g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-1.txt ************************************************************************ From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Fri Jan 12 17:41:57 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:41:57 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] server down In-Reply-To: <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: Hey! Now I know what I missed in my mailbox all this time. Happy New Millenium to everybody. K.-H. On 12-Dec-01 MVM wrote: > Any Nak news in a new millenium? > > Misha > >> The naks.com server will be going down today for some time. >> I guess this will be until the beginning of next year. >> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 12-Jan-01, 17:41:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jan 12 18:08:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:08:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. Still, I can't help but post another one. I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no way these ICs could be causing the problem. Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying to rip me off. So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, but also totally incompetent. I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, claiming that required parts were no longer available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch roller, serviced the mechanism and adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR back, working absolutely beautifully. After the trials and tribulations I had gone through with the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short of a miracle... I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor was still drawing excessive current and I intended to eventually replace it with a new one. I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking for complete alignment/calibration. While working on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs would have noticed this extra friction. When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better (seriously better) than it ever did before. By now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and wasn't even surprised... These were two difficult problems with two pieces of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service work on high end equipment. I want to publicly thank him for two jobs, superbly done. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 12 18:16:44 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:16:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! Message-ID: <3A5F3BFC.8B7674B4@xs4all.nl> Hi all! Happy + Nakky 2001 Everyone, if i may still say this... The server is UP again and I hope it will stay like this for some time now! Thanks to my friends at interspective.nl for supplying hosting bandwith to me and some of my collegues who were cut-off the network quite suddenly by our corporate IT department.... 'private' hosting wasn't allowed anymore... I still see some problems with the website but this should fixed automatically really soon. Hopefully this will be a great year for all of us! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 12 18:36:09 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:36:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FTP server Message-ID: <3A5F4089.99764D13@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Due to the 'friendly' hosting party and the amount of money they are going to charge me for using too much of their bandwith (yes it IS going to cost money now) I just shut down the FTP server. People started downloading stuff from it even before I send a mail to this list, they don't limit to the manual(s) they need but take everything! This isn't going to help me reducing the bandwith so I have to think of something.... Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 18:41:10 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:41:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] server down References: Message-ID: Happy new millennium !!! I am happy to see you all again ! > > Any Nak news in a new millennium? Yes ! Yesterday I was browsing the web with Nak-thirst and I found that Nakamichi Japan has re-issued their Nak Limited DRAGON CD Player & Dragon DAC !! available for 1 500 000 yens ... http://www.nakamichi.co.jp/audio/dragonltd2.htm One year ago I eared some rather reliable info from Nak distributors about the re-issue of the Nak cassette Dragon ... but as you can see, it is not about the same specie they where talking about . I am all the way pretty more than surprised by such a release from the Nakamichi of nowadays !!! It is amazing to see there is yet\again some extremists and legend bounded persons in the Japan Nak circle, after having touch the shitty Sound Space plastic junk in a fair...horrible !!! Matyas ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] server down > Hey! > > Now I know what I missed in my mailbox all this time. > Happy New Millenium to everybody. > > K.-H. > > On 12-Dec-01 MVM wrote: > > Any Nak news in a new millenium? > > > > Misha > > > >> The naks.com server will be going down today for some time. > >> I guess this will be until the beginning of next year. > >> > >> Sorry for the inconvenience. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann > Sent: 12-Jan-01, 17:41:09 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 12 20:05:41 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:05:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c07cca$a9013300$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I can second that and recommend anybody that needs professional service on a Nakamichi product to contact him. He does excellent work but doesn't charge an arm and leg for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. > Still, I can't help but post another one. > > I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the > Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 > years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to > 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba > Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 > bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for > labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no > way these ICs could be causing the problem. > Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those > Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying > to rip me off. > > So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they > damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying > cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, > but also totally incompetent. > > I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics > Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key > Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was > a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair > the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, > claiming that required parts were no longer > available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 > VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. > > Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether > he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he > does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the > service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. > > Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba > tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were > needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch > roller, serviced the mechanism and > adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR > back, working absolutely beautifully. After the > trials and tribulations I had gone through with > the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short > of a miracle... > > I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its > capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not > have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about > the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor > was still drawing excessive current and I intended > to eventually replace it with a new one. > > I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking > for complete alignment/calibration. While working > on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up > capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled > it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the > mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a > new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned > the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed > to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs > would have noticed this extra friction. > > When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better > (seriously better) than it ever did before. By > now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and > wasn't even surprised... > > These were two difficult problems with two pieces > of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. > Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I > can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service > work on high end equipment. I want to publicly > thank him for two jobs, superbly done. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Sat Jan 13 01:30:04 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:30:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> <001101c07cca$a9013300$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <001701c07cf7$f9d92da0$7393bccf@sank1> You guys are starting to make me blush. Thanks very much for the compliments. I must confess, though, that being a self-employed, single dad of an 11 year old daughter does leave me a few cards short of a full deck most of the time, so I do make mistakes now & then. I always do my utmost to fix these mistakes, though, of course. It's good to have the list up again. I was missing the daily banter. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > I can second that and recommend anybody that needs professional service on a > Nakamichi product to contact him. He does excellent work but doesn't charge > an arm and leg for it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > > > > > > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. > > Still, I can't help but post another one. > > > > I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the > > Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 > > years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to > > 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba > > Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 > > bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for > > labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no > > way these ICs could be causing the problem. > > Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those > > Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying > > to rip me off. > > > > So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they > > damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying > > cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, > > but also totally incompetent. > > > > I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics > > Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key > > Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was > > a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair > > the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, > > claiming that required parts were no longer > > available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 > > VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. > > > > Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether > > he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he > > does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the > > service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. > > > > Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba > > tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were > > needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch > > roller, serviced the mechanism and > > adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR > > back, working absolutely beautifully. After the > > trials and tribulations I had gone through with > > the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short > > of a miracle... > > > > I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its > > capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not > > have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about > > the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor > > was still drawing excessive current and I intended > > to eventually replace it with a new one. > > > > I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking > > for complete alignment/calibration. While working > > on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up > > capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled > > it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the > > mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a > > new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned > > the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed > > to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs > > would have noticed this extra friction. > > > > When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better > > (seriously better) than it ever did before. By > > now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and > > wasn't even surprised... > > > > These were two difficult problems with two pieces > > of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. > > Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I > > can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service > > work on high end equipment. I want to publicly > > thank him for two jobs, superbly done. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Jan 13 09:00:39 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:00:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! References: <3A5F3BFC.8B7674B4@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A600B27.649770F8@chello.at> Hurray; it´s fine to see you guys all back in the new millenium:-)) Thanks Wouter, now the evenings are not so boring any longer:-)) Wolfgang Wouter Heijke schrieb: > Hi all! > > Happy + Nakky 2001 Everyone, if i may still say this... > > The server is UP again and I hope it will stay like this for some time > now! > > Thanks to my friends at interspective.nl for supplying hosting bandwith > to me and some of my collegues who were cut-off the network quite > suddenly by our corporate IT department.... 'private' hosting wasn't > allowed anymore... > > I still see some problems with the website but this should fixed > automatically really soon. > > Hopefully this will be a great year for all of us! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:10:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:10:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen Message-ID: <94.eb243b7.2791e5fc@aol.com> Way to go Stephen! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:12:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:12:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] FTP server Message-ID: <3b.f05ccb4.2791e698@aol.com> Hi Wouter, I know that FTP is better suited for large file transfers over the 'Net, but what about posting all of your pdf files on a free website? [e.g. www.homestead.com, www.geocities.com, www.aol.com) Just a thought. How are you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 13 18:14:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:14:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Server UP! Message-ID: Kudos Wouter! It is good to see of all you also! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Sun Jan 14 19:12:00 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:12:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control Message-ID: hi, i have a zx-9 and would like to learn something about remote control capabilities. i understand aseperate box can be added. does anyone know where i could find one? ballpark cost range? does nakamichi sell them new? any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Jan 14 19:40:39 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:40:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control References: Message-ID: <001a01c07e59$7f2fc4c0$07021fac@brianm> Hi Rob, Try contacting Jeffrey Galin at ES Labs, he may have one. www.eslabs.com Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] zx-9 wireless remote control > hi, i have a zx-9 and would like to learn something about remote control > capabilities. i understand aseperate box can be added. does anyone know > where i could find one? ballpark cost range? does nakamichi sell them new? > any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Mon Jan 15 13:23:40 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:23:40 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] FTP server In-Reply-To: <3b.f05ccb4.2791e698@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, On 13-Jan-01 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > what about posting all of your pdf files on a free website? [e.g. > www.homestead.com, www.geocities.com, www.aol.com) Just a thought. Since Wouter said all remaining problems with website and ftp will be solved soon I don't see why. netscape/IE/XyzBrwoser all understand ftp://ftp.naks.com/... just like a web adress. Besides: The "usual" manual pdf file ist *much* larger then the space you get for free on geocities. So cheeers for Woutter and all his effort in keeping the naks.com domain a living thing and very good resource for nakamichi Tape decks. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html Sent: 15-Jan-01, 13:20:56 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Jan 17 04:26:10 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS Message-ID: I thought I was pretty upto date with brand name cassettes. Well, I just bought a couple of TDK SA-XS 90 tapes. I have a bunch of SA, SA-X, and have heard of SA-XG, but SA-XS is something new to me. Have any of you heard about this line? How is it different than SA-X. The price per C-90 was 12.90 PZL ($3.25). It says on the box: Super Precision, Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism, Heat Resistant. It has regular plastic cassette shell, with nice gold screws (unlike the last batch of TDK MA's I bought, which were screw-less) I still have to try it out on my deck to see how it performs. As an aside, was also surprised to see TDK AD-C90 tapes in the same store. I thought they were long gone. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 19 19:52:46 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:52:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FTP server References: Message-ID: Hi fellows, I want to offer you all the ability too make Acrobat PDF files. (PC version) I own an original copy with serial N°. of Acrobat 4, not hacked, just ISO conform copy. In fragmented WinRar compression. You will just have to download it from a E-mail address when the ftp server will be resolved. Illegal and disgusting isn't it ? Matyas P.S. Hi Karl! How are you ? Were you riding glorious repair to your Nak during new year holidays ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jan 19 21:55:55 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:55:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS References: Message-ID: Hi Stan, There in Switzerland the TDK SA-XS are yet available but rare. As long I remember I never see anyone of Naktalk mention them. I find them quite dirty, the coating used for their TRIPLE layer is not of the quality promised. The deck became quickly dirty and does no compares with SA-X in that term. About the sound, it's a slightly fuzzy, a little bit tarnish, in spite of a good treble response. You have understand I don't like them so much. Just buy one and we will know if you agree me. Your batch is certainly an other than mine, that haven't goldlike screws. Perhaps a default in the coating process... Matyas online shop for cassette: http://www.technikdirekt.de/from/germanstatic/default.asp?articleID=530295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] TDK Cassette tapes - SA-XS > I thought I was pretty upto date with brand name cassettes. Well, I just > bought a couple of TDK SA-XS 90 tapes. I have a bunch of SA, SA-X, and have > heard of SA-XG, but SA-XS is something new to me. > > Have any of you heard about this line? How is it different than SA-X. The > price per C-90 was 12.90 PZL ($3.25). > > It says on the box: Super Precision, Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism, Heat > Resistant. It has regular plastic cassette shell, with nice gold screws > (unlike the last batch of TDK MA's I bought, which were screw-less) > > I still have to try it out on my deck to see how it performs. > > As an aside, was also surprised to see TDK AD-C90 tapes in the same store. I > thought they were long gone. > > Stan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Jan 20 02:38:13 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Service Manual References: Message-ID: <002d01c08281$a84414c0$e205efd1@kevinrog> Hi All. I am looking for a copy of the schematic for the Mechanism control board for a Nak 480Z for a tech friend who is having a problem repairing one. Can anyone help? Kevin Rogers > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann > http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html > Sent: 15-Jan-01, 13:20:56 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jan 21 23:07:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:07:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors Message-ID: Hi, What did you audio freaks think about the sound quality of the tantalum capacitors sound for a replacement of electrolytic coupling cap ? I know the best ones are Polypropylene metallized film one, but for space limitations in a Nak tweaking, tantalum size and reliability seduced me, even if I never seen any praise nor warnings for it in audiophile statements, I was thinking just price stopped its use. So during these holidays I have replaced most of them in the line and PB Dolby stage in my Dragon. Never I have been so deceived by a mod. Integrally the timbres becomes oily ! You loss a lot of low and high frequency, all is slower and your are so upset that.... ... .. . On the other hand they are imperial if you by-pass (//) the DC filtering ones. Good tweaking, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jan 21 22:18:54 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:18:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Acrobat Message-ID: My offer is serious, but does the interested persons in Acrobat 4 will agree to download 81 Mo from 4 separates mail boxes ? -Are you ready ? I just wonder. Shouldn't be far more simple to continue to send images to the Naktalk members who have Adobe software's (PhotoShop) to optimise the quality, size or the angle of the scans before PDF conversion of their own ? I have found mail provider with 20 Mo of storage capacity. I think to upload 4 of WinRAR files on each boxes. Needed files are 18 in total. 17 of them weight 4.88 Mo I haven't begin to load yet. Any comment are welcome. If any Naktalker want me to make PDF files of their manuals, reviews, advertisement sheets, etc... contact me to define which resolution must have your scans and to know the address to send them. Thank you, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 18:50:48 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:50:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual In-Reply-To: <002d01c08281$a84414c0$e205efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a Dragon. I understand that there are some downloadable copies of this manual on the nak site somewhere. I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable to access these. I guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks for any advice. Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen Sank's place. It should be here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you guys write about him, I already know it will work better than new. Thanks again to Stephen for repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, and outstanding price. That kind of deal is hard to find these days... Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 22 19:20:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:20:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors References: Message-ID: <3A6C79F7.753C3E61@concentric.net> Tantalum capacitors are excellent for power supply and bypass applications, but extremely poor for audio. They cause extremely high distortion. When high capacitance in a small space is required *and* there is a DC voltage to block, low ESR elecrolytics are good. These are often designated 'for audio applications'. When there is no DC, non polarized elecrolytics may be used, or a pair of elecrolytics, connected back to back with a high value biasing resistor. -- Ron Matyas wrote: > > Hi, > > What did you audio freaks think about the sound quality of the tantalum > capacitors sound for a replacement of electrolytic coupling cap ? > > I know the best ones are Polypropylene metallized film one, but for space > limitations in a Nak tweaking, > tantalum size and reliability seduced me, even if I never seen any praise > nor > warnings for it in audiophile statements, I was thinking just price stopped > its use. > So during these holidays I have replaced most of them in the line and PB > Dolby stage in my Dragon. > > Never I have been so deceived by a mod. > > Integrally the timbres becomes oily ! > You loss a lot of low and high frequency, all is slower and your are so > upset that.... ... .. . > > On the other hand they are imperial if you by-pass (//) the DC filtering > ones. > > Good tweaking, > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 21:00:47 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Service Manual Message-ID: <20010122200047.2110.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin, I recently purchased a 480Z service manual off of eBay. I'd be happy to help you out with what ever you need from it. Send me an email directly p9019 at yahoo.com Scott Johnson --- Kevin Rogers wrote: > Hi All. I am looking for a copy of the schematic for > the Mechanism control > board for a Nak 480Z for a tech friend who is having > a problem repairing > one. Can anyone help? > > Kevin Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 20:58:57 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:58:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual Message-ID: <20010122195857.1000.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Alex, I have a Dragon Owner's manual that would be glad to photocopy and send you. Drop me a line. p9019 at yahoo.com Scott Johnson --- Alex Cagann wrote: > Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a > Dragon. I understand that > there are some downloadable copies of this manual on > the nak site somewhere. > I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable > to access these. I > guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks > for any advice. > > Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen > Sank's place. It should be > here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you > guys write about him, I > already know it will work better than new. Thanks > again to Stephen for > repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, > and outstanding price. > That kind of deal is hard to find these days... > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:12:42 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:12:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Owners Manual References: <20010122195857.1000.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A6CA24A.4D7542B5@xs4all.nl> Alex, You can download the PDF version here: http://www.naks.com/manual/Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > Alex, > I have a Dragon Owner's manual that would be glad to > photocopy and send you. Drop me a line. > p9019 at yahoo.com > > Scott Johnson > > --- Alex Cagann wrote: > > Hi all. I am looking for an owners manual for a > > Dragon. I understand that > > there are some downloadable copies of this manual on > > the nak site somewhere. > > I'm not very computer literate, and have been unable > > to access these. I > > guess they are FTP or something like that. Thanks > > for any advice. > > > > Also, awaiting the Dragon's return from Stephen > > Sank's place. It should be > > here today, and I can't wait. From reading what you > > guys write about him, I > > already know it will work better than new. Thanks > > again to Stephen for > > repairing it and for such a reasonable price. Hell, > > and outstanding price. > > That kind of deal is hard to find these days... > > > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:49:07 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:49:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: <3A6CAAD3.1DD17597@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still available! I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was able to do some scanning during the last weeks! So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:26:14 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:26:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] N600 owners manual Message-ID: <3A6CA576.54841E84@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Anyone has a PDF version of the Nakamichi 600 owners manual for a friend who just bought his first Nak...or is willing to scan this manual? Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 22:39:30 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:39:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: <3A6CA892.FBAF08DB@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still available! I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was able to do some scanning during the last weeks! So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download Wouter ./advertisements: 700zxl.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf pc_cat.pdf ./brochures: Dragon_folder.pdf Nak_musichall.pdf nakrx505g.pdf nakrx505h.pdf ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif Cover.tif Page FIVE.tif Page FOUR.tif Page One.tif Page SIX.tif Page THREE.tif Page TWO.tif ./manuals/owners/dutch: Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf N480.pdf Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf gear_update.pdf nr200-2.pdf ./manuals/owners/english: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf 680ZX_Owner.pdf 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf N480_OwnersManual.pdf N582_OwnersManual.pdf N582_Suplement.pdf Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf ./manuals/owners/international: HighComII.pdf NR200_OwnersManual.pdf NakN480_manual.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf Nak_bx100_manual.pdf Nak_bx125_manual.pdf RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./manuals/service/english: 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf CR4_Schematics.pdf CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf README.djvu RX505-Largepages.djvu RX505-service-part1.djvu RX505-service-part2.djvu RX505_manual_komplett.djvu ./reviews/dutch: 480_LuisterReview.pdf BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf ./reviews/english: 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf 582_Reviews.pdf CR3Review.pdf CR4Review.pdf LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf Revox B710.pdf Tanberg 3014a.pdf zx-7-asreview.pdf ./reviews/german: LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd really appreciate it, and would be willing to scan my Nak CM300 manual for anyone who would like it. thanks, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] N600 owners manual > > Hi All, > > Anyone has a PDF version of the Nakamichi 600 owners manual for a friend > who just bought his first Nak...or is willing to scan this manual? > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From staggsx at pacbell.net Tue Jan 23 02:28:13 2001 From: staggsx at pacbell.net (Bill Staggs) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:28:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available References: <3A6CA892.FBAF08DB@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A6CDE2D.804E837C@pacbell.net> thanks for the list. any chance of finding manual/etc. on my nak/ads portable? thanks bill staggs Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > The FTP server may be switched off but the manuals are still > available! > I also bought a fine Canon 1220 scanner just before Christmans so was > able to do some scanning during the last weeks! > So here is a overview of what's available, let me know if there's > anything you need and I can make it available for (http) download > > Wouter > > ./advertisements: > 700zxl.pdf > Nak_musichall.pdf > Nakamichi_TheSystem_Ad.pdf > pc_cat.pdf > > ./brochures: > Dragon_folder.pdf > Nak_musichall.pdf > nakrx505g.pdf > nakrx505h.pdf > > ./brochures/1000zxl_ltd: > 1000ZXL Limited Banner.tif > Cover.tif > Page FIVE.tif > Page FOUR.tif > Page One.tif > Page SIX.tif > Page THREE.tif > Page TWO.tif > > ./manuals/owners/dutch: > Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf > N480.pdf > Nak_bx100_man_dutch.pdf > Nak_cr1cr2_man_dutch.pdf > gear_update.pdf > nr200-2.pdf > > ./manuals/owners/english: > 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf > 580_OwnersManual.pdf > 582Z_OwnersManual.pdf > 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf > 680ZX_Owner.pdf > 682ZX_OwnersManual.pdf > CR4-CR3_OwnersManual.pdf > Highcom_OwnersManual.pdf > N480_OwnersManual.pdf > N582_OwnersManual.pdf > N582_Suplement.pdf > Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_CR1_2_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_CR7_5_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_DR1_2_3_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf > Nak_LX5_OwnersManual.pdf > TD1200_OwnersManual.pdf > TD1200_OwnersManual_Supplement.pdf > > ./manuals/owners/international: > HighComII.pdf > NR200_OwnersManual.pdf > NakN480_manual.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_2.pdf > Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_3.pdf > Nak_bx100_manual.pdf > Nak_bx125_manual.pdf > RX505_manual_komplett.djvu > > ./manuals/service/english: > 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf > 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf > 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf > 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf > 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf > CR4_Schematics.pdf > CR7_Amplifier_Section.pdf > N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > N582_10_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_1_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_2_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_3_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_4_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_5_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_6_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_7_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_8_ServiceManual.pdf > N582_9_ServiceManual.pdf > NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_500_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_BX1_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_1.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_2.pdf > Nak_DS100_DS200_ServiceManual_3.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_1.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_2.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_3.pdf > Nak_Dragon_Service_Manual_4.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_1_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_2_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_3_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_4_final.pdf > Nak_RX202_ServiceManual_5_final.pdf > README.djvu > RX505-Largepages.djvu > RX505-service-part1.djvu > RX505-service-part2.djvu > RX505_manual_komplett.djvu > > > ./reviews/dutch: > 480_LuisterReview.pdf > BX-1_HvtReview_3-1983.pdf > BX-2_HvtReview_4-1983.pdf > LX-3_LuisterReview.pdf > ZX-7_LuisterReview.pdf > > ./reviews/english: > 1000ZXL_Reviews.pdf > 582_Reviews.pdf > CR3Review.pdf > CR4Review.pdf > LX5_StereoReview_4-1982.pdf > Nakamichi cr-7a.pdf > RX202_HighFidelityReview_2-1984.pdf > Revox B710.pdf > Tanberg 3014a.pdf > zx-7-asreview.pdf > > ./reviews/german: > LX-5-3_AudioReview_8-1982.pdf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jan 23 05:05:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:05:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available Message-ID: This is cool! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Tue Jan 23 14:12:51 2001 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:12:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF files available boundary="------------7FADA925CC191F81E7E756BF" In-Reply-To: <3A6CAAD3.1DD17597@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200101231313.OAA13473@zebra.naks.com> Dear Wouter Yes,wonderful that´s still possible to have access to this service The manuals I need is: 1000ZXL_OwnersManual.pdf 580_OwnersManual.pdf Thank´s a lot for all your work Roy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 26 15:27:31 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:27:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] email Message-ID: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> Hi All, There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 weeks. I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 26 16:05:03 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:05:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> Thanks Wouter, You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected Thanks. Marc Hugo Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi All, > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > weeks. > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 26 16:22:13 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:22:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3A719625.1397D3CE@xs4all.nl> Yes, it was... I suddenly had to make a firewall since the server is now connected directly to the 'evil' internet... you don't want to know what happens to your server when it is out there on it own... Wouter Marc Hugo wrote: > Thanks Wouter, > > You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected > > Thanks. > > Marc Hugo > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > > weeks. > > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Fri Jan 26 17:41:09 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:41:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] gifts Message-ID: <200101261641.f0QGf7o73623@zeus.dnt.md> hi, guys, pretty dry times last weeks. to divert, try this link: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/oscarpeterson/gallery/gall56e.htm and take a look at old happy Oscar. best to all of you, marin ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jan 26 18:04:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] email References: <3A718953.BAED3F70@xs4all.nl> <3A71921F.D9DCB21F@sunint.co.za> <3A719625.1397D3CE@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A71AE00.957B4FC4@concentric.net> As a general comment to all NakTalkers... Zone Alarm is an excellent personal firewall, free to download. Unlike some other rule-driven firewalls, this one is easy to use and affords excellent protection, especially considering the price :-). Every computer user that frequents the internet should have one installed. To download, go to: http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/partners/zonealarm/download.html BTW, an excellent source of information concerning the perils of connecting to the internet is Steve Gibson's 'Shields Up!' site. It offers security tests that you can run before and after installing Zone Alarm that will demonstrate its effectiveness. The site is located at: https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Yes, it was... > > I suddenly had to make a firewall since the server is now connected directly > to the 'evil' internet... you don't want to know what happens to your server > when it is out there on it own... > > Wouter > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Thanks Wouter, > > > > You bet!!!! Great to have it back. The cold turkey was tougher than expected > > > > Thanks. > > > > Marc Hugo > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > There have been some problems with receiving and sending mail the past 2 > > > weeks. > > > I hope all the problems have been fixed and we can enjoy naktalk again! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jan 26 18:37:25 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:37:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] gifts References: <200101261641.f0QGf7o73623@zeus.dnt.md> Message-ID: <005f01c087be$a63570b0$a7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Wow, what a machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] gifts > hi, guys, > pretty dry times last weeks. > to divert, try this link: > > http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/oscarpeterson/gallery/gall56e.htm > > and take a look at old happy Oscar. > > best to all of you, > > marin > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 23:33:26 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:33:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660zx opinion and ftp file access Message-ID: <000801c087e8$02dd64c0$db299bca@aisha> This is the fourth message on same subject hopefully this time it get through ... --- Hi all, I posted this a while ago however I don't see it on the digest ... does anybody know if a 'monitor' switch can be easily added to 660zx's circuitry ? Also, how does 660 compared to the 68x series ? Is it in the same 'league' ? Hello Wouter, how do I read or download 480_LuisterReview.pdf ? If you don't mind, I'd also like to download Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf, Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf and 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf. Thanks much in advance. Salim Marzuki ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: Nak 660zx opinion > > Hi all, > > Cheers and hartelijk bedankt to Wouter for keeping us alive ! Evenings were > indeed boring without 'the daily digest'. Being a digest reader I have no > idea what went wrong with the list and website. Oh no, a short-lived zen, I > thought. Very heartening to see y'all back online ! > > After tempting myself watching ebay Naks (very few willing to ship abroad), > I came across a 660zx locally and almost bought it for cheap when I noticed > there was no monitor switch. How come ? Could that be easly added to the > deck ? I still don't understand the point of having those 3 heads (481 etc) > with no monitoring provision. > > Anybody can share how the 660 compared sonically to 68x series ? Also info > on adding monitor switch will be much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > PS - I managed to get my friend bought a 480 instead of a BX 2 or 150 ... > and honestly I'm also surprised that the difference can still be heard ! 2 > head deck with double capstan and pad lifter ... truly one of a kind. :-) > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jan 27 00:39:05 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:39:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 660zx opinion and ftp file access References: <000801c087e8$02dd64c0$db299bca@aisha> Message-ID: <3A720A99.C24E3995@concentric.net> Salim, In general, there are three attributes required for monitoring: a separate PB head, a separate PB amplifier and a switch (often, with an indicator light). I believe the main difference between the 660ZX and 670ZX is that the former, even though it does have a separate PB head, does not have a separate PB amp. Adding monitoring capability would require the addition of the missing circuitry, plus the switch. While this is not impossible to accomplish, if would require a high level of expertise. Plus, the results may be less than 670 performance. Also, the cost will be easily far higher than the difference between the two models and, at best, you'll end up with a kludge. If monitoring is important to a 660 owner, I would consider replacing it with a 670 or 680. Going by original list price, I would say the 680 was a better machine, but still, in the same 'league'. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > This is the fourth message on same subject > > hopefully this time it get through ... > --- > > Hi all, > > I posted this a while ago however I don't see it on the digest ... does > anybody know if a 'monitor' switch can be easily added to 660zx's circuitry > ? Also, how does 660 compared to the 68x series ? Is it in the same > 'league' ? > > Hello Wouter, how do I read or download 480_LuisterReview.pdf ? If you > don't mind, I'd also like to download Nak_BX300_OwnersManual.pdf, > Nak_Dragon_OwnersManual.pdf and 670ZX_OwnersManual.pdf. > > Thanks much in advance. > Salim Marzuki > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 4:25 AM > Subject: Nak 660zx opinion > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Cheers and hartelijk bedankt to Wouter for keeping us alive ! Evenings > were > > indeed boring without 'the daily digest'. Being a digest reader I have no > > idea what went wrong with the list and website. Oh no, a short-lived zen, > I > > thought. Very heartening to see y'all back online ! > > > > After tempting myself watching ebay Naks (very few willing to ship > abroad), > > I came across a 660zx locally and almost bought it for cheap when I > noticed > > there was no monitor switch. How come ? Could that be easly added to the > > deck ? I still don't understand the point of having those 3 heads (481 > etc) > > with no monitoring provision. > > > > Anybody can share how the 660 compared sonically to 68x series ? Also > info > > on adding monitor switch will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > PS - I managed to get my friend bought a 480 instead of a BX 2 or 150 ... > > and honestly I'm also surprised that the difference can still be heard ! > 2 > > head deck with double capstan and pad lifter ... truly one of a kind. :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jan 27 18:22:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:22:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] email Message-ID: <64.ab1add1.27a45df2@aol.com> Great, thanks Wouter! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 25 14:21:08 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:21:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews Message-ID: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> Dear Wouter, I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would like to read the LX5 review. I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za Many thanks and kind regards, MARC HUGO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jan 29 11:55:34 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:55:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Marc, You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, what's is advanages of each? Thanks! Misha > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > like to read the LX5 review. > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > MARC HUGO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 29 12:05:48 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:05:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A754E8C.505075FD@xs4all.nl> Hi, The FTP server is down. Sorry, I'll make the files available in another form sometime this week. Wouter MVM wrote: > Hi Marc, > > You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com > Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. > > And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about > CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, > what's is advanages of each? > > Thanks! > Misha > > > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > > like to read the LX5 review. > > > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > > > MARC HUGO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 30 08:55:51 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:55:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance reviews References: <3A702843.3D213C7@sunint.co.za> <002501c089e2$03e7a1e0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A767387.D97C6E12@sunint.co.za> Hi Misha, You guys must be freezing there at this time of year!!! Sorry about the way I worded my note to Wouter...It was a bit misleading. When I said I have the CR4, CR7, Revox etc; I meant I have the reviews....from his FTP site. However, I actually do have a CR4E which I got new in 1992 from Hyperfi in London for UK Sterling 379.00. I have a friend in Pietermaritzburg with a CR7 (very low mileage machine from an old chap who just had to have the best and then hardly ever used it) The CR4E has given me immaculate service since purchasing it. I remember the assistant referring to it as a real Nakamichi. The other one's they had in stock were the Cassette Deck 1, 1.5 and 2. I'm not sure what he meant then. It may have had to do with the country of manufacture or perhaps the looks. The CR range except for CR5 and 7 have functional, square, boxy looks that, compared with the, then new Cassette Deck series, were sort of retro. I personally think those in the trade maybe expected Nakamichi to have 'functional looks' and were quite purturbed by the sleek Cassette Deck One. I know that the Music Bank looks were not to everyone's taste. I have since got a Cassette Deck One, second hand. I never thought about getting one (not one of my automatic favourites)but the opportunity came up and the price was right. Is seems to be showing the sort of problems that Stephen Sank warned about - the constantly running motor (which just happens to be a cruddy one to boot, apparently a Matsushita) runs all the time while the unit is powered up; so it needs work. But I had heard a '1.5' at a shop before - which was very impressive, pure, sweet and clean. So, I know what to expect from mine. Back to the CR4: it's a fully manual unit, 3 motors, three discrete heads. Heavy and well built. With it's own recordings, it has that fantasic Nakamichi stability, with a rich, powerful tonality. Theres a tight, 'togetherness' to the sound. It's difficult to describe. Maybe thats what people call the traditional Nak warmth. Compared with a CR7 (Neil Painter's unit in PMG) it really doesn't give away much. The CR4 control layout is logical and easy to use. Calibration is quick and accurate as usual. I only good tapes on any of my machines and am very gentle and careful with it. It is calibrated for TDK AD, TDK SA-X and TDK MA. Occasionally, I have used TDK AR when I can get them - huge bass!!). I do use Maxell high positions from time to time, with good results. As I said, the CR4 doesn't give away much to the CR7 but I'll say this much: Playback azimuth correction is an immensly powerful device, with profound implications for the CR7 owner. He has an old Yamaha KX800 whose recordings sound a lot better on the Nak than the Nak's recordings do on the Yamaha. Fine tuning azimuth allows you to get the same accuracy that would have been possible on the machine it was recorded on. If it was a hot deck, great, if it was a Nakamichi, better still because they have such wide, flat frequency responses. This guy uses the Nak CR7 to master tapes onto CD and to record vinyl onto tapes for critical listening. He uses mainly TDK MA. I believe my CR4 is very close to his CR7 when playing back tapes that were recorded on it. But, unfortunately, the CR7 has more than an edge with it's playback ability. The trebles are dazzling...very extended and clean (no splashiness) and the imaging is spot on - it never wanders once the azimuth locks on. I would say (this is subjective- I have no instruments to measure with, just my ears on monitoring the PB against the recording) that the CR7 has quieter electronics. The CR7 is real brute of a machine - it really leaves nothing to be desired. I have both a Sony Minidisc MDSJ930 and a Phillips DCC600 both for interest sake. Comparing with them, well minidisc is as cute as a button. I use my Dell keybopard to key in the titles which is easy and fun. But, like any digital playback set up, it's only real claim to fame in quiet back grounds. It can't seriously hold its own against non-compressed formats of any sort. Sony never intended (back in 1992 or so) for it to be anything but a replacement for cassette personals and the motorcar cassette system - where vibration and/or battery consumption were concerns. It snaps off anything above 18000hz altogether. And I guarantee you can hear above that. It's bass is clean enough but not nearly as low or extended as even a two head Nakamichi. Dynamic range is 70dB, which just shows the market for which the format was originally conceived. DCC is better than minidisc by a fair margin but still not as good either as my CR4 or Neil Painters CR7. The problem with these compressed formats is really an inescapable achilles heel of reduction formats in general. Quality is compromised when you throw bits in the bin, so to speak. However clever the pseudoacoustic principles profess to be, a critical ear such as yours, Misha, is not very easy to fool. PASC is better than ATRAC because fewer bits are disposed of, although both are pretty ingeneous concepts. The new ATRAC (5.1) is not better to my mind than the old (4.5). I think they just needed something to revive their marketing campaign. I heard both and there's nothing in it. Also, in both formats(DCC and Minidisc), whenever the mix thickens, the full orchestra gets going or whatever, the detail 'vagues out', the resolution softens. Misha, unfortunately, I don't own a Tandberg or a Revox. Carlos Guzman also receives Naktalk and is something of a Nak collector. I recall, either in our group discussions or on the message board he mentioned the robust build of, I think a ReVox 215. Certainly, he will be able to give you first hand opinions on comparative experiences with the above machines. It seems he is in the recording industry. Carlos...you out there?? Best wishes to you all. MARC MVM wrote: > Hi Marc, > > You can simply download those files from ftp.naks.com > Simply and easy - I never have any problem with downloading. > > And I have a question for you - what's your personal opinion about > CR-4, CR-7, Revox b710 and Tandberg 3014? Which is the best, > what's is advanages of each? > > Thanks! > Misha > > > I don't want to burden you unnecessarily....however, I really would like > > to get some of the reviews listed. I have the CR4, CR7, ReVox 710 and > > Tandberg 3014. Would you be able to send the 1000ZXL, 582, CR3, LX5, RX > > 202 and ZX7. If you can't manage that sort of volume, I really would > > like to read the LX5 review. > > > > I am at mhugo at sunint.co.za > > > > Many thanks and kind regards, > > > > MARC HUGO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The other problem is the autoreverse on the tape deck which won't play in one direction or fast forward in that direction. Apart from these problems, everything else is working great. If any one can help or put me in touch with someone that can (I'm in JHB in South Africa), it would be much appreciated. This being my first intro to Nakamichi, I'm now on the look out for a decent deck for the house. Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Wed Jan 31 17:02:31 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:02:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Cassette Repairs in South Africa References: Message-ID: <031701c08b9f$380fe2c0$7393bccf@sank1> It has been a while since I last worked on a TD-1200, but going by memory, I'd say the likeliest cause of the whining noise is a burnt or broken ground circuit foil trace on the main unit's main board(which could be anywhere on the board). This is supported by the grounding of the tuner/Dolby box reducing the noise. As for the no motion in one direction problem, I'd guess that there is some problem with the motion of the drive gear arm that swings from one reel table to the other. Reel drive failure is the only explanation I can think of for both play & fast wind to be effected. No exact cause comes to mind at the moment. If you need it, I can dig up my service manual for it & scan & email the needed pages. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Cassette Repairs in South Africa > Just had the good fortune of getting my hands on an old discarded Nakamichi > TD-1200 Car Cassette/Tuner. > > The overall condition is good and it came with it's amp and a set of > instruction manuals. > > I have just two problems with it that maybe someone can help me with. > The tuner section has a bit of feedback coming from somewhere which is > decreased when the additional box of electrics is grounded. (it tells you > not to do this in the instruction manual). The tone varies when the tuner > search button is pressed or any of the preselect buttons are pressed. > The other problem is the autoreverse on the tape deck which won't play in > one direction or fast forward in that direction. > Apart from these problems, everything else is working great. > > If any one can help or put me in touch with someone that can (I'm in JHB in > South Africa), it would be much appreciated. > > This being my first intro to Nakamichi, I'm now on the look out for a > decent deck for the house. > > Anthony > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-10.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 1 01:03:39 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:03:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Graham, I've read what Maytas wrote - absolutely correct! I too own a ZX-9 and face the same dilemmas that you are suffering. I don't worry too much about the constant adjusting when recording because I know that the ZX-9 will make killer recordings, and in the end that's what I aim for. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2001 8:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Guys Some advice is sought: I find that I must adjust each side of a cassette (in most cases TDK SA) differently to get the red light, altho' all the other settings are fine once they are set for Side A. This seems consistent between at least three different types of tape - TDK SA, BASF Chrome Super II and Sony (I forget which but it's a Chrome type with a very low profile shell.) This seems odd or is it strange just because this is unfamiliar to me?) Graham PS To amuse you ... I've just set up my second hi fi system around the Eico ST70 amp. This includes a Nak BX-1. Upon pressing play on the cassette deck I found there was a nasty low level hum coming from the Right channel. I checked the cables. Nothing. Still humming. I changed the cable. Still humming. I swapped the device. No hum. Uh oh! I thought. It's the Nak that's got a problem ... However, some of you may recall that my BX-1 came from one of our most our generous brothers, Stephen. and is a 110VA model. In the UK we have 240VA. So, I am using an outboard transformer .... You guessed it? I just moved the transformer 2" and the hum stopped!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 04:59:02 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: Message-ID: <3BB7DBF6.9665BC8F@yahoo.com> My fellow Nakholes Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of those gadgets. Help! Javier PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Oct 1 05:11:18 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 23:11:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Javier, I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that stuff. If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as good. - Joe On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez writes: > > My fellow Nakholes > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > into > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > see > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > those gadgets. Help! > Javier > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 06:24:52 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 00:24:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB7F014.735E7B1@yahoo.com> Thanks alot Joe I saw an Apex for 99 bucks I hope it's the one your talking about. See Ya Javier josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Mon Oct 1 06:58:31 2001 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:58:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] High quality cables Message-ID: <200110010457.f914vBZ43865@opium.cwnet.com> A while back I spent a pretty serious chunk of change on higher end speaker cables, interconnects & power cords. The interconnects are Harmonic Technologies Pro-Silway II's. The spkr. cables are Analyisis Plus Oval 9's. The power cords are Harmonic Technologies (on amp & pre-amp). I was apprehensive, as I never considered spending this kind of money on cables (though I did get a very good buy on them). And now NO ONE can tell me that quality connects don't make a difference!! I changed everything over at once... so don't know which pcs. made the largest improvement, but the system improved dramatically. Happy listening! p.s. Old interconnects were entry level Monster & fat copper Monster on spkrs. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 1 07:46:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:16:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! Message-ID: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have number of Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or potential customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to source a second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is for only modifying an existing moscode? Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based on sound design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities - Stephen what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how much you >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. And, yes, I >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having tube following >it. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 1 08:43:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <094501c14a44$5f71a740$493442cf@sank1> The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have one to modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one would subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way spectacular. About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but with more 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube stages, so most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because the fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to be high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot after playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have number of > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or potential > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to source a > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is for only > modifying an existing moscode? > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based on sound > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities - > Stephen > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how much you > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. And, yes, > I > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having tube following > >it. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Mon Oct 1 10:03:25 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:03:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman References: <000001c1493d$b686ba00$38b4193e@a4s1s2> <001401c149ac$c51254c0$f58955c3@amd> Message-ID: <003b01c14a4f$ac7e1360$3036fb3e@soulantikas> Yes. I phoned Transtec in Rotterdam today, Ton (or Tom?) van der Hoff still works there and he is really very good. Only he gets a bit annoyed when one says that a certain cassette deck sounds better, or warmer or .... than another. He finds these statements nonsensical. His point of view is that the sole function of a cassette deck is to reproduce exactly the quality of the original source. Thus if a deck adds acoustic qualities to the recording, or to the play-back, which were not present in the source sound, then there is something wrong with the deck. Any way he has done an excellent job with my 582, CR-4. BX 300, and BX-2. To contact Transtec: Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam Netherlands Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl Website: www.transtec.nl Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman > Hello Graham, > > No not really, is he working for Transtec ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 1:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] For Norman > > > > Norman > > > > Have you heard of Tom van der Hoff, allegedly a Nak engineer in Holland? > > > > Graham > > > > - > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 1 10:51:32 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 04:51:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB71F42.E169546D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006201c14a56$44f786c0$73ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > Warren wrote: > > > > My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the > > best fiction ever written. > > > > But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well > > but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase > > in sound quality. > > I always thought this was another hoax. Have you > actually tried it? I would be leery of degaussing > a phono cartridge. It contains a magnet and > 'degaussing' is the same as 'demagnetizing'. > Staying away from the cables Yes, using something like the asthetix demagnitizer works.But only on *moving coil* cartridges it takes out residual magnetism in the coils similar to degausing a tapehead. You can test this one too, with a good tape deck, tape the cart before you degauss and then after. In theory you could do the same to a moving magnet cart if you remove the stylus (and hence the magnet) first Don't think I'd try it though. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Hence my sceptisism in the guy who says he can't tell the difference between his $250 yamaha cd player and the $4000 krell. hang i made the decision on which cd player to buy based on differences in sound and so does everyone else. what people are really saying is that some of these tweeks , components are over priced.....but that is a different story. its like fine wine my other passion, people always tell me that i am crazy to drink this fancy french stuff at $$$ and that a $6 bottle is just as good but when i give them a sip of what i'm having they soon change their tune. that doesn't mean they are going to be buying lafite as their daily drinking wine any time soon. sometimes people who spend the fortune on wine and hi-fi are foolish but if you are wealthy enough and it gives you pleasure then go ahead. cheers, skol, prost neal -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 30 September 2001 23:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Stephen said: "Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to it. I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel." Whilst I am sure there will be the snake oil salesmen selling ordinary bits of cable for mega bucks, I am equally sure that some interconnects do offer different sonic - and audible - differences. Indeed, some please my ear better than others. Sure, I accept that listening tests that are not blind can induce a listener to hear what is not there. However, I am sure we have all experienced at some point dissatisfaction with a piece of kit or the sound that one gets from a it after months of listening only to change something quite small - like a cable - and then found that what was previously unpleasant has become delightful. Equally, the reverse may be true! We change something and, after prolonged listening, we know the sound does not satisfy us as it once did. For example, listening to my Sony tuner using RadioShack patch chords (the black ones with gold plated plugs) was pleasant enough but, after a year or so listening with them, I found it lacked .... something! It was as if there was a thin veil laid over the speakers. I swapped the cable for DNM Reson and listened .... Over the next few days, radio became a pleasure because the veil was gone. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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S) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:22:14 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: <006801c14a6f$8433d820$42d60192@vsnl> Ron IM distortion is one of very important factor for quality of an amplifier sound much more than noise or harmonic distortion and I am drawn in to this discussion. I also thank Ron for 100% of the replies with patience to whatever had been directed at him. And no doubt Ron is also responsible for such a decent discussion in our forum. For Graham and others who find this IM distortion going above their head - Intermodulation distortion is the distortion of one frequency by another frequency when ( which is not a fundamental -i.e. you cannot divide one frquency by whole number) both are amplified together. The test is to mix two sine wave frequencies and pass the mixed frequencies through the amplifier and measuring the distortion. Nak cassette decks possess one of the wonderful results for IM distortion test figures at 0dB level I felt somehow IM distortion can take place if power supply is not stiff as Low frequency demand on power can cause sagging line voltage and in turn would cause modulation of amplitude of all the frequencies. And how nonlinearity of active components can allow one frequency to modulate another frequency - somehow I am not able to understand. Nonlinearity ( of active compnenets) would affect frequencies directly without the presence of another frequency? - when amplification is beyond normal linear portion of curves. Here a property that would place a connection between two frquencies is a must to cause IM diostortion. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of >> power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or lower >> range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full >> range. > >Not so. IM distortion is caused by nonlinear >transfer function of active devices. Linearity of >the high current portion of the device characteristic >could be worse than at lower current, but not >necessarily -- in many cases, it's actually better. >This depends on the devices chosen and the design itself. > >In any case, linearity of the very low current portion >is far worse than the high current portion (which is >why class AB amps inherently have lower distortion that >class B amps) -- just look at a transistor curve. I'd >say that on the average, IM distortion of unloaded amps >is more or less the same as the loaded value. > >All this applies to the output stage only. IM >distortion in the rest of the amp is not affected >by loading at all. > >The problem with false bi-amping is that all IM >distortion products of the treble amp fall inside >the passband of the following passive xover, >resulting in their audibility. Thus, false bi-amping >may, at best, reduce them slightly, but true bi-amping >all but eliminates them. > > >Our opposing views are respectively shared by two armies, >at bitter verbal war with each other. It's good to be able >to converse in this civilized environment, where each can >express opinions without the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks >encountered so often on the NGs and chat rooms. I can >disagree with your views but still respect you and I hope >you feel the same. > >Regards, > >-- Ron > > >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> >> > Stephen Sank wrote: >> > > >> > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp >> for >> > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp >> is >> > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is >> available >> > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power >> supply >> > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no >> power >> > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will >> > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. >> > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. >> > >> > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are >> > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps >> > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant >> > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, >> > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, >> > regardless of power delivered. >> > >> > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source >> > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum >> > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's >> > ignore output current capability issues for this >> > discussion). >> > >> > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven >> > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at >> > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether >> > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or >> > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a >> > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is >> > delivering zero power. >> > >> > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the >> > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, >> > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits >> > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power >> > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly >> > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements >> > are all but nil. >> > >> > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will >> > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). >> > >> > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more >> expensive >> > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time >> where >> > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything >> with >> > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. >> > >> > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable >> > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound >> > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the >> > generic cable? >> > >> > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end >> > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging >> > and cost)? >> > >> > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some >> > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could >> > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a >> > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing >> > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the >> > time. >> > >> > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a >> > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable >> > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could >> > make statistically valid guesses. >> > >> > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer >> > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling >> > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I >> > still think that's an excellent idea. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > http://stephensank.com >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Ron" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> > > >> > > > Stephen Sank wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > [...] >> > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every >> bit >> > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. >> > > > >> > > > Well, here we go again... >> > > > >> > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have >> > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false >> > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' >> > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers >> > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! >> > > > >> > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. >> > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to >> > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't >> > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking >> > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the >> > > > explanation... >> > > > >> > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the >> > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is >> > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know >> > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is >> > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off >> > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test >> > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit >> > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... >> > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite >> > > > difficult). >> > > > >> > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such >> > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is >> > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed >> > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit >> > > > while lacking the necessary tools. >> > > > >> > > > The good news is that using a single high power, >> > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the >> > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of >> > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very >> > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate >> > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover >> > > > resistance. >> > > > >> > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest >> > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided >> > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do >> > > > any harm, either. >> > > > >> > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good >> > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of >> > > adequate >> > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. >> > > > >> > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because >> > > > different cables can have different electrical >> > > > characteristics. >> > > > >> > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any >> > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical >> > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only >> > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely >> > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of >> > > > course). >> > > > >> > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be >> > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they >> > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), >> > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite >> > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be >> > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. >> > > > >> > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The >> > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) >> > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he >> > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) >> > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* >> > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh >> > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker >> > > > cables. >> > > > >> > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your >> > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated >> > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will >> > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables >> > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and >> > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same >> > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W >> > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically >> > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. >> > > > >> > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know >> > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would >> > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable >> > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both >> > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* >> > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted >> > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost >> > > > always favouring the more expensive component). >> > > > >> > > > Good luck, >> > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > > > http://stephensank.com >> > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > From: >> > > > > To: >> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM >> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >> > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net >> > > > > > writes: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring >> or >> > > > > passive >> > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available >> speakers >> > > are >> > > > > set >> > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, >> detachable >> > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method >> of >> > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in >> terms >> > > of >> > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller >> > > power >> > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? >> For >> > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, >> and >> > > there >> > > > > are >> > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. >> Seems >> > > like >> > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One >> expert >> > > was >> > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth >> the >> > > extra >> > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all >> think? >> > > > > Would >> > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, >> higher >> > > > > current >> > > > > > power amp? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance >> for >> > > your >> > > > > > help-- >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Oct 1 14:49:39 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:49:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <014301c14a3c$5ab83780$42d60192@vsnl> <094501c14a44$5f71a740$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB86662.DACCA03A@snet.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > Because the > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to be > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot after > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! I think I'd better crank mine up a little more! Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Oct 1 17:42:53 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:42:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> joe, care to elucidate as to the region change and macrovision disable, as I am looking for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure she won't be getting my Arcam. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 16:37:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:37:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <3BB7DBF6.9665BC8F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB87F96.E9F215A7@concentric.net> I never buy the bottom end of anything and certainly wouldn't recommend $99 DVD players. These usually come from fringe manufacturers (Oritron, Apex, etc.). Likewise, I would stay away from Sony and Toshiba (good performance, but reliability sucks. Customer support is even worse). Beware the 90 day warranty -- 1 year parts and labour should be your minimum. OTOH, spending $300 plus for a player that will connect to a small screen mono TV is a waste of money. While players do not image and sound the same, you will not be able to appreciate $1000 player over a $100 unless it's connected in a system of corresponding quality. Consider the lowest cost Pioneer player, at about $180 mail order. It's probably an overkill for someone that doesn't care about picture and audio quality, but is reasonably reliable and will serve well in the event you eventually obtain a better TV and/or an HT sound system. Good luck, -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > My fellow Nakholes > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > those gadgets. Help! > Javier > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 16:45:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:45:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB71F42.E169546D@concentric.net> <006201c14a56$44f786c0$73ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BB88181.53CDFB83@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the > > > best fiction ever written. > > > > > > But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well > > > but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase > > > in sound quality. > > > > I always thought this was another hoax. Have you > > actually tried it? I would be leery of degaussing > > a phono cartridge. It contains a magnet and > > 'degaussing' is the same as 'demagnetizing'. > > > > Staying away from the cables Yes, using something like the > asthetix demagnitizer works.But only on *moving coil* cartridges > it takes out residual magnetism in the coils similar to > degausing a tapehead. > You can test this one too, with a good tape deck, tape the > cart before you degauss and then after. > In theory you could do the same to a moving magnet cart > if you remove the stylus (and hence the magnet) first > Don't think I'd try it though. > Warren Careful, Warren... In my Shure V-15, the magnet is located in the cartridge body, not the stylus. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 17:21:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:21:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <006801c14a6f$8433d820$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BB889F1.3F8B83AD@concentric.net> Kannan, Just to clarify: IM distortion is one form of 'non-linear distortion'. It's caused by non-linearity of components (for example, when the gain of a transistor is higher at one level of the waveform than at another level). The distortion products of IM are the sum and difference of the frequencies. If you input pure 7KHz and 40Hz, the output will contain some amounts of 7.04KHz, 7.08KHz and so forth, as well as some 6.96KHz, 6.92KHz etc., that didn't exist in the original sound. IM is so significant because the distortion products are not harmonically related to the original. Their psychoacoustic effect is to make the sound strident, 'grainy' and dissonant (in general, quite irritating), even for fairly small amounts of IMD. (In contrast, Harmonic Distortion produces harmonically related products. Many people enjoy moderate amounts of even harmonics -- they impart to the sound a richer, 'warmer' character. While by no means 'accurate', amps that produce small amounts of even harmonics are in demand by some audiophiles.) Most passive components are fairly linear and do not give rise to appreciable IMD. Active devices, however, are not very linear and the same can be said for tape heads, phono cartridges and speakers. In all these, designing the device to operate in its most linear range is the key to higher quality reproduction. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Ron > IM distortion is one of very important factor for quality of an amplifier > sound much more than noise or harmonic distortion and I am drawn in to this > discussion. I also thank Ron for 100% of the replies with patience to > whatever had been directed at him. And no doubt Ron is also responsible for > such a decent discussion in our forum. > > For Graham and others who find this IM distortion going above their head - > Intermodulation distortion is the distortion of one frequency by another > frequency when ( which is not a fundamental -i.e. you cannot divide one > frquency by whole number) both are amplified together. The test is to mix > two sine wave frequencies and pass the mixed frequencies through the > amplifier and measuring the distortion. Nak cassette decks possess one of > the wonderful results for IM distortion test figures at 0dB level > > I felt somehow IM distortion can take place if power supply is not stiff as > Low frequency demand on power can cause sagging line voltage and in turn > would cause modulation of amplitude of all the frequencies. > And how nonlinearity of active components can allow one frequency to > modulate another frequency - somehow I am not able to understand. > > Nonlinearity ( of active compnenets) would affect frequencies directly > without the presence of another frequency? - when amplification is beyond > normal linear portion of curves. Here a property that would place a > connection between two frquencies is a must to cause IM diostortion. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > >> The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of > >> power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or > lower > >> range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full > >> range. > > > >Not so. IM distortion is caused by nonlinear > >transfer function of active devices. Linearity of > >the high current portion of the device characteristic > >could be worse than at lower current, but not > >necessarily -- in many cases, it's actually better. > >This depends on the devices chosen and the design itself. > > > >In any case, linearity of the very low current portion > >is far worse than the high current portion (which is > >why class AB amps inherently have lower distortion that > >class B amps) -- just look at a transistor curve. I'd > >say that on the average, IM distortion of unloaded amps > >is more or less the same as the loaded value. > > > >All this applies to the output stage only. IM > >distortion in the rest of the amp is not affected > >by loading at all. > > > >The problem with false bi-amping is that all IM > >distortion products of the treble amp fall inside > >the passband of the following passive xover, > >resulting in their audibility. Thus, false bi-amping > >may, at best, reduce them slightly, but true bi-amping > >all but eliminates them. > > > > > >Our opposing views are respectively shared by two armies, > >at bitter verbal war with each other. It's good to be able > >to converse in this civilized environment, where each can > >express opinions without the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks > >encountered so often on the NGs and chat rooms. I can > >disagree with your views but still respect you and I hope > >you feel the same. > > > >Regards, > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> http://stephensank.com > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ron" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > >> > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > > >> > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end > amp > >> for > >> > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass > amp > >> is > >> > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is > >> available > >> > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power > >> supply > >> > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have > no > >> power > >> > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps > will > >> > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. > >> > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. > >> > > >> > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are > >> > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps > >> > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant > >> > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, > >> > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, > >> > regardless of power delivered. > >> > > >> > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source > >> > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum > >> > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's > >> > ignore output current capability issues for this > >> > discussion). > >> > > >> > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven > >> > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at > >> > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether > >> > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or > >> > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a > >> > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is > >> > delivering zero power. > >> > > >> > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the > >> > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, > >> > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits > >> > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power > >> > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly > >> > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements > >> > are all but nil. > >> > > >> > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will > >> > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). > >> > > >> > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more > >> expensive > >> > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time > >> where > >> > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything > >> with > >> > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. > >> > > >> > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable > >> > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound > >> > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the > >> > generic cable? > >> > > >> > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end > >> > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging > >> > and cost)? > >> > > >> > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some > >> > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could > >> > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a > >> > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing > >> > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the > >> > time. > >> > > >> > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a > >> > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable > >> > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could > >> > make statistically valid guesses. > >> > > >> > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer > >> > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling > >> > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I > >> > still think that's an excellent idea. > >> > > >> > -- Ron > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Ron" > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [...] > >> > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping > every > >> bit > >> > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active > biamping. > >> > > > > >> > > > Well, here we go again... > >> > > > > >> > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > >> > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > >> > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > >> > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > >> > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > >> > > > > >> > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > >> > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > >> > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > >> > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > >> > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > >> > > > explanation... > >> > > > > >> > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > >> > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > >> > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > >> > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > >> > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > >> > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > >> > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > >> > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > >> > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > >> > > > difficult). > >> > > > > >> > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > >> > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > >> > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > >> > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > >> > > > while lacking the necessary tools. > >> > > > > >> > > > The good news is that using a single high power, > >> > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > >> > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > >> > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > >> > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > >> > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > >> > > > resistance. > >> > > > > >> > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > >> > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > >> > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > >> > > > any harm, either. > >> > > > > >> > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > >> > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of > >> > > adequate > >> > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > >> > > > > >> > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > >> > > > different cables can have different electrical > >> > > > characteristics. > >> > > > > >> > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > >> > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > >> > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > >> > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > >> > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > >> > > > course). > >> > > > > >> > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > >> > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > >> > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > >> > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > >> > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > >> > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > >> > > > > >> > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > >> > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > >> > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > >> > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > >> > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > >> > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > >> > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > >> > > > cables. > >> > > > > >> > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > >> > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > >> > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > >> > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > >> > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > >> > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > >> > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > >> > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > >> > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > >> > > > > >> > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > >> > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > >> > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > >> > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > >> > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > >> > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > >> > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > >> > > > always favouring the more expensive component). > >> > > > > >> > > > Good luck, > >> > > > > >> > > > -- Ron > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > From: > >> > > > > To: > >> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > >> > > > > > writes: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for > biwiring > >> or > >> > > > > passive > >> > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available > >> speakers > >> > > are > >> > > > > set > >> > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, > >> detachable > >> > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some > method > >> of > >> > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in > >> terms > >> > > of > >> > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two > smaller > >> > > power > >> > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current > one? > >> For > >> > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in > advance. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, > >> and > >> > > there > >> > > > > are > >> > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. > >> Seems > >> > > like > >> > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One > >> expert > >> > > was > >> > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth > >> the > >> > > extra > >> > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all > >> think? > >> > > > > Would > >> > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, > >> higher > >> > > > > current > >> > > > > > power amp? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in > advance > >> for > >> > > your > >> > > > > > help-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 18:45:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:45:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to difference between the L and R signals (there is no sound stage at all when they are the same). If the sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that previously, there was some leakage between the two channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not the other), previous to the repair. The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in one of the channels. We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain both comments of the owner. But, then, you say that another amp was also improved by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of properly operating wire can actually make an audible (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The system had been in operation for a number of years, its sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times what generic cable cost in H/W stores). I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky smooth highs, unbelievable presence. I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers around through the years without disconnecting the wires first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist out of the staunchest Believer... -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to > it. > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > those. > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end > > result? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > writes: > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or > > snake oil? > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss > > the entire system..." > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A > > steal at only £194.95 each?!! > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > aren't they? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 18:49:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:49:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Message-ID: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Thanks Graham, I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan >> Hi Brian, I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check them out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 18:51:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:51:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB89F29.2D27C942@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > It's OK, provided the inputs are referenced to +12V. The output will ride on +12V as well. You can generate +12V reference using a resistor, 12V Zener diode and an electrolytic cap. Current requirement is tiny. You can AC couple the output to get rid of the DC component. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 19:08:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:08:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <138.26768d9.28e9fd28@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2001 10:00:20 PM Central Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << My fellow Nakholes Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment into the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I see so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of those gadgets. Help! Javier PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? >> ----------- Hi Javier, Here are a few links that may help you make your choice: CNET DVD reviews http://www.cnet.com/electronics/0-5560484-8-5122146-1.html?tag=st.ce.3219398.d ir.dvd_5560484-8-5122146-1 TimeForDVD http://timefordvd.com/hardware/HardwareReviews.shtml TotalDVD reviews from the UK http://www.totaldvd.net/frame.html?http://www.totaldvd.net/reviews/DVDPlayers/ testexplained.shtml I hope these resources help. For the purpose you described, I'm sure any major brand DVD player will work for this application (e.g., Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony, JVC, Phillips, or even Zenith). Another alternative is to purchase one from eBay. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:16:29 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:16:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000801c14a9c$cef99020$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Hi Tom Thanks for the support. Yup, they certainly are killer recordings, aren't they. Even on relatively modest TDK SA it's hard to tell the difference blind against the vinyl original. (It's made some nice recordings of a few old 78s that I've collected over the last 2-3 years.) But then, if I recall correctly, the advertising blurb for its younger sibling, the ZX-7, said that deck offered open-reel quality. (Of course, I believe EVERYTHING I read in marketing literature!!!) So, I suppose one ought not be too surprised at just how good is the ZX-9. ;o) Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 01 October 2001 00:04 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 Hi Graham, I've read what Maytas wrote - absolutely correct! I too own a ZX-9 and face the same dilemmas that you are suffering. I don't worry too much about the constant adjusting when recording because I know that the ZX-9 will make killer recordings, and in the end that's what I aim for. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 19:14:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:14:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <7a.1b9fb193.28e9fe8a@aol.com> Javier, Here is a resources to learn more about recordable DVD. -Sam http://www.ultimateresourcesite.com/dvdrecordable/main.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 19:19:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:19:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? References: <20010930.231716.-267369.1.josephj69@juno.com> <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <3BB8A593.2B0ECAE0@concentric.net> Regions are an attribute of DVDs, put in by content providers (the movie studios). A DVD can only be played by a matching player. The idea was to force customers to buy DVDs only in their particular marketing area, ensuring that they cannot take advantage of availability or lower prices elsewhere in the world. They are of comparatively little import in the US. Some small manufacturers offer players that will play all zones. Hackers also offer to modify some single zone players to do the same. Content providers are now fighting back by releasing discs that will not play at all on multi-zone players. Stay tuned for further developments... Macrovision is a copy protection scheme that prevents copying a VHS tape or DVD disc. The disc may contain code that tells the player to issue interference that screws up the recording VCR. (Some discs do not and are copyable.) Some small manufacturers make players that ignore the MV code. They are violating their license, but it seems they don't give a hang. No main stream manufacturer dares do this. To combat MV on any player, one can purchase a color corrector (Sima makes their model CCS, that goes for about $100) that will enable DVD copying from any player and will allow corrections of video attributes as well. To copy VHS tapes, a simpler device will do (for about $50). -- Ron erie patsellis wrote: > > joe, > care to elucidate as to the region change > and macrovision disable, as I am looking > for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure > she won't be getting my Arcam. > > erie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > > > Javier, > > > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > > stuff. > > > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > > good. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > > writes: > > > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > > into > > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > > see > > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > > those gadgets. Help! > > > Javier > > > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? Does it exist? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:23:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:23:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000c01c14a9d$d1364440$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Ron said: "The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to difference between the L and R signals (there is no sound stage at all when they are the same). If the sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that previously, there was some leakage between the two channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not the other), previous to the repair." For give my ignorance, but is this why some people claim that cables which are not shielded generally offer a better sound stage than cables that are not shielded? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 1 19:23:44 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:23:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In-Reply-To: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c14a9d$d24bfa00$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Brian If you can't find them, send me your address and I'll post a couple to you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 01 October 2001 17:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Thanks Graham, I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan >> Hi Brian, I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check them out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 19:22:50 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:22:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a soldering iron :-) Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 19:22:54 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:22:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Message-ID: <008001c14a9d$b7f6a4c0$2e031fac@brianm> Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 19:24:12 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:24:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <11.1b738b54.28e9f87c@aol.com> Message-ID: <008e01c14a9d$e49e8740$2e031fac@brianm> Thanks Sam, unfortunately I do not know of any TR store in my area. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi > In a message dated 9/30/2001 11:36:05 AM Central Daylight Time, > brianm at grar.com writes: > > << Thanks Graham, > > I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of > finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have > subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to > TAS, it just ran out. > > As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports > theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? > > Brian Miller > Michigan >> > > Hi Brian, > > I've seen and read articles in both of those UK publications Graham > recommends at my local Tower Records. If you have a TR in your area, check > them out. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Oct 1 19:50:41 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:50:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs In-Reply-To: <008001c14a9d$b7f6a4c0$2e031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brian - looks like a test to me - which may start a heated debate like analogue vs. digital again ... Same like you, I go by performance rather than by the numbers. Either tuner is probably mid-range judging by the specs alone. The first one is more sensitive, the second one has lower distortion, and we can go on ... I do not see a clean winner here. I think a way to look at these specs is to take a reference tuner, some Tandberg or McIntosh from a few years ago, and cross reference the numbers. Just my $0.03. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 12:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Oct 1 20:26:02 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:26:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? In-Reply-To: <001101c14a8f$bc2e1540$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: Macrovision is mechanism for preventing copying DVD's onto tapes. Then, there is the system (NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc.), and Region Coding. In the US we are using NTSC 3.58 and Region 1. DVD's sold in the US are recorded in NTSC 3.58 and Region coded for Region 1. In most of Europe, for example, PAL is used instead of NTSC 3.58, and DVD's are coded for Region 2. I assume that Asia, etc. may be yet different. This means, that if you bought a DVD in England or France, made for their market, it wouldn't play in your DVD player. Apex came out a couple of years ago with a model 600, which had a hidden menu which allowed you to override the region and signal settings. New models, do not have the hidden menu, but via internet you can learn how to reprogram the chips (or by the replacements) that will do the job. Apex is still unique in that the new models will play PAL disc, not region coded, on US TV's. I have brought over several Region 0 [i.e., not region coded]DVD's from Poland, that are recorded in PAL, and can view them via the APEX DVD player on my JVC NTSC 3.58 TV. Clear as mud, ha ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie patsellis Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? joe, care to elucidate as to the region change and macrovision disable, as I am looking for one for my stepdaughter and I'm sure she won't be getting my Arcam. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? > Javier, > > I bought $99 Apex digital model for no other reason than the fact that it > can easily be modified to play all code, and you can shut Macrovision off > so you can copy DVDs onto VHS tape without problem. > > To be honest, the Apex is a piece of junk. It's certainly functional, > but I'm sure it's far from the state of the art in video quality. I > can't comment on audio because it's hooked up to a mono TV. > > I'm not a videophile at all (I use EP speed almost exclusively) and I > have no interest in multichannel nonsense (in fact, I even hate stereo > when I'm trying to watch TV!). So I'm not the guy to ask about that > stuff. > > If you decide to go with the Apex, get the one they sell at Wal-Mart > (model 500W, I think). The AD-1500 they sell everywhere else is not as > good. > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:59:02 -0400 Javier Perez > writes: > > > > My fellow Nakholes > > Odd as it may seem I am being hounded by my wife > > for a DVD player. Usually I'm the one trying to bring new equipment > > into > > the house. She believes that a VHS armageddon > > is about to occur at the local blockbuster and we must > > all equip ourselves with the new DVDs or suffer consequences > > of biblical proportions. I have seen several of the mass > > market units going for as low as 99 bucks. My question > > is simply, how good are these cheaper units? Is it worth spending > > 300 on a more expensive one? Do they all sound and image the same? > > How about reliability? My wife loves blow'em up action flicks > > with hunk like stars who can't act. I hate 99% of all the movies I > > see > > so I couldn't care less for DVD myself but must now select one of > > those gadgets. Help! > > Javier > > > > PS: How about recordable DVD? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 1 20:29:59 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:29:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs References: Message-ID: <00cf01c14aa7$15d59fc0$2e031fac@brianm> I am not looking for a heated debate Stan, I am just curious about the numbers between the two. I have no idea on most of the specs which are better if the number is greater or lower. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com/ John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Brian - looks like a test to me - which may start a heated debate like analogue vs. digital again ... Same like you, I go by performance rather than by the numbers. Either tuner is probably mid-range judging by the specs alone. The first one is more sensitive, the second one has lower distortion, and we can go on ... I do not see a clean winner here. I think a way to look at these specs is to take a reference tuner, some Tandberg or McIntosh from a few years ago, and cross reference the numbers. Just my $0.03. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, October 01, 2001 12:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Specs Specs are Greek to me, I have no idea of their meanings; as most of us, I go by performance anyway. But, below are given specs for two tuners, Tuner A and Tuner B. Could those of you with an understanding of these give your thoughts to which have the better "numbers"? TUNER A Sensitivity 15dBF or 1.6uV across 75 ohms. Stereo 50dB quieting sensitivity 39dBF or 25uV across 75 ohms. Response 20-15kHz (+0 -1dB). Distortion 0.12% in stereo. Capture ratio 1.5dB. Image rejection 80dB. S/N 75dB stereo. Alt channel selectivity 70dB. Separation 50dB. Spurious rejection 100dB. TUNER B Usable Sensitivity - stereo:11.5dBf (3.75µv) 50dB quieting sensitivity - stereo: 31.0dBf (35.5µv)** Audio frequency response (±1.5dB): 30Hz - 15KHz Total Harmonic Distortion - stereo: 0.25% Capture Ratio: 1.5dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio(SNR) (A-weighted): 75dB Alternate Channel Selectivity - wide: 55dB; Alternate Channel Selectivity - narrow: 75dB Stereo Separation (1KHz): >45dB Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 1 20:30:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:30:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: Message-ID: <3BB8B630.297113@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone > have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and > speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? I make interconnects to exact required length. Saves on clutter behind the components, reduces noise and hum pick up. I prefer to use 75 ohm coax for all cables. The constant impedance is immaterial for audio, but enables me to make the same kind of cable for audio, video and digital applications. The cable recommended by Belden's chief Engineer was their 1505A High performance, RG-59 type. It's double shielded (100% coverage), solid core and quite rigid. Dead quiet even on a long run to the subwoofer. Another cable favoured by DIY aficionados is Belden 89259 -- not as good, in every spec, except that the Teflon insulation is claimed to reduce distortion induced by the cable. For the reason mentioned above, I use 75 ohm RCA connectors throughout. I prefer gold or nickel plating, to eliminate tarnishing. I've used both crimped and screw-on connectors; one shipment of the latter (from Philmore) tended to be less reliable, others were fine. For speaker cables, I use generic OFC cable. You should calculate the minimum gauge required in your specific installation. It depends on cable length and the minimum impedance of your speakers. 12AWG goes for 25 to 40 cents a ft. in H/W stores such as Home Depot. Theoretically, it's a good idea to use the twisted kind for longer (say, 35 ft and above) runs. You can *theoretically* improve high frequency response by using parallel runs of smaller gauge wire (for example, 4 runs of paralleled 18AWG, twisted together, equal 12AWG with better high frequency behavior), but I am not sure how audible the improvement will be. It's possible esoteric construction cables may improve sound, but my view is that you will have to own a very high caliber system in an acoustically treated room (not to mention, a fairly esoteric pair of ears) to appreciate the difference, if any. This blasphemous view is supported by many *blind* listening tests. -- Ron > Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades > I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a > soldering iron :-) > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 1 20:45:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:45:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <09c101c14aa9$4dcd1960$493442cf@sank1> Yes, that should work just fine. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Will it beat Naks w/equivalent specs, No! > > Stan wrote: > > > Same like you, I go by performance rather than by > > the numbers. > > But the numbers describe the performance. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:11:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:11:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c14ac6$0d853be0$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Alex This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can do! Graham > > Alright Graham, your nice letter earned you best tip you will > > EVER get in audio, (I kid you not) here it is: > > > > If you want to make some interconnects and speaker cables that > > will blow yours out of the water: Radio Shack, or any other brand > > magnet wire is the answer. Its super cheap, use the 30 gauge > > spool for interconnects, twist the positive and negatives about 2 > > turns an inch but not the R&L channels together. Just one wire > > per lead, and use the 26 gauge for you speakers. Unless you have > > some pretty inefficient speakers then use the 22 gauge ditto on the turns. > > > > Inexpensive low mass Rca's or spades are fine. > > > > Don't even question this, I've demo'd it many times and with > > other's in industry, even in stores, and they are as good and > > usually way better than about anything out there at many, many > > thousands of dollars. Just 2 days ago a dealer friend of mine who > > sells Magnan cables told me a pair of magnet interconnects I made > > for him sounded better than a $3,000 pair of Magnan > > interconnects. Another dealer friend and I compared some speaker > > cables from Transparent, only $9800, to my $3.00 magnet wire. We > > both liked the magnet wire better. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 2 00:24:47 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:24:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <001401c14ac6$0d853be0$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB8ED2F.3B4E5AD4@earthlink.net> Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Alex > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > do! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:32:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:32:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <3BB8ED2F.3B4E5AD4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c14ac9$033e9700$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Jim Actually, I think it's Magnet wire - in other words, I think it's the name of the maker of the wire, tho' I'm not 100% certain of this. You'll find it in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Alex > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > do! ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 00:40:33 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <001601c14ac9$033e9700$ac4887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may wire manfacturers and is usually used only in inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never heard of it used for interconnects. SJ --- Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Actually, I think it's Magnet wire - in other words, > I think it's the name > of the maker of the wire, tho' I'm not 100% certain > of this. You'll find it > in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, > et al ... > > > > Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Alex > > > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget > the guy's name - he was > > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I > think. I've since tried > > making some interconnects but not using the > RadioShack magnet wire as > > specified because it doesn't seem to be available > over here in the UK. > > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this > stuff to see what it can > > do! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 00:50:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:50:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... In-Reply-To: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Scott. It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an interconnect ... makes me even more intrigued and wanting to make up a length! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may wire manfacturers and is usually used only in inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never heard of it used for interconnects. SJ --- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at mediaone.net Tue Oct 2 01:32:07 2001 From: bfvasil at mediaone.net (B. F. Vasil) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <20011001224033.89172.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB8FCF7.696C9565@mediaone.net> The construction of this type of interconnect was described in the March/April 2001 issue of Listener magazine under DIY/ interconnects. Mapleshade Records also makes interconnects and speaker wire using the same philosophy. Below is the page ..... Bruno http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/interconnects.html Scott Johnson wrote: > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never > heard of it used for interconnects. > > SJ > --- Graham Nelson ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 01:55:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:55:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0a1d01c14ad4$92fa8ba0$493442cf@sank1> Your zip cord to monster cable comparison is analogous to comparing mud to manure. The wire in the Spectral DMA-200 & DMA-90 was in perfect condition & perfectly installed. The soundstage was dramatically improved not by anything to do with interchannel crosstalk/separation, but by a great increase in the amount of low level ambient information that was now unimpeded going from jack board to amp boards(in both amps). Spectral is well known for using very high grade components & wiring in all of their products, and the stock wire on the inputs was not crap. It was just inadequate. BTW, the DMA-90 was less than a year old when I replaced the input wiring. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat > on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, > audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. > > The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's > reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to > difference between the L and R signals (there is no > sound stage at all when they are the same). If the > sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that > previously, there was some leakage between the two > channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, > incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually > improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion > or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not > the other), previous to the repair. > > The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass > balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase > and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. > Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in > one of the channels. > > We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp > had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of > the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain > both comments of the owner. > > But, then, you say that another amp was also improved > by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The > implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of > properly operating wire can actually make an audible > (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? > > Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many > years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving > a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The > system had been in operation for a number of years, its > sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. > > About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects > of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and > audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were > telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker > cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both > channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still > remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times > what generic cable cost in H/W stores). > > I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh > pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat > down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement > at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a > tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky > smooth highs, unbelievable presence. > > I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before > coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous > improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. > To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It > was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most > strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers > around through the years without disconnecting the wires > first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned > and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still > there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was > quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically > identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. > > This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist > out of the staunchest Believer... > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so > > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his > > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had > > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to > > it. > > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable > > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very > > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the > > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches > > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier > > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > > those. > > > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people > > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of > > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end > > > result? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > > writes: > > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or > > > snake oil? > > > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these > > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of > > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." > > > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss > > > the entire system..." > > > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the > > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A > > > steal at only �194.95 each?!! > > > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > > Audioquest sell from an amazing �42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > > aren't they? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 01:56:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:56:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> <001501c149c7$cde45f60$e4289bca@smarzuki> <3BB89F29.2D27C942@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0a2501c14ad4$bf5622e0$493442cf@sank1> The 482 already has single ended biasing & DC decoupling components on all op amp stages, so no worries. Should be "plug & play". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Kannan / Stephen / all, > > > > Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... > > believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > > Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > It's OK, provided the inputs are referenced to +12V. > The output will ride on +12V as well. > > You can generate +12V reference using a resistor, 12V > Zener diode and an electrolytic cap. Current requirement > is tiny. You can AC couple the output to get rid of the > DC component. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 02:05:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:05:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun?re:Adcom 555 References: Message-ID: <0a3701c14ad5$ec44b5e0$493442cf@sank1> The most significant thing you can fairly easily do for a 555 is to increase the size of the main power supply filter capacitors. Go as high in ufd value as will physically fit, keeping the rated voltage the same or higher. It's easiest to replace the existing caps, but you could also, with some creative hardware & wiring adaptation, supplement the existing caps. The next thing to do, and about as far as I would go with a 555, is to add in parallel with each main filter cap a large polypropylene film capacitor(in this type of cap, 20ufd is large, but the larger the better) from Solen, SCR/Axon, or Relcap/Multicap. The first step above will solidify the wimpy bass & likely drop the noise floor. The second step will smooth out the highs & general "un-muddle" the mids & highs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > On this cable issue....I like to do things myself when I can. So, anyone > have any recommendations on how to make some really good interconnect and > speaker cable? Materials and wire to utilize for the best quality? > > Oh, and one more thing...Stephen and others- are there some simple upgrades > I can do to my Adcom 555 amps until I upgrade? I am very good with a > soldering iron :-) > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Who knows one opamp could bring the '582' out of this lowly deck. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > The 482 already has single ended biasing & DC decoupling components on all > op amp stages, so no worries. Should be "plug & play". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You'll find it > in the RadioShack catalogue, sold in spools. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > > Please excuse my ignorance but what is magnet wire? > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Alex > > > > This is the recipe that was given to me - I forget the guy's name - he was > > selling some gear I was interested in on e-Bay, I think. I've since tried > > making some interconnects but not using the RadioShack magnet wire as > > specified because it doesn't seem to be available over here in the UK. > > Otherwise, I'd like to try making them with this stuff to see what it can > > do! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Oct 2 02:47:49 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:47:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stock Moscode 300 vs. Counterpoint SA-100 Message-ID: <20011001.210215.-204829.4.josephj69@juno.com> Stephen, How would you rate a Counterpoint SA-100 (or SA-12) against the stock Moscode 300? I guess the Moscode would be a better investment because I could modify it later on, but if both were stock, which way would you go? I only ask because I've gotten a very strong recommendation for the Counterpoints. - Joe On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have > one to > modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one > would > subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. > The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way > spectacular. > About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but > with more > 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube > stages, so > most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. > In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because > the > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to > be > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot > after > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > Moscode! > > > > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have > number > of > > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or > potential > > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to > source a > > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is > for only > > modifying an existing moscode? > > > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based > on sound > > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities > - > > Stephen > > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > Moscode! > > > > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how > much you > > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. > And, > yes, > > I > > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having > tube > following > > >it. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >- > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Oct 2 05:33:10 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:33:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... References: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Would you need to be concerned with the enamel wearing thin (or off) due to the effects of exposure and rubbing. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > Thanks Scott. > > It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an interconnect ... makes me > even more intrigued and wanting to make up a length! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Scott Johnson > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire with > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted on > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from may > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. Never > heard of it used for interconnects. > > SJ > --- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Oct 2 05:45:17 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:45:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stock Moscode 300 vs. Counterpoint SA-100 References: <20011001.210215.-204829.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB93845.B9C10BFF@snet.net> Hi Joe, Funny you should ask as I owned the SA-12 and now own the modified Moscode. I found the Counterpoint to be a nice amp... a little slow and hazy with some general mist veiling the highs. The Counterpoint was also a bit of a lightweight in terms of power. It had the watts on paper, but never seemed to be able to quite carry the bottom with sufficient heft. Don't get me wrong... it was a nice amp and excelled at thowing up a really musical and engaging soundstage, but over time you notice the weaknesses (as with any component). Stephen's comments about the stock Moscode seem to indicate that it may not be too far from the Counterpoint... although he'll point out poor engineering of the driver section of the Counterpoint. The Moscode has more modification potential and can be made to sound pretty much world class with some work... I'm not sure that the Counterpoint can (although the designer offers a current full re-design which uses bipolar outputs). The big problem with Counterpoint is the alarming number of stories of their amps literally blowing up. While mine worked great the reputation is that they're not the most stable amp around. Ed josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Stephen, > > How would you rate a Counterpoint SA-100 (or SA-12) against the stock > Moscode 300? > > I guess the Moscode would be a better investment because I could modify > it later on, but if both were stock, which way would you go? > > I only ask because I've gotten a very strong recommendation for the > Counterpoints. > > - Joe > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 00:43:25 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > The price range I quoted is including the stock amp, assuming I have > > one to > > modify, which I currently do(have one 300 & one 600). So, one > > would > > subtract about $450 if one has a stock 300 already. > > The stock Moscode amps are quite good, but not in any way > > spectacular. > > About as good as a stock PA-7AII. A little more veiled sound, but > > with more > > 3 dimensionality. Usually had very noisy resistors in the tube > > stages, so > > most are fairly noisy in stock form. Pretty darn quite after mods. > > In regard to Ed's question about how cool the amps run: Because > > the > > fundamental circuit design is excellent, the MOSFET's don't need to > > be > > high-biased to sound good. But, if it ain't getting good & hot > > after > > playing loud for a while, you ain't playin' it loud enough! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kannan. S" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > > Moscode! > > > > > > > Few things about Moscode rebuild I thought would ask - Do you have > > number > > of > > > Moscodes ( 300 ) available with you for anybody wanting it or > > potential > > > customer should have it for you to modify the same ( one has to > > source a > > > second hand moscode for you to modify)? And the cost indicated is > > for only > > > modifying an existing moscode? > > > > > > Other than costs - I suspect the basic Amp itself should be based > > on sound > > > design and compnent qualities as well as good drive capabilities > > - > > > Stephen > > > what is your openion on basic moscode amps themselves? > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's > > Moscode! > > > > > > > > > >My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how > > much you > > > >want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. > > And, > > yes, > > > I > > > >agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having > > tube > > following > > > >it. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >- > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:32:48 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:02:48 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DVDs??? Message-ID: <00a201c14af2$e89f9c80$42d60192@vsnl> I would agree with Ron on this - unless you want to throw the DVD player next year and wouldn't mind that 99$ spending for an year of DVD playing! These chinese player may stop playing after an year like my Philips iscman( made in China) stopped after an year and its buttons do not work after 8 months! Ofcourse i replaced the CDM12.3 mechanism at 14$ and now it is working - god knows how many more months. kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DVDs??? >I never buy the bottom end of anything and certainly >wouldn't recommend $99 DVD players. These usually >come from fringe manufacturers (Oritron, Apex, etc.). >Likewise, I would stay away from Sony and Toshiba >(good performance, but reliability sucks. Customer >support is even worse). Beware the 90 day warranty >-- 1 year parts and labour should be your minimum. > >OTOH, spending $300 plus for a player that will connect >to a small screen mono TV is a waste of money. While >players do not image and sound the same, you will not >be able to appreciate $1000 player over a $100 unless >it's connected in a system of corresponding quality. > >Consider the lowest cost Pioneer player, at about $180 >mail order. It's probably an overkill for someone that >doesn't care about picture and audio quality, but is >reasonably reliable and will serve well in the event >you eventually obtain a better TV and/or an HT sound >system. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:37:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:07:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss Message-ID: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input as well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > >Kannan / Stephen / all, > >Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I ... >believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. >Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point :-) > >Thanks in advance, >Salim SM > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 2 05:59:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:29:54 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Message-ID: <00b001c14af6$b1ff66c0$42d60192@vsnl> Splendid! and well said Neal. I do not easily believe that cables can be a reason for huge difference in sound. But being a metallurgical engineer - I know that purity of metals like Copper / Silver/ Gold or any such conducting metals play a role in conductivity. Also prior treatments - like we say wire drawing and annealing treatments for getting the wire to shape play a significant effects on atomic structures and hence their physical properties like electrical/ thermal conductivity and hardnes etc. Some of the reason for OFC ( oxygen free copper - as tiny amount of Oxygen in the form of Copper oxide -seen on metallurgical microscope- can affect Electrical conductivity significantly) being used in audio cables/ catridges / magnetic heads are basically proven scientifically to be better than ordinary Copper. I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is. Since Nakamichi decks themselves example of producing wonderful sound comparing to its compettitors products of almost equal specifications. So I have decided to try out some of the affordable ( Neal can afford a different scale!) tweaks and hear for myself what could be true. Still it is worthwhile asking many in this or similar forum as tweaks cost real money! And hopefully I can taste those $$$$ wine as well sometime in future!!!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Neal Walker To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? >We wouldn't be on this site if we thought we couldn't hear the difference >even by doing little things. Hence my sceptisism in the guy who says he >can't tell the difference between his $250 yamaha cd player and the $4000 >krell. hang i made the decision on which cd player to buy based on >differences in sound and so does everyone else. what people are really >saying is that some of these tweeks , components are over priced.....but >that is a different story. > >its like fine wine my other passion, people always tell me that i am crazy >to drink this fancy french stuff at $$$ and that a $6 bottle is just as good >but when i give them a sip of what i'm having they soon change their tune. >that doesn't mean they are going to be buying lafite as their daily drinking >wine any time soon. > >sometimes people who spend the fortune on wine and hi-fi are foolish but if >you are wealthy enough and it gives you pleasure then go ahead. > >cheers, skol, prost >neal ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 07:15:58 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Magnet wire enamel In-Reply-To: <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Message-ID: <20011002051558.97228.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, Rubbing through the enamel is a problem. In cases were vibration or thermal cycling will be common the windings are potted or glued together to prevent any rubbing. If two wires rub through the enamel and short, it's all over. Whatever it is, be it a transformer, inductor, motor, generator or speaker that's it, it's bad. SJ --- Ed Noyes wrote: > Would you need to be concerned with the enamel > wearing thin (or off) due to the > effects of exposure and rubbing. > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Scott. > > > > It seems odd, that such wire could be usable as an > interconnect ... makes me > > even more intrigued and wanting to make up a > length! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Scott Johnson > > Sent: 01 October 2001 23:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, > et al ... > > > > Magnet wire is usually single strand copper wire > with > > enamel insulation. The enamel is usually painted > on > > and extremely thin. Magnet wire is available from > may > > wire manfacturers and is usually used only in > > inductors, transformers, motors and generators. > Never > > heard of it used for interconnects. > > > > SJ > > --- > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Oct 2 15:46:17 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:46:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9742@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> In my experience, driving the 4558 to the limits, the 4558 with distort the pin point accuracy of the image in the sound field (focus can get smeared with the right conditions). The 4560, OP275 and OPA-2604 are much better. I prefer the OPA-2604 due to it's JFET design. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar > arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input > as > well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in > such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:07 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > > > > > >Kannan / Stephen / all, > > > >Is it okay to power an opamp using +24V and gnd instead of +/-12 V ? I > ... > >believe they're the same, but some assurance would be really appreciated. > >Can't find -12V point on 482 (but of course I didn't check every point > :-) > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Salim SM > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 2 16:17:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:17:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> <3BB89DBA.40DF3EC0@concentric.net> <0a1d01c14ad4$92fa8ba0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB9CC5D.89F29B8A@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > [...] > The soundstage was dramatically improved not by > anything to do with interchannel crosstalk/separation, but by a great > increase in the amount of low level ambient information that was now > unimpeded going from jack board to amp boards(in both amps). I am curious what, in the cheap wire, can impede low level information. I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all three components values at *extremely* close to zero. Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers overlook? -- Ron Spectral is > well known for using very high grade components & wiring in all of their > products, and the stock wire on the inputs was not crap. It was just > inadequate. BTW, the DMA-90 was less than a year old when I replaced the > input wiring. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > Such anecdotal proofs abound. Putting my agnostic hat > > on, I wonder aloud what would cause a significant, > > audible difference, related to a 4" piece of wire. > > > > The first clue is the sound stage opening up. Let's > > reason this one out. Sound stage effects are due to > > difference between the L and R signals (there is no > > sound stage at all when they are the same). If the > > sound stage just 'opened up', that would imply that > > previously, there was some leakage between the two > > channels, reducing channel separation (possibly, > > incorrect shielding?). If the imaging actually > > improved, it would tend to indicate that distortion > > or phase shift occurred in one of the channels (but not > > the other), previous to the repair. > > > > The second clue relates to the complaint about 'bass > > balance'. Again, channel balance has to do with phase > > and amplitude relationships between L and R signals. > > Tonal balance could be affected by poor response in > > one of the channels. > > > > We have no more clues, but I would wonder if the amp > > had a poor connection or a cold solder joint in one of > > the leads that were replaced. That would neatly explain > > both comments of the owner. > > > > But, then, you say that another amp was also improved > > by replacing a piece of wire, in another location. The > > implied explanation, then, is that 4" (or 8") of > > properly operating wire can actually make an audible > > (or even measurable) difference, for no physical reason? > > > > Let me offer an anecdotal story of my own. Many, many > > years ago, my system consisted of a ReVox B285 driving > > a pair of JBL L-65 speakers though 16AWG zip cord. The > > system had been in operation for a number of years, its > > sound was fading and it was time, I felt, to upgrade. > > > > About that time (mid 80s), the marvelous sonic effects > > of speaker cables became an audiophile issue and > > audiophile friends of the Believing persuasion were > > telling me that I really ought to replace my speaker > > cables. I finally succumbed and bought 20 ft (for both > > channels) of Monster 12AWG speaker cable. I still > > remember I paid 80 cents a ft (more than 4 times > > what generic cable cost in H/W stores). > > > > I disconnected the old zip cord and connected fresh > > pieces of the new cable. I then put on a disc and sat > > down to listen. I didn't expect to hear any improvement > > at all and was simply flabbergasted when out issued a > > tremendously gorgeous sound... deeper bass, silky > > smooth highs, unbelievable presence. > > > > I basked in The New Sound for a couple of hours before > > coming to my senses and deciding that such stupendous > > improvement couldn't possibly be due to speaker cables. > > To verify, I decided to put the zip cords back in. It > > was then that I discovered the ends were frayed and most > > strands were broken -- the result of moving the speakers > > around through the years without disconnecting the wires > > first. I cut an inch off each end, re-stripped, re-tinned > > and reconnected. Sure enough, The New Sound was still > > there... I wound up reconnecting back and forth and was > > quickly convinced that the Monster cables were sonically > > identical to the smaller gauge zip cords. > > > > This is the kind of experience that would make an Atheist > > out of the staunchest Believer... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: > > > Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 > > > Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. > > > Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or > so > > > for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in > > > general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to > his > > > house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away > > > played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", > > > then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage > had > > > opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done > to > > > it. > > > I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The > cable > > > between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some > very > > > respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with > the > > > silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 > inches > > > per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two > earlier > > > on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > > > > > > > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > > > > those. > > > > > > > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't > people > > > > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth > of > > > > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the > end > > > > result? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > > > > writes: > > > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology > or > > > > snake oil? > > > > > > > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > > > > > > > > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > > > > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment > these > > > > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > > > > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series > of > > > > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > > > > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on > sound..." > > > > > > > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > > > > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and > degauss > > > > the entire system..." > > > > > > > > - The green pen .... > > > > > > > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > > > > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across > the > > > > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." > A > > > > steal at only £194.95 each?!! > > > > > > > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > > > > > > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > > > > > > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > > > > Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > > > > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > > > > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > > > > > > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > > > > aren't they? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:03:00 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:03:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem Message-ID: Hi Stephen & all, My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off after ~20 sec. Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that replacement of the pinch ? And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened grease, and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the tape tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? (... I don't think so) Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 17:22:39 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:22:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: If anyone is interested by the schematics diagram of the MR-1, let me know your address during a week. Then I will send it to you. (2 Mo) Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Oct 2 18:17:42 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:17:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1386 In-Reply-To: <200110021436.QAA11708@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Ron wrote : > > I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do > not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire > simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all > three components values at *extremely* close to zero. > Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers > overlook? > This thing about cables is fascinating :-) I don't see any other values than R-C-L playing a role, but it could be that they're not constants, but function of frequency, current, voltage or whatever . They certainly are a function of temperature, but I don't think that the few degrees of potential difference in room temperature will make an audible difference . OTOH, since Stephen's mods were before amplification (if I understood it correctly) it isn't to be excluded that a small difference becomes audible when seriously amplified . Personally, I would suggest that the people with the knowledge and the equipment try to find a way to measure the potential differences between cables ... Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Oct 2 19:15:18 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:15:18 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I had no expirience with LAT (we do not have their wires here anyway), but I had similar expirience with my own amp (sorry guys, I'm not blind ;-). It was tube amp, PP on 6A3, driven through interstage transformer, without total NFB, witout any caps in soundpath (fixed bias) and so on. What I did - I replaced several pieces of cooper wire in soundpath (total about 15 sm per channel) with... same kind of wire - 1 mm cooper wire but it was used in coil of Telefunken radio, dated mid 30-th. (no, I didn't cannibalise such a radio) The result was more than obivious! So, I KNOW that cables has their own sound and has a great effect! I simply heard it ;-) Misha >I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable >between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very >respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the >silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches >per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier >on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 2 18:43:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1386 References: Message-ID: <3BB9EEB8.A31A17CB@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > Ron wrote : > > > > I am asking because, AFAIK, a few inches of wire do > > not impede *any* signal, regardless of level. The wire > > simply behaves as a complex R-C-L network, with all > > three components values at *extremely* close to zero. > > Is there some other attribute of wire the engineers > > overlook? > > > > This thing about cables is fascinating :-) > I don't see any other values than R-C-L playing a role, but it could be that > they're not constants, but function of frequency, current, voltage or > whatever . R is a function of frequency, due to skin effect, which is immaterial at audio frequencies. R is also affected by temperature -- very slightly at room temperatures. Both effects are identical in any copper wire of the same gauge, regardless whether generic or high-end. C depends on the dielectric constant of the insulation, but in hook up applications it's very small (probably, a fraction of a pF in a 4" piece). Besides, i do not see how it can affect low level signals differently than high level ones. L of 4" of wire is on the verge of immeasurable. It would be the same for any wire, generic or otherwise. Any metallic wire is extremely linear. This is why I raised the question in the first place. What's in the LAT wire that's different from generic wire? -- Ron > They certainly are a function of temperature, but I don't think > that the few degrees of potential difference in room temperature will make > an audible difference . > OTOH, since Stephen's mods were before amplification (if I understood it > correctly) it isn't to be excluded that a small difference becomes audible > when seriously amplified. > Personally, I would suggest that the people with the knowledge and the > equipment try to find a way to measure the potential differences between > cables ... > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 2 19:47:13 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:47:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <00b001c14af6$b1ff66c0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000001c14b6a$44d4d520$646e87d9@a4s1s2> Kannan said: "I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is." We do read much scepticism about what people can and cannot hear. Personally, I like to keep an open mind as I have been very surprised in the past at what senses people can, and do, develop to a point that are far more acute than the majority of people have. This suggests to me that there is much latent ability within all of us that we may simple not develop for want of practise. Whilst I accept Ron's view that many people are "suggestible" and may (esp. under circumstances of a non-blind A-B test) be persuaded they can hear something that is not real, I also believe others may well be able to detect real differences in, say, cables where other may not. To give an extreme example, people who are deprived of a sense usually develop something else to a degree that is much sharper than most other people; blind people, for example, often have a better developed sense of hearing that people who can see and hear. That may sound obvious but there are some instances which seem more like magic than science! For example, I know a totally blind and deaf guy who can tell if you are happy or sad just by feeling your hand. I watched him ask a friend how she was. "Great," she replied. "Liar," he responded, "I can feel you are depressed. What is the matter?" One might ask what the Hell is he sensing by touch! Presumably it's touch. But then, is it? If it is, what is it he can feel that tells him someone's mood? If it isn't touch, what is it? Intuition? No one can measure intuition, can they? On the other hand, I have also seen experiments with hypnosis, even had some of them done on me. When the hypnotist says "smell the (imaginary) rose, you smell a rose! When it is suggested that the cold coin put in your hand is hot, it hurts and can even blister the skin. (Likewise, when you are told the hot coin placed in your hand is cold it does not hurt and the skin does not blister.) So, yes - the power of suggestion is very very powerful. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 2 19:56:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:56:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem References: Message-ID: <0c2c01c14b6b$83a691c0$493442cf@sank1> If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > Hi Stephen & all, > My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the > capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution > (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. > > Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off > after ~20 sec. > Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that > replacement of the pinch ? > > And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened grease, > and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. > > In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, > however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the tape > tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? > (... I don't think so) > > Regards, Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 2 20:24:57 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:24:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Making cables ....the ultimate link list.. References: <000001c14acb$860e86c0$5d5b87d9@a4s1s2> <3BB9356E.D6CD9AC@snet.net> Message-ID: <007d01c14b6f$8a741140$49ea3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making cables ....for Alex, et al ... > Would you need to be concerned with the enamel wearing thin (or off) due to the > effects of exposure and rubbing. > > Ed > Well not really the enamel is fairly tough and most instructions suggest that you use packing tape or other wide clear tapes as insulation. You should be able to get magnet wireat any decent electronics shop. you can also get silver wire in the same form but unvarnished if you want to try cheap solid silver interconects. some links for you to try from gizmo's site http://meta-gizmo.com/Tri/Dancing/DrG_silverT.html this includes the info for the silver wire oh and here Harvey describes his moscodes http://meta-gizmo.com/Tri/nyal/moscode.html for properties of copper etc. http://www.connector.org/ John Risch has tried to explain why cables make a difference more than anyone else on the net (also includes diy info) http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/ and this post includes a complete bibliography and further websites http://www.AudioAsylum.com/audio/cables/messages/27322.html and don't forget belden's website www.belden.com finaly want to have fun and read neat cable patents start here http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html Have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 3 00:14:19 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:14:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> HI Matyas, Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 1:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 If anyone is interested by the schematics diagram of the MR-1, let me know your address during a week. Then I will send it to you. (2 Mo) Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Wed Oct 3 00:27:35 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:27:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. Message-ID: Some interesting comparisons between various op amps (including the OP275) can be viewed at http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm regards ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 2 03:01:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:01:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Kannan, Stephen, Kurtis n all, Ooops sorry Ron, I missed your reply first time. I must admit I'm totally incompetent at this 'beyond soldering gun' thing. I put in 4558 circuit copyed from 582's schematic .... got 23V DC with none of 1V AC on the output ! :-( Adding 47K resistor between path and ground after the output cap got rid of the DC but still only 15 mV ac output (0db 400hz homemade tape) . I guess this relates to the input reference voltage on Ron's reply. I tried both 12v and 24v voltage source with similar result. Didn't expect adding opamp could be this hard, what an embarassing situation. Using opamp following deck's line output should be ok (especially with its own PS :-) but I'd like to implement 582's line amp and use it straight next to 100mv TP101 / after 482's pb eq amp. I'd better stop this built-your-own-naks thing .... finally, thanks for the replies ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss > You got the answer from Ron and Stephen. Take care to study similar > arrangement in 480 circuit. You may have to use AC coupling on both input as > well as out put. I think you may not get any sonic benefit using OP275 in > such an arrangement I guess( so better stop with 4558 opamp). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 3 05:46:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:16:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem Message-ID: <005901c14bbd$ec4c2580$42d60192@vsnl> Stephen/ Matyas I also noticed hardened grease in the sliding plate parts that pull these springs in my 582. I had removed the grease and also replaced the pinch rollars. Matyas can try to remove those hardening grease first ! kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem >If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide >plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm >projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring >tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matyas" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > >> Hi Stephen & all, >> My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the >> capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based solution >> (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. >> >> Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off >> after ~20 sec. >> Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that >> replacement of the pinch ? >> >> And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened >grease, >> and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. >> >> In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, >> however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the >tape >> tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? >> (... I don't think so) >> >> Regards, Matyas >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 3 10:15:21 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:15:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Specifications and audibility Message-ID: Yes, very nicely put Graham. We had a look at the comparative specs of two tuners yesterday. Theoretically better specs add up to better performance, in the case of tuners, the lower the sensitivity microvoltage, the better. Then capture ratios, selectivity, etc...... All fascinating but irrelevant if you haven't got a great aerial. These are nothing but a set of qualitative guidelines that manufacturers have devised measuring apparatus for. There are times that what we 'like' may not in fact dovetail with what what we are supposed to like after reading the spec page. We have previously lamented on the thoroughness of specs, and the fact that they are assembled by marketing people who have a duty to the sales division to communicate a clear, preferably simple message. Ron has previously said that (hope I get this right)...if you can hear it, it can be measured. While I don't dispute that, I don't think that all that we hear does get measured, irrespective of "full" sets of specs being made available and reported on, or not. By the same token, I would suggest that some of the things that are measured are inaudible. Perhaps it's fair to say that certain specs are are very important and have a bearing on sonic performance, and some are less relevant. At least some aspects of a components sonic performance that are deemed to be significant (and obvious to the trained ear), are not reported on because although theoretically, measuring instruments could be designed to measure such characteristics, they probably haven't been. Without doubt Ron is right - people are suggestible. If they have read an opiniated review of a component that they are about to listen to, they are likey to recall all the commentary that reinforces their own experience and perjaps disregard the rest. However, comparing a Krell and a Yamaha player that was mentioned yesterday on naktalk. On a sequence of 20 blind listening tests on any music I absolutely guarantee I would get the machines right 20 out of 20 times. (Providing we use the on board DACs) On CD players, you probably couldn't find two more opposite sonic signatures than those two brands so it's possibly not a fair test. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/02/01 07:47PM >>> Kannan said: "I also feel some people hear tiny variations in some sounds than the other. While the other humans may be more affected by distortion more than the earlier referenced persons. So sound perception is somehow subjective and at the same time to be accepted as is." We do read much scepticism about what people can and cannot hear. Personally, I like to keep an open mind as I have been very surprised in the past at what senses people can, and do, develop to a point that are far more acute than the majority of people have. This suggests to me that there is much latent ability within all of us that we may simple not develop for want of practise. Whilst I accept Ron's view that many people are "suggestible" and may (esp. under circumstances of a non-blind A-B test) be persuaded they can hear something that is not real, I also believe others may well be able to detect real differences in, say, cables where other may not. To give an extreme example, people who are deprived of a sense usually develop something else to a degree that is much sharper than most other people; blind people, for example, often have a better developed sense of hearing that people who can see and hear. That may sound obvious but there are some instances which seem more like magic than science! For example, I know a totally blind and deaf guy who can tell if you are happy or sad just by feeling your hand. I watched him ask a friend how she was. "Great," she replied. "Liar," he responded, "I can feel you are depressed. What is the matter?" One might ask what the Hell is he sensing by touch! Presumably it's touch. But then, is it? If it is, what is it he can feel that tells him someone's mood? If it isn't touch, what is it? Intuition? No one can measure intuition, can they? On the other hand, I have also seen experiments with hypnosis, even had some of them done on me. When the hypnotist says "smell the (imaginary) rose, you smell a rose! When it is suggested that the cold coin put in your hand is hot, it hurts and can even blister the skin. (Likewise, when you are told the hot coin placed in your hand is cold it does not hurt and the skin does not blister.) So, yes - the power of suggestion is very very powerful. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:42:05 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:42:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hello Tom ! I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the case of your own current one... Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > HI Matyas, > > Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:22:40 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:22:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Message-ID: I want to know if the LX-3 is a part of the 0.6 volts Naks or 1 volt ones. A while ago, I put a 400 Hz cassette into, then I measured 0,775 V. It was sure for me the deck was miscalibrated by someone and in addition, the sound was pumping with Dolby. Then I choose to rise the output level to 1 volt (PB level vr), the pumping sound is gone. So, the LX-3 seems to be a 1 volt Nak. (with a lot of orange crap around Dolby chips) If the LX-3 must be set @ 0.6 volt, mine have a very serious problem ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:21:07 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:21:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. But, I have got an idea : we can ameliorate the pressure of the shaft that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable insulation around the shaft... is it possible ? I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have difficulties to rewind some cassettes. Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 10:43:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:43:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem References: <005901c14bbd$ec4c2580$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen / Salim / Kannan ! Yesterday, just after sending the question, I was so perplex that I decided to look further in details. I have found that the supply roller was just very LIGHTLY spinning less well that the take up one, I mean subtle ! (driven with the tip of a small screwdriver) So, it is an interesting experience, as I would never imagine before a so subtle difference could harm the tape tension. So, it was a thing that was sure: hardened lub' on its shaft. I have done the work for the 2 rollers. The tape tension problem is gone !!! Still, compared to my other Naks, the supply pinch roller pressure is not of the same quality. I'll look to the spring very soon, thanks again :-) For the sliding palte, I don't think it is affected by hard lub' because its action is quite fast. Regards, Matyas PS: I have adjusted the tape speed with XY osilloscope & Dragon 400 Hz. Just amazed by the non unifomity of the speed control (is it controled ?) of the LX-3 motor ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > Stephen/ Matyas > I also noticed hardened grease in the sliding plate parts that pull these > springs in my 582. I had removed the grease and also replaced the pinch > rollars. Matyas can try to remove those hardening grease first ! > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > > >If you look from the bottom edge of the front of the mech, is the slide > >plate that the roller arm springs are attached to clearing the arm > >projections in play/rec mode? In other words, is it pulling full spring > >tension? If so, is the spring on that arm in good shape? > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Matyas" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller problem > > > > > >> Hi Stephen & all, > >> My LX-3 supply pinch roller do not give sufficient pressure on the > >> capstan, I can stop it by hand & when I clean it with water based > solution > >> (from Teac), it slips even more and the cotton swab stop it frankly. > >> > >> Of course, this behaviour have effect on sound, the tape tension get off > >> after ~20 sec. > >> Does it exist any way to adjust/repair it in an other way that > >> replacement of the pinch ? > >> > >> And I must say that the pinch roller arm is not affected by hardened > >grease, > >> and that the pinch roller don't looks worn up. > >> > >> In addition, know that I have never readjusted the capstan motor speed, > >> however it absolutely needs it, as it run too fast. Does it can fix the > >tape > >> tension thing, to bring the capstan motor to the right speed ? > >> (... I don't think so) > >> > >> Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 3 11:12:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:12:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 References: Message-ID: <0d2201c14beb$8fcc1940$493442cf@sank1> The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport dual capstan decks are 1volt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 > I want to know if the LX-3 is a part of the 0.6 volts Naks or 1 volt ones. > A while ago, I put a 400 Hz cassette into, then I measured 0,775 V. > It was sure for me the deck was miscalibrated by someone and in addition, > the sound was pumping with Dolby. Then I choose to rise the output level to > 1 volt (PB level vr), the pumping sound is gone. > So, the LX-3 seems to be a 1 volt Nak. (with a lot of orange crap around > Dolby chips) > > If the LX-3 must be set @ 0.6 volt, mine have a very serious problem ! > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 12:02:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:02:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Message-ID: <20011003100249.FTBR1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Some exceptions are: CR3,4, Cass Deck 1 and 482. :-( Probably newer dual capstan DRs are also 0.5V. > The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport > dual capstan decks are 1volt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 12:28:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:28:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Specifications and audibility Message-ID: <20011003102853.GCEQ1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hello Marc, I agree with your opinion that currently measurement techniques are not perfect / complete yet, i.e. some sonics 'quality' are still not fully expressed over those specs. Had people stop their curiosity way back then, we would've been living in a flat world. I believe that was what happenned on early 90s when people thought they have 'the ultimate' CD and we end up with sterile sound. Regarding your confidence on cd player blind test, be careful my friend ... imho abx is more of a test on human-hearing sensitivity rather than equipment test ... never been through one but sounds like it's real difficult to 'pass' that test. And cd player would be one of the toughest to differentiate in the first place. Best regards, Salim SM > Yes, very nicely put Graham. We had a look at the comparative specs of two > tuners yesterday. Theoretically better specs add up to better performance, in > the case of tuners, the lower the sensitivity microvoltage, the better. Then > capture ratios, selectivity, etc...... All fascinating but irrelevant if you > haven't got a great aerial. These are nothing but a set of qualitative > guidelines that manufacturers have devised measuring apparatus for. > > There are times that what we 'like' may not in fact dovetail with what what we > are supposed to like after reading the spec page. We have previously lamented > on the thoroughness of specs, and the fact that they are assembled by marketing > people who have a duty to the sales division to communicate a clear, preferably > simple message. Ron has previously said that (hope I get this right)...if you > can hear it, it can be measured. While I don't dispute that, I don't think that > all that we hear does get measured, irrespective of "full" sets of specs being > made available and reported on, or not. By the same token, I would suggest that > some of the things that are measured are inaudible. > > Perhaps it's fair to say that certain specs are are very important and have a > bearing on sonic performance, and some are less relevant. At least some aspects > of a components sonic performance that are deemed to be significant (and obvious > to the trained ear), are not reported on because although theoretically, > measuring instruments could be designed to measure such characteristics, they > probably haven't been. > > Without doubt Ron is right - people are suggestible. If they have read an > opiniated review of a component that they are about to listen to, they are likey > to recall all the commentary that reinforces their own experience and perjaps > disregard the rest. > > However, comparing a Krell and a Yamaha player that was mentioned yesterday on > naktalk. On a sequence of 20 blind listening tests on any music I absolutely > guarantee I would get the machines right 20 out of 20 times. (Providing we use > the on board DACs) On CD players, you probably couldn't find two more opposite > sonic signatures than those two brands so it's possibly not a fair test. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 10/02/01 07:47PM >>> > > > Kannan said: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 14:31:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:31:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 References: <0d2201c14beb$8fcc1940$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen for the clarification ! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" > The LX-3 is absolutely a 1volt deck. Either all or almost all Nak transport > dual capstan decks are 1volt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Oct 3 20:32:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:32:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: Message-ID: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Ken Lee wrote: > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > regards ken People will find it easier to view the site if they add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of 'I' in the URL above, as in http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, including those originally supplied in most CD players. Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this is so, though it does make sense. In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at that point, the data stream should already been synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the claims above. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 3 23:56:10 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:56:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> HI Matyas, Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 6:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hello Tom ! I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the case of your own current one... Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > HI Matyas, > > Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring to my e-mail address or postal address? > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 02:40:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:40:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000e01c14ba4$0f3473a0$cb289bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, If you are not in a hurry I can scan some BX300 pages for you or upload it to Wouter's site. Please let me know which sections you need - there are 2 layouts for s/n < 2000 and later. Some of the electronics' values are a wee bit different with that of MR1's (at least on pb / rec amp), mechanical should be roughly similar though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 4 03:27:54 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:27:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Salim, Thank you on your offer. I'm after all of the info if possible, my unit is running perfectly at the moment but if something goes wrong with it in the future I will need the technical info to repair it. I'll check out the serial number on my unit tonight. Thanks once again and regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 10:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hi Tom, If you are not in a hurry I can scan some BX300 pages for you or upload it to Wouter's site. Please let me know which sections you need - there are 2 layouts for s/n < 2000 and later. Some of the electronics' values are a wee bit different with that of MR1's (at least on pb / rec amp), mechanical should be roughly similar though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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D.Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 4 05:03:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:33:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <003101c14c81$144f0660$42d60192@vsnl> Hi Matyas I forgot to add my email to your list for MR1 schematics. Kindly send it to my email kannan_s at vsnl.com / which has 5 mB space anyway to receive any massive files. Thanks in advance Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 >HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 6:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > > >Hello Tom ! >I was referring of course to the e-mail one, as the file is about 2 Mo, >knowing that not any mail boxes can receive larges file, that is perhaps the >case of your own current one... > >Regards, Matyas > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > >> HI Matyas, >> >> Yes I'm interested in obtaining schematics of the MR-1. Are you referring >to my e-mail address or postal address? >> >> Regards Tom. >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 06:30:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: Message-ID: <000d01c14c8d$3d6c6c20$373442cf@sank1> It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand fixing it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The > complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly > reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given the > following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis as > the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, > which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is > no longer available." > > 2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to > leave for India in another twenty days? > > D.Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Oct 4 06:30:23 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:00:23 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails Message-ID: <000401c14c8d$49ec30c0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I also thought " what is the connection to bearing here" -old Nak mechanism capstan shaft bearings are the best I have seen for the application. If that is the problem( pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting ), we can try to get the part here and generally it takes time. however If debshish can identify that part correctly even Stephen can get the part from Patty of Nak service USA. My suggestion is - Chakravarti can get to see the actual part (number) and can download any old Nak (mechanism) like 582 / 680/ Dragon service manual from Naks website to identify another part number from these service manuals matching the same part ( most of the times there are different part numbers on different Nak machines eventhough they are easily replaceable!) we can obtain the part and replace it. The mechanism will work for another decade without any problems! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails >It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. >Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be >remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the >pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one >is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying >to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into >cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for >India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice >one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at >some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand >fixing it? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Debashish Chakravarti" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM >Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > >> This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The >> complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly >> reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given >the >> following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis >as >> the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, >> which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is >> no longer available." >> >> 2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to >> leave for India in another twenty days? >> >> D.Chakravarti >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 13:30:30 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:30:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Tom & all ! What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 (but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the adjustment steps. About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from him soon. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 13:32:28 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:32:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade Message-ID: About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. But, I have got an idea : can we ameliorate the pressure of the shaft that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable insulation around the driving shaft... is it possible ? I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have difficulties to rewind some cassettes. Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 17:02:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:02:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade References: Message-ID: <005201c14ce5$9729b800$323442cf@sank1> The too-small rubber idler looses friction against the plastic reel table rims before it loses friction against the brass motor pulley. The only way it works is to have a good, clean surface on the rubber tire. No other measures, short of the gear upgrade, are reasonably conceivable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Gear upgrade > About the gear upgrade, for the models that haven' it, I believe it was a > too light rubber idler into, isn't it ? > I don't know to what looks like the inside of the 3rd generation Naks. > But, I have got an idea : can we ameliorate the pressure of the shaft > that drive this tiny idler by mounting a tube of thermoretractable > insulation around the driving shaft... is it possible ? > > I tested two MR-1, it seems that they both needs the upgrade as they have > difficulties to rewind some cassettes. > > Regards, Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 15:40:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:40:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <003101c14c81$144f0660$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001401c14c24$457c6b40$d5289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Please add nakmaniak at yahoo.com on your MR-1 distribution list. :-) Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > Hi Matyas > I forgot to add my email to your list for MR1 schematics. Kindly send it to > my email kannan_s at vsnl.com / which has 5 mB space anyway to receive any > massive files. > Thanks in advance > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 17:43:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:43:17 +0700 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Stephen and all, Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to +24V/gnd ? Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? I am thinking of disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and is not that 'clean' during pb. Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is this normal or did I miss something again ? Best regards, Salim SM PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 17:56:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:56:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > regards ken > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > is so, though it does make sense. > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > that point, the data stream should already been > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > claims above. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 18:04:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:04:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002101c14c25$0ac3f580$d5289bca@smarzuki> Forgot to ask .. does anynody know if we can buy that SMD to regular DIP 'adaptor' ? I found a cheaper source of OP275 but in SMD form - and still too lazy to etch custom pcb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > regards ken > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:19:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:19:36 -0400 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > +24V/gnd ? The advantage is that you can reference both input and output to ground, alleviating the need for coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on surges. > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a bridge for +12V. > I am thinking of > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > is not that 'clean' during pb. Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all you need it for is the op amp input reference, the current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with a film cap. > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > this normal or did I miss something again ? This is the caps charging up and is normal for single supply operation. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 18:27:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:27:16 -0600 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006601c14cf1$6f3d4440$323442cf@sank1> It is possible to make a split supply from a non-center-tapped transformer, but, it is hard to make one with good +/- voltage tracking when significant current is needed. Also, there may be circuits in the 482 that need the +24 single supply, at least without modifications. The primary advantage of split supply is the reduced need for DC blocking caps in the signal path. Your DC transient during turn on/off sounds normal enough. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > +24V/gnd ? Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? I am thinking of > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: anybody care to explain how to measure deck's THD using pc software ? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:23:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <002101c14c25$0ac3f580$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC8D1C.325F7234@concentric.net> You can buy such adapter PCBs in Electronics supply stores. I got several some years ago -- can't remember where. You can also utilize small pieces of breadboard PCBs, if you are handy with a soldering iron. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Forgot to ask .. does anynody know if we can buy that SMD to regular DIP > 'adaptor' ? I found a cheaper source of OP275 but in SMD form - and still > too lazy to etch custom pcb. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 4 18:29:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:29:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <007001c14cf1$cec48720$323442cf@sank1> I definitely question LC Audio's preference for the AD825. Besides the fact that I'm not convinced in general that it's a better piece than the OP275/176 type, the need for an SMD-DIP adapter may negate any advantage. As far as I have seen, this adapter is not a stock item from common sources. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it > a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of > the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > > is so, though it does make sense. > > > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > > that point, the data stream should already been > > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > > claims above. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 18:46:41 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:46:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is 1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of surviving the following cables/circuitry. This implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not believe them. YMMV. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Interesting comment on that LCaudio page regarding 'settling time' ... is it > a marketing gimmick or true 'missing link' on spectalk ? Too bad none of > the opamps mentioned available locally except 275. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > Ken Lee wrote: > > > > > > Some interesting comparisons between various op amps > > > (including the OP275) can be viewed at > > > http//www.Icaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > regards ken > > > > People will find it easier to view the site if they > > add a colon following 'http' and use 'L' instead of > > 'I' in the URL above, as in > > > > http://www.Lcaudio.com/ad825.htm > > > > The site is interesting. Seems to me the AD825 is a > > gross overkill (at a high price) over the other op amps, > > including those originally supplied in most CD players. > > Before spending over 20 bucks per op amp replacement, I > > would try replacing with OPA-2134s (or OP-275, where > > FET input is not required), at $3 or so apiece. > > > > Their stable oscillator, though, could improve the > > sound of most cheaper players that can utilize it. > > Some authorities maintain that jitter in DACs clock > > is cause for rough, grainy sound. I am not sure this > > is so, though it does make sense. > > > > In any reasonable design, jitter at the DAC input is > > determined by jitter of the internal player clock (at > > that point, the data stream should already been > > synchronized to the internal clock and jitter produced > > by previous circuitry all but eliminated). Their stable > > clock circuit could be used to prove (or disprove) the > > claims above. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:54:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:54:23 +0200 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim, this surge is normal, as you may know it, the DC output of an Op-amp is equal to the middle of the power supply voltage. So, if you have just +12 V and gnd ((gnd + 12 V)/2), the middle is 6 Volt offset. If you have a +12 V / -12 V, the middle value is (-12 V + +12 V)/2 = O Volt. The short surge is normal, it is linked to the time constant of the cap you are using (time required to the cap to be charged, before this lapse of time, the capacitor is a short circuit, so conductive.)-time to block the 6 volts-. It is useless to get rid of it. The only way to proceed is to install a very small value cap (short charging time) for the output coupling. But it is out of question, as it will kill any low frequencies as to increase THD as well !!! I see you about to complain on the +12 V uncleanness. This 12 V line is used by all the machine...no ? Whether it is any other power line higher than 12 V in the 482, you can use it and take your 12 V after a regulator to install in. You should also to know that the modern op-amps have really good power supply rejection (of the AC noise). So, let see it as a great feature ! As they are low power, try out to power the op-amp with two 9 volt batteries. Like this: one + pole of a battery and one - pole of the other, should be linked together, this point is the reference Zero & should be connected to the ground of the 482. Then the unconnected + and - are to be linked to the op-amp. Like this, you have perfect power sources & the output can be direct coupled by this way. Good luck, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 3 19:12:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 00:12:29 +0700 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003701c14c2e$95a7e720$d5289bca@smarzuki> Ron, thanks for the instant reply ! Eliminating the caps is my goal in using +/-12V source ... to justify OP275 instead of 4558. :-) Transfomer is bridged for 24V and the 12V came from a 4558. Would additional transformer worth any sonics improvement without the output caps ? Those lytics already bypassed with 100n film caps though. Another stupid question: will using 100uF cap to clean up line put some 'stress' on the 4558 which was used to derive 12V line ? (from charging cycle etc). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared to > > +24V/gnd ? > > The advantage is that you can reference both input > and output to ground, alleviating the need for > coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on > surges. > > > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? > > Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a > bridge for +12V. > > > I am thinking of > > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors and > > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all > you need it for is the op amp input reference, the > current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor > with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high > frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with > a film cap. > > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output (even > > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... is > > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > This is the caps charging up and is normal for single > supply operation. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 4 19:52:26 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:52:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <017601c14cfd$540f24c0$8bf63fd0@oemcomputer> Ron wrote > Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > believe them. YMMV. > Out of curiosity why? also if you look at the sites amplifier for sale it has a bizzare theory of biamping. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 21:05:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:05:35 -0400 Subject: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) References: <00a701c14af3$84fa7780$42d60192@vsnl> <002101c14ade$1c735480$d8289bca@smarzuki> <001501c14c24$49ceae60$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC8C18.86B70822@concentric.net> <003701c14c2e$95a7e720$d5289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BBCB2FF.A0A42932@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, thanks for the instant reply ! > > Eliminating the caps is my goal in using +/-12V source ... to justify OP275 > instead of 4558. :-) Transfomer is bridged for 24V and the 12V came from a > 4558. Would additional transformer worth any sonics improvement without the > output caps ? Depends on who you ask... There will be a theoretical improvement, that's for sure. Whether you can hear it is a different question. > Those lytics already bypassed with 100n film caps though. > > Another stupid question: will using 100uF cap to clean up line put some > 'stress' on the 4558 which was used to derive 12V line ? (from charging > cycle etc). Not if it is preceded with a series 1K resistor. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: 1V 482 ... (was Re: [naktalk] Op amp vdd / vss) > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ron, Stephen and all, > > > > > > Ron, thanks again for the schematics ! Turned out I did reference the > > > output to ground, revealing how smart I am on this EE topic. :-) It > > > worked allright after connecting the input / feedback to 12V. > > > > > > Another question, is there any advantage of using +/-12V supply compared > to > > > +24V/gnd ? > > > > The advantage is that you can reference both input > > and output to ground, alleviating the need for > > coupling caps. Also, you reduce or eliminate turn-on > > surges. > > > > > Is it possible to create -12V out of non-center-tapped > > > transformer or am I forced to use separate trafo ? > > > > Not if the non-center-tapped winding already has a > > bridge for +12V. > > > > > I am thinking of > > > disposing the output caps ... anyway the 12V line on 482 is for motors > and > > > is not that 'clean' during pb. > > > > Shouldn't be too difficult to clean it up. If all > > you need it for is the op amp input reference, the > > current is very little. Use a series 1K resistor > > with 100uf or larger electrolytic. For best high > > frequency response, bypass the electrolytic with > > a film cap. > > > > > Stephen, during turn-on there's a 1 to 2 Vdc surge on opamp's output > (even > > > with caps installed) which was cured by muting transistor 2sc2878 .... > is > > > this normal or did I miss something again ? > > > > This is the caps charging up and is normal for single > > supply operation. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 4 22:01:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:01:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <3BBB59CE.6912445D@concentric.net> <001601c14c24$4d3f1d00$d5289bca@smarzuki> <3BBC9271.230D2BA0@concentric.net> <017601c14cfd$540f24c0$8bf63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BBCC036.115643D7@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > Ron wrote > > > Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > believe them. YMMV. > > > > Out of curiosity why? Because these specs do not affect the audio performance of the op amp. OTOH, they do make it more sensitive to noise and transients and do increase its cost. -- Ron > also if you look at the sites amplifier for sale it has a bizzare > theory of biamping. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Thu Oct 4 23:28:05 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:28:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Modify the Nakamichi PA5 Message-ID: <000e01c14d1b$7575e180$bd8855c3@amd> Hello Naktalkers, I have replaced the resistors with a higher value (from 2.1K to 8,2 K) and i must say that i can hear a difference but hard to discribe. I've listened to short to the old configuration but in my opinion the amp sounds better then before. I must say that after listening for 15 years at the Harman/Kardon HK870 poweramp it is difficult to switch to another amp without listening longer than a couple of weeks at it. The HK sounds so familiar but the Nakamichi PA5 sounds much better , much more dept, not so agressive high tones and cleaner low. Still i have the feeling that the lowest tones (i called it the thunderstorm rumble sounds better on the HK. (But i wonder if that is natural?) I could not buy the 150Uf capacitors at the moment but maybe in the future i could do that modification also. Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 5 00:04:02 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:04:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Matyas, Hmmm, I'd better decline from the offer because the schematics would be different to the BX-300. Thanks once again for your help. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas [mailto:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 9:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Hi Tom & all ! What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 (but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the adjustment steps. About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from him soon. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > HI Matyas, > > Thanks for the reply. I don't own a MR-1 but I do own a BX-300, hoping the mechanics and some electronics (logic etc) are the same. I can receive up to 10 meg download on my e-mail. My e-mail address is tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au > > Thanks again for the reply and thank you Matyas. > > Regards Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Oct 5 01:19:23 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:19:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 In-Reply-To: References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004190053.01f85360@mail.verizon.net> Thanks, Matyas I have the owner's manual since I purchased the machine new in 1992. What I need is a map of the trimpots on the chassis for adjusting levels, bias, and eq. This machine, purportedly a professional model, has none of those adjustments where they can be easily accessed - a major flaw for a pro machine. I overlooked it at the time since the discrete head design and the ability rack mount this deck were my primary concern. Then there's that dangerous and stupid design which places the record button right below and almost touching the play button. In general, I much prefer the 582. One of these days I'll go inside and swap the wires between the rewind and the FF buttons. (FF is on the left and rewind is on the right!) Another stupid design but not lethal like the MR-1 record-play button placement. __________________________Marc Stager ======================================== At 10/4/01, you wrote: >Hi Tom & all ! > >What I propose you, as I said, is ONLY the schematic diagrams of the MR-1 >(but complete). It is not coming from the service manual, it is a document >that was coming with the owner manual. It do not contain any of the >adjustment steps. > >About the Owner's Manual of the MR-1, I have also scanned & PDFized it >already, the file is about 1 Mo. I send it to Wouter & I hope to hear from >him soon. > >Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Oct 5 01:43:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:43:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just for the vintage Nak collectors - a silver 610 preamplifier Message-ID: <133.29bab05.28ee4e3a@aol.com> Enjoy and happy bidding! -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1280975274 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khambawati at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 02:47:40 2001 From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:47:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response Stephen and Kannan. Here is what the technician says about the part: "As taken from service manual, page53, section C03 Item #37) Main Chassis ass'y Part # CA08347A" Best regards, Debashish Chakravarti Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand fixing it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails >This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The >complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly >reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given the >following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis as >the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, >which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is >no longer available." > >2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to >leave for India in another twenty days? > >D.Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Oct 5 03:25:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:25:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: Message-ID: <00a401c14d3c$98000840$323442cf@sank1> That is the front of the two main transport chassis plates. It contains no bearings, only nylon moldings for the pinch arm shafts' press fittings, transport main mounts, and various other functions. I actually have a brand new one of these in stock, but have never had occassion to use it, as all problems encountered with cracked moldings have been totally repairable. I expect that my first suspicion was correct. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > Thanks for the quick response Stephen and Kannan. Here is what the > technician says about the part: > > "As taken from service manual, page53, section C03 > Item #37) Main Chassis ass'y Part # CA08347A" > > Best regards, > Debashish Chakravarti > > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:03 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > It depends on exactly what the technician is referring to as a bearing. > Can't think of anything meeting the description, off hand, that would be > remotely subject to cracking. I suspect that the reference is to one of the > pinch roller arm pivot shaft press-fitting moldings, which will crack if one > is inexperienced(and frankly lacking in a bit of common sense) with trying > to remove a roller arm from the shaft when the shaft grease has turned into > cement. This is a totally fixable condition. Since you're leaving for > India soon, I would have offered to trade LX-3's with you, as I had a nice > one ready to go, but I sold it a few weeks ago. Will you be returning at > some point? Or should we see if Kannan will be near enough to lend a hand > fixing it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debashish Chakravarti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > > > >This is about an LX-3 about which I have written earlier on Naktalk.The > >complaint was that the right channel was consistently showing slightly > >reduced playback levels. The technician who opened up the deck has given > the > >following prognosis:"This(examination) has revealed the main sub-chassis > as > >the root of the problem.There is a bearing cast into this chassis plate, > >which has broken.The only solution is chassis replacement, but the part is > >no longer available." > > > >2. Is there any solution for someone in Ottawa, Canada who is planning to > >leave for India in another twenty days? > > > >D.Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 5 08:15:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:45:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. Message-ID: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding around the area. I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not >believe them. YMMV. > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 08:15:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:15:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 travails References: <00a401c14d3c$98000840$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c14c9c$1db69a40$f2299bca@smarzuki> Great Scott ! I just remembered Scott almost tried to heat RX shaft insitu using solder gun ... which could melt this moulding / bearing thing ... and would be difficult to fix ! Well, that is certainly not worth experimenting. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Cc: "Debashish Chakravarti" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 travails > That is the front of the two main transport chassis plates. It contains no > bearings, only nylon moldings for the pinch arm shafts' press fittings, > transport main mounts, and various other functions. I actually have a brand > new one of these in stock, but have never had occassion to use it, as all > problems encountered with cracked moldings have been totally repairable. I > expect that my first suspicion was correct. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 11:44:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:44:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20011004190053.01f85360@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Hello Marc ! There is no trimpot map, but they can be easily be found as their name are referenced both in the schematics and in the deck... and the diagram construction is really clear..not like the Dragon. Then you will have received the diagrams,whether you are lost into, I could tell you which one serves for. I have not heard yet the MR-1 but to what a friend have said me, its top end is quite dirty, a general mat sound, with very well controlled basses. (one have lent him two of them) Not really a Nakamichi sound...surely it is due to the XLR output that are actually oxidized ! Oh ! and I forgot to mention they are MR-1 B (with the white sticker on the bottom cover-thanks Scott!-) The tapes that was sounding the best in these MR-1b was tapes made in a Revox B-215-S...and even not the 1000ZXL tapes ! I should go for listen these strange Naks. Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > Thanks, Matyas > > I have the owner's manual since I purchased the machine new in > 1992. What I need is a map of the trimpots on the chassis for > adjusting levels, bias, and eq. > > This machine, purportedly a professional model, has none of > those adjustments where they can be easily accessed - a > major flaw for a pro machine. I overlooked it at the time since > the discrete head design and the ability rack mount this deck were > my primary concern. Then there's that dangerous and stupid > design which places the record button right below and almost > touching the play button. > > In general, I much prefer the 582. One of these days > I'll go inside and swap the wires between the rewind and the FF > buttons. (FF is on the left and rewind is on the right!) Another > stupid design but not lethal like the MR-1 record-play button > placement. > > __________________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Oct 5 14:14:31 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:14:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: Hello Stephen / Nick, You may remember that I was calling your help for my 700II some week ago... It was for a remounting of the front panel...causing the pause button to be activated ad aeternam. I have received an interesting method of repair for the keypad from Stephen, and I must say that I didn't find yet courage to attack once again the monster... However, probably you will find intersting that I'd delve in my mess a Pressure pad lifter for a 480... I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) Still : The problem seems to be elecrical. I must wait about 2 hours of warming up for I can play with it, before this time, the deck go on pause after 5 sec. I think about the capacitor that is used for the *mute* initial period during the power turn-on. It should be replaced, like all other I guess... I was complaining about the 700II sound...too quickly .. I cannot even imagine what audiophile sound it will have with any capacitor replaced !!! The tape tension problem that it had is by now solved, guess from what it was coming ! ...From the pinch roller bearings !!! As Stephen said, they are not made to be dismounted, damn they ! It is rather convinient to take off the head block, then I have let drop a lot of pure isopropyl alcohol in the bearing, then make spin the pinch with the tip of a coton swab for a long while...and repeat and repeat... 'till they spin free, and it is OK by now. Just a question: How to adjust the general capstan speed ? (rec speed) Many thanks, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Oct 5 14:53:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:53:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi my friend! > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > Still : The problem seems to be elecrical. > I must wait about 2 hours of warming up for I can play with it, before > this > time, the deck go on pause after 5 sec. > [Igritski Nick] I experienced the same goddamn problem with my own 700, but, if memory serves, I cured it by spraying some graphite lubricant (Kontakt Chemie) (or what they call it in English) into that "female" connector mounted on the key-pad PCB. Did you already try it? > Just a question: How to adjust the general capstan speed ? (rec speed) > [Igritski Nick] There's a trim pot on the small PCB mounted straight under the capstan motor. [Igritski Nick] Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 15:40:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:40:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000e01c14cda$194ddfc0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, I believe 480's padlifter is 'full-sized' to fit the R/P head, which I'd really like to own one for my nakai deck. Hey, how's with your new 682 ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi my friend! > > > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > > > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Oct 5 16:08:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, buddy! The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an NR200! Cheers Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > Hi Nick, I believe 480's padlifter is 'full-sized' to fit the R/P head, > which I'd really like to own one for my nakai deck. > > Hey, how's with your new 682 ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Hi my friend! > > > > > I have mounted it with sucess on the 700II PB head : IT WORKS !!! ;o) > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Does it? How did you manage to haft it onto that head? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Oct 5 16:32:04 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:32:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heath AA-2500 Message-ID: <009101c14daa$82419640$3e031fac@brianm> Has anyone on here heard of the Heath AA-2500 amp? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com/ John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 5 18:09:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', etc.. This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps were available. These days are long gone. Today, there are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, except for the very best). As always, this assumes correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll sound like garbage). Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside the chip are located very close together, making for accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete transistors. Many important specifications, such as power supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply unattainable with discrete circuits. If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding > around the area. > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > >believe them. YMMV. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Oct 5 19:03:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:03:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> Message-ID: <018f01c14dbf$ad429a00$323442cf@sank1> I just want to say that I disagree with you, again. I do agree that there are excellent sounding opamp IC's, but just ask anyone who has owned simultaneously a Nak 700 or 1000 and a CR-7, ZX-9, etc. which sound they think is best. I believe you will find that the universal answer will be "neither- both are great in their own way". While IC's have advantages in thermal tracking & such, they don't necessarily outweigh the potential advantages of discrete designs. For instance, I don't know of any opamp IC that is a single ended design, which have half as complex distortion harmonics, hence half as objectionable(or better) artifacts. Designs such as the Pass Aleph amplifier demonstrate this advantage very well. Then there is the fact that a discrete design allows one to use much higher current/power components, which can further reduce artifacts. I'm not saying that discrete is universally preferrable to IC's in audio circuits, or vice versa. Just that there is no perfect argument in either direction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than > integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile > religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are > better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', > etc.. > > This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were > in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps > were available. These days are long gone. Today, there > are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, > any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, > except for the very best). As always, this assumes > correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op > amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll > sound like garbage). > > Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside > the chip are located very close together, making for > accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete > transistors. Many important specifications, such as power > supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply > unattainable with discrete circuits. > > If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled > with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is > purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. > > -- Ron > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general shielding > > around the area. > > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is worthwhile > > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs opamp > > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > >believe them. YMMV. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 5 19:50:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:50:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op Amps. References: <00a301c14d65$2f91bb40$42d60192@vsnl> <3BBDDB28.AFC9A785@concentric.net> <018f01c14dbf$ad429a00$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BBDF2DD.112613BB@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I just want to say that I disagree with you, again. I do agree that there > are excellent sounding opamp IC's, but just ask anyone who has owned > simultaneously a Nak 700 or 1000 and a CR-7, ZX-9, etc. which sound they > think is best. I believe you will find that the universal answer will be > "neither- both are great in their own way". While IC's have advantages in > thermal tracking & such, they don't necessarily outweigh the potential > advantages of discrete designs. For instance, I don't know of any opamp IC > that is a single ended design, which have half as complex distortion > harmonics, hence half as objectionable(or better) artifacts. I am not sure what 'half as complex distortion harmonics' means, but I'll state this: Take any SE design, rearrange it as push-pull, and this will eliminate all even harmonics, without affecting the odd harmonics at all. IOW, everything else being equal, p-p always has *less* THD than SE, not more. The reason that worship for SE is another esoteric audio fallacy is that it has abundance of even harmonics (that psychoacoustically sound pleasanter to our ears than the dissonant odd harmonics), they mask odd harmonics and make the sound seem mellower, 'warmer' and 'richer'. This is most apparent in tube amps. However, by no means are SE amps (even close to) as accurate as p-p amps. > as the Pass Aleph amplifier demonstrate this advantage very well. Then > there is the fact that a discrete design allows one to use much higher > current/power components, which can further reduce artifacts. I don't know that higher current components reduce artifacts. I *will* agree that in cases where higher current is needed, op-amps are not the first (or best, or even reasonable) choice. > I'm not saying that discrete is universally preferrable to IC's in audio > circuits, or vice versa. Just that there is no perfect argument in either > direction. I agree that both have their place -- never said otherwise. However, for low to mid level voltage gain stages, op amps easily beat discrete circuitry, just about every time. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > The idea that discrete circuitry is somehow better than > > integrated op amps is another of the esoteric audiophile > > religious beliefs, along with 'NFB is bad', 'tubes are > > better than SS', 'gold plated connectors sound better', > > etc.. > > > > This bias stems form the good old days when op amps were > > in their infancy and only general purpose cheapo op amps > > were available. These days are long gone. Today, there > > are integrated op amps designed specifically for audio, > > any of which is better than discrete designs (maybe, > > except for the very best). As always, this assumes > > correct utilization of the op amp IC (for example, op > > amps should NEVER be allowed to saturate, or they'll > > sound like garbage). > > > > Integrated op amps are better, because transistors inside > > the chip are located very close together, making for > > accurate temperature matching, impossible with discrete > > transistors. Many important specifications, such as power > > supply rejection, common mode rejection etc., are simply > > unattainable with discrete circuits. > > > > If you need any more proof, just listen to a Nak (filled > > with op amps) and compare to some other deck, that is > > purely discrete circuitry. 'Nough said. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > I have not seen any worth while improvement in such ( super )high speed > > > opamps. Infact it can cause oscillation ( HF and not audible!)if not > > > properly bypassed as well as to take care in soldering and general > shielding > > > around the area. > > > I believe that discrete circuit for very critical opamp area is > worthwhile > > > improvement - I think Ron can give his openion on discrete circuits vs > opamp > > > as he had good design / implementation experience with Audio companies. > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op Amps. > > > > > > > > > > >Settling time only comes into play if the op amp is > > > >excited into ringing. This doesn't occur in analog > > > >audio applications, so I don't see it's relevance to > > > >us. Even if ringing did occur, assuming it's a single > > > >cycle, then the frequency (for T(settle)=1uSec) is > > > >1MHz. A single cycle of 1MHz has no chance of > > > >surviving the following cables/circuitry. This > > > >implies there is no advantage in the AD825 80nS time. > > > > > > > >Likewise, a unity gain BW of 41Mhz is actually a > > > >disadvantage, as is the slew rate of 125V/uSec. They > > > >say the AD825 is sonically better? I, for one, do not > > > >believe them. YMMV. > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 4 20:58:41 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:58:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57C9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001501c14d06$9636c980$901a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that time maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course the akai was also 3 head ... ). Cheers, Salim SM PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to 33.6 and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi, buddy! > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an > NR200! > > Cheers > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 10:07:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:07:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Which BX, Salim? > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that > time > maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) > > Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever > owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course > the akai was also 3 head ... ). > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan > but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to > 33.6 > and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with > the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Hi, buddy! > > > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some > other > > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got > an > > NR200! > > > > Cheers > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 5 11:03:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:03:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Which BX, Salim? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:08:50 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:08:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hello Salim, please add csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:46:15 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:46:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: Hello Nick ! Despite I have lost my October messages, I remember your reply on the pressure pad lifter, that I read yesterday night. It is easy to fit the pad lifter on the play head (as Salim said, the 480/LX-3 model is longer than the 3 head model) the only thing you have to do, is to un-bend and adjust ~170° two claws (these that are not bent to 90°, but the more pronounced bent ones.) this side should face the head mounting plate. To give sufficient attach force to the pad lifter, bent to the inside the laterals sides. As for the keypad problem, yes Nick, I have yet checked & repaired the contact quality of all the connectors in my 700 II, as its main problem was lousy contacts. I know the brand Kontact Chemie, the product I use from them is the Kontact 60. A de-oxidizer/contact optimizer... but you should know it. Thank you for the emplacement of the main speed VR ! Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sat Oct 6 16:19:26 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:19:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now References: Message-ID: <001601c14e72$1fc00240$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Ok M Matyas i send them to you Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Matyas To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now > Does any kind fellow would to send me the messages from the 1st october > 'till 6 october please ? > Best regards, Matyas > > I hate hotmail ! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 17:57:25 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:57:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now References: <001601c14e72$1fc00240$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: Hey Norman ! Thank you a lot my friend !!! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] I have lost the Naktalk messages from 1st october till'now > Ok M > Matyas i send them to you > Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Oct 6 18:46:25 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:46:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 schematic scan ( naktalk-digest V2 #1395) In-Reply-To: <200110061418.QAA04171@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000201c14e86$709fa760$2102a8c0@henry> Salim, How fortuitous! I am a long time BX-125 owner and a new BX-300 owner who just subscribed to the NakTalk list. I need to do some repair on the BX-300 and would really appreciate the schematics for it. If you could forward them to me, as well, that would be great! Tim Jackson (t.h.jackson at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:03:29 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 20:00:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:00:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Yeah, if it ain't onerous for you. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:03 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > > > > Which BX, Salim? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Oct 6 20:08:56 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:08:56 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > Hello Nick ! > Despite I have lost my October messages, I remember your reply on the > pressure pad lifter, that I read yesterday night. > > It is easy to fit the pad lifter on the play head (as Salim said, the > 480/LX-3 model is longer than the 3 head model) the only thing you have to > do, is to un-bend and adjust ~170° two claws (these that are not bent to > 90°, but the more pronounced bent ones.) this side should face the head > mounting plate. > To give sufficient attach force to the pad lifter, bent to the inside the > laterals sides. > > As for the keypad problem, yes Nick, I have yet checked & repaired the > contact quality of all the connectors in my 700 II, as its main problem > was > lousy contacts. > I know the brand Kontact Chemie, the product I use from them is the > Kontact > 60. A de-oxidizer/contact optimizer... but you should know it. > > Thank you for the emplacement of the main speed VR ! > > Regards, Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 6 20:52:35 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:52:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... In-Reply-To: <007d01c14b6f$8a741140$49ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001001c14e98$10490160$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be twisted? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Oct 6 21:38:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:38:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... References: <001001c14e98$10490160$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BBF5DA6.1BB99094@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > twisted? > > Graham When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced series inductance may lead to better speaker damping and most power amps can readily drive the higher capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant enough to matter. As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 6 23:07:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:07:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... In-Reply-To: <3BBF5DA6.1BB99094@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c14eaa$e35fd580$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Ron - that's very clear. One question arising: Apart from hum and noise pick-up, does twisting affect the signal in such a way that it may affect the balance of the sound that it transmitted? For example, twisting affect the spectrum of sound, such that, for example, bass might be increased whilst transients are diminished, or the reverse? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 06 October 2001 20:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... Graham Nelson wrote: > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > twisted? > > Graham When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced series inductance may lead to better speaker damping and most power amps can readily drive the higher capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant enough to matter. As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Oct 7 00:05:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 18:05:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... References: <001101c14eaa$e35fd580$f49386d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BBF802F.EE04A566@concentric.net> All I can say is that inductance is reduced and capacitance increased, both by a very small amount. The exact effect on the response depends on other circuit parameters. In general, though, I'd expect the bass not to be affected, transients and treble to diminish. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Thanks Ron - that's very clear. One question arising: Apart from hum and > noise pick-up, does twisting affect the signal in such a way that it may > affect the balance of the sound that it transmitted? For example, twisting > affect the spectrum of sound, such that, for example, bass might be > increased whilst transients are diminished, or the reverse? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 06 October 2001 20:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cables again ... > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Can anyone explain to me - simply - why some interconnects have to be > > twisted to allegedly sound of their best while others do not have to be > > twisted? > > > > Graham > > When you twist a cable, you reduce its inductance > but increase its capacitance. For long speaker cables, > this is moderately advantageous, since the reduced > series inductance may lead to better speaker damping > and most power amps can readily drive the higher > capacitance. Personally, I chose straight leads for > my front speakers, twisted cables for the rears. > In shorter speaker cables, this is not significant > enough to matter. > > As far as interconnects go, twisting will reduce hum > and noise pickup; it's almost a necessity with unshielded > ones. For shielded interconnects, twisting hardly matters. > Of course, for interconnects that consist of a single > conductor inside a shield, twisting is a non issue. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 7 23:31:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:31:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <000c01c14f75$96ed8140$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof bunkers ... just in case! And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just in case .... ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 07 October 2001 22:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Mon Oct 8 00:12:27 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:12:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] References: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003601c14f7d$263e2dc0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Graham, Yes i have just change my email adress to n.van.wijnen at home.nl (cable) and i'm receiving no emails at all so i wonder what was going on. Yes this are difficult times. A war that must happen but never can won i quess. There are to many Bin Ladens in this world. Thanks for your respons Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof bunkers ... just in case! And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just in case .... ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 07 October 2001 22:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 00:22:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:22:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Oct 7 23:42:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:42:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] References: <000201c14f77$7e817380$b24e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC0CC30.16E56156@concentric.net> >Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all >seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof >bunkers ... just in case! > >And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just >in case .... >;o) > >Gra' Better to London than to Afghanistan :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 8 01:09:38 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:09:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A90@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Salim, Thank you very much for what you ar doing, hope to receive this soon :) Many thanks...Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Friday, 5 October 2001 4:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II Hi Nick, we're still waiting for that peeling feeling ! Uh oh, by that time maybe the 'warranty' has already expired. :-) Excellent find on your NR200 ... that was my first Nakamichi stuff I ever owned back in 80s ... not enough dough to buy real nak deck (and of course the akai was also 3 head ... ). Cheers, Salim SM PS: Thomas, if you're reading this, I've just finished most of the bx scan but will send it from office on monday. My phone line suddenly down to 33.6 and the 1.7mb file will take ages to upload. Anybody else interested with the scan ? or how do I upload it to Wouter ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700II > Hi, buddy! > > The 682 lies under my bed awaiting dismemberment, as there are some other > tweakings in the order of the day. BTW, my numbers have grown - I've got an > NR200! > > Cheers > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 8 06:47:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 05:47:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC0CC30.16E56156@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 07 October 2001 22:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] >Yes Norm - it's working! It's just quiet, I suppose, because the Nakophiles all >seem to have vanished into their biological and chemical proof >bunkers ... just in case! > >And here's me going on a trip to London tomorrow and NOT wanting to go ....just >in case .... >;o) > >Gra' Better to London than to Afghanistan :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Mon Oct 8 09:57:29 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:57:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006701c14fce$f6d50f20$3536fb3e@soulantikas> Hello Salim, Here is one more e-mail for the desperately needed BX-300 schematics. j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl ----- Original Message ----- From: Matyas To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > Hello Salim, please add > csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki > > > > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Oct 8 12:01:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:01:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Matyas, I have never applied that stuff onto any mechanical rubbing parts and would hardly recommend to do so. It works extremely well on mossy trim pots, aged VR sliders etc., but I'm pretty darn sure it was never supposed to be applied onto mechanics. Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. > Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. > I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. > > Matyas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:08 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > Anytime, my friend. And I use Kontakt Chemie Sprühöl 88. > > > > Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:05:07 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:05:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the Saudis say nothing). What a sad and pathetic world we live in. Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:08:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:08:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim BX300 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57CA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <000601c14d7c$9a9c42e0$aa299bca@smarzuki> <006701c14fce$f6d50f20$3536fb3e@soulantikas> Message-ID: <000b01c14f3a$b7bd0480$b8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Jannis, I'll send it from the office tomorrow ... 'free' & fast connection, while it lasts. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > Hello Salim, > Here is one more e-mail for the desperately needed BX-300 schematics. > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matyas > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim BX300 > > > > Hello Salim, please add > > csaba at isuisse.com to your distribution list :-) > > Matyas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki > > > > > > > > > > BX 300 Nick. I promised Thomas to scan the schematics. Interested ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 16:22:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:22:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? Message-ID: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, out of these two budget Naks, which one do you think is 'better' ? i.e. sonics & build. Thanks for your opinion, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 8 16:39:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:39:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> While I am not against the US action, I think it's a show of force, more than anything else. The American public wanted action, so they are giving us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the administration is treating it like it's a burning internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush look good with the least effort. I hope I am wrong. We'll see... -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > Saudis say nothing). > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > Gra' > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 8 17:11:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:11:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? References: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <010401c1500b$8fb12c60$083442cf@sank1> The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s is a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > Hi Nakfellows, out of these two budget Naks, which one do you think is > 'better' ? i.e. sonics & build. > > Thanks for your opinion, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 18:53:50 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:53:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Strange Nick ! In my local electronic parts distributor's book, the Spruhol 88 is described as follow: *"Lubricant for electronics & precision mechanics---SPRUHOL 88" Thanks to its capillary effect, allows a fast lubrication with a high quality oil and without any dismounting, for the parts hardly accessible. * >From Kontakt Chemie, it exists the Kontakt 61 which cleans, lubricate and have an anti corrosive action. Tuner 600, cleans & de-oxidise but without any alteration of the connector's capacity. (as it don't lubricate) Regards, Matyas PS: So, which oil do you use for mechanics ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Matyas, > > I have never applied that stuff onto any mechanical rubbing parts and would > hardly recommend to do so. It works extremely well on mossy trim pots, aged > VR sliders etc., but I'm pretty darn sure it was never supposed to be > applied onto mechanics. > > Best > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:23 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > Nick, I see that the Sprühöl 88 is a high quality oil in spray form. > > Until now, I used Sony oil from my work, but I want to try this spray oil. > > I hope it is sufficiently light for the capstan bearings. > > > > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 18:46:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:46:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? References: <001e01c14f3b$8b205020$b8199bca@smarzuki> <010401c1500b$8fb12c60$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c14f54$71500000$9d1a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen ! Does MB4s use similar mechanism as that of MB1/2/3s ? I have the service manual for 1/2/3 but it there's no mention of 4 on it. If something went wrong with MB1s mechanism would I be able to cannibalize 4's parts ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s is > a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 7 18:35:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:35:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002201c14f54$6e012320$9d1a9bca@smarzuki> Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' country is just unbearable. Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving in to our backyard. Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. Cheers, while we can. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 8 19:20:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:20:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> Politics, uggg! >So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when politics are discussed! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Oct 8 19:38:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:38:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> But, of course... In politics, there are only two kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. :-). -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > Politics, uggg! > > >So far, it looks like the > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > look good with the least effort. > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > politics are discussed! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > the > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > if I > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > are > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > the > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 8 20:31:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:31:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000a01c15027$80bcfba0$bf9b193e@a4s1s2> Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 08 October 2001 18:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron But, of course... In politics, there are only two kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > Thanks Stephen ! > > Does MB4s use similar mechanism as that of MB1/2/3s ? I have the service > manual for 1/2/3 but it there's no mention of 4 on it. If something went > wrong with MB1s mechanism would I be able to cannibalize 4's parts ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB4s or OMS1 ? > > > > The OMS-1 was a pretty dreadful NEC player, so I'd have to say the MB-4s > is > > a much better choice, both sonically & build-wise. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 9 02:11:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:11:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000a01c15027$80bcfba0$bf9b193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC240A5.AEBB46A3@concentric.net> Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because Librans do not believe in anything and I do not believe in Astrology :-). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 08 October 2001 18:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 9 08:12:11 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 02:12:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00b001c15089$55bbd7c0$59ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Ron and others if you want a start at why the US is doing this this is as good as any place to start: Bush's Favorite Afghan A recent article in the New York Times about how college campuses are reacting to the World Trade Center attack cited a characteristic anti-war comment from the Vietnam era. Daniel Ellsberg, the Rand Corp. official who leaked the Pentagon Papers, once said that he doubted that anyone in the Lyndon B. Johnson administration could pass a freshman course in Vietnamese culture and politics. One might have the same kind of worry this time. Afghanistan, after all, is a nation as exotic and remote from the experience of most Americans as Vietnam was in the 1960s. Happily, though, it turns out that there is someone in the George W. Bush administration who could not only pass a freshman course in Afghan culture and politics, but could also easily teach one--and probably has. As it happens, the lead National Security Council official dealing with the region is one Zalmay Khalilzad, an Afghan-born scholar of both the Middle East and military affairs. Judging from things he has written in the past, this little-known defense intellectual is playing a central role in the administration's emerging strategy for combating Islamic terrorism http://slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=10/5/2001&idMessage=8 402 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > a show of force, more than anything else. The > American public wanted action, so they are giving > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > administration is treating it like it's a burning > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > look good with the least effort. > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of the > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know if I > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 are > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even the > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 9 07:38:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:08:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk]Ron Message-ID: <001601c15084$b0a9aea0$42d60192@vsnl> Salim you are fortunate to be in Indonesia not in Pakistan. Indonesia is showing strong democratic resolve ( eventhough Sukarno / Sukarto all the past presidents were dictators in the garb of elected representatives) to elect an educated moderate woman. I think only education will open eyes of any population( out of this religious fundamentalism). Indonesia' economic development in the past decade had put your country in devloping nations group unlike Pakistan ( they had gone back to absolute dictatorship with no economic development - people carry submachine guns and fundamentalism is a way of life) In Pakistan only elite masses can afford to live! Not middleclass moderates Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > >Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' >country is just unbearable. > >Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement >over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. >Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat >incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a >woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people >on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving in >to our backyard. > >Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. > >Cheers, while we can. :-) >Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 08:36:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:36:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC240A5.AEBB46A3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Heh! Heh! Yeah - I'd already guessed you'd not believe in astrology - that's why I said it!!! ;o) Only kidding you! Gra' PS I don't believe in it either; however, I've never been able to explain how the former manager of The Sutherland Brothers band was able to tell someone's birth sign within a few minutes of meeting them. Seen him get it right 9 times out of 10, which is way better than you'd expect with random guesses. It was his "party piece". Very scary for someone who *doesn't* believe in astrology ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 October 2001 01:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because Librans do not believe in anything and I do not believe in Astrology :-). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Tue Oct 9 12:20:46 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:20:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000401c14fb4$50c54e20$8f5087d9@a4s1s2> <000a01c14f39$12e34920$53289bca@smarzuki> <3BC1BA91.7C532350@concentric.net> <054301c1501d$946efd60$7a2bfea9@brianm> <3BC1E4AE.428E4C88@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003f01c150ac$ed0661e0$253dfb3e@soulantikas> As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Politics, uggg! > > > > >So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > > politics are discussed! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > > the > > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > > if I > > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > > are > > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > > the > > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 8 13:47:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:47:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <001601c15084$b0a9aea0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002001c14ff0$baba4740$10299bca@smarzuki> Kannan, how come you're so ... Javanese ! If one's hit by a car, Javanese people over here used to say that he's damn lucky not to get hit by a bus. But of course you're right, can't imagine living in pakistan right now (maybe also more difficult to find naks there). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > Salim > you are fortunate to be in Indonesia not in Pakistan. Indonesia is showing > strong democratic resolve ( eventhough Sukarno / Sukarto all the past > presidents were dictators in the garb of elected representatives) to elect > an educated moderate woman. I think only education will open eyes of any > population( out of this religious fundamentalism). Indonesia' economic > development in the past decade had put your country in devloping nations > group unlike Pakistan ( they had gone back to absolute dictatorship with no > economic development - people carry submachine guns and fundamentalism is a > way of life) > In Pakistan only elite masses can afford to live! Not middleclass moderates > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > >Well, I also hope you are wrong ... the thought of hitting the 'wrong' > >country is just unbearable. > > > >Back to Graham's comment, even the so called Moslem organisation's movement > >over here was also a matter of politics - to shake current administration. > >Firstly the previous / toppled President (charismatic but somewhat > >incapable) was from the largest Moslem party, secondly we now have a > >woman-president ... in the largest moslem country. Other than that people > >on the streets don't really care about this Osama guy, unless he's moving > in > >to our backyard. > > > >Damn ! As if there's not enough problems lately. > > > >Cheers, while we can. :-) > >Salim SM > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Oct 9 16:15:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:15:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Ron References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC3066A.98E56211@concentric.net> There's always some rational explanation to these 'party tricks'. Reminds me of a story about Sir Konan Doyle. He met a friend on the train, that remarked, "I perceive, Sir Doyle, that you are wearing red underpants today." Doyle was absolutely amazed at his friend's powers of observation and demanded to know what clued him in. "Elementary, my dear Doyle" said the friend, "you forgot to put your trousers on." -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Heh! Heh! Yeah - I'd already guessed you'd not believe in astrology - > that's why I said it!!! ;o) > > Only kidding you! > > Gra' > > PS > I don't believe in it either; however, I've never been able to explain how > the former manager of The Sutherland Brothers band was able to tell > someone's birth sign within a few minutes of meeting them. Seen him get it > right 9 times out of 10, which is way better than you'd expect with random > guesses. It was his "party piece". Very scary for someone who *doesn't* > believe in astrology ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 09 October 2001 01:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > Actually, I *am* a Libran. Makes sense, too, because > Librans do not believe in anything and I do not > believe in Astrology :-). > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Belly ROFLOL!!!! You're not a Gemini or a Libran, then Ron!! ;o) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 18:37:09 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:37:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Hi Nakers, Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering bidding on one listed on ebay. Thank you very much Brian Stocker > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Oct 9 18:46:05 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:46:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called many times! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Hi Nakers, > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering bidding on one > listed on ebay. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 19:45:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:45:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <3BC337CF.DDBED269@pacbell.net> Thanks for the reply Brian. So, I assume that you bought this as a non working item or did you send it to Nak for a general servicing. Stephen is the only person to whom I would send any audio gear for service, by the way. Brian Stocker Brian Miller wrote: > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called > many times! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Oct 9 19:52:38 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:52:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <3BC337CF.DDBED269@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <008301c150eb$2fe1fa40$7a2bfea9@brianm> I sent it for general service, I had the guy I bought it from send it directly to Nak. So I never even saw it until I recieved it from Nak. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 9 20:31:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:31:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple electronic problems. The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best tuners. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o every > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I called > many times! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:35:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:35:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <003f01c150ac$ed0661e0$253dfb3e@soulantikas> Message-ID: <000001c150f1$316927c0$685587d9@a4s1s2> That's right! And they should all do as I say, not as I do!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of J. Soulantikas Sent: 09 October 2001 11:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:35:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:35:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Ron In-Reply-To: <3BC3066A.98E56211@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000601c150f1$35b24320$685587d9@a4s1s2> LOL! Nice one, Ron! And if you ever figure out how that guy used to guess star signs, let me know! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 October 2001 15:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron There's always some rational explanation to these 'party tricks'. Reminds me of a story about Sir Konan Doyle. He met a friend on the train, that remarked, "I perceive, Sir Doyle, that you are wearing red underpants today." Doyle was absolutely amazed at his friend's powers of observation and demanded to know what clued him in. "Elementary, my dear Doyle" said the friend, "you forgot to put your trousers on." -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 9 21:06:27 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:06:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > electronic problems. > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > tuners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > every > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > called > > many times! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > bidding on one > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 21:23:05 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story In-Reply-To: <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011009192305.33937.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Brian, Since you brought up the Nak TD-700 car deck I thought I would share a story. Years ago all my friends were getting Nak car decks after hearing my TD-500 in my car. One friend saw at TD-700 in the Recycler newspaper in non-working condition for cheap. I didn't have time to go with him to take a look at it and check it out for him so I gave him some pointers. 1) If it's looks like it's going to require a lot of work to repair, don't buy it! 2) If too many pieces are missing, don't buy it. 3) If it looks like it's tweaked, don't buy it. He calls me later to say that he bought it. He brings it over to me that night, IN THREE BAGS. The butcher that he bought it from tried to repair it and almost complete disassembled it. All the pieces he could find were in three plastic grocery bags. You can imagine how pissed I was, because he expected me to fix and reassemble it. It actually didn't take that long. I was surprised. It was about 1.5 hours to get it to the point where I could test it and determine what the original problem was. I had the service manual so I wrote down all the part numbers of parts and screws. The next day he went over to Nakamichi in Torrance (I live about 10 miles away) and bought all the parts I told him to get and reassembled it in another hour. It's been so long I can't remember what was wrong with it. It might have been the infamous brown glue crap shorting out the reel hub sensor, a 5 minute diagnosis and repair job for someone where knows what their looking for. This deck was for his father who just had his second Becker stereo stolen out of his Mercedes. To help lessen the likelyhood of that one getting stolen my friend asked if I could put a blinking red light on the deck. I put the front panel on the drill press and drilled a hole almost all the way through. I glued a T-1 red led in place and wired it to a NE555 timer circuit that ran off +12V. The circuit I added fit completely in the deck and was wired to the completely inside the deck. When I was finished it looked beautiful. I hope you guys don't mind the long story. SJ --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Hi Nakers, > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. > I am considering bidding on one > listed on ebay. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 9 21:37:34 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:37:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story References: <20011009192305.33937.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007a01c150f9$d8ec2d00$53756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Wonderful, that's what friends are for, right? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD-700 story > Brian, > > Since you brought up the Nak TD-700 car deck I thought > I would share a story. > > Years ago all my friends were getting Nak car decks > after hearing my TD-500 in my car. One friend saw at > TD-700 in the Recycler newspaper in non-working > condition for cheap. I didn't have time to go with > him to take a look at it and check it out for him so I > gave him some pointers. > > 1) If it's looks like it's going to require a lot of > work to repair, don't buy it! 2) If too many pieces > are missing, don't buy it. 3) If it looks like it's > tweaked, don't buy it. > > He calls me later to say that he bought it. He brings > it over to me that night, IN THREE BAGS. The butcher > that he bought it from tried to repair it and almost > complete disassembled it. All the pieces he could > find were in three plastic grocery bags. You can > imagine how pissed I was, because he expected me to > fix and reassemble it. > > It actually didn't take that long. I was surprised. > It was about 1.5 hours to get it to the point where I > could test it and determine what the original problem > was. I had the service manual so I wrote down all the > part numbers of parts and screws. The next day he > went over to Nakamichi in Torrance (I live about 10 > miles away) and bought all the parts I told him to get > and reassembled it in another hour. > > It's been so long I can't remember what was wrong with > it. It might have been the infamous brown glue crap > shorting out the reel hub sensor, a 5 minute diagnosis > and repair job for someone where knows what their > looking for. > > This deck was for his father who just had his second > Becker stereo stolen out of his Mercedes. To help > lessen the likelyhood of that one getting stolen my > friend asked if I could put a blinking red light on > the deck. I put the front panel on the drill press > and drilled a hole almost all the way through. I > glued a T-1 red led in place and wired it to a NE555 > timer circuit that ran off +12V. The circuit I added > fit completely in the deck and was wired to the > completely inside the deck. When I was finished it > looked beautiful. > > I hope you guys don't mind the long story. > > SJ > > > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Hi Nakers, > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. > > I am considering bidding on one > > listed on ebay. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 9 21:53:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Stephen, Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? Thanks in advance! Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > electronic problems. > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > tuners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Oct 9 21:56:22 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:56:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry & Ultimate Car system References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC35666.82D4877D@snip.net> If you have room for a double DIN installation, the ideal car audio system would be a high quality CD-player or changer front end with an AUX input and then run your TD-700 or 1200 into the aux. input. I recently sent my TD-1200II to Stephen to have him install "rec out" rca outputs on my TD-1200II so that I can run it's signal, before the volume, tone or balance controls, directly into the AUX input of a NAK CD player or changer I am getting (I'm trying to decide between the CD-700 and the MB-100). This way I get first quality FM and CD performance, while getting a "Dragon in the car" for cassette playback. Incidentally, many factory systems with both CD and cassette playback are in a double DIN installation so this "recommended" system is an easy, if somewhat expensive, installation. And if you are going to be installing amps and speakers to upgrade your car system and you already have the TD-700 or 1200, why not go for it? Furthermore, according to Stephen, my TD-1200II can easily be converted back into a full featured head unit. I highly recommend this approach for any fellow NAK talkers who want CD playback while retaining their NAK quality tape playback. Incidentally, for any NAK talker who might be interested, I have an extra TD-1200II available which could be used as a stand alone "Dragon in the car" albeit with only so-so FM or could be converted for use with a CD capable head unit as I've described above. If interested, contact me off NAK talk. britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations > either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > > every > > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > > called > > > many times! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > > bidding on one > > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:05:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:05:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC34AB5.ACB307FC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <027301c1511f$54862cc0$083442cf@sank1> Apparently, one just got over $400 on ebay, which is the highest I have ever seen for a TD-700. Usually, $250-300 average. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Thank you very much Stephen. My region is not known for having the best stations > either so that point is moot. Any idea what the max $$ one should spend on a td700 > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > I bought one on eBay, had it sent to Nak in California and sold it w/o > > every > > > using it. If you have it serviced, talk w/Stephen, service took months at > > > Nak and nobody could ever give me any information when I called and I > > called > > > many times! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:37 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakers, > > > > > > > > Has anybody owned/used/serviced the td 700 car deck. I am considering > > > bidding on one > > > > listed on ebay. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:07:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:07:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Stephen, > > Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 > in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 02:14:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:14:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty repair? Stephen Sank wrote: > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 02:43:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:43:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > repair? > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last ten > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 02:53:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:53:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> Hmmm. As a recognized expert in nak repairs, I'm surprised that you haven't received any repair inquiries on the recent nak car audio gear. Either it isn't selling well or has proven to be very reliable. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. > Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, > back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > > repair? > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last > ten > > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 03:13:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:13:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <031201c15128$cffeab80$083442cf@sank1> I think it is just that car audio circles are fairly well removed from home audio circles. Plus, I have never been in local proximity to any Nak car dealers. I know for a fact that the RD series that followed the TD series was totally unreliable OEM crap, yet I still didn't have any warranty repair requests. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > Hmmm. As a recognized expert in nak repairs, I'm surprised that you > haven't received any repair inquiries on the recent nak car audio gear. > Either it isn't selling well or has proven to be very reliable. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Actually, I am not sure if I have car warranty authorisation or not. > > Haven't had reason to find out since moving here to New Mex, or in fact, > > back east, either. I'd have to call Nak & ask. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry > > > > > Then can I assume that you no longer handle Nakamichi car audio warranty > > > repair? > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Honestly haven't even seen literature on any Nak car stuff in the last > > ten > > > > years, so I can't offer any opinion on the new stuff. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 03:54:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:54:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak TD 700 caraudio cass/tuner inquiry References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> <027b01c1511f$8513fc00$083442cf@sank1> <3BC392E3.98EF943F@earthlink.net> <02cd01c15124$a71617c0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC39C19.6543EBDC@earthlink.net> <031201c15128$cffeab80$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BC3AA3D.578E6521@earthlink.net> I'm assuming that the current nak in-dash CD changers, based on their music bank transports are built in-house and are reliable. If any other nak have any experience with any of the current in-dash CD changers, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > I think it is just that car audio circles are fairly well removed from home > audio circles. Plus, I have never been in local proximity to any Nak car > dealers. I know for a fact that the RD series that followed the TD series > was totally unreliable OEM crap, yet I still didn't have any warranty repair > requests. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 04:05:06 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:05:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Price of BX-300 gear drive upgrade In-Reply-To: <200110100114.DAA29662@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001401c1512f$fbf14390$2102a8c0@henry> Just for reference, does anybody know what should I be paying for a BX-300 gear drive upgrade? I have a quote at $180 which seems about double what I paid for my BX-125 upgrade 10 years ago... Thanks, Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Oct 10 09:06:52 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:06:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Ron Message-ID: MY goodness, that's elegant Ron. Love it. That's the nicest inversion of "If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" that I've heard ever! Cheers, Marc >>> j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl 10/09/01 12:20PM >>> As far as politics (and other things) are concerned I think that everyone is entitled to my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > But, of course... In politics, there are only two > kinds of opinions: those I agree with and hogwash. > :-). > > -- Ron > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Politics, uggg! > > > > >So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > I couldn't disagree more with this hogwash, but thats what happens when > > politics are discussed! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > While I am not against the US action, I think it's > > > a show of force, more than anything else. The > > > American public wanted action, so they are giving > > > us action. It is not even clear the twin tower attack > > > was actually launched by the bin Laden faction alone. > > > Some experts on current terrorist organizations believe > > > it was actually engineered by Imad Mughniyeh (head of > > > the special overseas operations for Hizbulla) and > > > Ayman Al Zawahiri (member of Al-Qaeda). > > > > > > In any case, this is a war between Fundamentalist Islam > > > and Western Civilization. So far, it looks like the > > > administration is treating it like it's a burning > > > internal political issue: how can we make Mr. Bush > > > look good with the least effort. > > > > > > I hope I am wrong. We'll see... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Out of 150++ countries in the entire planet, I happen to live in one of > > the > > > > only 3 countries whose people are against the US action. I don't know > > if I > > > > should be proud or start digging myself a new bunker. BTW the other 2 > > are > > > > pakistan and, surprise, phillipines, or so according to bloomberg (even > > the > > > > Saudis say nothing). > > > > > > > > What a sad and pathetic world we live in. > > > > > > > > Cheers, prost and wish me lots of luck ! :-) > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Ron > > > > > > > > > LOL! Yeah! ;o) You're not wrong there!!! > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 10 10:09:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:09:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT Message-ID: <037b01c15162$dcc92860$083442cf@sank1> This is to let Graham know, since I am too lazy to dig up his personal email address at the moment, that his Sony TCD-D3 DAT portable arrived safely today. Just gave it a quick look over this afternoon, and it looks like we may need just a new plastic threading drive gear or two or three. It's about time you gave me some business, ya' freeloader! On the DAT subject, if anybody is interested, I am suddenly wealthy with nice DAT machines. So, if anyone is interested in either a Sony PCM-2500(best DAT ever, or damn near), a Panasonic SV-3700(not far down from the Sony) or yet another nice Sony TCD-D3 portable(best portable ever), let me know. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 9 15:54:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:54:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers Message-ID: <000f01c150c9$ed3b0040$a1199bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it oem'd from other mfg (heard that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any good ? Thanks much, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 17:02:41 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <000f01c150c9$ed3b0040$a1199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too impressed with them. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Nakfellas, > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > oem'd from other mfg (heard > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any good ? > > Thanks much, > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 10 18:30:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:30:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT References: <037b01c15162$dcc92860$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008501c151a8$f0560790$0d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> What are you asking for on the TCD-D3? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony DAT > This is to let Graham know, since I am too lazy to dig up his personal email > address at the moment, that his Sony TCD-D3 DAT portable arrived safely > today. Just gave it a quick look over this afternoon, and it looks like we > may need just a new plastic threading drive gear or two or three. It's > about time you gave me some business, ya' freeloader! > On the DAT subject, if anybody is interested, I am suddenly wealthy with > nice DAT machines. So, if anyone is interested in either a Sony > PCM-2500(best DAT ever, or damn near), a Panasonic SV-3700(not far down from > the Sony) or yet another nice Sony TCD-D3 portable(best portable ever), let > me know. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 9 19:30:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:30:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c150e8$261aa640$17299bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a Nak home speaker ? The one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway I plan to put the set on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use it for home ... because I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like ! At least I hope the crossover would bear that Nak quality. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and TD1200 Limited ? Found both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is without tuner unit (I can use the spare head), all for $50, what do you suggest ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > Salim, > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end > for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > impressed with them. > > SJ > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 10 19:37:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi In-Reply-To: <00dd01c149cd$d5a70260$30031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000a01c151b2$2ece8700$bfe7193e@a4s1s2> Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan Brian (Forgive the late reply - I started writing this and forgot I'd not finished!) Frankly, no, I don't think all CD players sound the same. I recall when I bought my first CD player, I didn't know what to expect because I'd not heard ANY. The shop played the same CD through the same cables, amps and speakers - just from different CD players. Now, all those CD players looked the same to me, too. All of 'em were black! The one I chose sounded different, slightly less strident than the others yet very detailed. I liked that and so I bought it. I suspect that if you took a Linn LP12 or a VPI or a Project turntable, each of them with a SME V arm, same phono lead and same cartridge, they'd all sound very similar, although there would be inherent differences caused by (I believe) such subtleties as the material of which the platter is made or the quality/type of the motor. However, with CD players, whilst they may have identical transports or even internal DACs they may still sound different I suspect because of a) the layout of the components, b) differences in shielding, and c) esp. the types of components used as I understand many have different sonic signatures. And like the TT's, I also suspect that differences in the quality/type of power supply could cause differences in sound, too. To give an example, the UK mains power supply where I live is very variable. I have a couple of old Aiwa tape decks. The speed stability of those old decks is audible when the machines is plugged directly into the mains. If I put a power regulator, that gives a proper curved sine wave and dead constant current o/p, the improvement in speed stability is very apparent - it's audible if you play a piano recording! However, whilst I've not tried to plug my ZX-9 directly into the wall socket I'm sure it would offer a far better performance than the Aiwa in terms of stability even without a power conditioner ... as I do know my Pioneer CTS830S does. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 20:20:59 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <000501c150e8$261aa640$17299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 and SP-50 combo. Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html Scott J. --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a > Nak home speaker ? The > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway > I plan to put the set > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use > it for home ... because > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like > ! At least I hope the > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and > TD1200 Limited ? Found > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is > without tuner unit (I can > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > suggest ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > Salim, > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > I > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > SP-1010. > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > end > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > SP-10/SP-50 > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > sub. > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > the > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > a > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > impressed with them. > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 10 20:54:23 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:54:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010150241.8727.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BC4995B.DA38FDCD@pacbell.net> ADS used to make great speakers and components, in my opinion. I do not think they are in business any longer (correct me if I am wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak systems for portable/mobile audio. I too am curious about any current collaboration, if one exists. Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you know what this component does: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 Thank you Brian Stocker Scott Johnson wrote: > Salim, > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, I > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single SP-1010. > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom end > for such a smaller speaker. I used the SP-10/SP-50 > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 sub. > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of the > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with a > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > impressed with them. > > SJ > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? 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URL: From smoke at snip.net Wed Oct 10 21:01:59 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Car Head Units & Speakers References: <000001c1508c$b16ae220$826087d9@a4s1s2> <3BC327B6.7808CE17@pacbell.net> <007001c150e1$e3b1f980$7a2bfea9@brianm> <023d01c150f0$923674a0$083442cf@sank1> <3BC355B3.AF16192@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BC49B27.F5B41EFC@snip.net> Based on the research I've been doing for my "ultimate" car audio system, If you want pure, natural sound (not the bass-heavy sound you often hear), the NAK head units are considered the best by those who do high end installations. Especially revealing were the comments from a/d/s installers (a/d/s makes possibly the best speakers and some very good amps) because a/d/s doesn't make head units. Almost uniformly the response I get is that NAK makes the best head units out there on the high end--but they are pricey. The CD-700 is possibly the best single CD player out there they say and it has a pre-amp section second only to the NAK TP-1200 and it has a CD-Changer control so that it can be mated to a NAK MF-51 CD changer, taking the digital out from the MF-51 into the CD-700 directly. But it lists for about $1,700 and you can get it for about $1,050 to $1,100. The TP-1200 is a tuner -preamp only, so you'd have to mate it to a MF-51 and/or a TD-1200II or TD-700 to get CD and/or cassette playback. While it's supposed to be the best preamp out there according to the installers with whom I've checked it's really pricey retailing at over $2,100 and can be found at about $1,700. The MB-100 seems to be the best compromise. It's a 6-disk in a single DIN slot CD-changer with an outboard preamp module and a 24-bit DAC. Some installers say it's preamp section is equal to or maybe a little bit better than the CD-700's, others prefer the CD-700. All agree that the CD-700 is the best CD playback unit NAK makes and maybe the best out there. All agree that the TP-1200 is the best preamp. But all agree that the MB-100 is really really close as both a preamp and for CD playback. However, it doesn't have separate subwoofer out RCA's as does the CD-700. Price is where the MB-100 wins out in my opinion. It retails for about $1,100 and can be found at $650 sometimes. On eBay there's currently a dutch auction today at $650. The best other price I've found has been $663. These are prices for new, in-the-box units with full warranty. Given the price differentials, I'm probably going to go with the MB-100. The rest of my ultimate system will be a/d/s 335c's in the front, a/d/s 235im's or 335im's for rear fill, and an a/d/s 312rs.2 12" aluminum sub in a custom enclosure designed to fit unobtrusively in the trunk for the subwoofer. In addition to my modified NAK TD1200II, I plan to use an a/d/s P4100 (100W x 4 @ 4 ohms) to drive the fronts and the rear fills and maybe the new NAK PA2100 bridged to drive the subwoofer. As far as NAK's car speakers go, they're nowhere near as good as the old SP-10's, SP-50's and SP-80's. At the prices their current models are going for you're better off with a/d/s speakers. There are some sources out there with good prices. Contact me off-Nak talk if interested. Incidentally, I've got a pair of really nice NAK SP-80's, used but in the original box and packaging. While not as good as the a/d/s subs, they don't have to be mounted in in enclosures (as the a/d/s subs do) and are perhaps one of the best subs around for mounting in the rear deck. That's why I've kept them, and had I not decided to go with a/d/s subs in an enclosure, I would have used them. I hope the results of my research has been helpful to the interested NAK talkers out there. Best regards, John Jim Volpatti wrote: > Stephen, > > Any opinions on the performance and reliability of the Nak MB-100 > in-dash CD changer with its outboard DAC and preamp? > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The TD-700 is only slightly inferior in performance to the TD-1200, which is > > without doubt the best car cassette ever. But, the TD-700 is far more > > reliable, needing usually only belts every five or so years(and now, PC > > board glue removal!). The TD-1200 was prone to developing flakey & multiple > > electronic problems. > > The only hitch is that these decks were known for not having the best > > tuners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 00:21:06 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio In-Reply-To: <3BC4995B.DA38FDCD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio companies integrate into the head unit and put it in the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp and then two more with power amps of different ratings. SJ --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > my opinion. I do not think they > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > one exists. > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > know what this component does: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > Thank you > > Brian Stocker > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Salim, > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > I > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > SP-1010. > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > end > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > SP-10/SP-50 > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > sub. > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > the > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > a > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > impressed with them. > > > > SJ > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > good ? > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 00:31:26 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:31:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each end, I believe. All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing that fits the bill. Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 00:54:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:54:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio References: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BC4D1AC.75F9839E@pacbell.net> Thank you SJ, So should I assume that this is a "crummy" modest power amp with specific compatibilities. What do you Nakers think of McIntosh car amps and the newest Mac head unit (cant remember the model # but it is a great, classic looking mac piece) Brian Stocker Scott Johnson wrote: > That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable > Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). > Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio > companies integrate into the head unit and put it in > the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you > buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other > connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, > etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp > and then two more with power amps of different > ratings. > > SJ > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > > my opinion. I do not think they > > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > > one exists. > > > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > > know what this component does: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > > good ? > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 01:07:54 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:07:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4D4BC.EF7D5FE7@pacbell.net> Dave, I had to make 2 app 100 foot runs of balanced xlr's from preamp to amp and I made my own with radioshack connectors and fairly thin 3 conductor wire (the kind with foil shielding) After all that trouble I was not happy with the sound so I moved everything over near the speakers and hooked the amp and preamp with very modest, but not cheapo rca interconnects. The sound was much better, especially in the lo end. So, I need to do the same thing via the balanced ins and outs. My first step will be to desolder the long wires from the ends and make a 1 meter pair. my preamp accepts male ends and my power amp accepts female ends. How is it that you have the need for female on both ends? Now Dave and I have a question for the experts. Is there a measurable/hearable difference between balanced and unbalanced configurations. Thanks for your help folks Brian Stocker ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 01:11:14 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:11:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> thanks for the comments, Brian. From what I've gathered in the research so far, is that balanced XLR cables probably wouldn't hurt, and could very well help the overall sound quality. They were originally meant as a solution for pro gear in which long runs result in cable hum. So, I would imagine that at the very least, hum would be less. Not that it's an issue even now. Balanced cables do seem more robust, and even though I don't fully understand the electric principles behind them, the additional connectors do seem to suggest a more solid electrical connection. I believe that Bryston does sell its own cable, but even that is upwards of $200. I'd be interested in anything up to about $100 for a 1-2M pair length. I think that's plenty, don't you think? Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 01:13:23 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] XLR cables.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011010231323.42502.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Your local musical instrument store (Sam Ash, Guitar Center, etc.) should have XLR cables. You can also buy on-line at www.guitarcenter.com and then click "Buy On-line" in the upper right corner. $24.95 for a 15 foot run of Monster Cable brand. The cable you most likely want are male to female, not female, female. Equipment always has female connector/male pins on the outputs and male connector/female pins on the inputs. Therefore the cable is male to female. For short runs unbalanced RCA cables should be just fine. SJ --- ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know > that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who > may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR > (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female > XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of > $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. > Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of > balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR > interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over > unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Oct 11 03:33:49 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:33:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio References: <20011010222106.18459.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c151f4$c7b543e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I have several power port 2 and 3's available, if anyone needs or wants one. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Car Audio > That Power Port 2 on eBay is sleeve for a removeable > Nak car decks (not sure which ones are compatible). > Nak took the crummy power amp that most car audio > companies integrate into the head unit and put it in > the sleeve. So you buy a Nak head unit and then you > buy the sleeve with the power amp and all the other > connections (power, gnd, antenna, remote, line in/out, > etc.) I think they had one sleeve with not power amp > and then two more with power amps of different > ratings. > > SJ > --- britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > ADS used to make great speakers and components, in > > my opinion. I do not think they > > are in business any longer (correct me if I am > > wrong). ADS and NAK used to be in some > > sort of collaboration way back producing ads/nak > > systems for portable/mobile audio. I > > too am curious about any current collaboration, if > > one exists. > > > > Also, for NAK car audio folks in the know, do you > > know what this component does: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1283779346 > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellas, > > > > > > > > Does anybody ever use Nak car speakers ? Is it > > > > oem'd from other mfg (heard > > > > that it's from a/d/s/) ? Finally, is it any > > good ? > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 01:50:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:50:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4DEB2.A5F17B27@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, InnerSound just came out with a VERY reasonably priced line of interconnect and speaker cables that may interest you. Click here for more information: http://www.innersound.net/cables.htm If you do not have a local InnerSound dealer or need further assistance, let me know. I carry the full line and am here to help. Jim Volpatti ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 11 02:52:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:52:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <3BC4D4BC.EF7D5FE7@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC4ED45.8E0A4B5F@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Dave, I had to make 2 app 100 foot runs of balanced xlr's from preamp to amp and I > made my own with radioshack connectors and fairly thin 3 conductor wire (the kind with > foil shielding) After all that trouble I was not happy with the sound so I moved > everything over near the speakers and hooked the amp and preamp with very modest, but > not cheapo rca interconnects. The sound was much better, especially in the lo end. > So, I need to do the same thing via the balanced ins and outs. My first step will be > to desolder the long wires from the ends and make a 1 meter pair. my preamp accepts > male ends and my power amp accepts female ends. How is it that you have the need for > female on both ends? > > Now Dave and I have a question for the experts. Is there a measurable/hearable > difference between balanced and unbalanced configurations. The obvious advantage of balanced cables is the reduced susceptibility to noise and hum pick up. There is also a slight reduction in the noise produced by the driving and receiving circuitry. This can significant in noisy environment. For short interconnects in the normal home environment, it's a non-issue. As to sound quality, the short answer is, "Generally, no, it does not improve sound. But, this depends on the equipment." The longer answer is that balanced interconnects, by themselves, do nothing for sound quality. However, IF (note that's a big if) the connection is fed by truly balanced circuitry and also feeds truly balanced circuitry, then even harmonics in the balanced portion of the circuitry is eliminated (in theory -- when the balance is perfect. 'All but eliminated', in real world terms). -- Ron > > Thanks for your help folks > > Brian Stocker > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > > end, I believe. > > > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > > that fits the bill. > > > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 11 02:55:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <3BC4EDE6.9C854BF6@concentric.net> You're *not* stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects, if you can use a soldering iron or have a friend that can. Cost of components for the cable is far, far lower than $100. -- Ron ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > sorry guys, kinda off the topic of Naks, but I know that there are a number > of very knowledgeable participants on this board who may be able to help me. > > Where can I get a set of reasonably priced XLR (balanced) interconnects for a > preamp/poweramp connection?? Should employ female XLR connectors at each > end, I believe. > > All of the audioadvisor.com cables are upwards of $200, and I find it hard to > believe that they don't come any cheaper than that. Some pro gear stores > (samash.com, jandr.com) have a limited amount of balanced cables, but nothing > that fits the bill. > > Am I stuck with paying so much for balanced XLR interconnects? Are they > worth the effort to obtain and hook up over unbalanced RCAs? Any > suggestions, info, or opinions would be appreciated. > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 11 04:36:28 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: Message-ID: <00a501c151fd$87afb6a0$0bec3fd0@oemcomputer> The best place to buy the balanced cables would be www.markertek.com they sellmade up cables bulk cable and decent parts like Neutrik if your equipment is balanced it may make a difference as to why well start here http://www.rane.com/pdf/groundin.pdf http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/ts_guide.pdf Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Oct 11 09:23:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:23:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57E2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 09:50:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:50:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <20011011075049.QGCH11491.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) Salim SM > Guys, > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 09:40:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:40:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <20011011074023.TPQT11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) Salim SM > Guys, > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off its > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical alignment/adjustment > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Oct 11 10:07:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:07:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57E4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sure, buddy. But this will depend on our fellows Naktalkers - whether somebody has the time/opportunity to make a scan or not. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > Nick, hopefully I'll be getting my own copy soon. But if you can get a > procedures' pdf in the meantime, could you kindly send me a copy ? :-) > > Salim SM > > > > Guys, > > > > To start working on my newly acquired 682ZX I need a couple of pages off > its > > Service Manual, namely those desribing the elecrtrical > alignment/adjustment > > procedures. Would be much obliged. Anybody? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ==== > > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ==== > > === > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 17:38:18 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:38:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <15d.25713c1.28f716ea@aol.com> Thanks very much to you, Warren, and others for the great info! Dave In a message dated 10/10/01 7:40:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << The best place to buy the balanced cables would be www.markertek.com they sellmade up cables bulk cable and decent parts like Neutrik if your equipment is balanced it may make a difference as to why well start here http://www.rane.com/pdf/groundin.pdf http://www.jensen-transformers.com/an/ts_guide.pdf >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Oct 11 19:43:55 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Dave, and all interested. I digress to the last few weeks postings regarding quality V price of interconnects and speaker cable. There was so much valuable exchange of information that one should be able to make one's own decision using one's own hearing, preferences and judgment. There is more to balanced than avoidance of picking up RF and other artifacts, I think, and has to do with the fact that input and output impedance is the same on both ends--thus the term balanced. What that tells me is that there could be a more free flow of signal across the connection which makes sense. But is that a correct assumption and, if so, is there an audible/measurable improvement? I believe one of the recent postings suggested that when trying out interconnects, determine if there is a possibility of buying on a trial basis, with the option of trading up, down and laterally. Since recent cable discussion did not focus much, if at all, on balanced xlr and 1/4 inch interconnects, keep us posted through your decision making. I am not aware of any Naks that have balanced outs, I suppose that some of the pro models have this configuration. I am told that McIntosh' newest preamp, which I considered buying until the STICKER SHOCK set in, is completely balanced from input thru output and has no tone/eq controls as a result, I am not sure what this means entirely because most components do not offer balanced outputs to mate with preamps. Any technowiz out there in Nakland know what this means? Thank you very much Brian Stocker ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > thanks for the comments, Brian. From what I've gathered in the research so > far, is that balanced XLR cables probably wouldn't hurt, and could very well > help the overall sound quality. They were originally meant as a solution for > pro gear in which long runs result in cable hum. So, I would imagine that at > the very least, hum would be less. Not that it's an issue even now. > > Balanced cables do seem more robust, and even though I don't fully understand > the electric principles behind them, the additional connectors do seem to > suggest a more solid electrical connection. > > I believe that Bryston does sell its own cable, but even that is upwards of > $200. I'd be interested in anything up to about $100 for a 1-2M pair length. > I think that's plenty, don't you think? > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Oct 11 20:04:16 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:04:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <017801c1527f$24d35b40$7a2bfea9@brianm> Brian, I will leave it to Stephan, Ron and/or others to explain "completely balanced", but I will comment that on the contray, a lot of, if not most, "hi-end" equipment have balanced inputs/outputs. For EX: I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, it has both balanced and RCA outs, as does my Fanfare tuner. I have a Mark Levinson integrated amp, it excepts 2 balanced in and three RCA ins. I have a McIntosh C42 preamp at the moment and it has one balanced input and balanced and RCA outputs. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 11 20:13:42 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:13:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. Message-ID: <137.2ea13fb.28f73b56@aol.com> In a message dated 10/11/01 11:06:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Brian, I will leave it to Stephan, Ron and/or others to explain "completely balanced", but I will comment that on the contray, a lot of, if not most, "hi-end" equipment have balanced inputs/outputs. For EX: I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, it has both balanced and RCA outs, as does my Fanfare tuner. I have a Mark Levinson integrated amp, it excepts 2 balanced in and three RCA ins. I have a McIntosh C42 preamp at the moment and it has one balanced input and balanced and RCA outputs. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com >> I agree, it seems pretty obvious that as you get into the higher end, balanced inputs and outputs get more common. That doesn't seem to imply that you need balanced to get high fidelity sound, or that all high end stuff has such connections. But you certainly don't see balanced connections on anything lower end. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hparekh at netcom-sys.com Thu Oct 11 23:13:40 2001 From: hparekh at netcom-sys.com (Hitesh Parekh) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:13:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... Message-ID: <004101c15299$99e4d7f0$f60408a1@hparekh> Hi! I'm facing some problem with my Nakamichi RX505. The Tape Deck stops or reverses the cassette every time I play it, depending on Auto-Reverse turned, On/Off. The cassette plays only for as long as 10 minutes w/o any stops to as short as few seconds! I also tried with 6 new seal packed cassettes to rule out problems with the cassettes. I know that it has an advanced gear mechanism by which it stops the player from eating the cassette reel. I also rewound and FFed the cassettes on both the sides but still the problem persists. Can you let me know, where the problem is & how much approximately will it cost to fix it? Do you know anyone in NJ who can repair it reliably & is affordable!!! Since I might have to send it for repairs, do you think it'll be a good idea to get it lubricated & recalibrated? How much that would cost? Thank you. With warm regards, Hitesh Parekh ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Oct 12 00:12:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:12:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry, off topic question about XLR cables.. References: <150.24dad4b.28f62f92@aol.com> <3BC5DA56.1BF3F962@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BC61964.90D117B@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Dave, and all interested. > > [...] > > There is more to balanced than avoidance of picking up RF > and other artifacts, I think, and has to do with the fact > that input and output impedance is the same on both > ends--thus the term balanced. What that tells me is that > there could be a more free flow of signal across the > connection which makes sense. But is that a correct > assumption and, if so, is there an audible/measurable > improvement? 'Balanced' has nothing to do with I/O impedances. In a balanced interconnect, two replicas of the signal are transmitted, one out of phase with the other. The balanced input is designed such that it only out of phase input signals are amplified. (In active circuitry, 'balanced' is known as 'push-pull'.) Since any noise or hum is picked up equally by the two leads, it will be in-phase and the input will ignore it. Two additional factors help in reducing noise pickup further. First, because two signals are transmitted, the effective signal level is twice as high as the unbalanced counterpart. Second, the shield does not carry signal current, reducing ground loops and the associated hum. As already mentioned, there is no sonic improvement. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 12 06:22:15 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:52:15 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... Message-ID: <002401c152d5$7ab553a0$42d60192@vsnl> Hitesh I feel one of the belt connected to sensing mechanism ( circular wheel with holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the other ) for detecting stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs change. However if you machine had not seen any service for last five years or so, it is worthwhile trying regular servicing. Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our Naktalk member) will be the ideal person to do the needful as we know that he has the magic touch of getting the best of any nak decks. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Hitesh Parekh To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... >Hi! > >I'm facing some problem with my Nakamichi RX505. > >The Tape Deck stops or reverses the cassette every time I play it, depending >on Auto-Reverse turned, On/Off. The cassette plays only for as long as 10 >minutes w/o any stops to as short as few seconds! I also tried with 6 new >seal packed cassettes to rule out problems with the cassettes. > >I know that it has an advanced gear mechanism by which it stops the player >from eating the cassette reel. I also rewound and FFed the cassettes on both >the sides but still the problem persists. > >Can you let me know, where the problem is & how much approximately will it >cost to fix it? >Do you know anyone in NJ who can repair it reliably & is affordable!!! >Since I might have to send it for repairs, do you think it'll be a good idea >to get it lubricated & recalibrated? How much that would cost? > >Thank you. > >With warm regards, > >Hitesh Parekh > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 18:33:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:33:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... References: <002401c152d5$7ab553a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002e01c15275$f08fed20$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan & Hitesh, This is one of the symptoms on my 202 - which used reel reflection instead of old naks rotating wheel - but only during the first few minutes of playback. On my case I'd suspect either a faulty part near transport switches area or a faulty microprocessor. Best solution is to send it to Stephen as I've replaced almost every part on logic board with no result. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... > Hitesh > I feel one of the belt connected to sensing mechanism ( circular wheel with > holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the other ) for detecting > stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs change. However if you > machine had not seen any service for last five years or so, it is worthwhile > trying regular servicing. > Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our Naktalk member) will be > the ideal person to do the needful as we know that he has the magic touch of > getting the best of any nak decks. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hitesh Parekh > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 19:06:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:06:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, Found an SP80 today and planned to put that and SP65 inside a box for home use. Crossover is SP65C which is a 12db consisting of 0.5mH + 15uF in series with 1 ohm resistor for LF and 2D475K capacitor (what the hell does that mean - 4.7 uF ?) + 0.4 mH for HF. But of course you already knew that ... if you don't mind, could you please tell me what's inside PC100 ? Is the EC200H also a 12db xo ? These SP65 coax looks like SP10 with, ahem, SP60. :-) I already disassembled the tweeter part, probably midbass would sound better with no large tweeter in front of it. Thanks again for the info ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 and > SP-50 combo. > > Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. > Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html > > Scott J. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 - a > > Nak home speaker ? The > > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, anyway > > I plan to put the set > > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and use > > it for home ... because > > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound like > > ! At least I hope the > > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II and > > TD1200 Limited ? Found > > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' is > > without tuner unit (I can > > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > > suggest ? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > > > > Salim, > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, but, > > I > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's and > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > SP-1010. > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing bottom > > end > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > sub. > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy of > > the > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped with > > a > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 19:20:56 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers In-Reply-To: <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011012172056.4029.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, Somewhere I have the box design info for the SP80's (from Nakamichi). When I find it I'll shoot it over to you. The tweeter in the SP-65 is nowhere near as good as the SP-10. At home I have the schematic for the PC-100. I'll send that to you tonight is no one else beat me to it. The EC-200 and EC-200H are 18 dB/octave active crossovers (line level in and out, not speaker level). I have the service manual for them. If you want the schematic I can shoot you a copy, but, it's not something you would want to build unless you are really good at breadboarding. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Found an SP80 today and planned to put that and SP65 > inside a box for home > use. Crossover is SP65C which is a 12db consisting > of 0.5mH + 15uF in > series with 1 ohm resistor for LF and 2D475K > capacitor (what the hell does > that mean - 4.7 uF ?) + 0.4 mH for HF. But of > course you already knew that > ... if you don't mind, could you please tell me > what's inside PC100 ? Is > the EC200H also a 12db xo ? > > These SP65 coax looks like SP10 with, ahem, SP60. > :-) I already > disassembled the tweeter part, probably midbass > would sound better with no > large tweeter in front of it. > > Thanks again for the info ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > The PC100 is the passive crossover for the SP-10 > and > > SP-50 combo. > > > > Here's a link to the brochure for the PC-100. > > Click on SP-80/SP-50/SP-10 - Page 3 > > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_mobile.html > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > > > Thanks for your comment. What exactly is PC100 > - a > > > Nak home speaker ? The > > > one I saw was SP-65, a bit too bright for me, > anyway > > > I plan to put the set > > > on a box (will try to dismantle the tweeter) and > use > > > it for home ... because > > > I'm curious how a Nak home speaker would sound > like > > > ! At least I hope the > > > crossover would bear that Nak quality. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > PS: Do you know the difference between TD1200-II > and > > > TD1200 Limited ? Found > > > both in a non working condition, the 'Limited' > is > > > without tuner unit (I can > > > use the spare head), all for $50, what do you > > > suggest ? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > I don't know about the current Nak speakers, > but, > > > I > > > > love the old stuff. I've had SP-10's, SP-50's > and > > > > SP-80's which were replaced later by a single > > > SP-1010. > > > > > > > > The SP-50 was wonderful. Tight and amazing > bottom > > > end > > > > for such a smaller speaker. I used the > > > SP-10/SP-50 > > > > combo for about a year before adding the SP-80 > > > sub. > > > > With the SP-10/-50's I used a home made copy > of > > > the > > > > PC-100 which sounded great. I later bi-amped > with > > > a > > > > Nak EC-200H, but, never liked the results. > > > > > > > > I've also used the SP-65's, but, was never too > > > > impressed with them. > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Salim Marzuki > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 19:23:30 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... In-Reply-To: <002e01c15275$f08fed20$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011012172330.41423.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Start by scraping off all the brown glue on all the boards. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan & Hitesh, > > This is one of the symptoms on my 202 - which used > reel reflection instead > of old naks rotating wheel - but only during the > first few minutes of > playback. On my case I'd suspect either a faulty > part near transport > switches area or a faulty microprocessor. Best > solution is to send it to > Stephen as I've replaced almost every part on logic > board with no result. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Nak RX-505... > > > > Hitesh > > I feel one of the belt connected to sensing > mechanism ( circular wheel > with > > holes - light bulb on one side and a sensor on the > other ) for detecting > > stoppage of reel hubs might be slipping and needs > change. However if you > > machine had not seen any service for last five > years or so, it is > worthwhile > > trying regular servicing. > > Looks like Stephen sank at New mexico ( one of our > Naktalk member) will be > > the ideal person to do the needful as we know that > he has the magic touch > of > > getting the best of any nak decks. > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hitesh Parekh > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 19:49:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:49:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011010182059.99690.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c15277$1b1177c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003a01c1527d$14984e40$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi again Scott, Sorry, I just re-read SP80 brochure and there it says the EC200H is a 18db slope crossover. I can't read the SP50 dimension clearly, is the outer diameter 164 mm (6 1/4 ") or 154 mm ? If so then it's a big chance that SP65 is a coax of SP50 & SP10 ? It seems larger than regular 5 inch driver. Now if SP100's inside is similar to SP65 crossover .... Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 11 20:04:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:04:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car speakers References: <20011012172056.4029.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c1527f$2f0a1a40$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, I just hit 'send' before I checked my email ! I have faith on either 4th order or entirely 1st order, so don't worry about the EC200H schematics. I'll try to build one box speaker using SP80 up to 100hz and the mid without hipass filter, do you know of any (nak or diy) passive low pass for SP80 ? Best bet is active low pass but not quite 'transportable'. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Thanks for the 505 idea, I haven't looked at the "old brown glue" yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak car speakers > Salim, > > Somewhere I have the box design info for the SP80's > (from Nakamichi). When I find it I'll shoot it over > to you. The tweeter in the SP-65 is nowhere near as > good as the SP-10. > > At home I have the schematic for the PC-100. I'll > send that to you tonight is no one else beat me to it. > > The EC-200 and EC-200H are 18 dB/octave active > crossovers (line level in and out, not speaker level). > I have the service manual for them. If you want the > schematic I can shoot you a copy, but, it's not > something you would want to build unless you are > really good at breadboarding. > > SJ > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Oct 13 04:40:59 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:40:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I Message-ID: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of guys here who share not only their music interest, but also the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as described. Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? If you want to see something positively scary: Go to Microsoft Word. Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY (This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC towers). Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 05:18:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:18:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC7B26F.4111240C@yahoo.com> You think that's funny? This is serious business buddy. For example, in terms of consequences; I can only wonder how many people will name their children Anthrax after this. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Oct 13 07:08:11 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:08:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I Message-ID: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > You think that's funny? > This is serious business buddy. > For example, in terms of consequences; > I can only wonder how many people will > name their children Anthrax after > this. ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat Oct 13 10:31:53 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:31:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: The planes involved in September 11, 2001 events were United and American Airlines. The flight numbers for these are in the format of UA 9999, or AA 9999, where UA=United Airlines, and AA=American Airlines, and 9999 is upto 4 digit numeric flight number. Q33 NY, is not a flight number of United Airlines or American Airlines. Q33 was supposedly the tail number, or part of it, of the first plane hitting New York. NY is just an abbreviation of New York, and has nothing to do with any marks on the plane. My opinion, I wouldn't read too much into it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Fri, October 12, 2001 9:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of guys here who share not only their music interest, but also the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as described. Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? If you want to see something positively scary: Go to Microsoft Word. Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY (This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC towers). Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 13 11:33:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:33:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <000401c153ca$1cb7eec0$d5b8193e@a4s1s2> Take it easy, guys. When something as shocking and tragic as this happens people need to find a way of coping with it in their minds. For many, they will try to understand why it happened and use whatever reference points that they are familiar with and they may be religion, political analysis, history, or prophecies or numerology or whatever. Others will use forms of escapism - that may be physical exercise, music, humour (esp. what we Brit's call have long called "black humour" - we're big into it) or religion again, etc.. Personally, I use music, humour and historical perspective help me through all bad times but that's just me. (Unfortunately, my historical perspective gets right up some peoples' noses esp. when I give voice to my reasoning that there has been several worse "terrorist" incidents than WTC - e.g when 135,000 German civilians were deliberately killed, mostly burnt and crushed to death by or in fire-swept buildings, one night in Dresden during 1945.) Each of us will be doing it the best way that there is for us as individuals; try not to get too upset if one person's way is not your own - let them go their way and you go yours. Stay cool, bro's. Stay cool. We can't fight an enemy if we're fighting each other! ;o) Gra' -- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: 13 October 2001 06:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > You think that's funny? > This is serious business buddy. > For example, in terms of consequences; > I can only wonder how many people will > name their children Anthrax after > this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Oct 13 15:53:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:53:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC84764.2B42EA4@concentric.net> I find this post highly offensive, on several grounds. Thousands of people were murdered in cold blood and some sicko has come up with a contrived way to link an airplane and some writing with death and Israel? As OT as the subject is, I can understand a discussion here, since it affects (probably, more than most people realize) our -- and our children's -- future. There is room for discussing the real meaning of the event, what led to it and where it's going. But this BS is beneath contempt. -- Ron >A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of >guys here who share not only their music interest, but also >the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together >a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things >off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as >described. > >Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? > >?If you want to see something positively scary:urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" / > >Go to Microsoft Word. > >Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. > >Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY > >(This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC >towers). > >Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Oct 13 16:23:06 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> <3BC84764.2B42EA4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000e01c153f2$938bfaa0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Nakkers, Let's beware of miscommunication. I think there is no naktalker on this list who want to hurt another. We found each other in our interest about Naks and no religion , political or other things. Maybe our discussions must go about Hifi . Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > > I find this post highly offensive, on several grounds. > Thousands of people were murdered in cold blood and > some sicko has come up with a contrived way to link > an airplane and some writing with death and Israel? > > As OT as the subject is, I can understand a discussion > here, since it affects (probably, more than most people > realize) our -- and our children's -- future. There is > room for discussing the real meaning of the event, what > led to it and where it's going. But this BS is beneath > contempt. > > -- Ron > > > >A warm thank you to all the Nakers thoughts on the WTC. We have a great group of >guys here who share not only their music interest, but also > >the much needed interest on the incident of the WTC. I have somewhat put together >a series of my thoughts on the WTC incident. To start things > >off, please pay attention to this e-mail and do the Microsoft Word exercise as >described. > > > >Subject: This is Scary - Maybe Code? > > > >?If you want to see something positively scary:urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" / > > > >Go to Microsoft Word. > > > >Change the font to Times New Roman size 72. > > > >Type in the following (all caps): Q33 NY > > > >(This was the flight number of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC >towers). > > > >Okay, now highlight it, and change the font to "Wingdings"! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 12 17:44:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:44:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <000401c153ca$1cb7eec0$d5b8193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001001c15334$c641f260$a51a9bca@smarzuki> 103% agreed, brother Graham ... I still like the Bed Linen department topic better :-) ... but while we're in the subject of what's behind the numbers ... here's another OT humor - my way of 'escapism' after reading things like "Osama will use south east asia as his new extremist base" : > > VERY INTERESTING > > > > We have all been to those meetings where someone > > pleads with us to give more than 100%. Here's the > > formula that will put you on the road to achieving > > 103%! > > > > It only takes a little simple math: Follow the > > recipe and it might prove helpful in the future! > > > > What makes life 100%?? > > > > IF :~ > > > > A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T > > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 > > U V W X Y Z > > 21 22 23 24 25 26 > > > > Then :~ > > > > H A R D W O R K > > 8 1 18 4 23 15 18 11 = 98% > > > > K N O W L E D G E > > 11 14 15 23 12 5 4 7 5 = 96% > > > > But :~ > > > > A T T I T U D E > > 1 20 20 9 20 21 4 5 = 100 % > > > > However :~ > > > > B U L L S H I T > > 2 21 12 12 19 8 9 20 = 103%!!! > > > > BTW - does anybody know a good diy speaker egroups ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > Take it easy, guys. When something as shocking and tragic as this happens > people need to find a way of coping with it in their minds. For many, they > will try to understand why it happened and use whatever reference points > that they are familiar with and they may be religion, political analysis, > history, or prophecies or numerology or whatever. Others will use forms > of escapism - that may be physical exercise, music, humour (esp. what we > Brit's call have long called "black humour" - we're big into it) or religion > again, etc.. Personally, I use music, humour and historical perspective > help me through all bad times but that's just me. (Unfortunately, my > historical perspective gets right up some peoples' noses esp. when I give > voice to my reasoning that there has been several worse "terrorist" > incidents than WTC - e.g when 135,000 German civilians were deliberately > killed, mostly burnt and crushed to death by or in fire-swept buildings, one > night in Dresden during 1945.) Each of us will be doing it the best way > that there is for us as individuals; try not to get too upset if one > person's way is not your own - let them go their way and you go yours. > Stay cool, bro's. Stay cool. We can't fight an enemy if we're fighting > each other! ;o) > > Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 19:05:49 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:05:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I References: <000301c153a5$0f06d5e0$dd0f9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC8746D.E1F229B6@yahoo.com> Well excuse me I thought you were making a smart assed remark yourself. Had no idea someone on the Nak list would actually give thought to wingding drivel. Perhaps you should translate Nostradumbus to wingdings. There's no telling what you might discover. Don't worry about the evildoers Our leader the Amazing Bush has sent out the super friends to deal with them and to bring the evil one back to face trial in the international hall of justice. Why do I get the feeling I've taken up residence inside a comic book Javier bigbear69 wrote: > > The subject of 'being funny' never crossed my mind. It is your 'smart act' > response to me which brings that subject. I am probably like everyone else - > does this mean anything? I don't know. But in the eyes and minds of the > evil-doers, these messages may have been known to them. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WTC - Part I > > > You think that's funny? > > This is serious business buddy. > > For example, in terms of consequences; > > I can only wonder how many people will > > name their children Anthrax after > > this. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Oct 13 22:55:54 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:55:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem Message-ID: <004001c15429$76095540$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi, have a problem with my 1000ZXL. Everything works fine with one exception: The fluorescent panel doesn´t work correct. I´m not able to adjust to 0dB. The maximum level (with the 400Hz test tone) is -20dB. And this out of the required frequency range (40,44 kHz) on pin 7 of IC 605 of the FL Indicator PCB A. Can anybody help me with this problem. The two OP´s 4560 and 4556 are replaced with identical ones. Thanks for any suggestion Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ARWII at aol.com Sun Oct 14 01:54:35 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:54:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Message-ID: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to receive a copy of it. Thanks in advance. Ray Wheellock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Oct 13 23:59:43 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:59:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c15432$5ed686a0$bb05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Hi Ray. I can make you a copy. Send me your address. Kevin Rogers > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > receive a copy of it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ray Wheellock > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 13 05:41:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:41:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ray, I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: http://support.naks.com/support/ Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the manual > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > receive a copy of it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ray Wheellock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Sun Oct 14 08:41:33 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:41:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] WTC - Part I In-Reply-To: References: <001701c15390$7f064d40$37c09d40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BC9C03C.7431.969A05@localhost> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stan Targowski wrote: > Q33 NY, is not a flight number of United Airlines or American Airlines. > > > My opinion, I wouldn't read too much into it. This is true. The Q33NY is a hoax, obviously reverse-engineered by someone with a copy of the Wingdings font. It's human nature to confront incidents of this magnitude with humour [of all sorts]. Do not let them get to you. Cheers Jason -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.4.0a Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7yTOBdo4suhfO5Y4RAnxKAKClS5ypTUsUOuVodasTiJIugV3mVQCgr7U3 UyFH9U0e9x0RjLzThxwY30M= =xboD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 14 14:13:56 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:13:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001201c154a9$b2abe320$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Yes, and you can also download a version at my site http://users.castel.nl/~wijnn01/nakamichi/home.htm Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > Hi Ray, > > I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: > http://support.naks.com/support/ > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > > > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the > manual > > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > > receive a copy of it. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Ray Wheellock > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 14 14:15:25 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:15:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Correction Users Manual for NR 200 References: <77.1c8e059c.28fa2e3b@aol.com> <001a01c153a2$19815c00$d0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001d01c154a9$e7f0aac0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Oeps, Sorry, it's only the dutch version on my site Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > Hi Ray, > > I believe there's a NR200 pdf file on ftp server: > http://support.naks.com/support/ > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 6:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > > > > This is for the Dolby B/C noise reduction unit. I just got one and the > manual > > did not accompany it. Would anybody on the listserve know where I might > > obtain on. I would pay a reasonable fee (or even an unreasonable one) to > > receive a copy of it. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Ray Wheellock > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ARWII at aol.com Sun Oct 14 15:32:26 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:32:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 Message-ID: <36.1d1d1521.28faedea@aol.com> Dear Salim, Thank you for your suggestion. I will give it a try. Ray Wheelock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Sun Oct 14 20:01:30 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:01:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... Message-ID: <20011014200130.A2235@esme.xs4all.nl> Hi all! First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 13 20:01:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:01:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 References: <36.1d1d1521.28faedea@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c15411$27268e60$72299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ray, The link is http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/international/NR200_OwnersMan ual.pdf User 'naktalk', password 'limited', if it's not changed yet. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Users Manual for NR 200 > Dear Salim, > > Thank you for your suggestion. I will give it a try. > > > Ray Wheelock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Sun Oct 14 23:58:22 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:58:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Car Audio Message-ID: Hi Jim, Regarding Nak car audio I have read that the MB-75 was very unreliable. It is/was offered in the BMW 735 and received a lot of warranty replacements, apparently it regularly fried it's microprocessor brain regards ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 03:22:46 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:22:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Car Audio References: Message-ID: <3BCA3A66.745839E4@earthlink.net> Hi Ken, I've pretty much decided on the MB-100, for sake of performance, but reliability is even more important. Thanks for the info! Jim Volpatti Ken Lee wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Regarding Nak car audio I have read that the MB-75 was very unreliable. It is/was offered in the BMW 735 and received a lot of warranty replacements, apparently it regularly fried it's microprocessor brain > > regards ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 14 04:51:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:51:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... References: <20011014200130.A2235@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000c01c1545b$286be000$d5299bca@smarzuki> Hi Thomas, Just ask via email to info at schaltungsdienst.de , there's an owners manual for Cass Deck 1.5 and a good chance they have the service manual too. If not, I think you can also use Cass Deck 1's service manual for electrical adjustment purposes as the only difference seems to be PB azimuth alignment. For emergency use - see if you have "playback level" trimpots VR17L and VR17R on most upper right corner of the main / larger board. Mark current positions and see if you can get balanced L / R output by decreasing VR17L a bit. If it is way off from current position then you'd better get the deck checked. And leave the other trimpots and head alignment screws alone (before you have the manual), no matter how tempting they are. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ribbrock" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > Hi all! > > First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First > Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. > The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be > in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract > from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher > CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the > left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not > much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, > however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. > Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual > for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in > Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent > source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for > the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". > Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, > if that makes any difference. > > Thanks in advance, > > Thomas > -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 15 09:05:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:35:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... Message-ID: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> Similar problem in my BX300 could not be satisfactorily sorted out till I got my Nak track alignment as well as 400Hz level tape ( nak calibration tapes!). Note that these tapes cost as much as 50 $ to may be 100$ at US each!!!. So best would be to get it checked out by Stephen or any Nak facility using Nak jigs / calibration tapes. Another point to note is that Thomas tells us that he hears sound properly while meters show differently between channels ? I have a feeling that even meter amplifier needs check? or meter level trim pots? However try recording 400Hz tone and check monitor with source and tape positions and see whether the problem is with playback level problem or both playback level as well as meter calibration( that meter shows higher than actual playback output.) This can be done without any of the nak tapes - only signal source like test CD/ and a digital multimeter ( ofcourse service manual would be required to note the location of test points) would be required. My best advice is to note the trim pot positions on paper before doing anything. NAK US and UK sources are other places to look for manuals. Cassette Deck 1 is better with play head azimuth adjustment available while 1.5 doesnot have this facility. Other than that I do not think any other difference exists and CD 1 service manual would do for your work as PCB should be same for all practical purposes Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > >Hi Thomas, > >Just ask via email to info at schaltungsdienst.de , there's an owners manual >for Cass Deck 1.5 and a good chance they have the service manual too. If >not, I think you can also use Cass Deck 1's service manual for electrical >adjustment purposes as the only difference seems to be PB azimuth alignment. > >For emergency use - see if you have "playback level" trimpots VR17L and >VR17R on most upper right corner of the main / larger board. Mark current >positions and see if you can get balanced L / R output by decreasing VR17L a >bit. If it is way off from current position then you'd better get the deck >checked. And leave the other trimpots and head alignment screws alone >(before you have the manual), no matter how tempting they are. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Ribbrock" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:01 AM >Subject: [naktalk] "My First Nak"... > > >> Hi all! >> >> First of all hello - just joined the list, as I just got "My First >> Nak"[tm] ;-) A Cassette Deck 1.5, to be precise. >> The deck as such seems to be in good state (a bit of cleaning might be >> in order - the usual) and I've already admired what it can extract >> from the recordings of my older decks (Akai GXC-325D (197x?) and Uher >> CG360 (1976)). However, the right channel is always stronger than the >> left one on playback, no matter which tape I throw at it. It's not >> much and it seems to be more visible (on the meter) than audible, >> however, I guess some readjusting mightn't be a bad idea. >> Therefore I'm wondering where I might be able to get a service manual >> for that deck. I've already checked "Schaltungsdienst Lange oHG" in >> Berlin (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de), which is usually an excellent >> source for that kind of stuff, but they only list the user manual for >> the 1.5 and the service manuals for the "1" and the "2". >> Does anybody have any other sources? I'm located in the Netherlands, >> if that makes any difference. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Thomas >> -- > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 09:35:39 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] new inteconnects In-Reply-To: <3BC4DEB2.A5F17B27@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011015073539.20523.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.innersound.net/cables.htm I think I will buy some of these interconnects--$50 pair--is that a lot? haha. Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Oct 16 00:32:55 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:32:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: "My First Nak"... In-Reply-To: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> References: <001401c15547$d2c74c00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <20011016003255.A3354@esme.xs4all.nl> Thanks folks, that was about what I had hoped for... :-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 12:35:50PM +0530, Kannan. S wrote: > Similar problem in my BX300 could not be satisfactorily sorted out till I > got my Nak track alignment as well as 400Hz level tape ( nak calibration > tapes!). Note that these tapes cost as much as 50 $ to may be 100$ at US > each!!!. Hm, I have access to non-Nak-specific calibration tapes, as well as my own scope. I've done similar things successfully in the past with the Akai and the Uher decks I have, so I'll definitely have a look myself first. :-) If necessary, I'll consider leaving the job to a specialist. > Another point to note is that Thomas tells us that he hears sound > properly while meters show differently between channels ? I have a > feeling that even meter amplifier needs check? or meter level trim > pots? Problem is, so far I've only tested with older tapes which were recorded on at least four different decks. With all of them I could see the difference on the meter (and if all of those tapes were recorded in an unbalanced way, that would be *some* coincidence...). I've only listened to them via speakers, and my setup is not 100% ideal at the moment (due to the room), so I'll have to have a got at it with a headphone and a bit more time to be certain whether it's only the meter or whether there's more. I'd want the service manual in any case, though - that's usually one of the first things I get if I can... :-) > However try recording 400Hz tone and check monitor with source and tape [...] Thanks, I'll have a go at that. > My best advice is to note the trim pot positions on paper before doing > anything. :-) This piece of advice can't be repeated often enough... > NAK US and UK sources are other places to look for manuals. Cassette Deck 1 > is better with play head azimuth adjustment available while 1.5 doesnot have > this facility. Other than that I do not think any other difference exists > and CD 1 service manual would do for your work as PCB should be same for all > practical purposes I was hoping that would be the case. Thanks again, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Oct 16 20:32:28 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 Message-ID: Hello... (er, yes, this is my intro post to this list... hi!) I found a Nak 600 set out with someone's trash last night, took it home, cleaned it up (it was pretty filthy), and it seems to work perfectly (I can also send the long-form of the story if there's any interest). Some of the controls are unfamiliar, like a switch "I.M. Suppress", and I'd like to know how to properly adjust the front-panel bias and level controls and such. Is there any good resource for a copy of the manual for this deck? Thanks, joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 15 20:46:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:46:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference Message-ID: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> Hi ... where's everybody ? FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo from Ron's email ... or is it real ? Dynamics, details ... just like having a different cd player. Well worth trying. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Oct 16 21:07:30 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:07:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 References: Message-ID: <009a01c15675$ce34be50$31756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> If you call Nak. in CA and ask nicely they will send you a free copy, honest! Ask for Patty. Or parts at nakamichi.com John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a manual or info for Nak 600 > > Hello... > > > (er, yes, this is my intro post to this list... hi!) > > I found a Nak 600 set out with someone's trash last night, took it home, > cleaned it up (it was pretty filthy), and it seems to work perfectly (I > can also send the long-form of the story if there's any interest). > > Some of the controls are unfamiliar, like a switch "I.M. Suppress", and > I'd like to know how to properly adjust the front-panel bias and level > controls and such. > > Is there any good resource for a copy of the manual for this deck? > > > Thanks, > > joel > > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 06:39:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:39:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <121.5a91576.28fe657b@aol.com> Hi All, Tonight I was unable to access the ftp server. Would someone please let me know if it is up and running? And, what the new password is? Thank you in advance for your help. I am searching for the 1000ZXL and Tandberg 3014 reviews in .pdf form. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 17 06:58:40 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:58:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AA7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, The username/password are Username - naktalk password - limited. I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 2:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Hi All, Tonight I was unable to access the ftp server. Would someone please let me know if it is up and running? And, what the new password is? Thank you in advance for your help. I am searching for the 1000ZXL and Tandberg 3014 reviews in .pdf form. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 07:05:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:05:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, The username/password are Username - naktalk password - limited. I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> Hi Tom, Yes I would, thank you very much. Also, I am unable to even access the ftp password screen. I receive an error message telling me that I don't have permission to view it. Is this the correct address? ftp://ftp.naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Oct 17 08:48:30 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:48:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <1A5F6E61.45008F37.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Sam, No, the adress is not correct. FTP service is unavailable on Naks.com anymore. The correct address up to the recent time was http://www.naks.com/support/support.html But when I tried it now I also got an error message. I have 1000ZXL review on my computer and can try to send it to you, but the file size is almost 9 MB. I'm afraid my mail system rejects such vast attachement. With best regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 08:53:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:53:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <10c.7097884.28fe8505@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:50:50 AM Central Daylight Time, Modernizy at netscape.net writes: << I have 1000ZXL review on my computer and can try to send it to you, but the file size is almost 9 MB. I'm afraid my mail system rejects such vast attachement. With best regards, Nicholas. >> Hi Nicholas, Thank you for the correct address. And, I appreciate your offer to forward the 1000ZXL review but I'm afraid 9 MB is to large for me to. :-( I'll try the FTP again later today. Thank you again for you help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 17 10:43:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:43:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem References: <004001c15429$76095540$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <015501c156e7$de5c2760$203442cf@sank1> I've not seen this problem before, or any problems at all with the ZXL's display circuitry, but I would first suspect bad electrolytic caps around IC301-306 on the detector PCB, or that one of these opamps is at fault. Can't guess further without more details from you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL problem Hi, have a problem with my 1000ZXL. Everything works fine with one exception: The fluorescent panel doesn�t work correct. I�m not able to adjust to 0dB. The maximum level (with the 400Hz test tone) is -20dB. And this out of the required frequency range (40,44 kHz) on pin 7 of IC 605 of the FL Indicator PCB A. Can anybody help me with this problem. The two OP�s 4560 and 4556 are replaced with identical ones. Thanks for any suggestion Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 14:23:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:23:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> Hi, this is a direct question to Stephen but maybe others also want to try later on. Stephen, having heard the op amp difference, I'm about to put 2 OP275s on MB2 ... only to find out there are 4 opamps close to the DAC's output, marked U805 L&R and U806 L&R. Getting the main board in and out is not as easy as on MB1s, so maybe you can point out which op amp is on direct MB2's signal path, as I don't have the service manual ? Looks like U805 is the one 5532 to be upgraded, is that right ? Another question, on MB1s service manual there is a caution to shortcircuit point "A" on laser pickup assembly whenever we want di disconnect pickup from main pcb, otherwise laser diode may get damaged ... how true is this warning ? Before I got this service manual I already disconnected both MB main pcb from pickup and so far everything's fine. Was I only lucky at that time or should I really solder this point ? Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 16:32:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: <002101c1564f$71b6e020$23299bca@smarzuki> Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 18:19:55 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:19:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> Hi Tom, Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. Thank you very much Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > << Hi Sam, > > The username/password are > > Username - naktalk > password - limited. > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > Hi Tom, > > Yes I would, thank you very much. Also, I am unable to even access the ftp > password screen. I receive an error message telling me that I don't have > permission to view it. Is this the correct address? > > ftp://ftp.naks.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 18:15:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:15:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <128.628e009.28ff08be@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:13:17 AM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Tom, Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. Thank you very much Brian Stocker >> Hey Brian, Tell me more about your modified 3014 from Stephen. What did you have done to it? How does it sound? He made my CR-7, already a great deck; really sing. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Oct 17 18:28:54 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... In-Reply-To: <1A5F6E61.45008F37.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hello... On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Nick wrote: > > No, the adress is not correct. FTP service is unavailable on Naks.com > anymore. The correct address up to the recent time was > http://www.naks.com/support/support.html > > But when I tried it now I also got an error message. Hello... The above URL doesn't work. But a very similar does work, and I just tested it right now (of course, it might work just for me and not everyone, but considering the website, etc, it should work for any user): http://support.naks.com/support This gives the directory that contains the directories for advertisements, brochures, manuals, and reviews. The login is as quoted in a previous post: user naktalk password limited Enjoy! joel (eep! why is it that the most interesting stuff is in huuuge documents that will take forever to download with my 56k modem...) -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 19:32:40 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:32:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <128.628e009.28ff08be@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BCDC0B3.C893DE55@pacbell.net> Hi Sam, Stephen did not carry out any modifications to the 3014a. I acquired it and a mac mcd7000 in absolutely new and little used condition from a family friend for $750 total! Both were brilliantly serviced by Stephen and are my 2 main sources in my classic McIntosh system. I do not recall any naktalk discussion on upgrades to the 3014a, however I am very pleased with its current performance level. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:13:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Tom, > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am > really > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker >> > > Hey Brian, > > Tell me more about your modified 3014 from Stephen. What did you have done > to it? How does it sound? He made my CR-7, already a great deck; really > sing. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 18 10:43:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron Hoffman) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:43:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? It could easily be very real. I never said -- or thought -- that difference between opamps is not audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* into and out of a loop made an extremely small audible difference and based on that, I wasn't sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. The CD player is a different story. The DAC in my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not by much, but, still, discernible) when played though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital interconnect). This could mean that the output opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. -- Ron > Dynamics, details ... just like having a > different cd player. Well worth trying. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 17 20:48:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:48:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure that both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth replacing. As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I wouldn't worry about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Hi, this is a direct question to Stephen but maybe others also want to try > later on. > > Stephen, having heard the op amp difference, I'm about to put 2 OP275s on > MB2 ... only to find out there are 4 opamps close to the DAC's output, > marked U805 L&R and U806 L&R. Getting the main board in and out is not as > easy as on MB1s, so maybe you can point out which op amp is on direct MB2's > signal path, as I don't have the service manual ? Looks like U805 is the > one 5532 to be upgraded, is that right ? > > Another question, on MB1s service manual there is a caution to shortcircuit > point "A" on laser pickup assembly whenever we want di disconnect pickup > from main pcb, otherwise laser diode may get damaged ... how true is this > warning ? Before I got this service manual I already disconnected both MB > main pcb from pickup and so far everything's fine. Was I only lucky at that > time or should I really solder this point ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 20:59:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:59:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Ooops, my english got in the way again ! Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already sounded 'better' in the first place. There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter would produce audible benefits ? http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hoffman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > interconnect). This could mean that the output > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 16 21:06:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:06:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <003301c15675$9c170040$50289bca@smarzuki> Joel's right on the ftp site, and there's a tandberg review on: http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > Hi Tom, > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am really > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > Thank you very much > > Brian Stocker > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > The username/password are > > > > Username - naktalk > > password - limited. > > > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a copy? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > > > Hi Tom, > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Oct 17 21:06:05 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:06:05 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound Message-ID: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Hey Salim, Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It will be used as a transport. I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if he's honest). I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, the Rotels, and the NADs. Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that option. - Joe ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 17 21:41:24 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:41:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... References: <9.1cfeb6f1.28fe6ba3@aol.com> <3BCDAFA9.DCE974BF@pacbell.net> <003301c15675$9c170040$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014101c15743$c047f090$24756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Talking of Tandbergs, sorry could not resist it........ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286527853 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > > Joel's right on the ftp site, and there's a tandberg review on: > http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ > > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak FTP... > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Can you include me in your dispersal of the tandberg 3014 review. I am > really > > enjoying my recently acquired, Sanked 3014A. > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:03:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: > > > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > > > The username/password are > > > > > > Username - naktalk > > > password - limited. > > > > > > I have a copy of the Tandberg 3014 review on my pc, would you like a > copy? > > > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 22:02:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:02:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <163.27753c8.28ff3dd9@aol.com> Thank you all for your help with accessing the Nak ftp site, I truly appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 22:03:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:03:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <45.d79852c.28ff3e25@aol.com> In a message dated 10/17/2001 12:25:35 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam, Stephen did not carry out any modifications to the 3014a. I acquired it and a mac mcd7000 in absolutely new and little used condition from a family friend for $750 total! Both were brilliantly serviced by Stephen and are my 2 main sources in my classic McIntosh system. I do not recall any naktalk discussion on upgrades to the 3014a, however I am very pleased with its current performance level. Brian Stocker >> Hi Brian, First and foremost congratulations! That's a great deal you enjoyed! We can talk offline from Nak talkers but I would like to know more about the Mac MCD 7000. Please fill me in offline, ok? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Oct 18 15:38:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:38:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BCEDB38.3A4DEB79@concentric.net> Some authorities claim that the more stable the clock, the better the sound. Some others, that I also trust, say that no improvement is audible beyond a certain point (that most 'good' players have reached). I have never run listening tests on this issue and am not sure, though my common sense tells me that beyond a certain point, any improvement will be swamped by other system issues. I saw that LC site some time ago and was tempted to order that oscillator, just to find out for myself. However, I am not sure my player can be retrofitted, since the oscillator is internal the DSP IC. Also, the LC module is quite expensive. My Cd player listed for $650 when new (I actually paid about $450) and today is worth maybe $150. Doesn't make sense to me to dump another $150 in it. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ooops, my english got in the way again ! > > Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' > was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on > cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp > improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already > sounded 'better' in the first place. > > There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator > which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument > sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you > think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter > would produce audible benefits ? > > http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > > interconnect). This could mean that the output > > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 02:59:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:59:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound References: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <01e001c15770$30b1d900$203442cf@sank1> As a guy who has serviced all of the units you mention, I can wholeheartedly say that I recommend NONE of them. Seriously. Except for the older Rotels(e.g., RCD-855/955), all the players you mention are various levels of beneath mediocre in terms of reliability, build quality & (mostly) sound quality. Your old CD920 will yet outlive any of them. Give me a call when you have a chance & I'll be happy to discuss some choices of "best bang for buck" players. Just have to mention that the Parasound CD/P1000 is such a fly-weight piece of junk, that they literally put a steel brick inside of it to make it feel like a heavily built unit. Essentially an $89 Sony lo-fi unit in pretty clothes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > Hey Salim, > > Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It will be used as a transport. > > I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if he's honest). > > I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, the Rotels, and the NADs. > > Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that option. > > - Joe > > > ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 03:02:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:02:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] noticable difference References: <000c01c155a9$a8ce2240$87199bca@smarzuki> <3BCE962F.B4D4CF49@concentric.net> <000401c15674$b6010600$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01e601c15770$855b6e80$203442cf@sank1> I have actually installed an LC Audio clock into a Sony X77ES player. It made a nice difference, but this was a one-bit DAC player. I firmly do NOT believe that it would make any difference in a player with multi-bit DACs, unless the player's clock was appallingly bad. Further, in the one-bit Sony deck, the improvement was not, in my opinion, worth $150 to get. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > Ooops, my english got in the way again ! > > Thanks Ron, I should've stated it more clearly, what I meant by 'placebo' > was, after reading your email that op amp upgrade would be more noticable on > cd players ... I experienced exactly that. Interestingly, to my ear, op amp > improvement on MB1s was more noticable than another player - which already > sounded 'better' in the first place. > > There's also another tweak from LC Audio in the form of LC clock oscillator > which aims to reduce jitter. I didn't quite understand the jitter argument > sometime ago on naktalk - and probably won't get it even now - but do you > think a tighter ppm on crystal clock plus better regulator on digital filter > would produce audible benefits ? > > http://www.lcaudio.com/intlcl2.htm > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hoffman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] noticable difference > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi ... where's everybody ? > > > > > > FYI, just replaced NE5532 with OP275 on MB1s ... much more noticable > > > difference compared to op amp upgrade on Nak deck ! Is it placebo > > from Ron's email ... or is it real ? > > > > It could easily be very real. I never said -- or > > thought -- that difference between opamps is not > > audible. What I said was that putting a *CR-7* > > into and out of a loop made an extremely small > > audible difference and based on that, I wasn't > > sure that it made sense *for me* to upgrade the > > stock CR-7 by replacing op-amps. > > > > The CD player is a different story. The DAC in > > my Denon CD player is very similar to the DAC in > > my Denon preamp, yet CDs sound better (again, not > > by much, but, still, discernible) when played > > though the pre-amp DAC (meaning, using digital > > interconnect). This could mean that the output > > opamp in the player (plus maybe the analog cable, > > which is about 15 ft. long) may be contributing to > > some degradation. I simply use digital interconnect, > > alleviating the need to upgrade the output opamps. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 03:03:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:03:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c156a7$a6f3b080$65289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, I only have 2 opamps at the moment so I replaced 805 first and put the other on socket. Probably the other 5532s are for variable output ? Anyway maybe that explains why the improvement is not as dramatic as on MB1s. Last question, MB1s is getting more sensitive to disc scratches ... is there any adjustment (focus / tracking) that I can try with minimum risk ? Do these trimpots need to be re-adjusted if I replace the pickup myself ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure that > both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth > replacing. > As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, > since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I > wouldn't worry about it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Oct 18 03:32:25 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:32:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound References: <20011017.150618.27937.4053@wm7.jersey.juno.com> <01e001c15770$30b1d900$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000f01c15774$bf57a6e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I can second the nomination of the 855, I have several players and the combination of my 855 with a PS Audio superlink 2 dac is extremely close to my BAT VK-D5SE... and a whole lot more reliable, as I have only had the rotel serviced once since new, circa '87...the BAT piece has been serviced more than I care to mention. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > As a guy who has serviced all of the units you mention, I can wholeheartedly > say that I recommend NONE of them. Seriously. Except for the older > Rotels(e.g., RCD-855/955), all the players you mention are various levels of > beneath mediocre in terms of reliability, build quality & (mostly) sound > quality. Your old CD920 will yet outlive any of them. Give me a call when > you have a chance & I'll be happy to discuss some choices of "best bang for > buck" players. > Just have to mention that the Parasound CD/P1000 is such a fly-weight piece > of junk, that they literally put a steel brick inside of it to make it feel > like a heavily built unit. Essentially an $89 Sony lo-fi unit in pretty > clothes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:[naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP + vs. Parasound > > > > Hey Salim, > > > > Oddly, I'm in the market for a cheap used CD player myself right now, to > replace an ageing Phillips CD920 piece of junk that won't play CD-Rs. It > will be used as a transport. > > > > I'd like to get a Parasound CDP-1000 for the simple fact that some were > avaialble with an AT&T output jack. I've heard a lot of them were > defective, and a some won't read CD-Rs. But I figure if I'm buying used, > the seller should be able to give me an indication of what I'm getting (if > he's honest). > > > > I'm also considering the Marantz 63SE, as well as the current model > CD5000. These turn up used a lot. Others I'm looking at are the AMC CD8B, > the Rotels, and the NADs. > > > > Can anyone suggest something? It MUST have a coax output jack. AT&T > would be nice, but I think the Parasound is the only cheap unit with that > option. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > ---------- "Salim Marzuki" writes: > > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0700 > > > > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 > or > > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive > a > > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > > thought put into 'sonics'. > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 03:40:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:40:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <000701c1563d$733a9f20$23299bca@smarzuki> <01a801c1573c$61a76860$203442cf@sank1> <001001c156a7$a6f3b080$65289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <020f01c15775$dccb84c0$203442cf@sank1> Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give it a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight decrease in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself for this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring the laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much & which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the signal by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the first place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, unless a new laser is installed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks Stephen, > > I only have 2 opamps at the moment so I replaced 805 first and put the other > on socket. Probably the other 5532s are for variable output ? Anyway maybe > that explains why the improvement is not as dramatic as on MB1s. > > Last question, MB1s is getting more sensitive to disc scratches ... is there > any adjustment (focus / tracking) that I can try with minimum risk ? Do > these trimpots need to be re-adjusted if I replace the pickup myself ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I don't have any MB service manuals on hand, but I am pretty darn sure > that > > both opamp IC's in each channel are actively in the signal path & worth > > replacing. > > As for the shorting jumper on the laser, I can say that I have not yet, > > since the dawn of CD, seen a laser suffer static electricity damage, so I > > wouldn't worry about it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 06:57:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:57:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks much Stephen ! Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? Best regards, Salim SM > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give it > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight decrease > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself for > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring the > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much & > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the signal > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the first > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > unless a new laser is installed. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 08:06:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:06:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <026601c1579b$02697e60$203442cf@sank1> SF91C is the Sanyo type number for that laser. It is about as easy to find as the Sony. But it is a far more reliable laser than any of the Sony lasers. I am quite sure it will not need replacing. The laser current test is only valuable in conjunction with a laser optical power meter, to see how much current is drawn for the rated output power, in order to judge the remaining life of the laser. But you can try turning the trimpot to see a 10-20 percent increase in current draw & see if it helps/corrects the problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > it > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > decrease > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > for > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > the > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much > & > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > signal > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > first > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 08:07:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:07:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical power > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage on > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic is > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup ? > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > it > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > decrease > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > for > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > the > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how much > & > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > signal > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > first > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 18 08:44:00 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:44:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: Hi Salim, Just my thoughts on reasonably contemporary CD players from Nakamichi and Marantz, in 280-500 UK Sterling range: The Nakamichi players are quite a bit more solidly built than their Marantz counterparts, but they sound a bit smooth and lacking in clarity and definition for my liking. Actually, one I heard at a local Hi-Fi Corporation sounded rather close to a mini-disc player. Not my favourite medium. The Marantz units on the other hand, the previous generation to which you refer, were very lively and articulate. The Ken Ishiwata CD63II is everything it was claimed to be, and more. Incredibly well defined sound, huge bass and one of the most dynamic players I have heard. The untweaked 67 seemed similar to the 63 to me, in it's various guises. Ishiwata obviously didn't feel it warranted his separate attention while one could still buy 63IIKISI units, so he turned his attentions to the CD17, where the differences were not as palpable. One still has to bear in mind, that their mechanisms are current Philips units, which Stephen has a dim view of, so longlevity wise, one would have to talk to one of their owners who got the machine in the mid-nineties. These Marantz machines still fall into that sector of the market that is expected to divest themselves of the player after a couple of years. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 10/16/01 04:32PM >>> Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more thought put into 'sonics'. Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Oct 18 08:49:54 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:49:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] XLR cables.. Message-ID: <10c.716748f.28ffd592@aol.com> Thanks to all for your comments on XLR cables. And thanks especially to Warren, who gave a very interesting link to an informative RANE article on XLR cables... I've finally hooked up the preamp/power amp via 10-foot XLRs, which as someone commented, works with a male XLR at one end and female XLR plug at the other. I like the nice, robust connection and positive lever clicks holding them in. Actually, this type of cable is just considered a microphone extension cord by pro users, and typically the other end is terminated in a 1/4" phono plug that goes into their instruments. The XLRs are running between an Adcom GFP-750 preamp(Nelson Pass design, Pass himself commented that this amp's performance is optimized for balanced output, that's why I wanted the XLRs), and a Sunfire 300wpc power amp. Can't honestly say I can tell a reliable difference in sound quality, dynamics, hiss, or even noise floor. It certainly does not sound any worse. Bass with both types of interconnects is very well defined and forceful, and biwiring my NHT 2.9s using the current outputs for the upper section and voltage outputs for the bass section results in a more 'polite' softer top-end. Not bad a bad result considering the fact that the NHTs could sound etched and even downright bright with certain source material. All in all, I am surprised by how different power amps can sound from each other, much more so apparently than different cables. Thanks again! Dave In a message dated 10/10/2001 4:15:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << Your local musical instrument store (Sam Ash, Guitar Center, etc.) should have XLR cables. You can also buy on-line at www.guitarcenter.com and then click "Buy On-line" in the upper right corner. $24.95 for a 15 foot run of Monster Cable brand. The cable you most likely want are male to female, not female, female. Equipment always has female connector/male pins on the outputs and male connector/female pins on the inputs. Therefore the cable is male to female. For short runs unbalanced RCA cables should be just fine. SJ >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 18 09:15:51 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:15:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP Message-ID: Hi Jim, Does that Pioneer feature the Legato Link circuitry? I personally have no problem with it it. Some have found it to be inconsistent from disc to disc, but apparently they have dealt with this issue at Pioneer. Cheers, Marc >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 10/18/01 08:54AM >>> I can't speak to the Nak or Marantz CD players since I haven't heard them but I can tell you that the Pioneer Elite PD-65 smoked both the Rega Planet and Rotel's current Class C recommended CD player. The Pioneer excels in the area of natural rendered dynamics and non-harsh yet full extended high end. It's the CD player to beat in the under $1500 price range. Pioneer may have discontinued the model but I know that the PD-65 can be found used for $400. Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > thought put into 'sonics'. > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Oct 18 09:35:59 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:35:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... Message-ID: <387BF9A7.4447333C.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Joel, Thank you very much. The address you gave works just fine. I must have been unattentive to the recent changes on Naks.com. With best wishes, Nick. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 10:59:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:59:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP References: <002101c1564f$71b6e020$23299bca@smarzuki> <3BCE7C97.FFD0059B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <029001c157b3$2d22c360$203442cf@sank1> Jim, You really MUST compare a Pioneer CLD-3080 or CLD-95 to the PD-65. Once warmed up, either CD/LD player will, I am quite sure, please your ear far more than the PD-65. And the CLD-95, particularly, does way better as a transport(once a good coax is installed) than the PD-65, due mostly to a much more massive(and gorgeous) brushless platter motor(this, cosmetics & cast chassis are the only differences between 95 & 3080). The CD/LD players that followed(CLD-97 & onward) have sucked, audio-wise, by comparison(and the 97 was the last to be built well). I just bought myself a second CLD-95 for $425 in mint shape, and 3080's can often be had in great shape for as little as (a disgustingly cheap) $150-200. This doesn't include installing a coax digital out for transport use, of course. My apologies to those of you who are weary of my ravings about these players. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Nak vs Marantz CDP > I can't speak to the Nak or Marantz CD players since I haven't heard > them but I can tell you that the Pioneer Elite PD-65 smoked both the > Rega Planet and Rotel's current Class C recommended CD player. The > Pioneer excels in the area of natural rendered dynamics and non-harsh > yet full extended high end. It's the CD player to beat in the under > $1500 price range. Pioneer may have discontinued the model but I know > that the PD-65 can be found used for $400. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Not that off topic really. Has anybody ever compared Nak CD player (MB2 or > > MB1s :-) to Marantz midclass CD63SE or 67SE ? Marantz's seem to receive a > > lot of hype on UK mags, I wonder how good they are. After seeing what's > > inside some of 'modern' cd players, Nak's look more robust and with more > > thought put into 'sonics'. > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 12:35:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:35:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Stephen, Marc, Jim and all, Thanks much for your opinion guys ! Marc, do you remember which Nak model sounded like MD ? I have an old CD4 single disc player that sounds like you described - but upper MB models sound quite good .. and got real good after simple upgrade. Latest 24 bit MB10 is supposedly top rated too, except for lesser assembly quality. What do you think of standard / untweaked marantz models ? 'KI' badged units are almost twice regular 63 price - and I read that mods done on 67 involve replacing most of the original parts anyway (probably this 'tweakability' made it more attractive though). However, with such squeezing of last ounce of performance, I wonder whether that less robust mechanism could get in the way. Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? Best regards, Salim SM > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > power > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > on > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic > is > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup > ? > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > > it > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > decrease > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > for > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > the > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > much > > & > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > signal > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > first > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Oct 18 15:18:47 2001 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:18:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question+ In-Reply-To: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <2312078210.20011018151847@mail.md> this question has been growing into my mind too. what are the supposedly different sound characters of different DAC designs? if the question is too dumb, maybe someone has a good URL link for this kind of information. thanks a lot, Marin - (lost in the garden of x-times oversampling and bits). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sini> and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? sini> Best regards, sini> Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 17:11:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:11:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC digital filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone CD players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out installation. Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of these two players are. The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which is Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely a BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way that 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) are used. As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of ten or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby chips, as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best 24-bit DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Hi Stephen, Marc, Jim and all, > > Thanks much for your opinion guys ! Marc, do you remember which Nak model > sounded like MD ? I have an old CD4 single disc player that sounds like you > described - but upper MB models sound quite good .. and got real good after > simple upgrade. Latest 24 bit MB10 is supposedly top rated too, except for > lesser assembly quality. > > What do you think of standard / untweaked marantz models ? 'KI' badged > units are almost twice regular 63 price - and I read that mods done on 67 > involve replacing most of the original parts anyway (probably this > 'tweakability' made it more attractive though). However, with such > squeezing of last ounce of performance, I wonder whether that less robust > mechanism could get in the way. > > Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also > good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. > and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade > transport > > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version > of > > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased > a > > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > > power > > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser > voltage > > on > > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what > optic > > is > > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC > pickup > > ? > > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher > end > > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. > Give > > > it > > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > > decrease > > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser > itself > > > for > > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for > the > > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope > monitoring > > > the > > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of > how > > much > > > & > > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > > signal > > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in > the > > > first > > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be > touched, > > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 18:28:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:28:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, Thanks much for the detailed description of these Pioneers. They probably have non-US designation as I've never seen one 95/3080 over here, only CLD1720 and other 2xxx / 3xxx. I'll check with that friendly shop which Pioneers use brushless / robust motor. If that's also a combo laser disc player then I may have some luck in finding one, lots of used CLD in the market and oddly some with high asking price - almost twice the gold faceplate Denon LA3xxx. Best regards, Salim Sm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC digital > filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well > implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what > I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my > comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone CD > players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out > installation. > Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of > these two players are. > The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which is > Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more > sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips > CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely a > BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech > of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, > the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way that > 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport > AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) > are used. > As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any > 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of ten > or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby chips, > as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech > very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best 24-bit > DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 18 18:52:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:52:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <031601c157f5$4e955ca0$203442cf@sank1> It should help your search to know that the 3080 & 95 were produced from 1989-90(maybe as late as 92 or 93 on the CLD-95). This will show what a CLD-95 looks like: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284018863 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, > > Thanks much for the detailed description of these Pioneers. They probably > have non-US designation as I've never seen one 95/3080 over here, only > CLD1720 and other 2xxx / 3xxx. I'll check with that friendly shop which > Pioneers use brushless / robust motor. If that's also a combo laser disc > player then I may have some luck in finding one, lots of used CLD in the > market and oddly some with high asking price - almost twice the gold > faceplate Denon LA3xxx. > > Best regards, > Salim Sm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > The Pioneer CLD-3080/95 use 20-bit Analog Devices DAC chips w/8x NPC > digital > > filter. The really surprising thing is that these are extremely well > > implemented, in terms of power supply & output circuits. Well beyond what > > I'd have ever expected to see in a stock Pioneer piece. So, yes, my > > comments were primarily aimed at saying that they are superb stand-alone > CD > > players & secondarily that they make superb transports, with the coax out > > installation. > > Unfortunately, I do not know what the non-USA model number equivalents of > > these two players are. > > The PD-65 is, I am 95 percent sure, a one-bit "Pulseflow" DAC user, which > is > > Pioneer's version of Bitstream. One bit DACs of all types are WAY more > > sensitive to jitter than multi-bit DACs. So, especially in later Philips > > CDM-12-based units, which have high jitter, the crappy mech is absolutely > a > > BIG limiting factor on performance. But, even in the very low jitter mech > > of the CLD-97, which is a dressed up CLD-3080 with Bitstream 1-bit DAC's, > > the sound is markedly inferior to the 3080's 20-bit DACs. The only way > that > > 1-bit DACs can compete with multi-bit is when a very low jitter transport > > AND an ultra-low jitter clocking circuit(as in the Meitner/Museatex BiDAT) > > are used. > > As for the 24-bit DACs in current use, I have so far not seen/heard any > > 24-bit DAC chip that sounds as good as the best of 16/18/20-bit DACs of > ten > > or more years ago. As I have said before, also in reference to Dolby > chips, > > as technology evolves, so does cost-cutting in manufacture, so higher tech > > very often ends up with inferior sound. Last time I looked, the best > 24-bit > > DAC from Burr-Brown carried a high-volume selling price of about $6 each! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Thu Oct 18 18:54:48 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP... In-Reply-To: <387BF9A7.4447333C.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Nick wrote: > Thank you very much. The address you gave works just fine. I must have > been unattentive to the recent changes on Naks.com. Hi... Actually, I don't know anything specific about the site except from accessing it over the past three days; on Monday night I found a really filthy 600 tape deck set out with someone's trash [running perfectly for three days now after lots of cleaning with no tools other than a philips screwdriver, canned air, lots of Novus plastic polish (highly recommended!; also good for the finish on the metal faceplate), and rubbing alcohol]. Before that, I hadn't seen the site for months. I've always wanted a Nak deck, but haven't had the money to invest in one, so I'm really happy that I found one for free. The trick was just to poke around the directories in the URL until I found a combination that worked. As for the Classic Naks site itself, it looks like it hasn't been maintained in a number of months -- the newest entries in the guestbook and message board are a few months old. joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 17 19:38:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:38:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <02e001c157e7$32184dc0$203442cf@sank1> <002a01c15728$f2a82a20$79289bca@smarzuki> <031601c157f5$4e955ca0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c15732$880513e0$79289bca@smarzuki> Definitely never seen that one around here, not even the 3080 (found a pic on UK site). Didn't realize there are sooo many CLDs ever produced. Other nakfellows may want to take a glimpse of this pioneer monster (36 kg !): http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_hld-xo/p ioneer_hld-xo.htm and nothing much but pics - http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/ The one I saw with high asking price was the double tray type deck with plastic frontplate ... well, the hunt will take a long time. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > It should help your search to know that the 3080 & 95 were produced from > 1989-90(maybe as late as 92 or 93 on the CLD-95). > This will show what a CLD-95 looks like: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284018863 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 20:13:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:13:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018103534.BIQT290.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3BCF1BE1.9211B4D6@earthlink.net> Hi Salim, the Pioneer PD-65 is an all-in-one CD player with a 1 bit DAC, coax and optical digital outputs. The DAC is 1 bit and uses a Legato Link digital filter. According to Pioneer, the filter is less steep and lets in a little of the 22 Khz sampling noise. In return, phase accuracy is improved. Sonically, I can tell you that the player does indeed have fully extended highs which happen to be very smooth and listenable for a digital device. I haven't heard the CLD-95 but lived quite happily with the PD-65 for over eight years. I've also compared it to several players in the $1000 price range (Rotel, Rega, California Audio Labs, etc) and also preferred the Pioneer by a wide margin. Jim Volpatti > Pioneer Elite CLD / PD player is very tempting, is its internal dac also > good or strictly as a transport only ? Is it a multibit or 1 bit machine .. > and what is the consensus on 'bit method' that sounds better ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Oct 19 20:55:11 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:55:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c158cf$94d8df40$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > Hi Graham, > > Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Naks specks doesn't differ according to the mainssupply freq/voltage. Btw. US has 60 cycles. > I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. That's all .... Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Oct 18 21:22:08 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:22:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... Message-ID: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> don't click this unless you have so much spare time: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 00:00:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:00:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <047801c158e9$7fd0d020$203442cf@sank1> How the hell do you lose a speaker of that size in your house?! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > don't click this unless you have so much spare time: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Oct 20 00:48:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:48:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <003601c1580a$2e857520$67289bca@smarzuki> <047801c158e9$7fd0d020$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD0ADC2.74A47C66@pacbell.net> You need to have a very big house and a very bad memory. Is there something important about this UGLY speaker that Nakers should know about? Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > How the hell do you lose a speaker of that size in your house?! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > > > don't click this unless you have so much spare time: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284790900 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Oct 20 01:11:57 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 01:11:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Stephan, Can you tell me something about the quality of Harman/Kardon cd players? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade transport > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version of > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased a > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > power > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > on > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what optic > is > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC pickup > ? > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. Give > > it > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > decrease > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > for > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > the > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > much > > & > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > signal > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > first > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 01:23:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:23:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Hello Stephan, > > Can you tell me something about the quality of Harman/Kardon cd players? > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Oh, and "Marantz's higher end" is an oxymoron, since the top grade > transport > > they use is the horrible "CDM-12Pro", which is just a metal base version > of > > the horrible CDM-12 piece of crap. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > > > Considering previous heavy usage, big chance laser output has decreased > a > > > bit (lens recently cleaned). Local friendly shop doesn't use optical > > power > > > meter either so I'll give laser pot a slight twist and be prepared to > > > replace the optics. Can this current be monitored through laser voltage > > on > > > pcb's test point ? Manual says to check for 50-60mA (?). BTW what > optic > > is > > > on this MB1s ... it says Sanyo K 8033-2651 and manual states SF91NC > pickup > > ? > > > Is it easier to find than MB2's KSS210A ? > > > > > > Also thanks for your recommendation to avoid those modern CDPs, that > > > includes Marantz CD63/67SE doesn't it ? What about marantz's higher end > > > CD17, would that possibly be an 'upgrade' from MB2 ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > Increased scratch sensitivity is most often just dust on the lens. > Give > > > it > > > > a gentle swiping with a q-tip. The next likely thing is a slight > > > decrease > > > > in laser light output. There is an adjustment pot on the laser itself > > > for > > > > this, but one should ideally have a laser optical power meter for the > > > > adjustment(to 0.15mW output), or minimally an oscilloscope monitoring > > > the > > > > laser's signal output, which can at least give a relative idea of how > > much > > > & > > > > which way to turn the trimpot(i.e., to increase the amplitude of the > > > signal > > > > by no more than 20 percent). If the unit was properly tweaked in the > > > first > > > > place, it is unlikely that any other adjustments need ever be touched, > > > > unless a new laser is installed. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 06:47:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam 9 is > $1000. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 08:29:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any direct or even anecdotal experience with it. Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. Pretty sad, isn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:02:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000601c1588d$a6e764a0$50289bca@smarzuki> Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better player than average current models. It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your help ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:21:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left Message-ID: <001001c15890$360f6cc0$50289bca@smarzuki> More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got so many goodies as security deposit ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 13:29:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 20 17:24:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 19 18:27:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000e01c158ba$f265be40$7c289bca@smarzuki> Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can get better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be around. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 18:37:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <001801c15891$440d2960$50289bca@smarzuki> <006c01c1597b$544c71b0$0c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <00c001c15985$8f9da400$7a2bfea9@brianm> I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago! FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it regardless. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Sat Oct 20 19:59:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:59:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD1BB81.36B3133C@pacbell.net> Stephen and Nakers, given the opinions recently shared about the oldies being better than the newbies regarding CD players (interesting how often oldies are better in so many categories than newbies) what is generally entailed (please don't spend alot of time typing the specifics of the addition, just the general cost and in labor and materials) in adding a digital out to very good 1 bit players. Your thoughts on my mcd7000 seem positive. Would this be a unit that could be retrofitted for digital out, even though, I suspect, it might devalue a great, classic mac component. When you refer to transport of disc players, does that also include the optics? Thanks all. p.s. here are some great speakers if you live close enough to pick 'em up http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286025939 Brian Stocker > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sat Oct 20 20:20:25 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:20:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 In-Reply-To: <200110201659.SAA01579@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam 9 is > $1000. Best regards, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any direct or even anecdotal experience with it. Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. Pretty sad, isn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better player than average current models. It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your help ! Best regards, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got so many goodies as security deposit ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 >=20 > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = Hi-Fi=20 News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these=20 expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = 760 for=20 $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = my=20 other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = Digital will=20 probably be here before we know it!
 
John
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>
> What a beautiful tuner !  (large pictures, = takes=20 time)
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D128= 5104010
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>=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can get better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be around. Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I = haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a = good tuner a long time ago! FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it = regardless. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John M. Tooley=20 To: naktalk at naks.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how = often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 >=20 > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette = Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I purchased my first tuner since the = 80's last=20 year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = wish I=20 would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
 
FM could be great if they would quit = compressing=20 the signal!!!!!!!!!
 
I do wonder if I bought in at the = decline of=20 FM.  I am enjoying it regardless.
 
Brian Miller
Michigan
http://brian.grar.com
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = in Hi-Fi=20 News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = these=20 expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = B 760=20 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = part with=20 my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = Digital=20 will probably be here before we know it!
 
John
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> What a beautiful tuner !  (large pictures, = takes=20 time)
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D128= 5104010
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 20:38:52 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 References: Message-ID: <00f401c15996$77c2b4e0$7a2bfea9@brianm> Tom, Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box unit) I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy with CD. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better > player than average current models. > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > help ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > From: "John M. Tooley" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > John > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > >=20 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > >=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > 760 for=20 > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > my=20 > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital will=20 > probably be here before we know it!
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I purchased my first tuner since the = > 80's last=20 > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > wish I=20 > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > in Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > B 760=20 > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > part with=20 > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital=20 > will probably be here before we know it!
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sat Oct 20 21:01:04 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:01:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 In-Reply-To: <200110201901.VAA02271@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Brian, Interesting that you went from a 1 box to separates and back to a 1 box. With the incremental changes you made could you actually attribute differences when changing the transports? I would think the LD transport would have been superior to a CD only transport, but this is only based on the reading about the Pioneer unit, which I believe the Theta transport was based on? Or was the Theta basic a CD only transport? I read about jitter, timing errors, and etc. but my logic still sez bits it bits and as long as they are retrieved off the disk and sent to the D/A section properly I can't see how a transport would affect sound quality. But maybe the differences are in the timing/jitter/clocking and cabling issues? Always found it interesting that Meridians 800 series uses what looks like a PC CD ROM drive and I know Stephen has recommended the Musetex transport as being a reliable one. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 14:01 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1425 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 Tom, Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box unit) I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy with CD. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when the > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to listen > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1423 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both worlds > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with Bitstream's > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the Arcam > 9 is > $1000. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass home > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a better > player than average current models. > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables as > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 mA > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > help ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > From: "John M. Tooley" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > John > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > >=20 > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > >=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > 760 for=20 > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > my=20 > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital will=20 > probably be here before we know it!
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John
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I purchased my first tuner since the = > 80's last=20 > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > wish I=20 > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > in Hi-Fi=20 > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > these=20 > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > B 760=20 > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > part with=20 > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > Digital=20 > will probably be here before we know it!
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John
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1425 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Oct 20 21:15:12 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:15:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 References: Message-ID: <011d01c1599b$8b342d60$7a2bfea9@brianm> I am heading out the door, so I haven't a lot of time, but yes, I heard improvements on every upgrade, or I wouldn't of made the changes. The Theta Data Basic is just a CD transport. It's my understanding that the Theta is based on Phillips. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 > Brian, > > Interesting that you went from a 1 box to separates and back to a 1 box. > With the incremental changes you made could you actually attribute > differences when changing the transports? I would think the LD transport > would have been superior to a CD only transport, but this is only based on > the reading about the Pioneer unit, which I believe the Theta transport was > based on? Or was the Theta basic a CD only transport? > > I read about jitter, timing errors, and etc. but my logic still sez bits it > bits and as long as they are retrieved off the disk and sent to the D/A > section properly I can't see how a transport would affect sound quality. But > maybe the differences are in the timing/jitter/clocking and cabling issues? > Always found it interesting that Meridians 800 series uses what looks like a > PC CD ROM drive and I know Stephen has recommended the Musetex transport as > being a reliable one. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 14:01 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1425 > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1425 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0400 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > Tom, > > Years back I used a Denon CD player and then later added a separate Theta > Pro Prime DAC and it clearly improved it. Through the years I made > upgrades, as follows: I changed the Denon DCD1520 to a Phillipis CDV400 > laser disc player (It had a good transport in it for $400, I used it with > the Theta DAC), upgraded from the Phillips to a Theta Data Basic transport, > then a Pro Prime II DAC and now I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, one box > unit) > > I have no doubts that you can improve a low buck CD player with a separate > DAC, if it allows for one. There are some awesome deals on used CD players > these days. I am not sure of the new formats, there are many people happy > with CD. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Dedrick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > > I too purchased a Fanfare FT-1A FM tuner, but about 2 1/2 years ago when > the > > model first came out. Have to agree it has made a huge difference for me, > > even though I have a grand total of 1, yes one, decent FM station to > listen > > to, which is our local PBS station and their fund drive is on now. > > > > With all this talk about poor quality CD players, who has had experience > > with separate transports and D/A converters? Do different transports > > actually make the differences the audio press would lead us to believe? I > > have never done this as I can't bring myself to purchase an outboard D/A > > converter in this ever changing digital world, but I must say I have been > > tempted to as my cable box has a digital out and my Rega planet 1 box CD > > player does too. And I have seen several sound cards for the PC's with > > digital outs. I definitely see a trend this way. > > > > TomD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:00 > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1423 > > > > > > naktalk-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number > 1423 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:47:56 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:29:50 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be > to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I > have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:02:40 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > Pretty sad for me and others with average budget, as now it's only either > > mass market crap or multibuck players. Finally CDP - and most midclass > home > > stereo - has gone the cassette deck way, where we need to look for the > > 'oldies' .. well, 94-95 doesn't sound that old anyway. :-) > > > > Speaking of which, my MB1s laser current as measured on pcb TP has already > > dropped to 41.0 mA as opposed to recommended 50-60 mA ... so it is getting > > old. However I think after optics replacement, I will end up with a > better > > player than average current models. > > > > It will take some time to find exact replacement, as most Sanyo SF91 over > > here has only connectors on the optics unit - instead of attached cables > as > > on the original. In the meantime I turned the optics trimpot to get 46.5 > mA > > and now it plays scratched discs better. Again ... thanks much for your > > help ! > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a > > few > > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of > good > > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read > the > > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having > > any > > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, > or > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:21:33 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: [naktalk] FYI - good looking SR4 for $38 still 1.5 day left > > > > More of that interesting descriptions on ebay. What a landlord ... he got > > so many goodies as security deposit ! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285476017 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:29:06 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285104010 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:24:36 -0400 > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi = > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > - ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > >=20 > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > >=20 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck = > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >=20 > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > >
I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > > Hi-Fi=20 > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these=20 > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B = > > 760 for=20 > > $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with = > > my=20 > > other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > > Digital will=20 > > probably be here before we know it!
> >
 
> >
John
> >
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>=20 > > > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15959.CCB12F50-- > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:25 +0700 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > Hmm ... I thought we've bypassed the d.a.b. and go straight to 'oldies' > > analog tuner ! :-) Actually worldspace is one neat idea if only we can > get > > better sound quality - but I also wonder how long the company will be > > around. > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B > 760 > > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part > with > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. > > Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:37:50 -0400 > > From: "Brian Miller" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. I = > > haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a = > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it = > > regardless. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: John M. Tooley=20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in = > > Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how = > > often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, = > > Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, = > > I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are = > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > > > > >=20 > > > What a beautiful tuner ! (large pictures, takes time) > > >=20 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1285104010 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette = > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK = > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > = > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-------------------------------------------------= > > - -----------------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > >=20 > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15964.0811CAF0 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > > > >
I purchased my first tuner since the = > > 80's last=20 > > year, a Fanfare FT-1A.  I haven't used my system this much ever, I = > > wish I=20 > > would of purchased a good tuner a long time ago!
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> >
FM could be great if they would quit = > > compressing=20 > > the signal!!!!!!!!!
> >
 
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I do wonder if I bought in at the = > > decline of=20 > > FM.  I am enjoying it regardless.
> >
 
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Brian Miller
Michigan
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I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner = > > in Hi-Fi=20 > > News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often = > > these=20 > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, = > > B 760=20 > > for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not = > > part with=20 > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. = > > Digital=20 > > will probably be here before we know it!
> >
 
> >
John
> >
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 20 22:02:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:02:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> <3BD1BB81.36B3133C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <05c401c159a2$35df86a0$203442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, the Mac MCD7000 has the generation of DSP chip set that was before SPDIF digital out was brought into wide use, so it is impossible to add one. When speaking of transports, this very much includes the laser optical pickup. For instance, when I speak of the criminally cheap & horrible Philips CDM-12 series, 2/3 of my disgust for it is about the laser. It is so cheap that the laser diode(a rather hot running device) is integrated onto the same chip die as the photodiode array(a very sensitive bit). This is why they fail so frequently, I am sure. The lasers from Sharp of the last few years(as used in the so-called "pro" Denon CD players)are made the same way, with simlar reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephen and Nakers, > > given the opinions recently shared about the oldies being better than the newbies > regarding CD players (interesting how often oldies are better in so many categories > than newbies) what is generally entailed (please don't spend alot of time typing the > specifics of the addition, just the general cost and in labor and materials) in adding > a digital out to very good 1 bit players. Your thoughts on my mcd7000 seem positive. > Would this be a unit that could be retrofitted for digital out, even though, I > suspect, it might devalue a great, classic mac component. When you refer to transport > of disc players, does that also include the optics? > > Thanks all. > > p.s. here are some great speakers if you live close enough to pick 'em up > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286025939 > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Sat Oct 20 23:40:45 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 In-Reply-To: <00c001c15985$8f9da400$7a2bfea9@brianm> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > good tuner a long time ago! > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > regardless. I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now than ever... I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while hanging around on the computer. As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard sales. Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:28:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:28:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question Message-ID: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:49:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <15f.29f6e3b.290375b7@aol.com> In a message dated 10/20/2001 4:42:55 PM Central Daylight Time, joelll at genericdomain.net writes: << Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. >> Hi Joel, I too like my Denon DCD 1520, although I need to send it to Stephen to fix the sticking drawer, and resolder a ground plug that is causing static during playback. It's a nice unit, and has a digital out to use with a separate DAC. Stephen - are there any mods you'd recommend for the Denon DCD 1520? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:57:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:57:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <105.b13e60b.29037766@aol.com> Does anyone on this list own the Nak ST-7 tuner? I've only heard good things about it and am curious to learn more. Also, check out the new McIntosh MR 85 tuner. I don't understand why you would want to run two separate, independent tuners at the same time, but you can with this model. http://www.mcintoshlabs.com -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Oct 21 03:52:33 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:52:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD22A60.29052B74@snet.net> I would suggest that a number of people I've talked to consider the Sony DVP-7000 and DVP-7700 to be very good quality transports. The DVP-7000 is actually first generation top of the line (read best that Sony will ever make before the backhill slide they're famous for) and has earned a bit of a cult following as a audio only transport. I can't say too much good about the analog outs, but with an outboard converter I have found myself very pleased. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > worlds > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > Bitstream's > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > Review also calls this £1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > Arcam > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 04:35:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:35:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: Message-ID: <002601c1590f$f2fc7f60$78289bca@smarzuki> Hi Joel, Check this one out, Kenwood L-07T. Seller says this is up there with TU-X1 and better than most 'big macs' ..... please direct flames to the seller, not me. :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287395499 Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > > regardless. > > I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy > too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now > than ever... > > I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, > there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally > got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which > went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an > attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. > > I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass > Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I > also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one > commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with > rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I > also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, > whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. > > But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up > in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape > deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both > pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while > hanging around on the computer. > > As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I > intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably > priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's > Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my > livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic > Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard > sales. > > Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have > is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my > bedroom system. > > > joel > > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 04:46:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:46:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: <73.14c224b1.290390f3@aol.com> Hi All, I'm curious, and please forgive me if I missed it as I'm just flying though all of the posts, but how come no one mentioned Magnum Dynalab during the discussion of tuners? Again, just curious... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 05:04:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:04:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> Message-ID: <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable than average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, > or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 05:12:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:12:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player References: <20011018045747.CBGO11522.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <026a01c1579b$34025500$203442cf@sank1> <007801c158f3$730ccb00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <04b401c158f5$1230bba0$203442cf@sank1> <000301c15859$38fca6a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <058901c15930$9fc9f680$203442cf@sank1> <3BD22A60.29052B74@snet.net> Message-ID: <063901c159de$38382560$203442cf@sank1> A friend of mine has the DVP-S7000, then bought a Museatex CD-D on my recommendation. The CD-D was the clear winner as a transport. Shortly after getting the CD-D, the Sony started failing. As do most Sony DVD units after a year or so. Their reliability record is only a little better than Panasonic's, which is really bad. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Decent DVD player > I would suggest that a number of people I've talked to consider the Sony DVP-7000 and > DVP-7700 to be very good quality transports. The DVP-7000 is actually first generation > top of the line (read best that Sony will ever make before the backhill slide they're > famous for) and has earned a bit of a cult following as a audio only transport. I > can't say too much good about the analog outs, but with an outboard converter I have > found myself very pleased. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > There is no DVD player as of yet that I would recommend. There may be a few > > that sound good, but I don't know of any that have proven any kind of good > > reliability. And there are lots of them that have proven very poor > > reliability. This is one reason I would have big reservations about the > > Arcam FMJ, which I just did a search & read a bit about. I also read the > > info on dCs's website about the "ring DAC". Lots of babble & no actual > > technical details, so I have no idea what to think about it, not having any > > direct or even anecdotal experience with it. > > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or transport, or > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > Pretty sad, isn't it? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > Stephen, so now it looks like we are having hard time getting decent new > > > player at medium price. Probably below $600-700 our best bet would be to > > > find quality used player or dvd player ... or maybe you still have any > > > favorite among midclass modern CDPs ? > > > > > > What's your opinion on Arcam's Ring DAC ... is it truly best of both > > worlds > > > ? One review of FMJ says "... here was Multibit's emotion with > > Bitstream's > > > focus. ..." which probably reflects the consensus view of each method. > > > Review also calls this �1100 player a "budget" super-fi - but even the > > Arcam > > > 9 is > $1000. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > > > > I've never seen a Harman/Kardon CD player I could recommend. All I have > > > > seen from them ranged from just OK to sub-standard & many of the newer > > > > models tend to develop fatally flakey problems. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Oct 21 05:19:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:19:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around, this is the McIntosh system 4u Message-ID: <133.35a99b1.290398bf@aol.com> Anyone ever heard these speakers? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287286014 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 21 17:29:04 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:29:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Stephan, What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or someting like that ? And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr brown inside ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be > wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable than > average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video > performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or > transport, > > or > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 18:09:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:09:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <001601c15981$88ad5a40$861a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Norman, I'm also curiously waiting for Stephen's recommendation ! In the meantime, I'd like to add that inside Nak CD Player 3 there's already a 20bit Burr Brown dac ... and inside MB1s / MB2 there are two (!) BB for each channel's low level and high level signal for 'extended linearity', fwiw. Another interesting note, Naim are quoted using 16 bit dacs on its $4k & $7.5k players, maybe a typo on stereo review buyers guide ... Best regards, Salim SM PS: does anybody have datasheet for this BB's PCM1700 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephan, > > What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. > You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or > someting like that ? > And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr > brown inside ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Sun Oct 21 18:23:21 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:23:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:02:07 MDT." <04b701c1477e$861d40c0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <200110211623.MAA02161@herrman.road> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A very belated follow-up to the helpful comments I received when contemplating purchasing a 582z about a month ago. The deck looks great, and passed the tests suggested by Stephen, so I snapped it up at $150 (and sent my 480 to be tuned up by Stephen as a gift for a Nak-curious friend). I haven't had enough time to compare carefully this deck with my 680zx. It's not obvious to me which should be used for playing, and which for recording, on tape-to-tape dupes. To my ears and in my system they sound about the same, that is very good. What do the different calibrating methods amount to in the end? On the 680zx one sets the switch to ``cal'', pushes play-record and it works for a few seconds (blinking light stabilizes). Then one adjusts the level on the meters. On the 582z there are two test tones and sets of calibrating screws. Does this do a better job than the 680zx? Should I be going through the entire procedure for each tape if I always use the same media (TDK SA90s)? I couldn't do anything useful by passing the 400khz tone from the 582z in to the 680zx, could I? There are a number of slight differences. On the recording side, the 582z has Dolby C, which I don't care about, while the 680zx has half-speed, which is occasionally useful for FM recording. The 680zx also has the RAMM function, which I find convenient. I don't like the meters on the 582z at all in comparison to the 50-segment display on the 680zx, or the analogue meters on the 480 (the only thing I'll really miss on my old deck). Best, Jud PS Are there archives of this list available anywhere? They would be a valuable resource. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html iQCVAwUBO9L2cvhj30kBwGixAQFJLgQAg8fT1V4rLzoB6+XOKjssBtYNQU715efh NseqoE1L4gQKfK5ab5RgnHd3TC5FnNsMFlmClxdw16IelSuzb47olnIDpWlGJBSE /5BgbXoEz2680d0tSS+zBa2+zEoAws6JV5GGMTuebBmCLU8a9N1dYKnx01yYiQxE fLnwwxMbNYs= =tnOn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 21 19:51:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:51:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... In-Reply-To: <3BD0ADC2.74A47C66@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <002201c15a58$fb635ee0$7cb2193e@a4s1s2> Yes Brian - there is a disease called Nakasenilia that affects us older guys with Naks and it's associated with the affliction that appears to have affected the guy who lost the speaker. We have to be on our guard for it. First signs of it are not being able to find your Nakamichi remote, or even if you have one. Thereafter it degenerates into forgetting where the cassettes are and finally, "losing" the decks .... Dr Nonsense, MD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: 19 October 2001 23:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... You need to have a very big house and a very bad memory. Is there something important about this UGLY speaker that Nakers should know about? Brian Stocker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 20 21:13:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:13:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... References: <002201c15a58$fb635ee0$7cb2193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000f01c1599b$50c0cc60$4a289bca@smarzuki> Now I understand why nak offered *wired* remote ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] talk about disappearing speakers ... > Yes Brian - there is a disease called Nakasenilia that affects us older guys > with Naks and it's associated with the affliction that appears to have > affected the guy who lost the speaker. We have to be on our guard for it. > First signs of it are not being able to find your Nakamichi remote, or even > if you have one. Thereafter it degenerates into forgetting where the > cassettes are and finally, "losing" the decks .... > > Dr Nonsense, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 21 23:59:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:59:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question References: <103.adb7f97.290370ba@aol.com> <062f01c159dd$25159360$203442cf@sank1> <002001c15a45$1e302700$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <06c301c15a7b$b8d79d20$203442cf@sank1> The OMS-5/7/5II/7II were really nice players, but I consider the CDPlayer2 to be the best of Nak players, followed closely by the CDPlayer1. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > Stephan, > > What is in your opinion a good and reliable cd player then. > You speak about the oldies ? Must we all buy a Nakamichi OMS 5/7 player , or > someting like that ? > And does it sound just as good as the newer generation players with burr > brown inside ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > I've seen enough "needs repair" ebay auctions on Pioneer DVD units to be > > wary of their reliability, but it seems they are at least more reliable > than > > average. Which isn't saying much. I know the DV-09 is a good video > > performer, but I haven't heard anyone rave about it's audio. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MB2 op amp & laser question > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:52:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > > > << > Honestly, I can't think of a currently produced CD player or > > transport, > > > or > > > > DVD unit, that I would recommend over the "oldies" I've talked about. > > > > Pretty sad, isn't it? >> > > > > > > Hey Stephen, what about the Pioneer DV-09? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 22 00:43:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:43:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z References: <200110211623.MAA02161@herrman.road> Message-ID: <06dd01c15a81$ccb0bba0$203442cf@sank1> The 582z has one advantage over the 680ZX- the bias level calibration tone & trimpots. The 680ZX has only level calibration, along with the auto rec head azimuth. To best use the calibrations, while in record, turn on the 400Hz tone & use the bias trimmers to maximize the meter readings, then trim the levels to 0vu. Then, switch to 15kHz & trim to 0vu with the bias trimmers. Then, go back to 400Hz & trim if needed to 0vu. If the 680ZX is accurately calibrated, then using TDK D, SA(or maxell XLII) & MA should yield as accurate bias as the 582z, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > A very belated follow-up to the helpful comments I received when > contemplating purchasing a 582z about a month ago. > > The deck looks great, and passed the tests suggested by Stephen, so I > snapped it up at $150 (and sent my 480 to be tuned up by Stephen as a > gift for a Nak-curious friend). > > I haven't had enough time to compare carefully this deck with my > 680zx. It's not obvious to me which should be used for playing, and > which for recording, on tape-to-tape dupes. To my ears and in my > system they sound about the same, that is very good. > > What do the different calibrating methods amount to in the end? On the > 680zx one sets the switch to ``cal'', pushes play-record and it works > for a few seconds (blinking light stabilizes). Then one adjusts the > level on the meters. On the 582z there are two test tones and sets of > calibrating screws. Does this do a better job than the 680zx? Should I > be going through the entire procedure for each tape if I always use > the same media (TDK SA90s)? I couldn't do anything useful by passing > the 400khz tone from the 582z in to the 680zx, could I? > > There are a number of slight differences. On the recording side, the > 582z has Dolby C, which I don't care about, while the 680zx has > half-speed, which is occasionally useful for FM recording. The 680zx > also has the RAMM function, which I find convenient. I don't like the > meters on the 582z at all in comparison to the 50-segment display on > the 680zx, or the analogue meters on the 480 (the only thing I'll > really miss on my old deck). > > Best, Jud > > PS Are there archives of this list available anywhere? They would be a > valuable resource. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html > > iQCVAwUBO9L2cvhj30kBwGixAQFJLgQAg8fT1V4rLzoB6+XOKjssBtYNQU715efh > NseqoE1L4gQKfK5ab5RgnHd3TC5FnNsMFlmClxdw16IelSuzb47olnIDpWlGJBSE > /5BgbXoEz2680d0tSS+zBa2+zEoAws6JV5GGMTuebBmCLU8a9N1dYKnx01yYiQxE > fLnwwxMbNYs= > =tnOn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 22 00:36:42 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:36:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AB7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Maurits, I think I was half asleep when I wrote about the countries and the cycles in the mains voltage. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Maurits [mailto:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 4:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > Hi Graham, > > Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Naks specks doesn't differ according to the mainssupply freq/voltage. Btw. US has 60 cycles. > I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. That's all .... Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I also have very, very little money to spend on audio *anything* right now... joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Oct 22 12:06:25 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:06:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 Message-ID: Couldn't agree more Joel, Sansui's heydey seemed to have been in the 70's - their tuners were as good as anything around today for sensible money and I have a soft spot for graduates of the great 70s receiver wars. They concentrated on the basics, and then overdid them. Rather a fun type of credo I guess. Good luck on finding that tuner. Cheers, Marc >>> joelll at genericdomain.net 10/20/01 11:40PM >>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > good tuner a long time ago! > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > regardless. I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now than ever... I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while hanging around on the computer. As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard sales. Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my bedroom system. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 21 14:53:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:53:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - External DAC Message-ID: <000d01c15a2f$5d25b6c0$69289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Considering that we're (at least in my case) somewhat stuck to oldies for better midclass players ... does anybody has a 'good value' (read - on the cheap side) external dac recommendation ? And for curiosity's sake, does anybody know if there's an external Ring DAC available other than dCS Elgar's expensive unit ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 18:55:35 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:55:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <105.b13e60b.29037766@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD44F86.C8727207@pacbell.net> Hi Sam and Nakers, My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a cigarette pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner module. I think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according to Stephen and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me the tuner info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. Pick up an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on this list own the Nak ST-7 tuner? I've only heard good things > about it and am curious to learn more. Also, check out the new McIntosh MR > 85 tuner. I don't understand why you would want to run two separate, > independent tuners at the same time, but you can with this model. > > http://www.mcintoshlabs.com > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 19:05:51 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:05:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 References: <002601c1590f$f2fc7f60$78289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BD451EE.6A4CA748@pacbell.net> I'd rather have a "big mac", much easier on the teeth :-) Brian Stocker Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Check this one out, Kenwood L-07T. Seller says this is up there with TU-X1 > and better than most 'big macs' ..... please direct flames to the seller, > not me. :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287395499 > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Herda" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I purchased my first tuner since the 80's last year, a Fanfare FT-1A. > > > I haven't used my system this much ever, I wish I would of purchased a > > > good tuner a long time ago! > > > > > > FM could be great if they would quit compressing the signal!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > I do wonder if I bought in at the decline of FM. I am enjoying it > > > regardless. > > > > I don't think FM is about to disappear. The drive-time market makes wayyy > > too much money for them. And US drivers spend more time in traffic now > > than ever... > > > > I think it may depend on where you live. Here in the Boston radio market, > > there's a lot to listen to, though after 21 years of listening, I finally > > got fed up with the format of the local alternative station, WFNX, which > > went from alternative to rap/grunge and started hiring shock-jocks in an > > attempt to land the 18-24 year old audience. Bleah. > > > > I mostly listen to college radio now, WERS (Emerson College), WUMB (UMass > > Boston), WMBR (MIT), and other weird stuff at the left end of the dial. I > > also occasionally remember to listen to the friday night 80's on one > > commercial station, WXRV, and the only actualy 1950's oldies show with > > rockabilly and do-wop on Sunday night on the local oldies station WODS. I > > also spend a fair amount of time listening to the local classical station, > > whose call letters I can't remember at the moment. > > > > But I listen to a *lot* of radio... although I have a full stereo set up > > in my study (Sansui 4000 receiver, Sony CA9ES cd player, Nak 600 tape > > deck, and Original Large Advent and Genesis Physics model I speakers (both > > pairs driven sound quite good together)), I mostly listen to radio while > > hanging around on the computer. > > > > As far as FM tuners go, although I don't have the budget right now, I > > intend to pick up one of the Sansui TU-9900 or TU-X1 tuners are reasonably > > priced (they go on ebay for about $500-600). I just happen to like 1970's > > Sansui gear (in addition to the 4000 receiver mentioned above, my > > livingroom system is currently using a model Eight receiver). And classic > > Sansui components go pretty cheaply on ebay, and even more cheaply at yard > > sales. > > > > Oh, as far as CD players go, the CA9ES is okay, the Marantz CC-63se i have > > is so-so, but I really like my old Denon DCD1520, still going strong in my > > bedroom system. > > > > > > joel > > > > > > -- > > Joel Herda > > joelll at genericdomain.net > > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <12a.627fd8e.2905afde@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 12:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << I have heard that these speakers sound excellent and were Roger Russells's last great mega- speaker he designed for Mac. I contacted the seller and, unfortunately, all original boxes and crates were trashed. For those who live close to this region, this auction would be a great investment to own or resell if the reserve does not go too high. Selling complete systems on ebay is usually a mistake as individual items usually can fetch more. Brian Stocker >> Thanks Brian. If I had the cash on-hand, and I'm not what you would call a Mac fan, I'd purchase this system and sell a few components. Can anyone tell me what the 3rd amp is used for? I understand the two mono-blocks used to drive those huge speakers, but what is the other amp being used for? And yes Brian you're correct - some of those components would gather more if sold separately. Although, given the current economy, used stereo equipment can not demand the top dollar as it did just a year ago. It seems like everyone is selling their equipment for quick cash. Time for me to bump up my savings... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 19:29:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:29:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam and Nakers, My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a cigarette pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner module. I think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according to Stephen and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me the tuner info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. Pick up an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! Brian Stocker >> MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Oct 22 20:00:05 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:00:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <011501c15b23$62098aa0$8f021fac@brianm> Sam, The Mac MR78 and 80 seem to be the tops for the Mc tuners. I thought about purchasing a MR80 at one time, I like the looks and digital display of the MR80, even though those in the know say the 78 is slightly better. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 20:33:02 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:33:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,this isthe Mc... References: <12a.627fd8e.2905afde@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4665F.B449B4B7@pacbell.net> Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker wiring configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe dreams can be had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 amp for the tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's shown and they are really nice! Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 12:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << I have heard that these speakers sound excellent and were Roger Russells's > last great > mega- speaker he designed for Mac. I contacted the seller and, > unfortunately, all > original boxes and crates were trashed. For those who live close to this > region, this > auction would be a great investment to own or resell if the reserve does not > go too > high. Selling complete systems on ebay is usually a mistake as individual > items > usually can fetch more. > > Brian Stocker > >> > > Thanks Brian. If I had the cash on-hand, and I'm not what you would call a > Mac fan, I'd purchase this system and sell a few components. Can anyone tell > me what the 3rd amp is used for? I understand the two mono-blocks used to > drive those huge speakers, but what is the other amp being used for? And yes > Brian you're correct - some of those components would gather more if sold > separately. Although, given the current economy, used stereo equipment can > not demand the top dollar as it did just a year ago. It seems like everyone > is selling their equipment for quick cash. Time for me to bump up my > savings... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 20:35:15 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD466E4.4322059B@pacbell.net> I am just going on info from Stephen regarding his favorite Mac tuners. Maybe he will chime in. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 20:34:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:34:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,this isthe Mc... Message-ID: <3e.133df89d.2905c0c3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker wiring configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe dreams can be had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 amp for the tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's shown and they are really nice! >> Hi Brian, Thank you. I didn't recall that conversation. Given the speakers that gentlemen is running in that particular system, I can understand the amplification setup. Seems a bit over the top, but I would like to listen to that particular Mac system nonetheless. How much has your electric bill increased since running that Mac 2600? (LOL). And, how sensitive are the speakers you're using as I understand that will affect how "hot" your amp runs? Also, do you hear an audible hum or buzz when no signal is present? I understand this is common in large Mac amps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 22 20:40:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:40:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <07e401c15b29$0dccd900$203442cf@sank1> The MR7082 is not quite as "stock Japanese" as the 7083 & beyond, but it is well down that path, and not half as good as the MR80. But, of course, the MR71 tube tuner is yet an echelon above the MR80 & other SS tuners. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > cigarette > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > module. I > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, according > to Stephen > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed me > the tuner > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack tuner. > Pick up > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar tuner! > > Brian Stocker >> > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high user > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 20:48:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:48:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <152.2d34ce3.2905c406@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The MR7082 is not quite as "stock Japanese" as the 7083 & beyond, but it is well down that path, and not half as good as the MR80. But, of course, the MR71 tube tuner is yet an echelon above the MR80 & other SS tuners. >> I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Oct 22 21:10:07 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:10:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... In-Reply-To: <011501c15b23$62098aa0$8f021fac@brianm> References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022145810.00aadec0@mail.verizon.net> Unless you need the killer sensitivity of the 78 or 80, go for the sound. And for that, the two finest tuners ever made were the Marantz FM-10B and the McIntosh MR-71. Coincidence they're both tube tuners? I've owned both, and I currently use the 71, superbly aligned by none other than Mr. Sank. Which sounded better? To me it was a toss-up. I loved the scope on the 10B but the Mac was more trouble free, less finicky. But regardless which tuner you listen to, _GET AN EXPANDER TO COMPENSATE FOR THE COMPRESSION USED BY THE BROADCASTERS!!!_ The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some decent units. _____________________________Marc Stager ============================= At 10/22/01, you wrote: >Sam, > >The Mac MR78 and 80 seem to be the tops for the Mc tuners. I thought about >purchasing a MR80 at one time, I like the looks and digital display of the >MR80, even though those in the know say the 78 is slightly better. > >Brian Miller >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 22 21:20:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:20:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... In-Reply-To: <152.2d34ce3.2905c406@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c15b2e$a29ce8e0$006987d9@a4s1s2> I think you're right, Sam. That's what's wrong with Rolls Royce cars, now with foreign engines, or even the famous Mini car - now manufactured in Germany. Their inherent British-ness, like the McIntosh's inherent American-ism, were an integral part of their charm and attraction. When businesses forget the USP of their products they lose their edge because McIntosh becomes just another run of the mill amp, and a Roll Royce becomes just another luxury car. Indeed, I have heard it argued that Nakamichi did much the same to their cassette decks when they moved the manufacturing out of Japan. Indeed, a Sony Trinitron flat screen TV never had the same attraction when it said "Made in Ireland" on it as it did when it said "Made in Japan" because making TV's is what Japan is supposed to be good at. Likewise, what self-respecting whisky drinker would buy a bottle that said "Made in Japan" on the label, however good it tasted? Gra' I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 22 21:57:01 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:57:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <001301c15b2e$a29ce8e0$006987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005101c15b33$b738d7a0$46f53fd0@oemcomputer> Sam it may be legendary and mac was once American but it is and has been for a long time owned by a Japanese company. Clarion hence the issue of caraudio Warren ps these guys sell used Mac's http://www.esper.com/macaudio/ might be usefull for valuing used stuff > > > I can't believe that McIntosh, the legendary American audio company would be > using Japanese parts in their equipment. Nothing wrong with using Japanese > parts, as I know their tubes are from Russia. But isn't part of their > popularity and allure is that "American-made" factor? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 22 23:30:28 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:30:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... References: <3e.133df89d.2905c0c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD48FF8.828DE3B0@pacbell.net> Sam, it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless there is something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I NEVER turn off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given that, I hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the sensitivity is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which have never come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2001 1:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Hi Sam, reflect back to recent nak discussions on bi and triwire speaker > wiring > configurations. The xr290's (a system I will own some day, unless pipe > dreams can be > had on the cheap, yeah right) they are triwirable so I suspect that that 1 > amp for the > tweets, 1 amp for the mids and 1 amp for the woofs. I own the mc2600's > shown and they > are really nice! >> > > Hi Brian, > > Thank you. I didn't recall that conversation. Given the speakers that > gentlemen is running in that particular system, I can understand the > amplification setup. Seems a bit over the top, but I would like to listen to > that particular Mac system nonetheless. > > How much has your electric bill increased since running that Mac 2600? (LOL). > And, how sensitive are the speakers you're using as I understand that will > affect how "hot" your amp runs? Also, do you hear an audible hum or buzz > when no signal is present? I understand this is common in large Mac amps. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Oct 23 00:16:41 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:16:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: If you really need the scope like the 10B, then get a MI-3 to go along w/ the MR-71. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:01:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:01:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some decent units. >> Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting idle for the past year. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:02:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:02:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <13f.34e5fe9.290645dc@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:27:25 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Indeed, a Sony Trinitron flat screen TV never had the same attraction when it said "Made in Ireland" on it as it did when it said "Made in Japan" because making TV's is what Japan is supposed to be good at. Likewise, what self-respecting whisky drinker would buy a bottle that said "Made in Japan" on the label, however good it tasted? Gra' >> Hey Graham, As always, it's a pleasure to hear from you! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:03:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:03:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <23.13375c39.2906460b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:58:21 PM Central Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << Sam it may be legendary and mac was once American but it is and has been for a long time owned by a Japanese company. Clarion hence the issue of caraudio Warren >> Clarion owns McIntosh? That was a shocker. And, thank for the link. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:04:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:04:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... Message-ID: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 4:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Sam, it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless there is something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I NEVER turn off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given that, I hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the sensitivity is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which have never come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. Brian Stocker >> Thanks Brian, that's good to know. The vintage Mac "classic" tube tuner review I read recently mentioned that that particular amp had an audible hum when no signal was present. Who knows what it could have been. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:18:36 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:18:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... References: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4EF9C.34688D9D@earthlink.net> Sam, The source of the hum was either mechanical (power transformer buzzing) or electrical, due to poor shielding, ground loops, DC offset, etc. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 4:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Sam, > > it is hard to imagine a McIntosh product with an audible hum or buzz, unless > there is > something wrong with the unit or the AC available in the listening area. I > NEVER turn > off my system components unless there is a motor constantly running. Given > that, I > hear silence when no source is activated. My speakers are 8 ohm and the > sensitivity > is 86 dB (pretty low) thus the need for hi power. The amp has 2 fans which > have never > come on, and there is very little heat generated even when pushed very hard. > > Brian Stocker >> > > Thanks Brian, that's good to know. The vintage Mac "classic" tube tuner > review I read recently mentioned that that particular amp had an audible hum > when no signal was present. Who knows what it could have been. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:21:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:21:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD4F044.B16AB7ED@earthlink.net> Hmmmm... I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, Sam? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, > is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the > expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some > decent units. >> > > Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting > idle for the past year. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Tue Oct 23 06:50:27 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:50:27 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here Message-ID: <000701c15b7e$3d5879e0$790e9a40@compaq> Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) other than the fact that you can buy some kind of gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per month you get the service of commercial free music in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz tuner. ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha ct7000 I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here before we know it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 06:47:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:47:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <6d.1c36bb4a.2906458b@aol.com> <3BD4F044.B16AB7ED@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BD4F67C.22DC9A68@earthlink.net> errr.. I mean, expander. = ) Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hmmmm... > > I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM > signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, > Sam? > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:13:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > > > << The difference, tough only a rough approximation of the original dynamics, > > is incredible. Music sounds utterly lifeless by comparison when the > > expander is switched off. I use a Phase Linear 1000. DBX also makes some > > decent units. >> > > > > Thanks Marc, now I have a new use for my DBX expander, which has been sitting > > idle for the past year. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 08:27:07 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:27:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Neat interview about mfsl cassettes and Lps References: <48.854956.29064669@aol.com> <3BD4EF9C.34688D9D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <012f01c15b8b$bd9c3f80$1dee3fd0@oemcomputer> Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab Interview I recently heard from Gregg Schnitzer, a man who was present in the early days of MFSL. Presented here, with Gregg's permission, are excerpts from our e-mail correspondences - a feast I think, for those who appreciate MFSL. I took the opportunity to ask Gregg some questions that many of you have e-mailed to me over the last three years. There's plenty of tech stuff here and plenty of non-tech stuff, too. Gregg also provided some great graphics for the site, many of which appear below. Enjoy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- What a wonderful web site! Thank you for all the hard work. I was Director of Product Development for MFSL from 1980 to 1986 and also Chief Engineer from 1984-1986, a stockholder and Gary's good friend in the early years. I designed the cassette mechanism and process and there is some nifty background in the research which included Rocketdyne and the Jet Propulsion Laboratories. There is no mention of the awards won by MFSL (Inventor's Award, The Definitive Award, etc.), on your site, nor of the titles that were mastered there but released on other labels. Bet you never heard of the D-Ring device. What about the GeoTape? more at http://pages.prodigy.net/amicus1/violet.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 12:58:28 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:58:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: <121.5ecbba2.2905b16d@aol.com> <011501c15b23$62098aa0$8f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3BD54D54.6ADDFF99@yahoo.com> The 78 limiter is said to be better on the RF while the 80 limiter is better around the AF I have one of each and can't tell the difference. The big problem with the 80 was reliability. The presets can wander off frequency sometimes as a result of unit warm up. But it can be fixed. I prefer it anyway because of the built in headphone jack and continously variable muting. I had drooled over pictures of one since I was 16 or so. The 78 on the other hand is a great for storage filler. BTW the last "true" Mac tuner is the MR510 it was similar to the 500 half heighter designed to get along cosmetically with the wonderful c504 preamp. (True mac tuner = made mostly in usa + fm only) See Ya Javier Brian Miller wrote: > > Sam, > > The Mac MR78 and 80 seem to be the tops for the Mc tuners. I thought about > purchasing a MR80 at one time, I like the looks and digital display of the > MR80, even though those in the know say the 78 is slightly better. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... > > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:50:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > << Hi Sam and Nakers, > > > > My understanding of the new Mac tuners is that they are a big box with a > > cigarette > > pack tuner module made in Japan, thus the ease of adding another tuner > > module. I > > think that the last really good tuner from mac is the the MR 80, > according > > to Stephen > > and others. I cant recall if Stephen posted this to the group or emailed > me > > the tuner > > info. I have an mx-130 which I am told has the same cigarette pack > tuner. > > Pick up > > an mx-130 for cheap and get a whole preamp along with the same/similar > tuner! > > > > Brian Stocker >> > > > > MR 80 huh? What about the MR 7082, it appears these units have a high > user > > satisfaction? Are they as good IYO as the MR 80? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 13:04:20 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:04:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... References: Message-ID: <3BD54EB4.9F0FEA7B@yahoo.com> I have an MPI/4 to go with the 78 and 80 It is the most useless gadget this side of an AR15 grenade launcher attachment. No it aint FS: Javier BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > > If you really need the scope like the 10B, then get a MI-3 to go along w/ the MR-71. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Oct 23 15:47:45 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:47:45 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5836@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi guys, The 480Z of my friend has developed a strange fault: when recording at higher levels (0dB+), if one abruptly stops the input signal (say, presses pause on CD-player), an annoying fading "woo-oo-oo..." aftersound is heard, which is recorded on tape too (the deck has 2 heads). Otherwise, the deck meets all the specs - nothing to nag at. What's that? How to cure? MTIA Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From penry at nortelnetworks.com Tue Oct 23 17:30:54 2001 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:30:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974AF1E9F@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> Javier, What's wrong with an AR15 grenade launcher attachment? I fired the grenade launcher attached to an M16 on the range once when I was in the Army. I thought it was a blast, but you did need a tree to put the stock of the rifle against to fire the grenade. One of the guys used his shoulder and regretted it. What a kicker. Ouch! He was sore for days... Charles BX-100 owner -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... I have an MPI/4 to go with the 78 and 80 It is the most useless gadget this side of an AR15 grenade launcher attachment. No it aint FS: Javier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 17:34:18 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here In-Reply-To: <000701c15b7e$3d5879e0$790e9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <20011023153418.36803.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, digital radio is here, but, they use Perceptual Audio Coders (PAC), similar to MPEG 2 Layer 3 (MP3) encoding or ATRAC3 encoding used on MiniDisc. LDR is a venture owned by Lucent Technologies and Pequot Capital Management Inc. Its PAC encoder converts analog audio signals to digital, then compresses the data by a ratio of at least 15 to one so that high-quality, CD-like, interference-free audio can be transmitted efficiently. LDR's PAC also incorporates error concealment, which provides robustness to prevent channel degradations that can occur in broadcasting. Did you notice the quote above that says the data is compresses by AT LEAST 15:1. Let's see. CD audio is 1200kbps. Take that and divide by 15 and you get a 80kbps data stream. Can anyone here stand the sound of MP3's at 80kbps, how about a highier compression ratio? I'd much rather listen to dynamic range compressed analog FM radio through a Dynalab, Nakamichi or even Carver tuner (which I happen to like). If it was between Digital Radio and a Nak TD-500/700 tuner then it would be a closer call. Technology has the potential to make things better, but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin things by wanting highier profits at the expense of quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. The general public is too tone deaf. Just my thoughts, SJ --- bigbear69 wrote: > Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. > 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) > other than the fact that you can buy some kind of > gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per > month you get the service of commercial free music > in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, > getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz > tuner. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha > ct7000 > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved > about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be > the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint > ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really > do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here > before we know it! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 17:45:20 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here In-Reply-To: <20011023153418.36803.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011023154520.53553.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent comment, SJ. And nice touch on TD500's tuner ... :-) SM --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Yes, digital radio is here, but, they use Perceptual > Audio Coders (PAC), similar to MPEG 2 Layer 3 (MP3) > encoding or ATRAC3 encoding used on MiniDisc. > > LDR is a venture owned by Lucent Technologies and > Pequot Capital Management Inc. Its PAC encoder > converts analog audio signals to digital, then > compresses the data by a ratio of at least 15 to one > so that high-quality, CD-like, interference-free > audio can be transmitted efficiently. LDR's PAC also > incorporates error concealment, which provides > robustness to prevent channel degradations that can > occur in broadcasting. > > Did you notice the quote above that says the data is > compresses by AT LEAST 15:1. Let's see. CD audio is > 1200kbps. Take that and divide by 15 and you get a > 80kbps data stream. Can anyone here stand the sound > of MP3's at 80kbps, how about a highier compression > ratio? I'd much rather listen to dynamic range > compressed analog FM radio through a Dynalab, > Nakamichi or even Carver tuner (which I happen to > like). If it was between Digital Radio and a Nak > TD-500/700 tuner then it would be a closer call. > > Technology has the potential to make things better, > but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin > things by wanting highier profits at the expense of > quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, > Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once > in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get > something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right > now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. > The general public is too tone deaf. > > Just my thoughts, > SJ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 17:50:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:50:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: If you've got $13K lying around,thisisthe Mc... Message-ID: <39.1c7a443b.2906ebbb@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:20:27 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Sam, The source of the hum was either mechanical (power transformer buzzing) or electrical, due to poor shielding, ground loops, DC offset, etc. Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim! You would think that the magazine reviewer would have known that huh? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 17:54:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:54:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <64.150ebdb9.2906ecaa@aol.com> In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:22:55 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hmmmm... I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, Sam? Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, I own a DBX 3BX-II Range Expander. It was the last model that used the LED-ish row of lights and traditional knobs. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 17:59:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <6.1dfac83a.2906edf4@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 10:34:30 AM Central Daylight Time, penry at nortelnetworks.com writes: << Javier, What's wrong with an AR15 grenade launcher attachment? I fired the grenade launcher attached to an M16 on the range once when I was in the Army. I thought it was a blast, but you did need a tree to put the stock of the rifle against to fire the grenade. One of the guys used his shoulder and regretted it. What a kicker. Ouch! He was sore for days... Charles BX-100 owner >> Hey Charles, I used my shoulder to fire the grenade launcher on my M16 and I don't remember any kick. And yes, it was a blast with that funky "ploke" sound. OK, we can take this conversation offline from NakTalkers. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 18:24:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:24:46 EDT Subject: OT - Off Topic - Re: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here Message-ID: <5b.1d84fd40.2906f3ce@aol.com> << Technology has the potential to make things better, but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin things by wanting higher profits at the expense of quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. The general public is too tone deaf. Just my thoughts, SJ I don't know, kinda looks like SACD will be pushed on us regardless of the state of the economy, or whether we want it or not. Sony and Phillips are very large, multinational corporations with plenty of cash to spend. Minidisk has been released 6 times and despite the lack of consumer interest, Sony is still pushing that technology. I personally haven't heard a SACD, but from what I read (and even that's susceptible these days - just look at the analysts and the Webvan fiasco during the dot-com bomb) when it's done correctly, it is a new and wonderful listening experience. It is still so early as there are few engineers who can even mix to that format. So it should take some time. One possible caveat - the early players maybe the best as the manufacturers are targeting the audiophile market and appear to be building at a higher standard than what we've come to expect from the "consumer-level," plastic CD players of today. With the professional market considering tube mic preamps, and the return of large, tube amps and preamps, the return of electrostatic speakers, I say hold on to your older equipment as it will be in "fashion" again as this is just another swing of the pendulum. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the advances in digital technology and the economies of scale, and the power it places in the desktop. But I'm more excited about the advances in recordable DVD for the video space. I don't know, call me nostalgic but there was something very special about the older analogue equipment of the late 60's and the 70's that was sweet to the human ear. Despite the great advances in digital audio, it is still fatiguing and often difficult to listen to over a period of time. IMHO - the human ear wasn't designed to hear in that manner. Give me a big, bulky, and heavy McIntosh tube amplifier, a good pair of spacious, large, in wooden cabinet speakers, thick speaker cable, a good turntable, a great jazz recording on LP, and I'm set! You could give me one of those old 1960 Fairchild-100 lbs. tube compressors to run my signal through, and I'll give you a sound so pleasing to your ear that you won't even realize your actively listening to music. It will be as natural and subconscious as breathing. And IMHO, we can't replicate that experience in the digital realm. Just my two cents, didn't mean to write a book. -Sam the "I think I'm becoming a tube man" Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 18:42:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:42:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: Reviewers References: <39.1c7a443b.2906ebbb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD59E02.67798259@earthlink.net> Some reviewers have great ears and are especially adept at putting together wonderful sounding systems, some are very technical with a strong background in electronics but I've never met any that had both skills and many that have neither. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:20:27 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Sam, > > The source of the hum was either mechanical (power transformer buzzing) > or electrical, due to poor shielding, ground loops, DC offset, etc. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Thanks Jim! You would think that the magazine reviewer would have known that > huh? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 18:52:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:52:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic: Reviewers Message-ID: <18.1432b5c7.2906fa51@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 11:44:39 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Some reviewers have great ears and are especially adept at putting together wonderful sounding systems, some are very technical with a strong background in electronics but I've never met any that had both skills and many that have neither. Jim Volpatti >> LOL - well said. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 19:17:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:17:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia Message-ID: <42.1c38be4b.29070034@aol.com> Hi All, While reading several reviews in Stereophile and TAS, I noticed that several of the reviewers are using Wadia CD players, DACs and transports. However, I consider this group to be VERY knowledgeable and experienced with many of the leading-edge components and I've never hear Wadia mentioned. Are they as good as the magazine reviewers would have you believe? Or, are they just another Krell type of company? Thank you in advance for your help with these questions. -Sam "the I think I'm becoming a tube man" Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Oct 23 19:42:40 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:42:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... In-Reply-To: <64.150ebdb9.2906ecaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> At 10/23/01, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:22:55 PM Central Daylight Time, >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > I just purchased a used Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner and the dreaded FM > signal compression is quite obvious. Which dBX compressor do you own, > Sam? > > Jim Volpatti >> > >Hi Jim, > >I own a DBX 3BX-II Range Expander. It was the last model that used the >LED-ish row of lights and traditional knobs. > >-Sam ================================ That's one of their best. The idea is to set the expansion so that you trigger it just at the peak level - there is a very small dynamic range even on FM, and expand by a ratio of about 2:1 so that the 3 db or so FM dynamics are stretched to 6db without audible pumping, Even this seemingly minor change makes for an incredible improvement. Classical stations are less guilty of this practice than pop stations and one that I know of, WQXR in New York, according to their chief engineer, doesn't compress at all but does apply limiting so the signal doesn't overmodulate. _______________________M¡arc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 21:06:22 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:06:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia References: <42.1c38be4b.29070034@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD5BFAE.BAAD70FD@earthlink.net> HI Sam, My experience with Wadia is that they tend to sound rather mechanical and just plain digital (razor sharp transients, emphasized upper midrange, etc). I prefer a more organic, analog like sound, which explains me preference for the Electrocompaniet CD player and the Audio Logic 2400 DAC. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > While reading several reviews in Stereophile and TAS, I noticed that several > of the reviewers are using Wadia CD players, DACs and transports. However, I > consider this group to be VERY knowledgeable and experienced with many of the > leading-edge components and I've never hear Wadia mentioned. Are they as > good as the magazine reviewers would have you believe? Or, are they just > another Krell type of company? Thank you in advance for your help with these > questions. > > -Sam "the I think I'm becoming a tube man" Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 21:11:14 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:11:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3BD5C0D2.462DDEEE@earthlink.net> I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it retails for $800. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > >I own a DBX 3BX-II Range Expander. It was the last model that used the > >LED-ish row of lights and traditional knobs. > > > >-Sam > > ================================ > That's one of their best. > > The idea is to set the expansion so that you trigger it just at the peak > level - there is a very small dynamic range even on FM, and expand > by a ratio of about 2:1 so that the 3 db or so FM dynamics are stretched > to 6db without audible pumping, Even this seemingly minor change > makes for an incredible improvement. > > Classical stations are less guilty of this practice than pop stations > and one that I know of, WQXR in New York, according to their chief > engineer, doesn't compress at all but does apply limiting so the signal > doesn't overmodulate. > > _______________________M¡arc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 23 October 2001 18:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia Hi All, While reading several reviews in Stereophile and TAS, I noticed that several of the reviewers are using Wadia CD players, DACs and transports. However, I consider this group to be VERY knowledgeable and experienced with many of the leading-edge components and I've never hear Wadia mentioned. Are they as good as the magazine reviewers would have you believe? Or, are they just another Krell type of company? Thank you in advance for your help with these questions. -Sam "the I think I'm becoming a tube man" Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 23 22:09:31 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:09:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders In-Reply-To: <3BD5C0D2.462DDEEE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c15bfe$a0c0df60$816187d9@a4s1s2> Jim Marketing ploy? Perhaps. Perhaps it's that snake oil again! However, I like the sounds I get from my FM tuners, from some compressed recordings on records and cassettes once they've had a touch (not too much) from my DBX 3. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 23 October 2001 20:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it retails for $800. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 22:37:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:37:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <001001c15bfe$a0c0df60$816187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BD5D515.881B54AD@earthlink.net> hmmm I guess the only way to know for sure is to compare a couple of expanders, side by side. I'm inclined to get a nice pro model like the Aphex or Drawmer or go for an old consumer expander like the dBx 128. Does anyone else have any comments of expanders? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim > > Marketing ploy? Perhaps. Perhaps it's that snake oil again! However, I > like the sounds I get from my FM tuners, from some compressed recordings on > records and cassettes once they've had a touch (not too much) from my DBX 3. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 23 October 2001 20:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > > I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > retails for $800. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 23 22:55:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:55:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <3BD5C0D2.462DDEEE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <097101c15c04$fd17bb20$203442cf@sank1> The band separation drastically reduces pumping, as the mids don't get pumped when the bass peaks, the highs don't get pumped when the mid peaks, etc. Big difference over single band expansion. Really big. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > retails for $800. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > >I own a DBX 3BX-II Range Expander. It was the last model that used the > > >LED-ish row of lights and traditional knobs. > > > > > >-Sam > > > > ================================ > > That's one of their best. > > > > The idea is to set the expansion so that you trigger it just at the peak > > level - there is a very small dynamic range even on FM, and expand > > by a ratio of about 2:1 so that the 3 db or so FM dynamics are stretched > > to 6db without audible pumping, Even this seemingly minor change > > makes for an incredible improvement. > > > > Classical stations are less guilty of this practice than pop stations > > and one that I know of, WQXR in New York, according to their chief > > engineer, doesn't compress at all but does apply limiting so the signal > > doesn't overmodulate. > > > > _______________________M�arc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 23 22:58:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:58:52 -0600 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here References: <20011023153418.36803.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <098701c15c05$86444ee0$203442cf@sank1> Up until five years ago, I often listened to the commercial-less digital music channels on DSS(satellite), which is MPEG-2(not MP3, which wasn't around yet). Except for sounding a bit "dead", as in lacking ambience, it was very nice to listen to. Certainly far better than any Philadelphia radio station, which all compressed/eq'd things to death. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here > Yes, digital radio is here, but, they use Perceptual > Audio Coders (PAC), similar to MPEG 2 Layer 3 (MP3) > encoding or ATRAC3 encoding used on MiniDisc. > > LDR is a venture owned by Lucent Technologies and > Pequot Capital Management Inc. Its PAC encoder > converts analog audio signals to digital, then > compresses the data by a ratio of at least 15 to one > so that high-quality, CD-like, interference-free > audio can be transmitted efficiently. LDR's PAC also > incorporates error concealment, which provides > robustness to prevent channel degradations that can > occur in broadcasting. > > Did you notice the quote above that says the data is > compresses by AT LEAST 15:1. Let's see. CD audio is > 1200kbps. Take that and divide by 15 and you get a > 80kbps data stream. Can anyone here stand the sound > of MP3's at 80kbps, how about a highier compression > ratio? I'd much rather listen to dynamic range > compressed analog FM radio through a Dynalab, > Nakamichi or even Carver tuner (which I happen to > like). If it was between Digital Radio and a Nak > TD-500/700 tuner then it would be a closer call. > > Technology has the potential to make things better, > but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin > things by wanting highier profits at the expense of > quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, > Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once > in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get > something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right > now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. > The general public is too tone deaf. > > Just my thoughts, > SJ > > > --- bigbear69 wrote: > > Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. > > 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) > > other than the fact that you can buy some kind of > > gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per > > month you get the service of commercial free music > > in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, > > getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz > > tuner. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John M. Tooley > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha > > ct7000 > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved > > about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be > > the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint > > ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really > > do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here > > before we know it! > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 23 23:01:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:01:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5836@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <098f01c15c05$e8696e20$203442cf@sank1> You got me on that one, Nick. Can't think of a plausible explanation. Maybe the caps in the bias oscillator are failing & causing the osc to "whine down" slowly through the audio band, rather than cutting right off? Really far fetched, but ya never know. Of course, the first suspects are always the orange film caps in the osc & all over the unit, especially with weird symptoms like that. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited > Hi guys, > > The 480Z of my friend has developed a strange fault: when recording at > higher levels (0dB+), if one abruptly stops the input signal (say, presses > pause on CD-player), an annoying fading "woo-oo-oo..." aftersound is heard, > which is recorded on tape too (the deck has 2 heads). Otherwise, the deck > meets all the specs - nothing to nag at. What's that? How to cure? > > MTIA > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Oct 23 23:11:56 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:11:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders In-Reply-To: <3BD5C0D2.462DDEEE@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> At 10/23/01, you wrote: >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it >retails for $800. > >Jim Volpatti ============================================ Actually, Jim, you probably have. That is just how Dolby A works. Dolby B a simplified form of the A - just the HF portion. Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. __________________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Oct 23 23:16:28 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:16:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5836@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hello Nick, it makes me to think about the meter amp... the decay of the display can be injected on sound if there is a bad decoupling. Try to look around it. For this, cut off the signal coming on the meter amp input, by removing coupling caps. It will be revealing, I am sure. (I presume the playback of pre recorded tapes shows similar behaviour) Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited > Hi guys, > > The 480Z of my friend has developed a strange fault: when recording at > higher levels (0dB+), if one abruptly stops the input signal (say, presses > pause on CD-player), an annoying fading "woo-oo-oo..." aftersound is heard, > which is recorded on tape too (the deck has 2 heads). Otherwise, the deck > meets all the specs - nothing to nag at. What's that? How to cure? > > MTIA > > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:24:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:24:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners... Message-ID: <77.1d039499.29073a14@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:45:59 PM Central Daylight Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << The idea is to set the expansion so that you trigger it just at the peak level - there is a very small dynamic range even on FM, and expand by a ratio of about 2:1 so that the 3 db or so FM dynamics are stretched to 6db without audible pumping, Even this seemingly minor change makes for an incredible improvement. >> Thank you Marc! I will definitely give it a try. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:25:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:25:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia Message-ID: <123.63be1c1.29073a37@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 2:08:37 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << My experience with Wadia is that they tend to sound rather mechanical and just plain digital (razor sharp transients, emphasized upper midrange, etc). I prefer a more organic, analog like sound, which explains me preference for the Electrocompaniet CD player and the Audio Logic 2400 DAC. Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:27:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:27:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/2001 2:12:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it retails for $800. Jim Volpatti >> There was a more expanded model available at the time I purchased my 3BX. For my use, the next model "up" was more than I could ever need as I'm not big on compression and expansion. I'm not sure what the "professional" offerings were or are for DBX. Maybe someone more experienced can answer... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:34:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:34:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders Message-ID: << The band separation drastically reduces pumping, as the mids don't get pumped when the bass peaks, the highs don't get pumped when the mid peaks, etc. Big difference over single band expansion. Really big. >> An additional comment - I've noticed over the years that when I've used my DBX expander, that the high frequencies are always expanded before the mids, and the mids before the lows. In cases where I wanted to expand the low frequencies and keep the mids and highs where they were, I've resorted to using the impact restoration feature. When used sparingly, this feature adds a nice low-end without adding the "pumping" effect for which it is known. Since this feature is also known to blow speakers when misapplied, I have the internal setting at it's lowest (e.g., the screw-knob located on the back of the box) and only turn the front panel knob a few click marks as I monitor my recording by ear. I don't recall the lights eliminating for the impact restoration meter, but I could hear the difference. Just a thought, anyone more familiar with this feature and how it works? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:36:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:36:27 EDT Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here Message-ID: <15c.2ea2b1c.29073cdb@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 3:55:26 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Up until five years ago, I often listened to the commercial-less digital music channels on DSS(satellite), which is MPEG-2(not MP3, which wasn't around yet). Except for sounding a bit "dead", as in lacking ambience, it was very nice to listen to. Certainly far better than any Philadelphia radio station, which all compressed/eq'd things to death. >> That's interesting, as the cable-version isn't compressed. (At least during my association with the product, that could have changed since those days). This is an application where the DBX range expander can come in handy. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 23:38:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:38:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders Message-ID: <13.8cd6ec.29073d39@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 4:15:26 PM Central Daylight Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. >> Hi Marc, Is this logic true for Dolby S? Although I've never heard it, I understand it works well. It didn't take off though... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Oct 23 23:38:50 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:38:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Expanders In-Reply-To: <200110232112.XAA26239@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > I guess the only way to know for sure is to compare a couple of > expanders, side by side. I'm inclined to get a nice pro model like the > Aphex or Drawmer or go for an old consumer expander like the dBx 128. > > Does anyone else have any comments of expanders? > > Jim Volpatti Hi all, Though I don't have one -I use an old DBX 119 (single band compressor/expander)- perhaps I can add some thoughts about them . Expanding a source that has a content that uses the full spectrum, one can expand up to around a factor of 1.4 or 1.5 without getting any unpleasant side effects . However, if one happens to have as a source e.g. a bass solo, with a bit of noise, it gets really ugly at higher volume levels ... the noise will vary with the bass, thus forcing one to reduce the expansion ratio, thereby decreasing the effect of the expander . DBX tried to solve this problem by splitting the spectrum into three bands, that will each be processed separately, but by the same ratio . Since the pumping effect is seriously reduced, expansion ratios of up to 2:1 become possible, even on "difficult" material . BTW, if case anyone is interested : the DBX 117 was the base unit, offering only linear expansion over the whole spectrum . The 119 did the same thing, but allowed also peak limiting (you set a threshold and it's only above that threshold that the compression kicks in) and peak expansion (or threshold expansion) . The limiting side can be interesting when one wants some background music during dinner e.g. . By limiting the peaks, it becomes possible to play at a level so that one can hear the music without the wife complaining that it's to loud :-) . Nor the 117 nor the 119 are really suited to be used for recording, since one would need exactly the same level of expansion while playback as was the compression during recording ... virtually impossible with a simple turning knob . If I remember well, it was the 128 that offered a fixed 2:1 ratio for this purpose, expanding exactly at playback what was compressed during recording . From what I've read, this only worked well with very accurate recordings, which makes sense, since if you lose part of the spectrum in the recording process, the expansion becomes erratic and increases the losses of frequency . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Oct 24 00:27:27 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:27:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: This is mainly directed at Stephen Sank (or anyone else that can help!) If I understand correctly what you have said in the past, is one of your favourite CD players the Nakamichi CD player 2 then CD player 1 then the OMS series? Is the CD player 2 from the same era and styling as the Cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2? Does Nak make their own CD transports instead of buying in from Phillips/Sony? Are there any common problems with the Nak CD players? So would you recommend a Nak CD player 2 as a transport only (I think it has the Musicbank system as well) and add a seperate DAC? Does the Nak CD player 2 playback CD-R or CD-RW? Sorry for all the questions, but I have been getting a bit muddled up! Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Oct 24 01:05:24 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:05:24 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here References: <20011023153418.36803.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <098701c15c05$86444ee0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD5F7AF.1F9169E@pacbell.net> The music is precisely why I put in a dish. Yes, it sounds a bit dead but with >30 channels of commercial free programing from church music to kiddie tunes and lotsa great stuff in between and, unlike public radio, is not government sponsored theft of our tax $$. Is all the audio portion of satellite MPEG-2? Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Up until five years ago, I often listened to the commercial-less digital > music channels on DSS(satellite), which is MPEG-2(not MP3, which wasn't > around yet). Except for sounding a bit "dead", as in lacking ambience, it > was very nice to listen to. Certainly far better than any Philadelphia > radio station, which all compressed/eq'd things to death. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here > > > Yes, digital radio is here, but, they use Perceptual > > Audio Coders (PAC), similar to MPEG 2 Layer 3 (MP3) > > encoding or ATRAC3 encoding used on MiniDisc. > > > > LDR is a venture owned by Lucent Technologies and > > Pequot Capital Management Inc. Its PAC encoder > > converts analog audio signals to digital, then > > compresses the data by a ratio of at least 15 to one > > so that high-quality, CD-like, interference-free > > audio can be transmitted efficiently. LDR's PAC also > > incorporates error concealment, which provides > > robustness to prevent channel degradations that can > > occur in broadcasting. > > > > Did you notice the quote above that says the data is > > compresses by AT LEAST 15:1. Let's see. CD audio is > > 1200kbps. Take that and divide by 15 and you get a > > 80kbps data stream. Can anyone here stand the sound > > of MP3's at 80kbps, how about a highier compression > > ratio? I'd much rather listen to dynamic range > > compressed analog FM radio through a Dynalab, > > Nakamichi or even Carver tuner (which I happen to > > like). If it was between Digital Radio and a Nak > > TD-500/700 tuner then it would be a closer call. > > > > Technology has the potential to make things better, > > but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin > > things by wanting highier profits at the expense of > > quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, > > Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once > > in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get > > something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right > > now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. > > The general public is too tone deaf. > > > > Just my thoughts, > > SJ > > > > > > --- bigbear69 wrote: > > > Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. > > > 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) > > > other than the fact that you can buy some kind of > > > gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per > > > month you get the service of commercial free music > > > in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, > > > getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz > > > tuner. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John M. Tooley > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha > > > ct7000 > > > > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved > > > about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be > > > the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint > > > ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really > > > do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with > > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are > > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here > > > before we know it! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 01:08:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:08:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3BD5F86B.7C2CC8F8@earthlink.net> You know, it dawned on me after hit the send button that perhaps some expander work separately on different bands but only display the overall the expansion, not each band. Thanks for the info, Marc. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > > At 10/23/01, you wrote: > >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > >retails for $800. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > ============================================ > Actually, Jim, you probably have. > > That is just how Dolby A works. > > Dolby B a simplified form of the A - just the HF portion. > > Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and > expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. > > __________________________Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 01:13:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:13:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia References: <75.1cf94698.29073adc@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BD5F9A8.97E874CE@earthlink.net> Well, I don't know if we cleared up anything, Sam. The other person (sorry but I've already deleted his post) seemed impressed with the Wadia gear and I don't think much of it. It's like I've always said: Ask 15 audiophiles for their opinion and you'll get 20 different answers. = ) Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Thank you all for clearing up the Wadia myths and realities for me, I really > appreciate it. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 01:15:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:15:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: Message-ID: <3BD5FA0F.E98E201D@earthlink.net> Thanks for the info, Sam! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > << The band separation drastically reduces pumping, as the mids don't get > pumped when the bass peaks, the highs don't get pumped when the mid peaks, > etc. Big difference over single band expansion. Really big. >> > > An additional comment - I've noticed over the years that when I've used my > DBX expander, that the high frequencies are always expanded before the mids, > and the mids before the lows. In cases where I wanted to expand the low > frequencies and keep the mids and highs where they were, I've resorted to > using the impact restoration feature. > > When used sparingly, this feature adds a nice low-end without adding the > "pumping" effect for which it is known. Since this feature is also known to > blow speakers when misapplied, I have the internal setting at it's lowest > (e.g., the screw-knob located on the back of the box) and only turn the front > panel knob a few click marks as I monitor my recording by ear. I don't > recall the lights eliminating for the impact restoration meter, but I could > hear the difference. > > Just a thought, anyone more familiar with this feature and how it works? Any > advise would be greatly appreciated. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 01:21:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:21:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Expanders References: Message-ID: <3BD5FB78.76D46AA@earthlink.net> Very interesting, Eddy. So then can I assume that the top end studio expanders (not dedicated tape noise reduction units) actually work on two or three different bands but only display the net expansion? Jim Volpatti POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > > I guess the only way to know for sure is to compare a couple of > > expanders, side by side. I'm inclined to get a nice pro model like the > > Aphex or Drawmer or go for an old consumer expander like the dBx 128. > > > > Does anyone else have any comments of expanders? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Hi all, > > Though I don't have one -I use an old DBX 119 (single band > compressor/expander)- perhaps I can add some thoughts about them . > > Expanding a source that has a content that uses the full spectrum, one can > expand up to around a factor of 1.4 or 1.5 without getting any unpleasant > side effects . However, if one happens to have as a source e.g. a bass solo, > with a bit of noise, it gets really ugly at higher volume levels ... the > noise will vary with the bass, thus forcing one to reduce the expansion > ratio, thereby decreasing the effect of the expander . DBX tried to solve > this problem by splitting the spectrum into three bands, that will each be > processed separately, but by the same ratio . > Since the pumping effect is seriously reduced, expansion ratios of up to 2:1 > become possible, even on "difficult" material . > > BTW, if case anyone is interested : the DBX 117 was the base unit, offering > only linear expansion over the whole spectrum . The 119 did the same thing, > but allowed also peak limiting (you set a threshold and it's only above that > threshold that the compression kicks in) and peak expansion (or threshold > expansion) . The limiting side can be interesting when one wants some > background music during dinner e.g. . By limiting the peaks, it becomes > possible to play at a level so that one can hear the music without the wife > complaining that it's to loud :-) . > Nor the 117 nor the 119 are really suited to be used for recording, since > one would need exactly the same level of expansion while playback as was the > compression during recording ... virtually impossible with a simple turning > knob . If I remember well, it was the 128 that offered a fixed 2:1 ratio for > this purpose, expanding exactly at playback what was compressed during > recording . From what I've read, this only worked well with very accurate > recordings, which makes sense, since if you lose part of the spectrum in the > recording process, the expansion becomes erratic and increases the losses of > frequency . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 05:15:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:15:59 -0600 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here References: <20011023153418.36803.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <098701c15c05$86444ee0$203442cf@sank1> <3BD5F7AF.1F9169E@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <09c301c15c3a$34f032e0$203442cf@sank1> I've been five years without DSS(god, I miss it!), so I have no clue if the audio programs are all still MPEG-2. It wouldn't surprise me if they went to MP3 to save bandwidth further, but it sounds like they haven't. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here > The music is precisely why I put in a dish. Yes, it sounds a bit dead but with >30 > channels of commercial free programing from church music to kiddie tunes and lotsa > great stuff in between and, unlike public radio, is not government sponsored theft of > our tax $$. > > Is all the audio portion of satellite MPEG-2? > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Up until five years ago, I often listened to the commercial-less digital > > music channels on DSS(satellite), which is MPEG-2(not MP3, which wasn't > > around yet). Except for sounding a bit "dead", as in lacking ambience, it > > was very nice to listen to. Certainly far better than any Philadelphia > > radio station, which all compressed/eq'd things to death. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:34 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] Digital Radio is Here > > > > > Yes, digital radio is here, but, they use Perceptual > > > Audio Coders (PAC), similar to MPEG 2 Layer 3 (MP3) > > > encoding or ATRAC3 encoding used on MiniDisc. > > > > > > LDR is a venture owned by Lucent Technologies and > > > Pequot Capital Management Inc. Its PAC encoder > > > converts analog audio signals to digital, then > > > compresses the data by a ratio of at least 15 to one > > > so that high-quality, CD-like, interference-free > > > audio can be transmitted efficiently. LDR's PAC also > > > incorporates error concealment, which provides > > > robustness to prevent channel degradations that can > > > occur in broadcasting. > > > > > > Did you notice the quote above that says the data is > > > compresses by AT LEAST 15:1. Let's see. CD audio is > > > 1200kbps. Take that and divide by 15 and you get a > > > 80kbps data stream. Can anyone here stand the sound > > > of MP3's at 80kbps, how about a highier compression > > > ratio? I'd much rather listen to dynamic range > > > compressed analog FM radio through a Dynalab, > > > Nakamichi or even Carver tuner (which I happen to > > > like). If it was between Digital Radio and a Nak > > > TD-500/700 tuner then it would be a closer call. > > > > > > Technology has the potential to make things better, > > > but, many time the executives upstairs completely ruin > > > things by wanting highier profits at the expense of > > > quality. It's happened to HDTV, CD transports, > > > Digital Radio and countless other things. Every once > > > in a while when profits aren't the main concern we get > > > something that's better. Nothing comes to mind right > > > now. Maybe SACD. Will it take off? Probably not. > > > The general public is too tone deaf. > > > > > > Just my thoughts, > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > --- bigbear69 wrote: > > > > Digital Radio just hit Phoenix, Az. Monday, Oct. > > > > 15th. Don't know much about it (and I don't care) > > > > other than the fact that you can buy some kind of > > > > gadget costing around $260. Then for another $10 per > > > > month you get the service of commercial free music > > > > in your car or at home. I'm one of the lucky ones, > > > > getting my sweet FM sound through an old Marantz > > > > tuner. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John M. Tooley > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:24 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: nice pics of yamaha > > > > ct7000 > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember years ago when Angus McKenzie raved > > > > about this Tuner in Hi-Fi News. My choice would be > > > > the silver faceplate. I'm amazed how often these > > > > expensive units come up on ebay. I just sold a mint > > > > ReVox, Sanktified, B 760 for $650 so people really > > > > do desire top flight Tuners, I would not part with > > > > my other B 760. But I do wonder how many years are > > > > left for FM radio. Digital will probably be here > > > > before we know it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 05:17:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:17:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> <3BD5F86B.7C2CC8F8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <09ca01c15c3a$66d554c0$203442cf@sank1> As far as I know, the DBX series were the only expanders to be band separated. The 3BX was actually not the top dog. There was also a 4BX, which was 4 bands. Very rare bird. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > You know, it dawned on me after hit the send button that perhaps some > expander work separately on different bands but only display the overall > the expansion, not each band. > > Thanks for the info, Marc. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > At 10/23/01, you wrote: > > >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > > >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > > >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > > >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > > >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > > >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > > >retails for $800. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > ============================================ > > Actually, Jim, you probably have. > > > > That is just how Dolby A works. > > > > Dolby B a simplified form of the A - just the HF portion. > > > > Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and > > expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. > > > > __________________________Marc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 05:19:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:19:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <3BD5FA0F.E98E201D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <09d201c15c3a$a6b4a640$203442cf@sank1> The "Impact Restoration" feature of the later DBX units & cd players was essentially a fast low bass expander. I always found it rather irritating, even at the lowest settings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > Thanks for the info, Sam! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > << The band separation drastically reduces pumping, as the mids don't get > > pumped when the bass peaks, the highs don't get pumped when the mid peaks, > > etc. Big difference over single band expansion. Really big. >> > > > > An additional comment - I've noticed over the years that when I've used my > > DBX expander, that the high frequencies are always expanded before the mids, > > and the mids before the lows. In cases where I wanted to expand the low > > frequencies and keep the mids and highs where they were, I've resorted to > > using the impact restoration feature. > > > > When used sparingly, this feature adds a nice low-end without adding the > > "pumping" effect for which it is known. Since this feature is also known to > > blow speakers when misapplied, I have the internal setting at it's lowest > > (e.g., the screw-knob located on the back of the box) and only turn the front > > panel knob a few click marks as I monitor my recording by ear. I don't > > recall the lights eliminating for the impact restoration meter, but I could > > hear the difference. > > > > Just a thought, anyone more familiar with this feature and how it works? Any > > advise would be greatly appreciated. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 05:38:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:38:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> <3BD5F86B.7C2CC8F8@earthlink.net> <09ca01c15c3a$66d554c0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BD637AF.6D16B684@earthlink.net> Thanks for the info, Stephen. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > As far as I know, the DBX series were the only expanders to be band > separated. The 3BX was actually not the top dog. There was also a 4BX, > which was 4 bands. Very rare bird. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > > > You know, it dawned on me after hit the send button that perhaps some > > expander work separately on different bands but only display the overall > > the expansion, not each band. > > > > Thanks for the info, Marc. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > At 10/23/01, you wrote: > > > >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > > > >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > > > >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > > > >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > > > >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > > > >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > > > >retails for $800. > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 05:45:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:45:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: Message-ID: <09ee01c15c3e$42dea5e0$203442cf@sank1> Yes, the CDPlayer2 is the same rounded look as the CassetteDeck1/2/etc. series. The changing mech is Nak & is great. The actual transport is an average grade Sony, so it's better as a CD player than a transport. Uses a dual 20-bit Burr-Brown PCM1700 *per channel*, for 4 dac's in total. The OMS-5II & 7II are the only OMS's worth getting, although the original 5 & 7 are very nice, too, although a bit lacking in ambience by comparison.The OMS-4/3/etc. were crap. The CDC-4 changer is a really nice sounding unit, but has reliability issues with the Pioneer transport control electronics. All of the above will play CD-R/RW when properly tweaked, but may not as you find them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > This is mainly directed at Stephen Sank (or anyone else that can help!) > > If I understand correctly what you have said in the past, is one of your > favourite CD players the Nakamichi CD player 2 then CD player 1 then the OMS > series? Is the CD player 2 from the same era and styling as the Cassette > deck 1, 1.5, 2? Does Nak make their own CD transports instead of buying in > from Phillips/Sony? Are there any common problems with the Nak CD players? > So would you recommend a Nak CD player 2 as a transport only (I think it has > the Musicbank system as well) and add a seperate DAC? Does the Nak CD player > 2 playback CD-R or CD-RW? Sorry for all the questions, but I have been > getting a bit muddled up! Cheers. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 24 08:18:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:48:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: <003101c15c53$a30a80a0$42d60192@vsnl> I have to point out that CDplayer 1 is a limited edition model as per Khono' Japanese site - http://www.sakamura-lab.org/~kohno/nak-cd.html . I have not seen any CDplayer1 coming up in ebay. kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players >Yes, the CDPlayer2 is the same rounded look as the CassetteDeck1/2/etc. >series. The changing mech is Nak & is great. The actual transport is an >average grade Sony, so it's better as a CD player than a transport. Uses a >dual 20-bit Burr-Brown PCM1700 *per channel*, for 4 dac's in total. The >OMS-5II & 7II are the only OMS's worth getting, although the original 5 & 7 >are very nice, too, although a bit lacking in ambience by comparison.The >OMS-4/3/etc. were crap. The CDC-4 changer is a really nice sounding unit, >but has reliability issues with the Pioneer transport control electronics. >All of the above will play CD-R/RW when properly tweaked, but may not as you >find them. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "winnie pooh" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:27 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > >> >> This is mainly directed at Stephen Sank (or anyone else that can help!) >> >> If I understand correctly what you have said in the past, is one of your >> favourite CD players the Nakamichi CD player 2 then CD player 1 then the >OMS >> series? Is the CD player 2 from the same era and styling as the Cassette >> deck 1, 1.5, 2? Does Nak make their own CD transports instead of buying in >> from Phillips/Sony? Are there any common problems with the Nak CD players? >> So would you recommend a Nak CD player 2 as a transport only (I think it >has >> the Musicbank system as well) and add a seperate DAC? Does the Nak CD >player >> 2 playback CD-R or CD-RW? Sorry for all the questions, but I have been >> getting a bit muddled up! Cheers. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 24 09:15:04 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:15:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> <3BD5F86B.7C2CC8F8@earthlink.net> <09ca01c15c3a$66d554c0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007301c15c5b$9a963880$08eb3fd0@oemcomputer> There was also a 5bx and a two band 2bx here is a cheap 3bx http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1287587776 and a not so cheap 5bx http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286791186 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > As far as I know, the DBX series were the only expanders to be band > separated. The 3BX was actually not the top dog. There was also a 4BX, > which was 4 bands. Very rare bird. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > > > > You know, it dawned on me after hit the send button that perhaps some > > expander work separately on different bands but only display the overall > > the expansion, not each band. > > > > Thanks for the info, Marc. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > At 10/23/01, you wrote: > > > >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > > > >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > > > >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > > > >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > > > >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > > > >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > > > >retails for $800. > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ============================================ > > > Actually, Jim, you probably have. > > > > > > That is just how Dolby A works. > > > > > > Dolby B a simplified form of the A - just the HF portion. > > > > > > Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and > > > expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. > > > > > > __________________________Marc Stager > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 24 09:43:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:43:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Off Topic - What's the deal with Wadia Message-ID: <29.1c9f975b.2907cb2b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/23/2001 6:15:26 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << It's like I've always said: Ask 15 audiophiles for their opinion and you'll get 20 different answers. = ) Jim Volpatti >> Very true, very true. (LOL) Thanks for your help nonetheless. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From deschu at alum.mit.edu Wed Oct 24 09:52:37 2001 From: deschu at alum.mit.edu (Derek Schulte) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:52:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Remote Pinout Message-ID: <006901c15c60$da58e800$6a8727d8@texas> I've got a CR-2A and TA-2A and would like to kludge together a "remote cable" from the receiver to the cassette deck. Is it straight-thru, or otherwise? My apologies if this is common info, listed in the "password protected" docs online (is there a reason why naktalk/gearmod as per Sank on 21-Jun-01 fails for me?), or whatever else. --Derek ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 24 11:14:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:14:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: <20011024091437.VSVN290.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Kannan, one small error on Kohno's site - CD Player 3 has 20 bit dac instead of 18 bit using only 1 PCM1700 (similar chip). I'm still unclear regarding difference b/w CD Player line and latter MB line other than faceplate. Kannan, have you ever tried denon 1500 (mkII ?), how is it compared to your player ? I have one still in the US and wonder if it's worth the shipping hassle (bought long time ago pre-nak era). Salim SM > I have to point out that CDplayer 1 is a limited edition model as per Khono' > Japanese site - http://www.sakamura-lab.org/~kohno/nak-cd.html . > I have not seen any CDplayer1 coming up in ebay. > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 24 11:31:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:31:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Remote Pinout Message-ID: <20011024093142.GLCX593.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> If this is the same 8 pin DIN jack then cable is straight pin to pin (I asked same question awhile ago). Is there a wireless remote facility on your TA2A ? Salim SM > > I've got a CR-2A and TA-2A and would like to kludge together a "remote cable" > from the receiver to the cassette deck. Is it straight-thru, or otherwise? > > My apologies if this is common info, listed in the "password protected" docs > online (is there a reason why naktalk/gearmod as per Sank on 21-Jun-01 fails > for > me?), or whatever else. > > --Derek > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Oct 24 12:01:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:01:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5838@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks Matyas, thanks Stephen. I'll try to dig around... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited > > Hello Nick, it makes me to think about the meter amp... the decay of the > display can be injected on sound if there is a bad decoupling. > Try to look around it. For this, cut off the signal coming on the meter > amp > input, by removing coupling caps. It will be revealing, I am sure. > (I presume the playback of pre recorded tapes shows similar behaviour) > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:47 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 480Z getting self-excited > > > > Hi guys, > > > > The 480Z of my friend has developed a strange fault: when recording at > > higher levels (0dB+), if one abruptly stops the input signal (say, > presses > > pause on CD-player), an annoying fading "woo-oo-oo..." aftersound is > heard, > > which is recorded on tape too (the deck has 2 heads). Otherwise, the > deck > > meets all the specs - nothing to nag at. What's that? How to cure? > > > > MTIA > > > > Nick > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 24 11:59:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: <001701c15c72$917b7960$42d60192@vsnl> Denon 1500 MK2 to be precise was with me for a day with tracking problem- The circuit part is almost similar to 1400 but remote volume works without moving the potentiometer unlike 1400- is it digital? The mechanism was supposedly using linear motor for lense lateral movement- which is very sensitive the way the machine is placed on your Audio rack- as gravity can affect the performance unlike 1400 with gear drive which seems better. Also the mechanism seemed worse than 1400. The sound seemed a bit better / or worse - I could not say. Because the mchanism seemed filmsy, I returned that player keeping my 1400!. I think my 1400 is in such a good condition - I think it will do another 10 years without any problem. I guess Denon' 3500 series should have been better. I am waiting for my visit to US - to get a decent CD player if possible from there instead of getting one in India? It looks like I may get a chance to visit US during Feb 2002 !!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > >Hi Kannan, one small error on Kohno's site - CD Player 3 has 20 bit dac >instead of 18 bit using only 1 PCM1700 (similar chip). I'm still unclear >regarding difference b/w CD Player line and latter MB line other than >faceplate. Kannan, have you ever tried denon 1500 (mkII ?), how is it >compared to your player ? I have one still in the US and wonder if it's >worth the shipping hassle (bought long time ago pre-nak era). > >Salim SM > > >> I have to point out that CDplayer 1 is a limited edition model as per >Khono' >> Japanese site - http://www.sakamura-lab.org/~kohno/nak-cd.html . >> I have not seen any CDplayer1 coming up in ebay. >> kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Sank >> To: naktalk at naks.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Oct 24 12:45:08 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:45:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Remote Pinout Message-ID: <0BF7B340.504A3C2A.026D48C1@netscape.net> Derek, The password to the manuals and reviews was changed to "limited". Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 23 13:53:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:53:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: <001701c15c72$917b7960$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000e01c15bb9$67e31fe0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Thanks for your review, Kannan. :-) Do you still remember what dac inside those players ? I have an old sony es (audio section looks good) which says 'linear motor', very fast movement ... changes track even before my finger left the advance button ! With regular maintenance (shaft lube) these old tanks seems to last forever, I'm pretty sure the optic is still original. Have you decided which player you plan to get over there ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > Denon 1500 MK2 to be precise was with me for a day with tracking problem- > The circuit part is almost similar to 1400 but remote volume works without > moving the potentiometer unlike 1400- is it digital? The mechanism was > supposedly using linear motor for lense lateral movement- which is very > sensitive the way the machine is placed on your Audio rack- as gravity can > affect the performance unlike 1400 with gear drive which seems better. Also > the mechanism seemed worse than 1400. The sound seemed a bit better / or > worse - I could not say. Because the mchanism seemed filmsy, I returned that > player keeping my 1400!. I think my 1400 is in such a good condition - I > think it will do another 10 years without any problem. > > I guess Denon' 3500 series should have been better. I am waiting for my > visit to US - to get a decent CD player if possible from there instead of > getting one in India? > It looks like I may get a chance to visit US during Feb 2002 !!! > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Oct 24 14:46:01 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:46:01 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cables Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F583E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Ron, applied to audio, what does the term "unshielded cable" mean? AFAIK, even the cheapest cables supplied with any piece of audio (boom-box or something) are shielded. There is a thin multiple-conductor insulated copper wire (connecting pins of RCA jacks) "wrapped" in sort of nickel braiding (connecting the jack bodies), which is in turn wrapped in plastic (outer insulation). Ain't it like that? Who, and what's more important - for what purpose, would produce unshielded cables in audio realm? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Oct 24 15:03:57 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:03:57 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cables Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F583F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, please disregard my previous message - it has not been meant for discussing at Naktalk. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Oct 24 18:58:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:58:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: <001701c15c72$917b7960$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BD6F31A.1B1EC2D7@concentric.net> Has anyone had a chance to see/hear the new Denon DVM-4800? This is a DVD player, but it's supposed to excel as a CD player, with improved transport, multiple 192KHz/24bit DACs, etc. I am especially curious about the improved transport claim. In general, mechanics in Denon CD and DVD players over the past few years have been crap (somehow, fairly reliable, but still, cheapo plastic gismos) -- very slow and very noisy. I wonder if they went to a better transport with this expensive unit. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Denon 1500 MK2 to be precise was with me for a day with tracking problem- > The circuit part is almost similar to 1400 but remote volume works without > moving the potentiometer unlike 1400- is it digital? The mechanism was > supposedly using linear motor for lense lateral movement- which is very > sensitive the way the machine is placed on your Audio rack- as gravity can > affect the performance unlike 1400 with gear drive which seems better. Also > the mechanism seemed worse than 1400. The sound seemed a bit better / or > worse - I could not say. Because the mchanism seemed filmsy, I returned that > player keeping my 1400!. I think my 1400 is in such a good condition - I > think it will do another 10 years without any problem. > > I guess Denon' 3500 series should have been better. I am waiting for my > visit to US - to get a decent CD player if possible from there instead of > getting one in India? > It looks like I may get a chance to visit US during Feb 2002 !!! > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > > > >Hi Kannan, one small error on Kohno's site - CD Player 3 has 20 bit dac > >instead of 18 bit using only 1 PCM1700 (similar chip). I'm still unclear > >regarding difference b/w CD Player line and latter MB line other than > >faceplate. Kannan, have you ever tried denon 1500 (mkII ?), how is it > >compared to your player ? I have one still in the US and wonder if it's > >worth the shipping hassle (bought long time ago pre-nak era). > > > >Salim SM > > > > > >> I have to point out that CDplayer 1 is a limited edition model as per > >Khono' > >> Japanese site - http://www.sakamura-lab.org/~kohno/nak-cd.html . > >> I have not seen any CDplayer1 coming up in ebay. > >> kannan > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Sank > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 17:34:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:34:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: <001701c15c72$917b7960$42d60192@vsnl> <000e01c15bb9$67e31fe0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0b0801c15ca1$64a1cd20$203442cf@sank1> If the Denon is a 1500, clearly don't bother about it. If it is a 1500mKII, it may be worth it. This was a generation or two later & had much better sound. Only hitch is a few rather easy maintenance/repair issues that always come up every few years. Happy to advise if you need. The linear motor tracking system, with proper maintenance & system alignment, was nearly as excellent as that of the Sony CDP-302/302II/102/520ES/620ES/707ES players, which I have great affection for, and aren't affected by up to maybe 15 degrees of tilt when running right. They had no suspension at all, though, so it & all the good Denon players were sensitive to vibration. Big, fat sorbothane or navcom feet are always a good idea on these players. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > Thanks for your review, Kannan. :-) > > Do you still remember what dac inside those players ? I have an old sony es > (audio section looks good) which says 'linear motor', very fast movement ... > changes track even before my finger left the advance button ! With regular > maintenance (shaft lube) these old tanks seems to last forever, I'm pretty > sure the optic is still original. > > Have you decided which player you plan to get over there ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > > > Denon 1500 MK2 to be precise was with me for a day with tracking problem- > > The circuit part is almost similar to 1400 but remote volume works without > > moving the potentiometer unlike 1400- is it digital? The mechanism was > > supposedly using linear motor for lense lateral movement- which is very > > sensitive the way the machine is placed on your Audio rack- as gravity can > > affect the performance unlike 1400 with gear drive which seems better. > Also > > the mechanism seemed worse than 1400. The sound seemed a bit better / or > > worse - I could not say. Because the mchanism seemed filmsy, I returned > that > > player keeping my 1400!. I think my 1400 is in such a good condition - I > > think it will do another 10 years without any problem. > > > > I guess Denon' 3500 series should have been better. I am waiting for my > > visit to US - to get a decent CD player if possible from there instead of > > getting one in India? > > It looks like I may get a chance to visit US during Feb 2002 !!! > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From derek.schulte at nlightphotonics.com Wed Oct 24 17:57:14 2001 From: derek.schulte at nlightphotonics.com (Derek Schulte) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:57:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A Message-ID: <87D5A0BA27FC7B4993938BFCE0F25641107743@NLI-MAIL-SVR.nlightphotonics.com> Salin: First, thanks for the info on the tape remote cable! The CR-2A has a Circular DIN-8 plug (ala old-school PC keyboards), the TA-2A has a wireless (IR) remote with sections for tape and CD control. For reference, The receiver's CD control out, however, appears to be a small diameter (1/8in?) phono? jack---I'll get the skinny on this eventually (I don't have a nak CD player at the time). While the receiver's makes for a nice low-end system component, the tuner section has issues with multipath rejection at my current residence, so I currently use an old el'cheapo tuner that for some reason or another does the trick. (Magnum Dynalabs exceed my current budget.) --Derek Also, thanks for the password Nicholas! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 24 18:28:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:28:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A References: <87D5A0BA27FC7B4993938BFCE0F25641107743@NLI-MAIL-SVR.nlightphotonics.com> Message-ID: <0b2901c15ca8$f9482300$203442cf@sank1> I forget the model number, but you would need the remote interface converter box, which converts the serial miniplug connection to the "parallel" 8-pin connection. It was still available new from Nak as recently as five years ago, so you should give Nakamichi or your nearest delaer a call & see if you can still get it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Schulte" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A > > Salin: > > First, thanks for the info on the tape remote cable! > > The CR-2A has a Circular DIN-8 plug (ala old-school PC keyboards), the > TA-2A has a wireless (IR) remote with sections for tape and CD control. > > > For reference, > > The receiver's CD control out, however, appears to be a small diameter > (1/8in?) phono? jack---I'll get the skinny on this eventually (I don't > have a nak CD player at the time). > > While the receiver's makes for a nice low-end system component, the > tuner section has issues with multipath rejection at my current > residence, so I currently use an old el'cheapo tuner that for some > reason or another does the trick. (Magnum Dynalabs exceed my current > budget.) > > --Derek > > Also, thanks for the password Nicholas! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 24 19:38:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:38:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: <15a.2dde4ec.290856b3@aol.com> In a message dated 10/24/2001 5:22:43 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << I guess Denon' 3500 series should have been better. I am waiting for my visit to US - to get a decent CD player if possible from there instead of getting one in India? It looks like I may get a chance to visit US during Feb 2002 !!! Kannan >> Kannan, Any particular CD player you are considering? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 23 19:23:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:23:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A References: <87D5A0BA27FC7B4993938BFCE0F25641107743@NLI-MAIL-SVR.nlightphotonics.com> <0b2901c15ca8$f9482300$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c15bf0$37861fa0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Nak RE1 manual states RC4 serial to parallel converter to connect mini phone jack remote connections to older cassette decks (other than DR series or Cass Deck series). There's no mention about using mini jack for older cd players / OMS, must be the same converter. MB & CD player series use similar mini phone jack though. Derek, if you find RC4 converter thru your dealer, could you please inform me how much that costs ? I'd like to get one for my BX. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A > I forget the model number, but you would need the remote interface converter > box, which converts the serial miniplug connection to the "parallel" 8-pin > connection. It was still available new from Nak as recently as five years > ago, so you should give Nakamichi or your nearest delaer a call & see if you > can still get it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Schulte" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:57 AM > Subject: [naktalk] TA-2A remote / CR-2A > > > > > > Salin: > > > > First, thanks for the info on the tape remote cable! > > > > The CR-2A has a Circular DIN-8 plug (ala old-school PC keyboards), the > > TA-2A has a wireless (IR) remote with sections for tape and CD control. > > > > > > For reference, > > > > The receiver's CD control out, however, appears to be a small diameter > > (1/8in?) phono? jack---I'll get the skinny on this eventually (I don't > > have a nak CD player at the time). > > > > While the receiver's makes for a nice low-end system component, the > > tuner section has issues with multipath rejection at my current > > residence, so I currently use an old el'cheapo tuner that for some > > reason or another does the trick. (Magnum Dynalabs exceed my current > > budget.) > > > > --Derek > > > > Also, thanks for the password Nicholas! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 23 19:55:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:55:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: <001701c15c72$917b7960$42d60192@vsnl> <000e01c15bb9$67e31fe0$4f289bca@smarzuki> <0b0801c15ca1$64a1cd20$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c15bf0$3bc799e0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Stephen. That 1500-II's been there in DC since 99 with very brim chance of getting it this or next year. :-( But if mechanism is as sturdy as the 302es, it will be a keeper since it has digital out (seller used it for transport too). It has that typical denon slow load tray though, unlike sony's 'wham' everytime it loads a disc. Also thank you very much for the detailed comment and affirmation on old ES players. It sure is one excellent example for such "they don't make it like they used to" statement ... only 7cm thick but weigh like old nak decks. Uses cam wheel to control disc loading too ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > If the Denon is a 1500, clearly don't bother about it. If it is a 1500mKII, > it may be worth it. This was a generation or two later & had much better > sound. Only hitch is a few rather easy maintenance/repair issues that > always come up every few years. Happy to advise if you need. The linear > motor tracking system, with proper maintenance & system alignment, was > nearly as excellent as that of the Sony CDP-302/302II/102/520ES/620ES/707ES > players, which I have great affection for, and aren't affected by up to > maybe 15 degrees of tilt when running right. They had no suspension at all, > though, so it & all the good Denon players were sensitive to vibration. > Big, fat sorbothane or navcom feet are always a good idea on these players. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 24 20:32:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:32:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:26:02 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Also thank you very much for the detailed comment and affirmation on old ES players. It sure is one excellent example for such "they don't make it like they used to" statement ... only 7cm thick but weigh like old nak decks. Uses cam wheel to control disc loading too ! Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, Where can I learn more about this Sony ES player? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Oct 24 21:43:01 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Remote Pinout In-Reply-To: <0BF7B340.504A3C2A.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Nick wrote: > Derek, > > The password to the manuals and reviews was changed to "limited". > Also, the working URL to access the manuals and reviews has changed to: http://support.naks.com/support as above, it's user: naktalk password: limited Enjoy! joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Oct 24 21:53:55 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:53:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: As always, thanks very much Stephen. What are the tweaks necessary to enable them to play CD-R/CD-RW? Is it something I can try myself? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:45:00 -0600 > >Yes, the CDPlayer2 is the same rounded look as the CassetteDeck1/2/etc. >series. The changing mech is Nak & is great. The actual transport is an >average grade Sony, so it's better as a CD player than a transport. Uses a >dual 20-bit Burr-Brown PCM1700 *per channel*, for 4 dac's in total. The >OMS-5II & 7II are the only OMS's worth getting, although the original 5 & 7 >are very nice, too, although a bit lacking in ambience by comparison.The >OMS-4/3/etc. were crap. The CDC-4 changer is a really nice sounding unit, >but has reliability issues with the Pioneer transport control electronics. >All of the above will play CD-R/RW when properly tweaked, but may not as >you >find them. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 25 01:14:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:14:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: Message-ID: <0bbe01c15ce1$a3421ae0$203442cf@sank1> To do it properly, and without risking premature death of the laser, one really needs to have a laser optical power meter to tweak a player for CD-R/RW playback. The main thing is to turn the laser output up to the upper end of it's safe range. Then, the servos must be tweaked to perfection, requiring an oscilloscope & ample experience. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > As always, thanks very much Stephen. What are the tweaks necessary to enable > them to play CD-R/CD-RW? Is it something I can try myself? > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:45:00 -0600 > > > >Yes, the CDPlayer2 is the same rounded look as the CassetteDeck1/2/etc. > >series. The changing mech is Nak & is great. The actual transport is an > >average grade Sony, so it's better as a CD player than a transport. Uses a > >dual 20-bit Burr-Brown PCM1700 *per channel*, for 4 dac's in total. The > >OMS-5II & 7II are the only OMS's worth getting, although the original 5 & 7 > >are very nice, too, although a bit lacking in ambience by comparison.The > >OMS-4/3/etc. were crap. The CDC-4 changer is a really nice sounding unit, > >but has reliability issues with the Pioneer transport control electronics. > >All of the above will play CD-R/RW when properly tweaked, but may not as > >you > >find them. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 24 21:06:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:06:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD Player 2 for those looking References: <0bbe01c15ce1$a3421ae0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000b01c15cbe$f1e14ae0$65289bca@smarzuki> Unfortnately it visually won't match your nak deck / system ... :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288965076 SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 24 21:17:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:17:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: Message-ID: <001201c15cc0$80dc9320$65289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, I've been searching the web and found no info of this 302es. In short, it's an ancient sony player, according to Stephen a 16 bit machine (with sony's better sounding homebrew dac), only 2x oversampling and worse, no digital out. On the good side, it has separate power supply for digital and audio circuits, full cast aluminum tray, aluminum platter, direct drive brushless motor, lightning fast linear drive motor and copper clad cover. Stephen mentioned the possibility of adding digital out with lots of work and certain EE knowledge. :-) Mine plays CDR too and overall a nice sounding player for its age. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > Hi Salim, > > Where can I learn more about this Sony ES player? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 26 00:11:34 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:11:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak alignment jigs. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365ABD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, If anyone is interested here are a set of alignment jigs for Nakamichi decks on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286695846 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 12:35:03 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:35:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players Message-ID: Thanks Stephen. One other question - does this mean you would prefer the Nakamichi CD player 2 over any of the currently available new CD players by other manufacturers up to a price point of USD $1,200? If so, then the Nak CDP 2 on ebay at $100 (no bids as yet) would certainly be worth getting? Cheers. >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:14:30 -0600 > >To do it properly, and without risking premature death of the laser, one >really needs to have a laser optical power meter to tweak a player for >CD-R/RW playback. The main thing is to turn the laser output up to the >upper end of it's safe range. Then, the servos must be tweaked to >perfection, requiring an oscilloscope & ample experience. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Oct 26 16:36:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:36:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: Message-ID: <0e5e01c15e2b$99b40100$203442cf@sank1> Yes, I have to say I'd choose the CDPlayer2 over any current CD player in a rational price range. I'd say anything up to $250 is a good price for a nice one. Of course, for that much, one can easily buy a very nice Pioneer CLD-3080, which is substantially better, IMO. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > > Thanks Stephen. > > One other question - does this mean you would prefer the Nakamichi CD player > 2 over any of the currently available new CD players by other manufacturers > up to a price point of USD $1,200? If so, then the Nak CDP 2 on ebay at $100 > (no bids as yet) would certainly be worth getting? > Cheers. > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players > >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:14:30 -0600 > > > >To do it properly, and without risking premature death of the laser, one > >really needs to have a laser optical power meter to tweak a player for > >CD-R/RW playback. The main thing is to turn the laser output up to the > >upper end of it's safe range. Then, the servos must be tweaked to > >perfection, requiring an oscilloscope & ample experience. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Oct 26 16:48:21 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:48:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD players References: <0e5e01c15e2b$99b40100$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004b01c15e2d$42a4f250$80021fac@brianm> Thanks. I really don't have the money to be putting in that area, but like I say, working at home it would be nice to stuff in a handful of discs and them play. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:08:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX References: <000201c15e45$c2a2fb60$2e2e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00ad01c15e49$30dda460$22756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Stereo FM radio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX > FM Multiplex - what is this, please? > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Oct 26 22:28:51 2001 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf@nakedresource) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:28:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX In-Reply-To: <000201c15e45$c2a2fb60$2e2e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I have an article from 'audiophile' magazine on the history and workings of 'multiplex' if you want it? e-mail me at doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 October 2001 18:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX FM Multiplex - what is this, please? Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 27 15:01:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:01:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <3BDA044D.CFBA29A9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000501c15ee7$8e8c4be0$97f4193e@a4s1s2> First, many thanks to Ron, John and Eric for putting me straight on what "multiplex" means (or meant, now we have "stereo" to replace it!) Second ... I have a query, which will have an obvious answer to you guys who are engineers but which isn't to those, like me, who is not an engineer! The query is ... If a signal is passed through what I will call Deck One when Deck One is in "record mode" and with, say, Dolby S switched on, will the signal that comes out of it into what I will call Deck Two be encoded? In short, may one use a cassette deck with the Dolby circuit required as an outboard filter system for a deck that does not have the required filter? Graham -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 27 15:39:33 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:39:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c15eec$d01def00$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Guys For your interest ... I've been swapping cassettes around and all manner of other kind of things of late to "compare" performance between the ZX9 and the Pioneer CTS830S. Yes, I know this is difficult to achieve given that one cannot achieve a *blind* listening test when one is pushing all the buttons! However, here is one thing that I believe I have found that may interest some of you ... Overall, the Pioneer is not so stable (it's good but the Nak is as solid as I have ever heard) and the sound emitting from the Pioneer tends to me more "metallic" than the ZX-9, like the difference between a good analogue record deck and a CD player. Thus, the Nak also seems to reproduce mid range tonality better than the Pioneer. - Some recording I have that were made on machines other than the Pioneer or Nak sound better on the Pioneer (esp, with Flex switched in) while others sound better on the Nak! Horses for courses ... - Dolby C recordings on the Pioneer sound better replayed on the Pioneer than they do on the Nak. - Dolby B or C recordings on the Nak sound better than they do on the Pioneer. - Dolby S recordings on the Pioneer sound excellent on the Pioneer yet even better (to my ear) when replayed on the Nak with Dolby C switched in! These views are, of course, highly subjective and prejudiced by a) the performance of my one ear!, b) different patch chords between the two decks, (I've not finished making up identical ones for them both yet ... the 5 pin DINs are proving difficult), c) the fact that my listening is also biased by Quad dual mono amplification, d) my listening room, e) the time of the month, f) the lunar cycle, g) a sore ear drum, h) my modified 20+ year old Tandberg speakers, i) etc, j) etc.. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 26 19:18:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:18:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <000501c15ee7$8e8c4be0$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001101c15e42$2b624ec0$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, I may be wrong, but analog stereo fm is still riding on this multiplex techinques until now. On dolby encoding, I believe sound is encoded to tape rec head through record amp portion and simultaneously decoded from tape play head (or source position) through pb amp portion of this dolby S. So if you're thinking of using your dolby S deck (pioneer ?) for your zx9 .... I think it's going to be a bit tougher. Also my long time question, is there any external dolby S unit available ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > First, many thanks to Ron, John and Eric for putting me straight on what > "multiplex" means (or meant, now we have "stereo" to replace it!) > > Second ... I have a query, which will have an obvious answer to you guys who > are engineers but which isn't to those, like me, who is not an engineer! > The query is ... If a signal is passed through what I will call Deck One > when Deck One is in "record mode" and with, say, Dolby S switched on, will > the signal that comes out of it into what I will call Deck Two be encoded? > In short, may one use a cassette deck with the Dolby circuit required as an > outboard filter system for a deck that does not have the required filter? > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 26 19:29:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:29:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps Message-ID: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi guys, Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) spec & price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from both brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between the more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I understand that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between dreadful CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. Thanks in advance, Salim SM PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 27 19:42:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:42:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <000501c15ee7$8e8c4be0$97f4193e@a4s1s2> <001101c15e42$2b624ec0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0f5801c15f0e$ce639c60$203442cf@sank1> Technically, the part in the FM tuner is the "de-multiplexer", though commonly known as the multiplex, which is the term for the transmitting side of the process. There is no way to use one deck as a Dolby processor for another deck, as the monitor output in recording is tapped before any Dolby encoding happens. Likewise, the input of the pb decode of the Dolby is strictly internal, inaccessible from the external inputs. As far as I know, no Dolby S nr processor exists on the market. The only Dolby processor units currently on the market are the pro Dolby SR units, which are, of course, very, very expensive. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > > Hi Graham, > > I may be wrong, but analog stereo fm is still riding on this multiplex > techinques until now. > > On dolby encoding, I believe sound is encoded to tape rec head through > record amp portion and simultaneously decoded from tape play head (or source > position) through pb amp portion of this dolby S. So if you're thinking of > using your dolby S deck (pioneer ?) for your zx9 .... I think it's going to > be a bit tougher. Also my long time question, is there any external dolby S > unit available ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > > > > First, many thanks to Ron, John and Eric for putting me straight on what > > "multiplex" means (or meant, now we have "stereo" to replace it!) > > > > Second ... I have a query, which will have an obvious answer to you guys > who > > are engineers but which isn't to those, like me, who is not an engineer! > > The query is ... If a signal is passed through what I will call Deck One > > when Deck One is in "record mode" and with, say, Dolby S switched on, will > > the signal that comes out of it into what I will call Deck Two be encoded? > > In short, may one use a cassette deck with the Dolby circuit required as > an > > outboard filter system for a deck that does not have the required filter? > > > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 27 19:53:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:53:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I think that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the Adcoms(other than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high reliability. Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound will be. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > Hi guys, > > Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) spec & > price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from both > brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). > > Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between the > more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding > sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked > rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I understand > that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between dreadful > CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 26 20:17:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:17:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c15e4a$6e6e5580$52289bca@smarzuki> Wow .. that is something new (to me) ! I thought adcoms are still US made. Looks like adcom 2535 uses turn off muting ? The little 70wpc Rotel RB970 fade much longer than adcom, despite the smallish looking 'slit foil' capacitors. I mentioned the turn off time mainly because one amp that I really dislike, old B&K ST202+, takes forever to fade out, yet sounded muffled compared to just any other amp I ever tried. Thanks again Stephen, Salim SM PS - finally sold my first 'real amp' adcom gfp-1a and gfa-2 pair to get pa7 ... hopefully it's still there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design > criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I think > that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the Adcoms(other > than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high reliability. > Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to > fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- > the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to > fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound will > be. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sat Oct 27 21:24:32 2001 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:24:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 In-Reply-To: <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <624329998.20011027212432@mail.md> what could that mean: if after switching off the amp, the fading sound becomes harsh? any idea? SS> The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design SS> criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I think SS> that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the Adcoms(other SS> than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high reliability. SS> Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to SS> fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- SS> the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to SS> fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound will SS> be. SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. SS> http://stephensank.com SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: SS> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer SS> ----- Original Message ----- SS> From: "Salim Marzuki" SS> To: SS> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:29 AM SS> Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Oct 27 20:40:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:40:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> <624329998.20011027212432@mail.md> Message-ID: <0f7c01c15f16$eb6d1b80$203442cf@sank1> If it sounds distorted quickly after shut-off, it simply means that the supply drops below the threshold of adequate voltage that quickly. Quite normal. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marin Turea" To: "Stephen Sank" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 > what could that mean: if after switching off the amp, the fading sound > becomes harsh? any idea? > > > SS> The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design > SS> criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I think > SS> that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the Adcoms(other > SS> than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high reliability. > SS> Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to > SS> fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- > SS> the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to > SS> fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound will > SS> be. > > SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > SS> http://stephensank.com > SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > SS> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > SS> ----- Original Message ----- > SS> From: "Salim Marzuki" > SS> To: > SS> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:29 AM > SS> Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Oct 27 20:58:34 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:58:34 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: <20011027.145842.3267.10317@wm2.jersey.juno.com> This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case someone else can be of help. Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or something like that). Are these any good? What should I do? It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 27 22:37:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:37:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <001101c15e42$2b624ec0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000f01c15f27$36e93160$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Hi Salim Thanks for your reply on this - appreciated! BTW, take a look at the attached listing of second hand products from a UK dealer - in there you will find a Fostex Dolby encoder that does both Dolby C and S, and they're selling it for a mere £25!!! I'm tempted myself ... go for it before I do! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 26 October 2001 18:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic Hi Graham, I may be wrong, but analog stereo fm is still riding on this multiplex techinques until now. On dolby encoding, I believe sound is encoded to tape rec head through record amp portion and simultaneously decoded from tape play head (or source position) through pb amp portion of this dolby S. So if you're thinking of using your dolby S deck (pioneer ?) for your zx9 .... I think it's going to be a bit tougher. Also my long time question, is there any external dolby S unit available ? Best regards, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: sh011009.txt URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Oct 28 00:05:43 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:05:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <000f01c15f27$36e93160$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I'm affraid that this unit is ONLY decoder, as it stated on the list. There is one good old Sansui 700 amp that may be worth some interests, not to mention Tannoy drivers :-) Misha >BTW, take a look at the attached listing of second hand products from a UK >dealer - in there you will find a Fostex Dolby encoder that does both Dolby >C and S, and they're selling it for a mere ё25!!! I'm tempted myself ... >go for it before I do! > >Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autofile at TheAutophile.com Sun Oct 28 00:52:23 2001 From: autofile at TheAutophile.com (Peter Lufrano) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:52:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers In-Reply-To: <20011027.145842.3267.10317@wm2.jersey.juno.com> References: <20011027.145842.3267.10317@wm2.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: Joe. Speaker selection is ENTIRELY subjective. It is also (along with the installation/location) responsible for probably 80% of an audio systems final sound quality. Go out and audition as many speaker systems as you can, bring along some of your favorite CD's and tell the salesman to leave you alone. Listen, listen, listen, and trust YOUR ears! >This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in >case someone else can be of help. > >Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. >Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose >sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the >most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > >I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete >checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." >Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > >I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in >the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that >unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT >specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace >the speakers and not the amplifier. > >My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so >I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a >minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a >driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the >ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make >other models like the 346is (or something like that). > >Are these any good? What should I do? > >It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound >right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. >I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > >Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > >- Joe > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sun Oct 28 01:10:15 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:10:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003501c15f3c$8a847ea0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I can say that when I compared the adcom 555 to a rotel rb-880, it was no contest, rotel beat the pants off of it, and it is only a 100 wpc amp. that was in the late 80's and I still have that amp in my second system... if anybody sees one used, let me know as it was awesome bridged. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > Hi guys, > > Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) spec & > price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from both > brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). > > Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between the > more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding > sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked > rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I understand > that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between dreadful > CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Oct 28 01:34:54 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:34:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005a01c15f3f$fb7df980$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Stephan, I don't have heard about Rotel for years. Is this the same brand as made hifi in the earlier '80's ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design > criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I think > that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the Adcoms(other > than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high reliability. > Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to > fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- > the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to > fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound will > be. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) spec > & > > price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from > both > > brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). > > > > Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between the > > more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding > > sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked > > rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I understand > > that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between dreadful > > CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case someone else can be of help. > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or something like that). > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Oct 28 02:11:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:11:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f6001c15f10$4c822e80$203442cf@sank1> <005a01c15f3f$fb7df980$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <0fd201c15f4d$888320a0$203442cf@sank1> The same Rotel that's been around since at least the '70's. They didn't get good until the mid ot late '80's, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > Hello Stephan, > > I don't have heard about Rotel for years. > > Is this the same brand as made hifi in the earlier '80's ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > > > The Adcom amps are built by Rotel's factory, but to different design > > criteria. They are, though, very similar in character. Personally, I > think > > that most of the Rotel's are better by a slight margin than the > Adcoms(other > > than the good old little GFA535). Both are generally very high > reliability. > > Actually, with amps that have no turn-on/off muting, the time it takes to > > fade out can tell you a very important parameter related to sound quality- > > the amount of energy storage in the power supply. The longer it takes to > > fade, the larger the storage, which usually means the better the sound > will > > be. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:29 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) > spec > > & > > > price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from > > both > > > brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). > > > > > > Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between > the > > > more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding > > > sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked > > > rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I > understand > > > that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between > dreadful > > > CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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An aftermarket unit + full custom install was nearly half the price (and unlike the facotry system, the aftermarket unit actaully played CD-Rs). - Joe On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:34:36 "mick s" writes: > > Joe, > > The solution to your problem is quite simple enough. Go to all your > local > wrecking yards (or a hi-fi car installers) and let them know you are > looking > for the sound system from a 98 Nissan Maxima. Then wait patiently > until it > arrives and then install it in your 2000 Nissan Maxima .... > > Mick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Oct 28 04:28:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:28:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers References: <20011027.145842.3267.10317@wm2.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <3BDB7B4C.24A90D56@concentric.net> I am sure others would come up with better advice, but if it was me, I would look for used speakers (and maybe the head unit as well) from a 98 Maxima, in a used parts lot. There are plenty of totaled cars around. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case someone else can be of help. > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or something like that). > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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There is one good old Sansui 700 amp that may be worth some interests, not to mention Tannoy drivers :-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 27 07:04:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:04:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <003501c15f3c$8a847ea0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <001201c15ea4$fc2dec00$67289bca@smarzuki> Hi Erie, Thanks for your reply. In what area you think rotel is better ... i.e. bass, clarity ? I heard that original / older bipolar adcoms were also designed by Nelson Pass, is that true ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > I can say that when I compared the adcom 555 to a rotel rb-880, it was no > contest, rotel beat the pants off of it, and it is only a 100 wpc amp. > > that was in the late 80's and I still have that amp in my second system... > if anybody sees one used, let me know as it was awesome bridged. > > > erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at Home.com Sun Oct 28 07:59:49 2001 From: targowski at Home.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:59:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: What do you mean saying 98 Maxima and 01 Maxima are identical models. 98 is generation behind, the 95-99 years, while 00 and 01 are quite a bit new models, to say the least, with the extra 32 horses under the hood. I have got 2000 Maxima SE, top loaded, and the Nissan-Bose system is very good sounding (all things considered - i.e., with the 225/50VR17 tires it is not the quietest car you can get.). It is way better than the 1991 Nissan-Bose System I had in my old car, and actually better sounding than the standard sound system in 2000 Mercedes S500 I drive on an occasional basis. I also used to drive 2000 Buick LeSabre Limited (loaded) and the Maxima sound system is superior. As an aside, my top loaded 2000 Maxima SE stickered at $29,800. Seems you got screwed paying $35K for the car in the first place. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Sat, October 27, 2001 1:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case someone else can be of help. Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or something like that). Are these any good? What should I do? It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 28 15:05:15 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:05:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365ABD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002a01c15fb9$916fdb60$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Anyone want a ZX9 (not mine!) Go quick before the time runs out. I'd have thought that it's being offered at a fair price provided, of course, it's in as good shape. Nice also to get the original box and manual. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288329766 Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 27 17:11:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:11:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale References: <002a01c15fb9$916fdb60$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000401c15ef9$b13e43c0$50289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, Just want to add that seller is trustworthy ... :-) By the way, what about this one guys, one whole 700 zxl with a pan fried main board for the price of a nak head: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288558356 Just in case you need a full working mecha block, or by any chance have a spare 700 zxl main board - Stephen, Jeff, Scott ... Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale > Anyone want a ZX9 (not mine!) Go quick before the time runs out. I'd have > thought that it's being offered at a fair price provided, of course, it's in > as good shape. Nice also to get the original box and manual. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288329766 > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 28 17:34:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:34:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <002a01c15fb9$916fdb60$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002c01c15fce$595aa920$97f4193e@a4s1s2> I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level settings didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly explained that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd recorded on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her Sony deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not easy for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried the same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that I saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. So, I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing almost identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on the Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear that can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing the one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that the meters say! Is there an easy cure?! Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 27 20:20:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:20:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 References: <002c01c15fce$595aa920$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000401c15f14$00c9e2e0$75289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't know how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb output and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked thoroughly ... but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original alignment, here goes. An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test tape would be: 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer (better in monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output level on sony, or vice versa. 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, play it back on your ZX9 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line output and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there could be a marked difference. 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the original pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver adjust the "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the other one *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your zx9 should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with easier to follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before proceeding with steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless and much easier than checking speaker's output. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level settings > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly explained > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd recorded > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her Sony > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not easy > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried the > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that I > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. So, > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing almost > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on the > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear that > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing the > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that the > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Oct 28 20:54:13 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:54:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: <20011028.145415.-213691.5.josephj69@juno.com> Stan, > What do you mean saying 98 Maxima and 01 Maxima are identical models. 98 is generation behind, the 95-99 years, > while 00 and 01 are quite a bit new models, to say the least, with the extra 32 horses under the hood. I should have been more clear. I meant both my 98 and 01 cars were GLE models with Bose sound - identical "options" is I guess what I meant. >I have got 2000 Maxima SE, top loaded, and the Nissan-Bose system is very good sounding (all things considered - > i.e., with the 225/50VR17 tires it is not the quietest car you can get.). Unless our systems are different, I can only tell you that the system in my 2001 is vastly inferior to the system in 98 model. It's probably better than what comes in a Geo Metro, but not by much. Probably the worst factory system I've heard in years. > As an aside, my top loaded 2000 Maxima SE stickered at $29,800. Seems you got screwed paying $35K for the car in > the first place. I didn't pay $35 - I'm leasing. I believe the sticker was in the $33 range. This is the luxury GLE model with leather interior and several options. - Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 28 23:36:51 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:36:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Dynamic Expander In-Reply-To: <002c01c15fce$595aa920$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004801c16001$09ac38c0$97f4193e@a4s1s2> Interesting one here - 3 band with each band being controlled separately without having to open it up at the back! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12895 81156 Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Dynamic Expander > Interesting one here - 3 band with each band being controlled separately > without having to open it up at the back! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12895 > 81156 > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 29 00:51:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:51:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 References: <002c01c15fce$595aa920$97f4193e@a4s1s2> <000401c15f14$00c9e2e0$75289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <10aa01c1600b$7633d660$203442cf@sank1> Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to adjust these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone source, feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold of solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz tone level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & 202(meter T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the output jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get accurate levels. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > Hi Graham, > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't know > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb output > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked thoroughly ... > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > alignment, here goes. > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test tape > would be: > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer (better in > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output level > on sony, or vice versa. > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, play it > back on your ZX9 > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line output > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there could be > a marked difference. > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the original > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver adjust the > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the other one > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your zx9 > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with easier to > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before proceeding with > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless and > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > settings > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > explained > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > recorded > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her > Sony > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not > easy > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried the > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that I > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. > So, > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing > almost > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on the > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear that > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing the > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that > the > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I didn't know anybody had done that. > Interesting find. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Dynamic Expander > > > Interesting one here - 3 band with each band being controlled separately > > without having to open it up at the back! > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12895 > > 81156 > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Oct 29 09:28:55 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:28:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's experiments with Dolby on ZX-9 and CT-S830S Message-ID: <3BDD1347.C14B7913@sunint.co.za> Graham, That was a fascinating evaluation you summarised for us between the two decks. In particular, the Dolby S encoded tape being decoded by the Nak in Dolby C. Do you ever work without Dolby altogether.....on either deck? Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Oct 29 09:59:05 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:59:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables Message-ID: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> Gentlemen: Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their sonic virtues and in particular their linear tracking tonearms. I have always thought of B+O as hi-fi designed for people who really don't like hi-fi but in ordder to have music in the home they tolerate it as a necessary evil. A bit like the old reputation that Volvo's had - being the ideal car for people who disliked driving. So, what about B+O apparently having the quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - and apperently their linear tracking arms were good? Again what your experiences with linear tracking versus pivotted designs......... I attached a pasted post from a correspondent in Kenya who waxes lyrical about several issues, B+O and linear tracking, as well as the demons of mistracking with radial design arms. Javier, Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a lot!! Marc > linear tracking: > let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear > tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is > bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the > radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of > minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of > the record. > this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally > complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm > design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of > shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then > there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... > > so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking > error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with > fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue > systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. > > as for B&O... > as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some > of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest > turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not > listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but > the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. > the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is > appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of > spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings > keeps any audiophiles away. > > a dog with a bad name? > there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad > press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude > and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about > B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were > clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production > of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that > for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- > they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly > accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to > tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars > to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to > turntables... > > laid bare: > once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 > BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive > tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the > audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping > techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration > from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. > the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O > turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't > have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the > desired quality sound out of the players. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Oct 29 10:55:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:55:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <114b01c1605f$e6a4bc80$203442cf@sank1> First, all but one or two B&O table have really below average specs. Secondly, very few are remotely reliable, with the worst of that being the cartridges having a nasty habit of losing a channel or going distorted. Thirdly, those unreliable cartridges are forced upon the table owner, since you obviously can't use anything but a B&O cart on their tables. Fourthly, their engineering, both mechanical & electronic, is really mediocre. In other words, I wouldn't own one & wouldn't recommend one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables > Gentlemen: > > Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their sonic virtues > and in particular their linear tracking tonearms. I have always thought > of B+O as hi-fi designed for people who really don't like hi-fi but in > ordder to have music in the home they tolerate it as a necessary evil. A > bit like the old reputation that Volvo's had - being the ideal car for > people who disliked driving. So, what about B+O apparently having the > quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - and apperently their linear > tracking arms were good? Again what your experiences with linear > tracking versus pivotted designs......... I attached a pasted post from > a correspondent in Kenya who waxes lyrical about several issues, B+O and > linear tracking, as well as the demons of mistracking with radial design > arms. Javier, Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a lot!! > > > Marc > > > > linear tracking: > > let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear > > tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is > > bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the > > radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of > > minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of > > the record. > > this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally > > complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm > > design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of > > shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then > > there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... > > > > so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking > > error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with > > fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue > > systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. > > > > as for B&O... > > as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some > > of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest > > turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not > > listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but > > the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. > > the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is > > appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of > > spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings > > keeps any audiophiles away. > > > > a dog with a bad name? > > there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad > > press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude > > and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about > > B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were > > clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production > > of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that > > for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- > > they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly > > accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to > > tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars > > to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to > > turntables... > > > > laid bare: > > once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 > > BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive > > tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the > > audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping > > techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration > > from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. > > the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O > > turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't > > have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the > > desired quality sound out of the players. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 29 10:54:46 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:54:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <001a01c1605f$bdcbe360$59ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Well they do look nice and at one time were fairly well rated by the absoulte sound among others but that was long before the Linn and other tables came on the scene. If you want one for looks they are cheap on ebay but if you want good sound there are much better alternatives. as for the linear tracking arm in theory they have no errors but in practise a correctly work linear arm is hard to find. To make a workable linear arm costs real money something like the airtangent ot the rockport arms do work but most of the cheaper linear arms and this includes the B&O don't really track linearly but rather scribe a series of arcs across the record which is more severe than the single arc of a radial arm. As for the signal to noise its a meaningless statement because you have to know how it was measured. Also the reason they haven't been reviewed in the hifi press since the early eighties is simply because tables like the rega three make better music for less money. If you go back and find early issues of TAS say 3 to 12 you will find all sorts of turntables reviewed including, yamaha's denon's b&o's micro seki's naks and even sony's. I'l let Mr Sank chime in on quality and reliability or lack thereof. Warren Ps if you spend enough money and time you can tweak almost anything to sound reasonable, but it may not be worth it ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 29 11:05:11 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:05:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] who is Ted Nakamichi Message-ID: <002601c16061$3f859da0$59ed3fd0@oemcomputer> on the Bowers and Wilkins site it states In February 1999, Nakamichi re-launched in Europe. The company had been taken over by the Grande Group and new funds had been provided, allowing Ted Nakamichi to continue designing innovative Hi-Fi products. The result is a line of stunning new products including a DVD Player and some beautifully styled systems. I know who Niro is but who is Ted??? curiosly Warren http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi_frames.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Oct 29 11:40:27 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:40:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BF9E@CPT-01> i've always wondered how do you get TAS is it on the net?? -----Original Message----- From: Warren [mailto:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: 29 October 2001 11:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables Well they do look nice and at one time were fairly well rated by the absoulte sound among others but that was long before the Linn and other tables came on the scene. If you want one for looks they are cheap on ebay but if you want good sound there are much better alternatives. as for the linear tracking arm in theory they have no errors but in practise a correctly work linear arm is hard to find. To make a workable linear arm costs real money something like the airtangent ot the rockport arms do work but most of the cheaper linear arms and this includes the B&O don't really track linearly but rather scribe a series of arcs across the record which is more severe than the single arc of a radial arm. As for the signal to noise its a meaningless statement because you have to know how it was measured. Also the reason they haven't been reviewed in the hifi press since the early eighties is simply because tables like the rega three make better music for less money. If you go back and find early issues of TAS say 3 to 12 you will find all sorts of turntables reviewed including, yamaha's denon's b&o's micro seki's naks and even sony's. I'l let Mr Sank chime in on quality and reliability or lack thereof. Warren Ps if you spend enough money and time you can tweak almost anything to sound reasonable, but it may not be worth it ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 28 13:21:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:21:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <003201c15fab$33a6cba0$7b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Here's my love / hate relationship with B&O ... I bought a new beogram 8002 in 1985, used it for 2 years, put it inside a box for another 4 years, and it stopped working ever since. No local distributor would touch it, not even B&O station in singapore could guarantee it can be repaired. So much for high tech direct drive reliability. But wait, I still have the high quality 'line contact' MMC2 ... maybe older belt driven B&O is more reliable. Bought a used beogram 4002 with flabby belt, damn - cartridge won't fit in ! OK, found another older 'line contact' MMC20CL from a US collector (low hours), try to order new belt ... guess what ? nobody carries belt that size. My advice, stay away from beogram temptation for good and reliable LP playing. OK for second system just for its cool looking arm. Sonically the MMC2 is so-so (on another table using 1/4" adaptor) compared to better Audio Technica models, still it offers better value than the table itself. If you can find a working table for little money then you might enjoy the stylus while it lasts and be prepared to shell out some $250-300 for a new MMC2. Lower models (I have the shibata MMC6000 and MMC20EN) do not sound good, but maybe that's because of aging rubber mount. Linear tracking arm implementation is much better (and also sounds better) than cheapo technics linear table - but no match for ancient SME 3009 /II which can be had for cheap nowadays. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables > Gentlemen: > > Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their sonic virtues > and in particular their linear tracking tonearms. I have always thought > of B+O as hi-fi designed for people who really don't like hi-fi but in > ordder to have music in the home they tolerate it as a necessary evil. A > bit like the old reputation that Volvo's had - being the ideal car for > people who disliked driving. So, what about B+O apparently having the > quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - and apperently their linear > tracking arms were good? Again what your experiences with linear > tracking versus pivotted designs......... I attached a pasted post from > a correspondent in Kenya who waxes lyrical about several issues, B+O and > linear tracking, as well as the demons of mistracking with radial design > arms. Javier, Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a lot!! > > > Marc > > > > linear tracking: > > let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear > > tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is > > bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the > > radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of > > minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of > > the record. > > this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally > > complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm > > design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of > > shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then > > there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... > > > > so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking > > error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with > > fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue > > systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. > > > > as for B&O... > > as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some > > of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest > > turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not > > listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but > > the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. > > the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is > > appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of > > spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings > > keeps any audiophiles away. > > > > a dog with a bad name? > > there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad > > press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude > > and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about > > B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were > > clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production > > of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that > > for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- > > they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly > > accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to > > tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars > > to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to > > turntables... > > > > laid bare: > > once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 > > BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive > > tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the > > audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping > > techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration > > from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. > > the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O > > turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't > > have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the > > desired quality sound out of the players. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Oct 29 14:48:15 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:48:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] phono stages Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFA3@CPT-01> I have been looking at upgrading my phono stage and have been hearing various pieces of advice and i wondered what some fellow naktalkers thought. firstly my system is micro seiki bl10x turntable (not one of their top of the range but well built) grado gold cartridge naim flatcap, preamp and power amp linn kelidh speakers my preference is for rock and blues hence the naim system. i must say that i very much like the sound of tubes and would have gone for such a system at the start but now that i've made this investment i need to make improvements with what i've got (nak 1000zxl being one such purchase). i live in south africa so auditioning anything is a problem. so far i have been told to look at elecrocompaniet, EAR and an italian valve phono called synthesis (it has a seperate power supply which sounds interesting). what are peoples general thoughts on this what should i look for, should it have mm and mc capability in the beginning or can i start with mm (grado gold is high output). the naim has a phono stage and it isn't bad but someone i trust auditioned the EAR with a naim system and said it blew it away so i know that the naim can be improved upon. i don't want to over capitalize (ie have a phono stage which is better than my system can handle) but at the same time i'm looking for a marked improvement. interested in your thoughts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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Perhaps Carlos Guzman (also in the pro arena) knows? Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 10/26/01 07:18PM >>> Hi Graham, I may be wrong, but analog stereo fm is still riding on this multiplex techinques until now. On dolby encoding, I believe sound is encoded to tape rec head through record amp portion and simultaneously decoded from tape play head (or source position) through pb amp portion of this dolby S. So if you're thinking of using your dolby S deck (pioneer ?) for your zx9 .... I think it's going to be a bit tougher. Also my long time question, is there any external dolby S unit available ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > First, many thanks to Ron, John and Eric for putting me straight on what > "multiplex" means (or meant, now we have "stereo" to replace it!) > > Second ... I have a query, which will have an obvious answer to you guys who > are engineers but which isn't to those, like me, who is not an engineer! > The query is ... If a signal is passed through what I will call Deck One > when Deck One is in "record mode" and with, say, Dolby S switched on, will > the signal that comes out of it into what I will call Deck Two be encoded? > In short, may one use a cassette deck with the Dolby circuit required as an > outboard filter system for a deck that does not have the required filter? > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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There is no way to use one deck as a Dolby processor for another deck, as the monitor output in recording is tapped before any Dolby encoding happens. Likewise, the input of the pb decode of the Dolby is strictly internal, inaccessible from the external inputs. As far as I know, no Dolby S nr processor exists on the market. The only Dolby processor units currently on the market are the pro Dolby SR units, which are, of course, very, very expensive. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > > Hi Graham, > > I may be wrong, but analog stereo fm is still riding on this multiplex > techinques until now. > > On dolby encoding, I believe sound is encoded to tape rec head through > record amp portion and simultaneously decoded from tape play head (or source > position) through pb amp portion of this dolby S. So if you're thinking of > using your dolby S deck (pioneer ?) for your zx9 .... I think it's going to > be a bit tougher. Also my long time question, is there any external dolby S > unit available ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > > > > First, many thanks to Ron, John and Eric for putting me straight on what > > "multiplex" means (or meant, now we have "stereo" to replace it!) > > > > Second ... I have a query, which will have an obvious answer to you guys > who > > are engineers but which isn't to those, like me, who is not an engineer! > > The query is ... If a signal is passed through what I will call Deck One > > when Deck One is in "record mode" and with, say, Dolby S switched on, will > > the signal that comes out of it into what I will call Deck Two be encoded? > > In short, may one use a cassette deck with the Dolby circuit required as > an > > outboard filter system for a deck that does not have the required filter? > > > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Mon Oct 29 16:32:54 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:32:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] who is Ted Nakamichi Message-ID: <001c01c1608e$fb805a40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Apparently Ted is the son of Niro, but the father of the Nakamichi half speed cassette deck, which never took off. See below. I didn't know that Japanese named their boys "Ted". By the way has anybody ever seen or used a Nakamichi 1/2 speed cassette? That's less than an inch per second! --Roland http://www.avauthority.com/homeproducts.html Ted Nakamichi is back at the helm of the company, and Dean Miller has rejoined Nakamichi as President, Dean was the driving force behind Nakamichi's dominance in the 80's and early 90's. http://twcny.rr.com/technofile/texts/tednakam.htm Ted Nakamichi had an idea. If records could be recorded at half their regular speed, why not cassettes? The company that his father founded researched the idea, and in the 1970s Nakamichi Corp. introduced a brilliant line of cassette decks that recorded at both the regular speed and at half speed. Tapes that normally played for 45 minutes on each side were able to play for an hour and a half. That was three hours of audio on each regular tape. (And four hours on the thinner C-120 tapes.) Nakamichi thought the biggest problem would be sound quality. Just as it is harder to write legibly on a piece of paper when you cram twice as many words on each line, it is more difficult to record a full range of sounds when the disc or tape isn't spinning or moving at a regular speed. On a disc, the wiggles in the grooves become squished, and on a tape the magnetic patterns tend to blend together. Nakamichi solved the problem with a super-precise tape-recording head. The sound quality wasn't as good as on Nakamichi's regular recorders, but it was plenty good enough. But a bigger problem eventually killed the half-speed cassette deck. Consumers didn't trust it. Other companies watched from the sidelines as buyers stayed away from Nakamichi's new design. To millions of consumers, the search for higher and higher fidelity meant that an extra-slow tape speed was a step backward. Other manufacturers even thumbed their noses at Nakamichi by selling cassette decks that recorded at double speed, but those designs, too, ended up as failures. The universal consumer axiom -- Don't be the first to try it or the last to buy it -- had buried Nakamichi's brainchild. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Oct 29 16:36:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net ( Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:36:05 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: <20011029153606.25113.qmail@earthlink.net> Hi Joe, I need more information before I can answer your question. Specifically, are the component speakers crossed over passively or actively? What are the cross over frequencies and how powerful are the respective amplifiers? Being a factory system, I'm guessing that the specs aren't readily available but perhaps I'm wrong. Jim Volpatti -----Original Message----- From: "Stephen Sank" Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:09:48 -0600 To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers > Sorry, but I am completely out of touch with what's available these days in > car speakers. I think John Smokevitch or Jim Volpatti are better informed > to answer the question. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers > > > > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case > someone else can be of help. > > > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both > cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. > The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of > crap I have ever heard in my life. > > > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at > the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose > cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door > and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose > systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each > speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. > > > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want > something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of > fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than > 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of > the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or > something like that). > > > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right > now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want > to spend more than $300 or so. > > > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Oct 29 17:03:06 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:03:06 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] who is Ted Nakamichi Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5860@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I've got an 680ZX, which is half-speed capable. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [SMTP:ruajw2 at idirect.com] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] who is Ted Nakamichi > > Apparently Ted is the son of Niro, but the father of the Nakamichi half > speed cassette deck, which never took off. See below. I didn't know that > Japanese named their boys "Ted". > > By the way has anybody ever seen or used a Nakamichi 1/2 speed cassette? > That's less than an inch per second! > > --Roland > > http://www.avauthority.com/homeproducts.html > > Ted Nakamichi is back at the helm of the company, and Dean Miller has > rejoined Nakamichi as President, Dean was the driving force behind > Nakamichi's dominance in the 80's and early 90's. > > http://twcny.rr.com/technofile/texts/tednakam.htm > > Ted Nakamichi had an idea. If records could be recorded at half their > regular speed, why not cassettes? The company that his father founded > researched the idea, and in the 1970s Nakamichi Corp. introduced a > brilliant > line of cassette decks that recorded at both the regular speed and at half > speed. > > Tapes that normally played for 45 minutes on each side were able to play > for > an hour and a half. That was three hours of audio on each regular tape. > (And > four hours on the thinner C-120 tapes.) > > Nakamichi thought the biggest problem would be sound quality. Just as it > is > harder to write legibly on a piece of paper when you cram twice as many > words on each line, it is more difficult to record a full range of sounds > when the disc or tape isn't spinning or moving at a regular speed. On a > disc, the wiggles in the grooves become squished, and on a tape the > magnetic > patterns tend to blend together. > > Nakamichi solved the problem with a super-precise tape-recording head. The > sound quality wasn't as good as on Nakamichi's regular recorders, but it > was > plenty good enough. > > But a bigger problem eventually killed the half-speed cassette deck. > Consumers didn't trust it. Other companies watched from the sidelines as > buyers stayed away from Nakamichi's new design. To millions of consumers, > the search for higher and higher fidelity meant that an extra-slow tape > speed was a step backward. > > Other manufacturers even thumbed their noses at Nakamichi by selling > cassette decks that recorded at double speed, but those designs, too, > ended > up as failures. > > The universal consumer axiom -- Don't be the first to try it or the last > to > buy it -- had buried Nakamichi's brainchild. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Oct 29 17:05:41 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:05:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] who is Ted Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <001c01c1608e$fb805a40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> References: <001c01c1608e$fb805a40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <143996516.20011029170541@web.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roland, due to my information (German HiFi mag STEREO Cassette deck handbook from 1982) the Nakamichi 680 ZX had the ability to record and playback with half speed. I think it was the only Nak machine offering this feature. BTW: In the same book I saw a 1000 ZXL the first time. The book says that even with half speed the frequncy range is smooth enough to record music from the radio. Using metal tapes you'll get results beating a normal mid class deck with normal speed. Klaus ============================================================= Am Montag, 29. Oktober 2001 habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten On Monday, October 29, 2001 I got the following lines > Apparently Ted is the son of Niro, but the father of the Nakamichi half > speed cassette deck, which never took off. See below. I didn't know > that Japanese named their boys "Ted". > By the way has anybody ever seen or used a Nakamichi 1/2 speed cassette? > That's less than an inch per second! > --Roland > http://www.avauthority.com/homeproducts.html > Ted Nakamichi is back at the helm of the company, and Dean Miller has > rejoined Nakamichi as President, Dean was the driving force behind > Nakamichi's dominance in the 80's and early 90's. > http://twcny.rr.com/technofile/texts/tednakam.htm > Ted Nakamichi had an idea. If records could be recorded at half their > regular speed, why not cassettes? The company that his father founded > researched the idea, and in the 1970s Nakamichi Corp. introduced a > brilliant line of cassette decks that recorded at both the regular speed > and at half speed. > Tapes that normally played for 45 minutes on each side were able to play > for an hour and a half. That was three hours of audio on each regular > tape. (And four hours on the thinner C-120 tapes.) > Nakamichi thought the biggest problem would be sound quality. Just as it > is harder to write legibly on a piece of paper when you cram twice as > many words on each line, it is more difficult to record a full range of > sounds when the disc or tape isn't spinning or moving at a regular > speed. On a disc, the wiggles in the grooves become squished, and on a > tape the magnetic patterns tend to blend together. > Nakamichi solved the problem with a super-precise tape-recording head. > The sound quality wasn't as good as on Nakamichi's regular recorders, > but it was plenty good enough. > But a bigger problem eventually killed the half-speed cassette deck. > Consumers didn't trust it. Other companies watched from the sidelines as > buyers stayed away from Nakamichi's new design. To millions of > consumers, the search for higher and higher fidelity meant that an > extra-slow tape speed was a step backward. > Other manufacturers even thumbed their noses at Nakamichi by selling > cassette decks that recorded at double speed, but those designs, too, > ended up as failures. > The universal consumer axiom -- Don't be the first to try it or the last > to buy it -- had buried Nakamichi's brainchild. > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. 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They were made for people for whom form preceded sound quality. That said, B&O products sounded pretty good, just not as good as some other makes with lesser industrial design (and possibly, lower price). In the mid 80s, when I was in the market for a turntable, I chose the ReVox over the B&O, because the former sounded better, accepted any standard cartridge and was much more reliable. My experience with B&O is very dated, so I am not speaking for newer models. On linear tracking: it's true that theoretically, tracking error angle should be zero. However, one can calculate the attendant distortion due to, say, 1/2 degree error and it turns out that's it's far lower than the distortion inherent in the vinyl recording process. In practice, achieving the zero tracking error of linear trackers entails design tradeoffs -- mostly, friction. Finally: it's very difficult to achieve zero tracking error, even with linear arms, due to tolerances in cartridge mounting. I believe that ReVox offered the best linear arm implementation, with their motor driven, servo controlled arm. Still, almost 20 years later, a Garrard 401 with SME 3009 arm still sounds marginally better and is probably just as gentle on the LP. -- Ron Marc Hugo wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their > sonic virtues and in particular their linear tracking > tonearms. I have always thought of B+O as hi-fi designed for > people who really don't like hi-fi but in ordder to have music > in the home they tolerate it as a necessary evil. A bit like > the old reputation that Volvo's had - being the ideal car for > people who disliked driving. So, what about B+O apparently > having the quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - and > apperently their linear tracking arms were good? Again what > your experiences with linear tracking versus pivotted > designs......... I attached a pasted post from a correspondent > in Kenya who waxes lyrical about several issues, B+O and > linear tracking, as well as the demons of mistracking with > radial design arms. Javier, Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a > lot!! > > > Marc > > > > linear tracking: > > let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear > > tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is > > bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the > > radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of > > minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of > > the record. > > this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally > > complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm > > design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of > > shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then > > there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... > > > > so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking > > error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with > > fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue > > systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. > > > > as for B&O... > > as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some > > of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest > > turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not > > listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but > > the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. > > the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is > > appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of > > spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings > > keeps any audiophiles away. > > > > a dog with a bad name? > > there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad > > press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude > > and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about > > B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were > > clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production > > of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that > > for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- > > they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly > > accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to > > tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars > > to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to > > turntables... > > > > laid bare: > > once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 > > BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive > > tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the > > audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping > > techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration > > from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. > > the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O > > turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't > > have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the > > desired quality sound out of the players. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 29 19:49:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:49:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Graham's experiments with Dolby on ZX-9 and CT-S830S In-Reply-To: <3BDD1347.C14B7913@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <000d01c160aa$75876980$f8fe193e@a4s1s2> Hi Marc I used to work without Dolby when I used my old Aiwa decks and my portable Marantz CD320. This was because I found the Dolby B on them tended to take out some of the zing of the transients. When I first acquired the Pioneer I didn't even bother with Dolby B or C but when directly to S because a Pioneer fan that I knew from the Internet had sent me a recording he'd made directly from CD onto his CTS830S (bypassing the amp) onto TDK MA and it sounded fantastic, with all the dynamics, transients, bass, mid range and excitement I'd have expected from hearing the original CD. So, I stuck with Dolby S until I heard Nakamichi Dolby C and was also impressed. Perhaps I'll have another go at longer listening to tapes recorded on the Nak without Dolby but I most definitely prefer the S made takes to nil Dolby on the Pioneer. Perhaps it is a characteristic of the Pioneer (which seems a wee heavy on the treble) that tape hiss seem more pronounced but the Dolby S does seem to eliminate it very effectively and without spoiling the recording in any other respect - at least none that is audible to me. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: 29 October 2001 08:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Graham's experiments with Dolby on ZX-9 and CT-S830S Graham, That was a fascinating evaluation you summarised for us between the two decks. In particular, the Dolby S encoded tape being decoded by the Nak in Dolby C. Do you ever work without Dolby altogether.....on either deck? Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Oct 29 20:46:52 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:46:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> <114b01c1605f$e6a4bc80$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BDDB227.C029E0E9@pacbell.net> To further that, I have never heard GOOD sound from even the most expensive b&O cartridge/stylus configurations! Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > First, all but one or two B&O table have really below average specs. > Secondly, very few are remotely reliable, with the worst of that being the > cartridges having a nasty habit of losing a channel or going distorted. > Thirdly, those unreliable cartridges are forced upon the table owner, since > you obviously can't use anything but a B&O cart on their tables. Fourthly, > their engineering, both mechanical & electronic, is really mediocre. > In other words, I wouldn't own one & wouldn't recommend one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:59 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables > > > Gentlemen: > > > > Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their sonic virtues > > and in particular their linear tracking tonearms. I have always thought > > of B+O as hi-fi designed for people who really don't like hi-fi but in > > ordder to have music in the home they tolerate it as a necessary evil. A > > bit like the old reputation that Volvo's had - being the ideal car for > > people who disliked driving. So, what about B+O apparently having the > > quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - and apperently their linear > > tracking arms were good? Again what your experiences with linear > > tracking versus pivotted designs......... I attached a pasted post from > > a correspondent in Kenya who waxes lyrical about several issues, B+O and > > linear tracking, as well as the demons of mistracking with radial design > > arms. Javier, Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a lot!! > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > linear tracking: > > > let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear > > > tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is > > > bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the > > > radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of > > > minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of > > > the record. > > > this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally > > > complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm > > > design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of > > > shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then > > > there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... > > > > > > so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking > > > error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with > > > fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue > > > systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. > > > > > > as for B&O... > > > as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some > > > of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest > > > turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not > > > listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but > > > the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. > > > the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is > > > appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of > > > spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings > > > keeps any audiophiles away. > > > > > > a dog with a bad name? > > > there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad > > > press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude > > > and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about > > > B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were > > > clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production > > > of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that > > > for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- > > > they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly > > > accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to > > > tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars > > > to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to > > > turntables... > > > > > > laid bare: > > > once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 > > > BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive > > > tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the > > > audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping > > > techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration > > > from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. > > > the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O > > > turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't > > > have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the > > > desired quality sound out of the players. > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Oct 29 20:48:14 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:48:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Infinity Kappa90 speakers Message-ID: <001801c160b2$f5c8b060$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Naktalkers, I've seen Infinity speakers on ebay and i wonder if the Nakamichi PA5 is the good amp to drive these Kappa 90. Maybe Stephan ever heard such a combination? Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Mon Oct 29 21:43:25 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:43:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers References: <20011027.145842.3267.10317@wm2.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <3BDDBF6D.7D17D422@snip.net> Dear Joe and Stan, your posts were interesting because the car on which I'm doing my research for, and planning to install an "ultimate" car audio system is a 2000 Nissan Maxima Se with the factory Bose upgrade. (see my previous posts to NakTalk.) I kind of suspect your problem is more in the head unit electronics of the Bose system than in the speakers themselves. Reason: the Bose CD player doesn't sound too bad, actually is OK for standard car stereo upgrades but the tape player sucks when it comes to playing tapes made on my home Nak decks (currently a Dragon and previously a CR-7a, and a 700ZXL) Yet these tapes sounded beautiful and so alive when played through my TD1200II in my previous car (a 99 Honda Accord EX V-6 with a Nak-a/d/s-OZ system installed). Accordingly, I suspect that while CD's may sound OK, your previously recorded tapes (probably recorded on a NAK deck) don't. If you want to get the tapes sounding right and if you make your own compilations on tape (e.g., mellow Jazz, dynamite female vocals, your favorite cuts of favorite artists, etc.) upgrading the speakers isn't going to do it. The inescapable fact is that tapes carefully-made on you lovingly cared-for home NAK deck just aren't going to sound good on the Bose's tape player (which among other faults only has Dolby B). Solutions are probably two-fold: If you think the CD player in the Bose is good enough (I don't, I think it is only OK), then get a good CDR recorder, a stand-alone professional unit. The best unit out there for the value is probably the Sony CDRW-33 and -66 ( I strongly prefer the -66). they both will let you copy your favorite records and tapes to CD (through your pre-amp's tape loop) using Sony's super bit mapping process which is probably going to give you about the best result you can get in copying analog media to CD. With both you can also make copies of your CD's so that you have one for your home system and one for the car. The W-66 has balanced inputs and outputs both for balanced hookup to you home system and for taking the digital out directly from your CD player or transport in AES/EBU. (the -33 has only RCA's for your home system hookup and only coaxial digital for taking the digital signal from your CD player or transport). both have sony's latest 24bit DACs but only the -66 applies super bit mapping to your digital in (through the AES/EBU input). While that solution will work. I's expensive, and it doesn't solve the problem of what to do with your current library of cassette tapes. Furthermore, as mentioned above, I don't think the CD player in the Bose system is worth the expense and investment. As mentioned in my earlier posts, I think the ideal solution is a double DIN installation with a high quality CD only head unit, either the Nak MB-100 or the CD-700, and then a Nak TD1200II) or TD700 running directly into the AUX input on the Nak CD only head unit. Then you can have both your tapes and your CD's played back with about the best quality possible in your car. Incidentally most factory upgraded audio systems which have both CD and tape play back are double DIN installations so It's easy to install my ultimate system. Plus make sure you save the factory unit you took out, so that when you sell your car you can have your installer take out your ultimate system and reinstall the factory system. (For example, my Nak TD1200II has been in a BMW 535i, an AUDI 5000 turbo, a Mazda RX-7 Turbo and the aforementioned Honda Accord and is now awaiting the double DIN installation into my 2000 Nissan Maxima SE.) If you only have room for one head unit, then go for a Nak MB-100 or CD-700 and use the Sony CDRW-66 to make duplicate copies of your CD's and compilation copies of your analog sources, though analog copies made through your home Nak deck and played back in a Nak TD1200II in your car will probably still sound better than the "compilation" CD's of the same analog sources. As far as trying to replace the Bose speakers, get the cheapest a/d/s speakers, 335 or 336 is's for the front and 235 or 335 im's for the rear fill. It's a little known secret that most of the a/d/s speaker drivers are exactly the same as you go up the line, rather it's their crossovers that improve as you go up their line (the 335c crossover is a thing of beauty). (That's how a/d/s save costs by making essentially only one tweeter, one 5-1/4" driver and one 6-1/2" driver for all their speaker lines.) However, this probably won't satisfy you because: (1) you still will be using Bose's crossovers and amps and (2) I suspect your problem is really in Bose's tape player in their head unit. I hope this has been helpful. Best regards, John josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in case someone else can be of help. > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace the speakers and not the amplifier. > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make other models like the 346is (or something like that). > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Mon Oct 29 22:13:32 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:13:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3BDDC67C.451B629F@snip.net> Marc, If you want to play around with linear tracking, try to find a good Revox on eBay. With the mounting jig and the optional counter-weights, you can mount almost any cartridge in it, including the moving coils. And frankly though it was pooh-poohed by many high end dealers, it worked (like many things Revox) and it was essentially hassle free. While it didn't give me the sound which my Souther arm did, it also wasn't going out of adjustment and needing constant tweaking to avoid sticking in the groove like the Souther did. I went to it from a Linn with a Grace arm and MC cartridge (replaced the Revox cartridge with the Grace) and enjoyed it as long as I had it. I eventually replaced it with an Oracle Table with the afore-mentioned Souther--so you can see I was hooked on straight line tracking. Best regards, John Marc Hugo wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Do any of you have any experience of B+O turntables, their sonic > virtues and in particular their linear tracking tonearms. I have > always thought of B+O as hi-fi designed for people who really don't > like hi-fi but in ordder to have music in the home they tolerate it as > a necessary evil. A bit like the old reputation that Volvo's had - > being the ideal car for people who disliked driving. So, what about > B+O apparently having the quietest decks with the highest s/n ratios - > and apperently their linear tracking arms were good? Again what your > experiences with linear tracking versus pivotted designs......... I > attached a pasted post from a correspondent in Kenya who waxes lyrical > about several issues, B+O and linear tracking, as well as the demons > of mistracking with radial design arms. Javier, > Stephen.....anyone???? Thanks a lot!! > > > Marc > > >> linear tracking: >> let's first agree that because LP records are cut using a linear >> tracking head, if you play back using radial tracking arms there is >> bound to be some tracking error, no matter how small. these days the >> radial arm designs we have have reduced the errors to the absolute of >> minutes but the error is only zero at two points along the travel of >> the record. >> this is true regardless of the styli you employ and is generally >> complicated if the cartridge is not aligned properly. radial arm >> design at best is an excercise in compromise...with a wide variety of >> shapes, weights, materials to choose from and debate about. then >> there is the skating element & cartridge alignment... >> >> so in my view if you want to play your records with zero tracking >> error one must play the record as it was cut. one will put up with >> fussy set up and maintenance, as one has to do with all analogue >> systems. analogue tape recorder buffs will testify to this. >> >> as for B&O... >> as far as SN ratio figures go the B&O linear tracking units have some >> of the highest: at 80-85dB they probably rank among the quietest >> turntables (now sadly out of production) in this category. i have not >> listened to one so i cannot comment on what the sound is like, but >> the figures are impressive, though they tell not the whole story. >> the aluminium finish & sleek styling and simplicity of layout is >> appealing to those who value the look, but the high cost, lack of >> spares and inclination not to work with other manufacturers' fittings >> keeps any audiophiles away. >> >> a dog with a bad name? >> there is also the fact that B&O turntables generally receive bad >> press among audiophile circles because of their exclusivist attitude >> and the fact that little is know about them. what i WILL say about >> B&O turntables is that as far as industrial design goes they were >> clear ahead in this field from 1976 to the early 90s when production >> of turntables ceased. as for the sound- i think we can all agree that >> for the money asked there are better machines to be had(and heard)- >> they simply look better than they sound firstly because they hardly >> accept external components and the fact that they are really hard to >> tweek by design. add the typical cost of an MMC cartridge:51 dollars >> to the equation and you see why many prefer danish pastry to >> turntables... >> >> laid bare: >> once (however) you get to tweeking a B&O turntable (like a 1980 >> BEOGRAM 1600) one discoveres that with patience and extensive >> tweeking the sound can be improved dramatically and brought into the >> audiophile realm- judicious use of (motor, chassis & spring) damping >> techniques, conical isolation feet, careful placement,and migration >> from the DIN connector have all yielded rather interesting results. >> the bad press on B&O comes about since most people expect B&O >> turntables to perform as intricately as they were designed (you can't >> have it all!) and the fact that most people prefer not to tweek the >> desired quality sound out of the players. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Alesis unit allows you to record at 24bits/96Khz, and then simply "dump" the higher standard digital recording to your cassette tapes. Moreover, you'd keep your CD "master" for enjoying playback at home. Any thoughts from any NakTalkers on these options are welcomed. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Oct 30 00:08:00 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:08:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023133037.00aa5c40@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023170620.00ab4030@mail.verizon.net> <3BD5F86B.7C2CC8F8@earthlink.net> <09ca01c15c3a$66d554c0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00a801c160ce$8ee84240$5f10efd1@KevinRogers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders Hi All. If anyone is interested, I have a mint DBX 4BX with remote and manual for sale for $250.00 plus postage. Kevin Rogers > As far as I know, the DBX series were the only expanders to be band > separated. The 3BX was actually not the top dog. There was also a 4BX, > which was 4 bands. Very rare bird. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT (Off Topic) - speaking of tuners and expanders > > > > You know, it dawned on me after hit the send button that perhaps some > > expander work separately on different bands but only display the overall > > the expansion, not each band. > > > > Thanks for the info, Marc. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > At 10/23/01, you wrote: > > > >I'm curious about the dBx three band expanders. I've done a lot of > > > >recording studio work in the passed and never once came across an > > > >expander/noise gate that broke the signal up into lows, mids and highs > > > >and expanded them separately. Is this just a marketing ploy for dBx to > > > >differentiate themselves from the competition or does it really improve > > > >the sound? I have my eye on a used Aphex 612 expander/gate but it > > > >retails for $800. > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ============================================ > > > Actually, Jim, you probably have. > > > > > > That is just how Dolby A works. > > > > > > Dolby B a simplified form of the A - just the HF portion. > > > > > > Dolby C, still just working on the HF shelf, compresses and > > > expands at double the amplitude of Dolby B. > > > > > > __________________________Marc Stager > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Oct 30 00:21:17 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:21:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables References: <3BDD1A59.633E236F@sunint.co.za> <3BDDC67C.451B629F@snip.net> Message-ID: <002f01c160d0$694b6f60$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> on the other side of the coin, I have a B&O 8002 TT that I bought for less than $100. Originally for my second system(2 Channel), but now in my first(combo A/V-Audio). Ease of use is the only reason, my wife and stepdaughters can put a record on and simply hit play, And I don't lose sleep over the cantilever on my MC cartridge/ Sumiko arm/Ariston rig. and I don't get the same "why doesn't it turn on when I move the arm" question. erie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Tue Oct 30 01:49:42 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:49:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers References: Message-ID: <3BDDF926.ACCD0E60@snip.net> We're "apple"ing and "orange"ing here. Sony CDRW-66's 24 bit DAC's also convert 96Hz recorded material. That's for if you are copying a DAT or other digital media that's been recorded at 96Hz. But in writing it to the CDR or CDRW that you are using, it must use the CD blue book standard of 44.1Hz for the recording to the CDR or CDRW. That's where the Sony's super bit mapping comes in. You've heard Stephen say that for best sound he prefers CD's that were originally mastered with Sony's super bit mapping. While I don't understand the technical end of how super bit mapping claims to be better than standard CD mastering, the reason I prefer the Sony CD recorder is that it has it along with all the other features (synch'd recording to multiple CD's, etc.) that the other high end professional CD recorders have. And for home audiophiles, who want to make the best possible CD recording of their analog sources, and duplicate or compilation recordings from their CD's or from a mixture of CD's and analog sources, that seems to be the best way to go. Also the prices are not too outrageous. The CDRW-66 can be gotten for about $850-$900 on eBay and lists for about $1300-$1400 I believe. The CDRW-33 lists for about $895 and can be found for about $500-$600. Yamaha, I believe also makes a really interesting high end professional CD recorder (I forget the model no.) but it is significantly more expensive than the Sony CDRW-66. I think about $2,000 list, but for home audiophile recording of analog sources to CDR's and CDRW's, it doesn't do any thing more or better than the two Sony's and doesn't have super bit mapping. Other wise the top Sony has all the features of the top HHB's and Fostex at a better price. For example to get synched recording to multiple CDR's and both single ended and balanced inputs and outputs (features, by the way, which are really only important for recording professionals) you have to go to the HHB 850 Plus, which is more than the Sony and doesn't have the super bit mapping. The problem with the HHB's and the Fostex's is that they are made for them by other sources, which is why you will find that many if not all of the HHB and Fostex models are identical because they are outsourced from the same source. They don't make their own. They only put their name plate on it. For example the older HHB 800 and the similar Fostex and Otari (not sure of model nos.) were all exactly the same and were made by Pioneer (or whoever it was that used the "Stable Platter" mechanism) Which is why their transports were considered so much better than the later HHB 850's and similar Fostex and Otari because they no longer used that platter support mechanism, even though they may have had better DAC's. The Sony and Yamaha, to my knowledge, are mad by Sony and Yamaha, themselves, respectively. I hope this was helpful. Best regards, John SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/29/2001 2:45:20 PM Central Standard Time, > smoke at snip.net writes: > > << then get a good CDR recorder, a stand-alone professional unit. The best > unit out there for the value is probably the Sony CDRW-33 and -66 ( I > strongly prefer the -66). they both will let you copy your favorite records > and tapes to CD (through your pre-amp's tape loop) > using Sony's super bit mapping process which is probably going to give you > about the best result you can get in copying analog media to CD. >> > > Hi John, > > I understand the Fostex CR-300 stand alone unit is reported to be the best > available? Are you familiar with this unit? > > In addition, if you're going to move in the direction of a stand-alone unit, > why not use the Alesis MasterLink ML-9600? The Alesis unit allows you to > record at 24bits/96Khz, and then simply "dump" the higher standard digital > recording to your cassette tapes. Moreover, you'd keep your CD "master" for > enjoying playback at home. Any thoughts from any NakTalkers on these options > are welcomed. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 30 03:05:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:05:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of B&O turntables Message-ID: <123c01c160e7$51c10280$203442cf@sank1> Seems that the crappy old B&O 4004 turntable is a whole lot more valuable than any of us thought: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1291203416 I'll try to stop laughing now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Oct 30 03:26:37 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:26:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: <20011029.212638.-168945.6.josephj69@juno.com> Jim & John, Thanks for your thoughful reponses to my question. I hope to clarify some of your questions all at once in this message. First, as far as I can tell, my 2001 system has a standard 5 channel amplifier with a total of 200 watts. I assme that's 40 watts/ channel, or maybe more for the subwoofer. Unlike my 98 car, I'm told the 2001 has a standard amp & speaker setup. One of the guys at Crutchfield told me the 98 had speakers that were specially EQ-ed to the amp. You could not replace one without the other. I think this was in the speaker and amp design itself, not merely in the crossovers. I'm not really sure, as I didn't get too many details. At any rate, I'm told I can upgrade my speakers and not worry about the amp. As for John's theory about the cassette head unit, this is not the case at all. I have not even tried a cassette in the car. Everything else (radio and CD) sounds like total crap. Dull, lifeless, two dimensional - no frequency extremes, no detail, no nothing. Total BLAH. Complete and utter opposite of my 98. I doubt the head unit is at fault in any way. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's identical to the 98 head unit with the buttons shifted around. Note that I'm not expecting high fidelity sound in a car, just something listenable. The difference is that, much to my surprise, I actually ENJOYED listening to CDs in my car with the 98. With the 2001, however, I find them totally insufferable. I now listen to talk radio almost exclusively as a result (sad, I know). My plan was to replace just the front pair of speakers with something decent. Someone else here suggested buying a complete set of speakers and the amp taken from a wrecked 98 at a junkyard. That sounds like a good idea, but I'm not sure of the cost or availability of such parts. John's idea of getting the cheapest set of ADS component speakers with the 6.5" driver sounds like a good one. I think that would be the model 236is, at a cost of about $250. They come with their own crossovers. Does this sound right? What do you guys think - salvaged 98 Nissan system, or one pair of ADS speakers? Any other ideas? - Joe On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:43:25 -0500 "John M. Smokevitch" writes: > Dear Joe and Stan, your posts were interesting because the car on > which I'm doing my research for, and planning to install an > "ultimate" car audio system is a 2000 Nissan Maxima Se with the > factory Bose upgrade. (see my previous posts to NakTalk.) > > I kind of suspect your problem is more in the head unit electronics > of the Bose system than in the speakers themselves. Reason: the > Bose CD player doesn't sound too bad, actually is OK for standard > car stereo upgrades but the tape player sucks when it comes to > playing tapes made on my home Nak decks (currently a Dragon and > previously a CR-7a, and a 700ZXL) Yet these tapes sounded > beautiful and so alive when played through my TD1200II in my > previous car (a 99 Honda Accord EX V-6 with a Nak-a/d/s-OZ system > installed). Accordingly, I suspect that while CD's may sound OK, > your previously recorded tapes (probably recorded on a NAK deck) > don't. If you want to get the tapes sounding right and if you make > your own compilations on tape (e.g., mellow Jazz, dynamite female > vocals, your favorite cuts of favorite artists, etc.) upgrading the > speakers isn't going to do it. The inescapable fact is that tapes > carefully-made on you lovingly cared-for home NAK deck just aren't > going to sound good on the Bose's tape player (which among other > faults only has Dolby B). > > Solutions are probably two-fold: If you think the CD player in the > Bose is good enough (I don't, I think it is only OK), then get a > good CDR recorder, a stand-alone professional unit. The best unit > out there for the value is probably the Sony CDRW-33 and -66 ( I > strongly prefer the -66). they both will let you copy your favorite > records and tapes to CD (through your pre-amp's tape loop) > using Sony's super bit mapping process which is probably going to > give you about the best result you can get in copying analog media to > CD. With both you can also make copies of your CD's so that you > have one for your home system and one for the car. The W-66 has > balanced inputs and outputs both for balanced hookup to you home > system and for taking the digital out directly from your CD > player or transport in AES/EBU. (the -33 has only RCA's for your > home system hookup and only coaxial digital for taking the digital > signal from your CD player or transport). both have sony's latest > 24bit DACs but only the -66 applies super bit mapping to your > digital in (through the AES/EBU input). > > While that solution will work. I's expensive, and it doesn't solve > the problem of what to do with your current library of cassette > tapes. Furthermore, as mentioned above, I don't think the CD player > in the Bose system is worth the expense and investment. > > As mentioned in my earlier posts, I think the ideal solution is a > double DIN installation with a high quality CD only head unit, > either the Nak MB-100 or the CD-700, and then a Nak TD1200II) or > TD700 running directly into the AUX input on the Nak CD only head > unit. Then you can have both your tapes and your CD's played back > with about the best quality possible in your car. Incidentally > most factory upgraded audio systems which have both CD and tape play > back are double DIN installations so It's easy to install my > ultimate system. Plus make sure you save the factory unit you took > out, so that when you sell your car you can have your installer take > out your ultimate system and reinstall the factory system. (For > example, my Nak TD1200II has been in a BMW 535i, an AUDI 5000 > turbo, a Mazda RX-7 Turbo and the aforementioned Honda Accord and is > now awaiting the double DIN installation into my 2000 Nissan Maxima > SE.) > > If you only have room for one head unit, then go for a Nak MB-100 or > CD-700 and use the Sony CDRW-66 to make duplicate copies of your > CD's and compilation copies of your analog sources, though analog > copies made through your home Nak deck and played back in a Nak > TD1200II in your car will probably still sound better than the > "compilation" CD's of the same analog sources. > > As far as trying to replace the Bose speakers, get the cheapest > a/d/s speakers, 335 or 336 is's for the front and 235 or 335 im's > for the rear fill. It's a little known secret that most of the > a/d/s speaker drivers are exactly the same as you go up the line, > rather it's their crossovers that improve as you go up their line > (the 335c crossover is a thing of beauty). (That's how a/d/s save > costs by making essentially only one tweeter, one 5-1/4" driver and > one 6-1/2" driver for all their speaker lines.) However, this > probably won't satisfy you because: (1) you still will be using > Bose's crossovers and amps and (2) I suspect your problem is really > in Bose's tape player in their head unit. > > I hope this has been helpful. > > Best regards, > John > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in > case someone else can be of help. > > > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. > Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose > sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the > most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > > > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete > checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." > Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in > the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that > unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT > specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace > the speakers and not the amplifier. > > > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, > so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with > a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a > driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the > ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make > other models like the 346is (or something like that). > > > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the > sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk > radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > > > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > > > - Joe > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 30 11:01:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:01:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Infinity Kappa90 speakers References: <001801c160b2$f5c8b060$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <12f201c16129$ccd74d20$203442cf@sank1> The highest number Kappa's I am familiar with are the old Kappa 9's. The ones that were famous for blowing up Adcom 555's, due to a poorly designed crossover that caused the impedance to drop to about 1/4 ohm at some frequencies. The Nak amps wouldn't blow up, but they would click in & out of protection mode on almost every peak. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Infinity Kappa90 speakers Hello Naktalkers, I've seen Infinity speakers on ebay and i wonder if the Nakamichi PA5 is the good amp to drive these Kappa 90. Maybe Stephan ever heard such a combination? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 30 11:15:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:15:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks won't tell your wife! Message-ID: <130201c1612b$ccb3ada0$203442cf@sank1> Now I know why so many men love Naks!: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1291346320 Nak LX-5 "Discreet Head Tape Deck" Sorry. Couldn't resist! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 15:17:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net ( Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:17:53 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables Message-ID: <20011030141753.29697.qmail@earthlink.net> Hi John, I'm curious how you were able to mount a heavy arm like the Souther on the Oracle table without fouling up the suspension of the table. Jim Volpatti -----Original Message----- From: "John M. Smokevitch" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:13:32 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables > I eventually replaced it with an Oracle Table with the afore-mentioned Souther--so you can see I was hooked on straight line tracking. > Best regards, > John > > Marc Hugo wrote: -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 29 15:48:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:48:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] another nak CD player for those lookin Message-ID: <001401c16088$c008b760$6d289bca@smarzuki> Newer version of nak player with quad burr brown 20bit dac, 3 days to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290155326 Nice sounding and the only model with good dac on newer MB s series. SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 15:46:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net ( Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:46:43 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: <20011030144643.30166.qmail@earthlink.net> Hi Joe, So it sounds like you intend to replace the 6.5" woofers, the tweeters AND the passive crossovers. Just make sure that the speakers you're replacing don't use active crossovers or the new drivers won't work optimally in your car. While I agree with Peter Lufrano that speaker selection is primarily subjuctive, I thought it might be helpful to pass along my personal "short list." First of all, I've yet to hear a metal dome tweeter that I really liked. Focal probably makes the best of these but they're fairly expensive. In your price range I'd listen to CDT, Diamond, a/d/s and Oz. The first two companies offer both metal and fabric dome tweeters so make sure to listen to both. Get out there and listen to as many different speakers as you can and choose what sounds best to you. Beware though that what you hear in the store will sound very different than what you hear in your car. Also, try to audition the speakers with amplifiers roughly similary in power to what you already own so that you can get an relative idea of how loud the speakers will play in your car. Hope this helps! Let us know if you have any other questions. Jim Volpatti -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:26:37 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers > Jim & John, > > > Thanks for your thoughful reponses to my question. I hope to clarify > some of your questions all at once in this message. > > First, as far as I can tell, my 2001 system has a standard 5 channel > amplifier with a total of 200 watts. I assme that's 40 watts/ channel, > or maybe more for the subwoofer. > > Unlike my 98 car, I'm told the 2001 has a standard amp & speaker setup. > One of the guys at Crutchfield told me the 98 had speakers that were > specially EQ-ed to the amp. You could not replace one without the other. > I think this was in the speaker and amp design itself, not merely in the > crossovers. I'm not really sure, as I didn't get too many details. > > At any rate, I'm told I can upgrade my speakers and not worry about the > amp. > > As for John's theory about the cassette head unit, this is not the case > at all. I have not even tried a cassette in the car. Everything else > (radio and CD) sounds like total crap. Dull, lifeless, two dimensional - > no frequency extremes, no detail, no nothing. Total BLAH. Complete and > utter opposite of my 98. I doubt the head unit is at fault in any way. > In fact, I'm pretty sure it's identical to the 98 head unit with the > buttons shifted around. > > Note that I'm not expecting high fidelity sound in a car, just something > listenable. The difference is that, much to my surprise, I actually > ENJOYED listening to CDs in my car with the 98. With the 2001, however, > I find them totally insufferable. I now listen to talk radio almost > exclusively as a result (sad, I know). > > My plan was to replace just the front pair of speakers with something > decent. Someone else here suggested buying a complete set of speakers > and the amp taken from a wrecked 98 at a junkyard. That sounds like a > good idea, but I'm not sure of the cost or availability of such parts. > > John's idea of getting the cheapest set of ADS component speakers with > the 6.5" driver sounds like a good one. I think that would be the model > 236is, at a cost of about $250. They come with their own crossovers. > > Does this sound right? What do you guys think - salvaged 98 Nissan > system, or one pair of ADS speakers? Any other ideas? > > - Joe -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 15:59:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:59:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/2001 6:51:09 PM Central Standard Time, smoke at snip.net writes: << themselves, respectively. I hope this was helpful. Best regards, John >> Hi John, Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it. I guess I wasn't "clear" as I should have been. Re: the 24 bit/96 kHz configuration using the Alesis MasterLink unit - this unit features a HHD, so that you can record to it's HD at 24 bit/96 kHz, and then either enjoy playback of your digital recording at this level, record directly to your cassette tape, or record to CD-R. If you plan on listening to your recording outside of your home, you would record to the redbook standard. Just another option, but thanks again for the information regarding the Sony. I'll keep my "eyes" open for one. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Seems that the crappy old B&O 4004 turntable is a whole lot more valuable > than any of us thought: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1291203416 > > I'll try to stop laughing now. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 30 17:36:10 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:36:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers References: <20011029.212638.-168945.6.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BDED6F8.577724E8@pacbell.net> Two thoughts for your sound dilemma: I have a '98 small (S-10) chevy blazer and the in dash CD player/tuner recently died. Under warranty, the dealer threw a new 1 in. I am amazed at how much better the CD sound quality is compared to the original unit which is exactly the same delco model #. I point this out because you may be experiencing the same wide variance in sound quality from 1 unit to the next. Furthermore, when I was considering a gradual upgrade of the system every dealer said to start out with a new head, rather than a speaker upgrade first; all saying that the dynamic range of stock heads is extremely poor. While, bose may be better than delco (and that is debatable, given the groups general feelings about bose), you might consider, if dash adapters are available, replacing the bose head with something else and storing the bose until you turn in or sell the car. Again, keep in mind that bose is, more or less, very overpriced junk! Brian Stocker Brian Stocker josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Jim & John, > > Thanks for your thoughful reponses to my question. I hope to clarify > some of your questions all at once in this message. > > First, as far as I can tell, my 2001 system has a standard 5 channel > amplifier with a total of 200 watts. I assme that's 40 watts/ channel, > or maybe more for the subwoofer. > > Unlike my 98 car, I'm told the 2001 has a standard amp & speaker setup. > One of the guys at Crutchfield told me the 98 had speakers that were > specially EQ-ed to the amp. You could not replace one without the other. > I think this was in the speaker and amp design itself, not merely in the > crossovers. I'm not really sure, as I didn't get too many details. > > At any rate, I'm told I can upgrade my speakers and not worry about the > amp. > > As for John's theory about the cassette head unit, this is not the case > at all. I have not even tried a cassette in the car. Everything else > (radio and CD) sounds like total crap. Dull, lifeless, two dimensional - > no frequency extremes, no detail, no nothing. Total BLAH. Complete and > utter opposite of my 98. I doubt the head unit is at fault in any way. > In fact, I'm pretty sure it's identical to the 98 head unit with the > buttons shifted around. > > Note that I'm not expecting high fidelity sound in a car, just something > listenable. The difference is that, much to my surprise, I actually > ENJOYED listening to CDs in my car with the 98. With the 2001, however, > I find them totally insufferable. I now listen to talk radio almost > exclusively as a result (sad, I know). > > My plan was to replace just the front pair of speakers with something > decent. Someone else here suggested buying a complete set of speakers > and the amp taken from a wrecked 98 at a junkyard. That sounds like a > good idea, but I'm not sure of the cost or availability of such parts. > > John's idea of getting the cheapest set of ADS component speakers with > the 6.5" driver sounds like a good one. I think that would be the model > 236is, at a cost of about $250. They come with their own crossovers. > > Does this sound right? What do you guys think - salvaged 98 Nissan > system, or one pair of ADS speakers? Any other ideas? > > - Joe > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:43:25 -0500 "John M. Smokevitch" > writes: > > Dear Joe and Stan, your posts were interesting because the car on > > which I'm doing my research for, and planning to install an > > "ultimate" car audio system is a 2000 Nissan Maxima Se with the > > factory Bose upgrade. (see my previous posts to NakTalk.) > > > > I kind of suspect your problem is more in the head unit electronics > > of the Bose system than in the speakers themselves. Reason: the > > Bose CD player doesn't sound too bad, actually is OK for standard > > car stereo upgrades but the tape player sucks when it comes to > > playing tapes made on my home Nak decks (currently a Dragon and > > previously a CR-7a, and a 700ZXL) Yet these tapes sounded > > beautiful and so alive when played through my TD1200II in my > > previous car (a 99 Honda Accord EX V-6 with a Nak-a/d/s-OZ system > > installed). Accordingly, I suspect that while CD's may sound OK, > > your previously recorded tapes (probably recorded on a NAK deck) > > don't. If you want to get the tapes sounding right and if you make > > your own compilations on tape (e.g., mellow Jazz, dynamite female > > vocals, your favorite cuts of favorite artists, etc.) upgrading the > > speakers isn't going to do it. The inescapable fact is that tapes > > carefully-made on you lovingly cared-for home NAK deck just aren't > > going to sound good on the Bose's tape player (which among other > > faults only has Dolby B). > > > > Solutions are probably two-fold: If you think the CD player in the > > Bose is good enough (I don't, I think it is only OK), then get a > > good CDR recorder, a stand-alone professional unit. The best unit > > out there for the value is probably the Sony CDRW-33 and -66 ( I > > strongly prefer the -66). they both will let you copy your favorite > > records and tapes to CD (through your pre-amp's tape loop) > > using Sony's super bit mapping process which is probably going to > > give you about the best result you can get in copying analog media to > > CD. With both you can also make copies of your CD's so that you > > have one for your home system and one for the car. The W-66 has > > balanced inputs and outputs both for balanced hookup to you home > > system and for taking the digital out directly from your CD > > player or transport in AES/EBU. (the -33 has only RCA's for your > > home system hookup and only coaxial digital for taking the digital > > signal from your CD player or transport). both have sony's latest > > 24bit DACs but only the -66 applies super bit mapping to your > > digital in (through the AES/EBU input). > > > > While that solution will work. I's expensive, and it doesn't solve > > the problem of what to do with your current library of cassette > > tapes. Furthermore, as mentioned above, I don't think the CD player > > in the Bose system is worth the expense and investment. > > > > As mentioned in my earlier posts, I think the ideal solution is a > > double DIN installation with a high quality CD only head unit, > > either the Nak MB-100 or the CD-700, and then a Nak TD1200II) or > > TD700 running directly into the AUX input on the Nak CD only head > > unit. Then you can have both your tapes and your CD's played back > > with about the best quality possible in your car. Incidentally > > most factory upgraded audio systems which have both CD and tape play > > back are double DIN installations so It's easy to install my > > ultimate system. Plus make sure you save the factory unit you took > > out, so that when you sell your car you can have your installer take > > out your ultimate system and reinstall the factory system. (For > > example, my Nak TD1200II has been in a BMW 535i, an AUDI 5000 > > turbo, a Mazda RX-7 Turbo and the aforementioned Honda Accord and is > > now awaiting the double DIN installation into my 2000 Nissan Maxima > > SE.) > > > > If you only have room for one head unit, then go for a Nak MB-100 or > > CD-700 and use the Sony CDRW-66 to make duplicate copies of your > > CD's and compilation copies of your analog sources, though analog > > copies made through your home Nak deck and played back in a Nak > > TD1200II in your car will probably still sound better than the > > "compilation" CD's of the same analog sources. > > > > As far as trying to replace the Bose speakers, get the cheapest > > a/d/s speakers, 335 or 336 is's for the front and 235 or 335 im's > > for the rear fill. It's a little known secret that most of the > > a/d/s speaker drivers are exactly the same as you go up the line, > > rather it's their crossovers that improve as you go up their line > > (the 335c crossover is a thing of beauty). (That's how a/d/s save > > costs by making essentially only one tweeter, one 5-1/4" driver and > > one 6-1/2" driver for all their speaker lines.) However, this > > probably won't satisfy you because: (1) you still will be using > > Bose's crossovers and amps and (2) I suspect your problem is really > > in Bose's tape player in their head unit. > > > > I hope this has been helpful. > > > > Best regards, > > John > > > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > This one is mainly for Stephen, but I figured I'd post it here in > > case someone else can be of help. > > > > > > Three weeks ago I traded in my leased 98 Nissan Maxima for a 2001. > > Both cars are identical models, and have the factory "premium" Bose > > sound system. The 98 was surprisingly good, but the 2001 is the > > most godawful piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. > > > > > > I was convinced it was simply defective, but after a complete > > checkup at the dealership today I'm told "they're all like that." > > Apparently, Bose cheaped out starting with the 2000 model. > > > > > > I want to replace the front speakers. There's a 6 3/4" driver in > > the door and a 1" tweeter on the arm pillar. I've learned that > > unlike the older Bose systems, the amplifier in this model is NOT > > specifically EQ-ed to each speaker. So it IS possible to replace > > the speakers and not the amplifier. > > > > > > My question is: what do I buy? Remember that it's a leased car, > > so I want something I can drop in, then remove at trade-in time with > > a minimum of fuss. I guess I can buy any component speaker with a > > driver no larger than 6 3/4". I remember from years ago that the > > ADS brand was considered one of the best - the 320is. They now make > > other models like the 346is (or something like that). > > > > > > Are these any good? What should I do? > > > > > > It infuriates me that I have to do this to a $35k car, but the > > sound right now is so bad that I can only bear to listen to AM talk > > radio. I don't want to spend more than $300 or so. > > > > > > Any tips / advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Oct 30 18:37:26 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:37:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers References: <20011030144643.30166.qmail@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BDEE551.E8391A9F@pacbell.net> I thought I would chime in here with some recent inquiries/replies on metal tweeters: Here is a discussion with Roger Russell, retired Mac speaker designer: Hi Roger. I have xrt18's, are the 22's significantly better or should I shoot for later models with ldhp woofers and aluminum dome tweeters? As always, thank you for your help and invaluable website! Hi Brian: The XRT22's are significantly better. The XRT18 was a compromise to make a smaller system. My advice is do not get the later XRT24, 25 or 26. They have aluminum domes (bad) and tapered columns (worse). These are errors made by management after I left and offset the fact that they have LD/HP drivers. That's my opinion and you should listen before considering buying those later versions. Roger Here is Stephen's thoughtful reply which I hope he does not mind me sharing: The dome is the only air mover. But think about a soft dome moving in/out at 20,000 x per second. That thing ain't gonna keep it's shape. It's gonna have ripples all over the place. This is called diaphragm distortion or diaphragm break-up & it's what generates audio distortion. There are some people that just like soft domes better. I honestly don't get why. There are very few soft domes I can stand. Brian Stocker Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hi Joe, > > So it sounds like you intend to replace the 6.5" woofers, the tweeters AND the passive crossovers. Just make sure that the speakers you're replacing don't use active crossovers or the new drivers won't work optimally in your car. > > While I agree with Peter Lufrano that speaker selection is primarily subjuctive, I thought it might be helpful to pass along my personal "short list." > > First of all, I've yet to hear a metal dome tweeter that I really liked. Focal probably makes the best of these but they're fairly expensive. In your price range I'd listen to CDT, Diamond, a/d/s and Oz. The first two companies offer both metal and fabric dome tweeters so make sure to listen to both. > > Get out there and listen to as many different speakers as you can and choose what sounds best to you. Beware though that what you hear in the store will sound very different than what you hear in your car. Also, try to audition the speakers with amplifiers roughly similary in power to what you already own so that you can get an relative idea of how loud the speakers will play in your car. > > Hope this helps! Let us know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti > > -----Original Message----- > From: josephj69 at juno.com > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:26:37 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: need help w/ car audio speakers > > > Jim & John, > > > > > > Thanks for your thoughful reponses to my question. I hope to clarify > > some of your questions all at once in this message. > > > > First, as far as I can tell, my 2001 system has a standard 5 channel > > amplifier with a total of 200 watts. I assme that's 40 watts/ channel, > > or maybe more for the subwoofer. > > > > Unlike my 98 car, I'm told the 2001 has a standard amp & speaker setup. > > One of the guys at Crutchfield told me the 98 had speakers that were > > specially EQ-ed to the amp. You could not replace one without the other. > > I think this was in the speaker and amp design itself, not merely in the > > crossovers. I'm not really sure, as I didn't get too many details. > > > > At any rate, I'm told I can upgrade my speakers and not worry about the > > amp. > > > > As for John's theory about the cassette head unit, this is not the case > > at all. I have not even tried a cassette in the car. Everything else > > (radio and CD) sounds like total crap. Dull, lifeless, two dimensional - > > no frequency extremes, no detail, no nothing. Total BLAH. Complete and > > utter opposite of my 98. I doubt the head unit is at fault in any way. > > In fact, I'm pretty sure it's identical to the 98 head unit with the > > buttons shifted around. > > > > Note that I'm not expecting high fidelity sound in a car, just something > > listenable. The difference is that, much to my surprise, I actually > > ENJOYED listening to CDs in my car with the 98. With the 2001, however, > > I find them totally insufferable. I now listen to talk radio almost > > exclusively as a result (sad, I know). > > > > My plan was to replace just the front pair of speakers with something > > decent. Someone else here suggested buying a complete set of speakers > > and the amp taken from a wrecked 98 at a junkyard. That sounds like a > > good idea, but I'm not sure of the cost or availability of such parts. > > > > John's idea of getting the cheapest set of ADS component speakers with > > the 6.5" driver sounds like a good one. I think that would be the model > > 236is, at a cost of about $250. They come with their own crossovers. > > > > Does this sound right? What do you guys think - salvaged 98 Nissan > > system, or one pair of ADS speakers? Any other ideas? > > > > - Joe > > -- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Oct 30 19:48:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:48:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <001d01c1609d$ab5fd180$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <135401c16173$7fc5fe60$203442cf@sank1> Both versions are biased identically. The power difference is due to the II model having 25 percent higher supply rail voltages. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > Hi Stephen and nakfellas, > > I read on deja that original PA 7 is higher biased toward class A, therefore > it has less power but sounds better, is that true ? Some also said that it > is pure class A ... also, what is the difference between PA7A and PA7II ? > > Norman, have you done the modification on your amp ? Any audible > differences ? ... and is there any easy way to get into the pcb backside > other than removing the whole block & transistors ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Oct 30 20:14:58 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:14:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <001d01c1609d$ab5fd180$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006601c16177$2bb0e3e0$4eb478d9@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Salim, I have only replaced the resistors and not the capacitors. I have not listened to long before replacement so it is difficult to say, but i found the Nak amp sounds great and that was not my idea before modification. The Nak has much more dept then my Harman/Kardon HK870 Power Amp. Strange enough has the H?K more 'power' in the low tones, but i think that the Nak sounds much more natural. When you remove the top plate you look at the pcb backside. It is possible to remove the resistor by unsoldering and removal with a pincet (i don't know if a pincet is a good english word ??) so you don't have to remove the whole pcb. You must solder very, very carefully because of the weak pcb copper contacts. greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > Hi Stephen and nakfellas, > > I read on deja that original PA 7 is higher biased toward class A, therefore > it has less power but sounds better, is that true ? Some also said that it > is pure class A ... also, what is the difference between PA7A and PA7II ? > > Norman, have you done the modification on your amp ? Any audible > differences ? ... and is there any easy way to get into the pcb backside > other than removing the whole block & transistors ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 30 21:43:50 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:43:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <10aa01c1600b$7633d660$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c16183$94b6c2e0$f39a86d9@a4s1s2> I was playing around with this issue again the other night. First I made a tape of the test tone on the ZX9 onto the Pioneer. The Pioneer suggested the levels were not equal altho' the auto level of the tones on the ZX9 are dead level. Hmmmm ... I then got a test record out with pink noise for Left Channel only, Right Channel only and Left & Right together. I first set the left channel to marker 5 on the ZX9, then the right channel on 5. I then played the Stereo Left & Right. Almost bang on the ZX 9 as it was also on the Pioneer. Duhh .... In the words of the Great Taoist, Pooh Bear, "Bother!" Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 28 October 2001 23:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to adjust these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone source, feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold of solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz tone level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & 202(meter T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the output jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get accurate levels. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > Hi Graham, > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't know > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb output > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked thoroughly ... > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > alignment, here goes. > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test tape > would be: > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer (better in > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output level > on sony, or vice versa. > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, play it > back on your ZX9 > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line output > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there could be > a marked difference. > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the original > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver adjust the > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the other one > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your zx9 > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with easier to > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before proceeding with > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless and > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > settings > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > explained > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > recorded > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her > Sony > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not > easy > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried the > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that I > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. > So, > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing > almost > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on the > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear that > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing the > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that > the > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Oct 30 23:06:09 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:06:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Message-ID: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10. Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 31 02:13:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:13:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <138301c161a9$44eaf260$203442cf@sank1> I've never seen that model, I'm afraid. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10. Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 02:21:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:21:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp In-Reply-To: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: I am wondering the same thing about the earlier ns10...think that is early 80's or late 70's stuff. I came into it for the right price...free..and it works fine. Any suggestions (other than door stop) on how to improve this preamp? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10. Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 31 02:41:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:41:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: Message-ID: <13d401c161ad$1dae8e60$203442cf@sank1> Yes. Put tubes in it! ;-) In a solid state preamp, the first thing I usually attack is the power supply- better rectification, added energy storage, added propylene & styrene bypass caps. Then, I move on to the signal capacitors, wiring & etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > I am wondering the same thing about the earlier ns10...think that is early > 80's or late 70's stuff. I came into it for the right price...free..and it > works fine. > > Any suggestions (other than door stop) on how to improve this preamp? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Norman van Wijnen > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > > > Hello Naktalkers, > > i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10. > Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) > and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also > treshold) > > Norman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Wed Oct 31 03:44:39 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:44:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Straight Line Tracking: The Souther Arm on the Oracle Table References: <20011030141753.29697.qmail@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BDF6597.C48173C6@snip.net> Jim, I got the Oracle after my Revox B-790 and it had a Grace arm (an uni-pivot I believe). I missed the openness or something about the Revox (which was SLT) even though the Oracle was much more immune to external shock and other influences. So after I moved to Philadelphia in 1984, I went to the high end dealer there (Jack Rubinson at Chestnut Hill Audio, now out of business) to get the Oracle re-set up and while there I discussed my preference for SLT with him. He suggested the Souther arm with which he'd had good experience with on the Oracle (Jack carried both). I told him to go ahead and my recollection was that I also got a Spectral DMC 5 from him at about the same time (to replace my Threshold NS-10 with FET mods). My recollection was that the springs in the foot (support) columns on the Oracle had to be replaced with stronger springs re-calibrated for the Souther. the Oracle's record clamp was also replaced with a Souther specific clamp which had an open spot in the center of the screw down knob where it fit over the Oracle's center spindle. Also a hole was drilled in the exact center of the Oracle's center spindle for the center pivot point of the Souther arm. Once the geometry was set up, the arm worked wonderfully with the Oracle for a clean, open, spacious, deep and detailed sound stage. I was using Acoustat 2+2's at the time. The one problem was that the rails on which the cartridge carrier for the Souther rode would tend to get dusty and this would cause the arm to get stuck in a groove when the rails got too dusty. I was living in an apartment in center city Philadelphia at the time and there was nothing you could do about the dust. When I moved to the suburbs and got my own house, it got better but you'd still have to really clean the rails about every 12 months. About 96 or 97, I had a problem with belts for the Oracle and the Souther was sticking much too frequently, so I had it cleaned by Jack (now at Overture) and mounted in a VPI HW-19 Mk III with the tall dust cover, but the sticking problem persisted so I went to the Graham arm (a 1.5tc I believe which I bought from an Overture customer who was upgrading to Graham's new arm) with a Benz Glider and so far I'm pleased and have had no problems. I'd still like to get an SLT arm of the quality of the Graham, but I'm afraid it'd be much too expensive. Hope this overly long-winded recounting has been interesting, Jim. Best regards, John Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm curious how you were able to mount a heavy arm like the Souther on the Oracle table without fouling up the suspension of the table. > > Jim Volpatti > > -----Original Message----- > From: "John M. Smokevitch" > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:13:32 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Bang and Olufsen Turntables > > > I eventually replaced it with an Oracle Table with the afore-mentioned Souther--so you can see I was hooked on straight line tracking. > > > Best regards, > > John > > > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > -- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Wed Oct 31 04:26:43 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:26:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the Threshold NS-10 and SL-10 and they were both very nice preamps for their time (early to late 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for the SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back in the days when he owned Threshold and they were built extremely well. The NS-10 was his flagship pre-amp at the time and my recollection was that Nelson might have been the first to have separate record and source selectors. The NS-10 designation referred to the fact that the pre-amp had a better than 10 nanosecond rise time on square waves, and I believe Nelson also used little or no negative feedback. The low level gain stages might very well have been class A. This was around the time Nelson was inventing the sliding bias Class A technology for his power amps. I also progressed from a 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at this time. (I still think the 400A had the high end's sexiest LED meters ever.) There was also a power take off umbilical for a black box (to be powered by the NS-10) which Nelson designed to be an "active transformer" for use as a step up device for moving coil cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the transformer was the theoretically perfect step up device so he designed his black box to be an active transformer. ( This was before the days of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I guess proved Nelson's theory was right). I no longer have my NS-10, I gave it to my son after I got my first Spectral. When he went off to college, it was stolen, but since he didn't have a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active transformer if any one's interested. At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the Berning hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's when they came out with the DMC 10's. The SL-10, while a later model, was a scaled down version of the NS-10, and used slightly different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it a cascode follower or something like that. I think it had his active transformer circuitry built in (perhaps as an option) but my recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think it only had one tape loop, rather than two as on the NS-10. They both were nice pre-amps and extremely well-built. Nelson used my NS-10 to design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he came out with the FET-10, he made available upgrades for both the SL-10 and the NS-10). (I wanted to throttle my son when I learned that his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an unique pre-amp with a history.) If anyone's interested in Nelson's active transformer moving coil step up device for their NS-10, please contact me off NakTalk. I might even have some product brochures or literature for the NS-10 in my old files. Hope this helps. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the > Treshold preamp SL10.Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen > one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound > with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 06:44:02 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:44:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp In-Reply-To: <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> Message-ID: John, my email is c123666 at earthlink.net and I may be interested in that transformer for the ns10 regards carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Smokevitch Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the Threshold NS-10 and SL-10 and they were both very nice preamps for their time (early to late 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for the SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back in the days when he owned Threshold and they were built extremely well. The NS-10 was his flagship pre-amp at the time and my recollection was that Nelson might have been the first to have separate record and source selectors. The NS-10 designation referred to the fact that the pre-amp had a better than 10 nanosecond rise time on square waves, and I believe Nelson also used little or no negative feedback. The low level gain stages might very well have been class A. This was around the time Nelson was inventing the sliding bias Class A technology for his power amps. I also progressed from a 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at this time. (I still think the 400A had the high end's sexiest LED meters ever.) There was also a power take off umbilical for a black box (to be powered by the NS-10) which Nelson designed to be an "active transformer" for use as a step up device for moving coil cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the transformer was the theoretically perfect step up device so he designed his black box to be an active transformer. ( This was before the days of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I guess proved Nelson's theory was right). I no longer have my NS-10, I gave it to my son after I got my first Spectral. When he went off to college, it was stolen, but since he didn't have a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active transformer if any one's interested. At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the Berning hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's when they came out with the DMC 10's. The SL-10, while a later model, was a scaled down version of the NS-10, and used slightly different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it a cascode follower or something like that. I think it had his active transformer circuitry built in (perhaps as an option) but my recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think it only had one tape loop, rather than two as on the NS-10. They both were nice pre-amps and extremely well-built. Nelson used my NS-10 to design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he came out with the FET-10, he made available upgrades for both the SL-10 and the NS-10). (I wanted to throttle my son when I learned that his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an unique pre-amp with a history.) If anyone's interested in Nelson's active transformer moving coil step up device for their NS-10, please contact me off NakTalk. I might even have some product brochures or literature for the NS-10 in my old files. Hope this helps. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10.Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 06:44:05 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:44:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp In-Reply-To: <13d401c161ad$1dae8e60$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I think I'll wait for the McIntosh c22 I am having rebuilt in the shop right now and keep this antique for backup rather than try to make it sound better. As you said..tubes. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Yes. Put tubes in it! ;-) In a solid state preamp, the first thing I usually attack is the power supply- better rectification, added energy storage, added propylene & styrene bypass caps. Then, I move on to the signal capacitors, wiring & etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > I am wondering the same thing about the earlier ns10...think that is early > 80's or late 70's stuff. I came into it for the right price...free..and it > works fine. > > Any suggestions (other than door stop) on how to improve this preamp? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Norman van Wijnen > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > > > Hello Naktalkers, > > i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10. > Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) > and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also > treshold) > > Norman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Oct 31 06:43:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:13:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Naks com site update Message-ID: <002b01c161ce$e70b01a0$42d60192@vsnl> -----Original Message----- Hello Wouter We are not seeing your postings for a long time for one as well we do not see any new posting appearing on message board? Are you alive and kicking? Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 31 07:36:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:36:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <20011031063655.BKZZ290.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks Stephen, What about PA7A, is that also similar ? Any build or reliability issue of series II ? I'm actually trying to figure out how this built-like-tank amp ever needs servicing ... it seems indestructible. Best regards, Salim SM > Both versions are biased identically. The power difference is due to the II > model having 25 percent higher supply rail voltages. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 31 08:03:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:03:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <20011031070325.NANI1028.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Norman, Thanks for the instructions. I recently got a PA7II which pcb seems to be inseparable from heavy sink without removing all 16 transistor screws or solder ... I don't think I can get to the pcb's backside on installed position ! I'd appreciate if anybody can share mechanical drawing parts and / or bias testpoints. These monsters already sound good in stock form, so I'm really curious about the degree of improvement coming from that tweak. I can sense Stephen would suggest putting tubes on it ... :-) Best regards, Salim SM > Hello Salim, > > I have only replaced the resistors and not the capacitors. I have not > listened to long before replacement so it is difficult to say, but i found > the Nak amp sounds great and that was not my idea before modification. The > Nak has much more dept then my Harman/Kardon HK870 Power Amp. Strange enough > has the H?K more 'power' in the low tones, but i think that the Nak sounds > much more natural. When you remove the top plate you look at the pcb > backside. It is possible to remove the resistor by unsoldering and removal > with a pincet (i don't know if a pincet is a good english word ??) so you > don't have to remove the whole pcb. You must solder very, very carefully > because of the weak pcb copper contacts. > > greetings > > Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 31 08:14:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:14:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <20011031063655.BKZZ290.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <146e01c161db$b6947800$203442cf@sank1> The PA-7 is seriously well protected from damage. Too much so, in fact. I've never actually had to service one, but I always wanted to lighten up the over-current protection whenever I used one. I like to play loud, and if I went a little bit too loud, it would click off for a second or two on every peak. They are seriously bulletproof. I've seen exactly two failures on a PA-7II. Component failures in the driver stages. No specific cause determined. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > Thanks Stephen, > > What about PA7A, is that also similar ? Any build or reliability issue of > series II ? I'm actually trying to figure out how this built-like-tank amp > ever needs servicing ... it seems indestructible. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Both versions are biased identically. The power difference is due to the > II > > model having 25 percent higher supply rail voltages. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 31 08:25:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:25:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <20011031070325.NANI1028.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <148001c161dd$49a68100$203442cf@sank1> The II version requires pulling all of the output transistor mounting screws to work on the boards. Only takes a few minutes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > Hi Norman, > > Thanks for the instructions. I recently got a PA7II which pcb seems to be > inseparable from heavy sink without removing all 16 transistor screws or > solder ... I don't think I can get to the pcb's backside on installed > position ! I'd appreciate if anybody can share mechanical drawing parts and > / or bias testpoints. > > These monsters already sound good in stock form, so I'm really curious about > the degree of improvement coming from that tweak. I can sense Stephen would > suggest putting tubes on it ... :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Hello Salim, > > > > I have only replaced the resistors and not the capacitors. I have not > > listened to long before replacement so it is difficult to say, but i > found > > the Nak amp sounds great and that was not my idea before modification. > The > > Nak has much more dept then my Harman/Kardon HK870 Power Amp. Strange > enough > > has the H?K more 'power' in the low tones, but i think that the Nak > sounds > > much more natural. When you remove the top plate you look at the pcb > > backside. It is possible to remove the resistor by unsoldering and > removal > > with a pincet (i don't know if a pincet is a good english word ??) so > you > > don't have to remove the whole pcb. You must solder very, very carefully > > because of the weak pcb copper contacts. > > > > greetings > > > > Norman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 30 15:49:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:49:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <20011031070325.NANI1028.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <148001c161dd$49a68100$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007d01c1615a$bbc6bf80$7a289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, thanks for the info and mostly for the moral support. :-) BTW I saw one post on aus-hifi newsgroup with PA7 front relay (behind panel) chatters. That's the incoming current surge protector circuit which I unsuccessfully tried to build for bryston ... but now I'm confused that PA7 with such surge protector still brings my house fuse down. Nak uses very large resistor and relay similar to the one on diy schematics. I'm using a 1.5 PK aircon and house fuse is fine for that purpose, however, turn off aircon, PC and lights, flick the amp switch and fuse goes down ... damn ! Well, rotel is fine (does it really have damping factor of 1000 ?? nice blackgate caps too), but pa7 is worth rewiring the fuse box. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > The II version requires pulling all of the output transistor mounting screws > to work on the boards. Only takes a few minutes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 30 16:21:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:21:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks com site update References: <001201c161ce$89508f80$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <007e01c1615a$bfe6a800$7a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Wouter, Could you please tell me how to upload a file / manual to your ftp ... any space left ? Did you receive bx300 manual that I sent some time ago ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: "naktalk" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks com site update > Hello Wouter > We are not seeing your postings for a long time for one as well we do not > see any new posting appearing on message board? > Are you alive and kicking? > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Oct 30 16:49:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:49:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 References: <000701c16183$94b6c2e0$f39a86d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008101c1615a$fe3c4c40$7a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, Stephen or Kannan or Nick might be able to help you better, but seems like you'd be better off checking and adjusting all three - tone, pb level and meter - levels. It's not that complicated and only needs a digital multitester. Do you have the service manual ? I don't have one and never seen the insides of a ZX deck therefore I can't point out which pcb those pots are located. Usually you need to calibrate / adjust internal tone's output (in mV) first, next the meter level pots (using internal tone), then the pb level pots using reference tape (or homemade from zx's output in mono and recorded on pioneer). You'll be a bit off but everything should be balanced. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > I was playing around with this issue again the other night. > > First I made a tape of the test tone on the ZX9 onto the Pioneer. The > Pioneer suggested the levels were not equal altho' the auto level of the > tones on the ZX9 are dead level. Hmmmm ... > > I then got a test record out with pink noise for Left Channel only, Right > Channel only and Left & Right together. I first set the left channel to > marker 5 on the ZX9, then the right channel on 5. I then played the Stereo > Left & Right. Almost bang on the ZX 9 as it was also on the Pioneer. Duhh > .... > > In the words of the Great Taoist, Pooh Bear, "Bother!" > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 28 October 2001 23:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to > adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to adjust > these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone source, > feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a > digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold of > solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. > Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz tone > level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top > switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & 202(meter > T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. > Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the output > jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. > > You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get > accurate levels. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't know > > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb output > > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked thoroughly > ... > > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > > alignment, here goes. > > > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test > tape > > would be: > > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer (better > in > > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output > level > > on sony, or vice versa. > > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, play > it > > back on your ZX9 > > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line > output > > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there could > be > > a marked difference. > > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the > original > > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver adjust > the > > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the other > one > > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your zx9 > > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with easier to > > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before proceeding > with > > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless and > > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > > settings > > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > > explained > > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll > > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > > recorded > > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her > > Sony > > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently > > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not > > easy > > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried > the > > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that > I > > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. > > So, > > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing > > almost > > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on > the > > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear > that > > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing > the > > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal > > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that > > the > > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Oct 31 17:00:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:00:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <5b.1dedb733.29117a22@aol.com> In a message dated 10/31/2001 9:52:26 AM Central Standard Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << BTW I saw one post on aus-hifi newsgroup with PA7 front relay (behind panel) chatters. That's the incoming current surge protector circuit which I unsuccessfully tried to build for bryston ... but now I'm confused that PA7 with such surge protector still brings my house fuse down. Nak uses very large resistor and relay similar to the one on diy schematics. >> Interesting. All this talk of the PA7 makes me want to audition one. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 31 17:20:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:20:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <20011031070325.NANI1028.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <148001c161dd$49a68100$203442cf@sank1> <007d01c1615a$bbc6bf80$7a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <151901c16227$fea72ce0$203442cf@sank1> I'd recommend getting the PA-7 powered up by whatever means, and then leaving it on forever. I don't think it idles at much over 100watts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > Stephen, thanks for the info and mostly for the moral support. :-) > > BTW I saw one post on aus-hifi newsgroup with PA7 front relay (behind panel) > chatters. That's the incoming current surge protector circuit which I > unsuccessfully tried to build for bryston ... but now I'm confused that PA7 > with such surge protector still brings my house fuse down. Nak uses very > large resistor and relay similar to the one on diy schematics. > > I'm using a 1.5 PK aircon and house fuse is fine for that purpose, however, > turn off aircon, PC and lights, flick the amp switch and fuse goes down ... > damn ! Well, rotel is fine (does it really have damping factor of 1000 ?? > nice blackgate caps too), but pa7 is worth rewiring the fuse box. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > > > > The II version requires pulling all of the output transistor mounting > screws > > to work on the boards. Only takes a few minutes. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 31 20:29:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:29:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <008101c1615a$fe3c4c40$7a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000701c16242$545f9b80$073387d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Salim Yes, I do have the service manual - Nick kindly sent me an electronic copy. I shall have a close read and see if I dare to get inside that black box ... I'm afraid I'm no electrical engineer (tho' I wish I were) and have thus far done nothing more clever than solder RCAs onto cable! (All the other "clever" mods I've done to speakers, TT and DAC were generally physical tweaks that even a monkey could have done ... if he'd thought of it!) Cheers buddy, Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 October 2001 15:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 Hi Graham, Stephen or Kannan or Nick might be able to help you better, but seems like you'd be better off checking and adjusting all three - tone, pb level and meter - levels. It's not that complicated and only needs a digital multitester. Do you have the service manual ? I don't have one and never seen the insides of a ZX deck therefore I can't point out which pcb those pots are located. Usually you need to calibrate / adjust internal tone's output (in mV) first, next the meter level pots (using internal tone), then the pb level pots using reference tape (or homemade from zx's output in mono and recorded on pioneer). You'll be a bit off but everything should be balanced. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > I was playing around with this issue again the other night. > > First I made a tape of the test tone on the ZX9 onto the Pioneer. The > Pioneer suggested the levels were not equal altho' the auto level of the > tones on the ZX9 are dead level. Hmmmm ... > > I then got a test record out with pink noise for Left Channel only, Right > Channel only and Left & Right together. I first set the left channel to > marker 5 on the ZX9, then the right channel on 5. I then played the Stereo > Left & Right. Almost bang on the ZX 9 as it was also on the Pioneer. Duhh > .... > > In the words of the Great Taoist, Pooh Bear, "Bother!" > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 28 October 2001 23:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to > adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to adjust > these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone source, > feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a > digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold of > solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. > Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz tone > level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top > switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & 202(meter > T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. > Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the output > jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. > > You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get > accurate levels. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't know > > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb output > > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked thoroughly > ... > > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > > alignment, here goes. > > > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test > tape > > would be: > > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer (better > in > > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output > level > > on sony, or vice versa. > > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, play > it > > back on your ZX9 > > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line > output > > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there could > be > > a marked difference. > > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the > original > > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver adjust > the > > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the other > one > > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your zx9 > > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with easier to > > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before proceeding > with > > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless and > > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > > settings > > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > > explained > > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, you'll > > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > > recorded > > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on her > > Sony > > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing consistently > > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was not > > easy > > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I tried > the > > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference that > I > > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the other. > > So, > > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs flashing > > almost > > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel on > the > > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one ear > that > > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, pointing > the > > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible equal > > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) that > > the > > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 31 21:01:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:01:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 References: <000701c16242$545f9b80$073387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004601c16246$d9d2fb00$5d299bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, I'm not an EE and did quite some embarassing stuff myself, just last night burned a 4559 op amp ... plugged in wrong direction. Last year I didn't even dare opening up my CR4 cover and previously I already messed the head alignment badly - even a monkey would leave that alignment alone. :-) It would be safer if you use plastic alignment screws / plastic trimmer so you won't accidentally short anything close to trimpots. Remember to note original positions. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > Thanks Salim > > Yes, I do have the service manual - Nick kindly sent me an electronic copy. > I shall have a close read and see if I dare to get inside that black box ... > I'm afraid I'm no electrical engineer (tho' I wish I were) and have thus far > done nothing more clever than solder RCAs onto cable! (All the other > "clever" mods I've done to speakers, TT and DAC were generally physical > tweaks that even a monkey could have done ... if he'd thought of it!) > > Cheers buddy, > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 31 21:40:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:40:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps References: Message-ID: <004b01c1624c$40b62540$5d299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stan, I used to think that preamps sound similar, but after some experiments I noticed one preamp can sound 'cleaner' and another, amazingly, can increase 'soundstage'. Maybe it was better matched with the power amp. Unbelievably, my tin ears prefer onkyo 306 integra preamp than ca7 ... but nak is more quiet and I can always use that remote :-) Anyway, I tried switching amps yesterday and really have to say that nak stasis sounds special compared to rotel and bryston ... highs are smooth but details are still there. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps > I think it is important to allign the power amp with the right pre-amp. I > initially had Nakamichi TA-2 receiver. Then, I added Adcom 5500 power amp. I > used the TA-2 as its pre-amp. The sound was very good, and you could tell > there was more juice coming out of this set-up. Then, I bought Adcom's 565 > pre-amp. There, right away, was a tremendous difference between the detail > and quality of sound between the 565/5500 setup and the former TA-2/5500 > setup. I assume that CA7 is more in the 565 class. > > I did some additional tests. My friend had a pair of 565 mono-blocks, and HK > Citation pre-amp. I think model 25 or something like that. Replacing the HK > unit with my 565 added more detail to the sound. It is hard to describe, but > the sound was enough better. (The 565's were driving huge and in-efficient > Mirage M1 speakers, and we used SONY XA50ES CD player.) > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-11.txt ************************************************************************ From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Thu Nov 1 00:19:08 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:19:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> Message-ID: <003c01c16262$714eef00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> John, Thank you very much for your reaction. Maybe the SL10 is to old to go for it in ? Do you know what the best used preamp for value will be? (not to extreem prices) Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the Threshold NS-10 and SL-10 and they were both very nice preamps for their time (early to late 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for the SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back in the days when he owned Threshold and they were built extremely well. The NS-10 was his flagship pre-amp at the time and my recollection was that Nelson might have been the first to have separate record and source selectors. The NS-10 designation referred to the fact that the pre-amp had a better than 10 nanosecond rise time on square waves, and I believe Nelson also used little or no negative feedback. The low level gain stages might very well have been class A. This was around the time Nelson was inventing the sliding bias Class A technology for his power amps. I also progressed from a 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at this time. (I still think the 400A had the high end's sexiest LED meters ever.) There was also a power take off umbilical for a black box (to be powered by the NS-10) which Nelson designed to be an "active transformer" for use as a step up device for moving coil cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the transformer was the theoretically perfect step up device so he designed his black box to be an active transformer. ( This was before the days of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I guess proved Nelson's theory was right). I no longer have my NS-10, I gave it to my son after I got my first Spectral. When he went off to college, it was stolen, but since he didn't have a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active transformer if any one's interested. At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the Berning hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's when they came out with the DMC 10's. The SL-10, while a later model, was a scaled down version of the NS-10, and used slightly different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it a cascode follower or something like that. I think it had his active transformer circuitry built in (perhaps as an option) but my recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think it only had one tape loop, rather than two as on the NS-10. They both were nice pre-amps and extremely well-built. Nelson used my NS-10 to design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he came out with the FET-10, he made available upgrades for both the SL-10 and the NS-10). (I wanted to throttle my son when I learned that his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an unique pre-amp with a history.) If anyone's interested in Nelson's active transformer moving coil step up device for their NS-10, please contact me off NakTalk. I might even have some product brochures or literature for the NS-10 in my old files. Hope this helps. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10.Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold) Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Nov 1 11:53:15 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:53:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5869@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Gra', believe me, you don't have to be an engineer to adjust some trimpots. What you do primarily need is as follows (no priorities - everything is absolutely necessary): 1. Phillips (maybe even power-, if the screws are "stuck") screwdriver to remove the upper cover (4 screws) 2. Very narrow (~1 mm) flat screwdriver (PREFERABLY with an insulated almost down to the tip shank) to conveniently adjust the trimpots of your ZX-9 3. Ideally, a dedicated AC-Millivoltmeter with dB scale OR some universal Multimeter capable of measuring AC voltage down to 1mV --ATTENTION!-- Pay some special attention to insulation of the probe tips - to significantly reduce the probability of accident short-circuiting anything on the dip-side of PCB's, only the VERY TIP of the probes shall be visible. 4. Service Manual 5. Patience 6. Accuracy Sorry, if you knew all this without me - just wanted to be on the safe side... I rummaged my own ZX-7 (which is an almost exact copy of your ZX-9) up and down several times - so, I'll be glad to support you with an advice or something in your venture. Naturally, if there's need for any... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > Thanks Salim > > Yes, I do have the service manual - Nick kindly sent me an electronic > copy. > I shall have a close read and see if I dare to get inside that black box > ... > I'm afraid I'm no electrical engineer (tho' I wish I were) and have thus > far > done nothing more clever than solder RCAs onto cable! (All the other > "clever" mods I've done to speakers, TT and DAC were generally physical > tweaks that even a monkey could have done ... if he'd thought of it!) > > Cheers buddy, > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 30 October 2001 15:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > Hi Graham, > > Stephen or Kannan or Nick might be able to help you better, but seems like > you'd be better off checking and adjusting all three - tone, pb level and > meter - levels. It's not that complicated and only needs a digital > multitester. Do you have the service manual ? I don't have one and never > seen the insides of a ZX deck therefore I can't point out which pcb those > pots are located. > > Usually you need to calibrate / adjust internal tone's output (in mV) > first, > next the meter level pots (using internal tone), then the pb level pots > using reference tape (or homemade from zx's output in mono and recorded on > pioneer). You'll be a bit off but everything should be balanced. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:43 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > I was playing around with this issue again the other night. > > > > First I made a tape of the test tone on the ZX9 onto the Pioneer. The > > Pioneer suggested the levels were not equal altho' the auto level of the > > tones on the ZX9 are dead level. Hmmmm ... > > > > I then got a test record out with pink noise for Left Channel only, > Right > > Channel only and Left & Right together. I first set the left channel to > > marker 5 on the ZX9, then the right channel on 5. I then played the > Stereo > > Left & Right. Almost bang on the ZX 9 as it was also on the Pioneer. > Duhh > > .... > > > > In the words of the Great Taoist, Pooh Bear, "Bother!" > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 28 October 2001 23:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to > > adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to > adjust > > these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone > source, > > feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a > > digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold > of > > solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. > > Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz > tone > > level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top > > switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & > 202(meter > > T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. > > Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the > output > > jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. > > > > You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get > > accurate levels. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't > know > > > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb > output > > > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked > thoroughly > > ... > > > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > > > alignment, here goes. > > > > > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test > > tape > > > would be: > > > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer > (better > > in > > > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output > > level > > > on sony, or vice versa. > > > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, > play > > it > > > back on your ZX9 > > > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line > > output > > > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there > could > > be > > > a marked difference. > > > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > > > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the > > original > > > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > > > > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver > adjust > > the > > > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the > other > > one > > > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your > zx9 > > > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > > > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > > > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > > > > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with > easier > to > > > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before > proceeding > > with > > > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless > and > > > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > > > settings > > > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > > > explained > > > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, > you'll > > > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > > > recorded > > > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on > her > > > Sony > > > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing > consistently > > > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was > not > > > easy > > > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I > tried > > the > > > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference > that > > I > > > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the > other. > > > So, > > > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs > flashing > > > almost > > > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel > on > > the > > > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one > ear > > that > > > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, > pointing > > the > > > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible > equal > > > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) > that > > > the > > > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Nov 1 12:20:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:20:00 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F586A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Oh, I forgot to mention, that you will have to 1a. remove the bottom cover too (6 screws) and 7. get a *known accurate*, maybe sort of improvised level tape, i.e. the one that contains some *steady sate* 0dB recording (be it just 400Hz or 1kHz sine, or some really *dense* music able to hold the level meters quasi-stationary) Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > Thanks Salim > > Yes, I do have the service manual - Nick kindly sent me an electronic > copy. > I shall have a close read and see if I dare to get inside that black box > ... > I'm afraid I'm no electrical engineer (tho' I wish I were) and have thus > far > done nothing more clever than solder RCAs onto cable! (All the other > "clever" mods I've done to speakers, TT and DAC were generally physical > tweaks that even a monkey could have done ... if he'd thought of it!) > > Cheers buddy, > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 30 October 2001 15:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > Hi Graham, > > Stephen or Kannan or Nick might be able to help you better, but seems like > you'd be better off checking and adjusting all three - tone, pb level and > meter - levels. It's not that complicated and only needs a digital > multitester. Do you have the service manual ? I don't have one and never > seen the insides of a ZX deck therefore I can't point out which pcb those > pots are located. > > Usually you need to calibrate / adjust internal tone's output (in mV) > first, > next the meter level pots (using internal tone), then the pb level pots > using reference tape (or homemade from zx's output in mono and recorded on > pioneer). You'll be a bit off but everything should be balanced. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:43 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > I was playing around with this issue again the other night. > > > > First I made a tape of the test tone on the ZX9 onto the Pioneer. The > > Pioneer suggested the levels were not equal altho' the auto level of the > > tones on the ZX9 are dead level. Hmmmm ... > > > > I then got a test record out with pink noise for Left Channel only, > Right > > Channel only and Left & Right together. I first set the left channel to > > marker 5 on the ZX9, then the right channel on 5. I then played the > Stereo > > Left & Right. Almost bang on the ZX 9 as it was also on the Pioneer. > Duhh > > .... > > > > In the words of the Great Taoist, Pooh Bear, "Bother!" > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 28 October 2001 23:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > Salim's advice is solid. On the meter adjustments, though, be sure to > > adjust only the L&R "T0" pots, VR101 & 201, for pb. It's better to > adjust > > these from an external tone source, though. So, if you have a tone > source, > > feed it to the inputs & adjust the rec level knobs to get 1.0V AC on a > > digital voltmeter. Then, adjust the T0 pots to just over the threshold > of > > solidly lighting the 0vu LEDs. > > Step 7- Monitor switch to source, 400Hz tone ON. Adjust VR303 400Hz > tone > > level to get 1.0VAC on R ch output jack. Then adjust VR305 on the top > > switch circuit board to get 1.0VAC on L ch. Now, adjust VR102 & > 202(meter > > T1 pots) to just solidly light the 0vu LEDs. > > Step 8- Switch to 15kHz. Adjust VR302 to get 100mV(0.100VAC) on the > output > > jacks. Then, adjust VR103/203 to just solidly light the 0VU LEDs. > > > > You should now be able to do the user level & bias calibration & get > > accurate levels. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > IF heads / mechanical alignments are almost perfect - frankly I don't > know > > > how we can easily determine this - looks like you need a slight pb > output > > > and / or meter calibration. Better to have your deck checked > thoroughly > > ... > > > but if you're in to start an adventure that could mess any original > > > alignment, here goes. > > > > > > An ad hoc solution to adjust levels before you have a genuine nak test > > tape > > > would be: > > > 1. record 400 hz tone at 0 dB from test tone / PC on your pioneer > (better > > in > > > monaural - using Y connector) and check for balanced / similar output > > level > > > on sony, or vice versa. > > > 2. once you have a homemade 400hz 'test tape' with balanced output, > play > > it > > > back on your ZX9 > > > 3. connect a multitester (preferably a digital one) between rca line > > output > > > and chassis. Get readings of each L & R ch in AC 1V range, there > could > > be > > > a marked difference. > > > 4. turn zx off, open cover, try to locate trimpots with "pb level" and > > > "meter level" L & R markings. Write / draw on a piece of paper the > > original > > > pot sweeper positions, to undo possible mistakes ! > > > > > > 5. play again the 'test tape' and using plastic mini screwdriver > adjust > > the > > > "pb level" imbalance channel trimpot to get that channel match the > other > > one > > > *based on multitester reading* ! Don't look at level meter yet. Your > zx9 > > > should have an output reading of approx. 1V AC at 0dB recording. > > > 6. Once you have balanced L & R output voltage readings, adjust "meter > > > level" trimpots for balanced 0 dB reading. You're done ! > > > > > > I'm sure somebody (who actually has a zx deck) will come up with > easier > to > > > follow procedure. :-) Wait for the experts opinion before > proceeding > > with > > > steps 5 & 6, getting multitester readings from test tone is harmless > and > > > much easier than checking speaker's output. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:34 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] My ZX-9 > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I found the recording level > > > settings > > > > didn't correspond with the LED meters and some of you guys kindly > > > explained > > > > that this was not usual, that I should trust the meters. Well, > you'll > > > > recall that I'm deaf in one ear and don't always immediately notice > > > > differences between channels. However, I took a few tapes that I'd > > > recorded > > > > on the ZX9 back to my Mum's home the other week and played them on > her > > > Sony > > > > deck. I was surprised to see that one channel was showing > consistently > > > > higher levels than the other. In the acoustic of her house it was > not > > > easy > > > > for me to hear if there was a difference. So, on coming home I > tried > > the > > > > same tapes out on the Pioneer. Sure enough, same visual difference > that > > I > > > > saw on the Sony, with one channel showing higher levels than the > other. > > > So, > > > > I recorded some mono broadcasts on the ZX9, getting the LEDs > flashing > > > almost > > > > identically up and down the scale. They did not run so in parallel > on > > the > > > > Pioneer! I then tried listening. Now, given I only have the one > ear > > that > > > > can be difficult. I requires shuffling up and down the room, > pointing > > the > > > > one ear towards the speakers whilst standing as near as possible > equal > > > > distance from each speaker. Yep! My ear tells me the Nak really is > > > > recording at different levels to that which a) the knobs say and b) > that > > > the > > > > meters say! Is there an easy cure?! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Nov 1 20:16:01 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:16:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps In-Reply-To: <001901c15e43$baf4a6e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: I think it is important to allign the power amp with the right pre-amp. I initially had Nakamichi TA-2 receiver. Then, I added Adcom 5500 power amp. I used the TA-2 as its pre-amp. The sound was very good, and you could tell there was more juice coming out of this set-up. Then, I bought Adcom's 565 pre-amp. There, right away, was a tremendous difference between the detail and quality of sound between the 565/5500 setup and the former TA-2/5500 setup. I assume that CA7 is more in the 565 class. I did some additional tests. My friend had a pair of 565 mono-blocks, and HK Citation pre-amp. I think model 25 or something like that. Replacing the HK unit with my 565 added more detail to the sound. It is hard to describe, but the sound was enough better. (The 565's were driving huge and in-efficient Mirage M1 speakers, and we used SONY XA50ES CD player.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Fri, October 26, 2001 12:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Another OT - adcom 55x vs rotel 990 amps Hi guys, Has anybody ever compared these two amps ? Adcom's 55x (555 or 5502) spec & price is almost similar to Rotel RB990 BX. I use lower model amps from both brands and could not hear the difference (liked em both). Given that I would not be able to (again) hear the difference between the more powerful models, I would appreciate input from nakfellas regarding sound and build qualities (any specific weakness etc). I kind of liked rotel's long time to fade out once the amp is turned off, but I understand that can be unrelated to sound qualty. It will be placed between dreadful CA7 and kef 104.2 speakers. Thanks in advance, Salim SM PS: or maybe acurus A250 is even better ? :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Nov 2 17:27:09 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:27:09 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] NR200 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5872@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi Stephen and all, I've got a NR200, the Dolby C part of which doesn't seem to work properly to me (B is OK!), namely, it provides way too excessive roll-off at the higher end (~ -5 dB at 20K). What's much more amusing is the fact, that this roll-off is more severe with metal tapes than with normal ones. My NR200 is hooked up to the Dragon, which at 0dB and with NR switched to OFF has almost ideally flat FR's with any tape. Any thoughts to the issue? Thanks Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 2 18:00:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:00:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NR200 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5872@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <17cf01c163bf$ee8e6fa0$203442cf@sank1> That's a new one on me. I'd say "orange cap disease", but that you seem to be saying it is in both channels equally. Perhaps there is a transistor(or an orange cap near it) that does chip mode switching between B,C & off that isn't working. That's about the best guess I can make at the moment. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] NR200 > Hi Stephen and all, > > I've got a NR200, the Dolby C part of which doesn't seem to work properly to > me (B is OK!), namely, it provides way too excessive roll-off at the higher > end (~ -5 dB at 20K). What's much more amusing is the fact, that this > roll-off is more severe with metal tapes than with normal ones. My NR200 is > hooked up to the Dragon, which at 0dB and with NR switched to OFF has almost > ideally flat FR's with any tape. > > Any thoughts to the issue? > > Thanks > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Fri Nov 2 21:16:01 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:16:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> <003c01c16262$714eef00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <3BE2FF01.9223F462@snip.net> Norm, don't underestimate the SL-10 just because it's old. It's like the Spectral pre-amps where they have an all-out pre-amp, the DMC-20, and a stripped down version with less switching but almost the same sound, the DMC-12, which I currently have. the SL-10 was a stripped version of the NS-10 but since it was a later design, it incorporated some ideas which later appeared in Dr. Pass' FET-1. Plus it was built to aerospace standards, so there's no reason it shouldn't perform as well today as it did when new. Finally it can be upgraded. Here are two links to sites maintained by Vintage Amp Repair who specializes in the repair and upgrade of Threshold products. The first will give you a history with pictures of the Threshold products over time. and the second is their home page. While I've never dealt with them, you may want to call to see what they can tell you about the SL-10, and if you were able to get it cheaply enough, what an upgrade would cost and what it would do for you. My point is that if you can get the pre-amp cheap say $100 or so, you'll have a pre-amp that's probably still better than 90-95 percent of what is out there today and the cheapest product available today that would beat it significantly is probably the current top of the line Adcom pre-amp, which I think (but don't hold me this) is probably approaching $900-$1,000. http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/archiveamps.htm http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/default.htm Any way, I hope this has been helpful. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: > John, Thank you very much for your reaction. Maybe the SL10 is to old > to go for it in ?Do you know what the best used preamp for value will > be? (not to extreem prices) Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:John M. Smokevitch > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the Threshold NS-10 and > SL-10 and they were both very nice preamps for their time > (early to late 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for > the SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back in the > days when he owned Threshold and they were built extremely > well. The NS-10 was his flagship pre-amp at the time and my > recollection was that Nelson might have been the first to > have separate record and source selectors. The NS-10 > designation referred to the fact that the pre-amp had a > better than 10 nanosecond rise time on square waves, and I > believe Nelson also used little or no negative feedback. > The low level gain stages might very well have been class > A. This was around the time Nelson was inventing the > sliding bias Class A technology for his power amps. I also > progressed from a 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at > this time. (I still think the 400A had the high end's > sexiest LED meters ever.) > > There was also a power take off umbilical for a black box > (to be powered by the NS-10) which Nelson designed to be an > "active transformer" for use as a step up device for moving > coil cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the transformer was > the theoretically perfect step up device so he designed his > black box to be an active transformer. ( This was before the > days of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I guess > proved Nelson's theory was right). I no longer have my > NS-10, I gave it to my son after I got my first Spectral. > When he went off to college, it was stolen, but since he > didn't have a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active > transformer if any one's interested. > > At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the Berning > hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's when they came out > with the DMC 10's. The SL-10, while a later model, was a > scaled down version of the NS-10, and used slightly > different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it a cascode > follower or something like that. I think it had his active > transformer circuitry built in (perhaps as an option) but my > recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think it only had > one tape loop, rather than two as on the NS-10. They both > were nice pre-amps and extremely well-built. Nelson used my > NS-10 to design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he came > out with the FET-10, he made available upgrades for both the > SL-10 and the NS-10). (I wanted to throttle my son when I > learned that his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an > unique pre-amp with a history.) > > If anyone's interested in Nelson's active transformer moving > coil step up device for their NS-10, please contact me off > NakTalk. I might even have some product brochures or > literature for the NS-10 in my old files. > > Hope this helps. > > Best regards, > John > > Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows > > someting about the Treshold preamp SL10.Is this a good > > Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay > > (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound > > with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold)Norman > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Nov 2 21:29:21 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:29:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Pioneer Message-ID: What do you all think of the following two players as to which is better - the Nak CD Player 2 against the Pioneer PD91. Any comments form Stephen Sank? Is the Pioneer transport better than the OEM Sony in the CD Player 2? Any comments most welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Fri Nov 2 21:48:08 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:48:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> <003c01c16262$714eef00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE2FF01.9223F462@snip.net> Message-ID: <001801c163df$adadf440$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello John, well it sounds interesting that's for sure but the buyer want 350 dollar for it. What do you think? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Norm, don't underestimate the SL-10 just because it's old. It's like the Spectral pre-amps where they have an all-out pre-amp, the DMC-20, and a stripped down version with less switching but almost the same sound, the DMC-12, which I currently have. the SL-10 was a stripped version of the NS-10 but since it was a later design, it incorporated some ideas which later appeared in Dr. Pass' FET-1. Plus it was built to aerospace standards, so there's no reason it shouldn't perform as well today as it did when new. Finally it can be upgraded. Here are two links to sites maintained by Vintage Amp Repair who specializes in the repair and upgrade of Threshold products. The first will give you a history with pictures of the Threshold products over time. and the second is their home page. While I've never dealt with them, you may want to call to see what they can tell you about the SL-10, and if you were able to get it cheaply enough, what an upgrade would cost and what it would do for you. My point is that if you can get the pre-amp cheap say $100 or so, you'll have a pre-amp that's probably still better than 90-95 percent of what is out there today and the cheapest product available today that would beat it significantly is probably the current top of the line Adcom pre-amp, which I think (but don't hold me this) is probably approaching $900-$1,000. http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/archiveamps.htm http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/default.htm Any way, I hope this has been helpful. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: John, Thank you very much for your reaction. Maybe the SL10 is to old to go for it in ?Do you know what the best used preamp for value will be? (not to extreem prices) Norman ----- Original Message ----- From:John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the Threshold NS-10 and SL-10 and they were both very nice preamps for their time (early to late 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for the SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back in the days when he owned Threshold and they were built extremely well. The NS-10 was his flagship pre-amp at the time and my recollection was that Nelson might have been the first to have separate record and source selectors. The NS-10 designation referred to the fact that the pre-amp had a better than 10 nanosecond rise time on square waves, and I believe Nelson also used little or no negative feedback. The low level gain stages might very well have been class A. This was around the time Nelson was inventing the sliding bias Class A technology for his power amps. I also progressed from a 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at this time. (I still think the 400A had the high end's sexiest LED meters ever.) There was also a power take off umbilical for a black box (to be powered by the NS-10) which Nelson designed to be an "active transformer" for use as a step up device for moving coil cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the transformer was the theoretically perfect step up device so he designed his black box to be an active transformer. ( This was before the days of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I guess proved Nelson's theory was right). I no longer have my NS-10, I gave it to my son after I got my first Spectral. When he went off to college, it was stolen, but since he didn't have a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active transformer if any one's interested. At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the Berning hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's when they came out with the DMC 10's. The SL-10, while a later model, was a scaled down version of the NS-10, and used slightly different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it a cascode follower or something like that. I think it had his active transformer circuitry built in (perhaps as an option) but my recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think it only had one tape loop, rather than two as on the NS-10. They both were nice pre-amps and extremely well-built. Nelson used my NS-10 to design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he came out with the FET-10, he made available upgrades for both the SL-10 and the NS-10). (I wanted to throttle my son when I learned that his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an unique pre-amp with a history.) If anyone's interested in Nelson's active transformer moving coil step up device for their NS-10, please contact me off NakTalk. I might even have some product brochures or literature for the NS-10 in my old files. Hope this helps. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he knows someting about the Treshold preamp SL10.Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i wonder how this machine would sound with my Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold)Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Fri Nov 2 22:05:25 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:05:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp References: <000c01c1618f$149c74e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BDF6F73.1CE4181A@snip.net> <003c01c16262$714eef00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE2FF01.9223F462@snip.net> <001801c163df$adadf440$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <3BE30A95.65C162FC@snip.net> I think that's too high, because you'd be adding the cost of an upgrade and shipping both ways and then you'd be close to what you could buy something for new today or for a more recent used item. For example, look for a used Spectral DMC -10 (the latest version if possible) or a DMC-12 (which is the baby brother of the DMC-20). Or talk to Stephen off-NakTalk for what his pre-amp would cost you. There's also a recent AdCom with a phono stage (sorry I don't remember the model number) which supposedly was quite good. I have an Audio Research SP-14 with a phono stage and two tape loops which I'd probably let go for $1,200 or so. (I went form my Spectral DMC-6 to it, and about three years ago, I went from it to my Spectral DMC-12). Jim Volpatti also might have some much more current ideas than I , because he's in the business and so is much more in touch with what's available out there. Hope this helps. Best regards, John Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hello John, well it sounds interesting that's for sure but the buyer > want 350 dollar for it.What do you think? Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Smokevitch > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 Preamp > Norm, don't underestimate the SL-10 just because it's old. > It's like the Spectral pre-amps where they have an all-out > pre-amp, the DMC-20, and a stripped down version with less > switching but almost the same sound, the DMC-12, which I > currently have. the SL-10 was a stripped version of the > NS-10 but since it was a later design, it incorporated some > ideas which later appeared in Dr. Pass' FET-1. Plus it was > built to aerospace standards, so there's no reason it > shouldn't perform as well today as it did when new. Finally > it can be upgraded. > > Here are two links to sites maintained by Vintage Amp Repair > who specializes in the repair and upgrade of Threshold > products. The first will give you a history with pictures > of the Threshold products over time. and the second is > their home page. While I've never dealt with them, you may > want to call to see what they can tell you about the SL-10, > and if you were able to get it cheaply enough, what an > upgrade would cost and what it would do for you. My point > is that if you can get the pre-amp cheap say $100 or so, > you'll have a pre-amp that's probably still better than > 90-95 percent of what is out there today and the cheapest > product available today that would beat it significantly is > probably the current top of the line Adcom pre-amp, which I > think (but don't hold me this) is probably approaching > $900-$1,000. > > http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/archiveamps.htm > http://www.rsvlonline.net/vintageamp/default.htm > > Any way, I hope this has been helpful. > > Best regards, > John > > Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > John, Thank you very much for your reaction. Maybe the > > SL10 is to old to go for it in ?Do you know what the best > > used preamp for value will be? (not to extreem prices) > > Norman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:John M. Smokevitch > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (Stephan) Treshold SL10 > > Preamp > > Dear Norm and Carl, I've used both the > > Threshold NS-10 and SL-10 and they were both > > very nice preamps for their time (early to late > > 70's for the NS-10 and mid to late 70's for the > > SL-10).. They were designed by Nelson Pass back > > in the days when he owned Threshold and they > > were built extremely well. The NS-10 was his > > flagship pre-amp at the time and my recollection > > was that Nelson might have been the first to > > have separate record and source selectors. The > > NS-10 designation referred to the fact that the > > pre-amp had a better than 10 nanosecond rise > > time on square waves, and I believe Nelson also > > used little or no negative feedback. The low > > level gain stages might very well have been > > class A. This was around the time Nelson was > > inventing the sliding bias Class A technology > > for his power amps. I also progressed from a > > 400A, to a 4000 and then to a Stasis 2 at this > > time. (I still think the 400A had the high > > end's sexiest LED meters ever.) > > > > There was also a power take off umbilical for a > > black box (to be powered by the NS-10) which > > Nelson designed to be an "active transformer" > > for use as a step up device for moving coil > > cartridges. Nelson's idea was that the > > transformer was the theoretically perfect step > > up device so he designed his black box to be an > > active transformer. ( This was before the days > > of the Cotter and the Vendetta Research which I > > guess proved Nelson's theory was right). I no > > longer have my NS-10, I gave it to my son after > > I got my first Spectral. When he went off to > > college, it was stolen, but since he didn't have > > a moving coil, I still have Nelson's active > > transformer if any one's interested. > > > > At the time, the NS-10 was only bettered by the > > Berning hybrid pre-amp and then the Spectral's > > when they came out with the DMC 10's. The > > SL-10, while a later model, was a scaled down > > version of the NS-10, and used slightly > > different circuitry. I believe Nelson called it > > a cascode follower or something like that. I > > think it had his active transformer circuitry > > built in (perhaps as an option) but my > > recollection is fuzzy on this point. And I think > > it only had one tape loop, rather than two as on > > the NS-10. They both were nice pre-amps and > > extremely well-built. Nelson used my NS-10 to > > design the FET upgrades to the NS-10 (When he > > came out with the FET-10, he made available > > upgrades for both the SL-10 and the NS-10). (I > > wanted to throttle my son when I learned that > > his NS-10 had been stolen because it was an > > unique pre-amp with a history.) > > > > If anyone's interested in Nelson's active > > transformer moving coil step up device for their > > NS-10, please contact me off NakTalk. I might > > even have some product brochures or literature > > for the NS-10 in my old files. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Best regards, > > John > > > > Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > > > > Hello Naktalkers, i want to ask stephan if he > > > knows someting about the Treshold preamp > > > SL10.Is this a good Preamp and is it old? I > > > have seen one on ebay (netherlands) and i > > > wonder how this machine would sound with my > > > Nakamichi PA5 (also treshold)Norman > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 2 22:18:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:18:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Noise Reduction Unit - if anyone needs one Message-ID: <4e.10ce77b.2914679a@aol.com> Nak external noise reduction unit http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290949374 Also, here's a DBX unit if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292386344 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Nov 2 22:26:12 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:26:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] power conditioner question Message-ID: I don't have a power conditioner, but when I moved into my location for my business, there was some old equipment left behind. One thing left behind is a power strip center called an Isobar diagnostic surge supressor. It has four plugs that say isolated filter bank, and another four plugs labelled: first level: 50db second level: 75db third level: 100db maximum level: 120db Would this thing help out an audio system at all...and if so, what would I connect to the these last four plugs? (I have two stereo amps, two Nak decks, a cd, and preamp) On the unit, it also says, protection @ 1.0MHz Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Nov 3 00:05:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:05:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Pioneer References: Message-ID: <003101c163f2$e6b45d20$1a3442cf@sank1> The PD-91 is a better transport, but I think the CDPlayer2 is a better stand-alone player. If memory serves, the PD91 is another "Legato Link" 1-bit dac machine. Been too long since I've seen one to be sure, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs Pioneer > > What do you all think of the following two players as to which is better - > the Nak CD Player 2 against the Pioneer PD91. Any comments form Stephen > Sank? Is the Pioneer transport better than the OEM Sony in the CD Player 2? > Any comments most welcome. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Nov 3 02:11:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:11:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Straight Line Tracking: The Souther Arm on the Oracle Table References: <20011030141753.29697.qmail@earthlink.net> <3BDF6597.C48173C6@snip.net> Message-ID: <3BE34439.2C2E33D6@earthlink.net> Hi John, Thanks for all the info on the Souther/Oracle combination. I'm guessing the dealer also counterweighted the table on the side opposite the arm to keep the center of gravity where it should be. Regarding the Graham arm and Benz cartridge, I'm a dealer for both so take my obvious bias into consideration but, I feel that the Graham 2.2 is the best arm of any kind on the planet, with the possible exception of the Rockport (big $$$$$) and the Glider is still the best value MC cartridge out there. I'm glad you're enjoying both. Cheers, Jim Volpatti > I'd still like to get an SLT arm of the quality of the Graham, but I'm afraid it'd be much too expensive. > > Hope this overly long-winded recounting has been interesting, Jim. Best regards, > John > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > I'm curious how you were able to mount a heavy arm like the Souther on the Oracle table without fouling up the suspension of the table. > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Nov 3 06:26:06 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:26:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] phono stages References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFA3@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE37FEE.27A0792B@earthlink.net> Hi Neal, While I share your love of quality tube components one must be careful when considering a tube phono stage, especially any MC stage that is built to a price point. It's very difficult to design a high gain tube MC phono stage that has an acceptable low noise floor. Not to say that these don't exist but they are typically very expensive. If you are planning to stay with a MM cartridge, which typically requires approximately 20 dB less gain, a tube unit can work well. I have direct experience with both the EAR and Electrocompaniet preamps. There are a few people here who know of my love for Electrocompaniet electronics and the ECP1 phono stage is no exception. It offers a vivid, harmonically rich, dynamic, full bodied sound with plenty of inner detail and wide open sound staging and sounds much better than it has any right to, especially considering its price. It is currently my favorite phono stage for less than $2000 US. While the EAR has the high quality transformers that Tim Pavarincini is known for, the overall sound is too dark for my tastes. I understand that this can be cured with a change of tubes but the preamp's noise floor is still only low enough for MM or high gain MC cartridges. You might also want to listen to the Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage. It's designed by Karl Lukaschek, the designer of Benz Micro cartridges. I personally prefer the Electrocompaniet but the Lukaschek is very, very good too. You may prefer it. Good luck with your search and let us know if you have any other questions! Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > I have been looking at upgrading my phono stage and have been hearing > various pieces of advice and i wondered what some fellow naktalkers thought. > > firstly my system is > > micro seiki bl10x turntable (not one of their top of the range but well > built) > grado gold cartridge > naim flatcap, preamp and power amp > linn kelidh speakers > > my preference is for rock and blues hence the naim system. i must say that i > very much like the sound of tubes and would have gone for such a system at > the start but now that i've made this investment i need to make improvements > with what i've got (nak 1000zxl being one such purchase). > > i live in south africa so auditioning anything is a problem. so far i have > been told to look at elecrocompaniet, EAR and an italian valve phono called > synthesis (it has a seperate power supply which sounds interesting). what > are peoples general thoughts on this what should i look for, should it have > mm and mc capability in the beginning or can i start with mm (grado gold is > high output). > > the naim has a phono stage and it isn't bad but someone i trust auditioned > the EAR with a naim system and said it blew it away so i know that the naim > can be improved upon. i don't want to over capitalize (ie have a phono stage > which is better than my system can handle) but at the same time i'm looking > for a marked improvement. > > interested in your thoughts. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Nov 3 07:11:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:11:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <20011031063655.BKZZ290.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <146e01c161db$b6947800$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE38AAD.B965473D@earthlink.net> Just an interesting tid bit of information about the connection between Threshold, Nakamichi, Pass Labs and InnerSound. Nelson Pass was the previous owner and designer of Threshold. He also designed the Statis electronics for Nakamichi. A few of Nelson's co-designers split off from Threshold and started Coda Electronics when Nelson sold Threshold. Coda built all of the early Pass Labs products until Nelson took the manufacturing in-house. These same ex-Threshold engineers now design and manufacture all the InnerSound electronics to Roger Sanders' specifications. If you read any of the white papers on InnerSound's website, you will discover a similar circuit design philosophy that is shared amongst all of the above products. Roger Sanders, president and designer at InnerSound, has taken these older designs a few steps further and offers them at any very fair price. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The PA-7 is seriously well protected from damage. Too much so, in fact. > I've never actually had to service one, but I always wanted to lighten up > the over-current protection whenever I used one. I like to play loud, and > if I went a little bit too loud, it would click off for a second or two on > every peak. They are seriously bulletproof. I've seen exactly two failures > on a PA-7II. Component failures in the driver stages. No specific cause > determined. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Nov 3 09:12:16 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:12:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phono stages - Electrocompaniet ECP1 Message-ID: <3BE3A6E0.253DB3B2@sunint.co.za> Hi Neal and Jim, I couldn't agree more with Jim's assessment of the Electrocompaniet ECP1 phono stage. That classy little Norwegian will become a hi-fi legend. It is everything he says and is outrageous value for R6500. Think of it this way.......it's a snappy seller in our circles, yet I have never seen one for sale, second hand. The owner quickly realises that any meaningful upgrade would require re-mortgaging the house. You might want to contact a local user, Neil Painter, in Pietermaritzburg. He uses a Linn Sondek LP12, Lingo PSU, Ringmat (latest upgrade), SME Series V, Transfiguration Esprit (the high output version) into ECP1, a Jeff Rowland Pre-amp (I forget the model) and finally a vintage valve Leak Stereo 20 Power Amp. Speakers are Infinity Ref 51a. Cabling is mainly MIT. The sound is stupendous. Incidently, he also uses a Nakamichi CR7E. He'd be happy to share his impressions, drop him a line at: neilp at stowells.com Regards, Marc > Hi Neal, > > While I share your love of quality tube components one must be careful > when considering a tube phono stage, especially any MC stage that is > built to a price point. It's very difficult to design a high gain tube > MC phono stage that has an acceptable low noise floor. Not to say that > these don't exist but they are typically very expensive. If you are > planning to stay with a MM cartridge, which typically requires > approximately 20 dB less gain, a tube unit can work well. > > I have direct experience with both the EAR and Electrocompaniet preamps. > There are a few people here who know of my love for Electrocompaniet > electronics and the ECP1 phono stage is no exception. It offers a vivid, > harmonically rich, dynamic, full bodied sound with plenty of inner > detail and wide open sound staging and sounds much better than it has > any right to, especially considering its price. It is currently my > favorite phono stage for less than $2000 US. > > While the EAR has the high quality transformers that Tim Pavarincini is > known for, the overall sound is too dark for my tastes. I understand > that this can be cured with a change of tubes but the preamp's noise > floor is still only low enough for MM or high gain MC cartridges. > > You might also want to listen to the Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage. It's > designed by Karl Lukaschek, the designer of Benz Micro cartridges. I > personally prefer the Electrocompaniet but the Lukaschek is very, very > good too. You may prefer it. > > Good luck with your search and let us know if you have any other > questions! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > I have been looking at upgrading my phono stage and have been hearing > > various pieces of advice and i wondered what some fellow naktalkers thought. > > > > firstly my system is > > > > micro seiki bl10x turntable (not one of their top of the range but well > > built) > > grado gold cartridge > > naim flatcap, preamp and power amp > > linn kelidh speakers > > > > my preference is for rock and blues hence the naim system. i must say that i > > very much like the sound of tubes and would have gone for such a system at > > the start but now that i've made this investment i need to make improvements > > with what i've got (nak 1000zxl being one such purchase). > > > > i live in south africa so auditioning anything is a problem. so far i have > > been told to look at elecrocompaniet, EAR and an italian valve phono called > > synthesis (it has a seperate power supply which sounds interesting). what > > are peoples general thoughts on this what should i look for, should it have > > mm and mc capability in the beginning or can i start with mm (grado gold is > > high output). > > > > the naim has a phono stage and it isn't bad but someone i trust auditioned > > the EAR with a naim system and said it blew it away so i know that the naim > > can be improved upon. i don't want to over capitalize (ie have a phono stage > > which is better than my system can handle) but at the same time i'm looking > > for a marked improvement. > > > > interested in your thoughts. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 3 11:39:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:39:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <0f5801c15f0e$ce639c60$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003901c16453$e1676f40$645587d9@a4s1s2> Guys I spotted http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12904 01925, which is a SHERWOOD S3MX FM STEREO MULTIPLEX ADAPTER. How are these things applied? Do you simply feed them the mono o/p signal from the tuner for decoding into stereo? (My curiosity is aroused because I have a mono FM tube tuner and I wonder what it would sound like if it could produce a decent stereo o/p.) Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 3 13:59:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 07:59:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/2001 12:14:10 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Just an interesting tid bit of information about the connection between Threshold, Nakamichi, Pass Labs and InnerSound. Nelson Pass was the previous owner and designer of Threshold. He also designed the Statis electronics for Nakamichi. >> Hi Jim and All, I'm curious, with all of this talk about Statis and Nelson Pass what about Pass Amplifiers and preamps? I understand Pass Amps are top of the line, is anyone familiar with those components? As always, thank you in advance for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 3 14:46:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:46:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Jazz by Ken Burns Message-ID: <112.70aa179.29154f27@aol.com> Hi All, I just finished viewing the documentary called "Jazz" by Ken Burns that was featured on PBS. If you like music, sing, or play an instrument this is a MUST see! Simply incredible, both in scope, production, content, music and character. An incredible piece of work. Despite hearing about many of the jazz legends featured from my parents and grandparents, who were fortunate to dance at the Savoy and see Charlie Parker and Dizzy "live," as a child I didn't appreciate or care for jazz music. But now as an adult and vocalist and budding musician, I am amazed at the gifts of the artists featured in this wonderful documentary. A must see for any music lover! Listed below is the website URL if you would like to learn more about Jazz by Ken Burns. Enjoy! -Sam http://www.pbs.org/jazz/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 3 15:04:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:04:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] power conditioner question References: Message-ID: <3BE3F956.C0B4E5A7@concentric.net> Power conditioning will help if -- and only if -- you have power line problems that the power supplies in your equipment are not able to handle on their own. If you have a 'normal' power line and quality equipment (doesn't everyone on this list?), it will make no difference whatsoever. Since this conditioner cost you nothing (and assuming it's in good shape), I don't see why not install it, as insurance for the future, against such things as abnormal surges, distant lightning strikes, etc. I am not sure what 'isolated filter bank' means, as opposed to the other four plugs. In the absence of a manual, here's what I would do: Isolated filters -> Power amps, TV (in a HT system). 120db -> preamp and phono stage. 50, 75, 100db -> source equipment. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > I don't have a power conditioner, but when I moved into my location for my > business, there was some old equipment left behind. One thing left behind > is a power strip center called an Isobar diagnostic surge supressor. It has > four plugs that say isolated filter bank, and another four plugs labelled: > > first level: 50db > second level: 75db > third level: 100db > maximum level: 120db > > Would this thing help out an audio system at all...and if so, what would I > connect to the these last four plugs? (I have two stereo amps, two Nak > decks, a cd, and preamp) On the unit, it also says, protection @ 1.0MHz > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 3 15:21:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:21:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <003901c16453$e1676f40$645587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BE3FD65.F7DA7DE6@concentric.net> 'These things' are fed with the 'Multiplex Adapter' output, from any tuner that has one. In the absence of such an output, it can be added to most (all?) tuners. Alternately, the normal output may be modified to serve as a multiplex output, eliminating the need to drill the chassis for the extra connector, but also removing the straight-to-amp capability). Personally, I wouldn't go to the bother and/or expense, unless the tuner was of high enough quality to justify it. Technically, the multiplex adapter output is taken *before* the de-emphasis network, while the 'normal' audio output is taken after it. This network would filter out the 19KHz pilot signal, which the adapter requires to work its magic. The adapter itself includes two such networks (one per channel) to replaced the bypassed one in the tuner. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > I spotted > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12904 > 01925, which is a SHERWOOD S3MX FM STEREO MULTIPLEX ADAPTER. > > How are these things applied? Do you simply feed them the mono o/p signal > from the tuner for decoding into stereo? (My curiosity is aroused because I > have a mono FM tube tuner and I wonder what it would sound like if it could > produce a decent stereo o/p.) > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 3 16:52:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:52:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <3BE3FD65.F7DA7DE6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000201c1647f$83551520$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Ron. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 03 November 2001 14:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic 'These things' are fed with the 'Multiplex Adapter' output, from any tuner that has one. In the absence of such an output, it can be added to most (all?) tuners. Alternately, the normal output may be modified to serve as a multiplex output, eliminating the need to drill the chassis for the extra connector, but also removing the straight-to-amp capability). Personally, I wouldn't go to the bother and/or expense, unless the tuner was of high enough quality to justify it. Technically, the multiplex adapter output is taken *before* the de-emphasis network, while the 'normal' audio output is taken after it. This network would filter out the 19KHz pilot signal, which the adapter requires to work its magic. The adapter itself includes two such networks (one per channel) to replaced the bypassed one in the tuner. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 2 17:16:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:16:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <003901c16453$e1676f40$645587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001e01c163b9$bdbf1240$23299bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, Please check if you have additional output on your tuner other than audio. If there's none, I believe you need to do some modifications inside the tuner - it won't work on audio output. On my ss marantz there is a provision to add external decoder (for 4ch quadradial fm ?) and this is where I can connect external dac, er, decoder. Usually 'borderline' models provide such output, marked 'detector output' or whatever extra rca other than audio out. I read that Leak Troughline series also has external decoder, so its mono tuner should have that output provision. Regular stereo tuner is like this: antenna -> RF front end -> IF filter/amp -> detector -> multiplex -> audio out. Sorry if you already knew all this ! Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > Guys > > I spotted > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12904 > 01925, which is a SHERWOOD S3MX FM STEREO MULTIPLEX ADAPTER. > > How are these things applied? Do you simply feed them the mono o/p signal > from the tuner for decoding into stereo? (My curiosity is aroused because I > have a mono FM tube tuner and I wonder what it would sound like if it could > produce a decent stereo o/p.) > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 3 18:51:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:51:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <001e01c163b9$bdbf1240$23299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000301c16490$3835c240$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Salim Thanks. The tuner I have is actually one of the Troughline's. It's mono/stereo switchable but the stereo decoder is ... not good. However, there is only audio o/p. I have heard of external decoders for Leak Troughline's, one of them famously designed by Tim De Paravicini tho' don't have a clue (yet) as to where they are made or how much they cost. (One would imagine that anything by TDP would not be cheap ...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 November 2001 16:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic Hi Graham, Please check if you have additional output on your tuner other than audio. If there's none, I believe you need to do some modifications inside the tuner - it won't work on audio output. On my ss marantz there is a provision to add external decoder (for 4ch quadradial fm ?) and this is where I can connect external dac, er, decoder. Usually 'borderline' models provide such output, marked 'detector output' or whatever extra rca other than audio out. I read that Leak Troughline series also has external decoder, so its mono tuner should have that output provision. Regular stereo tuner is like this: antenna -> RF front end -> IF filter/amp -> detector -> multiplex -> audio out. Sorry if you already knew all this ! Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Nov 3 18:53:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:53:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <003901c16453$e1676f40$645587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <014e01c16490$6ce500a0$1a3442cf@sank1> The multiplex needs to be fed directly from the discriminator output, before the mono tuner's output amp stage. Fairly easy to add this tap, if the tuner lacks a MPX output jack. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > Guys > > I spotted > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12904 > 01925, which is a SHERWOOD S3MX FM STEREO MULTIPLEX ADAPTER. > > How are these things applied? Do you simply feed them the mono o/p signal > from the tuner for decoding into stereo? (My curiosity is aroused because I > have a mono FM tube tuner and I wonder what it would sound like if it could > produce a decent stereo o/p.) > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Nov 3 19:03:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:03:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> Message-ID: <017001c16491$c76e1380$1a3442cf@sank1> I've heard only the Pass Aleph amps. They are an extremely different design than he was doing before, in that they are single-ended solid state amps, the silicon equivalent of single ended triode tube amps. They sound peculiar until they've warmed up for an hour, but then they sound quite nice. A good match for a speaker that has excess brightness, like Thiels or Wilsons, since the top end is extra smooth & glossy. A bit too much so for speakers that already have smooth & balanced top end. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > In a message dated 11/3/2001 12:14:10 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Just an interesting tid bit of information about the connection between > Threshold, Nakamichi, Pass Labs and InnerSound. Nelson Pass was the > previous owner and designer of Threshold. He also designed the Statis > electronics for Nakamichi. >> > > Hi Jim and All, > > I'm curious, with all of this talk about Statis and Nelson Pass what about > Pass Amplifiers and preamps? I understand Pass Amps are top of the line, is > anyone familiar with those components? As always, thank you in advance for > your help with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Nov 3 19:27:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:27:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BE43709.41F2C346@earthlink.net> Hello Sam, I really like the sound of the discontinued Aleph series of Pass Lab amps. They all had single ended circuit designs and ran very hot since they were biased in pure class A. In terms of sound, they have a tube like tonality with a slightly dark top end, are very smooth and have a natural sense of warmth, body and bloom. As for as their current X series, I've only heard the X-250 and it wasn't my cup of tea. To me, it sounded like purer, smoother, less harsh version of a Krell FPB200. In other words, it sounded as though it was voiced from the highs down and didn't offer the warmth and body that I find so critical for a naturally rendered listening experience. Cheers, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/3/2001 12:14:10 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Just an interesting tid bit of information about the connection between > Threshold, Nakamichi, Pass Labs and InnerSound. Nelson Pass was the > previous owner and designer of Threshold. He also designed the Statis > electronics for Nakamichi. >> > > Hi Jim and All, > > I'm curious, with all of this talk about Statis and Nelson Pass what about > Pass Amplifiers and preamps? I understand Pass Amps are top of the line, is > anyone familiar with those components? As always, thank you in advance for > your help with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 2 20:04:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 02:04:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic References: <000301c16490$3835c240$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002d01c163d1$24343340$23299bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, What about this ... I can give you some phone no to check ! It may not be current and (again) you may already knew about these shops, but Classique Sounds of Leicester (tel 0116 283 5821) offered Troughline re-alignment and probably can get your stereo decoder back in shape (there's also GT Audio, no phone #). I spotted used stereo decoder sometime ago on another HiFi World mag, but as murphy dictated, now I can't find the ad. While still off topic, does anybody know where I can find thorens td16x headshell ? Good luck and good night, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > Hi Salim > > Thanks. > > The tuner I have is actually one of the Troughline's. It's mono/stereo > switchable but the stereo decoder is ... not good. However, there is only > audio o/p. I have heard of external decoders for Leak Troughline's, one of > them famously designed by Tim De Paravicini tho' don't have a clue (yet) as > to where they are made or how much they cost. (One would imagine that > anything by TDP would not be cheap ...) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Nov 3 20:33:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:33:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell Message-ID: <01a701c1649e$688d8500$1a3442cf@sank1> Is this the one you're looking for?: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292765704 If it is, I'd be happy to try to buy it for you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 3 22:13:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:13:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic In-Reply-To: <002d01c163d1$24343340$23299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c164ac$66e1a160$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Salim - Classique Sounds ... I'd forgotten about them! (I travel close to Leicester quite often, too, on business - my bank's HQ is near by.) Thanks again, Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 November 2001 19:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic Hi Graham, What about this ... I can give you some phone no to check ! It may not be current and (again) you may already knew about these shops, but Classique Sounds of Leicester (tel 0116 283 5821) offered Troughline re-alignment and probably can get your stereo decoder back in shape (there's also GT Audio, no phone #). I spotted used stereo decoder sometime ago on another HiFi World mag, but as murphy dictated, now I can't find the ad. While still off topic, does anybody know where I can find thorens td16x headshell ? Good luck and good night, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: FM MULTIPLEX, etc on topic > Hi Salim > > Thanks. > > The tuner I have is actually one of the Troughline's. It's mono/stereo > switchable but the stereo decoder is ... not good. However, there is only > audio o/p. I have heard of external decoders for Leak Troughline's, one of > them famously designed by Tim De Paravicini tho' don't have a clue (yet) as > to where they are made or how much they cost. (One would imagine that > anything by TDP would not be cheap ...) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 4 00:19:33 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:19:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> <017001c16491$c76e1380$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE47B85.EFCE67DD@earthlink.net> Stephen, And I didn't even read your reply before I sent mine. Nice to see that great minds think alike. = ) Jim Volpatti > Hello Sam, > > I really like the sound of the discontinued Aleph series of Pass Lab > amps. They all had single ended circuit designs and ran very hot since > they were biased in pure class A. In terms of sound, they have a tube > like tonality with a slightly dark top end, are very smooth and have a > natural sense of warmth, body and bloom. > > Jim Volpatti > I've heard only the Pass Aleph amps. They are an extremely different design > than he was doing before, in that they are single-ended solid state amps, > the silicon equivalent of single ended triode tube amps. They sound > peculiar until they've warmed up for an hour, but then they sound quite > nice. A good match for a speaker that has excess brightness, like Thiels or > Wilsons, since the top end is extra smooth & glossy. A bit too much so for > speakers that already have smooth & balanced top end. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 4 00:32:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:32:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> <017001c16491$c76e1380$1a3442cf@sank1> <3BE47B85.EFCE67DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01ed01c164bf$bff944c0$1a3442cf@sank1> Ah, but it's so much more fun to argue! The Aleph amps are really good room heaters, aren't they? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class > Stephen, > > And I didn't even read your reply before I sent mine. Nice to see that > great minds think alike. = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Hello Sam, > > > > I really like the sound of the discontinued Aleph series of Pass Lab > > amps. They all had single ended circuit designs and ran very hot since > > they were biased in pure class A. In terms of sound, they have a tube > > like tonality with a slightly dark top end, are very smooth and have a > > natural sense of warmth, body and bloom. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > I've heard only the Pass Aleph amps. They are an extremely different design > > than he was doing before, in that they are single-ended solid state amps, > > the silicon equivalent of single ended triode tube amps. They sound > > peculiar until they've warmed up for an hour, but then they sound quite > > nice. A good match for a speaker that has excess brightness, like Thiels or > > Wilsons, since the top end is extra smooth & glossy. A bit too much so for > > speakers that already have smooth & balanced top end. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 4 01:01:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:01:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class References: <8c.ee9b276.29154449@aol.com> <017001c16491$c76e1380$1a3442cf@sank1> <3BE47B85.EFCE67DD@earthlink.net> <01ed01c164bf$bff944c0$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE4854C.9142AA60@earthlink.net> Yes, they are! = ) Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ah, but it's so much more fun to argue! > The Aleph amps are really good room heaters, aren't they? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 4 01:20:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:20:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT In-Reply-To: <002d01c163d1$24343340$23299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000501c164c6$755fcf40$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Get a load of this ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290200641 presently bidding is nearly $1k !!! Must be collectors, rather than vinyl fans, bidding? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 4 03:30:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:30:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <144.408eefc.29160257@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/2001 12:29:28 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << As for as their current X series, I've only heard the X-250 and it wasn't my cup of tea. To me, it sounded like purer, smoother, less harsh version of a Krell FPB200. In other words, it sounded as though it was voiced from the highs down and didn't offer the warmth and body that I find so critical for a naturally rendered listening experience. Cheers, Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 4 03:31:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:31:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] PA7 versions and class Message-ID: <163.3553432.29160285@aol.com> In a message dated 11/3/2001 12:52:53 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I've heard only the Pass Aleph amps. They are an extremely different design than he was doing before, in that they are single-ended solid state amps, the silicon equivalent of single ended triode tube amps. They sound peculiar until they've warmed up for an hour, but then they sound quite nice. A good match for a speaker that has excess brightness, like Thiels or Wilsons, since the top end is extra smooth & glossy. A bit too much so for speakers that already have smooth & balanced top end. >> Thanks Stephen. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 4 03:35:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:35:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones Message-ID: <79.1d8919b2.29160374@aol.com> I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 Happy bidding! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 3 05:12:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:12:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell References: <01a701c1649e$688d8500$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001f01c1641d$d095ec40$78289bca@smarzuki> Thank you very much, Stephen ! But no, it's a different model - that one supposedly came from an S shaped arm, while mine has regular straight arm - so the cartridge mount has a slight arc to the headshell connector : _ --| |-- / | / | / o o |----- /_____ | Hm, looks like P.Corey's signature .... but I meant to draw my headshell. = ) Last time I found one on ebay it went for almost $40 ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 2:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell > Is this the one you're looking for?: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292765704 > If it is, I'd be happy to try to buy it for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 4 07:23:14 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:23:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT References: <000501c164c6$755fcf40$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <024901c164f9$2fc41b20$33f73fd0@oemcomputer> Its worth it you'll look long and hard for the box and all the bits in fact I'd bet if you split it into two auctions one the turntable and the second the box and accessories you'dget more for the box etc. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT > Get a load of this ... > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290200641 presently > bidding is nearly $1k !!! > > Must be collectors, rather than vinyl fans, bidding? > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 4 07:34:35 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:34:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell References: <01a701c1649e$688d8500$1a3442cf@sank1> <001f01c1641d$d095ec40$78289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <028901c164fa$c510d1e0$33f73fd0@oemcomputer> Salim try this guy in switzerland he has a stock of thorens parts info at Schopper.ch and he's a great if expensive record dealer http://www.schopper.ch/dynamic/index.weaf Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 3 09:29:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:29:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell References: <01a701c1649e$688d8500$1a3442cf@sank1> <001f01c1641d$d095ec40$78289bca@smarzuki> <028901c164fa$c510d1e0$33f73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c16441$a2f806a0$ba1a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Warren, I'll contact this shop soon. I agree with your comment re: garrard auction, it's about that postmarked date ! How could anybody keep something in storage for 40 yrs ? Made me think that it's discovered on 'lost & found' area of one post office when they're looking for suspicious envelope .... Also reminds me of a tragedy in which my sister actually manage to lose our 'family' garrard 301 turntable in her house. grrrr. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell > Salim > try this guy in switzerland he has a stock of thorens parts > info at Schopper.ch > and he's a great if expensive record dealer > http://www.schopper.ch/dynamic/index.weaf > Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 4 10:12:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:12:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell In-Reply-To: <000801c16441$a2f806a0$ba1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000601c16510$d75a8380$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Salim, What? And you've let her LIVE?! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 03 November 2001 08:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Salim- Thorens shell Thanks much Warren, I'll contact this shop soon. I agree with your comment re: garrard auction, it's about that postmarked date ! How could anybody keep something in storage for 40 yrs ? Made me think that it's discovered on 'lost & found' area of one post office when they're looking for suspicious envelope .... Also reminds me of a tragedy in which my sister actually manage to lose our 'family' garrard 301 turntable in her house. grrrr. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun Nov 4 10:17:43 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:17:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones Message-ID: How I hate the "will ship only to U.S." part of these auctions ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:35:32 EST I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 Happy bidding! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 4 10:59:17 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:59:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones - George In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c16517$5e031cc0$125c87d9@a4s1s2> George Don't be put off - send a note to ask if they mind if you bid. 99 out of 100 agree in my experience. I've bought a few small items from people in the US and Germany who originally said "US" or "Germany" only. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 4 15:58:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:58:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT References: <000501c164c6$755fcf40$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BE557A3.E8D76ECA@concentric.net> Brings back fond memories... This was a very popular high-end turntable, before everyone 'knew' that idler TTs were no good... The 301 was followed by the 401 -- a better performing, better looking TT. Still using an idler, it was quieter. The problem with such an old TT as the 301 is that no spare parts are generally available for it -- after 40 years, the idler must need replacement, for sure. I believe there is an outfit in the UK that makes such parts for the 401 -- I don't know about the 301. Personally, I would never pay a thousand bucks for it. It's only worth it in the sense that a retired beanie baby was worth $1000, before that market disintegrated (it's worth $5 now). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Get a load of this ... > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290200641 presently > bidding is nearly $1k !!! > > Must be collectors, rather than vinyl fans, bidding? > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 4 16:01:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:01:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones References: <79.1d8919b2.29160374@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BE55841.A4CD4F49@concentric.net> Note that the ear pads are missing. Are replacements even available from Nakamichi? -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > Happy bidding! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 4 16:57:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:57:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT In-Reply-To: <3BE557A3.E8D76ECA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c16549$574bfbe0$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Ron Correct - in fact there are a couple of outfits that I know of that produce/sell spares for the Garrard's. In fact, on of these companies bought the rights to use the Garrard mark and has recently (in the last year or so) produced a new TT, apparently built to the same standards as the 401. This is called ... you guessed it? The 501. It's received v good reviews in the UK by some of the specialist hi fi mag's. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 04 November 2001 14:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Garrard 301 TT Brings back fond memories... This was a very popular high-end turntable, before everyone 'knew' that idler TTs were no good... The 301 was followed by the 401 -- a better performing, better looking TT. Still using an idler, it was quieter. The problem with such an old TT as the 301 is that no spare parts are generally available for it -- after 40 years, the idler must need replacement, for sure. I believe there is an outfit in the UK that makes such parts for the 401 -- I don't know about the 301. Personally, I would never pay a thousand bucks for it. It's only worth it in the sense that a retired beanie baby was worth $1000, before that market disintegrated (it's worth $5 now). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 4 18:04:00 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones - George References: <000801c16517$5e031cc0$125c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003701c16552$b3685f50$3b756acf@johnrotten> Same here, many times! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Headphones - George > George > > Don't be put off - send a note to ask if they mind if you bid. 99 out of > 100 agree in my experience. I've bought a few small items from people in > the US and Germany who originally said "US" or "Germany" only. > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nealw at decillion.net Mon Nov 5 10:23:13 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:23:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NR200 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC6@CPT-01> Sounds like some of the same issues as i had with my NR100. esp the bit about metal tapes sounding worse. i have still not solved this issue although i rather expect it lies with my 1000zxl -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 02 November 2001 19:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NR200 That's a new one on me. I'd say "orange cap disease", but that you seem to be saying it is in both channels equally. Perhaps there is a transistor(or an orange cap near it) that does chip mode switching between B,C & off that isn't working. That's about the best guess I can make at the moment. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] NR200 > Hi Stephen and all, > > I've got a NR200, the Dolby C part of which doesn't seem to work properly to > me (B is OK!), namely, it provides way too excessive roll-off at the higher > end (~ -5 dB at 20K). What's much more amusing is the fact, that this > roll-off is more severe with metal tapes than with normal ones. My NR200 is > hooked up to the Dragon, which at 0dB and with NR switched to OFF has almost > ideally flat FR's with any tape. > > Any thoughts to the issue? > > Thanks > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Nov 5 12:26:02 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:26:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phono stages - Electrocompaniet ECP1 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC7@CPT-01> Marc and Jim thanks for your input you have raised the very issues that i was worried about. i am still looking at other options one being Roy Davis in Durban (Marc i'm not sure if you know him - i'm sure that is where i got your name and got into naktalk) who has built a valve phono stage which he says is amazing. he says i can demo it and if i like it buy it from him of course i will not be able to do the comparison with the ECP-1 that way. as usual the problem in SA is getting to do comparison's Jim you don't realise how lucky you are in the States. i will drop neil a line and hear his views. thanks once again. neal -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 03 November 2001 10:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Phono stages - Electrocompaniet ECP1 Hi Neal and Jim, I couldn't agree more with Jim's assessment of the Electrocompaniet ECP1 phono stage. That classy little Norwegian will become a hi-fi legend. It is everything he says and is outrageous value for R6500. Think of it this way.......it's a snappy seller in our circles, yet I have never seen one for sale, second hand. The owner quickly realises that any meaningful upgrade would require re-mortgaging the house. You might want to contact a local user, Neil Painter, in Pietermaritzburg. He uses a Linn Sondek LP12, Lingo PSU, Ringmat (latest upgrade), SME Series V, Transfiguration Esprit (the high output version) into ECP1, a Jeff Rowland Pre-amp (I forget the model) and finally a vintage valve Leak Stereo 20 Power Amp. Speakers are Infinity Ref 51a. Cabling is mainly MIT. The sound is stupendous. Incidently, he also uses a Nakamichi CR7E. He'd be happy to share his impressions, drop him a line at: neilp at stowells.com Regards, Marc Hi Neal, While I share your love of quality tube components one must be careful when considering a tube phono stage, especially any MC stage that is built to a price point. It's very difficult to design a high gain tube MC phono stage that has an acceptable low noise floor. Not to say that these don't exist but they are typically very expensive. If you are planning to stay with a MM cartridge, which typically requires approximately 20 dB less gain, a tube unit can work well. I have direct experience with both the EAR and Electrocompaniet preamps. There are a few people here who know of my love for Electrocompaniet electronics and the ECP1 phono stage is no exception. It offers a vivid, harmonically rich, dynamic, full bodied sound with plenty of inner detail and wide open sound staging and sounds much better than it has any right to, especially considering its price. It is currently my favorite phono stage for less than $2000 US. While the EAR has the high quality transformers that Tim Pavarincini is known for, the overall sound is too dark for my tastes. I understand that this can be cured with a change of tubes but the preamp's noise floor is still only low enough for MM or high gain MC cartridges. You might also want to listen to the Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage. It's designed by Karl Lukaschek, the designer of Benz Micro cartridges. I personally prefer the Electrocompaniet but the Lukaschek is very, very good too. You may prefer it. Good luck with your search and let us know if you have any other questions! Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > I have been looking at upgrading my phono stage and have been hearing > various pieces of advice and i wondered what some fellow naktalkers thought. > > firstly my system is > > micro seiki bl10x turntable (not one of their top of the range but well > built) > grado gold cartridge > naim flatcap, preamp and power amp > linn kelidh speakers > > my preference is for rock and blues hence the naim system. i must say that i > very much like the sound of tubes and would have gone for such a system at > the start but now that i've made this investment i need to make improvements > with what i've got (nak 1000zxl being one such purchase). > > i live in south africa so auditioning anything is a problem. so far i have > been told to look at elecrocompaniet, EAR and an italian valve phono called > synthesis (it has a seperate power supply which sounds interesting). what > are peoples general thoughts on this what should i look for, should it have > mm and mc capability in the beginning or can i start with mm (grado gold is > high output). > > the naim has a phono stage and it isn't bad but someone i trust auditioned > the EAR with a naim system and said it blew it away so i know that the naim > can be improved upon. i don't want to over capitalize (ie have a phono stage > which is better than my system can handle) but at the same time i'm looking > for a marked improvement. > > interested in your thoughts. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Nov 5 14:54:53 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:54:53 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5874@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, collective wisdom/experience is requested. When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs music (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the wind) or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... until it EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops fidgeting due to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) fragment to flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when recording - as the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical fidgeting of the latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal recorded on tape. The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and aligned my Dragon as per Service Manual... Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 4 16:08:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:08:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5874@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000601c16542$96cf4ee0$be1a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, I can only answer the last question ... it's not OK ! Mine used to do that but *somehow* in the process of tinkering with mechanical alignment, it stopped doing that. Now on quiet passages it just stayed on its last position. Are swiveling guides & roller heights checked ok ? BTW, is the 682 still under bed ? How do you like it compared to dragon ... no comparison ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > Guys, > > collective wisdom/experience is requested. > > When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs music > (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, > sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the wind) > or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... until it > EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops fidgeting due > to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) fragment to > flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when recording - as > the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical fidgeting of the > latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal recorded on > tape. > > The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and aligned my > Dragon as per Service Manual... > > Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Nov 5 18:16:19 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:16:19 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, my friend! [Igritski Nick] Glad to hear from you. > > I can only answer the last question ... it's not OK ! > [Igritski Nick] You know, now I'm not quite sure, which *behavior* of that beast is to be considered OK and which NOT OK. IME, every art of its behaviour has both advantages (for the cost of drawbacks, naturally) and shortcomings. At least, I couln't find any suitable compromise yet. > Mine used to do that > but *somehow* in the process of tinkering with mechanical alignment, it > stopped doing that. Now on quiet passages it just stayed on its last > position. > [Igritski Nick] Exactly how did my Dragon behave before recent re-alignment - once tuned into, it stayed on the last position even on quiet passages! That was the BIG plus! You'll ask, what forced me to re-align it? I'll tell you what the minuses were: 1. When tuning into different, even "known good" tapes it, nevertheless, desperately crackled way too frequently to be considered OK. 2. When calibrating for a new, blank tape, it had NEVER been able to position the PBH along the 15kHz test signal switched. The PBH just kept fidgeting ang fidgeting without end, while the meters dancing about -20dB. To get the things right, I had to a) record a piece of some real music FIRST (thus getting the PBH *firmly* aligned) and b) ONLY THEN go back for the calibration process. 3. It seemed to me, that it did not *track* the azimuth changes throughout a recorded tape OR did it sort of "under pressure". This is how it WAS. Then, as you know, I decided to follow the Service Manual hoping to fix the problems just decribed... Below is how it IS now. 1. The calibration process is nothing short, but flawless now - the PBH gets aligned after the built-in 15K tone in a 3-4 seconds. I don't have to pre-record anything to go for the calibration. This time meters read in the neigborhood of +/-0dB, just as they should. 2. When tuning into different tapes (highl level, rich in highs signal ASSUMED) it doesn't crackle ANYMORE - PBH gear buzzes, moves, but NEVER goes off the *center point* too far, i.e. down to the crackling point. I hear you saying "Wow, this is great!". Well, here comes something to spoil the fun. The machine is *supersensitive* now - it reacts to the slightest changes in azimuth or even tape irregularities! When in complete silence (amp off) and a tape playing back, I can distinctly hear the PBH gear constantly *tune up* - this movement is very slight, but it is there. > Are swiveling guides & roller heights checked ok ? > [Igritski Nick] Salim, there's no doubt about it. > BTW, is the 682 still under bed ? > [Igritski Nick] The 682ZX is alive and kicking! All it took me to get it working just right, was proper alignment of the heads and re-alignment of the Auto-Az. section. That's it. Right now I'm fighting my 680ZX, which turned to be almost completely dead transport-wise - worn out belts, BROWN pinch rollers that NEVER knew any cleaning, dirt, grime, hardened grease, layers of nicotin, dust of ages (thank God, there is no shit in there!)... It lies in front of me... completely dismembered... stinking... ugly... I would kill the previous owner... > How do you like it compared to dragon ...no comparison ? > [Igritski Nick] To be perfectly honest, I never liked the sound of Dragon that much. I have heard 3 different Dragons (the one of mine aside) and found even my 481 sounding much better to my ears. Honestly. Naturally, there's nothing to be compared with the convenience of *tuning* capability of the mighty Dragon, that's true. But the sound... Well, it's just my personal opinion anyway. BTW, you can congratulate me upon getting a MINT!!! 1000 TriTracer (19kg!!!!) in a VERY good shape accompanied with a Nakamichi Accessoires Set (2 reference tapes, mirror tape, big cleaning stick, Q-tips, cleaning fluid, rubbers to remove remnant cotton fibers off the heads and transport) packaged into a sort of black velvet book-like case! Best Nick > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > Guys, > > > > collective wisdom/experience is requested. > > > > When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs music > > (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, > > sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the > wind) > > or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... until > it > > EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops fidgeting > due > > to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) fragment to > > flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when recording - > as > > the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical fidgeting of > the > > latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal recorded > on > > tape. > > > > The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and aligned my > > Dragon as per Service Manual... > > > > Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Are replacements > even available from Nakamichi? > > -- Ron > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > > > Happy bidding! > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Nov 5 18:56:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:56:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones References: <79.1d8919b2.29160374@aol.com> <3BE55841.A4CD4F49@concentric.net> <3BE6CEA1.F81C44AB@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <036801c16623$38664700$1a3442cf@sank1> My apologies to Kevin, Brian and any other friends who were bidding on the SP-7's. I generally don't bid on anything when I see one of you bidding. When the price exceeded $100, it looked to me like none of you were going to bid anymore. Since I had another client who asked me to find him a pair & was willing to go a bit absurdly high, I threw in a bid in the last minute. My apologies also if one of our members is "customerdude", who was the >$100 bidder I had to outbid. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > I just bought pads at Radioshack for Stephen and me. They fit perfectly and all you need > to do is carefully cut the center of the pad out as the nak pads, which are no longer > available, are more of a ring than a fully covered pad. My sp-7's are now good as new > for a meager $5.99. Occasionally radioshack is good for something. > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > Note that the ear pads are missing. Are replacements > > even available from Nakamichi? > > > > -- Ron > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > > > > > Happy bidding! > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Nov 5 18:58:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:58:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <037001c16623$71e36120$1a3442cf@sank1> It sounds like you have the 5kHz balance adjustments in the naac just slightly off yet. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > Hi, my friend! > > [Igritski Nick] Glad to hear from you. > > > > I can only answer the last question ... it's not OK ! > > > [Igritski Nick] You know, now I'm not quite sure, which *behavior* of that > beast is to be considered OK and which NOT OK. IME, every art of its > behaviour has both advantages (for the cost of drawbacks, naturally) and > shortcomings. At least, I couln't find any suitable compromise yet. > > > Mine used to do that > > but *somehow* in the process of tinkering with mechanical alignment, it > > stopped doing that. Now on quiet passages it just stayed on its last > > position. > > > [Igritski Nick] Exactly how did my Dragon behave before recent re-alignment > - once tuned into, it stayed on the last position even on quiet passages! > That was the BIG plus! You'll ask, what forced me to re-align it? I'll tell > you what the minuses were: > > 1. When tuning into different, even "known good" tapes it, nevertheless, > desperately crackled way too frequently to be considered OK. > 2. When calibrating for a new, blank tape, it had NEVER been able to > position the PBH along the 15kHz test signal switched. The PBH just kept > fidgeting ang fidgeting without end, while the meters dancing about -20dB. > > To get the things right, I had to > > a) record a piece of some real music FIRST (thus getting the PBH *firmly* > aligned) and > b) ONLY THEN go back for the calibration process. > > 3. It seemed to me, that it did not *track* the azimuth changes throughout a > recorded tape OR did it sort of "under pressure". > > This is how it WAS. > > Then, as you know, I decided to follow the Service Manual hoping to fix the > problems just decribed... Below is how it IS now. > > 1. The calibration process is nothing short, but flawless now - the PBH gets > aligned after the built-in 15K tone in a 3-4 seconds. I don't have to > pre-record anything to go for the calibration. This time meters read in the > neigborhood of +/-0dB, just as they should. > 2. When tuning into different tapes (highl level, rich in highs signal > ASSUMED) it doesn't crackle ANYMORE - PBH gear buzzes, moves, but NEVER goes > off the *center point* too far, i.e. down to the crackling point. > > I hear you saying "Wow, this is great!". Well, here comes something to spoil > the fun. The machine is *supersensitive* now - it reacts to the slightest > changes in azimuth or even tape irregularities! When in complete silence > (amp off) and a tape playing back, I can distinctly hear the PBH gear > constantly *tune up* - this movement is very slight, but it is there. > > > Are swiveling guides & roller heights checked ok ? > > > [Igritski Nick] Salim, there's no doubt about it. > > > BTW, is the 682 still under bed ? > > > [Igritski Nick] The 682ZX is alive and kicking! All it took me to get it > working just right, was proper alignment of the heads and re-alignment of > the Auto-Az. section. That's it. Right now I'm fighting my 680ZX, which > turned to be almost completely dead transport-wise - worn out belts, BROWN > pinch rollers that NEVER knew any cleaning, dirt, grime, hardened grease, > layers of nicotin, dust of ages (thank God, there is no shit in there!)... > It lies in front of me... completely dismembered... stinking... ugly... I > would kill the previous owner... > > > How do you like it compared to dragon ...no comparison ? > > > [Igritski Nick] To be perfectly honest, I never liked the sound of Dragon > that much. I have heard 3 different Dragons (the one of mine aside) and > found even my 481 sounding much better to my ears. Honestly. Naturally, > there's nothing to be compared with the convenience of *tuning* capability > of the mighty Dragon, that's true. But the sound... Well, it's just my > personal opinion anyway. > > BTW, you can congratulate me upon getting a MINT!!! 1000 TriTracer > (19kg!!!!) in a VERY good shape accompanied with a Nakamichi Accessoires Set > (2 reference tapes, mirror tape, big cleaning stick, Q-tips, cleaning fluid, > rubbers to remove remnant cotton fibers off the heads and transport) > packaged into a sort of black velvet book-like case! > > Best > > Nick > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > collective wisdom/experience is requested. > > > > > > When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs music > > > (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, > > > sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the > > wind) > > > or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... until > > it > > > EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops fidgeting > > due > > > to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) fragment to > > > flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when recording - > > as > > > the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical fidgeting of > > the > > > latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal recorded > > on > > > tape. > > > > > > The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and aligned my > > > Dragon as per Service Manual... > > > > > > Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Nov 5 20:39:01 2001 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:39:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 Message-ID: <200111051439_MC3-E5BD-4F6E@compuserve.com> Hi Stephen, Thanks for the apology, actually I was not intending to spend over $100 for the sp-7 since I found out the previous bid for sp-7 on ebay ended for ~$75. regards, "customerdude" Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:56:37 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones My apologies to Kevin, Brian and any other friends who were bidding on the SP-7's. I generally don't bid on anything when I see one of you bidding. When the price exceeded $100, it looked to me like none of you were going to bid anymore. Since I had another client who asked me to find him a pair & was willing to go a bit absurdly high, I threw in a bid in the last minute. My apologies also if one of our members is "customerdude", who was the >$100 bidder I had to outbid. < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Nov 5 21:52:17 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:52:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Treshold SL10 preamp (John M. Smokevitch) Message-ID: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello John (just to inform you) , I have contact mr. Jon Soderberg and asked him what he found about the Treshold SL10. This is what he wrote: Hello Norman, The SL 10 is a fine preamp. I just upgraded one with new capacitors and RCA jacks last spring. It is certainly worth replacing the capacitors. I charge $200 to go through the unit and replace the capacitors. At $350 I cannot recall many units that will perform as well. I have seen newer Threshold preamps for sale ie.. Fet 10 for around $600. This is also a good sounding and very reliable unit. Did you visit my web site and see some pictures? Best Regards, Jon Soderberg Further i asked him what he found about the Nakamichi PA5 upgrade : Hello Norman, I can tell you that I have repaired some Nak. units and I always explain to the owners that Threshold only licensed the design. Nak used the schematic of the output stage but I do not know what front end they used. Many iterations of front end design exist. The optical bias are by far the best. All the Stasis units require compensation caps on the output stage (stasis device) to prevent oscillation. 300-680 pF is used. Early units had a hard time maintaining stable bias. They were biased too cold to prevent runaway. Stasis 2,3 and early S 300s and S500s Also the component quality choice makes a big difference. Motorola output devices are used because Harris, Sanken and others are simply too fast and the amp becomes a power oscillator. Bye for now, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Nov 5 22:36:59 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:36:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them select the exact product that works best in their given situation. One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what the product or system will sound like in their given situation. Stepping off of my pedestal... Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Nov 5 23:22:46 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:22:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c16648$66672a00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Well i agree with you Jim, it's only that you want always improve the system to make it sound better. It's a matter of money , we can't buy anything we want, so step by step (sometimes used stuff) try to make it better. greetings, Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Mon Nov 5 23:10:56 2001 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:10:56 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 01:49:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:49:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 References: <200111051439_MC3-E5BD-4F6E@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <039d01c1665c$e9c1c860$1a3442cf@sank1> Perhaps we should all make known our ebay handles so we can avoid competing unduly with each other. Mine is obvious as "stephensank". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 > Hi Stephen, > Thanks for the apology, actually I was not intending to spend over $100 for > the sp-7 since I found out the previous bid for sp-7 on ebay ended for > ~$75. > regards, > "customerdude" > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:56:37 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > > My apologies to Kevin, Brian and any other friends who were bidding on the > SP-7's. I generally don't bid on anything when I see one of you bidding. > When the price exceeded $100, it looked to me like none of you were going > to > bid anymore. Since I had another client who asked me to find him a pair & > was willing to go a bit absurdly high, I threw in a bid in the last minute. > My apologies also if one of our members is "customerdude", who was the > >$100 > bidder I had to outbid. > < > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 01:53:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:53:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03a301c1665d$67bb3bc0$1a3442cf@sank1> "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & spaciousness. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 5 01:33:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:33:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> <000c01c16648$66672a00$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <002701c16597$b5845420$9c199bca@smarzuki> Yup ! And being half a world away, I'm limited to A vs B question. Imho for Nakamichi decks (original 'thread') opinion, there's not much synergy involved as in cartridge-pre-power-speakers chain. ... therefore it ought to be safer. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... > Well i agree with you Jim, > > it's only that you want always improve the system to make it sound better. > It's a matter of money , we can't buy anything we want, so step by step > (sometimes used stuff) try to make it better. > > greetings, > > Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 5 02:17:09 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:17:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <037001c16623$71e36120$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002801c16597$b92ebe80$9c199bca@smarzuki> Stephen, is this the same as 'phase' adjustment ? Sometimes I wish there's a manual button for this auto az thing .... maybe you have done that before ? where would be a "logically correct" place to put a switch for this NAAC (other than splitting the cable for azimuth motor and put a switch in between) ? Nick ... congratulations for your Nak 1000, if seller still has original box etc you might as well put it on ebay ! Regarding your 481 comparison, I have a nice 482 for your dragon ... :-) But seriously, I hope that 5k balance alignment would cure your deck, as mine now operates almost perfectly with marker barely moves off center, no clacks except for tapes that also sounds extremely terrible on other decks. Record works fine. Last alignment done was on righthand roller height - a big pain with no gage. Anyway, how did you collect your full set of Nak gauges ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > It sounds like you have the 5kHz balance adjustments in the naac just > slightly off yet. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Nov 6 02:23:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:23:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones References: <79.1d8919b2.29160374@aol.com> <3BE55841.A4CD4F49@concentric.net> <3BE6CEA1.F81C44AB@pacbell.net> <036801c16623$38664700$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE73B84.C14422A7@concentric.net> Fret not, there will be more. There always are. BTW, the previous SP-7 went for $70 and change. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > My apologies to Kevin, Brian and any other friends who were bidding on the > SP-7's. I generally don't bid on anything when I see one of you bidding. > When the price exceeded $100, it looked to me like none of you were going to > bid anymore. Since I had another client who asked me to find him a pair & > was willing to go a bit absurdly high, I threw in a bid in the last minute. > My apologies also if one of our members is "customerdude", who was the >$100 > bidder I had to outbid. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > > > I just bought pads at Radioshack for Stephen and me. They fit perfectly > and all you need > > to do is carefully cut the center of the pad out as the nak pads, which > are no longer > > available, are more of a ring than a fully covered pad. My sp-7's are now > good as new > > for a meager $5.99. Occasionally radioshack is good for something. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Note that the ear pads are missing. Are replacements > > > even available from Nakamichi? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > > > > > > > Happy bidding! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 03:24:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:24:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <037001c16623$71e36120$1a3442cf@sank1> <002801c16597$b92ebe80$9c199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <03fa01c1666a$3c266400$1a3442cf@sank1> I was referring to the VR822 5kHz phase adj pot, but it can also be related to VR701/702 phase adj pots. It possible to do a manual azimuth control, but it would take a fair amount of design work to implement the switching between auto & manual. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > Stephen, is this the same as 'phase' adjustment ? > > Sometimes I wish there's a manual button for this auto az thing .... maybe > you have done that before ? where would be a "logically correct" place to > put a switch for this NAAC (other than splitting the cable for azimuth motor > and put a switch in between) ? > > Nick ... congratulations for your Nak 1000, if seller still has original box > etc you might as well put it on ebay ! Regarding your 481 comparison, I > have a nice 482 for your dragon ... :-) But seriously, I hope that 5k > balance alignment would cure your deck, as mine now operates almost > perfectly with marker barely moves off center, no clacks except for tapes > that also sounds extremely terrible on other decks. Record works fine. > > Last alignment done was on righthand roller height - a big pain with no > gage. Anyway, how did you collect your full set of Nak gauges ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > It sounds like you have the 5kHz balance adjustments in the naac just > > slightly off yet. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Tue Nov 6 04:22:40 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:22:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a little help(question) In-Reply-To: <03fa01c1666a$3c266400$1a3442cf@sank1> References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <037001c16623$71e36120$1a3442cf@sank1> <002801c16597$b92ebe80$9c199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20011105221746.00b6d890@mail.mindspring.com> Guys,Is there a definitive way to tell if a cassette has been recorded with or without dolby B? I have listened to the recording ( a live choral concert ) including the blank section at the beginning and I am still unsure. Thanks, Stanley ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 04:33:43 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:33:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <20011106033343.DDAP1271.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Ooops, I meant simple "off" switch for the NAAC, not manual trim as in CR7. I thought about inserting a switch on motor cable but wonder if there's a better, 'more elegant' method :-) Salim SM > I was referring to the VR822 5kHz phase adj pot, but it can also be related > to VR701/702 phase adj pots. > It possible to do a manual azimuth control, but it would take a fair amount > of design work to implement the switching between auto & manual. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Nov 6 04:30:46 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:00:46 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <005401c16673$980ac780$42d60192@vsnl> Regarding the automatic azimuth adjustment part of Dragon - I had inserted a multi turn pot for 15 Khz adjustment which worked better and the same can be thought for 5Khz Phase adjustment to get better adjustment . More than 5 Khz Phase adjustment ; 15 Khz part gives more trouble probably due to some Caps causing phase anomolies in the circuit - possibly in Azimuth adjusting circuitry. Also I noticed some electronic parts causing pops and crackles without a tape in reverse direction which causes azimuth adjusting electronics to misbehave - this I noticed yesterday and I am yet to find out the source of trouble. Since this happens only in reverse play I think it can be tracked to first part of playback amp. Also if there are speed differential problem between two capstans; it will cause mistracking of azimuth. The speed differential can be checked at two TPs on digital servo motor board by observing the signals on Oscilloscope as suggested by Stephen. Finally disabling this part is not an elegant way to use a Dragon! Guys you can definitely get over this problem. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > >Ooops, I meant simple "off" switch for the NAAC, not manual trim as in CR7. >I thought about inserting a switch on motor cable but wonder if there's a >better, 'more elegant' method :-) > >Salim SM > > >> I was referring to the VR822 5kHz phase adj pot, but it can also be >related >> to VR701/702 phase adj pots. >> It possible to do a manual azimuth control, but it would take a fair >amount >> of design work to implement the switching between auto & manual. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Nov 6 04:54:49 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:54:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> <03a301c1665d$67bb3bc0$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE75F08.ACD41C33@snet.net> While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's no denying that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral solid state piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube piece too, but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both setups sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort of "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes playing with audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the secondary system the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. Accurate... not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we get to have. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & > spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Tue Nov 6 05:52:29 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:52:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a little help(question) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20011105221746.00b6d890@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stanley P. Pickens > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Need a little help(question) > > > Guys,Is there a definitive way to tell if a cassette has been > recorded with > or without dolby B? I have listened to the recording ( a live choral > concert ) including the blank section at the beginning and I am > still unsure. > > Thanks, > Stanley > Dolby tape played with dolby off = tinny boosted highs at low levels Non-Dolby tape played with dolby on = highs muffled at low levels Dolby Tape with dobly on or non-dolby tape with dolby off= highs balanced at both high and low signal levels. JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 06:21:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:21:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <20011106052137.DLFS1271.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks Kannan, but there's no problem on my deck now. Sometimes I'm just a bit tired of dragon's overshoot on 'startup', e.g. on songs with long and relative quiet intro. I think I almost got the "0" or inital position almost right and (sometimes) prefer to listen using fixed position for one full side. BTW do you still keep that post on checking speed differential - which TPs, could you please forward that to me ? Best regards, Salim SM > Regarding the automatic azimuth adjustment part of Dragon - I had inserted a > multi turn pot for 15 Khz adjustment which worked better and the same can be > thought for 5Khz Phase adjustment to get better adjustment . More than 5 Khz > Phase adjustment ; 15 Khz part gives more trouble probably due to some Caps > causing phase anomolies in the circuit - possibly in Azimuth adjusting > circuitry. > > Also I noticed some electronic parts causing pops and crackles without a > tape in reverse direction which causes azimuth adjusting electronics to > misbehave - this I noticed yesterday and I am yet to find out the source of > trouble. Since this happens only in reverse play I think it can be tracked > to first part of playback amp. > Also if there are speed differential problem between two capstans; it will > cause mistracking of azimuth. The speed differential can be checked at two > TPs on digital servo motor board by observing the signals on Oscilloscope as > suggested by Stephen. > > Finally disabling this part is not an elegant way to use a Dragon! > Guys you can definitely get over this problem. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Nov 6 06:51:10 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:51:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Straight Line Tracking: The Souther Arm on the Oracle Table Message-ID: Don't forget about the TriPlaner. Also in that elite group. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Nov 6 06:51:12 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:51:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Straight Line Tracking: The Souther Arm on the Oracle Table Message-ID: <9d.1dc5ca63.2918d450@aol.com> Don't forget about the TriPlaner. Also in that elite group. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 07:10:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:10:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <20011106052137.DLFS1271.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <048101c16689$c0a24fe0$1a3442cf@sank1> The two test points are the only two TP posts on the servo pcb. In fwd mode, the one on the right should measure exactly 0.2 percent higher frequency than the left. In rev mode, the left should be exactly 0.2 percent higher than the right. If you have only an oscilloscope, triggering off of one should make the other's wave move accross the screen at a liesurely pace. If you have about 4 wave cycles on the screen, it should take about 1 second for a wave peak to cross the screen. Reverse the direction mode & the wave should reverse direction of travel. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > Thanks Kannan, but there's no problem on my deck now. Sometimes I'm just a > bit tired of dragon's overshoot on 'startup', e.g. on songs with long and > relative quiet intro. I think I almost got the "0" or inital position > almost right and (sometimes) prefer to listen using fixed position for one > full side. > > BTW do you still keep that post on checking speed differential - which TPs, > could you please forward that to me ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Regarding the automatic azimuth adjustment part of Dragon - I had inserted > a > > multi turn pot for 15 Khz adjustment which worked better and the same can > be > > thought for 5Khz Phase adjustment to get better adjustment . More than 5 > Khz > > Phase adjustment ; 15 Khz part gives more trouble probably due to some > Caps > > causing phase anomolies in the circuit - possibly in Azimuth adjusting > > circuitry. > > > > Also I noticed some electronic parts causing pops and crackles without a > > tape in reverse direction which causes azimuth adjusting electronics to > > misbehave - this I noticed yesterday and I am yet to find out the source > of > > trouble. Since this happens only in reverse play I think it can be > tracked > > to first part of playback amp. > > Also if there are speed differential problem between two capstans; it > will > > cause mistracking of azimuth. The speed differential can be checked at > two > > TPs on digital servo motor board by observing the signals on Oscilloscope > as > > suggested by Stephen. > > > > Finally disabling this part is not an elegant way to use a Dragon! > > Guys you can definitely get over this problem. > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 08:14:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:14:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 References: <200111051439_MC3-E5BD-4F6E@compuserve.com> <039d01c1665c$e9c1c860$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE78DC7.9F2AE84B@earthlink.net> In the spirit of that suggestion, it would also be helpful if we didn't "advertise" eBay items of interest on Naktalk, creating more potential competition for that item amongst the members of this list. I say let the individual whose interested in an item do their homework if they are looking for a good deal. If we know of a particular member who has expressed interest in an item and that item has become available on eBay, email that person directly. I welcome your thoughts. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Perhaps we should all make known our ebay handles so we can avoid competing > unduly with each other. Mine is obvious as "stephensank". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 08:18:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:18:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> <03a301c1665d$67bb3bc0$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE78EB7.E748F3DE@earthlink.net> Stephen, Your approach assumes that the items in a system have no weakness. I've yet to hear a perfect component. Perhaps you have the technical knowledge and expertise to build or modify equipment to suit your taste but the average Joe audiophile does not. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & > spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Nov 6 08:08:05 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:08:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discu ssion.... Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC9@CPT-01> A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean change really. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's no denying that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral solid state piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube piece too, but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both setups sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort of "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes playing with audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the secondary system the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. Accurate... not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we get to have. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & > spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 08:14:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:14:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <20011106071435.BYNZ5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks Stephen, I take it that my digital tester (which can read frequency up to 10 mhz) is not up to task ... well who knows one day I'll own an oscilloscope (and get to fix my revox table :-(. Best regards, Salim SM > The two test points are the only two TP posts on the servo pcb. In fwd > mode, the one on the right should measure exactly 0.2 percent higher > frequency than the left. In rev mode, the left should be exactly 0.2 > percent higher than the right. If you have only an oscilloscope, triggering > off of one should make the other's wave move accross the screen at a > liesurely pace. If you have about 4 wave cycles on the screen, it should > take about 1 second for a wave peak to cross the screen. Reverse the > direction mode & the wave should reverse direction of travel. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 08:30:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:30:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> <03a301c1665d$67bb3bc0$1a3442cf@sank1> <3BE75F08.ACD41C33@snet.net> Message-ID: <3BE79197.621BDB0D@earthlink.net> Good point, Ed. Speaking of how components interact, let me digress a bit. The relationship between a loudspeaker and amplifier can be very complex, especially if the speaker has a low input impedance, presents a capacitive load or uses high order passive crossovers or if the amp has a high output impedance or isn't able to deliver enough current or voltage. Choosing an amp or speakers with some this technical knowledge can go a long way towards creating synergy in a given system. Jim Volpatti Ed Noyes wrote: > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's no denying > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral solid state > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube piece too, > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both setups > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort of > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes playing with > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the secondary system > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. Accurate... > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we get to > have. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & > > spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have listened to the recording ( a live choral > > concert ) including the blank section at the beginning and I am > > still unsure. > > > > Thanks, > > Stanley > > > Dolby tape played with dolby off = tinny boosted highs at low levels > Non-Dolby tape played with dolby on = highs muffled at low levels > > Dolby Tape with dobly on or non-dolby tape with dolby off= highs > balanced at both high and low signal levels. > JCO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 08:41:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:41:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC9@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE79437.D5C03F60@earthlink.net> Neal, I tell me the customers the same thing. You can put the world's best system in a bad sounding room and you'll achieve bad sound. Put a very mediocre system in a great room and the results can be surprising good. You can't polish a turd. This is the very reason that I also offer acoustical consulting as one of my services. Think of the room as part of the system when trying to figure which is the weakest link in the chain. It's been my experience that the room is the most neglected aspect of our hobby, despite it's importance in the final result. Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > change really. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's > no denying > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral > solid state > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube > piece too, > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both > setups > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort > of > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes > playing with > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the > secondary system > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. > Accurate... > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we > get to > have. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is > quite > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this > is > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, > you > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail > & > > spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and > other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by > it. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 08:45:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:45:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <20011106071435.BYNZ5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <04c401c16696$f2c970e0$1a3442cf@sank1> Actually, your meter may do just fine. My Fluke 87 & 29 can do it just fine. The frequency is, I can never remember exactly, around 800Hz, so it's not too challenging. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > Thanks Stephen, > > I take it that my digital tester (which can read frequency up to 10 mhz) is > not up to task ... well who knows one day I'll own an oscilloscope (and get > to fix my revox table :-(. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > The two test points are the only two TP posts on the servo pcb. In fwd > > mode, the one on the right should measure exactly 0.2 percent higher > > frequency than the left. In rev mode, the left should be exactly 0.2 > > percent higher than the right. If you have only an oscilloscope, > triggering > > off of one should make the other's wave move accross the screen at a > > liesurely pace. If you have about 4 wave cycles on the screen, it > should > > take about 1 second for a wave peak to cross the screen. Reverse the > > direction mode & the wave should reverse direction of travel. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 08:51:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:51:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC9@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE79669.3922E61F@earthlink.net> By the way, Neal. a wooden floor isn't necessarily bad, as long as the floor isn't bare. If it is, I'd suggest experimenting with a rug and varying amounts of carpet padding underneath. You might be surprised at the results. For what it's worth, I'd take a wooden floor over a poured concrete or tiled floor any day, as long as the the wooden floor is supported well from underneath. Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however. Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > change really. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 10:42:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:42:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... Message-ID: <20011106094234.EFBP1271.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Jim, Could you please share a bit what effect does a high order crossover has on power amp ? I have little understanding on loudspeaker impedance other than easy / flat / resistive load, and also interested in learning more about source-pre-power impedance matching ... I'd appreciate if you could point out links for some good reading on this topic. Usually I go for safest shortcut i.e. use pre+power from same brand. If anybody's interested and didn't know about this before, this is a fully working but limited trial of MLSSA program, full copy only $200. I'm willing to buy your second hand copy ... http://www.purebits.com/ Kind of amazing to me - two blurbs and I got full FR reading ! Beats that nauseating sweep tones hands down. Best regards, Salim SM > > Good point, Ed. Speaking of how components interact, let me digress a > bit. The relationship between a loudspeaker and amplifier can be very > complex, especially if the speaker has a low input impedance, presents a > capacitive load or uses high order passive crossovers or if the amp has > a high output impedance or isn't able to deliver enough current or > voltage. Choosing an amp or speakers with some this technical knowledge > can go a long way towards creating synergy in a given system. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Nov 6 11:03:11 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:03:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for disc ussion.... Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCB@CPT-01> The problem is that the house is old and has beautiful wooden floors, not sagging though. covering with a carpet unfortunately goes against my girlfriend and my taste (unless i can find an expensive persian that i like). this is were audio and aesthetics collide....we are adding a lot of cushions on the floor so it will end up like a morrocan den hopefully this along with a few hangings and a bookshelf will help with the acoustics. i've also been told to work on the corners as the sound tends to reflect there. a few other issues with the room. it is rectangular but the fireplace means that the hi-fi has to run on one of the long sides. the ceilings are high, over 3 meters. the walls will get some hangings over time. i worked on eliminating feedback through the wooden floors back to the hi-fi by putting isolation cones under the CD player and turntable (i call them isolation cones but they are from some danish company you put three of them in a triangle under your equipment). it certainly made a huge improvement to the sound, tightened up the base. the wooden floors still vibrate if the hi-fi is played loud. attaching the turntable/ CD player directly to the wall is a no no with my girlfriend. i'll be interested in any other ideas you have, understanding that aesthetics may stand in the way. regards neal -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: 06 November 2001 09:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... By the way, Neal. a wooden floor isn't necessarily bad, as long as the floor isn't bare. If it is, I'd suggest experimenting with a rug and varying amounts of carpet padding underneath. You might be surprised at the results. For what it's worth, I'd take a wooden floor over a poured concrete or tiled floor any day, as long as the the wooden floor is supported well from underneath. Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however. Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > change really. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Nov 6 11:56:56 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:56:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks Stephen! Is there any other way to set the 5K balance right, than that described in the Manual? I did everything as per Manual and I'm still a bit off as you suppose... In short, how does that 5K balance work? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:58 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > It sounds like you have the 5kHz balance adjustments in the naac just > slightly off yet. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:16 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > Hi, my friend! > > > > [Igritski Nick] Glad to hear from you. > > > > > > I can only answer the last question ... it's not OK ! > > > > > [Igritski Nick] You know, now I'm not quite sure, which *behavior* of > that > > beast is to be considered OK and which NOT OK. IME, every art of its > > behaviour has both advantages (for the cost of drawbacks, naturally) and > > shortcomings. At least, I couln't find any suitable compromise yet. > > > > > Mine used to do that > > > but *somehow* in the process of tinkering with mechanical alignment, > it > > > stopped doing that. Now on quiet passages it just stayed on its last > > > position. > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Exactly how did my Dragon behave before recent > re-alignment > > - once tuned into, it stayed on the last position even on quiet > passages! > > That was the BIG plus! You'll ask, what forced me to re-align it? I'll > tell > > you what the minuses were: > > > > 1. When tuning into different, even "known good" tapes it, nevertheless, > > desperately crackled way too frequently to be considered OK. > > 2. When calibrating for a new, blank tape, it had NEVER been able to > > position the PBH along the 15kHz test signal switched. The PBH just kept > > fidgeting ang fidgeting without end, while the meters dancing about > -20dB. > > > > To get the things right, I had to > > > > a) record a piece of some real music FIRST (thus getting the PBH > *firmly* > > aligned) and > > b) ONLY THEN go back for the calibration process. > > > > 3. It seemed to me, that it did not *track* the azimuth changes > throughout > a > > recorded tape OR did it sort of "under pressure". > > > > This is how it WAS. > > > > Then, as you know, I decided to follow the Service Manual hoping to fix > the > > problems just decribed... Below is how it IS now. > > > > 1. The calibration process is nothing short, but flawless now - the PBH > gets > > aligned after the built-in 15K tone in a 3-4 seconds. I don't have to > > pre-record anything to go for the calibration. This time meters read in > the > > neigborhood of +/-0dB, just as they should. > > 2. When tuning into different tapes (highl level, rich in highs signal > > ASSUMED) it doesn't crackle ANYMORE - PBH gear buzzes, moves, but NEVER > goes > > off the *center point* too far, i.e. down to the crackling point. > > > > I hear you saying "Wow, this is great!". Well, here comes something to > spoil > > the fun. The machine is *supersensitive* now - it reacts to the > slightest > > changes in azimuth or even tape irregularities! When in complete silence > > (amp off) and a tape playing back, I can distinctly hear the PBH gear > > constantly *tune up* - this movement is very slight, but it is there. > > > > > Are swiveling guides & roller heights checked ok ? > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Salim, there's no doubt about it. > > > > > BTW, is the 682 still under bed ? > > > > > [Igritski Nick] The 682ZX is alive and kicking! All it took me to get > it > > working just right, was proper alignment of the heads and re-alignment > of > > the Auto-Az. section. That's it. Right now I'm fighting my 680ZX, which > > turned to be almost completely dead transport-wise - worn out belts, > BROWN > > pinch rollers that NEVER knew any cleaning, dirt, grime, hardened > grease, > > layers of nicotin, dust of ages (thank God, there is no shit in > there!)... > > It lies in front of me... completely dismembered... stinking... ugly... > I > > would kill the previous owner... > > > > > How do you like it compared to dragon ...no comparison ? > > > > > [Igritski Nick] To be perfectly honest, I never liked the sound of > Dragon > > that much. I have heard 3 different Dragons (the one of mine aside) and > > found even my 481 sounding much better to my ears. Honestly. Naturally, > > there's nothing to be compared with the convenience of *tuning* > capability > > of the mighty Dragon, that's true. But the sound... Well, it's just my > > personal opinion anyway. > > > > BTW, you can congratulate me upon getting a MINT!!! 1000 TriTracer > > (19kg!!!!) in a VERY good shape accompanied with a Nakamichi Accessoires > Set > > (2 reference tapes, mirror tape, big cleaning stick, Q-tips, cleaning > fluid, > > rubbers to remove remnant cotton fibers off the heads and transport) > > packaged into a sort of black velvet book-like case! > > > > Best > > > > Nick > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > collective wisdom/experience is requested. > > > > > > > > When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs > music > > > > (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, > > > > sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the > > > wind) > > > > or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... > until > > > it > > > > EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops > fidgeting > > > due > > > > to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) > fragment > to > > > > flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when > recording - > > > as > > > > the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical > fidgeting > of > > > the > > > > latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal > recorded > > > on > > > > tape. > > > > > > > > The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and > aligned > my > > > > Dragon as per Service Manual... > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 6 17:02:57 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:02:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones References: Message-ID: <3BE809AF.5EDF1A97@pacbell.net> Click here: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F001%5F008%5F000&product%5Fid=33%2D379 Brian Stocker Vinod Kumar wrote: > > > I'm looking for a pair of ear pads for my SP-7 too. Brian, could you > please tell me the model number for those ear pads that you purchased > at Radio Shack. > > > > Thanks > > > > Vinod > >From: britri at pacbell.net > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:38:42 -0800 > > > >I just bought pads at Radioshack for Stephen and me. They fit > perfectly and all you need > >to do is carefully cut the center of the pad out as the nak pads, > which are no longer > >available, are more of a ring than a fully covered pad. My sp-7's are > now good as new > >for a meager $5.99. Occasionally radioshack is good for something. > > > >Brian Stocker > > > >Ron wrote: > > > > > Note that the ear pads are missing. Are replacements > > > even available from Nakamichi? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > > > > > > > Happy bidding! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 5 18:02:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:02:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? Message-ID: <006e01c1661b$ce0ea160$1d299bca@smarzuki> Guys, sorry if this is way off topic, Spec sheet of this dbx active xo says it is a 4th order with continuously variable frequency and a 10x settings too (using salen key method ?). www.dbxpro.com/223.htm How is this possible ? I thought only 1st and 2nd order which can still incorporate such frequency adjustment. Simple explanation, or links to partial answer are more than welcome. I can only built a 100/150hz 4th order which already requires so many switch contacts. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 6 18:53:47 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:53:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC9@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE823A7.8104E058@pacbell.net> That is an interesting take on this discussion, Neal. Homes and rooms are, more or less, inflexible. What are some basic essentials that will improve MOST listening rooms? Carpet vs. hard surfaces, drapery, shades, louver, vs. glass, etc.? Brian Stocker Neal Walker wrote: > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > change really. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's > no denying > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral > solid state > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube > piece too, > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both > setups > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort > of > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes > playing with > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the > secondary system > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. > Accurate... > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we > get to > have. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is > quite > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this > is > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, > you > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail > & > > spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 6 19:34:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:34:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... In-Reply-To: <3BE79669.3922E61F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c166f1$abffbce0$4e7343d4@a4s1s2> Jim said: "Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however." Heh! Heh! heh! You ain't kidding! I friend of mine once lived in a top-floor flat above a shop that had wooden floor boards you could bounce on. You only had to breath and the darned stylus would jump from one track on the record to the next! Why, even the traffic outside caused the critter to move! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Nov 6 19:47:51 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:47:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <003001c1663b$c38bb0a0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <3BE7067B.53024FA6@earthlink.net> <03a301c1665d$67bb3bc0$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE83057.92E73BA9@snip.net> Amen... Stephen Sank wrote: > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is quite > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this is > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, you > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail & > spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 20:04:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:04:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? References: <006e01c1661b$ce0ea160$1d299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003601c166f5$dd8fe420$a43442cf@sank1> Rane & Ashly both make similar active crossovers. The variable 4th order is done with a Linkwitz-Reilly circuit configuration in those. The Rane(AC-22 & AC-23) is a very good unit, especially with a fairly easy batch of upgrades. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? > > Guys, sorry if this is way off topic, > > Spec sheet of this dbx active xo says it is a 4th order with continuously > variable frequency and a 10x settings too (using salen key method ?). > > www.dbxpro.com/223.htm > > How is this possible ? I thought only 1st and 2nd order which can still > incorporate such frequency adjustment. Simple explanation, or links to > partial answer are more than welcome. I can only built a 100/150hz 4th > order which already requires so many switch contacts. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 6 20:07:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:07:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F587E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <003e01c166f6$3fcef400$a43442cf@sank1> Try doing the 5kHz adjustment with the signal recorded at -30dB or lower. This should do it. The adj simply balances the gains between the main & sub amp sections of the whole azimuth comparator circuit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > Thanks Stephen! > > Is there any other way to set the 5K balance right, than that described in > the Manual? I did everything as per Manual and I'm still a bit off as you > suppose... > > In short, how does that 5K balance work? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:58 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > It sounds like you have the 5kHz balance adjustments in the naac just > > slightly off yet. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:16 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > > > > Hi, my friend! > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Glad to hear from you. > > > > > > > > I can only answer the last question ... it's not OK ! > > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] You know, now I'm not quite sure, which *behavior* of > > that > > > beast is to be considered OK and which NOT OK. IME, every art of its > > > behaviour has both advantages (for the cost of drawbacks, naturally) and > > > shortcomings. At least, I couln't find any suitable compromise yet. > > > > > > > Mine used to do that > > > > but *somehow* in the process of tinkering with mechanical alignment, > > it > > > > stopped doing that. Now on quiet passages it just stayed on its last > > > > position. > > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Exactly how did my Dragon behave before recent > > re-alignment > > > - once tuned into, it stayed on the last position even on quiet > > passages! > > > That was the BIG plus! You'll ask, what forced me to re-align it? I'll > > tell > > > you what the minuses were: > > > > > > 1. When tuning into different, even "known good" tapes it, nevertheless, > > > desperately crackled way too frequently to be considered OK. > > > 2. When calibrating for a new, blank tape, it had NEVER been able to > > > position the PBH along the 15kHz test signal switched. The PBH just kept > > > fidgeting ang fidgeting without end, while the meters dancing about > > -20dB. > > > > > > To get the things right, I had to > > > > > > a) record a piece of some real music FIRST (thus getting the PBH > > *firmly* > > > aligned) and > > > b) ONLY THEN go back for the calibration process. > > > > > > 3. It seemed to me, that it did not *track* the azimuth changes > > throughout > > a > > > recorded tape OR did it sort of "under pressure". > > > > > > This is how it WAS. > > > > > > Then, as you know, I decided to follow the Service Manual hoping to fix > > the > > > problems just decribed... Below is how it IS now. > > > > > > 1. The calibration process is nothing short, but flawless now - the PBH > > gets > > > aligned after the built-in 15K tone in a 3-4 seconds. I don't have to > > > pre-record anything to go for the calibration. This time meters read in > > the > > > neigborhood of +/-0dB, just as they should. > > > 2. When tuning into different tapes (highl level, rich in highs signal > > > ASSUMED) it doesn't crackle ANYMORE - PBH gear buzzes, moves, but NEVER > > goes > > > off the *center point* too far, i.e. down to the crackling point. > > > > > > I hear you saying "Wow, this is great!". Well, here comes something to > > spoil > > > the fun. The machine is *supersensitive* now - it reacts to the > > slightest > > > changes in azimuth or even tape irregularities! When in complete silence > > > (amp off) and a tape playing back, I can distinctly hear the PBH gear > > > constantly *tune up* - this movement is very slight, but it is there. > > > > > > > Are swiveling guides & roller heights checked ok ? > > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] Salim, there's no doubt about it. > > > > > > > BTW, is the 682 still under bed ? > > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] The 682ZX is alive and kicking! All it took me to get > > it > > > working just right, was proper alignment of the heads and re-alignment > > of > > > the Auto-Az. section. That's it. Right now I'm fighting my 680ZX, which > > > turned to be almost completely dead transport-wise - worn out belts, > > BROWN > > > pinch rollers that NEVER knew any cleaning, dirt, grime, hardened > > grease, > > > layers of nicotin, dust of ages (thank God, there is no shit in > > there!)... > > > It lies in front of me... completely dismembered... stinking... ugly... > > I > > > would kill the previous owner... > > > > > > > How do you like it compared to dragon ...no comparison ? > > > > > > > [Igritski Nick] To be perfectly honest, I never liked the sound of > > Dragon > > > that much. I have heard 3 different Dragons (the one of mine aside) and > > > found even my 481 sounding much better to my ears. Honestly. Naturally, > > > there's nothing to be compared with the convenience of *tuning* > > capability > > > of the mighty Dragon, that's true. But the sound... Well, it's just my > > > personal opinion anyway. > > > > > > BTW, you can congratulate me upon getting a MINT!!! 1000 TriTracer > > > (19kg!!!!) in a VERY good shape accompanied with a Nakamichi Accessoires > > Set > > > (2 reference tapes, mirror tape, big cleaning stick, Q-tips, cleaning > > fluid, > > > rubbers to remove remnant cotton fibers off the heads and transport) > > > packaged into a sort of black velvet book-like case! > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon, NAAC > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > collective wisdom/experience is requested. > > > > > > > > > > When playing tapes with some constantly "dense" and rich in highs > > music > > > > > (e.g. Deep Purple) the NAAC of my Dragon behaves 100% OK. However, > > > > > sometimes, when it encounters low level fragments (e.g. sound of the > > > > wind) > > > > > or music lacking in highs, it starts to fidget, fidget, fidget... > > until > > > > it > > > > > EITHER develops into an annoying crackle, OR mercyfully stops > > fidgeting > > > > due > > > > > to encountering another *apt* (loud or rich in highs enough) > > fragment > > to > > > > > flawlessly tune into. All this gets especially annoying when > > recording - > > > > as > > > > > the RH and the PBH are located very closely, the mechanical > > fidgeting > > of > > > > the > > > > > latter in quiet sections seems to adversely affect the signal > > recorded > > > > on > > > > > tape. > > > > > > > > > > The funniest thing is that I recently completely adjusted and > > aligned > > my > > > > > Dragon as per Service Manual... > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, opinions? Maybe it's OK and I do simply want too much? > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 6 20:40:23 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:40:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Car audio inquiry References: <006e01c1661b$ce0ea160$1d299bca@smarzuki> <003601c166f5$dd8fe420$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BE83C9F.D9D5B414@pacbell.net> I am looking at new Nak mobile decks. Has anybody owned or had experience with the td-45, the 1000 td or the dac-41 mobile digital to analog converter. In general, is any of the new Nak mobile stuff any good? I can get a brand new td-45 installed for ~~ $250.00. No its not a td 700 or 1200, but I do not believe in extreme car audio, yet I would like something better than average and dependable. Thank you Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 20:40:06 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:40:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Car audio inquiry Message-ID: The TD45 is not that good, Stephen will tell you that it is OEM stuff. The 1000TD however, is another matter. If you can afford it, I would go for this, my understanding is that it is based on the TD700 but update to include CD changer control, so you get the best of both! >From: britri at pacbell.net >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Car audio inquiry >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:40:23 -0800 > >I am looking at new Nak mobile decks. Has anybody owned or had experience >with the >td-45, the 1000 td or the dac-41 mobile digital to analog converter. In >general, is >any of the new Nak mobile stuff any good? I can get a brand new td-45 >installed for >~~ $250.00. No its not a td 700 or 1200, but I do not believe in extreme >car audio, >yet I would like something better than average and dependable. > >Thank you > >Brian Stocker > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Nov 6 20:52:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:52:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? References: <006e01c1661b$ce0ea160$1d299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BE83F71.A455ACBD@concentric.net> They probably use a gang potentiometer. Take a look at the Rane AC-22 schematic (3rd sheet): http://www.rane.com/pdf/ac22sch.pdf -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Guys, sorry if this is way off topic, > > Spec sheet of this dbx active xo says it is a 4th order with continuously > variable frequency and a 10x settings too (using salen key method ?). > > www.dbxpro.com/223.htm > > How is this possible ? I thought only 1st and 2nd order which can still > incorporate such frequency adjustment. Simple explanation, or links to > partial answer are more than welcome. I can only built a 100/150hz 4th > order which already requires so many switch contacts. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 21:29:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:29:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up fordiscussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFC9@CPT-01> <3BE823A7.8104E058@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BE8482F.7F3FB247@earthlink.net> The key is to keep the amount of reflective, absorptive and refractive elements in balance and absorb the first few reflection points as completely as possible. Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > That is an interesting take on this discussion, Neal. Homes and rooms are, more or > less, inflexible. What are some basic essentials that will improve MOST listening > rooms? Carpet vs. hard surfaces, drapery, shades, louver, vs. glass, etc.? > > Brian Stocker > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > change really. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] > > Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's > > no denying > > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral > > solid state > > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube > > piece too, > > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both > > setups > > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort > > of > > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes > > playing with > > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the > > secondary system > > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. > > Accurate... > > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we > > get to > > have. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is > > quite > > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this > > is > > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, > > you > > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail > > & > > > spaciousness. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 21:37:19 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:37:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <000f01c166f1$abffbce0$4e7343d4@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BE849FF.D7A5D1A1@earthlink.net> = ) Sagging wooden floors also affect the ability of the room to deliver tight, tuneful bass response. Most of my customers listen to primarily CDs and the most of the homes in the San Francisco bay area were built after the 1920s. Also, we live in earthquake land and most of the structures built after 1906 are relatively seismically sound (pun intended!). Acoustically isolation isn't much of an issue for most of my customers who do listen to vinyl. At least not to the point where the stylus actually skips, anyway! = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim said: "Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however." > > Heh! Heh! heh! You ain't kidding! I friend of mine once lived in a > top-floor flat above a shop that had wooden floor boards you could bounce > on. You only had to breath and the darned stylus would jump from one track > on the record to the next! Why, even the traffic outside caused the > critter to move! > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 6 22:37:28 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:37:28 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365ADF@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Hope everyone is well. I have a small hair pulling experience with aligning my naks. To start with I don't have any nak alignment tapes nor do I have any solid experience with proper alignment techniques, anyway here's my story. I have a 3 3 head decks, 2 naks (bx300 & zx9) and 1 brand I rather not mention (starts with t ends with c). If I record a tape with the "unknown" brand and play them on my car units/walkman the sound is great, If I record the same piece of music on the same tape from one of my naks and replay them on the car units/walkman one side sound reasonable and the other side sounds dull keeping in mind that the car units/walkman are auto reverse (non-flipping head type). If I physically flip the tape over on the car units/walkman it sounds marginally better. I tried to create a test tape by connecting my function generator to the "unknown" tape deck and recorded a 400Hz signal and a 15KHz signal. I played it back onto the naks and adjusted the alignment screw to obtain the max reading on the peak levels. Mind you I stupidly mistook the head height screw (I think that's the screw next to the alignment screw) and I think that's probably why I'm in the shit! I remember Matyas posting an e-mail with a method of adjusting head height but I'm not confident that my skill are up to it to do what Matyas suggests. Anyone out there with thoughts/experiences/suggestions? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 6 23:00:41 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:00:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCB@CPT-01> Message-ID: <00b701c1670e$7a078200$e5ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Neal two things that will help first damp the first reflection of the speaker to the floor by using one of those large cushions in front of each speaker (you can move them when not listening) You can also try a brightstar box or seismic sink under each speaker to damp the energy from the speaker to the floor. when you add the wall hangings try and hang them over the first reflection from each speaker on the side walls and also try and hang them in such away that they are not touching the wall but have space between the rug lets say and the wall Try and place a bookshelf at the rear wall to diffuse the sound and breakup the rear wall reflections. As for corners its bass you want to breakup so a bass trap from RPG could also double as a nice plant stand HTH Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... > The problem is that the house is old and has beautiful wooden floors, not > sagging though. covering with a carpet unfortunately goes against my > girlfriend and my taste (unless i can find an expensive persian that i > like). this is were audio and aesthetics collide....we are adding a lot of > cushions on the floor so it will end up like a morrocan den hopefully this > along with a few hangings and a bookshelf will help with the acoustics. i've > also been told to work on the corners as the sound tends to reflect there. > > a few other issues with the room. it is rectangular but the fireplace means > that the hi-fi has to run on one of the long sides. the ceilings are high, > over 3 meters. the walls will get some hangings over time. > > i worked on eliminating feedback through the wooden floors back to the hi-fi > by putting isolation cones under the CD player and turntable (i call them > isolation cones but they are from some danish company you put three of them > in a triangle under your equipment). it certainly made a huge improvement to > the sound, tightened up the base. the wooden floors still vibrate if the > hi-fi is played loud. attaching the turntable/ CD player directly to the > wall is a no no with my girlfriend. > > i'll be interested in any other ideas you have, understanding that > aesthetics may stand in the way. > > regards > neal > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: 06 November 2001 09:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > By the way, Neal. a wooden floor isn't necessarily bad, as long as the > floor isn't bare. If it is, I'd suggest experimenting with a rug and > varying amounts of carpet padding underneath. You might be surprised at > the results. > > For what it's worth, I'd take a wooden floor over a poured concrete or > tiled floor any day, as long as the the wooden floor is supported well > from underneath. Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might > add > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop > tweaking > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and > the > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim > has > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics > every > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > change really. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 6 22:59:35 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:59:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Does anyone know how to set the date and time on the MZR50 minidisc recorder. I picked up one for $195 Aust on the weekend and have no manual for it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 23:28:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:28:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCB@CPT-01> <00b701c1670e$7a078200$e5ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BE86408.4F8C7C81@earthlink.net> Damn Warren, you're good. I agree completely!! = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > Hi Neal > > two things that will help > first damp the first reflection of the speaker to the floor > by using one of those large cushions in front of each speaker > (you can move them when not listening) > You can also try a brightstar box or seismic sink under each speaker > to damp the energy from the speaker to the floor. > when you add the wall hangings try and hang them over the first reflection > from each speaker on the side walls and also try and hang them in such away > that > they are not touching the wall but have space between the rug lets say > and the wall > Try and place a bookshelf at the rear wall to diffuse the sound and breakup > the rear wall reflections. As for corners its bass you want to breakup > so a bass trap from RPG could also double as a nice plant stand > HTH > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > The problem is that the house is old and has beautiful wooden floors, not > > sagging though. covering with a carpet unfortunately goes against my > > girlfriend and my taste (unless i can find an expensive persian that i > > like). this is were audio and aesthetics collide....we are adding a lot of > > cushions on the floor so it will end up like a morrocan den hopefully this > > along with a few hangings and a bookshelf will help with the acoustics. > i've > > also been told to work on the corners as the sound tends to reflect there. > > > > a few other issues with the room. it is rectangular but the fireplace > means > > that the hi-fi has to run on one of the long sides. the ceilings are > high, > > over 3 meters. the walls will get some hangings over time. > > > > i worked on eliminating feedback through the wooden floors back to the > hi-fi > > by putting isolation cones under the CD player and turntable (i call them > > isolation cones but they are from some danish company you put three of > them > > in a triangle under your equipment). it certainly made a huge improvement > to > > the sound, tightened up the base. the wooden floors still vibrate if the > > hi-fi is played loud. attaching the turntable/ CD player directly to the > > wall is a no no with my girlfriend. > > > > i'll be interested in any other ideas you have, understanding that > > aesthetics may stand in the way. > > > > regards > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > > Sent: 06 November 2001 09:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > > > By the way, Neal. a wooden floor isn't necessarily bad, as long as the > > floor isn't bare. If it is, I'd suggest experimenting with a rug and > > varying amounts of carpet padding underneath. You might be surprised at > > the results. > > > > For what it's worth, I'd take a wooden floor over a poured concrete or > > tiled floor any day, as long as the the wooden floor is supported well > > from underneath. Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might > > add > > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in > the > > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in > the > > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop > > tweaking > > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and > > the > > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim > > has > > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics > > every > > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > > change really. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 6 23:56:41 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:56:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> My handle is also obvious - tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2001 6:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #1471 In the spirit of that suggestion, it would also be helpful if we didn't "advertise" eBay items of interest on Naktalk, creating more potential competition for that item amongst the members of this list. I say let the individual whose interested in an item do their homework if they are looking for a good deal. If we know of a particular member who has expressed interest in an item and that item has become available on eBay, email that person directly. I welcome your thoughts. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Perhaps we should all make known our ebay handles so we can avoid competing > unduly with each other. Mine is obvious as "stephensank". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 00:41:38 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:41:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20011106234138.75211.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I have that model. I'll scan and send you the manual. I has a lot of little features that you won't be able to figure out without it. SJ --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to set the date and time on > the MZR50 minidisc recorder. I picked up one for > $195 Aust on the weekend and have no manual for it. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Nov 7 02:02:09 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:02:09 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Scott, Thanks for the offer, I'll await your e-mail. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2001 10:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. I have that model. I'll scan and send you the manual. I has a lot of little features that you won't be able to figure out without it. SJ --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to set the date and time on > the MZR50 minidisc recorder. I picked up one for > $195 Aust on the weekend and have no manual for it. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 04:20:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:20:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. References: <20011106234138.75211.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BE8A86B.5C8310A0@earthlink.net> Scott, I have a computer question for you. When you scan and send a document do you scan it as a jpg file or do you use some kind of character recognition software and store it as a word file. I know that high resolution jpg files can be huge at there for difficult to email, given the size of the recipients "mail box." Thanks in advance! Jim Volpatti Scott Johnson wrote: > > I have that model. I'll scan and send you the manual. > I has a lot of little features that you won't be able > to figure out without it. > > SJ > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know how to set the date and time on > > the MZR50 minidisc recorder. I picked up one for > > $195 Aust on the weekend and have no manual for it. > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 7 05:34:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:34:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? Message-ID: <20011107043413.ZFUG5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thank you very much Ron, mine use different design probably with fewer number of opamps but apparently less flexible. That's very generous of Rane posting their design on the net ... how come they're not afraid that somebody will produce a commercial copy from that design ? I don't think it's patented or anything. Best regards, Salim SM > > They probably use a gang potentiometer. Take a look > at the Rane AC-22 schematic (3rd sheet): > > http://www.rane.com/pdf/ac22sch.pdf > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 7 06:35:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:35:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365ADF@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <00c901c1674d$fca1f620$a43442cf@sank1> This is a job for the Nakamikaze! But I'll make one suggestion. Take the tape you made on the Teac & then adjust the Nak's height screw to maximize 400Hz level, then do azimuth with the 15kHz section, then repeat both steps. This should at least get you back in the ballpark. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! > Hi all, > > Hope everyone is well. I have a small hair pulling experience with aligning my naks. To start with I don't have any nak alignment tapes nor do I have any solid experience with proper alignment techniques, anyway here's my story. I have a 3 3 head decks, 2 naks (bx300 & zx9) and 1 brand I rather not mention (starts with t ends with c). If I record a tape with the "unknown" brand and play them on my car units/walkman the sound is great, If I record the same piece of music on the same tape from one of my naks and replay them on the car units/walkman one side sound reasonable and the other side sounds dull keeping in mind that the car units/walkman are auto reverse (non-flipping head type). If I physically flip the tape over on the car units/walkman it sounds marginally better. > > I tried to create a test tape by connecting my function generator to the "unknown" tape deck and recorded a 400Hz signal and a 15KHz signal. I played it back onto the naks and adjusted the alignment screw to obtain the max reading on the peak levels. Mind you I stupidly mistook the head height screw (I think that's the screw next to the alignment screw) and I think that's probably why I'm in the shit! I remember Matyas posting an e-mail with a method of adjusting head height but I'm not confident that my skill are up to it to do what Matyas suggests. > > Anyone out there with thoughts/experiences/suggestions? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Nov 7 08:22:20 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:22:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up fordiscuss ion.... Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCE@CPT-01> which are likely to be the first few reflective points?. the wall facing the speakers and the corners also facing the speakers. why do so many sound rooms have accoustic panels in the corners behind the speakers?? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: 06 November 2001 22:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up fordiscussion.... The key is to keep the amount of reflective, absorptive and refractive elements in balance and absorb the first few reflection points as completely as possible. Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > That is an interesting take on this discussion, Neal. Homes and rooms are, more or > less, inflexible. What are some basic essentials that will improve MOST listening > rooms? Carpet vs. hard surfaces, drapery, shades, louver, vs. glass, etc.? > > Brian Stocker > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might add > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in the > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in the > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop tweaking > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and the > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim has > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics every > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > change really. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] > > Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that there's > > no denying > > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very neutral > > solid state > > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding tube > > piece too, > > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both > > setups > > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a sort > > of > > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes > > playing with > > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the > > secondary system > > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. > > Accurate... > > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun we > > get to > > have. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is > > quite > > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that sound > > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that this > > is > > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio cables, > > you > > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end detail > > & > > > spaciousness. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list that > > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better than > > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but I've > > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products are > > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on the > > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the system > > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping them > > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to say > > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context of a > > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in sound > > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's situation > > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if need > > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well what > > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 7 09:03:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:03:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Message-ID: <20011107080330.EBTX5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Before Nakamikaze hits the street, pls download one of the 3 head deck manuals (i think you have bx300 manual) to look at the right screws ... and remember to draw or mark 'correct' position. Can't stress enough of Stephen's recommendation to repeat 400-15k alignment steps as you won't get it right on first run. Align the rec head only after you get the pb head right - and be prepared to tweak pb head again, as a way-off rec head position also affects pb response (and finally back to rec head again :-) Good luck & be patient ! Salim SM > This is a job for the Nakamikaze! But I'll make one suggestion. Take the > tape you made on the Teac & then adjust the Nak's height screw to maximize > 400Hz level, then do azimuth with the 15kHz section, then repeat both steps. > This should at least get you back in the ballpark. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! > > > > Hi all, > > > > Hope everyone is well. I have a small hair pulling experience with > aligning my naks. To start with I don't have any nak alignment tapes nor do > I have any solid experience with proper alignment techniques, anyway here's > my story. I have a 3 3 head decks, 2 naks (bx300 & zx9) and 1 brand I rather > not mention (starts with t ends with c). If I record a tape with the > "unknown" brand and play them on my car units/walkman the sound is great, If > I record the same piece of music on the same tape from one of my naks and > replay them on the car units/walkman one side sound reasonable and the other > side sounds dull keeping in mind that the car units/walkman are auto reverse > (non-flipping head type). If I physically flip the tape over on the car > units/walkman it sounds marginally better. > > > > I tried to create a test tape by connecting my function generator to the > "unknown" tape deck and recorded a 400Hz signal and a 15KHz signal. I played > it back onto the naks and adjusted the alignment screw to obtain the max > reading on the peak levels. Mind you I stupidly mistook the head height > screw (I think that's the screw next to the alignment screw) and I think > that's probably why I'm in the shit! I remember Matyas posting an e-mail > with a method of adjusting head height but I'm not confident that my skill > are up to it to do what Matyas suggests. > > > > Anyone out there with thoughts/experiences/suggestions? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Nov 7 08:58:51 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:58:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for dis cussion.... Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCF@CPT-01> we actually spent some time last night playing with speaker positions and have made some major improvements. the depth of the soundstage has improved dramatically by moving the speakers even further from the rear wall and a little closer, its like getting a new piece of equipment. thanks for the input -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: 07 November 2001 00:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... Damn Warren, you're good. I agree completely!! = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > Hi Neal > > two things that will help > first damp the first reflection of the speaker to the floor > by using one of those large cushions in front of each speaker > (you can move them when not listening) > You can also try a brightstar box or seismic sink under each speaker > to damp the energy from the speaker to the floor. > when you add the wall hangings try and hang them over the first reflection > from each speaker on the side walls and also try and hang them in such away > that > they are not touching the wall but have space between the rug lets say > and the wall > Try and place a bookshelf at the rear wall to diffuse the sound and breakup > the rear wall reflections. As for corners its bass you want to breakup > so a bass trap from RPG could also double as a nice plant stand > HTH > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > > The problem is that the house is old and has beautiful wooden floors, not > > sagging though. covering with a carpet unfortunately goes against my > > girlfriend and my taste (unless i can find an expensive persian that i > > like). this is were audio and aesthetics collide....we are adding a lot of > > cushions on the floor so it will end up like a morrocan den hopefully this > > along with a few hangings and a bookshelf will help with the acoustics. > i've > > also been told to work on the corners as the sound tends to reflect there. > > > > a few other issues with the room. it is rectangular but the fireplace > means > > that the hi-fi has to run on one of the long sides. the ceilings are > high, > > over 3 meters. the walls will get some hangings over time. > > > > i worked on eliminating feedback through the wooden floors back to the > hi-fi > > by putting isolation cones under the CD player and turntable (i call them > > isolation cones but they are from some danish company you put three of > them > > in a triangle under your equipment). it certainly made a huge improvement > to > > the sound, tightened up the base. the wooden floors still vibrate if the > > hi-fi is played loud. attaching the turntable/ CD player directly to the > > wall is a no no with my girlfriend. > > > > i'll be interested in any other ideas you have, understanding that > > aesthetics may stand in the way. > > > > regards > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > > Sent: 06 November 2001 09:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > discussion.... > > > > > > By the way, Neal. a wooden floor isn't necessarily bad, as long as the > > floor isn't bare. If it is, I'd suggest experimenting with a rug and > > varying amounts of carpet padding underneath. You might be surprised at > > the results. > > > > For what it's worth, I'd take a wooden floor over a poured concrete or > > tiled floor any day, as long as the the wooden floor is supported well > > from underneath. Sagging, old wood floors can be problematic however. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might > > add > > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in > the > > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in > the > > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop > > tweaking > > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and > > the > > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim > > has > > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics > > every > > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > > change really. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 10:01:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:01:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCB@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE8F865.CFCB3DAC@earthlink.net> Hello Neal, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your room would most likely sound 100% better if you had a rug covering at least 75% of your floor, especially if your ceilings are over ten feet high. If the ceiling is parallel to the floor, all the standing waves created by parallel reflective surfaces is most assuredly wreaking havoc on the sound of your room. Of course, I know very little about the rest of your room but if it is sparsely decorated and is of decent size, I can't imagine that you're getting very good results as far as listening pleasure is concerned. Also, if by hangings you are referring to art pieces made of fabric, this will have very little affect, especially given the thickness of even the heaviest fabric. Because drapes tend to be quite large and often very heavy this would definitely be desirable in a room that is too reflective, especially if the drape hangs in front of reflective glass. My first recommendation would be to get some carpet on that floor though. I would at least recommend that you get your hands on a large rug and try it. You might be VERY surprised at the improvement. You can then decide if the look of the bare floor is worth the poor room acoustics. You might be surprised that the rug and drapes will not only increase your listening experience, the pyschoacoustic affects will make the any time spent in the room more enjoyable, regardless whether you're listening to music or not. Good luck! Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > The problem is that the house is old and has beautiful wooden floors, not > sagging though. covering with a carpet unfortunately goes against my > girlfriend and my taste (unless i can find an expensive persian that i > like). this is were audio and aesthetics collide....we are adding a lot of > cushions on the floor so it will end up like a morrocan den hopefully this > along with a few hangings and a bookshelf will help with the acoustics. i've > also been told to work on the corners as the sound tends to reflect there. > > a few other issues with the room. it is rectangular but the fireplace means > that the hi-fi has to run on one of the long sides. the ceilings are high, > over 3 meters. the walls will get some hangings over time. > > i worked on eliminating feedback through the wooden floors back to the hi-fi > by putting isolation cones under the CD player and turntable (i call them > isolation cones but they are from some danish company you put three of them > in a triangle under your equipment). it certainly made a huge improvement to > the sound, tightened up the base. the wooden floors still vibrate if the > hi-fi is played loud. attaching the turntable/ CD player directly to the > wall is a no no with my girlfriend. > > i'll be interested in any other ideas you have, understanding that > aesthetics may stand in the way. > > regards > neal ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 10:53:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:53:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up fordiscussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCE@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE90486.B854C547@earthlink.net> Hello Neal, The first reflection points exist on the walls, ceiling and floor nearest the speakers and the listening position. You can find them by asking a friend to hold a medium sized mirror against the walls, ceiling and floor in front of the listening position. Sit in the listening position ask your friend to shift the mirror around, keeping it flat against the surface. Where ever you can see either of your speakers in the reflection of the mirror is where a first reflection points exists. Mark these areas with a bit of masking tape so that you know which areas to treat. Keep in mind that dedicated broad band diffusers and absorbers are quite expensive and don't look very appealing in the average living room. Acoustical foam is only effective down to roughly 800 hz and is almost useless in treating first reflections. As far as corner treatment is concerned, sounds tends to collect in the corners and can have a surprising affect on room acoustics. For example, all low frequency room modes are excited equally in corners which explains why tube traps are used almost exclusively in this part of the room. Hope this helps. Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > which are likely to be the first few reflective points?. the wall facing the > speakers and the corners also facing the speakers. > why do so many sound rooms have accoustic panels in the corners behind the > speakers?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: 06 November 2001 22:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up > fordiscussion.... > > The key is to keep the amount of reflective, absorptive and refractive > elements in balance and absorb the first few reflection points as > completely as possible. > > Jim Volpatti > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > That is an interesting take on this discussion, Neal. Homes and rooms > are, more or > > less, inflexible. What are some basic essentials that will improve MOST > listening > > rooms? Carpet vs. hard surfaces, drapery, shades, louver, vs. glass, > etc.? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > > A friend of mine who like Jim installs (and builds systems), and i might > add > > > has a great ear, always tells his clients that the greatest system in > the > > > worse accoustic setup can sound worse than a relatively poor system in > the > > > perfect accoustic setup. he in fact has told me that i should stop > tweaking > > > until the accoustics of my room are sorted out (i have wooden floors and > the > > > system because of a fire place can only go in one area). so i think Jim > has > > > a point and so does stephen. if the room isn't perfect then some systems > > > synergy may sound better than others. in a room with great accoustics > every > > > "improvement" should come through, i say improvement advisedly, i mean > > > change really. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] > > > Sent: 06 November 2001 05:55 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > > discussion.... > > > > > > While I tend to agree with this approach, I also tend to think that > there's > > > no denying > > > that everything interacts in some way... my Spectral pre is a very > neutral > > > solid state > > > piece and the Melos pre I'm playing with is also a very nice sounding > tube > > > piece too, > > > but the results with the Moscode amp are not at all identical with both > > > setups > > > sounding quite good in different ways. It's subtle, but it is still a > sort > > > of > > > "synergy" that I think is unavoidable to a degree. This is what makes > > > playing with > > > audio gear so much fun in a way... just hooked up a Mac MA-230 in the > > > secondary system > > > the other night and fell head over heels for the "romance" of the sound. > > > Accurate... > > > not at all. To die for in a musical sort of way... Absolutely! What fun > we > > > get to > > > have. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > "Synergy" to me implies deficiencies in the equipment. My approach is > > > quite > > > > opposite. I strive to find/build/mod/etc. system components that > sound > > > > great regardless of what they are mated with. I firmly believe that > this > > > is > > > > the only way to achieve any real transparency. For example, if one is > > > > taming edgy top end on a Krell amp with rolled-off Purist Audio > cables, > > > you > > > > get a nice, smooth sound, but positively at the expense of top end > detail > > > & > > > > spaciousness. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:36 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > > > > discussion.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed over the last year or so that I've been on this list > that > > > > > there has been quite a lot of discussion about product A is better > than > > > > > product B or that product A is great in a very general sense, but > I've > > > > > not once read anything about issues of synergy. While some products > are > > > > > clearer better than others, usually what sounds best is dependent on > the > > > > > individual listening room (the biggest variable of all) and the > system > > > > > itself. This is the main reason that I do 95% of my business in my > > > > > customer's homes. I spend hours and hours with my customers helping > them > > > > > select the exact product that works best in their given situation. > > > > > > > > > > One other thing. This hobby is an extremely subject one. Whose to > say > > > > > that product A is really better than product B, even in the context > of a > > > > > given system or listening room. We all have different tastes in > sound > > > > > quality and we all actually perceive sound differently. I definitely > > > > > have my opinion about what sounds best in a given customer's > situation > > > > > but I ALWAYS default to what the customer prefers. I'm only in their > > > > > home to present options, offer perspective, educate the customer if > need > > > > > be and allow the customer to buy with confidence, knowing full well > what > > > > > the product or system will sound like in their given situation. > > > > > > > > > > Stepping off of my pedestal... > > > > > > > > > > Hope this offers some perspective on this crazy hobby of ours. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > named > > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 11:05:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They create competition between those of us who already knew about an item and those who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of posting really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let them find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are interested in it. Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, Kannan. I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 11:07:52 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:07:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3BE907F8.B0747C08@earthlink.net> ooops! I just clicked on the link. I was assuming that the item was a relatively expensive item. My thoughts still stand in concept though. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 11:17:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:17:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for discussion.... References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFCF@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3BE90A29.65315CE1@earthlink.net> One of things achieved by moving speakers closer to the listening position and further from the wall is that it tips the proportion of reflected sound to direct sound in the direction of direct sound. In doing so, you are actually able to hear more of the recording and less of the room. This is why some guys enjoy near field listening (loosely defined as speakers placed less than 6' feet from the listening position) especially if their room sounds like caca. Most monitoring in recording studios is done this way too, with the control room monitors just above the mixing console. An recording engineer needs to hear the music coming from the studio, not the sound of the control room and this technique can work very well in that regard. Jim Volpatti Neal Walker wrote: > > we actually spent some time last night playing with speaker positions and > have made some major improvements. the depth of the soundstage has improved > dramatically by moving the speakers even further from the rear wall and a > little closer, its like getting a new piece of equipment. > > thanks for the input > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: 07 November 2001 00:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just a random thought I'd like to put up for > discussion.... > > Damn Warren, you're good. I agree completely!! = ) > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 11:19:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:19:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <3BE90AB6.B3F989F7@earthlink.net> Not that it really matters to me but who is jal-najim at valspar.com?? Jim Volpatti George Valkov wrote: > > And the current high bidder's handle looks like one of us Naktalkers -:). > > George > (No, it's not me !) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Kannan. S" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "naktalk" > Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:11:09 +0530 > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 7 11:47:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:47:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <20011107104725.HYEV5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Never seen a post from this guy. For sure it wasn't me, although I need a black colored pitch knob for my deck. BTW my handle is 'penawar' (bidder in indonesian) but I rarely bid, too much hassle for intl payment. Salim SM > Not that it really matters to me but who is jal-najim at valspar.com?? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > > And the current high bidder's handle looks like one of us Naktalkers -:). > > > > George > > (No, it's not me !) > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Kannan. S" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: "naktalk" > > Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:11:09 +0530 > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > Kannan > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 12:50:09 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:50:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: My 2 cents: I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high for me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the family" - Stephen got them. It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that he (she?) can E-mailed privately. On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to obtain a specific item to turn it into a real issue. I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jim Volpatti Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:55 -0800 These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They create competition between those of us who already knew about an item and those who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of posting really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let them find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are interested in it. Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, Kannan. I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 12:54:51 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:54:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: I seem to recall posts from a certain Scott Al-Najim, who owns (among others, I guess) either a 1000ZXL or a 1000 ZXL Limited. I could be wrong. Or it could be messages on naks.com board ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jim Volpatti Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:19:34 -0800 Not that it really matters to me but who is jal-najim at valspar.com?? Jim Volpatti George Valkov wrote: > > And the current high bidder's handle looks like one of us Naktalkers -:). > > George > (No, it's not me !) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Kannan. S" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "naktalk" > Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:11:09 +0530 > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 14:02:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 05:02:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <3BE930FD.2944D85C@earthlink.net> Well said, George. Anyone else? Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! 415 928-2990 George Valkov wrote: > > My 2 cents: > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high for > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > family" - Stephen got them. > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to obtain > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Jim Volpatti > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:55 -0800 > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They create > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and those > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of posting > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let them > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > interested in it. > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, Kannan. > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > Jim Volpatti > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > Kannan > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 15:06:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:06:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <001f01c166cc$52ae4a00$73299bca@smarzuki> I completely agree with George ... it's only my first year here and I feel like knowing most of you guys, more like close friends instead of just another mailing list. I've been enjoying links that were posted here - which possibly increased competition, however, as Stephen mentioned, he usually won't put bid ahead of others that he already knew, so maybe it'll be more like a 'family' competition. Even if it's an item of our interests, I'd feel better knowing that, say, Scott won the auction rather than a complete stranger. Keeping it discreet has always been an option anyway. Only 1 out 10 auctions that sometimes I wished it went undiscovered :-). Well maybe it's not a fair comment as I rarely bid in the first place, so I leave it to the 'activists' to share their preferences. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > My 2 cents: > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high for > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > family" - Stephen got them. > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to obtain > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > George > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 15:40:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 06:40:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <001f01c166cc$52ae4a00$73299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BE947CB.14D07C47@earthlink.net> Another good point. Perhaps my opinion is being swayed. I'd still love to hear others' thoughts on this matter. Like Clinton, I'm a consensus builder. In the process, the collective opinions help form mine. I just throw out an idea, let you guys process all the possible synarios (spell check, spell check, where's the damn spell check when I need one??) for me and then I take the parts I like, throw out the rest and form my own opinion. It's the lazy man's approach, I suppose. Or perhaps, 125 heads really are better than one. By the way, anyone know how many NakTalkers we have on our list?? Please excuse my babbling. I've now been up for 22 hours and it is 6:38 in the morning. The sun is rising and it's time for me to get a few winks before I get up again. ZZZzzzzzzz.... = ) Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I completely agree with George ... it's only my first year here and I feel > like knowing most of you guys, more like close friends instead of just > another mailing list. > > I've been enjoying links that were posted here - which possibly increased > competition, however, as Stephen mentioned, he usually won't put bid ahead > of others that he already knew, so maybe it'll be more like a 'family' > competition. Even if it's an item of our interests, I'd feel better knowing > that, say, Scott won the auction rather than a complete stranger. Keeping > it discreet has always been an option anyway. Only 1 out 10 auctions that > sometimes I wished it went undiscovered :-). > > Well maybe it's not a fair comment as I rarely bid in the first place, so I > leave it to the 'activists' to share their preferences. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > My 2 cents: > > > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high > for > > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > > family" - Stephen got them. > > > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to > obtain > > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > > > George > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 7 19:08:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:08:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony MZ R50 minidisc recorder. References: <20011106234138.75211.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <3BE8A86B.5C8310A0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BE9788C.13429AD1@concentric.net> Unless the document has some graphics features that you want to preserve, do not scan it, but send the file in its native format. This ensures the highest readability, plus allows the recipient to edit. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Scott, > > I have a computer question for you. When you scan and send a document do > you scan it as a jpg file or do you use some kind of character > recognition software and store it as a word file. I know that high > resolution jpg files can be huge at there for difficult to email, given > the size of the recipients "mail box." > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim Volpatti > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > I have that model. I'll scan and send you the manual. > > I has a lot of little features that you won't be able > > to figure out without it. > > > > SJ > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Does anyone know how to set the date and time on > > > the MZR50 minidisc recorder. I picked up one for > > > $195 Aust on the weekend and have no manual for it. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 7 19:10:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:10:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <140.43554f0.291ad318@aol.com> I guess I should chime in as I often share Nak links with this group. I can say that the people on this list are friends, so I don't want to compete with anyone here and so Stephen and Jim's points are well taken. I can attest that everyone in this group has been a HUGE help when I was searching for a CR-7, a CR-5, and whatever else I was looking for. So I appreciate the help and share links to unique Nak items as a way of saying thanks. I'm sure some of those links have helped someone find something they were looking for, but maybe didn't have the time that I have at the moment to search. Just my 2 cents...and by the way, once I'm working again I will be looking for a pristine Dragon. (wink) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 7 19:13:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:13:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? References: <20011107043413.ZFUG5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3BE979B9.328FEA78@concentric.net> You'll note they were careful *not* to include component values for the filters... In any case, their design uses a four-gang potentiometer to allow continuous frequency adjustment. You can do the same with other designs as well. Just make sure that all circuit segments have the same frequency to resistance relationship and that the pot is of high enough quality to assure proper tracking of the ganged sections. -- Ron smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > Thank you very much Ron, mine use different design probably with fewer > number of opamps but apparently less flexible. That's very generous of Rane > posting their design on the net ... how come they're not afraid that > somebody will produce a commercial copy from that design ? I don't think > it's patented or anything. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > > They probably use a gang potentiometer. Take a look > > at the Rane AC-22 schematic (3rd sheet): > > > > http://www.rane.com/pdf/ac22sch.pdf > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 18:19:19 2001 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:19:19 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 7 19:43:13 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:43:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding frenzy! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 Brian Stocker Jim Volpatti wrote: > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They create > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and those > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of posting > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let them > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > interested in it. > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, Kannan. > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > Jim Volpatti > > "Kannan. 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 7 20:14:08 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:14:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Headphones References: Message-ID: <3BE987F9.448E09C0@pacbell.net> Glad to be of help. Be sure to cut out the centers and reverse/flip the rings inside out. They become a little thicker and more cushy and, I am told, more closely match the thickness of the originals. Brian Stocker Vinod Kumar wrote: > > > Thankyou Brian.... I got the ear pads and they are a perfect fit for > SP-7... > >From: britri at pacbell.net > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:02:57 -0800 > > > >Click here: > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F002%5F001%5F008%5F000&product%5Fid=33%2D379 > > > > >Brian Stocker > > > >Vinod Kumar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for a pair of ear pads for my SP-7 too. Brian, could > you > > > please tell me the model number for those ear pads that you > purchased > > > at Radio Shack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinod > > > >From: britri at pacbell.net > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Headphones > > > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:38:42 -0800 > > > > > > > >I just bought pads at Radioshack for Stephen and me. They fit > > > perfectly and all you need > > > >to do is carefully cut the center of the pad out as the nak pads, > > > > which are no longer > > > >available, are more of a ring than a fully covered pad. My sp-7's > are > > > now good as new > > > >for a meager $5.99. Occasionally radioshack is good for > something. > > > > > > > >Brian Stocker > > > > > > > >Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Note that the ear pads are missing. Are replacements > > > > > even available from Nakamichi? > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe these are the models Stephen recommended: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290849998 > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy bidding! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 7 20:01:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:01:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <3BE930FD.2944D85C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c167be$a44de4e0$6f4887d9@a4s1s2> I concur, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 November 2001 13:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Well said, George. Anyone else? Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! 415 928-2990 George Valkov wrote: > > My 2 cents: > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high for > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > family" - Stephen got them. > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to obtain > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > George > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 20:11:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:11:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? References: <20011107043413.ZFUG5389.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <3BE979B9.328FEA78@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000d01c166f6$d4f99940$55299bca@smarzuki> Looks like the ganged pot plays crucial role in freq cutoff 'quality'. BTW they were not careful enough that the values of caps & resistors are included on "ac22 mods" document. :-) Again thanks much for the explanation. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: active crossover 4th order with variable frequency - how ? > > You'll note they were careful *not* to include component > values for the filters... In any case, their design uses > a four-gang potentiometer to allow continuous frequency > adjustment. You can do the same with other designs as > well. Just make sure that all circuit segments have the > same frequency to resistance relationship and that the > pot is of high enough quality to assure proper tracking > of the ganged sections. > > -- Ron > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 6 20:12:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:12:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000e01c166f7$1a256c60$55299bca@smarzuki> LOL Brian ! Though it looks more like a Nakamichi, rare silver limited edition ... Good night, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding frenzy! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > Brian Stocker > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 7 20:15:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:15:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <001f01c166cc$52ae4a00$73299bca@smarzuki> <3BE947CB.14D07C47@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BE9884A.D65D4EEF@concentric.net> Personally, I enjoy seeing what's available on ebay and elsewhere. I do not search ebay often, so welcome the posts here. To prevent excessive competition between list members, I would suggest that anyone bidding post this fact here. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Another good point. Perhaps my opinion is being swayed. > > I'd still love to hear others' thoughts on this matter. Like Clinton, > I'm a consensus builder. In the process, the collective opinions help > form mine. I just throw out an idea, let you guys process all the > possible synarios (spell check, spell check, where's the damn spell > check when I need one??) for me and then I take the parts I like, throw > out the rest and form my own opinion. It's the lazy man's approach, I > suppose. Or perhaps, 125 heads really are better than one. > > By the way, anyone know how many NakTalkers we have on our list?? > > Please excuse my babbling. I've now been up for 22 hours and it is 6:38 > in the morning. The sun is rising and it's time for me to get a few > winks before I get up again. > > ZZZzzzzzzz.... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > I completely agree with George ... it's only my first year here and I feel > > like knowing most of you guys, more like close friends instead of just > > another mailing list. > > > > I've been enjoying links that were posted here - which possibly increased > > competition, however, as Stephen mentioned, he usually won't put bid ahead > > of others that he already knew, so maybe it'll be more like a 'family' > > competition. Even if it's an item of our interests, I'd feel better knowing > > that, say, Scott won the auction rather than a complete stranger. Keeping > > it discreet has always been an option anyway. Only 1 out 10 auctions that > > sometimes I wished it went undiscovered :-). > > > > Well maybe it's not a fair comment as I rarely bid in the first place, so I > > leave it to the 'activists' to share their preferences. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > > > My 2 cents: > > > > > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > > > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > > > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > > > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > > > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > > > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > > > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > > > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high > > for > > > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > > > family" - Stephen got them. > > > > > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > > > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > > > > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > > > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to > > obtain > > > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > > > > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 20:29:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:29:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top left hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? I'm serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention this piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. You all have been forewarned! LOL Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > frenzy! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > Brian Stocker > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > create > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > those > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > posting > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > them > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > interested in it. > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > Kannan. > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Nov 7 20:32:53 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:32:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1487 In-Reply-To: <200111071931.UAA00417@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Well ... at Jim's explicit request ... my point of view on the postings of ebay offerings . 1. The reader is not interested in buying : he doesn't click on the link ... no harm done . 2. The reader is curious but doesn't intend to bid and/or buy : he checks out the link and is satisfied . 3. The reader is interested and might buy : also in this case, it's a good thing to post the link ... it's much less work than to check ebay several times a day . The reader probably won't offer an excessive price, so, finally his influence in the bid, is relatively little . Perhaps it will add a few dollars to the final price, but nothing to make a real fuzz about (imho) . 4. Finally the item the reader is looking for for years already shows up on ebay : he will bid up to (or maybe even above) his budget and be satisfied if he wins the bid ... even if it is at the expense of another Naktalker . However, this person probably was checking ebay already, so the posting didn't really make a difference . If the other bidding Naktalker was in one of the first categories, he won't mind too much . However, if he was also in this same category, he'll be p****ed off, but I don't think the post did influence the result . Conclusion : I think that it's rather rare that posting a link to ebay, will really increase the final price . I also think that our fellow Naktalkers are not the kind of people that are searching ebay expecting to pick up a bargain and to sell it some time later for a higher price . Just my 2 cents . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Nov 7 20:56:17 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:56:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <003301c167c6$44a2f3c0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> It looks like an old AKAI Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: britri at pacbell.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding frenzy! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 Brian Stocker Jim Volpatti wrote: These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They create competition between those of us who already knew about an item and those who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of posting really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let them find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are interested in it. Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, Kannan. I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Nov 7 21:40:24 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:40:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006401c167cc$6d4df760$f0ef3fd0@oemcomputer> You know I was thinking the same thing, that it said LXI. which was a sears house brand. Looks like any receiver from that era Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top left > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? I'm > serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention this > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > > frenzy! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > create > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > those > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > posting > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > them > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > interested in it. > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > Kannan. > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Nov 7 21:52:41 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:52:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you all for yor suggestions. I'll give these ideas a go! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2001 7:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Before Nakamikaze hits the street, pls download one of the 3 head deck manuals (i think you have bx300 manual) to look at the right screws ... and remember to draw or mark 'correct' position. Can't stress enough of Stephen's recommendation to repeat 400-15k alignment steps as you won't get it right on first run. Align the rec head only after you get the pb head right - and be prepared to tweak pb head again, as a way-off rec head position also affects pb response (and finally back to rec head again :-) Good luck & be patient ! Salim SM > This is a job for the Nakamikaze! But I'll make one suggestion. Take the > tape you made on the Teac & then adjust the Nak's height screw to maximize > 400Hz level, then do azimuth with the 15kHz section, then repeat both steps. > This should at least get you back in the ballpark. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! > > > > Hi all, > > > > Hope everyone is well. I have a small hair pulling experience with > aligning my naks. To start with I don't have any nak alignment tapes nor do > I have any solid experience with proper alignment techniques, anyway here's > my story. I have a 3 3 head decks, 2 naks (bx300 & zx9) and 1 brand I rather > not mention (starts with t ends with c). If I record a tape with the > "unknown" brand and play them on my car units/walkman the sound is great, If > I record the same piece of music on the same tape from one of my naks and > replay them on the car units/walkman one side sound reasonable and the other > side sounds dull keeping in mind that the car units/walkman are auto reverse > (non-flipping head type). If I physically flip the tape over on the car > units/walkman it sounds marginally better. > > > > I tried to create a test tape by connecting my function generator to the > "unknown" tape deck and recorded a 400Hz signal and a 15KHz signal. I played > it back onto the naks and adjusted the alignment screw to obtain the max > reading on the peak levels. Mind you I stupidly mistook the head height > screw (I think that's the screw next to the alignment screw) and I think > that's probably why I'm in the shit! I remember Matyas posting an e-mail > with a method of adjusting head height but I'm not confident that my skill > are up to it to do what Matyas suggests. > > > > Anyone out there with thoughts/experiences/suggestions? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Nov 7 21:56:42 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:56:42 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AE8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I total agree Salim! -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2001 1:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I completely agree with George ... it's only my first year here and I feel like knowing most of you guys, more like close friends instead of just another mailing list. I've been enjoying links that were posted here - which possibly increased competition, however, as Stephen mentioned, he usually won't put bid ahead of others that he already knew, so maybe it'll be more like a 'family' competition. Even if it's an item of our interests, I'd feel better knowing that, say, Scott won the auction rather than a complete stranger. Keeping it discreet has always been an option anyway. Only 1 out 10 auctions that sometimes I wished it went undiscovered :-). Well maybe it's not a fair comment as I rarely bid in the first place, so I leave it to the 'activists' to share their preferences. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > My 2 cents: > > I'm based in Europe and do 98% of my auction shopping at ebay.de, i.e. the > German site, for simple reasons like shipping costs, payment matters, > dispute resolving, etc. I don't have the time to check ebay.com, where > usually all the links posted come from. Therefore I'm always glad to see a > link posted on Naktalk for various reasons - out of curiosity, to compare > prices, maybe come across something I'd really like to get hold of despite > the hassle, etc. For example I was following the last auction for the SP-7 > headphones - I'd have tried bidding, but the price was already too high for > me, plus I was happy to see that ultimately they "remained within the > family" - Stephen got them. > > It is difficult to know what everyone in this group is looking for so that > he (she?) can E-mailed privately. > > On the other hand, your comments on increasing competition are reasonable. > However, I still don't think that so many people will be desperate to obtain > a specific item to turn it into a real issue. > > I won't hurt too bad either way, but I'd miss the links. > > George > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jalihim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 07 November 2001 08:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch And the current high bidder's handle looks like one of us Naktalkers -:). George (No, it's not me !) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kannan. S" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "naktalk" Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:11:09 +0530 I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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According to a recent article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. Yea, right!!). -- Ron > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > > frenzy! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > create > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > those > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > posting > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > them > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > interested in it. > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > Kannan. > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Nov 7 22:34:05 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:34:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I am not sure if this is going to work. Just because a person bids on an item first doesn't mean that he has dibs on it. It may turn out that someone else (non naktalk buddies) may outbid him and none of us get the item, which may be a rare piece that we need to complete or repair our system. I am not alone in being a sniper. If I want something I will bid at the last few seconds. It's apparent I am not alone in using this time tested method which has snagged me 95% of what I bid on. I have no problem if one of us e-mails a notification that this is what they'd like to have if at all possible. But free market is just that. If someone wants something and is willing to search and pay for it, I say "Go For It". By the way, this is a general comment for future reference, I have no interest in the 1000ZXL parts. May the best man win! Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 22:48:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:48:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <006401c167cc$6d4df760$f0ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BE9AC46.A4489F37@earthlink.net> What the heck, Sears, JC Penny, Mac. It all sounds the same, right?? =^) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > You know I was thinking the same thing, that it said LXI. > which was a sears house brand. Looks like any receiver > from that era > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top left > > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? I'm > > serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention this > > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. > > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > > > frenzy! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > > create > > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > > those > > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > > posting > > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > > them > > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > > interested in it. > > > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > > Kannan. > > > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 7 22:52:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:52:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <3BE9A25F.84413DA7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BE9AD00.2812328A@earthlink.net> hmmmm Brian, sound familiar??? > Ebay is a cesspool of rip-offs. According to a recent > article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet > rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim > that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. > Yea, right!!). > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 7 23:41:37 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:41:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> I completely agree with Roland and others. Naktalk is more of a brotherhood than a mailinglist and we all tend to help each other out. Pointing out links to items of interest either on or off topic seems to benefit MOST in the group and it is a free market with naktalk being, more or less, a forum for audio related free thought Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of context, but noteworthy) which is ironic in that he and his kind would lean away from free thought and free market and would be more inclined to influence and moderate freedom. Brian Stocker Roland Alford 2 wrote: > I am not sure if this is going to work. Just because a person bids on an > item first doesn't mean that he has dibs on it. It may turn out that > someone else (non naktalk buddies) may outbid him and none of us get the > item, which may be a rare piece that we need to complete or repair our > system. > > I am not alone in being a sniper. If I want something I will bid at the > last few seconds. It's apparent I am not alone in using this time tested > method which has snagged me 95% of what I bid on. > > I have no problem if one of us e-mails a notification that this is what > they'd like to have if at all possible. But free market is just that. If > someone wants something and is willing to search and pay for it, I say "Go > For It". > > By the way, this is a general comment for future reference, I have no > interest in the 1000ZXL parts. May the best man win! > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Looks like any receiver > from that era > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top left > > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? I'm > > serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention this > > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. > > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > > > frenzy! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > > create > > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > > those > > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > > posting > > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > > them > > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > > interested in it. > > > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > > Kannan. > > > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 00:12:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:12:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BE9BFDC.C8A95CED@earthlink.net> Not influence freedom, protect it. And not just for the rich and powerful, but for all Americans. Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > I completely agree with Roland and others. Naktalk is more of a brotherhood than a > mailinglist and we all tend to help each other out. Pointing out links to items of > interest either on or off topic seems to benefit MOST in the group and it is a free > market with naktalk being, more or less, a forum for audio related free thought > > Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of context, but noteworthy) which is > ironic in that he and his kind would lean away from free thought and free market and > would be more inclined to influence and moderate freedom. > > Brian Stocker > > Roland Alford 2 wrote: > > > I am not sure if this is going to work. Just because a person bids on an > > item first doesn't mean that he has dibs on it. It may turn out that > > someone else (non naktalk buddies) may outbid him and none of us get the > > item, which may be a rare piece that we need to complete or repair our > > system. > > > > I am not alone in being a sniper. If I want something I will bid at the > > last few seconds. It's apparent I am not alone in using this time tested > > method which has snagged me 95% of what I bid on. > > > > I have no problem if one of us e-mails a notification that this is what > > they'd like to have if at all possible. But free market is just that. If > > someone wants something and is willing to search and pay for it, I say "Go > > For It". > > > > By the way, this is a general comment for future reference, I have no > > interest in the 1000ZXL parts. May the best man win! > > > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 00:20:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:20:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] the $48 to ship a $10 receiver auction References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <006401c167cc$6d4df760$f0ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BE9BBAD.DA3B1C39@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BE9C1A3.68107E00@earthlink.net> If anyone does, perhaps they could include the auction of that Pioneer cassette deck that Brian sold to me. It was supposedly in perfect condition except for a couple of chips in the wood enclosure and in perfect working condition too. Tell me, Brian, now that you are a supposed audiophile can you listen to the playback of that deck and tell that it is completely out of alignment? My deaf grandfather could have heard how bad it was. Hope you're enjoying the deck and my $200. =^) Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > So, Naktalkers, there is a lesson in this auction: never test anything > that may be high wattage if you don't have high wattage speakers. > Sorry, still laughing at this one. Does anybody know of a sight that > has links to funny, fraudulent, etc. auctions? > > Warren wrote: > > > You know I was thinking the same thing, that it said LXI. > > which was a sears house brand. Looks like any receiver > > from that era > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > > > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top > > left > > > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? I'm > > > > > serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention > > this > > > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all > > kinds. > > > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a > > bidding > > > > frenzy! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. > > They > > > > > create > > > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item > > and > > > > > those > > > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type > > of > > > > > posting > > > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, > > let > > > > > them > > > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they > > are > > > > > interested in it. > > > > > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my > > forte. > > > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > > > Kannan. > > > > > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if > > informing > > > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a > > look! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ==------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ==------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ==------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > =------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > > > ====== > > > > > = > > ======------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > = > > ======------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > = > > ======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Nov 8 00:26:22 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:26:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] the $48 to ship a $10 receiver auction References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <006401c167cc$6d4df760$f0ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BE9BBAD.DA3B1C39@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <014c01c167e3$9cc3cf80$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> If that is a McIntosh, I think this one was made by Conrad Johnson......... :) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293972363 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Thu Nov 8 01:57:09 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:57:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <3BE9A25F.84413DA7@concentric.net> <3BE9AD00.2812328A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BE9D84D.1A8BB866@pacbell.net> Naktalkers, this will be my only post to the group regarding this matter. This is the second time Jim has personally attacked me via Naktalk. In fact, it is the second time, since then, that such mean-spirited and off topic postings have been made to the group by anybody. Jim, you have so much valuable information and great ideas to offer the group. Please stay on track and maintain your credibility as a very knowledgeable audio guy. Please do not use this group and everybody's time to attack me. Thank you, Brian Stocker Jim Volpatti wrote: > hmmmm > > Brian, sound familiar??? > > > Ebay is a cesspool of rip-offs. According to a recent > > article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet > > rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim > > that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. > > Yea, right!!). > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 02:12:06 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:12:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007101c1675f$91736f20$42d60192@vsnl> <3BE90783.701FD1C9@earthlink.net> <3BE980BC.34594175@pacbell.net> <3BE98B8C.E339949B@earthlink.net> <3BE9A25F.84413DA7@concentric.net> <3BE9AD00.2812328A@earthlink.net> <3BE9D84D.1A8BB866@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BE9DBE6.91D1F52B@earthlink.net> I would love to Brian but I tend to see "red" every time your name comes across my screen. It's no fun getting ripped off and besides, I think I've done pretty well. I haven't brought up this topic on Nak Talker in over a year. Given the fact that we are both frequent contributors here, I think that is commendable. britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Naktalkers, this will be my only post to the group regarding this matter. This is the > second time Jim has personally attacked me via Naktalk. In fact, it is the second > time, since then, that such mean-spirited and off topic postings have been made to the > group by anybody. > > Jim, you have so much valuable information and great ideas to offer the group. Please > stay on track and maintain your credibility as a very knowledgeable audio guy. Please > do not use this group and everybody's time to attack me. > > Thank you, > > Brian Stocker > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > hmmmm > > > > Brian, sound familiar??? > > > > > Ebay is a cesspool of rip-offs. According to a recent > > > article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet > > > rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim > > > that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. > > > Yea, right!!). > > > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Thu Nov 8 05:21:11 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:21:11 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <67.1c7cb71c.291b623e@aol.com> Thank you Brian, I agree I feel Jim Volpatti is bit arrogant and Clintonese. This is the email Jim sent my wife Jal-najim at valspar.com to day regarding our ebay bid. "Hiy I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. it is nice to talk. the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! Jalihim" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 05:36:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:36:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <67.1c7cb71c.291b623e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BEA0BD0.F8B25976@earthlink.net> Jalihim, You have the wrong Jim. I sent no such message to anyone today. I've never owned a Nakamichi cassette deck and certainly wouldn't have any need for 1000ZXL parts. Jim Volpatti Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > Thank you Brian, I agree I feel Jim Volpatti is bit arrogant and Clintonese. This is the email Jim sent my wife Jal-najim at valspar.com to day regarding our ebay bid. > > "Hiy > I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. > it is nice to talk. > the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! > Jalihim" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Thu Nov 8 05:50:41 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:50:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <3BE9A25F.84413DA7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001b01c16810$eba04840$2102a8c0@henry> Hi everybody, I am pretty much a lurker here on Naktalk, but these posts below are the exact reason that I think that posting info about eBay auctions is really cool. Maybe Stephen, Jim, Salim or a number of others here has something to say about the unit - good or bad. I have owned precisely two Naks in my life... and will probably never own even double that. I do, however, love to look and hear what other people have to say about the deals that are going by. I would say that if you are trying to win an item and you don't want any competition, then you should keep the URL to yourself and hope. If it is an interesting piece, I am sure we all would love to chime in about it. Just my $0.02. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Jim Volpatti wrote: > > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top left > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? LXI is a Sears house name. Same difference. > I'm serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention this > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. Ebay is a cesspool of rip-offs. According to a recent article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. Yea, right!!). -- Ron > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a bidding > > frenzy! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > create > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > those > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > posting > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > them > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > interested in it. > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my forte. > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > Kannan. > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Thu Nov 8 06:07:59 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:07:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <001b01c16810$eba04840$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: All's fair in Love and auctions!!! I will bid against anyone if its something I want. Sorry guys, but money talks.... JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Timothy H. Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > Hi everybody, > > I am pretty much a lurker here on Naktalk, but these posts below are the > exact reason that I think that posting info about eBay auctions is > really cool. > > Maybe Stephen, Jim, Salim or a number of others here has something to > say about the unit - good or bad. I have owned precisely two Naks in my > life... and will probably never own even double that. I do, however, > love to look and hear what other people have to say about the deals that > are going by. > > I would say that if you are trying to win an item and you don't want any > competition, then you should keep the URL to yourself and hope. If it > is an interesting piece, I am sure we all would love to chime in about > it. > > Just my $0.02. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > That definitely ain't no Mac! It looks like it says LXI on the top > left > > hand corner. Wasn't that JC Penny's house brand at one point?? > > LXI is a Sears house name. Same difference. > > > I'm serious!! I think it was. How funny that the seller can mention > this > > piece of sxxt and Mac in the same breath. Oh well, it takes all kinds. > > Ebay is a cesspool of rip-offs. According to a recent > article in a computer magazine, 76% of internet > rip-offs take place on auction sites (yet ebay claim > that only 1 in 10,000 transactions are fraudulent. > Yea, right!!). > > -- Ron > > > > You all have been forewarned! LOL > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > I cant resist, at the risk of crashing the ebay system with a > bidding > > > frenzy! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292233042 > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > These are exactly the type of posts I referred to yesterday. They > > > > create > > > > competition between those of us who already knew about an item and > > > > those > > > > who just discovered that the item is available. Is this type of > > > > posting > > > > really necessary? If someone is looking for a particular item, let > > > > them > > > > find it himself or email him privately if you know that they are > > > > interested in it. > > > > > > > > Hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes. Diplomacy is not my > forte. > > > > These comments certainly weren't directed exclusively at you, > > > > Kannan. > > > > > > > > I welcome everyone's thoughts on this. I don't know if informing > > > > everyone of our eBay user names is really the solution. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think these Nak items are really something rare - have a look! > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293608067 > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > =======----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Thu Nov 8 06:08:25 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:08:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 is kicking ass In-Reply-To: <3BEA0BD0.F8B25976@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I've had my LX5 about a year now and it still sounds great after heavy use. ( Had it tuned by Mr. Sank at first). I am so pleased with the results of the recordings I have zero desire to upgrade to something slightly better. NAKS RULE!!!!!! JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Nov 8 06:48:07 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:18:07 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <003a01c16818$f130de20$42d60192@vsnl> Sure all our members know about ebay and I think if somebody is serious and do not want other members to outbid ( hoping that all our members may be good guys letting another serious one to fight it out alone!!!) he / she can send a mail to Naktalk list. Anyway I saw a ( spare unused) Dragon mechanism going over 300USD recently - Did you guys notice it?? Ebay watching Nak items is sure fun as I do not wish to bid for anything and hope soon I may get a chance! -----Original Message----- From: J. C. O'Connell To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch >All's fair in Love and auctions!!! >I will bid against anyone if its something >I want. Sorry guys, but money talks.... >JCO > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Timothy H. Jackson >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:51 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch >> >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> I am pretty much a lurker here on Naktalk, but these posts below are the >> exact reason that I think that posting info about eBay auctions is >> really cool. >> >> Maybe Stephen, Jim, Salim or a number of others here has something to >> say about the unit - good or bad. I have owned precisely two Naks in my >> life... and will probably never own even double that. I do, however, >> love to look and hear what other people have to say about the deals that >> are going by. >> >> I would say that if you are trying to win an item and you don't want any >> competition, then you should keep the URL to yourself and hope. If it >> is an interesting piece, I am sure we all would love to chime in about >> it. >> >> Just my $0.02. >> >> Tim >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 8 07:41:04 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:41:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <3BEA0BD0.F8B25976@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c16820$574d2400$40ac193e@a4s1s2> Jalihim That's right, buddy. It wasn't Jim who sent that posting. I think you have your wires crossed, so to speak. ;o) The original source of the e-mail to which you refer was not Jim Volpatti [jvolpatti at earthlink.net] but Jal [jal-najim at valspar.com] , or so it says on the original posting. Have a look again - you'll see it for yourself. I appeal for peace, brothers and sisters - there's enough real unpleasantness in the World at the moment without a fight in this family, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 08 November 2001 04:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Jalihim, You have the wrong Jim. I sent no such message to anyone today. I've never owned a Nakamichi cassette deck and certainly wouldn't have any need for 1000ZXL parts. Jim Volpatti Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > Thank you Brian, I agree I feel Jim Volpatti is bit arrogant and Clintonese. This is the email Jim sent my wife Jal-najim at valspar.com to day regarding our ebay bid. > > "Hiy > I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. > it is nice to talk. > the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! > Jalihim" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FabFourFan at nme.com Thu Nov 8 10:44:02 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:44:02 GMT Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3bea5356.6937282@mail.voicenet.com> I have only one word for any more of this nonsense - plonk! Sorry. Mike Patrick On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:41:37 -0800, Brian Stocker britri at pacbell.net wrote: > >Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of context, but noteworthy) which is >ironic in that he and his kind would lean away from free thought and free market and >would be more inclined to influence and moderate freedom. > >Brian Stocker > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Nov 8 14:37:00 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:37:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms Message-ID: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> I would just like to thank everyone at naktalk - Stephen, Salim, Ron, Warren...everyone who responded on my question re linear tracking devices, and your myriad experiences with them. And particularly the caveats as they apply to Bang and Olufsen. The theory clearly needs expensive mechanical engineering integrity to work. Neal !! I sure do know Roy Davis from his High End Audio newsletter. As it happens, he helped set up Neil Painters SME V arm and align the cartridge. Good luck with your acoustic challenges! I had also asked Roy a question on the issue of linear trackers, and I think those who have had experience of them would find his comments interesting: Hi all Linear tracking tonearms have a number of strengths that are desireable in the playing of an LP. However, they also have a number of pitfalls. The main aim is to track the groove without tracing error. This is intended to be accomplished by tracking the groove in an identical fashion to the way it was cut. Unfortunately, there are good, not very good and very poor designs of linear trackers available. In one, much vaunted design used on one of the World's most expensive turntables, it was found that there was so much uncontrolled movement in the arm/headshell assembly that the tracking of the left and right channels was anything but in synch with oneanother. In other words, the time synchronization between the two did not correspond. Ever had the feeling that your system was playing two unrelated musical events? A good pivoted arm minimizes tracing errors, caused by its curved sweep of the record, to a minimum. A badly engineering or setup linear tracker i.e. one where the stylus is tracing anything but a perfect tangent to the record, will produce tracking errors in every part of every groove on it. Once again, any uncontrolled movement of the headshell makes a perfect tangent impossible. A further problem is the method of driving the cartridge across the record. Several methods have been used some of which are: gravity (running downhill towards the platter spindle); the headshell being driven across the table by the pressure of the groove (the right channel or outside one specifically) on the stylus and electronic drive. Bear in mind that few LPs are perfectly concentric in relation to the centre hole. This means that the stylus must not only track inward but outward and back again at every rotation of the record, as well. This is not good news for a gravity driven linear tracker or one where the stylus' inexorable objective is the centre spindle. The only thing that can accommodate a movement back towards the outside of the record, is the cantilever. What did you say you paid for your cartridge? Ouch! The same thing applies to any friction in the movement of the cartridge carrying carraige as it traverses the record, hopefully, tracing a perfect tangent to the record. Any friction, or stiction as some call it, in a linear tracker, which is driven by pressure on the stylus, will deflect or bend the cantilever of the cartridge and can leave it permanently in that state. The only cause of movement of the cantilever should be the modulations in the groove. The headshell is supposed to provide a stable platform for the cartridge (hence the Townsend Rock turntable with its silicone bath and paddle at the end of the tonearm). Even air bearing carraiges do not move completely freely. No matter what the bearing, it takes a certain amount of force to move an object at rest to a given speed, the result, pressure applied to the stylus and thus the cantilever. A further difficulty is this. Because of the enormous disparity between the weight of the cartridge, headshell and arm (if there is one) and the same plus the whole carraige, the vertical and horizontal resonant frequencies are very different. In order to minimize the weight of the tonearm and carraige assembly some linear trackers have very short tonearms almost little more than a headshell (some have tonearms not much shorter than pivoted one). As this rides over warps in the record there are HUGE variations in the VTA. This is the result of the short verticle pivot (pivot of vertical movement) to stylus tip distance. Also not a good thing. For the above and other reasons, many believe that overall a pivoted arm is the least compromise but you pays your money and makes your own choice. I am not against linear trackers. I would like a good one myself although it doesn't suite my Linn unless I can mount it outboard of the plinth but I am just trying to illustrate that the perfect tracking arm does not exist like everything else in the World including all hi-fi equipment. regards ROY DAVIS Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 8 16:04:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:04:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BEA9EED.4A94E9A1@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > [...] > > Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of > context, but noteworthy) which is ironic in that he > and his kind would lean away from free thought and > free market and would be more inclined to influence > and moderate freedom. Hah? Care to give just one example where Clinton 'leaned away from free thought and free market'? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Nov 8 18:09:32 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:09:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <006001c16878$22d911e0$852f2ac4@coqui.net> Ha, Ha, Ha ! This is the best and most sincere one I has seen concerning this discussion so far ! Carlos (I'm back !) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. C. O'Connell" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch > All's fair in Love and auctions!!! > I will bid against anyone if its something > I want. Sorry guys, but money talks.... > JCO > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Nov 8 18:12:40 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:12:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <000001c16820$574d2400$40ac193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <007201c16878$95ca1e60$852f2ac4@coqui.net> Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch I appeal for peace, brothers and sisters - there's enough real unpleasantness in the World at the moment without a fight in this family, too. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 18:14:33 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:14:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <000001c16820$574d2400$40ac193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEABD79.83D25C12@earthlink.net> Thank you, Graham. = ) Jim Volpatti > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jalihim > > That's right, buddy. It wasn't Jim who sent that posting. I think > you have your wires crossed, so to speak. ;o) The original source > of the e-mail to which you refer was not Jim Volpatti > [jvolpatti at earthlink.net] but Jal [jal-najim at valspar.com] , or so it > says on the original posting. Have a look again - you'll see it for > yourself. > > I appeal for peace, brothers and sisters - there's enough real > unpleasantness in the World at the moment without a fight in this > family, too. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 08 November 2001 04:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > Jalihim, > > You have the wrong Jim. I sent no such message to anyone today. I've > never owned a Nakamichi cassette deck and certainly wouldn't have any > need for 1000ZXL parts. > > Jim Volpatti > > Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > > > Thank you Brian, I agree I feel Jim Volpatti is bit arrogant and > Clintonese. This is the email Jim sent my wife Jal-najim at valspar.com > to day regarding our ebay bid. > > > > "Hiy > > I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. > > it is nice to talk. > > the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! > > Jalihim" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 19:21:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:21:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> Hi Marc, I read Roy's letter with great interest. Thanks for posting it. Here's my take on what he has to say. And keep in mind that I'm not taking a side here. I'm just discussing the pros and cons of a linear tracking (LT) arm vs. pivoted arm on a point by point basis. Regarding tracking error of a LT vs pivoted arms, although I've never seen a reliable maximum tracking angle error specification for a LT arm, the spec on a good pivoted arm like the SME V is 0.012 degrees/mm. The Graham arm's spec is in the same ballpark. Intuitively (I'm trying to trust my intuition more as I get older), I would guess that the tracking error on even a "decent" LT arm (say, an Eminent Technology arm) has got to be similar or better. Keep in mind that the price of a even a decent LT arm is about the same as the very best pivoted arm. Also, Roy discusses the disadvantages of LT arm whose movement is driven by the record groove. The exact same issues exist for a pivoted arm so I don't understand his point here. As to what he refers to as "stiction", ditto. Then again, the shorter pivot to stylus distance of a typical LT arm can exasperate the problem. And LP concentricity affects a pivoted arm just as much as any LT arm that uses the record groove to guide its movement. Here is what Bob Graham has to say about air bearing LT vs unipivot arms (keep in mind that this is his opinion, not NECESSARILY mine, so no flames, please! = ) ): "We examined air bearing designs which are very elegant, technically complex devices. They are also very fussy to set-up and use and require constant care and maintenance in order not to compromise the all-important air support. If this support system should become contaminated, performance will suffer proportionally; if the air support should fail outright, the total destruction of the phono cartridge is quite possible. There are other problems too, including much higher lateral inertia than the vertical, as well as inadequate mechanical grounding required for true energy dissipation. Since it is important to minimize the moment of inertia, the moving system is necessarily light. Energy from the cartridge cannot totally be dissipated in such a system and vibrational energy is surely present, even with carbon fiber or other similarly lightweight materials. (Contrary to some beliefs, thin-wall carbon fiber by itself is not particularly well-damped). These compromises will often result in the moving system being more susceptible to vibration-related artifacts. Ironically, this can result in a pronounced sense of "air" (no pun intended) and a large, sweeping soundstage. We believe that this effect, however beguiling, is in many cases a result of unchecked resonances, and is not musically accurate. Being straight line designs with no offset angle, they do not require anti-skating, but the requirement for absolute accuracy in cartridge installation is nevertheless present. If the cartridge - or, more correctly, the cantilever and stylus - is not installed exactly, tracking error will remain a problem across the entire surface of the record. Also, perfect leveling of the turntable and arm is critical; otherwise, gravity will pull the arm and cartridge "downhill", placing a sideways strain on the cantilever. And of course we objected to the added requirement for a separate air supply. This is awkward at best and generally requires a remote location for the air pump in order not to create background noise. To say nothing of long-term reliability and consistent performance. QUESTION: How does the unipivot design get around these difficulties? Although most things are compromises, we believe the unipivot has the fewest tradeoffs of all tonearm designs: it is the simplest concept, it pre-loads the bearing for absolutely zero-tolerance and chatter-free performance, it is maintenance-free, and it requires no cumbersome air supply. But the implementation of a single pivot point does not, in itself, guarantee optimal or even correct performance. Related design theories which must be considered include bearing quality and configuration, along with the proper choice of bearing material. The best bearings are expensive and some unipivot tonearms have appeared with more economical, but lower quality, parts. Other considerations are important, too, such as the control of resonances and the correct application of anti-skating. Crucially important as well is a low moment of inertia for good tracking of warped records combined with proper control of lateral movement for best dynamic performance and bass extension. These details must be followed by a reliable method for precisely aligning the cantilever and stylus. Getting all these considerations right at the same time is not easy! In the Graham Engineering tonearms, our patented design begins with a costly Swiss-made unipivot instrument bearing set, made of tungsten carbide to four-decimal point tolerances and polished like a jewel. The ratio of the two radii (bearing and mating cup) is optimized for virtually frictionless movement. The loading on this bearing is so high that there can be no possibility of chatter or vibration, ever. A unipivot allows movement in all directions equally, and the requirement in good LP playback is that the freedom of movement in the two planes of movement (vertical and horizontal) must be met with an equally great resistance to movement in a rotational plane; that is, the arm must never tip to the side. In addition, a single-point bearing will, unless a special correction is applied, permit the arm to tip to the side as it is raised, as when playing warped records. This particular difficulty is a result of the geometric arrangement of the masses in the tonearm and the fact that a single pivot point is being used. The adverse effect of this is that azimuth will change depending on the vertical position of the cartridge. Brought to its extreme, the cartridge would be tipped fully to the offset angle of the headshell if the arm were raised straight up. Only the Graham design corrects this by placing outrigger weights at an angle perpendicular to the cantilever. This very important feature, which is patented, insures that the tonearm is always pivoting in a true vertical plane, with absolutely no tipping to affect azimuth. At the same time, these weights provide positive lateral stability and easy adjustment of absolute azimuth. Any unipivot can be made to balance in the rest position; however, only the Graham Engineering design addresses the question of lateral stability in a dynamic, operating condition. Other unipivot designs with the stabilizing mass slung generally under the pivot housing or in an eccentric counterweight cannot correct for this motion related problem." Hope this sheds some light on the discussion. Oh, and one other thing. I apologize to all on NakTalk about my outburst yesterday. Although I continue to be very upset with Brian and how he chose to handle our transaction, I will not discuss it here again. If anyone is curious as to what happened feel free to contact me at my email address and I will respond with a factual account of what transpired. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Marc Hugo wrote: > > I would just like to thank everyone at naktalk - Stephen, Salim, Ron, > Warren...everyone who responded on my question re linear tracking > devices, and your myriad experiences with them. And particularly the > caveats as they apply to Bang and Olufsen. The theory clearly needs > expensive mechanical engineering integrity to work. Neal !! I sure do > know Roy Davis from his High End Audio newsletter. As it happens, he > helped set up Neil Painters SME V arm and align the cartridge. Good > luck with your acoustic challenges! > > I had also asked Roy a question on the issue of linear trackers, and I > think those who have had experience of them would find his comments > interesting: > > Hi all > > Linear tracking tonearms have a number of strengths that are desireable > in the playing of an LP. However, they also have a number of pitfalls. > The main aim is to track the groove without tracing error. This is > intended to be accomplished by tracking the groove in an identical > fashion to the way it was cut. Unfortunately, there are good, not very > good and very poor designs of linear trackers available. In one, much > vaunted design used on one of the World's most expensive turntables, it > was found that there was so much uncontrolled movement in the > arm/headshell assembly that the tracking of the left and right channels > was anything but in synch with oneanother. In other words, the time > synchronization between the two did not correspond. Ever had the feeling > that your system was playing two unrelated musical events? > > A good pivoted arm minimizes tracing errors, caused by its curved sweep > of the record, to a minimum. A badly engineering or setup linear tracker > i.e. one where the stylus is tracing anything but a perfect tangent to > the record, will produce tracking errors in every part of every groove > on it. Once again, any uncontrolled movement of the headshell makes a > perfect tangent impossible. > > A further problem is the method of driving the cartridge across the > record. Several methods have been used some of which are: gravity > (running downhill towards the platter spindle); the headshell being > driven across the table by the pressure of the groove (the right channel > or outside one specifically) on the stylus and electronic drive. Bear in > mind that few LPs are perfectly concentric in relation to the centre > hole. This means that the stylus must not only track inward but outward > and back again at every rotation of the record, as well. This is not > good news for a gravity driven linear tracker or one where the stylus' > inexorable objective is the centre spindle. The only thing that can > accommodate a movement back towards the outside of the record, is the > cantilever. What did you say you paid for your cartridge? Ouch! > > The same thing applies to any friction in the movement of the cartridge > carrying carraige as it traverses the record, hopefully, tracing a > perfect tangent to the record. Any friction, or stiction as some call > it, in a linear tracker, which is driven by pressure on the stylus, will > deflect or bend the cantilever of the cartridge and can leave it > permanently in that state. The only cause of movement of the cantilever > should be the modulations in the groove. The headshell is supposed to > provide a stable platform for the cartridge (hence the Townsend Rock > turntable with its silicone bath and paddle at the end of the tonearm). > Even air bearing carraiges do not move completely freely. No matter what > the bearing, it takes a certain amount of force to move an object at > rest to a given speed, the result, pressure applied to the stylus and > thus the cantilever. > > A further difficulty is this. Because of the enormous disparity between > the weight of the cartridge, headshell and arm (if there is one) and the > same plus the whole carraige, the vertical and horizontal resonant > frequencies are very different. In order to minimize the weight of the > tonearm and carraige assembly some linear trackers have very short > tonearms almost little more than a headshell (some have tonearms not > much shorter than pivoted one). As this rides over warps in the record > there are HUGE variations in the VTA. This is the result of the short > verticle pivot (pivot of vertical movement) to stylus tip distance. Also > not a good thing. > > For the above and other reasons, many believe that overall a pivoted arm > is the least compromise but you pays your money and makes your own > choice. I am not against linear trackers. I would like a good one myself > although it doesn't suite my Linn unless I can mount it outboard of the > plinth but I am just trying to illustrate that the perfect tracking arm > does not exist like everything else in the World including all hi-fi > equipment. > > regards > ROY DAVIS > > Cheers, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Thu Nov 8 19:31:58 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:31:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: I'am Sorry Jim Volpatti for the mistake but the as_ who sent this email was not my wife Mr Nelson, she just forward it on to me. I wound who sent the email. Should we take a closer look ! Hiy I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. it is nice to talk. the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! Jalihim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 07 November 2001 08:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Thu Nov 8 19:34:10 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:34:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton Message-ID: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> National Health Care. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 19:38:20 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:38:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> <3BEA9EED.4A94E9A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BEAD11C.EEB38251@earthlink.net> Perhaps we should refrain from political discussions here. I know I took the bait and responded to Brian's Clinton comment but political discussions here on Nak Talk are completely off topic and will only lead to arguments and unrest. Agreed? Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of > > context, but noteworthy) which is ironic in that he > > and his kind would lean away from free thought and > > free market and would be more inclined to influence > > and moderate freedom. > > Hah? Care to give just one example where Clinton > 'leaned away from free thought and free market'? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 19:40:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:40:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <006001c16878$22d911e0$852f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3BEAD198.AC499258@earthlink.net> Carlos, where the heck have you been??!!!! Welcome back!! We've missed you! Jim Volpatti El Magnifico wrote: > > Ha, Ha, Ha ! This is the best and most sincere one I has seen concerning > this discussion so far ! > > Carlos > (I'm back !) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > All's fair in Love and auctions!!! > > I will bid against anyone if its something > > I want. Sorry guys, but money talks.... > > JCO > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 7 20:12:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 02:12:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <000001c16820$574d2400$40ac193e@a4s1s2> <007201c16878$95ca1e60$852f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <003101c167c0$2437c120$eb299bca@smarzuki> 3 months ... where have you been Carlos ? We staged this dispute specifically as welcome back party for you :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 8 21:30:43 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:30:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> For those interested here is a web page that has a bunch of different Linear tracking tonearms One of the best is the airtangent which starts at $8500.00 and up http://homepages.compuserve.de/kistneraudio/sev_ablt.htm for those who like to diy on the cheap the Paul Ladegaard tonearm is suposedly very good checkout this page http://www.aiko.com/roscoe/airbearingarm.html have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 8 22:06:09 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:06:09 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AF5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Wow Dude! where have you been Carlos? Welcome back. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2001 4:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch I appeal for peace, brothers and sisters - there's enough real unpleasantness in the World at the moment without a fight in this family, too. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 8 22:08:28 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:08:28 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AF6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi guy's, Your suggestions did the trick! It is now more accurate than ever. Once again a BIG thanks to you Salim & Stephen. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2001 7:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! Before Nakamikaze hits the street, pls download one of the 3 head deck manuals (i think you have bx300 manual) to look at the right screws ... and remember to draw or mark 'correct' position. Can't stress enough of Stephen's recommendation to repeat 400-15k alignment steps as you won't get it right on first run. Align the rec head only after you get the pb head right - and be prepared to tweak pb head again, as a way-off rec head position also affects pb response (and finally back to rec head again :-) Good luck & be patient ! Salim SM > This is a job for the Nakamikaze! But I'll make one suggestion. Take the > tape you made on the Teac & then adjust the Nak's height screw to maximize > 400Hz level, then do azimuth with the 15kHz section, then repeat both steps. > This should at least get you back in the ballpark. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Why I can't align my tape deck!! > > > > Hi all, > > > > Hope everyone is well. I have a small hair pulling experience with > aligning my naks. To start with I don't have any nak alignment tapes nor do > I have any solid experience with proper alignment techniques, anyway here's > my story. I have a 3 3 head decks, 2 naks (bx300 & zx9) and 1 brand I rather > not mention (starts with t ends with c). If I record a tape with the > "unknown" brand and play them on my car units/walkman the sound is great, If > I record the same piece of music on the same tape from one of my naks and > replay them on the car units/walkman one side sound reasonable and the other > side sounds dull keeping in mind that the car units/walkman are auto reverse > (non-flipping head type). If I physically flip the tape over on the car > units/walkman it sounds marginally better. > > > > I tried to create a test tape by connecting my function generator to the > "unknown" tape deck and recorded a 400Hz signal and a 15KHz signal. I played > it back onto the naks and adjusted the alignment screw to obtain the max > reading on the peak levels. Mind you I stupidly mistook the head height > screw (I think that's the screw next to the alignment screw) and I think > that's probably why I'm in the shit! I remember Matyas posting an e-mail > with a method of adjusting head height but I'm not confident that my skill > are up to it to do what Matyas suggests. > > > > Anyone out there with thoughts/experiences/suggestions? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 23:08:22 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:08:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: Message-ID: <3BEB0256.395686E6@earthlink.net> I appreciate and accept your apology. Thanks = ) Jim Volpatti Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > I'am Sorry Jim Volpatti for the mistake but the as_ who sent this email was not my wife Mr Nelson, she just forward it on to me. I wound who sent the email. Should we take a closer look ! > > Hiy > I am ZXL100LTD * 3 in good cond. > it is nice to talk. > the knobs will be useful - please dont try outbid me! > Jalihim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 07 November 2001 08:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 23:12:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BEB0359.8732A307@earthlink.net> Wow, great links, Warren! Thanks! Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > For those interested here is a web page that has a bunch > of different Linear tracking tonearms > One of the best is the airtangent which starts at $8500.00 and up > http://homepages.compuserve.de/kistneraudio/sev_ablt.htm > > for those who like to diy on the cheap the > Paul Ladegaard tonearm is suposedly very good > checkout this page > http://www.aiko.com/roscoe/airbearingarm.html > have fun > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 23:53:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:53:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BEB0359.8732A307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEB0CE5.61018264@earthlink.net> Hi guys, For those of you who may not be interested in tone arm technology and perhaps didn't read all the way down to the bottom of my last rather lengthy message, I've copied the final paragraph and have included it here. "I apologize to all on NakTalk about my outburst yesterday. Although I continue to be very upset with Brian and how he chose to handle our transaction, I will not discuss it here again. If anyone is curious as to what happened, feel free to contact me at my email address and I will respond with a factual account of what transpired." Thank you, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 00:04:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:04:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEB0F6C.A1B45210@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hi Marc, > > I read Roy's letter with great interest. Thanks for posting it. Here's > my take on what he has to say. And keep in mind that I'm not taking a > side here. I'm just discussing the pros and cons of a linear tracking > (LT) arm vs. pivoted arm on a point by point basis. > > Regarding tracking error of a LT vs pivoted arms, although I've never > seen a reliable maximum tracking angle error specification for a LT arm, > the spec on a good pivoted arm like the SME V is 0.012 degrees/mm. I do not understand this spec. What does 'Per mm' mean? mm of what? I would expect tracking error to be specified in degrees. Foe example, ReVox specifies the B791 arm at less than 0.5 degrees. > The > Graham arm's spec is in the same ballpark. Intuitively (I'm trying to > trust my intuition more as I get older), I would guess that the tracking > error on even a "decent" LT arm (say, an Eminent Technology arm) has got > to be similar or better. Keep in mind that the price of a even a decent > LT arm is about the same as the very best pivoted arm. > > Also, Roy discusses the disadvantages of LT arm whose movement is driven > by the record groove. The exact same issues exist for a pivoted arm so I > don't understand his point here. Not really. On a conventional arm, the stylus applies a force equal to the *torsional* friction of the arm pivot divided by its length. In a LT arm, the stylus applies a force essentially equal to the *linear* friction of the arm. In real world terms, LT arm exerts a *MUCH* higher force of the groove wall than even a simple a conventional arm. This is why any serious implementation of a LT arm must involve a rive motor. In the ReVox arm, the force exerted by the stylus on the groove wall is close to zero (on a perfectly concentric LP with fixed pitch, it *is* zero). > As to what he refers to as "stiction", ditto. Then again, the shorter > pivot to stylus distance of a typical LT arm can exasperate the problem. 'Sticktion' refers to friction between perfectly smooth surfaces (such as tape and head). It seems to me that the distance between pivot and stylus is immaterial in a LT arm, because the force does not act to rotate the arm, but to move it laterally. > And LP concentricity affects a pivoted arm just as much as any LT arm > that uses the record groove to guide its movement. True, but since the force is so much higher in a passive LT arm, the damage to the groove is more sever. > Here is what Bob Graham has to say about air bearing LT vs unipivot arms > (keep in mind that this is his opinion, not NECESSARILY mine, so no > flames, please! = ) ): > > "We examined air bearing designs which are very elegant, technically > complex devices. They are also very fussy to set-up and use and require > constant care and maintenance in > order not to compromise the all-important air support. If this support > system should become contaminated, performance will suffer > proportionally; if the air support should fail outright, the total > destruction of the phono cartridge is quite possible. There are other > problems too, including much higher lateral inertia than the vertical, > as well as inadequate mechanical grounding required for true energy > dissipation. Since it is important to minimize the moment of inertia, > the moving system is necessarily light. Energy from the cartridge cannot > totally be dissipated in such a system and vibrational energy is surely > present, even with carbon fiber or other similarly lightweight > materials. (Contrary to some beliefs, thin-wall carbon fiber by itself > is not particularly well-damped). These compromises will often result in > the moving system being more susceptible to vibration-related artifacts. > Ironically, this can result in a pronounced sense of "air" (no pun > intended) and a large, sweeping soundstage. We believe that this effect, > however beguiling, is in many cases a result of unchecked resonances, > and is not musically accurate. First, having had some experience in an air bearing disk testing bed, I can attest to the finicky nature of this solution. Graham didn't mention the price, which can be justified in a $300,000 but not in a home TT. Second, issues stemming from the need to make the LT arm as light as possible (and hence, highly under damped) are true for any LT arm. As a result, an LT arm can sound extremely good, but not quite as good as a top notch conventional arm. Two such arms I have personally found superior are the SME and the Lenco. > Being straight line designs with no offset angle, they do not require > anti-skating, but the requirement for absolute accuracy in cartridge > installation is nevertheless present. If the cartridge - or, more > correctly, the cantilever and stylus - is not installed exactly, > tracking error will remain a problem across the entire surface of the > record. True, but correct installation should be a given in a high quality system. > Also, perfect leveling of the turntable and arm is critical; > otherwise, gravity will pull the arm and cartridge "downhill", placing a > sideways strain on the cantilever. Only true for passive arms. A motor driven arm is immune to tilting (aside from the slight reduction of VTF). > And of course we objected to the > added requirement for a separate air supply. This is awkward at best and > generally requires a remote location for the air pump in order not to > create background noise. To say nothing of long-term reliability and > consistent performance. > > QUESTION: How does the unipivot design get around these difficulties? By using a single drop of oil at the needle point pivot, torsional friction can be made extremely low. By making the arm long, this frictional force translates to a lot less at the stylus. -- Ron > Although most things are compromises, we believe the unipivot has the > fewest tradeoffs of all tonearm designs: it is the simplest concept, it > pre-loads the bearing for absolutely > zero-tolerance and chatter-free performance, it is maintenance-free, and > it requires no cumbersome air supply. But the implementation of a single > pivot point does not, in itself, > guarantee optimal or even correct performance. Related design theories > which must be considered include bearing quality and configuration, > along with the proper choice of bearing > material. The best bearings are expensive and some unipivot tonearms > have appeared with more economical, but lower quality, parts. Other > considerations are important, too, such > as the control of resonances and the correct application of > anti-skating. Crucially important as well is a low moment of inertia for > good tracking of warped records combined with > proper control of lateral movement for best dynamic performance and bass > extension. These details must be followed by a reliable method for > precisely aligning the cantilever and > stylus. Getting all these considerations right at the same time is not > easy! > > In the Graham Engineering tonearms, our patented design begins with a > costly Swiss-made unipivot instrument bearing set, made of tungsten > carbide to four-decimal point > tolerances and polished like a jewel. The ratio of the two radii > (bearing and mating cup) is optimized for virtually frictionless > movement. The loading on this bearing is so high that there can be no > possibility of chatter or vibration, ever. > > A unipivot allows movement in all directions equally, and the > requirement in good LP playback is that the freedom of movement in the > two planes of movement (vertical and horizontal) must be met with an > equally great resistance to movement in a rotational plane; that is, the > arm must never tip to the side. In addition, a single-point bearing > will, unless a special correction is applied, permit the arm to tip to > the side as it is raised, as when playing warped records. This > particular difficulty is a result of the geometric arrangement of the > masses in the tonearm and the fact that a single pivot point is being > used. The adverse effect of this is that azimuth will change depending > on the vertical position of the cartridge. Brought to its extreme, the > cartridge would be tipped fully to the offset angle of the headshell if > the arm were raised straight up. Only the Graham design corrects this by > placing outrigger weights at an angle perpendicular to the cantilever. > This very important feature, which is patented, insures that the tonearm > is always pivoting in a true vertical plane, with absolutely no tipping > to affect azimuth. At the same time, these weights provide positive > lateral stability and easy adjustment of absolute azimuth. Any unipivot > can be made to balance in the rest position; however, only the Graham > Engineering design addresses the question of lateral stability in a > dynamic, operating condition. Other unipivot designs with the > stabilizing mass slung generally under the pivot housing or in an > eccentric counterweight cannot correct for this motion related problem." > > Hope this sheds some light on the discussion. > > Oh, and one other thing. I apologize to all on NakTalk about my outburst > yesterday. Although I continue to be very upset with Brian and how he > chose to handle our transaction, I will not discuss it here again. If > anyone is curious as to what happened feel free to contact me at my > email address and I will respond with a factual account of what > transpired. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > > I would just like to thank everyone at naktalk - Stephen, Salim, Ron, > > Warren...everyone who responded on my question re linear tracking > > devices, and your myriad experiences with them. And particularly the > > caveats as they apply to Bang and Olufsen. The theory clearly needs > > expensive mechanical engineering integrity to work. Neal !! I sure do > > know Roy Davis from his High End Audio newsletter. As it happens, he > > helped set up Neil Painters SME V arm and align the cartridge. Good > > luck with your acoustic challenges! > > > > I had also asked Roy a question on the issue of linear trackers, and I > > think those who have had experience of them would find his comments > > interesting: > > > > Hi all > > > > Linear tracking tonearms have a number of strengths that are desireable > > in the playing of an LP. However, they also have a number of pitfalls. > > The main aim is to track the groove without tracing error. This is > > intended to be accomplished by tracking the groove in an identical > > fashion to the way it was cut. Unfortunately, there are good, not very > > good and very poor designs of linear trackers available. In one, much > > vaunted design used on one of the World's most expensive turntables, it > > was found that there was so much uncontrolled movement in the > > arm/headshell assembly that the tracking of the left and right channels > > was anything but in synch with oneanother. In other words, the time > > synchronization between the two did not correspond. Ever had the feeling > > that your system was playing two unrelated musical events? > > > > A good pivoted arm minimizes tracing errors, caused by its curved sweep > > of the record, to a minimum. A badly engineering or setup linear tracker > > i.e. one where the stylus is tracing anything but a perfect tangent to > > the record, will produce tracking errors in every part of every groove > > on it. Once again, any uncontrolled movement of the headshell makes a > > perfect tangent impossible. > > > > A further problem is the method of driving the cartridge across the > > record. Several methods have been used some of which are: gravity > > (running downhill towards the platter spindle); the headshell being > > driven across the table by the pressure of the groove (the right channel > > or outside one specifically) on the stylus and electronic drive. Bear in > > mind that few LPs are perfectly concentric in relation to the centre > > hole. This means that the stylus must not only track inward but outward > > and back again at every rotation of the record, as well. This is not > > good news for a gravity driven linear tracker or one where the stylus' > > inexorable objective is the centre spindle. The only thing that can > > accommodate a movement back towards the outside of the record, is the > > cantilever. What did you say you paid for your cartridge? Ouch! > > > > The same thing applies to any friction in the movement of the cartridge > > carrying carraige as it traverses the record, hopefully, tracing a > > perfect tangent to the record. Any friction, or stiction as some call > > it, in a linear tracker, which is driven by pressure on the stylus, will > > deflect or bend the cantilever of the cartridge and can leave it > > permanently in that state. The only cause of movement of the cantilever > > should be the modulations in the groove. The headshell is supposed to > > provide a stable platform for the cartridge (hence the Townsend Rock > > turntable with its silicone bath and paddle at the end of the tonearm). > > Even air bearing carraiges do not move completely freely. No matter what > > the bearing, it takes a certain amount of force to move an object at > > rest to a given speed, the result, pressure applied to the stylus and > > thus the cantilever. > > > > A further difficulty is this. Because of the enormous disparity between > > the weight of the cartridge, headshell and arm (if there is one) and the > > same plus the whole carraige, the vertical and horizontal resonant > > frequencies are very different. In order to minimize the weight of the > > tonearm and carraige assembly some linear trackers have very short > > tonearms almost little more than a headshell (some have tonearms not > > much shorter than pivoted one). As this rides over warps in the record > > there are HUGE variations in the VTA. This is the result of the short > > verticle pivot (pivot of vertical movement) to stylus tip distance. Also > > not a good thing. > > > > For the above and other reasons, many believe that overall a pivoted arm > > is the least compromise but you pays your money and makes your own > > choice. I am not against linear trackers. I would like a good one myself > > although it doesn't suite my Linn unless I can mount it outboard of the > > plinth but I am just trying to illustrate that the perfect tracking arm > > does not exist like everything else in the World including all hi-fi > > equipment. > > > > regards > > ROY DAVIS > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 00:08:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:08:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton References: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BEB1080.DC406C7@concentric.net> Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > National Health Care. You gotta be kidding... Clinton wanted to revamp the sad situation of out health system. The republican party went out of its way to sabotage this effort. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 00:13:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:13:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> <3BEA9EED.4A94E9A1@concentric.net> <3BEAD11C.EEB38251@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEB11B7.AB71027F@concentric.net> No problem. The best way to avoid such OT subjects is to refrain from the first shot. Once posted, it's difficult to avoid replies, especially when the original is particularly underhanded. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Perhaps we should refrain from political discussions here. I know I took > the bait and responded to Brian's Clinton comment but political > discussions here on Nak Talk are completely off topic and will only lead > to arguments and unrest. > > Agreed? > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > Somebody made a reference to Clinton (taken out of > > > context, but noteworthy) which is ironic in that he > > > and his kind would lean away from free thought and > > > free market and would be more inclined to influence > > > and moderate freedom. > > > > Hah? Care to give just one example where Clinton > > 'leaned away from free thought and free market'? > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Nov 9 00:19:23 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:19:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton References: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> <3BEB1080.DC406C7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00c101c168ab$ce5e08d0$a2021fac@brianm> Every time I hear/see someone stand up for Clinton, their credibility goes in the toilet! To each their own. I'm with Jim, this time, lets leave politics off Naktalk and it stands a far better chance of being friendly. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton > > > Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > > > National Health Care. > > You gotta be kidding... Clinton wanted to revamp the > sad situation of out health system. The republican > party went out of its way to sabotage this effort. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 00:19:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:19:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms In-Reply-To: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002a01c168ab$c8e917a0$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Marc I recall (but not the maker's name!) of a linear tracking arm that was built to fit conventional TTs. I seem to remember seeing it advertised at one point as suitable for my own Pink Triangle TT ... I got excited until I saw the price, which I seem to remember was around £1k! So, I got my RB300 arm upgraded by Origin Live instead!!! ;o) Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 00:19:18 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:19:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: <007201c16878$95ca1e60$852f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <002b01c168ab$ca0e0fa0$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 00:19:22 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:19:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c168ab$cc71f040$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Closer look? No, don't bother, don't let it get to you, buddy. Chill out to some great music on your Nak and get a smile on your face! ;o) It's sooo much more healthy to the body, soul and mind than getting churned up like this. I recommend a Bach violin concerto .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scalnajim at aol.com Sent: 08 November 2001 18:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch I'am Sorry Jim Volpatti for the mistake but the as_ who sent this email was not my wife Mr Nelson, she just forward it on to me. I wound who sent the email. Should we take a closer look ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 00:45:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:45:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <3BEB0F6C.A1B45210@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BEB1906.7BE7E867@earthlink.net> Ron, > > the spec on a good pivoted arm like the SME V is 0.012 degrees/mm. > I do not understand this spec. What does 'Per mm' mean? mm > of what? I would expect tracking error to be specified in > degrees. Foe example, ReVox specifies the B791 arm at less > than 0.5 degrees. This is the spec straight from the SME website. I also expect the maximum tracking angle spec to printed in degrees. I didn't quite understand it either. I was hoping some here more knowledgable than us might have the answer. > > Graham arm's spec is in the same ballpark. Intuitively (I'm trying to > > trust my intuition more as I get older), I would guess that the tracking > > error on even a "decent" LT arm (say, an Eminent Technology arm) has got > > to be similar or better. Keep in mind that the price of a even a decent > > LT arm is about the same as the very best pivoted arm. > > > > Also, Roy discusses the disadvantages of LT arm whose movement is driven > > by the record groove. The exact same issues exist for a pivoted arm so I > > don't understand his point here. > Not really. On a conventional arm, the stylus applies a > force equal to the *torsional* friction of the arm pivot > divided by its length. In a LT arm, the stylus applies a > force essentially equal to the *linear* friction of the > arm. In real world terms, LT arm exerts a *MUCH* higher > force of the groove wall than even a simple a conventional > arm. Not having the scientific background that you do, I have no means to debate this point. > This is why any serious implementation of a LT arm must > involve a rive motor. In the ReVox arm, the force exerted > by the stylus on the groove wall is close to zero (on a > perfectly concentric LP with fixed pitch, it *is* zero). What please explain exactly what a rive motor is and it's implementation in a tone arm? > > As to what he refers to as "stiction", ditto. Then again, the shorter > > pivot to stylus distance of a typical LT arm can exasperate the problem. > > 'Sticktion' refers to friction between perfectly smooth > surfaces (such as tape and head). > It seems to me that the distance between pivot and stylus > is immaterial in a LT arm, because the force does not act > to rotate the arm, but to move it laterally. But only in the "striction" force is applied tangential to the wand. Any uneven force will cause the wand to wonder off track, exasperating tracking error. > Second, issues stemming from the need to make the LT > arm as light as possible (and hence, highly under > damped) are true for any LT arm. As a result, an LT > arm can sound extremely good, but not quite as good > as a top notch conventional arm. Two such arms I > have personally found superior are the SME and the > Lenco. Please tell us what exactly you like better about the SME and Lenco. I sell both SME and Graham and am very interested. > > Being straight line designs with no offset angle, they do not require > > anti-skating, but the requirement for absolute accuracy in cartridge > > installation is nevertheless present. If the cartridge - or, more > > correctly, the cantilever and stylus - is not installed exactly, > > tracking error will remain a problem across the entire surface of the > > record. > > True, but correct installation should be a given in a > high quality system. Should be but is often very difficult. The alignment jig that comes with the Graham is one of the many aspects of the arm that I like. Errors as small as 1 mm can be significant in cartridge alignment. > > Also, perfect leveling of the turntable and arm is critical; > > otherwise, gravity will pull the arm and cartridge "downhill", placing a > > sideways strain on the cantilever. > > Only true for passive arms. A motor driven arm is immune > to tilting (aside from the slight reduction of VTF). True, but Roy's article already covered that. Thanks for you comments, Ron. I, for one, appreciate them. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 00:46:50 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:46:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> <3BEA9EED.4A94E9A1@concentric.net> <3BEAD11C.EEB38251@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEB196A.55EBDE4F@earthlink.net> Like I said... Perhaps we should refrain from political discussions here. I know I took the bait and responded to Brian's Clinton comment but political discussions here on Nak Talk are completely off topic and will only lead to arguments and unrest. Agreed? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 00:46:09 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:46:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms References: <002a01c168ab$c8e917a0$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01c801c168af$8a73e0a0$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> If you want a cheap linear tracker this one is around $380.00 usd note I know nothing about it !!!!! but it is made by a record company http://www.rauna.com/cantus.html Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms > Marc > > I recall (but not the maker's name!) of a linear tracking arm that was built > to fit conventional TTs. I seem to remember seeing it advertised at one > point as suitable for my own Pink Triangle TT ... I got excited until I saw > the price, which I seem to remember was around £1k! So, I got my RB300 arm > upgraded by Origin Live instead!!! ;o) > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 00:48:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:48:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <00f301c167d3$ed119f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3BE9B890.3DC273F6@pacbell.net> <3BEA9EED.4A94E9A1@concentric.net> <3BEAD11C.EEB38251@earthlink.net> <3BEB11B7.AB71027F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BEB19C9.F0A7A1F0@earthlink.net> I agree completely. Please excuse the email I just sent. I didn't ready this message until after I sent it. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > No problem. The best way to avoid such OT subjects is > to refrain from the first shot. Once posted, it's > difficult to avoid replies, especially when the original > is particularly underhanded. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 00:50:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:50:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms References: <002a01c168ab$c8e917a0$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEB1A3D.E202182B@earthlink.net> That's why I made the comment that even a decent linear tracking arm costs as much as the world's best pivoted arm. They are expeeeeeeeeensive! Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Marc > > I recall (but not the maker's name!) of a linear tracking arm that was built > to fit conventional TTs. I seem to remember seeing it advertised at one > point as suitable for my own Pink Triangle TT ... I got excited until I saw > the price, which I seem to remember was around £1k! So, I got my RB300 arm > upgraded by Origin Live instead!!! ;o) > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 9 02:00:49 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:00:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <006001c16878$22d911e0$852f2ac4@coqui.net> <3BEAD198.AC499258@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002101c168b9$f9964d60$0e212ac4@coqui.net> Hello my friend ! Glad to know that I'm welcome back ! best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > Carlos, where the heck have you been??!!!! Welcome back!! We've missed > you! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Ha, Ha, Ha ! This is the best and most sincere one I has seen concerning > > this discussion so far ! > > > > Carlos > > (I'm back !) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:07 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > > > All's fair in Love and auctions!!! > > > I will bid against anyone if its something > > > I want. Sorry guys, but money talks.... > > > JCO > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 9 02:02:05 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:02:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <000001c16820$574d2400$40ac193e@a4s1s2> <007201c16878$95ca1e60$852f2ac4@coqui.net> <003101c167c0$2437c120$eb299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002b01c168ba$292ff8a0$0e212ac4@coqui.net> Thanks Salim. I'm really enjoying Jimmy setting fire on you guys ! Ha, Ha, ha !!!!!!!!!!!!! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > 3 months ... where have you been Carlos ? > > We staged this dispute specifically as welcome back party for you :-) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > > Hello Gra': > > I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need > anymore war here. > > And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, > let it be ! > > PEACE BROTHERS !!!! > > Carlos > The Tape Man > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 9 02:02:43 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:02:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AF5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003501c168ba$3d632cc0$0e212ac4@coqui.net> Glad to be here, Tom ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Wow Dude! where have you been Carlos? Welcome back. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Friday, 9 November 2001 4:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch I appeal for peace, brothers and sisters - there's enough real unpleasantness in the World at the moment without a fight in this family, too. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 9 02:05:19 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:05:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BEB0359.8732A307@earthlink.net> <3BEB0CE5.61018264@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004501c168ba$9c11c2e0$0e212ac4@coqui.net> Apologize taken, now, let's all forget about that and keep "nakking." Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms > > Hi guys, > > For those of you who may not be interested in tone arm technology and > perhaps didn't read all the way down to the bottom of my last rather > lengthy message, I've copied the final paragraph and have included it > here. > > "I apologize to all on NakTalk about my outburst > yesterday. Although I continue to be very upset with Brian and how he > chose to handle our transaction, I will not discuss it here again. If > anyone is curious as to what happened, feel free to contact me at my > email address and I will respond with a factual account of what > transpired." > > Thank you, > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 9 02:07:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:07:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <002b01c168ab$ca0e0fa0$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005701c168ba$ef7c6fc0$0e212ac4@coqui.net> I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron at gmx.net Fri Nov 9 01:29:46 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:29:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ebay watch Clinton In-Reply-To: <00c101c168ab$ce5e08d0$a2021fac@brianm> References: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> <3BEB1080.DC406C7@concentric.net> <00c101c168ab$ce5e08d0$a2021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20011109012946.A3927@esme.xs4all.nl> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 06:19:23PM -0500, Brian Miller wrote: > I'm with Jim, this time, lets leave politics off Naktalk and it > stands a far better chance of being friendly. Sounds like a wise move... You have my vote. ;-) Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 01:24:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:24:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms In-Reply-To: <01c801c168af$8a73e0a0$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003c01c168b4$e0329d60$de6887d9@a4s1s2> Excellent, Warren! Interesting find. I've not heard of Rauna before but I have of Opus 3. Opus 3 make audiophile recordings onto vinyl and CD. For the recording engineers amongst us, their philosophy may be of interest: OPUS 3 - Philosophy: Depth of Image So accustomed are we to three-dimensional vision, that we never really think about it. But we need only shut one eye for our judgement of distances to be reduced and our three-dimensional vision to disappear: we need both eyes and the relation between them in order for see three - dimensionally. Much the same is true of our hearing. Our brain and auditory system "process" the sound-waves reaching each ear, with regard to level, direction, time and frequency content. The signal is further "analysed" by our brain and auditory system, and the differences between signals coming from our two ears tell us, for example, about distance to the different sound sources and their relative positions. We experience ìDepth of Image": for example, the different instruments of the orchestra in a concert hall are differently placed, not only from left to right but also in depth, together with the size and acoustics of the concert hall. By "collecting" the total sound at one single point with a stereo microphone -that is, a microphone with its capsules as close together as possible -we obtain a strict relation between the direct sound and the reflected sound (the diffused sound field), and this gives our brain and auditory system important information for building up an illusion of "reality" - the concert hall, the church or the jazz club. It is also very important for the direct and the reflected sound to have an exact acoustic connection with the sound-waves from each instrument. In traditional recording studios, there is, basically, one microphone (or sometimes even more) per instrument, and these are then mixed together electrically. This is not real stereo, it is just panned mono. Since, moreover, the microphones are usually placed very close to each instrument in an acoustically dead studio, all one gets is the direct sound of the instrument, and so artificial reverberation has to be "added on" electrically afterwards. Timbre By timbre we mean the specific character of an acoustic musical instrument - meaning, for example, what makes it possible for us to tell one instrument from another. The timbre of a musical instrument is a combination of its significant spectral distribution, i.e. the relation between notes and their harmonics and each relative level and frequency distribution, and last but not least, the way in which the sound-waves radiate from the body of the instrument. All our acoustic instruments are designed to be played in some form of concert hall, i.e. in a place where you hear both the direct sound of the instrument and the reverberation of the environment. If, like Opus 3, you are aiming for as natural an instrumental timbre as possible, it is vitally important that acoustic instruments can also be recorded in the type of surroundings they were originally designed to be played in, but also with longer microphone distances, so as also to capture the sound radiating from the whole sounding body of the instrument. The short microphone distances normally used also make the timbre unnatural, and so it has to be "restored" artificially, using various equalizers etc. We mustn't forget that when our acoustic musical instruments were created, a long time ago, neither electricity, microphones or recording studios existed! Dynamics The dynamic range of a musical instrument is the difference between the loudest and the softest sound level it is capable of producing. Like timbre, the dynamics of a musical instrument depend, not only on how it is built but also on how it is used by the composer and performer. Dynamics in this sense are used to create a large number and variety of musical effects, changes of emotion, mood and expression etc., etc. The dynamic properties of a musical instrument are also very much affected by the way in which it is recorded. The short microphone distances used for multi-microphone recording in traditional studios also exaggerate the recorded dynamics. Just like timbre, the dynamic balance then has to be artificially "restored", using compressors, limiters and so on. Discussions of sound nowadays tend to be very much preoccupied with the digital links of the sound reproduction chain, especially where gramophone recordings are concerned. Attention very often focuses exclusively on the type of A/D converter used, how many bits, the amount of oversampling, how the equipment is specially modified, and so on and so forth. When Opus 3 started at the end of 1976, there was far more talk about the way in which the actual recording was done purely in terms of recording technique or philosophy - that is, the methodology employed (multi- mike versus twin microphone technique etc.) and the type of recording situation chosen - natural environments or traditional studio technique, and so on. Whatever the technical apparatus, it is still the actual, recording philosophy that does most to decide what a recording will sound like - a fact which has been virtually lost sight of in the discussion of sound today. The quantity of electronics used in a recording is also highly important. In the type of mixer consoles commonly used in a studio nowadays, the acoustic signal passes through a very large number of amplifier stages - between thirty and forty or more is not unusual! The Opus 3 electronics, which are mainly tube-equipped and which we have partly developed ourselves, seldom include more than three of four amplifier stages between microphone and storage medium. Opus 3's recording technique has been specially developed for acoustic music and is based on using the natural acoustics of authentic environments such as churches, concert halls, jazz clubs and so on. We match the venue to the music, so to speak, as opposed to the common studio practice of adding an artificial reverberation afterwards and so on. The positioning of the microphone in the recording room and the positioning of the musicians in relation to the microphone are also extremely important. >From the very outset we have used what is known as the coincident or X/Y recording technique, mainly employing the special configuration of crossed figure of eights, also known as the Blumlein technique, after Alan Dower Blumlein, the British radar engineer who developed the technique way back in 1934. Bo Hansson and Jan-Eric Persson - Opus 3 Records -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 08 November 2001 23:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms If you want a cheap linear tracker this one is around $380.00 usd note I know nothing about it !!!!! but it is made by a record company http://www.rauna.com/cantus.html Warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 02:08:41 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:08:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton References: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> <3BEB1080.DC406C7@concentric.net> <00c101c168ab$ce5e08d0$a2021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <01eb01c168bb$128406e0$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> Brian wrote > Every time I hear/see someone stand up for Clinton, their credibility goes > in the toilet! To each their own. I'm with Jim, this time, lets leave > politics off Naktalk and it stands a far better chance of being friendly. > Well though its fine to say that we should leave politics off of Naktalk, its pretty hypocritical to say that and take a shot at Clinton at the same time. Either we stay away from politics or we all get to have our say, not just you. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Fri Nov 9 03:23:28 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:23:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton Message-ID: <16b.3a3160c.291c9820@aol.com> Socialized medicine no thank you comrade! Maybe those of us who own higher end Nakamichi decks should sell them and pool all the funds together so we all could buy BX-150's. Ron, do you record a lot of N.P.R.? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Fri Nov 9 03:40:36 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:40:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Car audio inquiry Message-ID: <13c.4314c94.291c9c28@aol.com> The 1000td sounds similar to the TD1200MKII except for the turner which is an improvement but the lack of NAAC system is drawback. DA-41 sounds fine and works well with the 1000td. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 03:53:29 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <3BEB0F6C.A1B45210@concentric.net> <3BEB1906.7BE7E867@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEB4529.14C2DA48@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > [............] > What please explain exactly what a rive motor is and it's implementation > in a tone arm? > > > > As to what he refers to as "stiction", ditto. Then again, the shorter > > > pivot to stylus distance of a typical LT arm can exasperate the problem. A 'rive' motor is an ooooops. I meant, 'drive' motor. > > > > 'Sticktion' refers to friction between perfectly smooth > > surfaces (such as tape and head). > > > It seems to me that the distance between pivot and stylus > > is immaterial in a LT arm, because the force does not act > > to rotate the arm, but to move it laterally. > > But only in the "striction" force is applied tangential to the wand. Any > uneven force will cause the wand to wonder off track, exasperating > tracking error. The ReVox arm is motor driven and servo controlled. The servo circuit is adaptive, meaning that it learns from the previous tracking error. As a result, the arm moves in at a constant speed, as dictated by the record groove. For LPs that utilize variable pitch, the servo goes into action to make the necessary correction. The bottom line is that any uneven force is corrected for almost immediately and does not contribute to tracking error > > > Second, issues stemming from the need to make the LT > > arm as light as possible (and hence, highly under > > damped) are true for any LT arm. As a result, an LT > > arm can sound extremely good, but not quite as good > > as a top notch conventional arm. Two such arms I > > have personally found superior are the SME and the > > Lenco. > > Please tell us what exactly you like better about the > SME and Lenco. I sell both SME and Graham and am very > interested. The advantage of the ReVox arm is that LP wear is next to zero. The disadvantage is mentioned by Graham: it is next to impossible to correctly dampen LT arms. This leads to subtle sonic degradation. Not obvious with a good design such as the ReVox but extended listening to the SME or Lenco revealed inner detail and airiness that the ReVox doesn't quite deliver. This, of course, is subjective. YMMV. (BTW, I preferred the SME, though the Lenco was quite good, too -- I owned both for several years each). Have a nice evening (what's left of it), -- Ron > > > Being straight line designs with no offset angle, they do not require > > > anti-skating, but the requirement for absolute accuracy in cartridge > > > installation is nevertheless present. If the cartridge - or, more > > > correctly, the cantilever and stylus - is not installed exactly, > > > tracking error will remain a problem across the entire surface of the > > > record. > > > > True, but correct installation should be a given in a > > high quality system. > > Should be but is often very difficult. The alignment jig that comes with > the Graham is one of the many aspects of the arm that I like. Errors as > small as 1 mm can be significant in cartridge alignment. > > > > Also, perfect leveling of the turntable and arm is critical; > > > otherwise, gravity will pull the arm and cartridge "downhill", placing a > > > sideways strain on the cantilever. > > > > Only true for passive arms. A motor driven arm is immune > > to tilting (aside from the slight reduction of VTF). > > True, but Roy's article already covered that. > > Thanks for you comments, Ron. I, for one, appreciate them. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 04:19:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:19:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton References: <163.3953014.291c2a22@aol.com> <3BEB1080.DC406C7@concentric.net> <00c101c168ab$ce5e08d0$a2021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3BEB4B3D.F062E7A9@concentric.net> Brian Miller wrote: > > Every time I hear/see someone stand up for Clinton, their > credibility goes in the toilet! Ahh, you must be a Dan Quayle man? > To each their own. I'm with Jim, this time, lets leave > politics off Naktalk and it stands a far better chance of > being friendly. Having started with a slur, the sincerity of your ending is kinda lacking. As to your friendliness -- anyone that wants it is welcome to it. I never thought I'd ever killfile someone on NakTalk, but you and your toilet made the grade. I'm sure both of you deserve each other. Plonk! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Nov 9 04:04:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:34:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> My innacous posting of spotting my favourite 1000ZXL parts ( with gold plating)had brought out look who - Carlos the king of Nak & other collection!!! Have you collected anything lately? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 04:35:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:35:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <3BEB0F6C.A1B45210@concentric.net> <3BEB1906.7BE7E867@earthlink.net> <3BEB4529.14C2DA48@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BEB4F07.AD76D60@earthlink.net> Thanks for the info, Ron. If you don't mind, which of the SME arms did you own and what cartridge did you use with it? I'm headed to the listening room to listen to Elton John's 11-17-70, an album recording live in a New York studio in front of perhaps 200 people. What the band didn't know is that it was also being broadcast live on the radio. Damn good listening for anyone so inclined. Jim Volpatti > The advantage of the ReVox arm is that LP wear is next to > zero. The disadvantage is mentioned by Graham: it is next > to impossible to correctly dampen LT arms. This leads to > subtle sonic degradation. Not obvious with a good design > such as the ReVox but extended listening to the SME or > Lenco revealed inner detail and airiness that the ReVox > doesn't quite deliver. This, of course, is subjective. > YMMV. (BTW, I preferred the SME, though the Lenco was > quite good, too -- I owned both for several years each). > > Have a nice evening (what's left of it), > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton > > > Socialized medicine no thank you comrade! > > Wake up one day with a Hundred thousand dollar insurance bill > because your insurance maxed out and you'll change your tune. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Nov 9 08:54:46 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:54:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Unipivot/LT - interesting discussion Message-ID: <3BEB8BC6.16D55C1F@sunint.co.za> Ron, Jim, Warren and Graham, Thanks again for the lively debate on the meirts of these concepts of exacting industrial design. Ron, I am familiar with the Lenco arms on the old B55, GL72, GL75/78 and GL85. My dad still has his GL72 - an idler design but it still sounds great. I heard a white-plinthed L85 in the late 70s and was very impressed both with it's appearance and sound. It was running one of the better Goldring MCs. This was the first time I saw a Nakamichi 1000. Can you recall which Lenco arm/record deck impressed you? And Graham, did you ever use the Rega RB300 arm "as is" before having the Origin Live upgrade? How would you rate the improvements? Regards to all, and welcome back Carlos!!! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Fri Nov 9 08:54:11 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:54:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFDC@CPT-01> their philosophy sounds very interesting and of course i agree that the quality of recordings seems to have dipped after 1980 when solid state took over from tube for consoles etc. i don't know what other members think about that. i must try and track down some of their recordings. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 09 November 2001 02:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms Excellent, Warren! Interesting find. I've not heard of Rauna before but I have of Opus 3. Opus 3 make audiophile recordings onto vinyl and CD. For the recording engineers amongst us, their philosophy may be of interest: OPUS 3 - Philosophy: Depth of Image So accustomed are we to three-dimensional vision, that we never really think about it. But we need only shut one eye for our judgement of distances to be reduced and our three-dimensional vision to disappear: we need both eyes and the relation between them in order for see three - dimensionally. Much the same is true of our hearing. Our brain and auditory system "process" the sound-waves reaching each ear, with regard to level, direction, time and frequency content. The signal is further "analysed" by our brain and auditory system, and the differences between signals coming from our two ears tell us, for example, about distance to the different sound sources and their relative positions. We experience ìDepth of Image": for example, the different instruments of the orchestra in a concert hall are differently placed, not only from left to right but also in depth, together with the size and acoustics of the concert hall. By "collecting" the total sound at one single point with a stereo microphone -that is, a microphone with its capsules as close together as possible -we obtain a strict relation between the direct sound and the reflected sound (the diffused sound field), and this gives our brain and auditory system important information for building up an illusion of "reality" - the concert hall, the church or the jazz club. It is also very important for the direct and the reflected sound to have an exact acoustic connection with the sound-waves from each instrument. In traditional recording studios, there is, basically, one microphone (or sometimes even more) per instrument, and these are then mixed together electrically. This is not real stereo, it is just panned mono. Since, moreover, the microphones are usually placed very close to each instrument in an acoustically dead studio, all one gets is the direct sound of the instrument, and so artificial reverberation has to be "added on" electrically afterwards. Timbre By timbre we mean the specific character of an acoustic musical instrument - meaning, for example, what makes it possible for us to tell one instrument from another. The timbre of a musical instrument is a combination of its significant spectral distribution, i.e. the relation between notes and their harmonics and each relative level and frequency distribution, and last but not least, the way in which the sound-waves radiate from the body of the instrument. All our acoustic instruments are designed to be played in some form of concert hall, i.e. in a place where you hear both the direct sound of the instrument and the reverberation of the environment. If, like Opus 3, you are aiming for as natural an instrumental timbre as possible, it is vitally important that acoustic instruments can also be recorded in the type of surroundings they were originally designed to be played in, but also with longer microphone distances, so as also to capture the sound radiating from the whole sounding body of the instrument. The short microphone distances normally used also make the timbre unnatural, and so it has to be "restored" artificially, using various equalizers etc. We mustn't forget that when our acoustic musical instruments were created, a long time ago, neither electricity, microphones or recording studios existed! Dynamics The dynamic range of a musical instrument is the difference between the loudest and the softest sound level it is capable of producing. Like timbre, the dynamics of a musical instrument depend, not only on how it is built but also on how it is used by the composer and performer. Dynamics in this sense are used to create a large number and variety of musical effects, changes of emotion, mood and expression etc., etc. The dynamic properties of a musical instrument are also very much affected by the way in which it is recorded. The short microphone distances used for multi-microphone recording in traditional studios also exaggerate the recorded dynamics. Just like timbre, the dynamic balance then has to be artificially "restored", using compressors, limiters and so on. Discussions of sound nowadays tend to be very much preoccupied with the digital links of the sound reproduction chain, especially where gramophone recordings are concerned. Attention very often focuses exclusively on the type of A/D converter used, how many bits, the amount of oversampling, how the equipment is specially modified, and so on and so forth. When Opus 3 started at the end of 1976, there was far more talk about the way in which the actual recording was done purely in terms of recording technique or philosophy - that is, the methodology employed (multi- mike versus twin microphone technique etc.) and the type of recording situation chosen - natural environments or traditional studio technique, and so on. Whatever the technical apparatus, it is still the actual, recording philosophy that does most to decide what a recording will sound like - a fact which has been virtually lost sight of in the discussion of sound today. The quantity of electronics used in a recording is also highly important. In the type of mixer consoles commonly used in a studio nowadays, the acoustic signal passes through a very large number of amplifier stages - between thirty and forty or more is not unusual! The Opus 3 electronics, which are mainly tube-equipped and which we have partly developed ourselves, seldom include more than three of four amplifier stages between microphone and storage medium. Opus 3's recording technique has been specially developed for acoustic music and is based on using the natural acoustics of authentic environments such as churches, concert halls, jazz clubs and so on. We match the venue to the music, so to speak, as opposed to the common studio practice of adding an artificial reverberation afterwards and so on. The positioning of the microphone in the recording room and the positioning of the musicians in relation to the microphone are also extremely important. >From the very outset we have used what is known as the coincident or X/Y recording technique, mainly employing the special configuration of crossed figure of eights, also known as the Blumlein technique, after Alan Dower Blumlein, the British radar engineer who developed the technique way back in 1934. Bo Hansson and Jan-Eric Persson - Opus 3 Records -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [ mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 08 November 2001 23:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks: Linear tracking arms If you want a cheap linear tracker this one is around $380.00 usd note I know nothing about it !!!!! but it is made by a record company http://www.rauna.com/cantus.html Warren ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Who can argue with such profound reasoning? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 14:36:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:36:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Linear tracking vs pivoted arms References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <3BEB0F6C.A1B45210@concentric.net> <3BEB1906.7BE7E867@earthlink.net> <3BEB4529.14C2DA48@concentric.net> <3BEB4F07.AD76D60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEBDBF2.2EC4D267@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Thanks for the info, Ron. If you don't mind, which of the SME arms did > you own and what cartridge did you use with it? It was the 3009 (9" one). I had a variety of cartridges and finally settled on the Shure V-15. Obviously, I prefer a bright, 'open' sound. The ReVox B-791 came with a Shure 'Tracer' cartridge, which was 'house model', made specifically for ReVox. It was similar (maybe even equivalent) to the Shure M-95 series. It was too bright. At the advice of a dealer friend, that had listened to a lot more cartridges than I had, I switched to Ortofon MC models (a couple of them), then tried an awfully expensive Japanese one (the name escapes me -- this was like 17 years ago). All these improved on the excessive brightness but robbed the sound of any intimacy, it was just blah... Again, I finally settled on a Shure (this time, a V15-VMR) that I use to this day. -- Ron > I'm headed to the listening room to listen to Elton John's 11-17-70, an > album recording live in a New York studio in front of perhaps 200 > people. What the band didn't know is that it was also being broadcast > live on the radio. Damn good listening for anyone so inclined. > > Jim Volpatti > > > The advantage of the ReVox arm is that LP wear is next to > > zero. The disadvantage is mentioned by Graham: it is next > > to impossible to correctly dampen LT arms. This leads to > > subtle sonic degradation. Not obvious with a good design > > such as the ReVox but extended listening to the SME or > > Lenco revealed inner detail and airiness that the ReVox > > doesn't quite deliver. This, of course, is subjective. > > YMMV. (BTW, I preferred the SME, though the Lenco was > > quite good, too -- I owned both for several years each). > > > > Have a nice evening (what's left of it), > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 9 14:44:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:44:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Unipivot/LT - interesting discussion References: <3BEB8BC6.16D55C1F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3BEBDDA0.9EFD1143@concentric.net> Marc Hugo wrote: > > Ron, Jim, Warren and Graham, > > Thanks again for the lively debate on the meirts of these concepts of > exacting industrial design. Ron, I am familiar with the Lenco arms on > the old B55, GL72, GL75/78 and GL85. My dad still has his GL72 - an > idler design but it still sounds great. I heard a white-plinthed L85 in > the late 70s and was very impressed both with it's appearance and > sound. It was running one of the better Goldring MCs. This was the > first time I saw a Nakamichi 1000. > > Can you recall which Lenco arm/record deck impressed you? No, I cannot. I can't even recall the cartridge. The arm was mounted with a white Garrard 301 on a wood base finished in Golden Oak. Funny how I remember the inconsequential, yet forgot the central. I do remember I enjoyed it much for a number of years. -- Ron > And Graham, did you ever use the Rega RB300 arm "as is" before having > the Origin Live upgrade? How would you rate the improvements? > > Regards to all, and welcome back Carlos!!! > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Nov 9 19:15:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:15:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Car audio inquiry References: <13c.4314c94.291c9c28@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BEC1D48.5B9931C4@pacbell.net> Thank you for your thoughts regarding car audio. Given the fact that I do not place a high priority on car audio, what do you think about the td45, linked with the mf-51 with or without the dac-41 (I have not determined the price of the converter yet) but, as I mentioned, the td45 can be had for about $250.00 installed? The low cost is tempting and Nak offers a 3 year warranty. Thank you very much. Brian Stocker Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > The 1000td sounds similar to the TD1200MKII except for the turner which is an improvement but the lack of NAAC system is drawback. DA-41 sounds fine and works well with the 1000td. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 19:19:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:19:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton In-Reply-To: <16b.3a3160c.291c9820@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c1694b$0baf8340$8c9586d9@a4s1s2> Nah, mate - doing that sounds more like Communism than Socialism ;o[) Indeed, there's more real socialism on this site than many here might like to admit ... after all, do we not all SHARE our knowledge Nakamichi's (etc) and time readily, without asking for anything in exchange? Why, some of us have even made gifts of valuable objects. The true Capitalists are those who would make a profit from all these opportunities unless s/he were selling a loss-leader, or else he'd at least demand a "quid pro quo"! ;o[) Aha! See? We Socialist 5th Columnists have been covertly converting you all by the very existence of this site!!! "Keep the Red flag flying .... da da da da daah daah ... I forget the words right now but I'll look 'em up la-ter ..." (Sing to the first few bars of the tune of The Red Flag ... it works.) {;o#[)# - El Fidel Nakamstro, the famous Nipo-Cuban Revolutionary .... (your red Nakamichi brother from the Democratic Socialist Republic of Liverpool in England) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scalnajim at aol.com Sent: 09 November 2001 02:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton Socialized medicine no thank you comrade! Maybe those of us who own higher end Nakamichi decks should sell them and pool all the funds together so we all could buy BX-150's. Ron, do you record a lot of N.P.R.? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 19:37:09 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:37:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFDC@CPT-01> Message-ID: <007101c1694d$8a54dc20$45ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Well who would have guessed that a list that is devoted to 20 year old cassette decks could cover everything from tape alignment, to national health. Well at least we are never boring. Have a great weekend all and welcome back Carlos Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 9 19:39:48 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:39:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Unipivot/LT - interesting discussion In-Reply-To: <3BEB8BC6.16D55C1F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <000e01c1694d$e8d29e40$8c9586d9@a4s1s2> Hi Marc Oh yes - I used the RB300 before the upgrade by Origin Live. However, the upgrade I went for was the Full Monty! That is, both the physical upgrade to the counter-weight and re-wiring. So, I cannot say which of the two has made the most difference. But a big difference there is! BTW, you may be interested to know that the Origin Live upgrade to the counter weight part of the arm is remarkably similar to the design used on the old Lenco's - I refer, of course, to the part isolation of the counterweight from the arm tube itself - difficult to describe! Have a look at the Origin Live web site and you'll see what I mean. My next upgrade )when, I don't know) will probably to get the Origin Live TT motor and fix it to the Pink Triangle TT, to replace the low torque, pathetic excuse for a motor that they fitted on the old PT TOO! (I mean, you ever get the chance to see the PT motor and compare it with the that strong bugger that churns on and on in a Lenco 75 or 78, for example, and you'll know why I am so scathing about the PT's motor.) However, the Lenco arms on the 75 and 78 are generally not well regarded in the UK , I think, because they seem so delicate and darn-right temperamental. Yep - they are, too! Sometimes I can achieve a better focus from the record just by giving the arm a shake and twist! And then, just as you think you have the arm balanced just right, riding in just the right angle (etc), set to exactly the right tracking weight, the blighter won't even sit on the record!!! More jiggling around and it works properly again, giving me some wonderful trips into my record collection. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: 09 November 2001 07:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Unipivot/LT - interesting discussion Ron, Jim, Warren and Graham, Thanks again for the lively debate on the meirts of these concepts of exacting industrial design. Ron, I am familiar with the Lenco arms on the old B55, GL72, GL75/78 and GL85. My dad still has his GL72 - an idler design but it still sounds great. I heard a white-plinthed L85 in the late 70s and was very impressed both with it's appearance and sound. It was running one of the better Goldring MCs. This was the first time I saw a Nakamichi 1000. Can you recall which Lenco arm/record deck impressed you? And Graham, did you ever use the Rega RB300 arm "as is" before having the Origin Live upgrade? How would you rate the improvements? Regards to all, and welcome back Carlos!!! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 20:21:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:21:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton References: <000001c1694b$0baf8340$8c9586d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEC2CB3.92DEE760@earthlink.net> I see we are all susceptible "taking the bait" regarding political debate here on NakTalk but must we continue? It REALLY is off topic. Lets go back to discussing all things audio, shall we? Thanks! = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > > Nah, mate - doing that sounds more like Communism than Socialism ;o[) > > Indeed, there's more real socialism on this site than many here might like > to admit ... after all, do we not all SHARE our knowledge Nakamichi's (etc) > and time readily, without asking for anything in exchange? Why, some of us > have even made gifts of valuable objects. The true Capitalists are those > who would make a profit from all these opportunities unless s/he were > selling a loss-leader, or else he'd at least demand a "quid pro quo"! ;o[) > > Aha! See? We Socialist 5th Columnists have been covertly converting you > all by the very existence of this site!!! > > "Keep the Red flag flying .... da da da da daah daah ... I forget the words > right now but I'll look 'em up la-ter ..." (Sing to the first few bars of > the tune of The Red Flag ... it works.) > > {;o#[)# - El Fidel Nakamstro, the famous Nipo-Cuban Revolutionary .... > (your red Nakamichi brother from the Democratic Socialist Republic of > Liverpool in England) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Scalnajim at aol.com > Sent: 09 November 2001 02:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Clinton > > Socialized medicine no thank you comrade! > > Maybe those of us who own higher end Nakamichi decks should sell them and > pool all the funds together so we all could buy BX-150's. > > Ron, do you record a lot of N.P.R.? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Nov 10 13:34:45 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:34:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travelling Message-ID: <03af01c169e4$1885dad0$0a00a8c0@diddlmaus> Hi, have a problem with tape traveling. How can I easily adjust supply and take-up roller without the Nakamichi jig? Got a completely mis aligned ZX680. The rollers are changed Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Nov 10 15:58:27 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:58:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000901c169f8$295f4580$4e312ac4@coqui.net> Nothing, really. I still have my 700 ZXL packed and ready to be ship to Stephen to be fix for 4 months now. We are so busy in the replication factory that I hardly have time for anything else, but, I'm glad to be here again ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch My innacous posting of spotting my favourite 1000ZXL parts ( with gold plating)had brought out look who - Carlos the king of Nak & other collection!!! Have you collected anything lately? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Nov 10 16:34:41 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:34:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BFDC@CPT-01> <007101c1694d$8a54dc20$45ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002d01c169fd$37df2da0$2c212ac4@coqui.net> Thanks, Warren ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk > Well who would have guessed that a list > that is devoted to 20 year old cassette decks > could cover everything from tape alignment, > to national health. > Well at least we are never boring. > Have a great weekend all and welcome back Carlos > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Nov 10 16:42:19 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:42:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> <000901c169f8$295f4580$4e312ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <002901c169fe$485b7ed0$32756acf@johnrotten> Carlos, What are you replicating, Nakamichi's? :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Nothing, really. I still have my 700 ZXL packed and ready to be ship to Stephen to be fix for 4 months now. We are so busy in the replication factory that I hardly have time for anything else, but, I'm glad to be here again ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch My innacous posting of spotting my favourite 1000ZXL parts ( with gold plating)had brought out look who - Carlos the king of Nak & other collection!!! Have you collected anything lately? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 9 17:22:50 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 23:22:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travelling References: <03af01c169e4$1885dad0$0a00a8c0@diddlmaus> Message-ID: <000b01c1693a$dcd43940$6b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Wolfgang ... or hello herr doktor :-), Here's what I usually do with mixed adequate - satisfactory results: Using sawed off cassette shell to see the tape travel, try to align left / supply roller - when you push play (from stop or pause), the tape guide should be able to advance to capstan smoothly without touching tape's edge. I use erase head as reference point - the exposed width of erase head should be equal on upper and lower side, nak made upper side white and lower side black simply to make this more difficult. You can compare with your other naks roughly how much of this white portion is visible. Usually right / takeup guide doesn't need any adjustment, and it's very difficult to tell if it's misaligned, other than looking at erase head reference point. Another symptom that right side needs adjustment (after left guide checked okay) is that playback didn't start 'spot on' but needs some time to get aligned, just like bad tape on NAAC. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tape travelling Hi, have a problem with tape traveling. How can I easily adjust supply and take-up roller without the Nakamichi jig? Got a completely mis aligned ZX680. The rollers are changed Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 9 17:47:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 23:47:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? Message-ID: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> I just received a 128kb attachment from nak member, and another 2-3 with approx similar size from various e-friends this month. I never used viruscan and never opened suspicious attachment. Is there any new popular virus lately ? Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Nov 10 17:58:14 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:58:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> Yes, my Norton Anti-Virus picked it up and fixed it. I deleted it anyway without opening it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > I just received a 128kb attachment from nak member, and another 2-3 with > approx similar size from various e-friends this month. I never used > viruscan and never opened suspicious attachment. Is there any new popular > virus lately ? > > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Nov 10 18:33:36 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:33:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, It's a virus, something like "I.WORM.MAGISTR" or similar. Please check your computer for trojans! Misha > >I just received a 128kb attachment from nak member, and another 2-3 with >approx similar size from various e-friends this month. I never used >viruscan and never opened suspicious attachment. Is there any new popular >virus lately ? > >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 9 19:00:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:00:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <003d01c16948$5b8529e0$6b289bca@smarzuki> Thanks John, this one's gotta be a 'newbie' in virus programming .. 128 kb ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? Yes, my Norton Anti-Virus picked it up and fixed it. I deleted it anyway without opening it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Nov 10 22:44:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:44:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> <000901c169f8$295f4580$4e312ac4@coqui.net> <002901c169fe$485b7ed0$32756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000f01c16a30$ebe655c0$682f2ac4@coqui.net> No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from Switzerland. At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, What are you replicating, Nakamichi's? :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Nothing, really. I still have my 700 ZXL packed and ready to be ship to Stephen to be fix for 4 months now. We are so busy in the replication factory that I hardly have time for anything else, but, I'm glad to be here again ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch My innacous posting of spotting my favourite 1000ZXL parts ( with gold plating)had brought out look who - Carlos the king of Nak & other collection!!! Have you collected anything lately? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 10 22:13:24 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:13:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travelling In-Reply-To: <000b01c1693a$dcd43940$6b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi, A friend is upgrading his home theatre system and is set on utilizing Linn equipment as he loves his Linn speakers. Anyway, we are looking for somebody on the list that is intimate with Linn products and technology. We want to go active on front/center speakers with all linn amps. somebody familiar with the Linn A/V preamp controller would be great to chat with. We are looking for information from an unbiased (read: non linn sales type) person. Regards, Carl and Russ -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape travelling Hi Wolfgang ... or hello herr doktor :-), Here's what I usually do with mixed adequate - satisfactory results: Using sawed off cassette shell to see the tape travel, try to align left / supply roller - when you push play (from stop or pause), the tape guide should be able to advance to capstan smoothly without touching tape's edge. I use erase head as reference point - the exposed width of erase head should be equal on upper and lower side, nak made upper side white and lower side black simply to make this more difficult. You can compare with your other naks roughly how much of this white portion is visible. Usually right / takeup guide doesn't need any adjustment, and it's very difficult to tell if it's misaligned, other than looking at erase head reference point. Another symptom that right side needs adjustment (after left guide checked okay) is that playback didn't start 'spot on' but needs some time to get aligned, just like bad tape on NAAC. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tape travelling Hi, have a problem with tape traveling. How can I easily adjust supply and take-up roller without the Nakamichi jig? Got a completely mis aligned ZX680. The rollers are changed Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Nov 10 22:35:17 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:35:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Virus In-Reply-To: <200111101625.RAA19774@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: For the curious people, here's the header of that suspect message . As you can see, the attached file is CFGWIZ32.EXE, wich probably won't do much good when executed . Eddy > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) > From: Umar Farooq > Subject: [naktalk] Hammond6C:\Data\Sample Apps\Internet\Products of > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_0144BC92.B7BC9280 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > HammondBC:\Program Files\Microsoft > Office\Office\Samples\ProductsNoPic.doc Joan Hammond=C:\Program > Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Products.doc at hp4. > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_0144BC92.B7BC9280 > Content-Type: image/gif; name="CFGWIZ32.EXE" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CFGWIZ32.EXE" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 10 22:45:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:45:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> Same here. The giveaway (besides Norton's complaint) was that, while all NakTalk email goes to my NalTalk directory, this one went to my Inbox -- clear sign that the 'To' header did not contain 'NakTalk'. Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. BTW, this one came from Umar Farooq -- a slightly Arabic name. Could be a plant, though. Oh, well... -- Ron > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Yes, my Norton Anti-Virus picked it up and fixed it. I deleted > it anyway without opening it. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > > > > I just received a 128kb attachment from nak member, and > another 2-3 with > > approx similar size from various e-friends this month. I > never used > > viruscan and never opened suspicious attachment. Is there > any new popular > > virus lately ? > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 10 22:50:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:50:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> <000901c169f8$295f4580$4e312ac4@coqui.net> <002901c169fe$485b7ed0$32756acf@johnrotten> <000f01c16a30$ebe655c0$682f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3BEDA13A.9D058E10@concentric.net> Not the beginning of the end of an era, but somewhere between the middle and the end. How sad. >No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my >customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 >speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all >our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from >Switzerland. > >At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to >say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. > >Carlos > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch > > Carlos, > > What are you replicating, Nakamichi's? :-) > > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Sat Nov 10 23:15:56 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:15:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: [...] > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. [...] I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars ( or Naks ;-) ). Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 11 00:21:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:21:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> Because the average consumer has come to expect that they will have problems with their computer, regardless of whether it's hardware or software related. The automobile was born over 110 years ago and has gradually become more complex and reliable with time. The average PC is too complex, too flexible and too prone to problems. Given the poor product quality of powerful companies like MicroSoft, the outlook isn't bright. I'm considering switching to a Lynix operating system. I've always had contempt for monopolies, especially those as brash as MicroSoft. Jim Volpatti Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: > [...] > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. > [...] > > I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why > customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software > (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain > mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars > ( or Naks ;-) ). > > Cheerio, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sun Nov 11 03:00:18 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:00:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c16a54$9ec91560$2102a8c0@henry> People seem to forget that they are in on the infancy of computing. Cars, airplanes, TV's even things like roads and houses were all once at the state PC's are now. Everyone expects them to be perfect, but they have only been a 'household' item for less than 30 years. The frequency that a newer car breaks down or needs service is very much less often than even ten years ago. We just take that level of refinement in their engineering for granted. It is also interesting what a long and glorious history putting mechanical grooves in a surface to represent sound has had, yet we still have spirited discussions right here about how a certain design has fatal flaws - even though it is touted (and priced) as top-of-the-line. Yes, the PC is very complex, as is the software that goes on them to make them do something useful. Until the design state of both becomes stable and the people making them can have time to refine instead of invent we will have unstable computers. Given the state of computing 10 years ago compared with today, I will take today. I can send pictures to friends, I keep in touch with those friends easily and instantly, I have converted my old records and tapes to MP3 files for casual listening, and I can do any number of things that were just not possible before. Yes, I have been burned by technologies going obsolete, and I have spent a lot of money on upgrades to both hardware and software. But I do it because I enjoy it, not because anyone is holding a gun to my head. My personal machine does not crash, but I am careful to keep things up to date and not install just anything that comes along. I pay attention to the state of the industry and know something about them. I understand that a lot of people do have problems with their home and work PC's, but it is not always the big, nasty software companies that are making life miserable. The little guys are there when you want to leave the big nasties behind, but don't believe that there are no bugs or viruses or worms there, either. If you do believe that, you will be in for a big surprise. Not to say that MS needs your money, but there is no Utopia. I think that a lot of computer users need to see the PC and the software running on them for what they are, not what the fantasies on StarTrek make them out to be. Off my soap box. Sorry for the rant. :) Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? Because the average consumer has come to expect that they will have problems with their computer, regardless of whether it's hardware or software related. The automobile was born over 110 years ago and has gradually become more complex and reliable with time. The average PC is too complex, too flexible and too prone to problems. Given the poor product quality of powerful companies like MicroSoft, the outlook isn't bright. I'm considering switching to a Lynix operating system. I've always had contempt for monopolies, especially those as brash as MicroSoft. Jim Volpatti Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: > [...] > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. > [...] > > I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why > customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software > (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain > mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars > ( or Naks ;-) ). > > Cheerio, > > Thomas > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Sun Nov 11 03:47:56 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:47:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A request to Naktalkers Message-ID: <3BEE737B.9176.B0187A@localhost> hi all I, and many others, would greatly appreciate it if quoted messages are trimmed when replying to them. This reduces message size, keeps my inbox from going bust and greatly clarifies the points you make. Thomas Ribbrock has an excellent guide on how to quote, which is at: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Sun Nov 11 04:06:37 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:06:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A request to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <3BEE737B.9176.B0187A@localhost> Message-ID: <3BEE77DB.27641.C12F29@localhost> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Jason Antony wrote: > I, and many others, would greatly appreciate it if quoted messages > are trimmed when replying to them. Apologies as this message was prematurely sent. A correction: > Thomas Ribbrock has an excellent guide Thomas Ribbrock had the link in his sig, but the guide was written in German by Dirk Nimmich, and the English translation by Jan Schaumann. Once again, the link is: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thanks and regards Jason Antony -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.5.1 Comment: Get my key from http://www.openpgp.net/pgpsrv.html iEYEAREDAAYFAjvt6xIACgkQ/G4MPZc4dZTTEQCgh6h1NACGHwmEaVWlU3X6V2qA o0UAmwUAGuBAcjEmKerZO5ccuXUOl7OT =S+c4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 10 05:18:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:18:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002b01c1699f$263664a0$2f299bca@smarzuki> I think I can understand most kind of sickness, but brian mccarty's newsgroups posts top them all ! To Umar Farooq, pls check your pc thoroughly - it's sending trojans. Saleem bin Marzuki :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > Same here. The giveaway (besides Norton's complaint) > was that, while all NakTalk email goes to my NalTalk > directory, this one went to my Inbox -- clear sign > that the 'To' header did not contain 'NakTalk'. > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what > kind of a sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation > to someone else. BTW, this one came from Umar Farooq > -- a slightly Arabic name. Could be a plant, though. Oh, > well... > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 11:16:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:16:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: <002b01c1699f$263664a0$2f299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001301c16a99$ee833000$483587d9@a4s1s2> Something seems odd here ... if Naklist is the courier of Trojans from Umar Farooq PC why haven't I received an e-mail via NakTalk from Umar? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 10 November 2001 04:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? I think I can understand most kind of sickness, but brian mccarty's newsgroups posts top them all ! To Umar Farooq, pls check your pc thoroughly - it's sending trojans. Saleem bin Marzuki :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 11 11:40:45 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:40:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Virus References: Message-ID: <013701c16a9d$52073ba0$e2ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Virus > For the curious people, here's the header of that suspect message . > As you can see, the attached file is CFGWIZ32.EXE, wich probably won't do > much good when executed . > > Eddy Its W32.Magistr.24876 at mm a nasty little virus for more info hit here http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.magistr.24876 at mm.html Warren ps the damage rating is high so be careful ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 11 11:47:21 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:47:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001301c16a99$ee833000$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <014601c16a9e$3d9d98c0$e2ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > Something seems odd here ... if Naklist is the courier of Trojans from Umar > Farooq PC why haven't I received an e-mail via NakTalk from Umar? > > Graham > Either the server's slow or your just lucky I guess Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Nov 11 15:03:02 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:03:02 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, The point is that those person may be completely innocent in this case. Such a viruses forces mail program to send their copys to all the addresses in address book. So the only thing that is not right with Umar is that he's not using anti-virus software. Misha >Every time something like this happens, I wonder what >kind of a sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation >to someone else. BTW, this one came from Umar Farooq >-- a slightly Arabic name. Could be a plant, though. Oh, >well... > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 15:15:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:15:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> Quite so. And I'd guess the addresses in Umar's PC are individual members of NakTalk rather than it going via NakTalk or else I'd have got this one, too. However, I've not received ANY e-mails from the Naklist with an attachment for many weeks. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 11 November 2001 14:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? Hi Ron, The point is that those person may be completely innocent in this case. Such a viruses forces mail program to send their copys to all the addresses in address book. So the only thing that is not right with Umar is that he's not using anti-virus software. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 15:25:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:25:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BEE8A55.415D04DD@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > [....] > Given the poor product quality of > powerful companies like MicroSoft, the outlook isn't bright. I'm > considering switching to a Lynix operating system. I've always had > contempt for monopolies, especially those as brash as MicroSoft. I wholly agree with you again. I feel Microsoft have gone too far with their Windows XP activation policy: you now have to let them roam through your computer at will, or the operating system (for which you parted with $200) will not function. Whenever you upgrade your computer, they will have the right to look through it again. Guess what they'll do with your information... As flaky as Windows 98 is, I will stay with it until Linux becomes a viable alternative and then: bye, bye, Microsoft. -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: > > [...] > > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > > > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. > > [...] > > > > I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why > > customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software > > (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain > > mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars > > ( or Naks ;-) ). > > > > Cheerio, > > > > Thomas > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 15:43:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:43:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? References: <000001c16a54$9ec91560$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3BEE8E98.8F50664C@concentric.net> Not to argue with your post, but the problem we have just faced has nothing to do with the (highly improved) state of computer H/W. The problem has to do with the abominable quality of the human factor: the spammers and virus fiends on the one hand and the S/W conglomerates on the other. I was using email way before most people knew what a computer was. I long for the days when '10 messages' meant that 10 people wrote to me, personally. Today, I may get 40 messages in the morning, out of which 4 are for me. The others are divided between people that want money (for enlarge my penis), people that want money (for enlarging my breasts) and people that want money (for letting me spy on my friends). -- Ron "Timothy H. Jackson" wrote: > > People seem to forget that they are in on the infancy of computing. > Cars, airplanes, TV's even things like roads and houses were all once at > the state PC's are now. Everyone expects them to be perfect, but they > have only been a 'household' item for less than 30 years. The frequency > that a newer car breaks down or needs service is very much less often > than even ten years ago. We just take that level of refinement in their > engineering for granted. > > It is also interesting what a long and glorious history putting > mechanical grooves in a surface to represent sound has had, yet we still > have spirited discussions right here about how a certain design has > fatal flaws - even though it is touted (and priced) as top-of-the-line. > > Yes, the PC is very complex, as is the software that goes on them to > make them do something useful. Until the design state of both becomes > stable and the people making them can have time to refine instead of > invent we will have unstable computers. > > Given the state of computing 10 years ago compared with today, I will > take today. I can send pictures to friends, I keep in touch with those > friends easily and instantly, I have converted my old records and tapes > to MP3 files for casual listening, and I can do any number of things > that were just not possible before. Yes, I have been burned by > technologies going obsolete, and I have spent a lot of money on upgrades > to both hardware and software. But I do it because I enjoy it, not > because anyone is holding a gun to my head. > > My personal machine does not crash, but I am careful to keep things up > to date and not install just anything that comes along. I pay attention > to the state of the industry and know something about them. I > understand that a lot of people do have problems with their home and > work PC's, but it is not always the big, nasty software companies that > are making life miserable. The little guys are there when you want to > leave the big nasties behind, but don't believe that there are no bugs > or viruses or worms there, either. If you do believe that, you will be > in for a big surprise. Not to say that MS needs your money, but there > is no Utopia. > > I think that a lot of computer users need to see the PC and the software > running on them for what they are, not what the fantasies on StarTrek > make them out to be. > > Off my soap box. Sorry for the rant. :) > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? > > Because the average consumer has come to expect that they will have > problems with their computer, regardless of whether it's hardware or > software related. > > The automobile was born over 110 years ago and has gradually become more > complex and reliable with time. The average PC is too complex, too > flexible and too prone to problems. Given the poor product quality of > powerful companies like MicroSoft, the outlook isn't bright. I'm > considering switching to a Lynix operating system. I've always had > contempt for monopolies, especially those as brash as MicroSoft. > > Jim Volpatti > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: > > [...] > > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > > > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. > > [...] > > > > I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why > > customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software > > (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain > > mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars > > ( or Naks ;-) ). > > > > Cheerio, > > > > Thomas > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come > true!" > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 15:47:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A request to Naktalkers References: <3BEE737B.9176.B0187A@localhost> Message-ID: <3BEE8F89.C7371E4D@concentric.net> The down side is that, when the whole text is trimmed, it may not be clear what the response is to. If you trim quotes, please leave enough to explain your reply. -- Ron Jason Antony wrote: > > hi all > > I, and many others, would greatly appreciate it if quoted messages are > trimmed when replying to them. This reduces message size, keeps my inbox > from going bust and greatly clarifies the points you make. > > Thomas Ribbrock has an excellent guide on how to quote, which is at: > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 15:51:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:51:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BEE906F.1B066F6C@concentric.net> Or, Umar could be the originator. We'll never know. -- Ron Michael Mironov wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > The point is that those person may be completely innocent in this case. > Such a viruses forces mail program to send their copys to all the addresses > in address book. So the only thing that is not right with Umar is that he's > not using anti-virus software. > > Misha > > >Every time something like this happens, I wonder what > >kind of a sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation > >to someone else. BTW, this one came from Umar Farooq > >-- a slightly Arabic name. Could be a plant, though. Oh, > >well... > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 11 16:46:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:46:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c16ac7$fbb5db00$52756acf@johnrotten> You will find that if you switch to XP that a lot of those automobile refinements have been incorporated! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? > Because the average consumer has come to expect that they will have > problems with their computer, regardless of whether it's hardware or > software related. > > The automobile was born over 110 years ago and has gradually become more > complex and reliable with time. The average PC is too complex, too > flexible and too prone to problems. Given the poor product quality of > powerful companies like MicroSoft, the outlook isn't bright. I'm > considering switching to a Lynix operating system. I've always had > contempt for monopolies, especially those as brash as MicroSoft. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:45:23PM -0500, Ron wrote: > > [...] > > > Every time something like this happens, I wonder what kind of a > > > sicko derives pleasure by causing aggravation to someone else. > > [...] > > > > I don't know - every time something like this happens I wonder why > > customer let software companies get away with such bugridden software > > (and probably even pay good money for it!) while they would complain > > mightily if they found the same amount of bugs/problems in their cars > > ( or Naks ;-) ). > > > > Cheerio, > > > > Thomas > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 11 16:53:04 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:53:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch References: <007a01c168cb$34b966a0$42d60192@vsnl> <000901c169f8$295f4580$4e312ac4@coqui.net> <002901c169fe$485b7ed0$32756acf@johnrotten> <000f01c16a30$ebe655c0$682f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <004f01c16ac8$f3702120$52756acf@johnrotten> What a shame! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from Switzerland. At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, What are you replicating, Nakamichi's? :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Nothing, really. I still have my 700 ZXL packed and ready to be ship to Stephen to be fix for 4 months now. We are so busy in the replication factory that I hardly have time for anything else, but, I'm glad to be here again ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch My innacous posting of spotting my favourite 1000ZXL parts ( with gold plating)had brought out look who - Carlos the king of Nak & other collection!!! Have you collected anything lately? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch I've missed you all, cybernetic brothers of the Nakamichi Cult. Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay watch Carlos, buddy! Where you been?! I MISSED you!!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 November 2001 17:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch Hello Gra': I agree with you, PEACE guys. After that pest named Raaymond, we don't need anymore war here. And Jim, if someone here wants to share some information about any bidding, let it be ! PEACE BROTHERS !!!! Carlos The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 10 17:38:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:38:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001301c16a99$ee833000$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001801c16a06$2f886320$9f199bca@smarzuki> I tried sending an attachment straight to somebody (and myself) (no, not a virus !), bcc to naktalk - message never got through on list. Such attachment along with the post got automatically rejected. Ron, usually the sender didn't even recognize he had this virus, other than his pc may become slower. My friend didn't even realise he 'sent' an email to me (with the attachment) and it's been almost a year since our last e-correspondence. I'm 99% sure the originator (in this case Umar) won't use his real address to send any virus. Especially if he's smart enough to be able to program that virus himself :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > Something seems odd here ... if Naklist is the courier of Trojans from Umar > Farooq PC why haven't I received an e-mail via NakTalk from Umar? > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 18:38:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:38:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> Graham, Salim, Aren't you curious as to why would a person have NakTalk members in his address book, yet not be a member of the list itself? If this Kumar was an unwitting victim himself, then Kumar would be his real e-name and at least one of the recipients would recognize him. Since none here does, I suspect the emailing was malicious and Kumar was not his real name. In that case, why would he choose an Arab name? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Quite so. And I'd guess the addresses in Umar's PC are individual members > of NakTalk rather than it going via NakTalk or else I'd have got this one, > too. However, I've not received ANY e-mails from the Naklist with an > attachment for many weeks. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: 11 November 2001 14:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > Hi Ron, > > The point is that those person may be completely innocent in this case. > Such a viruses forces mail program to send their copys to all the addresses > in address book. So the only thing that is not right with Umar is that he's > not using anti-virus software. > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 10 20:17:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:17:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c16a1c$61fd3fe0$82199bca@smarzuki> You're correct Ron, when I sent that email with attachment to naktalk, it didn't arrive at your mailbox, right ? I also subsribe under different name (digest only) and that account doesn't get umar's email. Weird. Maybe the programmers in our list (Sam, Paolo ?) can give us a clue. Back to audio related, but still off topic, do you think better-quality air core inductors would have noticable / audible benefits on a passive crossover ? It's that solen 'hepta litz' stranded coil: http://www.solen.ca/induct/litz.htm which can be quite expensive for 4th order filters. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > Graham, Salim, > > Aren't you curious as to why would a person have NakTalk > members in his address book, yet not be a member of the > list itself? > > If this Kumar was an unwitting victim himself, then Kumar > would be his real e-name and at least one of the > recipients would recognize him. Since none here does, I > suspect the emailing was malicious and Kumar was not his > real name. In that case, why would he choose an Arab name? > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Sun Nov 11 20:12:08 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:12:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A request to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <3BEE77DB.27641.C12F29@localhost> References: <3BEE737B.9176.B0187A@localhost> <3BEE77DB.27641.C12F29@localhost> Message-ID: <20011111201208.A2033@esme.xs4all.nl> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 01:06:37PM +1000, Jason Antony wrote: > Apologies as this message was prematurely sent. A correction: > > > Thomas Ribbrock has an excellent guide > > Thomas Ribbrock had the link in his sig, but the guide was written in > German by Dirk Nimmich, and the English translation by Jan Schaumann. Jason, I wouldn't have dreamt of claiming authorship of that document, however, it contains in a very concise way the ins and outs of what I came to believe in as "propper" quoting, which is why I decide to add it to my sigs on some lists. When I started using Usenet and e-mail back in 1991 (am I outing myself? ;-) ) I was quickly taught "The Right Way"[tm] ;-) of quoting, which is probably engraved in me by now... However, I observed a certain "degradation" over the years, not least caused by bad mail programs a la Outlook/Exchange and others (which seem to encourage bad quoting) - the best indicator I've seen is that on almost all mailing lists I'm subscribed to the monthly size of the list has doubled or tripled (or worse) over the last years, while the number of mails has not (that's one of the reasons why I personally consider excessive quoting as inconsiderate - I know, hard drives are cheap and bandwith is cheap these days, but there are still people out there with a 1GB drive or less and a 33K modem connection (Heck, *I* had the latter until recently...)). In case someone is interested in some background, this URL is also quite interesting: http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html Thanks for your posting, though, as I was wondering about this fact myself. The quoting style on this list was mostly so *consistently* different from what I had learned that I was indeed wondering whether there had been a discussion about this before which - being a newcomer to this list - I had missed in the past, therefore I kept silent. With the best regards to all NAKis[0], Thomas [0] what's the commonly recognised term here? :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Sun Nov 11 20:22:24 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:22:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:21:01PM -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: > Because the average consumer has come to expect that they will have > problems with their computer, regardless of whether it's hardware or > software related. Which is precisely what I fail to understand... Marketing is a powerful weapon, no doubt. :-( > The automobile was born over 110 years ago and has gradually become more > complex and reliable with time. The average PC is too complex, too > flexible and too prone to problems. While you have a very good point here (real-life complexity of the PC (as opposed to marketing-ease-of-use)), let me state myself as an example. To me, a car (especially its engine) is infinitely more complex than a computer. If my car breaks down, there is not all that much I'm able to do about it (unless it's something electric, maybe...), so I either have a friend who *can* do something about it or I bring it to the garage, i.e. I seek the help of folks "in the know". That's all nice and well, but if that car keeps breaking down frequently, I *will* start asking questions, even though I know next to nothing about it. First of all, I'll try to find out whether I'm doing something wrong, and, if that can't be proven, I will start complaining. And that's fair'n'square in my opinion. *And* it's what I'd expect of any consumer, no matter what's the product in question. > Given the poor product quality of powerful companies like MicroSoft, > the outlook isn't bright. I'm considering switching to a Lynix > operating system. [...] Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... Regards, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 20:07:57 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:07:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Carlos ... In-Reply-To: <004f01c16ac8$f3702120$52756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> Carlos When cassette's demise is complete, what do you think you personally will be using to dub music? MD? CDR? DVD/R? Hard drive? Something else? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 11 November 2001 15:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch What a shame! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from Switzerland. At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 20:31:09 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:31:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? In-Reply-To: <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003801c16ae7$6a6cf640$483587d9@a4s1s2> Ron/et al Even more curious is why Umar/Kumar/whoever would choose to infect only some people on the Naklist and not others! ;o) One could very carried away with some kind of conspiracy theory here ...!!! ;o) (OT, this does remind me of something that happened to my Dad in Algiers during 194?? something; he made friends in the local Arab community by making bandages for the poorer, shoe-less Arabs who had feet infections, these being made out of holed (used) socks. Dad supervised at a POW camp where the Italian POWs were repairing UK and US military clothing and shoes. Dad would cut up the unrepairable socks and make them into tube bandages and dress the Arab's infected feet. For this god work he would be given free fruit by stall holders whenever he visited the local market (which was out of bounds but he went anyway!) He came something of a local celebrity - more Arabs knew him, or of him, than he knew! Thus, when his tent was unwittingly chosen by some cut throat Arab raiders not only was his life spared but the thief or thieves later left a very obvious trail of his belongings in the camp to where all of his stolen belongings had been concealed in a drainpipe ... that is, all items stolen except a hunter pocket watch ... presumably that was too good to give back! Sorry guys - I digress but some of you may find that tale interesting anyway.) Speaking of Arabs, some of you may not know that three Arab terrorist suspects have been easily located and arrested in Liverpool while a fourth is still at large. Those apprehended were bin Robbin, bin Drinkin, and bin Gamblin. The fourth is proving harder to find but he has been named as bin Workin. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 11 November 2001 17:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? Graham, Salim, Aren't you curious as to why would a person have NakTalk members in his address book, yet not be a member of the list itself? If this Kumar was an unwitting victim himself, then Kumar would be his real e-name and at least one of the recipients would recognize him. Since none here does, I suspect the emailing was malicious and Kumar was not his real name. In that case, why would he choose an Arab name? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Quite so. And I'd guess the addresses in Umar's PC are individual members > of NakTalk rather than it going via NakTalk or else I'd have got this one, > too. However, I've not received ANY e-mails from the Naklist with an > attachment for many weeks. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: 11 November 2001 14:03 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > Hi Ron, > > The point is that those person may be completely innocent in this case. > Such a viruses forces mail program to send their copys to all the addresses > in address book. So the only thing that is not right with Umar is that he's > not using anti-virus software. > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 11 20:46:12 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:46:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 20:36:19 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:36:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A request to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <20011111201208.A2033@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <003f01c16ae8$22ce8000$483587d9@a4s1s2> With the best regards to all NAKis[0], Thomas [0] what's the commonly recognised term here? :-) Nakophiliacs - that's 'cos we LOVE dead technology!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 22:08:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:08:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Inductors References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> <000401c16a1c$61fd3fe0$82199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BEEE8D4.1780311@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > [............] > > Back to audio related, but still off topic, do you think better-quality air > core inductors would have noticable / audible benefits on a passive > crossover? Yes, it can, because inductors have hysteresis, that causes distortion. Air cores have far less hysteresis (almost none) than iron cores, even the finely laminated ones. For this reason, most (all?) quality speakers use air core inductors. > It's that solen 'hepta litz' stranded coil: > http://www.solen.ca/induct/litz.htm which can be quite expensive for 4th > order filters. Looks pretty good. I'm not surprised they're expensive. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > > Graham, Salim, > > > > Aren't you curious as to why would a person have NakTalk > > members in his address book, yet not be a member of the > > list itself? > > > > If this Kumar was an unwitting victim himself, then Kumar > > would be his real e-name and at least one of the > > recipients would recognize him. Since none here does, I > > suspect the emailing was malicious and Kumar was not his > > real name. In that case, why would he choose an Arab name? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 11 22:17:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] inductors References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> <000401c16a1c$61fd3fe0$82199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <009401c16af6$54e24aa0$0c3442cf@sank1> The Solen "HeptaLitz" stranded inductors are actually worse than their cheaper coils, due to the litzed stranding causing even more hysterisis distortion. The only monumental improvement I have ever yielded in a crossover was in going to the copper foil inductors from Solo(now extinct) and AlphaCore(Goertz). Even as the shunt element in the tweeter crossover, there was a huge improvement in eliminating the "muddled" sound in the mids & highs, which I wasn't even aware of until the foil inductors removed it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > You're correct Ron, when I sent that email with attachment to naktalk, it > didn't arrive at your mailbox, right ? I also subsribe under different name > (digest only) and that account doesn't get umar's email. Weird. Maybe the > programmers in our list (Sam, Paolo ?) can give us a clue. > > Back to audio related, but still off topic, do you think better-quality air > core inductors would have noticable / audible benefits on a passive > crossover ? It's that solen 'hepta litz' stranded coil: > http://www.solen.ca/induct/litz.htm which can be quite expensive for 4th > order filters. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] anybody receive attachment ? > > > > Graham, Salim, > > > > Aren't you curious as to why would a person have NakTalk > > members in his address book, yet not be a member of the > > list itself? > > > > If this Kumar was an unwitting victim himself, then Kumar > > would be his real e-name and at least one of the > > recipients would recognize him. Since none here does, I > > suspect the emailing was malicious and Kumar was not his > > real name. In that case, why would he choose an Arab name? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 11 22:22:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:22:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> Remotes for only two devices are a commodity item nowadays, going for something in the $10 range. Those I've seen are not of the learning type. Rather, you key in a number from a table and that brings up your device codes. I got a 7 device one (for $17 or so) fro the bedroom system (the wife zealously keeps the originals on *her* side of the bed) and it could handle all my units, except that none were as complete as their original remote. For my main system I have a Marantz RC-5000i, that will do just about anything you wish, for about $300 (provided you know where to go. It has a touch screen, that you can setup on a PC and then download into the remote. Quite a toy, but a waste when all you need it to control two devices. -- Ron > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & > VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal > handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. > I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. > > Thank you, > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Nov 11 23:33:01 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:33:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Carlos ... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> Well, I personally will continue using cassettes and CD's. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 02:28:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Carlos ... Carlos When cassette's demise is complete, what do you think you personally will be using to dub music? MD? CDR? DVD/R? Hard drive? Something else? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 11 November 2001 15:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch What a shame! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from Switzerland. At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1614 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 11 22:40:31 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:40:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006e01c16af9$7d278ef0$51756acf@johnrotten> Thanks Ron. Could you program a code to override the wife's! now that would be worth having! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > Remotes for only two devices are a commodity item > nowadays, going for something in the $10 range. > Those I've seen are not of the learning type. Rather, > you key in a number from a table and that brings up > your device codes. I got a 7 device one (for $17 or > so) fro the bedroom system (the wife zealously keeps > the originals on *her* side of the bed) and it could > handle all my units, except that none were as complete > as their original remote. > > For my main system I have a Marantz RC-5000i, that will > do just about anything you wish, for about $300 (provided > you know where to go. It has a touch screen, that you can > setup on a PC and then download into the remote. Quite > a toy, but a waste when all you need it to control two > devices. > > -- Ron > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & > > VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal > > handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. > > I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. > > > > Thank you, > > John > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 11 22:40:14 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:40:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AFD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos, Do you have any blank or used open reel media, prefferbally 10" 1/4 inch in lengths of 2400/3600 ft. do you know where I can get any Maxell XLII (EE) type from? Hope you are well Speak to you soon Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 11 22:48:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:48:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] ebay watch Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/2001 9:54:49 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos >> Hey Carlos, Does this also mean that you will be selling some of your personal cassette machines? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 12 00:01:33 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:01:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AFD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3BEF034D.00000D.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> Yes, I still have a lot of open reel tape on aluminum reels but it's only professional tape from BASF: Maxima 900. All brand new. I'm not sure Maxell XL II it's available in that format anymore. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 04:50:49 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. Carlos, Do you have any blank or used open reel media, prefferbally 10" 1/4 inch in lengths of 2400/3600 ft. do you know where I can get any Maxell XLII (EE) type from? Hope you are well Speak to you soon Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 269 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4784 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 11 23:15:12 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:15:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365AFD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <008b01c16afe$553293e0$483587d9@a4s1s2> Tom Go to pricebuster.org.uk , or e-mail sales at pricebuster.org.uk where you will find Maxell UD and Maxell XLI. Their prices quoted are inclusive of UK tax (@17.5%) which you should find would be deducted for export. May be worth checking out the prices. (BTW, guys, this outfit are also selling tape cassettes, DAT tapes, video tapes CDR discs, MDs, cleaners, QED switchboxes and headphone amps/pre-amps and Sennheiser headphones at rather competitive rates (for the UK). Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 11 November 2001 21:40 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. Carlos, Do you have any blank or used open reel media, prefferbally 10" 1/4 inch in lengths of 2400/3600 ft. do you know where I can get any Maxell XLII (EE) type from? Hope you are well Speak to you soon Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 11 23:34:05 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:34:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> Message-ID: <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Carlos ... Well, I personally will continue using cassettes and CD's. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 02:28:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Carlos ... Carlos When cassette's demise is complete, what do you think you personally will be using to dub music? MD? CDR? DVD/R? Hard drive? Something else? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 11 November 2001 15:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch What a shame! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay watch No, that's not practical anymore now that the cassette is dying fast. Many of my customers are not duplicating cassettes anymore. We have a Lyrec 80:1 speed with Dolby HX PRO in each slave but It's hardly used right now. 85% of all our work are almost CD's exclusively. For that we use 2 4M machines from Switzerland. At this moment I'm selling all my cassette turnkey production line in order to say goodbye to the good old days of the cassette. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1614 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 11 23:38:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:38:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] DAT... Message-ID: <15e.3b6874b.292057cb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2001 4:36:17 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John >> Hey John, So what's your opinion of DAT? Do you like it? Do you prefer it over cassettes? _Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 00:15:22 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:15:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <15e.3b6874b.292057cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e501c16b06$bd5c4080$51756acf@johnrotten> Can't say yet. Just got both units and Stephen made me up a digital cable. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > In a message dated 11/11/2001 4:36:17 PM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 > that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. > Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe > consumer. > > John >> > > Hey John, > > So what's your opinion of DAT? Do you like it? Do you prefer it over > cassettes? > > _Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 00:38:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:38:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] DAT... Message-ID: <139.46e46f0.2920660b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2001 5:17:40 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Can't say yet. Just got both units and Stephen made me up a digital cable. John >> OK, thanks. Please let me know how you enjoy the DATs? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 12 02:00:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:00:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful results. I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the recording business. What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! Enjoy ! -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DAT... I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that s built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You mentioning dubbing old cassettes to DAT reminded me ... for all the great claims of CD, I have a full set collection of the BBC Music Magazine CDs (as well as the magazines) - been collecting them since the magazine was launched in 1992. It will not surprise some of you to learn that a number of the early CDs (created in 1992 and early 1993) have gone a strange copper colour and are now quite unplayable. Now, compare that with my records, some of which were cut even before my 72 year old Mum was born, and some of my still playable Memorex Chrom' magnetic cassettes that are well over 25 years old ... makes me nervous about using CDs for archiving AND leaves me wondering if I need to archive my CDs before the vinyl, and then, archive them onto what? DAT? Cassette?! Shhhhhurely not CD! Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(BTW, guys, this outfit are also selling tape cassettes, DAT tapes, video tapes CDR discs, MDs, cleaners, QED switchboxes and headphone amps/pre-amps and Sennheiser headphones at rather competitive rates (for the UK). Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 11 November 2001 21:40 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Open reel media. Carlos, Do you have any blank or used open reel media, prefferbally 10" 1/4 inch in lengths of 2400/3600 ft. do you know where I can get any Maxell XLII (EE) type from? Hope you are well Speak to you soon Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 12 02:07:07 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:07:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off the topic question. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B00@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, My friend want to purchase a DVD player and raised a valid question. Are there units available that can play CD audio as good as high end cd players? Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 11 02:16:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:16:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] inductors References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> <000401c16a1c$61fd3fe0$82199bca@smarzuki> <009401c16af6$54e24aa0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006401c16a4e$9f7f54c0$bd1a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen and Ron, the price of the AlphaCores are also more reasonable, but I don't think I seen one locally. I wonder how solen could get away stating no hysterisis distortion ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] inductors > The Solen "HeptaLitz" stranded inductors are actually worse than their > cheaper coils, due to the litzed stranding causing even more hysterisis > distortion. The only monumental improvement I have ever yielded in a > crossover was in going to the copper foil inductors from Solo(now extinct) > and AlphaCore(Goertz). Even as the shunt element in the tweeter crossover, > there was a huge improvement in eliminating the "muddled" sound in the mids > & highs, which I wasn't even aware of until the foil inductors removed it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Mon Nov 12 02:26:44 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:26:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] "Notepaper" and other gifs/jpg (was: DAT...archiving) In-Reply-To: <00b001c16b10$630b0580$483587d9@a4s1s2> References: <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00b001c16b10$630b0580$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20011112022644.A11029@esme.xs4all.nl> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:24:26AM -0000, Graham Nelson wrote: > > 'Scuse me for borrowing your lovely notepaper, Carlos! (I like it!) [...] Actually, using HTML and that "notepaper" just made your mail about ten times (sic!) bigger than the plain text version... I'm not sure whether that's the right thing for a mailing list. I personally would prefer plain text only, small and fast. Regards, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 02:49:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:49:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> Message-ID: <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> Carlos and fellow naka's If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. These players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful results. I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the recording business. What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! Enjoy ! -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DAT... I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 269 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 5081 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 03:03:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:03:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] DAT... Message-ID: <110.839687d.2920880a@aol.com> In a message dated 11/11/2001 7:52:45 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. John >> Hi John, Just my two cents - every weekend I record my radio broadcast masters to DAT using the Panasonic SV-3800 DAT. If I recall, the levels I use are a few dbs below 0 and the final masters sound great! For now, I have to record at the Redbook standard of 16/44, although the Panasonic does allow for 16/48 recording. If I had a choice, I would prefer to record my digital masters at the 24/96Khz level and then "dump" to the redbook standard for cassettes of CDs. If possible, and if your DATs are for your personal use only, I would recommend recording at the highest sampling rate and frequency your machine allows. I'll defer to Carlos or Stan as they both have more experience in this realm than I. A question for the larger group - are there different formulas for DAT blank media as there are for blank cassette media? (e.g., in the cassette realm there are Type I, Type II and Type IV formulations). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 12 03:49:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:49:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] inductors References: <001901c16abb$4e48b160$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEB7A0.1E6BE6EC@concentric.net> <000401c16a1c$61fd3fe0$82199bca@smarzuki> <009401c16af6$54e24aa0$0c3442cf@sank1> <006401c16a4e$9f7f54c0$bd1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BEF38C3.78A828B7@concentric.net> That's because hysteresis is a function of the core material. It's zero is vacuum and extremely small in air. It's small in soft iron and larger in hard ferrous materials. Inductor core loss is proportional to the hysteresis loop area. I haven't dealt with this in many, many years, so can't offer numeric values, but I assume that Solen feel justified in saying 'no hysteresis' when the value is tiny enough. BTW, one of the advantages of bi-amping is elimination of inductors and the attendant losses and distortion. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks Stephen and Ron, the price of the AlphaCores are also more > reasonable, but I don't think I seen one locally. I wonder how solen could > get away stating no hysterisis distortion ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] inductors > > > The Solen "HeptaLitz" stranded inductors are actually worse than their > > cheaper coils, due to the litzed stranding causing even more hysterisis > > distortion. The only monumental improvement I have ever yielded in a > > crossover was in going to the copper foil inductors from Solo(now extinct) > > and AlphaCore(Goertz). Even as the shunt element in the tweeter > crossover, > > there was a huge improvement in eliminating the "muddled" sound in the > mids > > & highs, which I wasn't even aware of until the foil inductors removed it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Nov 12 03:55:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:55:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks exceed 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is the absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want to pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you would set levels vs an analog tape. There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with grades of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability & error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything better than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any data-grade tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Carlos and fellow naka's If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. These players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful results. I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the recording business. What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! Enjoy ! -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DAT... I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 12 04:06:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:06:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off the topic question. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B00@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3BEF3CA6.2EC165F2@concentric.net> The Denon DVM-3700 (5 disc carousel) was noted for it's excellent audio output. This was a comparatively low cost unit ($1,000 list) but, unfortunately, had some disadvantages. Denon's newer model, DVM-4800, is supposed to be better ergonomically. Also a carousel. Can handle DVD-Audio, PS-3, CD-R and CD-RW discs. With it's 24bit/96KHz DACs (192KHz for DVD Audio) it should be sonically just as good as its predecessor and (hopefully) sans the irritations. It lists for $1200 and can be had for about $1K -- not bad at all, if it lives up to its promises. Note: mechanically, Denon players are crap, but they seem to be reliable crap. If your friend wants high quality 'feel', These units will not appeal to him (but then, units that will, will cost him a lot more). -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Hi all, > > My friend want to purchase a DVD player and raised a valid question. Are there units available that can play CD audio as good as high end cd players? > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 12 04:11:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:11:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] "Notepaper" and other gifs/jpg (was: DAT...archiving) References: <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00b001c16b10$630b0580$483587d9@a4s1s2> <20011112022644.A11029@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3BEF3DCA.8F923664@concentric.net> I concur. In addition to the effect my slow connection has on 20K messages, the note paper made the post more difficult to read. Plain text is much preferable. Thanx much, -- Ron Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:24:26AM -0000, Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > 'Scuse me for borrowing your lovely notepaper, Carlos! (I like it!) > [...] > > Actually, using HTML and that "notepaper" just made your mail about > ten times (sic!) bigger than the plain text version... I'm not sure > whether that's the right thing for a mailing list. I personally would > prefer plain text only, small and fast. > > Regards, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 12 05:35:03 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:35:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] DAT...archiving References: <00b001c16b10$630b0580$483587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BEF5177.000004.29863@mycomputer.coqui.net> Thanks Gra, but unfortunately the other guys didn't like it,so, back to normal ... In the beggining, the problem with the old CD lines were the electroplating. Now, with the new technology you wouldn't see that anymore. There're others that has developed some kind of mould too. Otherwise, it's a reliable media, as long as you keep it scratchless, it's suppose to last well over 100 years or so. Anyway, those archiving firms still rely on open reel tape ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 07:53:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT...archiving 'Scuse me for borrowing your lovely notepaper, Carlos! (I like it!) You mentioning dubbing old cassettes to DAT reminded me ... for all the great claims of CD, I have a full set collection of the BBC Music Magazine CDs (as well as the magazines) - been collecting them since the magazine was launched in 1992. It will not surprise some of you to learn that a number of the early CDs (created in 1992 and early 1993) have gone a strange copper colour and are now quite unplayable. Now, compare that with my records, some of which were cut even before my 72 year old Mum was born, and some of my still playable Memorex Chrom' magnetic cassettes that are well over 25 years old ... makes me nervous about using CDs for archiving AND leaves me wondering if I need to archive my CDs before the vinyl, and then, archive them onto what? DAT? Cassette?! Shhhhhurely not CD! Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 12 05:39:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:39:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BEF526E.000009.29863@mycomputer.coqui.net> As Stephen said, avoid hitting the 0 especially when you have those orange letters poppping up saying "overload". When recording straight digital, you wouldn't have anything to worry about. The signals would be at 0 all the time without overloading. No, the only Nakamichi DAT player I know of is the 1000 and it was very expensive. ($10,000 for the combo). It was a separate transport/converter combo. Really impressive but a little bit overkill. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 08:57:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Carlos and fellow naka's If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. These players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful results. I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the recording business. What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! Enjoy ! -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DAT... I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony PCM-2500 that s built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with Joe consumer. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy! -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1273232 487&t=0&r=0&indexURL=2&photoDisplayType=2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 12 08:16:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:16:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] "Notepaper" and other gifs/jpg (was: DAT...archiving) In-Reply-To: <20011112022644.A11029@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> Killjoy! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Ribbrock Sent: 12 November 2001 01:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] [OT] "Notepaper" and other gifs/jpg (was: DAT...archiving) On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:24:26AM -0000, Graham Nelson wrote: > > 'Scuse me for borrowing your lovely notepaper, Carlos! (I like it!) [...] Actually, using HTML and that "notepaper" just made your mail about ten times (sic!) bigger than the plain text version... I'm not sure whether that's the right thing for a mailing list. I personally would prefer plain text only, small and fast. Regards, Thomas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 15:17:47 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:17:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: Hi, guys ! This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One of my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a cashier's check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October and, as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could someone find out a phone number for : Usavemoney.com 2913 El Camino Real #620 Tustin, Ca 92782 and pls let me know ? This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on their website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that they don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed further, bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was for almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gr8sounds1 at aol.com Subject: Re: Item #1270350999 -payment instructions Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:58:07 EDT Size: 3774 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: assen.djingov.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 364 bytes Desc: Card for Assen Djingov URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 15:40:08 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:40:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: Apologies for the long initial E-mail - I had no idea that the whole correspondence became attached to it, since it didn't show on my "Compose" screen". I hope it doesn't happen with this msg again ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "George Valkov" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:17:47 +0200 Hi, guys ! This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One of my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a cashier's check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October and, as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could someone find out a phone number for : Usavemoney.com 2913 El Camino Real #620 Tustin, Ca 92782 and pls let me know ? This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on their website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that they don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed further, bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was for almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 16:18:25 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! References: Message-ID: <006101c16b8d$468ea9c0$50756acf@johnrotten> Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the events on 9/11 have slowed things up. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Hi, guys ! > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One of > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a cashier's > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October and, > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could > someone find out a phone number for : > > Usavemoney.com > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > and pls let me know ? > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on their > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that they > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed further, > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was for > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:27:14 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:27:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: I fully agree John, but couldn't they find the 30 seconds required to type the below sentence and reply within the last week ? That's what worrying us plus no shipment tracking reference advice for over a month - and we paid for FedEx. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the events on 9/11 have slowed things up. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Hi, guys ! > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One of > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a cashier's > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October and, > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could > someone find out a phone number for : > > Usavemoney.com > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > and pls let me know ? > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on their > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that they > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed further, > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was for > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:29:25 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:29:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: And I received an EQ/crossover in less than three weeks from an individual seller also from the US. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the events on 9/11 have slowed things up. John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Nov 12 16:28:43 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:28:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off the topic question. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B00@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <008801c16b8e$b7628620$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Tom, I really like the Arcam piece, at $1500, it is surprisingly a close second to my BAT VK-D5, and on some (older) cd's it sounds better.. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off the topic question. > Hi all, > > My friend want to purchase a DVD player and raised a valid question. Are there units available that can play CD audio as good as high end cd players? > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 16:53:34 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:53:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! References: Message-ID: <007601c16b92$2f9d74d0$50756acf@johnrotten> George, Where are you, also in Germany? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > I fully agree John, but couldn't they find the 30 seconds required to type > the below sentence and reply within the last week ? That's what worrying us > plus no shipment tracking reference advice for over a month - and we paid > for FedEx. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John M. Tooley" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:17 AM > Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > > Hi, guys ! > > > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One > of > > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed > > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a > cashier's > > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation > > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October > and, > > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a > > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could > > someone find out a phone number for : > > > > Usavemoney.com > > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > > > and pls let me know ? > > > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 > > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on > their > > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that > they > > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed > further, > > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was > for > > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > > > George > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 17:14:22 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:14:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button while dubbing in the digital mode. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks exceed > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is the > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want to > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you would > set levels vs an analog tape. > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with grades > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability & > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything better > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any data-grade > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. These > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > results. > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > recording business. > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > Enjoy ! > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with > Joe consumer. > > John > > > > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Domain Name: USAVEMONEY.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS5.STORE.YAHOO.COM Name Server: ST-NS1.YAHOO.COM Updated Date: 05-nov-2001 The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. [whois.networksolutions.com] The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Registrant: smc enterprises (USAVEMONEY3-DOM) 49 appleglen irvine, CA 92602 US Domain Name: USAVEMONEY.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: SMC, Mr (MS37725) mehr777 at HOME.COM smc enterprises 49 appleglen irvine , CA 92602 7145053734 Technical Contact: AutoNIC - Yahoo! Store (NA97-ORG) autonic at STORE.YAHOO.COM Yahoo! Inc. 701 First Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94089 US +1 408 349 3300 Fax- +1 408 349 3301 second the ebay user is gr8sounds the bidder can go to http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MemberSearchShow and fill out the part for contact information that will give you his phone number registered with ebay it will come automatically via ebay once you fill out the form third paypalinfo Cust. Service Email: smi1430 at aol.com Cust. Service Phone 714-505-3734 good luck Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 18:31:41 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:31:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: I'm actually in Bulgaria, but spend a lot of time in Germany and receive all such shipments there, since there is a lot of pilferage within the Bulgarian mail system. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:53:34 -0500 George, Where are you, also in Germany? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > I fully agree John, but couldn't they find the 30 seconds required to type > the below sentence and reply within the last week ? That's what worrying us > plus no shipment tracking reference advice for over a month - and we paid > for FedEx. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John M. Tooley" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:17 AM > Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > > Hi, guys ! > > > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One > of > > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed > > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a > cashier's > > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation > > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October > and, > > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a > > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could > > someone find out a phone number for : > > > > Usavemoney.com > > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > > > and pls let me know ? > > > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 > > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on > their > > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that > they > > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed > further, > > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was > for > > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > > > George > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 18:56:06 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:56:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The windows format that made computers so easy to use was established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the difference between the two systems is that apple's windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos and go through a huge process to emulate the windows format. As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this better. If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! (I have had very little experience with windows, but I never had to. I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of macintosh since I began computing. Brian Stocker > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > Regards, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm in US so if I could help by making a phone call or two, just say! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > I'm actually in Bulgaria, but spend a lot of time in Germany and receive all > such shipments there, since there is a lot of pilferage within the Bulgarian > mail system. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John M. Tooley" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:53:34 -0500 > > George, > > Where are you, also in Germany? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > > I fully agree John, but couldn't they find the 30 seconds required to > type > > the below sentence and reply within the last week ? That's what worrying > us > > plus no shipment tracking reference advice for over a month - and we paid > > for FedEx. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:25 -0500 > > > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also > the > > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:17 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > > > > > Hi, guys ! > > > > > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. > One > > of > > > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and > agreed > > > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a > > cashier's > > > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received > confirmation > > > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > > > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October > > and, > > > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received > a > > > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. > Could > > > someone find out a phone number for : > > > > > > Usavemoney.com > > > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > > > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > > > > > and pls let me know ? > > > > > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than > 20 > > > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on > > their > > > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that > > they > > > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed > > further, > > > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check > was > > for > > > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 19:10:05 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <010201c16ba5$423044c0$50756acf@johnrotten> How does the Weatherbug program (www.weatherbug.com ) look on your Mac Intosh? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The windows format that made > computers so easy to use was established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the difference between the two systems > is that apple's windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's windows are > essentially layered on top of the old msdos and go through a huge process to emulate > the windows format. As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this better. > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit of Naktalkers, who appreciate > what Nakamichi has done for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! (I have had very > little experience with windows, but I never had to. I have enjoyed the ease of use > and reliability of macintosh since I began computing. > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > Regards, > > > > Thomas > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Nov 12 20:18:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:18:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <01df01c16bae$cd759040$0c3442cf@sank1> Likely to be not too hard to fix. Gotta wonder about how one gets the "head serviced". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > Thank you > > Brian Stocker > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 12 20:21:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:21:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! In-Reply-To: <006101c16b8d$468ea9c0$50756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000401c16baf$303038c0$249a86d9@a4s1s2> In my experience of good coming from the US to the UK (the other way around, I know) 6 weeks is optimistic - I'd reckon on 8-12 weeks. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 12 November 2001 03:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the events on 9/11 have slowed things up. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 12 20:41:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! References: <000401c16baf$303038c0$249a86d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <023501c16bb1$f8985200$fcf63fd0@oemcomputer> well if it goes fedex/ups its three days at most but there could be a customs delay airmail parcel post is a week or so (and then customs) surface is deadly I agree 6 to 10 weeks Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > In my experience of good coming from the US to the UK (the other way around, > I know) 6 weeks is optimistic - I'd reckon on 8-12 weeks. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 12 November 2001 03:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Nov 12 20:41:07 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:41:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Neumann U48 problem! Message-ID: Hi all Nakkers! Here is some OT but definitely close to all Antik Hi-End lovers question. My friend (very good musician) got an old U48. The mic itself in very good condition with one exclusion. After warming up it will lost some gain. How it's looks like: in a two-three seconds it will lover noise flor and gain with some typical for old tubes noise (like the tube with the old and dirty cathode). For those of you who familiar with U48 it will be no surprise - VF14 is one of the most scarciest tube in the world (at list those small RF pentode may be seeing on some trader's sites for around 1K). So, right now I have no spare tubes and would like to ask collective ] wisdom for couple of advices - is the reason for such a beheviar is the tube or capsule? (capsule looks clean, without decolouration or spots). Second - what tube may be a good replacement for VF14? It's understandable that I'll have to redo the circuit adding heter voltage and may be changing auto bias resistor but what I'm care for - the original sound! Thanks in advance for all replied! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 20:45:04 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:45:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <017101c16bb2$867c5350$50756acf@johnrotten> Buy it and have seller ship it directly to Stephen in N.M. jOHN ----- Original Message ----- From: britri at pacbell.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? Thank you Brian Stocker http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 12 20:48:30 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:48:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... In-Reply-To: <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: experimentation is in order. We have used pro DAT decks for years with very good mics to tape Dead shows. We found that you can exceed the 0 level on VU meters...but only for transients. We experienced no distortion...most of the time. It depends on the deck and its meters. You must try them out with ever increasing levels until you find the saturation point regards carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button while dubbing in the digital mode. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks exceed > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is the > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want to > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you would > set levels vs an analog tape. > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with grades > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability & > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything better > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any data-grade > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. These > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & 3800 > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I really > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of the > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really nice. > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > results. > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > recording business. > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > Enjoy ! > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on with > Joe consumer. > > John > > > > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 21:03:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:03:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! References: Message-ID: <3BF02B40.89B1BE57@pacbell.net> George, I recently made an inquiry to this seller and received a reply in <24 hours. this is the reply. I hope it helps: Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1295435236 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:11:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ostadd at aol.com To: britri at pacbell.net Hello, Please check out our website at Usavemoney.com for all our products and prices. Also you can check out the technical data for each product. If the item you want is not on our website, please check our auctions from time to time. Thank you for your business! Michael GOODLUCK, Brian Stocker George Valkov wrote: > Hi, guys ! > > This is for the fellow Nakkers in the US, specifically in California. One of > my best friends won an ebay auction for a car audio amplifier and agreed > afterwards a direct sale for another amp as well. He duly sent a cashier's > check covering both items plus shipping to Germany, received confirmation > that it has arrived with the seller and advice that his items will be > shipped within a couple of days. That was in the beginning of October and, > as you may have guessed, nothing has arrived yet, nor has he received a > response to any of his daily E-mails during the whole of last week. Could > someone find out a phone number for : > > Usavemoney.com > 2913 El Camino Real #620 > Tustin, Ca 92782 > > and pls let me know ? > > This seller has around 800 positive feedbacks on ebay with less than 20 > negatives, sales only and only car audio/multimedia, as can be seen on their > website. That should be some sort of indication and I'm surprised that they > don't even respond to E-mails. Any suggestions as to how to proceed further, > bearing in mind us being in Europe, are more than welcome. The check was for > almost $ 1,000 , so we can't just write it off to experience. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 12 21:22:59 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:22:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> <01df01c16bae$cd759040$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000c01c16bb7$d2b885e0$0d756acf@johnrotten> head nurse! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > Likely to be not too hard to fix. Gotta wonder about how one gets the "head > serviced". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 21:37:56 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:37:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <010201c16ba5$423044c0$50756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BF0333E.6409304D@pacbell.net> John, weatherbug is for pc's only. If your point is that software availability for macs is limited, I totally agree, but the availability has never been a problem for me. Brian Stocker "John M. Tooley" wrote: > How does the Weatherbug program (www.weatherbug.com ) look on your Mac > Intosh? ;-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The windows format that > made > > computers so easy to use was established and or invented by > apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the difference between the > two systems > > is that apple's windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > windows are > > essentially layered on top of the old msdos and go through a huge process > to emulate > > the windows format. As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > better. > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit of Naktalkers, who > appreciate > > what Nakamichi has done for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! (I have > had very > > little experience with windows, but I never had to. I have enjoyed the > ease of use > > and reliability of macintosh since I began computing. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Thomas > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come > true!" > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 21:41:32 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:41:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> <01df01c16bae$cd759040$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BF03417.E1D42D5A@pacbell.net> Thank you Stephen. Good question, I will bid accordingly. Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Likely to be not too hard to fix. Gotta wonder about how one gets the "head > serviced". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron at gmx.net Mon Nov 12 21:18:32 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:18:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A request to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20011112211832.A2262@esme.xs4all.nl> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:03:07PM +1100, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: [Bin Tabin Family] > I like it! Certainly better than Nakkers, which would have a strange ring to it in some parts of the English speaking world... :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 22:02:51 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:02:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: Thanks for the support guys - I guess this'll calm my pal down. Warren - I'm speechless! Fantastic job, great info! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Warren" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:41:06 -0500 well if it goes fedex/ups its three days at most but there could be a customs delay airmail parcel post is a week or so (and then customs) surface is deadly I agree 6 to 10 weeks Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > In my experience of good coming from the US to the UK (the other way around, > I know) 6 weeks is optimistic - I'd reckon on 8-12 weeks. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 12 November 2001 03:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 22:44:42 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:44:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! References: Message-ID: <3BF042C8.5F68FA5F@pacbell.net> George, given that the seller was so quick to reply to my email, I am concerned why he did not receive and reply to all your emails. There is a specific window in which you have an opportunity to leave feedback for a closed auction. If you miss this window (I think it is about 4-6 weeks) you will not be able to leave feedback. Call, or have one of us call the seller and advise that if you do not get the info you expect from him immediately that you will post derogatory feedback. I think this is your only leverage and pressure point. I have time to place a phone call on your behalf if you would like me to. Brian Stocker George Valkov wrote: > Thanks for the support guys - I guess this'll calm my pal down. Warren - I'm > speechless! Fantastic job, great info! > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Warren" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:41:06 -0500 > > well if it goes fedex/ups its three days at most but there could be a > customs delay > airmail parcel post is a week or so (and then customs) > surface is deadly I agree 6 to 10 weeks > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:21 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > In my experience of good coming from the US to the UK (the other way > around, > > I know) 6 weeks is optimistic - I'd reckon on 8-12 weeks. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 12 November 2001 03:18 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! > > > > > > Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also > the > > events on 9/11 have slowed things up. > > > > John > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Mon Nov 12 22:42:00 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:42:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BF04228.3F24A476@snip.net> If Stephen says it probably can be fixed easily, go for it. You cannot find a better cassette tape playback unit for the car. I've had mine since 1984 or 5 and have always had wonderful results using it in 4 different cars over the years. It's getting ready to go into my "ultimate" car audio system (see my previous posts to NakTalk) and I had Stephen add a "record out" output (ahead of balance, tone and volume controls) so I could use it directly into the "aux in" of a NAK MB-100 (I found one new-in-box for ($450) in a double DIN installation. At that price, I decided Nak's CD-700 was just too expensive. If you are going to use it as your stand alone head unit in your car, be aware that its FM reception is not the world's greatest. Best regards, John britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > Thank you > > Brian Stocker > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Nov 13 00:45:19 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:45:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <001b01c16bd4$16a5fbe0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> actually, if memory serves me correctly, the macintosh gui was a knock off of the work done at Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center on computer usability in the 70's,. Xerox's research also created ethernet (with digital and intel, hence the 15 pin aui connector's nickname DIX), client/server srchitecture, PDL, a forerunner of Postscript, the list goes on.... sad thing is, I remember this stuff, but can't remember where the car keys are half the time, and I'm only 38!!!... erie > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The windows format that made > computers so easy to use was established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the difference between the two systems > is that apple's windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's windows are > essentially layered on top of the old msdos and go through a huge process to emulate > the windows format. As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this better. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Nov 13 01:22:32 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:22:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems In-Reply-To: <001b01c16bd4$16a5fbe0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <001b01c16bd4$16a5fbe0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <20011113012232.A10385@esme.xs4all.nl> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:45:19PM -0600, erie patsellis wrote: > actually, if memory serves me correctly, the macintosh gui was a knock off > of the work done at Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center on > computer usability in the 70's,. [...] > sad thing is, I remember this stuff, but can't remember where the > car keys are half the time, and I'm only 38!!!... ROFL... If it's any consolation, let me tell you, it starts *way* earlier than that (speaking from experience...)... :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 13 01:37:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:37:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: Message-ID: <021601c16bdb$70cedea0$0c3442cf@sank1> Some portable DATs, including the Sony D3, D7, D8 & I think the D10, have "fake meters", where the 0VU meter reading is, in reality, -10VU. So, you have 10dB of headroom when you're pegging 0VU. The home/pro DAT decks, as far as I have seen, are all "honest" meters, where 0VU = 0VU, so, no headroom. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT... > experimentation is in order. We have used pro DAT decks for years with very > good mics to tape Dead shows. We found that you can exceed the 0 level on > VU meters...but only for transients. We experienced no distortion...most of > the time. It depends on the deck and its meters. You must try them out > with ever increasing levels until you find the saturation point > > regards > carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking > very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button > while dubbing in the digital mode. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks > exceed > > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is the > > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want to > > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you > would > > set levels vs an analog tape. > > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with grades > > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability & > > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything better > > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any data-grade > > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's > > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John > > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. > These > > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? > > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: El Magnifico > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & > 3800 > > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I > really > > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of > the > > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really > nice. > > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > > results. > > > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of > > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the > > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > > recording business. > > > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for > > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on > with > > Joe consumer. > > > > John > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 13 01:47:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:47:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Neumann U48 problem! References: Message-ID: <021c01c16bdc$ca655420$0c3442cf@sank1> Condenser mics are not within my main expertise, but I can say that it sounds like it could easily be a case of either some particle contamination between the diaphragm & packplate(i.e., inside) or a connection problem between the capsule & preamp electronics. It really doesn't sound like a bad tube. It could also be one of the capacitors in the circuit, of course. As far as tube alternatives, if it turns out to actually be a bad tube, I'm afraid I don't have enough familiarity with those sorts of sub-mini tube types to make a suggestion, except to post a request to the rec.audio.pro usenet newsgroup. If the capsule is the culprit, it should not be too hard to very carefully disassemble it & very gently clean diaphragm & backplate, treating it as you would a very expensive camera lens. If a solvent is needed to get things really clean, use methyl-ethyl-ketone or freon. Take extreme measures to assure that no dust is allowed into the works during re-assembly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Neumann U48 problem! > Hi all Nakkers! > > Here is some OT but definitely close to all Antik Hi-End lovers question. > My friend (very good musician) got an old U48. The mic itself in very good > condition with one exclusion. After warming up it will lost some gain. > How it's looks like: in a two-three seconds it will lover noise flor and gain > with some typical for old tubes noise (like the tube with the old and dirty > cathode). For those of you who familiar with U48 it will be no surprise - > VF14 is one of the most scarciest tube in the world (at list those small > RF pentode may be seeing on some trader's sites for around 1K). > So, right now I have no spare tubes and would like to ask collective ] > wisdom for couple of advices - is the reason for such a beheviar is the tube > or capsule? (capsule looks clean, without decolouration or spots). > Second - what tube may be a good replacement for VF14? It's understandable > that I'll have to redo the circuit adding heter voltage and may be changing > auto bias resistor but what I'm care for - the original sound! > > Thanks in advance for all replied! > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If yes, here's a Revox for sale. Happy bidding! -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1295709981 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 13 06:04:16 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:04:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B03@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 13 06:07:39 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:07:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk open reel media Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B04@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Brian. Funny how sellers state "will ship to US only". I've dealt with sellers that have stated this and they have no problem selling to someone in Australia, why do they state this on the page? Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: britri at pacbell.net [mailto:britri at pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 5:09 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] naktalk open reel media Tom, click here. This may be close to what you are looking for. Brian Stocker http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1483453174&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1006043426&indexURL=0&rd=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Nov 13 07:10:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:10:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 Tuner at a high used bid price for sale Message-ID: <104.c1d6bfd.29221359@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1295683755&r=0&t=0&inde xURL=0#ebayphotohosting Hard to believe used tuners are demanding these prices... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Nov 13 08:02:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:02:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296149180 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Nov 13 15:41:43 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:41:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <021601c16bdb$70cedea0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <011a01c16c51$507f8610$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Good point. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > Some portable DATs, including the Sony D3, D7, D8 & I think the D10, have > "fake meters", where the 0VU meter reading is, in reality, -10VU. So, you > have 10dB of headroom when you're pegging 0VU. The home/pro DAT decks, as > far as I have seen, are all "honest" meters, where 0VU = 0VU, so, no > headroom. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > experimentation is in order. We have used pro DAT decks for years with > very > > good mics to tape Dead shows. We found that you can exceed the 0 level on > > VU meters...but only for transients. We experienced no distortion...most > of > > the time. It depends on the deck and its meters. You must try them out > > with ever increasing levels until you find the saturation point > > > > regards > > carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:14 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking > > very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button > > while dubbing in the digital mode. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks > > exceed > > > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is > the > > > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > > > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want > to > > > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you > > would > > > set levels vs an analog tape. > > > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with > grades > > > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability > & > > > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything > better > > > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any > data-grade > > > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > > > > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > > > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list > that's > > > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > > > > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton > John > > > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > > > > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. > > These > > > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > > > > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak > at? > > > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > > > > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: El Magnifico > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & > > 3800 > > > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I > > really > > > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of > > the > > > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really > > nice. > > > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > > > results. > > > > > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun > of > > > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed > the > > > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > > > recording business. > > > > > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > > > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > > > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 > for > > > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on > > with > > > Joe consumer. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Nov 13 16:08:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:08:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > difference between the two systems is that apple's > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > format. That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for it's operation. There will be advantages when these are re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't one of them. > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > better. Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been re-written and there is no longer any dependence on previous DOS based modules. The down side is that compatibility with DOS applications has been all but lost. depending on who you are , that could be a *significant* deterrent. > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed system, essentially designed and delivered by a single company. The down side of such a centrally controlled product set is that selection is far more limited. Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: a niche product, catering to very specific applications. The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands down. > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > never had to. Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I never had to... I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby with the wash water. > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > macintosh since I began computing. I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. -- Ron > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > Regards, > > > > Thomas > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 13 18:09:38 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:09:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk open reel media References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B04@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3BF153D0.E1829328@pacbell.net> You're welcome, Tom. When you create an ebay listing there are a number of options that must be clicked yes or no so they become part of the auction listing. Multiple item sellers can probably set the choices to a default setting, but like a naktalker recently mentioned, most sellers, when asked, will ship to countries that are relatively easy to ship to. I usually will too. Brian Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Thanks Brian. Funny how sellers state "will ship to US only". I've > dealt with sellers that have stated this and they have no problem > selling to someone in Australia, why do they state this on the > page? Regards Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: britri at pacbell.net [mailto:britri at pacbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 5:09 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk open reel media > > Tom, click here. This may be close to what you are looking > for. > > Brian Stocker > > http://cgi.eb > y.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1483453174&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1006043426&indexURL=0&rd=1 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Nov 13 18:11:10 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:11:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 Tuner at a high used bid price for sale In-Reply-To: <104.c1d6bfd.29221359@aol.com> Message-ID: Hullo... Sansui TU-X1's should go for about $600, but they're rare on ebay, so they can get bid up higher. TU-9900's are very similar, and they usually also go for about $600. The first one i saw on ebay, maybe four years ago, offered with the matching AU-X1 integrated amp, went for $600 for both components. Wish i'd had the spare change sitting around to bid... joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Nov 13 18:21:48 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:21:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1524 In-Reply-To: <200111122056.VAA06674@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, not to start a war about operating systems, but I remember the time where PC users were wondering why the Mac-world didn't have Lotus 1-2-3, Wordperfect, MS-Paint and some others . The Mac community was then using Excel, MS-Word and Photoshop, much in the same way as they were using that clumsy mouse instead of typing in commands . The Mac world doesn't have a good, reliable firewall solution either, and there are not as much virusscanners . It also lacks the 3458 programs to convert from one graphic format to another, nor does it has 25 different programs to burn a CD . (The Mac doesn't need the firewall, viruses on the Mac are much more difficult to disguise than they are on Windows, and with 2 programs -Quicktime (included) and Graphicconverter (shareware)- you can get very far in conversions) . If you can't live without Weatherbug, it's simple, you need a PC with Windows (BTW, you have to live in the US too) ... Linux won't be a solution either . However, if you're talking about alternatives for Windows, you should take a look at what's available, and then decide what is best suited to your needs, knowing good and weak points for each solution . Eddy > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > John, > > weatherbug is for pc's only. If your point is that software availability for > macs is > limited, I totally agree, but the availability has never been a problem for > me. > > Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Nov 13 18:21:59 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:21:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> <003101c16c63$40ab1300$13eb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c16c67$b4183080$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> making it easier to justify to my wife my $300 purchase of a marantz 120....:) erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > Unless the market has dropped it should go for about 4 to 5 grand > ----- Original Message ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Nov 13 18:34:09 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:34:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1525 In-Reply-To: <200111130014.BAA07825@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: To be exact, it wasn't exactly a knock off ... Apple hired some of the guys that had worked at Palo Alto Research, where the gui idea was dropped more or less, and they devellopped an OS based on the possibilities of the mouse and the graphical elements . I think one of the things Apple did right, was that they chose a technology and incorporated it into their OS, well documented and all, while MS created each time a supplementary layer to hide the MS-DOS underneath . And ... not remembering where you left is keys is bad, but standing up in the morning, picking up your keys and trying to figure out where you left your car, is even worse :-) Eddy > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:45:19 -0600 > From: "erie patsellis" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > actually, if memory serves me correctly, the macintosh gui was a knock off > of the work > done at Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center on computer usability in the > 70's,. > Xerox's research also created ethernet (with digital and intel, hence the 15 > pin aui > connector's nickname DIX), client/server srchitecture, PDL, a forerunner of > Postscript, > the list goes on.... sad thing is, I remember this stuff, but can't remember > where the car > keys are half the time, and I'm only 38!!!... > > > erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 12 18:42:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:42:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c16ba1$5cb113a0$9a199bca@smarzuki> probably just need a new battery ... $192, 2.25 days left , no reserve. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1295278448 with matching monster power amp - $317, 4.4 days left, no reserve !! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296109836 may the force ebay with you SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296149180 > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 13 19:31:28 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:31:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is both amazing and invaluable. Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out another alternative that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the PC and windows is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a user friendly and less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or something else would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. MS DOS was difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely required users to think about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. Thanks again for your thoughts. Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > format. > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > one of them. > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > better. > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > *significant* deterrent. > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > product set is that selection is far more limited. > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > down. > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > never had to. > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > never had to... > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > with the wash water. > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > macintosh since I began computing. > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > -- Ron > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Thomas > > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is both amazing > and invaluable. > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out another alternative > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the PC and windows > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a user friendly and > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or something else > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. MS DOS was > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely required users to think > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > format. > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > one of them. > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > better. > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > down. > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > never had to. > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > never had to... > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > with the wash water. > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in 1997, > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Nov 13 19:46:40 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:46:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> <001401c16ba1$5cb113a0$9a199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <026a01c16c73$88e78e40$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> That is one fine looking power amp. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper > > probably just need a new battery ... $192, 2.25 days left , no reserve. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1295278448 > > with matching monster power amp - $317, 4.4 days left, no reserve !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296109836 > > may the force ebay with you > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296149180 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 12 20:02:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:02:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> <003101c16c63$40ab1300$13eb3fd0@oemcomputer> <001301c16c67$b4183080$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <001601c16bae$47502200$921a9bca@smarzuki> Or you can leave the 120 in the trunk and sneak it up past bedtime ... or give "it's been sitting unused in uncle's house for such a long time" answer whenever deemed necessary. Must say that I'm quite lucky to have a wife who didn't notice the addition of one nak 1000. Erie, is that the one with a scope ? How do you like it ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > making it easier to justify to my wife my $300 purchase of > a marantz 120....:) > > erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 12 20:13:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:13:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <001b01c16bae$5270f2e0$921a9bca@smarzuki> IMO Apple decided to kill itself by trying to control its small world of Macs, always too little too late with open systems and such. Had Gates or somebody else who wasn't afraid of risking its competitive edge headed Apple back in 88 ... you and I and Ron would be using Macs instead of this bug ridden counterintuitive operating system. And please excuse my manner .... :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is both amazing > and invaluable. > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out another alternative > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the PC and windows > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a user friendly and > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or something else > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. MS DOS was > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely required users to think > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > Brian Stocker > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Nov 13 20:25:57 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:25:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> <003101c16c63$40ab1300$13eb3fd0@oemcomputer> <001301c16c67$b4183080$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <001601c16bae$47502200$921a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <027801c16c79$05b53990$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I don't think a Sony PCM-2500 at work is going to get past 'Checkpoint Charlie' at home. "What on earth is that monstrosity?", what dear! Oh! that's a little DAT machine, look at the little tapes. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > > Or you can leave the 120 in the trunk and sneak it up past bedtime ... or > give "it's been sitting unused in uncle's house for such a long time" answer > whenever deemed necessary. Must say that I'm quite lucky to have a wife who > didn't notice the addition of one nak 1000. > > Erie, is that the one with a scope ? How do you like it ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "erie patsellis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > making it easier to justify to my wife my $300 purchase of > > a marantz 120....:) > > > > erie > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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IBM's OS/2 based Warp was already there and for awhile it looked like Microsoft's talibanization of the software industry was going to end. Warp was mac like, It came with basic office apps built in. But like a bunch of idiots IBM decided they would be able to squeeze a few more cents out of users by selling NIC drivers separately thus the basic WARP was a standalone system. It still steams me to think that MS could have been brought down but was allowed to live. On the topic of OSes Does anybody remember DR DOS? It had concurrent DOS screens that could be toggled just like the older Concurrent CP/M MP/M products from another company. Believe it or else there is an increasing interest among antiquarians for computers running obsolete OSes When I started I ran Z80 CP/M off a //e but I dreamed of running MP/M on a Z8000 or was it 80000. A genuine 32 bit mini with 16Mb of RAM Wow! Does anybody remember captain Zilog??? Back in 89 or 90 Apollo Computers made something called a DN10000 with 4 risc processors running at 18Mz I think, putting out about 100 Mflops. In addition to the SCSI bus it could hold upto 4 4gb ESDIs. It was equipped with a whopping 792Mb of RAM! It could also be outfitted with a 48 plane colour board and 2 processors for use as a graphics workstation. It ran a really great Network OS called Domain with a convincing Unix overlay. It could even support distributed computing (DCE) when Microsoft was still trying to figure out what an ethernet address was. I have to say, those guys knew what they were doing back then. Javier "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > both amazing > > and invaluable. > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > another alternative > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > PC and windows > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > user friendly and > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > something else > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > MS DOS was > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > required users to think > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > format. > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > one of them. > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > better. > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > down. > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > never had to. > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > never had to... > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > 1997, > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > -- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > come true!" > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Nov 13 21:23:04 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:23:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <5a.197f9c9.29221f82@aol.com> <003101c16c63$40ab1300$13eb3fd0@oemcomputer> <001301c16c67$b4183080$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <001601c16bae$47502200$921a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c16c81$00747e20$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo decoder doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > > Or you can leave the 120 in the trunk and sneak it up past bedtime ... or > give "it's been sitting unused in uncle's house for such a long time" answer > whenever deemed necessary. Must say that I'm quite lucky to have a wife who > didn't notice the addition of one nak 1000. > > Erie, is that the one with a scope ? How do you like it ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "erie patsellis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > making it easier to justify to my wife my $300 purchase of > > a marantz 120....:) > > > > erie > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Nov 13 22:00:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:00:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> You, too? People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? -- Ron "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > both amazing > > and invaluable. > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > another alternative > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > PC and windows > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > user friendly and > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > something else > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > MS DOS was > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > required users to think > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > format. > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > one of them. > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > better. > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > down. > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > never had to. > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > never had to... > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > 1997, > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > -- > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > come true!" > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Nov 13 22:05:28 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:05:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF175E6.4DDC958F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c16c86$ecb09ee0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> lets see, my first computer was a PDP-8 built out of scrap boards... you had to toggle the bootstrap in to run it. followed by a tandy model one, an Lobo systems clone, etc. My favorite OS is still Nextstep, I loved it, and for years my cube was my main computer... erie > Speaking of great alternatives to MS windows, > Does anybody remember Warp??? > For almost a year MS couldn't seem to get it's 95/lanman combo > out of the factory and into store shelves. IBM's > OS/2 based Warp was already there and for awhile > it looked like Microsoft's talibanization of the ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 13 22:49:16 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:49:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0197033D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I would not worry too much. I've had to wait 8 weeks for an item to come from America. So far everything from America & Germany that I have bought from e-bay has arrived, sometimes early and sometimes very late. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 6:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ebay - help ! In my experience of good coming from the US to the UK (the other way around, I know) 6 weeks is optimistic - I'd reckon on 8-12 weeks. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 12 November 2001 03:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay - help ! Figure on six to eight weeks for Surface Mail to and from Europe. Also the events on 9/11 have slowed things up. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ribbrock [mailto:emgaron at gmx.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 11:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:45:19PM -0600, erie patsellis wrote: > actually, if memory serves me correctly, the macintosh gui was a knock off > of the work done at Xerox at the Palo Alto Research Center on > computer usability in the 70's,. [...] > sad thing is, I remember this stuff, but can't remember where the > car keys are half the time, and I'm only 38!!!... ROFL... If it's any consolation, let me tell you, it starts *way* earlier than that (speaking from experience...)... :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Nov 13 22:56:23 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:56:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000b01c16c8e$09cb9fa0$54756acf@johnrotten> "fc" don't remember that one! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > You, too? > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > -- Ron > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > both amazing > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > another alternative > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > PC and windows > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > user friendly and > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > something else > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > MS DOS was > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > required users to think > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > 1997, > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > come true!" > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 13 22:58:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:58:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0197033B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 13 November 2001 09:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: operating systems If you want to find out more about the history of Apple (Steve Jobs) and Bill Gates and how one ripped the other off rent "Pirates of Silicon valley". Great film. Tom. Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? Are all the ethical companies gone??? If anyone knows of of one that exists LET ME KNOW 'cos I want a new job!!! Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Nov 13 22:39:58 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:39:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! In-Reply-To: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! Q.E.D. SCNR, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Nov 13 22:44:54 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:44:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011113224454.B2908@esme.xs4all.nl> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 10:31:28AM -0800, britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is both amazing and invaluable. The other thing that impresses me as a newcomer is the tolerance against OT postings (and the almost 100% of marking them correctly). Nice going! Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 13 23:27:21 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:27:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <000b01c16c8e$09cb9fa0$54756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: I use Windows 2000 Professionl; my understanding is that this system is NOT overlaid on DOS (as is win 3.0/3.1/95/98/Me...). And, the Apple system was an improvement (rip off?) of something called PARC that was developed by Xerox. It was not a new idea. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems "fc" don't remember that one! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > You, too? > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > -- Ron > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > both amazing > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > another alternative > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > PC and windows > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > user friendly and > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > something else > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > MS DOS was > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > required users to think > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > 1997, > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > come true!" > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Nov 13 23:44:04 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:44:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from metoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> Thomas, what does this reply mean? Brian Stocker Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > Q.E.D. > > SCNR, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 23:35:42 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:35:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011113223542.46119.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Windows NT and Windows 2000 Pro a total different from Windows 3.1/95/98/98SE/ME. They do not run on top of DOS. The vast majority of PC users use the inferior Windows 95/98/98SE/ME version. If I remember correctly the Apple OS was a rip of Smalltalk developed at PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) which was part of Xerox. SJ --- Tiberius Gaius wrote: > I use Windows 2000 Professionl; my understanding is > that this system is NOT > overlaid on DOS (as is win 3.0/3.1/95/98/Me...). > > And, the Apple system was an improvement (rip off?) > of something called PARC > that was developed by Xerox. It was not a new idea. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my > shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you > noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc > command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I > was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT > replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I > was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has > clearly demonstrated that > the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If > Microsoft had not provided > a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I > suspect that Macintosh > or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating > system of choice for the > masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows > format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, > compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 > years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy > to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by > apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My > understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that > apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas > microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of > the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate > the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing > the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows > goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows > format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS > services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages > when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge > processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of > windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, > released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has > been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any > dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is > that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been > all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could > be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in > the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what > Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but > not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more > coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, > a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered > by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally > controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more > limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in > most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current > market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific > applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has > won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with > windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even > though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's > despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices > in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing > away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and > reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Nov 13 23:54:04 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:54:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from metoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! In-Reply-To: <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011113235404.A3541@esme.xs4all.nl> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:44:04PM -0800, britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > > > Q.E.D. > > what does this reply mean? Well, it was in the light of the recent discussions about OS's and especially bugridden/badly designed software, so just another virus problem just goes to prove the point, i.e. "Quod Erat Demonstrandum" (Latin, approx. "what needed to be proven" or "what was intended to be proven"). :-) Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Nov 14 00:17:14 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:17:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003401c16c99$54c6df00$29ea3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: operating systems > Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? Are all the ethical > companies gone??? If anyone knows of of one that exists LET ME KNOW 'cos I > want a new job!!! > > Graham > I think Gates is a pretty good guy, they may be after world domination but they're still nice guys. Just look at the size of his foundation and the amount of money given to third world immunization programs (750 million dollars last year). and lets face it Microsofts size and power is directly linked to IBM's stupidity. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 00:21:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:21:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <000b01c16c8e$09cb9fa0$54756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BF1AB03.13E8BB89@concentric.net> fc compares two files -- either binary ot text -- and displays discrepancies. Very useful. -- Ron "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that > the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided > a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh > or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the > masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux > are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as > a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, > there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting > as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 00:28:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:28:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BF1ACBB.9106CC94@concentric.net> > Graham Nelson wrote: > Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? There are some left. Bill Gates simply isn't one of them. > Are all the ethical companies gone??? If anyone knows > of of one that exists LET ME KNOW 'cos I want a new job!! Hate to sound cynical, but the ethical companies cannot compete with the cut throat, fast guys. They either become unethical or extinct, whichever comes sooner. -- Ron http://www.audioweb.com/Directory/ModelInfo.asp?modelid=9149 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 13 November 2001 09:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: operating systems > > If you want to find out more about the history of Apple (Steve > Jobs) and Bill Gates and how one ripped the other off rent > "Pirates of Silicon valley". Great film. > > > Tom. > > Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? Are all the > ethical companies gone??? If anyone knows of of one that > exists LET ME KNOW 'cos I want a new job!!! > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Nov 14 00:32:04 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:32:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B03@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <009a01c16c9b$67114400$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello, i have for you the zx7 manual but i'am also glad to have the zx9 manual. (just to be complete) Maybe i can send you the zx7 manual and get the ZX9 manual from Thomas ?? greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 00:32:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:32:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments frommetoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BF1AD7B.CCDDDAB2@concentric.net> It mean he has discovered his machine was infected and may have send out infected email without his knowledge. Just do as he says: do not open attachments in emails from him. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thomas, > > what does this reply mean? > > Brian Stocker > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > > > Q.E.D. > > > > SCNR, > > > > Thomas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 01:14:12 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:14:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: Message-ID: <3BF1B754.7321B18C@yahoo.com> Right: Windows 2000 is Windows NT and has no real command line interface. because it's not really a shell on top of anything else. For some reason people seem to think this is a plus. But I like the idea of being able to touch the operating system. Ironically the same people praise NT for not being a GUI shell don't seem to have a problem with Xwindows riding on Unix. Crazy world. When X crashes it crashes into the command shell. When NT crashes it crashes into your face. New Technology my ass. I think the problem is that 286/386/3x/98/98 were Guis built on a crap OS and are condemned to be crap. NT on the other hand is seamless crap! Mac OS was conceptually inspired by Xerox but coded by Apple. PARC stood for Palo Alto Research Center, not the name of the OS Javier Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > I use Windows 2000 Professionl; my understanding is that this system is NOT > overlaid on DOS (as is win 3.0/3.1/95/98/Me...). > > And, the Apple system was an improvement (rip off?) of something called PARC > that was developed by Xerox. It was not a new idea. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that > the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided > a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh > or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the > masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux > are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as > a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, > there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting > as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Nov 14 01:24:32 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:24:32 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Message-ID: <000a01c16ca2$bc64a9e0$4fc39d40@compaq> Norman or Tom - getting the ZX-7 or ZX-9 manual would be great. Please send it when you're ready. Thank you very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hello, i have for you the zx7 manual but i'am also glad to have the zx9 manual. (just to be complete) Maybe i can send you the zx7 manual and get the ZX9 manual from Thomas ?? greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 01:18:08 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:18:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> <003401c16c99$54c6df00$29ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BF1B840.F7E582E9@yahoo.com> Oh cmon Warren Were u bourne yesterday. The SOB bundled those vaccines with win2000 Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:58 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: operating systems > > > Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? Are all the ethical > > companies gone??? If anyone knows of of one that exists LET ME KNOW 'cos > I > > want a new job!!! > > > > Graham > > > > I think Gates is a pretty good guy, they may be after world > domination but they're still nice guys. > Just look at the size of his foundation and the amount of > money given to third world immunization programs (750 million dollars last > year). > and lets face it Microsofts size and power is directly linked to IBM's > stupidity. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 01:47:58 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:47:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <000b01c16c8e$09cb9fa0$54756acf@johnrotten> <3BF1AB03.13E8BB89@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005201c16ca6$01994f40$54756acf@johnrotten> Hey! that's great. I wonder why it doesn't work with my XP OS! Bye, bye DOS. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > fc compares two files -- either binary ot text -- and > displays discrepancies. Very useful. > > -- Ron > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > > You, too? > > > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > > backslash! > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > > family is > > > > both amazing > > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > > another alternative > > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that > > the > > > > PC and windows > > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided > > a > > > > user friendly and > > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh > > or > > > > something else > > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the > > masses. > > > > MS DOS was > > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > > required users to think > > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux > > are > > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > > 1997, > > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as > > a > > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, > > there > > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting > > as > > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > > anyone > > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > > 15839919 > > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 14 02:02:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:02:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <005201c16ca6$01994f40$54756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001e01c16ca8$0bbc9b60$986587d9@a4s1s2> The DOS command I recall worst was "format ....ooops!" also known as "Oh, sh#t..." -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 14 November 2001 12:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems Hey! that's great. I wonder why it doesn't work with my XP OS! Bye, bye DOS. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 02:18:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:18:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001e01c16ca8$0bbc9b60$986587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BF1C653.AE464316@concentric.net> DOS wasn't fool proof -- Windows, OTOH, assumes *all* users are fools and still isn't foolproof. There's no S/W in the world with which a fool cannot do serious damage if she puts her mind to it. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > The DOS command I recall worst was "format ....ooops!" also known as "Oh, > sh#t..." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 14 November 2001 12:48 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > Hey! that's great. I wonder why it doesn't work with my XP OS! Bye, bye DOS. > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 02:23:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:23:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: anybody receive attachment ? References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <3BEE8A55.415D04DD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF1C78C.938469D2@earthlink.net> "bye, bye, Microsoft...." Ron, that has such a nice ring to it! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 02:26:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:26:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF175E6.4DDC958F@yahoo.com> <003301c16c86$ecb09ee0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <02fa01c16cab$6f918620$0c3442cf@sank1> I ran OS/2 Warp for a short while. I still like how it worked better than win95/98, but IBM totally abandoned it in short order. They never really gave it a chance. Also had run DR-DOS for a year or two before that. Found it rather indistinguishable from MS-DOS in practice. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > lets see, my first computer was a PDP-8 built out of scrap boards... > you had to toggle the bootstrap in to run it. followed by > a tandy model one, an Lobo systems clone, etc. > My favorite OS is still Nextstep, I loved it, and for years my cube > was my main computer... > > > > erie > > Speaking of great alternatives to MS windows, > > Does anybody remember Warp??? > > For almost a year MS couldn't seem to get it's 95/lanman combo > > out of the factory and into store shelves. IBM's > > OS/2 based Warp was already there and for awhile > > it looked like Microsoft's talibanization of the > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 14 02:44:26 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:44:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF1C653.AE464316@concentric.net> References: <001e01c16ca8$0bbc9b60$986587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113203033.01f4b3a0@mail.verizon.net> At 11/13/01, you wrote: >DOS wasn't fool proof -- Windows, OTOH, assumes *all* >users are fools and still isn't foolproof. There's no >S/W in the world with which a fool cannot do serious >damage if she puts her mind to it. > >-- Ron Here's a picture of the original Microsoft crew, in 1978. http://marc.stager.com/misc/ms78.jpg None of them is homeless today. BTW it's nice to see that sexism hasn't reared it's ugly head among us intelligent and socially aware Nakamichi owners. It's a shame that some guys have to stoop to such disgraceful humor as jokes like these: ... A bartender is sitting behind the bar on a typical day, when the door bursts open and in come four exuberant blondes. They come up to the bar, order five bottles of champagne and ten glasses, take their order over and sit down at a large table. The corks are popped, the glasses are filled and they begin toasting and chanting, "5 days, 5 days, 5 days!" Soon, three more blondes arrive, take up their drinks and the chanting grows. "5 days, 5 days, 5 days!" Two more blondes show up and soon their voices are joined in raising the roof. "5 days, 5 days, 5 days!" Finally, the tenth blonde comes in with a picture under her arm. She walks over to the table, sets the picture in the middle and the table erupts. Up jump the others, they begin dancing around the table, exchanging high- fives, all the while chanting "5 days, 5 days, 5 days!" The bartender can't contain his curiosity any longer, so he walks over to the table. There in the center is a beautifully framed child's puzzle of the Cookie Monster. When the frenzy dies down a little bit, the bartender asks one of the blondes, "What's all the chanting and celebration about? " The blonde who brought in the picture pipes in, "Everyone thinks that blondes are dumb and they make fun of us. So, we decided to set the record straight. Ten of us got together, bought that puzzle and we put it together in less than a week -- even though the side of the box says 2-4 years!" and Q. Why was the blonde upset when she got her driver's license? A. Because she got an F in sex. I'm glad to see we'll NEVER se this sort of sick humor on this fine forum. __________________________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 03:25:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:25:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF1D618.96FDBF9D@yahoo.com> Not sure what you mean 98 has fc. It's internal so does NT. They both have comp as well. But try to ctty on NT and you'll be sorely disappointed! Back in the old days I would let visiting friends run a dosbox on my old wyse. It made me feel important! Javier Ron wrote: > > You, too? > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > -- Ron > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > both amazing > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > another alternative > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > PC and windows > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > user friendly and > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > something else > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > MS DOS was > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > required users to think > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > 1997, > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > come true!" > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 03:56:53 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:56:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <000b01c16c8e$09cb9fa0$54756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BF1DD75.163F019C@yahoo.com> file compare kernel command "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that > the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided > a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh > or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the > masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux > are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as > a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, > there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting > as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 04:17:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:17:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF1E253.163766F2@earthlink.net> Hi John, You might want to also consider the InnerSound Home Theater Remote. I've included a link and a review. Best of all, it's only $80. http://www.innersound.net/hometheater_remote.htm Cheers, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Remotes for only two devices are a commodity item > nowadays, going for something in the $10 range. > Those I've seen are not of the learning type. Rather, > you key in a number from a table and that brings up > your device codes. I got a 7 device one (for $17 or > so) fro the bedroom system (the wife zealously keeps > the originals on *her* side of the bed) and it could > handle all my units, except that none were as complete > as their original remote. > > For my main system I have a Marantz RC-5000i, that will > do just about anything you wish, for about $300 (provided > you know where to go. It has a touch screen, that you can > setup on a PC and then download into the remote. Quite > a toy, but a waste when all you need it to control two > devices. > > -- Ron > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & > > VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal > > handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. > > I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. > > > > Thank you, > > John > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 04:32:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:32:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <120.70c7745.29233fb6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2001 11:26:58 AM Central Standard Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << making it easier to justify to my wife my $300 purchase of a marantz 120....:) erie >> LOL - good point Erie. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 04:34:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:34:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper Message-ID: <151.3f79944.2923403b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2001 12:49:09 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << That is one fine looking power amp. John >> I agree John, and after the high reviews from this group it makes me want to go for separates. However, I understand the Nak preamps are not very good. What's a good preamp to match with the Nak PA-7? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 04:47:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:47:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo decoder doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> Erie, That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this older tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran across a wonderful website: Tuner Information Center http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ Enjoy! And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui TU-9900, Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or McIntosh MR 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. (smile) And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz 10B? Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? Does it sound THAT good? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 04:51:41 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:51:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF1B754.7321B18C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: What I know is that Win 2k rarely crashes (once a month maybe?), will multitask well, and supports everything I want to do. My friend that uses Mac, though...he cannot multitask...bummer..his computers are more expensive. make your pick, right carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems Right: Windows 2000 is Windows NT and has no real command line interface. because it's not really a shell on top of anything else. For some reason people seem to think this is a plus. But I like the idea of being able to touch the operating system. Ironically the same people praise NT for not being a GUI shell don't seem to have a problem with Xwindows riding on Unix. Crazy world. When X crashes it crashes into the command shell. When NT crashes it crashes into your face. New Technology my ass. I think the problem is that 286/386/3x/98/98 were Guis built on a crap OS and are condemned to be crap. NT on the other hand is seamless crap! Mac OS was conceptually inspired by Xerox but coded by Apple. PARC stood for Palo Alto Research Center, not the name of the OS Javier Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > I use Windows 2000 Professionl; my understanding is that this system is NOT > overlaid on DOS (as is win 3.0/3.1/95/98/Me...). > > And, the Apple system was an improvement (rip off?) of something called PARC > that was developed by Xerox. It was not a new idea. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > "fc" don't remember that one! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that > the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided > a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh > or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the > masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux > are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as > a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, > there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting > as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:58:31 2001 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:58:31 Subject: [naktalk] Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, 11/13 Message-ID: Hi Jeffrey, Thanks for the heads up! Steve Rudick/VE2FSQ Audiotech _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 05:09:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:09:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope Message-ID: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 05:15:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:15:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper References: <151.3f79944.2923403b@aol.com> Message-ID: <03c001c16cc2$f2ef2a60$0c3442cf@sank1> The original CA-5 is a quite decent preamp. Simple, discrete transistor design. Easy to improve with minor upgrades. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper > In a message dated 11/13/2001 12:49:09 PM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << That is one fine looking power amp. > > John >> > > I agree John, and after the high reviews from this group it makes me want to > go for separates. However, I understand the Nak preamps are not very good. > What's a good preamp to match with the Nak PA-7? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 05:16:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:16:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] here's a less expensive tuner - fixer upper Message-ID: <42.1d5645d0.29234a39@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2001 10:16:14 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The original CA-5 is a quite decent preamp. Simple, discrete transistor design. Easy to improve with minor upgrades. >> Thanks Stephen. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 05:25:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:25:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: Message-ID: <03d201c16cc4$5cc21e60$0c3442cf@sank1> The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the world, equalling the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant alignment. Just *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average prices I have seen on nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper average on mint MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is the "cool" oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is built better, looks better & is just plain better design work. And with some upgrades, can be made to sound markedly better than a 10B. But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio station or two in your area. Which I don't! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo decoder > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > Erie, > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this older > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran across a > wonderful website: > > Tuner Information Center > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > Enjoy! > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui TU-9900, > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or McIntosh MR > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. (smile) > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz 10B? > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? Does > it sound THAT good? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Nov 14 05:25:38 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:25:38 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B08@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello Bigbear & Norman, I will e-mail the scans for you next week when I get back to the office. Does your e-mail account have an attachment size limit? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Norman or Tom - getting the ZX-7 or ZX-9 manual would be great. Please send it when you're ready. Thank you very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hello, i have for you the zx7 manual but i'am also glad to have the zx9 manual. (just to be complete) Maybe i can send you the zx7 manual and get the ZX9 manual from Thomas ?? greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 14 06:58:02 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:58:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B In-Reply-To: <03d201c16cc4$5cc21e60$0c3442cf@sank1> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114005535.01fa2060@mail.verizon.net> >... I think the MR71 is built better, looks better & is just plain better >design work. And with some upgrades, can be made to sound >markedly better than a 10B. > >Stephen Sank ================================= Steve, Are there any particular upgrades which you would recommend? _________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Nov 14 07:10:48 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:10:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Received Message-ID: <002901c16cd3$1b55ed80$61879e40@compaq> I received the ZX-7 manual today from Norman. It's just what I needed. Now it will be a couple of days to receive (from what I'm told) my mint ZX-7. Oh let the fun begin! Thanks Norman and thanks Tom. - Big Bear ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hello Bigbear & Norman, I will e-mail the scans for you next week when I get back to the office. Does your e-mail account have an attachment size limit? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Norman or Tom - getting the ZX-7 or ZX-9 manual would be great. Please send it when you're ready. Thank you very much. Hello, i have for you the zx7 manual but i'am also glad to have the zx9 manual. (just to be complete) Maybe i can send you the zx7 manual and get the ZX9 manual from Thomas ?? greetings Norman I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 07:00:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:00:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <105.c489319.2923627f@aol.com> In a message dated 11/13/2001 11:59:43 PM Central Standard Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << >... I think the MR71 is built better, looks better & is just plain better >design work. And with some upgrades, can be made to sound >markedly better than a 10B. > >Stephen Sank >> Stephen, Do these upgrades apply to all McIntosh tuners? (e.g. MR 80) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Nov 14 07:12:44 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:12:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? Message-ID: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, Arizona - 400 miles west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in to 95.5 FM when in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be available thru cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the world, equalling > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant alignment. Just > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average prices I have seen on > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper average on mint > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is the "cool" > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is built better, looks > better & is just plain better design work. And with some upgrades, can be > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio station or two in > your area. Which I don't! ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 07:11:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:11:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sharp looking PA-5 if anyone is interested... Message-ID: <86.128eedb1.29236509@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1295760109 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 14 08:06:59 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:06:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Message-ID: <20011114070659.CSYK5540.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Thomas, Could you please add salim at danareksa.com to your zx9 distrib. list ? I can accept many megabytes in that address. Additional zx7 pdf from Norman won't hurt. :-) Thanks much, Salim SM > > > > > > > > > >
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; from raah@concentric.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 06:32:11PM -0500 References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> <3BF1AD7B.CCDDDAB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20011114090620.A2588@hzsc048.nl.lucent.com> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 06:32:11PM -0500, Ron wrote: > britri at pacbell.net wrote: [...] > > what does this reply mean? [...] > > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > > > > > Q.E.D. [...] > It mean he has discovered his machine was infected and > may have send out infected email without his knowledge. For the record: Nope, that's not what my reply meant (as a matter of fact, Windows viruses wouldn't have the grounds to live on on my computers). I think Brian was asking about *my* reply Jeffrey's mail (which I have explained in the meantime). Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 10:20:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:20:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <105.c489319.2923627f@aol.com> Message-ID: <044a01c16ced$a552cac0$0c3442cf@sank1> They're generally applicable to all tube Mac stereo tuners, but not to the solid state models. But, of course, those can be upgraded as well, just differently. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > In a message dated 11/13/2001 11:59:43 PM Central Standard Time, > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > << >... I think the MR71 is built better, looks better & is just plain better > >design work. And with some upgrades, can be made to sound > >markedly better than a 10B. > > > >Stephen Sank >> > > Stephen, > > Do these upgrades apply to all McIntosh tuners? (e.g. MR 80) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 10:26:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:26:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114005535.01fa2060@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <046301c16cee$6aee4160$0c3442cf@sank1> Contact me off-list, Marc, and I'll be happy to share info with you. Don't want to clog up the list unduly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > > >... I think the MR71 is built better, looks better & is just plain better > >design work. And with some upgrades, can be made to sound > >markedly better than a 10B. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ================================= > Steve, > > Are there any particular upgrades which you would recommend? > > _________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Nov 14 11:53:46 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:53:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Neumann U48 problem! References: <021c01c16bdc$ca655420$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Many thanks for reply. Unfortunately, this mic uses a glued, unassemblable (wow!) capsule. Realy old one - made in 1948. Tube also is wery old - German RF pentode used during WW2. Not too many of them still existing any way - I checked several sites and they charging $1150 for a new one. Guess, I'll find some modern replacement instead. Anyway thanks! Will check this mic today. Misha >Condenser mics are not within my main expertise, but I can say that it >sounds like it could easily be a case of either some particle contamination >between the diaphragm & packplate(i.e., inside) or a connection problem >between the capsule & preamp electronics. It really doesn't sound like a >bad tube. It could also be one of the capacitors in the circuit, of course. >As far as tube alternatives, if it turns out to actually be a bad tube, I'm >afraid I don't have enough familiarity with those sorts of sub-mini tube >types to make a suggestion, except to post a request to the rec.audio.pro >usenet newsgroup. >If the capsule is the culprit, it should not be too hard to very carefully >disassemble it & very gently clean diaphragm & backplate, treating it as you >would a very expensive camera lens. If a solvent is needed to get things >really clean, use methyl-ethyl-ketone or freon. Take extreme measures to >assure that no dust is allowed into the works during re-assembly. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eslabs at snet.net Wed Nov 14 14:23:17 2001 From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:23:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments frommetoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> <3BF1AD7B.CCDDDAB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003d01c16d0f$8862d500$1602a8c0@main> Guy, This was the case. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments frommetoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! It mean he has discovered his machine was infected and may have send out infected email without his knowledge. Just do as he says: do not open attachments in emails from him. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thomas, > > what does this reply mean? > > Brian Stocker > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > > > Q.E.D. > > > > SCNR, > > > > Thomas ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 14:34:06 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:34:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece of equipment. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 14:53:24 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:53:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> Guys, what can I say. I always found the scope to be ugly and distracting. it's also pretty useless and I could never figure out why people want them so badly. Javier "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece of > equipment. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver > with scope > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 15:36:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:36:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <3BF1D618.96FDBF9D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BF28189.D6D3AEE9@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Not sure what you mean > 98 has fc. It's internal > so does NT. They both have > comp as well. Win98 does not have fc. It's *only* available as a DOS command, executable *only* in an MS-DOS Prompt window. As to comp, I can't find it in Win98 and still use the DOS 6.22 (16 bit) version. I'll be grateful if you can help me unearth it in Win98. -- Ron > But try to ctty on NT > and you'll be sorely disappointed! > Back in the old days I would let > visiting friends run a dosbox > on my old wyse. It made me feel important! > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Nov 14 15:53:56 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:53:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: Message-ID: <004d01c16d1c$30079640$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> on the yagi, it is unbeleivable. I live in the middle of nowhere, about halfway between St. Louis and Indianapolis about 120 miles each way, stations from both come in full quieting, and the fact that it has a real AM tuner is wonderful also erie. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo decoder > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > Erie, > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this older > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran across a > wonderful website: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 15:58:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:58:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: Message-ID: <3BF28686.72B8B655@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [..........] > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz 10B? > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? Does > it sound THAT good? The last time I heard one (which was many, many years ago), it sounded glorious. Sensitivity was quite acceptable and I do not recall that they required 'constant alignment'. As to the price -- it's a collectible item. It gathers 6 grands for the same reason diamonds cost a fortune -- because there are people willing to pay that much for a piece of annealed carbon, not for an intrinsic value. IOW, because the WUFWUFs of this world want it. I realize that the following will get some people riled up, but, IME, many modern tuners sound just as good or better than the good old collector items that cost an arm and a leg. I have a HT pre/pro with an nondescript, average tuner fed by an indoor antenna made from a piece of twin lead. Sound quality is definitely a function of the station and the recording being played -- one piece sounding astoundingly good, the very next one, pretty poor. No tuner can improve a basically poor recording over-modulated and distorted by a poor station. I do not see the point in sinking piles of cash into a tuner that will pick the crud just as well as a cheap run of the mill tuner. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 16:05:02 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:05:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <3BF1D618.96FDBF9D@yahoo.com> <3BF28189.D6D3AEE9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF2881E.C7F18706@yahoo.com> Oh I thought you ment the dos/98 dos prompt. You are right the GUI doesn't have it at least I've never seen it. It's really a very incapable GUI if you need to do any kind of intense file manipulation. You can't even pipeline commands together. NT is the same way. That's why they kept a virtual command shell in NT I guess. BTW: Has anyone noticed that in NT if you run command you get a dosbox that doesn't support any doskey or ansi functions (like up arrow for the previous command). On the other hand if you run CMD instead, doskey works fine and my green on black ansi screen works too. VER shows the same shell though! Javier Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Not sure what you mean > > 98 has fc. It's internal > > so does NT. They both have > > comp as well. > > Win98 does not have fc. It's *only* available as a DOS > command, executable *only* in an MS-DOS Prompt window. > > As to comp, I can't find it in Win98 and still use the > DOS 6.22 (16 bit) version. I'll be grateful if you can > help me unearth it in Win98. > > -- Ron > > > But try to ctty on NT > > and you'll be sorely disappointed! > > Back in the old days I would let > > visiting friends run a dosbox > > on my old wyse. It made me feel important! > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > You, too? > > > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > > > both amazing > > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > > another alternative > > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > > > PC and windows > > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > > > user friendly and > > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > > > something else > > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > > > MS DOS was > > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > > required users to think > > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > > 1997, > > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 16:09:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments frommetoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> <3BF1AD7B.CCDDDAB2@concentric.net> <20011114090620.A2588@hzsc048.nl.lucent.com> Message-ID: <3BF2890C.CAA139AA@concentric.net> Ribbrock wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 06:32:11PM -0500, Ron wrote: > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > [...] > > > what does this reply mean? > [...] > > > > Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:12:59AM -0500, Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > > > Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments from me today, > > > > > 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! > > > > > > > > Q.E.D. > [...] > > It mean he has discovered his machine was infected and > > may have send out infected email without his knowledge. > > For the record: Nope, that's not what my reply meant (as a matter of fact, > Windows viruses wouldn't have the grounds to live on on my computers). I > think Brian was asking about *my* reply Jeffrey's mail (which I have > explained in the meantime). My apologies. I took the question to mean, what did Jeff mean in his original post. Another case of putting fingers in motion before engaging brain... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 16:09:18 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:09:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase and strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous lisaqu [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a scope worth staring at! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Guys, what can I say. > I always found the scope to be ugly > and distracting. it's also pretty > useless and I could never figure out why > people want them so badly. > Javier > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece of > > equipment. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver > > with scope > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Wed Nov 14 16:18:45 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:18:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dicussions Message-ID: <200111141018_MC3-E6F4-3495@compuserve.com> Wouter, what is the possibility of setting up an NNTP server for Naktalk? then there would be a better home for the various interesting discussions not directly related to Nakamichi equipment. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 16:25:11 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:25:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: Message-ID: <013001c16d20$8db169c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has refurbished two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound and look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used to be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, their FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a mint Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo decoder > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > Erie, > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this older > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran across a > wonderful website: > > Tuner Information Center > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > Enjoy! > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui TU-9900, > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or McIntosh MR > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. (smile) > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz 10B? > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? Does > it sound THAT good? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 16:43:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:43:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope is strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering of trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase and > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous lisaqu > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a scope > worth staring at! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > useless and I could never figure out why > > people want them so badly. > > Javier > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece of > > > equipment. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver > > > with scope > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 16:59:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:59:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <013001c16d20$8db169c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <04d201c16d25$57351a40$0c3442cf@sank1> John, we gotta get you into a tube Mac tuner. You don't know the "musicality" you're missing, even with the B760. If you don't mind ugly(and hey, you like that ugly Revox;-)>), an MR65B is nearly the same tuner as an MR71 & can be had for usually a few hundred bucks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has refurbished > two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound and > look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used to > be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, their > FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a mint > Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo > decoder > > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than > > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > > > > Erie, > > > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this older > > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran across > a > > wonderful website: > > > > Tuner Information Center > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > > > Enjoy! > > > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui > TU-9900, > > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or McIntosh > MR > > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. > (smile) > > > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz > 10B? > > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs > > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? > Does > > it sound THAT good? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Nov 14 17:20:32 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:20:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope In-Reply-To: <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Stephen Sank wrote: > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope is > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering of > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. The Marantz 120B tuner that I borrowed for a while had an RCA jack or jacks on the back (it's been a while, and I can't remember exactly if it was mono or stereo input to the tuner) to feed it an audio signal, which then made pretty squiggly (not quite Lissajous) patterns on the tube. Nice tuner. The housemate who owned it never used it, and probably still hasn't, but she wouldn't sell it to me, either. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 17:46:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:46:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Big MacTuner - MR65B References: <013001c16d20$8db169c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <04d201c16d25$57351a40$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <015401c16d2b$ed18a080$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Hey! I would love to try one. Please keep an eye open for one for me. Does it also have a scope? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > John, we gotta get you into a tube Mac tuner. You don't know the > "musicality" you're missing, even with the B760. If you don't mind ugly(and > hey, you like that ugly Revox;-)>), an MR65B is nearly the same tuner as an > MR71 & can be had for usually a few hundred bucks. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has > refurbished > > two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound > and > > look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used > to > > be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, > their > > FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a mint > > Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, > the > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > > > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > > > > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo > > decoder > > > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more than > > > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > > > > > > > Erie, > > > > > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this > older > > > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > > > > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran > across > > a > > > wonderful website: > > > > > > Tuner Information Center > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui > > TU-9900, > > > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or McIntosh > > MR > > > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. > > (smile) > > > > > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz > > 10B? > > > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently needs > > > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? > > Does > > > it sound THAT good? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 17:56:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:56:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2001 3:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << They're generally applicable to all tube Mac stereo tuners, but not to the solid state models. But, of course, those can be upgraded as well, just differently. >> Thanks Stephen. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 18:09:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:09:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <9b.1deacb96.2923ff30@aol.com> In a message dated 11/14/2001 9:00:00 AM Central Standard Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << on the yagi, it is unbeleivable. I live in the middle of nowhere, about halfway between St. Louis and Indianapolis about 120 miles each way, stations from both come in full quieting, and the fact that it has a real AM tuner is wonderful also >> Hi Erie, I don't want to open the proverbial can of worms here, but IMHO there are some vintage components that will blow away some of the newer components. I don't know, maybe I'm sentimental as I was introduced to music and audio and stereos in the 70's as a child, but I liked some of those old tuners and receivers and garrad turntables. Just my 2 cents... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 14 18:19:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:19:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> <003401c16c99$54c6df00$29ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BF2A7B4.A4867D0D@pacbell.net> Graham, take your talent and start your own "niceguy "company. There is nothing like being self employed, at least here in the US. But, if you can, find independent contractor employees who meet the correct requirements for that classification and don't work under your roof or with your "infrastructure" because the attendant expenses of staffing a small company are overwhelming! It really hurts once/month when making withholding deposits to the government, not to mention the payroll, healthcare, profitsharing...... Brian S. Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:58 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: operating systems > > > Are there NO nice guys big in business today??? Are all the ethical > > companies gone??? If anyone knows of of one that exists LET ME KNOW 'cos > I > > want a new job!!! > > > > Graham > > > > I think Gates is a pretty good guy, they may be after world > domination but they're still nice guys. > Just look at the size of his foundation and the amount of > money given to third world immunization programs (750 million dollars last > year). > and lets face it Microsofts size and power is directly linked to IBM's > stupidity. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 18:10:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:10:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <158.3fd9263.2923ff89@aol.com> In a message dated 11/14/2001 9:00:41 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << No tuner can improve a basically poor recording over-modulated and distorted by a poor station. I do not see the point in sinking piles of cash into a tuner that will pick the crud just as well as a cheap run of the mill tuner. -- Ron >> Interesting perspective Ron, thanks for sharing. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 14 18:12:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:12:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <2d.14082d67.2923ffed@aol.com> In a message dated 11/14/2001 9:27:44 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has refurbished two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound and look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used to be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, their FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a mint Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! John >> Hi John, My pleasure, and I'm glad it was useful. I too like the looks of the B-760, do either of yours have the AM module? Also, what mods did Stephen make? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Nov 14 18:16:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:16:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Big MacTuner - MR65B References: <013001c16d20$8db169c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <04d201c16d25$57351a40$0c3442cf@sank1> <015401c16d2b$ed18a080$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <04fc01c16d30$185b9f00$0c3442cf@sank1> No. The only way you get a scope with a Mac tuner is to buy an MI-2/3 or MPI-4 scope unit to go with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] Big MacTuner - MR65B > Hey! I would love to try one. Please keep an eye open for one for me. Does > it also have a scope? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > > John, we gotta get you into a tube Mac tuner. You don't know the > > "musicality" you're missing, even with the B760. If you don't mind > ugly(and > > hey, you like that ugly Revox;-)>), an MR65B is nearly the same tuner as > an > > MR71 & can be had for usually a few hundred bucks. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, > the > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has > > refurbished > > > two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound > > and > > > look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used > > to > > > be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, > > their > > > FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a > mint > > > Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, > > the > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > > > > > > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo > > > decoder > > > > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more > than > > > > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Erie, > > > > > > > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this > > older > > > > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > > > > > > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran > > across > > > a > > > > wonderful website: > > > > > > > > Tuner Information Center > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui > > > TU-9900, > > > > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or > McIntosh > > > MR > > > > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. > > > (smile) > > > > > > > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz > > > 10B? > > > > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently > needs > > > > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? > > > Does > > > > it sound THAT good? > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 14 18:42:22 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:42:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> Is it not true that FM through the cable has already been captured by whatever tuner the cable company uses, plus all the devices and transmission to your wall? If so, I wonder what the tuner/s of choice are for cable companies. I recall very high priase for a very expensive, nice looking Tandberg ss tuner that, if my memory serves me had an inexpensive lookalike in the same way that a 3014 had an inexpensive lookalike Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? Brian Stocker bigbear69 wrote: > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, Arizona - 400 miles > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in to 95.5 FM when > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be available thru > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the world, > equalling > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant alignment. Just > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average prices I have seen on > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper average on mint > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is the "cool" > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is built better, > looks > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some upgrades, can be > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio station or two in > > your area. Which I don't! > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 13 19:14:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:14:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003401c16c6f$290be6a0$42289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, my 120B's manual says the audio display can be used to view the degree of separation (mono = 45 degrees tilted line) as well as out of phase stereo (315 = -45 degrees) - with provision for 4ch audio display. It also says the display of L & R audio channels is an X-Y plot, or Lissajou figure. Whatever it is, I really enjoy watching music playing through its audio in ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope is > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering of > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 14 19:13:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > [............] > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? Rationally speaking, there's no reason they should do even a close to comparable job. *Any* SS device characteristic is significantly better than any available tube. Note that the audio portion in tuners represents a rather small percentage of the circuitry. Most of modern tuner features cannot even be implemented with tubes -- they'd take too much power and too much room. -- Ron > > Brian Stocker > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, > > Arizona - 400 miles > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in > > to 95.5 FM when > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be > > available thru > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive > > used tuner, the > > Marantz 10B > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the > > world, > > equalling > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant > > alignment. Just > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average > > prices I have seen on > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper > > average on mint > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is > > the "cool" > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is > > built better, > > looks > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some > > upgrades, can be > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio > > station or two in > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 14 19:19:49 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:19:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF28189.D6D3AEE9@concentric.net> References: <001b01c1693e$47b94ea0$6b289bca@smarzuki> <011d01c16a08$e3a10db0$32756acf@johnrotten> <3BED9FF3.7D4184AD@concentric.net> <20011110231556.A4037@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BEDB65D.9B1BA23B@earthlink.net> <20011111202224.B2033@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF00D4E.510D31DD@pacbell.net> <3BF13758.CB708AEC@concentric.net> <3BF166FA.E7813C4D@pacbell.net> <025701c16c72$fb6275d0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF189F4.2874D8EE@concentric.net> <3BF1D618.96FDBF9D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114130352.01fa8b20@mail.verizon.net> At 11/14/01, you wrote: >Win98 does not have fc. It's *only* available as a DOS >command, executable *only* in an MS-DOS Prompt window. > >As to comp, I can't find it in Win98 and still use the >DOS 6.22 (16 bit) version. I'll be grateful if you can >help me unearth it in Win98. > >-- Ron ============ I'm using windows 95SR2 Go to the start/run window and enter [path]\fc.com /? to see how it works. To compare two files, for example it might be c:\windows\command\fc a.txt b.txt Nowhere to be found as a Windows program, I use Hex Editor 32 bit binaries. http://www.bpsoft.com/ ________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 19:21:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Stephen, A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank you Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope is > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering of > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase and > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous lisaqu > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a > scope > > worth staring at! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > people want them so badly. > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece of > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Nov 14 19:34:56 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:34:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <006801c16d3b$0f672300$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> With all this talk of no decent radio stations in your area, it's something I can relate to having lived in various parts of the world, where sometimes short-wave radio was the best one could do.........very dissatisfactory! Obviously the best case scenario would be a perfectly clean FM signal (playing something we want to hear), a directional rooftop FM antenna and a McIntosh or Magnum Dynalab Etude tuner or the like. How many of us actually have that situation? Probably a very small number. While we all love analog, I have heard good things about the new Digital Satellite Radio that has recently started up. http://www.xmradio.com/home.html Anybody here subscribe to this? I'd love to hear your opinion. It even works in the car despite it being a moving object and is available no matter where you live the US or parts of Canada. The other wonderful option is internet radio which is getting better and better in quality, specially those set up with broadband capability. Couple of my favorite (only one has broadband broadcast) is below, both are jazz: http://kuaz.org/ http://www.kplu.org/ or you can go direct to the Windows media player broadcast @ http://acw.activate.net/kplu/kplu.asx --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 14 19:30:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:30:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF1C653.AE464316@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000501c16d3a$81976d00$7c99193e@a4s1s2> V true, Ron. Very true. Indeed, whilst I find my Windows 98 version 2 is A LOT less likely to cause system crashes than version 1, I don't recall having ANY problems when I used to use MS DOS. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 14 November 2001 01:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems DOS wasn't fool proof -- Windows, OTOH, assumes *all* users are fools and still isn't foolproof. There's no S/W in the world with which a fool cannot do serious damage if she puts her mind to it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Nov 14 19:45:38 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:45:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <9b.1deacb96.2923ff30@aol.com> Message-ID: <003d01c16d3c$8e8300e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I agree wholeheartedly, the only modern receiver I have played with recently is the new magnum dynalab piece. But at 3K, its a bit pricey. erie >Hi Erie, > >I don't want to open the proverbial can of worms here, but IMHO there are >some vintage components that will blow away some of the newer components. I >don't know, maybe I'm sentimental as I was introduced to music and audio and >stereos in the 70's as a child, but I liked some of those old tuners and >receivers and garrad turntables. Just my 2 cents... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 19:55:37 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:55:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B References: <2d.14082d67.2923ffed@aol.com> Message-ID: <019601c16d3d$f300c0b0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> No AM on B 760 but one could add a Dolby Decoder card. Some models, assuming US destination, had Dolby System logo above tuning knob. I've never seen this incarnation on ebay so wonder if any really were sold this way. No mods.done, meters and a transistor replacement, check over and alignment. Stephen found that Signal Strength Meter movement appears to be same as ReVox A77 VU Meter. Those frugal Swiss! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B > In a message dated 11/14/2001 9:27:44 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has > refurbished > two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound and > look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used to > be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, their > FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a mint > Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! > > John >> > > Hi John, > > My pleasure, and I'm glad it was useful. I too like the looks of the B-760, > do either of yours have the AM module? Also, what mods did Stephen make? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 20:05:39 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:05:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Big MacTuner - MR65B References: <013001c16d20$8db169c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <04d201c16d25$57351a40$0c3442cf@sank1> <015401c16d2b$ed18a080$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3BF2C083.5E56C3B2@yahoo.com> The 65B is clearly the best value in mac tube tuners. But I'de recommend you get one as-is with a clean front plate and dial glass for about 100 bucks and have it professionally restored by someone who REALLY knows what he's doing. Don't worry about a little chassis rust. It brings down the resale value wonderfully, without compromising the sound quality, you can't see it from the front and it compliments the chrome quite well! Beware of "works great" ebay deals, you'll probably wind up with a marginal working unit. They are fabulous beasts and they don't have scopes thank God. You could also get an A unit as long as it has the MPX or you'll be stuck listening to mono. While the 71 RF has one more stage and will technically grab signals a little better, the RF difference is small and you won't hear it unless the station is marginal. The audio section if I remember correctly is the same. If you really need a scope Mac made 3 scopes for their tuners, the Mi2, Mi3 and MP4. But generally the signal which can indicate signal strength or multipath merely confirms what you are already hearing. It's fun for awhile but you get bored with it. Thus my MPI/4 lives in the closet in the not for sale ever bin. Javier "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Hey! I would love to try one. Please keep an eye open for one for me. Does > it also have a scope? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > Marantz 10B > > > John, we gotta get you into a tube Mac tuner. You don't know the > > "musicality" you're missing, even with the B760. If you don't mind > ugly(and > > hey, you like that ugly Revox;-)>), an MR65B is nearly the same tuner as > an > > MR71 & can be had for usually a few hundred bucks. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, > the > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > You could add the ReVox B760 to that desirable list. Stephen has > > refurbished > > > two of these units for me, two more also coming from Europe. They sound > > and > > > look just wonderful! Thank you for pointing us to the Tuner site. I used > > to > > > be a very keen FM'er. I wonder if Finco Antenna's are still available, > > their > > > FM-4G Gold anodized models, stacked were hard to beat. Now to find a > mint > > > Yamaha CT-7000 at a reasonable price would be great! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, > > the > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: > > > > > > > > << love it, though it needs a touch up of the alignment, as the stereo > > > decoder > > > > doesn't always come on... with a 3' piece of wire it picks up more > than > > > > my yamaha reciever, which has a roof mounted yagi. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Erie, > > > > > > > > That's an interesting observation, what about sensitivity with this > > older > > > > tuner? And, how's the DX pick-up? > > > > > > > > Also, for the group at large, if you're interested in tuners I ran > > across > > > a > > > > wonderful website: > > > > > > > > Tuner Information Center > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > And, if anyone would like to "bless" me with a Marantz 2130, Sansui > > > TU-9900, > > > > Sansui TU-X1, Yamaha TX-1000, Nakamichi ST-7, Rotel RT-1080, or > McIntosh > > > MR > > > > 77 or MR 78 I will be happy to accept it as an early Christmas gift. > > > (smile) > > > > > > > > And, what's the "big" deal regarding the Kenwood 600T, and the Marantz > > > 10B? > > > > Especially the 10B - why should it gather 6 grand as it apparently > needs > > > > constant alignment and is not very sensitive? What's the "real" deal? > > > Does > > > > it sound THAT good? > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 14 20:16:13 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:16:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FM10 scope In-Reply-To: <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114135004.01f779c0@mail.verizon.net> >On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the >scope is strictly for signal strength (height of trace) & center tuning >(centering of trace).* It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y >the trace for separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. >Stephen Sank * Also multipath distortion, which its most useful display. Any decent tuner has a center and signal strength meter, but with the FM10 you can rotate an antenna for the clearest signal, easily determined by the wiggles of the center of the signal strength display. A perfectly straight line is the lowest distortion. I remember that the FM10B did have a switch to display either center tuning/signal strength/multipath or separation/phase on its scope. It also had an external line input for the scope to display phase, level and separation from an outside source which I found very useful for tape head alignment. When Channel 13 was presenting "Nicholas Nickelby", simulcast in FM stereo on WNYC-FM, I was listening to the FM signal over my FM10R, the rack mount version of the 10B. The sound suddenly became very diffuse and the center image disappeared. On its scope, showing the Lissajous pattern, it was predominantly lower right to upper left, indicating an out of phase signal. In-phase shows as lower left to upper right. After a few minutes of this I called the radio station and they corrected the problem, unaware hat someone had accidentally inverted phase. _____________________Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 14 20:39:20 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:39:20 -0500 Subject: !Re: [naktalk] FM10 scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <5.1.0.14.2.20011114135004.01f779c0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <01bf01c16d44$0eb9dcf0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Great story, I bet you surprised them! See Scopes aren't just toys! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] FM10 scope > > >On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the > >scope is strictly for signal strength (height of trace) & center tuning > >(centering of trace).* It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y > >the trace for separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. > >Stephen Sank > > * Also multipath distortion, which its most useful display. Any decent > tuner has a center and signal strength meter, but with the FM10 you > can rotate an antenna for the clearest signal, easily determined by the > wiggles of the center of the signal strength display. A perfectly straight > line is the lowest distortion. > > I remember that the FM10B did have a switch to display either > center tuning/signal strength/multipath or separation/phase on its > scope. It also had an external line input for the scope to display > phase, level and separation from an outside source which I found > very useful for tape head alignment. > > When Channel 13 was presenting "Nicholas Nickelby", simulcast in > FM stereo on WNYC-FM, I was listening to the FM signal over my > FM10R, the rack mount version of the 10B. The sound suddenly > became very diffuse and the center image disappeared. On its scope, > showing the Lissajous pattern, it was predominantly lower right to upper > left, indicating an out of phase signal. In-phase shows as lower left > to upper right. After a few minutes of this I called the radio station and > they corrected the problem, unaware hat someone had accidentally > inverted phase. > > _____________________Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 20:42:34 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:42:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> <003401c16c99$54c6df00$29ea3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF2A7B4.A4867D0D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BF2C92A.686AE751@yahoo.com> Yeah That's the image Gates cultivated for the first 10 years; A shy friendly geek with something cute to say about everything while having all that fun with his computer. By the time folks realized how much damage the cut throat SOB had been done it was too late. IBM is no saint either. Thanks to them 20 years later we are still strapped to what are essentially super accelerated IBM PCs. Seriously, can you conceive of the folly of booting up into 80 column monochrome text in 2001! Makes for expensive monitors. Or how about having a computer that still has to be told by the OS that it has memory above 512 or 640K! Amazing! Javier > > > > I think Gates is a pretty good guy, they may be after world > > domination but they're still nice guys. > > Just look at the size of his foundation and the amount of > > money given to third world immunization programs (750 million dollars last > > year). > > and lets face it Microsofts size and power is directly linked to IBM's > > stupidity. > > Warren _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 23:24:40 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:24:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF2EF28.F7FEE942@yahoo.com> Personally I have always wondered if it would be possible to implement a varactor type tuner using thermionic diodes. I'm sure they must have some capacitance! Javier Ron wrote: > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > [............] > > > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? > > Rationally speaking, there's no reason they should do > even a close to comparable job. *Any* SS device > characteristic is significantly better than any > available tube. Note that the audio portion in tuners > represents a rather small percentage of the circuitry. > Most of modern tuner features cannot even be implemented > with tubes -- they'd take too much power and too much > room. > > -- Ron > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, > > > Arizona - 400 miles > > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in > > > to 95.5 FM when > > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be > > > available thru > > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive > > > used tuner, the > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the > > > world, > > > equalling > > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant > > > alignment. Just > > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average > > > prices I have seen on > > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper > > > average on mint > > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is > > > the "cool" > > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is > > > built better, > > > looks > > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some > > > upgrades, can be > > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio > > > station or two in > > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > > Only $9.95 per month! > > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Thu Nov 15 01:52:43 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:52:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Warning!! VIRUS!! Do Not open any attachments frommetoday, 11/13/01!!! VIRUS!! In-Reply-To: <3BF2890C.CAA139AA@concentric.net> References: <006b01c16b94$f4b32ec0$1602a8c0@main> <20011113223958.A2908@esme.xs4all.nl> <3BF1A221.C6759006@pacbell.net> <3BF1AD7B.CCDDDAB2@concentric.net> <20011114090620.A2588@hzsc048.nl.lucent.com> <3BF2890C.CAA139AA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20011115015243.B10895@esme.xs4all.nl> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:09:00AM -0500, Ron wrote: > My apologies. I took the question to mean, what did > Jeff mean in his original post. Another case of > putting fingers in motion before engaging brain... Been there, done that, forgot the coffee... ;-) Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Thu Nov 15 01:51:38 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:51:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF2C92A.686AE751@yahoo.com> References: <000c01c16c8e$43a92940$986587d9@a4s1s2> <003401c16c99$54c6df00$29ea3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF2A7B4.A4867D0D@pacbell.net> <3BF2C92A.686AE751@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011115015138.A10895@esme.xs4all.nl> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:42:34PM -0500, Javier Perez wrote: > Seriously, can you conceive of the folly of booting up into 80 > column monochrome text in 2001! Makes for expensive monitors. > Or how about having a computer that still has to be told > by the OS that it has memory above 512 > or 640K! Amazing! That's what I love about my SparcStations... They boot on a text console (as they should), but with full resolution already, i.e. no switching of the monitor when going to X. And if that's not enough, hook up a terminal and you need neither monitor nor keyboard. On the downside: They're not quite as cheap as ix86es, not even 2nd hand. :-( (or not quite as fast - depends on how you look at it). Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 15 02:31:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:31:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114135004.01f779c0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000e01c16d75$4a0187a0$ee9c86d9@a4s1s2> Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to hold up a B52. Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 15 02:50:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:50:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF2EF28.F7FEE942@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BF31F4E.BE6E2576@concentric.net> Yes, vacuum diodes do have capacitance, but it's not voltage controllable (at least, not in a fashion that would make them useful for voltage controlled tuning). In varactors, the capacitance is controlled by the method of doping in the depletion layer. It's a completely different mechanism from vacuum tubes. I wonder whether a SS tuner, but with tubes in the audio frequency path, would offer the best of both worlds: offer SS performance, plus gain approval with tube aficionados. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Personally I have always wondered > if it would be possible to implement > a varactor type tuner using thermionic diodes. > I'm sure they must have some capacitance! > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > [............] > > > > > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? > > > > Rationally speaking, there's no reason they should do > > even a close to comparable job. *Any* SS device > > characteristic is significantly better than any > > available tube. Note that the audio portion in tuners > > represents a rather small percentage of the circuitry. > > Most of modern tuner features cannot even be implemented > > with tubes -- they'd take too much power and too much > > room. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > > > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, > > > > Arizona - 400 miles > > > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in > > > > to 95.5 FM when > > > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be > > > > available thru > > > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive > > > > used tuner, the > > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the > > > > world, > > > > equalling > > > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant > > > > alignment. Just > > > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average > > > > prices I have seen on > > > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper > > > > average on mint > > > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is > > > > the "cool" > > > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is > > > > built better, > > > > looks > > > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some > > > > upgrades, can be > > > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio > > > > station or two in > > > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > > > Only $9.95 per month! > > > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 15 02:51:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:51:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Stephen, > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank you > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope is > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering of > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase and > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous > lisaqu > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a > > scope > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable piece > of > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 15 03:06:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:06:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT References: <000e01c16d75$4a0187a0$ee9c86d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <055601c16d7a$1b5cf880$0c3442cf@sank1> Don't quite recall the 555, but I know the PS-X75 very well. The "biotracer" arm is a ripoff of Denon's servo arm design. It electronically applies stylus pressure & antiskate & actively corrects pressure as it varies with record warpage. Doesn't actually keep up with the record warps, though, causing considerable flexing of the cantilever. So, the only cartridges that work well on them are the Shure models that have the carbon fibre damping brush, such as the V15-VxMR, Ultra500, Me97HE or ML-140HE. The brush partially defeats the action of the servo. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT > Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds > like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. > I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to > hold up a B52. > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 15 03:19:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:19:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <056501c16d7b$fd65d980$0c3442cf@sank1> On non-digital cable systems, where the FM band is unaltered going through the system, I believe there is just a broadband RF amp at the front end, to drive the signal through the miles of cable lines. So, the audio quality is *theoretically* unaffected. The Tandberg you speak of is the 3001A, with it's little brother being the 3011A. There quite good ss tuners, but I don't quite care for the sound of the mpx circuit. Tube tuners sound more musical, generally, by virtue of their tube multiplex decoders, rather than the tube tuning stages. Tube mpx's do a "softer" switching between L&R channels(the mpx essentially toggles between L&R signals at 38kHz), so there is considerably less hashing up of the upper treble. Having a nice tube line amp following the mpx, as in the Mac tuners, helps the treble smoothness still further. Another big part is pilot tone cancellation. The mpx carrier generates a 19kHz subtone in each channel, that is cancelled out by inverse phase mixture of the original carrier. MPX IC chips in the last fifteen years have inexplicably gotten really BAD at pilot cancellation. Chips like the extremely common Sanyo LA3400, used in the vast majority of Japanese tuners & receivers since 1985 or so, has particularly bad pilot cancel. Enough to affect dolby performance in a tape deck when an mpx filter is not engaged. Hence, horrible sound quality. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? > Is it not true that FM through the cable has already been captured by whatever tuner > the cable company uses, plus all the devices and transmission to your wall? If so, I > wonder what the tuner/s of choice are for cable companies. > > I recall very high priase for a very expensive, nice looking Tandberg ss tuner that, > if my memory serves me had an inexpensive lookalike in the same way that a 3014 had an > inexpensive lookalike > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? > > Brian Stocker > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, Arizona - 400 miles > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in to 95.5 FM when > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be available thru > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the > > Marantz 10B > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the world, > > equalling > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant alignment. Just > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average prices I have seen on > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper average on mint > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is the "cool" > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is built better, > > looks > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some upgrades, can be > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio station or two in > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 15 05:45:06 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:45:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B0D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Graham, I own this exact model. Not a bad turntable at all but in my opinion I think the Revox equivalent would give it a run for it's money. I'm running a Ortofon OM 10 moving magnet cartridge. I think the "biotracer" name is what Sony called their linear tracking system. If you want any info on it let me know and I can send you some photos. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 12:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to hold up a B52. Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 15 06:03:29 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:03:29 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B11@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I just found a web site that has a photo of this turntable (not to mention every piece of hifi equipment ever made)! http://www.angelfire.com/music4/andrewhifi/audio.htm Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2001 12:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to hold up a B52. Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 14:00:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:00:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BF3BC6D.79C4F772@yahoo.com> Question Steve Were the Mi/2 and 3 pure XY tuner scopes or did the MPI/4 options for monitoring audio output and dog walking? Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a > vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > Stephen, > > > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, > > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank > you > > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope > is > > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering > of > > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase > and > > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous > > lisaqu > > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a > > > scope > > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable > piece > > of > > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver > > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 15 15:09:43 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:09:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004801c16ddf$2cba5c70$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Yeah! we got some great looking 'scrambled eggs' from Sony PCM-2500 DAT headphone socket! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a > vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > Stephen, > > > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, > > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank > you > > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope > is > > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering > of > > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase > and > > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous > > lisaqu > > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a > > > scope > > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable > piece > > of > > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver > > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 15 16:45:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:45:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> <3BF3BC6D.79C4F772@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <063701c16dec$7f6f6200$0c3442cf@sank1> The MI-2 & MI-3 were X-Y only, which is really the most important mode for their intended function, tuning & audio phase/separation. Only the MPI-4 had also the triggered dual trace mode, to display individual L&R waveforms. At a fixed time/cm, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Question Steve > > Were the Mi/2 and 3 pure XY tuner scopes or did the > MPI/4 options for monitoring audio output and dog walking? > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a > > vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, > > > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank > > you > > > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope > > is > > > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center tuning(centering > > of > > > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > > > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > > > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase > > and > > > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous > > > lisaqu > > > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has a > > > > scope > > > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable > > piece > > > of > > > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > > Receiver > > > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 15 16:46:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:46:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> <004801c16ddf$2cba5c70$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <063d01c16dec$a3d77380$0c3442cf@sank1> Took me a minute, John, to realise what the heck you are talking about. Thought you'd gone off your medication there for a sec.;) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Yeah! we got some great looking 'scrambled eggs' from Sony PCM-2500 DAT > headphone socket! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a > > vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" Oscilloscope, > > > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous (thank > > you > > > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the scope > > is > > > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center > tuning(centering > > of > > > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace for > > > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the McIntosh > > > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of phase > > and > > > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the famous > > > lisaqu > > > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really has > a > > > > scope > > > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable > > piece > > > of > > > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > > Receiver > > > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 15 17:18:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:18:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2001 11:10:30 PM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << I just found a web site that has a photo of this turntable (not to mention every piece of hifi equipment ever made)! http://www.angelfire.com/music4/andrewhifi/audio.htm Regards Tom. >> If you guys are into turntables, I ran across two great websites with pictures of just about everyturntable out there. One caveat - one of the pages "updated" their appearance and now takes a long time to download. Enjoy! -Sam The Turntable Gallery http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ The Turntable Galleria (this one is slow loading at 56 k) - fyi I tried this link this morning and the page was unavailable. Could be for any reason... http://pwp.maxis.net.my/engchye/turntable.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 15 17:28:25 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:28:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope References: <171.3e196d2.29234877@aol.com> <002f01c16d11$090d9040$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3BF27754.EAC82E1C@yahoo.com> <00a901c16d1e$55d3e0c0$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <049701c16d23$24689080$0c3442cf@sank1> <017e01c16d39$33a3a290$12756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <052801c16d78$13f7e200$0c3442cf@sank1> <004801c16ddf$2cba5c70$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <063d01c16dec$a3d77380$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01ed01c16df2$8d187cb0$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> On reading it back I can see why! Pretty nice small scope. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 Receiver with scope > Took me a minute, John, to realise what the heck you are talking about. > Thought you'd gone off your medication there for a sec.;) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > Receiver with scope > > > > Yeah! we got some great looking 'scrambled eggs' from Sony PCM-2500 DAT > > headphone socket! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > If the scope, which I have never seen one of, has a horizontal input & a > > > vertical input, you can use it as a tuning scope, yes. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > A guy at work here gave me a "YAESU YO-101 MONITOR SCOPE" > Oscilloscope, > > > > anybody here know anything about this unit? Could I get Lissajous > (thank > > > you > > > > Joel) patterns with it from the ReVox scope outputs? > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:43 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > On every Marantz scope'd tuner I've ever seen, 10B included, the > scope > > > is > > > > > strictly for signal strength(height of trace) & center > > tuning(centering > > > of > > > > > trace). It has no audio connection, i.e., no way to x-y the trace > for > > > > > separation/phase, nor l&r dual trace. On the other hand, the > McIntosh > > > > > MI-2/3 & MPI-4 scopes had all of the above abilities. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:09 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz 2500 > > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely the scope should tell many things. Signal in or out of > phase > > > and > > > > > > strength, best antenna positioning, stereo separate with the > famous > > > > lisaqu > > > > > > [sp.] effect nicknamed 'scrambled eggs'. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to play with/own a Sequerra Tuner, now that really > has > > a > > > > > scope > > > > > > worth staring at! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz > 2500 > > > > > > Receiver with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, what can I say. > > > > > > > I always found the scope to be ugly > > > > > > > and distracting. it's also pretty > > > > > > > useless and I could never figure out why > > > > > > > people want them so badly. > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $300+ already and it doesn't even work. Yes, a very desirable > > > piece > > > > of > > > > > > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - A real beauty - Marantz > 2500 > > > > > > Receiver > > > > > > > > with scope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1294409315 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 15 17:58:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:58:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2001 12:37:26 PM Central Standard Time, roleo at telus.net writes: << The other wonderful option is Internet radio which is getting better and better in quality, specially those set up with broadband capability. Couple of my favorite (only one has broadband broadcast) is below, both are jazz: >> Hi Roland and all, When I worked with Excite at Home, they offered a wonderful broadband streaming music service. Commercial-free, stereo at 128 Kbs and it was VERY clean. Unfortunately, you have to connect your PC to your larger stereo system, or have decent speakers to truly enjoy it. Also, there is an audiophile component, a tube processor designed to make the sound your PC creates of "audiophile" quality. It's called the 12dac something by Sutherland and I would like to ask has anyone used this device? The URL is: The Sutherland tube PC/MAC preamp http://home.swbell.net/ronsuthe/index.html This webpage also includes some interesting links, including links to tube manufacturers. This is an interesting proposition and is USB-compatiable. There is a small write up at audiorevolution, but it's more like a press release than a review. www.audiorevolution.com, choose "equipment reviews," and then scroll down under October until you find Sutherland. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best of all, it's only $80. > > http://www.innersound.net/hometheater_remote.htm > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Remotes for only two devices are a commodity item > > nowadays, going for something in the $10 range. > > Those I've seen are not of the learning type. Rather, > > you key in a number from a table and that brings up > > your device codes. I got a 7 device one (for $17 or > > so) fro the bedroom system (the wife zealously keeps > > the originals on *her* side of the bed) and it could > > handle all my units, except that none were as complete > > as their original remote. > > > > For my main system I have a Marantz RC-5000i, that will > > do just about anything you wish, for about $300 (provided > > you know where to go. It has a touch screen, that you can > > setup on a PC and then download into the remote. Quite > > a toy, but a waste when all you need it to control two > > devices. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & > > > VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal > > > handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. > > > I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 15 18:37:33 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> <3BF1E253.163766F2@earthlink.net> <023c01c16df7$183c76d0$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <019001c16dfc$359f40e0$bdf63fd0@oemcomputer> Hi John Its not really by innersound but by a company called home theater master they have various models check out http://www.universalremote.com/htm/products/index.html Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... > Thanks Jim that looks really interesting. I'll check it out. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... > > > > Hi John, > > > > You might want to also consider the InnerSound Home Theater Remote. I've > > included a link and a review. Best of all, it's only $80. > > > > http://www.innersound.net/hometheater_remote.htm > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Remotes for only two devices are a commodity item > > > nowadays, going for something in the $10 range. > > > Those I've seen are not of the learning type. Rather, > > > you key in a number from a table and that brings up > > > your device codes. I got a 7 device one (for $17 or > > > so) fro the bedroom system (the wife zealously keeps > > > the originals on *her* side of the bed) and it could > > > handle all my units, except that none were as complete > > > as their original remote. > > > > > > For my main system I have a Marantz RC-5000i, that will > > > do just about anything you wish, for about $300 (provided > > > you know where to go. It has a touch screen, that you can > > > setup on a PC and then download into the remote. Quite > > > a toy, but a waste when all you need it to control two > > > devices. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > I need to buy a new remote control unit. This for a Sony TV & > > > > VCR system only. Anybody here know of a truly universal > > > > handheld replacement remote that could perform all functions. > > > > I don't want a large table top remote it must be handheld. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > John > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Nov 15 18:50:02 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:50:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT References: <000e01c16d75$4a0187a0$ee9c86d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BF40048.1CAC040@pacbell.net> More than 20 or so years ago, I bought a big, heavy, clearance sony which I believe had the biotracer arm. There were, if memory serves, 4 servomotors built into the arm for the control of horiz/vertic motion: 1 motor per direction. It supposedly could think faster than the record spun, using it's own feedback to apply force where appropriate. An interesting concept but one that I was unable to rate because I was only a teenage audiophile who liked his music LOUD with a big yamaha integratedamp and magneplanar mg-1's with no bottom end, but a descent soundstage. It became senile right after the warranty was up. Brian Stocker Graham Nelson wrote: > Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds > like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. > I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to > hold up a B52. > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 15 18:41:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:41:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive used tuner, the Marantz 10B Message-ID: <11a.71a8dc5.2925583a@aol.com> Thank you all for your comments and information regarding these vintage tuner, I really appreciate it. Also, if any of you are interested there are two Marantz 10B's, and two Sansui TU-X1's for sale on eBay. Happy bidding! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Nov 15 18:53:52 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:53:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF2EF28.F7FEE942@yahoo.com> <3BF31F4E.BE6E2576@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BF4012D.5868D104@pacbell.net> A hybrid tuner: what a great idea, Ron. I wonder if one exists already. Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > Yes, vacuum diodes do have capacitance, but it's not > voltage controllable (at least, not in a fashion that > would make them useful for voltage controlled tuning). > In varactors, the capacitance is controlled by the > method of doping in the depletion layer. It's a > completely different mechanism from vacuum tubes. > > I wonder whether a SS tuner, but with tubes in the > audio frequency path, would offer the best of both > worlds: offer SS performance, plus gain approval with > tube aficionados. > > -- Ron > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Personally I have always wondered > > if it would be possible to implement > > a varactor type tuner using thermionic diodes. > > I'm sure they must have some capacitance! > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > [............] > > > > > > > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? > > > > > > Rationally speaking, there's no reason they should do > > > even a close to comparable job. *Any* SS device > > > characteristic is significantly better than any > > > available tube. Note that the audio portion in tuners > > > represents a rather small percentage of the circuitry. > > > Most of modern tuner features cannot even be implemented > > > with tubes -- they'd take too much power and too much > > > room. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, > > > > > Arizona - 400 miles > > > > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in > > > > > to 95.5 FM when > > > > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be > > > > > available thru > > > > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive > > > > > used tuner, the > > > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the > > > > > world, > > > > > equalling > > > > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant > > > > > alignment. Just > > > > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average > > > > > prices I have seen on > > > > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper > > > > > average on mint > > > > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is > > > > > the "cool" > > > > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is > > > > > built better, > > > > > looks > > > > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some > > > > > upgrades, can be > > > > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio > > > > > station or two in > > > > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > > > > Only $9.95 per month! > > > > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Nov 14 22:37:43 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:37:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B08@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c16e0d$98ddfdc0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello, i have a size limit of 5 Megabyte greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:25 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hello Bigbear & Norman, I will e-mail the scans for you next week when I get back to the office. Does your e-mail account have an attachment size limit? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 11:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Norman or Tom - getting the ZX-7 or ZX-9 manual would be great. Please send it when you're ready. Thank you very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hello, i have for you the zx7 manual but i'am also glad to have the zx9 manual. (just to be complete) Maybe i can send you the zx7 manual and get the ZX9 manual from Thomas ?? greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I can scan my ZX-9 manual for you but the earliest I can get you the copy is next week - I don't have a scanner at home. I hope that is ok. There is basically no difference in operation betweek the two models. The only difference will be the specs page and the fact the the ZX-7 is belt driven and not direct drive like the ZX-9. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed I'm expecting to receive a mint Nakamichi ZX-7 cassette deck soon. There is no manual included and I also noticed that it is not on Wouter's Nak support site. Can someone please send the file or tell me where to go to download one? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sir_stewart at hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 19:48:33 2001 From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:48:33 Subject: [naktalk] CD Fungus Message-ID: G'day, On the subject raised by Graham of CD fungus, the following web-page is of interest : http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s400527.htm It seems as though the fungus adds to the value of the CD .... It is hard to believe that there are people collecting these infected CDs!! Mick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 16 00:02:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:02:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF2EF28.F7FEE942@yahoo.com> <3BF31F4E.BE6E2576@concentric.net> <3BF4012D.5868D104@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <068f01c16e29$9a1582a0$0c3442cf@sank1> My "dream tuner", assuming I ever live somewhere that makes one worth it, would be a McIntosh MR80, but with an upgraded MR71 MPX & output amps. There was actually a hybrid tuner made for a very short time by Moscode, called the Major Armstrong, I think. But it merely had tube output amps, not tube MPX, so it was not much better than a good ss tuner. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? > A hybrid tuner: what a great idea, Ron. I wonder if one exists already. > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > Yes, vacuum diodes do have capacitance, but it's not > > voltage controllable (at least, not in a fashion that > > would make them useful for voltage controlled tuning). > > In varactors, the capacitance is controlled by the > > method of doping in the depletion layer. It's a > > completely different mechanism from vacuum tubes. > > > > I wonder whether a SS tuner, but with tubes in the > > audio frequency path, would offer the best of both > > worlds: offer SS performance, plus gain approval with > > tube aficionados. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Personally I have always wondered > > > if it would be possible to implement > > > a varactor type tuner using thermionic diodes. > > > I'm sure they must have some capacitance! > > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [............] > > > > > > > > > > Do good tube tuners do a much better job than ss? > > > > > > > > Rationally speaking, there's no reason they should do > > > > even a close to comparable job. *Any* SS device > > > > characteristic is significantly better than any > > > > available tube. Note that the audio portion in tuners > > > > represents a rather small percentage of the circuitry. > > > > Most of modern tuner features cannot even be implemented > > > > with tubes -- they'd take too much power and too much > > > > room. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bigbear69 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's also no decent radio station here in Phoenix, > > > > > > Arizona - 400 miles > > > > > > west of you. Most of it is El Sucko. My advice is to tune in > > > > > > to 95.5 FM when > > > > > > in Los Angeles. I believe this station was and may still be > > > > > > available thru > > > > > > cable service. Yeh, you're right about the 10B. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:25 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - here's an expensive > > > > > > used tuner, the > > > > > > Marantz 10B > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Marantz 10B one of the two best sounding tuners in the > > > > > > world, > > > > > > equalling > > > > > > > the McIntosh MR71. Neither of these needs constant > > > > > > alignment. Just > > > > > > > *proper* alignment every decade or two. The average > > > > > > prices I have seen on > > > > > > > nice 10B's are $2000-3200, which is 2-3 times the upper > > > > > > average on mint > > > > > > > MR71's. The only rationale I could ever see for this is > > > > > > the "cool" > > > > > > > oscilloscope on the 10B. Otherwise, I think the MR71 is > > > > > > built better, > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > better & is just plain better design work. And with some > > > > > > upgrades, can be > > > > > > > made to sound markedly better than a 10B. > > > > > > > But none of this matters unless you have a worthy radio > > > > > > station or two in > > > > > > > your area. Which I don't! > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > > > > > > Only $9.95 per month! > > > > > > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 16 00:04:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF40F72.E75C0EA5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <069a01c16e29$d6180f20$0c3442cf@sank1> Can I get a "Yeah, right!" here? What an insult to McIntosh. The guy is obviously on crack. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" > If price has always been an obstacle for getting McIntosh sound ;-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1297888783 > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Nov 16 00:35:28 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits J. Raven) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:35:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF2EF28.F7FEE942@yahoo.com> <3BF31F4E.BE6E2576@concentric.net> <3BF4012D.5868D104@pacbell.net> <068f01c16e29$9a1582a0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c16e2e$35980230$9e3cbbd4@Colossus2001> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] No decent radio station in your area? > My "dream tuner", assuming I ever live somewhere that makes one worth it, > would be a McIntosh MR80, but with an upgraded MR71 MPX & output amps. Sequerra and Revox are my top models, connected to a 14 element yagi antenna on a rotor. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 16 02:39:00 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:39:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000701c16e3f$e6fb04d0$92756acf@johnrotten> Another question for you both. Do you use the "emphasis" switched in when dubbing analog signals to DAT. Isn't it a mild form of noise reduction, boosting signal at low levels and then cutting back on replay? Thank you, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking > very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button > while dubbing in the digital mode. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks > exceed > > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is the > > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want to > > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you > would > > set levels vs an analog tape. > > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with grades > > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability & > > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything better > > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any data-grade > > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list that's > > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton John > > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. > These > > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak at? > > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: El Magnifico > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & > 3800 > > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I > really > > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of > the > > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really > nice. > > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > > results. > > > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun of > > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed the > > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > > recording business. > > > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 for > > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on > with > > Joe consumer. > > > > John > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Nov 16 03:56:04 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:56:04 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> <000701c16e3f$e6fb04d0$92756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3BF48044.000004.67189@mycomputer.coqui.net> I personally don't like it and has never use it. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 15, 2001 08:49:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... Another question for you both. Do you use the "emphasis" switched in when dubbing analog signals to DAT. Isn't it a mild form of noise reduction, boosting signal at low levels and then cutting back on replay? Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 16 03:06:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:06:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> <000701c16e3f$e6fb04d0$92756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <06ca01c16e43$42d36920$0c3442cf@sank1> Never use emphasis. There's no good reason to use it. Ever. It was a stupid concept in the first place. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > Another question for you both. Do you use the "emphasis" switched in when > dubbing analog signals to DAT. Isn't it a mild form of noise reduction, > boosting signal at low levels and then cutting back on replay? > > Thank you, > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters kicking > > very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button > > while dubbing in the digital mode. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks > > exceed > > > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is > the > > > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom above > > > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you want > to > > > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you > > would > > > set levels vs an analog tape. > > > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with > grades > > > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is durability > & > > > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything > better > > > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any > data-grade > > > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > > > > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. There > > > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list > that's > > > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > > > > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton > John > > > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > > > > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. > > These > > > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > > > > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak > at? > > > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > > > > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: El Magnifico > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 & > > 3800 > > > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I > > really > > > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone of > > the > > > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really > > nice. > > > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with wonderful > > > results. > > > > > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun > of > > > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed > the > > > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in the > > > recording business. > > > > > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > > > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > > > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 > for > > > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on > > with > > > Joe consumer. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 16 03:46:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:46:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT... References: <002e01c16ae4$2c9478a0$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BEEFC9D.000004.55393@mycomputer.coqui.net> <00a401c16b00$f964f640$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEF1F1A.000004.68989@mycomputer.coqui.net> <01ad01c16b1c$5583ec90$51756acf@johnrotten> <014701c16b25$ba6c3460$0c3442cf@sank1> <00b901c16b95$17635710$50756acf@johnrotten> <000701c16e3f$e6fb04d0$92756acf@johnrotten> <06ca01c16e43$42d36920$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <012201c16e48$d8e10210$92756acf@johnrotten> 2 negative votes. Emphasis turned off! :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > Never use emphasis. There's no good reason to use it. Ever. It was a > stupid concept in the first place. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > Another question for you both. Do you use the "emphasis" switched in when > > dubbing analog signals to DAT. Isn't it a mild form of noise reduction, > > boosting signal at low levels and then cutting back on replay? > > > > Thank you, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > Great. Thank you Stephen and Carlos. I would have had those meters > kicking > > > very close to 0. Can one still insert song breaks using the play button > > > while dubbing in the digital mode. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > > When recording to digital, it is VERY important to not let your peaks > > > exceed > > > > 0VU. The 0VU level, on most DAT decks, including the two you have, is > > the > > > > absolute maximum level it can record, with exactly 0dB of headroom > above > > > > that. In other words, 0VU is the clipping point, period. So, you > want > > to > > > > pretty much treat -10VU as if it is the 0VU point, in terms of how you > > > would > > > > set levels vs an analog tape. > > > > There are different grades of DAT blanks, but only inasmuch as with > > grades > > > > of video tape. But, with DAT, the ONLY thing that matters is > durability > > & > > > > error rate. As these two criteria go, I haven't yet found anything > > better > > > > than the pre-Quantegy Ampex 467 tape. But I haven't tried any > > data-grade > > > > tapes, so it may not be the only good choice. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:49 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos and fellow naka's > > > > > > > > If you find a source for pre-recorded DAT please spread the word. > There > > > > appears to be many DAT tape swappers all over, here's one DAT list > > that's > > > > always being updated DAT-heads-Request at datheads.phish.net > > > > > > > > I have already got a U2 audience DAT recording from Sweden, an Elton > > John > > > > Concert from Rio plus a Train sound recording from NC. > > > > > > > > I'm looking forward to making some room to set up everything properly. > > > These > > > > players, especially the PCM-2500 need lots of room. > > > > > > > > Carlos, when dubbing cassettes onto DAT tapes what levels do you peak > > at? > > > > Surely hitting 0VU is unnecessary with DAT. > > > > > > > > Does Nakamichi make an affordable DAT I wonder. > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: El Magnifico > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:00 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice, John. I have 3 of those machines. A Panasonic 3700 > & > > > 3800 > > > > both for professional applications and a Sony ES for domestic use. I > > > really > > > > like it because when using the digital input you make a perfect clone > of > > > the > > > > source (CD). By the way, those cables that Stephen send me are really > > > nice. > > > > I tested them against the LAT , Apogee, Canare and Mogami with > wonderful > > > > results. > > > > > > > > I'm looking for some commercial recorded dats just for the fun > > of > > > > it. The digital protection dilemma and politics bullshit never allowed > > the > > > > dat to be full blown in the domestic arena but it is an standard in > the > > > > recording business. > > > > > > > > What I have been doing lately is transferring those very old > > > > cassettes to master dats via the analog input and it's fun ! > > > > > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 05:41:06 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT... > > > > > > > > I'm playing with DAT Carlos, Stephen pointed me at a $200 Sony > > > > PCM-2500 that's built like a brick s________! and a Panasonic SV-3700 > > for > > > > dubbing. Seems like Recording Studio's use them but it never caught on > > > with > > > > Joe consumer. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 16 04:22:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:22:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> <3BF1E253.163766F2@earthlink.net> <023c01c16df7$183c76d0$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3BF4868C.430CE536@earthlink.net> Anytime, John. If you order it direct from InnerSound, tell Roger Sanders that I referred you. I'm an InnerSound dealer. Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Thanks Jim that looks really interesting. I'll check it out. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... > > > Hi John, > > > > You might want to also consider the InnerSound Home Theater Remote. I've > > included a link and a review. Best of all, it's only $80. > > > > http://www.innersound.net/hometheater_remote.htm > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 16 05:45:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:45:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh scope Message-ID: <16e.4020740.2925f403@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296869453 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 16 06:13:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:13:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio components Message-ID: <11e.77ae6c3.2925fa71@aol.com> Great picture, enjoy! -Sam http://www.retroaudio.ru/marantz/tuner/10B.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Nov 16 06:39:08 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:39:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems In-Reply-To: <3BF28189.D6D3AEE9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002001c16e61$03da8460$2102a8c0@henry> Ron, If you can get to the Win98 Resource Kit you can use Windiff. It is on the Windows 98 CD in the \\tools\reskit\file directory. Here is a blurb about it: Discover the difference between folder contents with WinDiff The Resource Kit contains a utility called WinDiff that allows you to quickly compare the contents of two folders. After you've installed the Resource Kit (see the above tip), to use WinDiff: >From the Start menu, point to Programs, then point to Windows 98 Resource Kit, and then click Tools Management Console. Go to the \Tools A to Z\U to Z directory and double-click WinDiff. >From the File menu, click Compare Directories and type the path of the folders you want to compare. Click OK and WinDiff will give you a line-by-line list of the differences between the contents of the folders. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems Javier Perez wrote: > > Not sure what you mean > 98 has fc. It's internal > so does NT. They both have > comp as well. Win98 does not have fc. It's *only* available as a DOS command, executable *only* in an MS-DOS Prompt window. As to comp, I can't find it in Win98 and still use the DOS 6.22 (16 bit) version. I'll be grateful if you can help me unearth it in Win98. -- Ron > But try to ctty on NT > and you'll be sorely disappointed! > Back in the old days I would let > visiting friends run a dosbox > on my old wyse. It made me feel important! > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > You, too? > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > -- Ron > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, backslash! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk family is > > > both amazing > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point out > > > another alternative > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly demonstrated that the > > > PC and windows > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not provided a > > > user friendly and > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that Macintosh or > > > something else > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for the masses. > > > MS DOS was > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but definitely > > > required users to think > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to point-and-click. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to Linux are > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I switched in > > > 1997, > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see it as a > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. Also, there > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be interesting as > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if anyone > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > > > --- > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 16 07:20:51 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:20:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... References: <001801c16ae9$85314f10$51756acf@johnrotten> <3BEEEC16.434CC8AC@concentric.net> <3BF1E253.163766F2@earthlink.net> <023c01c16df7$183c76d0$3c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <019001c16dfc$359f40e0$bdf63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BF4B043.ADF61140@earthlink.net> Thanks for the link, Warren. It's nice to see that InnerSound didn't mark up the price of theirs. Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > Hi John > Its not really by innersound but by a company called home theater master > they have various models check out > http://www.universalremote.com/htm/products/index.html > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... > > > Thanks Jim that looks really interesting. I'll check it out. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:17 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Learning remote controls... > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > You might want to also consider the InnerSound Home Theater Remote. I've > > > included a link and a review. Best of all, it's only $80. > > > > > > http://www.innersound.net/hometheater_remote.htm > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 16 07:35:34 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:35:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh scope References: <16e.4020740.2925f403@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c16e68$e559b440$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Interestingly its going for more than either the tuner/preamp the guy has listed and for more than the mac amp Warren can you use this as a real scope? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh scope > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296869453 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 16 07:46:29 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:46:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF40F72.E75C0EA5@pacbell.net> <069a01c16e29$d6180f20$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BF4B645.BEC0C10A@earthlink.net> Hey, don't knock it until you try it. Not that I'm recommending buying it to find out. = ) Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Can I get a "Yeah, right!" here? What an insult to McIntosh. The guy is > obviously on crack. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" > > > If price has always been an obstacle for getting McIntosh sound ;-) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1297888783 > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio components > Great picture, enjoy! > > -Sam > > http://www.retroaudio.ru/marantz/tuner/10B.htm > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 16 15:37:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:37:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... Message-ID: <8c.f8c82a1.29267ec1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/16/2001 7:08:02 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I ordered one and had it put on your tab. John >> My tab is full, maybe Graham will pick this one up for us. What about it Graham? LOL -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 16 17:16:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:16:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] operating systems References: <002001c16e61$03da8460$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3BF53BD2.7A6533E6@concentric.net> Many thanks for the pointer. There wasn't a resource kit on my Start Menu, but since you provided the location on the CD, it was a breeze to find. This was a good opportunity to go over other samples from the resource kit (I also copied over the Text Viewer and the Long File Name Backup utilities. NakTalk is such a wonderful, helpful list. I never expected to find Windows pointers here. Thanks again, -- Ron "Timothy H. Jackson" wrote: > > Ron, > > If you can get to the Win98 Resource Kit you can use Windiff. It is on > the Windows 98 CD in the \\tools\reskit\file directory. > > Here is a blurb about it: > > Discover the difference between folder contents with WinDiff > The Resource Kit contains a utility called WinDiff that allows you to > quickly compare the contents of two folders. After you've installed the > Resource Kit (see the above tip), to use WinDiff: > > >From the Start menu, point to Programs, then point to Windows 98 > Resource Kit, and then click Tools Management Console. > Go to the \Tools A to Z\U to Z directory and double-click WinDiff. > >From the File menu, click Compare Directories and type the path of the > folders you want to compare. > Click OK and WinDiff will give you a line-by-line list of the > differences between the contents of the folders. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:37 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Not sure what you mean > > 98 has fc. It's internal > > so does NT. They both have > > comp as well. > > Win98 does not have fc. It's *only* available as a DOS > command, executable *only* in an MS-DOS Prompt window. > > As to comp, I can't find it in Win98 and still use the > DOS 6.22 (16 bit) version. I'll be grateful if you can > help me unearth it in Win98. > > -- Ron > > > But try to ctty on NT > > and you'll be sorely disappointed! > > Back in the old days I would let > > visiting friends run a dosbox > > on my old wyse. It made me feel important! > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > You, too? > > > > > > People smirk at me when, watching over my shoulder, they > > > see me using commands in a DOS window. Have you noticed > > > that, to this day, Windows does not have the fc command? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > C: Man I miss the DOS days. I really felt that I was in charge, > backslash! > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] operating systems > > > > > > > > > Ron, the manner, thought, and INTELLIGENT replies to the Naktalk > family is > > > > both amazing > > > > > and invaluable. > > > > > > > > > > Sensing some dissatisfaction with windows, I was trying to point > out > > > > another alternative > > > > > that had not been presented. The market has clearly > demonstrated that the > > > > PC and windows > > > > > is the choice for most computer users. If Microsoft had not > provided a > > > > user friendly and > > > > > less expensive alternative to the Macintosh, I suspect that > Macintosh or > > > > something else > > > > > would have become the computer/operating system of choice for > the masses. > > > > MS DOS was > > > > > difficult to learn, compared to any windows format, but > definitely > > > > required users to think > > > > > about and understand more about computers, compared to > point-and-click. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been using apple/macintosh for >20 years. The > > > > > > > windows format that made computers so easy to use was > > > > > > > established and or invented by apple/macintosh. Somehow, > > > > > > > microsoft knocked it off. My understanding of the > > > > > > > difference between the two systems is that apple's > > > > > > > windows exist from the ground up, whereas microsoft's > > > > > > > windows are essentially layered on top of the old msdos > > > > > > > and go through a huge process to emulate the windows > > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a very simplistic way of describing the Windows > > > > > > architecture. It is *not* true that Windows goes "through > > > > > > a huge process to emulate the windows format." Windows > > > > > > is a modular S/W that does use some MS-DOS services for > > > > > > it's operation. There will be advantages when these are > > > > > > re-written, but elimination of 'huge processes' ain't > > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, newer versions of windows do this > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Windows XP (the latest version, released last > > > > > > month) doesn't do it at all. Everything has been > > > > > > re-written and there is no longer any dependence on > > > > > > previous DOS based modules. The down side is that > > > > > > compatibility with DOS applications has been all but > > > > > > lost. depending on who you are , that could be a > > > > > > *significant* deterrent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't like microsoft's products, in the spirit > > > > > > > of Naktalkers, who appreciate what Nakamichi has done > > > > > > > for the cassette format, buy a macintosh! > > > > > > > > > > > > That's extremely poor advice for most (but not all) > > > > > > computer users. Mac users enjoy a a more coherent system > > > > > > because it is, for all intents and purposes, a closed > > > > > > system, essentially designed and delivered by a single > > > > > > company. The down side of such a centrally controlled > > > > > > product set is that selection is far more limited. > > > > > > Prices are higher. Performance is lower (in most areas). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason for the Mac's current market position: > > > > > > a niche product, catering to very specific applications. > > > > > > The market has had it's say and the PC has won, hands > > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I have had very little experience with windows, but I > > > > > > > never had to. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have had some Apple experience, even though I > > > > > > never had to... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not here to defend Microsoft's despicable business > > > > > > practices and sloppy professional practices in any way. > > > > > > I just do not see the wisdom of throwing away the baby > > > > > > with the wash water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed the ease of use and reliability of > > > > > > > macintosh since I began computing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish you continued ease of use and reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd say your chances of successfully switching to > Linux are > > > > > > > > probably better than ever, given its development. I > switched in > > > > 1997, > > > > > > > > and admittedly, it was work (which I didn't mind, as I see > it as a > > > > > > > > hobby as well). Today, it should be quite a bit easier. > Also, there > > > > > > > > are other possibilities - MacOS X is supposed to be > interesting as > > > > > > > > well (I haven't tried it, being a Unix guy myself), and if > anyone > > > > > > > > invented "ease of use", it probably Apple... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Want to know how to quote correctly? > > > > > > > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > > > > > > > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: > 15839919 > > > > > > > > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your > dreams > > > > come true!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 17:53:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:53:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" References: <003501c16cd3$6061b580$61879e40@compaq> <3BF2ACFB.1CD2356C@pacbell.net> <3BF2B42E.149043EE@concentric.net> <3BF40F72.E75C0EA5@pacbell.net> <069a01c16e29$d6180f20$0c3442cf@sank1> <3BF4B645.BEC0C10A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BF54485.9301DB17@yahoo.com> Well how about that. It looks like they've finally been able to beat the sonic excellence of a stock first generation SS Mac! Let's not tell them that you can do real wonders on 2100s and 250s by just replacing a few dried out components. See Ya Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hey, don't knock it until you try it. Not that I'm recommending buying > it to find out. = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> Can I get a "Yeah, right!" here? What an insult to McIntosh. The >> guy is >> obviously on crack. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Mcintosh sound, "cheap" >> >> > If price has always been an obstacle for getting McIntosh sound >> ;-) >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1297888783 >> > >> > >> > > Brian Stocker >> > >> > > > > >> ======= >> -----------------------------------------------------------------=== >> >> ====== >> > > > > >> > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi >> > > > > Cassette Deck resource. >> > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ======= >> -----------------------------------------------------------------=== >> >> ====== >> > > >> === >> ====------------------------------------------------------------------== >> >> ======= >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck >> resource. >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > >> === >> ====------------------------------------------------------------------== >> >> ======= >> > >> >> = >> ======------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 16 19:28:18 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:28:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... In-Reply-To: <8c.f8c82a1.29267ec1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c16ecc$76c9b980$939e193e@a4s1s2> What's that, Sam? I've gone blind as well as deaf!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 16 November 2001 02:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... In a message dated 11/16/2001 7:08:02 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I ordered one and had it put on your tab. John >> My tab is full, maybe Graham will pick this one up for us. What about it Graham? LOL -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 16 20:35:03 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Free DAT Sampler, almost. Message-ID: <01d301c16ed5$ca48e9b0$5a756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> DAT folks. Core Sound of NJ http://www.core-sound.com/ has a free DAT sampler tape, almost. You must send them a blank DAT tape. Only sad part is demo is very short but what do you expect for free! Check out the tape contents at their web site. It certainly has wetted my appetite to try some recording. I'm new to DAT and so quite amazed at its dynamic range. Just being able to hear very faint sounds can minutes later almost blow one out of the room! Our sampler tape is now available on CD-R, Minidisc, DAT and cassette, It now includes recordings made with our Core Sound Binaural Microphones (tm) , Core Sound Cardioid Microphones (tm) , and High End Binaural microphones! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 16 07:01:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:01:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? Message-ID: <000b01c16e64$18645ca0$ae299bca@smarzuki> Hi nakfellas, Has anybody compared a regular cd vs xrcd one ? As I understand it is a very high quality recording process ... not to re-open the worms can, but once we have the ones and zeroes on cd, theoretically there should be no differences between original and burned copy, right ? Its not like hdcd or something ? Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 16 07:08:43 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:08:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? Message-ID: <001201c16e65$254c6380$ae299bca@smarzuki> Hi nakfellas, Has anybody compared a regular cd vs xrcd one ? As I understand it is a very high quality recording process ... not to re-open the worms can, but once we have the ones and zeroes on cd, theoretically there should be no differences between original and burned copy, right ? It's not like hdcd or something ? This is from jvc page: "The K2 Super Coding also provides a bit down mode to convert 20 bits to 16 bits, and interface signal reshaping to eliminate time base jitter in the digital data stream. ". As I recall Ron said that jitter did not take place in the recording, only as dac input clock / timing error on playback. Is there any jitter related to downconvert 20 bits to 16 bits ? http://www.xrcd.net/Shopping/process.asp Thanks, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 17 07:31:05 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:31:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? References: <000b01c16e64$18645ca0$ae299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <010501c16f31$6f8a4da0$e5ed3fd0@oemcomputer> On the few xrcds I have the sound quality is very good and in comparson to an average (read major label) issue they sound better in direct comparison However there is more to this than just 1's and 0's such as the source tape, the mastering etc. When you have a good mastering engineer like Steve Hoffman at Dcc or Irwin at Sundazed who take the time to find the original master tape and not a mix tape a few generations down the results are usually very good. My two cents Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? > > Hi nakfellas, > > Has anybody compared a regular cd vs xrcd one ? As I understand it is a > very high quality recording process ... not to re-open the worms can, but > once we have the ones and zeroes on cd, theoretically there should be no > differences between original and burned copy, right ? Its not like hdcd or > something ? > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Nov 17 09:48:16 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:48:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Recording In-Reply-To: <200111140425.FAA16598@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, here's a link to an article that might be of interest to some of you : it's about David Sarser ... "a recording idol" . It was mentioned in the Roxio Newsletter . http://www.roxio.com/en/interest/community/whoswho/davidsarser.html Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 16 14:04:07 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:04:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ?/ NOT - CR3 References: <20011117094834.F05547387@blr.vsnl.net.in> Message-ID: <000301c16e9f$4d8805e0$83199bca@smarzuki> Hi Warren & Kannan, Sorry for the double posting. What I meant is that while the xrcd itself is better than average cds, a 'clone' of that xrcd made on desktop pc should have similar quality, right ? Since the final 1s and 0s are similar, provided we use good quality recorder & media ... what do you think ? Kannan, if you're thinking about op275, I don't think there's a place for that on CR3/4's signal path, as it uses the built in amp from cx20188 ... which imo partially responsible for its 'thin' sound compared to older naks (even bx300). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan Srinivas" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ?/ NOT - CR3 > > I agree with Warren about good measure taken in mastering a CD. I found MFSL CD ( I had "The Wall -by Pink Floyd") to really excellent. > I think people in this Group would have much more to say about MFSL with more experience. > When are we going to discuss "non OT" topic??? > > I opened a CR3 today and after aligning the play heads and adjusting playback level - I realised that it is really an excellent Nak ( when you see that you get a Cr3 for 200- 230USD on ebay) > It is also an excellent candidate for upgrade like PS bypass/ Coupling cap Bypass as well as Opamp upgrade with literally no wiring! > Since Stephen expressed that 582 as an excellent candidate for upgrade due to single PCB with no wiring) as well as discrete playback circuit etc. > I suddenly realised that CR3 / may be CR4 also would be an ideal candidate as they have young components and much more reliable switches compared to 582! > What you guys think?? > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 16:26:34 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:26:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? References: <20011117094834.F05547387@blr.vsnl.net.in> <000301c16e9f$4d8805e0$83199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BF681AA.E6A999F2@yahoo.com> Hi Everyone Sorry for the OT What's all the commotion about this Harry Potter Movie. What's it about and is it worth seeing. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 15 06:50:04 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:50:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] meridian In-Reply-To: <000e01c16d75$4a0187a0$ee9c86d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Anybody out there with experience with all digital (source to speakers) meridian home theatre systems? There is a complete system on EBAY;price might be right. My concern is reliability and sound quality for the money. Also, if anyone has experience with the analogue active powered speakers comments are appreciated. My neighbour is very interested in a Linn aktiv system or possibly a Meridian system. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony PS-X555 ES TT Anyone heard of this TT before? A "biotracer", whatever that is! (Sounds like it's medical!) I just hard about this TT and shown a picture of it. I've never seen anything like it before - got an arm like it was built to hold up a B52. Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 17 18:08:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:08:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... Message-ID: <60.16f63f10.2927f38c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/16/2001 12:34:41 PM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << What's that, Sam? I've gone blind as well as deaf!!! Graham >> LOL - John and I are looking for someone to "bless" us with a mint Marantz 2500 or 2250 Receiver. How are you my brother? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 17 19:28:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:28:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) Re: marantz receivers Message-ID: Just curious, is anyone familiar or own (owned) any of these components? If yes, please respond offline from NakTalkers as I would like to know your impressions and if in your opinion could these components hold their own today. (with a few modifications of course) Marantz SM-7 Amplifier Marantz 510R Amplifier (matching component to the 10B tuner) Technics ST-9600/9600 Tuners (curious if popularity is due to performance or rare availability in the US) Technics SE-9600 Amplifier If you're curious, the reason I'm asking is that as I'm out and about I occasionally "run" across older components and I don't want to pass up a good piece at someone's garage sale or something. Thank you in advance for your help, and thank you all for assisting with my McIntosh questions, I really appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 17 19:51:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:51:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? References: <000b01c16e64$18645ca0$ae299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BF6B19D.D863F125@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi nakfellas, > > Has anybody compared a regular cd vs xrcd one? As I understand it is a > very high quality recording process ... not to re-open the worms can, but > once we have the ones and zeroes on cd, theoretically there should be no > differences between original and burned copy, right ? Its not like hdcd or > something ? > > Thanks, > Salim SM XRCD stands for Extended Range CD, which -- not surprisingly -- it isn't. The resolution is exactly identical to standard CDs: 16 bits. (Their mastering is done at 20 bits, same as most other major label premium CDs.) Reading JVC's explanation, XRCD boils down to careful manufacturing process that pays special attention to sonic quality. Whatever the resulting improvement is worth, is embedded in the bit stream recorded on the CD. So, I think that if you use a reasonable quality CD recorder (or CD-R drive), you will get the exact same high quality from the copied CD. I have never tried it, though. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 17 20:20:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:20:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... In-Reply-To: <60.16f63f10.2927f38c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c16f9c$e8869540$e76287d9@a4s1s2> Hang on a minute Sam - it's ME who's supposed to be the Pauper! But you can be sure that, when I eventually win £m on the lottery I'll treat you both! (Note I said when ...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 17 November 2001 05:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... In a message dated 11/16/2001 12:34:41 PM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << What's that, Sam? I've gone blind as well as deaf!!! Graham >> LOL - John and I are looking for someone to "bless" us with a mint Marantz 2500 or 2250 Receiver. How are you my brother? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 17 22:25:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:25:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - For those of you interested in vintage audio c... Message-ID: <2b.1e6b34ae.29282fb4@aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/2001 1:26:34 PM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Hang on a minute Sam - it's ME who's supposed to be the Pauper! But you can be sure that, when I eventually win £m on the lottery I'll treat you both! (Note I said when ...) Graham >> LOL - OK Graham, you got it! How are you otherwise my friend? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Nov 17 22:28:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:28:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) Re: marantz receivers References: Message-ID: <07f201c16fae$bd4fc9c0$0c3442cf@sank1> The SM-7 is later Philips crap. Not worth much. The 510R, made around 1975, was a much-cheapened version of the beastly & nice 500, and is essentially the power amp section of the 2500 receiver. The real 500 is worth $1000-1500 or more. The 510 is worth at most $500. The Technics models you mention are reasonably good, but not worth drooling over. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) Re: marantz receivers > Just curious, is anyone familiar or own (owned) any of these components? If > yes, please respond offline from NakTalkers as I would like to know your > impressions and if in your opinion could these components hold their own > today. (with a few modifications of course) > > Marantz SM-7 Amplifier > Marantz 510R Amplifier (matching component to the 10B tuner) > Technics ST-9600/9600 Tuners (curious if popularity is due to performance or > rare availability in the US) > Technics SE-9600 Amplifier > > If you're curious, the reason I'm asking is that as I'm out and about I > occasionally "run" across older components and I don't want to pass up a good > piece at someone's garage sale or something. > > Thank you in advance for your help, and thank you all for assisting with my > McIntosh questions, I really appreciate it! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 17 22:34:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:34:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) Re: marantz receivers Message-ID: <25.1e65bc2b.292831dd@aol.com> In a message dated 11/17/2001 3:27:45 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The SM-7 is later Philips crap. Not worth much. The 510R, made around 1975, was a much-cheapened version of the beastly & nice 500, and is essentially the power amp section of the 2500 receiver. The real 500 is worth $1000-1500 or more. The 510 is worth at most $500. The Technics models you mention are reasonably good, but not worth drooling over. >> As always Stephen, thank you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Nov 18 02:40:58 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:40:58 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? Message-ID: <000301c16fd2$147f8000$4aec2c41@compaq> No. It deals with the dark side of the supernatural. In other words, you're just as better off going to the library and getting a book on witchcrtaft. Kids of course find this exciting. Being young and not educated in the Holy Bible, they don't just know what they're doing. I have watched Pastor John Hagee weeks ago on his topic of Harry Potter. This whole thing is evil from the ground up. Since being acknowledge with the info, I will refuse to take my 15 and 11 year old to the movie. I am one of the fortunate people to be sent to a private Christian grade school (K thru 8th grade). But I never found such a good pastor as John Hagee out of San Antonio, Texas. He wiil read a Bible verse or verses and describe it better 'as to what it means' than any pastor I know. He is on the TBN network and usually has 2 shows a week. You may find out more about him on his website at www.jhm.org Also Jack Van Impe is on the TBN network as well with a new show each week. This man has 14,000 bible verses memorized. He is also very interesting to listen to. His web site is www.jvim.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? > Hi Everyone > Sorry for the OT > What's all the commotion about this > Harry Potter Movie. What's it about > and is it worth seeing. > Javier ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 18 03:25:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:25:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? In-Reply-To: <000301c16fd2$147f8000$4aec2c41@compaq> Message-ID: <000401c16fd8$5844af80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> Harry Potter evil? What, "evil" like listening to music, dancing, drinking alcohol, gambling, women being educated, women working and spending money on frivolous Nakamichi's? Remember guys - we can't take our Nak's with us to Heaven. If it won't go through the eye of a needle it ain't supposed to be get into Heaven. However, I'm having room for my hi fi built into my cast tho' - just in case. Taking a drinks cabinet with me, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: 18 November 2001 01:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? No. It deals with the dark side of the supernatural. In other words, you're just as better off going to the library and getting a book on witchcrtaft. Kids of course find this exciting. Being young and not educated in the Holy Bible, they don't just know what they're doing. I have watched Pastor John Hagee weeks ago on his topic of Harry Potter. This whole thing is evil from the ground up. Since being acknowledge with the info, I will refuse to take my 15 and 11 year old to the movie. I am one of the fortunate people to be sent to a private Christian grade school (K thru 8th grade). But I never found such a good pastor as John Hagee out of San Antonio, Texas. He wiil read a Bible verse or verses and describe it better 'as to what it means' than any pastor I know. He is on the TBN network and usually has 2 shows a week. You may find out more about him on his website at www.jhm.org Also Jack Van Impe is on the TBN network as well with a new show each week. This man has 14,000 bible verses memorized. He is also very interesting to listen to. His web site is www.jvim.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? > Hi Everyone > Sorry for the OT > What's all the commotion about this > Harry Potter Movie. What's it about > and is it worth seeing. > Javier ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 18 04:50:51 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:50:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? References: <000301c16fd2$147f8000$4aec2c41@compaq> Message-ID: <001401c16fe4$377f49c0$39f63fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? > No. It deals with the dark side of the supernatural. In other words, you're > just as better off going to the library and getting a book on witchcrtaft. > Kids of course find this exciting. Being young and not educated in the Holy > Bible, they don't just know what they're doing. I have watched Pastor John > Hagee weeks ago on his topic of Harry Potter. Well it is a shame that you didn't actually *read* the books instead of listening to someone who condems with one hand and asks for money with the other. In actual fact the main character of the book is in a battle *against* evil. its a fun kids story just like cinderella but you wouldn't know that unless you *read* the book. I do feel sorry for your children missing out on all the fun. Respectfully Warren Ps for Javier et al Wizards and Hogwarts! Muggles and mudbloods! Quidditch and broomsticks! None of those things mean anything to Harry Potter, a small, skinny, bespectacled boy with an unusual lightning-bolt shaped scar on his forehead-until his eleventh birthday. That's when he starts receiving letters inviting him to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Harry learns that his parents did not die in a car crash but were killed by Voldemort, the Lord of Darkness, and that he's famous in the world of wizardry. So Harry leaves the home of his Aunt Petunia, Uncle Vernon, and their hateful son Dudley, who are mere muggles (humans without one drop of magic in them), and embarks on a new life. And the changes continue as Harry spends year after year at Hogwarts, a place where he not only learns about being a wizard, but also about friendship and loyalty and fear and courage, and about his own past and future, his family, and his destiny. Harry's first four years at Hogwarts are chronicled in the first four Harry Potter books. In each of those stories, amidst fun and laughter, pranks and pitfalls, mystery and suspense, Harry continues his battle against the evil Lord Voldemort. The books have become enormously popular for their captivating mixture of magical pranks and misadventures, eccentric characters (such as Moaning Myrtle who haunts the girls' bathroom, and Nearly Headless Nick who was not quite completely beheaded, and the Veela who bewitch those around them), courageous heroes and sneering, scheming villains, brilliantly original ideas, and breathtaking excitement - rollicking good reads that appeal to readers of all ages. http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/guides/index.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 17 05:49:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:49:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? References: <000b01c16e64$18645ca0$ae299bca@smarzuki> <3BF6B19D.D863F125@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000d01c16f23$483ed3a0$5d299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Ron ! Like you said, probably the reason for copy differences came from the player, which may have problems reading burned copy (media etc), so higher error correction took place. Also imo lately we get better recording quality from plain cds, compared to say 5-6 yrs ago. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - XRCD ? > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi nakfellas, > > > > Has anybody compared a regular cd vs xrcd one? As I understand it is a > > very high quality recording process ... not to re-open the worms can, but > > once we have the ones and zeroes on cd, theoretically there should be no > > differences between original and burned copy, right ? Its not like hdcd or > > something ? > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > XRCD stands for Extended Range CD, which -- not > surprisingly -- it isn't. The resolution is exactly > identical to standard CDs: 16 bits. (Their mastering > is done at 20 bits, same as most other major label > premium CDs.) > > Reading JVC's explanation, XRCD boils down to careful > manufacturing process that pays special attention to > sonic quality. Whatever the resulting improvement is > worth, is embedded in the bit stream recorded on the > CD. > > So, I think that if you use a reasonable quality CD > recorder (or CD-R drive), you will get the exact same > high quality from the copied CD. I have never tried it, > though. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 18 07:01:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:01:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> Hi guys, I'm having a problem with my Hewlett Packard printer/copier/scanner and thought one of you might be able to help. The paper feeder is not working like it should. It seems that either the mechanism that raises the paper to the pinch rollers isn't rising high enough or the pinch rollers themselves need cleaning. I'm hoping that it only needs a bit of cleaning My question is, what do you guys use to clean the pinch rollers on your cassette decks? I need something that will clean, but not dry, the rubber. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 18 09:40:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:40:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> I use MEK to clean the rollers periodically on my HP deskjet500, my old workhorse. Same as I use on pinch rollers & lots of other things. I clean the rollers once the dj500 fails to pick up the paper on the last 2 or 3 sheets. I've come to accept as normal that it won't always pick up the very last sheet in the bin. These old dj500's are the only printers I've ever had that are actually reliable. Had nothing but bad luck with anything else. Like this supposedly superior Canon color printer I have at home. What the hell were they thinking having the sheet feeder sticking up in the back, with the grabbing-side of the paper & the rollers exposed to dust & pet hair raining down on them? Morons! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... > Hi guys, > > I'm having a problem with my Hewlett Packard printer/copier/scanner and thought one of > you might be able to help. The paper feeder is not working like it should. It seems > that either the mechanism that raises the paper to the pinch rollers isn't rising high > enough or the pinch rollers themselves need cleaning. I'm hoping that it only needs a > bit of cleaning > > My question is, what do you guys use to clean the pinch rollers on your cassette decks? > I need something that will clean, but not dry, the rubber. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 18 11:26:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:26:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Classic valve/tube set up In-Reply-To: <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000601c1701b$8e7450e0$e76287d9@a4s1s2> This is nice .... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296324463 Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 18 11:59:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:59:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BF794AC.A6C6DD4E@earthlink.net> Stephen, My five year old Office Jet 1150C won't even accept paper when the tray is full. Any idea where I can find MEK in small quantities? Thanks, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I use MEK to clean the rollers periodically on my HP deskjet500, my old > workhorse. Same as I use on pinch rollers & lots of other things. I clean > the rollers once the dj500 fails to pick up the paper on the last 2 or 3 > sheets. I've come to accept as normal that it won't always pick up the very > last sheet in the bin. These old dj500's are the only printers I've ever > had that are actually reliable. Had nothing but bad luck with anything > else. Like this supposedly superior Canon color printer I have at home. > What the hell were they thinking having the sheet feeder sticking up in the > back, with the grabbing-side of the paper & the rollers exposed to dust & > pet hair raining down on them? Morons! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Nov 18 12:20:01 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:20:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <200111181059.LAA16900@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... Hi, using an HP 560C at home, I remember that HP in the beginning that that type was sold, had a special action, where one could order (for free) an ingenious device, with some springs and some sandpaper, that had to be mounted inside the printer, after which, without any paper in the tray, one had to do some formfeeds . The result was that the rubber was scraped off a bit, thus improving the grip on the paper . I guess that just passing some sandpaper over the rollers, would do the same job . I'm not recommending this method for some Nak pinch rollers, but for the HP-printers, it worked . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 18 13:28:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:28:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 18 November 2001 11:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems I guess that just passing some sandpaper over the rollers, would do the same job . I'm not recommending this method for some Nak pinch rollers, but for the HP-printers, it worked . Eddy Hey, why not? Think radical! Graham ;o) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 17 12:47:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:47:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c16f68$b250b480$891a9bca@smarzuki> Exactly my thought on epson stylus crap which accumulates gunk on the back bin just like a trash chute ! And it consumed ink like crazy. I have only one problem on hp 560c (spurious dots) which was fixed easily by cleaning that thin plastic 'belt' on the carriage. I clean the hp rubber roller and also nak pinch roller using moist cloth, which usually good for several months on hp case (no heavy use anyway). Not familiar with print/fax/scan mechanism though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... > I use MEK to clean the rollers periodically on my HP deskjet500, my old > workhorse. Same as I use on pinch rollers & lots of other things. I clean > the rollers once the dj500 fails to pick up the paper on the last 2 or 3 > sheets. I've come to accept as normal that it won't always pick up the very > last sheet in the bin. These old dj500's are the only printers I've ever > had that are actually reliable. Had nothing but bad luck with anything > else. Like this supposedly superior Canon color printer I have at home. > What the hell were they thinking having the sheet feeder sticking up in the > back, with the grabbing-side of the paper & the rollers exposed to dust & > pet hair raining down on them? Morons! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm having a problem with my Hewlett Packard printer/copier/scanner and > thought one of > > you might be able to help. The paper feeder is not working like it should. > It seems > > that either the mechanism that raises the paper to the pinch rollers isn't > rising high > > enough or the pinch rollers themselves need cleaning. I'm hoping that it > only needs a > > bit of cleaning > > > > My question is, what do you guys use to clean the pinch rollers on your > cassette decks? > > I need something that will clean, but not dry, the rubber. Any > suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 17 14:13:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:13:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems References: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001201c16f69$992e92a0$891a9bca@smarzuki> For some hardened rubber on 4-68x series, it sure work wonders ! Once every 5 years though ... and be extra careful with the capstan shaft, all it takes is one slight scrub and the scratch is permanent, believe me :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Printer problems > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > POLLET Eddy > Sent: 18 November 2001 11:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems > > > I guess that just passing some > sandpaper over the rollers, would do the same job . > I'm not recommending this method for some Nak pinch rollers, but for the > HP-printers, it worked . > > Eddy > > Hey, why not? Think radical! > > Graham ;o) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 18 15:49:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:49:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> <3BF794AC.A6C6DD4E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BF7CA89.FA3864A1@concentric.net> I have two HP printers (DJ870 and DJ890) that require cleaning of the rubber rollers every few months. In the absence of MEK, I once used (you guessed it:) tape head cleaner. Worked very well... In all, the HP printers have been semi troublesome. The latest quirk started to cause 'Carriage cannot move' error messages. I discovered that, once the warranty is over, HP prefers that one buy a new printer, rather then repair. Turned out the carriage motor was almost seized. Taking the mechanism apart was a hassle ( a good hour job for something that should take 5 minutes), but once cleaned and lubricated, it started to work again. Another issue has to do with their driver. Any print job that goes awry is followed by 'loss of communication with printer' and required reboot. In all, my next printer will not be an HP. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Stephen, > > My five year old Office Jet 1150C won't even accept paper when the tray is full. Any > idea where I can find MEK in small quantities? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I use MEK to clean the rollers periodically on my HP deskjet500, my old > > workhorse. Same as I use on pinch rollers & lots of other things. I clean > > the rollers once the dj500 fails to pick up the paper on the last 2 or 3 > > sheets. I've come to accept as normal that it won't always pick up the very > > last sheet in the bin. These old dj500's are the only printers I've ever > > had that are actually reliable. Had nothing but bad luck with anything > > else. Like this supposedly superior Canon color printer I have at home. > > What the hell were they thinking having the sheet feeder sticking up in the > > back, with the grabbing-side of the paper & the rollers exposed to dust & > > pet hair raining down on them? Morons! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 18 17:30:08 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:30:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT Snake Oil .... or is it? In-Reply-To: <000601c1701b$8e7450e0$e76287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000001c1704e$4958c940$7cc5193e@a4s1s2> Sorry this is waayy off topic but I had to share this with you. Guys! We've often talked about "Snake Oil". Well get a load of this: http://Smell_Great_Forever_2001.Feel_Great_APC_and_Easy_Fine_Safe_SmellGreat _APC_Magnet4697345385.angelfire.com3627473965Look_Great_for_The_Summer_2001. angelfire_Fast_and_Easy_angelfire.com_Androstenone_Formula_Scientificbreakth ru_APC_phermones at belle.home.ro/ent.htm I wonder if they make anything that fixes hi fi just by dropping a few ounces of it on the affected parts ... Or may be some kind of pheromone/liquid Viagra that boosts the performance of our Nakamichi's ... We'd all buy it, wouldn't we? Of course we would ... ;o) Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 18 21:53:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:53:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems References: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BF81FCE.9F4EAF4A@earthlink.net> Thanks for all the advice, guys. I'll try cleaning the pinch rollers first and if that doesn't work, I'll resort to the sand paper technique. Does anyone know where I can find MEK in small quantities? Thanks, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 18 22:20:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:20:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... References: <3BEA8A7C.FEAB1B04@sunint.co.za> <3BEACD36.D81530F2@earthlink.net> <00d901c16894$3d37cc40$6bee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BF74EA7.571AD324@earthlink.net> <085c01c1700c$b90956c0$0c3442cf@sank1> <3BF794AC.A6C6DD4E@earthlink.net> <3BF7CA89.FA3864A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <089b01c17076$d45e82a0$0c3442cf@sank1> I got nervous about the HP printers when they started looking like Canons, so I guess I was right. My old DJ500 has no such weirdness. Only thing I ever have to do to it in the last five years of daily use is occasionally clean the rollers & grease the head guide rails. The Canon, on the other hand, which is less than a year old, I have to weekly clean out the dust & hair from the print head area that gets carried down from the stupid top-exposed paper feed tray. And the bloody thing won't pick up some kinds of paper if the paper isn't turned around the "right way", even though I can't detect a difference in smoothness between paper sides. Such a piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic, but then again perhaps not... > > I have two HP printers (DJ870 and DJ890) that require > cleaning of the rubber rollers every few months. In the > absence of MEK, I once used (you guessed it:) tape head > cleaner. Worked very well... > > In all, the HP printers have been semi troublesome. The > latest quirk started to cause 'Carriage cannot move' > error messages. I discovered that, once the warranty is > over, HP prefers that one buy a new printer, rather then > repair. > > Turned out the carriage motor was almost seized. Taking > the mechanism apart was a hassle ( a good hour job for > something that should take 5 minutes), but once cleaned > and lubricated, it started to work again. > > Another issue has to do with their driver. Any print job > that goes awry is followed by 'loss of communication > with printer' and required reboot. > > In all, my next printer will not be an HP. > > -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Stephen, > > > > My five year old Office Jet 1150C won't even accept paper when the tray is full. Any > > idea where I can find MEK in small quantities? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I use MEK to clean the rollers periodically on my HP deskjet500, my old > > > workhorse. Same as I use on pinch rollers & lots of other things. I clean > > > the rollers once the dj500 fails to pick up the paper on the last 2 or 3 > > > sheets. I've come to accept as normal that it won't always pick up the very > > > last sheet in the bin. These old dj500's are the only printers I've ever > > > had that are actually reliable. Had nothing but bad luck with anything > > > else. Like this supposedly superior Canon color printer I have at home. > > > What the hell were they thinking having the sheet feeder sticking up in the > > > back, with the grabbing-side of the paper & the rollers exposed to dust & > > > pet hair raining down on them? Morons! > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 18 22:21:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:21:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems References: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> <3BF81FCE.9F4EAF4A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <08a301c17076$f648c2e0$0c3442cf@sank1> The smallest can of MEK I've bought is a quart. I think it came from Homebase. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Printer problems > > Thanks for all the advice, guys. I'll try cleaning the pinch rollers first and if that > doesn't work, I'll resort to the sand paper technique. > > Does anyone know where I can find MEK in small quantities? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 00:18:46 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:18:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? References: <000301c16fd2$147f8000$4aec2c41@compaq> <001401c16fe4$377f49c0$39f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BF841D6.FA807096@yahoo.com> Thanks guys I think I'll stay home for this one. One kid's film a year (Shrek) is enough for me. I loved the exploding bird though! See Ya Javier Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] OT: Harry Potter? > > > No. It deals with the dark side of the supernatural. In other words, > you're > > just as better off going to the library and getting a book on witchcrtaft. > > Kids of course find this exciting. Being young and not educated in the > Holy > > Bible, they don't just know what they're doing. I have watched Pastor John > > Hagee weeks ago on his topic of Harry Potter. > > Well it is a shame that you didn't actually *read* the books instead of > listening to someone who condems with one hand and asks for money with the > other. > In actual fact the main character of the book is in a battle *against* evil. > its a fun > kids story just like cinderella but you wouldn't know that unless you *read* > the book. > I do feel sorry for your children missing out on all the fun. > Respectfully > Warren > Ps for Javier et al > Wizards and Hogwarts! Muggles and mudbloods! Quidditch and broomsticks! None > of those things mean anything to Harry Potter, a small, skinny, bespectacled > boy with an unusual lightning-bolt shaped scar on his forehead-until his > eleventh birthday. That's when he starts receiving letters inviting him to > Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Harry learns that his parents > did not die in a car crash but were killed by Voldemort, the Lord of > Darkness, and that he's famous in the world of wizardry. So Harry leaves the > home of his Aunt Petunia, Uncle Vernon, and their hateful son Dudley, who > are mere muggles (humans without one drop of magic in them), and embarks on > a new life. And the changes continue as Harry spends year after year at > Hogwarts, a place where he not only learns about being a wizard, but also > about friendship and loyalty and fear and courage, and about his own past > and future, his family, and his destiny. > > Harry's first four years at Hogwarts are chronicled in the first four Harry > Potter books. In each of those stories, amidst fun and laughter, pranks and > pitfalls, mystery and suspense, Harry continues his battle against the evil > Lord Voldemort. The books have become enormously popular for their > captivating mixture of magical pranks and misadventures, eccentric > characters (such as Moaning Myrtle who haunts the girls' bathroom, and > Nearly Headless Nick who was not quite completely beheaded, and the Veela > who bewitch those around them), courageous heroes and sneering, scheming > villains, brilliantly original ideas, and breathtaking excitement - > rollicking good reads that appeal to readers of all ages. > > http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/guides/index.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 19 02:55:29 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:55:29 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B14@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi everyone. I have scanned the pages of my ZX-9 manual. I don't think I can place the info into a pdf file. What format would you prefer, I'm open for suggestions. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 6:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed Hi Thomas, Could you please add salim at danareksa.com to your zx9 distrib. list ? I can accept many megabytes in that address. Additional zx7 pdf from Norman won't hurt. :-) Thanks much, Salim SM > > > > > > > > > >
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Hi Thomas, tif or gif should be fine with me. Thanks again, Salim SM > Hi everyone. > > I have scanned the pages of my ZX-9 manual. I don't think I can place the info > into a pdf file. What format would you prefer, I'm open for suggestions. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 6:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed > > > > Hi Thomas, > > Could you please add salim at danareksa.com to your zx9 distrib. list ? I can > accept many megabytes in that address. Additional zx7 pdf from Norman won't > hurt. :-) > > Thanks much, > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === > ========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Nov 19 06:10:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:10:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Printer problems References: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> <3BF81FCE.9F4EAF4A@earthlink.net> <08a301c17076$f648c2e0$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BF89433.90466747@earthlink.net> Thanks Stephen. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > The smallest can of MEK I've bought is a quart. I think it came from > Homebase. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Nov 19 19:44:41 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:44:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B14@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c1712a$41d49320$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Also for me is tiffor giff good. I can make a pdf of it Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed > Hi everyone. > > I have scanned the pages of my ZX-9 manual. I don't think I can place the info into a pdf file. What format would you prefer, I'm open for suggestions. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 6:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Manual Needed > > > > Hi Thomas, > > Could you please add salim at danareksa.com to your zx9 distrib. list ? I can > accept many megabytes in that address. Additional zx7 pdf from Norman won't > hurt. :-) > > Thanks much, > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Mon Nov 19 22:58:29 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:58:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) McIntosh MR-78 with Modafferi Modifications References: <000501c16ecc$76c9b980$939e193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BF98085.6D279@snip.net> With alll the posts on McIntosh Tuners on NakTalk, I thought everyone would appreciate a dialogue I had with the owner of Modafferi modified MR-78 (Modafferi was the original designer of the MR-78). I had this dialogue while considering buying his MR-78 on eBay, but eventually concluded it was too expensive and got a Nakamichi ST-7. HOwever I found his insights fascinating and hope my fellow NakTalkers will also enjoy them: JMS wrote 3/10/2000: What is the Modafferi modification of which you speak? My experience has been the that the MR78 has phenomenal specs but the MR71 simply sounds better--more musical and involving. Do the modifications go towards addressing this or towards improving the specs? Len replied 3/10/2000: Thanks for the reply. Modafferi was the original designer for the MR 78. When he built the tuner it was built to be a very fine performer, but some things were not according to his original design because of cost and manufacturing considerations. After leaving McIntosh he began to offer "modifications" to the original design to overcome these weaknesses. His mods do several things. They make the lower bass incredibly "alive", with a detail that I've not heard on other tuners. They also make the entire presentation more "balanced" with a smoother top end and richer midrange. Live broadcasts of opera, or classical music, are amazingly "real". At the same time the mods somewhat improved reception, and greatly reduce the risk of signal overload. I live in Charlotte, NC. If I tune to 88.7 I pick up a station 75 air miles away. If I rotate the antenna I pick up 88.5 and 88.9, both weaker stations 40 and 80 miles away. I owned the MR 71 for many years and couldn't pull in these stations under identical conditions. I like the sound of tubes. But to be frank, the MR 78 is more accurate and has far better reception and tuning ability. The MR 71 sounds "warm", but after very close listening over many years, I realized that the tubes were providing a pleasant, but definitely inaccurate, reproduction. The supposed "alive, warm" sound, was often the tubes making the lower midrange and upper bass bloated and artificially emphasized. The effect is nice, but not accurate. It is especially noticeable on vocals, both sung and spoken. Listen to an NPR broadcast on the MR 71 and then switch to the 78. On the 71 people speaking almost sounds like an echo chamber, on the 78 it sounds like people talking. Don't get me wrong the 71 is a classic tuner, and I'd buy another. But if you want accurate reproduction in my opinion the 78 walks all over the 71. There are a lot of tuners on the market, if you decide that a MR 78 is what you would like, I think you'll find that mine is priced better than almost all the competition, especially with the wood case and hand written modification documents. Condition on a 20+ year old tuner is always subjective, but there is no pitting, bubbling or other problems with the tuner. Whether you buy mine or not, I think you'll like the 78. It is a very good performer, and I personally believe that the mods make a very good tuner very much better. Good luck, let me know if I can help you in your decision. JMS wrote 3/10/2000: Len, Thank you for your response. It was responsive to, and addressed my concerns. I currently have a run-of-the-mill Onkyo tuner which was fine while I was in the city, and after I moved to the suburbs, while I could take FM off the cable. But now that I'm in the suburbs and in a valley and also now that the cable co. has removed the FM signal from their lines, I need a better tuner. In addition to improving my antenna, I thought that rather than buy one of the currently high rated tuners, it made sense to try to find a classic like the McIntosh 71, 78 or 80 that's still working well. Yours certainly seems to meet my particulars. And by your reply you seem to mirror my criteria for serious listening. Have you had any problems with it? Is it still working well? If so, why are you selling it and what are you getting to replace it? Len replied 3/10/2000: Glad my response was helpful. I hope this one is as well. I haven't had any problems with the tuner, frankly I buy Mc Intosh products because of their high quality sonic sound, but also because of their build quality. I'm now an "empty nester", and I'm moving to a smaller home. One tradeoff I've made is that in the new house I'll be moving to a "home theatre" setup. I know this is heresy, but after 30 years with the finest wife a man can have, I finally realized that she doesn't like stereo!! She would rather relax with a good movie, usually an "oldie", than listen to a radio program. My preference to at least be in the same room as she is in, has created such a drastic change in my relaxing time that I've sold my entire stereo system. Can't say I'm wild about the "brave new world" I will soon inhabit, but I'll give it a try. Since you are clearly very interested I'd like to address the tuner in more detail. I have owned or listened to some very high quality tuners in my time, including everything from the old Harmon Kardon dial tuner (not very good reception, but pretty good sound), up to and including the Sequerra tuners. Of all of these I prefer a tuner that does some very simple things: pulls in the stations I need to hear, and provides a clear, undistorted reproduction of the original signal. In that regard I reluctantly moved from tubes to solid state (MR 67, MR 71, Marantz 10B). While these classics truly are wonderful, they each had significant flaws, either in sonic quality or signal reception. The Meridian tuner line is very good, but looks about as exciting as a breadbasket. The Sequerra cost as much as a semester of college tuition, and although very good, didn't sound significantly better than several other models. To me the McIntosh is my best choice. Each of their tuners are well made, look very attractive (at least to me) in a "classic" kind of way, and hold resale value very well. Of these tuners my favorite is the 78. The 80 is the most sensitive tuner in their line, but because it is designed to maximize signal capture, it sounds a bit sterile to me. I also don't particularly like its looks (digital display), but it is a fine performer. The 78 doesn't pull in as many stations as the 80, but the drop-off is not very significant. The Modafferi mod makes the sound far better than the 80, and several notches above the stock 78. Most FM tuners decode by using a notched filter, or multi-step process. It works well with a normal signal, but overloads badly if the signal is too strong. That is the primary reason for "hard, harsh" sounding FM tuners. The MR 78 is the only tuner I know of that uses a specially designed signal decoder. It works very differently from all other tuners, and that is why the sound is so good. It also cannot be overloaded regardless of the signal. That would allow you to use an indoor powered antenna if necessary without any sonic drop-off. Try that with any other tuner and the sound will drive you out of the room. The decoder section is the area where many of the mods are located. The difference in very significant. I highly recommend an outdoor antenna, with rotor if possible. The tuner is good enough to warrant the added expense, and your ears will thank you. Several good brands are out there including Finco FM4, Magnum Dynalab and others. I've used more modern tuners including Magnum Dynalab and others, and despite the rave reviews from Stereophile I find these more modern tuners to be "sterile" and bland. It seems to me as if they were optimizing to capture weak signals (to win the "I get more stations that you do" war), but at the expense of sound quality. I strongly favor the McIntosh tuners, but that is my bias and may not be yours. My particular tuner was recently purchased from a stereo fanatic who had it in a collection of classic tube tuners (he had a mint MR 71 and a Marantz 10B). He bought the MR 78 to get reception of distant stations, had it modified by Modafferi and used it infrequently over than many years he owned it. He is a doctor and as he put it: "I can afford the best, and that's what I buy." He claims that he auditioned several 78s before buying this one. He decided to sell it because he preferred the tube sound. I bought it from him on EBAY, and paid $1,350 for it. Since I bought it, it has performed flawlessly. The only problem with it is that the face, behind the outer glass, is a bit dusty. I spoke to him about it extensively, and he told me that it is not a serious problem, but caused by the gasket that surrounds the glass moving slightly due to age. I have found no damage at all on the unit, and I checked it over like a mother hen. To professionally disassemble the tuner face, have it cleaned and reassembled will cost under $100; or as the local expert said: "Do it yourself, it isn't hard just tedious." If it bothers you that much, at if I kept it it would bother me, it is probably a good investment. I am telling you this so that you know as much about the tuner as I can possibly let you know. I am exaggerating the dust issue, but I would rather "scare you off" than to deliver something to you that you find to be less than you expected. The dust is not a problem, nor does it affect the tuner in any way. It is only visible at very close range. The tuner itself is almost perfect cosmetically! There are no marks on the chassis, only a very small mark on the outer case top (probably caused by sliding it into the case), and the front glass is perfect. All the lights work (the face has dual level illumination), the controls operate flawlessly and the tuner is immaculate. The case is in the same mint condition with only a very slight mark on the lower left portion near the panloc. All of Modafferi's hand written notes about the mod are included (he tackily wrote on the back of what looks to be scrap paper for some of it - typical genius!). The original manual and sales brochure are also included. The Orion Blue Book (kind of the bible of used gear prices) lists the tuner at an average retail price of $1,050 (incidentally that is the highest resale value of any McIntosh tuner - including the MR 71 tube unit), and the case at $100-$150. That doesn't add any value for the Modaferri mod, or the near mint condition of the unit, or the original manual, notes and sales brochures (some nuts pay over $150 for these brochures, why?). I've seen Modaferri mods selling for over $1,700 without the case. Seems a bit steep for me, but these tuners are in high demand and the supply continues to decrease. My reserve price on the bidding is $1,200. I am willing to take the loss because I'm moving and want to get it sold. Please check my EBAY feedback. I am not a heavy trader, but I do occasionally buy and sell some odds and ends. You now know as much about this tuner as I do; I hope it helps. There is more information about McIntosh tuners, and other products, on the Roger Russell website. www.sundial.net/~rogerr/tuners.htm#mr78 Check it out for detailed specs, and some really good information. I am willing to end the auction early, but I don't know if there is a financial or other penalty from EBAY. If you are still interested, we can pursue it further. The main thing is for you to feel comfortable that this tuner will meet your needs, and that you are comfortable dealing with me. Write back if you have any more questions, and thanks. Len PS: You may get tired reading this (Gone with the Wind is about the same length), but my fingers are killing me!! ******************* Well I offered Len $1,000 for it. That was as high as I felt I could afford to go at the time. Of course it wasn't enough, and as I said, I got the Nakamchhi ST-7 instead. Re-reading all of this makes me wish I could have gone a little higher. I hope you, my fellow NakTalkers, have enjoyed this. Best regards, John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Nov 20 00:17:04 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:17:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) McIntosh MR-78 with Modafferi Modifications References: <000501c16ecc$76c9b980$939e193e@a4s1s2> <3BF98085.6D279@snip.net> Message-ID: <3BF992F0.A3A23174@earthlink.net> Thanks for the interesting read, John. Jim Volpatti "John M. Smokevitch" wrote: > With alll the posts on McIntosh Tuners on NakTalk, I thought everyone > would appreciate > a dialogue I had with the owner of Modafferi modified MR-78 (Modafferi > was the > original designer of the MR-78). I had this dialogue while considering > buying his > MR-78 on eBay, but eventually concluded it was too expensive and got a > Nakamichi ST-7. > HOwever I found his insights fascinating and hope my fellow NakTalkers > will also enjoy > them: > > JMS wrote 3/10/2000: > What is the Modafferi modification of which you speak? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Nov 20 00:52:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:52:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) McIntosh MR-78 with Modafferi Modifications In-Reply-To: <3BF992F0.A3A23174@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000b01c17155$36d879c0$b09a86d9@a4s1s2> Here! Here! Excellent. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 19 November 2001 11:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) McIntosh MR-78 with Modafferi Modifications Thanks for the interesting read, John. Jim Volpatti "John M. Smokevitch" wrote: > With alll the posts on McIntosh Tuners on NakTalk, I thought everyone > would appreciate > a dialogue I had with the owner of Modafferi modified MR-78 (Modafferi > was the > original designer of the MR-78). I had this dialogue while considering > buying his > MR-78 on eBay, but eventually concluded it was too expensive and got a > Nakamichi ST-7. > HOwever I found his insights fascinating and hope my fellow NakTalkers > will also enjoy > them: > > JMS wrote 3/10/2000: > What is the Modafferi modification of which you speak? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Nov 20 04:09:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:09:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) McIntosh MR-78 with Modafferi Modifications Message-ID: Thank you for the wonderful read! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 20 17:40:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:40:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon from Indo Message-ID: <000701c171e2$0860e540$75289bca@smarzuki> Winner would pay helluva lot of s&h ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1299147472 Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 20 22:08:15 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:08:15 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon from Indo Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B22@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Is the price listed in US dollars? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2001 3:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon from Indo Winner would pay helluva lot of s&h ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1299147472 Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 21 02:04:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:04:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon from Indo References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B22@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001701c17228$7dc97ea0$11299bca@smarzuki> I guess so ! If reserve is not met I can contact the seller and probably get better price for you in Rupiah. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon from Indo > Is the price listed in US dollars? > > Tom. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Nov 21 07:27:24 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:27:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II References: <00c601c16b49$f8d55640$483587d9@a4s1s2> <3BF017B1.EE603F80@pacbell.net> <01df01c16bae$cd759040$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001501c17255$9598f2e0$ea8ee2c3@a9u3z8> I've been keeping my eyes open for a TD700 or 500, but I despair of finding one in good or indeed any condition. What are the TD-35 and 45 like? The TD1000 seems not to have made it to the UK, at least not officially. On another matter, I have an opportunity to get a 680 (not ZX version) for around $300. It had a major service in 1995 and some other items attended to in 1998, both times by Bowers and Wilkins (the seller has the invoices). It's been little used since (the vendor uses minidisc now in his car, which probably loses moe musical info than the Nak does at its slow speed). What are the pitfalls? Thanks, Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > Likely to be not too hard to fix. Gotta wonder about how one gets the "head > serviced". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Nov 21 09:00:50 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II Message-ID: Hi Forrest, I can't think of any reason not to get a member of the 680 family. They are built like trucks and sound wonderful. And you're totally right, even at half speed I understand they are flat to 17khz, so that dispenses with the need for minidisc. In any case, minidisc discards high frequency data in quite a severe way, based on a sliding scale of how dense the theoretically audible bitstream is. A truly sexy piece of supercrud. The 680s sound very special to my mind. I think the 680 is without Dolby C, if that is important....... Cheers, Marc >>> thsinclair at localdial.com 11/21/01 08:27AM >>> I've been keeping my eyes open for a TD700 or 500, but I despair of finding one in good or indeed any condition. What are the TD-35 and 45 like? The TD1000 seems not to have made it to the UK, at least not officially. On another matter, I have an opportunity to get a 680 (not ZX version) for around $300. It had a major service in 1995 and some other items attended to in 1998, both times by Bowers and Wilkins (the seller has the invoices). It's been little used since (the vendor uses minidisc now in his car, which probably loses moe musical info than the Nak does at its slow speed). What are the pitfalls? Thanks, Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > Likely to be not too hard to fix. Gotta wonder about how one gets the "head > serviced". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak td1200 mark II > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this item up for auction? > > > > Thank you > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296017096 > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 03:00:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:00:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nak combo for sale if anyone is interested... Message-ID: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/IMG_0026.asp -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 22 04:54:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:54:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of Thanksgivings, even those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has helped us put our lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger than life now seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth of experience that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in celebration for all that we are thankful) Be well, my friends! = ) Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 05:01:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:01:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... Message-ID: <13d.4e41d4c.292dd2b1@aol.com> In a message dated 11/21/2001 9:56:15 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of Thanksgivings, even those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has helped us put our lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger than life now seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth of experience that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in celebration for all that we are thankful) Be well, my friends! = ) Jim Volpatti >> Well said Jim, and thank you for the kind words. I also wish all of my Nak buddies a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving weekend. And for my buddies overseas, have a great weekend too! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 22 05:06:19 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:06:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B41@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Here Here!! All the best my American Nak buddies!! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2001 3:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... In a message dated 11/21/2001 9:56:15 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of Thanksgivings, even those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has helped us put our lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger than life now seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth of experience that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in celebration for all that we are thankful) Be well, my friends! = ) Jim Volpatti >> Well said Jim, and thank you for the kind words. I also wish all of my Nak buddies a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving weekend. And for my buddies overseas, have a great weekend too! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 22 08:09:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:09:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <021001c17324$974ce360$403442cf@sank1> We vegetarians would like to express that we will not be murdering any turkeys on this holiday. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of Thanksgivings, even > those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has helped us put our > lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger than life now > seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! > > I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth of experience > that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. > > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in > celebration for all that we are thankful) > > Be well, my friends! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 22 08:24:19 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:24:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> <021001c17324$974ce360$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BFCA823.5591738D@earthlink.net> Hmmm, soy turkey, perhaps? = ^) Well, I won't be murdering any turkeys either, but I might eat some. *gobble gobble* OK, I'll behave now. Have a good one, Stephen! Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > We vegetarians would like to express that we will not be murdering any > turkeys on this holiday. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Thu Nov 22 08:33:15 2001 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:33:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Turkey Message-ID: <200111220730.fAM7UVg46732@opium.cwnet.com> I Second that emotion! Have great celebrations! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Nov 22 09:36:16 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:36:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <000b01c1702c$9884da80$e76287d9@a4s1s2> <3BF81FCE.9F4EAF4A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003d01c17330$c0ad6ca0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi I'm new to this list and hope I sending this mail correctly! Can anyone help me with a Nak CR7a problem? During tapecalibration of my fine 17 years old machine it froze - light is still on showing azimuth calibration but it "refuses" to reset. I think it might be a problem with the battery for the built-in computer which is said to last 7 years in the manual. How do I find/replace this battery? Thanks Ole Thofte ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Nov 22 09:27:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:57:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a Message-ID: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> Ole Thofte The battery in CR7 is for keeping the calibration parameters in memory but you are finding the calibration process itself is not completing. So x\check whether azimuth motor is moving or whether calibration on another ape( fresh unused tape ) is fine . Otherwise combination of factors can be a reason like head misalignment/ bias osc problem etc. Needs Nak technician with Cr7 knowledge! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a >Hi I'm new to this list and hope I sending this mail correctly! >Can anyone help me with a Nak CR7a problem? During tapecalibration of my >fine 17 years old machine it froze - light is still on showing azimuth >calibration but it "refuses" to reset. I think it might be a problem with >the battery for the built-in computer which is said to last 7 years in the >manual. How do I find/replace this battery? > >Thanks >Ole Thofte > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Nov 22 11:06:58 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits J. Raven) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:06:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000a01c1733d$6c0c4fb0$9e3cbbd4@Colossus2001> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in > celebration for all that we are thankful) Sorry, I don't eat dead animal bodies. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Nov 22 11:14:37 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:14:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157EAD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Trust me, they are a lot easier eating dead. -----Original Message----- From: Maurits J. Raven [mailto:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in > celebration for all that we are thankful) Sorry, I don't eat dead animal bodies. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 13:37:11 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:37:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157EAD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <006c01c17357$95303cc0$17299bca@smarzuki> LOL !!! Sometimes you guys are too much. =) So ! in the spirit of thanksgiving day ... I'd also like to thank nak list for a wonderful year, especially Wouter (where's he ?), Stephen, Norman and Jeff for indirectly turning me into a nakmaniak. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tellez, Raul CONT" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > Trust me, they are a lot easier eating dead. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maurits J. Raven [mailto:m.raven at chello.nl] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Nov 22 14:31:29 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:31:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tito and Tarantula Message-ID: <3BFCFE31.8BC0AE8C@sunint.co.za> Hi to anyone on the 'tree......(couldn't get a resonse on Naktree, so am trying naktalk.....) Bluesman, perhaps you can assist....on the movie soundrack album "Dusk till Dawn", there are a couple of tracks by a band called Tito and Tarantula. Great style and rythym - love it. One particular track of theirs is where Latino megababe Salma Hayek does that sultry dance with the python or boa constrictor around her neck. Lucky 'ol serpent!! I can't find any of their material here in SA - but am certain that in the USA/Central America it would be easier. Any help would be appreciated, and would love to do a trade, in a any case! And happy Thanksgiving to all our American friends on Naktalk including Stepen who will be doing the "virtual" turkey thing!! Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 22 17:30:30 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:30:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004001c17373$008bf4d0$63756acf@johnrotten> And a Happy Thanksgiving to all Naktalk members from Delaware, USA. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of Thanksgivings, even > those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has helped us put our > lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger than life now > seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! > > I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth of experience > that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. > > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in > celebration for all that we are thankful) > > Be well, my friends! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 22 17:33:12 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:33:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> <021001c17324$974ce360$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005901c17373$61744e50$63756acf@johnrotten> Broccoli has feelings too! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... > We vegetarians would like to express that we will not be murdering any > turkeys on this holiday. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > > > > I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of > Thanksgivings, even > > those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has > helped us put our > > lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger > than life now > > seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! > > > > I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth > of experience > > that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. > > > > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each > November in > > celebration for all that we are thankful) > > > > Be well, my friends! = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 22 18:11:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:11:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> <000a01c1733d$6c0c4fb0$9e3cbbd4@Colossus2001> Message-ID: <3BFD31B2.A2351218@concentric.net> "Maurits J. Raven" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous > > to the United States, traditionally prepared as the > > main course on the third Thursday of each November in > > celebration for all that we are thankful) > > Sorry, I don't eat dead animal bodies. Depends on where they come from. My neighbor is a turkey and no one would eat *him*, either. Have a nice Thanksgiving day, vegetarian or not, -- Ron > > Maurits > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Nov 22 19:08:56 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:08:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> To Kannan S. Thanks for fast answer. Seems I've focused on the wrong problem. There's no motor movement present at all let alone the alignment motor. Could it be a blown fuse? How to locate the one: the whole electronic thing is very compact when you lift off the lid. ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > Ole Thofte > > The battery in CR7 is for keeping the calibration parameters in memory but > you are finding the calibration process itself is not completing. So x\check > whether azimuth motor is moving or whether calibration on another > ape( fresh unused tape ) is fine . Otherwise combination of factors can be a > reason like head misalignment/ bias osc problem etc. > Needs Nak technician with Cr7 knowledge! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: ole thofte > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > >Hi I'm new to this list and hope I sending this mail correctly! > >Can anyone help me with a Nak CR7a problem? During tapecalibration of my > >fine 17 years old machine it froze - light is still on showing azimuth > >calibration but it "refuses" to reset. I think it might be a problem with > >the battery for the built-in computer which is said to last 7 years in the > >manual. How do I find/replace this battery? > > > >Thanks > >Ole Thofte > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 22 19:47:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:47:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European decks) on that board. -- Ron ole thofte wrote: > > To Kannan S. > Thanks for fast answer. Seems I've focused on the wrong problem. There's no > motor movement present at all let alone the alignment motor. Could it be a > blown fuse? How to locate the one: the whole electronic thing is very > compact when you lift off the lid. > ole thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > Ole Thofte > > > > The battery in CR7 is for keeping the calibration parameters in memory but > > you are finding the calibration process itself is not completing. So > x\check > > whether azimuth motor is moving or whether calibration on another > > ape( fresh unused tape ) is fine . Otherwise combination of factors can be > a > > reason like head misalignment/ bias osc problem etc. > > Needs Nak technician with Cr7 knowledge! > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ole thofte > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > > >Hi I'm new to this list and hope I sending this mail correctly! > > >Can anyone help me with a Nak CR7a problem? During tapecalibration of my > > >fine 17 years old machine it froze - light is still on showing azimuth > > >calibration but it "refuses" to reset. I think it might be a problem with > > >the battery for the built-in computer which is said to last 7 years in > the > > >manual. How do I find/replace this battery? > > > > > >Thanks > > >Ole Thofte > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 22 20:10:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:10:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... In-Reply-To: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157EAD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <000101c17389$5e530f20$8b4987d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tellez, Raul CONT Sent: 22 November 2001 10:15 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... Trust me, they are a lot easier eating dead. Yeah, I know what you mean, buddy - they don't half jump about when you stick your teeth in their legs if you don't kill 'em first! ;o) Gra' -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 22 20:10:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:10:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... In-Reply-To: <021001c17324$974ce360$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c17389$5d1d4e40$8b4987d9@a4s1s2> Thank you! A Turkey -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 22 November 2001 07:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... We vegetarians would like to express that we will not be murdering any turkeys on this holiday. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Nov 22 20:23:14 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:23:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001901c1738b$21b457c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> To Ron Thanks again - I appreciate this help. F401 and F402 both gone(1.25A). In addition F403 0.5A also gone. Wonder what else is gone? Happened, probably, when I (stupid) tried to stop tapecalibration by rewinding. Ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which > is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses > F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European > decks) on that board. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 21:00:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:00:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/2001 7:12:24 AM Central Standard Time, nakmaniak at yahoo.com writes: << So ! in the spirit of thanksgiving day ... I'd also like to thank nak list for a wonderful year, especially Wouter (where's he ?), Stephen, Norman and Jeff for indirectly turning me into a nakmaniak. Salim SM >> Here, here, I second that as well. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 22 21:03:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:03:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tito and Tarantula Message-ID: <94.1d6569ca.292eb409@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/2001 7:33:54 AM Central Standard Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << I can't find any of their material here in SA - but am certain that in the USA/Central America it would be easier. Any help would be appreciated, and would love to do a trade, in a any case! And happy Thanksgiving to all our American friends on Naktalk including Stepen who will be doing the "virtual" turkey thing!! Cheers, Marc >> Hi Marc, Would a tape work instead of a CD copy? Please contact me offline from "Naktalkers" as I've seen that CD somewhere in my travels and will be happy to look for you. -Sam PS Yes, Salma Hayek is the bomb and I'm headed to Mexico to marry one of her sisters! (LOL) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Thu Nov 22 00:04:44 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:04:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... References: Message-ID: <000c01c172e0$e8e8dba0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hello Salim, The last time i heard from Wouter he buy himself a new home, so i think that he is very busy for some long period (?). It's nice to share this beautifull hobby with you all folks Greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > In a message dated 11/22/2001 7:12:24 AM Central Standard Time, > nakmaniak at yahoo.com writes: > > << So ! in the spirit of thanksgiving day ... I'd also like to thank nak list > for a wonderful year, especially Wouter (where's he ?), Stephen, Norman and > Jeff for indirectly turning me into a nakmaniak. > > Salim SM >> > > > Here, here, I second that as well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 23 00:45:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:45:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> <001901c1738b$21b457c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3BFD8E2B.CD46749@concentric.net> F403 is the AC fuse for the +5.6V supply. I recommend that you replace all blown fuses with exact value. If you have the means to test transistors, it may be a good idea to measure Q402 (2SD1589), Q403 and Q404 (both 2SC945), Q406 (2SB1094), Q407 and Q408 (both 2SA733). If any of these are shorted, don't bother replacing F401 and F402 -- the new ones will blow, too. Also, if Q409 (2SD1589) or Q410 (2SC945) are shorted, it makes no sense to replace F403. Good luck, -- Ron ole thofte wrote: > > To Ron > Thanks again - I appreciate this help. F401 and F402 both gone(1.25A). In > addition F403 0.5A also gone. Wonder what else is gone? Happened, probably, > when I (stupid) tried to stop tapecalibration by rewinding. > Ole thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which > > is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses > > F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European > > decks) on that board. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 23 03:53:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:53:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - The Worlds Largest and Heavist Speaker? Message-ID: <5b.1f219ca3.292f1416@aol.com> You must be kidding me... http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/Image1(1).asp -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 23 04:59:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:59:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> <001901c1738b$21b457c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <027501c173d3$2fcf6820$403442cf@sank1> It seems to me that you have had a power surge. It is extremely abnormal any fuse in a CR-7, or any Nak deck, to blow. You can trust that it is no fault of your own. If any of the new fuses re-blow, then the deck needs professional attention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > To Ron > Thanks again - I appreciate this help. F401 and F402 both gone(1.25A). In > addition F403 0.5A also gone. Wonder what else is gone? Happened, probably, > when I (stupid) tried to stop tapecalibration by rewinding. > Ole thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > > Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which > > is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses > > F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European > > decks) on that board. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 23 05:13:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:13:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> <021001c17324$974ce360$403442cf@sank1> <005901c17373$61744e50$63756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <028f01c173d5$2e9f3aa0$403442cf@sank1> You have got to get Tool's "Undertow" CD & listen to track 69. Part of it is a narrative that goes something like this: These are the cries of the carrots. For tomorrow is harvest day, and to them, it is a holocaust. Let the rabbits wear glasses! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... Broccoli has feelings too! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk](Turkey disclaimer) Much to be thankful for... > We vegetarians would like to express that we will not be murdering any > turkeys on this holiday. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... > > > > I just wanted to take a moment to wish all of you the happiest of > Thanksgivings, even > > those of you who do not live in the United States. September 11th has > helped us put our > > lives into perspective and all those little irritants that loomed larger > than life now > > seem so insignificant. We all have much for which to be thankful! > > > > I have truly enjoyed this news group and appreciate the depth and breadth > of experience > > that you all contribute to our little corner of the World Wide Web. > > > > Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, > > traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each > November in > > celebration for all that we are thankful) > > > > Be well, my friends! = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Fri Nov 23 08:28:23 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:28:23 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Much to be thankful for... In-Reply-To: <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> References: <27.1e6bda0f.292db629@aol.com> <3BFC76DC.FB5B80DD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3bfefa93.49370352@mail.voicenet.com> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:54:05 -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: >Happy Turkey Day! (turkey is a wild bird, indigenous to the United States, >traditionally prepared as the main course on the third Thursday of each November in >celebration for all that we are thankful) It's the 4th Thursday in November each year, just for the record, which is no earlier than the 22nd, and no later than the 28th of the month. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 23 11:54:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:54:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - The Worlds Largest and Heavist Speaker? References: <5b.1f219ca3.292f1416@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BFE2AC8.3E4C85A3@earthlink.net> Obviously, for the guy with "small penis syndrome" or anyone else who is insecure with his masculinity.... = ^ ) Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > You must be kidding me... > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/Image1(1).asp > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 23 18:09:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:09:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... Message-ID: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 23 18:12:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:12:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... Message-ID: <4b.14a70fdb.292fdd77@aol.com> http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/kharmagrandenigma.asp -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 23 18:34:22 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:34:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - The Worlds Largest and Heavist Speaker? In-Reply-To: <3BFE2AC8.3E4C85A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c17445$16733920$cba987d9@a4s1s2> You talking about me again, Jim?! @II@ -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 23 November 2001 10:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - The Worlds Largest and Heavist Speaker? Obviously, for the guy with "small penis syndrome" or anyone else who is insecure with his masculinity.... = ^ ) Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > You must be kidding me... > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/Image1(1).asp > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 23 19:02:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:02:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c17449$0170f860$4a289bca@smarzuki> Naah ... that's dragon oil ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 23 19:37:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:37:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BFE9783.97CA78D8@earthlink.net> I'm heard $150 cable make not only a difference, but a huge improvement in a system but I can't that I ever see myself spending more than say, $2000 on speaker cable. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Fri Nov 23 20:02:24 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:02:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFE9783.97CA78D8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BFE9D40.86EB346C@snip.net> I've upgraded speaker cable and heard a difference, but this one is ridiculous and for my speakers, floorstanding but where the binding posts are 38" off the floor, and which are biamped and triwired, I shudder to even imagine what the cost would be. Not that I'd ever try these cables. I also wonder, if at these prices, the perceived differences are psycho-acoustic. I.e., because they cost so much, they must be better. Please note in the so-called review, the reviewer said they totally blew him away immediately after putting them into his system. Yeah!! I think that even if they are better, they are going to need some breaking in and settling time. But to this reviewer, they cost so much so they must immediately be better. Humph! Opinions? Best regards, John Jim Volpatti wrote: > I'm heard $150 cable make not only a difference, but a huge improvement in a system but > I can't that I ever see myself spending more than say, $2000 on speaker cable. > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/kharmagrandenigma.asp > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 24 00:47:44 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:47:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... References: <4b.14a70fdb.292fdd77@aol.com> <037f01c1745e$39f6ada0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007a01c17479$3f7b6200$6feb3fd0@oemcomputer> Don't fret Stephen Just add a few more zero's and come up with the first 100 million dollar speaker system. Just think you'll only have to sell one :-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... > Damn! Just when I was about to introduce a $1M model of my own speakers! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US > Dollars for speakers... > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/kharmagrandenigma.asp > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 00:58:21 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 In-Reply-To: <03c001c16cc2$f2ef2a60$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20011123235821.65758.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, It's been really quite Naktalk the past couple days. I guess a lot of people are taking it easy this Thansgiving holiday. Anyway I have an Off Topic question. Someone I know donated their old stereo system to our church. I'm on the sound crew and most of the pieces are useless to us. Especially an old Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 24 00:54:44 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:54:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... In-Reply-To: <007a01c17479$3f7b6200$6feb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000901c1747a$39adad00$6303893e@a4s1s2> Yeah, probably to one of those "new Russian" Mafia in Brighton Beach - they're the rich guys in town these days, not the Saudi oil barons. ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 23 November 2001 11:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... Don't fret Stephen Just add a few more zero's and come up with the first 100 million dollar speaker system. Just think you'll only have to sell one :-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US Dollars for speakers... > Damn! Just when I was about to introduce a $1M model of my own speakers! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I've been out done, how's 1 Mil US > Dollars for speakers... > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/kharmagrandenigma.asp > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Nov 24 01:39:37 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:39:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 References: <20011123235821.65758.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014101c17480$7f0451f0$a2021fac@brianm> The link below shows a PM-6 that looks very close, but they don't list the SC series. (I learned of this link from Sam.) It appears to be later than their 1970's stuff, maybe early 80's. BTW, it's an integrated amp, not a preamp. http://www.retroaudio.ru/marantz/integ/PM-6.htm Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 > Hi guys, > > It's been really quite Naktalk the past couple days. > I guess a lot of people are taking it easy this > Thansgiving holiday. Anyway I have an Off Topic > question. Someone I know donated their old stereo > system to our church. I'm on the sound crew and most > of the pieces are useless to us. Especially an old > Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 > > I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides > and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this > was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff > or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly > heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) > > SJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Nov 24 01:41:29 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:41:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 In-Reply-To: <20011123235821.65758.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <03c001c16cc2$f2ef2a60$0c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011123193953.01f7d660@mail.verizon.net> Lookee here: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/esotec.html ________________ Marc Stager ============= ...an old Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 > >I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides >and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this >was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff >or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly >heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) > >SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Nov 24 01:44:13 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:44:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 References: <20011123235821.65758.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014b01c17481$23be93e0$a2021fac@brianm> Sorry Scott, I overlooked that you said preamp and found that integrated, me being hasty. Here is a link to your preamp. http://www.retroaudio.ru/marantz/preamp/SC-9.htm Sorry for the confusion! (I should leave this to Sam!!) Unfortunately there is no info on it there, you can try sending an e-mail to to the owner of the Web page. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 > Hi guys, > > It's been really quite Naktalk the past couple days. > I guess a lot of people are taking it easy this > Thansgiving holiday. Anyway I have an Off Topic > question. Someone I know donated their old stereo > system to our church. I'm on the sound crew and most > of the pieces are useless to us. Especially an old > Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 > > I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides > and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this > was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff > or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly > heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) > > SJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 24 01:46:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:46:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 Message-ID: <46.1e33cb20.293047fb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2001 6:00:18 PM Central Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << Thanksgiving holiday. Anyway I have an Off Topic question. Someone I know donated their old stereo system to our church. I'm on the sound crew and most of the pieces are useless to us. Especially an old Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) SJ >> Hi Scott, Here's a link from a website I use called "Retro Audio:" http://www.retroaudio.ru/marantz/preamp/SC-9.htm Be patient as it is slow downloading, but there is a specifications section that may prove useful to you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Anyway, your esotec sc9 is supposedly the high end version of 'extra rare' marantz 3650 preamp, no wonder it get such bid on second day .. probably a ZXL to marantz collectors. :-) http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/esotec.html SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 > Hi guys, > > It's been really quite Naktalk the past couple days. > I guess a lot of people are taking it easy this > Thansgiving holiday. Anyway I have an Off Topic > question. Someone I know donated their old stereo > system to our church. I'm on the sound crew and most > of the pieces are useless to us. Especially an old > Marantz SC-9 preamp, so I'm putting it up on eBay. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1300711767 > > I looked in all my old Audio magazine buyers guides > and couldn't find it listed. I was wondering if this > was made back in the days when Marantz was good stuff > or after they became junk. This preamp is certainly > heavy if nothing else (19 lbs) > > SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 24 02:36:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:36:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 Message-ID: <90.1d630427.29305398@aol.com> In a message dated 11/23/2001 7:18:26 PM Central Standard Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Anyway, your esoteric sc9 is supposedly the high end version of 'extra rare' Marantz 3650 preamp, no wonder it get such bid on second day .. probably a ZXL to Marantz collectors. :-) http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/esotec.html SM >> Hey Salim, That turntable looks interesting... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 03:29:20 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:29:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 In-Reply-To: <000e01c17486$482f8cc0$4a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011124022920.41937.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for the links on the Marantz SC-9. The Classic Audio web site was particularly interesting. I have added to my auction description. Hopefully it will add to it's value and I can buy a couple stage monitors for my church (to replace four that were stolen earlier this year). SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Nov 24 15:51:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:51:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is usually inversely proportional to the customer's intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an 8' pair, deserves what they get. BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Nov 24 21:30:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:30:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... Message-ID: <26.1edaab04.29315d75@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/2001 8:54:58 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is usually inversely proportional to the customer's intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an 8' pair, deserves what they get. >> Hi Ron and All, I guess if you can spend 1 Million US dollars on speakers, then spending $20,000 or more for cables is no big deal. But, I would have to hear that system to believe it. But, someone is purchasing those cables or they wouldn't be available for sale. I don't know, maybe it's just me but as much as I enjoy truly GREAT sound, I'd rather take that money and send someone's child to college. Oh well...if you all are interested in seeing some of this gear you can view this years CES and HE tradeshows: http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/ And check out the "Dream System" picks, being an analog guy I like the so-called "Fabio's" system featured. Enjoy and thank you all for the wonderful posts...keep 'em coming. -Sam the "still working on being a millionaire" man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 24 22:13:09 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:13:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Kings Klothes In-Reply-To: <26.1edaab04.29315d75@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c1752c$d1f093e0$6303893e@a4s1s2> Guys, If anyone wants to know why others would pay such a huge price for such a cable have a read of the attached poem ... it's written in the style of a famous UK poet who strings together words that "sound nice" together, without the resultant "phrasing" actually having any literal meaning. My version does have a literal meaning but it uses the same language style to take a satirical pop at her claims to be a poet! I suggest it's the same with hi fi snake oil or any other snake oil ... (Warning! Certificate X: Anyone not liking vulgar language, don't read it.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 24 November 2001 08:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... In a message dated 11/24/2001 8:54:58 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is usually inversely proportional to the customer's intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an 8' pair, deserves what they get. >> Hi Ron and All, I guess if you can spend 1 Million US dollars on speakers, then spending $20,000 or more for cables is no big deal. But, I would have to hear that system to believe it. But, someone is purchasing those cables or they wouldn't be available for sale. I don't know, maybe it's just me but as much as I enjoy truly GREAT sound, I'd rather take that money and send someone's child to college. Oh well...if you all are interested in seeing some of this gear you can view this years CES and HE tradeshows: http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/ And check out the "Dream System" picks, being an analog guy I like the so-called "Fabio's" system featured. Enjoy and thank you all for the wonderful posts...keep 'em coming. -Sam the "still working on being a millionaire" man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Kings Klothes.doc Type: application/msword Size: 19456 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sun Nov 25 01:04:50 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:04:50 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Kings Klothes References: <001901c1752c$d1f093e0$6303893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0035A2.000004.88681@mycomputer.coqui.net> Very nice Gra' ! Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 24 08:55:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:55:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 References: <90.1d630427.29305398@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c1753e$4097d900$57289bca@smarzuki> Sam ... the whole bunch look insteresting ! (except the deck :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 > > Hey Salim, > > That turntable looks interesting... > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 25 00:29:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:29:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> Ron, We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this list who believe in high end cables. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > -- Ron > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sun Nov 25 01:27:37 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004501c17547$fd3dd420$7609efd1@KevinRogers> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore it, then everyone will leave it alone? Kevin Rogers > Ron, > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this list who > believe in high end cables. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > -- Ron > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sun Nov 25 01:49:04 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:49:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C003FFA.373E55E9@pacbell.net> I knew you would like this 1, Ron. Why would any engineer design a box with circuitry in the middle of the path: and to fix or change what! Well, at least it's carbonfiber--that's got to be important for ensuring that the snakeoil doesn't leak out, right? Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > -- Ron > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Nov 25 01:42:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:42:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT - Marantz SC-9 Message-ID: <4b.14bda922.2931986b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/2001 5:14:40 PM Central Standard Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam ... the whole bunch look interesting ! (except the deck :-) ----- Original Message ----- >> True, the black rack looks inciting, but the deck looks like it may be cheaply made. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Nov 25 03:32:56 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:32:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stupid question Message-ID: <20011124.213340.-370529.1.josephj69@juno.com> I know this will seem like a stupid question, but I never really thought about it before. I just replaced my Adcom preamp/tuner with a new preamp. However, I still want to use the tuner section in the Adcom. My question is, what is the right way to connect the Adcom to the Tuner jacks of the new preamp? Should I run the Adcom "Main Out" jacks to the "Tuner" of the preamp, or do I somehow use the tape loop in the Adcom??? - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 25 05:06:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:06:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: stupid question References: <20011124.213340.-370529.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <043401c17566$904d8d00$403442cf@sank1> Just use the record output jacks, with the record out selector set to "tuner". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: stupid question > I know this will seem like a stupid question, but I never really thought > about it before. > > I just replaced my Adcom preamp/tuner with a new preamp. However, I > still want to use the tuner section in the Adcom. > > My question is, what is the right way to connect the Adcom to the Tuner > jacks of the new preamp? > > Should I run the Adcom "Main Out" jacks to the "Tuner" of the preamp, or > do I somehow use the tape loop in the Adcom??? > > - Joe > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From LOPNOLA at aol.com Sun Nov 25 08:06:34 2001 From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:06:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: stupid question Message-ID: Joe, it can go either way. Connecting it to the new preamp via the Adcom's main out offers the advantage of balancing the output level with other sources in your system, but adds possible (probably inaudible) distortion to the circuit. No real harm done either way. Good luck, Larry Phillips The Electric Ear New Orleans, LA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Nov 25 13:04:12 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:04:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what can we talk about? Message-ID: <001201c175a9$4bd41e80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> I'm new to the list and want to know what is OK to talk about and what isn't. I can see there is a certain amount of teasing/kidding and that's OK with me. My reason for joining can be summarized in the word: recycling. I find it sensible to reuse older hifi-equipment that function well and in many ways is State-of-the-art. At the same time I'm curious about new solutions like digital roomcorrection, digital amps, recordings made on your pc etc. I like to have hifi as a hobby since technical stuff is far from what I do for a living. Also I find it stimulating to try reusing some of the stuff that's normally thrown away---like quality speakerelements with crumbled surrounds that only need a new surround but otherwise is OK. In most cases these are just thrown away and that's a senseless waste. I also find it interesting to try and solve technical problems without "technical knowledge" - by just jumping at it and find a "cheap" way where you might not have expected it. In the mentioned case I've tried making new surrounds using latex-rubber. I have mainly worked with loudspeakers since this probably is less technically demanding.....an example is ribbon loudspeakers made from magnets, aluminiumfoil and plasticfoil all found in my kitchen. Another is a recyclingproject using thrown away speakerelements. This can be seen at http://www.agora.dk/users/ole.thofte/conus1.htm. Is it acceptable to talk about such topics on this list and maybe develop some diy-stuff together? At the moment I'm thinking of using pistons as driver for loudspeakers; recycled pistons from cassettes maybe? I want to look at the mechanical system in the ear and copy this in some way to the making of a microphone and a loudspeaker. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 25 18:21:50 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:21:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A virus from me! Message-ID: <003a01c175d5$bd7e9d40$5c756acf@johnrotten> This morning I inherited a nasty virus, W32.Badtrans.B at mm so please do not open any files from me. Please delete them immediately. I'm very sorry, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 25 20:11:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:11:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem Message-ID: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen and all, I feel pretty stupid, now that I have 682 service manual handy but still unable to solve its test tone problem ! Now 15k test tone showed clean on spectrum chart - but the 400hz tone has plenty of noise 60db below which looks just like a comb / spikes. Seems like dirty supply but 15k tone is allright ? ... and the oscillator is such a small problematic area, I've replaced 4559, 4081, every caps, transistors with no luck. Any hint / guidance is really appreciated ... Best regards & TIA, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 25 20:55:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:55:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> Gee, I did say, NO OFFENSE INTENDED. Besides, anyone that looks at the picture of this cable and concludes that there's anything in there (anything at all) that justifies the $23,000 price (or, for that matter, $2,300) has already insulted himself. But, just to placate anyone that felt slighted, I'd like to rephrase: I believe that these high cost speaker cables are a fraud, perpetrated on the uninitiated public. Show me one engineer (or *anyone* that understands electrical transmission in cables) that believes in those high-end cables. I have yet to hear of one (just one) measurement that would explain why they would make any audible difference whatsoever. I have yet to hear of on (just one) properly controlled test that proved they made an *audible* (not psychological but AUDIBLE) difference whatsoever. I sincerely hope the above didn't insult anyone. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted > everyone on this list who believe in high end cables. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > -- Ron > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 25 21:05:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:05:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <004501c17547$fd3dd420$7609efd1@KevinRogers> Message-ID: <3C014F10.C8BF29A1@concentric.net> Good advice, Kevin. Typical of those that have already been taken. I presume you already own high end speaker cables and have heard a huge difference (proportional to their price) as soon as you put them in? Never mind, better ignore. Far better than learning the facts. Enjoy the music, -- Ron Kevin Rogers wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. > Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore it, > then everyone will leave it alone? > > Kevin Rogers > > > Ron, > > > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this > list who > > believe in high end cables. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Nov 25 21:43:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:43:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C003FFA.373E55E9@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C0157FE.BDA74937@concentric.net> Carbon fiber is mechanically very strong. As far as I can see, it's use in the cable has no audible or electrical purpose whatsoever. However, it does have an important function, in that anyone willing to throw away $23,000 and break open the box, will have a hard time doing it. There is absolutely no circuit element that can improve the performance of a speaker cable. At best, it'll do no harm. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > I knew you would like this 1, Ron. Why would any engineer design a box with circuitry > in the middle of the path: and to fix or change what! Well, at least it's > carbonfiber--that's got to be important for ensuring that the snakeoil doesn't leak > out, right? > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > -- Ron > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 25 22:29:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:29:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> Ron, I would direct you to: http://www.analysis-plus.com/ Click on the "About Us" link and then on "History". At the top of the History page, there is a link to the consulting side of their business. Take some time to look around the website. They base their designs on strictly on science. Their president, Mark Markel, freely admits that audible differences in cables are questionable. Analysis Plus simple makes the best cables that current technologies will allow and then leaves it to the audiophile market to decide if they can hear and appreciate the improvement. Heck, the design team at Analysis Plus aren't even audiophiles. They are scientists through and through. Mark Markel has Bachelor's Degrees in both Electrical Engineering and Physics and a Master's Degree in Electrical Engineering. The Vice President of Research has a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering. Perhaps even more importantly, the consulting side of their business includes clients like Motorola, TRW, Ford Motor Company, the US Naval Surface Warfare Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee Valley Authority, Institute of Automation at Wuhan University of Technology, Manufacturing Center of Tennessee Technological University, and the Power Center of Tennessee Technological University and many others. They entered the High End business after Monster Cable hired them to analyze some new cables they were intending to bring to market. Analysis Plus put Monster Cable's designs through their analysis process and learned that the cables didn't do what Monster Cable purported (big surprise!). Analysis Plus then went one very important step further, on their own time, and designed their own cable with a completely new geometry. Since Monster Cable was already in the audio cable business, with dealer, distribution and advertising channels throughout the world, Analysis Plus offered to license their new patented cable technology to them. Noel Lee of Monster Cable turned Analysis Plus down, flatly. Analysis Plus was then left with the decision to do nothing with their designs, offer another established cable company a licensing agreement or go into the High End business on their own. When Analysis Plus discovered the crazy prices that some manufacturers were charging, they saw a golden opportunity to jump into the market and offer their cables at fair prices. Their top of the line 12 gauge silver speaker cable costs only $599. If after perusing their website, you have more questions, call Mark Markel at 1-888-579-0386. He is very down to earth and will be happy to spend some time speaking with you. I'm sure that the two of you could have an in-depth discussion about cable design or other technologies. I would love to hear your thoughts after doing some thorough, open minded research into Analysis Plus' products and services. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: Show me one engineer (or *anyone* that understands electrical transmission in cables) that believes in those high-end cables. I have yet to hear of one (just one) measurement that would explain why they would make any audible difference whatsoever. - Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 25 22:30:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:30:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <004501c17547$fd3dd420$7609efd1@KevinRogers> <3C014F10.C8BF29A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C01630F.D37EA27E@earthlink.net> Obviosly trolling. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Good advice, Kevin. Typical of those that have > already been taken. I presume you already own high > end speaker cables and have heard a huge difference > (proportional to their price) as soon as you put > them in? > > Never mind, better ignore. Far better than learning > the facts. > > Enjoy the music, > > -- Ron > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. > > Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore it, > > then everyone will leave it alone? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this > > list who > > > believe in high end cables. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Nov 25 22:33:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:33:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C003FFA.373E55E9@pacbell.net> <3C0157FE.BDA74937@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0163AB.74F0BF8D@earthlink.net> I agree, Ron. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Carbon fiber is mechanically very strong. As far as > I can see, it's use in the cable has no audible or > electrical purpose whatsoever. However, it does have > an important function, in that anyone willing to > throw away $23,000 and break open the box, will > have a hard time doing it. > > There is absolutely no circuit element that can > improve the performance of a speaker cable. At best, > it'll do no harm. > > -- Ron > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > I knew you would like this 1, Ron. Why would any engineer design a box with circuitry > > in the middle of the path: and to fix or change what! Well, at least it's > > carbonfiber--that's got to be important for ensuring that the snakeoil doesn't leak > > out, right? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I never said that it was necessary to spend $1,000s for any cables to hear a difference or that there always was a difference. Sometimes there is little or no difference and sometimes there is a marked difference, not always for the better. The largest differences that I have heard in cables were in interconnects between my phono stage and linestage and in that case the best sounding cables were far from the most expensive. The law of diminishing returns (or in some cases no returns) sets in fairly early in cables in my experience. Kevin > > Good advice, Kevin. Typical of those that have > already been taken. I presume you already own high > end speaker cables and have heard a huge difference > (proportional to their price) as soon as you put > them in? > > Never mind, better ignore. Far better than learning > the facts. > > Enjoy the music, > > -- Ron > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. > > Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore it, > > then everyone will leave it alone? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this > > list who > > > believe in high end cables. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If you still have the noise, do yourself a favor, and stop worrying about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > Hi Stephen and all, > > I feel pretty stupid, now that I have 682 service manual handy but still > unable to solve its test tone problem ! Now 15k test tone showed clean on > spectrum chart - but the 400hz tone has plenty of noise 60db below which > looks just like a comb / spikes. > > Seems like dirty supply but 15k tone is allright ? ... and the oscillator is > such a small problematic area, I've replaced 4559, 4081, every caps, > transistors with no luck. Any hint / guidance is really appreciated ... > > Best regards & TIA, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Nov 25 23:23:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:23:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B49@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <04c301c175ff$c488e260$403442cf@sank1> It was a pretty cheap one, but it was quite OK. Better than 95 percent of stereo receivers on today's market, sound & build wise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > Hi all, > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 26 01:49:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:49:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001201c17615$4b6cd920$64289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, thanks much ! I was hoping a cleaner tone would bring the auto cal to complete the process. Right now I can get both adj motor stop spinning, but it just went 'blank' afterwards and in the end keep flashing stop light .... didn't rewind the tape back to 0. Like you said, maybe final logic step was at fault, but then again both 4001s + 4011 gates on auto level board are new. I'll take a more in-depth look ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > While it may not be normal, noise in the 400Hz tone at -60dB is well below > the noise level required for the tone's intended purpose. So, it's really > nothing to worry about. But... If you've replaced everything in the > circuit, I'd suggest two things. First, add 470uf or more of electrolytic > caps on the supply lines at the tone osc circuit, along with 0.1uf or more > of polyester or better film caps. Second, and this is good to do for the > audio anyway, replace the rectifier diode bridge for the audio power supply > with soft-recovery diodes from IRC, Harris or IXYS. If you still have the > noise, do yourself a favor, and stop worrying about it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 04:03:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:03:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <004501c17547$fd3dd420$7609efd1@KevinRogers> <3C014F10.C8BF29A1@concentric.net> <006f01c175f9$7b0adae0$8310efd1@KevinRogers> Message-ID: <3C01B0F6.5B4851E9@concentric.net> Kevin Rogers wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > Actually Ron I'm using LAT Bi-Wire speaker cables, which are not very > expensive and work well in my system. I never said that it was necessary to > spend $1,000s for any cables to hear a difference or that there always was a > difference. Sometimes there is little or no difference and sometimes there > is a marked difference, not always for the better. Well, Kevin, in my experience (that does include a fair number of various cables), the differences are only audible when comparing technically poor cables to anything else. > The largest differences > that I have heard in cables were in interconnects between my phono stage and > linestage and in that case the best sounding cables were far from the most > expensive. The law of diminishing returns (or in some cases no returns) sets > in fairly early in cables in my experience. I am shocked and embarrassed to admit I am in full agreement with you... The only point in your post that I objected to was the idea that ignoring an opposing opinion somehow marks it as false, or that name calling (even mild) constitutes a valid argument. Speaker cables are a subjective -- not to mention, emotional -- issue in Audio circles. I find it best to approach it with a detached, technical attitude. Applying that approach, you find that once a cable is technically adequate (yes, I realize we can go to war on the question of how adequate is adequate), it will sound essentially the same as any other adequate cable. But, once a cable is sold as an audiophile cable, it's price reflects this, which is why regular 14AWG cable from Monster can cost 4 to 10 times as much as the same thing, made by, say, Carol. Along with the price hike, the cable also acquires mystical capabilities in the sale blurbs... -- Ron > > Kevin > > > > > Good advice, Kevin. Typical of those that have > > already been taken. I presume you already own high > > end speaker cables and have heard a huge difference > > (proportional to their price) as soon as you put > > them in? > > > > Never mind, better ignore. Far better than learning > > the facts. > > > > Enjoy the music, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > > (US)... > > > > > > This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. > > > Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore > it, > > > then everyone will leave it alone? > > > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on > this > > > list who > > > > believe in high end cables. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 04:06:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:06:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B49@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C01B1AF.7F41365F@concentric.net> I used to own the SX-1250, that was a stupendous stereo receiver for its time. IIRC, the SX-450 was one of its little brothers, not close in power, features or quality, but quite good for the price. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 04:16:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:16:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C01B41E.14E68FE1@concentric.net> Salim, Just a thought... Since you mention that the noise you observe is comb like on the spectrum analyzer, I wonder if it isn't really harmonic distortion. (-60db is roughly equivalent to 0.1% distortion, which could be what the circuit is capable of). One way to get rid of it is to follow the circuit with a sharp 600HZ low pass filter. OTOH, -60db is pretty low -- I wonder why would noise at -60db cause a problem. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Stephen and all, > > I feel pretty stupid, now that I have 682 service manual handy but still > unable to solve its test tone problem ! Now 15k test tone showed clean on > spectrum chart - but the 400hz tone has plenty of noise 60db below which > looks just like a comb / spikes. > > Seems like dirty supply but 15k tone is allright ? ... and the oscillator is > such a small problematic area, I've replaced 4559, 4081, every caps, > transistors with no luck. Any hint / guidance is really appreciated ... > > Best regards & TIA, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 04:20:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:20:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <004501c17547$fd3dd420$7609efd1@KevinRogers> <3C014F10.C8BF29A1@concentric.net> <3C01630F.D37EA27E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C01B4E4.1EA799A6@concentric.net> LOL, Jim. Apparently, our definition of 'trolling' (at least, in this context) differs. Have a good one, -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Obviosly trolling. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Good advice, Kevin. Typical of those that have > > already been taken. I presume you already own high > > end speaker cables and have heard a huge difference > > (proportional to their price) as soon as you put > > them in? > > > > Never mind, better ignore. Far better than learning > > the facts. > > > > Enjoy the music, > > > > -- Ron > > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > > (US)... > > > > > > This subject seems to come up with some regularity with the same result. > > > Perhaps the "no difference brigade" are just trolling and if we ignore it, > > > then everyone will leave it alone? > > > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > > > We're all entitled to our opinions but you just insulted everyone on this > > > list who > > > > believe in high end cables. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Of course it makes a difference. Let's see... It > > > > > makes the bass authoritative and the treble airy and > > > > > transparent. Mid tones become polite and rich (though > > > > > the reverse happens to your bank account). Sound stage > > > > > is wider and depth is clearer. In addition, it makes > > > > > the sun shine brilliantly and the rain less acidic. > > > > > > > > > > No offense intended, but in speaker cables, price is > > > > > usually inversely proportional to the customer's > > > > > intelligence. Anyone paying this kind of money for an > > > > > 8' pair, deserves what they get. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, someone sawed open the plastic box in the middle of > > > > > a high end cable (don't recall which -- not this one) > > > > > and found a single 20 cent 100 ohm resistor... > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...for 1 speaker cable make a difference in your system? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/opus-mm.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Nov 26 04:31:22 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:31:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what can we talk about? References: <001201c175a9$4bd41e80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C01B788.9030EAF6@snet.net> Welcome aboard... while the general theme is about Nakamichi's, we've been known to wander the topic material all over the place with an amazing degree of overall acceptance. I must say that having glanced at your home brewed Walsh type system I am amazed at your ingenuity... it is something to be admired and the kind of thing that can benefit us all. Ed ole thofte wrote: > I'm new to the list and want to know what is OK to talk about and what > isn't. I can see there is a certain amount of teasing/kidding and > that's OK with me. My reason for joining can be summarized in the > word: recycling. I find it sensible to reuse older hifi-equipment that > function well and in many ways is State-of-the-art. At the same time > I'm curious about new solutions like digital roomcorrection, digital > amps, recordings made on your pc etc.I like to have hifi as a hobby > since technical stuff is far from what I do for a living. Also I find > it stimulating to try reusing some of the stuff that's normally thrown > away---like quality speakerelements with crumbled surrounds that only > need a new surround but otherwise is OK. In most cases these are just > thrown away and that's a senseless waste. I also find it interesting > to try and solve technical problems without "technical knowledge" - by > just jumping at it and find a "cheap" way where you might not have > expected it. In the mentioned case I've tried making new surrounds > using latex-rubber. I have mainly worked with loudspeakers since this > probably is less technically demanding.....an example is ribbon > loudspeakers made from magnets, aluminiumfoil and plasticfoil all > found in my kitchen. Another is a recyclingproject using thrown away > speakerelements. This can be seen at > http://www.agora.dk/users/ole.thofte/conus1.htm. Is it acceptable to > talk about such topics on this list and maybe develop some diy-stuff > together? At the moment I'm thinking of using pistons as driver for > loudspeakers; recycled pistons from cassettes maybe? I want to look at > the mechanical system in the ear and copy this in some way to the > making of a microphone and a loudspeaker. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 05:25:51 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:25:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> OK, Jim, I'll do that. Until I do, let's give a rest to the question of sonic differences for a moment. Let's ask ourselves, what is it in *any* cable that could justify a price of thousands of dollars (let alone, tens of thousands of dollars). I'd say the most expensive portion of the cable is the tooling for the box and terminations -- probably, a one time expense of a few hundred to a couple of thousand dollars. Sell 20 cables and it amortizes to a hundred bucks per cable, at most. Look at the wires and connectors and tell me what justifies this kind of pricing. Where does 'expensive' end and 'rip-off' begin? -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > I would direct you to: > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/ > > Click on the "About Us" link and then on "History". At the top of the History page, there > is a link to the consulting side of their business. > > Take some time to look around the website. They base their designs on strictly on science. > Their president, Mark Markel, freely admits that audible differences in cables are > questionable. Analysis Plus simple makes the best cables that current technologies will > allow and then leaves it to the audiophile market to decide if they can hear and appreciate > the improvement. > > Heck, the design team at Analysis Plus aren't even audiophiles. They are scientists through > and through. Mark Markel has Bachelor's Degrees in both Electrical Engineering and Physics > and a Master's Degree in Electrical Engineering. The Vice President of Research has a Ph.D. > in Electrical Engineering. Perhaps even more importantly, the consulting side of their > business includes clients like Motorola, TRW, Ford Motor Company, the US Naval Surface > Warfare Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee Valley Authority, Institute of > Automation at Wuhan University of Technology, Manufacturing Center of Tennessee > Technological University, and the Power Center of Tennessee Technological University and > many others. > > They entered the High End business after Monster Cable hired them to analyze some new > cables they were intending to bring to market. Analysis Plus put Monster Cable's designs > through their analysis process and learned that the cables didn't do what Monster Cable > purported (big surprise!). Analysis Plus then went one very important step further, on > their own time, and designed their own cable with a completely new geometry. Since Monster > Cable was already in the audio cable business, with dealer, distribution and advertising > channels throughout the world, Analysis Plus offered to license their new patented cable > technology to them. Noel Lee of Monster Cable turned Analysis Plus down, flatly. > > Analysis Plus was then left with the decision to do nothing with their designs, offer > another established cable company a licensing agreement or go into the High End business on > their own. When Analysis Plus discovered the crazy prices that some manufacturers were > charging, they saw a golden opportunity to jump into the market and offer their cables at > fair prices. Their top of the line 12 gauge silver speaker cable costs only $599. > > If after perusing their website, you have more questions, call Mark Markel at > 1-888-579-0386. He is very down to earth and will be happy to spend some time speaking with > you. I'm sure that the two of you could have an in-depth discussion about cable design or > other technologies. > > I would love to hear your thoughts after doing some thorough, open minded research into > Analysis Plus' products and services. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > Show me one engineer (or *anyone* that understands electrical transmission in cables) that > believes in those high-end cables. I have yet to hear of one (just one) measurement that > would explain why they would make any audible difference whatsoever. > > - Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Nov 26 08:29:49 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:29:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, not the cost involved in producing it. As long as quality cables continue to offer improvements similar in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will pay similar prices. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > OK, Jim, I'll do that. > > Until I do, let's give a rest to the question of > sonic differences for a moment. Let's ask ourselves, > what is it in *any* cable that could justify a > price of thousands of dollars (let alone, tens of > thousands of dollars). > > I'd say the most expensive portion of the cable is > the tooling for the box and terminations -- probably, > a one time expense of a few hundred to a couple of > thousand dollars. Sell 20 cables and it amortizes to > a hundred bucks per cable, at most. Look at the wires > and connectors and tell me what justifies this kind > of pricing. Where does 'expensive' end and 'rip-off' > begin? > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Mon Nov 26 09:06:28 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:06:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (U S)... Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157EB9@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> I learned one thing in the audio industry. "Price doesn't buy you performance, but it does buy you paranoia." - Dick Pierce. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, not the cost involved in producing it. As long as quality cables continue to offer improvements similar in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will pay similar prices. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > OK, Jim, I'll do that. > > Until I do, let's give a rest to the question of > sonic differences for a moment. Let's ask ourselves, > what is it in *any* cable that could justify a > price of thousands of dollars (let alone, tens of > thousands of dollars). > > I'd say the most expensive portion of the cable is > the tooling for the box and terminations -- probably, > a one time expense of a few hundred to a couple of > thousand dollars. Sell 20 cables and it amortizes to > a hundred bucks per cable, at most. Look at the wires > and connectors and tell me what justifies this kind > of pricing. Where does 'expensive' end and 'rip-off' > begin? > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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My own 3-way speakers, for example, stand up very well against more modern ones of a high price. I made significant "upgrade" to their in terms of (admittedly subjective) clarity, especially the upper frequencies and bass, by reducing the resonance in the wooden cabinet and by reducing cross-contamination of the vibrations from the bass driver getting to the other two, and vice versa. I know someone else who is into DIY hi fi in a VERY big way. I'll introduce you to him (off the Nak list) if you like. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Nov 26 14:44:19 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:44:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV Message-ID: Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) format, to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but I'm in the office now and can't experiment. Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 16:12:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:12:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C025BD7.D910E44A@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > not the cost involved in producing it. Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > As long as > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > pay similar prices. No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all in blind ones. Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. Peace, -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > OK, Jim, I'll do that. > > > > Until I do, let's give a rest to the question of > > sonic differences for a moment. Let's ask ourselves, > > what is it in *any* cable that could justify a > > price of thousands of dollars (let alone, tens of > > thousands of dollars). > > > > I'd say the most expensive portion of the cable is > > the tooling for the box and terminations -- probably, > > a one time expense of a few hundred to a couple of > > thousand dollars. Sell 20 cables and it amortizes to > > a hundred bucks per cable, at most. Look at the wires > > and connectors and tell me what justifies this kind > > of pricing. Where does 'expensive' end and 'rip-off' > > begin? > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 16:20:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: Message-ID: <3C025DCA.4FC87734@concentric.net> I don't think Easy CD Creator 5.0 can do this. The Platinum edition can convert an audio track or WAV file to MP3 (non platinum version won't do even that), but I don't see a way to do the reverse. Even if it could, there is no way the WAV file can be exactly recreated, since the WAV to MP3 process throws away some information. This is why MP3 files do not sound as good. -- Ron George Valkov wrote: > > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) format, > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but I'm > in the office now and can't experiment. > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) format, > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but I'm > in the office now and can't experiment. > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Nov 26 17:14:57 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:14:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It can be done and Easy CD Creator can do that. The quality will not be identical to the original CD, obviously, but when listened on "non high-end" equipment, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Mon, November 26, 2001 7:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) format, to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but I'm in the office now and can't experiment. Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Nov 26 17:48:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:48:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: Message-ID: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> Exactly ... George, use a boombox and they sound the same ! But seriously, you can easily convert mp3 back to wav using (surprise !) winamp. Just use the option "write to disk" instead of playing to speaker. I'm not sure about quality differences between winamp's 'nullsoft' decoder and any other / better converter. IME for easy listening they're ok ... try to focus on something else instead of sound quality. Once you have your wav collections on harddisk then you can use easy cd creator to burn a 'master'. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > It can be done and Easy CD Creator can do that. > > The quality will not be identical to the original CD, obviously, but when > listened on "non high-end" equipment, you will be hard pressed to tell the > difference. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Mon, November 26, 2001 7:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > > > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) format, > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but I'm > in the office now and can't experiment. > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 17:58:28 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:58:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126165828.1535.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> EZ CD Creator makes it REALLY REALLY EASY to make standard Red Book audio CD from MP3. Just "drag and drop". Yes, just drap the *.MP3 file to the CD window and drop. EZ CD Creator 4 knows that they are MP3's and converts them to CD Audio format on the fly! I would assume they left this feature in Creator 5. I haven't used EZ CD Creator 5, since it does really really bad things to Windows 2000. SJ --- George Valkov wrote: > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, > feel free to reply to me > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to > red book CD (WAV?) format, > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More > specifically, can the Easy CD > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb > question maybe, but I'm > in the office now and can't experiment. > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Mon Nov 26 18:24:35 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:24:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV Message-ID: <12.16124651.2933d4d3@aol.com> FYI-I have been using CD Creator 5 w/ Win 2000 w/ absolutely no problems for a while now. Just make sure that it is one of the first programs loaded after loading the o/s. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 26 18:36:41 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:36:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: <20011126165828.1535.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501c176a0$e95e97a0$14756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> EZ Creator 5 Platinum works great if you follow the directions at www.roxio.com Windows 2000 and XP. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > EZ CD Creator makes it REALLY REALLY EASY to make > standard Red Book audio CD from MP3. Just "drag and > drop". Yes, just drap the *.MP3 file to the CD window > and drop. EZ CD Creator 4 knows that they are MP3's > and converts them to CD Audio format on the fly! > > I would assume they left this feature in Creator 5. > I haven't used EZ CD Creator 5, since it does really > really bad things to Windows 2000. > > SJ > > --- George Valkov wrote: > > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, > > feel free to reply to me > > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to > > red book CD (WAV?) format, > > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More > > specifically, can the Easy CD > > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Nov 26 19:32:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:32:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message-ID: <155.4ae6727.2933e4a3@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/2001 2:18:34 AM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Ole Have a look at the design of the old Leak Sandwich speakers, made in the early 1960's, which used a kind of piston-like method for the main drivers. They were highly regarded in their time and still sought after by some to this day; indeed, I am told that a good pair can hold its head up quite well even in today's company of more modern designs .... which makes me wonder if the difference in speakers of yester year and of today is so much in the electronics as it might be in the physical construction of the box in which the speakers sit. My own 3-way speakers, for example, stand up very well against more modern ones of a high price. I made significant "upgrade" to their in terms of (admittedly subjective) clarity, especially the upper frequencies and bass, by reducing the resonance in the wooden cabinet and by reducing cross-contamination of the vibrations from the bass driver getting to the other two, and vice versa. I know someone else who is into DIY hi fi in a VERY big way. I'll introduce you to him (off the Nak list) if you like. Graham >> Hi Graham and all, There are a few interesting and useful websites regarding speaker design that may "shed" some light on your observations. I also subscribe to the belief that not every "new" component is better than some of the "older" components. Enjoy my friend! -Sam LDSG Gallery of Interesting Designs (this one is very interesting) http://www.snippets.org/ldsg/gallery.php3 Loudspeaker 101 http://xsspl.tripod.com/Audio/Sound.htm Speaker Building dot-com http://www.speakerbuilding.com/speaker_design/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Nov 26 20:11:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:11:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV Message-ID: <153.4a5dc2f.2933ede5@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/2001 11:39:50 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << EZ Creator 5 Platinum works great if you follow the directions at www.roxio.com Windows 2000 and XP. >> For what it's worth, I've been using MusicMatch's free JukeBox application to convert MP3's to WAVs as it was rated by PCNet, TechTv, PCWorld, PC Magazine, and the like as the best converter program. Whichever program you choose, remember that they are not all created "equally." www.musicmatch.com Sound quality is important to me, even when decompressing a compressed sound file. I would advise choosing the software with the best algorithms so that your .wav files will sound their best. Also, I now use Cool Edit 2000 and depending on your level of expertise you may want to consider downloading their 30-day trial version to edit your .wav files. I've found my MP3's and decompressed MP3's-.WAVs made with Cool Edit surpass the extremely popular MusicMatch Jukebox's compression/decompression algorithms. Having "played" with most of the popular MP3 programs, I've found MusicMatch and Cool Edit to be the best sonically. www.cooledit.com Feel free to discuss this with me offline from NakTalkers as I've become very good at restoring lost fidelity during MP3 - WAV decompression. For the larger NakTalkers group - I would agree that overall you can tell the difference between a regular CD track vs. a MP3-to-WAV track. However, I have a few "gems" that I've created that sound identical to the CD source, so it is possible, just rare. Really depends on the quality of the source material, the MP3 compression algorithms, the MP3-WAV decompression algorithms, and your editing ability. (I use a parametric equalizer to remove any hiss, high bit rates, and a little mid/treb boost to "sweeten" the file) Also, I would like to ask this group's collective wisdom what their opinions are of this product, it seem highly promising if it does what is advertised. Thank you all in advance for your help and I look forward to your comments. Sutherland 12dAX7 USB-driven tube preamp http://home.swbell.net/ronsuthe/ -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Nov 26 21:19:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:19:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C02A3D5.963ACB3F@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Exactly ... George, use a boombox and they sound the same ! > > But seriously, you can easily convert mp3 back to wav using (surprise !) > winamp. Just use the option "write to disk" instead of playing to speaker. > I'm not sure about quality differences between winamp's 'nullsoft' decoder > and any other / better converter. IME for easy listening they're ok ... try > to focus on something else instead of sound quality. I haven't used WinAmp that much. I just brought it up, looking for the MP3 to WAV option. Couldn't find a 'Write to Disk' option. Mind telling how to access it? TIA, -- Ron > > Once you have your wav collections on harddisk then you can use easy cd > creator to burn a 'master'. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:14 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > > > It can be done and Easy CD Creator can do that. > > > > The quality will not be identical to the original CD, obviously, but when > > listened on "non high-end" equipment, you will be hard pressed to tell the > > difference. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: Mon, November 26, 2001 7:44 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > > > > > > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, feel free to reply to me > > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to red book CD (WAV?) > format, > > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More specifically, can the Easy CD > > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb question maybe, but > I'm > > in the office now and can't experiment. > > > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > > > George > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Nov 26 23:02:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:02:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> <3C025BD7.D910E44A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C02BBE4.6CC6683@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about whether cables make a difference but I'd like to make one last point. The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely advertising driven. If a potential buyer can't hear the difference, why would 90% of the audiophiles out there part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire them? Certainly not solely because of slick marketing. These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and who am I to tell them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our acuity varies considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, so be it. If they don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in an effort to convince them of what they should hear or own. There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby and all the negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more usefully spent sharing the love of music. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > As long as > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > pay similar prices. > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > in blind ones. > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > Peace, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Enjoy my friend! -Sam LDSG Gallery of Interesting Designs (this one is very interesting) http://www.snippets.org/ldsg/gallery.php3 Loudspeaker 101 http://xsspl.tripod.com/Audio/Sound.htm Speaker Building dot-com http://www.speakerbuilding.com/speaker_design/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 00:03:44 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Easy CD Creator 5 w/ Windows 2000 Pro In-Reply-To: <12.16124651.2933d4d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20011126230344.98399.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry guys for the OT message. I just want to clear something up regarding Easy CD Creator 5 and Windows 2000 Pro. I have not tried this combination myself, but, a friend of mine, who loves installing everything the day after it comes out, has. His experience was very bad. After installing Creator 5 on W2K he found out about a bug that was previous undocumented. Upon reboot he found the system to be unusable, forcing him to wipe and reinstall the OS. Up until today that was all I knew. It seems that Roxio has a work around for the bug. I have pasted the work around below in case anyone is interested. I suspect that those of you that installed it without problems either bought a bug fixed version or inadvertantly sneaked around the problem. I think it sucks that manufacturers of mainstream software don't test their software more throughly. The following is from the Roxio web site. It is with regards to installing Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum on a Windows 2000 system. Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum and Windows 2000 A small percentage of our customers using the Windows 2000 operating system have experienced some problems with Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum. There are two issues that we are currently aware of and working diligently to correct: 1. A blue screen error and 2. The computer takes an extremely long time to boot. Both of these issues are experienced after doing a complete install of Easy CD Creator. We have tracked these issues to the Take Two module of Easy CD Creator. Before installation, we suggest that any of our customers using the Windows 2000 operating system select the "Custom Install" option and un-select Take Two. If you have already done a complete install of our software and are having either of these problems, here are some things you can try to help boot the system so you can uninstall our software and then do a "Custom Install" without Take Two. 1. If you have a Zip drive, disconnect the cable to the Zip. Or, have a disk in the Zip drive when you power on the system. (Always power the system completely down before doing anything to the internal components of your computer.) 2. Try disconnecting the IDE cable to your CDR or CDRW. (Always power the system completely down before doing anything to the internal components of your computer.) 3. Try disconnecting all USB devices that are attached to the system. When you are able to boot the system into the operating system, you will need to uninstall our software. Then when you re-install choose Custom Install and unselect the Take Two option --- BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > FYI-I have been using CD Creator 5 w/ Win 2000 w/ > absolutely no problems for a while now. Just make > sure that it is one of the first programs loaded > after loading the o/s. > > Cal John. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Nov 27 00:05:36 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:05:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> <001901c1738b$21b457c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD8E2B.CD46749@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001b01c176ce$dbaeefa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Continued story after having bought new fuses. well the new fuses in my cr7a blew too, and a bit of that nasty smell of electronic death, if I may be morbid. Now I'm an unhappy man again and will go to the cdr7-repairman which is rather unlikely to find in Denmark these days - the whole problem is probably caused by a thunderstorm at the time and maybe I'm insured against this. The woman in the electronics shop told me that they quite regularly had repair on telephones, pc's, radioequipment and so on. I didn't know that - and I didn't know that most familyinsurances cover this sort of thing-even though most people aren't aware of that. We'll see. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > F403 is the AC fuse for the +5.6V supply. I recommend > that you replace all blown fuses with exact value. If > you have the means to test transistors, it may be a > good idea to measure Q402 (2SD1589), Q403 and Q404 > (both 2SC945), Q406 (2SB1094), Q407 and Q408 (both > 2SA733). If any of these are shorted, don't bother > replacing F401 and F402 -- the new ones will blow, > too. Also, if Q409 (2SD1589) or Q410 (2SC945) are > shorted, it makes no sense to replace F403. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > To Ron > > Thanks again - I appreciate this help. F401 and F402 both gone(1.25A). In > > addition F403 0.5A also gone. Wonder what else is gone? Happened, probably, > > when I (stupid) tried to stop tapecalibration by rewinding. > > Ole thofte > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > > > > Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which > > > is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses > > > F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European > > > decks) on that board. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Nov 27 00:40:59 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:40:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what can we talk about? References: <001201c175a9$4bd41e80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C01B788.9030EAF6@snet.net> Message-ID: <006501c176d3$cd571d60$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Thanks Ed for some nice words about my Conus1 project. I have to admit it needs some final touches like a surround made of latex-rubber. And so far I don't know of anybody who has tried building one - except maybe in a way Steve at www.decware.com. And thanks for some interesting links from Sam and Graham. Amazing collection/overview from Bob Stout's Snippet site. He mentions som unusual speakers like German Physik's DDD-driver, the Manger driver and the NXT driver all with rather flexible membranes - not working as pistons - but using the bending wave principle. As I understand it, it's rather the break-up of the membrane thats being used sonically and not the pistonic movements. I must apologize for me English: when I mentioned I wanted to use pistons in loudspeakerexp. I rather ment solinoids in the sense that here we have a magnet/coil system to drive a membrane. The idea is to recycle solinoids from other electric equipment as the driver in a speakerelement. The membrane and the attachment of membrane and solinoid should be open to experiment: the shape of the membrane could be a balloon or a cone or a cylinder or some other shape. It could be big og small depending on whether you want to use a single driver og a multiple driver system. But I don't know yet if solinoids can be used. There might be a heat problem. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what can we talk about? Welcome aboard... while the general theme is about Nakamichi's, we've been known to wander the topic material all over the place with an amazing degree of overall acceptance. I must say that having glanced at your home brewed Walsh type system I am amazed at your ingenuity... it is something to be admired and the kind of thing that can benefit us all. Ed ole thofte wrote: I'm new to the list and want to know what is OK to talk about and what isn't. I can see there is a certain amount of teasing/kidding and that's OK with me. My reason for joining can be summarized in the word: recycling. I find it sensible to reuse older hifi-equipment that function well and in many ways is State-of-the-art. At the same time I'm curious about new solutions like digital roomcorrection, digital amps, recordings made on your pc etc.I like to have hifi as a hobby since technical stuff is far from what I do for a living. Also I find it stimulating to try reusing some of the stuff that's normally thrown away---like quality speakerelements with crumbled surrounds that only need a new surround but otherwise is OK. In most cases these are just thrown away and that's a senseless waste. I also find it interesting to try and solve technical problems without "technical knowledge" - by just jumping at it and find a "cheap" way where you might not have expected it. In the mentioned case I've tried making new surrounds using latex-rubber. I have mainly worked with loudspeakers since this probably is less technically demanding.....an example is ribbon loudspeakers made from magnets, aluminiumfoil and plasticfoil all found in my kitchen. Another is a recyclingproject using thrown away speakerelements. This can be seen at http://www.agora.dk/users/ole.thofte/conus1.htm. Is it acceptable to talk about such topics on this list and maybe develop some diy-stuff together? At the moment I'm thinking of using pistons as driver for loudspeakers; recycled pistons from cassettes maybe? I want to look at the mechanical system in the ear and copy this in some way to the making of a microphone and a loudspeaker. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 27 01:52:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:52:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> <3C02A3D5.963ACB3F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001801c176de$cf4f9100$18299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Under 'apple' menu, choose options -> preferences then click 'output' tab and on my v2.23 (never bother to upgrade) there are nullsoft waveout, diskwrite, directsound and wma output options. I think 'Options' and 'Preferences' should be at the same menu level ... Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > > > I haven't used WinAmp that much. I just brought it up, > looking for the MP3 to WAV option. Couldn't find a > 'Write to Disk' option. Mind telling how to access it? > > TIA, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Nov 27 03:48:42 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:48:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT References: <000301c17652$19f70720$5fa187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C02FF0A.B773EB40@snet.net> I've actually got a pair of the Leak Sandwiches... a most interesting design with the actual cones made of styrofoam and then coated back and front with a dull silvered paper. The actual speaker frames appear to be early Wharfdale... especially the tweeters which are undeniably Wharfdale's. Much as I hate to say it, I've never heard these. The glue that holds the cloth woofer surrounds deteriorated and the voice coils ultimately became angled out of alignment a number of years before I found them. Being that the price was right (free) I grabbed them thinking I'd try to get them repaired some time... anyone know someone who can work on these... I'd love to hear them. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > OleHave a look at the design of the old Leak Sandwich speakers, made > in the early 1960's, which used a kind of piston-like method for the > main drivers. They were highly regarded in their time and still > sought after by some to this day; indeed, I am told that a good pair > can hold its head up quite well even in today's company of more modern > designs .... which makes me wonder if the difference in speakers of > yester year and of today is so much in the electronics as it might be > in the physical construction of the box in which the speakers sit. My > own 3-way speakers, for example, stand up very well against more > modern ones of a high price. I made significant "upgrade" to their in > terms of (admittedly subjective) clarity, especially the upper > frequencies and bass, by reducing the resonance in the wooden cabinet > and by reducing cross-contamination of the vibrations from the bass > driver getting to the other two, and vice versa. I know someone else > who is into DIY hi fi in a VERY big way. I'll introduce you to him > (off the Nak list) if you like.Graham > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Nov 27 04:35:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:35:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message-ID: <14b.4aaed6c.293463e9@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/2001 4:22:30 PM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Nice one, Sam, nice one! Graham >> Glad you liked it my friend! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Nov 27 05:14:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:14:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a References: <001301c1732f$757762a0$42d60192@vsnl> <004d01c17380$c08c1aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD482A.FBCB5F84@concentric.net> <001901c1738b$21b457c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3BFD8E2B.CD46749@concentric.net> <001b01c176ce$dbaeefa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <05d001c176f9$fae91c80$403442cf@sank1> Here in the States, most homeowner's insurance poilicies cover power surge/lightning damage to electronics to some or a great extent. Some, though, will only pay if the component exhibited open flames(so they must be paying off on a lot of Carver & Sunfire crap!). Equally often, if a written estimate/evaluation is obtained from a service center, which documents power line surge damage, the local power utility will cover the costs. Whichever the case, the first step is to get the professional evaluation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > Continued story after having bought new fuses. well the new fuses in my cr7a > blew too, and a bit of that nasty smell of electronic death, if I may be > morbid. Now I'm an unhappy man again and will go to the cdr7-repairman which > is rather unlikely to find in Denmark these days - > the whole problem is probably caused by a thunderstorm at the time and maybe > I'm insured against this. The woman in the electronics shop told me that > they quite regularly had repair on telephones, pc's, radioequipment and so > on. I didn't know that - and I didn't know that most familyinsurances cover > this sort of thing-even though most people aren't aware of that. We'll see. > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > > F403 is the AC fuse for the +5.6V supply. I recommend > > that you replace all blown fuses with exact value. If > > you have the means to test transistors, it may be a > > good idea to measure Q402 (2SD1589), Q403 and Q404 > > (both 2SC945), Q406 (2SB1094), Q407 and Q408 (both > > 2SA733). If any of these are shorted, don't bother > > replacing F401 and F402 -- the new ones will blow, > > too. Also, if Q409 (2SD1589) or Q410 (2SC945) are > > shorted, it makes no sense to replace F403. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > > > To Ron > > > Thanks again - I appreciate this help. F401 and F402 both gone(1.25A). > In > > > addition F403 0.5A also gone. Wonder what else is gone? Happened, > probably, > > > when I (stupid) tried to stop tapecalibration by rewinding. > > > Ole thofte > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Computer battery Nak cr7a > > > > > > > > > > > Motors run off the 12V line, the supply for which > > > > is on the power supply board. It is fed by fuses > > > > F401 and F402 (2.5A on US decks, 1.25A on European > > > > decks) on that board. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Nov 27 07:16:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:16:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] another 'cd full of nak info' Message-ID: <001301c1770b$055840e0$46289bca@smarzuki> Is this any different than the last one we discussed ? Contains service views ... copies for nak community please ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301521045 My apology to sneak-bidders. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In fact I'm very interested in the manual for this deck and could be extremely grateful if you manage to send it to me directly. The only problem is postbox size limitation. So please contact me directly to discuss the possible options. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Nov 27 16:38:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:38:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV References: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> <3C02A3D5.963ACB3F@concentric.net> <001801c176de$cf4f9100$18299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C03B365.1B2804E0@concentric.net> Thanks, Salim. I have a PC with WinAmp V2.65. It works somewhat differently, bur I managed to do it easily thanks to your pointer (select Options/preferences/output, then choose a directory for the output WAV file). -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Under 'apple' menu, choose options -> preferences then click 'output' tab > and on my v2.23 (never bother to upgrade) there are nullsoft waveout, > diskwrite, directsound and wma output options. > > I think 'Options' and 'Preferences' should be at the same menu level ... > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV > > > > > > > I haven't used WinAmp that much. I just brought it up, > > looking for the MP3 to WAV option. Couldn't find a > > 'Write to Disk' option. Mind telling how to access it? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The actual speaker frames appear to be early Wharfdale... especially the tweeters which are undeniably Wharfdale's. Much as I hate to say it, I've never heard these. The glue that holds the cloth woofer surrounds deteriorated and the voice coils ultimately became angled out of alignment a number of years before I found them. Being that the price was right (free) I grabbed them thinking I'd try to get them repaired some time... anyone know someone who can work on these... I'd love to hear them. Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron at gmx.net Wed Nov 28 01:05:00 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:05:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: MP3 to WAV In-Reply-To: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> References: <001701c1769a$38dc7e20$59299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20011128010459.A3934@esme.xs4all.nl> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:48:14PM +0700, Salim Marzuki wrote: [...] > But seriously, you can easily convert mp3 back to wav using (surprise !) > winamp. Just use the option "write to disk" instead of playing to speaker. [...] For completeness' sake (not everybody is using MS): Under Unix/Linux, xmms provides the same feature ("Disk Writer Plugin"). Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Nov 28 02:16:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:16:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> <3C025BD7.D910E44A@concentric.net> <3C02BBE4.6CC6683@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C043AD0.35DBB326@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > [........] > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely > advertising driven. If a potential buyer can't hear the > difference, why would 90% of the audiophiles out there > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire > them? In the first place, it's not 90%. Probably, not even 50%. As to why, I do have an idea, but discussing it will surely launch us again into these long interminable arguments... -- Ron > Certainly not solely because of slick marketing. > > These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and who am I to tell > them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our acuity varies > considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, so be it. If they > don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in an effort to > convince them of what they should hear or own. > > There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby and all the > negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more usefully spent sharing > the love of music. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > > > As long as > > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > > pay similar prices. > > > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > > in blind ones. > > > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Nov 28 03:05:33 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:05:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> <3C025BD7.D910E44A@concentric.net> <3C02BBE4.6CC6683@earthlink.net> <3C043AD0.35DBB326@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C04466D.2FE9839B@earthlink.net> OK. Fair enough. Peace, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > [........] > > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely > > advertising driven. If a potential buyer can't hear the > > difference, why would 90% of the audiophiles out there > > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire > > them? > > In the first place, it's not 90%. Probably, not even 50%. > > As to why, I do have an idea, but discussing it will surely > launch us again into these long interminable arguments... > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 28 03:28:14 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:28:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT References: <000601c1776f$f32ef2a0$22b287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C044BBD.A6180B02@snet.net> That would be great! Thanks, Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > Hi EdI'll make some enquiries for you - I know some guys on the H J > Leak enthusiasts web site who may know.RegardsGraham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes > Sent: 27 November 2001 02:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT > > I've actually got a pair of the Leak Sandwiches... a most > interesting design with the actual cones made of styrofoam > and then coated back and front with a dull silvered paper. > The actual speaker frames appear to be early Wharfdale... > especially the tweeters which are undeniably Wharfdale's. > Much as I hate to say it, I've never heard these. The glue > that holds the cloth woofer surrounds deteriorated and the > voice coils ultimately became angled out of alignment a > number of years before I found them. Being that the price > was right (free) I grabbed them thinking I'd try to get them > repaired some time... anyone know someone who can work on > these... I'd love to hear them. > > Ed > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 12:15:22 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:15:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Possible virus outbreak Message-ID: Guys, Yesterday my computer got infected by a nasty new one called WORM BADTRANS II. I found out almost immediately and have remained offline until I cleaned it up today. So in case anyone has received messages from me with attachments only and no message text pls delete immediately without opening. I guess the curious ones know where to look for a detailed description of above pest. Apologies in advance to anyone who has been infected because of me. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 28 05:02:07 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:02:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... In-Reply-To: <3C043AD0.35DBB326@concentric.net> References: <143.513da60.292fdce2@aol.com> <3BFFB402.B694F7E8@concentric.net> <3C002D64.B9259C0A@earthlink.net> <3C014CA2.D2993BD6@concentric.net> <3C0162D0.DDEF2295@earthlink.net> <3C01C44F.EB99B981@concentric.net> <3C01EF6D.D0D5364F@earthlink.net> <3C025BD7.D910E44A@concentric.net> <3C02BBE4.6CC6683@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127224159.00ac8a80@mail.verizon.net> At 11/27/01, you wrote: >Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > [........] > > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely > > advertising driven. If a potential buyer can't hear the > > difference, why would 90% of the audiophiles out there > > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire > > them? > >In the first place, it's not 90%. Probably, not even 50%. > >As to why, I do have an idea, but discussing it will surely >launch us again into these long interminable arguments... >-- Ron ======================== Ron I agree with you 100% I hate those long interminable arguments. I much prefer short, interminable arguments. ________________ Marc Stager http://marc.stager.com/silver/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From x4x2x at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 19:47:37 2001 From: x4x2x at yahoo.com (Parthenon West) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio Message-ID: Hi, I am thinking about buying a used Nakamichi MR-1. Is this a well liked Nak? Do tapes made on it translate well in other manufacturer's decks? What about visa versa? Any other good and bad info? Relevant nfo or model recommendations on other Naks would be helpful as well. I am considering the MR-1 because of the balanced ins and outs, but this is not a mandatory feature for me. Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and from other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. Thanks for the help, Scott -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Nov 28 20:07:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:07:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio Message-ID: <16c.4b55e33.2936900d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2001 12:50:10 PM Central Standard Time, x4x2x at yahoo.com writes: << Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and from other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. Thanks for the help, Scott >> Hi Scott, I don't know how much you want to spend, what tape types you prefer to record with, or the space you have available so here's my short list of good nak choices: -CR-7 (probably the best recording Nakamichi ever made, but is on the high-end and prices can range from $400- $750 or more. My CR-7 recordings sound wonderful no matter where they are played...hmmmm maybe I should sell mine, it's still under warranty...) -CR-5 (little brother to the CR-7, identical sonically minus the auto-calibration system. Great meters, prices can range from $300 - $600) -BX-300 (little nak secret, offers 3-heads, bias adjust, good build quality, small size, may need idler replacement, these seem to be readily available on eBay for relatively low prices-this body design was incorporated or copied for the MR series) -CR-4 (offers 3-heads, auto-calibration system, small size, and these seem to also be readily available on ebay for low prices) -RX-505 (big nak auto-reverse deck, three heads, bias adjust, owners of this deck seem to be very pleased with its performance, including its recording ability despite it being known for its unique auto-reverse playback mechanism) I'll stop here as I really need more information before continuing. Also, you came to the right place as their is a wealth of experience with virtually every Nak made via this group. Whichever Nak you decide to purchase, I HIGHLY recommend sending it to someone to calibrate, clean and modify if necessary. My CR-7 was serviced and modified and it performs at a high level way beyond my an out-of-the-box" CR-7 and makes recordings that are truly wonderful! I pray this helps you and feel free to ask any question to me directly or via this email distribution list. Have fun looking for and ultimately enjoying your new nak! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 28 20:08:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:08:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT In-Reply-To: <3C044BBD.A6180B02@snet.net> Message-ID: <000701c17840$157f7840$878587d9@a4s1s2> Ed I'm not sure if I'm getting any warmer but ONE of the guys on the Leak list has responded ... but not yet with any details as to where the repairs might be done. He says he needs to know "Ah, but which Sandwiches? How old, how many drivers, what sized drivers, etc. Any maker's model and number?" Dunno why! I'd have thought there either is someone out there repairing these speakers or there isn't! But I thought we'd play along for now as we might learn something useful. Ironically, I probably went to school with the sons of some of the guys who probably could have fixed this for you as I used to live in Downham Market where most (?) of the Leak Sandwich speakers were made in a very small factor. One of Harold Leak's sons, Barry, the factory boss, lived just around the corner from our house. I'll be back .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 28 November 2001 02:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT That would be great! Thanks, Ed Graham Nelson wrote: Hi EdI'll make some enquiries for you - I know some guys on the H J Leak enthusiasts web site who may know.RegardsGraham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 27 November 2001 02:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT I've actually got a pair of the Leak Sandwiches... a most interesting design with the actual cones made of styrofoam and then coated back and front with a dull silvered paper. The actual speaker frames appear to be early Wharfdale... especially the tweeters which are undeniably Wharfdale's. Much as I hate to say it, I've never heard these. The glue that holds the cloth woofer surrounds deteriorated and the voice coils ultimately became angled out of alignment a number of years before I found them. Being that the price was right (free) I grabbed them thinking I'd try to get them repaired some time... anyone know someone who can work on these... I'd love to hear them. Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 28 20:20:18 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:20:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed In-Reply-To: <000701c17840$157f7840$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000f01c17841$b7351040$878587d9@a4s1s2> Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 28 20:45:14 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:45:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed References: <000f01c17841$b7351040$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <015001c17845$33836450$27756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 28 20:57:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:57:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127224159.00ac8a80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001401c17846$edad83a0$878587d9@a4s1s2> You McIntosh fans may like this .... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301726399 ....dribbble.....slobberr....slurrrp .... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 28 21:35:21 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:35:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed In-Reply-To: <015001c17845$33836450$27756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <002001c1784c$32f2b8e0$878587d9@a4s1s2> John Yup, the Sandwich was one of Harold Leak's innovations. So named because of the design, although it would be nice to imagine he got the idea of it when visiting Kent ... But hey! Stop making rude remarks about the Troughline - I've got one! ;o) Luvverly tuner it is, too .... now it's had a cap' replaced and that's burnt in. (Why do these things have to be "burnt in"? I didn't realise it would make any difference with a cap ' - got the thing fixed up with a new cap and was a bit disappointed with the sound but left it on for 3 days and now it sounds great.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Nov 28 21:49:03 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:49:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Dynako PAT-5 References: <002001c1784c$32f2b8e0$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hi Naklovers! Just got old Dynako PAT-5 preamp. Heavily modified by some German diyer. He defenitely knew what to do! All the lytics in a sound path replaced with film caps (10,0 mkf by ROE for example!) He also made absolutely new RIAA circuit. So I'm wondering about original design of PAT-5. Was it good or absolutely bad? And one more question - got semi-tube tuner TRIO TK-500. Any one can point me to the schematic of this old one? Many thanks! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 28 21:56:02 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:56:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed References: <002001c1784c$32f2b8e0$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002f01c1784f$177c34d0$6d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Where is/was Leak based, Yorkshire? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed John Yup, the Sandwich was one of Harold Leak's innovations. So named because of the design, although it would be nice to imagine he got the idea of it when visiting Kent ... But hey! Stop making rude remarks about the Troughline - I've got one! ;o) Luvverly tuner it is, too .... now it's had a cap' replaced and that's burnt in. (Why do these things have to be "burnt in"? I didn't realise it would make any difference with a cap ' - got the thing fixed up with a new cap and was a bit disappointed with the sound but left it on for 3 days and now it sounds great.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 28 22:24:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:24:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Leak In-Reply-To: <002f01c1784f$177c34d0$6d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <003001c17853$1e36a180$878587d9@a4s1s2> The main factory was in London but they had other smaller places in other places. The main speaker factory was in Norfolk, in my old home town of Downham Market. Leak equipment was also made abroad - for example, they set up a factory in Australia where they made some of the gear that was also manufactured in the UK. Some of their items were bought in, too. For example, the Leak turntable was - not surprisingly enough! - a re-badged Lenco L75. It's odd how that TT competed head on with Garrard 301 (and later 401) and Thoren TD124 but - these days - it is not seen in the same light at all. Thus, one can pick up a good Lenco L37 for around £30-£40 (in the UK, at least) but be hard pushed to get a Garrard or Thorens in the same condition for under £200. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 08:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Where is/was Leak based, Yorkshire? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed John Yup, the Sandwich was one of Harold Leak's innovations. So named because of the design, although it would be nice to imagine he got the idea of it when visiting Kent ... But hey! Stop making rude remarks about the Troughline - I've got one! ;o) Luvverly tuner it is, too .... now it's had a cap' replaced and that's burnt in. (Why do these things have to be "burnt in"? I didn't realise it would make any difference with a cap ' - got the thing fixed up with a new cap and was a bit disappointed with the sound but left it on for 3 days and now it sounds great.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Wed Nov 28 22:51:03 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:51:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128164210.01f682e0@mail.verizon.net> At 11/28/01, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am thinking about buying a used Nakamichi MR-1. Is this a well liked >Nak? Do tapes made on it translate well in other manufacturer's >decks? What about visa versa? Any other good and bad info? > >Relevant nfo or model recommendations on other Naks would be helpful as >well. I am considering the MR-1 because of the balanced ins and outs, but >this is not a mandatory feature for me. > >Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and from >other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. > >Thanks for the help, > >Scott I use this deck and find the performance to be excellent. If you find an MR-1B, that version uses the IEC standard eq curve, otherwise the record will be 3 db higher at 15 Khz and it will play - 3 Db at 15K compared to the industry standard. This unfortunate discrepancy is found in all Nak decks except for the MR-1B. Also, be very careful to protect your valuable cassettes from accidental erasure by popping the tab at the rear. The record button on the MR-1 is directly below and adjacent to the play button, and if you are working quickly, it is very easy to make an accidental recording. Very, very stupid design. Also, the bias/eq/level trims are internal, again a very poor design for an allegedly professional machine. Otherwise it is a fine machine. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 23:05:33 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:05:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Computer virus information Message-ID: Hi all, Just thought I'll share this information with you all. My resident antivirus program picked up an e-mail sent (I think) via Naktalk which was infected with the W32.badtrans.B at mm virus. It is apparently a worm virus, according to www.service.symantec.com and installs itself as 2 files called kernel32.exe and kdll.dll Symantecsays this virus has only appeared in the last few days and they are still tracking it, so may not appear on your antivirus program unless it has been updated within the last few days. Of course,if you find the above 2 files in your computer then please delete them. Luckily my computer was not affected as I had just updated my antivirus program and then it showed the virus up immediately when I opened my e-mails! Hope this helps. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Nov 28 23:09:50 2001 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:09:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Message-ID: Yorkshire? Are you pudding, I mean putting, me on? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Now, let's get back in the Troughline. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 11/28/01 03:56PM >>> Where is/was Leak based, Yorkshire? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed John Yup, the Sandwich was one of Harold Leak's innovations. So named because of the design, although it would be nice to imagine he got the idea of it when visiting Kent ... But hey! Stop making rude remarks about the Troughline - I've got one! ;o) Luvverly tuner it is, too .... now it's had a cap' replaced and that's burnt in. (Why do these things have to be "burnt in"? I didn't realise it would make any difference with a cap ' - got the thing fixed up with a new cap and was a bit disappointed with the sound but left it on for 3 days and now it sounds great.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Wed Nov 28 23:21:56 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:21:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B49@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C056386.DB0C8D5A@pacbell.net> Tom, I have about 15 sx-??? pioneer receivers. The sx-??80 seem to fetch a higher price then the sx-??50 series, so don't pay too much for the receivers ending in 50 vs. 80 Brian Stocker Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Thu Nov 29 00:00:21 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:00:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Anthony Calcutt is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 27/11/2001 and will not return until 04/12/2001. I will respond to your message when I get back. For anything urgent you can speak to Karen Botes on (011) 685-9681. All the very best for the new year. Regards Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 29 02:24:05 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:24:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio References: Message-ID: <3C058E35.2B797314@concentric.net> I listened to the MR-1, extensively, many years ago. At the time, I owned a 582 and -- contrary to what the expertss were saying -- I liked it better than the MR-1. I currently own a CR-7, which sounds better than the 582 (and, by extension) must be better than the MR-1. I have put in the equalization upgrade per the Nakamichi instructions and highly recommend it -- not only will recordings sound better on other decks, they actually sound better on the CR-7 itself. (BTW, later model CR-7s already incorporate this upgrade from the factory.) Since sound quality is your #1 consideration, another deck to consider is the Dragon. Especially if tape reversal is a benefit. You indicated balanced I/O was desirable, but not a requirement. While neither of these machines has it, I would inquire with Stephen whether he is amenable to adding this feature. Technically, it's feasible. -- Ron Parthenon West wrote: > > Hi, > > I am thinking about buying a used Nakamichi MR-1. Is this a well > liked Nak? Do tapes made on it translate well in other > manufacturer's decks? What about visa versa? Any other good and bad > info? > > Relevant nfo or model recommendations on other Naks would be helpful > as well. I am considering the MR-1 because of the balanced ins and > outs, but this is not a mandatory feature for me. > > Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and > from other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. > > Thanks for the help, > > Scott > -- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Thu Nov 29 04:32:04 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:32:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... In-Reply-To: <3C02BBE4.6CC6683@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> I know that there is a difference between zip cord and $23,000 cables. There is a difference that is audible, and in status. It all comes down to what you hear (or hopefully not hear when it comes to cables), how it makes you feel about your hobby, what you are willing to pay for it. You may find that a cable that costs $10 has much more sound than one that costs $100. You may be convinced that you can not live without the second cable, or that you can not call yourself a lover of music unless you possess the $100 set of cables. You may or may not be able to afford the second cable. It may be that spending $10,000 cables is worth it to you. I think that we all have a limit of hearing differences somewhere, and we all have a limit of budget. It is a matter of balancing those two things with your perceived value of an object and it's status. I personally would never even consider buying a $23,000 cable (or set, I have forgotten which) but then I would never buy a car that travels at 200 MPH, either. On the other hand, I don't drive a Yugo and I don't use zip cord in my stereo setup. The point here is that different people will place different values on things. So be it. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... Hi Ron, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about whether cables make a difference but I'd like to make one last point. The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely advertising driven. If a potential buyer can't hear the difference, why would 90% of the audiophiles out there part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire them? Certainly not solely because of slick marketing. These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and who am I to tell them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our acuity varies considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, so be it. If they don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in an effort to convince them of what they should hear or own. There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby and all the negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more usefully spent sharing the love of music. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > As long as > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > pay similar prices. > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > in blind ones. > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > Peace, > > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Thu Nov 29 04:35:48 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:35:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV In-Reply-To: <20011126165828.1535.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c17886$efc41380$2102a8c0@henry> They have left that feature in, and they have now fixed the problems with Win 2K and Win XP (thankfully). To make MP3's, though, I recommend Exact Audio Copy and RazorLame (check out www.r3mix.net for more info) Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: MP3 to WAV EZ CD Creator makes it REALLY REALLY EASY to make standard Red Book audio CD from MP3. Just "drag and drop". Yes, just drap the *.MP3 file to the CD window and drop. EZ CD Creator 4 knows that they are MP3's and converts them to CD Audio format on the fly! I would assume they left this feature in Creator 5. I haven't used EZ CD Creator 5, since it does really really bad things to Windows 2000. SJ --- George Valkov wrote: > Apologies for the completely non-analog question, > feel free to reply to me > off-list: can you convert material in MP3 back to > red book CD (WAV?) format, > to be played on a standard CD-player ? More > specifically, can the Easy CD > Creator (Roxio) 5.0 that I have at home do it ? Dumb > question maybe, but I'm > in the office now and can't experiment. > > Thanks in advance to all that will (I hope) respond. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Nov 29 05:05:21 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:05:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Dynako PAT-5 References: <002001c1784c$32f2b8e0$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C05B3FF.47A5D377@snet.net> The PAT-5 was a definite improvement over the rather poor PAT-4 which served as a disappointing replacement for the venerable PAS-3x tube pre. Even so, I would not consider the stock PAT-5 to be a really great pre although I have heard that the later PAT-5 Bi-Fet was pretty decent. Ed Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Naklovers! > > Just got old Dynako PAT-5 preamp. Heavily modified > by some German diyer. He defenitely knew what to do! > All the lytics in a sound path replaced with film caps > (10,0 mkf by ROE for example!) > He also made absolutely new RIAA circuit. So I'm wondering > about original design of PAT-5. Was it good or absolutely bad? > > And one more question - got semi-tube tuner TRIO TK-500. > Any one can point me to the schematic of this old one? > > Many thanks! > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 29 05:31:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:31:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even like this one! (smile) -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Nov 29 05:48:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:48:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio Message-ID: <20011129044810.EKQY2807.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Ron, Do you still have the eq upgrade instruction for CR7 ? If you have a scanned version could you please email that one to me ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM > > I listened to the MR-1, extensively, many years ago. > At the time, I owned a 582 and -- contrary to what > the expertss were saying -- I liked it better than > the MR-1. > > I currently own a CR-7, which sounds better than the > 582 (and, by extension) must be better than the MR-1. > I have put in the equalization upgrade per the Nakamichi > instructions and highly recommend it -- not only will > recordings sound better on other decks, they actually > sound better on the CR-7 itself. (BTW, later model > CR-7s already incorporate this upgrade from the > factory.) > > Since sound quality is your #1 consideration, another > deck to consider is the Dragon. Especially if tape > reversal is a benefit. > > You indicated balanced I/O was desirable, but not a > requirement. While neither of these machines has it, > I would inquire with Stephen whether he is amenable > to adding this feature. Technically, it's feasible. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 06:07:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:07:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio References: Message-ID: <0bf801c17893$c9e77780$403442cf@sank1> Nakamichi decks in general adhere to the original IEC1 standard. Other makers' decks since around 1980 have been made to more or less to the IEC2 standard. This standard was created due to the fact that nobody but Nak was able to make tape heads that had 20kHz response, even being at -20dB, without a large amount of treble equalisation. Nakamichi chose not to use the IEC2 standard a)because they didn't need it, and b)because the heavy treble boost severely increases distortion in the treble at all but very low levels. The B version of the MR1 was created strictly to silence rumours among professional users that Nak-made tapes did not play back correctly on other decks. But, with the evolution of tape heads in general, the incompatibility is all but non-existent, except with really crappy decks that aren't worth using to begin with. So, I would absolutely say you shouldn't worry about finding the rather rare MR-1B. But, you should positively NOT buy an MR-1 unless you have positive confirmation that it has the gear type reel drive mechanism. Fully half of all MR-1's were made before this mech was in the production line, and have the very high-maintenance rubber tire driven reels. The only sure way to confirm gear drive is to have the seller remove the cassette well back plate, a matter of two screws, and show you the white nylon gear sitting smack between the reel tables. The MR-1 is an excellent deck, being a pro version of the BX300. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Parthenon West" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio > Hi, > > I am thinking about buying a used Nakamichi MR-1. Is this a well > liked Nak? Do tapes made on it translate well in other > manufacturer's decks? What about visa versa? Any other good and bad > info? > > Relevant nfo or model recommendations on other Naks would be helpful > as well. I am considering the MR-1 because of the balanced ins and > outs, but this is not a mandatory feature for me. > > Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and > from other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. > > Thanks for the help, > > Scott > -- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Nov 29 06:04:07 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:34:07 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio Message-ID: <000401c17893$46817760$42d60192@vsnl> I feel after using many of these decks , with availability of good many models of Naks at ebay; people can have better choice incase somebody has more money to spare. Any old Nak mechanism would be good choice like 680/ 582 /ZX7-9/ RX505/ Dragon as well as Cr7/ Cr5 with gear mod( also Eq mod). Recording studio should have a Nak which is better sounding with bias/ level calibration facility than Balanced input ! But if the funds are limited and the use is also limited MR1 with Gear mod will do Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio >Nakamichi decks in general adhere to the original IEC1 standard. Other >makers' decks since around 1980 have been made to more or less to the IEC2 >standard. This standard was created due to the fact that nobody but Nak was >able to make tape heads that had 20kHz response, even being at -20dB, >without a large amount of treble equalisation. Nakamichi chose not to use >the IEC2 standard a)because they didn't need it, and b)because the heavy >treble boost severely increases distortion in the treble at all but very low >levels. The B version of the MR1 was created strictly to silence rumours >among professional users that Nak-made tapes did not play back correctly on >other decks. But, with the evolution of tape heads in general, the >incompatibility is all but non-existent, except with really crappy decks >that aren't worth using to begin with. So, I would absolutely say you >shouldn't worry about finding the rather rare MR-1B. >But, you should positively NOT buy an MR-1 unless you have positive >confirmation that it has the gear type reel drive mechanism. Fully half of >all MR-1's were made before this mech was in the production line, and have >the very high-maintenance rubber tire driven reels. The only sure way to >confirm gear drive is to have the seller remove the cassette well back >plate, a matter of two screws, and show you the white nylon gear sitting >smack between the reel tables. >The MR-1 is an excellent deck, being a pro version of the BX300. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Parthenon West" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:47 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio > > >> Hi, >> >> I am thinking about buying a used Nakamichi MR-1. Is this a well >> liked Nak? Do tapes made on it translate well in other >> manufacturer's decks? What about visa versa? Any other good and bad >> info? >> >> Relevant nfo or model recommendations on other Naks would be helpful >> as well. I am considering the MR-1 because of the balanced ins and >> outs, but this is not a mandatory feature for me. >> >> Most important is 1) great sound, 2) integrity of translation to and >> from other other manufacturer's decks and 3) reliability. >> >> Thanks for the help, >> >> Scott >> -- >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 06:35:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:35:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> A guy posted to rec.audio.pro Usenet newsgroup just a few days ago, with his "horror" that he found out that "us people"(audiophiles) are paying $300-400 for RCA cables, to which there were many similar reactions from various recordists & musicians in studio-land. I resisted the temptation to inform him that "us people" often buy RCA cables for $3000-4000 & more. Personally, I agree that it is total B.S. to charge thousands of dollars for cables. However, I do find it rational to pay several hundred dollars for cables in which I both see advantage in their design & hear advantage to in a system. For me, LAT fits this niche in all categories(except for the digital cable, which is not quite as good as those I make), and I have yet to find cables, even comparing with multi-thousand dollar cables, that are definitely better. In at least 3/4 of the comparisons I have done, the far more expensive cables were audibly inferior to these $100-400 LAT cables. (for the sake of anyone's curiosity, http://latinternational.com) An this was true even in instances, such as Nordost, where I fully expected the expensive cable to sound better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > I know that there is a difference between zip cord and $23,000 cables. > There is a difference that is audible, and in status. > > It all comes down to what you hear (or hopefully not hear when it comes > to cables), how it makes you feel about your hobby, what you are willing > to pay for it. You may find that a cable that costs $10 has much more > sound than one that costs $100. You may be convinced that you can not > live without the second cable, or that you can not call yourself a lover > of music unless you possess the $100 set of cables. You may or may not > be able to afford the second cable. It may be that spending $10,000 > cables is worth it to you. > > I think that we all have a limit of hearing differences somewhere, and > we all have a limit of budget. It is a matter of balancing those two > things with your perceived value of an object and it's status. > > I personally would never even consider buying a $23,000 cable (or set, I > have forgotten which) but then I would never buy a car that travels at > 200 MPH, either. On the other hand, I don't drive a Yugo and I don't > use zip cord in my stereo setup. > > The point here is that different people will place different values on > things. So be it. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > Hi Ron, > > I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about whether cables make a > difference but I'd > like to make one last point. > > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely advertising > driven. If a > potential buyer can't hear the difference, why would 90% of the > audiophiles out there > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire them? > Certainly not solely > because of slick marketing. > > These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and > who am I to tell > them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our > acuity varies > considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, > so be it. If they > don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in > an effort to > convince them of what they should hear or own. > > There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby > and all the > negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more > usefully spent sharing > the love of music. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > > > As long as > > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > > pay similar prices. > > > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > > in blind ones. > > > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 06:37:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:37:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c2101c17897$fc240b60$403442cf@sank1> Gee whiz, the yutz only wants 85 percent of retail. You could easily buy it new as a leftover still for that price. Great amp, though, for sure. And sexy as hell. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even like > this one! (smile) > > -Sam > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 06:39:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:39:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio References: <20011129044810.EKQY2807.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <0c2701c17898$27a6f5e0$403442cf@sank1> I can do that for you, Salim. Know that it only applies to CR-7's below serial A130-08677, though. After that number, it was done in production. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio > > Hi Ron, > > Do you still have the eq upgrade instruction for CR7 ? If you have a > scanned version could you please email that one to me ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > > I listened to the MR-1, extensively, many years ago. > > At the time, I owned a 582 and -- contrary to what > > the expertss were saying -- I liked it better than > > the MR-1. > > > > I currently own a CR-7, which sounds better than the > > 582 (and, by extension) must be better than the MR-1. > > I have put in the equalization upgrade per the Nakamichi > > instructions and highly recommend it -- not only will > > recordings sound better on other decks, they actually > > sound better on the CR-7 itself. (BTW, later model > > CR-7s already incorporate this upgrade from the > > factory.) > > > > Since sound quality is your #1 consideration, another > > deck to consider is the Dragon. Especially if tape > > reversal is a benefit. > > > > You indicated balanced I/O was desirable, but not a > > requirement. While neither of these machines has it, > > I would inquire with Stephen whether he is amenable > > to adding this feature. Technically, it's feasible. > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Nov 29 06:51:36 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:51:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Anyone have print for McIntosh MR71 References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C05CCDE.354ADD0D@snet.net> I've been working on restoring an MR71 and am at a point where I need the schematic for it. Does anyone have this and can send a copy? Also, I'd be curious to what the differences are between this and the MR65B. Thanks, Ed PS Stephen's right... the LAT cables ran circles around the AudioQuest and MIT that I was using in the system. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Nov 29 07:01:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:01:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <106.96b6a62.29372950@aol.com> In a message dated 11/28/2001 11:36:52 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Gee whiz, the yutz only wants 85 percent of retail. You could easily buy it new as a leftover still for that price. Great amp, though, for sure. And sexy as hell. >> Yes, it is Stephen. But as big and heavy as a tank! I understand that McIntosh enjoys a high used resale value, and often is sold for more than retail. What preamp would you recommend using with that amp. Who knows, maybe you'll make a separates-man out of me yet. Although, I would imagine the speakers needed to enjoy this amp's power would also be enormous. (LOL) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 07:13:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:13:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Anyone have print for McIntosh MR71 References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05CCDE.354ADD0D@snet.net> Message-ID: <0c8401c1789d$005bcf60$403442cf@sank1> I have it, of course. Rather than scan it in pieces, I'd rather go do a single 11"x17" xerox & mail it to you, though. And I think I'll get to it faster. Scanner's constantly getting buried by stuff here at home. Email me a reminder off-list. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Anyone have print for McIntosh MR71 > > I've been working on restoring an MR71 and am at a point where I need the schematic > for it. Does anyone have this and can send a copy? Also, I'd be curious to what the > differences are between this and the MR65B. > > Thanks, > Ed > > PS Stephen's right... the LAT cables ran circles around the AudioQuest and MIT that I > was using in the system. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 07:15:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:15:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Anyone have print for McIntosh MR71 References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05CCDE.354ADD0D@snet.net> Message-ID: <0c8c01c1789d$4b21f600$403442cf@sank1> Forgot. The MR-65B, which is much more an MR71 than the MR67, differs very little from the 71 & can be made to sound just as good. The only significant difference, other than the obvious, is the big SCA filter can on the 71, which is really of negligible impact to the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Anyone have print for McIntosh MR71 > > I've been working on restoring an MR71 and am at a point where I need the schematic > for it. Does anyone have this and can send a copy? Also, I'd be curious to what the > differences are between this and the MR65B. > > Thanks, > Ed > > PS Stephen's right... the LAT cables ran circles around the AudioQuest and MIT that I > was using in the system. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 07:47:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:47:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <106.96b6a62.29372950@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c9601c178a1$c1887d60$403442cf@sank1> While the MC500 is great & sexy, it is not yet in the "classics" league, where Mac's are often fetching above original retail. I think that his opening bid of $4k is the max he can possibly expect to get, unless he gets really lucky. And I don't believe one needs huge speakers to get full appreciation of the amp's capabilities. I'd start off with no preamp or a very, very good passive unit. On actives, I would minimally use an original C-22 with Amperex tubes, and ideally use a radical-rebuild Moscode Minuet. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > In a message dated 11/28/2001 11:36:52 PM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Gee whiz, the yutz only wants 85 percent of retail. You could easily buy > it > new as a leftover still for that price. Great amp, though, for sure. And > sexy as hell. >> > > Yes, it is Stephen. But as big and heavy as a tank! I understand that > McIntosh enjoys a high used resale value, and often is sold for more than > retail. What preamp would you recommend using with that amp. Who knows, > maybe you'll make a separates-man out of me yet. Although, I would imagine > the speakers needed to enjoy this amp's power would also be enormous. (LOL) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even like > this one! (smile) > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 08:52:47 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:52:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare and unnaturally fast. Anyone else? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > A guy posted to rec.audio.pro Usenet newsgroup just a few days ago, with his > "horror" that he found out that "us people"(audiophiles) are paying $300-400 > for RCA cables, to which there were many similar reactions from various > recordists & musicians in studio-land. I resisted the temptation to inform > him that "us people" often buy RCA cables for $3000-4000 & more. > Personally, I agree that it is total B.S. to charge thousands of dollars for > cables. However, I do find it rational to pay several hundred dollars for > cables in which I both see advantage in their design & hear advantage to in > a system. For me, LAT fits this niche in all categories(except for the > digital cable, which is not quite as good as those I make), and I have yet > to find cables, even comparing with multi-thousand dollar cables, that are > definitely better. In at least 3/4 of the comparisons I have done, the far > more expensive cables were audibly inferior to these $100-400 LAT cables. > (for the sake of anyone's curiosity, http://latinternational.com) An this > was true even in instances, such as Nordost, where I fully expected the > expensive cable to sound better. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy H. Jackson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:32 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > > I know that there is a difference between zip cord and $23,000 cables. > > There is a difference that is audible, and in status. > > > > It all comes down to what you hear (or hopefully not hear when it comes > > to cables), how it makes you feel about your hobby, what you are willing > > to pay for it. You may find that a cable that costs $10 has much more > > sound than one that costs $100. You may be convinced that you can not > > live without the second cable, or that you can not call yourself a lover > > of music unless you possess the $100 set of cables. You may or may not > > be able to afford the second cable. It may be that spending $10,000 > > cables is worth it to you. > > > > I think that we all have a limit of hearing differences somewhere, and > > we all have a limit of budget. It is a matter of balancing those two > > things with your perceived value of an object and it's status. > > > > I personally would never even consider buying a $23,000 cable (or set, I > > have forgotten which) but then I would never buy a car that travels at > > 200 MPH, either. On the other hand, I don't drive a Yugo and I don't > > use zip cord in my stereo setup. > > > > The point here is that different people will place different values on > > things. So be it. > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Jim Volpatti > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about whether cables make a > > difference but I'd > > like to make one last point. > > > > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely advertising > > driven. If a > > potential buyer can't hear the difference, why would 90% of the > > audiophiles out there > > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire them? > > Certainly not solely > > because of slick marketing. > > > > These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and > > who am I to tell > > them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our > > acuity varies > > considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, > > so be it. If they > > don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in > > an effort to > > convince them of what they should hear or own. > > > > There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby > > and all the > > negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more > > usefully spent sharing > > the love of music. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > > > > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > > > > > As long as > > > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > > > pay similar prices. > > > > > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > > > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > > > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > > > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > > > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > > > in blind ones. > > > > > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 09:07:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:07:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0d1501c178ac$d6075f80$403442cf@sank1> I'd agree on the Nordost of Blue Heaven range & below. Much less true of the Red Dawn. The SPM Ref are full-bodied, pretty much, but still rather excessively detailed somehow on top. Have not yet heard the QuatroFil, which is a total departure from most of their design philosophy. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare and unnaturally > fast. > > Anyone else? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > A guy posted to rec.audio.pro Usenet newsgroup just a few days ago, with his > > "horror" that he found out that "us people"(audiophiles) are paying $300-400 > > for RCA cables, to which there were many similar reactions from various > > recordists & musicians in studio-land. I resisted the temptation to inform > > him that "us people" often buy RCA cables for $3000-4000 & more. > > Personally, I agree that it is total B.S. to charge thousands of dollars for > > cables. However, I do find it rational to pay several hundred dollars for > > cables in which I both see advantage in their design & hear advantage to in > > a system. For me, LAT fits this niche in all categories(except for the > > digital cable, which is not quite as good as those I make), and I have yet > > to find cables, even comparing with multi-thousand dollar cables, that are > > definitely better. In at least 3/4 of the comparisons I have done, the far > > more expensive cables were audibly inferior to these $100-400 LAT cables. > > (for the sake of anyone's curiosity, http://latinternational.com) An this > > was true even in instances, such as Nordost, where I fully expected the > > expensive cable to sound better. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Timothy H. Jackson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:32 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > > I know that there is a difference between zip cord and $23,000 cables. > > > There is a difference that is audible, and in status. > > > > > > It all comes down to what you hear (or hopefully not hear when it comes > > > to cables), how it makes you feel about your hobby, what you are willing > > > to pay for it. You may find that a cable that costs $10 has much more > > > sound than one that costs $100. You may be convinced that you can not > > > live without the second cable, or that you can not call yourself a lover > > > of music unless you possess the $100 set of cables. You may or may not > > > be able to afford the second cable. It may be that spending $10,000 > > > cables is worth it to you. > > > > > > I think that we all have a limit of hearing differences somewhere, and > > > we all have a limit of budget. It is a matter of balancing those two > > > things with your perceived value of an object and it's status. > > > > > > I personally would never even consider buying a $23,000 cable (or set, I > > > have forgotten which) but then I would never buy a car that travels at > > > 200 MPH, either. On the other hand, I don't drive a Yugo and I don't > > > use zip cord in my stereo setup. > > > > > > The point here is that different people will place different values on > > > things. So be it. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > > > Of Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:02 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > > (US)... > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > I'm more than happy to agree to disagree about whether cables make a > > > difference but I'd > > > like to make one last point. > > > > > > The perceived improvement that cables make is not solely advertising > > > driven. If a > > > potential buyer can't hear the difference, why would 90% of the > > > audiophiles out there > > > part with hundreds or even thousands of dollars to acquire them? > > > Certainly not solely > > > because of slick marketing. > > > > > > These guys swear that they hear an improvement with better cables and > > > who am I to tell > > > them that they are wrong. We all perceive sound differently and our > > > acuity varies > > > considerably. If guys hear an improvement and want to spend the money, > > > so be it. If they > > > don't, that's fine too. I'm certainly won't hold a gun to their head in > > > an effort to > > > convince them of what they should hear or own. > > > > > > There is plenty of room for believers and non-believers in this hobby > > > and all the > > > negative energy spent in an effort to convert others could be more > > > usefully spent sharing > > > the love of music. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The price of a cable is driven by the perceived value, > > > > > not the cost involved in producing it. > > > > > > > > Exactly, with the operative word being 'perceived'. > > > > > > > > > As long as > > > > > quality cables continue to offer improvements similar > > > > > in magnitude to a component upgrade, audiophiles will > > > > > pay similar prices. > > > > > > > > No. 'As long as cables offer PERCEIVED improvements' > > > > is more like it. But perception is *purely* advertising > > > > driven and has nothing to do with actual improvement. > > > > Which is why cables are heard to make an enormous > > > > improvement in sighted tests and no improvement at all > > > > in blind ones. > > > > > > > > Oh, wellllll... Let's just agree to disagree. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 29 09:10:33 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:10:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> I don't know, the last time I listened to Nordost the sound was so fast the song was over before I had a chance to listen to it :-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare and unnaturally > fast. > > Anyone else? > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 09:13:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:13:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> I can't imagine you heard an MC500 as "slow & rolled off". The output autoformers in Mac amps are of rather gargantuan proportions, and are flat down to nearly DC(3 or 4Hz) & up way past 25kHz. Technically, yes, it lets the amp see a constant load. Experientially, it means two things. 1)The back-force EMF from the driver cone/diaphragm mass(i.e., the speaker acting like an electric generator due to mass-induced overshoot) is literally shorted to ground, rather than getting into the feedback loop & causing transient smear/phase distortion. 2)You can dump ass-loads more power into a speaker than it's rating without hurting it. I once demo'd an MC2255(rated 250w/ch, actual 387w/ch on bench test) for a loud-listening customer. I played it so loud, that it was nailing the Powerguard lights. Meaning I was hitting 387watts on the peaks. This was inflicted upon a cheapass pair of Jamo speakers, rated at 40watts power handling. No damage occurred. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue to use autoformers > on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I understand technically that they want > the output section of the amp to see a constant load, no matter what speaker is > connected, but those yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation sure > seems to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps they wish to > continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > Any thoughts? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even like > > this one! (smile) > > > > -Sam > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 09:16:49 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:16:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C05EEF1.C394F7AC@earthlink.net> LOL!! Warren wrote: > I don't know, the last time I listened to Nordost the > sound was so fast the song was over before I had a chance > to listen to it :-) > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > > I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare and > unnaturally > > fast. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 09:28:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:28:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <0d3201c178af$e20d0ac0$403442cf@sank1> Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & etc. is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter the tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > I don't know, the last time I listened to Nordost the > sound was so fast the song was over before I had a chance > to listen to it :-) > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > > > I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare and > unnaturally > > fast. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 09:35:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:35:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> I guess those autoformers filter all that odd order high frequency crap that solid state amps produce when they clip. I don't know exactly how Powerguard works but I suspect that it too helped in protected the speakers from damage. Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, it's forced back through the speaker cable into the output sections of the amp. I tend to prefer amplifiers with no global feedback and little to no local feedback in the output section so the interaction in the amplifier is minimal. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I can't imagine you heard an MC500 as "slow & rolled off". The output > autoformers in Mac amps are of rather gargantuan proportions, and are flat > down to nearly DC(3 or 4Hz) & up way past 25kHz. Technically, yes, it lets > the amp see a constant load. Experientially, it means two things. 1)The > back-force EMF from the driver cone/diaphragm mass(i.e., the speaker acting > like an electric generator due to mass-induced overshoot) is literally > shorted to ground, rather than getting into the feedback loop & causing > transient smear/phase distortion. 2)You can dump ass-loads more power into > a speaker than it's rating without hurting it. I once demo'd an > MC2255(rated 250w/ch, actual 387w/ch on bench test) for a loud-listening > customer. I played it so loud, that it was nailing the Powerguard lights. > Meaning I was hitting 387watts on the peaks. This was inflicted upon a > cheapass pair of Jamo speakers, rated at 40watts power handling. No damage > occurred. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & etc. > is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. > I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter the > tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 10:09:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:09:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> <0d3201c178af$e20d0ac0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F535.250E0E24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0d4b01c178b5$84866b20$403442cf@sank1> I rather thought that's what they mean, but it's such a distortion/misapplication of words, that I found it rather an annoying usage. It would be more accurate to refer to transient response or attack. But, rather than being annoyed, I prefer to believe that they are all simply smoking crack. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > To me, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) relates to the rise time (speed) and damping > factor (the ability of the amplifier to control the movement of the speaker's > drivers). I'm sure there are other design issues (i.e. signal path caps' ability to > charge and discharge fast enough to keep up the music) but I ain't no designer. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & etc. > > is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. > > I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter the > > tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm looking for a amplifier receiver from the late 70's early 80's, but I don't want to spend too much on it. It is only going to be a spare to be used in my study. I've seen some Onkyo units for sale, are they good/bad? I have been bitten by the receiver/amp bug, and hopefully will get one soon. I wish I had enough money to purchase from America but the shipment cost would be high, and as I have written before Australia is kind of a "sleepy hollow" when it comes to the second hand market on such equipment. I will continue my quest and let you know what I find. I hope I have not bored you with this read and Brian thank for sharing your views, I really appreciate it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: britri at pacbell.net [mailto:britri at pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 9:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Tom, I have about 15 sx-??? pioneer receivers. The sx-??80 seem to fetch a higher price then the sx-??50 series, so don't pay too much for the receivers ending in 50 vs. 80 Brian Stocker Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Nov 29 13:22:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:22:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio References: <20011129044810.EKQY2807.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <0c2701c17898$27a6f5e0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004901c178d0$8731c0c0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen and Ron, My CR7 number is A130-14484 so I guess it's all there. Thanks for the info ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for a Cassette Deck for my Recording Studio > I can do that for you, Salim. Know that it only applies to CR-7's below > serial A130-08677, though. After that number, it was done in production. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 29 14:55:09 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:55:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> Message-ID: <006501c178dd$761b7120$11756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Sam Now that is nothing but beautiful! I used the 'buy it now' feature and charged it to your Platinum American Express card! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even like > this one! (smile) > > -Sam > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 29 15:52:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:52:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > [...] > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > output sections of the amp. Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things wrong with it. First, during speaker operation, precious little back EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to move by an *external* force. Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF is actually generated and using real world numbers), if a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover filters it out. All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to sighted tests, where the perceived difference is proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that route before... ) -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Nov 29 16:03:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:03:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> <0d3201c178af$e20d0ac0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F535.250E0E24@earthlink.net> <0d4b01c178b5$84866b20$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C064E4A.86E3BFA2@concentric.net> I agree with you there. Audiophile subjectivists tend to use psychological terms to describe physical attributes of sound and/or equipment. Thus, they talk not only about 'fast sound' but also use 'delicate high frequencies', 'Robust lows', 'polite sound', 'airy treble', 'intrusive mid frequencies', 'warm sound' etc. As good as all these sound, they are pretty useless in actually describing a sound, since they mean different things to different people. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I rather thought that's what they mean, but it's such a > distortion/misapplication of words, that I found it rather an annoying > usage. It would be more accurate to refer to transient response or attack. > But, rather than being annoyed, I prefer to believe that they are all simply > smoking crack. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > > To me, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) relates to the rise time (speed) and > damping > > factor (the ability of the amplifier to control the movement of the > speaker's > > drivers). I'm sure there are other design issues (i.e. signal path caps' > ability to > > charge and discharge fast enough to keep up the music) but I ain't no > designer. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & > etc. > > > is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. > > > I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter > the > > > tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 16:36:21 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:36:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> Well The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower You could always tap into it! Or you could get their SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound unless your prepared to AB. Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue to > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I > understand technically that they want the output section of the amp to > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but those > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation sure seems > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps they > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > Any thoughts? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I > > even like > > this one! (smile) > > > > -Sam > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 16:54:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:54:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0d7e01c178ee$176c2f00$403442cf@sank1> When you're talking about a heavy diaphragm mass, such as a 12" woofer, moving at up to 1000 cps, there is, in fact, a very significant amount of back EMF generated, especially significant when it is re-amplified in the feedback loop of the amplifier. Hence, the larger the speaker drivers, the more this is a factor. And the more an amp uses feedback(unless autoformer coupled) the more this is a factor. Also, of course, the lower the damping factor on direct-coupled amps, the worse the effect is. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > [...] > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > output sections of the amp. > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > wrong with it. > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > move by an *external* force. > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > filters it out. > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > route before... ) > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Nov 29 17:06:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:06:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01A99FFA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0d9a01c178ef$cf6c9080$403442cf@sank1> To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > Wow! You say that you own 15 of them!!! That must be something to look at. I love looking at the older units because I think that the new units lack the sexy and "WOW" look of the ol' days. I love units that light up like a small Vegas, I also love analog meters rather than LED. These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very young and going over to relatives who owned such units, they would be talking catching up on things and there I would be sitting in front of the equipment in awe. I'm looking for a amplifier receiver from the late 70's early 80's, but I don't want to spend too much on it. It is only going to be a spare to be used in my study. I've seen some Onkyo units for sale, are they good/bad? > > I have been bitten by the receiver/amp bug, and hopefully will get one soon. I wish I had enough money to purchase from America but the shipment cost would be high, and as I have written before Australia is kind of a "sleepy hollow" when it comes to the second hand market on such equipment. I will continue my quest and let you know what I find. > > I hope I have not bored you with this read and Brian thank for sharing your views, I really appreciate it. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: britri at pacbell.net [mailto:britri at pacbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 9:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > > > Tom, > I have about 15 sx-??? pioneer receivers. The sx-??80 seem to fetch a higher price then the sx-??50 series, so don't pay too much > for the receivers ending in 50 vs. 80 > > Brian Stocker > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 17:55:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:55:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable disagreements.... LOL I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > [...] > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > output sections of the amp. > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > wrong with it. > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > move by an *external* force. > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > filters it out. > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > route before... ) > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 18:00:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:00:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C06699A.C48EA43D@earthlink.net> I have AB Mac amps, and they sound consistently too mellow, too laid back, too slow and rolled off to me. I know that many here enjoy them so I'll just leave it at that. Jim Volpatti Javier Perez wrote: > Well > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > unless your prepared to AB. > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I guess my old > rule-of-thumb still holds up in this modern age of equipment: what your ear > likes is what you go with. Thanks for the chuckle. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Nov 29 18:21:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:21:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, I spotted one possible cause of 'rewind' problem on 682, where auto a/l "off" timer kick in earlier than "okay" or rewind timer. Might root from other a/l chain though, but with two motors already settled at a position, I substituted a resistor on 4558 timer to shorten the "ok" period and now a/l is working fine and rewind tape back to 0. Does 14 sec for a/l setting period seem normal ? >From ZX service manual, looks like that deck is essentially a 682 without auto adjustment, is that correct ? What made a ZX7 more special than 682 ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > While it may not be normal, noise in the 400Hz tone at -60dB is well below > the noise level required for the tone's intended purpose. So, it's really > nothing to worry about. But... If you've replaced everything in the > circuit, I'd suggest two things. First, add 470uf or more of electrolytic > caps on the supply lines at the tone osc circuit, along with 0.1uf or more > of polyester or better film caps. Second, and this is good to do for the > audio anyway, replace the rectifier diode bridge for the audio power supply > with soft-recovery diodes from IRC, Harris or IXYS. If you still have the > noise, do yourself a favor, and stop worrying about it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Nov 29 18:31:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:31:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak auto decks Message-ID: <003601c178fb$a9e70aa0$68289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Having had enough with nak auto settings, I remember my 'modern' sony double deck that never failed to do auto bias and level adjustment in 10 seconds ... and it's not even a 3 head deck ! I came to think that beside ZXL's special pb amp, one of its strongest point is auto adjustment and probably main reason for its $3800 price tag ... wouldn't it be great to have such compact sony style processor on a real nak transport like LX5, and make every old naks almost as good as ZXL ?? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 29 19:10:58 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mcintosh References: <009401c178f7$2b0493a0$98021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00a801c17901$327a7960$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> Its an interesting thread in the sense its a bunch of guys pissing in the dark but the topic "Why do no audio enthusiasts use McIntosh? " is a bit of a straw man because obviously a lot of audio enthusiasts use McIntosh its just that they don't hang out on audiogon and listen to a bunch of third rate audio geeks. This list at least centers around those of us who have actually heard and used Nakamichi stuff so disagreements (or agreements) come from some foundation of actual experience not just rehashing what was said in stereophile or TAS. my two cents Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mcintosh As there is much discussion on Mac lately, a current thread has just started on Audiogon that some may find interesting to follow. http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1006995105&2&3&4& Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 29 19:14:12 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:14:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Leak References: <003001c17853$1e36a180$878587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003701c17901$a60d1d10$11756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Arrgh! Norfolk, my sister and I had two nice summer vacations at Cromer many years back, wonderful except for that North Sea wind. Do you remember the Lenco fluid record cleaner that would track an lp album like my favorite Dust Bug? Nakamichi spoken here. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Leak The main factory was in London but they had other smaller places in other places. The main speaker factory was in Norfolk, in my old home town of Downham Market. Leak equipment was also made abroad - for example, they set up a factory in Australia where they made some of the gear that was also manufactured in the UK. Some of their items were bought in, too. For example, the Leak turntable was - not surprisingly enough! - a re-badged Lenco L75. It's odd how that TT competed head on with Garrard 301 (and later 401) and Thoren TD124 but - these days - it is not seen in the same light at all. Thus, one can pick up a good Lenco L37 for around £30-£40 (in the UK, at least) but be hard pushed to get a Garrard or Thorens in the same condition for under £200. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 08:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Where is/was Leak based, Yorkshire? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed John Yup, the Sandwich was one of Harold Leak's innovations. So named because of the design, although it would be nice to imagine he got the idea of it when visiting Kent ... But hey! Stop making rude remarks about the Troughline - I've got one! ;o) Luvverly tuner it is, too .... now it's had a cap' replaced and that's burnt in. (Why do these things have to be "burnt in"? I didn't realise it would make any difference with a cap ' - got the thing fixed up with a new cap and was a bit disappointed with the sound but left it on for 3 days and now it sounds great.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 28 November 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Hey we enjoyed it. I have a friend who lives in Sandwich, Kent. Wasn't Sandwich another Leak speaker model? I always get a kick out of "Trough Line" wondering if it was where the pigs line up to eat ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Piston Speakers: OT Message to Ed Ooops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been sent to Ed's private mail box, not for the list - my apologies. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 29 19:24:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... In-Reply-To: <3C05F535.250E0E24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c17903$0d74b660$4ebd87d9@a4s1s2> Jim You'd not want to use the mnemonic PRAT in the UK - it means something altogether unflattering! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 29 November 2001 08:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... To me, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) relates to the rise time (speed) and damping factor (the ability of the amplifier to control the movement of the speaker's drivers). I'm sure there are other design issues (i.e. signal path caps' ability to charge and discharge fast enough to keep up the music) but I ain't no designer. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 29 19:48:10 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:48:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Leak In-Reply-To: <003701c17901$a60d1d10$11756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <000b01c17906$647a8400$4ebd87d9@a4s1s2> John In Norfolk we call that wind the Lazy Wind .... because it doesn't go around you but straight through! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 29 November 2001 06:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Leak Arrgh! Norfolk, my sister and I had two nice summer vacations at Cromer many years back, wonderful except for that North Sea wind. Do you remember the Lenco fluid record cleaner that would track an lp album like my favorite Dust Bug? Nakamichi spoken here. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 20:17:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:17:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <000301c17903$0d74b660$4ebd87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0689D2.E0EB4AAE@earthlink.net> Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe such things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me privately, if need be. LOL Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > You'd not want to use the mnemonic PRAT in the UK - it means something > altogether unflattering! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 29 November 2001 08:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > To me, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) relates to the rise time (speed) and > damping > factor (the ability of the amplifier to control the movement of the > speaker's > drivers). I'm sure there are other design issues (i.e. signal path caps' > ability to > charge and discharge fast enough to keep up the music) but I ain't no > designer. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Nov 29 21:42:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:42:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT In-Reply-To: <3C0689D2.E0EB4AAE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and without fear of blasphemy!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe such things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me privately, if need be. LOL Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Nov 29 22:00:43 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:00:43 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B6A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you Stephen & Brian for you comments and feedback, very much appreciated. Stephen I would love to own the Sansui units that you speak of but here in Australia they are either rare as hens teeth or those that own these beauties will hang on to them for life. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 3:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > Wow! You say that you own 15 of them!!! That must be something to look at. I love looking at the older units because I think that the new units lack the sexy and "WOW" look of the ol' days. I love units that light up like a small Vegas, I also love analog meters rather than LED. These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very young and going over to relatives who owned such units, they would be talking catching up on things and there I would be sitting in front of the equipment in awe. I'm looking for a amplifier receiver from the late 70's early 80's, but I don't want to spend too much on it. It is only going to be a spare to be used in my study. I've seen some Onkyo units for sale, are they good/bad? > > I have been bitten by the receiver/amp bug, and hopefully will get one soon. I wish I had enough money to purchase from America but the shipment cost would be high, and as I have written before Australia is kind of a "sleepy hollow" when it comes to the second hand market on such equipment. I will continue my quest and let you know what I find. > > I hope I have not bored you with this read and Brian thank for sharing your views, I really appreciate it. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: britri at pacbell.net [mailto:britri at pacbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2001 9:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > > > Tom, > I have about 15 sx-??? pioneer receivers. The sx-??80 seem to fetch a higher price then the sx-??50 series, so don't pay too much > for the receivers ending in 50 vs. 80 > > Brian Stocker > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know about the SX-450 Receiver/amp. Is it any good? Your comments/views about this receiver are most welcomed. > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 22:53:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:53:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C06AE56.153EAAD4@earthlink.net> OK, I understand. Prat = lout. LOL It's obviously a slang term because I just looked up the word in the dictionary and it indicates it as such. However, according to Webster's University Dictionary, prat = buttocks. I suppose that is the nature of slang: the definition changes with location or culture, although an ass, an idiot, a fool are all very similar. = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe > such > things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. > > So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me > privately, if > need be. LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 00:04:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:04:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <123.8377f62.293818e6@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2001 7:57:55 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Sam Now that is nothing but beautiful! I used the 'buy it now' feature and charged it to your Platinum American Express card! John >> It is beautiful, but I canceled the charge. :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Nov 30 00:03:28 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:03:28 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Trying to send a copy of the ZX9 manual. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B75@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, I am trying to send Bigbear a copy of the zx9 manual. I have the manual in 7-1meg files and it's still being rejected. Is there a way I can post this anywhere for naktalk public access? Regard Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 00:10:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:10:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: <35.1eb58be1.29381a69@aol.com> In a message dated 11/29/2001 10:06:24 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. >> So Stephen, how would you rate the Marantz 2500 and 2600 monster receivers against the Sansui units you mentioned above? _Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 00:17:22 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:17:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C06C202.E56FA77F@yahoo.com> Ok I'll start a more interesting fight Here's something I may have touched on before but have never been able to reach a conclusion about so here goes I believe that it may be possible to produce a tremendous sonic improvement in some EARLY SS units by simply replacing the TO-3 outputs with modern Xref devices. I have nothing scientific to base this on but have had this one experience. A few years ago I set out to improve my HH-Scott 260 early integrated SS unit. Almost as an exercise I decided to replace the old (QP-8?) outputs with modern, roughly matched if not selected MJ15024s. Those of you who are into this will recognize the 15024s as the standard work horses of the high powered amp business. They can take lots of current without blowing but are not considered exotic by any means. Anyway, the minute I dropped the 15024s in, the sonic improvement was astounding. No careful listening was needed to discern it. Instantly the 260 went from sounding like a cheap table radio to well, a high end boombox maybe:))). Most of the harshness was gone and the thing was bearable if not sweet. I tried a batch of cheaper 2 dollar 2n3055s from the rat shack with the same results. Immediately I assumed the old devices were leaky but they all tested out ok. Perhaps they had been overdriven I then figured, but this is an old style cap coupled output amp as are most of the early SS units and it's very difficult to present the outputs with a very low impedance loads particularly at low frequencies. You'de really have to drive the crap out of it. I was stumped and still am. Whatever the case I then set out to replace every conceivable cap and transistor on the unit with the best (cheap) stuff I could find. IE: no exotic caps or devices, I value my money you know. There was a additional improvement but hardly discernable. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed something like this. If it's not isolated it may indeed be possible to drastically improve some early SS designs! That in itself is an interesting prospect since there's nothing else built like many of those early squalid state units. Any opinions???? Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable > disagreements.... > > LOL > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > wrong with it. > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > move by an *external* force. > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > filters it out. > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > route before... ) > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 30 00:26:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:26:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT In-Reply-To: <3C06AE56.153EAAD4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000b01c1792d$50ca29c0$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> Jim Such an education we're giving folks here abouts!! ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 29 November 2001 09:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT OK, I understand. Prat = lout. LOL It's obviously a slang term because I just looked up the word in the dictionary and it indicates it as such. However, according to Webster's University Dictionary, prat = buttocks. I suppose that is the nature of slang: the definition changes with location or culture, although an ass, an idiot, a fool are all very similar. = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 00:37:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:37:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - McIntosh appeal Message-ID: <121.7f82aec.293820a2@aol.com> I can't speak for anyone but myself, so for me I believe this gentlemen's comments from Audiogon sum-up the McIntosh appeal. Enjoy! -Sam Why do no audio enthusiasts use McIntosh? To McIntosh investors, the debate over who has this weeks best amp or preamp etc. isn't a concern. They know that Mac is regarded to be among the finest sonically and that seems to be enough. Mac's obsession with over-building and the elegance that results is the appeal. Chassis chromed where no one will ever see, volume pots sealed in nitrogen atmospheres for 300 year mil-spec lifetimes, 1 inch thick hand silkscreened glass faces, all of that. I think it's like seeing a perfect vintage Benz or Cord or Dusenburg. It may not be a Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc., but it is just as much of a statement. Besides, have you ever seen a Mac stack of blue/green dials in the dark? WOW! just a thought... thanks. Stasis 11-29-01 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 00:48:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:48:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of looks.... Message-ID: <66.182cdcef.2938234b@aol.com> I don't know much about it, but it sure is attractive.........Enjoy! -Sam Hovland Sapphire Hybrid Amplifier http://www.hovlandcompany.com/db3/00218/hovlandcompany.com/_uimages/HP100Sapph .jpg ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Nov 30 01:28:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:28:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - McIntosh appeal References: <121.7f82aec.293820a2@aol.com> Message-ID: <016b01c17935$f15d5da0$98021fac@brianm> And I truly believe it is an accurate description of their perception. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - McIntosh appeal > I can't speak for anyone but myself, so for me I believe this gentlemen's > comments from Audiogon sum-up the McIntosh appeal. Enjoy! > > -Sam > > Why do no audio enthusiasts use McIntosh? > To McIntosh investors, the debate over who has this weeks best amp or preamp > etc. isn't a concern. They know that Mac is regarded to be among the finest > sonically and that seems to be enough. Mac's obsession with over-building and > the elegance that results is the appeal. Chassis chromed where no one will > ever see, volume pots sealed in nitrogen atmospheres for 300 year mil-spec > lifetimes, 1 inch thick hand silkscreened glass faces, all of that. I think > it's like seeing a perfect vintage Benz or Cord or Dusenburg. It may not be a > Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc., but it is just as much of a statement. Besides, > have you ever seen a Mac stack of blue/green dials in the dark? WOW! > just a thought... thanks. > Stasis 11-29-01 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 04:23:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:23:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> You must tell me exactly which resistor & what value you used. I don't consider either the ZX-7 or ZX-9 generally better than the 682. Especially after finding that I was able to reduce the signal path wiring length from about 18 feet per channel(!) to about 7.5 feet. Hell of a lot of work to do it, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > Hi Stephen, > > I spotted one possible cause of 'rewind' problem on 682, where auto a/l > "off" timer kick in earlier than "okay" or rewind timer. Might root from > other a/l chain though, but with two motors already settled at a position, I > substituted a resistor on 4558 timer to shorten the "ok" period and now a/l > is working fine and rewind tape back to 0. Does 14 sec for a/l setting > period seem normal ? > > >From ZX service manual, looks like that deck is essentially a 682 without > auto adjustment, is that correct ? What made a ZX7 more special than 682 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > > > While it may not be normal, noise in the 400Hz tone at -60dB is well below > > the noise level required for the tone's intended purpose. So, it's really > > nothing to worry about. But... If you've replaced everything in the > > circuit, I'd suggest two things. First, add 470uf or more of electrolytic > > caps on the supply lines at the tone osc circuit, along with 0.1uf or more > > of polyester or better film caps. Second, and this is good to do for the > > audio anyway, replace the rectifier diode bridge for the audio power > supply > > with soft-recovery diodes from IRC, Harris or IXYS. If you still have the > > noise, do yourself a favor, and stop worrying about it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Nov 30 04:04:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:34:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <002501c1794b$aa6d9160$42d60192@vsnl> This seems a fact that old units of 10 -20 years of age can be definitely improved by replacing all those components - I have experienced that in my Dragon / BX300. Replacing power transistors in power amp outputs may need an understanding the parameters of transistors, Cap or resistor replacement may be easiest. Kanan -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh >Ok I'll start a more interesting fight > >Here's something I may have touched on before but have >never been able to reach a conclusion about so here goes >I believe that it may be possible to produce a tremendous >sonic improvement in some EARLY SS units by simply replacing >the TO-3 outputs with modern Xref devices. I have nothing >scientific to base this on but have had this one experience. > >A few years ago I set out to improve my HH-Scott 260 early >integrated SS unit. Almost as an exercise I decided to replace the old >(QP-8?) outputs >with modern, roughly matched if not selected MJ15024s. Those of you who >are into this will recognize the >15024s as the standard work horses of the high powered amp business. >They can take lots >of current without blowing but are not considered exotic by any means. >Anyway, the minute >I dropped the 15024s in, the sonic improvement was astounding. No >careful listening was needed >to discern it. Instantly the 260 went from sounding like a cheap table >radio to well, a high >end boombox maybe:))). Most of the harshness was gone and the thing was >bearable if not >sweet. I tried a batch of cheaper 2 dollar 2n3055s from the rat shack >with the same results. >Immediately I assumed the old devices were leaky but they all tested out >ok. Perhaps they had been overdriven >I then figured, but this is an old style cap coupled output amp as are >most of the early SS units and it's very >difficult to present the outputs >with a very low impedance loads particularly at low frequencies. You'de >really have to drive the crap out of it. >I was stumped and still am. Whatever the case I then set out to replace >every conceivable cap and transistor >on the unit with the best (cheap) stuff I could find. IE: no exotic caps >or devices, I value my money you know. >There was a additional improvement but hardly discernable. > I was wondering if anyone else has noticed something like this. If it's >not >isolated it may indeed be possible to drastically improve some early SS >designs! >That in itself is an interesting prospect since there's nothing else >built like >many of those early squalid state units. > >Any opinions???? > >Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 30 05:01:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:01:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000b01c1792d$50ca29c0$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C070485.F89903D@earthlink.net> Indeed! = P Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Such an education we're giving folks here abouts!! > > ;oD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 29 November 2001 09:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT > > OK, I understand. Prat = lout. LOL > > It's obviously a slang term because I just looked up the word in the > dictionary and it > indicates it as such. However, according to Webster's University Dictionary, > prat = > buttocks. I suppose that is the nature of slang: the definition changes with > location > or culture, although an ass, an idiot, a fool are all very similar. > = ) > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 05:08:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:08:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak auto-cal decks References: <003601c178fb$a9e70aa0$68289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0e6801c17954$b1ed0980$403442cf@sank1> Actually, you are right on track with that thought. The 1000ZXL definitely suffers a fair amount from too many active stages in the signal path, as does the 700ZXL to a lesser extent. But, it was a surprise to discover, after finally sitting down & doing a thorough look, that the 700ZXE is very much toward the goal you suggest, i.e., an auto-cal LX-5. It seems to me that the ZXE was almost a ground-up re-design of the ZXLs. It has several fewer stages than the 700ZXL(lots fewer than the 1000ZXL), and has a clearly superior, discrete transistor pb head amp, very much like the ZX-9's. I just finished major upgrading of a ZXE about 10 days ago. Unfortunately didn't have time to do a real listening test, but the client called me today & says it sounds wonderful. Anybody want to comission me to upgrade the ZXE that I have for sale? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] nak auto decks > > Hi Nakfellas, > > Having had enough with nak auto settings, I remember my 'modern' sony double > deck that never failed to do auto bias and level adjustment in 10 seconds > ... and it's not even a 3 head deck ! > > I came to think that beside ZXL's special pb amp, one of its strongest point > is auto adjustment and probably main reason for its $3800 price tag ... > wouldn't it be great to have such compact sony style processor on a real nak > transport like LX5, and make every old naks almost as good as ZXL ?? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of looks.... > I don't know much about it, but it sure is attractive.........Enjoy! > > -Sam > > Hovland Sapphire Hybrid Amplifier > http://www.hovlandcompany.com/db3/00218/hovlandcompany.com/_uimages/HP100Sap ph > > .jpg > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 05:27:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:27:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C06C202.E56FA77F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e9201c17957$45a15080$403442cf@sank1> I am sure the Scott's original transistors, being very early ones, had very poor linearity, expecially at low levels. So, the badness they inflicted on the sound would logically be bad at low levels & perhaps worse at low levels than at high levels. In my experience, in modern times, such non-linearities between similar silicon transistor types are not enough to make more than a slight difference in the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > Ok I'll start a more interesting fight > > Here's something I may have touched on before but have > never been able to reach a conclusion about so here goes > > > I believe that it may be possible to produce a tremendous > sonic improvement in some EARLY SS units by simply replacing > the TO-3 outputs with modern Xref devices. I have nothing > scientific to base this on but have had this one experience. > > A few years ago I set out to improve my HH-Scott 260 early > integrated SS unit. Almost as an exercise I decided to replace the old > (QP-8?) outputs > with modern, roughly matched if not selected MJ15024s. Those of you who > are into this will recognize the > 15024s as the standard work horses of the high powered amp business. > They can take lots > of current without blowing but are not considered exotic by any means. > Anyway, the minute > I dropped the 15024s in, the sonic improvement was astounding. No > careful listening was needed > to discern it. Instantly the 260 went from sounding like a cheap table > radio to well, a high > end boombox maybe:))). Most of the harshness was gone and the thing was > bearable if not > sweet. I tried a batch of cheaper 2 dollar 2n3055s from the rat shack > with the same results. > Immediately I assumed the old devices were leaky but they all tested out > ok. Perhaps they had been overdriven > I then figured, but this is an old style cap coupled output amp as are > most of the early SS units and it's very > difficult to present the outputs > with a very low impedance loads particularly at low frequencies. You'de > really have to drive the crap out of it. > I was stumped and still am. Whatever the case I then set out to replace > every conceivable cap and transistor > on the unit with the best (cheap) stuff I could find. IE: no exotic caps > or devices, I value my money you know. > There was a additional improvement but hardly discernable. > I was wondering if anyone else has noticed something like this. If it's > not > isolated it may indeed be possible to drastically improve some early SS > designs! > That in itself is an interesting prospect since there's nothing else > built like > many of those early squalid state units. > > Any opinions???? > > Javier > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable > > disagreements.... > > > > LOL > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > filters it out. > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > route before... ) > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 05:31:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:31:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <35.1eb58be1.29381a69@aol.com> Message-ID: <0e9801c17957$d316ffa0$403442cf@sank1> I think the monster Sansui's sounded better than the Marantz receivers. The amps in those Sansui's were actually dc-coupled, so there were no capacitors in the direct signal path. And the power supplies had abundantly generous energy storage. The Marantz's & virtually every other make receivers all had electrolytic caps in the signal path all over the place, so had little chance of sounding half as good. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > In a message dated 11/29/2001 10:06:24 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a > 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the > rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to > having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from > Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different > cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far > better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an > SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on > all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in > general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with > a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. >> > > So Stephen, how would you rate the Marantz 2500 and 2600 monster receivers > against the Sansui units you mentioned above? > > _Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Nov 30 06:38:33 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:38:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <35.1eb58be1.29381a69@aol.com> <0e9801c17957$d316ffa0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C071B58.6E10794B@earthlink.net> Any thoughts on the Luxman receivers from the 70s? Stephen Sank wrote: > I think the monster Sansui's sounded better than the Marantz receivers. The > amps in those Sansui's were actually dc-coupled, so there were no capacitors > in the direct signal path. And the power supplies had abundantly generous > energy storage. The Marantz's & virtually every other make receivers all > had electrolytic caps in the signal path all over the place, so had little > chance of sounding half as good. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Fri Nov 30 06:58:34 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:58:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1970's Receivers Message-ID: <001f01c17964$0e901a60$afc29d40@compaq> Back in 1976, I bought my first am/fm receiver - a Marantz 2240B for $280 (tax included) and the cheapest deal in town. Many of you know the pretty blue display it gave. What I liked about Marantz was not just the added midrange control or the flywheel tuning control, but that the loudness switch gave off a most 'airy' punch sound which I did not find in my friends 1970's Pioneer receivers. I sold my old 2240B back in '93 - what a mistake! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > > I love units that light up like a small Vegas, > > Way too funny!! > > >These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very > young... > > I too have fond memories of an old 70's Pioneer receiver of a friend of the > family. > Brian Miller > Michigan ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 07:04:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:04:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2001 10:29:49 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << > In a message dated 11/29/2001 10:06:24 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a > 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the > rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to > having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from > Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different > cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far > better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an > SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on > all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in > general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with > a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. >> >> BTW - if any of you are interested in viewing some of the great 70 receiver's Stephen mentioned, check out: www.retroaudio.ru and choose "Sansui." Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 07:08:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:08:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2001 10:29:49 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I think the monster Sansui's sounded better than the Marantz receivers. The amps in those Sansui's were actually dc-coupled, so there were no capacitors in the direct signal path. And the power supplies had abundantly generous energy storage. The Marantz's & virtually every other make receivers all had electrolytic caps in the signal path all over the place, so had little chance of sounding half as good. >> BTW - there was a Sansui G-22000 for sale on eBay last week. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 07:18:01 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:18:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C072499.BFAA8D8E@yahoo.com> Exercise caution if you ever find yourself in an American airplane factory. Graham Nelson wrote: > > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe > such > things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. > > So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me > privately, if > need be. LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 07:23:03 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:23:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> <3C06AE56.153EAAD4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0725C7.DAAADA44@yahoo.com> It's also a last name of course. I have to wonder was there once a guy named Prat who made a fool of himself? Now children can you name other names that have become functional insults. There's Coward, Lynch, Boycott The English seem to like to do that for some reason! See Ya Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > > OK, I understand. Prat = lout. LOL > > It's obviously a slang term because I just looked up the word in the dictionary and it > indicates it as such. However, according to Webster's University Dictionary, prat = > buttocks. I suppose that is the nature of slang: the definition changes with location > or culture, although an ass, an idiot, a fool are all very similar. = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than > > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, > > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe > > such > > things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. > > > > So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me > > privately, if > > need be. LOL > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 07:40:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:40:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> <3C072499.BFAA8D8E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0ec701c17969$dbc2fac0$403442cf@sank1> Is that a "Pratt & Whitney" engine reference? Non-sequitur: My dad flew small planes as a hobby. He started letting me do a lot of piloting by the time I was no more than 12 years old. Now that my daughter is 12, I now realise that my dad may have been insane. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT > Exercise caution if you ever find yourself in an American airplane > factory. > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever than > > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or behaviour, > > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to describe > > such > > things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. > > > > So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me > > privately, if > > need be. LOL > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Nov 30 07:37:22 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:37:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver In-Reply-To: <0d9a01c178ef$cf6c9080$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Stephen Sank wrote: > To me, the "ultimate big-ass receiver" is the Sansui G-22000, which is a > 220w/ch, genuinely good-sounding beast. It is so large & heavy that the > rear section unbolts from the front section for shipping. I confess to > having lust in my heart for such a monster. The other really good ones from > Sansui were the G-9700, G-8700DB, G-9000, G-8000, and in a bit different > cosmetic feel, the 9900Z. All of these sound far better & are built far > better than the Pioneers. I shudder anytime someone asks me to work on an > SX-1280. And I always hated those way-too-bendable toggle switch levers on > all of those Pioneers. The Onkyos of that period were pretty lousy, in > general. The TX4500, the best of the Onkyos, was just barely on a par with > a Pioneer SX-850. No great recommendation. I must say that I'm a big fan of old Sansui gear. I own two receivers, a 4000 and an Eight, with 45 and 80 watts per channel respectively. The Eight drives the Polk Monitor 12's in my livingroom, and the 4000 simultaneously drives original large Advents and a pair of Genesis Physics Model I's in my study (the speakers sound very good together). I've listened to a number of their old amplifiers, and want to start buying nicer pieces when I have the money. While I don't have the audio enthusiast background of Mr. Sank, I really enjoy the sound that I get from these recivers. Especially in the American market, since they don't really have a presence here anymore (they really started making worse products after the 9900Z and then went swiftly downhill making cheap junk), the prices for used gear tend to be lower than recognized names that they once competed with (Marantz, Kenwood, Pioneer, Yamaha). In addition to the receivers Stephen listed above, also very good are the 8080/9090 series, some with onboard dolby noise reduction (9090db's are very common and cost around $250-300 on ebay). A friend of mine has a 8080db, and it sounds great. The 4000s and 5000s, the Six, Seven and Eight, the 7070 and 8080 series, the smaller G-series receivers, all of them sell for very reasonable money. Take a look on ebay, Sansui used to make a complete line of quality audio components. I think it's a measure of a poor business decision to cheapen their product even more than their competition did that they're pretty much gone from the North American market. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 07:41:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:41:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <35.1eb58be1.29381a69@aol.com> <0e9801c17957$d316ffa0$403442cf@sank1> <3C071B58.6E10794B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0ecd01c1796a$0a688200$403442cf@sank1> The old Lux receivers had really nice metal work, but were barely better than the old Onkyo stuff. At least to my ears & eyes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > Any thoughts on the Luxman receivers from the 70s? > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I think the monster Sansui's sounded better than the Marantz receivers. The > > amps in those Sansui's were actually dc-coupled, so there were no capacitors > > in the direct signal path. And the power supplies had abundantly generous > > energy storage. The Marantz's & virtually every other make receivers all > > had electrolytic caps in the signal path all over the place, so had little > > chance of sounding half as good. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 08:01:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:01:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Trying to send a copy of the ZX9 manual. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B75@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0edd01c1796c$d7f6f740$403442cf@sank1> If you haven't found an alternative, I think I have enough space in my ftp space to put up the ZX-9 manual. I already have it scanned into my computer, so no need to email your files to me. If I upload them, I can just give you the list of specific url's to access them individually. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Trying to send a copy of the ZX9 manual. > Hi all, > > I am trying to send Bigbear a copy of the zx9 manual. I have the manual in 7-1meg files and it's still being rejected. Is there a way I can post this anywhere for naktalk public access? > > Regard > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 08:11:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:11:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: <4f.152b4662.29388b33@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/2001 12:40:29 AM Central Standard Time, joelll at genericdomain.net writes: << The 4000s and 5000s, the Six, Seven and Eight, the 7070 and 8080 series, the smaller G-series receivers, all of them sell for very reasonable money. Take a look on ebay, Sansui used to make a complete line of quality audio components. I think it's a measure of a poor business decision to cheapen their product even more than their competition did that they're pretty much gone from the North American market. joel >> Hi Joel, I enjoyed reading your comments as I too enjoyed the sound of those old receivers as a child. I'm curious and I would like to pose this question to you and to Stephen as well. Could a well conditioned, and even Stephen Sank modified Sansui G-22000 compete with the new separates of today in the same power range? (e.g. McIntosh, Levison, Electrocompaniet, Classe, Bryston, etc.)? Or, would it be more similar to the sound of a Nak 700II versus a Dragon? ( e.g. a different kind of excellence)? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 08:39:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:39:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <4f.152b4662.29388b33@aol.com> Message-ID: <0ee501c17972$2c96d680$403442cf@sank1> Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. And, yes, after the 9900Z series(I owned a 3900Z in '82 or so, and have a 5900Z on a shelf to be fixed now that I own), Sansui went downhill fast. The Z9000 series was barely good, and the next series was firmly bad. And it just got worse. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > In a message dated 11/30/2001 12:40:29 AM Central Standard Time, > joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > > << The 4000s and 5000s, the Six, Seven and Eight, the 7070 and 8080 series, > the smaller G-series receivers, all of them sell for very reasonable > money. > > Take a look on ebay, Sansui used to make a complete line of quality audio > components. I think it's a measure of a poor business decision to cheapen > their product even more than their competition did that they're pretty > much gone from the North American market. > > > joel >> > > Hi Joel, > > I enjoyed reading your comments as I too enjoyed the sound of those old > receivers as a child. I'm curious and I would like to pose this question to > you and to Stephen as well. Could a well conditioned, and even Stephen Sank > modified Sansui G-22000 compete with the new separates of today in the same > power range? (e.g. McIntosh, Levison, Electrocompaniet, Classe, Bryston, > etc.)? Or, would it be more similar to the sound of a Nak 700II versus a > Dragon? ( e.g. a different kind of excellence)? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 08:44:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:44:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/2001 1:39:38 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. >> Thanks Stephen. I'll keep this in mind in case I "run" across one. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 09:05:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:05:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <0f1b01c17975$bbc26ba0$403442cf@sank1> Just be careful the G22000 doesn't "run accross" you. If one landed on you, they'd have to peel you off the pavement with a shovel. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > In a message dated 11/30/2001 1:39:38 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite > competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. >> > > Thanks Stephen. I'll keep this in mind in case I "run" across one. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 09:14:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:14:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <0f3501c17977$10a06220$403442cf@sank1> BTW, I neglected to mention that there was also a G-33000, at 330watts/ch. I don't think there is more than a dozen in the world, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > In a message dated 11/30/2001 1:39:38 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite > competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. >> > > Thanks Stephen. I'll keep this in mind in case I "run" across one. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 09:15:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:15:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: <8a.1022818c.29389a09@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/2001 2:13:30 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << BTW, I neglected to mention that there was also a G-33000, at 330watts/ch. I don't think there is more than a dozen in the world, though. >> Unreal. I'm also surprised that you, a certifiable audiophile actually LIKES a receiver? Are you changing on us? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 09:17:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:17:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: Sorry for the last post as I meant to forward that directly to Stephen. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 12:29:15 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:29:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: What was the verdict on the Sansui 9090 ? I deleted the old messages, sorry for the repeat. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:39:40 -0700 Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. And, yes, after the 9900Z series(I owned a 3900Z in '82 or so, and have a 5900Z on a shelf to be fixed now that I own), Sansui went downhill fast. The Z9000 series was barely good, and the next series was firmly bad. And it just got worse. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 30 12:53:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:53:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c17995$9f1f4840$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, The resistors are around 4558 IC 910 on auto level board. For "ok" timer, the reference voltage on pin 6 is 8.7V with standard resistors R933 = 330K and R934 = 820K, but the highest pin 5 could go was up to 6.7V, not enough to reverse -11V output on pin 7. I tried various resistor pairs and the ones that gave lower 6.6V is R933 unchanged 330K and R934 reduced to 400K .... after 14 secs pin 7 reversed output to +12V and adjustment completed. Increasing R934 slightly to 450K made the reference pin 6 a bit higher = 6.9V and the deck went back to flashing "failed" mode after 20 seconds. There's no reference voltage on the schematics ... is the above measurement ok ? Thanks for your help, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > You must tell me exactly which resistor & what value you used. > I don't consider either the ZX-7 or ZX-9 generally better than the 682. > Especially after finding that I was able to reduce the signal path wiring > length from about 18 feet per channel(!) to about 7.5 feet. Hell of a lot > of work to do it, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Nov 30 09:46:31 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:46:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: I have a >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 11/30/01 09:44AM >>> In a message dated 11/30/2001 1:39:38 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. >> Thanks Stephen. I'll keep this in mind in case I "run" across one. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just phono (haven't tested that stage, but in those days they spent a bit of money there), a tape loop, medium wave, short wave, FM stereo, FM mono and auxiliary/TV sound. A real throwback, but I have to admit, it shows up a lot of equipment nearly thirty years younger. The treble and bass controls are very clearly able to cut or boost over 20dB in either direction - somewhat extreme! My question is, the Pioneers I see for sale in e-bay (USA) prefixed SX - would those be the 110v versions of the KXs or a different line altogether? To come to think of it, there is a voltage selector on this unit. So, I'm foxed. Have a good weekend! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 30 16:34:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:34:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C06C202.E56FA77F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C07A6F7.3D46A15E@concentric.net> Assuming the original devices were not leaky or otherwise defective, the main reasons for the improvement are the higher gain and extended bandwidth of the more modern devices. The 2N3055 (and it's complimentary PNP brother, the MJ2955) used to be the workhorses of the industry, to be found in many power amp designs. There are even better devices nowadays. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Ok I'll start a more interesting fight > > Here's something I may have touched on before but have > never been able to reach a conclusion about so here goes > > I believe that it may be possible to produce a tremendous > sonic improvement in some EARLY SS units by simply replacing > the TO-3 outputs with modern Xref devices. I have nothing > scientific to base this on but have had this one experience. > > A few years ago I set out to improve my HH-Scott 260 early > integrated SS unit. Almost as an exercise I decided to replace the old > (QP-8?) outputs > with modern, roughly matched if not selected MJ15024s. Those of you who > are into this will recognize the > 15024s as the standard work horses of the high powered amp business. > They can take lots > of current without blowing but are not considered exotic by any means. > Anyway, the minute > I dropped the 15024s in, the sonic improvement was astounding. No > careful listening was needed > to discern it. Instantly the 260 went from sounding like a cheap table > radio to well, a high > end boombox maybe:))). Most of the harshness was gone and the thing was > bearable if not > sweet. I tried a batch of cheaper 2 dollar 2n3055s from the rat shack > with the same results. > Immediately I assumed the old devices were leaky but they all tested out > ok. Perhaps they had been overdriven > I then figured, but this is an old style cap coupled output amp as are > most of the early SS units and it's very > difficult to present the outputs > with a very low impedance loads particularly at low frequencies. You'de > really have to drive the crap out of it. > I was stumped and still am. Whatever the case I then set out to replace > every conceivable cap and transistor > on the unit with the best (cheap) stuff I could find. IE: no exotic caps > or devices, I value my money you know. > There was a additional improvement but hardly discernable. > I was wondering if anyone else has noticed something like this. If it's > not > isolated it may indeed be possible to drastically improve some early SS > designs! > That in itself is an interesting prospect since there's nothing else > built like > many of those early squalid state units. > > Any opinions???? > > Javier > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable > > disagreements.... > > > > LOL > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > filters it out. > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > route before... ) > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Nov 30 17:04:38 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:04:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver In-Reply-To: <4f.152b4662.29388b33@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > I enjoyed reading your comments as I too enjoyed the sound of those old > receivers as a child. I'm curious and I would like to pose this question to > you and to Stephen as well. Could a well conditioned, and even Stephen Sank > modified Sansui G-22000 compete with the new separates of today in the same > power range? (e.g. McIntosh, Levison, Electrocompaniet, Classe, Bryston, > etc.)? Or, would it be more similar to the sound of a Nak 700II versus a > Dragon? ( e.g. a different kind of excellence)? Hmmmm... Well, I haven't really had a chance to listen to any of the brand names mentioned; from my income perspective, manufacturers like the ones you list are wayyy out of my budget range now, and probably will be for many years. My friends tend to buy modern gear by NAD, Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony, or whatever's at Circuit City. I also haven't had a chance to listen to a G22000, though one went for a relatively low $700 or so on Ebay, I just don't have that kind of money right now. My two Sansui receivers, the 4000 and the Eight, cost me $30 combined. Most of my pairs of speakers cost me under $100 a pair, and none cost more than $250/pr when I bought them. I like music and audio quite a lot, and have three stereo systems in my apartment plus a home theater setup that cost under $2000 combined (not including the television). I do occasionally get to hear the high-quality (and priced) gear in audio stores or whatever, and would like to get into the next level or two up of quality over time, and see how the gear that I've accumulated measures up against it in A/B comparison. First, though I'm going to replace the awful Sony STRDE915 in my home theater. Yuck. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 30 17:50:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:50:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <000801c179bf$207c0e40$7b289bca@smarzuki> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" > > First, though I'm going to replace the awful Sony STRDE915 in my home > theater. Yuck. > > joel If you're not heavy into movies (dts or dolby digital), get an older Nak AV1s or AV2s for cheap ... it will surprise you ! Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Nov 30 18:26:12 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:26:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver In-Reply-To: <000801c179bf$207c0e40$7b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Salim Marzuki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Herda" > > > > First, though I'm going to replace the awful Sony STRDE915 in my home > > theater. Yuck. > > > > joel > > If you're not heavy into movies (dts or dolby digital), get an older Nak > AV1s or AV2s for cheap ... it will surprise you ! Well, I like experimenting with movies and HT sound formats...I want to try digital/DTS with something a little better than the Sony, but since it's on loan to me, it's hard to beat the price :) But I like your Nak suggestion... even though my apartment is beginning to resemble a small used-audio store, I really have been meaning to get around to finding some more Nak gear. The 600 tape deck i found out set out at the curb with someone's trash has been working nicely, though I think it probably needs to have maintenance servicing. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 18:58:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:58:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer KX440 Receiver +- 1973 References: <3C079855.811AE039@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <0f8201c179c8$9d48d260$403442cf@sank1> I've never heard of a KX series Pioneer, so I don't have a clue where it fits into the picture. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer KX440 Receiver +- 1973 > Hi all, > > Sorry about my previous stillborn post. > > Since we're talking receivers for the moment, I picked up a rather > unkempt machine of the above model a little while ago....it's rated for > 80 watts per channel/8 ohms according to a plate on the back. It has a > black plastic face, nice oak cabinet, blue display and sounds truly > excellent. It just doesn't run out of puff. It also has no vent, but > never gets beyond "warm". The tuner section is also suprisingly > competent. The lack of inputs is the only annoyance. Just phono > (haven't tested that stage, but in those days they spent a bit of money > there), a tape loop, medium wave, short wave, FM stereo, FM mono and > auxiliary/TV sound. A real throwback, but I have to admit, it shows up > a lot of equipment nearly thirty years younger. The treble and bass > controls are very clearly able to cut or boost over 20dB in either > direction - somewhat extreme! > > My question is, the Pioneers I see for sale in e-bay (USA) prefixed SX - > would those be the 110v versions of the KXs or a different line > altogether? To come to think of it, there is a voltage selector on this > unit. So, I'm foxed. > > Have a good weekend! > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Nov 30 19:05:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:05:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <000f01c179c9$939e5860$7b289bca@smarzuki> Well the AVxs series only has dolby surround, but sounds incredible compared to yamaha RXVs. Newer AV10 (?) has more movies stuff on it, but build quality has gone downward so I heard. That 'stereo-exchange' apartment design sounds familiar ... :-) Still missing a patch bay though. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Well, I like experimenting with movies and HT sound formats...I want to > try digital/DTS with something a little better than the Sony, but since > it's on loan to me, it's hard to beat the price :) > > But I like your Nak suggestion... even though my apartment is beginning to > resemble a small used-audio store, I really have been meaning to get > around to finding some more Nak gear. The 600 tape deck i found out set > out at the curb with someone's trash has been working nicely, though I > think it probably needs to have maintenance servicing. > > > joel ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > Hi Stephen, > > The resistors are around 4558 IC 910 on auto level board. For "ok" timer, > the reference voltage on pin 6 is 8.7V with standard resistors R933 = 330K > and R934 = 820K, but the highest pin 5 could go was up to 6.7V, not enough > to reverse -11V output on pin 7. > > I tried various resistor pairs and the ones that gave lower 6.6V is R933 > unchanged 330K and R934 reduced to 400K .... after 14 secs pin 7 reversed > output to +12V and adjustment completed. Increasing R934 slightly to 450K > made the reference pin 6 a bit higher = 6.9V and the deck went back to > flashing "failed" mode after 20 seconds. > > There's no reference voltage on the schematics ... is the above measurement > ok ? > > Thanks for your help, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > > > You must tell me exactly which resistor & what value you used. > > I don't consider either the ZX-7 or ZX-9 generally better than the 682. > > Especially after finding that I was able to reduce the signal path wiring > > length from about 18 feet per channel(!) to about 7.5 feet. Hell of a lot > > of work to do it, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Nov 30 19:07:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:07:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <0fa001c179c9$e2d546a0$403442cf@sank1> The 9090 is a nice receiver, but it was made before Sansui started doing DC-coupled amp designs, so it doesn't sound as good as the G series. It was also very high maintenance, requiring very frequent cleaning of switches, lamp replacements & etc. Got a client's 9090DB in the shop right now to look at. Of course, it also wasn't half as pretty as the G series. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > What was the verdict on the Sansui 9090 ? I deleted the old messages, sorry > for the repeat. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:39:40 -0700 > > Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite > competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. > And, yes, after the 9900Z series(I owned a 3900Z in '82 or so, and have a > 5900Z on a shelf to be fixed now that I own), Sansui went downhill fast. > The Z9000 series was barely good, and the next series was firmly bad. And > it just got worse. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Nov 30 19:19:38 2001 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:19:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer KX440 Receiver +- 1973 Message-ID: The only KX series I can remember was Kenwood, but cannot come up with more than that. The best I could do is look in old October issues of Audio magazine (that issue listed most of the audio equipment available). Will take a look this evening. Kent >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 11/30/01 12:58PM >>> I've never heard of a KX series Pioneer, so I don't have a clue where it fits into the picture. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer KX440 Receiver +- 1973 > Hi all, > > Sorry about my previous stillborn post. > > Since we're talking receivers for the moment, I picked up a rather > unkempt machine of the above model a little while ago....it's rated for > 80 watts per channel/8 ohms according to a plate on the back. It has a > black plastic face, nice oak cabinet, blue display and sounds truly > excellent. It just doesn't run out of puff. It also has no vent, but > never gets beyond "warm". The tuner section is also suprisingly > competent. The lack of inputs is the only annoyance. Just phono > (haven't tested that stage, but in those days they spent a bit of money > there), a tape loop, medium wave, short wave, FM stereo, FM mono and > auxiliary/TV sound. A real throwback, but I have to admit, it shows up > a lot of equipment nearly thirty years younger. The treble and bass > controls are very clearly able to cut or boost over 20dB in either > direction - somewhat extreme! > > My question is, the Pioneers I see for sale in e-bay (USA) prefixed SX - > would those be the 110v versions of the KXs or a different line > altogether? To come to think of it, there is a voltage selector on this > unit. So, I'm foxed. > > Have a good weekend! > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Nov 30 19:25:40 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:25:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer KX440 Receiver +- 1973 References: <3C079855.811AE039@sunint.co.za> <0f8201c179c8$9d48d260$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009901c179cc$6aaa00a0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I have never seen or heard of a KX Pioneer series either. The only KX series that comes to mind is the old Fisher tube integrated amplifiers, such as the KX-90, KX-100, and the KX-200. They were good sounding amps, they even had the "Reverse" mode on them where you could reverse the channels, left to right, etc. Not sure what the practical value of that was, other than if a recording had been done with the channels reversed, you could compensate for original positioning. There was also a KX series for Kenwood cassette decks.........need I say any more? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 30 22:17:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:17:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony WM-D3 Pro In-Reply-To: <0ee501c17972$2c96d680$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c179e4$5da540a0$ac9387d9@a4s1s2> Can't recall who but I do remember one of the guys was looking for one of these. Try this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1303691706 Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Nov 30 22:35:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:35:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> Jim, On the off chance that you and others here may be interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping as non technical as possible. Those that are indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a generator. By the same token, when you apply a signal to a loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone after suspension friction and air resistance eventually absorb all the cone energy. Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short resistance. Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and their cone motion does not exactly follow the input signal. The motion component that is not related to input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is 'back EMF'. Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the short applied in the experiment described above (since it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output impedance. To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a specification called DF (Damping factor), which is defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as described above. Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections and the like, in even the best of systems. In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, it does). Maybe, some other time? -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable > disagreements.... > > LOL > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > wrong with it. > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > move by an *external* force. > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > filters it out. > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > route before... ) > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 30 22:59:18 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:59:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Niro Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000101c179ea$427bc3c0$449687d9@a4s1s2> Lest you've not seen it already go to: http://www.niro.net/controlengine.html which is a link to his new company's web site. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 30 23:03:34 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <0ab001c12f5d$b82ceae0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007501c179ea$dbce19b0$25756acf@johnrotten> So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy of a > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of your DAT to > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can make > infinite copies of the first tape. > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT decks(which > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > for family or friends. > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > technology. > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the > first > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > -SamTheMan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Nov 30 23:12:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:12:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: <9e.1e3e5b43.29395e38@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/2001 10:06:50 AM Central Standard Time, joelll at genericdomain.net writes: << First, though I'm going to replace the awful Sony STRDE915 in my home theater. Yuck. joel >> Nice setup Joel, and I to don't believe in spending enormous amounts of money. You can build a quality system for less (I did it.) Hey man, enjoy your equipment and have fun with it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Fri Nov 30 23:43:51 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:43:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <0ab001c12f5d$b82ceae0$ae3442cf@sank1> <007501c179ea$dbce19b0$25756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000a01c179f0$7c037d80$a38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Would that include the DTC 55? I have a Pioneer D-500 - can you disable its SCMS? Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy of a > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of your DAT > to > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can make > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT decks(which > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > a > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > technology. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the > > first > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-12.txt ************************************************************************ From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Dec 12 17:04:47 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:04:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] server down References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> Hi all, Any Nak news in a new millenium? Misha > The naks.com server will be going down today for some time. > I guess this will be until the beginning of next year. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Dec 12 19:12:32 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:12:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl> <002001c18326$bac8c400$0100007f@localhost> <3A5F3A1E.33100B4F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00a401c18338$93640f20$0100007f@localhost> Hi everyone! Happy New Millenium and more Naks to everyone! And of course couple words for Stephen! He is realy great person and I simply can not evaluate his precious advices over email! He's realy one of the best tech people over the world! preiod! Misha > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 1 00:11:41 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY In-Reply-To: <007501c179ea$dbce19b0$25756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000201c179f4$5efcee20$449687d9@a4s1s2> Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT scared by smokin' soldering irons, that is... http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn how to do this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up the learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to have a go at a project like that.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy of a > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of your DAT to > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can make > infinite copies of the first tape. > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT decks(which > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > for family or friends. > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > technology. > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the > first > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > -SamTheMan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 02:57:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:57:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT References: <000401c17916$4d5d8320$2ec287d9@a4s1s2> <3C072499.BFAA8D8E@yahoo.com> <0ec701c17969$dbc2fac0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0838F3.27F12D7D@yahoo.com> Yes it was albeit minus 1 T That's what I call POSITIVE insanity Make sure it's allowed to run in the family! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Is that a "Pratt & Whitney" engine reference? > Non-sequitur: My dad flew small planes as a hobby. He started letting me > do a lot of piloting by the time I was no more than 12 years old. Now that > my daughter is 12, I now realise that my dad may have been insane. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) DEFINITION OF PRAT > > > Exercise caution if you ever find yourself in an American airplane > > factory. > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > A Prat = An idiot; a fool, esp. someone who thinks they are more clever > than > > > they are. Similar to: A Twit; A Twat; A Plonker. > > > > > > Thus, to call someone "a prat" is to insult their intelligence or > behaviour, > > > as in "You prat!" or "You stupid prat!", "He's a prat!" and "That was a > > > prattish thing to do!", or in observing such a person, "What a prat!" > > > > > > It is not, however, a vulgar term, and not particularly a strong term of > > > insult. Best of all it can be used in comfort in front of ladies and > > > without fear of blasphemy!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:18 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > > (US)... > > > > > > Heck, I thought PRAT was an acronym started by the guys at Linn to > describe > > > such > > > things. Evidently, it was very tongue in cheek. > > > > > > So do tell. What is the other meaning of "prat"? Feel free to email me > > > privately, if > > > need be. LOL > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Dec 1 03:35:40 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:35:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: what makes speakers tick References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0841E5.F89A358B@pacbell.net> Ron, I am amazed at your replies to this group. You have a great gift and talent for understanding electronics, as a science, and your ability to apply it to most, if not all, aspects of audio. I learn so much from you, yet I feel a debt is owed because I am learning all this great "stuff" with no investment/reciprocation from me. Well, I hope you derive satisfaction from talking to a pretty eager and appreciative group. I am certainly one of the "applauding" members of the audience!!!! Thankyouverymuch and haveagreatweekend Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 03:48:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:48:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Message-ID: <83.13df0352.29399f05@aol.com> Hi All, I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy as they produce studio quality blank reel media. Just wanted to ask if anyone here has ever used their cassettes and what was your experience? Thank you in advance, and please feel free to respond offline from NakTalkers. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 04:05:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:05:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - McIntosh MPI-4 Scope Message-ID: <45.fd4055f.2939a2e5@aol.com> Wasn't someone on this list looking for one of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1303985236 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat Dec 1 04:05:09 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:05:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes References: <83.13df0352.29399f05@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c17a14$fc7bf040$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Never used them but I have used Quantegy reel tape which is basically Ampex. Good stuff. However, they are biased for newer studio decks and not the older models even from the 80's. So that being said, you will have to setup your CR-7a for using these much like any other new formulation you plan to try. http://www.quantegy.com/ProductGroups/Audio/472.htm http://www.quantegy.com/ProductGroups/Audio/avx.htm Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 04:08:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:08:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Message-ID: <111.9525ec2.2939a3af@aol.com> Thanks Roland. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Dec 1 04:03:08 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:03:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY Message-ID: <20011130.221025.-2049835.1.josephj69@juno.com> I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than make a total mess. Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one go? A local college? - Joe On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 "Graham Nelson" writes: > Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT > scared by > smokin' soldering irons, that is... > > http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ > > (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn > how to do > this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up > the > learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to > have a > go at a project like that.) > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > copy of a > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > your DAT > to > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > make > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > decks(which > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > a > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > technology. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > Not the > > first > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > immediate > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 04:17:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:17:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <14e.4f290de.2939a5ad@aol.com> Hi All, I recall reading a post from this group regarding the abrasive qualities of the TDK MA-XG and your playback heads. While reviewing my cassette collection, I came across a TDK MA-XG that is in great shape and I have since purchased CD-versions of the music recorded on it. I would like to record over the old music and use this cassette, but I'm concerned that it may cause some damage to my tape heads. (The heads in my CR-7 are new and I want to keep them that way). Is this true, or is it safe to record using this cassette. Thank you all in advance for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 04:29:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:29:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) Sansui 9090 for $100+ Message-ID: <136.58a4ee0.2939a8ab@aol.com> Well now, we were just talking about this one.. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301083655 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Dec 1 06:05:53 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:05:53 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B78@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, I own many of these MA-XG tapes and are using them on all 4 of my Naks, to date no problems yet. I think that you will be safe. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 2:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Hi All, I recall reading a post from this group regarding the abrasive qualities of the TDK MA-XG and your playback heads. While reviewing my cassette collection, I came across a TDK MA-XG that is in great shape and I have since purchased CD-versions of the music recorded on it. I would like to record over the old music and use this cassette, but I'm concerned that it may cause some damage to my tape heads. (The heads in my CR-7 are new and I want to keep them that way). Is this true, or is it safe to record using this cassette. Thank you all in advance for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 06:30:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:30:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <104c01c17a29$5bb1a0a0$403442cf@sank1> The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. This kind of distortion needn't be very high to be objectionable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > Jim, > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > as non technical as possible. Those that are > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > generator. > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > absorb all the cone energy. > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > resistance. > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > signal. The motion component that is not related to > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > 'back EMF'. > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > short applied in the experiment described above (since > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > impedance. > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > described above. > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn interminable > > disagreements.... > > > > LOL > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > filters it out. > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > route before... ) > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 06:32:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:32:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <0ab001c12f5d$b82ceae0$ae3442cf@sank1> <007501c179ea$dbce19b0$25756acf@johnrotten> <000a01c179f0$7c037d80$a38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <105401c17a29$88937ee0$403442cf@sank1> Essentially all consumer DAT's have SCMS that is generally not defeatable. There is supposedly some "secret" way to turn it of on the DTC-55/75 decksm though. The bigger reason to avoid the DTC-790 is that it sounds like crap! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Would that include the DTC 55? I have a Pioneer D-500 - can you disable > its SCMS? > > Sinclair Forrest > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy of > a > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of your > DAT > > to > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can make > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > decks(which > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the DTC-75ES/DTC-700, > had > > a > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not > the > > > first > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > immediate > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 06:38:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:38:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes References: <83.13df0352.29399f05@aol.com> Message-ID: <105a01c17a2a$634d25e0$403442cf@sank1> I have found that something like 80 percent of recording studio people are brainwashed into believing that Ampex/Quantegy tape is the only thing to use. Of course, most of them have thus never tried anything else. I've not tried an Ampex cassette in years, but my experience with their "highest grades" pro reel tape, 1/4", 1/2" & up, has been pretty inexcusably bad. Durability is so poor, that I can't use the same section of tape for calibration for more than threee passes. That is totally pathetic. Whereas, I only need to replace my recording test Maxell UD tape about once every two years. In other words, it lasts about a few hundred times longer than Ampex/Quantegy. And it sounds damn good, too. Based on this experience, I personally avoid their cassettes. The only tapes of theirs I actually like better than others is the 467 DAT tape. But this is based on Ampex label, not Quantegy label, and I have heard that the Quantegy version is no longer the same tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes > Hi All, > > I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of > experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. > > One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. > During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the > TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy > as they produce studio quality blank reel media. Just wanted to ask if > anyone here has ever used their cassettes and what was your experience? > Thank you in advance, and please feel free to respond offline from > NakTalkers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 06:38:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:38:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY References: <20011130.221025.-2049835.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <106001c17a2a$77805a00$403442cf@sank1> Best thing to do is come to Albuquerque & "apprentice" with me for a while. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > make a total mess. > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > go? A local college? > > - Joe > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 "Graham Nelson" > writes: > > Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT > > scared by > > smokin' soldering irons, that is... > > > > http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ > > > > (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn > > how to do > > this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up > > the > > learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to > > have a > > go at a project like that.) > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > copy of a > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > your DAT > > to > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > make > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > decks(which > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > > a > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > Not the > > > first > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > immediate > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Dec 1 06:40:07 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:40:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B79@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree with Stephen, I have found that the open reel tapes back coating slowly lifts off and eventually gets on to the heads and causes a "sticky" effect where the tape rubs and produces a squealing sound. Very bad stuff especially for the price you pay. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 4:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes I have found that something like 80 percent of recording studio people are brainwashed into believing that Ampex/Quantegy tape is the only thing to use. Of course, most of them have thus never tried anything else. I've not tried an Ampex cassette in years, but my experience with their "highest grades" pro reel tape, 1/4", 1/2" & up, has been pretty inexcusably bad. Durability is so poor, that I can't use the same section of tape for calibration for more than threee passes. That is totally pathetic. Whereas, I only need to replace my recording test Maxell UD tape about once every two years. In other words, it lasts about a few hundred times longer than Ampex/Quantegy. And it sounds damn good, too. Based on this experience, I personally avoid their cassettes. The only tapes of theirs I actually like better than others is the 467 DAT tape. But this is based on Ampex label, not Quantegy label, and I have heard that the Quantegy version is no longer the same tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes > Hi All, > > I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of > experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. > > One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. > During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the > TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy > as they produce studio quality blank reel media. Just wanted to ask if > anyone here has ever used their cassettes and what was your experience? > Thank you in advance, and please feel free to respond offline from > NakTalkers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 1 06:54:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:54:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> <104c01c17a29$5bb1a0a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0870AE.1118046F@earthlink.net> Stephen, So then are you suggesting that back EMF is ONLY an issue with amplifiers that use local feedback in the output section and especially global feedback throughout? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the > feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced > distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. This kind of distortion > needn't be very high to be objectionable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > > > > Jim, > > > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > > as non technical as possible. Those that are > > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > > generator. > > > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > > absorb all the cone energy. > > > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > > resistance. > > > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > > signal. The motion component that is not related to > > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > > 'back EMF'. > > > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > > short applied in the experiment described above (since > > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > > impedance. > > > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > > described above. > > > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn > interminable > > > disagreements.... > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > > filters it out. > > > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > > route before... ) > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 07:09:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:09:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> <104c01c17a29$5bb1a0a0$403442cf@sank1> <3C0870AE.1118046F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <109301c17a2e$c98e1220$403442cf@sank1> In fact, no, I'm not. Not quite. In a zero-feedback ss amp, you can still have interaction with the power supply, so the EMF absorption will depend greatly upon how generous the energy storage(and the wire length & gauge between the output devices & the storage caps) in the amp is. Still, in the worst case, the effect is way smaller than in a feedback amp. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > Stephen, > > So then are you suggesting that back EMF is ONLY an issue with amplifiers that use > local feedback in the output section and especially global feedback throughout? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the > > feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced > > distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. This kind of distortion > > needn't be very high to be objectionable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > > > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > > > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > > > as non technical as possible. Those that are > > > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > > > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > > > > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > > > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > > > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > > > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > > > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > > > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > > > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > > > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > > > generator. > > > > > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > > > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > > > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > > > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > > > > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > > > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > > > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > > > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > > > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > > > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > > > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > > > absorb all the cone energy. > > > > > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > > > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > > > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > > > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > > > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > > > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > > > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > > > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > > > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > > > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > > > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > > > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > > > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > > > resistance. > > > > > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > > > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > > > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > > > signal. The motion component that is not related to > > > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > > > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > > > 'back EMF'. > > > > > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > > > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > > > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > > > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > > > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > > > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > > > > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > > > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > > > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > > > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > > > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > > > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > > > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > > > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > > > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > > > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > > > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > > > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > > > > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > > > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > > > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > > > short applied in the experiment described above (since > > > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > > > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > > > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > > > impedance. > > > > > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > > > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > > > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > > > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > > > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > > > described above. > > > > > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > > > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > > > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > > > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > > > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > > > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > > > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > > > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > > > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > > > > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > > > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > > > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > > > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > > > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > > > > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > > > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > > > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn > > interminable > > > > disagreements.... > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > > > filters it out. > > > > > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > > > route before... ) > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 1 08:27:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:27:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PCB for Mac MCD-7000 Message-ID: <10a901c17a39$953fde80$403442cf@sank1> Can't recall which one of you guys had a McIntosh MCD-7000 with a fried main board, but here is a Mission DAD-7000 for $99 buyitnow price, which has the identical main boards & CDM-1 transport: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304588353 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 1 10:38:33 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:38:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Atma Sphere amplifiers In-Reply-To: <109301c17a2e$c98e1220$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hello, Can anyone offer any comments on the entry level amplifier made by Atma Sphere...the S30 OTL (30wpc stereo)? There is one for sale for 1700 and am considering acquiring that amp and offing my Audio Note. Comments? Ridicule? Loud laughter? Price fair? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) In fact, no, I'm not. Not quite. In a zero-feedback ss amp, you can still have interaction with the power supply, so the EMF absorption will depend greatly upon how generous the energy storage(and the wire length & gauge between the output devices & the storage caps) in the amp is. Still, in the worst case, the effect is way smaller than in a feedback amp. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > Stephen, > > So then are you suggesting that back EMF is ONLY an issue with amplifiers that use > local feedback in the output section and especially global feedback throughout? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the > > feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced > > distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. This kind of distortion > > needn't be very high to be objectionable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > > > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > > > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > > > as non technical as possible. Those that are > > > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > > > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > > > > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > > > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > > > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > > > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > > > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > > > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > > > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > > > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > > > generator. > > > > > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > > > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > > > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > > > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > > > > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > > > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > > > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > > > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > > > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > > > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > > > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > > > absorb all the cone energy. > > > > > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > > > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > > > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > > > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > > > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > > > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > > > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > > > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > > > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > > > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > > > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > > > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > > > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > > > resistance. > > > > > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > > > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > > > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > > > signal. The motion component that is not related to > > > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > > > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > > > 'back EMF'. > > > > > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > > > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > > > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > > > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > > > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > > > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > > > > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > > > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > > > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > > > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > > > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > > > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > > > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > > > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > > > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > > > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > > > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > > > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > > > > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > > > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > > > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > > > short applied in the experiment described above (since > > > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > > > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > > > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > > > impedance. > > > > > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > > > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > > > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > > > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > > > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > > > described above. > > > > > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > > > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > > > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > > > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > > > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > > > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > > > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > > > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > > > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > > > > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > > > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > > > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > > > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > > > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > > > > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > > > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > > > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn > > interminable > > > > disagreements.... > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > > > filters it out. > > > > > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > > > route before... ) > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 10:51:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:51:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/2001 11:12:42 PM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, I own many of these MA-XG tapes and are using them on all 4 of my Naks, to date no problems yet. I think that you will be safe. Tom Siomopoulos. >> Thank you all for your help with my TDK MA-XG question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 10:53:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:53:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Message-ID: <72.13d02d6c.293a0294@aol.com> In a message dated 11/30/2001 11:46:55 PM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << I agree with Stephen, I have found that the open reel tapes back coating slowly lifts off and eventually gets on to the heads and causes a "sticky" effect where the tape rubs and produces a squealing sound. Very bad stuff especially for the price you pay. Tom Siomopoulos. >> Thanks to Stephen and Tom for your help. I'll stick with my Maxell XL-IIs and TDK SA-90s. -Sam -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Dec 1 11:19:05 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:19:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1601 In-Reply-To: <200112010341.EAA08038@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: First thing to do is to acquire at least a third and preferably a fourth hand : one for the iron, one for the solder, one for the first wire and, when not soldering to a fixed object, one for the second wire or object you're soldering to :-) Second thing you absolutely need, are heathproof fingers ... usually the soldering is almost perfect when you have to let go because you're burning your fingers :-) But soldering isn't that difficult : just make sure the iron is hot enough, and after you dropped a shiny drop of solder on the right spot : DON'T MOVE ANYTHING until it solidifies, otherwise you get those bad connections . And when soldering to a bigger surface, warm it up first, before applying the solder (doesn't happen very often in electronics, unless you have to solder a wire to a chassis or so) . Happy burning :-) Eddy > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:41:22 +0100 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1601 > > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > make a total mess. > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > go? A local college? > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 1 11:53:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:53:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1601 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003701c17a56$6df2f660$449687d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Eddy. Actually, I don't feel too bad using the iron - I've begun making my own interconnects and, whilst I'd not dare to suggest they look the neatest jobs in the World, they work and generally very nicely. (Altho' I have found some of my earlier efforts needed to be done again!) And I've found the "trick" regarding the 3rd and 4th hand - one of those two-crocodile clamps. Where would I be without it when I'm putting RCAs on the interconnect cable? I'd be in Sh~~ Street! What bothers me is the bigger projects .... like changing caps!! Yeah - I know that's not a big project but it is if you've not done it before! Especially if you don't even know what you're looking at when you open the box, let alone what to ask for to replace whatever it is you want to replace .... And I've not a clue about what to test or how to test. And when you guys start talking about Oscillor Scopes .... yeah! I've seen 'em! And I've seen the pictures that come up on the screen. But what the heck does it mean?? See? What I need is a basic electronics course and I've not found one in my local college (yet.) Alternatively I suppose I could fly to Alber', pitch a tent in Stephen's garden and take a crash course inside a week's vacation as this magicians UK apprentice!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 01 December 2001 10:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1601 First thing to do is to acquire at least a third and preferably a fourth hand : one for the iron, one for the solder, one for the first wire and, when not soldering to a fixed object, one for the second wire or object you're soldering to :-) Second thing you absolutely need, are heathproof fingers ... usually the soldering is almost perfect when you have to let go because you're burning your fingers :-) But soldering isn't that difficult : just make sure the iron is hot enough, and after you dropped a shiny drop of solder on the right spot : DON'T MOVE ANYTHING until it solidifies, otherwise you get those bad connections . And when soldering to a bigger surface, warm it up first, before applying the solder (doesn't happen very often in electronics, unless you have to solder a wire to a chassis or so) . Happy burning :-) Eddy > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:41:22 +0100 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1601 > > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > make a total mess. > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > go? A local college? > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 1 15:45:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:45:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> <104c01c17a29$5bb1a0a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C08ED13.238BA36@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the > feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced > distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. In 99.95% of amp designs there is no delay in the NFB loop. If there was such a delay, the amp would be unstable. If the amp has no 'phase smear' and 'delay-induced distortion' (what's that?) without back EMF, it won't have any with it. Regardless, NFB reduces back EMF. > This kind of distortion needn't be very high to be objectionable. First -- we are not talking about 'not very high', but about 'infinitesimal'. Second -- the issue is not whether back EMF is audible, but whether bi-wiring can possible make it less so (the answer is NO). BTW, what *is* audible in any speaker is the acoustical distortion emitted by the cone. Luckily, quenching of the back EMF by a power amp low output impedance reduces this distortion. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > > > > Jim, > > > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > > as non technical as possible. Those that are > > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > > generator. > > > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > > absorb all the cone energy. > > > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > > resistance. > > > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > > signal. The motion component that is not related to > > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > > 'back EMF'. > > > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > > short applied in the experiment described above (since > > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > > impedance. > > > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > > described above. > > > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn > interminable > > > disagreements.... > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > > filters it out. > > > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > > route before... ) > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Dec 1 15:54:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:54:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17995$9f1f4840$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f9801c179c9$671e2220$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c17a78$57778780$66289bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the confirmation, Stephen ! Probably the 2.2uF cap needs to be replaced, but I can't find Low Noise electrolitycs here, so in the meantime that resistor is an 'acceptable' workaround. Not to keep everybody else bored, I found another problem ... I replaced MB1s optic with a 'generic' Sanyo SF91 (5/8) that came with sockets instead of dangling cables - old optics' laser colour is pale blue compared to new parts' dark solid blue. Connect the sockets using homemade cable, so far so good - scratched CD which used to skip using old optics now tracks fine. BUT ... I can't play CDR anymore !! Sometimes it doesn't even recognize there's a CDR disc on it, other times it plays horribly (which was almost playable using old optics - and perfect on MB2). I tried to tweak focus, track gain trimpots a bit with no luck. What gives ? Incompatible laser ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > Sounds like you have done an excellent job. I am rather perplexed at the > large value change required to get it right, though. Pretty odd. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 1 16:00:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:00:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: what makes speakers tick References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> <3C0841E5.F89A358B@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C08F070.1A63FA0B@concentric.net> You are entirely welcome. Actually, this give and take is completely reciprocal. Even though my stance to audio reproduction is on the objectivist side, I am always interested in what the subjectivists have to say. Thus, even if I disagree with them, I do owe a debt of gratitude to Stephen, Jim, and all the others that express the opposite opinions. I am also indebted to Wouter, that made this wonderful forum available to us all. Thanks for your response, -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Ron, I am amazed at your replies to this group. You have a great gift and talent for > understanding electronics, as a science, and your ability to apply it to most, if not all, > aspects of audio. I learn so much from you, yet I feel a debt is owed because I am > learning all this great "stuff" with no investment/reciprocation from me. Well, I hope > you derive satisfaction from talking to a pretty eager and appreciative group. I am > certainly one of the "applauding" members of the audience!!!! > > Thankyouverymuch > and > haveagreatweekend > > Brian Stocker > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 1 16:19:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:19:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY References: <20011130.221025.-2049835.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C08F511.753768BE@concentric.net> Depends on what you want to learn. Skills in using a soldering iron, along with how to work with a diode, resistor, transistor or PCB, can only be obtained by doing, after comparatively short introduction. Courses teaching this practical aspect of Electronics are available in some community colleges and institutions offering continuing education. Also, some people are comfortable building educational kits. The first kit to buy will contain the basic tools (soldering iron, miniature long nose pliers, side cutters, etc.), with a booklet that explains the hows and whys. You can follow with a small kit that assembles into, say, a 2W amplifier, color organ, remote control or whatever. You can work yourself up to Vellemann's 90W per channel tube amp kit that costs $1000 (supposed to be very good, but I never heard one). As to the theoretical side -- you can study at many levels, from popular books all the way to a 4 year Engineering college degree. The latter will include substantial amounts of math and physics that many people may not wish to tackle. If you are the type that enjoys learning by reading (rather than hearing), you can probably find an introductory book or two (or twenty) at your local library, just to see whether it whets your appetite or bores you to sleep. Good luck, -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > make a total mess. > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > go? A local college? > > - Joe > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 "Graham Nelson" > writes: > > Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT > > scared by > > smokin' soldering irons, that is... > > > > http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ > > > > (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn > > how to do > > this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up > > the > > learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to > > have a > > go at a project like that.) > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > copy of a > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > your DAT > > to > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > make > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > decks(which > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > > a > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > Not the > > > first > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > immediate > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 1 16:40:32 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:40:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <14e.4f290de.2939a5ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C08F9F0.48D64A16@concentric.net> Sam, It's all relative. The more abrasive cassettes (I don't know a thing about the TDK MA-XG specifically, but in general) do accelerate head wear more than others. This does not mean that playing an abrasive cassette will immediately render your heads useless. It means that, with occasional use of an abrasive cassette, instead of getting, say, 10,000 hours, you will get only 9,950 hours. If you use abrasive cassettes exclusively, you may get only 7,000 hour, etc.. In my case, I would never use an inferior or damaged cassette, but have no problem using CRO2 or quality cassettes, even if said to be abrasive. My CR-7 is 17 years old and shows no visible wear on the (original) head. I figure that if the heads last, say, only 15 more years, rather than 20, I have at least enjoyed them fully and then, either replace with new heads or get a new deck. YMMV, -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I recall reading a post from this group regarding the abrasive qualities of > the TDK MA-XG and your playback heads. While reviewing my cassette > collection, I came across a TDK MA-XG that is in great shape and I have since > purchased CD-versions of the music recorded on it. I would like to record > over the old music and use this cassette, but I'm concerned that it may cause > some damage to my tape heads. (The heads in my CR-7 are new and I want to > keep them that way). > > Is this true, or is it safe to record using this cassette. Thank you all in > advance for your help with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Dec 1 17:48:21 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Copytech Corporation) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:48:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes References: <83.13df0352.29399f05@aol.com> <105a01c17a2a$634d25e0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0909D5.00000E.91077@mycomputer.coqui.net> Perhaps with the old Ampex versions of 456, but not with the 499 or the new GP 9. Quantegy still # 1 by far around the world but we have been using BASF Maxima 900 with very good results lately. It's more clean on your heads and has more punch. Any other brand, besides AGFA (bought by BASF) never made it good in the professional arena. On DAT tapes, the best in the world (the most expensive too) is the HHB, PERIOD. Maxell are the cheapest ones; good sound but fragile mechanism. BASF are excellent as well as Apogee but I suspect that the last one are made by a third party for them. My local competition use Sony Professional on DAT's with good results too. I still prefer to pay a little bit more and stick to HHB followed closely by BASF. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:41:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes I have found that something like 80 percent of recording studio people are brainwashed into believing that Ampex/Quantegy tape is the only thing to use. Of course, most of them have thus never tried anything else. I've not tried an Ampex cassette in years, but my experience with their "highest grades" pro reel tape, 1/4", 1/2" & up, has been pretty inexcusably bad. Durability is so poor, that I can't use the same section of tape for calibration for more than threee passes. That is totally pathetic. Whereas, I only need to replace my recording test Maxell UD tape about once every two years. In other words, it lasts about a few hundred times longer than Ampex/Quantegy. And it sounds damn good, too. Based on this experience, I personally avoid their cassettes. The only tapes of theirs I actually like better than others is the 467 DAT tape. But this is based on Ampex label, not Quantegy label, and I have heard that the Quantegy version is no longer the same tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes > Hi All, > > I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of > experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. > > One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. > During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the > TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy > as they produce studio quality blank reel media. Just wanted to ask if > anyone here has ever used their cassettes and what was your experience? > Thank you in advance, and please feel free to respond offline from > NakTalkers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Quantegy still # 1 by far around the world but we have been using BASF Maxima 900 with very good results lately. It's more clean on your heads and has more punch. Any other brand, besides AGFA (bought by BASF) never made it good in the professional arena... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roleo at telus.net Sat Dec 1 17:37:50 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:37:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <14e.4f290de.2939a5ad@aol.com> <3C08F9F0.48D64A16@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004401c17a86$8475bf00$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I have heard that all metal tapes will wear heads slightly more than standard or Cr02 tapes, but I don't know if MAX-G are any more guilty than the rest. Speaking of head wear, has anyone ever heard of using a product like Teac Stainless Steel Polish (SP-3) on tape heads to extend their use? It's a combination of silicone and some other stuff and supposedly routine use will extend head life by polishing and filling molecular size pores in the crystalline structure of the head. Could this work? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 1 17:40:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:40:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: what makes speakers tick Message-ID: <14e.4f9db30.293a61f6@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2001 9:02:16 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I am also indebted to Wouter, that made this wonderful forum available to us all. Thanks for your response, >> Here, Here! Thanks to Wouter from me as well! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: Copytech Corporation To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Perhaps with the old Ampex versions of 456, but not with the 499 or the new GP 9. Quantegy still # 1 by far around the world but we have been using BASF Maxima 900 with very good results lately. It's more clean on your heads and has more punch. Any other brand, besides AGFA (bought by BASF) never made it good in the professional arena. On DAT tapes, the best in the world (the most expensive too) is the HHB, PERIOD. Maxell are the cheapest ones; good sound but fragile mechanism. BASF are excellent as well as Apogee but I suspect that the last one are made by a third party for them. My local competition use Sony Professional on DAT's with good results too. I still prefer to pay a little bit more and stick to HHB followed closely by BASF. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:41:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes I have found that something like 80 percent of recording studio people are brainwashed into believing that Ampex/Quantegy tape is the only thing to use. Of course, most of them have thus never tried anything else. I've not tried an Ampex cassette in years, but my experience with their "highest grades" pro reel tape, 1/4", 1/2" & up, has been pretty inexcusably bad. Durability is so poor, that I can't use the same section of tape for calibration for more than threee passes. That is totally pathetic. Whereas, I only need to replace my recording test Maxell UD tape about once every two years. In other words, it lasts about a few hundred times longer than Ampex/Quantegy. And it sounds damn good, too. Based on this experience, I personally avoid their cassettes. The only tapes of theirs I actually like better than others is the 467 DAT tape. But this is based on Ampex label, not Quantegy label, and I have heard that the Quantegy version is no longer the same tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes > Hi All, > > I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of > experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. > > One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. > During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the > TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy > as they produce studio quality blank reel media. Just wanted to ask if > anyone here has ever used their cassettes and what was your experience? > Thank you in advance, and please feel free to respond offline from > NakTalkers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Dec 1 22:16:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Copytech Corporation) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:16:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes References: <83.13df0352.29399f05@aol.com> <105a01c17a2a$634d25e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C0909D5.00000E.91077@mycomputer.coqui.net> <005401c17a9b$5cf4a120$5c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3C0948BA.000004.56079@mycomputer.coqui.net> Yes, perhaps you are right, but when they tested 25 brands in 1998 the less digital errors and "best" sound were from HHB. The most resistant though, were BASF with over 100 passes before degradation. On my personal experience I have always preferred HHB. I hardly use any DAT now but I still have couple of boxes. Well, that's what they say ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 02:14:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes My DAT info. gives Ampex, HHB as made by Sony. Apogee by KAO which I believe is Korean. HHb HHb sells audio DAT tapes, which appear to be manufactured by Sony; the shells are identical to the Sony DSB shell except for the cool purple paint on the top surface. HHb/Sony See http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2684/dat-labels.html#Apogee The above lists are probably old so these suppliers may well have changed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Copytech Corporation To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes Perhaps with the old Ampex versions of 456, but not with the 499 or the new GP 9. Quantegy still # 1 by far around the world but we have been using BASF Maxima 900 with very good results lately. It's more clean on your heads and has more punch. Any other brand, besides AGFA (bought by BASF) never made it good in the professional arena. On DAT tapes, the best in the world (the most expensive too) is the HHB, PERIOD. Maxell are the cheapest ones; good sound but fragile mechanism. BASF are excellent as well as Apogee but I suspect that the last one are made by a third party for them. My local competition use Sony Professional on DAT's with good results too. I still prefer to pay a little bit more and stick to HHB followed closely by BASF. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:41:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes I have found that something like 80 percent of recording studio people are brainwashed into believing that Ampex/Quantegy tape is the only thing to use. Of course, most of them have thus never tried anything else. I've not tried an Ampex cassette in years, but my experience with their "highest grades" pro reel tape, 1/4", 1/2" & up, has been pretty inexcusably bad. Durability is so poor, that I can't use the same section of tape for calibration for more than threee passes. That is totally pathetic. Whereas, I only need to replace my recording test Maxell UD tape about once every two years. In other words, it lasts about a few hundred times longer than Ampex/Quantegy. And it sounds damn good, too. Based on this experience, I personally avoid their cassettes. The only tapes of theirs I actually like better than others is the 467 DAT tape. But this is based on Ampex label, not Quantegy label, and I have heard that the Quantegy version is no longer the same tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Quantegy cassettes > Hi All, > > I apologize for the off topic question again, but this group is so full of > experience and wisdom that I truly appreciate your advise and recommendations. > > One of the gentlemen training me owns his own live production company. > During a conversation about a recording I made for him using my CR-7 and the > TDK SMX blank cassette. He suggested that I pick up a cassette from Quantegy > as they produce studio quality blank reel media. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 2 01:06:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:06:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F35B.A83FA86@earthlink.net> <3C064BCA.94B879A2@concentric.net> <3C06688A.C3F7CCDD@earthlink.net> <3C07FB98.3570886D@concentric.net> <104c01c17a29$5bb1a0a0$403442cf@sank1> <3C08ED13.238BA36@concentric.net> Message-ID: <117201c17ac5$2f1f2200$403442cf@sank1> On repetitive waveforms, NFB & back-EMF effects look perfectly harmless, but it real-world music, or a storage-scope comparison of non-repetitive, broadband waveforms, it's a whole different enchilada. Have you never tried comparing the sound of an amp with & without NFB(assuming the amp is zero-NFB stable)? I've done it many times, on ss, tube & hybrid amps, and I have NEVER had an instance where the amp didn't sound at least less congested/convoluted with zero NFB. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The problem with your argument is that the EMF amplified through the > > feedback loop is even more delayed than the amp output, so the delay-induced > > distortion & phase smear even more of a problem. > > In 99.95% of amp designs there is no delay in the > NFB loop. If there was such a delay, the amp would > be unstable. If the amp has no 'phase smear' and > 'delay-induced distortion' (what's that?) without > back EMF, it won't have any with it. Regardless, > NFB reduces back EMF. > > > This kind of distortion needn't be very high to be objectionable. > > First -- we are not talking about 'not very high', but > about 'infinitesimal'. Second -- the issue is not > whether back EMF is audible, but whether bi-wiring > can possible make it less so (the answer is NO). > > BTW, what *is* audible in any speaker is the acoustical > distortion emitted by the cone. Luckily, quenching of > the back EMF by a power amp low output impedance reduces > this distortion. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:35 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Back EMF in loudspeakers (Was OT: McIntosh) > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > On the off chance that you and others here may be > > > interested in what makes our speaker systems tick, > > > I'll address the back EMF in more detail, keeping > > > as non technical as possible. Those that are > > > indifferent to technical speaker issues may do well > > > to hit DEL. This is bound to get longish. > > > > > > EMF (stands for ElectroMotive Force, which is another > > > way of saying 'voltage') is the inverse action of > > > magnetic devices. For example, if you apply voltage > > > to a DC motor, it will turn; but also, it you manually > > > turn the armature, a voltage will appear at the motor > > > terminals. This is reasonable, since you are applying > > > mechanical energy to the motor, that the motor converts > > > to electrical energy. IOW, the motor functions as a > > > generator. > > > > > > By the same token, when you apply a signal to a > > > loudspeaker, it will move the cone. If you manually > > > move the cone, a voltage will appear at the speaker > > > terminals. Again, the speaker has become a generator. > > > > > > Let's perform the following experiment: tap a loudspeaker > > > cone. You will hear an extended 'boing...'. You may be > > > able to actually see that the cone continues to vibrate > > > well after the short tap. Place a 'scope across the > > > speaker terminals and you will observe a longish EMF > > > signal that dies away slowly. The EMF is finally gone > > > after suspension friction and air resistance eventually > > > absorb all the cone energy. > > > > > > Now, short the speaker terminals and tap the cone again. > > > This time, the sound is more like a click. Looking at > > > 'scope, you see that the EMF is much lower in amplitude > > > and shorter than before. The reason for that is that the > > > mechanical energy of the cone is absorbed by the current > > > through the short. In fact, if the resistance of the > > > short was zero ohms, all that energy would be dissipated > > > instantly and no EMF will be observed at all. > > > Unfortunately, there is no such thing as zero ohms in the > > > real world. So, the lower the resistance of the short (as > > > compared to the speaker impedance), the lower will the > > > generated EMF be. Numerically, the EMF will be lowered by > > > roughly the ratio of speaker impedance to the short > > > resistance. > > > > > > Turns out speakers also produce EMF while they are > > > driven. This is because speakers are not perfect and > > > their cone motion does not exactly follow the input > > > signal. The motion component that is not related to > > > input signal (represents speaker distortion) causes > > > voltage to appear at the speaker terminals. This is > > > 'back EMF'. > > > > > > Good quality speakers produce from less than 1% to about > > > 8% distortion, which is roughly the level of back EMF in > > > such speakers. Anyone can call this "very significant > > > amount" (it's a free country...), but bear in mind that > > > the back EMF actually developed during use is far less, > > > as determined by the driving power amp characteristics. > > > > > > Here's what happens: the back EMF injected by the speaker > > > at the power amp output is seen by the amp as distortion > > > (the poor amp has no way of knowing whether this was > > > self generated or injected from the outside). The NFB > > > (Negative FeedBack) feature of the amp reduces this > > > distortion, thus *reducing* the back EMF. NFB accomplishes > > > this by feeding a portion of the output signal back to the > > > input. This is amplified, along with the input signal, and > > > causes a that portion of the back EMF to be *subtracted* > > > from the output, thus counteracting the back EMF produced > > > by the speaker. Unfortunately, this scheme cannot totally > > > eliminate back EMF, but it does reduce it significantly. > > > > > > Another way of looking at this same phenomenon is to > > > note that NFB reduces the output impedance of the power > > > amp. This output impedance is the equivalent of the > > > short applied in the experiment described above (since > > > it is placed across the speaker terminals): it reduces > > > the back EMF. By how much? This we already know: by > > > the ratio of the speaker impedance to the amp output > > > impedance. > > > > > > To make our life easier, amp manufacturers provide a > > > specification called DF (Damping factor), which is > > > defined as the ratio of the nominal speaker impedance > > > to the actual amp output impedance. Note that this is > > > the same number by which back EMF is reduced, as > > > described above. > > > > > > Now, for real world numbers. Say back EMF amounts to > > > 5% of the signal. This is reduced in a reasonable good > > > system by about 100, to 0.005%. In the absence of > > > bi-wiring, this is presented at the tweeter xover. Since > > > the frequency is at least two octaves under the tweeter > > > xover frequency, it is further attenuated by, say, 5 to 10, > > > to a level below 0.001%. That's orders of magnitude under > > > the crud you get from system distortion, room reflections > > > and the like, in even the best of systems. > > > > > > In a bi-wired system, this level would still be reduced > > > by a factor of roughly 2. This can't make an audible > > > difference. We are talking about 0.001%. Reducing it > > > by 2, by 3, or eve eliminating it entirely is moot. > > > That's why bi-wiring makes no audible difference. > > > > > > You will note that I have deftly refrained from discussing > > > the speaker cable and how it affects all this (and, yes, > > > it does). Maybe, some other time? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > I see where this is leading so I will nip it in the bud now. Those damn > > interminable > > > > disagreements.... > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > I hope you're enjoying your day , Ron! > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding back EMF, this is the exact reason that I > > > > > > prefer to bi-wire my speakers (Ron is going to love > > > > > > this! = ^ ) Instead of all that back EMF from the > > > > > > woofers being sent directly into the crossover, where > > > > > > it mucks up the sound of the rest of the speaker, > > > > > > it's forced back through the speaker cable into the > > > > > > output sections of the amp. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Ron had a good laugh at this... This is the > > > > > going argument for bi-wiring. There are only three things > > > > > wrong with it. > > > > > > > > > > First, during speaker operation, precious little back > > > > > EMF is generated, unless the cone is actually made to > > > > > move by an *external* force. > > > > > > > > > > Second (assuming for the sake of argument that back EMF > > > > > is actually generated and using real world numbers), if > > > > > a (mono wired) speaker cable is adequate, it's resistance > > > > > is of the same order as the output impedance of the amp > > > > > (actually, much less than that for tube amps, that have > > > > > a low DF). Thus, the reduction of that back EMF with > > > > > mono wiring is similar to the reduction with bi-wiring. > > > > > > > > > > Third, whatever back EMF is applied to the tweeter > > > > > xover, it can never reach the tweeter driver, even > > > > > with a mono wired cable, since it's the tweeter xover > > > > > filters it out. > > > > > > > > > > All these explain why bi-wiring doesn't make an audible > > > > > difference in blind listening tests. (As opposed to > > > > > sighted tests, where the perceived difference is > > > > > proportional to the cable cost -- but we've gone that > > > > > route before... ) > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 2 01:10:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:10:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17995$9f1f4840$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f9801c179c9$671e2220$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17a78$57778780$66289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <117801c17ac5$b00be4c0$403442cf@sank1> The new SF-91 laser may be operating at a wavelength that is incompatible with CD-R's, such that the light is inadequately reflected back to the photo-diode array. On that laser, you should be able to turn up the laser output(the pot on the pickup) to compensate. Just play a CD, looking at the amplitude of the signal on the "RF" testpoint. Stop, turn the pot a bit one way, then play & see if the amplitude has gone up or down. Turn the pot, finally, in the direction of more amplitude, and increase it by 15-20 percent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > Thanks for the confirmation, Stephen ! Probably the 2.2uF cap needs to be > replaced, but I can't find Low Noise electrolitycs here, so in the meantime > that resistor is an 'acceptable' workaround. > > Not to keep everybody else bored, I found another problem ... I replaced > MB1s optic with a 'generic' Sanyo SF91 (5/8) that came with sockets instead > of dangling cables - old optics' laser colour is pale blue compared to new > parts' dark solid blue. Connect the sockets using homemade cable, so far so > good - scratched CD which used to skip using old optics now tracks fine. > BUT ... I can't play CDR anymore !! > > Sometimes it doesn't even recognize there's a CDR disc on it, other times it > plays horribly (which was almost playable using old optics - and perfect on > MB2). I tried to tweak focus, track gain trimpots a bit with no luck. What > gives ? Incompatible laser ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > > > Sounds like you have done an excellent job. I am rather perplexed at the > > large value change required to get it right, though. Pretty odd. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 2 02:00:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:00:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap Message-ID: <11a701c17acc$bcc48f80$403442cf@sank1> Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 2 03:52:41 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:52:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Message-ID: <004a01c17adc$69bf19d0$68021fac@brianm> Hi all, This group seems to have a wide variety of knowledge, especially when it comes to electronics! My Dad has asked me to do some research in finding a Camcorder; I bought mine 10 years ago, so I am out of touch. He was hoping to spend no more than $300-400, I have no idea if this is reasonable, it sounds rather low to me. I would love some collective wisdom from this group, including sharing your thoughts on brands you feel pro and against. The only option he mentioned he preferred was the view screen while filming. I totally for got to ask him weather he wanted it to film on to VHS tapes; I am sure he never paid attention to the fact the that little jobs he likes do not have VHS tapes in it. Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Dec 2 04:13:10 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:13:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <11a701c17acc$bcc48f80$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C099C44.C41877C8@snet.net> Thanks for the scoop! Looks like I just got myself a big old Sansui for the bedroom system. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sun Dec 2 04:25:52 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:25:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <004a01c17adc$69bf19d0$68021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001d01c17ae1$0c050390$2102a8c0@henry> Unfortunately I have no experience with these things, but I happen to have a Crutchfield catalog in front of me. You can probably find better prices with a little searching, but I can verify that Sony models are running from $349 to $499 for Hi8/8mm camcorders. Hope that helps a little. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi all, This group seems to have a wide variety of knowledge, especially when it comes to electronics! My Dad has asked me to do some research in finding a Camcorder; I bought mine 10 years ago, so I am out of touch. He was hoping to spend no more than $300-400, I have no idea if this is reasonable, it sounds rather low to me. I would love some collective wisdom from this group, including sharing your thoughts on brands you feel pro and against. The only option he mentioned he preferred was the view screen while filming. I totally for got to ask him weather he wanted it to film on to VHS tapes; I am sure he never paid attention to the fact the that little jobs he likes do not have VHS tapes in it. Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 2 05:00:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:00:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <11a701c17acc$bcc48f80$403442cf@sank1> <3C099C44.C41877C8@snet.net> Message-ID: <11bc01c17ae5$df060e20$403442cf@sank1> Wow, you sure nailed it dirt cheap, Ed. Nice going. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > Thanks for the scoop! Looks like I just got myself a big old Sansui for the bedroom > system. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Dec 2 05:04:23 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:04:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <11a701c17acc$bcc48f80$403442cf@sank1> <3C099C44.C41877C8@snet.net> <11bc01c17ae5$df060e20$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C09A842.C444390E@snet.net> I was a little suprised when the last moment bidding frenzy didn't happen... I wasn't going to go high... and I didn't! Stephen Sank wrote: > Wow, you sure nailed it dirt cheap, Ed. Nice going. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > > > Thanks for the scoop! Looks like I just got myself a big old Sansui for > the bedroom > > system. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Dec 2 05:16:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:16:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <14e.4f290de.2939a5ad@aol.com> <3C08F9F0.48D64A16@concentric.net> <004401c17a86$8475bf00$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <000601c17ae8$19cab180$7b289bca@smarzuki> One thing for sure .. once you 'fill-in' the head gap, no sound will come out of it. Although I'm not sure how that special Teac polish works - and I experienced only temporary loss of HF after polishing the head, I don't recommend touching the surface of nak cass deck head, ever. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford 2" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > I have heard that all metal tapes will wear heads slightly more than > standard or Cr02 tapes, but I don't know if MAX-G are any more guilty than > the rest. > > Speaking of head wear, has anyone ever heard of using a product like Teac > Stainless Steel Polish (SP-3) on tape heads to extend their use? > > It's a combination of silicone and some other stuff and supposedly routine > use will extend head life by polishing and filling molecular size pores in > the crystalline structure of the head. > > Could this work? > > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > The new SF-91 laser may be operating at a wavelength that is incompatible > with CD-R's, such that the light is inadequately reflected back to the > photo-diode array. On that laser, you should be able to turn up the laser > output(the pot on the pickup) to compensate. Just play a CD, looking at the > amplitude of the signal on the "RF" testpoint. Stop, turn the pot a bit one > way, then play & see if the amplitude has gone up or down. Turn the pot, > finally, in the direction of more amplitude, and increase it by 15-20 > percent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 2 05:46:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:46:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Message-ID: <111.95de5ff.293b0c21@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2001 8:55:06 PM Central Standard Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Hi all, This group seems to have a wide variety of knowledge, especially when it comes to electronics! My Dad has asked me to do some research in finding a Camcorder; I bought mine 10 years ago, so I am out of touch. He was hoping to spend no more than $300-400, I have no idea if this is reasonable, it sounds rather low to me. I would love some collective wisdom from this group, including sharing your thoughts on brands you feel pro and against. The only option he mentioned he preferred was the view screen while filming. I totally for got to ask him weather he wanted it to film on to VHS tapes; I am sure he never paid attention to the fact the that little jobs he likes do not have VHS tapes in it. Thanks, Brian Miller >> Hi Brian, I don't know your father's level of comfort with electronics, but if he just wants something to tape events and share, I would imagine that the JVC camcorders would fit the bill. My Aunt has an early prosumer model that is at least 8-10 years old that still works well and is easy to use. The JVC models record to VHS-C and usually come with an adapter to play in a regular VCR. The JVC models also follow a simple control layout, and feature a color viewing screen. There are better models, but I don't think you'll find any easier to use than the JVCs. And as I understand, they invented this format. Anyone on this list know if that is true or not? However, if you father wants to delve into digital video I personally liked a few of the better Sony models I "played" with at my local Best Buy/Circuit City. In fact, Spike Lee shot an entire movie using Sony digital camcorders, so the quality is not bad. Remember, whichever model you choose, light and lens quality are everything. Maybe someone else in this group has more experience and can comment further. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 2 05:47:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:47:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap Message-ID: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/2001 9:17:34 PM Central Standard Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << Thanks for the scoop! Looks like I just got myself a big old Sansui for the bedroom system. Ed >> Congratulations Ed. Do you plan to have it modified? And, what speakers will you use with it? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 2 07:44:07 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:14:07 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <009c01c17afc$bf2c8e00$42d60192@vsnl> Being a metallurgist; I can authoritatively say that these polishing compunds may use Alumina ceramic material and may be used only if the head can be safely polished or if it can be verified that such solution does not damage the head - I doubt the claim about filling crystal gaps as the gaps are much smaller than the compounds and you require very sophisticated process to fill such gaps - may be PVD ( Physical Vapour Deposition) technique if they gap is bigger than an atom! The polishing technique is correctly called lapping process( a process which removes only few atomic layers on the top surface using less than 5micron sized Alumina or Diamond powders- Metallugists use this process to prior to observe the metal crystal structures on Microscope for quality evaluation) Where as emery paper polishing removes metal layer in large chunks. This type of lapping is used to correct uneven wear on Spool tape heads ( which are much bigger with longer magnetic cores than Cassette tape heads) to recover the worn-out heads. The shape of the heads are actually seen before as well as after lapping using microscope / optical projection system to verify whether the lapping is done correctly. This process iteself is sophisticated costing in 300 - 400$ per head ( while actual head costs are over thousand$!) However this may not be applicable to cassette tape heads as the available layer itself is small. And best method is to clean the heads with lint free cotton cloth soaked in isopropyl alcohol / or use MEK as suggested by Stephen to remove any oxide that may stick to the head top surface. Pleas note that Nak heads donot wear out due to pressure pad lifter as well as very low tape tension on top of the play head ( observation by Stephen over the years). Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > >One thing for sure .. once you 'fill-in' the head gap, no sound will come >out of it. > >Although I'm not sure how that special Teac polish works - and I experienced >only temporary loss of HF after polishing the head, I don't recommend >touching the surface of nak cass deck head, ever. > >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford 2" >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:37 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > >> I have heard that all metal tapes will wear heads slightly more than >> standard or Cr02 tapes, but I don't know if MAX-G are any more guilty than >> the rest. >> Speaking of head wear, has anyone ever heard of using a product like Teac >> Stainless Steel Polish (SP-3) on tape heads to extend their use? >> It's a combination of silicone and some other stuff and supposedly routine >> use will extend head life by polishing and filling molecular size pores in >> the crystalline structure of the head. >> Could this work? >> --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 2 07:50:30 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:20:30 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY Message-ID: <00a701c17afd$a20c1560$42d60192@vsnl> Actually Heathkit was selling such programme may be 10 years back which teaches modular courses from basic electronics to advanced electronics with self learning books/ kits. They had even specialised ones for Audio or Digital electronics area. Do such courses exist in US/ UK? I think plugging complete boards on Computer mother board buses killed enthusiasm to build using soldering guns! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > >Depends on what you want to learn. Skills in using a >soldering iron, along with how to work with a diode, >resistor, transistor or PCB, can only be obtained by >doing, after comparatively short introduction. > >Courses teaching this practical aspect of Electronics >are available in some community colleges and >institutions offering continuing education. Also, >some people are comfortable building educational kits. >The first kit to buy will contain the basic tools >(soldering iron, miniature long nose pliers, side >cutters, etc.), with a booklet that explains the hows >and whys. You can follow with a small kit that assembles >into, say, a 2W amplifier, color organ, remote control >or whatever. You can work yourself up to Vellemann's >90W per channel tube amp kit that costs $1000 (supposed >to be very good, but I never heard one). > >As to the theoretical side -- you can study at many >levels, from popular books all the way to a 4 year >Engineering college degree. The latter will include >substantial amounts of math and physics that many >people may not wish to tackle. If you are the type >that enjoys learning by reading (rather than hearing), >you can probably find an introductory book or two (or >twenty) at your local library, just to see whether it >whets your appetite or bores you to sleep. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > >josephj69 at juno.com wrote: >> >> I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. >> >> I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio >> Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than >> make a total mess. >> >> Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one >> go? A local college? >> >> - Joe >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 2 07:52:55 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:22:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY Message-ID: <00aa01c17afd$f8827ba0$42d60192@vsnl> What is our groups openion on Dynakit ST70 Amp as well as Pas series preamps - I see lot of them being traded on ebay in large quantities? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > >Depends on what you want to learn. Skills in using a >soldering iron, along with how to work with a diode, >resistor, transistor or PCB, can only be obtained by >doing, after comparatively short introduction. > . You can follow with a small kit that assembles >into, say, a 2W amplifier, color organ, remote control >or whatever. You can work yourself up to Vellemann's >90W per channel tube amp kit that costs $1000 (supposed >to be very good, but I never heard one). > >As to the theoretical side -- you can study at many >levels, from popular books all the way to a 4 year >Engineering college degree. The latter will include >substantial amounts of math and physics that many >people may not wish to tackle. If you are the type >that enjoys learning by reading (rather than hearing), >you can probably find an introductory book or two (or >twenty) at your local library, just to see whether it >whets your appetite or bores you to sleep. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 10:26:17 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:26:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT? DIY In-Reply-To: <00aa01c17afd$f8827ba0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001101c17b13$6555c740$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Never heard either but when I made enquires about the Dynaco ST70 several "experts" in ST70 directed me to look at the uglier Eico ST70, which they maintained offers superior performance in terms of sound quality. The to summarise the general opinion offered to me was that the Eico and Dynaco both offered a lovely, natural, mid range but the Eico out performs it on reproducing the highs and in offering a very controlled (and at least as deep) bass. The other thing about Eico ST70's is that they are so ugly they tend to sell for less than the Dynaco's!!! So, on that basis (for the import cost for either is hugely expensive for me because of their weight!) won a partially renovated Eico on e-Bay, which works a treat. It was certainly far far better that my Quad 44 and single stereo 405 combination in all respects apart from stereo separation. It's absolutely gorgeous with female voice and acoustic intruments but it can also rock well and offers me some fine jazz, too. In fact, I've only recently reverted back to using the now-modified Quad 44 and two mono 405 power amps. Even then, in my opinion, its phono stage is STILL better than that on the Quad 44. In fact, having just broken some of the Quad 44's dip switches (they seem to have become brittle) and sent it back to Quad for repair, I've realised the pre-amp stage of my old Rotel integrated amp is better than the Quad! I've a feeling that the 44 is going to have a long rest ... BTW, the fact that I now realise the Rotel's pre-amp stage is better than the Quad, makes me wonder what else I'm missing by now having a proper, dedicated pre-amp. Any recommendations? In fact I just turned down an offer from a e-Bay trader in the US to sell me a nice Nakamichi CA-5 for $200, which seems cheap but it wouldn't be after shipping costs and import duty! Oddly enough I might even consider paying more to make the shipping costs seem more worthwhile! (But a better alternative for me may be to check out the amps selling in Germany on e-Bay...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 02 December 2001 06:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY What is our groups openion on Dynakit ST70 Amp as well as Pas series preamps - I see lot of them being traded on ebay in large quantities? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > >Depends on what you want to learn. Skills in using a >soldering iron, along with how to work with a diode, >resistor, transistor or PCB, can only be obtained by >doing, after comparatively short introduction. > . You can follow with a small kit that assembles >into, say, a 2W amplifier, color organ, remote control >or whatever. You can work yourself up to Vellemann's >90W per channel tube amp kit that costs $1000 (supposed >to be very good, but I never heard one). > >As to the theoretical side -- you can study at many >levels, from popular books all the way to a 4 year >Engineering college degree. The latter will include >substantial amounts of math and physics that many >people may not wish to tackle. If you are the type >that enjoys learning by reading (rather than hearing), >you can probably find an introductory book or two (or >twenty) at your local library, just to see whether it >whets your appetite or bores you to sleep. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 10:26:13 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:26:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcorder In-Reply-To: <004a01c17adc$69bf19d0$68021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000701c17b13$628eb800$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Personally, I'd go for a digital camcorder, possibly a Panasonic, Canon or Sony, from which one could take a line out and directly into your dad's existing (I presume he has?) VHS recorder. For best results/value, look out for the prices of discontinued digi' models. The best quality pictures come from 3 chip digi's but even at heavy discount prices you'd be lucky to get one at that budget range. However, even single chip digi's will offer a better picture (in my opinion) than VHS or even S/VHS. To better them you'd need to either have a 3 chip camera, a U-matic or a full size professional video camera costing min. $4k and probably much more even 2nd hand. My wife is (when she can get the work!) a TV director and journalist and we managed to buy for her a discontinued 3 chip semi-pro' Panasonic camera to use for her work. (The model number escapes me - she has it with her while she's living abroad with the children for a few months...) It was genuinely reduced from about £2.5k to £900. Still a lot of money but dirt cheap for broadcast quality video. For "home" videos, she simply copies from the camera what she wants to keep from the camera directly onto our ageing VHS home recorder. It also has an external screen....But be warned! Those screens don't half drain the batteries! So, if your dad gets one he'll need a couple spare for those week long vacations, while you keep the 3rd on charge back in the hotel. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 02:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi all, This group seems to have a wide variety of knowledge, especially when it comes to electronics! My Dad has asked me to do some research in finding a Camcorder; I bought mine 10 years ago, so I am out of touch. He was hoping to spend no more than $300-400, I have no idea if this is reasonable, it sounds rather low to me. I would love some collective wisdom from this group, including sharing your thoughts on brands you feel pro and against. The only option he mentioned he preferred was the view screen while filming. I totally for got to ask him weather he wanted it to film on to VHS tapes; I am sure he never paid attention to the fact the that little jobs he likes do not have VHS tapes in it. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 10:26:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:26:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG In-Reply-To: <009c01c17afc$bf2c8e00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001201c17b13$66e89c40$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Kannan - excellent, clear explanation. Techies may note, I find this piece of writing about a technical subject is as clear as a bell ringing on a lazy Summer Sunday morning. A lovely explanation that was completely understood by this layman with no previous knowledge of metallurgy. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 02 December 2001 06:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Being a metallurgist; I can authoritatively say that these polishing compunds may use Alumina ceramic material and may be used only if the head can be safely polished or if it can be verified that such solution does not damage the head - I doubt the claim about filling crystal gaps as the gaps are much smaller than the compounds and you require very sophisticated process to fill such gaps - may be PVD ( Physical Vapour Deposition) technique if they gap is bigger than an atom! The polishing technique is correctly called lapping process( a process which removes only few atomic layers on the top surface using less than 5micron sized Alumina or Diamond powders- Metallugists use this process to prior to observe the metal crystal structures on Microscope for quality evaluation) Where as emery paper polishing removes metal layer in large chunks. This type of lapping is used to correct uneven wear on Spool tape heads ( which are much bigger with longer magnetic cores than Cassette tape heads) to recover the worn-out heads. The shape of the heads are actually seen before as well as after lapping using microscope / optical projection system to verify whether the lapping is done correctly. This process iteself is sophisticated costing in 300 - 400$ per head ( while actual head costs are over thousand$!) However this may not be applicable to cassette tape heads as the available layer itself is small. And best method is to clean the heads with lint free cotton cloth soaked in isopropyl alcohol / or use MEK as suggested by Stephen to remove any oxide that may stick to the head top surface. Pleas note that Nak heads donot wear out due to pressure pad lifter as well as very low tape tension on top of the play head ( observation by Stephen over the years). Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Dec 2 14:20:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:20:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] new optics problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17995$9f1f4840$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f9801c179c9$671e2220$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17a78$57778780$66289bca@smarzuki> <117801c17ac5$b00be4c0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c17b34$208e5840$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Either the new pickup is somewhat defective or, more likely, bad connector / socket / cable. Voltage readout on TP (marked IOP per manual) is already a good 5.38V (=0.54mA). Now I'm back using the old laser but turn the optics trimpot to max out at 4.92V - enable it to read CDR better - and breathing its last breath. Moral of the story: use Nak genuine parts ... BTW, I heard that the use of certain media / CDR can possibly shorten optics' life. Is there any truth behind this myth ? The blue colored cdr (tdk etc) sometimes difficult to be read by regular player, does optics' current increase when trying to read 'difficult' media ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > The new SF-91 laser may be operating at a wavelength that is incompatible > with CD-R's, such that the light is inadequately reflected back to the > photo-diode array. On that laser, you should be able to turn up the laser > output(the pot on the pickup) to compensate. Just play a CD, looking at the > amplitude of the signal on the "RF" testpoint. Stop, turn the pot a bit one > way, then play & see if the amplitude has gone up or down. Turn the pot, > finally, in the direction of more amplitude, and increase it by 15-20 > percent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Dec 2 14:28:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:28:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <009c01c17afc$bf2c8e00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000d01c17b35$3279a2c0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Kannan, please remember the worn out head pics I sent you ... :-) So P8L does eventually go out but looong way to go compared to pressurepadless deck. Funny that I have 2 'normal' worn rec head but only 1 worn pb head, probably mislaigned stroke thing. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > Being a metallurgist; I can authoritatively say that these polishing > compunds may use Alumina ceramic material and may be used only if the head > can be safely polished or if it can be verified that such solution does not > damage the head - I doubt the claim about filling crystal gaps as the gaps > are much smaller than the compounds and you require very sophisticated > process to fill such gaps - may be PVD ( Physical Vapour Deposition) > technique if they gap is bigger than an atom! > > The polishing technique is correctly called lapping process( a process which > removes only few atomic layers on the top surface using less than 5micron > sized Alumina or Diamond powders- Metallugists use this process to prior to > observe the metal crystal structures on Microscope for quality evaluation) > Where as emery paper polishing removes metal layer in large chunks. This > type of lapping is used to correct uneven wear on Spool tape heads ( which > are much bigger with longer magnetic cores than Cassette tape heads) to > recover the worn-out heads. The shape of the heads are actually seen before > as well as after lapping using microscope / optical projection system to > verify whether the lapping is done correctly. This process iteself is > sophisticated costing in 300 - 400$ per head ( while actual head costs are > over thousand$!) > > However this may not be applicable to cassette tape heads as the available > layer itself is small. And best method is to clean the heads with lint free > cotton cloth soaked in isopropyl alcohol / or use MEK as suggested by > Stephen to remove any oxide that may stick to the head top surface. > Pleas note that Nak heads donot wear out due to pressure pad lifter as well > as very low tape tension on top of the play head ( observation by Stephen > over the years). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Dec 2 15:26:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:26:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <009c01c17afc$bf2c8e00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001001c17b3d$8bfb2c80$56299bca@smarzuki> Sorry Kannan ! Forgot to say thanks for the wonderful explanation. BTW for those interested here's links to JRF relapping service site which contains some good read: www.jrfmagnetics.com/JRF_mainpage.html. They're for pro / reel deck, not cassette decks, as the slow cass speed and narrower size of cass head made the gap more fragile. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > Being a metallurgist; I can authoritatively say that these polishing > compunds may use Alumina ceramic material and may be used only if the head > can be safely polished or if it can be verified that such solution does not ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 16:31:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:31:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG In-Reply-To: <001001c17b3d$8bfb2c80$56299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001901c17b46$724f2080$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be applied to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do to play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it when I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have been a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it completely it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of £££'s ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon I might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed a bit harder.... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 December 2001 02:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Sorry Kannan ! Forgot to say thanks for the wonderful explanation. BTW for those interested here's links to JRF relapping service site which contains some good read: www.jrfmagnetics.com/JRF_mainpage.html. They're for pro / reel deck, not cassette decks, as the slow cass speed and narrower size of cass head made the gap more fragile. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 2 17:13:36 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:13:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001901c17b46$724f2080$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c17b4c$4c07e000$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> I thought it was to much for the dog when you landed on her `,-) (what's your weight by the way, just to get the right picture?). What's that about the wife: would she have died or turned ex-wife or would the dog have died there and then if she had landed on it? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how > its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on > metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be applied > to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of > some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay > someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I > immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged > polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the > surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to > give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my > already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do to > play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it when > I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a > consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew > old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have been > a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it completely > it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink > Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of £££'s > ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success > but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon I > might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed a > bit harder.... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 02 December 2001 02:27 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > Sorry Kannan ! Forgot to say thanks for the wonderful explanation. > > BTW for those interested here's links to JRF relapping service site which > contains some good read: www.jrfmagnetics.com/JRF_mainpage.html. They're > for pro / reel deck, not cassette decks, as the slow cass speed and narrower > size of cass head made the gap more fragile. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 17:20:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG In-Reply-To: <000601c17b4c$4c07e000$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001a01c17b4d$4885a1a0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> LOL! To answer, Ole: If the wife had caused me to fall on the PT lid, she'd have become an ex-wife! And if she had fallen on the dog, at that time the dog would have survived. But if she did it today - assuming the dog were still alive, which she isn't - the dog would have died!!! Is that clear???! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 02 December 2001 04:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG I thought it was to much for the dog when you landed on her `,-) (what's your weight by the way, just to get the right picture?). What's that about the wife: would she have died or turned ex-wife or would the dog have died there and then if she had landed on it? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how > its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on > metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be applied > to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of > some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay > someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I > immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged > polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the > surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to > give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my > already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do to > play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it when > I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a > consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew > old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have been > a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it completely > it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink > Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of £££'s > ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success > but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon I > might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed a > bit harder.... > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 2 18:00:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:00:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17ae1$0c050390$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3C0A5E33.DFC7CEC9@concentric.net> >Unfortunately I have no experience with these things, but >I happen to have a Crutchfield catalog in front of me. >You can probably find better prices with a little >searching, but I can verify that Sony models are running >from $349 to $499 for Hi8/8mm camcorders. > >Hope that helps a little. > >Tim Tim, You can find a reasonable Hi8 camcorder for about $400 in any of a number of mail order sources. (Hi8 is much preferable to 8mm, especially if you transfer to VHS or S-VHS.) I got my Hitachi camcorder from OneCall a couple of years ago for about $400 and it has all the features one would want for non-professional applications. Crutchfield is a good vendor, but by no means a low cost one. Two others that are good but offer lower prices are OneCall and Camera World. Both have websites. You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a sharp decline for thae past dew years. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 2 18:00:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:00:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17ae1$0c050390$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3C0A5E3A.A29A1DC3@concentric.net> >Unfortunately I have no experience with these things, but >I happen to have a Crutchfield catalog in front of me. >You can probably find better prices with a little >searching, but I can verify that Sony models are running >from $349 to $499 for Hi8/8mm camcorders. > >Hope that helps a little. > >Tim Tim, You can find a reasonable Hi8 camcorder for about $400 in any of a number of mail order sources. (Hi8 is much preferable to 8mm, especially if you transfer to VHS or S-VHS.) I got my Hitachi camcorder from OneCall a couple of years ago for about $400 and it has all the features one would want for non-professional applications. Crutchfield is a good vendor, but by no means a low cost one. Two others that are good but offer lower prices are OneCall and Camera World. Both have websites. You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a sharp decline for thae past dew years. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 2 18:05:03 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:05:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001a01c17b4d$4885a1a0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000a01c17b53$7c3f26a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Yes, thanks, now I see it clearly - just wonder if your wife sees these mails? I once had a PT. I liked it a lot but had to trade it in (1985) for a Mapplenoll airbearing turntable with tangential airborn arm. Built like a clumsy tank. Quite good musically but I miss the elegance of the PT and I get tired of the hiss from the air-compressor (from a refrigerator). Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > LOL! To answer, Ole: If the wife had caused me to fall on the PT lid, > she'd have become an ex-wife! And if she had fallen on the dog, at that > time the dog would have survived. But if she did it today - assuming the > dog were still alive, which she isn't - the dog would have died!!! Is that > clear???! ;o) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 02 December 2001 04:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > I thought it was to much for the dog when you landed on her `,-) (what's > your weight by the way, just to get the right picture?). What's that about > the wife: would she have died or turned ex-wife or would the dog have died > there and then if she had landed on it? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how > > its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on > > metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be > applied > > to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of > > some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay > > someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I > > immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged > > polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the > > surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to > > give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my > > already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do > to > > play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it > when > > I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a > > consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew > > old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have > been > > a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it > completely > > it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink > > Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of > £££'s > > ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success > > but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon > I > > might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed > a > > bit harder.... > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 2 18:13:54 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:13:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17ae1$0c050390$2102a8c0@henry> <3C0A5E33.DFC7CEC9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <007101c17b54$b8c76870$a8021fac@brianm> Thanks for the tip on Sony Ron, they would of been one of my first choices. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > >Unfortunately I have no experience with these things, but > >I happen to have a Crutchfield catalog in front of me. > >You can probably find better prices with a little > >searching, but I can verify that Sony models are running > >from $349 to $499 for Hi8/8mm camcorders. > > > >Hope that helps a little. > > > >Tim > > Tim, > > You can find a reasonable Hi8 camcorder for about > $400 in any of a number of mail order sources. (Hi8 > is much preferable to 8mm, especially if you transfer > to VHS or S-VHS.) I got my Hitachi camcorder from > OneCall a couple of years ago for about $400 and it > has all the features one would want for non-professional > applications. > > Crutchfield is a good vendor, but by no means a low > cost one. Two others that are good but offer lower > prices are OneCall and Camera World. Both have websites. > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 2 19:44:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:44:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001901c17b46$724f2080$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0A76A9.822C1F3F@earthlink.net> Hi Graham, Would you give us more details on the exact compound? Thanks = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how > its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on > metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be applied > to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of > some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay > someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I > immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged > polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the > surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to > give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my > already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do to > play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it when > I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a > consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew > old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have been > a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it completely > it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink > Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of £££'s > ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success > but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon I > might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed a > bit harder.... > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 2 19:57:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:57:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] new optics problem References: <000901c175e5$0d5947c0$54289bca@smarzuki> <04aa01c175fe$1e3642a0$403442cf@sank1> <002d01c178fa$4989a880$68289bca@smarzuki> <0e0401c1794e$5ae5bca0$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17995$9f1f4840$52289bca@smarzuki> <0f9801c179c9$671e2220$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17a78$57778780$66289bca@smarzuki> <117801c17ac5$b00be4c0$403442cf@sank1> <000401c17b34$208e5840$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <11f201c17b63$24c2a7c0$403442cf@sank1> That is a myth. The laser's output power is regulated using a monitor photodiode that is directly next to the laser diode, i.e., before the light goes anywhere. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] new optics problem > > Hi Stephen, > > Either the new pickup is somewhat defective or, more likely, bad connector / > socket / cable. Voltage readout on TP (marked IOP per manual) is already a > good 5.38V (=0.54mA). Now I'm back using the old laser but turn the optics > trimpot to max out at 4.92V - enable it to read CDR better - and breathing > its last breath. Moral of the story: use Nak genuine parts ... > > BTW, I heard that the use of certain media / CDR can possibly shorten > optics' life. Is there any truth behind this myth ? The blue colored cdr > (tdk etc) sometimes difficult to be read by regular player, does optics' > current increase when trying to read 'difficult' media ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682 test tone problem > > > > The new SF-91 laser may be operating at a wavelength that is incompatible > > with CD-R's, such that the light is inadequately reflected back to the > > photo-diode array. On that laser, you should be able to turn up the laser > > output(the pot on the pickup) to compensate. Just play a CD, looking at > the > > amplitude of the signal on the "RF" testpoint. Stop, turn the pot a bit > one > > way, then play & see if the amplitude has gone up or down. Turn the pot, > > finally, in the direction of more amplitude, and increase it by 15-20 > > percent. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 2 20:04:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:04:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <009c01c17afc$bf2c8e00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C0A7B2F.80111B0E@concentric.net> Years ago, I was told that polishing badly scratched tape heads (that's 1/4", not cassette heads) with talc, may bring them back to usable life. Never tried it, though, so can't vouch for it. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Being a metallurgist; I can authoritatively say that these polishing > compunds may use Alumina ceramic material and may be used only if the head > can be safely polished or if it can be verified that such solution does not > damage the head - I doubt the claim about filling crystal gaps as the gaps > are much smaller than the compounds and you require very sophisticated > process to fill such gaps - may be PVD ( Physical Vapour Deposition) > technique if they gap is bigger than an atom! > > The polishing technique is correctly called lapping process( a process which > removes only few atomic layers on the top surface using less than 5micron > sized Alumina or Diamond powders- Metallugists use this process to prior to > observe the metal crystal structures on Microscope for quality evaluation) > Where as emery paper polishing removes metal layer in large chunks. This > type of lapping is used to correct uneven wear on Spool tape heads ( which > are much bigger with longer magnetic cores than Cassette tape heads) to > recover the worn-out heads. The shape of the heads are actually seen before > as well as after lapping using microscope / optical projection system to > verify whether the lapping is done correctly. This process iteself is > sophisticated costing in 300 - 400$ per head ( while actual head costs are > over thousand$!) > > However this may not be applicable to cassette tape heads as the available > layer itself is small. And best method is to clean the heads with lint free > cotton cloth soaked in isopropyl alcohol / or use MEK as suggested by > Stephen to remove any oxide that may stick to the head top surface. > Pleas note that Nak heads donot wear out due to pressure pad lifter as well > as very low tape tension on top of the play head ( observation by Stephen > over the years). > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > >One thing for sure .. once you 'fill-in' the head gap, no sound will come > >out of it. > > > >Although I'm not sure how that special Teac polish works - and I > experienced > >only temporary loss of HF after polishing the head, I don't recommend > >touching the surface of nak cass deck head, ever. > > > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Roland Alford 2" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > > >> I have heard that all metal tapes will wear heads slightly more than > >> standard or Cr02 tapes, but I don't know if MAX-G are any more guilty > than > >> the rest. > >> Speaking of head wear, has anyone ever heard of using a product like Teac > >> Stainless Steel Polish (SP-3) on tape heads to extend their use? > >> It's a combination of silicone and some other stuff and supposedly > routine > >> use will extend head life by polishing and filling molecular size pores > in > >> the crystalline structure of the head. > >> Could this work? > >> --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 20:15:41 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:15:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <3C0A5E3A.A29A1DC3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a sharp decline for thae past dew years. -- Ron Ron That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' 3-chip digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is very popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although it's becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they are working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' camcorders being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will probably be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of them more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic NV-DX100 - like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of date already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good prices. Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it doesn't have a swing out screen. Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that are worth a closer look: JVC GR-FXM15 Panasonic Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; Canon G1000; UC-V300 Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 Samsung VP-L300 These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 21:00:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:00:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: In-Reply-To: <000a01c17b53$7c3f26a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001e01c17b6c$0d0e2600$98b787d9@a4s1s2> In spite of the fact that my wife has a degree in TV and Cinematic Sound Engineering and did her dissertation on the design of a speaker system for a concert hall, these days its difficult to get her to pick up a screwdriver let alone build me a pair of speakers to die for! She is well qualified to teach me how to build or repair hi fi but she just won't do it. Indeed, she has so little appetite for hi fi save to borrow mine to listen to her CDs and LPs ... so, I think I'm very safe that she won't be reading this!!! Ho! Ho! Although, Nick might tip her off as she's in Moscow at the moment ... don't do it, Nick! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 02 December 2001 05:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Yes, thanks, now I see it clearly - just wonder if your wife sees these mails? I once had a PT. I liked it a lot but had to trade it in (1985) for a Mapplenoll airbearing turntable with tangential airborn arm. Built like a clumsy tank. Quite good musically but I miss the elegance of the PT and I get tired of the hiss from the air-compressor (from a refrigerator). Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > LOL! To answer, Ole: If the wife had caused me to fall on the PT lid, > she'd have become an ex-wife! And if she had fallen on the dog, at that > time the dog would have survived. But if she did it today - assuming the > dog were still alive, which she isn't - the dog would have died!!! Is that > clear???! ;o) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 21:00:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:00:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG In-Reply-To: <3C0A76A9.822C1F3F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 02 December 2001 06:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Hi Graham, Would you give us more details on the exact compound? Thanks = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Indeed, Salim! In fact, Kannan got me thinking about metal polish and how > its presumably minute abrasive quality is sufficient to remove deposits on > metals and expose a smooth, shining finish ... and how that might be applied > to Perspex turntable covers (or even cassette deck covers, in the case of > some older top-loaders.) This was on my mind anyway as I spotted in e-Bay > someone selling a polish supposedly just for Perspex TT covers. I > immediately thought when I saw the ad' "I'll be that's simply repackaged > polish of the kind that is often used to remove minute scratches from the > surface of cars ..." However, having read Kannan's passage I decided to > give it a try - got myself some cheap metal polish and tried it out on my > already damaged PT TOO dust cover. (I had taken it off the TT, as you do to > play records, but foolishly put it on the floor, where up I fell on it when > I tripped over my ex-dog. Dog lover note, she is not an ex-dog as a > consequence of this action!!! Loved her too much for that! She just grew > old and died. Now, if the wife had caused the accident ... might have been > a different matter!!!) So, if the metal polish had beggared it completely > it wouldn't have mattered. (I could get a replacement cover but Pink > Triangle advise that they cost around £120!!! Yeah, like I'm made of £££'s > ...) Anyway. I've tried it. I would say it's been a fantastic success > but the polish has certainly removed may of the tiny scratches. I reckon I > might improve on this good finish if I applied some more polish and rubbed a > bit harder.... > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 2 22:29:36 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:29:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000701c17b78$71bdf150$a8021fac@brianm> Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that > are worth a closer look: > > JVC GR-FXM15 > Panasonic > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > Samsung VP-L300 > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 2 22:37:04 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:37:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0A9F00.F0CEF2F7@earthlink.net> hmmm... Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 2 22:36:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:36:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0A9EE6.36BE8740@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > -- Ron > > Ron > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' 3-chip > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is very > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although it's > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they are > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' camcorders > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will probably > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of them > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic NV-DX100 - > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of date > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good prices. > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it doesn't > have a swing out screen. > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that > are worth a closer look: > > JVC GR-FXM15 > Panasonic > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > Samsung VP-L300 > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > Graham I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 22:24:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:24:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <000701c17b78$71bdf150$a8021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002001c17b77$b8477520$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox PR99! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 2 22:46:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0A9F00.F0CEF2F7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0AA14E.7C33FEA5@concentric.net> I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 2 22:59:52 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <002001c17b77$b8477520$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005b01c17b7c$abfa6700$a8021fac@brianm> Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox > PR99! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 22:41:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <3C0A9EE6.36BE8740@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002101c17b7a$284dd2e0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on it. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 2 23:11:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0A9F00.F0CEF2F7@earthlink.net> <3C0AA14E.7C33FEA5@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0AA729.D8521B86@earthlink.net> Thanks Ron... and Graham too! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 2 23:07:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <005b01c17b7c$abfa6700$a8021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera around ... I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture quality. Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home movies!!! Graham PS The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 00:20:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <123701c17b87$f18dfba0$403442cf@sank1> Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being pre-1992. So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best downwards: Sony: CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 3 00:43:04 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> <123701c17b87$f18dfba0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <02f401c17b8b$16e288a0$a8021fac@brianm> Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this would be relatively simple!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 3 00:51:12 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 In-Reply-To: <200112022348.AAA25079@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Brian, In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last several years with 3 models: Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation product but won't stand up to current models. My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro feature. I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. Am certain it would be awesome. Things to keep in mind: The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. The flashes are usually wimpy. The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display rather than through the rangefinder. By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often email pix of our product to clients. Hope this helps, TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox > PR99! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on it. Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. - -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Thanks Ron... and Graham too! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera around ... I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture quality. Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home movies!!! Graham PS The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being pre-1992. So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best downwards: Sony: CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1616 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 00:54:48 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:54:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Message-ID: <003801c17b8c$ba67fea0$518ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 01:09:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:09:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> <123701c17b87$f18dfba0$403442cf@sank1> <02f401c17b8b$16e288a0$a8021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <125a01c17b8e$c7f6d760$403442cf@sank1> Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from finishing your Moscode amp! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 3 01:08:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:08:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 References: Message-ID: <030501c17b8e$a5951d30$a8021fac@brianm> Much help indeed Tom! The Coolpix 800 was the one I was considering a couple years ago. Are the pictures a lot better on the 990? I did a quick search and found the Coopix 800 still available for $309! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 3 01:17:03 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:17:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 In-Reply-To: <200112030021.BAA25330@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Stephen: Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly use them because: The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. The timer can easily be set to record unattended. I can get 2 hour recordings easily. They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the time limit of a tape? TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this would be relatively simple!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 Brian, In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last several years with 3 models: Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation product but won't stand up to current models. My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro feature. I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. Am certain it would be awesome. Things to keep in mind: The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. The flashes are usually wimpy. The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display rather than through the rangefinder. By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often email pix of our product to clients. Hope this helps, TomD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox > PR99! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on it. Graham - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. - - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. - - -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Thanks Ron... and Graham too! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera around ... I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture quality. Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home movies!!! Graham PS The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being pre-1992. So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best downwards: Sony: CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 3 01:33:13 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:33:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 In-Reply-To: <200112030047.BAA25541@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Brian: To be honest with you I have not directly compared the pix from the 2 cameras. I will do so tomorrow and let you know. The biggest difference I have found between them is related to the flash, the 800 does not support an external flash. But I will compare a few files tomorrow and let you know my findings. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:47 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1618 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:54:48 -0000 From: "Sinclair Forrest" Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and = head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA = metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a = supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of = =A30.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although = the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of = you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, = especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order = from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the = like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" = as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    I've been following = the recent=20 exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've=20 used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any = obvious=20 problems.  I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at = the highly=20 respectable price of =A30.69p each) to try on my Dragon.  They seem = pretty=20 decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black = MX=20 ones.  Any of you tried these tapes?
    In fact, getting = decent tapes is=20 becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands = (the=20 Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these = days of=20 CDR, Minidisc and the like.  I've decided to try to build up as big = a=20 supply of "Dragon food" as possible  -  can't have the poor = beast=20 starving!
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:09:29 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from finishing your Moscode amp! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:08:32 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 Much help indeed Tom! The Coolpix 800 was the one I was considering a couple years ago. Are the pictures a lot better on the 990? I did a quick search and found the Coopix 800 still available for $309! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:17:03 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 Stephen: Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly use them because: The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. The timer can easily be set to record unattended. I can get 2 hour recordings easily. They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the time limit of a tape? TomD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this would be relatively simple!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 Brian, In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last several years with 3 models: Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation product but won't stand up to current models. My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro feature. I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. Am certain it would be awesome. Things to keep in mind: The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. The flashes are usually wimpy. The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display rather than through the rangefinder. By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often email pix of our product to clients. Hope this helps, TomD - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox > PR99! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on it. Graham - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. - - - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. Graham - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. - - - -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Thanks Ron... and Graham too! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera around ... I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture quality. Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home movies!!! Graham PS The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being pre-1992. So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best downwards: Sony: CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Back to work! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from > finishing your Moscode amp! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > > would be relatively simple!!! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder > work > > up > > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, > and, > > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > > that > > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks > are > > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, > both > > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal > fav > > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use > of > > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within > 3 > > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > > made > > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > > ebay > > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see > that > > a > > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > > pre-1992. > > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > > actually > > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > > best > > > downwards: > > > Sony: > > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take > 90 > > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of > the > > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > > OEM'd > > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of > applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > > ten > > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's > fine > > > for > > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > > not > > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > > more, > > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > > get > > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > > analogy, > > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > > separation > > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > > tend > > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > > certain > > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > > better > > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > > U-matic > > > a > > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > > the > > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > > format > > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > > camcorders > > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of > picture > > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > > don't > > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy > with > > > the > > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > > other!!! > > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > > the > > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got > for > > a > > > 3 > > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > > camcorders - > > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when > you > > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > > home > > > > movies!!! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > PS > > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > > are > > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > > not > > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > > Nikon > > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 01:46:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:46:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 References: Message-ID: <128e01c17b94$012717c0$403442cf@sank1> Those must be HS-U81 series or earlier, I think, to have manual rec level & sound decent. The 81 & 80 are actually nice machines. Mitsu's before & since have been fair to terrible. Mostly terrible. The Sony 8mm & Hi8 decks virtually all have hifi stereo(minimally had mono hifi in the earliest models), and the upper end decks like the EV-S3000 have hifi stereo AND PCM digital stereo audio simultaneously. Despite the fact that the PCM is 32kHz sampling & therefore limited to 15kHz audio, it sounds better than any hifi tracks on any format I've ever heard. All 8mm/Hi8 Sony decks can do both 2hr & 4hr recording. And you lose no audio quality on 4hr and barely, if any, video quality. The best "budget" used hi8/PCM-audio deck to get is the EV-S550. Basically, an EV-S3000 without the extensive editing features or digital TBC/noise reduction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > Stephen: > > Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of > Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly > use them because: > > The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. > The timer can easily be set to record unattended. > I can get 2 hour recordings easily. > They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is > recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago > Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. > > Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have > this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the > time limit of a tape? > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 > From: "Tom Dedrick" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > Brian, > > In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last > several years with 3 models: > > Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good > pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation > product but won't stand up to current models. > > My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n > shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way > under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about > 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. > > My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at > the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased > this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the > Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model > number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky > flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also > has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back > and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens > is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have > found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above > your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The > resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro > feature. > > I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. > Am certain it would be awesome. > > Things to keep in mind: > The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix > files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen > a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. > The flashes are usually wimpy. > The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact > flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA > adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now > there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should > be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. > It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display > rather than through the rangefinder. > > By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often > email pix of our product to clients. > > Hope this helps, > TomD > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it > does > > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual > standards > > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the > format > > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a > Revox > > PR99! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service > and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality > control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured > in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the > quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) > > Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do > for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD > > Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local > consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. > > Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the > other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its > day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching > tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby > tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, > probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the > amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. > (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year > ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. > > But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they > used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is > knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it > at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of �70. Not > much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. > Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to > repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on > it. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the > question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony > products. I understood Tim was looking for a low > cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget > under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I > use occasionally has turned in excellent performance > and has been reliable for the past two years, in over > a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) > > My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some > people even claim that their ES line is more reliable > (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot > pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so > many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa > that puts medieval torture to shame... > > For further information, take a look at any recent > Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the > close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. > > - - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > - - -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 > From: Jim Volpatti > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Thanks Ron... > > and Graham too! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > hmmm... > > > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says > "Metal > > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked > up > > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 3 01:45:26 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:45:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 References: Message-ID: <032b01c17b93$cd3535f0$a8021fac@brianm> Thanks Tom, don't put yourself out to much. I will have to look up what the going price of the 990 is, the $300ish price of the 800 is attractive. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 > Brian: > > To be honest with you I have not directly compared the pix from the 2 > cameras. I will do so tomorrow and let you know. > > The biggest difference I have found between them is related to the flash, > the 800 does not support an external flash. > > But I will compare a few files tomorrow and let you know my findings. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:47 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1618 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:54:48 -0000 > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all! > > I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and = > head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA = > metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a = > supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of = > =A30.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although = > the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of = > you tried these tapes? > In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, = > especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order = > from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the = > like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" = > as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! > > Sinclair Forrest > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> > - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680-- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:09:29 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from > finishing your Moscode amp! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > > would be relatively simple!!! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder > work > > up > > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, > and, > > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > > that > > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks > are > > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, > both > > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal > fav > > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use > of > > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within > 3 > > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > > made > > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > > ebay > > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see > that > > a > > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > > pre-1992. > > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > > actually > > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > > best > > > downwards: > > > Sony: > > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take > 90 > > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of > the > > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > > OEM'd > > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of > applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > > ten > > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's > fine > > > for > > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > > not > > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > > more, > > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > > get > > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > > analogy, > > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > > separation > > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > > tend > > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > > certain > > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > > better > > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > > U-matic > > > a > > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > > the > > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > > format > > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > > camcorders > > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of > picture > > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > > don't > > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy > with > > > the > > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > > other!!! > > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > > the > > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got > for > > a > > > 3 > > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > > camcorders - > > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when > you > > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > > home > > > > movies!!! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > PS > > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > > are > > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > > not > > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > > Nikon > > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:08:32 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > Much help indeed Tom! The Coolpix 800 was the one I was considering a > couple years ago. Are the pictures a lot better on the 990? I did a quick > search and found the Coopix 800 still available for $309! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:17:03 -0500 > From: "Tom Dedrick" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > > Stephen: > > Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of > Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly > use them because: > > The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. > The timer can easily be set to record unattended. > I can get 2 hour recordings easily. > They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is > recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago > Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. > > Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have > this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the > time limit of a tape? > > TomD > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 > From: "Tom Dedrick" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > Brian, > > In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last > several years with 3 models: > > Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good > pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation > product but won't stand up to current models. > > My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n > shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way > under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about > 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. > > My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at > the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased > this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the > Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model > number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky > flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also > has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back > and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens > is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have > found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above > your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The > resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro > feature. > > I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. > Am certain it would be awesome. > > Things to keep in mind: > The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix > files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen > a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. > The flashes are usually wimpy. > The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact > flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA > adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now > there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should > be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. > It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display > rather than through the rangefinder. > > By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often > email pix of our product to clients. > > Hope this helps, > TomD > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 > > > > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it > does > > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual > standards > > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the > format > > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a > Revox > > PR99! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service > and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality > control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured > in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the > quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) > > Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do > for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD > > Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local > consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. > > Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the > other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its > day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching > tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby > tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, > probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the > amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. > (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year > ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. > > But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they > used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is > knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it > at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not > much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. > Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to > repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on > it. > > Graham > > - - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the > question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony > products. I understood Tim was looking for a low > cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget > under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I > use occasionally has turned in excellent performance > and has been reliable for the past two years, in over > a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) > > My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some > people even claim that their ES line is more reliable > (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot > pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so > many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa > that puts medieval torture to shame... > > For further information, take a look at any recent > Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the > close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. > > - - - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. > > Graham > > - - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > - - - -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 > From: Jim Volpatti > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Thanks Ron... > > and Graham too! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > hmmm... > > > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says > "Metal > > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked > up > > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > - - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1618 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 02:03:13 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 17:03:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> <123701c17b87$f18dfba0$403442cf@sank1> <02f401c17b8b$16e288a0$a8021fac@brianm> <125a01c17b8e$c7f6d760$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0ACF50.9BFE4201@pacbell.net> Happy Holidays Nalktalkers, just for the record, there are at least 2 Brians in the brotherhood: Brian Stocker from California and Brian Miller from Michigan. Should I be getting a Moscode amp too!? Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from > finishing your Moscode amp! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > > would be relatively simple!!! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder > work > > up > > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, > and, > > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > > that > > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks > are > > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, > both > > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal > fav > > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use > of > > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within > 3 > > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > > made > > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > > ebay > > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see > that > > a > > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > > pre-1992. > > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > > actually > > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > > best > > > downwards: > > > Sony: > > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take > 90 > > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of > the > > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > > OEM'd > > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of > applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > > ten > > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's > fine > > > for > > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > > not > > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > > more, > > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > > get > > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > > analogy, > > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > > separation > > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > > tend > > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > > certain > > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > > better > > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > > U-matic > > > a > > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > > the > > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > > format > > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > > camcorders > > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of > picture > > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > > don't > > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy > with > > > the > > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > > other!!! > > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > > the > > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got > for > > a > > > 3 > > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > > camcorders - > > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when > you > > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > > home > > > > movies!!! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > PS > > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > > are > > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > > not > > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > > Nikon > > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 3 02:03:01 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:03:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <000001c17b7d$c3d92180$809487d9@a4s1s2> <123701c17b87$f18dfba0$403442cf@sank1> <02f401c17b8b$16e288a0$a8021fac@brianm> <125a01c17b8e$c7f6d760$403442cf@sank1> <3C0ACF50.9BFE4201@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <034b01c17b96$41bb0150$a8021fac@brianm> I'll tell you WHEN I get mine! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Happy Holidays Nalktalkers, just for the record, there are at least 2 Brians in the > brotherhood: Brian Stocker from California and Brian Miller from Michigan. Should I > be getting a Moscode amp too!? > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from > > finishing your Moscode amp! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > > > would be relatively simple!!! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder > > work > > > up > > > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, > > and, > > > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > > > that > > > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks > > are > > > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, > > both > > > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal > > fav > > > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use > > of > > > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within > > 3 > > > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > > > made > > > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > > > ebay > > > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see > > that > > > a > > > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > > > pre-1992. > > > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > > > actually > > > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > > > best > > > > downwards: > > > > Sony: > > > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take > > 90 > > > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of > > the > > > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > > > OEM'd > > > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of > > applying > > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > > > ten > > > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's > > fine > > > > for > > > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > > > not > > > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > > > more, > > > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > > > get > > > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > > > analogy, > > > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > > > separation > > > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > > > tend > > > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > > > certain > > > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > > > better > > > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > > > U-matic > > > > a > > > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > > > the > > > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > > > format > > > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > > > camcorders > > > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of > > picture > > > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > > > don't > > > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy > > with > > > > the > > > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > > > other!!! > > > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > > > the > > > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got > > for > > > a > > > > 3 > > > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > > > camcorders - > > > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when > > you > > > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > > > home > > > > > movies!!! > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > > > are > > > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > > > not > > > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > > > Nikon > > > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 3 02:06:24 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:06:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sinclair, I like your term "Dragon food", very funny indeed. I too have found it increasingly difficult to buy such tapes. My alternative is to snap-up as much tapes direct from the manufacturer (if they have any surplus stock), or by e-bay. E-bay America has a wealth of such tapes if you look hard enough. I've just received a shipment of 14 TDK SA-90 built in 1985 still in their original wrapper. Keep on trying and get as much "food" as you can. All the best Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 10:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 02:37:49 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 17:37:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes References: <003801c17b8c$ba67fea0$518ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <3C0AD76D.ABC92E44@pacbell.net> I am doing the same Forrest. I have more TDK MA110 than I will probably ever need, but, who knows, maybe they will fetch more $$ than paid for, should I have a need to sell some. Which do you like better, the tdk's or the maxell's? I am always concerned when audio gear is touted as being "CD ready/compatible/etc. so, if it is not, it is somehow inferior or lowtech. Actually, I have been buying fresh 8-tracks whenever I see them. They are bigger than cassettes and, therefore, play louder; right! But, if ya use 'em in a musclecar, the tapes tend to "self-eject" when the light turns green and "ya really get-on-it"!!!!!!! Somebody actually told me this with complete conviction. I wonder what happens to his cigarettelighter and other stuff? I forgot to ask him. happyholidays, Brian Stocker Sinclair Forrest wrote: > Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal > tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and > TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just > bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable > price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, > although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX > ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes > is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel > Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some > searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided > to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - > can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Mon Dec 3 02:28:07 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:28:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord In-Reply-To: <3C0A9EE6.36BE8740@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000201c17b99$c334e180$2102a8c0@henry> Actually, it was somebody else looking for a camcorder, I was just confirming that a new camcorder could be had for $300-$400. I would probably try to go digital, too, if I were in the market for a camcorder or camera at this point - and if I had the money to do so. It just seems like the way to go. Cuts out the middle hassle of getting film developed or editing from tape. Tim -----Original Message----- Graham Nelson wrote: I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 3 02:37:30 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:37:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1620 In-Reply-To: <200112030114.CAA25871@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Stephen, Thanks for the info on the Sony video/audio decks. The Mitsu's I am using are HS-U760 & 790. Have not compared them to any other deck & sometimes I question my hearing ability, but they have worked well for me. Earlier this year I had the older deck serviced when it began eating tapes - forget what, but there was a transport part that needed replacing. Maybe after the holidays I will look for one of the Sony decks to try out. Sounds like fun. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 20:14 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1620 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1620 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:40:39 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord HaHaHaHa!!! You got me on that one!!!!! Back to work! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from > finishing your Moscode amp! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > > would be relatively simple!!! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder > work > > up > > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, > and, > > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > > that > > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks > are > > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, > both > > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal > fav > > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use > of > > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within > 3 > > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > > made > > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > > ebay > > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see > that > > a > > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > > pre-1992. > > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > > actually > > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > > best > > > downwards: > > > Sony: > > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take > 90 > > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of > the > > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > > OEM'd > > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of > applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > > ten > > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's > fine > > > for > > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > > not > > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > > more, > > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > > get > > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > > analogy, > > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > > separation > > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > > tend > > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > > certain > > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > > better > > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > > U-matic > > > a > > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > > around ... > > > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > > the > > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > > format > > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > > camcorders > > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of > picture > > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > > don't > > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy > with > > > the > > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > > other!!! > > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > > the > > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got > for > > a > > > 3 > > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > > quality. > > > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > > camcorders - > > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when > you > > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > > home > > > > movies!!! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > PS > > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > > are > > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > > not > > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > > Nikon > > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:46:53 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 Those must be HS-U81 series or earlier, I think, to have manual rec level & sound decent. The 81 & 80 are actually nice machines. Mitsu's before & since have been fair to terrible. Mostly terrible. The Sony 8mm & Hi8 decks virtually all have hifi stereo(minimally had mono hifi in the earliest models), and the upper end decks like the EV-S3000 have hifi stereo AND PCM digital stereo audio simultaneously. Despite the fact that the PCM is 32kHz sampling & therefore limited to 15kHz audio, it sounds better than any hifi tracks on any format I've ever heard. All 8mm/Hi8 Sony decks can do both 2hr & 4hr recording. And you lose no audio quality on 4hr and barely, if any, video quality. The best "budget" used hi8/PCM-audio deck to get is the EV-S550. Basically, an EV-S3000 without the extensive editing features or digital TBC/noise reduction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > Stephen: > > Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of > Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly > use them because: > > The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. > The timer can easily be set to record unattended. > I can get 2 hour recordings easily. > They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is > recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago > Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. > > Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have > this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the > time limit of a tape? > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 > From: "Tom Dedrick" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > Brian, > > In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last > several years with 3 models: > > Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good > pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation > product but won't stand up to current models. > > My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n > shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way > under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about > 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. > > My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at > the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased > this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the > Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model > number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky > flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also > has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back > and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens > is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have > found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above > your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The > resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro > feature. > > I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. > Am certain it would be awesome. > > Things to keep in mind: > The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix > files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen > a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. > The flashes are usually wimpy. > The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact > flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA > adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now > there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should > be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. > It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display > rather than through the rangefinder. > > By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often > email pix of our product to clients. > > Hope this helps, > TomD > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it > does > > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual > standards > > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the > format > > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a > Revox > > PR99! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service > and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality > control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured > in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the > quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) > > Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do > for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD > > Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local > consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. > > Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the > other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its > day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching > tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby > tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, > probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the > amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. > (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year > ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. > > But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they > used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is > knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it > at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not > much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. > Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to > repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on > it. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the > question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony > products. I understood Tim was looking for a low > cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget > under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I > use occasionally has turned in excellent performance > and has been reliable for the past two years, in over > a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) > > My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some > people even claim that their ES line is more reliable > (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot > pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so > many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa > that puts medieval torture to shame... > > For further information, take a look at any recent > Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the > close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. > > - - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > - - -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 > From: Jim Volpatti > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Thanks Ron... > > and Graham too! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > hmmm... > > > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says > "Metal > > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked > up > > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanx Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 04:14:24 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:14:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT? open it up and go for it! References: <20011130.221025.-2049835.1.josephj69@juno.com> <106001c17a2a$77805a00$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0AEE11.BFA57720@pacbell.net> I have been able to accomplish so many fixes by just opening the thing up and going for it. However, I will not touch very special components for personal use. I send 'em to Stephen. Can I come to Abq. and be your apprentice? Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Best thing to do is come to Albuquerque & "apprentice" with me for a while. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > > > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > > make a total mess. > > > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > > go? A local college? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 "Graham Nelson" > > writes: > > > Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT > > > scared by > > > smokin' soldering irons, that is... > > > > > > http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ > > > > > > (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn > > > how to do > > > this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up > > > the > > > learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to > > > have a > > > go at a project like that.) > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of > > > John M. Tooley > > > Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > > copy of a > > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > > your DAT > > > to > > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > > make > > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > > decks(which > > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > > > a > > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > > Not the > > > > first > > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > > immediate > > > > > control. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Dec 3 04:17:19 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:17:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0AEEBD.72D11CCA@snet.net> If you're running Sony at the pro level there is nothing as reliable. We have Beta SP decks that have logged up to 5000 hours of day in and out usage with no major breakdowns... it's good stuff. At the consumer level they suck... both my camcorder, and two portable DAT decks had eventual problems with my D3 terminal nearly from day one. With several trips to the service center in Westwood, MA, I can say that they are terrible. The techs get paid a flat rate per job... if you can get three items barely running in an hour and make three times as much as one properly repaired item in the same time at one third the pay... well which would you be doing... sad, but true. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > -- Ron > > Ron > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' 3-chip > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is very > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although it's > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they are > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' camcorders > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will probably > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of them > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic NV-DX100 - > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of date > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good prices. > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it doesn't > have a swing out screen. > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that > are worth a closer look: > > JVC GR-FXM15 > Panasonic > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > Samsung VP-L300 > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Dec 3 04:24:21 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:24:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0A9F00.F0CEF2F7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0AF063.90603296@snet.net> I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA cover that is so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on the success or failure when I'm done. Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 05:15:07 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:15:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <0d1e01c178ad$cbed81e0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0AFC4E.D3FB3FEA@pacbell.net> Thank god for power guard. I have sent 1200 sustained watts into cheap speakers with no problem. Lo power amps, driven beyond their capabilities, are what fry speakers very quickly. Another good reason to own a Mac is that autoformers handle difficult loads invisibly and powerguard ensures that your expensive speakers will NEVER see a clipped signal! Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > I can't imagine you heard an MC500 as "slow & rolled off". The output > autoformers in Mac amps are of rather gargantuan proportions, and are flat > down to nearly DC(3 or 4Hz) & up way past 25kHz. Technically, yes, it lets > the amp see a constant load. Experientially, it means two things. 1)The > back-force EMF from the driver cone/diaphragm mass(i.e., the speaker acting > like an electric generator due to mass-induced overshoot) is literally > shorted to ground, rather than getting into the feedback loop & causing > transient smear/phase distortion. 2)You can dump ass-loads more power into > a speaker than it's rating without hurting it. I once demo'd an > MC2255(rated 250w/ch, actual 387w/ch on bench test) for a loud-listening > customer. I played it so loud, that it was nailing the Powerguard lights. > Meaning I was hitting 387watts on the peaks. This was inflicted upon a > cheapass pair of Jamo speakers, rated at 40watts power handling. No damage > occurred. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue to use > autoformers > > on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I understand technically > that they want > > the output section of the amp to see a constant load, no matter what > speaker is > > connected, but those yards of extra wire in the transformer and core > saturation sure > > seems to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps > they wish to > > continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I even > like > > > this one! 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URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 05:07:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:07:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <001f01c17b6c$0e331e00$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0A9F00.F0CEF2F7@earthlink.net> <3C0AF063.90603296@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C0AFA8F.B1E3C69C@earthlink.net> Thanks, Ed. I appreciate it. Jim Volpatti Ed Noyes wrote: > I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA cover that is > so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on the > success or failure when I'm done. > > Ed > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 05:18:44 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:18:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> <0d3201c178af$e20d0ac0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0AFD27.1EC6FEDF@pacbell.net> TAS continues to send me their magazine even though my subscription intenionally ran out over a year ago. It is fun to look at the outrageously priced gear, but the reviews, like Stephen said, really are "out there" Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & etc. > is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. > I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter the > tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > (US)... > > > I don't know, the last time I listened to Nordost the > > sound was so fast the song was over before I had a chance > > to listen to it :-) > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > > > > I've found Nordost cables in general to sound harmonically threadbare > and > > unnaturally > > > fast. > > > > > > Anyone else? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 05:32:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:32:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... References: <002001c17886$6a973610$2102a8c0@henry> <0c1b01c17897$b1b97240$403442cf@sank1> <3C05E94F.D9C5C3CD@earthlink.net> <023d01c178ad$51db81e0$bff63fd0@oemcomputer> <0d3201c178af$e20d0ac0$403442cf@sank1> <3C05F535.250E0E24@earthlink.net> <0d4b01c178b5$84866b20$403442cf@sank1> <3C064E4A.86E3BFA2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0B0067.3FCB1359@pacbell.net> Wine reviewers also come up with very "fluffy" words to describe the taste of the wine they are drinking and, just like audio, the more expensive the wine, the more "fluffy" the descriptions become. Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > I agree with you there. Audiophile subjectivists tend to > use psychological terms to describe physical attributes > of sound and/or equipment. Thus, they talk not only about > 'fast sound' but also use 'delicate high frequencies', > 'Robust lows', 'polite sound', 'airy treble', 'intrusive > mid frequencies', 'warm sound' etc. As good as all these > sound, they are pretty useless in actually describing a > sound, since they mean different things to different people. > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I rather thought that's what they mean, but it's such a > > distortion/misapplication of words, that I found it rather an annoying > > usage. It would be more accurate to refer to transient response or attack. > > But, rather than being annoyed, I prefer to believe that they are all simply > > smoking crack. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 > > (US)... > > > > > To me, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) relates to the rise time (speed) and > > damping > > > factor (the ability of the amplifier to control the movement of the > > speaker's > > > drivers). I'm sure there are other design issues (i.e. signal path caps' > > ability to > > > charge and discharge fast enough to keep up the music) but I ain't no > > designer. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > Reminds me of something. What really kills me reading Absolute Sound & > > etc. > > > > is when a reviewer refers to the "tempo" or "pace" of an amp, cable etc. > > > > I'm like, "What?" As far as I know, only the source device can alter > > the > > > > tempo. These guys are smokin somethin. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 05:44:45 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:44:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and although Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of many, to produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, like the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff is remarkable. When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business and their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound great, probably will never have required service, and may be worth more than paid for! Brian Stocker Javier Perez wrote: > Well > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > unless your prepared to AB. > Javier > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue to > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I > > understand technically that they want the output section of the amp to > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but those > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation sure seems > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps they > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I > > > even like > > > this one! 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URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 3 05:12:43 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:42:43 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <007701c17bb0$c2f54900$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I think this one is the safest as it should be soft like talcum powder - somebody earlier suggested about this powder- The Acrylic ( as well as the protecting transparent plastic coating on CD/ DVD etc) should be polished with softest materials which may not remove anything at all on hardened metal surface while you need Aulumina or Diamond powders for removal of hard metals. On the other hand Silver / Gold 22 Carat etc are very soft metals and hard powders will remove lot of materials when you polish causing loss of precious metals. The Silver / Brass polish actually removes Oxide layers which dulls them by Chemical reaction rather than removal of materials by abrasion. So Brasso type polish works differently and may not produce the results that this Acrylic polish may produce on Plastic surface with scratches. However somebody wanted to try this Silver polish and I am curious to know the results. Incidently Talcum powder is produced from a mineral called Talc which is the softest among the different naturally occurring minerals - ( bit of Geology that I studied in our Engineering course about 26 Years ago!) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG >Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ron >Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > >I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch >Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous >amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, >CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. >It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > >It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 >South St. Boston MA 02111'. > >-- Ron > > >Jim Volpatti wrote: >> >> hmmm... >> >> Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that >will safely >> remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 05:51:59 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:51:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01A99FFA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <005f01c178e8$c34f6270$98021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C0B04F3.42504858@pacbell.net> Try working on an sx-1980, the big 270 wpc beast. I recently bought, listened to and sold 1. I was surprised at how bad it began to sound when pushed hard: not really clipping but just "stressed". Brian Stocker Brian Miller wrote: > > I love units that light up like a small Vegas, > > Way too funny!! > > >These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very > young... > > I too have fond memories of an old 70's Pioneer receiver of a friend of the > family. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 3 05:22:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:52:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <008e01c17bb2$1efee160$42d60192@vsnl> Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 3 05:45:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 04:45:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c17bb5$528305e0$c59987d9@a4s1s2> Just to clarify, my comments about digital cameras was not directed at digital STILL cameras but camcorders. Still my opinion that buck for buck a digital camcorder leaves compact VHS or hi8 in the dust. And a 3 chip camcorder ... just not in the same league. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: 03 December 2001 12:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 Brian: To be honest with you I have not directly compared the pix from the 2 cameras. I will do so tomorrow and let you know. The biggest difference I have found between them is related to the flash, the 800 does not support an external flash. But I will compare a few files tomorrow and let you know my findings. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:47 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1618 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1618 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:54:48 -0000 From: "Sinclair Forrest" Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and = head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA = metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a = supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of = =A30.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although = the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of = you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, = especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order = from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the = like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" = as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    I've been following = the recent=20 exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've=20 used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any = obvious=20 problems.  I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at = the highly=20 respectable price of =A30.69p each) to try on my Dragon.  They seem = pretty=20 decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black = MX=20 ones.  Any of you tried these tapes?
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17B8C.B9DA1680-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:09:29 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Don't be too grateful, Brian. Typing that post was time taken away from finishing your Moscode amp! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:17:03 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 Stephen: Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly use them because: The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. The timer can easily be set to record unattended. I can get 2 hour recordings easily. They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the time limit of a tape? TomD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this would be relatively simple!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > better > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic > a > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > around ... > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > camcorders > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > the > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > other!!! > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a > 3 > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > quality. > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > camcorders - > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > > movies!!! > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > > care for Hi8? > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > Thanks again, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 Brian, In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last several years with 3 models: Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation product but won't stand up to current models. My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro feature. I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. Am certain it would be awesome. Things to keep in mind: The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. The flashes are usually wimpy. The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display rather than through the rangefinder. By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often email pix of our product to clients. Hope this helps, TomD - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it does > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual standards > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the format > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a Revox > PR99! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on it. Graham - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony products. I understood Tim was looking for a low cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I use occasionally has turned in excellent performance and has been reliable for the past two years, in over a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some people even claim that their ES line is more reliable (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa that puts medieval torture to shame... For further information, take a look at any recent Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. - - - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. Graham - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 South St. Boston MA 02111'. - - - -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > hmmm... > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Thanks Ron... and Graham too! Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says "Metal > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked up > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera around ... I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture quality. Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home movies!!! Graham PS The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. - - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not care for Hi8? (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) Thanks again, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being pre-1992. So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best downwards: Sony: CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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S) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:24:21 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <00c101c17bb6$944811e0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah it is true that Nak heads may not lost that long if the Head is not taken care of - say by use of very cheap abrasive cassettes without Pressure pad lifter. I have seen some Naks here without pressure pad lifter and many users have no idea about nak three head machine' special pad lifter. However I have a BX300 with head wear may be a bit more than I have seen on any other machine. But when I measured play response at 20 Khz it is down by about 1-2 dB which is actually an excellent response for a cassette medium. Also Play back circuit provides facility to correct this drop but I have not bothered to correct it. The Play/ Rec head may outlive the Drives in case of good care taken to keep the head clean and use of reasonably good cassettes. I am really speechless when I hear Stephen' CR7 as nobody would believe that it belongs to late 80' ( also the looks !) specifically because of its head and mechanism operates more like out of the carton for the first time. ( I also suspect that Stephen has some patent pending tech issue hidden behind the front plate???) Incidently I recorded a TDK MAX- G on CR7; it is definitely a notch above MA in both noise as well MOL figures. You have to hear it to believe, truly low noise and Dynamic. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > >Kannan, please remember the worn out head pics I sent you ... :-) So P8L >does eventually go out but looong way to go compared to pressurepadless >deck. Funny that I have 2 'normal' worn rec head but only 1 worn pb head, >probably mislaigned stroke thing. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Dec 3 06:47:13 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 00:47:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure where it will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the bedroom where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a story). As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up there by the time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main system, but would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. Ed > > > Congratulations Ed. Do you plan to have it modified? And, what speakers > will you use with it? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 3 06:48:42 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:48:42 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B80@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I don't believe it! TDK actually assembled cassettes in Australia! Wow I'd like to see that. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 3:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest < thsinclair at localdial.com > To: naktalk at naks.com < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 3 07:31:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:31:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <000701c17b78$71bdf150$a8021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00ba01c17bc6$444e2e80$6cec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > I have the es8100v camcorder, works fine for videoing my son and dubs fairly well to vhs. Takes good pictures in fairly low light and is good on battery life. And its sturdy my son (he's only a yearold) has tried to break it more than once without success. hth Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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And those like Robert Parker will trash the big boys if the vintage is bad. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Is this snake oil? Can $23,000 (US)... > Wine reviewers also come up with very "fluffy" words to describe the taste of the wine > they are drinking and, just like audio, the more expensive the wine, the more "fluffy" > the descriptions become. > > Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 08:12:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 02:12:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> Why Thankyou Brian I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering resources as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with a deficit on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are mentioned. See Ya Javier PS Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the preamp section of the units! britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and although > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of many, to > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, like > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff is > remarkable. > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business and > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound great, > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more than > paid for! > > Brian Stocker > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Well > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > unless your prepared to AB. > > Javier > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue > > to > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I > > > understand technically that they want the output section of the > > amp to > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > those > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation sure > > seems > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps > > they > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I > > > > > > even like > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 3 08:43:20 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:43:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver Message-ID: I must say, I am surprised and sorry to hear that Brian. I don't know what sort of current reserves these designs typically had, but the speakers of the day were usually high impedance, high efficiency designs. Think of the old Sansui SP 3500, 5000 and 5500 with the fretwork grilles of the mid 1970s. It also might be possible that the unit had been opened before to conduct minor repairs, during which low-cost replacement parts were used. Units as old as that might develop issues with capacitors......in which case I would bet the average repairman would use the cheapest, cruddiest part as a replacement that simply met the electronic spec. Or worse, any old part is used, and unit somehow still "works". Marc >>> britri at pacbell.net 12/03/01 06:51AM >>> Try working on an sx-1980, the big 270 wpc beast. I recently bought, listened to and sold 1. I was surprised at how bad it began to sound when pushed hard: not really clipping but just "stressed". Brian Stocker Brian Miller wrote: > > I love units that light up like a small Vegas, > > Way too funny!! > > >These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very > young... > > I too have fond memories of an old 70's Pioneer receiver of a friend of the > family. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Javier Perez wrote: > Why Thankyou Brian > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering resources > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with a > deficit > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > mentioned. > See Ya > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 11:21:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:21:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <11a701c17acc$bcc48f80$403442cf@sank1> <3C0ADF31.663E68D5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <12ef01c17be4$4f54c500$403442cf@sank1> I guess you can ask Ed when he gets it set up. But I can tell you that I think it is a damn fine sounding piece. I used to own a G-8700DB about 14 years ago. A friend in Boston is still using it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > Are these good? I have 2 of them in VGC, but I have never listened to them closely. > > Thanx > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Expiring in 2 hours & at only $92 so far, nice Sansui G-7700: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301878470 > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 11:23:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:23:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT? open it up and go for it! References: <20011130.221025.-2049835.1.josephj69@juno.com> <106001c17a2a$77805a00$403442cf@sank1> <3C0AEE11.BFA57720@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <12f901c17be4$8daa6940$403442cf@sank1> You're welcome to come apprentice with me for a while, Brian. Seriously. Just be sure you can be away from your own business without it falling apart! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? open it up and go for it! > I have been able to accomplish so many fixes by just opening the thing up and going > for it. However, I will not touch very special components for personal use. I send > 'em to Stephen. Can I come to Abq. and be your apprentice? > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Best thing to do is come to Albuquerque & "apprentice" with me for a while. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT? DIY > > > > > I woudn't mind taking a basic electronics course myself, Graham. > > > > > > I would like to know how to do the basics. I have one of those $5 Radio > > > Shack soldering irons, but I never seem to do anything with it other than > > > make a total mess. > > > > > > Anyone have suggestions for basic electronics courses? Where does one > > > go? A local college? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:11:41 -0000 "Graham Nelson" > > > writes: > > > > Get a look at this site ... those of you (unlike me!) who are NOT > > > > scared by > > > > smokin' soldering irons, that is... > > > > > > > > http://www.diyhifisupply.com/ > > > > > > > > (Wish I could find some kind of evening class where I could learn > > > > how to do > > > > this kind of stuff ... I need a kick start to get me into it and up > > > > the > > > > learning curve to a plateau where at I would have the confidence to > > > > have a > > > > go at a project like that.) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > John M. Tooley > > > > Sent: 30 November 2001 10:04 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > So a "DTC 790" should be avoided? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > > > copy of a > > > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > > > your DAT > > > > to > > > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > > > make > > > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > > > decks(which > > > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had > > > > a > > > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > > > Not the > > > > > first > > > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > > > immediate > > > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 11:26:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:26:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0AEEBD.72D11CCA@snet.net> Message-ID: <130501c17be4$f05ef740$403442cf@sank1> Well, see. You should have sent your D3 to me to fix in the first place. It wasn't the D3 at fault, it was the underpaid warranty techs' faults. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > If you're running Sony at the pro level there is nothing as reliable. We have Beta SP > decks that have logged up to 5000 hours of day in and out usage with no major > breakdowns... it's good stuff. At the consumer level they suck... both my camcorder, > and two portable DAT decks had eventual problems with my D3 terminal nearly from day > one. With several trips to the service center in Westwood, MA, I can say that they are > terrible. The techs get paid a flat rate per job... if you can get three items barely > running in an hour and make three times as much as one properly repaired item in the > same time at one third the pay... well which would you be doing... sad, but true. > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Ron > > > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' 3-chip > > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than �2k in the UK) is very > > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although it's > > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they are > > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' camcorders > > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will probably > > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of them > > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic NV-DX100 - > > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of date > > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good prices. > > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it doesn't > > have a swing out screen. > > > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that > > are worth a closer look: > > > > JVC GR-FXM15 > > Panasonic > > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > > Samsung VP-L300 > > > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. > > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 11:37:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:37:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: Message-ID: <133301c17be6$82985380$403442cf@sank1> Sorry, Marc, but Brian is right. The big-ass Pioneers don't sound very good, in perfect, stock condition or not. The Sansuis of that era are far, far better. Pioneer tried to counter this difference with the SX3700/3800/3900 units, which ran very high AB bias to try to clean up the sound. And were disastrously unreliable. And yet, these are the only Pioneer models I would personally have any desire at all to own. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > I must say, I am surprised and sorry to hear that Brian. I don't know what sort of current reserves these designs typically had, but the speakers of the day were usually high impedance, high efficiency designs. Think of the old Sansui SP 3500, 5000 and 5500 with the fretwork grilles of the mid 1970s. > > It also might be possible that the unit had been opened before to conduct minor repairs, during which low-cost replacement parts were used. Units as old as that might develop issues with capacitors......in which case I would bet the average repairman would use the cheapest, cruddiest part as a replacement that simply met the electronic spec. Or worse, any old part is used, and unit somehow still "works". > > Marc > > >>> britri at pacbell.net 12/03/01 06:51AM >>> > Try working on an sx-1980, the big 270 wpc beast. I recently bought, listened to and > sold 1. I was surprised at how bad it began to sound when pushed hard: not really > clipping but just "stressed". > > Brian Stocker > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I love units that light up like a small Vegas, > > > > Way too funny!! > > > > >These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very > > young... > > > > I too have fond memories of an old 70's Pioneer receiver of a friend of the > > family. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 11:40:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:40:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0B429B.3E23B4E2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <133901c17be6$fc2ebae0$403442cf@sank1> What I will say about McIntosh amps, which I have said here before, is that the Mac amp models after the original MC250/2100/2300/2505/2105 models & before the MC1000/MC500/MC300 series were quite veiled & uninvolving. Perhaps you have heard only those in-between models(incorporating a period between about 1973 & 1993 or so)? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > I've already stated my opinion of the sound and design of Mac solid state amplifiers that > use output transformers and will leave it at that. I really don't want to get into another > interminable disagreement. = ) Especially amongst a list that seems to have a > majority of Mac lovers. > > Is there anyone else who feels similarly about the above mentioned amplifiers? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering resources > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with a > > deficit > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > mentioned. > > See Ya > > Javier > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Dec 3 11:50:41 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:50:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Message-ID: Hi Sinclair, Can you please tell me the address of the UK shop that you got the tapes from? Much appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 12:40:18 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 03:40:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0B429B.3E23B4E2@earthlink.net> <133901c17be6$fc2ebae0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0B64A1.9C721EC6@earthlink.net> You may have a point, Stephen. The only current Mac amp I've listened to is the $15,000 MC2000 (??) 50th Anniversary Edition 130 watt per channel triode model. It reaffirmed the classic Mac sound that I remember from the old days (i.e. not my cup of tea) Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > What I will say about McIntosh amps, which I have said here before, is that > the Mac amp models after the original MC250/2100/2300/2505/2105 models & > before the MC1000/MC500/MC300 series were quite veiled & uninvolving. > Perhaps you have heard only those in-between models(incorporating a period > between about 1973 & 1993 or so)? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > I've already stated my opinion of the sound and design of Mac solid state > amplifiers that > > use output transformers and will leave it at that. I really don't want to > get into another > > interminable disagreement. = ) Especially amongst a list that > seems to have a > > majority of Mac lovers. > > > > Is there anyone else who feels similarly about the above mentioned > amplifiers? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering resources > > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with a > > > deficit > > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > > mentioned. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Dec 3 14:16:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:16:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SR4 user(s), help. Message-ID: <002401c17bfc$bc2b1680$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Can anybody tell me if this is the remote unit for SR4 ? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1302997408 Thanks in advance, SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Dec 3 14:19:01 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:19:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0AEEBD.72D11CCA@snet.net> <130501c17be4$f05ef740$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008801c17bfd$137ce8a0$1c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I'm looking for a D3! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > Well, see. You should have sent your D3 to me to fix in the first place. > It wasn't the D3 at fault, it was the underpaid warranty techs' faults. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > If you're running Sony at the pro level there is nothing as reliable. We > have Beta SP > > decks that have logged up to 5000 hours of day in and out usage with no > major > > breakdowns... it's good stuff. At the consumer level they suck... both my > camcorder, > > and two portable DAT decks had eventual problems with my D3 terminal > nearly from day > > one. With several trips to the service center in Westwood, MA, I can say > that they are > > terrible. The techs get paid a flat rate per job... if you can get three > items barely > > running in an hour and make three times as much as one properly repaired > item in the > > same time at one third the pay... well which would you be doing... sad, > but true. > > > > Ed > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > > > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > > > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' > 3-chip > > > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is > very > > > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although > it's > > > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they > are > > > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' > camcorders > > > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > > > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will > probably > > > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of > them > > > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > > > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic > NV-DX100 - > > > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > > > > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > > > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of > date > > > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good > prices. > > > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it > doesn't > > > have a swing out screen. > > > > > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders > that > > > are worth a closer look: > > > > > > JVC GR-FXM15 > > > Panasonic > > > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > > > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > > > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > > > Samsung VP-L300 > > > > > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted > prices. > > > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 3 14:32:39 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:32:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c17bfe$fadd47c0$9f021fac@brianm> It's great that you guys are pleased with your Mac gear. I do not believe they have an edge over all other manufacturers and I certainly do not believe it is cheaper than the "over prices equipment" Brian mentions in TAS. The best thing Mac has going for it are their loyal followers. From the "little" research I did recently, it seems in the early days of this hobby Mac made a great name for their selves with wonderful products. Through the 80's and a good share of the 90's it appears there wasn't a lot to cheer about and they are now again producing so nice pieces. "Better than everyone else", no. There are a few pieces I would mind on my rack. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 3 15:37:20 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:07:20 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <002f01c17c08$03d5a440$42d60192@vsnl> Tom I should mail few Australian made TDK SAs to you or atleast scan the covers and send you the scan!! The difference is the color of outer plastic sheet cover which is blue incase of australian make. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree I don't believe it! TDK actually assembled cassettes in Australia! Wow I'd like to see that. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 3:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 3 17:18:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:18:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0AEEBD.72D11CCA@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C0BA5C4.B9DD3F21@concentric.net> It seems I should clarify my post concerning Sony consumer products reliability/service. They used to be pretty good (though, not top notch). There has been a HUGE deterioration, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. I am not surprised Beta VCRs (even the home versions) are reliable -- they were made ages ago. Personally, I have owned a Sony portable CD player that has seen a lot of use (including many trips) for over 12 years and the only thing required in the way of maintenance was a new NiCd battery. I have a pair of Sony headphones that have given excellent service for 17 years and only recently required new earpads. But read the horror stories about the HT receiver that burst in flames (and so poorly repaired by Sony that it again burst in flames *after* the repair). And huge performance issues with very expensive Wega TVs (seems like about one in two is garbage) -- that's the 'new Sony'. They give you a 90 day warranty on their $1000 S-VHS VCR. BTW, the same can be said of Toshiba. Their reliability used to be top notch. Over the past few years they have become very competitive in the consumer electronics marketplace, resulting in reasonably good performance, coupled with low pricing. The unavoidable upshot: mediocre reliability (statistically, not as bad as Sony, but still at the wrong end of the scale) and horrendous, dishonest, despicable Service. I'll never, ever, buy another Toshiba product again. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > If you're running Sony at the pro level there is nothing as reliable. We have Beta SP > decks that have logged up to 5000 hours of day in and out usage with no major > breakdowns... it's good stuff. At the consumer level they suck... both my camcorder, > and two portable DAT decks had eventual problems with my D3 terminal nearly from day > one. With several trips to the service center in Westwood, MA, I can say that they are > terrible. The techs get paid a flat rate per job... if you can get three items barely > running in an hour and make three times as much as one properly repaired item in the > same time at one third the pay... well which would you be doing... sad, but true. > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Ron > > > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' 3-chip > > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is very > > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although it's > > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they are > > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' camcorders > > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will probably > > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of them > > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic NV-DX100 - > > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of date > > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good prices. > > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it doesn't > > have a swing out screen. > > > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders that > > are worth a closer look: > > > > JVC GR-FXM15 > > Panasonic > > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > > Samsung VP-L300 > > > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted prices. > > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 3 17:36:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01A99FFA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <005f01c178e8$c34f6270$98021fac@brianm> <3C0B04F3.42504858@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C0BAA04.513C9BA4@concentric.net> I am surprised at this. I owned an SX-1250 for several years. It sounded fabulous, had the best phono stage around and was extremely reliable. I took a peek inside (it wanted tuner realignment touchup after a few years) and noted build and components quality was impressive. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Try working on an sx-1980, the big 270 wpc beast. I recently bought, listened to and > sold 1. I was surprised at how bad it began to sound when pushed hard: not really > clipping but just "stressed". > > Brian Stocker > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I love units that light up like a small Vegas, > > > > Way too funny!! > > > > >These units that we speak of bring back fond memories of when I was very > > young... > > > > I too have fond memories of an old 70's Pioneer receiver of a friend of the > > family. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 3 17:49:28 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:49:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 References: Message-ID: <3C0BAD18.D63E5575@concentric.net> I used to do this a lot. A Panasonic HiFi VCR I used to own had a switch in the back for audio only recording. It was very useful for background music application, I got 6 hours of non-stop music for 3 or 4 bucks... Not so good for shorter pieces, that were difficult to locate. Sound quality was quite acceptable, more or less on par with my then Nak 582. I stopped making VHS audio recordings as soon as a CD burner appeared in my PC. By now, I don't have a single audio VHS cassette left. -- Ron Tom Dedrick wrote: > > Stephen: > > Know this is heresy for Naktalk, but, I have been using a couple of > Mitsubish HIFI SVHS VCR's for a few years now for AUDIO recording! I mainly > use them because: > > The audio level can be set manually on the models I have. > The timer can easily be set to record unattended. > I can get 2 hour recordings easily. > They are good enough for recording off the radio - my typical use is > recording the "live" orchestral broadcasts on public radio - Chicago > Symphony, Minneapolis chamber, formally Philadelphia, Chicaqua, etc. > > Wondering, since I have no experience, do the Hi8 machines you mention have > this ability as well? How is does their audio quality stack up? What is the > time limit of a tape? > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 19:21 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1617 > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1617 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Stephen for your input, much appreciated! ...And I thought this > would be relatively simple!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work > up > > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here > that > > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder > made > > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to > ebay > > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that > a > > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > > pre-1992. > > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will > actually > > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from > best > > downwards: > > Sony: > > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus > OEM'd > > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > > > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally > ten > > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > > for > > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and > not > > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > > more, > > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you > get > > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi > analogy, > > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo > separation > > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > > tend > > > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in > certain > > > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall > > better > > > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give > U-matic > > a > > > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > > > around ... > > > > > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much > the > > > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size > format > > > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip > > camcorders > > > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > > > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > > > > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you > don't > > > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with > > the > > > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or > > other!!! > > > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at > the > > > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for > a > > 3 > > > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > > > quality. > > > > > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small > > camcorders - > > > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > > > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your > home > > > movies!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > PS > > > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they > are > > > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > > > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do > not > > > care for Hi8? > > > > > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the > Nikon > > > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:12 -0500 > From: "Tom Dedrick" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > Brian, > > In reference to digital cameras I have hands on experience over the last > several years with 3 models: > > Kodak DC 120 I believe. This was my first one and it took a reasonably good > pix, but is no longer available I am sure. It was an early generation > product but won't stand up to current models. > > My second I am still using is Nikon Coolpix 800, which is like a 'point n > shoot' handheld camera. It takes a reasonably good pix but the flash is way > under powered as is typical on digital cameras...if you are more than about > 12' away from your subject don't expect the flash to be adequate. > > My third I am still using is a Nikon Coolpix 990 I think - this one is at > the office right now & I am not certain of the model number. I purchased > this one mainly because it would work with a separate flash, I bought the > Nikon flash that is for use with digital cameras, don't recall the model > number right now, and it works great. With this large, expensive, bulky > flash, you can bounce, and light up from a long way away. This camera also > has a feature I thought was silly until I used it...the display on the back > and the part holding the lens pivots. This means you can see what the lens > is looking at without being directly in line with the lens angle. I have > found this to be a wonderful feature. It allows you to hold the camera above > your head or down low and still be able to see what you are doing. The > resolution of this camera is very good and even has a close up macro > feature. > > I saw in a mailer earlier today Nikon has a new one with a 5 mega pixel ccd. > Am certain it would be awesome. > > Things to keep in mind: > The higher the number of pixels the higher the resolution the bigger the pix > files. A typical 990 pix is around a meg, but you can zoom in on your screen > a lot deeper on the pix than other cameras. > The flashes are usually wimpy. > The memory media - all of the cameras I have bought to date use the compact > flash so I can use the same cards in each camera and I use them in a PCMCIA > adapter plugged into a drive in a desktop PC for transferring them. Now > there are newer smaller media and some cameras have usb ports, which should > be more convenient. Transferring pix via a serial port is painfully slow. > It is a lot more convenient to frame your pix while looking at a display > rather than through the rangefinder. > > By the way my biggest use of these cameras is in my business and I often > email pix of our product to clients. > > Hope this helps, > TomD > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 18:48 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1616 > > naktalk-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1616 > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:59:52 -0500 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Not familiar with this model yet, Brian. However, if it's a Canon, it > does > > come with a good pedigree, of course, and I would expect the usual > standards > > in terms of reliability and aftersales. The only limitation, if that is > > what it is, is the format. But it would be churlish to criticise the > format > > just as it would be to knock, say, a Nak CR5 because it won't match a > Revox > > PR99! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on the Canon Video ES8200V Hi8mm Camcorder? > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:41:53 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > No, fair point, Ron. You may well be right about the Sony domestic service > and products. For example, reliability may well depend on the quality > control that's applied and, given that Sony products seem to be manufactured > in many different countries and continents, it would not surprise me if the > quality controls vary according to local custom! ;o) > > Service quality may also vary between countries, too ... as I'm sure they do > for Nakamichi cassette decks! ;oD > > Thus, I'd agree with your recommendation - to look through the local > consumer and camcorder magazines for pointers. > > Personally, I have five Sony items of hi fi: 2 TT's (one is cr#p and the > other half decent), a TA88 amp (damned ancient but looked original in its > day for being small and being a higher than its width - they made a matching > tuner that I never bought), a TCD-D3 portable DAT and a ST-5950 SD Dolby > tuner. One of the TT's, the amp and tuner are at least 20 years old, > probably more, and they've never needed repairing. Changed a fuse in the > amp once and stopped using the TT a while ago because it sounds awful. > (Can't even give it away!) But the tuner ... I had it serviced about a year > ago and it sounds very good, matching well with the even older Eico ST70. > > But maybe it's about the quality of build these days compared to how they > used to make their stuff. The more modern item - the DAT - however, is > knackered! And judging by some of the dings on it, someone had to repair it > at least once before I came by it at the then bargain price of £70. Not > much of a bargain, though, when I've only had a few hours of use out of it. > Said DAT is with Stephen and requires $180 worth of work doing to it to > repair. Frankly, I'm not at all sure it's worth spending that much dosh on > it. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > I stand corrected. I answered in the context of the > question and didn't mean to generalize to all Sony > products. I understood Tim was looking for a low > cost camcorder and $3000 was way outside the budget > under discussion. (An expensive Sony DV camcorder I > use occasionally has turned in excellent performance > and has been reliable for the past two years, in over > a dozen countries, jungles, desserts and whatnot.) > > My comment applied strictly to Sony home products. Some > people even claim that their ES line is more reliable > (though personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot > pole). Also, once a Sony product requires service (as so > many of them do), the owner is put through a via dolorosa > that puts medieval torture to shame... > > For further information, take a look at any recent > Consumer Reports yearbook. Invariably, Sony is at the > close to the worse end of the manufacturers list. > > - - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:43:11 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Sounds a safer bet than my metal polish, Jim. > > Graham > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 02 December 2001 09:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > - - -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > hmmm... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:11:53 -0800 > From: Jim Volpatti > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > Thanks Ron... > > and Graham too! > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > I bought at a local thrift store a can of 'Acrylic Scratch > > Remover' That does exactly that, when mixed with a generous > > amount of elbow grease. I have used it on my watch screen, > > CDs and LDs, as well as my TT cover, with reasonable success. > > It won't remove deep scratches but polishes away fine ones. > > > > It says on the can, 'Manufactured for Magnetite, Inc., 210 > > South St. Boston MA 02111'. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > hmmm... > > > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion on this. I'm looking for a product that > will safely > > > remove scratches, etc on turntable dust covers, etc. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > The stuff I used is off the shelf at the local hardware store, and no > > > > ingredients are mentioned on the outside of the can. It just says > "Metal > > > > polish" and that it's suitable for polishing brass, copper, steel and > > > > aluminium. (It does not appear to be recommended for silver or gold. > > > > Presumably the same stuff is put into a different can, the price hiked > up > > > > and the can labelled "Silver" or "Gold polish"!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:07:42 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine for > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit more, > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You tend > to find the single chip ones can "bleed" a bit between colours in certain > light conditions. However, even a single chip will give you overall better > picture quality that almost all Hi8 or VHS/S. Indeed, it can give U-matic a > run for its money! But you'd not want to carry a U-matic video camera > around ... > > I'd suggest the advance that digital recording makes to video is much the > same in terms of the quality you got when you jump to VHS full size format > from 8mm or even 16mm cine cameras. Why, most of the single chip camcorders > will even outperform a domestic full size VHS camera in terms of picture > sharpness ... and you won't need a mule to carry it for you, either! > > So, I'd look at it this way when you way up your choices ... if you don't > love your video work as much as your music, may be you'll be happy with the > video equivalent of a Nakamichi BX1, or even a Sony TC something or other!!! > On the other hand, if nothing short of a CR7 would do ... then look at the > digital camcorders. And if you can get your budget to reach it, got for a 3 > chip one because you'll be delighted with the clarity of the picture > quality. > > Final tip ... don't bother with one of those really VERY small camcorders - > they don't have enough weight and will shake all over the place when you > hand hold them, giving you motion sickness every time you watch your home > movies!!! > > Graham > > PS > The Nikon - not had a chance to handle one of those yet. I hear they are > quite nice, though. You'd expect them to have good optics, which is > important even with the digi' camcorders, of course. > > - - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: 02 December 2001 10:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Thanks Graham. Are your "limitation" remarks aimed at the fact you do not > care for Hi8? > > (Any tips on Digital Cameras? Two years ago I was looking into the Nikon > 800, or was it the 850, I forget.) > > Thanks again, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:20:33 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > Let me just add a few points here, based on doing a lot of camcorder work up > to about 8 years ago & a bit now & then to this day. > First, in the NTSC video standard over here, even regular 8mm looks way > better than VHS & easily competes with S-VHS. Hi8 blows away S-VHS, and, > with a good TDK tape, even U-Matic. A bit off the topic, I'll say here that > in VCR decks for the home, a Sony 8mm or Hi8 deck, regardless of year or > model, is a wonderful thing to have & use. Their upper end Hi8 decks are > nothing short of fabulous. Way, way, way better than any S-VHS deck, both > in performance & especially in build quality/reliability. My personal fav > is the EV-S3000. Incredible machine. > Second, ALL camcorders made since the early '90's have made liberal use of > "chip electrolytics", that is, surface-mount, ultra-compact electrolytic > capacitors. Ask any camcorder tech what he thinks of these caps & be > prepared for a LONG rant! They are by far the single most unreliable, > short-lived, criminally bad pieces of shit ever devised. Regardless of > manufacturer & ratings, none of these caps have more than a few years of > useful life, unless you're very, very lucky. They usually croak within 3 > years, and very often within 2 years. So don't count on ANY camcorder made > since about 1992 being reliable in the long term. As an example, go to ebay > & do a general search on "for repair" & "for parts", and you will see that a > strangely high number of entries are camcorders, with very few being > pre-1992. > So, because of these caps, if you want a great camcorder that will actually > last a long time, there are but a few older models I'd recommend, from best > downwards: > Sony: > CCD-V5000 (awesome camera, hi8, digital stereo sound) > CCD-TR101 (what I have, hi-8 with excellent "steadyshot" system) > CCD-TR81 (as above, without steadyshot) > CCD-V99 (hi8, but mono-hifi) > EVO-9100 (pro version of V99) > CCD-TR71 (non-hi8) > CCD-TR51 (non-hi8) > CCD-V11 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > CCD-V9 (non-hi8, mono-hifi) > In my experience, Canon has never made a reliable camera, as they take 90 > percent of a Sony & muck it up with the remaining 10 percent. All of the > brands, like Canon, that are photo camera makers make only, at most, the > lenses in house, OEM'ing the rest of the camcorder from Sony, Hitachi, > Panasonic or Sanyo. One curiosity of my cam tech experience: Olympus OEM'd > VHS & 8mm from Panasonic, but it seemed that just the mere act of applying > the Olympus label, which was the only change, made the cameras literally ten > times less reliable than the Panasonic branded versions. > JVC, Hitachi, Sanyo & Panasonic have never made reliable cameras, except > Panasonic's full-size VHS monsters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > Hi8 or VHS/S, much the same in terms of picture quality, and that's fine > for > > domestic use. But that's a bit like saying a BX100 is good enough and not > > to bother with a CR7, if you get my gist. If you want that little bit > more, > > especially if you want your videos to look more like the pictures you get > > from the TV station on your television, then the way to go is digital. > > > > 3 chip digital is better than single chip. To use another hi fi analogy, > > it's like the difference between discrete dual mono for stereo separation > > and the cheaper alternative. In other words, you'll get better colour > > reproduction with 3 chip than you will with a single chip camera. You > tend > > to find the ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 17:55:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:55:17 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG Message-ID: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:29:34 PM Central Standard Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA cover that is so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on the success or failure when I'm done. Ed >> Thanks Ed. I wonder if that old stuff we used in the military would work? Brasso polish? Any thoughts? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:01:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:01:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <3d.156ee2d4.293d09d1@aol.com> In a message dated 12/2/2001 10:47:18 PM Central Standard Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. >> Hi Kannan and all, Yes, the TDK shells available here in the US are very cheap. The actual tape sounds good, but the shell is horrific. And, the TDK's I've purchased don't travel as smoothly as the Maxells. Granted, the Maxells available here also incorporate a cheaper plastic than the Maxells of old, but at least the mechanism is smooth, quite and the shell is a sturdier than the TDK. I too would like to ask this group if they know of any online resources for good CR-7 food. Can't keep that tiger hungry for long... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:03:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:03:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap Message-ID: <15d.51bb8e4.293d0a76@aol.com> In a message dated 12/2/2001 11:50:33 PM Central Standard Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure where it will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the bedroom where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a story). As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up there by the time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main system, but would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. Ed >> Enjoy it Ed, and remember if you really like it Stephen can modify it to sound even better. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:10:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:10:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <66.184e8270.293d0c18@aol.com> Not to open the proverbial "can of worms," but there are a few Mac reviews of their amps accessible from their website if anyone is interested: http://www.mcintoshlabs.com click on the menu option titled "Views, News and Reviews." Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Dec 3 18:33:13 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:33:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <3d.156ee2d4.293d09d1@aol.com> Message-ID: <018c01c17c20$95fd07b0$1c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> http://www.tapeworld.com/ Maxell C-90 XLII's 5 packs $6.95 ($1.39 each) TDK C-90 SA $1.19 each Also Maxell DM 120 DATS at $4.99 each. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree > In a message dated 12/2/2001 10:47:18 PM Central Standard Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that > the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has > transparent and cheap shell! > I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good > quality cassettes. >> > > > Hi Kannan and all, > > Yes, the TDK shells available here in the US are very cheap. The actual tape > sounds good, but the shell is horrific. And, the TDK's I've purchased don't > travel as smoothly as the Maxells. Granted, the Maxells available here also > incorporate a cheaper plastic than the Maxells of old, but at least the > mechanism is smooth, quite and the shell is a sturdier than the TDK. I too > would like to ask this group if they know of any online resources for good > CR-7 food. Can't keep that tiger hungry for long... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:42:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:42:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord Message-ID: <78.1ec03de8.293d1369@aol.com> Interesting comments Ron, I have a Sony VCR that has performed well despite being one of the newer models. It replaced a 5 year old sansui VCR (I believe, brought them both from Walmart). When I worked as a producer at WBRZ-TV(http://www.wbrz.com), we used Sony beta cams and decks throughout the station and mobile production units. As a weekend producer, I quite often recorded satellite feeds using these decks and they were wonderful! Simply gorgeous picture and sound and those big bulky beta tapes. (LOL) Wonderful pieces, high-quality, and could take a beating. Hard to imagine sometimes how the professional products perform versus the consumer stuff from the same company - although I understand why and how that happens. The television ministry which works closely with the audio ministry where I am being trained as a mixing engineer also uses Sony professional gear with great results. FWIW - I do plan to get back into video production and plan on building a Mac (that's apple) work station and from what I've read, seen, and "heard" of the Canon prosumer digital cameras they offer a nice alternative with broadcast quality picture, professional features, relatively low cost, and small footprint. Unfortunately, neither of the two Cannon prosumer digital video cameras are well suited for portability (e.g., vacations) as they are still bulky vs. the small Sonys. What about JVC? I haven't heard anyone mention them and they originated the VHS and VHS-C format. I would imagine that for professional-esch video production you would need two cameras - a prosumer digital video camera, and a small JVC/Sony handheld for vacation and travel? Any thoughts? Final note - if you have an Apple Store close you owe it to yourself to visit and play with their G4 workstation and iDVD2 software. Simply amazing, you can create top-notch DVDs from your PC quickly and easily. For creatives, the iDVD templates are limited in customizability, but the stock templates can used from sharing vacations with family, weddings (they have a GREAT wedding template) to creating interactive Kiosk displays and business presentations. I know eventually this application will find its way on to the PC, but it is truly easy and fast on the Mac especially the dual-processor G4. Check it out if you don't use Mac (apple that is). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:45:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:45:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <14e.50efceb.293d1453@aol.com> In a message dated 12/3/2001 11:35:20 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << http://www.tapeworld.com/ Maxell C-90 XLII's 5 packs $6.95 ($1.39 each) TDK C-90 SA $1.19 each Also Maxell DM 120 DATS at $4.99 each. John >> Thank you John. And please allow me to return the gesture- If any of you have a Sam's Club close to you they offer Maxell XL-II's, 8 pack bundles for $7.95 (.99 cents or a 1 dollar each). Unfortunately, none of the Sam's Club close to me carry TDK blank cassettes other than the D-90 normal. If you record to normal, Sam's Club carriers the 12-pack for something crazy like $5.99/6.99. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:50:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:50:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: PS Does anyone have a great online resource for blank metal cassette media? Thank you in advance for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 18:56:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:56:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Prosumer Digital Video Cameras Message-ID: <27.1f0d5774.293d16e4@aol.com> I couldn't remember the model numbers, for those interested listed below are two reviews of the Canon prosumer models that have become popular and appear to offer broadcast-quality pictures: Canon DL - 1 http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/firstlook/story/0,23008,2436377,00.html Canon XL - 1 (can't find my bookmark at the moment, but I have a review somewhere around here) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Dec 3 19:04:52 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:04:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201c17c25$01aaf5e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Just a little sidekick about polishing things. I used to polish delicate stuff with toothpaste. It worked pretty good. Want to give it a try? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:29:34 PM Central Standard Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > << I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA > cover that is > so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on > the > success or failure when I'm done. > > Ed >> > > Thanks Ed. I wonder if that old stuff we used in the military would work? > Brasso polish? Any thoughts? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Dec 3 19:22:20 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:22:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: Message-ID: <006f01c17c27$72825f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Finding new metal tapes is becoming more and more of a challenge. I do know of a place in England that still sells them online and ship anywhere with a CC payment. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/TapeCity_Audio_Cassettes_16.html -- Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 19:42:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:42:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SR4 user(s), help. References: <002401c17bfc$bc2b1680$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <137801c17c2a$40e7faa0$403442cf@sank1> Sorry, Salim, but no. It's only for the crappy little R-1 mini receiver that was OEM'd from Toshiba or some such maker. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] SR4 user(s), help. > Hi Nakfellas, > > Can anybody tell me if this is the remote unit for SR4 ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1302997408 > > Thanks in advance, > SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Dec 3 19:46:27 2001 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:46:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: Just to add to the list of inexpensive cassette tape suppliers: http://www.ttapes.com/ Yes, the 60 minute tapes are $0.85 and the 90 minute tapes are $0.80, that is NOT a misprint! I think it is every April or early May they run a sale on the XL II tapes, but cannot remember if they include the XL II-S or not. Have no clue why they can offer them at such low prices, they are the same quality I was getting locally and from: http://www.cassettehouse.com/store/ & http://www.tapeworld.com/. You might try the following for a good price on TDK MA 60 tapes: http://www.cassettehouse.com/store/ I got 60 of them, but the shipping was 2nd day air at about $18.00 back in February or March. Did not see any alternate methods of shipment, but then I've never been accused of being an "expert" (ex is a hasbeen + a spurt is a drip under pressure = expert) on the internet, unless it is at bumbling around and finding some gem now and then. The shells are the sonically welded ones, not the 5-screw construction ones. They seem to be more rigid than the 5-screw, but have had some of the same construction in the SA formulation cause the tape to bind. So far, about 15 tapes, no problems with the MA shells. Having said that, now the rest of them will have problems. Just some more possible "food" supply outlets. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 12/03/01 12:33PM >>> http://www.tapeworld.com/ Maxell C-90 XLII's 5 packs $6.95 ($1.39 each) TDK C-90 SA $1.19 each Also Maxell DM 120 DATS at $4.99 each. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree > In a message dated 12/2/2001 10:47:18 PM Central Standard Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that > the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has > transparent and cheap shell! > I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good > quality cassettes. >> > > > Hi Kannan and all, > > Yes, the TDK shells available here in the US are very cheap. The actual tape > sounds good, but the shell is horrific. And, the TDK's I've purchased don't > travel as smoothly as the Maxells. Granted, the Maxells available here also > incorporate a cheaper plastic than the Maxells of old, but at least the > mechanism is smooth, quite and the shell is a sturdier than the TDK. I too > would like to ask this group if they know of any online resources for good > CR-7 food. Can't keep that tiger hungry for long... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 3 19:51:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:51:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG References: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> <002201c17c25$01aaf5e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <13a001c17c2b$85b2a580$403442cf@sank1> I've been using toothpaste to polish scratched CD's, laserdiscs & dust covers for some years now. Works well for very fine scratches, but not for any thing the least bit severe. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > Just a little sidekick about polishing things. I used to polish delicate > stuff with toothpaste. It worked pretty good. Want to give it a try? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak head damage and the TDK MA-XG > > > > In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:29:34 PM Central Standard Time, > > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > > > << I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA > > cover that is > > so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post > on > > the > > success or failure when I'm done. > > > > Ed >> > > > > Thanks Ed. I wonder if that old stuff we used in the military would work? > > Brasso polish? 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford 2" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Finding new metal tapes is becoming more and more of a challenge. I do know of a place in England that still sells them online and ship anywhere with a CC payment. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/TapeCity_Audio_Cassettes_16.html -- Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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And please allow me to return the gesture- If any of you > have a Sam's Club close to you they offer Maxell XL-II's, 8 pack bundles for > $7.95 (.99 cents or a 1 dollar each). Unfortunately, none of the Sam's Club > close to me carry TDK blank cassettes other than the D-90 normal. If you > record to normal, Sam's Club carriers the 12-pack for something crazy like > $5.99/6.99. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 3 21:51:44 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:51:44 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B82@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Kannan, I'd like a few of these tapes, e-mail me privately and we can discuss soem arrangement. Best regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 1:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Tom I should mail few Australian made TDK SAs to you or atleast scan the covers and send you the scan!! The difference is the color of outer plastic sheet cover which is blue incase of australian make. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos < Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree I don't believe it! TDK actually assembled cassettes in Australia! Wow I'd like to see that. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 3:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest < thsinclair at localdial.com > To: naktalk at naks.com < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 22:13:09 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:13:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <006f01c17c27$72825f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <13a901c17c2b$bd62eee0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000d01c17c3f$4f7d9a60$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks Stephen, I'll have a look at that Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree > www.protape.com carries consumer & pro grades of TDK & Maxell of all > currently available types, with nice pricing. They carry open reel, video, > DAT, CD-R & etc. as well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford 2" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree > > > Finding new metal tapes is becoming more and more of a challenge. I do know > of a place in England that still sells them online and ship anywhere with a > CC payment. > > http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/TapeCity_Audio_Cassettes_16.html > > -- Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 22:16:22 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:16:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <006f01c17c27$72825f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <001c01c17c3f$c2a10180$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi Roland, I'll check that one out - the more sources, the merrier. I got my Maxell from Richer Sounds. Try customerservices at richersounds.com Regards, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford 2 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Finding new metal tapes is becoming more and more of a challenge. I do know of a place in England that still sells them online and ship anywhere with a CC payment. http://www.tapecity.co.uk/acatalog/TapeCity_Audio_Cassettes_16.html -- Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 22:19:51 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:19:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes References: Message-ID: <002c01c17c40$3f5571c0$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi, Richer Sounds. They can be contacted on customerservices at richersounds.com Their mail order department didn't have any in stock, but I was directed towards Hanley, Stoke-on-Trent (01782 289 009). They took a personal cheque. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Decent cassettes > > Hi Sinclair, > > Can you please tell me the address of the UK shop that you got the tapes > from? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 22:24:49 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:24:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <008e01c17bb2$1efee160$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <005001c17c40$f0b48c80$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi Kannan Thanks for the info and offer of a source of tapes from your neck of the woods. The way things are going I may well have to get them from there in the not-too-distant future. The quality of the shells isn't very encouraging these days, although the tape inside seems to be okay. One of the Maxells I got recently began squeaking on the second time through the Dragon (hope it was the tape and not the machine!). I miss the old Maxell black shells. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Dec 3 22:27:13 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:27:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005c01c17c41$46f0f700$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi I think that's the best idea - then you can build up a supply for the future. Although I use DAT and CDR, there's something about cassette... Just hope supplies don't dry up completely. Cheers, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi Sinclair, I like your term "Dragon food", very funny indeed. I too have found it increasingly difficult to buy such tapes. My alternative is to snap-up as much tapes direct from the manufacturer (if they have any surplus stock), or by e-bay. E-bay America has a wealth of such tapes if you look hard enough. I've just received a shipment of 14 TDK SA-90 built in 1985 still in their original wrapper. Keep on trying and get as much "food" as you can. All the best Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: Monday, 3 December 2001 10:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 3 22:29:51 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:29:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B86@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree Sinclair, Does anyone know anyone who may have these old beauties and may want to part with them? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 8:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Kannan Thanks for the info and offer of a source of tapes from your neck of the woods. The way things are going I may well have to get them from there in the not-too-distant future. The quality of the shells isn't very encouraging these days, although the tape inside seems to be okay. One of the Maxells I got recently began squeaking on the second time through the Dragon (hope it was the tape and not the machine!). I miss the old Maxell black shells. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Hi Sinclair I love this Dragon Food stuff! Incidently I find TDK SA/ Sony Metal SR tapes are coming to India with Made in Australia tags ( Tapes made in Japan / assembled in Australia). Infact I found Sony Metal SR is slightly cheaper than TDK MA. TDK SA is cheaper than Maxell XLII - I asked why and got the answer that the Shell for Maxell II is rigid non transparent plastic while SA has transparent and cheap shell! I think slowly markets in Western countries are not very bright for good quality cassettes. Do not worry somebody from this side of Indian ocean can make arrangements to get your Dragon Food! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest < thsinclair at localdial.com > To: naktalk at naks.com < naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Dec 3 22:38:42 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:38:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <006f01c17c27$72825f40$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <001c01c17c3f$c2a10180$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <001801c17c42$e143fea0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Sinclair, If you want good quality shells along with decent tape, try the TDK SMX series if you haven't already done so. They are inexpensive and made for the studio, but still a Type II tape -- not metal but they are good. You can get them here: http://www.tapeworld.com/ Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 23:29:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:29:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <90.1df31b5b.293d56b4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/3/2001 3:40:48 PM Central Standard Time, roleo at telus.net writes: << Sinclair, If you want good quality shells along with decent tape, try the TDK SMX series if you haven't already done so. They are inexpensive and made for the studio, but still a Type II tape -- not metal but they are good. You can get them here: http://www.tapeworld.com/ Roland >> Hi Roland, Several months ago I posted a message regarding my experience with the TDK SMX-Pro cassette and my CR-7. I understand that it is basically a TDK SA-X. What machine did you use and what has been your experience? They have been ranging in cost around $2.50 each, which is high compared to what I can purchase Maxell XL-IIs and TDK MA-90s. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 23:29:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:29:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree Message-ID: <162.4f8fd62.293d56ce@aol.com> Thank you all for the wonderful blank cassette media resources, I really appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 00:14:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:14:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh lovers note ... In-Reply-To: <001c01c17c3f$c2a10180$4f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <001f01c17c50$4131dfa0$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> An MC26 for sale on e-Bay. Is this anything special? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305569769 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Dec 4 00:20:58 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:20:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Food for the Dragon - Cassettes of Pedigree References: <90.1df31b5b.293d56b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <007101c17c51$2aa47260$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Sinclair, I have used the TDK SMX tapes on the MR-1 and the DR-2. Neither up there with the CR-7, but decent sounding machines. They sounded good, but I don't claim to have "golden ears". My main comment regarding the SMX tapes was with regard to the quality of the shells. I have found them to be quite solid, much like the tapes we used to buy before. -Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Dec 4 01:23:34 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:23:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> Ed, what are old dynaco speakers like? Were they built by you in kit form or were these only offered preassembled? Brian Stocker Ed Noyes wrote: > I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure where it > will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the bedroom > where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a story). > As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up there by the > time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main system, but > would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. > > Ed > > > > > > > Congratulations Ed. Do you plan to have it modified? And, what speakers > > will you use with it? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Dec 4 01:57:58 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:57:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> Dang Javier, I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. Brian Stocker Javier Perez wrote: > Why Thankyou Brian > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering resources > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with a > deficit > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > mentioned. > See Ya > Javier > > PS > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the preamp > section of the units! > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and although > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of many, to > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, like > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff is > > remarkable. > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business and > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound great, > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more than > > paid for! > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > Well > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > Javier > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they continue > > > to > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? I > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of the > > > amp to > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > those > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation sure > > > seems > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. Perhaps > > > they > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. Hey, I > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Dec 4 01:55:30 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:55:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Owners of Japan References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000201c17c5e$5f696fc0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I just stumbled onto this, a site I hadn't seen before. Has some good info and pictures of the decks and accessories. Some script is in English. Mostly in Japanese. But it's worth a look. Check out the "ancient" decks at 'Ancient Generation; 1973-1979' link Nakamichi Owners of Japan http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 02:02:22 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:02:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: A-B Tests. In-Reply-To: <3C0C0E42.23739B97@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c17c5f$545e7b60$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Thought some of you would be interested to know that this wonderful debate has cropped up elsewhere, on the H J Leak club. Here's a recent posting that you may find interesting not least because of its reference to a McIntosh engineer: Subject: Re: Some wonderful rants: Thanks for the Link...I'm sorry but with what I read I can only conclude that the guy makes a lot of sense. In my 35 years of being an audio engineer with RCA and independents I spent quite a bit of time doing blind A, B tests with people who had a "super this and that" and when all was done what seemed like common sense also ruled in the audio results and the "super" differences were inaudible. We also did extensive cable tests and I agree with the now retired, I believe, chief engineer of MacIntosh that no audible differences can be heard with cables of the same current capacity although again as Elliot pointed out the use of inductive cancelling wire (using for example 4 twisted pair with both the hot and ground in the same cable or 2 video co-ax with the center wire of each cable containing the opposite source would make a difference in certain speakers ie early Quads) However, it seems, even though many times we hear what we want to hear and as long as the cost does not take away food from my family's table, I will always love my hobby and the experimentation and the intrinsic personal satisfaction in that experimentation. So enjoy the fuller sound in that new silcon grease in your Garrards bearings, I know I would. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 02:59:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:59:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh lovers note ... References: <001f01c17c50$4131dfa0$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <140a01c17c67$57b8f760$403442cf@sank1> The C26 is a not quite first generation ss preamp. It's just adequate. Not great. The C24, the first ss, was simply awful(strange since their first ss amps were wonderful), the C27 is fairly good, the C28 is barely good, the C29, C32 & C33 are really quite good, and the only ss models, short of the current/recent very expensive models, that I would care to own. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh lovers note ... > An MC26 for sale on e-Bay. Is this anything special? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305569769 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 03:02:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:02:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <141401c17c67$b77a3600$403442cf@sank1> Never heard of kit speakers from Dynaco. My first pair of speakers ever was a pair of original A35's. They were actually pretty good. Nice SEAS drivers, nice cabinets, crappy crossovers. Don't even remember what happened to them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > Ed, > > what are old dynaco speakers like? Were they built by you in kit form or were these only > offered preassembled? > > Brian Stocker > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure where it > > will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the bedroom > > where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a story). > > As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up there by the > > time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main system, but > > would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Ed. Do you plan to have it modified? And, what speakers > > > will you use with it? > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 4 02:58:53 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:58:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cables again Message-ID: <000901c17c67$39c6f360$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> About cables. I don't want to spend money on expensive cables but I'm attracted to the diy-cables you find on the Net. Even if I know from my own experience that nothing can be more biased than listening to something you made yourself - at least for a while! Have a look at these diy cablelinks - I haven't tried them but one of these days......... http://wwwhttp://www.brennwald.matthias.com/.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2.html Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 03:09:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:09:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: A-B Tests. References: <003201c17c5f$545e7b60$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <143201c17c68$c32e02a0$403442cf@sank1> Interestingly enough, another old RCA engineer, who was heavily into output transformer designs, among other things, and who, at over 80, is certainly an "old school engineer", is one of the biggest "cable difference enthusiasts" I've ever known. He was very much into MIT speaker cables last I spoke with him. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: A-B Tests. > Thought some of you would be interested to know that this wonderful debate > has cropped up elsewhere, on the H J Leak club. Here's a recent posting > that you may find interesting not least because of its reference to a > McIntosh engineer: > > Subject: Re: Some wonderful rants: > > Thanks for the Link...I'm sorry but with what I read I > can only conclude that the guy makes a lot of sense. > In my 35 years of being an audio engineer with RCA and > independents I spent quite a bit of time doing blind > A, B tests with people who had a "super this and > that" and when all was done what seemed like common > sense also ruled in the audio results and the "super" > differences were inaudible. We also did extensive > cable tests and I agree with the now retired, I > believe, chief engineer of MacIntosh that no audible > differences can be heard with cables of the same > current capacity although again as Elliot pointed out > the use of inductive cancelling wire (using for > example 4 twisted pair with both the hot and ground in > the same cable or 2 video co-ax with the center wire > of each cable containing the opposite source would > make a difference in certain speakers ie early Quads) > However, it seems, even though many times we hear what > we want to hear and as long as the cost does not take > away food from my family's table, I will always love > my hobby and the experimentation and the intrinsic > personal satisfaction in that experimentation. So > enjoy the fuller sound in that new silcon grease in > your Garrards bearings, I know I would. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 4 03:06:31 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:06:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem Message-ID: <001201c17c68$4b0a6520$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Ron It seems very difficult to find a qualified Nak-technician in Denmark these days. And I'm not really prepared to have an expensive back-and-forth shipment to Holland as Graham suggested. Maybe I can try myself. I have some experience with speakerbuilding and crossovers, but not much with electronics...The powersupply in my Nak CR7 blew the 2 x 1,25 A fuses again, but not the 500mA fuse. Does that tell you anything and what could I do now? Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Tue Dec 4 03:09:14 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:09:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem Message-ID: <200112040209.VAA01876@herrman.road> My 680zx has just quit working. It has been making a slight clicking noise recently, not loud but quite rapid, coming from the cassette well. Now the take-up reel doesn't turn at all and the light in the well is also acting strange. It goes out when I press play or FF, but it returns if I press stop or RW. Any ideas as to how serious this might be? --Jud Herrman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 03:31:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:31:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem References: <001201c17c68$4b0a6520$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <147801c17c6b$d2f68240$403442cf@sank1> You'll need to narrow down the fault search a bit first. Unplug CN-40 from the power supply board & see if the 1.25A fuses blow again. If they do, then there is damage in the supply itseld, and it may be only that. If not, the problem can be anywhere else, just about, in the deck, and further "process of elimination" is needed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem Ron It seems very difficult to find a qualified Nak-technician in Denmark these days. And I'm not really prepared to have an expensive back-and-forth shipment to Holland as Graham suggested. Maybe I can try myself. I have some experience with speakerbuilding and crossovers, but not much with electronics...The powersupply in my Nak CR7 blew the 2 x 1,25 A fuses again, but not the 500mA fuse. Does that tell you anything and what could I do now? Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 03:33:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:33:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem References: <200112040209.VAA01876@herrman.road> Message-ID: <147e01c17c6c$1fab0b60$403442cf@sank1> Sounds exactly like the brushes inside the reel drive motor have worn through. You'll need to either replace the motor, or take it apart & pirate some brushes out of a similar motor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem > > My 680zx has just quit working. It has been making a slight clicking > noise recently, not loud but quite rapid, coming from the cassette > well. Now the take-up reel doesn't turn at all and the light in the > well is also acting strange. It goes out when I press play or FF, but > it returns if I press stop or RW. Any ideas as to how serious this > might be? --Jud Herrman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 4 03:31:42 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:31:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Diy speaker cables Message-ID: <001101c17c6b$cfaab2a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> I'm sorry those links got tangled somehow. Here they are again. http://www.brennwald.matthias.com/ Ole http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2.html Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 4 03:30:00 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Camcord References: <001d01c17b65$bba8cdc0$98b787d9@a4s1s2> <3C0AEEBD.72D11CCA@snet.net> <130501c17be4$f05ef740$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0C3527.ADAD350C@snet.net> You can be sure I'll be sending my troublesome D7 your way when I get a chance! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Well, see. You should have sent your D3 to me to fix in the first place. > It wasn't the D3 at fault, it was the underpaid warranty techs' faults. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Camcord > > > If you're running Sony at the pro level there is nothing as reliable. We > have Beta SP > > decks that have logged up to 5000 hours of day in and out usage with no > major > > breakdowns... it's good stuff. At the consumer level they suck... both my > camcorder, > > and two portable DAT decks had eventual problems with my D3 terminal > nearly from day > > one. With several trips to the service center in Westwood, MA, I can say > that they are > > terrible. The techs get paid a flat rate per job... if you can get three > items barely > > running in an hour and make three times as much as one properly repaired > item in the > > same time at one third the pay... well which would you be doing... sad, > but true. > > > > Ed > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > You'll do well to avoid Sony -- their quality and > > > reliability (not to mention, Service) have been on a > > > sharp decline for thae past dew years. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > That may well be true of their domestic cameras but their semi-pro' > 3-chip > > > digitals, esp. the DCR-VX1000 (sells for less than £2k in the UK) is > very > > > popular with broadcast news journalists all around he World, although > it's > > > becoming a bit dated now. Those guys need reliability esp. when they > are > > > working on location. (Bet your bottom $ that most of the digi' > camcorders > > > being used by journalists in Afghanistan right now are coming to your > > > screens from several of those Sony's! And the other pictures will > probably > > > be coming from Canon dig'camcorders, like the XM1 or DM-XL1, neither of > them > > > more than $3k a piece, which is pretty cheap when you consider these are > > > broadcast quality cameras. There might even be the odd Panasonic > NV-DX100 - > > > like my wife's - or DX110 out there, too.) > > > > > > Now, I know something like that is well outside the ballpark figure but > > > then, some of these great 3 chip digi cameras are now considered out of > date > > > already and finding their way onto the 2nd hand market at very good > prices. > > > Mind you, that particular Sony digi'camcorder wouldn't Dad 'cos it > doesn't > > > have a swing out screen. > > > > > > Otherwise ... I've done some digging and here are a list of camcorders > that > > > are worth a closer look: > > > > > > JVC GR-FXM15 > > > Panasonic > > > Sony CCD-TR425; CCD-TRV27; > > > Canon G1000; UC-V300 > > > Sharp VL-610 or VL-760 > > > Samsung VP-L300 > > > > > > These are last year's models and probably available at discounted > prices. > > > None are digital cameras, tho - 8mm or VHS/C > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 4 03:42:17 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:42:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers References: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0C3807.5F6EFDC0@snet.net> Well, I gave it a shot and have to say that while there was an improvement for minor scratches, it was a lot of effort for a pretty nominal return... perhaps the silver polish is best for a final buffing. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:29:34 PM Central Standard Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > << I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA > cover that is > so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on > the > success or failure when I'm done. > > Ed >> > > Thanks Ed. I wonder if that old stuff we used in the military would work? > Brasso polish? Any thoughts? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 4 03:43:38 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:43:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <15d.51bb8e4.293d0a76@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0C3858.C6A3BB2@snet.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/2/2001 11:50:33 PM Central Standard Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > << I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure > where it > will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the > bedroom > where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a > story). > As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up > there by the > time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main > system, but > would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. > > Ed >> > > Enjoy it Ed, and remember if you really like it Stephen can modify it to > sound even better. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Oh, I know what Stephen can do first hand... I enjoy his fine work every day! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Tue Dec 4 03:50:35 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:50:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:33:55 MST." <147e01c17c6c$1fab0b60$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <200112040250.VAA01973@herrman.road> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Stephen, Thanks for the quick reply. I've been thinking of sending the deck to you for calibration and tune-up (you just did worked on my 480, and Noah is very happy with it by the way). Assuming the problem is the brushes, what would you charge to fix the motor and do routine maintenance and calibration? --Jud Herrman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html iQCVAwUBPAw5+fhj30kBwGixAQFrKgP+NiEBA07IVbcEM9VR73ewbd2F71knqp28 b6s0W0FMkAQXwZlsYI0t/rt8FH45InLgfx/gCAOQwrI/HXlzepq+1Te5OISEj/R3 RGWpuZBQzqeSvUl4ZVB6OmD9izzasNXj1Gygz+V/blXCPSOQQXuxfhCxvzOzJEwb NVbAE+8DOlY= =i6LZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 4 03:54:17 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:54:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem References: <200112040209.VAA01876@herrman.road> Message-ID: <001401c17c6e$f76199a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Could it be that the idler has worn out? The symptoms remind me of when my Cr7 refused to go when I pressed Play and I had to have a new idler. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem > > My 680zx has just quit working. It has been making a slight clicking > noise recently, not loud but quite rapid, coming from the cassette > well. Now the take-up reel doesn't turn at all and the light in the > well is also acting strange. It goes out when I press play or FF, but > it returns if I press stop or RW. Any ideas as to how serious this > might be? --Jud Herrman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Dec 4 03:55:21 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:55:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? Message-ID: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems like such great sources of information that I have feeling one of you can help me with this . . . I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my problem. If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it for me). Any help greatly apprecaited. Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Dec 4 03:55:16 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:55:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C0C3B11.BAB53CB4@snet.net> As far as I know the old Dynaco speakers were only available assembled. The line all shared an aperiodic duct suspension which incorporated a fairly compliant woofer with a duct that was stuffed with foam. Similar in some ways to a transmission line approach, this was said to combine many of the virtues of acoustic suspension and ported systems (Fried was also well know for using a similar design). The only Dyna's that I'm familiar with is the A25 which is a moderately small two way bookshelf with a 10" woofer. The drivers are actually made by Seas in Denmark and prove to be pretty good quality and I'd have to say that while these won't redefine the high end in any way, they do prove to be very smooth with their strong point being really amazing imaging. Ed britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Ed, > > what are old dynaco speakers like? Were they built by you in kit form or were these only > offered preassembled? > > Brian Stocker > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > I will probably see what this can do as a stock piece. I'm really not sure where it > > will go as I don't have a real need for a receiver right now... probably the bedroom > > where it will replace a heavily modified old Pioneer integrated amp (quite a story). > > As far as speakers, I'll probably have a pair of the old Dynaco A-25's up there by the > > time this arrives. I might consider seeing what it can do in the main system, but > > would hardly expect it to match a "Sanktified" Moscode amp and Spectral pre. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Ed. Do you plan to have it modified? And, what speakers > > > will you use with it? > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 04:06:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:06:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680zx problem References: <200112040250.VAA01973@herrman.road> Message-ID: <14a001c17c70$bbaf6520$403442cf@sank1> Just a bit more than you paid for me to do the 480. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680zx problem > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hi Stephen, Thanks for the quick reply. I've been thinking of sending > the deck to you for calibration and tune-up (you just did worked on my > 480, and Noah is very happy with it by the way). Assuming the problem > is the brushes, what would you charge to fix the motor and do routine > maintenance and calibration? --Jud Herrman > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > Comment: Pub. key: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jherrman/pgp.html > > iQCVAwUBPAw5+fhj30kBwGixAQFrKgP+NiEBA07IVbcEM9VR73ewbd2F71knqp28 > b6s0W0FMkAQXwZlsYI0t/rt8FH45InLgfx/gCAOQwrI/HXlzepq+1Te5OISEj/R3 > RGWpuZBQzqeSvUl4ZVB6OmD9izzasNXj1Gygz+V/blXCPSOQQXuxfhCxvzOzJEwb > NVbAE+8DOlY= > =i6LZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Tue Dec 4 04:13:55 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 03:13:55 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap In-Reply-To: <3C0C3B11.BAB53CB4@snet.net> References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> <3C0C3B11.BAB53CB4@snet.net> Message-ID: <3c113c86.26697021@mail.voicenet.com> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:55:16 -0500, Ed Noyes wrote: >As far as I know the old Dynaco speakers were only available assembled. The line all shared >an aperiodic duct suspension which incorporated a fairly compliant woofer with a duct that >was stuffed with foam. Similar in some ways to a transmission line approach, this was said >to combine many of the virtues of acoustic suspension and ported systems (Fried was also >well know for using a similar design). The only Dyna's that I'm familiar with is the A25 >which is a moderately small two way bookshelf with a 10" woofer. The drivers are actually >made by Seas in Denmark and prove to be pretty good quality and I'd have to say that while >these won't redefine the high end in any way, they do prove to be very smooth with their >strong point being really amazing imaging. > >Ed These are kind words, very nice! For the record, we never made or sold a loudspeaker kit of any sort. (I worked at Dyna in the 70s.) The A-25 had a volume of "25 liters", and the A-35 was "35 liters". At the very beginning, the drivers were ScanSpeak, but they were eventually upgraded to SEAS. Everything was made in Denmark for us. Why do they sound so good (considering they're equipped with an olde-fashioned 1.5" soft dome tweeter)? I wish I knew, exactly (ha!) but here's one possible reason - the crossover to the tweeter was just RC, nothing more, and the woofer had NO crossover. Less is more! Also, the drivers were _designed_ to work together in that cabinet, and the woofer and the tweeter were connected in the same polarity (unlike the truly atrocious Advents). Again, thanks for the kind words and the good memories! Mike 'uses A-35 as computer speakers' Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at shaw.ca Tue Dec 4 04:31:02 2001 From: audioguy1 at shaw.ca (audioguy1 at shaw.ca) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:31:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers References: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> <3C0C3807.5F6EFDC0@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C0C4376.F52730B8@shaw.ca> I've used Meguire's swirl remover and Fine Cut cleaner and it turned out pretty impressive. These are automotive polishes(not waxes). After buffing, wash with soap and water and depending how bad, repeat. The swirl remover is a very delicate polish, the fine cut a little more aggressive. Rick Ed Noyes wrote: > Well, I gave it a shot and have to say that while there was an improvement for minor > scratches, it was a lot of effort for a pretty nominal return... perhaps the silver > polish is best for a final buffing. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 4 04:34:08 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:04:08 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? Message-ID: <00d701c17c74$896c20e0$42d60192@vsnl> There is agood chance that this IRQ conflict is the main culprit. Move back the SCSI controller card to its original slot and check IRQ setting coming along while booting. Also read your SCSI card docs if there are some. If that card is a plug & play find some utility that may fix the IRQ otherwise remove the SCSI card / boot /remove any of the scsi card shown on Contolpanel/system/device manager-then shutdown and reinstall SCSI card and reboot. This sometimes corrects but you need SCSI device driver floppy or CD with you. Generally PCI slot can create problem as first PCI slot is reserved for some IRQ setting while your SCSI card may be having fixed IRQ not matching with PCI slot reserved IRQ. Once you solve the problem - dicument it for next time trouble shhoting. ( I do not know if you have installed US robotics internal modem - that gave a lot of headach that I started using external modems!!!) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems like such great sources of information that I have feeling one of you can help me with this . . . I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my problem. If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it for me). Any help greatly apprecaited. Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Tue Dec 4 05:38:25 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:38:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers References: <63.2b949bb.293d0875@aol.com> <3C0C3807.5F6EFDC0@snet.net> <3C0C4376.F52730B8@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <3C0C5332.AA6E3490@pacbell.net> back in my paddling days on Kaneohe bay, we often resurfaced (damned reef and coralheads), repainted and polished our kayaks and hobiecats. The process calls for beginning with a heavy grit and moving down the scale to the smoothness you wanted or were willing to put forth the elbowgrease. Smooth hulls provide a better laminar flow of h20 along the vessel. so there was certainly a reward for the additional effort and investment in smaller increments of descending "grits". How does that relate to removing scratches on any kinda stuff; just like woodworkers and many other finisher types, use the same concept and start out with coarse grits and work down to a level that is acceptable for your purposes. This is really true: I had a college roommate who would never put the records back in the sleeves. Occasionally he would throw them all in the dishwasher!!!!!!!!!!!! audioguy1 at shaw.ca wrote: > I've used Meguire's swirl remover and Fine Cut cleaner and it turned out pretty > impressive. These are automotive polishes(not waxes). After buffing, wash with soap and > water and depending how bad, repeat. > The swirl remover is a very delicate polish, the fine cut a little more aggressive. > Rick > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > Well, I gave it a shot and have to say that while there was an improvement for minor > > scratches, it was a lot of effort for a pretty nominal return... perhaps the silver > > polish is best for a final buffing. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 05:37:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:37:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3C0C52F3.45FAF567@yahoo.com> The old 2600s huh. My newest mac amp is a 2125 BTW: I keep mentioning that there's a McIntosh list on topica.com in case anybody wants to join but there are few takers There are about 30 subscribers but very quiet ones! If anybody wants in just drop me an e-mail and I'll add them to it. See Ya Javier britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Dang Javier, > > I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I > think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the > engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have > amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like > you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with > whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a > beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! > > Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( > I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" > attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is > a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. > > Brian Stocker > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering > > resources > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with > > a > > deficit > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > mentioned. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > PS > > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the > > preamp > > section of the units! > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and > > although > > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of > > many, to > > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, > > like > > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff > > is > > > remarkable. > > > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business > > and > > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound > > great, > > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more > > than > > > paid for! > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > Well > > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they > > continue > > > > to > > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? > > I > > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of > > the > > > > amp to > > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > > those > > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation > > sure > > > > seems > > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. > > Perhaps > > > > they > > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard > > Time, > > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. > > Hey, I > > > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 4 05:40:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:10:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem Message-ID: <014001c17c7e$774f6520$42d60192@vsnl> My suggestion is as follows Look around near the fuse for some damage to caps/ or diode bridge or anyother like resistors. You can look at large black electolytic caps next to these fuses and see whether the top can is opened out due to surge. Also at the bottom check the diode bridge ( 4 legs -two of them connected directly to these fuses - check using Digital Multi meter diode check if you know how or check using resistance range one direction of the connction marked ~ to + and then - mark on the PCB you will find low resistance showing conduction while opposite direction showing very high resistance with no conduction at all. Also Stephen' suggestion to remove the connector sending the power out of Power supply PCB and check. If your problem is not in the power supply, then check the motor connection as motors use high currents and possible shorting on the motor drawing large currents as you said while Azimuth adjustment time the problem occurred. Also there are plenty of possiblities and you may need a service manual and keen detective skills Wish you good luck in getting back the CR7 in its glory Are you feeding your Cr7 regularly??? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem >You'll need to narrow down the fault search a bit first. Unplug CN-40 from >the power supply board & see if the 1.25A fuses blow again. If they do, >then there is damage in the supply itseld, and it may be only that. If not, >the problem can be anywhere else, just about, in the deck, and further >"process of elimination" is needed. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ole thofte" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:06 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cr7 problem > > >Ron >It seems very difficult to find a qualified Nak-technician in Denmark these >days. And I'm not really prepared to have an expensive back-and-forth >shipment to Holland as Graham suggested. >Maybe I can try myself. I have some experience with speakerbuilding and >crossovers, but not much with electronics...The powersupply in my Nak CR7 >blew the 2 x 1,25 A fuses again, but not the 500mA fuse. Does that tell you >anything and what could I do now? >Ole > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 06:23:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:23:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> <3C0C52F3.45FAF567@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14cc01c17c83$d7a59e80$403442cf@sank1> Javier, You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > The old 2600s huh. > My newest mac amp is a 2125 > BTW: > I keep mentioning that there's a McIntosh list on topica.com > in case anybody wants to join but there are few takers > There are about 30 subscribers but very quiet ones! > If anybody wants in just drop me an e-mail and I'll add them > to it. > See Ya > Javier > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Dang Javier, > > > > I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I > > think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the > > engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have > > amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like > > you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with > > whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a > > beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! > > > > Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( > > I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" > > attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is > > a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering > > > resources > > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with > > > a > > > deficit > > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > > mentioned. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > PS > > > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > > > > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > > > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > > > > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the > > > preamp > > > section of the units! > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and > > > although > > > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of > > > many, to > > > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, > > > like > > > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff > > > is > > > > remarkable. > > > > > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business > > > and > > > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound > > > great, > > > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more > > > than > > > > paid for! > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well > > > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they > > > continue > > > > > to > > > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? > > > I > > > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of > > > the > > > > > amp to > > > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > > > those > > > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation > > > sure > > > > > seems > > > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. > > > Perhaps > > > > > they > > > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. > > > Hey, I > > > > > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 06:43:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:43:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <14a.51eb19f.293dbc8d@aol.com> In a message dated 12/3/2001 11:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Javier, You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. >> 2105? I recall seeing them on eBay often. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > In a message dated 12/3/2001 11:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Javier, > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. >> > > 2105? I recall seeing them on eBay often. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 07:10:44 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 01:10:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> <3C0C52F3.45FAF567@yahoo.com> <14cc01c17c83$d7a59e80$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0C68E4.DF21C89D@yahoo.com> Well Steve I've got them both somewhere in the house but can't find either one. It's been a long time since I heard my 2105 but the 2100s should sound the same. And yes they do sound great but I would say the 2125 has a little more detail than the first generation. I'll have to check again for overall sound and see. It's been a long time since I tried them both on the same day. You've got me worried now since I suddenly can't find either one. But they must be here somewhere. They can't float away! BTW how would you rate the MC50s. I'm currently running a pair coupled to a set of Optimus (Yeah I know, crap) Pro LX 5 Linaleum or something speakers and an Optimus subwoofer. Originally I had used them as part of my home theatre setup with a Nad 917 and a pair of 2100s. But the Nad crapped out and almost killed both surrounds, then the rabbits chewed through the surround cables so I said fuck it. Home theatre is way too much trouble particularly since I hate 99% of all the movies I see. See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Javier, > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > The old 2600s huh. > > My newest mac amp is a 2125 > > BTW: > > I keep mentioning that there's a McIntosh list on topica.com > > in case anybody wants to join but there are few takers > > There are about 30 subscribers but very quiet ones! > > If anybody wants in just drop me an e-mail and I'll add them > > to it. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Dang Javier, > > > > > > I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I > > > think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the > > > engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have > > > amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like > > > you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with > > > whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a > > > beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! > > > > > > Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( > > > I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" > > > attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is > > > a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering > > > > resources > > > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with > > > > a > > > > deficit > > > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > > > mentioned. > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > PS > > > > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > > > > > > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > > > > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > > > > > > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the > > > > preamp > > > > section of the units! > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and > > > > although > > > > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of > > > > many, to > > > > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, > > > > like > > > > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff > > > > is > > > > > remarkable. > > > > > > > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business > > > > and > > > > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound > > > > great, > > > > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more > > > > than > > > > > paid for! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well > > > > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they > > > > continue > > > > > > to > > > > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? > > > > I > > > > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of > > > > the > > > > > > amp to > > > > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > > > > those > > > > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation > > > > sure > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > they > > > > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. > > > > Hey, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 07:09:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:09:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <132.5b329a2.293dc2ac@aol.com> FWIW - I've NEVER been a McIntosh loyalist or even liked their components. However, since I've never heard them I've always kept an open mind despite my dislike for their styling. (the artist in me). I have to admit that I am interested in learning more and auditioning their new MA6500 and MA6900 integrated amps. And, I also find the new MX132 preamp/processor very intriguing as it allows the simultaneous use of two separate amplifiers and multiple speakers. With those options, I would run one 5-channel amp and use it's AV capabilities, and also run a separate 2-channel amp for my audio system. Unfortunately, in this scenario you lose balanced connections and tone controls. And, all of your signals are processed through the 24-bit DACs. As with any audio piece, I have to hear them before making a decision. I am open to hearing as many components as possible as that is the only way I personally know of that allows me to make a decision based on my listening preferences and taste. There's just so many choices these days you really have to narrow your options and choose a few choice components. Not to mention the issues associated with digital components...just my two cents, thanks for the discussion. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 07:12:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:12:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <9b.1f08bf24.293dc352@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:46 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << These were, by far, the most musical ss mac amps until the MC300/500/1000 amps came out. >> Again, I personally would have to hear them for myself, but from what I've read from the mags and users, the new MC352, MC602, and MC1200 appear to all be great performers surpassing their MC300/500/and 1000 predecessors. But again, you have to listen as you can't always believe what you read in the magazines. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 07:26:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:26:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> <3C0C52F3.45FAF567@yahoo.com> <14cc01c17c83$d7a59e80$403442cf@sank1> <3C0C68E4.DF21C89D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <150601c17c8c$8d91e8e0$403442cf@sank1> The 2125 may sound more detailed superficially, but I think you will find on a/b comparison that the 2105, 2100 & the MC50's(forgot to include the MC50 & MC100 monoblocks in the list, where they duly belong) allow you to forget about the equipment & get sucked into the music much more than with the 2125. But I would say that the 2125 is the best of the "uninvolving" 2nd generation amps. On the MC50's, those & the other two 50w models have a simpler input/drive stage circuit, so do sound a bit different, but I think are very close to as good as the bigger brothers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > Well Steve > I've got them both somewhere in the house but can't find either one. > It's been a long time since I heard my 2105 but the 2100s should sound > the same. And yes they do sound great but I would say the 2125 has a > little more detail than the first generation. I'll have to check again > for overall sound and see. It's been a long time since I tried them both > on the same > day. You've got me worried now since I suddenly can't find either one. > But they must be here somewhere. They can't float away! > BTW how would you rate the MC50s. I'm currently running a pair coupled > to > a set of Optimus (Yeah I know, crap) Pro LX 5 Linaleum or something > speakers > and an Optimus subwoofer. Originally I had used them as part of my home > theatre setup with a Nad 917 and a pair of 2100s. But the Nad crapped > out > and almost killed both surrounds, then the rabbits chewed through the > surround > cables so I said fuck it. Home theatre is way too much trouble > particularly > since I hate 99% of all the movies I see. > See Ya > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Javier, > > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell > > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > > > The old 2600s huh. > > > My newest mac amp is a 2125 > > > BTW: > > > I keep mentioning that there's a McIntosh list on topica.com > > > in case anybody wants to join but there are few takers > > > There are about 30 subscribers but very quiet ones! > > > If anybody wants in just drop me an e-mail and I'll add them > > > to it. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > Dang Javier, > > > > > > > > I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I > > > > think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the > > > > engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have > > > > amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like > > > > you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with > > > > whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a > > > > beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! > > > > > > > > Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( > > > > I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" > > > > attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is > > > > a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > > > > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > > > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > > > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > > > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > > > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > > > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering > > > > > resources > > > > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with > > > > > a > > > > > deficit > > > > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > > > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > > > > > > > > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > > > > > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > > > > > > > > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the > > > > > preamp > > > > > section of the units! > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and > > > > > although > > > > > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of > > > > > many, to > > > > > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, > > > > > like > > > > > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff > > > > > is > > > > > > remarkable. > > > > > > > > > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business > > > > > and > > > > > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound > > > > > great, > > > > > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more > > > > > than > > > > > > paid for! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well > > > > > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > > > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > > > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > > > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they > > > > > continue > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? > > > > > I > > > > > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of > > > > > the > > > > > > > amp to > > > > > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation > > > > > sure > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. > > > > > Hey, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > > ====== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 07:29:24 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 01:29:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <79.1ee655d2.2937140b@aol.com> <3C05E813.CC23D268@earthlink.net> <3C0655F5.3F2BF87E@yahoo.com> <3C0B0341.BB512EC3@pacbell.net> <3C0B25C0.F232DE5E@yahoo.com> <3C0C1F92.144D1242@pacbell.net> <3C0C52F3.45FAF567@yahoo.com> <14cc01c17c83$d7a59e80$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0C6D44.CC0144@yahoo.com> Well Steve I've got them both somewhere in the house but can't find either one. It's been a long time since I heard my 2105 but the 2100s should sound the same. And yes they do sound great but I would say the 2125 has a little more detail than the first generation. I'll have to check again for overall sound and see. It's been a long time since I tried them both on the same day. You've got me worried now since I suddenly can't find either one. But they must be here somewhere. They can't float away! BTW how would you rate the MC50s. I'm currently running a pair coupled to a set of Optimus (Yeah I know, crap) Pro LX 5 Linaleum or something speakers and an Optimus subwoofer. Originally I had used them as part of my home theatre setup with a Nad 917 and a pair of 2100s. But the Nad crapped out and almost killed both surrounds, then the rabbits chewed through the surround cables so I said fuck it. Home theatre is way too much trouble particularly since I hate 99% of all the movies I see. See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Javier, > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could sell > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > The old 2600s huh. > > My newest mac amp is a 2125 > > BTW: > > I keep mentioning that there's a McIntosh list on topica.com > > in case anybody wants to join but there are few takers > > There are about 30 subscribers but very quiet ones! > > If anybody wants in just drop me an e-mail and I'll add them > > to it. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Dang Javier, > > > > > > I forgot about all those great little pots on the top of my c-28. I > > > think the c-32 has them also along with the potent little amp the > > > engineers plunked into it! Of course, preamps aren't supposed to have > > > amps but neither are they supposed to have all those extra pots. Like > > > you said, they are supposed to exist in beautiful cases with > > > whoknowswhat inside. But a mac is in a beautiful case behind a > > > beautiful hunk of reverse painted glass and we do know what's inside! > > > > > > Bytheway, TAS just gave a very nice review of the big new 600wpc amp ( > > > I have the old mc2600's) I was impressed with some of the "fluffy" > > > attributes the reviewer gave it, but am not too sure that McIntosh is > > > a product generally used by doctors/lawyers. > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > Why Thankyou Brian > > > > > > > > I always found it interesting to note that while high end circles > > > > may not embrace mcIntosh, they usually refrain from conducting a > > > > full scale assault on the company. The reason IMHO is simple: > > > > The high end "gurus" who get thousands for a switch box in a nice > > > > aluminum case from their faithful are afraid to take on rock solid > > > > engineering! The company always had extraordinary engineering > > > > resources > > > > as well as innovative talent. While a great company can get by with > > > > a > > > > deficit > > > > on innovation there is no substitute for engineering! The gurus > > > > know that so they prefer to keep their mouths shut when Macs are > > > > mentioned. > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > PS > > > > Hey guys here's a Mac trivia question > > > > > > > > How did Mac manage to keep many of their older and mid generation > > > > preamps and integrateds dead quiet a zero volume? > > > > > > > > Simple! They added extra volume pots to the output side of the > > > > preamp > > > > section of the units! > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well said, Javier. Mac has been around for a long time and > > > > although > > > > > Clarion bought the company, they continue, to the surprise of > > > > many, to > > > > > produce good products. Most Mac enthusiasts, myself included, > > > > like > > > > > the older stuff better, however I am told that very new Mac stuff > > > > is > > > > > remarkable. > > > > > > > > > > When xyztrebblecleffblahblah company has long gone out of business > > > > and > > > > > their values are about 1/10th of retail, Mac's will still sound > > > > great, > > > > > probably will never have required service, and may be worth more > > > > than > > > > > paid for! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well > > > > > > The output stage on most Macs can handle 4 ohms or lower > > > > > > You could always tap into it! Or you could get their > > > > > > SS OTLs 7something. But please, don't knock the Mac sound > > > > > > unless your prepared to AB. > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of recent McIntosh designs, why on earth do they > > > > continue > > > > > > to > > > > > > > use autoformers on the output of their solid state amplifiers? > > > > I > > > > > > > understand technically that they want the output section of > > > > the > > > > > > amp to > > > > > > > see a constant load, no matter what speaker is connected, but > > > > > > those > > > > > > > yards of extra wire in the transformer and core saturation > > > > sure > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > to make the amps sound slow and rolled off in the highs. > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > they > > > > > > > wish to continue to offer "the McIntosh sound." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2001 2:03:55 PM Central Standard > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << You McIntosh fans may like this .... >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Mac fans liked that, you'll really like this one. > > > > Hey, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even like > > > > > > > > this one! (smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1301094884 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Dec 4 07:30:22 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:30:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers In-Reply-To: <3C0C3807.5F6EFDC0@snet.net> Message-ID: Hello, I would like to highly recommend Novus plastic polishes, info available at www.novuspolish.com. Novus #3 is for severe scratches, otherwise use #2 then #1. #3 requires using #2 for final finishing. I've used the various abrasiveness levels to polish out all kinds of scratches, and have had great success. Most significant to this group, i used it to restore the plastic case (everything except the big metal faceplate) of my Nakamich 600 tape deck; the plastic was scratched and had some kind of surface decay, and took some work to clean up, but now it's all black, smooth and shiny again. I've also used it with great results on my old Technics turntable's dust cover, the plastic faceplate of my Sansui 4000 receiver, many many pinball machine parts when helping a friend restore a machine, the taillights and other plastic parts on my Volvo, and to restore the display on the cellphone that a friend gave me because the plastic had gotten so scratched that it was hard to read the display. It's available cheaper than anywhere else at the following link: http://pinballresource.virtualave.net/catalog5.htm Pinball people use *lots* of this stuff, and pinball parts get dirty and scratched very easily, so pinballresource is able to offer the stuff cheap. Oh yeah...restoring pinball machines is tedious but lots of fun when the machine is playable... joel On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Ed Noyes wrote: > Well, I gave it a shot and have to say that while there was an improvement for minor > scratches, it was a lot of effort for a pretty nominal return... perhaps the silver > polish is best for a final buffing. > > Ed > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/2/2001 9:29:34 PM Central Standard Time, > > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > > > << I'm going to give it a shot with some Wrights silver polish on an AR XA > > cover that is > > so poor that it wouldn't matter if the stuff tore a hole on it. I'll post on > > the > > success or failure when I'm done. > > > > Ed >> > > > > Thanks Ed. I wonder if that old stuff we used in the military would work? > > Brasso polish? Any thoughts? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 07:32:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:32:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <32.1efd2ba5.293dc80a@aol.com> Here's another MC-2300 for sale. I also see these quite often on eBay. Leads you to believe their not that great or are severely out dated. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305175831 -Sam, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 07:57:22 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:57:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <32.1efd2ba5.293dc80a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0C73D2.B710496@earthlink.net> Or that they are as heavy as a boat anchor and cost a boat load to ship! hehehe Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Here's another MC-2300 for sale. I also see these quite often on eBay. > Leads you to believe their not that great or are severely out dated. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305175831 > > -Sam, > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 08:13:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:13:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <32.1efd2ba5.293dc80a@aol.com> Message-ID: <154e01c17c93$1cae3460$403442cf@sank1> No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > Here's another MC-2300 for sale. I also see these quite often on eBay. > Leads you to believe their not that great or are severely out dated. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305175831 > > -Sam, > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 08:13:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:13:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 08:20:18 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 02:20:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <32.1efd2ba5.293dc80a@aol.com> <3C0C73D2.B710496@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0C7932.775115E7@yahoo.com> I've heard that too Never heard one myself but it may be in part that in the crazy world of hifi, some purists associate high powered amps with poor sonic performance while a 10 watt single ended calamity with 20% THD represents sonic excellence. Gee I was waiting months to say that! Javier > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Here's another MC-2300 for sale. I also see these quite often on > > eBay. > > Leads you to believe their not that great or are severely out dated. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305175831 > > > > -Sam, > > ===== > > ==------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 4 08:38:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:38:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> Message-ID: <159601c17c96$a51a7e00$403442cf@sank1> I'd put the MC2300 on bricks, myself. I only believe in fancy isolation feet/stands/etc. with tube equipment, turntables & CD transports. With a few exceptions, where I have found things like the DH Cones ceramic feet to make a nice difference under tubeless DAC units & other unexpected ss things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 08:38:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:38:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <102.d10fbaf.293dd77e@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I'd put the MC2300 on bricks, myself. I only believe in fancy isolation feet/stands/etc. with tube equipment, turntables & CD transports. With a few exceptions, where I have found things like the DH Cones ceramic feet to make a nice difference under tubeless DAC units & other unexpected ss things. >> OK, but how do you get the brick past the wife. Can't imagine getting away with one of those in the living room. (LOL) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 08:46:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:46:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0C7F3B.AF334078@earthlink.net> Uh oh.... I can hear another snake oil debate brewing... LOL Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 4 08:44:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:14:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <005701c17c97$765878a0$42d60192@vsnl> What I think of mcIntosh is about their anti theft mechanism. The burgler needs a crane to steal it! Agood idea others like Krell/ Mark levinson can take it up. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... >Uh oh.... > >I can hear another snake oil debate brewing... > >LOL > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, >> bk11 at thuntek.net writes: >> >> << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many >> people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd >> love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). >> Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> >> >> Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" >> amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much >> difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a >> heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. >> >> -Sam >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Tue Dec 4 12:50:49 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:50:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? A Good guide to scsi - link In-Reply-To: <00d701c17c74$896c20e0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20011204064548.00a26b90@pop3.norton.antivirus> Joe, I'm thinking of setting up a scsi rig and have found this guide to give good basic to intermediate info. http://scsi.radified.com/scsi_08.htm Stan >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 14:24:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:24:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] cables again In-Reply-To: <000901c17c67$39c6f360$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <005b01c17cc7$07579140$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Nice one, Ole I've quite pleased with the cables I recent made out of 30 gauge copper "bell" wire. I prefer them untwisted. They are, however, not shielded. However - and this is where it will appeal to you - I managed to buy a load of the wire at a junk sale for a mere £1 for the lot; so, the biggest cost has been in getting Radio Shack, or similar, gold-plated RCA's to fit 'em. My local engineer reckons I waste my money on the gold-plated RCA's, that the cheapest you can buy will work just as well so long as the connecting male shaft of the plugs are clean and fit nice and tight in the socket. I'd guess one or two of the guys on the Naklist would agree ... and I'd bet quite a few others won't!!! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 04 December 2001 01:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cables again About cables. I don't want to spend money on expensive cables but I'm attracted to the diy-cables you find on the Net. Even if I know from my own experience that nothing can be more biased than listening to something you made yourself - at least for a while! Have a look at these diy cablelinks - I haven't tried them but one of these days......... http://wwwhttp://www.brennwald.matthias.com/.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2.ht ml Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 14:24:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:24:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: A-B Tests. In-Reply-To: <143201c17c68$c32e02a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005901c17cc7$0570cfe0$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> LOL! I'll bet those two had a few arguments over the years!! (Me, I tend to believe my ears altho' I do know for sure a hypnotist who can make me really hear, feel, touch and taste anything she wants me to... that undermines my trust in all my senses!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 04 December 2001 02:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: A-B Tests. Interestingly enough, another old RCA engineer, who was heavily into output transformer designs, among other things, and who, at over 80, is certainly an "old school engineer", is one of the biggest "cable difference enthusiasts" I've ever known. He was very much into MIT speaker cables last I spoke with him. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 14:24:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:24:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005a01c17cc7$066c9500$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Superb Joel! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Joel Herda Sent: 04 December 2001 06:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Polishing Dustcovers Hello, I would like to highly recommend Novus plastic polishes, info available at www.novuspolish.com. Novus #3 is for severe scratches, otherwise use #2 then #1. #3 requires using #2 for final finishing. I've used the various abrasiveness levels to polish out all kinds of scratches, and have had great success. Most significant to this group, i used it to restore the plastic case (everything except the big metal faceplate) of my Nakamich 600 tape deck; the plastic was scratched and had some kind of surface decay, and took some work to clean up, but now it's all black, smooth and shiny again. I've also used it with great results on my old Technics turntable's dust cover, the plastic faceplate of my Sansui 4000 receiver, many many pinball machine parts when helping a friend restore a machine, the taillights and other plastic parts on my Volvo, and to restore the display on the cellphone that a friend gave me because the plastic had gotten so scratched that it was hard to read the display. It's available cheaper than anywhere else at the following link: http://pinballresource.virtualave.net/catalog5.htm Pinball people use *lots* of this stuff, and pinball parts get dirty and scratched very easily, so pinballresource is able to offer the stuff cheap. Oh yeah...restoring pinball machines is tedious but lots of fun when the machine is playable... joel ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 4 14:42:55 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:42:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> Message-ID: <006701c17cc9$941af570$43756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Let em' breath Sam, let em' breath! Jim has a good point in that Amp. would cost a bundle to ship. Same way with big reel to reel machines. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 4 15:12:19 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:12:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? A Good guide to scsi - link References: <4.2.2.20011204064548.00a26b90@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <00a801c17ccd$af9e6da0$43756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Also http://www.scsi.com/Consumers.htm John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? A Good guide to scsi - link > Joe, > > I'm thinking of setting up a scsi rig and have found this guide to give > good basic to intermediate info. > http://scsi.radified.com/scsi_08.htm > > > > Stan > > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 15:13:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:13:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... In-Reply-To: <102.d10fbaf.293dd77e@aol.com> Message-ID: <006d01c17ccd$ead8c820$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Sam! I have the solution for you ... got away with this one, myself ... I needed some concrete to put my speakers stand on to and I got away with a pair of very fancy looking octagonal decorative paving slabs! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 04 December 2001 07:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I'd put the MC2300 on bricks, myself. I only believe in fancy isolation feet/stands/etc. with tube equipment, turntables & CD transports. With a few exceptions, where I have found things like the DH Cones ceramic feet to make a nice difference under tubeless DAC units & other unexpected ss things. >> OK, but how do you get the brick past the wife. Can't imagine getting away with one of those in the living room. (LOL) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Police will just need to look for the rogue with a bad back and a truss for the double hernia .. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 04 December 2001 07:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... What I think of mcIntosh is about their anti theft mechanism. The burgler needs a crane to steal it! Agood idea others like Krell/ Mark levinson can take it up. Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 19:43:12 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:43:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> <006701c17cc9$941af570$43756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C0D1940.9434CA13@yahoo.com> Yes Those things are palletized and usually drop shipped. Not only is it expensive but they are likely to find themselves sitting next to other palletized items such as engine blocks. They are handled more carefully than UPS ground items though and are less likely to suffer from stacking damage. Expect to pay around 100 for shipping. Find out if the guy has the original box. If not Buy one from McIntosh and ship it to him. See Ya Javier "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Let em' breath Sam, let em' breath! > > Jim has a good point in that Amp. would cost a bundle to ship. Same way with > big reel to reel machines. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > many > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > "audiophile" > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > much > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen > a > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > stand. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 19:47:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:47:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <14d.503850d.293b0c49@aol.com> <3C0B11D8.816DC6FE@snet.net> <3C0C1783.A6E8C4F@pacbell.net> <3C0C3B11.BAB53CB4@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C0D1A41.62AABD3F@yahoo.com> Speaking of Sansui A friend of mine who is heavily into this audio culture tells me that Sansui made one of the best tuners in history and it rivalled the MR78. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 4 19:53:19 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:53:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> <006701c17cc9$941af570$43756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C0D1940.9434CA13@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019701c17cf4$f1044d60$43756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Good advice, forget about using Styrofoam peanuts with this quality of equipment. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > Yes > Those things are palletized > and usually drop shipped. Not only > is it expensive but they are likely > to find themselves sitting next to other > palletized items such as engine blocks. > They are handled more carefully than > UPS ground items though and are less likely > to suffer from stacking damage. > Expect to pay around 100 for shipping. > Find out if the guy has the original box. > If not Buy one from McIntosh and ship it to him. > > See Ya > Javier > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > Let em' breath Sam, let em' breath! > > > > Jim has a good point in that Amp. would cost a bundle to ship. Same way with > > big reel to reel machines. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > > many > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > > much > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen > > a > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > > stand. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 20:25:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:25:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <89.fde4185.293e7d26@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:08:51 AM Central Standard Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Agood idea others like Krell/ Mark levinson can take it up >> I understand the Levinson gear is also very heavy. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 4 20:29:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems > like such great sources of information that I have > feeling one of you can help me with this . . . > > I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first > time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro > is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even > save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to > believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently > moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an > interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to > USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling > me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by > causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my > problem. > > If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give > you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've > described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to > fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to > nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it > for me). > > Any help greatly apprecaited. > > Thanks, > Joe > I'll second Kannan's reply, that the problem is probably with an IRQ conflict. Some bus mastering SCSI adapter cards dislike sharing IRQs with anything, let alone, a modem. Consult your card manual. (If it's an Adaptec x9160, then this is definitely true). As you know, if you invoke Start/Programs/Accessories/SystemTools/SystemInformation, and look at HardwareResources/Conflicts&Sharing, you get a complete picture of the issue. Another source of information is the Start/Settings/ControlPanel/System/DeviceManager screen. Selecting SCSI Controllers, then the controller itself and clicking on the Properties button will tell you whether Windows thinks the adapter is working fine (far from conclusive, but an indication). If you do have a problem, one way to solve is to move the SCSI adapter back to another slot. Upon reboot, Windows will reinstall the driver. You could also try to remove (physically from the mother board) the conflicting devices, reboot (Windows will then deinstall the drivers and free the IRQ) and shut down. Now, reinstall the cards and the drivers. This may (or may not) solve the problem, but is worth a try if else has failed. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 20:32:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:32:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: <14f.5276799.293e7ee8@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 7:44:32 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Let em' breath Sam, let em' breath! Jim has a good point in that Amp. would cost a bundle to ship. Same way with big reel to reel machines. John >> LOL - -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 20:34:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:34:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2001 8:20:57 AM Central Standard Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Sam! I have the solution for you ... got away with this one, myself ... I needed some concrete to put my speakers stand on to and I got away with a pair of very fancy looking octagonal decorative paving slabs! Graham >> LOL -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 4 20:39:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:39:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> <3C0C7F3B.AF334078@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0D2654.FDCFEF0D@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Uh oh.... > > I can hear another snake oil debate brewing... I didn't think it was worth the trouble... Besides, I do believe in isolating TTs and tube equipment (as does anyone that has used such equipment without isolation). -- Ron > > LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 4 20:46:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:46:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cables again References: <005b01c17cc7$07579140$9f9287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0D2800.1563E8D7@concentric.net> > [....] > My local engineer reckons I waste my money on the gold-plated > RCA's, that the cheapest you can buy will work just as well > so long as the connecting male shaft of the plugs are clean > and fit nice and tight in the >socket. I'd guess one or two > of the guys on the Naklist would agree ... > and I'd bet quite a few others won't!!! ;o) The gold plating prevents tarnishing and oxidation for the life of the equipment and looks neat and clean. In addition, they are generally made of heavier metal and have a nicer feel. Personally, I'd pay the small difference for these qualities. Since nickel plated connectors are just as good, I use those, as well. -- Ron Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 04 December 2001 01:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cables again About cables. I don't want to spend money on expensive cables but I'm attracted to the diy-cables you find on the Net. Even if I know from my own experience that nothing can be more biased than listening to something you made yourself - at least for a while! Have a look at these diy cablelinks - I haven't tried them but one of these days......... http://wwwhttp://www.brennwald.matthias.com/.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2.html Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 4 21:31:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:31:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <3C0D1940.9434CA13@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c17d02$b58b5ae0$feaf87d9@a4s1s2> Anyone interested in a ZX-9 - this looks reasonably priced. If you ask nicely, he may ship abroad, too! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1302618544 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Dec 4 21:53:09 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:53:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap In-Reply-To: <3C0D1A41.62AABD3F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Javier Perez wrote: > Speaking of Sansui > A friend of mine who is heavily into this > audio culture tells me that Sansui made one > of the best tuners in history and it rivalled > the MR78. The two top Sansui tuners are the TU-9900 and TU-X1. TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy person paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about $600 or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Mon Dec 3 21:57:34 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:57:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001601c17c3d$22ff71e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> hello Ron, I would advice you to go into the bios and disable the serial ports. The most people don't use them because of usb devices and then you have one or two interupts free for your scsi card. The combination scsi - modem card is very bad because of not so sophisticated drivers. Some motherboards has shared irq depending of the slot you are using. Look into your manual to place the scsi card into a non (irq)shared slot. You can also in your bios give your card (read slot) an irq number (depending of the slot you using for the scsi card) and that is a better solution then let windows control your irq. A good irq for your video card = irq 9. Scsi card irq 10 and your audio card irq 5. Greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems > > like such great sources of information that I have > > feeling one of you can help me with this . . . > > > > I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first > > time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro > > is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even > > save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to > > believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently > > moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an > > interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to > > USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling > > me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by > > causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my > > problem. > > > > If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give > > you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've > > described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to > > fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to > > nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it > > for me). > > > > Any help greatly apprecaited. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > I'll second Kannan's reply, that the problem is probably > with an IRQ conflict. Some bus mastering SCSI adapter cards > dislike sharing IRQs with anything, let alone, a modem. > Consult your card manual. (If it's an Adaptec x9160, then > this is definitely true). > > As you know, if you invoke > Start/Programs/Accessories/SystemTools/SystemInformation, > and look at HardwareResources/Conflicts&Sharing, you get a > complete picture of the issue. > > Another source of information is the > Start/Settings/ControlPanel/System/DeviceManager screen. > Selecting SCSI Controllers, then the controller itself > and clicking on the Properties button will tell you whether > Windows thinks the adapter is working fine (far from > conclusive, but an indication). > > If you do have a problem, one way to solve is to move the > SCSI adapter back to another slot. Upon reboot, Windows > will reinstall the driver. > > You could also try to remove (physically from the mother > board) the conflicting devices, reboot (Windows will then > deinstall the drivers and free the IRQ) and shut down. > Now, reinstall the cards and the drivers. This may (or may > not) solve the problem, but is worth a try if else has > failed. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 22:00:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:00:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap Message-ID: <92.1e4b7d22.293e9355@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, joelll at genericdomain.net writes: << The two top Sansui tuners are the TU-9900 and TU-X1. TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy person paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about $600 or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. joel >> Check out the Vintage Tuner Page for more information on these and other fine tuners. I find the TU-9900 very attractive with those green lights, and it's a top performer to. (smile) -Sam http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Dec 4 22:00:12 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:00:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... In-Reply-To: <102.d10fbaf.293dd77e@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > OK, but how do you get the brick past the wife. Can't imagine getting away > with one of those in the living room. (LOL) You could go to your local reseller of stone and pick up a flat piece of slate, or granite, or whatever they have in stock cheap that's the right size and thickness for what you want to set your equipment on. At least it's a little more decorative... :) joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 22:07:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:07:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 Message-ID: <146.5bb86a6.293e951a@aol.com> Here's a few pics of the insides of the TU-X1: http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tu-x1.htm I'm sure some of the high prices these have fetched on eBay are due to the rare availability. They're great performers, but they are hard to find. It's basically two separate tuners housed in one box. Isn't the new McIntosh (not to open that can of worms again) tuner two separate tuners in the same box as well? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 22:10:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:10:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... Message-ID: <6f.1ec5a037.293e95b5@aol.com> Hey Stephen, What's your thoughts on the suggested mod to a TU-9900 listed below? Do you agree or do you have a few "special" mods you like to make to these models? -Sam Sansui TU-9900 (1974, $570, photo) - Has 5 gangs and 3 IF filters, two of which have 4 stages rather than a typical ceramic filter’s 2 stages, so it’s like 5 filters if we count them in the traditional fashion. The TU-9900 is built like a tank and was one of Don Scott's “reference” tuners in his Stereophile days. Our other panel members who have used it also rate it highly, and it is very sensitive and selective in stock form. Because the filters are encased in metal and plastic enclosures, no one should buy one expecting to replace the filters, but Don recently emailed us with a suggestion for adventurous and skilled readers: “Rather than trying to modify the existing IF filters, add a three-pin socket/filter directly in series with the 10.7 mHz coaxial lead at the point where it leaves the RF tuning unit. Be sure the ground lead and the in and out leads are very short. This added filter will give a big boost in selectivity in both wide and narrow without a lot of fuss.” Most TU-9900s sold on eBay in 2001 went for between $350 and $450, but a couple sold for as low as $280-300 and one for $500, all in 9/01! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 22:43:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:43:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: Message-ID: <3C0D438E.BE25A0A5@earthlink.net> >From what I understand, granite is much more inert than marble, stone, slate, cement, etc. Jim Volpatti Joel Herda wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > OK, but how do you get the brick past the wife. Can't imagine getting away > > with one of those in the living room. (LOL) > > You could go to your local reseller of stone and pick up a flat piece of > slate, or granite, or whatever they have in stock cheap that's the right > size and thickness for what you want to set your equipment on. At least > it's a little more decorative... > > :) > > joel > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 4 22:47:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:47:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 References: <146.5bb86a6.293e951a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0D4473.854531C0@earthlink.net> Two tuners or the ability to connect two antennas and have the tuner choose the one that yields best performance at any given moment (diversity tuning)? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Here's a few pics of the insides of the TU-X1: > > http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tu-x1.htm > > I'm sure some of the high prices these have fetched on eBay are due to the > rare availability. They're great performers, but they are hard to find. > It's basically two separate tuners housed in one box. Isn't the new McIntosh > (not to open that can of worms again) tuner two separate tuners in the same > box as well? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Dec 4 23:51:28 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:51:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (replying to myself with a correction...) On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Joel Herda wrote: > TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy person > paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about $600 > or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. Apparently $300-450 is the correct auction result price range... joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 00:01:38 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:01:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> I think you should get the SCSI working first and on the right slot. I'm not sure what hardware you're using but not all slots are bus mastering slots and SCSI cards usually prefer those at least if they're primary. I believe the first and second PCI slots usually are, or is it the last and second to last? Don't remember for sure. Also If you are using a modern BIOS it may give you the option of assigning IRQs other than the default PNP settings. You can play around with this later but get the SCSI working first at default settings if possible and then add and config the rest of the cards one by one until everything works. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 00:18:04 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:18:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> Hi guys, I've found that the typical PC starts to become buggy after about two years. My current PC is almost three years old and I can hardly stand it anymore. I need to either take a sledge hammer to it or attempt a complete reinstall of Windows. I say attempt because although I purchased my first computer six years ago, an IT professional I am NOT. Does anyone know where I might be able to find an online guide for beginners that will walk me through the reinstall process? With all the problems I've had with the two computers I've owned, I'm reluctant to have a go at this but I figure I have nothing to lose. If unsuccessful, I'll just scrap the PC I now own and buy a new one. Any words of wisdom? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 5 01:10:43 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:10:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <4f.152b4662.29388b33@aol.com> <0ee501c17972$2c96d680$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0D65EF.E3BF0029@pacbell.net> I have a big old sansui int amp model # au-999. It'a a fixerupper and I have not attempted to fire it up yet. Anybody familiar with this model? It definitely falls into the category of big 70's-80's mega components. Thanks Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite > competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. > And, yes, after the 9900Z series(I owned a 3900Z in '82 or so, and have a > 5900Z on a shelf to be fixed now that I own), Sansui went downhill fast. > The Z9000 series was barely good, and the next series was firmly bad. And > it just got worse. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > > > In a message dated 11/30/2001 12:40:29 AM Central Standard Time, > > joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > > > > << The 4000s and 5000s, the Six, Seven and Eight, the 7070 and 8080 > series, > > the smaller G-series receivers, all of them sell for very reasonable > > money. > > > > Take a look on ebay, Sansui used to make a complete line of quality audio > > components. I think it's a measure of a poor business decision to > cheapen > > their product even more than their competition did that they're pretty > > much gone from the North American market. > > > > > > joel >> > > > > Hi Joel, > > > > I enjoyed reading your comments as I too enjoyed the sound of those old > > receivers as a child. I'm curious and I would like to pose this question > to > > you and to Stephen as well. Could a well conditioned, and even Stephen > Sank > > modified Sansui G-22000 compete with the new separates of today in the > same > > power range? (e.g. McIntosh, Levison, Electrocompaniet, Classe, Bryston, > > etc.)? Or, would it be more similar to the sound of a Nak 700II versus a > > Dragon? ( e.g. a different kind of excellence)? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 02:14:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:14:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <3C0D438E.BE25A0A5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <16ba01c17d2a$2077b8e0$403442cf@sank1> I use granite slabs under my speakers, amp & cd transport, as it is the best for "deadness". With the weight of the MC2300, though, and it being a ss amp, I really don't think the expense of a suitable granite slab would make a bit of difference vs a few bricks. More accurately, I have my speakers on granite slabs which are then on 3 big cone feet, for solid floor coupling. This arrangement makes a surprising difference in the bass. Even when I've done it in dealer showrooms with concrete floors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > >From what I understand, granite is much more inert than marble, stone, slate, cement, > etc. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Joel Herda wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > OK, but how do you get the brick past the wife. Can't imagine getting away > > > with one of those in the living room. (LOL) > > > > You could go to your local reseller of stone and pick up a flat piece of > > slate, or granite, or whatever they have in stock cheap that's the right > > size and thickness for what you want to set your equipment on. At least > > it's a little more decorative... > > > > :) > > > > joel > > > > -- > > Joel Herda > > joelll at genericdomain.net > > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 02:18:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:18:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 References: <146.5bb86a6.293e951a@aol.com> <3C0D4473.854531C0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <16be01c17d2a$c734a8a0$403442cf@sank1> The TU-X1 simply has separate AM & FM tuning gang capacitors, like an old pre-mpx "stereo" tuner(where one channel was on FM & the other was on AM). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 > Two tuners or the ability to connect two antennas and have the tuner choose the one > that yields best performance at any given moment (diversity tuning)? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Here's a few pics of the insides of the TU-X1: > > > > http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tu-x1.htm > > > > I'm sure some of the high prices these have fetched on eBay are due to the > > rare availability. They're great performers, but they are hard to find. > > It's basically two separate tuners housed in one box. Isn't the new McIntosh > > (not to open that can of worms again) tuner two separate tuners in the same > > box as well? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 02:23:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:23:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <16c801c17d2b$62c61920$403442cf@sank1> The only way you're going to get your computer to be as "un-buggy" as it used to be is to completely wipe Windows from the system & do a "from scratch" install. This means that you'll then have to do a reinstall of all the programs you're using(which need not be erased to start with). If you do a re-install on top of the existing Windows, it will retain all of the stray DLL's & other nonsense that is making things buggy in the first place. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > Hi guys, > > I've found that the typical PC starts to become buggy after about two years. My current > PC is almost three years old and I can hardly stand it anymore. I need to either take a > sledge hammer to it or attempt a complete reinstall of Windows. > > I say attempt because although I purchased my first computer six years ago, an IT > professional I am NOT. Does anyone know where I might be able to find an online guide > for beginners that will walk me through the reinstall process? With all the problems > I've had with the two computers I've owned, I'm reluctant to have a go at this but I > figure I have nothing to lose. If unsuccessful, I'll just scrap the PC I now own and > buy a new one. > > Any words of wisdom? > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 02:27:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:27:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver References: <4f.152b4662.29388b33@aol.com> <0ee501c17972$2c96d680$403442cf@sank1> <3C0D65EF.E3BF0029@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <16d401c17d2b$f4f2c0a0$403442cf@sank1> The AU999 was reasonably decent. The AU9900 was a good bit better. The AU's that I really like are the AU-D11 & AU equivalent of the G-22000, which I think was the AU-20000. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > I have a big old sansui int amp model # au-999. It'a a fixerupper and I have not > attempted to fire it up yet. Anybody familiar with this model? It definitely falls > into the category of big 70's-80's mega components. > > Thanks > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Yes, I believe that I could upgrade a G-22000, or even a G-9000 to be quite > > competitive with some of the best stuff out there today. > > And, yes, after the 9900Z series(I owned a 3900Z in '82 or so, and have a > > 5900Z on a shelf to be fixed now that I own), Sansui went downhill fast. > > The Z9000 series was barely good, and the next series was firmly bad. And > > it just got worse. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pioneer receiver > > > > > In a message dated 11/30/2001 12:40:29 AM Central Standard Time, > > > joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > > > > > > << The 4000s and 5000s, the Six, Seven and Eight, the 7070 and 8080 > > series, > > > the smaller G-series receivers, all of them sell for very reasonable > > > money. > > > > > > Take a look on ebay, Sansui used to make a complete line of quality audio > > > components. I think it's a measure of a poor business decision to > > cheapen > > > their product even more than their competition did that they're pretty > > > much gone from the North American market. > > > > > > > > > joel >> > > > > > > Hi Joel, > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your comments as I too enjoyed the sound of those old > > > receivers as a child. I'm curious and I would like to pose this question > > to > > > you and to Stephen as well. Could a well conditioned, and even Stephen > > Sank > > > modified Sansui G-22000 compete with the new separates of today in the > > same > > > power range? (e.g. McIntosh, Levison, Electrocompaniet, Classe, Bryston, > > > etc.)? Or, would it be more similar to the sound of a Nak 700II versus a > > > Dragon? ( e.g. a different kind of excellence)? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 02:29:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:29:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... References: <6f.1ec5a037.293e95b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <16dc01c17d2c$392d7d00$403442cf@sank1> The TU-X1 & 9900 are nice tuners, and can certainly be made to sound better, but I think an MR78/MR80 are much better among ss tuners. And, of course, nothing beats the Mac & Marantz tube tuners for sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... > Hey Stephen, > > What's your thoughts on the suggested mod to a TU-9900 listed below? Do you > agree or do you have a few "special" mods you like to make to these models? > > -Sam > > Sansui TU-9900 (1974, $570, photo) - Has 5 gangs and 3 IF filters, two of > which have 4 stages rather than a typical ceramic filter's 2 stages, so it 's > like 5 filters if we count them in the traditional fashion. The TU-9900 is > built like a tank and was one of Don Scott's "reference" tuners in his > Stereophile days. Our other panel members who have used it also rate it > highly, and it is very sensitive and selective in stock form. Because the > filters are encased in metal and plastic enclosures, no one should buy one > expecting to replace the filters, but Don recently emailed us with a > suggestion for adventurous and skilled readers: "Rather than trying to modify > the existing IF filters, add a three-pin socket/filter directly in series > with the 10.7 mHz coaxial lead at the point where it leaves the RF tuning > unit. Be sure the ground lead and the in and out leads are very short. This > added filter will give a big boost in selectivity in both wide and narrow > without a lot of fuss." Most TU-9900s sold on eBay in 2001 went for between > $350 and $450, but a couple sold for as low as $280-300 and one for $500, all > in 9/01! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Dec 5 02:40:55 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:40:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <16c801c17d2b$62c61920$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <015501c17d2d$e1dde2e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Jim, Most smaller computer stores will clean your hard drive and reinstall Windows (providing you have the disk and key code) for about $30.00. It takes only a few minutes before the Windows disk starts loading. You can reinstall your own drivers later which is not at all hard. It is also a good time to think about upgrading your Operating System. I would recommend Windows 2000 Professional, as it is the most stable and well supported of the Operating Systems out there. Stay away from XP for the moment, a lot of drivers may not be available for your older hardware. If you find you could use more Hard Drive space, this may also be a good time to upgrade that. The only advantage of reinstalling your present OS onto your computer is if somehow you may have some corrupted files. Otherwise, a clean install is like taping onto virgin tape on your fav Nakamichi Deck! <-----(The Nak connection) Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 02:45:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:45:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I've found that the typical PC starts to become buggy after about two years. My current > PC is almost three years old and I can hardly stand it anymore. I need to either take a > sledge hammer to it or attempt a complete reinstall of Windows. > > I say attempt because although I purchased my first computer six years ago, an IT > professional I am NOT. Does anyone know where I might be able to find an online guide > for beginners that will walk me through the reinstall process? With all the problems > I've had with the two computers I've owned, I'm reluctant to have a go at this but I > figure I have nothing to lose. If unsuccessful, I'll just scrap the PC I now own and > buy a new one. > > Any words of wisdom? > > Jim Volpatti > Jim, Depending on what you have installed on the machine since new, you may find that starting with a clean slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed application that you are still using. Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation may save a lot of time later on. I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. This computer flies... Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide the space required for video editing. You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 03:09:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:09:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <16c801c17d2b$62c61920$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0D81CC.DBB7506A@earthlink.net> That's exactly what I would like to do, Stephen: clean my entire hard drive. Any words of wisdom? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > The only way you're going to get your computer to be as "un-buggy" as it > used to be is to completely wipe Windows from the system & do a "from > scratch" install. This means that you'll then have to do a reinstall of all > the programs you're using(which need not be erased to start with). If you > do a re-install on top of the existing Windows, it will retain all of the > stray DLL's & other nonsense that is making things buggy in the first place. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Dec 5 03:13:31 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap Message-ID: <3D3A628E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Do all tuners in the U.S. tune onto odd frequencies like the current Nak MB100 that I imported into England- because i am intested in purchasing a classic tuner from U.S. Fred. >===== Original Message From SBarr12393 at aol.com ===== >In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, >joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > ><< The two top Sansui tuners are the TU-9900 and TU-X1. > > TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy person > paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about $600 > or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. > > > joel >> > >Check out the Vintage Tuner Page for more information on these and other fine >tuners. I find the TU-9900 very attractive with those green lights, and it's >a top performer to. (smile) > >-Sam > >http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 03:26:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:26:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in mind. The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting my hard drive (what exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I can ask you guys for help should I need any. BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 floppy. As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except for the free web applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other documents, what else should I back up? Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim, > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > application that you are still using. > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > may save a lot of time later on. > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > This computer flies... > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > the space required for video editing. > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 5 03:59:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:59:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <14a.51eb19f.293dbc8d@aol.com> <14e201c17c89$788488c0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0D8D77.462C9C7C@pacbell.net> So MC 1000 is a good sounding amp, eh? Whatabout the mc1200 or is it MC1201? same sound, just more of it? Thanx, Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Yes, there is almost always one or two on ebay. It is one of the first > generation ss mac amps. The complete lineup was: > 50w/ch: MC250(no meters or front panel), MC2505 (meters & glass front panel) > 100w/ch: MC2100 (as above), MC2105 (as above) > 300w/ch: MC2300 (meters & "industrial" heavy metal front panel, > rackmountable w/handles) > These were, by far, the most musical ss mac amps until the MC300/500/1000 > amps came out. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > In a message dated 12/3/2001 11:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << Javier, > > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could > sell > > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. >> > > > > 2105? I recall seeing them on eBay often. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 5 03:46:35 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:46:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0D81CC.DBB7506A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901c17d37$0e303c40$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> I concur. It's a blighter to have to do but, if you try to re-install Windows without wiping it first, you get all kinds of weird anomalies and conflicts. Just make sure you back up all those files you need and programs you downloaded. AND don't forget your pst file (containing all your Outlook file records, inc' In box, Calendar, etc) and any drivers - e.g. for CR Rom, printer, Zip drive, scanner, etc.. Finally, the best of luck! Had to do it once before and it was no picnic. Took me all day to do and then I had to get support to help me get a couple of peripherals working again. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 02:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) That's exactly what I would like to do, Stephen: clean my entire hard drive. Any words of wisdom? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > The only way you're going to get your computer to be as "un-buggy" as it > used to be is to completely wipe Windows from the system & do a "from > scratch" install. This means that you'll then have to do a reinstall of all > the programs you're using(which need not be erased to start with). If you > do a re-install on top of the existing Windows, it will retain all of the > stray DLL's & other nonsense that is making things buggy in the first place. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 5 03:51:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:51:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000a01c17d37$cb598740$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than Windows 98 v1 but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It seems a different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself but I know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and all of those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But one I know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could be he's just been unlucky ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 02:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in mind. The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting my hard drive (what exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I can ask you guys for help should I need any. BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 floppy. As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except for the free web applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other documents, what else should I back up? Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 04:07:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:07:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000901c17d37$0e303c40$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0D8F6C.EE33F685@earthlink.net> Thanks, Graham. I think I have all the software and drivers on disc already. I use Netscape Messenger for email. Does anyone know what folder holds all of my sent and received email messages? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I concur. It's a blighter to have to do but, if you try to re-install > Windows without wiping it first, you get all kinds of weird anomalies and > conflicts. Just make sure you back up all those files you need and programs > you downloaded. AND don't forget your pst file (containing all your Outlook > file records, inc' In box, Calendar, etc) and any drivers - e.g. for CR Rom, > printer, Zip drive, scanner, etc.. > > Finally, the best of luck! Had to do it once before and it was no picnic. > Took me all day to do and then I had to get support to help me get a couple > of peripherals working again. > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 5 04:18:34 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:18:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <132.5b329a2.293dc2ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0D91ED.D47A7B81@pacbell.net> Sam, Clean, simple lines and lack of tacky, goopy, elements is, IMO, what makes an object beautiful; especially when it is a machine. Like Stephen and others have noted, you would be money and sound quality ahead with an old c-32 preamp and one of the older ss amps. Ebay could get you into both units for about $1200 and you could send 'em directly to Stephen or some Mac servicer and have 'em brought up to spec. Unless you have to, don't mix stereo and HT and avoid the mac multi channel amps. As I understand it, they are not worth the $$. Always a pleasure to chat with you! Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > FWIW - I've NEVER been a McIntosh loyalist or even liked their components. > However, since I've never heard them I've always kept an open mind despite my > dislike for their styling. (the artist in me). > > I have to admit that I am interested in learning more and auditioning their > new MA6500 and MA6900 integrated amps. And, I also find the new MX132 > preamp/processor very intriguing as it allows the simultaneous use of two > separate amplifiers and multiple speakers. > > With those options, I would run one 5-channel amp and use it's AV > capabilities, and also run a separate 2-channel amp for my audio system. > Unfortunately, in this scenario you lose balanced connections and tone > controls. And, all of your signals are processed through the 24-bit DACs. > > As with any audio piece, I have to hear them before making a decision. I am > open to hearing as many components as possible as that is the only way I > personally know of that allows me to make a decision based on my listening > preferences and taste. There's just so many choices these days you really > have to narrow your options and choose a few choice components. Not to > mention the issues associated with digital components...just my two cents, > thanks for the discussion. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 04:10:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:10:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000a01c17d37$cb598740$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0D9009.7B281E62@earthlink.net> Interesting, Graham. Does anyone else have any opinions on Windows 98 v1 vs 98 v2 vs 2000? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than Windows 98 v1 > but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It seems a > different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just > upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what > Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself but I > know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and all of > those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But one I > know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could be he's > just been unlucky ... > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 5 04:29:09 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:29:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <32.1efd2ba5.293dc80a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0D9468.AA7DDCAA@pacbell.net> Sam, I would say that HT and other practical matters are motivating people to sell them. Our family friend bought a pair when I was about 13. The fans have never come on and they haven't been moved or ever required service since he bought 'em. Is this group becoming Mactalk? No complaints here, but a mactalk group would be great. The Topica list seldom has much activity. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Here's another MC-2300 for sale. I also see these quite often on eBay. > Leads you to believe their not that great or are severely out dated. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305175831 > > -Sam, > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 5 04:33:14 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:33:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0D955D.6689CF09@pacbell.net> My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work fine. Is there somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Dec 5 04:01:52 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:01:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? Message-ID: <20011204.221852.-412709.7.josephj69@juno.com> THANKS everyone for the advice on the whole SCSI problem. I actually figured it out myself (there's a first time for everything). I consulted the Adaptec manual and noticed it says the 2940 must be installed in a slot that "supports Bus Master data transfers" (whatever that is). I then looked in the motherboard manual and that says that only slot 2 on my board supports "Bus Master." The 2940 was originally in slot 2, but I moved it in order to try my ultra-finniky sound card (Hoontech ST128) in that slot. I was told the sound card will work only in slot 2 or 3. I had it in slot 5 for two years and it was a total mess. As it turns out, slot 3 is where the card likes to be in my motherboard. It's now working better than it has in all the time I've owned it. The problem is that I was too lazy to move the 2940 back into slot 2. Now that I've put the 2940 back jn slot 2, the freezing problem seems to be over. The drive still seems to be moving slower than before, but I sincerily HOPE it's just my imagination. Thanks again, Joe On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:04:08 +0530 "Kannan. S" writes: There is agood chance that this IRQ conflict is the main culprit. Move back the SCSI controller card to its original slot and check IRQ setting coming along while booting. Also read your SCSI card docs if there are some. If that card is a plug & play find some utility that may fix the IRQ otherwise remove the SCSI card / boot /remove any of the scsi card shown on Contolpanel/system/device manager-then shutdown and reinstall SCSI card and reboot. This sometimes corrects but you need SCSI device driver floppy or CD with you. Generally PCI slot can create problem as first PCI slot is reserved for some IRQ setting while your SCSI card may be having fixed IRQ not matching with PCI slot reserved IRQ. Once you solve the problem - dicument it for next time trouble shhoting. ( I do not know if you have installed US robotics internal modem - that gave a lot of headach that I started using external modems!!!) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems like such great sources of information that I have feeling one of you can help me with this . . . I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my problem. If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it for me). Any help greatly apprecaited. Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmueller at gdi.net Wed Dec 5 04:24:31 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:24:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000a01c17d37$cb598740$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> <3C0D9009.7B281E62@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003801c17d3c$5bb76560$e6d161d8@primeevil> Yes, but I'm sending it in private e-mail to save the bandwidth :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > Interesting, Graham. > > Does anyone else have any opinions on Windows 98 v1 vs 98 v2 vs 2000? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than Windows 98 v1 > > but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It seems a > > different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just > > upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what > > Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself but I > > know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and all of > > those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But one I > > know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could be he's > > just been unlucky ... > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Dec 5 04:22:39 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:22:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <20011204.222243.-412709.12.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, I find this thread fascinating. My Windows 98 system's been running for about 3 years now, and I'm definitely overdue for a complete re-install myself. I get a "blue screen" almost every time I shut down. However, I'd much rather abandon Microsoft's inferior operating systems altogether and avoid all these corrupted file problems in the first place. AFAIK, the best way to do that is to run Linux. Is anyone using it? How hard is it to learn/use? Is this a good idea, or am I crazy? - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:51:53 -0000 "Graham Nelson" writes: > Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than > Windows 98 v1 > but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It > seems a > different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just > upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what > Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself > but I > know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and > all of > those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But > one I > know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could > be he's > just been unlucky ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 02:27 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > dummies!) > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I > had in > mind. > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider > reformatting my > hard drive (what > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios > settings, > reassigning irqs and > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access > so I > can ask you guys > for help should I need any. > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I > have a > 550MHz Pentium II > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and > 1.44 > floppy. > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs > (except > for the free web > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > documents, what else > should I back up? > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows > 98 v1. > XP doesn't seem > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Dec 5 04:05:46 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:35:46 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <005b01c17d39$bca93c20$42d60192@vsnl> Graham I agree with you that Win98V2 is really stable and worth the effort because you can get all drivers for most of the hardware. Even my DVD kit from Creative works better - Yeah I see movies using this kit - cable connecting it to my TV. You can reinstall ( clean )windows without reformatting by selecting another Directory for windows install - say C:\win98 - other than the existing C:\windows.. 100 % it will do wonders to your windows OS - runs faster/ cleaner etc. But then install only those programme that you really require - not all those experimental install that you did but never used it. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) >Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than Windows 98 v1 >but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It seems a >different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just >upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what >Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself but I >know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and all of >those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But one I >know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could be he's >just been unlucky ... > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Jim Volpatti >Sent: 05 December 2001 02:27 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for >dummies!) > > >Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in >mind. > >The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting my >hard drive (what >exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, >reassigning irqs and >ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I >can ask you guys >for help should I need any. > >BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have a >550MHz Pentium II >with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 >floppy. > >As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except >for the free web >applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other >documents, what else >should I back up? > >Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. >XP doesn't seem >like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > >Thanks in advance. > >Jim Volpatti > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 04:30:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:30:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Message-ID: <20.201eec75.293eeed7@aol.com> Thanks for the advise. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 04:39:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:39:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <13c.5a0ddfa.293ef0f3@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 9:12:41 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Interesting, Graham. Does anyone else have any opinions on Windows 98 v1 vs 98 v2 vs 2000? Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, I have a bookmark somewhere (my bookmarks are not organized at the moment) from TechTV that walks you through reformatting your hard drive. Interestingly, they recommend for optimum Windows performance going through this "spring" cleaning twice a year if you frequently download shareware and stuff from the 'Net. Otherwise, they recommend going through this exercise once a year. I think I'm going Mac! Once I locate it I'll forward it to you. I'm running ME on top of 98v2. I'm seriously considering reformatting and running Windows 2000 as it is more stable and less prone to window's glitches. I also (when I remember to do so) test shareware programs on my Iomega Zip/Jazz drives. That alone will save you many hours of Window's headaches. My HP shipped with install disks that install all the necessary software and OS. Only problem it contains 98, but I could run it after I've installed 2000. Sounds like a nice weekend project to complete before the new year. If I decide to do it I'll let you know. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 04:55:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:55:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <005b01c17d39$bca93c20$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C0D9AAF.CBC7F1ED@earthlink.net> Thanks Kannan. I appreciate the info! Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > Graham > I agree with you that Win98V2 is really stable and worth the effort because > you can get all drivers for most of the hardware. Even my DVD kit from > Creative works better - Yeah I see movies using this kit - cable connecting > it to my TV. > You can reinstall ( clean )windows without reformatting by selecting > another Directory for windows install - say C:\win98 - other than the > existing C:\windows.. 100 % it will do wonders to your windows OS - runs > faster/ cleaner etc. But then install only those programme that you really > require - not all those experimental install that you did but never used it. > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 04:58:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:58:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011204.222243.-412709.12.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0D9B68.42E165F3@earthlink.net> I would consider doing the same thing, Joe, but I don't think there is much quality software available that runs on Linux. Perhaps I'm wrong though. Jim Volpatti josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Okay, I find this thread fascinating. My Windows 98 system's been > running for about 3 years now, and I'm definitely overdue for a complete > re-install myself. I get a "blue screen" almost every time I shut down. > > However, I'd much rather abandon Microsoft's inferior operating systems > altogether and avoid all these corrupted file problems in the first > place. AFAIK, the best way to do that is to run Linux. Is anyone using > it? How hard is it to learn/use? > > Is this a good idea, or am I crazy? > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 05:06:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:06:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <143.5c7292a.293ef760@aol.com> Hey Jim, OK, found them. 1. Here's a great resource for online troubleshooting help. Worth keeping this bookmark: http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/answerstips/jump/0,23009,2410091,00.html 2. PC Tune UP http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,3656,2103669,00.html (right at this moment, I'm experiencing problems accessing this page so please let me know if you can view it) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 05:08:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:08:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <182.2bedd9.293ef7b3@aol.com> I know this is off topic, but I thought this resource would prove valuable to everyone on this list. Enjoy. -Sam http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/archive/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 05:30:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:30:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <13c.5a0ddfa.293ef0f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0DA2D2.90A4BD8F@earthlink.net> Please do, Sam. And thanks for the info. BTW, is reformatting a hard drive considered the same thing as erasing and re-installing all the data on it? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2001 9:12:41 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Interesting, Graham. > > Does anyone else have any opinions on Windows 98 v1 vs 98 v2 vs 2000? > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Hi Jim, > > I have a bookmark somewhere (my bookmarks are not organized at the moment) > from TechTV that walks you through reformatting your hard drive. > Interestingly, they recommend for optimum Windows performance going through > this "spring" cleaning twice a year if you frequently download shareware and > stuff from the 'Net. Otherwise, they recommend going through this exercise > once a year. I think I'm going Mac! > > Once I locate it I'll forward it to you. I'm running ME on top of 98v2. I'm > seriously considering reformatting and running Windows 2000 as it is more > stable and less prone to window's glitches. I also (when I remember to do > so) test shareware programs on my Iomega Zip/Jazz drives. That alone will > save you many hours of Window's headaches. > > My HP shipped with install disks that install all the necessary software and > OS. Only problem it contains 98, but I could run it after I've installed > 2000. Sounds like a nice weekend project to complete before the new year. > If I decide to do it I'll let you know. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 05:35:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:35:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <35.1f07af2a.293efdfb@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/2001 10:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Please do, Sam. And thanks for the info. BTW, is reformatting a hard drive considered the same thing as erasing and re-installing all the data on it? Jim Volpatti >> yes... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 5 06:04:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:04:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <45.1007e814.293f04e7@aol.com> Hi Jim and all, Here are a few more resources to help with reformatting your hard drive. How to reformat your hard drive http://tech.jmwebdesigns.com/software/expert/reformat.html How do I reformat my hard drive FAQ http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-tos/reinstall-faq.html Another how to guide http://www.cyberwalker.net/columns/jul99/2907.shtml And I've had great success with the TechTV in the past, so that previous link should work well. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Dec 5 06:10:19 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:10:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... In-Reply-To: <3C0D955D.6689CF09@pacbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 britri at pacbell.net wrote: > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work fine. Is there > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? Looks, of course. Cement might be functional, but it's also ugly. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 5 06:19:50 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:19:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] The ZX9 manual. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B8F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello all, For those who want a copy of the ZX9 manual please click on this link http://us.geocities.com/nakftp/index.html The username is "nakftp" and the password is "manuals". All of the pages are on this site, feel free to take as many copies as you want. I hope the quality is ok. Regards and Happy Holidays! Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 5 06:29:39 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:29:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] The ZX9 manual. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B91@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Oops! I forgot to mention please click on File manager, enter the account details and hopefully you are in. Regards Tom -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [mailto:Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 4:20 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] The ZX9 manual. Hello all, For those who want a copy of the ZX9 manual please click on this link http://us.geocities.com/nakftp/index.html The username is "nakftp" and the password is "manuals". All of the pages are on this site, feel free to take as many copies as you want. I hope the quality is ok. Regards and Happy Holidays! Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just be sure to backup all of your important files, just in case the new installation screws up badly & you have to wipe the whole drive. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > That's exactly what I would like to do, Stephen: clean my entire hard drive. Any words > of wisdom? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The only way you're going to get your computer to be as "un-buggy" as it > > used to be is to completely wipe Windows from the system & do a "from > > scratch" install. This means that you'll then have to do a reinstall of all > > the programs you're using(which need not be erased to start with). If you > > do a re-install on top of the existing Windows, it will retain all of the > > stray DLL's & other nonsense that is making things buggy in the first place. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 06:55:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:55:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh References: <14a.51eb19f.293dbc8d@aol.com> <14e201c17c89$788488c0$403442cf@sank1> <3C0D8D77.462C9C7C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <175e01c17d51$7cb5d980$403442cf@sank1> I don't work within a Mac dealership anymore, so I haven't actually heard any amps newer than the MC500/1000. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > So MC 1000 is a good sounding amp, eh? Whatabout the mc1200 or is it MC1201? same > sound, just more of it? > > Thanx, > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Yes, there is almost always one or two on ebay. It is one of the first > > generation ss mac amps. The complete lineup was: > > 50w/ch: MC250(no meters or front panel), MC2505 (meters & glass front panel) > > 100w/ch: MC2100 (as above), MC2105 (as above) > > 300w/ch: MC2300 (meters & "industrial" heavy metal front panel, > > rackmountable w/handles) > > These were, by far, the most musical ss mac amps until the MC300/500/1000 > > amps came out. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh > > > > > In a message dated 12/3/2001 11:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << Javier, > > > You don't know what you're missing if you've never heard the older > > > MC2105 vs your 2125. So much more involving & musical. And you could > > sell > > > your 2125 to pretty easily get enough to buy a very nice 2105. >> > > > > > > 2105? I recall seeing them on eBay often. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 07:08:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:08:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <3D3A628E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <179c01c17d53$5559f180$403442cf@sank1> No. Many digital tuners do not do odd steps unless told to do so, either by rear panel switch(s) or internal switch, with a few needing jumper soldering for selection. Yet another reason to get a tube McIntosh analog tuner! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > Do all tuners in the U.S. tune onto odd frequencies like the current Nak MB100 > that I imported into England- because i am intested in purchasing a classic > tuner from U.S. > Fred. > >===== Original Message From SBarr12393 at aol.com ===== > >In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, > >joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > > > ><< The two top Sansui tuners are the TU-9900 and TU-X1. > > > > TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy person > > paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about $600 > > or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. > > > > > > joel >> > > > >Check out the Vintage Tuner Page for more information on these and other fine > >tuners. I find the TU-9900 very attractive with those green lights, and it's > >a top performer to. (smile) > > > >-Sam > > > >http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 07:15:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:15:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: <80.142504a8.293dd18f@aol.com> <3C0D955D.6689CF09@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <17a801c17d54$3d0a61e0$403442cf@sank1> That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work fine. Is there > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > Brian Stocker > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 07:35:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:35:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <45.1007e814.293f04e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0DC02B.CA0C35FE@earthlink.net> Wow, you guys are great! I've spent the last hour or two reading through online information on reformatting hard drives and reinstalling Windows and I feel MUCH more comfortable with the thought of doing it myself. I plan to create a boot disc but I came across these three floppies while looking through my software and driver discs: Microsoft Boot Disc (came with computer, created by Microsoft) Windows 98 Start Up Disc (created by me when I set up my computer three years ago) McAfee Emergency Boot Disc (again created by me, evidently after I installed McAfee Virus Scan My question is, are all three of these discs essentially the same? Thanks, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Jim and all, > > Here are a few more resources to help with reformatting your hard drive. > > How to reformat your hard drive > http://tech.jmwebdesigns.com/software/expert/reformat.html > > How do I reformat my hard drive FAQ > http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-tos/reinstall-faq.html > > Another how to guide > http://www.cyberwalker.net/columns/jul99/2907.shtml > > And I've had great success with the TechTV in the past, so that previous link > should work well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 09:09:54 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:09:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <17a801c17d54$3d0a61e0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. I've settled on several tables: new audio note TT! $ 750 new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) OR used well tempered classic (w/well arm) roksan radius w/tabriz arm roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) michell gyro SE I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn many variations over the years. any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. Ciao Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work fine. Is there > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > Brian Stocker > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so many > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. I'd > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 amps). > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced "audiophile" > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that much > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never seen a > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom stand. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Wed Dec 5 09:21:10 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:21:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0DC02B.CA0C35FE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: This is a method I've used for a clean install... Once you've formatted your drive (see below), and can boot it to a c:\ prompt, re-boot the pc with the Windows boot disk which gives you access to your cd-rom drive, and then copy the contents of the Win98 cd-rom \win98 folder to a folder called c:\win98 on the hard disk. (If your copy of Win98 is an upgrade, then you'll need a Win95 cd-rom or similar during the install process. My advice is to also copy the contents of the cd-rom \Win95 folder to a \Win95 folder on the hard drive as well, since you may lose access to the cd-rom drive temporarily during the install process.) Remove the Windows boot disk and restart to a c:\ prompt. Change to the Win98 folder and run Setup from there. If you are asked for the location of your Win95 files (ie. you have a Win98 upgrade) then type in c:\win95. Let setup complete and delete the \Win95 folder. Re-install all your other software. One advantage of installation from a hard disk folder rather than from a cd-rom is that you won't be asked to insert the cd-rom if you install a new printer or make other setup changes in the future - Windows will read the files from the hard disk folder. Some things to think about backing up before you reformat: Favorites Cookies Desktop - all these are stored in your Windows folder. Email .pst files - make sure you get the right one, there may be several. Outlook Express data files - several files in a single folder. Documents! Word templates - normal.dot, and there may be more than one. Saved games etc. Be absolutely certain that you can get your data back before wiping the drive! If you have Outlook Express take extra care that you have all the relevant files. Check all folders and sort files by date so that you can pick up anything that's been changed recently - if in doubt, copy it. All that having been said, I would be tempted in your position to go for an upgrade to Win2000 Pro if your hard disk is large enough (but still back up data just in case!). I have upgraded several Win98 machines to Win2000 and have been very pleased with the results. At the start of the upgrade you will be advised of any incompatible hardware in your pc, at which point you can decide whether to proceed or whether to download the new drivers first. Also go to 256Mb RAM or more if you can. Finally, don't be tempted by Windows ME. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 06:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Wow, you guys are great! I've spent the last hour or two reading through online information on reformatting hard drives and reinstalling Windows and I feel MUCH more comfortable with the thought of doing it myself. I plan to create a boot disc but I came across these three floppies while looking through my software and driver discs: Microsoft Boot Disc (came with computer, created by Microsoft) Windows 98 Start Up Disc (created by me when I set up my computer three years ago) McAfee Emergency Boot Disc (again created by me, evidently after I installed McAfee Virus Scan My question is, are all three of these discs essentially the same? Thanks, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Jim and all, > > Here are a few more resources to help with reformatting your hard drive. > > How to reformat your hard drive > http://tech.jmwebdesigns.com/software/expert/reformat.html > > How do I reformat my hard drive FAQ > http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-tos/reinstall-faq.html > > Another how to guide > http://www.cyberwalker.net/columns/jul99/2907.shtml > > And I've had great success with the TechTV in the past, so that previous link > should work well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It means that probably you would have to sign in 2 or 3 times with an hour break between sessions in order to download the whole manual as after exceeding the limit the site would be temporaly unavailable for some time. Regards, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Dec 5 10:15:42 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:15:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <200112050212.DAA11497@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, imho, the simplest and safest way, would be to buy a second harddisk, use that as primary one, and reinstall Windows on that one . Benefits are : - you don't take any risk with files you already have ... even if it would be not that important, at least you'd have a complete inventory at hand - you get some extra capacity (depending on the size of the new disk) - depending on the amount of memory you have, you might see a big improvement in performance, if you put your "pagefile.sys" on the second disk - you can copy what you need to copy from disk to disk, thereby also defragmenting the files - if you leave your old Windows system on the old disk, you always have a backup system at hand Cons : - it'll cost you some money - you'll have to open your computer and fiddle about with the little switch indicating that the old drive is primary or secondary (switch it to the latter) Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 10:22:29 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:22:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: Message-ID: <3C0DE754.DD07F7E4@earthlink.net> Thanks David! Jim Volpatti David Lefebvre wrote: > This is a method I've used for a clean install... > > Once you've formatted your drive (see below), and can boot it to a c:\ > prompt, re-boot the pc with the Windows boot disk which gives you access to > your cd-rom drive, and then copy the contents of the Win98 cd-rom \win98 > folder to a folder called c:\win98 on the hard disk. > > (If your copy of Win98 is an upgrade, then you'll need a Win95 cd-rom or > similar during the install process. My advice is to also copy the contents > of the cd-rom \Win95 folder to a \Win95 folder on the hard drive as well, > since you may lose access to the cd-rom drive temporarily during the install > process.) > > Remove the Windows boot disk and restart to a c:\ prompt. Change to the > Win98 folder and run Setup from there. If you are asked for the location of > your Win95 files (ie. you have a Win98 upgrade) then type in c:\win95. Let > setup complete and delete the \Win95 folder. Re-install all your other > software. > > One advantage of installation from a hard disk folder rather than from a > cd-rom is that you won't be asked to insert the cd-rom if you install a new > printer or make other setup changes in the future - Windows will read the > files from the hard disk folder. > > Some things to think about backing up before you reformat: > > Favorites > Cookies > Desktop - all these are stored in your Windows folder. > Email .pst files - make sure you get the right one, there may be several. > Outlook Express data files - several files in a single folder. > Documents! > Word templates - normal.dot, and there may be more than one. > Saved games etc. > > Be absolutely certain that you can get your data back before wiping the > drive! If you have Outlook Express take extra care that you have all the > relevant files. Check all folders and sort files by date so that you can > pick up anything that's been changed recently - if in doubt, copy it. > > All that having been said, I would be tempted in your position to go for an > upgrade to Win2000 Pro if your hard disk is large enough (but still back up > data just in case!). I have upgraded several Win98 machines to Win2000 and > have been very pleased with the results. At the start of the upgrade you > will be advised of any incompatible hardware in your pc, at which point you > can decide whether to proceed or whether to download the new drivers first. > Also go to 256Mb RAM or more if you can. > > Finally, don't be tempted by Windows ME. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:35 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > Wow, you guys are great! > > I've spent the last hour or two reading through online information on > reformatting hard > drives and reinstalling Windows and I feel MUCH more comfortable with the > thought of > doing it myself. > > I plan to create a boot disc but I came across these three floppies while > looking > through my software and driver discs: > > Microsoft Boot Disc (came with computer, created by Microsoft) > Windows 98 Start Up Disc (created by me when I set up my computer three > years ago) > McAfee Emergency Boot Disc (again created by me, evidently after I installed > McAfee > Virus Scan > > My question is, are all three of these discs essentially the same? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jim and all, > > > > Here are a few more resources to help with reformatting your hard drive. > > > > How to reformat your hard drive > > http://tech.jmwebdesigns.com/software/expert/reformat.html > > > > How do I reformat my hard drive FAQ > > http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-tos/reinstall-faq.html > > > > Another how to guide > > http://www.cyberwalker.net/columns/jul99/2907.shtml > > > > And I've had great success with the TechTV in the past, so that previous > link > > should work well. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Dec 5 10:26:05 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:26:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Message-ID: <25DDD602.50CFC7FB.032C04E1@netscape.net> Graham, Thank you very much for the link but I'm watching this deck since its putting on the auction and already has bids on it with the help of our co-member Klaus Fendt (thank you, Klaus). So remembering the recent discussions on Naktalk regarding E-Bay listings and of course respecting the right for free competition I nevertheless ask the members of the group to refrain from outbidding if they do not have any REALLY SERIOUS intentions to buy this deck. I hope you understand. Thank you in advance. Regards, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Dec 5 10:43:17 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:43:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <200112050354.EAA12413@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi (again) Jim, To put things in some kind of historic perspective : in the beginning there was MS-DOS (not entirely true but it'll do), which ran happily in a few tens of K's . Then MS copied the ideas of the GUI and created Windows up until 3.11 (as a matter of fact IBM created it, but MS made the money out of it), which could get away with a few Mb of memory . The next step was in fact Windows NT, aimed at the professional market, that could afford to throw away all their PC's and replace them with 64 Mb models . For the home user, this option was inconceivable, so MS got out W95, able to run in 8 Mb, and happy with 16 Mb . This step could be done by the non-professional user, since the typical PC had enough slots for the extra memory . The step that remained to be taken to NT however, was still rather big, so W98 was introduced (still basically an MS-DOS with a GUI) . W98 offered the advantage that it could run in relatively low memory, AND it supported USB, was (more or less) plug and play, and basically much easier to deal with than NT (V4) . With all new PC's having USB, MS needed to do something for the professional market too, so they made Millenium (or W2000), which is basically an upgrade of NT4 to which some plug and play was added . To run it comfortably, you need 128 Mb, but that's no longer a real problem on relatively recent PC's . The two lines (W9x and NT) are now merged together in XP that should offer the good sides of both lines . The "consumer" line (W3.11-W95-W98) offers relative ease of usage and installation, a better user interface but has terrible security holes in it . The "professional line" (NT4-2000) is infinitely better on a architectural point of view ... in the first place because it's not any longer an MS-DOS that is hidden behind the interface . It offers a really big control over what the user can and cannot do, thanks to its registry (idea also introduced in W98) . I wouldn't jump on XP yet ... but I think 2000 is probably the most reliable option there is for the moment : it offers most of the ease of W98 and the good base of NT . Eddy ... but when I were to buy a new computer, it would be a Macintosh :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 11:10:09 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:10:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <001601c17c3d$22ff71e0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <3C0DF281.4735CC80@yahoo.com> Disable the serial ports, How unelegant! Javier Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > hello Ron, > > I would advice you to go into the bios and disable the serial ports. The > most people don't use them because of usb devices and then you have one or > two interupts free for your scsi card. The combination scsi - modem card is > very bad because of not so sophisticated drivers. Some motherboards has > shared irq depending of the slot you are using. Look into your manual to > place the scsi card into a non (irq)shared slot. You can also in your bios > give your card (read slot) an irq number (depending of the slot you using > for the scsi card) and that is a better solution then let windows control > your irq. A good irq for your video card = irq 9. Scsi card irq 10 and your > audio card irq 5. > > Greetings Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT: Is anyone here a computer / SCSI expert? > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Guys, I know this is totally OT, but everyone here seems > > > like such great sources of information that I have > > > feeling one of you can help me with this . . . > > > > > > I'm having some problems with my computer. For the first > > > time in three years of using this software, Cool Edit Pro > > > is freezing up on my whenever I try to process (or even > > > save) a wave file in the program. I have good reason to > > > believe my problem is with my SCSI controller. I recently > > > moved it to a different PCI slot, and it's now sharing an > > > interrupt with my Win Modem and something called a "PCI to > > > USB Universal Host Controller." I recall someone telling > > > me that these Win Modems can wreak havoc on systems by > > > causing all sorts of conflicts, so I think this is my > > > problem. > > > > > > If someone thinks they can help, let me know and I'll give > > > you the specifics off-list. I'm pretty sure what I've > > > described above is my problem, I'm just not sure how to > > > fix it. I'm no computer expert, and I know close to > > > nothing about the SCSI setup (computer store installed it > > > for me). > > > > > > Any help greatly apprecaited. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > > > > > I'll second Kannan's reply, that the problem is probably > > with an IRQ conflict. Some bus mastering SCSI adapter cards > > dislike sharing IRQs with anything, let alone, a modem. > > Consult your card manual. (If it's an Adaptec x9160, then > > this is definitely true). > > > > As you know, if you invoke > > Start/Programs/Accessories/SystemTools/SystemInformation, > > and look at HardwareResources/Conflicts&Sharing, you get a > > complete picture of the issue. > > > > Another source of information is the > > Start/Settings/ControlPanel/System/DeviceManager screen. > > Selecting SCSI Controllers, then the controller itself > > and clicking on the Properties button will tell you whether > > Windows thinks the adapter is working fine (far from > > conclusive, but an indication). > > > > If you do have a problem, one way to solve is to move the > > SCSI adapter back to another slot. Upon reboot, Windows > > will reinstall the driver. > > > > You could also try to remove (physically from the mother > > board) the conflicting devices, reboot (Windows will then > > deinstall the drivers and free the IRQ) and shut down. > > Now, reinstall the cards and the drivers. This may (or may > > not) solve the problem, but is worth a try if else has > > failed. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 11:12:40 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:12:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap References: <3D3A628E@mail.totalise.co.uk> <179c01c17d53$5559f180$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0DF318.7FFB310E@yahoo.com> Steve You really should join the Mac list! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > No. Many digital tuners do not do odd steps unless told to do so, either by > rear panel switch(s) or internal switch, with a few needing jumper soldering > for selection. > Yet another reason to get a tube McIntosh analog tuner! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRED MOSS" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:13 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nice big Sansui going cheap > > > Do all tuners in the U.S. tune onto odd frequencies like the current Nak > MB100 > > that I imported into England- because i am intested in purchasing a > classic > > tuner from U.S. > > Fred. > > >===== Original Message From SBarr12393 at aol.com > ===== > > >In a message dated 12/4/2001 2:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, > > >joelll at genericdomain.net writes: > > > > > ><< The two top Sansui tuners are the TU-9900 and TU-X1. > > > > > > TU-9900's often go for around $600 on ebay, and recently some crazy > person > > > paid over $2000 for a TU-X1, which I think should also be worth about > $600 > > > or 700, but I don't have a price guide for reference. > > > > > > > > > joel >> > > > > > >Check out the Vintage Tuner Page for more information on these and other > fine > > >tuners. I find the TU-9900 very attractive with those green lights, and > it's > > >a top performer to. (smile) > > > > > >-Sam > > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > ---------------------- > > To become a member and a shareholder > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 11:14:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:14:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 References: <146.5bb86a6.293e951a@aol.com> <3C0D4473.854531C0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0DF385.803576B7@yahoo.com> I thought diversity tuning was a selectable multi rf input switching system. Otherwise I'de rather have 2 tuners. Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Two tuners or the ability to connect two antennas and have the tuner choose the one > that yields best performance at any given moment (diversity tuning)? > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Here's a few pics of the insides of the TU-X1: > > > > http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tu-x1.htm > > > > I'm sure some of the high prices these have fetched on eBay are due to the > > rare availability. They're great performers, but they are hard to find. > > It's basically two separate tuners housed in one box. Isn't the new McIntosh > > (not to open that can of worms again) tuner two separate tuners in the same > > box as well? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Wed Dec 5 11:22:19 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:22:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0DE754.DD07F7E4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Get back to me (off list if you like) if any of this needs clarification.... David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 09:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Thanks David! Jim Volpatti David Lefebvre wrote: > This is a method I've used for a clean install... > > Once you've formatted your drive (see below), and can boot it to a c:\ > prompt, re-boot the pc with the Windows boot disk which gives you access to > your cd-rom drive, and then copy the contents of the Win98 cd-rom \win98 > folder to a folder called c:\win98 on the hard disk. > > (If your copy of Win98 is an upgrade, then you'll need a Win95 cd-rom or > similar during the install process. My advice is to also copy the contents > of the cd-rom \Win95 folder to a \Win95 folder on the hard drive as well, > since you may lose access to the cd-rom drive temporarily during the install > process.) > > Remove the Windows boot disk and restart to a c:\ prompt. Change to the > Win98 folder and run Setup from there. If you are asked for the location of > your Win95 files (ie. you have a Win98 upgrade) then type in c:\win95. Let > setup complete and delete the \Win95 folder. Re-install all your other > software. > > One advantage of installation from a hard disk folder rather than from a > cd-rom is that you won't be asked to insert the cd-rom if you install a new > printer or make other setup changes in the future - Windows will read the > files from the hard disk folder. > > Some things to think about backing up before you reformat: > > Favorites > Cookies > Desktop - all these are stored in your Windows folder. > Email .pst files - make sure you get the right one, there may be several. > Outlook Express data files - several files in a single folder. > Documents! > Word templates - normal.dot, and there may be more than one. > Saved games etc. > > Be absolutely certain that you can get your data back before wiping the > drive! If you have Outlook Express take extra care that you have all the > relevant files. Check all folders and sort files by date so that you can > pick up anything that's been changed recently - if in doubt, copy it. > > All that having been said, I would be tempted in your position to go for an > upgrade to Win2000 Pro if your hard disk is large enough (but still back up > data just in case!). I have upgraded several Win98 machines to Win2000 and > have been very pleased with the results. At the start of the upgrade you > will be advised of any incompatible hardware in your pc, at which point you > can decide whether to proceed or whether to download the new drivers first. > Also go to 256Mb RAM or more if you can. > > Finally, don't be tempted by Windows ME. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:35 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > Wow, you guys are great! > > I've spent the last hour or two reading through online information on > reformatting hard > drives and reinstalling Windows and I feel MUCH more comfortable with the > thought of > doing it myself. > > I plan to create a boot disc but I came across these three floppies while > looking > through my software and driver discs: > > Microsoft Boot Disc (came with computer, created by Microsoft) > Windows 98 Start Up Disc (created by me when I set up my computer three > years ago) > McAfee Emergency Boot Disc (again created by me, evidently after I installed > McAfee > Virus Scan > > My question is, are all three of these discs essentially the same? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jim and all, > > > > Here are a few more resources to help with reformatting your hard drive. > > > > How to reformat your hard drive > > http://tech.jmwebdesigns.com/software/expert/reformat.html > > > > How do I reformat my hard drive FAQ > > http://www.cyberwalker.net/faqs/how-tos/reinstall-faq.html > > > > Another how to guide > > http://www.cyberwalker.net/columns/jul99/2907.shtml > > > > And I've had great success with the TechTV in the past, so that previous > link > > should work well. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Wed Dec 5 11:26:02 2001 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Ribbrock) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:26:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: ; from eddy.pollet@pandora.be on Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 10:43:17AM +0100 References: <200112050354.EAA12413@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <20011205112602.A20367@hzsc048.nl.lucent.com> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 10:43:17AM +0100, POLLET Eddy wrote: > To put things in some kind of historic perspective : [...] > With all new PC's having USB, MS needed to do something for the professional > market too, so they made Millenium (or W2000), [...] While the rest is very interesting (I never went beyond Win3.1), I think you're mistaken here: AFAIK, Windows Millenium Edition (short Win ME) is nothing but Win 98 + some GUI update and hence plagued with the same problems (not a multiuser system, bad multitasking, bad security etc.) - I could convince myself of that fact over the weekend at my father's PC... :-} Win00 is a completely different thing and is indeed nothing but Win NT 5.0 with a different name and way after release schedule and as such the upgrade to NT 4.0. > The two lines (W9x and NT) are now merged together in XP that should offer > the good sides of both lines . That's what MS says. From what I've heard, XP seems to be not much more than Win00/NT 5.0 plus some GUI enhancements plus the registration requirement (which in itself sounds like enough reason to boycott it to me), but, admittedly, I haven't used it yet. Win00 seems to be the better choice, at least according to those I know who (have to) use Windows. [...] > that is hidden behind the interface . It offers a really big control over > what the user can and cannot do, thanks to its registry (idea also > introduced in W98) . Didn't Win95 also have a registry? At least I hear people moaning about corrupted registry entries since that long and I thought Win98 wasn't much different from a Win95 plus some GUI changes plus the patches that were necessary plus IE anyway? I also always understood that the registry is (or at least started out as) some kind of central configuration file - am I mistaken (I'm not pretending to be a Windows expert... :-} )? Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Dec 5 11:48:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:48:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 References: <25DDD602.50CFC7FB.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001201c17d7a$8aa5fa60$6d289bca@smarzuki> Yes Nick, quite clear and addresses the 'loophole' that serious bidders will only wait until last minute - therefore fellow nakmembers won't be aware of one's intention. I'm still waiting to find one locally. Good luck ! SM BTW where's the other Nick ? still on vacation ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 > Graham, > > Thank you very much for the link but I'm watching this deck since its putting on the auction and already has bids on it with the help of our co-member Klaus Fendt (thank you, Klaus). > > So remembering the recent discussions on Naktalk regarding E-Bay listings and of course respecting the right for free competition I nevertheless ask the members of the group to refrain from outbidding if they do not have any REALLY SERIOUS intentions to buy this deck. I hope you understand. Thank you in advance. > > Regards, > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Dec 5 12:04:05 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:04:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1657 In-Reply-To: <200112051057.LAA15205@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:57:18 +0100 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1657 > > > While the rest is very interesting (I never went beyond Win3.1), I think > you're mistaken here: AFAIK, Windows Millenium Edition (short Win ME) is > nothing but Win 98 + some GUI update and hence plagued with the same > problems (not a multiuser system, bad multitasking, bad security etc.) - I > could convince myself of that fact over the weekend at my father's PC... :-} > Win00 is a completely different thing and is indeed nothing but Win NT 5.0 > with a different name and way after release schedule and as such the upgrade > to NT 4.0. > You're absolutely right ... my mistake (the weight of the years, you know) > >> The two lines (W9x and NT) are now merged together in XP that should offer >> the good sides of both lines . > > That's what MS says. From what I've heard, XP seems to be not much more than > Win00/NT 5.0 plus some GUI enhancements plus the registration requirement > (which in itself sounds like enough reason to boycott it to me), but, > admittedly, I haven't used it yet. Win00 seems to be the better choice, at > least according to those I know who (have to) use Windows. > A guy I know, just ran a program on his XP that scans for other programs that try to connect to the Internet, and found out that there were nine on his PC : XP and each and everyone of the programs of the Office suite ... so be aware :-) > > [...] >> that is hidden behind the interface . It offers a really big control over >> what the user can and cannot do, thanks to its registry (idea also >> introduced in W98) . > > Didn't Win95 also have a registry? At least I hear people moaning about > corrupted registry entries since that long and I thought Win98 wasn't much > different from a Win95 plus some GUI changes plus the patches that were > necessary plus IE anyway? I'm not sure for W95 . Perhaps it was already there, but not so much known under the name of "registry" (well, the function exists in any OS, as a matter of fact) > I also always understood that the registry is (or at least started out as) > some kind of central configuration file - am I mistaken (I'm not pretending > to be a Windows expert... :-} )? No, you're absolutely right . The idea is to have a central place where things like default values for dialog menu's can be given, where some choices can be greyed out and stuff like that . One need administrator authority to be able to change those and it is e.g. to write protect the "program file" folder, so that it becomes impossible for a normal user to install anything . For private use, I would recommend to define your usual logonid as administrator, otherwise one has to logoff/logon a myriad of times . There is also a program (REGEDIT) that allows one to edit that registry in a relative elegant way . For Macintosh users, this is roughly the equivalent of "RESEDIT", although that latter one goes much further both in its capacities and ease of use, but then again, it stems from 1985 ... an illustration of the advance the Mac system had (has) ???? :-) Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Dec 5 12:03:58 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:03:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Message-ID: <4246FB51.58773167.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Salim, Thanks for understanding. The other Nick returned and keeps an eye on the recent discussions. But as they are mostly nonNak-related, he prefers to stay away from them. You can drop him a line or two privately. With best wishes, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Dec 5 12:15:18 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:15:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Message-ID: <54E90415.680504DB.032C04E1@netscape.net> Oops! Salim, sorry, I forget to thank you for wishing me luck, tomorrow evening I would really need it. Thank you. Wish you also to find this precious thing in good condition near your area and at modest price :-))). With the very best wishes, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 5 12:37:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:37:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Carl Can't offer much advice on this save to say, yes, I think you're right that some of the old TTs can outplay more modern designs. (I am seriously considering getting rid of my PT TOO simply because I think my latest Lenco (GL78), which is in really excellent condition, is at least as good.) However, to comment on what you have noted, I had a standard RB300 on my PT TOO and sent it to Origin Live for modification. The mod' was the "full monty" - that is, the design change (an adaptation to the counter-weight) and silver wire re-wiring with a fresh interconnect of their specification, too. The cost of the modification gives a lot of bang for the buck. Also, I've not lived with the Roksan or Mitchell decks but have had the chance to hear both sets. Frankly, my impressions are that the Mitchell is a lot prettier than it sounds! Not to say it's crap but, to my ear, the Roksan's offer an altogether a better, more natural sound. Of the Roksan's I probably preferred the Xerxes. (With a good arm and cartridge I'd suggests these can probably give a higher spec' LP12 a run for its money! But then, I'm daft enough to think my GL78 could do as well!!! ) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 05 December 2001 08:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. I've settled on several tables: new audio note TT! $ 750 new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) OR used well tempered classic (w/well arm) roksan radius w/tabriz arm roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) michell gyro SE I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn many variations over the years. any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. Ciao Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 5 12:37:08 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:37:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c17d81$2c11c5e0$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> That's a good idea, Eddy - for anyone as a fail-safe for those PCs where vital files live. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 05 December 2001 09:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) Hi Jim, imho, the simplest and safest way, would be to buy a second harddisk, use that as primary one, and reinstall Windows on that one . Benefits are : - you don't take any risk with files you already have ... even if it would be not that important, at least you'd have a complete inventory at hand - you get some extra capacity (depending on the size of the new disk) - depending on the amount of memory you have, you might see a big improvement in performance, if you put your "pagefile.sys" on the second disk - you can copy what you need to copy from disk to disk, thereby also defragmenting the files - if you leave your old Windows system on the old disk, you always have a backup system at hand Cons : - it'll cost you some money - you'll have to open your computer and fiddle about with the little switch indicating that the old drive is primary or secondary (switch it to the latter) Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 5 13:01:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:01:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <001201c17d7a$8aa5fa60$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001901c17d84$9730d700$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Right on - good luck, Nick. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 05 December 2001 10:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Yes Nick, quite clear and addresses the 'loophole' that serious bidders will only wait until last minute - therefore fellow nakmembers won't be aware of one's intention. I'm still waiting to find one locally. Good luck ! SM BTW where's the other Nick ? still on vacation ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 15:33:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:33:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011204.222243.-412709.12.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0E304C.8C5E2E8C@concentric.net> Excellent idea whose time has not come yet. You will need new applications and the selection is sparse. This is what I intend to do myself (I am sick and tired of the Microsoft monopoly) but IMHO, it will take a few years before this is reasonable to do. As to how hard it is to learn -- that's subjective. I used UNIX for several years. It was hard to learn (LINUX is supposed to be easier) but not beyond the capacity of the average human. You can learn difficult stuff just like the easy stuff. It only takes a bit longer. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Okay, I find this thread fascinating. My Windows 98 system's been > running for about 3 years now, and I'm definitely overdue for a complete > re-install myself. I get a "blue screen" almost every time I shut down. > > However, I'd much rather abandon Microsoft's inferior operating systems > altogether and avoid all these corrupted file problems in the first > place. AFAIK, the best way to do that is to run Linux. Is anyone using > it? How hard is it to learn/use? > > Is this a good idea, or am I crazy? > > - Joe > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:51:53 -0000 "Graham Nelson" > writes: > > Get good advice, Jim. Windows 98 v2 is certainly better than > > Windows 98 v1 > > but Windows 2000 is not just an upgrade (if that) of 98 v2. It > > seems a > > different beast altogether. Thus, some parts of it are not just > > upgrades/refinements to 98 but completely new ... and you know what > > Microsoft's all new software can be like! I've not used 2000 myself > > but I > > know others who have. Some upgraded directly from Windows 98 v1 and > > all of > > those have said they preferred 2000, that it was more reliable. But > > one I > > know who went from 98v2 to 2000 decided to go back to 98v2. Could > > be he's > > just been unlucky ... > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 05 December 2001 02:27 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > > (for > > dummies!) > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I > > had in > > mind. > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider > > reformatting my > > hard drive (what > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios > > settings, > > reassigning irqs and > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access > > so I > > can ask you guys > > for help should I need any. > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I > > have a > > 550MHz Pentium II > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and > > 1.44 > > floppy. > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs > > (except > > for the free web > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > > documents, what else > > should I back up? > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows > > 98 v1. > > XP doesn't seem > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 15:37:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:37:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C0E3144.ACD57B84@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > exactly what I had in mind. > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > consider reformatting my hard drive (what exactly > does this mean and why is it necessary) You boot up your computer from a start up disk that contains file format.com. You key in 'format C: /U' and 'enter'. It takes a few minutes to half an hour and when done, your hard disk is empty and squeaky clean. Nothing of the old stuff remains. > changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and ports, > etc. You shouldn't be required to do this. Most BIOS versions let you load default settings, which should be sufficient for most uses. IRQs and ports should be automatically assigned by windows. > I just might fire up my old computer for internet > access so I can ask you guys for help should I need > any. You centainly should have internet access, to download any driver you may be missing. Before starting the operation, it's a good idea to visit all vendor sites and download the latest driver versions. > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II with 128MB, 32MB > of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 > floppy. depends on your applications. If as old as the machine, this setup should suffice. Some new applications require a lot mpore horse power > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > on discs (except for the free web applications I've > downloaded). Other than my email files and other > documents, what else should I back up? Some applications store the data with the program, not in the My Documents folder. Jot down settings > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option > so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. By all means, update to Windows 98 2nd edition. As crappy as it is, it's an improvement over V1 in stability and speed. You can download the update from the Misrofot site for nothing, or get it from them on CD for 5 bucks. Windows 2000 is a major upgrade that may (or may not) be compatible with your older applications. The procedure is straight forward if you do not run into unforeseen specific problems: 1. Make start up disk. Make sure that it actually boots the computer up and that the CD drive is operational (VERY IMPORTANT). 2. Back up *all* your data. Don't bother with applications, but make sure you know all settings. 3. Boot from the startup disk. If you wish to modify partitions on the HDD, this is an excellent time to do so, using FDISK. 4. Format each partition on the hard drive using FORMAT. 5. Install Windows. 6. Install all drivers. 7. Install applications. 8. Restore data. -- Ron > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > application that you are still using. > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > This computer flies... > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > the space required for video editing. > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 15:39:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:39:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <35.1f07af2a.293efdfb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0E318B.895BA1CD@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 10:33:24 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Please do, Sam. And thanks for the info. > > BTW, is reformatting a hard drive considered the same thing as erasing and > re-installing all the data on it? > > Jim Volpatti >> > > yes... NO!!!! Formatting erases forever and DOES NOT install the data back. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Wed Dec 5 17:21:59 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:21:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0E3144.ACD57B84@concentric.net> Message-ID: Shouldn't that be FORMAT C: /S in order to get a bootable hard disk? David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 05 December 2001 14:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > exactly what I had in mind. > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > consider reformatting my hard drive (what exactly > does this mean and why is it necessary) You boot up your computer from a start up disk that contains file format.com. You key in 'format C: /U' and 'enter'. It takes a few minutes to half an hour and when done, your hard disk is empty and squeaky clean. Nothing of the old stuff remains. > changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and ports, > etc. You shouldn't be required to do this. Most BIOS versions let you load default settings, which should be sufficient for most uses. IRQs and ports should be automatically assigned by windows. > I just might fire up my old computer for internet > access so I can ask you guys for help should I need > any. You centainly should have internet access, to download any driver you may be missing. Before starting the operation, it's a good idea to visit all vendor sites and download the latest driver versions. > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II with 128MB, 32MB > of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 > floppy. depends on your applications. If as old as the machine, this setup should suffice. Some new applications require a lot mpore horse power > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > on discs (except for the free web applications I've > downloaded). Other than my email files and other > documents, what else should I back up? Some applications store the data with the program, not in the My Documents folder. Jot down settings > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option > so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. By all means, update to Windows 98 2nd edition. As crappy as it is, it's an improvement over V1 in stability and speed. You can download the update from the Misrofot site for nothing, or get it from them on CD for 5 bucks. Windows 2000 is a major upgrade that may (or may not) be compatible with your older applications. The procedure is straight forward if you do not run into unforeseen specific problems: 1. Make start up disk. Make sure that it actually boots the computer up and that the CD drive is operational (VERY IMPORTANT). 2. Back up *all* your data. Don't bother with applications, but make sure you know all settings. 3. Boot from the startup disk. If you wish to modify partitions on the HDD, this is an excellent time to do so, using FDISK. 4. Format each partition on the hard drive using FORMAT. 5. Install Windows. 6. Install all drivers. 7. Install applications. 8. Restore data. -- Ron > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > application that you are still using. > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > This computer flies... > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > the space required for video editing. > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <019201c17dab$657fd2c0$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Jim Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP is 2000 plus dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months and now the Pro. version. You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it soon as the DDR 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for $80 delivered is today $103 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in mind. > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting my hard drive (what > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I can ask you guys > for help should I need any. > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 floppy. > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except for the free web > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other documents, what else > should I back up? > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > application that you are still using. > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > This computer flies... > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > the space required for video editing. > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 17:41:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:41:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: Message-ID: <3C0E4E26.ADA408FD@concentric.net> David Lefebvre wrote: > > Shouldn't that be FORMAT C: /S in order to get a bootable hard disk? No, that should be FORMAT C: /U -- the /U switch prevents wasting space for unformatting capability. The /S will result in copying the system from the startup diskette to the newly formatted HDD. Better let the Windows CD do the same thing. You do NOT want a bootable HDD after formatting, because this boot will not include the CD-ROM and other drivers required to install Windows and is useless, anyway. -- Ron > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 05 December 2001 14:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > > exactly what I had in mind. > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > > consider reformatting my hard drive (what exactly > > does this mean and why is it necessary) > > You boot up your computer from a start up disk that > contains file format.com. You key in 'format C: /U' > and 'enter'. It takes a few minutes to half an hour > and when done, your hard disk is empty and squeaky > clean. Nothing of the old stuff remains. > > > changing bios settings, reassigning irqs and ports, > > etc. > > You shouldn't be required to do this. Most BIOS versions > let you load default settings, which should be sufficient > for most uses. IRQs and ports should be automatically > assigned by windows. > > > I just might fire up my old computer for internet > > access so I can ask you guys for help should I need > > any. > > You centainly should have internet access, to download > any driver you may be missing. Before starting the > operation, it's a good idea to visit all vendor sites > and download the latest driver versions. > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > > standards. I have a 550MHz Pentium II with 128MB, 32MB > > of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 > > floppy. > > depends on your applications. If as old as the machine, > this setup should suffice. Some new applications require > a lot mpore horse power > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > > on discs (except for the free web applications I've > > downloaded). Other than my email files and other > > documents, what else should I back up? > > Some applications store the data with the program, not in > the My Documents folder. Jot down settings > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > > using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option > > so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > By all means, update to Windows 98 2nd edition. As crappy > as it is, it's an improvement over V1 in stability and > speed. You can download the update from the Misrofot site > for nothing, or get it from them on CD for 5 bucks. Windows > 2000 is a major upgrade that may (or may not) be compatible > with your older applications. > > The procedure is straight forward if you do not run into > unforeseen specific problems: > > 1. Make start up disk. Make sure that it actually boots > the computer up and that the CD drive is operational > (VERY IMPORTANT). > > 2. Back up *all* your data. Don't bother with applications, > but make sure you know all settings. > > 3. Boot from the startup disk. If you wish to modify > partitions on the HDD, this is an excellent time to do > so, using FDISK. > > 4. Format each partition on the hard drive using FORMAT. > > 5. Install Windows. > > 6. Install all drivers. > > 7. Install applications. > > 8. Restore data. > > -- Ron > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 5 18:32:21 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:32:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <00e301c17db2$cbe64100$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Tiberius You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some cash for it. I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 Where do you live? if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and forget table. The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter aligned difficult. The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply up there with the best easily beating a lp12. Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk it may save you money. The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial change in bass response and silence of background noise. getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are availeable from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up there with some very good arms like the sme 5. also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although okay had a much less refined arm. hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > I've settled on several tables: > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > OR > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > michell gyro SE > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn > many variations over the years. > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > Ciao > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > fine. Is there > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > many > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > I'd > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > amps). > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > "audiophile" > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > much > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > seen a > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > stand. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Wed Dec 5 18:45:35 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:45:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... References: Message-ID: <003b01c17db4$a5290a00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had no complaints. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Herda" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work fine. Is there > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > Looks, of course. Cement might be functional, but it's also ugly. > > joel > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Dec 5 18:52:22 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:52:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... References: <16dc01c17d2c$392d7d00$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Any words about Trio (Kenwood) tuner TK-500? Halpf of it made with tubes (two twin triodes and nuvistor) and rest made of transistors. It was made somwhere around 1960. Misha >The TU-X1 & 9900 are nice tuners, and can certainly be made to sound better, >but I think an MR78/MR80 are much better among ss tuners. And, of course, >nothing beats the Mac & Marantz tube tuners for sound. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 19:11:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:11:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> <019201c17dab$657fd2c0$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C0E6361.2AF3999E@concentric.net> Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to rummage through your computer every time you change the hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for 100MHz front bus). -- Ron "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Jim > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP is 2000 plus > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months and now the Pro. > version. > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it soon as the DDR > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for $80 delivered is > today $103 > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in > mind. > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting > my hard drive (what > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, > reassigning irqs and > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I > can ask you guys > > for help should I need any. > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have > a 550MHz Pentium II > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 > floppy. > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except > for the free web > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > documents, what else > > should I back up? > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. > XP doesn't seem > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:18:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:18:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) References: Message-ID: <3C0E6511.DE53C09D@earthlink.net> Thanks for the history lesson, Eddy. I've narrowed my decision to W98v2 or W2000. I'll let you know when I decide. Jim Volpatti POLLET Eddy wrote: > Hi (again) Jim, > > To put things in some kind of historic perspective : > in the beginning there was MS-DOS (not entirely true but it'll do), which > ran happily in a few tens of K's . Then MS copied the ideas of the GUI and > created Windows up until 3.11 (as a matter of fact IBM created it, but MS > made the money out of it), which could get away with a few Mb of memory . > The next step was in fact Windows NT, aimed at the professional market, that > could afford to throw away all their PC's and replace them with 64 Mb models > . For the home user, this option was inconceivable, so MS got out W95, able > to run in 8 Mb, and happy with 16 Mb . This step could be done by the > non-professional user, since the typical PC had enough slots for the extra > memory . The step that remained to be taken to NT however, was still rather > big, so W98 was introduced (still basically an MS-DOS with a GUI) . W98 > offered the advantage that it could run in relatively low memory, AND it > supported USB, was (more or less) plug and play, and basically much easier > to deal with than NT (V4) . > With all new PC's having USB, MS needed to do something for the professional > market too, so they made Millenium (or W2000), which is basically an upgrade > of NT4 to which some plug and play was added . To run it comfortably, you > need 128 Mb, but that's no longer a real problem on relatively recent PC's . > The two lines (W9x and NT) are now merged together in XP that should offer > the good sides of both lines . > The "consumer" line (W3.11-W95-W98) offers relative ease of usage and > installation, a better user interface but has terrible security holes in it > . > The "professional line" (NT4-2000) is infinitely better on a architectural > point of view ... in the first place because it's not any longer an MS-DOS > that is hidden behind the interface . It offers a really big control over > what the user can and cannot do, thanks to its registry (idea also > introduced in W98) . > I wouldn't jump on XP yet ... but I think 2000 is probably the most reliable > option there is for the moment : it offers most of the ease of W98 and the > good base of NT . > > Eddy > > ... but when I were to buy a new computer, it would be a Macintosh :-) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 19:31:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:31:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... References: <16dc01c17d2c$392d7d00$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <187701c17dbb$14a1f800$403442cf@sank1> I've never given Trio/Kenwood stuff a fair listen, due to the build quality always being anywhere from mediocre to frightening. Especially in the '60's. I'd frankly be shocked if any of it sounded competitively good. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... > Hi Stephen, > > Any words about Trio (Kenwood) tuner TK-500? > Halpf of it made with tubes (two twin triodes and nuvistor) > and rest made of transistors. It was made somwhere > around 1960. > > Misha > > >The TU-X1 & 9900 are nice tuners, and can certainly be made to sound better, > >but I think an MR78/MR80 are much better among ss tuners. And, of course, > >nothing beats the Mac & Marantz tube tuners for sound. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:30:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:30:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C0E67BD.952FF2BB@earthlink.net> Graham, What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge and phono stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with the same arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Carl > > Can't offer much advice on this save to say, yes, I think you're right that > some of the old TTs can outplay more modern designs. (I am seriously > considering getting rid of my PT TOO simply because I think my latest Lenco > (GL78), which is in really excellent condition, is at least as good.) > > However, to comment on what you have noted, I had a standard RB300 on my PT > TOO and sent it to Origin Live for modification. The mod' was the "full > monty" - that is, the design change (an adaptation to the counter-weight) > and silver wire re-wiring with a fresh interconnect of their specification, > too. The cost of the modification gives a lot of bang for the buck. > > Also, I've not lived with the Roksan or Mitchell decks but have had the > chance to hear both sets. Frankly, my impressions are that the Mitchell is > a lot prettier than it sounds! Not to say it's crap but, to my ear, the > Roksan's offer an altogether a better, more natural sound. Of the Roksan's > I probably preferred the Xerxes. (With a good arm and cartridge I'd > suggests these can probably give a higher spec' LP12 a run for its money! > But then, I'm daft enough to think my GL78 could do as well!!! ) > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:37:19 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <00e301c17db2$cbe64100$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Warren Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The two tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a lot of them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and the Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; there is a standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon for 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I think I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, Koetsu, and Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hi Tiberius You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some cash for it. I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 Where do you live? if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and forget table. The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter aligned difficult. The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply up there with the best easily beating a lp12. Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk it may save you money. The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial change in bass response and silence of background noise. getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are availeable from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up there with some very good arms like the sme 5. also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although okay had a much less refined arm. hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > I've settled on several tables: > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > OR > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > michell gyro SE > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn > many variations over the years. > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > Ciao > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > fine. Is there > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > many > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > I'd > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > amps). > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > "audiophile" > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > much > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > seen a > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > stand. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 5 19:40:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:40:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <187f01c17dbc$54527be0$403442cf@sank1> I thoroughly agree on staying off the LP-12. Besides so many versions, the mech engineering is far from elegant & the electronics are downright horrible. I'm not up on the latest & greatest, but I know vintage pretty well. My personal favorites, in descending order are: Nakamichi Dragon CT (back on topic!) Nak TX-1000 w/SME IV Fairchild 412 (what I have now, with dad's custom tube 3-speed servo, original SME 3009 & RCA BDR-1 arms) Oracle Alexandria(first version) w/stock Oracle arm(a beautifully engineering version of LP-12) Dual CS-5000 Dual 701 Thorens TD-125mkII w/SME Thorens TD-160mkII w/SME There are tables I'm forgetting right now, but I'll chime in later if I think I should. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Carl > > Can't offer much advice on this save to say, yes, I think you're right that > some of the old TTs can outplay more modern designs. (I am seriously > considering getting rid of my PT TOO simply because I think my latest Lenco > (GL78), which is in really excellent condition, is at least as good.) > > However, to comment on what you have noted, I had a standard RB300 on my PT > TOO and sent it to Origin Live for modification. The mod' was the "full > monty" - that is, the design change (an adaptation to the counter-weight) > and silver wire re-wiring with a fresh interconnect of their specification, > too. The cost of the modification gives a lot of bang for the buck. > > Also, I've not lived with the Roksan or Mitchell decks but have had the > chance to hear both sets. Frankly, my impressions are that the Mitchell is > a lot prettier than it sounds! Not to say it's crap but, to my ear, the > Roksan's offer an altogether a better, more natural sound. Of the Roksan's > I probably preferred the Xerxes. (With a good arm and cartridge I'd > suggests these can probably give a higher spec' LP12 a run for its money! > But then, I'm daft enough to think my GL78 could do as well!!! ) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 05 December 2001 08:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > I've settled on several tables: > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > OR > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > michell gyro SE > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn > many variations over the years. > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > Ciao > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:57:50 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:57:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, Thanks for the info; I like the Roksan Xerxes, too, but there are few for sale. Guess I'll just hold on a wait. Can you tell me about the Roksan Radius model with the Tabriz arm? They go pretty inexpensively and I read one review that said it is a pretty good table (non reference quality, of course, though). There are a couple of these on ebay right now. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Carl Can't offer much advice on this save to say, yes, I think you're right that some of the old TTs can outplay more modern designs. (I am seriously considering getting rid of my PT TOO simply because I think my latest Lenco (GL78), which is in really excellent condition, is at least as good.) However, to comment on what you have noted, I had a standard RB300 on my PT TOO and sent it to Origin Live for modification. The mod' was the "full monty" - that is, the design change (an adaptation to the counter-weight) and silver wire re-wiring with a fresh interconnect of their specification, too. The cost of the modification gives a lot of bang for the buck. Also, I've not lived with the Roksan or Mitchell decks but have had the chance to hear both sets. Frankly, my impressions are that the Mitchell is a lot prettier than it sounds! Not to say it's crap but, to my ear, the Roksan's offer an altogether a better, more natural sound. Of the Roksan's I probably preferred the Xerxes. (With a good arm and cartridge I'd suggests these can probably give a higher spec' LP12 a run for its money! But then, I'm daft enough to think my GL78 could do as well!!! ) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 05 December 2001 08:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. I've settled on several tables: new audio note TT! $ 750 new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) OR used well tempered classic (w/well arm) roksan radius w/tabriz arm roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) michell gyro SE I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn many variations over the years. any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. Ciao Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 20:10:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:10:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <3C0E711D.4CD6ECF9@earthlink.net> The Gyro/RB300/Benz Glider combination is very difficult to beat for the money. Great synergy! I'd seriously consider the Express Machining or Origin Live RB300 mods. It's money very well spent. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > Warren > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The two > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a lot of > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and the > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; there is a > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon for > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I think > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, Koetsu, and > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > Regards, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 5 20:12:44 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:12:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> <019201c17dab$657fd2c0$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C0E6361.2AF3999E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <02bd01c17dc0$d2473780$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be prohibitive for most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's verification process very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising memory prices. Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about Windows 95, 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in Philadelphia the other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the audience and the Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) Back to Nakamichi..... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > rummage through your computer every time you change the > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > 100MHz front bus). > > -- Ron > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > Jim > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP is 2000 plus > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months and now the Pro. > > version. > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it soon as the DDR > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for $80 delivered is > > today $103 > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > > dummies!) > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had in > > mind. > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider reformatting > > my hard drive (what > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios settings, > > reassigning irqs and > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access so I > > can ask you guys > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I have > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and 1.44 > > floppy. > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs (except > > for the free web > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > > documents, what else > > > should I back up? > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. > > XP doesn't seem > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 5 20:29:05 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:29:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <014e01c17dc3$1a67f5c0$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> If you go with the gyro you should get the michel vta adjuster for the rb300 or rb 250. The upgrades that are worthwhile for the rega arms are the origin live rebuild and the incognoto wiring harness. Now as for a cartridge what preamp are you using and what is your budget there are good mm such as the grados and the clearaudio arum beta s (under $500.00) for mc's my favourite right now is the Lyra Helikon but that is probably outside your budget the koetsu's are nice especially if you import them yourself from the singapore importer (like half the US price) the sumiko celebration is very good too. The Benz glider and the new ACE are great MC's for the money with the ace as good as the old glider in getting a musical sound off the black stuff. but I would go with something like the clearaudio arum to keep my budget down and save my pennies for more vinyl. Or if you have enough gain in the phono stage finding a denon 103d would be a very musical MC for about $250.00 US hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Warren > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The two > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a lot of > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and the > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; there is a > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon for > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I think > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, Koetsu, and > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Dec 5 20:31:45 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:31:45 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... References: <187701c17dbb$14a1f800$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Build quality... hm, I would say that this one build like a small tank :-) Actualy it's 1959 and build like a tube unit - some pcb with transistors added istead of tubes. Maybe the last tube one? :-) Sound is very good for my ears - unfortunately not too much to listen in those times. Only one station left that translate jazz and bluez, the rest speading the modern junk and has absolutely no taste... So, anyway not too much use for this tuner. Another question - do you have any expirience with Yamaha CD? Not average stuff but top of the line (from 1998 I guess) CDX-2200? This one is heavy!!! Misha >I've never given Trio/Kenwood stuff a fair listen, due to the build quality >always being anywhere from mediocre to frightening. Especially in the >'60's. I'd frankly be shocked if any of it sounded competitively good. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 5 23:10:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:10:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> <019201c17dab$657fd2c0$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C0E6361.2AF3999E@concentric.net> <02bd01c17dc0$d2473780$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C0E9B73.AC006688@concentric.net> John, As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading out of your machine and exactly what information about your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. -- Ron "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be prohibitive for > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's verification process > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising memory prices. > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about Windows 95, > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in Philadelphia the > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the audience and the > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP is 2000 plus > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months and now the > Pro. > > > version. > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it soon as the > DDR > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for $80 delivered > is > > > today $103 > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had > in > > > mind. > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider > reformatting > > > my hard drive (what > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios > settings, > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access > so I > > > can ask you guys > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I > have > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and > 1.44 > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs > (except > > > for the free web > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > > > documents, what else > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 > v1. > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 23:26:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:26:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 References: <146.5bb86a6.293e951a@aol.com> <3C0D4473.854531C0@earthlink.net> <16be01c17d2a$c734a8a0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C0E9F11.1A79CCFA@yahoo.com> Oh! Simulcast Like the MR66 Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > The TU-X1 simply has separate AM & FM tuning gang capacitors, like an old > pre-mpx "stereo" tuner(where one channel was on FM & the other was on AM). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU-X1 > > > Two tuners or the ability to connect two antennas and have the tuner > choose the one > > that yields best performance at any given moment (diversity tuning)? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > Here's a few pics of the insides of the TU-X1: > > > > > > http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tu-x1.htm > > > > > > I'm sure some of the high prices these have fetched on eBay are due to > the > > > rare availability. They're great performers, but they are hard to find. > > > It's basically two separate tuners housed in one box. Isn't the new > McIntosh > > > (not to open that can of worms again) tuner two separate tuners in the > same > > > box as well? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 00:09:00 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:09:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <00e301c17db2$cbe64100$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Graham, I am in san francisco area and budget is zero to 1200 plus cartridge or 1600 w/ cartridge. I s/b able to get something nice if I am patient. I decided to go ahead and start at the beginning (ie...at the needle/table) and stick with existing electronics until the table is set. Only two tables of any quality I've owned are the existing Rega 2 (mit rb200) and a late 80's Thorens TD160 Super w/Grace 707 Mk II/Dynavector Ruby and Grace F9E I've made no commitments so far; anybody in the bay area have a nice rig for sale similar to what I am looking for? I also want to ensure that anything I buy is a current manufacturer; ie, no orphans. Am also looking for a buyer for my rega planar two; price is right. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hi Tiberius You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some cash for it. I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 Where do you live? if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and forget table. The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter aligned difficult. The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply up there with the best easily beating a lp12. Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk it may save you money. The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial change in bass response and silence of background noise. getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are availeable from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up there with some very good arms like the sme 5. also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although okay had a much less refined arm. hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > I've settled on several tables: > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > OR > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > michell gyro SE > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn > many variations over the years. > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > Ciao > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > fine. Is there > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > many > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > I'd > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > amps). > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > "audiophile" > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > much > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > seen a > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > stand. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 6 02:04:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:04:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... References: <187701c17dbb$14a1f800$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <18b501c17df2$060da640$403442cf@sank1> The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of platter motor, if memory serves. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Sansui TU Tuners... > Hi Stephen, > > Build quality... hm, I would say that this one build like a small tank :-) > Actualy it's 1959 and build like a tube unit - some pcb with transistors > added istead of tubes. Maybe the last tube one? :-) Sound is very > good for my ears - unfortunately not too much to listen in those > times. Only one station left that translate jazz and bluez, the rest speading > the modern junk and has absolutely no taste... So, anyway not too much > use for this tuner. > Another question - do you have any expirience with Yamaha CD? > Not average stuff but top of the line (from 1998 I guess) CDX-2200? > This one is heavy!!! > > Misha > > > > >I've never given Trio/Kenwood stuff a fair listen, due to the build quality > >always being anywhere from mediocre to frightening. Especially in the > >'60's. I'd frankly be shocked if any of it sounded competitively good. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Dec 6 01:47:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:47:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> <187f01c17dbc$54527be0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c17df5$3ad85480$69289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, just curious, why and in what area do you prefer Dual 701 over either Thorens model ? same question for preference over the SME arm ... stuff that I dislike on Dual is transfomer mounted on steel plinth (which is also arm base) and contacts on headshell. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > I thoroughly agree on staying off the LP-12. Besides so many versions, the > mech engineering is far from elegant & the electronics are downright > horrible. > I'm not up on the latest & greatest, but I know vintage pretty well. My > personal favorites, in descending order are: > Nakamichi Dragon CT (back on topic!) > Nak TX-1000 w/SME IV > Fairchild 412 (what I have now, with dad's custom tube 3-speed servo, > original SME 3009 & RCA BDR-1 arms) > Oracle Alexandria(first version) w/stock Oracle arm(a beautifully > engineering version of LP-12) > Dual CS-5000 > Dual 701 > Thorens TD-125mkII w/SME > Thorens TD-160mkII w/SME > > There are tables I'm forgetting right now, but I'll chime in later if I > think I should. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 6 02:43:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:43:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001301c17d81$29386720$fe8987d9@a4s1s2> <187f01c17dbc$54527be0$403442cf@sank1> <000001c17df5$3ad85480$69289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <18dd01c17df7$65bd8d80$403442cf@sank1> The 701 has a really nice motor and a very non-resonant platter. And it sounds great, at least with a Shure V15VMR on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Stephen, just curious, why and in what area do you prefer Dual 701 over > either Thorens model ? same question for preference over the SME arm ... > stuff that I dislike on Dual is transfomer mounted on steel plinth (which is > also arm base) and contacts on headshell. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I thoroughly agree on staying off the LP-12. Besides so many versions, > the > > mech engineering is far from elegant & the electronics are downright > > horrible. > > I'm not up on the latest & greatest, but I know vintage pretty well. My > > personal favorites, in descending order are: > > Nakamichi Dragon CT (back on topic!) > > Nak TX-1000 w/SME IV > > Fairchild 412 (what I have now, with dad's custom tube 3-speed servo, > > original SME 3009 & RCA BDR-1 arms) > > Oracle Alexandria(first version) w/stock Oracle arm(a beautifully > > engineering version of LP-12) > > Dual CS-5000 > > Dual 701 > > Thorens TD-125mkII w/SME > > Thorens TD-160mkII w/SME > > > > There are tables I'm forgetting right now, but I'll chime in later if I > > think I should. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 02:47:44 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:47:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C0E711D.4CD6ECF9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I already ordered an Audio Note ARM2 (rb300 with silver wire, counterweight mods); now I need the table. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions The Gyro/RB300/Benz Glider combination is very difficult to beat for the money. Great synergy! I'd seriously consider the Express Machining or Origin Live RB300 mods. It's money very well spent. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > Warren > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The two > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a lot of > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and the > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; there is a > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon for > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I think > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, Koetsu, and > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > Regards, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 02:47:53 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:47:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <00e301c17db2$cbe64100$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Opinions on a Goldmund Studiette table with T5 tangential tracking air bearing arm; dealer will take 1500 for it without cartridge. It has the original box/packaging materials. Dealer says it looks/performs as new. Thoughts on the price (other than its a lot of money)? Anybody have any experience with this thing? I assume it is more maintenance intensive due to the arm. I remember a lively discussion of the merits of air tracking and tangential arms a couple of weeks back. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hi Tiberius You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some cash for it. I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 Where do you live? if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and forget table. The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter aligned difficult. The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply up there with the best easily beating a lp12. Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk it may save you money. The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial change in bass response and silence of background noise. getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are availeable from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up there with some very good arms like the sme 5. also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although okay had a much less refined arm. hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > I've settled on several tables: > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > OR > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > michell gyro SE > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn > many variations over the years. > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > Ciao > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to at > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into the > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > fine. Is there > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And so > many > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > I'd > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > amps). > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > "audiophile" > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make that > much > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > seen a > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > stand. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 6 02:51:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011203.215522.-219967.5.josephj69@juno.com> <3C0D241A.261EFFB0@concentric.net> <3C0D55D2.A66C1E58@yahoo.com> <3C0D59AC.D6255610@earthlink.net> <3C0D7C3D.C8A25FB7@concentric.net> <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> <019201c17dab$657fd2c0$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C0E6361.2AF3999E@concentric.net> <02bd01c17dc0$d2473780$99756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C0E9B73.AC006688@concentric.net> Message-ID: <18ec01c17df8$901d8660$403442cf@sank1> I agree with you on the XP issue, Ron. I wouldn't trust MS or Gates with my library card number, let alone info on my pc. Did you see Gates being interviewed on Charlie Rose the day of XP's intro? He was totally flippant about the privacy question. I think he believes that nobody has a right to privacy, unless they're a billionaire. And how obnoxious is it that you can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license fee? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > > John, > > As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather > minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC > World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be > installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP > I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. > > As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do > Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading > out of your machine and exactly what information about > your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous > responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least > in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, > if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. > > -- Ron > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be prohibitive for > > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's verification process > > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising memory prices. > > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about Windows 95, > > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in Philadelphia the > > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the audience and the > > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP is 2000 plus > > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months and now the > > Pro. > > > > version. > > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it soon as the > > DDR > > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for $80 delivered > > is > > > > today $103 > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is exactly what I had > > in > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I consider > > reformatting > > > > my hard drive (what > > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing bios > > settings, > > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for internet access > > so I > > > > can ask you guys > > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's standards. I > > have > > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, 100MB zip and > > 1.44 > > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware on discs > > (except > > > > for the free web > > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files and other > > > > documents, what else > > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 > > v1. > > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, or > > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only recently > > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor (replacing > > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB before) > > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I had > > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh CD-RW > > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to last > > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled Windows > > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply justified. > > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard drive > > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will provide > > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind of > > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with *something*, > > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start doing > > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Dec 6 02:37:50 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:37:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Message-ID: <20011205.204913.-246371.1.josephj69@juno.com> Carl, I've been through it all with turntables, arms and cartridges, and I'm finally happy with mine (almost). For tables, I swear by the high end Micro Seiki models, especially those with an air bearing for the platter. However, they are very expensive, and nearly impossible to find, even if you do have the money. The one brand no one has mentioned yet that is worth investigation is VPI. All of their tables are well made, well engineered, and sound very good for the money (especially used). Keep in mind that VPI is very much still in business and doing well, so any parts and support should be easy to come by if you need it. This is an important factor to consider, since several of the models you mentioned are out of business or no longer have representation in the US. Avoid the VPI's tonearms, however. By all means, avoid LP12s. If you live in England, they're not bad for the money, but they are far from state of the art turntables. Remember that we Americans pay 2 - 3 times as much for most Bristish imports (ESPECIALLY Rega products - don't get me started on that). In the event you end up with a Gyro, I have an aluminum Gyro arm board here that is pre-drilled for a Rega arm using Mitchell's (VERY COOL) VTA adjuster. You'll have to buy the adjuster from Mitchell ($40) to use this board, but it's well worth it. Tonearms are a no-brainer. Use an SME 3012 transcription length arm, if it will fit on the table you buy. There are more expensive and more elaborate arms out there, but none of them outperform the 3012 with an MC cartridge - period. Otherwise, buy an Origin Live modified Rega RB-250. You can get one with all of the mods except the cable upgrade for about $300 direct from OL. That is $25 LESS than a Rega dealer will charge you for an UNMODIFIED arm! Even without the cable upgrade, this is more tonearm than anyone really needs. Phono cartridges are even easier. Depending on your price point go with: Denon DL-103 ($130 from Galen Carol Audio or any dealer in Europe), Shelter 501 Mk.II ($550 from EIFL Japan), or Shelter 901 ($1,300 from EIFL Japan). The Denon 103 is an absolutely amazing bargain. Many people have told me that you really have to go to the Shelter 501 to get something significantly better. The Shelter 901 is, IMO, the best cartridge availble today. It is only available in Japan, but EIFL exports them consumer-direct to America and they are very customer-friendly. You can check other people's opinions on the Shelters (and EIFL) at Audio Asylum. I've not heard the 501 myelf, but I'm told it's a bargain at its price. . Note that all of these are MC cartridges and require a suitable preamp or transformer. If you must go with a MM cartridge, you can't really lose with any of the Grados. Get the best one you can afford. As a final word, avoid ANY ANALOG PRODUCT manufactured by Clearaudio of Germany. The turntables are horrendous, and the cartridges are worse. Good luck, Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > Warren > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The > two > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a > lot of > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and > the > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; > there is a > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon > for > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I > think > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, > Koetsu, and > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get > some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega > 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice > arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set > and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the > used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used > market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with > arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The > used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to > work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode > 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could > make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've > never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of > custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Dec 6 02:51:18 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:51:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Message-ID: <20011205.205328.-246371.2.josephj69@juno.com> Can't comment on the Goldmund table, but I hate linear arms. I have Souther here - it's total joke. - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:47:53 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > Opinions on a Goldmund Studiette table with T5 tangential tracking > air > bearing arm; dealer will take 1500 for it without cartridge. It has > the > original box/packaging materials. Dealer says it looks/performs as > new. > Thoughts on the price (other than its a lot of money)? > > Anybody have any experience with this thing? I assume it is more > maintenance intensive due to the arm. I remember a lively discussion > of the > merits of air tracking and tangential arms a couple of weeks back. > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get > some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega > 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice > arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set > and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the > used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used > market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with > arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The > used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to > work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode > 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could > make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've > never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of > custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > -------------== > ======= > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Dec 6 02:53:24 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:53:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Message-ID: <20011205.205328.-246371.3.josephj69@juno.com> What did this cost you??? A wire upgrade to a Rega arm will not bring you anywhere near the performance of the structural mods Origin Live does to these arms. After the OL mods, you end up with something that is a totally different animal. The modifcations have profound effects on the arm's performance. Of course, you could still send your already re-wired arm to OL and have the structural mods done. - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:47:44 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > I already ordered an Audio Note ARM2 (rb300 with silver wire, > counterweight > mods); now I need the table. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > The Gyro/RB300/Benz Glider combination is very difficult to beat for > the > money. Great > synergy! I'd seriously consider the Express Machining or Origin Live > RB300 > mods. It's > money very well spent. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > Warren > > > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. > The two > > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are > a lot > of > > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro > and the > > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; > there is a > > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon > for > > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. > I think > > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, > Koetsu, and > > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > Hi Tiberius > > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and > get some > > cash for it. > > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > okay > > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a > rega 3 > > > > Where do you live? > > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, > nice arm > > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a > set and > > forget table. > > > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > platter > > aligned difficult. > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > silicone > are > > availeable > > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is > up > > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > although > > okay had a much less refined arm. > > hth > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > arm no > > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on > the used > > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult > used > market > > if > > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > weightmod) > > > > > > OR > > > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > > michell gyro SE > > > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > are so > > damn > > > many variations over the years. > > > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model > with arm > and > > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. > The used > > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > with an > > arm > > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > > > Ciao > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > bolted to > > at > > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > feet into > > the > > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > crap! > > > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem > to work > > > fine. Is there > > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > Time, > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > secret. And > > so > > > many > > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > equipment. > > > I'd > > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my > Moscode 1000 > > > amps). > > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > high-priced > > > "audiophile" > > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood > could make > > that > > > much > > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, > I've never > > > seen a > > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type > of > custom > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Dec 6 02:55:44 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:55:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <20011205.205545.-246371.4.josephj69@juno.com> Hey, I think this is a good thing. Maybe there will be massive consumer backlash against Micrososoft on the privacy issue and people will look for something else. Then just maybe we can all move on to Linux (or any other operating system that actually works). - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > I agree with you on the XP issue, Ron. I wouldn't trust MS or Gates > with my > library card number, let alone info on my pc. Did you see Gates > being > interviewed on Charlie Rose the day of XP's intro? He was totally > flippant > about the privacy question. I think he believes that nobody has a > right to > privacy, unless they're a billionaire. And how obnoxious is it that > you > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license > fee? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > dummies!) > > > > > > John, > > > > As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather > > minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC > > World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be > > installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP > > I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. > > > > As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do > > Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading > > out of your machine and exactly what information about > > your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous > > responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least > > in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, > > if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be > prohibitive > for > > > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's > verification > process > > > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising > memory > prices. > > > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about > Windows > 95, > > > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in > Philadelphia the > > > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the > audience and > the > > > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > > > > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP > is 2000 > plus > > > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months > and now > the > > > Pro. > > > > > version. > > > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it > soon as > the > > > DDR > > > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for > $80 > delivered > > > is > > > > > today $103 > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling > Windows (for > > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > exactly what I > had > > > in > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > consider > > > reformatting > > > > > my hard drive (what > > > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing > bios > > > settings, > > > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for > internet > access > > > so I > > > > > can ask you guys > > > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > standards. > I > > > have > > > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, > 100MB zip > and > > > 1.44 > > > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > on discs > > > (except > > > > > for the free web > > > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files > and other > > > > > documents, what else > > > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > using > Windows 98 > > > v1. > > > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more > up to > 2000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, > or > > > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only > recently > > > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor > (replacing > > > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB > before) > > > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I > had > > > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh > CD-RW > > > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to > last > > > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled > Windows > > > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft > browse > > > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply > justified. > > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard > drive > > > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will > provide > > > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind > of > > > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with > *something*, > > > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start > doing > > > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 04:16:53 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:16:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <02b101c17e04$742f2420$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> The arm is a nightmare the table is pretty good though. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Opinions on a Goldmund Studiette table with T5 tangential tracking air > bearing arm; dealer will take 1500 for it without cartridge. It has the > original box/packaging materials. Dealer says it looks/performs as new. > Thoughts on the price (other than its a lot of money)? > > Anybody have any experience with this thing? I assume it is more > maintenance intensive due to the arm. I remember a lively discussion of the > merits of air tracking and tangential arms a couple of weeks back. > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 04:24:30 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:24:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <20011205.204913.-246371.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <02b701c17e05$84cc43c0$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> I'll second Carls recomendation of VPI tables but I find clearaudio cartridges to be pretty good having heard and or used in various systems that I trust the insider reference the arum beta s and the discovery The tables are fine *but* the souther arm is a pain in the ass only rivaled by the goldmund arms for not working reliably I have heard the shelter 501 and it is a nice cartridge it was sold here in the USA for a minute or so as the more expensive crown jewel The denon 103 has a spherical stylus and I think its much better to search out the eliptical 103d But since its better to do this as a system cartridge choice will be dependant on the arm chosen *and* the phono stage. YMMV Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Carl, > > > I've been through it all with turntables, arms and cartridges, and I'm > finally happy with mine (almost). > > For tables, I swear by the high end Micro Seiki models, especially those > with an air bearing for the platter. However, they are very expensive, > and nearly impossible to find, even if you do have the money. > > The one brand no one has mentioned yet that is worth investigation is > VPI. All of their tables are well made, well engineered, and sound very > good for the money (especially used). Keep in mind that VPI is very much > still in business and doing well, so any parts and support should be easy > to come by if you need it. This is an important factor to consider, > since several of the models you mentioned are out of business or no > longer have representation in the US. Avoid the VPI's tonearms, however. > > > By all means, avoid LP12s. If you live in England, they're not bad for > the money, but they are far from state of the art turntables. Remember > that we Americans pay 2 - 3 times as much for most Bristish imports > (ESPECIALLY Rega products - don't get me started on that). > > In the event you end up with a Gyro, I have an aluminum Gyro arm board > here that is pre-drilled for a Rega arm using Mitchell's (VERY COOL) VTA > adjuster. You'll have to buy the adjuster from Mitchell ($40) to use > this board, but it's well worth it. > > Tonearms are a no-brainer. Use an SME 3012 transcription length arm, if > it will fit on the table you buy. There are more expensive and more > elaborate arms out there, but none of them outperform the 3012 with an MC > cartridge - period. Otherwise, buy an Origin Live modified Rega RB-250. > You can get one with all of the mods except the cable upgrade for about > $300 direct from OL. That is $25 LESS than a Rega dealer will charge you > for an UNMODIFIED arm! Even without the cable upgrade, this is more > tonearm than anyone really needs. > > Phono cartridges are even easier. Depending on your price point go with: > Denon DL-103 ($130 from Galen Carol Audio or any dealer in Europe), > Shelter 501 Mk.II ($550 from EIFL Japan), or Shelter 901 ($1,300 from > EIFL Japan). > > The Denon 103 is an absolutely amazing bargain. Many people have told me > that you really have to go to the Shelter 501 to get something > significantly better. The Shelter 901 is, IMO, the best cartridge > availble today. It is only available in Japan, but EIFL exports them > consumer-direct to America and they are very customer-friendly. You can > check other people's opinions on the Shelters (and EIFL) at Audio Asylum. > I've not heard the 501 myelf, but I'm told it's a bargain at its price. > . > > Note that all of these are MC cartridges and require a suitable preamp or > transformer. If you must go with a MM cartridge, you can't really lose > with any of the Grados. Get the best one you can afford. > > As a final word, avoid ANY ANALOG PRODUCT manufactured by Clearaudio of > Germany. The turntables are horrendous, and the cartridges are worse. > > Good luck, > Joe > > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" > writes: > > Warren > > > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The > > two > > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a > > lot of > > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and > > the > > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; > > there is a > > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon > > for > > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I > > think > > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, > > Koetsu, and > > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > Hi Tiberius > > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get > > some > > cash for it. > > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > > okay > > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega > > 3 > > > > Where do you live? > > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice > > arm > > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set > > and > > forget table. > > > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > > platter > > aligned difficult. > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > > spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > > the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > > substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > > silicone are > > availeable > > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > > although > > okay had a much less refined arm. > > hth > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > > arm no > > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the > > used > > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used > > market > > if > > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > > weightmod) > > > > > > OR > > > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > > michell gyro SE > > > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > > are so > > damn > > > many variations over the years. > > > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with > > arm and > > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The > > used > > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > > with an > > arm > > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > > > Ciao > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > > bolted to > > at > > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > > feet into > > the > > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > > crap! > > > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to > > work > > > fine. Is there > > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > > Time, > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > > secret. And > > so > > > many > > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > > equipment. > > > I'd > > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode > > 1000 > > > amps). > > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > > high-priced > > > "audiophile" > > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could > > make > > that > > > much > > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've > > never > > > seen a > > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of > > custom > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 04:27:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:27:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <20011205.205328.-246371.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <02c301c17e05$f4454080$4eeb3fd0@oemcomputer> The audionote mods are roughly similar to the origin live mods. Everyone seems to be getting into the game of playing with the rb300 and rb250 express machining also makes a new counter weight and end stub Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > What did this cost you??? > > A wire upgrade to a Rega arm will not bring you anywhere near the > performance of the structural mods Origin Live does to these arms. After > the OL mods, you end up with something that is a totally different > animal. The modifcations have profound effects on the arm's performance. > > > Of course, you could still send your already re-wired arm to OL and have > the structural mods done. > > - Joe > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:47:44 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" > writes: > > I already ordered an Audio Note ARM2 (rb300 with silver wire, > > counterweight > > mods); now I need the table. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:10 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > The Gyro/RB300/Benz Glider combination is very difficult to beat for > > the > > money. Great > > synergy! I'd seriously consider the Express Machining or Origin Live > > RB300 > > mods. It's > > money very well spent. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > Warren > > > > > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. > > The two > > > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are > > a lot > > of > > > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro > > and the > > > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; > > there is a > > > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon > > for > > > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. > > I think > > > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > > > > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, > > Koetsu, and > > > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > Warren > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > Hi Tiberius > > > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and > > get some > > > cash for it. > > > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > > okay > > > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a > > rega 3 > > > > > > Where do you live? > > > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, > > nice arm > > > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > > > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a > > set and > > > forget table. > > > > > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > > > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > > platter > > > aligned difficult. > > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > > spec > > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > > the uk > > > it may save you money. > > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > > substantial > > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > > > > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > > > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > > silicone > > are > > > availeable > > > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is > > up > > > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > > > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > > although > > > okay had a much less refined arm. > > > hth > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > > arm no > > > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on > > the used > > > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult > > used > > market > > > if > > > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > > weightmod) > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > > > michell gyro SE > > > > > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > > are so > > > damn > > > > many variations over the years. > > > > > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model > > with arm > > and > > > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. > > The used > > > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > > with an > > > arm > > > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > > bolted to > > > at > > > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > > feet into > > > the > > > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > > crap! > > > > > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem > > to work > > > > fine. Is there > > > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > > Time, > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > > secret. And > > > so > > > > many > > > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > > equipment. > > > > I'd > > > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my > > Moscode 1000 > > > > amps). > > > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > > high-priced > > > > "audiophile" > > > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood > > could make > > > that > > > > much > > > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, > > I've never > > > > seen a > > > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type > > of > > custom > > > > stand. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 06:29:33 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:29:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <20011205.205545.-246371.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Time to check out Linux and the canned software that comes with most of the packages, maybe? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Hey, I think this is a good thing. Maybe there will be massive consumer backlash against Micrososoft on the privacy issue and people will look for something else. Then just maybe we can all move on to Linux (or any other operating system that actually works). - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > I agree with you on the XP issue, Ron. I wouldn't trust MS or Gates > with my > library card number, let alone info on my pc. Did you see Gates > being > interviewed on Charlie Rose the day of XP's intro? He was totally > flippant > about the privacy question. I think he believes that nobody has a > right to > privacy, unless they're a billionaire. And how obnoxious is it that > you > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license > fee? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > dummies!) > > > > > > John, > > > > As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather > > minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC > > World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be > > installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP > > I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. > > > > As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do > > Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading > > out of your machine and exactly what information about > > your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous > > responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least > > in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, > > if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be > prohibitive > for > > > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's > verification > process > > > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising > memory > prices. > > > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about > Windows > 95, > > > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in > Philadelphia the > > > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the > audience and > the > > > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > > > > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP > is 2000 > plus > > > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months > and now > the > > > Pro. > > > > > version. > > > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it > soon as > the > > > DDR > > > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for > $80 > delivered > > > is > > > > > today $103 > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling > Windows (for > > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > exactly what I > had > > > in > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > consider > > > reformatting > > > > > my hard drive (what > > > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing > bios > > > settings, > > > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for > internet > access > > > so I > > > > > can ask you guys > > > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > standards. > I > > > have > > > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, > 100MB zip > and > > > 1.44 > > > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > on discs > > > (except > > > > > for the free web > > > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files > and other > > > > > documents, what else > > > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > using > Windows 98 > > > v1. > > > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more > up to > 2000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, > or > > > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only > recently > > > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor > (replacing > > > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB > before) > > > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I > had > > > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh > CD-RW > > > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to > last > > > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled > Windows > > > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft > browse > > > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply > justified. > > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard > drive > > > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will > provide > > > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind > of > > > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with > *something*, > > > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start > doing > > > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 07:25:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:25:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <20011205.205328.-246371.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0F0F5E.B9759A70@earthlink.net> Again, I completely agree. Jim Volpatti josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > What did this cost you??? > > A wire upgrade to a Rega arm will not bring you anywhere near the > performance of the structural mods Origin Live does to these arms. After > the OL mods, you end up with something that is a totally different > animal. The modifcations have profound effects on the arm's performance. > > > Of course, you could still send your already re-wired arm to OL and have > the structural mods done. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 07:29:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:29:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <20011205.204913.-246371.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0F102E.80B543BF@earthlink.net> Carl, I second the recommendation on the Shelter 501 II. I have one here if you would like to have a listen. They are made by the same people who make the Crown Jewel SE cartridge, one of the very best MC I have ever heard. Being a Koetsu dealer, that's saying a lot! I also agree with Joe's assessment on Clearaudio products. It really makes me wonder how they get the positive press that they do. Let me know how I can help. Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity 415 928-2990 josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Carl, > > I've been through it all with turntables, arms and cartridges, and I'm > finally happy with mine (almost). > > For tables, I swear by the high end Micro Seiki models, especially those > with an air bearing for the platter. However, they are very expensive, > and nearly impossible to find, even if you do have the money. > > The one brand no one has mentioned yet that is worth investigation is > VPI. All of their tables are well made, well engineered, and sound very > good for the money (especially used). Keep in mind that VPI is very much > still in business and doing well, so any parts and support should be easy > to come by if you need it. This is an important factor to consider, > since several of the models you mentioned are out of business or no > longer have representation in the US. Avoid the VPI's tonearms, however. > > By all means, avoid LP12s. If you live in England, they're not bad for > the money, but they are far from state of the art turntables. Remember > that we Americans pay 2 - 3 times as much for most Bristish imports > (ESPECIALLY Rega products - don't get me started on that). > > In the event you end up with a Gyro, I have an aluminum Gyro arm board > here that is pre-drilled for a Rega arm using Mitchell's (VERY COOL) VTA > adjuster. You'll have to buy the adjuster from Mitchell ($40) to use > this board, but it's well worth it. > > Tonearms are a no-brainer. Use an SME 3012 transcription length arm, if > it will fit on the table you buy. There are more expensive and more > elaborate arms out there, but none of them outperform the 3012 with an MC > cartridge - period. Otherwise, buy an Origin Live modified Rega RB-250. > You can get one with all of the mods except the cable upgrade for about > $300 direct from OL. That is $25 LESS than a Rega dealer will charge you > for an UNMODIFIED arm! Even without the cable upgrade, this is more > tonearm than anyone really needs. > > Phono cartridges are even easier. Depending on your price point go with: > Denon DL-103 ($130 from Galen Carol Audio or any dealer in Europe), > Shelter 501 Mk.II ($550 from EIFL Japan), or Shelter 901 ($1,300 from > EIFL Japan). > > The Denon 103 is an absolutely amazing bargain. Many people have told me > that you really have to go to the Shelter 501 to get something > significantly better. The Shelter 901 is, IMO, the best cartridge > availble today. It is only available in Japan, but EIFL exports them > consumer-direct to America and they are very customer-friendly. You can > check other people's opinions on the Shelters (and EIFL) at Audio Asylum. > I've not heard the 501 myelf, but I'm told it's a bargain at its price. > . > > Note that all of these are MC cartridges and require a suitable preamp or > transformer. If you must go with a MM cartridge, you can't really lose > with any of the Grados. Get the best one you can afford. > > As a final word, avoid ANY ANALOG PRODUCT manufactured by Clearaudio of > Germany. The turntables are horrendous, and the cartridges are worse. > > Good luck, > Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Dec 6 08:53:00 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:53:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C02A@CPT-01> Like Joe i am very impressed with micro seiki although mine is not one of their top of the line. as for always needing parts and service i feel well engineered tables like the micro seiki should last. i don't know of too many people who have turntables falling apart so i feel people should take the risk and get second hand tables even if the company no longer exists. buying a cassette deck is far riskier in my opinion and CD players breakdown all the time (i've been through three myself). i'm sure their are companies who produced tables that have a dodgy reputation (the sagging plinth of roksan comes to mind) but none that i've noticed on sites like vinyl assylum. having said that i will probably be shot down by people with their war stories.... Neal -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com [mailto:josephj69 at juno.com] Sent: 06 December 2001 03:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Carl, I've been through it all with turntables, arms and cartridges, and I'm finally happy with mine (almost). For tables, I swear by the high end Micro Seiki models, especially those with an air bearing for the platter. However, they are very expensive, and nearly impossible to find, even if you do have the money. The one brand no one has mentioned yet that is worth investigation is VPI. All of their tables are well made, well engineered, and sound very good for the money (especially used). Keep in mind that VPI is very much still in business and doing well, so any parts and support should be easy to come by if you need it. This is an important factor to consider, since several of the models you mentioned are out of business or no longer have representation in the US. Avoid the VPI's tonearms, however. By all means, avoid LP12s. If you live in England, they're not bad for the money, but they are far from state of the art turntables. Remember that we Americans pay 2 - 3 times as much for most Bristish imports (ESPECIALLY Rega products - don't get me started on that). In the event you end up with a Gyro, I have an aluminum Gyro arm board here that is pre-drilled for a Rega arm using Mitchell's (VERY COOL) VTA adjuster. You'll have to buy the adjuster from Mitchell ($40) to use this board, but it's well worth it. Tonearms are a no-brainer. Use an SME 3012 transcription length arm, if it will fit on the table you buy. There are more expensive and more elaborate arms out there, but none of them outperform the 3012 with an MC cartridge - period. Otherwise, buy an Origin Live modified Rega RB-250. You can get one with all of the mods except the cable upgrade for about $300 direct from OL. That is $25 LESS than a Rega dealer will charge you for an UNMODIFIED arm! Even without the cable upgrade, this is more tonearm than anyone really needs. Phono cartridges are even easier. Depending on your price point go with: Denon DL-103 ($130 from Galen Carol Audio or any dealer in Europe), Shelter 501 Mk.II ($550 from EIFL Japan), or Shelter 901 ($1,300 from EIFL Japan). The Denon 103 is an absolutely amazing bargain. Many people have told me that you really have to go to the Shelter 501 to get something significantly better. The Shelter 901 is, IMO, the best cartridge availble today. It is only available in Japan, but EIFL exports them consumer-direct to America and they are very customer-friendly. You can check other people's opinions on the Shelters (and EIFL) at Audio Asylum. I've not heard the 501 myelf, but I'm told it's a bargain at its price. . Note that all of these are MC cartridges and require a suitable preamp or transformer. If you must go with a MM cartridge, you can't really lose with any of the Grados. Get the best one you can afford. As a final word, avoid ANY ANALOG PRODUCT manufactured by Clearaudio of Germany. The turntables are horrendous, and the cartridges are worse. Good luck, Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > Warren > > Thanks for the information; pretty much what I've come up with. The > two > tables that seem to be a decent used buy, probably cause there are a > lot of > them and they have been around a long time, are the Michell Gyro and > the > Nottingham Spacedeck. The Well Tempered is also very tempting; > there is a > standard Well Tempered with arm/cartridge (good grado) on audiogon > for > 1100/offer. I am also looking at a gyro, no arm, for 1100/offer. I > think > I'd be happiest with the gyro and the rb300 audio note arm. > > Any thoughts on moving coil cartridge? I am focusing on Benz, > Koetsu, and > Linn (put a bid on an Arkiv, their top of the line). > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > Hi Tiberius > You don't mention a budget but you can sell the rega on ebay and get > some > cash for it. > I'd pass on the audio notes they are rebuilt systemdeks and while > okay > are not that much better than a rega 2 and about the same as a rega > 3 > > Where do you live? > if in the states a well tempered classic is a very good table, nice > arm > easy to set up and isolate and while lacking the final degree of > bass response it is very musical. this would be my choice for a set > and > forget table. > > The roksans are good tables but if you buy used keep in mind that > the plinth tends to sag over time and makes getting the arm and > platter > aligned difficult. > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current > spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from > the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a > substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > getting back to the well tempered you should make sure it has the > black damped platter and round motor. Parts and stuff like the > silicone are > availeable > from well tempered/transparent. The arm is easy to set up and is up > there with some very good arms like the sme 5. > also make sure its a classic and not the record player which > although > okay had a much less refined arm. > hth > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 > arm no > > less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the > used > > market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used > market > if > > one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. > > > > I've settled on several tables: > > > > new audio note TT! $ 750 > > new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, > weightmod) > > > > OR > > > > used well tempered classic (w/well arm) > > roksan radius w/tabriz arm > > roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) > > michell gyro SE > > > > I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there > are so > damn > > many variations over the years. > > > > any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with > arm and > > grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The > used > > Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something > with an > arm > > already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. > > > > I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. > > > > Ciao > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > That is totally unacceptable. You must have the concrete slab > bolted to > at > > least a seven ton column of concrete decending at least thirty > feet into > the > > ground. Anything short of this and your ss amp will sound like > crap! > > > > Of course, you realise this is a chain yank. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > > > My friend made me 3 inch thick blocks of concrete. They seem to > work > > fine. Is there > > > somethhing I am missing by not having a fancy stand? > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 1:11:10 AM Central Standard > Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << No, it means that the MC2300 is a bit of a well kept > secret. And > so > > many > > > > people simply assume that newer means better, esp with ss > equipment. > > I'd > > > > love to own an MC2300(as a secondary amp to one of my Moscode > 1000 > > amps). > > > > Would hate it any time I had to move it though. Weighs > 135lbs. >> > > > > > > > > Does this mean you have to use one of those overly > high-priced > > "audiophile" > > > > amplifier stands? I can't imagine that a piece of wood could > make > that > > much > > > > difference in the sound and performance of the amp. But, I've > never > > seen a > > > > heavy amp on the floor, they always seem to be on some type of > custom > > stand. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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I get confused so easily, especially when the same word means more than one thing. Speaking of weight, this thing could give one of us a "himnia". Don't remember hearing from any hers out there, who could get a "hernia" from this thing. Good thing the week's almost over! Peace! Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Thu Dec 6 15:44:18 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:44:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANSUI G22000 RECEIVER References: Message-ID: <002601c17e64$7c7a8c40$84021fac@brianm> I'd say, $2500 is rediculous! If wanting a receiver, I would buy Magnum Dynalabs 208 for $2950 list, I would gamble it would smoke it easily. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com This one is starting out high and the "Buy It Now" sounds ridiculous. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1306560301 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 6 15:48:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:48:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <20011205.205545.-246371.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C0F8537.9C424304@concentric.net> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Hey, I think this is a good thing. Maybe there will be massive consumer > backlash against Micrososoft on the privacy issue and people will look > for something else. There is one. However, it's limited to the people that understand computer issues (like, 0.000001% of computer users). Others are 'upgrading' to XP, like they've been programmed to do. > Then just maybe we can all move on to Linux (or any other operating > system that actually works). My idea exactly. If it's half as stable as the SCO UNIX I used for several years, I will never miss windows. I am just waiting for the applications selection to improve. -- Ron > > - Joe > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > I agree with you on the XP issue, Ron. I wouldn't trust MS or Gates > > with my > > library card number, let alone info on my pc. Did you see Gates > > being > > interviewed on Charlie Rose the day of XP's intro? He was totally > > flippant > > about the privacy question. I think he believes that nobody has a > > right to > > privacy, unless they're a billionaire. And how obnoxious is it that > > you > > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license > > fee? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > > (for > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather > > > minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC > > > World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be > > > installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP > > > I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. > > > > > > As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do > > > Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading > > > out of your machine and exactly what information about > > > your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous > > > responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least > > > in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, > > > if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be > > prohibitive > > for > > > > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's > > verification > > process > > > > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising > > memory > > prices. > > > > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before about > > Windows > > 95, > > > > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in > > Philadelphia the > > > > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the > > audience and > > the > > > > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > > > > > > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > > (for > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > > > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > > > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > > > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > > > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > > > > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > > > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > > > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > > > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but XP > > is 2000 > > plus > > > > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six months > > and now > > the > > > > Pro. > > > > > > version. > > > > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do it > > soon as > > the > > > > DDR > > > > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for > > $80 > > delivered > > > > is > > > > > > today $103 > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling > > Windows (for > > > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > > exactly what I > > had > > > > in > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > > consider > > > > reformatting > > > > > > my hard drive (what > > > > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), changing > > bios > > > > settings, > > > > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for > > internet > > access > > > > so I > > > > > > can ask you guys > > > > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > > standards. > > I > > > > have > > > > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, > > 100MB zip > > and > > > > 1.44 > > > > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my sofware > > on discs > > > > (except > > > > > > for the free web > > > > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email files > > and other > > > > > > documents, what else > > > > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > > using > > Windows 98 > > > > v1. > > > > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more > > up to > > 2000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) idea > > > > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, backing > > > > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years old, > > > > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, > > or > > > > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W re-installation > > > > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only > > recently > > > > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced the > > > > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor > > (replacing > > > > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB > > before) > > > > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory (I > > had > > > > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh > > CD-RW > > > > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound to > > last > > > > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled > > Windows > > > > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft > > browse > > > > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, the > > > > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply > > justified. > > > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional hard > > drive > > > > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will > > provide > > > > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this kind > > of > > > > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with > > *something*, > > > > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start > > doing > > > > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 6 18:02:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:02:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] SANSUI G22000 RECEIVER Message-ID: <8c.108e1822.2940febd@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2001 8:47:13 AM Central Standard Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << I'd say, $2500 is ridiculous! If wanting a receiver, I would buy Magnum Dynalabs 208 for $2950 list, I would gamble it would smoke it easily. Brian Miller >> I don't know about that Magnum smoking it....(smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 6 18:27:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:27:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] Big Sansui G-8000 Message-ID: <157.5483141.29410464@aol.com> This one's really low priced at the moment... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305397322 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Dec 6 18:35:39 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:35:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANSUI G22000 RECEIVER References: <8c.108e1822.2940febd@aol.com> Message-ID: <003f01c17e7c$6c7b50f0$84021fac@brianm> Your probably right Sam, it wouldn't even be close, it would obliterate it....(big grin) > I don't know about that Magnum smoking it....(smile) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 18:56:28 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:56:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Big Sansui G-8000 References: <157.5483141.29410464@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C0FB14C.212609A3@yahoo.com> Overbuilt or overdone? SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > This one's really low priced at the moment... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305397322 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Thu Dec 6 19:38:07 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:38:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] SANSUI G22000 RECEIVER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Kent Merideth wrote: > This one is starting out high and the "Buy It Now" sounds ridiculous. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1306560301 > > Then there's the packing and shipping "over 100 pounds". The last G22000 on ebay sold for around $740 about a month ago, IIRC. This guy is probably hoping for some kind of Christmas stupidity to take hold, or maybe saw the TU-X1 $2300 auction result and got greedy. People also pay stupid-high prices for Marantz Model 2500 and 2600 receivers. The shipping weight of one of these beasts could easily approach 100 pounds weight, they're *heavy*. I'd love to own one, one of these days, but I don't see myself having the $750 or whatever free anytime soon. joell -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 6 20:30:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:30:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Concrete overcoats .... In-Reply-To: <003b01c17db4$a5290a00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001401c17e8c$719cb0a0$2db887d9@a4s1s2> There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had no complaints. Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 6 20:39:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:39:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C0E67BD.952FF2BB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001a01c17e8d$c019f660$2db887d9@a4s1s2> Jim Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the old style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." It was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were played thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY subjective. However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, more of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Graham, What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge and phono stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with the same arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 6 20:42:51 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:42:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c17e8e$30d97ce0$2db887d9@a4s1s2> Hi Carl Like you, I've only read the reviews, so I don't have a personal view of it Cheers Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 05 December 2001 06:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Graham, Thanks for the info; I like the Roksan Xerxes, too, but there are few for sale. Guess I'll just hold on a wait. Can you tell me about the Roksan Radius model with the Tabriz arm? They go pretty inexpensively and I read one review that said it is a pretty good table (non reference quality, of course, though). There are a couple of these on ebay right now. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Carl Can't offer much advice on this save to say, yes, I think you're right that some of the old TTs can outplay more modern designs. (I am seriously considering getting rid of my PT TOO simply because I think my latest Lenco (GL78), which is in really excellent condition, is at least as good.) However, to comment on what you have noted, I had a standard RB300 on my PT TOO and sent it to Origin Live for modification. The mod' was the "full monty" - that is, the design change (an adaptation to the counter-weight) and silver wire re-wiring with a fresh interconnect of their specification, too. The cost of the modification gives a lot of bang for the buck. Also, I've not lived with the Roksan or Mitchell decks but have had the chance to hear both sets. Frankly, my impressions are that the Mitchell is a lot prettier than it sounds! Not to say it's crap but, to my ear, the Roksan's offer an altogether a better, more natural sound. Of the Roksan's I probably preferred the Xerxes. (With a good arm and cartridge I'd suggests these can probably give a higher spec' LP12 a run for its money! But then, I'm daft enough to think my GL78 could do as well!!! ) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 05 December 2001 08:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions I am getting ready to dump my very old Rega Planar 2 (with rb200 arm no less) and get a real table. It is amazing what one can buy on the used market for a small fraction of its original price. Difficult used market if one is not very knowledgeable, though, as I am finding out. I've settled on several tables: new audio note TT! $ 750 new audio note ARM2 549 (rb300 with pure silver wire, weightmod) OR used well tempered classic (w/well arm) roksan radius w/tabriz arm roksan xerxes (w/tabriz or origin live rb300) michell gyro SE I am staying away from the Linn LP12 models simply because there are so damn many variations over the years. any thought on this? There is a well tempered standard model with arm and grado cartridge for 1100/offer on audiogon; that is tempting. The used Michell Gyro on ebay is nice, too, but I'd rather get something with an arm already mounted as I think I'll get the best deal esp used. I know this is a hell of a can of worms but here it is. Ciao Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Can you answer that without your nose growing?!!! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Here here, Warren! But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > it may save you money. > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > change in bass response and silence of background noise. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. Any advices by any chance? Thanks a lot! Misha >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of >platter motor, if memory serves. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 22:26:14 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology References: <3436E5BB.5D67AFC0.2BF7ECAD@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3C0FE276.80ACFF6B@yahoo.com> Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 6 22:39:38 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:39:38 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365B9E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Javier, Yes there is a projector available that does have adjustments. The NEC VT540 Multisync projector has trapezoidal adjustment. I'm not sure if this is the same model number for overseas. The unit costs around $4000-$5000 Australian. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:26 To: russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 23:13:11 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:13:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology References: <3436E5BB.5D67AFC0.2BF7ECAD@netscape.net> <3C0FE276.80ACFF6B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02a401c17ea3$31a747a0$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Most projectors have a keystone adjustment some work better than others but its only up down not left right. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Dec 6 23:26:02 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables Message-ID: <3C1ABC39@mail.totalise.co.uk> >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Dec 6 23:26:31 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables Message-ID: <3C1ABE67@mail.totalise.co.uk> >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 7 00:48:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:48:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 References: <18b501c17df2$060da640$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00fe01c17eb0$94ab9060$0f3442cf@sank1> If you hear the laser making a slight squeal sound for more than half a second during disc starting, then you'll need to silicone-spray the platter motor(if I am remembering correctly that it has the same crappy brush motor as the CDX-1100) or replace it. It may also be simply a case of inadequate lubrication of the pick-up sled guide rails. With power off, the laser should slide smoothly all the way back & forth when the deck is tilted forward & back about 30 or 40 degrees of angle. The spec is for a very, very light silicone grease, but a very light lithium grease will work as well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > Thanks Stephen! > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > Any advices by any chance? > > Thanks a lot! > Misha > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 00:48:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:48:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001a01c17e8d$c019f660$2db887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1003D9.B63CCFBC@earthlink.net> True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say that the difference you heard was due to the turntable? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the old > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." It > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were played > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY subjective. > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, more > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Graham, > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > and phono > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > the same > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 00:53:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:53:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001c01c17e8e$7b7e11c0$2db887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C100514.DB2B9980@earthlink.net> Hey, the only reason my nose is long is because I'm Italian! Honest!! = ) Really though, quite a bit has changed on the Gyro over the years (inverted main bearing, DC motor, suspension, etc) so although the turntables look very similar, deep down they are completely a different animal. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > LOL!! Should have guessed!!! Well then, Jim - *is* the new Gyrodeck > really better than the old version?! Can you answer that without your nose > growing?!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Here here, Warren! > > But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Warren wrote: > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 01:37:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:37:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C1003D9.B63CCFBC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000b01c17eb7$5217f020$299087d9@a4s1s2> Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the phono leads ... Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... .... and I have to admit, they do look good! Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 06 December 2001 11:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say that the difference you heard was due to the turntable? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the old > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." It > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were played > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY subjective. > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, more > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Graham, > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > and phono > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > the same > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Fri Dec 7 01:46:48 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:46:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 In-Reply-To: <200112070016.BAA26915@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Jim, I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you can call what they do support). There have been several updates since service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. May the force be with you. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:17 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1676 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:29:25 +0200 (EET) From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 Thanks Stephen! I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. Any advices by any chance? Thanks a lot! Misha >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of >platter motor, if memory serves. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0500 From: Javier Perez Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:39:38 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Javier, Yes there is a projector available that does have adjustments. The NEC VT540 Multisync projector has trapezoidal adjustment. I'm not sure if this is the same model number for overseas. The unit costs around $4000-$5000 Australian. Tom Siomopoulos. - -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:26 To: russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:13:11 -0500 From: "Warren" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Most projectors have a keystone adjustment some work better than others but its only up down not left right. Warren - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:02 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:31 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:48:58 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 If you hear the laser making a slight squeal sound for more than half a second during disc starting, then you'll need to silicone-spray the platter motor(if I am remembering correctly that it has the same crappy brush motor as the CDX-1100) or replace it. It may also be simply a case of inadequate lubrication of the pick-up sled guide rails. With power off, the laser should slide smoothly all the way back & forth when the deck is tilted forward & back about 30 or 40 degrees of angle. The spec is for a very, very light silicone grease, but a very light lithium grease will work as well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > Thanks Stephen! > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > Any advices by any chance? > > Thanks a lot! > Misha > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1676 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 7 01:37:39 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:37:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <20011206.194511.-370375.1.josephj69@juno.com> What is the deal with Linux? It won't emulate 98? I would think they should devise some way to make it compatible with all the 98 software? Exactly what do people who run Linux use for applications? - Joe On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:29:33 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > Time to check out Linux and the canned software that comes with most > of the > packages, maybe? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > (for > dummies!) > > > Hey, I think this is a good thing. Maybe there will be massive > consumer > backlash against Micrososoft on the privacy issue and people will > look > for something else. > > Then just maybe we can all move on to Linux (or any other operating > system that actually works). > > - Joe > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > I agree with you on the XP issue, Ron. I wouldn't trust MS or > Gates > > with my > > library card number, let alone info on my pc. Did you see Gates > > being > > interviewed on Charlie Rose the day of XP's intro? He was > totally > > flippant > > about the privacy question. I think he believes that nobody has > a > > right to > > privacy, unless they're a billionaire. And how obnoxious is it > that > > you > > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another > license > > fee? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows > > (for > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > As to price, The XP Home version is said to be rather > > > minimal. The recommended version (by PC Mag and PC > > > World) is $200 (give or talk a buck). Win98 could be > > > installed on both my home computers for $100. For XP > > > I'd have to pay $400 ($200 x 2) for the same machines. > > > > > > As to the 'minimal' Microsoft intrusion -- how do > > > Maximum PC they know exactly what is Microsoft reading > > > out of your machine and exactly what information about > > > your data they are selling? FYI, I have read numerous > > > responses deciding against 'upgrading' to XP, at least > > > in part because of this invasion of privacy. As I said, > > > if you trust Microsoft, that's your prerogative. I don't. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > At $99 for the XP Home Upgrade hopefully that would not be > > prohibitive > > for > > > > most people. Maximum PC for November finds Microsoft's > > verification > > process > > > > very minimal. I used the DDR merely as an example of rising > > memory > > prices. > > > > Try it then comment as we have heard these stories before > about > > Windows > > 95, > > > > 98, 98 SE and the dreaded ME. I was at the XP launch in > > Philadelphia the > > > > other week and the mention of ME got many groans from the > > audience and > > the > > > > Microsoft rep. saying "We know, we know". :-) > > > > > > > > Back to Nakamichi..... > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:11 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling > Windows > > (for > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow... Careful, John. While XP may be more stable than > > > > > previous Windows, it's 4 times as expensive for most > > > > > people. AND, it requires that you allow Microsoft to > > > > > rummage through your computer every time you change the > > > > > hardware (it's OK if you trust them. I don't). > > > > > > > > > > As to DDR memory, if Jim is running a 300MHz Pentium II > > > > > system, he CANNOT utilize DDR memory -- either PC-2100 > > > > > (that is meant for 133MHz front bus) or PC-1600 (for > > > > > 100MHz front bus). > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Go with XP and save getting less. 2000 is very good but > XP > > is 2000 > > plus > > > > > > dessert! I'm on my third XP journey, 2 betas for six > months > > and now > > the > > > > Pro. > > > > > > version. > > > > > > You might want to increase your memory to 256 or 512k. Do > it > > soon as > > the > > > > DDR > > > > > > 2100 512k memory. I got from Crucial the other month for > > $80 > > delivered > > > > is > > > > > > today $103 > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:26 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling > > Windows (for > > > > > > dummies!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice, Ron. A complete reinstall is > > exactly what I > > had > > > > in > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The process seems fairly straight forward, until I > > consider > > > > reformatting > > > > > > my hard drive (what > > > > > > > exactly does this mean and why is it necessary), > changing > > bios > > > > settings, > > > > > > reassigning irqs and > > > > > > > ports, etc. I just might fire up my old computer for > > internet > > access > > > > so I > > > > > > can ask you guys > > > > > > > for help should I need any. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I think my hardware is sufficient, even by today's > > standards. > > I > > > > have > > > > > > a 550MHz Pentium II > > > > > > > with 128MB, 32MB of video memory, a ?? x times CD rom, > > 100MB zip > > and > > > > 1.44 > > > > > > floppy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as back up is concerned, I have all of my > sofware > > on discs > > > > (except > > > > > > for the free web > > > > > > > applications I've downloaded). Other than my email > files > > and other > > > > > > documents, what else > > > > > > > should I back up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently > > using > > Windows 98 > > > > v1. > > > > > > XP doesn't seem > > > > > > > like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or > more > > up to > > 2000. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depending on what you have installed on the machine > > > > > > > > since new, you may find that starting with a clean > > > > > > > > slate is a better (though far more time consuming) > idea > > > > > > > > than just reinstalling windows. By this I mean, > backing > > > > > > > > everything up, reformatting the hard drive(s), then > > > > > > > > reinstalling not just Windows, but also every blessed > > > > > > > > application that you are still using. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another consideration: if that computer is 3 years > old, > > > > > > > > you may wish to consider upgrading some of the H/W as > > > > > > > > well. Some of it is probably under powered, outdated, > > or > > > > > > > > maybe even buggy or on its last legs. Upgrading it > > > > > > > > before going to all the trouble of S/W > re-installation > > > > > > > > may save a lot of time later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go through this cycle every 3 or 4 years. Only > > recently > > > > > > > > I re-did my own computer. For about $450 I replaced > the > > > > > > > > system board, put in an Athlon 1.4GHz processor > > (replacing > > > > > > > > a 300MHz Pentium II) with 256MB of RAM (I have 48MB > > before) > > > > > > > > and an ATI Radeon video board with 32MB video memory > (I > > had > > > > > > > > 4MB before). For $200 more I replaced an ailing Ricoh > > CD-RW > > > > > > > > drive with a new Plextor (6 times as fast and bound > to > > last > > > > > > > > longer than that Ricoh garbage). Then I reinstalled > > Windows > > > > > > > > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft > > browse > > > > > > > > through my computer). While not fully finished yet, > the > > > > > > > > invested time and cost have so far been amply > > justified. > > > > > > > This computer flies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coincidentally, I have just ordered an additional > hard > > drive > > > > > > > > (I use SCSI Ultra 160, 10000 RPM drives) that will > > provide > > > > > > > > the space required for video editing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have the experience to undertake this > kind > > of > > > > > > > > major surgery, but if you do not start with > > *something*, > > > > > > > > you'll never get there. I'd encourage you to start > > doing > > > > > > > > it, especially if you enjoy working with your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 01:49:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:49:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C100514.DB2B9980@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the warranty? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hey, the only reason my nose is long is because I'm Italian! Honest!! = ) Really though, quite a bit has changed on the Gyro over the years (inverted main bearing, DC motor, suspension, etc) so although the turntables look very similar, deep down they are completely a different animal. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > LOL!! Should have guessed!!! Well then, Jim - *is* the new Gyrodeck > really better than the old version?! Can you answer that without your nose > growing?!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Here here, Warren! > > But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Warren wrote: > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 01:51:36 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:51:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C100514.DB2B9980@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the warranty? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hey, the only reason my nose is long is because I'm Italian! Honest!! = ) Really though, quite a bit has changed on the Gyro over the years (inverted main bearing, DC motor, suspension, etc) so although the turntables look very similar, deep down they are completely a different animal. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > LOL!! Should have guessed!!! Well then, Jim - *is* the new Gyrodeck > really better than the old version?! Can you answer that without your nose > growing?!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Here here, Warren! > > But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Warren wrote: > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 02:02:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:02:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: Message-ID: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the difference between ME or 2000? BTW, thanks for all the info. Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > May the force be with you. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 02:09:18 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:09:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintosh non multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Jim, I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you can call what they do support). There have been several updates since service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. May the force be with you. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:17 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1676 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:29:25 +0200 (EET) From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 Thanks Stephen! I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. Any advices by any chance? Thanks a lot! Misha >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of >platter motor, if memory serves. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0500 From: Javier Perez Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:39:38 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Javier, Yes there is a projector available that does have adjustments. The NEC VT540 Multisync projector has trapezoidal adjustment. I'm not sure if this is the same model number for overseas. The unit costs around $4000-$5000 Australian. Tom Siomopoulos. - -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:26 To: russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:13:11 -0500 From: "Warren" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Most projectors have a keystone adjustment some work better than others but its only up down not left right. Warren - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:02 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:31 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:48:58 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 If you hear the laser making a slight squeal sound for more than half a second during disc starting, then you'll need to silicone-spray the platter motor(if I am remembering correctly that it has the same crappy brush motor as the CDX-1100) or replace it. It may also be simply a case of inadequate lubrication of the pick-up sled guide rails. With power off, the laser should slide smoothly all the way back & forth when the deck is tilted forward & back about 30 or 40 degrees of angle. The spec is for a very, very light silicone grease, but a very light lithium grease will work as well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > Thanks Stephen! > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > Any advices by any chance? > > Thanks a lot! > Misha > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Fri Dec 7 02:28:28 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:28:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 In-Reply-To: <200112070138.CAA27488@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Jim, I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG differences between them relative to stability. When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT lacked plug n play), etc. Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and much of the stability NT had. When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and readily available now. By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default anyway. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 20:38 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1679 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:49:12 -0800 From: "Tiberius Gaius" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the warranty? Carl - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hey, the only reason my nose is long is because I'm Italian! Honest!! = ) Really though, quite a bit has changed on the Gyro over the years (inverted main bearing, DC motor, suspension, etc) so although the turntables look very similar, deep down they are completely a different animal. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > LOL!! Should have guessed!!! Well then, Jim - *is* the new Gyrodeck > really better than the old version?! Can you answer that without your nose > growing?!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Here here, Warren! > > But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Warren wrote: > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carl - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Hey, the only reason my nose is long is because I'm Italian! Honest!! = ) Really though, quite a bit has changed on the Gyro over the years (inverted main bearing, DC motor, suspension, etc) so although the turntables look very similar, deep down they are completely a different animal. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > LOL!! Should have guessed!!! Well then, Jim - *is* the new Gyrodeck > really better than the old version?! Can you answer that without your nose > growing?!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 December 2001 07:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Here here, Warren! > > But then again, I'm a Michell dealer so I'll pipe down now... = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Warren wrote: > > > > > The michel is a best buy great sound and with the qc power supply > > up there with the best easily beating a lp12. > > > > Michel also allows you to upgrade any version of gyro to current spec > > so if you find a cheaper older model and buy the parts direct from the uk > > it may save you money. > > The gyro can also upgraded to the orbe platter which make a substantial > > change in bass response and silence of background noise. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:02:34 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the difference between ME or 2000? BTW, thanks for all the info. Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > May the force be with you. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:09:18 -0800 From: "Tiberius Gaius" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintosh non multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. Carl - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Jim, I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you can call what they do support). There have been several updates since service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. May the force be with you. TomD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:17 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1676 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:29:25 +0200 (EET) From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 Thanks Stephen! I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. Any advices by any chance? Thanks a lot! Misha >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of >platter motor, if memory serves. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:39:38 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Javier, Yes there is a projector available that does have adjustments. The NEC VT540 Multisync projector has trapezoidal adjustment. I'm not sure if this is the same model number for overseas. The unit costs around $4000-$5000 Australian. Tom Siomopoulos. - - -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:26 To: russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Hi Guys Sorry for the OT I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group to get both perspectives. I was wondering if a TV projection system exists that allows you to compensate for offcentred projection. I'de like to mount something like that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting the projector right in the middle. A system sort of like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the ceiling but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven illumination. I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason Any advice is greatly appreciated Javier PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt KT88 based home theatre amp? No one was able to lift it! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:13:11 -0500 From: "Warren" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Projection technology Most projectors have a keystone adjustment some work better than others but its only up down not left right. Warren - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:02 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:31 +0000 From: FRED MOSS Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds better than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a freind bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an Lp12. Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has got to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and hear what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered Refence and then buy a slide rule! >Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >ole thofte >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m and >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had >no complaints. >Ole > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP - - ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:48:58 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 If you hear the laser making a slight squeal sound for more than half a second during disc starting, then you'll need to silicone-spray the platter motor(if I am remembering correctly that it has the same crappy brush motor as the CDX-1100) or replace it. It may also be simply a case of inadequate lubrication of the pick-up sled guide rails. With power off, the laser should slide smoothly all the way back & forth when the deck is tilted forward & back about 30 or 40 degrees of angle. The spec is for a very, very light silicone grease, but a very light lithium grease will work as well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > Thanks Stephen! > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > Any advices by any chance? > > Thanks a lot! > Misha > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Due to popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it is in very short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are comfortable building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your local dealer knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer who supposedly specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize the set up) and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! 415 928-2990 Tiberius Gaius wrote: > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > warranty? > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 02:59:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:59:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <000b01c17eb7$5217f020$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C102290.781B472@earthlink.net> Well Graham, I guess you'll have to choose between the ability to play your 78s and a table whose build quality and performance can't be touched at anywhere near the price. The only table available in the US that comes close is the $3000 Basis 2001. For $2000 ($200 more than the Gyro) the Basis 2000 doesn't even offer proper suspension. Also, the Gyro can be upgraded to the Orbe level in two reasonably priced steps. Well, almost. The Orbe has a speed servo circuit that is only available on the Orbe. I'll gladly put the Orbe up against any table out there, regardless of price, and am confident that it will at least hold it's own if not best the other table. And for only $3500 too. I'm VERY particular about the lines I carry. Michell was a brainer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a > subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's > at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots > of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the > phono leads ... > > Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... > > .... and I have to admit, they do look good! > > Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two > tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a > different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap > the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... > > .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy > hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 06 December 2001 11:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say > that the > difference you heard was due to the turntable? > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Jim > > > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the > old > > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." > It > > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were > played > > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY > subjective. > > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, > more > > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > Graham, > > > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > > and phono > > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > > the same > > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 03:06:58 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:06:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 References: Message-ID: <3C102441.75A0328D@earthlink.net> I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > differences between them relative to stability. > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > lacked plug n play), etc. > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > much of the stability NT had. > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > readily available now. > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > anyway. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 7 03:23:59 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:23:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C101DD6.F1C60E32@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <035f01c17ec6$3adbeb00$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Jim with all due respect setting up a gyrodec or orbe is pretty easy especially now that the spring design has changed even getting the right bounce is childs play for those curious about the process see this link http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/man1.html also there is now a dustcover for the spider edition models Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > If $1200 is your budget for a turntable, you're better off trying to find a used Gyro. > A new Gyro starts at $1800 and goes up from there, depending on options. Due to > popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it is in very > short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. > > Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are comfortable > building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your local dealer > knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer who supposedly > specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize the set up) > and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. > > Jim Volpatti > Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! > 415 928-2990 > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > > warranty? > > > > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 7 03:35:42 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:35:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <000b01c17eb7$5217f020$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C102290.781B472@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <038f01c17ec7$de0a6760$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> First of all both the orbe and the gyrodec can play 78 rpm you just have to get the multi speed pulley (this of course won't adjust for the speed variations of 78's) second Gyro's can be ordered to take two arms so you can have one set up for mono or 78 and one for stereo records. And no you can't really upgrade a gyro to an orbe what you can do is add the outboard motor supply (either a qc or vc) and you can add the damping compound and the orbe platter and clamp (this is a great upgrade) but you still don't have the motor housing and the double isolation to start. And while I think there is nothing better at their price points than the orbe or gyro the SME tables *are* better Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Well Graham, I guess you'll have to choose between the ability to play your 78s and a > table whose build quality and performance can't be touched at anywhere near the price. > > The only table available in the US that comes close is the $3000 Basis 2001. For $2000 > ($200 more than the Gyro) the Basis 2000 doesn't even offer proper suspension. Also, > the Gyro can be upgraded to the Orbe level in two reasonably priced steps. Well, > almost. The Orbe has a speed servo circuit that is only available on the Orbe. I'll > gladly put the Orbe up against any table out there, regardless of price, and am > confident that it will at least hold it's own if not best the other table. And for only > $3500 too. > > I'm VERY particular about the lines I carry. Michell was a brainer. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a > > subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's > > at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots > > of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the > > phono leads ... > > > > Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... > > > > .... and I have to admit, they do look good! > > > > Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two > > tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a > > different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap > > the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... > > > > .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy > > hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! > > > > G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 06 December 2001 11:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say > > that the > > difference you heard was due to the turntable? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the > > old > > > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > > > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." > > It > > > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > > > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > > > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were > > played > > > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY > > subjective. > > > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, > > more > > > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > > > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > > > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > > > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > > > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > > > and phono > > > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > > > the same > > > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 03:39:04 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:39:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C101DD6.F1C60E32@earthlink.net> <035f01c17ec6$3adbeb00$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C102BC8.76A304B9@earthlink.net> Warren, Have you tried to get a straight bounce on the new Gyro or Orbe? Not nearly as easy as most would care to admit. Also, depending on the armboard, it's possible to it incorrectly, throwing the entire cartridge alignment way off. And speaking of cartridge alignment, that is another subject entirely to itself (i.e. VTA, HTA, azimuth, overhang). It's one thing to set it up according to spec. It's entirely another thing to make it sound great, let alone know what to listen for as the adjustments are made. This is what I was referring to when I spoke of set up. I apologize if I wasn't clear. Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > Jim > with all due respect setting up a gyrodec or orbe is pretty easy > especially now that the spring design has changed > even getting the right bounce is childs play > for those curious about the process see this link > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/man1.html > > also there is now a dustcover for the spider edition models > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > If $1200 is your budget for a turntable, you're better off trying to find > a used Gyro. > > A new Gyro starts at $1800 and goes up from there, depending on options. > Due to > > popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it > is in very > > short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. > > > > Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are > comfortable > > building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your > local dealer > > knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer > who supposedly > > specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize > the set up) > > and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! > > 415 928-2990 > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > > > warranty? > > > > > > Carl > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 7 03:57:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:57:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 References: <3C102441.75A0328D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C10300D.9EAC3B4F@concentric.net> First: The difference between Win98 and Win2000 is deep under the skin. They are different in many technical respects and there is no question Win2000 is more stable and offers far better security, but still may lack drivers for some boards or devices. If you switch to Win2000 and happen to own one of these boards, you are facing the expense of replacing it. If this (and cost of Win2000 itself) is of small concern, Win2000 is a better choice. Second: the OS allocates hard disk space by assigning each file a specific number of 'allocations units', all of which are of a fixed size, determined once and for all at the time of HD partitioning. The larger the logical drive, the larger are the allocation units. Because each file gets an integer number of allocation units (there is no way to allocate, say, half a unit) the last allocation unit may not be filled. This makes for waste of drive space, called 'slack'. Obviously, the larger each allocation unit is, the more space is wasted by the average file. As a result, partitioning a large physical drive into two smaller logical drives is more space efficient. Having said all this, HD space has become so cheap that most people just ignore space efficiency and go for a single partition per physical drive. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... > > Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? > > Jim Volpatti > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > > differences between them relative to stability. > > > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > > lacked plug n play), etc. > > > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > > much of the stability NT had. > > > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > > readily available now. > > > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > > anyway. > > > > TomD > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 7 04:05:16 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:05:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C101DD6.F1C60E32@earthlink.net> <035f01c17ec6$3adbeb00$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C102BC8.76A304B9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <042601c17ecb$ff37ea80$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Warren, > > Have you tried to get a straight bounce on the new Gyro or Orbe? Not nearly as easy as > most would care to admit. Yes I have, as my gyro with orbe upgrades is current spec I have also set up many gyro's and orbes over the years and I find it easier to use now than before (mk1, mk2) Also, depending on the armboard, it's possible to it > incorrectly, throwing the entire cartridge alignment way off. Could you explain this a little more clearly I admit that the only arms I have used on the table are a Wilson Bensch act 2, rega rb300, Sme V, and a manticore musician. So I am a little confused with how when using the correct armboard which is weight matched to the table it would effect either the bounce or arm set up. > And speaking of cartridge alignment, that is another subject entirely to itself (i.e. > VTA, HTA, azimuth, overhang). It's one thing to set it up according to spec. It's > entirely another thing to make it sound great, let alone know what to listen for as the > adjustments are made. This is what I was referring to when I spoke of set up. I > apologize if I wasn't clear. Setting up the cartridge is I admit a fairly complex task, especially if you haven't done it before but that doesn't change the fact that the gyrodec is a lot simpler to set up than say a linn lp12 Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Fri Dec 7 04:20:23 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:20:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1681 In-Reply-To: <200112070306.EAA28249@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: With all this turntable discussion I haven't seen any reference to the Oracles (other than Stephens recommendation of the Alexandria). I see the various versions of the Oracles frequently on Ebay...does this mean they aren't any good, or that there were many built? TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 22:06 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1681 naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1681 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:39:34 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions If $1200 is your budget for a turntable, you're better off trying to find a used Gyro. A new Gyro starts at $1800 and goes up from there, depending on options. Due to popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it is in very short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are comfortable building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your local dealer knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer who supposedly specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize the set up) and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! 415 928-2990 Tiberius Gaius wrote: > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > warranty? > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:59:44 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Well Graham, I guess you'll have to choose between the ability to play your 78s and a table whose build quality and performance can't be touched at anywhere near the price. The only table available in the US that comes close is the $3000 Basis 2001. For $2000 ($200 more than the Gyro) the Basis 2000 doesn't even offer proper suspension. Also, the Gyro can be upgraded to the Orbe level in two reasonably priced steps. Well, almost. The Orbe has a speed servo circuit that is only available on the Orbe. I'll gladly put the Orbe up against any table out there, regardless of price, and am confident that it will at least hold it's own if not best the other table. And for only $3500 too. I'm VERY particular about the lines I carry. Michell was a brainer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a > subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's > at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots > of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the > phono leads ... > > Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... > > .... and I have to admit, they do look good! > > Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two > tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a > different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap > the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... > > .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy > hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 06 December 2001 11:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say > that the > difference you heard was due to the turntable? > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Jim > > > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the > old > > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." > It > > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were > played > > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY > subjective. > > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, > more > > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > Graham, > > > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > > and phono > > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > > the same > > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:06:58 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > differences between them relative to stability. > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > lacked plug n play), etc. > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > much of the stability NT had. > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > readily available now. > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > anyway. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:23:59 -0500 From: "Warren" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Jim with all due respect setting up a gyrodec or orbe is pretty easy especially now that the spring design has changed even getting the right bounce is childs play for those curious about the process see this link http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/man1.html also there is now a dustcover for the spider edition models Warren - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > If $1200 is your budget for a turntable, you're better off trying to find a used Gyro. > A new Gyro starts at $1800 and goes up from there, depending on options. Due to > popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it is in very > short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. > > Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are comfortable > building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your local dealer > knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer who supposedly > specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize the set up) > and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. > > Jim Volpatti > Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! > 415 928-2990 > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > > warranty? > > > > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:35:42 -0500 From: "Warren" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions First of all both the orbe and the gyrodec can play 78 rpm you just have to get the multi speed pulley (this of course won't adjust for the speed variations of 78's) second Gyro's can be ordered to take two arms so you can have one set up for mono or 78 and one for stereo records. And no you can't really upgrade a gyro to an orbe what you can do is add the outboard motor supply (either a qc or vc) and you can add the damping compound and the orbe platter and clamp (this is a great upgrade) but you still don't have the motor housing and the double isolation to start. And while I think there is nothing better at their price points than the orbe or gyro the SME tables *are* better Warren - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Well Graham, I guess you'll have to choose between the ability to play your 78s and a > table whose build quality and performance can't be touched at anywhere near the price. > > The only table available in the US that comes close is the $3000 Basis 2001. For $2000 > ($200 more than the Gyro) the Basis 2000 doesn't even offer proper suspension. Also, > the Gyro can be upgraded to the Orbe level in two reasonably priced steps. Well, > almost. The Orbe has a speed servo circuit that is only available on the Orbe. I'll > gladly put the Orbe up against any table out there, regardless of price, and am > confident that it will at least hold it's own if not best the other table. And for only > $3500 too. > > I'm VERY particular about the lines I carry. Michell was a brainer. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a > > subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's > > at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots > > of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the > > phono leads ... > > > > Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... > > > > .... and I have to admit, they do look good! > > > > Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two > > tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a > > different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap > > the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... > > > > .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy > > hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! > > > > G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 06 December 2001 11:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > True. But if the system was different (and especially the room) who's to say > > that the > > difference you heard was due to the turntable? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Must confess I didn't hear an ABX between the two. The Michell was the > > old > > > style Gyrodeck, not the new one (which I have read sounds better than the > > > old version "probably because they've reduced the amount of Perspex..." > > It > > > was sporting a Reg arm, either a RB250 or RB300 - can't recall which. I > > > think it was also equipped with a Rega Elys, as was the Roksan. I don't > > > remember what arm was on the Rok' tho'. Also, the systems they were > > played > > > thru were probably different, too. So, my observations are VERY > > subjective. > > > However, what I do recall was that the Michell sounded a light-weight, > > more > > > of a machine that was obviously playing something that had been recorded. > > > The Roksan came across with more weight, more realism. Thus, these > > > perhaps cursory experiences left me feeling - "Michell ... nothing > > > special.... Roksan ... I could live with that." As ever, it's down to the > > > ear - gotta listen and find out if it appeals to your ear! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 05 December 2001 06:30 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > What exactly didn't you like about the Michell table? What arm, cartridge > > > and phono > > > stage was in the system? Did you compare the Roksan in the same room, with > > > the same > > > arm, cartridge, phono stage, etc? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1681 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Dec 7 05:07:14 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:07:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Linux, was: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <20011206.194511.-370375.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Hello... On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > What is the deal with Linux? It won't emulate 98? I would think they > should devise some way to make it compatible with all the 98 software? Linux is a free implementation of the Unix operating system. It is built on a vastly different model and philosophy from the Windows operating system that you're used to. In order to use it, you would need to learn whole new ways of interacting with and running a computer. Windows is a graphical operating system layered over what is now the ghost of DOS, originally Windows was just a pretty graphical way to run DOS commands. Some DOS commands superficially look like Unix commands. Here are some links that discuss the differences or features of Linux: http://mozillaquest.com/Linux4Windows/Linux4Windows01/Linux4Windows_01_01_Story-01.html http://www.extremetech.com/print_article/0,3428,a%253D5549,00.asp There's a lot of reading, and a lot of learning. A good metaphor might be Windows as a good all-in-one stereo system and Linux as a stack of components. The all-in-one should play CD's okay, and is easy to use, but a component system is much more flexible when it comes to upgrading and adding new sound sources or recording devices, or changing amplifiers, even if it requires more knowledge to set up and use. While there is software that will run a Windows emulator on Linux, most people who learn to use it prefer not to use such emulators. Linux is free. You can download it freely. There are companies that gather together distributions and charge for CD's of their distributions, but the vast majority of Linux efforts are free. There is no big company to make it work one way or another, or to dictate standards, or to change standards capriciously. There is no "they" to make it "compatible with all the 98 software". If someone sees a real need to make Linux compatible with something, then they search the Internet for utilities to do what they want, or occasionally they learn to program and write the code themselves. On the other hand, a number of programmers, working for free, are bringing software to the Unix/Linux world that emulates the functionality of Windows machines -- I haven't tried AbiWord yet, but it claims to be a free program that offers the functionality of Microsoft Word. The users of Linux are mainly concerned with a different level of computing than Windows users. The common denominator of readable-english files on Unix systems is plain text, as opposed to the Windows de-facto standard of Microsoft Word. I read and write mail in a text-only program called Pine, which lays out a screen using only fixed-size characters and no graphics. In short, Linux is far "geekier". :) There are implementations of windowing systems that run on Linux, so one can use graphical applications instead of only using text to communicate. > Exactly what do people who run Linux use for applications? Here are some of the main applications that I use, and their purposes: All of the programs I list are available completely free of charge. Please note that I have left out all of the various utilities that come as part of the Unix operating system, like "more", "less", "grep", etc. All of these applications are free. Xfree86 the X window system gives Linux a graphical interface netscape web browser usable when running the X window system pine one of a number of free email readers vi text editor, very fast but not easy, basic features only emacs sophisticated, extensible text editor, slower, really requires a lot of learning pico small basic text editor, more intuitive, very few features, but fast lynx text-only web browser ssh secure, encrypted telnet scp secure, encrypted file transfer ircII Internet Relay Chat client The following are server applications, once again, all free: apache apache webserver is used on most unix webservers, and is the most common webserver software in use on the internet sendmail mail transport between machines wu-ftp FTP file server amanda file backup utility samba fileserving software that allows Windows machines to mount Unix filesystems as if they were mounting drives from a Windows-based fileserver; samba also can act as a print server to Windows machines I do different things on Unix machines than I would do on a Windows machine, most notably highly graphics- or interface-oriented applications like Microsoft Office, Quicken, and calendaring software, which I run on my Mac. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 7 05:15:44 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:15:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Linux, was: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <20011206.231545.-387007.4.josephj69@juno.com> Joel, Thanks for all the Linux info. I guess it's not something practical for most of us. I do know DOS very well, and my favorite word processing software is still WordPerfect 5.1, so I think I am one who would actually like Linux. However, I do a lot of work with sound files, mainly with Cool Edit Pro. So I guess it would be impossible for me to give up Windows. At very least, I would have to buy two computers, and at this point that's far more trouble than it would be worth. - Joe On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:07:14 -0500 (EST) Joel Herda writes: > > Hello... > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > What is the deal with Linux? It won't emulate 98? I would think > they > > should devise some way to make it compatible with all the 98 > software? > > Linux is a free implementation of the Unix operating system. It is > built > on a vastly different model and philosophy from the Windows > operating > system that you're used to. In order to use it, you would need to > learn > whole new ways of interacting with and running a computer. > > Windows is a graphical operating system layered over what is now the > ghost > of DOS, originally Windows was just a pretty graphical way to run > DOS > commands. Some DOS commands superficially look like Unix commands. > > Here are some links that discuss the differences or features of > Linux: > http://mozillaquest.com/Linux4Windows/Linux4Windows01/Linux4Windows_01_01 _Story-01.html > http://www.extremetech.com/print_article/0,3428,a%253D5549,00.asp > > There's a lot of reading, and a lot of learning. A good metaphor > might be > Windows as a good all-in-one stereo system and Linux as a stack of > components. The all-in-one should play CD's okay, and is easy to > use, but > a component system is much more flexible when it comes to upgrading > and > adding new sound sources or recording devices, or changing > amplifiers, > even if it requires more knowledge to set up and use. > > While there is software that will run a Windows emulator on Linux, > most > people who learn to use it prefer not to use such emulators. > > Linux is free. You can download it freely. There are companies > that > gather together distributions and charge for CD's of their > distributions, > but the vast majority of Linux efforts are free. There is no big > company > to make it work one way or another, or to dictate standards, or to > change > standards capriciously. There is no "they" to make it "compatible > with > all the 98 software". If someone sees a real need to make Linux > compatible with something, then they search the Internet for > utilities to > do what they want, or occasionally they learn to program and write > the > code themselves. On the other hand, a number of programmers, > working for > free, are bringing software to the Unix/Linux world that emulates > the > functionality of Windows machines -- I haven't tried AbiWord yet, > but it > claims to be a free program that offers the functionality of > Microsoft > Word. > > The users of Linux are mainly concerned with a different level of > computing than Windows users. The common denominator of > readable-english > files on Unix systems is plain text, as opposed to the Windows > de-facto > standard of Microsoft Word. I read and write mail in a text-only > program > called Pine, which lays out a screen using only fixed-size > characters and > no graphics. In short, Linux is far "geekier". :) > > There are implementations of windowing systems that run on Linux, so > one > can use graphical applications instead of only using text to > communicate. > > > Exactly what do people who run Linux use for applications? > > Here are some of the main applications that I use, and their > purposes: > All of the programs I list are available completely free of > charge. Please note that I have left out all of the various > utilities > that come as part of the Unix operating system, like "more", > "less", > "grep", etc. All of these applications are free. > > Xfree86 the X window system gives Linux a graphical interface > netscape web browser usable when running the X window system > pine one of a number of free email readers > vi text editor, very fast but not easy, basic features > only > emacs sophisticated, extensible text editor, slower, really > requires a lot of learning > pico small basic text editor, more intuitive, very few > features, but fast > lynx text-only web browser > ssh secure, encrypted telnet > scp secure, encrypted file transfer > ircII Internet Relay Chat client > > The following are server applications, once again, all free: > > apache apache webserver is used on most unix webservers, and > is the most common webserver software in use on the > internet > sendmail mail transport between machines > wu-ftp FTP file server > amanda file backup utility > samba fileserving software that allows Windows machines to > mount Unix filesystems as if they were mounting > drives from a Windows-based fileserver; samba also > can act as a print server to Windows machines > > I do different things on Unix machines than I would do on a Windows > machine, most notably highly graphics- or interface-oriented > applications > like Microsoft Office, Quicken, and calendaring software, which I > run on > my Mac. > > > > joel > > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be > like me > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 05:22:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:22:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <000b01c17eb7$5217f020$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C102290.781B472@earthlink.net> <038f01c17ec7$de0a6760$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1043EA.3B95EA77@earthlink.net> The Gyro and Orbe are no longer available in two arm versions and while you can play 78s with the appropriate pulley, you have to change it to play at 33 rpm. You're correct about the double plinth on the Orbe though. I forgot about that. It's actually affect on sound quality is questionable, however. And while I have compared the Gyro motor to the Orbe motor, using the appropriate QC, I was unable to detect a difference. Regarding SME tables, I find them in general too tight fisted dynamically, a bit like a Krell KSA amplifier. The music doesn't seem to flow from them naturally, especially in the midrange. They tend to sound harmonically cold, where as the Michell tables are slightly plush, like real music.. While the midbass hump of the SME arms seems to help in this regard, I would take a Graham 2.2 arm over an SME any day of the week. The Graham offers much better low level detail and microdynamic shading too. In general, it's a much more refined sounding arm. JIm Volpatti Warren wrote: > First of all both the orbe and the gyrodec can play 78 rpm > you just have to get the multi speed pulley > (this of course won't adjust for the speed variations of 78's) > second Gyro's can be ordered to take two arms so you > can have one set up for mono or 78 and one for > stereo records. > > And no you can't really upgrade a gyro to an orbe > what you can do is add the outboard motor supply > (either a qc or vc) and you can add the damping compound > and the orbe platter and clamp (this is a great upgrade) > but you still don't have the motor housing and the double > isolation to start. > > And while I think there is nothing better at their price points > than the orbe or gyro the SME tables *are* better > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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They are different in many technical > respects and there is no question Win2000 is more stable > and offers far better security, but still may lack > drivers for some boards or devices. If you switch to > Win2000 and happen to own one of these boards, you are > facing the expense of replacing it. If this (and cost > of Win2000 itself) is of small concern, Win2000 is a > better choice. > > Second: the OS allocates hard disk space by assigning > each file a specific number of 'allocations units', all > of which are of a fixed size, determined once and for > all at the time of HD partitioning. The larger the logical > drive, the larger are the allocation units. > > Because each file gets an integer number of allocation > units (there is no way to allocate, say, half a unit) the > last allocation unit may not be filled. This makes for > waste of drive space, called 'slack'. Obviously, the > larger each allocation unit is, the more space is wasted > by the average file. As a result, partitioning a large > physical drive into two smaller logical drives is more > space efficient. > > Having said all this, HD space has become so cheap that > most people just ignore space efficiency and go for a > single partition per physical drive. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... > > > > Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > > > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > > > differences between them relative to stability. > > > > > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > > > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > > > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > > > lacked plug n play), etc. > > > > > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > > > much of the stability NT had. > > > > > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > > > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > > > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > > > readily available now. > > > > > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > > > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > > > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > > > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > > > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > > > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > > > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > > > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > > > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > > > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > > > anyway. > > > > > > TomD > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 05:39:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:39:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C101DD6.F1C60E32@earthlink.net> <035f01c17ec6$3adbeb00$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C102BC8.76A304B9@earthlink.net> <042601c17ecb$ff37ea80$12ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C104809.58860F8E@earthlink.net> > > Have you tried to get a straight bounce on the new Gyro or Orbe? Not > nearly as easy as > > most would care to admit. > > Yes I have, as my gyro with orbe upgrades is current spec > I have also set up many gyro's and orbes over the years and I find it easier > to use > now than before (mk1, mk2) Maybe easier than before but still a pain, especially if you're building a Michell for the first time. > Also, depending on the armboard, it's possible to it > > incorrectly, throwing the entire cartridge alignment way off. > > Could you explain this a little more clearly I admit that the only arms > I have used on the table are a Wilson Bensch act 2, rega rb300, Sme V, > and a manticore musician. So I am a little confused with how when using > the correct armboard which is weight matched to the table it would effect > either the bounce or arm set up. While the weight of the armboard is matched to each of the particular arms, the mounting holes for the arm aren't always placed symmetrically about the center axis. I've seen unmarked arm boards whose orientation with the plinth isn't indicated, spelling trouble for the inexperienced turntable builder. Setting up the cartridge is I admit a fairly complex task, especially if you haven't > done it before but that doesn't change the fact that the gyrodec is a lot > simpler > to set up than say a linn lp12 > Warren No offense Warren but saying that a Gyro is easier to set up than an LP12 is a bit like saying that a motorcycle engine is easier to tune than a Lamborghini. While true, it doesn't suggest that the average Joe should attempt a motorcycle tune up, hence my suggestion that Carl seek an qualified dealer to set up his table. Peace, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You could probably pick up Linux (and, by extension, Unix), pretty easily. > However, I do a lot of work with sound files, mainly with Cool Edit Pro. > So I guess it would be impossible for me to give up Windows. At very > least, I would have to buy two computers, and at this point that's far > more trouble than it would be worth. Well, if you wanted to try it out, you could create a dual-boot machine, and boot it into your choice of Windows or Linux. In general, i think your best bet is to build the Windows box you want. Don't forget a backup scheme for irreplaceable files! And sometime down the road, if you want to play with file serving, or whatever, get a cheapo pentium at a swapmeet or whatever, and boot Linux on it. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Fri Dec 7 06:40:43 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:40:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 In-Reply-To: <3C102441.75A0328D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Check that you can get drivers for your hardware first, but go for Win2000 on a single large partition. The Win2000 setup process checks for hardware compatibility at the outset, but this may be a little late as you will have already paid for the software. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 02:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > differences between them relative to stability. > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > lacked plug n play), etc. > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > much of the stability NT had. > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > readily available now. > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > anyway. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Fri Dec 7 06:47:53 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:47:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 In-Reply-To: <3C102441.75A0328D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Reply 2. Think about using something like Drive to Drive or Norton Ghost to replicate your existing hard drive to a new larger one. Then upgrade the new larger disk keeping the original as backup. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 02:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > differences between them relative to stability. > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > lacked plug n play), etc. > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 and > much of the stability NT had. > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items I > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > readily available now. > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition your > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on the > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have experienced > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't worry > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > anyway. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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They sounded good, > but I don't claim to have "golden ears". > > My main comment regarding the SMX tapes was with regard to the quality of > the shells. I have found them to be quite solid, much like the tapes we > used to buy before. > > -Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 07:20:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:20:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 References: Message-ID: <3C105F9A.9D8A86DD@earthlink.net> Great advice. Thanks David! Jim Volpatti David Lefebvre wrote: > Check that you can get drivers for your hardware first, but go for Win2000 > on a single large partition. The Win2000 setup process checks for hardware > compatibility at the outset, but this may be a little late as you will have > already paid for the software. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 December 2001 02:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 > > I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... > > Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? > > Jim Volpatti > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > > differences between them relative to stability. > > > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > > lacked plug n play), etc. > > > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 > and > > much of the stability NT had. > > > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items > I > > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > > readily available now. > > > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition > your > > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on > the > > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have > experienced > > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't > worry > > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > > anyway. > > > > TomD > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 07:23:48 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:23:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 References: Message-ID: <3C106073.A9772552@earthlink.net> I have a 13GB hard drive. Considering that I have only used 3 or those 13GB, I'm not planning to upgrade. Thanks though. Jim Volpatti David Lefebvre wrote: > Reply 2. > > Think about using something like Drive to Drive or Norton Ghost to replicate > your existing hard drive to a new larger one. Then upgrade the new larger > disk keeping the original as backup. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 December 2001 02:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1679 > > I don't plan to partition my hard drive at all so... > > Does anyone else have an opinion about 98 vs 2000 Pro? > > Jim Volpatti > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I can't tell you the technical differences between 2k & ME, but I can tell > > you that 2k is based on NT and ME is based on 95 and there are BIG > > differences between them relative to stability. > > > > When you were comparing NT4 vs 98, NT was more stable but a pain in the > > *(^%$#@ to set up. 98 on the other hand was easy to set up, but not very > > stable. By set up I am referring to drivers, hardware identification (NT > > lacked plug n play), etc. > > > > Now with 2k you have much of the ease of setting up that you had with 98 > and > > much of the stability NT had. > > > > When 2k was first introduced it lacked drivers for several of the "home" > > items such as games, joysticks, etc. Since I don't use any of these items > I > > never missed this, but as I understand it these drivers are common and > > readily available now. > > > > By the way, if you decide on 2k you may see recommendation to partition > your > > disk into at least 2 parts (ie C: & D: drives, but only 1 physical drive). > > These recommendations will tell you to allow 2 gig for 2k where it is > > installed and then put everything else, your applications, data, etc. on > the > > 2nd partition. I strongly discourage this. I have set up several PC's both > > ways and feel you should put everything in one partition. I have > experienced > > difficulty with temp files and some data that has to be on the C: drive, > > unless go deep and change defaults, which is a pain, causing the 2 gig > > partition to not be adequate. If this doesn't make sense to you, don't > worry > > about it, just install it all on one partition, which will be the default > > anyway. > > > > TomD > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 08:02:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:02:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Message-ID: <16b.5374747.2941c38c@aol.com> In a message dated 12/6/2001 7:04:45 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the difference between ME or 2000? BTW, thanks for all the info. Jim Volpatti >> Hey Jim, ME is basically a service-patch for 98 that Microsoft found a way to charge users for. Windows 2000, is a total new operating system. 2000 is more reliable as it prohibits certain executions that generally make past Windows operating systems crash. I have been thinking of upgrading to Windows 2000 with a "clean" install. If I do, I'll let you know what I learned. At the moment I am running ME as an upgrade. I pray this helps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Dec 7 08:13:08 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 07:13:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic Message-ID: With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip in with mine. Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer in the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, is this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, any ideas? Cheers. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 08:33:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 23:33:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: <16b.5374747.2941c38c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1070AD.1B412C60@earthlink.net> Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll most likely take the plunge. Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/2001 7:04:45 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but > what is the > difference between ME or 2000? > > BTW, thanks for all the info. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Hey Jim, > > ME is basically a service-patch for 98 that Microsoft found a way to charge > users for. Windows 2000, is a total new operating system. 2000 is more > reliable as it prohibits certain executions that generally make past Windows > operating systems crash. I have been thinking of upgrading to Windows 2000 > with a "clean" install. If I do, I'll let you know what I learned. At the > moment I am running ME as an upgrade. I pray this helps. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Dec 7 08:37:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:37:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Message-ID: <11a.85cd6a9.2941cbc4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll most likely take the plunge. Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti >> Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would recommend that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment better? Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Dec 7 09:25:28 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:55:28 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Message-ID: <000401c17ef8$ba767880$42d60192@vsnl> I think win2000 Pro is server version like win NT server while win 2000 is equivalent to Win NT single user version or work station license. One of the important point people should remember using such secure OS - need to keep the login password without forgetting it. Incase you lose your password you cannot login at-all like Unix versions - also if you format the HD with NFS file system, you cannot get back files incase you cannot login. Sometimes it is a big pain using your personal computer with such multiuser OS. Coupled with the above Microsoft preying on you ( without your permission ofcourse) makes it terrible -incase of XP. Better to use Dual boot machine with win 98V2 and linux. Linux can be used for browsing the internet or accessing mails without virus problems while Win 98 can be used for most of your regular use. Also you get Sun' office suite free for Linux that can open any MS word/ excell doc is a nice bonus. Generally Win98V2 does not crash. I have been using Dos till winNT 4 so far; and feel that Microsoft had come a long way from Windows 3.1 version and once in while reboot can be tolerated for the benefits of using multitude of sherwear programs like Speaker design or PCB making etc. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 >In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > ><< Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. > > Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll >most likely > take the plunge. > > Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? > > Jim Volpatti >> > >Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would recommend >that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove >useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment >better? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 10:03:49 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:03:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 In-Reply-To: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: ME is based on DOS....Win 2K Pro is NOT..it is a true 32 bit preemptive multitasking system. What that basically means to we users is that you can run more than one application (quite a few, actually, if you've the RAM) concurrently. Win 2k "slices" up the processor; win 95/98/me can only do one thing at a time. You can have lots of windows open (just like on a mac, which is also..at least until OS X...a single tasking system) but only one of those applications is executing at a time. If you upgrade to Win 2K Pro you will never look back Jim. I have a NT machine as well as a 2k machine; only the 2k gets used as it brings USB and digital camera support to the table. My machine goes days, sometimes weeks, without having to reboot. I routinely have five or six apps open and am a very fast typist and move between them very rapidly. The PC is a Dell Dimension w/1ghz pentium III and 256mb ram, 40bg drive; probably overkill but it is a nice machine and I will feel no need for another PC for a few years. Unlike the turntable.... Carl ps: hey, got an offer of 115 for my rega p2 with the rb200 s shaped arm.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the difference between ME or 2000? BTW, thanks for all the info. Jim Volpatti Tom Dedrick wrote: > Jim, > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > May the force be with you. > > TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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S" wrote: > I think win2000 Pro is server version like win NT server while win 2000 is > equivalent to Win NT single user version or work station license. > One of the important point people should remember using such secure OS - > need to keep the login password without forgetting it. > Incase you lose your password you cannot login at-all like Unix versions - > also if you format the HD with NFS file system, you cannot get back files > incase you cannot login. Sometimes it is a big pain using your personal > computer with such multiuser OS. > Coupled with the above Microsoft preying on you ( without your permission > ofcourse) makes it terrible -incase of XP. Better to use Dual boot machine > with win 98V2 and linux. Linux can be used for browsing the internet or > accessing mails without virus problems while Win 98 can be used for most of > your regular use. Also you get Sun' office suite free for Linux that can > open any MS word/ excell doc is a nice bonus. > Generally Win98V2 does not crash. I have been using Dos till winNT 4 so > far; and feel that Microsoft had come a long way from Windows 3.1 version > and once in while reboot can be tolerated for the benefits of using > multitude of sherwear programs like Speaker design or PCB making etc. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > > >In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, > >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > ><< Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. > > > > Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll > >most likely > > take the plunge. > > > > Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > >Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would recommend > >that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove > >useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment > >better? Thanks. > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 10:21:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 01:21:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: Message-ID: <3C108A13.4D785AC4@earthlink.net> Thanks Carl. Then I just need to confirm that my Dell Dimension XPS Pentium II 450 mhz, peripherals and drivers are w2000 compatible and that there aren't any glaring privacy issues. Any other opinions on w2000 vs w2000 pro? Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > ME is based on DOS....Win 2K Pro is NOT..it is a true 32 bit preemptive > multitasking system. What that basically means to we users is that you can > run more than one application (quite a few, actually, if you've the RAM) > concurrently. Win 2k "slices" up the processor; win 95/98/me can only do > one thing at a time. You can have lots of windows open (just like on a mac, > which is also..at least until OS X...a single tasking system) but only one > of those applications is executing at a time. > > If you upgrade to Win 2K Pro you will never look back Jim. I have a NT > machine as well as a 2k machine; only the 2k gets used as it brings USB and > digital camera support to the table. My machine goes days, sometimes weeks, > without having to reboot. I routinely have five or six apps open and am a > very fast typist and move between them very rapidly. The PC is a Dell > Dimension w/1ghz pentium III and 256mb ram, 40bg drive; probably overkill > but it is a nice machine and I will feel no need for another PC for a few > years. > > Unlike the turntable.... > > Carl > ps: hey, got an offer of 115 for my rega p2 with the rb200 s shaped arm.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Dec 7 10:43:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:13:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Message-ID: <000c01c17f03$ae287140$42d60192@vsnl> I think win2K explicitly does not send back info on your machine - but I think Internet explorer for win2k sends back some info - I am not very sure about this whereas WinXP sends back info as all the patches and upgrades are to be applied thru internet. Nice to hear that Microsoft gives you neat support without you calling their salesman; but god knows what all info they will take from your machine? Win 2000 itself requires hardware compatibilty ( you cannot buy all funny Taiwanese hardware and expect that to work with these OS even though most of the existing known manufacturer should work though)- one reason why they are stable like Mac - Microsoft finally coming around to impose hardware and driver quality /stabilty etc. And cost wise I think win2000 is not that expansive as Win XP?? And OS like Win2000 require larger memory for running minimum programmes - I do not think that may matter now because of cheap memory prices but if you are installing on your 2 year old machine probably that cost may have to be added. Seeing the memory hogging WinNT - Linux with 32 Mb memory can do much better job ( of multitasking) than winNT with 128 Mb or more memory . I do not think Windows OS s going to beat UNiX anyday on performance ? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 >So then, are there privacy issues with both w2000 and xp?? > >Jim Volpatti > > > > >"Kannan. S" wrote: > >> I think win2000 Pro is server version like win NT server while win 2000 is >> equivalent to Win NT single user version or work station license. >> One of the important point people should remember using such secure OS - >> need to keep the login password without forgetting it. >> Incase you lose your password you cannot login at-all like Unix versions - >> also if you format the HD with NFS file system, you cannot get back files >> incase you cannot login. Sometimes it is a big pain using your personal >> computer with such multiuser OS. >> Coupled with the above Microsoft preying on you ( without your permission >> ofcourse) makes it terrible -incase of XP. Better to use Dual boot machine >> with win 98V2 and linux. Linux can be used for browsing the internet or >> accessing mails without virus problems while Win 98 can be used for most of >> your regular use. Also you get Sun' office suite free for Linux that can >> open any MS word/ excell doc is a nice bonus. >> Generally Win98V2 does not crash. I have been using Dos till winNT 4 so >> far; and feel that Microsoft had come a long way from Windows 3.1 version >> and once in while reboot can be tolerated for the benefits of using >> multitude of sherwear programs like Speaker design or PCB making etc. >> Kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 >> >> >In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, >> >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: >> > >> ><< Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. >> > >> > Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll >> >most likely >> > take the plunge. >> > >> > Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? >> > >> > Jim Volpatti >> >> > >> >Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would recommend >> >that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove >> >useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment >> >better? Thanks. >> > >> >-Sam >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> ======== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> ======== >> > >> > >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 12:29:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:29:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C101DD6.F1C60E32@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001901c17f12$65508840$299087d9@a4s1s2> Jim What about "factory returns"? Might Carl be able to get one of those via a dealer ... as yourself ... at a nice price well below the book?? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 01:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions If $1200 is your budget for a turntable, you're better off trying to find a used Gyro. A new Gyro starts at $1800 and goes up from there, depending on options. Due to popularity, and the fact that Michell refuses to compromise quality, it is in very short supply. Michell tables are covered by a two warranty. Please be aware that the turntable ships in virtual kit form. If you are comfortable building the turntable from the ground up, great. If not, make sure your local dealer knows what he's doing (my original Gyro was slapped together by a dealer who supposedly specialized in turntables and required considerable adjustment to optimize the set up) and ask how much he charges to assemble it on your behalf. Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity - Where the music comes alive! 415 928-2990 Tiberius Gaius wrote: > What's the price on a new gyro? The best price, of course. What is the > warranty? > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I haven't bought a new bit of hi fi since my first Rotel CD player (CD965) ... no, tell a lie - not since I bought, and had modified at the same time, a QED DAC with two Positron power supplies (one for the digi' stage and one for the analogue stage) So, that must be at least 10 years ago. Since then, like my cars, I always buy used, "shop soiled" or "factory returns", or I've modified what I've got. More bang for the buck. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 02:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Well Graham, I guess you'll have to choose between the ability to play your 78s and a table whose build quality and performance can't be touched at anywhere near the price. The only table available in the US that comes close is the $3000 Basis 2001. For $2000 ($200 more than the Gyro) the Basis 2000 doesn't even offer proper suspension. Also, the Gyro can be upgraded to the Orbe level in two reasonably priced steps. Well, almost. The Orbe has a speed servo circuit that is only available on the Orbe. I'll gladly put the Orbe up against any table out there, regardless of price, and am confident that it will at least hold it's own if not best the other table. And for only $3500 too. I'm VERY particular about the lines I carry. Michell was a brainer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Absolutely! That's why I said - rather, implied - this was only a > subjective impression, although (in my defence, Judge) I did hear both TT's > at the same shop even if it might not ave been in the same room!! ;o) Lots > of variables may have made that difference rather than the TTs, even the > phono leads ... > > Anyway, it was an old Gyrodeck ... > > .... and I have to admit, they do look good! > > Must admit also, tho' - one of those Thorens 126 Mark III's with the two > tone arms have caught my lusting eye ... like the thought of two arms and a > different cartridge on each, maybe even a Ortofon M40 on one so I could swap > the sylus for a 78 when I wanted to play the old shelacs... > > .... which (to bring this back to topic) I would then spend many a happy > hour dubbing onto my Nakamichi cassette decks!!! > > G > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Fri Dec 7 13:01:18 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:01:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic Message-ID: <200112071201.fB7C1IC11707@mailgate5.cinetic.de> I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone 2660 6-CD-Changer. Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best for being used in the german frequency jungle. Klaus > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip in > with mine. > > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer in > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, is > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, any > ideas? Cheers. > > Kelvin. -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Dec 7 15:02:21 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:02:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: Message-ID: <007901c17f27$ca774230$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> And it's even better with XP! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the > PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintosh non > multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tom Dedrick > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > > > Jim, > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > May the force be with you. > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:17 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > > > naktalk-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1676 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:29:25 +0200 (EET) > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > > Thanks Stephen! > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > Any advices by any chance? > > Thanks a lot! > Misha > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0500 > From: Javier Perez > Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:39:38 +1100 > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > > Hi Javier, > > Yes there is a projector available that does have adjustments. The > NEC VT540 Multisync projector has trapezoidal adjustment. I'm not sure if > this is the same model number for overseas. The unit costs around > $4000-$5000 Australian. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:26 > To: russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > > > Hi Guys > Sorry for the OT > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > to get both perspectives. > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > projection. I'de like to mount something like > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > ceiling > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > illumination. > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > Javier > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > KT88 based home theatre amp? > No one was able to lift it! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:13:11 -0500 > From: "Warren" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > > Most projectors have a keystone adjustment > some work better than others but its only up down > not left right. > Warren > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology > > > > Hi Guys > > Sorry for the OT > > I'm posting to a camera group and and a hifi group > > to get both perspectives. > > > > I was wondering if a TV projection system exists > > that allows you to compensate for offcentred > > projection. I'de like to mount something like > > that in my livingroom because there's no way of putting > > the projector right in the middle. A system sort of > > like a multi axis view camera comes to mind but I'm not sure > > if it exists in a projection format. I'de like to mount the thing in the > > ceiling > > but would like to avoid a trapezoid shaped screen and uneven > > illumination. > > I know next to nothing about home theatre and usually don't care but my > > wife loves the new DVDs and giant screens for some reason > > Any advice is greatly appreciated > > > > Javier > > > > PS: BTW guys Did you hear about the new 6 channel 70 Watt > > KT88 based home theatre amp? > > No one was able to lift it! > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:02 +0000 > From: FRED MOSS > Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables > > >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my > experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge > with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds > better > than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable > time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used > but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously > at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later > upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a > freind > bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc > he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring > myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an > Lp12. > Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has > got > to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that > sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and > hear > what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered > Refence > and then buy a slide rule! > > >Fred > > ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > ===== > >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who > >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I > >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more > >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > > > >Graham > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >ole thofte > >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in > >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m > and > >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like > >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. > >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of > >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had > >no complaints. > >Ole > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > - ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:26:31 +0000 > From: FRED MOSS > Subject: [naktalk] RE:[Naktalk] turntables > > >The turntable can of worms has been opened and I can share some of my > experieces. I use an Lp 12 with Naim Aro arm Lyra Clavis Da-capo cartridge > with Naim Armageddon power supply and of course I will reckon it sounds > better > than all those other t/tables previously mentioned! I did spend considerable > time in comparing several decks - Gyrodeck-Roxsan-cannot remwmber arms used > but cartridge was a Dynavector and they were all in the same room. Obviously > at that time I preferred the Linn. It had lingo power supply that was later > upgraded to the Armageddon and that made a huge improvement.Recently a > freind > bought some American contraption called Well Tempered Reference with arm etc > he spent three weeks with a slide rule setting up the arm!I couldnt bring > myself to tell him it was better than his previous rig as he had had an > Lp12. > Well there of course lies the answer....whatever is in my living room has > got > to be great and the problem is that I am familiar with the sound and that > sound has become my reference. You will just have to listen yourself and > hear > what you prefer best...I am going to look on E-Bay for a Well Tempered > Refence > and then buy a slide rule! > > >Fred > > ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > ===== > >There was a small business audio speaker maker in Norwich (Norfolk, UK) who > >used to specialise in building them inside moulded concrete boxes. I > >suspect he might have sold them better if he could have come up with a more > >exotic name than "concrete" ... too many associations with building sites! > > > >Graham > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >ole thofte > >Sent: 05 December 2001 05:46 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Speaking of McIntosh... > > > > > >Don't say cement is always ugly. I visited the most fancy furniturestore in > >Copenhagen and they had this coffeetable made of a raw cementblock 1mX1m > and > >the legs looked like bulldog legs 30 cm tall, and made of some silver-like > >metal. Very modern, very goodloking in a way if you have the castle for it. > >Then again: my own loudspeakerstand for my 2-way speakers is a honk of > >concrete 1m tall and 20 x 15 cm on top. I've painted it white and have had > >no complaints. > >Ole > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > - ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:48:58 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > > If you hear the laser making a slight squeal sound for more than half a > second during disc starting, then you'll need to silicone-spray the platter > motor(if I am remembering correctly that it has the same crappy brush motor > as the CDX-1100) or replace it. It may also be simply a case of inadequate > lubrication of the pick-up sled guide rails. With power off, the laser > should slide smoothly all the way back & forth when the deck is tilted > forward & back about 30 or 40 degrees of angle. The spec is for a very, > very light silicone grease, but a very light lithium grease will work as > well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Yamaha CDX-2200 > > > > Thanks Stephen! > > > > I got one directly from Japan (along with some nice topic units ;-) > > Like it very much, especialy build quality and apgradeability. > > Do you have any expirience of working with CDX-2200? > > Looks like mine may have some trouble - sometime it may take couple > > seconds to start playing and sounds like extensive pickup mooving. > > However laser should be in a very good shape - it reads any > > kind of CD including very bad pyrate copys and CDR. Maybe some > > ajustment needed? But untill now I've managed to find only one > > trip pot on a control board - something like "DC offset"and it's all. > > Any advices by any chance? > > > > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > > > > > > > >The Yamaha CDX-2200 is not a bad player. Maybe a bit bright sounding, > > >otherwise pretty good. The transport is good but for a poor choice of > > >platter motor, if memory serves. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Dec 7 15:34:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Jim XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let along tried it, saying don't use it. ME should never have been released. 2000 is a vast improvement on everything before it but XP is the icing on the cake. Give the doubters time and all of a sudden they will be saying "have you tried XP, WOW!" Maximum PC Magazine was initially very skeptical but realized right away that XP is truly something special. And Jim, you should know very well about skeptics with your profession. It is so stable, I've never yet seen a "blue screen of death" and never have to reboot my system because of errors. Maybe it's not for everybody yet, most peoples systems probably need to catch up with it but on my homebuilt (~ $800 )1.4 GHz. AMD Athlon Thunderbird, 512k. DDR 2100 Ram and latest Epox Motherboard she kicks butt! Now if I could get fast Internet access to go with it life would be just hunky dory! ;-) Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the > difference between ME or 2000? > > BTW, thanks for all the info. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > > > May the force be with you. > > > > TomD > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Fri Dec 7 17:18:29 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:18:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 In-Reply-To: <3C1070AD.1B412C60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: W2000 Pro is the "workstation" version and is the one you should go for. Above that is Win2000 Server and Win2000 Advanced Server for servers. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 07:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll most likely take the plunge. Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/2001 7:04:45 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but > what is the > difference between ME or 2000? > > BTW, thanks for all the info. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Hey Jim, > > ME is basically a service-patch for 98 that Microsoft found a way to charge > users for. Windows 2000, is a total new operating system. 2000 is more > reliable as it prohibits certain executions that generally make past Windows > operating systems crash. I have been thinking of upgrading to Windows 2000 > with a "clean" install. If I do, I'll let you know what I learned. At the > moment I am running ME as an upgrade. I pray this helps. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Fri Dec 7 18:56:26 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:56:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1687 In-Reply-To: <200112071434.PAA32059@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: >> I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the >> PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintoshnon >> multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. This is not entirely true ... try running 2K on a 16 Mb machine and compare it to a Mac/Win95/98/ME on a 256Mb machine, and you'll say that 2K doesn't work . If preemptive multitasking was really important on a PC, everybody would have been using a Unix system since somewhere in the early 80's . The reason for preemptive multitasking was to try and use the processor always for the full 100 % ... at that time processing power was really expensive, so the goal was to use everything you paid for . In the PC-world, the typical processor usage is around 2%, in the mainframe world, it is over 95%, and usually 100% . One of the big differences between the two environments, is that the mainframe world wasn't interactive ... all the data were gathered and then treated as a batch ... at the speed of the slowest element, which is the Input/Output . Since a lot of the time, the processor was waiting for data to continue his work, multitasking became a need, allowing other jobs to use the processor while the first job was waiting for data to be delivered . All this has very little benefit in a PC-environment : since the processor has to handle a big part of the input/output, it will only slow down the whole process if it is allowed to handle another task . Where it could be useful, is where you'd have a spreadsheet that asks for tens of minutes of calculation time, because it would allow you to continue typing in Word, while the calculation is run in the background, but I think this type of usage is relatively rare in a PC environment . What is an important feature (and well implemented in 2000), is the memory protection : every application gets its own dedicated space in memory, and - at least if the program is written like it should have been- can only access that space : if it goes bezerk, it won't have an impact on other applications or on Windows itself, and hence, the system will be much more stable . Anyway ... if you get W2000, you'll have memory protection and preemptive multitasking . The difference between 2000 and 2000 PRO are the server abilities and features, so ... if you don't need them ... go for 2000 ... the less functions, the less that needs to be customised and the less that can go wrong . Amen :-) Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 19:22:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:22:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: <000c01c17f03$ae287140$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C1108D2.A0D0986C@earthlink.net> Thank you, Kannan. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > I think win2K explicitly does not send back info on your machine - but I > think Internet explorer for win2k sends back some info - I am not very sure > about this whereas WinXP sends back info as all the patches and upgrades are > to be applied thru internet. Nice to hear that Microsoft gives you neat > support without you calling their salesman; but god knows what all info they > will take from your machine? > Win 2000 itself requires hardware compatibilty ( you cannot buy all funny > Taiwanese hardware and expect that to work with these OS even though most of > the existing known manufacturer should work though)- one reason why they are > stable like Mac - Microsoft finally coming around to impose hardware and > driver quality /stabilty etc. > And cost wise I think win2000 is not that expansive as Win XP?? > And OS like Win2000 require larger memory for running minimum programmes - I > do not think that may matter now because of cheap memory prices but if you > are installing on your 2 year old machine probably that cost may have to be > added. > Seeing the memory hogging WinNT - Linux with 32 Mb memory can do much better > job ( of multitasking) than winNT with 128 Mb or more memory . I do not > think Windows OS s going to beat UNiX anyday on performance ? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > > >So then, are there privacy issues with both w2000 and xp?? > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > >"Kannan. S" wrote: > > > >> I think win2000 Pro is server version like win NT server while win 2000 > is > >> equivalent to Win NT single user version or work station license. > >> One of the important point people should remember using such secure OS - > >> need to keep the login password without forgetting it. > >> Incase you lose your password you cannot login at-all like Unix > versions - > >> also if you format the HD with NFS file system, you cannot get back files > >> incase you cannot login. Sometimes it is a big pain using your personal > >> computer with such multiuser OS. > >> Coupled with the above Microsoft preying on you ( without your permission > >> ofcourse) makes it terrible -incase of XP. Better to use Dual boot > machine > >> with win 98V2 and linux. Linux can be used for browsing the internet or > >> accessing mails without virus problems while Win 98 can be used for most > of > >> your regular use. Also you get Sun' office suite free for Linux that can > >> open any MS word/ excell doc is a nice bonus. > >> Generally Win98V2 does not crash. I have been using Dos till winNT 4 so > >> far; and feel that Microsoft had come a long way from Windows 3.1 version > >> and once in while reboot can be tolerated for the benefits of using > >> multitude of sherwear programs like Speaker design or PCB making etc. > >> Kannan > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:54 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > >> > >> >In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, > >> >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > >> > > >> ><< Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. > >> > > >> > Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, > I'll > >> >most likely > >> > take the plunge. > >> > > >> > Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? > >> > > >> > Jim Volpatti >> > >> > > >> >Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would > recommend > >> >that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove > >> >useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment > >> >better? 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Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:08:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:08:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <001a01c17f12$66ec8500$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1113B7.244CD8E3@earthlink.net> Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local dealers have gone out of business. Granted, not every dealer is deserving of your business but those that are should be rewarded with at least a little business every once in a while. Otherwise, you'll have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that the industry has to offer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Ah! But that's if you buy "new". I haven't bought a new bit of hi fi since > my first Rotel CD player (CD965) ... no, tell a lie - not since I bought, > and had modified at the same time, a QED DAC with two Positron power > supplies (one for the digi' stage and one for the analogue stage) So, that > must be at least 10 years ago. Since then, like my cars, I always buy used, > "shop soiled" or "factory returns", or I've modified what I've got. More > bang for the buck. > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:12:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:12:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C1114A9.9E4DF1CA@earthlink.net> That all sounds good John but I do have serious reservations about XP due to privacy issues. Any thoughts? Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim > > XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > along tried it, saying don't use it. ME should never have been released. > 2000 is a vast improvement on everything before it but XP is the icing on > the cake. Give the doubters time and all of a sudden they will be saying > "have you tried XP, WOW!" Maximum PC Magazine was initially very skeptical > but realized right away that XP is truly something special. And Jim, you > should know very well about skeptics with your profession. It is so stable, > I've never yet seen a "blue screen of death" and never have to reboot my > system because of errors. Maybe it's not for everybody yet, most peoples > systems probably need to catch up with it but on my homebuilt (~ $800 )1.4 > GHz. AMD Athlon Thunderbird, 512k. DDR 2100 Ram and latest Epox Motherboard > she kicks butt! Now if I could get fast Internet access to go with it life > would be just hunky dory! ;-) > > Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > > > Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but > what is the > > difference between ME or 2000? > > > > BTW, thanks for all the info. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > > > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely > vote > > > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > > > > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win > 95 > > > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > > > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I > feel > > > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > > > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > > > > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > > > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard > drives > > > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > > > > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > > > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs > are > > > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after > you > > > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > > > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > > > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > > > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > > > > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if > you > > > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > > > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > > > officially support them until they are released in the next service > pack. > > > > > > May the force be with you. > > > > > > TomD > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:18:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:18:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1687 References: Message-ID: <3C1115F7.351DD3CA@earthlink.net> Thanks Eddy. = ) Jim Volpatti POLLET Eddy wrote: > > >> I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the > >> PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintoshnon > >> multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. > > This is not entirely true ... try running 2K on a 16 Mb machine and compare > it to a Mac/Win95/98/ME on a 256Mb machine, and you'll say that 2K doesn't > work . > If preemptive multitasking was really important on a PC, everybody would > have been using a Unix system since somewhere in the early 80's . > The reason for preemptive multitasking was to try and use the processor > always for the full 100 % ... at that time processing power was really > expensive, so the goal was to use everything you paid for . In the PC-world, > the typical processor usage is around 2%, in the mainframe world, it is over > 95%, and usually 100% . > One of the big differences between the two environments, is that the > mainframe world wasn't interactive ... all the data were gathered and then > treated as a batch ... at the speed of the slowest element, which is the > Input/Output . Since a lot of the time, the processor was waiting for data > to continue his work, multitasking became a need, allowing other jobs to use > the processor while the first job was waiting for data to be delivered . All > this has very little benefit in a PC-environment : since the processor has > to handle a big part of the input/output, it will only slow down the whole > process if it is allowed to handle another task . Where it could be useful, > is where you'd have a spreadsheet that asks for tens of minutes of > calculation time, because it would allow you to continue typing in Word, > while the calculation is run in the background, but I think this type of > usage is relatively rare in a PC environment . > > What is an important feature (and well implemented in 2000), is the memory > protection : every application gets its own dedicated space in memory, and - > at least if the program is written like it should have been- can only access > that space : if it goes bezerk, it won't have an impact on other > applications or on Windows itself, and hence, the system will be much more > stable . > > Anyway ... if you get W2000, you'll have memory protection and preemptive > multitasking . The difference between 2000 and 2000 PRO are the server > abilities and features, so ... if you don't need them ... go for 2000 ... > the less functions, the less that needs to be customised and the less that > can go wrong . > > Amen :-) > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 20:20:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:20:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C1113B7.244CD8E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002c01c17f54$2a16c400$299087d9@a4s1s2> Very good point, Jim. There's the difference between good local dealers and the big mail order discount houses. What one needs is something in the middle, where the buying power of the big house can keep prices down whilst retaining something of the service that the local dealers offer. Richer Sounds in the UK seem (to me) to be the closest we come to that in the UK. However, when it comes to paying the local dealer £1k for something that can be bought for £0.5k at the discount store ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 07:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local dealers have gone out of business. Granted, not every dealer is deserving of your business but those that are should be rewarded with at least a little business every once in a while. Otherwise, you'll have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that the industry has to offer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Ah! But that's if you buy "new". I haven't bought a new bit of hi fi since > my first Rotel CD player (CD965) ... no, tell a lie - not since I bought, > and had modified at the same time, a QED DAC with two Positron power > supplies (one for the digi' stage and one for the analogue stage) So, that > must be at least 10 years ago. Since then, like my cars, I always buy used, > "shop soiled" or "factory returns", or I've modified what I've got. More > bang for the buck. > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:32:23 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:32:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 AND some nakamichi content In-Reply-To: <000401c17ef8$ba767880$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Not 100% sure but I think there is a product called Windows 2000 Professional Server; the other product is Windows 2000 Professional Workstation. Probably easier for someboday interested in learning more to simply go to www.microsoft.com and check it out. Ah, nakamichi.....what is a 680 two speed in nice condition, seems to work fine (have not scoped it; not a tech), no manual/box..just the deck worth? Seems 2 to 300 to somebody who just has to have one; I could care less about the two speed recording/playback feature as I never record cassettes anylonger and only listen to the 1000 odd dead live shows I"ve tapes of and little motivation transfer to CDR at this point. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 I think win2000 Pro is server version like win NT server while win 2000 is equivalent to Win NT single user version or work station license. One of the important point people should remember using such secure OS - need to keep the login password without forgetting it. Incase you lose your password you cannot login at-all like Unix versions - also if you format the HD with NFS file system, you cannot get back files incase you cannot login. Sometimes it is a big pain using your personal computer with such multiuser OS. Coupled with the above Microsoft preying on you ( without your permission ofcourse) makes it terrible -incase of XP. Better to use Dual boot machine with win 98V2 and linux. Linux can be used for browsing the internet or accessing mails without virus problems while Win 98 can be used for most of your regular use. Also you get Sun' office suite free for Linux that can open any MS word/ excell doc is a nice bonus. Generally Win98V2 does not crash. I have been using Dos till winNT 4 so far; and feel that Microsoft had come a long way from Windows 3.1 version and once in while reboot can be tolerated for the benefits of using multitude of sherwear programs like Speaker design or PCB making etc. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 >In a message dated 12/7/2001 1:35:33 AM Central Standard Time, >jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > ><< Yes it does, Sam. Thanks. > > Once that I verify that my hardware and drivers are w2000 compatible, I'll >most likely > take the plunge. > > Is there much of a difference between w2000 and w2000 Pro? > > Jim Volpatti >> > >Hmmmmm, not sure. I believe I have 2000 Professional. I would recommend >that version as generally is will contain extra features that may prove >useful. Does anyone on this list know the differences and can comment >better? Thanks. > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:44:40 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:44:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C1113B7.244CD8E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, Most people simply cannot afford truly good high end equipment when each piece costs a minimum of 1 to 2 grand. And, the learning part of it is very expensive as we all know; just about everybody here has done his (at least one her?) part to support retail by buying a 2k amp and then selling the damn thing for 500 to 800 four years later. We are simply using our knowledge to take advantage of an industry that's technology has not changed all that much in the past ten years. Why should I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? Regards Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local dealers have gone out of business. Granted, not every dealer is deserving of your business but those that are should be rewarded with at least a little business every once in a while. Otherwise, you'll have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that the industry has to offer. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > Ah! But that's if you buy "new". I haven't bought a new bit of hi fi since > my first Rotel CD player (CD965) ... no, tell a lie - not since I bought, > and had modified at the same time, a QED DAC with two Positron power > supplies (one for the digi' stage and one for the analogue stage) So, that > must be at least 10 years ago. Since then, like my cars, I always buy used, > "shop soiled" or "factory returns", or I've modified what I've got. More > bang for the buck. > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:55:05 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:55:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: I will not upgrade or use XP due to its activation requirement. That is intrusive and I will not participate. I'll keep win 2k until it is no longer supported. In the meantime I will purchase a Linux workstation package (with all the software you'll just about ever need), install it on the spare HP workstation, and learn how to use it in anticipation of the day I can Fire Bill!!! I don't like giving money to Bill; never have. I used to work on the Redmond campus; that made me like it even less. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Jim XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let along tried it, saying don't use it. ME should never have been released. 2000 is a vast improvement on everything before it but XP is the icing on the cake. Give the doubters time and all of a sudden they will be saying "have you tried XP, WOW!" Maximum PC Magazine was initially very skeptical but realized right away that XP is truly something special. And Jim, you should know very well about skeptics with your profession. It is so stable, I've never yet seen a "blue screen of death" and never have to reboot my system because of errors. Maybe it's not for everybody yet, most peoples systems probably need to catch up with it but on my homebuilt (~ $800 )1.4 GHz. AMD Athlon Thunderbird, 512k. DDR 2100 Ram and latest Epox Motherboard she kicks butt! Now if I could get fast Internet access to go with it life would be just hunky dory! ;-) Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 > Well, it seems pretty clear that I shouldn't waste my time with XP but what is the > difference between ME or 2000? > > BTW, thanks for all the info. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Tom Dedrick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I am a couple of days late catching up on emails, but regarding the OS's > > looks like you got a lot of good advice. Just my 2¢ worth I definitely vote > > for Win 2k. I don't have any experience with the XP's yet. > > > > Until I switched to NT 4, which 2k is a derivative of, I was using Win 95 > > warmed over and then known as Win 98 (it was again warmed over as ME). I > > rarely got more than a days work in with out rebooting. Even though I feel > > rebooting is almost as important putting on fresh shorts daily, you can > > easily go several days before 2k requires a reboot. > > > > If you are having reservations, the idea of purchasing a 2nd hard drive > > would be a good idea, especially when you look at the cost of hard drives > > vs. possible data loss - it becomes low cost insurance. > > > > One thing I didn't see addressed is service packs. NT went through 6+ > > service packs and 2k is currently on service pack 2. These service packs are > > bug fixes, driver updates, security patches, etc. They are applied after you > > make the install and can easily be found by clicking on start/windows > > update, which takes you to a Microsoft web site with instructions. You > > should click on Product updates where you will find a listing of fixes > > customized to your pc of available, recommended and critical updates. > > > > Be aware service packs are fully tested and supported by Microsoft (if you > > can call what they do support). There have been several updates since > > service pack 2 and these are also known as hot fixes. Microsoft does not > > officially support them until they are released in the next service pack. > > > > May the force be with you. > > > > TomD > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:55:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:55:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic In-Reply-To: <200112071201.fB7C1IC11707@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Klaus Fendt Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:01 AM To: nak Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone 2660 6-CD-Changer. Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best for being used in the german frequency jungle. Klaus > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip in > with mine. > > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer in > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, is > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, any > ideas? Cheers. > > Kelvin. -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 20:50:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:50:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c17f58$72103940$299087d9@a4s1s2> A thought ...one might also argue that the second-hand market has to be buoyant to persuade owners to off-load their old gear and buy the new stuff, too! May be we rats in the rubbish serve a useful purpose after all!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 07 December 2001 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions Jim, Most people simply cannot afford truly good high end equipment when each piece costs a minimum of 1 to 2 grand. And, the learning part of it is very expensive as we all know; just about everybody here has done his (at least one her?) part to support retail by buying a 2k amp and then selling the damn thing for 500 to 800 four years later. We are simply using our knowledge to take advantage of an industry that's technology has not changed all that much in the past ten years. Why should I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? Regards Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 Thanks Carl. Then I just need to confirm that my Dell Dimension XPS Pentium II 450 mhz, peripherals and drivers are w2000 compatible and that there aren't any glaring privacy issues. Any other opinions on w2000 vs w2000 pro? Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > ME is based on DOS....Win 2K Pro is NOT..it is a true 32 bit preemptive > multitasking system. What that basically means to we users is that you can > run more than one application (quite a few, actually, if you've the RAM) > concurrently. Win 2k "slices" up the processor; win 95/98/me can only do > one thing at a time. You can have lots of windows open (just like on a mac, > which is also..at least until OS X...a single tasking system) but only one > of those applications is executing at a time. > > If you upgrade to Win 2K Pro you will never look back Jim. I have a NT > machine as well as a 2k machine; only the 2k gets used as it brings USB and > digital camera support to the table. My machine goes days, sometimes weeks, > without having to reboot. I routinely have five or six apps open and am a > very fast typist and move between them very rapidly. The PC is a Dell > Dimension w/1ghz pentium III and 256mb ram, 40bg drive; probably overkill > but it is a nice machine and I will feel no need for another PC for a few > years. > > Unlike the turntable.... > > Carl > ps: hey, got an offer of 115 for my rega p2 with the rb200 s shaped arm.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:59:49 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:59:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1687 In-Reply-To: <3C1115F7.351DD3CA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: useful when recalculating a large spread sheet...when waiting for a large access database query to execute.... won't ever use w98/me again...will never buy xp carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1687 Thanks Eddy. = ) Jim Volpatti POLLET Eddy wrote: > > >> I use 2k..works well..very well..Stable; since I don't play games (on the > >> PC) all the software I want is available. Win 95/98/me and the Mcintoshnon > >> multi tasking systems are a joke once you've used 2k pro. > > This is not entirely true ... try running 2K on a 16 Mb machine and compare > it to a Mac/Win95/98/ME on a 256Mb machine, and you'll say that 2K doesn't > work . > If preemptive multitasking was really important on a PC, everybody would > have been using a Unix system since somewhere in the early 80's . > The reason for preemptive multitasking was to try and use the processor > always for the full 100 % ... at that time processing power was really > expensive, so the goal was to use everything you paid for . In the PC-world, > the typical processor usage is around 2%, in the mainframe world, it is over > 95%, and usually 100% . > One of the big differences between the two environments, is that the > mainframe world wasn't interactive ... all the data were gathered and then > treated as a batch ... at the speed of the slowest element, which is the > Input/Output . Since a lot of the time, the processor was waiting for data > to continue his work, multitasking became a need, allowing other jobs to use > the processor while the first job was waiting for data to be delivered . All > this has very little benefit in a PC-environment : since the processor has > to handle a big part of the input/output, it will only slow down the whole > process if it is allowed to handle another task . Where it could be useful, > is where you'd have a spreadsheet that asks for tens of minutes of > calculation time, because it would allow you to continue typing in Word, > while the calculation is run in the background, but I think this type of > usage is relatively rare in a PC environment . > > What is an important feature (and well implemented in 2000), is the memory > protection : every application gets its own dedicated space in memory, and - > at least if the program is written like it should have been- can only access > that space : if it goes bezerk, it won't have an impact on other > applications or on Windows itself, and hence, the system will be much more > stable . > > Anyway ... if you get W2000, you'll have memory protection and preemptive > multitasking . The difference between 2000 and 2000 PRO are the server > abilities and features, so ... if you don't need them ... go for 2000 ... > the less functions, the less that needs to be customised and the less that > can go wrong . > > Amen :-) > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Dec 7 21:10:53 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:10:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C1113B7.244CD8E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Jim Volpatti wrote: > Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local > dealers have gone out of business. Granted, not every dealer is > deserving of your business but those that are should be rewarded with > at least a little business every once in a while. Otherwise, you'll > have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that the > industry has to offer. Local to where I live, Somerville MA, there is only one used dealer that I visit that doesn't sell any new audio at all, at www.usedsound.com, though they do deal in some new equipment for guitar players. The other dealers in used equipment that I frequent, Audio Replay, Q Audio (www.qaudio.com), Spearit Audio (www.spearitsound.com, they used to be Goodwins Audio), Audio Lab in Harvard Square (www.theaudiolab.com). In ascending order of high-endedness, I'd say it goes Audio Replay, then Q Audio, then Audio Lab then Spearit. I haven't bought anything from Goodwins/Spearit, but I have from the others, and so buying used equipment is certainly helping them. When you sell them something to a used dealerfor $100 that appears on their shelves a week later for $300, then you know that used equipment can help your local dealer. Buying used equipment privately, or over ebay, can also help out; in many cases, people are upgrading equipment, possibly some time before selling off the old stuff, but those people are going out and buying the new equipment. Equipment that sells at swapmeets is often in too poor a condition to even sell at a used stereo store, like the heavily battered but still functional Original Large Advents that I picked up for $30. Personally, I prefer used equipment for most of what I buy. I'm not at all wealthy, and quality older equipment is great stuff to play with. joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 21:13:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:13:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <002c01c17f54$2a16c400$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1122E5.62726A58@earthlink.net> I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most of my business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can happen when a customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, buying and selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), experimenting with different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that illusive goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) result can be achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' listening rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never heard most of the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let alone (and this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond me. Also, speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the experience or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his needs at a local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may sound better (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component intimately) than the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component (the one that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still back at the store. My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The consulting half is the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to survive. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Very good point, Jim. There's the difference between good local dealers and > the big mail order discount houses. What one needs is something in the > middle, where the buying power of the big house can keep prices down whilst > retaining something of the service that the local dealers offer. Richer > Sounds in the UK seem (to me) to be the closest we come to that in the UK. > However, when it comes to paying the local dealer £1k for something that can > be bought for £0.5k at the discount store ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 December 2001 07:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local dealers > have gone > out of business. Granted, not every dealer is deserving of your business but > those that > are should be rewarded with at least a little business every once in a > while. > Otherwise, you'll have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that > the > industry has to offer. > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Jim > > > > Ah! But that's if you buy "new". I haven't bought a new bit of hi fi > since > > my first Rotel CD player (CD965) ... no, tell a lie - not since I bought, > > and had modified at the same time, a QED DAC with two Positron power > > supplies (one for the digi' stage and one for the analogue stage) So, > that > > must be at least 10 years ago. Since then, like my cars, I always buy > used, > > "shop soiled" or "factory returns", or I've modified what I've got. More > > bang for the buck. > > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 21:06:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:06:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: In-Reply-To: <3C111CEC.319BABB5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003301c17f5a$bad526c0$299087d9@a4s1s2> I'd like to replace the control knobs on my Eico ST70. Any bright ideas where I might find some replacements, apart from buying a scrap Eico? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 21:37:07 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:37:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. How do you know that the $3000 table or even $1200 turntable will suit your needs? Did you auditioning it? If so, where? Did you listen to it in your system? Reviews and others' opinions are very often unreliable since the system and listening room used are different than your own. Auditioning in a store, even for ten minutes, and then turning around and buying it used is highly unethical. I find that many audiophiles are on the "buy and sell it used" treadmill, chasing their tales, not really achieving much with their system. One has to look at not only how much money is spent in the short term, but also what is achieved by spending it. You may spend more buying from an experienced professional but you will save yourself many, many hours searching for and selling and experimenting with used equipment. It all comes down to how much time, money, patience and experience you have. Jim Volpatti > Why should > I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 > and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? > > Regards > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 22:03:25 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:03:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You have a valid point, Jim, and some of my stuff was bought retail. Much was not because it was simply no longer made (the nakamichi decks, proceed DAC); but, if one simply cannot afford what one wants retail then one has two options: don't get it or buy used..right? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. How do you know that the $3000 table or even $1200 turntable will suit your needs? Did you auditioning it? If so, where? Did you listen to it in your system? Reviews and others' opinions are very often unreliable since the system and listening room used are different than your own. Auditioning in a store, even for ten minutes, and then turning around and buying it used is highly unethical. I find that many audiophiles are on the "buy and sell it used" treadmill, chasing their tales, not really achieving much with their system. One has to look at not only how much money is spent in the short term, but also what is achieved by spending it. You may spend more buying from an experienced professional but you will save yourself many, many hours searching for and selling and experimenting with used equipment. It all comes down to how much time, money, patience and experience you have. Jim Volpatti > Why should > I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 > and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? > > Regards > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 7 22:07:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:07:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C1122E5.62726A58@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> Very good points, Jim. I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any equipment in my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some of them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit note! And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went out of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record deck, which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are very few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all they'll do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a listening room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) in the shop!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most of my business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can happen when a customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, buying and selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), experimenting with different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that illusive goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) result can be achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' listening rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never heard most of the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let alone (and this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond me. Also, speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the experience or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his needs at a local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may sound better (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component intimately) than the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component (the one that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still back at the store. My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The consulting half is the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to survive. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 22:22:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:22:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 References: Message-ID: <3C1132F8.D9DEF5F2@earthlink.net> I currently have 128MB of ram and a 13GB hard drive. Seeing how I've only used 3GB of that space in the last three years, I'm guessing it will be sufficient with W2000. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > As long as your stuff was acquired in the past three, four years you should > be OK. Or, if you have something really arcane like one of those high end > german soundboards; some of them did not have win 2k drivers. Overall, the > most important thing is to have lots of memory; 256mb seems to be the answer > and more is better. I will be upgrading to 512mb probably after xmas if > memory prices are reasonable. > > You should probably get a 20 to 40 gb hard drive since they are relatively > inexpensive and the win 2k does take up significant storage space. This > thing is a pig with your disk. > > Regards, > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 22:30:18 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:30:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <3C1134EA.797D8C23@earthlink.net> Hi Joel, Good for you, supporting your local dealers. = ) As you probably know, I was referring to buying and selling used equipment privately. While it does give customers a place to sell what they currently own, most plan to upgrade to another used piece, if they can find it. Jim Volpatti Joel Herda wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Buying used is fine if you don't mind the fact that all your local > > dealers have gone out of business. Granted, not every dealer is > > deserving of your business but those that are should be rewarded with > > at least a little business every once in a while. Otherwise, you'll > > have nowhere to go to listen to the last and greatest that the > > industry has to offer. > > Local to where I live, Somerville MA, there is only one used dealer that I > visit that doesn't sell any new audio at all, at www.usedsound.com, though > they do deal in some new equipment for guitar players. > > The other dealers in used equipment that I frequent, Audio Replay, Q Audio > (www.qaudio.com), Spearit Audio (www.spearitsound.com, they used to be > Goodwins Audio), Audio Lab in Harvard Square (www.theaudiolab.com). In > ascending order of high-endedness, I'd say it goes Audio Replay, then Q > Audio, then Audio Lab then Spearit. > > I haven't bought anything from Goodwins/Spearit, but I have from the > others, and so buying used equipment is certainly helping them. When you > sell them something to a used dealerfor $100 that appears on their shelves > a week later for $300, then you know that used equipment can help your > local dealer. > > Buying used equipment privately, or over ebay, can also help out; in many > cases, people are upgrading equipment, possibly some time before selling > off the old stuff, but those people are going out and buying the new > equipment. Equipment that sells at swapmeets is often in too poor a > condition to even sell at a used stereo store, like the heavily battered > but still functional Original Large Advents that I picked up for $30. > > Personally, I prefer used equipment for most of what I buy. I'm not at > all wealthy, and quality older equipment is great stuff to play with. > > joelll > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 22:37:58 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:37:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: Message-ID: <3C1136B6.971C8BA@earthlink.net> True Carl. But how does one know what he wants if he has never heard it before, especially in his system? A person can often buy a less expensive new component and get better results, having had the opportunity to hear it in his system, than to take a shot in the dark buying a similarly priced used component whose retail price is much higher. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > You have a valid point, Jim, and some of my stuff was bought retail. Much > was not because it was simply no longer made (the nakamichi decks, proceed > DAC); but, if one simply cannot afford what one wants retail then one has > two options: don't get it or buy used..right? > > Regards, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > > It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. > > How do you know that the $3000 table or even $1200 turntable will suit your > needs? Did > you auditioning it? If so, where? Did you listen to it in your system? > Reviews and > others' opinions are very often unreliable since the system and listening > room used are > different than your own. Auditioning in a store, even for ten minutes, and > then turning > around and buying it used is highly unethical. > > I find that many audiophiles are on the "buy and sell it used" treadmill, > chasing their > tales, not really achieving much with their system. One has to look at not > only how > much money is spent in the short term, but also what is achieved by spending > it. You > may spend more buying from an experienced professional but you will save > yourself many, > many hours searching for and selling and experimenting with used equipment. > > It all comes down to how much time, money, patience and experience you have. > > Jim Volpatti > > > Why should > > I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for > 1200 > > and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? > > > > Regards > > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 22:43:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:43:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C11380F.984B2FCC@earthlink.net> Which is the very reason that I do business as I do. Thus far, my customers have been blown away by the level of service I offer. It's a lot of work, and it's VERY difficult making a living in this industry, but I love what I do! Nothing makes me happier than to receive a thank you note from a customer telling me about how much closer they have become to the music that we all love so much. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Very good points, Jim. > > I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I > have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any equipment in > my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some of > them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit note! > And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went out > of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record deck, > which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are very > few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all they'll > do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a listening > room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) in > the shop!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most > of my > business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can > happen when a > customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, > buying and > selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), > experimenting with > different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that > illusive > goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) > result can be > achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. > > The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' > listening > rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never > heard most of > the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let > alone (and > this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond > me. Also, > speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the > experience > or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. > > Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his > needs at a > local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may > sound better > (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component > intimately) than > the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component > (the one > that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still > back at the > store. > > My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The > consulting half is > the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to > survive. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 23:09:00 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:09:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 In-Reply-To: <3C1132F8.D9DEF5F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: check the requirements for win 2k..goto www.microsoft.com and find the upgrade page for win 2k..it will list all system minimum requirements. Even though it says 128mb is ok you really need 256 carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1676 I currently have 128MB of ram and a 13GB hard drive. Seeing how I've only used 3GB of that space in the last three years, I'm guessing it will be sufficient with W2000. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > As long as your stuff was acquired in the past three, four years you should > be OK. Or, if you have something really arcane like one of those high end > german soundboards; some of them did not have win 2k drivers. Overall, the > most important thing is to have lots of memory; 256mb seems to be the answer > and more is better. I will be upgrading to 512mb probably after xmas if > memory prices are reasonable. > > You should probably get a 20 to 40 gb hard drive since they are relatively > inexpensive and the win 2k does take up significant storage space. This > thing is a pig with your disk. > > Regards, > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 23:09:13 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:09:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: The old Audible Difference in Palo Alto used to let me take gear home and only had me leave them with a memo invoice and a cheque for deposit. This was in the early 80's when the place was still on Tasso Lane (street?). They sold me a new Threshold 400a as a result of that; did not want to return it once I had it home. I had listened at the dealer and it did not sell me; at home it did. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dealers Very good points, Jim. I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any equipment in my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some of them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit note! And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went out of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record deck, which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are very few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all they'll do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a listening room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) in the shop!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most of my business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can happen when a customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, buying and selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), experimenting with different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that illusive goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) result can be achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' listening rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never heard most of the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let alone (and this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond me. Also, speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the experience or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his needs at a local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may sound better (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component intimately) than the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component (the one that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still back at the store. My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The consulting half is the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to survive. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 7 23:21:12 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C11380F.984B2FCC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005c01c17f6d$7a9f2f20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own ears to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you about the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start at the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next to costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has been rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some new stuff. ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > Which is the very reason that I do business as I do. Thus far, my customers have been > blown away by the level of service I offer. It's a lot of work, and it's VERY difficult > making a living in this industry, but I love what I do! Nothing makes me happier than > to receive a thank you note from a customer telling me about how much closer they have > become to the music that we all love so much. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Very good points, Jim. > > > > I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I > > have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any equipment in > > my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some of > > them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit note! > > And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went out > > of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record deck, > > which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are very > > few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all they'll > > do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a listening > > room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) in > > the shop!!! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most > > of my > > business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can > > happen when a > > customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, > > buying and > > selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), > > experimenting with > > different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that > > illusive > > goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) > > result can be > > achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. > > > > The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' > > listening > > rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never > > heard most of > > the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let > > alone (and > > this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond > > me. Also, > > speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the > > experience > > or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. > > > > Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his > > needs at a > > local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may > > sound better > > (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component > > intimately) than > > the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component > > (the one > > that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still > > back at the > > store. > > > > My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The > > consulting half is > > the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to > > survive. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 23:43:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:43:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: Message-ID: <3C11461C.829E59FD@earthlink.net> That's what it's all about: what is sounds like at home. That's why I do most of my business in my customers' homes. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > The old Audible Difference in Palo Alto used to let me take gear home and > only had me leave them with a memo invoice and a cheque for deposit. This > was in the early 80's when the place was still on Tasso Lane (street?). > They sold me a new Threshold 400a as a result of that; did not want to > return it once I had it home. I had listened at the dealer and it did not > sell me; at home it did. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dealers > > Very good points, Jim. > > I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I > have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any equipment in > my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some of > them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit note! > And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went out > of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record deck, > which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are very > few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all they'll > do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a listening > room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) in > the shop!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do most > of my > business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can > happen when a > customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, > buying and > selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), > experimenting with > different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing that > illusive > goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) > result can be > achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. > > The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their customers' > listening > rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having never > heard most of > the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, let > alone (and > this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is beyond > me. Also, > speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have the > experience > or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. > > Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his > needs at a > local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component may > sound better > (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component > intimately) than > the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding component > (the one > that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is still > back at the > store. > > My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The > consulting half is > the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End is to > survive. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 00:03:43 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:03:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C11380F.984B2FCC@earthlink.net> <005c01c17f6d$7a9f2f20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C114ACF.505CB5E9@earthlink.net> Hi Ole, I always begin a conversation with a customer about his system, his room and his goals. Often times audiophiles contact me wanting to upgrade this or that but have no clear ideal of specifically what aspect of the sound they want to improve. Until they/we do, we are probably just wasting time. I can't give a customer what he wants unless he tell me what he wants. The other side of the coin is that often times you don't know what you're missing until you hear it. This is where an experienced consultant can be invaluable. Sometimes a fresh perspective, provided by someone with trained ears, can be all that is needed to identify what is lacking in the sound or that weak link in the system. Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the > midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best > system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The > fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own ears > to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, > cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, > which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area > (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the > surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you about > the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of > equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start at > the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any > kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the > equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this > has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often > been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next to > costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to > time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has been > rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some > new stuff. > ole thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > Which is the very reason that I do business as I do. Thus far, my > customers have been > > blown away by the level of service I offer. It's a lot of work, and it's > VERY difficult > > making a living in this industry, but I love what I do! Nothing makes me > happier than > > to receive a thank you note from a customer telling me about how much > closer they have > > become to the music that we all love so much. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Very good points, Jim. > > > > > > I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I > > > have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any > equipment in > > > my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some > of > > > them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit > note! > > > And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went > out > > > of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record > deck, > > > which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are > very > > > few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all > they'll > > > do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a > listening > > > room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) > in > > > the shop!!! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do > most > > > of my > > > business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can > > > happen when a > > > customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, > > > buying and > > > selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), > > > experimenting with > > > different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing > that > > > illusive > > > goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) > > > result can be > > > achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. > > > > > > The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their > customers' > > > listening > > > rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having > never > > > heard most of > > > the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, > let > > > alone (and > > > this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is > beyond > > > me. Also, > > > speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have > the > > > experience > > > or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. > > > > > > Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his > > > needs at a > > > local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component > may > > > sound better > > > (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component > > > intimately) than > > > the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding > component > > > (the one > > > that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is > still > > > back at the > > > store. > > > > > > My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The > > > consulting half is > > > the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End > is to > > > survive. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Dec 8 01:12:01 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:12:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic In-Reply-To: References: <200112071201.fB7C1IC11707@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011207191057.02b70e10@mail.verizon.net> At 12/7/01, you wrote: >Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh >amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. > >Carl .................. Carl, How the hell do you park? ___________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 01:17:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:17:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic References: Message-ID: <029c01c17f7d$c8a9df20$0f3442cf@sank1> NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better than the top Alpine junk. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh > amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Klaus Fendt > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:01 AM > To: nak > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > > > I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses > Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the > Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. > > In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone > 2660 6-CD-Changer. > > Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best > for being used in the german frequency jungle. > > Klaus > > > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip in > > with mine. > > > > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer in > > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, > is > > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center > > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, > any > > ideas? Cheers. > > > > Kelvin. > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 M�nchen > ==================== > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > ==================== > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ________________________________________________________________ > Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! > Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 01:12:19 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:12:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <005c01c17f6d$7a9f2f20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> Mmmm ... I think I know what you mean, Ole. When I was looking for a new amp' to upgrade from my Rotel (some years ago now!), I visited 3 or 4 dealers who were happy enough to demo' their amps (in the shop or listening rooms only, of course!) two of them pushed their own preferred sound and offered strange looks or dismay when I said I preferred a different sound to that they liked! Ummm ... like, who am I buying this amp for? Huh? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 07 December 2001 10:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own ears to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you about the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start at the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next to costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has been rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some new stuff. ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 01:13:32 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:13:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C114ACF.505CB5E9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004901c17f7d$2c08d360$299087d9@a4s1s2> Jim You sound like my kind of dealer ... pity you're so far away! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 December 2001 11:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers Hi Ole, I always begin a conversation with a customer about his system, his room and his goals. Often times audiophiles contact me wanting to upgrade this or that but have no clear ideal of specifically what aspect of the sound they want to improve. Until they/we do, we are probably just wasting time. I can't give a customer what he wants unless he tell me what he wants. The other side of the coin is that often times you don't know what you're missing until you hear it. This is where an experienced consultant can be invaluable. Sometimes a fresh perspective, provided by someone with trained ears, can be all that is needed to identify what is lacking in the sound or that weak link in the system. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Dec 8 01:28:39 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:28:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic Message-ID: <3C282D6E@mail.totalise.co.uk> > Stephen, is there an easy fix to allow the nak MB100 tuner to pick up even frequencies? Fred. ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last >few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they >make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better >than the top Alpine junk. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tiberius Gaius" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:55 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > > >> Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh >> amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. >> >> Carl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Klaus Fendt >> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:01 AM >> To: nak >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic >> >> >> I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses >> Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the >> Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. >> >> In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone >> 2660 6-CD-Changer. >> >> Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best >> for being used in the german frequency jungle. >> >> Klaus >> >> > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip >in >> > with mine. >> > >> > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer >in >> > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, >> is >> > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center >> > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, >> any >> > ideas? Cheers. >> > >> > Kelvin. >> >> -- >> Klaus Fendt >> Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 >> 81737 München >> ==================== >> Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 >> Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 >> Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 >> ==================== >> MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! >> Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 01:23:22 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:23:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic In-Reply-To: <029c01c17f7d$c8a9df20$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004a01c17f7e$8b475800$299087d9@a4s1s2> If there is one thing Stephen ain't short of it's passion! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 08 December 2001 12:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Way off topic NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better than the top Alpine junk. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 01:35:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 16:35:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C116050.D2238054@earthlink.net> LOL! You know, customer service is really a no brainer. Customers are simply looking for knowledgeable, friendly, honest advice. I never understood the high brow attitude that seems so endemic in the High End. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Mmmm ... I think I know what you mean, Ole. When I was looking for a new > amp' to upgrade from my Rotel (some years ago now!), I visited 3 or 4 > dealers who were happy enough to demo' their amps (in the shop or listening > rooms only, of course!) two of them pushed their own preferred sound and > offered strange looks or dismay when I said I preferred a different sound to > that they liked! Ummm ... like, who am I buying this amp for? Huh? > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 01:39:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 16:39:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004901c17f7d$2c08d360$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C116144.F0D3D42B@earthlink.net> Unfortunately, the services I offer can only be provided locally. I'm betting on the belief that there are enough audiophiles here in the San Francisco bay area who care enough about customer service to support a business like mine. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > You sound like my kind of dealer ... pity you're so far away! > > Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 01:45:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:45:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic References: <3C282D6E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <02f101c17f81$aefb5460$0f3442cf@sank1> I'm sure there must be, but I have neither a manual nor any experience with the MB100. Like I said previously, though, worst case is a bit od soldering to move a jumper point near the tuner control processor chip. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > > Stephen, is there an easy fix to allow the nak MB100 tuner to pick up even > frequencies? > Fred. > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last > >few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they > >make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better > >than the top Alpine junk. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tiberius Gaius" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:55 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > > > > > >> Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh > >> amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >> Klaus Fendt > >> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:01 AM > >> To: nak > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > >> > >> > >> I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses > >> Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the > >> Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. > >> > >> In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone > >> 2660 6-CD-Changer. > >> > >> Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best > >> for being used in the german frequency jungle. > >> > >> Klaus > >> > >> > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip > >in > >> > with mine. > >> > > >> > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer > >in > >> > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, > >> is > >> > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center > >> > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, > >> any > >> > ideas? Cheers. > >> > > >> > Kelvin. > >> > >> -- > >> Klaus Fendt > >> Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > >> 81737 M�nchen > >> ==================== > >> Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > >> Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > >> Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > >> ==================== > >> MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > >> ________________________________________________________________ > >> Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! > >> Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >> ======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >> ======= > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 01:44:47 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:44:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C11380F.984B2FCC@earthlink.net> <005c01c17f6d$7a9f2f20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C114ACF.505CB5E9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001401c17f81$8992e9e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Jim I find that's a good attitude towards the customers. And that it must be timeconsuming. And frustrating if the costumer can't express his/her needs and don't move some. But I also think that it might be difficult for the customer sometimes if you have spent a lot of time consulting their system. Now they seem to owe you even if they can't really make up their mind if they need this new amp or whatever it is. How do you deal with that if it happens? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > Hi Ole, > > I always begin a conversation with a customer about his system, his room and his goals. > Often times audiophiles contact me wanting to upgrade this or that but have no clear > ideal of specifically what aspect of the sound they want to improve. Until they/we do, > we are probably just wasting time. I can't give a customer what he wants unless he > tell me what he wants. > > The other side of the coin is that often times you don't know what you're missing until > you hear it. This is where an experienced consultant can be invaluable. Sometimes a > fresh perspective, provided by someone with trained ears, can be all that is needed to > identify what is lacking in the sound or that weak link in the system. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the > > midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best > > system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The > > fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own ears > > to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, > > cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, > > which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area > > (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the > > surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you about > > the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of > > equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start at > > the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any > > kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the > > equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this > > has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often > > been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next to > > costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to > > time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has been > > rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some > > new stuff. > > ole thofte > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > Which is the very reason that I do business as I do. Thus far, my > > customers have been > > > blown away by the level of service I offer. It's a lot of work, and it's > > VERY difficult > > > making a living in this industry, but I love what I do! Nothing makes me > > happier than > > > to receive a thank you note from a customer telling me about how much > > closer they have > > > become to the music that we all love so much. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > Very good points, Jim. > > > > > > > > I agree 100% about the issue of hearing the gear in the buyer's home. I > > > > have only ONCE been offered the opportunity to try and hear any > > equipment in > > > > my home by an independent local dealer. The closest (an then only) some > > of > > > > them get is "sale or return" BUT not return of the money - a credit > > note! > > > > And that dealer who would let me try the gear at home ... sadly, he went > > out > > > > of business (but not before he sold me a factory returned AR record > > deck, > > > > which I later part-exchanged for the PT TOO.) Now, it seems there are > > very > > > > few dealers of that ilk and I don't know of one local to me ... all > > they'll > > > > do is let me hear it in their listening rooms .... if they have a > > listening > > > > room! It seems more usual for them to set up the gear (by appointment!) > > in > > > > the shop!!! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: 07 December 2001 08:13 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > I guess it comes down to the amount of perceived service needed. I do > > most > > > > of my > > > > business in my customers' homes and see (hear) on a daily basis what can > > > > happen when a > > > > customer decides to "go it alone", buying new equipment via mail order, > > > > buying and > > > > selling used equipment (this becomes a hobby in and of itself), > > > > experimenting with > > > > different set ups, relying on what could be an untrained ear, chasing > > that > > > > illusive > > > > goal. A much more expedient, often times less costly (in the long run) > > > > result can be > > > > achieved by bringing in an experienced dealer. > > > > > > > > The problem is that 99% of local dealers never step foot in their > > customers' > > > > listening > > > > rooms. How the heck a dealer can make a valid recommendation having > > never > > > > heard most of > > > > the components in a customer's system, let alone that exact combination, > > let > > > > alone (and > > > > this is the biggest variable of all) the listening room itself, is > > beyond > > > > me. Also, > > > > speaker and listening positioning is critical. Most customers don't have > > the > > > > experience > > > > or equipment necessary to properly set up a system. > > > > > > > > Often times, a customer will audition a component that seems to suit his > > > > needs at a > > > > local shop and then ask for an in-home audition. While this component > > may > > > > sound better > > > > (and it takes more than a day or two to really get to know a component > > > > intimately) than > > > > the component it's replacing, chances are that the best sounding > > component > > > > (the one > > > > that will work best in the customer's system and listening room) is > > still > > > > back at the > > > > store. > > > > > > > > My business model is made up of half selling, half consulting. The > > > > consulting half is > > > > the side that is most underrepresented and most needed if the High End > > is to > > > > survive. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 01:58:20 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:58:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> In Copenhagen we used to have a shop that sold only a couple of products: Audio Note tube amps, Time Window, Snell loudspeakers. They had one CD at the time and it was used as a cakeknife so nobody could doubt what they thought of this medium. The stuff they sold were allright, excellent, but somehow the customers were subdued to not ask too many questions and only the right kind of questions. They had a little but very steady group of customers and they all seemed to upgrade their equipment at he same time. ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dealers > Mmmm ... I think I know what you mean, Ole. When I was looking for a new > amp' to upgrade from my Rotel (some years ago now!), I visited 3 or 4 > dealers who were happy enough to demo' their amps (in the shop or listening > rooms only, of course!) two of them pushed their own preferred sound and > offered strange looks or dismay when I said I preferred a different sound to > that they liked! Ummm ... like, who am I buying this amp for? Huh? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 07 December 2001 10:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the > midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best > system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The > fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own ears > to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, > cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, > which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area > (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the > surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you about > the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of > equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start at > the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any > kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the > equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this > has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often > been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next to > costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to > time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has been > rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some > new stuff. > ole thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 02:13:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:13:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> hmmm... Sounds like Third Reich Stereo, owned by Adolph Hifi. geeeeeez... Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > In Copenhagen we used to have a shop that sold only a couple of products: > Audio Note tube amps, Time Window, Snell loudspeakers. They had one CD at > the time and it was used as a cakeknife so nobody could doubt what they > thought of this medium. The stuff they sold were allright, excellent, but > somehow the customers were subdued to not ask too many questions and only > the right kind of questions. They had a little but very steady group of > customers and they all seemed to upgrade their equipment at he same time. > ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:12 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dealers > > > Mmmm ... I think I know what you mean, Ole. When I was looking for a new > > amp' to upgrade from my Rotel (some years ago now!), I visited 3 or 4 > > dealers who were happy enough to demo' their amps (in the shop or > listening > > rooms only, of course!) two of them pushed their own preferred sound and > > offered strange looks or dismay when I said I preferred a different sound > to > > that they liked! Ummm ... like, who am I buying this amp for? Huh? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > ole thofte > > Sent: 07 December 2001 10:21 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Somehow I find an assumption in the > > midlle of the argumentation: that there is an objectivly perceivable best > > system, state-of-the-art system. I don't find that to be true at all. The > > fun of this hobby in my point of view is to find and finetune your own > ears > > to to the differences that even smaller tweaks and change of equipment, > > cables etc can lead to. And to dicover your subjectively preferred sound, > > which changes as time goes by. I have found that most dealers in my area > > (Copenhagen) are not sensitive to the customers and do not help in the > > surch for one's "own preferred sound". Rather they try to convince you > about > > the superiority of this and that sound in this and that system, type of > > equipment etc. Kierkegaard said: "if you want to help, you have to start > at > > the position of your fellow man". This goes for therapy as well as for any > > kind of counselling, also hifi counselling. - I have had most fun with the > > equipment I have built myself, mostly loudspeakers, I think because this > > has stimulated this search for "my own sound", and my failures have often > > been as rewarding in this respect as the successes. Also it has been next > to > > costless to experiment with this and that to get a new sound. From time to > > time I've tired of this search or "gone dead" and at these times it has > been > > rewarding to go to the dealers, ask them for suggestions and try out some > > new stuff. > > ole thofte > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 02:22:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:22:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <003c01c17f63$33460040$299087d9@a4s1s2> <3C11380F.984B2FCC@earthlink.net> <005c01c17f6d$7a9f2f20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C114ACF.505CB5E9@earthlink.net> <001401c17f81$8992e9e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C116B49.F1458FE2@earthlink.net> I always remind a customer that I provide the services that I do (in-home auditions, etc) so that they can buy with confidence. In general, I'll ask my customers to visit me first so that I can get an idea of the type of sound that they prefer (I have a full display room) and narrow the choices down to perhaps three components. We then bring those components to the customer's home for a final decision. The process seems to work very well. Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Hi Jim > I find that's a good attitude towards the customers. And that it must be > timeconsuming. And frustrating if the costumer can't express his/her needs > and don't move some. But I also think that it might be difficult for the > customer sometimes if you have spent a lot of time consulting their system. > Now they seem to owe you even if they can't really make up their mind if > they need this new amp or whatever it is. How do you deal with that if it > happens? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > Hi Ole, > > > > I always begin a conversation with a customer about his system, his room > and his goals. > > Often times audiophiles contact me wanting to upgrade this or that but > have no clear > > ideal of specifically what aspect of the sound they want to improve. Until > they/we do, > > we are probably just wasting time. I can't give a customer what he wants > unless he > > tell me what he wants. > > > > The other side of the coin is that often times you don't know what you're > missing until > > you hear it. This is where an experienced consultant can be invaluable. > Sometimes a > > fresh perspective, provided by someone with trained ears, can be all that > is needed to > > identify what is lacking in the sound or that weak link in the system. > > > > Jim Volpattii ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 02:34:50 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:34:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? Thank you! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 03:11:09 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 03:11:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia Message-ID: <000e01c17f8d$9a389400$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> This is to the topic I think: I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": one tape representing each change I made and listening to this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the changes - not always for the better though. ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Sat Dec 8 03:16:22 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:16:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology In-Reply-To: <3C0FE276.80ACFF6B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Quite a few of the projectors have electronic keystone adjustment. Many time this adjustment will result in jagged vertical line if your correction is more that just a few degrees. The best systems will have a mechanical lens shift to compensate for the vertical axis adjustment. Also, many of the projection systems are designed to project properly when the lens is set to the same height as the top or bottom of the screen. They have the lens offset built in. One last thought is to make sure the the projector is designed to be installed upside down. There are some projectors that have reversible image projection but go through very expensive bulbs due to improper cooling systems. VideoVern ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 8 03:29:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:29:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia References: <000e01c17f8d$9a389400$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C117B0A.92881B82@concentric.net> Judging by my own CR-7, I'd say that (unless it was completely annihilated), a CR-7 is one piece of equipment that's worthy of repair. Isn't there someone in your neck of the woods that can ressurect it? -- Ron > ole thofte wrote: > > This is to the topic I think: > I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by > lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live > recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It > was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman > blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn > from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to > a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. > What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made > on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the > changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new > recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new > cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment > I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize > the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the > development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": > one tape representing each change I made and listening to > this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my > family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can > hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the > changes - not always for the better though. > ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and > there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. > ole thofte ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 03:51:53 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 03:51:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia References: <000e01c17f8d$9a389400$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C117B0A.92881B82@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000d01c17f93$4b4333e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Ron I'm working at it. The old agencies are shut down in Denmark but some of the old technicians who used to work with Naks are still around and I'm trying to track them down. I would like to have a total going over and adjustment besides what is damaged by the lightning. I once had our piano worked over by a 80 year old pianobuilder who lived in the neighbourhood and who used to build those pianos at the factory in the 30's. He was most thorough and it was a lot of fun to watch and talk to the old guy and I took a lot of pictures. ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nostalgia > > Judging by my own CR-7, I'd say that (unless it > was completely annihilated), a CR-7 is one piece > of equipment that's worthy of repair. Isn't there > someone in your neck of the woods that can > ressurect it? > > -- Ron > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > This is to the topic I think: > > I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by > > lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live > > recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It > > was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman > > blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn > > from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to > > a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. > > What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made > > on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the > > changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new > > recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new > > cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment > > I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize > > the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the > > development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": > > one tape representing each change I made and listening to > > this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my > > family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can > > hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the > > changes - not always for the better though. > > ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and > > there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. > > ole thofte > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Dec 8 05:20:22 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:20:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C119504.5A21C30B@snet.net> Of course one could argue that there may be a virtue to buying used, auditioning indefinitely in your own environment and then being able to try something different while getting close to 100% back on what you paid when you sell the original... after spending some time A/Bing the two to see which you really like. Of course the process with which I built up my system was long and challenging, but isn't it this very process of discovery that provides such a degree of satisfaction when we do make a meaningful improvement to our sound? While I certainly do buy new, I've also bought and sold many used items and have had a great time playing all the while. Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. > > How do you know that the $3000 table or even $1200 turntable will suit your needs? Did > you auditioning it? If so, where? Did you listen to it in your system? Reviews and > others' opinions are very often unreliable since the system and listening room used are > different than your own. Auditioning in a store, even for ten minutes, and then turning > around and buying it used is highly unethical. > > I find that many audiophiles are on the "buy and sell it used" treadmill, chasing their > tales, not really achieving much with their system. One has to look at not only how > much money is spent in the short term, but also what is achieved by spending it. You > may spend more buying from an experienced professional but you will save yourself many, > many hours searching for and selling and experimenting with used equipment. > > It all comes down to how much time, money, patience and experience you have. > > Jim Volpatti > > > Why should > > I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 > > and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? > > > > Regards > > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Dec 8 05:20:53 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:20:53 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree with Ron, No matter what or how long it takes, I strongly recommend getting the CR-7 repaired. This is one piece of equipment that should be given a second chance. Think about this, If you get rid of it and replace it with something else your mind will be thinking about the CR-7 all the time about how brilliant it made your recording, the way it looked, the fact it was a NAKAMICHI! I have an old 480 that doesn't want to play, it's not one of Nakamichi's finest but it still a Nakamichi, and I will not part with it. Someday I will get it going again and will thank myself that I didn't get rid of it. If there is no one around where you live that can repair it for you, send it to Stephen Sank for a service, I know that it will cost a lot in shipment but it will be worth it. I'm currently seeking a nostalgic Sansui receiver and will definitely pay the cost if I have to bring it back from America - (Australia just doesn't have the quantity and are vary scarce), but in the end I know it ! will be worth it. I hope I have not bored you with what I said, but I believe in keeping the past alive - long live Nakamichi cassette decks! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: ole thofte [mailto:ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 1:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia This is to the topic I think: I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": one tape representing each change I made and listening to this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the changes - not always for the better though. ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Dec 8 05:25:25 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:25:25 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I don't know what it is like where you come from Jim, but here in Australia I am seeing less and less secondhand equipment. In the old days the Dealers would be happy to take in decent trade-in's but now that is something of a rarity. I cannot afford most of the new stuff and quite frankly I'm happy with the old stuff that was around, but by the time I discover about a piece of equipment that would interest me they just aren't any around no more and no dealer would offer to help me track down equipment. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 12:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? Thank you! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 06:08:19 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:08:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> <3C119504.5A21C30B@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C11A043.E639A34B@earthlink.net> Good point, Ed. I have a tendency to look at the end goal instead of the path taken to get there. I'm glad you're enjoying the ride. = ) Jim Volpatti Ed Noyes wrote: > Of course one could argue that there may be a virtue to buying used, auditioning > indefinitely in your own environment and then being able to try something different while > getting close to 100% back on what you paid when you sell the original... after spending > some time A/Bing the two to see which you really like. Of course the process with which I > built up my system was long and challenging, but isn't it this very process of discovery > that provides such a degree of satisfaction when we do make a meaningful improvement to > our sound? While I certainly do buy new, I've also bought and sold many used items and > have had a great time playing all the while. > > Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 06:15:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:15:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C11A1EA.A65EEB59@earthlink.net> Thanks for your thoughts, Tom. A dealer doesn't want his money tied up in a used piece of equipment taken in trade for something new, so he needs to make sure that there is a demand for it and that the profit made selling it will make up for the time spent sitting on display. Personally, my display area is bursting at the seams so I have to be very selective about the used products that I accept in trade. I'll definitely keep your thoughts in mind though. Thanks again. Jim Volpatti Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I don't know what it is like where you come from Jim, but here in Australia I am seeing less and less secondhand equipment. In the old days the Dealers would be happy to take in decent trade-in's but now that is something of a rarity. I cannot afford most of the new stuff and quite frankly I'm happy with the old stuff that was around, but by the time I discover about a piece of equipment that would interest me they just aren't any around no more and no dealer would offer to help me track down equipment. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 07:56:01 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 06:56:01 GMT Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions In-Reply-To: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> References: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3c12b8fd.2177114@mail.voicenet.com> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:37:07 -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: >It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. Whatever this is about, I don't see the connection to Nakamichi cassette equipment. Why not take the boring ol' back-n-forth off list? Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 08:02:03 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 07:02:03 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, "John M. Tooley" wrote: >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > >John I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do with Nakamichi cassette products? Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other lists, don't they? Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 08:07:25 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 07:07:25 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c15bb50.2771512@mail.voicenet.com> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:16:22 -0600, "Vernon T. Hanson" wrote: >Quite a few of the projectors have electronic keystone adjustment. Many time >this adjustment will result in jagged vertical line if your correction is >more that just a few degrees. The best systems will have a mechanical lens >shift to compensate for the vertical axis adjustment. Also, many of the >VideoVern What the heck is *this* about? What is the connection to Nakamichi and cassettes? Why not take this off-line or to an appropriate mail list or newsgroup or online forum - surely there are lots of places where your information would be appreciated! Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 8 08:29:26 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:29:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Are you referring to current Nakamichi head units vs current Alpine stuff? The reason I ask is I haven't seen a second hand Nak head unit from the eighties, or early nineties for sale here, ever. Well there was a TD1000 in Jo'Burg a year ago, but one of our colleague Naktalkers there snapped that up faster than greased lightening. Marc >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 12/08/01 02:17AM >>> NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better than the top Alpine junk. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > Put an expensive alpine deck in the benz and ADS speakers and a McIntosh > amp...you'll never look back. That's the rig in my benz. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Klaus Fendt > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:01 AM > To: nak > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Way off topic > > > I don't know much about the speakers but normally Mercedes Benz uses > Headunits from Becker (now under license of Harman Kardon) and the > Becker CD-Changers are normally manufactured by Sony. > > In my car (BMW) there's a Becker Mexico 2330 Headunit and a Silverstone > 2660 6-CD-Changer. > > Sorry my Nakamaniac friends but in my opinion the Becker radios are best > for being used in the german frequency jungle. > > Klaus > > > With all the current offtopic discussions going on, I thought I'll chip in > > with mine. > > > > Does anyone know what company manufactures the head unit and CD changer in > > the current Mercedes Benz S class (W220)? I think the speakers are BOSE, > is > > this right? The head units I've seen are all intregrated into the center > > console, with cassette/radio and satellite navigation in some cases. So, > any > > ideas? Cheers. > > > > Kelvin. > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 München > ==================== > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > ==================== > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ________________________________________________________________ > Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! > Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 8 08:46:53 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:46:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers Message-ID: Hi Tom As far as I know, Cash Convertors (either that or Cash Crusaders) is an Aussie company and shouf be reasonably represented there. The local ones (here in SA) usually carry quite a variety of used hi-fi gear that they resell for a fraction of the original price. I have found that nurturing a few relationships with the store managers can pay dividends when hunting for something specific. You're right about hi-fi dealers though. Trade - in arrangements are only offered here and there. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/08/01 06:25AM >>> I don't know what it is like where you come from Jim, but here in Australia I am seeing less and less secondhand equipment. In the old days the Dealers would be happy to take in decent trade-in's but now that is something of a rarity. I cannot afford most of the new stuff and quite frankly I'm happy with the old stuff that was around, but by the time I discover about a piece of equipment that would interest me they just aren't any around no more and no dealer would offer to help me track down equipment. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 12:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? Thank you! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 08:39:29 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:39:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C11A1EA.A65EEB59@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007401c17fbb$78316700$299087d9@a4s1s2> Oddly enough, in the UK we have quite a few very well known independent dealers scattered about the country that specialise in selling *only* second-hand equipment, such as the *famous* (to UK hi fi addicts) The Emporium at Diss in Suffolk. There is a similar store (I forget the name) in Peterborough and another in the Leicester area, too, etc.. Other dealers seem to spread themselves between two types of selling - the "personal service" for their new products and "mail order" for their 2nd hand range. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 08 December 2001 05:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers Thanks for your thoughts, Tom. A dealer doesn't want his money tied up in a used piece of equipment taken in trade for something new, so he needs to make sure that there is a demand for it and that the profit made selling it will make up for the time spent sitting on display. Personally, my display area is bursting at the seams so I have to be very selective about the used products that I accept in trade. I'll definitely keep your thoughts in mind though. Thanks again. Jim Volpatti Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I don't know what it is like where you come from Jim, but here in Australia I am seeing less and less secondhand equipment. In the old days the Dealers would be happy to take in decent trade-in's but now that is something of a rarity. I cannot afford most of the new stuff and quite frankly I'm happy with the old stuff that was around, but by the time I discover about a piece of equipment that would interest me they just aren't any around no more and no dealer would offer to help me track down equipment. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 08:49:18 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:49:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT In-Reply-To: <3c15bb50.2771512@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <007501c17fbc$d75781a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> Mike If you'd been around this list longer you'd appreciate that its owner is very tolerant of the members drifting OT every now and then, esp. when they've dried up, or done to death, on things to debate regarding Nakamichi's. Thus, this list's commonality is its members love of Nakamichi's who quite frequently discuss other subjects. However, the Nakamichi thread remains even when it is unspoken. However, if you have something fresh to bring to the debating forum that is about Nak's, there's plenty here who'll join in and even more who'll join in if the subject is really original! ;o) So, what d'you fancy talking about? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FabFourFan Sent: 08 December 2001 07:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Projection technology On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:16:22 -0600, "Vernon T. Hanson" wrote: >Quite a few of the projectors have electronic keystone adjustment. Many time >this adjustment will result in jagged vertical line if your correction is >more that just a few degrees. The best systems will have a mechanical lens >shift to compensate for the vertical axis adjustment. Also, many of the >VideoVern What the heck is *this* about? What is the connection to Nakamichi and cassettes? Why not take this off-line or to an appropriate mail list or newsgroup or online forum - surely there are lots of places where your information would be appreciated! Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 09:08:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:08:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by all on this list. Jim Volpatti FabFourFan wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > > >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > > >John > > I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do > with Nakamichi cassette products? > > Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? > > Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other > lists, don't they? > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Dec 8 09:46:47 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:46:47 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 azimuth adjustment problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011208213940.00ab9280@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all My CR7 Azimuth adjustment is no longer working ! I discovered this when I was trying to calibrate a Type 1 tape to the machine and the error with all three lights (azimuth, level and bias) flashed at me. Now the azimuth control can be fully turned from left to right and there is no adjustment happening ! And the machine sounds bad cos the adjustment it stopped at was off optimum (well that's my guess) Anyone struck this problem before...any easy fixes? or just tears? Brett bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 09:52:39 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 08:52:39 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:08:05 -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: >Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by all on this list. > >Jim Volpatti Sometimes, so do I, at first... But many posts start completely off topic here, on naktalk. And Jim, if I may be so bold, you do typically seem to be the most determined offender, so I'm glad that you responded to my complaint. Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 10:23:09 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. Jim Volpatti FabFourFan wrote: > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:08:05 -0800, > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > >Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by all on this list. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > Sometimes, so do I, at first... > But many posts start completely off topic here, on naktalk. > > And Jim, if I may be so bold, you do typically seem to be the most > determined offender, so I'm glad that you responded to my complaint. > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 8 10:34:10 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: Hi Mike, I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? Cheers, Marc >>> FabFourFan at nme.com 12/08/01 10:52AM >>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:08:05 -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: >Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by all on this list. > >Jim Volpatti Sometimes, so do I, at first... But many posts start completely off topic here, on naktalk. And Jim, if I may be so bold, you do typically seem to be the most determined offender, so I'm glad that you responded to my complaint. Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 10:42:01 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:42:01 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, Jim Volpatti wrote: >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > >Jim Volpatti Jim, please, as I said previously: > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 10:52:09 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:52:09 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1ae07a.12287748@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Mike, >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? >Cheers, Marc Hey there, Marc. I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. I really need to save up a few hundred dollars and have Mr Sank make it right, and then I'll like it even more! What are you listening to these days? Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 11:00:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 02:00:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> OK, Mike. I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as you do but I read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Jim Volpatti FabFourFan wrote: > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Sat Dec 8 11:10:14 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:10:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157F93@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> As long as it stays in the Audio world, I think it's cool. Microsoft software, watches, and magic bricks I could do without. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic OK, Mike. I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as you do but I read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Jim Volpatti FabFourFan wrote: > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Dec 8 12:45:51 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 12:45:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <200112080145.CAA03858@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:13:21 -0800 > From: Jim Volpatti > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > hmmm... > > Sounds like Third Reich Stereo, owned by Adolph Hifi. > > geeeeeez... > > Jim Volpatti Similarly, here in Antwerp, there's a street (and it's not miles long, rather a few hundred yards), that has I think about ten Hifi shops (no high-end), and I remember that I once wanted to buy a portable radio . So I went into the biggest one of them (where they also sold all sorts of components, and Velleman kits, and loudspeakers kits and stuff), and I asked for a portable radio . "How much do you want to spend ?" "Well, let's say ... around $30." And the guy disappeared for a brief moment, and came back with a box . "Here it is . $29.95 ." The guy had no intention of opening the box, or giving any info or such ... you asked for a portable radio of $30 ... so here it is . How's that for selling technique ? :-) Eddy BTW ... that was some 20 years ago, the thing (a Philips) is still used every workday, and still plays flawlessly ... so perhaps not such a bad approach after all :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Dec 8 15:56:43 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:56:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote Message-ID: Hi all, I am looking for a replacement RM-7C remote control unit for the CR-7 (I know it's as rare as hen's teeth). What I am wondering is if the remote control for other Nak units such as the RM-7 (I think for the OMS CD players?) will be suitable? Or is there any way you can modify them to operate the CR-7? Thanks for any help you can give me. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 16:39:57 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:39:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000d01c17ffe$9738fe40$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Thanks all, Thanks for the encouregement I've received, I'm definitely not going to discard the CR7. I'm just a "little long in the spit", as my wife used to say ( not so nicely, huh?) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nostalgia I agree with Ron, No matter what or how long it takes, I strongly recommend getting the CR-7 repaired. This is one piece of equipment that should be given a second chance. Think about this, If you get rid of it and replace it with something else your mind will be thinking about the CR-7 all the time about how brilliant it made your recording, the way it looked, the fact it was a NAKAMICHI! I have an old 480 that doesn't want to play, it's not one of Nakamichi's finest but it still a Nakamichi, and I will not part with it. Someday I will get it going again and will thank myself that I didn't get rid of it. If there is no one around where you live that can repair it for you, send it to Stephen Sank for a service, I know that it will cost a lot in shipment but it will be worth it. I'm currently seeking a nostalgic Sansui receiver and will definitely pay the cost if I have to bring it back from America - (Australia just doesn't have the quantity and are vary scarce), but in the end I know it will be worth it. I hope I have not bored you with what I said, but I believe in keeping the past alive - long live Nakamichi cassette decks! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: ole thofte [mailto:ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 1:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia This is to the topic I think: I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": one tape representing each change I made and listening to this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the changes - not always for the better though. ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 16:44:14 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:44:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions References: <3C112873.7DA98E80@earthlink.net> <3C119504.5A21C30B@snet.net> Message-ID: <001701c17fff$3055c540$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Ed, I agree completely. That's what this hobby is about. I'm also glad we all buy second hand, to ease some of the financial loss from time to time. "second hand rats" sniffing around: that's a good one Graham. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: turntables...suggestions > Of course one could argue that there may be a virtue to buying used, auditioning > indefinitely in your own environment and then being able to try something different while > getting close to 100% back on what you paid when you sell the original... after spending > some time A/Bing the two to see which you really like. Of course the process with which I > built up my system was long and challenging, but isn't it this very process of discovery > that provides such a degree of satisfaction when we do make a meaningful improvement to > our sound? While I certainly do buy new, I've also bought and sold many used items and > have had a great time playing all the while. > > Ed > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > It's thinking like this that is killing the industry. > > > > How do you know that the $3000 table or even $1200 turntable will suit your needs? Did > > you auditioning it? If so, where? Did you listen to it in your system? Reviews and > > others' opinions are very often unreliable since the system and listening room used are > > different than your own. Auditioning in a store, even for ten minutes, and then turning > > around and buying it used is highly unethical. > > > > I find that many audiophiles are on the "buy and sell it used" treadmill, chasing their > > tales, not really achieving much with their system. One has to look at not only how > > much money is spent in the short term, but also what is achieved by spending it. You > > may spend more buying from an experienced professional but you will save yourself many, > > many hours searching for and selling and experimenting with used equipment. > > > > It all comes down to how much time, money, patience and experience you have. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Why should > > > I pay 3 grand for a new turntable if I can buy something damn close for 1200 > > > and then pay a professional a hundred bux to set it up? > > > > > > Regards > > > Carl > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 8 16:57:07 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:57:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fabfour and OT posts References: <3c15bb50.2771512@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <00f401c18000$fcfed900$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> Fab Four Fan wrote > > What the heck is *this* about? What is the connection to Nakamichi and > cassettes? > With all due respect OT means off topic please hit the delete button if this bothers you So far the *active* participants of this list have not complained about OT posts. You may also note that many of the posters of off topic posts also post the most on Nak related material Think about this and get back to us Sincerely Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 17:00:36 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:00:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002501c18001$79d35460$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Jim, some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this way help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff themselves. That's OK I think. At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and who could help each other. Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all > of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. > > Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local > two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? > > What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? > > Thank you! > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 17:21:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:21:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <002501c18001$79d35460$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <000201c18004$5325df60$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd accept, to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers Hi Jim, some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this way help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff themselves. That's OK I think. At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and who could help each other. Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 17:51:20 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:51:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00fa01c18008$90887440$2c756acf@johnrotten> Not only "Nakamichi Spoken Here" ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by > all on this list. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > > > > >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > > > > >John > > > > I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do > > with Nakamichi cassette products? > > > > Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? > > > > Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other > > lists, don't they? > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 17:56:59 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:56:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <010e01c18009$5a4c5ee0$2c756acf@johnrotten> How about a little Beatles talk there FabFourFan? Did I tell you that I saw them in Slough, UK on Guy Fawkes night 1964........... Sorry! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 18:00:36 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:00:36 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Fabfour and OT posts In-Reply-To: <00f401c18000$fcfed900$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> References: <3c15bb50.2771512@mail.voicenet.com> <00f401c18000$fcfed900$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3c1f4026.36783292@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:57:07 -0500, "Warren" wrote: > >Fab Four Fan wrote >> >> What the heck is *this* about? What is the connection to Nakamichi and >> cassettes? >> > >With all due respect OT means off topic >please hit the delete button if this bothers you >So far the *active* participants of this list have not complained >about OT posts. You may also note that many of the posters >of off topic posts also post the most on Nak related material >Think about this and get back to us >Sincerely >Warren For Heaven's sake, I know what OT means - remember, the original post was a commentary on KEYSTONE CORRECTION IN VIDEO PROJECTORS... Did Nakamichi start making VIDEO PROJECTORS? No. Can I connect a cassette deck to a VIDEO PROJECTOR? No. I agree that VIDEO PROJECTORS are OT on naktalk. --- Look, a member is able to post anything they want in here, but as I said previously, and please don't take offense: > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. --- I'm sorry if my comments have caused some discomfort. Pardon me for noticing! Carry on, then. Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 18:08:02 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:08:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <010e01c18009$5a4c5ee0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000401c1800a$e55d2680$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> I suppose a reunion concert is now out of the question ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 04:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic How about a little Beatles talk there FabFourFan? Did I tell you that I saw them in Slough, UK on Guy Fawkes night 1964........... Sorry! John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 18:12:55 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:12:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 References: <3c1ae07a.12287748@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <011801c1800b$943f3350$2c756acf@johnrotten> Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found Nakamichi 700 II which have I have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox B 215 Cassette Decks via ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New Mexico. The first of which Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, operating deck. My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? > >Cheers, Marc > > > Hey there, Marc. > > I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) > which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. > > I really need to save up a few hundred dollars > and have Mr Sank make it right, > and then I'll like it even more! > > What are you listening to these days? > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 8 18:17:55 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:17:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02ce01c1800c$4705a640$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all > of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. > > Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local > two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? What do you mean by other than heavily discounted prices? > What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? Paying :-) > Thank you! Your Welcome > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 18:18:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:18:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011f01c1800c$614ec680$2c756acf@johnrotten> I guess it depends on ones interests. Posting after posting about turntables leaves me kinda cold, Thorens TD-150 / SME/ ADC here. But every few posting there is something really interesting and certainly worth the price of admission! Nakamichi less John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > OK, Mike. > > I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as you do but I > read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. > > Enjoy the rest of your evening. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 18:21:17 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:21:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157F93@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <012701c1800c$bf581bf0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! TAG Heuer John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tellez, Raul CONT" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > As long as it stays in the Audio world, I think it's cool. > > Microsoft software, watches, and magic bricks I could do without. > > Cheers, > Raul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > OK, Mike. > > I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as > you do but I > read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. > > Enjoy the rest of your evening. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > > Mike > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 18:22:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:22:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 In-Reply-To: <011801c1800b$943f3350$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000801c1800c$f9cfe9c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on cassette decks ... could be you've some competition starting in the duplication game! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found Nakamichi 700 II which have I have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox B 215 Cassette Decks via ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New Mexico. The first of which Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, operating deck. My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? > >Cheers, Marc > > > Hey there, Marc. > > I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) > which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. > > I really need to save up a few hundred dollars > and have Mr Sank make it right, > and then I'll like it even more! > > What are you listening to these days? > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 18:25:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:25:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <012701c1800c$bf581bf0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Well, if Nakamichi had "made" one, like Musical Fidelity have done for the last couple of years, watches could be fair game! ;o) Did I tell you about my fake Rolex ..... G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 05:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! TAG Heuer John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 18:30:20 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:30:20 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <010e01c18009$5a4c5ee0$2c756acf@johnrotten> References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <010e01c18009$5a4c5ee0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3c244d60.40169630@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:56:59 -0500, you wrote: >How about a little Beatles talk there FabFourFan? Did I tell you that I saw >them in Slough, UK on Guy Fawkes night 1964........... > >Sorry! > >John At the Odeon Cinema, Nottingham? It must have been terrifically exciting! But if you honestly want to tell me the story, please email me off-list, right? :-) FabFourFan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 8 18:33:12 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:33:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02d201c1800e$6941c520$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> For my real take on dealers I think it really depends on what you are buying If you are buying mainstream stuff such as speakers, amps, cd players then visiting and *buying* from local dealers is not only a good idea but probably cheaper in the long run. *Finding* good local dealers is another problem altogether. What makes a good dealer, well that's easy one who listens to what *you* the guy/gal with the money *wants* has a wide enough selection to give you decent options, and *knows* what he is talking about. I can't count the number of times I have dealt with sales reps in and out of audio who know less about the products they represent than I do. And before Jim or anyone else gets offended I have found this trait in companies that I used to do hundreds of thousands of dollars a year with in business so its not just related to high end audio. What I want is somone who can understand what I am looking for and translate that *need* into the right product even if that product isn't what I was originally looking for. However when it comes to buying turntables, and cartridges its much harder than using a local dealer. There are very few dealers left who actually have set up various brands of turntables to listen to and even less who have cartridges available and even less than that who know how to setup a table. So in this case I'd suggest searching out a few local record collectors who are into high end audio (sadly the two don't necessarily go together) and tapping into their knowledge and getting a chance to hear a few systems in action. And once purchase is made get *them* to do the setup. my two OT cents warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 8 18:35:53 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:35:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157F93@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <012701c1800c$bf581bf0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <02e001c1800e$c99b9a40$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> > Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! > > TAG Heuer John No! but we could couldn't we..... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 18:42:55 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:42:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <000401c1800a$e55d2680$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <016801c1800f$c4f96cf0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Not until the other two join them, hopefully all in the same place. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > I suppose a reunion concert is now out of the question ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:57 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > How about a little Beatles talk there FabFourFan? Did I tell you that I saw > them in Slough, UK on Guy Fawkes night 1964........... > > Sorry! > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 18:46:29 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:46:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? Message-ID: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi all A topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather lifelike. For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by lightning. Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Sat Dec 8 18:47:35 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:47:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> <011f01c1800c$614ec680$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <00cc01c18010$6c2942c0$9d021fac@brianm> For my .02 cents. There are a number of people who have been on Naktalk for quite awhile and have discussed Nak's inside and out, yet enjoy conversations with those they have come to know. Issues of interest and disinterest come and go. I too grew old of many TT and PC related e-mails, but I have posted off topic questions myself, so who am I to complain! There is plenty of diversity on here and those with all different experiences and when researching other avenues it can be helpful to quiz our Nakmates. I think there are times when a discussion is OT, becomes lengthy, and is between a few, it could be carried on amongst themselves; these instances are rare, IMO. Maybe we should call it the Nakclub? John, watches have comes and gone! Brian "Revue Thommen" Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > I guess it depends on ones interests. Posting after posting about turntables > leaves me kinda cold, Thorens TD-150 / SME/ ADC here. But every few posting > there is something really interesting and certainly worth the price of > admission! > > Nakamichi less John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 18:48:42 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all on the list. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > Well, if Nakamichi had "made" one, like Musical Fidelity have done for the > last couple of years, watches could be fair game! ;o) > > Did I tell you about my fake Rolex ..... > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 05:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! > > TAG Heuer John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bobpage at wam.umd.edu Sat Dec 8 18:49:11 2001 From: bobpage at wam.umd.edu (Bob Page) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:49:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: I've had great success over a period of several year, among several Naks, with Stephen Sank. And compared to the local Nakamichi authorized repair shop, I found the cost very reasonable. Bob Page On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I agree with Ron, > > No matter what or how long it takes, I strongly recommend getting the CR-7 repaired. This is one piece of equipment that should be given a second chance. Think about this, If you get rid of it and replace it with something else your mind will be thinking about the CR-7 all the time about how brilliant it made your recording, the way it looked, the fact it was a NAKAMICHI! I have an old 480 that doesn't want to play, it's not one of Nakamichi's finest but it still a Nakamichi, and I will not part with it. Someday I will get it going again and will thank myself that I didn't get rid of it. If there is no one around where you live that can repair it for you, send it to Stephen Sank for a service, I know that it will cost a lot in shipment but it will be worth it. I'm currently seeking a nostalgic Sansui receiver and will definitely pay the cost if I have to bring it back from America - (Australia just doesn't have the quantity and are vary scarce), but in the end I know it ! ! > will be worth it. > > I hope I have not bored you with what I said, but I believe in keeping the past alive - long live Nakamichi cassette decks! > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ole thofte [mailto:ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk] > Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 1:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia > > > This is to the topic I think: > I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. > What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": one tape representing each change I made and listening to this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the changes - not always for the better though. > ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. > ole thofte > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Dec 8 18:40:27 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:40:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <20011208.124947.-435133.0.josephj69@juno.com> Personally, I usually can't stand long OT threads on mailing lists. But for some reason, on this list I actually enjoy the OT threads more than the Nak threads. - Joe On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 02:00:38 -0800 Jim Volpatti writes: > OK, Mike. > > I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who > felt as you do but I > read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. > > Enjoy the rest of your evening. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme > minority. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on > naktalk. > > > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic > here > > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > > Mike > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sat Dec 8 18:53:26 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:53:26 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> References: <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3c285342.41676090@mail.voicenet.com> On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:42 +0100, "ole thofte" wrote: >Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all on the list. >Ole Now THAT is something I could get behind! :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 19:01:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:01:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: Message-ID: <3C12555B.1D9A0160@earthlink.net> Hey, sometimes people get confused when given too much of a choice. LOL Glad to hear that radio is still ticking. = ) Jim Volpatti POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:13:21 -0800 > > From: Jim Volpatti > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > hmmm... > > > > Sounds like Third Reich Stereo, owned by Adolph Hifi. > > > > geeeeeez... > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Similarly, here in Antwerp, there's a street (and it's not miles long, > rather a few hundred yards), that has I think about ten Hifi shops (no > high-end), and I remember that I once wanted to buy a portable radio . So I > went into the biggest one of them (where they also sold all sorts of > components, and Velleman kits, and loudspeakers kits and stuff), and I asked > for a portable radio . > "How much do you want to spend ?" > "Well, let's say ... around $30." > And the guy disappeared for a brief moment, and came back with a box . > "Here it is . $29.95 ." > The guy had no intention of opening the box, or giving any info or such ... > you asked for a portable radio of $30 ... so here it is . > How's that for selling technique ? :-) > > Eddy > > BTW ... that was some 20 years ago, the thing (a Philips) is still used > every workday, and still plays flawlessly ... so perhaps not such a bad > approach after all :-) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 19:02:50 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:02:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 References: <000801c1800c$f9cfe9c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <019201c18012$8d59be00$2c756acf@johnrotten> Hey DAT's not fair! You new PCM-2500 owner. ;-) I think Carlos said he was getting out of cassette duplication. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on cassette decks ... could be you've some competition starting in the duplication game! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found Nakamichi 700 II which have I have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox B 215 Cassette Decks via ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New Mexico. The first of which Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, operating deck. My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? > >Cheers, Marc > > > Hey there, Marc. > > I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) > which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. > > I really need to save up a few hundred dollars > and have Mr Sank make it right, > and then I'll like it even more! > > What are you listening to these days? > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Dec 8 19:21:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:21:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3c1ae07a.12287748@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <008f01c18016$5c9e5240$73289bca@smarzuki> ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that Mike, hope you're not grouchy because of George's death (can't find more polite word). > > What are you listening to these days? Anybody like Pink Martini's music ? > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Dec 8 19:28:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:28:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine References: Message-ID: <009201c18016$5f5f4700$73289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, other than Nak car unit, what other (mass) brand do you recommend ? I tried pioneer sony and alipne, seems like alpine has a more natural sound. BTW, do newer Nak units have better FM than TD500-700 ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine Hi Stephen, Are you referring to current Nakamichi head units vs current Alpine stuff? The reason I ask is I haven't seen a second hand Nak head unit from the eighties, or early nineties for sale here, ever. Well there was a TD1000 in Jo'Burg a year ago, but one of our colleague Naktalkers there snapped that up faster than greased lightening. Marc >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 12/08/01 02:17AM >>> NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better than the top Alpine junk. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Dec 8 19:16:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:16:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR problems References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011208213940.00ab9280@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <008e01c18016$58c18d40$73289bca@smarzuki> Can't help to notice that CR series just start to develop problems here and there. Hopefully they're as easy to fix as 582's stop light bulb ... old nak rules ! BTW Nick, congrats on your new ZX9. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 azimuth adjustment problem ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 19:31:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:31:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 In-Reply-To: <019201c18012$8d59be00$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001601c18016$95db5620$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> LOL!!! Yeah, but but I don't know if it's working until it arrives and I ain't got even ONE Revox!!! ;o) Ah, go on - give me one! You'll still have four!!! ;o) LOL!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 06:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Hey DAT's not fair! You new PCM-2500 owner. ;-) I think Carlos said he was getting out of cassette duplication. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on cassette decks ... could be you've some competition starting in the duplication game! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found Nakamichi 700 II which have I have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox B 215 Cassette Decks via ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New Mexico. The first of which Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, operating deck. My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 19:31:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:31:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <3c285342.41676090@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <001b01c18016$97fc1340$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Well then? Who's got the right contacts with Nakamichi? Let's consult the diary of Nakamichi History - there must be some kind of anniversary coming up for which they might be persuaded to make some anniversary watches and give 'em to us Nakophiliacs as thanks for our loyalty and devotion ... G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FabFourFan Sent: 08 December 2001 05:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:42 +0100, "ole thofte" wrote: >Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all on the list. >Ole Now THAT is something I could get behind! :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 19:32:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:32:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C12555B.1D9A0160@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c18016$af5c9280$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah, that's right - after all, the hi fi industry did for quite a while follow in Henry Ford's steps, didn't they - you could have any colour amp or CD player you wanted, as long as it was BLACK! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 08 December 2001 06:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers Hey, sometimes people get confused when given too much of a choice. LOL Glad to hear that radio is still ticking. = ) Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 19:49:57 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:49:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877157F93@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <012701c1800c$bf581bf0$2c756acf@johnrotten> <02e001c1800e$c99b9a40$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <019e01c18019$227ed640$2c756acf@johnrotten> Yeah! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > > > > Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! > > > > TAG Heuer John > > No! but we could couldn't we..... > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 8 19:53:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:53:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia Message-ID: <8e.1f77ad15.2943bb96@aol.com> In a message dated 12/7/2001 8:54:05 PM Central Standard Time, ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk writes: << Ron I'm working at it. The old agencies are shut down in Denmark but some of the old technicians who used to work with Naks are still around and I'm trying to track them down. I would like to have a total going over and adjustment besides what is damaged by the lightning. I once had our piano worked over by a 80 year old pianobuilder who lived in the neighbourhood and who used to build those pianos at the factory in the 30's. He was most thorough and it was a lot of fun to watch and talk to the old guy and I took a lot of pictures. ole >> Hi Ole, I am just getting around to reading my email so please forgive me if this has already been addressed. But, I can attest firsthand that it would be worth it to do whatever is reasonable to have your CR-7 repaired. If you like to record to cassette, it's a great machine! If I knew how I'd fix it for you for free. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 19:55:40 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:55:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <01b001c18019$ef21c4f0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Actually there was one on ebay a few months back. Probably a Nakamichi gift to a productive, read high sales, Dealer. I started to bid but remember it being a popular item and it sold for a healthy price. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all on > the list. > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:25 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > > Well, if Nakamichi had "made" one, like Musical Fidelity have done for the > > last couple of years, watches could be fair game! ;o) > > > > Did I tell you about my fake Rolex ..... > > > > G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 08 December 2001 05:21 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > > > > Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! > > > > TAG Heuer John > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:00:12 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:00:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> <002501c18001$79d35460$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C12633C.D10FC284@earthlink.net> Interesting ideas, Ole. Thanks! Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Hi Jim, > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this way > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff themselves. > That's OK I think. > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and who > could help each other. > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of > questions to all > > of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my > customers' needs. > > > > Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you > like your local > > two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? > > > > What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to > avoid? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:01:49 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:01:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <000201c18004$5325df60$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C12639D.815114BB@earthlink.net> I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd accept, > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > Hi Jim, > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this way > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff themselves. > That's OK I think. > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and who > could help each other. > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > Ole > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:04:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:04:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <004801c17f7d$0008c9a0$299087d9@a4s1s2> <001c01c17f83$6dffab80$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C116931.3042D86C@earthlink.net> <3C116E3A.3558B9D9@earthlink.net> <02ce01c1800c$4705a640$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C126455.139C09FF@earthlink.net> Thanks for your helpful comments! LOL Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of > questions to all > > of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my > customers' needs. > > > > Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you > like your local > > two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? > > What do you mean by other than heavily discounted prices? > > > What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to > avoid? > > Paying :-) > > > Thank you! > > Your Welcome > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 8 20:07:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:07:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <90.1e4423b2.2943bf04@aol.com> In a message dated 12/8/2001 2:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, FabFourFan at nme.com writes: << I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. Mike FabFourFan Patrick >> Hi All, Are previous NakTalker discussions archived anywhere? We've had some wonderful rounds regarding everything Nakamichi and given this comment I was curious. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 20:10:29 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:10:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 In-Reply-To: <000801c1800c$f9cfe9c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20011208191029.95845.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> That's nothing! Try 107 Nakamichi MR-1's housed in 9 six foot tall 19" rack mount cabinets with lots and lots of cables. Then there were the two DAT machines (Panasonic SV-3800 & Sony PCM-2700) in another rack with Aphex line amplifiers and a Dolby Lab encoder. Luckily it was local. I just called a couple friends, rented a U-Haul truck and picked it up. I've more than made my money back and I still have 40+ decks and both the DAT decks. SJ --- Graham Nelson wrote: > Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on > cassette decks ... could > be you've some competition starting in the > duplication game! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 > > > Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found > Nakamichi 700 II which have I > have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox > B 215 Cassette Decks via > ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New > Mexico. The first of which > Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, > operating deck. My only > negative feeling about these two machines are that > they are SO large! The > 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, > very deep and wide. I > also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't > been plugged in yet. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FabFourFan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > > > >Hi Mike, > > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks > are you using > presently, and any other decks for that matter? > > >Cheers, Marc > > > > > > Hey there, Marc. > > > > I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) > > which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. > > > > I really need to save up a few hundred dollars > > and have Mr Sank make it right, > > and then I'll like it even more! > > > > What are you listening to these days? > > > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:12:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:12:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... sheeeeesh!!! = ) Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine > machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded > LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone > input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too > expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input > of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings using my > homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky > hearing what was happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The > noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather lifelike.For > my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone (Electret) which > was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total > 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Dec 8 20:13:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:13:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Message-ID: <98.1ea22938.2943c043@aol.com> In a message dated 12/8/2001 11:14:31 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John >> Hi John, So what are your impressions of the Revox's sound vs. Naks? I remember a previous post from someone on this list that preferred the Revox sound to that of Nakamichi as they found Naks to sound bright. Also, having had two B-215's, would you keep one and use it or back to naks only for you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:13:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:13:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <20011208.124947.-435133.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C126674.620176E1@earthlink.net> Interesting indeed. Any thoughts about why? Jim Volpatti josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Personally, I usually can't stand long OT threads on mailing lists. But > for some reason, on this list I actually enjoy the OT threads more than > the Nak threads. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Dec 8 20:24:55 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:24:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <3c285342.41676090@mail.voicenet.com> References: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208142250.02c7c560@mail.verizon.net> At 12/8/01, you wrote: >On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:42 +0100, >"ole thofte" wrote: > > >Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all > on the list. > >Ole > > >Now THAT is something I could get behind! :-) ========================= If they use the same designers they used for the MR-1 and 582, the numbers would read backwards and the hour hand would be longer than the minute hand - but it would keep perfect time. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 20:38:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:38:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo recordings too. Managing a MS mic configuration would be prove difficult though! LOL Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > >> Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these >> fine machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly >> recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a >> microphone input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment >> too expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic >> input of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings >> using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really >> spooky hearing what was happening in the room through your >> loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything >> rather lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent >> microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a >> cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't >> get hit by lightning.Ole > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 20:42:03 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:42:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 References: <001601c18016$95db5620$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01e501c18020$69b59060$2c756acf@johnrotten> Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 LOL!!! Yeah, but but I don't know if it's working until it arrives and I ain't got even ONE Revox!!! ;o) Ah, go on - give me one! You'll still have four!!! ;o) LOL!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 06:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Hey DAT's not fair! You new PCM-2500 owner. ;-) I think Carlos said he was getting out of cassette duplication. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on cassette decks ... could be you've some competition starting in the duplication game! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found Nakamichi 700 II which have I have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox B 215 Cassette Decks via ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New Mexico. The first of which Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, operating deck. My only negative feeling about these two machines are that they are SO large! The 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, very deep and wide. I also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't been plugged in yet. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 20:49:46 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:49:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 References: <20011208191029.95845.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01f701c18021$7d6e9600$2c756acf@johnrotten> Holy Moly! what a find. I wonder what they were dubbing, anything on any DAT tapes? You didn't say what you paid! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 > That's nothing! Try 107 Nakamichi MR-1's housed in 9 > six foot tall 19" rack mount cabinets with lots and > lots of cables. Then there were the two DAT machines > (Panasonic SV-3800 & Sony PCM-2700) in another rack > with Aphex line amplifiers and a Dolby Lab encoder. > > Luckily it was local. I just called a couple friends, > rented a U-Haul truck and picked it up. > > I've more than made my money back and I still have 40+ > decks and both the DAT decks. > > SJ > --- Graham Nelson > wrote: > > Hey, look out, Carlos - this guy's stocking up on > > cassette decks ... could > > be you've some competition starting in the > > duplication game! > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 08 December 2001 05:13 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 > > > > > > Stephen did a beautiful job on my ebay found > > Nakamichi 700 II which have I > > have since sold. I then purchased five, yes 5 ReVox > > B 215 Cassette Decks via > > ebay that were shipped directly to Stephen in New > > Mexico. The first of which > > Stephen breathed on and is a wonderful sounding, > > operating deck. My only > > negative feeling about these two machines are that > > they are SO large! The > > 700 being narrow, which helps but the B215 is big, > > very deep and wide. I > > also have just acquired a ReVox B 225 CD that hasn't > > been plugged in yet. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "FabFourFan" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > > > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks > > are you using > > presently, and any other decks for that matter? > > > >Cheers, Marc > > > > > > > > > Hey there, Marc. > > > > > > I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) > > > which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. > > > > > > I really need to save up a few hundred dollars > > > and have Mr Sank make it right, > > > and then I'll like it even more! > > > > > > What are you listening to these days? > > > > > > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 20:53:57 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:53:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <021701c18022$135697d0$2c756acf@johnrotten> I think we all have one of those in a draw somewhere. If we are lucky it has a Seiko quartz movement. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > Well, if Nakamichi had "made" one, like Musical Fidelity have done for the > last couple of years, watches could be fair game! ;o) > > Did I tell you about my fake Rolex ..... > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 05:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > Did we mention WATCHES, I missed it! > > TAG Heuer John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 21:49:48 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:49:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Jim I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I found this on the net: "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music recording with very good results." How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo recordings too. Managing a MS mic configuration would be prove difficult though! LOL Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... sheeeeesh!!! = ) Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 8 22:36:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:36:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote References: Message-ID: <3C1287C1.88753C6A@concentric.net> winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am looking for a replacement RM-7C remote control unit for the CR-7 (I > know it's as rare as hen's teeth). What I am wondering is if the remote > control for other Nak units such as the RM-7 (I think for the OMS CD > players?) will be suitable? Or is there any way you can modify them to > operate the CR-7? Thanks for any help you can give me. > > Kelvin. I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available from Nakamichi and cost $85. If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file for the CR-7. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 22:35:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:35:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 In-Reply-To: <20011208191029.95845.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c18030$473621c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Scott, put me down as "impressed"! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 08 December 2001 07:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 That's nothing! Try 107 Nakamichi MR-1's housed in 9 six foot tall 19" rack mount cabinets with lots and lots of cables. Then there were the two DAT machines (Panasonic SV-3800 & Sony PCM-2700) in another rack with Aphex line amplifiers and a Dolby Lab encoder. Luckily it was local. I just called a couple friends, rented a U-Haul truck and picked it up. I've more than made my money back and I still have 40+ decks and both the DAT decks. SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 22:35:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:35:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C12639D.815114BB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, royalties for the idea!! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd accept, > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > Hi Jim, > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this way > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff themselves. > That's OK I think. > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and who > could help each other. > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > Ole > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 22:35:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:35:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <3C126674.620176E1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002701c18030$4967a7c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Ummmm .... could it be that some of the Nak threads are cyclic (e.g. "what's the best tape for...", "demagnetisers", "cleaning fluids" "which is the best Nakamichi?") and the OT's offer light relief in between the repetitive cycle? Mind you, some of the OTs are a bit cyclic, too ..... interconnects and cable wire, for example! ;o) But I'm NOT complaining!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 08 December 2001 07:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic Interesting indeed. Any thoughts about why? Jim Volpatti josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Personally, I usually can't stand long OT threads on mailing lists. But > for some reason, on this list I actually enjoy the OT threads more than > the Nak threads. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 22:35:48 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:35:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <021701c18022$135697d0$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <002d01c18030$4d5535a0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah, usually with a non-standard fit broken strap! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic I think we all have one of those in a draw somewhere. If we are lucky it has a Seiko quartz movement. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 22:35:45 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:35:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 In-Reply-To: <01e501c18020$69b59060$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <002801c18030$4b454160$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 22:59:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:59:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine References: <009201c18016$5f5f4700$73289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00a101c18033$ac20c240$413442cf@sank1> I'm only going by what clients & friends have told me, but it seems that Clarion actually has been making quite good head units, with the best, of course, having a McIntosh label & cool faceplate. Perhaps their acquisition of McIntosh has made them more concious of the quality of their own stuff. And I truly admire them for how much they have let McIntosh have autonomy, save for making them do car amps. It is rare, maybe unprecedented, for such a mass market company to acquire a highend maker & not trash it. As for the tuners on newer Nak head units, I would defer to John Smokevitch, who has first hand comparison experience between old TD-1200 & the new stuff. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine > > Hi Stephen, other than Nak car unit, what other (mass) brand do you > recommend ? I tried pioneer sony and alipne, seems like alpine has a more > natural sound. BTW, do newer Nak units have better FM than TD500-700 ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Way off topic - Nak head units vs Alpine > > > Hi Stephen, > > Are you referring to current Nakamichi head units vs current Alpine stuff? > The reason I ask is I haven't seen a second hand Nak head unit from the > eighties, or early nineties for sale here, ever. Well there was a TD1000 in > Jo'Burg a year ago, but one of our colleague Naktalkers there snapped that > up faster than greased lightening. > > Marc > > > >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 12/08/01 02:17AM >>> > NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't get an Alpine! I was forced to work on them the last > few years, & I can tell you that, without exception or reservation, they > make nothing but garbage. The cheapest Nak head unit is magnitudes better > than the top Alpine junk. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 23:07:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:07:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00ca01c18034$ab51bd00$413442cf@sank1> I do actually apply the same techniques I use to service ribbon microphones to servicing Apogee ribbon speakers. You know, if you put a 0.5ohm-to-250ohm mic transformer on an Apogee, I think it's tweeter ribbon would make a pretty darn nice recording, albeit with treble only good on the axis precisely in front of the vertical center of the ribbon, or at a substantial distance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine > > machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded > > LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone > > input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too > > expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input > > of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings using my > > homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky > > hearing what was happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The > > noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather lifelike.For > > my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone (Electret) which > > was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total > > 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 23:09:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:09:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011208142250.02c7c560@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <00d601c18035$0b03b960$413442cf@sank1> And the watch would stop every time you unclasped the wristband.(obscure reference to the 582 stop light) BTW, Marc, I find your objection to the button location on the MR-1 puzzling, since hitting record puts you only in to rec-pause, not yet firing up the erase oscillator. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > At 12/8/01, you wrote: > >On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:48:42 +0100, > >"ole thofte" wrote: > > > > >Yeah, let's persuade Nakamichi to produce complementary watches to all > > on the list. > > >Ole > > > > > >Now THAT is something I could get behind! :-) > > ========================= > > If they use the same designers they used for the MR-1 and 582, the > numbers would read backwards and the hour hand would be longer than > the minute hand - but it would keep perfect time. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 8 23:10:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:10:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 azimuth adjustment problem References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011208213940.00ab9280@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3C128FCB.EEAF6000@concentric.net> Brett Dickel wrote: > > Hi all > My CR7 Azimuth adjustment is no longer working ! > I discovered this when I was trying to calibrate a Type 1 tape to the > machine and the error with all three lights (azimuth, level and bias) > flashed at me. > Now the azimuth control can be fully turned from left to right and there is > no adjustment happening ! > And the machine sounds bad cos the adjustment it stopped at was off optimum > (well that's my guess) > Anyone struck this problem before...any easy fixes? or just tears? As far as I can see, there's really nothing that the non technical person can do. Just to make sure, try switching the CR-7 off for a few minutes, then making sure that azimuth manual adjustment still doesn't work (I am sure you already know this, but just in case: remove cassette; remove cassette cover; close the door. Now, turn azimuth control end-to-end while closely watching the PB head. When operational, VERY SLIGHT side-to-side head movement can be seen). If it's truly non-functional, the problem could be mechanical (stuck motor, motor turning but not actuating either head or FB pot), electrical (the azimuth control utilizes an analog/digital servo loop) or computer related (the servo loop also involves the processor and internal F/W). While it's unlikely the latter, you never know. In that case, this is definitely a job for Stephen. -- Ron > Brett > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 8 23:14:05 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:14:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <003801c18035$a614fd60$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Ole You must have a very tolerant wife - does she have a similar sister?! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 08:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Jim I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I found this on the net: "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music recording with very good results." How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 8 23:19:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:19:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT Projection technology References: <3c15bb50.2771512@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <3C1291DE.CF7048FC@concentric.net> FabFourFan wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:16:22 -0600, > "Vernon T. Hanson" wrote: > > >Quite a few of the projectors have electronic keystone adjustment. Many time > >this adjustment will result in jagged vertical line if your correction is > >more that just a few degrees. The best systems will have a mechanical lens > >shift to compensate for the vertical axis adjustment. Also, many of the > > >VideoVern > > What the heck is *this* about? What is the connection to Nakamichi and > cassettes? > > Why not take this off-line or to an appropriate mail list or newsgroup > or online forum - surely there are lots of places where your information > would be appreciated! > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick This was in direct response to a question. On the whole, this is a friendly, informal mail list. Our main interest is Nakamichi cassette decks and products, but we often diverge to analog and digital sound reproduction issues and even HT. People not interested in OT posts just delete and move on, keeping their cool. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Dec 8 23:22:53 2001 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:22:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <002d01c18030$4d5535a0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Forget SEIKO Quartz, some used to have Zenith movement ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sat, December 08, 2001 3:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic Yeah, usually with a non-standard fit broken strap! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic I think we all have one of those in a draw somewhere. If we are lucky it has a Seiko quartz movement. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 8 23:25:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:25:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> My good friend Wes Dooley has extensive info about M-S stereo recording on his AEA website, wesdooley.com. In brief, M-S, properly done, requires one bipolar mic(figure-8 pattern) & one cardioid or unidirectional mic. The bipolar is oriented sideways, facing right or left, and the cardioid is pointed forwards, in as close proximity as possible to the bipolar. My ideal M-S mic setup is an RCA BK-5 uni ribbon mic with an RCA BK-11(my dad's creation) bipolar ribbon mic. The tricky part of M-S is the preamp/mixer. One channel of the stereo pattern is cardioid summed together with the bipolar, in phase with eachother. The other channel is the cardiod summed with the INVERTED phase bipolar mic signal. So, you either need a mixer that has the ability to send one in phase & one inverted phase signal simultaneously, or, on the simpler approach, use three channels of mixer/preamp, splitting the bipolar output to two channels. You then feed the bipolar's second channel feed with the balanced line input wiring reversed(i.e., with pin 3 of XLR plug getting the + wire, instead of pin 2). You then send each of these channels into the separate stereo channels, then feed the cardioid channel equally into both stereo channels, using the level control on each of the bipolar channels to control how much stereo effect is desired. The "cheap & dirty" way to do this is to use either a 500, 550, 350, 700 or 1000 series Nak deck, or an MX100 3-ch Nak mic mixer. You then make a "Y cable" for the bipolar mic- one female XLR to two male XLR, with one of the male plugs wired out of phase. You then plug the mic lines into the 1/4" unbalanced mic inputs on the Nak unit with Shure A-95 or equivalent XLR-1/4" balanced-to-unbalanced inline transformer adaptors. Then, you just use the left, right & blend mic level pots to mix your stereo recording feed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Jim I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I found this on the net: "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music recording with very good results." How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo recordings too. Managing a MS mic configuration would be prove difficult though! LOL Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... sheeeeesh!!! = ) Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone input in the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input of high sensitivity: among other things I made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 23:34:04 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 References: <002501c18030$473621c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <025b01c18038$7199e700$2c756acf@johnrotten> Graham I wonder what the difference is between our 2500 and Scott's 2600? Stephen restored an SV-3700 for me, again one series down from Scott's machine. Scott any idea of the differences? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 > Scott, put me down as "impressed"! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Scott Johnson > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 > > > That's nothing! Try 107 Nakamichi MR-1's housed in 9 > six foot tall 19" rack mount cabinets with lots and > lots of cables. Then there were the two DAT machines > (Panasonic SV-3800 & Sony PCM-2700) in another rack > with Aphex line amplifiers and a Dolby Lab encoder. > > Luckily it was local. I just called a couple friends, > rented a U-Haul truck and picked it up. > > I've more than made my money back and I still have 40+ > decks and both the DAT decks. > > SJ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 23:37:21 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:37:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 References: <002801c18030$4b454160$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <026501c18038$e6cf1720$2c756acf@johnrotten> Scott I'm going to copy Harry James onto DAT for you as we were both limey Boy Scouts and heck it's Christmas, Bah Humbug! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 8 23:41:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:41:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C12970F.64D631E8@concentric.net> LOL... This has really gone totally OT... To return to our original OT subject, I noted 3 letters to the editor in the recent (just delivered) PC Mag. Two readers were berating WinXP for refusing to run some main stream applications (including Microsoft's own Works), lack of drivers for common sound boards such as soundBlaster no less) and Microsoft's use of customers as (belated) beta testers. It's all very funny. What else do people expect from a monopoly? The third letter complained about Microsoft's new Money revision, that has become a 'veritable billboard' for Microsoft's MSN service. This complaint is even funnier. What else do people expect from a monopoly? There was also a short news item in the same issue. The DOJ anti trust case against Microsoft has ended. Microsoft has made some concessions and the will remain a monopoly -- from now on, under the auspices of the government. Somehow, this isn't quite as funny. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > OK, Mike. > > I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as you do but I > read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. > > Enjoy the rest of your evening. > > Jim Volpatti > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > > Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 8 23:41:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:41:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <002d01c18030$4d5535a0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <028501c18039$7ffca700$2c756acf@johnrotten> There you go! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > Yeah, usually with a non-standard fit broken strap! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > I think we all have one of those in a draw somewhere. If we are lucky it has > a Seiko quartz movement. > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Dec 8 23:57:38 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:57:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 References: <002801c18030$4b454160$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001d01c1803b$bc1c94a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Graham, That's the secondhand rat sniffing around and found a good bite ;-)= - You know one of my friend moved to the richer part of Copenhagen. He told me he went to the city waste place with some old TV. Here he found, not only a new B&O TV (couple of years old), but a hole hifisystem, NAD with speakers and the lot. He's been back several times and almost hit gold every time. Now I wonder if you can do the same in other big cities around the world........or maybee the garbage men have second hand hifisales on the side in some towns? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 00:13:02 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:13:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <003801c18035$a614fd60$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002b01c1803d$e2b41e60$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Graham yeah, her name is Jane. But she talks all the time !!-) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole You must have a very tolerant wife - does she have a similar sister?! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 08:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Jim I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I found this on the net: "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music recording with very good results." How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 9 00:13:31 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:13:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <00d601c18035$0b03b960$413442cf@sank1> References: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011208142250.02c7c560@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208175934.02176ae0@mail.verizon.net> True enough Steve. But the proximity of the record button to the play button directly above it makes it very easy to screw up and accidentally press both at the same time, putting the deck into record. You have to be very careful not to let that happen, and sometimes, when you are pressed for time... Believe me, I speak from experience. It's just very poor industrial design. There should at last be a safety switch, as on a REAL piece of pro gear. Some easy-to-get-to calibration controls would have been nice, as well. ________________ Marc Stager ================== At 12/8/01, you wrote: ... BTW, Marc, I find your objection to the button location on the MR-1 puzzling, since hitting record puts you only in to rec-pause, not yet firing up the erase oscillator. Stephen Sank > If they use the same designers they used for the MR-1 and 582, the > numbers would read backwards and the hour hand would be longer than > the minute hand - but it would keep perfect time. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 9 00:15:51 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:15:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: Message-ID: <031e01c1803e$47e60870$2c756acf@johnrotten> I thought Zenith used to catch on fire! Opps! sorry that was their TV's. ;-) I do have a Zenith Transistor Trans-Oceanic 11 band radio that needs a good home. Is was new to me approx. 25yrs. ago. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > Forget SEIKO Quartz, some used to have Zenith movement ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Sat, December 08, 2001 3:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > Yeah, usually with a non-standard fit broken strap! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > > I think we all have one of those in a draw somewhere. If we are lucky it has > a Seiko quartz movement. > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 9 00:18:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:18:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why hasn't anybody bought this yet? Message-ID: <016301c1803e$ae5331a0$413442cf@sank1> Spotted this great looking 682ZX last night, and am really perplexed at how nobody has gone for the quite good "buyitnow" price: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307575918 It'll probably get bid up past the reserve, making the buy option disappear, and will then go well over the $425 buy price. Weird. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 9 00:21:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:21:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic, back to MS again! References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> <3C12970F.64D631E8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <016901c1803f$03153120$413442cf@sank1> Well, that clinches it for me. If XP doesn't support MSWorks, no way could I use it even if I wanted to. I depend on MSWorks for my invoicing system, and have neither found anything more suitable for my specific needs, nor do I want to learn something new if there was such a thing suitable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > LOL... This has really gone totally OT... > > To return to our original OT subject, I noted 3 letters > to the editor in the recent (just delivered) PC Mag. Two > readers were berating WinXP for refusing to run some > main stream applications (including Microsoft's own Works), > lack of drivers for common sound boards such as soundBlaster > no less) and Microsoft's use of customers as (belated) beta > testers. It's all very funny. What else do people expect > from > a monopoly? > > The third letter complained about Microsoft's new Money > revision, that has become a 'veritable billboard' for > Microsoft's MSN service. This complaint is even funnier. > What else do people expect from a monopoly? > > There was also a short news item in the same issue. The > DOJ anti trust case against Microsoft has ended. > Microsoft has made some concessions and the will remain > a monopoly -- from now on, under the auspices of the > government. Somehow, this isn't quite as funny. > > -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > OK, Mike. > > > > I would be more apt to agree with you if there were a majority who felt as you do but I > > read very little complaint about off topic posts on this list. > > > > Enjoy the rest of your evening. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 01:23:09 -0800, > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > >Offender? To you perhaps, but then you are in the extreme minority. > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Jim, please, as I said previously: > > > > > > > Please realize that I'm not the list Daddy! > > > > I'm just expecting to read about Nakamichi and cassettes, on naktalk. > > > > > > Which means nothing except that I wish that we could stay on-topic here > > > in naktalk. That's all. No offense intended. > > > > > > Mike > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 9 00:27:47 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:27:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote Message-ID: Ron, I would be very grateful if you could provide me with that information and any guidance as to how I can then program the codes into the RC-5000. What is the address for the RemoteCentral website? Thanks. > >I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate >the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available >from Nakamichi and cost $85. > >If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz >RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into >it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web >site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file >for the CR-7. > >-- Ron >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 9 00:29:57 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:29:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011208182638.0217a810@mail.verizon.net> At 12/8/01, you wrote: >My good friend Wes Dooley has extensive info about M-S stereo recording on >his AEA website, wesdooley.com. >Stephen Sank Also, find some good explanation about M-S and a variety of other mi'cing techniqes here: When you get there click on "learn more about using microphones". http://www.dpamicrophones.com/index.htm ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 9 00:49:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:49:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <000d01c1800d$5833bb40$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <002601c18010$93a54b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011208142250.02c7c560@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011208175934.02176ae0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <018c01c18042$ff7f1540$413442cf@sank1> Gotcha. All things considered, the 680 series are a lot better choice for pro use, due to the very issues you mention. Of course, a CR-7A w/rack ears would be even better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > True enough Steve. But the proximity of the record button to the play > button directly above it makes it very easy to screw up and accidentally > press both at the same time, putting the deck into record. > > You have to be very careful not to let that happen, and sometimes, when > you are pressed for time... Believe me, I speak from experience. It's just > very poor industrial design. There should at last be a safety switch, as > on a REAL piece of pro gear. Some easy-to-get-to calibration controls > would have been nice, as well. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ================== > > At 12/8/01, you wrote: > ... BTW, Marc, I find your objection to the button location on the MR-1 > puzzling, since hitting record puts you only in to rec-pause, not yet firing > up the erase oscillator. > > Stephen Sank > > > If they use the same designers they used for the MR-1 and 582, the > > numbers would read backwards and the hour hand would be longer than > > the minute hand - but it would keep perfect time. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 00:55:01 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:55:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Stephen that sound a bit cpmplicated. I need to work on it. But I would like to give it a try. How do the recordings benefit? Another thing DIY ribbon mike: in my experience it's real simple to make a ribbon tweeter that works with some magents and some kitchen aluminium foil cut in 2-10 mm ribbons. How about a diy ribbon mike. With 10 mym alufoil the resistance of 3 mm ribbons is about 1 Ohm a meter (I use angelhair for christmastrees. This is the only use that makes any sense!). If I tape these ribbons to a plastic foil base say 1 inch wide and 1 foot long theres room for say 8 ribbons making it a diaphragm with 8 x 1/3 Ohm is almost 3 Ohms resistance. Place this diaph. in a system of powerfull magnets. I have a lot of the same magnets used by Apogee. Imagine a box with 3 rows of 8 magnets on each side and 1,5 inches apart. The diphr. in the middle and return cables to each indivual ribbon of 3 mm. Do you picture this - I wish it was possible to upload drawings to this list.3 Ohms resistance, but I wonder about the strength of the signal from this 1 foot tall mike and how the tonal balance would be. Maybe you have to add more magnets. It's got to be heavy. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > My good friend Wes Dooley has extensive info about M-S stereo recording on > his AEA website, wesdooley.com. > In brief, M-S, properly done, requires one bipolar mic(figure-8 pattern) & > one cardioid or unidirectional mic. The bipolar is oriented sideways, > facing right or left, and the cardioid is pointed forwards, in as close > proximity as possible to the bipolar. My ideal M-S mic setup is an RCA BK-5 > uni ribbon mic with an RCA BK-11(my dad's creation) bipolar ribbon mic. > The tricky part of M-S is the preamp/mixer. One channel of the stereo > pattern is cardioid summed together with the bipolar, in phase with > eachother. The other channel is the cardiod summed with the INVERTED phase > bipolar mic signal. So, you either need a mixer that has the ability to > send one in phase & one inverted phase signal simultaneously, or, on the > simpler approach, use three channels of mixer/preamp, splitting the bipolar > output to two channels. You then feed the bipolar's second channel feed > with the balanced line input wiring reversed(i.e., with pin 3 of XLR plug > getting the + wire, instead of pin 2). You then send each of these channels > into the separate stereo channels, then feed the cardioid channel equally > into both stereo channels, using the level control on each of the bipolar > channels to control how much stereo effect is desired. > The "cheap & dirty" way to do this is to use either a 500, 550, 350, 700 or > 1000 series Nak deck, or an MX100 3-ch Nak mic mixer. You then make a "Y > cable" for the bipolar mic- one female XLR to two male XLR, with one of the > male plugs wired out of phase. You then plug the mic lines into the 1/4" > unbalanced mic inputs on the Nak unit with Shure A-95 or equivalent XLR-1/4" > balanced-to-unbalanced inline transformer adaptors. Then, you just use the > left, right & blend mic level pots to mix your stereo recording feed. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ole thofte" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > Jim > I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I > found this on the net: > "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two > mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty > of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later > date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or > no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be > a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if > the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in > filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music > recording with very good results." > How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have > quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded > experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Volpatti > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo recordings too. > Managing a MS mic configuration would be prove difficult though! LOL > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these fine > machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded LP's > and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone input in > the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too expensive. At one time > I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input of high sensitivity: among > other things I made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la Apogee) > as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was happening in the room through > your loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything > rather lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone > (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK > microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by > lightning.Ole > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 9 01:06:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:06:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote References: Message-ID: <3C12AAFE.25A93F0C@concentric.net> The Pronto TSU1000 and Marantz RC-5000 (as well as their more expensive brothers the Pronto TSU2000 and Marantz RC-5000i) each use a program that allows one to setup a remote control configuration on a PC, save it as a 'CCF' file, then download it into the remote. BTW, there is also a Pronto Pro, with a color screen, that will set you back a cool $1,000. I can send you a CCF file of my CR-7 'panel' (or, if you wish, my complete CCF file that controls a dozen devices in my system, including my HT room lighting). You can open it with the Marantz SETUP program and merge it with whatever other devices you wish to control, then download it to your remote. The advantage of these remotes is that each 'button' on the remote screen can transmit not just one, but a series of up to 256 commands, to any of the devices in the system. For example, My CR-7 panel includes ON and OFF buttons. The CR-7 is plugged into an X-10 appliance module that is controlled through these ON and OFF buttons -- this provides me with power control that the original CR-7 remote lacks. I also have a DIM TO WATCH button, that switches off the TV ceiling light, then turns on and dims each of the other six lights in the room. Very handy. There are tons of information (as well as the above programs, utilities, manuals, CCF files, etc.) that you can download, on http://www.remotecentral.com/ -- Ron winnie pooh wrote: > > Ron, I would be very grateful if you could provide me with that information > and any guidance as to how I can then program the codes into the RC-5000. > What is the address for the RemoteCentral website? Thanks. > > > > >I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate > >the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available > >from Nakamichi and cost $85. > > > >If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz > >RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into > >it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web > >site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file > >for the CR-7. > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 01:30:12 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:30:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 In-Reply-To: <026501c18038$e6cf1720$2c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000b01c18048$aa8aac60$15b987d9@a4s1s2> What, Scott was a limey Boy Scout, too?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 10:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 Scott I'm going to copy Harry James onto DAT for you as we were both limey Boy Scouts and heck it's Christmas, Bah Humbug! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 01:32:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:32:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 In-Reply-To: <001d01c1803b$bc1c94a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001001c18049$09be02e0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Ole You must give me the location of that garbage site .... take me there!!! Sniff! Sniff! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 10:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 Graham, That's the secondhand rat sniffing around and found a good bite ;-)= - You know one of my friend moved to the richer part of Copenhagen. He told me he went to the city waste place with some old TV. Here he found, not only a new B&O TV (couple of years old), but a hole hifisystem, NAD with speakers and the lot. He's been back several times and almost hit gold every time. Now I wonder if you can do the same in other big cities around the world........or maybee the garbage men have second hand hifisales on the side in some towns? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 01:33:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:33:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <002b01c1803d$e2b41e60$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001501c18049$2f9757a0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Ole That's okay - I have headphones. Put her in touch with me! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 11:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Graham yeah, her name is Jane. But she talks all the time !!-) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole You must have a very tolerant wife - does she have a similar sister?! ;o) Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 02:12:04 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 02:12:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 References: <000b01c18048$aa8aac60$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c1804e$83f10620$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> what's a limey boy scout? maybe we have all been boy scouts, I have too. ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 What, Scott was a limey Boy Scout, too?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 10:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 Scott I'm going to copy Harry James onto DAT for you as we were both limey Boy Scouts and heck it's Christmas, Bah Humbug! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 02:14:52 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 02:14:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 References: <001001c18049$09be02e0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001501c1804e$e7e47cc0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Find your own garbage site...grrrrr (well, ok then, Lyngby, Copenhagen near the watertower, through the hole in the fence) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 Ole You must give me the location of that garbage site .... take me there!!! Sniff! Sniff! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 10:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 Graham, That's the secondhand rat sniffing around and found a good bite ;-)= - You know one of my friend moved to the richer part of Copenhagen. He told me he went to the city waste place with some old TV. Here he found, not only a new B&O TV (couple of years old), but a hole hifisystem, NAD with speakers and the lot. He's been back several times and almost hit gold every time. Now I wonder if you can do the same in other big cities around the world........or maybee the garbage men have second hand hifisales on the side in some towns? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi & Revox B 215 John, et al Brilliant! Harry James, eh .... nice stuff! I think one of my 78's is a Harry James. My record collection is very catholic - a wide variety of vinyl, CDs and quite a few 78s, too, not to mention a lot of cassettes. Even got a very few DATs but nothing to play them on until either Stephen can find a fix for the D3 that's cheaper than buying one or the PCM-2500 turns up (in good order, I hope!) At least half the vinyl collection are cracking classical recordings, huge because I bought the collection of a deceased record collector for silly money and also because someone dumped, yes dumped, about 140 superb classical records at the waste site in spotless sleeves, which I spotted when I was dumping some of my garden waste at the same place. We're talking Deutsche Gramophone, Red Label, etc. All good stuff. They went straight into the boot of my car and directly home. I tend record either off the radio (usually BBC Radio 3 or one of the BBC Radio 2 concerts), from borrowed LPs/CDs and often from my own collection, esp. the more special, unreplaceable records, which I preserve by putting them to tape and using the dub to listen to instead of the vinyl. A lot of others are also put to tape for the car cassette machine (upon which they are wasted because a) the cassette machine is rubbish (one of those Ford Motors badged radio cassettes) and b) the car ain't so quiet that you can tell much difference between a bad recording and a good one! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 December 2001 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi & ReVox B 215 Graham I'll get one your way if you can figure 48hrs. into Stephens busy days! He does excellent work and as we all know that's very time consuming. I'm about to dub some cassettes to DAT tape. I already copied my Nakamichi (that magic word) TDK Metal Dolby C cassette of James Newton Howard's to DAT before selling it to Carlos. I found another forgotten Harry James Big Band Nakamichi cassette that will also need dubbing. The Sony PCM-2500 DAT machine loves a challenge and just sucks up everything that cassettes feed it. I'm very new to the DAT world, wishing I had found it earlier but think now that with prices of some DAT machines on ebay that it's liking grabbing stock on a slumped market. Like most items on ebay you must be careful, ask the seller questions and wait, sometimes weeks before something excellent and cheap appears that isn't over bid at. I got the PCM-2500 for $200 a machine that in its day cost supposedly $3800. The only problem so far was that the loading tray would not open and close without pulling or pushing it. With Stephens advice we removed the side panels, top cover and wiped hardened lubricant from the carriage rails, applied a very little Radio Shack Teflon Grease and she immediately starting working just like new. With Stephens knowledge and advice this turned out to be a 5 min. repair. So Graham if your DAT loading tray stutters you have the fix. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 02:17:29 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 02:17:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001501c18049$2f9757a0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001f01c1804f$45743560$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> She's not goin' to accept the headphones and she the one who throws away stuff that hasn't been used for 3 months- just because it litters the living room a little. Think about that! Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole That's okay - I have headphones. Put her in touch with me! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 11:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Graham yeah, her name is Jane. But she talks all the time !!-) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole You must have a very tolerant wife - does she have a similar sister?! ;o) Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 02:31:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:31:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Remote Control website Message-ID: <80.146d5fee.294418d9@aol.com> Hi, What was the URL for that remote control website? I tried www.remotecontrol.com and that didn't work. I'm searching for the remote control codes for a Yamaha R-9 receiver. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 02:53:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:53:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <6b.1f061678.29441e11@aol.com> Hi All, For those of you interested, this weekend I disposed of 200 - 300 cassette I had made since 1986. Unfortunately, they have been in a box in my storage area and the majority were water damaged. I was able to keep a handful that still sound wonderful. Interestingly, they are all Maxell XL-IIs(two UD-90s) with the exception of one TDK SA-90 and MA-XG. The Maxell XL-II used were the gold and black ones. Actually, I had forgotten about many of these recordings and I found the all black XL-IIs featuring the very small, oval-shaped window to be the very best built cassettes I've ever seen. Incredibly smooth, almost whisper transport, heavy black plastic shell with screws, and of course made in Japan. If I were able to "roll" my own cassette tape, I would have kept those shells as they were THAT sturdy. Even after 15 years, the actual cassette looked new despite water damage and being dragged halfway around the world. I was even able to peel the old labels off without leaving any residue. A GREAT cassette shell. I also thought you would find this interesting...there were several cassettes I had used that no longer exist. I was curious if anyone on this list has used them, particularly with their Nak; and what results did you discover. Ranks HD-X II >From what I recall, very cheap cassette. Almost an identical replica of the Maxell XL-II's of that day. The recording wasn't water damaged, but simply aged. I don't remember anything spectacular about these cassettes. TDK SD 90 Another type II formula, IMHO not as good as the SA 90 formulation. Sony HF 60 & UX 100 Surprisingly, the Sony's I've used in the past have all performed well. I have a UX-Pro recording that still sounds wonderful today. TDK AD/AD-X 90 I've never been crazy about type I cassettes, and as I recall I only purchased these as they were either on sale or something. I would have liked to try the AD-X on the CR-7 as that seemed to be a nice type I formulation in its heyday. Denon H6 6/100 - Don't remember much, but I don't recall these being that great. BASF CR-E II - Surprisingly, I had many recordings on these cassettes. I recall they were inexpensive, even at PX-discounted prices when compared to Maxell and TDK. When they were new, they featured a unique formulation that helped eliminate background noise and no Dolby was needed. I would imagine that had I been using a deck that I could tweak the bias settings (I only had my BX-150 at this time) that this cassette may have performed better. Maxell UR -90 These cassettes also survived and sound wonderful years later. I kept a few, but I don't recall why I purchased these over the XL-II. So, any thoughts on these formulations, the aging of my recordings, and why some of the oldest Maxells sound wonderful 15+ years later? For my digital-domain buddies on this list: I have a wonderful recording of two Luther Vandross album's made using a new BX-150 on one of those very old gold/black Maxell XL-IIs. I don't remember my friends turntable and cartridge, but it sounds great! There's something special about that recording that is missing from the best CD's of our time. Maybe you have to hear it to appreciate it, but I have many wonderful CD's and they don't sound like this. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Dec 9 05:39:50 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:39:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C12EB15.252412F0@snet.net> While I'm sometimes blown away by having 90 or so e-mails loading into my in box at night, I'd still have to say that the one thing that I enjoy most about this list is the diversity and respect that members show each other in general. There is a sense of friendship that is so utterly lacking in any other news group I've seen. In fact differing opinions on most sites I've seen typically fast tracks to pointless and offensive name calling. In the end, regardless of topic, I've either very much enjoyed the discussion or hit delete if not interested. Maybe someday a scientific study will prove that Nak owners showed tendencies toward maturity and respect and we'll see that all of the topics we cover really were Nak related! Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by > all on this list. > > Jim Volpatti > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > > > > >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > > > > >John > > > > I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do > > with Nakamichi cassette products? > > > > Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? > > > > Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other > > lists, don't they? > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Dec 9 05:59:32 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:59:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C12EFB2.ADB9E5F2@snet.net> I've lost touch with the theory, but you may be onto something there. Because the ribbon is di-polar, one could serve as the side wave mic while another serves as a front to back. Who knows, you might matrix it and come up with something like circle sound with full front to back imaging as well! Ed ole thofte wrote: > JimI did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS > technique? I found this on the net:"M-S stands for Mid-Side. It > describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct > and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is > that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can > also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill > effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be > a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure > if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular > in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for > music recording with very good results."How do you do MS and how many > mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers > in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be > impossible. Ho!Ole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Volpatti > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo > recordings too. Managing a MS mic configuration would be > prove difficult though! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > > > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use > > > of these fine machines. And topics related to this. > > > Personally I've mostly recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at > > > the local library. I've missed a microphone input in the > > > Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too > > > expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had > > > a mic input of high sensitivity: among other things I > > > made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la > > > Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was > > > happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The > > > noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather > > > lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent > > > microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder > > > and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as > > > long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 9 06:05:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:35:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <00fb01c1806f$2c0477a0$42d60192@vsnl> I fully agree with Ed on friendship as well as respect that we show to others in this group. The reason for not objecting to other topics is a show of maturity as well as tolerance which will make our world a peaceful one as opposed to the fighting that we see everywhere - the only reason for this I believe is intolerance. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic >While I'm sometimes blown away by having 90 or so e-mails loading into my in box at >night, I'd still have to say that the one thing that I enjoy most about this list is the >diversity and respect that members show each other in general. There is a sense of >friendship that is so utterly lacking in any other news group I've seen. In fact >differing opinions on most sites I've seen typically fast tracks to pointless and >offensive name calling. In the end, regardless of topic, I've either very much enjoyed >the discussion or hit delete if not interested. Maybe someday a scientific study will >prove that Nak owners showed tendencies toward maturity and respect and we'll see that >all of the topics we cover really were Nak related! > >Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Dec 9 06:11:40 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:41:40 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Why hasn't anybody bought this yet? Message-ID: <010401c1806f$fca0b400$42d60192@vsnl> I find strangely two more buy it now items ( nak decks ofcourse ) with strange figures RX303(http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307705117) Buy It Now $625 RX505 (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307789093 ) Buy It Now $390 I think somebody can grab this RX505 Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, December 09, 2001 5:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Why hasn't anybody bought this yet? >Spotted this great looking 682ZX last night, and am really perplexed at how >nobody has gone for the quite good "buyitnow" price: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307575918 >It'll probably get bid up past the reserve, making the buy option disappear, >and will then go well over the $425 buy price. Weird. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 06:39:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:39:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Why hasn't anybody bought this yet? Message-ID: <13c.5e30649.29445312@aol.com> In a message dated 12/8/2001 11:36:42 PM Central Standard Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << RX505 (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307789093 ) Buy It Now $390 I think somebody can grab this RX505 Kannan >> Hi All, I know we've discussed the RX-505 vs. the Dragon before, but I would like to ask this group's collective wisdom regarding the RX-505 sound performance in recording. I understand this is a wonderful performer and its owners seem to truly enjoy them, yet they are never mentioned with the ZXL/ZXE and CR's. Does anyone on this list own a RX-505? If yes, how would you rate it sound and recording capabilities? And, would you own another? Curious as I always admired these along with the Dragon. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 06:42:30 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:42:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C12F9C5.90391665@earthlink.net> Two mics, placed in very close proximity. One omni, one bi-directional, 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Since your Apogees are dipolar, not bipolar or omni-directional, it wouldn't really work. Even if the polar response of the two speakers were correct for this technique you still wouldn't be able to get them close enough to each other for correct phase cancellation. For more information, do a web search on "stereo microphone recording techniques" and see what you find. Good luck! = ) Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > JimI did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS > technique? I found this on the net:"M-S stands for Mid-Side. It > describes the technique whereby you use two mics to capture the direct > and ambient signal of a sound source. The beauty of this technique is > that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a later date. You can > also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or no ill > effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can be > a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure > if the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular > in filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for > music recording with very good results."How do you do MS and how many > mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have quite a few ribbon speakers > in the basement which were discarded experiments. It might not be > impossible. Ho!Ole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Volpatti > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo > recordings too. Managing a MS mic configuration would be > prove difficult though! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > > > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use > > > of these fine machines. And topics related to this. > > > Personally I've mostly recorded LP's and CD's borrowed at > > > the local library. I've missed a microphone input in the > > > Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too > > > expensive. At one time I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had > > > a mic input of high sensitivity: among other things I > > > made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la > > > Apogee) as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was > > > happening in the room through your loudspeaker! The > > > noiselevel was high but you could hear everything rather > > > lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent > > > microphone (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder > > > and a cheap but OK microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as > > > long as you don't get hit by lightning.Ole > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 06:47:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:47:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that customers want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer I would then actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That way I won't have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have no room for. Is this correct? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, royalties > for the idea!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > accept, > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > ole thofte > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > Hi Jim, > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this > way > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > themselves. > > That's OK I think. > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and > who > > could help each other. > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > Ole > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 9 06:50:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:50:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <01cf01c18075$598e1fe0$413442cf@sank1> M-S recordings give a very solid center image, coupled with a great ability to get the sound of the room/hall used. Traditionally used for orchestral & other classical music performances, but it's been finding lots of other applications in the last few years. Drum overhead miking is one example. Your idea for a homebrew ribbon mic is rather similar to the Fostex "printed ribbon mic", which is more accurately a planar-magnetic mic, the inverse of a Magnepan speaker. It's not a very good mic. The trouble with your idea is the inverse of the vertical off-axis response problems of any ribbon or planar speaker. The longer and/or wider the ribbon, the more phase-cancellation effects you have at higher frequencies, due to the delay in time caused by the difference in distance between areas of the ribbon & the source. So, the larger the ribbon, the narrower the focus of good frequency range. This is why a mic like the RCA 44-BX, with a 0.2" x 2.75" ribbon has a much more limited treble response than, for example, a BK-5, with it's 0.052" x 1" ribbon(and beyond 20kHz response). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > Hi Stephen > that sound a bit cpmplicated. I need to work on it. But I would like to give > it a try. How do the recordings benefit? > Another thing DIY ribbon mike: in my experience it's real simple to make a > ribbon tweeter that works with some magents and some kitchen aluminium foil > cut in 2-10 mm ribbons. How about a diy ribbon mike. With 10 mym alufoil the > resistance of 3 mm ribbons is about 1 Ohm a meter (I use angelhair for > christmastrees. This is the only use that makes any sense!). If I tape these > ribbons to a plastic foil base say 1 inch wide and 1 foot long theres room > for say 8 ribbons making it a diaphragm with 8 x 1/3 Ohm is almost 3 Ohms > resistance. Place this diaph. in a system of powerfull magnets. I have a lot > of the same magnets used by Apogee. Imagine a box with 3 rows of 8 magnets > on each side and 1,5 inches apart. The diphr. in the middle and return > cables to each indivual ribbon of 3 mm. Do you picture this - I wish it was > possible to upload drawings to this list.3 Ohms resistance, but I wonder > about the strength of the signal from this 1 foot tall mike and how the > tonal balance would be. Maybe you have to add more magnets. It's got to be > heavy. > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > > My good friend Wes Dooley has extensive info about M-S stereo recording on > > his AEA website, wesdooley.com. > > In brief, M-S, properly done, requires one bipolar mic(figure-8 pattern) & > > one cardioid or unidirectional mic. The bipolar is oriented sideways, > > facing right or left, and the cardioid is pointed forwards, in as close > > proximity as possible to the bipolar. My ideal M-S mic setup is an RCA > BK-5 > > uni ribbon mic with an RCA BK-11(my dad's creation) bipolar ribbon mic. > > The tricky part of M-S is the preamp/mixer. One channel of the stereo > > pattern is cardioid summed together with the bipolar, in phase with > > eachother. The other channel is the cardiod summed with the INVERTED > phase > > bipolar mic signal. So, you either need a mixer that has the ability to > > send one in phase & one inverted phase signal simultaneously, or, on the > > simpler approach, use three channels of mixer/preamp, splitting the > bipolar > > output to two channels. You then feed the bipolar's second channel feed > > with the balanced line input wiring reversed(i.e., with pin 3 of XLR plug > > getting the + wire, instead of pin 2). You then send each of these > channels > > into the separate stereo channels, then feed the cardioid channel equally > > into both stereo channels, using the level control on each of the bipolar > > channels to control how much stereo effect is desired. > > The "cheap & dirty" way to do this is to use either a 500, 550, 350, 700 > or > > 1000 series Nak deck, or an MX100 3-ch Nak mic mixer. You then make a "Y > > cable" for the bipolar mic- one female XLR to two male XLR, with one of > the > > male plugs wired out of phase. You then plug the mic lines into the 1/4" > > unbalanced mic inputs on the Nak unit with Shure A-95 or equivalent > XLR-1/4" > > balanced-to-unbalanced inline transformer adaptors. Then, you just use > the > > left, right & blend mic level pots to mix your stereo recording feed. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ole thofte" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > > > > Jim > > I did stereorecording with my ribbons........ but what is MS technique? I > > found this on the net: > > "M-S stands for Mid-Side. It describes the technique whereby you use two > > mics to capture the direct and ambient signal of a sound source. The > beauty > > of this technique is that you can mix the ambient vs. direct mix at a > later > > date. You can also fold the stereo signal down to mono with very little or > > no ill effect. As you'll see later, the effects of phase cancellation can > be > > a real problem when recording in stereo, especially if you're not sure if > > the signal will end up in mono, for this reason M-S is very popular in > > filmsound applications. However, you can also use the technique for music > > recording with very good results." > > How do you do MS and how many mikes do you need? 2 for each side? I have > > quite a few ribbon speakers in the basement which were discarded > > experiments. It might not be impossible. Ho! > > Ole > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Volpatti > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > > > > Hey, those Apogees would make for interesting stereo recordings too. > > Managing a MS mic configuration would be prove difficult though! LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > ole thofte wrote: > > > > Hi allA topic I've missed on Nak-talk is: the actual use of these > fine > > machines. And topics related to this. Personally I've mostly recorded LP's > > and CD's borrowed at the local library. I've missed a microphone input in > > the Nak. and found the extra Nakamichi equipment too expensive. At one > time > > I owned a Nakamichi 1000 which had a mic input of high sensitivity: among > > other things I made recordings using my homemade ribbonspeaker (a la > Apogee) > > as mike. It was really spooky hearing what was happening in the room > through > > your loudspeaker! The noiselevel was high but you could hear everything > > rather lifelike.For my CR7 I finally ended up with a decent microphone > > (Electret) which was meant for a videorecorder and a cheap but OK > > microphoneamp: total 50$. Thats OK as long as you don't get hit by > > lightning.Ole > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 06:56:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:56:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3c16d20e.8594363@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11DBFD.34D61E14@earthlink.net> <3c19df25.11946303@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11E4C6.EBECAAC6@earthlink.net> <3C12970F.64D631E8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C12FD19.834AE6BC@earthlink.net> Well, when the CEO and chairman of a corporation has enough money to pay off the national debt, what else is Washington DC to do but bend over? Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > LOL... This has really gone totally OT... > > To return to our original OT subject, I noted 3 letters > to the editor in the recent (just delivered) PC Mag. Two > readers were berating WinXP for refusing to run some > main stream applications (including Microsoft's own Works), > lack of drivers for common sound boards such as soundBlaster > no less) and Microsoft's use of customers as (belated) beta > testers. It's all very funny. What else do people expect > from > a monopoly? > > The third letter complained about Microsoft's new Money > revision, that has become a 'veritable billboard' for > Microsoft's MSN service. This complaint is even funnier. > What else do people expect from a monopoly? > > There was also a short news item in the same issue. The > DOJ anti trust case against Microsoft has ended. > Microsoft has made some concessions and the will remain > a monopoly -- from now on, under the auspices of the > government. Somehow, this isn't quite as funny. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Dec 9 06:53:24 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:53:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Here Here! -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2001 3:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic While I'm sometimes blown away by having 90 or so e-mails loading into my in box at night, I'd still have to say that the one thing that I enjoy most about this list is the diversity and respect that members show each other in general. There is a sense of friendship that is so utterly lacking in any other news group I've seen. In fact differing opinions on most sites I've seen typically fast tracks to pointless and offensive name calling. In the end, regardless of topic, I've either very much enjoyed the discussion or hit delete if not interested. Maybe someday a scientific study will prove that Nak owners showed tendencies toward maturity and respect and we'll see that all of the topics we cover really were Nak related! Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by > all on this list. > > Jim Volpatti > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > > > > >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > > > > >John > > > > I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do > > with Nakamichi cassette products? > > > > Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? > > > > Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other > > lists, don't they? > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Dec 9 06:56:47 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:56:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, Send them to me please!!! I'm starting to collect cassettes from all over the world, some may call me nutty but that's ok with me. Please e-mail me directly so we can arrange this. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2001 12:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Hi All, For those of you interested, this weekend I disposed of 200 - 300 cassette I had made since 1986. Unfortunately, they have been in a box in my storage area and the majority were water damaged. I was able to keep a handful that still sound wonderful. Interestingly, they are all Maxell XL-IIs(two UD-90s) with the exception of one TDK SA-90 and MA-XG. The Maxell XL-II used were the gold and black ones. Actually, I had forgotten about many of these recordings and I found the all black XL-IIs featuring the very small, oval-shaped window to be the very best built cassettes I've ever seen. Incredibly smooth, almost whisper transport, heavy black plastic shell with screws, and of course made in Japan. If I were able to "roll" my own cassette tape, I would have kept those shells as they were THAT sturdy. Even after 15 years, the actual cassette looked new despite water damage and being dragged halfway around the world. I was even able to peel the old labels off without leaving any residue. A GREAT cassette shell. I also thought you would find this interesting...there were several cassettes I had used that no longer exist. I was curious if anyone on this list has used them, particularly with their Nak; and what results did you discover. Ranks HD-X II >From what I recall, very cheap cassette. Almost an identical replica of the Maxell XL-II's of that day. The recording wasn't water damaged, but simply aged. I don't remember anything spectacular about these cassettes. TDK SD 90 Another type II formula, IMHO not as good as the SA 90 formulation. Sony HF 60 & UX 100 Surprisingly, the Sony's I've used in the past have all performed well. I have a UX-Pro recording that still sounds wonderful today. TDK AD/AD-X 90 I've never been crazy about type I cassettes, and as I recall I only purchased these as they were either on sale or something. I would have liked to try the AD-X on the CR-7 as that seemed to be a nice type I formulation in its heyday. Denon H6 6/100 - Don't remember much, but I don't recall these being that great. BASF CR-E II - Surprisingly, I had many recordings on these cassettes. I recall they were inexpensive, even at PX-discounted prices when compared to Maxell and TDK. When they were new, they featured a unique formulation that helped eliminate background noise and no Dolby was needed. I would imagine that had I been using a deck that I could tweak the bias settings (I only had my BX-150 at this time) that this cassette may have performed better. Maxell UR -90 These cassettes also survived and sound wonderful years later. I kept a few, but I don't recall why I purchased these over the XL-II. So, any thoughts on these formulations, the aging of my recordings, and why some of the oldest Maxells sound wonderful 15+ years later? For my digital-domain buddies on this list: I have a wonderful recording of two Luther Vandross album's made using a new BX-150 on one of those very old gold/black Maxell XL-IIs. I don't remember my friends turntable and cartridge, but it sounds great! There's something special about that recording that is missing from the best CD's of our time. Maybe you have to hear it to appreciate it, but I have many wonderful CD's and they don't sound like this. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The reason for not objecting to other topics is a show > of maturity as well as tolerance which will make our world a peaceful one as > opposed to the fighting that we see everywhere - the only reason for this I > believe is intolerance. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > > >While I'm sometimes blown away by having 90 or so e-mails loading into my > in box at > >night, I'd still have to say that the one thing that I enjoy most about > this list is the > >diversity and respect that members show each other in general. There is a > sense of > >friendship that is so utterly lacking in any other news group I've seen. In > fact > >differing opinions on most sites I've seen typically fast tracks to > pointless and > >offensive name calling. In the end, regardless of topic, I've either very > much enjoyed > >the discussion or hit delete if not interested. Maybe someday a scientific > study will > >prove that Nak owners showed tendencies toward maturity and respect and > we'll see that > >all of the topics we cover really were Nak related! > > > >Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sun Dec 9 07:14:02 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 06:14:02 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic In-Reply-To: <008f01c18016$5c9e5240$73289bca@smarzuki> References: <3c1ae07a.12287748@mail.voicenet.com> <008f01c18016$5c9e5240$73289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3c130079.4664199@mail.voicenet.com> On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:21:26 +0700, "Salim Marzuki" wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FabFourFan" > > >Mike, hope you're not grouchy because of George's death (can't find more >polite word). > >Salim SM Now that you mention it, with George just gone, and today being Dec 8, the darkness has deepened, yes. But it will pass, God willing. Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 07:17:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:17:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <3e.15ceb1d8.29445c07@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/2001 12:03:58 AM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, Send them to me please!!! I'm starting to collect cassettes from all over the world, some may call me nutty but that's ok with me. Please e-mail me directly so we can arrange this. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- >> Hi Tom, I'm sorry but they're all gone. 90% of them were damaged and unplayable. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 07:34:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:34:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - wasn't someone looking for a big Sansui Receiver Message-ID: <181.6f1e86.29445feb@aol.com> Here's a 90 wpc model for sale on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304073761 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 9 07:36:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:36:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Another big Sansui for sale Message-ID: <186.26a0ac.29446060@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305362696 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 09:46:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:46:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <001f01c1804f$45743560$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <002e01c1808d$f6c16ca0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Damn! Any cousins? G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 09 December 2001 01:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? She's not goin' to accept the headphones and she the one who throws away stuff that hasn't been used for 3 months- just because it litters the living room a little. Think about that! Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole That's okay - I have headphones. Put her in touch with me! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 08 December 2001 11:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Graham yeah, her name is Jane. But she talks all the time !!-) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? Ole You must have a very tolerant wife - does she have a similar sister?! ;o) Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 10:10:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:10:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers In-Reply-To: <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003b01c18091$496bcf60$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Jim That's one way of doing it. The other is simply you sell it for the minimum price the seller would accept, or more if possible, and take a commission, either a % or an agreed fixed fee and may be a 50-50 split of any profit you make above the minimum selling price.... to make it more interesting for you and your seller. Either way, you don't fork out ANY money at all but simply deduct your commission from the sale price when the sale is made. Thus, as you observe with the other method, you don't tie up your money (or the Bank's!) with used stock. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 09 December 2001 05:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that customers want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer I would then actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That way I won't have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have no room for. Is this correct? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, royalties > for the idea!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > accept, > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > ole thofte > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > Hi Jim, > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this > way > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > themselves. > > That's OK I think. > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and > who > > could help each other. > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > Ole > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 9 10:26:39 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 04:26:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <01cf01c18075$598e1fe0$413442cf@sank1> References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011209035139.0252be80@mail.verizon.net> >... So, the larger the ribbon, the narrower the focus of good >frequency range. This is why a mic like the RCA 44-BX, with >a 0.2" x 2.75" ribbon has a much more limited treble response >than, for example, a BK-5, with it's 0.052" x 1" ribbon(and >beyond 20kHz response). > >Stephen Sank I've got five of those BK5B's - they sound incredible on acoustic guitars, trumpets, woodwinds and reeds, cellos and upright bass - especially when put though an Ampex 350 preamp direct to the tracking deck. I used it for recording classical guitar and the sound coming from the monitors was so natural it was spooky. I remember reading an interview with Chet Atkins where he was asked which microphone he liked best for acoustic guitar. His answer was one good ribbon mic, not too close to the instrument. No argument here. On big band events, usually live shows in hotel ballrooms, they go on the reed section. RE-20's or the amazingly good Marshall MXL-2001 go on the bones and trumpets. An engineer at the recent AES show suggested that I try removing the windscreen for an even more extended and higher energy HF response. He said the screen material is pretty dense an really cuts down on the highs. Someone asked me what the difference was between the BK5A and the BK5B. I don't know, but I'm curious, myself. They must be very similar. The RCA spec sheet for the BK5B / MI11010-A shows a freq. response graph for the BK5A ! On axis, a broad 2dB plateau centered at 1.5 K then a 4 dB rise peaking at 6K, then a steady decline to 15K, the upper limit of the graph. 20K sounds a little optimistic but the HF response is considerably more extended than the DX-77. ________________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems NYC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 9 10:56:26 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:56:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote Message-ID: Ron, Thanks for your generous and kind offer. Please can you e-mail me all the stuff you mentioned? My e-mail address is: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Perhaps we should continue this offlist in view of the recent discussions? I have got a few other technical questions that I hope you can help me with regarding the remote. Thanks. Kelvin. >From: Ron >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 remote >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:06:22 -0500 > > >The Pronto TSU1000 and Marantz RC-5000 (as well as their >more expensive brothers the Pronto TSU2000 and Marantz >RC-5000i) each use a program that allows one to setup a >remote control configuration on a PC, save it as a 'CCF' >file, then download it into the remote. BTW, there is >also a Pronto Pro, with a color screen, that will set >you back a cool $1,000. > >I can send you a CCF file of my CR-7 'panel' (or, if >you wish, my complete CCF file that controls a dozen >devices in my system, including my HT room lighting). >You can open it with the Marantz SETUP program and >merge it with whatever other devices you wish to >control, then download it to your remote. > >The advantage of these remotes is that each 'button' >on the remote screen can transmit not just one, but a >series of up to 256 commands, to any of the devices in >the system. For example, My CR-7 panel includes ON and >OFF buttons. The CR-7 is plugged into an X-10 appliance >module that is controlled through these ON and OFF >buttons -- this provides me with power control that >the original CR-7 remote lacks. I also have a DIM TO >WATCH button, that switches off the TV ceiling light, >then turns on and dims each of the other six lights in >the room. Very handy. > >There are tons of information (as well as the above >programs, utilities, manuals, CCF files, etc.) that >you can download, on http://www.remotecentral.com/ > >-- Ron > > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > > Ron, I would be very grateful if you could provide me with that >information > > and any guidance as to how I can then program the codes into the >RC-5000. > > What is the address for the RemoteCentral website? Thanks. > > > > > > > >I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate > > >the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available > > >from Nakamichi and cost $85. > > > > > >If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz > > >RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into > > >it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web > > >site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file > > >for the CR-7. > > > > > >-- Ron >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 9 11:20:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:20:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011209035139.0252be80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <027901c1809b$3282be80$413442cf@sank1> The big ball windscreen for the BK-5 is lined with a fairly light material, with no real treble attenuation. The mic itself has the perforated plastic outer screen, then two more light cloth screens on perforated metal that comprise the blast filter(the BK-5 is rated to handle .38 caliber gunfire at 4ft accross it's axis), which also have low treble attenuation. So, I really don't think removing any of these will have much effect. The response curves published for the BK-5 & for RCA ribbon mics in general were "worst case on a Monday morning, with hung-over line workers" & so were very conservative. The BK-5 does go to beyond 20kHz not far from flat. The BK-11 has a similarly less than impressive published curve, yet is, in fact, nearly ruler flat from about 15Hz to 22kHz. So flat that the Camden & Princton lab guys would use a BK-11 for any outdoor measurement work that was too risky for the SPX-2 lab reference ribbon mic(the globe shaped thing on my mic restoration page). The only difference between the BK-5A & BK-5B is that one is marked "BK-5A" & the other is marked "BK-5B". It was strictly the bonehead marketing guys trying to stimulate sales. Just as there is no difference between a 44-B & the first decade or so of 44-BX's. My 1974 catalog lists the BK-5 as simply BK-5. No A or B. Sometimes letter changes did actually mean something. The 77DX has a higher flux magnet structure than the 77D, which is very different from the 77-C double ribbon, etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > >... So, the larger the ribbon, the narrower the focus of good > >frequency range. This is why a mic like the RCA 44-BX, with > >a 0.2" x 2.75" ribbon has a much more limited treble response > >than, for example, a BK-5, with it's 0.052" x 1" ribbon(and > >beyond 20kHz response). > > > >Stephen Sank > > I've got five of those BK5B's - they sound incredible on acoustic > guitars, trumpets, woodwinds and reeds, cellos and upright bass > - especially when put though an Ampex 350 preamp direct to the > tracking deck. I used it for recording classical guitar and the > sound coming from the monitors was so natural it was spooky. > I remember reading an interview with Chet Atkins where he was > asked which microphone he liked best for acoustic guitar. His > answer was one good ribbon mic, not too close to the instrument. > No argument here. On big band events, usually live shows in > hotel ballrooms, they go on the reed section. RE-20's or the > amazingly good Marshall MXL-2001 go on the bones and > trumpets. > > An engineer at the recent AES show suggested that I try removing > the windscreen for an even more extended and higher energy HF > response. He said the screen material is pretty dense an really > cuts down on the highs. > > Someone asked me what the difference was between the BK5A and > the BK5B. I don't know, but I'm curious, myself. They must be very > similar. The RCA spec sheet for the BK5B / MI11010-A shows a > freq. response graph for the BK5A ! On axis, a broad 2dB plateau > centered at 1.5 K then a 4 dB rise peaking at 6K, then a steady > decline to 15K, the upper limit of the graph. 20K sounds a little > optimistic but the HF response is considerably more extended > than the DX-77. > ________________ Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems NYC > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 11:24:31 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:24:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001701c1809b$b0e3f460$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Jim well, it wasn't my idea. I only wanted you to keep the list, not buy from the seller. Maybe you could examine the thing and give some kind af garantie for a fee. That would be usefull. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that customers > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer I would then > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That way I won't > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have no room for. > > Is this correct? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, royalties > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > accept, > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > ole thofte > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this > > way > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > themselves. > > > That's OK I think. > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and > > who > > > could help each other. > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > Ole > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 9 11:30:00 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:30:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Hi Sam, I currently have both the RX-505 and CR-7. There is not that much difference between them for recording, although the CR-7 is better and easier to setup and use. However, the RX-505 is the only 3 head Nak that can do a full 90 minutes (or more) recording non-stop and unattended, which is useful for recording radio programmes when you are out/busy! It also has a track search facility, always good for the kids. SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why hasn't anybody bought this yet? >Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:39:30 EST > >In a message dated 12/8/2001 11:36:42 PM Central Standard Time, >kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > ><< RX505 (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1307789093 >) > Buy It Now $390 > > I think somebody can grab this RX505 > Kannan >> > >Hi All, > >I know we've discussed the RX-505 vs. the Dragon before, but I would like >to >ask this group's collective wisdom regarding the RX-505 sound performance >in >recording. I understand this is a wonderful performer and its owners seem >to >truly enjoy them, yet they are never mentioned with the ZXL/ZXE and CR's. >Does anyone on this list own a RX-505? If yes, how would you rate it sound >and recording capabilities? And, would you own another? Curious as I >always >admired these along with the Dragon. > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 11:50:44 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:50:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <01cf01c18075$598e1fe0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001d01c1809f$5a58a9c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Stephen thank you, very interesting. I once disassembled a Fostex tweeter, which was a printed planar, so I get the idea. 1" is the wavelength of a 20 kHz tone, so that defines the length of the ribbon I guess - and it would be 3 dB down at 2 inches and 36 dB down at 12 inches. That's doesn't look so promising. What defines the width? How thick is the ribbon in microns ? I think you could fine that kind of foil in some capasitors. Thats a mighty flimsy little piece of foil. It must be easy to burn if handled incorrectly. So you have to have a transformer? And you have to avoid big clumsy hunks of magnet around the ribbon, then you could use some stronger type, rare earth I think it's called. Anyway it doesn't seem impossible to make a diy-ribbon-mike, does it? I guess I would accept a limit of 15 kHz. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > M-S recordings give a very solid center image, coupled with a great ability > to get the sound of the room/hall used. Traditionally used for orchestral & > other classical music performances, but it's been finding lots of other > applications in the last few years. Drum overhead miking is one example. > Your idea for a homebrew ribbon mic is rather similar to the Fostex "printed > ribbon mic", which is more accurately a planar-magnetic mic, the inverse of > a Magnepan speaker. It's not a very good mic. The trouble with your idea > is the inverse of the vertical off-axis response problems of any ribbon or > planar speaker. The longer and/or wider the ribbon, the more > phase-cancellation effects you have at higher frequencies, due to the delay > in time caused by the difference in distance between areas of the ribbon & > the source. So, the larger the ribbon, the narrower the focus of good > frequency range. This is why a mic like the RCA 44-BX, with a 0.2" x 2.75" > ribbon has a much more limited treble response than, for example, a BK-5, > with it's 0.052" x 1" ribbon(and beyond 20kHz response). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ole thofte" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? -------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Dec 9 12:03:53 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:03:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <001e01c18010$441f0440$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C126C44.A09A5270@earthlink.net> <003f01c18029$e021a3c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <00e901c18037$3f4aae20$413442cf@sank1> <003501c18043$c01bdc20$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011209035139.0252be80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003b01c180a1$30ba72e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> This reminds me there is a Finnish (Suomi) invention called EMFI (electro magnetic film) which is a plastic foil material capable of holding an electric field. Kind of like an electrostat without a power source. They are trying to make planar speakers of this material which is quite inexpensive to manifacture. So far they haven't come up with anything practical yet. But they have made a very fine guitar pickup I've seen on the net. If interested you can search the net for EMFI or emfi-net. This material would be good for mikes too I should think; probably similar to the ribbon? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > >... So, the larger the ribbon, the narrower the focus of good > >frequency range. This is why a mic like the RCA 44-BX, with > >a 0.2" x 2.75" ribbon has a much more limited treble response > >than, for example, a BK-5, with it's 0.052" x 1" ribbon(and > >beyond 20kHz response). > > > >Stephen Sank > > I've got five of those BK5B's - they sound incredible on acoustic > guitars, trumpets, woodwinds and reeds, cellos and upright bass > - especially when put though an Ampex 350 preamp direct to the > tracking deck. I used it for recording classical guitar and the > sound coming from the monitors was so natural it was spooky. > I remember reading an interview with Chet Atkins where he was > asked which microphone he liked best for acoustic guitar. His > answer was one good ribbon mic, not too close to the instrument. > No argument here. On big band events, usually live shows in > hotel ballrooms, they go on the reed section. RE-20's or the > amazingly good Marshall MXL-2001 go on the bones and > trumpets. > > An engineer at the recent AES show suggested that I try removing > the windscreen for an even more extended and higher energy HF > response. He said the screen material is pretty dense an really > cuts down on the highs. > > Someone asked me what the difference was between the BK5A and > the BK5B. I don't know, but I'm curious, myself. They must be very > similar. The RCA spec sheet for the BK5B / MI11010-A shows a > freq. response graph for the BK5A ! On axis, a broad 2dB plateau > centered at 1.5 K then a 4 dB rise peaking at 6K, then a steady > decline to 15K, the upper limit of the graph. 20K sounds a little > optimistic but the HF response is considerably more extended > than the DX-77. > ________________ Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems NYC > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 13:28:50 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:28:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003f01c180ad$0e9c33e0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> I hope not - this has been very interesting and potentially most useful - I'm keeping these posts. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: 09 December 2001 09:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 remote Ron, Thanks for your generous and kind offer. Please can you e-mail me all the stuff you mentioned? My e-mail address is: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Perhaps we should continue this offlist in view of the recent discussions? I have got a few other technical questions that I hope you can help me with regarding the remote. Thanks. Kelvin. >From: Ron >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 remote >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:06:22 -0500 > > >The Pronto TSU1000 and Marantz RC-5000 (as well as their >more expensive brothers the Pronto TSU2000 and Marantz >RC-5000i) each use a program that allows one to setup a >remote control configuration on a PC, save it as a 'CCF' >file, then download it into the remote. BTW, there is >also a Pronto Pro, with a color screen, that will set >you back a cool $1,000. > >I can send you a CCF file of my CR-7 'panel' (or, if >you wish, my complete CCF file that controls a dozen >devices in my system, including my HT room lighting). >You can open it with the Marantz SETUP program and >merge it with whatever other devices you wish to >control, then download it to your remote. > >The advantage of these remotes is that each 'button' >on the remote screen can transmit not just one, but a >series of up to 256 commands, to any of the devices in >the system. For example, My CR-7 panel includes ON and >OFF buttons. The CR-7 is plugged into an X-10 appliance >module that is controlled through these ON and OFF >buttons -- this provides me with power control that >the original CR-7 remote lacks. I also have a DIM TO >WATCH button, that switches off the TV ceiling light, >then turns on and dims each of the other six lights in >the room. Very handy. > >There are tons of information (as well as the above >programs, utilities, manuals, CCF files, etc.) that >you can download, on http://www.remotecentral.com/ > >-- Ron > > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > > Ron, I would be very grateful if you could provide me with that >information > > and any guidance as to how I can then program the codes into the >RC-5000. > > What is the address for the RemoteCentral website? Thanks. > > > > > > > >I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate > > >the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available > > >from Nakamichi and cost $85. > > > > > >If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz > > >RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into > > >it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web > > >site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file > > >for the CR-7. > > > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 13:35:25 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:35:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? OT In-Reply-To: <003b01c180a1$30ba72e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <004201c180ad$fa0f78a0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> I wonder if the THX (sic?) technology Mission are using to make flat speakers might be reversed for mic's too. (Anyone ever heard those speakers?) G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 09 December 2001 11:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? This reminds me there is a Finnish (Suomi) invention called EMFI (electro magnetic film) which is a plastic foil material capable of holding an electric field. Kind of like an electrostat without a power source. They are trying to make planar speakers of this material which is quite inexpensive to manifacture. So far they haven't come up with anything practical yet. But they have made a very fine guitar pickup I've seen on the net. If interested you can search the net for EMFI or emfi-net. This material would be good for mikes too I should think; probably similar to the ribbon? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 16:12:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:12:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <003b01c180a1$30ba72e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp that is separate from the pre-amp. It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close to the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between the power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be longer if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and speakers as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. What is the view of the assembled on this? Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued that it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if one of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically correct. But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone measurable, difference? What's the view on this, folks?? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 9 17:06:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:06:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 remote References: Message-ID: <3C138C18.477D053F@concentric.net> I will email to you a TAPE.CCF file, that contains the CR-7 Panel (I'll be happy to email to anyone that wants it. This is a 35KB file). This file was generated with the Marantz Setup program, set for 2MB memory, but I suspect it can also be opened with Philips' ProntoEdit. You can download either program from the Remote Central site mentioned below, along with their manuals. All IR codes are correct for the CR-7 (except for the ON and OFF buttons that send X-10 codes and the Tape-Mon button that sends a Tape Monitor command to my PreAmp). For those interested in my Tape remote layout, I am appending a JPG of the CR-7 panel. I will be more than happy to answer any questions. I think this is appropriate for this mail list. After all, we are talking about controlling the CR-7. -- Ron winnie pooh wrote: > > Ron, > > Thanks for your generous and kind offer. Please can you e-mail me all the > stuff you mentioned? My e-mail address is: > > winniepoohlove at hotmail.com > > Perhaps we should continue this offlist in view of the recent discussions? I > have got a few other technical questions that I hope you can help me with > regarding the remote. Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > >From: Ron > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 remote > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:06:22 -0500 > > > > > >The Pronto TSU1000 and Marantz RC-5000 (as well as their > >more expensive brothers the Pronto TSU2000 and Marantz > >RC-5000i) each use a program that allows one to setup a > >remote control configuration on a PC, save it as a 'CCF' > >file, then download it into the remote. BTW, there is > >also a Pronto Pro, with a color screen, that will set > >you back a cool $1,000. > > > >I can send you a CCF file of my CR-7 'panel' (or, if > >you wish, my complete CCF file that controls a dozen > >devices in my system, including my HT room lighting). > >You can open it with the Marantz SETUP program and > >merge it with whatever other devices you wish to > >control, then download it to your remote. > > > >The advantage of these remotes is that each 'button' > >on the remote screen can transmit not just one, but a > >series of up to 256 commands, to any of the devices in > >the system. For example, My CR-7 panel includes ON and > >OFF buttons. The CR-7 is plugged into an X-10 appliance > >module that is controlled through these ON and OFF > >buttons -- this provides me with power control that > >the original CR-7 remote lacks. I also have a DIM TO > >WATCH button, that switches off the TV ceiling light, > >then turns on and dims each of the other six lights in > >the room. Very handy. > > > >There are tons of information (as well as the above > >programs, utilities, manuals, CCF files, etc.) that > >you can download, on http://www.remotecentral.com/ > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > > > > Ron, I would be very grateful if you could provide me with that > >information > > > and any guidance as to how I can then program the codes into the > >RC-5000. > > > What is the address for the RemoteCentral website? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >I bought a CR-7 about 3 year ago. The owner couldn't locate > > > >the remote, so he bought a new one for me. It was available > > > >from Nakamichi and cost $85. > > > > > > > >If you have a universal remote such as the Pronto or Marantz > > > >RC-5000, it is an easy matter to program the CR-7 codes into > > > >it. The IR codes are available from the RemoteCentral web > > > >site, or, if you wish, I'll be happy to provide a CCF file > > > >for the CR-7. > > > > > > > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR-7Panel.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 13649 bytes Desc: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 9 17:46:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:46:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C139575.22CE5818@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the > Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers > that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers > must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp > that is separate from the pre-amp. > > It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should > keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close to > the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the > power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the > argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the > speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between the > power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the > contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be longer > if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and speakers > as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting > them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long > interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps > sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. > > What is the view of the assembled on this? >From a purely technical POV, interconnects should be kept as short as possible, while the speaker cable may be longer, if it's length is taken into account. The reason is that interconnects have a capacitance that, along with the output impedance of the driving device, forms a low pass filter. IOW, long interconnects can cause high frequency attenuation. (So, when there is no other choice and one is forced to use long interconnects, it's a good idea to select low capacitance cable. Unfortunately, it's difficult to find cable with much less than about 15 Pf/Ft.) OTOH, speaker cable should mainly exhibit low resistance (w.r.t the speaker lowest impedance), which is fairly easy to achieve by selecting an appropriate gauge for the cable. Capacitance is of low importance for most high quality amps. Inductance can be a consideration (only when excessive, which will occur only for very long cables (over, say, 50 to 100 ft. -- and then, can be minimized by choosing a twisted cable). > Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued that > it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if one > of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to > retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically correct. > But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone > measurable, difference? > > What's the view on this, folks?? Again, *purely* technical POV will dictate that this is hogwash. Unless the difference in cables lengths is HUMONGOUS, the introduced delay cannot be audible. To put this in perspective: let's say you move one speaker 2mm (That's 0.08") further away from the listener. This will introduce a delay far larger than making that speaker's cable much longer. Do you feel it will make an audible effect? As to other cables characteristics, provided the longer cable is adequate, then the shorter one will certainly be. But then, the purists will tell you that even cable that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has magical properties that impart authority to the bass, presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. I am sure that such cable should be matched in length to within 1/8 of an inch :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Dec 9 17:50:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:50:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Remote Control website References: <80.146d5fee.294418d9@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C13966D.70B9A2A@concentric.net> www.remotecentral.com Note spelling. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > What was the URL for that remote control website? I tried > www.remotecontrol.com and that didn't work. I'm searching for the remote > control codes for a Yamaha R-9 receiver. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 9 17:52:11 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:52:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic References: <3C10152A.A0ECF5C3@earthlink.net> <007f01c17f2c$4bd5b5b0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3c14b9f6.2425757@mail.voicenet.com> <3C11CA65.3A196550@earthlink.net> <3C12EB15.252412F0@snet.net> Message-ID: <005801c180d1$d91b74e0$0e756acf@johnrotten> Well put! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic > While I'm sometimes blown away by having 90 or so e-mails loading into my in box at > night, I'd still have to say that the one thing that I enjoy most about this list is the > diversity and respect that members show each other in general. There is a sense of > friendship that is so utterly lacking in any other news group I've seen. In fact > differing opinions on most sites I've seen typically fast tracks to pointless and > offensive name calling. In the end, regardless of topic, I've either very much enjoyed > the discussion or hit delete if not interested. Maybe someday a scientific study will > prove that Nak owners showed tendencies toward maturity and respect and we'll see that > all of the topics we cover really were Nak related! > > Ed > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Personally, I rather enjoy the diverse topics and the interesting opinions shared by > > all on this list. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > FabFourFan wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:36 -0500, > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > >XP is new so we hear lots of supposedly experts, who haven't yet seen it let > > > > > > >Sorry Nak. only people, this will hopefully be my last XP sermon! > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > I hope so. This is an interesting topic, but what does this have to do > > > with Nakamichi cassette products? > > > > > > Shouldn't this list stick with cassettes? > > > > > > Politics, economics, and pro/anti microsoft discussions belong on other > > > lists, don't they? > > > > > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 9 18:24:47 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:24:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> Jim I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I have a black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same company one of which is for sale. As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly has less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram (this only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and install new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses this everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. Hopefully this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make all USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner and Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that customers > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer I would then > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That way I won't > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have no room for. > > Is this correct? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, royalties > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > accept, > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it wouldn't > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > ole thofte > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and this > > way > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > themselves. > > > That's OK I think. > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of it. > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad the > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board through a > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to put it > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all do > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in this > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since it > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer was > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas and > > who > > > could help each other. > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > Ole > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 9 18:21:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:21:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <3C139575.22CE5818@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000301c180d5$f5bd5560$3aae87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks for your thoughts on this, Ron. Taking your comments on different speaker cable lengths to an example, would it be your view that a cable to speaker length of, let's say, 10' would not sound discernibly different from the other speaker at, say, 20'? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 December 2001 04:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Graham Nelson wrote: > > Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the > Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers > that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers > must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp > that is separate from the pre-amp. > > It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should > keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close to > the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the > power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the > argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the > speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between the > power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the > contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be longer > if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and speakers > as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting > them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long > interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps > sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. > > What is the view of the assembled on this? >From a purely technical POV, interconnects should be kept as short as possible, while the speaker cable may be longer, if it's length is taken into account. The reason is that interconnects have a capacitance that, along with the output impedance of the driving device, forms a low pass filter. IOW, long interconnects can cause high frequency attenuation. (So, when there is no other choice and one is forced to use long interconnects, it's a good idea to select low capacitance cable. Unfortunately, it's difficult to find cable with much less than about 15 Pf/Ft.) OTOH, speaker cable should mainly exhibit low resistance (w.r.t the speaker lowest impedance), which is fairly easy to achieve by selecting an appropriate gauge for the cable. Capacitance is of low importance for most high quality amps. Inductance can be a consideration (only when excessive, which will occur only for very long cables (over, say, 50 to 100 ft. -- and then, can be minimized by choosing a twisted cable). > Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued that > it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if one > of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to > retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically correct. > But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone > measurable, difference? > > What's the view on this, folks?? Again, *purely* technical POV will dictate that this is hogwash. Unless the difference in cables lengths is HUMONGOUS, the introduced delay cannot be audible. To put this in perspective: let's say you move one speaker 2mm (That's 0.08") further away from the listener. This will introduce a delay far larger than making that speaker's cable much longer. Do you feel it will make an audible effect? As to other cables characteristics, provided the longer cable is adequate, then the shorter one will certainly be. But then, the purists will tell you that even cable that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has magical properties that impart authority to the bass, presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. I am sure that such cable should be matched in length to within 1/8 of an inch :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 19:46:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:46:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <3C139575.22CE5818@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C13B175.80CD6DF5@earthlink.net> Sorry Ron, but I'm not taking the bait. LOL Jim Volpatti > But then, the purists will tell you that even cable > that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared > to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has > magical properties that impart authority to the bass, > presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along > with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. > I am sure that such cable should be matched in length > to within 1/8 of an inch :-). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 19:52:47 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:52:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who was interested in buying or selling one of these! Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards W2000. Good luck with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can be expensive! Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I have a > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same company > one of which is for sale. > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly has > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram (this > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and install > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses this > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. Hopefully > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make all > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner and > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that > customers > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer > I would then > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That > way I won't > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have > no room for. > > > > Is this correct? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > royalties > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > > accept, > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > wouldn't > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > ole thofte > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > this > > > way > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > themselves. > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of > it. > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad > the > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > through a > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to > put it > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all > do > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > this > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since > it > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer > was > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas > and > > > who > > > > could help each other. > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Dec 9 20:17:15 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:17:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Message-ID: <20011209.141801.-519687.2.josephj69@juno.com> Here's a related OT question: what was that formula you're supposed to use when choosing proper speaker wire gage? I'll need to connect a pair of JBL S38 speakers to an Adcom GFA-535 - cable length about 10 feet. What kind of Radio Shack cable should I buy? :) - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 9 21:01:48 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:01:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> Jim You just killed my confidence in your judgment. What is wrong with either of these units? Windows 2000 is excellent, certainly a big step up from Windows 98. No, we all live in US. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who was interested > in buying or selling one of these! > > Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards W2000. Good luck > with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can be expensive! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > Jim > > > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I have a > > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same company > > one of which is for sale. > > > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly has > > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram (this > > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and install > > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses this > > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. Hopefully > > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make all > > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner and > > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that > > customers > > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer > > I would then > > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That > > way I won't > > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have > > no room for. > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > > royalties > > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > > > accept, > > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > > wouldn't > > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > ole thofte > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > > this > > > > way > > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > > themselves. > > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of > > it. > > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad > > the > > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > > through a > > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to > > put it > > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all > > do > > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > > this > > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since > > it > > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer > > was > > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas > > and > > > > who > > > > > could help each other. > > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Dec 9 21:34:27 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:34:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1725 In-Reply-To: <200112092033.VAA23847@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:34 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1725 naktalk-digest Sunday, December 9 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1725 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:21:38 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Thanks for your thoughts on this, Ron. Taking your comments on different speaker cable lengths to an example, would it be your view that a cable to speaker length of, let's say, 10' would not sound discernibly different from the other speaker at, say, 20'? Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 December 2001 04:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Graham Nelson wrote: > > Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the > Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers > that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers > must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp > that is separate from the pre-amp. > > It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should > keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close to > the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the > power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the > argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the > speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between the > power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the > contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be longer > if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and speakers > as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting > them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long > interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps > sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. > > What is the view of the assembled on this? >From a purely technical POV, interconnects should be kept as short as possible, while the speaker cable may be longer, if it's length is taken into account. The reason is that interconnects have a capacitance that, along with the output impedance of the driving device, forms a low pass filter. IOW, long interconnects can cause high frequency attenuation. (So, when there is no other choice and one is forced to use long interconnects, it's a good idea to select low capacitance cable. Unfortunately, it's difficult to find cable with much less than about 15 Pf/Ft.) OTOH, speaker cable should mainly exhibit low resistance (w.r.t the speaker lowest impedance), which is fairly easy to achieve by selecting an appropriate gauge for the cable. Capacitance is of low importance for most high quality amps. Inductance can be a consideration (only when excessive, which will occur only for very long cables (over, say, 50 to 100 ft. -- and then, can be minimized by choosing a twisted cable). > Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued that > it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if one > of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to > retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically correct. > But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone > measurable, difference? > > What's the view on this, folks?? Again, *purely* technical POV will dictate that this is hogwash. Unless the difference in cables lengths is HUMONGOUS, the introduced delay cannot be audible. To put this in perspective: let's say you move one speaker 2mm (That's 0.08") further away from the listener. This will introduce a delay far larger than making that speaker's cable much longer. Do you feel it will make an audible effect? As to other cables characteristics, provided the longer cable is adequate, then the shorter one will certainly be. But then, the purists will tell you that even cable that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has magical properties that impart authority to the bass, presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. I am sure that such cable should be matched in length to within 1/8 of an inch :-). - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:46:13 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Sorry Ron, but I'm not taking the bait. LOL Jim Volpatti > But then, the purists will tell you that even cable > that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared > to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has > magical properties that impart authority to the bass, > presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along > with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. > I am sure that such cable should be matched in length > to within 1/8 of an inch :-). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Must be cooling off a bit...I have often considered purchasing the Apt/Holman pair...see them frequently on ebay. TomD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:52:47 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who was interested in buying or selling one of these! Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards W2000. Good luck with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can be expensive! Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I have a > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same company > one of which is for sale. > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly has > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram (this > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and install > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses this > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. Hopefully > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make all > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner and > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that > customers > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer > I would then > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That > way I won't > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have > no room for. > > > > Is this correct? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > royalties > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > > accept, > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > wouldn't > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > ole thofte > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > this > > > way > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > themselves. > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of > it. > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad > the > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > through a > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to > put it > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all > do > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > this > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since > it > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer > was > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas > and > > > who > > > > could help each other. > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:17:15 -0500 From: josephj69 at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Here's a related OT question: what was that formula you're supposed to use when choosing proper speaker wire gage? I'll need to connect a pair of JBL S38 speakers to an Adcom GFA-535 - cable length about 10 feet. What kind of Radio Shack cable should I buy? :) - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:01:48 -0500 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP Jim You just killed my confidence in your judgment. What is wrong with either of these units? Windows 2000 is excellent, certainly a big step up from Windows 98. No, we all live in US. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who was interested > in buying or selling one of these! > > Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards W2000. Good luck > with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can be expensive! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > Jim > > > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I have a > > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same company > > one of which is for sale. > > > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly has > > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram (this > > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and install > > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses this > > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. Hopefully > > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make all > > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner and > > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment that > > customers > > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a buyer > > I would then > > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. That > > way I won't > > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I have > > no room for. > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > > royalties > > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items you'd > > > > accept, > > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > > wouldn't > > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > ole thofte > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > > this > > > > way > > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > > themselves. > > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck of > > it. > > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have to ad > > the > > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > > through a > > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box to > > put it > > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not all > > do > > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > > this > > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free since > > it > > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with his > > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the dealer > > was > > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar ideas > > and > > > > who > > > > > could help each other. > > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1725 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Dec 9 21:39:21 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:39:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3C13CBF8.D36D1A@snet.net> I must agree here. While I will not argue that time has left the Apt/Holman as a dated design, they are still excellent sounding pieces that would require a good bit of money to better. It's great if we all have $1000 or so to spend on a pre and the same again for an amp, but I have not arrived in that place myself. For the less wealthy among us, I would not even hesitate to recommend the Apt pre... especially if you're still into vinyl. Ed "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim > > You just killed my confidence in your judgment. What is wrong with either of > these units? > > Windows 2000 is excellent, certainly a big step up from Windows 98. No, we > all live in US. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > > > Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who > was interested > > in buying or selling one of these! > > > > Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards > W2000. Good luck > > with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can > be expensive! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > Jim > > > > > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I > have a > > > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same > company > > > one of which is for sale. > > > > > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > > > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly > has > > > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > > > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram > (this > > > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and > install > > > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses > this > > > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. > Hopefully > > > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make > all > > > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner > and > > > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment > that > > > customers > > > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a > buyer > > > I would then > > > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. > That > > > way I won't > > > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I > have > > > no room for. > > > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > > > royalties > > > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items > you'd > > > > > accept, > > > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > > > wouldn't > > > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > ole thofte > > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > > > this > > > > > way > > > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck > of > > > it. > > > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have > to ad > > > the > > > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > > > through a > > > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box > to > > > put it > > > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not > all > > > do > > > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > > > this > > > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free > since > > > it > > > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with > his > > > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the > dealer > > > was > > > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar > ideas > > > and > > > > > who > > > > > > could help each other. > > > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 21:58:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:58:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3C13D066.1614DA25@earthlink.net> John, I wasn't suggesting that there is anything wrong with either of these units, just that they are not in demand. Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim > > You just killed my confidence in your judgment. What is wrong with either of > these units? > > Windows 2000 is excellent, certainly a big step up from Windows 98. No, we > all live in US. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > > > Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who > was interested > > in buying or selling one of these! > > > > Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards > W2000. Good luck > > with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can > be expensive! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > Jim > > > > > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I > have a > > > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same > company > > > one of which is for sale. > > > > > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > > > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly > has > > > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > > > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram > (this > > > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and > install > > > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses > this > > > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. > Hopefully > > > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make > all > > > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner > and > > > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment > that > > > customers > > > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a > buyer > > > I would then > > > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. > That > > > way I won't > > > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I > have > > > no room for. > > > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > > > royalties > > > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items > you'd > > > > > accept, > > > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > > > wouldn't > > > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > ole thofte > > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > > > this > > > > > way > > > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck > of > > > it. > > > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have > to ad > > > the > > > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > > > through a > > > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box > to > > > put it > > > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not > all > > > do > > > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > > > this > > > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free > since > > > it > > > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with > his > > > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the > dealer > > > was > > > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar > ideas > > > and > > > > > who > > > > > > could help each other. > > > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Dec 9 22:34:47 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:34:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Doh!!!! Thanks anyway Sam. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2001 5:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell In a message dated 12/9/2001 12:03:58 AM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, Send them to me please!!! I'm starting to collect cassettes from all over the world, some may call me nutty but that's ok with me. Please e-mail me directly so we can arrange this. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- >> Hi Tom, I'm sorry but they're all gone. 90% of them were damaged and unplayable. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 10 00:47:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:47:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <02d401c1810b$e9f119c0$413442cf@sank1> I can state a couple of reservations about the Apt amp & preamp. The power amp has about an eighty percent chance of having cracked solder connections on the output transistor sockets, unless already addressed, so any amp you get should be checked for this. Also, the opamp IC used as an inverter for bridge mode often goes bad, which yields a big thump and protection activation when bridging switch is engaged. On the Holman preamp, Tom made the unfortunate choice of putting the muting relay contacts in series with the output lines, leading to inevitable channel outs or intermits from contact oxidation. I always reconfigure the muting relay to act as a ground shorting shunt in mute mode, with no interruption of the signal path. Other than these issues, the Apt stuff is really very good. I have owned both the Holman preamp & the amp in the past, and often recommend either for excellent budget sound. Especially, as Ed said, for those wanting a superb phono stage, without using tubes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > Jim > > You just killed my confidence in your judgment. What is wrong with either of > these units? > > Windows 2000 is excellent, certainly a big step up from Windows 98. No, we > all live in US. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > > > > Apt/Holman?? Hell would probably freeze over before I found another who > was interested > > in buying or selling one of these! > > > > Thanks for the PC information. Personally, I'm leaning heavily towards > W2000. Good luck > > with your daughters PC! Those transatlantic tech support phone calls can > be expensive! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > Jim > > > > > > I would like an Apt/Holman Power Amp. cheap if you come across one. I > have a > > > black, with chrome rack mounts and regular gray pre-amp from same > company > > > one of which is for sale. > > > > > > As regards XP and Microsoft's anti-bootleg software checks. On Thursday > > > Dec.13th. Microsoft is releasing its first XP upgrade which supposedly > has > > > less strict system checking. We shall see. Over the Christmas break I'm > > > going to format my daughters Sony 600 MHz laptop, install 256 K.of Ram > (this > > > only cost $32 from www.crucial.com the other week), update bios and > install > > > new video drivers and see how everything ticks with XP on it. She uses > this > > > everyday at the Univ. of Delaware so I had better get it right. > Hopefully > > > this XP upgrade will include the new USB 2.0 upgrade which should make > all > > > USB accessories run much faster. I bought her an Epson 1250 USB Scanner > and > > > Canon X10 Digital camera for Christmas, again USB but don't tell her! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > If I understand you both correctly, I would keep a list of equipment > that > > > customers > > > > want to sell and prearrange a purchase price. Once I find another a > buyer > > > I would then > > > > actually buy the piece from the seller and then sell it to the buyer. > That > > > way I won't > > > > have to tie up my money in used inventory or display equipment that I > have > > > no room for. > > > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh, Jim - I forgot - that's 10% each for Ole and me on all sales, > > > royalties > > > > > for the idea!! ;o) > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 07:02 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > I agree, Graham. Interesting idea. = ) > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That's a mice idea, Jim - you could pick and choose what items > you'd > > > > > accept, > > > > > > to make your shop look good (i.e. the right kind of gear) and it > > > wouldn't > > > > > > cost to a Dime to carry this stock, save your time in selling it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > ole thofte > > > > > > Sent: 08 December 2001 04:01 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > some of the dealers here have lists of equipment in commission and > > > this > > > > > way > > > > > > help exchange between customers without having to pile up stuff > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > That's OK I think. > > > > > > At the moment I would like to try a digital amp just for the heck > of > > > it. > > > > > > Apogee has an evaluationboard 2x35 W priced around 200$.You have > to ad > > > the > > > > > > powersupply yourself. In this case I would like to buy the board > > > through a > > > > > > dealer and get some help with the powersupply and maybe some box > to > > > put it > > > > > > into, although I find high-tech stuff kind of roomdecorating (not > all > > > do > > > > > > that's for sure!). I would need some advise what I shouldn't do in > > > this > > > > > > case. I don't find that specific advise like this should be free > since > > > it > > > > > > might take quite some time. I know a guy who builds houses with > his > > > > > > customers at help-selfhelp prices. Also I would be nice if the > dealer > > > was > > > > > > "the center" for some of the guys in the area who had similar > ideas > > > and > > > > > who > > > > > > could help each other. > > > > > > Other than that I think you seem to drive a decent shop. > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 10 00:52:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:52:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> Personally, I definitely prefer to have long interconnects, assuming excellent cable, over long speaker cables. For one thing, high enough grade interconnects, among those I like, are cheaper than equally good speaker cables. For another, bass control suffers quickly with cable length. I prefer to stay under 12 feet for speaker cables. Whereas I have cables such as my favorite LAT's go 18 feet with no discernible degradation. As for the speaker cable length equality, I may have a neurosis about it, but I swear my imaging is thrown off when the two are not equal length. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the > Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers > that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers > must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp > that is separate from the pre-amp. > > It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should > keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close to > the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the > power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the > argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the > speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between the > power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the > contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be longer > if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and speakers > as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting > them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long > interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps > sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. > > What is the view of the assembled on this? > > Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued that > it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if one > of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to > retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically correct. > But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone > measurable, difference? > > What's the view on this, folks?? > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Dec 10 01:59:20 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:59:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? OT References: <004201c180ad$fa0f78a0$15b987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000d01c18115$e6eef1c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Graham Thanks! I have had some fun the last hour. I have a NXT loudspeaker for my PC (made by Juster real lousy sound, but it's flat as a piece paper). Now I've tried using it as mike input to the PC. And it worked, not hifi by far but audible and not really noisy even when I ran the speaker alone as mike. I then used the my small Monacor mikeamp and the noiselevel got better. I haven't tried using both speakers in a stereosetup though. I then normalized and saved the file as an MP3-file using Audiograbber. If you want to judge for yourself I can send you the file with the recording (280kB) to your private adress. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? OT > I wonder if the THX (sic?) technology Mission are using to make flat > speakers might be reversed for mic's too. (Anyone ever heard those > speakers?) > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 09 December 2001 11:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > This reminds me there is a Finnish (Suomi) invention called EMFI (electro > magnetic film) which is a plastic foil material capable of holding an > electric field. Kind of like an electrostat without a power source. They are > trying to make planar speakers of this material which is quite inexpensive > to manifacture. So far they haven't come up with anything practical yet. But > they have made a very fine guitar pickup I've seen on the net. If interested > you can search the net for EMFI or emfi-net. This material would be good for > mikes too I should think; probably similar to the ribbon? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 02:55:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:55:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> <02d401c1810b$e9f119c0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1415F6.449C9CC3@earthlink.net> Stephen, I was just curious if you are familiar with the Musical Design equipment, designed and manufactured by John Hillig. If so, what do you think of his preamp, amplifier, transport and DAC designs. in terms of reliability and performance? Thanks, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 03:03:49 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:03:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> I agree completely. Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance mismatches between the amp and preamp and that the preamp power supply is up to driving a long interconnect. I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very high quality. At 50', one must choose carefully. Like Ron said, capacitance can become an issue. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Personally, I definitely prefer to have long interconnects, assuming > excellent cable, over long speaker cables. For one thing, high enough grade > interconnects, among those I like, are cheaper than equally good speaker > cables. For another, bass control suffers quickly with cable length. I > prefer to stay under 12 feet for speaker cables. Whereas I have cables such > as my favorite LAT's go 18 feet with no discernible degradation. As for the > speaker cable length equality, I may have a neurosis about it, but I swear > my imaging is thrown off when the two are not equal length. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 10 03:39:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:39:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP References: <002601c18030$482a45c0$60ab87d9@a4s1s2> <3C12FAE4.6A79BC18@earthlink.net> <006d01c180d6$66ed9f10$0e756acf@johnrotten> <3C13B2FF.2CFAA1B6@earthlink.net> <003701c180ec$568616f0$14756acf@johnrotten> <02d401c1810b$e9f119c0$413442cf@sank1> <3C1415F6.449C9CC3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <032501c18123$e62e0a60$413442cf@sank1> I've no direct experience with that line. All I can say is that I have heard a few comments from people & none of them were positive comments about reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Apt/Holman & XP > Stephen, > > I was just curious if you are familiar with the Musical Design equipment, designed and > manufactured by John Hillig. If so, what do you think of his preamp, amplifier, > transport and DAC designs. in terms of reliability and performance? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 10 03:48:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:48:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <3C139575.22CE5818@concentric.net> <3C13B175.80CD6DF5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C142287.DEB04041@concentric.net> Shucks, Jim, must you always be such a spoilsport? :-) -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Sorry Ron, but I'm not taking the bait. LOL > > Jim Volpatti > > > But then, the purists will tell you that even cable > > that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared > > to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has > > magical properties that impart authority to the bass, > > presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along > > with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. > > I am sure that such cable should be matched in length > > to within 1/8 of an inch :-). > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 10 04:03:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:03:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <20011209.141801.-519687.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C1425F0.9F994024@concentric.net> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Here's a related OT question: what was that formula you're supposed to > use when choosing proper speaker wire gage? > > I'll need to connect a pair of JBL S38 speakers to an Adcom GFA-535 - > cable length about 10 feet. > > What kind of Radio Shack cable should I buy? :) > > - Joe The number one issue is cable resistance. The accepted rule of thumb (by technical people) is that the cable resistance be less than 1/100 of the minimum speaker impedance. The latter is often specified by the manufacturer; it is generally lower than the nominal speaker impedance (that is always provided and is kinda meaningless). Since the cost is minimal, I tend to overkill and would choose a cable with an appreciably lower resistance; say, 1/200 of the speaker minimum impedance. Once you know the speaker minimum impedance and the cable length you need, divide the former by the latter, then divide the result by 2, then divide the result again by 100 (or 200, if you wish to be holier than others). This gives you the maximum resistance per ft. of the cable you need. Consult a copper wire table to find the required gauge (this information is available on a couple of net sites). If your cable length is more than, say, 50 ft. opt for a twisted cable. In any case, choose OFC. There, you're done. As to RS -- I prefer H/W stores, such as Home Depot. They tend to have better selection at lower prices. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 10 04:19:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:19:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000301c180d5$f5bd5560$3aae87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1429B9.6A11516F@concentric.net> Assuming both cables are 'adequate', then no, no one can hear a difference between 10' and 20'. Not even a dog. Not even a young dog. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Thanks for your thoughts on this, Ron. > > Taking your comments on different speaker cable lengths to an example, would > it be your view that a cable to speaker length of, let's say, 10' would not > sound discernibly different from the other speaker at, say, 20'? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 09 December 2001 04:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Imagine if you will a room where the main part of the hi fi (including the > > Nak, to keep this on topic! <>) is some distance from the speakers > > that are sited to suit the seating arrangements .... Jim and other dealers > > must know this scenario well! The set up features at least one power amp > > that is separate from the pre-amp. > > > > It has been the perceived wisdom in UK circles at least, that one should > > keep the interconnects as short as possible, keeping the power amp close > to > > the pre-amp for this purpose, and dealing with the distance between the > > power amp and speakers with a stretch of speaker cable. Thus, goes the > > argument, if you have to have a log length of cable, it ought to be the > > speaker cable, not the interconnects, not least keeping it short between > the > > power and pre-amp. I have recently heard a hi fi journo' argue the > > contrary, that the interconnect between the power and pre-amp may be > longer > > if by doing so one can keep the distance between the power amp and > speakers > > as short as possible. So, for example, if one has two power amps, siting > > them beneath the speakers (off the stands, presumably!) and having a long > > interconnect to the pre-amp is better than having the pre- and power amps > > sat beside each other with long speaker cable to each speaker. > > > > What is the view of the assembled on this? > > >From a purely technical POV, interconnects should be > kept as short as possible, while the speaker cable may be > longer, if it's length is taken into account. > > The reason is that interconnects have a capacitance that, > along with the output impedance of the driving device, > forms a low pass filter. IOW, long interconnects can > cause high frequency attenuation. (So, when there is no > other choice and one is forced to use long interconnects, > it's a good idea to select low capacitance cable. > Unfortunately, it's difficult to find cable with much > less than about 15 Pf/Ft.) > > OTOH, speaker cable should mainly exhibit low resistance > (w.r.t the speaker lowest impedance), which is fairly easy > to achieve by selecting an appropriate gauge for the cable. > Capacitance is of low importance for most high quality > amps. Inductance can be a consideration (only when > excessive, which will occur only for very long cables > (over, say, 50 to 100 ft. -- and then, can be minimized > by choosing a twisted cable). > > > Also, where one has long speaker cable lengths, it has also been argued > that > > it is "essential" that each cable should be of identical length, even if > one > > of the speakers is sat much closer to the power amp than the other, to > > retain a balanced sound. One can imagine this being theoretically > correct. > > But are we of the view that it would really make an audible, let alone > > measurable, difference? > > > > What's the view on this, folks?? > > Again, *purely* technical POV will dictate that this > is hogwash. Unless the difference in cables lengths > is HUMONGOUS, the introduced delay cannot be audible. > > To put this in perspective: let's say you move one > speaker 2mm (That's 0.08") further away from the > listener. This will introduce a delay far larger > than making that speaker's cable much longer. Do > you feel it will make an audible effect? > > As to other cables characteristics, provided the > longer cable is adequate, then the shorter one will > certainly be. > > But then, the purists will tell you that even cable > that is technically adequate sounds like mud compared > to some XYZ cable. That's because the XYZ cable has > magical properties that impart authority to the bass, > presence to the mids and airyness to the treble, along > with general sonority and a wide and deep sound stage. > I am sure that such cable should be matched in length > to within 1/8 of an inch :-). > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Dec 10 04:44:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:44:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I agree completely. > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively higher than 10Kohms). > ... and that the preamp power supply is up to driving a > long interconnect. Also, that the preamp output stage is up to driving the long cable. > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > high quality. Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I thought I could easily tell the difference...). That said, There is still no question that longer speaker cables can be just as inaudible. -- Ron > At 50', one must choose carefully. Like Ron said, capacitance > can become an issue. > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Personally, I definitely prefer to have long interconnects, assuming > > excellent cable, over long speaker cables. For one thing, high enough grade > > interconnects, among those I like, are cheaper than equally good speaker > > cables. For another, bass control suffers quickly with cable length. I > > prefer to stay under 12 feet for speaker cables. Whereas I have cables such > > as my favorite LAT's go 18 feet with no discernible degradation. As for the > > speaker cable length equality, I may have a neurosis about it, but I swear > > my imaging is thrown off when the two are not equal length. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 05:47:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:47:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I agree completely. > > > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... > > I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output > impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and > definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input > impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively > higher than 10Kohms). Sorry for not being clear. By mismatch, I meant an amplifier input impedance divided by preamp output impedance which yields less than 10. > > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > > high quality. > > Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also > attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low > output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am > correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable > capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. All of my current preamps have an output impedance of 100 ohms or less. My amplifiers have a minimum rated input impedance of 47 Kohm. > Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, > comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, > then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal > never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck > and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to > traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill > thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high > output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was > that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could > hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I > thought I could easily tell the difference...). Makes me wonder what your preamp tape monitor input impedance was. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 06:09:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:09:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Thanks Winnie. May I ask you another question? Does the RX-505 reverse the cassette when the cassette has ended or at the first signs of the leader? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 06:16:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:16:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Remote Control website Message-ID: <15e.552ce72.29459f1f@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/2001 10:53:05 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << www.remotecentral.com Note spelling. -- Ron >> Thanks Ron. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 06:24:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:24:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <11.1f1da13d.2945a0f3@aol.com> In a message dated 12/9/2001 3:41:52 PM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Doh!!!! Thanks anyway Sam. Regards Tom Siomopoulos >> FWIW - if they weren't damaged, you could have had them my friend. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 06:36:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:36:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Message-ID: <11d.8b76103.2945a3e1@aol.com> Have you tried the Tuner Info page? I haven't looked, but there maybe some links there. http://www.geocities.com/tunerinfo/ -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 10 07:00:04 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:00:04 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you Sam, you are very kind to have offered. Best regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 4:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - old cassette recordings and Maxell In a message dated 12/9/2001 3:41:52 PM Central Standard Time, Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au writes: << Doh!!!! Thanks anyway Sam. Regards Tom Siomopoulos >> FWIW - if they weren't damaged, you could have had them my friend. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 10 07:06:22 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:06:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 10 07:35:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:35:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? OT In-Reply-To: <000d01c18115$e6eef1c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <000701c18144$df66cca0$ecad87d9@a4s1s2> Yes please - do send. You know the address. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 10 December 2001 12:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? OT Hi Graham Thanks! I have had some fun the last hour. I have a NXT loudspeaker for my PC (made by Juster real lousy sound, but it's flat as a piece paper). Now I've tried using it as mike input to the PC. And it worked, not hifi by far but audible and not really noisy even when I ran the speaker alone as mike. I then used the my small Monacor mikeamp and the noiselevel got better. I haven't tried using both speakers in a stereosetup though. I then normalized and saved the file as an MP3-file using Audiograbber. If you want to judge for yourself I can send you the file with the recording (280kB) to your private adress. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what do you record? OT > I wonder if the THX (sic?) technology Mission are using to make flat > speakers might be reversed for mic's too. (Anyone ever heard those > speakers?) > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 09 December 2001 11:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > This reminds me there is a Finnish (Suomi) invention called EMFI (electro > magnetic film) which is a plastic foil material capable of holding an > electric field. Kind of like an electrostat without a power source. They are > trying to make planar speakers of this material which is quite inexpensive > to manifacture. So far they haven't come up with anything practical yet. But > they have made a very fine guitar pickup I've seen on the net. If interested > you can search the net for EMFI or emfi-net. This material would be good for > mikes too I should think; probably similar to the ribbon? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 10 08:31:07 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:31:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Mike's '84 Dragon Message-ID: Hi Mike, That sounds a bit like those old ads for the '64 Thunderbird..... The ability of a Dragon to make any tape (automatically) sound as good it could possibly be make it a true collectors deck. That's one of the early ones...have you had that since new? Has the NAAC tuning ever given you any "uphill"? I use a Cassette Deck One (92 model) and a 682ZX (unboxed in '82). Both are wonderful machines in perfect shape. By the standards of this group, this is small potatoes. Some of them have huge collections, others have a single cherished CR7. But the love affair is still there. One of our members in Canada has a massive collection of the most desirable decks from other manufacturers including Nakamichi. The compilation albums I do from both LP and CD for myself has friends and family wanting copies for themselves. One friend bought his Yamaha CD recorder round to do some dubs from tape with which he is thrilled. However he thinks he ought to "upgrade" to a Nakamichi too!! Naturally I agreed. Cheers, Marc >>> FabFourFan at nme.com 12/08/01 11:52AM >>> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:34:10 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Mike, >I'm sure your point is well taken!!! What naks are you using presently, and any other decks for that matter? >Cheers, Marc Hey there, Marc. I use a Dragon (#15991, from 1984) which I had rebuilt at Nak in Torrance. I really need to save up a few hundred dollars and have Mr Sank make it right, and then I'll like it even more! What are you listening to these days? Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 10 09:29:43 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:29:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia: Tom Siomopoulos' Anthem: Long Live Nakamichi!! Message-ID: I couldn't agree more with all who have in mind to keep that glorius nak in tip-top shape. Actually, any of these beauts are worth the trouble and a few dollars, marks, francs or zlotys. They give so much back and every time you listen to it, it brings back the best moments in your life. Thats better than money, surely!! Marc >>> ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk 12/08/01 05:39PM >>> Thanks all, Thanks for the encouregement I've received, I'm definitely not going to discard the CR7. I'm just a "little long in the spit", as my wife used to say ( not so nicely, huh?) Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nostalgia I agree with Ron, No matter what or how long it takes, I strongly recommend getting the CR-7 repaired. This is one piece of equipment that should be given a second chance. Think about this, If you get rid of it and replace it with something else your mind will be thinking about the CR-7 all the time about how brilliant it made your recording, the way it looked, the fact it was a NAKAMICHI! I have an old 480 that doesn't want to play, it's not one of Nakamichi's finest but it still a Nakamichi, and I will not part with it. Someday I will get it going again and will thank myself that I didn't get rid of it. If there is no one around where you live that can repair it for you, send it to Stephen Sank for a service, I know that it will cost a lot in shipment but it will be worth it. I'm currently seeking a nostalgic Sansui receiver and will definitely pay the cost if I have to bring it back from America - (Australia just doesn't have the quantity and are vary scarce), but in the end I know it will be worth it. I hope I have not bored you with what I said, but I believe in keeping the past alive - long live Nakamichi cassette decks! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: ole thofte [mailto:ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 1:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nostalgia This is to the topic I think: I'm really missing my Nak CR7 that was so unjustly hit by lightning - by the way it was the first time I did a live recording : I was singing and my son played the piano. It was a homebrewed blues piece we called "the doctorman blues". Bang: no more taperecorder! What can you learn from that? We finished recording on the PC and burnt it to a cd, but it wasn't nearly quite the same. What I've come to realize is that the 700 tapes I've made on that Nak during 16 years represent almost all the changes I've made in my system: new preamp here, new recordplayer there, new pickuparm, new pick-up, new cables even. And I've always taken notes of the equipment I used at the time. Later on it was possible to recognize the sound of the equipment I used, compare and realize the development of my system. Sometimes I've taken "the tour": one tape representing each change I made and listening to this compressed soundological evidence. Needless to say my family thought I was going insane, but I'm certain I can hear the differences and am able to recall why I made the changes - not always for the better though. ps. I'm now playing the tapes on my Sony walkman and there's a lot of magic gone I can garantie. ole thofte ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 10:24:13 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:24:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Hi Sam, Looking at my machine, it reverses at the end of the cassette instead of the tape leader. I don't think the RX-505 has an optical sensor for the tape leader. Are you thinking of getting a RX-505 to complement your CR-7 and BX-150? Kelvin. >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:09:43 EST > >Thanks Winnie. May I ask you another question? Does the RX-505 reverse >the >cassette when the cassette has ended or at the first signs of the leader? > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Dec 10 10:25:39 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:25:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak-recorders talk, not write? Message-ID: <001001c1815c$a1c80860$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi all as new on this list I guess I should point to the obvious: we shouldn't send textmails but recordings made on our Nak-machines and processed to MP3. Am I right, or am I right? Ole ps later on we collect the mails, feed them back to the Naks and listen to the conversations at length on our hifisystems! Yeah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:36:03 2001 From: dlefebvre at northoxfordnet.co.uk (David Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:36:03 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BA9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: I remember the AU-101. It was current at the time I was looking at my first stereo system (early seventies), and got good reviews then. It cost about £40.00 UK if I recall correctly. I don't suppose that it would stack up very well now against modern amps. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 10 December 2001 06:06 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 10 12:37:41 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:37:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Message-ID: This was a cute little entry level integrated amp distributed in the 1970s when Sansui took hi-fi rather more seriously than they do now (they consider making money more seriously thesedays). What I find with this vintage amp is that the phono stages sound good compared with later designs and still sound better than entry level phono boxes do now - I referring to NAD and Project specifically. For the rest, the number of inputs may be a slight limiting factor. And, while avoiding the time-honoured debate that amps shouldn't have a sound of their own, I still think it will sound very good. Incidently, bearing in mind rack considerations or aesthetic matters, I don't think that it is a 43cm wide component. More like 38-40 cm. A local CD store has one of those AU 101 amplifiers powering some new Acoustic Energy Aegis 2s and it sounds very good. Quite gusty actually. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/10/01 08:06AM >>> Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:39:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner References: <00ea01c1811c$5c5de7d0$14756acf@johnrotten> <006701c18180$939be8f0$90021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003201c18188$89303da0$52756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Thank you Brian. I'll check them out. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tuner You can post questions to this forum. http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1&ctg&0&50& Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tuner Can anybody here point me to a good FM Tuner forum? Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Dec 10 16:47:37 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR problems Message-ID: <265A2440.1930CC61.026D48C1@netscape.net> Thank you, Salim, Though I will have to wait until it actually arrives at my place I'm happy we managed to win the auction. Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Dec 10 18:20:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:20:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR problems References: <265A2440.1930CC61.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000d01c181a1$48f63fa0$5f289bca@smarzuki> What a nice x-mas gift for you, Nick ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems > Thank you, Salim, > > Though I will have to wait until it actually arrives at my place I'm happy we managed to win the auction. > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Dec 10 18:58:57 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:58:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX problems References: <265A2440.1930CC61.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000e01c181a4$662b06c0$5f289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, Kannan and all, Through a nakfriend I finally be able to try Nak 1k track tape with mixed result - on bx and zx(5) the 1k right channel signal never completely fade away (on spectrum chart). There are 7 clicks between noticable 1k spikes, however, at exactly one notch from extreme left position I can have uniform minimum 1k left and right channel level. What is the better way to go ? In the middle of 7 clicks (logically correct) or at this minimum level (per manual's instruction) ? It's interesting that using traditional loudest 400hz level method I already had CR4 height spot on :-) Also there are 5-6 clicks 'tolerance' on this deck before any 1k signal got visible. What is the normal range (in clicks :-) of correct head height position ? Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Mon Dec 10 19:05:58 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:05:58 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Mike's '84 Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c15f73f.17901033@mail.voicenet.com> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:31:07 +0200, "Mark Hugo" wrote: >Hi Mike, > >... The ability of a Dragon to make any tape (automatically) sound as > good it could possibly be make it a true collectors deck. >... Have you had that since new? Has the NAAC tuning ever given you any "uphill"? Hello, Marc! I got the Dragon in 1998 and had it "rebuilt" in Torrance, CA, at Nak. I have a couple of cassettes that confuse the NAAC, but never in both directions, so I can say that it's never caused any trouble, actually it's been just wonderful! I really do need to have it Sank-tified, though, just on principle, to make it sound as good as it might. Soon, soon. Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Dec 10 19:17:33 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:17:33 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT posts References: <00f401c18000$fcfed900$0cef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Nakkers! Here is my opinion. As far as you going to delete most of the message youare replying to and not generate 50 kB long message - any OT is fine with me ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Dec 10 19:29:07 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:29:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Large diafragm condencers and ribbon, I guess? Right now I'm using Neumann U48 and three LOMO condencers (russan made for film industry, realyy great!) Will get some LOMO 19A19 (tube condencers) soon. (I've heard that Pink Floyd using 12 pieces of them...) And of course I'm using several ribbopns, all made by OKTAVA. Stephen, will send you a pics as soon as I'll have camera for it. And talking about mic preamps - I'm using home made tube preamp, with transformer input and output. Love this sound! I never need any of those modern boxes to make sound rich and warm :-) Misha >Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > >sheeeeesh!!! = ) > >Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 19:53:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:53:17 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <16c.561d2a7.29465e9d@aol.com> In a message dated 12/10/2001 3:26:35 AM Central Standard Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: << Hi Sam, Looking at my machine, it reverses at the end of the cassette instead of the tape leader. I don't think the RX-505 has an optical sensor for the tape leader. Are you thinking of getting a RX-505 to complement your CR-7 and BX-150? Kelvin. >> Hi Kelvin, I've always stared at with awe at the RX-505 and Dragon. And yes, I plan to eventually purchase another deck to compliment my CR-7. (My BX-150 is very old and doesn't have the playback performance for tape dubbing that I desire). There are on occassion (although becoming more rare each day it seems) that someone asks for a copy of a recording I've made. I would like the ability to simply dub it instead of recreating it every time. And again, from what I've learned the RX-505 owners seem very pleased with that machine. I'll keep you posted as the time for that purchase draws near. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 10 20:44:45 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:44:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable In-Reply-To: <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000801c181b3$1e6eee00$17b887d9@a4s1s2> Many thanks to all who have contributed to my question regarding cable lengths. I now have a similar question ...forgive me if this has been discussed before but, if it has, I can't find the postings! The question is this: Whilst appreciating there is some difference is the views of the Naklisters regarding analogue cables, can it really be true that some digital interconnect cables (which are all coaxial, aren't they?) can affect the sound quality given that the transmission between the CD and DAC are simply zeros and ones? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 10 21:01:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:01:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable Message-ID: To Graham's question regarding digital cables, I would like to "piggyback" and ask a larger question of this group. Like all of you, I enjoy our audio hobby. However, it seems that on the surface our hobby is very inefficient. Now, I understand the physics behind speaker box size and cone size, but it appears to me that here we are in the year 2001/2002, and yet we are still building 350 pound, 6/7/8-foot speakers, 150 pound amps, and using cable to connect these components taking up tremendous amounts of floor space. Given the advances in digital technologies, it would seem that we could produce a small, highly powerful, and "rich" sounding system using flat panel, wireless speakers and 1000 watts amps the size of a Nak BX-150 tape deck. So I am curious, and given the vast amounts of firsthand knowledge and experience within this group, what are your thoughts/opinions on the apparent lack of efficiency within our hobby? My main point is this: if we can put people into space using the space shuttle, and we have decoded the base codes of human DNA, then certainly we should be able to create the same sound that a McIntosh MC2000 Limited-Edition Tube amplifier, or Tannoy Canterbury or Kingdom speakers, in a small lightweight (relative to today's components), sturdy (tennis racquets and fishing rods even have boron and kevlar in them) small footprint system. Any thoughts? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 10 21:59:26 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:59:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BAB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you all for your feedback. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 10:38 To: naktalk at naks.com; Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. This was a cute little entry level integrated amp distributed in the 1970s when Sansui took hi-fi rather more seriously than they do now (they consider making money more seriously thesedays). What I find with this vintage amp is that the phono stages sound good compared with later designs and still sound better than entry level phono boxes do now - I referring to NAD and Project specifically. For the rest, the number of inputs may be a slight limiting factor. And, while avoiding the time-honoured debate that amps shouldn't have a sound of their own, I still think it will sound very good. Incidently, bearing in mind rack considerations or aesthetic matters, I don't think that it is a 43cm wide component. More like 38-40 cm. A local CD store has one of those AU 101 amplifiers powering some new Acoustic Energy Aegis 2s and it sounds very good. Quite gusty actually. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/10/01 08:06AM >>> Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 23:02:42 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:02:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Sam, I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's sings, which now sound better than ever before! I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 23:02:59 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:02:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Sam, I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's songs, which now sound better than ever before! I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From udurusu at tr.net Mon Dec 10 23:15:22 2001 From: udurusu at tr.net (Ural Durusu) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:15:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Sam, I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's songs, which now sound better than ever before! I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From udurusu at tr.net Mon Dec 10 23:15:19 2001 From: udurusu at tr.net (Ural Durusu) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:15:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BAB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you all for your feedback. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 10:38 To: naktalk at naks.com; Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. This was a cute little entry level integrated amp distributed in the 1970s when Sansui took hi-fi rather more seriously than they do now (they consider making money more seriously thesedays). What I find with this vintage amp is that the phono stages sound good compared with later designs and still sound better than entry level phono boxes do now - I referring to NAD and Project specifically. For the rest, the number of inputs may be a slight limiting factor. And, while avoiding the time-honoured debate that amps shouldn't have a sound of their own, I still think it will sound very good. Incidently, bearing in mind rack considerations or aesthetic matters, I don't think that it is a 43cm wide component. More like 38-40 cm. A local CD store has one of those AU 101 amplifiers powering some new Acoustic Energy Aegis 2s and it sounds very good. Quite gusty actually. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/10/01 08:06AM >>> Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 10 23:24:42 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:24:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: Message-ID: <01b601c181c9$776371a0$90021fac@brianm> Run while you have a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Tue Dec 11 00:47:11 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:47:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1732 In-Reply-To: <200112102235.XAA31820@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Gee Sam, that sounds like normal activity to me...Many Naks, more tapes than CD-R's, lusting for more Naks. What's the problem? TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 17:35 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1732 naktalk-digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1732 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:47:37 -0500 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems Thank you, Salim, Though I will have to wait until it actually arrives at my place I'm happy we managed to win the auction. Nicholas. - -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:20:13 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems What a nice x-mas gift for you, Nick ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems > Thank you, Salim, > > Though I will have to wait until it actually arrives at my place I'm happy we managed to win the auction. > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:58:57 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX problems Stephen, Kannan and all, Through a nakfriend I finally be able to try Nak 1k track tape with mixed result - on bx and zx(5) the 1k right channel signal never completely fade away (on spectrum chart). There are 7 clicks between noticable 1k spikes, however, at exactly one notch from extreme left position I can have uniform minimum 1k left and right channel level. What is the better way to go ? In the middle of 7 clicks (logically correct) or at this minimum level (per manual's instruction) ? It's interesting that using traditional loudest 400hz level method I already had CR4 height spot on :-) Also there are 5-6 clicks 'tolerance' on this deck before any 1k signal got visible. What is the normal range (in clicks :-) of correct head height position ? Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:05:58 GMT From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mike's '84 Dragon On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:31:07 +0200, "Mark Hugo" wrote: >Hi Mike, > >... The ability of a Dragon to make any tape (automatically) sound as > good it could possibly be make it a true collectors deck. >... Have you had that since new? Has the NAAC tuning ever given you any "uphill"? Hello, Marc! I got the Dragon in 1998 and had it "rebuilt" in Torrance, CA, at Nak. I have a couple of cassettes that confuse the NAAC, but never in both directions, so I can say that it's never caused any trouble, actually it's been just wonderful! I really do need to have it Sank-tified, though, just on principle, to make it sound as good as it might. Soon, soon. Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:17:33 +0200 (EET) From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Subject: [naktalk] OT posts Hi Nakkers! Here is my opinion. As far as you going to delete most of the message youare replying to and not generate 50 kB long message - any OT is fine with me ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:29:07 +0200 (EET) From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? Hi Jim, Large diafragm condencers and ribbon, I guess? Right now I'm using Neumann U48 and three LOMO condencers (russan made for film industry, realyy great!) Will get some LOMO 19A19 (tube condencers) soon. (I've heard that Pink Floyd using 12 pieces of them...) And of course I'm using several ribbopns, all made by OKTAVA. Stephen, will send you a pics as soon as I'll have camera for it. And talking about mic preamps - I'm using home made tube preamp, with transformer input and output. Love this sound! I never need any of those modern boxes to make sound rich and warm :-) Misha >Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > >sheeeeesh!!! = ) > >Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:53:17 EST From: SBarr12393 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 In a message dated 12/10/2001 3:26:35 AM Central Standard Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: << Hi Sam, Looking at my machine, it reverses at the end of the cassette instead of the tape leader. I don't think the RX-505 has an optical sensor for the tape leader. Are you thinking of getting a RX-505 to complement your CR-7 and BX-150? Kelvin. >> Hi Kelvin, I've always stared at with awe at the RX-505 and Dragon. And yes, I plan to eventually purchase another deck to compliment my CR-7. (My BX-150 is very old and doesn't have the playback performance for tape dubbing that I desire). There are on occassion (although becoming more rare each day it seems) that someone asks for a copy of a recording I've made. I would like the ability to simply dub it instead of recreating it every time. And again, from what I've learned the RX-505 owners seem very pleased with that machine. I'll keep you posted as the time for that purchase draws near. - -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:44:45 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable Many thanks to all who have contributed to my question regarding cable lengths. I now have a similar question ...forgive me if this has been discussed before but, if it has, I can't find the postings! The question is this: Whilst appreciating there is some difference is the views of the Naklisters regarding analogue cables, can it really be true that some digital interconnect cables (which are all coaxial, aren't they?) can affect the sound quality given that the transmission between the CD and DAC are simply zeros and ones? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:01:05 EST From: SBarr12393 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable To Graham's question regarding digital cables, I would like to "piggyback" and ask a larger question of this group. Like all of you, I enjoy our audio hobby. However, it seems that on the surface our hobby is very inefficient. Now, I understand the physics behind speaker box size and cone size, but it appears to me that here we are in the year 2001/2002, and yet we are still building 350 pound, 6/7/8-foot speakers, 150 pound amps, and using cable to connect these components taking up tremendous amounts of floor space. Given the advances in digital technologies, it would seem that we could produce a small, highly powerful, and "rich" sounding system using flat panel, wireless speakers and 1000 watts amps the size of a Nak BX-150 tape deck. So I am curious, and given the vast amounts of firsthand knowledge and experience within this group, what are your thoughts/opinions on the apparent lack of efficiency within our hobby? My main point is this: if we can put people into space using the space shuttle, and we have decoded the base codes of human DNA, then certainly we should be able to create the same sound that a McIntosh MC2000 Limited-Edition Tube amplifier, or Tannoy Canterbury or Kingdom speakers, in a small lightweight (relative to today's components), sturdy (tennis racquets and fishing rods even have boron and kevlar in them) small footprint system. Any thoughts? - -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:59:26 +1100 From: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. Thank you all for your feedback. Tom Siomopoulos. - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 10:38 To: naktalk at naks.com; Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sansui A-101 - off topic. This was a cute little entry level integrated amp distributed in the 1970s when Sansui took hi-fi rather more seriously than they do now (they consider making money more seriously thesedays). What I find with this vintage amp is that the phono stages sound good compared with later designs and still sound better than entry level phono boxes do now - I referring to NAD and Project specifically. For the rest, the number of inputs may be a slight limiting factor. And, while avoiding the time-honoured debate that amps shouldn't have a sound of their own, I still think it will sound very good. Incidently, bearing in mind rack considerations or aesthetic matters, I don't think that it is a 43cm wide component. More like 38-40 cm. A local CD store has one of those AU 101 amplifiers powering some new Acoustic Energy Aegis 2s and it sounds very good. Quite gusty actually. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/10/01 08:06AM >>> Hello all, Is the Sansui A-101 any decent/half decent amp. Any suggestions are welcomed, good or bad. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:02:42 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 Sam, I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's sings, which now sound better than ever before! I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:02:59 +0000 From: "winnie pooh" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 Sam, I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's songs, which now sound better than ever before! I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you think? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1732 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Dec 11 01:05:51 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:05:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike Message-ID: <001c01c181d7$98afe2e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Anyone know about the new russian ribbon mike Oktava ML52. Quality, price and usability for Nak-recording. Ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 01:44:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:44:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> Those old Neumann tubed condenser mics are damn sweet! I'm not familiar with the Lomo but if I remember correctly the Oktava is a current production microphone that's available here in the US. It's funny that audio transformers get such a bad wrap amongst audiophiles. I find that they often sound better than active stages. Equalizers are taboo amongst audiophiles too but can be very, very useful. Speaking of which... Stephen, do you know of any analog EQs (Rane, perhaps) whose "cure isn't worse than the disease?" I have my eye on a digital eq but I don't want to convert my analog sources to digital and then back again. Also, typically the newer digital eqs can't handle the latest high res digital formats. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Large diafragm condencers and ribbon, I guess? > Right now I'm using Neumann U48 and three LOMO > condencers (russan made for film industry, realyy great!) > Will get some LOMO 19A19 (tube condencers) soon. > (I've heard that Pink Floyd using 12 pieces of them...) > And of course I'm using several ribbopns, all made by > OKTAVA. Stephen, will send you a pics as soon as I'll have > camera for it. > And talking about mic preamps - I'm using home made > tube preamp, with transformer input and output. Love this sound! > I never need any of those modern boxes to make sound rich > and warm :-) > > Misha > > >Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > > >sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > > >Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Dec 11 01:42:53 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:42:53 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Dealers Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BB1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc, Have you found any cash converters stores that carry the ol' beauties from the 70's? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 6:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dealers Hi Tom As far as I know, Cash Convertors (either that or Cash Crusaders) is an Aussie company and shouf be reasonably represented there. The local ones (here in SA) usually carry quite a variety of used hi-fi gear that they resell for a fraction of the original price. I have found that nurturing a few relationships with the store managers can pay dividends when hunting for something specific. You're right about hi-fi dealers though. Trade - in arrangements are only offered here and there. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 12/08/01 06:25AM >>> I don't know what it is like where you come from Jim, but here in Australia I am seeing less and less secondhand equipment. In the old days the Dealers would be happy to take in decent trade-in's but now that is something of a rarity. I cannot afford most of the new stuff and quite frankly I'm happy with the old stuff that was around, but by the time I discover about a piece of equipment that would interest me they just aren't any around no more and no dealer would offer to help me track down equipment. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 12:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dealers As long as we are discussing dealers, I would like to pose a couple of questions to all of you in hopes that I can fine tune my business to better fit my customers' needs. Other than heavily discounted prices, what services or products would you like your local two channel dealer to offer or continue to offer? What experiences have you had at your local store that you would like to avoid? Thank you! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001201c181e2$db41d040$17b887d9@a4s1s2> "Equalizers are taboo amongst audiophiles too but can be very, very useful." said Jim Volpatti. Not among serious collectors of 78's, Jim. I gather the Eq. settings at which some of these records were recorded was very different between some labels and, in order to adjust back to neutral, one needs to use an equaliser with a different setting for each record label. (Of course, one can also achieve something of a similar effect with decent tone controls, such as the tilt controls on a Quad 33, 44, 66 or 77, I suppose.) Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: Anyone know about the new russian ribbon mike Oktava ML52.Quality, price and usability for Nak-recording.Ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 11 04:03:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:03:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? References: <3C13B312.7009.12BA7B62@localhost> Message-ID: <042c01c181f0$72275900$413442cf@sank1> Assuming it has not been used heavily, the deck should not need much more than to have the capstan & mode belts replaced, plus a thorough cleaning & calibration. There are a couple of common issues that should be checked for & remedied as needed. The first is binding grease, especially on the pinch roller arms' pivot shafts. The second is failing orange-colored film capacitors in the erase oscillator & in all areas of the circuitry. These fail so frequently that it is a good idea to just replace them all, even if they are all currently good. Many Naktalkers can attest to this, as prevention of "orange cap disease". Beyond these things, it is quite unlikely that anything else would be needed. If everything is apparently working well, you needn't feel an urgency about getting service done. The grinding noise at the end of ff/rew is actually a sign that you still have a quite healthy reel drive idler & is nothing to worry about. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delica Caldwell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? > I have not been on the list for a few years. > I am looking for recommendations for what should be serviced > and/or replaced on a ZX-7. I have owned since new. It is not > exhibiting any problems other than occasionally making a growling > noise at the end of rewinding a tape. As it is almost 20 years old, I > figure some items must need to be refreshed for continued good > performance. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Scott > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 11 04:06:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:06:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX problems References: <265A2440.1930CC61.026D48C1@netscape.net> <000e01c181a4$662b06c0$5f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <043201c181f0$e564b0c0$413442cf@sank1> You won't necessarily have equal absence of 1kHz at the optimum point. What you want to shoot for is the point at which the tone is at the lowest it can be in both channels. This may be where one channel is higher & the other lower. It's usually the midpoint between where either channel tone level shoots up sharply. Sometimes the best point has both channels at their lowest, but often not. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX problems > > Stephen, Kannan and all, > > Through a nakfriend I finally be able to try Nak 1k track tape with mixed > result - on bx and zx(5) the 1k right channel signal never completely fade > away (on spectrum chart). There are 7 clicks between noticable 1k spikes, > however, at exactly one notch from extreme left position I can have uniform > minimum 1k left and right channel level. What is the better way to go ? > In the middle of 7 clicks (logically correct) or at this minimum level (per > manual's instruction) ? > > It's interesting that using traditional loudest 400hz level method I already > had CR4 height spot on :-) Also there are 5-6 clicks 'tolerance' on this > deck before any 1k signal got visible. What is the normal range (in clicks > :-) of correct head height position ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 11 04:11:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:11:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike References: <001c01c181d7$98afe2e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <043f01c181f1$85f964e0$413442cf@sank1> I have not yet had direct experience with any Russian ribbon mic, but I've seen Michael Vladimirsky mention on rec.audio.pro the ML52 as being not a very good mic compared to earlier Octavas. You can get his email on his "Russian Mic Museum" website, http://microphones.ru/. As far as I have read/seen, the Octava ribbons have strictly been attempts at copying RCA designs, so I can't for a minute imagine that getting a real RCA would not be a far better choice. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike Anyone know about the new russian ribbon mike Oktava ML52. Quality, price and usability for Nak-recording. Ole thofte ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 11 04:16:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:16:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <044701c181f2$39bc6040$413442cf@sank1> Speaking of transformers, I definitely prefer a high quality transformer for mic or line-level input balancing vs electronic balancing via differential input configuration. I know one high-end company, Rowland, agrees. They use the best Jensen transformers for their balanced input amps. On balanced outputs, I am not so opposed to transformerless. The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha 2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > Those old Neumann tubed condenser mics are damn sweet! I'm not familiar with the Lomo > but if I remember correctly the Oktava is a current production microphone that's > available here in the US. > > It's funny that audio transformers get such a bad wrap amongst audiophiles. I find that > they often sound better than active stages. Equalizers are taboo amongst audiophiles > too but can be very, very useful. > > Speaking of which... Stephen, do you know of any analog EQs (Rane, perhaps) whose > "cure isn't worse than the disease?" I have my eye on a digital eq but I don't want to > convert my analog sources to digital and then back again. Also, typically the newer > digital eqs can't handle the latest high res digital formats. > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Michael Mironov wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Large diafragm condencers and ribbon, I guess? > > Right now I'm using Neumann U48 and three LOMO > > condencers (russan made for film industry, realyy great!) > > Will get some LOMO 19A19 (tube condencers) soon. > > (I've heard that Pink Floyd using 12 pieces of them...) > > And of course I'm using several ribbopns, all made by > > OKTAVA. Stephen, will send you a pics as soon as I'll have > > camera for it. > > And talking about mic preamps - I'm using home made > > tube preamp, with transformer input and output. Love this sound! > > I never need any of those modern boxes to make sound rich > > and warm :-) > > > > Misha > > > > >Talk about a large diaphragm ribbon mic... > > > > > >sheeeeesh!!! = ) > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 04:56:07 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:56:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <044701c181f2$39bc6040$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1583D7.38F35472@earthlink.net> "I tell ya, I get no respect!" - Rodney Dangerfield LOL Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Speaking of transformers, I definitely prefer a high quality transformer for > mic or line-level input balancing vs electronic balancing via differential > input configuration. I know one high-end company, Rowland, agrees. They > use the best Jensen transformers for their balanced input amps. On balanced > outputs, I am not so opposed to transformerless. > The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha > 2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all > pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? > > > Those old Neumann tubed condenser mics are damn sweet! I'm not familiar > with the Lomo > > but if I remember correctly the Oktava is a current production microphone > that's > > available here in the US. > > > > It's funny that audio transformers get such a bad wrap amongst > audiophiles. I find that > > they often sound better than active stages. Equalizers are taboo amongst > audiophiles > > too but can be very, very useful. > > > > Speaking of which... Stephen, do you know of any analog EQs (Rane, > perhaps) whose > > "cure isn't worse than the disease?" I have my eye on a digital eq but I > don't want to > > convert my analog sources to digital and then back again. Also, typically > the newer > > digital eqs can't handle the latest high res digital formats. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Assuming it has not been used heavily, the deck should not need much more than to have the capstan & mode belts replaced, plus a thorough cleaning & calibration. There are a couple of common issues that should be checked for & remedied as needed. The first is binding grease, especially on the pinch roller arms' pivot shafts. The second is failing orange-colored film capacitors in the erase oscillator & in all areas of the circuitry. These fail so frequently that it is a good idea to just replace them all, even if they are all currently good. Many Naktalkers can attest to this, as prevention of "orange cap disease". Beyond these things, it is quite unlikely that anything else would be needed. If everything is apparently working well, you needn't feel an urgency about getting service done. The grinding noise at the end of ff/rew is actually a sign that you still have a quite healthy reel drive idler & is nothing to worry about. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delica Caldwell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? > I have not been on the list for a few years. > I am looking for recommendations for what should be serviced > and/or replaced on a ZX-7. I have owned since new. It is not > exhibiting any problems other than occasionally making a growling > noise at the end of rewinding a tape. As it is almost 20 years old, I > figure some items must need to be refreshed for continued good > performance. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Scott > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Dec 11 05:04:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:04:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX problems Message-ID: <20011211040412.EKAK14797.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thanks much Stephen, CR4 case is very textbook, clean in the middle and 3 notches up/down before 1k signal appears. Probably that's the reason I got it through 'traditional' method in first place. Best regards, Salim SM > You won't necessarily have equal absence of 1kHz at the optimum > point. What > you want to shoot for is the point at which the tone is at the > lowest it can > be in both channels. This may be where one channel is higher & > the other > lower. It's usually the midpoint between where either channel > tone level > shoots up sharply. Sometimes the best point has both channels > at their > lowest, but often not. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 11 05:01:46 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:31:46 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? Message-ID: <007001c181f8$8d996f40$42d60192@vsnl> Generally speaking even playback head alignment ( rec head as well as ZX7 rec head gets turned manually during calibration) is must for such a long history -of Over 20 year used ZX7- is a must to really appreciate a Nak' ability- I am stating this bit politely here!!! If you are in US, "Sanktifiaction" is the best choice because of the costs involved in getting these gauges - time etc. Recently I had chance to align one Naktalk member' CR3 from Bombay ( India) and realise its true potential. If the head is aligned well you could appreciate most of the cassettes hidden music. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? >I agree with Stephen here, > > I own a ZX9 and had two problems, the erase oscillator problem and a dolby c problem - both due to those crappy orange caps. Thanks to Stephen he helped me with the erase ocsillator problem and the Dolby c problem I found after some tracing with an oscilliscope. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] >Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2001 2:04 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? > > >Assuming it has not been used heavily, the deck should not need much more >than to have the capstan & mode belts replaced, plus a thorough cleaning & >calibration. There are a couple of common issues that should be checked for >& remedied as needed. The first is binding grease, especially on the pinch >roller arms' pivot shafts. The second is failing orange-colored film >capacitors in the erase oscillator & in all areas of the circuitry. These >fail so frequently that it is a good idea to just replace them all, even if >they are all currently good. Many Naktalkers can attest to this, as >prevention of "orange cap disease". Beyond these things, it is quite >unlikely that anything else would be needed. >If everything is apparently working well, you needn't feel an urgency about >getting service done. The grinding noise at the end of ff/rew is actually a >sign that you still have a quite healthy reel drive idler & is nothing to >worry about. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Delica Caldwell" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 5:53 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Recommended service for ZX-7? > > >> I have not been on the list for a few years. >> I am looking for recommendations for what should be serviced >> and/or replaced on a ZX-7. I have owned since new. It is not >> exhibiting any problems other than occasionally making a growling >> noise at the end of rewinding a tape. As it is almost 20 years old, I >> figure some items must need to be refreshed for continued good >> performance. >> >> Thanks for your assistance. >> >> Scott >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Tue Dec 11 09:30:11 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:30:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike Message-ID: <45567879.10D7DEA6.032C04E1@netscape.net> Ole, Here is the link to the site but unfortunately it is in Russian. Nevertheless there is a picture and specifications provided. Later I will translate the text and send to you directly. http://home.tula.net/oktava/mics/ml52.htm Regards, Nicholas -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Tue Dec 11 09:41:13 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:41:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike Message-ID: <01A46768.49055469.032C04E1@netscape.net> I was a bit too fast with my previous message. Here is the English page: http://home.tula.net/oktava/eng/ml52_e.htm Regards, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 10:20:26 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:20:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Maybe I should!!!! By the way, sorry for the duplicate posting earlier, but I don't understand why it was repeated by someone else - Ural Durusu - ????? >From: "Brian Miller" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:24:42 -0500 > >Run while you have a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Maybe I need to spend some time away from Naktalk......... >Hmmmmm..........What do you think? > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:32:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:32:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <9b.1f722625.29472ca8@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:22:23 AM Central Standard Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: << By the way, sorry for the duplicate posting earlier, but I don't understand why it was repeated by someone else - Ural Durusu - ????? >> Yes, who was that? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 10:46:05 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:46:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: Maybe its a backup/phantom Naktalker, to duplicate all our messages? You know, have a backup Nak in case your main one fails........ Or perhaps Ural Durusu can tell us himself/herself? As you can see, despite my best efforts, this addiction is still too strong, so I'm staying on. New Year's resolution must be to sell a few Naks to fund my stay at a Naktalk Detox center! Kelvin. >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:32:24 EST > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:22:23 AM Central Standard Time, >winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: > ><< By the way, sorry for the duplicate posting earlier, but I don't >understand > why it was repeated by someone else - Ural Durusu - ????? >> > >Yes, who was that? > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:54:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:54:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <80.148d3dc3.294731bf@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:48:29 AM Central Standard Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: << As you can see, despite my best efforts, this addiction is still too strong, so I'm staying on. New Year's resolution must be to sell a few Naks to fund my stay at a Naktalk Detox center! Kelvin. >> LOL - well, the Dragon's seem to continually fetch top-dollar. May be good to own one just to sell it at the right time of year. Welcome to the club. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Dec 11 10:26:05 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:26:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <044701c181f2$39bc6040$413442cf@sank1> References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. He said they were the best ever made. Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after everything possible has been done acoustically, and after the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the listening position. The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no EQ. ________________ Marc Stager ===================== >The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha >2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all >pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 11:13:12 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:13:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C15DC38.7A576967@earthlink.net> Wow, I forgot about the White EQs. Didn't they make a 1/3 octave EQ that consisted of 31 potentiometers, cut only? I wonder if Massenburg still feels that way. He's probably designed a damn sweet EQ of his own, manufactured by Manley Labs. I carry the Manley hi-fi stuff. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. > He said they were the best ever made. > > Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working > very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono > Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. > > These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after > everything possible has been done acoustically, and after > the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. > (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, > tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) > Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate > time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest > transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section > can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker > should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is > a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the > listening position. > > The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > EQ. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ===================== > > >The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha > >2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all > >pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 11:16:20 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:16:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C15DCF4.C14EE010@earthlink.net> Oh, and the L112s were my first decent set of speakers. I used them with a Crown PS-300 amplifier. Where do you have the L-pads set? Any major equalization on the Urei EQs? Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. > He said they were the best ever made. > > Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working > very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono > Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. > > These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after > everything possible has been done acoustically, and after > the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. > (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, > tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) > Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate > time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest > transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section > can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker > should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is > a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the > listening position. > > The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > EQ. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ===================== > > >The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha > >2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all > >pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 11:31:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:31:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> If I remember correctly, my L112s were a little warm in the 63 - 100 hz area, squawky from 630 - 800 hz and bright from 4 - 10 Khz. Does this mirror your experience with yours? Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. > He said they were the best ever made. > > Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working > very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono > Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. > > These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after > everything possible has been done acoustically, and after > the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. > (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, > tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) > Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate > time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest > transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section > can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker > should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is > a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the > listening position. > > The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > EQ. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ===================== > > >The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha > >2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all > >pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 11:44:19 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:44:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C15E382.33CF5D18@earthlink.net> By the way, not grossly so. Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > If I remember correctly, my L112s were a little warm in the 63 - 100 hz area, squawky > from 630 - 800 hz and bright from 4 - 10 Khz. Does this mirror your experience with > yours? > > Jim Volpatti > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. > > He said they were the best ever made. > > > > Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working > > very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono > > Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. > > > > These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after > > everything possible has been done acoustically, and after > > the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. > > (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, > > tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) > > Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate > > time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest > > transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section > > can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker > > should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is > > a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the > > listening position. > > > > The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > > EQ. > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > ===================== > > > > >The only EQ's I consider remotely worthy of consideration are the Yamaha > > >2031(10 year old pro line piece) and the DBX 20/20 & 14/20. These are all > > >pretty minimally harmful to transparency. And shame on you for asking. > > > > > >Stephen Sank > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Dec 11 11:50:12 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:50:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <001201c181e2$db41d040$17b887d9@a4s1s2> References: <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211050141.01f943e0@mail.verizon.net> At 12/10/01, you wrote: > "Equalizers are taboo amongst audiophiles too but can be very, very >useful." >said Jim Volpatti. > >Not among serious collectors of 78's, Jim. I gather the Eq. settings at >which some of these records were recorded was very different between some >labels and, in order to adjust back to neutral, one needs to use an >equaliser with a different setting for each record label. (Of course, one >can also achieve something of a similar effect with decent tone controls, >such as the tilt controls on a Quad 33, 44, 66 or 77, I suppose.) > >said Graham --------------------- That's compensation rather than equalization; for EUR, London, Columbia, and who knows how many other pre-RIAA (originally RCA Orthophonic) recording curves. You are applying EQ, in this case, to get you back to the sound the way it was before the record was cut. Mono preamps from Mac. Marantz, Fisher and Scott used to give you a wide choice of 78 RPM phono compensation curves. Yes, it is, technically, equalization, but the function is to correct and compensate and for a pre-existing condition rather than tune the sound for a room or to your listening tastes. That's where compensation differs from equalization. Equalization can be applied later to fatten the bass, reduce stylus resonances, and generally make the sound more pleasant to listen to. In a similar fashion, I apply dynamic compensation, as opposed to frequency compensation, to FM broadcasts which are heavily compressed by putting an expander between the tuner and preamp. The EQ that Jim is referring to is optional. What you're doing is a necessity. You can't listen to a record or tape without playback compensation, or to FM without compensating for the pre-emphasis curve. Also, in my opinion, without some dynamic compensation as well. (I know. It's not perfect but it's way better than nothing.) I, personally, feel that preamps that lack tone controls (nothing more than broad-band EQ controls), are ridiculous. Bypass them, by all means, but have them available for recordings which need the EQ. I find myself using those controls (on a Marantz-PAC 7) about 25% of the time and this is for a system which measures flat within 3 dB from 40 to 16K at 90 dB at the listening position. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Dec 11 12:12:22 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:12:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <3C15DC38.7A576967@earthlink.net> References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211055134.01fa3490@mail.verizon.net> At 12/11/01, you wrote: >Wow, I forgot about the White EQs. Didn't they make a 1/3 octave >EQ that consisted of 31 potentiometers, cut only? > >I wonder if Massenburg still feels that way. He's probably >designed a damn sweet EQ of his own, manufactured by Manley >Labs. I carry the Manley hi-fi stuff. > >Jim Volpatti He said that at a talk at the AES show about two weeks ago. He also discussed EQ designs and generally found the cut-only followed by an overall gain stage design to be superior. Makes sense. Simpler design = less audio degradation. On the other hand -- what if you want to boost a frequency? A cut only device would be fine for feedback control but to tune a room you may want to boost a portion of the spectrum, which means you have to cut every other frequency with a cut-only device. (Makes you think of the old Army joke about everyone taking one step back leaving the clueless dolt to volunteer). This, I think, would certainly be worse than an eq with individual gain stages at each slider. Incidentally, I found the relatively inexpensive Nikko EQ-30 to be a very decent mono 'third octave eq. I bought six of them, because they were cheap (and appeared to be well made) and they have proven themselves to be quiet and reliable for some fourteen years now in my live sound systems. ________________ Marc Stager ========================== In a previous episode Stager wrote: > > Add to that the old White EQ's, as per George Massenburg. > > He said they were the best ever made. > > > > Also, the one-third octave equalizers that have been working > > very nicely on a pair of JBL L-112's in my studio: mono > > Urei 527's. First class parts and workmanship - and sound. > > > > These are for accurate room sound. The final step - after > > everything possible has been done acoustically, and after > > the individual speaker levels are at their flattest positions. > > (By that I mean, the level of the mid compared to the woofer, > > tweeter to mid, either passively or at your electronic crossover.) > > Also, make sure the speakers are tilted for the most accurate > > time alignment. In a flat panel 3 way, go for the smoothest > > transition from mids to highs. A well recorded string section > > can tell you very quickly what the optimal angle of the speaker > > should be. For my systems, both home and studio, the judge is > > a Gold Line GL-30 RTA, measurement mic exactly at the > > listening position. > > > > The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > > EQ. > > > > ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Dec 11 12:23:43 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:23:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211061506.01f945a0@mail.verizon.net> At 12/11/01, you wrote: >If I remember correctly, my L112s were a little warm in the 63 - 100 hz >area, squawky >from 630 - 800 hz and bright from 4 - 10 Khz. Does this mirror your >experience with >yours? > >Jim Volpatti I don't remember, exactly, I haven't touched the level controls or the Ureis in months. I'll have a look tomorrow when I go to the studio and let you know. Incidentally, they are driven by a fine old H-K Citation II, with updated caps and sporting Tung-Sol 6500's. I have a nice set of Genalex KT-88's stashed away. Maybe some day I'll use them but I Iike the way the Citation sound with Tung-Sols (hit with 80 ma bias) It's 6 AM and past my bedtime so I'm signing off. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Tue Dec 11 12:30:40 2001 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:30:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] grounding In-Reply-To: <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <14212252126.20011211133040@mail.md> Gentlemen, i have a question concerning the necessity of grounding the A/V equipment. i am in the situation of changing the shitty AC cords of my units with much more resistant to external abuse wires (i have once witnessed a frightening fire due to a shortcircuit inside the cable and don't want to see this no more, also i have a cat (bad boy) who's biting anything on his way). all my components (except the tuner) have cords with no ground line. first question: should i bother and connect also the ground (green) wire or leave it without this? second question: if you suggest to ground, should i solder the ground wire to the chassis of the equipment or to some other point? what do you think? thank you very much for your possible suggestions and tolerance. have a nice day, bye. Marin. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 11 15:29:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:29:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] grounding References: <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> <14212252126.20011211133040@mail.md> Message-ID: <3C161838.C64E1C0@concentric.net> Marin Turea wrote: > > Gentlemen, > i have a question concerning the necessity of grounding the A/V equipment. > i am in the situation of changing the shitty AC cords of my units > with much more resistant to external abuse wires (i have once > witnessed a frightening fire due to a shortcircuit inside the cable > and don't want to see this no more, also i have a cat (bad boy) who's > biting anything on his way). all my components (except the tuner) have > cords with no ground line. > > first question: > should i bother and connect also the ground (green) wire or leave it > without this? > > second question: > if you suggest to ground, should i solder the ground wire to the > chassis of the equipment or to some other point? > > what do you think? > > thank you very much for your possible suggestions and tolerance. > > have a nice day, > bye. > > Marin. > In an ideal world, you would have a grounding power plug only on your power amp(s) or receiver. This will connect the power line ground to the unit chassis close to where the line cord enters the chassis, at or near the return lead of the internal noise suppressor (if so equipped, which in an ideal world, it will). This should be the *only* point where the system connects to power line ground. The power line socket should have a low resistance path to building ground (usually, the supply side of the water mains). In addition, all your signal cables will be bunched in a harness with as little slack as possible -- this means that your interconnects should be as close to the correct length as possible. In you case, since only the tuner has a grounding plug, it will serve just fine. If you are replacing equipment line cords, do not add grounds to units that did not have them before. Connect all wires to the same points they were connected to before. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 15:46:26 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:46:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR problems - OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hi all, just my 2 cents on the off-topic discussion. I don't mind off-topic discussions and I very much enjoy most of them. However, (Nick, Salim, pls don't take this personally, I'm just using this as an example), would it be too much to ask everyone to adjust the subject line of their message to reflect the actual content? I'm very happy (and envious) about Nick getting his ZX-9, but that has nothing to do with the subject "CR problems", right ? I almost deleted several messages with subjects that do not interest me, but the contents turned out to be quite different. Another example is the turntable discussion - I don't have a turntable and have no intention of ever owning one again, so the whole thread was of no particular interest to me. Unfortunately I had to open all messages with this subject, because on several occasions the content had drifted into other areas, which I found rather entertaining, like dealers' behaviour for example. I hope I haven't been too boring and have managed to get the message across clearly enough. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Salim Marzuki" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:20:13 +0700 What a nice x-mas gift for you, Nick ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems > Thank you, Salim, > > Though I will have to wait until it actually arrives at my place I'm happy we managed to win the auction. > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 15:56:37 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:56:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mike's '84 Dragon In-Reply-To: <3c15f73f.17901033@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: My Dragon did the same thing until I had it Sanktified. It would work sometimes, sometimes not, and usually it would work in one direction and not the other. Stephen does something that most Nak technicians (even Nak themselves) don't know to do, and that is calibrate the two capstan motors. If they are not moving at the correct speeds they can mess up the tape...I believe they are supposed to be just at a hairs difference in speeds. Alex > I got the Dragon in 1998 and had it "rebuilt" in Torrance, CA, at Nak. > > I have a couple of cassettes that confuse the NAAC, but never in both > directions, so I can say that it's never caused any trouble, actually > it's been just wonderful! > > I really do need to have it Sank-tified, though, just on principle, to > make it sound as good as it might. Soon, soon. > > Mike FabFourFan Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Dec 11 17:09:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:09:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR problems - OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <000c01c1825e$30b3a1e0$50289bca@smarzuki> George ... now that's too much ! :-) <> what i meant was that CRs start to have problems when ZXs still going on like, as Stephen said, energizer bunnies. Therefore cr subject with zx content and of course we have to get off topic afterwards. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR problems - OFF TOPIC > Hi all, > > just my 2 cents on the off-topic discussion. I don't mind off-topic > discussions and I very much enjoy most of them. However, (Nick, Salim, pls > don't take this personally, I'm just using this as an example), would it be > too much to ask everyone to adjust the subject line of their message to > reflect the actual content? I'm very happy (and envious) about Nick getting > his ZX-9, but that has nothing to do with the subject "CR problems", right ? > I almost deleted several messages with subjects that do not interest me, but > the contents turned out to be quite different. Another example is the > turntable discussion - I don't have a turntable and have no intention of > ever owning one again, so the whole thread was of no particular interest to > me. Unfortunately I had to open all messages with this subject, because on > several occasions the content had drifted into other areas, which I found > rather entertaining, like dealers' behaviour for example. > > I hope I haven't been too boring and have managed to get the message across > clearly enough. > > George ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Dec 11 17:11:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:11:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: <9b.1f722625.29472ca8@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c1825e$7f99b100$50289bca@smarzuki> He's our nakagent, or 'cell', in Turki, I believe. Read his post months ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:22:23 AM Central Standard Time, > winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: > > << By the way, sorry for the duplicate posting earlier, but I don't > understand > why it was repeated by someone else - Ural Durusu - ????? >> > > Yes, who was that? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 17:57:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:57:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:59:56 AM Central Standard Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no EQ. ________________ Marc Stager >> Hi Everyone, Given this latest discussion of eq's, I need to ask a baby question. What exactly do you mean by phase "shifts" and anomalies? If you'd prefer, you can respond offline from NakTalkers. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 18:02:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:02:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:18:36 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Wow, I forgot about the White EQs. Didn't they make a 1/3 octave EQ that consisted of 31 potentiometers, cut only? I wonder if Massenburg still feels that way. He's probably designed a damn sweet EQ of his own, manufactured by Manley Labs. I carry the Manley hi-fi stuff. Jim Volpatti >> Does anyone know Bob Ludwig? I wonder if he uses eq's? I would assume he uses some form of eq for mastering purposes. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 19:12:18 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:12:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: Message-ID: <3C164C81.BB1D5C19@earthlink.net> An EQ is in every mastering engineer's bag of tricks. I believe most EQing is done in the digital domain these days, if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:18:36 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Wow, I forgot about the White EQs. Didn't they make a 1/3 octave EQ that > consisted of > 31 potentiometers, cut only? > > I wonder if Massenburg still feels that way. He's probably designed a damn > sweet EQ of > his own, manufactured by Manley Labs. I carry the Manley hi-fi stuff. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Does anyone know Bob Ludwig? I wonder if he uses eq's? I would assume he > uses some form of eq for mastering purposes. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 19:23:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:23:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << An EQ is in every mastering engineer's bag of tricks. I believe most EQing is done in the digital domain these days, if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti >> That's right Jim, I've been up all night and can't think. Bob is an advocate for those Z-system digital eq's. They also make a digital preamp/eq, but I understand you really need to know what you are doing to use it to it's fullest. Not your everyday slide-rule eq. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 20:12:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:12:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: Message-ID: <3C165AA6.157D2D22@earthlink.net> But much more flexible. Parametric EQs are actually easier to use. The only reason the Z-Systems isn't is because you have to step through all those damn menus before you can make the desired adjustment (like so many products today)! Wouldn't it be nice if each adjustment had its own knob, like back in the good ol' days? Of course, manufacturing and retail costs would be higher and compact devices, like cell phones, wouldn't have all the features but.... Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << An EQ is in every mastering engineer's bag of tricks. I believe most EQing > is done in > the digital domain these days, if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to > be the > digital EQ of choice. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > That's right Jim, I've been up all night and can't think. Bob is an advocate > for those Z-system digital eq's. They also make a digital preamp/eq, but I > understand you really need to know what you are doing to use it to it's > fullest. Not your everyday slide-rule eq. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 20:30:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:30:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <128.921f42d.2947b8c1@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2001 1:16:06 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << But much more flexible. Parametric EQs are actually easier to use. The only reason the Z-Systems isn't is because you have to step through all those damn menus before you can make the desired adjustment (like so many products today)! Wouldn't it be nice if each adjustment had its own knob, like back in the good ol' days? Of course, manufacturing and retail costs would be higher and compact devices, like cell phones, wouldn't have all the features but.... Jim Volpatti >> That's interesting as I haven't found parametric eq easier to use vs. graphic eq's. Just the opposite. So far, I've been able to do more with my parametric eq, although I have a full-blown 31 band professional graphic eq plug-in. Setting eq points, and deciding if I want the manipulate a constant width or constant Q. And, all of the different effects I can create by manipulating the low shelf and high shelf cutoffs. So, I find the graphic eq much easier to use, but not as powerful for some applications. Any thoughts? I'm open to tutoring. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 11 21:07:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:07:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > I agree completely. > > > > > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > > > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... > > > > I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output > > impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and > > definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input > > impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively > > higher than 10Kohms). > > Sorry for not being clear. By mismatch, I meant an > amplifier input impedance divided by preamp output > impedance which yields less than 10. OK, thanks for clarifying. In general, you'd want the amp input impedance to be much higher than the preamp output impedance in order not to load the preamp. The filter that attenuates higher frequencies is made out of the preamp output impedance and the cable total capacitance. > > > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > > > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > > > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > > > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > > > high quality. > > > > Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also > > attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low > > output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am > > correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable > > capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. > > All of my current preamps have an output impedance of > 100 ohms or less. My amplifiers have a minimum rated > input impedance of 47 Kohm. Thanks for posting. The low output impedance is the key to this performance. At 100 ohm, it would take about 0.75uF to attenuate 20KHz to -6db. 50ft of a good cable (say, 20pF/ft for a total of 0.001uF) should attenuate by a small fraction of 1db. Should indeed be inaudible. > > Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, > > comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, > > then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal > > never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck > > and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to > > traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill > > thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high > > output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was > > that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could > > hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I > > thought I could easily tell the difference...). > > Makes me wonder what your preamp tape monitor input > impedance was. It's 47Kohms. The CR-7 certainly has no problem driving it. However, I expected the CR-7 2.2Kohm output impedance, in conjunction with the long cable, to show some high frequency attenuation. It probably does, just not enough to be audible with program material. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 21:44:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:44:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <128.921f42d.2947b8c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C167045.C5857EDE@earthlink.net> Sam, Set the bandwidth at two thirds octave, boost the level 8 dB and then sweep the frequency until you are centered on the desired one. Then fine tune the bandwidth and levels. The process is almost intuitive. Do it quickly and don't second guess your adjustments until later. You'll get better and better as time goes by and your confidence (and ear) will improve. Jim SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2001 1:16:06 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << But much more flexible. Parametric EQs are actually easier to use. The > only reason the > Z-Systems isn't is because you have to step through all those damn menus > before you can > make the desired adjustment (like so many products today)! Wouldn't it be > nice if each > adjustment had its own knob, like back in the good ol' days? Of course, > manufacturing > and retail costs would be higher and compact devices, like cell phones, > wouldn't have > all the features but.... > > Jim Volpatti >> > > That's interesting as I haven't found parametric eq easier to use vs. graphic > eq's. Just the opposite. So far, I've been able to do more with my > parametric eq, although I have a full-blown 31 band professional graphic eq > plug-in. Setting eq points, and deciding if I want the manipulate a constant > width or constant Q. And, all of the different effects I can create by > manipulating the low shelf and high shelf cutoffs. So, I find the graphic eq > much easier to use, but not as powerful for some applications. Any thoughts? > I'm open to tutoring. (smile) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 21:49:18 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:49:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C16714D.855DD49F@earthlink.net> Interesting. What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss when input and output impedance and cable capacitance are known? Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree completely. > > > > > > > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > > > > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... > > > > > > I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output > > > impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and > > > definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input > > > impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively > > > higher than 10Kohms). > > > > Sorry for not being clear. By mismatch, I meant an > > amplifier input impedance divided by preamp output > > impedance which yields less than 10. > > OK, thanks for clarifying. In general, you'd want the > amp input impedance to be much higher than the preamp > output impedance in order not to load the preamp. The > filter that attenuates higher frequencies is made out > of the preamp output impedance and the cable total > capacitance. > > > > > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > > > > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > > > > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > > > > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > > > > high quality. > > > > > > Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also > > > attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low > > > output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am > > > correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable > > > capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. > > > > All of my current preamps have an output impedance of > > 100 ohms or less. My amplifiers have a minimum rated > > input impedance of 47 Kohm. > > Thanks for posting. The low output impedance is the key > to this performance. At 100 ohm, it would take about > 0.75uF to attenuate 20KHz to -6db. 50ft of a good cable > (say, 20pF/ft for a total of 0.001uF) should attenuate > by a small fraction of 1db. Should indeed be inaudible. > > > > Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, > > > comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, > > > then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal > > > never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck > > > and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to > > > traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill > > > thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high > > > output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was > > > that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could > > > hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I > > > thought I could easily tell the difference...). > > > > Makes me wonder what your preamp tape monitor input > > impedance was. > > It's 47Kohms. The CR-7 certainly has no problem driving it. > However, I expected the CR-7 2.2Kohm output impedance, in > conjunction with the long cable, to show some high frequency > attenuation. It probably does, just not enough to be > audible with program material. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 22:06:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:06:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <12c.91e66a8.2947cf39@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2001 2:47:33 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Sam, Set the bandwidth at two thirds octave, boost the level 8 dB and then sweep the frequency until you are centered on the desired one. Then fine tune the bandwidth and levels. The process is almost intuitive. Do it quickly and don't second guess your adjustments until later. You'll get better and better as time goes by and your confidence (and ear) will improve. Jim >> Thanks Jim, I'll give it a shot. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Dec 11 22:07:55 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:07:55 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BC0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Does anyone know what triggers off protection circuits in amplifiers (not hearing the click of the relay). Someone I know has a JVC integrated amp and when powered on the lights are on but there is nobody home. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 23:17:49 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <3C16714D.855DD49F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20011211221749.10786.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss > when input and output impedance > and cable capacitance are known? f = 1/(2*Pi*R*C) Pi = 3.141592653... R = output impedance in ohms C = capacitance in farad f = frequency at which amplitude is down 3dB (half power) For example, let C = 10,000pf = 1E-8 R = 1000 ohms f = 1/(2*Pi*100*1E-9) = 15.9kHz Definately audiable! Scott J. --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > Interesting. > > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss > when input and output impedance > and cable capacitance are known? > > Jim Volpatti __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <20011211221749.10786.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C168A25.D0E6F7A3@earthlink.net> Thanks Scott. = ) Jim Volpatti Scott Johnson wrote: > > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss > > when input and output impedance > > and cable capacitance are known? > > f = 1/(2*Pi*R*C) > > Pi = 3.141592653... > R = output impedance in ohms > C = capacitance in farad > f = frequency at which amplitude is down 3dB (half > power) > > For example, let > C = 10,000pf = 1E-8 > R = 1000 ohms > > f = 1/(2*Pi*100*1E-9) = 15.9kHz > Definately audiable! > > Scott J. > > --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Interesting. > > > > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss > > when input and output impedance > > and cable capacitance are known? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 12 00:56:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Copytech Corporation) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:56:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: Message-ID: <3C169D1A.000009.70631@mycomputer.coqui.net> Yes, the Z System is good. I have one, but for more surgical procedure nothing beats the Weiss. The Z is at $3,000 while the Swiss Weiss is at nearly $5,000. All these mastering instruments are very costly ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 05:25:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouldn't it be nice if each adjustment had its own knob, like back in the good ol' days? Of course, manufacturing and retail costs would be higher and compact devices, like cell phones, wouldn't have all the features but.... Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << An EQ is in every mastering engineer's bag of tricks. I believe most EQing > is done in > the digital domain these days, if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to > be the > digital EQ of choice. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > That's right Jim, I've been up all night and can't think. Bob is an advocate > for those Z-system digital eq's. They also make a digital preamp/eq, but I > understand you really need to know what you are doing to use it to it's > fullest. Not your everyday slide-rule eq. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti >> > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:\windows\TEMP\nsmail7N.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Wed Dec 12 01:00:01 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:00:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C169D1A.000009.70631@mycomputer.coqui.net> <3C16942E.1EFF5C28@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000e01c1829f$f275c560$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Are you moving into digital room correction like Tact or Perpetual Technologies? I've heard Tact's room correction at hifi-shows in Denmark and must confess it's very impressive, as is the pricetag. But this kind of tech is probably getting cheaper when it's massproduced? I had some wild idea that you might do your own room correction if you had a mask(?) of the sonic characteristics of your listening room and used this to roomcorrect your recordings and CDs on your PC. After this you burnt the resulting wavefiles to a cd and played them on your system........... well, the idea is free to elaborate on. ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Carlos, what do you prefer for analog based EQ? I'm looking for one that won't change the overall sound, just boost or cut the intended frequencies. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Copytech Corporation wrote: Yes, the Z System is good. I have one, but for more surgical procedure nothing beats the Weiss. The Z is at $3,000 while the Swiss Weiss is at nearly $5,000. All these mastering instruments are very costly ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 05:25:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti >> ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:\windows\TEMP\nsmail7N.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Dec 12 01:04:46 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:04:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Miniature system In-Reply-To: <200112111845.TAA05793@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Regarding digital cable, and digital signals in general, it all depends :-) If the dignal transferred contains checkdigits and the receiving device has error correction, the signal will be either identical to the source, or erroneous, and in the latter case, it depends on the device of what will happen ... in can intrapolate between the last good signal it received and the first next good signal or just do something like producing a click . However, in normal circumstances and with any reasonable good cable without too many connectors, the incoming signal will be identical to the outgoing one ... for the full 100 % . About speakers : to create a sound, the eardrums AND the body should experience the vibrations of the air . This could be accomplished by a headphone like device, AND a vibrating chair (couch, bed or even the floor) .. Since the latter isn't always very practical, this aspect is usually omitted, hence the difference between listening to music through headphones, and feeling a bas-drum . If you want something else than a headphone, you'll need to put the air into movement, by moving an object that "pushes" and "pulls" the air, or by blowing and modulating the air . In the push/pull category, I don't think you'll ever find mini systems doing a good job . Indeed, to move a significant amount of air, you'll need a small movement of a big surface, or a big movement of a smaller surface, at least for the lower frequencies . If we want a small system, all we can do, is to go for the second solution and have a relatively small speaker that moves over several inches : a 1" speaker would need to move over a distance 225 (15 x 15) times as big as a 15" speaker to energise the same volume of air . Supposing that the 15" speaker moves over 1 cm, the small one should then move over 225 cm ... well over 7 ft ... not very likely :-) Of course, there are ways to increase the efficiency of the movement, like a horn, but when we talk size, the gain of the smaller speaker would be lost due to the size of the horn (see KlipschHorn) . So I think that a miniature system can't be made based upon this principle . Instead of pushing/pulling the air, we could try to blow, like a pipe organ or the human voice . In both cases (but I'm mostly guessing here) the lowest tones will also be determined by the volume of air moving, and when looking at a church organ's 16 Hz pipe, I don't think it would qualify for a miniature system . So ... as far as the "rendering system" is concerned, I don't think it is physically possible to reduce the size while stille obtaining the full frequency spectrum . For the amplifier section, I'm afraid that there's not much hope either ... at least not when you're talking about 1000 Watt, unless we only use it on the Northpole (or Southpole) : the heat generated by such a device, just needs a minimum surface to get dissipated under normal circumstances, so I don't think this represents a justified hope either . However, what could be done (and I think relatively easily) would be to have a "server", on which all the sources are connected, that does -when needed- an analog/digital conversion, then does a digital, wireless transmission (to eliminate errors due to the transmission) to a D/A-converter annex amplifier, built into each speaker . That amplifier could then be connected through a 2" thick golden bar to the speaker itself :-) Joking apart, I don't think we'll ever see a mini system like you described .... unless someone finds a way e.g. to magnetise the air and to make it move directly . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 12 03:23:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:23:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BC0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <054701c182b3$f0a226c0$413442cf@sank1> Amp protection circuits are generally triggered by seeing more than usually 1volt of DC on any output channel. Such DC, except during power-up/down, is usually caused by shorted output stage in a channel, or, in cheap sets with driver IC hybrid modules, by a bad IC module. You can count on the JVC having such a problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. > Hi all, > > Does anyone know what triggers off protection circuits in amplifiers (not hearing the click of the relay). Someone I know has a JVC integrated amp and when powered on the lights are on but there is nobody home. > > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 12 03:39:34 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:39:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BC9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Once again, thank you very much Stephen. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2001 1:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Protection circuit. Amp protection circuits are generally triggered by seeing more than usually 1volt of DC on any output channel. Such DC, except during power-up/down, is usually caused by shorted output stage in a channel, or, in cheap sets with driver IC hybrid modules, by a bad IC module. You can count on the JVC having such a problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. > Hi all, > > Does anyone know what triggers off protection circuits in amplifiers (not hearing the click of the relay). Someone I know has a JVC integrated amp and when powered on the lights are on but there is nobody home. > > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 12 05:52:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:52:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, copytec at coqui.net writes: << Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no less. Carlos >> Hey Carlos, The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you didn't know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a learning curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is there anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my friend! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Dec 12 07:47:01 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:47:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: Message-ID: <008b01c182d8$cdea0f60$ce8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi, Funny you should say that about cassettes for the car instead of CD-R's. I've been thinking along similar lines. I think tapes are better suited to cars anyway - less easy to damage. Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > > Sam, > > I was a realtive newcomer to Naktalk, but since getting to know more about > naks, its frightening how quickly it becomes addictive. In the past year > that I have been on naktalk, I have acquired a lot more Naks than I should, > but at least the kids can use a BX-300 and CD1.5 for their children's songs, > which now sound better than ever before! > > I was also thinking about adding an autoreverse Nak to the CR-7 and what > swung it eventually for me was that the RX-505 could auto-record on both > sides, but the Dragon could only do it on one side. Also, I don't use > pre-recorded cassettes that much now, so a Dragon is not that much better > than the CR-7. I have certainly been more than happy with the RX-505, > especially for recording off radio when I am out/busy. Besides, for critical > recording I tend to use the CR-7 anyway. The Nak addiction is now getting to > the stage where I am making more tapes for the car instead of CD-Rs! And > even thinking of replacing my modern Nak tape/CD changer headunit with my > old TD-300 (if I can get it working as it should again!) Maybe I need to > spend some time away from Naktalk......... Hmmmmm..........What do you > think? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 12 16:01:22 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Copytech Corporation) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:01:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: Message-ID: <3C177142.000004.56099@mycomputer.coqui.net> Hello Sam: The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a Pre-Amp I believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's it. After a while you do it automatically. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, copytec at coqui.net writes: << Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no less. Carlos >> Hey Carlos, The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you didn't know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a learning curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is there anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my friend! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Dec 12 16:13:47 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Copytech Corporation) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:13:47 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C169D1A.000009.70631@mycomputer.coqui.net> <3C16942E.1EFF5C28@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C17742B.00000E.56099@mycomputer.coqui.net> Hello Jim: My favorites are (for mastering applications): Oram Mastering EQ Sontec Manley Massive Passive (gets hot !) Avalon Stay away from the Focusrite Blue. They are very cold and expensive. BUT, your best option for just sweetening is the NTI. The original cost was $4,000 but it has come down lately, to less than $3,000 I guess. I have an Oram and an NTI. The NTI is for just coloring. The Oram is a parametric used for more specific applications. The Millenium Media can be another good option for you. What about domestics ? Audio Control C-101 or an old Soundcraftsmen ? I have both. I like the vintage color of the later but it's a little noisier than the AC 101. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:21:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Carlos, what do you prefer for analog based EQ? I'm looking for one that won t change the overall sound, just boost or cut the intended frequencies. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Copytech Corporation wrote: Yes, the Z System is good. I have one, but for more surgical procedure nothing beats the Weiss. The Z is at $3,000 while the Swiss Weiss is at nearly $5,000. All these mastering instruments are very costly ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 05:25:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what do you record? In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:15:44 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: if I'm not mistaken. The Z-Systems seems to be the digital EQ of choice. Jim Volpatti >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Dec 12 15:18:19 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:18:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Decent cassettes: Maxell "Metal CD" (Sinclair) Message-ID: Hi Sinclair, I really meant to respond to you on this - sorry about the tardiness. I picked some of those "Maxell Metal CD" tapes up in London in March this year - sort of greenish wrap I think. Personally, I think they are very good, but they don't have the same resonance absobent casings of their premier line, like XL-IIS and MX-S. Provided you have a decent twin capstan deck or a good cassette stabiliser then it's not a problem. As you suggest, the tape quality is good and I would equate to MX, but possibly not MX-S. I got them in Deans I think, although Richer Sounds always seems to have them. Cheers, Marc >>> thsinclair at localdial.com 12/03/01 01:54AM >>> Hi all! I've been following the recent exchanges regarding metal tape and head wear with some interest. I've used mainly Maxell MX and TDK MA metals for some years without any obvious problems. I've just bought a supply of Maxell Metal.CD 110s (at the highly respectable price of £0.69p each) to try on my Dragon. They seem pretty decent, although the housing isn't of the same quality as the old black MX ones. Any of you tried these tapes? In fact, getting decent tapes is becoming increasingly difficult, especially here in the Channel Islands (the Maxells were got mail-order from the UK after some searching) in these days of CDR, Minidisc and the like. I've decided to try to build up as big a supply of "Dragon food" as possible - can't have the poor beast starving! Sinclair Forrest ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:03:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:03:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <113.9445714.2948e7c8@aol.com> Thanks Carlos. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Wed Dec 12 18:17:09 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:17:09 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonic purity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1e90e5.17339899@mail.voicenet.com> Everyone, The following item was posted a couple of days ago in the newsgroups. I am reposting it here (with Mr Jensen's approval) because it would seem to be of special interest to [naktalk] subscribers. Please CHECK DIRECTLY WITH HIM davej at sedona.net if interested. I do not have these tapes to sell - I'm simply passing on the information. Also, I think Mr Jensen will consider selling them rather than trading for them but, again, please CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY if interested! Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick ========================================================================================= On 8 Dec 2001 17:35:21 GMT, in rec.audio.high-end, davej at sedona.net (Dave Jensen) wrote: ========================================================================================= >I used to work for Telarc Records as their VP Sales. > >At one time, we had the idea of putting out a very high-end >audio tape in collaboration with Nakamichi. >As a test, the Telarc master digital tape for "Symphonie Fantastique" >was sent to Nakamichi to be duped in realtime on their top machine >(I believe it was the "Nakamichi 1000" at that time). > >We did some in Dolby B and some in Dolby C. > >The sound was phenomenal but we weren't able to get them on the market. > >CD's were just coming out, and the cost of realtime transfers using >actual digital masters was just too high. > >They would have cost more than CD's at retail! > >I have four of the Dolby C cassettes and five of the Dolby B cassettes here, >stored since appx. 1980 in my home (undisturbed until a recent "spring" cleaning). > >If anyone has any interest in these, perhaps we can work out an interesting trade, etc. > >D. Jensen (Write me at davej at sedona.net) ========================================================================================= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Dec 12 18:34:19 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:34:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <3C28E86A@mail.totalise.co.uk> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit for mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time analyser. It costs about $450 Fred >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" ===== >Hello Sam: > >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a Pre-Amp I >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's it. >After a while you do it automatically. > >Best, > >Carlos > >-------Original Message------- > >From: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, >copytec at coqui.net writes: > ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just >choose >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no >less. > > > >Carlos >> > >Hey Carlos, > >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you didn't >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a learning >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is there > >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my >friend! > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >===== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 12 18:47:10 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:47:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonic purity??? References: <3c1e90e5.17339899@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <021f01c18335$0704e070$1a756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Thank you. I have emailed him to see what he has and is asking. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "FabFourFan" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonic purity??? > Everyone, > > The following item was posted a couple of days ago in the newsgroups. > > I am reposting it here (with Mr Jensen's approval) because it would seem > to be of special interest to [naktalk] subscribers. > > Please CHECK DIRECTLY WITH HIM davej at sedona.net if interested. I do not > have these tapes to sell - I'm simply passing on the information. > > Also, I think Mr Jensen will consider selling them rather than trading > for them but, again, please CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY if interested! > > > Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick > > > > > ============================================================================ ============= > On 8 Dec 2001 17:35:21 GMT, in rec.audio.high-end, > davej at sedona.net (Dave Jensen) wrote: > ============================================================================ ============= > >I used to work for Telarc Records as their VP Sales. > > > >At one time, we had the idea of putting out a very high-end > >audio tape in collaboration with Nakamichi. > >As a test, the Telarc master digital tape for "Symphonie Fantastique" > >was sent to Nakamichi to be duped in realtime on their top machine > >(I believe it was the "Nakamichi 1000" at that time). > > > >We did some in Dolby B and some in Dolby C. > > > >The sound was phenomenal but we weren't able to get them on the market. > > > >CD's were just coming out, and the cost of realtime transfers using > >actual digital masters was just too high. > > > >They would have cost more than CD's at retail! > > > >I have four of the Dolby C cassettes and five of the Dolby B cassettes here, > >stored since appx. 1980 in my home (undisturbed until a recent "spring" cleaning). > > > >If anyone has any interest in these, perhaps we can work out an interesting trade, etc. > > > >D. Jensen (Write me at davej at sedona.net) > ============================================================================ ============= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Dec 12 19:04:26 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:04:26 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike References: Message-ID: Hi Carl! You should try older mics from LOMO. Tube ones or made just after tube era. I'm prefer one with large diafragm over U48. Have to try Shoeps however. I also have one set of Mikrotech Geffel but it's measuren mic apparently copy of B&K. Anyway, mics is the matter of personal preferences :-) Misha >our experience with the condensor russian mics are that they are a decent >value but don't expect the same kind of sound you would from a proper german >mic. > >carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 12 21:06:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:06:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BC0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <054701c182b3$f0a226c0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C17B8AF.3FDBE20E@concentric.net> some protection circuits are also actuated by over current in the output stage. This could be caused by a shorted output device or an external short. In this particular case, the fault could also be in the protection circuit itself or a bad relay driver. You could try to set the volume control at zero, disconnect all speaker connections and try to switch the amp on. If the relay still doesn't pick, this is a job for a tech. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Amp protection circuits are generally triggered by seeing more than usually > 1volt of DC on any output channel. Such DC, except during power-up/down, is > usually caused by shorted output stage in a channel, or, in cheap sets with > driver IC hybrid modules, by a bad IC module. You can count on the JVC > having such a problem. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:07 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know what triggers off protection circuits in amplifiers (not > hearing the click of the relay). Someone I know has a JVC integrated amp and > when powered on the lights are on but there is nobody home. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 21:14:17 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:14:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If what you want is a mic that records what is being played..accurately....scheops is the answer. A schoeps setup with a scheops mic preamp is simply the best. I would take schoeps solid state mics over vintage tube mics even. Unless I could afford the schoeps tube mics, of course. Thanks for the tip; where can I find out about LOMO? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike Hi Carl! You should try older mics from LOMO. Tube ones or made just after tube era. I'm prefer one with large diafragm over U48. Have to try Shoeps however. I also have one set of Mikrotech Geffel but it's measuren mic apparently copy of B&K. Anyway, mics is the matter of personal preferences :-) Misha >our experience with the condensor russian mics are that they are a decent >value but don't expect the same kind of sound you would from a proper german >mic. > >carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 21:14:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:14:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C28E86A@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C17BAB4.16714728@earthlink.net> Hi Fred, Thanks for the suggestion. I would prefer a high quality analog EQ so that analog signals don't have to convert to digital and back. Also, there are some compatibility issues with DVD-A and SACD. The DSP8024 with the optional AES-EBU I/O and calibration mic retails for over $900 here in the States. That being said, I haven't ruled it out as a possibility. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit for > mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time analyser. > It costs about $450 Fred > > >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > ===== > >Hello Sam: > > > >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a Pre-Amp I > >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > > > >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you > >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's it. > >After a while you do it automatically. > > > >Best, > > > >Carlos > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: naktalk at naks.com > >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > >copytec at coqui.net writes: > > > ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just > >choose > >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no > >less. > > > > > > > >Carlos >> > > > >Hey Carlos, > > > >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you didn't > >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a learning > >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is there > > > >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my > >friend! > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >===== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 12 21:19:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:19:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <14a.5a51181.294915ba@aol.com> In a message dated 12/12/2001 2:17:45 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Fred, Thanks for the suggestion. I would prefer a high quality analog EQ so that analog signals don't have to convert to digital and back. Also, there are some compatibility issues with DVD-A and SACD. The DSP8024 with the optional AES-EBU I/O and calibration mic retails for over $900 here in the States. That being said, I haven't ruled it out as a possibility. Jim Volpatti >> Hey Jim, What are you planning on doing with the mike and analog eq? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Dec 12 21:45:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:45:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <18d.5d3898.29491bfa@aol.com> Hey Jim, What about these units? We use them to eq the drums and the mikes and they work well. DBX 1231 Dual Channel 31 Band Eq http://www.dbxpro.com/1231.htm If you prefer single channel, the DBX 3031 http://www.dbxpro.com/3031.htm DBX 3231 Dual 31 band eq http://www.dbxpro.com/3231L.htm -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 22:42:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:42:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <18d.5d3898.29491bfa@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C17CF4D.42279005@earthlink.net> Thanks Sam. I'll check them out. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hey Jim, > > What about these units? We use them to eq the drums and the mikes and they > work well. > > DBX 1231 Dual Channel 31 Band Eq > http://www.dbxpro.com/1231.htm > > If you prefer single channel, the DBX 3031 > http://www.dbxpro.com/3031.htm > > DBX 3231 Dual 31 band eq > http://www.dbxpro.com/3231L.htm > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Wed Dec 12 23:42:46 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:42:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C28E86A@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <002301c1835e$51e65aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Fred is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? If it is there's an interesting review here: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm Ole Thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit for > mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time analyser. > It costs about $450 Fred > > >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > ===== > >Hello Sam: > > > >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a Pre-Amp I > >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > > > >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you > >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's it. > >After a while you do it automatically. > > > >Best, > > > >Carlos > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: naktalk at naks.com > >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > >copytec at coqui.net writes: > > > ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just > >choose > >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no > >less. > > > > > > > >Carlos >> > > > >Hey Carlos, > > > >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you didn't > >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a learning > >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is there > > > >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my > >friend! > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > >===== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 01:22:32 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:22:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C28E86A@mail.totalise.co.uk> <002301c1835e$51e65aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <000501c1836c$41bd0da0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi again having reread Thorsten Loesch's review I've made up my mind. I'm getting one of thoseBehringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer, even if the price is closer to 700 $ in DK. And hopefully getting my CR7 back from the repairman I think I'm going to spend a fun Christmas. ole thofte ps. by now I've used all my dynamic speakers as mikes. They stink, but it had to be done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Fred > is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? > If it is there's an interesting review here: > http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm > Ole Thofte > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRED MOSS" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit > for > > mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time > analyser. > > It costs about $450 Fred > > > > >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > > ===== > > >Hello Sam: > > > > > >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > > >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > > >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a > Pre-Amp I > > >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > > > > > >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you > > >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's > it. > > >After a while you do it automatically. > > > > > >Best, > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > > > >From: naktalk at naks.com > > >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > > >copytec at coqui.net writes: > > > > > ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just > > >choose > > >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no > > >less. > > > > > > > > > > > >Carlos >> > > > > > >Hey Carlos, > > > > > >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you > didn't > > >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a > learning > > >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is > there > > > > > >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > > >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my > > >friend! > > > > > >-Sam > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > >===== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > ---------------------- > > To become a member and a shareholder > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Dec 13 01:26:27 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:26:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <3C3F2D51@mail.totalise.co.uk> > Yes Ole, that is the one and you can buy it from studiospares.com the current price is 289 pounds sterling. It is not the easiest thing to use but is excellent quality Fred ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" ===== >Fred >is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? >If it is there's an interesting review here: >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm >Ole Thofte >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > >> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit >for >> mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time >analyser. >> It costs about $450 Fred >> >> >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" >> ===== >> >Hello Sam: >> > >> >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I >> >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not >> >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a >Pre-Amp I >> >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. >> > >> >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you >> >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's >it. >> >After a while you do it automatically. >> > >> >Best, >> > >> >Carlos >> > >> >-------Original Message------- >> > >> >From: naktalk at naks.com >> >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers >> > >> >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, >> >copytec at coqui.net writes: >> > >> ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just >> >choose >> >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no >> >less. >> > >> > >> > >> >Carlos >> >> > >> >Hey Carlos, >> > >> >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you >didn't >> >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a >learning >> >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is >there >> > >> >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger >> >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my >> >friend! >> > >> >-Sam >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >== >> >===== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >== >> ====== >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 13 02:00:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:00:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike References: Message-ID: <06bf01c18371$7ee89780$413442cf@sank1> I'll take an RCA BK-11 any day of the week over any condenser or other mic, for accuracy & natural sound. Flat response & no constrained diaphragm artifacts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > If what you want is a mic that records what is being > played..accurately....scheops is the answer. A schoeps setup with a scheops > mic preamp is simply the best. I would take schoeps solid state mics over > vintage tube mics even. Unless I could afford the schoeps tube mics, of > course. > > Thanks for the tip; where can I find out about LOMO? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > > > Hi Carl! > > You should try older mics from LOMO. Tube ones or made just after tube era. > I'm prefer one with large diafragm over U48. Have to try Shoeps however. > I also have one set of Mikrotech Geffel but it's measuren mic apparently > copy > of B&K. Anyway, mics is the matter of personal preferences :-) > > Misha > > > >our experience with the condensor russian mics are that they are a decent > >value but don't expect the same kind of sound you would from a proper > german > >mic. > > > >carl > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 02:12:30 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:12:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C3F2D51@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <000501c18373$3c9722a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Fred One question: I have a small tubeamp with attenuator and play my tubed cd directly into the amp. I don't quite understand Torstens Loesch remarks about finding the right level for preamp and poweramp but am a bit anxious if this level business will create problems in my system. Do you know? Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > Yes Ole, that is the one and you can buy it from studiospares.com the > current price is 289 pounds sterling. It is not the easiest thing to use but > is excellent quality > Fred > ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" > ===== > >Fred > >is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? > >If it is there's an interesting review here: > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm > >Ole Thofte > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FRED MOSS" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > >> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent unit > >for > >> mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time > >analyser. > >> It costs about $450 Fred > >> > >> >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > >> ===== > >> >Hello Sam: > >> > > >> >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > >> >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > >> >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a > >Pre-Amp I > >> >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > >> > > >> >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time you > >> >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's > >it. > >> >After a while you do it automatically. > >> > > >> >Best, > >> > > >> >Carlos > >> > > >> >-------Original Message------- > >> > > >> >From: naktalk at naks.com > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > >> >To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > >> > > >> >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > >> >copytec at coqui.net writes: > >> > > >> ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just > >> >choose > >> >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , no > >> >less. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Carlos >> > >> > > >> >Hey Carlos, > >> > > >> >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you > >didn't > >> >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a > >learning > >> >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is > >there > >> > > >> >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > >> >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you my > >> >friend! > >> > > >> >-Sam > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >== > >> >===== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >== > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Dec 13 03:12:55 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:12:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <3C43B810@mail.totalise.co.uk> > Ole I dont know what he meant but because it is a digital product if you run a low signal thru it in the analogue domain you will function with a reduced bitrate,too high signal will overload the unit-it is not like a Nak- I am not explaining this very well but do not use it between pre and power use it in a tape loop or between cd and pre amp, you should not have a problem though the output or your cd may be slightly low--technically the max output level of your source should equal the max input of the 8024.For best results If your source has a digital output you will feed straight into the 8024 and not worry about the level i.e use it as a Dac-or between your cd transport and Dac if it is better the 8024`s Dac. Fred. ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" ===== >Fred >One question: I have a small tubeamp with attenuator and play my tubed cd >directly into the amp. I don't quite understand Torstens Loesch remarks >about finding the right level for preamp and poweramp but am a bit anxious >if this level business will create problems in my system. Do you know? >Ole >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:26 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > >> > Yes Ole, that is the one and you can buy it from studiospares.com the >> current price is 289 pounds sterling. It is not the easiest thing to use >but >> is excellent quality >> Fred >> ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" >> ===== >> >Fred >> >is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? >> >If it is there's an interesting review here: >> >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm >> >Ole Thofte >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "FRED MOSS" >> >To: >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers >> > >> > >> >> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent >unit >> >for >> >> mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time >> >analyser. >> >> It costs about $450 Fred >> >> >> >> >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" >> >> ===== >> >> >Hello Sam: >> >> > >> >> >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I >> >> >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not >> >> >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a >> >Pre-Amp I >> >> >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. >> >> > >> >> >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time >you >> >> >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's >> >it. >> >> >After a while you do it automatically. >> >> > >> >> >Best, >> >> > >> >> >Carlos >> >> > >> >> >-------Original Message------- >> >> > >> >> >From: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM >> >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers >> >> > >> >> >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, >> >> >copytec at coqui.net writes: >> >> > >> >> ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you >just >> >> >choose >> >> >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , >no >> >> >less. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Carlos >> >> >> > >> >> >Hey Carlos, >> >> > >> >> >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you >> >didn't >> >> >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a >> >learning >> >> >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is >> >there >> >> > >> >> >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger >> >> >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you >my >> >> >friend! >> >> > >> >> >-Sam >> >> >> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >= >> >== >> >> >===== >> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. >> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >= >> >== >> >> ====== >> >> >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> >> ---------------------- >> >> To become a member and a shareholder >> >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= >> >======= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= >> >======= >> >> >> > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >== >> ====== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >== >> ====== >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 03:58:16 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:58:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C43B810@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c18382$03619b00$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Fred thanks! that's good ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > Ole > I dont know what he meant but because it is a digital product if you run a > low signal thru it in the analogue domain you will function with a reduced > bitrate,too high signal will overload the unit-it is not like a Nak- I am not > explaining this very well but do not use it between pre and power use it in a > tape loop or between cd and pre amp, you should not have a problem though the > output or your cd may be slightly low--technically the max output level of > your source should equal the max input of the 8024.For best results If your > source has a digital output you will feed straight into the 8024 and not worry > about the level i.e use it as a Dac-or between your cd transport and Dac if it > is better the 8024`s Dac. Fred. > > ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" > ===== > >Fred > >One question: I have a small tubeamp with attenuator and play my tubed cd > >directly into the amp. I don't quite understand Torstens Loesch remarks > >about finding the right level for preamp and poweramp but am a bit anxious > >if this level business will create problems in my system. Do you know? > >Ole > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FRED MOSS" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:26 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > >> > Yes Ole, that is the one and you can buy it from studiospares.com the > >> current price is 289 pounds sterling. It is not the easiest thing to use > >but > >> is excellent quality > >> Fred > >> ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" > >> ===== > >> >Fred > >> >is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? > >> >If it is there's an interesting review here: > >> >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm > >> >Ole Thofte > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "FRED MOSS" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM > >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > >> > > >> > > >> >> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent > >unit > >> >for > >> >> mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time > >> >analyser. > >> >> It costs about $450 Fred > >> >> > >> >> >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > >> >> ===== > >> >> >Hello Sam: > >> >> > > >> >> >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > >> >> >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > >> >> >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a > >> >Pre-Amp I > >> >> >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > >> >> > > >> >> >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time > >you > >> >> >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's > >> >it. > >> >> >After a while you do it automatically. > >> >> > > >> >> >Best, > >> >> > > >> >> >Carlos > >> >> > > >> >> >-------Original Message------- > >> >> > > >> >> >From: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > >> >> >To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > >> >> > > >> >> >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > >> >> >copytec at coqui.net writes: > >> >> > > >> >> ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you > >just > >> >> >choose > >> >> >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , > >no > >> >> >less. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Carlos >> > >> >> > > >> >> >Hey Carlos, > >> >> > > >> >> >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you > >> >didn't > >> >> >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a > >> >learning > >> >> >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is > >> >there > >> >> > > >> >> >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > >> >> >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you > >my > >> >> >friend! > >> >> > > >> >> >-Sam > >> >> > >> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- - > >= > >> >== > >> >> >===== > >> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >> >resource. > >> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> >> > >> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- - > >= > >> >== > >> >> ====== > >> >> > >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> >> ---------------------- > >> >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >= > >> >======= > >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >resource. > >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >= > >> >======= > >> >> > >> > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >== > >> ====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >== > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 04:17:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:17:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C28E86A@mail.totalise.co.uk> <002301c1835e$51e65aa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <000501c1836c$41bd0da0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C181DBC.44A8B561@earthlink.net> Look what I've started... *oye vai* Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Hi again > having reread Thorsten Loesch's review I've made up my mind. I'm getting one > of thoseBehringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer, even if the price is > closer to 700 $ in DK. And hopefully getting my CR7 back from the repairman > I think I'm going to spend a fun Christmas. > ole thofte > ps. by now I've used all my dynamic speakers as mikes. They stink, but it > had to be done. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ole thofte" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > Fred > > is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? > > If it is there's an interesting review here: > > http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm > > Ole Thofte > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "FRED MOSS" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent > unit > > for > > > mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time > > analyser. > > > It costs about $450 Fred > > > > > > >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > > > ===== > > > >Hello Sam: > > > > > > > >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > > > >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > > > >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a > > Pre-Amp I > > > >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > > > > > > > >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time > you > > > >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's > > it. > > > >After a while you do it automatically. > > > > > > > >Best, > > > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > > > > > >From: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > > > >copytec at coqui.net writes: > > > > > > > ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you just > > > >choose > > > >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , > no > > > >less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Carlos >> > > > > > > > >Hey Carlos, > > > > > > > >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you > > didn't > > > >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a > > learning > > > >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is > > there > > > > > > > >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > > > >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you > my > > > >friend! > > > > > > > >-Sam > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > == > > > >===== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > == > > > ====== > > > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > > ---------------------- > > > To become a member and a shareholder > > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 04:22:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:22:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C3F2D51@mail.totalise.co.uk> <000501c18373$3c9722a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C181EDA.F750A6C0@earthlink.net> Ole, I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume control. You lose bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your attenuate the signal. Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Fred > One question: I have a small tubeamp with attenuator and play my tubed cd > directly into the amp. I don't quite understand Torstens Loesch remarks > about finding the right level for preamp and poweramp but am a bit anxious > if this level business will create problems in my system. Do you know? > Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRED MOSS" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > Yes Ole, that is the one and you can buy it from studiospares.com the > > current price is 289 pounds sterling. It is not the easiest thing to use > but > > is excellent quality > > Fred > > ===== Original Message From "ole thofte" > > ===== > > >Fred > > >is this the one: Behringer UltracurvePro 8024 Digital Equalizer? > > >If it is there's an interesting review here: > > >http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0101/behringer8024.htm > > >Ole Thofte > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "FRED MOSS" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:34 PM > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > >> Behringer make a profesional digital equaliser that is an excellent > unit > > >for > > >> mastering, it has a room e.q mode.,notch, parametric and real time > > >analyser. > > >> It costs about $450 Fred > > >> > > >> >===== Original Message From "Copytech Corporation" > > >> ===== > > >> >Hello Sam: > > >> > > > >> >The model I'm talking about is the one for professional mastering. I > > >> >definetly do not reccomend it for domestic applications since is not > > >> >practical. I know Mr. Zelnicker designed a domestic version and a > > >Pre-Amp I > > >> >believe, but those are quite different from the Pro version. > > >> > > > >> >In mine's you just choose the 6 bands you need. After that, each time > you > > >> >gonna cut or boost whatever band you need to, you select it and that's > > >it. > > >> >After a while you do it automatically. > > >> > > > >> >Best, > > >> > > > >> >Carlos > > >> > > > >> >-------Original Message------- > > >> > > > >> >From: naktalk at naks.com > > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 04:00:55 PM > > >> >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > >> > > > >> >In a message dated 12/11/2001 4:58:44 PM Central Standard Time, > > >> >copytec at coqui.net writes: > > >> > > > >> ><< Sorry Jim, but what menus are you talking about ? In mine's you > just > > >> >choose > > >> >the 6 bands you are gonna use and that's it. Cut and Boost. No more , > no > > >> >less. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Carlos >> > > >> > > > >> >Hey Carlos, > > >> > > > >> >The review I read of the Z-system's digital eq mentioned that if you > > >didn't > > >> >know what you were doing you could mess up. They even mentioned a > > >learning > > >> >curve, but from what you've described it is fairly straightforward. Is > > >there > > >> > > > >> >anything difficult about operating this device at all? And the bigger > > >> >question, would you use it in your home system? Great to hear from you > my > > >> >friend! > > >> > > > >> >-Sam > > >> > > > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > > >== > > >> >===== > > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >> >resource. > > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > > >== > > >> ====== > > >> > > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > > >> ---------------------- > > >> To become a member and a shareholder > > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > ---------------------- > > To become a member and a shareholder > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 04:44:39 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:44:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike In-Reply-To: <06bf01c18371$7ee89780$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: except for the ribbon mic, of course....but, I would not want to try to use a ribbon mic for a high spl electric concert......for acoustic and vocals it is the best -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ribbon mike I'll take an RCA BK-11 any day of the week over any condenser or other mic, for accuracy & natural sound. Flat response & no constrained diaphragm artifacts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > If what you want is a mic that records what is being > played..accurately....scheops is the answer. A schoeps setup with a scheops > mic preamp is simply the best. I would take schoeps solid state mics over > vintage tube mics even. Unless I could afford the schoeps tube mics, of > course. > > Thanks for the tip; where can I find out about LOMO? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > > > Hi Carl! > > You should try older mics from LOMO. Tube ones or made just after tube era. > I'm prefer one with large diafragm over U48. Have to try Shoeps however. > I also have one set of Mikrotech Geffel but it's measuren mic apparently > copy > of B&K. Anyway, mics is the matter of personal preferences :-) > > Misha > > > >our experience with the condensor russian mics are that they are a decent > >value but don't expect the same kind of sound you would from a proper > german > >mic. > > > >carl > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 13 04:59:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:59:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ribbon mike References: Message-ID: <072601c1838a$80fbddc0$413442cf@sank1> A BK-11 would be perfectly safe recording a loud concert, as long as you don't use one close up on a drum or guitar amp. A pair to do a stereo recording, or one with a BK-5 for an M-S pair, will do just great. If the concert is really ear-splitting loud, though, I'd use a pair of BK-5's in a coincident pair configuration. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > except for the ribbon mic, of course....but, I would not want to try to use > a ribbon mic for a high spl electric concert......for acoustic and vocals it > is the best > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ribbon mike > > > I'll take an RCA BK-11 any day of the week over any condenser or other mic, > for accuracy & natural sound. Flat response & no constrained diaphragm > artifacts. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:14 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > > > > If what you want is a mic that records what is being > > played..accurately....scheops is the answer. A schoeps setup with a > scheops > > mic preamp is simply the best. I would take schoeps solid state mics over > > vintage tube mics even. Unless I could afford the schoeps tube mics, of > > course. > > > > Thanks for the tip; where can I find out about LOMO? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Michael Mironov > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:04 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ribbon mike > > > > > > Hi Carl! > > > > You should try older mics from LOMO. Tube ones or made just after tube > era. > > I'm prefer one with large diafragm over U48. Have to try Shoeps however. > > I also have one set of Mikrotech Geffel but it's measuren mic apparently > > copy > > of B&K. Anyway, mics is the matter of personal preferences :-) > > > > Misha > > > > > > >our experience with the condensor russian mics are that they are a decent > > >value but don't expect the same kind of sound you would from a proper > > german > > >mic. > > > > > >carl > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 05:14:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:14:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/12/2001 9:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Ole, I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume control. You lose bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your attenuate the signal. Jim Volpatti >> This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this digital eq works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? You run it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so that it can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD player? Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 08:09:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:09:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: Message-ID: <3C185426.64464A66@earthlink.net> The DSP8024 comes stock with only analog inputs and outputs. If you want to use it on all of your source (including your beloved Nakamichi cassette decks), patch it into the tape monitor or processor loop on your preamp or receiver. Keep in mind that you're converting a digital source's signal from digital to analog to digital to analog by using this configuration. For a digital only system, it's best to use the DSP8024's optional AES-EBU digital input and output (24 bit, 96 kHz) and take a non DVD-A or SACD digital output from your transport or CD player into the DSP8024 and then use the DSP8024's internal DAC. If you want to upsample the signal or have a DAC whose performance you prefer over the DSP8024's, take the digital output from the EQ and go into your preferred DAC. I know how much you all prefer the sound of analog (your Nakamichi cassette deck vs. a CD burner or DAT) and therefore doubt that you want to convert that beautiful, delicate analog signal to digital and back just to use an equalizer. I'm guessing that your money would be better spent on a good quality $900 analog EQ instead. Jim Volpatti > This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this digital eq > works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? You run > it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so that it > can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD player? > Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 13 08:24:39 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:24:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: Message-ID: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> First of all if your really curious you could just email Thorsten at ezee_e at hotmail.com he's a very nice guy who I am sure will answer your questions. But he was talking about setting the volume on your *preamp* at a high level roughly equal to peaks of 8volts (this is pro stuff which uses higher levels than consumer stuff) which rules out a cd player direct (normally around 2 volts peak) unless its a theta (which can put out 7 volts) but if your going to just use the cd player and no tape deck then use the digital out and bypass at least one d/a conversion or use a preamp with the gain set high and then power amps with volume controls to set the actual volume level Behringer also have a tube based parametric eq that might be interesting http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm HTH warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > In a message dated 12/12/2001 9:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Ole, > > I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume control. > You lose > bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your attenuate the > signal. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this digital eq > works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? You run > it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so that it > can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD player? > Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 09:01:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:01:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C186061.2D1B5828@earthlink.net> Very interesting, Warren. I'm looking for a analog parametric EQ (I don't want to convert from A to D or visa versa unnecessarily) that doesn't change the overall sound, just diminish or accentuate the chosen frequencies. Most of the tube EQs I'm aware of add warmth and sweetness. As nice as this may be, it's not true to the input signal. I notice that this Behringer has an "Ultratube Circuit" that is adjustable between "cold" and "warm" and can be bypassed. Interesting. Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > Behringer also have a tube based parametric eq that might be interesting > http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm > > HTH > warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Dec 13 09:23:30 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:23:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - answer to George Message-ID: <7E94B39B.695924E9.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, George, In fact your point is quite clear and I tend to agree with it. The problem is that in an E-mail conference (as I suppose Naktalk is the one) the subject line indicates a thread and it is naturally for somebody to look for the particular subject line he (or she) wants to follow. The discussin is often drifted in an unexpected direction so everybody soon would be confused what is reply to what. Another option could be to cite the initial message but here we have already heard the fair objections of the people who do not want to download lengthy messages to their computers just to know they do not need them actually. So my suggestion is as follows: keep the initial topic in the subject line intact possibly adding some short comments indicating the drifting of the discussion. Plus cite only if this is really necessary and not the whole message but the phrases which just help to understand the conformity between questions and answers. Any comments and additions are welcome. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 13 09:31:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:31:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C185426.64464A66@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a001c183b0$82492900$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> I'm guessing that your > money would be better spent on a good quality $900 analog EQ instead. > > Jim Volpatti Which maybe true but the behringer w/o mic is only $400.00 from Mars music in the states Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 09:43:24 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:43:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001b01c183b2$39fd3f40$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Warren, interesting you should mention the Behringer T1951 eq. It's on christmas sale here in DK for 250 $. Just go grab it. Now there's the dilemma: you don't want to mess your nice analog signal by an extra a/d, d/a converting (that's one of the reasons to stay true to Naks of course). But , and this I think Thorsten Loersch is adressing this in his review, you don't want your signal messed up in a big way by the room you're sitting in, and he found out how much the room influences the sound during this review. My instinct tells me that if Thorsten can commit this kind of Heresy - surrounded by tube amps, full range horn speakers, homemade exotic cables, record- rather than cd-players and so on..... well, so can I. I allready have heard the Tact Audio room correction and read reviews of other room correction devices. They all rave, but complain about the impossible pricetags. Here's a unit that seems to do the same trick as the other room corrections but at a much lower price. - I'll let you know how goes; but I'm just going to check the used gear lists to see if the 8024 unit is piling up there! Thanks Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > First of all if your really curious you could just email > Thorsten at ezee_e at hotmail.com > he's a very nice guy who I am sure will answer your > questions. > But he was talking about setting the volume on your > *preamp* at a high level roughly equal to peaks of 8volts > (this is pro stuff which uses higher levels than consumer stuff) > which rules out a cd player direct (normally around 2 volts peak) > unless its a theta (which can put out 7 volts) > but if your going to just use the cd player and no tape deck > then use the digital out and bypass at least one d/a conversion > or use a preamp with the gain set high and then power amps > with volume controls to set the actual volume level > > Behringer also have a tube based parametric eq that might be interesting > http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm > > HTH > warren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2001 9:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << Ole, > > > > I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume > control. > > You lose > > bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your attenuate > the > > signal. > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this digital > eq > > works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? You > run > > it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so that > it > > can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD player? > > Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 10:02:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:02:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> <001b01c183b2$39fd3f40$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <3C186E8B.CFF32A22@earthlink.net> Both the TacT and the SigTech room correction devices work in both the time and frequency domains. Very different from the Behringer and Z-Systems units, which are basically just digital EQs. Jim Volpatti ole thofte wrote: > Here's > a unit that seems to do the same trick as the other room corrections but at > a much lower price. - I'll let you know how goes; but I'm just going to > check the used gear lists to see if the 8024 unit is piling up there! > Thanks Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 13 10:34:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:34:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> <001b01c183b2$39fd3f40$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <079301c183b9$6c73c780$413442cf@sank1> I've got to chime in just a bit here about Behringer. This is a company that has made a living stealing design concepts, and often designs entirely, from other companies. This is reprehensible business practice. But, more importantly, everything I have ever seen them make has been of very poor component & build quality, especially compared to the products they are cloning. *Maybe* I'd marginally trust a digital eq to be acceptable from Behringer, if I wanted such a thing, since such are largely DSP chips & little else, leaving not much to be screwed up by cost cutting. BUT, no way I would ever trust them to build any sort of analog gear to acceptable standards of quality & reliability. No way. If you want to have fun, go to rec.audio.pro newsgroup & post a message with the subject line something like, "Behringer is a great & innovative company", and be prepared to be flamed like you've never seen. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Warren, > interesting you should mention the Behringer T1951 eq. It's on christmas > sale here in DK for 250 $. Just go grab it. Now there's the dilemma: you > don't want to mess your nice analog signal by an extra a/d, d/a converting > (that's one of the reasons to stay true to Naks of course). But , and this I > think Thorsten Loersch is adressing this in his review, you don't want your > signal messed up in a big way by the room you're sitting in, and he found > out how much the room influences the sound during this review. My instinct > tells me that if Thorsten can commit this kind of Heresy - surrounded by > tube amps, full range horn speakers, homemade exotic cables, record- rather > than cd-players and so on..... well, so can I. I allready have heard the > Tact Audio room correction and read reviews of other room correction > devices. They all rave, but complain about the impossible pricetags. Here's > a unit that seems to do the same trick as the other room corrections but at > a much lower price. - I'll let you know how goes; but I'm just going to > check the used gear lists to see if the 8024 unit is piling up there! > Thanks Ole > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > First of all if your really curious you could just email > > Thorsten at ezee_e at hotmail.com > > he's a very nice guy who I am sure will answer your > > questions. > > But he was talking about setting the volume on your > > *preamp* at a high level roughly equal to peaks of 8volts > > (this is pro stuff which uses higher levels than consumer stuff) > > which rules out a cd player direct (normally around 2 volts peak) > > unless its a theta (which can put out 7 volts) > > but if your going to just use the cd player and no tape deck > > then use the digital out and bypass at least one d/a conversion > > or use a preamp with the gain set high and then power amps > > with volume controls to set the actual volume level > > > > Behringer also have a tube based parametric eq that might be interesting > > http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm > > > > HTH > > warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2001 9:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << Ole, > > > > > > I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume > > control. > > > You lose > > > bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your attenuate > > the > > > signal. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this digital > > eq > > > works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? > You > > run > > > it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so > that > > it > > > can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD > player? > > > Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Dec 13 10:51:28 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Accuphase Message-ID: <0AB0113E.53647550.032C04E1@netscape.net> Did anybody have any experience with Accuphase Digital Voicing Equalizer DG-28? http://www.accuphase.com/dg-28_e.htm Regards, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:10:30 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:10:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - answer to George Message-ID: Works for me. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC - answer to George Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:23:30 -0500 Hi, George, In fact your point is quite clear and I tend to agree with it. The problem is that in an E-mail conference (as I suppose Naktalk is the one) the subject line indicates a thread and it is naturally for somebody to look for the particular subject line he (or she) wants to follow. The discussin is often drifted in an unexpected direction so everybody soon would be confused what is reply to what. Another option could be to cite the initial message but here we have already heard the fair objections of the people who do not want to download lengthy messages to their computers just to know they do not need them actually. So my suggestion is as follows: keep the initial topic in the subject line intact possibly adding some short comments indicating the drifting of the discussion. Plus cite only if this is really necessary and not the whole message but the phrases which just help to understand the conformity between questions and answers. Any comments and additions are welcome. Regards, Nicholas. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 11:10:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:10:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <00c901c183a7$3a37d840$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> <001b01c183b2$39fd3f40$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> <079301c183b9$6c73c780$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C187E9B.9BD3578B@earthlink.net> I was wondering about Behringer quality. I found the DSP8024 online for $399 and the T1951 for $319, brand new!! The T1951 sure looks sweet too... Oh well. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I've got to chime in just a bit here about Behringer. This is a company > that has made a living stealing design concepts, and often designs entirely, > from other companies. This is reprehensible business practice. But, more > importantly, everything I have ever seen them make has been of very poor > component & build quality, especially compared to the products they are > cloning. > *Maybe* I'd marginally trust a digital eq to be acceptable from Behringer, > if I wanted such a thing, since such are largely DSP chips & little else, > leaving not much to be screwed up by cost cutting. BUT, no way I would ever > trust them to build any sort of analog gear to acceptable standards of > quality & reliability. No way. > If you want to have fun, go to rec.audio.pro newsgroup & post a message with > the subject line something like, "Behringer is a great & innovative > company", and be prepared to be flamed like you've never seen. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ole thofte" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > Warren, > > interesting you should mention the Behringer T1951 eq. It's on christmas > > sale here in DK for 250 $. Just go grab it. Now there's the dilemma: you > > don't want to mess your nice analog signal by an extra a/d, d/a converting > > (that's one of the reasons to stay true to Naks of course). But , and this > I > > think Thorsten Loersch is adressing this in his review, you don't want > your > > signal messed up in a big way by the room you're sitting in, and he found > > out how much the room influences the sound during this review. My instinct > > tells me that if Thorsten can commit this kind of Heresy - surrounded by > > tube amps, full range horn speakers, homemade exotic cables, record- > rather > > than cd-players and so on..... well, so can I. I allready have heard the > > Tact Audio room correction and read reviews of other room correction > > devices. They all rave, but complain about the impossible pricetags. > Here's > > a unit that seems to do the same trick as the other room corrections but > at > > a much lower price. - I'll let you know how goes; but I'm just going to > > check the used gear lists to see if the 8024 unit is piling up there! > > Thanks Ole > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Warren" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > First of all if your really curious you could just email > > > Thorsten at ezee_e at hotmail.com > > > he's a very nice guy who I am sure will answer your > > > questions. > > > But he was talking about setting the volume on your > > > *preamp* at a high level roughly equal to peaks of 8volts > > > (this is pro stuff which uses higher levels than consumer stuff) > > > which rules out a cd player direct (normally around 2 volts peak) > > > unless its a theta (which can put out 7 volts) > > > but if your going to just use the cd player and no tape deck > > > then use the digital out and bypass at least one d/a conversion > > > or use a preamp with the gain set high and then power amps > > > with volume controls to set the actual volume level > > > > > > Behringer also have a tube based parametric eq that might be interesting > > > http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm > > > > > > HTH > > > warren > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2001 9:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Ole, > > > > > > > > I think Thorsten was referring to using the internal digital volume > > > control. > > > > You lose > > > > bits (resolution) through any digital volume control as your > attenuate > > > the > > > > signal. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > This is getting complicated. So let me get this straight - this > digital > > > eq > > > > works great, but you need to run it through all digital connections? > > You > > > run > > > > it between your source and preamp, but how do you connect in-line so > > that > > > it > > > > can be used with all of your source components and not just the CD > > player? > > > > Maybe I rushed through the emails, but you guys just lost me. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 11:14:29 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:14:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C187F85.12D13437@earthlink.net> So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric EQs for less than $1500? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Dec 13 11:53:54 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:53:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers In-Reply-To: <3C187F85.12D13437@earthlink.net> References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> At 12/13/01, you wrote: >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric EQs >for less than >$1500? > >Jim Volpatti ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ashly http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 ART http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ Rane (about $450) http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 13 17:57:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:57:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <3C187F85.12D13437@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C18DDDC.6F4B58E0@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric EQs for less than > $1500? > > Jim Volpatti Rane? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 18:18:31 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:18:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Accuphase References: <0AB0113E.53647550.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001d01c183fa$301304e0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> No! I wish I had though - I'll bet this one is at least 10K $ - but just the looks makes your teeth water. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Accuphase > Did anybody have any experience with Accuphase Digital Voicing Equalizer DG-28? > > http://www.accuphase.com/dg-28_e.htm > > Regards, > > Nicholas. > -- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Dec 13 18:22:55 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:55 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011213.122302.7828.4647@wm9.jersey.juno.com> Hi guys, Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 13 18:36:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:36:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <3C185426.64464A66@earthlink.net> <01a001c183b0$82492900$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C18E715.86AAB882@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > I'm guessing that your > > money would be better spent on a good quality $900 analog EQ instead. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Which maybe true but the behringer w/o mic is only $400.00 from Mars > music in the states > Warren Has anyone actually heard the Behringer DSP-8024 in a home system setting? How does it sound? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Dec 13 19:03:37 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:03:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? References: Message-ID: <3C18ED77.8FDB6B18@pacbell.net> Isn't that the benefit of a parametric eq? When one makes changes on a given octave, the others are not affected? Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:59:56 AM Central Standard Time, > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > << The key to making an equalizer work with minimal damage > is to keep the changes between adjacent sliders as low as > possible - not more than 3 dB if possible. The higher the rate > of change, the more you introduce phase anomalies. If the > speakers and the room are good, you should need little or no > EQ. > > ________________ Marc Stager >> > > Hi Everyone, > > Given this latest discussion of eq's, I need to ask a baby question. What > exactly do you mean by phase "shifts" and anomalies? If you'd prefer, you > can respond offline from NakTalkers. Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 18:59:06 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:59:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers In-Reply-To: <3C18DDDC.6F4B58E0@concentric.net> Message-ID: BSR!!! hehehehehe Alex Cagann > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > parametric EQs for less than > > $1500? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Dec 13 19:41:42 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:41:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.122302.7828.4647@wm9.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <3C18F663.3FAFC094@pacbell.net> Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just bought a haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, replaced, worx like a champ! Good Luck Brian Stocker josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 19:33:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:33:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <8c.10f4b8a3.294a4e6e@aol.com> Thank you Jim, Your explanation was right on target. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 19:35:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:35:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> Thanks Marc. Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my stereo system. The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. Stephen, I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do you think of their circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just marketing hype but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer T1951 makes sense to me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric EQs > >for less than > >$1500? > > > >Jim Volpatti > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ashly > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > ART > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > Rane (about $450) > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 19:37:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:37:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <16c.59bac9c.294a4f86@aol.com> In a message dated 12/13/2001 1:28:23 AM Central Standard Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/vintager/t1951.htm >> Tube eq? If you're going to go that route, I'd recommend trying to find a TelRay tube compressor/expander or an old 100 lbs+ Fairchild tube Compressor. As I understand those vintage broadcast/studio components are unmatched even in today's world. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 19:45:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:45:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <14.1f45819f.294a5141@aol.com> Hi Ole and All, My only problem with Thorsten's review of the 8024 is that it appears this is not a "plug-and-play" unit. Once he set it up by his listening station and began making corrections for particular songs, he lost me. IMHO that's to much work. Do you intend to also correct every song you play with this eq? And a larger question for the group, how would the 8024 compare with the computerized DBX 20/20 eq for strictly room correction? On the surface, it appears as if the DBX unit will do everything the 8024 will minus the A/D-to-D/A conversion issues as the DBX is all analogue. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 13 20:06:54 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:06:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <028401c18409$54b98120$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> I'll admit I haven't heard this product but it was recomended by the guy who invented mlssa http://www.northernsound.net/Sales/processing/equalizers/kt/eqs.html the dn410 dual channel 5 band parametric is 1290 street he uses it in a high end surround system http://www.mlssa.com/surround/surround3.htm he also recomends the use of the Yamaha YDP2006 but its digital anyone else heard of klark teknik/ Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 13 20:32:14 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:32:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.122302.7828.4647@wm9.jersey.juno.com> <3C18F663.3FAFC094@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <013c01c1840c$de7729f0$87756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I just got another ReVox B760 FM Tuner shipped from Germany. Switched voltage and de-emphasis, plugged in and everything works! An ebay story for Christmas. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just bought a haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, replaced, worx like a champ! > > Good Luck > > Brian Stocker > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 20:44:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:44:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <147.64273cf.294a5f1c@aol.com> In a message dated 12/13/2001 1:35:49 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I just got another ReVox B760 FM Tuner shipped from Germany. Switched voltage and de-emphasis, plugged in and everything works! An ebay story for Christmas. John >> I should hang with you guys more often. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 20:47:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:47:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <028401c18409$54b98120$33e83fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1905E0.268ACE36@earthlink.net> Ahhh, Klark Teknik. Now there's a brand I'd completely forgotten about (I've been away from the recording studio for too long!). Their stuff is extremely well made. I would be using it conjunction with my mlssa system to correct some of the anomalies of my listening room. Thanks Warren. = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > I'll admit I haven't heard this product but it was recomended by > the guy who invented mlssa > > http://www.northernsound.net/Sales/processing/equalizers/kt/eqs.html > the dn410 dual channel 5 band parametric is 1290 street > > he uses it in a high end surround system > http://www.mlssa.com/surround/surround3.htm > > he also recomends the use of the Yamaha YDP2006 but its digital > > anyone else heard of klark teknik/ > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: 13 December 2001 06:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just bought a haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, replaced, worx like a champ! Good Luck Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 21:21:20 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:21:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I HAVE THE WORST LUCK In-Reply-To: <001701c18410$32a4f860$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20011213202120.81686.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> I got a non working RX-202 with the power cord cut off from a guy on eBay for $46 (plus shipping). I put a new power cord on, replaced a LM7805 5V regulator and the idler tire and now it works great. BTW - Dalbani no longer carries belts and tires. I called them just the other day and they no longer have the idler tires for the non-gear idler BX, MR and RX-202 decks. I going to try a different source next week. I'll post a message is that source pans out. SJ --- Graham Nelson wrote: > Heh! heh! Nice one, Brian! > > (A pal of mine bought a "not working" VHS machine at > a garage sale for a > Pound, not working in that the picture was > "distorted" ... he took it home, > wired it up to his TV and .... ahem! .... simply > adjusted the tuning, as you > do, and got a lovely picture and sound !!!) > > Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: 13 December 2001 06:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, > observe. I just bought a > haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown > fuse, replaced, worx like > a champ! > > Good Luck > > Brian Stocker > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 22:12:10 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:12:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers References: <14.1f45819f.294a5141@aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c1841a$d4281fa0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Well, I'm not going to correct everything I listen to, but mostly work the overall room resonances . My excuse is that roomcorrection is an old issue for me and now I'll move on it. I've ordered a unit at an OK price. I'll report my experiences to you. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Hi Ole and All, > > My only problem with Thorsten's review of the 8024 is that it appears this is > not a "plug-and-play" unit. Once he set it up by his listening station and > began making corrections for particular songs, he lost me. IMHO that's to > much work. Do you intend to also correct every song you play with this eq? > And a larger question for the group, how would the 8024 compare with the > computerized DBX 20/20 eq for strictly room correction? On the surface, it > appears as if the DBX unit will do everything the 8024 will minus the > A/D-to-D/A conversion issues as the DBX is all analogue. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Dec 13 22:23:02 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:23:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213202120.81686.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C191C2A.95006249@pacbell.net> Here's the best 1 of all. I bought a pair of very expensive speakers and the seller said 1 did not work. took em home, wired and fired and they work perfectly. So, I am not a tech but am never afraid of digging in. I learn so much by just tearing 'em apart and poking around with my little multimeter. But, beware, always use crummy little speakers when hooking up to an amp. DC will kill the speakers before you have a chance to power down. Dont worry Sank and Galin, we won't put you outta business. Brian Stocker Scott Johnson wrote: > I got a non working RX-202 with the power cord cut off > from a guy on eBay for $46 (plus shipping). I put a > new power cord on, replaced a LM7805 5V regulator and > the idler tire and now it works great. > > BTW - Dalbani no longer carries belts and tires. I > called them just the other day and they no longer have > the idler tires for the non-gear idler BX, MR and > RX-202 decks. I going to try a different source next > week. I'll post a message is that source pans out. > > SJ > > --- Graham Nelson > wrote: > > Heh! heh! Nice one, Brian! > > > > (A pal of mine bought a "not working" VHS machine at > > a garage sale for a > > Pound, not working in that the picture was > > "distorted" ... he took it home, > > wired it up to his TV and .... ahem! .... simply > > adjusted the tuning, as you > > do, and got a lovely picture and sound !!!) > > > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > britri at pacbell.net > > Sent: 13 December 2001 06:42 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, > > observe. I just bought a > > haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown > > fuse, replaced, worx like > > a champ! > > > > Good Luck > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 22:16:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:16:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers Message-ID: <110.a10fd1a.294a7497@aol.com> In a message dated 12/13/2001 3:14:30 PM Central Standard Time, ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk writes: << Well, I'm not going to correct everything I listen to, but mostly work the overall room resonances . My excuse is that roomcorrection is an old issue for me and now I'll move on it. I've ordered a unit at an OK price. I'll report my experiences to you. Ole >> Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Thu Dec 13 22:30:18 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:30:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK - VHS bad manuals References: <001701c18410$32a4f860$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005201c1841d$5ccc5ea0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> It also says something about the terribly bad manuals for these machines. I heard of an experiment where 3 professors from the enginearing high school had 1 hour to learn to set up a tv-set correctly using the manual. 2 of the guys didn't make it in 1 hour. Many people give up and don't use all technical possibilities in their equipment. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > Heh! heh! Nice one, Brian! > > (A pal of mine bought a "not working" VHS machine at a garage sale for a > Pound, not working in that the picture was "distorted" ... he took it home, > wired it up to his TV and .... ahem! .... simply adjusted the tuning, as you > do, and got a lovely picture and sound !!!) > > Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: 13 December 2001 06:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just bought a > haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, replaced, worx like > a champ! > > Good Luck > > Brian Stocker > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 13 23:21:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:21:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK - VHS bad manuals In-Reply-To: <005201c1841d$5ccc5ea0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <001f01c18424$71fa4240$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> V true, Ole. Very true. These manuals are 2nd only to computer software manuals ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 13 December 2001 09:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK - VHS bad manuals It also says something about the terribly bad manuals for these machines. I heard of an experiment where 3 professors from the enginearing high school had 1 hour to learn to set up a tv-set correctly using the manual. 2 of the guys didn't make it in 1 hour. Many people give up and don't use all technical possibilities in their equipment. Ole ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Dec 14 00:03:08 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:03:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK - VHS bad manuals References: <001f01c18424$71fa4240$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C19339C.44DA154F@pacbell.net> When you are looking at a 50 page book that begins with safety instructions that, if you did not know how to follow, probably should not have driven the car to pick the sucker up, who wants to read 'em. Seems lately that most manual publishers start off with the no doubt government required safety s^%t and then go into the "quick start" chapter. So you get the thing fired up and begin to enjoy it. Later, once the excitement has worn off, you might read the fine print. Most of us nakers, who know everything about electronics, find it a challenge to fire it up without ever reading the manual! I do happychristmas/hannakah, ramadan (sp?), etc Brian Stocker Graham Nelson wrote: > V true, Ole. Very true. These manuals are 2nd only to computer software > manuals ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 13 December 2001 09:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK - VHS bad manuals > > It also says something about the terribly bad manuals for these machines. I > heard of an experiment where 3 professors from the enginearing high school > had 1 hour to learn to set up a tv-set correctly using the manual. 2 of the > guys didn't make it in 1 hour. Many people give up and don't use all > technical possibilities in their equipment. > Ole > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 14 00:19:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:19:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <3C16714D.855DD49F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C19377E.D82EDAE9@concentric.net> 10^6 f= --------- 2*PI*R*C Where f is the frequency where the response is 6 db down, PI=3.1416, R is the driving device output impedance in ohms and C is the total load capacitance in uF (cable capacitance plus in put capacitance of the driven device). As frequency increases, the attenuation is 6 db/Octave. This is somewhat simplified. For example, it assumes the driven device input impedance is infinite, which, of course, it isn't. As you can see, if the output impedance is low enough, the turnover frequency is too high to matter. For example, if the output impedance is 100 ohms (high quality preamp) and the cable capacitance is 75 pF (6 ft of high quality interconnect), the turnover frequency is way, way, way over the audio range. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Interesting. > > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss when input and output impedance > and cable capacitance are known? > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree completely. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > > > > > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... > > > > > > > > I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output > > > > impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and > > > > definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input > > > > impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively > > > > higher than 10Kohms). > > > > > > Sorry for not being clear. By mismatch, I meant an > > > amplifier input impedance divided by preamp output > > > impedance which yields less than 10. > > > > OK, thanks for clarifying. In general, you'd want the > > amp input impedance to be much higher than the preamp > > output impedance in order not to load the preamp. The > > filter that attenuates higher frequencies is made out > > of the preamp output impedance and the cable total > > capacitance. > > > > > > > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > > > > > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > > > > > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > > > > > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > > > > > high quality. > > > > > > > > Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also > > > > attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low > > > > output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am > > > > correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable > > > > capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. > > > > > > All of my current preamps have an output impedance of > > > 100 ohms or less. My amplifiers have a minimum rated > > > input impedance of 47 Kohm. > > > > Thanks for posting. The low output impedance is the key > > to this performance. At 100 ohm, it would take about > > 0.75uF to attenuate 20KHz to -6db. 50ft of a good cable > > (say, 20pF/ft for a total of 0.001uF) should attenuate > > by a small fraction of 1db. Should indeed be inaudible. > > > > > > Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, > > > > comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, > > > > then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal > > > > never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck > > > > and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to > > > > traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill > > > > thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high > > > > output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was > > > > that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could > > > > hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I > > > > thought I could easily tell the difference...). > > > > > > Makes me wonder what your preamp tape monitor input > > > impedance was. > > > > It's 47Kohms. The CR-7 certainly has no problem driving it. > > However, I expected the CR-7 2.2Kohm output impedance, in > > conjunction with the long cable, to show some high frequency > > attenuation. It probably does, just not enough to be > > audible with program material. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 00:40:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:40:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <3C16714D.855DD49F@earthlink.net> <3C19377E.D82EDAE9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C193C6A.A6D13B59@earthlink.net> Thanks Ron. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > 10^6 > f= --------- > 2*PI*R*C > > Where f is the frequency where the response is 6 db > down, PI=3.1416, R is the driving device output > impedance in ohms and C is the total load capacitance > in uF (cable capacitance plus in put capacitance of the > driven device). As frequency increases, the attenuation > is 6 db/Octave. > > This is somewhat simplified. For example, it assumes > the driven device input impedance is infinite, which, > of course, it isn't. > > As you can see, if the output impedance is low enough, > the turnover frequency is too high to matter. > > For example, if the output impedance is 100 ohms (high > quality preamp) and the cable capacitance is 75 pF (6 > ft of high quality interconnect), the turnover frequency > is way, way, way over the audio range. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Interesting. > > > > What is the formula for figuring high frequency loss when input and output impedance > > and cable capacitance are known? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, one must make sure that there are no impedance > > > > > > mismatches between the amp and preamp ... > > > > > > > > > > I hope there is a large mismatch. The preamp output > > > > > impedance would ideally be lower than 100 ohms (and > > > > > definitely lower than about 600 ohms). The amp input > > > > > impedance should be higher than 50Kohm (and positively > > > > > higher than 10Kohms). > > > > > > > > Sorry for not being clear. By mismatch, I meant an > > > > amplifier input impedance divided by preamp output > > > > impedance which yields less than 10. > > > > > > OK, thanks for clarifying. In general, you'd want the > > > amp input impedance to be much higher than the preamp > > > output impedance in order not to load the preamp. The > > > filter that attenuates higher frequencies is made out > > > of the preamp output impedance and the cable total > > > capacitance. > > > > > > > > > I use a 50' interconnect between my line stage and amplifier > > > > > > and then 8' speaker cables. I've A/B the long interconnect > > > > > > cable against a one meter length of the same cable and could > > > > > > hear zero difference. Keep in mind that this cable is very > > > > > > high quality. > > > > > > > > > > Meaning, low capacitance. But, frankly, I would also > > > > > attribute such stellar performance to the preamp low > > > > > output impedance. I am curious as to whether I am > > > > > correct in this assumption -- would you post the cable > > > > > capacitance and the preamp output impedance? Thanx. > > > > > > > > All of my current preamps have an output impedance of > > > > 100 ohms or less. My amplifiers have a minimum rated > > > > input impedance of 47 Kohm. > > > > > > Thanks for posting. The low output impedance is the key > > > to this performance. At 100 ohm, it would take about > > > 0.75uF to attenuate 20KHz to -6db. 50ft of a good cable > > > (say, 20pF/ft for a total of 0.001uF) should attenuate > > > by a small fraction of 1db. Should indeed be inaudible. > > > > > > > > Several months ago, I posted results of a test I ran, > > > > > comparing playing through a tape loop (preamp to deck, > > > > > then back to preamp) vs. bypassing the loop (the signal > > > > > never leaving the preamp) . The distance between the deck > > > > > and preamp was 12ft. - 15ft. and the signal had to > > > > > traverse it twice. The cable was a run of the mill > > > > > thin coax and the key issue was the deck's very high > > > > > output impedance of 2.2Kohms. Well, the upshot was > > > > > that none of the listeners (the test was blind) could > > > > > hear a difference. I was amazed (especially, since I > > > > > thought I could easily tell the difference...). > > > > > > > > Makes me wonder what your preamp tape monitor input > > > > impedance was. > > > > > > It's 47Kohms. The CR-7 certainly has no problem driving it. > > > However, I expected the CR-7 2.2Kohm output impedance, in > > > conjunction with the long cable, to show some high frequency > > > attenuation. It probably does, just not enough to be > > > audible with program material. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 14 01:30:55 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:30:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011213.193055.-982383.1.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Brian. I actually just unearthed some info from the archives on usenet. Turns out another guy had this same problem with a 535 back in 1997: POST: Got this from a friend at work. It has 2 blown (4 amp fuses) on the Right side. RESPONSE: Simply open the amp up with a screwdriver.. take the fuses out go to a local electronics place (or radio shack) buy the EXACT same fuse drop it in problem solved.. I know I have this exact same amp.. how I blew my fuses was removing the speaker wire while listening to the amp.. (not a smart Idea I know) and accidently letting the + & - terminals touch.. POP!!! replaced the fuses problem solved.. If the fuses blow again, then you may have to carefully consider what to do with the amp. From my experience, the most common cause of blown fuses in an amp is blown output transistors. Well, I may have inadvertantly left the amp on while removing the cable from the right speaker, in turn blowing the fuses in the right channel. So it may be as simple as replacing the fuses. However, the way my luck runs, it's probably the output transistors, which probably cost more than the whole amp did! I'll hit Radio Shack, pick up some fuses, and give it a shot. I guess I have nothing to lose (except the cost of the fuses). BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking at it? - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:41:42 -0800 britri at pacbell.net writes: > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just > bought a haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, > replaced, worx like a champ! > > Good Luck > > Brian Stocker > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from > my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right > speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right > speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel > was still out. > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the > right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I > should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). > Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 14 02:24:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:24:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK In-Reply-To: <20011213.193055.-982383.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <003601c1843e$19bdea40$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> Joe If it's a clear glass fuse you'll see the fuse wire inside the fuse either isn't there anymore or it'll be broken. Graham BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking at it? - Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 14 03:12:16 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:12:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011213.211216.-955883.1.josephj69@juno.com> Graham, I took the top cover off and I can find a total of four fuses inside the unit, two for each channel. They are indeed clear glass fuses. The label says "replace only with type 4A 250 V fuses." However, they all have a wire inside, and none of them appears to be broken. The only thing that looks different is that the wire one of the four fuses appears to be mis-shapen. The other three are in a straight line, this one is bent in the middle, but not broken. The bent fuse is in what I believe to be the right channel - the channel that is out. Should I bother to replace this fuse, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely? Thanks, Joe On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:24:39 -0000 "Graham Nelson" writes: Joe If it's a clear glass fuse you'll see the fuse wire inside the fuse either isn't there anymore or it'll be broken. Graham BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking at it? - Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 03:34:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:34:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213202120.81686.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <082901c18447$dc5b4d00$413442cf@sank1> The idler tires are still available from www.mcmelectronics.com under stock #32-5665, for three times what Dalbani got for them. That's still only 45 cents each, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > I got a non working RX-202 with the power cord cut off > from a guy on eBay for $46 (plus shipping). I put a > new power cord on, replaced a LM7805 5V regulator and > the idler tire and now it works great. > > BTW - Dalbani no longer carries belts and tires. I > called them just the other day and they no longer have > the idler tires for the non-gear idler BX, MR and > RX-202 decks. I going to try a different source next > week. I'll post a message is that source pans out. > > SJ > > > > --- Graham Nelson > wrote: > > Heh! heh! Nice one, Brian! > > > > (A pal of mine bought a "not working" VHS machine at > > a garage sale for a > > Pound, not working in that the picture was > > "distorted" ... he took it home, > > wired it up to his TV and .... ahem! .... simply > > adjusted the tuning, as you > > do, and got a lovely picture and sound !!!) > > > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > britri at pacbell.net > > Sent: 13 December 2001 06:42 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, > > observe. I just bought a > > haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown > > fuse, replaced, worx like > > a champ! > > > > Good Luck > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 03:35:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.122302.7828.4647@wm9.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <083101c18447$f71b7200$413442cf@sank1> Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find blown fuses to be the only problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > Hi guys, > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Joe > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 03:37:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:37:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design from Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they make. If not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Thanks Marc. > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my stereo system. > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > Stephen, > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do you think of their > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just marketing hype > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer T1951 makes sense to > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric EQs > > >for less than > > >$1500? > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Ashly > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > > > ART > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > > > Rane (about $450) > > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 03:40:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:40:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - DBX References: <14.1f45819f.294a5141@aol.com> Message-ID: <083f01c18448$c3318a00$413442cf@sank1> The DBX 20/20 topped my list of EQ's, despite it's age, because it is the only EQ I have ever heard that had low enough phase shift so as not to be noticeable by phase-sensitive people like me. It's also very cool for room equalising, being automatic and all. Maybe not transparent sound by today's standards, but it has definite potential for big improvements with component upgrading. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > Hi Ole and All, > > My only problem with Thorsten's review of the 8024 is that it appears this is > not a "plug-and-play" unit. Once he set it up by his listening station and > began making corrections for particular songs, he lost me. IMHO that's to > much work. Do you intend to also correct every song you play with this eq? > And a larger question for the group, how would the 8024 compare with the > computerized DBX 20/20 eq for strictly room correction? On the surface, it > appears as if the DBX unit will do everything the 8024 will minus the > A/D-to-D/A conversion issues as the DBX is all analogue. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 14 03:38:53 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:38:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011213.213854.-955883.2.josephj69@juno.com> Hey Stephen, I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can find wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass fuses is only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could be??? - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find > blown > fuses to be the only problem. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > quickly > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was > not > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked > up the > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > interconnects and > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > suddenly out > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set > of > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > this amp, > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check > inside the > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending > it off > to Stephen for repair? > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Dec 14 03:43:12 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:43:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011213.214312.-955883.3.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, my mistake . . . After looking VERY carefully under a bright lamp at the "misshapen" filament inside my glass fuse, I now see that there is, indeed, a tiny break in the filament at the point where it's bent. I sincerily hope a trip to Radio Shack is all I need. Thanks for the support, guys. - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find > blown > fuses to be the only problem. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > quickly > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was > not > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked > up the > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > interconnects and > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > suddenly out > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set > of > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > this amp, > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check > inside the > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending > it off > to Stephen for repair? > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 04:06:23 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:06:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK In-Reply-To: <20011213.214312.-955883.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: It probably is for a gfa535; had the same problem. My friend was ready to sell his for 60 because it lost a channel. I told him I'd buy it sight unseen for 100; he knows me so he thought better of it and opened it up and checked the fuse....that was it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Okay, my mistake . . . After looking VERY carefully under a bright lamp at the "misshapen" filament inside my glass fuse, I now see that there is, indeed, a tiny break in the filament at the point where it's bent. I sincerily hope a trip to Radio Shack is all I need. Thanks for the support, guys. - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find > blown > fuses to be the only problem. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > quickly > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was > not > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked > up the > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > interconnects and > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > suddenly out > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set > of > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > this amp, > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check > inside the > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending > it off > to Stephen for repair? > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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I wonder whether I miss some nak posts. Would be nice to hear best / worst nak findings .... :-) My worst is getting a mint 682zx inside and out - case never opened before - but with so many spurious problems that even with new head it sounds worse than 482. Close-to-best-find was that 482 ... which started the old nak chapter of my life. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Brian. I actually just unearthed some > info from the archives on usenet. Turns out another guy had this same > problem with a 535 back in 1997: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Dec 14 05:08:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:08:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.193055.-982383.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C197B3D.E7389C55@pacbell.net> Your luck might be so bad. Typically there are accessible fuses on the outside of the amp, then there are fuses inside that have more to do with the power going to the output stage. Some amps which are of a high build quality will hang tough on close to a dead short and others will fry if presented with< 2-3 ohms across the terminals. You probably just made a mistake that, in the presence of blown fuses in the signal path, will be easily corrected. The worse amps I have come across, if you can call em amps are the 1's Stephen was referring to that, I think, combine the driver and the amp in this big, ugly, chip. Darlington stk00????? rings a bell. They are the most unforgiving and worst sounding hunks of silicon I have heard and are becoming more difficult to purchase inexpensively. I am sure you don't have these, but there were so many amps made with these poor outputs that most consumers probably just toss 'em. I have purchased so many with so much white gunk around them that it looked like the servicer was trying to caulk a bathtub. If the fuses keep blowing, just wrap some aluminum foil around 'em (just kidding) Brian Stocker (the open 'em up and see what makes 'em tick guy) josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Brian. I actually just unearthed > some info from the archives on usenet. Turns out another guy had this > same problem with a 535 back in 1997: POST: Got this from a friend at > work. It has 2 blown (4 amp fuses) on the Right > side. RESPONSE: Simply open the amp up with a > screwdriver.. take the fuses out go to a local > electronics place (or radio shack) buy the EXACT same > fuse drop it in problem solved.. > > I know I have this exact same amp.. how I blew my > fuses was removing the speaker wire while listening to > the amp.. (not a smart Idea I know) and accidently > letting the + & - terminals touch.. POP!!! replaced the > fuses problem solved.. If the fuses blow > again, then you may have to carefully consider what to > do with the amp. From my experience, the most common > cause of blown fuses in an amp is blown output > transistors. Well, I may have inadvertantly left the amp on while > removing the cable from the right speaker, in turn blowing the fuses > in the right channel. So it may be as simple as replacing the fuses. > > However, the way my luck runs, it's probably the output transistors, > which probably cost more than the whole amp did! I'll hit Radio Shack, > pick up some fuses, and give it a shot. I guess I have nothing to > lose (except the cost of the fuses). > BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking > at it? - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:41:42 -0800 britri at pacbell.net > writes: > > Like I always say: open the cover look, sniff, observe. I just > > bought a haffler dh200 for nuthin, opened the cover, blown fuse, > > replaced, worx like a champ! > > > > Good Luck > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > > quickly by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from > > my cheap "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right > > speaker was not working. Assuming I'd received a defective right > > speaker, I hooked up the old minimonitors again. The right channel > > was still out. > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > interconnects and the preamp, and ultimately determined that the > > right channel is suddenly out on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set of > > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > > this amp, or something similarly simple? Is there something I > > should check inside the amp before panicking (too late, actually). > > Or, should I be sending it off to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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URL: From britri at pacbell.net Fri Dec 14 05:19:46 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:19:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.213854.-955883.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C197DE0.8BACBDBE@pacbell.net> Joseph, go buy an inexpensive multimeter and start to use it for testing simple things like whether a fuse is blown or not and then keep using it to check all kinds of electronical stuff. You will then be going down the path of self-troubleshooting and understanding how simple some circuitry really is. I would not be surprised if there are many other nakers who have learned a great deal about hifi and electronics in the same way. Brian Stocker josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Hey Stephen, > > I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can find > wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is > slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. > > I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass fuses is > only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. > > In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could be??? > > - Joe > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find > > blown > > fuses to be the only problem. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > > quickly > > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap > > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was > > not > > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked > > up the > > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > interconnects and > > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > > suddenly out > > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set > > of > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > > this amp, > > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check > > inside the > > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending > > it off > > to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 05:38:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:38:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> Thanks Stephen. Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel have superb sound and reliability? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design from > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they make. If > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great reliability. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my > stereo system. > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > Stephen, > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do you > think of their > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just > marketing hype > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer T1951 > makes sense to > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric > EQs > > > >for less than > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Ashly > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > > > > > ART > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > > > > > Rane (about $450) > > > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 14 08:52:36 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:52:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.213854.-955883.2.josephj69@juno.com> <3C197DE0.8BACBDBE@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <001f01c18474$4c2747c0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Yes That's right Brian. I'm using my multimeter mostly to find broken circuits. And most of all because I'm a lousy solder and make my own cables. From time to time I don't hear one side in the stereo and then I have to find out if it's one of the cables again having a cold soldering. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > Joseph, go buy an inexpensive multimeter and start to use it for testing simple things > like whether a fuse is blown or not and then keep using it to check all kinds of > electronical stuff. You will then be going down the path of self-troubleshooting and > understanding how simple some circuitry really is. I would not be surprised if there > are many other nakers who have learned a great deal about hifi and electronics in the > same way. > > Brian Stocker > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can find > > wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is > > slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. > > > > I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass fuses is > > only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. > > > > In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could be??? > > > > - Joe > > > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will find > > > blown > > > fuses to be the only problem. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test them > > > quickly > > > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my cheap > > > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker was > > > not > > > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I hooked > > > up the > > > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > > interconnects and > > > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > > > suddenly out > > > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new set > > > of > > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse in > > > this amp, > > > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should check > > > inside the > > > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be sending > > > it off > > > to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 14 09:07:48 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:07:48 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK In-Reply-To: <20011213.211216.-955883.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c18476$6b3187a0$dc7c883e@a4s1s2> Joe Swap over the fuses and see if the right channel will then work. If so, you know that the fuse you have taken out is dead. Best of luck Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 14 December 2001 02:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Graham, I took the top cover off and I can find a total of four fuses inside the unit, two for each channel. They are indeed clear glass fuses. The label says "replace only with type 4A 250 V fuses." However, they all have a wire inside, and none of them appears to be broken. The only thing that looks different is that the wire one of the four fuses appears to be mis-shapen. The other three are in a straight line, this one is bent in the middle, but not broken. The bent fuse is in what I believe to be the right channel - the channel that is out. Should I bother to replace this fuse, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely? Thanks, Joe On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:24:39 -0000 "Graham Nelson" writes: Joe If it's a clear glass fuse you'll see the fuse wire inside the fuse either isn't there anymore or it'll be broken. Graham BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking at it? - Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, they all have a wire inside, and none of them appears to be broken. The only thing that looks different is that the wire one of the four fuses appears to be mis-shapen. The other three are in a straight line, this one is bent in the middle, but not broken. The bent fuse is in what I believe to be the right channel - the channel that is out. Should I bother to replace this fuse, or am I barking up the wrong tree entirely? Thanks, Joe On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:24:39 -0000 "Graham Nelson" writes: Joe If it's a clear glass fuse you'll see the fuse wire inside the fuse either isn't there anymore or it'll be broken. Graham BTW, how do I know if a fuse is "blown"? Can I tell just by looking at it? - Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 10:25:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:25:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd expect a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > Thanks Stephen. > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel have superb sound > and reliability? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design from > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they make. If > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great reliability. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my > > stereo system. > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do you > > think of their > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just > > marketing hype > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer T1951 > > makes sense to > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog parametric > > EQs > > > > >for less than > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Ashly > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > > > > > > > ART > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > > > > > > > Rane (about $450) > > > > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 10:36:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:36:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C19C827.729F6ADA@earthlink.net> Thanks Stephen. Stephen Sank wrote: > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd expect > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Fri Dec 14 13:07:01 2001 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:07:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and Flutter Message-ID: <51AEAD6E.59D688F7.032C04E1@netscape.net> Dear Nakfriends, During a recent cassette discussion with my friend we got stuck at the following problems concerning the W&F measurement. According to the manual Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer that was performing the W&F measurement, had been calibrated by DIN 45507 standard and can measure peak W&F values weighted and unweighted. When the actual measurement is performed the indicator never stops at the certain value: it jumps from one figure to another at the irregular intervals. When we open any Nak manual (we took Dragon and 480Z) the W&F figures are as follows: Dragon: less than 0.019% wtd RMS, less ± 0.04% wtd peak 480Z: less than 0.06% wtd RMS, less than 0.11% wtd peak So the questions are: 1. Why does Dragon have the "±" sign for peak value, what does it mean? If we apply it according to mathematics rules the resulted figure would be to big to be true. 2. How do we calculate RMS values? Is the following procedure right: we take peak-to-peak value, so-called double magnitude, divide it to 2, and then divide the result to square root of 2? 3. Why all manuals contain a certain figure, not a range for W&F? How do they determine this figure as the readings of the meter (whether T-100 or usual F&W meter) jump from one figure to another constantly? Any opinions, comments or clarifications are welcome. Many thanks in advance to everybody. With best regards, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 14 16:46:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:46:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011213.211216.-955883.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C1A1ECF.F2DFA84E@concentric.net> > Graham, > > [....] > However, they all have a wire inside, and none of them > appears to be broken. The only thing that looks different > is that the wire one of the four fuses appears to be > mis-shapen. The other three are in a straight line, this > one is bent in the middle, but not broken. The bent fuse > is in what I believe to be the right channel - the channel > that is out. > > Should I bother to replace this fuse, or am I barking up the > wrong tree entirely? If you have a multimeter, measure the fuse. It should show close to zero ohms. Or, just swap the suspect fuse with one from the working channel. If the right channel starts to work, you know it's the fuse. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 16:49:21 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:49:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <3C0D85DD.64986289@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c184b6$e639da70$2102a8c0@henry> This is a bit late, but if you haven't done it already I highly recommend using Windows XP for your new operating system. There are more drivers available natively than the older Windows flavors, and it does not 'allow Microsoft to browse your computer'. I have no idea where anybody gets that idea but it is patently false. Windows XP is faster and more stable than Windows 2000, and is worlds apart from Windows 98. I would suggest the Pro version over Home, but that is my preference. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Any advice on stable operating systems? I'm currently using Windows 98 v1. XP doesn't seem like a good option so I'll either download 98 v2 or more up to 2000. Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim, > > Then I reinstalled Windows > 98 (no way will I get Windows XP that lets Microsoft browse > through my computer). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 14 16:53:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:53:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1A207F.81D0C43D@concentric.net> Stephen, You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I can see they obviously use general purpose types. TIA, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd expect > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel have > superb sound > > and reliability? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design from > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they make. > If > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great reliability. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my > > > stereo system. > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do > you > > > think of their > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just > > > marketing hype > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer > T1951 > > > makes sense to > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > parametric > > > EQs > > > > > >for less than > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Ashly > > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > > > > > > > > > ART > > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > > > > > > > > > Rane (about $450) > > > > > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > > > > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 17:13:26 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:13:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c184ba$45337bf0$2102a8c0@henry> Sorry to say that there are multitudes of errors in this essay... Windows Millennium is the next version of the original DOS based Windows series (Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98) NOT a version of Windows NT. It has no more memory requirements than Windows 98. I do not recommend Windows Me (Millennium). Windows XP is based on Windows 2000, and utilizes the features and knowledge gained from the Windows 9x line. It is, however, a brand new product that is not based on DOS at all. I would jump both feet into XP. It is the most stable, easiest to use OS Microsoft has put out. There has been some major crap out there, but XP is very much better. The ongoing OS update process is also very good, it is possible to automate the patch process to make sure that all security problems get taken care of ASAP. One of the big factors of making sure that a computer (Wintel, Mac, Sun, etc.) is stable and stays stable and secure is to apply all patches in a timely fashion. It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you are into installing downloaded software. You can buy a Macintosh computer and have issues there as well. Has no one seen that there was a major patch out for OS X a few months after it came out? That there were big parts of OS X that didn't work until that patch was applied? How is that different than Microsoft? Linux is a whole different can of worms. If you like soldering new mods into your Nak, you will like Linux. Mac, Linux, MS... No mater what you need to learn about your computer and be actively interested in it's upkeep. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) Hi (again) Jim, To put things in some kind of historic perspective : in the beginning there was MS-DOS (not entirely true but it'll do), which ran happily in a few tens of K's . Then MS copied the ideas of the GUI and created Windows up until 3.11 (as a matter of fact IBM created it, but MS made the money out of it), which could get away with a few Mb of memory . The next step was in fact Windows NT, aimed at the professional market, that could afford to throw away all their PC's and replace them with 64 Mb models . For the home user, this option was inconceivable, so MS got out W95, able to run in 8 Mb, and happy with 16 Mb . This step could be done by the non-professional user, since the typical PC had enough slots for the extra memory . The step that remained to be taken to NT however, was still rather big, so W98 was introduced (still basically an MS-DOS with a GUI) . W98 offered the advantage that it could run in relatively low memory, AND it supported USB, was (more or less) plug and play, and basically much easier to deal with than NT (V4) . With all new PC's having USB, MS needed to do something for the professional market too, so they made Millenium (or W2000), which is basically an upgrade of NT4 to which some plug and play was added . To run it comfortably, you need 128 Mb, but that's no longer a real problem on relatively recent PC's . The two lines (W9x and NT) are now merged together in XP that should offer the good sides of both lines . The "consumer" line (W3.11-W95-W98) offers relative ease of usage and installation, a better user interface but has terrible security holes in it . The "professional line" (NT4-2000) is infinitely better on a architectural point of view ... in the first place because it's not any longer an MS-DOS that is hidden behind the interface . It offers a really big control over what the user can and cannot do, thanks to its registry (idea also introduced in W98) . I wouldn't jump on XP yet ... but I think 2000 is probably the most reliable option there is for the moment : it offers most of the ease of W98 and the good base of NT . Eddy ... but when I were to buy a new computer, it would be a Macintosh :-) ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) John, Win98 could be installed on both my home computers for $100 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 17:22:17 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:22:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <18ec01c17df8$901d8660$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c184bb$80a5b9e0$2102a8c0@henry> Read the license agreement that came with your last OS (or most any other commercial software from any manufacturer). You have never been able to install on more than one computer - now you are just held to what you agreed to by installing previously. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) And how obnoxious is it that you can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license fee? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Fri Dec 14 19:11:08 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:11:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1759 In-Reply-To: <200112141646.RAA27304@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Sorry to say that there are multitudes of errors in this essay... > What do you call a multitude ? 1 ? > Windows Millennium is the next version of the original DOS based Windows > series (Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98) NOT a version of Windows NT. This was indeed a mistake . (that has been admitted and corrected) > It has no > more memory requirements than Windows 98. I do not recommend Windows Me > (Millennium). Not true ... it uses more memory ... just check the task manager ! > > Windows XP is based on Windows 2000, and utilizes the features and > knowledge gained from the Windows 9x line. It is, however, a brand new > product that is not based on DOS at all. XP is the third generation of Windows NT . You can consider it new, but it's origins are at more than 5 years old . I clearly said that it doesn't have DOS hidden inside . > I would jump both feet into XP. It is the most stable, easiest to use > OS Microsoft has put out. There has been some major crap out there, but > XP is very much better. The ongoing OS update process is also very > good, it is possible to automate the patch process to make sure that all > security problems get taken care of ASAP. XP still has much more reliability problems than 2000 ! > One of the big factors of making sure that a computer (Wintel, Mac, Sun, > etc.) is stable and stays stable and secure is to apply all patches in a > timely fashion. I agree ... if it wasn't that the "timely" just doesn't mean anything . > It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for > your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you > are into installing downloaded software. > > You can buy a Macintosh computer and have issues there as well. Has no > one seen that there was a major patch out for OS X a few months after it > came out? That there were big parts of OS X that didn't work until that > patch was applied? How is that different than Microsoft? The difference is that OS X is the first version of a completely new OS, that has not a single line of coding in common with OS 9 . It's like 3.11, 95 and NT 3.5, and I don't think it is necessary to remind any first time user of those systems . Besides, the OS worked without problems, it was only in playing and recording DVD's, and in the wireless connection technology (Airport) that there were some real problems . > > Linux is a whole different can of worms. If you like soldering new mods > into your Nak, you will like Linux. "It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you are into installing downloaded software." Soldering ? If you have a working Linux, it will continue working, no matter how much programs you install . In Windows (and that is any Windows), this is not true, since MS did keep a lot of API's to itself, thereby forcing developpers to fiddle around with DLL's . Kind regards, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 20:35:04 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:35:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c184d6$6e638c10$2102a8c0@henry> Big apologies for jumping into this thread late. I was (am) about 500 messages behind. I won't post more about this or on any older thread until I catch up. I had not read ahead to see that the Me/NT issue had been discussed. Again, apologies. XP is a redesign of the MS OS. It has basis in NT and 9x, but it IS new code. I am not sure why you think that XP is less stable than Windows 2000. I have been running XP for six months and have had no problems with it. The press seems to think it is more stable as well. I have heard few reports that it is not reliable. I am not sure what you mean by "I agree ... if it wasn't that the "timely" just doesn't mean anything." OS X is new code, but it is based on several OS's. How can you say "... the OS worked without problems, it was only in playing and recording DVD's, and in the wireless connection technology (Airport) that there were some real problems". The OS wasn't working correctly if those things didn't work. You crucify MS when they do something like that. "If you have a working Linux, it will continue working". The trick here is for the average computer user to get Linux working. If it were as easy as OS X or XP everybody would be using it. The reason I likened it to modifying your Nak is that with Linux you have to get your hands dirty. There is no such thing as a casual Linux install. It works great once you understand it, when you are using it for what it does well, but getting to that point is painful. I don't disagree that there are other viable options out there to MS products. But if they were as wonderful as the people who hate MS (but continue buying their products) say they are, they would be used a lot more. Everything comes with a price. Some choices out there - some that had so few takers that they are gone now: Mac OS BeOS Next FreeBSD Linux (many flavors) Solaris for Intel Amiga (yes, there are still users) QNX More..? Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1759 > Sorry to say that there are multitudes of errors in this essay... > What do you call a multitude ? 1 ? > Windows Millennium is the next version of the original DOS based Windows > series (Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98) NOT a version of Windows NT. This was indeed a mistake . (that has been admitted and corrected) > It has no > more memory requirements than Windows 98. I do not recommend Windows Me > (Millennium). Not true ... it uses more memory ... just check the task manager ! > > Windows XP is based on Windows 2000, and utilizes the features and > knowledge gained from the Windows 9x line. It is, however, a brand new > product that is not based on DOS at all. XP is the third generation of Windows NT . You can consider it new, but it's origins are at more than 5 years old . I clearly said that it doesn't have DOS hidden inside . > I would jump both feet into XP. It is the most stable, easiest to use > OS Microsoft has put out. There has been some major crap out there, but > XP is very much better. The ongoing OS update process is also very > good, it is possible to automate the patch process to make sure that all > security problems get taken care of ASAP. XP still has much more reliability problems than 2000 ! > One of the big factors of making sure that a computer (Wintel, Mac, Sun, > etc.) is stable and stays stable and secure is to apply all patches in a > timely fashion. I agree ... if it wasn't that the "timely" just doesn't mean anything . > It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for > your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you > are into installing downloaded software. > > You can buy a Macintosh computer and have issues there as well. Has no > one seen that there was a major patch out for OS X a few months after it > came out? That there were big parts of OS X that didn't work until that > patch was applied? How is that different than Microsoft? The difference is that OS X is the first version of a completely new OS, that has not a single line of coding in common with OS 9 . It's like 3.11, 95 and NT 3.5, and I don't think it is necessary to remind any first time user of those systems . Besides, the OS worked without problems, it was only in playing and recording DVD's, and in the wireless connection technology (Airport) that there were some real problems . > > Linux is a whole different can of worms. If you like soldering new mods > into your Nak, you will like Linux. "It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you are into installing downloaded software." Soldering ? If you have a working Linux, it will continue working, no matter how much programs you install . In Windows (and that is any Windows), this is not true, since MS did keep a lot of API's to itself, thereby forcing developpers to fiddle around with DLL's . Kind regards, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 20:37:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and Flutter References: <51AEAD6E.59D688F7.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <091601c184d6$d3488ea0$413442cf@sank1> In practical use, the T100 wtd w/f reading is an accurate reading of the RMS avg value, and the unwtd a pretty good reading of RMS peak value. It is normal for the readings to fluctuate, hence the avg vs peak numbers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Wow and Flutter > Dear Nakfriends, > > During a recent cassette discussion with my friend we got stuck at the following problems concerning the W&F measurement. According to the manual Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer that was performing the W&F measurement, had been calibrated by DIN 45507 standard and can measure peak W&F values weighted and unweighted. When the actual measurement is performed the indicator never stops at the certain value: it jumps from one figure to another at the irregular intervals. > > When we open any Nak manual (we took Dragon and 480Z) the W&F figures are as follows: > > Dragon: less than 0.019% wtd RMS, less � 0.04% wtd peak > 480Z: less than 0.06% wtd RMS, less than 0.11% wtd peak > > So the questions are: > > 1. Why does Dragon have the "�" sign for peak value, what does it mean? If we apply it according to mathematics rules the resulted figure would be to big to be true. > > 2. How do we calculate RMS values? Is the following procedure right: we take peak-to-peak value, so-called double magnitude, divide it to 2, and then divide the result to square root of 2? > > 3. Why all manuals contain a certain figure, not a range for W&F? How do they determine this figure as the readings of the meter (whether T-100 or usual F&W meter) jump from one figure to another constantly? > > Any opinions, comments or clarifications are welcome. > > Many thanks in advance to everybody. > > With best regards, > > Nicholas. > > -- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 20:42:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:42:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> <3C1A207F.81D0C43D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <091e01c184d7$79547de0$413442cf@sank1> For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC couple the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if you defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output side of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- supply pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with soft recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf crossover. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > Stephen, > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd expect > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel have > > superb sound > > > and reliability? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design from > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they make. > > If > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great reliability. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in my > > > > stereo system. > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What do > > you > > > > think of their > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was just > > > > marketing hype > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer > > T1951 > > > > makes sense to > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > parametric > > > > EQs > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashly > > > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=PQX-571 > > > > > > > > > > > > ART > > > > > > http://www.markertek.com/MTStore/product.CFM?BaseItem=ART%2DTEQ > > > > > > > > > > > > Rane (about $450) > > > > > > http://www.oakwoodbroadcast.com/Processing/Rane/rane_pe17.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 20:45:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:45:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000701c184bb$80a5b9e0$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <092401c184d7$ed181ca0$413442cf@sank1> I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS on more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, greedy prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting to be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even more. So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices deleted]. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > Read the license agreement that came with your last OS (or most any > other commercial software from any manufacturer). You have never been > able to install on more than one computer - now you are just held to > what you agreed to by installing previously. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:52 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > And how obnoxious is it that you > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license > fee? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 14 21:03:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:03:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> <3C1A207F.81D0C43D@concentric.net> <091e01c184d7$79547de0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1A5B08.1CFC8A83@concentric.net> Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do not dis people that do, either :-). -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC couple > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if you > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output side > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- supply > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with soft > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > crossover. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > Stephen, > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd > expect > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel > have > > > superb sound > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design > from > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they > make. > > > If > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in > my > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What > do > > > you > > > > > think of their > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was > just > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer > > > T1951 > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > parametric > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 21:09:11 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane In-Reply-To: <3C1A5B08.1CFC8A83@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20011214200911.12872.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> I wouldn't defend electrolytic caps for audio use either, I would use them over a tantalum any day. SJ --- Ron wrote: > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, > I > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but > do > not dis people that do, either :-). > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am > able to completely DC couple > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of > nasty electrolytics(and if you > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose > all respect for you!). > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised > polypropylene caps to the output side > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps > to each chips' +&- supply > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage > fore & aft of the > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace > the rectifiers with soft > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter > section. And, of course, > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an > absolutely top shelf > > crossover. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. > What > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps > -- I > > > can see they obviously use general purpose > types. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are > currently made. But I'd > > expect > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite > upgradeable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog > parametric EQs that you feel > > have > > > > superb sound > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite > competent build & circuit design > > from > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend > just about anything they > > make. > > > > If > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good > sound & great > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic > Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka > Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust > ART or Ashley products in > > my > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and > crossovers before. What > > do > > > > you > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and > performance. I'm not sure if was > > just > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce > phase shift) on the Behringer > > > > T1951 > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers > are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, > current production analog > > > > parametric > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 14 21:20:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:20:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: <000001c180c3$f1e24340$aecd87d9@a4s1s2> <02dd01c1810c$9f9ad680$413442cf@sank1> <3C141804.5AEEB4AE@earthlink.net> <3C142FB1.A486542B@concentric.net> <3C143E67.68C0D7B3@earthlink.net> <3C16676F.D2D9EDFC@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011213053932.03f9b320@mail.verizon.net> <3C18F4DE.79D626F8@earthlink.net> <083b01c18448$52c5efe0$413442cf@sank1> <3C19825E.DE66759C@earthlink.net> <08b901c18481$3f602e00$413442cf@sank1> <3C1A207F.81D0C43D@concentric.net> <091e01c184d7$79547de0$413442cf@sank1> <3C1A5B08.1CFC8A83@concentric.net> Message-ID: <095001c184dc$c0fd93c0$413442cf@sank1> Ah, c'mon, Ron. Go ahead and "dis" people that defend lytics for audio. You know you want to.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > not dis people that do, either :-). > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC couple > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if you > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output side > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- supply > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with soft > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > crossover. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd > > expect > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel > > have > > > > superb sound > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design > > from > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they > > make. > > > > If > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in > > my > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What > > do > > > > you > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was > > just > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer > > > > T1951 > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > parametric > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 21:26:47 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:26:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <092401c184d7$ed181ca0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I'll learn how to use Linux when my existing Win 2k Pro is no longer supported; that's the project for next year. Turn my HP workstation into a Linux machine and learn how to become a system administrator so I can fire Bill! I used to go to Redmond to work with Microsoft; hated the place. Nothing stinks at Redmond if you listen to the people that work there; like a bunch of damnable religious fanatics with smiles (always) on their face. Plus, it rains too much up there. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS on more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, greedy prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting to be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even more. So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices deleted]. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > Read the license agreement that came with your last OS (or most any > other commercial software from any manufacturer). You have never been > able to install on more than one computer - now you are just held to > what you agreed to by installing previously. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:52 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > And how obnoxious is it that you > can't install XP on a second computer without paying another license > fee? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jackson Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Big apologies for jumping into this thread late. I was (am) about 500 messages behind. I won't post more about this or on any older thread until I catch up. I had not read ahead to see that the Me/NT issue had been discussed. Again, apologies. XP is a redesign of the MS OS. It has basis in NT and 9x, but it IS new code. I am not sure why you think that XP is less stable than Windows 2000. I have been running XP for six months and have had no problems with it. The press seems to think it is more stable as well. I have heard few reports that it is not reliable. I am not sure what you mean by "I agree ... if it wasn't that the "timely" just doesn't mean anything." OS X is new code, but it is based on several OS's. How can you say "... the OS worked without problems, it was only in playing and recording DVD's, and in the wireless connection technology (Airport) that there were some real problems". The OS wasn't working correctly if those things didn't work. You crucify MS when they do something like that. "If you have a working Linux, it will continue working". The trick here is for the average computer user to get Linux working. If it were as easy as OS X or XP everybody would be using it. The reason I likened it to modifying your Nak is that with Linux you have to get your hands dirty. There is no such thing as a casual Linux install. It works great once you understand it, when you are using it for what it does well, but getting to that point is painful. I don't disagree that there are other viable options out there to MS products. But if they were as wonderful as the people who hate MS (but continue buying their products) say they are, they would be used a lot more. Everything comes with a price. Some choices out there - some that had so few takers that they are gone now: Mac OS BeOS Next FreeBSD Linux (many flavors) Solaris for Intel Amiga (yes, there are still users) QNX More..? Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1759 > Sorry to say that there are multitudes of errors in this essay... > What do you call a multitude ? 1 ? > Windows Millennium is the next version of the original DOS based Windows > series (Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98) NOT a version of Windows NT. This was indeed a mistake . (that has been admitted and corrected) > It has no > more memory requirements than Windows 98. I do not recommend Windows Me > (Millennium). Not true ... it uses more memory ... just check the task manager ! > > Windows XP is based on Windows 2000, and utilizes the features and > knowledge gained from the Windows 9x line. It is, however, a brand new > product that is not based on DOS at all. XP is the third generation of Windows NT . You can consider it new, but it's origins are at more than 5 years old . I clearly said that it doesn't have DOS hidden inside . > I would jump both feet into XP. It is the most stable, easiest to use > OS Microsoft has put out. There has been some major crap out there, but > XP is very much better. The ongoing OS update process is also very > good, it is possible to automate the patch process to make sure that all > security problems get taken care of ASAP. XP still has much more reliability problems than 2000 ! > One of the big factors of making sure that a computer (Wintel, Mac, Sun, > etc.) is stable and stays stable and secure is to apply all patches in a > timely fashion. I agree ... if it wasn't that the "timely" just doesn't mean anything . > It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for > your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you > are into installing downloaded software. > > You can buy a Macintosh computer and have issues there as well. Has no > one seen that there was a major patch out for OS X a few months after it > came out? That there were big parts of OS X that didn't work until that > patch was applied? How is that different than Microsoft? The difference is that OS X is the first version of a completely new OS, that has not a single line of coding in common with OS 9 . It's like 3.11, 95 and NT 3.5, and I don't think it is necessary to remind any first time user of those systems . Besides, the OS worked without problems, it was only in playing and recording DVD's, and in the wireless connection technology (Airport) that there were some real problems . > > Linux is a whole different can of worms. If you like soldering new mods > into your Nak, you will like Linux. "It is also a good idea to run the latest drivers for your hardware. And, yes, clean your machine every year or two if you are into installing downloaded software." Soldering ? If you have a working Linux, it will continue working, no matter how much programs you install . In Windows (and that is any Windows), this is not true, since MS did keep a lot of API's to itself, thereby forcing developpers to fiddle around with DLL's . Kind regards, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working condition)? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do not dis people that do, either :-). -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC couple > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if you > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output side > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- supply > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with soft > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > crossover. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > Stephen, > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd > expect > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel > have > > > superb sound > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design > from > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they > make. > > > If > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products in > my > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What > do > > > you > > > > > think of their > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was > just > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the Behringer > > > T1951 > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > parametric > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 14 21:32:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:32:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c184de$7d4d2b20$d9bb87d9@a4s1s2> Carl Does Redmond = Stepford?! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 14 December 2001 08:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I'll learn how to use Linux when my existing Win 2k Pro is no longer supported; that's the project for next year. Turn my HP workstation into a Linux machine and learn how to become a system administrator so I can fire Bill! I used to go to Redmond to work with Microsoft; hated the place. Nothing stinks at Redmond if you listen to the people that work there; like a bunch of damnable religious fanatics with smiles (always) on their face. Plus, it rains too much up there. Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Dec 14 21:38:36 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:38:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what do you record? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211061506.01f945a0@mail.verizon.net> References: <3C15E07E.D3F2DEF@earthlink.net> <3C12660C.B35C97C8@earthlink.net> <3C155707.23406A79@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011211041704.01f97080@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011214145504.01f62c40@mail.verizon.net> Jim, Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you Left: JBL L-112 L-pads:: mids: - 1/2 =highs + 1 Urei 527A eq: octave wide +2 dB centered at 200, half octave +4 at 630, broad +3 rise at 3 K Right: JBL L-112 L-pads: mids: - 1/2 =highs + 1/2 Urei 527A eq: octave wide +3 dB centered at 200, half octave +4 at 630, broad +3 rise at 3 K Confirmed by listening to classical and jazz tracks, the EQ does make a considerable improvement in the timbre of the music. The center image also locks in more easily. Measured on a Gold Line 1/3 octave RTA, at the listening position the freq.response is +/- 3 dB from 40 to 16K and within 2 dB from 300 to 8K. I am seated behind a Neotek board about four feet from each speaker. They are angled down slightly for the best time response between mids and highs. There is heavy foam acoustical insulation behind and above the speakers. As to the ART, Ashly, Rane question: I have an older Ashley parametric I don't use it much anymore, but it always worked reliably and quietly. Did a fine job. I have a couple of ART reverbs and they sound good too. The ProVerb 200 is particularly nice and has a good set of easy to use algorithms. I also have the single space Rane audio analyzer which also works well. It is in my standard effects rack and has gone many bumpy miles with no ill effect. Probably the only manufacturer I would deliberately avoid is Behringer, but more for political reasons than performance. I say, go to a well equipped pro dealer when they aren't too busy, take some tapes or CD's and see if you can listen to the equipment you are interested in buying. Some preconceptions I had in the past, like a $2800 Neumann being a better microphone than a $160 Marshall, have proven to be false in actual practice. (I own both - but won't buying any more Neumanns. They are ridiculously overpriced.) Those Nikko-Pro eq's I told you about were universally rejected by a prejudiced pro crowd. The Nikko name didn't have a sterling reputation as a consumer hi-fi manufacturer, but they made a go at making some really fine pro equipment with the Nikko-Pro label. Those six 'third octave EQ's I bought cost me about half of what established name versions would have cost. They sound fine, and have worked perfectly since I bought them in 1987. There is a lot of inexpensive but high quality equipment out there. Give it a chance. After hearing all the hearsay, go out and do some listening and see what you come up with. Have the confidence to draw your own conclusions based on your own experience. ________________ Marc Stager =========================================================== If I remember correctly, my L112s were a little warm in the 63 - 100 hz area, squawky from 630 - 800 hz and bright from 4 - 10 Khz. Does this mirror your experience with yours? Jim Volpatti I don't remember, exactly, I haven't touched the level controls or the Ureis in months. I'll have a look tomorrow when I go to the studio and let you know. ... ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 21:43:47 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:43:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <092401c184d7$ed181ca0$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> OK, so there should only be one copy of software anywhere, then? I can install my buddy's copy... I can probably figure out how to get cable for free, too. I think that it is odd that people assume because it is easy to steal software that it is their right to do so - even if they have agreed to the 'fair use' of the software through the license agreement by using it. I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do something they should pay you for. I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS on more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, greedy prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting to be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even more. So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices deleted]. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Dec 14 22:50:31 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:50:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Timothy, I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright laws. It's just plain stupid. To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first hanging). It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 14 23:06:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:06:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <002901c184eb$95e246e0$d9bb87d9@a4s1s2> I had understood that MS allow a registered user of, say, Word to use it on a stand alone and portable with the one license. Am I wrong? Is this not the case with, say Windows 97/98? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: 14 December 2001 09:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Timothy, I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright laws. It's just plain stupid. To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first hanging). It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 23:19:01 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:19:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: Somehow, somewhere, I saw free advice given out by Stephen every day....oh yeah, that was here. What was this you were saying about cloning Stephen's knowledge? Alex > I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman > would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those > that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, > and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. > If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and > expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do > something they should pay you for. > > I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. > > Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 15 00:32:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:32:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <097c01c184f7$8ecef180$413442cf@sank1> I'm totally not talking about feeling free to pass around the OS to friends & neighbors for them to get it for free. I'm talking strictly about paying one time for the OS & being "allowed" to install it on any computers that I personally own. When I register the software, it is in my name, and I absolutely think it totally reasonable & rational, and fair, that I should be able to get tech support, etc. on that OS for each of the 2 or 3 computers I own, without having to pay double or triple for the OS. Let's face it. Gates is just plain greedy. If you saw his Charlie Rose interview a few weeks ago, where he totally DUCKED the privacy question, you might have been as angered as I was when he said, "Oh, yes. You *might*[which I read as "must"] have to pay an extra license fee for each additional computer you want to install XP on.", with this insipid got-you-by-the-nads tone in his voice. The guy is a flat out weasel. I'm sorry, but it's just the obvious truth. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > OK, so there should only be one copy of software anywhere, then? I can > install my buddy's copy... > > I can probably figure out how to get cable for free, too. > > I think that it is odd that people assume because it is easy to steal > software that it is their right to do so - even if they have agreed to > the 'fair use' of the software through the license agreement by using > it. > > I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman > would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those > that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, > and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. > If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and > expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do > something they should pay you for. > > I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS > on > more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, > greedy > prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting > to > be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even > more. > So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices > deleted]. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 15 00:37:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:37:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: Message-ID: <098501c184f8$4b71f580$413442cf@sank1> I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 but > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > lc22 (?). > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > condition)? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > not dis people that do, either :-). > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > couple > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > you > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > side > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > supply > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > soft > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > crossover. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd > > expect > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel > > have > > > > superb sound > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design > > from > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they > > make. > > > > If > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products > in > > my > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What > > do > > > > you > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was > > just > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > Behringer > > > > T1951 > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > parametric > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Dec 15 01:01:22 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:01:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <3C1A92BE.80D4759C@pacbell.net> With due respect to Stephen and other correspondents for this thread, Ron does have a point. If the acceptance agreement's terms are pretty clear, then they should be regarded when using the software. I own a business in which stuff I design and manufacture ( some of it is carried in Neiam Marcus, etc.) is constantly being "knocked off" I hate it but have no recourse (even if I did, I would spend so much time, energy and resources and $$$$$, that it would not be worth pursuing. I just move on to the next thing while the a#$holes are still eeking out their pathetic, parasitic business. But, the bigger question is where does the law start and stop. How often do we break traffic laws? Since I sold my Carrera, not that often. But what, legally speaking, is the difference between recording a CD to 8 track (bigger, therefore louder) for your other listening places. My understanding of copyright was that you could copy and share as desired, as long as you made no $$ in the process. At least that is how I have always approached and treated cpoywritten material. Caveat here: I can't recall the last time I read an online agreement thoroughly b4 just clicking I ACCEPT at the bottom to get the darn thing up and running. Ever DL shareware that asks, if it works for you, send $10.00 or something.? If it works for me, I send it. happyweekend Brian Stocker Roland Alford 2 wrote: > Timothy, > > I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop > and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are > both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? > > Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival > copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our > beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go > out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright > laws. It's just plain stupid. > > To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able > to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first > hanging). > > It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick > with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 00:58:33 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:58:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c184fb$3d3621a0$2102a8c0@henry> It is _given_ by Stephen. We all appreciate it (I know I do) but he is giving it to us. We don't take it against his wishes. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Somehow, somewhere, I saw free advice given out by Stephen every day....oh yeah, that was here. What was this you were saying about cloning Stephen's knowledge? Alex > I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman > would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those > that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, > and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. > If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and > expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do > something they should pay you for. > > I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. > > Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 01:06:32 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:06:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <003d01c184fc$5b8ee140$2102a8c0@henry> I see that nobody likes the way that it is, but it doesn't make it right to make your own decision on complying with a legal document. By installing the software you are agreeing to the licensing agreement. That applies to Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000 and Win XP. You can try say that it is stupid, greedy, wrong, immoral, whatever, but installing twice is still stealing. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Timothy, I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright laws. It's just plain stupid. To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first hanging). It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. --Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 01:12:26 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:12:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <097c01c184f7$8ecef180$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003e01c184fd$2da51370$2102a8c0@henry> I missed the interview, sounds like it would have been interesting. I guess I am just pissing everybody off here, but all I am doing is stating the way things are. I didn't really intend to get everybody all hot and bothered. I will bow out of this discussion. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I'm totally not talking about feeling free to pass around the OS to friends & neighbors for them to get it for free. I'm talking strictly about paying one time for the OS & being "allowed" to install it on any computers that I personally own. When I register the software, it is in my name, and I absolutely think it totally reasonable & rational, and fair, that I should be able to get tech support, etc. on that OS for each of the 2 or 3 computers I own, without having to pay double or triple for the OS. Let's face it. Gates is just plain greedy. If you saw his Charlie Rose interview a few weeks ago, where he totally DUCKED the privacy question, you might have been as angered as I was when he said, "Oh, yes. You *might*[which I read as "must"] have to pay an extra license fee for each additional computer you want to install XP on.", with this insipid got-you-by-the-nads tone in his voice. The guy is a flat out weasel. I'm sorry, but it's just the obvious truth. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat Dec 15 01:14:27 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:14:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MS XP OS References: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> <3C1A92BE.80D4759C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <00b901c184fd$75c01740$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> For those of you who know: What does a person do if they want to re-install XP on their computer if they have reformatted the hard drive or changed to a bigger hard drive? Do they have to buy the XP OS again?? I hope not. So, if they can re-install on the original computer, how is access restricted from installing it on a second (e.g. laptop) computer? How about selling a used retail copy of the program, once it's been registered, is it no longer useable for any future owner? Just wondering....... --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 15 01:18:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:18:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane In-Reply-To: <098501c184f8$4b71f580$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, one supposes, first. Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size issue; my recollection is they are rather bulky? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 but > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > lc22 (?). > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > condition)? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > not dis people that do, either :-). > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > couple > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > you > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for you!). > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > side > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > supply > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > soft > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of course, > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > crossover. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But I'd > > expect > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you feel > > have > > > > superb sound > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit design > > from > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything they > > make. > > > > If > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley products > in > > my > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. What > > do > > > > you > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if was > > just > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > Behringer > > > > T1951 > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > parametric > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 15 01:47:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:47:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: Message-ID: <09be01c18502$059ba600$413442cf@sank1> AC-22's come up on ebay somewhat regularly. It's a pro piece, so it has 1/4" & XLR input/output. True balanced(transformerless) input, but quasi-balanced output. I commonly replace the 1/4" jacks with nice RCA jacks, for those who need that. I charge about $300 to do a full upgrade(short of doing separate L&R power supplies). There is a 3-way version called the AC-23, but I have not yet done one of these. If you want to do 3-way full active, I'd rather recommend using a pair of AC-22's, each in mono 3-way mode instead, since it would give you separate L&R power supplies, and, theoretically, better imaging. If you have 2-way speakers(or 3-ways with 3-way active crossover), it should be very easy to go in & remove the crossover connections & make direct connections between input terminals & each driver. If you have 3-way speakers & want to do 2-way active, then it's a bit complicated, as you need to bypass the woofer crossover entirely, but bypass only the highpass section of the midrange crossover. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > Stephen, > > You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a > wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer > audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you > are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass > for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that > knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, one > supposes, first. > > Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon > mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL > the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size issue; > my recollection is they are rather bulky? > > Regards, > Carl > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for > crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the > upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally > smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's > Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. > The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency > selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, > and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to > paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a > suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 b ut > > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > > lc22 (?). > > > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > > condition)? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > > not dis people that do, either :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > > couple > > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > > you > > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for > you!). > > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > > side > > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > > supply > > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > > soft > > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of > course, > > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > > crossover. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But > I'd > > > expect > > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you > feel > > > have > > > > > superb sound > > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit > design > > > from > > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything > they > > > make. > > > > > If > > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley > products > > in > > > my > > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. > What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if > was > > > just > > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > > Behringer > > > > > T1951 > > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > > parametric > > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Dec 15 01:50:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:50:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Ribbon mics References: Message-ID: <09c201c18502$8b470240$413442cf@sank1> Regarding ribbon mics again, yes, most of the best ribbon mics are bulky compared to dynamics & modern condensers. But mics like the BK-11, which is 2lbs & fairly small, are not bulky at all. Then there are mics like the B&O's(which I have become known on for turning them into "virtual RCA 44" mics) & the Beyer "stick & ball" ribbons(which I also turn into "quasi RCA's") are no more bulky than an SM-58 Shure, and barely more than the flyweight Nak mics. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > Stephen, > > You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a > wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer > audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you > are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass > for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that > knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, one > supposes, first. > > Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon > mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL > the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size issue; > my recollection is they are rather bulky? > > Regards, > Carl > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for > crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the > upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally > smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's > Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. > The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency > selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, > and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to > paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a > suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 but > > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > > lc22 (?). > > > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > > condition)? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > > not dis people that do, either :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > > couple > > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > > you > > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for > you!). > > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > > side > > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > > supply > > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > > soft > > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of > course, > > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > > crossover. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But > I'd > > > expect > > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you > feel > > > have > > > > > superb sound > > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit > design > > > from > > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything > they > > > make. > > > > > If > > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley > products > > in > > > my > > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. > What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if > was > > > just > > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > > Behringer > > > > > T1951 > > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > > parametric > > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 01:51:49 2001 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:51:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MS XP OS In-Reply-To: <00b901c184fd$75c01740$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <004401c18502$aec21bb0$2102a8c0@henry> If you significantly change the hardware you will need to re-activate Win XP - definitely not re-purchase the OS. You can activate via the internet or via a phone call to Microsoft. You can install XP on as many computers as you would like, but within 30 days you will have to activate one of them. Trying to activate more than one will fail, and all but the active machine will no longer run the OS. I don't have my license agreement handy, but I don't think that it is transferable. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MS XP OS For those of you who know: What does a person do if they want to re-install XP on their computer if they have reformatted the hard drive or changed to a bigger hard drive? Do they have to buy the XP OS again?? I hope not. So, if they can re-install on the original computer, how is access restricted from installing it on a second (e.g. laptop) computer? How about selling a used retail copy of the program, once it's been registered, is it no longer useable for any future owner? Just wondering....... --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 15 01:47:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:47:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) In-Reply-To: <097c01c184f7$8ecef180$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003001c18502$1767ec40$d9bb87d9@a4s1s2> As much as I admire the guy for his business acumen, and I'd enjoy his wealth if I had only 1% of it, I'm glad I'm NOT him and I side with Stephen on this. May be a judge too harshly but it does seem from this side of The Pond that Bill just doesn't seem to have any sense of fair play, of any fundamental integrity in this respect. When he *does* appear to be fair or generous this is tainted by a sense that such "fairness" is only on the agenda because it makes commercial sense to be fair at that moment, not because being fair is fundamentally, morally right. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 14 December 2001 11:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I'm totally not talking about feeling free to pass around the OS to friends & neighbors for them to get it for free. I'm talking strictly about paying one time for the OS & being "allowed" to install it on any computers that I personally own. When I register the software, it is in my name, and I absolutely think it totally reasonable & rational, and fair, that I should be able to get tech support, etc. on that OS for each of the 2 or 3 computers I own, without having to pay double or triple for the OS. Let's face it. Gates is just plain greedy. If you saw his Charlie Rose interview a few weeks ago, where he totally DUCKED the privacy question, you might have been as angered as I was when he said, "Oh, yes. You *might*[which I read as "must"] have to pay an extra license fee for each additional computer you want to install XP on.", with this insipid got-you-by-the-nads tone in his voice. The guy is a flat out weasel. I'm sorry, but it's just the obvious truth. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > OK, so there should only be one copy of software anywhere, then? I can > install my buddy's copy... > > I can probably figure out how to get cable for free, too. > > I think that it is odd that people assume because it is easy to steal > software that it is their right to do so - even if they have agreed to > the 'fair use' of the software through the license agreement by using > it. > > I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman > would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those > that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, > and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. > If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and > expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do > something they should pay you for. > > I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS > on > more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, > greedy > prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting > to > be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even > more. > So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices > deleted]. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 15 01:47:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:47:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: RIGHTS AND WRONGS of BILLY GATES AND FRIENDS In-Reply-To: <003d01c184fc$5b8ee140$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <003101c18502$19026260$d9bb87d9@a4s1s2> One could get into a deep philosophical debate here .... not sure this issue comes into this league but I think one *could* argue that there are occasions when not complying with the Law of the land, (State or Federal in the US, by-laws or Statute in the UK) may sometimes be *morally* right. One must, of course, accept the consequences of breaking the Law ... but that is a different issue. For example ... one could argue that not declaring all your income to the Taxman is stealing revenue from the State and, therefore, from The People. On the other hand, the Tax Inspectors are told that, when they look at your tax returns, if they spot that you have made an error IN THEIR FAVOUR they should NOT alert you to it! To my mind, THAT is dishonest BUT IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL! So, some people therefore, argue that cheating the Taxman is "fair game", not stealing, because it is no worse than that which the Taxman would do to you. Then there are deeply moral issues ... Abortion is perfectly legal in this country and to seek to forcibly prevent it taking place where a *legal* abortion is being undertaken may well be illegal, especially if the prevention of it were done using force - e.g. shooting the abortionist! Many would argue that using such force, though that may be illegal, would be morally justified. (Not saying I would necessarily agree with that; just that this is a position many people would, and do, take.) Another example: If your baby is starving and you have no money or food, would it be wrong to steal food to feed the baby? Legally, yes. Morally? Now, whilst I did say that what we have been debating is not in the same league as these examples, it could be argued that what is being imposed by Gates et al are, to use the legal term, agreements made under duress. One has no alternative but to agree because there are no serious alternatives to MS products! IF one could prove that the agreement were under duress in a UK Court the agreement would be declared as "invalid" and the contract not legally binding. No one's tried it yet in respect of this MS software presumably because it would be difficult to prove to the satisfaction of a Court; nevertheless, one can see how many people would feel they are put under duress in signing up to such an agreement, which they actually feel is an unfair agreement, and, therefore, would feel no wrong was being done if they later broke that contract. Now, the point is is that Gates has sought to saturate these markets with only his products. He has a near monopoly. So, if you have a need to swap formatted text with many other people it is a racing certainty that you will probably need to use MS Word because most of the others will be using Word. In such a case you have no option but to agree to whatever MS demand of you just so you may exchange fully formatted text files! The agreements might be more fair is ALL word processing software allowed the transfer of fully formatted text files between them, so that one bit of software could read the formatted documents of another. Then one could pick and choose which software to buy and which agreement was the more reasonable from the buyers point of view. Instead, we have the Stalinist choice - agree to eat the shit we give you or eat whatever you can find amongst nothing. So, you "choose" to eat the shit because there is no viable alternative. Nevertheless I personally don't pirate PC software, but only because I don't have the knowledge or confidence to fix software and system problems when they occur! I need the technical support! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Timothy H. Jackson Sent: 15 December 2001 12:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I see that nobody likes the way that it is, but it doesn't make it right to make your own decision on complying with a legal document. By installing the software you are agreeing to the licensing agreement. That applies to Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000 and Win XP. You can try say that it is stupid, greedy, wrong, immoral, whatever, but installing twice is still stealing. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Timothy, I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright laws. It's just plain stupid. To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first hanging). It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. --Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Dec 15 03:17:09 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:17:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK Message-ID: <20011214.212736.-133001.0.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, looks like the fuse was all it needed. Thanks for all the help guys! Good idea about moving one of the good fuses from the left channel to the right in order to be sure it was indeed the fuse. I just grabbed the fuses today because I knew one was bad and I'd need them anyway. You're right that I should buy a multimeter and learn to do the basics myself. How much does one of these cost and how hard will it be to get the basics down ? - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:19:46 -0800 britri at pacbell.net writes: > Joseph, go buy an inexpensive multimeter and start to use it for > testing simple things > like whether a fuse is blown or not and then keep using it to check > all kinds of > electronical stuff. You will then be going down the path of > self-troubleshooting and > understanding how simple some circuitry really is. I would not be > surprised if there > are many other nakers who have learned a great deal about hifi and > electronics in the > same way. > > Brian Stocker > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can > find > > wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is > > slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. > > > > I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass > fuses is > > only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. > > > > In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could > be??? > > > > - Joe > > > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will > find > > > blown > > > fuses to be the only problem. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test > them > > > quickly > > > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my > cheap > > > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker > was > > > not > > > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I > hooked > > > up the > > > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > > interconnects and > > > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > > > suddenly out > > > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new > set > > > of > > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse > in > > > this amp, > > > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should > check > > > inside the > > > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be > sending > > > it off > > > to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sat Dec 15 04:39:44 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:39:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1768 In-Reply-To: <200112150301.EAA31299@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: I am not a proponent of stealing, but on this issue, I have to agree with Stephen. Back in the days of DOS, on one of the rare occasions that I actually read the lawyer mumbo jumbo license agreement for Word Perfect (pretty sure that was the program) it was perfectly legal to install this program on 2 computers - 1 at work and 1 at home. The idea was that you had purchased this program for your personal use and you could not use your office computer simultaneously with your home computer. I know several people that own 2+ computers (me included) and only on rare occasions do they use more than 1 computer at a time. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 22:02 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1768 naktalk-digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1768 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:47:37 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) As much as I admire the guy for his business acumen, and I'd enjoy his wealth if I had only 1% of it, I'm glad I'm NOT him and I side with Stephen on this. May be a judge too harshly but it does seem from this side of The Pond that Bill just doesn't seem to have any sense of fair play, of any fundamental integrity in this respect. When he *does* appear to be fair or generous this is tainted by a sense that such "fairness" is only on the agenda because it makes commercial sense to be fair at that moment, not because being fair is fundamentally, morally right. Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 14 December 2001 11:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I'm totally not talking about feeling free to pass around the OS to friends & neighbors for them to get it for free. I'm talking strictly about paying one time for the OS & being "allowed" to install it on any computers that I personally own. When I register the software, it is in my name, and I absolutely think it totally reasonable & rational, and fair, that I should be able to get tech support, etc. on that OS for each of the 2 or 3 computers I own, without having to pay double or triple for the OS. Let's face it. Gates is just plain greedy. If you saw his Charlie Rose interview a few weeks ago, where he totally DUCKED the privacy question, you might have been as angered as I was when he said, "Oh, yes. You *might*[which I read as "must"] have to pay an extra license fee for each additional computer you want to install XP on.", with this insipid got-you-by-the-nads tone in his voice. The guy is a flat out weasel. I'm sorry, but it's just the obvious truth. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) > OK, so there should only be one copy of software anywhere, then? I can > install my buddy's copy... > > I can probably figure out how to get cable for free, too. > > I think that it is odd that people assume because it is easy to steal > software that it is their right to do so - even if they have agreed to > the 'fair use' of the software through the license agreement by using > it. > > I would have expected that you as a reputable and respected businessman > would take a different line on this one. I know from the posts of those > that have had you do work for them on this site that you do a great job, > and if I sent something to you I would expect to pay you for your labor. > If it were possible to somehow clone your knowledge, experience and > expertise it would be wrong for someone else to use that clone to do > something they should pay you for. > > I don't really want to argue, you can choose what you want to do. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > I find it absolutely obnoxious that Gates won't let you install the OS > on > more than one unit without more money(as if he doesn't have enough, > greedy > prick). If I pay $100 for a piece of software, I'm damn well expecting > to > be able to install it on my home pc & my laptop without paying even > more. > So, Gates can take his XP & shove it up [description of orifices > deleted]. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:47:39 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] OT: RIGHTS AND WRONGS of BILLY GATES AND FRIENDS One could get into a deep philosophical debate here .... not sure this issue comes into this league but I think one *could* argue that there are occasions when not complying with the Law of the land, (State or Federal in the US, by-laws or Statute in the UK) may sometimes be *morally* right. One must, of course, accept the consequences of breaking the Law ... but that is a different issue. For example ... one could argue that not declaring all your income to the Taxman is stealing revenue from the State and, therefore, from The People. On the other hand, the Tax Inspectors are told that, when they look at your tax returns, if they spot that you have made an error IN THEIR FAVOUR they should NOT alert you to it! To my mind, THAT is dishonest BUT IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL! So, some people therefore, argue that cheating the Taxman is "fair game", not stealing, because it is no worse than that which the Taxman would do to you. Then there are deeply moral issues ... Abortion is perfectly legal in this country and to seek to forcibly prevent it taking place where a *legal* abortion is being undertaken may well be illegal, especially if the prevention of it were done using force - e.g. shooting the abortionist! Many would argue that using such force, though that may be illegal, would be morally justified. (Not saying I would necessarily agree with that; just that this is a position many people would, and do, take.) Another example: If your baby is starving and you have no money or food, would it be wrong to steal food to feed the baby? Legally, yes. Morally? Now, whilst I did say that what we have been debating is not in the same league as these examples, it could be argued that what is being imposed by Gates et al are, to use the legal term, agreements made under duress. One has no alternative but to agree because there are no serious alternatives to MS products! IF one could prove that the agreement were under duress in a UK Court the agreement would be declared as "invalid" and the contract not legally binding. No one's tried it yet in respect of this MS software presumably because it would be difficult to prove to the satisfaction of a Court; nevertheless, one can see how many people would feel they are put under duress in signing up to such an agreement, which they actually feel is an unfair agreement, and, therefore, would feel no wrong was being done if they later broke that contract. Now, the point is is that Gates has sought to saturate these markets with only his products. He has a near monopoly. So, if you have a need to swap formatted text with many other people it is a racing certainty that you will probably need to use MS Word because most of the others will be using Word. In such a case you have no option but to agree to whatever MS demand of you just so you may exchange fully formatted text files! The agreements might be more fair is ALL word processing software allowed the transfer of fully formatted text files between them, so that one bit of software could read the formatted documents of another. Then one could pick and choose which software to buy and which agreement was the more reasonable from the buyers point of view. Instead, we have the Stalinist choice - agree to eat the shit we give you or eat whatever you can find amongst nothing. So, you "choose" to eat the shit because there is no viable alternative. Nevertheless I personally don't pirate PC software, but only because I don't have the knowledge or confidence to fix software and system problems when they occur! I need the technical support! Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Timothy H. Jackson Sent: 15 December 2001 12:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) I see that nobody likes the way that it is, but it doesn't make it right to make your own decision on complying with a legal document. By installing the software you are agreeing to the licensing agreement. That applies to Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000 and Win XP. You can try say that it is stupid, greedy, wrong, immoral, whatever, but installing twice is still stealing. Tim - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Timothy, I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a desktop and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating Systems? Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright laws. It's just plain stupid. To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be able to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first hanging). It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to stick with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. - --Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------------- - --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks for all the help guys! Good idea about moving one of the good fuses from the left channel to the right in order to be sure it was indeed the fuse. I just grabbed the fuses today because I knew one was bad and I'd need them anyway. You're right that I should buy a multimeter and learn to do the basics myself. How much does one of these cost and how hard will it be to get the basics down ? - - Joe On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:19:46 -0800 britri at pacbell.net writes: > Joseph, go buy an inexpensive multimeter and start to use it for > testing simple things > like whether a fuse is blown or not and then keep using it to check > all kinds of > electronical stuff. You will then be going down the path of > self-troubleshooting and > understanding how simple some circuitry really is. I would not be > surprised if there > are many other nakers who have learned a great deal about hifi and > electronics in the > same way. > > Brian Stocker > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can > find > > wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is > > slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. > > > > I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass > fuses is > > only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. > > > > In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could > be??? > > > > - Joe > > > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will > find > > > blown > > > fuses to be the only problem. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test > them > > > quickly > > > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my > cheap > > > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker > was > > > not > > > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I > hooked > > > up the > > > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > > interconnects and > > > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > > > suddenly out > > > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new > set > > > of > > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse > in > > > this amp, > > > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should > check > > > inside the > > > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be > sending > > > it off > > > to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Sat Dec 15 05:26:13 2001 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:26:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK In-Reply-To: <20011214.212736.-133001.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > You're right that I should buy a multimeter and learn to do the basics > myself. How much does one of these cost and how hard will it be to get > the basics down ? Textbooks on electronics basics are probably available at your local library. Some places have electronics supply stores, if you need stuff to work on/with. I'm lucky, I'm quite close to MIT, and therefore there's a fair bit of electronics stuff hanging around (including discarded stuff to play with). You might also want to look into local adult education classes if you really start to get into things. I think that the voltmeter you want right now is the cheapest Radio Shack digital meter. It's compact and comes in its own little gray clamshell case. It costs around $20, and measures volts DC, volts AC, ohms (resistance) and continuity. You may eventually want to get a more sophisticated meter and toss the cheapie in the car, but this should certainly get you started. The Rat Shack meter also remembers to turn itself off, thus saving me huge money in batteries for it, because I seem to always leave it on. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 15 10:55:29 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:55:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane In-Reply-To: <09be01c18502$059ba600$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, The speakers are Linn Keilidhs; apparently they can be tri-amped despite it being a two way design. There is a tweeter and two 5.25" woofers. There are three inputs on the back; high, low, and active. I assume that all three would have to be used. As I have a subwoofer the three way model might be useful since the sub can be run without the crossover kicked in. I'll keep an eye out for a couple of them. Thanks again for the information. I really did not want to spend almost 2k on a used Levinson crossover! I just acquired a Roksan Xerxes table with RB300 arm and a Madrigal cartridge; amazing the difference over my very old Rega Planar 2 with rb200 arm/Signet cartridge. Lovely table. Now I need a step up device for the very low output cartridge....am looking at a product from Audiomat (french company); any suggestions in this vein? I am also considering vintage silver Audio Note transformers; about 1200 used. I have the Threshold accessory step up device for my Threshold NS10 preamp but I think there is something wrong with it as a lot of noise comes out when it is used; have emailed the person that sold it to me but no response so far. Cost was only 75 so if it is bad it is not the end of the world. Am still looking for little knobs for my nak zx9 (content)...need two of them. And then I see if Misha remains interested in acquiring this deck! I really don't know what it is worth; works fine, in great cosmetic shape, and just needs the two knobs. I have the original double packed box; think I've the manual as well. Any ideas on what it is worth? Regards, Carl Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane AC-22's come up on ebay somewhat regularly. It's a pro piece, so it has 1/4" & XLR input/output. True balanced(transformerless) input, but quasi-balanced output. I commonly replace the 1/4" jacks with nice RCA jacks, for those who need that. I charge about $300 to do a full upgrade(short of doing separate L&R power supplies). There is a 3-way version called the AC-23, but I have not yet done one of these. If you want to do 3-way full active, I'd rather recommend using a pair of AC-22's, each in mono 3-way mode instead, since it would give you separate L&R power supplies, and, theoretically, better imaging. If you have 2-way speakers(or 3-ways with 3-way active crossover), it should be very easy to go in & remove the crossover connections & make direct connections between input terminals & each driver. If you have 3-way speakers & want to do 2-way active, then it's a bit complicated, as you need to bypass the woofer crossover entirely, but bypass only the highpass section of the midrange crossover. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > Stephen, > > You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a > wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer > audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you > are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass > for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that > knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, one > supposes, first. > > Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon > mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL > the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size issue; > my recollection is they are rather bulky? > > Regards, > Carl > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for > crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the > upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally > smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's > Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. > The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency > selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, > and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to > paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a > suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 b ut > > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > > lc22 (?). > > > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > > condition)? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > > not dis people that do, either :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > > couple > > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > > you > > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for > you!). > > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > > side > > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > > supply > > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > > soft > > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of > course, > > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > > crossover. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But > I'd > > > expect > > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you > feel > > > have > > > > > superb sound > > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit > design > > > from > > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything > they > > > make. > > > > > If > > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley > products > > in > > > my > > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. > What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if > was > > > just > > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > > Behringer > > > > > T1951 > > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > > parametric > > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 15 11:06:01 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:06:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MS XP OS In-Reply-To: <004401c18502$aec21bb0$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: and what happens for people without internet access? I read of a nun in south america who is sticking with windows 98 because of this; she must print anything she want mailed and take it to the nearest town by canoe. So, XP is not an option for that person. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Timothy H. Jackson Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] MS XP OS If you significantly change the hardware you will need to re-activate Win XP - definitely not re-purchase the OS. You can activate via the internet or via a phone call to Microsoft. You can install XP on as many computers as you would like, but within 30 days you will have to activate one of them. Trying to activate more than one will fail, and all but the active machine will no longer run the OS. I don't have my license agreement handy, but I don't think that it is transferable. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MS XP OS For those of you who know: What does a person do if they want to re-install XP on their computer if they have reformatted the hard drive or changed to a bigger hard drive? Do they have to buy the XP OS again?? I hope not. So, if they can re-install on the original computer, how is access restricted from installing it on a second (e.g. laptop) computer? How about selling a used retail copy of the program, once it's been registered, is it no longer useable for any future owner? Just wondering....... --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 15 11:06:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:06:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Ribbon mics In-Reply-To: <09c201c18502$8b470240$413442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Back to the drawing board; will have to take a look at the mics you mentioned although am pretty damn happy with the AKG c61 preamps mit ck1 capsules...very, very detailed and warm sound. Maybe someday when I get the stero thing squared away I'll get them upgraded by you. Ciao Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Ribbon mics Regarding ribbon mics again, yes, most of the best ribbon mics are bulky compared to dynamics & modern condensers. But mics like the BK-11, which is 2lbs & fairly small, are not bulky at all. Then there are mics like the B&O's(which I have become known on for turning them into "virtual RCA 44" mics) & the Beyer "stick & ball" ribbons(which I also turn into "quasi RCA's") are no more bulky than an SM-58 Shure, and barely more than the flyweight Nak mics. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > Stephen, > > You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a > wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer > audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you > are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass > for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that > knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, one > supposes, first. > > Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon > mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL > the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size issue; > my recollection is they are rather bulky? > > Regards, > Carl > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection for > crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if the > upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally > smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's > Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. > The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency > selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision pots, > and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used to > paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, a > suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 but > > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > > lc22 (?). > > > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that 1500 > > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > > condition)? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > > not dis people that do, either :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > > couple > > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and if > > you > > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for > you!). > > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > > side > > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > > supply > > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > > soft > > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of > course, > > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > > crossover. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But > I'd > > > expect > > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you > feel > > > have > > > > > superb sound > > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit > design > > > from > > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything > they > > > make. > > > > > If > > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley > products > > in > > > my > > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. > What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if > was > > > just > > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > > Behringer > > > > > T1951 > > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production analog > > > > > parametric > > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Dec 15 12:23:24 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:23:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Software license In-Reply-To: <200112150411.FAA31807@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every other software license ... in short : You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the world, making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . Support : none you have a right to . Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software . When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts were negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" ... there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, but I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with a company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work still has to be done, so this is not really an option . WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer organisations, should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some rights to the consumer . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 15 16:42:41 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:42:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Software license In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c1857f$22131020$b2a887d9@a4s1s2> Right on Eddy. (Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? Is he still alive?) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 15 December 2001 11:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Software license Hi all, I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every other software license ... in short : You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the world, making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . Support : none you have a right to . Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software . When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts were negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" ... there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, but I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with a company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work still has to be done, so this is not really an option . WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer organisations, should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some rights to the consumer . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 15 20:44:02 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:44:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT-Step up transformers was rane eq References: Message-ID: <022d01c185a0$d98ad320$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > I just acquired a Roksan Xerxes table with RB300 arm and a Madrigal > cartridge; amazing the difference over my very old Rega Planar 2 with rb200 > arm/Signet cartridge. Lovely table. Now I need a step up device for the > very low output cartridge....am looking at a product from Audiomat (french > company); any suggestions in this vein? I am also considering vintage > silver Audio Note transformers; about 1200 used. I have the Threshold > accessory step up device for my Threshold NS10 preamp but I think there is > something wrong with it as a lot of noise comes out when it is used; have > emailed the person that sold it to me but no response so far. Cost was only > 75 so if it is bad it is not the end of the world. > You have a number of choices for stepups the audion notres are very good as is the ear mc *or* for a lot less you could roll your own The Jensen Transformers as used in rowland and Audio research gear are very very good a set would run you from $200 to $400 depending on model used see http://www.jensen-transformers.com/ they have very good tech support as well I have also had luck with sowter transformers in the past brian sowter is very helpfull http://www.sowter.co.uk/ But you first need to know the input impedence of your phono stage and whether its mc or mm and the output of the cartridge (to judge gain needed) and the output impedence of the cartridge to match to the right transformer. All of which I have forgotten for the madrigal cartridge. Ps really good NOS mic transformers will work too. hth Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 15 20:58:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:58:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <000601c184bb$37d4ac80$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3C1BAB73.BC86A0D@concentric.net> Not true. Microsoft older S/W was licensed for use on several computers. Now it is not. Stephen already voiced the public opinion of Gate's version of 'honesty'. What would you say if a CD you bought was only licensed to play on your home player, but you were required to buy a second copy to listen on your car CD player, and maybe a 2rd copy for your portable? -- Ron "Timothy H. Jackson" wrote: > > Sure, if you stole a copy. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > John, > > Win98 could be > installed on both my home computers for $100 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 15 21:04:17 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:04:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: evil gates and much more evil riaa References: <000901c184e0$07b0e9e0$2102a8c0@henry> <005401c184e9$5a6501e0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <02de01c185a3$ad3ffd60$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Roland wrote > Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an archival > copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our > beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us would go > out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of copyright > laws. It's just plain stupid. > Do not even begin to think that the Recording industry feels this way they want you to buy multiple copies they do not want you to record anything ever its only because Sony sued the movie industry that we *had* fair use laws the riaa tried to get tacked on to the terrorism bill (remember this was in response to the wtc) a paragraph that would have allowed them to enter your computer and destroy mp3's that hadn't been payed for. They also wanted exemption from liability for perhaps destroying your computer and all its files in doing so. gates was never this bad. As for Gates you can bitch all you want but he's not as evil as say the Buys from Enron who while driving their company into bankruptcy *refused* to allow the employees to diversify their 401k's out of enron stock while it was in meltdown. Thus giving their employees nothing but somehow paying themselves 55 million in pay to stay on with the sinking ship. Now thats evil. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Dec 15 22:28:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:28:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK References: <20011214.212736.-133001.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C1BC07B.FFCC5206@pacbell.net> Buy an inexpensive multimeter. I really like the analog readout because it does not jump around in .1 or .01 increments and the meter simply rests on the general reading. Just go to radioshack and get a simple one and start to take readings on simple stuff. Brian Stocker josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Okay, looks like the fuse was all it needed. > > Thanks for all the help guys! > > Good idea about moving one of the good fuses from the left channel to the > right in order to be sure it was indeed the fuse. I just grabbed the > fuses today because I knew one was bad and I'd need them anyway. > > You're right that I should buy a multimeter and learn to do the basics > myself. How much does one of these cost and how hard will it be to get > the basics down ? > > - Joe > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:19:46 -0800 britri at pacbell.net writes: > > Joseph, go buy an inexpensive multimeter and start to use it for > > testing simple things > > like whether a fuse is blown or not and then keep using it to check > > all kinds of > > electronical stuff. You will then be going down the path of > > self-troubleshooting and > > understanding how simple some circuitry really is. I would not be > > surprised if there > > are many other nakers who have learned a great deal about hifi and > > electronics in the > > same way. > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > I sure hope it's just the fuse. As I said, the only thing I can > > find > > > wrong with one of the fuses is that the little filament inside is > > > slightly misshapen - but it's not broken. > > > > > > I checked the Radio Shack page, and a four-pack of 4A 250V glass > > fuses is > > > only a $1.39, so I guess that's at least woth a shot. > > > > > > In the event it's not the fuses, what else do you think it could > > be??? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:35:15 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > writes: > > > > Adcom 535 amps are almost bulletproof. I am quite sure you will > > find > > > > blown > > > > fuses to be the only problem. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: I HAVE THE WORST LUCK > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last night I finally got my new speakers. I decided to test > > them > > > > quickly > > > > by setting them on the floor and moving the old wires from my > > cheap > > > > "minimontors" to the new JBLs. I found that the right speaker > > was > > > > not > > > > working. Assuming I'd received a defective right speaker, I > > hooked > > > > up the > > > > old minimonitors again. The right channel was still out. > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, I switched the cables, the > > > > interconnects and > > > > the preamp, and ultimately determined that the right channel is > > > > suddenly out > > > > on my trusty old Adcom GFA-535 amp!!! > > > > > > > > > > My question: is this a coincidence, or did hooking up a new > > set > > > > of > > > > speakers somehow cause a problem with the amp? Is there a fuse > > in > > > > this amp, > > > > or something similarly simple? Is there something I should > > check > > > > inside the > > > > amp before panicking (too late, actually). Or, should I be > > sending > > > > it off > > > > to Stephen for repair? > > > > > > > > > > Any advice greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Dec 15 23:29:11 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:29:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane References: Message-ID: <3C1BCEB3.AE1DE806@pacbell.net> Happyweekend Nakers, I just snagged a perfect rega 2 for <$35.00, I am unable to tell what arm is on the thing but it looks pretty stock. I have lotsa headshells with cart/stylus intact since I have been experimenting betw everything from signet, Ortofon Concorde (hopefully the 1 with the anti-crash upgrades, just kidding) Stanton 600, Pickering and Shure v15???, etc. and I am very pleased with the turntable as it is my first "supposedly good turntable" since the sony biotracer and cheap B&O's I have used. However I am hearing that the rega 2 is not that good. I have about 20 ttables that are old english transcriptor's and lotsa other other english ttables. This does not include my big stacks of old pioneer, marantz, Denon. yamaha, etc ttables. Setting up a ttable takes time and I am trying to figure out what my "ears" should be listening for after all that trouble. I wonder if I just like collecting really nice/collectible /expensive equipment when I may possibly have tin ears. I just like it loud, well imaged, and no where close to clipping, but doing it with 84dB inefficient, but sweet sounding loudspeakers. Responding to this thread regarding the rega 2 and the expensive speakers such as Linn that need a subwoofer: why do speaker mfrs. build very expensive loudspeaker systems and even suggest or provide a link or recommendation for a subwoofer within the system? Is it because certain listening venues require a sub. nomatterwhat? If this is a dumb question, for which I should already know the answer, then please FLAME me, update me or tell me to SHUT-UP. Happy Holidays, Brian Stocker (the openitupandfixit multimeter guy) Tiberius Gaius wrote: > Stephen, > > The speakers are Linn Keilidhs; apparently they can be tri-amped despite it > being a two way design. There is a tweeter and two 5.25" woofers. There > are three inputs on the back; high, low, and active. I assume that all > three would have to be used. As I have a subwoofer the three way model > might be useful since the sub can be run without the crossover kicked in. > > I'll keep an eye out for a couple of them. > > Thanks again for the information. I really did not want to spend almost 2k > on a used Levinson crossover! > > I just acquired a Roksan Xerxes table with RB300 arm and a Madrigal > cartridge; amazing the difference over my very old Rega Planar 2 with rb200 > arm/Signet cartridge. Lovely table. Now I need a step up device for the > very low output cartridge....am looking at a product from Audiomat (french > company); any suggestions in this vein? I am also considering vintage > silver Audio Note transformers; about 1200 used. I have the Threshold > accessory step up device for my Threshold NS10 preamp but I think there is > something wrong with it as a lot of noise comes out when it is used; have > emailed the person that sold it to me but no response so far. Cost was only > 75 so if it is bad it is not the end of the world. > > Am still looking for little knobs for my nak zx9 (content)...need two of > them. And then I see if Misha remains interested in acquiring this deck! I > really don't know what it is worth; works fine, in great cosmetic shape, and > just needs the two knobs. I have the original double packed box; think I've > the manual as well. Any ideas on what it is worth? > > Regards, > > Carl > > Regards, > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > AC-22's come up on ebay somewhat regularly. It's a pro piece, so it has > 1/4" & XLR input/output. True balanced(transformerless) input, but > quasi-balanced output. I commonly replace the 1/4" jacks with nice RCA > jacks, for those who need that. I charge about $300 to do a full > upgrade(short of doing separate L&R power supplies). There is a 3-way > version called the AC-23, but I have not yet done one of these. If you want > to do 3-way full active, I'd rather recommend using a pair of AC-22's, each > in mono 3-way mode instead, since it would give you separate L&R power > supplies, and, theoretically, better imaging. > If you have 2-way speakers(or 3-ways with 3-way active crossover), it should > be very easy to go in & remove the crossover connections & make direct > connections between input terminals & each driver. If you have 3-way > speakers & want to do 2-way active, then it's a bit complicated, as you need > to bypass the woofer crossover entirely, but bypass only the highpass > section of the midrange crossover. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:18 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > Stephen, > > > > You offer very compelling arguments. The levinson is supposed to have a > > wonderful power supply. This Rane unit; is this a pro unit or consumer > > audio and where is one available? What sort of money for the upgrades you > > are talking about. I'd initially be using the thing to perform high pass > > for a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. I would have to have someone that > > knows what to do open up the speakers and bypass the passive crossover, > one > > supposes, first. > > > > Thanks for the information. I also appreciate your comments on the ribbon > > mic's; I was under the impression they are fragile and will not handle SPL > > the way good condensor microphones do. But, there is still the size > issue; > > my recollection is they are rather bulky? > > > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:37 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > I don't know the Levinson crossover. But, given ML's economic affection > for > > crappy Wima/Roe/Rifa metallised polypropylene caps, I'd be surprised if > the > > upgraded, DC-coupled Rane didn't smoke it. I can say that it did totally > > smoke the similarly expensive Apogee DAX3 crossover in a client's > > Diva/Cello/Accuphase system. > > The most astounding thing about the ~$300 AC-22 is the stock frequency > > selection controls. They are multisection Alps "black box" precision > pots, > > and obviously custom-ordered. The same type that we little guys are used > to > > paying $20-30 each for two-section versions of. Nice. The Ashly XR-1001, > a > > suspiciously similar design, lacks such attention to prudence. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:26 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > I need an electronic crossover for high pass. Was considering AR EC22 b > ut > > > was advised power supply could be better and was steered to the Levinson > > > lc22 (?). > > > > > > How does this modified Rane compare to the Levinson (considering that > 1500 > > > is probably the least expensive you'll find the levinson in good/working > > > condition)? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Ron > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:03 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the list, it all makes perfect sense. No, I > > > do not defend electrolytic caps for audio use, but do > > > not dis people that do, either :-). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > For example, in the Rane AC-22 crossover, I am able to completely DC > > > couple > > > > the entire audio path, eliminating a bunch of nasty electrolytics(and > if > > > you > > > > defend lytics as good for audio passing, I'll lose all respect for > > you!). > > > > Then, I add several ufd of metallised polypropylene caps to the output > > > side > > > > of the supply regulators, then small styrene caps to each chips' +&- > > > supply > > > > pins directly. I also increase the energy storage fore & aft of the > > > > regulators as much as will physically fit, replace the rectifiers with > > > soft > > > > recovery diodes, and bypass the subsonic filter section. And, of > > course, > > > > install OP275 opamps. This makes the AC-22 an absolutely top shelf > > > > crossover. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > You keep referring to upgrading Rane products. What > > > > > components would you upgrade, except for opamps -- I > > > > > can see they obviously use general purpose types. > > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know much about what parametrics are currently made. But > > I'd > > > > expect > > > > > > a Rane to be both quite decent & quite upgradeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any current production analog parametric EQs that you > > feel > > > > have > > > > > > superb sound > > > > > > > and reliability? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything but quite competent build & circuit > > design > > > > from > > > > > > > > Rane. I wouldn't be afraid to recommend just about anything > > they > > > > make. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > not for best sound, then at least for good sound & great > > > > reliability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on my experience, I wouldn't trust ART or Ashley > > products > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > stereo system. > > > > > > > > > The Rane, on the other hand is a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you've modified Rane EQs and crossovers before. > > What > > > > do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > think of their > > > > > > > > > circuit design, reliability and performance. I'm not sure if > > was > > > > just > > > > > > > > marketing hype > > > > > > > > > but the parralel filters (to reduce phase shift) on the > > > Behringer > > > > > > T1951 > > > > > > > > makes sense to > > > > > > > > > me. I don't know if other manufacturers are offer this > > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12/13/01, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >So then, who makes high quality, current production > analog > > > > > > parametric > > > > > > > > EQs > > > > > > > > > > >for less than > > > > > > > > > > >$1500? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Dec 16 00:05:46 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:05:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer In-Reply-To: <200112152252.XAA04202@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Brian Stacker wrote : > > Responding to this thread regarding the rega 2 and the expensive speakers such > as Linn that need a subwoofer: why do speaker mfrs. build very expensive > loudspeaker systems and even suggest or provide a link or recommendation for a > subwoofer within the system? Is it because certain listening venues require a > sub. nomatterwhat? If this is a dumb question, for which I should already > know the answer, then please FLAME me, update me or tell me to SHUT-UP. > Well, I'm not sure why Linn did it, but the requirements for a solid reproduction of the low frequencies are so different from the ones for the mid and high frequencies, that a separate subwoofer can solve some practical problems . First of all, for a solid bass, you need to move a lot of air, which means a big speaker, or many smaller speakers (it's the total surface that counts) . There is also quite a lot of pressure involved, so a relatively small closed speaker cabinet will create too much pressure on the backside of the woofer(s), thereby reducing its efficiency very drastically, which can of course be compensated by using a bigger amp, but there aren't that many 10 000 W amps around :-) . The solution to this problem is to reduce the pressure on the backside by allowing the air to escape from the cabinet . Unfortunately, the air that escaped, will come in contact with the air moved by the front of the speaker, and will annihilate some of the frequencies, while amplifying some others ... not exactly what is needed . This effect can be reduced by using all kinds of measures to dampen the "backside air", by folding a pipe in the cabinet and dampening that. Another solution is using a passive woofer, that should move in phase with the active one, but there again, the manufacturer has to choose a certain frequency under which the phase shift will become bigger and bigger, until the sound completely disappears . Anyway ... all those problems are very much related to the size of the cabinet ... if you can make it big enough (let's say 7 ft high, 3 ft large and 3 ft deep), you don't have much problems ... except for convincing the wife :-) . Now the idea of the subwoofer is that low frequencies aren't directional, and that the stereo image won't be affected by those, so that a single cabinet could be used for left and right channel bass . Another problem is that a 16 Hz tone, has a wave lenght of over 50 ft, and that you need at least half of that lenght to be able to hear that tone, meaning that you shouldn't hope to get a really good bass in a 10 x 10 ft room ... but this isn't solved by a subwoofer . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 00:49:50 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:49:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c185c3$2f51ee20$b2a887d9@a4s1s2> Now the idea of the subwoofer is that low frequencies aren't directional, and that the stereo image won't be affected by those, so that a single cabinet could be used for left and right channel bass . Eddy This is what Richard Lord founder of REL told me, too, but many of his customers swear that a stereo pair of subwoofers DO make more of a difference than a single box, and he is happy to sell 'em! Concert Corner, a small workshop, dealer and CD shop in Southport also produced modified Quad ESL's, each speaker a top of its own individual sub-woofer. (I heard the prototype and it sounded very good.) Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Dec 16 02:17:48 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:17:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Message-ID: <20011215.201749.-1012627.0.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the right channel. Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and everything seems to be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects running from my preamp to the power amp. The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the Adcom 535. For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally go down very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp connection, I can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the same problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in the right channel. The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of output jacks. The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange because I've tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio Shack, other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means it's not the interconnects at fault. Is something up here? What am I missing? - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 04:32:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:32:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT-Step up transformers was rane eq References: <022d01c185a0$d98ad320$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c185e2$3cb543e0$083442cf@sank1> I was also going to recommend Jensen for MC stepup transformers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT-Step up transformers was rane eq > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:55 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Equalizers - Rane > > > > > I just acquired a Roksan Xerxes table with RB300 arm and a Madrigal > > cartridge; amazing the difference over my very old Rega Planar 2 with > rb200 > > arm/Signet cartridge. Lovely table. Now I need a step up device for the > > very low output cartridge....am looking at a product from Audiomat (french > > company); any suggestions in this vein? I am also considering vintage > > silver Audio Note transformers; about 1200 used. I have the Threshold > > accessory step up device for my Threshold NS10 preamp but I think there is > > something wrong with it as a lot of noise comes out when it is used; have > > emailed the person that sold it to me but no response so far. Cost was > only > > 75 so if it is bad it is not the end of the world. > > > > You have a number of choices for stepups the audion notres are very good > as is the ear mc *or* for a lot less you could roll your own > The Jensen Transformers as used in rowland and Audio research gear are > very very good a set would run you from $200 to $400 depending on model > used see > http://www.jensen-transformers.com/ > they have very good tech support as well > I have also had luck with sowter transformers in the past > brian sowter is very helpfull > http://www.sowter.co.uk/ > > > But you first need to know the input impedence of your phono stage > and whether its mc or mm and the output of the cartridge (to judge > gain needed) and the output impedence of the cartridge to match > to the right transformer. > All of which I have forgotten for the madrigal cartridge. > > Ps really good NOS mic transformers will work too. > > hth > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 04:36:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:36:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011215.201749.-1012627.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001b01c185e2$de71fd40$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> sounds like a loose connection on your preamp output jacks but try this first reverse the left and right connections on the adcom and see if the sound switches to the left channel (do not change the cables at the preamp end) if it does its the preamp if it doesn't move its probably a loose connection in the adcom just because the preamp has two rca's for output doesn't mean that they are not connected with one wire on the inside. Here is where a cheap multi meter anything radio shack sells would help, because you could use it to check the interconects, the fuses and even the rca connections on the preamp and amp. in any case try the cable switch and we'll go from there hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the right channel. > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and everything seems to > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects running from > my preamp to the power amp. > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the Adcom 535. > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally go down > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp connection, I > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the same > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in the right > channel. > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of output jacks. > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange because I've > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio Shack, > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means it's not the > interconnects at fault. > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > - Joe > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 04:42:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:42:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer References: Message-ID: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> I emphatically disagree with the non-directional low bass theory. Even with a sub crossed out at 40Hz, a single sub shifts the center image toward it's location. I can't stand that effect, personally. So, when a client of mine asks about subs, I tell them to please not bother until they can afford two very good subs that will integrate well with their main speakers. The latter being a really tough trick in itself. As for the big speakers for bass debate, I can say with absolute conviction that even the small speakers I build, which are solid down to about 38Hz, can give you a chest massage, even at 10 feet away. So, I don't believe you have to have big drivers to do good bass. In fact, for that most difficult 40Hz & below region, I vastly prefer two or more small drivers per channel than >10" drivers. I think natural bass needs speed & freedom from overshoot distortion. Large drivers just sound bloated & slow to me. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer > > Brian Stacker wrote : > > > > Responding to this thread regarding the rega 2 and the expensive speakers such > > as Linn that need a subwoofer: why do speaker mfrs. build very expensive > > loudspeaker systems and even suggest or provide a link or recommendation for a > > subwoofer within the system? Is it because certain listening venues require a > > sub. nomatterwhat? If this is a dumb question, for which I should already > > know the answer, then please FLAME me, update me or tell me to SHUT-UP. > > > > > Well, I'm not sure why Linn did it, but the requirements for a solid > reproduction of the low frequencies are so different from the ones for the > mid and high frequencies, that a separate subwoofer can solve some practical > problems . > > First of all, for a solid bass, you need to move a lot of air, which means a > big speaker, or many smaller speakers (it's the total surface that counts) . > There is also quite a lot of pressure involved, so a relatively small closed > speaker cabinet will create too much pressure on the backside of the > woofer(s), thereby reducing its efficiency very drastically, which can of > course be compensated by using a bigger amp, but there aren't that many 10 > 000 W amps around :-) . The solution to this problem is to reduce the > pressure on the backside by allowing the air to escape from the cabinet . > Unfortunately, the air that escaped, will come in contact with the air moved > by the front of the speaker, and will annihilate some of the frequencies, > while amplifying some others ... not exactly what is needed . > This effect can be reduced by using all kinds of measures to dampen the > "backside air", by folding a pipe in the cabinet and dampening that. > Another solution is using a passive woofer, that should move in phase with > the active one, but there again, the manufacturer has to choose a certain > frequency under which the phase shift will become bigger and bigger, until > the sound completely disappears . > Anyway ... all those problems are very much related to the size of the > cabinet ... if you can make it big enough (let's say 7 ft high, 3 ft large > and 3 ft deep), you don't have much problems ... except for convincing the > wife :-) . > Now the idea of the subwoofer is that low frequencies aren't directional, > and that the stereo image won't be affected by those, so that a single > cabinet could be used for left and right channel bass . > > Another problem is that a 16 Hz tone, has a wave lenght of over 50 ft, and > that you need at least half of that lenght to be able to hear that tone, > meaning that you shouldn't hope to get a really good bass in a 10 x 10 ft > room ... but this isn't solved by a subwoofer . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 04:46:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011215.201749.-1012627.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <002801c185e4$3d74ff80$083442cf@sank1> Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or jack wiring in the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp for several hours without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault in the Krell. What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R ch to the L ch of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if the fault goes to the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have a problem. If not, the fault is elsewhere. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the right channel. > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and everything seems to > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects running from > my preamp to the power amp. > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the Adcom 535. > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally go down > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp connection, I > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the same > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in the right > channel. > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of output jacks. > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange because I've > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio Shack, > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means it's not the > interconnects at fault. > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > - Joe > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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But they do solve a space problem if you somehow believe that two smaller speakers and one large sub are less space intensive than two full size speakers. On the other hand they do solve a money problem in that you can add low bass to an existing set of speakers with out having to chuck them out and start again. getting them to blend is another story. snip > Now the idea of the subwoofer is that low frequencies aren't directional, > and that the stereo image won't be affected by those, so that a single > cabinet could be used for left and right channel bass . well this is sort of true it really depends on where the subs are crossed over and where the cutoff is some subs even though they are crossed over at 80 or 100 hz are still playing loud enough at 160 hz to easily localize. There is also no reason in the cd era to have mono bass since cd's don't need their bass summed to mono like most vinyl is recorded. Multiple subs can help with bass loading in the room say one in the corner and one in the center of the room. > Another problem is that a 16 Hz tone, has a wave lenght of over 50 ft, and > that you need at least half of that lenght to be able to hear that tone, > meaning that you shouldn't hope to get a really good bass in a 10 x 10 ft > room ... but this isn't solved by a subwoofer . this is not correct the wavelength of the signal has nothing to do with getting bass response out of a room. Placing the sub corectly so that the listening position has even bass response (maybe with a little eq) is all thats required. Think about those annoying cars that go by, they have plenty of low bass in a small space. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Dec 16 05:22:06 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:22:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Message-ID: <20011215.232207.-161079.4.josephj69@juno.com> Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by Stephen - including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was with the Adcom. Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and right channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both channels. Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems to occur in BOTH channels! I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make both channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two RCA jacks at the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch it again, or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back in. Yes, I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it all likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new RCA jacks that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a looser connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the jacks. The right jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks very easily, while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the right jack have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? Should I get a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my interconects? Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? - Joe On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or jack > wiring in > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp for > several hours > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault in the > Krell. > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R ch to > the L ch > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if the fault > goes to > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have a > problem. If > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the right > channel. > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and everything > seems to > > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects > running from > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the Adcom > 535. > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally go > down > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp > connection, I > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the > same > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in the > right > > channel. > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of output > jacks. > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange because > I've > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio > Shack, > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means it's > not the > > interconnects at fault. > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 05:46:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011215.232207.-161079.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <005001c185ec$a16f8160$083442cf@sank1> There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks & plugs. On the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but on the output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split center pin that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are a bit over spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split center pin plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the problem should be solved. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by Stephen - > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was with the > Adcom. > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and right > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both channels. > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems to occur > in BOTH channels! > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make both > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two RCA jacks at > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch it again, > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back in. Yes, > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it all > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new RCA jacks > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a looser > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the jacks. The right > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks very easily, > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the right jack > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? Should I get > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my interconects? > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or jack > > wiring in > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp for > > several hours > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault in the > > Krell. > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R ch to > > the L ch > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if the fault > > goes to > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have a > > problem. If > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the right > > channel. > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and everything > > seems to > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects > > running from > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the Adcom > > 535. > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally go > > down > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp > > connection, I > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the > > same > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in the > > right > > > channel. > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of output > > jacks. > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange because > > I've > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio > > Shack, > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means it's > > not the > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > > > > > - Joe > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Dec 16 06:24:33 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:24:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Message-ID: <20011216.002434.-1010619.0.josephj69@juno.com> This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid pins. How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA jacks. - Joe On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks & > plugs. On > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but on > the > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > center pin > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are a > bit over > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split center > pin > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the problem > should be > solved. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by Stephen > - > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was with > the > > Adcom. > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > right > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > channels. > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems to > occur > > in BOTH channels! > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > both > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two RCA > jacks at > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch it > again, > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back in. > Yes, > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it all > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new RCA > jacks > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a looser > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the jacks. > The right > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks very > easily, > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the right > jack > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > Should I get > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > interconects? > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > jack > > > wiring in > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp for > > > several hours > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault in > the > > > Krell. > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R ch > to > > > the L ch > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if the > fault > > > goes to > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have a > > > problem. If > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the > right > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > everything > > > seems to > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects > > > running from > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the > Adcom > > > 535. > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally > go > > > down > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp > > > connection, I > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the > > > same > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in > the > > > right > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > output > > > jacks. > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange > because > > > I've > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio > > > Shack, > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means > it's > > > not the > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 06:30:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:30:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compressed? Message-ID: Hi All, I wanted to ask this but thought I had the answers in my of the many books lying around my home. And, having spent so many years in the cable industry and selling DMX music services I should know the answer but don't. Can anyone tell me why FM radio stations compress their signals. On the surface I don't see the need to do so. Please respond offline from NakTalkers. And, thank you in advance for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Dec 16 06:33:44 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:33:44 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01B7CDD4@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ron & Stephen, Thank you for your responses, it turns out to be a bad relay circuit. I soldered a shorting link across the relay's bridge and the amp started to work. Thanks once again for you suggestions. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2001 7:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Protection circuit. some protection circuits are also actuated by over current in the output stage. This could be caused by a shorted output device or an external short. In this particular case, the fault could also be in the protection circuit itself or a bad relay driver. You could try to set the volume control at zero, disconnect all speaker connections and try to switch the amp on. If the relay still doesn't pick, this is a job for a tech. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Amp protection circuits are generally triggered by seeing more than usually > 1volt of DC on any output channel. Such DC, except during power-up/down, is > usually caused by shorted output stage in a channel, or, in cheap sets with > driver IC hybrid modules, by a bad IC module. You can count on the JVC > having such a problem. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:07 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Protection circuit. > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know what triggers off protection circuits in amplifiers (not > hearing the click of the relay). Someone I know has a JVC integrated amp and > when powered on the lights are on but there is nobody home. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 06:41:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.002434.-1010619.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <005c01c185f4$4c83b920$083442cf@sank1> Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, Neutrik. As well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, and that LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading anytime soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some tighter fitting ones. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid pins. > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA jacks. > > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks & > > plugs. On > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but on > > the > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > center pin > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are a > > bit over > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split center > > pin > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the problem > > should be > > solved. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by Stephen > > - > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was with > > the > > > Adcom. > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > right > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > channels. > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems to > > occur > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > both > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two RCA > > jacks at > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch it > > again, > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back in. > > Yes, > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it all > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new RCA > > jacks > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a looser > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the jacks. > > The right > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks very > > easily, > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the right > > jack > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > Should I get > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > interconects? > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > writes: > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > jack > > > > wiring in > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp for > > > > several hours > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault in > > the > > > > Krell. > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R ch > > to > > > > the L ch > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if the > > fault > > > > goes to > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have a > > > > problem. If > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to the > > right > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > everything > > > > seems to > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the interconnects > > > > running from > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, the > > Adcom > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will occasionally > > go > > > > down > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the preamp > > > > connection, I > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have the > > > > same > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection in > > the > > > > right > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > output > > > > jacks. > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more strange > > because > > > > I've > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, Radio > > > > Shack, > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this means > > it's > > > > not the > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Dec 16 06:49:53 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:49:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Message-ID: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the connectors are like. How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? - Joe On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > Neutrik. As > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > and that > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > anytime > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > tighter > fitting ones. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > pins. > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > jacks. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > & > > > plugs. On > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > on > > > the > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > center pin > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > a > > > bit over > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > center > > > pin > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > problem > > > should be > > > solved. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > Stephen > > > - > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > with > > > the > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > right > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > channels. > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > to > > > occur > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > both > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > RCA > > > jacks at > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > it > > > again, > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > in. > > > Yes, > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > all > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > RCA > > > jacks > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > looser > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > jacks. > > > The right > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > very > > > easily, > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > right > > > jack > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > Should I get > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > jack > > > > > wiring in > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > for > > > > > several hours > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > in > > > the > > > > > Krell. > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > ch > > > to > > > > > the L ch > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > the > > > fault > > > > > goes to > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > a > > > > > problem. If > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > the > > > right > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > everything > > > > > seems to > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > interconnects > > > > > running from > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > the > > > Adcom > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > occasionally > > > go > > > > > down > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > preamp > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > the > > > > > same > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > in > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > output > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > strange > > > because > > > > > I've > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > Radio > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > means > > > it's > > > > > not the > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 06:55:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:55:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compressed? References: Message-ID: <3C1C3753.8716D00C@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, Most FM listening is done while in the car. With the dynamic range of the original recording, the quieter passages would be lost amongst the road and engine noise, etc. Most pop recordings are similarly compressed right onto the CD. Santana's Supernatural is a good example. There can't be much more than 10 dB of dynamic range on that CD. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > I wanted to ask this but thought I had the answers in my of the many books > lying around my home. And, having spent so many years in the cable industry > and selling DMX music services I should know the answer but don't. Can > anyone tell me why FM radio stations compress their signals. On the surface > I don't see the need to do so. Please respond offline from NakTalkers. And, > thank you in advance for your help with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 07:07:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:07:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... Message-ID: <3e.163a8188.294d9438@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:00:03 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam, Most FM listening is done while in the car. With the dynamic range of the original recording, the quieter passages would be lost amongst the road and engine noise, etc. Most pop recordings are similarly compressed right onto the CD. Santana's Supernatural is a good example. There can't be much more than 10 dB of dynamic range on that CD. Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, I'm still not there. So the FM radio signal is compressed so that the station can pump more wattage? So, where is the signal decompressed? FM radio broadcasters didn't always compress their signals, so what lead to this practice being so widespread? Most college radio stations still don't compress their signal. As always, thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 07:12:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:12:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <007401c185f8$b5a72be0$083442cf@sank1> As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > connectors are like. > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > Neutrik. As > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > and that > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > anytime > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > tighter > > fitting ones. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > pins. > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > writes: > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > & > > > > plugs. On > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > on > > > > the > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > center pin > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > a > > > > bit over > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > center > > > > pin > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > problem > > > > should be > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > Stephen > > > > - > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > with > > > > the > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > right > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > channels. > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > to > > > > occur > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > both > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > RCA > > > > jacks at > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > it > > > > again, > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > in. > > > > Yes, > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > all > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > RCA > > > > jacks > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > looser > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > jacks. > > > > The right > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > very > > > > easily, > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > right > > > > jack > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > Should I get > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > jack > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > for > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > in > > > > the > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > ch > > > > to > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > the > > > > fault > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > a > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer > > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > the > > > > right > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > everything > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > interconnects > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > the > > > > Adcom > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > occasionally > > > > go > > > > > > down > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > preamp > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > in > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > output > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > strange > > > > because > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > Radio > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > means > > > > it's > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 07:14:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:14:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... Message-ID: <40.161a30a9.294d95bc@aol.com> PS I have that Santana CD. (smile) For what it's worth, I have some bad news for my fellow analogue listeners. The new Shelia E CD is a ProTools project (e.g., recording, mixing, mastering - unfortunately the liner notes don't list what type of hard disk recorder was used) and it sounds wonderful. A tad-bit bright (nothing that detracts from the sound or the production), but it has to be placed in the "one of the best CD's produced" category. And it's a pop-music CD, usually a category reserved for Jazz and Classical music. Despite the continued insurgence of digital media into our beloved hobby, I'll pull a "Graham" here and inform you that I am still accepting gifts (just in time for the holidays) from anyone who wishes to give me a McIntosh MC2000 limited-edition tube amplifier. Hint, hint! LOL -Sam PS Hey Graham, how am I doing? (LOL) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 07:26:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:26:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... References: <3e.163a8188.294d9438@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1C3E79.C7A5759F@earthlink.net> No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively louder so you can hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The signal never becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:00:03 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Hi Sam, > > Most FM listening is done while in the car. With the dynamic range of the > original > recording, the quieter passages would be lost amongst the road and engine > noise, etc. > Most pop recordings are similarly compressed right onto the CD. Santana's > Supernatural > is a good example. There can't be much more than 10 dB of dynamic range on > that CD. > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Hi Jim, > > I'm still not there. So the FM radio signal is compressed so that the > station can pump more wattage? So, where is the signal decompressed? FM > radio broadcasters didn't always compress their signals, so what lead to this > practice being so widespread? Most college radio stations still don't > compress their signal. > As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 07:28:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:28:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> <007401c185f8$b5a72be0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1C3EF0.5570E93A@earthlink.net> Bet you haven't compared the LAT cables to any of Analysis Plus'. hehehe Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > > connectors are like. > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > Neutrik. As > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > > and that > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > anytime > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > > tighter > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > pins. > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > > & > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > > center pin > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > > a > > > > > bit over > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > > center > > > > > pin > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > problem > > > > > should be > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > Stephen > > > > > - > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > > right > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > > channels. > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > > to > > > > > occur > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > > both > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > > RCA > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > > it > > > > > again, > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > > in. > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > > all > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > > RCA > > > > > jacks > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > looser > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > jacks. > > > > > The right > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > > very > > > > > easily, > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > > right > > > > > jack > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > > jack > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > > for > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > > ch > > > > > to > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > > the > > > > > fault > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > > a > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > Transducer > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > everything > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > interconnects > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > > the > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > occasionally > > > > > go > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > preamp > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > > output > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > strange > > > > > because > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > > Radio > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > means > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 07:34:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:34:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... Message-ID: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:29:37 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively louder so you can hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The signal never becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. Jim Volpatti >> OK, thanks Jim. FWIW - my FM radio sounds better in my car than through my system. A noticeable difference. Without an outdoor antenna, I'm stuck with the crummy FM reception most city dwellers are also stuck with. :-( -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 07:38:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:38:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: Hi again, You guys told me to ask if I had any questions. What's the "real" deal with BAT ss and tube preamps? Can you believe what you read regarding them? Also, does anyone on this list own a pair of Wilson Watt Puppies? What's so special about these speakers as they seem to be the speakers of choice among the magazine reviewers. I heard a pair in a local audio store and was not impressed. Granted, it could have been the store's setup (e.g., Tweeter Center) but I was not impressed. I'd take a pair of the Martin Logan Prodigy's over the Wilson's I auditioned. As always, thank you for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 07:37:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:37:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... References: <40.161a30a9.294d95bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1C4143.4C09DF3@earthlink.net> Sam, I don't know if you've heard the MC2000 but it's performance certainly isn't worth $15,000. Based on sound alone, it competes with other $6,000 tube amps. It is beautifully made though and I guess that's worth something but it's still grossly overpriced. Speaking of Sheila E (Santana's current bass player, Benny Rhetveld, used to play with Sheila and Miles Davis too), I used to work with her father, Pete Escovedo. Sheila and her little sister Zena used to sit in at Pete's gigs. Talk about a family of talented percussionists! Very, very nice people too. = ) Sometimes I really miss those good ol' days. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > PS > > I have that Santana CD. (smile) For what it's worth, I have some bad news > for my fellow analogue listeners. The new Shelia E CD is a ProTools project > (e.g., recording, mixing, mastering - unfortunately the liner notes don't > list what type of hard disk recorder was used) and it sounds wonderful. A > tad-bit bright (nothing that detracts from the sound or the production), but > it has to be placed in the "one of the best CD's produced" category. And > it's a pop-music CD, usually a category reserved for Jazz and Classical > music. > > Despite the continued insurgence of digital media into our beloved hobby, > I'll pull a "Graham" here and inform you that I am still accepting gifts > (just in time for the holidays) from anyone who wishes to give me a McIntosh > MC2000 limited-edition tube amplifier. Hint, hint! > > LOL > > -Sam > > PS > > Hey Graham, how am I doing? (LOL) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 07:42:09 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:42:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... References: <3e.163a8188.294d9438@aol.com> <3C1C3E79.C7A5759F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c901c185fc$c9530ac0$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> I wish this was the reason but I doubt it I've copied my off line response to Sam below which I think is more realistic. but a couple of things Like Jim said its never decompressed although one of the standards of digital audio broadcasting is suposedly the ability to reverse the compression at the receiving end. But we don't have Dab here yet so I've never seen anything on it any Euro Nakers played with a dab tuner yet? as for college and npr stations being non comercial they seem to resist a heavy hand on the compressor Warren ,y reply to Sam The simple answer is the loudest station is thought to be the one listened to when surfing the dial. The FCC limits the actual power of a station and fines stations that exceed the legal power output. so the answer is to compress the heck out of the sound so that the station broadcasts as close as possible to the limit, all the time. compression also explains why adds jump out at you while watching tv or listening to the radio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... > No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively louder so you can > hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The signal never > becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:00:03 AM Central Standard Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > Most FM listening is done while in the car. With the dynamic range of the > > original > > recording, the quieter passages would be lost amongst the road and engine > > noise, etc. > > Most pop recordings are similarly compressed right onto the CD. Santana's > > Supernatural > > is a good example. There can't be much more than 10 dB of dynamic range on > > that CD. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > >> > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I'm still not there. So the FM radio signal is compressed so that the > > station can pump more wattage? So, where is the signal decompressed? FM > > radio broadcasters didn't always compress their signals, so what lead to this > > practice being so widespread? Most college radio stations still don't > > compress their signal. > > As always, thanks. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 16 07:46:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:46:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> <007401c185f8$b5a72be0$083442cf@sank1> <3C1C3EF0.5570E93A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a201c185fd$6fc0a200$083442cf@sank1> Well, Jim, I'll bet you haven't either! Perhaps somebody else around here has? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Bet you haven't compared the LAT cables to any of Analysis Plus'. hehehe > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any > > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make > > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & > > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & > > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten > > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, > > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? > > > > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > > > connectors are like. > > > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > > Neutrik. As > > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > > > and that > > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > > anytime > > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > > > tighter > > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > > pins. > > > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > > > & > > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > > > center pin > > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > > > a > > > > > > bit over > > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > > > center > > > > > > pin > > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > > problem > > > > > > should be > > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > > Stephen > > > > > > - > > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > > > right > > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > > > channels. > > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > > > to > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > > > both > > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > > > it > > > > > > again, > > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > > > in. > > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > > > all > > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks > > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > > looser > > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > > jacks. > > > > > > The right > > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > > > very > > > > > > easily, > > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > > > right > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > > > for > > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > > > ch > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > > > the > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > > Transducer > > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > > interconnects > > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > > occasionally > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > > preamp > > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > > > output > > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > > strange > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > > > Radio > > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > > means > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 07:50:26 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:50:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy and have Stephen mod. I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have the room. also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all recomend used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. Thanks Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 07:54:45 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:54:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. check it out at http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna hth warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... > In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:29:37 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively > louder so you can > hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The > signal never > becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > OK, thanks Jim. FWIW - my FM radio sounds better in my car than through my > system. A noticeable difference. Without an outdoor antenna, I'm stuck with > the crummy FM reception most city dwellers are also stuck with. :-( > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 07:54:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:54:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works very, very well. Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides nicely behind a set of drapes. http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:29:37 AM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively > louder so you can > hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The > signal never > becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > OK, thanks Jim. FWIW - my FM radio sounds better in my car than through my > system. A noticeable difference. Without an outdoor antenna, I'm stuck with > the crummy FM reception most city dwellers are also stuck with. :-( > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 08:11:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:11:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations Message-ID: <145.66ab41e.294da333@aol.com> Hey Warren, You know you can pick up a CR-7 these days it seems for much less than the Dragons. What about a CR-5? Or, since you're recording a modified CR-4 (or is the CR-3 with the 3-heads and auto-calibration system)? The reason the CR-5 comes to mind is that it has everything the CR-7 has minus the calibration system. Not a bad deal. Also, would a BX-300 work in this case? I don't personally care for them, but the LX-5 seems to be a highly regarded Nak as well. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 08:13:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:13:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... Message-ID: <17a.dbd13e.294da393@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:58:14 AM Central Standard Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. check it out at http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna hth warren >> Thanks for the link Warren. I stop using my Trek indoor-amplified antenna and have my tuner connected to the antenna on the roof of my apartment. Unfortunately, I don't think the antenna is connected so in actuality I'm using a long wire as an FM antenna. -Sam -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:17:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:17:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: Message-ID: <3C1C4A96.9421F86E@earthlink.net> Sam, I used to own a BAT VK-5i. I wasn't very impressed with it. It certainly didn't sound like the tube preamp that I had hoped for. Or maybe it was the awful sounding Krell FPB250M monoblocks that I was listening to it through. I'm heard the Watt/Puppies on a numerous occasions and was never impressed either. They do have enormous dynamic capability but they certainly aren't very refined. Makes me wonder what all the reviewers are smoking. I have a customer who owns the Prodigies. He originally called me because his $15,000 Mac MC2000 and $20,000 Linn Klimax monoblocks sounded like caca with his Martin Logans. I brought my lowly $3000 Innersound electrostatic amplifier over to his place for a comparison. When I arrived at his million dollar home and saw his brand new Lexus and $150,000 home theater system, I thought to myself "even if the Innersound does sound better, he won't buy it. It's not expensive enough." Well, we did some comparisons and the Innersound made the Mac sound slow and lethargic and the Linn bright and harsh. Actually, the Prodigies tend to sound slow and lethargic all on their own. They still haven't come up with a phase coherent hybrid electrostat design. Needless to say though, he wrote a check for the Innersound amp on the spot. He was also interested in getting a second pair of speakers because his Prodigies don't provide the slam he sometimes craves. We brought all three of his amps to the Silverline factory to listen to some of their speakers. To our surprise the Innersound bested the other amps on dynamics speakers too. I have since learned that 40% of all Innersound ESL amps are sold to owners of dynamic speaker. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi again, > > You guys told me to ask if I had any questions. What's the "real" deal with > BAT ss and tube preamps? Can you believe what you read regarding them? > > Also, does anyone on this list own a pair of Wilson Watt Puppies? What's so > special about these speakers as they seem to be the speakers of choice among > the magazine reviewers. I heard a pair in a local audio store and was not > impressed. Granted, it could have been the store's setup (e.g., Tweeter > Center) but I was not impressed. I'd take a pair of the Martin Logan > Prodigy's over the Wilson's I auditioned. As always, thank you for your help > with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:20:29 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:20:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... References: <3e.163a8188.294d9438@aol.com> <3C1C3E79.C7A5759F@earthlink.net> <00c901c185fc$c9530ac0$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1C4B3D.9026E8D0@earthlink.net> Of course. It figures that the reason comes down to dollar and cents. That's what I get thinking like an audiophile.... LOL Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > I wish this was the reason but I doubt it I've copied my off line > response to Sam below which I think is more realistic. > but a couple of things Like Jim said its never decompressed > although one of the standards of digital audio broadcasting > is suposedly the ability to reverse the compression at the > receiving end. But we don't have Dab here yet so I've > never seen anything on it any Euro Nakers played with a > dab tuner yet? > as for college and npr stations being non comercial they seem to > resist a heavy hand on the compressor > Warren > ,y reply to Sam > The simple answer is the loudest station is thought to be > the one listened to when surfing the dial. The FCC limits the > actual power of a station and fines stations that exceed the legal > power output. so the answer is to compress the heck out of the > sound so that the station broadcasts as close as possible to the limit, > all the time. > compression also explains why adds jump out at you while watching tv > or listening to the radio. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > signals compre... > > > No, the music is compressed so the quiet passages become effectively > louder so you can > > hear it above the engine and road noise while listening in your car. The > signal never > > becomes decompressed, unless you use an expander. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/16/2001 12:00:03 AM Central Standard Time, > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > > > Most FM listening is done while in the car. With the dynamic range of > the > > > original > > > recording, the quieter passages would be lost amongst the road and > engine > > > noise, etc. > > > Most pop recordings are similarly compressed right onto the CD. > Santana's > > > Supernatural > > > is a good example. There can't be much more than 10 dB of dynamic range > on > > > that CD. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > I'm still not there. So the FM radio signal is compressed so that the > > > station can pump more wattage? So, where is the signal decompressed? > FM > > > radio broadcasters didn't always compress their signals, so what lead to > this > > > practice being so widespread? Most college radio stations still don't > > > compress their signal. > > > As always, thanks. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:22:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:22:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> <007401c185f8$b5a72be0$083442cf@sank1> <3C1C3EF0.5570E93A@earthlink.net> <00a201c185fd$6fc0a200$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1C4BBC.48FD546B@earthlink.net> hmmmm A customer of mine has the LAT speaker cables but he's afraid that he'll like the Analysis Plus better. Needless to say, he hasn't let me bring them over. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Well, Jim, I'll bet you haven't either! Perhaps somebody else around here > has? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > Bet you haven't compared the LAT cables to any of Analysis Plus'. > hehehe > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at > any > > > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make > > > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers > & > > > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & > > > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have > beaten > > > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, > > > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. > I > > > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin > connectors? > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > > > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > > > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > > > > connectors are like. > > > > > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > writes: > > > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > > > Neutrik. As > > > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > > > > and that > > > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > > > anytime > > > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > > > > tighter > > > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > > > pins. > > > > > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > > > > & > > > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > > > > center pin > > > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit over > > > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > > > > center > > > > > > > pin > > > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > > > problem > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > > > > channels. > > > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > > > > to > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > > > > RCA > > > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > > > > it > > > > > > > again, > > > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > > > > in. > > > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > > > > all > > > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > > > > RCA > > > > > > > jacks > > > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > > > looser > > > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > The right > > > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > > > > very > > > > > > > easily, > > > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > > > > right > > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > > > > ch > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > > > > the > > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > > > Transducer > > > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > > > interconnects > > > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > > > > the > > > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > > > occasionally > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > > > preamp > > > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > > > > output > > > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > > > strange > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > > > > Radio > > > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > > > means > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:24:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:24:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1C4C28.EAC90E62@earthlink.net> Warren, Will these mics be used for recording or sound reinforcement? Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I > wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. > Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with > the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. > So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy > and have Stephen mod. > I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 > or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have > the room. > also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover > the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass > with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all recomend > used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. > Thanks > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 08:28:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:28:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: <9f.200e07a6.294da725@aol.com> IC - you know my thoughts...I believe many of the audiophiles I reading are more impressed with the price and brand name than the actual sound. It's just that there are sooooooo many choices out there, and good ones. Sometimes I'm tempted to just pick-up an old Sansua G-22000, let Stephen modify it and go with it. But I will continue to research and listen as I have plenty of time to decide. But I wonder sometimes to what those guys are doing. I'm sure their systems sound great, but I also believe I can achieve the same if not better for a fraction of the cost. I know I can. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:39:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:39:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1C4FAC.C49E86C7@earthlink.net> I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot! Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it > just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. > check it out at > http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name > =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna > hth > warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 08:53:59 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:53:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <9f.200e07a6.294da725@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1C5317.6BD30E3A@earthlink.net> Much of the new equipment purchases are driven by reviews in the High End print magazines. Unfortunately, most guys don't trust their ears and buy the "tried and true" brands, having no idea that they can achieve MUCH better for a lot less money. And I'm not talking about used equipment either. You would be surprised by the sound of their systems too. Any fool with enough money can go out and by expensive, even very good sounding equipment and still achieve poor results. System synergy and set up are the key. Jim SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > IC - you know my thoughts...I believe many of the audiophiles I reading are > more impressed with the price and brand name than the actual sound. It's > just that there are sooooooo many choices out there, and good ones. > Sometimes I'm tempted to just pick-up an old Sansua G-22000, let Stephen > modify it and go with it. But I will continue to research and listen as I > have plenty of time to decide. But I wonder sometimes to what those guys are > doing. I'm sure their systems sound great, but I also believe I can achieve > the same if not better for a fraction of the cost. I know I can. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 09:01:28 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:01:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C4C28.EAC90E62@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <019f01c18607$fdf0e300$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> The mics will be for recording I'm planning to set up a small studio and label with a friend to do a couple of things one to do demos of modern rock (the easy part) the other for the label to do classical music using period instruments forte piano, harpsichord organ My friend has a pipe organ in his livingroom I thought I'd start with mics for the stuff I described and then think about trying to record the organ and such Thanks for the Help Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > Warren, > > Will these mics be used for recording or sound reinforcement? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I > > wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. > > Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with > > the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. > > So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy > > and have Stephen mod. > > I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 > > or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have > > the room. > > also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover > > the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass > > with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all recomend > > used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. > > Thanks > > Warren > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Dec 16 09:06:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:06:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: <8a.110947eb.294db001@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/2001 1:58:19 AM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << results. System synergy and set up are the key. Jim >> I agree Jim. I do believe the room/speaker piece is the hardest to put together unless you have a home and dealer like you close by. Aside from that piece, I've found and still am finding that system synergy is important, and the amp/speaker combo, if separates the amp/preamp combo are crucial. After working in a professional sound environment, I am also discovering that I like balanced components, both internally and externally. But without a home and a dedicated listening environment, you do the best you can. I like the synergy of my current system, I have to pat myself on the back sometimes as I did well matching everything. My speakers sound much better when I can give them a little juice, but living in an apartment that is not possible as we have very strict noise level laws and very thin ceilings. :-( -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 09:19:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:19:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C4C28.EAC90E62@earthlink.net> <019f01c18607$fdf0e300$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1C5915.5106724@earthlink.net> I'd recommend using a good quality DI box (you should be able to find a used Countryman for less than $100) for electric bass and an SM57 for electric guitar. Put the serious money into the mics that really matter. I'm sure that Stephen and others can make some good recommendations. I don't know how difficult it is to find used, high quality ribbon mics at a reasonable cost. Beyer was making some very nice, moderately priced ribbons but.... Stephen? Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > The mics will be for recording > I'm planning to set up a small studio and label with a friend > to do a couple of things > one to do demos of modern rock (the easy part) > the other for the label to do classical music using > period instruments forte piano, harpsichord organ > My friend has a pipe organ in his livingroom > I thought I'd start with mics for the stuff I described and then > think about trying to record the organ and such > Thanks for the Help > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > > > Warren, > > > > Will these mics be used for recording or sound reinforcement? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I > > > wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. > > > Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with > > > the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. > > > So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy > > > and have Stephen mod. > > > I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 > > > or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have > > > the room. > > > also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover > > > the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass > > > with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all > recomend > > > used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. > > > Thanks > > > Warren > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 09:46:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:46:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <9f.200e07a6.294da725@aol.com> Message-ID: <01ca01c1860e$2c889fe0$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Perhaps a better question is; are any preamps any good? Stephen has his modified moscode amp I have my custom made tube amps and Jim has his innersound amps we all think they are the best amps made The first question you have to ask is, assuming we are all correct and that indeed our individual amps are state of the art should they sound the same? The same could be asked of speakers, preamps and front ends. The second question would be if they all should sound the same will that make everyone happy when listening to music. You could theorize that given multiple circuit designs that if they all approach the sota they will sound the same. Or you could theorize that as individuals we require different aspects of a musical experience to be highlighted to be happy with the performance. One person may crave a vast sound stage another a deep bass response. I think these different requirements account for the wide variety in sound quality of different speakers amps and so on. Its not really a search for ultimate truth but a search for the truth that the individual is willing to believe. In the case of the watt puppys they do some incredible things with dynamics, sound staging and articulation that most other speakers don't. the fact that they sound less than musical to my ears doesn't mean that they don't sound musical to someone else. In respect to cost while I think you can build a very good system on a budget and I will agree you can build a very bad system with a large sum of money the best stuff does cost and i have heard some very amazing sounding sytems that had price tags to match. I know of more than a few audiophiles with large music collections that have invested heavily in both equipment and room design and the results would be impossible to recreate on a budget. My two cents anyways Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > IC - you know my thoughts...I believe many of the audiophiles I reading are > more impressed with the price and brand name than the actual sound. It's > just that there are sooooooo many choices out there, and good ones. > Sometimes I'm tempted to just pick-up an old Sansua G-22000, let Stephen > modify it and go with it. But I will continue to research and listen as I > have plenty of time to decide. But I wonder sometimes to what those guys are > doing. I'm sure their systems sound great, but I also believe I can achieve > the same if not better for a fraction of the cost. I know I can. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Dec 16 09:58:58 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:58:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer In-Reply-To: <200112160415.FAA09944@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass . It is also said that there's only little information in the very low frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that goes lower but isn't as well controlled . The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very good, or at least very present, lower end . One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Dec 16 10:06:43 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:06:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? In-Reply-To: <200112160922.KAA12391@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: And don't forget that every person has a different hearing curve ! Most people of a certain age are relatively deaf for certain frequencies, so what sounds fantastic for person A, can sound awful for person B . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 10:02:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:02:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C4C28.EAC90E62@earthlink.net> <019f01c18607$fdf0e300$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C5915.5106724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01dd01c18610$68d3e340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Thanks for the advice Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > I'd recommend using a good quality DI box (you should be able to find a used Countryman > for less than $100) for electric bass and an SM57 for electric guitar. Put the serious > money into the mics that really matter. > > I'm sure that Stephen and others can make some good recommendations. I don't know how > difficult it is to find used, high quality ribbon mics at a reasonable cost. Beyer was > making some very nice, moderately priced ribbons but.... > > Stephen? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > The mics will be for recording > > I'm planning to set up a small studio and label with a friend > > to do a couple of things > > one to do demos of modern rock (the easy part) > > the other for the label to do classical music using > > period instruments forte piano, harpsichord organ > > My friend has a pipe organ in his livingroom > > I thought I'd start with mics for the stuff I described and then > > think about trying to record the organ and such > > Thanks for the Help > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > > > > > Warren, > > > > > > Will these mics be used for recording or sound reinforcement? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I > > > > wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. > > > > Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with > > > > the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. > > > > So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy > > > > and have Stephen mod. > > > > I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 > > > > or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have > > > > the room. > > > > also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover > > > > the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass > > > > with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all > > recomend > > > > used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. > > > > Thanks > > > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 10:04:12 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:04:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <9f.200e07a6.294da725@aol.com> <01ca01c1860e$2c889fe0$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1C638C.A17C11AB@earthlink.net> Well, I don't think the Innersound amps are the best made but they are difficult to beat with electrostats, especially for $3000. I agree with the rest though. = ) Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > Perhaps a better question is; are any preamps any good? > > Stephen has his modified moscode amp > I have my custom made tube amps > and Jim has his innersound amps > we all think they are the best amps made > The first question you have to ask is, > assuming we are all correct and that indeed our individual amps are > state of the art should they sound the same? > The same could be asked of speakers, preamps and front ends. > The second question would be if they all should sound the same > will that make everyone happy when listening to music. > You could theorize that given multiple circuit designs that if > they all approach the sota they will sound the same. > Or you could theorize that as individuals we require different > aspects of a musical experience to be highlighted to be happy > with the performance. One person may crave a vast sound stage > another a deep bass response. I think these different requirements > account for the wide variety in sound quality of different speakers > amps and so on. > Its not really a search for ultimate truth but a search for the truth that > the individual is willing to believe. > In the case of the watt puppys they do some incredible things with > dynamics, sound staging and articulation that most other speakers don't. > the fact that they sound less than musical to my ears doesn't mean that > they don't sound musical to someone else. > In respect to cost while I think you can build a very good system > on a budget and I will agree you can build a very bad system with a > large sum of money the best stuff does cost and i have heard some > very amazing sounding sytems that had price tags to match. > I know of more than a few audiophiles with large music collections > that have invested heavily in both equipment and room design and > the results would be impossible to recreate on a budget. > My two cents anyways > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:28 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > IC - you know my thoughts...I believe many of the audiophiles I reading > are > > more impressed with the price and brand name than the actual sound. It's > > just that there are sooooooo many choices out there, and good ones. > > Sometimes I'm tempted to just pick-up an old Sansua G-22000, let Stephen > > modify it and go with it. But I will continue to research and listen as I > > have plenty of time to decide. But I wonder sometimes to what those guys > are > > doing. I'm sure their systems sound great, but I also believe I can > achieve > > the same if not better for a fraction of the cost. I know I can. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 10:09:23 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:09:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <145.66ab41e.294da333@aol.com> Message-ID: <01ef01c18611$5a802c80$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Thanks Sam I'm sort of leaning towards either a 582 or cr7a or maybe I should just start picking them all up:-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > Hey Warren, > > You know you can pick up a CR-7 these days it seems for much less than the > Dragons. What about a CR-5? Or, since you're recording a modified CR-4 (or > is the CR-3 with the 3-heads and auto-calibration system)? The reason the > CR-5 comes to mind is that it has everything the CR-7 has minus the > calibration system. Not a bad deal. Also, would a BX-300 work in this case? > I don't personally care for them, but the LX-5 seems to be a highly regarded > Nak as well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 10:56:31 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:56:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_FM=A0antennas?= In-Reply-To: <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216045020.01ffc0d0@mail.verizon.net> Before spending any money on these expensive amplified antennas, try a cheap rabbit ear type . The cheaper, the better , with a purely passive design - no filters to cut down the FM frequencies which lie between channel 6 and 7 - right at the heart of a VHF-TV the antenna's frequency range. Adjusting the ears a bit will probably give you good results on just about any station you're likely to get. On my MR-71 I get about forty listenable stations in NYC. ________________ Marc Stager ========================================== At 12/16/01, you wrote: >If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works very, >very well. >Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides >nicely behind a >set of drapes. > >http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > >Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.di.meo at skynet.be Sun Dec 16 10:59:14 2001 From: marc.di.meo at skynet.be (Di Meo Marc) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:59:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New member Message-ID: Hi all, Allow me to introduce myself as a new member to Nalktalk. I'm Marc, I live in Belgium. Yesterday I bought a Nak Cassette deck 1 (only 198€), in excellent condition. I had some cleaning to do with it, but after a few hours it is back in original condition. I must admit I am impressed with this deck, the sound is so pure... It almost gives me goose bumps. This deck completes my following system Linn Sondek LP12 with SME III arm Quad 66 Pre-amp Quad 66 CD-Player Quad 606 Amp Audio Alchemy Dac V1.1 Spendor DC1 speakers And now a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1. Not the newest gear, but it can kick hell, and i'll never sell it ;-) The only thing I do not have is the manual of the cassette deck 1, does anyone have a scanned in version? Also tips on making good recordings on tape is appreciated, as I do not have any experince with it. I'm using Maxell XL II tapes (60Min), as this is the tape which the deck has been calibrated for by Transtec (Wow these guys handle all things, I also use them for my Quad equipment repairs). Also www.naks.com rocks, it is the only site which has info on all the Nak decks. Keep going. Well I am outta here Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all Kind regards Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 11:02:26 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:02:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... In-Reply-To: <3C1C4FAC.C49E86C7@earthlink.net> References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the $59.95 selling price. On the other hand, maybe not. Those rabbit ears are working just fine. ________________ Marc Stager ==================================== At 12/16/01, you wrote: >I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot! > >Jim Volpatti > ------------------------ >Warren wrote: >>I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >>just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >>check it out at >>http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name >> >>=FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >>hth >>warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:20:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:20:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer In-Reply-To: <003701c185e5$d5be2d60$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000a01c1861b$57c12800$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Warren wrote: - While subwoofers date back to well before stereo the *main* reason they are around so much is because of home theater where by design (and not need) you need a seperate sub. But they do solve a space problem if you somehow believe that two smaller speakers and one large sub are less space intensive than two full size speakers. On the other hand they do solve a money problem in that you can add low bass to an existing set of speakers with out having to chuck them out and start again. getting them to blend is another story. The REL sub-woofers began in the UK before the home theatre phase began and were then aimed strictly at the mid to high hi-fi market. Their success, I think is in the clever filter stage that enables you to tune them in and match virtually any make of speakers that are used. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:20:57 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:20:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DAB In-Reply-To: <00c901c185fc$c9530ac0$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c1861b$59b8b240$038f87d9@a4s1s2> I've given it a good listen in the UK - a friend has the original Arcam. It's dead quiet - no background noise at all but, IMO, I still haven't heard a DAB received that produces the goods as well as a decent analogue tuner with a decent aerial. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:20:55 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:20:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... In-Reply-To: <40.161a30a9.294d95bc@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c1861b$58c48e40$038f87d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 16 December 2001 06:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compre... Despite the continued insurgence of digital media into our beloved hobby, I'll pull a "Graham" here and inform you that I am still accepting gifts (just in time for the holidays) from anyone who wishes to give me a McIntosh MC2000 limited-edition tube amplifier. Hint, hint! LOL -Sam PS Hey Graham, how am I doing? (LOL) HEY, SAM! Get off my begging pitch!!! ;oD Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:20:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:20:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! In-Reply-To: <00a201c185fd$6fc0a200$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000d01c1861b$5abc1880$038f87d9@a4s1s2> No, but if you'd both like to send me a pair of each as a Christmas present I'll gladly report my findings to the assembled crew! (That's how you do it, Sam!!!) Christmas Ho! Ho!! Ho! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 16 December 2001 06:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Well, Jim, I'll bet you haven't either! Perhaps somebody else around here has? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Bet you haven't compared the LAT cables to any of Analysis Plus'. hehehe > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any > > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make > > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & > > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & > > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten > > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, > > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? > > > > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > > > connectors are like. > > > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > > Neutrik. As > > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > > > and that > > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > > anytime > > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > > > tighter > > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > > pins. > > > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > > > & > > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > > > center pin > > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > > > a > > > > > > bit over > > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > > > center > > > > > > pin > > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > > problem > > > > > > should be > > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > > Stephen > > > > > > - > > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > > > right > > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > > > channels. > > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > > > to > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > > > both > > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > > > it > > > > > > again, > > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > > > in. > > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > > > all > > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks > > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > > looser > > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > > jacks. > > > > > > The right > > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > > > very > > > > > > easily, > > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > > > right > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > > > for > > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > > > ch > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > > > the > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > > Transducer > > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > > interconnects > > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > > occasionally > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > > preamp > > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > > > output > > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > > strange > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > > > Radio > > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > > means > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:21:05 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:21:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c1861b$5ef46b00$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Listening to one of the dearest of the REL range made be realise that bass is not only about hearing it but also physical feeling, the way you do when sat in front of a good classical orchestra or a great church organ, when those loooow bass notes travel through the air or along the floor and resonate the organs in your body! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 16 December 2001 08:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass . It is also said that there's only little information in the very low frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that goes lower but isn't as well controlled . The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very good, or at least very present, lower end . One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 11:26:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:26:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FMsignals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C1C76C9.6CBDD312@earthlink.net> Oops. That was the shipping price. No wonder it seemed sooo cheap! Time for me to get some sleep.... Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the > $59.95 selling price. > > On the other hand, maybe not. > Those rabbit ears are working just fine. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ==================================== > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > >> I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a >> shot! >> >> Jim Volpatti >> > > ------------------------ > > >> Warren wrote: >> >> > I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >> > just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >> > check it out at >> > http://www.audi >> > advisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name >> > =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >> > hth >> > warren >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:28:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:28:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] New member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c1861c$65635720$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Ohhh, nice set up! Get yourself another 606 and have the pair bridged!! Tell me off list about the Quad 66 CD player .... unless any of the guys want to hear about it, too? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Di Meo Marc Sent: 16 December 2001 09:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] New member Hi all, Allow me to introduce myself as a new member to Nalktalk. I'm Marc, I live in Belgium. Yesterday I bought a Nak Cassette deck 1 (only 198€), in excellent condition. I had some cleaning to do with it, but after a few hours it is back in original condition. I must admit I am impressed with this deck, the sound is so pure... It almost gives me goose bumps. This deck completes my following system Linn Sondek LP12 with SME III arm Quad 66 Pre-amp Quad 66 CD-Player Quad 606 Amp Audio Alchemy Dac V1.1 Spendor DC1 speakers And now a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1. Not the newest gear, but it can kick hell, and i'll never sell it ;-) The only thing I do not have is the manual of the cassette deck 1, does anyone have a scanned in version? Also tips on making good recordings on tape is appreciated, as I do not have any experince with it. I'm using Maxell XL II tapes (60Min), as this is the tape which the deck has been calibrated for by Transtec (Wow these guys handle all things, I also use them for my Quad equipment repairs). Also www.naks.com rocks, it is the only site which has info on all the Nak decks. Keep going. Well I am outta here Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all Kind regards Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:28:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:28:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001301c1861c$667f2760$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Rabbit ears? is that what we Brits call "ribbon" ? a kind of T design? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 16 December 2001 10:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the $59.95 selling price. On the other hand, maybe not. Those rabbit ears are working just fine. ________________ Marc Stager ==================================== At 12/16/01, you wrote: I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot! Jim Volpatti ------------------------ Warren wrote: I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. check it out at http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna hth warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 11:36:42 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:36:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer In-Reply-To: References: <200112160415.FAA09944@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216051033.01ff9b40@mail.verizon.net> A pipe organ can give you a sense of weight and power but not speed. The idea is not just to move a lot of air, but to move a lot of air fast. I vote for a large speaker for bass, at least 12 inches, with a large magnet structure in a rigid cabinet driven by a powerful solid state amplifier. Not as a subwoofer, but as a woofer, well integrated with the mids and highs in each cabinet. You won't need a subwoofer. A small cone woofer will not be any faster than a large one. If anything, it will be pumping its little heart out over a much greater excursion to play the same note at the same volume, making it more difficult to start and stop quickly. It has to work much harder and the either the speed or the bass extension suffers. With a larger cone there is no need to compromise. I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated on a well recorded Fender bass. ________________ Marc Stager ======================================== At 12/16/01, you wrote: >Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger >drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass . >It is also said that there's only little information in the very low >frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean >bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that >goes lower but isn't as well controlled . >The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates >this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing >under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very >good, or at least very present, lower end . >One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a >Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on >the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : >The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a >formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." >Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover >and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think >that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the >disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . > >Eddy > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 11:37:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:37:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <000d01c1861b$5abc1880$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1C7976.6928DEB1@earthlink.net> Nice try, Graham.... LOL Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > No, but if you'd both like to send me a pair of each as a Christmas present > I'll gladly report my findings to the assembled crew! (That's how you do > it, Sam!!!) > > Christmas Ho! Ho!! Ho! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 December 2001 06:47 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > Well, Jim, I'll bet you haven't either! Perhaps somebody else around here > has? > > Stephen Sank, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 11:43:57 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:43:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FMsignals compr... In-Reply-To: <3C1C76C9.6CBDD312@earthlink.net> References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216054229.020017a0@mail.verizon.net> Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount? ________________ Marc Stager At 12/16/01, you wrote: >Oops. That was the shipping price. >No wonder it seemed sooo cheap! >Time for me to get some sleep.... > >Jim Volpatti > >Marc Stager wrote: >> I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the >>$59.95 selling price. >> >>On the other hand, maybe not. >>Those rabbit ears are working just fine. >> >>________________ Marc Stager >> >>==================================== >> >>At 12/16/01, you wrote: >>>I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot! >>> >>>Jim Volpatti >>> >>------------------------ >> >>>Warren wrote: >>>>I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >>>>just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >>>>check it out at >>>>http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name >>>> >>>>=FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >>>>hth >>>>warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 11:41:21 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:41:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216051033.01ff9b40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c1861e$339db940$038f87d9@a4s1s2> - I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated on a well recorded Fender bass. ________________ Marc Stager ======================================== Also, try any CD by Sileas and wait for the low notes of the electric harp. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Dec 16 11:57:06 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:57:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer In-Reply-To: <200112161110.MAA13433@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > on a well recorded Fender bass. Hi Marc, is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should hear "notes" . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 12:13:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:13:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why areFMsignals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <00e901c185fe$8bc4c340$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011216054229.020017a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C1C81CC.1E638EB8@earthlink.net> Actually, they called about a year ago to inquire if I might be interested in selling there product. I am not currently offering any tuners so I politely turned them down. Now, if they mentioned a dealer price of $7..... Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > >> Oops. That was the shipping price. >> No wonder it seemed sooo cheap! >> Time for me to get some sleep.... >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> Marc Stager wrote: >> >> > I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the >> > $59.95 selling price. >> > >> > On the other hand, maybe not. >> > Those rabbit ears are working just fine. >> > >> > ________________ Marc Stager >> > >> > ==================================== >> > >> > At 12/16/01, you wrote: >> > >> >> I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth >> >> a shot! >> >> >> >> Jim Volpatti >> > >> > ------------------------ >> > >> > >> >> Warren wrote: >> >> >> >> > I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >> >> > just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >> >> > check it out at >> >> > http://www.audi >> >> > advisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name >> >> > =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >> >> > hth >> >> > warren >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 12:28:54 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:28:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... In-Reply-To: <001301c1861c$667f2760$038f87d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216050014.01fdb5f0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216060252.0200a780@mail.verizon.net> Like so: http://store.corbis.com/prodconfig/image_details.asp?imageid=11486529 Just a cheap TV antenna. ________________ Marc Stager At 12/16/01, you wrote: >Rabbit ears? is that what we Brits call "ribbon" ? a kind of T design? > >Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 12:32:55 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:32:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer In-Reply-To: References: <200112161110.MAA13433@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216063003.0200fc30@mail.verizon.net> At 12/16/01, you wrote: > > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > > on a well recorded Fender bass. > >Hi Marc, > >is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? >I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should >hear "notes" . > >Eddy ================================= Yep. And on that bass run on "Sometimes in Winter", the bottom notes should be effortless. If you've got a good set-up, you're gonna feel it, not just hear it. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 16 14:50:47 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:50:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009a01c18638$aa7b6a70$bd021fac@brianm> I am using an antenna such as suggested by Jim, though it the Fanfare FM-2G, basically the same, and I am pleased with it's performance; but I didn't have anything before this to compare it with either. Those in the know do say that if you are serious about FM, a dedicated FM antenna is the way to go and one of these diploes is the minimum. http://www.fanfare.com/fm-2g-buy.html Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... > If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works very, very well. > Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides nicely behind a > set of drapes. > > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Dec 16 15:32:52 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:32:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 In-Reply-To: <200112161206.NAA13896@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Stephen & Jim, Since you guys are too cheap to give each Nak talker a pair of LAT & Analysis Plus cables, why don't you give each other a pair. You can then report your biased comparisons! TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 07:06 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 naktalk-digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1786 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:37:42 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! Nice try, Graham.... LOL Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > No, but if you'd both like to send me a pair of each as a Christmas present > I'll gladly report my findings to the assembled crew! (That's how you do > it, Sam!!!) > > Christmas Ho! Ho!! Ho! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 December 2001 06:47 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > Well, Jim, I'll bet you haven't either! Perhaps somebody else around here > has? > > Stephen Sank, ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:43:57 -0500 From: Marc Stager Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FMsignals compr... - --=====================_4099886==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount? ________________ Marc Stager At 12/16/01, you wrote: >Oops. That was the shipping price. >No wonder it seemed sooo cheap! >Time for me to get some sleep.... > >Jim Volpatti > >Marc Stager wrote: >> I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the >>$59.95 selling price. >> >>On the other hand, maybe not. >>Those rabbit ears are working just fine. >> >>________________ Marc Stager >> >>==================================== >> >>At 12/16/01, you wrote: >>>I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot! >>> >>>Jim Volpatti >>> >>------------------------ >> >>>Warren wrote: >>>>I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >>>>just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >>>>check it out at >>>>http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&produc t_name >>>> >>>>=FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >>>>hth >>>>warren - --=====================_4099886==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount?

________________  Marc Stager


At 12/16/01, you wrote:
Oops.  That was the shipping price.
No wonder it seemed sooo cheap!
Time for me to get some sleep....

Jim Volpatti

Marc Stager wrote:
 I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the
$59.95 selling price.

On the other hand, maybe not.
Those rabbit ears are working just fine.

________________  Marc Stager

====================================

At 12/16/01, you wrote:
I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot!

Jim Volpatti
 
------------------------
 
Warren wrote:
I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it
just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations.
check it out at
http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&prod uct_name
=FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna
hth
warren
- --=====================_4099886==_.ALT-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:41:21 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] More subwoofer - - I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated on a well recorded Fender bass. ________________ Marc Stager ======================================== Also, try any CD by Sileas and wait for the low notes of the electric harp. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:57:06 +0100 From: POLLET Eddy Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > on a well recorded Fender bass. Hi Marc, is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should hear "notes" . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:13:16 -0800 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why areFMsignals compr... - --------------2A465B1C4B82A5B1DCD0A58E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, they called about a year ago to inquire if I might be interested in selling there product. I am not currently offering any tuners so I politely turned them down. Now, if they mentioned a dealer price of $7..... Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > >> Oops. That was the shipping price. >> No wonder it seemed sooo cheap! >> Time for me to get some sleep.... >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> Marc Stager wrote: >> >> > I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the >> > $59.95 selling price. >> > >> > On the other hand, maybe not. >> > Those rabbit ears are working just fine. >> > >> > ________________ Marc Stager >> > >> > ==================================== >> > >> > At 12/16/01, you wrote: >> > >> >> I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth >> >> a shot! >> >> >> >> Jim Volpatti >> > >> > ------------------------ >> > >> > >> >> Warren wrote: >> >> >> >> > I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it >> >> > just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations. >> >> > check it out at >> >> > http://www.audi >> >> > advisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&product_name >> >> > =FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna >> >> > hth >> >> > warren >> >> - --------------2A465B1C4B82A5B1DCD0A58E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, they called about a year ago to inquire if I might be interested in selling there product. I am not currently offering any tuners so I politely turned them down. Now, if they mentioned a dealer price of $7.....

Jim Volpatti

Marc Stager wrote:

 Maybe they'll give you a dealer discount?

________________  Marc Stager
 

At 12/16/01, you wrote:

Oops.  That was the shipping price.
No wonder it seemed sooo cheap!
Time for me to get some sleep....

Jim Volpatti

Marc Stager wrote:

 I'd buy it for $7 too, that's huge discount from the
$59.95 selling price.

On the other hand, maybe not.
Those rabbit ears are working just fine.

________________  Marc Stager

====================================

At 12/16/01, you wrote:

I forgot about that antenna. Heck, for $7, it's definitely worth a shot!

Jim Volpatti

- ------------------------
 
Warren wrote:
I have had really good luck with a godar fm1a antenna it
just sits above my tuner and pulls in all the local stations.
check it out at
http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=GODFM1A&prod uct_name
=FM-1A%20FM%20Antenna
hth
warren
- --------------2A465B1C4B82A5B1DCD0A58E-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:28:54 -0500 From: Marc Stager Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... - --=====================_6798079==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Like so: http://store.corbis.com/prodconfig/image_details.asp?imageid=11486529 Just a cheap TV antenna. ________________ Marc Stager At 12/16/01, you wrote: >Rabbit ears? is that what we Brits call "ribbon" ? a kind of T design? > >Graham - --=====================_6798079==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Like so:
http://store.corbis.com/prodconfig/image_details.asp?imagei d=11486529

Just a cheap TV antenna.

________________  Marc Stager


At 12/16/01, you wrote:
Rabbit ears?  is that what we Brits call "ribbon" ?  a kind of T design?
 
Graham
- --=====================_6798079==_.ALT-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:32:55 -0500 From: Marc Stager Subject: Re: [naktalk] Subwoofer At 12/16/01, you wrote: > > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > > on a well recorded Fender bass. > >Hi Marc, > >is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? >I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should >hear "notes" . > >Eddy ================================= Yep. And on that bass run on "Sometimes in Winter", the bottom notes should be effortless. If you've got a good set-up, you're gonna feel it, not just hear it. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1786 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 16 16:53:53 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:53:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 References: Message-ID: <00c501c18649$dd5bcc80$bd021fac@brianm> OR...just chip in and give me an Analysis Plus cable, I already have a LAT to compare with! :)) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Stephen & Jim, > > Since you guys are too cheap to give each Nak talker a pair of LAT & > Analysis Plus cables, why don't you give each other a pair. You can then > report your biased comparisons! > > TomD > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 16 18:37:58 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:37:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> <009a01c18638$aa7b6a70$bd021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <011b01c18658$675f56f0$60756acf@johnrotten> I wonder how this would compare with the Magnum Dynalab ST-2 that Jim mention. At work I'm using a Terk AC/DC powered unit with two ReVox B760's. I wonder if either of these units would be better with the stipulation that it would have to be strictly indoors! Comments Jim? John ----- Original Message ---- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... > I am using an antenna such as suggested by Jim, though it the Fanfare FM-2G, > basically the same, and I am pleased with it's performance; but I didn't > have anything before this to compare it with either. Those in the know do > say that if you are serious about FM, a dedicated FM antenna is the way to > go and one of these diploes is the minimum. > > http://www.fanfare.com/fm-2g-buy.html > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > signals compr... > > > > If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works very, > very well. > > Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides > nicely behind a > > set of drapes. > > > > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 16 18:57:14 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> <009a01c18638$aa7b6a70$bd021fac@brianm> <011b01c18658$675f56f0$60756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <011d01c1865b$187792c0$bd021fac@brianm> Sorry for intruding, as you directed your question to Jim. The Magnum and Fanfare will perform equally. The biggest arguments are, who created theirs first! (For those that don't know, Marv Southcott, founder of Fanfare, was also part of MD in the past.) The problem with "booster" antennas is that they boost distortion along with the signal. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... > I wonder how this would compare with the Magnum Dynalab ST-2 that Jim > mention. At work I'm using a Terk AC/DC powered unit with two ReVox B760's. > I wonder if either of these units would be better with the stipulation that > it would have to be strictly indoors! Comments Jim? > > John > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > signals compr... > > > > I am using an antenna such as suggested by Jim, though it the Fanfare > FM-2G, > > basically the same, and I am pleased with it's performance; but I didn't > > have anything before this to compare it with either. Those in the know do > > say that if you are serious about FM, a dedicated FM antenna is the way to > > go and one of these diploes is the minimum. > > > > http://www.fanfare.com/fm-2g-buy.html > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > > signals compr... > > > > > > > If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works > very, > > very well. > > > Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides > > nicely behind a > > > set of drapes. > > > > > > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 20:36:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:36:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 References: <00c501c18649$dd5bcc80$bd021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C1CF7D8.3F1AED00@earthlink.net> Brian, Do you have the interconnect or speaker cable? What does your system consist of? Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > OR...just chip in and give me an Analysis Plus cable, I already have a LAT > to compare with! :)) > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > Stephen & Jim, > > > > Since you guys are too cheap to give each Nak talker a pair of LAT & > > Analysis Plus cables, why don't you give each other a pair. You can then > > report your biased comparisons! > > > > TomD > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 20:41:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:41:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... References: <12.17426a22.294d9a6f@aol.com> <3C1C453E.C0913C8C@earthlink.net> <009a01c18638$aa7b6a70$bd021fac@brianm> <011b01c18658$675f56f0$60756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3C1CF8CF.DF5F2F4F@earthlink.net> Is the Terk an amplified antenna? Are you more concerned about receiving local or distant radio stations? Is your FM dial densely populated? Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > I wonder how this would compare with the Magnum Dynalab ST-2 that Jim > mention. At work I'm using a Terk AC/DC powered unit with two ReVox B760's. > I wonder if either of these units would be better with the stipulation that > it would have to be strictly indoors! Comments Jim? > > John > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > signals compr... > > > I am using an antenna such as suggested by Jim, though it the Fanfare > FM-2G, > > basically the same, and I am pleased with it's performance; but I didn't > > have anything before this to compare it with either. Those in the know do > > say that if you are serious about FM, a dedicated FM antenna is the way to > > go and one of these diploes is the minimum. > > > > http://www.fanfare.com/fm-2g-buy.html > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > > signals compr... > > > > > > > If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works > very, > > very well. > > > Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides > > nicely behind a > > > set of drapes. > > > > > > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 20:50:05 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:50:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216063003.0200fc30@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: While on topic of subwoofers; anyone have any experience in matching an amplifier to a McIntosh HT2 passive (2 x 12" woofers, 88db sens) subwoofer? We are looking at amps such as parasound hca2200/hafler xl600/mcintosh mc7100/bryston 3b...all in bridged mode. We think 300 watts s/b minimum and think 500 to 600 would be very nice. We have a hafler xl600 locally we can have for 450. The internal crossover of a denon home theatre receiver is being used to cross to the woofer. A good crossover will come at a later date. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Subwoofer At 12/16/01, you wrote: > > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > > on a well recorded Fender bass. > >Hi Marc, > >is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? >I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should >hear "notes" . > >Eddy ================================= Yep. And on that bass run on "Sometimes in Winter", the bottom notes should be effortless. If you've got a good set-up, you're gonna feel it, not just hear it. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 16 20:55:00 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:55:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... In-Reply-To: <3C1CF8CF.DF5F2F4F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We used to just buy a Radio Shack FM antenna and stick it outside when we wanted to pick up weak signals of local dead shows being broadcast. It worked much better..and without and signal boost...than the Terk I currently use. The supplie little plastic AM thing that came with the tuner works better than the Terk. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM signals compr... Is the Terk an amplified antenna? Are you more concerned about receiving local or distant radio stations? Is your FM dial densely populated? Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > I wonder how this would compare with the Magnum Dynalab ST-2 that Jim > mention. At work I'm using a Terk AC/DC powered unit with two ReVox B760's. > I wonder if either of these units would be better with the stipulation that > it would have to be strictly indoors! Comments Jim? > > John > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > signals compr... > > > I am using an antenna such as suggested by Jim, though it the Fanfare > FM-2G, > > basically the same, and I am pleased with it's performance; but I didn't > > have anything before this to compare it with either. Those in the know do > > say that if you are serious about FM, a dedicated FM antenna is the way to > > go and one of these diploes is the minimum. > > > > http://www.fanfare.com/fm-2g-buy.html > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - baby question 101 - why are FM > > signals compr... > > > > > > > If you need a good indoor antenna, the $90 Magnum Dynalab ST-2 works > very, > > very well. > > > Just place it vertically, as close to a window as possible. It hides > > nicely behind a > > > set of drapes. > > > > > > http://www.magnumdynalab.com/x_st2.htm > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Dec 16 21:41:26 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:41:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: FM antennas In-Reply-To: References: <3C1CF8CF.DF5F2F4F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216153005.01fcd850@mail.verizon.net> At 12/16/01, you wrote: >We used to just buy a Radio Shack FM antenna and stick it outside when we >wanted to pick up weak signals of local dead shows being broadcast. It >worked much better..and without and signal boost...than the Terk I currently >use. The supplie little plastic AM thing that came with the tuner works >better than the Terk. > >Carl Correct! It's really very simple. Use a dipole or rabbit ears, move antenna to the position where the signal strength is at the max, and then, if you have a scope or meter, where multipath distortion as at the minimum. If your building has a steel frame, get closer to a window. An amplified antenna will amplify the noise as well as the signal. A non-directional antenna like the Terk will not be able to get the best possible reception by moving the receptors. At best it will be a convenient compromise. The best solution here is, fortunately, one of the cheapest. A cheap VHF-TV rabbit ear antenna. Spend what you save on a good pair of interconnects, or go hear some live music. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 16 21:43:53 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:43:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LAT References: <00c501c18649$dd5bcc80$bd021fac@brianm> <3C1CF7D8.3F1AED00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001601c18672$6075a140$ba021fac@brianm> Jim, I have the interconnect. System: Meridian 508.24 CD player Hovland HP-100 preamp Amp???? (Sorry, funnin' with Stephen--I sold my Levinson 383 awhile back and I am awaiting a Sank-Moscode 300) TDL Studio Monitor 'm' speakers Fanfare FT-1A tuner JPS SC2 Speaker cables LAT and JPS SC2 interconnects (An older MIT 330 on the tuner for the momment) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Brian, > > Do you have the interconnect or speaker cable? What does your system consist of? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > OR...just chip in and give me an Analysis Plus cable, I already have a LAT > > to compare with! :)) > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > Stephen & Jim, > > > > > > Since you guys are too cheap to give each Nak talker a pair of LAT & > > > Analysis Plus cables, why don't you give each other a pair. You can then > > > report your biased comparisons! > > > > > > TomD > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 16 23:20:33 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:20:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c1867f$e1136dc0$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Brilliant, Tom! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: 16 December 2001 02:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1786 Stephen & Jim, Since you guys are too cheap to give each Nak talker a pair of LAT & Analysis Plus cables, why don't you give each other a pair. You can then report your biased comparisons! TomD -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 17 01:21:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:21:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 References: Message-ID: <019d01c18690$b657bb20$083442cf@sank1> I think the XL600 Hafler would be an excellent choice for a sub amp. It has a huge power supply & MOSFET output, so it will have much more "iron fist" control of the woofers than the others you are considering. It's also, I'm sure, the cheapest. And it's bulletproof reliable. I'm pretty damn sure you will be more than happy with a single one in stereo mode, too. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 > While on topic of subwoofers; anyone have any experience in matching an > amplifier to a McIntosh HT2 passive (2 x 12" woofers, 88db sens) subwoofer? > We are looking at amps such as parasound hca2200/hafler xl600/mcintosh > mc7100/bryston 3b...all in bridged mode. We think 300 watts s/b minimum and > think 500 to 600 would be very nice. We have a hafler xl600 locally we can > have for 450. The internal crossover of a denon home theatre receiver is > being used to cross to the woofer. A good crossover will come at a later > date. > > Thanks, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Subwoofer > > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > > > > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > > > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > > > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > > > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > > > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > > > on a well recorded Fender bass. > > > >Hi Marc, > > > >is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? > >I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should > >hear "notes" . > > > >Eddy > > ================================= > > Yep. > > And on that bass run on "Sometimes in Winter", the bottom notes > should be effortless. If you've got a good set-up, you're gonna feel it, > not just hear it. > ________________ Marc Stager > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 17 01:27:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:27:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer References: <000e01c1861b$5ef46b00$038f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01a801c18691$ab4b4020$083442cf@sank1> Got to agree with you there, Graham. For the last five years, I have done most of my listening on concrete slab floors, since this area is pretty devoid of basements. So, you really have to crank loud to feel the music in your feet. About three years ago, I sold a pair of my larger speakers(7" woof/mid x 2 & 1" tw, 2.5cu.ft.) to a guy down south a ways near Socorro, to which I delivered & installed the speakers. The house was an authentic adobe, so the floors were very active wood planking. It was a wonderful experience to again feel all of that vibration up through my feet, without having to blast my ears out. My next house will have to be one with wood floors! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] More subwoofer > Listening to one of the dearest of the REL range made be realise that bass > is not only about hearing it but also physical feeling, the way you do when > sat in front of a good classical orchestra or a great church organ, when > those loooow bass notes travel through the air or along the floor and > resonate the organs in your body! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > POLLET Eddy > Sent: 16 December 2001 08:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer > > > Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger > drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass . > It is also said that there's only little information in the very low > frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean > bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that > goes lower but isn't as well controlled . > The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates > this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing > under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very > good, or at least very present, lower end . > One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a > Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on > the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : > The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a > formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." > Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover > and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think > that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the > disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 17 01:40:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:40:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> <00df01c185fd$f1c4a120$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C4C28.EAC90E62@earthlink.net> <019f01c18607$fdf0e300$68ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C1C5915.5106724@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01b601c18693$62823720$083442cf@sank1> I have made some recommendations to Warren on mics, but off list, as I'm afraid that I'm in danger of sounding like a "sales hack" around here! The first mic recommendation I made was the Beyer M260 ribbon, but not as stock. The stock ribbon sounds like doo-doo compared to what they sound like after my "DX mod" on them, which has become very well known on rec.audio.pro newsgroup. There is info on my website about these & RCA & other ribbon mics, for anyone interested. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > I'd recommend using a good quality DI box (you should be able to find a used Countryman > for less than $100) for electric bass and an SM57 for electric guitar. Put the serious > money into the mics that really matter. > > I'm sure that Stephen and others can make some good recommendations. I don't know how > difficult it is to find used, high quality ribbon mics at a reasonable cost. Beyer was > making some very nice, moderately priced ribbons but.... > > Stephen? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > The mics will be for recording > > I'm planning to set up a small studio and label with a friend > > to do a couple of things > > one to do demos of modern rock (the easy part) > > the other for the label to do classical music using > > period instruments forte piano, harpsichord organ > > My friend has a pipe organ in his livingroom > > I thought I'd start with mics for the stuff I described and then > > think about trying to record the organ and such > > Thanks for the Help > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] On topic for a change, Nak and Mic recomendations > > > > > Warren, > > > > > > Will these mics be used for recording or sound reinforcement? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > I sold my 700 zxl and my 1000zxl over the last year because I > > > > wasn't really using them and I thought I didn't need a tapedeck. > > > > Well I've been offered a large and fine collection of 78's with > > > > the caveat that I tape a few 100 on cassette for the owner. > > > > So I was wondering what would be a good basic Nak to buy > > > > and have Stephen mod. > > > > I was thinking of a 682 but would I be better off going to a rx505 > > > > or something better. It can't be the 700 or 1000 because I don't have > > > > the room. > > > > also for another project I need a few microphones say 3 or 4 to cover > > > > the following vocals, acoustic guitar, piano, and electric guitar/bass > > > > with a budget of around $1000.00 for all of them. what do you all > > recomend > > > > used is fine if they are likely to be still useable. > > > > Thanks > > > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 02:00:51 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:00:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 In-Reply-To: <019d01c18690$b657bb20$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, We only need a mono amp; why do you mention stereo mode? Is that to point out that the amp is a pretty good sounding amp for a solid state? I owned a dh200 with upgraded caps/power supply once upon a time so am familiar with at least one product; was a good amp for the 300 at the time (1980?). I think we might go for this amp. Ah, thank you for the information on the moving coil transformers; I shall take a look at the home build option. Or, if I can get a good deal on the audio note silver transformer I might go that way. Nothing but time and the used market is a beautiful thing these days. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 I think the XL600 Hafler would be an excellent choice for a sub amp. It has a huge power supply & MOSFET output, so it will have much more "iron fist" control of the woofers than the others you are considering. It's also, I'm sure, the cheapest. And it's bulletproof reliable. I'm pretty damn sure you will be more than happy with a single one in stereo mode, too. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Subwoofer McIntosh HT2 > While on topic of subwoofers; anyone have any experience in matching an > amplifier to a McIntosh HT2 passive (2 x 12" woofers, 88db sens) subwoofer? > We are looking at amps such as parasound hca2200/hafler xl600/mcintosh > mc7100/bryston 3b...all in bridged mode. We think 300 watts s/b minimum and > think 500 to 600 would be very nice. We have a hafler xl600 locally we can > have for 450. The internal crossover of a denon home theatre receiver is > being used to cross to the woofer. A good crossover will come at a later > date. > > Thanks, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Subwoofer > > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > > > > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > > > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > > > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > > > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > > > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > > > on a well recorded Fender bass. > > > >Hi Marc, > > > >is that the one with "Spinning Wheel" and "You've made me so very happy" ? > >I like your description : if you hear a "boom" it's no good ... you should > >hear "notes" . > > > >Eddy > > ================================= > > Yep. > > And on that bass run on "Sometimes in Winter", the bottom notes > should be effortless. If you've got a good set-up, you're gonna feel it, > not just hear it. > ________________ Marc Stager > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It (the Sony) is cheaper than any of those others though. I would say, a good tuner, top flight aerial and perhaps a 5 band expander would be more than good enough for me. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 12/16/01 12:20PM >>> I've given it a good listen in the UK - a friend has the original Arcam. It's dead quiet - no background noise at all but, IMO, I still haven't heard a DAB received that produces the goods as well as a decent analogue tuner with a decent aerial. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Dec 17 17:57:00 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:57:00 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: Message-ID: Hi Sam, Talking about tube BAT's preamps I should say that mr. Homenko uses very advertised Russian tube 6H30P which is not soo good for the sound. This tube may be popular right now in a Western world (sanks to Homenko) but Russians don't use it much! Misha >You guys told me to ask if I had any questions. What's the "real" deal with >BAT ss and tube preamps? Can you believe what you read regarding them? >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Message-ID: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/2001 11:24:58 AM Central Standard Time, MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua writes: << Hi Sam, Talking about tube BAT's preamps I should say that mr. Homenko uses very advertised Russian tube 6H30P which is not soo good for the sound. This tube may be popular right now in a Western world (sanks to Homenko) but Russians don't use it much! Misha >> Thanks Misha. You know that's interesting as one of the reviews I read about the entry-level BAT was that it sounded better than the others because it didn't use those tubes. The other negative comments about BAT have been the expensive replacement costs for these tubes. I guess the larger question would be this - can you change those stock tubes for a better sounding tube? And also, I'd like to ask this group another question in this regard - what is meant by "dark sound?" One review of a BAT tube preamp was that it sounded dark, but the reviewer didn't elaborate. I've also seen that term used when describing Mark Levinson components? What does it mean? And, thank you for your help with my questions. I think I'm at the point in my research where I've read enough and it's now time to just listen and then decide for myself. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 21:46:52 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:46:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C1E59BC.B655A866@earthlink.net> >From what I understand BAT bought up the only available stock of the 6H30P before releasing the the preamps that were designed around this tube. If I'm not mistaken, Sovtek is now manufacturing the 6H30P so prices should fall and availability shouldn't be much of an issue. For the time being, anyway. The BAT tube preamps really don't sound very good and they are the only company using this tube so the point is really mute. According to J. Gordon Holt: dark A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that output diminishes with increasing frequency. Compare "light." These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by Mark Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and rich though. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/2001 11:24:58 AM Central Standard Time, > MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua writes: > > << Hi Sam, > > Talking about tube BAT's preamps I should say that mr. Homenko > uses very advertised Russian tube 6H30P which is not soo good for the > sound. This tube may be popular right now in a Western world (sanks to > Homenko) but Russians don't use it much! > > Misha >> > > Thanks Misha. You know that's interesting as one of the reviews I read about > the entry-level BAT was that it sounded better than the others because it > didn't use those tubes. The other negative comments about BAT have been the > expensive replacement costs for these tubes. I guess the larger question > would be this - can you change those stock tubes for a better sounding tube? > > And also, I'd like to ask this group another question in this regard - what > is meant by "dark sound?" One review of a BAT tube preamp was that it > sounded dark, but the reviewer didn't elaborate. I've also seen that term > used when describing Mark Levinson components? What does it mean? And, > thank you for your help with my questions. I think I'm at the point in my > research where I've read enough and it's now time to just listen and then > decide for myself. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Mon Dec 17 21:42:58 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:42:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi history in Venezuela Message-ID: <3C1E58D2.2323D239@telcel.net.ve> Hi everybody.....long time since I wrote.... The reason that I am writing today is that I found out something really interesting here in Venezuela. As I told you before, I am a good friend of the technitian that worked for the Nakamichi dealer in Venezuela during the the end of the 70's and the 80's. Today I went there to pick up my cd player and talking to the guy about Nakamichi here in Venezuela he told me that every cassette deck was checked before it was sold (don't know if this procedure was done in other countries) and that they used to write in a copybook the model and the serial number. He was the person who performed this test on every cassette deck. The amazing thing is that he showed me the copybook with all that information and I found the Naks I own there!!!! I can say that in Venezuela they received 3 1000ZXL Limited and 18 1000ZXL and that the mot wanted and sold model was the 680ZX with 67 pieces. I asked him to lend me the copybook so I can make a copy of all of it...it's really amazing....the dates, serial numbers of each model and in some cases the name of the people who bought these beauties. Another thing is that I found there 4 MX-100 (Microphone Mixer) brand new in their original box with the owner's manual and cables....if anyone is interested I'll be travelling to the U.S. in January and can take them with me and send them to any of one of you who is interested....He is asking US$75 for each. Hope you enjoyed this story Regards Isy Fidelman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Dec 17 21:52:09 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:52:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Sam, This tube was "discovered" by Homenko during one of his conversation with tube dudes from Russia (Homenko former Russian citizen). Actualy he bought most of the stoks and my guess is that lots of flames about this tube is just a bunch of commercial BS. Many many of my friends who tried this tube didn't like it. It's more transistor than tube anyway. In one row with 6C33C and others Russian military tubes. There is A LOT of tubes designed for sound so I see no reasons why one will made comercial product out of such quite exotic and non-sounding tube as 6H30P. But why do you need a preamp anyway? In my amps I have only volume control and couple inputs. The rest is up to me and my cables ;-) Sometime I'm using Nak 410 and only when I need to make some records from LP for several friends. Actualy I love this small preamp and I beleive that Stephen mentioned at least couple times that 410 is realy good one. Maybe you should take a look for one? I've seen them on e-bay several times. Misha >Thanks Misha. You know that's interesting as one of the reviews I read about >the entry-level BAT was that it sounded better than the others because it >didn't use those tubes. The other negative comments about BAT have been the >expensive replacement costs for these tubes. I guess the larger question >would be this - can you change those stock tubes for a better sounding tube? > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 17 22:16:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:16:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/2001 2:50:22 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Volpatti >> As always Jim, thanks. I take it that "dark" is a bad thing. I like the BAT preamp styling, but again I like tone controls and need a phone stage if I were to go with separates in my next system. And, the only preamps I've found with those features are Mac. But, I'm in no rush... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Dec 17 22:16:59 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:16:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> <3C1E59BC.B655A866@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005801c18740$2c677940$b7021fac@brianm> I agree! > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by Mark > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and rich though. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 17 22:17:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:17:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: <134.6595413.294fbae7@aol.com> In a message dated 12/17/2001 2:56:06 PM Central Standard Time, MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua writes: << Misha >> Thanks Misha. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 22:23:57 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:23:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> <3C1E59BC.B655A866@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02fa01c18741$245bbb20$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Jim said The BAT tube preamps really don't > sound very good and they are the only company using this tube so the point is really > mute. so its a quiet point your making? :-) But Audio Research is using the tube in the ls25 vt 100 and vt 200 for what its worth here is what arc is saying about the tube: The 6H30 is a new tube for Audio Research ideally suited to its function in the LS25MKII. It is a Russian military tube in current production and use, and is rated by its manufacturer to have an estimated service life of up to 10,000 hours. It has shown highly stable and consistent in its operating characteristics. While its pin configuration is similar to the 6922, it is not a direct replacement. It has higher current requirements for the heater filaments, so it requires a different power transformer than used in the original LS25, as well as power supply adjustments Internally, the circuitry of the VT100MKIII is derived from the VTM200. Like its more powerful sibling, the MKIII's input stage utilizes direct-coupled JFETS for ultra low noise, and is followed by a 6H30 driver/gain stage, capacitor coupled to a 6H30 follower, driving two matched pairs of 6550C output tubes per channel. The conservative 6H30 driver-follower circuit will help prolong the life of the 6550Cs, and the 6H30 is rated to handle higher currents than the previously used 6922, so it has lots of safety margin for even better reliability. (The 6H30 twin triode is a Russian military tube in current production, with an estimated service life of up to 10,000 hours.) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > From what I understand BAT bought up the only available stock of the 6H30P before > releasing the the preamps that were designed around this tube. If I'm not mistaken, > Sovtek is now manufacturing the 6H30P so prices should fall and availability shouldn't > be much of an issue. For the time being, anyway. The BAT tube preamps really don't > sound very good and they are the only company using this tube so the point is really > mute. > > According to J. Gordon Holt: > > dark A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect > of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that > output diminishes with increasing frequency. Compare "light." > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by Mark > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and rich though. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/17/2001 11:24:58 AM Central Standard Time, > > MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua writes: > > > > << Hi Sam, > > > > Talking about tube BAT's preamps I should say that mr. Homenko > > uses very advertised Russian tube 6H30P which is not soo good for the > > sound. This tube may be popular right now in a Western world (sanks to > > Homenko) but Russians don't use it much! > > > > Misha >> > > > > Thanks Misha. You know that's interesting as one of the reviews I read about > > the entry-level BAT was that it sounded better than the others because it > > didn't use those tubes. The other negative comments about BAT have been the > > expensive replacement costs for these tubes. I guess the larger question > > would be this - can you change those stock tubes for a better sounding tube? > > > > And also, I'd like to ask this group another question in this regard - what > > is meant by "dark sound?" One review of a BAT tube preamp was that it > > sounded dark, but the reviewer didn't elaborate. I've also seen that term > > used when describing Mark Levinson components? What does it mean? And, > > thank you for your help with my questions. I think I'm at the point in my > > research where I've read enough and it's now time to just listen and then > > decide for myself. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Dec 17 22:28:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:28:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: <67.1ebdad13.294fbd78@aol.com> Not to "jump" into that conversation Warren and Jim, but from the reviews I've read of BAT tube preamps, the estimated life is only 5,000 hours for those tubes. And, it could be the BAT design but all of the reviews with the exception of one mention that they are not crazy about these tubes or their sound. From the little I've read, the BAT -VK40 solid-state preamp may be their best sounding preamp. Again, not being familiar with their products I would imagine you can change those tubes for a better one, yes? -Sam PS Hey Stephen, what's your thought on BAT preamps. For that matter, what's your opinion on their tube CD player and amps? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 22:37:06 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:37:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? In-Reply-To: <005801c18740$2c677940$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Jim, What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good vintage equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice amp and one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it and used it for about three years. What do you think of the 38s preamp? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? I agree! > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by Mark > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and rich though. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 22:41:03 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:41:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? In-Reply-To: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> Message-ID: Anybody have an experienced idea of what a vintage McIntosh C22 preamplifier might be worth in today's market? This preamp belongs to an old friend, has its original boxes/packaging materials and the wooden box. I sent the thing to an experienced tech to clean it up and return it to spec; cost for that is about 250. I want to know what a fair price is for this preamp when taking the repair cost of 250 into account as I may buy it. Is the fact that we are installing a detachable grounded AC cord detrimental to the value of the unit? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? In a message dated 12/17/2001 2:50:22 PM Central Standard Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Volpatti >> As always Jim, thanks. I take it that "dark" is a bad thing. I like the BAT preamp styling, but again I like tone controls and need a phone stage if I were to go with separates in my next system. And, the only preamps I've found with those features are Mac. But, I'm in no rush... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Dec 17 23:03:34 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:03:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? In-Reply-To: References: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011217165951.01f9fec0@mail.verizon.net> About 2G http://www.audioclassics.com/cat.php3?cat=Preamplifiers&p=1 http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=McIntosh+C%2D22&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort It's a nice sounding preamp. ________________ Marc Stager At 12/17/01, you wrote: >Anybody have an experienced idea of what a vintage McIntosh C22 preamplifier >might be worth in today's market? This preamp belongs to an old friend, has >its original boxes/packaging materials and the wooden box. I sent the thing >to an experienced tech to clean it up and return it to spec; cost for that >is about 250. > >I want to know what a fair price is for this preamp when taking the repair >cost of 250 into account as I may buy it. Is the fact that we are >installing a detachable grounded AC cord detrimental to the value of the >unit? > >Regards, > >Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 23:29:26 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:29:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? References: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011217165951.01f9fec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <037101c1874a$492b7900$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Follow this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1310662308 currently 995 and here's a recent completed http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305804853 for 2257.00 hth Warren which means under a grand would be nice :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 23:37:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:37:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <24.1e316f06.294fab64@aol.com> <3C1E59BC.B655A866@earthlink.net> <02fa01c18741$245bbb20$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C1E738B.4AE2663F@earthlink.net> Interesting that Audio Research talks here about reliability and not sound. I've found Audio Research gear to be notoriously unreliable, probably because they drive their tubes too hard. I've never thought much of their sound either. Another interesting high current tube similar to the 6922 is the 6N1P. Does anyone here have any comments regarding the 6N1P vs 6H30? Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > Jim said > The BAT tube preamps really don't > > sound very good and they are the only company using this tube so the point > is really > > mute. > > so its a quiet point your making? :-) > > But Audio Research is using the tube in the ls25 vt 100 and vt 200 > for what its worth here is what arc is saying about the tube: > > The 6H30 is a new tube for Audio Research ideally suited to its function in > the LS25MKII. It is a Russian military tube in current production and use, > and is rated by its manufacturer to have an estimated service life of up to > 10,000 hours. It has shown highly stable and consistent in its operating > characteristics. While its pin configuration is similar to the 6922, it is > not a direct replacement. It has higher current requirements for the heater > filaments, so it requires a different power transformer than used in the > original LS25, as well as power supply adjustments > > Internally, the circuitry of the VT100MKIII is derived from the VTM200. Like > its more powerful sibling, the MKIII's input stage utilizes direct-coupled > JFETS for ultra low noise, and is followed by a 6H30 driver/gain stage, > capacitor coupled to a 6H30 follower, driving two matched pairs of 6550C > output tubes per channel. The conservative 6H30 driver-follower circuit will > help prolong the life of the 6550Cs, and the 6H30 is rated to handle higher > currents than the previously used 6922, so it has lots of safety margin for > even better reliability. (The 6H30 twin triode is a Russian military tube in > current production, with an estimated service life of up to 10,000 hours.) > > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 23:41:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:41:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: Message-ID: <3C1E7488.C2569E82@earthlink.net> I find that all of Mark Levinson's current offerings are lacking in tonal color, harmonic complexity and overall refinement, especially low level detail. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > Jim, > > What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good vintage > equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice amp and > one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it and used > it for about three years. > > What do you think of the 38s preamp? > > Regards, > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > I agree! > > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by > Mark > > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and > rich though. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Dec 18 00:04:16 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:04:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E7488.C2569E82@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00e201c1874f$27f26e10$b7021fac@brianm> As someone who has recently owned a product from their current line, I cannot say enough good about it! If my current changes were not to work out, I would go back to my ML setup in a heartbeat! The current ML line has received much praise, I haven't had the pleasure to hear it all, but what I have I really like. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > I find that all of Mark Levinson's current offerings are lacking in tonal color, > harmonic complexity and overall refinement, especially low level detail. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good vintage > > equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice amp and > > one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it and used > > it for about three years. > > > > What do you think of the 38s preamp? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > I agree! > > > > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear made by > > Mark > > > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark and > > rich though. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Dec 18 00:06:04 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:06:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: need bargain interconnects with split center pin Message-ID: <20011217.180606.-186671.0.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, I thoght it was time I changed the subject line. At this point, there is no way I can justify spending $100 on a pair of interconnects for this system. In the past, I've pretty much stayed in the $8 to $12 range with interconnects. What can I get with a split center pin for under $25 ? In the alternative, what do these WBT connectors cost on their own? How hard would it be for a novice to buy some decent cable, four connectors, and terminate them myself? Any other advice appreciated. - Joe On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:12:57 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation > at any > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I > make > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my > speakers & > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around > $100 & > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have > beaten > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split > pin, > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying > new > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit > back. I > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin > connectors? > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used > to be > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get > some of > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what > the > > connectors are like. > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the > connectors? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > Neutrik. As > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system > cables, > > > and that > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > anytime > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with > some > > > tighter > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > pins. > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on > RCA > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both > jacks > > > & > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, > but > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a > split > > > > > center pin > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks > are > > > a > > > > > bit over > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with > split > > > center > > > > > pin > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > problem > > > > > should be > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > Stephen > > > > > - > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem > was > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left > and > > > > > right > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in > both > > > > > channels. > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now > seems > > > to > > > > > occur > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to > make > > > > > both > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the > two > > > RCA > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I > touch > > > it > > > > > again, > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come > back > > > in. > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but > it > > > all > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the > new > > > RCA > > > > > jacks > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > looser > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > jacks. > > > > > The right > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the > jacks > > > very > > > > > easily, > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does > the > > > right > > > > > jack > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some > reason? > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks > or > > > > > jack > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the > preamp > > > for > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a > fault > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the > Adcom R > > > ch > > > > > to > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see > if > > > the > > > > > fault > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does > have > > > a > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > Transducer > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related > to > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > everything > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > interconnects > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of > course, > > > the > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > occasionally > > > > > go > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > preamp > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I > have > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the > connection > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs > of > > > > > output > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > strange > > > > > because > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: > Monster, > > > Radio > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > means > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 00:22:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:22:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E7488.C2569E82@earthlink.net> <00e201c1874f$27f26e10$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C1E7E45.CF1262EA@earthlink.net> Proving just how subjective this hobby really is. Each person must listen and decide based on their own preferences. Brian, I'm curious what you compared the ML gear against. Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > As someone who has recently owned a product from their current line, I > cannot say enough good about it! If my current changes were not to work > out, I would go back to my ML setup in a heartbeat! The current ML line has > received much praise, I haven't had the pleasure to hear it all, but what I > have I really like. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > I find that all of Mark Levinson's current offerings are lacking in tonal > color, > > harmonic complexity and overall refinement, especially low level detail. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good > vintage > > > equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice amp > and > > > one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it and > used > > > it for about three years. > > > > > > What do you think of the 38s preamp? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Brian Miller > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > > > I agree! > > > > > > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear > made by > > > Mark > > > > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark > and > > > rich though. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 00:36:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:36:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) References: <003d01c184fc$5b8ee140$2102a8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3C1E817B.22791E7A@concentric.net> "Timothy H. Jackson" wrote: > > I see that nobody likes the way that it is, but it doesn't make it right > to make your own decision on complying with a legal document. By > installing the software you are agreeing to the licensing agreement. > That applies to Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000 and Win XP. That's BS. Microsoft has a monopoly (an illegal entity to start with, that they obtained by illegal means and shoddy business practices). There is no where else one can get Windows except from them. This should not give them the right to bleed the public dry. > You can try say that it is stupid, greedy, wrong, immoral, whatever, but > installing twice is still stealing. No, stealing is when a monopoly uses its exclusivity as a license to gouge. -- Ron > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Roland Alford 2 > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for > dummies!) > > Timothy, > > I have to agree with Stephen on this one, regarding XP. I have a > desktop > and a laptop computer which I use according to my needs. Since they are > both mine and only I use them, why should I pay for two Operating > Systems? > > Even the recording industry recognizes a person's right to have an > archival > copy of a recording, like the cassettes that all of us have made on our > beloved Nakamichi Decks, to play in the car or Walkman. None of us > would go > out and buy two duplicate CDs to play one in the car because of > copyright > laws. It's just plain stupid. > > To me, it equates to double jeopardy in legal terms. They shouldn't be > able > to hang you for the same reason twice (assuming you survive the first > hanging). > > It's just plain greed, and it's just plain stupid!! Another reason to > stick > with 2000 Pro if you are going to use the MS OS at all. > > --Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 00:41:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:41:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Software license References: <000201c1857f$22131020$b2a887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1E8295.4C196369@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Right on Eddy. (Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? > Is he still alive?) I'll say he is. The bozo managed to put Bush (that stands against EVERYTHING Nader ever preached for), almost single-handedly. -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > POLLET Eddy > Sent: 15 December 2001 11:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Software license > > Hi all, > > I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every > other software license ... in short : > You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The > only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , > you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . > If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or > money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . > Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the world, > making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . > You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very > likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . > Support : none you have a right to . > > Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software . > > When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts were > negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had > someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" ... > there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . > > I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, but > I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with a > company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . > > The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to > buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work > still has to be done, so this is not really an option . > > WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer organisations, > should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some > rights to the consumer . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 18 00:42:51 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:42:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: need bargain interconnects with split center pin In-Reply-To: <20011217.180606.-186671.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001201c18754$8a7c7760$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Joe Make yourself some! This is a recipe I got from a guy I'd been dealing with via e-Bay Apologies to those of you guys out there who have seen this already: > > Alright Graham, your nice letter earned you best tip you will > > EVER get in audio, (I kid you not) here it is: > > > > If you want to make some interconnects and speaker cables that > > will blow yours out of the water: Radio Shack, or any other brand > > magnet wire is the answer. Its super cheap, use the 30 gauge > > spool for interconnects, twist the positive and negatives about 2 > > turns an inch but not the R&L channels together. Just one wire > > per lead, and use the 26 gauge for you speakers. Unless you have > > some pretty inefficient speakers then use the 22 gauge ditto on the turns. > > > > Inexpensive low mass Rca's or spades are fine. > > > > Don't even question this, I've demo'd it many times and with > > other's in industry, even in stores, and they are as good and > > usually way better than about anything out there at many, many > > thousands of dollars. Just 2 days ago a dealer friend of mine who > > sells Magnan cables told me a pair of magnet interconnects I made > > for him sounded better than a $3,000 pair of Magnan > > interconnects. Another dealer friend and I compared some speaker > > cables from Transparent, only $9800, to my $3.00 magnet wire. We > > both liked the magnet wire better. Have a go. It's not difficult (can't be 'cos even I managed it) and they DO sound good. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 17 December 2001 11:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: need bargain interconnects with split center pin Okay, I thoght it was time I changed the subject line. At this point, there is no way I can justify spending $100 on a pair of interconnects for this system. In the past, I've pretty much stayed in the $8 to $12 range with interconnects. What can I get with a split center pin for under $25 ? In the alternative, what do these WBT connectors cost on their own? How hard would it be for a novice to buy some decent cable, four connectors, and terminate them myself? Any other advice appreciated. - Joe On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:12:57 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation > at any > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I > make > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my > speakers & > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around > $100 & > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have > beaten > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split > pin, > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying > new > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit > back. I > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin > connectors? > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used > to be > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get > some of > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what > the > > connectors are like. > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the > connectors? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > Neutrik. As > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system > cables, > > > and that > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > anytime > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with > some > > > tighter > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > pins. > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on > RCA > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both > jacks > > > & > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, > but > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a > split > > > > > center pin > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks > are > > > a > > > > > bit over > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with > split > > > center > > > > > pin > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > problem > > > > > should be > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > Stephen > > > > > - > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem > was > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left > and > > > > > right > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in > both > > > > > channels. > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now > seems > > > to > > > > > occur > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to > make > > > > > both > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the > two > > > RCA > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I > touch > > > it > > > > > again, > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come > back > > > in. > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but > it > > > all > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the > new > > > RCA > > > > > jacks > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > looser > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > jacks. > > > > > The right > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the > jacks > > > very > > > > > easily, > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does > the > > > right > > > > > jack > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some > reason? > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks > or > > > > > jack > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the > preamp > > > for > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a > fault > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the > Adcom R > > > ch > > > > > to > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see > if > > > the > > > > > fault > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does > have > > > a > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > Transducer > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related > to > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > everything > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > interconnects > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of > course, > > > the > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > occasionally > > > > > go > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > preamp > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I > have > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the > connection > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs > of > > > > > output > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > strange > > > > > because > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: > Monster, > > > Radio > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > means > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 18 00:52:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:52:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Software license In-Reply-To: <3C1E8295.4C196369@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001301c18755$f342dd60$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Ah ... that's the trouble with radicals .... they almost always lose their idealism and become part of the pragmatical, ethically corrupt Establishment as they get older!!! They're traitors of the Revolution, Comrades! They'll be first up against the wall when we've overthrown the Capitalist Pig Dog government and its lackeys!!! And we'll confiscate all those Special Edition ZXL1000s and spread them amongst the collective Nakamichi clubs of true folk heros who appreciate Nakamichi's as cassette machines, not as investments or ornaments .... Red Graham (Only kidding, guys ... ) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 17 December 2001 11:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Software license Graham Nelson wrote: > > Right on Eddy. (Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? > Is he still alive?) I'll say he is. The bozo managed to put Bush (that stands against EVERYTHING Nader ever preached for), almost single-handedly. -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > POLLET Eddy > Sent: 15 December 2001 11:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Software license > > Hi all, > > I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every > other software license ... in short : > You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The > only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , > you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . > If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or > money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . > Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the world, > making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . > You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very > likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . > Support : none you have a right to . > > Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software . > > When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts were > negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had > someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" ... > there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . > > I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, but > I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with a > company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . > > The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to > buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work > still has to be done, so this is not really an option . > > WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer organisations, > should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some > rights to the consumer . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Dec 18 04:17:36 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:17:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E7488.C2569E82@earthlink.net> <00e201c1874f$27f26e10$b7021fac@brianm> <3C1E7E45.CF1262EA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <013201c18772$8b0b9c60$b7021fac@brianm> Jim, I could go on and on with my experiences as well as others I know and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > Proving just how subjective this hobby really is. Each person must listen and decide > based on their own preferences. > > Brian, I'm curious what you compared the ML gear against. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > As someone who has recently owned a product from their current line, I > > cannot say enough good about it! If my current changes were not to work > > out, I would go back to my ML setup in a heartbeat! The current ML line has > > received much praise, I haven't had the pleasure to hear it all, but what I > > have I really like. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > > I find that all of Mark Levinson's current offerings are lacking in tonal > > color, > > > harmonic complexity and overall refinement, especially low level detail. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good > > vintage > > > > equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice amp > > and > > > > one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it and > > used > > > > it for about three years. > > > > > > > > What do you think of the 38s preamp? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > > > > > I agree! > > > > > > > > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear > > made by > > > > Mark > > > > > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound dark > > and > > > > rich though. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Tue Dec 18 04:38:29 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:38:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (for dummies!) Message-ID: <200112172238_MC3-EB11-C99B@compuserve.com> Message text written by Ron >That's BS. Microsoft has a monopoly (an illegal entity to start with, that they obtained by illegal means and shoddy business practices).< a monopoly is not illegal. that they obtained it by borderline and illegal business practices is reprehensible. using their monopoly to leverage themselves into other areas of business is illegal. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 04:42:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:42:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E7488.C2569E82@earthlink.net> <00e201c1874f$27f26e10$b7021fac@brianm> <3C1E7E45.CF1262EA@earthlink.net> <013201c18772$8b0b9c60$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C1EBB19.AEC99033@earthlink.net> Actually, it does make a difference. That's why I asked. You obviously compared the ML against other brands when you purchased your 383. I'm just curious what you compared it to so I can get a reference as to your preferences. Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > Jim, I could go on and on with my experiences as well as others I know and > it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > Proving just how subjective this hobby really is. Each person must listen > and decide > > based on their own preferences. > > > > Brian, I'm curious what you compared the ML gear against. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > As someone who has recently owned a product from their current line, I > > > cannot say enough good about it! If my current changes were not to work > > > out, I would go back to my ML setup in a heartbeat! The current ML line > has > > > received much praise, I haven't had the pleasure to hear it all, but > what I > > > have I really like. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > > > > I find that all of Mark Levinson's current offerings are lacking in > tonal > > > color, > > > > harmonic complexity and overall refinement, especially low level > detail. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > What levinson models might you recommend to people looking for good > > > vintage > > > > > equipment? I once owned a 27.5 (??) stereo 100wpc amp; very nice > amp > > > and > > > > > one of the few audio items I managed to sell for what I paid for it > and > > > used > > > > > it for about three years. > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the 38s preamp? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:17 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? > > > > > > > > > > I agree! > > > > > > > > > > > These certainly aren't words that I would use to describe any gear > > > made by > > > > > Mark > > > > > > Levinson in the last 15 years. Their older stuff did indeed sound > dark > > > and > > > > > rich though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Dec 18 06:46:14 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:46:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Software license (a luta continua - the struggle continues) Message-ID: Lots of laughs Graham, that was superb. Forward with the revolution indeed!! And down with the corrupt fascist turncoat imposters. (p.s....the 1000ZXL is the one with the self calibrating plough attachment isn't it?) Yours in the struggle, Junior assistant deputy vice lance under-serf, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 12/18/01 01:52AM >>> Ah ... that's the trouble with radicals .... they almost always lose their idealism and become part of the pragmatical, ethically corrupt Establishment as they get older!!! They're traitors of the Revolution, Comrades! They'll be first up against the wall when we've overthrown the Capitalist Pig Dog government and its lackeys!!! And we'll confiscate all those Special Edition ZXL1000s and spread them amongst the collective Nakamichi clubs of true folk heros who appreciate Nakamichi's as cassette machines, not as investments or ornaments .... Red Graham (Only kidding, guys ... ) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 17 December 2001 11:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Software license Graham Nelson wrote: > > Right on Eddy. (Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? > Is he still alive?) I'll say he is. The bozo managed to put Bush (that stands against EVERYTHING Nader ever preached for), almost single-handedly. -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > POLLET Eddy > Sent: 15 December 2001 11:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Software license > > Hi all, > > I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every > other software license ... in short : > You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The > only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , > you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . > If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or > money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . > Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the world, > making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . > You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very > likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . > Support : none you have a right to . > > Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software . > > When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts were > negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had > someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" ... > there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . > > I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, but > I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with a > company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . > > The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to > buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work > still has to be done, so this is not really an option . > > WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer organisations, > should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some > rights to the consumer . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Dec 18 07:01:55 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:01:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi history in Venezuela Message-ID: Hi Isy, Welcome back after all this time. We thought you had vanished into the Andes. That's a remarkable story too. Good to hear from you!! Marc >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 12/17/01 10:42PM >>> Hi everybody.....long time since I wrote.... The reason that I am writing today is that I found out something really interesting here in Venezuela. As I told you before, I am a good friend of the technitian that worked for the Nakamichi dealer in Venezuela during the the end of the 70's and the 80's. Today I went there to pick up my cd player and talking to the guy about Nakamichi here in Venezuela he told me that every cassette deck was checked before it was sold (don't know if this procedure was done in other countries) and that they used to write in a copybook the model and the serial number. He was the person who performed this test on every cassette deck. The amazing thing is that he showed me the copybook with all that information and I found the Naks I own there!!!! I can say that in Venezuela they received 3 1000ZXL Limited and 18 1000ZXL and that the mot wanted and sold model was the 680ZX with 67 pieces. I asked him to lend me the copybook so I can make a copy of all of it...it's really amazing....the dates, serial numbers of each model and in some cases the name of the people who bought these beauties. Another thing is that I found there 4 MX-100 (Microphone Mixer) brand new in their original box with the owner's manual and cables....if anyone is interested I'll be travelling to the U.S. in January and can take them with me and send them to any of one of you who is interested....He is asking US$75 for each. Hope you enjoyed this story Regards Isy Fidelman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:16:05 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:16:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Nak Cassette Decks Message-ID: Welcome! The features of the RX-505 and Dragon are listed on the Naks.com website - which you must have seen in order to get onto this list? The sound from a Dragon is better than the RX-505 in all respects except that the RX-505 is the only 3 head Nak able to record in both directions, giving up to 90 minutes (or more) "continuous" recording. As for servicing, any Nak dealer in the USA should be able to do it, although if you want it done to the best possible (or exceeding manufacturer's specification) then Stephen Sank is the person to send it to. He's a regular on this list. Apparently Jeffrey Galin is also on this list. If I lived in the USA, I'll definitely send it to Stephen Sank and have it Sanktified! Now that the "advert" is over, how about some LAT interconnects as suggested by Graham? Ha! Ha! ;-) Kelvin. >From: JBoris4325 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Nak Cassette Decks >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:56:29 EST > >Hello, >I have a few questions. >I am looking into getting a Nak tape deck. >I am eyeballing the Rx-505 and the Dragon. >What are the advantages and disadvanteges of each? >Which is more reliable mechanically? >Is there any type of tuneup one can do (change belts, clean, calibrate) to >a >used one that they just purchased? >Where does one get replacement parts and are they readily available. >Any help is appreciated >Thanks in advance, >Jeffrey _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Dec 18 11:52:46 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:52:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E738B.4AE2663F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, 6N1P is absolutely different tube. It was created as a replacement for 6N8S, which is direc replacement for 6SN7GT. So in some application 6N1P may be sounding good and considered as a "tube made for sound" by many. But from all the expirience around I must admit that most of the Russian tubes (except older ones, made before 196x) is not so good comparing to Western analogs. German or American 6SN7GT sounds better than any Russian 6N8S (except very earlier version made by MEZ plant with metal base). Older 6P3S is good replacement for 6L6G but newer version 6P3S-E is different story. And this list may be much longer. The only reason of using modern Russian tubes I can see is their price and availability. Misha >Interesting that Audio Research talks here about reliability and not sound. I've found >Audio Research gear to be notoriously unreliable, probably because they drive their >tubes too hard. I've never thought much of their sound either. > >Another interesting high current tube similar to the 6922 is the 6N1P. Does anyone here >have any comments regarding the 6N1P vs 6H30? > >Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 18 12:25:24 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:55:24 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Nak Cassette Decks Message-ID: <003101c187b6$b1332040$42d60192@vsnl> May be the question had been asked many times; I think one should look at RX505/ Dragon in a different perspective! Dragon has special Double direct drive motor - pretty special Dragon can calibrate recording bias & level for different tape unlike RX505 which has (I think) fine bias only. Dragon has the ability to adjust playhead azimuth automatically - so you can play any tape ( pre recorded as well as recorded on different machine with azimuth mis alignment without losing HF response) with quite a bit of sound coming from Dragon which is amazing. Rx505 is also a special Nak because of auto reverse recording capability while Dragon can play both directions but cannot record continuously on both side. Because of DD motor/ auto azimuth and quite a reputation with Dragon designation; Dragon will cost about 1.5 times RX505. If you have the money - forget about continuous 100min recording , go for Dragon !Otherwise RX505 will anyway has the wow factor with amazing Tape turning mechanism. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Questions about Nak Cassette Decks > >Welcome! > >The features of the RX-505 and Dragon are listed on the Naks.com website - >which you must have seen in order to get onto this list? The sound from a >Dragon is better than the RX-505 in all respects except that the RX-505 is >the only 3 head Nak able to record in both directions, giving up to 90 >minutes (or more) "continuous" recording. As for servicing, any Nak dealer >in the USA should be able to do it, although if you want it done to the best >possible (or exceeding manufacturer's specification) then Stephen Sank is >the person to send it to. He's a regular on this list. Apparently Jeffrey >Galin is also on this list. If I lived in the USA, I'll definitely send it >to Stephen Sank and have it Sanktified! > >Now that the "advert" is over, how about some LAT interconnects as suggested >by Graham? Ha! Ha! ;-) > >Kelvin. > > >>From: JBoris4325 at aol.com >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Nak Cassette Decks >>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:56:29 EST >> >>Hello, >>I have a few questions. >>I am looking into getting a Nak tape deck. >>I am eyeballing the Rx-505 and the Dragon. >>What are the advantages and disadvanteges of each? >>Which is more reliable mechanically? >>Is there any type of tuneup one can do (change belts, clean, calibrate) to >>a >>used one that they just purchased? >>Where does one get replacement parts and are they readily available. >>Any help is appreciated >>Thanks in advance, >>Jeffrey > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Dec 18 14:05:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:05:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? References: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011217165951.01f9fec0@mail.verizon.net> <037101c1874a$492b7900$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000901c187c4$ba67f740$6f289bca@smarzuki> Hi Warren, what about c29 preamp's value ? I remember a post saying something that the volume pot is immersed in a liquid ? Which Mac preamp has this feature ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? > Follow this auction > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1310662308 currently > 995 > and here's a recent completed > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305804853 > for 2257.00 > hth > Warren > > which means under a grand would be nice :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 16:04:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:04:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer References: Message-ID: <3C1F5AEE.B9EF1CC7@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger > drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass. Does that mean that the contrabass should be abolished from orchestras? After all, its very large -- doesn't that mean that its bass is 'slow' and muddy? -- Ron > It is also said that there's only little information in the very low > frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean > bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that > goes lower but isn't as well controlled . > The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates > this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing > under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very > good, or at least very present, lower end . > One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a > Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on > the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : > The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a > formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." > Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover > and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think > that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the > disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 16:08:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:08:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer References: <200112160415.FAA09944@zebra.naks.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011216051033.01ff9b40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C1F5BE3.5BAE4431@concentric.net> Marc Stager wrote: > > A pipe organ can give you a sense of weight and power but not speed. > The idea is not just to move a lot of air, but to move a lot of air fast. That's a widely spread fallacy. The maximum speed required of a sub cone depends on the frequency of the signal you feed it. Since the sub is never fed more than, say, 80Hz, it is *never* required to move fast. -- Ron > I vote for a large speaker for bass, at least 12 inches, with a large magnet > structure in a rigid cabinet driven by a powerful solid state amplifier. > Not as a subwoofer, but as a woofer, well integrated with the mids and > highs in each cabinet. You won't need a subwoofer. > > A small cone woofer will not be any faster than a large one. If anything, > it will be pumping its little heart out over a much greater excursion to > play the same note at the same volume, making it more difficult to start > and stop quickly. It has to work much harder and the either the speed > or the bass extension suffers. With a larger cone there is no need to > compromise. > > I find a very good test of a bass speaker is Jim Fielder's bass playing > on Blood Sweat and Tears' second album. If you can crank it and hear > every bass note - and I mean note, not an ill defined boom, with solid > weight and muscle, you've got yourself a good woofer. That speaker > that sounded great on a pipe organ might just sound boomy and bloated > on a well recorded Fender bass. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ======================================== > > At 12/16/01, you wrote: > >Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger > >drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass . > >It is also said that there's only little information in the very low > >frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean > >bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that > >goes lower but isn't as well controlled . > >The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates > >this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing > >under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very > >good, or at least very present, lower end . > >One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a > >Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on > >the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : > >The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a > >formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." > >Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover > >and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think > >that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the > >disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . > > > >Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 16:23:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:23:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C1F5F80.E4BFC471@concentric.net> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > [.........] > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? Rather than replace the connectors, I would open the unit up and -- using long nose pliers -- *VERY* carefully and *very* slightly crimp the center receptacle on the offending jacks. This does not take too much technical expertise, but if you do not feel up to the task, maybe you have a nearby friend that does? While at it, spray a tiny amount of contact cleaner (RS has it) on the inside of the center receptacle and the outside of the connector. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 16:45:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:45:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: Message-ID: <3C1F6489.7EE12B03@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi again, > > You guys told me to ask if I had any questions. What's the "real" deal with > BAT ss and tube preamps? Can you believe what you read regarding them? > > Also, does anyone on this list own a pair of Wilson Watt Puppies? What's so > special about these speakers as they seem to be the speakers of choice among > the magazine reviewers. I heard a pair in a local audio store and was not > impressed. Granted, it could have been the store's setup (e.g., Tweeter > Center) but I was not impressed. I'd take a pair of the Martin Logan > Prodigy's over the Wilson's I auditioned. As always, thank you for your help > with this question. I auditioned the Watts speakers several years ago, when I was shopping for B&W 801s (that I eventually bought). I *was* impressed with the Watts. The speakers completely disappeared -- the sound just hung there, as if orchestra was in the room. They were one of the most believable speakers I had ever heard. OTOH, the sound wasn't as 'musical' or 'accurate' as some far lower cost speakers. Of course, this was all theoretical -- the Watts were *way* off my budget. The B&W 801s were less then 1/3 the price and actually were more musical. I kept them for a couple of years before moving on. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Dec 18 17:41:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:41:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/18/2001 9:47:16 AM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Of course, this was all theoretical -- the Watts were *way* off my budget. The B&W 801s were less then 1/3 the price and actually were more musical. I kept them for a couple of years before moving on. -- Ron >> Hi Ron, Why did you move on from the 801's and what did you move to? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 18:20:53 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:20:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer References: <3C1F5AEE.B9EF1CC7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <04aa01c187e8$595b4280$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> > Does that mean that the contrabass should be > abolished from orchestras? After all, its very > large -- doesn't that mean that its bass is > 'slow' and muddy? > > -- Ron Yes unless you wash it first :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 19:19:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:19:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1E738B.4AE2663F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C1F88BB.E646C2F6@earthlink.net> Thanks Misha. Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Jim, > > 6N1P is absolutely different tube. It was created as a replacement for 6N8S, > which is direc replacement for 6SN7GT. So in some application 6N1P may be > sounding good and considered as a "tube made for sound" by many. > But from all the expirience around I must admit that most of the Russian tubes > (except older ones, made before 196x) is not so good comparing to Western > analogs. German or American 6SN7GT sounds better than any Russian > 6N8S (except very earlier version made by MEZ plant with metal base). > Older 6P3S is good replacement for 6L6G but newer version 6P3S-E is different story. > And this list may be much longer. The only reason of using modern Russian tubes I > can see is their price and availability. > > Misha > > >Interesting that Audio Research talks here about reliability and not sound. I've found > >Audio Research gear to be notoriously unreliable, probably because they drive their > >tubes too hard. I've never thought much of their sound either. > > > >Another interesting high current tube similar to the 6922 is the 6N1P. Does anyone here > >have any comments regarding the 6N1P vs 6H30? > > > >Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 19:26:36 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:26:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: <3C1F6489.7EE12B03@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C1F8A5B.E57A2515@earthlink.net> What did you move on to, Ron? Jim Volpatti > Of course, this was all theoretical -- the Watts were *way* > off my budget. The B&W 801s were less then 1/3 the price and > actually were more musical. I kept them for a couple of > years before moving on. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 19:50:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:50:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Software license References: <001301c18755$f342dd60$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C1F8FD8.1794C7B1@concentric.net> Shame on you Graham... Never assume malice for what can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ah ... that's the trouble with radicals .... they almost always lose their > idealism and become part of the pragmatical, ethically corrupt Establishment > as they get older!!! They're traitors of the Revolution, Comrades! They'll > be first up against the wall when we've overthrown the Capitalist Pig Dog > government and its lackeys!!! And we'll confiscate all those Special > Edition ZXL1000s and spread them amongst the collective Nakamichi clubs of > true folk heros who appreciate Nakamichi's as cassette machines, not as > investments or ornaments .... > > Red Graham (Only kidding, guys ... ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 17 December 2001 11:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Software license > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Right on Eddy. (Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? > > Is he still alive?) > > I'll say he is. The bozo managed to put Bush (that > stands against EVERYTHING Nader ever preached for), > almost single-handedly. > > -- Ron > > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > POLLET Eddy > > Sent: 15 December 2001 11:23 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Software license > > > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't read the license for XP, but I suppose it is like almost every > > other software license ... in short : > > You buy the temporary (!) right to use the software on one computer . The > > only guarantee you get, is that the CD you get is readable . If it isn't , > > you'll get an other copy of it (as long as you pay the shipping costs) . > > If the software doesn't function, causes you the loss of data, time or > > money, well ... that's too bad ... for you . > > Any dispute will only be handled by a court on the other side of the > world, > > making it almost impossible for you to file a complaint . > > You also aren't allowed to change anything in the code itself (it is very > > likely that even applying a service pack is legally not allowed) . > > Support : none you have a right to . > > > > Even shorter : you have no rights, except the one to pay for the software > . > > > > When buying a specific software package for a mainframe, the contracts > were > > negotiated, unacceptable clauses were adapted or omitted, and you had > > someone to negotiate with . In the PC world, it's "take it or leave it" > ... > > there isn't even someone you can negotiate with . > > > > I'm quite sure that most of the license agreements aren't legal at all, > but > > I don't think there's anybody in the world that can compete in court with > a > > company like e.g. Microsoft, so forget it . > > > > The only thing one can do to fight this kind of practice, is to refuse to > > buy any product that comes with such an agreement, but hey ... the work > > still has to be done, so this is not really an option . > > > > WHat needs to be done, imho, is that governments or consumer > organisations, > > should take some action, and make up an agreement that gives at least some > > rights to the consumer . > > > > Eddy > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 20:08:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:08:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Are BAT preamps any good? References: Message-ID: <3C1F9426.8EB2B933@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/18/2001 9:47:16 AM Central Standard Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Of course, this was all theoretical -- the Watts were *way* > off my budget. The B&W 801s were less then 1/3 the price and > actually were more musical. I kept them for a couple of > years before moving on. > > -- Ron >> > > Hi Ron, > > Why did you move on from the 801's and what did you move to? The 801s are very locations dependent. In my room, they were squished between the A/V equipment towers and the side walls -- they sounded terrible in that location. For serious listening, I used to pull them forward and closer together, which made a huge difference. After a while, this became a major hassle. I replaced the 801s with Aerial acoustics 10Ts, that are of a very similar design, but less location dependent. While similar, their timber is more 'refined' (for lack of a better term) and more 'accurate'. Pulling them forward and closer together still improves sound quality and staging, but they sound acceptable even while stashed in their corners. Since then, I have renovated my room, doing everything theoretically correct for room acoustics, except that I (foolishly) skimped on acoustic wall treatment. The bass range was improved. Unfortunately, the room is now far too live, resulting in loss of crispness. I intend to add absorbing panels behind and to the sides of the speakers, as well as add an equalizer to the system, as soon as I get a round tuit. I think (hope? pray?) this will resurrect the speakers. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 20:21:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:21:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: online guide to reinstalling Windows (fordummies!) References: <200112172238_MC3-EB11-C99B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3C1F972B.DB053A2F@concentric.net> Herb Chong wrote: > > Message text written by Ron > > >That's BS. Microsoft has a monopoly (an illegal entity > to start with, that they obtained by illegal means and > shoddy business practices).< > > a monopoly is not illegal. that they obtained it by borderline and > illegal business practices is reprehensible. using their monopoly > to leverage themselves into other areas of business is illegal. > > Herb.... Shooting a gun is not illegal. Shooting it in someone's face is still legal, unless this causes the person extreme discomfort :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Dec 18 21:11:36 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:11:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Woof In-Reply-To: <200112181924.UAA30257@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Does that mean that the contrabass should be > abolished from orchestras? After all, its very > large -- doesn't that mean that its bass is > 'slow' and muddy? > > - -- Ron Hi Ron, It's the moving parts that count ... ! I'm not enough expert in the matter, but some simple physics tell me that the amount of air is proportional to the surface of the cone and the distance it can move, so making the cone bigger is more efficient than augmenting the distance, at least in this respect . But ... when augmenting the surface, also the weight increases, and, the force that moves it, being applied to the center, a certain stiffness is also required, and the more weight, the more stiffness, so we would have to choose for a thicker material, thus increasing the weight, hence more stiffness is needed, thus thicker ....and so on . The weight being THE enemy of speed (I experience it regularly on the tennis court ), this means that our bigger cone will be slower to react for the same force applied . I guess that for any given material, there's an optimum size and thickness of the cone, so I think there's no simple rule that says bigger is better or smaller is better (just like ... but I disgress) . I also don't know what effect an increase in moving distance has ... but it surely puts additional stress on the suspension of the cone . Perhaps someone else in the group knows more about this . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Tue Dec 18 21:10:14 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:10:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl Message-ID: <3C4BA522@mail.totalise.co.uk> Could anybody tell me the difference between these two models. Do they use the same basic transport or electonics?? Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 21:15:25 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:15:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? References: <6e.14c52a13.294fbaaa@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011217165951.01f9fec0@mail.verizon.net> <037101c1874a$492b7900$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> <000901c187c4$ba67f740$6f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <051e01c18800$bb0c2f40$59ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Idon't have an arion blue book but the c29 seems to go from around 700 to 900 hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? > > Hi Warren, what about c29 preamp's value ? I remember a post saying > something that the volume pot is immersed in a liquid ? Which Mac preamp > has this feature ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] value of c22 preamp? > > > > Follow this auction > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1310662308 > currently > > 995 > > and here's a recent completed > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1305804853 > > for 2257.00 > > hth > > Warren > > > > which means under a grand would be nice :-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 18 21:08:49 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:08:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Software license In-Reply-To: <3C1F8FD8.1794C7B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003701c187ff$ce757920$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Ron said: Shame on you Graham... Never assume malice for what can be adequately explained by stupidity. Agh! You're right, Ron - my problem is that I see the best in people!!! Heh! Heh! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 18 21:48:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:48:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: need bargain interconnects with split center pin References: <20011217.180606.-186671.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <005f01c18805$66669f20$0f3442cf@sank1> Sorry for the delay in responding. Been off line for a couple of days. The split-pin, locking ground, WBT clone plugs are only $3 each from Dalbani Electronics(1-800-DALBANI), under stock #15-0205. I'm currently between orders on them, and don't know how soon I'll be able to order more, otherwise I'd be happy to make up a couple of "ordinary" cables for you with some. If you're not into soldering, you could order me a mess of those plugs & have them sent to me & I'll then do the cables & send them to you. The plugs are $2.50 each above 10 quantity, and I use a lot of them, so, the more plugs you can send me, the better the cables I'll make for you! =) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: need bargain interconnects with split center pin > Okay, I thoght it was time I changed the subject line. > > At this point, there is no way I can justify spending $100 on a pair of > interconnects for this system. > > In the past, I've pretty much stayed in the $8 to $12 range with > interconnects. What can I get with a split center pin for under $25 ? > > In the alternative, what do these WBT connectors cost on their own? How > hard would it be for a novice to buy some decent cable, four connectors, > and terminate them myself? > > Any other advice appreciated. > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:12:57 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation > > at any > > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I > > make > > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my > > speakers & > > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around > > $100 & > > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have > > beaten > > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split > > pin, > > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying > > new > > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit > > back. I > > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin > > connectors? > > > > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used > > to be > > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get > > some of > > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what > > the > > > connectors are like. > > > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the > > connectors? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > writes: > > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > > Neutrik. As > > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system > > cables, > > > > and that > > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > > anytime > > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with > > some > > > > tighter > > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > > pins. > > > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on > > RCA > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both > > jacks > > > > & > > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, > > but > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a > > split > > > > > > center pin > > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks > > are > > > > a > > > > > > bit over > > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with > > split > > > > center > > > > > > pin > > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > > problem > > > > > > should be > > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer > > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > > Stephen > > > > > > - > > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem > > was > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left > > and > > > > > > right > > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in > > both > > > > > > channels. > > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now > > seems > > > > to > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to > > make > > > > > > both > > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the > > two > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I > > touch > > > > it > > > > > > again, > > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come > > back > > > > in. > > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but > > it > > > > all > > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the > > new > > > > RCA > > > > > > jacks > > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > > looser > > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > > jacks. > > > > > > The right > > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the > > jacks > > > > very > > > > > > easily, > > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does > > the > > > > right > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some > > reason? > > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks > > or > > > > > > jack > > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the > > preamp > > > > for > > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a > > fault > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the > > Adcom R > > > > ch > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see > > if > > > > the > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > > Transducer > > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related > > to > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > > interconnects > > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of > > course, > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > > occasionally > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > > preamp > > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the > > connection > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs > > of > > > > > > output > > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > > strange > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: > > Monster, > > > > Radio > > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > > means > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 18 21:54:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:54:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> <3C1F5F80.E4BFC471@concentric.net> Message-ID: <007901c18806$206425a0$0f3442cf@sank1> The new jacks in the preamp are Vampires, which are machined & without any way to reach into either end of the jack to squeeze the center socket. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > [.........] > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > Rather than replace the connectors, I would open the unit up > and -- using long nose pliers -- *VERY* carefully and *very* > slightly crimp the center receptacle on the offending jacks. > This does not take too much technical expertise, but if you > do not feel up to the task, maybe you have a nearby friend > that does? > > While at it, spray a tiny amount of contact cleaner (RS has > it) on the inside of the center receptacle and the outside > of the connector. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Dec 18 21:59:53 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:59:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Now for something diffferent - CD players, OT? Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've asked questions about the Nak CD players before and was told that the OMS 5, 7 and CD Player 2 are the ones to go for. As a more general question, does anyone have any experience with the Musical Fidelity range of CD players? In particular their high end "F" series CD player, the FCD and also their "Nu-Vista" 3D CD player? I think they use TEAC transports, which are die cast metal mechanisms. What does Stephen or Ron or Kannan and anybody else think of the TEAC transports? Are they any good? Hopefully better than the Phillips CDM 12 series, eh? ;-) Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 18 22:07:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:07:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: Message-ID: <008501c18807$f8d5e300$0f3442cf@sank1> The only large woofer I've heard(and owned) that I considered fast enough to be articulate was the 13" woofer in the Yamaha NS-2000 speakers, which were made in 1982, when Yamaha was making their own drivers for their hifi line. It was a polymerised graphite cone, so it was very light & very rigid, following the same design philosophy of the 30micron-thick beryllium dome mid & tweeter it mated with(wish I could get those tweeters for my speakers!). Please note that I had previously said 2 or more small woofers per channel for low bass repro. This means that you can get the same or larger moving diaphragm area as a 15" or larger woofer, but without sacrificing speed. And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big orchestral bass drums(I was a horn player) and not far from the bass fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say that a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Woof > > > Does that mean that the contrabass should be > > abolished from orchestras? After all, its very > > large -- doesn't that mean that its bass is > > 'slow' and muddy? > > > > - -- Ron > > Hi Ron, > > It's the moving parts that count ... ! > > I'm not enough expert in the matter, but some simple physics tell me that > the amount of air is proportional to the surface of the cone and the > distance it can move, so making the cone bigger is more efficient than > augmenting the distance, at least in this respect . > > But ... when augmenting the surface, also the weight increases, and, the > force that moves it, being applied to the center, a certain stiffness is > also required, and the more weight, the more stiffness, so we would have to > choose for a thicker material, thus increasing the weight, hence more > stiffness is needed, thus thicker ....and so on . > > The weight being THE enemy of speed (I experience it regularly on the tennis > court ), this means that our bigger cone will be slower to react for the > same force applied . > > I guess that for any given material, there's an optimum size and thickness > of the cone, so I think there's no simple rule that says bigger is better or > smaller is better (just like ... but I disgress) . > > I also don't know what effect an increase in moving distance has ... but it > surely puts additional stress on the suspension of the cone . Perhaps > someone else in the group knows more about this . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 18 22:11:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:11:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl References: <3C4BA522@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <008b01c18808$82a127c0$0f3442cf@sank1> The two ZXL's share identical transports & heads, as well as nearly identical *fundamental* electronics(i.e., rec & pb amps, dolby amps, etc.). They differ quite a bit in the extra circuitry required for the auto-calibration features. The 1000ZXL uses a bit more elaborate system, which makes calibration a bit more accurate, but involves a good bit more routing of the signal through active circuit stages, so may not necessarily sound better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl > Could anybody tell me the difference between these two models. Do they use the > same basic transport or electonics?? > Fred > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Dec 18 22:13:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:13:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! References: <20011216.004954.-1001437.0.josephj69@juno.com> <3C1F5F80.E4BFC471@concentric.net> <007901c18806$206425a0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1FB16A.F00F7946@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > The new jacks in the preamp are Vampires, which are machined & without any > way to reach into either end of the jack to squeeze the center socket. Ahh... This really is More Bad Luck... On second thought, this is exactly the type of jack that wants split pin plug. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. > I > > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > > > [.........] > > > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > > > Rather than replace the connectors, I would open the unit up > > and -- using long nose pliers -- *VERY* carefully and *very* > > slightly crimp the center receptacle on the offending jacks. > > This does not take too much technical expertise, but if you > > do not feel up to the task, maybe you have a nearby friend > > that does? > > > > While at it, spray a tiny amount of contact cleaner (RS has > > it) on the inside of the center receptacle and the outside > > of the connector. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Dec 18 22:18:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:18:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Now for something diffferent - CD players, OT? References: Message-ID: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> As far as I have seen, even the best of the Teac transports of the last few years have used pretty pathetically cheap low-end Sony lasers(KSS-213 & KSS-240, specifically). So, I wouldn't expect a whole lot in terms of reliability. Also, they use spindle motors that have just barely enough torque to start the massive platter moving, and, these being cheap little brush motors, will die prematurely also. Further, I have never seen MF build anything to what I would consider acceptably high standards. They have historically had a nasty habit of choosing parts just barely able to handle the desired duty, among other build shortcomings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Now for something diffferent - CD players, OT? > > Hi everyone, > > I've asked questions about the Nak CD players before and was told that the > OMS 5, 7 and CD Player 2 are the ones to go for. As a more general question, > does anyone have any experience with the Musical Fidelity range of CD > players? In particular their high end "F" series CD player, the FCD and also > their "Nu-Vista" 3D CD player? I think they use TEAC transports, which are > die cast metal mechanisms. What does Stephen or Ron or Kannan and anybody > else think of the TEAC transports? Are they any good? Hopefully better than > the Phillips CDM 12 series, eh? ;-) > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 18 22:11:05 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:11:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Woof In-Reply-To: <008501c18807$f8d5e300$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big orchestral bass drums(I was a horn player) and not far from the bass fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say that a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com French horn? Fugal (sic) horn? Gra' PS I played a Frugal horn - didn't want to spend anything on a proper one!!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Tue Dec 18 22:26:12 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:26:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl Message-ID: <3C4D9F9B@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Thanks for that info, is that also the difference between 700zxe and700zxl in that the auto calibration system is less complex (inferior)? Fred ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >The two ZXL's share identical transports & heads, as well as nearly >identical *fundamental* electronics(i.e., rec & pb amps, dolby amps, etc.). >They differ quite a bit in the extra circuitry required for the >auto-calibration features. The 1000ZXL uses a bit more elaborate system, >which makes calibration a bit more accurate, but involves a good bit more >routing of the signal through active circuit stages, so may not necessarily >sound better. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:10 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl > > >> Could anybody tell me the difference between these two models. Do they use >the >> same basic transport or electonics?? >> Fred >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Dec 18 23:28:09 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:28:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woof In-Reply-To: <008501c18807$f8d5e300$0f3442cf@sank1> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170054.01f49ec0@mail.verizon.net> At 12/18/01, you wrote: >... Please note that I had previously said 2 or more small woofers per channel >for low bass repro. This means that you can get the same or larger moving >diaphragm area as a 15" or larger woofer, but without sacrificing speed. Steve, The makes no sense, whatsoever, Smaller woofer cones have to travel a much greater distance to achieve the same output. This makes them more sluggish than a large speaker. The mass of a smaller cone will be smaller but the surround has to be much more flexible, also compromising long term performance and durability. You've seen those little woofers with their foam surround ripped to pieces. Now look at thirty year old Altec, JBL, EV, Gauss speakers - sounding better than ever. OK, so you duplicate the surface area by having two small woofers. Now you not only have the slower suspension, but you have two speakers trying to pump the same transient pulse at the exact same time. There will be minute differences in the response time between the woofers, not to mention a time offset due to their position in two different places. This will not make their transient response any better. Yes they will be louder, but even more sluggish than the single cone - with phase errors added to the equation. To use that bass drum as an example: Which will give you a faster, more visceral bass sound? A single 30 inch drum or a 20 inch drum with the skin loosened to give you the same note? Of course, the bigger drum will be louder, so you add a second twenty inch drum and hit it at the same time as the first one. Faster? Doesn't make sense, does it. A large speaker - with a powerful magnet, because it will take more energy to control a large cone, will stomp a small woofer anytime. Of course, it will be more expensive. But it will be more reliable over the long haul. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 19 00:03:38 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:03:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer References: <002201c185e3$bf693ca0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C1FCB40.4BA07EFB@pacbell.net> Yes Stephen, big drivers do sound bloated, to me, which, I guess, is the reason that most popular, hi-end speakers do not have big bass drivers. I have always liked the "tight" bass that comes from smaller bass drivers and was, pretty much, the basis for this inquiry. So, then, Bose 901's should sound great, yeah right! Thannx for the response Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > I emphatically disagree with the non-directional low bass theory. Even with > a sub crossed out at 40Hz, a single sub shifts the center image toward it's > location. I can't stand that effect, personally. So, when a client of mine > asks about subs, I tell them to please not bother until they can afford two > very good subs that will integrate well with their main speakers. The > latter being a really tough trick in itself. > As for the big speakers for bass debate, I can say with absolute conviction > that even the small speakers I build, which are solid down to about 38Hz, > can give you a chest massage, even at 10 feet away. So, I don't believe you > have to have big drivers to do good bass. In fact, for that most difficult > 40Hz & below region, I vastly prefer two or more small drivers per channel > than >10" drivers. I think natural bass needs speed & freedom from > overshoot distortion. Large drivers just sound bloated & slow to me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "POLLET Eddy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Subwoofer > > > > Brian Stacker wrote : > > > > > > Responding to this thread regarding the rega 2 and the expensive > speakers such > > > as Linn that need a subwoofer: why do speaker mfrs. build very expensive > > > loudspeaker systems and even suggest or provide a link or recommendation > for a > > > subwoofer within the system? Is it because certain listening venues > require a > > > sub. nomatterwhat? If this is a dumb question, for which I should > already > > > know the answer, then please FLAME me, update me or tell me to SHUT-UP. > > > > > > > > > Well, I'm not sure why Linn did it, but the requirements for a solid > > reproduction of the low frequencies are so different from the ones for the > > mid and high frequencies, that a separate subwoofer can solve some > practical > > problems . > > > > First of all, for a solid bass, you need to move a lot of air, which means > a > > big speaker, or many smaller speakers (it's the total surface that counts) > . > > There is also quite a lot of pressure involved, so a relatively small > closed > > speaker cabinet will create too much pressure on the backside of the > > woofer(s), thereby reducing its efficiency very drastically, which can of > > course be compensated by using a bigger amp, but there aren't that many 10 > > 000 W amps around :-) . The solution to this problem is to reduce the > > pressure on the backside by allowing the air to escape from the cabinet . > > Unfortunately, the air that escaped, will come in contact with the air > moved > > by the front of the speaker, and will annihilate some of the frequencies, > > while amplifying some others ... not exactly what is needed . > > This effect can be reduced by using all kinds of measures to dampen the > > "backside air", by folding a pipe in the cabinet and dampening that. > > Another solution is using a passive woofer, that should move in phase with > > the active one, but there again, the manufacturer has to choose a certain > > frequency under which the phase shift will become bigger and bigger, until > > the sound completely disappears . > > Anyway ... all those problems are very much related to the size of the > > cabinet ... if you can make it big enough (let's say 7 ft high, 3 ft large > > and 3 ft deep), you don't have much problems ... except for convincing the > > wife :-) . > > Now the idea of the subwoofer is that low frequencies aren't directional, > > and that the stereo image won't be affected by those, so that a single > > cabinet could be used for left and right channel bass . > > > > Another problem is that a 16 Hz tone, has a wave lenght of over 50 ft, and > > that you need at least half of that lenght to be able to hear that tone, > > meaning that you shouldn't hope to get a really good bass in a 10 x 10 ft > > room ... but this isn't solved by a subwoofer . > > > > Eddy > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Dec 19 00:20:54 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:20:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170054.01f49ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <008b01c1881a$a4544d40$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> and in stereo reproduction, stereo subs do sound different! (notice I said different, not better!) Though that's the reason I gave my wife for having 2 15" subs in our home theater...It WILL sound better.. so far she agrees. erie > A large speaker - with a powerful magnet, because it will take more > energy to control a large cone, will stomp a small woofer anytime. > Of course, it will be more expensive. But it will be more reliable over > the long haul. > > ________________ Marc Stager > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 19 02:40:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:40:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170054.01f49ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <00ca01c1882e$36751340$0f3442cf@sank1> Marc, I speak from practical, and extensive, experience, as well as in "book learnin" terms. And, speaking of book terms, if you run any of your choice of bigass drivers through a T-S software program, you'll be damn hard pressed to get any 15"+ driver to get down to 20Hz anywhere near flat. Whereas I can name a number of 8" & 10" drivers that can do 20Hz within 1db, without enormous boxes. One just needs to add drivers to equal the max SPL of the 15"+ driver. One small example: When I was doing some DVD player review work, I had my larger model speakers(2x 7" + tw per channel, 2.5cu.ft.) along side a pair of B&W Nautilus 801's, which have a very high-tech large woofer. Definitely a better driver than any JBL, EV or Altec. Using both giant Krell mono's and one of my Moscode amps in turn, each tried on each pair of speakers, there was simply no contest. Playing a DAD with an acoustic bass fiddle, for instance, my speakers sounded quite exactly like an acoustic bass fiddle(again, comparing to actually sitting a couple of yards from one or a few), whereas the 801's made the bass fiddle sound like something completely unnatural. "Wooly" is the word I would use. It's really quite easy to design small woofers with highly compliant & agile suspensions, suitable for do low bass at high SPL. It's not so easy for 15"+ drivers, where the mass & (lack of)rigidity of the large cone present additional challenges to suspension design. This is why so many 15"+ drivers have FAR's of 30Hz & above, since the suspension had to be made more rigid than ideal to prevent the cone flapping & bottoming out. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > At 12/18/01, you wrote: > >... Please note that I had previously said 2 or more small woofers per channel > >for low bass repro. This means that you can get the same or larger moving > >diaphragm area as a 15" or larger woofer, but without sacrificing speed. > > > Steve, > > The makes no sense, whatsoever, > > Smaller woofer cones have to travel a much greater distance to achieve > the same output. This makes them more sluggish than a large speaker. > The mass of a smaller cone will be smaller but the surround has to be > much more flexible, also compromising long term performance and > durability. You've seen those little woofers with their foam surround > ripped to pieces. Now look at thirty year old Altec, JBL, EV, Gauss > speakers - sounding better than ever. > > OK, so you duplicate the surface area by having two small woofers. > Now you not only have the slower suspension, but you have two > speakers trying to pump the same transient pulse at the exact same time. > There will be minute differences in the response time between the woofers, > not to mention a time offset due to their position in two different places. > This will not make their transient response any better. Yes they will be > louder, but even more sluggish than the single cone - with phase > errors added to the equation. > > To use that bass drum as an example: Which will give you a faster, > more visceral bass sound? A single 30 inch drum or a 20 inch drum > with the skin loosened to give you the same note? Of course, the > bigger drum will be louder, so you add a second twenty inch drum > and hit it at the same time as the first one. Faster? Doesn't make > sense, does it. > > A large speaker - with a powerful magnet, because it will take more > energy to control a large cone, will stomp a small woofer anytime. > Of course, it will be more expensive. But it will be more reliable over > the long haul. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 19 02:43:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:43:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl References: <3C4D9F9B@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <00d001c1882e$8a7e7120$0f3442cf@sank1> The ZXE does have a somewhat further simplified auto-cal system, but I actually consider the ZXE to be superior to the ZXL's for actual sonic performance. It has a much shorter signal path, with fewer active stages, hence more transparent sound. It also has a nicer Pb head amp than the 700ZXL. It was seemingly a nearly from-the-ground-up redesign of the ZXL. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl > >Thanks for that info, is that also the difference between 700zxe and700zxl in > that the auto calibration system is less complex (inferior)? > Fred > > > > > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >The two ZXL's share identical transports & heads, as well as nearly > >identical *fundamental* electronics(i.e., rec & pb amps, dolby amps, etc.). > >They differ quite a bit in the extra circuitry required for the > >auto-calibration features. The 1000ZXL uses a bit more elaborate system, > >which makes calibration a bit more accurate, but involves a good bit more > >routing of the signal through active circuit stages, so may not necessarily > >sound better. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FRED MOSS" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:10 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl vs 1000zxl > > > > > >> Could anybody tell me the difference between these two models. Do they use > >the > >> same basic transport or electonics?? > >> Fred > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 19 02:45:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:45:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00d601c1882e$e767d7a0$0f3442cf@sank1> First trumpet, then baritone horn, then e-flat mellophone, and finally French horn. Haven't played to speak of in tweny years, but I did just acquire a beat up old horn, with the intent of starting up again sometime. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Woof > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > orchestral bass drums(I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say that > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > French horn? Fugal (sic) horn? > > Gra' > > PS > I played a Frugal horn - didn't want to spend anything on a proper one!!!! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Dec 19 04:44:51 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:44:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: interconnects Message-ID: <20011218.224456.-133569.8.josephj69@juno.com> Stephen, If I can't find anything decent locally, I'll probably take you up on this. These Dalbani plugs have the split pins? - Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > Sorry for the delay in responding. Been off line for a couple of days. The > split-pin, locking ground, WBT clone plugs are only $3 each from Dalbani > Electronics(1-800-DALBANI), under stock #15-0205. I'm currently between > orders on them, and don't know how soon I'll be able to order more, > otherwise I'd be happy to make up a couple of "ordinary" cables for you > with some. If you're not into soldering, you could order me a mess of those > plugs & have them sent to me & I'll then do the cables & send them to you. > The plugs are $2.50 each above 10 quantity, and I use a lot of them, so, the > more plugs you can send me, the better the cables I'll make for you! =) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Dec 19 06:32:56 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:32:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More subwoofer References: <3C1F5AEE.B9EF1CC7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C202685.B77AD5F5@snet.net> It strikes me that the idea is to have a speaker that can respond fast enough so that the program material, regardless of it's speed of attack or natural overhang is not impeded. Yes, the contrabass is a deeply resonant instrument with a slower attack in some ways, but is that an excuse for a speaker to add additional overhang. And a slapped bass or kick drum can be very fast and requires great control in the bottom end. I won't say that a good large driver can't be built... they are, but it is a tricky and expensive task to get a 12" drive to be as nimble as a 6 1/2" driver. Ed Ron wrote: > POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > > Stephen underlined the problems in getting a good sub 40 Hz bass : bigger > > drivers tend to be slow and then produce a muddy bass. > > Does that mean that the contrabass should be > abolished from orchestras? After all, its very > large -- doesn't that mean that its bass is > 'slow' and muddy? > > -- Ron > > > It is also said that there's only little information in the very low > > frequencies and it is a fact that you're far better of with a very clean > > bass down to perhaps 40 or 35 Hz, than with a earthquake reproduction that > > goes lower but isn't as well controlled . > > The remark of Warren (I think) about the solid bass in a car, illustrates > > this more or less : with let's say 7 ft maximum distance in a car, nothing > > under about 60 Hz can be reproduced, yet one gets the impression of a very > > good, or at least very present, lower end . > > One record I know of, that can be used to check out bass reproduction, is a > > Direct to Disc recording of Virgil Fox playing playing "Toccata & Fuga" on > > the Ruffati Organ in Garden Grove, CA . (Crystal Clear Records - CCS-7001 : > > The Fox Touch Vol. I) . Like they say on the sleeve : "It represents a > > formidable challenge to most speaker systems ." > > Any subwoofer (be it one or two) also introduces a supplementary crossover > > and should integrate well with the existing speakers . Personally, I think > > that this is a case where the remedy (the subwoofer) is far worse than the > > disease (lack of lower octave reproduction) . > > > > Eddy > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Dec 19 08:04:11 2001 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:04:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woof In-Reply-To: <00ca01c1882e$36751340$0f3442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170054.01f49ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011219011133.020a6df0@mail.verizon.net> At 12/18/01, Stephen Sank wrote: >Marc, > I speak from practical, and extensive, experience, as well as in "book >learnin" terms. And, speaking of book terms, if you run any of your choice >of bigass drivers through a T-S software program, you'll be damn hard >pressed to get any 15"+ driver to get down to 20Hz anywhere near flat. >Whereas I can name a number of 8" & 10" drivers that can do 20Hz within 1db, >without enormous boxes. One just needs to add drivers to equal the max SPL >of the 15"+ driver. Steve, I'm not saying they can't. Acoustic Research proved that forty six years ago with their AR-1. My point is not that the bass won't go down deep, but that there will be a necessary compromise in the transient response, and multiple drivers will further reduce their ability to accelerate and stop quickly with powerful bass transients. Those AR speakers delivered deep bass at the cost of efficiency; no problem because powerful amplifiers could easily compensate. They were usually demonstrated to have jaw dropping bass with pipe organ notes or a symphony orchestra with a dozen double basses bowing at the same time. But ultimately, they were sluggish and tiresome to listen to with pop and jazz material. >One small example: When I was doing some DVD player review work, I had >my larger model speakers (2x 7" + tw per channel, 2.5cu.ft.) along side a >pair of B&W Nautilus 801's, which have a very high-tech large woofer. >Definitely a better driver than any JBL, EV or Altec. (Not necessarily. There's a wide range of pro bass units from those brands, some which will wipe the floor with the B&W woofers.) >Using both giant Krell mono's and one of my Moscode amps in turn, each tried >on each pair of speakers, there was simply no contest. Playing a DAD with an >acoustic bass fiddle, for instance, my speakers sounded quite exactly like an >acoustic bass fiddle (again, comparing to actually sitting a couple of >yards from >one or a few), whereas the 801's made the bass fiddle sound like something >completely unnatural. "Wooly" is the word I would use. > It's really quite easy to design small woofers with highly compliant & >agile suspensions, suitable for do low bass at high SPL. It's not so easy >for 15"+ drivers, where the mass & (lack of) rigidity of the large cone >present additional challenges to suspension design. This is why so many >15"+ drivers have FAR's of 30Hz & above, since the suspension had to be made >more rigid than ideal to prevent the cone flapping & bottoming out. My live systems use Gauss 5842 Alnico baskets with 4583A cones. One per cabinet. Power handling: 800 watts each. Real world no excuses wattage at 96 dB efficiency. Four of these were enough to dominate the Javits Center at a New Years eve party two years ago. Clean, fast, and deep. I wouldn't even consider an eight inch woofer for this task, no matter how many were piled on. But that's in a commercial system. In the home it's another matter. That sort of SPL is not necessary and a well designed tower with a pair of eights might do a fine job. But I'm spoiled by the effortless sound of big speakers. The ability to reproduce the lowest octave without dB loss is, more often than not, a liability rather than an advantage. Most rooms will tend to make a speaker with such a response sound way too boomy. I find a gentle roll-off with a speaker designed for the lowest distortion will prove to have the most natural sound in the typical living room. B&W speakers, the 801 in particular, are superb reproducers and are the standard for classical monitoring in studios around the world. The large B&W's, however, may not be the best choice for a home. My KEF 105's (13 inch bass) also tended to have a bit too much bass bloom powered by a powerful Perreaux amplifier. When played super loud they had no problem handling the bass so I just turned the bass down a few dBs on the preamp. When one was damaged, I couldn't get a replacement from KEF so I did a little research and bought a pair of Lambda TD-12S drivers and built a new pair of front panels. Fs went from 23 to 29.5. Efficiency went up by 4 dB. Room response: Down 3 dB at 30 hz. It actually rose by about 4 dB with the original KEF woofer. With even higher power handling and a tighter cone the 105's sound better than ever. A little woofer would be mangled the way I play these sometimes. (Only sometimes, however. A, I live in an apartment, a prewar high-ceiling brownstone with heavy concrete and plaster walls but even so, neighbors have to be considered, and B, I value my ears. Prolonged exposure to high SPL's causes permanent damage.) More info on those Lambdas: http://www.lambdacoustics.com/products/drivers.html ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Dec 19 11:12:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:12:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: interconnects References: <20011218.224456.-133569.8.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <00f201c18875$ac878bc0$0f3442cf@sank1> Yes, they have split pins. They are very faithful clones of the WBT's(which are absurdly expensive, of course). Wicked nice plugs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: interconnects > Stephen, > > > If I can't find anything decent locally, I'll probably take you up on > this. > > These Dalbani plugs have the split pins? > > - Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Sorry for the delay in responding. Been off line for a couple of days. > The > > split-pin, locking ground, WBT clone plugs are only $3 each from > Dalbani > > Electronics(1-800-DALBANI), under stock #15-0205. I'm currently > between > > orders on them, and don't know how soon I'll be able to order more, > > otherwise I'd be happy to make up a couple of "ordinary" cables for > you > > with some. If you're not into soldering, you could order me a mess of > those > > plugs & have them sent to me & I'll then do the cables & send them to > you. > > The plugs are $2.50 each above 10 quantity, and I use a lot of them, > so, the > > more plugs you can send me, the better the cables I'll make for you! =) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 19 18:45:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:45:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C20D223.218C8CD@concentric.net> > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say that > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack portion of the wave form and for transients. It's present when listening to an actual contrabass or bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is because the sub is preceded by a xover that separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks and transients constitute higher frequency information and are directed to (and reproduced by) the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* the sub. Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. However, dealing better with transients is not one of their advantages. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Dec 19 19:04:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:04:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. It still plays fine, but without the display it's unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, when the battery needs recharging, etc. I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk friend. TIA, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 19 20:19:26 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:19:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005d01c188c2$13815300$7e756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> That is my only peeve with Sony. Anything over 10 yrs. old is considered obsolete. An ICF-SW1 shortwave radio and I believe a D-10 CD player could not be repaired. I wonder if Stephen could breath life back in to my ICF-SW1. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > friend. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Dec 19 20:46:13 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:46:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218170054.01f49ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20011219011133.020a6df0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C20EE82.303DCE30@pacbell.net> Speaking of jaw dropping organ and multiple bass fiddles playing at the same time, I have yet to find, besides my old mac xrt18's, and I have tried several speakers in my very large listening room, that will go down far enough to reproduce the last part of Sarah Brightman/Andreas Bocelli's very popular song: "Time to say Goodbye". I have even played it on my buddy's stateoftheart recording studio with the big altec 604's. I am sitting there waiting for that wonderful " gut rumbling" bass fiddle and it is simply not there. Same holds true for Bach's toccata and fugue in D major. It is as though the big pipes are not there. However, regarding Stephen's opinions that that the big old woofs are not fast enough for instruments like kickdrums, etc., I totally agree. I guess the big question is whether or not the reply is flat are not? I don't know, but when you like big organ music, etc. you certainly do not want to miss the lowest of the lows, perfectly reproduced or not. Can we have both without the price of watt puppies or pipedreams? Happy Holidays, Brian Stocker Marc Stager wrote: > At 12/18/01, Stephen Sank wrote: > > >Marc, > > I speak from practical, and extensive, experience, as well as in "book > >learnin" terms. And, speaking of book terms, if you run any of your choice > >of bigass drivers through a T-S software program, you'll be damn hard > >pressed to get any 15"+ driver to get down to 20Hz anywhere near flat. > >Whereas I can name a number of 8" & 10" drivers that can do 20Hz within 1db, > >without enormous boxes. One just needs to add drivers to equal the max SPL > >of the 15"+ driver. > > Steve, I'm not saying they can't. Acoustic Research proved that forty six > years ago with their AR-1. > > My point is not that the bass won't go down deep, but that there will be a > necessary compromise in the transient response, and multiple drivers > will further reduce their ability to accelerate and stop quickly with > powerful bass transients. > > Those AR speakers delivered deep bass at the cost of efficiency; > no problem because powerful amplifiers could easily compensate. > They were usually demonstrated to have jaw dropping bass with > pipe organ notes or a symphony orchestra with a dozen double > basses bowing at the same time. But ultimately, they were sluggish > and tiresome to listen to with pop and jazz material. > > >One small example: When I was doing some DVD player review work, I had > >my larger model speakers (2x 7" + tw per channel, 2.5cu.ft.) along side a > >pair of B&W Nautilus 801's, which have a very high-tech large woofer. > >Definitely a better driver than any JBL, EV or Altec. > > (Not necessarily. There's a wide range of pro bass units from those > brands, some which will wipe the floor with the B&W woofers.) > > >Using both giant Krell mono's and one of my Moscode amps in turn, each tried > >on each pair of speakers, there was simply no contest. Playing a DAD with an > >acoustic bass fiddle, for instance, my speakers sounded quite exactly like an > >acoustic bass fiddle (again, comparing to actually sitting a couple of > >yards from > >one or a few), whereas the 801's made the bass fiddle sound like something > >completely unnatural. "Wooly" is the word I would use. > > It's really quite easy to design small woofers with highly compliant & > >agile suspensions, suitable for do low bass at high SPL. It's not so easy > >for 15"+ drivers, where the mass & (lack of) rigidity of the large cone > >present additional challenges to suspension design. This is why so many > >15"+ drivers have FAR's of 30Hz & above, since the suspension had to be made > >more rigid than ideal to prevent the cone flapping & bottoming out. > > My live systems use Gauss 5842 Alnico baskets with 4583A > cones. One per cabinet. Power handling: 800 watts each. Real world > no excuses wattage at 96 dB efficiency. Four of these were enough > to dominate the Javits Center at a New Years eve party two years ago. > Clean, fast, and deep. I wouldn't even consider an eight inch woofer for this > task, no matter how many were piled on. But that's in a commercial system. > > In the home it's another matter. That sort of SPL is not necessary and > a well designed tower with a pair of eights might do a fine job. But > I'm spoiled by the effortless sound of big speakers. > > The ability to reproduce the lowest octave without dB loss is, more often > than not, a liability rather than an advantage. Most rooms will tend to make > a speaker with such a response sound way too boomy. I find a gentle roll-off > with a speaker designed for the lowest distortion will prove to have the most > natural sound in the typical living room. B&W speakers, the 801 in particular, > are superb reproducers and are the standard for classical monitoring in > studios around the world. The large B&W's, however, may not be the best > choice for a home. My KEF 105's (13 inch bass) also tended to have a bit too > much bass bloom powered by a powerful Perreaux amplifier. When played > super loud they had no problem handling the bass so I just turned the bass down > a few dBs on the preamp. When one was damaged, I couldn't get a replacement > from KEF so I did a little research and bought a pair of Lambda TD-12S drivers > and built a new pair of front panels. Fs went from 23 to 29.5. Efficiency went > up by 4 dB. Room response: Down 3 dB at 30 hz. It actually rose by about > 4 dB with the original KEF woofer. > > With even higher power handling and a tighter cone the 105's sound better > than ever. A little woofer would be mangled the way I play these sometimes. > (Only sometimes, however. A, I live in an apartment, a prewar high-ceiling > brownstone with heavy concrete and plaster walls but even so, neighbors have > to be considered, and B, I value my ears. Prolonged exposure to high SPL's > causes permanent damage.) > > More info on those Lambdas: > http://www.lambdacoustics.com/products/drivers.html > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 19 22:13:31 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:13:31 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BDB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Ron, I'll try Sony Australia and see if they have any luck. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 5:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. It still plays fine, but without the display it's unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, when the battery needs recharging, etc. I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk friend. TIA, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 00:14:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:14:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BDB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C211F6A.F58930E6@concentric.net> Thanx. Much appreciated. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Ron, > > I'll try Sony Australia and see if they have any luck. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 5:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > friend. > > TIA, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Dec 20 02:17:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:17:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01d501c188f4$0d9bda00$0f3442cf@sank1> Best Sony parts I know of in the USA is Fulton Radio Supply, in Michigan. Don't know the number, but I know I've gotten it by calling toll-free information, 800-555-1212. But I think the odds are slim to none of finding it, since a)it's old, and b)it's not a part likely to have been needed(hence, stocked) much when it was a recent model. I do see D-25's come up on ebay dirt cheap periodically, so a broken one would be the easiest source for the part. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > friend. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Dec 20 02:39:20 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:39:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BE2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ron, I tried Sony Australia and some spare parts dealers and you guess it - nothing. You are right about Sony John, after 10 or so years the parts are just not available - silly really. Sorry Ron, hope you are successful elsewhere. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 10:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts Thanx. Much appreciated. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Ron, > > I'll try Sony Australia and see if they have any luck. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 5:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > friend. > > TIA, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 02:50:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:50:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> <01d501c188f4$0d9bda00$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C2143FE.7EB65F3B@concentric.net> Yep. I did see two D-25s on ebay. One, amazingly enough, new in box (but probably, with a dead battery, which is another $31 from Sony) is $46 now, with 3 days to go. The second, *as* new in box, at $41, also with 3 days to go. I am surprised, since a modern, brand new, at-least-as-good player doesn't cost that much more. In the meantime, I can't go to the gym without a player, so I got a new RioVolt SP-250, with a battery life of 7 hours per charge (as opposed the Sony's 1 hour). It has an FM tuner (nothing to write home about, but it does work). It plays MP3 files and CD-R/RW discs. It understands playlists and directory structure of MP3 discs. F/W is upgradeable. It's supposed to be one of the better players on the market. Cost: $160 (just over half of what the Sony cost, in 1989 dollars). That said, I feel like I have lost a good friend. The Sony has been with me for over 10 years, in over a dozen countries all over the globe, from Taiwan to the Bahamas. I would really like to get it going again. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Best Sony parts I know of in the USA is Fulton Radio Supply, in Michigan. > Don't know the number, but I know I've gotten it by calling toll-free > information, 800-555-1212. > But I think the odds are slim to none of finding it, since a)it's old, and > b)it's not a part likely to have been needed(hence, stocked) much when it > was a recent model. I do see D-25's come up on ebay dirt cheap > periodically, so a broken one would be the easiest source for the part. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:04 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > > > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > > friend. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 02:56:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BE2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C214544.D63F1FB7@concentric.net> Thanks much, Tom. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > I tried Sony Australia and some spare parts dealers and you guess it - nothing. You are right about Sony John, after 10 or so years the parts are just not available - silly really. > > Sorry Ron, hope you are successful elsewhere. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 10:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > Thanx. Much appreciated. > > -- Ron > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > I'll try Sony Australia and see if they have any luck. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 5:05 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > > friend. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 20 02:58:52 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:58:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BE2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005801c188f9$dff368b0$8a756acf@johnrotten> Stephen's idea to buy a cheap used one on ebay might solve his problem and provide other spare parts! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > Hi Ron, > > I tried Sony Australia and some spare parts dealers and you guess it - nothing. You are right about Sony John, after 10 or so years the parts are just not available - silly really. > > Sorry Ron, hope you are successful elsewhere. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 10:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > > > Thanx. Much appreciated. > > -- Ron > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > I'll try Sony Australia and see if they have any luck. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [mailto:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 5:05 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > > friend. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 20 03:01:18 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:01:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> <01d501c188f4$0d9bda00$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C2143FE.7EB65F3B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006001c188fa$373c6130$8a756acf@johnrotten> I feel the same way about my playing card size ICF-SW1 SW Radio! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > Yep. I did see two D-25s on ebay. One, amazingly enough, > new in box (but probably, with a dead battery, which is > another $31 from Sony) is $46 now, with 3 days to go. > The second, *as* new in box, at $41, also with 3 days > to go. I am surprised, since a modern, brand new, > at-least-as-good player doesn't cost that much more. > > In the meantime, I can't go to the gym without a player, > so I got a new RioVolt SP-250, with a battery life of 7 > hours per charge (as opposed the Sony's 1 hour). It has > an FM tuner (nothing to write home about, but it does > work). It plays MP3 files and CD-R/RW discs. It > understands playlists and directory structure of MP3 > discs. F/W is upgradeable. It's supposed to be one of > the better players on the market. Cost: $160 (just over > half of what the Sony cost, in 1989 dollars). > > That said, I feel like I have lost a good friend. The > Sony has been with me for over 10 years, in over a dozen > countries all over the globe, from Taiwan to the Bahamas. > I would really like to get it going again. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Best Sony parts I know of in the USA is Fulton Radio Supply, in Michigan. > > Don't know the number, but I know I've gotten it by calling toll-free > > information, 800-555-1212. > > But I think the odds are slim to none of finding it, since a)it's old, and > > b)it's not a part likely to have been needed(hence, stocked) much when it > > was a recent model. I do see D-25's come up on ebay dirt cheap > > periodically, so a broken one would be the easiest source for the part. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:04 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts > > > > > > > > I have owned a portable Sony CD player, MODEL D-25, > > > for many years now. It has now lost the LCD display. > > > It still plays fine, but without the display it's > > > unusable -- it's difficult to find tracks on the CD, > > > when the battery needs recharging, etc. > > > > > > I contacted Sony (in the US). It seems they no longer > > > carry this part, or maybe they do, but can't find it... > > > > > > I'd hate to throw this played. I wonder if some other > > > Sony parts facility may still carry this part. I'll > > > be grateful for any pointer or advice from any NakTalk > > > friend. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Dec 20 03:37:23 2001 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:37:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> <01d501c188f4$0d9bda00$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C2143FE.7EB65F3B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001601c188ff$4151c340$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I remember the first Sony Portable Discman I used back in 1985. It had a battery reserve that lasted barely one CD. They've come a long way in battery technology and efficiency in their use of power. On a different note: Is it better to keep spare Lithium, NiCad etc. rechargeable batteries partially charged when stored? Or is it better to store them empty or full? I am specifically thinking about my 3 spare batteries I have for my laptop which are Lithium, if that makes a difference Anyone know? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Dec 20 14:24:53 2001 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:24:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonic purity??? Message-ID: Mike, Thanks for posting the information about the tape. Dave said I got the last one (is he a salesman for the packaged Rice Crispy Treats?), and it sounds great. If you come across anything else like this, please post it to naktalk. Have a wonderful Holiday! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> FabFourFan at nme.com 12/12/01 12:17PM >>> Everyone, The following item was posted a couple of days ago in the newsgroups. I am reposting it here (with Mr Jensen's approval) because it would seem to be of special interest to [naktalk] subscribers. Please CHECK DIRECTLY WITH HIM davej at sedona.net if interested. I do not have these tapes to sell - I'm simply passing on the information. Also, I think Mr Jensen will consider selling them rather than trading for them but, again, please CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY if interested! Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick ========================================================================================= On 8 Dec 2001 17:35:21 GMT, in rec.audio.high-end, davej at sedona.net (Dave Jensen) wrote: ========================================================================================= >I used to work for Telarc Records as their VP Sales. > >At one time, we had the idea of putting out a very high-end >audio tape in collaboration with Nakamichi. >As a test, the Telarc master digital tape for "Symphonie Fantastique" >was sent to Nakamichi to be duped in realtime on their top machine >(I believe it was the "Nakamichi 1000" at that time). > >We did some in Dolby B and some in Dolby C. > >The sound was phenomenal but we weren't able to get them on the market. > >CD's were just coming out, and the cost of realtime transfers using >actual digital masters was just too high. > >They would have cost more than CD's at retail! > >I have four of the Dolby C cassettes and five of the Dolby B cassettes here, >stored since appx. 1980 in my home (undisturbed until a recent "spring" cleaning). > >If anyone has any interest in these, perhaps we can work out an interesting trade, etc. > >D. Jensen (Write me at davej at sedona.net) ========================================================================================= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FabFourFan at nme.com Thu Dec 20 14:38:00 2001 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:38:00 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonic purity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c23e8fa.5573916@mail.voicenet.com> Kent, That's great! Always glad to find super-good cassette sound! Happy holidays! Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:24:53 -0500, you wrote: >Mike, > >Thanks for posting the information about the tape. Dave said I got the >last one (is he a salesman for the packaged Rice Crispy Treats?), and >it sounds great. If you come across anything else like this, please >post it to naktalk. > >Have a wonderful Holiday! > >Best regards, > >Kent Merideth >>>> FabFourFan at nme.com 12/12/01 12:17PM >>> >Everyone, > >The following item was posted a couple of days ago in the newsgroups. > >I am reposting it here (with Mr Jensen's approval) because it would seem >to be of special interest to [naktalk] subscribers. > >Please CHECK DIRECTLY WITH HIM davej at sedona.net if interested. I do not >have these tapes to sell - I'm simply passing on the information. > >Also, I think Mr Jensen will consider selling them rather than trading >for them but, again, please CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY if interested! > > >Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 20 14:55:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:55:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonicpurity??? References: Message-ID: <008901c1895e$108d2060$0d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I got one also. Can't wait to try this Metal Dolby C cassette on my ReVox B215. Thank you Patrick. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Telarc/Nakamichi Cassette tapes with sonicpurity??? Mike, Thanks for posting the information about the tape. Dave said I got the last one (is he a salesman for the packaged Rice Crispy Treats?), and it sounds great. If you come across anything else like this, please post it to naktalk. Have a wonderful Holiday! Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> FabFourFan at nme.com 12/12/01 12:17PM >>> Everyone, The following item was posted a couple of days ago in the newsgroups. I am reposting it here (with Mr Jensen's approval) because it would seem to be of special interest to [naktalk] subscribers. Please CHECK DIRECTLY WITH HIM davej at sedona.net if interested. I do not have these tapes to sell - I'm simply passing on the information. Also, I think Mr Jensen will consider selling them rather than trading for them but, again, please CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY if interested! Mike 'FabFourFan' Patrick ========================================================================================= On 8 Dec 2001 17:35:21 GMT, in rec.audio.high-end, davej at sedona.net (Dave Jensen) wrote: ========================================================================================= >I used to work for Telarc Records as their VP Sales. > >At one time, we had the idea of putting out a very high-end >audio tape in collaboration with Nakamichi. >As a test, the Telarc master digital tape for "Symphonie Fantastique" >was sent to Nakamichi to be duped in realtime on their top machine >(I believe it was the "Nakamichi 1000" at that time). > >We did some in Dolby B and some in Dolby C. > >The sound was phenomenal but we weren't able to get them on the market. > >CD's were just coming out, and the cost of realtime transfers using >actual digital masters was just too high. > >They would have cost more than CD's at retail! > >I have four of the Dolby C cassettes and five of the Dolby B cassettes here, >stored since appx. 1980 in my home (undisturbed until a recent "spring" cleaning). > >If anyone has any interest in these, perhaps we can work out an interesting trade, etc. > >D. 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URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 17:14:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony CD player parts References: <00a201c18809$8fbb8940$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C20D6BC.13FFF87@concentric.net> <01d501c188f4$0d9bda00$0f3442cf@sank1> <3C2143FE.7EB65F3B@concentric.net> <001601c188ff$4151c340$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <3C220E79.65554AE8@concentric.net> Roland Alford 2 wrote: > > I remember the first Sony Portable Discman I used back in 1985. It had a > battery reserve that lasted barely one CD. They've come a long way in > battery technology and efficiency in their use of power. > > On a different note: Is it better to keep spare Lithium, NiCad etc. > rechargeable batteries partially charged when stored? Or is it better to > store them empty or full? I am specifically thinking about my 3 spare > batteries I have for my laptop which are Lithium, if that makes a difference > > Anyone know? > > Thanx, > Roland > NiCd batteries should be stored in the fully charged state. Since it is normal for NiCds to lose charge with time, they should be discharged, then fully charged again about every 3 months. The story with Lithium Ion batteries is a bit more complex than this. Their charge retention is much better and they do not have much of a memory. To make a long story short, in general, they should be stored in the charged state and recycled maybe twice a year, but look at the manufacturer's recommendation, since this depends on the internal design of the battery. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Dec 20 20:03:41 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:03:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> <3C20D223.218C8CD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002d01c18989$1e48d8e0$53289bca@smarzuki> Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can hear one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say that > > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for > emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! > > Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack > portion of the wave form and for transients. It's > present when listening to an actual contrabass or > bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is > because the sub is preceded by a xover that > separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks > and transients constitute higher frequency > information and are directed to (and reproduced by) > the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are > directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone > speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these > low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', > look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* > the sub. > > Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone > speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. > However, dealing better with transients is not one of > their advantages. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 20:25:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:25:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> <3C20D223.218C8CD@concentric.net> <002d01c18989$1e48d8e0$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C223B40.8001C2F1@concentric.net> Salim, 'fast' or 'slow' w.r.t. subs are not exactly defined. People use the terms in somewhat different meanings. I use the terms to denote the speed with which the sub responds to the signal. You are saying, 'can't hear / follow the actual bass notes'. If by that you mean that all bass notes make the same 'boom' sound (what some people call 'one-note bass'), this would be related to a high Q resonance in the bass driver and/or enclosure. It's a common failing of low cost subs and is not associated with the 'speed' of the sub. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can hear > one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, > compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded > real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for > when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > > > > > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > > > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > > > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say > that > > > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for > > emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! > > > > Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack > > portion of the wave form and for transients. It's > > present when listening to an actual contrabass or > > bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is > > because the sub is preceded by a xover that > > separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks > > and transients constitute higher frequency > > information and are directed to (and reproduced by) > > the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are > > directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone > > speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these > > low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', > > look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* > > the sub. > > > > Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone > > speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. > > However, dealing better with transients is not one of > > their advantages. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 20 21:13:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:13:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Woof In-Reply-To: <3C223B40.8001C2F1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) I suggest that the design of some cabinets may have different effects depending on how they resonate with particular frequencies, as a glass may break at one frequency and another may break at a different one, one may cause vibrations to occur in a speaker cabinet that may muddy the sound and cause the "booming" effect. My speakers did seem a little "boomy" but they don't any more. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 20 December 2001 07:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof Salim, 'fast' or 'slow' w.r.t. subs are not exactly defined. People use the terms in somewhat different meanings. I use the terms to denote the speed with which the sub responds to the signal. You are saying, 'can't hear / follow the actual bass notes'. If by that you mean that all bass notes make the same 'boom' sound (what some people call 'one-note bass'), this would be related to a high Q resonance in the bass driver and/or enclosure. It's a common failing of low cost subs and is not associated with the 'speed' of the sub. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can hear > one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, > compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded > real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for > when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > > > > > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > > > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > > > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say > that > > > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for > > emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! > > > > Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack > > portion of the wave form and for transients. It's > > present when listening to an actual contrabass or > > bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is > > because the sub is preceded by a xover that > > separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks > > and transients constitute higher frequency > > information and are directed to (and reproduced by) > > the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are > > directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone > > speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these > > low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', > > look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* > > the sub. > > > > Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone > > speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. > > However, dealing better with transients is not one of > > their advantages. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 21:46:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:46:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C224E3D.A3435AB@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on > the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were > "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing > it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line > and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance > in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the > mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing > Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 > speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) A friend of mine achieved this by covering the inside of the enclosure with ceramic tiles (after which it could not be moved), following with application of generous amounts of absorptive material. The result was a substantial improvement in bass definition. -- Ron > I suggest that the design of some cabinets may have different effects > depending on how they resonate with particular frequencies, as a glass may > break at one frequency and another may break at a different one, one may > cause vibrations to occur in a speaker cabinet that may muddy the sound and > cause the "booming" effect. My speakers did seem a little "boomy" but they > don't any more. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 20 December 2001 07:26 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > Salim, 'fast' or 'slow' w.r.t. subs are not exactly > defined. People use the terms in somewhat different > meanings. I use the terms to denote the speed with > which the sub responds to the signal. You are saying, > 'can't hear / follow the actual bass notes'. If by > that you mean that all bass notes make the same 'boom' > sound (what some people call 'one-note bass'), this > would be related to a high Q resonance in the bass > driver and/or enclosure. It's a common failing of low > cost subs and is not associated with the 'speed' of > the sub. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can > hear > > one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, > > compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded > > real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for > > when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to > big > > > > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > > > > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I > say > > that > > > > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for > > > emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! > > > > > > Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack > > > portion of the wave form and for transients. It's > > > present when listening to an actual contrabass or > > > bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is > > > because the sub is preceded by a xover that > > > separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks > > > and transients constitute higher frequency > > > information and are directed to (and reproduced by) > > > the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are > > > directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone > > > speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these > > > low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', > > > look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* > > > the sub. > > > > > > Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone > > > speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. > > > However, dealing better with transients is not one of > > > their advantages. > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 20 22:09:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:09:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Way OT: more on Windows XP References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C224E3D.A3435AB@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C22537A.E6A08965@concentric.net> REDMOND, Wash. (CBS.MW) -- Microsoft's new Windows XP operating system has some serious flaws that could let hackers take total control of a victim's computers over the Internet, the company said on Thursday. Microsoft (MSFT: news) issued a patch [...] that it says will fix the problem. Microsoft e-mailed the patch to 250,000 subscribers. Users can access the patch from Microsoft's Web site. Shares of Microsoft were down $2.57, or nearly 4 percent, at $66.92 in Thursday trading. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Dec 20 23:51:47 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:51:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Woof In-Reply-To: <200112201933.UAA11899@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can hear > one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, > compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded > real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for > when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM Hi Salim, Like you perhaps remember, I have those 3A Arioso Monitor speakers, which I like very much for their reproduction in the lower region . In the documentation they have included the graphs for the frequency response and the impedance curve, snapshots from a 40 hz sine wave and a transient response graph, and a table of the distortion at 30, 40, 63, 80 125 and 250 Hz . I suppose that comparing those data for different speakers will give you an idea of which one will sound best . Personally, I think that the transient response is the most important factor . If that is good, I think most of the other characteristics will be OK too . However, I guess that each manufacturer decides which figures he will publish ... suppose that a given loudspeaker performs really bad at 72 Hz, but is good at both 60 Hz and 80 Hz (if this is possible), then you probably won't see any figures or graph of those 72 Hz . This will make it very difficult to compare two brands on paper . I don't know if Stephen ever tried to gather data to compare his different speakers with each other, but I suppose he might be able to tell us a lot more about this . Eddy BTW, did you ever get some response about those 3A's you had ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Fri Dec 21 00:29:54 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:29:54 +0100 Subject: Subject: [naktalk] Way OT: more on Windows XP In-Reply-To: <200112202324.AAA13071@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > REDMOND, Wash. (CBS.MW) -- Microsoft's new Windows XP > operating system has some serious flaws that could let > hackers take total control of a victim's computers over > the Internet, the company said on Thursday. What !!! A security flaw in a MS product ! Not possable ! And open door for hackers ? I guess that the patch just inserts a test on the origin of the attack ... if it comes from MS itself, it probably will let them through . Funny, but I think there were similar flaws with W95, W98, W2000, NT4, Outlook, Explorer ... could this be a coincidence ? Thanks for the info though . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Fri Dec 21 01:22:35 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:22:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 Message-ID: <3C8B6A99@mail.totalise.co.uk> Does anybody know whether the NAK DAT 1000 will sample at 32k or 48k and does the DAT drive have a balanced AES/EBU output? Thanks Fred. Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 21 02:24:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:24:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 References: <3C8B6A99@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <027101c189be$30d5e400$0f3442cf@sank1> I don't believe the 1000DAT will do 32kHz(nor will the 1000p ad/da), but it definitely does 44.1 & 48kHz. The standard model does not have AES/EBU, but the pro version might, I'm not quite sure. The set you're bidding on is clearly not the pro version, so will not have AES/EBU. On the other hand, the general consensus among pro recordists(at least the ones I know) & audiophiles is that coax can sound just as good or better, assuming it's not a really long cable run. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 > Does anybody know whether the NAK DAT 1000 will sample at 32k or 48k and does > the DAT drive have a balanced AES/EBU output? > Thanks > Fred. > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Fri Dec 21 02:50:48 2001 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:50:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 Message-ID: <3C8C8A33@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Thankyou Stephen, you appear to be the NAK encyclopoeadia! What do ypu think it is worth? Fred ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >I don't believe the 1000DAT will do 32kHz(nor will the 1000p ad/da), but it >definitely does 44.1 & 48kHz. The standard model does not have AES/EBU, but >the pro version might, I'm not quite sure. The set you're bidding on is >clearly not the pro version, so will not have AES/EBU. On the other hand, >the general consensus among pro recordists(at least the ones I know) & >audiophiles is that coax can sound just as good or better, assuming it's not >a really long cable run. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:22 PM >Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 > > >> Does anybody know whether the NAK DAT 1000 will sample at 32k or 48k and >does >> the DAT drive have a balanced AES/EBU output? >> Thanks >> Fred. >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 21 02:56:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:56:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 References: <3C8C8A33@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <02a101c189c2$b46408c0$0f3442cf@sank1> Well, it's just my personal opinion, but I think the setup is worth a healthy percentage of it's $12,000 retail. Gorgeous units. I just mod'd a 1000p ad/da for a client in Hong Kong, and he's thrilled with the sound of it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 > >Thankyou Stephen, you appear to be the NAK encyclopoeadia! What do ypu think > it is worth? > > Fred > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >I don't believe the 1000DAT will do 32kHz(nor will the 1000p ad/da), but it > >definitely does 44.1 & 48kHz. The standard model does not have AES/EBU, but > >the pro version might, I'm not quite sure. The set you're bidding on is > >clearly not the pro version, so will not have AES/EBU. On the other hand, > >the general consensus among pro recordists(at least the ones I know) & > >audiophiles is that coax can sound just as good or better, assuming it's not > >a really long cable run. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FRED MOSS" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:22 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] RE nak Dat 1000 > > > > > >> Does anybody know whether the NAK DAT 1000 will sample at 32k or 48k and > >does > >> the DAT drive have a balanced AES/EBU output? > >> Thanks > >> Fred. > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Dec 21 06:27:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:27:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Woof References: <003f01c18808$814e6900$9a8f87d9@a4s1s2> <3C20D223.218C8CD@concentric.net> <002d01c18989$1e48d8e0$53289bca@smarzuki> <3C223B40.8001C2F1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000e01c189e0$2f7ec000$7c289bca@smarzuki> Ron and Graham, thanks for the info. That JL sub is actually a good model (12W5), however, the RCF has better 'definition' (I think this is the right term ?) to follow bass notes. Well, maybe I should pay more attention to the cabinet's resonation. By the way, the RCF looks real ugly, with thick heavy paper cone and barely can be moved / pushed by hand compared to much lighter JL cone ... but hearing is believing, this heavy beast produces notes that were more like a blur on JL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > Salim, 'fast' or 'slow' w.r.t. subs are not exactly > defined. People use the terms in somewhat different > meanings. I use the terms to denote the speed with > which the sub responds to the signal. You are saying, > 'can't hear / follow the actual bass notes'. If by > that you mean that all bass notes make the same 'boom' > sound (what some people call 'one-note bass'), this > would be related to a high Q resonance in the bass > driver and/or enclosure. It's a common failing of low > cost subs and is not associated with the 'speed' of > the sub. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Ron, on a slightly different topic, how come with similar x-over I can hear > > one sub (JL) sounded slow, i.e. can't hear / follow the actual bass notes, > > compared to similar sized 12" RCF sub which did not go as low but sounded > > real fast or 'play tunes' ? Which speaker parameter should we watch for > > when trying to find a 'faster' driver ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woof > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, as someone who spent a number of years sitting rather close to big > > > > orchestral bass drums (I was a horn player) and not far from the bass > > > > fiddles, I feel rather confident that I know whereof I speak when I say > > that > > > > a woofer needs speed & agility to accurately reproduce these things. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Stephen, subwoofers do not need speed. Again, for > > > emphasis: SUBS DO NOT NEED SPEED! > > > > > > Let me explain: 'speed' is required for the attack > > > portion of the wave form and for transients. It's > > > present when listening to an actual contrabass or > > > bass drum. It is not needed from a sub. This is > > > because the sub is preceded by a xover that > > > separates the sound into frequency bands. Attacks > > > and transients constitute higher frequency > > > information and are directed to (and reproduced by) > > > the main speakers. Only steady state low notes are > > > directed to the sub; it so happens that large cone > > > speakers are eminently suitable to reproduce these > > > low frequencies. If the bass in a system sounds 'slow', > > > look for the problem in the xover and squaker, *not* > > > the sub. > > > > > > Now, that is not to say that multiple smaller cone > > > speakers are not suitable for very low frequency work. > > > However, dealing better with transients is not one of > > > their advantages. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Dec 21 06:33:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:33:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Woof References: Message-ID: <000f01c189e0$fbf98d40$7c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Eddy, I do remember your good sized 3A ... this Andante is a much smaller bookshelf which has little low notes to speak of. I agree it would be difficult to compare products esp speakers by looking at specs, although in general good ones have good specs as well. Too bad I haven't heard from Reference 3A about their product archive ! Anybody on this list use Revel speakers ? Their specs show real good on stereophile's review, flat response curve was really impressive. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Woof > > Hi Salim, > > Like you perhaps remember, I have those 3A Arioso Monitor speakers, which I > like very much for their reproduction in the lower region . In the > documentation they have included the graphs for the frequency response and > the impedance curve, snapshots from a 40 hz sine wave and a transient > response graph, and a table of the distortion at 30, 40, 63, 80 125 and 250 > Hz . I suppose that comparing those data for different speakers will give > you an idea of which one will sound best . > Personally, I think that the transient response is the most important factor > . If that is good, I think most of the other characteristics will be OK too > . However, I guess that each manufacturer decides which figures he will > publish ... suppose that a given loudspeaker performs really bad at 72 Hz, > but is good at both 60 Hz and 80 Hz (if this is possible), then you probably > won't see any figures or graph of those 72 Hz . This will make it very > difficult to compare two brands on paper . I don't know if Stephen ever > tried to gather data to compare his different speakers with each other, but > I suppose he might be able to tell us a lot more about this . > > Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Dec 21 06:32:32 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:32:32 -0500 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> Where can I get Sorbothane? I know that AudioQuest sell little packages of the stuff for something like $60 for 6" x 6", but I need a good bit and could not possibly afford it at that cost. Graham? Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on > the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were > "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing > it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line > and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance > in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the > mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing > Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 > speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Dec 21 06:54:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:54:47 -0700 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> Message-ID: <02f001c189e4$0085c4c0$0f3442cf@sank1> Michael Percy sells sorbothane sheets quite a bit cheaper. Go to http://www.bainbridge.net/percyaudio & download his catalog. Personally, I prefer a material called "microsorb", which he also sells. It has more broadband absorption & it's sticky as hell, so it's great for lining things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? > Where can I get Sorbothane? I know that AudioQuest sell little packages of the stuff > for something like $60 for 6" x 6", but I need a good bit and could not possibly > afford it at that cost. Graham? > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on > > the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were > > "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing > > it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line > > and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance > > in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the > > mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing > > Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 > > speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Dec 21 09:11:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:11:15 -0500 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C22EEA3.FF5E449F@concentric.net> Try Sorbothane, Inc. Last I heard, their phone number was (800) 838-3906; or, if you prefer to pay: (330) 678-9444. Their web site was www.sorbothane.com They sent me a couple of small samples for free and were quite helpful with technical advice. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > Where can I get Sorbothane? I know that AudioQuest sell little packages of the stuff > for something like $60 for 6" x 6", but I need a good bit and could not possibly > afford it at that cost. Graham? > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on > > the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were > > "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing > > it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line > > and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance > > in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the > > mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing > > Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 > > speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 21 12:20:34 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:20:34 -0500 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> Message-ID: <006701c18a11$826f64a0$49ed3fd0@oemcomputer> try edmund scientifics http://www.scientificsonline.com/ a 12x12x1/8 inch sheet is 19.95 or 18.95 for 3 http://www.scientificsonline.com/Products/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1790 dont forget to checkout www.sorbothane.com for specs and a video on protecting an egg. riveting really. :-) hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:32 AM Subject: Re: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? > Where can I get Sorbothane? I know that AudioQuest sell little packages of the stuff > for something like $60 for 6" x 6", but I need a good bit and could not possibly > afford it at that cost. Graham? > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > One also needs to consider, I think, the effect of the speaker cabinet on > > the sound produced by the woofer. I found the sound of my woofers were > > "tightened" and "fast"- that is to say, they were more pronounced, allowing > > it to be easier to follow the difference between, say, a bass guitar line > > and a kick-drum line, when they were identical, when I reduced the resonance > > in the cabinet and especially the "contamination" of resonance between the > > mid-range driver (and tweeter) into the woofer. (I did that by placing > > Sorbothane on the least rigid parts of the cabinet and by surrounding the 3 > > speakers in each cabinet on the surface plain with the stuff.) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 21 21:27:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:27:07 -0000 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? In-Reply-To: <02f001c189e4$0085c4c0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c18a5d$dbf76620$119987d9@a4s1s2> Also try: http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/product.html where you will find the c. 6" x 6" x sheets (note they are sticky on BOTH sides) cost only about £12 each - about that inclusive of postage for export orders. They've a few other interesting items in there, too, not least the Moth record cleaning machine that you can buy ready-built or as a kit. I'll be vanishing in a few hours to start a Christmas break ... away from the PC for a few days. (I have presents to deliver and reindeer to feed, and a whole lot of Santa's little helpers to whip into action ... Oh! Given the game away! ) So, in the mean time, here's wishing everyone here a Happy Christmas & to Hell with the Old Year!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 21 December 2001 05:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? Michael Percy sells Sorbothane sheets quite a bit cheaper. Go to http://www.bainbridge.net/percyaudio & download his catalog. Personally, I prefer a material called "microsorb", which he also sells. It has more broadband absorption & it's sticky as hell, so it's great for lining things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 21 21:39:49 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:39:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nic Cad' Battery Storage: In-Reply-To: <3C22EEA3.FF5E449F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001501c18a5f$a23e4280$119987d9@a4s1s2> -- Ron wrote: NiCd batteries should be stored in the fully charged state. Since it is normal for NiCds to lose charge with time, they should be discharged, then fully charged again about every 3 months. -------------------------------------------------------- I thought this alternative view would be of interest, which I just got through the Net: "Gra, I beg to disagree with the advice about storage of NiCad batteries. I was told by a professional user of the JVC camcorder that I had (the full size S-VHS one), that the best thing for long life was to store discharged, and to charge up and then discharge again periodically. I took this advice and noticed how much longer the batteries lasted than those on my other camcorder. Since then, I have learnt that the reason is that fully charged ones begin to change chemically and create a salt that reduces their capacity. The longer they are left, the worse the problem becomes. Since I began following the same procedure with AA NiCads, I have noticed how they seem to last indefinitely. the proof of the pudding is in the eating." Any thoughts anyone? Any "batteryologists" out there who could offer a professional view as to which advice is best? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 21 21:48:51 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:48:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Message from Mr Blues for all Nakophiles who know him ... In-Reply-To: <02f001c189e4$0085c4c0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001701c18a60$e56ffde0$119987d9@a4s1s2> Happy Holidays, Graham! How's it going, and have you mustered the resolve to have purchased a Nak cassette deck during 2001? Well, I did it again, bought a ZX-9, still have the RX-505 and RX-202. Having some really fun times with my classic Marantz gear also, esp a fantastic quadraphonic receiver & amp system that blows me back on my seat like the old Maxell XLIIS adverts portrayed (those were the days). Regards, and send my greetings to the NakTalkers. Best wishes and happy holidays!!! K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Dec 22 03:53:31 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:53:31 -0500 Subject: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? References: <001001c18a5d$dbf76620$119987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C23F5A1.2E5B1DAB@snet.net> A big thanks to all who responded... because of my friends in this forum I should have no problem finding what I need. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Also try: > > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/product.html > > where you will find the c. 6" x 6" x sheets (note they are sticky on > BOTH sides) cost only about £12 each - about that inclusive of postage > for export orders. > > They've a few other interesting items in there, too, not least the > Moth record cleaning machine that you can buy ready-built or as a kit. > > I'll be vanishing in a few hours to start a Christmas break ... away > from the PC for a few days. (I have presents to deliver and reindeer > to feed, and a whole lot of Santa's little helpers to whip into action > ... Oh! Given the game away! ) So, in the mean time, here's wishing > everyone here a > > > Happy Christmas > > & > > to Hell with the Old Year!!! > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 21 December 2001 05:55 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: OT [naktalk] Where do I get Sorbothane? > > > Michael Percy sells Sorbothane sheets quite a bit cheaper. Go to > http://www.bainbridge.net/percyaudio & download his catalog. > Personally, I > prefer a material called "microsorb", which he also sells. It has > more > broadband absorption & it's sticky as hell, so it's great for lining > things. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Dec 22 05:11:54 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:11:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Owner of a Dragon and ZX-7 Message-ID: <001f01c18a9e$caf05b20$b2c79d40@compaq> I would like to let the group know that I purchased a mint Dragon and a near mint ZX-7 last month. I've been playing around with these machines and sure will have a few questions to ask the Nakers in the future. I also purchased an LX-3 from Stephan Sank last August while passing thru New Mexico. It was great to meet with him and I'll be having work done by him in the near future. Needless to say, I also purchased a mint BX-2 this year also. Hey, this one is for sale! Anyway, all together I purchased 4 Nakamichi cassette decks in 2001 and I would like to thank this great group of intelligent people for their great character and work ethic. Keep up the good work. To all the Nakers - Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 22 16:41:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:41:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nic Cad' Battery Storage: References: <001501c18a5f$a23e4280$119987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C24A9B4.F8F127E4@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > -- Ron wrote: > > NiCd batteries should be stored in the fully charged state. > Since it is normal for NiCds to lose charge with time, they > should be discharged, then fully charged again about every > 3 months. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > I thought this alternative view would be of interest, which I just got > through the Net: > > "Gra, > I beg to disagree with the advice about storage of NiCad batteries. I was > told by a professional user of the JVC camcorder that I had (the full size > S-VHS one), that the best thing for long life was to store discharged, and > to charge up and then discharge again periodically. I took this advice and > noticed how much longer the batteries lasted than those on my other > camcorder. Since then, I have learnt that the reason is that fully charged > ones begin to change chemically and create a salt that reduces their > capacity. The longer they are left, the worse the problem becomes. > > Since I began following the same procedure with AA NiCads, I have noticed > how they seem to last indefinitely. the proof of the pudding is in the > eating." > > Any thoughts anyone? Any "batteryologists" out there who could offer a > professional view as to which advice is best? > > Graham > I have to preface this with a disclaimer: I am not a battery engineer. To me, a battery is a component (that I have used many times, in many product designs) and, as with other components, I rely on the battery manufacturer to provide data. With that in mind, I just pulled GE's 'Nickel-Cadmium Battery Application Engineering Handbook' and found the following: "The Nickel-Cadmium cell can be stored either in the charged or discharged state. There is no discernible difference in performance in either state of charge, particularly if the battery is reconditioned before putting into use." I believe Raytheon had similar things to say. OTOH, many device manufacturers recommend storing NiCd batteries in a charged state (and refreshing often enough to keep it in readiness for use), for the simple reason that when one needs a battery, pulling a dead one out of the drawer kinda defeats the purpose of owning that battery in the first place. Personally, I always store all my batteries fully charged. There are many battery designs, all using the same NiCd chemistry, that may differ in storage characteristics. It's always best to consult the manufacturer of the specific battery under discussion (though your friend may be a better battery engineer than the GE people). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 08:19:26 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:19:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Testmas References: Message-ID: <3C25857E.FD58D7AA@yahoo.com> Testing Testing Merry Xmas Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 24 09:17:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:17:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak tx turntable In-Reply-To: <007401c185f8$b5a72be0$083442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Saw something I've only heard of before for sale on ebay..a nakamichi tx1000 comuting turntable. Can anyone tell me more about the thing..maybe where to find some detailed information on the thing. And, what ungodly sum did it sell for new, when did it sell, for how long, and is it any good? Here is the url: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761&r=0&t=0&sh owTutorial=0&ed=1009917590&indexURL=0&rd=1 Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the > connectors are like. > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > Neutrik. As > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, > > and that > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > anytime > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some > > tighter > > fitting ones. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > pins. > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > writes: > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks > > & > > > > plugs. On > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but > > on > > > > the > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split > > > > center pin > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are > > a > > > > bit over > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split > > center > > > > pin > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > problem > > > > should be > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > Stephen > > > > - > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was > > with > > > > the > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and > > > > right > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both > > > > channels. > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems > > to > > > > occur > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make > > > > both > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two > > RCA > > > > jacks at > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch > > it > > > > again, > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back > > in. > > > > Yes, > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it > > all > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new > > RCA > > > > jacks > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > looser > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > jacks. > > > > The right > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks > > very > > > > easily, > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the > > right > > > > jack > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? > > > > Should I get > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or > > > > jack > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp > > for > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault > > in > > > > the > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R > > ch > > > > to > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if > > the > > > > fault > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have > > a > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer > > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to > > the > > > > right > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > everything > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > interconnects > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, > > the > > > > Adcom > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > occasionally > > > > go > > > > > > down > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > preamp > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection > > in > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of > > > > output > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > strange > > > > because > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, > > Radio > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > means > > > > it's > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 24 11:58:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:28:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] nak tx turntable Message-ID: <001501c18c69$eee00cc0$42d60192@vsnl> Details of this turntable is available at Khono ' site ( unofficial Nak site at Japan - you can access it thru links page at Wouter' site Naks .com) http://www.sakamura-lab.org/~kohno/nak-source.html check out details here Kannan PS My wishes to all the members - A happy X'mas as well as Great new Year ! -----Original Message----- From: Tiberius Gaius To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, December 24, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nak tx turntable >Saw something I've only heard of before for sale on ebay..a nakamichi tx1000 >comuting turntable. Can anyone tell me more about the thing..maybe where to >find some detailed information on the thing. And, what ungodly sum did it >sell for new, when did it sell, for how long, and is it any good? > >Here is the url: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761&r=0&t=0&s h >owTutorial=0&ed=1009917590&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > >Regards, > >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Stephen Sank >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:13 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > >As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation at any >price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I make >myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my speakers & >the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around $100 & >$180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have beaten >in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split pin, >locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > >> Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying new >> interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit back. I >> should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. >> >> What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin connectors? >> >> >> In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used to be >> highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get some of >> these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what the >> connectors are like. >> >> How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the connectors? >> >> - Joe >> >> >> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" >> writes: >> > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, >> > Neutrik. As >> > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system cables, >> > and that >> > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading >> > anytime >> > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with some >> > tighter >> > fitting ones. >> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > http://stephensank.com >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! >> > >> > >> > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid >> > pins. >> > > >> > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on RCA >> > jacks. >> > > >> > > >> > > - Joe >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" >> > >> > > writes: >> > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both jacks >> > & >> > > > plugs. On >> > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, but >> > on >> > > > the >> > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a split >> > > > center pin >> > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks are >> > a >> > > > bit over >> > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with split >> > center >> > > > pin >> > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the >> > problem >> > > > should be >> > > > solved. >> > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer >> > Co. >> > > > http://stephensank.com >> > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: >> > > > To: >> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM >> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by >> > Stephen >> > > > - >> > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem was >> > with >> > > > the >> > > > > Adcom. >> > > > > >> > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left and >> > > > right >> > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in both >> > > > channels. >> > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now seems >> > to >> > > > occur >> > > > > in BOTH channels! >> > > > > >> > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to make >> > > > both >> > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the two >> > RCA >> > > > jacks at >> > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I touch >> > it >> > > > again, >> > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come back >> > in. >> > > > Yes, >> > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but it >> > all >> > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. >> > > > > >> > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the new >> > RCA >> > > > jacks >> > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. >> > > > > >> > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a >> > looser >> > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the >> > jacks. >> > > > The right >> > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the jacks >> > very >> > > > easily, >> > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does the >> > right >> > > > jack >> > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some reason? >> > > > Should I get >> > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my >> > > > interconects? >> > > > > >> > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? >> > > > > >> > > > > - Joe >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" >> > > > >> > > > > writes: >> > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks or >> > > > jack >> > > > > > wiring in >> > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the preamp >> > for >> > > > > > several hours >> > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a fault >> > in >> > > > the >> > > > > > Krell. >> > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the Adcom R >> > ch >> > > > to >> > > > > > the L ch >> > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see if >> > the >> > > > fault >> > > > > > goes to >> > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does have >> > a >> > > > > > problem. If >> > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog >> > Transducer >> > > > Co. >> > > > > > http://stephensank.com >> > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > > > From: >> > > > > > To: >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM >> > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related to >> > the >> > > > right >> > > > > > channel. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and >> > > > everything >> > > > > > seems to >> > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the >> > interconnects >> > > > > > running from >> > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of course, >> > the >> > > > Adcom >> > > > > > 535. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will >> > occasionally >> > > > go >> > > > > > down >> > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the >> > preamp >> > > > > > connection, I >> > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I have >> > the >> > > > > > same >> > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the connection >> > in >> > > > the >> > > > > > right >> > > > > > > channel. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs of >> > > > output >> > > > > > jacks. >> > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more >> > strange >> > > > because >> > > > > > I've >> > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: Monster, >> > Radio >> > > > > > Shack, >> > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this >> > means >> > > > it's >> > > > > > not the >> > > > > > > interconnects at fault. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is something up here? What am I missing? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Joe >> > > > > > > >> > > > ________________________________________________________________ >> > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >> > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Dec 24 18:38:31 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:38:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak tx turntable Message-ID: <20011224.124002.-411773.0.josephj69@juno.com> The original price is shown at the bottom of the photo: 11,000,000 JPY That's about $9,000 today. Proabably $7,000 at the conversion rate in the early 80s when it was made. - Joe On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:17:10 -0800 "Tiberius Gaius" writes: > Saw something I've only heard of before for sale on ebay..a nakamichi > tx1000 > comuting turntable. Can anyone tell me more about the thing..maybe > where to > find some detailed information on the thing. And, what ungodly sum > did it > sell for new, when did it sell, for how long, and is it any good? > > Here is the url: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761&r=0&t=0 &sh > owTutorial=0&ed=1009917590&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > > Regards, > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > As I've said a few times before on this list, my top recommendation > at any > price are the LAT cables. Except for the digital cable, which I > make > myself, my whole system uses LAT cables, as do the inside of my > speakers & > the Moscode amps I rebuild. The top two interconnects are around > $100 & > $180 per meter pair each, which is cheap compared to what they have > beaten > in my own & friends/clients' trials. And the connectors are split > pin, > locking ground, excellent clones of the WBT. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the offer. But I think just buying > new > > interconnects will be a lot easier than shipping this 60lb. unit > back. I > > should probably move up from these Mosnter Cables anyway. > > > > What do you suggest for a bargain interconnect with split pin > connectors? > > > > > > In fact, have you ever tried this Hitachi LC-OFC cable? It used > to be > > highly regarded by Japanese audiophiles in the 80s. I can get > some of > > these interconnects for a really good price, but I'm not sure what > the > > connectors are like. > > > > How hard would it be for an idiot like me to replace the > connectors? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:41:23 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > Most high grade RCA plugs have split pins, such as WBT, Cardas, > > > Neutrik. As > > > well as the WBT clone plugs that I use on all of my system > cables, > > > and that > > > LAT uses on theirs. If you weren't planning on cable upgrading > > > anytime > > > soon, I'd be happy to re-replace the jacks on the Krell with > some > > > tighter > > > fitting ones. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > This could well be the problem, but all my cables have solid > > > pins. > > > > > > > > How common are split pins? Don't think I've ever seen them on > RCA > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:46:29 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > There can be some variability in center pin size on both > jacks > > > & > > > > > plugs. On > > > > > the test bench, I had el cheapo interconnects on the input, > but > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > output side, my test cables have Neutrik plugs, having a > split > > > > > center pin > > > > > that gives a bit of spring tension, so perhaps the new jacks > are > > > a > > > > > bit over > > > > > spec size on the outputs. Do you have any cables with > split > > > center > > > > > pin > > > > > plugs? If you do, just spread the pin splits wider & the > > > problem > > > > > should be > > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:22 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the Krell just came back from a complete overhaul by > > > Stephen > > > > > - > > > > > > including new RCA jacks. So I was convined the problem > was > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I reveresed the interconnects to switch the left > and > > > > > right > > > > > > channels. Everything seemed to be fine at that point in > both > > > > > channels. > > > > > > Then I put them back where they belong. The problem now > seems > > > to > > > > > occur > > > > > > in BOTH channels! > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to fiddle with the RCA jacks at the preamp end to > make > > > > > both > > > > > > channels work. But if I so much as touch either of the > two > > > RCA > > > > > jacks at > > > > > > the preamp end, that channel will probably go out. If I > touch > > > it > > > > > again, > > > > > > or wiggle the RCA jack on its post, the channel will come > back > > > in. > > > > > Yes, > > > > > > I can get both of them to work if I set them just so, but > it > > > all > > > > > > likelihood one channel will go out after a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that there is some kind of coating on the > new > > > RCA > > > > > jacks > > > > > > that has to wear off? I'm just guessing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that the right RCA jack on the preamp is a > > > looser > > > > > > connection than the left RCA. That goes for all of the > > > jacks. > > > > > The right > > > > > > jack on all of my interconnect cables slides off the > jacks > > > very > > > > > easily, > > > > > > while the left jack needs a good tug to come off. Does > the > > > right > > > > > jack > > > > > > have a smaller diameter than the left jack for some > reason? > > > > > Should I get > > > > > > a pair of pliers and slightly crimp the right RCA on my > > > > > interconects? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or am I just dealing with really bad interconnects here? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:26 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > Well, I can certainly assure you that it's not the jacks > or > > > > > jack > > > > > > > wiring in > > > > > > > the Krell, since I done did 'em. And I tested the > preamp > > > for > > > > > > > several hours > > > > > > > without trouble. So, I very much doubt that it's a > fault > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Krell. > > > > > > > What you need to do to rule it out is to connect the > Adcom R > > > ch > > > > > to > > > > > > > the L ch > > > > > > > of the Krell, and L ch Adcom to R ch Krell. Then see > if > > > the > > > > > fault > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > the left amp channel. If it does, than the Krell does > have > > > a > > > > > > > problem. If > > > > > > > not, the fault is elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > > Transducer > > > > > Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:17 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: MORE Bad Luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I've discovered a new problem - again related > to > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got the new fuse in the power amp and > > > > > everything > > > > > > > seems to > > > > > > > > be working well, I now find a problem with the > > > interconnects > > > > > > > running from > > > > > > > > my preamp to the power amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The preamp is a Krell KRS-2 and the amp is, of > course, > > > the > > > > > Adcom > > > > > > > 535. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some reason, the volume in right channel will > > > occasionally > > > > > go > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > very low. If I fiddle with the interconnects at the > > > preamp > > > > > > > connection, I > > > > > > > > can right it again. However, after a few minutes, I > have > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > problem again. It seems to be limited to the > connection > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The really odd thing is that this preamp has two pairs > of > > > > > output > > > > > > > jacks. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs with BOTH sets! It's even more > > > strange > > > > > because > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > tried several different interconnects already: > Monster, > > > Radio > > > > > > > Shack, > > > > > > > > other cheapos I've got lying around. So I guess this > > > means > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not the > > > > > > > > interconnects at fault. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is something up here? 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Sice I have my nak deck 1 I have finally a headphone output (Quad doesn't have any). Now I am in the process of buying a good headphone, do any of you have a good recommendation? So far on my list of possible buys. Grado sr325 Sennheiser HD590 Most reviews I've read so far give the grado the edge, anyone have a comment? Thanks Kind regards Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Thu Dec 27 18:37:11 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:37:11 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Headphones Message-ID: <000301c18efd$1e7d9020$fb8c9a40@compaq> According to Stephan Sank, the best headphones made are the Nakamichi SP-7 headphones. I am in the market for a pair. - Big Bear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Meo Marc" To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones > Hi all, > Hope all of you had a good christmas and will have an excellent New Year.... > > Sice I have my nak deck 1 I have finally a headphone output (Quad doesn't > have any). Now I am in the process of buying a good headphone, do any of you > have a good recommendation? > > So far on my list of possible buys. > > Grado sr325 > Sennheiser HD590 > > Most reviews I've read so far give the grado the edge, anyone have a > comment? > > Thanks > Kind regards > Marc ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 27 19:32:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:32:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nic Cad' Battery Storage: In-Reply-To: <3C24A9B4.F8F127E4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000901c18f04$e139fe80$6eaf87d9@a4s1s2> - > > -- Ron wrote: > > NiCd batteries should be stored in the fully charged state. > Since it is normal for NiCds to lose charge with time, they > should be discharged, then fully charged again about every > 3 months. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > I thought this alternative view would be of interest, which I just got > through the Net: > > "Gra, > I beg to disagree with the advice about storage of NiCad batteries. I was > told by a professional user of the JVC camcorder that I had (the full size > S-VHS one), that the best thing for long life was to store discharged, and > to charge up and then discharge again periodically. I took this advice and > noticed how much longer the batteries lasted than those on my other > camcorder. Since then, I have learnt that the reason is that fully charged > ones begin to change chemically and create a salt that reduces their > capacity. The longer they are left, the worse the problem becomes. > > Since I began following the same procedure with AA NiCads, I have noticed > how they seem to last indefinitely. the proof of the pudding is in the > eating." > > Any thoughts anyone? Any "batteryologists" out there who could offer a > professional view as to which advice is best? > > Graham > Ron wrote: I have to preface this with a disclaimer: I am not a battery engineer. To me, a battery is a component (that I have used many times, in many product designs) and, as with other components, I rely on the battery manufacturer to provide data. With that in mind, I just pulled GE's 'Nickel-Cadmium Battery Application Engineering Handbook' and found the following: "The Nickel-Cadmium cell can be stored either in the charged or discharged state. There is no discernible difference in performance in either state of charge, particularly if the battery is reconditioned before putting into use." I believe Raytheon had similar things to say. OTOH, many device manufacturers recommend storing NiCd batteries in a charged state (and refreshing often enough to keep it in readiness for use), for the simple reason that when one needs a battery, pulling a dead one out of the drawer kinda defeats the purpose of owning that battery in the first place. Personally, I always store all my batteries fully charged. There are many battery designs, all using the same NiCd chemistry, that may differ in storage characteristics. It's always best to consult the manufacturer of the specific battery under discussion (though your friend may be a better battery engineer than the GE people). Implicit in this advice is, I suspect, that the NicCad batteries should be stored fully charged but not "topped" up as the charge wanes. The advice I have always received is that they should be run flat before re-charging. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Dec 27 20:12:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:12:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nic Cad' Battery Storage: References: <000901c18f04$e139fe80$6eaf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C2B7293.492B78B3@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > - > > > > > -- Ron wrote: > > > > NiCd batteries should be stored in the fully charged state. > > Since it is normal for NiCds to lose charge with time, they > > should be discharged, then fully charged again about every > > 3 months. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I thought this alternative view would be of interest, which I just got > > through the Net: > > > > "Gra, > > I beg to disagree with the advice about storage of NiCad batteries. I was > > told by a professional user of the JVC camcorder that I had (the full size > > S-VHS one), that the best thing for long life was to store discharged, and > > to charge up and then discharge again periodically. I took this advice and > > noticed how much longer the batteries lasted than those on my other > > camcorder. Since then, I have learnt that the reason is that fully charged > > ones begin to change chemically and create a salt that reduces their > > capacity. The longer they are left, the worse the problem becomes. > > > > Since I began following the same procedure with AA NiCads, I have noticed > > how they seem to last indefinitely. the proof of the pudding is in the > > eating." > > > > Any thoughts anyone? Any "batteryologists" out there who could offer a > > professional view as to which advice is best? > > > > Graham > > > > Ron wrote: > > I have to preface this with a disclaimer: I am not a > battery engineer. To me, a battery is a component (that > I have used many times, in many product designs) and, > as with other components, I rely on the battery > manufacturer to provide data. > > With that in mind, I just pulled GE's 'Nickel-Cadmium > Battery Application Engineering Handbook' and found the > following: > > "The Nickel-Cadmium cell can be stored either in > the charged or discharged state. There is no > discernible difference in performance in either > state of charge, particularly if the battery is > reconditioned before putting into use." > > I believe Raytheon had similar things to say. OTOH, many > device manufacturers recommend storing NiCd batteries in > a charged state (and refreshing often enough to keep it > in readiness for use), for the simple reason that when > one needs a battery, pulling a dead one out of the drawer > kinda defeats the purpose of owning that battery in the > first place. Personally, I always store all my batteries > fully charged. > > There are many battery designs, all using the same NiCd > chemistry, that may differ in storage characteristics. > It's always best to consult the manufacturer of the > specific battery under discussion (though your friend > may be a better battery engineer than the GE people). > > Implicit in this advice is, I suspect, that the NicCad batteries should be > stored fully charged but not "topped" up as the charge wanes. The advice I > have always received is that they should be run flat before re-charging. > > Graham > That's correct. I used the term 'refresh' with means, discharge to about 0.9V per cell, than recharge to full capacity. Many chargers incorporate the circuitry to accomplish this automatically (as do my Hitachi camcorder charger and my RioVolt CD player). The reason for refreshing, rather than recharging a partially depleted battery, is the memory property of NiCd cells. When habitually recharged before fully depleted, they get the idea that this is the maximum capacity required of them and set their maximum capacity accordingly. A cell that has already lost capacity due to memory may be resurrected by deep discharge (well beyond the point used in refreshing), followed by a full charge. This is not healthy for the battery, (but at that point, who cares?). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mrao at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 28 00:30:24 2001 From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:30:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones References: <000301c18efd$1e7d9020$fb8c9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <001301c18f2e$764e6000$b2618890@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi All, At the outset wishing u all a very good Xmas and a happy and exciting new year I have been using headphones for a few years now. Having tried out all the headphones there is ....I feel the Sennheiser HD-600 is the best dynamic headphones one could buy (and yes better than Grado RS-1......IMHO). Even though they are dynamic headphones they sound very near electrostatic. Have a look at what the users of HD-600 have to say at the link below: http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Headphone/product_5614.shtml A couple of things to be aware of with these headphones is that - They perform to their true potential when run through a dedicated headphone amp ( I use Musical Fidelity X-cans) - They are so true to the source....that the rest of your system should be above average....at least, else they will be ruthlessly shown up!! The comparision between Grados & The Senns are subjective, since both are very good. But for me Grados (RS-1) sound a bit warm and coloured as compared to the Senn HD-600 which is absolutely neutral. Do give them both a listen and I am sure u wont be disappointed. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:37 AM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Headphones > According to Stephan Sank, the best headphones made are the Nakamichi SP-7 > headphones. > I am in the market for a pair. - Big Bear > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Di Meo Marc" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:14 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones > > > > Hi all, > > Hope all of you had a good christmas and will have an excellent New > Year.... > > > > Sice I have my nak deck 1 I have finally a headphone output (Quad doesn't > > have any). Now I am in the process of buying a good headphone, do any of > you > > have a good recommendation? > > > > So far on my list of possible buys. > > > > Grado sr325 > > Sennheiser HD590 > > > > Most reviews I've read so far give the grado the edge, anyone have a > > comment? > > > > Thanks > > Kind regards > > Marc > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Dec 28 16:32:31 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:32:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Surplus DIC///DAT Tapes Message-ID: <00cf01c18fb4$de3efe00$56756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Anybody want to make an offer on 5 new sealed DIC///DAT 62MQ DAT Tapes? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Dec 29 00:59:33 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:59:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question Message-ID: I got a DVD player and ran it through my mitsu VCR because my tele is an old one without all the fancy inputs. The picture gets bright and dim all the time. The manual said this is some sort of copyright bs circuitry. Is there a way to disable this in the DVD or the VCR? Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Dec 29 01:09:50 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:09:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c18ffd$226951f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Welcome to the abused world of copyright protection. The pulsating dimming is "Macrovision", and it's not defeatable. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DVD question I got a DVD player and ran it through my mitsu VCR because my tele is an old one without all the fancy inputs. The picture gets bright and dim all the time. The manual said this is some sort of copyright bs circuitry. Is there a way to disable this in the DVD or the VCR? Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Dec 29 01:25:22 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:25:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question In-Reply-To: <000101c18ffd$226951f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be using an RF adapter until I save up enough to buy one of those flat screen puppies. Damn...if they weren't so expensive.... Alex > Welcome to the abused world of copyright protection. The pulsating dimming > is "Macrovision", and it's not defeatable. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 29 02:07:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:07:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question References: <000101c18ffd$226951f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C2D176B.13EDA9C6@concentric.net> This is Macrovision and it *is* defeatable, though not for free. Just buy a Sima Color Corrector (model SSC) and connect it between your DVD player and the VCR. Cost is around 100 bucks, inclusive of shipping. In addition to clearing up the signal going through the VCR (and allowing you to copy the DVD, if you are so inclined, though I am not sure why), the SSC provides for far better video adjustments than your TV -- you may actually get a better picture than if you played the DVD directly through you TV. -- Ron Mike deVera wrote: > > Welcome to the abused world of copyright protection. The pulsating dimming > is "Macrovision", and it's not defeatable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cagann > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DVD question > > I got a DVD player and ran it through my mitsu VCR because my tele is an old > one without all the fancy inputs. The picture gets bright and dim all the > time. The manual said this is some sort of copyright bs circuitry. Is > there a way to disable this in the DVD or the VCR? > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Dec 29 02:30:38 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:30:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question Message-ID: <20011228.203039.-159437.0.josephj69@juno.com> In addition, the Macrovision can be permanently switched off on many (if not most) brands of DVD player by simply changing an EPROM on the cicuit board, or even by "flashing" the player with new firmware. The Apex players are the easiest to defeat Macrovision, but I'm told it's possible on just about any unit. To start, try searching usenet on the brand of your player and the word Macrovision. If you have an Apex brand player, just go here: http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk - Joe On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:07:55 -0500 Ron writes: > > This is Macrovision and it *is* defeatable, though > not for free. Just buy a Sima Color Corrector (model > SSC) and connect it between your DVD player and the > VCR. Cost is around 100 bucks, inclusive of shipping. > > In addition to clearing up the signal going through > the VCR (and allowing you to copy the DVD, if you are > so inclined, though I am not sure why), the SSC provides > for far better video adjustments than your TV -- you > may actually get a better picture than if you played > the DVD directly through you TV. > > -- Ron > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > Welcome to the abused world of copyright protection. The pulsating > dimming > > is "Macrovision", and it's not defeatable. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Alex Cagann > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] DVD question > > > > I got a DVD player and ran it through my mitsu VCR because my tele > is an old > > one without all the fancy inputs. The picture gets bright and dim > all the > > time. The manual said this is some sort of copyright bs > circuitry. Is > > there a way to disable this in the DVD or the VCR? > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Dec 29 02:40:30 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:40:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question In-Reply-To: <3C2D176B.13EDA9C6@concentric.net> Message-ID: Ron, I just saw the same DVD player I have on ebay with macrovision disabled...they called it a modification. So, this makes me think there is something easy to do in the unit. Thanks for your info....I looked at the Sima Color Correcter...very interesting piece of equipment. This DVD player I got was given as a gift from a friend...it is cheap and will do for now...considering my cheap television anyway (hell, who needs a television if you have a nak or two). It is an apex. Probably a kmart or target brand type of player for less than a c-note. Alex > This is Macrovision and it *is* defeatable, though > not for free. Just buy a Sima Color Corrector (model > SSC) and connect it between your DVD player and the > VCR. Cost is around 100 bucks, inclusive of shipping. > > In addition to clearing up the signal going through > the VCR (and allowing you to copy the DVD, if you are > so inclined, though I am not sure why), the SSC provides > for far better video adjustments than your TV -- you > may actually get a better picture than if you played > the DVD directly through you TV. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 29 03:04:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:04:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD question References: Message-ID: <3C2D24C5.3434CB51@concentric.net> I apologize for the oversight, I should have mentioned the following. The Macrovision interference is generated in DVD players in response to a signal from the disc. In principle, it can be defeated in *any* player by F/W change. However, in most players this is fairly difficult. The modified F/W is not available from the manufacturer, but may be available from after market hackers. There are European companies that deal with that sort of thing. Be aware that modified players are no longer covered by the warranty. Most, if not all, Apex players allow defeating Macrovision. Personally, I got the Sima CCS to actually correct colors. I own a very expensive Toshiba TV -- a piece of crap (to put it mildly) that was unacceptable without the CCS. I tried the CCS to copy a DVD and can vouch to its effectiveness (though, why would one copy a DVD escapes me. There was serious quality degradation even with a very high quality S-VHS VCR). -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > Ron, I just saw the same DVD player I have on ebay with macrovision > disabled...they called it a modification. So, this makes me think there is > something easy to do in the unit. Thanks for your info....I looked at the > Sima Color Correcter...very interesting piece of equipment. This DVD player > I got was given as a gift from a friend...it is cheap and will do for > now...considering my cheap television anyway (hell, who needs a television > if you have a nak or two). It is an apex. Probably a kmart or target brand > type of player for less than a c-note. > > Alex > > > This is Macrovision and it *is* defeatable, though > > not for free. Just buy a Sima Color Corrector (model > > SSC) and connect it between your DVD player and the > > VCR. Cost is around 100 bucks, inclusive of shipping. > > > > In addition to clearing up the signal going through > > the VCR (and allowing you to copy the DVD, if you are > > so inclined, though I am not sure why), the SSC provides > > for far better video adjustments than your TV -- you > > may actually get a better picture than if you played > > the DVD directly through you TV. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Dec 29 04:07:09 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:07:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <000101c18ffd$226951f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <001501c19015$e8412160$0500a8c0@c994264g> Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other than my ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" model in recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Dec 29 17:12:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:12:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration References: <001501c19015$e8412160$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C2DEB8A.32745A12@concentric.net> Bias is adjusted manually, with the aid of test tones and meters, both of which are provided for in many (all?) Nak 3 head machines. The process, once mastered, is quick and easy to do and results in perfectly set bias for the specific tape. The models you mention accomplish the same thing automatically. This is even simpler (all you do is push a button), but the result is not necessarily any better. I have never seen a DR-1 from up close, and cannot compare. I suspect, however, the CR-7 or Dragon (either of which is arguably the best cassette deck ever made) will surpass it in sound quality. -- Ron Mike deVera wrote: > > Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. > > I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, > and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other than my > ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. > > I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" model in > recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Dec 29 19:05:23 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:05:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <3C2DEB8A.32745A12@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002801c19093$6357b850$0500a8c0@c994264g> Okay - if calibration is that easy. Do you tune it by ear on a CR-5A that I'm considering on purchase? Does the performance closely match a CR-7A w/o quality degradation. The auto-calibrate seems to be the main features of a CR-7A? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Bias is adjusted manually, with the aid of test tones and meters, both of which are provided for in many (all?) Nak 3 head machines. The process, once mastered, is quick and easy to do and results in perfectly set bias for the specific tape. The models you mention accomplish the same thing automatically. This is even simpler (all you do is push a button), but the result is not necessarily any better. I have never seen a DR-1 from up close, and cannot compare. I suspect, however, the CR-7 or Dragon (either of which is arguably the best cassette deck ever made) will surpass it in sound quality. -- Ron Mike deVera wrote: > > Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. > > I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, > and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other than my > ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. > > I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" model in > recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bvillere at theriver.com Sat Dec 29 20:23:06 2001 From: bvillere at theriver.com (Bruce J. Villere) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:23:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <3C2DEB8A.32745A12@concentric.net> References: <001501c19015$e8412160$0500a8c0@c994264g> <3C2DEB8A.32745A12@concentric.net> Message-ID: Mike, Suggest that you go to the Naks website and look at the feature sets for the various models. Any deck with test tones and/or bias and level manual calibration in the feature list has manual bias adjust using the level meters. Models with 'bias fine tune' adjusts bias using your ear...and as you say, that is highly variable and subjective. 'Bias tune' in a sense allows you to easily place a subjective quality into your recordings (i.e.,bright or less bright) and is useful on occasion to tone down those overly bright CDs, or put a little more zing into an older vinyl recording. Bias adjustments using tones and meters are used in the 'purist' sense of producing a recording that maximizes the use of the tape, and, at least theoretically, producing a recording that is as close as possible to the original. So, if you record as a purist, use test tones and meters. If you record for 'subjective pleasure' or don't want to fuss with the test tones, use a three-head machine with 'bias fine tune' and yield to your ears. I have used both systems on Nak decks over the years and frankly, what you end up with is often just as dependent on the input and playback electronics in the deck, than the bias adjustment. Not all 3-head Nak decks sound the same. My DR-10, for example, produces recordings that are arguably superior to those produced on a Dragon, in that they are nearly CD like: detailed and good dynamic range. But to my ears, a Dragon is more musical, smooth, and ever so slightly less fatiguing. By way of comparison, an RX-505 doesn't sound (to me) quite as good as either, being slightly strident in the mids. Note that a lot of what you want in a deck depends on the type of music you are going to record on it. In the examples I've given (and based on my ears), the DR-10 would excel with modern rock, rap, etc, small ensemble and chamber music, and some classical. Full orchestral music, some jazz, and vocals typically sound superior on a Dragon. So, in the end, it is all very subjective. I suspect that the DR-1 is very nearly the same as the DR-10 in sound quality. To me, The CR7A and perhaps all of the 3-head CR-series sound almost the same as the DR-10; the 7A does produce crisper recordings due to its slightly extended frequency response. Three-head decks prior to the CR and DR series will have more variation in recorded and playback sound quality--not to say that any sound bad, but you will pick up more subtle variations in tonal balance, timbre, dynamicism, etc. Late models with test tones include the Dragon, ZX series, and I believe the CR-4A. The other CR series decks use either auto bias calibration (7A), or bias fine (CR3 and 5), so your ear and not your eye do the calibrating. The CR5 you are considering will likely perform very close, sonically and functionally, to your late DR-1, with the added stability of direct drive for the capstans. Scrutinize the the database on Naks.com! Happy hunting! BV >Bias is adjusted manually, with the aid of test tones >and meters, both of which are provided for in many >(all?) Nak 3 head machines. The process, once mastered, >is quick and easy to do and results in perfectly set >bias for the specific tape. > >The models you mention accomplish the same thing >automatically. This is even simpler (all you do is push >a button), but the result is not necessarily any better. > >I have never seen a DR-1 from up close, and cannot >compare. I suspect, however, the CR-7 or Dragon (either >of which is arguably the best cassette deck ever made) >will surpass it in sound quality. > >-- Ron > > >Mike deVera wrote: >> >> Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. >> >> I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, >> and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other than my >> ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. >> >> I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" model in >> recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Dec 29 22:57:35 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c190b3$d3794390$0500a8c0@c994264g> Well, after doing 3rd, 4th, and 5th investigative digging, I would think my conclusions would lead me to look for well-maintained ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon. My listening is mostly mainstream music, and I've, after a while, had given up on bias-tuning on my DR-1, since I couldn't trust myself that audibly, I've fine-tuned the bias the best way possible (so I left in default position). Maybe the question is: I primarily use (TDK SA, SA-X, MA-X) - (Maxell XLll-S,MX < Primarily a Maxell user) and (Denon HD-7/8, MD-M). I'm mostly recording LPs with mainstream stuff like '80s modern rock, old school jazz (Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane), female vocals (Rebecca Pidgeon, Diana Krall, Celine Dion, etc). Question: Does bias-tuning actually have an advantage using quality tapes with any quality deck such as ANY Naks? Is the default setting already optimized for the above listed tapes? Mostly of the tapes were recorded on my recently defunct DR-1. Will a new DR-8 do it for me (because it's new and sealed in a box), or lurk around eBay to snatch a ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon, or egads!! consider a purchase of a new Sony TC-KA3ES. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Bruce J. Villere Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Mike, Suggest that you go to the Naks website and look at the feature sets for the various models. Any deck with test tones and/or bias and level manual calibration in the feature list has manual bias adjust using the level meters. Models with 'bias fine tune' adjusts bias using your ear...and as you say, that is highly variable and subjective. 'Bias tune' in a sense allows you to easily place a subjective quality into your recordings (i.e.,bright or less bright) and is useful on occasion to tone down those overly bright CDs, or put a little more zing into an older vinyl recording. Bias adjustments using tones and meters are used in the 'purist' sense of producing a recording that maximizes the use of the tape, and, at least theoretically, producing a recording that is as close as possible to the original. So, if you record as a purist, use test tones and meters. If you record for 'subjective pleasure' or don't want to fuss with the test tones, use a three-head machine with 'bias fine tune' and yield to your ears. I have used both systems on Nak decks over the years and frankly, what you end up with is often just as dependent on the input and playback electronics in the deck, than the bias adjustment. Not all 3-head Nak decks sound the same. My DR-10, for example, produces recordings that are arguably superior to those produced on a Dragon, in that they are nearly CD like: detailed and good dynamic range. But to my ears, a Dragon is more musical, smooth, and ever so slightly less fatiguing. By way of comparison, an RX-505 doesn't sound (to me) quite as good as either, being slightly strident in the mids. Note that a lot of what you want in a deck depends on the type of music you are going to record on it. In the examples I've given (and based on my ears), the DR-10 would excel with modern rock, rap, etc, small ensemble and chamber music, and some classical. Full orchestral music, some jazz, and vocals typically sound superior on a Dragon. So, in the end, it is all very subjective. I suspect that the DR-1 is very nearly the same as the DR-10 in sound quality. To me, The CR7A and perhaps all of the 3-head CR-series sound almost the same as the DR-10; the 7A does produce crisper recordings due to its slightly extended frequency response. Three-head decks prior to the CR and DR series will have more variation in recorded and playback sound quality--not to say that any sound bad, but you will pick up more subtle variations in tonal balance, timbre, dynamicism, etc. Late models with test tones include the Dragon, ZX series, and I believe the CR-4A. The other CR series decks use either auto bias calibration (7A), or bias fine (CR3 and 5), so your ear and not your eye do the calibrating. The CR5 you are considering will likely perform very close, sonically and functionally, to your late DR-1, with the added stability of direct drive for the capstans. Scrutinize the the database on Naks.com! Happy hunting! BV >Bias is adjusted manually, with the aid of test tones >and meters, both of which are provided for in many >(all?) Nak 3 head machines. The process, once mastered, >is quick and easy to do and results in perfectly set >bias for the specific tape. > >The models you mention accomplish the same thing >automatically. This is even simpler (all you do is push >a button), but the result is not necessarily any better. > >I have never seen a DR-1 from up close, and cannot >compare. I suspect, however, the CR-7 or Dragon (either >of which is arguably the best cassette deck ever made) >will surpass it in sound quality. > >-- Ron > > >Mike deVera wrote: >> >> Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. >> >> I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, >> and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other than my >> ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. >> >> I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" model in >> recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 29 23:26:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:26:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <002a01c190b3$d3794390$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <002701c190b7$e33375e0$e1c387d9@a4s1s2> In terms of value for money, my observations suggest to me that you can get more bang for the Buck by purchasing a ZX7 or ZX9. It appears they do not attract quite the same premium as the Nakamichi CRs or Dragon, probably because they seem to be less well-known outside of Nakophiliac circles. In contrast, most hi fi enthusiasts seem to have heard of the Dragon, and perhaps almost as many of the CR7. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 29 December 2001 09:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Well, after doing 3rd, 4th, and 5th investigative digging, I would think my conclusions would lead me to look for well-maintained ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon. My listening is mostly mainstream music, and I've, after a while, had given up on bias-tuning on my DR-1, since I couldn't trust myself that audibly, I've fine-tuned the bias the best way possible (so I left in default position). Maybe the question is: I primarily use (TDK SA, SA-X, MA-X) - (Maxell XLll-S,MX < Primarily a Maxell user) and (Denon HD-7/8, MD-M). I'm mostly recording LPs with mainstream stuff like '80s modern rock, old school jazz (Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane), female vocals (Rebecca Pidgeon, Diana Krall, Celine Dion, etc). Question: Does bias-tuning actually have an advantage using quality tapes with any quality deck such as ANY Naks? Is the default setting already optimized for the above listed tapes? Mostly of the tapes were recorded on my recently defunct DR-1. Will a new DR-8 do it for me (because it's new and sealed in a box), or lurk around eBay to snatch a ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon, or egads!! consider a purchase of a new Sony TC-KA3ES. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 30 00:13:26 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:13:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Message-ID: Mike, Don't waste your money on a new Sony TCKA3ES. The 3 head Naks definitely sound better. If I understand you correctly, the reason for wanting a DR-10 is because it would be new and hence avoid any potential problems with the machine if its second hand? The DR-10 is mechanically identical to the DR-2, one model down from your DR-1, the difference with your DR-1 being the addition of adjustable azimuth on the DR-1. If I may ask, what is the problem with your DR-1? Why not get it repaired and serviced by Nakamichi USA or by Stephen Sank (you may have come across him on Naktalk)? This way you can avoid the dilemma! If your heart is set on a replacement Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon then just get one off E-bay and send it to Stephen Sank or Nakamichi USA first to be serviced/brought up to specification before receiving it. The servicing cost should not be much and in the case of your DR-1 may be cheaper than shelling out for a replacement Nak! If you are getting a replacement Nak, then any of those you mention would be better than the DR-1, except the CR-4 would not have adjustable azimuth. Cheers. Kelvin. >From: "Mike deVera" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration >Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:35 -0800 > >Well, after doing 3rd, 4th, and 5th investigative digging, I would think my >conclusions would lead me to look for well-maintained ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or >Dragon. My listening is mostly mainstream music, and I've, after a while, >had given up on bias-tuning on my DR-1, since I couldn't trust myself that >audibly, I've fine-tuned the bias the best way possible (so I left in >default position). > >Maybe the question is: I primarily use (TDK SA, SA-X, MA-X) - (Maxell >XLll-S,MX < Primarily a Maxell user) and (Denon HD-7/8, MD-M). > >I'm mostly recording LPs with mainstream stuff like '80s modern rock, old >school jazz (Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane), female vocals (Rebecca Pidgeon, >Diana Krall, Celine Dion, etc). > >Question: Does bias-tuning actually have an advantage using quality tapes >with any quality deck such as ANY Naks? Is the default setting already >optimized for the above listed tapes? > >Mostly of the tapes were recorded on my recently defunct DR-1. Will a new >DR-8 do it for me (because it's new and sealed in a box), or lurk around >eBay to snatch a ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon, or egads!! consider a >purchase >of a new Sony TC-KA3ES. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sun Dec 30 00:37:50 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:37:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c190c1$d565c8f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> DR-1: Yogurt poured into tape well, then washed down with milk, then power switched turned on, then probing of tape well with an unknown pointing object - I don't know in which order. IT IS THE LAST TIME, I'm babysitting children spawned by in-laws. Needless to say, the party or parents of, aren't offering to replace/repair. Other than eBay, Yahoo, AudioGon, Audioreview - where are the "close to mint" ZX-7/9 hiding? I'm assuming that the ZX-7/9 is generally higher in the food chain compared to DR-1? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Mike, Don't waste your money on a new Sony TCKA3ES. The 3 head Naks definitely sound better. If I understand you correctly, the reason for wanting a DR-10 is because it would be new and hence avoid any potential problems with the machine if its second hand? The DR-10 is mechanically identical to the DR-2, one model down from your DR-1, the difference with your DR-1 being the addition of adjustable azimuth on the DR-1. If I may ask, what is the problem with your DR-1? Why not get it repaired and serviced by Nakamichi USA or by Stephen Sank (you may have come across him on Naktalk)? This way you can avoid the dilemma! If your heart is set on a replacement Nak ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon then just get one off E-bay and send it to Stephen Sank or Nakamichi USA first to be serviced/brought up to specification before receiving it. The servicing cost should not be much and in the case of your DR-1 may be cheaper than shelling out for a replacement Nak! If you are getting a replacement Nak, then any of those you mention would be better than the DR-1, except the CR-4 would not have adjustable azimuth. Cheers. Kelvin. >From: "Mike deVera" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration >Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:57:35 -0800 > >Well, after doing 3rd, 4th, and 5th investigative digging, I would think my >conclusions would lead me to look for well-maintained ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or >Dragon. My listening is mostly mainstream music, and I've, after a while, >had given up on bias-tuning on my DR-1, since I couldn't trust myself that >audibly, I've fine-tuned the bias the best way possible (so I left in >default position). > >Maybe the question is: I primarily use (TDK SA, SA-X, MA-X) - (Maxell >XLll-S,MX < Primarily a Maxell user) and (Denon HD-7/8, MD-M). > >I'm mostly recording LPs with mainstream stuff like '80s modern rock, old >school jazz (Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane), female vocals (Rebecca Pidgeon, >Diana Krall, Celine Dion, etc). > >Question: Does bias-tuning actually have an advantage using quality tapes >with any quality deck such as ANY Naks? Is the default setting already >optimized for the above listed tapes? > >Mostly of the tapes were recorded on my recently defunct DR-1. Will a new >DR-8 do it for me (because it's new and sealed in a box), or lurk around >eBay to snatch a ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon, or egads!! consider a >purchase >of a new Sony TC-KA3ES. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 30 01:33:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:33:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <002c01c190c1$d565c8f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <000401c190c9$88de97c0$fb8687d9@a4s1s2> Mike Is the child still alive? In these circumstances, infanticide could be justifiable! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 29 December 2001 11:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration DR-1: Yogurt poured into tape well, then washed down with milk, then power switched turned on, then probing of tape well with an unknown pointing object - I don't know in which order. IT IS THE LAST TIME, I'm babysitting children spawned by in-laws. Needless to say, the party or parents of, aren't offering to replace/repair. Other than eBay, Yahoo, AudioGon, Audioreview - where are the "close to mint" ZX-7/9 hiding? I'm assuming that the ZX-7/9 is generally higher in the food chain compared to DR-1? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Dec 30 01:44:11 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:44:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration References: <002c01c190c1$d565c8f0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <003b01c190cb$19b779a0$ba021fac@brianm> ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌ Organization: GRAR > Other than eBay, Yahoo, AudioGon, Audioreview - where are the "close to > mint" ZX-7/9 hiding? I'm assuming that the ZX-7/9 is generally higher in the > food chain compared to DR-1? There is no way but up the Nak chain from a DR-1. :)) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sun Dec 30 02:03:38 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:03:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <000401c190c9$88de97c0$fb8687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002d01c190cd$d17d4db0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Well ... I do live in the United States, now what if we offer to fly this wonderful family to let's say Borneo .. Then an unfortunate accident happened with a rampant gorilla ... Just a thought. On the lighter side, my wife has been speaking to her sister, and we might get some comp for it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Mike Is the child still alive? In these circumstances, infanticide could be justifiable! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 29 December 2001 11:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration DR-1: Yogurt poured into tape well, then washed down with milk, then power switched turned on, then probing of tape well with an unknown pointing object - I don't know in which order. IT IS THE LAST TIME, I'm babysitting children spawned by in-laws. Needless to say, the party or parents of, aren't offering to replace/repair. Other than eBay, Yahoo, AudioGon, Audioreview - where are the "close to mint" ZX-7/9 hiding? I'm assuming that the ZX-7/9 is generally higher in the food chain compared to DR-1? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 30 02:15:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:15:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <002d01c190cd$d17d4db0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <000001c190cf$86748de0$a1b187d9@a4s1s2> Now, if you were in Saudi you might just have got the blighter beheaded! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 30 December 2001 01:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Well ... I do live in the United States, now what if we offer to fly this wonderful family to let's say Borneo .. Then an unfortunate accident happened with a rampant gorilla ... Just a thought. On the lighter side, my wife has been speaking to her sister, and we might get some comp for it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration Mike Is the child still alive? In these circumstances, infanticide could be justifiable! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 29 December 2001 11:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Calibration DR-1: Yogurt poured into tape well, then washed down with milk, then power switched turned on, then probing of tape well with an unknown pointing object - I don't know in which order. IT IS THE LAST TIME, I'm babysitting children spawned by in-laws. Needless to say, the party or parents of, aren't offering to replace/repair. Other than eBay, Yahoo, AudioGon, Audioreview - where are the "close to mint" ZX-7/9 hiding? I'm assuming that the ZX-7/9 is generally higher in the food chain compared to DR-1? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bvillere at theriver.com Sun Dec 30 09:09:24 2001 From: bvillere at theriver.com (Bruce J. Villere) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:09:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: <002a01c190b3$d3794390$0500a8c0@c994264g> References: <002a01c190b3$d3794390$0500a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: Good question regarding the performance with different tapes. Unfortunately, my experience is limited to Type II tapes, primarily TDK SA and Maxell XLII. Between those, I find very little difference on the DR-10. If I had to characterize the two, I would say that the Maxell is slightly more 'punchy', live sounding, whereas the TDK seems to provide more uniform and slightly extended frequency response, albeit with less detail at times. But really, they are very close. Once upon a time, circa 1974, a younger me discovered that his shiny new Nakamichi 500 seemed to like TDK tape better than Maxell. There were noticeable sonic differnces with the Maxell sounding heavier and less bright and the TDK more balanced. Also at that time, I deduced, by comparison recording, that the Nakamichi-branded cassette that came with the 500 must certainly be a TDK formulation in disguise. How true that was I don't know, except that the Nak cassette sounded awfully close to SA, certainly more so than the comparable Maxell UDXL. So, I always felt that Nakamichi decks were 'set up' for TDK tape. Today, however, I find the Maxell to be the better sounding formulation overall, on each of the DR10, CR7A, and even on my now aging 500. So I think that it is as much a measure of how good-and similar-the formulations have become, as what tape type a machine is 'set-up' for. One thing else I can tell you: a few years back I sampled some of TDK's 'speciality' formulations like CD-Bass, CD Power, etc. On the 500, I could hear noticeable differences (none too pleasant, either). When I tried these on the DR-10, the differences in recorded sound were far less noticeable, to the point where these 'specialty' formulations sounded nearly as good as SA or XLII. So not only have the mainstream tape formulations become more similar and consistent, modern Naks are much less sensitive to tape brand and formulation, at least within a given type (type II in this case). This makes sense when you think about it: these modern Naks spec frequency response as being identical regardless of tape type; so it stands to reason that sonic differences among formulations within a tape type might be small. Tape manufacturers like TDK who purposely formulate tapes to provide different sound qualities must dislike Nakamichi! How do the bias fine tune and bias/level/meter methods of bias adjustment affect performance with different tape types/brands? It is just a matter of getting the most out of the tape. You are not going to make a Maxell tape sound like a TDK and vice versa using one method or the other, or by upping the bias level, etc. The sonic 'fingerprint' of the tape is set by the manufacturer's formulation and the comparitive sonic differences (e.g., timbre, detail, dynamics) between tape brands and types won't blur much with bias adjustments. Your current choices of Dragon, ZX series or CR series will likely serve you well, although I have no experience with the ZX series. Mechanically, the ZX-9 seems similar to a Dragon without auto-azimuth and auto reverse, although the ZX units use the RX head set, as do many other late 70's/early-mid 80's Nak decks (including the legendary 1000/700 ZXLs). The ZX units, esp. the ZX-9, are fewer in number on the resale market, so you have to keep a sharp eye out. CR-4A's (which have the same heads as the CR 3/5/7 and the DR 1/2/10) are somewhat rare also. And while the Dragon is arguably the best sounding Nak deck, it seems to be a thoroughbred that demands some additional maintenance during extended ownership. The auto azimuth often gets out of wack over time, all those bias and level pots can get noisy, etc. (same is true for any Nak with bias/level adjustments, including the ZX series) It's nothing that can't be easily set right by a Nakamichi service technician, mind you, but it is an added expense to the purchase/ownership of the unit; sort of goes with the territory, so to speak. So be careful when shopping for a used Dragon; you may get a real 'dragon'! Look for one in 'babied' condition being sold by the original owner who knows the history and use of the unit, or perhaps one that has been recently serviced professionally to bring it back to like new performance; in this case ask for the service paperwork, especially if the unit is still under service warranty. Consider a DR-8 as your primary deck only if your interest in cassette recording is starting to wane, and it doesn't sound that way to me. If you owned a three head deck before, and are into bias adjustment for performance, stay with a good used three head deck. The new DR-8's on E-bay are a good buy for that second system where quality playback is important but not necessarily recording. Not that a two head DR-8 is bad; it is just a step down from where you are at. Your existing tape library is another consideration. It is common for even well cared for Naks to have ever so slightly different head azimuth settings from one deck to another. If your existing library is important, consider a deck with playback head azimuth adjustment (like your DR-1). In that regard, perhaps the most fuss-free choice would be a Dragon, with its auto-azimuth system on the playback head. As for the Sony, well it's like this. Ask yourself one question: Does the deck I'm considering purchasing provide the same frequency response (read: Performance) regardless of tape type? In my mind, such a feat is the best indicator of the deck's evolutionary sophisitcation and overall recording competance. To my (admittedly limited) knowledge, there is only one brand-name answer, and with many models to choose from. And you know what that brand is--that is why you are here! And as for your family, remember the standard rule for kids and pets: put it up high, enclosed and, if necessary, locked. Or do as I do: one room in the house where the kids and pets do not go...deadbolted, if need be, for your protection and their longevity! Happy hunting! BV >Well, after doing 3rd, 4th, and 5th investigative digging, I would think my >conclusions would lead me to look for well-maintained ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or >Dragon. My listening is mostly mainstream music, and I've, after a while, >had given up on bias-tuning on my DR-1, since I couldn't trust myself that >audibly, I've fine-tuned the bias the best way possible (so I left in >default position). > >Maybe the question is: I primarily use (TDK SA, SA-X, MA-X) - (Maxell >XLll-S,MX < Primarily a Maxell user) and (Denon HD-7/8, MD-M). > >I'm mostly recording LPs with mainstream stuff like '80s modern rock, old >school jazz (Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane), female vocals (Rebecca Pidgeon, >Diana Krall, Celine Dion, etc). > >Question: Does bias-tuning actually have an advantage using quality tapes >with any quality deck such as ANY Naks? Is the default setting already >optimized for the above listed tapes? > >Mostly of the tapes were recorded on my recently defunct DR-1. Will a new >DR-8 do it for me (because it's new and sealed in a box), or lurk around >eBay to snatch a ZX-7/9, CR-4a/7a, or Dragon, or egads!! consider a purchase >of a new Sony TC-KA3ES. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bruce J. Villere >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:23 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Calibration > > > >Mike, > >Suggest that you go to the Naks website and look at the feature sets >for the various models. Any deck with test tones and/or bias and >level manual calibration in the feature list has manual bias adjust >using the level meters. Models with 'bias fine tune' adjusts bias >using your ear...and as you say, that is highly variable and >subjective. 'Bias tune' in a sense allows you to easily place a >subjective quality into your recordings (i.e.,bright or less bright) >and is useful on occasion to tone down those overly bright CDs, or >put a little more zing into an older vinyl recording. Bias >adjustments using tones and meters are used in the 'purist' sense of >producing a recording that maximizes the use of the tape, and, at >least theoretically, producing a recording that is as close as >possible to the original. So, if you record as a purist, use test >tones and meters. If you record for 'subjective pleasure' or don't >want to fuss with the test tones, use a three-head machine with 'bias >fine tune' and yield to your ears. > >I have used both systems on Nak decks over the years and frankly, >what you end up with is often just as dependent on the input and >playback electronics in the deck, than the bias adjustment. Not all >3-head Nak decks sound the same. My DR-10, for example, produces >recordings that are arguably superior to those produced on a Dragon, >in that they are nearly CD like: detailed and good dynamic range. But >to my ears, a Dragon is more musical, smooth, and ever so slightly >less fatiguing. By way of comparison, an RX-505 doesn't sound (to me) >quite as good as either, being slightly strident in the mids. Note >that a lot of what you want in a deck depends on the type of music >you are going to record on it. In the examples I've given (and based >on my ears), the DR-10 would excel with modern rock, rap, etc, small >ensemble and chamber music, and some classical. Full orchestral >music, some jazz, and vocals typically sound superior on a Dragon. >So, in the end, it is all very subjective. > >I suspect that the DR-1 is very nearly the same as the DR-10 in sound >quality. To me, The CR7A and perhaps all of the 3-head CR-series >sound almost the same as the DR-10; the 7A does produce crisper >recordings due to its slightly extended frequency response. >Three-head decks prior to the CR and DR series will have more >variation in recorded and playback sound quality--not to say that any >sound bad, but you will pick up more subtle variations in tonal >balance, timbre, dynamicism, etc. > >Late models with test tones include the Dragon, ZX series, and I >believe the CR-4A. The other CR series decks use either auto bias >calibration (7A), or bias fine (CR3 and 5), so your ear and not your >eye do the calibrating. The CR5 you are considering will likely >perform very close, sonically and functionally, to your late DR-1, >with the added stability of direct drive for the capstans. Scrutinize >the the database on Naks.com! Happy hunting! > >BV > >>Bias is adjusted manually, with the aid of test tones >>and meters, both of which are provided for in many >>(all?) Nak 3 head machines. The process, once mastered, >>is quick and easy to do and results in perfectly set >>bias for the specific tape. >> >>The models you mention accomplish the same thing >>automatically. This is even simpler (all you do is push >>a button), but the result is not necessarily any better. >> >>I have never seen a DR-1 from up close, and cannot >>compare. I suspect, however, the CR-7 or Dragon (either >>of which is arguably the best cassette deck ever made) >>will surpass it in sound quality. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >>Mike deVera wrote: >>> >>> Okay, I don't really trust my ears to be accurate in adjusting bias. >>> >>> I basically think that the more recent units such as a Nak ZX-7/9, >CR-4a/7a, >>> and Dragon would be the best buy for me in optimizing bias. Or other >than my >>> ear, how else can I optimize tape bias. >>> >>> I've had a DR-1 recently, (wrecked by child) - what's the "step-up" >model in >>> recording quality and playback, while maintaining Dolby C. >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 30 08:59:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:59:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client Message-ID: <009c01c19107$df84b760$403442cf@sank1> A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the 9000's, so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from some thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and it has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get $800, but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale warranty. Pics are at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg Call or email me if interested. Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or whatever is convenient. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sun Dec 30 09:49:18 2001 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:49:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New Passwords In-Reply-To: <000001c190cf$86748de0$a1b187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00bc01c1910e$df0486b0$0500a8c0@c994264g> Is there info on the new password to this site: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ . I'm looking for a DR-10 manaul. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Dec 30 10:41:16 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:41:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client In-Reply-To: <009c01c19107$df84b760$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c19116$21565aa0$0236fb3e@soulantikas> Hi Stephen, I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? With all my best wishes for the new year Jannis Soulantikas j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the 9000's, so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from some thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and it has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get $800, but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale warranty. Pics are at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg Call or email me if interested. Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or whatever is convenient. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 30 10:40:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client References: <000001c19116$21565aa0$0236fb3e@soulantikas> Message-ID: <00ac01c19116$0f6b8fe0$403442cf@sank1> Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't easy getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the most efficient way to go, at least for now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > Hi Stephen, > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > Jannis Soulantikas > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after > gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the > 9000's, > so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint > condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from > some > thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and > it > has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get > $800, > but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale > warranty. > Pics are at: > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg > Call or email me if interested. > Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or > whatever is convenient. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 30 11:56:09 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:56:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client In-Reply-To: <00ac01c19116$0f6b8fe0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000201c19120$969c6f20$13a787d9@a4s1s2> For what it's worth, I'm using an outboard transformer with my lovely BX1 (like it almost as much as my ZX9!) and it works fine. Got it new on e-Bay for about $12 plus shipping. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 30 December 2001 09:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't easy getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the most efficient way to go, at least for now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > Hi Stephen, > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > Jannis Soulantikas > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after > gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the > 9000's, > so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint > condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from > some > thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and > it > has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get > $800, > but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale > warranty. > Pics are at: > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg > Call or email me if interested. > Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or > whatever is convenient. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I was lucky to find that while cleaning the upper board, when those parts almost fell off to the touch of a brush. Looks like SR4 was more solidly build with toroid transformer and better 'looking' pcbs & connectors, and also the TA was already made in taiwan. Best wishes to all Naksters, hopefully 2002 will be a better year for us all ! Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Dec 29 14:51:46 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:51:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Message-ID: <000a01c1906f$f5545980$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 30 15:08:01 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:08:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client Message-ID: I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending on the model? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > >Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't >easy >getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his >machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. >NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much >money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the >most efficient way to go, at least for now. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J. Soulantikas" >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > > > Jannis Soulantikas > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Dec 30 16:05:43 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:05:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client In-Reply-To: <00ac01c19116$0f6b8fe0$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000201c19143$74b8f7c0$0f36fb3e@soulantikas> Hi again, I have mailed you a message at your thuntec.net address. Waiting for a reply, Jannis -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't easy getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the most efficient way to go, at least for now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > Hi Stephen, > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > Jannis Soulantikas > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after > gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the > 9000's, > so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint > condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from > some > thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and > it > has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get > $800, > but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale > warranty. > Pics are at: > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg > Call or email me if interested. > Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or > whatever is convenient. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 30 18:15:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:15:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client References: <009c01c19107$df84b760$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c19155$88dda7c0$6c756acf@johnrotten> A nice looking machine and all ready for years of dedicated service! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > A client has asked me to sell his CR-7A, which is still at my shop after > gear upgrade & full calibration/maintenance. It's a serial # in the 9000's, > so it's had the record EQ correction at the factory. It's in near mint > condition, but for some scratches along the side of the top cover from some > thoughtless previous servicer sliding it onto an uncarpeted shelf, and it > has the remote & a copy of the owner's manual. He is looking to get $800, > but is open to negotiate a bit. This includes my one year resale warranty. > Pics are at: > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a1.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a2.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a3.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a4.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a5.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a6.jpg > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/cr7a7.jpg > Call or email me if interested. > Oh, and international shipping is no problem. Payment via paypal or > whatever is convenient. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 30 18:33:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:33:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable In-Reply-To: <004401c19156$1e840cb0$6c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000b01c19158$2a267ec0$d89087d9@a4s1s2> You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 30 18:59:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable References: <000b01c19158$2a267ec0$d89087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008701c1915b$c0dd61f0$6c756acf@johnrotten> I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and is very seldom used. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Dec 30 17:30:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:30:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client References: Message-ID: <003b01c1914f$4376fd40$79289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kelvin / Winnie, they're not exactly the same, esp between different 'generation' naks. I use RX202 trafo for BX300 but I remember it was not exact replacement for CR3/4. Older naks may use different voltage levels - had a hard time finding -12V on 482 ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending on the model? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 30 22:57:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:57:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client References: Message-ID: <00f201c1917d$02374280$403442cf@sank1> The CR-7 & CR-5 have more secondary voltage windings than the average Nak, due mostly to having the flourescent display, which needs a 3VAC filament line with -20-30VDC bias riding on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not > just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the > problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending > on the model? > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > > > >Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't > >easy > >getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his > >machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. > >NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much > >money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the > >most efficient way to go, at least for now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "J. Soulantikas" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > > > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > > > > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > > > > > Jannis Soulantikas > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 30 23:09:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:09:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable References: <000b01c19158$2a267ec0$d89087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <011501c1917e$9c967f20$403442cf@sank1> I also have an SME. An original 3009. Mounted on a beautiful Fairchild 412 table, along with my dad's RCA BDR-1 broadcast arm. And it's an actual tube turntable. My dad built a tube AC servo to make the table run 3 speeds. Wonderful setup. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Dec 30 23:12:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:12:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable References: <000b01c19158$2a267ec0$d89087d9@a4s1s2> <008701c1915b$c0dd61f0$6c756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <012401c1917f$1856cb60$403442cf@sank1> An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and is very seldom used. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Dec 30 23:39:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable References: <000b01c19158$2a267ec0$d89087d9@a4s1s2> <008701c1915b$c0dd61f0$6c756acf@johnrotten> <012401c1917f$1856cb60$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <014e01c19182$deb319a0$6c756acf@johnrotten> Well Stephen, in its day, Absolute Sound raved about this pairing. It made a change from the Shure V15 II's of the day. I imported one or two Decca's when I lived in Boston but never got to hear any. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad > that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. > Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at > the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume > these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. > I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and > is very seldom used. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 31 02:03:16 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:03:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1821 In-Reply-To: <200112302315.AAA18480@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Well guys I have an SME too, a 3009 series III which I got on ebay 'bout 3-4 months ago. Today I finally got around to taking it out of the box (it was new, old stock) and am in the process of mounting it on, at Stephens's recommendation, a Fairchild 412, which I also got on ebay. Should finish getting it mounted later tonight/tomorrow. Now I want to buy a new Shure cartridge for it. I currently have various cartridges lying around. Buy the way, I also acquired a JVC QL-Y5F direct drive turntable with an Ortofon VMS 10E Mark II cartridge from an acquaintance last week. Other than cleaning it up and rebalancing the arm, it works perfectly. It has one of the "bio tracer" type servo arms. There is a knob labeled Q dampening. Anyone know what that does? Adjusting definitely affects the sound. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 18:16 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1821 naktalk-digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1821 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:30:15 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Kelvin / Winnie, they're not exactly the same, esp between different 'generation' naks. I use RX202 trafo for BX300 but I remember it was not exact replacement for CR3/4. Older naks may use different voltage levels - had a hard time finding -12V on 482 ! Best regards, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending on the model? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > - --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
Hi Kelvin / Winnie, they're not exactly the same, esp between different 'generation' naks.  I use RX202 trafo for BX300 but I remember it was not exact replacement for CR3/4.   Older naks may use different voltage levels - had a hard time finding -12V on 482 !
 
Best regards,
Salim SM
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client


I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not
just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the
problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending
on the model?


>From: "Stephen Sank" <bk11 at thuntek.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700
>
- --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg)-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:57:42 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client The CR-7 & CR-5 have more secondary voltage windings than the average Nak, due mostly to having the flourescent display, which needs a 3VAC filament line with -20-30VDC bias riding on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not > just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the > problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending > on the model? > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > > > >Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't > >easy > >getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his > >machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. > >NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much > >money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the > >most efficient way to go, at least for now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "J. Soulantikas" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > > > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > > > > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > > > > > Jannis Soulantikas > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:09:10 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable I also have an SME. An original 3009. Mounted on a beautiful Fairchild 412 table, along with my dad's RCA BDR-1 broadcast arm. And it's an actual tube turntable. My dad built a tube AC servo to make the table run 3 speeds. Wonderful setup. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:12:38 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and is very seldom used. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:39 -0500 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Well Stephen, in its day, Absolute Sound raved about this pairing. It made a change from the Shure V15 II's of the day. I imported one or two Decca's when I lived in Boston but never got to hear any. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad > that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. > Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at > the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume > these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. > I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and > is very seldom used. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1821 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Dec 31 09:55:09 2001 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:55:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] happy newyear Message-ID: <003e01c191d8$d9b70be0$57f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi all! Happy Newyear - it's been fun to be in this group form just 2 mths (1500 messages in that time) and I already had my hifi-virus activated. Gone out spending money on the Behringer Ultra Curve 8024 digital equalizer. Haven't got it yet due to Christmass but it's waiting at the Postoffice. - By the way: Stephen, I posted a message at rec.audio.pro saying that Behringer was a great company. To my great disappointment I just got 1 answer saying: "You must be joking!" Ole Thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Dec 31 20:55:25 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:55:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1822 In-Reply-To: <200112310137.CAA19133@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Stephen Sank...I finally finished setting up the SME arm on the Fairchild 412 in spite of my 10 left thumbs! Even with a cheap, old Grado X+ cartridge, this setup sounds better than the JVC QL-Y5F or Thorens TD 160. Although I always knew SME made good arms, I never would have purchased the Fairchild 412 without his recommendation. Turns out this table is quiet and steady and has good torque. Thanks again Stephen. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 20:38 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1822 naktalk-digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1822 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:51:49 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Passwords Mike deVera wrote: > > Is there info on the new password to this site: > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ . > I'm looking for a DR-10 manaul. > Login: naktalk Password: limited ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:03:16 -0500 From: "Tom Dedrick" Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1821 Well guys I have an SME too, a 3009 series III which I got on ebay 'bout 3-4 months ago. Today I finally got around to taking it out of the box (it was new, old stock) and am in the process of mounting it on, at Stephens's recommendation, a Fairchild 412, which I also got on ebay. Should finish getting it mounted later tonight/tomorrow. Now I want to buy a new Shure cartridge for it. I currently have various cartridges lying around. Buy the way, I also acquired a JVC QL-Y5F direct drive turntable with an Ortofon VMS 10E Mark II cartridge from an acquaintance last week. Other than cleaning it up and rebalancing the arm, it works perfectly. It has one of the "bio tracer" type servo arms. There is a knob labeled Q dampening. Anyone know what that does? Adjusting definitely affects the sound. TomD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 18:16 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1821 naktalk-digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1821 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:30:15 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - - --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Kelvin / Winnie, they're not exactly the same, esp between different 'generation' naks. I use RX202 trafo for BX300 but I remember it was not exact replacement for CR3/4. Older naks may use different voltage levels - had a hard time finding -12V on 482 ! Best regards, Salim SM - - ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending on the model? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > - - --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
Hi Kelvin / Winnie, they're not exactly the same, esp between different 'generation' naks.  I use RX202 trafo for BX300 but I remember it was not exact replacement for CR3/4.   Older naks may use different voltage levels - had a hard time finding -12V on 482 !
 
Best regards,
Salim SM
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client


I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not
just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the
problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending
on the model?


>From: "Stephen Sank" <bk11 at thuntek.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700
>
- - --Boundary_(ID_FyPU/HmEQ/SP7QRgULL/Qg)-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:57:42 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client The CR-7 & CR-5 have more secondary voltage windings than the average Nak, due mostly to having the flourescent display, which needs a 3VAC filament line with -20-30VDC bias riding on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > I wonder, do all Naks have the same internal transformers? If so, why not > just get a BX-100E and use its transformer for the CR-7A, hence solving the > problem of getting parts for Jannis? Or do they use different ones depending > on the model? > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:40:46 -0700 > > > >Well, I just got done doing exactly that for a UK client, but it wasn't > >easy > >getting the parts. Kannan was generous enough to lend parts from his > >machine, as it was taking so long to get the parts new through Singapore. > >NakUK was not helpful on the parts & the Nak hq in Europe wanted too much > >money by far. It seems that using an external stepdown transformer is the > >most efficient way to go, at least for now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "J. Soulantikas" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:41 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Selling a CR-7A for a client > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I am terribly interested in the CR7-A but, since I live in The > > > Netherlands, will it be possible for you to change the A into E? > > > > > > With all my best wishes for the new year > > > > > > Jannis Soulantikas > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:09:10 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable I also have an SME. An original 3009. Mounted on a beautiful Fairchild 412 table, along with my dad's RCA BDR-1 broadcast arm. And it's an actual tube turntable. My dad built a tube AC servo to make the table run 3 speeds. Wonderful setup. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:12:38 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and is very seldom used. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Hard to find Nak http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Best for 2002 Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:39 -0500 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Well Stephen, in its day, Absolute Sound raved about this pairing. It made a change from the Shure V15 II's of the day. I imported one or two Decca's when I lived in Boston but never got to hear any. John - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > An ADC XLM? Yeeek! How did that get on there? Those things are so bad > that when I replace one, the ADC goes straight into the trashcan. > Disgusting to hear of one mounted on an SME. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > I had my mother bring me one from the UK about 25 yrs. ago which I think at > the time cost me about 30 Pounds from a discount store in Watford. I assume > these aren't made anymore? I then purchased the oil trough arm damper unit. > I'm afraid that it sits here on a Thorens TD150 with ADC XLM cartridge and > is very seldom used. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > You have an SME arm as well??? Will you please adopt me? > > ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 30 December 2001 05:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > What a beauty. The closest I can get to that is my SME Arm. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable > > > > Hard to find Nak > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 > > Best for 2002 > > Norman > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Dec 31 21:20:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:20:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] happy newyear References: <003e01c191d8$d9b70be0$57f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <023901c19238$94906740$403442cf@sank1> I saw your newsgroup posting & the response. Your post was recognised by everyone as a "troll", i.e., just a goof to provoke responses. You should have been more subtle! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ole thofte" To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] happy newyear Hi all! Happy Newyear - it's been fun to be in this group form just 2 mths (1500 messages in that time) and I already had my hifi-virus activated. Gone out spending money on the Behringer Ultra Curve 8024 digital equalizer. Haven't got it yet due to Christmass but it's waiting at the Postoffice. - By the way: Stephen, I posted a message at rec.audio.pro saying that Behringer was a great company. To my great disappointment I just got 1 answer saying: "You must be joking!" Ole Thofte ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Dec 31 23:13:19 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:13:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips/Marantz CD mechanisms Message-ID: Hi everyone, Hope you've all had a great New Year Eve's party! For those that are still sober, I'll like to ask a question please. It has been said a few times that the older Phillips CD mechanisms are far superior to the current plasticky CDM12 series and are much more reliable. Does anyone here have any experience with the Marantz CD-10 CD player? I understand this uses an older Phillips CD mechanism? Perhaps the CDM4 or something similar? Is this CD player any good as an integrated or better as a CD transport only? Also, what would be a reasonable price for it? Thanks in advance for any answers, much appreciated! Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For those that are still > sober, I'll like to ask a question please. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-2.txt ************************************************************************ From copytec at coqui.net Thu Feb 1 03:23:59 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:23:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL References: <031701c08b9f$380fe2c0$7393bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <00ee01c08bf6$099be040$7b2f2ac4@coqui.net> Anything about those chips ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Feb 1 07:13:21 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:13:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Cassette Repairs in South Africa References: Message-ID: <3A78FE81.C215EA59@sunint.co.za> Hi Anthony, That's a superb machine you have there. Quite a find. I'm just 'down the road' from a naktalk point of view, in Thaba 'Nchu, 80 clicks from Bloemfontein. I have a test report on that machine, or one very close to it, in a (I think) Hi Fi for Pleasure issue, circa 1983. I'll photcopy it and post it to you if you give me you address. Repairs wise, the Nakamichi fundi in Jo'burg is a guy called 'Raymond'. He was trained by Nakamichi and although he now works for Sony, he still works on Naks at home. He has all the tools, test equipment and of course, those sought after calibration tapes. You can get him on his cell, but only after hours, on (082)401-4033. If you have any hassles, give me a buzz on (082)773-6217 or (051)871-4609. Cheers, MARC HUGO Thaba 'Nchu Sun acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za wrote: > Just had the good fortune of getting my hands on an old discarded Nakamichi > TD-1200 Car Cassette/Tuner. > > The overall condition is good and it came with it's amp and a set of > instruction manuals. > > I have just two problems with it that maybe someone can help me with. > The tuner section has a bit of feedback coming from somewhere which is > decreased when the additional box of electrics is grounded. (it tells you > not to do this in the instruction manual). The tone varies when the tuner > search button is pressed or any of the preselect buttons are pressed. > The other problem is the autoreverse on the tape deck which won't play in > one direction or fast forward in that direction. > Apart from these problems, everything else is working great. > > If any one can help or put me in touch with someone that can (I'm in JHB in > South Africa), it would be much appreciated. > > This being my first intro to Nakamichi, I'm now on the look out for a > decent deck for the house. > > Anthony > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > > Tantalum capacitors are excellent for power supply > and bypass applications, but extremely poor for audio. > They cause extremely high distortion. > > When high capacitance in a small space is required > *and* there is a DC voltage to block, low ESR > elecrolytics are good. These are often designated > 'for audio applications'. When there is no DC, non > polarized elecrolytics may be used, or a pair of > elecrolytics, connected back to back with a high > value biasing resistor. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Fri Feb 2 00:02:13 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:02:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors References: <3A6C79F7.753C3E61@concentric.net> Message-ID: <04b001c08ca3$044284c0$7393bccf@sank1> I think the Elna Cerafines are horribly overpriced for a small advantage in performance over the much cheaper Black Gate & Nichicon Muse caps. An advantage that disappears when you add a few hundred pf or more of polystyrene cap in parallel. I wish Nak decks had room to replace all of the signal passing caps with polypropylene film caps. Even the cheapest of these is far better than a Cerafine. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > Thanks Ron. > > Did you ever try Elna Cerafine capacitors ? > [ fine ceramic powder for a dielectric, OFC leads, THD : -120 dB] > I see them really often referenced as the utmost in electrolytic cap. > I just find a source for it. > > In Nak Dragon & CR-7 the elect. cap in audio comes from Nichicon, Muse serie > 'KS'. > How does compare KS Muse & Cerafine ? > > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > > > > > > Tantalum capacitors are excellent for power supply > > and bypass applications, but extremely poor for audio. > > They cause extremely high distortion. > > > > When high capacitance in a small space is required > > *and* there is a DC voltage to block, low ESR > > elecrolytics are good. These are often designated > > 'for audio applications'. When there is no DC, non > > polarized elecrolytics may be used, or a pair of > > elecrolytics, connected back to back with a high > > value biasing resistor. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Feb 2 00:06:18 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:06:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 Message-ID: <3A79EBEA.774A5475@telcel.net.ve> I was wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion about the Nakamichi TA-4 receiver.. I may have the oportunity to get one (hopefully) and would like to know what do you think about this machine. Thanks a lot Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Have a nice evening, -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Test to see whether my mail appears > Thanks > kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The SR series are still pretty damned bullet-proof, and I still consider them the best receivers ever made by anybody, both on sound & reliability. I've almost never had to do anything to one beyond replacing fuses or resoldering a few things. Also, the three models all made about 40-50 percent more continuous RMS power than their ratings, and could do it all day. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: "Naktalk mailinglist" Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 > I was wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion about the Nakamichi > TA-4 receiver.. > I may have the oportunity to get one (hopefully) and would like to know > what do you think about this machine. > Thanks a lot > > Isy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Feb 2 07:46:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:16:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Where are our friends Message-ID: <20010202064600.3D26E1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 09:58:30 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (salim marzuki) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 In-Reply-To: <04ee01c08cdc$438ece20$7393bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010202085830.16033.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Stephen should be more than right in this matter. Just got myself an SR3 recently, although the tuner section differs slightly from SR4, I am still amazed at how wonderful its FM sounds compared to current breed of AV receivers as well as Nak's RE-1 ! Not to mention the punch and clarity compared to much bigger 100W Yamaha 890 - and it's rated at only what ? 50wpc ? (the 3 doesn't use toroid though). If the TA design still follows SR's then it might be worthwhile (baring those mfg defect and your price). The RE-1 is also Taiwan origin, despite its (yawn) so-so FM, is not problematic yet, probably they have settled down in later years. Cheers, Salim SM PS: Another 'surprising' little receiver I discovered is NAD's 705. --- Stephen Sank wrote: > The TA-4, 3 & 2 had Threshold stasis amplifiers, so > they are great sounding > receivers, but not near as good in either sound or > build quality as the > previous SR-4/3/2 stasis receivers. The TA series > was the first year that > Nak had moved that part of production to Taiwan, and > there was a > significantly higher rate of defects & failures, > mostly due to assembly & > soldering shortcomings, but also due to some poor > choices of components. > The SR series are still pretty damned bullet-proof, > and I still consider > them the best receivers ever made by anybody, both > on sound & reliability. > I've almost never had to do anything to one beyond > replacing fuses or > resoldering a few things. Also, the three models > all made about 40-50 > percent more continuous RMS power than their > ratings, and could do it all > day. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:06 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 > > > > I was wondering if anyone can tell me their > opinion about the Nakamichi > > TA-4 receiver.. > > I may have the oportunity to get one (hopefully) > and would like to know > > what do you think about this machine. > > Thanks a lot > > > > Isy > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 2 10:13:55 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:13:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 Message-ID: Hi guys, Slightly off below topic, but it got me thinking. I have been resisting the DVD/Home theather/DTS/Dolby Digital Surround craze for a couple of years now, but it seems the inevitable will happen. I have the impression that Nakamichi produce now such equipment - any comments, impressions, recommendations, comparisons ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: salim marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi TA-4 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) Stephen should be more than right in this matter. Just got myself an SR3 recently, although the tuner section differs slightly from SR4, I am still amazed at how wonderful its FM sounds compared to current breed of AV receivers as well as Nak's RE-1 ! Not to mention the punch and clarity compared to much bigger 100W Yamaha 890 - and it's rated at only what ? 50wpc ? (the 3 doesn't use toroid though). If the TA design still follows SR's then it might be worthwhile (baring those mfg defect and your price). The RE-1 is also Taiwan origin, despite its (yawn) so-so FM, is not problematic yet, probably they have settled down in later years. Cheers, Salim SM PS: Another 'surprising' little receiver I discovered is NAD's 705. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at altavista.net Fri Feb 2 11:56:19 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at altavista.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:56:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Where are our friends References: <20010202064600.3D26E1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002a01c08d06$c7548860$42182c91@windesheim.nl> Hello Kannan, I'am still alive and reading all the Nak stuff . Busy scanning the LX5 service manual at the moment with my new scanner. I've bought also the Canon 1220 and the machine scans very sharp (Wouter also bought this scanner) and soon i will upload the last part of the Dragon Service Manual and the LX5 manual Greetings to all of you Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] Where are our friends > Nice to see Naktalk up and running and many thanks to Wouter in getting the whole thing running among all odds! > Where are our friends > Graham / Blues Man Misha Norman and of course everybody else? > Hope to see every one of you back soon with your mails! > Meanwhile I have seen lot of Dragons 1000ZXL / 700 ZXL going by ebay and audiogon etc. And I am seeing somebody wants 200+ Dollars for 1000ZXL service manual on ebay. > Hope to see more action in 2001 > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Feb 2 13:32:08 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:32:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where are our friends References: <20010202064600.3D26E1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> <002a01c08d06$c7548860$42182c91@windesheim.nl> Message-ID: <001701c08d14$2a61f8e0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Kannan and Norman! I'm enjoing my CR-4 and building new amp :) It's great to know that scanning process going on - will wait for LX-5 manual! Thanks No0rman for all you do! Misha > I'am still alive and reading all the Nak stuff . Busy scanning the LX5 > service manual at the moment with my new scanner. I've bought also the Canon > 1220 and the machine scans very sharp (Wouter also bought this scanner) and > soon i will upload the last part of the Dragon Service Manual and the LX5 > manual > > Greetings to all of you > > Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 2 17:06:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:06:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors References: <3A6C79F7.753C3E61@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3A7ADAF0.C82248F2@concentric.net> Matyas, I am not familiar with the Cerafine. I have used the Nichicon caps several times and was happy with the results. I also used 'high frequency' Panasonic electrolytics (I mail order from Digi Key). I forget the series number. They have a reasonably low ESR and inductance and available in 10% tolerance. Needless to say, Stephen was absolutely right: polypropylene caps are the best for audio. ESR and inductance just about zero, leading to extremely low tan(delta). Size is not an issue when building from scratch (some of the inductance comes from the leads, so it makes sense to make them as short as possible). I can see where size can be a problem in repairs. I would only go to electrolytics when polypropylene caps are absolutely out of the question. Again, I agree with Stephen that shunting electrolytics with a smaller value film cap can make an audible difference. -- Ron Matyas wrote: > > Thanks Ron. > > Did you ever try Elna Cerafine capacitors ? > [ fine ceramic powder for a dielectric, OFC leads, THD : -120 dB] > I see them really often referenced as the utmost in electrolytic cap. > I just find a source for it. > > In Nak Dragon & CR-7 the elect. cap in audio comes from Nichicon, Muse serie > 'KS'. > How does compare KS Muse & Cerafine ? > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > > > > > Tantalum capacitors are excellent for power supply > > and bypass applications, but extremely poor for audio. > > They cause extremely high distortion. > > > > When high capacitance in a small space is required > > *and* there is a DC voltage to block, low ESR > > elecrolytics are good. These are often designated > > 'for audio applications'. When there is no DC, non > > polarized elecrolytics may be used, or a pair of > > elecrolytics, connected back to back with a high > > value biasing resistor. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eknath58 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 3 07:07:25 2001 From: eknath58 at hotmail.com (Eknath Ullikashi) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:07:25 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message-ID: you have passed the test. Eknath >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:45:48 GMT > >Test to see whether my mail appears >Thanks >kannan >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Mon Feb 5 00:07:30 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:07:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] sr-3a Message-ID: HI, Does anyone know if all sr-3's were remote capable? And if so, does anyone have a remote for sale? Thanks! Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Mon Feb 5 05:08:06 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:08:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] sr-3a In-Reply-To: <000801be3528$0c458840$9a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: on 12/31/98 5:42 PM, Salim Marzuki at salimarz at yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Not that I know of. > (at least it doesn't have IR remote sensor, don't know about cable-remote). > > Cheers, > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:07 AM > Subject: [naktalk] sr-3a > > >> HI, Does anyone know if all sr-3's were remote capable? And if so, does >> anyone have a remote for sale? Thanks! Rob >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Thanks Stephen & Salim for info on sr-3. Warm Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Feb 6 23:01:34 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:01:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 Message-ID: Hello :-) Yesterday, despite I love high efficiency speakers, systems, I bought a PA-7, crazy me !!! I have some problems with it. 1- The power transformer emit an VERY disturbing hum noise, (I wasn't listening to it at the shop), especially for my 20 m2 room, I know the windings could with age, be decoupled from the glue, and produce this disagrement. You, Naks experts can certainly tell me if the huge cylindrical shield of the toroidal transformer can be removed to spray the windings with plastic solution. (is a better idea there ?) 2- I don't have yet a pre-amplifier. I have some schematics to build one. Can you tell me the input impedance & sensibility of the PA-7 ? 3- depending to the PA-7 input impedance, is it normal that I didn't have a good sound when I use my 582 as source with its output volume knob ? 4- I measure about -20 mV DC offset at the speaker output when just powered on, and about -6 mV after 8 hours of heating. Is that a normal margin? Many thanks, Matyas who is asking himself about the so-called qualities of pure demoniac amps... _________________ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Feb 6 23:02:53 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:02:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors References: <3A6C79F7.753C3E61@concentric.net> <3A7ADAF0.C82248F2@concentric.net> Message-ID: Stephen, Ron, Many thanks again, your valuable experiences will allows me to save some moneys and have a better sound :-) You remain certainly my observations on op-amps some month ago. I was noticed the evidence of quality gain when the slew rate is faster. Most of you agreed me with that statement. I want to say I was slightly erring about ! I would report a modest comparison between 5 op-amp I done today at a friend's home (1000ZXL buddy).They where listened in one of my 582. (B&W 802 speakers, ReVox B150 amp) The models I choose were widely found in consumer electronics. Namely: 4558 DD (1 V/us) : Bipolar, output amp of the most Nak deck even 1000ZXL 4560 D (4 V/us) : Bipolar, faster 4558, 'wide bandwidth' 5532 an (8 V/us) : Bipolar, THE op-amp that is the most widely used in the Digital audio... TL 072 (13 V/us) : JFET op-amp that is one of the former 2nd generation op-amp. It is the main op-amp in gears such as Dragon, CR-7, 5, RX-505 etc.. OP-2134 (20 V/us) : actual cheap JFET audio op-amp from Burr-Brown. The winners were from the best to worst: OP-2134 (high freq. very expended, transparency, free and articulated whole spectrum but a fancy colour a bit harsh in high mid. and bass that are more discrete that on other models, but well driven ) 4558 DD (Tube like sound, quite good bass, good definition, very pleasant, but a thin veil let you hope better ) 5532 an (short in highs, good sound stage,slightly flat, inflated bass, but really clean) and 2 extremes : a blurry and fat sound for 4560, and a dirty sound (like the addition of white noise) not accurate, aggressive, no punchy, unnatural on voices : it is the 072... The outsiders are of 2 different generations and technologies. The choice to select the best was difficult because you must be absolutely sure of your system. The Burr-Brown is the lowest distortion amp of the test, 0.0008 % I don't know for 4558, but it should be from an other range near to 0.1% I think. make your own conclusion.. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Feb 7 05:32:26 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:02:26 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -Description on Naks.com site Message-ID: <20010207043226.A14591DFFA9@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 7 08:58:48 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:58:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -Description on Naks.com site References: <20010207043226.A14591DFFA9@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3A810038.1450AFCA@xs4all.nl> Thanks Kannan! I will correct that ASAP! Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi Wouter > Naks site description of CR7 shows as " Record head azimuth adjust - auto". > However CR7 does not have auto azimuth function like 680 series where Record head is adjusted against fixed Play head by Azimuth adjusting motor. > In CR7; play head is adjusted automatically against fixed Record head for correctly calibrating recording parameters like bias and level. So Play head adjustment is auto only during calibration. > Hope you can correct that. > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 09:48:05 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:48:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -Description on Naks.com site Message-ID: So you can still adjust play head azimuth during playback manually, right ? I got confused there for a moment. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wouter Heijke Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -Description on Naks.com site Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:58:48 +0100 Thanks Kannan! I will correct that ASAP! Wouter kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Hi Wouter > Naks site description of CR7 shows as " Record head azimuth adjust - auto". > However CR7 does not have auto azimuth function like 680 series where Record head is adjusted against fixed Play head by Azimuth adjusting motor. > In CR7; play head is adjusted automatically against fixed Record head for correctly calibrating recording parameters like bias and level. So Play head adjustment is auto only during calibration. > Hope you can correct that. > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Wed Feb 7 10:08:35 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:08:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 References: Message-ID: <048601c090e5$8dc851c0$7493bccf@sank1> The PA-7 uses a potted torroidal transformer, i.e., it is encapsulated in tar. If you have a definite mechanical hum or buzz of any significant level, I can think of only one rational way to cure it. You must completely remove the transformer from the amp. Then, turn it upside down & put it in a 200-250 degree(F)(~95-115C) oven for maybe 12 hours. I don't know what the exact melting point of tar is, so I am just estimating. If this doesn't cure it, all you can do, short of replacing it, and I don't think it is still available, is to try to isolate it from the chassis with visco-elastic materials & apply sheet damping materials, such as Dynamat, to the transformer case. I don't have the service manual here at home, but I don't think the input impedance is less than 47kohm, and I'm sure it is between 0.5 & 1v sensitivity. The 582 should be able to drive it without problem, so there is something wrong somewhere, I'd say. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 > Hello :-) > > Yesterday, despite I love high efficiency speakers, systems, I bought a > PA-7, crazy me !!! > > I have some problems with it. > > 1- The power transformer emit an VERY disturbing hum noise, (I wasn't > listening to it at the shop), especially for my 20 m2 room, I know the > windings could with age, be decoupled from the > glue, and produce this disagrement. > > You, Naks experts can certainly tell me if the huge cylindrical shield of > the toroidal transformer can be removed to spray the windings with plastic > solution. (is a better idea there ?) > > 2- I don't have yet a pre-amplifier. I have some schematics to build one. > Can you tell me the input impedance & sensibility of the PA-7 ? > > 3- depending to the PA-7 input impedance, is it normal that I didn't have a > good sound when I use my 582 as source with its output volume knob ? > > 4- I measure about -20 mV DC offset at the speaker output when just powered > on, and about -6 mV after 8 hours of heating. Is that a normal margin? > > > Many thanks, Matyas who is asking himself about the so-called qualities of > pure demoniac amps... > _________________ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Feb 7 12:44:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:14:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20010207114438.708D31DFE56@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Wed Feb 7 16:47:38 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:47:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps References: <20010207114438.708D31DFE56@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <04e101c0911d$4c90a1c0$7493bccf@sank1> I haven't yet used the OPA2604 Burr-Brown, as sources are out of stock every time I have thought of ordering them, but I have extensively used Analog Devices OP275 in place of both TL072 & 4558 types in Naks with clear improvement & no negatives. Really like that chip. A Wima would be an improvement on an electrolytic, but not by a hell of a lot. They are among the worst film caps I've heard. I think a Panasonic polyester film is about as good, if not better. You'd still need a polystyrene bypass cap to make it sound decent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:44 AM > Actually Burr Brown OPA 2604 is suggested as good substitute for Fet input > opamps in Audio applications. Somebody here had used it earlierand posted > the info saying it had improved the quality. Since iput impedance of > different areas are important to compare these opamp modifications. > Coming to Cap replacement how about replacing the 1 uF aluminium electroltic > with Film type WIMA caps which are small? These caps are small enough to put > in place in Playback input amps in Dragon / CR7 etc? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > > > >Stephen, Ron, > > > >Many thanks again, your valuable experiences will allows me to save some > >moneys and have a better sound :-) > > > >You remain certainly my observations on op-amps some month ago. > >I was noticed the evidence of quality gain when the slew rate is faster. > >Most of you agreed me with that statement. > >I want to say I was slightly erring about ! > >I would report a modest comparison between 5 op-amp I done today at a > >friend's home > >(1000ZXL buddy).They where listened in one of my 582. (B&W 802 speakers, > >ReVox B150 amp) > > > >The models I choose were widely found in consumer electronics. > >Namely: > > > >4558 DD (1 V/us) : Bipolar, output amp of the most Nak deck even > 1000ZXL > >4560 D (4 V/us) : Bipolar, faster 4558, 'wide bandwidth' > >5532 an (8 V/us) : Bipolar, THE op-amp that is the most widely used > in > >the Digital audio... > >TL 072 (13 V/us) : JFET op-amp that is one of the former 2nd > >generation op-amp. It is the main op-amp in gears such as Dragon, CR-7, 5, > >RX-505 etc.. > > > >OP-2134 (20 V/us) : actual cheap JFET audio op-amp from Burr-Brown. > > > >The winners were from the best to worst: > > > >OP-2134 (high freq. very expended, transparency, free and articulated whole > >spectrum but a fancy colour a bit harsh in high mid. and bass that are more > >discrete that on other models, but well driven ) > >4558 DD (Tube like sound, quite good bass, good definition, very pleasant, > >but a thin veil let you hope better ) > >5532 an (short in highs, good sound stage,slightly flat, inflated bass, but > >really clean) > > > >and 2 extremes : a blurry and fat sound for 4560, and a dirty sound (like > >the addition of white noise) not accurate, aggressive, no punchy, unnatural > >on voices : it is the 072... > > > >The outsiders are of 2 different generations and technologies. > >The choice to select the best was difficult because you must be absolutely > >sure of your system. > >The Burr-Brown is the lowest distortion amp of the test, 0.0008 % > >I don't know for 4558, but it should be from an other range near to 0.1% I > >think. make your own conclusion.. > > > >Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 20:26:37 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:26:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20010207114438.708D31DFE56@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Dear Kannan, Stephen, I know the reputation of the OPA 2604 and I am searching for some. I use to be REALLY pleased since I replace in my Audio Analogue 40 Watt integrated amplifier the op-amp of power stage input (former 5534 single device) by the highest-end of Burr-Brown : OPA 627 !!! A great deal !!! > Since input impedance of > different areas are important to compare these opamp modifications. You're right, but don't you think the circuitry is very simple and cassical for the output section of Nak, it is no critical parameters to look carefully for, isn't it ? Nevertheless, I seen in many JFET amps documentation that the slew rate and distortion spectrum are ever constant, better hold in and linear when the inverting input is used for example. Line amp of Nak decks are non inverting configured. >These caps are small enough to put > in place in Playback input amps in Dragon / CR7 etc? I have some 1 uF / 100 V MKS from Wima. I don't find them easy to fit in place of the originals, cause they have quite spaced short leads. I used them to bypass purposes there and there... I found them dirty, and that's why I hesitate to use them in audio. Apparently it will be many times better that tantalum ! So, I will do it ! What is the voltage rate of the Wima caps you use ?? Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:44 PM > Actually Burr Brown OPA 2604 is suggested as good substitute for Fet input > opamps in Audio applications. Somebody here had used it earlierand posted > the info saying it had improved the quality. Since iput impedance of > different areas are important to compare these opamp modifications. > Coming to Cap replacement how about replacing the 1 uF aluminium electroltic > with Film type WIMA caps which are small? These caps are small enough to put > in place in Playback input amps in Dragon / CR7 etc? > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 20:56:20 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:56:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 References: <048601c090e5$8dc851c0$7493bccf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks Stephen ! > The PA-7 uses a potted torroidal transformer, i.e., it is encapsulated in > tar. If you have a definite mechanical hum or buzz of any significant > level, It is a buzz ! >I can think of only one rational way to cure it. You must completely > remove the transformer from the amp. Then, turn it upside down & put it in > a 200-250 degree(F)(~95-115C) oven for maybe 12 hours. I don't know what > the exact melting point of tar is, so I am just estimating. Yeah, I think the transformer will not be troubled to go that way, since the PA-7 is the most sexy oven I know ;o)) > If this doesn't cure it, all you can do, short of replacing it, and I don't > think it is still available, is to try to isolate it from the chassis with > visco-elastic materials & apply sheet damping materials, such as Dynamat, to > the transformer case. > I don't have the service manual here at home, but I don't think the input > impedance is less than 47kohm, and I'm sure it is between 0.5 & 1v > sensitivity. The 582 should be able to drive it without problem, so there > is something wrong somewhere, I'd say. The wrong matter is perhaps me, and the pot' of 582 that have coloration in the beginning of the stroke. I bought PA-7 because it was a bargain, ~ 400 $. And you cannot resist to a so beautiful designed amp. I used to be more clever in my choices in the past. My 40 W amp is really musical & own a eerie of sound !! for now, under my system configuration (mid end pseudo horn loudspeaker), the PA-7 sound mat, thud. As (m)any high power amp used at low levels ... Matyas. (PS : Kannan, its input stage features the very appreciated 2SK 240 !) > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 > > > > Hello :-) > > > > Yesterday, despite I love high efficiency speakers, systems, I bought a > > PA-7, crazy me !!! > > > > I have some problems with it. > > > > 1- The power transformer emit an VERY disturbing hum noise, (I wasn't > > listening to it at the shop), especially for my 20 m2 room, I know the > > windings could with age, be decoupled from the > > glue, and produce this disagreement. > > > > You, Naks experts can certainly tell me if the huge cylindrical shield of > > the toroidal transformer can be removed to spray the windings with plastic > > solution. (is a better idea there ?) > > > > 2- I don't have yet a pre-amplifier. I have some schematics to build > one. > > Can you tell me the input impedance & sensibility of the PA-7 ? > > > > 3- depending to the PA-7 input impedance, is it normal that I didn't have > a > > good sound when I use my 582 as source with its output volume knob ? > > > > 4- I measure about -20 mV DC offset at the speaker output when just > powered > > on, and about -6 mV after 8 hours of heating. Is that a normal margin? > > > > > > Many thanks, Matyas who is asking himself about the so-called qualities of > > pure demoniac amps... > > _________________ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Feb 7 21:44:12 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:44:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC92A0@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I had a Marantz preamp that had the NJM4558 in it. It was OK but on some classical pieces instruments at a high dB level would smear acroos the sound field. I replaced all the Op Amps in it with OPA2604's and everything is now very focused, each instrument stays in it's position no matter the dB level. I also replaced the decoupling caps with Black Gate with .1uf MIT Polystryrene in parallel. I also replaced the Doides in the power supply with GI851's to lower the noise floor. I ended up with the OPA2604 after experimenting with many OpAmps in my CD player. The AD827 is also good but it ended up being a little too bright. The OPA2604 is very open, clean and has a good depth of field. I'm sold on the OPA2604 and will finally start tacking my Naks and put it in them also. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen_sank at rjknet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:48 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > I haven't yet used the OPA2604 Burr-Brown, as sources are out of stock > every > time I have thought of ordering them, but I have extensively used Analog > Devices OP275 in place of both TL072 & 4558 types in Naks with clear > improvement & no negatives. Really like that chip. > A Wima would be an improvement on an electrolytic, but not by a hell of a > lot. They are among the worst film caps I've heard. I think a Panasonic > polyester film is about as good, if not better. You'd still need a > polystyrene bypass cap to make it sound decent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:44 AM > > > > Actually Burr Brown OPA 2604 is suggested as good substitute for Fet > input > > opamps in Audio applications. Somebody here had used it earlierand > posted > > the info saying it had improved the quality. Since iput impedance of > > different areas are important to compare these opamp modifications. > > Coming to Cap replacement how about replacing the 1 uF aluminium > electroltic > > with Film type WIMA caps which are small? These caps are small enough to > put > > in place in Playback input amps in Dragon / CR7 etc? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matyas > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tantalum capacitors > > > > > > >Stephen, Ron, > > > > > >Many thanks again, your valuable experiences will allows me to save > some > > >moneys and have a better sound :-) > > > > > >You remain certainly my observations on op-amps some month ago. > > >I was noticed the evidence of quality gain when the slew rate is > faster. > > >Most of you agreed me with that statement. > > >I want to say I was slightly erring about ! > > >I would report a modest comparison between 5 op-amp I done today at a > > >friend's home > > >(1000ZXL buddy).They where listened in one of my 582. (B&W 802 > speakers, > > >ReVox B150 amp) > > > > > >The models I choose were widely found in consumer electronics. > > >Namely: > > > > > >4558 DD (1 V/us) : Bipolar, output amp of the most Nak deck even > > 1000ZXL > > >4560 D (4 V/us) : Bipolar, faster 4558, 'wide bandwidth' > > >5532 an (8 V/us) : Bipolar, THE op-amp that is the most widely > used > > in > > >the Digital audio... > > >TL 072 (13 V/us) : JFET op-amp that is one of the former 2nd > > >generation op-amp. It is the main op-amp in gears such as Dragon, CR-7, > 5, > > >RX-505 etc.. > > > > > >OP-2134 (20 V/us) : actual cheap JFET audio op-amp from Burr-Brown. > > > > > >The winners were from the best to worst: > > > > > >OP-2134 (high freq. very expended, transparency, free and articulated > whole > > >spectrum but a fancy colour a bit harsh in high mid. and bass that are > more > > >discrete that on other models, but well driven ) > > >4558 DD (Tube like sound, quite good bass, good definition, very > pleasant, > > >but a thin veil let you hope better ) > > >5532 an (short in highs, good sound stage,slightly flat, inflated bass, > but > > >really clean) > > > > > >and 2 extremes : a blurry and fat sound for 4560, and a dirty sound > (like > > >the addition of white noise) not accurate, aggressive, no punchy, > unnatural > > >on voices : it is the 072... > > > > > >The outsiders are of 2 different generations and technologies. > > >The choice to select the best was difficult because you must be > absolutely > > >sure of your system. > > >The Burr-Brown is the lowest distortion amp of the test, 0.0008 % > > >I don't know for 4558, but it should be from an other range near to > 0.1% > I > > >think. make your own conclusion.. > > > > > >Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 8 06:57:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:27:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 Message-ID: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Thu Feb 8 10:03:46 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:03:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps References: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <006b01c091ae$0c1650e0$7293bccf@sank1> Being in the very low range of the 582 output pot may indeed be responsible for bad sound, relatively speaking. The PA-7 is a great sounding amp, even compared to some of the best tube amps(although not nearly as good as my rebuilt Moscode tube hybrids!), and the 582 does have a very decent line amp, but perhaps not quite up to the task. As for JFETs, spec-wise, the 2SK240 is literally a pair of 2SK170's in one package. The 2SK389 is extremely close in specs to the 2SK240 & I have used them many times interchangeably, with no discernible artifacts. There are some interesting differences in the PB amps among top Naks. The 1000ZXL is the only deck, whose manual I have handy at least, that uses a full differential JFET config(and does have the most complex eq). The Dragon & CR-7 use a single JFET into the opamp, but have the addition of an opamp ripple filter on their B+ supply line(which only feeds the JFET's). The ZX-9 has a single JFET feeding a simple transistor head amp, without the ripple filter. The 700ZXE/ZXL has a Pb amp nearly identical to the ZX-9, except that their is a bipolar transistor in place of the JFET, which is a very curious difference, for which I have no explanation. From a "tweaker's" viewpoint, I think that the very simple & JFET ZX-9 pb amp has the most potential for "sonic purity"(I am a firm believer in going for the simplest signal path.), but I would try adding the Dragon/CR-7 opamp ripple filter to the mix, besides upgrading the components. I have a client considering allowing me to do exactly this to his 700ZXL, so perhaps I will have a chance to prove the theory. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 > Matyas > Thanks for the info. I am looking for SR4 rather than PA7 ( with its 2SK240 inputs). Somehow I do not get to see Nak' older amps in India as Carver' offering. however current series of Nak amps and DVD / Cd players are around. > 582 output is definitely much better than many Cr/ BX series 3 head machines - I suspect their line amps are not as good as 582 ( with its simple discrete circuit). Perhaps we can suspect PA7 input Caps for its quality. Or you can even use without the Pot of 582 as that is the last part of the circuit and can be substituted with another Potentiometer. > Nowadays 2SK 240 is not available anywhere and substitute 2SK389 with a different pin layout in Toshiba catalogue. > Perhaps Stephen can tell us the difference between 1000ZXL( with 2SK 240) and other machines like CR7/ Dragon etc ( with 2SK 170) in play back! Also I suspect 1000ZXL used hand picked play heads and bit elaborate Play/ record equalisation to get its sound. So Matyas experimental play back circuit ( 1000ZXL) on 582 should reveal more insight. > Kannan > > > Thanks Stephen ! > > > > The PA-7 uses a potted torroidal transformer, i.e., it is encapsulated in > > tar. If you have a definite mechanical hum or buzz of any significant > > level, > > It is a buzz ! > > ---- > The wrong matter is perhaps me, and the pot' of 582 that have coloration in > the beginning of the stroke. I bought PA-7 because it was a bargain, ~ 400 > $. > And you cannot resist to a so beautiful designed amp. > I used to be more clever in my choices in the past. My 40 W amp is really > musical & own a eerie of sound !! for now, under my system configuration > (mid end pseudo horn loudspeaker), the PA-7 sound mat, thud. As (m)any high > power amp used at low levels ... > > Matyas. > > (PS : Kannan, its input stage features the very appreciated 2SK 240 !) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Feb 8 15:12:31 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:12:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps References: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> <006b01c091ae$0c1650e0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <004301c091d9$2ea267e0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Stephen, How about upgrading Cr-4? Any comments? RX-505 question - how good this beast is, especialy comparing to LX-5 and CR-4? Thanks! Misha > There are some interesting differences in the PB amps among top Naks. The ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Thu Feb 8 17:14:56 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:14:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps References: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> <006b01c091ae$0c1650e0$7293bccf@sank1> <004301c091d9$2ea267e0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <00af01c091ea$4754f9e0$7293bccf@sank1> Happen to have the CR-4A manual handy as well. Hadn't really looked at it's Pb amp before. Much to my surprise, it has a discrete pb amp that is very near to the ZX-9's! Uses a 2SK371, which is virtually identical to the 2SK170. However, it is in my 1986 FET book(Japanese) but not in my 1988 book, so it appears that this FET was discontinued almost immediately after Nak decided to use it! Whereas the older 2SK170 is still current. The CR-4 uses the CX20188 dolby IC, though, which I don't personally feel is quite as good as those used in the CR-7's TEA0652 or the LA2730's in the older decks. But, I have never actually done a comparison, so I am possibly full of crap about that. I've just always felt somehow that the CX20187 was the best Sony dolby chip made. The RX-505 is essentially a flipping, upside-down LX-5, with somewhat updated electronics(but inferior meters!), so definitely a wonderful deck. Not sure the CR-4 is better, but it is certainly close. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "MVM" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps > Hi Stephen, > > How about upgrading Cr-4? Any comments? > > RX-505 question - how good this beast is, especialy comparing to LX-5 and > CR-4? > > Thanks! > Misha > > > There are some interesting differences in the PB amps among top Naks. The > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nilseth at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 18:17:30 2001 From: nilseth at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?nilesh=20seth?=) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:17:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 In-Reply-To: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20010208171730.14226.qmail@web6202.mail.yahoo.com> Mr.kannan, I wanna buy a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1.I saw you many times on Naks.com Plz help me buy this. Tried Naks.com for almost last one month..but in vain...plz help me. Thanks in advance! Nilesh Seth --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Matyas > Thanks for the info. I am looking for SR4 rather > than PA7 ( with its 2SK240 inputs). Somehow I do not > get to see Nak' older amps in India as Carver' > offering. however current series of Nak amps and DVD > / Cd players are around. > 582 output is definitely much better than many Cr/ > BX series 3 head machines - I suspect their line > amps are not as good as 582 ( with its simple > discrete circuit). Perhaps we can suspect PA7 input > Caps for its quality. Or you can even use without > the Pot of 582 as that is the last part of the > circuit and can be substituted with another > Potentiometer. > Nowadays 2SK 240 is not available anywhere and > substitute 2SK389 with a different pin layout in > Toshiba catalogue. > Perhaps Stephen can tell us the difference between > 1000ZXL( with 2SK 240) and other machines like CR7/ > Dragon etc ( with 2SK 170) in play back! Also I > suspect 1000ZXL used hand picked play heads and bit > elaborate Play/ record equalisation to get its > sound. So Matyas experimental play back circuit ( > 1000ZXL) on 582 should reveal more insight. > Kannan > > > Thanks Stephen ! > > > > The PA-7 uses a potted torroidal transformer, > i.e., it is encapsulated in > > tar. If you have a definite mechanical hum or > buzz of any significant > > level, > > It is a buzz ! > > ---- > The wrong matter is perhaps me, and the pot' of 582 > that have coloration in > the beginning of the stroke. I bought PA-7 because > it was a bargain, ~ 400 > $. > And you cannot resist to a so beautiful designed > amp. > I used to be more clever in my choices in the past. > My 40 W amp is really > musical & own a eerie of sound !! for now, under my > system configuration > (mid end pseudo horn loudspeaker), the PA-7 sound > mat, thud. As (m)any high > power amp used at low levels ... > > Matyas. > > (PS : Kannan, its input stage features the very > appreciated 2SK 240 !) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Feb 8 20:50:57 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:50:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps References: <20010208055734.44BEA1DFF55@webmail.vsnl.com> <006b01c091ae$0c1650e0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: Kannan, Stephen I tried my 680ZX line amp for the attenuation job, (I dont have yet find time to throw out the tantalum from Dragon) with the output pot in the 6 range, input pot at 4. It was better, I listened to my CD player through and by this way(sound from 680), have done a compare with the 40 WPCs int. amp(which needed to have set the volume near to max). No way, at low volume, regarding to the PA-7 power, it gave no subtleties to me. It beat machinally.(Kannnan I listen to tabla's with, all the play of the musician is simplified on a same 'dynamic' plan) Its medium is warm and dry. High harmonics are shorts. bass very very well driven. I think this amp is not for me. I keep it some times before I return it to the shop, demanding on guarentee, for the buzz trouble. Like that I will try to listen to it with systems from my friends, Leedh or B&W 802. 'Sure of Isodynamic speakers will be pleased to live with. ___ Stephen, for pb amps concern, I appreciate your info ! I share your views on short ways signal, and for simple circuitry. I hope your mod on your client 700ZXL will be improving. As to prove the theory, let us know the differences even if you point out weakness. Very cool for your client ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: PA-7 + JFET's & Pb amps > Being in the very low range of the 582 output pot may indeed be responsible > for bad sound, relatively speaking. The PA-7 is a great sounding amp, even > compared to some of the best tube amps(although not nearly as good as my > rebuilt Moscode tube hybrids!), and the 582 does have a very decent line > amp, but perhaps not quite up to the task. > As for JFETs, spec-wise, the 2SK240 is literally a pair of 2SK170's in one > package. The 2SK389 is extremely close in specs to the 2SK240 & I have used > them many times interchangeably, with no discernible artifacts. > There are some interesting differences in the PB amps among top Naks. The > 1000ZXL is the only deck, whose manual I have handy at least, that uses a > full differential JFET config(and does have the most complex eq). The > Dragon & CR-7 use a single JFET into the opamp, but have the addition of an > opamp ripple filter on their B+ supply line(which only feeds the JFET's). > The ZX-9 has a single JFET feeding a simple transistor head amp, without the > ripple filter. The 700ZXE/ZXL has a Pb amp nearly identical to the ZX-9, > except that their is a bipolar transistor in place of the JFET, which is a > very curious difference, for which I have no explanation. From a > "tweaker's" viewpoint, I think that the very simple & JFET ZX-9 pb amp has > the most potential for "sonic purity"(I am a firm believer in going for the > simplest signal path.), but I would try adding the Dragon/CR-7 opamp ripple > filter to the mix, besides upgrading the components. I have a client > considering allowing me to do exactly this to his 700ZXL, so perhaps I will > have a chance to prove the theory. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vinodk at iname.com Fri Feb 9 00:25:39 2001 From: vinodk at iname.com (vinodk at iname.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:25:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen Message-ID: <0102081825391G.02669@weba6.iname.net> I just received my serviced Dragon from Stephen. I'm speechless. Wow... what a difference in output... I could hear lot more details in every song. My sincere thanks to you stephen for doing an excellent job. Vinod ---- you wrote: > I can second that and recommend anybody that needs professional service on a > Nakamichi product to contact him. He does excellent work but doesn't charge > an arm and leg for it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Public thanks to Stephen > > > > > > Stephen Sank doesn't need additional recommendations > > anymore, he already enjoys an excellent reputation. > > Still, I can't help but post another one. > > > > I own an old Toshiba SV-F990 VCR. This model is the > > Nakamichi of VCRs. It ran flawlessly for almost 10 > > years, then developed PB noise. I delivered it to > > 'Stereo Components Service', which is a 'Toshiba > > Key Service Center' in Boston. They diagnosed 3 > > bad ICs, that they wanted $100 for (plus $90 for > > labor). I looked at the schematic -- there was no > > way these ICs could be causing the problem. > > Besides, they cost about $25, not $100. Those > > Toshiba pillars of honesty charged $25 for trying > > to rip me off. > > > > So, I took the VCR back home and discovered they > > damaged the mechanism and the VCR was now destroying > > cassettes. Meaning, not only were they dishonest, > > but also totally incompetent. > > > > I then delivered the VCR to 'Tops Electronics > > Service' in Haverhill, MA -- another Toshiba 'Key > > Service Center'. Turned out the original fault was > > a bad $4.80 capacitor. However, they couldn't repair > > the mechanism broken by the previous Toshiba tech, > > claiming that required parts were no longer > > available. Their final conclusion: trash this $2000 > > VCR. For this advice, they charged another $25. > > > > Enter Stephen... I sent him email, asking whether > > he works on VCRs. Stephen replied that indeed he > > does, he knows my SV-F990 well and even has the > > service manual for it. I shipped the VCR to him. > > > > Stehpen located the damage inflicted by the Toshiba > > tech and repaired it (no unavailable parts were > > needed). He replaced the (readily available) pinch > > roller, serviced the mechanism and > > adjusted/calibrated the machine. I got the VCR > > back, working absolutely beautifully. After the > > trials and tribulations I had gone through with > > the Toshiba @#$%! people, this was nothing short > > of a miracle... > > > > I also own a Nakamichi CR-7a, that blew its > > capstan motor. I repaired the motor, but do not > > have a reference cassette, so wasn't sure about > > the speed accuracy. After the repair, the motor > > was still drawing excessive current and I intended > > to eventually replace it with a new one. > > > > I shipped my Nakamichi CR-7a to Stephen, asking > > for complete alignment/calibration. While working > > on it, Stephen felt that friction in the take-up > > capstan shaft was higher than usual, so he pulled > > it out and re-lubricated. This took care of the > > mysterious current draw (and saved me $150 for a > > new motor). While servicing the deck, I had turned > > the capstan by hand myself, and to me, it seemed > > to revolve quite freely. I suspect very few techs > > would have noticed this extra friction. > > > > When I got my CR-7a back, it sounded better > > (seriously better) than it ever did before. By > > now, I expected nothing less from Stephen and > > wasn't even surprised... > > > > These were two difficult problems with two pieces > > of fairly complex, expensive and exacting gear. > > Stephen tackled both with remarkable success. I > > can wholeheartedly recommend him for any service > > work on high end equipment. I want to publicly > > thank him for two jobs, superbly done. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Feb 9 04:39:53 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:09:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] PA7 Message-ID: <20010209033953.ADC641DFEA4@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jtsmall at onramp.net Fri Feb 9 06:20:34 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:20:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks Message-ID: I have a BX-300 and was interested in Nak's latest offerings. The features on the current three head unit, DR-10, appears to be the same as the BX-300. I wonder why Nak choose not to add Dolby S and HX? Thanks. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From a_chopra7 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 9 07:22:17 2001 From: a_chopra7 at hotmail.com (Amit Chopra) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 06:22:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks Message-ID: John I have just purchased a DR10 and am quite satisfied - you don't really need a Dolby S or a HX Pro - the sound quality is marvellous (tho cannot compare this with any older Nak as this is my first Nak purchase) - just watch out for the price - there is a differential of almost USD 500 in retail price across the globe (from USD 455 in Dubai to USD 950 in Singapore) ! Amit >From: John Small >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:20:34 -0600 > >I have a BX-300 and was interested in Nak's latest offerings. The features >on >the current three head unit, DR-10, appears to be the same as the BX-300. >I >wonder why Nak choose not to add Dolby S and HX? > >Thanks. > >-jts >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Fri Feb 9 07:51:49 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:51:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: Message-ID: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> I would very much recommend that you keep your BX-300, rather than replace it with a DR-10. While superficially similar, the DR-10 lacks the BX300's direct drive capstan motor system, pitch control, and, at least in my opinion, has inferior electronics to some degree. It would be a much wiser investment, in terms of both performance & long term reliability, to give the BX-300 an overhaul, and update it's reel drive mechanism to the reliable "gear drive" if it has not yet been done. Properly serviced, even a very well used BX300 will out-live a brand new DR-10. Not to mention sound better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks > I have a BX-300 and was interested in Nak's latest offerings. The features on > the current three head unit, DR-10, appears to be the same as the BX-300. I > wonder why Nak choose not to add Dolby S and HX? > > Thanks. > > -jts > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 9 14:48:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:48:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <20010209033953.ADC641DFEA4@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <005c01c0929e$f9867300$4c021fac@brianm> The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind of of rip off is that? Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] PA7 > > Check this item on ebay - I have a feeling he might have compiled Nak server pages? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > Kannan > > ---------------- > Kannan, Stephen > I tried my 680ZX line amp for the attenuation job, (I dont have yet find > time to throw out the tantalum from Dragon) with the output pot in the 6 > range, input pot at 4. It was better, I listened to my CD player through and > by this way(sound from 680), have done a compare with the 40 WPCs int. > amp(which needed to have set the volume near to max). > > No way, at low volume, regarding to the PA-7 power, it gave no subtleties to > me. It beat machinally.(Kannnan I listen to tabla's with, all the play of > the musician is simplified on a same 'dynamic' plan) Its medium is warm and > dry. High harmonics are shorts. bass very very well driven. I think this amp > is not for me. I keep it some times before I return it to the shop, > demanding on guarentee, for the buzz trouble. Like that I will try to listen > to it with systems from my friends, Leedh or B&W 802. > 'Sure of Isodynamic speakers will be pleased to live with. > > ___ > > Stephen, for pb amps concern, I appreciate your info ! > I share your views on short ways signal, and for simple circuitry. > I hope your mod on your client 700ZXL will be improving. > As to prove the theory, let us know the differences even if you point out > weakness. > Very cool for your client ! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From JaqDRipper at aol.com Fri Feb 9 17:52:24 2001 From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:52:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom Message-ID: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind of of rip off is that? >> I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - JFK, and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. Thanks, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 9 18:25:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:25:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> Message-ID: <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind of of > > rip off is that? > > >> > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - JFK, > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > Thanks, > > Rob > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 9 18:27:24 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:27:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> Message-ID: <010a01c092bd$93231cc0$4c021fac@brianm> BTW, after reviewing it again,, I realized it would be coming from Germany, I would imagine this is the reason for $8 shipping. Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind of of > > rip off is that? > > >> > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - JFK, > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > Thanks, > > Rob > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 9 18:58:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:58:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000901c092c1$ed16ed20$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> We should buy it and burn a copy for each naktalk member. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI > DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > sinners, Christ died for us. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind of > of > > > > rip off is that? > > > > >> > > > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - JFK, > > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rob > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 9 20:22:21 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:22:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> <000901c092c1$ed16ed20$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <015101c092cd$a0f47460$4c021fac@brianm> It would be interesting, to bad they didn't display some examples, other than the pics of the decks. Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > We should buy it and burn a copy for each naktalk member. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI > > DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > > sinners, Christ died for us. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind > of > > of > > > > > > rip off is that? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - > JFK, > > > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Feb 9 21:59:44 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:59:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> <000901c092c1$ed16ed20$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <015101c092cd$a0f47460$4c021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3A845A40.E6B66010@xs4all.nl> And these pictures were ripped from the site as always :-) I hope the 'documentation' isn't also... Wouter Brian Miller wrote: > It would be interesting, to bad they didn't display some examples, other > than the pics of the decks. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > sinners, Christ died for us. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > We should buy it and burn a copy for each naktalk member. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > > I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI > > > DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > > > sinners, Christ died for us. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > > > > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What > kind > > of > > > of > > > > > > > > rip off is that? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - > > JFK, > > > > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Fri Feb 9 22:07:29 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:07:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 06:22:17 -0000, "Amit Chopra" wrote: >I have just purchased a DR10 and am quite satisfied - you don't really need >a Dolby S or a HX Pro - the sound quality is marvellous On that score, using Dolby C and metal cassette I cannot reliably tell the source CD (rock) and the tape copy apart. Still, I would think S and HX (esp) would allow that sort of performance with Type II tape. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Fri Feb 9 22:11:27 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:11:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:51:49 -0700, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >It would be a much wiser >investment, in terms of both performance & long term reliability, to give >the BX-300 an overhaul, and update it's reel drive mechanism to the reliable >"gear drive" if it has not yet been done. Can you tell me more about this update? Yesterday in another msg was the first I knew of it. MD and now inexpensive cd-rw decks have rendered the cassette to third tier but I'd like to hang onto it ... mostly I guess for sentimental reasons. I never really much like following with the medium. Indexing is non-existent and editing was always a chore. But the sound from a Nak is very very good even by today's CD standards. Thanks. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From F040687 at aol.com Fri Feb 9 22:15:26 2001 From: F040687 at aol.com (F040687 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:15:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Model 600 Message-ID: <22.11b4ecb2.27b5b7ee@aol.com> Anybody got any opinions on the model 600 wedge cassette deck? Thanks R.W.F. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Fri Feb 9 23:12:28 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:12:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <8pq88t47jnt0m0ivci0k9qc245l4n4jbbu@4ax.com> On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:11:27 -0600, John Small wrote: > I never really much like following with the medium. Meant to say: I never really much liked working with cassettes. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 9 23:36:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:36:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> <000901c092c1$ed16ed20$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <3A8470E2.436AA71@concentric.net> What does he mean by 'documentation'? Ads? Reviews? Owner Manuals? Service Manuals? If the latter, I would certainly be interested in getting a copy. As a matter of fact, I would volunteer to make copies for all interested parties (assuming a reasonable number of requests). -- Ron "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > We should buy it and burn a copy for each naktalk member. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI > > DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > > sinners, Christ died for us. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind > of > > of > > > > > > rip off is that? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - > JFK, > > > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 9 23:48:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:48:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: Message-ID: <3A8473BA.24DDF33A@concentric.net> John Small wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 06:22:17 -0000, "Amit Chopra" wrote: > > >I have just purchased a DR10 and am quite satisfied - you don't really need > >a Dolby S or a HX Pro - the sound quality is marvellous > > On that score, using Dolby C and metal cassette I cannot reliably tell the > source CD (rock) and the tape copy apart. Still, I would think S and HX (esp) > would allow that sort of performance with Type II tape. Not to take the wind out of your sails, but... most of the time it's next to impossible to tell the difference between source CD and cassette, with my CR7a on type II cassettes with Dolby B (flicking the source/tape SW produces no audible change, except for the slight timing glitch). -- Ron > > -jts > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Fri Feb 9 23:58:04 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:58:04 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom In-Reply-To: <3A845A40.E6B66010@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On 09-Feb-01 Wouter Heijke wrote: > And these pictures were ripped from the site as always :-) > I hope the 'documentation' isn't also... Hi Wouter and naktalkers! He claims to have *all* models. with 50MB pdf files for one manual I don't really believe that. Icouldn't be from naks.com since we are still at scanni ng most of the service manuals. If it's indeed just a copy of the ftp.naks.com www.naks.com that's quite a ripp off. For buyers as well as Wouter who did all the work of collecting. Pity one can't make comments on eBay.... But at least he doesn't get a hell lot of money right now ($6.50) or something. I it was inded what he claims a complete set of manuals for *all* models that would be quite an offer on the other hand. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 09-Feb-01, 23:53:37 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Feb 10 00:18:34 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:18:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Model 600 References: <22.11b4ecb2.27b5b7ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <01ea01c092ee$a63162a0$0100007f@localhost> Hi, Simply - I love this deck! Misha > Anybody got any opinions on the model 600 wedge cassette deck? > > Thanks > > R.W.F. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Sat Feb 10 06:10:21 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:10:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Model 600 References: <22.11b4ecb2.27b5b7ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A84CD39.8A325A1@sprintmail.com> I have had my 600 for about 12 years now (bought it used) and think it is great. It is part of my video editing system and is used for recording voice-over narrations. Selecting the right takes involves a lot of rewinding and cueing. The deck seams like it will last forever. Vern Hanson (aka: Video Vern) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Sat Feb 10 06:53:40 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:53:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> The reference to "gear upgrade" regards the very well known reel drive rubber idler problem, whose corrective action is widely known as the "gear upgrade". Due to a very high failure rate of the feeble rubber-tire reel drive mechanism(manifested by sluggish FF/REW &/or stopping during play/rec), a new mech was designed, replacing the rubber system with a gear-driven mech, requiring replacement of the complete reel motor assembly, both reel tables & some small hardware. Decks with the gear upgrade, and any CR-series, MR-series or RX202 decks produced after May, 1988 are just about bullet-proof reliable due to this change, as are decks which have had the upgrade done later. Including complete maintenance & alignment/calibration(to within 0.1 percent of spec), I charge $175 for the procedure. As "modification work", the deck will carry a one year warranty from me. Please feel free to call any afternoon or evening if you would like to discuss further. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette decks > On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:51:49 -0700, "Stephen Sank" > wrote: > > >It would be a much wiser > >investment, in terms of both performance & long term reliability, to give > >the BX-300 an overhaul, and update it's reel drive mechanism to the reliable > >"gear drive" if it has not yet been done. > > Can you tell me more about this update? Yesterday in another msg was the first > I knew of it. MD and now inexpensive cd-rw decks have rendered the cassette to > third tier but I'd like to hang onto it ... mostly I guess for sentimental > reasons. I never really much like following with the medium. Indexing is > non-existent and editing was always a chore. But the sound from a Nak is very > very good even by today's CD standards. > > Thanks. > > -jts > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sat Feb 10 08:56:08 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:56:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:53:40 -0700, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >a new mech was designed, replacing the rubber system Thanks ... I might take you up on that eventually. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Feb 10 12:55:17 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:55:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon SerialNumbers Message-ID: <3A852C25.32CEF2@chello.at> Hello guys! Is there any list of serialnumbers for the Dragon TapeDeck which I can check for the Dragon's production date? Thanxs Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Feb 10 22:42:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:42:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon SerialNumbers References: <3A852C25.32CEF2@chello.at> Message-ID: <3A85B5BC.5BB88D53@concentric.net> Wolfgang Smetanig wrote: > > Hello guys! > > Is there any list of serialnumbers for the Dragon TapeDeck which I can > check for the Dragon's production date? > According to Nakamichi USA, the answer is no. However, there is a tiny circular sticker on the rear panel, stating the year and quarter of manufacture. -- Ron > Thanxs > > Wolfgang > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Feb 10 23:43:58 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:43:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon SerialNumbers References: <3A852C25.32CEF2@chello.at> <3A85B5BC.5BB88D53@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3A85C42E.2E001234@chello.at> Thanks Ron, but I have two Dragon´s that don´t have a sticker on it! So I thought .... Wolfgang > According to Nakamichi USA, the answer is no. > However, there is a tiny circular sticker on > the rear panel, stating the year and quarter > of manufacture. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 11 11:39:15 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:39:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon SerialNumbers References: <3A852C25.32CEF2@chello.at> <3A85B5BC.5BB88D53@concentric.net> <3A85C42E.2E001234@chello.at> Message-ID: <3A866BD3.F0B72639@xs4all.nl> These stickers i have only seen on US-Naks. Wouter Wolfgang Smetanig wrote: > Thanks Ron, but I have two Dragon´s that don´t have a sticker on it! > So I thought .... > > Wolfgang > > > According to Nakamichi USA, the answer is no. > > However, there is a tiny circular sticker on > > the rear panel, stating the year and quarter > > of manufacture. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Feb 11 22:15:32 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:15:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom References: <5c.6ffcf03.27b57a48@aol.com> <010201c092bd$4af33160$4c021fac@brianm> <000901c092c1$ed16ed20$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3A8470E2.436AA71@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3A8700F4.715B408E@concentric.net> Well, I got an answer to my question. The seller wrote as follows. It's $11 by now and personally, I am not that interested. However, my offer to make copies for anyone that has bought it, stands... ------------------------------------------------ Hi Ron, The CD includes pictures and reports of ALL decks produced by Nakamichi and ALL accessories, production lists etc. Sorry, but no manuals. Also included are reports of Nak`s main competitors BIC, EUMIG, TANDBERG etc. All models are represented by more than 130 pictures with many detail views, also the Nakamichi technology is showed and explained. regards Markus ---------------------------------------------- Ron wrote: > > What does he mean by 'documentation'? Ads? Reviews? > Owner Manuals? Service Manuals? If the latter, I would > certainly be interested in getting a copy. > > As a matter of fact, I would volunteer to make copies > for all interested parties (assuming a reasonable number > of requests). > > -- Ron > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > We should buy it and burn a copy for each naktalk member. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > I am referring to the message someone listed regarding: NAKAMICHI > > > DOCUMENTATION ON CD-ROM > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212500745 > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > > > sinners, Christ died for us. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: eBay CD Rom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/9/01 5:52:06 AM, brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > > > > > << The CD sounds interesting, BUT, $8 for shipping!!!!!!!!!! What kind > > of > > > of > > > > > > > > rip off is that? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what item you are referring to. I am selling two DVD's - > > JFK, > > > > and Dr. Strangelove. Each should only cost roughly $4.00 to ship. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Mon Feb 12 21:53:53 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:53:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Manual Server? Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC92BD@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Was wondering if anyone can tell me if the server is down for the Nak manuals. The link I have has been giving me errors. I just got a used CR-7A and would like to get owners and service manuals for it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Kurtis ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jdporter at min.net Mon Feb 12 22:26:47 2001 From: jdporter at min.net (John Porter) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:26:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A on the blink Message-ID: <20010212162646.C20969@min.net> ...literally. When I power it up, it must run some kind of self-test, and decide it's unfit for service; because it just blinks various button LEDs at me, and won't play. Does anyone have any idea why, and what to do? (I don't have the manual.) Thanks very much in advance, -- John Porter Ann wenno haddum billizac... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen_sank at rjknet.net Mon Feb 12 23:56:42 2001 From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:56:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A on the blink References: <20010212162646.C20969@min.net> Message-ID: <056701c09547$115d07a0$7293bccf@sank1> You mode control motor is not running. This is the motor that has a worm gear mounted on it that drives the cam that lifts the head block. The motor will need to be either overhauled or replaced. If you give it a nudge right after turning it on & it starts functioning, this confirms the diagnosis. It may actually work for a good while after doing this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Porter" To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A on the blink > ..literally. When I power it up, it must run some kind of > self-test, and decide it's unfit for service; because it > just blinks various button LEDs at me, and won't play. > > Does anyone have any idea why, and what to do? > > (I don't have the manual.) > > Thanks very much in advance, > > -- > John Porter > > Ann wenno haddum billizac... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Feb 13 05:09:28 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:39:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A on the blink Message-ID: <20010213040928.3B2531DFBC4@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jdporter at min.net Tue Feb 13 16:06:14 2001 From: jdporter at min.net (John Porter) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:06:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A on the blink In-Reply-To: <056701c09547$115d07a0$7293bccf@sank1>; from stephen_sank@rjknet.net on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 03:56:42PM -0700 References: <20010212162646.C20969@min.net> <056701c09547$115d07a0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010213100614.B16008@min.net> > You mode control motor is not running. This is the motor that has a worm > gear mounted on it that drives the cam that lifts the head block. The motor > will need to be either overhauled or replaced. If you give it a nudge right > after turning it on & it starts functioning, this confirms the diagnosis. Thanks, man! I will check and see if this is the case. -- John Porter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Feb 13 20:19:58 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:19:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pictures Message-ID: Is it disturbing for you, Nak fellow, and for Naktalk majordomo system to receive pictures (not so big) via the mailing list ? (excepting the fact your pics risk to finish on e-Bay burned in CD by some rip-off) Thank you Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 14 01:00:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:00:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pictures References: Message-ID: <3A89CA89.99C0A454@concentric.net> If possible, I think it would be much better to post the pictures on the server and notify people through the email list. My connection is very slow. Even a small graphic forces me to sit and wait, whether I will end up wanting the final picture or not. There is no way to skip a message -- I *must* wait. -- Ron Matyas wrote: > > Is it disturbing for you, Nak fellow, and for Naktalk majordomo system to > receive pictures (not so big) via the mailing list ? > > (excepting the fact your pics risk to finish on e-Bay burned in CD by some > rip-off) > > Thank you > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 15 09:54:17 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:54:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Message-ID: <3A8B9938.35F45695@xs4all.nl> Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has this status these days? I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint condition it is working just fine! I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold they were already quite expensive, but these days.... So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Feb 15 12:09:51 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:09:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <3A8B9938.35F45695@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A8BB8FF.4BC2372D@sunint.co.za> Hi Wouter, I think, and this is just an opinion, my Nakamichi Holy Grail is getting a magnificent piece of Nak history in the origInal new condition. Sure,this would be very rare, but miracles happen. An aquantance of mine (Dick Whittaker in Pietermaritzburg) just yesterday, was fortunate enough to buy a barely used Nakamichi 582 from a gentleman who had kept it in a warehouse for many years amongst many other peices of hi-fi hardware. Dick also has had a Nak 682ZX from new (or I should say, since birth). This cassette deck, the same model that was being sold by Ed Noyes the other day, was in it's original box, tightly wrapped in polythene and in the original polystyrene shock-proof wedging. Apparently, the unit is totally blemish free, spotlessly clean, practically glitters!!! and get this...it still 'smells' new! Now, what do you think this splendid machine changed hands for? R750.00 which is about US100.00. I know there are 1000zxl LTDs out there and some were limited editions (was one the ZX9 ?). But for me, an experience as above is like a trip back in time. Go well, MARC Wouter Heijke wrote: > Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 > > The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has > this status these days? > I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who > was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint > condition it is working just fine! > > I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold > they were already quite expensive, but these days.... > So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 13:59:58 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:59:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <3A8B9938.35F45695@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I'm absolutely shocked that thing is going for $450. My goodness, isn't that excessive?????? Alex > Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 > > The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has > this status these days? > I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who > was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint > condition it is working just fine! > > I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold > they were already quite expensive, but these days.... > So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 15 14:05:11 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:05:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: Message-ID: <3A8BD407.AEDD248A@xs4all.nl> It is! But gives you a nice feeling if you have one :-) That wufwufl guy really has too much money to spend. I've seen him outbid friends of me on service manuals, remotes, decks etc! Wouter Alex Cagann wrote: > I'm absolutely shocked that thing is going for $450. My goodness, isn't > that excessive?????? > > Alex > > > Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 > > > > The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has > > this status these days? > > I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who > > was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint > > condition it is working just fine! > > > > I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold > > they were already quite expensive, but these days.... > > So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 14:33:42 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:33:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <3A8BD407.AEDD248A@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: It probably wouldn't be very hard to make your own remote control unit for these Nak decks. Anyone tried that yet? Yeah, it may be a sin to have a remote in a radio shack project box for your Nak, but the $450 alternative....... By the way, I saw a Dragon go for $500 last week. I think they should at least still fetch a grand. Also, I know a couple of people who bought Dragon's at pawn shops for $50!!!!!! Alex > It is! > But gives you a nice feeling if you have one :-) > > That wufwufl guy really has too much money to spend. I've seen > him outbid friends of me > on service manuals, remotes, decks etc! > > Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 15 15:05:47 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:05:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <3A8B9938.35F45695@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004001c09758$679afa60$a2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> $450!!! holy moly not holy grail :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 > > The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has > this status these days? > I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who > was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint > condition it is working just fine! > > I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold > they were already quite expensive, but these days.... > So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Thu Feb 15 15:28:19 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:28:19 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15-Feb-01 Alex Cagann wrote: > It probably wouldn't be very hard to make your own remote control unit for > these Nak decks. Anyone tried that yet? Hi, I've a RX505 for years now and soon after buying tried to figure out how the remotes are working. From measuring the voltage between the pins and ground I could tell the "ground pin" and then tried to connect pins to ground. I used a 10kOhm resistor IIRC. This switched various funktions of the deck and a cable remote would have been fairly easy to do. Nowadays one could simply use one of these 10-channel IR remotes connected to the remote-connector of the Nak. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 15-Feb-01, 15:23:45 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 03:55:26 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:55:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] test References: Message-ID: <000f01c096fa$c24eabe0$0b1a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Wouter, Is it true that a message can't get through if sent from different address ? Salim SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 03:57:27 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:57:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps Message-ID: <001601c096fb$09de5fa0$0b1a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, I posted below message but didn't see it on the list. After looking at the op amps datasheet cross ref, the NEC C4082 is the equivalent of TL072 jfet and LM833N is equivalent to 5532 standard op amps. Maybe that kind of explains my not-so-golden ears. When I switched a 2043 op amp (standard) for this OP275, the difference was more pronounced. Is it more because of higher slew rate ? Looking more closely at the details, seems like one of differences between those ICs is max input bias current where 072 can take only 200 pA (pico?) and a 2043 can take 1,000,000 pA ! Should I worry about this bias current ? For novices like me within the group, here's the link for cross ref of some (old) op amps as well as JRC's datasheets: http://www.njr.co.jp/e05/ae.html Matyas, do you use sockets for your experiment ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > Hi all, > > I still don't have the guts to tinker with the op amp on my Nak yet, instead > I replaced NEC C4082 from akai GX7 with OP275 (this little deck > interestingly uses 2SK170). Too bad a-b is impossible but I think I hear > better definition ... what a rusty ear ! > > One question : BK preamp uses NatSemi LM833 for its phono, preamp and phones > amp. Is this opamp a good contender for Nak TL072 upgrade ? Anybody tried > this one ? Specs is unimpressive compared to OP275 ... but as Matyas said, > ol' 4558 still comes up a strong second on his Nak. > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:44 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > I had a Marantz preamp that had the NJM4558 in it. It was OK but on some > > classical pieces instruments at a high dB level would smear acroos the > sound > > field. I replaced all the Op Amps in it with OPA2604's and everything is > > now very focused, each instrument stays in it's position no matter the dB > > level. I also replaced the decoupling caps with Black Gate with .1uf MIT > > Polystryrene in parallel. I also replaced the Doides in the power supply > > with GI851's to lower the noise floor. > > > > I ended up with the OPA2604 after experimenting with many OpAmps in my CD > > player. The AD827 is also good but it ended up being a little too bright. > > The OPA2604 is very open, clean and has a good depth of field. > > > > I'm sold on the OPA2604 and will finally start tacking my Naks and put it > in > > them also. > > > > Kurtis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen_sank at rjknet.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:48 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > > > I haven't yet used the OPA2604 Burr-Brown, as sources are out of stock > > > every > > > time I have thought of ordering them, but I have extensively used Analog > > > Devices OP275 in place of both TL072 & 4558 types in Naks with clear > > > improvement & no negatives. Really like that chip. > > > A Wima would be an improvement on an electrolytic, but not by a hell of > a > > > lot. They are among the worst film caps I've heard. I think a > Panasonic > > > polyester film is about as good, if not better. You'd still need a > > > polystyrene bypass cap to make it sound decent. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 15 16:23:53 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:23:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] test References: <000f01c096fa$c24eabe0$0b1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3A8BF489.7A7FBF37@xs4all.nl> Hi Salim, YES that's true! Only people who are subscribed to the list can send email to it! Wouter Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Is it true that a message can't get through if sent from different address ? > > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Thu Feb 15 17:29:46 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:29:46 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] pictures In-Reply-To: <3A89CA89.99C0A454@concentric.net> Message-ID: On 14-Feb-01 Ron wrote: > > If possible, I think it would be much better to post > the pictures on the server and notify people through > the email list. My connection is very slow. Even a > small graphic forces me to sit and wait, whether I > will end up wanting the final picture or not. There > is no way to skip a message -- I *must* wait. It seems the ftp.naks.com server is and will be offline. Wouter offered to have a http:// based file download area, but it's not yet on www.naks.com so right now there is no server for file sharing. I agree that even not too large pictures and binaries are not wellcome on a mailing list, so an alternative would be interesing. I do have access to some geocities accounts, but I wouldn't want to use them for long term things and this obviously is only suitable for quite small things (no way with complete manuals). But if somebody would volunteer to snoop around all these free file/picture sharing things like www.ememories.com and similar and find something suitable that would be ok for a short term solution to some pictures at least. I'm quite busy right now so I don't want to volunteer inside before end of march ;-) K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 15-Feb-01, 17:20:36 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Thu Feb 15 17:45:52 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:45:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: Message-ID: <3A8C07C0.92A59BD9@chello.at> Hi Alex! > Also, I know a couple of people who bought Dragon's at pawn shops for $50!!!!!! Where can you get it at this price :-))))) Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 18:08:13 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:08:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <3A8C07C0.92A59BD9@chello.at> Message-ID: Well, actually...one of the guys got his at a garage sale for $30. He said the lady wanted $50 for it because she said, "It has all those buttons and knobs on it, it must be something nice." He talked her down to $30. To top it off, it works fine and hasn't needed service. Right place and the right time! Alex > Hi Alex! > > > > Also, I know a couple of people who bought Dragon's at pawn > shops for $50!!!!!! > > Where can you get it at this price :-))))) > > Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Feb 15 19:40:43 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:40:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic Need service manual for Pioner CT-F900 Message-ID: <009601c0977e$cf14e360$0100007f@localhost> Hi Naktalkers! Today got some nice - old (my guess 1978) and big Pioneer deck. Need some ajustment (as always) and I'm looking for someone who has manual and can share the info. Maybe Stephen has it? Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 00:21:58 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic Need service manual for Pioner CT-F900 In-Reply-To: <009601c0977e$cf14e360$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <20010215232158.29095.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> I've worked on hundreds of old CT-F Pioneers, but I have not once needed a service manual, so, sorry, don't have any at all. --- MVM wrote: > Hi Naktalkers! > > Today got some nice - old (my guess 1978) and big > Pioneer deck. > Need some ajustment (as always) and I'm looking for > someone who > has manual and can share the info. Maybe Stephen has > it? > > Thanks, > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Fri Feb 16 02:00:34 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: Message-ID: <002d01c097b3$df4bc980$8e05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? It sure shocked me and to think that I sold one with a mint 682ZX a few years back for $650.00! Kevin Rogers > I'm absolutely shocked that thing is going for $450. My goodness, isn't > that excessive?????? > > Alex > > > > Did anyone see that RM580 on ebay? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214032268 > > > > The seller calles it 'the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors', so it has > > this status these days? > > I was so lucky to find one at a flea market one day for $50, the man who > > was selling it thought it was broken..... Allthough it is far from mint > > condition it is working just fine! > > > > I think these accessories are all quite rare, at the time they were sold > > they were already quite expensive, but these days.... > > So what IS the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Feb 16 05:08:30 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:38:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Message-ID: <20010216040830.993E61DFD02@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Spankie01 at aol.com Fri Feb 16 06:35:23 2001 From: Spankie01 at aol.com (Spankie01 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:35:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak CR-4A Manual Message-ID: Hi all, I recently picked up a mint CR-4A on eBay but it didn't come with a manual. Anyone know where I might be able to pick up an old owners manual and perhaps a service manual as well ? I would prefer an original, but at this stage, a copy would suffice. Thanks, Mike. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 07:29:08 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <20010216040830.993E61DFD02@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Kannan. The Orion Bluebook is, at best, a suspect source of evaluation. It's primary purpose is to help dealers assign a value to trade in equipment. So, of course, there is a vested self interest, since the Orion "board" is comprised of dealers, to keep things priced low. In my experience, the more desirable a piece is, the more unrealistically low the bluebook will list it's value. The whole thing is somewhat analogous to letting members of legislatures vote their own pay raises. --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > I know a person here in Bangalore asking for a mint > Nak Dragon about 2000 US$ equivalent! It is only a > question of what you prepared to spend and what the > market offers you. I also saw a dragon with > mechanical damage went for 350 $ in ebay an year > back. I see already one more RM580 is listed for > 475$ start at ebay? > Looking at my 582 working very fine with few > replacements recently( must be 15 or more years > old!) I perceive a better value for a Nak Deck. But > service manual and remotes - I think somebody out > there perceives a value in hundreds of Dollars. The > Holy grail is picking up Nak goodies at wrong time > or wrong place? > Recently I got a Orion Blue book value of CR7 - How > you guys rate this Blue book. Does it really reflect > the current value? I also see Dragon bids are going > from 1100 $ to 500 $ in ebay - more for the same > item with lot of catchy write up. This holy grail - > business is also similar to such a advertising > success? > And finally right time you place your Nak goodies on > ebay - you strike gold. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cagann > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi > collectors? > > > >It probably wouldn't be very hard to make your own > remote control unit for > >these Nak decks. Anyone tried that yet? Yeah, it > may be a sin to have a > >remote in a radio shack project box for your Nak, > but the $450 > >alternative....... > > > >By the way, I saw a Dragon go for $500 last week. > I think they should at > >least still fetch a grand. Also, I know a couple > of people who bought > >Dragon's at pawn shops for $50!!!!!! > > > >Alex > > > >> It is! > >> But gives you a nice feeling if you have one :-) > >> > >> That wufwufl guy really has too much money to > spend. I've seen > >> him outbid friends of me > >> on service manuals, remotes, decks etc! > >> > >> Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 16 13:23:06 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:23:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy grail". I think it is a very personal opinion of what such a grail could be. For me can be a Dragon and for others an MR-2. When you see these funny descriptions at e.bay or anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller doesn't know shit about what he's talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z described as "the best Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? And by the way, I believe that those days of paying 1,000+ for any deck are gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're so many decks for sale that the prices are keep going down. Why? simply because the availability is high and demand are almost non existent. Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter in the audio industry. It's excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... forget it. By the way, the latest information from IRMA says that last year 940 million cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost 90% were spoken word. Remember that these numbers doesn't include small duplicators like me,so, it was easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not bad for you cassette lovers but for us in the industry it is simply fading away ... CD's ? well, over 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount of cassettes and it hasn't leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? The CDR and keep climbing. DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years there wouldn't be any video cassette at all. It is falling down faster than the audio cassette. DVD Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... And that's all for statistics. How many more years for the cassette ? Uhh... let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply doub it. The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Feb 16 13:41:04 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:41:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3A8D1FE0.B9D41143@xs4all.nl> Take a look at the bid history of the RM580: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1214032268&ed=982310597 And see what happens now? People are SOOO predictable! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215086823 Who is as crazy as wufwufl? I think a RM300 could also be a potential winner on ebay! Wouter Carlos wrote: > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy grail". I think it is a very > personal opinion of what such a grail could be. For me can be a Dragon and > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny descriptions at e.bay or > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller doesn't know shit about what he's > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z described as "the best > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > And by the way, I believe that those days of paying 1,000+ for any deck are > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're so many decks for sale that > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply because the availability is high > and demand are almost non existent. > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter in the audio industry. It's > excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... forget it. > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA says that last year 940 million > cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost 90% were spoken word. Remember > that these numbers doesn't include small duplicators like me,so, it was > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not bad for you cassette lovers > but for us in the industry it is simply fading away ... CD's ? well, over > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount of cassettes and it hasn't > leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? The CDR and keep climbing. > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years there wouldn't be any video > cassette at all. It is falling down faster than the audio cassette. DVD > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... > > And that's all for statistics. How many more years for the cassette ? Uhh... > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply doub it. > > The Tape Man > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 16 16:06:23 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:06:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> Hi Carlos, Nice to hear from you - it's been a while. The sale volumes of pre-recorded cassettes here in SA have dropped to new low levels, although they seem to hold their own in the budget and ethnic music market place. But I can imagine your despondency with the tape market. Is there a future market in CDs for the spoken word? I note that cassette manufacturers are reducing their ranges of blank media, but there still seems to be some trade there. The focus for the volume end of the market seems to be CD though. Not even mini-disc seems to have much of a draw. Personally, I hope that there will be reasonable amounts of affordable blank tapes in the year 2005! I'm planning on living past that ....... Cheers, MARC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 05:45:16 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:45:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> <3A8D1FE0.B9D41143@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002501c097d3$44c61620$271a9bca@smarzuki> You know what, I think he made a typo from $45.00 :-) BTW, how could the bid jumped by so much increment ? I thought ebay would automatically put 'lowest-high-bid' first, unless the reserve was also that high. Now who gave the idea of $450 reserve for a remote to treasurehunters at lycos ? Salim SM Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 description !!! Good luck Ed. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > Take a look at the bid history of the RM580: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1214032268&ed=982310 597 > > And see what happens now? People are SOOO predictable! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215086823 > > Who is as crazy as wufwufl? > > I think a RM300 could also be a potential winner on ebay! > > Wouter > > > Carlos wrote: > > > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy grail". I think it is a very > > personal opinion of what such a grail could be. For me can be a Dragon and > > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny descriptions at e.bay or > > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller doesn't know shit about what he's > > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z described as "the best > > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > > > And by the way, I believe that those days of paying 1,000+ for any deck are > > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're so many decks for sale that > > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply because the availability is high > > and demand are almost non existent. > > > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter in the audio industry. It's > > excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... forget it. > > > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA says that last year 940 million > > cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost 90% were spoken word. Remember > > that these numbers doesn't include small duplicators like me,so, it was > > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not bad for you cassette lovers > > but for us in the industry it is simply fading away ... CD's ? well, over > > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount of cassettes and it hasn't > > leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? The CDR and keep climbing. > > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years there wouldn't be any video > > cassette at all. It is falling down faster than the audio cassette. DVD > > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... > > > > And that's all for statistics. How many more years for the cassette ? Uhh... > > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply doub it. > > > > The Tape Man > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Feb 16 19:16:05 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:16:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps References: <001601c096fb$09de5fa0$0b1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, I never heard the OP 275. - faster response, 22 V/us- Once, in a comparison done with headphones, the 2041 (close to 2043) was sounding pretty punchy & definite sounding. I am not an expert but I think the rec op-amp directly coupled to the head must be regarded with care for replacement. (about DC offset to the head) About sockets, I use them because in an A-B comparison, it is very fast to switch, as the auditive memory is not rather reliable to stand & wait the soldering work ! and the heat, even with a temperature controlled soldering iron, 'damage' partially the performance of the op-amp. Just prefer gold contacted ones, and a model that let just the pins on the PCB (the pin holder is to be removed) btw, no plastic holder. They are less capacitive for H.F. use.. I don't have experience for long term, perhaps the op-amp pins will oxidise with time, occurring a definition loss... who knows it there ? Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > Hi Nakfellows, > > I posted below message but didn't see it on the list. > > After looking at the op amps datasheet cross ref, the NEC C4082 is the > equivalent of TL072 jfet and LM833N is equivalent to 5532 standard op amps. > Maybe that kind of explains my not-so-golden ears. When I switched a 2043 > op amp (standard) for this OP275, the difference was more pronounced. Is > it more because of higher slew rate ? > > Looking more closely at the details, seems like one of differences between > those ICs is max input bias current where 072 can take only 200 pA (pico?) > and a 2043 can take 1,000,000 pA ! Should I worry about this bias current ? > > For novices like me within the group, here's the link for cross ref of some > (old) op amps as well as JRC's datasheets: http://www.njr.co.jp/e05/ae.html > > Matyas, do you use sockets for your experiment ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 20:19:49 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:19:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010216191949.27786.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> There's one major problem with your testing method. No warm up time for the opamps under test. A chip, or any solid state device, can take an hour to 24 hours to completely warm up to it's best performance(just ask any Krell owner). The only way to make your swap testing valid is to make up a "warm up bed", which would be a row of IC sockets with at least + & - power supplies, and preferrably some active simple circuit for each chip section, such as a simple square wave oscillator. This way, you could be swapping warmed up chips & have a valid comparison. As for sockets, pin oxidation of the chips could be a definite factor, if only after some time. I would periodically coat the chip pins with a contact preservative, such as Caig Pro-Gold or Cramolin. Clearly, it would be best to eliminate the sockets after you have decided on your choice of chips. --- Matyas wrote: > Hi Salim, > I never heard the OP 275. - faster response, 22 > V/us- > Once, in a comparison done with headphones, the 2041 > (close to 2043) was > sounding pretty punchy & definite sounding. I am not > an expert but I think > the rec op-amp directly coupled to the head must be > regarded with care for > replacement. (about DC offset to the head) > > About sockets, I use them because in an A-B > comparison, it is very fast to > switch, as the auditive memory is not rather > reliable to stand & wait the > soldering work ! and the heat, even with a > temperature controlled soldering > iron, 'damage' partially the performance of the > op-amp. > Just prefer gold contacted ones, and a model that > let just the pins on the > PCB (the pin holder is to be removed) btw, no > plastic holder. They are less > capacitive for H.F. use.. > > I don't have experience for long term, perhaps the > op-amp pins will oxidise > with time, occurring a definition loss... who knows > it there ? > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > I posted below message but didn't see it on the > list. > > > > After looking at the op amps datasheet cross ref, > the NEC C4082 is the > > equivalent of TL072 jfet and LM833N is equivalent > to 5532 standard op > amps. > > Maybe that kind of explains my not-so-golden ears. > When I switched a 2043 > > op amp (standard) for this OP275, the difference > was more pronounced. Is > > it more because of higher slew rate ? > > > > Looking more closely at the details, seems like > one of differences between > > those ICs is max input bias current where 072 can > take only 200 pA (pico?) > > and a 2043 can take 1,000,000 pA ! Should I worry > about this bias current > ? > > > > For novices like me within the group, here's the > link for cross ref of > some > > (old) op amps as well as JRC's datasheets: > http://www.njr.co.jp/e05/ae.html > > > > Matyas, do you use sockets for your experiment ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at email.msn.com Fri Feb 16 19:03:42 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000201c0984d$c8aa94a0$f78d183f@Marc> Personally, for me the Grail has always been finding Nak 700 microphones for sale. I rarely see them on eBay or anywhere else. I guess the Grail is really subjective, Isn't it? -Marc Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy grail". I think it is a very > personal opinion of what such a grail could be. For me can be a Dragon and > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny descriptions at e.bay or > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller doesn't know shit about what he's > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z described as "the best > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > And by the way, I believe that those days of paying 1,000+ for any deck are > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're so many decks for sale that > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply because the availability is high > and demand are almost non existent. > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter in the audio industry. It's > excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... forget it. > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA says that last year 940 million > cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost 90% were spoken word. Remember > that these numbers doesn't include small duplicators like me,so, it was > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not bad for you cassette lovers > but for us in the industry it is simply fading away ... CD's ? well, over > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount of cassettes and it hasn't > leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? The CDR and keep climbing. > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years there wouldn't be any video > cassette at all. It is falling down faster than the audio cassette. DVD > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... > > And that's all for statistics. How many more years for the cassette ? Uhh... > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply doub it. > > The Tape Man > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 20:26:33 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:26:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <002501c097d3$44c61620$271a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010216192633.20298.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> "Wufwuf" is a former client of mine. I can assure you that he did not make a typo. He just almost doesn't care how much money he has to spend to get what he wants. Especially when someone else wants it too. The other RM-580 that has come up at a starting bid of $475 is obviously someone foolishly believing that wufwuf's bid reflects their actual value. Just like the guy that had the 1000ZXL service manual up for $215. Nobody bought that, did they? --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > You know what, I think he made a typo from $45.00 > :-) > > BTW, how could the bid jumped by so much increment ? > I thought ebay would > automatically put 'lowest-high-bid' first, unless > the reserve was also that > high. Now who gave the idea of $450 reserve for a > remote to > treasurehunters at lycos ? > > Salim SM > Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 > description !!! Good luck Ed. > :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi > collectors? > > > > > > Take a look at the bid history of the RM580: > > > > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1214032268&ed=982310 > 597 > > > > And see what happens now? People are SOOO > predictable! > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215086823 > > > > Who is as crazy as wufwufl? > > > > I think a RM300 could also be a potential winner > on ebay! > > > > Wouter > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy > grail". I think it is a > very > > > personal opinion of what such a grail could be. > For me can be a Dragon > and > > > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny > descriptions at e.bay or > > > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller > doesn't know shit about what > he's > > > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z > described as "the best > > > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > > > > > And by the way, I believe that those days of > paying 1,000+ for any deck > are > > > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're > so many decks for sale > that > > > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply > because the availability is > high > > > and demand are almost non existent. > > > > > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter > in the audio industry. > It's > > > excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... > forget it. > > > > > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA > says that last year 940 > million > > > cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost > 90% were spoken word. > Remember > > > that these numbers doesn't include small > duplicators like me,so, it was > > > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not > bad for you cassette > lovers > > > but for us in the industry it is simply fading > away ... CD's ? well, > over > > > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount > of cassettes and it > hasn't > > > leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? > The CDR and keep climbing. > > > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years > there wouldn't be any > video > > > cassette at all. It is falling down faster than > the audio cassette. DVD > > > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... > > > > > > And that's all for statistics. How many more > years for the cassette ? > Uhh... > > > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply > doub it. > > > > > > The Tape Man > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 16 20:33:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:33:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps References: <001601c096fb$09de5fa0$0b1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3A8D8083.832A847@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Nakfellows, > > I posted below message but didn't see it on the list. > > After looking at the op amps datasheet cross ref, the NEC C4082 is the > equivalent of TL072 jfet and LM833N is equivalent to 5532 standard op amps. > Maybe that kind of explains my not-so-golden ears. You need to be careful with 'equivalent' lists. Most op-amps do not carry THD and/or crossover distortion rating. These two are the most significant (along with slew rate) to the way an op-amp sounds and whether or not it's suitable for hi-end audio use. IOW, the replacement may work fine in a timer or controller circuit but be a poor choice in a hi-end audio amplifier. > When I switched a 2043 op amp (standard) for this > OP275, the difference was more pronounced. Is > it more because of higher slew rate? Possibly; or, > lower harmonic distortion. > > Looking more closely at the details, seems like one of differences between > those ICs is max input bias current where 072 can take only 200 pA (pico?) > and a 2043 can take 1,000,000 pA ! Bias current is not what the op-amp can take, but, rather, the maximum the op-amp input will consume. The TL072 is a FET input amp, that you would expect to require extremely little bias current (in fact, just the gate leakage). The other amp (I am not familiar with it) must have bipolar input devices that are expected to require about 1uA at the bases. > Should I worry about this bias current? Depends where you are using the op-amp. The bias current specification limits your choice of the input resistor. For most circuits, a loading of 1uA (at 10V, this is roughly equivalent to a load of 10Mohm) is of no consequence whatsoever. In some cases, however, it is unacceptable -- and this is where FET input op-amps must be used. In practice, replacing a bipolar input op-amp with a FET input one should pose no problems, but the reverse may not be true. -- Ron > For novices like me within the group, here's the link for cross ref of some > (old) op amps as well as JRC's datasheets: http://www.njr.co.jp/e05/ae.html > > Matyas, do you use sockets for your experiment ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I still don't have the guts to tinker with the op amp on my Nak yet, > instead > > I replaced NEC C4082 from akai GX7 with OP275 (this little deck > > interestingly uses 2SK170). Too bad a-b is impossible but I think I hear > > better definition ... what a rusty ear ! > > > > One question : BK preamp uses NatSemi LM833 for its phono, preamp and > phones > > amp. Is this opamp a good contender for Nak TL072 upgrade ? Anybody > tried > > this one ? Specs is unimpressive compared to OP275 ... but as Matyas > said, > > ol' 4558 still comes up a strong second on his Nak. > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:44 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > > > > I had a Marantz preamp that had the NJM4558 in it. It was OK but on > some > > > classical pieces instruments at a high dB level would smear acroos the > > sound > > > field. I replaced all the Op Amps in it with OPA2604's and everything > is > > > now very focused, each instrument stays in it's position no matter the > dB > > > level. I also replaced the decoupling caps with Black Gate with .1uf > MIT > > > Polystryrene in parallel. I also replaced the Doides in the power > supply > > > with GI851's to lower the noise floor. > > > > > > I ended up with the OPA2604 after experimenting with many OpAmps in my > CD > > > player. The AD827 is also good but it ended up being a little too > bright. > > > The OPA2604 is very open, clean and has a good depth of field. > > > > > > I'm sold on the OPA2604 and will finally start tacking my Naks and put > it > > in > > > them also. > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen_sank at rjknet.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:48 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Op amps > > > > > > > > I haven't yet used the OPA2604 Burr-Brown, as sources are out of stock > > > > every > > > > time I have thought of ordering them, but I have extensively used > Analog > > > > Devices OP275 in place of both TL072 & 4558 types in Naks with clear > > > > improvement & no negatives. Really like that chip. > > > > A Wima would be an improvement on an electrolytic, but not by a hell > of > > a > > > > lot. They are among the worst film caps I've heard. I think a > > Panasonic > > > > polyester film is about as good, if not better. You'd still need a > > > > polystyrene bypass cap to make it sound decent. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Fri Feb 16 21:02:01 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:02:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Message-ID: <8c.276e97b.27bee139@aol.com> e-Bay...aka...a place where folks can go to hopefully become wealthy. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 16 21:57:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:57:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: Message-ID: <3A8D9444.59746130@concentric.net> Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: > > On 15-Feb-01 Alex Cagann wrote: > > It probably wouldn't be very hard to make your own remote control unit for > > these Nak decks. Anyone tried that yet? > > Hi, > > I've a RX505 for years now and soon after buying tried to figure out how > the remotes are working. From measuring the voltage between the pins and > ground I could tell the "ground pin" and then tried to connect pins to > ground. I used a 10kOhm resistor IIRC. > This switched various funktions of the deck and a cable remote would have > been fairly easy to do. Nowadays one could simply use one of > these 10-channel IR remotes connected to the remote-connector of the Nak. > > K.-H. I actually did it, a long time ago, for my (then) 582. I mounted nice push button switches (squarish buttons, with very light and sexy touch) on a perf board and wired them, through a cable with an 8 pin DIN plug. I had the schematic and didn't have to guess at the pinout or use resistors (I did put reverse diodes in parallel, just to be on the safe side). It worked very nicely. The idea was to eventually mount the whole thing in a nice box and route the cable to the sofa, but this never happened -- routing the cable across the room turned out to be far too much trouble. I finally decided that turning the deck off remotely was enough for my purpose. I modified my (then) ReVox receiver to output control signals for the tape and turntable inputs, installed relays in the 582 and turntable and wired them to turn on when selected at the receiver. This setup worked for over 10 years, until I sold the 582 and the receiver. The turntable still has that relay sitting inside -- now, unused. It's hooked up through an X-10 appliance module (as is the CR-7) providing the remote on/off function. BTW, I have a project in process, to add full remote control to the turntable. It's a ReVox B791, that has all the functions electrically controlled, but with no remote control. I have already built the remote control circuit and designed the turntable remote interface -- all that remains is to build it into the turntable -- something I'll definitely do as soon as I get a round tuit... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 16 23:25:28 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:25:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> <000201c0984d$c8aa94a0$f78d183f@Marc> Message-ID: <000a01c09867$5e3a33e0$76232ac4@coqui.net> YES ! That's what I mean, Marc. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "marc" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > I guess the Grail is really subjective, Isn't it? > -Marc Y. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 16 23:28:15 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:28:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <3A8B9938.35F45695@xs4all.nl> <3A8BB8FF.4BC2372D@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <001601c09867$c15c9ee0$76232ac4@coqui.net> Sure it happens. Last year I found a 1000 ZXL in the original carton, foam and un-opened manual for 500 bucks. It was in a closet for 10 years and ,so, it needs some repairs due to lack of use. The owner's wife, who passed away, told me that the deck never recorded a full C90 tape. Now, that's what I call a "Holy Grail" ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Hi Wouter, I think, and this is just an opinion, my Nakamichi Holy Grail is getting a magnificent piece of Nak history in the origInal new condition. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 16 23:34:20 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> Hi Mark and thanks for the salute ! Well, you know how this shit works. It is not the consumers who wants to get rid of the cassette but the industry because are no longer making money on the product. They are not making money on the CD's either and the matter is worst on the CDR market where you can find prices as low as .18 per unit ! Their ridiculous price war is killing the whole dam market and we are part of the victims. Big names are going out of business. Last year, the last of the super audio cassette tape giant, SKM, filed bankrupcy due to the price war and low demand. By the way, incidentally, the spoken word recorded on cassette increased a lot last year and a survey just concluded that people still prefer the audiotape instead of CD for those matters. Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. Best, The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Hi Carlos, > > Nice to hear from you - it's been a while. The sale volumes of > pre-recorded cassettes here in SA have dropped to new low levels, > although they seem to hold their own in the budget and ethnic music > market place. But I can imagine your despondency with the tape market. > Is there a future market in CDs for the spoken word? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at email.msn.com Sat Feb 17 00:29:47 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:29:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216192633.20298.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c09870$5cc446a0$328d183f@Marc> To Steven Sank (and everyone): I see you got that 550 on eBay the other day (you, me and naknut were the high bidders). I'm looking for a blend mic knob for one of my 550's. Any idea were I might be able to get one? I've searched around my area (NYC) and come up empty. Thanks All, Marc Y. hzl88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > "Wufwuf" is a former client of mine. I can assure you > that he did not make a typo. He just almost doesn't > care how much money he has to spend to get what he > wants. Especially when someone else wants it too. > The other RM-580 that has come up at a starting bid of > $475 is obviously someone foolishly believing that > wufwuf's bid reflects their actual value. Just like > the guy that had the 1000ZXL service manual up for > $215. Nobody bought that, did they? > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > You know what, I think he made a typo from $45.00 > > :-) > > > > BTW, how could the bid jumped by so much increment ? > > I thought ebay would > > automatically put 'lowest-high-bid' first, unless > > the reserve was also that > > high. Now who gave the idea of $450 reserve for a > > remote to > > treasurehunters at lycos ? > > > > Salim SM > > Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 > > description !!! Good luck Ed. > > :-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi > > collectors? > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at the bid history of the RM580: > > > > > > > > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1214032268&ed=982310 > > 597 > > > > > > And see what happens now? People are SOOO > > predictable! > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215086823 > > > > > > Who is as crazy as wufwufl? > > > > > > I think a RM300 could also be a potential winner > > on ebay! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such "holy > > grail". I think it is a > > very > > > > personal opinion of what such a grail could be. > > For me can be a Dragon > > and > > > > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny > > descriptions at e.bay or > > > > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller > > doesn't know shit about what > > he's > > > > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 z > > described as "the best > > > > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > > > > > > > And by the way, I believe that those days of > > paying 1,000+ for any deck > > are > > > > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that there're > > so many decks for sale > > that > > > > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply > > because the availability is > > high > > > > and demand are almost non existent. > > > > > > > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and bullshitter > > in the audio industry. > > It's > > > > excellent if you're buying, but for selling ... > > forget it. > > > > > > > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA > > says that last year 940 > > million > > > > cassettes were duplicated in te US and almost > > 90% were spoken word. > > Remember > > > > that these numbers doesn't include small > > duplicators like me,so, it was > > > > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, not > > bad for you cassette > > lovers > > > > but for us in the industry it is simply fading > > away ... CD's ? well, > > over > > > > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the amount > > of cassettes and it > > hasn't > > > > leveled yet. The king of the road right now ? > > The CDR and keep climbing. > > > > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five years > > there wouldn't be any > > video > > > > cassette at all. It is falling down faster than > > the audio cassette. DVD > > > > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere ... > > > > > > > > And that's all for statistics. How many more > > years for the cassette ? > > Uhh... > > > > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I simply > > doub it. > > > > > > > > The Tape Man > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 01:02:53 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:02:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? In-Reply-To: <000b01c09870$5cc446a0$328d183f@Marc> Message-ID: <20010217000253.11348.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I had fully expected to get outbid by "naknut" on that 550. I was really surprised when I came home & found that I had won it. I don't have any 550 knobs at all & I don't expect this 550 will become a "parts unit", but I'll let you know if it does. --- marc wrote: > To Steven Sank (and everyone): > I see you got that 550 on eBay the other day (you, > me and naknut were the > high bidders). I'm looking for a blend mic knob for > one of my 550's. Any > idea were I might be able to get one? I've searched > around my area (NYC) and > come up empty. > Thanks All, > Marc Y. hzl88 at msn.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi > collectors? > > > > "Wufwuf" is a former client of mine. I can assure > you > > that he did not make a typo. He just almost > doesn't > > care how much money he has to spend to get what he > > wants. Especially when someone else wants it too. > > The other RM-580 that has come up at a starting > bid of > > $475 is obviously someone foolishly believing that > > wufwuf's bid reflects their actual value. Just > like > > the guy that had the 1000ZXL service manual up for > > $215. Nobody bought that, did they? > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > You know what, I think he made a typo from > $45.00 > > > :-) > > > > > > BTW, how could the bid jumped by so much > increment ? > > > I thought ebay would > > > automatically put 'lowest-high-bid' first, > unless > > > the reserve was also that > > > high. Now who gave the idea of $450 reserve for > a > > > remote to > > > treasurehunters at lycos ? > > > > > > Salim SM > > > Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 > > > description !!! Good luck Ed. > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of > Nakamichi > > > collectors? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at the bid history of the RM580: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1214032268&ed=982310 > > > 597 > > > > > > > > And see what happens now? People are SOOO > > > predictable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215086823 > > > > > > > > Who is as crazy as wufwufl? > > > > > > > > I think a RM300 could also be a potential > winner > > > on ebay! > > > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > Holy Grail ? Bull shit ! There's not such > "holy > > > grail". I think it is a > > > very > > > > > personal opinion of what such a grail could > be. > > > For me can be a Dragon > > > and > > > > > for others an MR-2. When you see these funny > > > descriptions at e.bay or > > > > > anywhere else, 90% of the time the seller > > > doesn't know shit about what > > > he's > > > > > talking. How many times you have seen a 480 > z > > > described as "the best > > > > > Nakamichi" or "the ultimate machine" ? > > > > > > > > > > And by the way, I believe that those days of > > > paying 1,000+ for any deck > > > are > > > > > gone. Cassette is fading so fast that > there're > > > so many decks for sale > > > that > > > > > the prices are keep going down. Why? simply > > > because the availability is > > > high > > > > > and demand are almost non existent. > > > > > > > > > > Orion Blue Book ? The best lier and > bullshitter > > > in the audio industry. > > > It's > > > > > excellent if you're buying, but for selling > ... > > > forget it. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, the latest information from IRMA > > > says that last year 940 > > > million > > > > > cassettes were duplicated in te US and > almost > > > 90% were spoken word. > > > Remember > > > > > that these numbers doesn't include small > > > duplicators like me,so, it was > > > > > easily over 100 million. Not bad,ah ? Well, > not > > > bad for you cassette > > > lovers > > > > > but for us in the industry it is simply > fading > > > away ... CD's ? well, > > > over > > > > > 1,800 million units !!! Almost twice the > amount > > > of cassettes and it > > > hasn't > > > > > leveled yet. The king of the road right now > ? > > > The CDR and keep climbing. > > > > > DVD ? Well, I assure you guys that in five > years > > > there wouldn't be any > > > video > > > > > cassette at all. It is falling down faster > than > > > the audio cassette. DVD > > > > > Audio ? Well, until now it's going nowhere > ... > > > > > > > > > > And that's all for statistics. How many more > > > years for the cassette ? > > > Uhh... > > > > > let's see if it get to the year 2005. I > simply > > > doub it. > > > > > > > > > > The Tape Man > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > === message truncated === ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Feb 17 04:59:33 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:59:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> <3A8D1FE0.B9D41143@xs4all.nl> <002501c097d3$44c61620$271a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3A8DF724.3D9EDCF@snet.net> > Salim SM > Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 description !!! Good luck Ed. > :-) I am a big believer in being comprehensive... and get me rolling on a nice Nak and there's no shutting me up. I know a lot of people will agree that there are a lot of nice design elements embodied in the 582 with the kind sound that represents Nak at their finest... Now if only I had the matching remote... I could sell that in a separate auction for $150 more than the deck!!! ;-) Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Feb 17 05:51:45 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:21:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? Message-ID: <20010217045145.CD0B71DFE5C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 18:25:18 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:25:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? References: <20010216062908.10752.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <005701c09813$37e79ba0$8a232ac4@coqui.net> <3A8D1FE0.B9D41143@xs4all.nl> <002501c097d3$44c61620$271a9bca@smarzuki> <3A8DF724.3D9EDCF@snet.net> Message-ID: <000901c0983d$d8acbc80$f8299bca@smarzuki> Considering my only 'formal' background is by comparing Stereo Review's description ... I always enjoy reading those lines !! Cheers, Salim SM Absolutely nothing can be gained by reading this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1213022059 What ... exactly was he trying to accomplish ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] the Holy Grail of Nakamichi collectors? > > Salim SM > > Intermezzo ... just read a very long 582 description !!! Good luck Ed. > > :-) > > I am a big believer in being comprehensive... and get me rolling on a nice Nak and > there's no shutting me up. I know a lot of people will agree that there are a lot of > nice design elements embodied in the 582 with the kind sound that represents Nak at > their finest... > > Now if only I had the matching remote... I could sell that in a separate auction for > $150 more than the deck!!! ;-) > > Ed > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sat Feb 17 22:46:27 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:46:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? Thanks. -jts PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Feb 18 00:38:51 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:38:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000701c0993a$c917b1a0$282f2ac4@coqui.net> As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the MD has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once the cassette is gone who knows what would become next. Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. I'm not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? > > Thanks. > > -jts > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jdporter at min.net Sun Feb 18 03:52:21 2001 From: jdporter at min.net (John Porter) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:52:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com>; from jtsmall@onramp.net on Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:46:27PM -0600 References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> John Small wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? Of course, the music industry would like to see home recording wiped out completely. (Some uses must be allowed, like voice dictation; for these purposes, low-fi media are allowable.) As long as the trend continues of corporations having more power in the legislative system than the individual citizen, we can expect that NOTHING will "replace" cassette. In the mean time, for practical purposes CDR and indeed MP3 on harddisk can be considered the contemporary counterpart of cassette or other analog magnetic media. -- John Porter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Feb 18 15:49:50 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> Message-ID: <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> Good point there, Porter. POLITICS. It's all reduced to that shit. Vietnam, Education, Food, Money and Music. POLITICS. Guess why the DVD has taken so long to impose itself in the market ? Guess why the DAT never got to the domestic users? POLITICS. The cassette is no longer a tread to these people,so, let it has its own dead. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Porter" To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > John Small wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? > > Of course, the music industry would like to see home recording > wiped out completely. (Some uses must be allowed, like voice > dictation; for these purposes, low-fi media are allowable.) > As long as the trend continues of corporations having more > power in the legislative system than the individual citizen, > we can expect that NOTHING will "replace" cassette. > In the mean time, for practical purposes CDR and indeed > MP3 on harddisk can be considered the contemporary counterpart > of cassette or other analog magnetic media. > > -- > John Porter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sun Feb 18 16:54:36 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:54:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:49:50 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: >Guess why the DAT never got to the >domestic users? POLITICS. Interesting observation ... from my perspective as a music buff and not an industry insider, one that I think explains DAT's niche status as well. If it had not been for politics I'm sure I would have moved my vinyl collection to DAT ... at $6-10 record. As it was I continued to use a Nak cassette deck and wait. Then three years ago I added MD (I'm on my second deck), last year added cd-r/rw on the PC and this year music a cd-r/rw deck. I actually think I am better off with this combination than if I had spent considerably more with DAT. If I want perfect copies I go with fifteen cent data cd-r's, otherwise for portability I copy to MD. As you know portable MD recorders are much much smaller than portable DAT recorders, not to mention lower acquisition costs, maintenance or media costs. I use mp3 for listening to new music I'm not familiar with. But with only an ISDN line (broadband is still relatively rare) downloading more than a few mp3's imposes a significant opportunity cost to me. It's very time consuming to que up several mp3's, monitor their progress and try again and again for those that fail to download. Not to speak of the occasional mp3 that's faulty to begin with. When all that is done I still have something less than MD quality! Keeping in mind that a quality cassette or MD copy is nearly identical to the CD for all practical purposes. It seems mp3 is a giant step back in the name of convenience ... until we have broadband as the rule and media costs on the order of what MD's cost now ($2 for 150mb or 74 minutes ... or metal cassette for less than $2 for 90 minutes!). Nor would I even remotely consider paying say $1 for each mp3 song I downloaded. Maybe 1/10th much at most. So, I see mp3 as a novelty only. We are in a vacuum waiting for the next big thing. >On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:52:21 -0500, John Porter wrote: > >>Of course, the music industry would like to see home recording >>wiped out completely. If we 'follow the money' I could conclude nothing else. The industry does not seem to agree with the assertion that the easy availability of copying leads to greater music sales. I notion that seems true in my experience. For example if Sony believed that, now that they own the Columbia catalog, I believe we'd see greater success with the MD format. MD preceeded mp3 and by most accounts it is a better data reduction scheme, yet if flounders. Quality MD decks are less expensive than casstte decks by about 1/2. MD media is more flexible, smaller and more robust than cassette tape with comparable costs. Something is wrong with this picture ... something that I can't explain without resort to political collusion. For all that, I find fifteen cent data cd-r's not a bad alternative. Thank goodness for the PC industry. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Feb 18 20:01:32 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:01:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> Just curious, John, where do you buy those "15 cents data CDR's ? What difference are between those and the regular CDR's ? By the way, the digital copy protection chip issue that took years to solve at the congress, killed the DAT for domestic use. It found its niche in all professional applications killing the remains of the open reel deck. Today, it's very hard to find a 1/4" deck working, even in radio stations were they use to be the rule. There you have a market where MD's are quite popular: radio stations. BTW, dats cost today are $2.50 - $5.00 professional grade 120 minutes. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:49:50 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > >Guess why the DAT never got to the > >domestic users? POLITICS. > > Interesting observation ... from my perspective as a music buff and not an > industry insider, one that I think explains DAT's niche status as well. If it > had not been for politics I'm sure I would have moved my vinyl collection to DAT > ... at $6-10 record... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sun Feb 18 22:45:25 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:45:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <1dg09tc0ec436k74lleeehjhb3h30pq5d7@4ax.com> On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:01:32 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: >Just curious, John, where do you buy those "15 cents data CDR's ? What >difference are between those and the regular CDR's ? Fry's locally had them three weeks ago. Started out at $9.50 for a 50 spindle and by Sun they were at $7.50. 750/50 = 15 cents each. I bought a bunch at both prices. Plus many packs of jewel cases 10/$3. The next weekend those same jewel cases had cd-r in each for the same $3!!! I bought a bunch both times. So I have enough cd-r's (all 80 minutes, Great Quality ... silver and record perfectly from what I can tell and very plain to the eye ... look about like Fuji cd-r's) and jewel cases to last until the media dies. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sun Feb 18 22:47:28 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:47:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:01:32 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: >BTW, dats cost today are $2.50 - $5.00 professional grade 120 minutes. That doesn't suprise me. Fry's media costs are the highest I've seen anywhere, except during sales. I was quoting $6/60 minutes from their stock. Is their a drawback with longer lengths, like their is with fragility in cassette tape. Thanks. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Feb 19 14:13:41 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:13:41 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F73@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi all! Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with experience of Naks repair. My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant tape speed incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a speed adjustment (using a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again (usually higher). Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes long, whereafter a momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is perceived by ear as tape movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on during tens of seconds until it's "stabilized" again. What can in your opinion be the cause of such a fault? Dying capstan motor? Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or something? Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly appreciated. Many thanx in advance Nick P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% OK. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com Mon Feb 19 14:21:55 2001 From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:21:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: Hi All, I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's taking over as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about storage capacity and sound quality. Thanks Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the MD has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once the cassette is gone who knows what would become next. Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. I'm not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? > > Thanks. > > -jts > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 19 15:24:56 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:24:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: Message-ID: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> Hi Aaron, There's one thing certain about the market and the future of carrier formats at this time, and that is, nothing is certain. Back in '92, no-one would have believed that minidisc would survive and that DCC with it's backwards compatibility and superior sound (in every shoot-out I read) would not win the day. Now, more than ever, uncertainty is the name of the game. If what you say "it's all about quality" is true, them MP3 would be in the trash. It represents the absolute worst of psycoacoustic data compression. Even running at high rates, these is is not remotely hi-fi. So, Carlos, I agree with you, I also don't support it, for the main reason that I still have my hearing. Minidisc is considerably better yet the format upper frequency limitation is stricly 18 000hz (not very impressive, BX series Nakamichis are better than that). And dynamic range is limited. (70dB) No, these new formats are mostly not about quality, they are about convenience. They may have quiet backgrounds but that doesn't mean that what you're left with is good. DVD-Audio will be a quality carrier, I agree there, but try and find software......It's like hens teeth. The absence of pre-recorded software is what killed DCC. SACD seems to be better organised. But will there be a following? Time will tell. From examining consumer behaviour over the years, I think the public are becoming wary of this deluge of new formats. Solid stage storage is an interesting direction. One thing seems sure, unless the new (non-compressed) format is backwards compatible with the current CD, and much the same price as well, the consumer won't show his or her money. Cheers MARC Aaron Taylor wrote: > Hi All, > I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's taking over > as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about > storage capacity and sound quality. > > Thanks > Aaron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the MD > has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once the > cassette is gone who knows what would become next. > > Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. I'm > not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Small" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -jts > > > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Feb 19 17:06:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:06:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> <1dg09tc0ec436k74lleeehjhb3h30pq5d7@4ax.com> Message-ID: <001001c09a8d$eecaaca0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> No wonder why many CDR manufacturers are filling chapter 11 already ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > Fry's locally had them three weeks ago. Started out at $9.50 for a 50 spindle > and by Sun they were at $7.50. 750/50 = 15 cents each. I bought a bunch at > both prices. Plus many packs of jewel cases 10/$3... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Feb 19 17:08:24 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:08:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A8D41EF.8781A205@sunint.co.za> <001c01c09868$9b654560$76232ac4@coqui.net> <27st8t8coj9vkvr6f9gvfhh7v0dvfevl2i@4ax.com> <20010217215221.B14071@min.net> <001701c099ba$0c43a360$922f2ac4@coqui.net> <000a01c099dd$36239e60$8e232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <001601c09a8e$306da720$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> No, no as it was with the cassette. Many engineers use those because they can put the whole mix together with the tracks in one tape. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net Is their a > drawback with longer lengths, like their is with fragility in cassette tape. > > Thanks. > > -jts > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Feb 19 17:17:46 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:17:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> Very good point, Marc. To be honest, at this time, I don't really think DVD-A would be of much interest to John Q. Public. It is an audiophile issue who don't even represent 5% of the market. The public are very well happy with the CD and the numbers show it. Over 15 years of continuous grow and still climbing. I definetely see the replacing of VHS with DVD-5. Interesting point about DCC. No media, no consumer, no nothing. Same happens to DAT. Minidisc, well, it is just a matter of convenience as you said. Everything that has to do with data compression has no place in my dictionary of what good sound is. Cassette ? No body is investing in that development area anymore,so, "au revoir" to the oldest survivor of music's media ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Hi Aaron, > > There's one thing certain about the market and the future of carrier formats at this > time, and that is, nothing is certain. Back in '92, no-one would have believed that > minidisc would survive and that DCC with it's backwards compatibility and superior > sound (in every shoot-out I read) would not win the day. Now, more than ever, > uncertainty is the name of the game. If what you say "it's all about quality" is true, > them MP3 would be in the trash. It represents the absolute worst of psycoacoustic data > compression. Even running at high rates, these is is not remotely hi-fi. So, Carlos, > I agree with you, I also don't support it, for the main reason that I still have my > hearing. > > Minidisc is considerably better yet the format upper frequency limitation is stricly 18 > 000hz (not very impressive, BX series Nakamichis are better than that). And dynamic > range is limited. (70dB) No, these new formats are mostly not about quality, they are > about convenience. They may have quiet backgrounds but that doesn't mean that what > you're left with is good. > > DVD-Audio will be a quality carrier, I agree there, but try and find software......It's > like hens teeth. The absence of pre-recorded software is what killed DCC. SACD seems > to be better organised. But will there be a following? Time will tell. >From > examining consumer behaviour over the years, I think the public are becoming wary of > this deluge of new formats. Solid stage storage is an interesting direction. One > thing seems sure, unless the new (non-compressed) format is backwards compatible with > the current CD, and much the same price as well, the consumer won't show his or her > money. > > Cheers > > MARC > > Aaron Taylor wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's taking over > > as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about > > storage capacity and sound quality. > > > > Thanks > > Aaron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the MD > > has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once the > > cassette is gone who knows what would become next. > > > > Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. I'm > > not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Small" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what will? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -jts > > > > > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Feb 19 17:12:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:12:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <009601c09a8e$cf6f8640$2e021fac@brianm> Most of the new formats discussed in this *thread* I have never used and some I have and no knowledge of and I admit I do not follow the industry that close. I still use CD, cassette (very little) and now FM, (am I going backwards?). Anyways, I would just like to make a comment or two from a user standpoint. I would consider myslef more towards the audiophile side, where I would like the best sound possible. I find it interesting (or irritating) that they keep coming out with all these new formats that are to be so great and they have yet, to my knowledge, been able to surpasss the performace of vinyl! I am all for convience, this is why I do not own a turntable. I am happy with CD, I just wish standards were set as to the quality done in the recording. As for the recordable medium, it appears they are still struggling to outperform the cassette, except in some function. I never used DAT, but can't help but wonder if it could of been quite good. For that matter, how good would the cassette medium be today if R&D was still being done. There are still a lot of cassette decks in homes, whether cheap or good, and a lot of stuff being recorded on to cassette as far as the spoken word. So I cannot see it going away overnight. Cars are now coming standard with CD instead of cassette, although it is an option. It's the younger generation that doesn't use cassette. CD is in almost every home so I don't see it going anywhere fast and I hope not as I have thousands into my player. Maybe if the industry would just perfect what they have instead of trying to create something new or make greater standards with what they have. It was mentioned that VCR is the next to go, again, I hope not as I have a very nice VCR that does an awesome job. Not to mention they are in every home. Maybe some of these new formats are better, but it sure costs a lot to change over! And for what, it appears function is at times better, but not performance. Anyway, just my thoughts. Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Very good point, Marc. To be honest, at this time, I don't really think > DVD-A would be of much interest to John Q. Public. It is an audiophile issue > who don't even represent 5% of the market. The public are very well happy > with the CD and the numbers show it. Over 15 years of continuous grow and > still climbing. I definetely see the replacing of VHS with DVD-5. > > Interesting point about DCC. No media, no consumer, no nothing. Same happens > to DAT. Minidisc, well, it is just a matter of convenience as you said. > Everything that has to do with data compression has no place in my > dictionary of what good sound is. > > Cassette ? No body is investing in that development area anymore,so, "au > revoir" to the oldest survivor of music's media ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > There's one thing certain about the market and the future of carrier > formats at this > > time, and that is, nothing is certain. Back in '92, no-one would have > believed that > > minidisc would survive and that DCC with it's backwards compatibility and > superior > > sound (in every shoot-out I read) would not win the day. Now, more than > ever, > > uncertainty is the name of the game. If what you say "it's all about > quality" is true, > > them MP3 would be in the trash. It represents the absolute worst of > psycoacoustic data > > compression. Even running at high rates, these is is not remotely hi-fi. > So, Carlos, > > I agree with you, I also don't support it, for the main reason that I > still have my > > hearing. > > > > Minidisc is considerably better yet the format upper frequency limitation > is stricly 18 > > 000hz (not very impressive, BX series Nakamichis are better than that). > And dynamic > > range is limited. (70dB) No, these new formats are mostly not about > quality, they are > > about convenience. They may have quiet backgrounds but that doesn't mean > that what > > you're left with is good. > > > > DVD-Audio will be a quality carrier, I agree there, but try and find > software......It's > > like hens teeth. The absence of pre-recorded software is what killed DCC. > SACD seems > > to be better organised. But will there be a following? Time will tell. > From > > examining consumer behaviour over the years, I think the public are > becoming wary of > > this deluge of new formats. Solid stage storage is an interesting > direction. One > > thing seems sure, unless the new (non-compressed) format is backwards > compatible with > > the current CD, and much the same price as well, the consumer won't show > his or her > > money. > > > > Cheers > > > > MARC > > > > Aaron Taylor wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's taking > over > > > as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about > > > storage capacity and sound quality. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Aaron > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the > MD > > > has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once > the > > > cassette is gone who knows what would become next. > > > > > > Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. > I'm > > > not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Small" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what > will? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -jts > > > > > > > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 05:53:17 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:53:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F73@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001601c09a2f$e22cc860$181a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, IF the potensio is outside motor ... I'd say it sounds very much like a dirty pot which needs general left-right whack. However, this would be my first time seeing such motor pot go bad (I have limited experience but almost always with problematic or beat-up decks ! :-) Other than that, Nak gurus might be the cure ... esp. if tape path and reel transport / idler also ok. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > Hi all! > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with experience of Naks repair. > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant tape speed > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a speed adjustment (using > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again (usually higher). > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes long, whereafter a > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is perceived by ear as tape > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on during tens of seconds > until it's "stabilized" again. > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a fault? Dying capstan motor? > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or something? > > Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly appreciated. > > Many thanx in advance > > Nick > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% OK. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Feb 20 23:36:35 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:36:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> <009601c09a8e$cf6f8640$2e021fac@brianm> Message-ID: I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R are not faithful copies, in my demanding ears. One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a simplification of the acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance tonal slightly modified (it seems that this balance changes according to the burner or CPU base). And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode laser has a time of ascent (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the speed in which you decide to burn. In it, know that has pit burned is really vague with regard to those of the CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of recording will be big, the more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to it all the errors of reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at the end of chain, after mechanical imperfections during the recording, anything of amazing to hear your CD player working with his controller of error trying to recreate a truth which has nothing of digital. Here is of what reflect about the copy of a digital media uncompressed! I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I greet what used to be the cassette. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Feb 19 22:28:55 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:28:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <003b01c09aba$f7de27e0$b78ee2c3@a9u3z8> Having taken a keen interest in recording formats over the years, I always try to keep abreast of developments. Apart from making cassette compilations for the car, my main source now is FM radio. As a lover of classical music, the (relatively) short playing time of cassette has always been a problem (would have loved a 680, but never got one). The same limitations apply to CDR and minidisc. Fortunately I have a Pioneer D500 DAT deck, which is great for operas and whole concerts, especially in LP mode. I can then edit it on to CDR. I'm not keen on minidisc as I don't like the idea of compression formats where music is concerned (the same applied to DCC). I think the future will be spil between convenience formats like MP3, minidisc and audiophile formats which have evolved from the good old CD. Cassette is dying, but having a large collection of tapes from a number of sources, I am seriously considering buying a Dragon! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Very good point, Marc. To be honest, at this time, I don't really think > DVD-A would be of much interest to John Q. Public. It is an audiophile issue > who don't even represent 5% of the market. The public are very well happy > with the CD and the numbers show it. Over 15 years of continuous grow and > still climbing. I definetely see the replacing of VHS with DVD-5. > > Interesting point about DCC. No media, no consumer, no nothing. Same happens > to DAT. Minidisc, well, it is just a matter of convenience as you said. > Everything that has to do with data compression has no place in my > dictionary of what good sound is. > > Cassette ? No body is investing in that development area anymore,so, "au > revoir" to the oldest survivor of music's media ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > There's one thing certain about the market and the future of carrier > formats at this > > time, and that is, nothing is certain. Back in '92, no-one would have > believed that > > minidisc would survive and that DCC with it's backwards compatibility and > superior > > sound (in every shoot-out I read) would not win the day. Now, more than > ever, > > uncertainty is the name of the game. If what you say "it's all about > quality" is true, > > them MP3 would be in the trash. It represents the absolute worst of > psycoacoustic data > > compression. Even running at high rates, these is is not remotely hi-fi. > So, Carlos, > > I agree with you, I also don't support it, for the main reason that I > still have my > > hearing. > > > > Minidisc is considerably better yet the format upper frequency limitation > is stricly 18 > > 000hz (not very impressive, BX series Nakamichis are better than that). > And dynamic > > range is limited. (70dB) No, these new formats are mostly not about > quality, they are > > about convenience. They may have quiet backgrounds but that doesn't mean > that what > > you're left with is good. > > > > DVD-Audio will be a quality carrier, I agree there, but try and find > software......It's > > like hens teeth. The absence of pre-recorded software is what killed DCC. > SACD seems > > to be better organised. But will there be a following? Time will tell. > From > > examining consumer behaviour over the years, I think the public are > becoming wary of > > this deluge of new formats. Solid stage storage is an interesting > direction. One > > thing seems sure, unless the new (non-compressed) format is backwards > compatible with > > the current CD, and much the same price as well, the consumer won't show > his or her > > money. > > > > Cheers > > > > MARC > > > > Aaron Taylor wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's taking > over > > > as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about > > > storage capacity and sound quality. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Aaron > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, the > MD > > > has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once > the > > > cassette is gone who knows what would become next. > > > > > > Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those things. > I'm > > > not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Small" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what > will? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -jts > > > > > > > > PS. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Feb 19 21:01:12 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:01:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F77@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanx Salim! When I first time noticed the speed "float" I, just like you, suspected the resistor, that in the case of 480Z is built in into the motor shell. I turned it from left to right and vice versa several times suspecting some dirt or grease there, but it didn't help :( Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:salimarz at yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 8:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > Hi Nick, > > IF the potensio is outside motor ... I'd say it sounds very much like a > dirty pot which needs general left-right whack. However, this would be my > first time seeing such motor pot go bad (I have limited experience but > almost always with problematic or beat-up decks ! :-) > > Other than that, Nak gurus might be the cure ... esp. if tape path and > reel > transport / idler also ok. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 8:13 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > > Hi all! > > > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with experience of Naks repair. > > > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant tape speed > > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a speed adjustment > (using > > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again (usually higher). > > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes long, whereafter a > > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is perceived by ear as tape > > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on during tens of > seconds > > until it's "stabilized" again. > > > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a fault? Dying capstan > motor? > > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or something? > > > > Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly appreciated. > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > Nick > > > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% OK. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Feb 20 08:12:26 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:12:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <3A9218D9.B93BEC31@sunint.co.za> Good morning Carlos, Brian, Aaron and Naks gang, I was just thinking last evening (this could get me arrested) and it occurred to me that three of the major 'raisons d'etre' for the prior poplularity of cassette was that: 1. You couldn't play LPs in the car, so people would purchase a home recorder to listen to their albums - on cassette-while driving. Now they listen to their CDs in the car. No need to record anything, not even on minidisc/CD-R. 2. People were concerned about wear and tear of repeated playing of their treasured records, so they recorded a reference copy to cassette tape and archived the album. I know plenty of folks who did that. 3. Again the mobile market, now more the domain of mobile CD and minidisc players, was cassette, with tapes being recorded at home and then played back while jogging, cycling, or at the gym etc. At least some people will be content to play pre-recorded CDs and Minidiscs, and not have to splash out and buy a home recording device, unless their portable happens to record too. So, when the question is asked, whats the recording medium of the future going to be for the average person, I think it matters less than it did. Sure you're going to get the occasional fellow who wants to make a pirate copy of an album or is archiving their LP collection to CD-R. But most of them had just finished replacing their collection of LPs with CDs before the advent of affordable CD-R and RW machines. I know quite a few people who have bought CD-R/RW decks and are hardly using them, except for ordinary CD payback. All in all, I see a future with less need to record music at all. Just a thought, and I'm sure, unoriginal! Carlos, I read the other day of one of the majors, Ludlum or Clancy (I may be wrong) that you can log on to their website and for a fee (secure paypal or whatever) download the whole darn book. I think this is as the written word though, not read by a professional actor. I may be wrong though. How is this side of the market affecting you. Are they in fact MP3 files? I always thought that book-on-tape accommodates that inate human factor of us wanting to 'hug things'. I have quite a few of them and they give the same pleasure as owning a book....whereas, having the book, even in the spoken word, somewhere on my ******* hard drive is no-where near the same feeling. Enough pontification for today. I think I'll make a nice analogue recording tonight from vinyl only, and offend that evil eye. All the best MARC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcel-lafreniere at Home.com Mon Feb 19 18:10:19 2001 From: marcel-lafreniere at Home.com (Marcel Lafreniere) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:10:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> <009601c09a8e$cf6f8640$2e021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001301c09a96$d6c85900$27324218@wptc1.mb.wave.home.com> Hi All, I have only been on board for a short time now but I am inserting my two cents. Brian, you have to see and hear a DVD to really appreciate it, not to mention the elimination of the rewinding annoyance. The trade-off is an media that is very sensitive to scratches and dirt and forces you to view certain things on the disc. On a slightly different topic; I have an very nice Pioneer CT-F (910 I think) lurking in my crawlspace right next to my Nak 1000II (damaged case but working) that I am considering selling, what should I be asking? The Pioneer is in great shape in it's original box and the Nak has scratches on the handles, no wooden case, and the flip up door above the cassette deck door takes some effort to close. The Nak box was lost to basement flooding, fortunately the Nak was in service at the time and stayed dry. I enjoy the discussions in this forum and was wondering if it was worthy of becoming a group on Usenet where threads could be read or skipped at the readers leisure - just a thought. Keep up the good work all, Marcel Lafreniere Telecommunications Technician Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada marcel-lafreniere at home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Most of the new formats discussed in this *thread* I have never used and > some I have and no knowledge of and I admit I do not follow the industry > that close. I still use CD, cassette (very little) and now FM, (am I going > backwards?). > > Anyways, I would just like to make a comment or two from a user standpoint. > I would consider myslef more towards the audiophile side, where I would like > the best sound possible. I find it interesting (or irritating) that they > keep coming out with all these new formats that are to be so great and they > have yet, to my knowledge, been able to surpasss the performace of vinyl! I > am all for convience, this is why I do not own a turntable. I am happy with > CD, I just wish standards were set as to the quality done in the recording. > > As for the recordable medium, it appears they are still struggling to > outperform the cassette, except in some function. I never used DAT, but > can't help but wonder if it could of been quite good. For that matter, how > good would the cassette medium be today if R&D was still being done. There > are still a lot of cassette decks in homes, whether cheap or good, and a lot > of stuff being recorded on to cassette as far as the spoken word. So I > cannot see it going away overnight. > > Cars are now coming standard with CD instead of cassette, although it is an > option. It's the younger generation that doesn't use cassette. CD is in > almost every home so I don't see it going anywhere fast and I hope not as I > have thousands into my player. > > Maybe if the industry would just perfect what they have instead of trying to > create something new or make greater standards with what they have. > > It was mentioned that VCR is the next to go, again, I hope not as I have a > very nice VCR that does an awesome job. Not to mention they are in every > home. Maybe some of these new formats are better, but it sure costs a lot > to change over! And for what, it appears function is at times better, but > not performance. > > Anyway, just my thoughts. > Brian Miller > Michigan > > God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still > sinners, Christ died for us. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > Very good point, Marc. To be honest, at this time, I don't really think > > DVD-A would be of much interest to John Q. Public. It is an audiophile > issue > > who don't even represent 5% of the market. The public are very well happy > > with the CD and the numbers show it. Over 15 years of continuous grow and > > still climbing. I definetely see the replacing of VHS with DVD-5. > > > > Interesting point about DCC. No media, no consumer, no nothing. Same > happens > > to DAT. Minidisc, well, it is just a matter of convenience as you said. > > Everything that has to do with data compression has no place in my > > dictionary of what good sound is. > > > > Cassette ? No body is investing in that development area anymore,so, "au > > revoir" to the oldest survivor of music's media ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > > > There's one thing certain about the market and the future of carrier > > formats at this > > > time, and that is, nothing is certain. Back in '92, no-one would have > > believed that > > > minidisc would survive and that DCC with it's backwards compatibility > and > > superior > > > sound (in every shoot-out I read) would not win the day. Now, more than > > ever, > > > uncertainty is the name of the game. If what you say "it's all about > > quality" is true, > > > them MP3 would be in the trash. It represents the absolute worst of > > psycoacoustic data > > > compression. Even running at high rates, these is is not remotely > hi-fi. > > So, Carlos, > > > I agree with you, I also don't support it, for the main reason that I > > still have my > > > hearing. > > > > > > Minidisc is considerably better yet the format upper frequency > limitation > > is stricly 18 > > > 000hz (not very impressive, BX series Nakamichis are better than that). > > And dynamic > > > range is limited. (70dB) No, these new formats are mostly not about > > quality, they are > > > about convenience. They may have quiet backgrounds but that doesn't > mean > > that what > > > you're left with is good. > > > > > > DVD-Audio will be a quality carrier, I agree there, but try and find > > software......It's > > > like hens teeth. The absence of pre-recorded software is what killed > DCC. > > SACD seems > > > to be better organised. But will there be a following? Time will tell. > > From > > > examining consumer behaviour over the years, I think the public are > > becoming wary of > > > this deluge of new formats. Solid stage storage is an interesting > > direction. One > > > thing seems sure, unless the new (non-compressed) format is backwards > > compatible with > > > the current CD, and much the same price as well, the consumer won't show > > his or her > > > money. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > MARC > > > > > > Aaron Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am sad to see the cassette replaced!!! :( But I see MP3's > taking > > over > > > > as the new format with DVD AUDIO replacing the CD. It is all about > > > > storage capacity and sound quality. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:39 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > > As far as I can see, nothing would replace the cassette. Until now, > the > > MD > > > > has not fill the vacant and the expectations of the industry. So, once > > the > > > > cassette is gone who knows what would become next. > > > > > > > > Industry giants bet on transmitted music like the MP3 and those > things. > > I'm > > > > not an advocate of that but everything is driving us towards it. > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Small" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:46 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:20 -0500, "Carlos" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Mini disc ? No way Jose. It will never soar to higher levels. > > > > > > > > > > Short question ... assuming MiniDisc does not replace cassette, what > > will? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > -jts > > > > > > > > > > PS. I use MD and enjoy its flexibility greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 06:47:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:47:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: Carlos, Don't forget the very powerful motivating factor called profit. On average, the CD we buy from our local store costs the music company anywhere from $. 25-$1.00 to create and distribute. Add the necessary profit for the distributors (e.g. whom are all owned by the record companies), and the profit the local music store makes, and you can see that the overhead is excessive. And, you'll pay anywhere from $16.99 - $19.99 for something you can create yourself for a few dollars at home. Just my two cents... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 21 00:01:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:01:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> <009601c09a8e$cf6f8640$2e021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3A92F743.247CA58F@concentric.net> Matyas wrote: > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R are not faithful copies, > in my demanding ears. > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a simplification of the > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance tonal slightly modified > (it seems that this balance changes according to the burner or CPU base). > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode laser has a time of ascent > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the speed in which you decide > to burn. > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague with regard to those of the > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of recording will be big, the > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to it all the errors of > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at the end of chain, after > mechanical imperfections during the recording, anything of amazing to hear > your CD player working with his controller of error trying to recreate a > truth which has nothing of digital. > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a digital media uncompressed! > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I greet what used to be the > cassette. > > Matyas Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns of the day. As to your view of CD recordings, I have to disagree. Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the original. If this were not so, then no program would run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can easily cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of by the error correction built into the CD specification. In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: those that are absolutely identical to the source and those that are bad and should be replaced. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 06:42:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:42:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: I don't want to see the cassette disappear either. Although I enjoy creating digital music and recording digitally, for me nothing sounds as good as a well made analog recording. And, especially those made with the NAK CR-7. Having done some DJ work in the past, I have to admit that .wav files are much easier to edit and "play" with than regular albums or tapes. And, it is nice to do with software and a PC what use to take racks of very expensive equipment. And, I do like MP3's instead of Walkman's for exercising and traveling. However, we're not there yet on the MP3 front and removable memory. One thing we can all do is to write companies like Maxell and inform them of our desire to see the cassette media continue. Many companies view letters from consumers as more important than other communication methods. Something to think about. Long live Nakamichi and analog recordings! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:40:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:40:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of Cassettes discussion continued... Message-ID: <14.fe755da.27c36b67@aol.com> For those of you who want to learn more about the future of MP3's, check out this review from the CES: http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/ces2000/story/0,23008,2420117,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 08:10:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:10:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassettes... Message-ID: <47.7a3abe3.27c37263@aol.com> Since we are reminiscing, here's a good 'ole analog standby for sale... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1410431155 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1216225809 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214696508 (I came very close to purchasing one of these back in 1987...) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:09:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:09:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <11.1001a65a.27c36415@aol.com> I also like the storage capacity, but I think it's all about money. New recordable CD-R media translates into new drives and players to purchase. New recordable DVD translates into new players, computers, software, and even TV's to purchase. This "cycle" will not stop, it's actually an old game. Again, as long as I can use my NAK I can live with it. It would be a shame to after 10 years finally get a Dragon and CR-7 only to find recordable cassette tapes very expensive and nearly extinct. :-( Thanks for the conversation. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:51:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:51:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] The future of cassettes continued... Message-ID: For those of you interested in learning more about MP3's, courtesy of techtv.com. Enjoy! -Sam PS Don't download anything less than 128 bits despite what techtv says. In fact, try to locate files encoded at 192 bits. MP3 FAQ's: Bitrate is the average number of bits that one second of audio data will consume. Standard MP3 bitrates are 64 Kbps (kilobits per second), 96 Kbps, 128 Kbps, and 160 Kbps. Different bitrates yield MP3s of varying sound quality. The higher the bitrate, the more times per second the original sound is sampled, thus yielding a more faithful reproduction and better sound. When choosing an MP3, weigh the advantage of a higher bitrate against the size of the file. Generally speaking, a bitrate of 128 kbps or higher will yield satisfactory sound quality. 160 Kbps MP3s encoded at 160 Kbps have a 9:1 compression ratio. One minute of music will equal approximately 1.5MB of disk space. For this setting, expect CD-quality files. 128 Kbps MP3s encoded at 128 Kbps have an 11:1 compression ratio. One minute of music will equal approximately 1MB of disk space. For this setting, expect CD-quality files. 96 Kbps MP3s encoded at 96 Kbps have a 15:1 compression ratio. One minute of music will equal approximately 700KB of disk space. For this setting, expect near CD-quality files. 64 Kbps MP3s encoded at 64 Kbps have a 15:1 compression ratio. One minute of music will equal approximately 400KB of disk space. For this setting, expect FM radio-quality files. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 19:59:00 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:59:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F73@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010219185900.7502.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> It sounds like the capstan motor could be bad, for sure. But you can check a couple of other things first. The most likely alternative is hardening grease, on both the pinch roller axles, and the pinch arm pivot shafts. Second would be wear/scoring of the "self-lubricating" capstan bearings & shafts. Check for scoring of the shafts at the bearing areas. Polish out the scoring & apply a little straight SAE30 motor oil & see how it does. If no improvement with the above issues addressed, the motor is likely bad. --- Igritski Nick wrote: > Hi all! > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with > experience of Naks repair. > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant > tape speed > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a > speed adjustment (using > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again > (usually higher). > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes > long, whereafter a > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is > perceived by ear as tape > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on > during tens of seconds > until it's "stabilized" again. > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a > fault? Dying capstan motor? > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or > something? > > Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly > appreciated. > > Many thanx in advance > > Nick > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% > OK. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:15:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:15:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: PS With all of this talk about digital media and the future of recordable cassettes, how do you all feel about Napster? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:01:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:01:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <8e.11584c67.27c3621e@aol.com> Hi John, Your points are well taken. However, I find the ability and ease of distributing music over the Internet via downloaded MP3's or via streaming MP3's to be a serious threat to the music industry. The money in the industry is in distribution, and this new or novelty of distributed music via MP3's and the Internet poses a serious threat to this old monopoly. And, although we all agree that a 128-bit recorded MP3, even those that are encoded correctly are not "high-fidelity," at 190-bits per second they do match most commercial-grade prerecorded cassette tapes and minidisks. I think this is here to stay, and as broadband connectivity becomes ubiquitous via cable or DSL modems, we will only see the MP3 standards move from 128-bits to 192-bits to eventually 256 kilobits per second. And, at 256 kilobits you have a very nice digital recording. Is it as "sweet" to listen to as a NAK CR-7, ZX-9 or 1000 ZXL, or Revox B215, Teac R919X recording? No, but it does seem that the "digital domain" the consumer mass market is here to stay. And that's fine as long as I can use my NAK 10 years from now and still purchase quality cassettes at reasonable prices. Even the new automobiles feature CD players as standard equipment and most cassette players as optional. Too bad...and I still have and enjoy my turntable...do you remember what those were? (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 00:48:02 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:48:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <3A92F743.247CA58F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. There are a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. Even in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical jitter, i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) CD transport in the burner will produce a small to large change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC chips in the playback device. Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by jitter. The reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb chain are rarely adequate to come close to elinating jitter artifacts. When going from an analog source to CD, the second contributor to bad sound is the quality of the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or dedicated audio CD recorder) that has what I would consider even adequate ADC electronics. --- Ron wrote: > Matyas wrote: > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R > are not faithful copies, > > in my demanding ears. > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a > simplification of the > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance > tonal slightly modified > > (it seems that this balance changes according to > the burner or CPU base). > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode > laser has a time of ascent > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the > speed in which you decide > > to burn. > > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague > with regard to those of the > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of > recording will be big, the > > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to > it all the errors of > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at > the end of chain, after > > mechanical imperfections during the recording, > anything of amazing to hear > > your CD player working with his controller of > error trying to recreate a > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > digital media uncompressed! > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I > greet what used to be the > > cassette. > > > > Matyas > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns > of the day. > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > disagree. > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > original. If this were not so, then no program would > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can > easily > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > by the error correction built into the CD > specification. > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > those that are absolutely identical to the source > and those that are bad and should be replaced. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 20 07:06:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:06:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: FYI...ending on Tuesday Office Max has 200 CD-R's for what is essentially free. Normally $59.00, plus instant in-store rebate of $14.99, plus a mail-in rebate of $45.00. That's a great deal!!! And, CompUSA at least once every 5-8 weeks places their store-brand CD-R spindles of 50 on sale for $9.99. Although we all like cassettes, the prices for recordable CD-R continue to drop. And, with the introduction of the new line of MACs, recordable DVD is sure to be a huge hit later this year. What ever happened to the good 'ole days of an album, alcohol and needle brush, a good cassette deck, huge speakers like furniture, and a Maxell cassette with a label you wrote using a black ink marker...I must be getting old. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Feb 21 01:24:17 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:24:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <11.1001a65a.27c36415@aol.com> Message-ID: <006901c09b9c$a15e7720$d58ee2c3@a9u3z8> Yes, I agree. It's hard to justify getting an expensive cassette deck, even second-hand when it seems to be a dying medium. But I still have around 450 cassettes, some of them 20 years old and still playing fine. I don't feel like just junking the lot and want to hear them at their best. The main problem I see long term is serviceability as the machines get older. Cheers, Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > I also like the storage capacity, but I think it's all about money. New > recordable CD-R media translates into new drives and players to purchase. > New recordable DVD translates into new players, computers, software, and even > TV's to purchase. This "cycle" will not stop, it's actually an old game. > Again, as long as I can use my NAK I can live with it. It would be a shame > to after 10 years finally get a Dragon and CR-7 only to find recordable > cassette tapes very expensive and nearly extinct. :-( Thanks for the > conversation. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 21 01:28:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:28:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. There are > a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. Jitter is a red herring... Simple (no, trivial) reclocking (that is universally used by even the cheapest of equipment) eliminates it. In any case, jitter is a transmission effect. There is no jitter in recording. > Even > in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical jitter, > i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) CD > transport in the burner will produce a small to large > change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC chips > in the playback device. Well, I maintain that identical digital files should (and do) sound identical. If you agree with that, what's the point of listing why the sound *should* be different, when copied files are demonstrateably identical to the source, time after time after time after time? I back up my machine onto CD-RWs (over 30,000 files per full backup) and can't recall when I ever had a bad file copy. If (and that's a huge 'if') a copy does sound different, then it's due to some external reason (e.g., the player may have higher error rate when reading CD-Rs) or the listener expects degradation and therefore 'hears' it. > Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, > Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by jitter. The > reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb chain > are rarely adequate to come close to elinating jitter > artifacts. I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove jitter. I base this statement on many years of experience in digital communication systems design. > When going from an analog source to CD, > the second contributor to bad sound is the quality of > the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter > circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or dedicated > audio CD recorder) that has what I would consider even > adequate ADC electronics. Agreed, but that's a different story. We were discussing digital to digital copies. Once you venture into the analog domain, then, yes, there is a myriad of things that can (and often, does) degrade the sound. -- Ron > --- Ron wrote: > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R > > are not faithful copies, > > > in my demanding ears. > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a > > simplification of the > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance > > tonal slightly modified > > > (it seems that this balance changes according to > > the burner or CPU base). > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode > > laser has a time of ascent > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the > > speed in which you decide > > > to burn. > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague > > with regard to those of the > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of > > recording will be big, the > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to > > it all the errors of > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at > > the end of chain, after > > > mechanical imperfections during the recording, > > anything of amazing to hear > > > your CD player working with his controller of > > error trying to recreate a > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > > digital media uncompressed! > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I > > greet what used to be the > > > cassette. > > > > > > Matyas > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns > > of the day. > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > > disagree. > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > > original. If this were not so, then no program would > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can > > easily > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > > by the error correction built into the CD > > specification. > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > > those that are absolutely identical to the source > > and those that are bad and should be replaced. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Feb 21 05:02:54 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:02:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A9218D9.B93BEC31@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <003d01c09bbb$2b4b03e0$bd2f2ac4@coqui.net> Nice essay my dear friend. I was one of those who played the LP once and then just listened to my cassette copy who always sounded much better than the pre-recorded ones. MP 3 is not affecting the spoken word tape yet. As a matter of fact; last year the spoken word material on tape raised its figures substantially. Anyway, I agree with all your 3 points. Bravo ! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Good morning Carlos, Brian, Aaron and Naks gang, > > I was just thinking last evening (this could get me arrested) and it > occurred to me that three of the major 'raisons d'etre' for the prior > poplularity of cassette was that: > > 1. You couldn't play LPs in the car, so people would purchase a home > recorder to listen to their albums - on cassette-while driving. Now they > listen to their CDs in the car. No need to record anything, not even on > minidisc/CD-R. > > 2. People were concerned about wear and tear of repeated playing of > their treasured records, so they recorded a reference copy to cassette > tape and archived the album. I know plenty of folks who did that. > > 3. Again the mobile market, now more the domain of mobile CD and > minidisc players, was cassette, with tapes being recorded at home and > then played back while jogging, cycling, or at the gym etc. At least > some people will be content to play pre-recorded CDs and Minidiscs, and > not have to splash out and buy a home recording device, unless their > portable happens to record too. > > So, when the question is asked, whats the recording medium of the future > going to be for the average person, I think it matters less than it > did. Sure you're going to get the occasional fellow who wants to make a > pirate copy of an album or is archiving their LP collection to CD-R. > But most of them had just finished replacing their collection of LPs > with CDs before the advent of affordable CD-R and RW machines. I know > quite a few people who have bought CD-R/RW decks and are hardly using > them, except for ordinary CD payback. > > All in all, I see a future with less need to record music at all. > > Just a thought, and I'm sure, unoriginal! > > Carlos, I read the other day of one of the majors, Ludlum or Clancy (I > may be wrong) that you can log on to their website and for a fee (secure > paypal or whatever) download the whole darn book. I think this is as > the written word though, not read by a professional actor. I may be > wrong though. How is this side of the market affecting you. Are they > in fact MP3 files? I always thought that book-on-tape accommodates that > inate human factor of us wanting to 'hug things'. I have quite a few of > them and they give the same pleasure as owning a book....whereas, having > the book, even in the spoken word, somewhere on my ******* hard drive is > no-where near the same feeling. > > Enough pontification for today. I think I'll make a nice analogue > recording tonight from vinyl only, and offend that evil eye. > > All the best > > MARC > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Feb 21 05:26:14 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:26:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005601c09bbe$6d868d80$bd2f2ac4@coqui.net> Ahh, excuse me, but in these points Ron is right and I have to agree with him. Jitter is simply corrected by a simple external clock device and it's not cummulative. Well, some others testify that jitter is cummulative from copy to copy. I simply doubt it. Sometimes the differences you can hear, if any, are due to drive/disc discrepancies were BLER is too high due to physical properties. Otherwise, a CD to CD copy is simply a clone, not a "copy" in a sense. Jitter is time-base error and it's caused by varying time delays in the circuit paths from component to component in the signal path. The 2 most common causes of jitter are poorly designed PLL and waveform distortion. (PLL= Phase Locked Loops). The audible effect of Jitter is a possible loss of low level resolution, phantom tones and distortion. Increased grain in the image and reduced soundstage is also observed but these are very subjective. best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. There are > > a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. > > Jitter is a red herring... Simple (no, trivial) > reclocking (that is universally used by even the > cheapest of equipment) eliminates it. > > In any case, jitter is a transmission effect. There is > no jitter in recording. > > > Even > > in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical jitter, > > i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) CD > > transport in the burner will produce a small to large > > change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC chips > > in the playback device. > > Well, I maintain that identical digital files should > (and do) sound identical. If you agree with that, what's > the point of listing why the sound *should* be different, > when copied files are demonstrateably identical to the > source, time after time after time after time? I back up > my machine onto CD-RWs (over 30,000 files per full backup) > and can't recall when I ever had a bad file copy. > > If (and that's a huge 'if') a copy does sound different, > then it's due to some external reason (e.g., the player > may have higher error rate when reading CD-Rs) or the > listener expects degradation and therefore 'hears' it. > > > Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, > > Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by jitter. The > > reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb chain > > are rarely adequate to come close to elinating jitter > > artifacts. > > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove jitter. > I base this statement on many years of experience in > digital communication systems design. > > > When going from an analog source to CD, > > the second contributor to bad sound is the quality of > > the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter > > circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or dedicated > > audio CD recorder) that has what I would consider even > > adequate ADC electronics. > > Agreed, but that's a different story. We were discussing > digital to digital copies. Once you venture into the > analog domain, then, yes, there is a myriad of things > that can (and often, does) degrade the sound. > > -- Ron > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R > > > are not faithful copies, > > > > in my demanding ears. > > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a > > > simplification of the > > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance > > > tonal slightly modified > > > > (it seems that this balance changes according to > > > the burner or CPU base). > > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode > > > laser has a time of ascent > > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the > > > speed in which you decide > > > > to burn. > > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague > > > with regard to those of the > > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of > > > recording will be big, the > > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to > > > it all the errors of > > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at > > > the end of chain, after > > > > mechanical imperfections during the recording, > > > anything of amazing to hear > > > > your CD player working with his controller of > > > error trying to recreate a > > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > > > digital media uncompressed! > > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I > > > greet what used to be the > > > > cassette. > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns > > > of the day. > > > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > > > disagree. > > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > > > original. If this were not so, then no program would > > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can > > > easily > > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > > > by the error correction built into the CD > > > specification. > > > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > > > those that are absolutely identical to the source > > > and those that are bad and should be replaced. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ===== > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 07:13:16 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:13:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <005601c09bbe$6d868d80$bd2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <20010221061316.6444.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Beg to differ, Carlos. In my working situation, I have had numerous opportunities to hear marked differences between transports, digital cables & reclocking devices, and I can say with absolute confidence that enough jitter remains in even the best of these to have a significant impact on the sound. Even my own Museatex BiDAT D/A converter, with just about the best reclocking in the world built in(2ps peak), is affected to some extent by different transports & cables. --- Carlos wrote: > Ahh, excuse me, but in these points Ron is right and > I have to agree with > him. Jitter is simply corrected by a simple external > clock device and it's > not cummulative. Well, some others testify that > jitter is cummulative from > copy to copy. I simply doubt it. Sometimes the > differences you can hear, if > any, are due to drive/disc discrepancies were BLER > is too high due to > physical properties. Otherwise, a CD to CD copy is > simply a clone, not a > "copy" in a sense. > > Jitter is time-base error and it's caused by varying > time delays in the > circuit paths from component to component in the > signal path. The 2 most > common causes of jitter are poorly designed PLL and > waveform distortion. > (PLL= Phase Locked Loops). > > The audible effect of Jitter is a possible loss of > low level resolution, > phantom tones and distortion. Increased grain in the > image and reduced > soundstage is also observed but these are very > subjective. > > best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. > There are > > > a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. > > > > Jitter is a red herring... Simple (no, trivial) > > reclocking (that is universally used by even the > > cheapest of equipment) eliminates it. > > > > In any case, jitter is a transmission effect. > There is > > no jitter in recording. > > > > > Even > > > in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical > jitter, > > > i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) > CD > > > transport in the burner will produce a small to > large > > > change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC > chips > > > in the playback device. > > > > Well, I maintain that identical digital files > should > > (and do) sound identical. If you agree with that, > what's > > the point of listing why the sound *should* be > different, > > when copied files are demonstrateably identical to > the > > source, time after time after time after time? I > back up > > my machine onto CD-RWs (over 30,000 files per full > backup) > > and can't recall when I ever had a bad file copy. > > > > If (and that's a huge 'if') a copy does sound > different, > > then it's due to some external reason (e.g., the > player > > may have higher error rate when reading CD-Rs) or > the > > listener expects degradation and therefore 'hears' > it. > > > > > Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, > > > Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by > jitter. The > > > reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb > chain > > > are rarely adequate to come close to elinating > jitter > > > artifacts. > > > > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove > jitter. > > I base this statement on many years of experience > in > > digital communication systems design. > > > > > When going from an analog source to CD, > > > the second contributor to bad sound is the > quality of > > > the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter > > > circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or > dedicated > > > audio CD recorder) that has what I would > consider even > > > adequate ADC electronics. > > > > Agreed, but that's a different story. We were > discussing > > digital to digital copies. Once you venture into > the > > analog domain, then, yes, there is a myriad of > things > > that can (and often, does) degrade the sound. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even > CD-R > > > > are not faithful copies, > > > > > in my demanding ears. > > > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice > easily a > > > > simplification of the > > > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a > balance > > > > tonal slightly modified > > > > > (it seems that this balance changes > according to > > > > the burner or CPU base). > > > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one > diode > > > > laser has a time of ascent > > > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent > from the > > > > speed in which you decide > > > > > to burn. > > > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really > vague > > > > with regard to those of the > > > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the > speed of > > > > recording will be big, the > > > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. > Join to > > > > it all the errors of > > > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the > CD, at > > > > the end of chain, after > > > > > mechanical imperfections during the > recording, > > > > anything of amazing to hear > > > > > your CD player working with his controller > of > > > > error trying to recreate a > > > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > > > > digital media uncompressed! > > > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February > and I > > > > greet what used to be the > > > > > cassette. > > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy > returns > > > > of the day. > > > > > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > > > > disagree. > > > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to > the > > > > original. If this were not so, then no program > would > > > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error > can > > > > easily > > > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they > all > > > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken > care of > > > > by the error correction built into the CD > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD > copies: > > > > those that are absolutely identical to the > source > === message truncated === ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Feb 21 10:26:51 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:26:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <3A912CB7.2DAE658D@sunint.co.za> <002001c09a8f$7f899de0$5b2f2ac4@coqui.net> <009601c09a8e$cf6f8640$2e021fac@brianm> <3A92F743.247CA58F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <012301c09be8$7031be40$0100007f@localhost> Hi Ron, > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to disagree. > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > original. If this were not so, then no program would > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can easily > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > by the error correction built into the CD specification. Huh! Do you know that _EACH_ CD-R has prerecordered track that allows to record on it but than it's affect the readings? It's OK for the data but not good for the sound. And it's only one things. There is A LOT more things that makes CD-R copying non-perfect. For example, real time readings of the audio signal (it's one of the simplies things, we are not going in to jitter and other more complex reasons why ideal CD-R audio copy is impossible). Not to mention crapy CDDA standard itself. > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > those that are absolutely identical to the source > and those that are bad and should be replaced. I have some friends who works (ingenering!) in worldwide well known audio companies in digital audio processing. They knows inside all the things and they all has personal opinions that CD-R do not makes perfect copies of the sound. It's OK for the data, of course. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Feb 21 11:03:24 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:03:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <014b01c09bed$88f0a2c0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Ron, > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove jitter. > I base this statement on many years of experience in > digital communication systems design. We are in "audio" world, where "numbers" not always tell the truth. Recloking - in simple worlds is almost the same as NFB. And we all (well, almost all) know how NFB (especialy purly designed) affected the sound. So, in some matters recloking affectes the final result much worth than NFB. So, unfortunately I lacked some special "Tech English" skills do describe all this matters more specific but you should understand what I'm talking about. And again - bit-by-bit copying is simply impossible, we all know what is BLER. So even the best media has it's errors. So here it is - Rid-Solomon codes. That works fine with the data - you can read it, and if your CD reader missed something it will re-read it. That's impossible in real-time audio players. So we have to correct the mistake - and that's affectes the sound. Are you disagree? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Feb 21 12:21:50 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:21:50 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F7A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanx a lot, Stephen! I've checked everything you mentioned one more time and found no grease, no scoring, no sign of any wear. So you think it's the motor? Aren't there any microelements in the speed control circuit, which could have gone bad? In the worst case is there any possibility of disassembling the motor safely? I'm asking just 'cos there's no way for me to get a new one... Or do you think this won't help much? Sincerely Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > It sounds like the capstan motor could be bad, for > sure. But you can check a couple of other things > first. The most likely alternative is hardening > grease, on both the pinch roller axles, and the pinch > arm pivot shafts. Second would be wear/scoring of the > "self-lubricating" capstan bearings & shafts. Check > for scoring of the shafts at the bearing areas. > Polish out the scoring & apply a little straight SAE30 > motor oil & see how it does. If no improvement with > the above issues addressed, the motor is likely bad. > > --- Igritski Nick > wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with > > experience of Naks repair. > > > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant > > tape speed > > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a > > speed adjustment (using > > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again > > (usually higher). > > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes > > long, whereafter a > > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is > > perceived by ear as tape > > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on > > during tens of seconds > > until it's "stabilized" again. > > > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a > > fault? Dying capstan motor? > > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or > > something? > > > > Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > Nick > > > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% > > OK. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Feb 21 12:31:01 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:31:01 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F7B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I'm sorry for once again interrupting the dirge for Analog Cassette, but is there anybody out there, who can help me to get just several pages off the ZX-7 Service Manual, NOT the whole Manual. If it's a headache to scan etc. per fax would be OK, 'cos I'm in relly great need of them. Thanx Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Feb 21 13:10:20 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> <014b01c09bed$88f0a2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <01ea01c09bff$44711000$0100007f@localhost> Ups, sorry. I was thinking about oversampling at the moment. But again - if you trying to resurrect dead body - it will be zomby but not alive person :) Misha > the truth. Recloking - in simple worlds is almost the same > as NFB. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 01:14:00 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:14:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <000801c09b9b$34fb6260$4c299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron and Stephen and Nakfellows, I am using an old Matshita / Pana CDR 2x drive. I remember my audio copy at 2x speed sounded somewhat different than that of 1x - moreover the manual advised 1x recording for audio or critical application. A friend of mine at 6x speed often can't get his audio CD player to read the copy while he never got that problem with 1x speed. What gives ? Logically that should somewhat relate to 'not-so-real' pit against pressed CD. Anyway, does jitter also affect recorded data ? Cheers, Salim SM Oops ... Matyas: Happy Belated Birthday !!! Many happy Nakdays in the future. > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:01:23 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > Matyas wrote: > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R are not faithful copies, > > in my demanding ears. > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a simplification of the > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance tonal slightly > modified > > (it seems that this balance changes according to the burner or CPU > base). > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode laser has a time of > ascent > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the speed in which you > decide > > to burn. > > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague with regard to those of > the > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of recording will be big, > the > > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to it all the errors of > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at the end of chain, > after > > mechanical imperfections during the recording, anything of amazing to > hear > > your CD player working with his controller of error trying to recreate a > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a digital media uncompressed! > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I greet what used to be > the > > cassette. > > > > Matyas > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns > of the day. > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to disagree. > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > original. If this were not so, then no program would > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can easily > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > by the error correction built into the CD specification. > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > those that are absolutely identical to the source > and those that are bad and should be replaced. > > - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Feb 21 14:24:26 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:24:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010221061316.6444.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c09c09$9d767a00$70232ac4@coqui.net> I know what you mean, Stephen, but many of the differences people testify to hear are "too subjective" for me. It's not that you are wrong or me are right or the other way around, but from my professional point of view where jitter, dither, BLER and all that shit is truly important while burning a PMCD for replication purposes, all I can say is that many times we just loose time hearing differences where John Q. Public don't even care or notice. Yeah, the famous "golden ears". In a blind test, it's almost impossible to identify a clone from the CD master and even sometimes people argue that the clone sounds "better" than the master. BUT, on pressed copies the story is completely different. Mastering Engineers like me, burn the PMCD in real time. Unfortunately when it arrives to the factory, the techs transfer these masters to DDP at 2x speed so they can cut the glass master from there at 4x speed ! There, you can really hear a difference between your PMCD and a copy. Madonna was one of the first recording artists who rejected a test cd from a major replicator and it was a total noise in the industry. All they want is speed because speed means money. They are trying very hard to increase the cutting speed up to 12 X !!!!!!!! SO, in order to skip at least an step of transfering a PMCD to DDP, all we do is send the master in DDP format and it goes direct to glass master cutting. Just some insights of the industry ... Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Beg to differ, Carlos. In my working situation, I > have had numerous opportunities to hear marked > differences between transports, digital cables & > reclocking devices, and I can say with absolute > confidence that enough jitter remains in even the best > of these to have a significant impact on the sound. > Even my own Museatex BiDAT D/A converter, with just > about the best reclocking in the world built in(2ps > peak), is affected to some extent by different > transports & cables. > > --- Carlos wrote: > > Ahh, excuse me, but in these points Ron is right and > > I have to agree with > > him. Jitter is simply corrected by a simple external > > clock device and it's > > not cummulative. Well, some others testify that > > jitter is cummulative from > > copy to copy. I simply doubt it. Sometimes the > > differences you can hear, if > > any, are due to drive/disc discrepancies were BLER > > is too high due to > > physical properties. Otherwise, a CD to CD copy is > > simply a clone, not a > > "copy" in a sense. > > > > Jitter is time-base error and it's caused by varying > > time delays in the > > circuit paths from component to component in the > > signal path. The 2 most > > common causes of jitter are poorly designed PLL and > > waveform distortion. > > (PLL= Phase Locked Loops). > > > > The audible effect of Jitter is a possible loss of > > low level resolution, > > phantom tones and distortion. Increased grain in the > > image and reduced > > soundstage is also observed but these are very > > subjective. > > > > best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. > > There are > > > > a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring... Simple (no, trivial) > > > reclocking (that is universally used by even the > > > cheapest of equipment) eliminates it. > > > > > > In any case, jitter is a transmission effect. > > There is > > > no jitter in recording. > > > > > > > Even > > > > in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical > > jitter, > > > > i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) > > CD > > > > transport in the burner will produce a small to > > large > > > > change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC > > chips > > > > in the playback device. > > > > > > Well, I maintain that identical digital files > > should > > > (and do) sound identical. If you agree with that, > > what's > > > the point of listing why the sound *should* be > > different, > > > when copied files are demonstrateably identical to > > the > > > source, time after time after time after time? I > > back up > > > my machine onto CD-RWs (over 30,000 files per full > > backup) > > > and can't recall when I ever had a bad file copy. > > > > > > If (and that's a huge 'if') a copy does sound > > different, > > > then it's due to some external reason (e.g., the > > player > > > may have higher error rate when reading CD-Rs) or > > the > > > listener expects degradation and therefore 'hears' > > it. > > > > > > > Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, > > > > Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by > > jitter. The > > > > reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb > > chain > > > > are rarely adequate to come close to elinating > > jitter > > > > artifacts. > > > > > > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove > > jitter. > > > I base this statement on many years of experience > > in > > > digital communication systems design. > > > > > > > When going from an analog source to CD, > > > > the second contributor to bad sound is the > > quality of > > > > the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter > > > > circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or > > dedicated > > > > audio CD recorder) that has what I would > > consider even > > > > adequate ADC electronics. > > > > > > Agreed, but that's a different story. We were > > discussing > > > digital to digital copies. Once you venture into > > the > > > analog domain, then, yes, there is a myriad of > > things > > > that can (and often, does) degrade the sound. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even > > CD-R > > > > > are not faithful copies, > > > > > > in my demanding ears. > > > > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice > > easily a > > > > > simplification of the > > > > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a > > balance > > > > > tonal slightly modified > > > > > > (it seems that this balance changes > > according to > > > > > the burner or CPU base). > > > > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one > > diode > > > > > laser has a time of ascent > > > > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent > > from the > > > > > speed in which you decide > > > > > > to burn. > > > > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really > > vague > > > > > with regard to those of the > > > > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the > > speed of > > > > > recording will be big, the > > > > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. > > Join to > > > > > it all the errors of > > > > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the > > CD, at > > > > > the end of chain, after > > > > > > mechanical imperfections during the > > recording, > > > > > anything of amazing to hear > > > > > > your CD player working with his controller > > of > > > > > error trying to recreate a > > > > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > > > > > digital media uncompressed! > > > > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February > > and I > > > > > greet what used to be the > > > > > > cassette. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy > > returns > > > > > of the day. > > > > > > > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > > > > > disagree. > > > > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to > > the > > > > > original. If this were not so, then no program > > would > > > > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error > > can > > > > > easily > > > > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they > > all > > > > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken > > care of > > > > > by the error correction built into the CD > > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD > > copies: > > > > > those that are absolutely identical to the > > source > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Feb 21 14:26:39 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:26:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010221061316.6444.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c09c09$ecc13e60$70232ac4@coqui.net> By the way, al digital systems has jitter problems and all you want to do is keep this error figures the lowest possible so that at the end of the chain it's almost inaudible. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > Beg to differ, Carlos. In my working situation, I > have had numerous opportunities to hear marked > differences between transports, digital cables & > reclocking devices, and I can say with absolute > confidence that enough jitter remains in even the best > of these to have a significant impact on the sound. > Even my own Museatex BiDAT D/A converter, with just > about the best reclocking in the world built in(2ps > peak), is affected to some extent by different > transports & cables. > > --- Carlos wrote: > > Ahh, excuse me, but in these points Ron is right and > > I have to agree with > > him. Jitter is simply corrected by a simple external > > clock device and it's > > not cummulative. Well, some others testify that > > jitter is cummulative from > > copy to copy. I simply doubt it. Sometimes the > > differences you can hear, if > > any, are due to drive/disc discrepancies were BLER > > is too high due to > > physical properties. Otherwise, a CD to CD copy is > > simply a clone, not a > > "copy" in a sense. > > > > Jitter is time-base error and it's caused by varying > > time delays in the > > circuit paths from component to component in the > > signal path. The 2 most > > common causes of jitter are poorly designed PLL and > > waveform distortion. > > (PLL= Phase Locked Loops). > > > > The audible effect of Jitter is a possible loss of > > low level resolution, > > phantom tones and distortion. Increased grain in the > > image and reduced > > soundstage is also observed but these are very > > subjective. > > > > best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I must agree with Matyas about CD burners. > > There are > > > > a couple of supporting facts. First is jitter. > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring... Simple (no, trivial) > > > reclocking (that is universally used by even the > > > cheapest of equipment) eliminates it. > > > > > > In any case, jitter is a transmission effect. > > There is > > > no jitter in recording. > > > > > > > Even > > > > in a CD-CD copy situation, the mechanical > > jitter, > > > > i.e., wow/flutter of the (almost always cheap) > > CD > > > > transport in the burner will produce a small to > > large > > > > change in sound quality, depending upon the DAC > > chips > > > > in the playback device. > > > > > > Well, I maintain that identical digital files > > should > > > (and do) sound identical. If you agree with that, > > what's > > > the point of listing why the sound *should* be > > different, > > > when copied files are demonstrateably identical to > > the > > > source, time after time after time after time? I > > back up > > > my machine onto CD-RWs (over 30,000 files per full > > backup) > > > and can't recall when I ever had a bad file copy. > > > > > > If (and that's a huge 'if') a copy does sound > > different, > > > then it's due to some external reason (e.g., the > > player > > > may have higher error rate when reading CD-Rs) or > > the > > > listener expects degradation and therefore 'hears' > > it. > > > > > > > Those with one-bit DACs(MASH, > > > > Bitstream, etc.) are the most affected by > > jitter. The > > > > reclocking circuits in both the recording & pb > > chain > > > > are rarely adequate to come close to elinating > > jitter > > > > artifacts. > > > > > > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove > > jitter. > > > I base this statement on many years of experience > > in > > > digital communication systems design. > > > > > > > When going from an analog source to CD, > > > > the second contributor to bad sound is the > > quality of > > > > the A/D conversion & the associated amp/filter > > > > circuitry. I haven't seen a CD burner(or > > dedicated > > > > audio CD recorder) that has what I would > > consider even > > > > adequate ADC electronics. > > > > > > Agreed, but that's a different story. We were > > discussing > > > digital to digital copies. Once you venture into > > the > > > analog domain, then, yes, there is a myriad of > > things > > > that can (and often, does) degrade the sound. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even > > CD-R > > > > > are not faithful copies, > > > > > > in my demanding ears. > > > > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice > > easily a > > > > > simplification of the > > > > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a > > balance > > > > > tonal slightly modified > > > > > > (it seems that this balance changes > > according to > > > > > the burner or CPU base). > > > > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one > > diode > > > > > laser has a time of ascent > > > > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent > > from the > > > > > speed in which you decide > > > > > > to burn. > > > > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really > > vague > > > > > with regard to those of the > > > > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the > > speed of > > > > > recording will be big, the > > > > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. > > Join to > > > > > it all the errors of > > > > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the > > CD, at > > > > > the end of chain, after > > > > > > mechanical imperfections during the > > recording, > > > > > anything of amazing to hear > > > > > > your CD player working with his controller > > of > > > > > error trying to recreate a > > > > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a > > > > > digital media uncompressed! > > > > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February > > and I > > > > > greet what used to be the > > > > > > cassette. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy > > returns > > > > > of the day. > > > > > > > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to > > > > > disagree. > > > > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to > > the > > > > > original. If this were not so, then no program > > would > > > > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error > > can > > > > > easily > > > > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they > > all > > > > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken > > care of > > > > > by the error correction built into the CD > > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD > > copies: > > > > > those that are absolutely identical to the > > source > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 21 16:16:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:16:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <000801c09b9b$34fb6260$4c299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3A93DBC6.36FB36D6@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron and Stephen and Nakfellows, > > I am using an old Matshita / Pana CDR 2x drive. I remember my audio copy at > 2x speed sounded somewhat different than that of 1x - moreover the manual > advised 1x recording for audio or critical application. In the good old days, x2 or higher speed recording caused higher error rates, that could have overwhelmed the error correction. This was a function of the media or equipment quality and could indeed produce a bad copy. In addition (and depending on the rest of the PC), the higher rate can cause buffer overruns that will introduce huge errors and simply spoil the recording. Adaptec EasyCD will actually stop the recording process (if in the test phase), or alert you to the problem after the recording is done (if in the recording phase). There is no question that such bad recordings will sound inferiour. > A friend of mine at > 6x speed often can't get his audio CD player to > read the copy while he never > got that problem with 1x speed. What gives? In all probability, his equipment or the quality of the media is not up to snuff. I habitually record at x4 or x6 and rarely have such problems. This reminds me of a test I ran a long time ago, where a small panel was asked to determine the difference between an original CD and it's copy. The test was blind (but not double blind). The panel preferred the sound of the *copy*, to a statistically very significant degree. The only explanation I could think of to this strange phenomenon was that the CD drive in the computer was of higher quality than the CD player used for PB. This could have resulted in a copy that the player read better than the original, leading to lower error rates. > Logically that should somewhat relate to > 'not-so-real' pit against pressed CD. Not necessarily. Could be his equipment or the media. > Anyway, does jitter also affect recorded data ? Jitter is not present in a recording and does not propagate from copy to copy. The spatial distribution of pits on a CD is determined by the local recorder clock, not the clock generated by the incoming data. As long as jitter is not horribly bad, (theoretically, half the bit period or worse), it does not cause bit errors. This assumes a reasonable buffer size at the recorder (which most of them have a ton of). -- Ron > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > Oops ... Matyas: Happy Belated Birthday !!! Many happy Nakdays in the > future. > > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:01:23 -0500 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > I have the misfortune to notice, that even CD-R are not faithful copies, > > > in my demanding ears. > > > One has me to lend a CD burner, I notice easily a simplification of the > > > acoustics of the place of the recording, a balance tonal slightly > > modified > > > (it seems that this balance changes according to the burner or CPU > > base). > > > And for it, you can easily imagine that one diode laser has a time of > > ascent > > > (of the laser beam) constant, independent from the speed in which you > > decide > > > to burn. > > > In it, know that has pit burned is really vague with regard to those of > > the > > > CD engendered by pressure. The more the speed of recording will be big, > > the > > > more pits will be vague and superficial. Join to it all the errors of > > > reading during the copy on hard-disc of the CD, at the end of chain, > > after > > > mechanical imperfections during the recording, anything of amazing to > > hear > > > your CD player working with his controller of error trying to recreate a > > > truth which has nothing of digital. > > > > > > Here is of what reflect about the copy of a digital media uncompressed! > > > I am 25 years old since the 15. in February and I greet what used to be > > the > > > cassette. > > > > > > Matyas > > > > Congratulations on your birthday. Many happy returns > > of the day. > > > > As to your view of CD recordings, I have to disagree. > > Good CD copies are identical, bit for bit, to the > > original. If this were not so, then no program would > > run off a CD copy -- even a single bit error can easily > > cause a computer crash. Yet, as you know, they all > > run correctly and reliably. Errors are taken care of > > by the error correction built into the CD specification. > > > > In general, there are only two kinds of CD copies: > > those that are absolutely identical to the source > > and those that are bad and should be replaced. > > > > - -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 21 16:36:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:36:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> <014b01c09bed$88f0a2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A93E061.819369AA@concentric.net> MVM wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > > I heartily disagree. It's extremely easy to remove jitter. > > I base this statement on many years of experience in > > digital communication systems design. > > We are in "audio" world, where "numbers" not always tell > the truth. Recloking - in simple worlds is almost the same > as NFB. And we all (well, almost all) know how NFB > (especialy purly designed) affected the sound. So, > in some matters recloking affectes the final result > much worth than NFB. So, unfortunately I lacked > some special "Tech English" skills do describe all > this matters more specific but you should understand > what I'm talking about. > > And again - bit-by-bit copying is simply impossible, > we all know what is BLER. So even the best media > has it's errors. So here it is - Rid-Solomon codes. > That works fine with the data - you can read it, > and if your CD reader missed something it will re-read it. > That's impossible in real-time audio players. So we > have to correct the mistake - and that's affectes > the sound. Are you disagree? > > Misha > Misha, With all due respect, I do disagree. I disagree with your supposition that "We are in "audio" world, where "numbers" not always tell the truth." I maintain that identical digital files will produce identical sound (on identical equipment, of course). Makes no difference if the files are on different CDs, hard drives, DATs or whatever. If you disagree, please explain how does the DAC know where the identical files are coming from, in order to produce the different sound. And, if "bit-by-bit copying is simply impossible", how can we use CDs for back up computer files with no errors. So, I don't concern myself with Jitter, BLER or any technological issues. I only look at he digital streams. If two digital streams are identical, they will sound identical. (BTW, negative feedback is a whole different issue... We could fill MBs with discussions of the myths surrounding this subject. Let's leave it to some future time...) -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 16:51:38 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:51:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <01ea01c09bff$44711000$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <20010221155138.10255.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Good one, Misha. "Zombie" would be a fabulous name for a solid state power amp. --- MVM wrote: > Ups, sorry. I was thinking about oversampling at the > moment. > But again - if you trying to resurrect dead body - > it will be > zomby but not alive person :) > > Misha > > > the truth. Recloking - in simple worlds is almost > the same > > as NFB. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 21 16:51:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:51:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F7A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3A93E404.4C02934D@concentric.net> Nick, I don't claim to have experience approaching Stephen's in this area... IIRC, the motor control circuit is enclosed inside the motor case in the 480/580 series Naks. I have had exactly your kind of problem with a 582 (wandering speed) and had to replace the whole motor, because the IC was not available separately. As I recall, the pulley was pressure fitted on the shaft and was a bear to remove, but I did open it up. The bad IC (SIP package) was located on a circular PCB at the rear end of the motor. If you cannot obtain a new motor, I wonder if you'd be able to obtain the IC. Good luck, -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Thanx a lot, Stephen! > > I've checked everything you mentioned one more time and found no grease, no > scoring, no sign of any wear. > > So you think it's the motor? Aren't there any microelements in the speed > control circuit, which could have gone bad? > > In the worst case is there any possibility of disassembling the motor > safely? I'm asking just 'cos there's no way for me to get a new one... Or do > you think this won't help much? > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:59 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > > It sounds like the capstan motor could be bad, for > > sure. But you can check a couple of other things > > first. The most likely alternative is hardening > > grease, on both the pinch roller axles, and the pinch > > arm pivot shafts. Second would be wear/scoring of the > > "self-lubricating" capstan bearings & shafts. Check > > for scoring of the shafts at the bearing areas. > > Polish out the scoring & apply a little straight SAE30 > > motor oil & see how it does. If no improvement with > > the above issues addressed, the motor is likely bad. > > > > --- Igritski Nick > > wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with > > > experience of Naks repair. > > > > > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in constant > > > tape speed > > > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes after a > > > speed adjustment (using > > > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect again > > > (usually higher). > > > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 minutes > > > long, whereafter a > > > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is > > > perceived by ear as tape > > > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and so on > > > during tens of seconds > > > until it's "stabilized" again. > > > > > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a > > > fault? Dying capstan motor? > > > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or > > > something? > > > > > > Any tips on where to start looking at are greatly > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are 100% > > > OK. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > ===== > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 16:53:01 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:53:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F7B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010221155301.10455.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> I can scan pages from the ZX-9 service manual for you, which is identical but for the capstan motor. Just let me know what pages you need. --- Igritski Nick wrote: > I'm sorry for once again interrupting the dirge for > Analog Cassette, but is > there anybody out there, who can help me to get just > several pages off the > ZX-7 Service Manual, NOT the whole Manual. If it's a > headache to scan etc. > per fax would be OK, 'cos I'm in relly great need of > them. > > Thanx > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 17:03:19 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:03:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F7A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010221160319.12323.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> I don't believe it can be anything but a bad motor at this point. The way that the Mabuchi motor's case is assembled, it would be difficult to take apart, but worth a shot. The back cover is held by the indentations around the side of the case, so all I can think of is to use a miniature rotary tool(e.g. "Dremel") with a cutting wheel to cut out the indented parts of the outer case. Never tried it myself. In desparation, you can replace this discontinued EG-510 motor with an EG-530 motor with the same last few extra digits(ED-2B, I think). These are available from many mail order sources, such as www.mcmelectronics.com & likely many such places in Europe & they should be very cheap. About $6 over here. --- Igritski Nick wrote: > Thanx a lot, Stephen! > > I've checked everything you mentioned one more time > and found no grease, no > scoring, no sign of any wear. > > So you think it's the motor? Aren't there any > microelements in the speed > control circuit, which could have gone bad? > > In the worst case is there any possibility of > disassembling the motor > safely? I'm asking just 'cos there's no way for me > to get a new one... Or do > you think this won't help much? > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:59 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > > It sounds like the capstan motor could be bad, for > > sure. But you can check a couple of other things > > first. The most likely alternative is hardening > > grease, on both the pinch roller axles, and the > pinch > > arm pivot shafts. Second would be wear/scoring of > the > > "self-lubricating" capstan bearings & shafts. > Check > > for scoring of the shafts at the bearing areas. > > Polish out the scoring & apply a little straight > SAE30 > > motor oil & see how it does. If no improvement > with > > the above issues addressed, the motor is likely > bad. > > > > --- Igritski Nick > > wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with > > > experience of Naks repair. > > > > > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in > constant > > > tape speed > > > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes > after a > > > speed adjustment (using > > > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect > again > > > (usually higher). > > > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 > minutes > > > long, whereafter a > > > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is > > > perceived by ear as tape > > > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and > so on > > > during tens of seconds > > > until it's "stabilized" again. > > > > > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such a > > > fault? Dying capstan motor? > > > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or > > > something? > > > > > > Any tips on where to start looking at are > greatly > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are > 100% > > > OK. > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > ===== > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email > address) > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 17:08:18 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:08:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed In-Reply-To: <3A93E404.4C02934D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010221160818.27381.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> That reminds me. The press-fit motor pulley can be easily removed simply by heating the pulley well with a soldering iron, then popping the pulley off with long nosed pliers while it's still hot. The brass expands with heat much faster & more than the steel motor shaft. --- Ron wrote: > Nick, > > I don't claim to have experience approaching > Stephen's > in this area... IIRC, the motor control circuit is > enclosed inside the motor case in the 480/580 series > Naks. I have had exactly your kind of problem with a > 582 (wandering speed) and had to replace the whole > motor, because the IC was not available separately. > As I recall, the pulley was pressure fitted on the > shaft and was a bear to remove, but I did open it > up. > The bad IC (SIP package) was located on a circular > PCB at the rear end of the motor. If you cannot > obtain a new motor, I wonder if you'd be able to > obtain the IC. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Thanx a lot, Stephen! > > > > I've checked everything you mentioned one more > time and found no grease, no > > scoring, no sign of any wear. > > > > So you think it's the motor? Aren't there any > microelements in the speed > > control circuit, which could have gone bad? > > > > In the worst case is there any possibility of > disassembling the motor > > safely? I'm asking just 'cos there's no way for me > to get a new one... Or do > > you think this won't help much? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:59 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape > speed > > > > > > It sounds like the capstan motor could be bad, > for > > > sure. But you can check a couple of other > things > > > first. The most likely alternative is hardening > > > grease, on both the pinch roller axles, and the > pinch > > > arm pivot shafts. Second would be wear/scoring > of the > > > "self-lubricating" capstan bearings & shafts. > Check > > > for scoring of the shafts at the bearing areas. > > > Polish out the scoring & apply a little straight > SAE30 > > > motor oil & see how it does. If no improvement > with > > > the above issues addressed, the motor is likely > bad. > > > > > > --- Igritski Nick > > > wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > Here's a question to Stephen or anyone with > > > > experience of Naks repair. > > > > > > > > My 480Z has developed a fault resulting in > constant > > > > tape speed > > > > incorrectness, namely in a couple of minutes > after a > > > > speed adjustment (using > > > > a professional 3kHz tape) it becomes incorrect > again > > > > (usually higher). > > > > Moreover, the deck can play "well", say, 30 > minutes > > > > long, whereafter a > > > > momentary lapse of tape speed occurs, which is > > > > perceived by ear as tape > > > > movement slowdown with subsequent speed-up and > so on > > > > during tens of seconds > > > > until it's "stabilized" again. > > > > > > > > What can in your opinion be the cause of such > a > > > > fault? Dying capstan motor? > > > > Faulty electronics on the stabilizer PCB or > > > > something? > > > > > > > > Any tips on where to start looking at are > greatly > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > P.S. Tapes used and tape transport itself are > 100% > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email > address) > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone > > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 22 05:40:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:10:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <20010222044038.48F541E11DE@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 22 06:57:53 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:27:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed Message-ID: <20010222055753.0A24C1E1381@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 22 07:17:35 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:47:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <20010222061735.9D7EA1E1520@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Feb 22 11:09:22 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:09:22 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F81@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Uh, guys! You're so... so responsive, that I can't even find words of gratitude. Well, after all we're the last men who can help each other to keep our valued rarities running, aren't we? Stephen, Ron, Kannan, thank you very much. Now I have enough information to proceed with some actions recommended. Greetings from snow-clad Moscow. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:58 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > -----Original Message----- > Nick > You can try finding out the current drawn by the motor before blaming the > motor. You can try lubricating the shaft as I found My Dragon motor > control transistors were heating up excessively before application. After > little lubrication the temperature had come down.This I had done inspite > of having fine capstan shaft and bearing. Secondly before trying to open > the motor, get a replacement. Generally you might end up damaging the > motor unless you are lucky. > Kannan > > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with tape speed > > > >Nick, > > > >I don't claim to have experience approaching Stephen's > >in this area... IIRC, the motor control circuit is > >enclosed inside the motor case in the 480/580 series > >Naks. I have had exactly your kind of problem with a > >582 (wandering speed) and had to replace the whole > >motor, because the IC was not available separately. > >As I recall, the pulley was pressure fitted on the > >shaft and was a bear to remove, but I did open it up. > >The bad IC (SIP package) was located on a circular > >PCB at the rear end of the motor. If you cannot > >obtain a new motor, I wonder if you'd be able to > >obtain the IC. > > > >Good luck, > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Igritski Nick wrote: > >> > >> Thanx a lot, Stephen! > >> > >> I've checked everything you mentioned one more time and found no > grease, no > >> scoring, no sign of any wear. > >> > >> So you think it's the motor? Aren't there any microelements in the > speed > >> control circuit, which could have gone bad? > >> > >> In the worst case is there any possibility of disassembling the motor > >> safely? I'm asking just 'cos there's no way for me to get a new one... > Or do > >> you think this won't help much? > >> > >> Sincerely > >> > >> Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Feb 22 11:34:52 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:34:52 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F82@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Dear Stephen, I don't know if I'm asking too much, but ideally I would also (like Kannan) like to have the whole ZX-x Servive Manual some day. So, please, consider this as a second request for the Manual in question. If you'll gather yourself up one day to scan the whole thing and email it to Kannan, put me on the mailing list too, please. In the meantime, I would be really grateful, if you could provide me with those few pages off the Manual describing a) all the calibrating steps b) location of respective trim pots on PCB's I guess this shall be maximum 5-6 pages. Again, if it's a pain in the ass to scan them, I can give you a call and receive them per fax. Your help is greatly appreciated. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > Dear Stephen > I also need ZX9 service manual - incase you scan it you can send me a > copy, to kannan_s at vsnl.com / qsp at vsnl.com (both email id' can have easily > 4 Mb space each in mail box and I regularly clean them and space > constraints may not return your mails). Hope your scan's do not exceed > this. > Kannan > > > >I can scan pages from the ZX-9 service manual for you, > >which is identical but for the capstan motor. Just > >let me know what pages you need. > > --- Igritski Nick > wrote: > > I'm sorry for once again interrupting the dirge for > > Analog Cassette, but is > > there anybody out there, who can help me to get just > > several pages off the > > ZX-7 Service Manual, NOT the whole Manual. If it's a > > headache to scan etc. > > per fax would be OK, 'cos I'm in relly great need of > > them. > > > > Thanx > > > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Feb 22 11:35:34 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:35:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> <014b01c09bed$88f0a2c0$0100007f@localhost> <3A93E061.819369AA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00e601c09cbb$57b6f780$0100007f@localhost> Hi Ron, > With all due respect, I do disagree. I disagree with > your supposition that "We are in "audio" world, where > "numbers" not always tell the truth." I maintain that > identical digital files will produce identical sound > (on identical equipment, of course). Makes no difference > if the files are on different CDs, hard drives, DATs > or whatever. If you disagree, please explain how does > the DAC know where the identical files are coming from, > in order to produce the different sound. But there is just one thing - can you (well, modern equipment) read all the datas from CD without errors _IN_REAL_TIME_, not in computer drive? > And, if "bit-by-bit copying is simply impossible", how > can we use CDs for back up computer files with no > errors. We are nor talking about computer datas, that can be read at 24-th speed, and than if there any misreadings can be read again. We are talking about _REAL_TIME_ readings of audio data. And due to big number of errors (no matter what will be reason - transport, BLER and so on) we are forced to use Rid-Solomon to have "something close to original". So computer drives has nothing to do with home Hi-Fi CD players. Are you disagree? ;-) > So, I don't concern myself with Jitter, BLER or any > technological issues. I only look at he digital > streams. If two digital streams are identical, they > will sound identical. Oh, if you can be satified with the digital stream, that's fine, but I would love to hear some music instead ;-)) > (BTW, negative feedback is a whole different issue... > We could fill MBs with discussions of the myths > surrounding this subject. Let's leave it to some future > time...) Of course I was wrong, and I corrected this mistake. And BTW, I'm not using NFD in my tube amps designs - simply can hear the difference :) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Feb 22 11:27:41 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:27:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <20010222044038.48F541E11DE@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <00d401c09cba$18206440$0100007f@localhost> Hi Stephen, I'll be the third one need this copy :) I'm going to get inside of the ZX-7 not late than end of May. BTW, how much is the difference in between ZX-7 and ZX-9? Is there any significant improvement or just capstain motor? Is there any way to put haed ajustment mach to PB. Head instead of Rec. Head? Thanks, Misha > I also need ZX9 service manual - incase you scan it you can send me a copy, to kannan_s at vsnl.com / qsp at vsnl.com (both email id' can have easily 4 Mb space each in mail box and I regularly clean them and space constraints may not return your mails). Hope your scan's do not exceed this. > Kannan > > > >I can scan pages from the ZX-9 service manual for you, > >which is identical but for the capstan motor. Just ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Feb 22 16:06:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:06:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010220234802.8025.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> <3A930BA5.2D13409B@concentric.net> <014b01c09bed$88f0a2c0$0100007f@localhost> <3A93E061.819369AA@concentric.net> <00e601c09cbb$57b6f780$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3A952AF0.E77F8BE1@concentric.net> MVM wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > > With all due respect, I do disagree. I disagree with > > your supposition that "We are in "audio" world, where > > "numbers" not always tell the truth." I maintain that > > identical digital files will produce identical sound > > (on identical equipment, of course). Makes no difference > > if the files are on different CDs, hard drives, DATs > > or whatever. If you disagree, please explain how does > > the DAC know where the identical files are coming from, > > in order to produce the different sound. > > But there is just one thing - can you (well, modern equipment) > read all the datas from CD without errors _IN_REAL_TIME_, > not in computer drive? But, of course. Data rate off CDs is extremely slow. Modern equipment can deal with bit streams that are faster by many orders of magnitude. > > And, if "bit-by-bit copying is simply impossible", how > > can we use CDs for back up computer files with no > > errors. > > We are nor talking about computer datas, that can be read > at 24-th speed, and than if there any misreadings can be read again. > We are talking about _REAL_TIME_ readings of audio data. I don't think computers re-read faulty data when copying a CD. When a error is encountered, it is considered a hard error. IOW, CD copying *is* done in real time. > And due to big number of errors (no matter what will be reason - > transport, BLER and so on) we are forced to use Rid-Solomon to > have "something close to original". So computer drives has > nothing to do with home Hi-Fi CD players. Are you disagree? ;-) Yes, I disagree. The error correction doesn't produce "something close to original", but an *exact* replica of the original, unless overwhelmed by the number of errors, in which case the copy is *totally* bad and should be replaced by one that is good. > > So, I don't concern myself with Jitter, BLER or any > > technological issues. I only look at he digital > > streams. If two digital streams are identical, they > > will sound identical. > > Oh, if you can be satified with the digital stream, > that's fine, but I would love to hear some music > instead ;-)) I never said I am 'satisfied with a digital stream'. The sought end result is music, but, after all, the music is embedded in the digital stream. If two digital streams are identical, then the music they represent is identical as well. > > (BTW, negative feedback is a whole different issue... > > We could fill MBs with discussions of the myths > > surrounding this subject. Let's leave it to some future > > time...) > > Of course I was wrong, and I corrected this mistake. > > And BTW, I'm not using NFD in my tube amps designs - simply > can hear the difference :) You should... Correctly applied NF is an excellent tool to improve quality. The key word is 'correctly'. It's very easy to screw up a good amp with poor NF design. (The two main culprits are instability and overload behaviour -- but, as we already said, this is not the place to discuss NF). Peace, -- Ron > Misha > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 22 18:10:31 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:10:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download Message-ID: <3A954807.EDD01257@xs4all.nl> Hi all, If you need a manual you can find them here: http://support.naks.com/support login with: naktalk password: nakaholic I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server is down. Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 18:26:27 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:26:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: <3A952AF0.E77F8BE1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010222172627.21894.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to remind you that computers are unaffected by all but the worst timing errors, whereas audio DAC's are affected by even the tiniest of timing errors, i.e., jitter. So, it is generally not data errors that cause sound differences, except in worst cases, but timing errors. As I said before, even my Meitner BiDAT, with 2picosecond peak jitter reclocking ability, is affected sonically by different transports & cables. These differences are not large, but definitely reliably detectable in ABX blind testing. In many cases, the difference is too obvious to even warrant ABX testing. --- Ron wrote: > MVM wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > With all due respect, I do disagree. I disagree > with > > > your supposition that "We are in "audio" world, > where > > > "numbers" not always tell the truth." I maintain > that > > > identical digital files will produce identical > sound > > > (on identical equipment, of course). Makes no > difference > > > if the files are on different CDs, hard drives, > DATs > > > or whatever. If you disagree, please explain how > does > > > the DAC know where the identical files are > coming from, > > > in order to produce the different sound. > > > > But there is just one thing - can you (well, > modern equipment) > > read all the datas from CD without errors > _IN_REAL_TIME_, > > not in computer drive? > > But, of course. Data rate off CDs is extremely slow. > Modern equipment can deal with bit streams that are > faster by many orders of magnitude. > > > > And, if "bit-by-bit copying is simply > impossible", how > > > can we use CDs for back up computer files with > no > > > errors. > > > > We are nor talking about computer datas, that can > be read > > at 24-th speed, and than if there any misreadings > can be read again. > > We are talking about _REAL_TIME_ readings of audio > data. > > I don't think computers re-read faulty data when > copying a CD. When a error is encountered, it is > considered a hard error. IOW, CD copying *is* done > in real time. > > > And due to big number of errors (no matter what > will be reason - > > transport, BLER and so on) we are forced to use > Rid-Solomon to > > have "something close to original". So computer > drives has > > nothing to do with home Hi-Fi CD players. Are you > disagree? ;-) > > Yes, I disagree. The error correction doesn't > produce > "something close to original", but an *exact* > replica > of the original, unless overwhelmed by the number of > errors, in which case the copy is *totally* bad and > should be replaced by one that is good. > > > > So, I don't concern myself with Jitter, BLER or > any > > > technological issues. I only look at he digital > > > streams. If two digital streams are identical, > they > > > will sound identical. > > > > Oh, if you can be satified with the digital > stream, > > that's fine, but I would love to hear some music > > instead ;-)) > > I never said I am 'satisfied with a digital stream'. > The sought end result is music, but, after all, the > music is embedded in the digital stream. If two > digital streams are identical, then the music they > represent is identical as well. > > > > (BTW, negative feedback is a whole different > issue... > > > We could fill MBs with discussions of the myths > > > surrounding this subject. Let's leave it to some > future > > > time...) > > > > Of course I was wrong, and I corrected this > mistake. > > > > And BTW, I'm not using NFD in my tube amps designs > - simply > > can hear the difference :) > > You should... Correctly applied NF is an excellent > tool to improve quality. The key word is > 'correctly'. > It's very easy to screw up a good amp with poor NF > design. (The two main culprits are instability and > overload behaviour -- but, as we already said, this > is not the place to discuss NF). > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > > Misha > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com Thu Feb 22 18:27:28 2001 From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:27:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download Message-ID: Hi All, Does anyone have any information on Nakamichi CD players. I have a CDPLAYER 4 . Also are there any sites that may have information like a manual that I can get. Thanks to all!!!!! P.S. I love the disscussions on the Future of the Cassette!! Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 12:11 PM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] PDF download Hi all, If you need a manual you can find them here: http://support.naks.com/support login with: naktalk password: nakaholic I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server is down. Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 18:27:59 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F82@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010222172759.10965.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I'll do the calibration pages first, but will endeavor to do the whole manual & email it to each of you, Nick, Kannan & Misha. Could take a while, though. --- Igritski Nick wrote: > Dear Stephen, > > I don't know if I'm asking too much, but ideally I > would also (like Kannan) > like to have the whole ZX-x Servive Manual some day. > So, please, consider > this as a second request for the Manual in question. > If you'll gather > yourself up one day to scan the whole thing and > email it to Kannan, put me > on the mailing list too, please. > > In the meantime, I would be really grateful, if you > could provide me with > those few pages off the Manual describing > > a) all the calibrating steps > b) location of respective trim pots on PCB's > > I guess this shall be maximum 5-6 pages. > > Again, if it's a pain in the ass to scan them, I can > give you a call and > receive them per fax. > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:41 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Dear Stephen > > I also need ZX9 service manual - incase you scan > it you can send me a > > copy, to kannan_s at vsnl.com / qsp at vsnl.com (both > email id' can have easily > > 4 Mb space each in mail box and I regularly clean > them and space > > constraints may not return your mails). Hope your > scan's do not exceed > > this. > > Kannan > > > > > > >I can scan pages from the ZX-9 service manual for > you, > > >which is identical but for the capstan motor. > Just > > >let me know what pages you need. > > > > --- Igritski Nick > > wrote: > > > I'm sorry for once again interrupting the dirge > for > > > Analog Cassette, but is > > > there anybody out there, who can help me to get > just > > > several pages off the > > > ZX-7 Service Manual, NOT the whole Manual. If > it's a > > > headache to scan etc. > > > per fax would be OK, 'cos I'm in relly great > need of > > > them. > > > > > > Thanx > > > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Feb 22 19:37:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:37:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <20010222172627.21894.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A955C7B.DD2E2C46@concentric.net> You have a point. The discussion, so far, has centered around data errors that, as I have noted, are not of a real concern with reasonable quality equipment. The argument that you raise (jitter causes timing errors in the DAC that cause, in turn, generation of spurious sidebands that are audible) is heard from such authorities as Meridian's president (name escapes me at the moment) and John Atkinson, of Stereophile. On the other side, there are numerous authorities that maintain that jitter at the DAC input can be easily reduced to inaudible level. While making no claims to authoritarian status, I do side with the latter. However, all this has nothing to do with what has been discussed thus far in this thread. Our topic concerned only digital copies and whether sound quality deteriorates through digital generations. I have maintained that when copies are bit-by-bit identical (as all good copies are), their sound is also identical ON THE SAME EQUIPMENT. This is still true, even considering the effect you brought up. This effect is a function of the jitter AT THE DAC INPUT and depends on player characteristics (mostly, transport). Jitter does not propagate from copy to copy (any copy will exhibit whatever jitter is inherent to the recorder it was made on). Therefore, jitter at the DAC input will not change from original to copy (assuming reasonable CD recorder) and does not contribute to sound deterioration. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I'd like to remind you that computers are unaffected > by all but the worst timing errors, whereas audio > DAC's are affected by even the tiniest of timing > errors, i.e., jitter. So, it is generally not data > errors that cause sound differences, except in worst > cases, but timing errors. As I said before, even my > Meitner BiDAT, with 2picosecond peak jitter reclocking > ability, is affected sonically by different transports > & cables. These differences are not large, but > definitely reliably detectable in ABX blind testing. > In many cases, the difference is too obvious to even > warrant ABX testing. > > --- Ron wrote: > > MVM wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > > With all due respect, I do disagree. I disagree > > with > > > > your supposition that "We are in "audio" world, > > where > > > > "numbers" not always tell the truth." I maintain > > that > > > > identical digital files will produce identical > > sound > > > > (on identical equipment, of course). Makes no > > difference > > > > if the files are on different CDs, hard drives, > > DATs > > > > or whatever. If you disagree, please explain how > > does > > > > the DAC know where the identical files are > > coming from, > > > > in order to produce the different sound. > > > > > > But there is just one thing - can you (well, > > modern equipment) > > > read all the datas from CD without errors > > _IN_REAL_TIME_, > > > not in computer drive? > > > > But, of course. Data rate off CDs is extremely slow. > > Modern equipment can deal with bit streams that are > > faster by many orders of magnitude. > > > > > > And, if "bit-by-bit copying is simply > > impossible", how > > > > can we use CDs for back up computer files with > > no > > > > errors. > > > > > > We are nor talking about computer datas, that can > > be read > > > at 24-th speed, and than if there any misreadings > > can be read again. > > > We are talking about _REAL_TIME_ readings of audio > > data. > > > > I don't think computers re-read faulty data when > > copying a CD. When a error is encountered, it is > > considered a hard error. IOW, CD copying *is* done > > in real time. > > > > > And due to big number of errors (no matter what > > will be reason - > > > transport, BLER and so on) we are forced to use > > Rid-Solomon to > > > have "something close to original". So computer > > drives has > > > nothing to do with home Hi-Fi CD players. Are you > > disagree? ;-) > > > > Yes, I disagree. The error correction doesn't > > produce > > "something close to original", but an *exact* > > replica > > of the original, unless overwhelmed by the number of > > errors, in which case the copy is *totally* bad and > > should be replaced by one that is good. > > > > > > So, I don't concern myself with Jitter, BLER or > > any > > > > technological issues. I only look at he digital > > > > streams. If two digital streams are identical, > > they > > > > will sound identical. > > > > > > Oh, if you can be satified with the digital > > stream, > > > that's fine, but I would love to hear some music > > > instead ;-)) > > > > I never said I am 'satisfied with a digital stream'. > > The sought end result is music, but, after all, the > > music is embedded in the digital stream. If two > > digital streams are identical, then the music they > > represent is identical as well. > > > > > > (BTW, negative feedback is a whole different > > issue... > > > > We could fill MBs with discussions of the myths > > > > surrounding this subject. Let's leave it to some > > future > > > > time...) > > > > > > Of course I was wrong, and I corrected this > > mistake. > > > > > > And BTW, I'm not using NFD in my tube amps designs > > - simply > > > can hear the difference :) > > > > You should... Correctly applied NF is an excellent > > tool to improve quality. The key word is > > 'correctly'. > > It's very easy to screw up a good amp with poor NF > > design. (The two main culprits are instability and > > overload behaviour -- but, as we already said, this > > is not the place to discuss NF). > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Misha > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:03:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:03:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <6f.1181fe91.27c6ca76@aol.com> Hi All! This conversation re: digital recording has been very interesting and enjoyable. I would like to ask yo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:07:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:07:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <36.12698a90.27c6cb68@aol.com> Please forgive as I hit the wrong button... I would like to ask you all a question in this regard to jitter and wow and flutter - I have created several audio CD-R's using my PC and the sound quality has been extremely good. In fact, my "homemade" CD's are superior in sound to several music compilation CD's I've purchased from my local store. Moreover, the sound quality difference is present regardless of the machines I use for playback. My question is - how can this be? Is it possible that my little 'ole PC and CD-R burner can create better quality digital recordings than some of the professional digital equipment used in studios to create mass-market CD's? Just wanted to "spice" things up some...Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 23 01:23:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:23:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <36.12698a90.27c6cb68@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A95AD88.A82FF15D@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Please forgive as I hit the wrong button... > > I would like to ask you all a question in this regard to jitter and wow and > flutter - I have created several audio CD-R's using my PC and the sound > quality has been extremely good. In fact, my "homemade" CD's are superior in > sound to several music compilation CD's I've purchased from my local store. > Moreover, the sound quality difference is present regardless of the machines > I use for playback. > > My question is - how can this be? Is it possible that my little 'ole PC and > CD-R burner can create better quality digital recordings than some of the > professional digital equipment used in studios to create mass-market CD's? > > Just wanted to "spice" things up some...Thanks! > > -Sam > I believe I mentioned a similar finding (copy audibly better than original) in course of this discussion. I offered the only explanation I could surmise. I'll be interested in other people's thoughts. It seems to me that it is possible (even, likely) for the CD drive in the computer to read better than the CD home player. If that's the case, than there will be less errors read by the PC from the original, than errors read from the same disc by the home player. As a result, if errors read from the original by the home player marginally overwhelm the error correction from time to time, but the smaller error rate from the copy does not, the perceived sound quality from the copy will be better. This is supported by my finding that most originals sound identical to the copy, while some do not. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From davemacz at Home.com Fri Feb 23 03:43:52 2001 From: davemacz at Home.com (Dave Maczis) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:43:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download References: <3A954807.EDD01257@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A95CE68.9C52C937@home.com> Hi All, Can anyone advise if the Nakamichi 580 is essentially the same as the 582, except being a 2 head deck, as opposed to a 3 head deck? The below site does not have the manual for the 580, but does have one for the 582. My deck has a problem, and I have a tech looking at it, but he needs the service manual. The problem is that the sound is not coming out of the deck. He said there is audio present, and it appears to be a logic problem. Any help would be appreciated. Dave Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi all, > > If you need a manual you can find them here: > > http://support.naks.com/support > > login with: naktalk > password: nakaholic > > I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server > is down. > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dave Maczis - davemacz at home.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 23 05:41:04 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:41:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette References: <36.12698a90.27c6cb68@aol.com> Message-ID: <005201c09d52$d53b8260$8b2f2ac4@coqui.net> Remember that your CD's are "burned" with a laser beam and the mass market copies are pressed from an stamper (mold) similar to those vinyl copies in the past. The problem with mass market replication is the glass master. Factories burned their masters at 4x speed to increase productivity and money. So, we are speaking about 2 very different things here. Just want to clarify something out. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > > My question is - how can this be? Is it possible that my little 'ole PC and > CD-R burner can create better quality digital recordings than some of the > professional digital equipment used in studios to create mass-market CD's? > > Just wanted to "spice" things up some...Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 23 04:54:42 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:54:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download References: <3A954807.EDD01257@xs4all.nl> <3A95CE68.9C52C937@home.com> Message-ID: <3A95DEFF.569E778D@snet.net> Hi Dave, Possibly a very simple fix... check the playback indicator lamp. If this light goes, so does the sound when the deck is in playback. It's the kind of thing that could be easily overlooked by a tech who does not specialize in Naks. Good Luck, Ed Dave Maczis wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anyone advise if the Nakamichi 580 is essentially the same as the 582, except being > a 2 head deck, as opposed to a 3 head deck? > > The below site does not have the manual for the 580, but does have one for the 582. > > My deck has a problem, and I have a tech looking at it, but he needs the service > manual. The problem is that the sound is not coming out of the deck. He said there is > audio present, and it appears to be a logic problem. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Dave > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > If you need a manual you can find them here: > > > > http://support.naks.com/support > > > > login with: naktalk > > password: nakaholic > > > > I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server > > is down. > > > > Wouter > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Dave Maczis > - davemacz at home.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Feb 23 08:38:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:38:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <54.10621c3d.27c76d91@aol.com> Thanks Ron! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Feb 23 08:40:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:40:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: <5d.7934969.27c76dda@aol.com> Thank you Carlos, that explains it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 03:20:07 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:20:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question Message-ID: <001c01c09d3f$60ae25a0$d5299bca@smarzuki> Greetings Nakaholics, Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all the time ? I see that 480 / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but CR4 and Dragon is always on, is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I remember reading one comment re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is constantly on and got worried to see this on CR4. Thanks in advance, Salim SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From davemacz at Home.com Fri Feb 23 15:48:10 2001 From: davemacz at Home.com (Dave Maczis) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:48:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download References: <3A954807.EDD01257@xs4all.nl> <3A95CE68.9C52C937@home.com> <3A95DEFF.569E778D@snet.net> Message-ID: <3A96782A.CACD9560@home.com> Hi, Ed, Hope it's as simple as that. Thanks, Dave Ed Noyes wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Possibly a very simple fix... check the playback indicator lamp. If this light goes, so > does the sound when the deck is in playback. It's the kind of thing that could be easily > overlooked by a tech who does not specialize in Naks. > > Good Luck, > Ed > > Dave Maczis wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Can anyone advise if the Nakamichi 580 is essentially the same as the 582, except being > > a 2 head deck, as opposed to a 3 head deck? > > > > The below site does not have the manual for the 580, but does have one for the 582. > > > > My deck has a problem, and I have a tech looking at it, but he needs the service > > manual. The problem is that the sound is not coming out of the deck. He said there is > > audio present, and it appears to be a logic problem. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Dave > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > If you need a manual you can find them here: > > > > > > http://support.naks.com/support > > > > > > login with: naktalk > > > password: nakaholic > > > > > > I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server > > > is down. > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Dave Maczis > > - davemacz at home.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dave Maczis - davemacz at home.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From davemacz at Home.com Fri Feb 23 15:49:58 2001 From: davemacz at Home.com (Dave Maczis) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:49:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 problem References: <20010223075427.54CC51DFE3A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3A967896.E93BFDBC@home.com> Thanks! I'll have him check that. The tape moves fine, and the deck records. It's just not playing back. Dave kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Dear Dave Maczis / Ed > the problem is in Stop lamp not play lamp. Incase the mechanism works and he does not hear anything, the stop lamp might have blown. Since the stop lamp affects mute circuit ( I assume 580 circuit uses similar muting as 582). connect a working 12 v miniature lamp after removing the defective one, you should get Sound. Incase capstan itself does not rotate, than tech can still use 582 manual as most naks like 680 etc share similar circuit and logic > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PDF download > > >Hi Dave, > > > >Possibly a very simple fix... check the playback indicator lamp. If this light goes, so > >does the sound when the deck is in playback. It's the kind of thing that could be easily > >overlooked by a tech who does not specialize in Naks. > > > >Good Luck, > >Ed > > > >Dave Maczis wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Can anyone advise if the Nakamichi 580 is essentially the same as the 582, except being > >> a 2 head deck, as opposed to a 3 head deck? > >> > >> The below site does not have the manual for the 580, but does have one for the 582. > >> > >> My deck has a problem, and I have a tech looking at it, but he needs the service > >> manual. The problem is that the sound is not coming out of the deck. He said there is > >> audio present, and it appears to be a logic problem. > >> > >> Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > If you need a manual you can find them here: > >> > > >> > http://support.naks.com/support > >> > > >> > login with: naktalk > >> > password: nakaholic > >> > > >> > I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server > >> > is down. > >> > > >> > Wouter > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dave Maczis - davemacz at home.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Feb 23 16:18:40 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:18:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Similarity Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F88@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Here's a question to, probably, Stephen, as a person having unmatched experience of Naks repair. As we all know, the collection of Service Manuals placed at our disposal at Wouter's site is rather limited. Many of us do have Naks, Service Manuals for which are not available for whatever reasons. Would it make any sense to make kinda 'table of similarity', containing information as to which Nak models share similar transports, circuits, logics etc. Or is the idea just silly? The reason I'm asking for this is pretty obvious. Personally I do reside in Moscow, Russia, and due to some local peculiarities can't even think of sending a deck to, say, USA to our Nak-wizard Stephen. This forces me to learn, once again learn and practice how to repair stuff on my own. I already learned very much and keep learning, but there're sometimes things to deal with which my knowledge is not sufficient enough. In those cases I have to apply for help to people, who have no idea of what Naks are all about, but have much greater experience with general electronics than I do instead. And very often they demand from me some principle schemes or at least something to better understand the machinery. And as long as I'm unable to provide them with original papers, it would be great to say at least: look, here's something very similar with just few modifications! What's the opinion of Nak-gurus on this subject? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Feb 23 16:23:30 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:23:30 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F89@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Really many do, e.g. 700, ZX, Dragon. It's absolutely normal. Direct drive has nothing to do with this. It's just the peculiarity of schematics. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:salimarz at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:20 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Motor question > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all the time ? I see that > 480 > / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but CR4 and Dragon is always > on, > is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I remember reading one > comment > re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is constantly on and got > worried to see this on CR4. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Fri Feb 23 17:23:34 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:23:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 23 17:24:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:24:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F89@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3A968EA4.FC7E638B@concentric.net> There are two reasons for the designer to have the capstan motor always on. First, this makes for faster PB and REC start, since there is no need to allow for motor ramp up time. Second, motor speed stabilizes after it reaches operating temperature. From the point of view of speed constancy, it's better to have the motor at constant temperature. On the other side, motor (and bearing) wear is now a function of on time, not play time. I used to keep my 582 on during a whole evening, even though I interspersed tape PB with playing records. After I lost the capstan motor, I started to turn the 582 off when I anticipated an hour or more of idle time (if/when I remembered :-) ). I never lost another motor on that machine. Recently, the capstan motor on my CR-7a went bad. It turned out that there was excessive friction in the capstan bearing (thanks again, Stephen), that apparently caused the driver IC to heat up and, eventually, self-destruct. It's likely this failure was accelerated by letting the deck sit there, from time to time, doing nothing but consuming power. Since then, I have been more conscientious about turning it off when not actually in use. (I also intend to service and lubricate the deck more often. Maybe, once every couple of years or so. Also, the motor driver IC has a built-in tiny heat sink. I will attach a larger one the next time I open it up. May not do any good, but won't harm anything, either). -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Really many do, e.g. 700, ZX, Dragon. It's absolutely normal. Direct drive > has nothing to do with this. It's just the peculiarity of schematics. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:salimarz at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:20 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Motor question > > > > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > > > Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all the time ? I see that > > 480 > > / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but CR4 and Dragon is always > > on, > > is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I remember reading one > > comment > > re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is constantly on and got > > worried to see this on CR4. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 17:36:01 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:36:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks Similarity In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F88@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010223163602.9471.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> I think that would be a useful idea. When I have time, I'll go look at the available list & see if I can work up an index of applicability to other models. --- Igritski Nick wrote: > Here's a question to, probably, Stephen, as a person > having unmatched > experience of Naks repair. As we all know, the > collection of Service Manuals > placed at our disposal at Wouter's site is rather > limited. Many of us do > have Naks, Service Manuals for which are not > available for whatever reasons. > Would it make any sense to make kinda 'table of > similarity', containing > information as to which Nak models share similar > transports, circuits, > logics etc. Or is the idea just silly? > > The reason I'm asking for this is pretty obvious. > Personally I do reside in > Moscow, Russia, and due to some local peculiarities > can't even think of > sending a deck to, say, USA to our Nak-wizard > Stephen. This forces me to > learn, once again learn and practice how to repair > stuff on my own. I > already learned very much and keep learning, but > there're sometimes things > to deal with which my knowledge is not sufficient > enough. In those cases I > have to apply for help to people, who have no idea > of what Naks are all > about, but have much greater experience with general > electronics than I do > instead. And very often they demand from me some > principle schemes or at > least something to better understand the machinery. > And as long as I'm > unable to provide them with original papers, it > would be great to say at > least: look, here's something very similar with just > few modifications! > > What's the opinion of Nak-gurus on this subject? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 17:54:03 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Motor question In-Reply-To: <001c01c09d3f$60ae25a0$d5299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010223165403.24359.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> The only decks where the cap motor running full time is a problem is the "Cassette Deck" model series, where Nak tried a cheaper Matsushita motor & had so many failures that they reverted back to the Sankyo motor of the CR/BX models. Otherwise, all direct drive models run full time, and, mostly, lower model belt drives don't(480, BX-100, etc.), higher models(680, 700ZXL, etc.)do run full time. --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all the > time ? I see that 480 > / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but CR4 > and Dragon is always on, > is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I > remember reading one comment > re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is > constantly on and got > worried to see this on CR4. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 06:57:36 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:57:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. References: Message-ID: <003501c09d5d$bc077aa0$33299bca@smarzuki> Allow me to quote Stephen's reply awhile ago: The TA-4, 3 & 2 had Threshold stasis amplifiers, so they are great sounding receivers, but not near as good in either sound or build quality as the previous SR-4/3/2 stasis receivers. The TA series was the first year that Nak had moved that part of production to Taiwan, and there was a significantly higher rate of defects & failures, mostly due to assembly & soldering shortcomings, but also due to some poor choices of components. The SR series are still pretty damned bullet-proof, and I still consider them the best receivers ever made by anybody, both on sound & reliability. I've almost never had to do anything to one beyond replacing fuses or resoldering a few things. Also, the three models all made about 40-50 percent more continuous RMS power than their ratings, and could do it all day. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. > Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS > rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, > etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for > best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks > would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 07:15:20 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:15:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question References: <20010223165403.24359.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c09d60$16ce1640$33299bca@smarzuki> Thank you Nick, Ron and Stephen - I really appreciate your info. Nick, looks like outside good ol' US we're all on our own to fix these babies ! My audio 'life' changed quite a bit since last Sep when I joined the list. Too bad I missed all the fun before ... BTW if you're desperate for some manual, do check www.schaltungsdienst.de - referred by Klaus sometime ago. Nak manuals average higher (30-40DM), but money well spent in restoring a ZX. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Motor question > The only decks where the cap motor running full time > is a problem is the "Cassette Deck" model series, > where Nak tried a cheaper Matsushita motor & had so > many failures that they reverted back to the Sankyo > motor of the CR/BX models. Otherwise, all direct > drive models run full time, and, mostly, lower model > belt drives don't(480, BX-100, etc.), higher > models(680, 700ZXL, etc.)do run full time. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Feb 23 20:51:35 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:51:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SR series was much better series than the TA. I have had pretty lousy experience with my TA-2A (Made in Taiwan) receiver. At the time, in pure sound comparisons, I chose it over Adcom GFA535 with a corresponding ControlAmp/Tuner - sounded as good or better, yet matched my Nak cassette deck. With time, I had the receiver in the shop several times, first time it was completely replaced. Now it sits in the garage and is waiting for a day when I will find someone to fix the power section (while I am enyoing my Adcom GFA5500/GFP565 combo). I understand that the TA series, same as CR series of tape decks, were made both in Japan and Taiwan, depending on the batch. If I had the choice, I would for sure stick with the SR, these were indeed great sounding and well built units. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Robert A. Hamilton Sent: Fri, February 23, 2001 10:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Feb 23 20:58:52 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:58:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs - tapes for NAk decks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know this may start a whole new trend, but a Reader's Digest type of recommendation would be to stick to TDK or Maxell tapes. TDK SA, SA-X, SA-XS, and MA's sound great on my CR4A. Also, I am pretty happy with Maxell XL-II, XL-IIS, and MX-S. It is my understanding that Nakamichi used TDK tapes as their reference. And their EX, SX, and ZX were more or less Nak's versions of AD, SA, and MA from TDK. As far as TDK-SA, SA-X and Maxell XL-II and XL-IIS - you should be able to find them anywhere including Walgreen's and Walmart. The metals may be easier to be found at Best Buy, Tower Records, etc - by the way I live in Chicago area, so some of these stores maybe less available if you live in California on Johannesburg. Stan P.S. - for less demanding recordings, I found TDK D tapes to be very good value. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Robert A. Hamilton Sent: Fri, February 23, 2001 10:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 00:17:45 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:17:45 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Exactly buddy! Where are you located? Just curious... > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:salimarz at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Motor question > > > Thank you Nick, Ron and Stephen - I really appreciate your info. > > Nick, looks like outside good ol' US we're all on our own to fix these > babies ! My audio 'life' changed quite a bit since last Sep when I joined > the list. Too bad I missed all the fun before ... > > BTW if you're desperate for some manual, do check www.schaltungsdienst.de > - > referred by Klaus sometime ago. Nak manuals average higher (30-40DM), but > money well spent in restoring a ZX. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Motor question > > > > The only decks where the cap motor running full time > > is a problem is the "Cassette Deck" model series, > > where Nak tried a cheaper Matsushita motor & had so > > many failures that they reverted back to the Sankyo > > motor of the CR/BX models. Otherwise, all direct > > drive models run full time, and, mostly, lower model > > belt drives don't(480, BX-100, etc.), higher > > models(680, 700ZXL, etc.)do run full time. > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 00:26:03 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:26:03 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Similarity Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> If only you could find some time and do it, this would be really really great! It's nice to know that such an expert like you appreciated my humble idea. Respect. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:36 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks Similarity > > I think that would be a useful idea. When I have > time, I'll go look at the available list & see if I > can work up an index of applicability to other models. > > --- Igritski Nick > wrote: > > Here's a question to, probably, Stephen, as a person > > having unmatched > > experience of Naks repair. As we all know, the > > collection of Service Manuals > > placed at our disposal at Wouter's site is rather > > limited. Many of us do > > have Naks, Service Manuals for which are not > > available for whatever reasons. > > Would it make any sense to make kinda 'table of > > similarity', containing > > information as to which Nak models share similar > > transports, circuits, > > logics etc. Or is the idea just silly? > > > > The reason I'm asking for this is pretty obvious. > > Personally I do reside in > > Moscow, Russia, and due to some local peculiarities > > can't even think of > > sending a deck to, say, USA to our Nak-wizard > > Stephen. This forces me to > > learn, once again learn and practice how to repair > > stuff on my own. I > > already learned very much and keep learning, but > > there're sometimes things > > to deal with which my knowledge is not sufficient > > enough. In those cases I > > have to apply for help to people, who have no idea > > of what Naks are all > > about, but have much greater experience with general > > electronics than I do > > instead. And very often they demand from me some > > principle schemes or at > > least something to better understand the machinery. > > And as long as I'm > > unable to provide them with original papers, it > > would be great to say at > > least: look, here's something very similar with just > > few modifications! > > > > What's the opinion of Nak-gurus on this subject? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 01:02:11 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:02:11 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Just finished re-assembling, cleaning and lubricating of the transport of my newly acquired ZX-7. Cleaned and lubricated literally every moving/rubbing part I could get my hands on. In the winding (any direction) mode without cassette both pulleys rotate fast, noiseless and with very good torque. However, as soon as a cassette is inserted, the deck seems to "grow weak"! The pulleys can scarcely rotate and the winding finally stops. While playing around I noticed that if I choose REW-mode without cassette in there (i.e. only left pulley freely revolves driven by motor) and at the same time set the right one going by fingers, the rotational speed of the former drops. I hear this distinctly as the It seems to me that the effect is somehow connected with a disfunction of the impeller that's belt driven by the right pulley. Any suggestions? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 01:12:39 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:12:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sorry, pushed wrong button... Here I go again. Just finished re-assembling, cleaning and lubricating of the transport of my newly acquired ZX-7. Cleaned and lubricated literally every moving/rubbing part I could get my hands on. In the winding (any direction) mode without cassette both pulleys rotate fast, noiseless and with very good torque. However, as soon as a cassette is inserted, the deck seems to "grow weak"! The pulleys can scarcely rotate and the winding finally stops. While playing around I noticed that if I choose REW-mode without cassette in there (i.e. only left pulley freely revolves driven by motor) and at the same time set the right one going by fingers, the rotational speed of the former drops. I hear this distinctly as the frequency of rotational sound lowers. It seems to me that the effect is somehow connected with a disfunction of the impeller that's belt driven by the right pulley. Any suggestions? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 01:36:12 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:36:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010224003612.12244.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> If rewind is indeed slowing down when you manually spin the take-up reel, then it's a problem that is new to my experience. If the motor torque is weak in general, try replacing the two TO-126 package power transistors that drive it. Best replacements, rather than the originals, are 2SD669 & 2SB649. If no change, then see if the +12V & -12V supply lines to these transistors is stable with cassette loaded. Beyond that, I'd have to get more information. I've never seen one of these reel motors get weak. Only good or bad(and very rarely bad). --- Igritski Nick wrote: > Just finished re-assembling, cleaning and > lubricating of the transport of my > newly acquired ZX-7. Cleaned and lubricated > literally every moving/rubbing > part I could get my hands on. In the winding (any > direction) mode without > cassette both pulleys rotate fast, noiseless and > with very good torque. > However, as soon as a cassette is inserted, the deck > seems to "grow weak"! > The pulleys can scarcely rotate and the winding > finally stops. While playing > around I noticed that if I choose REW-mode without > cassette in there (i.e. > only left pulley freely revolves driven by motor) > and at the same time set > the right one going by fingers, the rotational speed > of the former drops. I > hear this distinctly as the It seems to me that the > effect is somehow > connected with a disfunction of the impeller that's > belt driven by the right > pulley. Any suggestions? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Sat Feb 24 04:07:10 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:07:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. In-Reply-To: <003501c09d5d$bc077aa0$33299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: on 2/22/01 9:57 PM, Salim Marzuki at salimarz at yahoo.com wrote: > Allow me to quote Stephen's reply awhile ago: > > The TA-4, 3 & 2 had Threshold stasis amplifiers, so they are great sounding > receivers, but not near as good in either sound or build quality as the > previous SR-4/3/2 stasis receivers. The TA series was the first year that > Nak had moved that part of production to Taiwan, and there was a > significantly higher rate of defects & failures, mostly due to assembly & > soldering shortcomings, but also due to some poor choices of components. > The SR series are still pretty damned bullet-proof, and I still consider > them the best receivers ever made by anybody, both on sound & reliability. > I've almost never had to do anything to one beyond replacing fuses or > resoldering a few things. Also, the three models all made about 40-50 > percent more continuous RMS power than their ratings, and could do it all > day. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. > > >> Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of > STASIS >> rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, >> etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for >> best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks >> would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Thanks S & S ! Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Sat Feb 24 04:12:51 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:12:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs - tapes for NAk decks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 2/23/01 11:58 AM, Stan Targowski at targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > I know this may start a whole new trend, but a Reader's Digest type of > recommendation would be to stick to TDK or Maxell tapes. TDK SA, SA-X, > SA-XS, and MA's sound great on my CR4A. Also, I am pretty happy with Maxell > XL-II, XL-IIS, and MX-S. > > It is my understanding that Nakamichi used TDK tapes as their reference. And > their EX, SX, and ZX were more or less Nak's versions of AD, SA, and MA from > TDK. > > As far as TDK-SA, SA-X and Maxell XL-II and XL-IIS - you should be able to > find them anywhere including Walgreen's and Walmart. The metals may be > easier to be found at Best Buy, Tower Records, etc - by the way I live in > Chicago area, so some of these stores maybe less available if you live in > California on Johannesburg. > > Stan > > P.S. - for less demanding recordings, I found TDK D tapes to be very good > value. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Robert A. Hamilton > Sent: Fri, February 23, 2001 10:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. > > > Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS > rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, > etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for > best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks > would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Thanks S,S & S!! 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Name: not available URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 24 07:40:15 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:40:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Motor question References: <20010223165403.24359.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A97574F.E4AA08C0@sunint.co.za> Stephen, Is there a particular serial number (from which) onwards, the Sankyo motor was installed in the Cassette Deck series by Nakamichi as standard practice? Marc Stephen Sank wrote: > The only decks where the cap motor running full time > is a problem is the "Cassette Deck" model series, > where Nak tried a cheaper Matsushita motor & had so > many failures that they reverted back to the Sankyo > motor of the CR/BX models. Otherwise, all direct > drive models run full time, and, mostly, lower model > belt drives don't(480, BX-100, etc.), higher > models(680, 700ZXL, etc.)do run full time. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > > > Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all the > > time ? I see that 480 > > / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but CR4 > > and Dragon is always on, > > is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I > > remember reading one comment > > re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is > > constantly on and got > > worried to see this on CR4. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 24 08:41:54 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:41:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs - tapes for NAk decks. References: Message-ID: <3A9765C2.1B1F7C1C@sunint.co.za> I agree with Stan's recommendations entirely. As with most machines, the better the tape stock, the better the performance. Nakamichi seems to be able to take magnetic tape further than anyone else. The better Naks are capable of delivering extraordinary frequency responses, below 20hz and above 20000hz, comfortably eclipsing CD-R and Minidisc providing the source (quality vinyl replay) is delivering that. These new audiophile pressings with a nice moving coil will knock your socks off. The question is, are your speakers up to the job? In terms of linearity, Hi-Fi Choice's review of the relatively humble CR4 said that the plot might as well have been drawn with a ruler. I have never seen a TDK SA-XS but then I'm in the sticks, 400km south of Jo'Burg. And TDK-D (perhaps the best value Type 1) I would possibly use for someone else, if they were going to play it back in the car. In that case, I probably wouldn't use (waste) a Nakamichi. Hell's bells, I didn't realise I was that mean! Actually, I heard that they were the most bootlegged of all tapes. (the 'D's). I really like TDK-AR because it's got tremendous bass saturation capacity, but it's tricky to find. It's an enhanced type 1. Also, I'm pretty sure that Maxell XL-IIS is deleted from Maxell's production inventory, so what you find is the remainder of stockpiles in various warehouses. This was my all time favourite Type 2. Even over SA-X. Stan, I think it may have been you that said your preferred metal was Maxell MX-S. I would probably concur. Robert, you ask where to purchase. That depends on where you are. Stan knows the US of course. I'll be in the UK next week. Two places in London, to my experience have unmatched ranges and prices. KVJ and Pricebuster. They advertise regularly in What Hi-Fi?. I know Pricebuster in Harrow will do overseas mail order but the postage may make it non-viable. If you're in the US, also consider Protape.com (search) or try them at www.tm-tape.com/ They post orders around the country (nice if you live there) but won't export outside the continental U.S. If outside the 'States you could still make a plan with a friend/relative who does live there. Cheers, MARC Stan Targowski wrote: > I know this may start a whole new trend, but a Reader's Digest type of > recommendation would be to stick to TDK or Maxell tapes. TDK SA, SA-X, > SA-XS, and MA's sound great on my CR4A. Also, I am pretty happy with Maxell > XL-II, XL-IIS, and MX-S. > > It is my understanding that Nakamichi used TDK tapes as their reference. And > their EX, SX, and ZX were more or less Nak's versions of AD, SA, and MA from > TDK. > > As far as TDK-SA, SA-X and Maxell XL-II and XL-IIS - you should be able to > find them anywhere including Walgreen's and Walmart. The metals may be > easier to be found at Best Buy, Tower Records, etc - by the way I live in > Chicago area, so some of these stores maybe less available if you live in > California on Johannesburg. > > Stan > > P.S. - for less demanding recordings, I found TDK D tapes to be very good > value. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Robert A. Hamilton > Sent: Fri, February 23, 2001 10:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nak rcvrs. > > Hi, Does anyone know what the difference is between the SR series of STASIS > rcvrs. & the TA series, seeming to be relatively same vintage, appearance, > etc.? Also, what seems to be the consensus on best cass. blanks to use for > best Nak models? Any suggestions of best place to purchase those blanks > would also be appreciated. Thanks. Kind Regards, Rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 09:14:45 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:14:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Motor question In-Reply-To: <3A97574F.E4AA08C0@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <20010224081445.1001.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> I am not sure the abandonment of the cheap motor happened during actual production of the Cassette Deck series. I've never seen one reported to be "unserviced" that had the Sankyo motor already installed. However, something like 8-10 months after the models began selling in the U.S., it became official policy to replace the cheap motor with the Sankyo motor when failures occurred. I really think it should have been a mandatory change for all units brought in for any reason, but it was only for those with failed cheap motors. I had already been installing the Sankyo motors since the first cheap motor failure I had seen, in defiance of warranty procedure. There was no way I was going to replace a cheap piece of crap with another cheap piece of crap. The high failure rate of these motors, combined with new cosmetics that were perceived by customers as cheap looking, contributed very greatly to Nak's economic decline, I believe. There was also a rather high failure rate on the Receiver 1/2/3 models. Almost no failures on the CD Player 1/2/3/4 models, though. I still like those quite a lot. Much more solid & reliable than the MB series. --- Marc Hugo wrote: > Stephen, > > Is there a particular serial number (from which) > onwards, the Sankyo motor was installed > in the Cassette Deck series by Nakamichi as standard > practice? > > Marc > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The only decks where the cap motor running full > time > > is a problem is the "Cassette Deck" model series, > > where Nak tried a cheaper Matsushita motor & had > so > > many failures that they reverted back to the > Sankyo > > motor of the CR/BX models. Otherwise, all direct > > drive models run full time, and, mostly, lower > model > > belt drives don't(480, BX-100, etc.), higher > > models(680, 700ZXL, etc.)do run full time. > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Greetings Nakaholics, > > > > > > Which Nak models have the capstan motor 'on' all > the > > > time ? I see that 480 > > > / 482 / CR2 motor is off unless I hit play but > CR4 > > > and Dragon is always on, > > > is that normal ? Because of direct drive ? I > > > remember reading one comment > > > re: faulty Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5 which motor is > > > constantly on and got > > > worried to see this on CR4. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ===== > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email > address) > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 11:14:26 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:14:26 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Endorse to the praise below. Without your efforts personally I would never ever think of buying up so many Naks I did (now 7 actually!). And of course I would have never met Stephen and other dear Nak-fellows. I remember a while ago somebody came up with the idea of creating kinda "portrait gallery" of permanent Naktalk members. Something of the series "this is my Nak, and this is me doing it". Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people on the Nak-list approved the idea. Wouter, how do you feel about to finally do something on this way? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:34 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support > > wouter > Thanks for giving access to download the manual and other stuff. some of > the most recent additions are wonderful too. Particularly 1000ZXL review/ > 582 review - I enjoyed both. > Thanks a lot for your contribution to keep the site going with all odds > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 11:34:14 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:34:14 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F90@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Dear Kannan, Naturally I'm talking about reel motor, supply and take-up pulleys. And there is a thin belt there (just like the one found in other "simplier" Naks, that sets counter in motion) coupling the take-up pulley with the disk having 4 vanes and a lamp in front of them, which light is obviously interrupted by those when the things start to revolve. With this belt removed the transport doesn't even operate properly - any action starts for a second and then immediately fades. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 > > Nick > are you talking about reel motor and reel hubs for rewinding the tape > after the capstan'? > Or talking about capstan pulleys? If it is a reel motor and reel hubs , I > do not see any belts out there connecting the motor. If you are talking > about capstans - does the motor slows down or the flywheels slow down? - > somehow I could not understand your problem. > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 6:43 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Winding problem on ZX-7 > > > >Sorry, pushed wrong button... Here I go again. > > > >Just finished re-assembling, cleaning and lubricating of the transport of > my > >newly acquired ZX-7. Cleaned and lubricated literally every > moving/rubbing > >part I could get my hands on. In the winding (any direction) mode without > >cassette both pulleys rotate fast, noiseless and with very good torque. > >However, as soon as a cassette is inserted, the deck seems to "grow > weak"! > >The pulleys can scarcely rotate and the winding finally stops. While > playing > >around I noticed that if I choose REW-mode without cassette in there > (i.e. > >only left pulley freely revolves driven by motor) and at the same time > set > >the right one going by fingers, the rotational speed of the former drops. > I > >hear this distinctly as the frequency of rotational sound lowers. It > seems > >to me that the effect is somehow connected with a disfunction of the > >impeller that's belt driven by the right pulley. Any suggestions? > > > >Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Feb 24 12:26:44 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:26:44 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] nick' zx7 problem + proclamation to all Naktalkers Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F91@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanx for your care, Kannan. Please, do not take everything I write literally. When saying "everything" I just wanted to figuratively emphasize that IMHO there could be nothing wrong with the transport from mechanical point of view. I'll probably never come up with Stephen's glamour, but I'm not a novice or dabbler either. If I would have read that somebody has "just re-assembled a Nak-transport", let alone that the one who did it must have had to disassemble it first - obviously NOT a trifling matter even for an advanced technician -, I would surmise the venturer to be really skilled guy. Sometimes it becomes just kinda disappointing, when having just read of what I have just done people ask me something like "Are you, Nick, aware that 220V is dangerous?" or "Are you sure there's no lubricant came upon the the pinch-rollers?" Don't take it personally Kannan! It's nice to have you and your support. It's just an earnest request to all Naktalkers: please, read what you read intenty! And excuse my mordancy. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] nick' zx7 problem > > Nick > you stated that you had lubricated everything that is rubbing, but I felt > that there are only few parts require lubrication and only when the parts > are changed with a new one as per Nak service manual. One can refer > Dragon' manual or Bx1 manual according to the type of mechanism. > However for older parts after so many years of use like the cpastan shaft > for example may need a drop of lubrication applied to area mating with the > bearing. One need to clean any residue on capstan surface coming in to > contact with tape / pinch rollars as common sense dictates that > lubrication would cause havoc at these areas. > I am not fault finding Nick here, but want to caution those who is trying > to lubricate without prior experience. > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From pardeepj at hotmail.com Sat Feb 24 16:12:58 2001 From: pardeepj at hotmail.com (pardeep jagdev) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:12:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: John, are their any quality differences between copying a cd on your pc based cdw versus your hifi deck cdr ?? >From: John Small >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:54:36 -0600 > >On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:49:50 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: > > >Guess why the DAT never got to the > >domestic users? POLITICS. > >Interesting observation ... from my perspective as a music buff and not an >industry insider, one that I think explains DAT's niche status as well. If >it >had not been for politics I'm sure I would have moved my vinyl collection >to DAT >... at $6-10 record. As it was I continued to use a Nak cassette deck and >wait. >Then three years ago I added MD (I'm on my second deck), last year added >cd-r/rw >on the PC and this year music a cd-r/rw deck. I actually think I am better >off >with this combination than if I had spent considerably more with DAT. If I >want >perfect copies I go with fifteen cent data cd-r's, otherwise for >portability I >copy to MD. As you know portable MD recorders are much much smaller than >portable DAT recorders, not to mention lower acquisition costs, maintenance >or >media costs. > >I use mp3 for listening to new music I'm not familiar with. But with only >an >ISDN line (broadband is still relatively rare) downloading more than a few >mp3's >imposes a significant opportunity cost to me. It's very time consuming to >que >up several mp3's, monitor their progress and try again and again for those >that >fail to download. Not to speak of the occasional mp3 that's faulty to >begin >with. When all that is done I still have something less than MD quality! > >Keeping in mind that a quality cassette or MD copy is nearly identical to >the CD >for all practical purposes. It seems mp3 is a giant step back in the name >of >convenience ... until we have broadband as the rule and media costs on the >order >of what MD's cost now ($2 for 150mb or 74 minutes ... or metal cassette for >less >than $2 for 90 minutes!). Nor would I even remotely consider paying say $1 >for >each mp3 song I downloaded. Maybe 1/10th much at most. > >So, I see mp3 as a novelty only. We are in a vacuum waiting for the next >big >thing. > > >On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:52:21 -0500, John Porter wrote: > > > >>Of course, the music industry would like to see home recording > >>wiped out completely. > >If we 'follow the money' I could conclude nothing else. The industry does >not >seem to agree with the assertion that the easy availability of copying >leads to >greater music sales. I notion that seems true in my experience. For >example if >Sony believed that, now that they own the Columbia catalog, I believe we'd >see >greater success with the MD format. MD preceeded mp3 and by most accounts >it is >a better data reduction scheme, yet if flounders. Quality MD decks are >less >expensive than casstte decks by about 1/2. MD media is more flexible, >smaller >and more robust than cassette tape with comparable costs. Something is >wrong >with this picture ... something that I can't explain without resort to >political >collusion. > >For all that, I find fifteen cent data cd-r's not a bad alternative. Thank >goodness for the PC industry. > >-jts >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sat Feb 24 20:06:13 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:06:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7buf9to4i21rc7jq2981qcr1hf9dt4laac@4ax.com> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:12:58 -0000, "pardeep jagdev" wrote: >are their any quality differences between copying a cd on your pc based cdw >versus your hifi deck cdr ?? I doubt it, but I have not tested. I make all copies from CD's on the PC as that takes only 5 minutes average compared to real time 1x speed on the music cd-rw deck. I use the cd-rw deck mostly, really only, for ... 1. recording from an analog source, mostly the turntable and 2. playback of the cd-rw for recording on the MD deck via a toslink digital connection, which is 1x speed only Anyway, the cd-r on the pc is a 15 cent data disc compared to about $1 for a music cd-r for the deck. So I don't do it, using only music cd-rw's that I can record over and over. Plus generally I want to do some Cool Edit work on the analog copy before transferring to cd-r. The cd-rw deck is a Philips 950 which has an optical out and was $320 from VideoDirect. The otherwise suitable 770 can be found for $200 with current Philips $50 rebate (eg, Fry's and Sam's). I had this one for a week until I decided the optical out would be a decided advantage for my use. The 950 may have better electronics tho I do not know. The record level on the 770 can be adjusted in 1db increments while the 950 oddly restricts me to 3db increments. Hope this helps. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sat Feb 24 20:06:16 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:06:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:53:40 -0700, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >Including complete maintenance & alignment/calibration(to within 0.1 percent >of spec), I charge $175 for the procedure. As "modification work", the deck >will carry a one year warranty from me. Steve, good afternoon. With all the Nak cassette talk recently I've decided to go with the modification you suggest plus have the benefit of your expertise looking over my BX-300. And of course I will keep the BX-300 in my system. I doubt I will actually use it enough to justify the cost compared to current digital recorders but wha the heck ... I think it will be fun to play with the deck again from time to time. Being somewhat of an audiophile and a definate gageteer it seems a reasonable expenditure. Tell me how to ship it to you. I suppose double carton, UPS ground? I'm almost walking distance from your shop anyway. How to pay ... credit card, check or invoice? Thanks for making me aware of the drive modification. As circumstances have it within the week I had called Marvin Electronics in Fort Worth and the tech did not discuss this conversion. Plus they have a std $100 shop fee for just letting equipment in their door! I've attached your original msg as reference. Thanks again. -jts PS. Do you happen to know why Sterephile relocated from Albuquerque and what became of Gordon Holt? I had about a 6 year lapse in Stereophile readership during which time the magazine changed hands and relocated. On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:51:49 -0700, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >I would very much recommend that you keep your BX-300, rather than replace >it with a DR-10. While superficially similar, the DR-10 lacks the BX300's >direct drive capstan motor system, pitch control, and, at least in my >opinion, has inferior electronics to some degree. It would be a much wiser >investment, in terms of both performance & long term reliability, to give >the BX-300 an overhaul, and update it's reel drive mechanism to the reliable >"gear drive" if it has not yet been done. Properly serviced, even a very >well used BX300 will out-live a brand new DR-10. Not to mention sound >better. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company >http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm >1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Small" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:20 PM >Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks > > >> I have a BX-300 and was interested in Nak's latest offerings. The >features on >> the current three head unit, DR-10, appears to be the same as the BX-300. >I >> wonder why Nak choose not to add Dolby S and HX? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -jts >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Feb 25 03:57:09 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> Message-ID: <002101c09ed6$a53b70e0$0f302ac4@coqui.net> This magazine was bought from Larry Archibald by a big mega magazine firm in New York. Gordon Holt is no longer in the staff but he's dealing with High End gear someplace else. He's now deep in multichannel home theater and music. The magazine is not what it use to be in the old days. Too commercial now for me. This is all I know... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > > PS. Do you happen to know why Sterephile relocated from Albuquerque and what > became of Gordon Holt? I had about a 6 year lapse in Stereophile readership > during which time the magazine changed hands and relocated. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jtsmall at onramp.net Sun Feb 25 04:57:47 2001 From: jtsmall at onramp.net (John Small) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks In-Reply-To: <002101c09ed6$a53b70e0$0f302ac4@coqui.net> References: <015701c09264$c776a400$7293bccf@sank1> <025901c09325$d23781e0$7293bccf@sank1> <002101c09ed6$a53b70e0$0f302ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:57:09 -0500, "Carlos" wrote: >Gordon Holt is no longer in the staff but he's dealing with High >End gear someplace else. He's now deep in multichannel home theater and >music. Thanks ... that's what I wanted to know. I've only resumed reading Stereophile this past few months, after 6 years or so away, and so have not formed an opinion. It was never quite the same to me after the Corey Greenberg flap. I liked what he had to say (maybe not how he said it always) tho apparently he ruffled a lot of feathers. Guess I've gotten off cassette decks! But Stereophile never liked them much anyway ... nor MD. -jts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 25 11:49:02 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:49:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Old Japanese Transistors Message-ID: <3A98E31E.F03E5E37@xs4all.nl> What is a good online store to order old Japanese transistors from the 2SA/2SC ranges and/or a good site to find replacement types? I need to find these: 2SA912 Q,R 2SC1885 Q,R 2SA913 Q 2SC1913 Q And who knows what the Q and R mean at the end? I found these in the service manual. Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pardeepj at hotmail.com Sun Feb 25 13:16:40 2001 From: pardeepj at hotmail.com (pardeep jagdev) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:16:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Future of cassette Message-ID: Many thanks - makes my decision alot simpler rgds pardeep >From: John Small >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Future of cassette >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:06:13 -0600 > >On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:12:58 -0000, "pardeep jagdev" >wrote: > > >are their any quality differences between copying a cd on your pc based >cdw > >versus your hifi deck cdr ?? > >I doubt it, but I have not tested. I make all copies from CD's on the PC >as >that takes only 5 minutes average compared to real time 1x speed on the >music >cd-rw deck. I use the cd-rw deck mostly, really only, for ... > >1. recording from an analog source, mostly the turntable and >2. playback of the cd-rw for recording on the MD deck via a toslink >digital >connection, which is 1x speed only > >Anyway, the cd-r on the pc is a 15 cent data disc compared to about $1 for >a >music cd-r for the deck. So I don't do it, using only music cd-rw's that I >can >record over and over. Plus generally I want to do some Cool Edit work on >the >analog copy before transferring to cd-r. > >The cd-rw deck is a Philips 950 which has an optical out and was $320 from >VideoDirect. The otherwise suitable 770 can be found for $200 with current >Philips $50 rebate (eg, Fry's and Sam's). I had this one for a week until >I >decided the optical out would be a decided advantage for my use. The 950 >may >have better electronics tho I do not know. The record level on the 770 can >be >adjusted in 1db increments while the 950 oddly restricts me to 3db >increments. > >Hope this helps. > >-jts >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sun Feb 25 15:26:34 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:26:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Old Japanese Transistors References: <3A98E31E.F03E5E37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3A99161A.2F62AF26@chello.at> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Sun Feb 25 19:55:51 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:55:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks Message-ID: <76.812ae6c.27caaf37@aol.com> Carlos-I totally agree w/ u on the commercial statement. The latest issue actually has AE computer speakers on the cover. This is a 'high-end' mag? A once great read is slowly getting worse & worse. I think The Absolute Sound has picked up a bit though. Cal. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 25 21:10:57 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:10:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3A9966D1.27A3B1B5@xs4all.nl> Yeah great idea! I've been thinking about it for some time but time is also the main problem for me since my work is also my hobby so in my spare time I don't like to do what I do all day....building the technical architecture for websites. BUT recently I am working on a new project.... the client is Sony! This is great because me and my team are building a small website for their video and digital camera's. Now, the problem with naks.com is that the technology I used is not flexible enough to add things like "this is my Nak' easy... BUT what we're building for Sony is!!!! Notice that naks.com and the Sony site both have a database of 'products'... both want 'FAQ's, 'product finder', 'product compare' and more of these functionalities....SO this is my masterplan (don't tell Sony :-) )! Basically naks.com needs what we're building for Sony with some minor changes. Also ALL nak features and specs will be made available with this new database, so I will need the help from all of you to collect the additional information when the database is in place. The Sony site has to be ready by mid-April. So no worries, the future looks good for all of us! Wouter Igritski Nick wrote: > Endorse to the praise below. Without your efforts personally I would never > ever think of buying up so many Naks I did (now 7 actually!). And of course > I would have never met Stephen and other dear Nak-fellows. > > I remember a while ago somebody came up with the idea of creating kinda > "portrait gallery" of permanent Naktalk members. Something of the series > "this is my Nak, and this is me doing it". Correct me if I'm wrong, but most > people on the Nak-list approved the idea. Wouter, how do you feel about to > finally do something on this way? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:34 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support > > > > wouter > > Thanks for giving access to download the manual and other stuff. some of > > the most recent additions are wonderful too. Particularly 1000ZXL review/ > > 582 review - I enjoyed both. > > Thanks a lot for your contribution to keep the site going with all odds > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Feb 25 23:28:23 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:28:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: <76.812ae6c.27caaf37@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c09f7a$481472a0$452f2ac4@coqui.net> Yep, when this firm bought the magazine it got more commercial oriented. Absolute Sound is High End as it has always be. Unfortunately, the High End audio has been shrinking during the last years. Let's see what happens ... Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: BJGRADY at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette decks Carlos-I totally agree w/ u on the commercial statement. The latest issue actually has AE computer speakers on the cover. This is a 'high-end' mag? A once great read is slowly getting worse & worse. I think The Absolute Sound has picked up a bit though. Cal. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon Feb 26 00:12:48 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:12:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F8F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3A9966D1.27A3B1B5@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002e01c09f80$794b9280$452f2ac4@coqui.net> Good Wouter ! It would be nice. We'll patiently wait for it ! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wouter - thanks for new material on FTP support > Yeah great idea! > I've been thinking about it for some time but time is also the main problem for me > since my work is also my hobby so in my spare time I don't like to do what I do all > day....building the technical architecture for websites... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 26 10:05:09 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:05:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: <76.812ae6c.27caaf37@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A9A1C45.94F9181@sunint.co.za> I totally agree John, Stereophile in it's bid to stay 'current' is pandering to new tech gizmos, most, if not all, that fail to take us further than we are already. I always enjoyed 'analogue corner' in Stereophile. The Absolute Sound seems to be the journal of choice for audiophiles in this neck of the banana plantations. I also have enjoyed the occasional copy of Hi-Fi World because of the 'hobbyist' approach. But even they have a section devoted to computer audio and the mag title bears this out....something like "Hi-Fi World, incorporating Computer Audio". I guess it's a bid to stay in business and no-one else had started a magazine devoted to computer music yet. Nonetheless, the contents betray it's origins still - lots of ads to build your own speakers and tube amps from kits etc. Stereophile's approach is aimed less at the hobbyist and more at the eccentric spendthrift. Check out the adverts. Boulder monoblocs that will brown out your suburb (cost as much as your car but produces more power). Air vaccuum turntables whose stand-mountings should be rawl-bolted to the earths mantle so that annoying resonances can be dissipated to neighbouring countries. Anyway, I digress. Stereophile is stooping a bit. Hi-Fi Choice is okay. What Hi-Fi is a reasonable buyers guide but not totally trustworthy. Stero Review (incorp. Home Theatre) is dross and Ken Pohlmann is entertaining but obviously deaf. Pity about Audio Magazine - it was a tad better. What ever happened to the American "Fi" magazine? I enjoyed that, but haven't seen it for a while. MARC BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > Carlos-I totally agree w/ u on the commercial statement. The latest > issue > actually has AE computer speakers on the cover. This is a 'high-end' > mag? A > once great read is slowly getting worse & worse. I think The Absolute > Sound > has picked up a bit though. > > Cal. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Mon Feb 26 14:56:56 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:56:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette decks References: <76.812ae6c.27caaf37@aol.com> <3A9A1C45.94F9181@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002801c09ffb$fca5b5e0$29021fac@brianm> Marc, I got quite the chuckle out of your e-mail!! I started a subscription to the Absolute Sound about 6 months or so ago and find it a decent magazine. The thing I liked the most is it didn't contain 16 pages of review on a product of graphs numbers and etc. In Stereophile I would skip the whole review and read the Conclusion. Brian Miller Michigan God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette decks I totally agree John, Stereophile in it's bid to stay 'current' is pandering to new tech gizmos, most, if not all, that fail to take us further than we are already. I always enjoyed 'analogue corner' in Stereophile. The Absolute Sound seems to be the journal of choice for audiophiles in this neck of the banana plantations. I also have enjoyed the occasional copy of Hi-Fi World because of the 'hobbyist' approach. But even they have a section devoted to computer audio and the mag title bears this out....something like "Hi-Fi World, incorporating Computer Audio". I guess it's a bid to stay in business and no-one else had started a magazine devoted to computer music yet. Nonetheless, the contents betray it's origins still - lots of ads to build your own speakers and tube amps from kits etc. Stereophile's approach is aimed less at the hobbyist and more at the eccentric spendthrift. Check out the adverts. Boulder monoblocs that will brown out your suburb (cost as much as your car but produces more power). Air vaccuum turntables whose stand-mountings should be rawl-bolted to the earths mantle so that annoying resonances can be dissipated to neighbouring countries. Anyway, I digress. Stereophile is stooping a bit. Hi-Fi Choice is okay. What Hi-Fi is a reasonable buyers guide but not totally trustworthy. Stero Review (incorp. Home Theatre) is dross and Ken Pohlmann is entertaining but obviously deaf. Pity about Audio Magazine - it was a tad better. What ever happened to the American "Fi" magazine? I enjoyed that, but haven't seen it for a while. MARC BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: Carlos-I totally agree w/ u on the commercial statement. The latest issue actually has AE computer speakers on the cover. This is a 'high-end' mag? A once great read is slowly getting worse & worse. I think The Absolute Sound has picked up a bit though. Cal. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Naehere Informationen dazu entnehmen Sie den Hilfefunktiionen von T-Online. Bei AOL funktioniert das S/MIME Protokoll leider gar nicht. Dieses Problem laesst sich auch nicht ueber den Umweg PoP3 umgehen. AOL-Anwender koennen von daher keine digital unterschriebene E-Mail aus dem Internet empfangen. Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Ihr WEB.DE Team. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the next few minutes you are going to receive a digitally signed email from a FreeMail-user. To enable your email-program to verify the identity of this user, you have to install the "root-certificate" of WEB.DE. Therefore please click on: http://trust.web.de/root.sql On this web-site you will find detailed instructions for installing the certificate of WEB.DE into your email-program. The details: FreeMail, the free of charge web-based email-service of WEB.DE (http://web.de), offers the possibility of sending digitally signed and encrypted messages. If a FreeMail-user sends you such a digitally signed message, you can only verify it if your email-program "accepts" such messages. For the verification of the sender4s identity, the "WEB.DE-root-certificate" has to be installed into your email-program. You need to do this once only. The technology behind this method is based on the S/MIME-standard. This standard is integrated in the current browsers and email-programs. All digital passports of FreeMail-users are issued by: WEB.DE AG Amalienbadstr. 41 Germany 76227 Karlsruhe +49721/94329-36 To add the certificate to the list of certificate signers accepted by your browser, please click on: http://trust.web.de/root.sql or type this address into the address field of your browser. Then please follow the step-by-step instructions in your browser window. Further hints and tips The "root-certificate" is installed: As soon as the certificate is installed into your email-program, the digital signature is verified. It can tell you: - the exact sender; - if somebody else read or changed the message; - if the certificate is valid. Further advantages by the use of the digital signature The digital signature doesn4t only identify the sender. Now, you as the addressee have the possibility to reply to the sender by transferring encrypted messages via the internet. Please note: You first have to store the email-address of the FreeMail-user in your addressbook, before any encryption of your reply is possible.Then, the digital signature will be stored on your harddisk and can be used for an encryption. If you are interested in the details of this method, you can look them up in our extensive help file - please click on: http://freemail.web.de. Encrypted reply with Netscape: If the address of the FreeMail-user is stored in your addressbook, before sending a new or reply message to him or her select "security" from the menu, resp. in the menu bar click the lock icon. Select "encrypt this message". 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Thanks Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _________________________________________________________________________ Die sicherste Form der Kommunikation: E-Mails verschlüsseln, Spam-Filter, Adressverifizierung, digitale Unterschrift: http://freemail.web.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 1499 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From kfendt at web.de Tue Feb 27 10:44:55 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:44:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Automatically generated posting Message-ID: <200102270944.f1R9itr08553@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Sorry guys - me last posting was generated automatically by my web mailing system; it was not my intention to send it over the list bothering you. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 1499 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From raah at concentric.net Tue Feb 27 16:48:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:48:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 68xZX series References: <200102270851.f1R8pdr13343@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <3A9BCC5C.D7C8F0A2@concentric.net> Just going by the description in naks.com, it seems the 681ZX (even though it's a 3 head deck), does not have off-tape monitoring, while the 682ZX does. Not surprisingly, the 681ZX listed for $200 less. -- Ron Klaus Fendt wrote: > > Hi togehter, > > I ws just looking at our beloved Naks site at the 68x ZX models and wondered a little bit what the main difference are. I couldn't see any between 681 ZX and 682 ZX, is anybody able to explain the differences to me? > > Thanks > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > _________________________________________________________________________ > Die sicherste Form der Kommunikation: E-Mails verschlüsseln, Spam-Filter, > Adressverifizierung, digitale Unterschrift: http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Feb 27 22:16:25 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:16:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 68xZX series References: <200102270851.f1R8pdr13343@mailgate3.cinetic.de> <3A9BCC5C.D7C8F0A2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001801c0a102$8b6914a0$578ee2c3@a9u3z8> Ron is right. I recall that when the 681 ZX and the 682 ZX came out the main difference was that the 682 had off tape monitoring. Both had Dolby C in addition to B, but lost the half-speed facility of the outgoing 680. At the time there were rumours that Philips, the inventors of the cassette of course, had put pressure on manufacturers like Nak to drop half speed and double speed variants as these breached the basic compact cassette standard, i.e. "Thou shalt have only one speed"! Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 68xZX series > > Just going by the description in naks.com, it seems > the 681ZX (even though it's a 3 head deck), does not > have off-tape monitoring, while the 682ZX does. Not > surprisingly, the 681ZX listed for $200 less. > > -- Ron > > > Klaus Fendt wrote: > > > > Hi togehter, > > > > I ws just looking at our beloved Naks site at the 68x ZX models and wondered a little bit what the main difference are. I couldn't see any between 681 ZX and 682 ZX, is anybody able to explain the differences to me? > > > > Thanks > > > > Klaus > > > > -- > > Klaus Fendt > > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > > 81737 Muenchen > > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Die sicherste Form der Kommunikation: E-Mails verschlüsseln, Spam-Filter, > > Adressverifizierung, digitale Unterschrift: http://freemail.web.de > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 28 00:04:13 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:04:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 68xZX series References: <200102270851.f1R8pdr13343@mailgate3.cinetic.de> <3A9BCC5C.D7C8F0A2@concentric.net> <001801c0a102$8b6914a0$578ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <3A9C326C.A8898798@xs4all.nl> Then the difference between the 660ZX and 670ZX is also the off tape monitoring, the 660ZX doesn't have this feature. Only the 680 and 680ZX had half speed recording. Wouter Sinclair Forrest wrote: > Ron is right. I recall that when the 681 ZX and the 682 ZX came out the > main difference was that the 682 had off tape monitoring. Both had Dolby C > in addition to B, but lost the half-speed facility of the outgoing 680. At > the time there were rumours that Philips, the inventors of the cassette of > course, had put pressure on manufacturers like Nak to drop half speed and > double speed variants as these breached the basic compact cassette standard, > i.e. "Thou shalt have only one speed"! > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 68xZX series > > > > > Just going by the description in naks.com, it seems > > the 681ZX (even though it's a 3 head deck), does not > > have off-tape monitoring, while the 682ZX does. Not > > surprisingly, the 681ZX listed for $200 less. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Klaus Fendt wrote: > > > > > > Hi togehter, > > > > > > I ws just looking at our beloved Naks site at the 68x ZX models and > wondered a little bit what the main difference are. I couldn't see any > between 681 ZX and 682 ZX, is anybody able to explain the differences to me? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > -- > > > Klaus Fendt > > > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > > > 81737 Muenchen > > > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > > > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 06:51:05 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:51:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Apology for attachments Message-ID: <20010228055105.5122.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> I just discovered that the large service manual scan attachments that I thought I was sending to Kannan & Nick also posted to the list. Sorry for the error. ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 04:39:14 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:39:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Old Japanese Transistors In-Reply-To: <3A98E31E.F03E5E37@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20010228033914.24852.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> In case you hadn't gotten any response yet, I finally remembered to bring home my Japanese transistor spec manual. The best replacements I know of are as follows: 2SA912 = 2SA1145 2SC1885 = 2SC2705 2SA913 = 2SA1011 2SC1913 = 2SC2344 --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > What is a good online store to order old Japanese > transistors from the > 2SA/2SC ranges and/or a good site to find > replacement types? > > I need to find these: > > 2SA912 Q,R > 2SC1885 Q,R > 2SA913 Q > 2SC1913 Q > > And who knows what the Q and R mean at the end? I > found these in the > service manual. > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 28 10:13:22 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:13:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Apology for attachments References: <20010228055105.5122.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A9CC132.32918686@xs4all.nl> No problem Stephen. Here some general 'rules' for naktalk: - Large email mailed to the list will be bounced. - Only members of this list can send email to it, so ifi you send mail from another email address it will be bounced. Wouter Stephen Sank wrote: > I just discovered that the large service manual scan > attachments that I thought I was sending to Kannan & > Nick also posted to the list. Sorry for the error. > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 28 14:02:03 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:02:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck Message-ID: <3A9CF6CB.E3E5F66F@sunint.co.za> Gentlemen: I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape recorder for R900.00 (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a two-track machine. I have no idea what this means. Apparently there are four track machines in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s in professional theatre applications and they sounded excellent. I understand that the machine concerned is in very good condition. Would this be a good deal and does anyone here have an idea or opinion of the performance of the machine? Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I remember you mentioned (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which had exceptional performance. How would this rate? The guy who picked it up from an estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound as good as his Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to how, but it's fair to say that the list of machines that sound as good as a well set up CR7 would be, arguably, a short one. Any input would be appreciated. Cheers, MARC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Feb 28 14:41:39 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:41:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck Message-ID: <200102281341.f1SDfdr13098@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Marc, a two-track-machine is intended to play the tape in only one direction. So you can't turn the tape at its end (and of course the is no auto reverse feature) like you can do with a cassette. On a normal cassette you have 4 tracks (stereo left/right for each direction); the two-track machines result in even wider tracks and - possible - in a better sound. The A77 is a rather old machine and can't be compared with the the newer B77 which were available in several different types: 2-track, 4-track, HiSpeed and so on. If you can get your hands on a B77 2-Track, HiSpeed, than grab it. The A77 was available as normal A77, as A77-Dolby B and as A 77 HS (HiSpeed); the last version known to me is a A77 Mk4; unfortunately I can't tell you anything about the age of it. Hope that helps. Klaus > Gentlemen: > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape recorder for R900.00 > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a two-track machine. I > have no idea what this means. Apparently there are four track machines > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s in professional theatre > applications and they sounded excellent. I understand that the machine > concerned is in very good condition. Would this be a good deal and does > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the performance of the machine? > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I remember you mentioned > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which had exceptional > performance. How would this rate? The guy who picked it up from an > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound as good as his > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to how, but it's fair to > say that the list of machines that sound as good as a well set up CR7 > would be, arguably, a short one. > > Any input would be appreciated. > > Cheers, MARC _______________________________________________________________________________ Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de Die große Welt der Kommunikation: E-Mail, Fax, SMS, WAP: http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 28 15:45:31 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:45:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <3A9CF6CB.E3E5F66F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3A9D0F0B.5C2C8DDE@concentric.net> In a previous lifetime, I owned this machine. At the time, it's performance (to me) was nothing short of astounding. I got it as a bargain, because it wasn't working. Serviceability was pretty good -- it was built like a fine swiss watch. Eventually , it also required a new PB head -- this was financially too much for me and I sold it. My deck was a 2 speed, 2 track machine. The main advantage of 2 tracks (vs. 4 track) is lower noise figure (by about 3db) and possibly, slightly lower distortion -- for double the tape cost. This last was considered a great disadvantage, resulting in used 2 track decks going for was substantially less than 4 track decks if the same model, even though the price, new, was identical. I replaced the ReVox with a 2 track Grundig TK-46 and modified it to 4 tracks, winding up with a 4 track deck, with new heads, for far less than its market value. It was pretty good, but by no means close to the ReVox performance. -- Ron Marc Hugo wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape recorder for R900.00 > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a two-track machine. I > have no idea what this means. Apparently there are four track machines > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s in professional theatre > applications and they sounded excellent. I understand that the machine > concerned is in very good condition. Would this be a good deal and does > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the performance of the machine? > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I remember you mentioned > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which had exceptional > performance. How would this rate? The guy who picked it up from an > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound as good as his > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to how, but it's fair to > say that the list of machines that sound as good as a well set up CR7 > would be, arguably, a short one. > > Any input would be appreciated. > > Cheers, MARC > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Feb 28 15:56:59 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:56:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] T100 on German eBay Message-ID: <200102281456.f1SEuxr02051@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Hi guys, browsing through German eBay I found one of those wonderful Nak T100 Audio Analyzers: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1218146487 Anybody interessted in buying it? If there are any problems with the language or buying goods in Germany feel free to ask me for assistance. Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 18mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, Fax, SMS, Verschlüsselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Wed Feb 28 18:07:43 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:07:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <3A9CF6CB.E3E5F66F@sunint.co.za> <3A9D0F0B.5C2C8DDE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3A9D305B.2F90507B@sprintmail.com> Ron wrote: > The main > advantage of 2 tracks (vs. 4 track) is lower noise > figure (by about 3db) and possibly, slightly lower > distortion -- for double the tape cost. This last > was considered a great disadvantage, The advantage of the two track machine was the ease of tape editing for the professional community. I spent many hours over the splicing block with razor blade in hand. (mostly Scully and Ampex machines) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 28 16:07:03 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:07:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <200102281341.f1SDfdr13098@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <00bb01c0a198$1bdaf810$aa496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> ReVox A-77's. Mk. I does not have swinging tape guide on left of headblock. Mk. II has red badge label on swing down head cover, if memory serves, and chrome knob plate. Mk. III has matt gray knob plate. Mk. IV has plastic aluminum colored knobs. I've had Mk. II, III and IV. I don't understand why but Mk. IV is an improvement over earlier versions. But my B-77 is a vast improvement over A-77. Any version you get at $120.00 is a steal. Enjoy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Fendt" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck > Marc, > > a two-track-machine is intended to play the tape in only one direction. So you can't turn the tape at its end (and of course the is no auto reverse feature) like you can do with a cassette. On a normal cassette you have 4 tracks (stereo left/right for each direction); the two-track machines result in even wider tracks and - possible - in a better sound. > > The A77 is a rather old machine and can't be compared with the the newer B77 which were available in several different types: 2-track, 4-track, HiSpeed and so on. If you can get your hands on a B77 2-Track, HiSpeed, than grab it. > > The A77 was available as normal A77, as A77-Dolby B and as A 77 HS (HiSpeed); the last version known to me is a A77 Mk4; unfortunately I can't tell you anything about the age of it. > > Hope that helps. > > Klaus > > > Gentlemen: > > > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape recorder for R900.00 > > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a two-track machine. I > > have no idea what this means. Apparently there are four track machines > > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s in professional theatre > > applications and they sounded excellent. I understand that the machine > > concerned is in very good condition. Would this be a good deal and does > > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the performance of the machine? > > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I remember you mentioned > > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which had exceptional > > performance. How would this rate? The guy who picked it up from an > > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound as good as his > > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to how, but it's fair to > > say that the list of machines that sound as good as a well set up CR7 > > would be, arguably, a short one. > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Cheers, MARC > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de > Die große Welt der Kommunikation: E-Mail, Fax, SMS, WAP: http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 17:10:21 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck In-Reply-To: <3A9CF6CB.E3E5F66F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <20010228161021.25744.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Besides measurable advantages, which are not very impressive, 2-track 1/4" machines just plain sound better. This has become so well recognised in the last few years that 2-track machines are now surpassing 1/4-tracks in resale value, especially 7.5/15ips units. Any 2-track Revox, even a scratched up, nasty looking one, that performs well & has low head wear, is a bargain at $120. I personally have a great deal of affection for A-77's of any generation & work on lots of them still. My favorite Revox, though, is the A-700, with a MkI PR-99 a close second. 2-track, of course. The RCA machine I spoke of previously was the RT-21. Absolutely the best 1/4" machine ever made. I've never seen one on the resale market & I'm sure I would never have found one for myself, had I not inherited my dad's machine. --- Marc Hugo wrote: > Gentlemen: > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape > recorder for R900.00 > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a > two-track machine. I > have no idea what this means. Apparently there are > four track machines > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s in > professional theatre > applications and they sounded excellent. I > understand that the machine > concerned is in very good condition. Would this be > a good deal and does > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the > performance of the machine? > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I > remember you mentioned > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which had > exceptional > performance. How would this rate? The guy who > picked it up from an > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound as > good as his > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to > how, but it's fair to > say that the list of machines that sound as good as > a well set up CR7 > would be, arguably, a short one. > > Any input would be appreciated. > > Cheers, MARC > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Feb 28 17:25:47 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:25:47 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] T100 on German eBay Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425F9B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, Klaus! I would be really interested in getting the thing. The problem is that I wouldn't dare to trust my money to a random eBay-guy I've never seen, especially taking into account that my residence is in Moscow, Russia. I've never met you either, but I do strongly believe that all the permanent Naktalk members are those one can safely rely upon. My proposition would be as follows: you make all the necessary movements for me, just as if you personally would like to get your hands on the Analyzer. Since you're both (I mean you and the seller) located in Germany, you can definitely arrange a shipment on terms "cash upon delivery". In this case I would be 100% sure you've got what I want and as soon as you grab it I would transfer "the cost price of the thing+all accompanying expenses+something for your efforts" to any account you indicate. My colleagues do visit Munich on a regular basis, so they can then just take the thing from you and bring it over to me. What do you think? Nick P.S. Es wäre vielleicht besser, daß wir uns zu dem Thema außerhalb Naktalk kommunizieren. > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Fendt [SMTP:kfendt at web.de] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:57 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] T100 on German eBay > > Hi guys, > > browsing through German eBay I found one of those wonderful Nak T100 Audio > Analyzers: > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1218146487 > > Anybody interessted in buying it? If there are any problems with the > language or buying goods in Germany feel free to ask me for assistance. > > Klaus > > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > __________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 18mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, > Fax, SMS, Verschlüsselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! > http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From leemichaelb at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 17:20:47 2001 From: leemichaelb at yahoo.com (Michael Brian Lee) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:20:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck In-Reply-To: <20010228161021.25744.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010228162047.3748.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Teac 3300-2T (15/7.5 two track) sitting in the back of my closet, picked it up for a song at a garage sale just because it looked neat. Haven't actually tried it yet, although mechanically it seems to do all the right stuff and the heads are in good shape. Maybe I should fire it up and see how it sounds.. --- Stephen Sank wrote: > Besides measurable advantages, which are not very > impressive, 2-track 1/4" machines just plain sound > better. This has become so well recognised in the > last few years that 2-track machines are now > surpassing 1/4-tracks in resale value, especially > 7.5/15ips units. Any 2-track Revox, even a > scratched > up, nasty looking one, that performs well & has low > head wear, is a bargain at $120. I personally have > a > great deal of affection for A-77's of any generation > & > work on lots of them still. My favorite Revox, > though, is the A-700, with a MkI PR-99 a close > second. > 2-track, of course. > The RCA machine I spoke of previously was the RT-21. > > Absolutely the best 1/4" machine ever made. I've > never seen one on the resale market & I'm sure I > would > never have found one for myself, had I not inherited > my dad's machine. > > --- Marc Hugo wrote: > > Gentlemen: > > > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape > > recorder for R900.00 > > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a > > two-track machine. I > > have no idea what this means. Apparently there > are > > four track machines > > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s > in > > professional theatre > > applications and they sounded excellent. I > > understand that the machine > > concerned is in very good condition. Would this > be > > a good deal and does > > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the > > performance of the machine? > > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I > > remember you mentioned > > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which > had > > exceptional > > performance. How would this rate? The guy who > > picked it up from an > > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't sound > as > > good as his > > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to > > how, but it's fair to > > say that the list of machines that sound as good > as > > a well set up CR7 > > would be, arguably, a short one. > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > Cheers, MARC > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ===== > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email > address) > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 17:32:02 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice system with some Nak goodies In-Reply-To: <20010228161021.25744.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/Jadissystem.asp Saw this on audioreview. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 17:35:40 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:35:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NakDragon cd player In-Reply-To: <20010228161021.25744.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anyone ever heard one of these....opinions? http://gallery.consumerreview.com/audio/gallery/files/Dragon1(1).asp Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 18:26:44 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:26:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck In-Reply-To: <20010228162047.3748.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010228172644.25646.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, but I did not mean to include Teac/Tascam in the class of "sounding good". :) Couldn't resist. But seriously, the Teac's don't sound half as good as Studer/Revox, RCA, Tandberg or Otari. They are built generally very well & are quite reliable(save for grease turning to cement on the main pinch arm pivot shaft), but they, & the Akai & Pioneer units, have way inferior heads, as far as sound quality goes. --- Michael Brian Lee wrote: > I have a Teac 3300-2T (15/7.5 two track) sitting in > the back of my closet, picked it up for a song at a > garage sale just because it looked neat. Haven't > actually tried it yet, although mechanically it > seems > to do all the right stuff and the heads are in good > shape. Maybe I should fire it up and see how it > sounds.. > > > --- Stephen Sank wrote: > > Besides measurable advantages, which are not very > > impressive, 2-track 1/4" machines just plain sound > > better. This has become so well recognised in the > > last few years that 2-track machines are now > > surpassing 1/4-tracks in resale value, especially > > 7.5/15ips units. Any 2-track Revox, even a > > scratched > > up, nasty looking one, that performs well & has > low > > head wear, is a bargain at $120. I personally > have > > a > > great deal of affection for A-77's of any > generation > > & > > work on lots of them still. My favorite Revox, > > though, is the A-700, with a MkI PR-99 a close > > second. > > 2-track, of course. > > The RCA machine I spoke of previously was the > RT-21. > > > > Absolutely the best 1/4" machine ever made. I've > > never seen one on the resale market & I'm sure I > > would > > never have found one for myself, had I not > inherited > > my dad's machine. > > > > --- Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Gentlemen: > > > > > > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel > tape > > > recorder for R900.00 > > > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a > > > two-track machine. I > > > have no idea what this means. Apparently there > > are > > > four track machines > > > in existence. I have seen and heard ReVox B77s > > in > > > professional theatre > > > applications and they sounded excellent. I > > > understand that the machine > > > concerned is in very good condition. Would this > > be > > > a good deal and does > > > anyone here have an idea or opinion of the > > > performance of the machine? > > > Or servicability for that matter? Stephen, I > > > remember you mentioned > > > (sometime last year)a particular RCA deck which > > had > > > exceptional > > > performance. How would this rate? The guy who > > > picked it up from an > > > estate sale said he tested it and it didn't > sound > > as > > > good as his > > > Nakamichi CR7E. He wasn't really specific as to > > > how, but it's fair to > > > say that the list of machines that sound as good > > as > > > a well set up CR7 > > > would be, arguably, a short one. > > > > > > Any input would be appreciated. > > > > > > Cheers, MARC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ===== > > Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email > > address) > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone > > Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: stephen_sank at rjknet.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Feb 28 15:04:45 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:04:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <3A9CF6CB.E3E5F66F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <003401c0a18f$69914fe0$0100007f@localhost> Hi Marc, This is older one but as for me - I like it. Two track better than four track machine soundvise. In my opinion 120 is _GOOD_ price if heads are in good condition. Good machine! If properly serviced you should hear at least no difference with CR7. Misha > I have been offered a ReVox A77 reel to reel tape recorder for R900.00 > (approx US Dollars 120.00). Apparently it is a two-track machine. I > have no idea what this means. Apparently there are four track machines ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-3.txt ************************************************************************ From copytec at coqui.net Thu Mar 1 06:41:48 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:41:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <20010228172644.25646.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c0a212$4f6e17a0$3e2f2ac4@coqui.net> Studer/Revox. Simply a legendary name. 8 out of 10 Rec. Studios use Studers' decks followed by Otari in second place. Studer has better service, parts availability and easier for servicing. Sound ? Well, the best, period. I have the 1/2" A-80 in my mastering room, a PR 99 MK ii, B-77 MK ii and an A-710 who has 3 speeds: 7.5, 15 and 30 ips. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > Sorry, but I did not mean to include Teac/Tascam in > the class of "sounding good". :) > Couldn't resist. But seriously, the Teac's don't > sound half as good as Studer/Revox, RCA, Tandberg or > Otari. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 1 05:57:52 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:57:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <20010228172644.25646.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> <003b01c0a212$4f6e17a0$3e2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3A9DD6C3.E269CCDA@snet.net> I'd have to echo Carlos here... the studio that I work at has a pair of A-800 2" 24 track decks that have just been completely rebuilt and an A-80 for 2 track mixdowns. We roll DATS for back up masters, but they never end up being used for final mastering! The Studer's, Neve console, and vintage mics (including a number of RCA ribbons Stephen) are what draw in the clients more than anything else. Ed Carlos wrote: > Studer/Revox. Simply a legendary name. 8 out of 10 Rec. Studios use Studers' > decks followed by Otari in second place. Studer has better service, parts > availability and easier for servicing. Sound ? Well, the best, period. > > I have the 1/2" A-80 in my mastering room, a PR 99 MK ii, B-77 MK ii and an > A-710 who has 3 speeds: 7.5, 15 and 30 ips. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > > Sorry, but I did not mean to include Teac/Tascam in > > the class of "sounding good". :) > > Couldn't resist. But seriously, the Teac's don't > > sound half as good as Studer/Revox, RCA, Tandberg or > > Otari. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Thu Mar 1 11:15:35 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:15:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download In-Reply-To: <3A954807.EDD01257@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Wouter. Thank you for posting this. Can you tell me how to read *.djvu files? James -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 12:11 PM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] PDF download Hi all, If you need a manual you can find them here: http://support.naks.com/support login with: naktalk password: nakaholic I'll use this solution until I have a better one because the FTP server is down. Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Mar 1 14:29:02 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:29:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck References: <20010228172644.25646.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014801c0a253$b19cc340$0100007f@localhost> Hi Stephen, I was offered with old Philips 4xxx (some numers), which has 38 speed (sorry have no idea about American standards) and full autoreverse. Do you know anything good or bad about Philips reel-to-reel deck of early 80-th? Thanks, Misha > Sorry, but I did not mean to include Teac/Tascam in > the class of "sounding good". :) > Couldn't resist. But seriously, the Teac's don't > sound half as good as Studer/Revox, RCA, Tandberg or > Otari. They are built generally very well & are quite > reliable(save for grease turning to cement on the main > pinch arm pivot shaft), but they, & the Akai & Pioneer > units, have way inferior heads, as far as sound > quality goes. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Mar 1 15:34:52 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:34:52 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FA4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I'm sorry for asking a question not related to our valued Naks, but I was way too suprised by the look of an old Hitachi deck (D5500M or something) I recently came across in one our local pawn-shops. This monster is nearly as big in height as two Dragons stacked up. It has VU-meters, a whole lotta knobs, buttons and multicoloured tape-calibration bulbs. It even has a separate VU-indicator for BIAS, the thing I've never seen in my life on any other deck! The cassette well is of an open type, just like by Tandberg 3014. Does anybody know, what the heck is it? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stephen806 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 16:50:04 2001 From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ReVox A77 2-Track Reel to Reel Tape Deck In-Reply-To: <014801c0a253$b19cc340$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <20010301155005.17269.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> I've never seen a Philips open reel deck. I would be shocked if it was very good, judging by the other stuff they've ever made. I believe 38cm/sec is 15ips. --- MVM wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > I was offered with old Philips 4xxx (some numers), > which has 38 speed (sorry have no idea about > American standards) and full autoreverse. > Do you know anything good or bad about Philips > reel-to-reel deck of early 80-th? > > Thanks, > Misha > > > > Sorry, but I did not mean to include Teac/Tascam > in > > the class of "sounding good". :) > > Couldn't resist. But seriously, the Teac's don't > > sound half as good as Studer/Revox, RCA, Tandberg > or > > Otari. They are built generally very well & are > quite > > reliable(save for grease turning to cement on the > main > > pinch arm pivot shaft), but they, & the Akai & > Pioneer > > units, have way inferior heads, as far as sound > > quality goes. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ===== Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address) Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Regular email address: bk11 at thuntek.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Fri Mar 2 00:27:34 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:27:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FA4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001801c0a2a7$339959a0$1606efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck Sounds cool. How much do they want for it? Kevin Rogers > I'm sorry for asking a question not related to our valued Naks, but I was > way too suprised by the look of an old Hitachi deck (D5500M or something) I > recently came across in one our local pawn-shops. This monster is nearly as > big in height as two Dragons stacked up. It has VU-meters, a whole lotta > knobs, buttons and multicoloured tape-calibration bulbs. It even has a > separate VU-indicator for BIAS, the thing I've never seen in my life on any > other deck! The cassette well is of an open type, just like by Tandberg > 3014. > > Does anybody know, what the heck is it? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 2 02:14:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:14:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New email address for Stephen Sank Message-ID: <00a001c0a2b6$2b194d80$483442cf@sank1> I now have a new ISP & email address, bk11 at thuntek.net & will have a new website url in the next few days as well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Mar 2 11:45:06 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:45:06 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FA6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Just 250$. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers [SMTP:ktrogers at execulink.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:34 AM > Subject: [naktalk] An old Hitachi tape deck > > Sounds cool. How much do they want for it? > > > Kevin Rogers > > > I'm sorry for asking a question not related to our valued Naks, but I > was > > way too suprised by the look of an old Hitachi deck (D5500M or > something) > I > > recently came across in one of our local pawn-shops. This monster is > nearly > as > > big in height as two Dragons stacked up. It has VU-meters, a whole lotta > > knobs, buttons and multicoloured tape-calibration bulbs. It even has a > > separate VU-indicator for BIAS, the thing I've never seen in my life on > any > > other deck! The cassette well is of an open type, just like by Tandberg > > 3014. > > > > Does anybody know, what the heck is it? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Mar 2 12:07:55 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:07:55 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FAD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen or anybody, 1) what is the transverse shift (in fractions of mm) of a head (in, say ZX-9) when Head-Hight-gear is turned 360°? 2) what is the turning angle of (in °) of a head when Azimuth-gear is turned 360°? Thanks Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 2 17:16:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:16:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head azimuth References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FAD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <004101c0a334$335c7ca0$973442cf@sank1> I can't imagine when I would have ever needed to know this information. As a guess, I would say 1mm & 10 degrees. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] > Stephen or anybody, > > 1) what is the transverse shift (in fractions of mm) of a head (in, say > ZX-9) when Head-Hight-gear is turned 360�? > 2) what is the turning angle of (in �) of a head when Azimuth-gear is turned > 360�? > > Thanks > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Mar 2 17:56:31 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:56:31 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Head azimuth Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FB0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Very simple. I worked on the ZX-7 of my friend and discovered the heads to be severely misaligned, as if on purpose. I told him that, he shared this information with someone else also owning a Nak (don't know which model yet) and that guy expressed the desire to have his Nak serviced as well, 'cos he bought it second-hand and always suspected there was something wrong with the heads. I asked my friend to inform that guy, that in case I'll do any corrections on the heads, he will probably never be able to enjoy records he has already done with the machine. The guy asked why and in addition turned to be pretty inquisitive person. This is how the question arose. This information is, naturally, of no practical use, but... who knows. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head azimuth > > I can't imagine when I would have ever needed to know this information. > As > a guess, I would say 1mm & 10 degrees. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:07 AM > Subject: [naktalk] > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > 1) what is the transverse shift (in fractions of mm) of a head (in, say > > ZX-9) when Head-Hight-gear is turned 360°? > > 2) what is the turning angle of (in °) of a head when Azimuth-gear is > turned > > 360°? > > > > Thanks > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Fri Mar 2 23:42:07 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:42:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FAD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hello. I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I do not want to violate any posting rules. Thanks in advance. Frank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at jps.net Sat Mar 3 08:07:23 2001 From: rob755 at jps.net (Robert A. Hamilton) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:07:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > Hello. > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I do > not want to violate any posting rules. > Thanks in advance. > > Frank > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see Stephen is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of choice" amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached at his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Sat Mar 3 08:37:11 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:37:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <861163452.20010303083711@web.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Frank, as far as I am concerned I can recommend Mr Stephen Sank who normally posts nearly every day on this list. I decided to send my Dragon from Germany to USA last year in order to get it serviced. OK - I had to pay horrible shipping costs and ran into trouble with the German customs office, but the work Stephen has done was absolutely excellent. In addition to that he normally answers technical questions directly so little misalignments can be fixed probably by your own. I don't have the exact address at hand right now but I certainly can give it to you next week when I'm back in the office again when no postings from Stephen have reached the list until then. Regards Klaus Fendt - -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de Am Freitag, 2. März 2001, 23:42:07, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten: > Hello. > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I > do not want to violate any posting rules. > Thanks in advance. > Frank -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOqCRGKDRCWM8qMAXEQI3gQCg6T3rsUPvB9NVBnPU396ZEoGe3aoAn1So Q0NxyUkYP5oI6Hma243CY7AS =HyM/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 3 15:48:45 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:48:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: Message-ID: <003001c0a3f1$0c97e1a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Hamilton" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > Hello. > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I do > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > > ===== > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see Stephen > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of choice" > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached at > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 16:27:30 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:27:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] References: <003001c0a3f1$0c97e1a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <001701c0a32d$4e6d0fc0$41299bca@smarzuki> This is one rare question that I can answer with confidence .... :-) Stephen's website has recently been changed but a new one will be up soon ! You can also try Jeff Galin at eslabs at snet.net or http://www.eslabs.com/. He's not that active in this list but maybe located closer to your area. Regards, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > > > Hello. > > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I > do > > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > > ===== > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > > ===== > > > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see > Stephen > > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of choice" > > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached at > > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 3 17:18:14 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:18:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: <003001c0a3f1$0c97e1a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <001701c0a32d$4e6d0fc0$41299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008e01c0a3fd$8ccbe540$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> My advice would be to stay with Stephen Sank and not Jeff Galin. Both men do outstanding work on Nakamichi's but I think you will find that Stephen will charge much more realistic prices than Jeff Galin. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > This is one rare question that I can answer with confidence .... :-) > Stephen's website has recently been changed but a new one will be up soon ! > > You can also try Jeff Galin at eslabs at snet.net or http://www.eslabs.com/. > He's not that active in this list but maybe located closer to your area. > > Regards, > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > > > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hello. > > > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a > good > > > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? > I > > do > > > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > == > > > > ===== > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > == > > > > ===== > > > > > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see > > Stephen > > > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of > choice" > > > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > > > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached > at > > > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Sat Mar 3 18:50:44 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:50:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <008e01c0a3fd$8ccbe540$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: Hello Gentlemen. Thank you all for your recommendations. I did not expect such a quick response. I will contact them both and see what they can tell me about it. I have seen Stephen's postings and have been impressed with his knowledge and advice. I bought the ZX-7 at a garage sale and have never used it. I use both a 680 and an RX-505 on a regular basis, but have heard that the ZX-7 is a great deck too. I cannot image it is better than my 680 because I find that deck to be flawless, but I am certainly no Nak expert. This group is great! Regards, Frank "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My advice would be to stay with Stephen Sank and not Jeff Galin. Both men do outstanding work on Nakamichi's but I think you will find that Stephen will charge much more realistic prices than Jeff Galin. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > This is one rare question that I can answer with confidence .... :-) > Stephen's website has recently been changed but a new one will be up soon ! > > You can also try Jeff Galin at eslabs at snet.net or http://www.eslabs.com/. > He's not that active in this list but maybe located closer to your area. > > Regards, > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > > > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hello. > > > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a > good > > > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? > I > > do > > > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > == > > > > ===== > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > == > > > > ===== > > > > > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see > > Stephen > > > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of > choice" > > > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > > > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached > at > > > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Mar 3 19:15:49 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:15:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: Message-ID: <001501c0a40d$fafeb320$a306efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Hamilton" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: Welcome Frank. Stephen Sank is definitely the man to contact. He is nothing short of a magician in servicing Naks or any other tape deck! Kevin Rogers > > > Hello. > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I do > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > > ===== > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see Stephen > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of choice" > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached at > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Sat Mar 3 19:21:22 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:21:22 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] PDF download In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01-Mar-01 FrankMcCloud wrote: > Thank you for posting this. Can you tell me how to read *.djvu files? Did you have a look in the README.djvu file which is there along with the RX505 service and user manual (which is the only one in djvu I think). International section If I remeber correctly. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html Sent: 03-Mar-01, 19:20:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Sat Mar 3 19:44:55 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:44:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PDF download In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi K.H. I did a search on the 'net and was able to find a plug-in for my browser that enabled me to read that type of file. Regards, Frank "Everything that can be invented has been invented." --Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899 -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 1:21 PM To: FrankMcCloud Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] PDF download On 01-Mar-01 FrankMcCloud wrote: > Thank you for posting this. Can you tell me how to read *.djvu files? Did you have a look in the README.djvu file which is there along with the RX505 service and user manual (which is the only one in djvu I think). International section If I remeber correctly. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html Sent: 03-Mar-01, 19:20:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 3 21:45:58 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:45:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: <003001c0a3f1$0c97e1a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <001701c0a32d$4e6d0fc0$41299bca@smarzuki> <008e01c0a3fd$8ccbe540$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <009001c0a422$f4d643e0$4a021fac@brianm> This was a discussion in the past and I hope we do not re-visit it! I have had service by Jeffrey at ES Labs on my ZX-9 and CR-7A and he not only did great work, but $blessed$ me greatly on my CR-7A, Jeffrey knows what I am talking about! Stephan's reputation needs no explanation as he has many satisfied customers on this forum. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > My advice would be to stay with Stephen Sank and not Jeff Galin. Both men > do outstanding work on Nakamichi's but I think you will find that Stephen > will charge much more realistic prices than Jeff Galin. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > > This is one rare question that I can answer with confidence .... :-) > > Stephen's website has recently been changed but a new one will be up soon > ! > > > > You can also try Jeff Galin at eslabs at snet.net or http://www.eslabs.com/. > > He's not that active in this list but maybe located closer to your area. > > > > Regards, > > SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > > > I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > > > > > > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello. > > > > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a > > good > > > > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this > group? > > I > > > do > > > > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > == > > > > > ===== > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > == > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see > > > Stephen > > > > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of > > choice" > > > > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > > > > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached > > at > > > > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Mar 3 22:01:08 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:01:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Galin was 8 times more expensive than Stephen on my last quote. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 3 22:23:48 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:23:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: Message-ID: <00c301c0a428$3ce324a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Enough said! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] > Jeff Galin was 8 times more expensive than Stephen on my last quote. > > Alex > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Mar 3 23:06:48 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:06:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: <003001c0a3f1$0c97e1a0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <3AA16AF7.C7D6AC93@snet.net> How can I resist... Stephen is the best! All my Naks go to him even though the trip is several thousand miles across the country. His work is the best and I can prove it with the test bench readings I get when stuff comes back! Ed "John M. Tooley" wrote: > I'll second that, Stephen does excellent work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert A. Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > on 3/2/01 2:42 PM, FrankMcCloud at frankmccloud at Home.com wrote: > > > > > Hello. > > > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > > > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I > do > > > not want to violate any posting rules. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > > ===== > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > > ===== > > > > > Hi Frank, Contact Stephen Sank at bk11 at thuntek.net You will soon see > Stephen > > is a major contributor to this site & the renowned "technician of choice" > > amongst Nak circles. In fact I just got my ZX-9 back from him...sounds > > great. Kind Regards, Rob H. (new e-mail address. Can also be reached at > > his place of business: Champlain Valley Speaker Company (505)332-0336 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Mar 3 23:14:36 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 17:14:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: Message-ID: <3AA16CCC.A1ECF26C@snet.net> I'm not sure we need to pull this thread again... let me just say that I know both of these people personally and they are both very nice people that do superb work. Yes Jeff is more expensive, but that is his choice and I'm sure is partly driven by the fact that he is supporting a full staff and has what is probably far greater overhead and cost of living expenses up here in "bleed you dry" Connecticut compared to Stephen's one man operation in New Mexico. Stephen is certainly the most fair person I know and does great work, but I will also say that Jeff has always been a true gentleman to me and helped me out greatly on several occasions. Enough said! Ed Alex Cagann wrote: > Jeff Galin was 8 times more expensive than Stephen on my last quote. > > Alex > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 3 08:51:27 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:51:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] - sorry. References: <3AA16CCC.A1ECF26C@snet.net> Message-ID: <001b01c0a3b7$dbd0a2c0$65299bca@smarzuki> Oooops !!! Sorry guys ! I'm on this list only since last Sept. and I'm not aware of previous discussion. I sincerely didn't intend to bring out bad memories. In my case, physical distance is the only thing that separates me and all those Nak goodies, that's why I thought it's important to note. I agree 150% with what Ed said. After all both gentlemen are very helpful to us Nakfellows ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] > I'm not sure we need to pull this thread again... let me just say that I know both of > these people personally and they are both very nice people that do superb work. Yes > Jeff is more expensive, but that is his choice and I'm sure is partly driven by the > fact that he is supporting a full staff and has what is probably far greater overhead > and cost of living expenses up here in "bleed you dry" Connecticut compared to > Stephen's one man operation in New Mexico. Stephen is certainly the most fair person I > know and does great work, but I will also say that Jeff has always been a true > gentleman to me and helped me out greatly on several occasions. Enough said! > > Ed > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > Jeff Galin was 8 times more expensive than Stephen on my last quote. > > > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 4 18:48:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:48:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] References: Message-ID: <3AA27FE1.730A123F@concentric.net> FrankMcCloud wrote: > > Hello. > I am new to the group and was wondering if anyone can tell me of a good > place to send a zx-7 for service. Also, is there a FAQ for this group? I do > not want to violate any posting rules. > Thanks in advance. > > Frank I have no personal experience with Jeff Galin, though I understand he does excellent work and has a large parts stocks in house. I also understand his prices are high. I do have experience with Stephen Sank. He repaired my $2000 prosumer VCR, after the manufacturer service center said I should discard it. Stephen also serviced my Nakamichi CR-7a (and diagnosed an elusive problem) -- it now sounds better than it ever did before. His prices were reasonable and his attitude and helpfulness exemplary. I thought the extra time was well worthwhile. I recommend him highly. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 4 20:46:34 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:46:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RM300! Message-ID: <3AA29B9A.B49AE842@xs4all.nl> I guess wufwufl already has one... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1218701060 Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Mar 4 22:26:43 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:26:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox A-77 Message-ID: <009901c0a4f1$d053cb80$38021fac@brianm> If anyone is interested, my local paper has a Revox A-77 listed. Revox -- Reel-to-reel recorder player. Model A-77. With about 36 7' & 9" tapes. All good shape. $400. 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Name: not available URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Mar 6 05:19:13 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:19:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay In-Reply-To: <20010306035917.742EB1DFD60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: I have a CR4. Bought it on e-Bay about 3 months ago for $250. It is in excellent shape. CR4 is an excellent unit. It looks like CR3, but has the transport from CR5, i.e., direct drive engine, etc. (The wow&flutter numbers 0.027/0.048% are the same for CR4, CR5, and CR7) It also has calibration system for bias and level. Tapes made on this deck are hard to tell from the original. I also have a CR2, and the CR4 is much better deck. $575 is a very steep price for this deck. Yes, it has retailed for $995, but it is at least 10 years old. In that price range I would rather look for a CR7, ZX-9, or a Dragon. CR4 was a very proper deck, but neverless not a classic. Spending $700 on any of the other three will get you more of a classic. Even CR5 looks more solid (although no calibration system) and I have seen those go for less. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Mon, March 05, 2001 9:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting it is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? Hope wufwufl have a CR4. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Tue Mar 6 05:54:53 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:54:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? In-Reply-To: <20010306035917.742EB1DFD60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Although I'm a big reel to reel fan, looking at E-bay, I've been getting an itch to indulge and pick up a nice high end Nakamichi deck while there are some mint ones still around. Wondered what the consensus is for what is the best return for the money, as well as actual overall satisfaction. In the running are of course, The Dragon, The CR-7, and the RX-505, or perhaps some other suggestion. Budget is about $700 - 800. Specifically wondered if the Dragon (I've never used one) was an overkill with all it's extra knobs and buttons. How often do the actual owners of this deck actually use these controls, once it is calibrated for a particular tape. (I'd love to hear what each of those buttons and knobs do!) What tape works best with the Dragon? Which of these decks require the gear upgrade that I need to watch for. (Don't want the idler!!) Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 6 06:41:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:11:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? Message-ID: <20010306054134.202EE1E0001@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 10:12:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:12:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay References: <20010306035917.742EB1DFD60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000d01c0a61d$9557de40$433442cf@sank1> I agree with Stan. The CR-4 is an excellent deck, but not quite in CR-7/5 territory. It is essentially a BX-300 with a nice little calibration system. I think top end on a nice CR-4 is more properly in the $400 range. The guy won't get any bids, unless he gets really, really lucky. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting it is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 10:25:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:25:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <002101c0a61f$7317a3e0$433442cf@sank1> I concur with Kannan. The Dragon is only the best choice if you trade tapes a lot, or otherwise have a lot of tapes to play that were recorded on other machines. The CR-7, in my opinion, is the best deck for overall recording/playback, if after serial #A130-09500(or has been to me). However, mechanically, the RX-505 will out-live the CR-7(exceptional maintenance care notwithstanding), as it has a belt drive version of the Dragon's real Nak transport(and is, in fact, identical entirely to that of the 1000/700ZXL & etc.). It is an excellent "basic" deck, but the lack of any auto or manual calibration system makes it a less good choice for the serious recordist. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > > Although I'm a big reel to reel fan, looking at E-bay, I've been getting an > itch to indulge and pick up a nice high end Nakamichi deck while there are > some mint ones still around. Wondered what the consensus is for what is the > best return for the money, as well as actual overall satisfaction. In the > running are of course, The Dragon, The CR-7, and the RX-505, or perhaps some > other suggestion. Budget is about $700 - 800. > > Specifically wondered if the Dragon (I've never used one) was an overkill > with all it's extra knobs and buttons. How often do the actual owners of > this deck actually use these controls, once it is calibrated for a > particular tape. (I'd love to hear what each of those buttons and knobs do!) > What tape works best with the Dragon? Which of these decks require the gear > upgrade that I need to watch for. (Don't want the idler!!) > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Mar 6 11:13:10 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:13:10 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FB9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, what is in your opinion top end on a nice ZX-7? > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > I agree with Stan. The CR-4 is an excellent deck, but not quite in CR-7/5 > territory. It is essentially a BX-300 with a nice little calibration > system. I think top end on a nice CR-4 is more properly in the $400 > range. > The guy won't get any bids, unless he gets really, really lucky. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting > it > is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? > Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good > bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 6 12:16:57 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:46:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay Message-ID: <20010306111657.594921DFD44@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Mar 6 13:29:39 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:29:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FBC@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks for your input, Kannan. Very interesting. However, asking the question below, I wanted actually to hear an opinion of what can a decent ZX-7 cost at max. Well, never mind. I hope Stephen will answer this question. BTW, since you're so inquisitive (just like me!) I have to tell you, that in, hopefully, an hour I'll post up a brief tune-up report of my ZX-7 (what was OK and what wasn't). Let's discuss then. OK? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > Nick > Sorry to intervene here - anyway Stephen would definitely answer you, > > my openion after replacing pinch rollar and aligning the head on 582, and > seeing its performance ( almost 15 years or more it had worked and I had > written off the deck an year ago)after these changes -- I feel ZX7 / 9 > should be an excellent choice because they have this wonderful mechanism > which would spin without problem even after 20 years ( which is true of > Dragon and if RX505 has the same mechanism then that also would have > similar sturdyness). > > ZX series electonics are excellent - more tweaking possible to get a > seriously flat response. Plus both have bias / level and Azimuth ( record > head) adjusting feature which I think are the best part of any Nak three > heads. Since they have manual azimuth adjusting facility, they will not > have problem anytime unlike auto feature on 68x series with additional > motor which can malfunction after long use. > I think ZX series have a special place in Nak deck history. They are > relatively new and definitely the mechanism had taken a better shape from > Dragon/ ZX series compared to 582. I am yet to look in to a 68x series > machine eventhough Mark Nutter says that 68x series also have sturdy > mechanism. My only complaint of one mint ZX9 ( I refused a zx 9 after > seeing lot of wires and circuit boards an year ago without service manual > - I regret it!) was that the quality of front facia was below par > compared to CR series. Secondly it has complex circuit boards with large > amount of wiring like Dragon - difficult to service. > I assume ZX 7 with its belt drive will be slightly below zx9 which sounded > (Playback) more like a tube amplifier to me. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:29 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > >Stephen, what is in your opinion top end on a nice ZX-7? > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Mar 6 15:34:31 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:34:31 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FBD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> 1. Mechanical part * Discovered literally heaps of hardened grease or used caked oil everywhere: capstans, pinch roller axles etc. Cleaned and lubricated anew. * Plastic parts of the CAM-mechanism creaked and groaned like... well, you know. Cleaned and lubricated. * Felt pad on the back tension arm (supply side) turned to be completely worn out. Replaced. * CAM itself was slightly misaligned. Corrected after a while. * The main problem, that remained unsolved is the notorious IDLER, which turned to be worn as hell. If the friction between the brass pulley of the reel motor and the idler still exists, than that between the idler and the plastic reel hubs does almost not, resulting in really poor tape wind, especially evident on cassettes with "tough" mechanics. This sucks. * Both record and playback heads turned to be severely misaligned, as if on puprose. It seemed as if the previous owner tried to "re-adjust" them by thoughtlessly screwing the HEAD HIGHT gears, as those are the only ones plainly visible when cassette well cover removed. Re-aligned all heads. 2. Electrical part (refer to "Electrical Adjustments And Measurements" off the Manual) Step 1 - passed Step 2 - see Step 3 Step 3 - everything seemed to be quasi-OK, except that I couldn't quite bring the results of both steps (2 & 3) together, namely: according to Service Manual, when finished with Step 3, I'm supposed to return to Step 2 and re-adjust the Tone Level. When I tried to do this I noticed that the desired result cannot be obtained, because in my case the settings of Step 3 violate the settings of Step 2 slightly and vice versa. The best thing I managed to do is to 100% comply with Step 3, whereupon only substeps 1 thru 5 of Step 2 could be found satisfactory. The last substep 6 (of Step 2) has been giving me -17dB at the Output jacks instead of -20dB required. Everything else is 100% OK. Can this drawback be neglected? Step 4 - passed Step 5 - passed Step 6 - passed Step 7 - here I ran into some little trouble again, namely: I couldn't obtain less than 100mV on the left channel (90mV required) - the trim pot reached its deadlock. Right channel - OK. For uniformity's sake I made both channels 100mV. Step 8 - passed Step 9 - passed Step 10 - It's miraculous, but I couldn't proceed with this Step at all due to absence of the signal at the Test Points specified. Well, in fact there was some very very weak signal on my Voltmeter, but it wasn't affected by screwing of the coils specified in any way. Step 11 - passed Step 12 - see Step 10. No less miraculous. Step 13 - passed Step 14 - Also a very interesting Step. Calibration at 15kHz gives exclusively positive results with any tape (I, II or IV). Calibration at 400Hz gives positive results with Type I only ("0"-point on the indicator can be obtained easily). The same procedure with Type II or IV does NOT allow me to obtain "0"-mark on the meters ever (they show approx. -2, -3dB) irrespective of which Tape is used (Maxell, TDK, etc.) It has to be separately emphasized, that even with the naked eye it's obvious, that the heads are significantly worn. Can this explain at least some of the problems above? However, I tried to record music on this deck and did not discover any problems with how it sounds. I did even manage to read its frequency response, and found it to be pretty flat in the whole range. Ain't it strange? Thanks a lot for your patience Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 17:05:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:05:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FB9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00c401c0a657$46f68320$433442cf@sank1> Now that someone has finally comissioned me to "performance mod" a ZX-9, I must say that my high esteem for the ZX's is declining a bit. As Kannan points out, there is a lot of wiring. Upon finally looking at this from an "upgrading" viewpoint, I find that Nak made some bizarre choices on where to put things, resulting in excessively long & numerous wire paths for the signal. The worst example is the output line amp & the tape-source switch. The line amp, which is where everything goes before outputting, is at the "far" end of the Dolby board(as seen when the board is unscrewed & hinged down). The monitor switch is as far as it can possibly be from this point, requiring the longest wire paths for the source monitor & Pb output lines + the return lines from the switch. Fully a foot of cheesy wire for each line. Then another foot of wire to get from line amp to volume control to output jacks. Plus, the separate Dolby board in itself requires numerous long wire paths for the pb & rec signals to go back & forth from the main board. All added up, I am very surprised the deck can sound good at all, let alone sound as good as Dragon. I'm damn near disgusted with Nak's engineers. I feel I must convert the monitor switch to merely a relay control switch, mounting a couple of nice sealed relays at the line amp location. This is a huge wire reduction, but it still leaves a whole lot of wire to replace with good wire. On the "bright side", at least I can expect a rather monumental improvement in sonics, even before doing the component upgrades in the amp circuits. What a pain in the neck, though! Literally NO other Nak has such absurd wiring. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > Stephen, what is in your opinion top end on a nice ZX-7? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:13 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > I agree with Stan. The CR-4 is an excellent deck, but not quite in CR-7/5 > > territory. It is essentially a BX-300 with a nice little calibration > > system. I think top end on a nice CR-4 is more properly in the $400 > > range. > > The guy won't get any bids, unless he gets really, really lucky. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting > > it > > is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? > > Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good > > bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > > > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 17:27:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FBD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00da01c0a65a$51a35520$433442cf@sank1> On Step 2/3, it is strange that your results are not quite right, but what is of the only real importance is that you can accurately read the source level vs the pb level on the meters when doing the user bias/level calibrations. Beyond that, you can be somewhat arbitrary about what the actual levels are. On step 7, you should really be looking for 1Vrms at the output jacks. I am unsure why they chose to measure at the MS25/26 TP's. I always go by the actual output level at the jacks, as I also do on step 2/3. On step 10, I'm puzzled by the lack of a strong signal, assuming you're in record mode, but in any case this is an adjustment that I have never found to be needing adjustment. So, don't worry about it! On the remaining steps, I suspect your results are affected by the step 2/3 adjustments. Repeat those steps using output jacks as the test points & see if this is cured. It sounds like your head wear has not yet affected performance, as frequency response is the first thing affected, not actual rec/pb levels. And don't forget to replace as many of those bloody orange film caps as you can, especially in the tone oscillator & bias oscillator circuits! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > 1. Mechanical part > > * Discovered literally heaps of hardened grease or used caked oil > everywhere: capstans, pinch roller axles etc. Cleaned and lubricated anew. > * Plastic parts of the CAM-mechanism creaked and groaned like... well, > you know. Cleaned and lubricated. > * Felt pad on the back tension arm (supply side) turned to be > completely worn out. Replaced. > * CAM itself was slightly misaligned. Corrected after a while. > * The main problem, that remained unsolved is the notorious IDLER, > which turned to be worn as hell. If the friction between the brass pulley of > the reel motor and the idler still exists, than that between the idler and > the plastic reel hubs does almost not, resulting in really poor tape wind, > especially evident on cassettes with "tough" mechanics. This sucks. > * Both record and playback heads turned to be severely misaligned, as > if on puprose. It seemed as if the previous owner tried to "re-adjust" them > by thoughtlessly screwing the HEAD HIGHT gears, as those are the only ones > plainly visible when cassette well cover removed. Re-aligned all heads. > > 2. Electrical part (refer to "Electrical Adjustments And Measurements" off > the Manual) > > Step 1 - passed > Step 2 - see Step 3 > Step 3 - everything seemed to be quasi-OK, except that I couldn't quite > bring the results of both steps (2 & 3) together, namely: according to > Service Manual, when finished with Step 3, I'm supposed to return to Step 2 > and re-adjust the Tone Level. When I tried to do this I noticed that the > desired result cannot be obtained, because in my case the settings of Step 3 > violate the settings of Step 2 slightly and vice versa. The best thing I > managed to do is to 100% comply with Step 3, whereupon only substeps 1 thru > 5 of Step 2 could be found satisfactory. The last substep 6 (of Step 2) has > been giving me -17dB at the Output jacks instead of -20dB required. > Everything else is 100% OK. Can this drawback be neglected? > > Step 4 - passed > Step 5 - passed > Step 6 - passed > Step 7 - here I ran into some little trouble again, namely: I couldn't > obtain less than 100mV on the left channel (90mV required) - the trim pot > reached its deadlock. Right channel - OK. For uniformity's sake I made both > channels 100mV. > Step 8 - passed > Step 9 - passed > Step 10 - It's miraculous, but I couldn't proceed with this Step at all due > to absence of the signal at the Test Points specified. Well, in fact there > was some very very weak signal on my Voltmeter, but it wasn't affected by > screwing of the coils specified in any way. > Step 11 - passed > Step 12 - see Step 10. No less miraculous. > Step 13 - passed > Step 14 - Also a very interesting Step. Calibration at 15kHz gives > exclusively positive results with any tape (I, II or IV). Calibration at > 400Hz gives positive results with Type I only ("0"-point on the indicator > can be obtained easily). The same procedure with Type II or IV does NOT > allow me to obtain "0"-mark on the meters ever (they show approx. -2, -3dB) > irrespective of which Tape is used (Maxell, TDK, etc.) > > It has to be separately emphasized, that even with the naked eye it's > obvious, that the heads are significantly worn. Can this explain at least > some of the problems above? However, I tried to record music on this deck > and did not discover any problems with how it sounds. I did even manage to > read its frequency response, and found it to be pretty flat in the whole > range. Ain't it strange? > > Thanks a lot for your patience > > Nick > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 16:51:01 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:51:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: <002101c0a61f$7317a3e0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002c01c0a592$1af8dfe0$b8289bca@smarzuki> How different is 505 et al real-nak transport with 482 ? I could not see the difference between 482 and 582 transport (which I though is the belt version of real-nak trans) on the manuals ? BTW my transistor on ff rw area 'smoked' when I misaligned the cam wheel. Scary ! Interestingly it worked better thereafter (no intermittent fault anymore). :-) Off topic : I happen to spot (in this nak-rare-land) a 581, in better shape than 660zx but with broken supply tape guide. Luck has it that I mostly come across monitor-less 3 head deck. Which one would you kind nakfellows choose ? I always wanted a 680 or ZX9/7 (lucky Nick !) and 582 would be a good fill-in. I can't imagine setting up bias etc on monitor-less deck, record-rewind-play-trim cycle. Or am I wrong ? I can see the point of auto-adjust rec head in no-monitor 660, but 400hz and 15k test tone on 581 ?? What good would that be without monitor ? I'd assume there's a "mini-monitor" only enough to calibrate the setup meter. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > I concur with Kannan. The Dragon is only the best choice if you trade tapes > a lot, or otherwise have a lot of tapes to play that were recorded on other > machines. The CR-7, in my opinion, is the best deck for overall > recording/playback, if after serial #A130-09500(or has been to me). > However, mechanically, the RX-505 will out-live the CR-7(exceptional > maintenance care notwithstanding), as it has a belt drive version of the > Dragon's real Nak transport(and is, in fact, identical entirely to that of > the 1000/700ZXL & etc.). It is an excellent "basic" deck, but the lack of > any auto or manual calibration system makes it a less good choice for the > serious recordist. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 16:57:46 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:57:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay References: <20010306035917.742EB1DFD60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002d01c0a592$1d11fbe0$b8289bca@smarzuki> Saw one the other day for $154.50 !!! Item #1212720836 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1212720836 Even bx-es still fetch 200. I guess the declining price of dragons is a matter of steady supply. I've been eyeing carver tx11 but now when supply is scarce price went up to 300 ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting it is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Tue Mar 6 17:43:54 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:43:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? In-Reply-To: <20010306054134.202EE1E0001@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Thanx for the excellent info on the decks, Kannan and Stephen! Whatever my choice finally is, it will be making it's way down to you for a tune-up, Stephen, if it already has not visited you recently. I do have a large cassette collection made up over the last 20 years, made mostly on Maxell XL-IIS, on a variety of decks I own(ed) including a Aiwa ADF-810 3 Head and 3 lower end Nakamichi's (BX-100, DR-2 and DR-3). So perhaps the Dragon is the way to go. I never share my tapes with others, not even for the car since I have been using a dbx 224 (Type II NR) for NR for years. I am now using a dbx 150 (Type I) with professional noise reduction, yielding very good results. 2 Questions: I know that Nakamichi's Dolby C is exceptional, however has anyone used dbx professional with a Dragon or CR-7A? Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? If it is used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing aspect on Side 2 of the tape? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 17:38:20 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:38:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? Message-ID: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, I still suffer from this phenomena that a tape recorded on Nak (CR) sounds not right when played on other deck, compared to say, tape recorded on sony or teac better decks. On the other hand, if I played sony recorded tape on Nak then all glory is back (almost the same with Nak-made played on same Nak deck), the reverse is still not true to my ears. I know that you've agreed that emphasis level (3180 usec?) has nothing to do with it and that Nak-non nak compatibility is a myth. Probably a matter of diiferent 0 db standard, or a much better playback amp on Naks, I don't know. Anyway, the question is - what other specific deck would do a good quality recordings and at the same time achieve (almost) similar playback quality as your beloved Nak ? The tricky part is that price is still a concern, otherwise I'd shoot for teac Z or revox. I tried Denon 710 (no good), akai gx7 (uf), teac 888/850 (quite ok) and sony 333es (getting close). Never tried nad, yamaha, pioneer. May I know the result or your years of experience ? New model ideas is also welcome (that tck3es should be good) also curious regarding mixed reviews of new technics z head. Best regards, Salim SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Mar 6 17:54:35 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:54:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FB9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <00c401c0a657$46f68320$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00a601c0a65e$214ffa00$06021fac@brianm> Interesting comments Stephen. I have to wonder then how awesome the deck is if the wiring it cleaned up? I say this as I have owned the ZX-9 and CR-7A at the same time and when comparing the two I found it was splitting hairs to tell the differences. I know in discussions in the past you felt the CR-7 had a slight playback advantage, this may be true. I felt when I was comparing them that I liked the recording done on the ZX-9 but playback may have had that slight advantage on the CR-7. When I took the tape recorded on the ZX-9 and played it on the CR-7 it *possibly* sounded better, again, it was close. I didn't see where playback was improved at all when I took the cassette recorded on the CR-7 and played it back on the ZX-9. Any thoughts/comments? Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > Now that someone has finally comissioned me to "performance mod" a ZX-9, I > must say that my high esteem for the ZX's is declining a bit. As Kannan > points out, there is a lot of wiring. Upon finally looking at this from an > "upgrading" viewpoint, I find that Nak made some bizarre choices on where to > put things, resulting in excessively long & numerous wire paths for the > signal. The worst example is the output line amp & the tape-source switch. > The line amp, which is where everything goes before outputting, is at the > "far" end of the Dolby board(as seen when the board is unscrewed & hinged > down). The monitor switch is as far as it can possibly be from this point, > requiring the longest wire paths for the source monitor & Pb output lines + > the return lines from the switch. Fully a foot of cheesy wire for each > line. Then another foot of wire to get from line amp to volume control to > output jacks. Plus, the separate Dolby board in itself requires numerous > long wire paths for the pb & rec signals to go back & forth from the main > board. All added up, I am very surprised the deck can sound good at all, > let alone sound as good as Dragon. I'm damn near disgusted with Nak's > engineers. I feel I must convert the monitor switch to merely a relay > control switch, mounting a couple of nice sealed relays at the line amp > location. This is a huge wire reduction, but it still leaves a whole lot of > wire to replace with good wire. On the "bright side", at least I can expect > a rather monumental improvement in sonics, even before doing the component > upgrades in the amp circuits. What a pain in the neck, though! Literally > NO other Nak has such absurd wiring. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:13 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > Stephen, what is in your opinion top end on a nice ZX-7? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:13 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > I agree with Stan. The CR-4 is an excellent deck, but not quite in > CR-7/5 > > > territory. It is essentially a BX-300 with a nice little calibration > > > system. I think top end on a nice CR-4 is more properly in the $400 > > > range. > > > The guy won't get any bids, unless he gets really, really lucky. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting > > > it > > > is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? > > > Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good > > > bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > > > > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Mar 6 18:14:29 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:14:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All Dragons are auto-reverse ONLY for playback. Alex > Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? > If it is > used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing > aspect on Side 2 of the tape? > > Thanx, > Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 18:18:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:18:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: <002101c0a61f$7317a3e0$433442cf@sank1> <002c01c0a592$1af8dfe0$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00ee01c0a661$7fe31180$433442cf@sank1> The RX505 merely has a nicer motor than the 482, but not by a great margin. Same motor as the ZX-7. Between the 660ZX & 581, I would choose the 581, due to bias calibration ability(although the 660ZX certainly has more sex appeal). Both have "just enough" pb monitor electronics to run the meters, so calibration procedure is identical to 680 & 582 & just as accurate. Really, the only disadvantage of the monitor-less 3-heads is the monitor-less-ness. As for the cam misadjusment causing drive transistor overheating, the lack of intermittent fault afterwards suggests that you have some carbon build up on the control motor commutator, which the overdrive temporarily burned through. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > > How different is 505 et al real-nak transport with 482 ? I could not see > the difference between 482 and 582 transport (which I though is the belt > version of real-nak trans) on the manuals ? BTW my transistor on ff rw area > 'smoked' when I misaligned the cam wheel. Scary ! Interestingly it worked > better thereafter (no intermittent fault anymore). :-) > > Off topic : > I happen to spot (in this nak-rare-land) a 581, in better shape than 660zx > but with broken supply tape guide. Luck has it that I mostly come across > monitor-less 3 head deck. Which one would you kind nakfellows choose ? I > always wanted a 680 or ZX9/7 (lucky Nick !) and 582 would be a good fill-in. > I can't imagine setting up bias etc on monitor-less deck, > record-rewind-play-trim cycle. > > Or am I wrong ? I can see the point of auto-adjust rec head in no-monitor > 660, but 400hz and 15k test tone on 581 ?? What good would that be without > monitor ? I'd assume there's a "mini-monitor" only enough to calibrate the > setup meter. > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > > > > I concur with Kannan. The Dragon is only the best choice if you trade > tapes > > a lot, or otherwise have a lot of tapes to play that were recorded on > other > > machines. The CR-7, in my opinion, is the best deck for overall > > recording/playback, if after serial #A130-09500(or has been to me). > > However, mechanically, the RX-505 will out-live the CR-7(exceptional > > maintenance care notwithstanding), as it has a belt drive version of the > > Dragon's real Nak transport(and is, in fact, identical entirely to that of > > the 1000/700ZXL & etc.). It is an excellent "basic" deck, but the lack of > > any auto or manual calibration system makes it a less good choice for the > > serious recordist. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 18:07:20 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:07:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <004301c0a596$c1a0eb40$b8289bca@smarzuki> My itty bitty part: Dragon auto reverse is only for playback. I agree that with your collection of tape made on other decks, Dragon is the best way to go. Especially if you're using noise reductions ! I used dbx back then on technics and some misalignment on my current deck sounds horrible. I believe dbx should fare even better for dragons - as the auto azimuth works based on 5k freq content (and above ?). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > Thanx for the excellent info on the decks, Kannan and Stephen! > > Whatever my choice finally is, it will be making it's way down to you for a > tune-up, Stephen, if it already has not visited you recently. > > I do have a large cassette collection made up over the last 20 years, made > mostly on Maxell XL-IIS, on a variety of decks I own(ed) including a Aiwa > ADF-810 3 Head and 3 lower end Nakamichi's (BX-100, DR-2 and DR-3). So > perhaps the Dragon is the way to go. I never share my tapes with others, > not even for the car since I have been using a dbx 224 (Type II NR) for NR > for years. I am now using a dbx 150 (Type I) with professional noise > reduction, yielding very good results. > > 2 Questions: > > I know that Nakamichi's Dolby C is exceptional, however has anyone used dbx > professional with a Dragon or CR-7A? > > Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? If it is > used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing > aspect on Side 2 of the tape? > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 18:23:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:23:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <00f601c0a662$1cd4fc60$433442cf@sank1> Any Nak should work very well with a DBX unit. Personally, I have become preferrential to no noise reduction, though. The Dragon does seem to be your best choice, and one will be very reliable once it has been to me(I am trying to allay the bad reliability reputation that the Dragon has, since it seems to me to be a matter of simply knowing it's particular issues & doesn't deserve the bad rep). Yes, the auto-reverse is playback only. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > Thanx for the excellent info on the decks, Kannan and Stephen! > > Whatever my choice finally is, it will be making it's way down to you for a > tune-up, Stephen, if it already has not visited you recently. > > I do have a large cassette collection made up over the last 20 years, made > mostly on Maxell XL-IIS, on a variety of decks I own(ed) including a Aiwa > ADF-810 3 Head and 3 lower end Nakamichi's (BX-100, DR-2 and DR-3). So > perhaps the Dragon is the way to go. I never share my tapes with others, > not even for the car since I have been using a dbx 224 (Type II NR) for NR > for years. I am now using a dbx 150 (Type I) with professional noise > reduction, yielding very good results. > > 2 Questions: > > I know that Nakamichi's Dolby C is exceptional, however has anyone used dbx > professional with a Dragon or CR-7A? > > Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? If it is > used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing > aspect on Side 2 of the tape? > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Mar 6 18:30:25 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:30:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <3AA51EB1.5E95B4AF@snip.net> All Dragons asre auto-reverse but only for playback. Roland Alford wrote: > Thanx for the excellent info on the decks, Kannan and Stephen! > > Whatever my choice finally is, it will be making it's way down to you for a > tune-up, Stephen, if it already has not visited you recently. > > I do have a large cassette collection made up over the last 20 years, made > mostly on Maxell XL-IIS, on a variety of decks I own(ed) including a Aiwa > ADF-810 3 Head and 3 lower end Nakamichi's (BX-100, DR-2 and DR-3). So > perhaps the Dragon is the way to go. I never share my tapes with others, > not even for the car since I have been using a dbx 224 (Type II NR) for NR > for years. I am now using a dbx 150 (Type I) with professional noise > reduction, yielding very good results. > > 2 Questions: > > I know that Nakamichi's Dolby C is exceptional, however has anyone used dbx > professional with a Dragon or CR-7A? > > Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? If it is > used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing > aspect on Side 2 of the tape? > > Thanx, > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Mar 6 18:31:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:31:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00c501c0a663$4490fe60$06021fac@brianm> Salim, My guess with your Nak incompatibility issue is that the Nak you used or are using is out of alignment on recording. I do not have suggestions for another deck. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > Hi Nakfellows, > > I still suffer from this phenomena that a tape recorded on Nak (CR) sounds > not right when played on other deck, compared to say, tape recorded on sony > or teac better decks. On the other hand, if I played sony recorded tape on > Nak then all glory is back (almost the same with Nak-made played on same Nak > deck), the reverse is still not true to my ears. > > I know that you've agreed that emphasis level (3180 usec?) has nothing to do > with it and that Nak-non nak compatibility is a myth. Probably a matter of > diiferent 0 db standard, or a much better playback amp on Naks, I don't > know. > > Anyway, the question is - what other specific deck would do a good quality > recordings and at the same time achieve (almost) similar playback quality as > your beloved Nak ? The tricky part is that price is still a concern, > otherwise I'd shoot for teac Z or revox. I tried Denon 710 (no good), akai > gx7 (uf), teac 888/850 (quite ok) and sony 333es (getting close). Never > tried nad, yamaha, pioneer. > > May I know the result or your years of experience ? New model ideas is also > welcome (that tck3es should be good) also curious regarding mixed reviews of > new technics z head. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Mar 6 18:35:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:35:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <00d301c0a663$e72e05a0$06021fac@brianm> Roland, The only Naks that have auto reverse are, the Dragon and 505 /303/202. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > Thanx for the excellent info on the decks, Kannan and Stephen! > > Whatever my choice finally is, it will be making it's way down to you for a > tune-up, Stephen, if it already has not visited you recently. > > I do have a large cassette collection made up over the last 20 years, made > mostly on Maxell XL-IIS, on a variety of decks I own(ed) including a Aiwa > ADF-810 3 Head and 3 lower end Nakamichi's (BX-100, DR-2 and DR-3). So > perhaps the Dragon is the way to go. I never share my tapes with others, > not even for the car since I have been using a dbx 224 (Type II NR) for NR > for years. I am now using a dbx 150 (Type I) with professional noise > reduction, yielding very good results. > > 2 Questions: > > I know that Nakamichi's Dolby C is exceptional, however has anyone used dbx > professional with a Dragon or CR-7A? > > Also are all Dragons auto-reverse, and is that only for playback? If it is > used for recording also, what head configuration is used for the erasing > aspect on Side 2 of the tape? > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 18:40:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:40:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00fe01c0a664$9406fc00$433442cf@sank1> The only decks I have liked other than Naks, Revox & Tandberg are: Yamaha K2000, K1020, KX1200, KX-W900(double), K720, KX-R700. Aiwa AD-F660/770/990, AD-3800, AD-6900(too old to maintain now, unless exceptional). Eumig FL-1000(not sure about the prefix. neat deck). Kyocera's 3-head of their last years(can't recall models at the moment). Others escape me at the moment. I can whole-heartedly NOT recommend any deck from Sony, Denon, Pioneer(most), Teac/Tascam, Akai, Onkyo(with 2 or 3 exceptions) & just about everybody else I have not mentioned. The Sony's, especially recently, are total garbage. Inexcusably, horribly bad. Technics are generally better, but not great by any means. Of course, I'm an opionated bastard.:) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > Hi Nakfellows, > > I still suffer from this phenomena that a tape recorded on Nak (CR) sounds > not right when played on other deck, compared to say, tape recorded on sony > or teac better decks. On the other hand, if I played sony recorded tape on > Nak then all glory is back (almost the same with Nak-made played on same Nak > deck), the reverse is still not true to my ears. > > I know that you've agreed that emphasis level (3180 usec?) has nothing to do > with it and that Nak-non nak compatibility is a myth. Probably a matter of > diiferent 0 db standard, or a much better playback amp on Naks, I don't > know. > > Anyway, the question is - what other specific deck would do a good quality > recordings and at the same time achieve (almost) similar playback quality as > your beloved Nak ? The tricky part is that price is still a concern, > otherwise I'd shoot for teac Z or revox. I tried Denon 710 (no good), akai > gx7 (uf), teac 888/850 (quite ok) and sony 333es (getting close). Never > tried nad, yamaha, pioneer. > > May I know the result or your years of experience ? New model ideas is also > welcome (that tck3es should be good) also curious regarding mixed reviews of > new technics z head. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 18:46:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:46:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FB9@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <00c401c0a657$46f68320$433442cf@sank1> <00a601c0a65e$214ffa00$06021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <010401c0a665$5a8be840$433442cf@sank1> My most succinct comment is this: I wish I could put a ZX-9 transport into a CR-7. This would be one hell of a deck. I must say that I think the ZX-9 may surpass the CR-7 significantly with only the wire path simplifications I am contemplating. Alas, Kannan has bought my own CR-7, so I may not have a chance to compare directly, unless I happen to have another in for service when I finish. The obvious caveat is the separate Dolby board, through which all signals must pass, NR or not, will remain a hindrance to the ZX-9's potential. So, a similarly component/wire upgraded CR-7 will, in my estimation, yet surpass the upgraded ZX-9. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 > Interesting comments Stephen. I have to wonder then how awesome the deck is > if the wiring it cleaned up? I say this as I have owned the ZX-9 and CR-7A > at the same time and when comparing the two I found it was splitting hairs > to tell the differences. I know in discussions in the past you felt the > CR-7 had a slight playback advantage, this may be true. I felt when I was > comparing them that I liked the recording done on the ZX-9 but playback may > have had that slight advantage on the CR-7. When I took the tape recorded > on the ZX-9 and played it on the CR-7 it *possibly* sounded better, again, > it was close. I didn't see where playback was improved at all when I took > the cassette recorded on the CR-7 and played it back on the ZX-9. Any > thoughts/comments? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > Now that someone has finally comissioned me to "performance mod" a ZX-9, I > > must say that my high esteem for the ZX's is declining a bit. As Kannan > > points out, there is a lot of wiring. Upon finally looking at this from > an > > "upgrading" viewpoint, I find that Nak made some bizarre choices on where > to > > put things, resulting in excessively long & numerous wire paths for the > > signal. The worst example is the output line amp & the tape-source > switch. > > The line amp, which is where everything goes before outputting, is at the > > "far" end of the Dolby board(as seen when the board is unscrewed & hinged > > down). The monitor switch is as far as it can possibly be from this > point, > > requiring the longest wire paths for the source monitor & Pb output lines > + > > the return lines from the switch. Fully a foot of cheesy wire for each > > line. Then another foot of wire to get from line amp to volume control to > > output jacks. Plus, the separate Dolby board in itself requires numerous > > long wire paths for the pb & rec signals to go back & forth from the main > > board. All added up, I am very surprised the deck can sound good at all, > > let alone sound as good as Dragon. I'm damn near disgusted with Nak's > > engineers. I feel I must convert the monitor switch to merely a relay > > control switch, mounting a couple of nice sealed relays at the line amp > > location. This is a huge wire reduction, but it still leaves a whole lot > of > > wire to replace with good wire. On the "bright side", at least I can > expect > > a rather monumental improvement in sonics, even before doing the component > > upgrades in the amp circuits. What a pain in the neck, though! Literally > > NO other Nak has such absurd wiring. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:13 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > > Stephen, what is in your opinion top end on a nice ZX-7? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:13 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > > > I agree with Stan. The CR-4 is an excellent deck, but not quite in > > CR-7/5 > > > > territory. It is essentially a BX-300 with a nice little calibration > > > > system. I think top end on a nice CR-4 is more properly in the $400 > > > > range. > > > > The guy won't get any bids, unless he gets really, really lucky. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one > excepting > > > > it > > > > is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? > > > > Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good > > > > bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > > > > > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Tue Mar 6 18:44:58 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:44:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> Hi Salim, did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? I have both and they sound not so bad. What´s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is different. Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Tue Mar 6 19:09:26 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:09:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? In-Reply-To: <004301c0a596$c1a0eb40$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim, Re: your comment on the Technics dbx, I know exactly what you are talking about with bad sound. I did try one once when I briefly (and painfully) owned a Technics 228X with dolby B and dbx. Seemed a good value for the money at the time, but a big sacrifice in quality. The dbx chip that they used was poor quality resulting in a lot of the "breathing" and "pumping" that gave dbx a bad name in the eyes of those who had never used good dbx systems. The dbx 150 I am using is a professional rack mount unit that uses integrated circuits, and not chips. This is the same system that many professional recording were made with in the 1980s and 1990s resulting in very good sound (and no hiss). dbx I or professional dbx as it is called, uses a three band system to expand and compress individual sections of the recording for (in my opinion) the ultimate analog recording. The consumer version using an outboard dbx II (like the dbx 224) is also good, but uses a single band for the whole process. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 19:23:01 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 01:23:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> Message-ID: <006e01c0a5a1$52520ac0$b8289bca@smarzuki> Hi Wolfgang, Exactly what I'm looking for ! Ed has one for sale (2060) but it is in silver, does any of yours has black faceplate ? Don't you think two are too many in your room ? :-) I never find a 2070 on ebay (2090 is too expensive). Let me know if you want to get rid of it ... Brian, I aligned the 'alien' deck to match my Nak to ensure nak-to-apple comparison. I'm interested to hear why Stephen doesn't like (quite popular) teac/tascam ... And I need to ditch my denon asap ! I believe those are lower quality sony oem deck. The teac 888x is quite neat 3 head auto reverse though, despite the whack-whack of the rotating head (sound is a bit bearable after op amp upgrade). Thank you all for the reply ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > Hi Salim, > > did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? > I have both and they sound not so bad. > > What´s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? > It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is different. > > Wolfgang > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Tue Mar 6 20:45:42 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:45:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OOps! Did I say the outboard dbx had integrated circuits?? ...I meant discrete boards ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 20:49:13 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:49:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? References: Message-ID: <000201c0a5ad$8935bee0$61299bca@smarzuki> Hi Roland, Yes it was one of those technics dbx deck. But it is mostly 'compatibility' i.e. azimuth issue that made me stop using even dolby C at this moment to make listening on different decks bearable (until I can get Nak path alignment tape perhaps). I also used consumer 224/228 dbx once but still the problem persists - old tapes from old deck need exact old azimuth setting (which was astray in the first place). I don't know if 3 band dbx pro can survive this azimuth problem, but I'd guess best result of any noise red / compressed tapes would benefit greatly from dragon's auto alignment. Unless you listen mostly to classical with little high freq content then I'd prefer a manual trim set-and-forget (as in CR7 ?), as I believe the dragon's 'looking' for h.f. before the auto alignment kicks in. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon? CR-7? RX-505? > Salim, > > Re: your comment on the Technics dbx, I know exactly what you are talking > about with bad sound. I did try one once when I briefly (and painfully) > owned a Technics 228X with dolby B and dbx. Seemed a good value for the > money at the time, but a big sacrifice in quality. The dbx chip that they > used was poor quality resulting in a lot of the "breathing" and "pumping" > that gave dbx a bad name in the eyes of those who had never used good dbx > systems. > > The dbx 150 I am using is a professional rack mount unit that uses > integrated circuits, and not chips. This is the same system that many > professional recording were made with in the 1980s and 1990s resulting in > very good sound (and no hiss). dbx I or professional dbx as it is called, > uses a three band system to expand and compress individual sections of the > recording for (in my opinion) the ultimate analog recording. The consumer > version using an outboard dbx II (like the dbx 224) is also good, but uses a > single band for the whole process. > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Mar 6 22:20:09 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:20:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay References: <20010306035917.742EB1DFD60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002a01c0a683$39beb520$138fe2c3@a9u3z8> Hi Kannan I've found one in the UK for a reasnable amount. Will let you know what I think once I've played with it for a while. I did some recordings on a CR3 in Belfast a few years ago and that was great. I'd expect the 4 to be even better as it has direct dive and a more sophisticated tape tuning system. Cheers, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay > I have not seen a CR4 on ebay for a long time. Now I see one excepting it is listed for a high start bid! Can anybody give their openion on CR4? Another curious info I need . Why 550 units seem to fetch pretty good bidding than CR3 /BX300 and even 480 on ebay! Is it really special? > Hope wufwufl have a CR4. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219730851 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 22:56:17 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi record equalization In-Reply-To: <00c501c0a663$4490fe60$06021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20010306215617.23967.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, The following is from a Service Information document from Nakamichi dated, 6/10/87. It explains the root cause of why tapes recorded on Nakamichi decks sound different on other decks and vice versa. I have to warn you. Nakamichi is a little harsh and almost makes it sound like everyone else is an idiot. ----------- To enable users to produce tape on the Nakamichi MR-1 which sound acceptable when played on cassette decks using playback heads of inferior quality, Nakamichi has made available two versions of the MR-1, called the MR-1 and the MR-1B. The "B" designation denotes a machine which has had its record and playback equalization altered to conform to the IEC March 1981 equalization, rather than the earlier IEC standard which Nakamichi has followed since the introduction of our first products into the United States market in the early 70's. These two models are not differentiated in any way on the front or back panels, both are identified as being MR-1's. MR-1B models are generally marked with a small white dot affixed to the bottom panel near the rear of the machine.... ... The following general observations can be made about certain characteristics of the MR-1B as compared to the MR-1. Playback response -- aprox. +4dB at 15kHz using Nakamichi playback response tape DA09002. Flat response using BASF IEC standard PBFR tape. Record characteristics -- Distortion approx. 0.1 to 0.5% higher than normal at 0dB, depending on tape type. Maximum record level (before 3% THD is reached) about 2dB lower then MR-1. ------------------------ The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. ----------------- The following is from Dolby Laboratories/San Francisco Nakamichi MR-1 IEC E.Q. Modifications Intro-- Due to the number of inquiries by licensees and clients of Dolby Laboratories requesting information modifying the record and playback equalization in the Nakamichi model MR-1 cassette deck to current IEC standards, the following information is provided as a guideling to assist in these modifications. They should not be considered absolute, as the modifications described may vary depending upon who's playback alignment standard (playback e.q. mod.) and which blank tape stock (record e.q. mod.) is chosen. ------------------------ I believe that Nakamichi continues to use earlier IEC standard where everyone else in the world uses the IEC March 1981 standard. If anyone is interested in an MR-1 with what Nakamichi calls non-standard equalization I am selling one on eBay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1219287640 This deck has been modified using the Dolby Labs modification not the Nakamichi one. The results are nearly identical however. Scott Johnson --- Brian Miller wrote: > Salim, > > My guess with your Nak incompatibility issue is that > the Nak you used or are > using is out of alignment on recording. > > I do not have suggestions for another deck. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only > begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have > everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:38 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > I still suffer from this phenomena that a tape > recorded on Nak (CR) sounds > > not right when played on other deck, compared to > say, tape recorded on > sony > > or teac better decks. On the other hand, if I > played sony recorded tape > on > > Nak then all glory is back (almost the same with > Nak-made played on same > Nak > > deck), the reverse is still not true to my ears. > > > > I know that you've agreed that emphasis level > (3180 usec?) has nothing to > do > > with it and that Nak-non nak compatibility is a > myth. Probably a matter > of > > diiferent 0 db standard, or a much better playback > amp on Naks, I don't > > know. > > > > Anyway, the question is - what other specific deck > would do a good quality > > recordings and at the same time achieve (almost) > similar playback quality > as > > your beloved Nak ? The tricky part is that price > is still a concern, > > otherwise I'd shoot for teac Z or revox. I tried > Denon 710 (no good), > akai > > gx7 (uf), teac 888/850 (quite ok) and sony 333es > (getting close). Never > > tried nad, yamaha, pioneer. > > > > May I know the result or your years of experience > ? New model ideas is > also > > welcome (that tck3es should be good) also curious > regarding mixed reviews > of > > new technics z head. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 23:52:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:52:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> Message-ID: <013201c0a690$177949a0$433442cf@sank1> These Onkyo models use the same or similar Sankyo transports as do the Nak BX/CR series, but ordinary heads. They are OK decks, but I think the Yamaha & Aiwa models I mentioned are considerably better, both in build quality & sound. Plus, Onkyo is one of the most horrible companies to try to buy parts from, even for an Onkyo authorised servicer. Worse even than the current Nak USA situation(poor, over-worked Patty!). The Kyocera decks and several Harman Kardon decks used the Sankyo transports as well. But the HK decks are terrible otherwise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > Hi Salim, > > did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? > I have both and they sound not so bad. > > What�s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? > It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is different. > > Wolfgang > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 6 23:54:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:54:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> <006e01c0a5a1$52520ac0$b8289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <013a01c0a690$5f7e7b80$433442cf@sank1> The Teac/Tascam units have inferior heads & electronics, generally, and all but the top models have mechanics as sleazy as Sony's. And, yes, many Denon decks, especially in the last few years, are OEM'd sleazy Sonys. I would say pass on the Onkyo, unless you can't find anything else decent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > Hi Wolfgang, > > Exactly what I'm looking for ! Ed has one for sale (2060) but it is in > silver, does any of yours has black faceplate ? Don't you think two are too > many in your room ? :-) > > I never find a 2070 on ebay (2090 is too expensive). Let me know if you > want to get rid of it ... > > Brian, I aligned the 'alien' deck to match my Nak to ensure nak-to-apple > comparison. I'm interested to hear why Stephen doesn't like (quite popular) > teac/tascam ... And I need to ditch my denon asap ! I believe those are > lower quality sony oem deck. The teac 888x is quite neat 3 head auto > reverse though, despite the whack-whack of the rotating head (sound is a bit > bearable after op amp upgrade). > > Thank you all for the reply ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? > > I have both and they sound not so bad. > > > > What�s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? > > It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is > different. > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 7 06:01:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:31:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi record equalization Message-ID: <20010307050100.98FAE1DFFB0@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 7 06:17:39 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:47:39 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay Message-ID: <20010307051739.084051DFEF1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Mar 7 06:25:39 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:25:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi record equalization References: <20010307050100.98FAE1DFFB0@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AA5C64F.223D9AC9@snet.net> Hi Kannan, Actually the Neal Ferrograph has come up a couple of times with the response being that the legend tends to be larger than life... In reality a very fine deck in its day, but definitely not up to even the late 70's three head Nakamichi's. I would however love to see a picture of one of these legendary machines! Ed > I feel Nakamichi had failed to influence IEC to adopt a better method rather than just increasing the pre emphasis - my openion is that; it is better to have less bandwidth and associated lower distortion and random noise ( Linsely Hood article is an excellent reference for this view point.) Linsely hood had talked about Neal Ferrograph cassette recorders - I am surprised nobody talked about this machine here in our group - which had delibrately aligned record bias - preemphasis to have 15 - 16 Khz band width to make the recorded signal cleaner. This probably because of 2 heads only/ ferric tapes and play/ record single head necessarily mean a compromise between recording which require higher gap while play requires less gap. > kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From nealw at decillion.net Wed Mar 7 08:54:37 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:54:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D27F@CPT-01> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Walker > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > problem?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Mar 7 11:12:08 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:12:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 on German eBay Message-ID: <200103071012.f27AC8f18870@mailgate4.cinetic.de> Found another jewel on German eBay: LX-5 http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219095646 Any interessts? Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Mar 7 11:12:05 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:12:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Devices on German eBay Message-ID: <200103071012.f27AC5f18718@mailgate4.cinetic.de> Following interessting devices appeared on German eBay PA-5EII: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219931867 PA-5II: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219931048 ST-7E: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219933287 CA 5EH (probably a typing error and meant CA-5EII?): http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219950894 Any comments, guys . . . Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 7 11:37:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Message-ID: <20010307103711.796381DFE1F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 12:11:28 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:11:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Message-ID: "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) George ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) All See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. Kent Merideth >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Walker > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > problem?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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From past postings by Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. Kent Merideth >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Walker > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > problem?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) < well, there are a few special cases. my 700ZXL was originally bought by a studio that also bought a lot of other gadgets just to try out. the guy put at most 100 hours of tape time onto the unit over the 10 years he owned it. to him, that meant that he never used it. the difference is, i dealt with someone i knew well as the dealer who bought and sold only the good stuff. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Mar 7 15:08:23 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:08:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) George ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) All See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Neal, If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. Kent Merideth >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Walker > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > problem?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > All > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 7 17:04:21 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:04:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay References: Message-ID: <00e201c0a720$4e2036e0$3c021fac@brianm> I e-mailed the person who has it listed, below is the response. Brian, Believe it or not we never used the deck. If you win the bid you will see that the heads are totally clean and have never been used. I had two other decks of the same brand that were a little smaller - used those quite often and just never got around to using this one. then interests change and the deck have been stored away for several years. Thank you for your interest. -beth- Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > All > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Mar 7 17:07:43 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:07:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D287@CPT-01> when you say unit do you mean the dolby c unit?? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 07 March 2001 17:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Kent is entirely correct, and I agree that it is the most likely cause, other than bad solder joints. If you can whack the unit with your hand & make the noise go away, than it is a soldering problem. If it has no effect, than look to the Dolby IC's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Neal, If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. Kent Merideth >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Walker > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > problem?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Probably, nothing that cannot be fixed if you throw enough money at it, but a fair amount of hassle, nonetheless. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > I e-mailed the person who has it listed, below is the response. > > Brian, > Believe it or not we never used the deck. If you win the bid you will see > that the heads are totally clean and have never been used. I had two other > decks of the same brand that were a little smaller - used those quite often > and just never got around to using this one. then interests change and the > deck have been stored away for several years. Thank you for your > interest. -beth- > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say > for > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > decks, > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > sophisticated > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > All > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 7 17:39:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:39:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D287@CPT-01> Message-ID: <01ec01c0a725$33d37ae0$433442cf@sank1> Yes, I meant whack the Dolby unit. Of course, there is some possiblility that it could be connection problems in the ZXL, so you could give that a whack a well, in case whacking the Dolby unit is unproductive/inconclusive. Also, you can pick up each side of the NR unit an inch & drop(one side at a time). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > when you say unit do you mean the dolby c unit?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 07 March 2001 17:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > Kent is entirely correct, and I agree that it is the most likely cause, > other than bad solder joints. If you can whack the unit with your hand & > make the noise go away, than it is a soldering problem. If it has no > effect, than look to the Dolby IC's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Merideth" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > Neal, > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > Kent Merideth > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neal Walker > > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > > problem?? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 18:08:55 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:08:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> <013201c0a690$177949a0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002101c0a660$22bf2f80$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Thank you for your comments. One other thing, where would you rate a 2 head Tandberg 3034 in Nak 2-head lines ? 580 / BX150 ? Would it be worth getting rather than the 581 ? (good looking one). Congratulations on winning the 3014. Is that for keep or just for 'fun' of restoring it ? veni vidi vici. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > These Onkyo models use the same or similar Sankyo transports as do the Nak > BX/CR series, but ordinary heads. They are OK decks, but I think the Yamaha > & Aiwa models I mentioned are considerably better, both in build quality & > sound. Plus, Onkyo is one of the most horrible companies to try to buy > parts from, even for an Onkyo authorised servicer. Worse even than the > current Nak USA situation(poor, over-worked Patty!). The Kyocera decks and > several Harman Kardon decks used the Sankyo transports as well. But the HK > decks are terrible otherwise. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? > > I have both and they sound not so bad. > > > > What´s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? > > It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is > different. > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Mar 7 19:29:45 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:29:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: <01d201c0a71e$9e54f800$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be the most expensive proposition of all ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > All > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From DJBrown96 at aol.com Wed Mar 7 19:31:22 2001 From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:31:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Message-ID: Believe it or not, there are SOME great deals out there. I am going to be placing a Tandberg 10x with less than 100 hrs use on it, up for auction on e-bay. I purchased this unit new in 1977, and used it as a back-up for my Revox. So, someone is going to end up with what is essentially a "new" Tandberg 10x. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 7 21:52:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:52:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: <97.122a1a37.27d7f982@aol.com> You will find women to be your most expensive endeavor my friend. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 7 22:24:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:24:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... Message-ID: <41.85ca3ca.27d800f9@aol.com> Hi All! Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to know what is so "special" about them. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Wed Mar 7 23:02:57 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:02:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my "collection" is limited to one right now!) I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical instruments. Frank "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be the most expensive proposition of all ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > All > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 7 23:22:31 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:22:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: Message-ID: <000701c0a755$1bcdba20$17021fac@brianm> I can be included in those that am intrigued with watches. I always seem to need just one more! But my expense level does not come close to the $4000 range! My favorite, that I own, is a Revue Thommen Air Speed. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankMcCloud" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my > "collection" is limited to one right now!) > > I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that > interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical > instruments. > > Frank > > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stan Targowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention > that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be > the most expensive proposition of all ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a > whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say > for > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > decks, > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > sophisticated > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > All > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 7 23:29:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 17:29:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <00e201c0a720$4e2036e0$3c021fac@brianm> <3AA65FE5.E0ECBFFA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3AA6B640.B439952C@concentric.net> The recent talk about the 1000ZXL has brought up a question I've been meaning to ask the knowledgeable folk here for some time now. Here it is... I have a CR-7a that I am very happy with. It has just been updated, serviced, calibrated and fully adjusted. It sounds excellent -- I believe it's as good as a CR-7 has a right to be :-). But, I wonder whether I can replace it with something else, that will be even better. (Of course, whatever it is, it's gonna be a Nakamichi. I have owned a Nak for the past 25 years and my A/V system just won't feel right without one.) Two models come to mind: the Dragon and the 1000ZXL. As far as the Dragon goes, I have scratched it off the list. I have it on the best authority (someone that used both the Dragon and the CR-7 side by side) that comparing PB of both machines is like splitting hairs and, while the Dragon may provide better recording, the difference isn't worth the hassle of taking the CR-7 off its shelf. (BTW, I can live without the Dragon's tape reversal.) So, the question I have for all Nakophiles that have used either or both the 1000ZXL and the CR-7: do you feel the alleged improvement of the 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7 justifies the hassle and expense of upgrading from the latter to the former? I will appreciate any insights you guys may wish to offer. Regards, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 7 23:31:53 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:31:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... References: <41.85ca3ca.27d800f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c0a756$6a5bc8c0$17021fac@brianm> I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The were made by TDK. Feel free to correct me anyone. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > Hi All! > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to know > what is so "special" about them. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Wed Mar 7 23:44:12 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:44:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: <000701c0a755$1bcdba20$17021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hi Brian. I own that same watch - in titanium and it has an altimeter function. I purchased it when I stared my pilot lessons. Frank "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... I can be included in those that am intrigued with watches. I always seem to need just one more! But my expense level does not come close to the $4000 range! My favorite, that I own, is a Revue Thommen Air Speed. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankMcCloud" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my > "collection" is limited to one right now!) > > I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that > interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical > instruments. > > Frank > > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stan Targowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention > that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be > the most expensive proposition of all ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a > whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say > for > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > decks, > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > sophisticated > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > All > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ric_dunn at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 00:00:14 2001 From: ric_dunn at yahoo.com (Rick Dunn) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:00:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... In-Reply-To: <001b01c0a756$6a5bc8c0$17021fac@brianm> Message-ID: You're right about blank Nakamichi cassettes being TDK, but this is probably something else. Starting in 1983, Nakamichi produced reference cassettes in a series called the "Sound of Nakamichi Reference Cassette". They were individually recorded in their own housings on TDK MA from digital and analog masters and featured artists like Joe Williams, Dave Grusin, James Newton Howard, The Police, etc. The cassettes were intended to showcase the capabilities of Nakamichi's decks. I still have the brochure that came with my BX-125 when I bought it new in 1987 and it shows these tapes, as well as the rest of Nakamichi's line. I should scan it for Wouter's site. Ric -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The were made by TDK. Feel free to correct me anyone. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > Hi All! > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to know > what is so "special" about them. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From frankmccloud at Home.com Thu Mar 8 00:41:13 2001 From: frankmccloud at Home.com (FrankMcCloud) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:41:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK owners manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recently needed an owners manual for a ZX-7 that I just bought. I could not find it anywhere (it was before I joined this group), so I contacted the Nak USA web site and inquired. They told me they would send me a copy free of charge and it just arrived (it took about a week). It was a photocopy, but I think that was very nice of them. I don't know if they do this on a regular basis, but if anyone needs one it is worth a try. After I received it a person who knew I had been searching emailed and offered to copy his for me for $25! I politely declined. When I was young and could not afford Nakamichi products I would often take the brochures home to peruse and dream. I still have a number of them. I will dig them up and if any member of this group needs a copy I will supply one at no charge. I could also scan them and send to Wouter for his site. Regards, Frank "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 8 00:46:49 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:46:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is also my understanding of reference recorded tapes. I will add that these TDK MA tapes were recorded on "specialy tuned" Nakamichi ZX-9 tape decks in real time. These decks at some point of time, relatively recently, were being sold out by some outfit in New Jersey or something like that. Blanks were TDK AD (EX), SA (SX), and MA (ZX). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rick Dunn Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... You're right about blank Nakamichi cassettes being TDK, but this is probably something else. Starting in 1983, Nakamichi produced reference cassettes in a series called the "Sound of Nakamichi Reference Cassette". They were individually recorded in their own housings on TDK MA from digital and analog masters and featured artists like Joe Williams, Dave Grusin, James Newton Howard, The Police, etc. The cassettes were intended to showcase the capabilities of Nakamichi's decks. I still have the brochure that came with my BX-125 when I bought it new in 1987 and it shows these tapes, as well as the rest of Nakamichi's line. I should scan it for Wouter's site. Ric -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 17:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The were made by TDK. Feel free to correct me anyone. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > Hi All! > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to know > what is so "special" about them. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 8 00:57:30 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:57:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Framk - I think you have a point. There is something about love for fine mechanical instruments. This is why I collect automatics, and yes, these are only Swiss (Breitling, Zenith ElPrimero, Omega, etc,) plus a couple of German (Glashutte and Tutima). Just like calibrating a fine deck to make that perfect recording, I like listenning to the ticking of my Zenith running at 36,000 bph (10 ticks per second). As an aside, I hope you didn't mean women being fine mechanical instruments ... These are the most EXPENSIVE and COMPLEX 'SYSTEMS', rather than FINE and INSTRUMENTS. Interestingly, I have been subscribing to this list for quite some time, and haven't seen a single entry by the COMPLEX sex. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FrankMcCloud Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 4:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my "collection" is limited to one right now!) I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical instruments. Frank "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be the most expensive proposition of all ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say for > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape decks, > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > All > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 01:12:34 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:12:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... References: Message-ID: <005c01c0a764$7acd0a80$17021fac@brianm> Stan, The ZX-9's Nak used were overhauled and sold through Jeffrey Galin at ES Labs. I believe he still has a few. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > That is also my understanding of reference recorded tapes. I will add that > these TDK MA tapes were recorded on "specialy tuned" Nakamichi ZX-9 tape > decks in real time. These decks at some point of time, relatively recently, > were being sold out by some outfit in New Jersey or something like that. > > Blanks were TDK AD (EX), SA (SX), and MA (ZX). > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Rick Dunn > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > You're right about blank Nakamichi cassettes being TDK, but this is probably > something else. > > Starting in 1983, Nakamichi produced reference cassettes in a series called > the "Sound of Nakamichi Reference Cassette". They were individually > recorded in their own housings on TDK MA from digital and analog masters and > featured artists like Joe Williams, Dave Grusin, James Newton Howard, The > Police, etc. The cassettes were intended to showcase the capabilities of > Nakamichi's decks. > > I still have the brochure that came with my BX-125 when I bought it new in > 1987 and it shows these tapes, as well as the rest of Nakamichi's line. I > should scan it for Wouter's site. > > Ric > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 17:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The > were made by TDK. > > Feel free to correct me anyone. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > > Hi All! > > > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to > know > > what is so "special" about them. Thanks! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 01:14:33 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:14:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... References: Message-ID: <006001c0a764$c20130c0$17021fac@brianm> Here is a link I know of telling about the process. http://www.halcyon.com/robinja/mythos/JohnOswald.html Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > That is also my understanding of reference recorded tapes. I will add that > these TDK MA tapes were recorded on "specialy tuned" Nakamichi ZX-9 tape > decks in real time. These decks at some point of time, relatively recently, > were being sold out by some outfit in New Jersey or something like that. > > Blanks were TDK AD (EX), SA (SX), and MA (ZX). > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Rick Dunn > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > You're right about blank Nakamichi cassettes being TDK, but this is probably > something else. > > Starting in 1983, Nakamichi produced reference cassettes in a series called > the "Sound of Nakamichi Reference Cassette". They were individually > recorded in their own housings on TDK MA from digital and analog masters and > featured artists like Joe Williams, Dave Grusin, James Newton Howard, The > Police, etc. The cassettes were intended to showcase the capabilities of > Nakamichi's decks. > > I still have the brochure that came with my BX-125 when I bought it new in > 1987 and it shows these tapes, as well as the rest of Nakamichi's line. I > should scan it for Wouter's site. > > Ric > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 17:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The > were made by TDK. > > Feel free to correct me anyone. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > > Hi All! > > > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to > know > > what is so "special" about them. Thanks! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Mar 8 01:34:58 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:34:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... In-Reply-To: <001b01c0a756$6a5bc8c0$17021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brand New Reference tape on E-bay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220234629 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:18:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:18:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: You're right, we are all collectors and admirer's of fine audio equipment, fine cars, fine clothes, fine jewelry and fine women. (smile). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:29:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:29:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: <10.9c08b9c.27d83a65@aol.com> A very interesting question - and I will leave it up to those more knowledgeable than I to fully answer. Here's my take on your question - The CR-7 represents the pinnacle of recording technologies for Nakamichi during their cassette deck recording heydays. When you ask those in the know what are the best recording NAKs, the CR-7, 1000ZXL and ZX-9 are always listed as being the best. The CR-7 incorporates many of the features first introduced in the 1000ZXL but is automatic rather than manual. So, it may depend on how you like to create your recordings rather than which deck is best. Again, I'll let Stephen or Jeff run through the details regarding specs. Re: you comments about the Dragon. I have wanted a Dragon and CR-7 for some time now. From what I've been able to grasp from this group's expertise, the Dragon is a superb PB deck. The decks mentioned above outperform the Dragon in the recording category, but it is one of the best playback decks available. And, outside of the most highly trained and sophisticated "ear," we are splitting hairs as any of these decks will provide you with the most enjoyable cassette experience available. In fact, you're the first person I've encountered that's said the recording of the Dragon was better than the CR-7. I hope this helps! -Sam PS Please let me know if you decide to sell your CR-7. Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:29:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:29:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... Message-ID: <76.8612fbc.27d83a76@aol.com> Thanks Brian! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:31:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:31:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... Message-ID: Thank you! Given the fact that these cassettes were recorded using Nakamichi machines, is it safe to assume that their sound was superior to anything you could purchase over the counter? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:33:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:33:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... Message-ID: Thanks Stan. This raise an interesting question: Since Nakamichi used the ZX-9 to create these reference recordings, doesn't that imply that the ZX-9 is their best recording deck? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:43:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:43:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 Message-ID: <9f.122e429b.27d83dd3@aol.com> Hi! Can anyone answer this question for me? Does the CR-5 have the same automatic tape calibration features that the CR-7 is famous for? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 02:45:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:45:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Is this true? Message-ID: <88.354355f.27d83e50@aol.com> Hi, Any validity to the claims that this deck is superior the the best NAKs? -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219768343 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 03:02:49 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:02:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <10.9c08b9c.27d83a65@aol.com> Message-ID: <039d01c0a773$e3173340$17021fac@brianm> I concur with Sam that others that have spent more or at least some time with all these decks can give the best insight. But hey, like Sam, I will throw in my .02 cent. I have not used the 1000 ZXL or Dragon at all, I have owned the 680, ZX-9 and CR-7.. As Sam said, I don't agree that the Dragon is a better recording deck than the others nor do I think it's superior in PB as far as sound quality. Now if you are using tapes recorded from other decks, then the Dragon may excel, but if you are playing tapes that you record I believe the others will outperform the Dragonin PB also. I feel the ZX-9 has an advantage in recording over the CR-7. Sam had questioned why Nak used the ZX-9's, well I wasn't there when they decided, but it's clear that's what they choose. Will the 1000ZXL perform better in recording? I don't know, maybe they had good reason for not using it, such as availability, compatibility, ease of use, etc... I derived at these decisions from talking with people. Jeffrey has been a big help! Anyway, right or wrong it's my .02 cents. All these decks are great decks and excel in one area over the others. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > A very interesting question - and I will leave it up to those more > knowledgeable than I to fully answer. Here's my take on your question - The > CR-7 represents the pinnacle of recording technologies for Nakamichi during > their cassette deck recording heydays. When you ask those in the know what > are the best recording NAKs, the CR-7, 1000ZXL and ZX-9 are always listed as > being the best. The CR-7 incorporates many of the features first introduced > in the 1000ZXL but is automatic rather than manual. So, it may depend on how > you like to create your recordings rather than which deck is best. Again, > I'll let Stephen or Jeff run through the details regarding specs. > > Re: you comments about the Dragon. I have wanted a Dragon and CR-7 for some > time now. From what I've been able to grasp from this group's expertise, the > Dragon is a superb PB deck. The decks mentioned above outperform the Dragon > in the recording category, but it is one of the best playback decks > available. And, outside of the most highly trained and sophisticated "ear," > we are splitting hairs as any of these decks will provide you with the most > enjoyable cassette experience available. In fact, you're the first person > I've encountered that's said the recording of the Dragon was better than the > CR-7. I hope this helps! > > -Sam > > PS > > Please let me know if you decide to sell your CR-7. Thanks! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 03:17:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:17:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is this true? References: <88.354355f.27d83e50@aol.com> Message-ID: <023201c0a775$f1834ca0$433442cf@sank1> This guy was certainly comparing this TCD440 to an UN-corrected CR-7A. There is absolutely no way this would be true with a corrected one. Also, the 440 mechanism, essentially the same as the mid-'70's TCD310, is a very, very finicky. More so even than the 3014, which is pretty darn finicky itself. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Is this true? > Hi, > > Any validity to the claims that this deck is superior the the best NAKs? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219768343 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 03:24:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:24:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <00e201c0a720$4e2036e0$3c021fac@brianm> <3AA65FE5.E0ECBFFA@concentric.net> <3AA6B640.B439952C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <023a01c0a776$e74f7e60$433442cf@sank1> Theoretically, the 1000ZXL has a more accurate bias & eq calibration system than the CR-7A, but I don't think the difference is very significant. I have never had a chance to A/B them, but my leaning has always been toward the CR-7. One technical point in favor of the CR-7: The ZXL is fully belt drive & therefore has higher wow/flutter & less long term speed stability. Also, the CR-7 has a more direct signal path & I have always felt it was more transparent. But, again, this is not based on actual A/B listening. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > The recent talk about the 1000ZXL has brought up a > question I've been meaning to ask the knowledgeable > folk here for some time now. Here it is... > > I have a CR-7a that I am very happy with. It has just > been updated, serviced, calibrated and fully adjusted. > It sounds excellent -- I believe it's as good as a > CR-7 has a right to be :-). > > But, I wonder whether I can replace it with something > else, that will be even better. (Of course, whatever > it is, it's gonna be a Nakamichi. I have owned a Nak > for the past 25 years and my A/V system just won't > feel right without one.) Two models come to mind: the > Dragon and the 1000ZXL. > > As far as the Dragon goes, I have scratched it off the > list. I have it on the best authority (someone that > used both the Dragon and the CR-7 side by side) that > comparing PB of both machines is like splitting hairs > and, while the Dragon may provide better recording, > the difference isn't worth the hassle of taking the > CR-7 off its shelf. (BTW, I can live without the > Dragon's tape reversal.) > > So, the question I have for all Nakophiles that have > used either or both the 1000ZXL and the CR-7: do you > feel the alleged improvement of the 1000ZXL vs. the > CR-7 justifies the hassle and expense of upgrading > from the latter to the former? > > I will appreciate any insights you guys may wish to > offer. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 03:25:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:25:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 References: <9f.122e429b.27d83dd3@aol.com> Message-ID: <024001c0a777$0ad434c0$433442cf@sank1> The CR-5 is a totally basic deck. No auto-cal, no manual azimuth control. Just a great looking deck with great meters. This is why it was a hard sell, and why the CR-4 replaced it in 1988. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 > Hi! > > Can anyone answer this question for me? Does the CR-5 have the same > automatic tape calibration features that the CR-7 is famous for? Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 03:28:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:28:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? References: <003101c0a592$b27cb760$b8289bca@smarzuki> <3AA5221A.5B6CC1BA@chello.at> <013201c0a690$177949a0$433442cf@sank1> <002101c0a660$22bf2f80$54289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <024801c0a777$76d521c0$433442cf@sank1> Actually, the Tandberg 3014 I just bought is a replacement for one that was stolen from my shop in November. I feel darn lucky to have nailed it so cheap. The 3034 is, I think, quite competitive than most 2-head Naks, but the 581 is clearly the better choice. Don't forget that the 581 has the crytalloy heads! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you for your comments. One other thing, where would you rate a 2 head > Tandberg 3034 in Nak 2-head lines ? 580 / BX150 ? Would it be worth > getting rather than the 581 ? (good looking one). > > Congratulations on winning the 3014. Is that for keep or just for 'fun' of > restoring it ? veni vidi vici. > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > > > These Onkyo models use the same or similar Sankyo transports as do the Nak > > BX/CR series, but ordinary heads. They are OK decks, but I think the > Yamaha > > & Aiwa models I mentioned are considerably better, both in build quality & > > sound. Plus, Onkyo is one of the most horrible companies to try to buy > > parts from, even for an Onkyo authorised servicer. Worse even than the > > current Nak USA situation(poor, over-worked Patty!). The Kyocera decks > and > > several Harman Kardon decks used the Sankyo transports as well. But the > HK > > decks are terrible otherwise. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:44 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Other record deck in Nak class ? > > > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > did you ever try a Onkyo TA-2090 or TA-2070? > > > I have both and they sound not so bad. > > > > > > What�s your opinion on this both decks, Stephen? > > > It seems that the drive chassis is a Nakamichi? The electronic is > > different. > > > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 8 04:28:31 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:28:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... References: <41.85ca3ca.27d800f9@aol.com> <001b01c0a756$6a5bc8c0$17021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3AA6FC5D.F5AA5BB0@snet.net> This was actually regarding the pre recorded cassettes made by Nakamichi which were a limited high end audiophile cassette that was duplicated from original master recordings in real time using Nakamichi ZX-9 decks at Nak's own facility. Incidentally, Jeff Galin came into possession of all of these decks and offers them in fully overhauled condition for $1000 each if memory serves me right. I never heard one of these recordings and don't even know if the material was anything artistically viable, but it is alleged that they were as good as cassette will ever get. Ed Brian Miller wrote: > I believe the only thing "special" about them is the name Nakamichi. The > were made by TDK. > > Feel free to correct me anyone. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Basic question... > > > Hi All! > > > > Could someone please tell me what were Nakamichi reference recorded > > cassettes? From time to time I've seen them on eBay and would like to > know > > what is so "special" about them. 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Name: not available URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 8 06:38:08 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:38:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 In-Reply-To: <9f.122e429b.27d83dd3@aol.com> Message-ID: CR5 does not have any tape calibration features at all. Other than manual bias level adjustment. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 7:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 Hi! Can anyone answer this question for me? Does the CR-5 have the same automatic tape calibration features that the CR-7 is famous for? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 07:17:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:17:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010308041812.EB7181DFCFD@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <028f01c0a797$749b29c0$433442cf@sank1> The Sankyo transport, i.e., CR-7, etc., is a quite well-designed mechanism & quite stable. My primary reason for wishing for a CR-7 w/ZX-9 transport is longevity. In my experience, the Sankyo mech's eventually reach a point of just plain wearing out, although this is much less evident with the direct drive model than with the belt drive. The real Nak transports are "Energizer bunnies". With some care, they just keep going, and going... As for the Dragon's meters, once well calibrated & warmed up for half an hour, they are actually quite accurate for bias/level calibration. Especially if you set the calibration "0" point to be just at the threshold of "full on" for the "0" LED. I don't think the ZX-9's meters are superior in any way, except for not needing to warm up to stabilise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > This is a nice question and I was wondering the same sometime ago. 1000ZXL in good mechanical condition and electronics tuned ( to remove unreliable components as well as calibrated as per manual) should definitely be an exceptional deck for recording as well as playback. I also suspect Nak would have selected the heads out of their lot for compliance to +-0.75 dB frequency response. Eventhough wow and flutter may not match Dragon / ZX9, it should sound great to any ear - Carlos had many times praised it in his postings. But maintanence is another area as the machines must have aged, and we need Stephen or Jeff to touch it with parts availability limited to most probably Jeff. > However CR7 inherits some of the technology from 1000ZXL like Micro processor calibration not the same extent as ZXL. > Does CR7 also uses selected heads? > > - Stephen do you feel CR7 basically any CR/BX series Direct drive machanism and heads and how can it sound better if something is not different in playback ( are you feeling only playback amp is the reason for it). > Particularly Dragon and ZX9 has better drive and probably better playback head should sound better. I am yet to lay my hands on Stephen' CR7 to compare. > ZX9 also seem to benefit from better calibration of playback at different frequencies unlike Dragon and others (like 10Khz adjustment). > > So I believe 1000ZXL and 700ZXL may be for the US residents capable of spending their Dollars and hope Stephen and Jeff will continue to support them. CR7 is definitely worth as it has good amount of life left in it.Parts availability may not be a problem for some more time. > Ron do not lose your CR7! > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > >Theoretically, the 1000ZXL has a more accurate bias & eq calibration system > >than the CR-7A, but I don't think the difference is very significant. I > >have never had a chance to A/B them, but my leaning has always been toward > >the CR-7. One technical point in favor of the CR-7: The ZXL is fully belt > >drive & therefore has higher wow/flutter & less long term speed stability. > >Also, the CR-7 has a more direct signal path & I have always felt it was > >more transparent. But, again, this is not based on actual A/B listening. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:29 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > >> > >> The recent talk about the 1000ZXL has brought up a > >> question I've been meaning to ask the knowledgeable > >> folk here for some time now. Here it is... > >> > >> I have a CR-7a that I am very happy with. It has just > >> been updated, serviced, calibrated and fully adjusted. > >> It sounds excellent -- I believe it's as good as a > >> CR-7 has a right to be :-). > >> > >> But, I wonder whether I can replace it with something > >> else, that will be even better. (Of course, whatever > >> it is, it's gonna be a Nakamichi. I have owned a Nak > >> for the past 25 years and my A/V system just won't > >> feel right without one.) Two models come to mind: the > >> Dragon and the 1000ZXL. > >> > >> As far as the Dragon goes, I have scratched it off the > >> list. I have it on the best authority (someone that > >> used both the Dragon and the CR-7 side by side) that > >> comparing PB of both machines is like splitting hairs > >> and, while the Dragon may provide better recording, > >> the difference isn't worth the hassle of taking the > >> CR-7 off its shelf. (BTW, I can live without the > >> Dragon's tape reversal.) > >> > >> So, the question I have for all Nakophiles that have > >> used either or both the 1000ZXL and the CR-7: do you > >> feel the alleged improvement of the 1000ZXL vs. the > >> CR-7 justifies the hassle and expense of upgrading > >> from the latter to the former? > >> > >> I will appreciate any insights you guys may wish to > >> offer. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Mar 8 07:48:57 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:48:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D288@CPT-01> i think giving the zxl a whack would be problematic....but nice to hear that this age old technique still has a place -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 07 March 2001 18:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl Yes, I meant whack the Dolby unit. Of course, there is some possiblility that it could be connection problems in the ZXL, so you could give that a whack a well, in case whacking the Dolby unit is unproductive/inconclusive. Also, you can pick up each side of the NR unit an inch & drop(one side at a time). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > when you say unit do you mean the dolby c unit?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 07 March 2001 17:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > Kent is entirely correct, and I agree that it is the most likely cause, > other than bad solder joints. If you can whack the unit with your hand & > make the noise go away, than it is a soldering problem. If it has no > effect, than look to the Dolby IC's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Merideth" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > Neal, > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > Kent Merideth > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neal Walker > > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when i > > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who sold > > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > > problem?? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 09:09:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:09:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D288@CPT-01> Message-ID: <02c701c0a7a7$1aad0ea0$433442cf@sank1> Oh, hell, you don't have to worry about whacking a ZXL! You could beat the thing until your hands are bloody & not hurt it a bit. But I certainly think it most likely that the NR unit is the source of trouble. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > i think giving the zxl a whack would be problematic....but nice to hear that > this age old technique still has a place > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 07 March 2001 18:40 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > Yes, I meant whack the Dolby unit. Of course, there is some possiblility > that it could be connection problems in the ZXL, so you could give that a > whack a well, in case whacking the Dolby unit is unproductive/inconclusive. > Also, you can pick up each side of the NR unit an inch & drop(one side at a > time). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > when you say unit do you mean the dolby c unit?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 07 March 2001 17:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > > > Kent is entirely correct, and I agree that it is the most likely cause, > > other than bad solder joints. If you can whack the unit with your hand & > > make the noise go away, than it is a soldering problem. If it has no > > effect, than look to the Dolby IC's. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kent Merideth" > > To: ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > > > Neal, > > > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, > this > > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a > bad > > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Neal Walker > > > Sent: 07 March 2001 09:07 > > > To: 'naktalks at nak.com' > > > Subject: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > > > I have recently acquired a nak 1000zxl in perfect condition however the > > > dolby c external system obviously didn't like the move to my house. when > i > > > use that as the external noise reduction system i get a crackle coming > > > through my system. i'm not sure if this is just a poor connection or not > > > but the leads seem fine although it was a little tight to get on. it > > > sounded perfect before i moved the system to my house and the guy who > sold > > > it to me can't understand what the problem is. has anybody had this > > > problem?? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Thu Mar 8 11:44:50 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:44:50 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] NAK owners manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 07-Mar-01 FrankMcCloud wrote: > I could also scan them and send to Wouter for his site. > Oh yes -- please do. These old brochures are quite interesting and make the collection at Wouters site all the more interesting. I can't find the one anymore where they had the CR-7 against the Dragon in a German Stereophile or something like that. I found that one quite interesting at that time. Maybe it will pop out of some box or cupboard when I move the next time ;-) K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 08-Mar-01, 11:42:43 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 8 13:50:09 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:50:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: Message-ID: <000c01c0a7ce$4f84d1e0$c1496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I'm a TAG Heuer man myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankMcCloud" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my > "collection" is limited to one right now!) > > I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that > interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical > instruments. > > Frank > > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stan Targowski > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to mention > that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may be > the most expensive proposition of all ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a > whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more sane! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list are > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, who > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say > for > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something expensive, > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > decks, > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > George Valkov > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > sophisticated > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > All > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 14:56:24 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:56:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010308045316.EBF541DFCD7@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <008c01c0a7d7$92e71980$52021fac@brianm> Kannan, I didn't say that I thought the Dragon wasn't good at recording, I stated that I didn't think it was superior to the others, as the person I replied to had stated it was. Also, I have been told that the Dragon's play head has 2 extra gaps for auto azimuth and the extra gaps cause a slight playback compromise Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: e: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > I do not agree to this Dragon is not great for recording - after I had recently tried recording on a Dragon { using external digital Multimeter and VTVM to calibrate bias and level on a Dragon ( also knowing the play back response at 15 Khz to be -21 dB instead of -20 dB with Nak test tape)}. It gives exceptional sound but if you use the the Dragon's meters for calibration you are not calibrating accurately and the sound is not very good. > Dragon' Motors( as well as Heads) are truely exceptional like ZX9 and I think ZX9 meters are far more accurate than Dragon the reason probably explains how people get better recording calibration > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Miller > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > >I concur with Sam that others that have spent more or at least some time > >with all these decks can give the best insight. But hey, like Sam, I will > >throw in my .02 cent. I have not used the 1000 ZXL or Dragon at all, I have > >owned the 680, ZX-9 and CR-7.. As Sam said, I don't agree that the Dragon > >is a better recording deck than the others nor do I think it's superior in > >PB as far as sound quality. Now if you are using tapes recorded from other > >decks, then the Dragon may excel, but if you are playing tapes that you > >record I believe the others will outperform the Dragonin PB also. > > > >I feel the ZX-9 has an advantage in recording over the CR-7. Sam had > >questioned why Nak used the ZX-9's, well I wasn't there when they decided, > >but it's clear that's what they choose. Will the 1000ZXL perform better in > >recording? I don't know, maybe they had good reason for not using it, such > >as availability, compatibility, ease of use, etc... > > > >I derived at these decisions from talking with people. Jeffrey has been a > >big help! Anyway, right or wrong it's my .02 cents. All these decks are > >great decks and excel in one area over the others. > > > >Brian Miller > >Michigan > > > >For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > >believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:29 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > >> A very interesting question - and I will leave it up to those more > >> knowledgeable than I to fully answer. Here's my take on your question - > >The > >> CR-7 represents the pinnacle of recording technologies for Nakamichi > >during > >> their cassette deck recording heydays. When you ask those in the know > >what > >> are the best recording NAKs, the CR-7, 1000ZXL and ZX-9 are always listed > >as > >> being the best. The CR-7 incorporates many of the features first > >introduced > >> in the 1000ZXL but is automatic rather than manual. So, it may depend on > >how > >> you like to create your recordings rather than which deck is best. Again, > >> I'll let Stephen or Jeff run through the details regarding specs. > >> > >> Re: you comments about the Dragon. I have wanted a Dragon and CR-7 for > >some > >> time now. From what I've been able to grasp from this group's expertise, > >the > >> Dragon is a superb PB deck. The decks mentioned above outperform the > >Dragon > >> in the recording category, but it is one of the best playback decks > >> available. And, outside of the most highly trained and sophisticated > >"ear," > >> we are splitting hairs as any of these decks will provide you with the > >most > >> enjoyable cassette experience available. In fact, you're the first person > >> I've encountered that's said the recording of the Dragon was better than > >the > >> CR-7. I hope this helps! > >> > >> -Sam > >> > >> PS > >> > >> Please let me know if you decide to sell your CR-7. Thanks! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Thu Mar 8 15:06:18 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:06:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: <87.7d5efec.27d8ebda@aol.com> Hello, I have a Nakamichi RX-505 that i just had fully overhauled by Nakamichi. To me, the sound quality is excellent, i also have reel to reel machine. The recording and playback of my RX-505 rival the reel to reel. How would you people rate the RX-505? I cant complain at all. If there is better sound, my ears cant detect it. It sounds as good as the source. Seems to have CD quality sound. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 16:39:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:39:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: <000c01c0a7ce$4f84d1e0$c1496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <02d701c0a7e5$fb988500$433442cf@sank1> I'm into those really exotic Casio watches. :) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > I'm a TAG Heuer man myself. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FrankMcCloud" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:02 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > > > I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but my > > "collection" is limited to one right now!) > > > > I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that > > interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical > > instruments. > > > > Frank > > > > > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stan Targowski > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > > > The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to > mention > > that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may > be > > the most expensive proposition of all ... > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made a > > whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more > sane! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list > are > > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we can. > > > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, > who > > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's say > > for > > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something > expensive, > > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > > decks, > > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > George Valkov > > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > > sophisticated > > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an > exception -:) > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > > > All > > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 16:41:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:41:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010308045316.EBF541DFCD7@webmail.vsnl.com> <008c01c0a7d7$92e71980$52021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <02dd01c0a7e6$30bbbae0$433442cf@sank1> A slight correction: The Dragon's Pb head merely has a center tapped coil on one channel of each direction for auto-azimuth & presented no compromise to performance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > Kannan, > > I didn't say that I thought the Dragon wasn't good at recording, I stated > that I didn't think it was superior to the others, as the person I replied > to had stated it was. Also, I have been told that the Dragon's play head > has 2 extra gaps for auto azimuth and the extra gaps cause a slight playback > compromise > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:53 PM > Subject: e: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > > I do not agree to this Dragon is not great for recording - after I had > recently tried recording on a Dragon { using external digital Multimeter and > VTVM to calibrate bias and level on a Dragon ( also knowing the play back > response at 15 Khz to be -21 dB instead of -20 dB with Nak test tape)}. It > gives exceptional sound but if you use the the Dragon's meters for > calibration you are not calibrating accurately and the sound is not very > good. > > Dragon' Motors( as well as Heads) are truely exceptional like ZX9 and I > think ZX9 meters are far more accurate than Dragon the reason probably > explains how people get better recording calibration > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Miller > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > > >I concur with Sam that others that have spent more or at least some time > > >with all these decks can give the best insight. But hey, like Sam, I > will > > >throw in my .02 cent. I have not used the 1000 ZXL or Dragon at all, I > have > > >owned the 680, ZX-9 and CR-7.. As Sam said, I don't agree that the > Dragon > > >is a better recording deck than the others nor do I think it's superior > in > > >PB as far as sound quality. Now if you are using tapes recorded from > other > > >decks, then the Dragon may excel, but if you are playing tapes that you > > >record I believe the others will outperform the Dragonin PB also. > > > > > >I feel the ZX-9 has an advantage in recording over the CR-7. Sam had > > >questioned why Nak used the ZX-9's, well I wasn't there when they > decided, > > >but it's clear that's what they choose. Will the 1000ZXL perform better > in > > >recording? I don't know, maybe they had good reason for not using it, > such > > >as availability, compatibility, ease of use, etc... > > > > > >I derived at these decisions from talking with people. Jeffrey has been > a > > >big help! Anyway, right or wrong it's my .02 cents. All these decks are > > >great decks and excel in one area over the others. > > > > > >Brian Miller > > >Michigan > > > > > >For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that > whoever > > >believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > > > > >> A very interesting question - and I will leave it up to those more > > >> knowledgeable than I to fully answer. Here's my take on your > question - > > >The > > >> CR-7 represents the pinnacle of recording technologies for Nakamichi > > >during > > >> their cassette deck recording heydays. When you ask those in the know > > >what > > >> are the best recording NAKs, the CR-7, 1000ZXL and ZX-9 are always > listed > > >as > > >> being the best. The CR-7 incorporates many of the features first > > >introduced > > >> in the 1000ZXL but is automatic rather than manual. So, it may depend > on > > >how > > >> you like to create your recordings rather than which deck is best. > Again, > > >> I'll let Stephen or Jeff run through the details regarding specs. > > >> > > >> Re: you comments about the Dragon. I have wanted a Dragon and CR-7 for > > >some > > >> time now. From what I've been able to grasp from this group's > expertise, > > >the > > >> Dragon is a superb PB deck. The decks mentioned above outperform the > > >Dragon > > >> in the recording category, but it is one of the best playback decks > > >> available. And, outside of the most highly trained and sophisticated > > >"ear," > > >> we are splitting hairs as any of these decks will provide you with the > > >most > > >> enjoyable cassette experience available. In fact, you're the first > person > > >> I've encountered that's said the recording of the Dragon was better > than > > >the > > >> CR-7. I hope this helps! > > >> > > >> -Sam > > >> > > >> PS > > >> > > >> Please let me know if you decide to sell your CR-7. Thanks! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 8 17:23:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:23:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "Gear upgrade" complete procedure available for download Message-ID: <032a01c0a7ec$0d387c60$433442cf@sank1> I have just uploaded the full 8-page "gear upgrade" procedure service bulletin to my ftp space. Wouter, or anybody, please feel free to download it & convert to .pdf(from .gif) for insertion on the naks.com server. The link for downloading is: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/gearmod.zip It is just over 450k in size. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Thu Mar 8 17:24:18 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:24:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: <200103081124_MC2-C826-4414@compuserve.com> who else makes a GPS and a Cellular Phone watch? Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 8 17:30:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:30:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: <000c01c0a7ce$4f84d1e0$c1496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <02d701c0a7e5$fb988500$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AA7B3AC.661C57F6@concentric.net> God... You took the words right out of my mouth... I was going to post the following yesterday evening, except that, for some reason, the wife thought dinner was more important, so I saved it for later. Here it is: I, too, am interested in watches, especially when I need to know what time it is. At the present time, the only one in my collection is a Casio DW-5600. It's the only one in their catalog that has a metal case, all others are plastic. It is water resistant to 200 meters (which means that I can wash my hands without taking it off). It has a Lithium battery that will last until it dies and is accurate (the watch, not the battery) to within one second per month (at least, in February). It cost all of 50 bucks and I even got a nickel back in change. :-) :-) :-). -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I'm into those really exotic Casio watches. :) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > > I'm a TAG Heuer man myself. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "FrankMcCloud" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:02 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > > > > > > I am also a collector of Swiss and German watches. (and women too, but > my > > > "collection" is limited to one right now!) > > > > > > I wonder how many of us there are in this NAK group that have that > > > interest. It may have something to do with liking fine mechanical > > > instruments. > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stan Targowski > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:30 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > > > > > > The worst part is when you like both Audio Gear AND Watches - not to > > mention > > > that being single again, I am learning to like women again, and this may > > be > > > the most expensive proposition of all ... > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 9:53 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > > > > $4k is entry level on exotic watches? Gee, Stan, I think you just made > a > > > whole lot of us people with audiophile's disease feel a whole lot more > > sane! > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:08 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > > > > > I am not suggesting that this is the case here. Most of us on the list > > are > > > > Nakamichi Tape Deck connoisseurs and are eager to test anything we > can. > > > > > > > > However, I can easily see how this happens. Picture some rich fellow, > > who > > > > wants to have the best of everything, buys the entire system, let's > say > > > for > > > > $25,000-50,000. Part of it is a tape-deck he never uses. > > > > > > > > I caught myself doing the same with watches. You buy something > > expensive, > > > > and then you are not feeling right about wearing it, so it sits in the > > > > closet or on the winder until you decide to sell it - and unlike tape > > > decks, > > > > $4,000 is more of an low entry point to exotic watches ... > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > George Valkov > > > > Sent: Wed, March 07, 2001 5:11 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > > > > > > > > > "I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I > not > > > > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > > > sophisticated > > > > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an > > exception -:) > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:07:11 +0530 (IST) > > > > > > > > All > > > > See one 1000ZXL listed but with wrong naming "Nakaichi 1000ZXL" > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219929348 > > > > > > > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Mar 8 17:57:25 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:57:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: <8d.35979fe.27d913f6@aol.com> Ditto John. I am presently wearing a Searacer. Great piece. California John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Mar 8 18:09:37 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:09:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: <3AA7B3AC.661C57F6@concentric.net> Message-ID: Re: Watches.....this poses an interesting question: Which is better, Digital or Analog?? (Why does that question sound familiar?) Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 18:31:31 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:31:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: Message-ID: <016901c0a7f5$9e9a1ca0$52021fac@brianm> As usual, analog!!! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... > Re: Watches.....this poses an interesting question: Which is better, > Digital or Analog?? (Why does that question sound familiar?) > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 8 18:33:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:33:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: Message-ID: <3AA7C253.18531C47@concentric.net> Roland Alford wrote: > > Re: Watches.....this poses an interesting question: Which is better, > Digital or Analog?? (Why does that question sound familiar?) Digital is better. Gives you 24 hour readout and you don't have to count the little lines. But of course, it all depends on your DAC. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca Thu Mar 8 19:25:26 2001 From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:25:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... In-Reply-To: <8d.35979fe.27d913f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AA75E16.25720.15A29A@localhost> I must admit - I'm a watch admirer too. I like the vintage automatics - I have a couple of Omegas (Seamaster, Constellation, etc.), A couple of Eterna-Matics, Glycine, Rado, etc... Too many I guess! A. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 20:14:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:14:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 vs. CR-7 Message-ID: Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 20:16:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:16:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: I have so many, I stopped purchasing watches several years ago. I have had my eye on the new TG Ti but will pass for the moment. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 20:19:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:19:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... Message-ID: <33.11ab7f7c.27d93538@aol.com> I concur! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 20:30:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:30:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: It is interesting that we often refer to the sound of the top NAK decks as "CD quality." When, depending on your preference for analog vs.digital signal; in my humble opinion I have found the sound to be superior to CD's. But, that's another discussion and much is involved in the final outcome. Stephen shared some very interesting comments regarding the RX 505 last week. I have known several people (this deck was the most popular deck behind the Dragon while I was in the armed services overseas), and not only is the sound quality is great, but it is a "blast" watch, has a nice presence within any stereo environment, and is always a conversation piece as it has a high "wow" factor. Again, we are talking about the best tape decks ever so often we are splitting "hairs." I have not encountered a RX 505 owner who was not completely satisfied with this deck. And, according to Stephen, it is one of the more durable and longer lasting NAK decks. So, I think it is fair to say that you have a GREAT machine that will last for many years to come. To the group at large - is it fair to say that in general for playback the RX 505 and Dragon are great decks? And, for recording the CR-7a, ZX-9, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, and a finely tuned 700 II are great decks? And again, I understand we are all splitting hairs...and for what it's worth, for PB my TEAC RX 919 is one of the best decks I've ever heard. If it had azimuth alignment...would the sound be any better? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 21:09:19 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:09:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] one who likes audio AND watches ... References: <3AA7C253.18531C47@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006601c0a742$80cd6b40$a4289bca@smarzuki> Yup ! Getting tired of changing idlers ... Salim SM Ron, good ones ... it's 2am here and I'm laughing out loud ! > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > Re: Watches.....this poses an interesting question: Which is better, > > Digital or Analog?? (Why does that question sound familiar?) > > Digital is better. Gives you 24 hour readout and you > don't have to count the little lines. But of course, > it all depends on your DAC. > > -- Ron _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 21:09:26 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:09:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D284@CPT-01> Message-ID: <006701c0a742$84fe1ca0$a4289bca@smarzuki> Kent, Mine also use sockets but strangely 1 is soldered ! All solder looks original though. The ICs are all LA 2730, probably assembled about the time Nak switched to this chip. I was thinking on putting 15k tone on it, using mpx knob as a switch between 400 and 15k. Would it be too difficult to incorporate a meter -20db sens adjuster as in Nak decks ? Salim SM can't believe nak put so many screws on such small unit. -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] Neal, If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. Kent Merideth >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 21:15:30 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:15:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: Message-ID: <01d501c0a80c$871443a0$52021fac@brianm> Sam, What sounds best is always a controversy. Let me give some scenarios as to analog vs. digital. LP done right still seems to be arguably the best sound. So, take a good LP rig and record it with a top cassette deck and compare it with a great CD player. Which is better? I dunno, would love to hear that comparison. There is a lot more to that though, like was the CD mastered well or not, etc. Take a great CD player, record it on a top cassette deck, compare the tape to a *cheap* CD player, I would give the nod to the cassette easily, as for sound. I have a Meridian 508.24 CD player, a respected CD player. If I record from that to my CR-7, is it better than my CD player I recorded it from? No, but very good! To your other questions about the 505 and Dragon. I think they are both great decks, but I think both can be outperformed in both record and playback. The Dragon's big advantage for playback, as has been stated recently, is that it has auto azimuth, which benefits you if you are planning on playing tapes recorded on other decks. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > It is interesting that we often refer to the sound of the top NAK decks as > "CD quality." When, depending on your preference for analog vs.digital > signal; in my humble opinion I have found the sound to be superior to CD's. > But, that's another discussion and much is involved in the final outcome. > > Stephen shared some very interesting comments regarding the RX 505 last week. > I have known several people (this deck was the most popular deck behind the > Dragon while I was in the armed services overseas), and not only is the sound > quality is great, but it is a "blast" watch, has a nice presence within any > stereo environment, and is always a conversation piece as it has a high "wow" > factor. > > Again, we are talking about the best tape decks ever so often we are > splitting "hairs." I have not encountered a RX 505 owner who was not > completely satisfied with this deck. And, according to Stephen, it is one of > the more durable and longer lasting NAK decks. So, I think it is fair to say > that you have a GREAT machine that will last for many years to come. > > To the group at large - is it fair to say that in general for playback the RX > 505 and Dragon are great decks? And, for recording the CR-7a, ZX-9, 1000ZXL, > 700ZXL, and a finely tuned 700 II are great decks? And again, I understand > we are all splitting hairs...and for what it's worth, for PB my TEAC RX 919 > is one of the best decks I've ever heard. If it had azimuth > alignment...would the sound be any better? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 8 21:22:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:22:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: Although I've longed for a Dragon for many years, as I became familiar with this group and began to learn more about NAKs and recording in general, I learned a great deal about the CR series of decks. I almost purchased a CR-5 and instead purchased my TEAC RX 919x. Having owned a NAK BX-150 I am familiar with Nakamichi decks and personally I like the way the Dragon looks, and the automatic azimuth alignment features and auto-reverse functions are really nice. Having heard a recording made with the CR-7, I really like the sound. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 21:47:07 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:47:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: Message-ID: <021301c0a810$f1fce600$52021fac@brianm> Yep Sam, I think you would be very happy with a number of the top Nak decks. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > Although I've longed for a Dragon for many years, as I became familiar with > this group and began to learn more about NAKs and recording in general, I > learned a great deal about the CR series of decks. I almost purchased a CR-5 > and instead purchased my TEAC RX 919x. Having owned a NAK BX-150 I am > familiar with Nakamichi decks and personally I like the way the Dragon looks, > and the automatic azimuth alignment features and auto-reverse functions are > really nice. Having heard a recording made with the CR-7, I really like the > sound. > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 8 21:52:20 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:52:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: Message-ID: <021b01c0a811$ac2b4080$52021fac@brianm> BTW Sam, prices seem to be down on the Dragon right now, it's a good time to buy one. A guy I communicate with via e-mail occasionally just picked one up for $650 from the original owner. It's his first Nak. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > Although I've longed for a Dragon for many years, as I became familiar with > this group and began to learn more about NAKs and recording in general, I > learned a great deal about the CR series of decks. I almost purchased a CR-5 > and instead purchased my TEAC RX 919x. Having owned a NAK BX-150 I am > familiar with Nakamichi decks and personally I like the way the Dragon looks, > and the automatic azimuth alignment features and auto-reverse functions are > really nice. Having heard a recording made with the CR-7, I really like the > sound. > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 9 00:47:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:47:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D284@CPT-01> <006701c0a742$84fe1ca0$a4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003301c0a82a$3248d2a0$493442cf@sank1> I don't have an NR200 manual around to see the meter drive circuits, but, if it is an ordinary opamp stage, you simply need to change the ratio of the gain setting resistors. Voltage gain is determined by the formula: Av= R2/R1, where Av is voltage gain, R2 is the feedback resistor, and R1 is the resistor that from the input end of the feedback resistor to ground(or to input signal if an inverting amp stage). You just need to switch either resistor value such that the ratio of R2/R1 is 1/10th of the existing ratio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > Kent, > > Mine also use sockets but strangely 1 is soldered ! All solder looks > original though. The ICs are all LA 2730, probably assembled about the time > Nak switched to this chip. > > I was thinking on putting 15k tone on it, using mpx knob as a switch between > 400 and 15k. Would it be too difficult to incorporate a meter -20db sens > adjuster as in Nak decks ? > > Salim SM > can't believe nak put so many screws on such small unit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > > Neal, > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > Kent Merideth > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Mar 9 04:40:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:10:10 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: <20010309034010.008141E00F0@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 9 07:24:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:24:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010309034010.008141E00F0@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <005b01c0a861$a52f2bc0$493442cf@sank1> Yes, I know. But who's going to scrap a ZX-9 with a good transport to make the Ultra-1000-ZXL? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > Stephen > Zx9 motor(DD)or the entire mechanism can easily fit on a 1000ZXL chassis with minimal change in the circuitry as Capstans are always powered anyway. With this Mod I think 1000ZXL can not be beaten - ofcourse use zxl' heads as I suspect they may be selected ones. Wish somebody gives you that Mod job. > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > >A slight correction: The Dragon's Pb head merely has a center tapped coil > >on one channel of each direction for auto-azimuth & presented no compromise > >to performance. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Miller" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > >> Kannan, > >> > >> I didn't say that I thought the Dragon wasn't good at recording, I stated > >> that I didn't think it was superior to the others, as the person I replied > >> to had stated it was. Also, I have been told that the Dragon's play head > >> has 2 extra gaps for auto azimuth and the extra gaps cause a slight > >playback > >> compromise > >> > >> Brian Miller > >> Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Fri Mar 9 08:05:32 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:05:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D290@CPT-01> i have no doubt somebody here will try -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 09 March 2001 08:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Yes, I know. But who's going to scrap a ZX-9 with a good transport to make the Ultra-1000-ZXL? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > Stephen > Zx9 motor(DD)or the entire mechanism can easily fit on a 1000ZXL chassis with minimal change in the circuitry as Capstans are always powered anyway. With this Mod I think 1000ZXL can not be beaten - ofcourse use zxl' heads as I suspect they may be selected ones. Wish somebody gives you that Mod job. > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > >A slight correction: The Dragon's Pb head merely has a center tapped coil > >on one channel of each direction for auto-azimuth & presented no compromise > >to performance. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Miller" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > > > > >> Kannan, > >> > >> I didn't say that I thought the Dragon wasn't good at recording, I stated > >> that I didn't think it was superior to the others, as the person I replied > >> to had stated it was. Also, I have been told that the Dragon's play head > >> has 2 extra gaps for auto azimuth and the extra gaps cause a slight > >playback > >> compromise > >> > >> Brian Miller > >> Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Fri Mar 9 08:24:57 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:24:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT 1000 Message-ID: <200103090724.f297OuN13528@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Hi guys, can anybody tell me more about the DAT 1000 Deck? Today one piece appeared at German eBay starting with 5000,- DM Unfortunately I can't find any pictures, prices or similar information around the web. Thanks to all Nakamaniacs out there Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, Fax, SMS, Verschlusselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 9 09:08:55 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:08:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] support site update Message-ID: <3AA88F97.8CBF36D6@xs4all.nl> Hi All, I've added the gearmod update PDF from Stephen Sank to the support.naks.com site and also changed the password for the site: login: naktalk password: gearmod You can find the manual here: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/gearmod.pdf Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks for your help, Marc hzl88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] support site update > Hi All, > > I've added the gearmod update PDF from Stephen Sank to the > support.naks.com site and also changed the password for the site: > > login: naktalk > password: gearmod > > You can find the manual here: > > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/gearmod.pdf > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at email.msn.com Fri Mar 9 16:53:17 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:53:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] support site update References: <3AA88F97.8CBF36D6@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002101c0a8b1$6bd87700$c38b263f@Marc> Hi All, Wouter, is there a Manual for a 550 on your site, can you please post the link, if possible? Does anyone else have scanned 550 info I may download? I will gladly trade anything I might have, info-wise. Thanks for your help, Marc hzl88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] support site update > Hi All, > > I've added the gearmod update PDF from Stephen Sank to the > support.naks.com site and also changed the password for the site: > > login: naktalk > password: gearmod > > You can find the manual here: > > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/gearmod.pdf > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 9 20:04:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:04:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> Hi All! I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of NAK decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and recording capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is it worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but for roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or Stephen can work on and update these decks. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 9 20:10:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:10:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Recording Basics 101 - Power Message-ID: <48.128972e2.27da848f@aol.com> Hi! I have another basic question for the group - how much "power" should you use during recording? I use a mixing board and have the option to vary the power via the master control and the individual left and right channel controls. I use the metering of my decks and was just curious if bypassing the mixer and having the amplification go directly to the deck would make a difference in the quality of my recordings? Also, along these lines is it true that you lose 2 dB for every extra line you add to the power chain? (e.g. my amplifier runs to the mixer 1st, (is that a 2 dB loss), then to the deck (is that a 2 dB loss). If yes, is this compensated by the simply adding power? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Mar 9 20:41:17 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:41:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player In-Reply-To: <3AA88F97.8CBF36D6@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I was thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T Tube output player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something better. A guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for about $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Mar 9 20:31:39 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:31:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT 1000 References: <200103090724.f297OuN13528@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <3AA92F9B.23832B86@telcel.net.ve> Klaus if you want to see pictures of this machine there is this page you can check which is: http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html It's a great nkk page Hope you'll enjoy it Isy Klaus Fendt wrote: > Hi guys, > > can anybody tell me more about the DAT 1000 Deck? > Today one piece appeared at German eBay starting with 5000,- DM > Unfortunately I can't find any pictures, prices or similar information around the web. > > Thanks to all Nakamaniacs out there > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, > Fax, SMS, Verschlusselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Mar 9 21:05:06 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:05:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> Message-ID: <006501c0a8d4$3cada540$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I have an almost mint Nak.700 II with wired remote and original shipping carton for sale. This was tuned by Steven who said that it was as near to a new one that he had seen and flat to 20k. Cosmetically it's not mint, few things are after 20+years but mechanically she is. These remotes are supposedly as rare as hens teeth. It has played very few cassettes since its trip to NM and has not recorded anything. If anybody here is interested please contact me directly at jmtooley at ce.net Thank you, John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question > Hi All! > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of NAK > decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and recording > capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint > condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their > sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is it > worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but for > roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, > 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or Stephen > can work on and update these decks. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 22:09:26 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:09:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT 1000 In-Reply-To: <200103090724.f297OuN13528@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <20010309210926.1683.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Klaus, I have scanned images of the Nakamichi 1000 DAT recorder on my web site. www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi.html Geocities have been a little flakey, so if you can't get it the first time try again later. SJ --- Klaus Fendt wrote: > Hi guys, > > can anybody tell me more about the DAT 1000 Deck? > Today one piece appeared at German eBay starting > with 5000,- DM > Unfortunately I can't find any pictures, prices or > similar information around the web. > > Thanks to all Nakamaniacs out there > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 > 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal > Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, > Fax, SMS, Verschlusselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie > uns! http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Mar 9 23:43:36 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:43:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay References: <200103070839_MC2-C7F6-8A7B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <00a701c0a8ea$612fa560$832f2ac4@coqui.net> Yeah ! The old story that it was never used. Well, I bought a " never recorded a full 90 minutes tape " like new 1000 ZXL and right now it's gonna has its first anniversary in Stephen's hands because the part hasn't arrived from England yet. Why a never used deck was damage ? Don't ask me. I'm just trying to figure it out myself ! BTW, does someone knows how to bring a part from England in less than a couple of months ? Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >"I bought it new for around 4000 USD and I never used it" - why am I not > believing this ? Would anyone spend 4000 USD (in 1980-82)for a > sophisticated > piece of equipment and not use it ? OK, so wufwuf1 may be an exception -:) > < > > well, there are a few special cases. my 700ZXL was originally bought by a > studio that also bought a lot of other gadgets just to try out. the guy put > at most 100 hours of tape time onto the unit over the 10 years he owned it. > to him, that meant that he never used it. the difference is, i dealt with > someone i knew well as the dealer who bought and sold only the good stuff. > > Herb... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Mar 9 23:49:05 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:49:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> <006501c0a8d4$3cada540$bf496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <00e401c0a8eb$25384700$832f2ac4@coqui.net> I have a same one but with the big difference that it's almost new inside and outside, together with original carton, manual and schematics. Anyone interested ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question > I have an almost mint Nak.700 II with wired remote and original shipping > carton for sale. This was tuned by Steven who said that it was as near to a > new one that he had seen and flat to 20k. Cosmetically it's not mint, few > things are after 20+years but mechanically she is. These remotes are > supposedly as rare as hens teeth. It has played very few cassettes since > its trip to NM and has not recorded anything. If anybody here is interested > please contact me directly at jmtooley at ce.net > > Thank you, > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 2:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question > > > > Hi All! > > > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of > NAK > > decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and > recording > > capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint > > condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their > > sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is > it > > worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but > for > > roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, > > 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or > Stephen > > can work on and update these decks. Thanks! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Fri Mar 9 23:39:39 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:39:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 questions Message-ID: <200103092239.RAA00768@herrman.home> I have a chance to buy a RX505 locally from a shop that will give me a 30 day guarantee for $500. I was just looking at it and I'm not sure the reverse direction feature was working properly. The switch was set to reverse, but when it reached the end of one side it turned the tape around, pulled it back, but then didn't play it and instead ejected it. I didn't have a manual, but this appeared to be a malfunction, right? I can't seem to find the FTP address--is there a manual there? I have a 680ZX. Here's my impression of the strong-points of the two different decks: 680ZX: cool meters, half-speed, master recording level control; RX505: auto-reverse, bias control, Dolby C. Are there other points I'm overlooking? Thanks, Jud Herrman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Mar 10 00:11:43 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:11:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 questions In-Reply-To: <200103092239.RAA00768@herrman.home> Message-ID: Jud wrote: > I have a chance to buy a RX505 locally from a shop that will give me a > 30 day guarantee for $500. I was just looking at it and I'm not sure > the reverse direction feature was working properly. If they are guaranteeing it...then they should repair it before you buy it...no? You should make sure the autoreverse button is marked for the loop...but the ejecting thing is strange...doesn't sound right. > RX505: auto-reverse, bias control, Dolby C. > > Are there other points I'm overlooking? Well...this is my opinion...but I think the RX505 (and 303) are the coolest looking Nakamichi decks ever made. :-) Somebody had earlier mentioned the 'wow' factor. However, I would not buy an RX deck if you are doing any recording. I am looking for one right now to go with my Dragon. I think they will make a wonderful pair. This guy I know that deals in slightly used high-end stuff has a ton of Nak decks....a CR7, 1000ZXL, Dragon, RX505 (he wants $650 for his and it looks like he just pulled it out of the original box), and about 3 other decks. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 00:22:01 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:22:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 DAT corrected URL In-Reply-To: <200103090724.f297OuN13528@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <20010309232201.21658.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Klaus, Sorry I gave you a bad link. Here's the correct one. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html You're find the Nakamichi 1000 DAT under brochures and then DAT decks. SJ --- Klaus Fendt wrote: > Hi guys, > > can anybody tell me more about the DAT 1000 Deck? > Today one piece appeared at German eBay starting > with 5000,- DM > Unfortunately I can't find any pictures, prices or > similar information around the web. > > Thanks to all Nakamaniacs out there > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 > 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal > Testsieger! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 10 00:31:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:31:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> Message-ID: <014b01c0a8f1$0d177640$493442cf@sank1> I think John Tooley will agree with me that the 700 rec/pb quality is superb, but in a bit different way than CR-7, etc. A different flavor of goodness. Rich & musical, but perhaps a little less transparent. As for age, I have had very little trouble keeping these old Naks running just fine, and don't expect that to change anytime in the next decade. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question > Hi All! > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of NAK > decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and recording > capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint > condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their > sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is it > worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but for > roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, > 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or Stephen > can work on and update these decks. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 10 00:33:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:33:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Basics 101 - Power References: <48.128972e2.27da848f@aol.com> Message-ID: <015101c0a8f1$67b56620$493442cf@sank1> In general, the fewer stages of amplification & cables you can do, the better the sound will be. As for cable, if you have actually measurable level loss, the cable is garbage. There are certainly colorations inflicted by cables, so the fewer & shorter the better, but not overall level changes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recording Basics 101 - Power > Hi! > > I have another basic question for the group - how much "power" should you use > during recording? I use a mixing board and have the option to vary the power > via the master control and the individual left and right channel controls. I > use the metering of my decks and was just curious if bypassing the mixer and > having the amplification go directly to the deck would make a difference in > the quality of my recordings? > > Also, along these lines is it true that you lose 2 dB for every extra line > you add to the power chain? (e.g. my amplifier runs to the mixer 1st, (is > that a 2 dB loss), then to the deck (is that a 2 dB loss). If yes, is this > compensated by the simply adding power? Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 10 00:43:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:43:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 questions References: <200103092239.RAA00768@herrman.home> Message-ID: <016e01c0a8f2$c6d3dfa0$493442cf@sank1> The RX-505 definitely has a problem, but probably not an expensive problem. If it is otherwise functioning well & cosmetically mint, then $500 is a reasonable, but not earth-shattering, deal. As for the 680ZX comparison, the ZX also has pitch control, but the RX-505, I think, has better sounding electronics. Mechanism & heads are identical, though. If I was offered a choice of either one for a nice price, I'd have a hard time choosing. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 questions > > I have a chance to buy a RX505 locally from a shop that will give me a > 30 day guarantee for $500. I was just looking at it and I'm not sure > the reverse direction feature was working properly. The switch was set > to reverse, but when it reached the end of one side it turned the tape > around, pulled it back, but then didn't play it and instead ejected > it. I didn't have a manual, but this appeared to be a malfunction, > right? I can't seem to find the FTP address--is there a manual there? > > I have a 680ZX. Here's my impression of the strong-points of the two > different decks: > > 680ZX: cool meters, half-speed, master recording level control; > > RX505: auto-reverse, bias control, Dolby C. > > Are there other points I'm overlooking? > > Thanks, Jud Herrman > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 10 00:54:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:54:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: Message-ID: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best sounding Nak CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit quickly, they were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that came after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit cloudy sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's very tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. Damned reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded much better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near as reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility of digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I was > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T Tube output > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something better. A > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for about > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Mar 10 02:56:54 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:56:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? Message-ID: There was talk on this list recently, I think, about an unused 1000ZXL...is this the same one? This guy is po'd. hehe http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220722970 Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Mar 10 04:12:37 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:12:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AA99BA4.E5983CAD@snet.net> Hi Sam, Stephen went over my 700II about 4 months ago and I must say that it is a tremendous sounding deck. I actually ended up selling my then current CR7A and putting the 700II in the system as my primary deck. Mind you, this move in no way indicated that I felt that the 700II was a better sounding deck as much as it shows the fact that I do listen to fewer and fewer tapes these days and have had a hard time justifying keeping the CR7A! I will say though that the 700II is without a doubt a considerably warmer and more musical sounding deck than I ever found the CR7A to be. But strictly speaking, the CR7A is capable of greater detail resolution and a truer presentation of the ambient and spatial cues in the performance. It is interesting to note that when I told Stephen that I was considering making the 700II my main deck his response was that he wouldn't be suprised if I did... it sounds great... forget about which op amp sounds better than which... it's all discrete. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi All! > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of NAK > decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and recording > capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint > condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their > sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is it > worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but for > roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, > 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or Stephen > can work on and update these decks. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Spankie01 at aol.com Sat Mar 10 08:22:50 2001 From: Spankie01 at aol.com (Spankie01 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:22:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR4 on the ebay Message-ID: I picked up a CR-4A on eBay a couple weeks ago for $150 that included the DM-10 demagnetizer as well. Deck was in great shape except for a scratch on the top & on a lower corner. I have been very very pleased with this unit. Wanted a Nak for a long time & didn't have much money to spend. I had been looking for the right Nak for the right price since last November, before I was able to snatch this one up. If the price is too high (for me, I wasnt going to spend over $225 & didnt have to), wait for another to come along, it will. Mike. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 10 16:32:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:32:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: Hi Ed, Thank you for the feedback regarding the 700 II. Do you use your 700 II primarily for playback or recording? Too bad I missed you CR-7... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 10 17:08:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:08:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: <29.1189da63.27da832e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AAA517E.E5F78019@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All! > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group about a couple of NAK > decks. What is the collective opinion regarding the playback and recording > capabilities of the 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II? I've seen several mint > condition decks on eBay and recall someone on this list referring to their > sound as "sweet." Given that they are at least 20 years old or older, is it > worth the investment in purchasing one? I know they are belt driven, but for > roughly less than $200 if their sound is comparable to the CR-7, Dragon, > 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, then it may be a worthy investment providing Jeff or Stephen > can work on and update these decks. Thanks! > > -Sam I owned the 700, about 25 years ago. While it was pre 700 II, the big difference, IIRC, was that the 700 II had longer lasting heads. I am not sure about the tri-tracer. The 700 was my first 'serious' cassette deck (also, my first Nakamichi), so the only bench mark were my previous 1/4" decks -- notably, ReVox A-77 and Grundig TK-46. Comparison with the ReVox would be unfair, since my whole system had changed from tubes to SS at the time. As to the Grundig, I thought the Nak was roughly as good (a huge compliment, since I loved the Grundig dearly). I would also describe the 700 sound as 'sweet', with clean, clean highs -- quite musical, with good body in the mid range and respectable bass. I still own some tapes that I made on it -- considering the source (remember that my major source at the time were LPs) and the age of the media, they are still quite respectable. Five or six year later, I replaced the 700 with a 582, because I wanted a lower deck to fit in my equipment rack :-) ... While the 582 was very good, I always felt that, sound wise, I had traded down a bit (not much, and not all the time, but a bit). When I finally bought a CR-7a, I definitely traded *up* again. To summarize, I think the 700 was a good deck indeed. Whether it was in quite the same class as the CR-7 is debatable (probably not), but it can't be too far. YMMV. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 10 17:44:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:44:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? References: Message-ID: <3AAA5A00.69012894@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > There was talk on this list recently, I think, about an unused 1000ZXL...is > this the same one? This guy is po'd. hehe > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220722970 > > Alex Apparently, it *is* the same person. I had a long talk with him over the phone -- this is an old timer that has been in the movie theater business for years. He explained that the deck is not new in terms of being in the original box, but new in terms of never used. Having talked with him, I do believe him. Certainly, there was no call to insult him -- he was quite willing to discuss the deck history and was more than pleasant. My problem is that a deck that has never been used for over 20 years will have all kinds of problems specific to that condition. Nothing that can't be fixed, but, nonetheless, something that *needs* to be fixed and involves complete cleaning and a lube (meaning, taking the mechanism completely apart) and a large number of electrical (elecrolytics) and mechanical (rubber and/or plastic) parts. Granted, once this is done, it's going to be a long lasting deck; presumably, very good sounding, too. It's at $1000 now -- several days before auction close. I suspect it will go for far more than it's value (which is, I'd say, about $1600, including the promised accessories). I don't think this is for me ... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 10 17:57:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:57:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Basics 101 - Power References: <48.128972e2.27da848f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AAA5CDF.74A6DE40@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi! > > I have another basic question for the group - how much "power" should you use > during recording? Sam, while you say 'power', you really mean, 'voltage'. The signal voltage you need is dictated by the reading of the deck VU meters. > I use a mixing board and have the option to vary the power > via the master control and the individual left and right channel controls. I > use the metering of my decks and was just curious if bypassing the mixer and > having the amplification go directly to the deck would make a difference in > the quality of my recordings? As Stephen already noted, the less circuitry in the signal path, the better. However, if the quality of the mixer is high enough (big 'if'), it probably doesn't make that much of a difference. The mixer and deck level controls should be adjusted for best S/N ratio. > Also, along these lines is it true that you lose 2 dB for every extra line > you add to the power chain? That's bull. Certainly, not at audio frequencies -- unless the cables are bad. > (e.g. my amplifier runs to the mixer 1st, (is > that a 2 dB loss), ......... NO!!! (Unless the cable is bad.) > ...... then to the deck (is that a 2 dB loss). NO!!! (Unless the cable is bad.) > If yes, is this compensated by the simply adding power? Whatever *voltage* loss there is (a tiny, tiny fraction of 1 db), it's easily compensated for by correct adjustment of the recording level control. -- Ron Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 10 18:20:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:20:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010309034010.008141E00F0@webmail.vsnl.com> <005b01c0a861$a52f2bc0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AAA625A.89990AFB@concentric.net> I wish to thank everyone that contributed to this thread, in response to my question. I gather that the answer is rather nebulous. In addition, having looked at the feature set of the 1000ZXL, I conclude that, while nice to have, there is nothing in there that I cannot live without... My conclusion is that, even given that the 1000ZXL is generally better sounding than my CR-7a, the difference probably does not justify a great effort, hassle and/or expense. I am not a Nak collector. (Rather, I just use the deck to listen to music...) As such, I own one deck and have no ambition to own more than one. I just wish this one deck to be the best I can find/afford. As an alternative, I intend to try and upgrade my CR-7a by replacing some op-amps and some capacitors in the signal path. When I get around to it and following some listening sessions, I will post my conclusions. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 10 21:06:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:06:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? References: <3AAA5A00.69012894@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001f01c0a99d$9bba2080$80232ac4@coqui.net> CAREFUL: some key parts are not available anymore or are almost impossible to find and very expensive too. Example: ABLE CPU. Anyway, in the * WOW * factor department is definetely the number one. Nobody has seen this deck without saying first: " What the hell is that ?" Believe me, there's not a single deck in this world that impress more than this Jap monster. By the way, I don't care if it's new, in my book this deck is no longer in the $1,500 anymore. I wouldn't pay over 1,000 bucks for any deck today. The only deck that I can pay that amount is the 1000 ZXL Limited and if it's in perfect working order. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Did I miss something? > > My problem is that a deck that has never been used for > over 20 years will have all kinds of problems specific > to that condition. Nothing that can't be fixed, but, > nonetheless, something that *needs* to be fixed ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 10 20:25:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:25:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a Message-ID: Hi Ron, Enjoy your CR-7 as it is a great deck! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 10 20:26:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:26:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Recording Basics 101 - Power Message-ID: <17.12bbeda9.27dbd9cb@aol.com> Thanks Ron! I really appreciate it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 10 22:20:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:20:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? References: <3AAA5A00.69012894@concentric.net> <001f01c0a99d$9bba2080$80232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3AAA9A81.C04151AF@concentric.net> Carlos wrote: > > CAREFUL: some key parts are not available anymore or are almost impossible > to find and very expensive too. Example: ABLE CPU. You have a point there. In addition to everything else I mentioned, a 'new' deck will show all the infant mortality problems that would have been fixed under warranty, had it been used when intended. > Anyway, in the * WOW * factor department is definetely the number one. > Nobody has seen this deck without saying first: " What the hell is that ?" > Believe me, there's not a single deck in this world that impress more than > this Jap monster. > > By the way, I don't care if it's new, in my book this deck is no longer in > the $1,500 anymore. I wouldn't pay over 1,000 bucks for any deck today. The > only deck that I can pay that amount is the 1000 ZXL Limited and if it's in > perfect working order. Well, you are applying logic to a purely emotional subject. The last 1000ZXL Special Edition I saw one ebay went for $2400. Because most people do not appreciate the problems associated with a 20 year old 'new' deck, it will probably go for a lot more than $1600. Personally, I would pay $1000 for it, right now, sight unseen, no questions asked. -- Ron > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Did I miss something? > > > > > My problem is that a deck that has never been used for > > over 20 years will have all kinds of problems specific > > to that condition. Nothing that can't be fixed, but, > > nonetheless, something that *needs* to be fixed ... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 10 22:38:57 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:38:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a References: <20010309034010.008141E00F0@webmail.vsnl.com> <005b01c0a861$a52f2bc0$493442cf@sank1> <3AAA625A.89990AFB@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00d601c0a9aa$86160b60$3e021fac@brianm> Hi Ron, I think many of us are the same, we want the best performance from what we have (or, if possible, the best performing piece). This is why I sent my CR-7A straight to Jeffrey when I received. I was also blessed that the previous owner replaced the I/O jacks with WBT jacks. I have no idea if they have improved the performance or not though. http://www.wbtusa.com/ Like you, I would love to have them all at my disposal to test. It seems all the top models have areas they excel in. (Models I have owned: 680; ZX-9; CR-7A) Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL vs. the CR-7a > > I wish to thank everyone that contributed to this > thread, in response to my question. I gather that > the answer is rather nebulous. In addition, having > looked at the feature set of the 1000ZXL, I > conclude that, while nice to have, there is nothing > in there that I cannot live without... My conclusion > is that, even given that the 1000ZXL is generally > better sounding than my CR-7a, the difference probably > does not justify a great effort, hassle and/or expense. > > I am not a Nak collector. (Rather, I just use the deck > to listen to music...) As such, I own one deck and have > no ambition to own more than one. I just wish this one > deck to be the best I can find/afford. > > As an alternative, I intend to try and upgrade my CR-7a > by replacing some op-amps and some capacitors in the > signal path. When I get around to it and following some > listening sessions, I will post my conclusions. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 11 00:23:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:23:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 II Message-ID: <62.c9a0c50.27dc1177@aol.com> Hi Jon, Would you please contact me offline from NAK Talkers re: your 700? Thanks! -Sam sbarr12393 at aol.com or samuelbarr at hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sun Mar 11 02:22:01 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:22:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay In-Reply-To: <00a701c0a8ea$612fa560$832f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: Thought this may interest you regarding the 1000ZXL on E-bay. In response to feedback, the owner of this deck has posted an ad on E-bay in response to all the discussion about the deck. The ad has pictures of the accessories and receipts for the deck. Because it is just a further explanation of what he had to say about the deck and the ensuing discussions, he put an excessively high price on this ad so now one would bid on it. The fact is, regarding decks that are "Like New", you have to judge them on a case by case basis. I have bought two reel to reels recently, that both claimed to be "like new in the box". One was and I was amazed that there wasn't a scratch on it, all it required were two new pinch rollers. Another one I just purchased, I have to sell for parts. So if someone is interested in this deck, do your homework, although there always is some risk in buying something "pre-owned". E-bay has an Escrow service that allows you to have your payment for an item held until you have received and are sure you are satisfied with a product. Read the details yourself, if you haven't already seen this. Below is the URL and the comments: --Roland ============================================ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220722970 Please look at everything very carefully, think about it, and then do not bid on it, but rather visit my other listing for a Nakamichi 1000ZXL. There I claim that it is new, and also state that I don't remember what came with it, and so on an so forth. ------ Some people accused me of having stolen the unit, and some bidders expressed some reservations. In any case the worst accusations were that I was a thief and dishonest. ------- I told my people to turn everything upside down to find the rest now, rather than later. We found all that we wanted to find. ------ Now here is the documentation that I bought the Nakamichi 1000ZXL in 1982, along with some other things. I even have the cash register receipts for that transaction involving some $5000.00. Then there is the preformed layout which I suspect was in the original carton of the ZXL, and even the original AA batteries are still there. Then there is a RM 300 remote control, the owners manual and still the warranty cards. Along with that is a Nakamichi NR 100 Dolby C noise reduction processor. It has never even been unwrapped. It is a separate item, as is the RM 300. Everything is unused, brand new, mint -- whatever. Never having tried it I don't even know whether everything works. -------- Now the bid price on these accessories is purposely high, so that nobody will buy it, as it all goes with the Nakamichi 1000ZXL that is currently listed under aution:1219929348. If you are the successful bidder for my Nakamichi 1000 you will get these items with it for no additional charge, unless somebody bids for them of course for $5000.00. The reasonable assumption is that the successful bidder on my Nakamichi 1000ZXL will buy not only a whole package including the extras but will buy the only brand new Nakamichi 1000 ZXL that has been offered in the last years or will ever be offered again. ----- This should silence all my critics. The person that so badly maligned me is excluded from this bid, as I will not accept it. It is alright to be skeptical, but not alright to be condemning somebody without foundation and being absolutely foulmouthed, on top of it having the nerve to quote me biblical citations. Every once in a while you find an exception to the adage: It's too good to be true. It is true. Try your hand at auction number 1219929348, a Nakamichi 1000ZXL listed under frog at lvcm, and if you prevail you have bought yourself a complete setup with the all the extras and the Recorder not only being "mint" but "mint" and "factory new". ----Again be careful not to bid on this bid. If you win the accessories, you win nothing but the accessories. You must try to win the bid with the number 1219929348, a Nakamichi computer tape deck, brand new, and the items listed here in this bid will go along with the 1000ZXL for no additional charge. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------As if all this confusion would not be enough I misspelled " Nakamichi " in my listing under cassette decks. You will find my listing under the title " Nakaichi " Maybe some Gremlin that is living in my Nakamichi 1000ZXL is trying to punish me for attempting to sell his home. I will attempt to trap him so he does not become a stowaway. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Mar 11 08:12:02 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:12:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: Message-ID: <3AAB2538.E111DD68@snet.net> Hi Sam, I do use it for both, but mostly playback. I miss the CR-7 too, but not as much as I thought I would. One thing I will say about the 700II is that is one of the most striking Nakamichi's ever made in terms of appearance. While it's a totally subjective matter, I do find this to be one of the most awesomely beautiful decks to come from Nakamichi. It's huge size is a bit of a drawback, but I don't think that anyone who has seen this has been less than blown away by the looks! Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Thank you for the feedback regarding the 700 II. Do you use your 700 II > primarily for playback or recording? Too bad I missed you CR-7... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 11 08:27:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:27:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: <47.88be013.27dc82ef@aol.com> Hi Ed, With Stephen's help I've found a great and well maintained 700 II. I really like the sound of the CR-7 and wanted to know what do you do with you metal tapes that were recorded on other decks? As I understand, the 700 II cannot play or record on metal tapes. I'm looking to find 1 deck that I can use as my "main" deck that will make great recordings. With my current layoff, I don't it's wise to shell out $60 -1,000 for a CR-7 or Dragon at the moment, and my high-end TEAC needs servicing. I also have a BX-150 that also needs servicing and I'm looking to upgrade. I can't believe you're using the 700 as your "main" deck? That is incredible! Do you record much or just listen to tapes you've already made. Thanks again and I really appreciate all of your help and advise. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 11 08:53:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:53:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: PS, How big is it? I couldn't find any dimensions on naks.com. It looks to be roughly twice the size of a normal deck. Although all of my components are black in color, it would "blend" with the rest of my system. I originally wanted (and still do) a Dragon as I have many tapes of cassettes I have were recorded using different types of cassettes on two decks (e.g. my BX-150 and TEAC R-919x). The TEAC far surpasses the Nak BX in playback and recording performance, but after 3 years of inactivity no longer records and the idlers need replacement as it makes noises during rewind and fast forward and the heads need alignment as they have loss some efficiency in the reverse direction. (e.g. 4 motors, 3 heads, Dolby C, HX Pro, auto-calibration, "silent" motors with reduced speed towards end of tape in either direction, 1-second "pause" during reverse recording functions, great meter, "small" IR remote, wood panels, lighted bias controls, and individual left/right bias and level adjustments). It was targeted at those who were interested in purchasing a Dragon. Unfortunately, after 14 years it may be more expensive to repair these minor problems than to purchase a new deck. I liked my BX-150 and always wanted a Dragon. Now, thanks to NAK talkers, there are soooooooo many choices of great NAK decks that sometimes I feel I need 3. (smile) May I impose upon you? Would you mind making a tape (I like all kinds of music) with your 700 II for me? You really like it THAT much huh? You must to sell your pristine CR-7 for it. Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it. I'll keep you posted. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 11 08:56:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:56:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: <8.1163f5d8.27dc89b0@aol.com> Sorry guys, I didn't realize when I hit "reply" that these messages went to the group at large and not Ed. My apologies. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Mar 11 14:21:57 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:21:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FC3@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I would also like to throw in my 2 cents... I own a whole bunch of Naks, namely Dragon, 600MkII, 480Z, 481, BX2, ZX7 and... 700 TriTracer. All decks, except 600, are well calibrated and tuned. When asked which deck is my favorite one, I put the finger on 700TT with no hesitation or afterthought. None of the other machines impresses me that much as 700 does. Maybe I'm just the lucky bastard, who's got this 25 years old monster in such a GENERALLY great condition, I don't know... but it sounds so radically different from anything I've heard! It's recording quality does often remind me the one of a good ol' reel to reel recorder. The sound coming from it is very spacious, crisp and clear. It has a depth I never suspected to be there in the music. Even tapes recorded on other decks (not necessary Naks) do sound MUCH brighter on 700. It just kinda miracle or something... On the other hand, a friend of mine also owns a 700TT, which has nothing really special to the sound, despite being carefully tuned-up. Ain't it strange? Thanks Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question > > Hi Sam, > > I do use it for both, but mostly playback. I miss the CR-7 too, but not as > much as I > thought I would. One thing I will say about the 700II is that is one of > the most > striking Nakamichi's ever made in terms of appearance. While it's a > totally subjective > matter, I do find this to be one of the most awesomely beautiful decks to > come from > Nakamichi. It's huge size is a bit of a drawback, but I don't think that > anyone who > has seen this has been less than blown away by the looks! > > Ed > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Ed, > > > > Thank you for the feedback regarding the 700 II. Do you use your 700 II > > primarily for playback or recording? Too bad I missed you CR-7... > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Mar 11 15:53:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:23:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL Message-ID: <20010311145332.878D91DFB47@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Sun Mar 11 18:15:17 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:15:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 700 Tri Tracer and 700 II Question References: Message-ID: <008001c0aa4e$d9c96780$42021fac@brianm> Sam, Let me throw out some other decks to keep your eye out for whereby you might be able to find a good buy, the 680 series decks are great decks and also the ZX-7 doesn't command the dollars the ZX-9 does and yet is a great deck. I also agree with Kannan that no matter what you buy, plan for sending it in to be tuned up. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Mar 11 18:55:53 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:55:53 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FCB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Well, Stephen... I followed your advices - it had helped to some extent. Now, please, imagine a ZX-7, that has PASSED all the tune-up steps so, that at first look you have just nothing to carp at. Playback frequency response (hereinafter referred to as FR) read with the help of a special FR-tape is just excellent. Recording/Playback FR at -20dB is excellent as well - almost (+/- a couple of dB's) flat in the whole range (10-21kHz). The same FR at 0dB looks pretty mediocre, but IMHO there's nothing really dramatic in it - approx. -8dB rolloff at 11kHz. But... there're few very big "BUTS" (or butts:) to the thing: 1. When not exceeding 0dB recording level the music comes off the tape (ANY tape) very nice, clear and distortion free. However, when going just above the "0" mark, plainly audible DISTORTION rolls in, the music starts croaking and rattling and... you know. 2. Proper "tuning" into different tapes (except those of Type I) is nearly impossible. With Types II & IV at 400Hz one can never "reach" the 0-mark on the meters - -1/-2dB at best (coming off tape, naturally). At 15kHz the situation is significantly better, but making 15kHz read "0" while 400Hz read -2dB is of no good, as in this case we get some "forced" rise at the higher end of the spectrum. To ensure the relative flatness of FR I make both 15kHz and 400Hz read the same level (not necessary 0). 3. The MINIMAL output level I could obtain on the RIGHT channel while using 400Hz Level Tape was 1.1V (instead of 1V). Greater - please, lower - no way! The left channel was OK - could be made both >1V and <1V. For uniformity's sake I finally made both channels read 1.1V. BTW, when I played around a bit and based all the calibrations upon 1.3V output level (instead of 1V prescribed) I could almost easily tune into ANY tape. However, it didn't help solving the issue described in #1 - nothing changed at this point. The problem persisted without getting more or less acute. 4. The worst thing. When recording on a tape (at, say, 0dB) and closing the RIGHT input level control knob completely, there's NO signal present in the RIGHT channel. That's OK. Just as it's supposed to be. However, albeit turning the LEFT input level control knob completely down does remove the left-channel-signal from it, there's still a very strong signal (-10db!!!) there - an "echo" of what's going on in the RIGHT channel! I'm almost convinced that this fault is somehow the reason, why all the right-channel-calibration-knobs on the deck are always at their deadlocks (clockwise). Taking into account all the above said, I tend to think the record head is somewhat DEAD. Or is it something with the electronics? Stephen, the magician, I would really appreciate your insight to the problems above. Sincerely Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:27 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > On Step 2/3, it is strange that your results are not quite right, but what > is of the only real importance is that you can accurately read the source > level vs the pb level on the meters when doing the user bias/level > calibrations. Beyond that, you can be somewhat arbitrary about what the > actual levels are. > On step 7, you should really be looking for 1Vrms at the output jacks. I > am > unsure why they chose to measure at the MS25/26 TP's. I always go by the > actual output level at the jacks, as I also do on step 2/3. > On step 10, I'm puzzled by the lack of a strong signal, assuming you're in > record mode, but in any case this is an adjustment that I have never found > to be needing adjustment. So, don't worry about it! > On the remaining steps, I suspect your results are affected by the step > 2/3 > adjustments. Repeat those steps using output jacks as the test points & > see > if this is cured. It sounds like your head wear has not yet affected > performance, as frequency response is the first thing affected, not actual > rec/pb levels. > And don't forget to replace as many of those bloody orange film caps as > you > can, especially in the tone oscillator & bias oscillator circuits! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 11 19:59:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:59:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FCB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <005901c0aa5d$5c89f780$313442cf@sank1> Are you sure you have the head height on pb & rec heads set exactly right? I believe I remember you saying that you have the track alignment tape. If not, you need to get it to get proper height on the pb head, then maximize both channels on 100Hz at -20dB (my mail program just made that an email address) in recording(which is deviant from the service manual, but works most accurately). It sounds to me like at least the pb head is off height & rec head is at least different in height than the pb head. The former will cause erroneous Pb levels from the 400Hz tape, and the latter will cause the crosstalk you're getting. Plus, it would account for needing to run the R ch rec levels too high & producing early distortion. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > Well, Stephen... I followed your advices - it had helped to some extent. > Now, please, imagine a ZX-7, that has PASSED all the tune-up steps so, that > at first look you have just nothing to carp at. Playback frequency response > (hereinafter referred to as FR) read with the help of a special FR-tape is > just excellent. Recording/Playback FR at -20dB is excellent as well - almost > (+/- a couple of dB's) flat in the whole range (10-21kHz). The same FR at > 0dB looks pretty mediocre, but IMHO there's nothing really dramatic in it - > approx. -8dB rolloff at 11kHz. But... there're few very big "BUTS" (or > butts:) to the thing: > > 1. When not exceeding 0dB recording level the music comes off the tape (ANY > tape) very nice, clear and distortion free. However, when going just above > the "0" mark, plainly audible DISTORTION rolls in, the music starts croaking > and rattling and... you know. > > 2. Proper "tuning" into different tapes (except those of Type I) is nearly > impossible. With Types II & IV at 400Hz one can never "reach" the 0-mark on > the meters - -1/-2dB at best (coming off tape, naturally). At 15kHz the > situation is significantly better, but making 15kHz read "0" while 400Hz > read -2dB is of no good, as in this case we get some "forced" rise at the > higher end of the spectrum. To ensure the relative flatness of FR I make > both 15kHz and 400Hz read the same level (not necessary 0). > > 3. The MINIMAL output level I could obtain on the RIGHT channel while using > 400Hz Level Tape was 1.1V (instead of 1V). Greater - please, lower - no way! > The left channel was OK - could be made both >1V and <1V. For uniformity's > sake I finally made both channels read 1.1V. BTW, when I played around a bit > and based all the calibrations upon 1.3V output level (instead of 1V > prescribed) I could almost easily tune into ANY tape. However, it didn't > help solving the issue described in #1 - nothing changed at this point. The > problem persisted without getting more or less acute. > > 4. The worst thing. When recording on a tape (at, say, 0dB) and closing the > RIGHT input level control knob completely, there's NO signal present in the > RIGHT channel. That's OK. Just as it's supposed to be. However, albeit > turning the LEFT input level control knob completely down does remove the > left-channel-signal from it, there's still a very strong signal (-10db!!!) > there - an "echo" of what's going on in the RIGHT channel! I'm almost > convinced that this fault is somehow the reason, why all the > right-channel-calibration-knobs on the deck are always at their deadlocks > (clockwise). > > Taking into account all the above said, I tend to think the record head is > somewhat DEAD. Or is it something with the electronics? > > Stephen, the magician, I would really appreciate your insight to the > problems above. > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:27 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > > > On Step 2/3, it is strange that your results are not quite right, but what > > is of the only real importance is that you can accurately read the source > > level vs the pb level on the meters when doing the user bias/level > > calibrations. Beyond that, you can be somewhat arbitrary about what the > > actual levels are. > > On step 7, you should really be looking for 1Vrms at the output jacks. I > > am > > unsure why they chose to measure at the MS25/26 TP's. I always go by the > > actual output level at the jacks, as I also do on step 2/3. > > On step 10, I'm puzzled by the lack of a strong signal, assuming you're in > > record mode, but in any case this is an adjustment that I have never found > > to be needing adjustment. So, don't worry about it! > > On the remaining steps, I suspect your results are affected by the step > > 2/3 > > adjustments. Repeat those steps using output jacks as the test points & > > see > > if this is cured. It sounds like your head wear has not yet affected > > performance, as frequency response is the first thing affected, not actual > > rec/pb levels. > > And don't forget to replace as many of those bloody orange film caps as > > you > > can, especially in the tone oscillator & bias oscillator circuits! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 11 21:25:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:25:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR1 Service Manual References: <3AABCD4B.968633E2@chello.at> Message-ID: <006b01c0aa69$65c0dc40$313442cf@sank1> The BX-300 service manual is about 85 percent a replacement for the MR-1 manual. The differences are mainly in the circuit design of the pb & rec amps, in/out balancing amps & external NR loops. Everything else, including adjustments, are identical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR1 Service Manual > Hi! > > Anybody who has a servicemanual for the MR-1? > www.schaltungsdienst.de and others do not have them in stock. > > Is the manual for the BX-300 useful? > > Wolfgang > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 11 21:34:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:34:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 References: Message-ID: <007101c0aa6a$a4fbe200$313442cf@sank1> The original OMS-5/7 lasers I can still get & have one in stock(around $65). However, I have found that in more than half the cases of them being diagnosed as bad, it was merely a matter of improper alignment/adjustment. This is mostly caused by actually following the prescribed alignment procedures! I discovered a very long time ago that you have to do most of the tweaking completely deviant from the manual to get these correct, and have to do it on at least a dozen different discs to get the best median for dealing with disc variances. Due to the time required, I have to charge $120 for tweaking/repairing these units. That labor amount does not increase if the laser needs replacing, since the actual part replacement is quick & painless. The OMS-5AII/7AII, on the other hand, uses a Sony laser(KSS-123A) that I have not been able to find anywhere at all. Fortunately, they fail infrequently enough that the 7AII I have waiting for a laser is the first one I've needed one for. With the above in mind, I would call $50 for a non-working OMS-7 a probably good deal, but a risky deal on a 7AII. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 > I asked the list about cd players....well, I found a place that will sell an > OMS 7 that isn't working for $50. They said the laser is dead, but > everything else works fine. Stephen, can this be repaired easily with an > available part? I believe you said the 7 and 7II used different > lasers....they didn't say which model it was. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Mar 11 23:57:58 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:57:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL References: <20010311145332.878D91DFB47@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003b01c0aa7e$b807e420$7c2f2ac4@coqui.net> Sure Kannan. I know what you mean. I have both: a 1000 ZXL in "like new" condition and the 700 ZXL in mint condition and both , for me, has something that put them apart in the cassette recorder's Hall of Fame. Just look at it. I also have a Dragon, an almost new 700 II, a mint 500, an MR 2, a Tandberg 3014 A, a Revox B 215 all open reel's you can imagine and all of them has its unique characteristics. BUT, those 2 are not probably the best sounding ones but the 1000 ZXL specifically, has always won the hearts of those who doesn't even know shit about this hobby. Just put one anywhere for exhibition and you'll see people's reaction. Nobody can know this better than those who have the opportunity of owning both side by side and experienced our fellows reaction. Again, " what the hell is that " and " it simply sounds and looks amazing " are just but a few comments on those 2 monsters. The auto reverse 505 is another one to consider if you want to impress anyone. As for sound speaking, there's simply not a single one that I can point out as a simple " the best ". I love to record in non Nak's deck, like Revoxes' and Tandberg's. But, for playback I love the Dragon. Anything that you can easily control the playback azymuth to correct alingment disparities among different decks is a good PB deck. So as the CR-7 and ZX 9 etc ... The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > Yeah Carlos > This Deck gets a wow from me ( along with 700ZXL) for its technology not > just the size. They only missed the Direct Drive motor for the capstan. It > is really the pinnacle of Nak efforts in making everything possible that can > go in to a Cassette Deck with their classic mechanism and Head. However > Dragon and CR7 stand apart because of the relative new condition of these > you can get from Used market. ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 12 00:45:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:45:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL References: <20010311145332.878D91DFB47@webmail.vsnl.com> <003b01c0aa7e$b807e420$7c2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00d701c0aa85$510c3260$313442cf@sank1> On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with the CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled motor-driven system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few occasions that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The Dragon does not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built Cassette Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb azimuth control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More ironically, the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which is my personal favorite, over the TD-1200. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > Sure Kannan. I know what you mean. I have both: a 1000 ZXL in "like new" > condition and the 700 ZXL in mint condition and both , for me, has something > that put them apart in the cassette recorder's Hall of Fame. Just look at > it. I also have a Dragon, an almost new 700 II, a mint 500, an MR 2, a > Tandberg 3014 A, a Revox B 215 all open reel's you can imagine and all of > them has its unique characteristics. BUT, those 2 are not probably the best > sounding ones but the 1000 ZXL specifically, has always won the hearts of > those who doesn't even know shit about this hobby. > > Just put one anywhere for exhibition and you'll see people's reaction. > Nobody can know this better than those who have the opportunity of owning > both side by side and experienced our fellows reaction. Again, " what the > hell is that " and " it simply sounds and looks amazing " are just but a few > comments on those 2 monsters. The auto reverse 505 is another one to > consider if you want to impress anyone. > > As for sound speaking, there's simply not a single one that I can point out > as a simple " the best ". I love to record in non Nak's deck, like Revoxes' > and Tandberg's. But, for playback I love the Dragon. Anything that you can > easily control the playback azymuth to correct alingment disparities among > different decks is a good PB deck. So as the CR-7 and ZX 9 etc ... > > The Tape Man > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > > Yeah Carlos > > This Deck gets a wow from me ( along with 700ZXL) for its technology not > > just the size. They only missed the Direct Drive motor for the capstan. It > > is really the pinnacle of Nak efforts in making everything possible that > can > > go in to a Cassette Deck with their classic mechanism and Head. However > > Dragon and CR7 stand apart because of the relative new condition of these > > you can get from Used market. ... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Message-ID: <9f.125dbe16.27dd8971@aol.com> Have you seen this? -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221277719 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Mar 12 04:40:45 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:10:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <20010312034045.89E041DFB73@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Mar 12 04:55:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:25:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 12 05:55:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:55:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is nearly the same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically coupled knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented resistance behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. Too bad neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap motor system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On the CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't evaluated whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Stephen > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas Cassette Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear to accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear steps to get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with the > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled motor-driven > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few occasions > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The Dragon does > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built Cassette > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb azimuth > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More ironically, > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which is my > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Mar 12 15:46:15 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:46:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FCE@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Kannan, you're welcome every time! As to your comments, I have to once again emphasize, that I own ALL the necessary PROFESSIONAL tapes, required for proper heads positioning on a cassette deck. Moreover, working on a deck (especially on a Nak), I always devote a special time to this issue. So, in my case the heads are exactly there, where they are supposed to be. Furthermore, assumed there is some misalignment (in the part of heads hight) there, I would never be able to obtain low output voltages in BOTH channels when using 1kHz Track Alignment Tape. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > Nick, > Sorry to intervene your mail specifically to Stephen, > You need track alignment tape and 400Hz level tape ( of Nakamichi) for > play back adjustment positively. Or just get the play head at the center > by measurement and spacer between one half empty Cassette shell which is > nowhere near the accuracy of track alignment tape. Even tilt adjustment is > not so critical as this track alignment tape! > I have not found even one Nak so far having problem with either recording > or playback at extraordinary high signal level on them! Record head height > adjustment may be required if play back alignment with Track alignment and > level 400Hz tape are OK and Recording is not coming up to speck. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > > >Well, Stephen... I followed your advices - it had helped to some extent. > >Now, please, imagine a ZX-7, that has PASSED all the tune-up steps so, > that > >at first look you have just nothing to carp at. Playback frequency > response > >(hereinafter referred to as FR) read with the help of a special FR-tape > is > >just excellent. Recording/Playback FR at -20dB is excellent as well - > almost > >(+/- a couple of dB's) flat in the whole range (10-21kHz). The same FR at > >0dB looks pretty mediocre, but IMHO there's nothing really dramatic in it > - > >approx. -8dB rolloff at 11kHz. But... there're few very big "BUTS" (or > >butts:) to the thing: > > > >1. When not exceeding 0dB recording level the music comes off the tape > (ANY > >tape) very nice, clear and distortion free. However, when going just > above > >the "0" mark, plainly audible DISTORTION rolls in, the music starts > croaking > >and rattling and... you know. > > > >2. Proper "tuning" into different tapes (except those of Type I) is > nearly > >impossible. With Types II & IV at 400Hz one can never "reach" the 0-mark > on > >the meters - -1/-2dB at best (coming off tape, naturally). At 15kHz the > >situation is significantly better, but making 15kHz read "0" while 400Hz > >read -2dB is of no good, as in this case we get some "forced" rise at the > >higher end of the spectrum. To ensure the relative flatness of FR I make > >both 15kHz and 400Hz read the same level (not necessary 0). > > > >3. The MINIMAL output level I could obtain on the RIGHT channel while > using > >400Hz Level Tape was 1.1V (instead of 1V). Greater - please, lower - no > way! > >The left channel was OK - could be made both >1V and <1V. For > uniformity's > >sake I finally made both channels read 1.1V. BTW, when I played around a > bit > >and based all the calibrations upon 1.3V output level (instead of 1V > >prescribed) I could almost easily tune into ANY tape. However, it didn't > >help solving the issue described in #1 - nothing changed at this point. > The > >problem persisted without getting more or less acute. > > > >4. The worst thing. When recording on a tape (at, say, 0dB) and closing > the > >RIGHT input level control knob completely, there's NO signal present in > the > >RIGHT channel. That's OK. Just as it's supposed to be. However, albeit > >turning the LEFT input level control knob completely down does remove the > >left-channel-signal from it, there's still a very strong signal > (-10db!!!) > >there - an "echo" of what's going on in the RIGHT channel! I'm almost > >convinced that this fault is somehow the reason, why all the > >right-channel-calibration-knobs on the deck are always at their deadlocks > >(clockwise). > > > >Taking into account all the above said, I tend to think the record head > is > >somewhat DEAD. Or is it something with the electronics? > > > >Stephen, the magician, I would really appreciate your insight to the > >problems above. > > > >Sincerely > > > >Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 12 16:42:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> Stephen, I just took a cursory look at the schematic of the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control function is stepped. As far as I can see, control is achieved through the processor and DAC. There is quantization stepping, of course... The data seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is nearly the > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically coupled > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented resistance > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. Too bad > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap motor > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On the > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't evaluated > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Stephen > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas Cassette > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear to > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear steps to > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with the > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled motor-driven > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > occasions > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The Dragon > does > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built > Cassette > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb azimuth > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > ironically, > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which is > my > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 12 17:35:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:35:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the steps. This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps are pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth control with your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or 3 steps per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per indicator step on the display. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Stephen, > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is nearly the > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically coupled > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented resistance > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. Too bad > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap motor > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On the > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't evaluated > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas Cassette > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear to > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear steps to > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with the > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled motor-driven > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > > occasions > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The Dragon > > does > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built > > Cassette > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb azimuth > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > > ironically, > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which is > > my > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Mon Mar 12 21:21:10 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:21:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrades revisited. Message-ID: <3AAD2FB6.950DFA91@home.com> Stephen, I know we have been through the upgrade question before, but I am curious as to which mods you specifically recommend.I will be doing this on a CR-3A.I am definitely not a tech, but can handle a soldering iron with authority. I guess I would be looking for opamp and cap recommendations, especially particular types to use. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Rick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 13 00:04:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:04:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrades revisited. References: <3AAD2FB6.950DFA91@home.com> Message-ID: <020201c0ab48$c3a465e0$313442cf@sank1> A CR-3 is a model I hadn't considered a mod candidate previously. Not one that would quite justify the expense of professional mod work, but it is a competent deck to consider mod'ing as a "DIY", assuming sufficient technical ability. Replacing the opamp IC's for the pb & rec amps & input/output line amps is always a positive. My favorite is the Analog Devices OP275. Then, I'd say replace bridge rectifier diode unit that supplies the + & - 12v supply rails with Harris HR4120 soft recovery epitaxial discrete diodes(4 single diodes as opposed to the 4 diode unit). Next, get a bunch of small value, say 0.0022ufd RelCap RT polystyrene film caps & parallel one with every electrolytic capacitor you can identify as being either in the direct signal path or on the power supply rails to the dolby & amp IC's. By this point, you'll likely be spending about as much as you'll want to, and have done 70-80 percent of what's possible to get sonic improvement from. All of these parts can be purchased from Michael Percy Audio, http://www.bainbridge.net/percyaudio , who is my favorite high-end parts supplier. You have to download his catalog in .pdf format, then fax or email the order. The OP275's can be had cheaper from Newark & a couple of other places, but the small number you'll need wouldn't make the difference amount to much. On the caps & diodes, he's the cheapest I have found. His catalog is also rather educational. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Nak Talk" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Upgrades revisited. > Stephen, I know we have been through the upgrade > question before, but I am curious as to which mods > you specifically recommend.I will be doing this on > a CR-3A.I am definitely not a tech, but can handle > a soldering iron with authority. I guess I would > be looking for opamp and cap recommendations, > especially particular types to use. > Any help is appreciated. > Thanks > Rick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Tue Mar 13 01:00:25 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:00:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrades revisited. References: <3AAD2FB6.950DFA91@home.com> <020201c0ab48$c3a465e0$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AAD6319.7E21253@home.com> Thanks Stephen. Will give it a try and post any results. Rick Stephen Sank wrote: > A CR-3 is a model I hadn't considered a mod candidate previously. Not one > that would quite justify the expense of professional mod work, but it is a > competent deck to consider mod'ing as a "DIY", assuming sufficient technical > ability. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 13 04:31:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <20010313033154.BC5561DFC12@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Mar 13 14:13:36 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:13:36 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FD4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> You just took the thoughts of my mind, Kannan. That was exactly what I supected as well - something wrong with the microelement base. Unfortunately, I do not have great experince in finding faulty elements along the signal path. But I'll give it a try... Thanks greatly Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > Nick > Nice you have the tools. I had a freakish problem of bad recording on > BX300 after its Bias trap on record amp had very high leakage on one > channel. I had to replace the Cap parellel to th ecoil. Check whether bias > leakage in record amp circuit. If the metering calibration and play back > setup are right and both are fine, then your problems could be in record > amp/ bias oscillator and finally the head? Hope your head is fine ( > generally nothing happens unless somebody uses brute force techniques on > them. > > Also look out for any component ( all along the record circuit/ play > circuit boards + wires connecting between different switches and circuits) > that had come off the soldering point. I found such faults cause strange > behaviour more than the component themselves. I had many such things as > the machine is old and wires have aged and can come off during our efforts > in opening / closing of boards > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:59 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up > > > >Kannan, you're welcome every time! > > > >As to your comments, I have to once again emphasize, that I own ALL the > >necessary PROFESSIONAL tapes, required for proper heads positioning on a > >cassette deck. Moreover, working on a deck (especially on a Nak), I > always > >devote a special time to this issue. So, in my case the heads are exactly > >there, where they are supposed to be. Furthermore, assumed there is some > >misalignment (in the part of heads hight) there, I would never be able to > >obtain low output voltages in BOTH channels when using 1kHz Track > Alignment > >Tape. > > > >Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 13 14:44:52 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:14:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 tune-up Message-ID: <20010313134452.055E91DFC8A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From eslabs at snet.net Wed Mar 14 02:07:43 2001 From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:07:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Message-ID: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Stephen, Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 I have tried to be nice to you. I have stayed out of your discussions. I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, I gave you every reason to ignore me. Why would you want to antagonize me? Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Mar 14 04:37:49 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:37:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Message-ID: <3AAEE78C.572540C6@snet.net> All I know is that I bought 5 of these from Jeff for something like $8 each before discovering a matching part through MCM at $.49 each... now that's something to have a problem about! Of course it was authentic Nakamichi rubber which accounted for the cost. Jeffrey Galin wrote: > Stephen, > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > I have tried to be nice to you. > I have stayed out of your discussions. > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > Why would you want to antagonize me? > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeffrey Galin wrote: Stephen, Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 I have tried to be nice to you. I have stayed out of your discussions. I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, I gave you every reason to ignore me. Why would you want to antagonize me? Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > All I know is that I bought 5 of these from Jeff for > something like $8 each before discovering a matching part > through MCM at $.49 each... now that's something to have a > problem about! Of course it was authentic Nakamichi rubber > which accounted for the cost. > > Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > Stephen, > > > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.d > > l?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you > > think that your hurting me? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ > > BayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > > > I have tried to be nice to you. > > I have stayed out of your discussions. > > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > > Why would you want to antagonize me? > > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > ========--------------------------------------------- > > --------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eslabs at snet.net Wed Mar 14 05:48:39 2001 From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:48:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3AAEE78C.572540C6@snet.net> <000f01c0ac48$8fc44000$82232ac4@coqui.net> <3AAEF5BE.E31F1D63@snet.net> Message-ID: <001001c0ac42$0ccdb240$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Look guys... I didn't push the button. I didn't ask for it. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Indeed you are right Carlos... we should all try hard to live and let live as they say! Carlos wrote: > Are we gonna start a cold war again ? Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > All I know is that I bought 5 of these from Jeff for > something like $8 each before discovering a matching part > through MCM at $.49 each... now that's something to have a > problem about! Of course it was authentic Nakamichi rubber > which accounted for the cost. > > Jeffrey Galin wrote: > > > Stephen, > > > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.d > > l?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you > > think that your hurting me? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ > > BayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > > > I have tried to be nice to you. > > I have stayed out of your discussions. > > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > > Why would you want to antagonize me? > > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > ========--------------------------------------------- > > --------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 14 05:59:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:59:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Message-ID: <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between respecting professional boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the best interests of fellow Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who crossed the line of business ethics & not I. Had you been selling OC80635A idler wheel assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last time I checked, I would not have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, although I would have nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing exactly how much unwitting bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had no choice but to act. Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an intention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Galin" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > Stephen, > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > I have tried to be nice to you. > I have stayed out of your discussions. > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > Why would you want to antagonize me? > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 09:32:10 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (salim marzuki) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:32:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010314083210.60365.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Stephen, First of all I apologise for my comment, as I have no intention to take side or offend anybody here, especially you - as you give great help to me with all my Nak and other problems. Most of us agreed that you are a gift to nakfellows ! IMHO, Jeff does take some risk with his auctions. If his current auction ends at 25 cents then he should be in a loss - if that genuine 'Nak rubber' costed him $6.25. Would be better had Jeff stated "retailed for $10 with 2 months wait". :-) Best regards, Salim SM PS: Damn I know I shouldn't have gotten into this, still I prefer to see the Titans 'shake hands' ... Hope I won't have to regret this email. --- Stephen Sank wrote: > I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between > respecting professional > boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the > best interests of fellow > Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who > crossed the line of > business ethics & not I. Had you been selling > OC80635A idler wheel > assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last > time I checked, I would not > have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, > although I would have > nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing > exactly how much unwitting > bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had > no choice but to act. > Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an > intention. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eslabs at snet.net Wed Mar 14 14:58:52 2001 From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:58:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c0ac8e$e99407a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Stephen, You don't expect anyone to believe your "moral obligation " story. Your motives were obvious. When they were still available from Nakamichi, they sold retail for $10.57. I had a minimum bid of $.25 for this auction. I do accept your apology so please delete your auction. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between respecting professional boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the best interests of fellow Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who crossed the line of business ethics & not I. Had you been selling OC80635A idler wheel assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last time I checked, I would not have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, although I would have nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing exactly how much unwitting bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had no choice but to act. Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an intention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Galin" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > Stephen, > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > I have tried to be nice to you. > I have stayed out of your discussions. > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > Why would you want to antagonize me? > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Mar 14 15:21:00 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:21:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi mobile units Message-ID: I'd like to use this opportunity to take our minds off the subject of idler replacements and ask for assistance/comments/advice about Nakamichi in-car radio-cassette decks. I would like to buy such a unit for myself, the only requirement being a detachable face panel. I know this narrows down my choices to a considerable extent, which in a way is good -:). A friend of mine will be travelling to the US in a couple of weeks, staying in Chicago and possibly Houston. I would prefer a new unit, unless someone on the list has something exceptional to offer. I guess this brings me to a choice between the 35z and the 45z - at least that's what I think can be bought new at present, pls correct me if I'm wrong. I would appreciate any comments on performance, price and availability especially in the Chicago and/or Houston area. As I said, I'm willing to consider any offers for other models, as long as they have a detachable front panel - unfortunately there are junkies looking for a quick hit all over the world. Feel free to contact me off-list if you think we'll get into too much detail and bore the group. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 14 16:55:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:55:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, that greatly limited available RAM space. This would also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the deck to remember counter position and several settings after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was by no means a cheap component. Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is next to impossible, practically speaking, because it would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is already far better than what is needed for adjustment by ear. Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an interesting diversion. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the steps. > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps are > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth control with > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or 3 steps > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per indicator > step on the display. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Stephen, > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is nearly > the > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically coupled > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented resistance > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. Too > bad > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap > motor > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On the > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't > evaluated > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas > Cassette > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear to > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear steps > to > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with > the > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > motor-driven > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > > > occasions > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The > Dragon > > > does > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built > > > Cassette > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb > azimuth > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > > > ironically, > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which > is > > > my > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 14 17:06:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:06:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> <002301c0ac8e$e99407a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> Message-ID: <01b201c0aca0$bb86eaa0$263442cf@sank1> Sorry, Mr. Galin, but your auction specifically says "idler tire", not "idler assembly nor "idler wheel", and neither does it say "genuine Nakamichi part". This makes it clear that it is NOT the $6.25 cost OC80635A idler ass'y, but a replacement tire from an OEM source, since Nak has never sold the tire separately. If you are, in fact, selling the Nak-sourced idler wheel assemblies, then amend your auction & I will retract mine. Until such time, the auction stays. Had my motivation been self-serving, I would not have risked giving people the bad impression that my auction may have made to some. I am just doing what I can to inform people that they have an alternative to paying your absurd prices for parts & service. Between the $125 quote for a RAM chip(which was not disclosed as being a "pull" from a board, making it effectively "used") that I was able to purchase OEM for $2.30, and a client's showing me your $750 estimate to "overhaul" a 700-II that had PERFECT heads, perfect bearings & perfect motors & otherwise near mint inside, added to the numerous reports from Nak owners of similar quotes & charges, I cannot, in good conscience, sit by and let Nak owners bend over & take it, when there is ever anything I can effectively do about it. I know that my ebay listing & my words here may make me look like a jerk to some people, but I am so appalled by your activities that I am compelled to take that risk. Of all the industry people I have encountered in the last 25 years, you have the distinction of being the only one able to evoke such a response from me. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Galin" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > Stephen, > > You don't expect anyone to believe your "moral obligation " story. > Your motives were obvious. > > When they were still available from Nakamichi, they sold retail for $10.57. > I had a minimum bid of $.25 for this auction. > > I do accept your apology so please delete your auction. > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between respecting professional > boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the best interests of fellow > Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who crossed the line of > business ethics & not I. Had you been selling OC80635A idler wheel > assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last time I checked, I would not > have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, although I would have > nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing exactly how much unwitting > bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had no choice but to act. > Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an intention. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Galin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > Stephen, > > > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your > hurting me? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > > > I have tried to be nice to you. > > I have stayed out of your discussions. > > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > > Why would you want to antagonize me? > > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 14 17:37:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:37:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> I have actually had tapes that were noticeably rolled off due to the azimuth peak being between steps. Otherwise, it might never have occurred to me to see it as an inadequacy. Just some quick thinking about it says to me that it may be possible to alter the feedback potentiometer circuit to cause the controller to move the motor in finer steps. This would sacrifice only the total range of motion, which is way more than enough already, without affecting calibration function or anything else I can think of. I'll have a look at the schematics sometime today. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There > is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, > there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means > azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). > > To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the > azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of > head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a > bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's > difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this > corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to > azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, > worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. > > I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of > audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* > significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such > a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this > choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they > were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, > that greatly limited available RAM space. This would > also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the > deck to remember counter position and several settings > after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was > by no means a cheap component. > > Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is > next to impossible, practically speaking, because it > would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount > (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual > azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect > the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and > build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that > this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is > already far better than what is needed for adjustment > by ear. > > Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an > interesting diversion. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the steps. > > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps are > > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth control with > > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or 3 steps > > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per indicator > > step on the display. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is nearly > > the > > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically coupled > > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented resistance > > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. Too > > bad > > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap > > motor > > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On the > > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't > > evaluated > > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas > > Cassette > > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear to > > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear steps > > to > > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw with > > the > > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > > motor-driven > > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > > > > occasions > > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The > > Dragon > > > > does > > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well built > > > > Cassette > > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb > > azimuth > > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > > > > ironically, > > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, which > > is > > > > my > > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 14 18:02:35 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:02:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> <002301c0ac8e$e99407a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <01b201c0aca0$bb86eaa0$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AAFA3E7.C1FA6A89@pacbell.net> Dear fellow Nakers, here's my 2 cents concerning the "cold war" Sank v Galin. I am in full support of Stephen's position taken regarding gouging of Nak enthusiasts. In addition to his watchdog approach to Naktalk, he also gives "tons" of free advice to the group. He is essentially empowering the group to repair/tweak their Naks on their own. The ability to correct problems without the risk of shipping delicate equipment is priceless. Furthermore, the satisfaction a hobbyist gets from doing their own "fix/tweak" speaks for itself. Finally, The quality and price of a Sank fix on Nak, Mac and tandberg I have ever received has been exceptional! Sincerely, Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > Sorry, Mr. Galin, but your auction specifically says "idler tire", not > "idler assembly nor "idler wheel", and neither does it say "genuine > Nakamichi part". This makes it clear that it is NOT the $6.25 cost OC80635A > idler ass'y, but a replacement tire from an OEM source, since Nak has never > sold the tire separately. If you are, in fact, selling the Nak-sourced > idler wheel assemblies, then amend your auction & I will retract mine. > Until such time, the auction stays. > Had my motivation been self-serving, I would not have risked giving people > the bad impression that my auction may have made to some. I am just doing > what I can to inform people that they have an alternative to paying your > absurd prices for parts & service. Between the $125 quote for a RAM > chip(which was not disclosed as being a "pull" from a board, making it > effectively "used") that I was able to purchase OEM for $2.30, and a > client's showing me your $750 estimate to "overhaul" a 700-II that had > PERFECT heads, perfect bearings & perfect motors & otherwise near mint > inside, added to the numerous reports from Nak owners of similar quotes & > charges, I cannot, in good conscience, sit by and let Nak owners bend over & > take it, when there is ever anything I can effectively do about it. > I know that my ebay listing & my words here may make me look like a jerk to > some people, but I am so appalled by your activities that I am compelled to > take that risk. Of all the industry people I have encountered in the last > 25 years, you have the distinction of being the only one able to evoke such > a response from me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Galin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > Stephen, > > > > You don't expect anyone to believe your "moral obligation " story. > > Your motives were obvious. > > > > When they were still available from Nakamichi, they sold retail for > $10.57. > > I had a minimum bid of $.25 for this auction. > > > > I do accept your apology so please delete your auction. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between respecting professional > > boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the best interests of > fellow > > Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who crossed the line of > > business ethics & not I. Had you been selling OC80635A idler wheel > > assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last time I checked, I would > not > > have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, although I would have > > nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing exactly how much unwitting > > bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had no choice but to act. > > Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an intention. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeffrey Galin" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > > > > > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your > > hurting me? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > > > > > I have tried to be nice to you. > > > I have stayed out of your discussions. > > > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > > > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > > > Why would you want to antagonize me? > > > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 14 18:27:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:27:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 if anyone is interested... Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221913878 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 14 19:00:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:00:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> I never thought the total range was more than enough. If range may be sacrificed, than the resolution can be increased by the same amount. Seems to me, that should be an extremely simple thing to do (modify a single resistor). Of course, one has to be careful and make sure the circuit remains stable. I am compiling a list of things to do to improve my CR-7. If you feel that adjustment range man be safely reduced (and by how much), I'll really appreciate the information (as, I think, will other CR-7 owners). Another item that I think can improve the CR-7 is decreasing the output impedance. Currently it is 2.2K (which is the 'official' spec) *provided* the output level control is turned all the way up. It's even higher when the control is turned down. In my case, I need a 12ft. cable from deck to preamp. Even though I use a low capacitance cable, I know that I have high-end roll off, which is probably why, for most cassettes, manual azimuth adjustment in PB has a very subtle effect (and consequently, it feels like the range is already too limited). So, one of the items on my list is to add an output amp that will reduce output impedance to about 50 ohms, plus provide about 6db gain. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I have actually had tapes that were noticeably rolled off due to the azimuth > peak being between steps. Otherwise, it might never have occurred to me to > see it as an inadequacy. Just some quick thinking about it says to me that > it may be possible to alter the feedback potentiometer circuit to cause the > controller to move the motor in finer steps. This would sacrifice only the > total range of motion, which is way more than enough already, without > affecting calibration function or anything else I can think of. I'll have a > look at the schematics sometime today. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There > > is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, > > there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means > > azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). > > > > To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the > > azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of > > head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a > > bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's > > difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this > > corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to > > azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, > > worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. > > > > I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of > > audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* > > significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such > > a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this > > choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they > > were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, > > that greatly limited available RAM space. This would > > also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the > > deck to remember counter position and several settings > > after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was > > by no means a cheap component. > > > > Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is > > next to impossible, practically speaking, because it > > would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount > > (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual > > azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect > > the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and > > build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that > > this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is > > already far better than what is needed for adjustment > > by ear. > > > > Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an > > interesting diversion. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the > steps. > > > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps are > > > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth control > with > > > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or 3 > steps > > > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per > indicator > > > step on the display. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is > nearly > > > the > > > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically > coupled > > > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented > resistance > > > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. > Too > > > bad > > > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap > > > motor > > > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On > the > > > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't > > > evaluated > > > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas > > > Cassette > > > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear > to > > > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > > > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear > steps > > > to > > > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > > > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on > 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw > with > > > the > > > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > > > motor-driven > > > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > > > > > occasions > > > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The > > > Dragon > > > > > does > > > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well > built > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb > > > azimuth > > > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > > > > > ironically, > > > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, > which > > > is > > > > > my > > > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autofile at TheAutophile.com Wed Mar 14 17:19:28 2001 From: autofile at TheAutophile.com (Peter Lufrano) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:19:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi mobile units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I'd like to use this opportunity to take our minds off the subject >of idler replacements and ask for assistance/comments/advice about >Nakamichi in-car radio-cassette decks. > >I would like to buy such a unit for myself, the only requirement >being a detachable face panel. I know this narrows down my choices >to a considerable extent, which in a way is good -:). > >A friend of mine will be travelling to the US in a couple of weeks, >staying in Chicago and possibly Houston. I would prefer a new unit, >unless someone on the list has something exceptional to offer. I >guess this brings me to a choice between the 35z and the 45z - at >least that's what I think can be bought new at present, pls correct >me if I'm wrong. I would appreciate any comments on performance, >price and availability especially in the Chicago and/or Houston area. > >As I said, I'm willing to consider any offers for other models, as >long as they have a detachable front panel - unfortunately there are >junkies looking for a quick hit all over the world. > >Feel free to contact me off-list if you think we'll get into too >much detail and bore the group. > >Thanks, > >George George, The TD45z is a far superior unit. Better preamplifier section, better performance over all....... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 15 01:41:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:41:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> I think the range could be reduced by as much as half without sacrificing any bad-tape-playing ability. But perhaps I am used to tapes from reasonably unmolested machines. As for the output impedance, I think simply changing IC308 to an OP275 should reduce it pretty darned well. The datasheet does not give an output Z spec, but it is rated to swing peak to peak voltage within 2v of each supply rail into 600ohms without any difficulty, so it has to be quite a lot lower than the NJM082(TL082) el-cheapo opamp. Can't imagine you'd have any problems after that, unless your cables are terrible. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > I never thought the total range was more than > enough. If range may be sacrificed, than the > resolution can be increased by the same amount. > Seems to me, that should be an extremely simple > thing to do (modify a single resistor). Of > course, one has to be careful and make sure the > circuit remains stable. > > I am compiling a list of things to do to improve > my CR-7. If you feel that adjustment range man be > safely reduced (and by how much), I'll really > appreciate the information (as, I think, will > other CR-7 owners). > > Another item that I think can improve the CR-7 > is decreasing the output impedance. Currently it > is 2.2K (which is the 'official' spec) *provided* > the output level control is turned all the way up. > It's even higher when the control is turned down. > In my case, I need a 12ft. cable from deck to > preamp. Even though I use a low capacitance cable, > I know that I have high-end roll off, which is > probably why, for most cassettes, manual azimuth > adjustment in PB has a very subtle effect (and > consequently, it feels like the range is already > too limited). So, one of the items on my list is > to add an output amp that will reduce output > impedance to about 50 ohms, plus provide about > 6db gain. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I have actually had tapes that were noticeably rolled off due to the azimuth > > peak being between steps. Otherwise, it might never have occurred to me to > > see it as an inadequacy. Just some quick thinking about it says to me that > > it may be possible to alter the feedback potentiometer circuit to cause the > > controller to move the motor in finer steps. This would sacrifice only the > > total range of motion, which is way more than enough already, without > > affecting calibration function or anything else I can think of. I'll have a > > look at the schematics sometime today. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There > > > is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, > > > there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means > > > azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). > > > > > > To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the > > > azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of > > > head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a > > > bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's > > > difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this > > > corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to > > > azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, > > > worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. > > > > > > I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of > > > audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* > > > significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such > > > a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this > > > choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they > > > were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, > > > that greatly limited available RAM space. This would > > > also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the > > > deck to remember counter position and several settings > > > after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was > > > by no means a cheap component. > > > > > > Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is > > > next to impossible, practically speaking, because it > > > would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount > > > (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual > > > azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect > > > the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and > > > build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that > > > this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is > > > already far better than what is needed for adjustment > > > by ear. > > > > > > Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an > > > interesting diversion. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the > > steps. > > > > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps are > > > > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth control > > with > > > > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or 3 > > steps > > > > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per > > indicator > > > > step on the display. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > > > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > > > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > > > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > > > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > > > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > > > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > > > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is > > nearly > > > > the > > > > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically > > coupled > > > > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented > > resistance > > > > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very fine. > > Too > > > > bad > > > > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive cap > > > > motor > > > > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. On > > the > > > > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. Haven't > > > > evaluated > > > > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) whereas > > > > Cassette > > > > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped gear > > to > > > > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is a > > > > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More gear > > steps > > > > to > > > > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve fine > > > > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on > > 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > > > > motor-driven > > > > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a few > > > > > > occasions > > > > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. The > > > > Dragon > > > > > > does > > > > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well > > built > > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled pb > > > > azimuth > > > > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. More > > > > > > ironically, > > > > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car deck, > > which > > > > is > > > > > > my > > > > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 15 01:55:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:55:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <53.39874d4.27e16ce7@aol.com> Hi Stephen, Is this "change" recommended for all CR-7's? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 15 02:25:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:25:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <53.39874d4.27e16ce7@aol.com> Message-ID: <02b001c0acee$dc60cfe0$263442cf@sank1> This change is recommended for ALL Nak decks that use a 4558 or TL072 type dual op amp output IC. And for the pb amps, rec amps, input line amps, etc. Never had anything but positive results in anything I've used an OP275 in. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Hi Stephen, > > Is this "change" recommended for all CR-7's? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 15 03:03:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:03:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I think the range could be reduced by as much as half > without sacrificing any bad-tape-playing ability. In that case, changing R831 from 100K to 50K should do the trick. This will not require any other re-adjustment. If/when you decide to try this, would you please post the results. > But perhaps I am used to tapes from reasonably unmolested > machines. As for the output impedance, I think simply > changing IC308 to an OP275 should reduce it pretty darned > well. I agree replacing IC308 is an excellent idea, but it won't reduce the output impedance. That's because the amp is followed by a 2.2K series resistor, plus the top part of the output level control pot. What is needed is a buffer *following* the control pot. BTW, browsing through op-amps specs, I came across a Burr Brown FET input op-amp, OPA2134PA, that (going by specs alone) seems like an excellent replacement for op-amps in audio applications: Z(i)=10^13 ohms. Z(0)=0.01 ohms, output limited internally at 35mA. Noise density=8nV/sqr(Hz). Distortion=0.00008% (that's 4 zeros before the 8...) Slew rate=20V/us (15V/uS min). Stable, all the way down to unity gain. Have you had any experience with it? > The datasheet does not give an output Z spec, but it > is rated to swing peak to peak voltage within 2v of > each supply rail into 600ohms without any difficulty, > so it has to be quite a lot lower than the NJM082(TL082) > el-cheapo opamp. Can't imagine you'd have any problems > after that, unless your cables are terrible. My cable is pretty good -- it's five RG-174 coaxes in a heavy overall shield and jacket (made for RGB plus L/R audio). The rest of my system is interconnected with high-performance RG-59 (16.5 pF/ft), four runs of which will be kinda too thick. I think/hope the current cable will do fine, once the deck output is properly buffered. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > I never thought the total range was more than > > enough. If range may be sacrificed, than the > > resolution can be increased by the same amount. > > Seems to me, that should be an extremely simple > > thing to do (modify a single resistor). Of > > course, one has to be careful and make sure the > > circuit remains stable. > > > > I am compiling a list of things to do to improve > > my CR-7. If you feel that adjustment range man be > > safely reduced (and by how much), I'll really > > appreciate the information (as, I think, will > > other CR-7 owners). > > > > Another item that I think can improve the CR-7 > > is decreasing the output impedance. Currently it > > is 2.2K (which is the 'official' spec) *provided* > > the output level control is turned all the way up. > > It's even higher when the control is turned down. > > In my case, I need a 12ft. cable from deck to > > preamp. Even though I use a low capacitance cable, > > I know that I have high-end roll off, which is > > probably why, for most cassettes, manual azimuth > > adjustment in PB has a very subtle effect (and > > consequently, it feels like the range is already > > too limited). So, one of the items on my list is > > to add an output amp that will reduce output > > impedance to about 50 ohms, plus provide about > > 6db gain. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I have actually had tapes that were noticeably rolled off due to the > azimuth > > > peak being between steps. Otherwise, it might never have occurred to me > to > > > see it as an inadequacy. Just some quick thinking about it says to me > that > > > it may be possible to alter the feedback potentiometer circuit to cause > the > > > controller to move the motor in finer steps. This would sacrifice only > the > > > total range of motion, which is way more than enough already, without > > > affecting calibration function or anything else I can think of. I'll > have a > > > look at the schematics sometime today. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There > > > > is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, > > > > there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means > > > > azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). > > > > > > > > To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the > > > > azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of > > > > head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a > > > > bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's > > > > difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this > > > > corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to > > > > azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, > > > > worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of > > > > audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* > > > > significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such > > > > a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this > > > > choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they > > > > were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, > > > > that greatly limited available RAM space. This would > > > > also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the > > > > deck to remember counter position and several settings > > > > after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was > > > > by no means a cheap component. > > > > > > > > Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is > > > > next to impossible, practically speaking, because it > > > > would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount > > > > (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual > > > > azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect > > > > the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and > > > > build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that > > > > this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is > > > > already far better than what is needed for adjustment > > > > by ear. > > > > > > > > Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an > > > > interesting diversion. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the > > > steps. > > > > > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps > are > > > > > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth > control > > > with > > > > > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or > 3 > > > steps > > > > > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per > > > indicator > > > > > step on the display. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > > > > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > > > > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > > > > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > > > > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > > > > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > > > > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > > > > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is > > > nearly > > > > > the > > > > > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically > > > coupled > > > > > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented > > > resistance > > > > > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very > fine. > > > Too > > > > > bad > > > > > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive > cap > > > > > motor > > > > > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. > On > > > the > > > > > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. > Haven't > > > > > evaluated > > > > > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) > whereas > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped > gear > > > to > > > > > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is > a > > > > > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More > gear > > > steps > > > > > to > > > > > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve > fine > > > > > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on > > > 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > > > > > motor-driven > > > > > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a > few > > > > > > > occasions > > > > > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. > The > > > > > Dragon > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well > > > built > > > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled > pb > > > > > azimuth > > > > > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. > More > > > > > > > ironically, > > > > > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car > deck, > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Mar 15 04:38:32 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:38:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3AAEE78C.572540C6@snet.net> <000f01c0ac48$8fc44000$82232ac4@coqui.net> <3AAEF5BE.E31F1D63@snet.net> Message-ID: <002401c0ad01$6940c980$8c232ac4@coqui.net> Ha, Ha ! ED, you are 100% right but I have to confess: I'm beginning to enjoy the war !!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Indeed you are right Carlos... we should all try hard to live and let live as they say! Carlos wrote: Are we gonna start a cold war again ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank All I know is that I bought 5 of these from Jeff for something like $8 each before discovering a matching part through MCM at $.49 each... now that's something to have a problem about! Of course it was authentic Nakamichi rubber which accounted for the cost. Jeffrey Galin wrote: Stephen, Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your hurting me? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 I have tried to be nice to you. I have stayed out of your discussions. I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, I gave you every reason to ignore me. Why would you want to antagonize me? Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Mar 15 04:59:39 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <002c01c0ac23$406a1220$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <00e401c0ac43$8b896ec0$263442cf@sank1> <002301c0ac8e$e99407a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <01b201c0aca0$bb86eaa0$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007301c0ad04$5c318ec0$8c232ac4@coqui.net> AMEN, brother Steve ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > Sorry, Mr. Galin, but your auction specifically says "idler tire", not > "idler assembly nor "idler wheel", and neither does it say "genuine > Nakamichi part". This makes it clear that it is NOT the $6.25 cost OC80635A > idler ass'y, but a replacement tire from an OEM source, since Nak has never > sold the tire separately. If you are, in fact, selling the Nak-sourced > idler wheel assemblies, then amend your auction & I will retract mine. > Until such time, the auction stays. > Had my motivation been self-serving, I would not have risked giving people > the bad impression that my auction may have made to some. I am just doing > what I can to inform people that they have an alternative to paying your > absurd prices for parts & service. Between the $125 quote for a RAM > chip(which was not disclosed as being a "pull" from a board, making it > effectively "used") that I was able to purchase OEM for $2.30, and a > client's showing me your $750 estimate to "overhaul" a 700-II that had > PERFECT heads, perfect bearings & perfect motors & otherwise near mint > inside, added to the numerous reports from Nak owners of similar quotes & > charges, I cannot, in good conscience, sit by and let Nak owners bend over & > take it, when there is ever anything I can effectively do about it. > I know that my ebay listing & my words here may make me look like a jerk to > some people, but I am so appalled by your activities that I am compelled to > take that risk. Of all the industry people I have encountered in the last > 25 years, you have the distinction of being the only one able to evoke such > a response from me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Galin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > Stephen, > > > > You don't expect anyone to believe your "moral obligation " story. > > Your motives were obvious. > > > > When they were still available from Nakamichi, they sold retail for > $10.57. > > I had a minimum bid of $.25 for this auction. > > > > I do accept your apology so please delete your auction. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > I'm sorry, Mr. Galin, but I was torn between respecting professional > > boundaries & a moral obligation to look out for the best interests of > fellow > > Nak owners. I strongly feel that it was you who crossed the line of > > business ethics & not I. Had you been selling OC80635A idler wheel > > assemblies, which Nak charges us $6.25 for, last time I checked, I would > not > > have felt such a strong compulsion to inform, although I would have > > nonetheless been quite bothered. But, knowing exactly how much unwitting > > bidders were being taken advantage of, I felt I had no choice but to act. > > Offending you was an unavoidable side effect, not an intention. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeffrey Galin" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 6:07 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Do you have a problem with my ebay ad? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221587754 > > > > > > > > > Is your ad your way of releasing your anger or do you think that your > > hurting me? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221777247 > > > > > > I have tried to be nice to you. > > > I have stayed out of your discussions. > > > I gave you no reason to fear me. As a matter of fact, > > > I gave you every reason to ignore me. > > > Why would you want to antagonize me? > > > Why can't you play nice like most of the other guys? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Jeffrey Galin > > > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > > > VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 > > > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > > > eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Mar 15 05:19:04 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:49:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Anybody heard of Tom van der Hoff Message-ID: <20010315041904.6221B1DFB24@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 15 05:17:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:17:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 ouput modifications References: <20010315034547.793641DFB7F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AB0426E.7709396@concentric.net> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > Nice idea to tweak CR7 as I am getting my CR7 in a > month and hence this interest. > One thought after seeing your comments below. > Why not replace the 2.2K resistor with 600 Ohm ( of > course after replacing the output with better low > output impedence opamp) ... Because, regardless of the value of this resistor, if you turn the output level control down, you insert an additional series resistance (top part of the control) in series with the output. The response then depends on the setting of the level control! The 'cleanest' approach is to add a buffer *after* the output potentiometer. > ... and take a seperate fixed output connection rather > than adding one more buffer stage after this! Rather you > can build balanced output stage so that cable run would > not affect your sound with even 100' length! > - that would also involve additional stages - which I > think may be unnecessary Kannan, balanced output stages are not immune to capacitive output loading. Not more than unbalanced. Besides, my pre amp only has unbalanced inputs. And, as you said, balanced buffer requires more additional circuitry. Adding an unbalanced driver will take 1 IC plus 6 resistors and 2 caps, that I can easily fit on a tiny perf board, right next to the output connectors. -- Ron > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > >> I think the range could be reduced by as much as half > >> without sacrificing any bad-tape-playing ability. > > > >In that case, changing R831 from 100K to 50K should do > >the trick. This will not require any other re-adjustment. > >If/when you decide to try this, would you please post the > >results. > > > >> But perhaps I am used to tapes from reasonably unmolested > >> machines. As for the output impedance, I think simply > >> changing IC308 to an OP275 should reduce it pretty darned > >> well. > > > >I agree replacing IC308 is an excellent idea, but it > >won't reduce the output impedance. That's because the > >amp is followed by a 2.2K series resistor, plus the top > >part of the output level control pot. What is needed is > >a buffer *following* the control pot. > > > >BTW, browsing through op-amps specs, I came across a > >Burr Brown FET input op-amp, OPA2134PA, that (going by > >specs alone) seems like an excellent replacement for > >op-amps in audio applications: > >Z(i)=10^13 ohms. > >Z(0)=0.01 ohms, output limited internally at 35mA. > >Noise density=8nV/sqr(Hz). > >Distortion=0.00008% (that's 4 zeros before the 8...) > >Slew rate=20V/us (15V/uS min). > >Stable, all the way down to unity gain. > > > >Have you had any experience with it? > > > >> The datasheet does not give an output Z spec, but it > >> is rated to swing peak to peak voltage within 2v of > >> each supply rail into 600ohms without any difficulty, > >> so it has to be quite a lot lower than the NJM082(TL082) > >> el-cheapo opamp. Can't imagine you'd have any problems > >> after that, unless your cables are terrible. > > > >My cable is pretty good -- it's five RG-174 coaxes in a > >heavy overall shield and jacket (made for RGB plus L/R > >audio). The rest of my system is interconnected with > >high-performance RG-59 (16.5 pF/ft), four runs of which > >will be kinda too thick. I think/hope the current cable > >will do fine, once the deck output is properly buffered. > > > >-- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Mar 15 06:01:14 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:01:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay In-Reply-To: <20010315034811.7509A1DFB87@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Now $2,025.00. Where it stops, nobody knows! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 15 08:16:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:16:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> Doh! I only spent a few seconds looking at the output circuit this morning, so I didn't follow out the lines to find the 2.2k's after the output pot. I don't see any reason, using the OP275, to just eliminate them. They are only there to protect the NJM082 from getting cooked by the output short during muting. Not needed on the OP275. The OP2134 is B-B's answer to the Analog Devices' OP275. I have not ever tried them, since I haven't yet found them in stock any time that I have tried to get them from various distributors. I really would not expect it to be better, but perhaps equal. If Howie will allow me, I can try the azimuth control modification on his CR-7, which is the next one scheduled to arrive here. As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned hard, if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make them an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) RG spec cable may be technically suitable superficially, but there are many factors not usually considered that make it most often lousy for audio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I think the range could be reduced by as much as half > > without sacrificing any bad-tape-playing ability. > > In that case, changing R831 from 100K to 50K should do > the trick. This will not require any other re-adjustment. > If/when you decide to try this, would you please post the > results. > > > But perhaps I am used to tapes from reasonably unmolested > > machines. As for the output impedance, I think simply > > changing IC308 to an OP275 should reduce it pretty darned > > well. > > I agree replacing IC308 is an excellent idea, but it > won't reduce the output impedance. That's because the > amp is followed by a 2.2K series resistor, plus the top > part of the output level control pot. What is needed is > a buffer *following* the control pot. > > BTW, browsing through op-amps specs, I came across a > Burr Brown FET input op-amp, OPA2134PA, that (going by > specs alone) seems like an excellent replacement for > op-amps in audio applications: > Z(i)=10^13 ohms. > Z(0)=0.01 ohms, output limited internally at 35mA. > Noise density=8nV/sqr(Hz). > Distortion=0.00008% (that's 4 zeros before the 8...) > Slew rate=20V/us (15V/uS min). > Stable, all the way down to unity gain. > > Have you had any experience with it? > > > The datasheet does not give an output Z spec, but it > > is rated to swing peak to peak voltage within 2v of > > each supply rail into 600ohms without any difficulty, > > so it has to be quite a lot lower than the NJM082(TL082) > > el-cheapo opamp. Can't imagine you'd have any problems > > after that, unless your cables are terrible. > > My cable is pretty good -- it's five RG-174 coaxes in a > heavy overall shield and jacket (made for RGB plus L/R > audio). The rest of my system is interconnected with > high-performance RG-59 (16.5 pF/ft), four runs of which > will be kinda too thick. I think/hope the current cable > will do fine, once the deck output is properly buffered. > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > I never thought the total range was more than > > > enough. If range may be sacrificed, than the > > > resolution can be increased by the same amount. > > > Seems to me, that should be an extremely simple > > > thing to do (modify a single resistor). Of > > > course, one has to be careful and make sure the > > > circuit remains stable. > > > > > > I am compiling a list of things to do to improve > > > my CR-7. If you feel that adjustment range man be > > > safely reduced (and by how much), I'll really > > > appreciate the information (as, I think, will > > > other CR-7 owners). > > > > > > Another item that I think can improve the CR-7 > > > is decreasing the output impedance. Currently it > > > is 2.2K (which is the 'official' spec) *provided* > > > the output level control is turned all the way up. > > > It's even higher when the control is turned down. > > > In my case, I need a 12ft. cable from deck to > > > preamp. Even though I use a low capacitance cable, > > > I know that I have high-end roll off, which is > > > probably why, for most cassettes, manual azimuth > > > adjustment in PB has a very subtle effect (and > > > consequently, it feels like the range is already > > > too limited). So, one of the items on my list is > > > to add an output amp that will reduce output > > > impedance to about 50 ohms, plus provide about > > > 6db gain. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I have actually had tapes that were noticeably rolled off due to the > > azimuth > > > > peak being between steps. Otherwise, it might never have occurred to me > > to > > > > see it as an inadequacy. Just some quick thinking about it says to me > > that > > > > it may be possible to alter the feedback potentiometer circuit to cause > > the > > > > controller to move the motor in finer steps. This would sacrifice only > > the > > > > total range of motion, which is way more than enough already, without > > > > affecting calibration function or anything else I can think of. I'll > > have a > > > > look at the schematics sometime today. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:55 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'll be damned... You are absolutely right. There > > > > > is just over 1 step per display segment. To be exact, > > > > > there are 24 display segments and 32 steps. This means > > > > > azimuth adjustment resolution is 5 bits). > > > > > > > > > > To put this in perspective: lock to lock rotation of the > > > > > azimuth control produces total head movement (bottom of > > > > > head) of approximately (*very* approximately) 1 mm or a > > > > > bit less. Top of head also moves slightly, so it's > > > > > difficult to calculate angles, but I would say this > > > > > corresponds roughly to about 8 degrees, translating to > > > > > azimuth resolution of about 0.25 degrees per step. Thus, > > > > > worst case inaccuracy is less than +/- 1/8 degree. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether this is significant, in terms of > > > > > audible high frequency loss. Probably not. It *is* > > > > > significant, in terms of high-end audio purism (if such > > > > > a word exists). Why did Nakamichi Engineers make this > > > > > choice, is difficult to conjecture. I must assume they > > > > > were locked in to a pre existing processor chip choice, > > > > > that greatly limited available RAM space. This would > > > > > also account for the (unfortunate) inability of the > > > > > deck to remember counter position and several settings > > > > > after power down. Too bad -- seeing that the CR-7 was > > > > > by no means a cheap component. > > > > > > > > > > Correcting this for the automatic azimuth function is > > > > > next to impossible, practically speaking, because it > > > > > would entail replacing the processor and a fair amount > > > > > (if not all) of the F/W. Correcting this for the manual > > > > > azimuth adjustment is far easier (I would disconnect > > > > > the motor, feedback potentiometer and control, and > > > > > build in a separate, analog, servo loop), except that > > > > > this would be pointless -- the existing resolution is > > > > > already far better than what is needed for adjustment > > > > > by ear. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for bringing this up. Looking into it was an > > > > > interesting diversion. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was afraid it would be the case that the processor determines the > > > > steps. > > > > > > This means no possibility of cure, as far as I can guess. The steps > > are > > > > > > pretty significant. If you play a tape & operate the azimuth > > control > > > > with > > > > > > your ear to the deck, you'll hear the motor stepping at I think 2 or > > 3 > > > > steps > > > > > > per control dial line. Actually, I think it might be one step per > > > > indicator > > > > > > step on the display. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:42 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just took a cursory look at the schematic of > > > > > > > the CR-7 and cannot see where the azimuth control > > > > > > > function is stepped. As far as I can see, control > > > > > > > is achieved through the processor and DAC. There > > > > > > > is quantization stepping, of course... The data > > > > > > > seems to be fed serially, so I cannot tell how > > > > > > > many bits are used, but if 8, then it's pretty > > > > > > > insignificant. Is this what you mean by 'stepped'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot about the DR-1 having the same azimuth control. It is > > > > nearly > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same deck as the Cass. Deck 1. Both of these use a mechanically > > > > coupled > > > > > > > > knob, as in the ZX-9/7 rec azimuth, but there is a detented > > > > resistance > > > > > > > > behind it, to prevent slipping, but the detent steps are very > > fine. > > > > Too > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > neither of these decks has the BX-300/CR-4/5/7 type direct drive > > cap > > > > > > motor > > > > > > > > system. I believe the DR-10 does not have the azimuth control. > > On > > > > the > > > > > > > > CR-7, the steps are a funtion of the control electronics. > > Haven't > > > > > > evaluated > > > > > > > > whether this can be modified for finer steps yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:55 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > DR1 has manual azimuth as well as latest DR10 ( I think) > > whereas > > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > Deck 1.5 does not have this control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do these decks incorporate similar stepped motor or stepped > > gear > > > > to > > > > > > > > accomplish Azimuth adjustment? or like ZX9 azimuth wire which is > > a > > > > > > > > continuous one and may be like Dragon's fine adjustment. More > > gear > > > > steps > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get the head correctly to the sweet spot will also should solve > > fine > > > > > > > > adjsutment problem _ I suppose? > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:04 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment-Did I miss something? on > > > > 1000ZXL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the playback azimuth adjust issue, there is one minor flaw > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >CR-7's manual adjust. It is an electronically controlled > > > > > > motor-driven > > > > > > > > > >system, and, unfortunately, it is stepped. I have found on a > > few > > > > > > > > occasions > > > > > > > > > >that the steps can cause one to miss the optimal set point. > > The > > > > > > Dragon > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > >not have this issue. Ironically, the considerably less well > > > > built > > > > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > > >Deck 1(and the 1.5, too, I think) have a mechanically coupled > > pb > > > > > > azimuth > > > > > > > > > >control that allows more accurate setting than the CR-7. > > More > > > > > > > > ironically, > > > > > > > > > >the other deck that has the same system is the TD-700 car > > deck, > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > >personal favorite, over the TD-1200. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Mar 15 08:20:48 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:20:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D2A8@CPT-01> have to tell you that i purchased mine two weeks ago for $ 632 from the original owner. its in perfect nick, but then i'm in south africa. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:ruajw2 at idirect.com] Sent: 15 March 2001 07:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on ebay Now $2,025.00. Where it stops, nobody knows! ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Mar 16 01:19:58 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:19:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical wire out there. LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned hard, > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make them > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 04:48:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:48:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <91.8350bfe.27e2e6ff@aol.com> I still waiting to hear from Michael, if I purchase his CR-7, is this change included in your regular service? I will have to send the deck to you to look at the bias drift problem he mentioned... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 16 06:45:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:45:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <91.8350bfe.27e2e6ff@aol.com> Message-ID: <042801c0addc$4085e120$263442cf@sank1> Are you talking about the azimuth control mod, or the opamp change? Which ever, we'll talk when I get the deck here. Neither would be part of regular service, but I would certainly not charge too much to do either or both. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > I still waiting to hear from Michael, if I purchase his CR-7, is this change > included in your regular service? I will have to send the deck to you to > look at the bias drift problem he mentioned... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 06:58:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:58:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <31.11ddbe8a.27e30597@aol.com> OK, thanks. I wait until I get the deck and then we can go from there! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 16 16:04:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:04:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers claim affect the sound, but somehow have no measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in most A/V systems on the planet). Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers do is minimize them. They then make their product visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better than average, but by no means in the super esoteric category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. All cables are point to point, with length exactly tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the connectors. I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds or thousands dollars more, could make my system sound better. The only exception are the tape deck and turntable interconnects, that are too long and of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. YMMV. -- Ron Carlos wrote: > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical > wire out there. > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > hard, > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make > them > > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Mar 16 17:05:47 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <007001c0ae32$f7e12860$38021fac@brianm> Ron, How much do you want for that bridge? (Helicopters are not supposed to fly!) Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > most A/V systems on the planet). > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > do is minimize them. They then make their product > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > connectors. > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical > > wire out there. > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > hard, > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make > > them > > > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 16 17:24:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:24:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <007001c0ae32$f7e12860$38021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3AB23E3E.3FA112C5@concentric.net> That bridge generates an income of $13,667 per day. It's built from black sea rocks, that bring good luck. In addition, it magically improves the intelligence of people that buy it, not to mention, their sex life. You can have all this for the ludicrous (almost, symbolic) sum of $999,999.95, payable in advance. If you make a decision within 5 days, I'll throw in the Eiffel Tower. (Whoever said that helicopters are not supposed to fly knows Aeronautics about as much as Dan Quayle). -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > Ron, > > How much do you want for that bridge? > > (Helicopters are not supposed to fly!) > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > > most A/V systems on the planet). > > > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > > do is minimize them. They then make their product > > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > > connectors. > > > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > recommend > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > un-practical > > > wire out there. > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > and > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT > cable! > > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > > hard, > > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices > make > > > them > > > > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Mar 16 17:55:57 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:55:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment In-Reply-To: <3AB23E3E.3FA112C5@concentric.net> Message-ID: Do you take Visa? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Fri Mar 16 18:02:21 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:02:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <17.13066633.27e3a11d@aol.com> I beleive he is right about all this. I have borrowed many expensive cables from a high end audio store in PA, and tried them in my system, which is in same price range as his, and noticed no difference. I had to strain my ears to pretend i heard a difference. Invest money in more important things. Dont be foolish. Id be glad to take your money, if you throw it around that loosely. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 18:19:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:19:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: I know most people in the "know" don't like Monster cables, however I have used them for many years and there is a noticeable sound difference over regular everyday cables. Having said that, I don't know if I could hear a difference if I used the $15,000 pair mentioned in this email chain. I'd rather spend the money on upgrading my amp. (e.g. a nice ML 383 or 336). I would like to upgrade the cables my turntable shipped with to a better quality grade cable. Has anyone on this list really heard a difference using the more expensive cables and interconnects? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 16 18:40:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:40:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004201c0ae40$34875c00$663442cf@sank1> At the risk of opening a Pandora's box here, I must say that you really don't have much support for your statements until you have actually done comparisons between cables. My dad, RCA's last microphone design engineer, felt exactly the same way you did, being an "old school" EE. About ten years ago, I gave him some LAT cables, as I happened to have some that met his configuration needs at that moment. He never said anything to me, but a few years later, I was back at his house again & noticed that almost every cable in his main audio system was now LAT! The long & short of it is that there ARE other parameters in audio cable design that DO affect sound quality & are not usually considered by "old school" EE's. I can't count the number of times I have demonstrated VERY clearly audible differences in cables, both to clients & even to myself, on occassions where I expected no difference. And I am not talking about subtle things. Many times there are "Holy crap!" differences. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > most A/V systems on the planet). > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > do is minimize them. They then make their product > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > connectors. > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical > > wire out there. > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > hard, > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make > > them > > > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 16 18:35:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:35:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: Message-ID: <3AB24EE7.75BEC325@concentric.net> Roland Alford wrote: > > Do you take Visa? For such a bridge with magical properties, nothing but cash! I prefer unmarked bills, small denominations. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Mar 16 18:38:08 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:38:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <17.13066633.27e3a11d@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c0ae3f$dea1eb20$26021fac@brianm> This is an age old debate. You can go to any audio forum and go to Cables and it always evokes the most responses. You are happy with your *cheap* cables, others are happy with theirs, this debate will not be resolved here either. (I've heard the difference, you are not gonna change my mind. My wife, who could care less has heard the difference. There is a balance, you do not need to spend thousands.) Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > I beleive he is right about all this. I have borrowed many expensive cables > from a high end audio store in PA, and tried them in my system, which is in > same price range as his, and noticed no difference. I had to strain my ears > to pretend i heard a difference. Invest money in more important things. > Dont be foolish. Id be glad to take your money, if you throw it around that > loosely. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 16 18:47:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:47:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <17.13066633.27e3a11d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AB25195.ECBC92B5@concentric.net> Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > I beleive he is right about all this. I have borrowed many expensive cables > from a high end audio store in PA, and tried them in my system, which is in > same price range as his, and noticed no difference. I had to strain my ears > to pretend i heard a difference. Invest money in more important things. > Dont be foolish. Id be glad to take your money, if you throw it around that > loosely. R.J. Nowhere did I say that inferior cable will not sound inferior. However, I believe the law of diminishing returns strongly applies to A/V cables. The point of zero (or next to zero) return is reached at very reasonable cost -- far, far below what 'The Believers' are willing to shell out. I believe that my cheapo home made interconnects rival Monster, Kimber, Audioquest and other high-end products (though I haven't auditioned them all). If there is any audible difference (and I highly doubt it) it would be too small and nebulous to justify their prices. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Fri Mar 16 18:55:18 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:55:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: I know. I was agreeing with you. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Fri Mar 16 19:05:34 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:05:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: Ron-With your statement 'I believe...', that is the point I tried to make regarding this never ending cable issue when it was brought up some months back. Good for you if you are happy w/ the wire in your system. If a fellow audiophile thinks his system sounds better w/ the high dollar wire, then good for him also. Psycho acoustics at work? Maybe, but who cares. Folks like you have a extra buck in their pocket and others are eating 'Top Ramen' but have some really cool looking audio cables. But in the end, everyone is happy. End of story. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 16 20:06:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: Message-ID: <3AB2642F.637B6A9D@concentric.net> BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > > Ron-With your statement 'I believe...', that is the point I tried to make regarding this never ending cable issue when it was brought up some months back. Good for you if you are happy w/ the wire in your system. If a fellow audiophile thinks his system sounds better w/ the high dollar wire, then good for him also. Psycho acoustics at work? Maybe, but who cares. Folks like you have a extra buck in their pocket and others are eating 'Top Ramen' but have some really cool looking audio cables. But in the end, everyone is happy. End of story.> Oh, to be sure. But, unlike the NGs, we are not in hostile contention here, but simply discussing this hot issue between friends. Of course, I am familiar with the history of this issue... Reminds me of that merchant that habitually posts on r.a.o. He often claimed he could easily hear the difference between 'regular' speaker cables (that he despised) and whatever esoteric (and very expensive) cables he was peddling. The difference, he claimed, was day and night, no less. This person was under the impression that calling his adversaries 'idiot' or 'moron' somehow bolstered his stance. After much insult trading and name calling, the warring parties finally agreed on a bet, whereby a controlled listening test would be conducted under supervision of both sides. Guess what... this merchant couldn't tell the difference between any two cables, in test after test after test... This is not an isolated instance. No offense intended, but anyone claiming they can hear a difference between cables (both of which, of reasonable quality), better prove it in a controlled, blind test. Unfortunately, I have NEVER, EVER, seen such a test documented, anywhere, that showed different cables were audibly different. In any speaker cable audition I have ever taken (quite a few), I could never reliably and non ambiguously hear a difference, even when an audiophile cable was compared to THIN LAMP CORD. This is already too long, but just one more comment: I hear people saying that there is more to cables than us simplistic BSEE types know. With all due respect, that's BS... Yes, there are characteristics I didn't mention -- I just didn't think they would be of interest in this forum; they are of second or third order importance, anyway. But, please do not think that there is something magical and unknown to science about cables, it just ain't so. Peace, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Mar 16 20:50:21 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:50:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cables References: <3AB2642F.637B6A9D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003f01c0ae52$5882eae0$3a021fac@brianm> Well I told myself not to reply to this again BUT...it always comes down to this "proven in in a CONTROLLED environment" statement, whatever a "controlled environment" is! Anyway, I will give one "for instance" in my case, although this never does any good to those reading. A few years ago I was using two different speaker cables on my bi-wired speakers, Mirage M3's. I was using Audio Quest Midnight for lows and Cardas Quadlink for high's, incase anyone cares. I had my wire unhooked due to a repair, I had my wife hook my speaker wire back up to the speakers, I was no where near the back of the speaker when she did this, I was in my listening spot. (In a wheelchair, this is why I was having her do it.) When she finished, I hit play on the remote, it played for only a couple of seconds and I stopped it and told her she had the wires switched on the left speaker, i.e. the AudioQuest on the high's and Cardas on lows. Sure enough, when she switched them all was fine. If there is no difference, how did I know, especially in a matter of seconds? One other instance was when a cable was swapped and when I hit play my wife turned around, who was washing dishes, and was amazed at the difference. Again, she does not sit and listen to music she just allows my hobby and agrees to the differences as she too has heard. You can explain it all away any way you like, you will not convince me otherwise, as I just explained two VERY good examples. Enjoy!! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > > > > Ron-With your statement 'I believe...', that is the point I tried to make regarding this never ending cable issue when it was brought up some months back. Good for you if you are happy w/ the wire in your system. If a fellow audiophile thinks his system sounds better w/ the high dollar wire, then good for him also. Psycho acoustics at work? Maybe, but who cares. Folks like you have a extra buck in their pocket and others are eating 'Top Ramen' but have some really cool looking audio cables. But in the end, everyone is happy. End of story.> > > > Oh, to be sure. But, unlike the NGs, we are not in > hostile contention here, but simply discussing this > hot issue between friends. > > Of course, I am familiar with the history of this > issue... Reminds me of that merchant that habitually > posts on r.a.o. He often claimed he could easily > hear the difference between 'regular' speaker cables > (that he despised) and whatever esoteric (and very > expensive) cables he was peddling. The difference, he > claimed, was day and night, no less. > > This person was under the impression that calling > his adversaries 'idiot' or 'moron' somehow bolstered > his stance. After much insult trading and name calling, > the warring parties finally agreed on a bet, whereby a > controlled listening test would be conducted under > supervision of both sides. Guess what... this merchant > couldn't tell the difference between any two cables, in > test after test after test... > > This is not an isolated instance. No offense intended, > but anyone claiming they can hear a difference between > cables (both of which, of reasonable quality), better > prove it in a controlled, blind test. Unfortunately, I > have NEVER, EVER, seen such a test documented, anywhere, > that showed different cables were audibly different. > > In any speaker cable audition I have ever taken (quite > a few), I could never reliably and non ambiguously hear > a difference, even when an audiophile cable was compared > to THIN LAMP CORD. > > This is already too long, but just one more comment: I > hear people saying that there is more to cables than us > simplistic BSEE types know. With all due respect, that's > BS... Yes, there are characteristics I didn't mention -- > I just didn't think they would be of interest in this > forum; they are of second or third order importance, > anyway. But, please do not think that there is something > magical and unknown to science about cables, it just ain't > so. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Mar 16 22:32:06 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:32:06 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FE5@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Actually, I didn't want to participate in this particular debate at first, but then just couldn't resist it anymore... Ron, you're absolutely right. You're right for 100, no, for 200%. I'm an ex-engineer(-physicist) as well, but this is not the major point. The point is that one of my closest friends had been personally involved in that kind of business. He was an Insider for a pretty long period of time, but it didn't take long for him to realize, that all these fairytales featuring the notorious differences in sound are nothing short, but PURE mystification. Having done with them, he even wrote kinda story, perfectly explaining all those tricks and psych-factor etc. Now I'm willing to translate it into English and place at your disposal. As to yourself, I'm really glad to meet one more like-mided person. Thanks Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > most A/V systems on the planet). > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > do is minimize them. They then make their product > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > connectors. > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > recommend > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > un-practical > > wire out there. > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > and > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT > cable! > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > hard, > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices > make > > them > > > an incredibly good value. (http://latinternational.com) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Differences can be good or bad or just "different", but not necessarily better. $15K is a lot to spend on just different! Obviously, if it's your money you are spending, you're the best judge of that. But the only way to really test out what that "difference" is, is to use an "A-B-X" switch. (Not a very complicated box using RCA jacks and a throw switch, parts you could buy your audio supplier - sine a few bucks are on the line, spring for the gold RCA jacks and a silver or gold contact throw switch if you can find it). I think we all know what that is, but just as a reminder, it involves using the same source signal and amplifier and speakers, however, the switch has to be at the critical point, i.e. between amp and speakers, or between the source (such as our beloved Naks) and the pre-amp allowing for instant comparison. We would need a non-biased helper (maybe our wife - if she'll put up with our foolishness? Of course you'll owe her big after this and probably have to take her out for dinner!) to operate the switch for us (who would have to know which cable was being used for each side of the switch) and record our observations of what our thoughts were using each of the cables involved, as we would be in effect "blindfolded". There would be no need to plug or unplug anything because it is all wired into the RCA jack in our switch allowing for instant comparison. Of course, make sure you try it a number of times to see if your judgments are consistent. At the end, see what you come up with. If the differences heard are really that much better for the high end cables, keep them and enjoy. If not, return them to your high end dealer and take your wife to dinner at the best restaurant in town. After all, she just saved you $15,000.00! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Mar 16 23:04:49 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:04:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cables References: Message-ID: <007501c0ae65$20450ce0$3a021fac@brianm> One more thing, the $15,000 is clearly an exaggeration!! Yes, there are those in the thousands. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cables > I think it is common sense to use good quality cables for inter-connects, > but as has been pointed out, there are probably other areas of the system > where that kind of investment should go first. Once everything else is > working to *perfection* then perhaps an upgrade in interconnects or speaker > cable would be a place to spend your money. > > But as for whether one is better than another is a very subjective thing. I > have noticed that some made the comment that they heard a "difference". But > what is that difference? Differences can be good or bad or just > "different", but not necessarily better. $15K is a lot to spend on just > different! > > Obviously, if it's your money you are spending, you're the best judge of > that. But the only way to really test out what that "difference" is, is to > use an "A-B-X" switch. (Not a very complicated box using RCA jacks and a > throw switch, parts you could buy your audio supplier - sine a few bucks are > on the line, spring for the gold RCA jacks and a silver or gold contact > throw switch if you can find it). I think we all know what that is, but > just as a reminder, it involves using the same source signal and amplifier > and speakers, however, the switch has to be at the critical point, i.e. > between amp and speakers, or between the source (such as our beloved Naks) > and the pre-amp allowing for instant comparison. > > We would need a non-biased helper (maybe our wife - if she'll put up with > our foolishness? Of course you'll owe her big after this and probably have > to take her out for dinner!) to operate the switch for us (who would have to > know which cable was being used for each side of the switch) and record our > observations of what our thoughts were using each of the cables involved, as > we would be in effect "blindfolded". There would be no need to plug or > unplug anything because it is all wired into the RCA jack in our switch > allowing for instant comparison. Of course, make sure you try it a number of > times to see if your judgments are consistent. > > At the end, see what you come up with. If the differences heard are really > that much better for the high end cables, keep them and enjoy. If not, > return them to your high end dealer and take your wife to dinner at the best > restaurant in town. After all, she just saved you $15,000.00! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat Mar 17 00:30:42 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:30:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> What about the MB-2? There is one for sale locally here in Jersey (Channel Islands) for about $350 although it might go for less as the shop has had it for some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best sounding Nak > CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of > Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit quickly, they > were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that came > after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit cloudy > sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's very > tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. Damned > reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded much > better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near as > reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility of > digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I was > > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T Tube > output > > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something better. A > > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for about > > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Mar 17 02:01:46 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:01:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002d01c0ae7d$dc6ab6a0$de05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Why is it that people who can't hear any differences between speaker cables or interconnects feel compelled to belittle those of us that do? I can't recall anyone ever starting this debate by stating that those parties who claim that there is no difference or improvement are full of shit. Quite frankly I'm happy to leave you to your delusions if you will leave me to mine. I don't really think that we need to get into this debate again as it is incapable of resolution. BTW I took Stephen's advice and tried the LAT cables and they are great . Kevin Rogers > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > most A/V systems on the planet). > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > do is minimize them. They then make their product > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > connectors. > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical > > wire out there. > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT cable! > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > hard, > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices make > > them > > > an incredibly good value. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 02:08:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:08:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as the mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the tray's disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so many MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in good shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > What about the MB-2? There is one for sale locally here in Jersey (Channel > Islands) for about $350 although it might go for less as the shop has had it > for some time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best sounding Nak > > CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of > > Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit quickly, > they > > were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that came > > after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit cloudy > > sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's very > > tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. Damned > > reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded much > > better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near as > > reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility of > > digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I was > > > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T Tube > > output > > > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something better. > A > > > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for > about > > > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 17 04:08:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:08:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <002d01c0ae7d$dc6ab6a0$de05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <3AB2D548.AB9C5294@concentric.net> Kevin Rogers wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Why is it that people who can't hear any differences between speaker cables > or interconnects feel compelled to belittle those of us that do? Can't recall anyone belittling anyone else in this thread. Certainly, *I* didn't. Just a comment, though: the crux of my argument did not have to do with *hearing* any difference, but whether such difference is even possible, given simple Engineering considerations. The fact that no difference had been documented in DBTs is just a corollary. > I can't > recall anyone ever starting this debate by stating that those parties who > claim that there is no difference or improvement are full of shit. This particular argument started with the statement that high end *cables*, NOT listeners, are shit. Please do not take offense where none is intended. > Quite > frankly I'm happy to leave you to your delusions if you will leave me to > mine. That's OK with me. As long as you treat others' opinions as 'delusions', you are unlikely to learn much -- but that's OK, too. As I already said, YMMV. -- Ron > I don't really think that we need to get into this debate again as it > is incapable of resolution. BTW I took Stephen's advice and tried the LAT > cables and they are great . > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > Quite frankly, no, I cannot imagine paying $15,000 for > > a 15' speaker cable. $15 is more like it. > > > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > > have any magical attribute, that the manufacturers > > claim affect the sound, but somehow have no > > measurable manifestation whatsoever. To anyone > > that believes that, I'd like to sell that bridge in > > Brooklyn, NY, real cheap :-). > > > > (It *is* true that these electrical characteristics > > are distributed, rather than in lumped, which may > > slightly complicate matters. Also, unfortunately, C > > and L may not be linear -- which could be audible if > > *everything* else was perfect, which it isn't in > > most A/V systems on the planet). > > > > Ideally, for best sound, all three electrical > > attributes should be zero. Unfortunately this is > > not possible. What the esoteric cable manufacturers > > do is minimize them. They then make their product > > visually striking and sell it at 1000% markup. > > > > My A/V system is of the $30,000 variety -- better > > than average, but by no means in the super esoteric > > category. For speaker cable, I use stranded 12AWG > > OFC cables, at cost of 20 cents to 40 cents a ft. > > My front speakers are bi-wired (made ABSOLUTELY ZERO > > difference to the sound) with 10AWG cables on the > > bass leg. For interconnects, I use high performance > > RG-59 (Belden 1505A), with gold plated (prevents > > tarnishing) fully coaxial RCA connectors made by > > Philmore. The advantage of this is that all cables > > are the same -- video, digital and analog audio. > > All cables are point to point, with length exactly > > tailored to need. Cost was less than 40 cents a foot > > for the cable, plus less than 2 bucks each for the > > connectors. > > > > I do not believe that esoteric cables, at hundreds > > or thousands dollars more, could make my system > > sound better. The only exception are the tape deck > > and turntable interconnects, that are too long and > > of mediocre quality, that I will eventually replace. > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > recommend > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > un-practical > > > wire out there. > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > and > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > As for cable, Carlos & I will both emphatically tell you: Get LAT > cable! > > > > Except for the digital cable that I make, LAT's cables are all damned > > > hard, > > > > if not impossible for any non-absurd expense, to beat & the prices > make > > > them > > > > an incredibly good value. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Mar 16 21:10:08 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:10:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not everyone is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real bargain. At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't fix it ! By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! Peace ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to recommend > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and un-practical > > wire out there. > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit and > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 06:34:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:34:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by now that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a given phenomena. People used to wonder why different power amps, with identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and God, I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it was Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to delayed enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look for it. Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept that different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is a 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause jitter, which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable that I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates that it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create enough errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it sounds more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than dozens of other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very precisely controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could possibly be true. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not everyone > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > bargain. > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't > fix it ! > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > Peace ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > recommend > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > un-practical > > > wire out there. > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > and > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > Carlos J. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 06:47:58 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:47:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Any comment on latter Nak single CD player - especially on sonics / electronics side ? I have a CD-4 single cd player that sounds muddy compared to a Denon 1015, or for that matter, even compared to an ancient Sony 301ES. Some says that it has that 'British' sound ... BTW, just completed restoring my marantz tuner ... and my respect to the SR4 tuner section dropped ! Made me think that good Nak products are more on the high end side, with the exception of cass decks. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful > when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as the > mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the tray's > disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so many > MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't > remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in good > shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 11:20:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:20:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00f401c0aecb$e9e70740$663442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, Nak has devoted the better electronics to the musicbank players since it's inception. Even the 1000MB @$6000 was a changer. So, the best sounding single CD Nak remains the OMS-7AII/5AII from the '80's. The later singles have been mediocre at best. Which Marantz tuner? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > Any comment on latter Nak single CD player - especially on sonics / > electronics side ? I have a CD-4 single cd player that sounds muddy > compared to a Denon 1015, or for that matter, even compared to an ancient > Sony 301ES. Some says that it has that 'British' sound ... > > BTW, just completed restoring my marantz tuner ... and my respect to the SR4 > tuner section dropped ! Made me think that good Nak products are more on > the high end side, with the exception of cass decks. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful > > when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as the > > mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the tray's > > disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so many > > MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't > > remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in > good > > shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Mar 17 13:21:16 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:21:16 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FE6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Well, I don't pretend it all to be as easy as ABC, but IMHO it's not that complicated either. Regarding this particular issue, all people on the globe who care about SOUND in any way at all, can be divided in two categories: those predisposed to hear all those peculiarities (or better to say, who WANT to hear) and those "ordinary". That's actually what the disease known as 'audiophilia' is all about - hearing all those little (and to somebody's ears great) differences in sound, which cannot be made plainly perspicuous with the help of, say, mere Mathematics or anything. 'Hearing' in this case is to be understood exactly as 'hearing', NOT deliberate looking for those differences or fooling oneself into thinking one can really hear them. The crux of the problem is that some people appear to be stricken by the disease, and some not. It doesn't make a $50.000 system sound better than a $5.000 one, neither does it turn the one, who "hears", into a fool and the one, who "doesn't", into a hard of hearing. To some extent Audiophilia is similar to religion. At times believing in God or anything makes some people display such zeal, that their bodies cover with stigma. However, it doesn't make the existence of God more evident or demonstrative. IMHO (and I don't believe in God), there's only one important thing to remember when choosing Audio-equipment: beware of cheapos in any form. There IS a really perceptible difference between the sound of a cheapo and a decent piece of equipment, but beyond that all the subtleties vanish. Thanks for your patience Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by > now > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > given phenomena. People used to wonder why different power amps, with > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and > God, > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it was > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to delayed > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look > for > it. > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept that > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is a > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > jitter, > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable > that > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates > that > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create enough > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it sounds > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than dozens > of > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very precisely > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could possibly > be > true. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > mean > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > everyone > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > everyone > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > bargain. > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > don't > > fix it ! > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > Peace ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > recommend > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > un-practical > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > shit > > and > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > of > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > Carlos J. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joukomakela at Home.com Sat Mar 17 13:13:49 2001 From: joukomakela at Home.com (Jouko Makela) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:13:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 1000 || Message-ID: <20010317121530.KVGK14290.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@[24.157.56.150]> at e-bay #1222455345 I have my nak for sale.It is in really good shape .I dont really know if shut keep it (.too many naak),specialy when they are in this kind of a shape. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sat Mar 17 14:48:51 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:48:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) Message-ID: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't know. for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the most distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. this is best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape where the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin as a good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared to the CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just good ears with no threshold shift nor phase differences. hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a difference in the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will admit. gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired internal cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal wiring was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did A&B tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing the rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not affective if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you would expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower since the drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that point). we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure it, but the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before and after speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences should not have had an effect. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 17 15:30:43 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:30:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Message-ID: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> Hi, Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 17:40:12 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:40:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0aecb$e9e70740$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c0ae37$c7c848c0$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, I need to change my paradigm of the word 'changer' ...I bought this one solely because it is the only single player Nak available at the store 3 years ago. The tuner is an old 120B, with malfunctioning discriminator amp (one extra rare NJM703W - not found yet), and worse, with low-output IF amp section - all stations muted ! On top of that the tuner is way off alignment in front end and mpx section. It was hell - but that is the only marantz tuner I ever seen in so many years (lots of receivers but no tuner) and I got it for $50, so that's worth the effort. Replaced all caps on IF board, copied the marantz 2325 discriminator section ... voila ! It works well and sounds fabulous : crystal clear. I hope the oscilloscope still have a few years left. It's so cool ! Best regards, Salim SM PS: It's amazing that the 2325 tuner section is very very similar to 120B (except the discrim uses a 3 cent 2SC828). I wonder if the NJM703W makes a huge difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Unfortunately, Nak has devoted the better electronics to the musicbank > players since it's inception. Even the 1000MB @$6000 was a changer. So, > the best sounding single CD Nak remains the OMS-7AII/5AII from the '80's. > The later singles have been mediocre at best. > Which Marantz tuner? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Mar 17 18:34:53 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:34:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) References: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3AB3A03E.D1C6ED28@pacbell.net> Dear Naktalkers, This is where I have to jump in to the interconnect/speaker cable debate. When one considers the pathways that exist before and after any interconnect (foil pc boards both in the electronics and often in the crossover assemblies of loudspeakers and that thinner than hair protection fuse and the often cheap/thin wiring inside a loudspeaker) one has to consider that a circuit can only be as good as it's weakest link. There is an excellent article in the most recent Listener magazine about the interconnect debate which finishes with plans to make interconnects with magnet wire and other components all available from Radioshack (I did not build them because they will be ugly and delicate for my Guerilla hands). One excellent point the author makes is that crossovers should not be hidden inside loudspeakers and the "dirty little secret" about why is most revealing--extremely cheap <$1.00 and non-hard-wired parts in exotic/expensive loudspeakers. Run a kilowatt through these "weak links" and think of the stress on these frail pathways! This is just a hobbyist's point of view offered to draw out the thoughts of professionals like Stephen, Carlos, etc. As a hobbyist hifi ebayseller, much like an auto mechanic, the last place I want to look when I go home is under the hood. Always remember to enjoy the music! and happy Saintpatrick'sday Sincerely, Brian Stocker, enjoyer of the most decadent portable stereo ever built (I think), nak 250/-ads/2002 in an anvilcase! Herb Chong wrote: > there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't know. > for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and > non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the most > distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. this is > best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape where > the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin as a > good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared to the > CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just good ears > with no threshold shift nor phase differences. > > hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a difference in > the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will admit. > gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired internal > cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal wiring > was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did A&B > tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing the > rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not affective > if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you would > expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower since the > drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that point). > we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure it, but > the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before and after > speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences should > not have had an effect. > > Herb.... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 21:00:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:00:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> Message-ID: <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll build one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Hi, > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, Any > advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 21:14:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:14:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) References: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> <3AB3A03E.D1C6ED28@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <013701c0af1e$f1791d60$663442cf@sank1> Actually, circuit board foil, when copper & enameled, is a pretty decent "wire", as long as it is wide enough to have enough guage for the current it's passing(which is why it usually sucks for speaker crossovers). Since it is thin & flat, it's like a small & less pure version of Alpha-Core Goertz foil wire, which is very decent. It certainly is appalling what most speaker manufacturers consider "good" crossover parts & internal wiring. Even on the Nautilus line, at the price of a really nice used Mercedes, B&W still uses round-wire inductors(full of hysterisis distortion), even though they have finally started using nice capacitors, and they still use too-small Monster cable for wire. Then there are companies like Thiel & Paradigm, who proudly display their crossovers in their ads, despite being full of obviously cheap components, with far too much complexity to have a chance of sounding transparent. My philosophy of speaker building is 1)best possible components & wiring, and 2)simplest crossover possible. If I find that a driver needs any kind of compensation elements(Zobel networks, resistors, etc.) in the crossover at all to match the other drivers, I abandon it & find a driver that doesn't require any. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > Dear Naktalkers, > > This is where I have to jump in to the interconnect/speaker cable debate. When one > considers the pathways that exist before and after any interconnect (foil pc boards > both in the electronics and often in the crossover assemblies of loudspeakers and that > thinner than hair protection fuse and the often cheap/thin wiring inside a > loudspeaker) one has to consider that a circuit can only be as good as it's weakest > link. > > There is an excellent article in the most recent Listener magazine about the > interconnect debate which finishes with plans to make interconnects with magnet wire > and other components all available from Radioshack (I did not build them because they > will be ugly and delicate for my Guerilla hands). One excellent point the author > makes is that crossovers should not be hidden inside loudspeakers and the "dirty > little secret" about why is most revealing--extremely cheap <$1.00 and non-hard-wired > parts in exotic/expensive loudspeakers. Run a kilowatt through these "weak links" and > think of the stress on these frail pathways! > > This is just a hobbyist's point of view offered to draw out the thoughts of > professionals like Stephen, Carlos, etc. > > As a hobbyist hifi ebayseller, much like an auto mechanic, the last place I want to > look when I go home is under the hood. Always remember to enjoy the music! and happy > Saintpatrick'sday > > Sincerely, > > Brian Stocker, enjoyer of the most decadent portable stereo ever built (I think), nak > 250/-ads/2002 in an anvilcase! > > Herb Chong wrote: > > > there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't know. > > for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and > > non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the most > > distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. this is > > best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape where > > the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin as a > > good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared to the > > CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just good ears > > with no threshold shift nor phase differences. > > > > hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a difference in > > the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will admit. > > gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired internal > > cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal wiring > > was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did A&B > > tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing the > > rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not affective > > if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you would > > expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower since the > > drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that point). > > we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure it, but > > the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before and after > > speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences should > > not have had an effect. > > > > Herb.... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 17 21:15:15 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:15:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004c01c0af1e$fd44d440$03021fac@brianm> R.J. Go to Audiogon, into their Audiophile Forums and you can also post your question there. I was looking into tuners also a few months back and received some great help from people. There are some with a wealth of knowledge on the subject. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > build one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > Hi, > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, > Any > > advice would be greatly appreciated. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 21:26:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:26:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0aecb$e9e70740$663442cf@sank1> <000801c0ae37$c7c848c0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014e01c0af20$8a34bc20$663442cf@sank1> The Marantz 120 was a pretty good tuner, although rather unreliable. The NJM703(LM703, & various other "xx703" versions) was a very simple IC, with no more than half a dozen transistors. So, I think a one-xstor IF stage is in no practical terms inferior. The 2325 receiver was made I think in the same year, so not a surprise it is nearly identical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > Hi Stephen, > > I need to change my paradigm of the word 'changer' ...I bought this one > solely because it is the only single player Nak available at the store 3 > years ago. > > The tuner is an old 120B, with malfunctioning discriminator amp (one extra > rare NJM703W - not found yet), and worse, with low-output IF amp section - > all stations muted ! On top of that the tuner is way off alignment in > front end and mpx section. It was hell - but that is the only marantz tuner > I ever seen in so many years (lots of receivers but no tuner) and I got it > for $50, so that's worth the effort. Replaced all caps on IF board, copied > the marantz 2325 discriminator section ... voila ! It works well and sounds > fabulous : crystal clear. > > I hope the oscilloscope still have a few years left. It's so cool ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: It's amazing that the 2325 tuner section is very very similar to 120B > (except the discrim uses a 3 cent 2SC828). I wonder if the NJM703W makes a > huge difference. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > Unfortunately, Nak has devoted the better electronics to the musicbank > > players since it's inception. Even the 1000MB @$6000 was a changer. So, > > the best sounding single CD Nak remains the OMS-7AII/5AII from the '80's. > > The later singles have been mediocre at best. > > Which Marantz tuner? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Mar 17 21:29:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:29:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AB3C935.B2AD10C2@pacbell.net> Stephen, there was a very low profile tandberg tuner (from the 80's) I think that was supposed to be one of the best ever tuners made? Does it not belong on your list. I have been looking for 1 based on what I remember sellers/reviewers of that era saying about it. Should I end my search for it? Stephen Sank wrote: > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > build one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > Hi, > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, > Any > > advice would be greatly appreciated. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 17 21:36:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:36:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: <4e.12e9fc77.27e524bf@aol.com> Incredible! This deck is at least 16 years old and commands this price. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222249893 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 17 21:39:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:39:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... Message-ID: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> Here's a rare find these days.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 21:49:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:49:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <3AB3C935.B2AD10C2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <017c01c0af23$c3f67900$663442cf@sank1> You refer to the Tandberg 3001A. I've worked on(yes, I specialise in Tandberg, too) & listened to lots of them & never got the appeal or them. Drastically over-complicated MPX circuit & a very dry sound, to my ears. Reliability is less than it should be, too. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Stephen, > > there was a very low profile tandberg tuner (from the 80's) I think that was supposed > to be one of the best ever tuners made? Does it not belong on your list. I have been > looking for 1 based on what I remember sellers/reviewers of that era saying about it. > Should I end my search for it? > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite > > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for > > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any > > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube > > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner > > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > > build one. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, > > Any > > > advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Sat Mar 17 21:51:48 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:51:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AB3CE64.3D0E7F7C@chello.at> Hi Stephen, .... and what about the ReVox Tuners? Did you forget them? :-))) Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 17 23:01:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:01:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 References: <4e.12e9fc77.27e524bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c0af2d$c734f6a0$73232ac4@coqui.net> As long as crazy people continue paying crazy amount of money for gear like that, sellers will continue doing easy profits everyday. That's the same story with the audio cables and wires: as long as people continue paying $1,000 + for a pair of 1 meter interconnects, why not continue supplying them ? I guess, we are all in the same asylum ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 > Incredible! This deck is at least 16 years old and commands this price. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222249893 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 17 22:02:17 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:02:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <3AB3C935.B2AD10C2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <006201c0af25$8e572360$03021fac@brianm> Bitri, Excuse my interupting, we all have our opinions, from looking into tuners, IMO, there are a number of other tuners that easily fall into "top" tuners, such as those by Magnum Dynalab and Fanfare, though not cheap. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Stephen, > > there was a very low profile tandberg tuner (from the 80's) I think that was supposed > to be one of the best ever tuners made? Does it not belong on your list. I have been > looking for 1 based on what I remember sellers/reviewers of that era saying about it. > Should I end my search for it? > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite > > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for > > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any > > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube > > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner > > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > > build one. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, > > Any > > > advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 22:17:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:17:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <3AB3CE64.3D0E7F7C@chello.at> Message-ID: <019801c0af27$9ed1aa60$663442cf@sank1> Didn't forget the Revox tuners. It's just been too long since I've heard one to include it in the list. Gotta follow them Stereophile rules, ya know. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Hi Stephen, > > .... and what about the ReVox Tuners? > Did you forget them? :-))) > > Wolfgang > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 17 22:12:42 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:12:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <3AB3C935.B2AD10C2@pacbell.net> <017c01c0af23$c3f67900$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <035801c0af27$02ef5ac0$03021fac@brianm> BTW, besides the afore mentioned Nak ST-7 as a good tuner to pick up relatively inexpensive used, I have also heard good about the Carver TX-11, I see these frequently around $300. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 17 23:14:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:14:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) References: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> <3AB3A03E.D1C6ED28@pacbell.net> <013701c0af1e$f1791d60$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004001c0af2f$98165ce0$73232ac4@coqui.net> Speaking of speakers !, I agree with Stephen here. When you make a living out of pro audio as I has been doing for the last 20 years, you learn under the best guidance ever made: real life university. I have seen how many companies like B&W, Thiel and many others sell speakers at outrageous prices and when you sum all the parts it hardly comes to 1/4 of the total cost, HINT: you are paying for the cabinet and name ! It is the same as components: can you telll me why such a single design as the Nak 500 sounds so good? Better than those theoretically superior like an expensive Technics or Denon. Well, simply because it is not what parts you use , but how you use them. You take 2 engineers. Give them the same parts and let them developed their own design. I bet you 100 bucks that one of them will come sounding much better than the other and don't be surprised if the one with more THD please you more and sounds more musical. That's life ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > Actually, circuit board foil, when copper & enameled, is a pretty decent > "wire", as long as it is wide enough to have enough guage for the current > it's passing(which is why it usually sucks for speaker crossovers). Since > it is thin & flat, it's like a small & less pure version of Alpha-Core > Goertz foil wire, which is very decent. > It certainly is appalling what most speaker manufacturers consider "good" > crossover parts & internal wiring. Even on the Nautilus line, at the price > of a really nice used Mercedes, B&W still uses round-wire inductors(full of > hysterisis distortion), even though they have finally started using nice > capacitors, and they still use too-small Monster cable for wire. Then there > are companies like Thiel & Paradigm, who proudly display their crossovers in > their ads, despite being full of obviously cheap components, with far too > much complexity to have a chance of sounding transparent. My philosophy of > speaker building is 1)best possible components & wiring, and 2)simplest > crossover possible. If I find that a driver needs any kind of compensation > elements(Zobel networks, resistors, etc.) in the crossover at all to match > the other drivers, I abandon it & find a driver that doesn't require any. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > > > Dear Naktalkers, > > > > This is where I have to jump in to the interconnect/speaker cable debate. > When one > > considers the pathways that exist before and after any interconnect (foil > pc boards > > both in the electronics and often in the crossover assemblies of > loudspeakers and that > > thinner than hair protection fuse and the often cheap/thin wiring inside a > > loudspeaker) one has to consider that a circuit can only be as good as > it's weakest > > link. > > > > There is an excellent article in the most recent Listener magazine about > the > > interconnect debate which finishes with plans to make interconnects with > magnet wire > > and other components all available from Radioshack (I did not build them > because they > > will be ugly and delicate for my Guerilla hands). One excellent point the > author > > makes is that crossovers should not be hidden inside loudspeakers and the > "dirty > > little secret" about why is most revealing--extremely cheap <$1.00 and > non-hard-wired > > parts in exotic/expensive loudspeakers. Run a kilowatt through these > "weak links" and > > think of the stress on these frail pathways! > > > > This is just a hobbyist's point of view offered to draw out the thoughts > of > > professionals like Stephen, Carlos, etc. > > > > As a hobbyist hifi ebayseller, much like an auto mechanic, the last place > I want to > > look when I go home is under the hood. Always remember to enjoy the > music! and happy > > Saintpatrick'sday > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Brian Stocker, enjoyer of the most decadent portable stereo ever built (I > think), nak > > 250/-ads/2002 in an anvilcase! > > > > Herb Chong wrote: > > > > > there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't > know. > > > for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and > > > non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the most > > > distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. this > is > > > best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape > where > > > the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin as a > > > good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared to > the > > > CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just good > ears > > > with no threshold shift nor phase differences. > > > > > > hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a difference in > > > the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will admit. > > > gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired > internal > > > cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal wiring > > > was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did A&B > > > tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing the > > > rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not > affective > > > if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you > would > > > expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower since > the > > > drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that > point). > > > we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure it, > but > > > the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before and > after > > > speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences > should > > > not have had an effect. > > > > > > Herb.... > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 17 23:18:39 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:18:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <3AB3CE64.3D0E7F7C@chello.at> Message-ID: <004c01c0af30$3892a700$73232ac4@coqui.net> I know this guy, my friend, that call himself "the tuner guy". He is a Tuner collector and told me that Revox tuners are top in his list. I can't tell you because I accept that my opinion is biased: I love Revox gear, except for some ridiculous un-reliable designs (very few, of course). 8 out of 10 rec. studios use Revox decks, but that is a very different story. I can tell you, thoug, that the re-sale value of Revox tuners are pretty good, specially if the condition is mint. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Hi Stephen, > > .... and what about the ReVox Tuners? > Did you forget them? :-))) > > Wolfgang > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 17 23:20:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:20:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> Message-ID: <005401c0af30$81720c40$73232ac4@coqui.net> Sure is. Everything is corrcet , except for the original price. The 700 ZXE was well under $3,000. The 700 ZXL was $3,000 and the 1000 ZXL was $3,600. That was in 1982. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > Here's a rare find these days.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 17 22:27:04 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:27:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00ec01c0af29$03a5eea0$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Stephen, Wasn't there a Yamaha 7000 that was their top of the line many years back. I remember it get rave reviews from Angus McKenzie in Hi-Fi News at the time. Also a Kenwood (Trio in UK) Tuner, something like an 8300 that was very sensitive. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My favorite > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but for > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to tube > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > build one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > Hi, > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising results? > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba, > Any > > advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 22:41:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:41:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> <005401c0af30$81720c40$73232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <01b601c0af2b$06bbcf40$663442cf@sank1> The 1982 Nak price list had: 700ZXE $2400, 700ZXL $2800, 1000ZXL $3800 & I think the Dragon was way down around $1500 or so. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > Sure is. Everything is corrcet , except for the original price. The 700 ZXE > was well under $3,000. The 700 ZXL was $3,000 and the 1000 ZXL was $3,600. > That was in 1982. > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 17 22:40:55 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:40:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0aecb$e9e70740$663442cf@sank1> <000801c0ae37$c7c848c0$52289bca@smarzuki> <014e01c0af20$8a34bc20$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00f601c0af2a$f2786e80$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Stephen, What models of Marantz Tuners have scopes? Is it just the top of the line models. Nobody here as mentioned the Sequerra Tuner, surely the mother of all tuners. Stephen have you ever been under the hood of one of those babies? They had one on the shelf at Opus One in downtown Pittsburgh years ago. Expensive then and probably worth much more today! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) > The Marantz 120 was a pretty good tuner, although rather unreliable. The > NJM703(LM703, & various other "xx703" versions) was a very simple IC, with > no more than half a dozen transistors. So, I think a one-xstor IF stage is > in no practical terms inferior. The 2325 receiver was made I think in the > same year, so not a surprise it is nearly identical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > I need to change my paradigm of the word 'changer' ...I bought this one > > solely because it is the only single player Nak available at the store 3 > > years ago. > > > > The tuner is an old 120B, with malfunctioning discriminator amp (one extra > > rare NJM703W - not found yet), and worse, with low-output IF amp section - > > all stations muted ! On top of that the tuner is way off alignment in > > front end and mpx section. It was hell - but that is the only marantz > tuner > > I ever seen in so many years (lots of receivers but no tuner) and I got it > > for $50, so that's worth the effort. Replaced all caps on IF board, > copied > > the marantz 2325 discriminator section ... voila ! It works well and > sounds > > fabulous : crystal clear. > > > > I hope the oscilloscope still have a few years left. It's so cool ! > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > PS: It's amazing that the 2325 tuner section is very very similar to 120B > > (except the discrim uses a 3 cent 2SC828). I wonder if the NJM703W makes > a > > huge difference. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Nak has devoted the better electronics to the musicbank > > > players since it's inception. Even the 1000MB @$6000 was a changer. > So, > > > the best sounding single CD Nak remains the OMS-7AII/5AII from the > '80's. > > > The later singles have been mediocre at best. > > > Which Marantz tuner? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> Message-ID: <010201c0af2b$902ac330$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Sam, Not far away from my 700 II for $450.00 What are you waiting for :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > Here's a rare find these days.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 22:53:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:53:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <82.84a5e20.27e4cf13@aol.com> <012b01c0af1c$e544a480$663442cf@sank1> <00ec01c0af29$03a5eea0$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <01c001c0af2c$c4674d20$663442cf@sank1> Forgot about that one. Can't remember all the good ones off the top of my head, you know. Yes, the CT-7000 Yamaha was a nice tuner, as were the T-1 & T-2(which was pretty sexy looking, too). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Stephen, > > Wasn't there a Yamaha 7000 that was their top of the line many years back. > I remember it get rave reviews from Angus McKenzie in Hi-Fi News at the > time. Also a Kenwood (Trio in UK) Tuner, something like an 8300 that was > very sensitive. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > The Nak ST-7 is one of my top recommendations to anyone asking about > > non-heinously-expensive solid state tuners, along with the (believe it or > > not) Yamaha T80/T85(seen these as cheap as $100 fairly often). My > favorite > > SS tuner, though, is the Nak 630, not necessarily about it's sound, but > for > > it's looks & feel. Love that tuning dial. The 430 was also a nice little > > tuner. But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending > > order are the(all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71(especially with some > > modding by me), Marantz 10B(far more expensive than the MR71 for no good > > reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110(tuner/preamp), MR65B, MR80(digital SS), > > MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, > > followed by just about any other tube tuner post-1960 & then just about > any > > other ss tuner falls under them. As you can see, I am very partial to > tube > > tuners, but mainly due to their multiplex & output circuits. My ideal > tuner > > would be an MR80 with an MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll > > build one. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anybody know of an inexpensive tuner, with promising > results? > > > Are Nakamichi Tuners very good? I am using a Dynaco FM-5, and a > Toshiba, > > Any > > > advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, R.J. > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Mar 17 22:55:51 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... In-Reply-To: <01b601c0af2b$06bbcf40$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > > > -Sam > > > WARNING!!!!!! Avoid this seller at ebay. I had a bad NAK ebay experience with him. JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 17 23:21:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:21:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <008601c0ade0$ecb8fdc0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0aecb$e9e70740$663442cf@sank1> <000801c0ae37$c7c848c0$52289bca@smarzuki> <014e01c0af20$8a34bc20$663442cf@sank1> <00f601c0af2a$f2786e80$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <01d401c0af30$a8b81060$663442cf@sank1> I don't much care for the Sequerra & Magnam tuners for sound. Pull stations great, but, like most ss tuners, sterile sound & for way too much money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) > Stephen, > > What models of Marantz Tuners have scopes? Is it just the top of the line > models. > > Nobody here as mentioned the Sequerra Tuner, surely the mother of all > tuners. Stephen have you ever been under the hood of one of those babies? > They had one on the shelf at Opus One in downtown Pittsburgh years ago. > Expensive then and probably worth much more today! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player(on to tuners) > > > > The Marantz 120 was a pretty good tuner, although rather unreliable. The > > NJM703(LM703, & various other "xx703" versions) was a very simple IC, with > > no more than half a dozen transistors. So, I think a one-xstor IF stage > is > > in no practical terms inferior. The 2325 receiver was made I think in the > > same year, so not a surprise it is nearly identical. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > I need to change my paradigm of the word 'changer' ...I bought this one > > > solely because it is the only single player Nak available at the store 3 > > > years ago. > > > > > > The tuner is an old 120B, with malfunctioning discriminator amp (one > extra > > > rare NJM703W - not found yet), and worse, with low-output IF amp > section - > > > all stations muted ! On top of that the tuner is way off alignment in > > > front end and mpx section. It was hell - but that is the only marantz > > tuner > > > I ever seen in so many years (lots of receivers but no tuner) and I got > it > > > for $50, so that's worth the effort. Replaced all caps on IF board, > > copied > > > the marantz 2325 discriminator section ... voila ! It works well and > > sounds > > > fabulous : crystal clear. > > > > > > I hope the oscilloscope still have a few years left. It's so cool ! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > PS: It's amazing that the 2325 tuner section is very very similar to > 120B > > > (except the discrim uses a 3 cent 2SC828). I wonder if the NJM703W > makes > > a > > > huge difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Nak has devoted the better electronics to the musicbank > > > > players since it's inception. Even the 1000MB @$6000 was a changer. > > So, > > > > the best sounding single CD Nak remains the OMS-7AII/5AII from the > > '80's. > > > > The later singles have been mediocre at best. > > > > Which Marantz tuner? > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 18 00:15:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:15:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Message-ID: <41.8e2468d.27e549f4@aol.com> Hi John, I have a Yamaha receiver and for what's it worth the Tuner is excellent. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 18 00:25:01 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:25:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) Message-ID: <200103171825_MC2-C935-5BAB@compuserve.com> my B&W crossover circuit board is OK, but only OK. i wasn't going to go to the trouble of building a high quality replacement to match each driver. a funny side light to B&W speakers was that, even with the exchange rate at the time of something like 25%, the numerical dollar list price of the speakers in America was higher than in Canada, where i lived at the time and bought them. (i.e. $1.25 Can = $1 US). sadly, i've had far too little and energy to buy much more on my stereo since then except a CD player in 1990, when i finally thought they sounded good enough to make it worthwhile, and 1992, when i bought my used 700ZXL and NR-200. far too many other things kept me distracterd. the time is slowly coming up to being able to indulge again. i'll be in touch in a month or so about my 700ZXL, Stephen, to restart the talks about having the deck "Sank"tified. 8-) Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sun Mar 18 00:31:01 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:31:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS In-Reply-To: <41.8e2468d.27e549f4@aol.com> Message-ID: I also have, among other toys, a Yamaha receiver (RX-992) and the tuner section is great. It is a much, much better tuner section than Nakamichi TA-2A receiver, or the tuner sections in my son's Technics SA-GX650 receiver (actually, I like Grundig YachtBoy 400 more than the Nak). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Sat, March 17, 2001 5:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Hi John, I have a Yamaha receiver and for what's it worth the Tuner is excellent. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 18 00:33:46 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:33:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Message-ID: <200103171833_MC2-C935-5BC5@compuserve.com> Carlos, not all collectors collect because of good sound. some people collect cars without ever intending to drive them, even if they are not historical, but because other people collect them. i have a few Sheffield Lab Direct to Disk records still sealed but i bought them two at a time so i could listen to one. sometimes the music was strange, but the sound was always outrageously good. i have a few UHQRs too, but none sealed. the only rare one of that i have is Dark Side of the Moon, but it has built up a little noise over the years. sadly, where i live now, the floor does not permit one to successfully play vinyl. very old construction makes for bouncy everything. someday again. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 18 00:43:28 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:43:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Message-ID: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> does anyone know what is the ligt buib used by the Yamaha T-1 to light the tuning light's scale so that you knew when the tuner was receiving a strong enough to unmute? i've always had this phobia about opening tuners because of the RF shielding all over the place that gets disturbed on some tuners. the manuals from those days had schematics, but not some simple specifications like this. i notice that Yamaha has started the process of scanning every owners manual they ever made and making them available. i have a PDF now of my old CA-2010 integrated aimplifier. it's still what i use, but it has been extensively modded. good basic design with shortcuts made on the components selection. all replaced now except for some critical capacitors in strange values. yes, all the resistors were replaced too. it was fun to do and all i could afford at the time. under very good conditions, it was possible to hear the difference between Class A and Class AB operation, both were very, very good, but Class A just a bit better. just. it has a terrific MC head amplifier built in too. sadly, the switches are wearing and oxidizing after more than 20 years. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 18 00:46:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:46:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Great decks website... Message-ID: Enjoy! I will try to translate if interested... http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 18 00:48:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:48:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS Message-ID: <85.84bd47b.27e551d8@aol.com> Hi Stan, I know no one likes receivers anymore, but I have truly been blessed by my Yamaha R-9. Unfortunately, I no longer have the remote control and according to Yamaha they don't make it anymore. Glad to know there are other Yamaha receiver users out there - I was beginning to feel alone. :-( -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 18 00:57:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:57:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Stereo Equipment Message-ID: <20.137bc094.27e553f2@aol.com> I thought you all would find this website interesting...enjoy! -Sam http://www.oaktreeent.com/hi-fi_.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sun Mar 18 01:25:50 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:25:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00a101c0af41$fced0260$048ee2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks. I found a brochure for the MB-1s - MB-4s players this evening. The one I've seen for sale isn't an "s", if I remember correctly (I'll check on Monday). What's the difference between them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful > when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as the > mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the tray's > disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so many > MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't > remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in good > shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > What about the MB-2? There is one for sale locally here in Jersey > (Channel > > Islands) for about $350 although it might go for less as the shop has had > it > > for some time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best sounding > Nak > > > CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of > > > Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit quickly, > > they > > > were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that came > > > after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit cloudy > > > sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's very > > > tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. Damned > > > reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded much > > > better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near as > > > reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility of > > > digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I > was > > > > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T Tube > > > output > > > > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something better. > > A > > > > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for > > about > > > > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 04:01:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:01:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <021e01c0af57$bf980340$663442cf@sank1> Been too long since I've been into a T-1 to recall what sort of lamps it used, but you needn't have any fear of opening it up. There's nothing at all delicate about it. It's a tank. On your old switches & pots, find a spray lubricant called "Triflow" from Sherwin-Williams to clean & lub them. I like it better than Caig products. Can't remember where I found it this last time. Might have been Home Depot or some place like that. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > does anyone know what is the ligt buib used by the Yamaha T-1 to light the > tuning light's scale so that you knew when the tuner was receiving a strong > enough to unmute? i've always had this phobia about opening tuners because > of the RF shielding all over the place that gets disturbed on some tuners. > the manuals from those days had schematics, but not some simple > specifications like this. > > i notice that Yamaha has started the process of scanning every owners > manual they ever made and making them available. i have a PDF now of my old > CA-2010 integrated aimplifier. it's still what i use, but it has been > extensively modded. good basic design with shortcuts made on the components > selection. all replaced now except for some critical capacitors in strange > values. yes, all the resistors were replaced too. it was fun to do and all > i could afford at the time. under very good conditions, it was possible to > hear the difference between Class A and Class AB operation, both were very, > very good, but Class A just a bit better. just. it has a terrific MC head > amplifier built in too. sadly, the switches are wearing and oxidizing after > more than 20 years. > > Herb.... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 04:09:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:09:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <00a101c0af41$fced0260$048ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <022801c0af58$d8210780$663442cf@sank1> Not much difference. The "s" models made the tray do a little shuffle on the way in, to settle the disc into place before closing, just in case you missed. Still, I've had to work on as many of those mechs as the pevious MB- series. Find yourself a CDPlayer 1 or 2, if you want a great sounding & reliable Nak CD. Otherwise, I very, very highly recommend getting a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 or CLD-3080 laserdisc player. I have a 95, and it's twin Analog Devices AD1860(or 1862?) 20bit DAC's make it sound not much inferior to my $2k Museatex BiDAT DAC unit. The 95 as a standalone CD player absolutely smoked the Krell KAV-300CD(what is it, $4k?) & easily sounded as good, if not better than the $20k KPS-25C(think I remembered that model right). Have to say it's the best sounding CD player I've ever heard, not that I have heard them all. And certainly one of the best CD transports ever, too. The only functional difference between the CLD-3080 & the CLD-95, besides cosmetics, is the 95's brushless spindle motor, which is many times more durable than the brush motor of the 3080. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Thanks. I found a brochure for the MB-1s - MB-4s players this evening. The > one I've seen for sale isn't an "s", if I remember correctly (I'll check on > Monday). What's the difference between them? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful > > when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as the > > mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the tray's > > disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so many > > MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't > > remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in > good > > shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > What about the MB-2? There is one for sale locally here in Jersey > > (Channel > > > Islands) for about $350 although it might go for less as the shop has > had > > it > > > for some time. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best sounding > > Nak > > > > CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of > > > > Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit > quickly, > > > they > > > > were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that came > > > > after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit > cloudy > > > > sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's > very > > > > tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. > Damned > > > > reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded > much > > > > better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near > as > > > > reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility of > > > > digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. I > > was > > > > > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T > Tube > > > > output > > > > > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something > better. > > > A > > > > > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC for > > > about > > > > > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Mar 18 07:34:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:34:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player Message-ID: <2d.8edc1fc.27e5b0f0@aol.com> Yes Stephen, the Pioneer Elite series was very nice. Do you recommend the tuner and amp? I almost purchased the CD player before I left Europe - a very nice machine! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 09:02:48 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:02:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> <021e01c0af57$bf980340$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004c01c0aeb8$aa7e6700$53289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, Do you still remember whether T1 uses old rotary variable cap for front end or newer varicap 'diode' ? I heard that some dynamics lost due to this newer method - and seems like my old Trio 3100 / 3300 (very basic model) has more 'punch' than a yamaha rx 890 tuner part. Or is it because of the decoder ? Which area do you attribute more to a tuner's sound quality ? front end, if amp or decoder ? I thought IF amp should not matter but it looks like biggest difference between SR4 and RE1/ Yam 890 is on the IF chip (dedicated fm LA1235 vs combo fm/am LA 1266). Everything is similarly set to 'wide' and 50usec (for my country). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > Been too long since I've been into a T-1 to recall what sort of lamps it > used, but you needn't have any fear of opening it up. There's nothing at > all delicate about it. It's a tank. On your old switches & pots, find a > spray lubricant called "Triflow" from Sherwin-Williams to clean & lub them. > I like it better than Caig products. Can't remember where I found it this > last time. Might have been Home Depot or some place like that. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 09:13:59 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:13:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <006701c0aeba$9ede6920$53289bca@smarzuki> Herb, Do you have to turn your Yamaha amp off to switch class A / AB ? I looked at an Esotec / marantz PM-5 and they have the class A switch on front panel. Any experience on this esotec amp ? I don't "like" the sound of my 2325 amp part, but maybe this 'ES' series is different ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > does anyone know what is the ligt buib used by the Yamaha T-1 to light the > tuning light's scale so that you knew when the tuner was receiving a strong > enough to unmute? i've always had this phobia about opening tuners because > of the RF shielding all over the place that gets disturbed on some tuners. > the manuals from those days had schematics, but not some simple > specifications like this. > > i notice that Yamaha has started the process of scanning every owners > manual they ever made and making them available. i have a PDF now of my old > CA-2010 integrated aimplifier. it's still what i use, but it has been > extensively modded. good basic design with shortcuts made on the components > selection. all replaced now except for some critical capacitors in strange > values. yes, all the resistors were replaced too. it was fun to do and all > i could afford at the time. under very good conditions, it was possible to > hear the difference between Class A and Class AB operation, both were very, > very good, but Class A just a bit better. just. it has a terrific MC head > amplifier built in too. sadly, the switches are wearing and oxidizing after > more than 20 years. > > Herb.... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 09:37:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:37:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <2d.8edc1fc.27e5b0f0@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c0af86$9b68f7c0$343442cf@sank1> The high-end Pioneer CD players were quite good transports, but none of them as good a transport or near as good a stand-alone CD player as the CLD-95/3080 LD/CD player. The CLD-95 was the last of their LD players to have both multi-bit DAC's & a beatiful brushless spindle motor(much more massive than their CD players's motors). All players that followed were rapidly downhill on both sound & build quality. Wouldn't touch a new one of any variety. The only hitch on the 95 or 3080 as a transport is that they are optical-only as stock, so one must install a good coax RCA or BNC output to take full advantage for external DAC use. Many of the preamps & amps were quite nicely built, but I have never given any of them a serious listen, nor have I looked at the current line. The Elite receivers were & are crap, as are most of the Elite cassette decks. The only decent tuner I've seen was the F-91, which was still not even as good as a Yamaha T-80. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Yes Stephen, the Pioneer Elite series was very nice. Do you recommend the > tuner and amp? I almost purchased the CD player before I left Europe - a > very nice machine! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 09:41:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:41:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> <021e01c0af57$bf980340$663442cf@sank1> <004c01c0aeb8$aa7e6700$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000f01c0af87$49cd2200$343442cf@sank1> The T-1 is a standard air-variable capacitor front end. I can't recall a single non-digital Yamaha tuner that uses varactor tuning. No effect on sound quality either way, though. The IF circuits will have an effect on the S/N, distortion & audio bandwidth, as will the discriminator(part of most IF chips), but the MPX & any amp stages that come after determine about 90 percent of the sound quality, in my opinion. Hence, my desire for a McIntosh MR80 with an MR71's MPX & output circuits. The LA1266 is clearly an inferior chip to the LA1235 & surely has a negative effect on the sound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > Stephen, > > Do you still remember whether T1 uses old rotary variable cap for front end > or newer varicap 'diode' ? I heard that some dynamics lost due to this > newer method - and seems like my old Trio 3100 / 3300 (very basic model) has > more 'punch' than a yamaha rx 890 tuner part. Or is it because of the > decoder ? > > Which area do you attribute more to a tuner's sound quality ? front end, if > amp or decoder ? I thought IF amp should not matter but it looks like > biggest difference between SR4 and RE1/ Yam 890 is on the IF chip (dedicated > fm LA1235 vs combo fm/am LA 1266). Everything is similarly set to 'wide' > and 50usec (for my country). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > Been too long since I've been into a T-1 to recall what sort of lamps it > > used, but you needn't have any fear of opening it up. There's nothing at > > all delicate about it. It's a tank. On your old switches & pots, find a > > spray lubricant called "Triflow" from Sherwin-Williams to clean & lub > them. > > I like it better than Caig products. Can't remember where I found it this > > last time. Might have been Home Depot or some place like that. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 18 12:04:13 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:04:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS and deck noise Message-ID: <200103180604_MC2-C921-9D6A@compuserve.com> nope. electronic switching between A and AB mode. clipped horribly if you were above the 30W/ch limit of the amp. some compromises made because of it, of course, but not enough to be something i could tell the difference on. from what i can tell in my schematic of the T-1, virtually nothing was in an IC. of the two ICs visible in the schematic, one is for the record calibration tone generator and the other appears to be in the stereo decoder. i'm years out of practice and i had help when i was working on my amp. back to a more Nak topic. i can hear a very slight whine from what appears to be subharmonics of the digital cirtcuitry in my 700ZXL. it's well down near the level of the tape noise, but still audible if i record without Dolby. is this normal? Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 15:25:14 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:25:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem Message-ID: <009e01c0aeee$6ca9f120$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen + Kent + all, There's a discussion about this popcorn noise awhile ago. I recently had a chance to try a 680zx ... with exactly this noise - but most clearly heard when recording. It uses ua7300, would that be pin to pin compatible with LA2730 ? Also the monitor switch gives a loud pop, contact spray didn't help (probably came from the same dolby amp). Really loved this deck's sound and wonder how good a CR7 can be. Stephen, I can't find a spot to put an OP275 ? Ed said that his all 700II has a warmer sound ... is it because of all discrete ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM PS: Later on I stupidly mis-plugged the display connectors between power supply (+/- 12V & -38V) and the one that go to switch pcb. Ouch !! After some IC swap the display is back to work although not normal yet, whew ! But now there's a loud buzz if use the display. :-( I'll replace every cheap chips & trans tomorrow. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 14:10:49 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:10:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> <021e01c0af57$bf980340$663442cf@sank1> <004c01c0aeb8$aa7e6700$53289bca@smarzuki> <000f01c0af87$49cd2200$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009d01c0aeee$6a893400$52289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, Almost got myself a nice T1 and cancelled - because I was looking for air-variable instead of varactor and the owner told me it has standard varactor tuning. I read about that front-end loss of dynamics (isn't that equal to s/n ?) from marantztalk ... oops. BTW, do you know any online store that carries NJM703W ? I found a LM703UA locally and it only has 6 pins as opposed to 8 pins. Web search returned zip. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Don't you guys go to sleep ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > The T-1 is a standard air-variable capacitor front end. I can't recall a > single non-digital Yamaha tuner that uses varactor tuning. No effect on > sound quality either way, though. The IF circuits will have an effect on > the S/N, distortion & audio bandwidth, as will the discriminator(part of > most IF chips), but the MPX & any amp stages that come after determine about > 90 percent of the sound quality, in my opinion. Hence, my desire for a > McIntosh MR80 with an MR71's MPX & output circuits. The LA1266 is clearly > an inferior chip to the LA1235 & surely has a negative effect on the sound. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Mar 18 15:40:07 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:40:07 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FE7@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Straight to the point, Carlos! You just took the words out of my mouth. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 > > As long as crazy people continue paying crazy amount of money for gear > like > that, sellers will continue doing easy profits everyday. That's the same > story with the audio cables and wires: as long as people continue paying > $1,000 + for a pair of 1 meter interconnects, why not continue supplying > them ? > > I guess, we are all in the same asylum ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 > > > > Incredible! This deck is at least 16 years old and commands this price. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222249893 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Mar 18 15:47:18 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:47:18 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F425FE8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> In part, this is exactly what I was going (and I'm still going) to translate for you from the book of the Insider. There're just more details to it. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > Speaking of speakers !, I agree with Stephen here. When you make a > living > out of pro audio as I has been doing for the last 20 years, you learn > under > the best guidance ever made: real life university. > > I have seen how many companies like B&W, Thiel and many others sell > speakers > at outrageous prices and when you sum all the parts it hardly comes to 1/4 > of the total cost, HINT: you are paying for the cabinet and name ! > > It is the same as components: can you telll me why such a single design as > the Nak 500 sounds so good? Better than those theoretically superior like > an > expensive Technics or Denon. Well, simply because it is not what parts you > use , but how you use them. You take 2 engineers. Give them the same parts > and let them developed their own design. I bet you 100 bucks that one of > them will come sounding much better than the other and don't be surprised > if > the one with more THD please you more and sounds more musical. > > That's life ! > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > > > Actually, circuit board foil, when copper & enameled, is a pretty decent > > "wire", as long as it is wide enough to have enough guage for the > current > > it's passing(which is why it usually sucks for speaker crossovers). > Since > > it is thin & flat, it's like a small & less pure version of Alpha-Core > > Goertz foil wire, which is very decent. > > It certainly is appalling what most speaker manufacturers consider > "good" > > crossover parts & internal wiring. Even on the Nautilus line, at the > price > > of a really nice used Mercedes, B&W still uses round-wire inductors(full > of > > hysterisis distortion), even though they have finally started using nice > > capacitors, and they still use too-small Monster cable for wire. Then > there > > are companies like Thiel & Paradigm, who proudly display their > crossovers > in > > their ads, despite being full of obviously cheap components, with far > too > > much complexity to have a chance of sounding transparent. My philosophy > of > > speaker building is 1)best possible components & wiring, and 2)simplest > > crossover possible. If I find that a driver needs any kind of > compensation > > elements(Zobel networks, resistors, etc.) in the crossover at all to > match > > the other drivers, I abandon it & find a driver that doesn't require > any. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > > > > > > Dear Naktalkers, > > > > > > This is where I have to jump in to the interconnect/speaker cable > debate. > > When one > > > considers the pathways that exist before and after any interconnect > (foil > > pc boards > > > both in the electronics and often in the crossover assemblies of > > loudspeakers and that > > > thinner than hair protection fuse and the often cheap/thin wiring > inside > a > > > loudspeaker) one has to consider that a circuit can only be as good as > > it's weakest > > > link. > > > > > > There is an excellent article in the most recent Listener magazine > about > > the > > > interconnect debate which finishes with plans to make interconnects > with > > magnet wire > > > and other components all available from Radioshack (I did not build > them > > because they > > > will be ugly and delicate for my Guerilla hands). One excellent point > the > > author > > > makes is that crossovers should not be hidden inside loudspeakers and > the > > "dirty > > > little secret" about why is most revealing--extremely cheap <$1.00 and > > non-hard-wired > > > parts in exotic/expensive loudspeakers. Run a kilowatt through these > > "weak links" and > > > think of the stress on these frail pathways! > > > > > > This is just a hobbyist's point of view offered to draw out the > thoughts > > of > > > professionals like Stephen, Carlos, etc. > > > > > > As a hobbyist hifi ebayseller, much like an auto mechanic, the last > place > > I want to > > > look when I go home is under the hood. Always remember to enjoy the > > music! and happy > > > Saintpatrick'sday > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Brian Stocker, enjoyer of the most decadent portable stereo ever built > (I > > think), nak > > > 250/-ads/2002 in an anvilcase! > > > > > > Herb Chong wrote: > > > > > > > there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't > > know. > > > > for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and > > > > non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the > most > > > > distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. > this > > is > > > > best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape > > where > > > > the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin > as > a > > > > good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared > to > > the > > > > CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just > good > > ears > > > > with no threshold shift nor phase differences. > > > > > > > > hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a > difference > in > > > > the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will > admit. > > > > gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired > > internal > > > > cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal > wiring > > > > was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did > A&B > > > > tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing > the > > > > rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not > > affective > > > > if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you > > would > > > > expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower > since > > the > > > > drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that > > point). > > > > we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure > it, > > but > > > > the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before > and > > after > > > > speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences > > should > > > > not have had an effect. > > > > > > > > Herb.... > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Wed Mar 21 19:03:31 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Is that bridge still for sale?? In-Reply-To: <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hey guys, check out this ad for a smile. This Realistic bulk magnetic eraser is supposed to be able to erase CD's! Hey Ron, is that bridge still for sale?? (It kind of reminds me of a virus "warning" I had forwarded to me recently that said this particular virus was so dangerous that it will permanently damage your hard drive and, amongst other things.....even your speakers!! That must be some virus!!) Roland http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222936819 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 19:26:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:26:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS and deck noise References: <200103180604_MC2-C921-9D6A@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <00f401c0afd8$ef675fe0$343442cf@sank1> Occasionally, I run into a 700ZXL that has low level noise caused by ground path issues. Tends to be noisier in source monitor than in tape monitor. The cure requires a fair amount of experimentation with how the supply, in/out jacks & other boards are chassis grounded(or not). Each one of the few has required a different scheme. The noise is usually more spitty than whiny, so I'm not sure this will be your solution, but I've not yet seen any other similar fault. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS and deck noise > nope. electronic switching between A and AB mode. clipped horribly if you > were above the 30W/ch limit of the amp. some compromises made because of > it, of course, but not enough to be something i could tell the difference > on. from what i can tell in my schematic of the T-1, virtually nothing was > in an IC. of the two ICs visible in the schematic, one is for the record > calibration tone generator and the other appears to be in the stereo > decoder. i'm years out of practice and i had help when i was working on my > amp. > > back to a more Nak topic. i can hear a very slight whine from what appears > to be subharmonics of the digital cirtcuitry in my 700ZXL. it's well down > near the level of the tape noise, but still audible if i record without > Dolby. is this normal? > > Herb.... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 19:34:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:34:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS References: <200103171843_MC2-C935-5BF7@compuserve.com> <021e01c0af57$bf980340$663442cf@sank1> <004c01c0aeb8$aa7e6700$53289bca@smarzuki> <000f01c0af87$49cd2200$343442cf@sank1> <009d01c0aeee$6a893400$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <011901c0afda$0bd650e0$343442cf@sank1> I'm pretty darn sure you will find that the 8-pin 703 has two pins that are either no connection or redundant, as most 703's have 6 pins. The best source I know of for discontinued IC's for audio is http://www.ceitron.com which has a search system that also pops up available substitutes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > Thanks Stephen, > > Almost got myself a nice T1 and cancelled - because I was looking for > air-variable instead of varactor and the owner told me it has standard > varactor tuning. I read about that front-end loss of dynamics (isn't that > equal to s/n ?) from marantztalk ... oops. > > BTW, do you know any online store that carries NJM703W ? I found a LM703UA > locally and it only has 6 pins as opposed to 8 pins. Web search returned > zip. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: Don't you guys go to sleep ? :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > The T-1 is a standard air-variable capacitor front end. I can't recall a > > single non-digital Yamaha tuner that uses varactor tuning. No effect on > > sound quality either way, though. The IF circuits will have an effect on > > the S/N, distortion & audio bandwidth, as will the discriminator(part of > > most IF chips), but the MPX & any amp stages that come after determine > about > > 90 percent of the sound quality, in my opinion. Hence, my desire for a > > McIntosh MR80 with an MR71's MPX & output circuits. The LA1266 is clearly > > an inferior chip to the LA1235 & surely has a negative effect on the > sound. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 18 19:40:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:40:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem References: <009e01c0aeee$6ca9f120$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <011f01c0afda$f0271b80$343442cf@sank1> The LA2730 is a direct plug in replacement for the UA7300. I recently had a 680 with noise when switching tape types & found two bad CMOS switching IC's that select the calibration controls. Might be a similar problem, or a capacitor leaking DC in the signal path. Not sure what you mean about not seeing a spot to put an OP275. Basically, anywhere in a Nak that you see a dual opamp of the TL072 or 4558 variety, you can install an OP275, but it's only beneficial if it's in the signal path, of course. The sound difference in the 700/II is very much because it is discrete. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem > > Hi Stephen + Kent + all, > > There's a discussion about this popcorn noise awhile ago. I recently had a > chance to try a 680zx ... with exactly this noise - but most clearly heard > when recording. It uses ua7300, would that be pin to pin compatible with > LA2730 ? Also the monitor switch gives a loud pop, contact spray didn't > help (probably came from the same dolby amp). > > Really loved this deck's sound and wonder how good a CR7 can be. Stephen, I > can't find a spot to put an OP275 ? Ed said that his all 700II has a warmer > sound ... is it because of all discrete ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > PS: Later on I stupidly mis-plugged the display connectors between power > supply (+/- 12V & -38V) and the one that go to switch pcb. Ouch !! After > some IC swap the display is back to work although not normal yet, whew ! > But now there's a loud buzz if use the display. :-( I'll replace every > cheap chips & trans tomorrow. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 19:51:30 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:51:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is that bridge still for sale?? References: Message-ID: <003301c0af13$4a1fa080$51289bca@smarzuki> Not for metal tape ... do not use near cardiac pacemaker, hmm ... is metal tape tougher to erase than human lifeform ? No wonder I end up with so many worn heads ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" Subject: [naktalk] Is that bridge still for sale?? > Hey guys, check out this ad for a smile. This Realistic bulk magnetic > eraser is supposed to be able to erase CD's! Hey Ron, is that bridge still > for sale?? (It kind of reminds me of a virus "warning" I had forwarded to > me recently that said this particular virus was so dangerous that it will > permanently damage your hard drive and, amongst other things.....even your > speakers!! That must be some virus!!) > > Roland > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222936819 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Mar 18 21:49:59 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:49:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner References: <14206-3AB40E2F-58@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <00b001c0afed$0d07d160$1d021fac@brianm> For whomever was looking for a tuner, I found the ad below. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul lewandoski" Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner > The best tuner I have had in my possecession . Unfortunaly their are no > great radio stations here. Xlnt. cond. with manual $325 > > Shipping info : Paul Lewandoski 145 Loyola av. Ventura Ca. 93003 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 18 23:31:04 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:31:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS and deck noise Message-ID: <200103181731_MC2-C935-7297@compuserve.com> OK, i will have it checked out when i do the rest of the tuneup of the deck. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Mar 19 00:16:09 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:16:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <00a101c0af41$fced0260$048ee2c3@a9u3z8> <022801c0af58$d8210780$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001f01c0b001$6b24bec0$738fe2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks for that, Stephen. Interestingly, there is a Pioneer CLD 925 laserdisc player for sale over here - about £50. I thought about it, but baulked at the optical only output. Still, for the price... I have a Pioneer DVD-909, but that lives in a different room from the main hi-fi. I doubt it's as good as a Pioneer Elite. Still, I have a Pioneer DAT-500 and a CD-R machine, so it would be in good company. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Not much difference. The "s" models made the tray do a little shuffle on > the way in, to settle the disc into place before closing, just in case you > missed. Still, I've had to work on as many of those mechs as the pevious > MB- series. Find yourself a CDPlayer 1 or 2, if you want a great sounding & > reliable Nak CD. Otherwise, I very, very highly recommend getting a Pioneer > Elite CLD-95 or CLD-3080 laserdisc player. I have a 95, and it's twin > Analog Devices AD1860(or 1862?) 20bit DAC's make it sound not much inferior > to my $2k Museatex BiDAT DAC unit. The 95 as a standalone CD player > absolutely smoked the Krell KAV-300CD(what is it, $4k?) & easily sounded as > good, if not better than the $20k KPS-25C(think I remembered that model > right). Have to say it's the best sounding CD player I've ever heard, not > that I have heard them all. And certainly one of the best CD transports > ever, too. The only functional difference between the CLD-3080 & the > CLD-95, besides cosmetics, is the 95's brushless spindle motor, which is > many times more durable than the brush motor of the 3080. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > Thanks. I found a brochure for the MB-1s - MB-4s players this evening. > The > > one I've seen for sale isn't an "s", if I remember correctly (I'll check > on > > Monday). What's the difference between them? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > The MB-2 was almost as good as the CDPlayer2, but you have to be careful > > > when putting discs in the tray that they are set into it properly, as > the > > > mechanism is easily jammed by a disc sitting up on the edge of the > tray's > > > disc mold. I have had to unjam, otherwise repair & re-synchronise so > many > > > MB-x & MB-xS mechanisms that I can almost do them blindfolded. I can't > > > remember ever having to unjam or fix a CDPlayerx mechanism. If it's in > > good > > > shape and under 150 pounds, I'd say it's a fine deal. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > What about the MB-2? There is one for sale locally here in Jersey > > > (Channel > > > > Islands) for about $350 although it might go for less as the shop has > > had > > > it > > > > for some time. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > > > > Short of the 1000MB or Dragon CD, I think that about the best > sounding > > > Nak > > > > > CD was the CD Player 1, which was the first, and best, generation of > > > > > Musicbank changers. Other than wearing their tray belts a bit > > quickly, > > > > they > > > > > were damn reliable players. Much more so than the MB series that > came > > > > > after. The OMS-7/5 players were extremely well built, but a bit > > cloudy > > > > > sounding, and no feasible way to mod for a digital out. Also, it's > > very > > > > > tricky & takes lots of practice to get them tweaked just right. > > Damned > > > > > reliable, once tweaked properly, though. The OMS-7AII/5AII sounded > > much > > > > > better, but they went to a cheaper Sony laser that was no where near > > as > > > > > reliable & no longer available. And they, too, had no possibility > of > > > > > digital output. Of course, they are sexy as all hell. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:41 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what the list thinks of the Nakamichi cd players. > I > > > was > > > > > > thinking possibly an old OMS 7 player. I have a Carver SD/A490T > > Tube > > > > > output > > > > > > player right now....and while it sounds fine, I want something > > better. > > > > A > > > > > > guy around here has a PS Audio Lambda drive with a separate DAC > for > > > > about > > > > > > $600....and I'm thinking about that one too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Mar 19 00:58:38 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:58:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner Message-ID: <30.11fe7d2b.27e6a5ae@aol.com> Is this a Good Tuner? Anyone know? Thanks, R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 01:58:37 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:58:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner References: <30.11fe7d2b.27e6a5ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c0af46$c37d1560$4a289bca@smarzuki> >From what I read ... 9900 is a good ss tuner and also good looking just like some Kenwoods i.e 7500 / 8300 models. However, big and bulky compared to the sleek sexy Yamaha T1 which go for $100-$150 recently. Are you looking for analog (usually no memory) or digital tuner ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner > Is this a Good Tuner? Anyone know? Thanks, R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Mar 19 02:45:00 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:45:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner Message-ID: <57.1318ca91.27e6be9c@aol.com> Honestly, I am looking for an affordable tuner, that has really good sound quality. I would be recording alot of FM programs. I now have a Dynaco FM-5, and a Toshiba T-665, both are solid state. Neither is excellent. I kind of like the memory buttons, but they aren't most important to me. Appreciate any input. Thanks, R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Mar 19 02:52:23 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:52:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner References: <30.11fe7d2b.27e6a5ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <00fa01c0b017$3f575bc0$1d021fac@brianm> R.J., I don't know anything about it other than the "vintage" guys really praise it, this is why I passed it along. This person selling it also has a TU-717 for $125 but says it's scratched up. I own a 717, but I can't really report on it as I received it used to get my feet wet before buying my new tuner and it didn't work correctly, it needs some adjustments. As the other person stated, these older tuners are quite large! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner > Is this a Good Tuner? Anyone know? Thanks, R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Mar 19 03:03:34 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:03:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner Message-ID: What kind is your new tuner? Thanks, R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 19 07:45:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:45:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner References: <57.1318ca91.27e6be9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <019201c0b040$2bee31c0$343442cf@sank1> The TU9900 is a reasonably nice tuner, but is both hard to keep running well at it's age & also gets usually $300-400 on the market these days, which is certainly over-valued. Get a Yamaha T-2 if you want a nice analog tuner on a budget. Or T-80/85 for the cheapest, if you don't mind digital. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner > Honestly, I am looking for an affordable tuner, that has really good sound > quality. I would be recording alot of FM programs. I now have a Dynaco > FM-5, and a Toshiba T-665, both are solid state. Neither is excellent. I > kind of like the memory buttons, but they aren't most important to me. > Appreciate any input. Thanks, R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 08:09:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:09:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... Message-ID: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> Hi Stephen, Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are two great decks: Pioneer CT-F1250 http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg Pioneer CT-F950 http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs (e.g., 700, 700 II)? PS I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the decks are very impressive... http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 08:53:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:53:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Check out the tape deck section of this website Message-ID: <7a.1208fc7a.27e714f3@aol.com> Hi All! I "ran" across this website while researching tape decks and wanted to share it with you all. Check out the "Cassette Decks" section: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/1484/audio.htm I wouldn't mind owning that Tandberg TC3014A or a Revox Emotion MkIIB21...any of you ever own one of these decks? How do they compare to the best NAKs? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 08:48:17 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:48:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem References: <009e01c0aeee$6ca9f120$52289bca@smarzuki> <011f01c0afda$f0271b80$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005401c0af81$df736ea0$46289bca@smarzuki> Thanks again Stephen, Now I do see a place for the OPA275 on the line amp path. Some decks put the op amp close to the head (direct coupled ?), that's why I looked at those area first. Also, it was one of the 4066 cmos switch on the indicator pcb that was fried, I'll check the tape switching cmos as it also has some noise. Hope they're not too expensive. Boy, this deck has some real bass compared to CR4 ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem > The LA2730 is a direct plug in replacement for the UA7300. I recently had a > 680 with noise when switching tape types & found two bad CMOS switching IC's > that select the calibration controls. Might be a similar problem, or a > capacitor leaking DC in the signal path. > Not sure what you mean about not seeing a spot to put an OP275. Basically, > anywhere in a Nak that you see a dual opamp of the TL072 or 4558 variety, > you can install an OP275, but it's only beneficial if it's in the signal > path, of course. The sound difference in the 700/II is very much because it > is discrete. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 09:03:06 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:03:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner References: <57.1318ca91.27e6be9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c0af81$e31dd900$46289bca@smarzuki> RJ, I'd go for older models to be safe, nowadays there are some good 'vintage' models on ebay. just be patient and wait for your turn ... :-) I watched a Kenwood KT917 go unnoticed when at the very last minute it fetched $200. Probably a more modern ST7 or Carver unit can also be had for same money. Just make sure that vintage model is in good order as some parts are quite difficult to find ! (a big pain to find a detector coil even for a newer model). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: F.S. Sansui Tu-9900 tuner > Honestly, I am looking for an affordable tuner, that has really good sound > quality. I would be recording alot of FM programs. I now have a Dynaco > FM-5, and a Toshiba T-665, both are solid state. Neither is excellent. I > kind of like the memory buttons, but they aren't most important to me. > Appreciate any input. Thanks, R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 19 09:10:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:10:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... References: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> Message-ID: <01e501c0b04c$169a7c00$343442cf@sank1> The 1250 is a decent mechanism, but that is about all there is to give them merit. Electronically, all those old Pioneer decks were rat's nests & a major bitch to work on. Sound = B- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 09:11:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:11:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... Message-ID: <3b.11efc8ff.27e71930@aol.com> Thanks! Why are these two decks held in such high esteem? Was it the looks and mechanics? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 19 09:39:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:39:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... References: <3b.11efc8ff.27e71930@aol.com> Message-ID: <01fd01c0b050$2ca72e40$343442cf@sank1> An equally mysterious question would be, "Why do people buy anything made by Bob Carver?" Seriously, I don't really know, other than nostalgia & it's feeling of being "built like a tank". More closely built like a 1940's Telefunken table radio. Billions of wires going every which way. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... > Thanks! Why are these two decks held in such high esteem? Was it the looks > and mechanics? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Mar 19 10:14:17 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:14:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001c01c0b054$fde5a140$0100007f@localhost> Hi Ron, > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not I'll disagree. There is MUCH more things that affect the sound of the cable. As an example - even cable's insulations has different sound! And there is much, much more. Misha PS: And of course cables for thousands dollars - BS. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 13:35:25 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:35:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... References: <3b.11efc8ff.27e71930@aol.com> <01fd01c0b050$2ca72e40$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c0afa8$b72389e0$73299bca@smarzuki> Stephen, Does that apply to the (again) TX11 tuner ? Heard all the good stuff about its multipath reduction 'system', the concept sounds okay though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... > An equally mysterious question would be, "Why do people buy anything made by > Bob Carver?" Seriously, I don't really know, other than nostalgia & it's > feeling of being "built like a tank". More closely built like a 1940's > Telefunken table radio. Billions of wires going every which way. > > ----- Original Message ----- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Mar 19 13:48:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:48:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... References: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c0b072$ec9f0a20$c0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I had one of these, purchased new years ago, not a bad deck but certainly no Nak. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI TUNERS > BTW, besides the afore mentioned Nak ST-7 as a good tuner to pick up > relatively inexpensive used, I have also heard good about the Carver TX-11, > I see these frequently around $300. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 19 16:28:22 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> <010201c0af2b$902ac330$c0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <004c01c0b089$4261fce0$482f2ac4@coqui.net> That's right John. I also have a "like new" 700 II with original double carton, manual and schematics for that price too. Perhaps one of the finest example of such a deck this days. Flawless outside and inside. Interested, anyone ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > Sam, > > Not far away from my 700 II for $450.00 What are you waiting for :-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 19 16:44:09 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:44:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> <005401c0af30$81720c40$73232ac4@coqui.net> <01b601c0af2b$06bbcf40$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009f01c0b08b$705f2440$482f2ac4@coqui.net> In the list I have, the 700 ZXL was at $3,000 already but the 1000 was still at $3,600. The Dragon maximum price was $2,195.00 in 1989. The revox B-215 was $2,300.00 and the Tandberg 3014 A was 1,995.00. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > The 1982 Nak price list had: 700ZXE $2400, 700ZXL $2800, 1000ZXL $3800 & I > think the Dragon was way down around $1500 or so. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > Sure is. Everything is corrcet , except for the original price. The 700 > ZXE > > was well under $3,000. The 700 ZXL was $3,000 and the 1000 ZXL was $3,600. > > That was in 1982. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 19 16:51:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:51:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... References: <3b.11efc8ff.27e71930@aol.com> <01fd01c0b050$2ca72e40$343442cf@sank1> <000701c0afa8$b72389e0$73299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <021b01c0b08c$7244dec0$343442cf@sank1> The Nak ST-7's Schotz NR system is much more effective at making weak stations listenable. The TX-11 is an OK tuner. However, it was directly based on the Phase Linear 5000 tuner, which he designed shortly before leaving the company. The service manual was released after he left, apparently, since Dennis Bohn, a friend of my uncle who took over after Carver, put an appendix in the manual of "necessary tools", with photos. The first officially sanctioned servoce tool was a sledge hammer(honest to God), and it degenerated from there. It was hilarious. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy ... > > Stephen, > > Does that apply to the (again) TX11 tuner ? Heard all the good stuff about > its multipath reduction 'system', the concept sounds okay though. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you > would enjoy ... > > > > An equally mysterious question would be, "Why do people buy anything made > by > > Bob Carver?" Seriously, I don't really know, other than nostalgia & it's > > feeling of being "built like a tank". More closely built like a 1940's > > Telefunken table radio. Billions of wires going every which way. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 19 16:53:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:53:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <5b.135234c8.27e52573@aol.com> <005401c0af30$81720c40$73232ac4@coqui.net> <01b601c0af2b$06bbcf40$663442cf@sank1> <009f01c0b08b$705f2440$482f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <022701c0b08c$ba2a0580$343442cf@sank1> Actually, the Dragon made it to $2495 in the 1992 Nak price list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > In the list I have, the 700 ZXL was at $3,000 already but the 1000 was still > at $3,600. The Dragon maximum price was $2,195.00 in 1989. The revox B-215 > was $2,300.00 and the Tandberg 3014 A was 1,995.00. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > The 1982 Nak price list had: 700ZXE $2400, 700ZXL $2800, 1000ZXL $3800 & > I > > think the Dragon was way down around $1500 or so. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlos" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > Sure is. Everything is corrcet , except for the original price. The 700 > > ZXE > > > was well under $3,000. The 700 ZXL was $3,000 and the 1000 ZXL was > $3,600. > > > That was in 1982. > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Mar 19 17:42:44 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:42:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you wouldenjoy this... References: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AB63702.A85B1EA0@pacbell.net> I have a ct-f-1250 that I would sell cheap. The cabinet has a few dings, but the face is in nice shape. It has not been overhauled, but does have a new belt and has been cleaned, demagd, etc. Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:46:01 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:46:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] TEAC V8030-S Message-ID: <3f.1233f1fc.27e791c9@aol.com> Hi everyone, I have a mint, hardly used TEAC V8030-S that I hand carried back from the Akihabara Electric Town in Tokyo. It has an outboard stepdown voltage converter. This one has the black brushed aluminum faceplace, not the gold. It's around 3 years old, but has been in storage for all but six months of that. As some of you might already know, this was TEAC's flagship deck, with three heads, quartz locked dual capstans, dolby b, c, hx pro and dolby S. I think it makes copies very difficult to distinguish from the originals CDs. I'm thinking about listing it on ebay. Can ask all of your expert opinions on how much you think it's worth? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Mar 19 18:49:16 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:49:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl Ltd.spotting Message-ID: <014201c0b09c$ec974fe0$2d021fac@brianm> http://www.audioreview.com/market/messages/68310.shtml Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > Actually, the Dragon made it to $2495 in the 1992 Nak price list. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > In the list I have, the 700 ZXL was at $3,000 already but the 1000 was > still > > at $3,600. The Dragon maximum price was $2,195.00 in 1989. The revox B-215 > > was $2,300.00 and the Tandberg 3014 A was 1,995.00. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > The 1982 Nak price list had: 700ZXE $2400, 700ZXL $2800, 1000ZXL $3800 > & > > I > > > think the Dragon was way down around $1500 or so. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > > > > Sure is. Everything is corrcet , except for the original price. The > 700 > > > ZXE > > > > was well under $3,000. The 700 ZXL was $3,000 and the 1000 ZXL was > > $3,600. > > > > That was in 1982. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:39 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a rare find these days.... > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222672371 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 20:32:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:32:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... Message-ID: <33.12346fcb.27e7b8ca@aol.com> The Tandberg is custom made at $4,500? It looks impressive, but how does it sound? Is it strictly for studio use? At this time, with the advent of digital media taking over it seems like a hefty price for a tape deck. How does this deck compare with the best NAKs? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 20:52:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:52:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] High Fidelity Magazine Reviews online... Message-ID: <32.1226dac8.27e7bd6d@aol.com> Hi All! Ran across this site while surfing and thought it could be useful. Enjoy! -Sam http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/magrevhf2.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 20 01:51:15 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... References: <33.12346fcb.27e7b8ca@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c0b0d7$ff8d9560$36312ac4@coqui.net> Ahh, forget about buying a new one. I believe I paid $600.00 for mine's in very nice condition. It is among the best and besides Nakamichi and Revox, Tandberg would be top in my list. Very natural sounding deck with the fastest winding speed available and excellent for recording purposes. Manual azymuth adjustment for recording only. My opinion: simply one of the best ever made. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > The Tandberg is custom made at $4,500? It looks impressive, but how does it > sound? Is it strictly for studio use? At this time, with the advent of > digital media taking over it seems like a hefty price for a tape deck. How > does this deck compare with the best NAKs? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 20 02:02:52 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:02:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NO WONDER WHY ... References: <7a.1208fc7a.27e714f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0b0d9$7fff3f40$36312ac4@coqui.net> Hello folks: The other day we were speaking about those crazy offers made for anything in this hobby. We clearly pointed out that as long as there were enough crazy people out there paying crazy prices for anything, why not keep supplying them. Well, I found this nice condition 1000 ZXl and the man was asking $850.00 I offered him $800.00 Just 1 hour later the man came back to me a said that the offers were over a grand already ! I replied: I wouldn't be surprised if an enough crazy guy pay you $1,500 for that 15+ years old deck, so, good luck ! As you can see folks, this story repeats itself over and over and over .... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 20 04:00:46 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:00:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 References: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AB6C7DC.623A2E8D@snet.net> I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good sounding decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same vintage. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 20 04:03:22 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:03:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would enjoy this... References: <86.85d1612.27e70ac5@aol.com> <01e501c0b04c$169a7c00$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AB6C878.222ED9B2@snet.net> I would only add that god forbid you accidentally break a wire lead of the barrier strip while removing the transport... you'll be very lucky if you can figure out where it came from... more wiring than you can shake a stick at! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > The 1250 is a decent mechanism, but that is about all there is to give them > merit. Electronically, all those old Pioneer decks were rat's nests & a > major bitch to work on. Sound = B- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would > enjoy this... > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these > are > > two great decks: > > > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > > > Pioneer CT-F950 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them > in > > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > > > PS > > > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > > decks are very impressive... > > > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:29:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:29:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... Message-ID: <87.8696f9c.27e836aa@aol.com> Hi, I wouldn't mind having one of these.. Nakamichi TX-1000 Turntable http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-tx1000.jpg Nakamichi Dragon Turntable http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-dract.jpg Anyone ever owned either of these gems? If yes, what is your opinion of them? Enjoy! -Sam PS Anyone ever owned a Tandberg 3014A? How does it stack up against our NAKs? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 20 06:18:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:18:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... References: <87.8696f9c.27e836aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <004c01c0b0fd$404a4ec0$a03442cf@sank1> I have lust in my heart for a Dragon CT turntable. Between being a superbly designed table & arm, and having the auto-groove-centering system, it's the best table I've ever heard. I've sold several when they were in production, but never could afford to buy one for myself. Someday. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... > Hi, > > I wouldn't mind having one of these.. > > Nakamichi TX-1000 Turntable > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-tx1000.jpg > > Nakamichi Dragon Turntable > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-dract.jpg > > Anyone ever owned either of these gems? If yes, what is your opinion of them? > > Enjoy! > > -Sam > > PS > > Anyone ever owned a Tandberg 3014A? How does it stack up against our NAKs? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 20 07:25:35 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:25:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... References: <87.8696f9c.27e836aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c0b106$9391cd20$81232ac4@coqui.net> I have a 3014 A. Interested ?? Your tape is ready... Better wait for it before comitting towards that CR 7.... Ha, Ha, !!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... > Hi, > > I wouldn't mind having one of these.. > > Nakamichi TX-1000 Turntable > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-tx1000.jpg > > Nakamichi Dragon Turntable > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-dract.jpg > > Anyone ever owned either of these gems? If yes, what is your opinion of them? > > Enjoy! > > -Sam > > PS > > Anyone ever owned a Tandberg 3014A? How does it stack up against our NAKs? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Mar 20 06:50:09 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:50:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TEAC V-8030S Message-ID: <0F43D4CC.625EBFFD.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, ChefBum, I also own this deck and consider it the best in TEAC's line-up. The sound is analytical and very clear, there is plenty of "air". Last I saw it for sale in Internet for something around $700. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 20 13:48:12 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:48:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... References: <87.8696f9c.27e836aa@aol.com> <004c01c0b0fd$404a4ec0$a03442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c0b13c$07220cc0$72232ac4@coqui.net> I agree with you, but I'm happy with my trusted Linn ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... > I have lust in my heart for a Dragon CT turntable. Between being a superbly > designed table & arm, and having the auto-groove-centering system, it's the > best table I've ever heard. I've sold several when they were in production, > but never could afford to buy one for myself. Someday. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:29 PM > Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi... > > > > Hi, > > > > I wouldn't mind having one of these.. > > > > Nakamichi TX-1000 Turntable > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-tx1000.jpg > > > > Nakamichi Dragon Turntable > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/nak-dract.jpg > > > > Anyone ever owned either of these gems? If yes, what is your opinion of > them? > > > > Enjoy! > > > > -Sam > > > > PS > > > > Anyone ever owned a Tandberg 3014A? How does it stack up against our > NAKs? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 15:27:25 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:27:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak Message-ID: Well, Kannan, I couldn't agree more with you, BUT especially for me this is something very hard to do - I live in Bulgaria, there is no local market in high-end hifi equipment to speak of and there are probably alltogether 20-25 Naks in the country constantly changing hands within a small circle of maniacs - we all know each other personally and on first-name basis. Europe doesn't seem much better either, at least it's been very difficult for me to find something interesting at a reasonable (meaning US) price level. I managed to buy an pretty decent Revox B-215 from ebay, but when I added up all the costs of getting it to me from the States I decided not to do a repeat performance. Another reason for my decision was the possibility of receiving something in a considerably worse condition than described - just imagine shipping it back to the US and/or trying to get my money back from halfway across the world. Uh-oh, I think I should cut the sob story short now and turn to my real question: Does anyone have/know of a decent CR-7(E) for sale in Europe, preferably Germany or Austria ? Pls reply off-list. Thanks George Valkov g_valkov at hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:44:49 +0530 (IST) "Stick to Nak as far as possible as Nak used prices are quite low excepting probably 1000ZXL when considering their life expectancy as well as their sound! They are easily serviceable and parts availability is not bad." Kannan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 20 19:02:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:02:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak Message-ID: Very true. No matter how you "shake" it, unless it's a Revox or Tandberg (certain models) your best "bet" is a Nakamichi. Not only are most of them extremely well built and will give years of service, but there is something special about their sound and I believe it is the heads. There are at least 12 different models of NAKs on the used market today that are all different flavors of "excellent." And, you couldn't go wrong with any of these, especially if you let Jeff or Steve work on them. Thanks for the input. I wouldn't mind having a Tandberg 3014A though? (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 20 20:15:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:15:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A Message-ID: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Mar 20 20:41:55 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:41:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A Message-ID: <64.c33f2cd.27e90c83@aol.com> Problem with the Tandberg Stuff is parts. I dont know if heads are available at all. I have a Tandberg TD20A, and a Tandberg TD20A SE, one is half track, the other 1/4 track. I just got lucky and had brand new playhead installed, and the other 2 relapped. But 1/4 track heads are no longer available. Now, im not sure with the 3014A. But High Tech in NY,cannot get 3014 heads, and that is reccommended by the Tandberg Rep here. I have thought about a 3014 A as well, i have a fully restored RX-505 that i am extremely happy with. But being such a Tandberg Freak, i would have loved a 3014A, but Stephen and Jeff both have told me, that my machine is better. So i will not take any chances, especially with parts problems. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 20:40:21 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem References: <009e01c0aeee$6ca9f120$52289bca@smarzuki> <011f01c0afda$f0271b80$343442cf@sank1> <005401c0af81$df736ea0$46289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002701c0b0af$737fe1e0$55289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen and Nakfellows, Thanks to Stephen - again ... I get to fix my 680 problem ! It turned out that the popcorn came from one of (leaky ?) capacitor on the record amp, close to UA7300. I was ready with all size of caps :-) and selected the ones near signal path. After only 5 caps, the noise is gone. Also the cmos tape type switch was bad and replaced. Just one eeny tiny thing: the peak hold segment for left channel meter decayed more quickly than right channel, I tried to find a delay capacitor (as in regular led meter circuit) but find none on indicator pcb. Where is this delay controlled ? Finally, I still can't understand le grande concept of auto record head azimuth alignment - especially if playback head had been meticulously aligned with track tape ... why would the record head be re-aligned even using different tape ? All that feedback circuit + motor seems to be an overkill (to me) for that purpose. If only I can modify it to align the pb head as in CR7 ! Best regards, Salim SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 21:03:41 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:03:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] vtvm setting References: <20010320131449.B3E781DFB54@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002801c0b0af$b3ed1b80$55289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan and Nakfellows, I recall some time ago Kannan (?) recommended level / bias setting using vtvm for a more precise result. Now the most stupid question you'll ever see on naktalk: "what exactly is a vtvm ?". I checked my deck's input / tone level on this TP101 and 201 thing with a digital multitester, looking to see approx 100mv ... and see none. No matter how I turn up the input source volume I still don't get any reading on this tester either dc or ac (black to ground), while the meter is working fine up and down along with input level. When one rec amp capacitor went bad I did see -2.3 dcV (!) at one TP and 0 on the other, but after cap's been replaced, both read out zip, niks. I think I checked the right spot but may be using wrong stuff. Thanks and don't laugh too hard. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak > Recently I had recalibrated BX1' level and bias using Nak 400 Hz level tape and 16 /20 Khz tones. And I replaced the reel drive idler tire and played and recorded a metal tape. > What I recorded on BX1 sounds wonderful on a Dragon ( BX1 playback is not that great but recording seems decent). Naks have wonderful heads /mechanism and decent electronics to give a life time of pleasure. > > It is not worth spending even 100 $ on unknown decks. Better stick to even old 480 series two heads and they will give another decade of service with fantastic sound. > > From what we hear from few of our people who had used other decks along with Naks , excepting Few Tandberg/ Revoxes do not lay your hands on anything else unless you have plenty of money and just want to collect. Tandberg 3014 A gets its special sound quality from its gigantic transport and oversized capstan pulley flywheels. Pitch stability is exceptional and can not be beaten even by Naks. But its heads are not exceptional like nak heads. > > Stick to Nak as far as possible as Nak used prices are quite low excepting probably 1000ZXL when considering their life expectancy as well as their sound! They are easily serviceable and parts availability is not bad. > Kannan > > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:17 AM > > >I would only add that god forbid you accidentally break a wire lead of the barrier > >strip while removing the transport... you'll be very lucky if you can figure out where > >it came from... more wiring than you can shake a stick at! > > > >Ed > > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > >> The 1250 is a decent mechanism, but that is about all there is to give them > >> merit. Electronically, all those old Pioneer decks were rat's nests & a > >> major bitch to work on. Sound = B- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:09 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? I thought you would > >> enjoy this... > >> > >> > Hi Stephen, > >> > > >> > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > >> > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these > >> are > >> > two great decks: > >> > > >> > Pioneer CT-F1250 > >> > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > >> > > >> > Pioneer CT-F950 > >> > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > >> > > >> > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them > >> in > >> > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > >> > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Mar 20 21:16:14 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:16:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak References: Message-ID: <3AB7BA8B.C2612A14@pacbell.net> I own a tandberg 3014a (talk about off topic) that Is on it's way to be fully serviced/tweaked by Stephen. I have the original interconnects and owners manual, but no original box. Stephen should be able to verify that the mileage is extremely low and the cosmetic condition is perfect. If anybody is interested in a perfect condition, "sanktimoniously Sanktified" Tandberg 3014 A, you can contact Stephen for verification of quality or me for your $$ offers. I would be willing to trade for a "Sanktified" Dragon or some other decadent deck. I also will have very soon the following and all will be Sanked before you buy: Mcintosh c-28, no cabinet Nakamichi 1, lo mileage nak 350/ads2002 with power supply, briefcase and interconnects nakamichi bx-2 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Very true. No matter how you "shake" it, unless it's a Revox or Tandberg > (certain models) your best "bet" is a Nakamichi. Not only are most of them > extremely well built and will give years of service, but there is something > special about their sound and I believe it is the heads. > > There are at least 12 different models of NAKs on the used market today that > are all different flavors of "excellent." And, you couldn't go wrong with > any of these, especially if you let Jeff or Steve work on them. Thanks for > the input. I wouldn't mind having a Tandberg 3014A though? (smile) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 21:24:52 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:24:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> Message-ID: <003101c0b0b2$ab5add60$55289bca@smarzuki> Doesn't look like it need fixing except the meter ? With 5 days to go, I'd guess it'll end up a bit high. I saw a "mega rare" tandberg tcd 910 once where $1000 still didn't make the reserve. But SS did get his 3014 for quite a good price this month ! :-) Also RJ if you're still looking for a tuner, there's a nice marantz 2130e with scope: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223312038 Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone > interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 21:36:52 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:36:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> Message-ID: <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> Now why did he put it under "Music:Musical Instruments:General" instead of regular audio deck ? Prices higher over there ? And this guy should've put his 730 under tuners ... I wouldn't have missed it ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221721905 Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone > interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Mar 20 22:00:21 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:00:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002301c0b180$c70f8ff0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Look who snagged it! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > Now why did he put it under "Music:Musical Instruments:General" instead of > regular audio deck ? Prices higher over there ? > > And this guy should've put his 730 under tuners ... I wouldn't have missed > it ! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221721905 > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone > > interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Properly aligned & with no mechanical/tape path problems, you'll never see the motor move more than a tiny amount. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 with popcorn problem > > Hi Stephen and Nakfellows, > > Thanks to Stephen - again ... I get to fix my 680 problem ! It turned out > that the popcorn came from one of (leaky ?) capacitor on the record amp, > close to UA7300. I was ready with all size of caps :-) and selected the > ones near signal path. After only 5 caps, the noise is gone. Also the cmos > tape type switch was bad and replaced. > > Just one eeny tiny thing: the peak hold segment for left channel meter > decayed more quickly than right channel, I tried to find a delay capacitor > (as in regular led meter circuit) but find none on indicator pcb. Where is > this delay controlled ? > > Finally, I still can't understand le grande concept of auto record head > azimuth alignment - especially if playback head had been meticulously > aligned with track tape ... why would the record head be re-aligned even > using different tape ? All that feedback circuit + motor seems to be an > overkill (to me) for that purpose. If only I can modify it to align the pb > head as in CR7 ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 21 02:14:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:14:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> <002301c0b180$c70f8ff0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <013801c0b1a4$391e16c0$a03442cf@sank1> Guilty. I happened to see that 730 in the last hour still sitting inexplicably at $97, so I stuck in a bid of $140 & inexplicably & much to my surprise, got the 730. So, I plan to sell the 730 I have, which will be easier to sell as it does not have a broken knob, and fix this one up for myself. I only just got the first one last fall & only because I think it's the sexiest receiver ever made. So, anybody want to buy a nice 730? And before or after I upgrade the speaker posts & power supply? Even in 1978, those cheesey speaker terminals were inexcusable, especially on a $1390 receiver. By the way, I can repair 3014 meter movements without disturbing the meter ballistics. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > Look who snagged it! :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > > > Now why did he put it under "Music:Musical Instruments:General" instead of > > regular audio deck ? Prices higher over there ? > > > > And this guy should've put his 730 under tuners ... I wouldn't have > missed > > it ! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221721905 > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > > > > If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone > > > interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 21 02:07:49 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:07:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] special components for sale Message-ID: <3AB7FED9.5F50935A@pacbell.net> I own a tandberg 3014a (talk about off topic) that Is on it's way to be fully serviced/tweaked by Stephen. I have the original interconnects and owners manual, but no original box. Stephen should be able to verify that the mileage is extremely low and the cosmetic condition is perfect. If anybody is interested in a perfect condition, "sanktimoniously Sanktified" Tandberg 3014 A, you can contact Stephen for verification of quality or me for your $$ offers. I would be willing to trade for a "Sanktified" Dragon or some other decadent deck. I also will have very soon the following and all will be Sanked before you buy: Mcintosh c-28, no cabinet Nakamichi 1, lo mileage nak 350/ads2002 with power supply, briefcase and interconnects nakamichi bx-2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 21 02:40:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:40:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> <002301c0b180$c70f8ff0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <013801c0b1a4$391e16c0$a03442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007801c0b1a7$f9be0a90$c8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> There is justice after all! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > Guilty. I happened to see that 730 in the last hour still sitting > inexplicably at $97, so I stuck in a bid of $140 & inexplicably & much to my > surprise, got the 730. So, I plan to sell the 730 I have, which will be > easier to sell as it does not have a broken knob, and fix this one up for > myself. I only just got the first one last fall & only because I think it's > the sexiest receiver ever made. So, anybody want to buy a nice 730? And > before or after I upgrade the speaker posts & power supply? Even in 1978, > those cheesey speaker terminals were inexcusable, especially on a $1390 > receiver. > By the way, I can repair 3014 meter movements without disturbing the meter > ballistics. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > Look who snagged it! :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > > > > > > > Now why did he put it under "Music:Musical Instruments:General" instead > of > > > regular audio deck ? Prices higher over there ? > > > > > > And this guy should've put his 730 under tuners ... I wouldn't have > > missed > > > it ! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1221721905 > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > > > > > > > > > > If I had some "extra" cash lying around, I'd pick this up. Anyone > > > > interested? Between Jeff and Steve, someone can fix it. > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1417921317 > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 21 04:30:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:00:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] vtvm setting Message-ID: <20010321033001.C82181DFB8B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 21 06:00:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:00:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A Message-ID: <35.125ac931.27e98f66@aol.com> Thanks Ray. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 07:36:35 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:36:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A References: <64.c33f2cd.27e90c83@aol.com> Message-ID: <004401c0b1d1$472bade0$97232ac4@coqui.net> It's very easy to get parts from Tandberg, Denmark direct, especially for the 3014 A that still under production. BTW, your 505 is definetely superior to the old TD 20 A. BUT, iof I find a nice priced and good condition 3014 A I wouldn't let her pass on ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A > Problem with the Tandberg Stuff is parts. I dont know if heads are available > at all. I have a Tandberg TD20A, and a Tandberg TD20A SE, one is half track, > the other 1/4 track. I just got lucky and had brand new playhead installed, > and the other 2 relapped. But 1/4 track heads are no longer available. Now, > im not sure with the 3014A. But High Tech in NY,cannot get 3014 heads, and > that is reccommended by the Tandberg Rep here. I have thought about a 3014 A > as well, i have a fully restored RX-505 that i am extremely happy with. But > being such a Tandberg Freak, i would have loved a 3014A, but Stephen and Jeff > both have told me, that my machine is better. So i will not take any > chances, especially with parts problems. Ray > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Mar 21 11:11:16 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:11:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 730 References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> <002301c0b180$c70f8ff0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <013801c0b1a4$391e16c0$a03442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00fc01c0b1ef$60711e20$0100007f@localhost> Hi Stephen, Congratulation with another 730! I got some problem with mine - signal from tuner part gets in to sound path even if in tape or aux modes, so if making volume on a high level you can hear the tuner! What can be reason and where to look? Thanks! Misha > Guilty. I happened to see that 730 in the last hour still sitting > inexplicably at $97, so I stuck in a bid of $140 & inexplicably & much to my > surprise, got the 730. So, I plan to sell the 730 I have, which will be > easier to sell as it does not have a broken knob, and fix this one up for > myself. I only just got the first one last fall & only because I think it's > the sexiest receiver ever made. So, anybody want to buy a nice 730? And > before or after I upgrade the speaker posts & power supply? Even in 1978, > those cheesey speaker terminals were inexcusable, especially on a $1390 > receiver. > By the way, I can repair 3014 meter movements without disturbing the meter > ballistics. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 14:30:15 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:30:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] The ever-illusive Tandberg 3014A Message-ID: <70.8d687a5.27ea06e7@aol.com> Well, I know the Tandberg Rep here. I wont mention his name, in case he may not like it. On East Coast though. Parts are very tough these days, and shipping, costs for any Tandberg Parts, from overseas, is phenominal. If money is no object, and time to search on, then its ok. But unless you knew the condition of the heads, and the rest of the machine, it is difficult. If anyone is interested in any useful Tandberg Info, there is High Tech Electronics in NY, Sound-Smith Electronics in NY, a retired Tandberg Tech in FLorida, Heinz, all of which will research parts for Tandberg, both here, and overseas, and let you know the cost, and shipping costs as well. Again, if money is no object, than it reduces the size of the problem. But i would say its best, if you really knew the owner of the Tandberg. And i do not beleive that my RX-505 is superior to my TD20A Open Reel machine. My Tandberg TD20A is fully restored, and modified, and new Tandberg Head, belts, aligned, and biased for Quantegy 457. Sound is excellent. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 21 18:01:47 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:01:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] pioneer ct-f1250 off topic Message-ID: <3AB8DE54.EDC91A9D@pacbell.net> I have a ct-f-1250 that I would sell cheap. The cabinet has a few dings, but the face is in nice shape. It has not been overhauled, but does have a new belt and has been cleaned, demagd, etc. I could have it Sanktified, if you are interested Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 21 18:08:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:08:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 730 References: <16.a69cbda.27e90636@aol.com> <003a01c0b0b4$564a84e0$55289bca@smarzuki> <002301c0b180$c70f8ff0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <013801c0b1a4$391e16c0$a03442cf@sank1> <00fc01c0b1ef$60711e20$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <004201c0b229$89179040$aa3442cf@sank1> Ask me about that next week, Misha, after I have had a chance to pop the lid off. I don't have the service manual & it's been too long since working on a 730 to remember if it used CMOS switching IC's or relays. I think it was some early form of switching IC, which is a common source of leakage. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "MVM" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] 730 > Hi Stephen, > > Congratulation with another 730! > I got some problem with mine - signal from tuner part gets in to > sound path even if in tape or aux modes, so if making volume > on a high level you can hear the tuner! What can be reason and > where to look? > Thanks! > Misha > > > > Guilty. I happened to see that 730 in the last hour still sitting > > inexplicably at $97, so I stuck in a bid of $140 & inexplicably & much to > my > > surprise, got the 730. So, I plan to sell the 730 I have, which will be > > easier to sell as it does not have a broken knob, and fix this one up for > > myself. I only just got the first one last fall & only because I think > it's > > the sexiest receiver ever made. So, anybody want to buy a nice 730? And > > before or after I upgrade the speaker posts & power supply? Even in 1978, > > those cheesey speaker terminals were inexcusable, especially on a $1390 > > receiver. > > By the way, I can repair 3014 meter movements without disturbing the meter > > ballistics. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 21 18:27:59 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:27:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> Hi, How much were you looking for on the 3014? Is it a 3014A? I have a fully overhauled Nakamichi RX-505, with all the parts replaced, and somewhere i have the Spec Sheet, that they sent to me with it. It was done by Nakamichi Corp, in Calif. I am a bit of a Tandberg Nut, i have 2 Reel to Reels, both fully serviced, new heads, and Modifications. That is why i have a bit of an interest in a 3014. Stephen told me, when i asked him, that the 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. So i kind of just forgot about the Tandberg, and also knowing from experience, that parts are a real problem, and very expensive, if found. I dont even know why i am writing all this, but i never heard a 3014, but have been curious. Well all the collateral that i have, has been mentioned. Let me know what your price is, and if interested in anything? Thanks, Ray Thank you for your reply, Ray Let's keep this thread going thru naktalk until we negotiate price. This way, all possibly interested buyers will have full information as it passes through Stephen's overhaul/tweak. See Carlos' recent contribution to naktalk regarding the misconception that Tandberg parts are rare, hard to find and expensive. The 3014a is a terrific machine and performance is a matter of opinion. It does alot of things that no others do and is the easiest cassette deck to cue/edit, in my opinion of the decks that I have used. I am a tandberg r/r nut and love my 9200xd which has never needed a thing since it was built (probably due for some of Stephens magic) Sincerely, Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 21 19:10:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:10:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> When your 3014A arrives, tomorrow, I expect, I'll have the chance to compare it with the 3014 I just got & tell you what the sonic & technical differences are. I have never had a chance to compare them before. And Carlos needs to tell me his Denmark Tandberg source. Don't know that one. Get most of my parts now from a private Tandberg collector in Norway. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > Hi, > > How much were you looking for on the 3014? Is it a 3014A? I > have a > fully overhauled Nakamichi RX-505, with all the parts replaced, and > somewhere > i have the Spec Sheet, that they sent to me with it. It was done by > Nakamichi Corp, in Calif. I am a bit of a Tandberg Nut, i have 2 Reel > to > Reels, both fully serviced, new heads, and Modifications. That is why i > have > a bit of an interest in a 3014. Stephen told me, when i asked him, that > the > 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. So i kind of just forgot about the > Tandberg, and also knowing from experience, that parts are a real > problem, > and very expensive, if found. I dont even know why i am writing all > this, > but i never heard a 3014, but have been curious. Well all the > collateral > that i have, has been mentioned. Let me know what your price is, and if > > interested in anything? > > Thanks, Ray > > Thank you for your reply, Ray > > Let's keep this thread going thru naktalk until we negotiate price. > This way, all possibly interested buyers will have full information as > it passes through Stephen's overhaul/tweak. See Carlos' recent > contribution to naktalk regarding the misconception that Tandberg parts > are rare, hard to find and expensive. The 3014a is a terrific machine > and performance is a matter of opinion. It does alot of things that no > others do and is the easiest cassette deck to cue/edit, in my opinion of > the decks that I have used. I am a tandberg r/r nut and love my 9200xd > which has never needed a thing since it was built (probably due for some > of Stephens magic) > > Sincerely, > > Brian Stocker > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 19:22:59 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:22:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: <7c.1348ce1a.27ea4b83@aol.com> I saw Carlos' post. If it is true wonderful, but i dont think so. Not that it wouldnt be possible to find parts, but that the price would be very expensive. The only reason i think i may know a bit more about all these parts issues than Carlos, is that i have talked to just about every major Tandberg source there is. Including the Tandberg Rep. I know that any overseas inquiries i have made even for a Tandberg Belt, shipping was $55.00. Im sorry, i could have sworn in your post, that you had stated, contact Stephen about the mileage and condition of the machine, and to contact you in reference to the price. I didnt think that you meant negotiating in an open forum...LOL. But i guess you just never know. And Id appreciate you not posting my Emails, without my consent first. Thanks, Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 19:27:00 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:27:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: Yeah, Id love to know that source as well. I know 3 sources in Norway, all of which i contact for parts that i cant find here. I do know, that heads have been a real problem. Half Track heads are still available for Tandberg TD20A machines. But 4 track heads, forget it. Same with pinch rollers, better off having them rebuilt by Russel. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 20:35:22 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:35:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000901c0b23e$127d6c60$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Besides what Stephen thinks or other guys here, which I respect a lot, I don't change a Tandberg 3014 A for an RX 505 if I'm not interested in autoreverse commodity. Tandberg is among the best sounding machines ever made and its neutral sound is very near the Revox B-215. This is the main charasteristic of these 2 european decks: neutral sound and what we call "musicality". No extended "highs" as the best Naks, just neutral. All Naks are wonderful, even the 500's sound very good, but there're other few non naks out there that don't need to be ashame of anything. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a . Stephen told me, when i asked him, that > the > 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 19:43:59 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:43:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: <3a.12783bf7.27ea506f@aol.com> Amen. I dont recall trashing the Tandberg, or the Ravox. Or stating, that anyone who owns one of those should be ashamed of anything. I just checked with my very reliable source, and was told that the Tandberg Audio products were never made in Denmark. Also, that what was thought to have been, still in production, may actually have been overstock. I also was told that the record heads are almost impossible to find. But if found, will be very expensive. Playback heads may still be found, but very expensive as well. I was trying to give this from the perspective of a Middle Class salary. So to me, the prices are very expensive. But some audiophiles have extremely expensive systems, and price is no object, and to those, i guess you buy whatever you feel like. But if the Denmark Supplier does exist, id be really grateful to know of them. Beings i have 2 Tandberg Machines myself. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 20:50:11 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:50:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003e01c0b240$24431100$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Sorry, Norway is Tandberg headquarters. I got my connection trough the net direct to Tandberg themselves. Denmark is for Lyrec, oops ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > When your 3014A arrives, tomorrow, I expect, I'll have the chance to compare > it with the 3014 I just got & tell you what the sonic & technical > differences are. I have never had a chance to compare them before. > And Carlos needs to tell me his Denmark Tandberg source. Don't know that > one. Get most of my parts now from a private Tandberg collector in Norway. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > > Hi, > > > > How much were you looking for on the 3014? Is it a 3014A? I > > have a > > fully overhauled Nakamichi RX-505, with all the parts replaced, and > > somewhere > > i have the Spec Sheet, that they sent to me with it. It was done by > > Nakamichi Corp, in Calif. I am a bit of a Tandberg Nut, i have 2 Reel > > to > > Reels, both fully serviced, new heads, and Modifications. That is why i > > have > > a bit of an interest in a 3014. Stephen told me, when i asked him, that > > the > > 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. So i kind of just forgot about the > > Tandberg, and also knowing from experience, that parts are a real > > problem, > > and very expensive, if found. I dont even know why i am writing all > > this, > > but i never heard a 3014, but have been curious. Well all the > > collateral > > that i have, has been mentioned. Let me know what your price is, and if > > > > interested in anything? > > > > Thanks, Ray > > > > Thank you for your reply, Ray > > > > Let's keep this thread going thru naktalk until we negotiate price. > > This way, all possibly interested buyers will have full information as > > it passes through Stephen's overhaul/tweak. See Carlos' recent > > contribution to naktalk regarding the misconception that Tandberg parts > > are rare, hard to find and expensive. The 3014a is a terrific machine > > and performance is a matter of opinion. It does alot of things that no > > others do and is the easiest cassette deck to cue/edit, in my opinion of > > the decks that I have used. I am a tandberg r/r nut and love my 9200xd > > which has never needed a thing since it was built (probably due for some > > of Stephens magic) > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 19:53:57 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:53:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: <66.d27f677.27ea52c5@aol.com> I thought so. I just spoke to USA Rep for Tandberg. All is in Norway. Playback heads for 3014, can be modified to work, from other heads, but recording head can be trouble. As far as original Tandberg heads go. You probably know the same Norway sources as i do then. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 21:03:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:03:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <7c.1348ce1a.27ea4b83@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c0b242$036af220$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Yes, shipping charges are extremely high dealing with any country outside of USA. Just bought my parts direct from Tandberg without any headache. I think I still have the contact somewhere. If you need a belt for that machine just go ahead and replace it with the ZX 9's. I receive mine's as compliment from Stephen and works excellent. As with any parts concerning any brand, my best experience has been with Studer Revox, ALWAYS better service over any other, including the very bad service from Nakamichi California. If you really like that machine, that I sustain is a very nice one, go ahead a buy it. This is like the Mercedes parts taboo, if you have the right connection you'll find parts somewhere ! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > I saw Carlos' post. If it is true wonderful, but i dont think so. Not that > it wouldnt be possible to find parts, but that the price would be very > expensive. The only reason i think i may know a bit more about all these > parts issues than Carlos ... Are you sure about this ???? ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 20:10:25 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:10:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: <68.d0ab579.27ea56a1@aol.com> I have owned both, the Tandberg TD20A, and the Revox A77. I agree Revox is much better to deal with for parts, or anything else. Examining the build quality, Id have to give it to Revox over Tandberg, but i just always wanted a Tandberg TD20A, so i got one, and had it full restored, and modified. Works and sounds great. I got the last 4 track head that the guy had, as far as a genuine Tandberg head. As i say, i can get all 3 heads in 2 track. They seem to be plentiful. Its crazy, i feel the urge to do the same with a 3014 and i dont know why, i never even heard one, so i can only ask others. I have absolutely nothing to dislike at all about my Nak, but for some reason i just really love my Tandberg Open Reel machines. Have also had an Akai GX-747, and the Tandberg kills it, i had a new Tascam 32 as well, and i still give nod to Tandberg. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 21:14:04 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:14:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3a.12783bf7.27ea506f@aol.com> Message-ID: <001601c0b243$7a7f7420$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Easy, Ray. Nobody is trashing anything neither ashamed of anything too. As Denmark, see my other post. As with any parts concerning all brands, more or less all are in the same boat; some are available and others not, some are cheap and others are very expensive, no matter if it's Nakamichi, Revox or Technics. Anyway, I'm not rich either, so, I understand your point perfectly. Peace ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > Amen. I dont recall trashing the Tandberg, or the Ravox. Or stating, that > anyone who owns one of those should be ashamed of anything. I just checked > with my very reliable source, and was told that the Tandberg Audio products > were never made in Denmark. Also, that what was thought to have been, still > in production, may actually have been overstock. I also was told that the > record heads are almost impossible to find. But if found, will be very > expensive. Playback heads may still be found, but very expensive as well. I > was trying to give this from the perspective of a Middle Class salary. So to > me, the prices are very expensive. But some audiophiles have extremely > expensive systems, and price is no object, and to those, i guess you buy > whatever you feel like. But if the Denmark Supplier does exist, id be really > grateful to know of them. Beings i have 2 Tandberg Machines myself. Ray > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 21:15:25 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:15:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <66.d27f677.27ea52c5@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0b243$aad1c100$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Very well , then ! Cheers ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > I thought so. I just spoke to USA Rep for Tandberg. All is in Norway. > Playback heads for 3014, can be modified to work, from other heads, but > recording head can be trouble. As far as original Tandberg heads go. You > probably know the same Norway sources as i do then. Ray > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 20:16:49 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:16:49 EST Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a Message-ID: Gracias.. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 21:43:32 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:43:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: Message-ID: <001a01c0b247$98999cc0$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Welcome, my friend ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > Gracias.. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 21 20:55:47 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:55:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai References: <68.d0ab579.27ea56a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <015401c0b240$edd3b6a0$03021fac@brianm> Ray, You mention you have an Akai. I have an Akai GX-9, are you, or anyone else for that matter, familiar with it? I bought it new in the mid 80's. It started malfunctioning a few years ago, this is what led me to purchase a Nak. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > I have owned both, the Tandberg TD20A, and the Revox A77. I agree Revox is > much better to deal with for parts, or anything else. Examining the build > quality, Id have to give it to Revox over Tandberg, but i just always wanted > a Tandberg TD20A, so i got one, and had it full restored, and modified. > Works and sounds great. I got the last 4 track head that the guy had, as far > as a genuine Tandberg head. As i say, i can get all 3 heads in 2 track. They > seem to be plentiful. Its crazy, i feel the urge to do the same with a 3014 > and i dont know why, i never even heard one, so i can only ask others. I have > absolutely nothing to dislike at all about my Nak, but for some reason i just > really love my Tandberg Open Reel machines. Have also had an Akai GX-747, > and the Tandberg kills it, i had a new Tascam 32 as well, and i still give > nod to Tandberg. Ray > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Mar 21 20:44:06 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:44:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <001a01c0b247$98999cc0$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3AB90486.56142579@telcel.net.ve> I had to say that my father had a Tandberg 3004 which was really a great tape deck...well constructed and every piece seemed to be in the right place if you know what I am talking about...but the problem he had was the parts... Here in Venezuela they were not availableand also there were not people capable of working in these machines and it was very expensive to get them from Europe (we couldn't find them in the U.S. either) so he decided to sell it. I was wondering if living in Europe makes this thing easier.... Isy Carlos wrote: > Welcome, my friend ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > Gracias.. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 21 22:33:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:33:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <001a01c0b247$98999cc0$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> <3AB90486.56142579@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <000e01c0b24e$96192f40$c32f2ac4@coqui.net> Yes, Isy, this must be so ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > I had to say that my father had a Tandberg 3004 which was really a great tape > deck...well constructed and every piece seemed to be in the right place if you know > what I am talking about...but the problem he had was the parts... > Here in Venezuela they were not availableand also there were not people capable of > working in these machines and it was very expensive to get them from Europe (we > couldn't find them in the U.S. either) so he decided to sell it. > I was wondering if living in Europe makes this thing easier.... > > Isy > Carlos wrote: > > > Welcome, my friend ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > > > Gracias.. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 21 23:01:29 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:01:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai Message-ID: <17.1345adee.27ea7eb9@aol.com> Brian, I am only familiar with Akai Reel to Reels, have had a GX-630DB, a GX-636, and a GX-747, also a 1722W. Again all are open reel machines. I really don't know much if anything, about their cassette decks. Sorry. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 22 00:05:29 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:05:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Akai In-Reply-To: <015401c0b240$edd3b6a0$03021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed for upto 150,000 hours. GX-9 was one of the newest models available on the US market, around late 80's (3 heads, double capstains, W&F 0.025%, 3 or 4 motors, 20-21 khz +/-3 db, etc.) . It was actually their top of the line here. In the UK, they continued with a GX-95 (with Dolby S if I remember right.) Without starting a war here, just for illustration purposes, a GX-9 would compare to something like a Technics RSM-965 or JVC TD-V711, Aiwa 990, or Onkyo TA-2800. The AKAI tenure in the US was over before 1990 due to some sort of cold war reasons - i.e., they were supplying some of their specialized products to countries that US was not big friends with - something along these lines. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 1:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Akai Ray, You mention you have an Akai. I have an Akai GX-9, are you, or anyone else for that matter, familiar with it? I bought it new in the mid 80's. It started malfunctioning a few years ago, this is what led me to purchase a Nak. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > I have owned both, the Tandberg TD20A, and the Revox A77. I agree Revox is > much better to deal with for parts, or anything else. Examining the build > quality, Id have to give it to Revox over Tandberg, but i just always wanted > a Tandberg TD20A, so i got one, and had it full restored, and modified. > Works and sounds great. I got the last 4 track head that the guy had, as far > as a genuine Tandberg head. As i say, i can get all 3 heads in 2 track. They > seem to be plentiful. Its crazy, i feel the urge to do the same with a 3014 > and i dont know why, i never even heard one, so i can only ask others. I have > absolutely nothing to dislike at all about my Nak, but for some reason i just > really love my Tandberg Open Reel machines. Have also had an Akai GX-747, > and the Tandberg kills it, i had a new Tascam 32 as well, and i still give > nod to Tandberg. Ray > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 22 00:31:27 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:31:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai References: Message-ID: <019f01c0b25f$0e7a30a0$03021fac@brianm> It is a beautiful deck, full of features, but as stated, not a Nak. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. > > GX-9 was one of the newest models available on the US market, around late > 80's (3 heads, double capstains, W&F 0.025%, 3 or 4 motors, 20-21 khz +/-3 > db, etc.) . It was actually their top of the line here. In the UK, they > continued with a GX-95 (with Dolby S if I remember right.) > > Without starting a war here, just for illustration purposes, a GX-9 would > compare to something like a Technics RSM-965 or JVC TD-V711, Aiwa 990, or > Onkyo TA-2800. > > The AKAI tenure in the US was over before 1990 due to some sort of cold war > reasons - i.e., they were supplying some of their specialized products to > countries that US was not big friends with - something along these lines. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 1:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Akai > > > Ray, > > You mention you have an Akai. I have an Akai GX-9, are you, or anyone else > for that matter, familiar with it? I bought it new in the mid 80's. It > started malfunctioning a few years ago, this is what led me to purchase a > Nak. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > > I have owned both, the Tandberg TD20A, and the Revox A77. I agree Revox > is > > much better to deal with for parts, or anything else. Examining the build > > quality, Id have to give it to Revox over Tandberg, but i just always > wanted > > a Tandberg TD20A, so i got one, and had it full restored, and modified. > > Works and sounds great. I got the last 4 track head that the guy had, as > far > > as a genuine Tandberg head. As i say, i can get all 3 heads in 2 track. > They > > seem to be plentiful. Its crazy, i feel the urge to do the same with a > 3014 > > and i dont know why, i never even heard one, so i can only ask others. I > have > > absolutely nothing to dislike at all about my Nak, but for some reason i > just > > really love my Tandberg Open Reel machines. Have also had an Akai GX-747, > > and the Tandberg kills it, i had a new Tascam 32 as well, and i still give > > nod to Tandberg. Ray > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 00:33:54 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:33:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? Message-ID: Hello, I am new to this, so please help if you can. If you are given a choice between the Nakamichi BX300 or CR-4 or Cassette deck 1.5, which one would you choose for getting the best in sound quality? The price is not applicable to this, as it will all be the same. Any comments much appreciated. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Thu Mar 22 00:56:46 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:56:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai Message-ID: <9f.12d24675.27ea99be@aol.com> Stan, Great contribution. Interesting. I did like their open reel machines. I have liked them much better than Teac anyway. Features were very well done on Akai. The glass heads were actually pretty good idea. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Mar 22 01:08:16 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:08:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai References: Message-ID: <000901c0b264$31ce6ee0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 22 01:13:41 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:13:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nakamichi CR4, then BX300, then 1.5. CR4 is a newer version of BX-300 (both direct drive) with calibration system. 1.5 is belt driven. In my opinion it is also an ugly looking unit. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 5:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? Hello, I am new to this, so please help if you can. If you are given a choice between the Nakamichi BX300 or CR-4 or Cassette deck 1.5, which one would you choose for getting the best in sound quality? The price is not applicable to this, as it will all be the same. Any comments much appreciated. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 22 01:39:45 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:39:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI In-Reply-To: <000901c0b264$31ce6ee0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: What's your problem? Someone has asked a question about AKAI, about a very specific deck that they had, and I found it appropriate to give an answer. In no way I was suggesting that this was something better than NAK (although, now, I will say that personally, I'd rather have a GX-9 than a CR1 or a BX1). Sometimes it is good to mention what translating your adjectives would mean inferior products. Where were you where people were talking about Pioneer CTF1250, Teac V8030, Tandberg 3014, Revox 215, etc. Some of those units cost more than some mid line NAKs. Many of us had these units, and it is nice to here opinions of Stephen, Carlos, et al about how these compare. Cheers Mauritis. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Maurits Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 6:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Mar 22 02:39:44 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:39:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AB957CA.B89BAC63@pacbell.net> Thank you, Stephen. It should get to you by Friday. I know you said dragon would be more reliable/serviceable in the long run, but the dragon has become so "cliché" for lack of a better word and I do want to have the best deck available for my system. All decks in this category sound good and the point of diminishing return is so close. The 3014a is the most beautiful, functionally and appearance wise ( I think) deck in this category, besides those decadent naks that have recently been discussed. If you could pick any deck in this category, what would you go with? btw, those nak "phonographs" are gorgeous and I am interested in your further thoughts about them. I am getting ready to spin vinyl again and want to put together a decadent record player. I like to stay with 1 source and not change things around. Although next big buy is xr290 speakers in the least expensive finish. I need a sound like my xrt 18's big, wide, tall and "box less" Or, should I just get an 8 track and hook up all 4 of my khorns around the room? after al, they are bigger and, should, play louder? Thanx for everything Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > When your 3014A arrives, tomorrow, I expect, I'll have the chance to compare > it with the 3014 I just got & tell you what the sonic & technical > differences are. I have never had a chance to compare them before. > And Carlos needs to tell me his Denmark Tandberg source. Don't know that > one. Get most of my parts now from a private Tandberg collector in Norway. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM > Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > Hi, > > > > How much were you looking for on the 3014? Is it a 3014A? I > > have a > > fully overhauled Nakamichi RX-505, with all the parts replaced, and > > somewhere > > i have the Spec Sheet, that they sent to me with it. It was done by > > Nakamichi Corp, in Calif. I am a bit of a Tandberg Nut, i have 2 Reel > > to > > Reels, both fully serviced, new heads, and Modifications. That is why i > > have > > a bit of an interest in a 3014. Stephen told me, when i asked him, that > > the > > 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. So i kind of just forgot about the > > Tandberg, and also knowing from experience, that parts are a real > > problem, > > and very expensive, if found. I dont even know why i am writing all > > this, > > but i never heard a 3014, but have been curious. Well all the > > collateral > > that i have, has been mentioned. Let me know what your price is, and if > > > > interested in anything? > > > > Thanks, Ray > > > > Thank you for your reply, Ray > > > > Let's keep this thread going thru naktalk until we negotiate price. > > This way, all possibly interested buyers will have full information as > > it passes through Stephen's overhaul/tweak. See Carlos' recent > > contribution to naktalk regarding the misconception that Tandberg parts > > are rare, hard to find and expensive. The 3014a is a terrific machine > > and performance is a matter of opinion. It does alot of things that no > > others do and is the easiest cassette deck to cue/edit, in my opinion of > > the decks that I have used. I am a tandberg r/r nut and love my 9200xd > > which has never needed a thing since it was built (probably due for some > > of Stephens magic) > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hjang2 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 02:55:37 2001 From: hjang2 at yahoo.com (Howie Jang) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:55:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... In-Reply-To: <001101c0b0d7$ff8d9560$36312ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <20010322015537.62482.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Carlos is right! My 3004 and TCD-910 are built solid and produce very natural and transparent sound.(It feels like someone is talking to you next to you.) I think 3014A did the same thing? TCD-910 also only used XLR Balanced(not RCA type) cable. -Howie --- Carlos wrote: > Ahh, forget about buying a new one. I believe I paid $600.00 for > mine's in > very nice condition. It is among the best and besides Nakamichi and > Revox, > Tandberg would be top in my list. > > Very natural sounding deck with the fastest winding speed available > and > excellent for recording purposes. Manual azymuth adjustment for > recording > only. > > My opinion: simply one of the best ever made. > > Best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice, rare find... > > > > The Tandberg is custom made at $4,500? It looks impressive, but > how does > it > > sound? Is it strictly for studio use? At this time, with the > advent of > > digital media taking over it seems like a hefty price for a tape > deck. > How > > does this deck compare with the best NAKs? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 22 03:06:17 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:06:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Akai In-Reply-To: <01C12A7E.277C7BC0@user-2ivffnk.dialup.mindspring.com> Message-ID: Stan - thanks for the note. I fully agree with the fact that not being a Nak doesn't imply shit ... This is why I replied to Maurits. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: Tue, August 21, 2001 7:16 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai Stan, Just because it isn't a nak doesn't make it shit ;-). I've had most naks from a bx-125 onto a 700zxl,rx-505, and zx-9. Still the gx-8 akai, a later version of the gx-9, was one of my favorite decks. Had it not been for that stupid motor operated door, I'm sure I'd still be I'd still be making tape on it today. Very good sound if not the ultimate, simple classy styling, very smooth and fast tape handling and a nice feel when using it. Not to start anything, Just My two cents. Also,anybody who asked for a Sony ES Metal IV cassette I will try to get in touch with you in the next couple of weeks. My computer has been down more than up lately and I apologize for the long delay. Stan Pickens -----Original Message----- From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 03:13:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:13:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? References: Message-ID: <00cf01c0b275$bb981d40$aa3442cf@sank1> I agree with Stan completely. CR-4, BX-300, then the 1.5. The only thing the BX300 has over the CR-4 is pitch control, if that matters to you. The CR-4 is a beautiful deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? > Hello, > > I am new to this, so please help if you can. If you are given a choice > between the Nakamichi BX300 or CR-4 or Cassette deck 1.5, which one would > you choose for getting the best in sound quality? The price is not > applicable to this, as it will all be the same. Any comments much > appreciated. Thank you. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 03:16:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:16:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI References: Message-ID: <00dd01c0b276$1c984480$aa3442cf@sank1> I think Mauritis was being humorous. No ire detected by me, at least. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI > What's your problem? > > Someone has asked a question about AKAI, about a very specific deck that > they had, and I found it appropriate to give an answer. In no way I was > suggesting that this was something better than NAK (although, now, I will > say that personally, I'd rather have a GX-9 than a CR1 or a BX1). Sometimes > it is good to mention what translating your adjectives would mean inferior > products. > > Where were you where people were talking about Pioneer CTF1250, Teac V8030, > Tandberg 3014, Revox 215, etc. Some of those units cost more than some mid > line NAKs. Many of us had these units, and it is nice to here opinions of > Stephen, Carlos, et al about how these compare. > > Cheers Mauritis. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Maurits > Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 6:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > > > > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment > comparable to > > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to > JVC, > > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' > guaranteed > > for upto 150,000 hours. > > Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) > Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't > spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Thu Mar 22 03:16:19 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:16:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] TURNTABLE Message-ID: <7d.129bedd8.27eaba73@aol.com> I definately wouldnt reccommend a Japanese turntable. Get a VPI, and appreciate what vinyl really sounds like. My opinion. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 03:30:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:30:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai References: <68.d0ab579.27ea56a1@aol.com> <015401c0b240$edd3b6a0$03021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00f001c0b278$1ec01ba0$aa3442cf@sank1> The GX-9 was a decently made deck, except for the goofy motorised door, as Stan says, and I don't mind working on them at all. The shortcoming of the Akai decks, including the reel decks, was in the glass/ferrite heads, their big selling point. They had about as poor low bass response as any heads in modern history, which could be eq'd out, but with very high distortion levels. Also, the claim of "150,000 hours" was sporadically true at best. These heads had a rather nasty habit of spontaneously developing micro-cracks, usually in the range of 2000-5000 hours of use. I have seen many such heads look absolutely perfect, but with severe treble loss. Mainly happens only on the cassette heads, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Akai > Ray, > > You mention you have an Akai. I have an Akai GX-9, are you, or anyone else > for that matter, familiar with it? I bought it new in the mid 80's. It > started malfunctioning a few years ago, this is what led me to purchase a > Nak. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > > I have owned both, the Tandberg TD20A, and the Revox A77. I agree Revox > is > > much better to deal with for parts, or anything else. Examining the build > > quality, Id have to give it to Revox over Tandberg, but i just always > wanted > > a Tandberg TD20A, so i got one, and had it full restored, and modified. > > Works and sounds great. I got the last 4 track head that the guy had, as > far > > as a genuine Tandberg head. As i say, i can get all 3 heads in 2 track. > They > > seem to be plentiful. Its crazy, i feel the urge to do the same with a > 3014 > > and i dont know why, i never even heard one, so i can only ask others. I > have > > absolutely nothing to dislike at all about my Nak, but for some reason i > just > > really love my Tandberg Open Reel machines. Have also had an Akai GX-747, > > and the Tandberg kills it, i had a new Tascam 32 as well, and i still give > > nod to Tandberg. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Mar 22 03:32:14 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:32:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI Message-ID: <30.122975cf.27eabe2e@aol.com> To all-Kind of funny to compare humor that comes from different parts of the world. A line thought funny in Europe may well be thought of as an insult in the US. Just an observation in regard to the bickering that creeps up on this talk group from time to time. California John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 22 04:04:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:04:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <89.40612ee.27eac5b9@aol.com> Hi All! Not to continue to ride the non-Nak discussions (actually I have truly enjoyed them all !) - a poor attempt at humor. I need to purchase a new stylus and cartridge for my turntable and wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group what are a few that I should consider? My old stylus is a Pickering XV-15 and falls in the "DJ" category from my old DJ days. (it has lasted to this day some 14 years later). Actually, I wanted to replace the needle only to learn that I can't find one anywhere. My turntable is the legendary Technics 1210 MKII. No that my DJ days are over, I would like to upgrade (if that's an appropriate phrase) to a cartridge that is classified as "Hi-Fi." My local Guitar Center has Ortofon Concord Night Club E on sale ( a DJ 1-piece cartridge) that is very interesting. What are your thoughts? I'm not familiar with Ortofon. This Guitar Center store also carries a few Shure cartridges, and given their reputation in microphones is it safe to assume their cartridges are excellent as well? What about the Shure M111E or V15 Type VxMR Cartridge? I'm not looking to spend a great deal of money, and I do play a few LP's that are not in the greatest shape, so I don't want anything that is sooooooooo specialized and pristine that it can't handle anything other than a new LP. Any information you can provide is GREATLY appreciated. And, if you feel more comfortable please feel free to respond offline from NakTalkers. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 05:14:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:14:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <89.40612ee.27eac5b9@aol.com> Message-ID: <013301c0b286$8e757cc0$aa3442cf@sank1> Although it won't be quite at it's best on the high-mass Technics arm, I'd still say go for the Shure V15-VxMR if you can swing it. It's still my personal favorite cartridge & is what I am installing on my Fairchild 412 tube turntable(yes, I said "tube turntable", as it has a custom tube 3-speed ac servo that my dad built) w/SME-3009 arm. I don't think anyone has yet beat Shure's micro-ridge stylus geometry. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Hi All! > > Not to continue to ride the non-Nak discussions (actually I have truly > enjoyed them all !) - a poor attempt at humor. > > I need to purchase a new stylus and cartridge for my turntable and wanted to > ask the collective wisdom of this group what are a few that I should > consider? My old stylus is a Pickering XV-15 and falls in the "DJ" category > from my old DJ days. (it has lasted to this day some 14 years later). > Actually, I wanted to replace the needle only to learn that I can't find one > anywhere. My turntable is the legendary Technics 1210 MKII. > > No that my DJ days are over, I would like to upgrade (if that's an > appropriate phrase) to a cartridge that is classified as "Hi-Fi." My local > Guitar Center has Ortofon Concord Night Club E on sale ( a DJ 1-piece > cartridge) that is very interesting. What are your thoughts? I'm not > familiar with Ortofon. This Guitar Center store also carries a few Shure > cartridges, and given their reputation in microphones is it safe to assume > their cartridges are excellent as well? What about the Shure M111E or V15 > Type VxMR Cartridge? > > I'm not looking to spend a great deal of money, and I do play a few LP's that > are not in the greatest shape, so I don't want anything that is sooooooooo > specialized and pristine that it can't handle anything other than a new LP. > Any information you can provide is GREATLY appreciated. And, if you feel > more comfortable please feel free to respond offline from NakTalkers. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Mar 22 05:10:28 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:10:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? In-Reply-To: <30.122975cf.27eabe2e@aol.com> Message-ID: There is an ad on e-Bay for a "calibrated" CR2A. According to the specs suggested by the seller, using the Maxell MX-110 tape the frequency response is 20-20,000Hz +/- 1.5dB at 0dB. This would be a phenomenal result for this deck at -20dB. The wow and flutter numbers are specified at 0.026%wrms? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223108718 If you remember there were also some ads a while back by a fellow out of Holland for ZX9 and 700ZXL claiming, for example, frequency response of the former to be something like 10-26,000Hz +/- 1dB. I am just curious to hear some comments from the experts as to whether these results are possible. Have any of you guys seen these in your labs? If this is the case, is Nakamichi just modest claiming 20-20,000Hz +/- 2db at -20VU for a CR7A? Stan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 22 05:17:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:17:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? Message-ID: <98.123cf78d.27ead6e6@aol.com> Interesting question, isn't the CR-7 rated at 18-22,000 Hz? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 22 05:21:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:21:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: Thanks Stephen, I'll have to look into it. I found a Pickering website out of the UK that will ship a needle for my existing cartridge. What's your thoughts on Pickering? And, the mass of the technics arm will affect the Shure even though I can make the arm as light as possible? Just to much mass huh? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 05:59:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:59:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> <3AB957CA.B89BAC63@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <013e01c0b28c$e20c5b00$aa3442cf@sank1> Outside of Nak, I would have to say I'd choose the Revox B215 over the 3014A. Built better, a little more sensible to use, and has a very good auto-cal system, albeit not as good as Nak's. Nak-wise, if I had to choose one ultimate Nak, taking into account good "wow factor", I'd take a 1000ZXL & do quite a lot of component & wire upgrading. Ideally, I'd put a ZX-9 capstan motor system in it, but I wouldn't feel deprived if I never got to do that. I have said previously that a CR-7 with ZX-9 transport would be my ultimate deck, but it doesn't have as impressive a look as the ZXL, and I am sure I could make a ZXL easily as transparent & open sounding as a CR-7. Although there are arguably a number of better turntables in the world than the DragonCT & it's precursor, the 1000TX, I believe, having done numerous demonstrations of the effect, that the auto-groove-centering feature makes such a large difference, that it outweighs any platter sytem superiority of other tables. To me, the Shure V15VXMR on the DragonCT's stock arm sounds absolutely wonderful, especially through one of my radically rebuilt Moscode Minuet tube hybrid preamps, or the phono-stage-only version, the Super It. If you have more exotic tastes in arms & cartridges, you'd need to get a 1000TX, which has no stock arm at all & can accomodate two arm boards. As for the 8-track system, as long as you use only tape carts with rubber pinch rollers & not those cheapo ones with the hard plastic rollers, it might sound good enough to not make you nauseous, but the K-horns are just totally out of the question, unless you enjoy having your eardrums sandblasted. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > Thank you, Stephen. It should get to you by Friday. I know you said dragon would be > more reliable/serviceable in the long run, but the dragon has become so "clich�" for > lack of a better word and I do want to have the best deck available for my system. > All decks in this category sound good and the point of diminishing return is so > close. The 3014a is the most beautiful, functionally and appearance wise ( I think) > deck in this category, besides those decadent naks that have recently been discussed. > > If you could pick any deck in this category, what would you go with? > > > > btw, those nak "phonographs" are gorgeous and I am interested in your further thoughts > about them. I am getting ready to spin vinyl again and want to put together a > decadent record player. I like to stay with 1 source and not change things around. > > Although next big buy is xr290 speakers in the least expensive finish. I need a sound > like my xrt 18's big, wide, tall and "box less" > > Or, should I just get an 8 track and hook up all 4 of my khorns around the room? after > al, they are bigger and, should, play louder? > > Thanx for everything > > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > When your 3014A arrives, tomorrow, I expect, I'll have the chance to compare > > it with the 3014 I just got & tell you what the sonic & technical > > differences are. I have never had a chance to compare them before. > > And Carlos needs to tell me his Denmark Tandberg source. Don't know that > > one. Get most of my parts now from a private Tandberg collector in Norway. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > How much were you looking for on the 3014? Is it a 3014A? I > > > have a > > > fully overhauled Nakamichi RX-505, with all the parts replaced, and > > > somewhere > > > i have the Spec Sheet, that they sent to me with it. It was done by > > > Nakamichi Corp, in Calif. I am a bit of a Tandberg Nut, i have 2 Reel > > > to > > > Reels, both fully serviced, new heads, and Modifications. That is why i > > > have > > > a bit of an interest in a 3014. Stephen told me, when i asked him, that > > > the > > > 3014 doesn't compare to my RX-505. So i kind of just forgot about the > > > Tandberg, and also knowing from experience, that parts are a real > > > problem, > > > and very expensive, if found. I dont even know why i am writing all > > > this, > > > but i never heard a 3014, but have been curious. Well all the > > > collateral > > > that i have, has been mentioned. Let me know what your price is, and if > > > > > > interested in anything? > > > > > > Thanks, Ray > > > > > > Thank you for your reply, Ray > > > > > > Let's keep this thread going thru naktalk until we negotiate price. > > > This way, all possibly interested buyers will have full information as > > > it passes through Stephen's overhaul/tweak. See Carlos' recent > > > contribution to naktalk regarding the misconception that Tandberg parts > > > are rare, hard to find and expensive. The 3014a is a terrific machine > > > and performance is a matter of opinion. It does alot of things that no > > > others do and is the easiest cassette deck to cue/edit, in my opinion of > > > the decks that I have used. I am a tandberg r/r nut and love my 9200xd > > > which has never needed a thing since it was built (probably due for some > > > of Stephens magic) > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 06:04:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:04:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? References: <98.123cf78d.27ead6e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <014401c0b28d$a3dbd580$aa3442cf@sank1> Any 3-head Nak back to the 582 can do 16Hz-<22kHz on chrome, 12Hz-<22kHz on metal within a couple of dB. However, only the 580/580M can get that kind of bass response, since it is the only modern 2-head Nak with a crystal permalloy head. The Sendust heads of all 2-head Naks to follow start rolling off at about 30Hz, and I doubt 20Hz can be hit within even 6dB. I've never done full spectrum curves on a Sendust 2-head Nak, though, at least not in recent memory. The top end spec is easily met, but not without a good bit of eq tinkering on the pb side. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? > Interesting question, isn't the CR-7 rated at 18-22,000 Hz? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 06:08:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:08:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: Message-ID: <014a01c0b28e$225b8fe0$aa3442cf@sank1> The Pickerings were all mediocre at best, and I honestly wouldn't let one touch any record that I wanted to keep. The mass reference refers to the inertial mass of the arm, which is a different criteria than stylus pressure. Different cartridges like different mass arms & vice versa. Some good cartridges will sound dreadful on a high mass arm. The Shure is one that will still sound great, just not quite as great as on a medium mass arm. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Thanks Stephen, I'll have to look into it. I found a Pickering website out > of the UK that will ship a needle for my existing cartridge. What's your > thoughts on Pickering? And, the mass of the technics arm will affect the > Shure even though I can make the arm as light as possible? Just to much mass > huh? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Mar 22 06:22:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:22:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <20.13ae4ce6.27eae633@aol.com> Gotcha! Thanks! I'm not into changing the arm, outside of the Shure V15-VxMR (I'd wait until I'm working again to purchase), any cartridges designed for tone arms with more mass that come to mind? The guy in the Guitar Center Store (I don't think he knew much) said that the Ortofon was their biggest seller. For DJ's, sure - it's all 1 piece and comes with two extra needles. However, I don't know how it sounds and if it is designed for DJ's, then it's strengths tend to be how well it stays in place during scratching and it's durability. The "plus" for this cartridge was that it was built for the Technics 1200 line and can deal with the mass. Any final thoughts? Thanks! -Sam PS Where can you find a Dragon turntable these days? Hong Kong? Those are very, very "sweet." ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 07:24:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:24:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <20.13ae4ce6.27eae633@aol.com> Message-ID: <016e01c0b298$b71d55a0$aa3442cf@sank1> The Ortofons have a bit too much treble & treble distortion for my taste. Also, even though the Ortofon DJ cartridge was designed to fit a high mass S arm, their cartridges in general like low mass arms. The only other brands for high mass arms that come to mind are moving coil types, which don't have removable styli & must be sent back to the maker for re-tipping if damaged or worn, for about the wholesale cost of a whole new cartridge. Plus, the only one I have personally heard that I thought was competitive with the Shure was a $7k Clearaudio on a $2k Graham arm. The Sumiko Blue Point Special is pretty good, but the most fragile thing you can imagine. On a budget, I think Shure still makes a version of the M97HE, which is a very good sounding piece for under $100. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Gotcha! Thanks! I'm not into changing the arm, outside of the Shure > V15-VxMR (I'd wait until I'm working again to purchase), any cartridges > designed for tone arms with more mass that come to mind? The guy in the > Guitar Center Store (I don't think he knew much) said that the Ortofon was > their biggest seller. For DJ's, sure - it's all 1 piece and comes with two > extra needles. However, I don't know how it sounds and if it is designed for > DJ's, then it's strengths tend to be how well it stays in place during > scratching and it's durability. The "plus" for this cartridge was that it > was built for the Technics 1200 line and can deal with the mass. Any final > thoughts? Thanks! > > -Sam > > PS > > Where can you find a Dragon turntable these days? Hong Kong? Those are > very, very "sweet." > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 07:45:17 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (salim marzuki) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:45:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi enquiry: Anyone able to help/contribute? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010322064517.52823.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> My biased opinion: get a cr4 over bx300. The level and bias test of cr4 is really useful - and convenient if you consider that difference between left and right ch should not be that great. I don't know if I would trade that tests with c.d. 1.5's pb azimuth trim (if any). Salim SM --- winnie pooh wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to this, so please help if you can. If you > are given a choice > between the Nakamichi BX300 or CR-4 or Cassette deck > 1.5, which one would > you choose for getting the best in sound quality? > The price is not > applicable to this, as it will all be the same. Any > comments much > appreciated. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Mar 22 13:47:56 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:47:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a References: <3AB8E49D.62B3B9C7@pacbell.net> <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> <3AB957CA.B89BAC63@pacbell.net> <013e01c0b28c$e20c5b00$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007201c0b2ce$ed7a5b80$92232ac4@coqui.net> Stephen: This time, I agree with you 100% in all the points below ... but I can live easily with a 3014 A. Revox B-215 ? My favorite recording deck. 1000 ZXl ? No rival in the "wow factor" department. The only thing I have disliked from some Naks is their extended and thin highs. That's not "natural" for me. It's not bad sound, but not neutral either. That has been my only complaint since I first heard a Nak 20 years ago ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tandberg 3014a > Outside of Nak, I would have to say I'd choose the Revox B215 over the > 3014A. Built better, a little more sensible to use, and has a very good > auto-cal system, albeit not as good as Nak's. Nak-wise, if I had to choose > one ultimate Nak, taking into account good "wow factor", I'd take a 1000ZXL ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Mar 22 12:57:20 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:27:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? Message-ID: <20010322115720.821331DFBE6@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Mar 22 13:14:30 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:14:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI References: Message-ID: <001101c0b2c9$a63f70c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI > What's your problem? People talking about Akai in a Nakamichi newsgroup. Do I make myself clear? Make an Akai shitgroup but don't put your noise into this NG. If this becomes common ground after a week we've got hundreds of messages about all brands of Hi-Fi equipment. But since Wouter is the originator of this NG, I'm interested in his opinion. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Mar 22 13:24:30 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:24:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI References: <30.122975cf.27eabe2e@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c0b2cb$0b70f030$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI > To all-Kind of funny to compare humor that comes from different parts of the > world. A line thought funny in Europe may well be thought of as an insult in > the US. Ougg, did I really insulting someone with my Akai is shit remark? It's only a bad brand comparing to Nak. I don't write anything insulting about the author! You are right about my domicily, I'm living in The Netherlands. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Thu Mar 22 16:06:57 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:06:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Powerful Bulk Ereaser References: <00a001c0a2b6$2b194d80$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ABA150D.D517E139@sprintmail.com> Just for fun I thought that I would ask the seller about ereasing DVD's and reusing them. Got the following reply. Hi, thanks for the interest in the eraser. It works well on tapes, sound track on films and floppies(they have to be reformatted), I only erased standard CDs, cannot tell you about rewrites or DVD's, as I have none. Regards, Wilfrid (fiff). *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/21/01 at 5:08 AM cvshanson at sprintmail.com wrote: >Just wanted to know if the CD's are reusable after they have been erased. Will the unit work on DVD's that I've burned also? > >Thanks >Vern ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 22 14:06:11 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI References: Message-ID: <002d01c0b2d0$dec7c670$a8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I'll second that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI > What's your problem? > > Someone has asked a question about AKAI, about a very specific deck that > they had, and I found it appropriate to give an answer. In no way I was > suggesting that this was something better than NAK (although, now, I will > say that personally, I'd rather have a GX-9 than a CR1 or a BX1). Sometimes > it is good to mention what translating your adjectives would mean inferior > products. > > Where were you where people were talking about Pioneer CTF1250, Teac V8030, > Tandberg 3014, Revox 215, etc. Some of those units cost more than some mid > line NAKs. Many of us had these units, and it is nice to here opinions of > Stephen, Carlos, et al about how these compare. > > Cheers Mauritis. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Maurits > Sent: Wed, March 21, 2001 6:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > > > > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment > comparable to > > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to > JVC, > > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' > guaranteed > > for upto 150,000 hours. > > Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) > Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't > spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:26:16 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:26:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI Message-ID: Well, Maurits, I don't think you insulted anyone with your remark - maybe it was just a bit too harsh given the general tone of discussion within the group. The reason for such topics to come up is probably the fact that people who like/own Nakamichis are fond of cassette decks and analog equipment in general - and I think it's highly unlikely that anyone's first deck was a Nakamichi. So it's quite natural (IMHO) for a short exchange of messages about decks other than Naks. I actually enjoy myself a lot especially with Stephen's comments on some brands -:). I must confess to owning a Revox B-215 along with the Naks, so maybe I'm biased -:). As long as the exchange doesn't run for days, I've no problem with that - an excellent example of a short and, at least for me, very informative exchange of comments was the thing about TT cartridges between Stephen and, umm, Steve (Sam ? - sorry, I don't remember). A couple of short E-mails back and forth - end of story. That's my two cents, guys - and one other thing - you could at least spell Maurits' name correctly, right ? -:))) George Eastern Europe (I just couldn't help myself -:)))) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Maurits" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:24:30 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mauritis and AKAI > To all-Kind of funny to compare humor that comes from different parts of the > world. A line thought funny in Europe may well be thought of as an insult in > the US. Ougg, did I really insulting someone with my Akai is shit remark? It's only a bad brand comparing to Nak. I don't write anything insulting about the author! You are right about my domicily, I'm living in The Netherlands. Maurits _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Mar 22 14:28:04 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:28:04 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai References: <01C12A7E.277C7BC0@user-2ivffnk.dialup.mindspring.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, Talking about Akai... makes me sick, realy. I had many of them - starting from older GX-F90, GX-F71, GX-F7, GX-F9, GX-F75mk2, GX-F95mk2, and some A&D (Akai made for Japanese market) like GX-7100 (only three head deck mentioned). None of it never get close to Nak. Their "famous" glass-ferrite heads makes harsh higs, higer distortion and produce specific noise, not to mention _extremely_ short life if you ever cleaned those heads with alcohol or anything fast evoporating. And their recording heads... left channel gets into saturation with bias level lover than nominal for Type 4 tapes! When I discovered this at the first time I was sure that it was some mistake, than I learned that ALL of their heads designed in a such way - so, "it's not the bug, it's a feature". I also had some reel-to-reel, like GX-280 and GX-77. Revox or Braun will kill all of them easily. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 18:12:28 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:12:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <20.13ae4ce6.27eae633@aol.com> <016e01c0b298$b71d55a0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003c01c0b22a$1dab25a0$52289bca@smarzuki> Shoot, I just sold my rarely used M105 to a friend ! But the sound is not that good to my ear. Is Shure's micro ridge design the same as audio technica's micro linear ? This AT 152MLP (micro linear) sounds different in that it's not 'hard' on the upper edge - and has been my favorite. I saw many ads some time ago that the high end AT (440ML ?) was sold at a steep discount. I think they should be quite good for 'the rest of us'. Other than that - with my limited experience - I also enjoyed B&O's MMC 2 (can be mounted with a 1/2" adaptor). But this vinyl topic reminds me of another subject ... how come there's so many TT "belt drive" believer but over here on tape-land we like ZX9's and CR7's DD motor so much ? Smaller flywheel size makes the different ? What's nakfellows take on vinyl DD ? Personally I prefer the sound of my old belted TD125 vs kenwood kt550 direct drive (same 3009 arm). Maybe the suspension ? Plinth ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > The Ortofons have a bit too much treble & treble distortion for my taste. > Also, even though the Ortofon DJ cartridge was designed to fit a high mass S > arm, their cartridges in general like low mass arms. The only other brands > for high mass arms that come to mind are moving coil types, which don't have > removable styli & must be sent back to the maker for re-tipping if damaged > or worn, for about the wholesale cost of a whole new cartridge. Plus, the > only one I have personally heard that I thought was competitive with the > Shure was a $7k Clearaudio on a $2k Graham arm. The Sumiko Blue Point > Special is pretty good, but the most fragile thing you can imagine. On a > budget, I think Shure still makes a version of the M97HE, which is a very > good sounding piece for under $100. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 19:29:32 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:29:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SR4 anybody ? Message-ID: <000901c0b234$e1c37320$59289bca@smarzuki> Currently at $90 incl remote, compare to receiver 1 (and needs repair) @ $108. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223013886 60 wpc stasis - remember no amp-in jack on this unit, just have to make your own. Wish I were in texas or anyplace US right now ! SM _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 22 21:07:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <20.13ae4ce6.27eae633@aol.com> <016e01c0b298$b71d55a0$aa3442cf@sank1> <003c01c0b22a$1dab25a0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01dd01c0b30b$a8a6f4e0$aa3442cf@sank1> I'm not familiar with the AT micro linear series. I'd be shocked if it was really anything like Shure's MR tip. Even more shocked if they also did a beryllium foil cantilever as on the V15VMR/VxMR cartridges(I believe the ML140 & the Ultra series were the only other ones with this cantilever), which is the other beautiful thing about the Shure. Highest rigidity & lowest mass cantilever made. As for DD vs belt drive on TT's, I think it has a lot less to do with drive system than it does with platter & bearing design. The DragonCT & 1000TX are DD, but sound wonderful. There are DD's that sound like crap, too, as well as belt drives that sound like crap. The Thorens TD124 & all of the Dual 1000 & 1200 series TT's are rubber idler wheel drive, but sound damn good. These all have very high mass & low resonance platters. Pick up one of these platters & strike it & it will just go "thud", the sign of a well designed platter. Any platter that produces a "gong" soud is bound to be bad sounding, e.g., B&O's, Pioneers, Kenwoods, etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > Shoot, I just sold my rarely used M105 to a friend ! But the sound is not > that good to my ear. > > Is Shure's micro ridge design the same as audio technica's micro linear ? > This AT 152MLP (micro linear) sounds different in that it's not 'hard' on > the upper edge - and has been my favorite. I saw many ads some time ago > that the high end AT (440ML ?) was sold at a steep discount. I think they > should be quite good for 'the rest of us'. Other than that - with my > limited experience - I also enjoyed B&O's MMC 2 (can be mounted with a 1/2" > adaptor). > > But this vinyl topic reminds me of another subject ... how come there's so > many TT "belt drive" believer but over here on tape-land we like ZX9's and > CR7's DD motor so much ? Smaller flywheel size makes the different ? > What's nakfellows take on vinyl DD ? Personally I prefer the sound of my > old belted TD125 vs kenwood kt550 direct drive (same 3009 arm). Maybe the > suspension ? Plinth ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > > > The Ortofons have a bit too much treble & treble distortion for my taste. > > Also, even though the Ortofon DJ cartridge was designed to fit a high mass > S > > arm, their cartridges in general like low mass arms. The only other > brands > > for high mass arms that come to mind are moving coil types, which don't > have > > removable styli & must be sent back to the maker for re-tipping if damaged > > or worn, for about the wholesale cost of a whole new cartridge. Plus, the > > only one I have personally heard that I thought was competitive with the > > Shure was a $7k Clearaudio on a $2k Graham arm. The Sumiko Blue Point > > Special is pretty good, but the most fragile thing you can imagine. On a > > budget, I think Shure still makes a version of the M97HE, which is a very > > good sounding piece for under $100. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 24 18:03:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:03:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <001c01c0b054$fde5a140$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> MVM wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > > I'll disagree. There is MUCH more things that affect the sound > of the cable. As an example - even cable's insulations has > different sound! And there is much, much more. > > Misha > > PS: And of course cables for thousands dollars - BS. > Well, Misha, cable insulation affects the sound by affecting its capacitance. I repeat: cables have ONLY three electrical properties: R, C and L. (I exclude coax cables, where this is still true, but gets a bit more complicated). Each of these properties can be affected by a myriad of factors, but, still, it all boils down to R, C and L. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Amazing looking stuff at http://www.niro.net/index.html but I think that they will make the 1000 zxl seem very cheap Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Mar 25 01:30:11 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:30:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <001c01c0b054$fde5a140$0100007f@localhost> <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000601c0b4c2$c0dfee50$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > MVM wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > As an Engineer, I know of only three electrical > > > attributes that cables have: R (resistance), C > > > (capacitance) and L (inductance). Cables do not > > > > I'll disagree. There is MUCH more things that affect the sound > > of the cable. As an example - even cable's insulations has > > different sound! And there is much, much more. I think electrons don't have any memory. Sine, square, triangle waves any complex soundwaveform don't interact with the electrons. Only deal with the odd electronics formulas, don't believe anything else. Signals are mathematic and has nothing to do with witchcraft or any non science approach. This believe by 'post HiFi set lovers' started early seventies, Magazine sets the trend that cables can sound. > Well, Misha, cable insulation affects the sound by > affecting its capacitance. I repeat: cables have ONLY > three electrical properties: R, C and L. (I exclude > coax cables, where this is still true, but gets a bit > more complicated). Each of these properties can be > affected by a myriad of factors, but, still, it all > boils down to R, C and L. > We know, but it's very hard to deprogram a brainwashed one. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 17:13:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:13:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by now > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > given phenomena. I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do know every single parameter. > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and God, > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it was > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to delayed > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look for > it. Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by manufacturers that know which side of their bread is buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps that have the same spec sound alike. However, those specs have to be correct and complete -- something that amp manufacturers do not make available. > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept that > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is a > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause jitter, > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable that > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates that > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create enough > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it sounds > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than dozens of > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very precisely > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could possibly be > true. I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic signature'. What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. ------------------- The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical characteristics that are perceivable by human ears but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what cannot be measured by electronic instruments. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > everyone > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > bargain. > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't > > fix it ! > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > Peace ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > recommend > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > un-practical > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > > and > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 17:41:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:41:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is that bridge still for sale?? References: <003301c0af13$4a1fa080$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3ABE11B7.8A238244@concentric.net> Before yo'll burst up laughing... I once attended an audiophile meeting where CD bulk erasing was 'tested' by listening to a CD, then erasing it and listening again. Needless to say, non of the auditions was blind. Personally, I didn't hear any difference, but some of the present audiophiles did claim to hear a difference (described in the usual terms: the bass had more 'authority', the mids had more 'presence' and the highs were more 'airy'). There were several Engineers present and when I asked how can a magnetic field possibly affect a non ferrous item, I was told I should 'suspend my disbelief'... LOL... -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Not for metal tape ... do not use near cardiac pacemaker, hmm ... is metal > tape tougher to erase than human lifeform ? No wonder I end up with so many > worn heads ! > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > Subject: [naktalk] Is that bridge still for sale?? > > > Hey guys, check out this ad for a smile. This Realistic bulk magnetic > > eraser is supposed to be able to erase CD's! Hey Ron, is that bridge > still > > for sale?? (It kind of reminds me of a virus "warning" I had forwarded to > > me recently that said this particular virus was so dangerous that it will > > permanently damage your hard drive and, amongst other things.....even your > > speakers!! That must be some virus!!) > > > > Roland > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222936819 > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 18:14:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:14:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 References: <4e.12e9fc77.27e524bf@aol.com> <002101c0af2d$c734f6a0$73232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ABE1981.7CD11AD3@concentric.net> Well, this is a free market. Things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them. As long as someone is willing to shell out $2250 for a 1000ZXL, that's what it's worth. Too bad... I would love to own one, but for this kind of money, I'll stick with my CR-7. I wonder if people that are willing to pay that much for the deck also have a sound system of the quality that will exploit its capabilities -- or is it mainly to impress the neighbors? -- Ron Carlos wrote: > > As long as crazy people continue paying crazy amount of money for gear like > that, sellers will continue doing easy profits everyday. That's the same > story with the audio cables and wires: as long as people continue paying > $1,000 + for a pair of 1 meter interconnects, why not continue supplying > them ? > > I guess, we are all in the same asylum ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 > > > Incredible! This deck is at least 16 years old and commands this price. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222249893 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 18:21:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:21:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL manual References: <3AB3DF0F.BB06C00F@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <3ABE1B25.95365395@concentric.net> I downloaded the 1000ZXL users manual from http://support.naks.com/support. login with: naktalk password: nakaholic As far as I know, the service manual is not available there. -- Ron Isy Fidelman wrote: > > I was wondering where I can get or download the Users and Service > Manual of th Nakamichi 1000ZXL. > Please let me know... > Thanks > Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 18:37:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:37:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) References: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> <3AB3A03E.D1C6ED28@pacbell.net> <013701c0af1e$f1791d60$663442cf@sank1> <004001c0af2f$98165ce0$73232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ABE1ED2.916D5161@concentric.net> Carlos wrote: > > [.........] > You take 2 engineers. Give them the same parts > and let them developed their own design. I bet you 100 bucks that one of > them will come sounding much better than the other .... But, of course! By the same token, take two carpenters, give them the same wood, yet one will come up with a work of art while the other will come up with a piece of furniture that will never serve well and will wear out in no time. There is no question that there are good engineers and bad engineers and that the former will produce better designs. > .... and don't be surprised if the one with more > THD please you more and sounds more musical. Which is why many people prefer tube amplifiers to SS ones, even though the SS amps has far less distortion. While audiophiles pay lip service to 'accurate' reproduction, many actually prefer a moderate amount of even order harmonic distortion (this is why some audiophiles prefer single ended to push-pull amps). -- Ron > > That's life ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > > Actually, circuit board foil, when copper & enameled, is a pretty decent > > "wire", as long as it is wide enough to have enough guage for the current > > it's passing(which is why it usually sucks for speaker crossovers). Since > > it is thin & flat, it's like a small & less pure version of Alpha-Core > > Goertz foil wire, which is very decent. > > It certainly is appalling what most speaker manufacturers consider "good" > > crossover parts & internal wiring. Even on the Nautilus line, at the > price > > of a really nice used Mercedes, B&W still uses round-wire inductors(full > of > > hysterisis distortion), even though they have finally started using nice > > capacitors, and they still use too-small Monster cable for wire. Then > there > > are companies like Thiel & Paradigm, who proudly display their crossovers > in > > their ads, despite being full of obviously cheap components, with far too > > much complexity to have a chance of sounding transparent. My philosophy > of > > speaker building is 1)best possible components & wiring, and 2)simplest > > crossover possible. If I find that a driver needs any kind of > compensation > > elements(Zobel networks, resistors, etc.) in the crossover at all to match > > the other drivers, I abandon it & find a driver that doesn't require any. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 10:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > > > > > > > Dear Naktalkers, > > > > > > This is where I have to jump in to the interconnect/speaker cable > debate. > > When one > > > considers the pathways that exist before and after any interconnect > (foil > > pc boards > > > both in the electronics and often in the crossover assemblies of > > loudspeakers and that > > > thinner than hair protection fuse and the often cheap/thin wiring inside > a > > > loudspeaker) one has to consider that a circuit can only be as good as > > it's weakest > > > link. > > > > > > There is an excellent article in the most recent Listener magazine about > > the > > > interconnect debate which finishes with plans to make interconnects with > > magnet wire > > > and other components all available from Radioshack (I did not build them > > because they > > > will be ugly and delicate for my Guerilla hands). One excellent point > the > > author > > > makes is that crossovers should not be hidden inside loudspeakers and > the > > "dirty > > > little secret" about why is most revealing--extremely cheap <$1.00 and > > non-hard-wired > > > parts in exotic/expensive loudspeakers. Run a kilowatt through these > > "weak links" and > > > think of the stress on these frail pathways! > > > > > > This is just a hobbyist's point of view offered to draw out the thoughts > > of > > > professionals like Stephen, Carlos, etc. > > > > > > As a hobbyist hifi ebayseller, much like an auto mechanic, the last > place > > I want to > > > look when I go home is under the hood. Always remember to enjoy the > > music! and happy > > > Saintpatrick'sday > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Brian Stocker, enjoyer of the most decadent portable stereo ever built > (I > > think), nak > > > 250/-ads/2002 in an anvilcase! > > > > > > Herb Chong wrote: > > > > > > > there is training too. unless you know what to listen for, you don't > > know. > > > > for instance, when MD's first came out, i did a bunch fo blind and > > > > non-blind listening with a CD and an optical transfer to MD. the most > > > > distinct and easily heard difference was in the high frequencies. this > > is > > > > best heard when comparing to a CD whose master was on an older tape > > where > > > > the tape noise is audible on the CD (i used Groege Benson's Breezin as > a > > > > good example). the MD version has noise that slightly pumps compared > to > > the > > > > CD. it takes training to recognize and quantify that and not just good > > ears > > > > with no threshold shift nor phase differences. > > > > > > > > hearing a difference and repeatably and reliably hearing a difference > in > > > > the correct direction is much harder than most audiophiles will admit. > > > > gross cable differences are really obvious. that is why i rewired > > internal > > > > cables on my B&W speakers with 12 gauge silver wire. the internal > wiring > > > > was 16 gauge. B&W is not your average speaker company. we then did A&B > > > > tests with the identical model. (BTW, i talked my dealer into doing > the > > > > rewiring for me. the fine print said that the warrantee was not > > affective > > > > if he, an authorized B&W dealer, did it). major differences, as you > > would > > > > expect in the low end. smoother and better damped. not much lower > since > > the > > > > drivers really roll off quickly below about 70Hz (3dB down at that > > point). > > > > we couldn't generate a spectrum plot of the new setup nor measure it, > > but > > > > the difference was really obvious to all who listened. the before and > > after > > > > speakers were close enough together that room resonance differences > > should > > > > not have had an effect. > > > > > > > > Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 19:06:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:06:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <2d.8edc1fc.27e5b0f0@aol.com> <000901c0af86$9b68f7c0$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ABE2592.8FA3D852@concentric.net> As an owner of a vintage CLD-3030 and a newer CLD-D704, I quite agree that build quality of the newer players was *much* inferior (the 3030 is built like a tank. But, lift a corner of the 704 wile playing and the transport starts to complain, loudly). OTOH, picture quality of the 704 is easily better than the 3030 -- the 3030 is softer and has visibly more video noise. In addition, the 3030 did not have AC-3 RF output -- however, that was very easy to add. As to sound quality, both units sound fairly good, but I find that both sound (marginally) better as transports, using the pre-amp DAC. Until I got a Pioneer DVD player, the 704 was my only means of listening to CD-RWs. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The high-end Pioneer CD players were quite good transports, but none of them > as good a transport or near as good a stand-alone CD player as the > CLD-95/3080 LD/CD player. The CLD-95 was the last of their LD players to > have both multi-bit DAC's & a beatiful brushless spindle motor(much more > massive than their CD players's motors). All players that followed were > rapidly downhill on both sound & build quality. Wouldn't touch a new one of > any variety. The only hitch on the 95 or 3080 as a transport is that they > are optical-only as stock, so one must install a good coax RCA or BNC output > to take full advantage for external DAC use. > Many of the preamps & amps were quite nicely built, but I have never given > any of them a serious listen, nor have I looked at the current line. The > Elite receivers were & are crap, as are most of the Elite cassette decks. > The only decent tuner I've seen was the F-91, which was still not even as > good as a Yamaha T-80. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > > > Yes Stephen, the Pioneer Elite series was very nice. Do you recommend the > > tuner and amp? I almost purchased the CD player before I left Europe - a > > very nice machine! > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 19:22:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:22:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <00a101c0af41$fced0260$048ee2c3@a9u3z8> <022801c0af58$d8210780$663442cf@sank1> <001f01c0b001$6b24bec0$738fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <3ABE296C.9A5CBD6B@concentric.net> Sinclair Forrest wrote: > > Thanks for that, Stephen. Interestingly, there is a Pioneer CLD 925 > laserdisc player for sale over here - about £50. I thought about it, but > baulked at the optical only output. I realize that one of the audiophile mantras is denigrating optical interconnects --supposedly, because of their higher jitter. Please rest assured that this is as false as many other mystical beliefs. With any quality equipment, coax and fiber interconnects are absolutely, mathematically, identical. There are differences, though. Fiber cable is fragile and more easily damaged. Quality of TosLink connectors is poor by design (these are immaterial, unless you plan to connect/disconnect often). Fiber provides DC isolation (important only if you have ground loop problems). Finally, coax is cheaper. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Mar 25 19:52:56 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:52:56 +0200 Subject: No subject References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.ne Message-ID: <00d901c0b552$e77c4280$53021fac@brianm> t> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf at sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F at concentric.net> Subject: Cables Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:42:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Ron, lovingly, I disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As said before, I am not going to argue the cable issue, but as long as you are going to spew your opinions, I will mine, I HAVE HEARD THE DIFFERENCES in cables. I gave an example in my previous e-mail on this subject, nobody, this includes you, explained how I knew the cables were backwards. You believe there is no difference, I and others do, so be it. Enough said. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by now > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > given phenomena. > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > know every single parameter. > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and God, > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it was > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to delayed > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look for > > it. > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept that > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is a > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause jitter, > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable that > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates that > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create enough > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it sounds > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than dozens of > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very precisely > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could possibly be > > true. > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > signature'. > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > ------------------- > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > everyone > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > bargain. > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't > > > fix it ! > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > recommend > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > un-practical > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > > > and > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 21:01:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:01:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Have you ran across these monsters? -stick to Nak References: Message-ID: <3ABE407B.1CF3F56C@concentric.net> George Valkov wrote: > > [.............] > Another reason for my decision was the possibility of > receiving something in a considerably worse condition than described - just > imagine shipping it back to the US and/or trying to get my money back from > halfway across the world. I tend to agree with you. IME, the level of dishonesty on ebay is quite high, covering anything from misrepresentation of the item to just pocketing the money and shipping nothing. Personally, I would *only* buy if the seller can accept charge card or PayPal approved payments. That way, one is, at least partially, protected. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 25 21:19:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:19:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> Ron, I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely confident that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, that you will hear a marked difference. I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not hear a difference. Explain that! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by now > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > given phenomena. > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > know every single parameter. > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and God, > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it was > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to delayed > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look for > > it. > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept that > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is a > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause jitter, > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable that > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates that > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create enough > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it sounds > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than dozens of > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very precisely > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could possibly be > > true. > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > signature'. > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > ------------------- > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > everyone > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > bargain. > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't > > > fix it ! > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > recommend > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > un-practical > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > > > and > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Mar 25 21:50:08 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:50:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals Message-ID: <001801c0b564$d2d056c0$f28b9a40@compaq> Sorry, but I'm unable to get manual info on Nak decks. One site ask me for a password and the support.naks.com site does not access me to anything. Can someone please help me out with info and directions? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 21:51:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:51:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <20.13ae4ce6.27eae633@aol.com> <016e01c0b298$b71d55a0$aa3442cf@sank1> <003c01c0b22a$1dab25a0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3ABE4C5F.DD37EB2C@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Shoot, I just sold my rarely used M105 to a friend ! But the sound is not > that good to my ear. > > Is Shure's micro ridge design the same as audio technica's micro linear ? All these trade names refer to variations on the elliptical stylus idea. If you look at any 'elliptical' stylus through a microspcope, you will see that none of them are actually elliptical. Rather, they are round, with four additional flat areas, so that the shape *approximates* an ellipse. Theoretically, this stylus shape reduces distortion (the so called 'pinch distortion' that imparts vertical motion to the stylus). I doubt there is much sonic difference between the different shapes. > This AT 152MLP (micro linear) sounds different in that it's not 'hard' on > the upper edge - and has been my favorite. I saw many ads some time ago > that the high end AT (440ML ?) was sold at a steep discount. I think they > should be quite good for 'the rest of us'. Other than that - with my > limited experience - I also enjoyed B&O's MMC 2 (can be mounted with a 1/2" > adaptor). > > But this vinyl topic reminds me of another subject ... how come there's so > many TT "belt drive" believer but over here on tape-land we like ZX9's and > CR7's DD motor so much ? In the first place, I disagree with the bad rep that DD TTs seem to have. Much of it stems from the cheap, poorly designed TTs that used (and touted in the ads) DD, but sounded real bad. A well executed DD has lower noise and better speed accuracy (and, more important, speed constancy) than any belt drive design. As to tape deck drives -- they are far less important than the drive mechanism of TTs. > Smaller flywheel size makes the different ? > What's nakfellows take on vinyl DD ? Personally I prefer the sound of my > old belted TD125 vs kenwood kt550 direct drive (same 3009 arm). Maybe the > suspension ? Plinth ? Arm mounting characteristics and platter mass have much more influence on sound quality than the drive mechanism. I am not familiar with your Technic TT. The TD125 was a superb TT. I used it with the Lenco arm -- a beautiful combination -- but your SME should be even better. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > > The Ortofons have a bit too much treble & treble distortion for my taste. > > Also, even though the Ortofon DJ cartridge was designed to fit a high mass > S > > arm, their cartridges in general like low mass arms. The only other > brands > > for high mass arms that come to mind are moving coil types, which don't > have > > removable styli & must be sent back to the maker for re-tipping if damaged > > or worn, for about the wholesale cost of a whole new cartridge. Plus, the > > only one I have personally heard that I thought was competitive with the > > Shure was a $7k Clearaudio on a $2k Graham arm. The Sumiko Blue Point > > Special is pretty good, but the most fragile thing you can imagine. On a > > budget, I think Shure still makes a version of the M97HE, which is a very > > good sounding piece for under $100. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 22:21:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:21:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <89.40612ee.27eac5b9@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ABE5366.B8218256@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All! > > Not to continue to ride the non-Nak discussions (actually I have truly > enjoyed them all !) - a poor attempt at humor. > > I need to purchase a new stylus and cartridge for my turntable and wanted to > ask the collective wisdom of this group what are a few that I should > consider? My old stylus is a Pickering XV-15 and falls in the "DJ" category > from my old DJ days. (it has lasted to this day some 14 years later). > Actually, I wanted to replace the needle only to learn that I can't find one > anywhere. My turntable is the legendary Technics 1210 MKII. > > No that my DJ days are over, I would like to upgrade (if that's an > appropriate phrase) to a cartridge that is classified as "Hi-Fi." My local > Guitar Center has Ortofon Concord Night Club E on sale ( a DJ 1-piece > cartridge) that is very interesting. What are your thoughts? I'm not > familiar with Ortofon. This Guitar Center store also carries a few Shure > cartridges, and given their reputation in microphones is it safe to assume > their cartridges are excellent as well? What about the Shure M111E or V15 > Type VxMR Cartridge? > > I'm not looking to spend a great deal of money, and I do play a few LP's that > are not in the greatest shape, so I don't want anything that is sooooooooo > specialized and pristine that it can't handle anything other than a new LP. > Any information you can provide is GREATLY appreciated. And, if you feel > more comfortable please feel free to respond offline from NakTalkers. Thanks! > > -Sam I supposed I am biased, having owned mostly Shure V-15 series cartridges over the past 25 years or so. About 15 years ago, my turntable (along with the cartridge) was appropriated by my daughter -- I am not sure why, the music she listens to was 100% distortion, right off the record. After much cajoling from a dealer, I bought an Ortofon cartridge that sounded pretty good at the store. I used it for several months, always wondering why I didn't enjoy it, then traded it in for some other component and bought another Shure. At this point, I still have that V15-VMR. I have no idea what they cost now or if a newer model is offered. The sound is bright, very clean and 'open' and on the 'clinical' side. I run it at 1.5 grams for VTF on a Revox B-791 and fully intend it to be my last cartridge ever. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 22:28:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:28:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Can CR2A do 20-20 +/- 1.5 at 0 dB? References: Message-ID: <3ABE54E4.56BD327@concentric.net> > Stan Targowski wrote: > > There is an ad on e-Bay for a "calibrated" CR2A. According > to the specs suggested by the seller, using the Maxell > MX-110 tape the frequency response is 20-20,000Hz +/- > 1.5dB at 0dB. This would be a phenomenal result for this > deck at -20dB. The wow and flutter numbers are specified > at 0.026%wrms? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223108718 > > If you remember there were also some ads a while back by a > fellow out of Holland for ZX9 and 700ZXL claiming, for > example, frequency response of the former to be something > like 10-26,000Hz +/- 1dB. > > I am just curious to hear some comments from the experts > as to whether these results are possible. Have any of you > guys seen these in your labs? If this is the case, is > Nakamichi just modest claiming 20-20,000Hz +/- 2db at > -20VU for a CR7A? > > Stan You should take claims made by ebay sellers with a bag of salt. So many different decks are sold there as 'The Best Tape Deck Ever made' that it's not even funny any more. IIRC, this same claim was made for a Nak 480 not too long ago. Nice deck, but 'The Best Ever Made'? Gimme a break! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 25 23:20:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:20:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Thank you and a question again References: Message-ID: <3ABE6103.47FDFD9C@concentric.net> winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi, > > Thank you for all those who replied to my enquiry about the > CR-4/Bx-300/CD1.5 issue. Can I just ask, what is the approximate price for a > CR-4 nowadays? See the price section on the nak.com website. > Also, I was reading some of the other discussions and am > wondering, what is so special about the SR-4 receiver? What is this stasis > circuitry? Stasis refers to the circuit configuration that Nakamichi licensed from, IIRC, Threshold. Based on reviews, the Nakamichi implementation was inferior to the original. Nonetheless, Nak sold a large number and was generally highly regarded. As an Engineer, I may be interested in circuit schematics and how things tick under the hood. But, as an audio enthusiast, all I care about is the final performance. I do not give credence to buzz words that originate in Marketing, rather than in Engineering. While smoke and mirrors are typical for such companies as Carver or Bose, they are unfortunately present in many (most?) companies, to some degree. Bottom line -- my advice is to ignore 'stasis' or other buzz words. Just consider performance specifications and listening tests. > As I said before, I am new to all this, so may be asking some > very obvious/stupid questions to all of you experts out there. IMHO, there is no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid answers. -- Ron > Please bear > with me. Any answers much appreciated, so that I can educate myself! Thanks. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 00:45:55 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:45:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001c01c0b57d$5afacfe0$6e232ac4@coqui.net> Wow ! Ron here has just declared the abolition of mastering engineers where the only measuring instruments has been our ears ... So all your Cd's and Vinyl collection are wrong because those who cutted the acetate or burned the PMCD never used an spectrum analyzer ... Oh ! shit, now I feel guilty about all those Platinum and Golden records I have earned during the last 20 years ... Even that humble grammy ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlos" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose itself > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I mean > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until they > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, everyone > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > everyone > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those ridiculous > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > bargain. > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and it's > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, don't > > > fix it ! > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > recommend > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > un-practical > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull shit > > > and > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair of > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 00:48:33 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:48:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 References: <4e.12e9fc77.27e524bf@aol.com> <002101c0af2d$c734f6a0$73232ac4@coqui.net> <3ABE1981.7CD11AD3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002401c0b57d$b9231f00$6e232ac4@coqui.net> That's exactly what I mean, Ron ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 > > Well, this is a free market. Things are worth as much > as people are willing to pay for them. As long as > someone is willing to shell out $2250 for a 1000ZXL, > that's what it's worth. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 00:51:53 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:51:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) References: <200103170849_MC2-C931-6044@compuserve.com> <3AB3A03E.D1C6ED28@pacbell.net> <013701c0af1e$f1791d60$663442cf@sank1> <004001c0af2f$98165ce0$73232ac4@coqui.net> <3ABE1ED2.916D5161@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002c01c0b57e$304e04a0$6e232ac4@coqui.net> No Ron, I wasn't referring to the engineers "quality" but to his/her invention, art, crazyness, cleverness etc ... A difference in taste doesn't means that this carpenter is good and the other is bad as well as audio engineers. You have my point now ??? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audiophilia (reply to Stephen's question) > There is no question that there are good > engineers and bad engineers and that the former will > produce better designs. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Mar 25 23:50:59 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:50:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals References: <001801c0b564$d2d056c0$f28b9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <006f01c0b575$ae192b20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals Sorry, but I'm unable to get manual info on Nak decks. One site ask me for a password and the support.naks.com site does not access me to anything. Can someone please help me out with info and directions? Thanks. Witch manual do you need? Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 26 00:29:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:29:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> Stephen, You, of all people, know very well that the signal in a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way its performance can be improved. I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather than the cable or sending equipment. The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, then one should test the digital performance; meaning, use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. Regards, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely confident > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, that > you will hear a marked difference. > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not hear a > difference. Explain that! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by > now > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > > given phenomena. > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > know every single parameter. > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and > God, > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it > was > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > delayed > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look > for > > > it. > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > that > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is > a > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > jitter, > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable > that > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates > that > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > enough > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > sounds > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > dozens of > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > precisely > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > possibly be > > > true. > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > signature'. > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > ------------------- > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > itself > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > mean > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > they > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > everyone > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > everyone > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > ridiculous > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > it's > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > don't > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > recommend > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > un-practical > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > shit > > > > and > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > of > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 26 00:37:31 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: cables References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.ne <00d901c0b552$e77c4280$53021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3ABE732B.7041D2C0@concentric.net> Brian, Actually, I never said that there is no difference between analog cables. What I did say was that, first, there are 3 electrical characteristics to cables, all well known and understood -- there are no magical properties. And, second, that good cables shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. The major ingredient in esoteric cables is something called 'markup'. Normal, reasonable quality cables are just as good (or, admittedly, just about as good) for a tiny fraction of the price. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > t> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf at sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F at concentric.net> > Subject: Cables > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:42:01 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Ron, lovingly, I > disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > As said before, I am not going to argue the cable issue, but as long as you > are going to spew your opinions, I will mine, I HAVE HEARD THE DIFFERENCES > in cables. > > I gave an example in my previous e-mail on this subject, nobody, this > includes you, explained how I knew the cables were backwards. > > You believe there is no difference, I and others do, so be it. > > Enough said. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by > now > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > > given phenomena. > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > know every single parameter. > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and > God, > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it > was > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > delayed > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look > for > > > it. > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > that > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is > a > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > jitter, > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable > that > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates > that > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > enough > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > sounds > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > dozens of > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > precisely > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > possibly be > > > true. > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > signature'. > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > ------------------- > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > itself > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > mean > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > they > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > everyone > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > everyone > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > ridiculous > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > it's > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > don't > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > recommend > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > un-practical > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > shit > > > > and > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > of > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Mon Mar 26 00:31:43 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:31:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001f01c0b57b$5fcdc6a0$b205efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Can we just agree to disagree? I'm really sick of this whole thread. Kevin Rogers > > Stephen, > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > its performance can be improved. > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > than the cable or sending equipment. > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Ron, > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely confident > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, that > > you will hear a marked difference. > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not hear a > > difference. Explain that! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by > > now > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and > > God, > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it > > was > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > delayed > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look > > for > > > > it. > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > > that > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is > > a > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > > jitter, > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable > > that > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates > > that > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > > enough > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > > sounds > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > dozens of > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > precisely > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > possibly be > > > > true. > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > signature'. > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > itself > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > > mean > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > > they > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > everyone > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > > everyone > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > ridiculous > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > > it's > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > > don't > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > > shit > > > > > and > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > > of > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 26 00:46:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:46:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <001c01c0b57d$5afacfe0$6e232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ABE7529.E05CA738@concentric.net> Carlos, I certainly never advocated that you abolish your ears... This remind me of the argument about computers -- are they better than humans? Well, they are -- if you want to get the square root of a 10 digit number. But not, if you ask which of two girls is more beautiful. Measuring instruments are better than human ears to determine frequency response or distortion. But to evaluate a performance of a Beethoven symphony or determine instrument balance in cutting a master, there is no substitute for a good pair of ears. Hope this clarifies what I said. -- Ron Carlos wrote: > > Wow ! Ron here has just declared the abolition of mastering engineers where > the only measuring instruments has been our ears ... So all your Cd's and > Vinyl collection are wrong because those who cutted the acetate or burned > the PMCD never used an spectrum analyzer ... Oh ! shit, now I feel guilty > about all those Platinum and Golden records I have earned during the last > 20 years ... Even that humble grammy ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > itself > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > mean > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > they > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > everyone > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > everyone > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > ridiculous > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > it's > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > don't > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > recommend > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > un-practical > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > shit > > > > and > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > of > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 26 00:59:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:59:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals References: <001801c0b564$d2d056c0$f28b9a40@compaq> <006f01c0b575$ae192b20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3ABE783E.1E66E24@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:50 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals > > Sorry, but I'm unable to get manual info on Nak decks. One site ask > me for a password and the support.naks.com site does not access me to > anything. Can someone please help me out with info and directions? > Thanks. > > Witch manual do you need? > > Maurits > Just go to: http://support.naks.com/support. Login: naktalk Password: nakaholic -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 02:19:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:19:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <001c01c0b57d$5afacfe0$6e232ac4@coqui.net> <3ABE7529.E05CA738@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c0b58a$75f3cc40$6e232ac4@coqui.net> Thanks God ! Because I was really worry about your arguments ... Ha, Ha , Ha !!!! You don't want to abolish our ears but don't agree with subjective measures ... Now I'm lost ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Carlos, I certainly never advocated that you abolish > your ears... > > This remind me of the argument about computers -- are > they better than humans? Well, they are -- if you want > to get the square root of a 10 digit number. But not, > if you ask which of two girls is more beautiful. > > Measuring instruments are better than human ears to > determine frequency response or distortion. But to > evaluate a performance of a Beethoven symphony or > determine instrument balance in cutting a master, > there is no substitute for a good pair of ears. > > Hope this clarifies what I said. > > -- Ron > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Wow ! Ron here has just declared the abolition of mastering engineers where > > the only measuring instruments has been our ears ... So all your Cd's and > > Vinyl collection are wrong because those who cutted the acetate or burned > > the PMCD never used an spectrum analyzer ... Oh ! shit, now I feel guilty > > about all those Platinum and Golden records I have earned during the last > > 20 years ... Even that humble grammy ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > itself > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > > mean > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > > they > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > everyone > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > > everyone > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > ridiculous > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > > it's > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > > don't > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > > shit > > > > > and > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > > of > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 26 02:32:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:32:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> Ron, I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your scientific knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. As I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces jitter of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, you will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect transient response. So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly designed digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't sound bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me why this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife or other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance that you're being honest with yourself & with us. NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are heard! Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! Music is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last parameter of it's reproduction. So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your "scientific" opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, I will Fedex you a cable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Stephen, > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > its performance can be improved. > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > than the cable or sending equipment. > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Ron, > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely confident > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, that > > you will hear a marked difference. > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not hear a > > difference. Explain that! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have learned by > > now > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter of a > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly different(and > > God, > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think it > > was > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of the > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > delayed > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. Some > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to look > > for > > > > it. > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > > that > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital signal is > > a > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform as > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > > jitter, > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital cable > > that > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the spec'd > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory dictates > > that > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > > enough > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact the > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > > sounds > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > dozens of > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > precisely > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & other > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > possibly be > > > > true. > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > signature'. > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > itself > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know what I > > mean > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you until > > they > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > everyone > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, not > > > > everyone > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as the > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable with > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > ridiculous > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, you'll > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a real > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line and > > it's > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's working, > > don't > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are taking > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order to > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is bull > > shit > > > > > and > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a pair > > of > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. 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Name: not available URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 08:27:28 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:27:28 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals Message-ID: To all who missed Wouter's post about the new password: gearmod George ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:19:41 +0530 (IST) Dear Ron The password had been changed by Wouter and this password no longer works. Wouter can you post the new password to access the site for people who want to download the manuals? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals >Maurits wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "bigbear69" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:50 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Access to Nak Manuals >> >> Sorry, but I'm unable to get manual info on Nak decks. One site ask >> me for a password and the support.naks.com site does not access me to >> anything. Can someone please help me out with info and directions? >> Thanks. >> >> Witch manual do you need? >> >> Maurits >> > >Just go to: > >http://support.naks.com/support. > >Login: naktalk >Password: nakaholic > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 26 09:18:05 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:18:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] support site Message-ID: <3ABEED2D.79CBAAF1@xs4all.nl> Hi, The login for the support site is: naktalk and t he password: gearmod Enjoy! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 26 12:00:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:00:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 660 / no monitor manuals References: <001801c0b564$d2d056c0$f28b9a40@compaq> <006f01c0b575$ae192b20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <001d01bf1ec9$ed93a800$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <050d01c0b5db$875f2a00$aa3442cf@sank1> I don't have a 660 manual at the moment, but, going on memory, if you poke around the middle front area of the main PCB, you'll come accross two test points that are on the output of the monitor playback head amp that is used for user-calibration metering & auto-azimuth function. You can use these for precise rec head azimuth & height alignment. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 2:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] 660 / no monitor manuals > Hi all, > > Does anybody have 660zx service manual ? I need mostly the electrical > adjustment section, esp. in setting up the recording level / bias and > recording head adjustment. Probably any other 3 head decks-with-no-monitor > could be a help, or should I treat this 660 as a 2 head deck ? How do I > adjust the rec head azimuth manually (after pulling out the auto motor > connector) ? > > Thanks in advance. > Salim SM > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Mar 26 16:18:58 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:18:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. I wonder of a spectrum analyser can see the difference between a Bechstein or a Yamaha Grand piano. Golden years can hear that, even when recording at vinyl, CD or NAK ;-) Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 19:07:11 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX service manual In-Reply-To: <050d01c0b5db$875f2a00$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010326170711.15114.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, I have a 660ZX service manual. I'll scan the pages that you will need and send them too you or post them on my web site. SJ --- Stephen Sank wrote: > I don't have a 660 manual at the moment, but, going > on memory, if you poke > around the middle front area of the main PCB, you'll > come accross two test > points that are on the output of the monitor > playback head amp that is used > for user-calibration metering & auto-azimuth > function. You can use these > for precise rec head azimuth & height alignment. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 2:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 660 / no monitor manuals > > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody have 660zx service manual ? I need > mostly the electrical > > adjustment section, esp. in setting up the > recording level / bias and > > recording head adjustment. Probably any other 3 > head > decks-with-no-monitor > > could be a help, or should I treat this 660 as a 2 > head deck ? How do I > > adjust the rec head azimuth manually (after > pulling out the auto motor > > connector) ? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Salim SM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RAKNAK57 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 19:08:00 2001 From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com (RAKNAK57 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:08:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] please end my subsciption Message-ID: <87.8af3ae8.27f0d170@aol.com> thank you so much, but i would like to be removed from naktalk sincerely, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 26 21:29:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:29:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3ABF98AD.15A54114@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > I wonder of a spectrum analyser can see the difference between a > Bechstein or a Yamaha Grand piano. > Golden years can hear that, even when recording at vinyl, CD or NAK > ;-) > If you can hear the difference, the spectrum analyser will show it. What it can't tell you is which pianist is better. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:34:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:34:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: <23.957e618.27f0f3b2@aol.com> This is true - it is a "free" market. However, this raises another question - what is SO special about the 1000ZXL? It appears that the majority opinion of this group that the 1000ZXL is Nak's best and most desired deck. Why? I am also a photography hobbyist and I wanted to ask if this is analogous to the response photographers give when you ask them what is the BEST camera. Although professionals use many cameras, the overall majority of professional photographers will say the "Nikon F5." The F5, like the 1000ZXL has been around for some time. It is extremely sturdy, and like the 1000ZXL it is all manual. Is that the determining factor - the fact that it is all manual that makes it so appealing to those in the "know?" Is the 1000ZXL, like the Nikon F5, built like a "tank?" Do the tapes made using the 1000ZXL sound THAT much better than those created on a ZX-9 or CR-7? Just curious as to why this particular Nak (there are many excellent naks) seems to be so highly desired? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:43:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <14.11970d97.27f0f5f6@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2001 2:24:47 PM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << raah at concentric.net >> Hi Ron, Thank you for sharing this with me. I've responded offline in more detail. For the group at large, listed below is the URL for a website dedicated to cartridges: www.needledoctor.com I hope it helps! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:45:07 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:45:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> Yeah Its funny......DD turntables always seem to kick butt over belt drive tables, but never touch them in sound quality. Another example of how our hearing differs from measuring equiptment. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:47:39 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:47:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 again... Message-ID: I have a reccommendation for that mint dragon. If interested E-mail me privately. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 22:09:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:09:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <71.bdecd80.27f0fc0f@aol.com> Hi Stephen! What were the results of your A/B comparisons between the Tandberg 3014 and 3014a? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 23:53:47 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:53:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3ABF98AD.15A54114@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004801c0b63f$3d9454e0$65302ac4@coqui.net> I'll really love to see that !!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > > If you can hear the difference, the spectrum analyser > will show it. What it can't tell you is which pianist > is better. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fluffhead48 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 20:53:34 2001 From: fluffhead48 at hotmail.com (Andy Tauber) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:53:34 Subject: [naktalk] please end my subsciption Message-ID: i would like to be removed from the list. thanks guys, andy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Mar 26 23:58:16 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:58:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005e01c0b63f$dd1c7b00$65302ac4@coqui.net> Hey Stephen: I'm not posting any scientific comments here but I cretainly want to try your DC against the Apogee and LAT. Can you make that AES/EBU ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > Ron, > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your scientific > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. As > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces jitter > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, you > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > transient response. > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly designed > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't sound > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me why > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife or > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance that > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are heard! > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! Music > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last parameter > of it's reproduction. > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your "scientific" > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, I > will Fedex you a cable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > its performance can be improved. > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > confident > > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, > that > > > you will hear a marked difference. > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not > hear a > > > difference. Explain that! > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > learned by > > > now > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter > of a > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > different(and > > > God, > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think > it > > > was > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of > the > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > > delayed > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. > Some > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to > look > > > for > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > > > that > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > signal is > > > a > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform > as > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > > > jitter, > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital > cable > > > that > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the > spec'd > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > dictates > > > that > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > > > enough > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact > the > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > > > sounds > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > > dozens of > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > > precisely > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & > other > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > > possibly be > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > > itself > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know > what I > > > mean > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you > until > > > they > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > > everyone > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, > not > > > > > everyone > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as > the > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable > with > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > > ridiculous > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, > you'll > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a > real > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line > and > > > it's > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > working, > > > don't > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are > taking > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order > to > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is > bull > > > shit > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a > pair > > > of > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 27 00:55:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:55:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3ABF98AD.15A54114@concentric.net> <004801c0b63f$3d9454e0$65302ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ABFC8DF.B9FAC1C@concentric.net> Gee, Carlos, do I detect a note of skepticism???? :-) Seriously, though... The difference we perceive between two instruments is nothing more than the different distribution of harmonics. A spectrum analyzer will show this very easily, as will a sonograph. As a matter of fact, you can even use a sonograph to compare voices of people. Quite revealing. -- Ron Carlos wrote: > > I'll really love to see that !!!! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > > > If you can hear the difference, the spectrum analyser > > will show it. What it can't tell you is which pianist > > is better. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 27 01:08:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:08:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 References: <23.957e618.27f0f3b2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ABFCBE8.B13C52E4@concentric.net> Depending on what country you're in, that camera could be a Leica. Many years ago, I was at a camera store, buying a Nikormat FTN. Next to me was a person, eyeing an obviously old Leica. The price was kinda high. The person said, "That much? How old is it, anyway?" and the store keeper replied, "Who cares? Does a Leica have an age?" Until I actually used a Leica, I didn't appreciate this remark. I imagine the same may be true of the 1000ZXL. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > This is true - it is a "free" market. However, this raises another question > - what is SO special about the 1000ZXL? It appears that the majority opinion > of this group that the 1000ZXL is Nak's best and most desired deck. Why? > > I am also a photography hobbyist and I wanted to ask if this is analogous to > the response photographers give when you ask them what is the BEST camera. > Although professionals use many cameras, the overall majority of professional > photographers will say the "Nikon F5." The F5, like the 1000ZXL has been > around for some time. It is extremely sturdy, and like the 1000ZXL it is all > manual. Is that the determining factor - the fact that it is all manual that > makes it so appealing to those in the "know?" Is the 1000ZXL, like the Nikon > F5, built like a "tank?" Do the tapes made using the 1000ZXL sound THAT much > better than those created on a ZX-9 or CR-7? Just curious as to why this > particular Nak (there are many excellent naks) seems to be so highly desired? > Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Mar 27 01:29:00 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:29:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good home needed for Nakamichi 700 II References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3ABF98AD.15A54114@concentric.net> <004801c0b63f$3d9454e0$65302ac4@coqui.net> <3ABFC8DF.B9FAC1C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004301c0b64c$89c431c0$aa496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Good home needed for Nakamichi 700 II. Nakamichi 700 II with wired remote control, original shipping carton and copy of Owners Manual. All yours for $450.00 + shipping and insurance. This unit is just about mint and has been fully Sanktified. Stephen said, when he returned this unit, that it was the closest he had seen to a new unit and I know that he would vouch for it. This 700 II has been used very sparingly since its return and has not recorded anything. I'm already losing money on this so please don't email me with offers. Thank you for your time. John M. Tooley, Delaware, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 27 03:00:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:00:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <71.bdecd80.27f0fc0f@aol.com> Message-ID: <05c201c0b659$4bbd0fc0$aa3442cf@sank1> I just got the 3014A on the bench today & will have the 3014 on the bench tomorrow, so I'll have that news tomorrow night. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Hi Stephen! > > What were the results of your A/B comparisons between the Tandberg 3014 and > 3014a? Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 27 03:06:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:06:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> <005e01c0b63f$dd1c7b00$65302ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <05cc01c0b65a$1cb35300$aa3442cf@sank1> I'd be happy to send one to you, Carlos. According to several of my clients & my own experience, the AES/EBU version sounds just as good as the single-ended, but not necessarily better. What length would you need? Bearing in mind, the shorter the better. The LAT digital is not far from as good, and wouldn't actually exist had I not told Lou some years ago that his IC-200 interconnect made a damn good digital cable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > Hey Stephen: > > I'm not posting any scientific comments here but I cretainly want to try > your DC against the Apogee and LAT. Can you make that AES/EBU ? > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > Ron, > > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your scientific > > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce > > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will > > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. > As > > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces jitter > > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, > you > > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > > transient response. > > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly > designed > > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't > sound > > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I > > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me why > > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife > or > > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance that > > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are heard! > > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! > Music > > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, > > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last parameter > > of it's reproduction. > > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your "scientific" > > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, I > > will Fedex you a cable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > > its performance can be improved. > > > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > > confident > > > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your perception, > > that > > > > you will hear a marked difference. > > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not > > hear a > > > > difference. Explain that! > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > > learned by > > > > now > > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter > > of a > > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > > different(and > > > > God, > > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think > > it > > > > was > > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of > > the > > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > > > delayed > > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. > > Some > > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone > to > > look > > > > for > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to > accept > > > > that > > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > > signal is > > > > a > > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio > frequency > > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as > uniform > > as > > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will > cause > > > > jitter, > > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital > > cable > > > > that > > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the > > spec'd > > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > > dictates > > > > that > > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to > create > > > > enough > > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in > fact > > the > > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that > it > > > > sounds > > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > > > dozens of > > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > > > precisely > > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & > > other > > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > > > possibly be > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory > impose > > > > itself > > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know > > what I > > > > mean > > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you > > until > > > > they > > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. > BUT, > > > > everyone > > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, > > not > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same > as > > the > > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare > cable > > with > > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > > > ridiculous > > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, > > you'll > > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is > a > > real > > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line > > and > > > > it's > > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > > working, > > > > don't > > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are > > taking > > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order > > to > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is > > bull > > > > shit > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for > a > > pair > > > > of > > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 27 05:52:25 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:52:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <002901c0b5ff$b2f962b0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3ABF98AD.15A54114@concentric.net> <004801c0b63f$3d9454e0$65302ac4@coqui.net> <3ABFC8DF.B9FAC1C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002d01c0b671$59f40d60$e8302ac4@coqui.net> Ha, ! no problem Ron. I enjoy your theories and scientific measures. I don't certainly agree with everything you say, but, I respect your points ! best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Gee, Carlos, do I detect a note of skepticism???? :-) > > Seriously, though... The difference we perceive between > two instruments is nothing more than the different > distribution of harmonics. A spectrum analyzer will show > this very easily, as will a sonograph. As a matter of > fact, you can even use a sonograph to compare voices > of people. Quite revealing. > > -- Ron > > Carlos wrote: > > > > I'll really love to see that !!!! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > If you can hear the difference, the spectrum analyser > > > will show it. What it can't tell you is which pianist > > > is better. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 27 05:58:28 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:58:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> <005e01c0b63f$dd1c7b00$65302ac4@coqui.net> <05cc01c0b65a$1cb35300$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003f01c0b672$30430740$e8302ac4@coqui.net> I know what you mean, but for professional applications the AES/EBU is the standard . 1 meter will be ok. I need a pair for my Weiss Digital Mastering Compressor. Let me know later how much that would be, as I know those AES connectors are more expensive and you can wait to ship it together with the 1000 ZXL. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > I'd be happy to send one to you, Carlos. According to several of my clients > & my own experience, the AES/EBU version sounds just as good as the > single-ended, but not necessarily better. What length would you need? > Bearing in mind, the shorter the better. The LAT digital is not far from as > good, and wouldn't actually exist had I not told Lou some years ago that his > IC-200 interconnect made a damn good digital cable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > Hey Stephen: > > > > I'm not posting any scientific comments here but I cretainly want to try > > your DC against the Apogee and LAT. Can you make that AES/EBU ? > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > Ron, > > > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your > scientific > > > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce > > > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will > > > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. > > As > > > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces > jitter > > > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > > > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, > > you > > > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > > > transient response. > > > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly > > designed > > > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't > > sound > > > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I > > > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me > why > > > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife > > or > > > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance > that > > > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > > > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are > heard! > > > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! > > Music > > > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, > > > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last > parameter > > > of it's reproduction. > > > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your > "scientific" > > > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, > I > > > will Fedex you a cable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > > > its performance can be improved. > > > > > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > > > confident > > > > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your > perception, > > > that > > > > > you will hear a marked difference. > > > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not > > > hear a > > > > > difference. Explain that! > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > > > learned by > > > > > now > > > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single > parameter > > > of a > > > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > > > different(and > > > > > God, > > > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I > think > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with > a > > > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay > of > > > the > > > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal > to > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. > > > Some > > > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone > > to > > > look > > > > > for > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to > > accept > > > > > that > > > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > > > signal is > > > > > a > > > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio > > frequency > > > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as > > uniform > > > as > > > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will > > cause > > > > > jitter, > > > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital > > > cable > > > > > that > > > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the > > > spec'd > > > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > > > dictates > > > > > that > > > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to > > create > > > > > enough > > > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in > > fact > > > the > > > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that > > it > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother > than > > > > > dozens of > > > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > > > > precisely > > > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & > > > other > > > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > > > > possibly be > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory > > impose > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know > > > what I > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you > > > until > > > > > they > > > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. > > BUT, > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable > situation, > > > not > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the > same > > as > > > the > > > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare > > cable > > > with > > > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > > > > ridiculous > > > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT > line, > > > you'll > > > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , > is > > a > > > real > > > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo > line > > > and > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > > > working, > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or > are > > > taking > > > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in > order > > > to > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous > and > > > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest > is > > > bull > > > > > shit > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 > for > > a > > > pair > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 27 05:35:39 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:05:39 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: <20010327033539.68FBA1DFDD1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From HerbChong at compuserve.com Tue Mar 27 05:39:47 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:39:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <200103262239_MC2-CA3E-E894@compuserve.com> > Ha, ! no problem Ron. I enjoy your theories and scientific measures. I don't certainly agree with everything you say, but, I respect your points ! best, Carlos J. Guzman-President< what many of the golden ear press seem to studiously ignore is that pure psychological effects are as large or larger than the actual effects in many many cases. whether you have had a good day or not has at least as much effect on how much you enjoy your system as whether you have expensive or wildly expensive cable. does silver Litz wire headshell leads make a difference over copper Litz? it's electrically measureable, barely, but is it audible or a figment of the imagination? only careful testing where you are measuring only the difference caused by the component and not a host of other factors that confuse the issue can you be sure. tightness of the leads might cause less resonance of the mechanical system. it is particularly galling to people who participate in double blind tests where they are convinced they are hearing a difference when in fact the switch is a dummy and does nothing and all along nothing is changed, just what they have been told. there were blind people who could tell the difference between colors by sense of touch. turns out that the lights heated the paint spots to slightly different temperatures. they were not distinguishing colors but temperatures. what should be a design engineer's axiom but isn't followed a lot sometimes is that until you can reliably measure a difference, you can't engineer the difference. if something sounds better and you can't prove why, you can't be sure the next time you design something that you'll be getting any better. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 27 05:41:08 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:11:08 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX service manual Message-ID: <20010327034108.8E36B1DFDBE@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 27 06:59:40 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:59:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <200103262239_MC2-CA3E-E894@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <000d01c0b67a$bbe3aea0$0c2f2ac4@coqui.net> Well, if you say so, then, no problem ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Chong" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Ha, ! no problem Ron. I enjoy your theories and scientific measures. I > don't > certainly agree with everything you say, but, I respect your points ! > best, > Carlos J. Guzman-President< > > what many of the golden ear press seem to studiously ignore is that pure > psychological > effects are as large or larger than the actual effects in many many cases. > whether you > have had a good day or not has at least as much effect on how much you > enjoy your > system as whether you have expensive or wildly expensive cable. does silver > Litz wire > headshell leads make a difference over copper Litz? it's electrically > measureable, barely, but is it > audible or a figment of the imagination? only careful testing where you are > measuring only the > difference caused by the component and not a host of other factors that > confuse the > issue can you be sure. tightness of the leads might cause less resonance of > the mechanical system. > > it is particularly galling to people who participate in double blind tests > where they are > convinced they are hearing a difference when in fact the switch is a dummy > and > does nothing and all along nothing is changed, just what they have been > told. > > there were blind people who could tell the difference between colors > by sense of touch. turns out that the lights heated the paint spots to > slightly different > temperatures. they were not distinguishing colors but temperatures. > > what should be a design engineer's axiom but isn't followed a lot sometimes > is that until > you can reliably measure a difference, you can't engineer the difference. > if something > sounds better and you can't prove why, you can't be sure the next time you > design > something that you'll be getting any better. > > Herb.... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If any of you are interested; http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223738700 I want a mint Dragon with excellent heads. It will show up.... Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 08:35:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:35:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2001 5:10:55 PM Central Standard Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Leica >> True, I forgot about Leica...Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 08:40:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:40:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK 1000ZXl for $2,000 Message-ID: <5a.13063b4d.27f18fe4@aol.com> In a message dated 3/26/2001 9:36:57 PM Central Standard Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << kannan >> Thanks Kannan! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 09:43:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:43:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] A laser turntable... Message-ID: <59.8b859d1.27f19e8e@aol.com> Here you! A laser turntable.... -Sam http://www.elpj.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 27 10:54:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:54:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 again... References: Message-ID: <065a01c0b69b$80bb0460$aa3442cf@sank1> I'll be answering this very question tomorrow night, after I've had both models on my bench simultaneously. First opportunity I have ever had to determine the difference. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 again... > Is anyone aware of the difference between 3014 and 3014A, if any ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 again... > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:20:20 EST > > Hi All, > > I have to come to realize that what I say, I will have. As soon as I > mentioned I wanted a CR-7a, they began appearing all over the place. When I > mentioned I wouldn't mind owning a Tandberg 3014, they also began appearing > all over the place. If any of you are interested; > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223738700 > > I want a mint Dragon with excellent heads. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 27 11:23:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:23:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> <005e01c0b63f$dd1c7b00$65302ac4@coqui.net> <05cc01c0b65a$1cb35300$aa3442cf@sank1> <003f01c0b672$30430740$e8302ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <06a201c0b69f$a7274d80$aa3442cf@sank1> I'll make you a pair of 1m AES cables as soon as I can squeeze in the time & get them right out to you. May or may not be in the ZXL box. I use gold-pin Neutrik XLR's, which I don't consider a truly adequate connector, but I have yet to find anything better, damnit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > I know what you mean, but for professional applications the AES/EBU is the > standard . 1 meter will be ok. I need a pair for my Weiss Digital Mastering > Compressor. Let me know later how much that would be, as I know those AES > connectors are more expensive and you can wait to ship it together with the > 1000 ZXL. > > Best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > I'd be happy to send one to you, Carlos. According to several of my > clients > > & my own experience, the AES/EBU version sounds just as good as the > > single-ended, but not necessarily better. What length would you need? > > Bearing in mind, the shorter the better. The LAT digital is not far from > as > > good, and wouldn't actually exist had I not told Lou some years ago that > his > > IC-200 interconnect made a damn good digital cable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carlos" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > Hey Stephen: > > > > > > I'm not posting any scientific comments here but I cretainly want to try > > > your DC against the Apogee and LAT. Can you make that AES/EBU ? > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your > > scientific > > > > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can > induce > > > > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing > will > > > > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a > doubt. > > > As > > > > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces > > jitter > > > > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > > > > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in > particular, > > > you > > > > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > > > > transient response. > > > > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly > > > designed > > > > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't > > > sound > > > > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, > I > > > > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me > > why > > > > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your > wife > > > or > > > > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance > > that > > > > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > > > > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are > > heard! > > > > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! > > > Music > > > > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, > sine, > > > > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last > > parameter > > > > of it's reproduction. > > > > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your > > "scientific" > > > > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping > address, > > I > > > > will Fedex you a cable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > > > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > > > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > > > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > > > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > > > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > > > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > > > > its performance can be improved. > > > > > > > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > > > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > > > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > > > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > > > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > > > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > > > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > > > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > > > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > > > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > > > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > > > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > > > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > > > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > > > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > > > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > > > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > > > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > > > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > > > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > > > > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > > > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have > a > > > > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against > the > > > > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > > > > confident > > > > > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your > > perception, > > > > that > > > > > > you will hear a marked difference. > > > > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables > to > > > > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would > not > > > > hear a > > > > > > difference. Explain that! > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > > > > learned by > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single > > parameter > > > > of a > > > > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > > > > different(and > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I > > think > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance > with > > a > > > > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time > delay > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback > signal > > to > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product > cancellation. > > > > Some > > > > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes > someone > > > to > > > > look > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to > > > accept > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > > > > signal is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio > > > frequency > > > > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as > > > uniform > > > > as > > > > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will > > > cause > > > > > > jitter, > > > > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The > digital > > > > cable > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near > the > > > > spec'd > > > > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > > > > dictates > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to > > > create > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is > in > > > fact > > > > the > > > > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you > that > > > it > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother > > than > > > > > > dozens of > > > > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a > very > > > > > > precisely > > > > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick > & > > > > other > > > > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this > could > > > > > > possibly be > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory > > > impose > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business > know > > > > what I > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as > you > > > > until > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. > > > BUT, > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable > > situation, > > > > not > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the > > same > > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare > > > cable > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all > those > > > > > > ridiculous > > > > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT > > line, > > > > you'll > > > > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , > > is > > > a > > > > real > > > > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo > > line > > > > and > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > > > > working, > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or > > are > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous > > and > > > > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest > > is > > > > bull > > > > > > shit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 > > for > > > a > > > > pair > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 12:22:54 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (salim marzuki) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:22:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 and top 10 Nak question. Message-ID: <20010327102254.8894.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Nakaholics, The only Nak model that I'm not quite sure regarding any significant difference is between RX 202/303, can anybody care to explain the benefits of 303 over 202 ? Seems like there's little or no difference and explains why we see mostly 202 on used market. Also ... maybe sometimes in the past Nakfellows already put a 'consensus' (ha ha) list of top 10 Naks to own and would be kind enough to re-post / re-type the list ? 1000 zxl, 700 zxl/e, zx9, cr7, dragon ... what next ? And where would you put 1000 II / 700 II on that list ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Mar 27 16:52:27 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:52:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> <005e01c0b63f$dd1c7b00$65302ac4@coqui.net> <05cc01c0b65a$1cb35300$aa3442cf@sank1> <003f01c0b672$30430740$e8302ac4@coqui.net> <06a201c0b69f$a7274d80$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002d01c0b6cd$8b46d580$b02f2ac4@coqui.net> Don't worry Stephen, those Neutriks are enough for me. Take your time. I'm not in a hurry. I'm just hurry to receive the 1000 ZXL !!!! Ha, Ha, ha !!!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > I'll make you a pair of 1m AES cables as soon as I can squeeze in the time & > get them right out to you. May or may not be in the ZXL box. I use > gold-pin Neutrik XLR's, which I don't consider a truly adequate connector, > but I have yet to find anything better, damnit. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > I know what you mean, but for professional applications the AES/EBU is the > > standard . 1 meter will be ok. I need a pair for my Weiss Digital > Mastering > > Compressor. Let me know later how much that would be, as I know those AES > > connectors are more expensive and you can wait to ship it together with > the > > 1000 ZXL. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > I'd be happy to send one to you, Carlos. According to several of my > > clients > > > & my own experience, the AES/EBU version sounds just as good as the > > > single-ended, but not necessarily better. What length would you need? > > > Bearing in mind, the shorter the better. The LAT digital is not far > from > > as > > > good, and wouldn't actually exist had I not told Lou some years ago that > > his > > > IC-200 interconnect made a damn good digital cable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carlos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen: > > > > > > > > I'm not posting any scientific comments here but I cretainly want to > try > > > > your DC against the Apogee and LAT. Can you make that AES/EBU ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your > > > scientific > > > > > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can > > induce > > > > > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing > > will > > > > > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a > > doubt. > > > > As > > > > > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces > > > jitter > > > > > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by > cable > > > > > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in > > particular, > > > > you > > > > > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, > affect > > > > > transient response. > > > > > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly > > > > designed > > > > > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it > doesn't > > > > sound > > > > > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for > kicks, > > I > > > > > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to > me > > > why > > > > > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your > > wife > > > > or > > > > > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some > assurance > > > that > > > > > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > > > > > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are > > > heard! > > > > > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! > > > > Music > > > > > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, > > sine, > > > > > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last > > > parameter > > > > > of it's reproduction. > > > > > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your > > > "scientific" > > > > > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping > > address, > > > I > > > > > will Fedex you a cable. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > > > > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > > > > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > > > > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > > > > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > > > > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > > > > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > > > > > its performance can be improved. > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > > > > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > > > > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > > > > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > > > > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > > > > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > > > > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > > > > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > > > > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > > > > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > > > > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > > > > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > > > > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > > > > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > > > > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > > > > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > > > > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > > > > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > > > > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > > > > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > > > > > > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > > > > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you > have > > a > > > > > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against > > the > > > > > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am > absolutely > > > > > confident > > > > > > > that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your > > > perception, > > > > > that > > > > > > > you will hear a marked difference. > > > > > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly > audible > > > > > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power > cables > > to > > > > > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would > > not > > > > > hear a > > > > > > > difference. Explain that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would > have > > > > > learned by > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single > > > parameter > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > > > > > different(and > > > > > > > God, > > > > > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I > > > think > > > > > it > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance > > with > > > a > > > > > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time > > delay > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback > > signal > > > to > > > > > > > delayed > > > > > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product > > cancellation. > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes > > someone > > > > to > > > > > look > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, > to > > > > accept > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format > digital > > > > > signal is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio > > > > frequency > > > > > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as > > > > uniform > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections > will > > > > cause > > > > > > > jitter, > > > > > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The > > digital > > > > > cable > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near > > the > > > > > spec'd > > > > > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. > Theory > > > > > dictates > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to > > > > create > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is > > in > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you > > that > > > > it > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & > smoother > > > than > > > > > > > dozens of > > > > > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a > > very > > > > > > > precisely > > > > > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, > Nick > > & > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this > > could > > > > > > > possibly be > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory > > > > impose > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business > > know > > > > > what I > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as > > you > > > > > until > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% > right. > > > > BUT, > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable > > > situation, > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the > > > same > > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the > Canare > > > > cable > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all > > those > > > > > > > ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT > > > line, > > > > > you'll > > > > > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all > , > > > is > > > > a > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo > > > line > > > > > and > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If > it's > > > > > working, > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International > or > > > are > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, > ridiculous > > > and > > > > > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The > rest > > > is > > > > > bull > > > > > > > shit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying > $15,000 > > > for > > > > a > > > > > pair > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Tue Mar 27 17:55:12 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:55:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cables In-Reply-To: <200103251930.VAA29089@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, To add my 2 cents to this discussion : imho, there is a fourth parameter that can play a role in a cable : the shielding, or the permeability for external signals . As a matter of fact, when we're talking cable, we usually talk about two leads . If indeed this parameter plays a role, it should make a difference if you leave the two leads together, or if you split them in two single wires, and guide them separately to the connected component . Anybody willing to do some tests ? Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Mar 27 18:44:21 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:44:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 again... Message-ID: <4d.961a4a5.27f21d65@aol.com> Yes, Different boards, and better polystyrene Capacitors in the 3014A, some other differences as well, but id have to look them Up. Ray ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 27 19:03:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:03:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 and top 10 Nak question. References: <20010327102254.8894.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <070701c0b6df$d6b014c0$aa3442cf@sank1> There's a really BIG difference between the RX202 & RX303. The RX202 is a Sankyo transport, and is really just a BX150 with reversing. The RX303 is a real Nak transport, in essence an inverted, auto-reverse LX-3. Same transport as the RX505, just 2-head w/Sendust R/P head instead of 3-head with Crystalloy heads. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "salim marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX 202 and top 10 Nak question. > > Hi Nakaholics, > > The only Nak model that I'm not quite sure regarding > any significant difference is between RX 202/303, can > anybody care to explain the benefits of 303 over 202 ? > Seems like there's little or no difference and > explains why we see mostly 202 on used market. > > Also ... maybe sometimes in the past Nakfellows > already put a 'consensus' (ha ha) list of top 10 Naks > to own and would be kind enough to re-post / re-type > the list ? > > 1000 zxl, 700 zxl/e, zx9, cr7, dragon ... what next ? > And where would you put 1000 II / 700 II on that list > ? > > Best Regards, > Salim SM > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Mar 27 20:05:36 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:05:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: >Well, Misha, cable insulation affects the sound by >affecting its capacitance. I repeat: cables have ONLY >three electrical properties: R, C and L. (I exclude >coax cables, where this is still true, but gets a bit >more complicated). Each of these properties can be >affected by a myriad of factors, but, still, it all >boils down to R, C and L. Hi Ron, Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 21:43:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:43:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi - here's a mint TX1000 turntable for sale Message-ID: <33.129d746e.27f2474b@aol.com> Hi! As I've mentioned before, I will have what I say. Here is a NAK turntable for sale if anyone's interested. I am working on my CR-7 first before looking at updating my turntable. Also, I would like the Nak Dragon...can anyone tell me why there are two tone arms? Do both work in conjunction with one another? Is one a "linear" and the other more traditional? Just curious - despite it's mass and weight (it's built like a "tank"), my Technics SL-1210 MK2 has been terrific. Looks and performs just like it did out of the box some 14 years ago... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223930312 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Mar 27 22:32:09 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:32:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001201c0b6fc$ff914c20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic > effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) You mean the Capacitance of a shielded microphonecable, I suppose. I think de microphone quality is much more important than the cable. Take a Schoeps or Neumann mic and you've got the highest quality. They are expensive and used in recording studios for classical instruments. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 27 22:55:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:55:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC0FE34.ECEF5E48@concentric.net> Stephen, I believe that this is the second time we are discussing this subject in this forum. The first time related to CD copying, where I stated that IMHO, effect of jitter is zero (not small, not tiny, not even infinitesimal, but an absolute, mathematical zero). This time, we are talking about jitter at the DAC input. At this point, it's an analog quantity that can cause, when present in ridiculously high quantities, FM modulation, increased quantization noise etc.. However, I (and many, many others) maintain that it can be reduced, easily and cheaply, to the point of complete inaudibility. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends on the DAC circuitry (local oscillator stability, PLL design, depth of buffering, etc.), rather then the transport or the connecting cable. But, you maintain that even 2 pSec jitter is audible. Note that at 44.1 KSamples/Sec, 2 pSec represents less than 0.09 ppm (that's parts per million) timing error. Transports will generally exhibit a few hundred picoSeconds jitter (at least two orders of magnitude higher) -- mostly in the oscillator and final drive circuitry. How can the comparatively tiny cable jitter make a difference is beyond me, yet I am quite aware that you are not alone in this belief. This has been an age old argument between Engineering types and dyed-in-the-wool audiophiles for a long time. What you perceive as 'well established fact' depends on who/what you read and who/what you agree with, not on 'Scientific knowledge'. I've had a similar public conversation with John Atkinson (Stereophile editor). He holds opinions similar to yours (though he graciously refrained from belittling those that do not). While offering highly technical explanations, he did concede that there were authorities that disagreed with his point of view (see Arny Krueger's web site for some interesting details). BTW, John cited oscillator instability due to power supply variations as jitter source inside a CD player. This is far higher than jitter induced by any reasonable cable. Another proponent of jitter ill effects is Meridian's CEO/Chief Engineering guru (forgot his name). He argues that, being an analog quantity, the lower the jitter, the proportionately better the sound. But then, Meridian charges hundreds of dollars for their super duper jitter reduction circuitry. They can hardly be expected to admit that this colossal overkill is pointless. (By the same token, there are manufacturers that tout their THD of 0.001% as opposed to someone else's 0.01% -- in fact, the difference is totally inaudible.) As to your cable, I'd love to audition it. In spite of your suggestion that I must be biased, let me assure you that this is not the case. If your cable does sound better that a quality 75 ohm coax, I would love to hear this for myself and then find out why. Since I doubt you will be willing to wait for it indefinitely, let me email you when I am ready for it (it's going to be time consuming -- my system is built in and access to connections is difficult at best). I am currently in the throes of other listening tests (that I plan to eventually post here, since they relate to CR-7a upgrades). Regards, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your scientific > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. As > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces jitter > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, you > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > transient response. > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly designed > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't sound > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me why > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife or > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance that > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are heard! > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! Music > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last parameter > of it's reproduction. > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your "scientific" > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, I > will Fedex you a cable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > Stephen, > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > its performance can be improved. > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > > > confident that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your > > > perception, that you will hear a marked difference. > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not > > > hear a difference. Explain that! > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > learned by > > > now > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter > of a > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > different(and > > > God, > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think > it > > > was > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of > the > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > > delayed > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. > Some > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to > look > > > for > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to accept > > > that > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > signal is > > > a > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform > as > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > > > jitter, > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital > cable > > > that > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the > spec'd > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > dictates > > > that > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > > > enough > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact > the > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > > > sounds > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > > dozens of > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > > precisely > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & > other > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > > possibly be > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > > itself > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know > what I > > > mean > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you > until > > > they > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > > everyone > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, > not > > > > > everyone > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as > the > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable > with > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > > ridiculous > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, > you'll > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a > real > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line > and > > > it's > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > working, > > > don't > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are > taking > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order > to > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is > bull > > > shit > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a > pair > > > of > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 27 23:10:28 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:10:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A laser turntable... References: <59.8b859d1.27f19e8e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC101C3.A7C1E08F@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Here you! A laser turntable.... > > -Sam > > http://www.elpj.com/ > IIRC, there actually was a laser turntable, that used light reflected off the groove walls to play LPs. Cost was in the $20,000 class -- too rich for my blood. Never heard (or even saw) one, but the (not surprisingly, glowing) review was very interesting. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 23:26:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:26:17 EST Subject: [naktalk] A laser turntable... Message-ID: <89.44b81e0.27f25f79@aol.com> An interesting approach to LP's. Unfortunately, I have not been exposed to such a turntable and have never heard one for myself. Does the laser read the usual wear of an LP similar to a cartridge and tone arm? Are the usual "snap, crackle and pop" eliminated by using a laser system? Just curious? If the answers are "yes," and the price is "right" this could revive the LP market. Will record companies return to pressing LP's given the huge margins associated with compac disc? Not to mention the margins associated with digital distribution chains? (e.g. napster) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From george.m.hook at accenture.com Wed Mar 28 00:04:53 2001 From: george.m.hook at accenture.com (george.m.hook at accenture.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:04:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A laser turntable... Message-ID: The Laser Turntable is still out there. Go to www.elpj.com. Whether it's worth the money, and whether it works as well as the belt drive/needle/cartridge of our experiences is another matter ... This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 00:39:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:39:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3AC11693.A03C63F2@concentric.net> Michael Mironov wrote: > > >Well, Misha, cable insulation affects the sound by > >affecting its capacitance. I repeat: cables have ONLY > >three electrical properties: R, C and L. (I exclude > >coax cables, where this is still true, but gets a bit > >more complicated). Each of these properties can be > >affected by a myriad of factors, but, still, it all > >boils down to R, C and L. > > Hi Ron, > > Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic > effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) > > Misha Microphonics, by itself, is not an electrical property, though it does affect (actually, modulate) electrical properties of the cable. Good cables do not exhibit microphonics to any measurable (let alone, audible) amounts (If you can hear cable microphonics, throw it away and get some decent cable). Yes, I am aware of fairly expensive tweaks that acoustically dampen cables to reduce microphonics. Maybe anyone that bought some of those would also like to invest (heavily, I hope) in a good looking, freshly painted bridge? :-) -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 00:44:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:44:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3ABCD34C.37C60BB2@concentric.net> <001201c0b6fc$ff914c20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3AC117E8.93942BEC@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic > > effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) > > You mean the Capacitance of a shielded microphonecable, I suppose. > I think de microphone quality is much more important than the cable. > Take a Schoeps or Neumann mic and you've got the highest quality. > They are expensive and used in recording studios for classical > instruments. > > Maurits Maurits, I thought he meant, the cable picking up acoustic vibrations. Same effect as a microphonic tube. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Mar 28 00:43:07 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:43:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak cd player References: <018001c0a8f4$51be81a0$493442cf@sank1> <005701c0ae71$1e9829c0$598fe2c3@a9u3z8> <009001c0ae7e$b949aea0$663442cf@sank1> <00a101c0af41$fced0260$048ee2c3@a9u3z8> <022801c0af58$d8210780$663442cf@sank1> <001f01c0b001$6b24bec0$738fe2c3@a9u3z8> <3ABE296C.9A5CBD6B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <008b01c0b70f$4b86ece0$1e8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Ron, if I connected via optical, I'd leave it connected. Fortunately my two Pioneer digital recorders have both digital and coax inputs and outputs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak cd player > Sinclair Forrest wrote: > > > > Thanks for that, Stephen. Interestingly, there is a Pioneer CLD 925 > > laserdisc player for sale over here - about £50. I thought about it, but > > baulked at the optical only output. > > I realize that one of the audiophile mantras is denigrating > optical interconnects --supposedly, because of their higher > jitter. Please rest assured that this is as false as many > other mystical beliefs. With any quality equipment, coax and > fiber interconnects are absolutely, mathematically, > identical. > > There are differences, though. Fiber cable is fragile and > more easily damaged. Quality of TosLink connectors is poor > by design (these are immaterial, unless you plan to > connect/disconnect often). Fiber provides DC isolation > (important only if you have ground loop problems). Finally, > coax is cheaper. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 28 02:57:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:57:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Playing old tapes Message-ID: <024801c0b722$1e9dc100$1e021fac@brianm> I found some old cassettes of mine from '86 - '87 era. These were used in my car, I cannot gaurantee how clean the deck(s) were these were played on. Playing these on my nice clean Nak, can they transfer much dirty content? (Being to anal?) Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 03:08:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:08:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) References: <20010312035501.0E7E71DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> <013e01c0aab0$9dc9fbc0$313442cf@sank1> <3AACEE80.4CD45CE0@concentric.net> <01b401c0ab12$8028ea60$313442cf@sank1> <3AAF9463.254C2172@concentric.net> <01dd01c0aca5$1d4de780$263442cf@sank1> <3AAFB1AC.21C05F6C@concentric.net> <026301c0ace8$abe9f2c0$263442cf@sank1> <3AB022D6.C7B8839F@concentric.net> <02ce01c0ad1f$da219800$263442cf@sank1> <002901c0adae$e36d9be0$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <3AB22B91.F726D3B1@concentric.net> <000101c0ae9e$1b243f40$c6312ac4@coqui.net> <00ea01c0aea3$fed2bd20$663442cf@sank1> <3ABE0B32.A0D3A86F@concentric.net> <044701c0b560$8ccce520$aa3442cf@sank1> <3ABE7130.C28099E1@concentric.net> <049801c0b58c$4d3d8460$aa3442cf@sank1> <3AC0FE34.ECEF5E48@concentric.net> Message-ID: <079f01c0b723$a48cc080$aa3442cf@sank1> Ron, I meant no disrespect. And I do respect you for being willing to take me up on the challenge. I, myself, fully expected the BiDAT's 2psec jitter spec to eliminate cable & transport jitter artifacts, seriously. Nevertheless, while I have found the BiDAT to be more immune to cable & transport differences than any other DAC I've heard, effects remain. The really odd part of this is that the majority of effects are in the "size" of the soundstage, and I'm talking dramatic differences, which I think is pretty hard to explain. Just let me know when you're ready & what length is best for you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment(cable challenge) > > Stephen, I believe that this is the second time we are > discussing this subject in this forum. The first time > related to CD copying, where I stated that IMHO, > effect of jitter is zero (not small, not tiny, not even > infinitesimal, but an absolute, mathematical zero). > > This time, we are talking about jitter at the DAC > input. At this point, it's an analog quantity that > can cause, when present in ridiculously high quantities, > FM modulation, increased quantization noise etc.. > However, I (and many, many others) maintain that it can > be reduced, easily and cheaply, to the point of complete > inaudibility. In essence, jitter at the DAC input > depends on the DAC circuitry (local oscillator stability, > PLL design, depth of buffering, etc.), rather then the > transport or the connecting cable. > > But, you maintain that even 2 pSec jitter is audible. > Note that at 44.1 KSamples/Sec, 2 pSec represents > less than 0.09 ppm (that's parts per million) timing > error. Transports will generally exhibit a few hundred > picoSeconds jitter (at least two orders of magnitude > higher) -- mostly in the oscillator and final drive > circuitry. How can the comparatively tiny cable jitter > make a difference is beyond me, yet I am quite aware > that you are not alone in this belief. This has been > an age old argument between Engineering types and > dyed-in-the-wool audiophiles for a long time. > > What you perceive as 'well established fact' depends > on who/what you read and who/what you agree with, not > on 'Scientific knowledge'. I've had a similar public > conversation with John Atkinson (Stereophile editor). > He holds opinions similar to yours (though he > graciously refrained from belittling those that do > not). While offering highly technical explanations, > he did concede that there were authorities that > disagreed with his point of view (see Arny Krueger's > web site for some interesting details). BTW, John > cited oscillator instability due to power supply > variations as jitter source inside a CD player. This > is far higher than jitter induced by any reasonable > cable. > > Another proponent of jitter ill effects is Meridian's > CEO/Chief Engineering guru (forgot his name). He argues > that, being an analog quantity, the lower the jitter, > the proportionately better the sound. But then, Meridian > charges hundreds of dollars for their super duper > jitter reduction circuitry. They can hardly be expected > to admit that this colossal overkill is pointless. (By > the same token, there are manufacturers that tout their > THD of 0.001% as opposed to someone else's 0.01% -- in > fact, the difference is totally inaudible.) > > As to your cable, I'd love to audition it. In spite of > your suggestion that I must be biased, let me assure > you that this is not the case. If your cable does sound > better that a quality 75 ohm coax, I would love to hear > this for myself and then find out why. Since I doubt > you will be willing to wait for it indefinitely, let me > email you when I am ready for it (it's going to be time > consuming -- my system is built in and access to > connections is difficult at best). I am currently in > the throes of other listening tests (that I plan to > eventually post here, since they relate to CR-7a > upgrades). > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Ron, > > I must say that you are now impressing me less & less with your scientific > > knowledge. It is a well established fact that digital cables can induce > > enough jitter to affect the DAC output. Simple square wave testing will > > confirm this. Impulse testing will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. As > > I believe I have said before, even my Museatex BiDAT, which reduces jitter > > of the input signal down to 2 picoseconds, peak, is affected by cable > > differences. If you know anything about bitstream DAC's in particular, you > > will know that a tiny amount of jitter can, at the very least, affect > > transient response. > > So, once again, I CHALLENGE you to compare my completely improperly designed > > digital cable with any you choose & then explain to me why it doesn't sound > > bad, let alone why it sounds outrageously good. Then, just for kicks, I > > would like you to reverse the direction of my cable, and explain to me why > > this causes a change in the sound, which it will. Please have your wife or > > other disinterested party present, so that we can have some assurance that > > you're being honest with yourself & with us. > > NOTE: I do not assert that differences that are not measurable are heard! > > Just that measurement techniques as yet used have not revealed them! Music > > is a very, very, very different animal than repetitive waveforms, sine, > > square or whatever, and science has not yet uncovered every last parameter > > of it's reproduction. > > So, PLEASE, either accept my challenge, or stop posting your "scientific" > > opinions on the subject. As soon as you email me your shipping address, I > > will Fedex you a cable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > You, of all people, know very well that the signal in > > > a digital cable is not audio, but a digital stream. The > > > cable doesn't care whether the bits represent a picture, > > > your bank account data, a computer program or audio. If > > > bits reaching the receiver buffer are identical, one by > > > one, to the bits that left the transmitter buffer, than > > > the cable had done 100.000% of it's job. There is no way > > > its performance can be improved. > > > > > > I realize that jitter is brought up as cause for sound > > > variation from different cables. That doesn't wash, > > > either. First, jitter caused by cables is infinitesimal > > > (let's ignore the optical vs. copper argument for now). > > > Second, any piece of reasonable equipment deals very > > > effectively with jitter, because it's very cheap and > > > easy to do. In essence, jitter at the DAC input depends > > > on characteristics of the receiving equipment, rather > > > than the cable or sending equipment. > > > > > > The whole idea of auditioning digital cables seems to > > > me preposterous. Since the signal stream is digital, > > > then one should test the digital performance; meaning, > > > use a digital analyzer to determine whether a cable > > > affects the signal (IOW, introduces errors). Would you > > > evaluate spark plugs on a car by test driving it? > > > > > > I don't know how to explain the perceived difference. > > > Neither can I explain why people that paid $600 for a > > > line cord hear vast improvement in the sound of their > > > system (not just an improvement, mind you, but VAST > > > improvement). Or why a single tiny Room-Tune is claimed > > > to damp a room dramatically, no less. Or why clamping > > > a SS amp in a vise can somehow change its sound character. > > > > > > It all goes back to my conviction that if a difference > > > can be heard, than that difference *must* be measurable. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > I would be happy to lend you one of my digital cables, if you have a > > > > transport & D/A converter, so that you can listen to it against the > > > > "properly designed" digital cable of your choice. I am absolutely > > > > confident that, if you don't allow your own prejudices to cloud your > > > > perception, that you will hear a marked difference. > > > > I'll EMPHATICALLY reiterate: I have demonstrated clearly audible > > > > differences between speaker, interconnect, digital & power cables to > > > > HUNDREDS of clients, many of whom were CONVINCED that they would not > > > > hear a difference. Explain that! > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought that my fellow engineers here would have > > learned by > > > > now > > > > > > that it is arrogant to assume that you know every single parameter > > of a > > > > > > given phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ... Is it also arrogance to claim that, > > > > > mathematically, 2+2 must always be 4? A cable is nothing > > > > > more than a very simple network and yes, Engineers do > > > > > know every single parameter. > > > > > > > > > > > People used to wonder why different power amps, with > > > > > > identical THD, IMD, slew rate, S/N, etc. sounded markedly > > different(and > > > > God, > > > > > > I hope you can at least acknowledge that!), until someone, I think > > it > > > > was > > > > > > Threshold, came up with the idea of testing amp performance with a > > > > > > non-repetitive waveform, which revealed how the tiny time delay of > > the > > > > > > signal from input to output caused the negative feedback signal to > > > > delayed > > > > > > enough to disturb the effect of distortion product cancellation. > > Some > > > > > > parameters are simply overlooked until an anomaly causes someone to > > look > > > > for > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, parameters could be overlooked (mostly, by > > > > > manufacturers that know which side of their bread is > > > > > buttered). OTOH, most Engineers do not 'overlook' > > > > > parameters. There is no question in my mind that amps > > > > > that have the same spec sound alike. However, those > > > > > specs have to be correct and complete -- something > > > > > that amp manufacturers do not make available. > > > > > > > > > > > Case in point: I'm going to ask you guys, for the moment, to ac cept > > > > that > > > > > > different digital cables sound different. A CD format digital > > signal is > > > > a > > > > > > 4.3218mHz modulated square wave, which is firmly in radio frequency > > > > > > territory. This makes it theoretically necessary to have as uniform > > as > > > > > > possible cable & termination impedance, since reflections will cause > > > > jitter, > > > > > > which, if excessive, will affect the sound quality. The digital > > cable > > > > that > > > > > > I make is totally not a uniform impedance, not anywhere near the > > spec'd > > > > > > 75ohm impedance, and is neither coaxial nor shielded. Theory > > dictates > > > > that > > > > > > it should sound like crap and possibly pick up enough RFI to create > > > > enough > > > > > > errors to glitch the output signal. Exactly the opposite is in fact > > the > > > > > > case. I & about 200 or so buyers of my cable will tell you that it > > > > sounds > > > > > > more natural, more spacious, more tonally balanced & smoother than > > > > dozens of > > > > > > other cables, including ones like the Illuminati, having a very > > > > precisely > > > > > > controlled geometry & uniform 75ohm impedance. So, Ron, Nick & > > other > > > > > > engineers & scientists of Naktalk, please tell me how this could > > > > possibly be > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > I guess we'll have to disagree on this one as well. There > > > > > are ONLY two kinds of digital cables: those that work > > > > > correctly and those that are bad and should be replaced > > > > > with the first kind. That's binary: a digital cable is > > > > > either good or bad. There are no other kinds. Digital > > > > > cables do NOT have what audiophiles like to call 'Sonic > > > > > signature'. > > > > > > > > > > What most people miss is the FACT that digital cables > > > > > DO NOT transfer audio, but, rather, digital information. > > > > > Cables that work correctly transfer all the digital data > > > > > correctly. They cannot get any better than that. Once > > > > > you get to zero error rate, that's it -- any further > > > > > 'improvement' of the cable will produce zero results. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > The issues of cables, bi-wiring, mounting cones, room > > > > > tunes and similar tweaks are specific examples of the > > > > > belief of some audiophiles in some audio mystical > > > > > characteristics that are perceivable by human ears > > > > > but somehow are not linked to a measurable physical > > > > > manifestation. Unfortunately, our ears are a very poor > > > > > measuring instrument -- inaccurate, insensitive and > > > > > hampered by the attendant processing through the brain. > > > > > Yet, some audiophiles maintain that they can hear what > > > > > cannot be measured by electronic instruments. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Carlos" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an engineer too, I'm telling you that not always theory impose > > > > itself > > > > > > > under real life situations and all of us in this business know > > what I > > > > mean > > > > > > > here. I have seen many guys that use to think the same as you > > until > > > > they > > > > > > > realize by themselves that perhaps they were not 100% right. BUT, > > > > everyone > > > > > > > knows that in a very subjective matter, as the cable situation, > > not > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > is gonna agree, so, I wouldn't loose time with this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that many "high end" wires are almost the same as > > the > > > > > > > commercial lines available for pro-audio. I love the Canare cable > > with > > > > > > > Neutrik connectors, specially their AES/EBU digital cable. > > > > > > > BUT, if you compare the high end lines of wire with all those > > > > ridiculous > > > > > > > priced MIT, Purist Audio, Transparent etc against the LAT line, > > you'll > > > > > > > discover by yourself that $139.00 per pair meter after all , is a > > real > > > > > > > bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end, if you want to still use your home made cheapo line > > and > > > > it's > > > > > > > working for you, then, there's nothing left to say. If it's > > working, > > > > don't > > > > > > > fix it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm in no way connected to LAT International or are > > taking > > > > > > > profits from them. UNFORTUNATELY. Ha, HA, HA ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, bottom line: I agree that high-end esoteric > > > > > > > > cable out there "is bullshit and "black magic" > > > > > > > > nonsense". I disagree that LAT is above others. > > > > > > > > The major component in their cables ($130 per 1m > > > > > > > > interconnect pair? Gimme a break) is Profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ! You don't know how much emphasis I'm gonna do in order > > to > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > you LAT cables and stay away from any absurd, ridiculous and > > > > > > > un-practical > > > > > > > > > wire out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAT is the only down to earth and sincere wire. The rest is > > bull > > > > shit > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > "black magic" non sense. Can you imagine paying $15,000 for a > > pair > > > > of > > > > > > > > > speaker wire of 15' ? Ask Stephen; he has tried all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 03:53:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:53:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis Message-ID: <07d501c0b729$ef099a60$aa3442cf@sank1> Well, I've taken a detailed look under the hood of both models. There really isn't much difference. The only transport difference is slightly different reel motors. Electrically, the only difference is the addition of small, cheap, metallised polypropylene high-frequency bypass capacitors on the power supply lines at each stage of the audio circuits. Otherwise, pretty darned identical. So, it'd be pretty darned easy to turn a 3014 into a 3014A. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 03:57:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:57:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi - here's a mint TX1000 turntable for sale References: <33.129d746e.27f2474b@aol.com> Message-ID: <07db01c0b72a$8367c7e0$aa3442cf@sank1> Two tonearms just allows you to pick the "flavor" you feel like listening to. Even with identical cartridges mounted, you have two different types of sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] All things Nakamichi - here's a mint TX1000 turntable for sale > Hi! > > As I've mentioned before, I will have what I say. Here is a NAK turntable > for sale if anyone's interested. I am working on my CR-7 first before > looking at updating my turntable. Also, I would like the Nak Dragon...can > anyone tell me why there are two tone arms? Do both work in conjunction with > one another? Is one a "linear" and the other more traditional? Just curious > - despite it's mass and weight (it's built like a "tank"), my Technics > SL-1210 MK2 has been terrific. Looks and performs just like it did out of > the box some 14 years ago... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1223930312 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 03:59:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:59:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Playing old tapes References: <024801c0b722$1e9dc100$1e021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3AC14599.CD29C4D@concentric.net> I have lots of cassettes from that era (recorded on a 700, then 582), that were played interchangeably at home and in the car. I never cleaned the car deck as frequently as I should have (still don't) yet cannot recall excessive dirt or any other ill effect. OTOH, I clean the Nak heads often -- maybe this eliminates any additional dirt. I do demagnetize the cars decks on a regular basis. -- Ron > Brian Miller wrote: > > I found some old cassettes of mine from '86 - '87 era. > These were used in my car, I cannot gaurantee how clean > the deck(s) were these were played on. Playing these on > my nice clean Nak, can they transfer much dirty content? > (Being to anal?) > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten > Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but > have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 05:37:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:37:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <39.129d1190.27f2b682@aol.com> Just to throw in my 2 cents, I have noticed a difference with a cable many of you don't like - Monster cables. Although there are better interconnects available, even Monster Cables create an audible difference with quality components. Don't get me wrong, I've thoroughly enjoyed the discussion on NakTalkers and am learning a great deal. However, having enjoyed Star Trek as a youngster I will quote Mr. Spoke regarding this subject... "If a hammer falls on a planet with a positive gravity, I need not hear it fall to know that it fell to the ground." Keep it coming! -Sam The I want a CR-7 man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 05:39:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:39:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis Message-ID: <74.8f48928.27f2b6e3@aol.com> Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, would you own one? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 06:16:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:16:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis References: <74.8f48928.27f2b6e3@aol.com> Message-ID: <083b01c0b73d$e7da37e0$aa3442cf@sank1> If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose the LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head Nak(except for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for the 3014 & many other Tandberg products. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, would > you own one? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Mar 28 06:59:11 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:59:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? In-Reply-To: <083b01c0b73d$e7da37e0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Steven - let me ask the question differently. You are presented with two brand new, never used, just manufactured tape decks. Deck 1 is Tandberg 3014A. Deck 2 is is Nakamichi 580M. Would you still choose Nakamichi 580M. My choice would be Tandberg 3014 over any Nakamichi short of 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/E, ZX-9, CR7,(perhaps ZX-7), CR7, Dragon, and perhaps something from 68x series, and Revox 215. I wonder what others think. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tue, March 27, 2001 10:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose the LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head Nak(except for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for the 3014 & many other Tandberg products. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, would > you own one? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 28 08:38:49 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:38:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? References: Message-ID: <003e01c0b751$bf8d0ce0$432f2ac4@coqui.net> Don't know why I'm so happy with my 3014 A that I'll choose her over many Nak models including 3 head designs. For recording specifically as well as the Revox B-215... Then , for playback ... always keep a Dragon in my closet for that purpose ... ! Let's see when my 1000 ZXL arrives from New Mexico and I'll take my time doing a controlled and fair shoot out between her, the B-215 and the 3014 A. I'll surely let you all know ... Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > Steven - let me ask the question differently. > > You are presented with two brand new, never used, just manufactured tape > decks. Deck 1 is Tandberg 3014A. Deck 2 is is Nakamichi 580M. Would you > still choose Nakamichi 580M. > > My choice would be Tandberg 3014 over any Nakamichi short of 1000ZXL, > 700ZXL/E, ZX-9, CR7,(perhaps ZX-7), CR7, Dragon, and perhaps something from > 68x series, and Revox 215. I wonder what others think. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tue, March 27, 2001 10:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose the > LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head Nak(except > for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for the > 3014 & many other Tandberg products. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, > would > > you own one? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 07:54:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:54:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? References: Message-ID: <088401c0b74b$80898420$aa3442cf@sank1> Yes, I'd still choose the 580M, due to it's crystalloy R/P head(all later 2-heads had Sendust R/P heads), excellent electronics & a transport that will never die with proper up-keep. Plus, it's so damned ugly that all you can do is love it. Like a Sharpei dog. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > Steven - let me ask the question differently. > > You are presented with two brand new, never used, just manufactured tape > decks. Deck 1 is Tandberg 3014A. Deck 2 is is Nakamichi 580M. Would you > still choose Nakamichi 580M. > > My choice would be Tandberg 3014 over any Nakamichi short of 1000ZXL, > 700ZXL/E, ZX-9, CR7,(perhaps ZX-7), CR7, Dragon, and perhaps something from > 68x series, and Revox 215. I wonder what others think. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tue, March 27, 2001 10:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose the > LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head Nak(except > for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for the > 3014 & many other Tandberg products. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, > would > > you own one? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 08:58:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:58:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis Message-ID: <77.12321bf0.27f2e584@aol.com> You'd choose a LX-5 over a Tandberg 3014? Why? Isn't the 3014 their best deck and considered one of the very best ever? Just curious... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > You'd choose a LX-5 over a Tandberg 3014? Why? Isn't the 3014 their best > deck and considered one of the very best ever? Just curious... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 10:13:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:13:25 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis Message-ID: I haven't been able to reach the guy, will have to give it a go tomorrow. It would be nice to have a 3014a. Cya! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 11:12:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:12:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] The 1000ZXL has returned... Message-ID: If anyone is interested... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1224995526 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Mar 28 16:42:59 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:42:59 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <001201c0b6fc$ff914c20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: >> Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic >> effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) > > >You mean the Capacitance of a shielded microphonecable, I suppose. >I think de microphone quality is much more important than the cable. No! I 'm talking about single wire! I made many experimentes with differnt cables (brand and home-made). So I found that tephlone insulation one of the worst - great microphonic effect! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Mar 28 16:46:49 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3AC11693.A03C63F2@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, >Microphonics, by itself, is not an electrical property, >though it does affect (actually, modulate) electrical >properties of the cable. Good cables do not exhibit OK, but it's affect the sound - so here we have something different, not only measurable R, C and L ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Mar 28 16:06:29 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:06:29 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426003@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Ron, reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I do concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, coming up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. At times me myself can hardly resist the temptation of engaging into such disputes as well, but... just one thought of fighting the windmills calms me down instantly. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:39 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Michael Mironov wrote: > > > > >Well, Misha, cable insulation affects the sound by > > >affecting its capacitance. I repeat: cables have ONLY > > >three electrical properties: R, C and L. (I exclude > > >coax cables, where this is still true, but gets a bit > > >more complicated). Each of these properties can be > > >affected by a myriad of factors, but, still, it all > > >boils down to R, C and L. > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Not only "Golden ears" but even me can hear different microphonic > > effect caused by different insulation. What's this - R, L or C? ;-) > > > > Misha > > Microphonics, by itself, is not an electrical property, > though it does affect (actually, modulate) electrical > properties of the cable. Good cables do not exhibit > microphonics to any measurable (let alone, audible) > amounts (If you can hear cable microphonics, throw it > away and get some decent cable). > > Yes, I am aware of fairly expensive tweaks that > acoustically dampen cables to reduce microphonics. > Maybe anyone that bought some of those would also > like to invest (heavily, I hope) in a good looking, > freshly painted bridge? :-) > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Mar 28 17:45:13 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:45:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426003@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, >reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I do >concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe >that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, coming >up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible >explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of >their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that >there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. The point is that both of us, Ron and me, knows what we are talking about :) I'm not a "believer" and not "stricken with audiophilia-disease" of any kind but I have some expirience dealing with such a matters - and I exactly know the differences I'm talking about. So if I can hear the difference - it's there! The other side of the medal is that in common practice most of the people taking in to consideration only few factors, saying "there is only 2+2 = 4" and nothing else matters. No way! Univerce is endless and there is many more things that we simply don't know yet or not ready to understand. And back to cables - there is not only electric parameters but also many different sciences concerned - crystallography, as a simple example. When some one talking about "crystal oriented" wire - it's not a BS, but another thing many of us not even think about. And of course - purity of the wire - number of 9 after the comma is realy important! When you will think how admixtures between molecules works - than you will understand that it creates semiconductors, that definetely affects the sound. So, I have different point of view on such a things - if you not learned in school about it - it dosn't mean it's not exist! We all have to learn untill the end. But we already too far from Nak - topick ;-) Misha PS: Sorry for my "broken scientific English" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Mar 28 16:57:21 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:57:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment - let's kill the thread ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AMEN ... Let's kill the 'A CR-7 Comment' aka 'Cable Discussion' thread. I think enough has been said, and most of the parties have presented their points of view. Now, getting back to the vivid discussion about state of the art AKAI tape decks, Carlos, are you going to include one of their models in your comparo of 1000ZXL, Tandberg, and Revox (just kidding about AKAI ... - although I am very keen on hearing how this comparo goes ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: Wed, March 28, 2001 9:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Hi Nick, >reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I do >concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe >that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, coming >up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible >explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of >their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that >there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. The point is that both of us, Ron and me, knows what we are talking about :) I'm not a "believer" and not "stricken with audiophilia-disease" of any kind but I have some expirience dealing with such a matters - and I exactly know the differences I'm talking about. So if I can hear the difference - it's there! The other side of the medal is that in common practice most of the people taking in to consideration only few factors, saying "there is only 2+2 = 4" and nothing else matters. No way! Univerce is endless and there is many more things that we simply don't know yet or not ready to understand. And back to cables - there is not only electric parameters but also many different sciences concerned - crystallography, as a simple example. When some one talking about "crystal oriented" wire - it's not a BS, but another thing many of us not even think about. And of course - purity of the wire - number of 9 after the comma is realy important! When you will think how admixtures between molecules works - than you will understand that it creates semiconductors, that definetely affects the sound. So, I have different point of view on such a things - if you not learned in school about it - it dosn't mean it's not exist! We all have to learn untill the end. But we already too far from Nak - topick ;-) Misha PS: Sorry for my "broken scientific English" ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Mar 28 17:24:46 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:24:46 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426004@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, herewith I would like to once again ask the collective wisdom of our group in regard to a problem I've completely racked my brains over and out - nothing helped. Brief prehistory: I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. For an obvious reason, I never paid very much attention to this particular deck (2 heads, single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my rack. Upon getting this absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I won at German E-bay with the help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt, I decided to check each of my Naks anew. I started with the simpliest one, BX-2, and to my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL pos. being significantly greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they are almost absolutely flat and identical for any position. Here we come to another issue, that hinders me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during recording a 400Hz on a blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. eq. amp. and encountered a pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, naturally): There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal circuit) there. When measuring the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 respectively), I found the one at leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the voltages at it's inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 respectively) were all the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and measured again. The voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, significantly lower, but this time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't it strange? It becomes even more strange, when we consider the fact, that the deck records absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics with a Type IV tape. Anybody? Greetings from Moscow to everybody. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Mar 28 17:57:02 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:57:02 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Firstly, we probably have to ask Ron, whether what he was talking about was exactly what you were thinking you knew you were talking about. Secondly, Ron's statements are always constructive and well-grounded, whereas those coming from adherents of the "right" sound are always vague and very often referring to seemingly astral matters and allegedly unexplored areas in science. Thirdly, have you ever seen a lunatic being able to acknowledge his insanity? Fourthly, you reply is nothing, but striving for further debates. Let's stop it. It's simply useless. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > Hi Nick, > > > >reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I > do > >concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I > believe > >that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, > coming > >up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible > >explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of > >their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that > >there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. > > The point is that both of us, Ron and me, knows what we are talking about > :) > I'm not a "believer" and not "stricken with audiophilia-disease" of any > kind > but I have some expirience dealing with such a matters - and I exactly > know the differences I'm talking about. So if I can hear the difference - > it's there! The other side of the medal is that in common practice > most of the people taking in to consideration only few factors, saying > "there is only 2+2 = 4" and nothing else matters. No way! Univerce is > endless and there is many more things that we simply don't know yet > or not ready to understand. And back to cables - there is not only > electric > parameters but also many different sciences concerned - crystallography, > as a simple example. When some one talking about "crystal oriented" > wire - it's not a BS, but another thing many of us not even think about. > And of course - purity of the wire - number of 9 after the comma is realy > important! When you will think how admixtures between molecules > works - than you will understand that it creates semiconductors, that > definetely > affects the sound. > So, I have different point of view on such a things - if you not learned > in school > about it - it dosn't mean it's not exist! We all have to learn untill the > end. > But we already too far from Nak - topick ;-) > > Misha > > PS: Sorry for my "broken scientific English" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 28 18:41:16 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:41:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis References: <07d501c0b729$ef099a60$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC2142A.58FB904D@pacbell.net> wow, my 3014a is making naktalk history having been the deck used in Sank's a/b comparison. Must have been very sanktifized to be a worthy contender. Thank you Stephen! Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Well, I've taken a detailed look under the hood of both models. There > really isn't much difference. The only transport difference is slightly > different reel motors. Electrically, the only difference is the addition of > small, cheap, metallised polypropylene high-frequency bypass capacitors on > the power supply lines at each stage of the audio circuits. Otherwise, > pretty darned identical. So, it'd be pretty darned easy to turn a 3014 into > a 3014A. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 28 18:59:40 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:59:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426004@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AC2187A.367C2AEA@pacbell.net> I have a bx 2 in ok shape if anybody is interested. I would prefer to sell it post a thorough service by Stephen Sank, But you may buy it directly from me. All offers considered Brian Igritski Nick wrote: > Guys, > > herewith I would like to once again ask the collective wisdom of our group > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my brains over and out - > nothing helped. > > Brief prehistory: > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. For an obvious reason, I > never paid very much attention to this particular deck (2 heads, > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my rack. Upon getting this > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I won at German E-bay with the > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt, I decided to > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the simpliest one, BX-2, and to > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL pos. being significantly > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they are almost absolutely flat > and identical for any position. Here we come to another issue, that hinders > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during recording a 400Hz on a > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. eq. amp. and encountered a > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, naturally): > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal circuit) there. When measuring > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 respectively), I found the one at > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the voltages at it's > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 respectively) were all > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and measured again. The > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, significantly lower, but this > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't it strange? It becomes > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that the deck records > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics with a Type IV tape. > > Anybody? > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Wed Mar 28 19:16:58 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis Message-ID: <30.128072a7.27f3768a@aol.com> Wow...That must increase its value 3 fold....Yippy Yay ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 28 19:20:41 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:20:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Off topic ....................................................................................................... Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes or reel, tend to be one and the same. "Houston, we have a problem". My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a fixed resister that has changed its value. Help! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 19:59:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:59:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million years. I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which are still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. In Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come to mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a copy for next to nothing, I'm sure. Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back tension system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 Off topic ............................................................................ ........................... Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes or reel, tend to be one and the same. "Houston, we have a problem". My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a fixed resister that has changed its value. Help! John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 20:07:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426004@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <004001c0b7b1$f7bfa400$833442cf@sank1> All I can figure is that your getting back-feed from the bias, causing the distortion on metal & the erroneous ac voltage measurement. Check the capacitors in the bias trap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > Guys, > > herewith I would like to once again ask the collective wisdom of our group > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my brains over and out - > nothing helped. > > Brief prehistory: > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. For an obvious reason, I > never paid very much attention to this particular deck (2 heads, > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my rack. Upon getting this > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I won at German E-bay with the > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt, I decided to > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the simpliest one, BX-2, and to > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL pos. being significantly > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they are almost absolutely flat > and identical for any position. Here we come to another issue, that hinders > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during recording a 400Hz on a > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. eq. amp. and encountered a > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, naturally): > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal circuit) there. When measuring > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 respectively), I found the one at > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the voltages at it's > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 respectively) were all > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and measured again. The > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, significantly lower, but this > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't it strange? It becomes > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that the deck records > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics with a Type IV tape. > > Anybody? > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 28 20:39:44 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:39:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC22FEB.81E760E0@pacbell.net> I too believe that the backtension is mechanical. But, I have the deck (mint) and the users manual for a tc756 and tc756-2 that I will copy/ship for $10.00 Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million years. > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which are > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. In > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come to > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a copy > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back tension > system. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > Off topic > ............................................................................ > ........................... > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > Help! > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 28 20:51:28 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Good thinking. There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million years. > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which are > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. In > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come to > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a copy > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back tension > system. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > Off topic > ............................................................................ > ........................... > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > Help! > > John > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 20:56:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:56:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426003@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AC233C2.A856CB9F@concentric.net> Michael Mironov wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > >reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I do > >concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe > >that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, coming > >up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible > >explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of > >their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that > >there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. > > The point is that both of us, Ron and me, knows what we are talking about :) > I'm not a "believer" and not "stricken with audiophilia-disease" of any kind > but I have some expirience dealing with such a matters - and I exactly > know the differences I'm talking about. So if I can hear the difference - > it's there! The other side of the medal is that in common practice > most of the people taking in to consideration only few factors, saying > "there is only 2+2 = 4" and nothing else matters. No way! Univerce is > endless and there is many more things that we simply don't know yet > or not ready to understand. And back to cables - there is not only electric > parameters but also many different sciences concerned - crystallography, > as a simple example. When some one talking about "crystal oriented" > wire - it's not a BS, but another thing many of us not even think about. > And of course - purity of the wire - number of 9 after the comma is realy > important! When you will think how admixtures between molecules > works - than you will understand that it creates semiconductors, that definetely > affects the sound. > So, I have different point of view on such a things - if you not learned in school > about it - it dosn't mean it's not exist! We all have to learn untill the end. > But we already too far from Nak - topick ;-) > > Misha > > PS: Sorry for my "broken scientific English" Misha, Sound is represented in cables by electrical signals. Therefore, only electrical properties affect the sound of a cable. Many factors affect the electrical properties and, indirectly, the sound. I agree that crystal structure can affect R linearity and even direction. In normal extruded copper, this effect is infinitesimal. The point I was trying to make, concerning all esoteric tweaks (including, but not limited to, cables) is that the 'High End' industry will take a spurious, incidental and often trivial property, inflate it to the status of an 'issue', then offer a ridiculously expensive solution. Soon enough, there are hordes of people that swear by the new products and claim that they can hear it makes a VAST difference... This is what's happening with $300 interconnects, $2000 speaker cables, $600 line cords, RoomTunes, support cones, green ink, amp clamps, etc., etc., etc.. Nowhere did I say that analog cables (let's forget digital cables for now -- that's an entirely different issue) do not make any difference whatsoever and that any coat hanger wire will do. What I do say is that you reach the point of diminishing returns very quickly. The difference between a quality cable (at very low cost) and high-end esoteric cable (for a small fortune) is all but inaudible. It is never, ever, *vast*. Experience shows that people that claim to hear the difference, quickly lose that ability in blind tests. If you hear the difference (or even just imagine to), that's fine. Perhaps you have extremely good ears and an absolutely perfect sound system in an ideal listening room. I am not trying to convince you otherwise, just to explain my own stance. Enjoy the music, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 21:00:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:00:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment - let's kill the thread ... References: Message-ID: <3AC234CA.154F41F7@concentric.net> Stan Targowski wrote: > > AMEN ... > > Let's kill the 'A CR-7 Comment' aka 'Cable Discussion' thread. Why, this is a discussion forum, why not discuss? > I think > enough has been said, and most of the parties have > presented their points of view. Why not let parties to the conversation decide for themselves? If the thread is of no interest to you, you can just hit 'delete' -- that way, everybody's happy. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 28 21:09:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:09:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Good thinking. > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > years. > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which are > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. In > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > to > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > copy > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back tension > > system. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > Off topic > > > ............................................................................ > > ........................... > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > back > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > Help! > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 28 21:15:31 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:15:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <3AC22FEB.81E760E0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <014601c0b7bb$7554c130$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Wonderful but would it apply to my model? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > I too believe that the backtension is mechanical. But, I have the deck (mint) and the > users manual for a tc756 and tc756-2 that I will copy/ship for $10.00 > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million years. > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which are > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. In > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come to > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a copy > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back tension > > system. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Off topic > > ............................................................................ > > ........................... > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > Help! > > > > John > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 21:24:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:24:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426004@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AC23A50.EAA593C8@concentric.net> Igritski Nick wrote: > > Guys, > > herewith I would like to once again ask the collective wisdom of our group > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my brains over and out - > nothing helped. > > Brief prehistory: > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. For an obvious reason, I > never paid very much attention to this particular deck (2 heads, > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my rack. Upon getting this > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I won at German E-bay with the > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt, I decided to > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the simpliest one, BX-2, and to > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL pos. being significantly > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they are almost absolutely flat > and identical for any position. Here we come to another issue, that hinders > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during recording a 400Hz on a > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. eq. amp. and encountered a > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, naturally): > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal circuit) there. When measuring > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 respectively), I found the one at > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the voltages at it's > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 respectively) were all > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and measured again. The > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, significantly lower, but this > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't it strange? It becomes > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that the deck records > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics with a Type IV tape. > > Anybody? > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > Nick Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp sections in the same position on each channel? Is it possible that the higher voltage contains much high bias frequency (have you checked with a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage is supposed to be present, is some faulty component shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As you know, incorrect bias current will increase distortion. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Mar 28 22:40:24 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:40:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment - let's kill the thread ... References: Message-ID: <001501c0b7c7$530fe760$7f232ac4@coqui.net> Unfortunately no Akai is available to me but I certainly let you know the results. Just a word of caution for the scientific comittee: the shoot out will be from the subjective point of view only. No analyzers, multimeters or any nuclear reactors will be used ! Just kidding, ha ! Best, The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment - let's kill the thread ... > AMEN ... > > Let's kill the 'A CR-7 Comment' aka 'Cable Discussion' thread. I think > enough has been said, and most of the parties have presented their points of > view. > > Now, getting back to the vivid discussion about state of the art AKAI tape > decks, Carlos, are you going to include one of their models in your comparo > of 1000ZXL, Tandberg, and Revox (just kidding about AKAI ... - although I am > very keen on hearing how this comparo goes ...) > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: Wed, March 28, 2001 9:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment > > > Hi Nick, > > > >reading your postings, I do really respect your judgements. Moreover, I do > >concur with you in 90% of cases. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe > >that posting the opinions like those at Naktalk or, in other words, coming > >up to people stricken with audiophilia-disease with sane and intelligible > >explanations/substantiations of things constituting the very essence of > >their desired illness, is like... like trying to tell a pious one, that > >there's no God one believes in. Effect is gonna be the same. > > The point is that both of us, Ron and me, knows what we are talking about :) > I'm not a "believer" and not "stricken with audiophilia-disease" of any kind > but I have some expirience dealing with such a matters - and I exactly > know the differences I'm talking about. So if I can hear the difference - > it's there! The other side of the medal is that in common practice > most of the people taking in to consideration only few factors, saying > "there is only 2+2 = 4" and nothing else matters. No way! Univerce is > endless and there is many more things that we simply don't know yet > or not ready to understand. And back to cables - there is not only electric > parameters but also many different sciences concerned - crystallography, > as a simple example. When some one talking about "crystal oriented" > wire - it's not a BS, but another thing many of us not even think about. > And of course - purity of the wire - number of 9 after the comma is realy > important! When you will think how admixtures between molecules > works - than you will understand that it creates semiconductors, that > definetely > affects the sound. > So, I have different point of view on such a things - if you not learned in > school > about it - it dosn't mean it's not exist! We all have to learn untill the > end. > But we already too far from Nak - topick ;-) > > Misha > > PS: Sorry for my "broken scientific English" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Mar 28 21:41:28 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:41:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Yeah Its funny......DD turntables always seem to kick butt over belt drive > tables, but never touch them in sound quality. Another example of how our > hearing differs from measuring equiptment. R.J. > Drive mechanism has no effect on sound quality, as opposed to the platter, cartridge and arm, that affect it significantly. The drive is supposed to do only three things: Rotate the platter at accurate and constant speed and do it silently. All three things can be done better with a DD turntable. OTOH, they can be done very well with a belt drive and even with the theoretically inferior Idler system (e.g., the excellent Garrard 401). Unfortunately, manufacturers discovered early on that DD had a high-tech 'sexy' appeal to the uninformed masses and produced low cost, poor quality DD turntables. Soon enough, the same uniformed masses decided that DD is inferior and that belt drive 'sounds better'. Bottom line: if speed is accurate to within 1%, wow is under 0.1%, and the TT is real quiet (noise < -60db), the drive mechanism is immaterial. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 28 21:55:21 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:55:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Shoot out References: <001501c0b7c7$530fe760$7f232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <052d01c0b7c1$074c83c0$02021fac@brianm> You can use my Akai GX-9 if you can fix it! I too will be curious of your shoot out. The pressure is on! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment - let's kill the thread ... > Unfortunately no Akai is available to me but I certainly let you know the > results. Just a word of caution for the scientific comittee: the shoot out > will be from the subjective point of view only. No analyzers, multimeters or > any nuclear reactors will be used ! > > Just kidding, ha ! > > Best, > > The Tape Man > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Mar 28 22:03:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:03:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <3AC22FEB.81E760E0@pacbell.net> <014601c0b7bb$7554c130$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <3AC24390.BC7AEDF3@pacbell.net> I dont have a clue as I do not know the difference between the 2, however it is available if it can benefit you. In fact, if you want to check it out, send me $3.50 postage and I will send it out for your consideration and opportunity to copy for yourself. When you are finished, send it back. Brian Stocker 132 E Channel Stockton, CA 95202 209-464-7740 "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Wonderful but would it apply to my model? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > I too believe that the backtension is mechanical. But, I have the deck > (mint) and the > > users manual for a tc756 and tc756-2 that I will copy/ship for $10.00 > > > > Brian > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > years. > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > are > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > In > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > to > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > copy > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > tension > > > system. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > Off topic > > > > ............................................................................ > > > ........................... > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > cassettes > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > back > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > John > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 28 22:16:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:16:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <017201c0b7c4$2f996930$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Stephen, Are you saying that the band, brake are responsible for back tension? I was under the impression that voltage was applied to the motor to control tape tension. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or > etc. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Good thinking. > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > years. > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > are > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > In > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > > to > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > > copy > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > tension > > > system. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > ........................... > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > cassettes > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > > back > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 03:15:38 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:15:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question In-Reply-To: <3AC23A50.EAA593C8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010329011538.11186.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> I don't have a BX-2 schematic handy either so I don't know what section you're talking about, but, I've got a story that I thought Naktalk people might like to hear. I was calibrating record level and bias on Nak MR-1 about 3 weeks ago using a T-100 and everything was going fine until I get to Metal tape. It seemed like the bias pot for one channel was screwed up. When I turn it up I expect the meters to go up and when I turn it down I expect the meters to go down. On the bad channel it seemed almost backwards, but, not quite. I compared the record path between the left and right channel and everything seemed to be fine. Both channels looked the same. When I got to the playback amps I noticed a big difference after the bias traps. One channel was free of bias signal after the bias trap and the other side still had a large amount of the bias signal riding on top of the audio. It turned out that some of that wonderful conductive glue that Nakamichi likes using was shorting out the bias trap. I scraped it off and everthing was worked great. If a section looks strange and I can't figure out what's going on I always scrap that crap off in the area I'm looking in. Sometimes it cures the problem, sometimes it doesn't. Scott J --- Ron wrote: > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > herewith I would like to once again ask the > collective wisdom of our group > > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my > brains over and out - > > nothing helped. > > > > Brief prehistory: > > > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. > For an obvious reason, I > > never paid very much attention to this particular > deck (2 heads, > > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my > rack. Upon getting this > > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I > won at German E-bay with the > > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow > Klaus Fendt, I decided to > > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the > simpliest one, BX-2, and to > > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL > pos. being significantly > > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and > especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they > are almost absolutely flat > > and identical for any position. Here we come to > another issue, that hinders > > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during > recording a 400Hz on a > > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. > eq. amp. and encountered a > > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, > naturally): > > > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal > circuit) there. When measuring > > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 > respectively), I found the one at > > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the > voltages at it's > > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 > respectively) were all > > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and > measured again. The > > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, > significantly lower, but this > > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't > it strange? It becomes > > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that > the deck records > > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics > with a Type IV tape. > > > > Anybody? > > > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > > > Nick > > > Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure > of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp > sections in the same position on each channel? > Is it possible that the higher voltage contains > much high bias frequency (have you checked with > a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of > the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage > is supposed to be present, is some faulty component > shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As > you know, incorrect bias current will increase > distortion. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 03:25:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:25:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> <017201c0b7c4$2f996930$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <00bb01c0b7ef$26f48640$833442cf@sank1> It is entirely possible that it has electodynamic back tension(controlled voltage to supply motor), but I'd be mildly surprised. It is somewhat more likely to be purely a mechanical back tension apparatus. All you have to do to find out is pop the face plate off & see if the supply-side guide arm is attached to a brake mechanism or just an electrical sensor of some kind. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Stephen, > > Are you saying that the band, brake are responsible for back tension? I was > under the impression that voltage was applied to the motor to control tape > tension. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or > > etc. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Good thinking. > > > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a > suggestion. > > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > > years. > > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > > are > > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service > Co., > > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > > In > > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that > come > > > to > > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or > a > > > copy > > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > > tension > > > > system. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > > ........................... > > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > > cassettes > > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed > reel > > > back > > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but > cannot > > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left > reel > > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or > so. > > > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or > a > > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 03:44:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:44:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <20010329011538.11186.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d701c0b7f1$ccf6c6a0$833442cf@sank1> Shoulda thought of suggesting that, too. I've had board glue go conductive several times in Naks & many, many times in other brands. Always a good idea to get rid of it, especially if it's turning dark brown or black, which it usually does. I seen that glue blow up amp channels on Nak Receiver 1's & 2's, and that was on the top side of the board. Don't know why nobody ever seems to use silicone rubber or something equally not prone to going conductive. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > I don't have a BX-2 schematic handy either so I don't > know what section you're talking about, but, I've got > a story that I thought Naktalk people might like to > hear. > > I was calibrating record level and bias on Nak MR-1 > about 3 weeks ago using a T-100 and everything was > going fine until I get to Metal tape. It seemed like > the bias pot for one channel was screwed up. When I > turn it up I expect the meters to go up and when I > turn it down I expect the meters to go down. On the > bad channel it seemed almost backwards, but, not > quite. I compared the record path between the left > and right channel and everything seemed to be fine. > Both channels looked the same. When I got to the > playback amps I noticed a big difference after the > bias traps. One channel was free of bias signal after > the bias trap and the other side still had a large > amount of the bias signal riding on top of the audio. > It turned out that some of that wonderful conductive > glue that Nakamichi likes using was shorting out the > bias trap. I scraped it off and everthing was worked > great. > > If a section looks strange and I can't figure out > what's going on I always scrap that crap off in the > area I'm looking in. Sometimes it cures the problem, > sometimes it doesn't. > > Scott J > > > --- Ron wrote: > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > herewith I would like to once again ask the > > collective wisdom of our group > > > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my > > brains over and out - > > > nothing helped. > > > > > > Brief prehistory: > > > > > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. > > For an obvious reason, I > > > never paid very much attention to this particular > > deck (2 heads, > > > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my > > rack. Upon getting this > > > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I > > won at German E-bay with the > > > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow > > Klaus Fendt, I decided to > > > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the > > simpliest one, BX-2, and to > > > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL > > pos. being significantly > > > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and > > especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > > > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they > > are almost absolutely flat > > > and identical for any position. Here we come to > > another issue, that hinders > > > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during > > recording a 400Hz on a > > > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. > > eq. amp. and encountered a > > > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, > > naturally): > > > > > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal > > circuit) there. When measuring > > > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 > > respectively), I found the one at > > > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the > > voltages at it's > > > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 > > respectively) were all > > > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and > > measured again. The > > > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, > > significantly lower, but this > > > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't > > it strange? It becomes > > > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that > > the deck records > > > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics > > with a Type IV tape. > > > > > > Anybody? > > > > > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure > > of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp > > sections in the same position on each channel? > > Is it possible that the higher voltage contains > > much high bias frequency (have you checked with > > a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of > > the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage > > is supposed to be present, is some faulty component > > shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As > > you know, incorrect bias current will increase > > distortion. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 29 04:00:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:00:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> <017201c0b7c4$2f996930$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <00bb01c0b7ef$26f48640$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <012301c0b7f4$0c0aee00$ad496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> There is a brake drum with steel band around it with a solenoid rather like a ReVox A77. Is this used for back tension and if so how does one adjust it without screwing up the regular high speed braking? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > It is entirely possible that it has electodynamic back tension(controlled > voltage to supply motor), but I'd be mildly surprised. It is somewhat more > likely to be purely a mechanical back tension apparatus. All you have to do > to find out is pop the face plate off & see if the supply-side guide arm is > attached to a brake mechanism or just an electrical sensor of some kind. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Stephen, > > > > Are you saying that the band, brake are responsible for back tension? I > was > > under the impression that voltage was applied to the motor to control tape > > tension. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or > > > etc. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > Good thinking. > > > > > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a > > suggestion. > > > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > > > years. > > > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure > which > > > are > > > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service > > Co., > > > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones > Electronics. > > > In > > > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that > > come > > > > to > > > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original > or > > a > > > > copy > > > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with > a > > > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > > > tension > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > > > ........................... > > > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > > > cassettes > > > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed > > reel > > > > back > > > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but > > cannot > > > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left > > reel > > > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or > > so. > > > > > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week > wait! > > > > > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board > or > > a > > > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 04:22:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:22:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> <017201c0b7c4$2f996930$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <00bb01c0b7ef$26f48640$833442cf@sank1> <012301c0b7f4$0c0aee00$ad496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <010701c0b7f7$1c71d080$833442cf@sank1> If the brake band is only attached to a solenoid, then it is not the back tension device. If there's no other friction device on the supply reel, then it must be electrodynamic. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > There is a brake drum with steel band around it with a solenoid rather like > a ReVox A77. Is this used for back tension and if so how does one adjust it > without screwing up the regular high speed braking? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > It is entirely possible that it has electodynamic back tension(controlled > > voltage to supply motor), but I'd be mildly surprised. It is somewhat > more > > likely to be purely a mechanical back tension apparatus. All you have to > do > > to find out is pop the face plate off & see if the supply-side guide arm > is > > attached to a brake mechanism or just an electrical sensor of some kind. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Are you saying that the band, brake are responsible for back tension? I > > was > > > under the impression that voltage was applied to the motor to control > tape > > > tension. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm > or > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good thinking. > > > > > > > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a > > > suggestion. > > > > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a > million > > > > > years. > > > > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure > > which > > > > are > > > > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound > Service > > > Co., > > > > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones > > Electronics. > > > > In > > > > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all > that > > > come > > > > > to > > > > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original > > or > > > a > > > > > copy > > > > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help > with > > a > > > > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > > > > tension > > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > > > > ........................... > > > > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > > > > cassettes > > > > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed > > > reel > > > > > back > > > > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but > > > cannot > > > > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left > > > reel > > > > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour > or > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week > > wait! > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board > > or > > > a > > > > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Mar 29 05:25:13 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:55:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question Message-ID: <20010329032513.1CE3B1DFBE5@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mpatrick at voicenet.com Thu Mar 29 05:05:43 2001 From: mpatrick at voicenet.com (FabFourFan) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:05:43 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion In-Reply-To: <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:41:28 -0500, Ron wrote: >Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: >> >> Yeah Its funny......DD turntables always seem to kick butt over belt drive >> tables, but never touch them in sound quality. Another example of how our >> hearing differs from measuring equiptment. R.J. >> > >Drive mechanism has no effect on sound quality, as >opposed to the platter, cartridge and arm, that affect >it significantly. > >The drive is supposed to do only three things: Rotate >the platter at accurate and constant speed and do it >silently. All three things can be done better with a >DD turntable. OTOH, they can be done very well with >a belt drive and even with the theoretically inferior >Idler system (e.g., the excellent Garrard 401). > >Unfortunately, manufacturers discovered early on that >DD had a high-tech 'sexy' appeal to the uninformed >masses and produced low cost, poor quality DD >turntables. Soon enough, the same uniformed masses >decided that DD is inferior and that belt drive >'sounds better'. > >Bottom line: if speed is accurate to within 1%, wow >is under 0.1%, and the TT is real quiet (noise < -60db), >the drive mechanism is immaterial. > >-- Ron Whoa, please, what's with these "line-in-the-sand" specs, all of a sudden? Are you suggesting that your set of numbers aggregate into some sort of electro-mechanical threshold effect that hides any other aspect of how the record is being rotated? Not really, right? Just curious! Mike Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Thu Mar 29 10:04:05 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tony TC-766-2 Message-ID: <200103290804.f2T845N12073@mailgate3.cinetic.de> John, here in Germany there is a possibility getting service manuals. Try http://www.schaltungsdienst.de If you have problems translating the german site (not sure whether there is an english one) feel free to ask me for help. Normally these manuals cost about 10U$ without any shipping costs Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________________ Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de Die große Welt der Kommunikation: E-Mail, Fax, SMS, WAP: http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 10:51:04 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:51:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: technical enquiry RX202 Message-ID: Hello everyone, It's certainly been interesting following the recent discussions. As a newcomer to this, I have a question (again!), primarily directed at Stephen (or any of the other engineers). I remember seeing an item in ebay by Stephen not so long ago, which was for the idler tires for the nakamichi BX/CR series. I'm just wondering, how can I get hold of one and does this apply to the RX202? The only problem is I live in Europe! On a seperate note, I have found the technical discussions very interesting, even though some of it goes over my head! And thanks to Stephen for his ebay item on the idler tires, without it, I wouldn't have found the naks website and this naktalk! Cheers everyone! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 29 11:32:07 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:32:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: <001801c0b564$d2d056c0$f28b9a40@compaq> Message-ID: Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to stop recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend and found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other functions ! Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff and the lube looks well past its sell by date. Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to replace it ? Yours in Silence Jim Barking at ntlworld.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 12:03:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:03:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: technical enquiry RX202 References: Message-ID: <013f01c0b837$72064720$833442cf@sank1> The RX202 is the same mechanism as the BX & CR series, but only about half of the RX-202's produced had the rubber idler drive, since the gear drive was incorporated into production in May, 1988. The idler tire should certainly be available from a European OEM parts supplier, as an Onkyo or Harman Kardon part. The tire dimensions are 14.22mm(O.D.) x 9.6mm (I.D.) x 2.06mm thickness. If you are unable to find them, I'd be happy to get some over to you, if one of our guys over your way can't do the same. I don't have enough brain power left this late at night to write a description of how to get to the idler on an RX-202, which is rather more complicated than on the other decks, but if you will email me directly at another time, I can do it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: technical enquiry RX202 > Hello everyone, > > It's certainly been interesting following the recent discussions. As a > newcomer to this, I have a question (again!), primarily directed at Stephen > (or any of the other engineers). I remember seeing an item in ebay by > Stephen not so long ago, which was for the idler tires for the nakamichi > BX/CR series. I'm just wondering, how can I get hold of one and does this > apply to the RX202? The only problem is I live in Europe! > > On a seperate note, I have found the technical discussions very interesting, > even though some of it goes over my head! And thanks to Stephen for his ebay > item on the idler tires, without it, I wouldn't have found the naks website > and this naktalk! Cheers everyone! > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Mar 29 11:59:32 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:59:32 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, >Fourthly, you reply is nothing, but striving for further debates. Let's stop >it. It's simply useless. All the above is all about your previous posting, not mine. Misha PS: Hey, nothing personal. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Mar 29 12:30:26 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:30:26 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Shoot out References: <052d01c0b7c1$074c83c0$02021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hi Brian, I can tell you results already - Akay will be the last one ;-) BTW, I run accross nice looking AIWA FF8, just arrived from Japan. Is there any expirience with this old (mid 80-th, I guess) baby? And there is some Marantz, that definetely uses Sankyo transport, and in some point reminds me BX-es much. However, my guess is that it's just another deck with Sankyo transport but not "third party" Nak. Any comments? Thanks, Misha >You can use my Akai GX-9 if you can fix it! > >I too will be curious of your shoot out. The pressure is on! > >Brian Miller >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Mar 29 12:25:22 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:25:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] A CR-7 comment References: <3AC233C2.A856CB9F@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, >The point I was trying to make, concerning all esoteric >tweaks (including, but not limited to, cables) is that >the 'High End' industry will take a spurious, incidental >and often trivial property, inflate it to the status of >an 'issue', then offer a ridiculously expensive solution. >Soon enough, there are hordes of people that swear by the >new products and claim that they can hear it makes a VAST >difference... > >This is what's happening with $300 interconnects, $2000 >speaker cables, $600 line cords, RoomTunes, support cones, >green ink, amp clamps, etc., etc., etc.. I'm absolytely agree with you. All the cables I'm using in my setup - handmade by me. I'll never pay anything over, let's say, $50 for four RCA connectors and 2 meters of some professionel good quality micropone cable. Or I'll wound litz - if will have enough time for it :) Same for speacer cable. And I exactly know how much profit gets reseller from selling all of those "$300 interconnects, $2000 speaker cables, $600 line cords, RoomTunes, support cones, green ink, amp clamps, etc., etc., etc..". However it dos not means that there is no difference :) Peace! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Mar 29 17:07:18 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:07:18 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426006@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Ron, Stephen, Scott & Kannan first of all I would like to thank you all for the excellent insights to my problem. Here's a bit more history of my BX-2. I didn't want to write about it first, but now the time is right. In fact, all my troubles started when I discovered the left channel of the deck recording bad, namely it simply didn't want to put signals on any tape with the level greater than -10dB. Right channel was seemingly OK. As I already said, I poked along the the signal path in the rec. amp. and after a while found a couple of soldering defects. It didn't take long to eliminate them and the left channel was there! Then I conducted some THD-measurements and discovered the RIGHT channel containing twice as much harmonics compared to the left one with ANY tape. Hmmmm... I poked again, resoldered some more spots and ended up trading places EVERY f..kin' element in the rec. amp. circuit in hope for the fault to come over at least (i.e. to the LEFT channel). No way!!! Harmonics seemed to prefer the right channel anyway. Disappointed, I washed the remnants of flux'n'solder off the PCB and in desperation tried to record again. This time there was NO recorded signal at all! It was arriving to the r/p head, but it wasn't put on tape. I rubbed and cleaned the PCB one more time, recorded and... o, crikey! Both channels were there. Moreover, in both channels harmonics now became equal and within the tolerance range, except for Type IV. And I still can't comprehend, how can it be, that I get significantly different voltages at the OP.AMP. outputs, but get excellent frequency response in BOTH channels with all tapes without having to tweak the VR's responsible for rec. level and bias level adjustment - all the respective VR-pairs are turned through nearly the same angle, just as they should! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > It reminds me of my BX300 record amp distortion problem. I had to replace > the capacitor with 2.0nF ( instead of 2.2nF) and found the bias leakage > reduce by 4 fold- you will find this existing 2.2nF to be an orange cap > probably!. I did not find any glue in this area though! > Nick; your problem is definitely te bias leakage in to record amp which > can be easily checked by an Oscilloscope or a VTVM. Another point is this > bias leakge could not be checked by VTVM in play circuit as the amplitude > is very small compared to record circuit while I could see play circuit > leakage clearly on Scope ( fuzzy anyway) > Hope all of these clue helps you get rid of your problem? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > >Shoulda thought of suggesting that, too. I've had board glue go > conductive > >several times in Naks & many, many times in other brands. Always a good > >idea to get rid of it, especially if it's turning dark brown or black, > which > >it usually does. I seen that glue blow up amp channels on Nak Receiver > 1's > >& 2's, and that was on the top side of the board. Don't know why nobody > >ever seems to use silicone rubber or something equally not prone to going > >conductive. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Johnson" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:15 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > >> I don't have a BX-2 schematic handy either so I don't > >> know what section you're talking about, but, I've got > >> a story that I thought Naktalk people might like to > >> hear. > >> > >> I was calibrating record level and bias on Nak MR-1 > >> about 3 weeks ago using a T-100 and everything was > >> going fine until I get to Metal tape. It seemed like > >> the bias pot for one channel was screwed up. When I > >> turn it up I expect the meters to go up and when I > >> turn it down I expect the meters to go down. On the > >> bad channel it seemed almost backwards, but, not > >> quite. I compared the record path between the left > >> and right channel and everything seemed to be fine. > >> Both channels looked the same. When I got to the > >> playback amps I noticed a big difference after the > >> bias traps. One channel was free of bias signal after > >> the bias trap and the other side still had a large > >> amount of the bias signal riding on top of the audio. > >> It turned out that some of that wonderful conductive > >> glue that Nakamichi likes using was shorting out the > >> bias trap. I scraped it off and everthing was worked > >> great. > >> > >> If a section looks strange and I can't figure out > >> what's going on I always scrap that crap off in the > >> area I'm looking in. Sometimes it cures the problem, > >> sometimes it doesn't. > >> > >> Scott J > >> > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Igritski Nick wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Guys, > >> > > > >> > > herewith I would like to once again ask the > >> > collective wisdom of our group > >> > > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my > >> > brains over and out - > >> > > nothing helped. > >> > > > >> > > Brief prehistory: > >> > > > >> > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. > >> > For an obvious reason, I > >> > > never paid very much attention to this particular > >> > deck (2 heads, > >> > > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my > >> > rack. Upon getting this > >> > > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I > >> > won at German E-bay with the > >> > > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow > >> > Klaus Fendt, I decided to > >> > > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the > >> > simpliest one, BX-2, and to > >> > > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL > >> > pos. being significantly > >> > > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and > >> > especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > >> > > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they > >> > are almost absolutely flat > >> > > and identical for any position. Here we come to > >> > another issue, that hinders > >> > > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during > >> > recording a 400Hz on a > >> > > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. > >> > eq. amp. and encountered a > >> > > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, > >> > naturally): > >> > > > >> > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal > >> > circuit) there. When measuring > >> > > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 > >> > respectively), I found the one at > >> > > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the > >> > voltages at it's > >> > > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 > >> > respectively) were all > >> > > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and > >> > measured again. The > >> > > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, > >> > significantly lower, but this > >> > > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't > >> > it strange? It becomes > >> > > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that > >> > the deck records > >> > > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics > >> > with a Type IV tape. > >> > > > >> > > Anybody? > >> > > > >> > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > >> > > > >> > > Nick > >> > > >> > > >> > Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure > >> > of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp > >> > sections in the same position on each channel? > >> > Is it possible that the higher voltage contains > >> > much high bias frequency (have you checked with > >> > a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of > >> > the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage > >> > is supposed to be present, is some faulty component > >> > shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As > >> > you know, incorrect bias current will increase > >> > distortion. > >> > > >> > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 29 17:29:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:29:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Shoot out References: <052d01c0b7c1$074c83c0$02021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000501c0b865$098cbd40$3d021fac@brianm> > I can tell you results already - Akai will be the last one ;-) Now there's a revelation! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Shoot out > Hi Brian, > > I can tell you results already - Akay will be the last one ;-) > > BTW, I run accross nice looking AIWA FF8, just arrived from Japan. > Is there any expirience with this old (mid 80-th, I guess) baby? > And there is some Marantz, that definetely uses Sankyo transport, > and in some point reminds me BX-es much. However, my guess is > that it's just another deck with Sankyo transport but not "third party" Nak. > Any comments? > > Thanks, > Misha > > >You can use my Akai GX-9 if you can fix it! > > > >I too will be curious of your shoot out. The pressure is on! > > > >Brian Miller > >Michigan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 18:41:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:41:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <3AC365C0.DF5A7590@pacbell.net> can't help you get it fixed, but have to say that that was the best hand held portable I ever owned. fix it if you can because i don't think there are better analog recorders of that size out there. Brian barking wrote: > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to stop > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend and > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > functions ! > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff and > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > replace it ? > > Yours in Silence > Jim > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Mar 29 19:41:05 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:41:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: <3AC365C0.DF5A7590@pacbell.net> Message-ID: The Sony professional walkman is an excellent piece of equipment, I have one and love it, especially for on the road recordings when lugging your Nak along just isn't practical! I have had a lesser walkman "fixed" by an "authorized service center" but it was never the same. It's understandable that the repair shops smile when you ask about fixing them, they probably are all too scared to even try as the parts are all so small and tightly packed together! It's almost like micro-surgery. Judging from the price of labor these days, it may not even be cost effective to try and fix this, especially considering the frustration to get it back and it's still not the way it was. Maybe you should check out E-bay since I have seen a WM-D6C go for as little as $120 in the not too distant past. Then keep yours for parts for the future should that prove practical. Just a thought... Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 29 19:43:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:43:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> Message-ID: <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> FabFourFan wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:41:28 -0500, Ron wrote: > > >Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Yeah Its funny......DD turntables always seem to kick butt over belt drive > >> tables, but never touch them in sound quality. Another example of how our > >> hearing differs from measuring equiptment. R.J. > >> > > > >Drive mechanism has no effect on sound quality, as > >opposed to the platter, cartridge and arm, that affect > >it significantly. > > > >The drive is supposed to do only three things: Rotate > >the platter at accurate and constant speed and do it > >silently. All three things can be done better with a > >DD turntable. OTOH, they can be done very well with > >a belt drive and even with the theoretically inferior > >Idler system (e.g., the excellent Garrard 401). > > > >Unfortunately, manufacturers discovered early on that > >DD had a high-tech 'sexy' appeal to the uninformed > >masses and produced low cost, poor quality DD > >turntables. Soon enough, the same uniformed masses > >decided that DD is inferior and that belt drive > >'sounds better'. > > > >Bottom line: if speed is accurate to within 1%, wow > >is under 0.1%, and the TT is real quiet (noise < -60db), > >the drive mechanism is immaterial. > > > >-- Ron > > Whoa, please, what's with these "line-in-the-sand" specs, all of a > sudden? > > Are you suggesting that your set of numbers aggregate into some sort > of electro-mechanical threshold effect that hides any other aspect > of how the record is being rotated? Not really, right? > > Just curious! > > Mike Patrick > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these specs is more or less the threshold perception of the average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive method is immaterial. What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) do you have in mind? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 19:43:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:43:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <019101c0b877$d364ee00$833442cf@sank1> I am surprised at Sony UK's response, since the WM-D6C ended it's very long production run only a few years ago. I am about 98 percent sure that you could get an original service manual from over here, most likely through Fulton Radio Supply, which should be easy to look up on the net. I will say, though, that these decks, while certainly among the best portables ever(albeit well below a Nak 550 or 350!), they do "hit the wall" at a certain age, where they just become mechanically beyond saving. Same is true of every portable I know of except the Naks. So, if yours is beyond a couple thousand hours of use, it is probably best to let it go. If you must have another WM-D6C, it should not be very hard at all to buy a less-used one on ebay or elsewhere. I see them fairly regularly on ebay over here. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to stop > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend and > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > functions ! > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff and > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > replace it ? > > Yours in Silence > Jim > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 29 19:49:15 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:49:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000b01c0b878$92ccb750$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Off Topic. ............................................................................ .................... Stephen and others, Left reel motor, only, has what looks like another little motor (brake?) on opposite end of shaft from brake. So looking from behind tape from front we have a motor spindle with brake drum, brake band and solenoid then at the back of the same reel motor is another unit attached on the same motor spindle. Two wires, red & white with a black coming from somewhere else leave this device and go to the swing down motherboard pins at 58, 59 & 60. So I assume that somewhere near these should be perhaps an adjustment pot. or would this be a fixed value some place that adjusts tape back tension? Another Naktalk member has been very kind and is going to send me a Service Manual for a Sony TC-765 machine which hopefully has the same back tension configuration. Klaus Fendt was also good enough to point me at www.schaltungsdienst.de which actually has the manual available but I haven't figured out yet if it's buyable in English. I would very much like to get this deck back in shape as it's built like a tank and nothing on it relies on flimsy construction. The 2 / 4 track playback head switching is also a nice feature that I wish other makers had incorporated. The saga continues................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or > etc. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Good thinking. > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > years. > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > are > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > In > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > > to > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > > copy > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > tension > > > system. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > ........................... > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > cassettes > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > > back > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 29 19:51:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:51:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426006@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <019901c0b878$e4760520$833442cf@sank1> Okay, Nick. Now I am having grave doubts about the survival of this BX-2!:-) If you have swapped the bias trap & other rec amp parts L>R already with no change, then there is some major strangeness going on. From here, I'll have to start grasping for some pretty far out suggestions. Head switching relay? If one channel is making poor contact in rec mode, it could increase the bias level at the output of the rec amp, by virtue of decreasing the head load. Head wiring cable? Same logic. Both channels of the head measure the same DC resistance, within 5 or 10 ohms? All I'm able to think of right now. I'll keep thinking about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > Ron, Stephen, Scott & Kannan > > first of all I would like to thank you all for the excellent insights to my > problem. Here's a bit more history of my BX-2. I didn't want to write about > it first, but now the time is right. > > In fact, all my troubles started when I discovered the left channel of the > deck recording bad, namely it simply didn't want to put signals on any tape > with the level greater than -10dB. Right channel was seemingly OK. As I > already said, I poked along the the signal path in the rec. amp. and after a > while found a couple of soldering defects. It didn't take long to eliminate > them and the left channel was there! Then I conducted some THD-measurements > and discovered the RIGHT channel containing twice as much harmonics compared > to the left one with ANY tape. Hmmmm... I poked again, resoldered some more > spots and ended up trading places EVERY f..kin' element in the rec. amp. > circuit in hope for the fault to come over at least (i.e. to the LEFT > channel). No way!!! Harmonics seemed to prefer the right channel anyway. > Disappointed, I washed the remnants of flux'n'solder off the PCB and in > desperation tried to record again. This time there was NO recorded signal at > all! It was arriving to the r/p head, but it wasn't put on tape. I rubbed > and cleaned the PCB one more time, recorded and... o, crikey! Both channels > were there. Moreover, in both channels harmonics now became equal and within > the tolerance range, except for Type IV. > > And I still can't comprehend, how can it be, that I get significantly > different voltages at the OP.AMP. outputs, but get excellent frequency > response in BOTH channels with all tapes without having to tweak the VR's > responsible for rec. level and bias level adjustment - all the respective > VR-pairs are turned through nearly the same angle, just as they should! > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:25 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > It reminds me of my BX300 record amp distortion problem. I had to replace > > the capacitor with 2.0nF ( instead of 2.2nF) and found the bias leakage > > reduce by 4 fold- you will find this existing 2.2nF to be an orange cap > > probably!. I did not find any glue in this area though! > > Nick; your problem is definitely te bias leakage in to record amp which > > can be easily checked by an Oscilloscope or a VTVM. Another point is this > > bias leakge could not be checked by VTVM in play circuit as the amplitude > > is very small compared to record circuit while I could see play circuit > > leakage clearly on Scope ( fuzzy anyway) > > Hope all of these clue helps you get rid of your problem? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > > >Shoulda thought of suggesting that, too. I've had board glue go > > conductive > > >several times in Naks & many, many times in other brands. Always a good > > >idea to get rid of it, especially if it's turning dark brown or black, > > which > > >it usually does. I seen that glue blow up amp channels on Nak Receiver > > 1's > > >& 2's, and that was on the top side of the board. Don't know why nobody > > >ever seems to use silicone rubber or something equally not prone to going > > >conductive. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott Johnson" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:15 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > > > > >> I don't have a BX-2 schematic handy either so I don't > > >> know what section you're talking about, but, I've got > > >> a story that I thought Naktalk people might like to > > >> hear. > > >> > > >> I was calibrating record level and bias on Nak MR-1 > > >> about 3 weeks ago using a T-100 and everything was > > >> going fine until I get to Metal tape. It seemed like > > >> the bias pot for one channel was screwed up. When I > > >> turn it up I expect the meters to go up and when I > > >> turn it down I expect the meters to go down. On the > > >> bad channel it seemed almost backwards, but, not > > >> quite. I compared the record path between the left > > >> and right channel and everything seemed to be fine. > > >> Both channels looked the same. When I got to the > > >> playback amps I noticed a big difference after the > > >> bias traps. One channel was free of bias signal after > > >> the bias trap and the other side still had a large > > >> amount of the bias signal riding on top of the audio. > > >> It turned out that some of that wonderful conductive > > >> glue that Nakamichi likes using was shorting out the > > >> bias trap. I scraped it off and everthing was worked > > >> great. > > >> > > >> If a section looks strange and I can't figure out > > >> what's going on I always scrap that crap off in the > > >> area I'm looking in. Sometimes it cures the problem, > > >> sometimes it doesn't. > > >> > > >> Scott J > > >> > > >> > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > >> > Igritski Nick wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Guys, > > >> > > > > >> > > herewith I would like to once again ask the > > >> > collective wisdom of our group > > >> > > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my > > >> > brains over and out - > > >> > > nothing helped. > > >> > > > > >> > > Brief prehistory: > > >> > > > > >> > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. > > >> > For an obvious reason, I > > >> > > never paid very much attention to this particular > > >> > deck (2 heads, > > >> > > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my > > >> > rack. Upon getting this > > >> > > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I > > >> > won at German E-bay with the > > >> > > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow > > >> > Klaus Fendt, I decided to > > >> > > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the > > >> > simpliest one, BX-2, and to > > >> > > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL > > >> > pos. being significantly > > >> > > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and > > >> > especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > > >> > > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they > > >> > are almost absolutely flat > > >> > > and identical for any position. Here we come to > > >> > another issue, that hinders > > >> > > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during > > >> > recording a 400Hz on a > > >> > > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. > > >> > eq. amp. and encountered a > > >> > > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, > > >> > naturally): > > >> > > > > >> > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal > > >> > circuit) there. When measuring > > >> > > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 > > >> > respectively), I found the one at > > >> > > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the > > >> > voltages at it's > > >> > > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 > > >> > respectively) were all > > >> > > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and > > >> > measured again. The > > >> > > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, > > >> > significantly lower, but this > > >> > > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't > > >> > it strange? It becomes > > >> > > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that > > >> > the deck records > > >> > > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics > > >> > with a Type IV tape. > > >> > > > > >> > > Anybody? > > >> > > > > >> > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > >> > > > > >> > > Nick > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure > > >> > of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp > > >> > sections in the same position on each channel? > > >> > Is it possible that the higher voltage contains > > >> > much high bias frequency (have you checked with > > >> > a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of > > >> > the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage > > >> > is supposed to be present, is some faulty component > > >> > shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As > > >> > you know, incorrect bias current will increase > > >> > distortion. > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Thu Mar 29 20:43:32 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:43:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <27.131ea30b.27f4dc54@aol.com> Without even getting into Sota, Oracle, VPI, Linn, and the other elite turntables. You could get a VPI Jr. or a Rega, or an AR ES-1 and i would rank them all above the DD Tables, like the Nakamichi, Technics......and so on. That is just my opinion, i dont really care about the numbers either. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Thu Mar 29 20:44:38 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:44:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C Message-ID: <63.13d6bb5c.27f4dc96@aol.com> Also you could try A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals. Not sure if they have what your looking for though. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 20:51:20 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:51:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426006@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <019901c0b878$e4760520$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC38422.4489926@pacbell.net> just buy mine $65.00. it works great and then you have 2 with which to maintain 1 good 1 Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Okay, Nick. Now I am having grave doubts about the survival of this > BX-2!:-) If you have swapped the bias trap & other rec amp parts L>R > already with no change, then there is some major strangeness going on. From > here, I'll have to start grasping for some pretty far out suggestions. Head > switching relay? If one channel is making poor contact in rec mode, it > could increase the bias level at the output of the rec amp, by virtue of > decreasing the head load. Head wiring cable? Same logic. Both channels of > the head measure the same DC resistance, within 5 or 10 ohms? All I'm able > to think of right now. I'll keep thinking about it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > Ron, Stephen, Scott & Kannan > > > > first of all I would like to thank you all for the excellent insights to > my > > problem. Here's a bit more history of my BX-2. I didn't want to write > about > > it first, but now the time is right. > > > > In fact, all my troubles started when I discovered the left channel of the > > deck recording bad, namely it simply didn't want to put signals on any > tape > > with the level greater than -10dB. Right channel was seemingly OK. As I > > already said, I poked along the the signal path in the rec. amp. and after > a > > while found a couple of soldering defects. It didn't take long to > eliminate > > them and the left channel was there! Then I conducted some > THD-measurements > > and discovered the RIGHT channel containing twice as much harmonics > compared > > to the left one with ANY tape. Hmmmm... I poked again, resoldered some > more > > spots and ended up trading places EVERY f..kin' element in the rec. amp. > > circuit in hope for the fault to come over at least (i.e. to the LEFT > > channel). No way!!! Harmonics seemed to prefer the right channel anyway. > > Disappointed, I washed the remnants of flux'n'solder off the PCB and in > > desperation tried to record again. This time there was NO recorded signal > at > > all! It was arriving to the r/p head, but it wasn't put on tape. I rubbed > > and cleaned the PCB one more time, recorded and... o, crikey! Both > channels > > were there. Moreover, in both channels harmonics now became equal and > within > > the tolerance range, except for Type IV. > > > > And I still can't comprehend, how can it be, that I get significantly > > different voltages at the OP.AMP. outputs, but get excellent frequency > > response in BOTH channels with all tapes without having to tweak the VR's > > responsible for rec. level and bias level adjustment - all the respective > > VR-pairs are turned through nearly the same angle, just as they should! > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:25 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > > It reminds me of my BX300 record amp distortion problem. I had to > replace > > > the capacitor with 2.0nF ( instead of 2.2nF) and found the bias leakage > > > reduce by 4 fold- you will find this existing 2.2nF to be an orange cap > > > probably!. I did not find any glue in this area though! > > > Nick; your problem is definitely te bias leakage in to record amp which > > > can be easily checked by an Oscilloscope or a VTVM. Another point is > this > > > bias leakge could not be checked by VTVM in play circuit as the > amplitude > > > is very small compared to record circuit while I could see play circuit > > > leakage clearly on Scope ( fuzzy anyway) > > > Hope all of these clue helps you get rid of your problem? > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:01 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > > > > > >Shoulda thought of suggesting that, too. I've had board glue go > > > conductive > > > >several times in Naks & many, many times in other brands. Always a > good > > > >idea to get rid of it, especially if it's turning dark brown or black, > > > which > > > >it usually does. I seen that glue blow up amp channels on Nak Receiver > > > 1's > > > >& 2's, and that was on the top side of the board. Don't know why > nobody > > > >ever seems to use silicone rubber or something equally not prone to > going > > > >conductive. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Scott Johnson" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:15 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't have a BX-2 schematic handy either so I don't > > > >> know what section you're talking about, but, I've got > > > >> a story that I thought Naktalk people might like to > > > >> hear. > > > >> > > > >> I was calibrating record level and bias on Nak MR-1 > > > >> about 3 weeks ago using a T-100 and everything was > > > >> going fine until I get to Metal tape. It seemed like > > > >> the bias pot for one channel was screwed up. When I > > > >> turn it up I expect the meters to go up and when I > > > >> turn it down I expect the meters to go down. On the > > > >> bad channel it seemed almost backwards, but, not > > > >> quite. I compared the record path between the left > > > >> and right channel and everything seemed to be fine. > > > >> Both channels looked the same. When I got to the > > > >> playback amps I noticed a big difference after the > > > >> bias traps. One channel was free of bias signal after > > > >> the bias trap and the other side still had a large > > > >> amount of the bias signal riding on top of the audio. > > > >> It turned out that some of that wonderful conductive > > > >> glue that Nakamichi likes using was shorting out the > > > >> bias trap. I scraped it off and everthing was worked > > > >> great. > > > >> > > > >> If a section looks strange and I can't figure out > > > >> what's going on I always scrap that crap off in the > > > >> area I'm looking in. Sometimes it cures the problem, > > > >> sometimes it doesn't. > > > >> > > > >> Scott J > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > > >> > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Guys, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > herewith I would like to once again ask the > > > >> > collective wisdom of our group > > > >> > > in regard to a problem I've completely racked my > > > >> > brains over and out - > > > >> > > nothing helped. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Brief prehistory: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I own a really nice looking, almost "new" BX-2. > > > >> > For an obvious reason, I > > > >> > > never paid very much attention to this particular > > > >> > deck (2 heads, > > > >> > > single-capstan etc.) so it just got dusty in my > > > >> > rack. Upon getting this > > > >> > > absolutely stunning T100 Audio Analyzer, that I > > > >> > won at German E-bay with the > > > >> > > help and all-round support from our Nak-fellow > > > >> > Klaus Fendt, I decided to > > > >> > > check each of my Naks anew. I started with the > > > >> > simpliest one, BX-2, and to > > > >> > > my surprise discovered the THD-factor for a METAL > > > >> > pos. being significantly > > > >> > > greater (~2%) than for those NORMAL (<1%) and > > > >> > especially CHROME (<0.5%!) at > > > >> > > 0dB rec. level. As to frequency responses, they > > > >> > are almost absolutely flat > > > >> > > and identical for any position. Here we come to > > > >> > another issue, that hinders > > > >> > > me from sleeping well. For whatever reason during > > > >> > recording a 400Hz on a > > > >> > > blank tape I poked along the signal paths in rec. > > > >> > eq. amp. and encountered a > > > >> > > pretty strange phenomenon (strange to me, > > > >> > naturally): > > > >> > > > > > >> > > There's an op. amp. IC303 (see the principal > > > >> > circuit) there. When measuring > > > >> > > the ~voltages at it's outputs (legs 1 & 7 > > > >> > respectively), I found the one at > > > >> > > leg 7 to be twice as much than at leg 1, while the > > > >> > voltages at it's > > > >> > > inverting & non-inverting inputs (legs 2, 6 & 3, 5 > > > >> > respectively) were all > > > >> > > the same. Then I just stopped bias oscillating and > > > >> > measured again. The > > > >> > > voltages at the IC-outputs were, naturally, > > > >> > significantly lower, but this > > > >> > > time equal. The same applied for the inputs. Ain't > > > >> > it strange? It becomes > > > >> > > even more strange, when we consider the fact, that > > > >> > the deck records > > > >> > > absolutely normally, except excessive harmonics > > > >> > with a Type IV tape. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Anybody? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Greetings from Moscow to everybody. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Nick > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Nick, I don't have the schematic and am not sure > > > >> > of the circuit configuration. Are the two amp > > > >> > sections in the same position on each channel? > > > >> > Is it possible that the higher voltage contains > > > >> > much high bias frequency (have you checked with > > > >> > a 'scope)? If so, is there a bias trap ahead of > > > >> > the pin 7 amp, that may be faulty? If bias voltage > > > >> > is supposed to be present, is some faulty component > > > >> > shunting it to ground ahead of the pin 1 amp? As > > > >> > you know, incorrect bias current will increase > > > >> > distortion. > > > >> > > > > >> > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 20:49:12 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:49:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <3AC383A2.1FA44853@pacbell.net> excellent advice from Roland. Mine was stolen 15 years ago and am casually looking for another brian Roland Alford wrote: > The Sony professional walkman is an excellent piece of equipment, I have one > and love it, especially for on the road recordings when lugging your Nak > along just isn't practical! I have had a lesser walkman "fixed" by an > "authorized service center" but it was never the same. It's understandable > that the repair shops smile when you ask about fixing them, they probably > are all too scared to even try as the parts are all so small and tightly > packed together! It's almost like micro-surgery. > > Judging from the price of labor these days, it may not even be cost > effective to try and fix this, especially considering the frustration to get > it back and it's still not the way it was. Maybe you should check out E-bay > since I have seen a WM-D6C go for as little as $120 in the not too distant > past. Then keep yours for parts for the future should that prove practical. > > Just a thought... > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Mar 29 21:18:49 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:18:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: <019101c0b877$d364ee00$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC38A92.5336290A@pacbell.net> I have a nak 350 in nice shape. can have stephen work it over and send it directly from him or you may buy it outright for $225. It is far superior to the sony but requires 12 V power supply which you vould get from yor car cigarette lighter or some other resource. Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > I am surprised at Sony UK's response, since the WM-D6C ended it's very long > production run only a few years ago. I am about 98 percent sure that you > could get an original service manual from over here, most likely through > Fulton Radio Supply, which should be easy to look up on the net. I will > say, though, that these decks, while certainly among the best portables > ever(albeit well below a Nak 550 or 350!), they do "hit the wall" at a > certain age, where they just become mechanically beyond saving. Same is > true of every portable I know of except the Naks. So, if yours is beyond a > couple thousand hours of use, it is probably best to let it go. If you must > have another WM-D6C, it should not be very hard at all to buy a less-used > one on ebay or elsewhere. I see them fairly regularly on ebay over here. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barking" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:32 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > > > > > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to > stop > > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend > and > > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > > functions ! > > > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff > and > > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > > replace it ? > > > > Yours in Silence > > Jim > > > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 29 21:27:03 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:27:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> Message-ID: <04aa01c0b886$3e666400$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:43 PM > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these > specs is more or less the threshold perception of the > average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed > (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed > accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long > as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive > method is immaterial. > > What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > do you have in mind? > > -- Ron I was going to stay out of this but.... and it is Nak related as you will see First the dd vs belt drive debate is more complicated than Ron states because you have to look at turntables as a system and there a very few good DD turntables compared to belt drive. Namely a couple of goldmunds the latest rockport which although direct drive is a little more complicated than simply a motor with a plater on top of it and a few micro seki's vs the Michels Vpi's Basis Goldmund references and many more for belt drive. So which is better? it depends but in less than rarefied air, price wise, beltdrives perform better sonically. As for speed unless you have heard say the rockport siruss3 or another table like the goldmund reference with absolute speed stability you can't understand how much of a difference the sound quality is over average turntables. Speed stability was one of the few adavntages of the compact disk. As for Ron's question "What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > do you have in mind?" Here is the Nak content find a dragon turntable that automatically centers the record. the reduction in wow and flutter is amazing and the sound quality takes on a solidity that other record players can't match. not the perfect table but one that will make you notice what effect subtle changes in design will make. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 29 21:31:45 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:31:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <27.131ea30b.27f4dc54@aol.com> Message-ID: <04b201c0b886$e63782e0$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Without even getting into Sota, Oracle, VPI, Linn, and the other elite > turntables. You could get a VPI Jr. or a Rega, or an AR ES-1 and i would > rank them all above the DD Tables, like the Nakamichi, Technics......and so > on. That is just my opinion, i dont really care about the numbers either. > R.J. Have you actually compared a Nak Dragon to a AR ES-1 or a vpi jr? there's no way they beat the dragon, technics maybe but I doubt a properly set up sp10 would sound worse than the above. BTW since we are talking about this HW of VPI has stated that he thinks the reason for DD low sound quality was the weight of the platter and suggested that replacing a denon direct drive turntables plater with say a TNT plater would greatly increase the sound and bring with it the speed stability that belt drives lack. unfortunately they don't make the motors any more. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at email.msn.com Thu Mar 29 21:33:37 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:33:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <002501c0b887$284ffb80$87e61d3f@Marc> I might have an owner's manual for the D6. Would that help at all? I'll also suggest that if you're looking for a nice on-location deck, it's hard to beat the Sony TCD5m or D5 Pro II (the ProII has XLR mic inputs instead of 1/4" jacks) I've used both extensively and can't say enough good things about them. Marc HZL88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to stop > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend and > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > functions ! > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff and > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > replace it ? > > Yours in Silence > Jim > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 29 22:18:32 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:18:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: <3AC383A2.1FA44853@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <00f101c0b88d$6db06470$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I have one that is almost mint. Player with leather case, no extras, used very, very sparingly. Has Dolby B & C. I'm the original owner. Offers anybody! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > excellent advice from Roland. Mine was stolen 15 years ago and am casually looking > for another > > brian > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > The Sony professional walkman is an excellent piece of equipment, I have one > > and love it, especially for on the road recordings when lugging your Nak > > along just isn't practical! I have had a lesser walkman "fixed" by an > > "authorized service center" but it was never the same. It's understandable > > that the repair shops smile when you ask about fixing them, they probably > > are all too scared to even try as the parts are all so small and tightly > > packed together! It's almost like micro-surgery. > > > > Judging from the price of labor these days, it may not even be cost > > effective to try and fix this, especially considering the frustration to get > > it back and it's still not the way it was. Maybe you should check out E-bay > > since I have seen a WM-D6C go for as little as $120 in the not too distant > > past. Then keep yours for parts for the future should that prove practical. > > > > Just a thought... > > > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Mar 29 22:36:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:36:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> <04aa01c0b886$3e666400$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AC39CB3.89C2D6A6@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:43 PM > > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these > > specs is more or less the threshold perception of the > > average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed > > (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed > > accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long > > as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive > > method is immaterial. > > > > What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > do you have in mind? > > > > -- Ron > I was going to stay out of this but.... and it is Nak related as you will > see > First the dd vs belt drive debate is more complicated than Ron states > because > you have to look at turntables as a system and there a very few good DD > turntables compared to belt drive. Namely a couple of goldmunds the latest > rockport which although direct drive is a little more complicated than > simply a motor with a plater on top of it and a few micro seki's vs the > Michels Vpi's Basis Goldmund references and many more for belt drive. Actually, DD is pretty simplistic. In some implementations it isn't even 'a motor with a platter on top of it' but just a platter with coils embedded in it, riding on top of even more coils. BTW, You neglected to mention the ReVox series of TTs, all of which are DD. > So which is better? it depends but in less than rarefied air, price wise, > beltdrives perform better sonically. > > As for speed unless you have heard say the rockport siruss3 or another table > like the goldmund reference with absolute speed stability you can't > understand how much of a difference the sound quality is over average > turntables. Speed stability was one of the few adavntages of the compact > disk. But speed constancy is the hall mark of well designed DD. >From that respect, DD is inherently far superior to either belt or idler drives. The ReVox is as solid as a rock. > As for Ron's question "What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > do you have in mind?" > > Here is the Nak content find a dragon turntable that automatically centers > the record. the reduction in wow and flutter is amazing and the sound > quality takes on a solidity that other record players can't match. not the > perfect table but one > that will make you notice what effect subtle changes in design will make. Never auditioned the Dragon TT, but (again) I can vouch for the reVox rock solid sound. I have verified this both with piano sound (very revealing) and with test records. In DD, there is no flutter from the drive system itself unlike belt or idler drive). However, a fair amount can still be contributed by the platter bearing (of course, this is true for all drive systems). I imagine center hole correction would work well for off-centered records. I am not sure how many of those are around (I have approximately 750 LPs -- off hand, can't recall any of them being off center. If I had one, I would toss it). In any case, this source of wow would be identical in any of the drive methods. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Fri Mar 30 00:10:54 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:10:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <003701c0b89d$20ec30a0$d502efd1@kevinrog> Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 Teac V8000S and V-8030 Luxman K-03 Aiwa XKS9000 Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at Stager.com Fri Mar 30 00:19:17 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:19:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TUNERS Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010329171556.00c0a2c0@mail.verizon.net> Steve aligned my MR-71 about three years ago. Still sounds wonderful. I used to own a Marantz FM-10R (rack mount version) and it sounded magnificent. But it was more finicky than the Mac and required much more attention. Tom Cadawas aligned it and I don't really know which I prefer, that or the MR-71. I did like that scope on the 10B. As to the that Tandberg 3001A, I know someone who had that tuner, then sold it after he bought an old but well maintained Fisher 200B, He was surprised at how much nicer that Fisher sounded. The Tandberg was working fine, and sounded pretty good, and its owner claimed it was the best tuner money can buy. Welllll... In New York City there are two powerhouse stations: CBS-FM at 101.1 and "CD 101" at 101.9. Both of these put out the kind of signal you don't even need an antenna to pull in. Right between them is a relatively weak station from way out in New Jersey: 101.5 . Mike, the owner of that 3001 came over and I tuned in that Jersey station - this was a couple of weeks after I had gotten my MR-71 back from Steve. The Mac, with a little adjustment of the rabbit ears, picked up that Jersey station with no problem. Quiet in mono, noisy in stereo but it did come in in stereo with good separation. We went back to Mike's place and he said if I had no trouble picking up 101.5 with my old MR71it would be a breeze for his Tandberg. I bet him a dinner at Jackson Hole (fabulous upper west side burger emporium) that that Tanberg didin't even know that station existed. This poor guy did everything possible to tune it in, he was going nuts trying to get his Parsec antenna to pull in that station. I really enjoyed that huge, juicy cheddar cheese burger and DosX beer. That incredible McIntosh tuner still gets that station without drawing a sweat. A tribute to the quality of the tuner and to Steve Sank's electronic skill. I have it on that station now. Incidentally, a good tuner is not enough to get a good FM sound. Signals are so compressed by broadcasters that the dynamic range is next to non-existent. I pass the FM signal through a Phase Linear 1000 expander and it really brings the music back to life. Not the exact dynamics the music started out with because the compression techniques of each station are all different, but a reasonable approximation and absolutely, positively better than an unprocessed signal. ____________________________ Marc Stager ---------------------------------------------- Stephen Sank: >You refer to the Tandberg 3001A. I've worked on (yes, I specialise in >Tandberg, too) & listened to lots of them & never got the appeal or them. >Drastically over-complicated MPX circuit & a very dry sound, to my ears. >Reliability is less than it should be, too. > >... But for sonics, in my opinion the best in the world, in descending >order are the (all tube except as noted) McIntosh MR71 (especially with >some modding by me), Marantz 10B (far more expensive than the MR71 >for no good reason), McIntosh MR67, MX110 (tuner/preamp), >MR65B, MR80 (digital SS), MR78(ss), a well-tweaked Dynaco FM-3, >Scott 350, Nak ST-7, Yamaha T80/85, followed by just about any other >tube tuner post-1960 & then just about any other ss tuner falls under them > As you can see, I am very partial to tube tuners, but mainly due to their >multiplex & output circuits. My ideal tuner would be an MR80 with an >MR71 mpx & output section. Someday, maybe I'll build one. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Mar 30 02:39:07 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:39:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <27.131ea30b.27f4dc54@aol.com> <04b201c0b886$e63782e0$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AC3D5AA.4C72DDD4@telcel.net.ve> I really can't be very accurate about this topic since I have only owned Thorens turntables which I sold 8 or 7 yeras ago and bought a beautiful Technics SP-10MKIII which is amazing...If I have to compare it with the Thorens I had before this one is better both in sound and construction...it is built as a rock and I aven't had to do any kind of service to it. Isy Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > > Without even getting into Sota, Oracle, VPI, Linn, and the other elite > > turntables. You could get a VPI Jr. or a Rega, or an AR ES-1 and i > would > > rank them all above the DD Tables, like the Nakamichi, Technics......and > so > > on. That is just my opinion, i dont really care about the numbers either. > > R.J. > Have you actually compared a Nak Dragon to a AR ES-1 or a vpi jr? > there's no way they beat the dragon, technics maybe but I doubt a properly > set up sp10 would sound worse than the above. > BTW since we are talking about this > HW of VPI has stated that he thinks the reason for DD low sound quality was > the weight of the platter and suggested that replacing a denon direct drive > turntables plater with say a TNT plater would greatly increase the sound and > bring with it the speed stability that belt drives lack. > unfortunately they don't make the motors any more. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Fri Mar 30 03:05:48 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:05:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <6b.11f1ccc2.27f535ec@aol.com> Harry has the bucks, why dont he make a DD VPI then??? R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 03:17:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:17:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? References: Message-ID: <01e601c0b8b7$36482e80$833442cf@sank1> That was a 630 tuner/preamp. A very cool piece from the late '70's. Love the feel of the tuning dial, and it's looks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Penry" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? > I was at an Amateur Radio swap meet the other day and caught a glimpse of > what looked like a Nakamichi box that may have been an FM tuner. It was > about 8 inches wide, 11 inches tall and maybe 4 inches deep, with a very > large, round tuning dial on the front (top) of the unit. The dial may have > been 5 or 6 inches in diameter. The front panel appeared to be on the top > of the unit which would be the 8 inch by 11 inch dimension. I was going to > go back to take a closer look but I got distracted and never made it back. > > Any ideas as to what I thought I saw? > > > Thanks, > > Charles > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 03:28:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:28:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> <04aa01c0b886$3e666400$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AC39CB3.89C2D6A6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01ee01c0b8b8$aaf8cfe0$833442cf@sank1> Having "lived" with a DragonCT turntable for several years in the showroom where I worked then, I can tell you that you have many more records than you'd think with off-center pressing. On average, about 1 of 10 records I'd demo would have no correction needed. And even with those that needed so little correction that I could barely detected the plunger moving the upper glass platter, the difference in stable center image & overall sound quality was pretty darned pronounced. Just think about, say, a 1/4mm of eccentricity & the effect it has on the stylus in the groove. Very pronounced shifting of the left/right contact area. I certainly agree that DD has no inherent inferiority to belt drive. To my thinking, platter bearing, platter mass & platter resonance are the most important factors. I don't give a damn whether it's DD or belt, as long as it has a really massive platter that goes "thud" when you "gong" it, and a precisely machined bearing. On the Revox tt's, I can't get past that stubby little tone arm. The slightest record warp causes major shifting of the VTA. And another thing: RCA invented that tonearm system in the 1950's. I have maybe the one & only example of it in my posession. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Warren wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:43 PM > > > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these > > > specs is more or less the threshold perception of the > > > average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed > > > (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed > > > accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long > > > as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive > > > method is immaterial. > > > > > > What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > do you have in mind? > > > > > > -- Ron > > I was going to stay out of this but.... and it is Nak related as you will > > see > > First the dd vs belt drive debate is more complicated than Ron states > > because > > you have to look at turntables as a system and there a very few good DD > > turntables compared to belt drive. Namely a couple of goldmunds the latest > > rockport which although direct drive is a little more complicated than > > simply a motor with a plater on top of it and a few micro seki's vs the > > Michels Vpi's Basis Goldmund references and many more for belt drive. > > Actually, DD is pretty simplistic. In some implementations > it isn't even 'a motor with a platter on top of it' but just > a platter with coils embedded in it, riding on top of even > more coils. > > BTW, You neglected to mention the ReVox series of TTs, all > of which are DD. > > > So which is better? it depends but in less than rarefied air, price wise, > > beltdrives perform better sonically. > > > > As for speed unless you have heard say the rockport siruss3 or another table > > like the goldmund reference with absolute speed stability you can't > > understand how much of a difference the sound quality is over average > > turntables. Speed stability was one of the few adavntages of the compact > > disk. > > But speed constancy is the hall mark of well designed DD. > From that respect, DD is inherently far superior to > either belt or idler drives. The ReVox is as solid as a > rock. > > > As for Ron's question "What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > do you have in mind?" > > > > Here is the Nak content find a dragon turntable that automatically centers > > the record. the reduction in wow and flutter is amazing and the sound > > quality takes on a solidity that other record players can't match. not the > > perfect table but one > > that will make you notice what effect subtle changes in design will make. > > Never auditioned the Dragon TT, but (again) I can vouch > for the reVox rock solid sound. I have verified this > both with piano sound (very revealing) and with test > records. > > In DD, there is no flutter from the drive system itself > unlike belt or idler drive). However, a fair amount can > still be contributed by the platter bearing (of course, > this is true for all drive systems). > > I imagine center hole correction would work well for > off-centered records. I am not sure how many of those are > around (I have approximately 750 LPs -- off hand, can't > recall any of them being off center. If I had one, I > would toss it). In any case, this source of wow would > be identical in any of the drive methods. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 03:30:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:30:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <003701c0b89d$20ec30a0$d502efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <01f701c0b8b9$06ce0740$833442cf@sank1> Hi, Kevin. The words "snowball's chance in hell" immediately came to mind in reading your request. Akai-specific items are strictly the realm of former dealers that squirreled away such things back then. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 Teac V8000S and V-8030 Luxman K-03 Aiwa XKS9000 Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 04:13:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:13:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <002e01c0b7b0$d5dafe80$833442cf@sank1> <013901c0b7b8$193d3100$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <009501c0b7ba$a6710a40$833442cf@sank1> <000b01c0b878$92ccb750$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <028101c0b8be$fee39a80$833442cf@sank1> That does sound like it could be the back tension device, although it ain't ringing any bells in my head as to specifically what kind of device it is. If there is a trimpot within an inch or so radius of where the wires go to, it's a likely candidate. If there is no pot, then the adjustment could be simply the spring tension on the sensing guide arm. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > Off Topic. > ............................................................................ > .................... > > Stephen and others, > > Left reel motor, only, has what looks like another little motor (brake?) on > opposite end of shaft from brake. So looking from behind tape from front we > have a motor spindle with brake drum, brake band and solenoid then at the > back of the same reel motor is another unit attached on the same motor > spindle. Two wires, red & white with a black coming from somewhere else > leave this device and go to the swing down motherboard pins at 58, 59 & 60. > So I assume that somewhere near these should be perhaps an adjustment pot. > or would this be a fixed value some place that adjusts tape back tension? > > Another Naktalk member has been very kind and is going to send me a Service > Manual for a Sony TC-765 machine which hopefully has the same back tension > configuration. > > Klaus Fendt was also good enough to point me at www.schaltungsdienst.de > which actually has the manual available but I haven't figured out yet if > it's buyable in English. > > I would very much like to get this deck back in shape as it's built like a > tank and nothing on it relies on flimsy construction. The 2 / 4 track > playback head switching is also a nice feature that I wish other makers had > incorporated. > > The saga continues................... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > Most likely a band brake, but could be a simple pad on a pressure arm or > > etc. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > Good thinking. > > > > > > There is a band brake and drum but that would not be used, right? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a > suggestion. > > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > > years. > > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > > are > > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service > Co., > > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > > In > > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that > come > > > to > > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or > a > > > copy > > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > > tension > > > > system. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > > ........................... > > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > > cassettes > > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed > reel > > > back > > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but > cannot > > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left > reel > > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or > so. > > > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or > a > > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Mar 30 04:45:55 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:45:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <3AC3F362.B43DE638@snet.net> For what it's worth, Jeff Galin at ESL in Connecticut does have a fair amount of experience with these units... Of course, the last time I checked the WM-D6 was still currently in production. They are indeed a fine sounding deck that really only fall short with respect to having only one meter and being VERY fragile. Ed Roland Alford wrote: > The Sony professional walkman is an excellent piece of equipment, I have one > and love it, especially for on the road recordings when lugging your Nak > along just isn't practical! I have had a lesser walkman "fixed" by an > "authorized service center" but it was never the same. It's understandable > that the repair shops smile when you ask about fixing them, they probably > are all too scared to even try as the parts are all so small and tightly > packed together! It's almost like micro-surgery. > > Judging from the price of labor these days, it may not even be cost > effective to try and fix this, especially considering the frustration to get > it back and it's still not the way it was. Maybe you should check out E-bay > since I have seen a WM-D6C go for as little as $120 in the not too distant > past. Then keep yours for parts for the future should that prove practical. > > Just a thought... > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Mar 30 05:34:47 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:04:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2, a pretty technical question Message-ID: <20010330033447.373D91DFB69@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Mar 30 05:38:42 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:08:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <20010330033842.A347A1DFB31@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From britri at pacbell.net Fri Mar 30 08:13:27 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:13:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? References: Message-ID: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> you saw a very cool looking NAK tuner, that is from a series that I always admired aesthetically. Stephem and the other pros would be able to respond to its performance, but it reminds me of a Todd Rundgren album cover where the whole series of that vernacular were shown on a rack with casters in a kind of a music room. The decadence of the late 70's, early 80's permeated in nak, B & O and other architecturally beautiful (Eames chair) kinda stuff. Having gone way off topic here, I will veer back on track. Born in 1961, and soon a lover of the avant garde, I can say this: Do you guys recall how "special" everything one chose to acquire was? A watch was an investment, furniture was built with quality and was what most buyers looked for. And a HIFI and the record--If you wanted great music in your home, you had to go out and get something like a Fisher 500c, some AR2's and a great turntable, set it up and care for it with pride. Now you got crappy wallmart boomboxes and modular stereos with tons of led's flowing to garbage like Britaney Spearfish and rap or hiphop "enjoyed" in cheap apartments fueled by AFDC, food stamps, universal lifeline telephones and subsidized utilities and whatever other entitlement one can get one's paws around dispensed from "created and marketed musicians like M&M. Should I send this? Oh well, here goes Brian Charles Penry wrote: > > > I was at an Amateur Radio swap meet the other day and caught a glimpse > of what looked like a Nakamichi box that may have been an FM tuner. > It was about 8 inches wide, 11 inches tall and maybe 4 inches deep, > with a very large, round tuning dial on the front (top) of the unit. > The dial may have been 5 or 6 inches in diameter. The front panel > appeared to be on the top of the unit which would be the 8 inch by 11 > inch dimension. I was going to go back to take a closer look but I > got distracted and never made it back. > > Any ideas as to what I thought I saw? > > Thanks, > > Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Fri Mar 30 08:20:30 2001 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:20:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AKAI parts... Message-ID: <200103300120_MC2-CAA0-5A90@compuserve.com> Hi Kevin, Here is the parts supplier for AKAI in California. This may not be valid anymore, since it was 1997 when I last contacted them: Hi Quality Int'l 602 Rockefeller ave. Ontario, CA 91761 909-605-6990 909-605-9864 Also in Japan: Service section, Audio Marketing dept. AKAI ELECTRIC CO, LTD. P.O.Box 21, Tokyo Airport, 144 JAPAN tel: 81-3-3745-9648 fax: 81-3-3741-1248 good luck, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 Teac V8000S and V-8030 Luxman K-03 Aiwa XKS9000 Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Mar 30 08:52:03 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:52:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] AKAI parts... In-Reply-To: <200103300120_MC2-CAA0-5A90@compuserve.com> Message-ID: AKAI has disappeared. Don't even hope you'll find them, they went bankrupt a few months ago, and they ain't coming back. They actually pulled out of Canada in the 1980's, so finding anything by them has not been easy for awhile here, but now it's a worldwide situation. Granted there may be someone who is holding a supply of used parts but I've searched without success. My recommendation to anyone who has an AKAI unit of any kind that they want to keep using into the foreseeable future: Look for one or maybe even two used units on E-bay or similar auction sites and grab 'em for spare parts. This may be your only hope. I pity those people on E-bay who are spending $600 or $700 to get a lovely looking GX-747 open reel deck only to find that they need new pinch rollers or belts! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Mar 30 09:02:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:02:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: <002501c0b887$284ffb80$87e61d3f@Marc> Message-ID: <3AC42F5E.46519EC9@pacbell.net> I Agree with marc that there are much better field recorders, but the prowalkman was easy to use and I never used it for anything but playing other tapes thru headphones (was a decadent walkman for it's time) and sometimes used it as a source for plugging in2 existig systems. man, did it blow the other sources away for playback quality BTW, I have a nice supercsope recorder model cd-320 with manual and schematics. carries its own batteries and has amplified spkr outs, line and mic 1/4, in and pre out +++, ITS OWN 3 INCH BUILT IN MONITOR SPEAKER marc wrote: > I might have an owner's manual for the D6. Would that help at all? > I'll also suggest that if you're looking for a nice on-location deck, it's > hard to beat the Sony TCD5m or D5 Pro II (the ProII has XLR mic inputs > instead of 1/4" jacks) > I've used both extensively and can't say enough good things about them. > Marc > HZL88 at msn.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barking" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:32 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > > > > > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to > stop > > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend > and > > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > > functions ! > > > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff > and > > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > > replace it ? > > > > Yours in Silence > > Jim > > > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Mar 30 09:16:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:16:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] NAK wireless remote Message-ID: I didn't know NAK made a unit like this. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1225995145 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 09:54:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:54:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> You are speaking of the same 630 tuner preamp, in the "System One" rack configuration, with the 600 deck, 620 power amp, and often the semi-redundant 610 preamp/mixer. Positively one of the coolest looking systems of the late '70's. One sold on ebay a couple of weeks ago. Sort of following your subject- Being the son of an RCA engineer, I was fortunate enough to put together, for relatively zero money, my first system at age 11, consisting of a pair of RCA SP-10 mono 10watt tube amps(wonderfully constructed), an IC phono stage & passive preamp(I think I may have invented this concept) unit that I built myself, a tube Harman Kardon tuner, a Garrard AT-6 turntable w/Shure M44 cartridge, and a pair of 8" Dukane full-range speaker drivers, all mounted in a six foot high steel relay rack. Kicked ass compared to all the other kids' stereo systems. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? > you saw a very cool looking NAK tuner, that is from a series that I > always admired aesthetically. Stephem and the other pros would be able > to respond to its performance, but it reminds me of a Todd Rundgren > album cover where the whole series of that vernacular were shown on a > rack with casters in a kind of a music room. The decadence of the late > 70's, early 80's permeated in nak, B & O and other architecturally > beautiful (Eames chair) kinda stuff. > > Having gone way off topic here, I will veer back on track. Born in > 1961, and soon a lover of the avant garde, I can say this: > > Do you guys recall how "special" everything one chose to acquire was? A > watch was an investment, furniture was built with quality and was what > most buyers looked for. And a HIFI and the record--If you wanted great > music in your home, you had to go out and get something like a Fisher > 500c, some AR2's and a great turntable, set it up and care for it with > pride. Now you got crappy wallmart boomboxes and modular stereos with > tons of led's flowing to garbage like Britaney Spearfish and rap or > hiphop "enjoyed" in cheap apartments fueled by AFDC, food stamps, > universal lifeline telephones and subsidized utilities and whatever > other entitlement one can get one's paws around dispensed from "created > and marketed musicians like M&M. > > Should I send this? Oh well, here goes > > Brian > > Charles Penry wrote: > > > > > > > I was at an Amateur Radio swap meet the other day and caught a glimpse > > of what looked like a Nakamichi box that may have been an FM tuner. > > It was about 8 inches wide, 11 inches tall and maybe 4 inches deep, > > with a very large, round tuning dial on the front (top) of the unit. > > The dial may have been 5 or 6 inches in diameter. The front panel > > appeared to be on the top of the unit which would be the 8 inch by 11 > > inch dimension. I was going to go back to take a closer look but I > > got distracted and never made it back. > > > > Any ideas as to what I thought I saw? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charles > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 30 10:54:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:54:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi back-hoe truck? Message-ID: <00ac01c0b8f7$033f8020$323442cf@sank1> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=574897925 Gotta love it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 12:12:03 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (salim marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:12:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Manual Vendor Message-ID: <20010330101203.87891.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Klaus, long time no hear ! I can't get in touch with schaltungdienst lately, do you know if there's any problem with them ? I also don't get any reply from my contact person Herr H. Jaghzies, which is very unlikely of him ! I still have a sony (blush) manual with them and about to buy a pioneer (more blush) manual. For those interested (if the firm still around) go to : http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/de/frameset.html click "katalog" on the left pane, put your model number (TC7662) on field "modell" and the first two alphabet on field "hersteller" (SO), and you'll have the item manual number, John's SOny is number 1169981 and I believe most manuals are available in English version (even other lang). The reason I still have a Sony manual with them is that they inadvertently sent me a sony manual ... in Japanese ! Best regards, Salim SM (nakmania at yahoo.com) :-) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:04:05 +0200 From: "Klaus Fendt" Subject: [naktalk] Tony TC-766-2 John, here in Germany there is a possibility getting service manuals. Try http://www.schaltungsdienst.de If you have problems translating the german site (not sure whether there is an english one) feel free to ask me for help. Normally these manuals cost about 10U$ without any shipping costs Regards Klaus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Fri Mar 30 12:25:56 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:25:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Vendor Message-ID: <200103301025.f2UAPuN32472@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Salim, It's a little difficult writeing mails to the list because it seems that mails from my office account (where I get the group mails delivered to) are not accepted so I have to activate my web mail client to write. A few days ago I contacted "schaltungsdienst.de" by web, by mail and by phone and didn't discover any problems: I asked for a special offer of about 12 manuals and the next day I got the offer by eMail. I phoned there to ask a special question and they told me that the manuals will reach me at the end of next week or something. So I can't explain your problems - did you try to eMail them (mailto:info at schaltungsdienst.de)? Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, Fax, SMS, Verschlusselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Fri Mar 30 13:04:08 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:04:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] AKAI parts... Message-ID: <22.14002d6f.27f5c228@aol.com> Big Deal.....Pinch Rollers are easily Rebuilt to New Specifications from Russell Industries, formerly PRB Line. They charge $29.00 to rebuild any pinch roller with new rubber to Original Specs. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Mar 30 15:20:37 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:20:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AKAI parts... References: <22.14002d6f.27f5c228@aol.com> Message-ID: <007b01c0b91c$362dfbe0$bb496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Wow! Now that's information worth keeping. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] AKAI parts... > Big Deal.....Pinch Rollers are easily Rebuilt to New Specifications from > Russell Industries, formerly PRB Line. They charge $29.00 to rebuild any > pinch roller with new rubber to Original Specs. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Fri Mar 30 15:46:47 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:46:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] AKAI parts... Message-ID: <80.8ec0cc2.27f5e847@aol.com> www.russellind.com any pinch roller will be redone to factory specs. and also, they will replace any belt to a factory spec belt. They are for all your rubber needs. They also make a very good rubber cleaner/rejuvenator for pinch rollers. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 17:27:04 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:27:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Vendor References: <200103301025.f2UAPuN32472@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <002e01c0b92d$e2929ce0$cb299bca@smarzuki> Klaus, Yes, email is my only way of communication to germany. :-) Three emails 3/17, 3/24 & 3/28 went unanswered where usually he'll come back in less than 12 hrs ! The 3rd one already cc:ed to info at schaltungs.. still no reply, I'll write again tonight. Thanks for the info ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Fendt" To: "nak" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] Manual Vendor > Salim, > > It's a little difficult writeing mails to the list because it seems that mails from my office account (where I get the group mails delivered to) are not accepted so I have to activate my web mail client to write. > > A few days ago I contacted "schaltungsdienst.de" by web, by mail and by phone and didn't discover any problems: I asked for a special offer of about 12 manuals and the next day I got the offer by eMail. I phoned there to ask a special question and they told me that the manuals will reach me at the end of next week or something. > > So I can't explain your problems - did you try to eMail them (mailto:info at schaltungsdienst.de)? > > Regards > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Die Fachpresse ist sich einig: WEB.DE 20mal Testsieger! Kostenlos E-Mail, > Fax, SMS, Verschlusselung, POP3, WAP....testen Sie uns! http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Mar 30 19:09:46 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:09:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC4BDDA.A0E1AEF6@pacbell.net> How cool, Stephen. I started out with a heathkit 10wpc tube int/amp, a big 15" single driver folded horn made by RCA, I think, and finally a pair of ads L200C's to provide stereo listening with a big womp from the folded horn . I mostly used my dad's fisher 500c and a pair of ADC brentwoods and the AR turntable with 1 control--a slider on/off switch with a shure cart. still have the 500c if anybody wants it. It was trashed during my recent intrusion/theft/vandalism. A couple of bakelite like knobs broke but it still plays like a champ if anybody is interested I will let it go cheap. It would be a nice mate to another non-working but VGC 500c. This thread is much more fun than the interconnect battle. anybody else care to elaborate on their first system that probably inspired them to love and appreciate hifi? Sincerely, Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > You are speaking of the same 630 tuner preamp, in the "System One" rack > configuration, with the 600 deck, 620 power amp, and often the > semi-redundant 610 preamp/mixer. Positively one of the coolest looking > systems of the late '70's. One sold on ebay a couple of weeks ago. > > Sort of following your subject- Being the son of an RCA engineer, I was > fortunate enough to put together, for relatively zero money, my first system > at age 11, consisting of a pair of RCA SP-10 mono 10watt tube > amps(wonderfully constructed), an IC phono stage & passive preamp(I think I > may have invented this concept) unit that I built myself, a tube Harman > Kardon tuner, a Garrard AT-6 turntable w/Shure M44 cartridge, and a pair of > 8" Dukane full-range speaker drivers, all mounted in a six foot high steel > relay rack. Kicked ass compared to all the other kids' stereo systems. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK FM Tuner? > > > you saw a very cool looking NAK tuner, that is from a series that I > > always admired aesthetically. Stephem and the other pros would be able > > to respond to its performance, but it reminds me of a Todd Rundgren > > album cover where the whole series of that vernacular were shown on a > > rack with casters in a kind of a music room. The decadence of the late > > 70's, early 80's permeated in nak, B & O and other architecturally > > beautiful (Eames chair) kinda stuff. > > > > Having gone way off topic here, I will veer back on track. Born in > > 1961, and soon a lover of the avant garde, I can say this: > > > > Do you guys recall how "special" everything one chose to acquire was? A > > watch was an investment, furniture was built with quality and was what > > most buyers looked for. And a HIFI and the record--If you wanted great > > music in your home, you had to go out and get something like a Fisher > > 500c, some AR2's and a great turntable, set it up and care for it with > > pride. Now you got crappy wallmart boomboxes and modular stereos with > > tons of led's flowing to garbage like Britaney Spearfish and rap or > > hiphop "enjoyed" in cheap apartments fueled by AFDC, food stamps, > > universal lifeline telephones and subsidized utilities and whatever > > other entitlement one can get one's paws around dispensed from "created > > and marketed musicians like M&M. > > > > Should I send this? Oh well, here goes > > > > Brian > > > > Charles Penry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was at an Amateur Radio swap meet the other day and caught a glimpse > > > of what looked like a Nakamichi box that may have been an FM tuner. > > > It was about 8 inches wide, 11 inches tall and maybe 4 inches deep, > > > with a very large, round tuning dial on the front (top) of the unit. > > > The dial may have been 5 or 6 inches in diameter. The front panel > > > appeared to be on the top of the unit which would be the 8 inch by 11 > > > inch dimension. I was going to go back to take a closer look but I > > > got distracted and never made it back. > > > > > > Any ideas as to what I thought I saw? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Charles > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 30 22:15:59 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:15:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: <3AC42F5E.46519EC9@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Shame no-one has a manual but I will try those leads... It really was still an amazing sounding deck, and what I really want to do is fix the one problem and prevent any others. I'm not afraid to do the work - just need schematics and perhaps service docs to make sure its done to the book. I'd consider buying another one but most are either dog-eared or in the US which prevents an audition (essential !). Anyway - I'd only want to tweak that one! As to other models, nothing comes close to my ears for size and convenience, though I occasionally use a minidisc recorder for concerts (very easy to hide) or dat for very long live recordings. Neither has the warmth or realism. It will get repaired - and auditioned properly against the Nak when in top fettle. Thanks everyone JIM p.s. I have an owners manual but its not really helpfull. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: 30 March 2001 08:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C I Agree with marc that there are much better field recorders, but the prowalkman was easy to use and I never used it for anything but playing other tapes thru headphones (was a decadent walkman for it's time) and sometimes used it as a source for plugging in2 existig systems. man, did it blow the other sources away for playback quality BTW, I have a nice supercsope recorder model cd-320 with manual and schematics. carries its own batteries and has amplified spkr outs, line and mic 1/4, in and pre out +++, ITS OWN 3 INCH BUILT IN MONITOR SPEAKER marc wrote: > I might have an owner's manual for the D6. Would that help at all? > I'll also suggest that if you're looking for a nice on-location deck, it's > hard to beat the Sony TCD5m or D5 Pro II (the ProII has XLR mic inputs > instead of 1/4" jacks) > I've used both extensively and can't say enough good things about them. > Marc > HZL88 at msn.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barking" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:32 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > > > > > Only recently bought a Nak to complement my turntable and little used cd > > player, excellent sound but now I have another problem. > > > > My portable recorder of choice, an elderly Sony pro-walkman decided to > stop > > recording on one channel. Bravely I removed the casing of my old friend > and > > found 3 wires had become detached, at least I think they were detached > > before I took the lid off - It doesn't appear to have lost any other > > functions ! > > > > Inside I also noticed that the mechanism has accumulated a lot of fluff > and > > the lube looks well past its sell by date. > > Sony UK say that its too old to repair and don't have a manual and all my > > local repair shops just grin when I mention having an 'old walkman' fixed. > > > > Any of you analogue tape fans have a wiring diagram or workshop manual - > > I've tried everywhere and here in the UK there isn't really anything to > > replace it ? > > > > Yours in Silence > > Jim > > > > Barking at ntlworld.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Mar 30 23:15:40 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:15:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, I just talked with SONY Canada near Toronto, and they said the service manual for the WM-D6C is available. Here is the part number: 995138511 They didn't have stock of it in Toronto, but it can be ordered from the SONY USA for about $35.00 Canadian, or about $22.00 US. (That was the service rep's price she mentioned, although I'd have to order it through a dealer here in Vancouver.) Maybe someone in the USA in our group would be willing to order it for you and forward it to you if you are willing to cover the costs. If you are able to do the work yourself, this may be a good option. If you can't get a US contact, let me know and I'll do it for you. Roland Alford West Vancouver, BC Canada ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Fri Mar 30 23:54:05 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:54:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330164722.00c129c0@mail.verizon.net> Much cheaper than $22. You can get it directly from Sony. Call 800-488-7669 (wait for the automated operator for the extension) Cost: $12 plus $3.50 postage plus tax. for part # 995138511. Put it on your credit card over the phone. - I just ordered a service manual for my TDC-5M cassette portable (same price). __________________________ Marc Stager At 3/30/01, you wrote: >Jim, > >I just talked with SONY Canada near Toronto, and they said the service >manual for the WM-D6C is available. > >Here is the part number: 995138511 > >They didn't have stock of it in Toronto, but it can be ordered from the SONY >USA for about $35.00 Canadian, or about $22.00 US. (That was the service >rep's price she mentioned, although I'd have to order it through a dealer >here in Vancouver.) Maybe someone in the USA in our group would be willing >to order it for you and forward it to you if you are willing to cover the >costs. If you are able to do the work yourself, this may be a good option. > >If you can't get a US contact, let me know and I'll do it for you. > >Roland Alford >West Vancouver, BC >Canada ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Mar 31 01:41:30 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:41:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <20010330033842.A347A1DFB31@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <004d01c0b972$f309f420$3105efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hi Kannan. I rate them as follows: Recording. 1. Tandberg 3014A/Nakamichi CR-7A 2. Revox B-215 3. Nakamichi Dragon 4. Aiwa XKS9000 5. Teac V-8000S/V8030S Playback 1. Nakamichi Dragon. 2. Nakamichi CR7A/Tandberg 3014A 3. Revox B215 4. Aiwa XKS9000 5. Teac V800S/V8030S Before I had my Nakamichi's "sanktified" I would have prefered the Tandberg 3014A for recording over the CR-7A. I have a soft spot ( perhaps in my head) for Tandbergs, having owned a 310II, 2 330s, 440, 3014 and 3014A, not to mention the reels that I presently own: Tandberg 20ASE, 20A, 10XD (2) , 10X Revox B-77II Technics 1700 (2), 1500, 1520 Teac X-7RII I haven't had a chance to play with the Luxman K-03 or the Akai GX-95 yet. Kevin > Hello Kevin > How do you rate AIWA XKS9000 and Teac vis a vis NAk or Revox in your setup? > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:36 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > > Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. > > Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 > Tandberg 3014A > Revox B-215 > Teac V8000S and V-8030 > Luxman K-03 > Aiwa XKS9000 > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 03:37:08 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:37:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <9d.135e2e04.27f68ec4@aol.com> How do you like the Technics Reel machines? R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sat Mar 31 04:00:52 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:00:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330164722.00c129c0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Price sounds good, Problem is Marc, sometimes companies will only ship inside of their own country and not internationally, such as to the UK. For example, if you are in the USA, you can't order from TEAC Canada without a Canadian address, and likewise for me, I can't order from TEAC USA without a US address. Also, you can't dial 800 numbers from England. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 31 04:23:55 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:23:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C References: Message-ID: <001601c0b989$a30e10c0$b5496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Hey! limey spoken here, I'm originally from Bucks. Can I get this for you and send it on? You can pay costs with dollars or pounds, your choice. I have an almost virgin WMD6C myself. Cheers, John Delaware, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony WMD6C > Price sounds good, Problem is Marc, sometimes companies will only ship > inside of their own country and not internationally, such as to the UK. For > example, if you are in the USA, you can't order from TEAC Canada without a > Canadian address, and likewise for me, I can't order from TEAC USA without a > US address. > > Also, you can't dial 800 numbers from England. > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Mar 31 06:07:57 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:07:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <9d.135e2e04.27f68ec4@aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01c0b998$2c195880$5305efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck I really like the Technics Reel machines (although I hate Technics as a Company - worst service and parts availability and attitude) The Technics have the best transport going/ However, I think that the Tandberg and Revox machines sound better. Kevin > How do you like the Technics Reel machines? R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Mar 31 06:30:50 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:30:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <9d.135e2e04.27f68ec4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC55D7A.30AB0E14@telcel.net.ve> I have to say that I love them. Actually I own a Technics 1700 which was from my father and works perfectly even though I have to say that I don't use it too much. It is built like a tank and the sound is very natural. Isy Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > How do you like the Technics Reel machines? R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Mar 31 07:40:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:10:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <20010331054038.87EA01DFB37@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 31 08:44:28 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:44:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <20010330033842.A347A1DFB31@webmail.vsnl.com> <004d01c0b972$f309f420$3105efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <007301c0b9ae$0902cb40$99232ac4@coqui.net> Very nice, here in my studios at home I can only rate what I have on hand right now but ... For recording: 1- Revox B-215 : when perfectly aligned nothing beats this machine. Anything you record there sounds great anywhere and it's very flat and natural 2- Tandberg 3014 A: it's very similar to the Revoxes' and with its azymuth fine tuning can surprise anyone. When I play my tapes in the car people swear it's a CD ... 3- Nakamichi 700 ZXL: very sweet with those extended highs that make Nakamichi a famous machine. A little bit lean for my taste ... For Playback: 1- The Dragon 2- The Revox when the tape was recorded in it. Other notes : Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: excellent for everything if you can keep her running in optimus condition ... Believe it or not, my little Nak 500 always surprised me a lot for recording purposes. The 700 II is also a good machine if you maintain her in top condition. On the Open Reel department, well, when you are used to record professionally you learn to stop loosing time and go straight to the Studer stuff. For domestic aplications, the Revox B-77 MK II and the PR 99 Mark iii and period. Of course, I'm speaking of half track 7 1/2 & 15 ips. configurations ! More later ... The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > Hi Kannan. I rate them as follows: > > Recording. > > 1. Tandberg 3014A/Nakamichi CR-7A > 2. Revox B-215 > 3. Nakamichi Dragon > 4. Aiwa XKS9000 > 5. Teac V-8000S/V8030S > > Playback > > 1. Nakamichi Dragon. > 2. Nakamichi CR7A/Tandberg 3014A > 3. Revox B215 > 4. Aiwa XKS9000 > 5. Teac V800S/V8030S > > Before I had my Nakamichi's "sanktified" I would have prefered the Tandberg > 3014A for recording over the CR-7A. I have a soft spot ( perhaps in my head) > for Tandbergs, having owned a 310II, 2 330s, 440, 3014 and 3014A, not to > mention the reels that I presently own: > > Tandberg 20ASE, 20A, 10XD (2) , 10X > Revox B-77II > Technics 1700 (2), 1500, 1520 > Teac X-7RII > > I haven't had a chance to play with the Luxman K-03 or the Akai GX-95 yet. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > Hello Kevin > > How do you rate AIWA XKS9000 and Teac vis a vis NAk or Revox in your > setup? > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Rogers > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:36 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > > > > > Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone > know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai > GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service > manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of > business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way > think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I > wanted to add it to my collection. > > > > Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 > > Tandberg 3014A > > Revox B-215 > > Teac V8000S and V-8030 > > Luxman K-03 > > Aiwa XKS9000 > > > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Mar 31 08:12:51 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:42:51 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Koycera D801 - with Sankyo transport on ebay Message-ID: <20010331061251.832011DFB35@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sat Mar 31 11:14:17 2001 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:14:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <200103310414_MC2-CAC9-1D30@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >In DD, there is no flutter from the drive system itself unlike belt or idler drive). However, a fair amount can still be contributed by the platter bearing (of course, this is true for all drive systems). I imagine center hole correction would work well for off-centered records. I am not sure how many of those are around (I have approximately 750 LPs -- off hand, can't recall any of them being off center. If I had one, I would toss it). In any case, this source of wow would be identical in any of the drive methods. -- Ron< the microphics of the platter and the record itself if it is not properly clamped make a big difference. IOW, a good sorbothane platter mat and clamp make up much of the difference between turntables. as for wow and flutter, the main difference between DD and belt is the spectrum of the wow and flutter. the belt drive units usually require a motor turning at a higher speed and so there tends to be more flutter than a DD. the belt system itself also has a natural resonance frequency that is higher than a DD. a turntable with a 50 or 80 pound platter gives exceptional speed stability, but then you can't clamp the record unless you are willing to wait a long time between each record. placing a 1/3 HP motor to start the turntable and then letting the tiny motor keep it going has all sorts of mechanical problems.. even with these differences, large heavy metallic platters ring unless they have been damped. very few early DD turntables worried about that. few belt turntables treated the platter separately from the mat. the Linns never did over the era that i knew them. DD turntables tend to have more rumble, but that's harder to hear. the electrical match of the cartridge to the preamp is much more important than any of the above. if you are using a MC cartridge, the electrical differences are small, but audible. for a MM system, perfect impedance match is really critical. tiny differences are easily audible, especially in the mid range where the ear is most sensitive to differences. mechanical matching for mass to keep the tonearm/cartridge resonance around 5-8Hz and of low amplitude is also crucial. you get warp-induced flutter in bad cases. the Shure damping system is the best solution i know of to handle this. i still use my V15 Type 4 sometimes, but in terms of sound quality, i always lean toward MC cartridges. my Dynavector Ruby is as exotic as i ever got though. never tried Koetsus when they were king. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 31 11:49:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:49:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <20010331054038.87EA01DFB37@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01f801c0b9c7$d2e000e0$323442cf@sank1> I haven't had a 3014 measure better than 0.025% w/f, which is almost twice that of the Dragon & ZX-9. For pitch stability, the Dragon is so solid that I use (repaired) Dragons to periodically judge the condition of my speed/w&f test tape. Although the ZX-9 has very slightly better w/f, it is standard DD servo, whereas the Dragon is a crystal controlled digital servo. Off hand, I can't think of any other deck with a quartz locked servo. The Revox B215 uses digital circuits in it's servo, but quite crudely, with a non-quartz-controlled, low frequency time base oscillator. W/f is excellent, but speed drift does exist to a small extent. Haven't received Howie's CR-7 yet to try the azimuth control mod. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > Thanks Kevin. I think the robust transport ( more of the huge flywheel) of Tandberg 3014A surely produces the best pitch stability and naturally people enjoy play back. But Dragon autoazimuth( along with same pitch stability of Double DD motor) makes it best for playback of any tape - yesterday I bought prerecorded tape of Steely dan " two against nature" just to listen to the tape on Dragon! Wonderful. > > Stephen > Are you planning to check record / play Frequency response/ wow & flutter measure of Tandberg? I am curious to know it's performance on the bench! > Also have you done anything on CR7' azimuth adjust mod that you promised? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 6:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > > >Hi Kannan. I rate them as follows: > > > >Recording. > > > >1. Tandberg 3014A/Nakamichi CR-7A > >2. Revox B-215 > >3. Nakamichi Dragon > >4. Aiwa XKS9000 > >5. Teac V-8000S/V8030S > > > >Playback > > > >1. Nakamichi Dragon. > >2. Nakamichi CR7A/Tandberg 3014A > >3. Revox B215 > >4. Aiwa XKS9000 > >5. Teac V800S/V8030S > > > >Before I had my Nakamichi's "sanktified" I would have prefered the Tandberg > >3014A for recording over the CR-7A. I have a soft spot ( perhaps in my head) > >for Tandbergs, having owned a 310II, 2 330s, 440, 3014 and 3014A, not to > >mention the reels that I presently own: > > > >Tandberg 20ASE, 20A, 10XD (2) , 10X > >Revox B-77II > >Technics 1700 (2), 1500, 1520 > >Teac X-7RII > > > >I haven't had a chance to play with the Luxman K-03 or the Akai GX-95 yet. > > > >Kevin > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 14:05:30 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:05:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <59.8f738e4.27f7220a@aol.com> I love my Tandberg TD20A, and TD20A SE. Unbeleivable sound. I have had both of them fully modified in New York. One is Half Track, the other Quarter Track. I record from a VPI Mk.IV with a Zeta MkII Tonearm, and Audio Technica OTC-9 also use a Musical Fidelity A3CD for my CDs. You really cant hear any difference from Monitor to Source, on my Tandbergs, or on my Nakamichi RX-505. And speaking of CD sound. I work as a Bench Technician on Car Audio as well. There arent any really good Car Cassette players anymore. You have to go to the 80's to get them with serious frequency response. And that is where i go. On top notch Alpine, with Haltach Heads, or the Nakamichi units, Sound Stream or the 80's, noone can tell that my tapes from my Nak are tapes. All think they are CDs. The sound is that incredible. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 31 15:28:15 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:28:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <59.8f738e4.27f7220a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01c0b9e6$71f879a0$79232ac4@coqui.net> Have to differ here... Just bought a european car, 2001 model and only came with a superb cassette player. No Cd. It comes as an option only. Amazing sound plus it have a 10 speakers Bose system. I enjoy recording at home and listen in the car just as the old days. Never liked the Alpine very much but I loved my Soundstream that later were replaced by a Nakamichi. Yes, you can still find very good cassette players in a car, expensive cars, unfortunately ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > And speaking of CD sound. I work as a Bench Technician on Car > Audio as well. There arent any really good Car Cassette players anymore. > You have to go to the 80's to get them with serious frequency response... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 31 17:39:09 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:39:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <59.8f738e4.27f7220a@aol.com> Message-ID: <006a01c0b9f8$c2774c00$54021fac@brianm> > And speaking of CD sound. I work as a Bench Technician on Car > Audio as well. There arent any really good Car Cassette players anymore. > You have to go to the 80's to get them with serious frequency response. And > that is where i go. On top notch Alpine, with Haltach Heads, or the > Nakamichi units, Sound Stream or the 80's, noone can tell that my tapes from > my Nak are tapes. All think they are CDs. The sound is that incredible. > R.J. Yeah, I have a TD-700 I bought last year but I haven't listened to it, I can't afford amps right now. I would love to hear it! I will probably sell it before I ever hook it up. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 31 17:39:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:39:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> <04aa01c0b886$3e666400$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AC39CB3.89C2D6A6@concentric.net> <01ee01c0b8b8$aaf8cfe0$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC5FA2F.1D802CAC@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Having "lived" with a DragonCT turntable for several years in the showroom > where I worked then, I can tell you that you have many more records than > you'd think with off-center pressing. On average, about 1 of 10 records I'd > demo would have no correction needed. And even with those that needed so > little correction that I could barely detected the plunger moving the upper > glass platter, the difference in stable center image & overall sound quality > was pretty darned pronounced. Just think about, say, a 1/4mm of > eccentricity & the effect it has on the stylus in the groove. Very > pronounced shifting of the left/right contact area. A 1/4 mm off center LP will cause 0.66% wow at the LP's mid point -- around the threshold of audibility. At the run-out groove, it would be over 2% -- very obtrusive. AFAIK, none of my LPs exhibits even close to such wow (I'm certain I'd know if any did) on the ReVox. It's rock solid. An off center record could also add a 0.5Hz (33.33/60) signal with low compliance or over-damped cartridges. But this would surely by filtered out on any reasonable phono preamp stage. In short, I feel that Nakamichi's off-center correction is only beneficial on a small number of LPs that seriously require it. For others, it's one of those high-end frills that I'd love to have, but can live without. > I certainly agree that DD has no inherent inferiority to belt drive. To my > thinking, platter bearing, platter mass & platter resonance are the most > important factors. I don't give a damn whether it's DD or belt, as long as > it has a really massive platter that goes "thud" when you "gong" it, and a > precisely machined bearing. > On the Revox tt's, I can't get past that stubby little tone arm. The > slightest record warp causes major shifting of the VTA. That's true. And, unfortunate. They tried to design a very sophisticated arm, but had trouble damping it sufficiently. As a result, (while it does sound fairly good) it doesn't match the quality of any of several high end arms (my favorite was the SME 3009 on a Garrard 401). IMHO, it does surpass such hallowed models as the Thorens TD126. > And another thing: > RCA invented that tonearm system in the 1950's. I have > maybe the one & only example of it in my posession. I wonder if it sounds better than the ReVox implementation? Some time ago, there was a long discussion in this email list, about the damping characteristics of Sorbothane. At the time, I figured I'd try to improve the ReVox arm by damping it with strips of Sorbothane, lining the sides of the flimsy shell, both inside and out. I even ordered the Sorbothane. It's now stored safely, along with components for the remote control that I was also going to add to the ReVox. (There is a saying where I come from, concerning good plans that never mature). -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:43 PM > > > > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these > > > > specs is more or less the threshold perception of the > > > > average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed > > > > (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed > > > > accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long > > > > as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive > > > > method is immaterial. > > > > > > > > What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > > do you have in mind? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > I was going to stay out of this but.... and it is Nak related as you > will > > > see > > > First the dd vs belt drive debate is more complicated than Ron states > > > because > > > you have to look at turntables as a system and there a very few good DD > > > turntables compared to belt drive. Namely a couple of goldmunds the > latest > > > rockport which although direct drive is a little more complicated than > > > simply a motor with a plater on top of it and a few micro seki's vs the > > > Michels Vpi's Basis Goldmund references and many more for belt drive. > > > > Actually, DD is pretty simplistic. In some implementations > > it isn't even 'a motor with a platter on top of it' but just > > a platter with coils embedded in it, riding on top of even > > more coils. > > > > BTW, You neglected to mention the ReVox series of TTs, all > > of which are DD. > > > > > So which is better? it depends but in less than rarefied air, price > wise, > > > beltdrives perform better sonically. > > > > > > As for speed unless you have heard say the rockport siruss3 or another > table > > > like the goldmund reference with absolute speed stability you can't > > > understand how much of a difference the sound quality is over average > > > turntables. Speed stability was one of the few adavntages of the compact > > > disk. > > > > But speed constancy is the hall mark of well designed DD. > > From that respect, DD is inherently far superior to > > either belt or idler drives. The ReVox is as solid as a > > rock. > > > > > As for Ron's question "What other aspects of how the record is rotated > (in > > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > > do you have in mind?" > > > > > > Here is the Nak content find a dragon turntable that automatically > centers > > > the record. the reduction in wow and flutter is amazing and the sound > > > quality takes on a solidity that other record players can't match. not > the > > > perfect table but one > > > that will make you notice what effect subtle changes in design will > make. > > > > Never auditioned the Dragon TT, but (again) I can vouch > > for the reVox rock solid sound. I have verified this > > both with piano sound (very revealing) and with test > > records. > > > > In DD, there is no flutter from the drive system itself > > unlike belt or idler drive). However, a fair amount can > > still be contributed by the platter bearing (of course, > > this is true for all drive systems). > > > > I imagine center hole correction would work well for > > off-centered records. I am not sure how many of those are > > around (I have approximately 750 LPs -- off hand, can't > > recall any of them being off center. If I had one, I > > would toss it). In any case, this source of wow would > > be identical in any of the drive methods. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 31 17:57:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:57:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] First systems References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> <3AC4BDDA.A0E1AEF6@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC5FE77.C707BD76@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > [.........] > This thread is much more fun than the interconnect battle. > anybody else care to elaborate on their first system that > probably inspired them to love and appreciate hifi? > > Sincerely, > > Brian Stocker First -- I didn't perceive the thread on cables as a battle, more like a discussion. Unlike the outbursts on the Audio NGs, where every controversy becomes a blood bath. My first 'system'... I had just read Fidelman's 'Guide to Audio reproduction' and became curious. I couldn't obtain a magnetic cartridge, so I fitted the best Ronnette ceramic cartridge I could buy to an old Garrard RC-88 changer. I had an old table radio, that I built an amplifier into, using a pair of 6V6s. The combo sounded better than anything I had before, but would be absolutely ludicrous today. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sat Mar 31 18:04:09 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:04:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion Message-ID: <01C0B9D2.505FCBE0@user-2ivfd76.dialup.mindspring.com> Hi all, Does anybody know the current username and password for the ftp site? I have tried naktalk and gearmod but can't get in. Thanks, Stan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2850 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 18:16:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:16:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <9d.135f9cb8.27f75ce7@aol.com> Where do you guys find blank recording media these days for your reel machines? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 18:25:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:25:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <3b.12941654.27f75f14@aol.com> This raises an interesting question I would like to ask the collective group "wisdom" for an answer. I use a cassette adapter to play CD's in my car using my portable CD player. My question is can the cassette adapter "damage" my car tape deck in any way? It fits snugly with the connecting wire extruding out of the faceplate. Just curious and I know someone in this group will know for sure. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 18:35:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:35:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions Message-ID: Hi All, I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and noticed their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols mixed together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the label regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and it worked great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, what is the best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance for an answer. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:40:13 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:40:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Hate to tell ya, but your wrong. I see all the Specs, and we are a National Service Center for just abouut every manufacturer. You may think it sounds good, but maybe your ears are playing tricks on you. All cassette decks are GARBAGE today. Whetther in Lexus, Mercedes, whatever. Beleive me! And if you choose not to, well then, live out your little famtasy. It wont hurt anyone. But truth is, even the rich get ripped off. LOL R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:41:37 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:41:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Trus me, the TD-700 kills anything out there today. And those Bose systems are a Joke. I work on them alot, pure garbage. Riding off a name. Advertising. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:48:26 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:48:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: cmedias.com have all quantegy, at best prices ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:49:28 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:49:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: They cause more problems than they are worth. See them get stuck in units alot. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:51:43 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:51:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions Message-ID: <66.d77dc6a.27f7732f@aol.com> If you dont have really bad tape buildup, and clean your heads regularly, than 99.9% Isopropyl is the best, and safest. There are many Pro cleaners by Chemtronics, and the other big names, which are used for video heads, and can be used very safely on audio heads. But Pure Isopropyl is best, if you clean regularly, and use good quality new tapes. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 31 20:15:46 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:15:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <9d.135f9cb8.27f75ce7@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201c0ba0e$9b7e0650$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> www.tapeworld.com in Butler, PA. Good people. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > Where do you guys find blank recording media these days for your reel > machines? > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 31 21:30:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:30:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <16.aba97ce.27f0f643@aol.com> <3AC23E68.F6A1AD66@concentric.net> <3ac2a37a.7531273@mail.voicenet.com> <3AC37425.81376F23@concentric.net> <04aa01c0b886$3e666400$7ced3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AC39CB3.89C2D6A6@concentric.net> <01ee01c0b8b8$aaf8cfe0$833442cf@sank1> <3AC5FA2F.1D802CAC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <023c01c0ba19$162a6600$323442cf@sank1> Ron, You really need to try out a DragonCT before deciding that it would not be particularly beneficial. Back in my showroom days, I'd demo the Dragon with a $39 Shure(M-95 or something even below that, can't remember) against a very expensive conventional table with a Shure V15V-MR mounted. REGARDLESS of the record, before auto-centering, the Dragon/cheap cart combo would totally lose to the other table/V15 combo. After auto-centering, the $39 Shure on the Dragon would suddenly make the other sound like a cheap cart on a cheap table. Not a subtle difference at all. Seriously! I have no rational reason for it, but the original SME 3009 is still one of my favorite arms. When my dad died two years ago, I inherited his 3009, mounted on an incredible Fairchild 412 table, which also has mounted the equally wonderful RCA BDR-1 broadcast arm that my dad designed, which has an integral V15-II & absolutely no wasted mass or hardware. Elegant as hell. The Fairchild has a custom tube ac servo, for 3 speed operation. So, I have an actual TUBE turntable. The RCA pre-Revox Revox-style arm is certainly no better designed then the Revox. Even taking into account it's '50's design period. Kind of clunky looking, but I sure it would work quite well if I ever rehab'd it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Having "lived" with a DragonCT turntable for several years in the showroom > > where I worked then, I can tell you that you have many more records than > > you'd think with off-center pressing. On average, about 1 of 10 records I'd > > demo would have no correction needed. And even with those that needed so > > little correction that I could barely detected the plunger moving the upper > > glass platter, the difference in stable center image & overall sound quality > > was pretty darned pronounced. Just think about, say, a 1/4mm of > > eccentricity & the effect it has on the stylus in the groove. Very > > pronounced shifting of the left/right contact area. > > A 1/4 mm off center LP will cause 0.66% wow at the > LP's mid point -- around the threshold of audibility. > At the run-out groove, it would be over 2% -- very > obtrusive. AFAIK, none of my LPs exhibits even close > to such wow (I'm certain I'd know if any did) on the > ReVox. It's rock solid. > > An off center record could also add a 0.5Hz (33.33/60) > signal with low compliance or over-damped cartridges. > But this would surely by filtered out on any reasonable > phono preamp stage. > > In short, I feel that Nakamichi's off-center correction > is only beneficial on a small number of LPs that > seriously require it. For others, it's one of those > high-end frills that I'd love to have, but can live > without. > > > I certainly agree that DD has no inherent inferiority to belt drive. To my > > thinking, platter bearing, platter mass & platter resonance are the most > > important factors. I don't give a damn whether it's DD or belt, as long as > > it has a really massive platter that goes "thud" when you "gong" it, and a > > precisely machined bearing. > > On the Revox tt's, I can't get past that stubby little tone arm. The > > slightest record warp causes major shifting of the VTA. > > That's true. And, unfortunate. They tried to design a very > sophisticated arm, but had trouble damping it sufficiently. > As a result, (while it does sound fairly good) it doesn't > match the quality of any of several high end arms (my > favorite was the SME 3009 on a Garrard 401). IMHO, it does > surpass such hallowed models as the Thorens TD126. > > > And another thing: > > RCA invented that tonearm system in the 1950's. I have > > maybe the one & only example of it in my posession. > > I wonder if it sounds better than the ReVox implementation? > > Some time ago, there was a long discussion in this > email list, about the damping characteristics of Sorbothane. > At the time, I figured I'd try to improve the ReVox arm by > damping it with strips of Sorbothane, lining the sides of > the flimsy shell, both inside and out. I even ordered the > Sorbothane. It's now stored safely, along with components > for the remote control that I was also going to add to the > ReVox. (There is a saying where I come from, concerning > good plans that never mature). > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 12:43 PM > > > > > No, not really. I was suggesting that each of these > > > > > specs is more or less the threshold perception of the > > > > > average human ear. For example, unless you are blessed > > > > > (or cursed) with absolute hearing, improving speed > > > > > accuracy beyond 1% will not buy you much. IOW: as long > > > > > as minimal rotational specs are met, the exact drive > > > > > method is immaterial. > > > > > > > > > > What other aspects of how the record is rotated (in > > > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > > > do you have in mind? > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > I was going to stay out of this but.... and it is Nak related as you > > will > > > > see > > > > First the dd vs belt drive debate is more complicated than Ron states > > > > because > > > > you have to look at turntables as a system and there a very few good DD > > > > turntables compared to belt drive. Namely a couple of goldmunds the > > latest > > > > rockport which although direct drive is a little more complicated than > > > > simply a motor with a plater on top of it and a few micro seki's vs the > > > > Michels Vpi's Basis Goldmund references and many more for belt drive. > > > > > > Actually, DD is pretty simplistic. In some implementations > > > it isn't even 'a motor with a platter on top of it' but just > > > a platter with coils embedded in it, riding on top of even > > > more coils. > > > > > > BTW, You neglected to mention the ReVox series of TTs, all > > > of which are DD. > > > > > > > So which is better? it depends but in less than rarefied air, price > > wise, > > > > beltdrives perform better sonically. > > > > > > > > As for speed unless you have heard say the rockport siruss3 or another > > table > > > > like the goldmund reference with absolute speed stability you can't > > > > understand how much of a difference the sound quality is over average > > > > turntables. Speed stability was one of the few adavntages of the compact > > > > disk. > > > > > > But speed constancy is the hall mark of well designed DD. > > > From that respect, DD is inherently far superior to > > > either belt or idler drives. The ReVox is as solid as a > > > rock. > > > > > > > As for Ron's question "What other aspects of how the record is rotated > > (in > > > > > addition to speed accuracy, speed constancy and noise) > > > > > do you have in mind?" > > > > > > > > Here is the Nak content find a dragon turntable that automatically > > centers > > > > the record. the reduction in wow and flutter is amazing and the sound > > > > quality takes on a solidity that other record players can't match. not > > the > > > > perfect table but one > > > > that will make you notice what effect subtle changes in design will > > make. > > > > > > Never auditioned the Dragon TT, but (again) I can vouch > > > for the reVox rock solid sound. I have verified this > > > both with piano sound (very revealing) and with test > > > records. > > > > > > In DD, there is no flutter from the drive system itself > > > unlike belt or idler drive). However, a fair amount can > > > still be contributed by the platter bearing (of course, > > > this is true for all drive systems). > > > > > > I imagine center hole correction would work well for > > > off-centered records. I am not sure how many of those are > > > around (I have approximately 750 LPs -- off hand, can't > > > recall any of them being off center. If I had one, I > > > would toss it). In any case, this source of wow would > > > be identical in any of the drive methods. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 31 21:48:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:48:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions References: Message-ID: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber cleaning. It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at stripping oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets tape oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene plastics(but not nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't let it stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from "head cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more expensive than MEK. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > Hi All, > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and noticed > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols mixed > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the label > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and it worked > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, what is the > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance for an > answer. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 31 21:53:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:53:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <3b.12941654.27f75f14@aol.com> Message-ID: <027001c0ba1c$33f63d00$323442cf@sank1> Car CD adapters use a tape head to induce sound into the player's tape head. The heads are put surface to surface, so I do see potential for damage. Wouldn't put one in a nice old Nak deck. But any other car deck, who cares if it gets damaged?:) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > This raises an interesting question I would like to ask the collective group > "wisdom" for an answer. I use a cassette adapter to play CD's in my car > using my portable CD player. My question is can the cassette adapter > "damage" my car tape deck in any way? It fits snugly with the connecting > wire extruding out of the faceplate. Just curious and I know someone in this > group will know for sure. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 22:11:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:11:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Bose systems a joke? Which ones are you referring to? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 22:13:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:13:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions Message-ID: <43.12deb3b1.27f79462@aol.com> That's what I've been using since I left the service. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 22:24:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:24:10 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions Message-ID: Is this something I can purchase locally or over the 'Net? Is it available in smaller quantities? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat Mar 31 22:23:39 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:23:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the possibility of getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But I've heard that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it fails. Is this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? Thanks, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber cleaning. > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at stripping > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets tape > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene plastics(but not > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't let it > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from "head > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more expensive than > MEK. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > Hi All, > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and noticed > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols mixed > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the label > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and it > worked > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, what is > the > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance for an > > answer. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 31 23:33:07 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:33:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <9d.135f9cb8.27f75ce7@aol.com> <002201c0ba0e$9b7e0650$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <001101c0ba2a$2dcbd620$8b232ac4@coqui.net> Any professional media supplier has a lot of open reel tape. Unfortunately the 1/4" format is the less available . Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > www.tapeworld.com in Butler, PA. Good people. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > > > Where do you guys find blank recording media these days for your reel > > machines? > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Mar 31 22:32:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:32:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Thanks Stephen, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't damaging the tape heads in my car stereo. Whether it's a high-end deck or not, damaged tape heads are damaged tape heads. (I have to say, my system was surprisingly strong and well rounded (6 speaker system with auto-reverse deck) for a stock system.) I'm saddened to learn that you can no longer purchase a great tape deck for your car. I don't know if that is true, but if it is what is the world coming to? Doesn't anyone enjoy the balanced, warm and soft sound of a well recorded cassette anymore? Although I haven't had the opportunity to hear recordings on many of the NAKs we talk about, the music recorded on a Maxell XL-II created on a CR-7 from a friend of mine is simply INCREDIBLE! I don't know how else to describe it! Blows CD's away, hands down. (HINT! HINT! If anyone is willing, I would like to hear some music recorded on a 1000ZXL or Revox B215 or Tandberg 3014a) Alas, I must be getting old.... :-( -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Mar 31 23:56:54 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:56:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: Message-ID: <002901c0ba2d$8054a720$8b232ac4@coqui.net> Here we go again with " you this, but me that " shit and I really don't like it ! Anytime somebody believe is the last expert in any field can't simply differ in an elegant and professional way toward other members in this list. Always, I mean always, forget that people here have their opinions too. At this time in my life where I have mastered 1000+ commercial discs with even a Grammy on my credits I really know what is or not good sound. But I don't use that to tell others " I know what I'm talking about, but you don't ". A car enviroment is the last place to judge what a "good sound " is. I think that working in a National Sevicenter for any Car Audio made in the world does not extend you the proper authority for judge other people "ears" or tastes. And again, I'm NOT RICH. Just another commun guy earning his living but who used his head properly in order to make a very descent life out of REAL music for the last 20+ years . SOOO, liking or not my car system does not make me or any member in this list "living a fantasy". Let's please respect other person's ideas without been ofensive. If you want to differ, please do so in an ethical way as we have been doing all these years in the Nak list. I'm getting tired of simple treads here that ends in a damm war. I'm in this list to enjoy my hobby and share with others my knowledge and receive other member's ideas too. I'm not here to receive insults from nobody. Very sorry for this and my apologies to this list but there sometimes that you get pissed off and this is one of those moments ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > Hate to tell ya, but your wrong. I see all the Specs, and we are a National > Service Center for just abouut every manufacturer. You may think it sounds > good, but maybe your ears are playing tricks on you. All cassette decks are > GARBAGE today. Whetther in Lexus, Mercedes, whatever. Beleive me! And if > you choose not to, well then, live out your little famtasy. It wont hurt > anyone. But truth is, even the rich get ripped off. LOL R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Wed Mar 28 19:55:10 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:55:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <3AC2257E.8DA5D68@chello.at> Hi John! Just look at http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/de/abfrage_sql.html Sorry, but´s only in german available (by now) Wolfgang PS: Maybe I can help you (copy about DM 30,- incl shipping in Europe = $14) "John M. Tooley" schrieb: > Off > topic.......................................................................................................Please > excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes or > reel, tend to be one and the same. "Houston, we have a problem". > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed > reel back tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone > calls but cannot find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light > tension on the left reel everything sounds fine but I'm not about to > try this for an hour or so. > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or > a fixed resister that has changed its value. > > Help! > > John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-4.txt ************************************************************************ From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 1 00:32:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:32:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another interesting topic for discussion References: <01C0B9D2.505FCBE0@user-2ivfd76.dialup.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3AC65AEC.664D9536@concentric.net> "Stanley P. Pickens" wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anybody know the current username and password for the ftp site? > I have tried naktalk and gearmod but can't get in. > > Thanks, > > Stan The URL is: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ I tried it a moment ago, using the login and password above and it worked fine. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 1 00:34:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:34:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: Message-ID: <3AC65B7D.6E2F9B00@concentric.net> Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > Hate to tell ya, but your wrong. I see all the Specs, and we are a National > Service Center for just abouut every manufacturer. You may think it sounds > good, but maybe your ears are playing tricks on you. All cassette decks are > GARBAGE today. Whetther in Lexus, Mercedes, whatever. Beleive me! And if > you choose not to, well then, live out your little famtasy. It wont hurt > anyone. But truth is, even the rich get ripped off. LOL R.J. But at least, they get ripped off in style... :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 1 01:03:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:03:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Koycera D801 - with Sankyo transport on ebay References: <20010331061251.832011DFB35@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AC66227.7E566BF5@concentric.net> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Wouter / others > Here is one Sankyo ( naks BX/CR/DR series transport)transport with dual capstan but two heads - on ebay with excellent photos of transport / heads etc. Head looks like Nak' BX/ CR 2head mavchines play head - sendust. Machine seems in good condition. You can take the photo for your site if needed!( of course with the permission from the owner!) > Kyocera D-801 Tape Deck Cassette > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226466840 > > Kannan > Looking at the pictures, the transport, as a whole, does not look similar to the CR-7, though the capstan motor does look similar. Is it an exact replacement? I wonder if it would make sense to buy this deck just as a capstan motor replacement, in case I may need one in the future for my CR-7? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I don't know if it comes with a cassette, but the Mark Levinson option is supposed to be nothing short of incredible in the Lexus LS430. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 02:58:36 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:58:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions Message-ID: Im familiar with MEK as well. As far as Rubber goes, i feel that the Tascam Rubber Cleaner, which is available at most Music Stores is best. But PRB also makes a rubber cleaner and restorer, which is excellent. Then there was my All Time Favorite, Vita-Grip, i have a small amout left, but it is no longer available. When i reccommended the Pure Isopropyl, i was treccommending something very safe, and sufficient. The stronger solutions, like MEK, and Acetone, and those i feel are more usable if you are using alot of older tapes, that flake and leave deposits. This you can easily tell with a Magnifying Glass, when cleaning your heads. I have used Tyolene which is excellent at removing tape oxides, but for the health risks, id avoid it. And for the rubber rollers, i would only use a designated rubber cleaner/restorer. You can definately notice a huge difference. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 03:00:35 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:00:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: I agree, a Nak Car Deck is about the only really good car deck you will find. Alpine and the Soundstreams are ok also, only older Blaupunkts were ok, the newer ones were really Sony's, and were junk. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 03:01:19 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:01:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Car audio systems, not speakers, but the systems themselves. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 03:03:24 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:03:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <23.99f10e6.27f7d85c@aol.com> Plenty 1/4 inch format available out there, Maxell, BASF, Quantegy (formerly Ampex) and several 1/4 inch types available from each of these manufacturers. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 03:07:36 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:07:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <5f.13159c68.27f7d958@aol.com> Like i said, maybe before you post you would check your sources. Like Tandberg in Denmark. What sounds good to your ears doesnt mean its high quality. But i keep forgetting, maybe you found this super high quality cassette deck from the same people who are selling the $3000.00 interconnects. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > Is this something I can purchase locally or over the 'Net? Is it available > in smaller quantities? Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 1 03:27:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:27:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been impossible for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, and much nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in rational terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series units sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the laser, but the electronics have almost no commonalities. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the possibility of > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But I've heard > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it fails. Is > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > Thanks, Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber > cleaning. > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at stripping > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets tape > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene plastics(but not > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't let > it > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from "head > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more expensive than > > MEK. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and noticed > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols mixed > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the > label > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and it > > worked > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, what is > > the > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance for > an > > > answer. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 1 03:31:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:31:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <02a201c0ba4b$788a0a80$323442cf@sank1> It is quite true that no truly good car tape decks have been made by anybody since the days of the TD-1200. From the RD series forward, even Nak car decks have been OEM crap. The only good car decks ever made were the TD-1200/1200-II, TD-800, TD-700, TD-500, TD-400 & TD-300, all of which had crystalloy Nak heads, in various transports. Once you hear one of these in good shape, you'll think far less of what you think is nice now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > Thanks Stephen, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't damaging the tape heads > in my car stereo. Whether it's a high-end deck or not, damaged tape heads > are damaged tape heads. (I have to say, my system was surprisingly strong > and well rounded (6 speaker system with auto-reverse deck) for a stock > system.) > > I'm saddened to learn that you can no longer purchase a great tape deck for > your car. I don't know if that is true, but if it is what is the world > coming to? Doesn't anyone enjoy the balanced, warm and soft sound of a well > recorded cassette anymore? Although I haven't had the opportunity to hear > recordings on many of the NAKs we talk about, the music recorded on a Maxell > XL-II created on a CR-7 from a friend of mine is simply INCREDIBLE! I don't > know how else to describe it! Blows CD's away, hands down. (HINT! HINT! If > anyone is willing, I would like to hear some music recorded on a 1000ZXL or > Revox B215 or Tandberg 3014a) Alas, I must be getting old.... :-( > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 1 09:52:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 00:52:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <20010401073412.0A22E1DFBA7@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <033901c0ba80$ac85bd40$323442cf@sank1> In the USA, at least, about $250-350 for TD-700 & $350-500 for TD-1200(I or II). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Stephen > What could be the worth of TD700/ TD1200 at present if they are in good condition? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > >It is quite true that no truly good car tape decks have been made by anybody > >since the days of the TD-1200. From the RD series forward, even Nak car > >decks have been OEM crap. The only good car decks ever made were the > >TD-1200/1200-II, TD-800, TD-700, TD-500, TD-400 & TD-300, all of which had > >crystalloy Nak heads, in various transports. Once you hear one of these in > >good shape, you'll think far less of what you think is nice now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 13:05:12 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 07:05:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <63.13ff9e83.27f86568@aol.com> Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and seeing the decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and all that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From udurusu at tr.net Sun Apr 1 14:15:07 2001 From: udurusu at tr.net (Ural Durusu) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:15:07 +0300 Subject: Ynt: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <009501c0baa5$652b98a0$720a9bc3@ertur-1> Hello, before the AKAI Japan close its doors to AKAI users I had the opportunity to talk with an cassette deck tech. who is Mr Mikio Sato There were 2 complete mechabloks for GX-75 MK2 or GX 95 Reference Master series actually they are using the same mechanical parts I had bought one of them, a set of pinch rollers and a set of tork lever including the spring and the tork ped. Also he had sent me the service manual for GX 75/95. Now I have problem with my GX 75 but its electronic I am trying to solve this problem now. Since the problem I have bought a Nakamichi DR-10. So if you give me your postal address I can send you a copy of service manual. Best regards. Ural Durusu -----Özgün Ýleti----- Kimden: Kevin Rogers Kime: naktalk at naks.com Tarih: 30 Mart 2001 Cuma 01:19 Konu: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 Teac V8000S and V-8030 Luxman K-03 Aiwa XKS9000 Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 1 16:31:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:31:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <63.13ff9e83.27f86568@aol.com> Message-ID: <004d01c0bab8$7458cf60$99232ac4@coqui.net> And ... since when a Car Audio system , 10 speakers, 4 or 1 make you decide which car you gonna drive ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and all > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 16:37:30 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:37:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: LOL, you really miss the boat, dont you. Has nothing to do with the car, or the name on the stereo. It has to do with the guts of the stereo, the head unit. Even more specifically the cassette deck in the head unit. And they are junk, i was just trying to give some behind the scenes facts to the people in the forum, so they arent conned when they are choosing stereos. They can barrage you with speakers, EQ's and Amps, but the cassette decks stink today. That is where i am coming from, not about the car to buy. If you have to buy a very expensive European car, to think that you have a great cassette deck, well then go right ahead. But you havent accomplished anything at all in the cassette department. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 1 16:46:13 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:46:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <5f.13159c68.27f7d958@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c0baba$807357a0$99232ac4@coqui.net> I love your attitude. Good for you ! Perhaps you are right, all Car Audio Systems you don't approve are garbage, good ! Congratulations on your discovery. By the way, there's a parts supplier in Denmark, but not for the Tandberg's, unfortunately for all of us. I bought 2 capstan motors for my Bin Loops there 2 years ago, but they still on business, RME. It's difficult to keep track of all the things when you have people doing the work for you ... As for the car audio stuff, no more comments. As Ron said; I'll rather be ripped off in style ! Ha, ! Peace ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck . What sounds good to your ears doesnt mean its high > quality. But i keep forgetting, maybe you found this super high quality > cassette deck from the same people who are selling the $3000.00 > interconnects. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 1 16:56:05 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:56:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <23.99f10e6.27f7d85c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c0babb$e1c35720$99232ac4@coqui.net> Well, I'm sorry but Maxell stop producing open reel tape years ago. And for "tape available from each of this manufacturers" they don't sell direct to anybody. National Recording Supplies in Brooklyn, New York is their biggest distributor in the east coast. I think it is 1-800-538-2336. Talk to Domenick. For those interested, I have plenty of 1/4" tape available. We don't sell that anymore. BASF, and Ampex. On the hub and on the Reel too. An empty reel is more expensive than the tape itself. Better buy plastic reels w/ boxes and tape on the hub. It's far more cheaper that way. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > Plenty 1/4 inch format available out there, Maxell, BASF, Quantegy (formerly > Ampex) and several 1/4 inch types available from each of these manufacturers. > R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 1 17:01:36 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:01:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <000f01c0babc$a66c3060$99232ac4@coqui.net> Raymond, let's stop this shit, will you ? I buy a car because I like it and if I can afford it, I don't care if the deck is OEM garbage or a super deck. If the car brings the system with it, then, that's all. I appreciate your insights but not the way you say it. You can give all the help you want without offending other members in this list and that is what I'm talking about. So, case closed and let's discuss other matters. Thank you . Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > LOL, you really miss the boat, dont you. Has nothing to do with the car, > or the name on the stereo. It has to do with the guts of the stereo, the > head unit. Even more specifically the cassette deck in the head unit. And > they are junk, i was just trying to give some behind the scenes facts to the > people in the forum, so they arent conned when they are choosing stereos. > They can barrage you with speakers, EQ's and Amps, but the cassette decks > stink today. That is where i am coming from, not about the car to buy. If > you have to buy a very expensive European car, to think that you have a great > cassette deck, well then go right ahead. But you havent accomplished > anything at all in the cassette department. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 1 17:55:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Koycera D801 - with Sankyo transport on ebay References: <20010401071310.C46D81DFB37@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AC74F56.D89589BF@concentric.net> You are right -- I have never seen a CR-3 transport, just the CR-7. Thanks for the info, I'll see how the bidding goes. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > I think you have not seen CR3 transport or BX300 transport, this machine is exactly same like reel motor / leaf switch motor for logic as well head engagement, capstan/ pinch rollars as well as Direct drive motor. Cr7 has seperate plate for mounting as well as azimuth adjustment for Play head and that is not present in CR3/ BX300 etc. Nak head mounting arrangement may be different from this anyway as heads are different. The black cover covering the reel hubs partly also looks same. You can confidently buy this for lot of replacement parts for your CR7! > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Koycera D801 - with Sankyo transport on ebay > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Wouter / others > >> Here is one Sankyo ( naks BX/CR/DR series transport)transport with dual capstan but two heads - on ebay with excellent photos of transport / heads etc. > >> Kyocera D-801 Tape Deck Cassette > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226466840 > >> > >> Kannan > >> > > > >Looking at the pictures, the transport, as a whole, > >does not look similar to the CR-7, though the capstan > >motor does look similar. Is it an exact replacement? > >I wonder if it would make sense to buy this deck just > >as a capstan motor replacement, in case I may need one > >in the future for my CR-7? > > > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 1 18:29:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:29:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <63.13ff9e83.27f86568@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC75758.473EC2DF@concentric.net> Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and seeing the > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and all > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB system, that is far short of audiophile quality and the long life of home equipment, but still, deemed quite useable by many people. I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, people talking to me all the time, and large distance difference from the left and right speakers). As to life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. I would probably feel differently if I spent long time in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 22:16:58 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:16:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Anyone interested in 1/4 inch open reel tape, whether it be 7 or 10.5 inch reels, just Email me, and I'll give you plenty of sources. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 22:20:31 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:20:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Carlos, Touchy...Touchy..Touchy... I was strictly talking about the quality. Not the sound, or what i thought didnt sound god. But what they are made of, and how they are made. You seem to take everything very personal, hey, at least be able to admit when you have been ripped off. It happens to everyone. I can tell by the vengence in your replies, you take a self righteous stance on everything, instead of realizing others may know more than you in certain areas, and are trying to help you, not hurt you. Take a few deep breaths, Peace My Friend. Enjoy your sports car. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 22:30:59 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:30:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <12.aeddd20.27f8ea03@aol.com> Carlos, The way this whole thing started, was that i was responding to someone who had asked about getting a high quality tape deck today, a new one. I stated that you really cant get a high quality deck today.And that is that, thats the truth. Of course, like every other post i have put out there, you have to But in and beg to differ. My stance wasn't on my ears, but on the build of the decks, and where they are made, and how they are made. You brought up that you can get high quality decks, but you have to buy an expensive European car to get one. Which it total nonsense. I didnt try to tell you what kind of car to buy or not buy. I cant figure out how your mind thinks. Also, i havent trashed anything that anyone owns in this forum. I know about these decks, and that was my only point. And it was to answer someone else, not you. As far as your language, throwing curses around so freely, you seem to have a nasty temper, when someone disagrees with you, or you have been proven wrong. Im sorry that i can't help you out with that problem. I may be new on the block around here, but i will state my beliefs and experiences as i chose, and i didnt attempt to offend anyone. I stated a fact, that todays audio cassette decks are junk. Better off trying to find a used one, like a Nak..Soundstream...Alpine...etc.. a quality used peice. Now, that is all i have to say about this. And Id appreciate it, if you would lay off. You totaly misconstrue what i say, to suit your own purposes. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Sun Apr 1 22:34:57 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:34:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <99.12d9867a.27f8eaf1@aol.com> Im sure it sounds good to you. And again, its all relative. Years ago i spent alot of time in the car, long trips, and alot of time was riding solo. And trust me, there is a huge difference in comparison to todays equipment, at least in the cassette department. It like working with quality tools, and then using cheap ones. They stiil drive a nail, or turn a screw, but huge difference in how they do it. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:08:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:08:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <61.cc5bb09.27f900d7@aol.com> So there's still hope for another 10 years of quality blank cassette media available? Glad to hear that reel-to-reel is still popular after all of these years. My stereo "buddies" who purchased reel-to-reel machines really enjoy them and use them often. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:11:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:11:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Wow, what a shame. Although I am finding the digital media "fun," IMHO from what I've been exposed to it doesn't compare to the rich sound of an analog signal. :-( ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:14:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:14:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: Wow, what's wrong with the 901's? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:15:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:15:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <11.120287a2.27f90284@aol.com> Since finding an older NAK car stereo system is difficult, what current units would you recommend? Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:18:49 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:18:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <9c.d07067c.27f90349@aol.com> I dont know. I was referring to the head unit in the Bose systems in Cars. Namely the cassette deck in that system. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Mon Apr 2 01:17:35 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <009501c0baa5$652b98a0$720a9bc3@ertur-1> Message-ID: <006901c0bb01$f0fdcc20$ad05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Ynt: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hi Ural. Thank you, that's very kind of you. Kevin Rogers, 11 Stanley Street, London, Ontario, Canada, N6C 1A9. Let me know the cost to copy and postage and I'll reimburse you. If you decide to sell your Akai and the spares, let me know as I would be interested. Kevin Hello, before the AKAI Japan close its doors to AKAI users I had the opportunity to talk with an cassette deck tech. who is Mr Mikio Sato There were 2 complete mechabloks for GX-75 MK2 or GX 95 Reference Master series actually they are using the same mechanical parts I had bought one of them, a set of pinch rollers and a set of tork lever including the spring and the tork ped. Also he had sent me the service manual for GX 75/95. Now I have problem with my GX 75 but its electronic I am trying to solve this problem now. Since the problem I have bought a Nakamichi DR-10. So if you give me your postal address I can send you a copy of service manual. Best regards. Ural Durusu -----Özgün Ýleti----- Kimden: Kevin Rogers Kime: naktalk at naks.com Tarih: 30 Mart 2001 Cuma 01:19 Konu: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Hello all. At the risk of getting flamed by all and sundry, does anyone know where Akai parts and manuals can be found? I just picked up an Akai GX-95 Master Series cassette deck and would like an owners manual, service manual, remote and pinch rollers for it. I understand that Akai is out of business but surely there must be some parts around? I don't in any way think the Akai is the equal of a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox, but I wanted to add it to my collection. Nakamichi Dragon, CR-7A and BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 Teac V8000S and V-8030 Luxman K-03 Aiwa XKS9000 Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:21:37 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:21:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <3b.12a39948.27f903f1@aol.com> If you really aren't looking for audiophile sound. And the build quality of years ago, then Id say just go out and listen to what is available, in the aftermarket cassette decks. Choose what you like from what you hear, and the features, because there isn't a whole lot of difference in terms of cassette quality today. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:22:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:22:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <53.46cdde3.27f90414@aol.com> OK, thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Apr 2 00:34:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:34:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <79.1272841d.27f90713@aol.com> Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon Apr 2 01:01:40 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:01:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II on the basis of better sound and more facilities. Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been impossible > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, and much > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in rational > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series units > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the laser, > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the possibility > of > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But I've > heard > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it fails. Is > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber > > cleaning. > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at stripping > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets tape > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene plastics(but > not > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't let > > it > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from "head > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more expensive > than > > > MEK. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and > noticed > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols > mixed > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the > > label > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and it > > > worked > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, what > is > > > the > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance for > > an > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 2 03:19:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:19:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <3AC65B7D.6E2F9B00@concentric.net> <018801c0ba39$0024fc60$54021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3AC7D39F.EC29E5D8@pacbell.net> WOW, Mark Levinson in a car! or a licensee slapped on some genereic system. But, it may be true, I think Levinson may have been involved in Audiomobile; one of the few real car audio names from 20 years ago when acquring a great car system was harder than acquiring a great home-fi system Now everybody thinks they can have it all from circuit city (boom and sizzle) Brian Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > Hate to tell ya, but your wrong. I see all the Specs, and we are a > National > > > Service Center for just abouut every manufacturer. You may think it > sounds > > > good, but maybe your ears are playing tricks on you. All cassette decks > are > > > GARBAGE today. Whetther in Lexus, Mercedes, whatever. Beleive me! And > if > > > you choose not to, well then, live out your little famtasy. It wont > hurt > > > anyone. But truth is, even the rich get ripped off. LOL R.J. > > I don't know if it comes with a cassette, but the Mark Levinson option is > supposed to be nothing short of incredible in the Lexus LS430. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 2 03:21:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:21:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, that I have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is pretty remarkable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II on the > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been impossible > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, and > much > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > rational > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series units > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the laser, > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the possibility > > of > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But I've > > heard > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it fails. > Is > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber > > > cleaning. > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > stripping > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets tape > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene plastics(but > > not > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't > let > > > it > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from "head > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more expensive > > than > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and > > noticed > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols > > mixed > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on the > > > label > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and > it > > > > worked > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, > what > > is > > > > the > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 2 03:41:39 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:41:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <12.aeddd20.27f8ea03@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c0bb16$1081f1c0$102f2ac4@coqui.net> As far as I recall, Raymond, you are totally wrong in most of the things you posted below because I never said that in order to have a good system you have to buy an expensive european car and all other comments that now make no sense to me. After checking all the posts in my files I only can laugh about it and ignore the rest. And ... it's obvious that you are new to this list because you don't have an slight idea who I am or how I am and how I relate to many of the members on this list that trough the years have become my friends , etc ... You are assuming way too much and that's your problem, my friend. I'm very sorry for that. Have received a lot of direct mails today asking me to ignore you but I think that these misunderstandings must be clear to avoid it in the future. If you don't like others to differ from you, well, delete the posts and period. I may differ from you in many things and agree in others but I don't recall insulting you in any way . As you did. Enough said and my expressive thanks to all of you who send me words of support. It's not the first time this happens and wouldn't be the last, unfortunately. Thanks, The Tape Man Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Carlos, The way this whole thing started, was that i was responding to > someone who had asked about getting a high quality tape deck today, a new > one. I stated that you really cant get a high quality deck today.And that is > that, thats the truth. Of course, like every other post i have put out > there, you have to But in and beg to differ. My stance wasn't on my ears, > but on the build of the decks, and where they are made, and how they are > made. You brought up that you can get high quality decks, but you have to > buy an expensive European car to get one. Which it total nonsense. I > didnt try to tell you what kind of car to buy or not buy. I cant figure out > how your mind thinks. > > Also, i havent trashed anything that anyone owns in this forum. I > know about these decks, and that was my only point. And it was to answer > someone else, not you. As far as your language, throwing curses around so > freely, you seem to have a nasty temper, when someone disagrees with you, or > you have been proven wrong. Im sorry that i can't help you out with that > problem. I may be new on the block around here, but i will state my beliefs > and experiences as i chose, and i didnt attempt to offend anyone. I stated a > fact, that todays audio cassette decks are junk. Better off trying to find a > used one, like a Nak..Soundstream...Alpine...etc.. a quality used peice. > Now, that is all i have to say about this. And Id appreciate it, if you > would lay off. You totaly misconstrue what i say, to suit your own purposes. > R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 2 03:42:49 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:42:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <63.13ff9e83.27f86568@aol.com> <3AC75758.473EC2DF@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004301c0bb16$3a1e1ae0$102f2ac4@coqui.net> Well, at least Ron here got my idea ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and seeing the > > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and all > > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > > > > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What > you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB > system, that is far short of audiophile quality > and the long life of home equipment, but still, > deemed quite useable by many people. > > I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my > Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the > SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. > It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom > box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that > it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my > requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, > people talking to me all the time, and large distance > difference from the left and right speakers). As to > life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or > 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. > > I would probably feel differently if I spent long time > in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's > OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 2 03:50:16 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:50:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL Message-ID: <007a01c0bb17$4460a440$102f2ac4@coqui.net> Well guys, this time I'm not gonna talk about european cars or garbage decks ! I found this person who's offering me a 700 ZXL for a very good price. Those interested, please reply off list direct to me and I would send you direct to the owner. I think he' s living in Maryland. Price; Under $700's Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Apr 2 04:07:57 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:07:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... In-Reply-To: <004301c0bb16$3a1e1ae0$102f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: I can see how Nakamichi or Mark Levinson were on option for Lexus LS400 and LS430 accordingly. 11 speaker McIntosh system in a Subaru Outback 6 cylinder is something else ... And yes, it looks like a minature McIntosh in dash. I don't think there is a cassette player in the system though. As much as I like tapes, and most of us on this list, the simplicity of CD's and CD-R's and pure economics are the reason why we do not see more good cassette players. Even though I personally never cared that much for BOSE, I have to admit that tapes made on my CR-4 sound extremely well in the Nissan-BOSE system in my car. BOSE people spent significant amount of time to get the whole system right, so as a whole, it sounds better than a piece meal system in my previous car with a fancy Alpine tape-deck/head unit. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: Sun, April 01, 2001 8:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Well, at least Ron here got my idea ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and seeing the > > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and all > > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > > > > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What > you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB > system, that is far short of audiophile quality > and the long life of home equipment, but still, > deemed quite useable by many people. > > I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my > Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the > SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. > It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom > box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that > it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my > requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, > people talking to me all the time, and large distance > difference from the left and right speakers). As to > life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or > 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. > > I would probably feel differently if I spent long time > in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's > OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 2 04:11:17 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:11:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: First Systems References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> <3AC4BDDA.A0E1AEF6@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC7DFC4.1E1291B7@snet.net> > This thread is much more fun than the interconnect battle. anybody else care to > elaborate on their first system that probably inspired them to love and appreciate > hifi? How can I resist... when I was about 12 years old I found an old Sherwood tube integrated amp in the basement of my local audio store and was told I could have it for free as it was basically "worthless"... remember that this was the mid 70's when tubes were considered by and large completely obsolete! I saved up my allowance for a month so that I could afford the 7868 outputs that were missing and then another month to pay the tech the $20 for diagnosing and replacing a bad power resistor (yes a quad of RCA's cost $20 back then... and a tech's hourly labor rate was the same too!). I then managed to convince my mom that she didn't need the Garrard AT60 in my parents bedroom and I think my dad was so impressed by my perseverance that he ended up giving me an old pair of Hartley co-ax speakers that were sitting around in the basement. I can still recall cranking up The Song Remains the Same from Led Zeppelin's "Houses of the Holy" and thinking that I must have had the best system in the world... of course the deep pride of putting the thing together piece by piece had much to do with it... but I must also say that compared to the Zenith Allegro or Panasonic "Thrusters" (speakers) that went along with the all in one systems that everyone else my age seemed to have, I probably did have one of the best systems for a kid my age! This is a fun thread... hope I didn't bore anyone! Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 2 04:28:00 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:28:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <3AC65B7D.6E2F9B00@concentric.net> <018801c0ba39$0024fc60$54021fac@brianm> <3AC7D39F.EC29E5D8@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <004a01c0bb1c$8b61e160$f6ea3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > WOW, Mark Levinson in a car! or a licensee slapped on some genereic system. But, it > may be true, I think Levinson may have been involved in Audiomobile; one of the few > real car audio names from 20 years ago when acquring a great car system was harder > than acquiring a great home-fi system > > Now everybody thinks they can have it all from circuit city (boom and sizzle) > > Brian > No it really is by the boys at madrigal, there is a review in the absolute sound this month of both systems in the lexus ls430 and sc 430. teh review is a rave according to the lexus website the system is somewhere around $3000 with a moon roof ( There is no individual option this seems to be the cheapest way to get the stereo) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 2 04:48:30 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:48:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: First Systems References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> <3AC4BDDA.A0E1AEF6@pacbell.net> <3AC7DFC4.1E1291B7@snet.net> Message-ID: <001701c0bb1f$670c1800$6c302ac4@coqui.net> Hi Ed ! My first system was a Japanese 8 track AM/FM radio. My first real one was a Lafayette Receiver with a Criterion Speaker in one side and a Lafayette in the other , Ha,Ha,ha !!! Then with a summer job I bought a Technics SL D2 DD table. After that, my father gave me an open reel deck Sony with auto reverse at my jr. high school graduation. Then, I wnet to work as a night attendant in a local funeral home and got enough money to buy my first cassette deck: Technics RS M 63 that I still have ! As you, I was 12 years old then ... The rest is history ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: First Systems > > This thread is much more fun than the interconnect battle. anybody else care to > > elaborate on their first system that probably inspired them to love and appreciate > > hifi? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 2 04:55:57 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:55:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <002301c0bb20$714579a0$6c302ac4@coqui.net> Yeah, Stan ! I have this car with a BOSE speaker system that sounds much better than I thought. It's not better than my Japanese car with a combination of Nakamichi, PPI , etc ... but it sounds very good for my purposes. Besides, if you buy a new car with a decent system why bother expending extra in a "super system" , unless you want it for Car Show. I'm very happy with it, plus it cames with a tape deck that have all this conveniences. Have no Cd player in it !!!!! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > I can see how Nakamichi or Mark Levinson were on option for Lexus LS400 and > LS430 accordingly. 11 speaker McIntosh system in a Subaru Outback 6 cylinder > is something else ... And yes, it looks like a minature McIntosh in dash. I > don't think there is a cassette player in the system though. > > As much as I like tapes, and most of us on this list, the simplicity of CD's > and CD-R's and pure economics are the reason why we do not see more good > cassette players. > > Even though I personally never cared that much for BOSE, I have to admit > that tapes made on my CR-4 sound extremely well in the Nissan-BOSE system in > my car. BOSE people spent significant amount of time to get the whole system > right, so as a whole, it sounds better than a piece meal system in my > previous car with a fancy Alpine tape-deck/head unit. > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carlos > Sent: Sun, April 01, 2001 8:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Well, at least Ron here got my idea ... > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and > seeing the > > > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > > > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > > > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > > > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > > > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and > all > > > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > > > > > > > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What > > you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB > > system, that is far short of audiophile quality > > and the long life of home equipment, but still, > > deemed quite useable by many people. > > > > I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my > > Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the > > SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. > > It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom > > box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that > > it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my > > requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, > > people talking to me all the time, and large distance > > difference from the left and right speakers). As to > > life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or > > 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. > > > > I would probably feel differently if I spent long time > > in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's > > OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Apr 2 05:48:19 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:18:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: How about some mu-metal Message-ID: <20010402034819.63F101DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Mon Apr 2 07:54:46 2001 From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:54:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A0CC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Dear R.J. I may be interested in some 10 inch 1/4 inch reels. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Raayymmond at aol.com [mailto:Raayymmond at aol.com] Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 6:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck Anyone interested in 1/4 inch open reel tape, whether it be 7 or 10.5 inch reels, just Email me, and I'll give you plenty of sources. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 11:54:13 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 05:54:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Carlos, I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. So read between the lines. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 12:38:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:38:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. Thanks. Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jpalisoc at excite.com Mon Apr 2 18:06:17 2001 From: jpalisoc at excite.com (jpalisoc at excite.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Timers Message-ID: <30456296.986227578800.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Some of my favorite radio shows start past my bedtime. What do you folks use/recommend for low cost timing devices? I have two tape decks, neither one auto-reverse. For an hour and a half show, I'm thinking use two timers with the two decks, set 45 minutes apart, which raises another question: Is it OK to let the deck run all night after it has auto-stopped? (I've done this occasionally where I started taping, then gone to bed...) Or should I use the timer to cut the power?... John New Hyde Park, NY _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 2 18:11:08 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:11:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: First Systems References: <3AC423E2.41052F77@pacbell.net> <002801c0b8ee$9c0e8b60$323442cf@sank1> <3AC4BDDA.A0E1AEF6@pacbell.net> <3AC7DFC4.1E1291B7@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AC8A4AE.78074C92@pacbell.net> On the contrary, this is how most of us got started. the nostalgia of the components and how you put 'em together is refreshing--especially from this "elite" group Brian Ed Noyes wrote: > > This thread is much more fun than the interconnect battle. anybody else care to > > elaborate on their first system that probably inspired them to love and appreciate > > hifi? > > How can I resist... when I was about 12 years old I found an old Sherwood tube integrated > amp in the basement of my local audio store and was told I could have it for free as it > was basically "worthless"... remember that this was the mid 70's when tubes were > considered by and large completely obsolete! I saved up my allowance for a month so that > I could afford the 7868 outputs that were missing and then another month to pay the tech > the $20 for diagnosing and replacing a bad power resistor (yes a quad of RCA's cost $20 > back then... and a tech's hourly labor rate was the same too!). I then managed to > convince my mom that she didn't need the Garrard AT60 in my parents bedroom and I think > my dad was so impressed by my perseverance that he ended up giving me an old pair of > Hartley co-ax speakers that were sitting around in the basement. I can still recall > cranking up The Song Remains the Same from Led Zeppelin's "Houses of the Holy" and > thinking that I must have had the best system in the world... of course the deep pride of > putting the thing together piece by piece had much to do with it... but I must also say > that compared to the Zenith Allegro or Panasonic "Thrusters" (speakers) that went along > with the all in one systems that everyone else my age seemed to have, I probably did have > one of the best systems for a kid my age! > > This is a fun thread... hope I didn't bore anyone! > > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 2 18:18:25 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:18:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC8A663.E8B8931C@pacbell.net> Although new to the group, I have to say that Carlos has given great ideas and thoughts, publicly. I can't vouch for his direct emails but I think his "public" postings have been informational and, generally, right on topic. Brian Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 2 18:25:26 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:25:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold to you. Brian Jim Volpatti wrote: > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > Thanks. > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > Carlos, > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > So read between the lines. R.J. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 2 18:27:25 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:27:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: <02e001c0ba76$ad5c79c0$2ded3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AC8A880.F64A7533@pacbell.net> Bose is one of the greatest hifi scams of all time. Imagine a lifestyle system for like ~~$3,000. I have not picked 1 up but it looks like the "receiver"? weighs about 20 pounds (where's the beef) My power amp weighs 150# alone. And the wave radio and etc.--I have an old pair of EV speakers with a 4 " full range driver and a maze of tunnels throughout the enclosure and terminating out to the back of the enclosure. Lotsa "bass?", sorta. Lets's not even get started on the audiophile 901's. Bose is the mcdonalds/starbux of hifi, but I bet they are making lotsa $$$$$$$$$. "nuf said Brian Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck > > > Bose systems a joke? Which ones are you referring to? > > > > -Sam > That would be all of them Sam :-) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From salimarz at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 18:53:48 2001 From: salimarz at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:53:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Timers Message-ID: <006301c0bb97$32729600$d3199bca@smarzuki> Hi John, I almost buy auto reverse deck ... when that old reliable vhs hifi came to mind. Works like charm ! All the 'fidelity' still there for 6 hours and of course you get that nice blinking <12:00> timer built in. :-) Most difficult thing is to find time to edit those tapes before they start piling up ! Salim SM Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: jpalisoc at excite.com Subject: [naktalk] Timers Some of my favorite radio shows start past my bedtime. What do you folks use/recommend for low cost timing devices? I have two tape decks, neither one auto-reverse. For an hour and a half show, I'm thinking use two timers with the two decks, set 45 minutes apart, which raises another question: Is it OK to let the deck run all night after it has auto-stopped? (I've done this occasionally where I started taping, then gone to bed...) Or should I use the timer to cut the power?... John New Hyde Park, NY _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 2 19:27:33 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:27:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c0bb9a$33ba9f00$68d9893e@a4s1s2> I have not been contributing to this (or any other) site for sometime because, for various reasons, I have giving myself "light duties" for the sake of my health. (Forgive me, friends - esp. Nick - if I seem to have been ignoring you - I hope you will understand.) However, on reading this post I could not contain myself any longer. Carlos IS a MUCH respected fellow of this site whose tolerance and good nature and forgiveness have marked him out as a particularly fine specimen of this degenerate species we call the Human Race! I have witnessed him being attacked several times before and he needs no help from me to defend him. But I have also seen him convert his attackers of the past into friends. (Remember Blues, guys?) But THIS attack has crossed the line. It is not just a heated debate. It is grossly insulting and not just to Carlos but to the rest of us who receive this crap into our in boxes. Yes, we can delete it (once we know it is crap) but I for one cannot sit by without comment when a true gentleman is abused in this manner. Back off this aggressiveness, R.J. - you've gone too far and it is not welcome. Know you have gone too far. I hope you have the courage to admit as much not just to yourself but to the rest of the readers of otherwise excellent posts. That done, let us debate in friendship and peace - you too - as we are generally able so to do. If we cannot do so, let's pack up this club now and call it a day ... like the format we so love! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 02 April 2001 10:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Carlos, I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. So read between the lines. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 19:26:22 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:26:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MAXELL OPEN REEL TAPE Message-ID: Hello, Maxell Tape is very much Alive and Kicking in the Open Reel Tape Business. The number for Maxell America is 1-800-533-2836, and ask for audio tape department. It is available on both 7 inch and 10.5 inch reels. It is available or they will order it for you at any Tower Records store, or through J&R Musicworld, at 1-800-221-8180. So if there are those of you that like Maxell Open Reel Tape, it was Has Not stopped production years ago. I myself prefer Quantegy, formerly Ampex. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 19:31:53 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:31:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: <98.12cdc79a.27fa1189@aol.com> Here are a few numbers for open reel tape. My favorite is Christec Media 1-800-774-1457, ask for Larry. There is also Arcal at 1-800-272-2591, and Recording Media in Fla, at 1-954-791-9797. Burlington Audio Video at 1-800-331-3191. Also, if you do a Google Search for Blank Audio Tapes, or Recording Media, you will find plenty of sources to buy Open Reel tapes in 1/4 inch format. From Maxell, BASF, Quantegy, etc.... R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 19:35:47 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:35:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <46.12cef82d.27fa1273@aol.com> Grahm, You dont know what abuse is my friend. Dont ever try to repromand me, I dont take crap from you or anyone else. So you back off, Loser! R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 19:49:48 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:49:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my comments, and i know they are true. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Apr 2 20:01:59 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <000201c0bb9a$33ba9f00$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <009801c0bb9f$03e2e710$b7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> And I'll second that, enough already. Anybody bid on those 6 Nakamichi decks on ebay yet? http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=lled133 at aol .com&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > I have not been contributing to this (or any other) site for sometime > because, for various reasons, I have giving myself "light duties" for the > sake of my health. (Forgive me, friends - esp. Nick - if I seem to have > been ignoring you - I hope you will understand.) However, on reading this > post I could not contain myself any longer. > > Carlos IS a MUCH respected fellow of this site whose tolerance and good > nature and forgiveness have marked him out as a particularly fine specimen > of this degenerate species we call the Human Race! I have witnessed him > being attacked several times before and he needs no help from me to defend > him. But I have also seen him convert his attackers of the past into > friends. (Remember Blues, guys?) > > But THIS attack has crossed the line. It is not just a heated debate. It > is grossly insulting and not just to Carlos but to the rest of us who > receive this crap into our in boxes. Yes, we can delete it (once we know it > is crap) but I for one cannot sit by without comment when a true gentleman > is abused in this manner. > > Back off this aggressiveness, R.J. - you've gone too far and it is not > welcome. Know you have gone too far. I hope you have the courage to admit > as much not just to yourself but to the rest of the readers of otherwise > excellent posts. That done, let us debate in friendship and peace - you > too - as we are generally able so to do. If we cannot do so, let's pack up > this club now and call it a day ... like the format we so love! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmond at aol.com > Sent: 02 April 2001 10:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave > this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 2 20:09:35 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:09:35 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42600B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Graham, buddy! Is this really you? I was nearly about to give up any hope of hearing from you again. Thank God, you're still there. BTW, you are right - I have been missing you so much... Please, drop me a line directly - of course, if you're OK & feel like talking to Nick-fellow. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:28 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car > decks > > I have not been contributing to this (or any other) site for sometime > because, for various reasons, I have giving myself "light duties" for the > sake of my health. (Forgive me, friends - esp. Nick - if I seem to have > been ignoring you - I hope you will understand.) However, on reading > this > post I could not contain myself any longer. > > Carlos IS a MUCH respected fellow of this site whose tolerance and good > nature and forgiveness have marked him out as a particularly fine specimen > of this degenerate species we call the Human Race! I have witnessed him > being attacked several times before and he needs no help from me to defend > him. But I have also seen him convert his attackers of the past into > friends. (Remember Blues, guys?) > > But THIS attack has crossed the line. It is not just a heated debate. It > is grossly insulting and not just to Carlos but to the rest of us who > receive this crap into our in boxes. Yes, we can delete it (once we know > it > is crap) but I for one cannot sit by without comment when a true gentleman > is abused in this manner. > > Back off this aggressiveness, R.J. - you've gone too far and it is not > welcome. Know you have gone too far. I hope you have the courage to > admit > as much not just to yourself but to the rest of the readers of otherwise > excellent posts. That done, let us debate in friendship and peace - you > too - as we are generally able so to do. If we cannot do so, let's pack > up > this club now and call it a day ... like the format we so love! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmond at aol.com > Sent: 02 April 2001 10:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave > this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 2 20:19:49 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:19:49 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Black Box Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42600C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, excuse my ignorance, but what the heck is the Black Box? There's a DC-output in the back of my ZX-7 for the thing... It may seem funny, but I've just noticed it, so this is why I'm asking. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Apr 2 20:38:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:38:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Black Box References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42600C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <018701c0bba4$285a2180$25021fac@brianm> If I am correct, this is for the IR remote control box that you can attach to the ZX-7. Sam sent a link for one being auctioned a couple days ago. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Black Box > Guys, > > excuse my ignorance, but what the heck is the Black Box? There's a DC-output > in the back of my ZX-7 for the thing... It may seem funny, but I've just > noticed it, so this is why I'm asking. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 20:40:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:40:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer CT-F1250 you sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically or operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear the obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I didn't pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to you in the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping damage my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They shouldn't. The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer to the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping negligence is repulsive. My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for was in fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never bid $219 on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you doesn't make it worth any less. I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't want the deck, I want my $219. Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > to you. > > Brian > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 20:43:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:43:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC8C86C.B349CF3E@earthlink.net> I apologize to everyone for making a private disagreement public but I only did so to show Brian for who he really is. I don't know if he still does the volume of business on ebay that he once did but this individual is not to be trusted. Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > to you. > > Brian > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > So read between the lines. R.J. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 2 21:48:55 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:48:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c0bbad$f37a78c0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Not to answer R.J. but to ask a question of my brothers here ... Does anyone really give a sh## where Tandberg is based or if Maxell still make R2R tapes, or if new cassette decks are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? If NO, please answer the following question: What kind of music do you really love to hear most of all on your Nakamichi? If YES, please get a life and come back again once you've found one, when you can answer the question above! :¬) With love and respect ... to almost everybody! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 02 April 2001 18:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my comments, and i know they are true. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Mon Apr 2 20:47:49 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:47:49 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] Timers In-Reply-To: <30456296.986227578800.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Message-ID: Hi, On 02-Apr-01 jpalisoc at excite.com wrote: > Some of my favorite radio shows start past my bedtime. What do you folks > use/recommend for low cost timing devices? Depends maybe what show you mean. I'll record most of the radio shows (i.e. crime stories, things like Lord of the Rings etc.) on my computer and compress them automatically to mp3 for keeping. In Linux it's very easy to automate things at a specific time. To accompany that I got a technics tuner with timer functions including channel switching. Only 3 timing programs, but that usually is enough. Some time ago I used the Nak (505) on a timer -- it was the only HiFi unit with a automatic record or automatic play function on power on. At that time I got a raio controlled[1] clock which had 2 fully programmable timer switch channels from something like radio shack here in Germany. Since the RX505 will run the motors as soon as it's switched on I used the timer to switch on and off -- didn't want to wear the motors and belts more then necessary. K.-H. [1] radio controlled does not mean switching by radio -- in Europe is a transmitter sending out a very precise time signal and these (now very common) watches recieve it to always show the accurate time. ----------------------------- Karl-Heinz Herrmann E-Mail: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de ----------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 2 22:56:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:56:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <3AC8E777.4B668FEC@concentric.net> While Bose has a bad rep among audiophiles, their products aren't necessarily bad. They are just ridiculously overpriced for what they deliver. The mediocre product quality is made up for by outrageous claims in the aggressive advertising. This strategy (mundane Engineering coupled with innovative Marketing) has made them into a 2 billion dollar company and one of the most popular Audio companies in the world. An example to this strategy is their 'Wave Radio' (a snazzy name is a pre-requisite for ridiculously overpriced products). It's a decent radio, at 2-3 times the reasonable cost. Their tiny home speakers also exemplify the same approach. As to their car system (IIRC, about 30% of their sales), these are decent systems as car systems go, at typical Bose over-prices. (I listened to one, casually, to compare it to my JBL car system, and found general sound quality to be similar, with slightly better mid range and somewhat less bass impact -- neither enough to worry about). -- Ron Stan Targowski wrote: > > I can see how Nakamichi or Mark Levinson were on option for Lexus LS400 and > LS430 accordingly. 11 speaker McIntosh system in a Subaru Outback 6 cylinder > is something else ... And yes, it looks like a minature McIntosh in dash. I > don't think there is a cassette player in the system though. > > As much as I like tapes, and most of us on this list, the simplicity of CD's > and CD-R's and pure economics are the reason why we do not see more good > cassette players. > > Even though I personally never cared that much for BOSE, I have to admit > that tapes made on my CR-4 sound extremely well in the Nissan-BOSE system in > my car. BOSE people spent significant amount of time to get the whole system > right, so as a whole, it sounds better than a piece meal system in my > previous car with a fancy Alpine tape-deck/head unit. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carlos > Sent: Sun, April 01, 2001 8:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > Well, at least Ron here got my idea ... > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and > seeing the > > > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > > > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > > > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > > > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > > > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and > all > > > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > > > > > > > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What > > you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB > > system, that is far short of audiophile quality > > and the long life of home equipment, but still, > > deemed quite useable by many people. > > > > I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my > > Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the > > SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. > > It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom > > box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that > > it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my > > requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, > > people talking to me all the time, and large distance > > difference from the left and right speakers). As to > > life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or > > 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. > > > > I would probably feel differently if I spent long time > > in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's > > OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Mon Apr 2 23:06:10 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:06:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a life. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 2 23:10:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:10:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Timers References: <30456296.986227578800.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Message-ID: <3AC8EADF.C47610A1@concentric.net> jpalisoc at excite.com wrote: > > Some of my favorite radio shows start past my bedtime. What do you folks > use/recommend for low cost timing devices? I have two tape decks, neither > one auto-reverse. For an hour and a half show, I'm thinking use two timers > with the two decks, set 45 minutes apart, which raises another question: Is > it OK to let the deck run all night after it has auto-stopped? (I've done > this occasionally where I started taping, then gone to bed...) Or should I > use the timer to cut the power?... > > John > New Hyde Park, NY > Because the CR-7 lacks On/Off remote control, I have mine on an X-10 appliance module. It's OK to remove power from it, because it retracts the heads when power disappears. What you could do is power your decks through two X-10 appliance modules and use a timer controller to set the required record/stop times. BTW, this scheme will only work if your decks allow for timer recording. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 2 23:25:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:25:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC8EE39.A4C7B08A@concentric.net> Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. R.J. > Carols seems to be an outspoken individual, which I like. He has always been helpful and friendly (not to mention, highly knowledgeable) in this email list. Disagreement on subject matter is NOT an excuse to launch ad hominem attacks. I am totally turned off by the recent hostility in this thread. We're not here to put each other in our place. Lay off! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 23:27:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:27:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC8EEC3.1DE5BD17@earthlink.net> RJ, your quickly wearing out your welcome here... Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a > life. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 23:36:43 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:36:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure why you need to use this type of dialect to get your point across. We are all 'friends' here that share a common interest. Let's work out differences in an amicable way...without using grade-school recess type behavior. Alex > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, > and answered > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, > since your > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an > idiot. People > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck > for their > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you > oughtta get a > life. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 2 23:42:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:42:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <000b01c0bbad$f37a78c0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AC8F253.3BC940B5@concentric.net> I'm all for discussions, debates and even arguments. I am dead set against turning such disagreements into name calling, personal attacks and/or other gutter behavior. One of the reasons I no longer frequent the NGs dealing with our hobby (audio, home theater, etc.) is the infestation by low quality people that have turned these NGs into cesspools. I'd really be very sorry to see the same thing happen to this great email list. It should be easy to have the most robust argument on the most friendly terms. -- Ron > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Not to answer R.J. but to ask a question of my brothers > here ... > > Does anyone really give a sh## where Tandberg is based or > if Maxell still make R2R tapes, or if new cassette decks > are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really > believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when > it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? > > If NO, please answer the following question: > > What kind of music do you really love to hear most > of all on your Nakamichi? > > If YES, please get a life and come back again once you've > found one, when you can answer the question above! :¬) > > With love and respect ... to almost everybody! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmond at aol.com > Sent: 02 April 2001 18:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on > to car decks > > Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at > least prove me > wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in > Denmark. Maxell Reel to > Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new > cassette decks are > lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are > junk. I stand by my > comments, and i know they are true. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Mon Apr 2 23:42:55 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:42:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: <000b01c0bbad$f37a78c0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402172441.00c38b80@mail.verizon.net> At 4/2/01, you wrote: >Does anyone really give a sh## where Tandberg is based or if Maxell still make R2R tapes I do. I have a TD-20A - fortunately it's working fine, but it's nice to know where I can get parts. Those Maxell tapes are excellent. Nice to know they're still available. BTW you meant to say "shit", right? What's the deal with the ##? What is this, Sesame Street? ... if new cassette decks are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? I live in Manhattan, upper west side. I haven't owned a car in twenty years, but I have a car radio (Sony XR-4257) in my kitchen cabinet, powered by a DC inverter. Sounds great, has a speaker switch to the bathroom. The wow and flutter on cassettes is pretty bad, though. What kind of music do you really love to hear most of all on your Nakamichi? Currently, a first generation master cassette directly off the mixer of the Queens Symphony performing Ellington's Black Brown and Beige Suite and Blues Fantasy. Recorded on my 582 on Sony Metal-ES tape, played on my MR-1 at home. Done with Schoeps and RCA ribbons during a live performance where I provided house sound. _____________________________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 00:15:05 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:15:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Pioneer decks question Message-ID: <3AC8F9E9.4B302A0E@yahoo.com> Hi everyone. It's me Javier formerly japho at cunyvm.cuny.edu now at summarex at yahoo.com. Sorry for the OT but with usenet dying and websearches showing nothing at all, this isthe only place I could think of asking. I just got a Phase Linear 7000 deck based on the Pioneer CT-A1 in the mail and was looking for boards and hardware for it. Can anyone give me an idea about what parts might be shared between the A1 and other Pioneer decks? I just bought a defective F1250 on the chance that something might fit. If not I'll just have to restore both! However I'de like to get the 7000 working again somehow. Thanks Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Apr 2 23:46:00 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:46:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: <3AC8E777.4B668FEC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001b01c0bbbe$4ef4f2b0$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of their rooms. Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > > While Bose has a bad rep among audiophiles, their > products aren't necessarily bad. They are just > ridiculously overpriced for what they deliver. The > mediocre product quality is made up for by outrageous > claims in the aggressive advertising. This strategy > (mundane Engineering coupled with innovative > Marketing) has made them into a 2 billion dollar > company and one of the most popular Audio companies > in the world. > > An example to this strategy is their 'Wave Radio' > (a snazzy name is a pre-requisite for ridiculously > overpriced products). It's a decent radio, at 2-3 > times the reasonable cost. Their tiny home speakers > also exemplify the same approach. > > As to their car system (IIRC, about 30% of their > sales), these are decent systems as car systems go, > at typical Bose over-prices. (I listened to one, > casually, to compare it to my JBL car system, and > found general sound quality to be similar, with > slightly better mid range and somewhat less bass > impact -- neither enough to worry about). > > -- Ron > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > I can see how Nakamichi or Mark Levinson were on option for Lexus LS400 and > > LS430 accordingly. 11 speaker McIntosh system in a Subaru Outback 6 cylinder > > is something else ... And yes, it looks like a minature McIntosh in dash. I > > don't think there is a cassette player in the system though. > > > > As much as I like tapes, and most of us on this list, the simplicity of CD's > > and CD-R's and pure economics are the reason why we do not see more good > > cassette players. > > > > Even though I personally never cared that much for BOSE, I have to admit > > that tapes made on my CR-4 sound extremely well in the Nissan-BOSE system in > > my car. BOSE people spent significant amount of time to get the whole system > > right, so as a whole, it sounds better than a piece meal system in my > > previous car with a fancy Alpine tape-deck/head unit. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carlos > > Sent: Sun, April 01, 2001 8:43 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > Well, at least Ron here got my idea ... > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank You Stephen. I know this is true from working on them, and > > seeing the > > > > decks, and knowing where they come from. Shin Wah is one of the main > > > > cassette decks out there for various companies, May say Panasonic, or > > > > Nakamichi, or Bose, but its really OEM junk. This i know. And when > > > > compared to the great car decks you have just mentioned, they arent even > > > > close. THey play games with the buyers head, with the 10 speakers, and > > all > > > > that kind of stuff, that surrounds the unit. R.J. > > > > > > > > > > I think we may have a misunderstanding here. What > > > you call 'junk' is often a reasonabe quality PB > > > system, that is far short of audiophile quality > > > and the long life of home equipment, but still, > > > deemed quite useable by many people. > > > > > > I happen to have a JBL 'Premium Sound system' on my > > > Solara -- not that I wanted it, but it came with the > > > SE package that I ordered for vehicle related reasons. > > > It sounds decent -- almost as good as my AIWA boom > > > box (at roughly 8 times the cost). I don't care that > > > it doesn't sound like my home system, it meets my > > > requirements for a car (which has high ambient noise, > > > people talking to me all the time, and large distance > > > difference from the left and right speakers). As to > > > life of the system -- it doesn't have to last 15 or > > > 20 years. The car itself won't last that long. > > > > > > I would probably feel differently if I spent long time > > > in the car, alone, on a daily basis. Meanwhile, it's > > > OK. Certainly, it isn't 'junk'. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 2 23:53:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:53:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC8F4EC.18683158@concentric.net> Graham, Please ignore R.J. I am appalled, just like the rest of us. This is my third and *last* response to this thread. I hope Wouter removes R.J. from the list. Until he does, Raayymmond at aol.com goes into my kill file. -- Ron Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a > life. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Apr 3 00:10:22 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:10:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005101c0bbc1$b6fead80$f38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks. The two CD players available in the UK are through Bowers & Wilkins. They're asking £120 for the '5 and £140 for the '7II. Not sure what that is in US dollars. Could be worth taking the risk for the sound and build quality, particularly the seven. Would it sound better than the MB-2 Mk1, or are we splitting hairs here? The latter has dual 20 bit dacs with 8x oversampling, but I know that doesn't guarantee better sound. I've managed to find an ST-7, which I'm looking forward to receiving soon. Cheers, Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, that I > have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is > pretty remarkable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II on > the > > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been > impossible > > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, and > > much > > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > > rational > > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series units > > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the > laser, > > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the > possibility > > > of > > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But I've > > > heard > > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it fails. > > Is > > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber > > > > cleaning. > > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > > stripping > > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets > tape > > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber surface > > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene > plastics(but > > > not > > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you shouldn't > > let > > > > it > > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from > "head > > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more > expensive > > > than > > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and > > > noticed > > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different alcohols > > > mixed > > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on > the > > > > label > > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads and > > it > > > > > worked > > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, > > what > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in advance > > for > > > > an > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 00:15:48 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:15:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <7a.12c7b6fd.27fa5414@aol.com> Hey Ron, Get Bent. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 00:17:08 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:17:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <8.1286e22d.27fa5464@aol.com> Good, You Yuppies aren't my cup of tea anyways. Go Buy a Bridge somewhere, and tell yourselves its worth the money. Morons. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 00:20:30 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:20:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... In-Reply-To: <001b01c0bbbe$4ef4f2b0$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. Alex > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > their rooms. > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 00:20:21 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:20:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Listen, you guys can have your brotherly alliance. I am not looking to win any one of you over. So defend eachother all you want. But dont be so ignorant as to not look at the posts, and see who started with tha language. It was your brother. And no Graham, Carlos, or Ron is going to tell me what to do. You wanna try to act tough behind your emails, that makes you feel like men. Bunch of weasels. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 00:22:22 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:22:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <53.47ae348.27fa559e@aol.com> Wow, marc, i finally see there there is someone who isnt a Stepford here. You seem to have a mind of your own. Congratulations. Glad im not the only one. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 00:25:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:25:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] APRIL FOOL .... In-Reply-To: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c0bbc3$dcff2760$68d9893e@a4s1s2> LOL!!! No guys, no - don't take this guy so seriously. He's not for real. He's just a wind-up merchant. A party pooper. An April Fool joker!!! Not a very funny one, I'll grant you. (That is, his jokes aren't funny. But he is hilarious. LOL!!!) But I'll tell you what - if he wants to make personal insults on me, that's fine - give Carlos a break for a bit, anyway!!! :¬) No problem for me - I've been insulted by experts against whom this guy would be embarrassing in the Willy Contest!!! LOL!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 02 April 2001 22:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a life. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bunch of weasels. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 00:57:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:57:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FOR MARC In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402172441.00c38b80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003b01c0bbc8$5c875440$68d9893e@a4s1s2> [Graham replies ....] See below, Marc -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 02 April 2001 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks At 4/2/01, you wrote: Does anyone really give a sh## where Tandberg is based or if Maxell still make R2R tapes I do. I have a TD-20A - fortunately it's working fine, but it's nice to know where I can get parts. Those Maxell tapes are excellent. Nice to know they're still available. [Graham replies ....] LOL! Point taken, Marc! You got good reason to care! BTW you meant to say "shit", right? What's the deal with the ##? What is this, Sesame Street? [Graham replies ....] No mate, but some people are offended by the use of strong language and I try to be sensitive to that. It's good manners - right? :¬) ... if new cassette decks are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? I live in Manhattan, upper west side. I haven't owned a car in twenty years, but I have a car radio (Sony XR-4257) in my kitchen cabinet, powered by a DC inverter. Sounds great, has a speaker switch to the bathroom. The wow and flutter on cassettes is pretty bad, though. What kind of music do you really love to hear most of all on your Nakamichi? Currently, a first generation master cassette directly off the mixer of the Queens Symphony performing Ellington's Black Brown and Beige Suite and Blues Fantasy. Recorded on my 582 on Sony Metal-ES tape, played on my MR-1 at home. Done with Schoeps and RCA ribbons during a live performance where I provided house sound. [Graham replies ....] Oh, man! What a fabulous thing to have recorded! (Although, I'm not familiar with Queens Symphony.) You must get a lot of pleasure out of listening to that, as you must have done in getting the recording in the first place ... _____________________________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 00:58:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:58:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c0bbc8$5e110180$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Hang on Alex - give me more time to trace his location ..... ho! ho! :¬) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: 02 April 2001 23:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Wouter....let's get rid of this pest. Alex > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Tue Apr 3 00:58:11 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:58:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <022101c0bbc8$65644fa0$25021fac@brianm> Alex, Wow, you had me rolling, to funny!!! I have heard the Wave Radio, but it wasn't any great audition. My boss has one in her office. When up there one day I noticed it and when I mentioned it she cranked it up, proudly I must say. It sounded pretty decent for a table top radio, but as stated, $350 (or whatever they cost) is a bit steep. Most agree the Kloss 88 sounds as good or better for much less. I mentioned it to my local stereo salesman, he had it for lunch!! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > Alex > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > their rooms. > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Apr 3 01:12:03 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:12:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <46.12cef82d.27fa1273@aol.com> Message-ID: <009301c0bbca$550431a0$cc06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks This has gone way too far. If you can't play nice, play elsewhere. Kevin Rogers > Grahm, You dont know what abuse is my friend. Dont ever try to repromand > me, I dont take crap from you or anyone else. So you back off, Loser! R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 01:17:24 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:17:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <30.12c0c414.27fa6284@aol.com> no need to trace....New Jersey. Wanna put me in my place?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 01:26:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:26:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <3AC90A9C.AF4131DE@concentric.net> Bose puts a couple of tiny speakers on the two ends of a labyrinth -- that speaker enclosure 'technology' was mentioned ia a book on sound reproduction from the 50s of last century -- there is nothing new about it. The Marketing, though, is very up-to-date. I recently saw a Bose demo booth in the mall nearby. They put the radio in an enclosed space the size of a kennel... No wonder it was resounding. People were really impressed. Me, I have an AIWA boom box that sounds far, far better and includes AM/FM, CD player and dual cassette wells with a remote control. It cost 180 bucks. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > Alex > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > their rooms. > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 01:27:18 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:27:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Tough to play nice with a bunch of spoiled kids. Its my ball, you cant play with it. Thats what im up against. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Apr 3 01:54:24 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:54:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? In-Reply-To: <8.1286e22d.27fa5464@aol.com> Message-ID: Raayymmond - please help me out. What is your point here? On the one hand you seem to have some good points and comments on things, then, you just explode. This is a relatively peaceful on-line community. There are fights, there are disagreements, but this whole AKAI GX-F 95 trend is going a little too far. Gosh, I remember once recently mentioning word AKAI, in response to someone else's inquiry, and got flamed for it - now we have close to a hundred e-mails with that word in the title - Maurits is this your revenge for me talking about AKAI, is RAAYYMMOND your high-tech AOL screen name - I promise not to bring up AKAI name again then. Should I read your message below and understand that I am a moron too? Are all members of this e-mail group morons? Please, no need for smart ass comments here - OK, maybe a Pollack joke would be appropriate ... Please take this note as some constructive criticism. Stan the Polish Moron -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: Mon, April 02, 2001 5:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Good, You Yuppies aren't my cup of tea anyways. Go Buy a Bridge somewhere, and tell yourselves its worth the money. Morons. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 01:59:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:59:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A True Story? In-Reply-To: <30.12c0c414.27fa6284@aol.com> Message-ID: <004901c0bbd0$f5311480$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Guys Remember when we saw one of those gold Dragons? Well, I made an "unusual" friend who gave me a holiday in - a hem! - somewhere in South America, and he's got one. In fact, he's got two. Why two? Well, he could afford it and he thought .... why not? The guy is rolling in $'s and I expect you can guess why. How he comes to befriend me ... I don't know! Me, I'm a fairly ordinary guy. (Okay - may be not totally ordinary - I mean, a guy who gets close to terrorists so as he can write a novel about them may be not totally ordinary! But you know me - I'm not Mr Richie Rich.) But hey! I wasn't going to argue about being this guy's friend for a week! Know what I mean? You don't insult these guys because these people throw away more money in a day than the likes of most of us earns in a whole year ... and you know how much it costs to have someone's leg broken? With that kind of money, why stop at the leg?! So, you laugh at their jokes and don't get into a fight! LOL! :¬) And anyway, if you put aside what the guy does, you can find someone who is great company - likes good music, writes excellent poetry and can wax lyrical for hours about his Nakamichi Dragon recordings ... (And I'm not saying that just because he's probably reading these posts!) So, where did I meet this 2 x Golden Dragon owner? You've guessed? On the web. In a Club, not dissimilar to this one. That's what's amazing about the web ... you never know who it is you are talking to. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 03 April 2001 00:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks no need to trace....New Jersey. Wanna put me in my place?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:15:21 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:15:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <001b01c0bbd3$2c9798c0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Leave it alone, Alex. Always happens with the "new kid on the block". Now we all know ... Take care ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > I'm not sure why you need to use this type of dialect to get your point > across. We are all 'friends' here that share a common interest. Let's work > out differences in an amicable way...without using grade-school recess type > behavior. > > Alex > > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, > > and answered > > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, > > since your > > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an > > idiot. People > > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck > > for their > > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you > > oughtta get a > > life. R.J. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Apr 3 02:16:02 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:16:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? References: Message-ID: <027d01c0bbd3$46080c40$25021fac@brianm> >Maurits is this your revenge for me talking about AKAI, is RAAYYMMOND your high-tech AOL screen name - I promise not to bring up AKAI name again then. You guys are on a roll...keep it up, I was having a bad evening, posts like above give me the chuckles I need! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? > Raayymmond - please help me out. What is your point here? On the one hand > you seem to have some good points and comments on things, then, you just > explode. > > This is a relatively peaceful on-line community. There are fights, there are > disagreements, but this whole AKAI GX-F 95 trend is going a little too far. > > Gosh, I remember once recently mentioning word AKAI, in response to someone > else's inquiry, and got flamed for it - now we have close to a hundred > e-mails with that word in the title - Maurits is this your revenge for me > talking about AKAI, is RAAYYMMOND your high-tech AOL screen name - I promise > not to bring up AKAI name again then. > > Should I read your message below and understand that I am a moron too? Are > all members of this e-mail group morons? Please, no need for smart ass > comments here - OK, maybe a Pollack joke would be appropriate ... Please > take this note as some constructive criticism. > > Stan the Polish Moron > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmond at aol.com > Sent: Mon, April 02, 2001 5:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Good, You Yuppies aren't my cup of tea anyways. Go Buy a Bridge somewhere, > and tell yourselves its worth the money. Morons. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:17:44 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:17:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <002101c0bbd3$81c77540$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Ha, Ha, Ha !!!! You got that right again, Alex. You know what ? I don't like BOSE either but I admire their propaganda genius ! They are the number one selling domestic speaker in the world by far. They sell over $600 million dollars a year followed by Klipsch with less than $400 !!!!!! With those numbers who's gonna care about quality ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > Alex > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > their rooms. > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:19:19 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:19:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <002d01c0bbd3$ba05a6c0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! Now you are making me laugh in tears !!!!! Perhaps we need some Real Kill or something !!!!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Wouter....let's get rid of this pest. > > Alex > > > > Listen, you guys can have your brotherly alliance. I am not > > looking to win > > any one of you over. So defend eachother all you want. But dont be so > > ignorant as to not look at the posts, and see who started with > > tha language. > > It was your brother. And no Graham, Carlos, or Ron is going to > > tell me what > > to do. You wanna try to act tough behind your emails, that makes > > you feel > > like men. Bunch of weasels. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:25:53 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:25:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <000b01c0bbad$f37a78c0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <006401c0bbd4$a50c9520$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Mostly Contemporary Jazz, Graham. But I listen Rock too. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Not to answer R.J. but to ask a question of my brothers here ... Does anyone really give a sh## where Tandberg is based or if Maxell still make R2R tapes, or if new cassette decks are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? If NO, please answer the following question: What kind of music do you really love to hear most of all on your Nakamichi? If YES, please get a life and come back again once you've found one, when you can answer the question above! :¬) With love and respect ... to almost everybody! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 02 April 2001 18:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my comments, and i know they are true. 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Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] APRIL FOOL .... LOL!!! No guys, no - don't take this guy so seriously. He's not for real. He's just a wind-up merchant. A party pooper. An April Fool joker!!! Not a very funny one, I'll grant you. (That is, his jokes aren't funny. But he is hilarious. LOL!!!) But I'll tell you what - if he wants to make personal insults on me, that's fine - give Carlos a break for a bit, anyway!!! :¬) No problem for me - I've been insulted by experts against whom this guy would be embarrassing in the Willy Contest!!! LOL!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Raayymmond at aol.com Sent: 02 April 2001 22:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a life. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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People were >really impressed. > >Me, I have an AIWA boom box that sounds far, far >better and includes AM/FM, CD player and dual >cassette wells with a remote control. It cost 180 >bucks. > >-- Ron KLH made a beautiful sounding little radio, as well as a separate stereo adapter and speaker to martch. That was a small work of art. Elegant, simple, and sounded exceptional for its size. I think it was the model 21. Occasionally turns up on eBay. __________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:32:36 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:32:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008601c0bbd5$9516c720$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Nope, I already gave up this bullshit. Time is too precious to trash it away ... but I really appreciate your suggestion. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > Thanks. > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > Carlos, > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:34:23 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:34:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008c01c0bbd5$d4e54fc0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Jim, now I have to suggest you, with all due respect, to keep this transaction in private, you know ... Thanks ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer CT-F1250 you > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically or > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear the > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I didn't > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to you in > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping damage > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They shouldn't. > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer to > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > negligence is repulsive. > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for was in > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never bid $219 > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > doesn't make it worth any less. > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't want the > deck, I want my $219. > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > > to you. > > > > Brian > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > > So read between the lines. 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URL: From brianm at grar.com Tue Apr 3 02:37:09 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:37:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: <002101c0bbd3$81c77540$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <029f01c0bbd6$3966ae80$25021fac@brianm> ...yeah, nothing worse than someone coming over, looking at your system, pointing to your speakers and asking, "Are they Bose?"! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > Ha, Ha, Ha !!!! You got that right again, Alex. You know what ? I don't like > BOSE either but I admire their propaganda genius ! They are the number one > selling domestic speaker in the world by far. They sell over $600 million > dollars a year followed by Klipsch with less than $400 !!!!!! > > With those numbers who's gonna care about quality ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:20 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in > Nissan-BOSE system ... > > > > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I > already > > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the > grand > > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty > stupid, > > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in > Brownsurg > > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. > "Heyall > > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE > claims > > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > > > Alex > > > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > > their rooms. > > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried > them, > > > they weren't convinced either. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:39:57 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:39:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape References: <98.12cdc79a.27fa1189@aol.com> Message-ID: <00be01c0bbd6$9bdfba20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Sure! and after all you guys get tired of shopping around, call NRS at 1-800-538-2336 and you'll got the best price. Guaranteed ! Remember, more volume, less cost, better prices ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape > Here are a few numbers for open reel tape. My favorite is Christec Media > 1-800-774-1457, ask for Larry. There is also Arcal at 1-800-272-2591, and > Recording Media in Fla, at 1-954-791-9797. Burlington Audio Video at > 1-800-331-3191. Also, if you do a Google Search for Blank Audio Tapes, or > Recording Media, you will find plenty of sources to buy Open Reel tapes in > 1/4 inch format. From Maxell, BASF, Quantegy, etc.... R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:48:05 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:48:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: <3AC90A9C.AF4131DE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00ec01c0bbd7$befba720$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Ron, I agree. BUT now we can all see how important is the genius of advertising in a capitalism empire. I really admire those "guys " ! Remember the Polk Campaing ? Matthew Polk looking as a nerd besides his speakers ? Drove his company to a solid 3rd. place in those years. Just behind Klipsch and Bose. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > > Bose puts a couple of tiny speakers on the two ends > of a labyrinth -- that speaker enclosure 'technology' > was mentioned ia a book on sound reproduction from > the 50s of last century -- there is nothing new about > it. The Marketing, though, is very up-to-date. > > I recently saw a Bose demo booth in the mall nearby. > They put the radio in an enclosed space the size of > a kennel... No wonder it was resounding. People were > really impressed. > > Me, I have an AIWA boom box that sounds far, far > better and includes AM/FM, CD player and dual > cassette wells with a remote control. It cost 180 > bucks. > > -- Ron > > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already > > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand > > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, > > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg > > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall > > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims > > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > > > Alex > > > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > > their rooms. > > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 02:56:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:56:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? References: Message-ID: <010001c0bbd8$f34fd7c0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Ha, !!! Stan the Polish Moron, you really got style. Look, last Sunday I was at the Ball park watching the opening of the major league baseball in Puerto Rico. Well, we were honored ... Texas Rangers against Toronto Blue Jays. Everything was ok until tha PA system start barking ... oh ! poor me, I couldn't enjoyed the rest of the game because the speakers were pure "garbage" and I would prefer some Meyer Sound. Then, I went to my german car, by the way not an sports one, but just a family coupe. I couldn't enjoyed the ride because my Cassette player is a damm OEM garbage ... poor me ... Then, I arrived home and discarded a fine scotch whiskey that Graham send me because I poured it in a cheap crystal glass ! ... SHIT ! I guess that's why we have all been called MORONS ! The Tape Man > Should I read your message below and understand that I am a moron too? Are > all members of this e-mail group morons? Please, no need for smart ass > comments here - OK, maybe a Pollack joke would be appropriate ... Please > take this note as some constructive criticism. > > Stan the Polish Moron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Carlos wrote: > > Jim, now I have to suggest you, with all due respect, to keep this > transaction in private, you know ... > > Thanks ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer > CT-F1250 you > > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically > or > > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear > the > > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I > didn't > > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to > you in > > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping > damage > > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They > shouldn't. > > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer > to > > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > > negligence is repulsive. > > > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for > was in > > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never > bid $219 > > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > > doesn't make it worth any less. > > > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't > want the > > deck, I want my $219. > > > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume > you either > > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the > collective about the > > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers > and your > > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, > would not have sold > > > to you. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please > do ao > > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share > and enjoy > > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others > here, > > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to > behave this > > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your > place. > > > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 03:05:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:05:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Black Box References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42600C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <018701c0bba4$285a2180$25021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <04e601c0bbda$2439b440$323442cf@sank1> Actual "Black Box" was a series of accessory units that the deck could provide power to. They were, as I can recall, the MX-100 3-ch mic mixer(great piece), BA-100 bridging adaptor, MB-100 MC head amp, EC-100 crossover(another cool piece), and SF-100 subsonic filter. There was also the PS-100 power supply for those with decks lacking the power jack. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Black Box > If I am correct, this is for the IR remote control box that you can attach > to the ZX-7. Sam sent a link for one being auctioned a couple days ago. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Black Box > > > > Guys, > > > > excuse my ignorance, but what the heck is the Black Box? There's a > DC-output > > in the back of my ZX-7 for the thing... It may seem funny, but I've just > > noticed it, so this is why I'm asking. > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 3 03:13:12 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:13:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> I'm not one to jump into other people's business, but you really have no idea what you are talking about and I doubt that anyone has written with any comments regarding Carlos' behavior. He is a great asset to this group and I believe that you were really the one to start what is easily considered a fairly antagonistic run of comments with a heavy handed blanket statement of all current auto decks being junk. Quite frankly I couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but I do get sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to be some kind of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to bed and get on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take it outside the list. Ed Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > Carlos, > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > So read between the lines. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 03:14:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:14:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> <005101c0bbc1$b6fead80$f38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <051301c0bbdb$7f50af40$323442cf@sank1> Having just a few weeks ago wired money to B&W for some discontinued 1000ZXL chips, I can say that the price on the 5 is too high, but that in the 7II is quite reasonable. I'd take that over an MB-2, but not over a CDPlayer2. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Thanks. The two CD players available in the UK are through Bowers & > Wilkins. They're asking �120 for the '5 and �140 for the '7II. Not sure > what that is in US dollars. Could be worth taking the risk for the sound > and build quality, particularly the seven. Would it sound better than the > MB-2 Mk1, or are we splitting hairs here? The latter has dual 20 bit dacs > with 8x oversampling, but I know that doesn't guarantee better sound. > > I've managed to find an ST-7, which I'm looking forward to receiving soon. > > Cheers, Sinclair. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, that > I > > have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is > > pretty remarkable. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II on > > the > > > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > > > > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been > > impossible > > > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, > and > > > much > > > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > > > rational > > > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series units > > > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the > > laser, > > > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the > > possibility > > > > of > > > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But > I've > > > > heard > > > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it > fails. > > > Is > > > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & rubber > > > > > cleaning. > > > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for most > > > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > > > stripping > > > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only gets > > tape > > > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber > surface > > > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene > > plastics(but > > > > not > > > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you > shouldn't > > > let > > > > > it > > > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from > > "head > > > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more > > expensive > > > > than > > > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store and > > > > noticed > > > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different > alcohols > > > > mixed > > > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings on > > the > > > > > label > > > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads > and > > > it > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. However, > > > what > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in > advance > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 03:18:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:18:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: Message-ID: <051d01c0bbdc$042affe0$323442cf@sank1> I've heard better Sanyo ghetto blasters than the "wave radio". Bose & his engineering team(is that an oxymoron?) couldn't design a respectable product even with a 2 million dollar retail price goal. I haven't seen every product they've made, but, of the many, many I have seen, not one of them was even remotely well built or well designed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I already > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the grand > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty stupid, > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in Brownsurg > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. "Heyall > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE claims > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > Alex > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > their rooms. > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound very > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried them, > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 3 03:23:54 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:23:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <3AC92629.3C8060F7@snet.net> It's not what you say... it's how you say it. You are a mean spirited loser and as far as I'm concerned an invidious pariah within this generally very well mannered community. True or not true, I have no respect for your information and would rather do the research myself simply because I have no respect for you. Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me > wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to > Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are > lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my > comments, and i know they are true. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 03:27:03 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:27:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... References: <002101c0bbd3$81c77540$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <029f01c0bbd6$3966ae80$25021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000901c0bbdd$30a59b60$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Yep, I have felt that way too ! Ha !!!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE system ... > ...yeah, nothing worse than someone coming over, looking at your system, > pointing to your speakers and asking, "Are they Bose?"! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in > Nissan-BOSE system ... > > > > Ha, Ha, Ha !!!! You got that right again, Alex. You know what ? I don't > like > > BOSE either but I admire their propaganda genius ! They are the number one > > selling domestic speaker in the world by far. They sell over $600 million > > dollars a year followed by Klipsch with less than $400 !!!!!! > > > > With those numbers who's gonna care about quality ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:20 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in > > Nissan-BOSE system ... > > > > > > > The BOSE Wave Radio commercial with whats-his-name did it for me. I > > already > > > hated BOSE crap...but I was laughing out loud when they were expecting > > > people at home to 'hear the sound quality of the BOSE compared to the > > grand > > > piano' through their 3-inch full range driver in the back of their > > > television. How stuuuupid is the american consumer? I guess pretty > > stupid, > > > for the most part. I was insulted...but I gather Billy Joe Bob in > > Brownsurg > > > Indiana (don't flame...I'm from Indiana) was sitting there in awe. > > "Heyall > > > hun...it sayounds da saim az that thar painer....d'ya hears it?" > > > > > > Has anyone heard one of these Wave Radio's? I'd like to hear an > > > audio-guru's un-biased opinion on the sound of that technology. BOSE > > claims > > > they spent 1 million-thousand years 'developing' and 'perfecting' it. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > I was at a Bose demo the other week, 5 channels etc, in one of > > > > their rooms. > > > > Terrible sound at way to high a level. Even their $1200 901's sound > very > > > > thick, distorted. I remember years back when Hi-Fi News mag. tried > > them, > > > > they weren't convinced either. Sorry Dr. Bose. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 03:31:03 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:31:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> Message-ID: <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Don't worry Ed ! ... Now, how's your new Moscode amplifier doing ? I'm anxious to receive my pair from Stephen and test it in my mastering room. By the way, have someone has heard of the Duntech Sovereign speakers ? Have you, Ed ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > I'm not one to jump into other people's business, but you really have no idea what you > are talking about and I doubt that anyone has written with any comments regarding > Carlos' behavior. He is a great asset to this group and I believe that you were really > the one to start what is easily considered a fairly antagonistic run of comments with > a heavy handed blanket statement of all current auto decks being junk. Quite frankly I > couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but I do get > sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to be some kind > of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to bed and get > on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take it outside > the list. > > Ed > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > Carlos, > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 03:32:14 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:32:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> <008c01c0bbd5$d4e54fc0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92120.1054AFC9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002101c0bbdd$ea3544e0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Thanks, Jim. Sorry for getting in your business and thanks again for the info. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > I understand your point completely, Carlos. The only I went public with this > information is because I know a lot of the guys on this forum buy on ebay, and > this being a Nakamichi user group and all... Well, I don't anyone here to > get ripped off by this guy. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Jim, now I have to suggest you, with all due respect, to keep this > > transaction in private, you know ... > > > > Thanks ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > > > > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > > > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer > > CT-F1250 you > > > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically > > or > > > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear > > the > > > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I > > didn't > > > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to > > you in > > > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping > > damage > > > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They > > shouldn't. > > > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer > > to > > > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > > > negligence is repulsive. > > > > > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for > > was in > > > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never > > bid $219 > > > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > > > doesn't make it worth any less. > > > > > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't > > want the > > > deck, I want my $219. > > > > > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume > > you either > > > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the > > collective about the > > > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers > > and your > > > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, > > would not have sold > > > > to you. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please > > do ao > > > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share > > and enjoy > > > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others > > here, > > > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to > > behave this > > > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your > > place. > > > > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 03:34:17 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:34:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? Message-ID: <003101c0bbde$3357cda0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Just a question ? Does anyone knows what ever happened to the Golden Tube Audio company ? Stephen told me that they flew away and left everybody hanging ? Anyone has a clue ? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 03:38:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:38:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <3AC92629.3C8060F7@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AC92987.6E4A52D1@concentric.net> Having received another personal email concerning R.J., it has occurred to me that if we *all* totally ignore this... er... gentleman, he is guaranteed to slither away. It's very easy. Just filter him out. Kill-file him. Then... bliss. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > It's not what you say... it's how you say it. You are > a mean spirited loser and as far as I'm concerned an > invidious pariah within this generally very well > mannered community. True or not true, I have no respect > for your information and would rather do the research > myself simply because I have no respect for you. > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me > > wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to > > Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are > > lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my > > comments, and i know they are true. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm anxious to receive my pair > from Stephen and test it in my mastering room. By the way, have someone has > heard of the Duntech Sovereign speakers ? > > Have you, Ed ? > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > I'm not one to jump into other people's business, but you really have no > idea what you > > are talking about and I doubt that anyone has written with any comments > regarding > > Carlos' behavior. He is a great asset to this group and I believe that you > were really > > the one to start what is easily considered a fairly antagonistic run of > comments with > > a heavy handed blanket statement of all current auto decks being junk. > Quite frankly I > > couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but > I do get > > sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to > be some kind > > of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to > bed and get > > on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take > it outside > > the list. > > > > Ed > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave > this > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your > place. > > > So read between the lines. R.J. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Tue Apr 3 03:58:32 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:58:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? In-Reply-To: <003101c0bbde$3357cda0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402215813.00bf58a0@mail.verizon.net> >Does anyone knows what ever happened to the Golden Tube Audio company ? http://www.lyricusa.com/golden_tube_audio.htm _____________________ MS ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 04:12:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:12:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3AC9317D.12D5152B@earthlink.net> ooops... Try this: http://www.dunlavyaudio.com/ Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hi Carlos, > > If I'm not mistaken, Duntech was John Dunlavy's old pro audio company. His new > company, Dunlavy Audio Labs, makes some very well respected audiophile speakers. > Here is the website address. You may find some Duntech information there. I > think his studio monitors use similar designs to his current home speakers. > > Good luck, > > Jim Volpatti > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Don't worry Ed ! ... > > > > Now, how's your new Moscode amplifier doing ? I'm anxious to receive my pair > > from Stephen and test it in my mastering room. By the way, have someone has > > heard of the Duntech Sovereign speakers ? > > > > Have you, Ed ? > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Noyes" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > I'm not one to jump into other people's business, but you really have no > > idea what you > > > are talking about and I doubt that anyone has written with any comments > > regarding > > > Carlos' behavior. He is a great asset to this group and I believe that you > > were really > > > the one to start what is easily considered a fairly antagonistic run of > > comments with > > > a heavy handed blanket statement of all current auto decks being junk. > > Quite frankly I > > > couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but > > I do get > > > sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to > > be some kind > > > of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to > > bed and get > > > on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take > > it outside > > > the list. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave > > this > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your > > place. > > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 04:16:21 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:16:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <000901c0bbe4$14054080$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Yep, and it has been so for many years now with no serious contender, believe me .... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] BOSE > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > products in other industries being #1. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 04:17:21 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:17:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <000d01c0bbe4$37379120$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Before we sold Professional Audio, I use to spoke with the Klipsch manager for this region, Mr. Bob Gassell, and he told me that BOSE was really, really big !!!! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] BOSE > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > products in other industries being #1. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 04:19:25 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:19:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001d01c0bbe4$817f11e0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Yes, I just contacted Duntech in Australia and the prices amazed me. Very good. Perhaps that's why the Dunlavy's looks similar. Thanks for the input ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > Hi Carlos, > > If I'm not mistaken, Duntech was John Dunlavy's old pro audio company. His new > company, Dunlavy Audio Labs, makes some very well respected audiophile speakers. > Here is the website address. You may find some Duntech information there. I > think his studio monitors use similar designs to his current home speakers. > > Good luck, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Don't worry Ed ! ... > > > > Now, how's your new Moscode amplifier doing ? I'm anxious to receive my pair > > from Stephen and test it in my mastering room. By the way, have someone has > > heard of the Duntech Sovereign speakers ? > > > > Have you, Ed ? > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Noyes" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > I'm not one to jump into other people's business, but you really have no > > idea what you > > > are talking about and I doubt that anyone has written with any comments > > regarding > > > Carlos' behavior. He is a great asset to this group and I believe that you > > were really > > > the one to start what is easily considered a fairly antagonistic run of > > comments with > > > a heavy handed blanket statement of all current auto decks being junk. > > Quite frankly I > > > couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but > > I do get > > > sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to > > be some kind > > > of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to > > bed and get > > > on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take > > it outside > > > the list. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave > > this > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your > > place. > > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 04:20:24 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:20:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <3AC92629.3C8060F7@snet.net> <3AC92987.6E4A52D1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002701c0bbe4$a48fd0c0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Agree ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > Having received another personal email concerning > R.J., it has occurred to me that if we *all* totally > ignore this... er... gentleman, he is guaranteed to > slither away. It's very easy. Just filter him out. > Kill-file him. Then... bliss. > > -- Ron > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > It's not what you say... it's how you say it. You are > > a mean spirited loser and as far as I'm concerned an > > invidious pariah within this generally very well > > mannered community. True or not true, I have no respect > > for your information and would rather do the research > > myself simply because I have no respect for you. > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > Grahm, Carlos, If you are going to try to confront me, at least prove me > > > wrong, as i have done with you. Tandberg is not in Denmark. Maxell Reel to > > > Reel tapes are still made, and still available. And new cassette decks are > > > lousy quality in build, and in specs. Yes, they are junk. I stand by my > > > comments, and i know they are true. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 04:22:05 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402215813.00bf58a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003301c0bbe4$e0e649a0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Thanks Marc. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? > > >Does anyone knows what ever happened to the Golden Tube Audio company ? > > http://www.lyricusa.com/golden_tube_audio.htm > > _____________________ MS > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:31:52 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:31:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are... Message-ID: Ok Meathead! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:37:46 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:37:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: <73.c62947f.27fa917a@aol.com> Yeah....but no Maxell. they dont make tapes anymore....LOL ok ill call them ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 04:37:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:37:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> <001d01c0bbe4$817f11e0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3AC93774.E52A9520@earthlink.net> Does Duntech have a website? Carlos wrote: > > Yes, I just contacted Duntech in Australia and the prices amazed me. Very > good. Perhaps that's why the Dunlavy's looks similar. Thanks for the input ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > If I'm not mistaken, Duntech was John Dunlavy's old pro audio company. His > new > > company, Dunlavy Audio Labs, makes some very well respected audiophile > speakers. > > Here is the website address. You may find some Duntech information there. > I > > think his studio monitors use similar designs to his current home > speakers. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 04:39:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:39:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > products in other industries being #1. > > Alex > Better believe it! Bose Marketing is right up there with some of the best in the world. Carver wasn't so bad, either. Wonder about other industries? Look at cereals. Guess how come they sell at 500% markup? Look at diamonds. did know they sell at around 400% profit? It all boils down to the purpose of advertising. Most people miss it (thinking that it's to increase market share, brand recognition, whatever. All true, but...) -- the major purpose is to enable manufacturers to increase prices. In Capitalistic cultures, charging as much as the traffic will bear is considered goodness and smart. Prices are set by how much people are willing to pay for a product and, that, in turn, depends on how much they want the product. There are clear, mathematical ways to calculate the optimum price (meaning, the price that will generate the highest profit) for a product. Not surprising, this price is a function of (among other factors) expenditure on advertising. Today, you can sell almost anything, at almost any price, given enough advertising dollars. How do you think did Bush become a president? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:39:42 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:39:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are... Message-ID: Time to demagnetize your Liver... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:41:25 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:41:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <9d.137e4f8a.27fa9255@aol.com> Ok Ed. Mr Ed??? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:42:26 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:42:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <60.d045e80.27fa9292@aol.com> Now that is no way to talk about Carlos.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:43:55 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:43:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: True Ron, Im on my way out. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:46:08 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:46:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <6a.cb3a53a.27fa9370@aol.com> Marc Stager you dork. Big deal to be raving about your stupid 582 model and Sony ES metal tape. And yes, I played it back on MR1, he, he, he. You guys suck. What a bunch o morons. At 4/2/01, you wrote: > is based or if Maxell still make R2R tapes I do. I have a TD-20A - fortunately it's working fine, but it's nice to know where I can get parts. Those Maxell tapes are excellent. Nice to know they're still available. BTW you meant to say "shit", right? What's the deal with the ##? What is this, Sesame Street? ... if new cassette decks are lousy quality in build and spec??? Does anyone really believe it matters how good or bad a tape deck is when it's in a damned noisy car with crap accoustics??? I live in Manhattan, upper west side. I haven't owned a car in twenty years, but I have a car radio (Sony XR-4257) in my kitchen cabinet, powered by a DC inverter. Sounds great, has a speaker switch to the bathroom. The wow and flutter on cassettes is pretty bad, though. What kind of music do you really love to hear most of all on your Nakamichi? Currently, a first generation master cassette directly off the mixer of the Queens Symphony performing Ellington's Black Brown and Beige Suite and Blues Fantasy. Recorded on my 582 on Sony Metal-ES tape, played on my MR-1 at home. Done with Schoeps and RCA ribbons during a live performance where I provided house sound. _____________________________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Tue Apr 3 04:52:58 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:52:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3AC93AFE.F6B105DB@pacbell.net> Jim, I have given you every opportunity and gone to every effort to empower you to get your claim from FEDEX for trashing the deck. And, no, my packing was not like yours because if it had been so, it would have arrived smashed when you received it. I was willing to give you a refund (not your average ebay experience) but to expect a refund for a smashed unit which you did not have the care to pack correctly for a safe return is absurd. Naktalk, in which I am a fairly regular participant is not a forum for your recent vindictive post and nobody gives a crap about our transaction. Furthermore, you would never get tape to source parity from any hi end pioneer. One buys a vintage pioneer for exactly what it is "VINTAGE". I just sold an sx1980 for nearly $2000. Is it anything close to a mcintosh or a Nak receiver? Absolutely not! Don't use this forum to try to smear my business with assertions that I offered to take a hammer to something. Your whining makes me sick. I have found that the more you are willing to give or give back to a buyer the more they expect. Keep your bile out of this forum and when you expect a refund be sure to return it in same condition as received. All of us would expect nothing less. And the answer to your question is I was man enough to refund your money until you returned a smashed piece of junk. By the way, it is essentially yours and I would be happy to return it to you. Sincerely, Brian Jim Volpatti wrote: > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer CT-F1250 you > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically or > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear the > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I didn't > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to you in > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping damage > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They shouldn't. > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer to > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > negligence is repulsive. > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for was in > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never bid $219 > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > doesn't make it worth any less. > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't want the > deck, I want my $219. > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > Jim Volpatti > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > > to you. > > > > Brian > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > > So read between the lines. R.J. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:50:57 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:50:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: You morons. I hate car stereos made by Bose, guess Guzman loves them. However, their original 901 system when tweaked with special capacitors was one of the best on the market. Come over to Jersey and listen to my TD20 (made in Denmark, he) running awesome Maxell tape, and you will know what I am talking about. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quite frankly I couldn't give a care about current automotive decks or this thread... but I do get sick of seeing 40 emails in my box and having a third of them turn out to be some kind of childish who gets to have the last word kind of thing... just put it to bed and get on with something constructive for the benefit of everyone here... or take it outside the list. Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 04:59:00 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:59:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Carlito - I know you are to chicken shit to sit around and not say anything. You will have to explode Mr. President, Golden Globe producer. Ron, trying to ignore me. Good luck. R.J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:04:42 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:04:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 Message-ID: I have a pristine condition JVC TDV1050 for sale. This is basically a ZX9 made by JVC for their DIGIFINE line. According to my measurements can do 25khz at +/- 3db. Better than most NAKS. $800. R.J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 05:13:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:13:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402215813.00bf58a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <05d101c0bbec$07bbd480$323442cf@sank1> That link just seems to be Lyric Hifi selling their last few Golden Tube pieces, without a word about the company's demise. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? > > >Does anyone knows what ever happened to the Golden Tube Audio company ? > > http://www.lyricusa.com/golden_tube_audio.htm > > _____________________ MS > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:20:22 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:20:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Jim - take your stupid dispute off this list. I am tired of getting all your stupid messages. Jim, I have given you every opportunity and gone to every effort to empower you to get your claim from FEDEX for trashing the deck. And, no, my packing was not like yours because if it had been so, it would have arrived smashed when you received it. I was willing to give you a refund (not your average ebay experience) but to expect a refund for a smashed unit which you did not have the care to pack correctly for a safe return is absurd. Naktalk, in which I am a fairly regular participant is not a forum for your recent vindictive post and nobody gives a crap about our transaction. Furthermore, you would never get tape to source parity from any hi end pioneer. One buys a vintage pioneer for exactly what it is "VINTAGE". I just sold an sx1980 for nearly $2000. Is it anything close to a mcintosh or a Nak receiver? Absolutely not! Don't use this forum to try to smear my business with assertions that I offered to take a hammer to something. Your whining makes me sick. I have found that the more you are willing to give or give back to a buyer the more they expect. Keep your bile out of this forum and when you expect a refund be sure to return it in same condition as received. All of us would expect nothing less. And the answer to your question is I was man enough to refund your money until you returned a smashed piece of junk. By the way, it is essentially yours and I would be happy to return it to you. Sincerely, Brian Jim Volpatti wrote: > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer CT-F1250 you > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically or > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear the > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I didn't > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to you in > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping damage > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They shouldn't. > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer to > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > negligence is repulsive. > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for was in > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never bid $219 > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > doesn't make it worth any less. > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't want the > deck, I want my $219. > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > Jim Volpatti > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > > to you. > > > > Brian > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > > So read between the lines. R.J. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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R.J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:31:38 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:31:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? Message-ID: Wow, Mr. Rogers has a question now. Stephen, we thought you had all the answers. On another topic, anyone has a laser for a 5 disk Nak changer. I bought it on e-Bay, seller claimed it was a limited edition unit made for some upscale store in New York (Best Buy?). Awesome sound, much better than OMS7II, and for $1,500 a bargain. R.J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 05:35:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:35:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 References: Message-ID: <05f101c0bbef$281de6c0$323442cf@sank1> If you know what makes Nak heads special, R.J., you'll tell us what the LOW freq response is. Any 3-head Nak from 1978 onwards can do 12Hz @-3dB on metal, 16Hz on CrO2, and with virtually no "head lumps" in the mid bass region. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 > I have a pristine condition JVC TDV1050 for sale. This is basically a ZX9 > made by JVC for their DIGIFINE line. According to my measurements can do > 25khz at +/- 3db. > > Better than most NAKS. $800. > > R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 05:35:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:35:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 References: Message-ID: <3AC94516.F60A363B@concentric.net> > Stan Targowski wrote: > > Carlos, Stephen - what is this fruitcake talking about He's yanking your chain. IGNORE HIM. > now? Was there a ZX9 built JVC deck? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmoond at aol.com > Sent: Mon, April 02, 2001 10:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 > > I have a pristine condition JVC TDV1050 for > sale. This is basically a ZX9 > made by JVC for their DIGIFINE line. According > to my measurements can do > 25khz at +/- 3db. > > Better than most NAKS. $800. > > R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 3 05:41:10 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:41:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 References: Message-ID: <3AC94650.86C67EFA@snet.net> Stan and All, Just ignore him... he thrives on the insults and would just call you an idiot if you disputed his claims anyway. Ed Stan Targowski wrote: > Carlos, Stephen - what is this fruitcake talking about now? Was there > a ZX9 built JVC deck?Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Raayymmoond at aol.com > Sent: Mon, April 02, 2001 10:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 > > I have a pristine condition JVC TDV1050 for sale. This is > basically a ZX9 > made by JVC for their DIGIFINE line. According to my > measurements can do > 25khz at +/- 3db. > > Better than most NAKS. $800. > > R.J. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:50:26 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:50:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 Message-ID: <70.937f281.27faa282@aol.com> I know what you are so focused on - crystalloy heads. But ... You must remember that this was a basic ZX9 (Specially tuned) that was then finetuned by JVC engineers to meet the much stricter DIGIFINE requirements. Kind of like BRABUS or AMG tunes Mercedes. Nakamichi like Mercedes is wonderful, but is nowhere near DIGIFINE limited series of JVC made purely for the Japanese market. R.J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 05:55:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:55:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> <3AC93AFE.F6B105DB@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC949B9.A117743D@earthlink.net> Brian, Are you telling me that you didn't offer to "alter" the cassette deck and packing to make the damage look worse than it actually did so FedEx would honor a claim? Are you telling me that the deck is working properly? Maybe you should try making a recording and listen to the results. Anyone here who is familiar with the Pioneer CT-F1250 and CT-F1000 knows that when operating properly they are capable of making recordings which are just shy of some of the best Naks. Are you telling me that the deck that incurred minor dings on the corners of the cabinet during shipping is now "smashed"? Are you telling me that all the heavy gouges and scratches in the face plate of the deck are representative of a deck in "excellent condition"? The condition of the the deck was described by you to be excellent, both cosmetically and operationally. Are you telling me that you didn't agree to double box the deck and instead sent it in a very thin box, barely larger than the deck itself, with only styrofoam peanuts and several pieces of broken hard styrofoam? Are you telling that you didn't receive the deck from me with the EXACT same packing material and box that you used to ship it to me? You just said yourself that you gave me "every opportunity and gone to every effort to empower you to get your claim from FEDEX for trashing the deck." If the deck wasn't packed properly, why should FedEx honor the claim to begin with, huh Brian?? And for your information, this IS a proper place to post this if you are in fact still doing business on ebay. I wouldn't want you to rip off any of the unsuspecting members of this forum. The only reason that I haven't place negative feedback on ebay is because you stipulated that a refund was contingent upon me posting positive feedback for our transaction. Did you really think I was going to lie to all the other ebay users out there by placing any positive feedback about our transaction when you lied about the condition of the deck and then shipped it improperly packed? It is now obvious to me that you have no intention of refunding my money. With all the lies you've told me, I bet the deck wasn't even damaged in shipping. It's just an excuse you came up for not refunding my money. Enjoy your piece of junk and the $219. I'm sure you need more than I do. Jim Volpatti If you britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Jim, I have given you every opportunity and gone to every effort to empower you to get your > claim from FEDEX for trashing the deck. And, no, my packing was not like yours because if it > had been so, it would have arrived smashed when you received it. I was willing to give you a > refund (not your average ebay experience) but to expect a refund for a smashed unit which you > did not have the care to pack correctly for a safe return is absurd. > > Naktalk, in which I am a fairly regular participant is not a forum for your recent vindictive > post and nobody gives a crap about our transaction. Furthermore, you would never get tape to > source parity from any hi end pioneer. One buys a vintage pioneer for exactly what it is > "VINTAGE". I just sold an sx1980 for nearly $2000. Is it anything close to a mcintosh or a > Nak receiver? Absolutely not! Don't use this forum to try to smear my business with > assertions that I offered to take a hammer to something. Your whining makes me sick. I have > found that the more you are willing to give or give back to a buyer the more they expect. > Keep your bile out of this forum and when you expect a refund be sure to return it in same > condition as received. All of us would expect nothing less. And the answer to your question > is I was man enough to refund your money until you returned a smashed piece of junk. By the > way, it is essentially yours and I would be happy to return it to you. > > Sincerely, > > Brian > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > The reason that you haven't heard from me Brian is because I become irate > > overtime I think of the transaction with you last June. The Pioneer CT-F1250 you > > sold me was not in the condition described. Not even close, cosmetically or > > operationally. You don't need to be a "specialist" (your words) to hear the > > obvious need for repair when comparing tape to source. The fact that I didn't > > pack it properly when I returned it to you for refund (I returned it to you in > > the same packing materials in which you sent it to me) makes the shipping damage > > my responsibility. Of course Fed Ex has not paid me any money. They shouldn't. > > The deck was improperly packed. The fact that you offered to take a hammer to > > the box and deck to give the shipment the appearance of gross shipping > > negligence is repulsive. > > > > My case is with you, not Fed Ex. The deck that I purchased for $219 for was in > > fact only worth $50. Had I known the true condition, I would have never bid $219 > > on eBay. The minor shipping damage that occurred during it's return to you > > doesn't make it worth any less. > > > > I paid $219 for a deck that I don't even have in my possession. I don't want the > > deck, I want my $219. > > > > Question is, are you man enough to refund my money? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Thanx Jim, your thoughts are shared bu myseld and, I am sure, others. > > > > > > So did Fedex give you your dough. Have not heard from you so I assume you either > > > dropped it or got paid. Curious to know. Go back and ask the collective about the > > > ct-f1250. Had I known what the general feeling was for hi-end pioneers and your > > > interest in "quality" cass decks and that you were a naktalk member, would not have sold > > > to you. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > Is this really necessary? If you two are intent to continue, please do ao > > > > privately via email and leave the rest of us out. We are here to share and enjoy > > > > our hobby, not bicker over it incessantly. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't post the emails i have received from the others here, > > > > > without their consent. They have told me that you always seem to behave this > > > > > way. And they were glad to see someone, namely me, put you in your place. > > > > > So read between the lines. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 06:06:10 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:06:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> <001d01c0bbe4$817f11e0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC93774.E52A9520@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001901c0bbf3$6b311640$a32f2ac4@coqui.net> Yes Jim: www.duntech.com.au Good luck ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... > > Does Duntech have a website? > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > Yes, I just contacted Duntech in Australia and the prices amazed me. Very > > good. Perhaps that's why the Dunlavy's looks similar. Thanks for the input ! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, Duntech was John Dunlavy's old pro audio company. His > > new > > > company, Dunlavy Audio Labs, makes some very well respected audiophile > > speakers. > > > Here is the website address. You may find some Duntech information there. > > I > > > think his studio monitors use similar designs to his current home > > speakers. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 06:04:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:04:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC85693.345EEC9F@earthlink.net> <3AC8A809.33F5D3AF@pacbell.net> <3AC8C79B.4F578B24@earthlink.net> <3AC93AFE.F6B105DB@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AC94BD6.BA01E85C@earthlink.net> Just want everyone to know that this public squeamish between Brian Stocker and I is over. I only wanted to expose Brian for who he really is, so that anyone here who might possibly do business with him in the future is properly warned. Sorry for the negative vibe. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmoond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 06:10:02 2001 From: Raayymmoond at aol.com (Raayymmoond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:10:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: This is bullshit. CTF1000 and 1250 had great heads and fancy features, but the electronics sucked. Just play something thru the unit and compare the turntable or CD source to monitor and you will hear shitload of difference. Open them up. Look at the wires - looks like French car under the hood. The only great model from Pioneer was CT91 - but this was an Elite series unit. Interestingly, its successor CT93 was crap again. Yet, none come even close to even a simple Nak, take even Stager's crappy 582 or a BX-1 - nothing Pioneer ever produced comes close. J.R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 3 06:15:17 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:15:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010402215813.00bf58a0@mail.verizon.net> <05d101c0bbec$07bbd480$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004f01c0bbf4$b143d180$a32f2ac4@coqui.net> Yes, I noticed that. What I heard was that Chris Lau and his gang were using illegals in California to build his components. Something happened and he fled the country. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? > That link just seems to be Lyric Hifi selling their last few Golden Tube > pieces, without a word about the company's demise. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] QUESTION ??? > > > > > > >Does anyone knows what ever happened to the Golden Tube Audio company ? > > > > http://www.lyricusa.com/golden_tube_audio.htm > > > > _____________________ MS > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 06:22:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 References: <70.937f281.27faa282@aol.com> Message-ID: <062101c0bbf5$ae170620$323442cf@sank1> You're going to have to provide proof of this claim. To my knowledge, which includes 20 years of Nak service & sales, Nak has NEVER sold ANY deck with crystalloy heads to anyone. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 > I know what you are so focused on - crystalloy heads. But ... > > You must remember that this was a basic ZX9 (Specially tuned) that was then > finetuned by JVC engineers to meet the much stricter DIGIFINE requirements. > Kind of like BRABUS or AMG tunes Mercedes. > > Nakamichi like Mercedes is wonderful, but is nowhere near DIGIFINE limited > series of JVC made purely for the Japanese market. > > R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 06:30:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:30:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> <001d01c0bbe4$817f11e0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC93774.E52A9520@earthlink.net> <001901c0bbf3$6b311640$a32f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3AC951E1.8C84A46B@earthlink.net> Thanks Carlos! Hey, did I hear you say that you are a mastering engineer?? I worked as a recording engineer only to discover that I enjoyed concert audio much more. The recording thing was just too tedious and repetitive for me. I toured extensively around the world and retired at the ripe age of 26! There is NOTHING like the feeling of being in the sound booth when the band is cooking and the crowd is going nuts and you are the conduit (the PA) through which all that communication happens! Reduced me to tears on numerous occasions. I'd love to hear about your career and how you got to what you are doing now. Cheers! Jim Volpatti Carlos wrote: > > Yes Jim: > > www.duntech.com.au > > Good luck ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Now, a new discussion... > > > > > Does Duntech have a website? > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I just contacted Duntech in Australia and the prices amazed me. > Very > > > good. Perhaps that's why the Dunlavy's looks similar. Thanks for the > input ! > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, Duntech was John Dunlavy's old pro audio company. > His > > > new > > > > company, Dunlavy Audio Labs, makes some very well respected audiophile > > > speakers. > > > > Here is the website address. You may find some Duntech information > there. > > > I > > > > think his studio monitors use similar designs to his current home > > > speakers. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 06:31:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:31:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: These are great resources, thank you. Do any of you have any "nuggets" or great resources for turntable cartridges and needles? Thanks in advance! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 06:32:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:32:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <17.13e34b44.27faac58@aol.com> Hi Graham, Same here, please "hit" me up offline, it's good to hear from you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 06:34:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:34:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Black Box Message-ID: Hi Nick, Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1225995145 The item is "sharp" and appears to be back up again. No takers at the current price. I hope this helps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 06:43:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:43:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 References: <70.937f281.27faa282@aol.com> <062101c0bbf5$ae170620$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC954F3.74EEDE61@earthlink.net> Would anyone care substantiate his claims about the Pioneer CTF1000 and CTF1250? Stephen Sank wrote: > > You're going to have to provide proof of this claim. To my knowledge, which > includes 20 years of Nak service & sales, Nak has NEVER sold ANY deck with > crystalloy heads to anyone. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] JVC TDV1050 > > > I know what you are so focused on - crystalloy heads. But ... > > > > You must remember that this was a basic ZX9 (Specially tuned) that was > then > > finetuned by JVC engineers to meet the much stricter DIGIFINE > requirements. > > Kind of like BRABUS or AMG tunes Mercedes. > > > > Nakamichi like Mercedes is wonderful, but is nowhere near DIGIFINE limited > > series of JVC made purely for the Japanese market. > > > > R.J. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 06:45:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:45:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape References: Message-ID: <3AC95565.80717758@earthlink.net> I have several links Sam. What brand of cartridges did you have in mind? Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > These are great resources, thank you. Do any of you have any "nuggets" or > great resources for turntable cartridges and needles? Thanks in advance! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 07:16:59 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:16:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: Message-ID: <3AC95CCB.6B105B33@yahoo.com> I'm not sure what's going on here I belong to some 10 or so different lists on stereos and cameras. For some reason everybody is arguing on all of them. Perhaps it has something to do with April fool's day. See Ya Javier Alex Cagann wrote: > I'm not sure why you need to use this type of dialect to get your point > across. We are all 'friends' here that share a common interest. Let's work > out differences in an amicable way...without using grade-school recess type > behavior. > > Alex > > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, > > and answered > > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, > > since your > > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an > > idiot. People > > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck > > for their > > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you > > oughtta get a > > life. R.J. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 06:57:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:57:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... Message-ID: <42.12edfb3a.27fab222@aol.com> If you are thinking of purchasing a BOSE "wave" radio, I have a nice alternative you may want to consider: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/index2.php The B&O "Beosound 1" is incredible. It is somewhat "heavy" on the low end and does not have treble or bass adjustments. However, it is a small "price to pay" for what otherwise a superb and "rich" sounding machine. They are indeed very nice. I have not had the "negative" reactions to BOSE as some have expressed. A close friend of mine from the military purchased a set of 901's and in his home they sound great. And, while working with TCI (now AT&T Broadband) we use to sell a pair of self-powered BOSE speakers in a handsome carrying case that to this day have out performed any portable self-powered speakers I've ever heard. And, I've seen the 901's used in several DJ environments and they out performed many larger, bulky JBL "monitor" type speakers systems. However, I could be comparing apples to oranges and I'm sure the room acoustics play a large role. I can attest that the 901's work extremely well for large parties and DJ applications. Thank you all for your comments, I really enjoy them and learn a great deal from all of you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Apr 3 07:01:48 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:31:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] - Graham , Are you alive! Message-ID: <20010403050148.815051DFBB1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 07:04:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:04:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] FOR MARC Message-ID: <3e.9baed47.27fab3f6@aol.com> Hi Marc, Can you still get your hands on the Sony Metal ES cassettes? Please respond offline, thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 07:07:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:07:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... Message-ID: Hey Ron, I to have an AIWA boom box, double cassette, CD player, remote control. I don't know if we have the same model, but mine no longer reads CD's. I've cleaned the laser and have taken good care it. (it has had a few knocks over the years). The model # is CSD-XR66. I wanted to ask if you've experienced the same problem and how did you fix it? It does have a nice sound. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 07:22:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:22:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... Message-ID: Being a marketing professional (don't flame me, please :-( I appreciate the "power" of a well designed promotional plan. And, I also appreciate the importance of building a "brand." It appears that BOSE has done an excellent job of building a brand name. Like Nakamichi, once the brand is established you can create inferior products that will still "carry" all of the qualities associated with the brand, regardless of their actual presence. However, as a marketing guy it is a shame that many companies, not just BOSE; have decided to totally turn away from the standards that built the brands in the beginning for the never-ending and insatiable appetite of the quarterly earnings report. Once the brand has been established, it is not uncommon to see corners cut, especially in manufacturing; and ultimately the product suffer. As I understand, some 40 years ago BOSE was something special. I don't' know, but it does appear that they have been "riding" their brand recognition ever since. What a shame, with a brand that powerful they could truly "take over" if the products could support the reputation. Just my 2 cents, thanks for the opportunity to contribute. -Sam Don't hate me because I'm one of those marketing guys :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 07:28:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:28:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... References: Message-ID: <3AC95F6A.10A784F@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hey Ron, > > I to have an AIWA boom box, double cassette, CD player, remote control. I > don't know if we have the same model, but mine no longer reads CD's. I've > cleaned the laser and have taken good care it. (it has had a few knocks over > the years). The model # is CSD-XR66. I wanted to ask if you've experienced > the same problem and how did you fix it? It does have a nice sound. > > -Sam Mine is a different model: CA-DW-600. I've had it for several years now and never had any problem with it. The only complaint I have is a low whine that comes from the CD transport, since the very beginning. It's very low and can only be heard from close, during quiet passages. The sound is very musical and easily beats the wave radio -- it's on par with a friend's hang-on-the-wall B&O. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 07:32:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:32:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you evaluate it) advertising IS that powerful. Now, I haven't heard the Wave Radio, but I cannot believe it sounds anywhere near the B&O Beosound 1. BOSE has done a good job with their marketing efforts - direct mail, mall presence, in-home demonstrations, television commercials, magazine print ads. And, the fact that their gear doesn't sound THAT bad in their showrooms helps boost their "claims." Moreover, everyone hasn't had the opportunities we have all had in this area. I think I'm "safe" in saying that this is a VERY sophisticated group of enthusiast. The collective musical backgrounds range from studio engineers, specialized audio company owners and manufacturers, musicians, and even a few DJ's - all with years of experience in and around audio equipment and sound environments. Most people, or what is referred to as the "average" consumer has not experienced such diverse and compelling musical experiences. So, high brand recognition coupled with decent sound, and mixed with a balanced presence (e.g. TV, mail, store) is enough to drive sales to very high volumes. Again, just my 2 cents... -Sam PS Would you all still love me if I purchased anything by BOSE? :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 07:41:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:41:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... References: Message-ID: <3AC962A3.BE3053B0@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > [.....] > As I understand, some 40 years ago BOSE was something special. Amar Bose came out with the 901 -- an omni-directional design that took advantage of the bass augmentation of multiple drivers. The design is particularly effective in larger rooms, but is particular as to room location of the speakers. At the time, it was pretty good. (FWIW, I remember seeing it at the home of a world famous pianist.) Since then, the price has gone up and the construction is now pure plastic. The 40 year old design is no longer price competitive and sound quality has been caught up with (and surpassed) a long time ago. > I don't' > know, but it does appear that they have been "riding" their brand recognition > ever since. Actually, they have even bolstered their name -- *all* through aggressive advertising. > What a shame, with a brand that powerful they could truly "take > over" if the products could support the reputation. Amen -- Ron > Just my 2 cents, thanks for the opportunity to contribute. > > -Sam > Don't hate me because I'm one of those marketing guys :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Tue Apr 3 07:45:23 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:45:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010403010252.00bc2a60@mail.verizon.net> At 4/3/01, J. R wrote: >... The only great model from Pioneer was CT91 - but this was an Elite series >unit. Interestingly, its successor CT93 was crap again. Yet, none come even >close to even a simple Nak, take even Stager's crappy 582 or a BX-1 - nothing >Pioneer ever produced comes close. ============================ J. R. Provided it is aligned properly - for minimum distortion first and extended HF response second, a Nak 582 is capable of producing a tape where the playback is indistinguishable from the input. With a tape with good coercivity there is no noise or distortion worth mentioning. (Sony Metal -ES is exceptional in this respect - you can get a MOL of + 9 db without compression or audible distortion. That translates to a S/N ratio close to 90 db. That's approaching digital.) There was no limiting or compression during those live recordings. The mics were placed three across the front plus an additional pair at the winds and brass and one more near the back of the hall to capture some of the hall's natural reverb. Just like the famous Mercury Living Presence recordings, the level was nailed down at rehearsal, and not touched during the concert. Another piece I recorded, Ellington's "New World Coming" is as close as he came to writing a piano concerto. The speed stability was flawless. No trace of any wow or flutter from the piano; this from a live mic feed from a gorgeous sounding Steinway D. Tape hiss? Inaudible with Dolby B. I wish I'd had S or SR but Dolby B (from new Dolby LA2370 chips) tracked perfectly. The cassettes made a mockery of a DAT someone else had recorded during a concert last year. BTW, the Queens Symphony is a group of professional NY musicians, including some top notch studio musicians and Broadway pit players. The percussionist was the drummer in the recently closed "Miss Saigon". The guy was amazing. Great music and a wonderful tape from a crappy machine. Just imagine if I had used a good one! Now J. R., go to the drugstore and get a refill. You shouldn't be off your medication. ___________________________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 07:54:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:54:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <35.13011a15.27fabf7c@aol.com> Good point Ron! Marketing, and in particular advertising; is often expressed as a percentage of sales. If you do the math, it's easy to determine how much money BOSE has at their disposal for direct mail, television and print, multimedia, celebrity endorsements, on so on... IMHO - I also believe product appearance plays a much larger role than most traditional sales and marketing "folks" like to admit. And, for what it's worth BOSE has also done a decent job of creating products with a unique appearance that always attracts consumers. As an analogy, coming from the computing industry Steve Jobs is always criticized for achieving "engineering through aesthetics." Regardless of the debate surround PC vs. MAC, Steve Jobs and his entire MAC line of products have always taken advantage of this unscientific element of consumer behavior. It works! Not to belittle in any way our beloved Nakamichi Dragon, but it to takes advantage of this dynamic of consumer behavior. Certainly, as I have learned from this group; there are other Nak decks superior to the Dragon. However, whenever you mention to someone outside of the people in the "know" that you own a Nakamichi tape deck, they inevitably ask you "...is it a Dragon? That is an awesome deck! The best ever made!" It is an AWESOME deck that I will one day own, but there are others out there that surpass it. Nak also did a good job of creating the "Dragon" brand. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From szollos at it.cas.cz Tue Apr 3 14:08:36 2001 From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:08:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <4e.13bccd2c.27fa43c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC9BD44.6E58A0F5@it.cas.cz> Ray, Both Carlos and Graham are highly respected, knowledgable and friendly members of this list. Stop your offensive postings immediately. Calm down and lay off! Andras. Raayymmond at aol.com wrote: > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a > life. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:08:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:08:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... Message-ID: <8e.1366824e.27fac2dc@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/2001 12:45:21 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << raah at concentric.net >> Thanks again Ron. You got it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 3 08:09:05 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:09:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Duntech References: <22.14229aa0.27f9a645@aol.com> <3AC923A7.864F0062@snet.net> <001901c0bbdd$bfe07a20$6a232ac4@coqui.net> <3AC92CFC.7FD06C74@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009b01c0bc04$98386e20$c7ed3fd0@oemcomputer> http://www.duntech.com.au/ excellent speakers if you have the room ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 08:13:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:13:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... References: <3AC962A3.BE3053B0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <067901c0bc05$273de500$323442cf@sank1> Even the original 901 was one of the highest distortion speakers on the planet. Especially on IM distortion. The thing was & is 9 midrange drivers being abused by radical EQ'ing into doing full range. And they were made dirt cheaply from the start as well. 9 under-1ohm 4.5" $2 drivers strung together in series with 22ga tinned copper wire. Total crap. The 9th driver in the front was put there strictly to duck being sued by Dan Greenfield, owner of the patent on reflecting speakers, whom I used to work for, and whom Amar Bose blatantly ripped off. He brought out the first 901 within a few months of visiting Dan's store in Philadelphia, when he was trying to peddle some quarter-sphere speakers, which were perhaps his one & only original design. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [.....] > > As I understand, some 40 years ago BOSE was something special. > > Amar Bose came out with the 901 -- an omni-directional > design that took advantage of the bass augmentation > of multiple drivers. The design is particularly effective > in larger rooms, but is particular as to room location of > the speakers. At the time, it was pretty good. (FWIW, I > remember seeing it at the home of a world famous pianist.) > > Since then, the price has gone up and the construction is > now pure plastic. The 40 year old design is no longer > price competitive and sound quality has been caught up > with (and surpassed) a long time ago. > > > I don't' > > know, but it does appear that they have been "riding" their brand recognition > > ever since. > > Actually, they have even bolstered their name -- *all* > through aggressive advertising. > > > What a shame, with a brand that powerful they could truly "take > > over" if the products could support the reputation. > > Amen > > -- Ron > > > > Just my 2 cents, thanks for the opportunity to contribute. > > > > -Sam > > Don't hate me because I'm one of those marketing guys :-) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:28:32 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:28:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <47.9af9e1e.27fac790@aol.com> not just that... technically, we all know that BOSE speakers just aren't that great (Direct/Reflecting speaker technology being the antithesis of good imaging, and so forth), you must admit that BOSE hit the nail on the head by addressing that biggest of all concerns... WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor). Their sub/sat designs being the absolute smallest and least obtrusive (although certainly the furthest from best sound) won over many customers with a lot of money but little knowledge of good high fidelity sound (and little patience for a wife/family who would object to the monolithic floorstanders).... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Apr 3 08:30:49 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:30:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? References: Message-ID: <002901c0bc07$a00e2b50$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:54 AM > Gosh, I remember once recently mentioning word AKAI, in response to someone > else's inquiry, and got flamed for it - now we have close to a hundred > e-mails with that word in the title - Maurits is this your revenge for me > talking about AKAI, is RAAYYMMOND your high-tech AOL screen name - I promise > not to bring up AKAI name again then. ;-) Sorry, I'm stick with my nice little white Akai AH-8 demagnetizer and I love it. I'm not familiar with the guy named Raymond. The quickest way is ignoring, don't feed the troll. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:41:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:41:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... Message-ID: "Even the original 901 was one of the highest distortion speakers on the planet. Especially on IM distortion. The thing was & is 9 midrange drivers being abused by radical EQ'ing into doing full range." I use to wonder what the eq module was for, and when I asked the BOSE rep in the showroom they always answered in generalities. (e.g. "It is a patented design to help deliver the rich sound") To bad, the "look" is very impressive. Please excuse my ignorance in this subject, but I remember being told that the 901's could handle any level of power. They were "unlimited" - that may explain their appeal to the DJ's I know who used them for gigs. Question - given the eq'ing of the mids-into performing like full range drivers, why did these speakers work well in the DJ environment? (e.g. big open halls, no walls for reflection, placed on tripod stands usually elevated to eye level for the average person) With all of the power these guys drive through speakers, you would think they would blow. On another note - how is it that Bang & Olfsen can deliver their rich sounds (although unbalanced and sometimes lacking mid's) from their self-powered speakers? They also use mid range drivers. Are they doing the same thing BOSE is in their 901's? I like the B&O sound in the showroom, but they are sometimes lacking mid range frequencies during the demo. Just curious... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 08:48:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:48:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <62.d495753.27facc2b@aol.com> True ChefBum. I will use that "WAF" if you don't mind. And, just for the record I own a pair of those monolithic floorstanders as my Polk Audio's SDA's are huge! I'm almost tempted to purchase 9 great drivers and built a pair with some quality wiring. I like their look, especially in black. They are conversation pieces, no doubt. I firmly believe my Polk's run circles around them, but they are nice to look at. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 08:55:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 02:55:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <35.13011a15.27fabf7c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AC973FE.2B7A0A9@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Good point Ron! Marketing, and in particular advertising; is often expressed > as a percentage of sales. If you do the math, it's easy to determine how > much money BOSE has at their disposal for direct mail, television and print, > multimedia, celebrity endorsements, on so on... > > IMHO - I also believe product appearance plays a much larger role than most > traditional sales and marketing "folks" like to admit. And, for what it's > worth BOSE has also done a decent job of creating products with a unique > appearance that always attracts consumers. > > As an analogy, coming from the computing industry Steve Jobs is always > criticized for achieving "engineering through aesthetics." Regardless of the > debate surround PC vs. MAC, Steve Jobs and his entire MAC line of products > have always taken advantage of this unscientific element of consumer > behavior. It works! > > Not to belittle in any way our beloved Nakamichi Dragon, but it to takes > advantage of this dynamic of consumer behavior. Certainly, as I have learned > from this group; there are other Nak decks superior to the Dragon. However, > whenever you mention to someone outside of the people in the "know" that you > own a Nakamichi tape deck, they inevitably ask you "...is it a Dragon? That > is an awesome deck! The best ever made!" It is an AWESOME deck that I will > one day own, but there are others out there that surpass it. Nak also did a > good job of creating the "Dragon" brand. > > -Sam Sam, in no way did I mean to belittle Bose or their achievements. Another task often taken on by Marketing is product QFD. Bose have done an excellent job. They isolated two qualities Ms. Average consumer requires in her Hi-Fi product: small size and simplicity of operation (any female reading this is excluded from this slightly sexist remark). Ms. Average consumer likes to think of herself as 'modern' (meaning, technically astute) but what she *really* wants is no more than an on/off button and a volume control. Anything over that detracts from the product appeal. She also wants her Hi-Fi to be heard, but not seen (it interferes with the decor). Bose understood this. She recognizes that she ought to have 'good sound' as a status issue, but in reality couldn't care less about it and when she does, doesn't know how to tell if she has it. Bose has managed to convince her that the wave radio gives her the best sound in the world, no less, reinforcing the product snob appeal. This, plus the two qualities she actually does want, increases the value of the product to the point where she is willing to pay the price. Not smart, but expected. BTW, even though I referred in these remarks to Ms. Consumer, there are plenty of Mr. Consumer around, that have the same mindset. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 09:11:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:11:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... References: Message-ID: <06c301c0bc0d$552bbb60$323442cf@sank1> The 901 EQ box does something like 10dB of boost at the low end & top end. Really extreme, whatever the actual numbers. The reason they can handle assloads of power is that each voicecoil only has to dissipate one ninth of the energy, plus the 22ga wire adds a fair amount of resistance in series. I've done live sound mixing in a couple of clubs with the 800 "pro" version of the 901, and I must say that they also sucked, to my ears. However, they are less ear piercing than the average PA speaker's horn tweeters & mids, and don't blow up too often, so they seem good by comparison. The B&O powered speakers, and the majority of small powered speakers, use a lot of EQ & often dynamic limiter circuits to sound full range. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... > "Even the original 901 was one of the highest distortion speakers on the > planet. Especially on IM distortion. The thing was & is 9 midrange drivers > being abused by radical EQ'ing into doing full range." > > I use to wonder what the eq module was for, and when I asked the BOSE rep in > the showroom they always answered in generalities. (e.g. "It is a patented > design to help deliver the rich sound") To bad, the "look" is very > impressive. > > Please excuse my ignorance in this subject, but I remember being told that > the 901's could handle any level of power. They were "unlimited" - that may > explain their appeal to the DJ's I know who used them for gigs. > > Question - given the eq'ing of the mids-into performing like full range > drivers, why did these speakers work well in the DJ environment? (e.g. big > open halls, no walls for reflection, placed on tripod stands usually elevated > to eye level for the average person) With all of the power these guys drive > through speakers, you would think they would blow. > > On another note - how is it that Bang & Olfsen can deliver their rich sounds > (although unbalanced and sometimes lacking mid's) from their self-powered > speakers? They also use mid range drivers. Are they doing the same thing > BOSE is in their 901's? I like the B&O sound in the showroom, but they are > sometimes lacking mid range frequencies during the demo. Just curious... > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:20:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:20:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <7f.126d0d7a.27fad3a0@aol.com> Hi Ron, In no way did I mean to belittle BOSE either - so we're in sync. They have done much and deserve what they earn. Although, I find Stephen's comments extremely compelling. You're right, simplicity and snob appeal go a long way with certain consumers. And, I'm not saying that if you purchased a pair of 901's that you won't be happy. I like them, but IMHO they're not in the same league as my Polk's. But, they appear to also have high consumer satisfaction working for them as well. Here's what's sad - it wouldn't take much to upgrade the drivers, the wiring, the cabinet material, and create a really well built and compelling 901 speaker. (WARNING - marketing engine is about to engage) You could release it as a limited edition "audiophile" series, change the cabinet appearance (similar to the B&O silver and black look and feel), and it would make millions. Of course, you would have to leverage the existing BOSE marketing engine. I have to admit that the first time I heard what they are now calling their "Acoustimass system" in a record store in New Orleans, I was impressed that so much sound could come from such small speakers and a sub woofer system. -Sam -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:24:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:24:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... Message-ID: <96.125335a9.27fad4a1@aol.com> Thanks Stephen. I was thinking of the 800 "pro" versions. (Black boxes?) That explains much, the PA horns are sharp and at loud volumes are very piercing. Plus the power capacity was probably attractive as well. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It makes sense now. And, some of the DJ's I knew who used these also used separate equalizers, so there was a lot of "stuff" going on. In a party environment, it probably doesn't matter much. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 09:27:23 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:27:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? In-Reply-To: <010001c0bbd8$f34fd7c0$6a232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <008001c0bc0f$865320a0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Carlos! You did WHAT to the whisky???!!! That's like putting an old Memorex Chrome Tape into your Dragon .... sacrilegious!!! :¬) Graham The Brit Git (alias Psycho Sam ....) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: 03 April 2001 01:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are Morons? Ha, !!! Stan the Polish Moron, you really got style. Look, last Sunday I was at the Ball park watching the opening of the major league baseball in Puerto Rico. Well, we were honored ... Texas Rangers against Toronto Blue Jays. Everything was ok until tha PA system start barking ... oh ! poor me, I couldn't enjoyed the rest of the game because the speakers were pure "garbage" and I would prefer some Meyer Sound. Then, I went to my german car, by the way not an sports one, but just a family coupe. I couldn't enjoyed the ride because my Cassette player is a damm OEM garbage ... poor me ... Then, I arrived home and discarded a fine scotch whiskey that Graham send me because I poured it in a cheap crystal glass ! ... SHIT ! I guess that's why we have all been called MORONS ! The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 09:56:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:56:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Another rare find - ZX-9 for sale Message-ID: If anyone is interested http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226965138 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 3 10:08:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:08:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 2c on the Brian & Jim controversy Message-ID: <070f01c0bc15$408d21a0$323442cf@sank1> I would just like to input that Brian Stocker has been a client of mine for some months now & he has been nothing short of a honest, accomodating & in every way an excellent customer. Just my two cents. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 10:08:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:08:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] - Graham , Are you alive! In-Reply-To: <20010403050148.815051DFBB1@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <008b01c0bc15$37887a00$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Hi Kannan Yeah, I'm alive but been feeling like death warmed up! Been needing some space to recover. Still, there's nothing like a good scrap get the adrenaline flowing and raise a buzz! The illiterate arsehole has done be a favour! LOL!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: 03 April 2001 06:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Graham , Are you alive! Hi Graham, I thought you had gone off to Russia, giving them marketing skills to revive their economy! Nice to have you back after long time. Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 10:08:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:08:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Miss Saigon In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010403010252.00bc2a60@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <009101c0bc15$39800440$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Another piece I recorded, Ellington's "New World Coming" is as close as he came to writing a piano concerto. The speed stability was flawless. No trace of any wow or flutter from the piano; this from a live mic feed from a gorgeous sounding Steinway D. Tape hiss? Inaudible with Dolby B. I wish I'd had S or SR but Dolby B (from new Dolby LA2370 chips) tracked perfectly. The cassettes made a mockery of a DAT someone else had recorded during a concert last year. BTW, the Queens Symphony is a group of professional NY musicians, including some top notch studio musicians and Broadway pit players. The percussionist was the drummer in the recently closed "Miss Saigon". The guy was amazing. Great music and a wonderful tape from a crappy machine. Just imagine if I had used a good one! ___________________________________ Marc Stager [Graham replies ....] Slightly off track .... I got a Miss Saigon connection. Remember the gorgeous Vietnamese girl who sang the lead in the original version of the musical? Well, she wrote me a letter - apparently one of my songs made her cry. Hell! I didn't think it was THAT bad a song!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 3 10:08:09 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:08:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008c01c0bc15$388d66e0$68d9893e@a4s1s2> -Sam Don't hate me because I'm one of those marketing guys :-) Brother!!!!!! Graham (Another Marketing Guy) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 10:16:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 04:16:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... Message-ID: <92.129fc2a7.27fae0c1@aol.com> It's good to know that I am not alone! How are you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 10:52:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:52:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My 2c on the Brian & Jim controversy References: <070f01c0bc15$408d21a0$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC98F32.F1F81975@earthlink.net> You know Stephen, this whole fiasco with the CT-F1250 just may have been a blessing in disguise. Instead of settling for the deck that I lusted after when I was twelve, I've ended up with a Nakamichi 682ZX instead. I remember drooling over the 680ZX as a kid too, but I'd rather have Dolby C and the 15 KHz calibration tone than the 15/16" tape speed. And the best part was the $262 price! In brand new condition too. >From what I understand, the transport quality went way down hill in Naks after 1983. They also moved manufacturing from Japan to Taiwan in the early 80s. Since cassette decks are mechanical devices, the robust transport was more important to me than the ABLE and other whistles and bells in the later high end Naks. Maybe some day I'll move up to the 1000ZXL but for now I'm very, very happy. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > I would just like to input that Brian Stocker has been a client of mine for > some months now & he has been nothing short of a honest, accomodating & in > every way an excellent customer. > Just my two cents. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 12:47:40 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:47:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <59.91a6796.27fb044c@aol.com> There goes my impersonator again, now he cant even spell my name right, J.R????? He must be realy stupid, and i thought you people were intelligent. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 12:51:34 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:51:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED Message-ID: <38.144c72bc.27fb0536@aol.com> Well you all seem to know me. But these posts aren't from me. If i have something to say, i say it. Looks like you people have a real rival, and its not me. Someone seems to want to destroy your group, and use posts with my email address to do so. As you can see, they even spelled R.J. wrong. Real whiz kid. But at any rate, i know nothing about these posts, i was sticking to the garbage cassette decks. I have no intent ever of d4stroying your group, just saying what is on my mind, with proof always to back my claims. So these posts aren't from me. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 3 13:26:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:26:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42600F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Very funny. Here comes remission. Rabies fit over? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Raayymmond at aol.com [SMTP:Raayymmond at aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED > > Well you all seem to know me. But these posts aren't from me. If i have > > something to say, i say it. Looks like you people have a real rival, and > its > not me. Someone seems to want to destroy your group, and use posts with > my > email address to do so. As you can see, they even spelled R.J. wrong. > Real > whiz kid. But at any rate, i know nothing about these posts, i was > sticking > to the garbage cassette decks. I have no intent ever of d4stroying your > group, just saying what is on my mind, with proof always to back my > claims. > So these posts aren't from me. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 3 14:57:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:57:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED References: <38.144c72bc.27fb0536@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201c0bc3d$b3168b80$58289bca@smarzuki> Hm, this one is Raayymond and the other one is Raayymmoond and two 'O's, but it also came from aol. Not really funny ... trying to turn naktalk to be another r.a.o. Somebody not happy with this group ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED > Well you all seem to know me. But these posts aren't from me. If i have > something to say, i say it. Looks like you people have a real rival, and its > not me. Someone seems to want to destroy your group, and use posts with my > email address to do so. As you can see, they even spelled R.J. wrong. Real > whiz kid. But at any rate, i know nothing about these posts, i was sticking > to the garbage cassette decks. I have no intent ever of d4stroying your > group, just saying what is on my mind, with proof always to back my claims. > So these posts aren't from me. R.J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Apr 3 14:57:47 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:57:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003f01c0bc3d$b07d4300$4a021fac@brianm> >How do you think did Bush become a president? He beat a crooked idiot! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > > products in other industries being #1. > > > > Alex > > > > Better believe it! Bose Marketing is right up there > with some of the best in the world. Carver wasn't so > bad, either. Wonder about other industries? Look at > cereals. Guess how come they sell at 500% markup? > Look at diamonds. did know they sell at around 400% > profit? > > It all boils down to the purpose of advertising. > Most people miss it (thinking that it's to increase > market share, brand recognition, whatever. All true, > but...) -- the major purpose is to enable manufacturers > to increase prices. In Capitalistic cultures, charging > as much as the traffic will bear is considered goodness > and smart. Prices are set by how much people are willing > to pay for a product and, that, in turn, depends on how > much they want the product. > > There are clear, mathematical ways to calculate the > optimum price (meaning, the price that will generate > the highest profit) for a product. Not surprising, this > price is a function of (among other factors) expenditure > on advertising. > > Today, you can sell almost anything, at almost any > price, given enough advertising dollars. How do you > think did Bush become a president? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 3 15:15:26 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:15:26 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 481 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426011@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Here's a question to our advanced technicians to distract you from the recent bacchanalia. Recently, my Nak 481 has ceased playing in a quite unexpected way: it was quietly playing a tape and suddenly just stopped. All lights were on, but it simply wouldn't react to pushing any buttons, except REW., when the headbase only jerked and... nothing happened after that. In Play-mode capstans do not rotate either, neither do reels in any of the Winding-modes. When pushing the Rec. button, the Cam jerks to the rec.-mark and gets released again. This is all the deck does. So, gurus, where to start looking at? Sincerely Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Apr 3 15:17:59 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:17:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sys... References: <3AC962A3.BE3053B0@concentric.net> <067901c0bc05$273de500$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AC9CD87.BFAA8B9E@snip.net> I remember Dan's speakers. They wer magnificent. Stephen Sank wrote: > Even the original 901 was one of the highest distortion speakers on the > planet. Especially on IM distortion. The thing was & is 9 midrange drivers > being abused by radical EQ'ing into doing full range. And they were made > dirt cheaply from the start as well. 9 under-1ohm 4.5" $2 drivers strung > together in series with 22ga tinned copper wire. Total crap. The 9th > driver in the front was put there strictly to duck being sued by Dan > Greenfield, owner of the patent on reflecting speakers, whom I used to work > for, and whom Amar Bose blatantly ripped off. He brought out the first 901 > within a few months of visiting Dan's store in Philadelphia, when he was > trying to peddle some quarter-sphere speakers, which were perhaps his one & > only original design. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in > Nissan-BOSE sys... > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > [.....] > > > As I understand, some 40 years ago BOSE was something special. > > > > Amar Bose came out with the 901 -- an omni-directional > > design that took advantage of the bass augmentation > > of multiple drivers. The design is particularly effective > > in larger rooms, but is particular as to room location of > > the speakers. At the time, it was pretty good. (FWIW, I > > remember seeing it at the home of a world famous pianist.) > > > > Since then, the price has gone up and the construction is > > now pure plastic. The 40 year old design is no longer > > price competitive and sound quality has been caught up > > with (and surpassed) a long time ago. > > > > > I don't' > > > know, but it does appear that they have been "riding" their brand > recognition > > > ever since. > > > > Actually, they have even bolstered their name -- *all* > > through aggressive advertising. > > > > > What a shame, with a brand that powerful they could truly "take > > > over" if the products could support the reputation. > > > > Amen > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents, thanks for the opportunity to contribute. > > > > > > -Sam > > > Don't hate me because I'm one of those marketing guys :-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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At the price it will reach it should be spotless! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Another rare find - ZX-9 for sale > If anyone is interested > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226965138 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 15:24:48 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:24:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: Anrdas, or Andrea, whatever fits you better. Get Bent. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 3 15:23:59 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:23:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93BA@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Onetime I took a workmate to a high end shop while traveling on business. He saw the Bose $3,000 mini sytem and started getting all excited. I had the owner put on some music and he enjoyed it. I then had the owner put the same music on another system with B&W 802's. He reaction was WOW I've never heard anything this good!!! Bose fills the room well with good sound but the imaging is not there. You can hear instruments or voices but they sound like they came from somewhere over there. Bose is good to fill a room with sound if you don't want to sit down and really listen and feel like your there. The B&W's and others, which the 802's were a little cheaper than the Bose, are designed to provide pin point accuracy of where instruments and voices are at. You can feel and almost see guitars being picked; keys being pressed on piano, woodwind or brass instruments; the drum stick stricking the cymbols or heads. My workmate was amazed how much more it made you feel like you were there. For the price Bose charges they should be able to market properly. Smart company. For my tastes I can find other High End brands that are much more enjoyable for the same price or cheaper. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > Yes, unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you evaluate it) > advertising IS that powerful. Now, I haven't heard the Wave Radio, but I > cannot believe it sounds anywhere near the B&O Beosound 1. > > BOSE has done a good job with their marketing efforts - direct mail, mall > presence, in-home demonstrations, television commercials, magazine print > ads. > And, the fact that their gear doesn't sound THAT bad in their showrooms > helps boost their "claims." Moreover, everyone hasn't had the > opportunities > we have all had in this area. I think I'm "safe" in saying that this is a > > VERY sophisticated group of enthusiast. > > The collective musical backgrounds range from studio engineers, > specialized > audio company owners and manufacturers, musicians, and even a few DJ's - > all > with years of experience in and around audio equipment and sound > environments. Most people, or what is referred to as the "average" > consumer > has not experienced such diverse and compelling musical experiences. So, > high brand recognition coupled with decent sound, and mixed with a > balanced > presence (e.g. TV, mail, store) is enough to drive sales to very high > volumes. Again, just my 2 cents... > > -Sam > > PS > > Would you all still love me if I purchased anything by BOSE? :-) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 15:26:50 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:26:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Are you suggesting all of us participating in this list are... Message-ID: <83.919006c.27fb299a@aol.com> Ok, Mauritis you Homo. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 15:31:39 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:31:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Graham Is Illiterate Message-ID: <83.919006d.27fb2abb@aol.com> Graham........done be a favour? mean done ME a favour? Moron! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BrianjD107 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 15:46:29 2001 From: BrianjD107 at aol.com (BrianjD107 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:46:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks Message-ID: <66.d8a207e.27fb2e35@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/01 8:22:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << From: Raayymmoond at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks - --part1_ae.13019f22.27fa9b76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> other pearls of wisdom gleaned from 20 digests clogging my in-box in 24 hrs... <> > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get a > life. R.J. > ======== >> Grahm, You dont know what abuse is my friend. Dont ever try to repromand me, I dont take crap from you or anyone else. So you back off, Loser! R.J. << >>Hey Ron, Get Bent.<< >> Good, You Yuppies aren't my cup of tea anyways. Go Buy a Bridge somewhere, and tell yourselves its worth the money. Morons.<< >> Listen, you guys can have your brotherly alliance. I am not looking to win any one of you over. So defend eachother all you want. But dont be so ignorant as to not look at the posts, and see who started with tha language. It was your brother. And no Graham, Carlos, or Ron is going to tell me what to do. You wanna try to act tough behind your emails, that makes you feel like men. Bunch of weasels. << >> Wow, marc, i finally see there there is someone who isnt a Stepford here. You seem to have a mind of your own. Congratulations. Glad im not the only one. R.J.<< >> Grahm, Welcome back to the forum, Yes and how fitting, you returned after your Feast Day, you Fool. Go back to Barney and friends, and dont use the word....S##T! Its a bad word. << Help me with this- am I at the Naktalk forum, or rec.audio.assholes??? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 3 15:49:26 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:49:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93BB@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> If anyone is interested I have a quite a few boxes of Ampex 631 Professional Tape. 1/4 inch, 1.5 mil thich, 1200' on 7" reels. I have been selling this anywhere from $25 and up per box of 12 on ebay. These are all 12 individually sealed tapes in a box. I bought these from a government surplus auction and have much more than what I need. I can be reached at kbahr at erols.com or kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Raayymmond at aol.com [SMTP:Raayymmond at aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reel to Reel Tape > > Yeah....but no Maxell. they dont make tapes anymore....LOL ok ill call > them > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 3 16:03:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:03:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426012@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Willingly! Where can we meet? > -----Original Message----- > From: Raayymmond at aol.com [SMTP:Raayymmond at aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:33 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK TALK DESTROYED > > Nick.....Blow Me. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 3 16:07:16 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:07:16 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426013@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Kannan, I remember you particularly asking me to inform you of the progress with my ZX-7. The one, that did not want to record properly, showed up signs of abnormal crosstalk etc. Well, things have cleared up only when I got this beautiful T100 Analyzer letting me to control BOTH channels simultaneously. Just as I suspected, the root of all evil turned out to be it's somewhat peculiarly worn rec. head, that had been severely misaligned during all those 15! working years in the hands of the previous owner. It has been worn in such a strange irregular way, that even trifling shift/turn of (mainly) the head-hight gear makes a HUGE difference in recording sensitivity. It took me a good half an hour to catch the "right" position, but now everything seems to work fine! Thanx for your interest. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Tue Apr 3 17:20:41 2001 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:20:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 In-Reply-To: <3AC24390.BC7AEDF3@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <200104031532.RAA29934@zebra.naks.com> From: britri at pacbell.net Date sent: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:03:36 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 To: naktalk at naks.com Organization: Crystal Brilliance Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com The backtension is electronic, I have a TC-765 which is the 4-track version of the same deck. I have the servicemanual for this and I can copy the chapter "supply reel back tension adjustment" and the schematic diagrams and send it to you John if you give me your address. Roy I dont have a clue as I do not know the difference between the 2, however it is available if it can benefit you. In fact, if you want to check it out, send me $3.50 postage and I will send it out for your consideration and opportunity to copy for yourself. When you are finished, send it back. Brian Stocker 132 E Channel Stockton, CA 95202 209-464-7740 "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Wonderful but would it apply to my model? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > I too believe that the backtension is mechanical. But, I have the deck > (mint) and the > > users manual for a tc756 and tc756-2 that I will copy/ship for $10.00 > > > > Brian > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > years. > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > are > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > In > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > to > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > copy > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > tension > > > system. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > Off topic > > > > ............................................................................ > > > ........................... > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > cassettes > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > back > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > John > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 3 17:58:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:58:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93BA@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <005701c0bc5a$6db60da0$ee199bca@smarzuki> I'm surprised to hear that Bose allows its product to be a-b'ed with other better speakers. Usually it has its own demo room, smaller in size, but never get anywhere close to other system. I think that shows how good its strategy to fool the market. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BOSE > Onetime I took a workmate to a high end shop while traveling on business. > He saw the Bose $3,000 mini sytem and started getting all excited. I had > the owner put on some music and he enjoyed it. I then had the owner put the > same music on another system with B&W 802's. He reaction was WOW I've never > heard anything this good!!! > > Bose fills the room well with good sound but the imaging is not there. You > can hear instruments or voices but they sound like they came from somewhere > over there. Bose is good to fill a room with sound if you don't want to sit > down and really listen and feel like your there. > > The B&W's and others, which the 802's were a little cheaper than the Bose, > are designed to provide pin point accuracy of where instruments and voices > are at. You can feel and almost see guitars being picked; keys being > pressed on piano, woodwind or brass instruments; the drum stick stricking > the cymbols or heads. My workmate was amazed how much more it made you feel > like you were there. > > For the price Bose charges they should be able to market properly. Smart > company. For my tastes I can find other High End brands that are much more > enjoyable for the same price or cheaper. > > Kurtis > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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So keep your vindictive posts off the group and shut up Volpatti, unless you have something good to offer Sincerely, Brian Stocker Stephen Sank wrote: > I would just like to input that Brian Stocker has been a client of mine for > some months now & he has been nothing short of a honest, accomodating & in > every way an excellent customer. > Just my two cents. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 18:57:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:57:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> <003f01c0bc3d$b07d4300$4a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3ACA00DE.BA5F14B2@concentric.net> Brian Miller wrote: > > >How do you think did Bush become a president? > > He beat a crooked idiot! Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! Surprise!! -- Ron > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > > > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > > > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > > > products in other industries being #1. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > Better believe it! Bose Marketing is right up there > > with some of the best in the world. Carver wasn't so > > bad, either. Wonder about other industries? Look at > > cereals. Guess how come they sell at 500% markup? > > Look at diamonds. did know they sell at around 400% > > profit? > > > > It all boils down to the purpose of advertising. > > Most people miss it (thinking that it's to increase > > market share, brand recognition, whatever. All true, > > but...) -- the major purpose is to enable manufacturers > > to increase prices. In Capitalistic cultures, charging > > as much as the traffic will bear is considered goodness > > and smart. Prices are set by how much people are willing > > to pay for a product and, that, in turn, depends on how > > much they want the product. > > > > There are clear, mathematical ways to calculate the > > optimum price (meaning, the price that will generate > > the highest profit) for a product. Not surprising, this > > price is a function of (among other factors) expenditure > > on advertising. > > > > Today, you can sell almost anything, at almost any > > price, given enough advertising dollars. How do you > > think did Bush become a president? > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 19:02:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:02:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <66.d8a207e.27fb2e35@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ACA021B.C0BEB86F@concentric.net> THE ONLY WAY TO GET RID OF HIM IS TO T O T A L L Y IGNORE HIM. Kill file him or just hit Delete every time you see his name. -- Ron BrianjD107 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/2/01 8:22:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > > << From: Raayymmoond at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > - --part1_ae.13019f22.27fa9b76_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > < your > stupid messages. >> > > other pearls of wisdom gleaned from 20 digests clogging my in-box in 24 hrs... > > > < answers.>> > > > Graham you Moron, those questions were all asked in this Forum, and answered > > or adressed by Carlos. So maybe you should have read some more, since your > > long absence, before opening your trap, and looking like an idiot. People > > wanted to know about reel to reel tapes, and a good cassette deck for their > > car, and the faulty info on Tandberg Parts in Denmark. So you oughtta get > a > > life. R.J. > > ======== > > >> > Grahm, You dont know what abuse is my friend. Dont ever try to repromand > me, I dont take crap from you or anyone else. So you back off, Loser! R.J. > << > > >>Hey Ron, Get Bent.<< > > >> > Good, You Yuppies aren't my cup of tea anyways. Go Buy a Bridge somewhere, > and tell yourselves its worth the money. Morons.<< > > >> > Listen, you guys can have your brotherly alliance. I am not looking to win > any one of you over. So defend eachother all you want. But dont be so > ignorant as to not look at the posts, and see who started with tha language. > It was your brother. And no Graham, Carlos, or Ron is going to tell me what > to do. You wanna try to act tough behind your emails, that makes you feel > like men. Bunch of weasels. << > > >> > Wow, marc, i finally see there there is someone who isnt a Stepford here. > You seem to have a mind of your own. Congratulations. Glad im not the only > one. R.J.<< > > >> > Grahm, Welcome back to the forum, Yes and how fitting, you returned after > your Feast Day, you Fool. Go back to Barney and friends, and dont use the > word....S##T! Its a bad word. << > > Help me with this- am I at the Naktalk forum, or rec.audio.assholes??? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Apr 3 19:10:44 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:10:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <200104031532.RAA29934@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <014401c0bc61$055ca0a0$c7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> A generous forum member, his name is on my other computer, has copied me a manual for this machine. He quoted "RV702" as the pot. to adjust. This helped as it moved the left swinging tape guide over further left but it unfortunately didn't fix the tape to head contact problem. I'm wondering now if the dual capstan assembly needs adjusting. I'm still waiting for the manual to arrive. age ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > From: britri at pacbell.net > Date sent: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:03:36 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Organization: Crystal Brilliance > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > The backtension is electronic, I have a TC-765 which is the 4-track > version of the same deck. I have the servicemanual for this and I > can copy the chapter "supply reel back tension adjustment" and the > schematic diagrams and send it to you John if you give me your > address. > Roy > > > > I dont have a clue as I do not know the difference between the 2, however it is > available if it can benefit you. In fact, if you want to check it out, send me $3.50 > postage and I will send it out for your consideration and opportunity to copy for > yourself. When you are finished, send it back. > > Brian Stocker > 132 E Channel > Stockton, CA 95202 > > 209-464-7740 > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > Wonderful but would it apply to my model? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > I too believe that the backtension is mechanical. But, I have the deck > > (mint) and the > > > users manual for a tc756 and tc756-2 that I will copy/ship for $10.00 > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > Afraid I can't personally help on this one, but I can make a suggestion. > > > > Call around repair shops that have been Sony servicers for a million > > years. > > > > I can think of a few in the Philadelphia area, although not sure which > > are > > > > still in business. In the city- Electronic Workshop, Sound Service Co., > > > > David Mann Audio, Comet Camera. In Abington, Pa.- Jones Electronics. > > In > > > > Cherry Hill, N.J.- Audiotronics, Bell Electronics. That's all that come > > to > > > > mind at the moment. Any of them would either sell you an original or a > > copy > > > > for next to nothing, I'm sure. > > > > Been too long since I've worked on that specific model to help with a > > > > remedy, although I would almost swear that it's a mechanical back > > tension > > > > system. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:20 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 > > > > > > > > Off topic > > > > > > ............................................................................ > > > > ........................... > > > > Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it > > cassettes > > > > or reel, tend to be one and the same. > > > > > > > > "Houston, we have a problem". > > > > > > > > My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel > > back > > > > tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot > > > > find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel > > > > everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. > > > > > > > > Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! > > > > > > > > I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a > > > > fixed resister that has changed its value. > > > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] 481 > Here's a question to our advanced technicians to distract you from the > recent bacchanalia. > > Recently, my Nak 481 has ceased playing in a quite unexpected way: it was > quietly playing a tape and suddenly just stopped. All lights were on, but it > simply wouldn't react to pushing any buttons, except REW., when the headbase > only jerked and... nothing happened after that. In Play-mode capstans do not > rotate either, neither do reels in any of the Winding-modes. When pushing > the Rec. button, the Cam jerks to the rec.-mark and gets released again. > This is all the deck does. > > So, gurus, where to start looking at? > > Sincerely > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Apr 3 19:52:30 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:52:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> <003f01c0bc3d$b07d4300$4a021fac@brianm> <3ACA00DE.BA5F14B2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <019f01c0bc66$db9f2520$4a021fac@brianm> Get real Ron! Don't even try to lower Bush with the Clinton/Gore crew! To deny their corruption is foolish. Spare me the "He didn't really win" crying jag! Be blessed! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > >How do you think did Bush become a president? > > > > He beat a crooked idiot! > > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > Surprise!! > > -- Ron > > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > > > > > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. Is > > > > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder about > > > > products in other industries being #1. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > Better believe it! Bose Marketing is right up there > > > with some of the best in the world. Carver wasn't so > > > bad, either. Wonder about other industries? Look at > > > cereals. Guess how come they sell at 500% markup? > > > Look at diamonds. did know they sell at around 400% > > > profit? > > > > > > It all boils down to the purpose of advertising. > > > Most people miss it (thinking that it's to increase > > > market share, brand recognition, whatever. All true, > > > but...) -- the major purpose is to enable manufacturers > > > to increase prices. In Capitalistic cultures, charging > > > as much as the traffic will bear is considered goodness > > > and smart. Prices are set by how much people are willing > > > to pay for a product and, that, in turn, depends on how > > > much they want the product. > > > > > > There are clear, mathematical ways to calculate the > > > optimum price (meaning, the price that will generate > > > the highest profit) for a product. Not surprising, this > > > price is a function of (among other factors) expenditure > > > on advertising. > > > > > > Today, you can sell almost anything, at almost any > > > price, given enough advertising dollars. How do you > > > think did Bush become a president? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 19:53:58 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:53:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] My 2c on the Brian & Jim controversy Message-ID: <36.13eb34a3.27fb6836@aol.com> I agree with Jim Volpatti. I talked to you earlier Brian about a Tandberg, and you went and posted without my consent, my email in the forum. When you had earlier stated to contact you about pricing, then after i did, you put it in open forum. You should learn some manners as well. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The real Bose speakers like the 901 mk whatever are based on Mr Bose's theory of symphony hall in Boston (my favourite hall in america). And alas if you care about soundstaging or imaging, transient response dynamic range and music sounding like real music the theory of reflectivity is just plain wrong. but they do have a *look* that defines college dorms of the sixties. If you own a pair and like them *enjoy* if your looking for *real* speakers that play real music avoid them like the plague. Having said that Amar Bose is a professor at MIT and has built and audio compant that has lasted for a very long time. A company that is one of the largest in the world (although I'd like to compare sales figures with API in Canada and Jm Labs(focal) in France) and for that he deserves credit YMMV Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Raayymmond at aol.com Tue Apr 3 19:59:29 2001 From: Raayymmond at aol.com (Raayymmond at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:59:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <62.d4eb335.27fb6981@aol.com> He didnt win. Lost by more than half a million votes. And didnt really win Florida either, come on now, you must know that. R.J. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 20:01:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:01:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93BA@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3ACA0FDC.733F4BDD@earthlink.net> Hi Kurtis, Perhaps your speaking of the B & W 805, their bottom of the line bookshelf speaker. The 802 is second from the top of the line, floor standing and certainly doesn't cost less than $3000. I wouldn't want my fellow Naksters to get the impression that B & W dropped their pants on pricing! Cheers, Jim Volpatti "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > Onetime I took a workmate to a high end shop while traveling on business. > He saw the Bose $3,000 mini sytem and started getting all excited. I had > the owner put on some music and he enjoyed it. I then had the owner put the > same music on another system with B&W 802's. He reaction was WOW I've never > heard anything this good!!! > > Bose fills the room well with good sound but the imaging is not there. You > can hear instruments or voices but they sound like they came from somewhere > over there. Bose is good to fill a room with sound if you don't want to sit > down and really listen and feel like your there. > > The B&W's and others, which the 802's were a little cheaper than the Bose, > are designed to provide pin point accuracy of where instruments and voices > are at. You can feel and almost see guitars being picked; keys being > pressed on piano, woodwind or brass instruments; the drum stick stricking > the cymbols or heads. My workmate was amazed how much more it made you feel > like you were there. > > For the price Bose charges they should be able to market properly. Smart > company. For my tastes I can find other High End brands that are much more > enjoyable for the same price or cheaper. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:33 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > Yes, unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you evaluate it) > > advertising IS that powerful. Now, I haven't heard the Wave Radio, but I > > cannot believe it sounds anywhere near the B&O Beosound 1. > > > > BOSE has done a good job with their marketing efforts - direct mail, mall > > presence, in-home demonstrations, television commercials, magazine print > > ads. > > And, the fact that their gear doesn't sound THAT bad in their showrooms > > helps boost their "claims." Moreover, everyone hasn't had the > > opportunities > > we have all had in this area. I think I'm "safe" in saying that this is a > > > > VERY sophisticated group of enthusiast. > > > > The collective musical backgrounds range from studio engineers, > > specialized > > audio company owners and manufacturers, musicians, and even a few DJ's - > > all > > with years of experience in and around audio equipment and sound > > environments. Most people, or what is referred to as the "average" > > consumer > > has not experienced such diverse and compelling musical experiences. So, > > high brand recognition coupled with decent sound, and mixed with a > > balanced > > presence (e.g. TV, mail, store) is enough to drive sales to very high > > volumes. Again, just my 2 cents... > > > > -Sam > > > > PS > > > > Would you all still love me if I purchased anything by BOSE? :-) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 20:03:16 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:03:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE In-Reply-To: <3ACA00DE.BA5F14B2@concentric.net> Message-ID: NO WAY. Bush is not crooked and is NOT an idiot. I don't care what Dennis Miller says, he is a smart dude. He is also a great leader. He is the one that did his fathers dirty work back then. He knows what's up...and while he may not be exempt from all 'crookedness'....he is far from the that Democrap Clinton or Gore. I think it is impossible to be free from that in politics. I believe his intentions are good. I just wish Perot won when he ran. Nak content: I bet Perot has a Nakamichi. Alex > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > Surprise!! > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 3 20:10:28 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:10:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93C0@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> What we listened to was actually the 802's. It was about 4 years ago and I cannot remember the exact prices, I do know that the Complete Bose system was ocer $3,000 which is high enought that a person should look at the B & W and other true high end brands. I was thinking the 802's were under $4,000 but I must not be remembering correctly. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:01 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > Hi Kurtis, > > Perhaps your speaking of the B & W 805, their bottom of the line bookshelf > speaker. The 802 is second from the top of the line, floor standing and > certainly doesn't cost less than $3000. I wouldn't want my fellow Naksters > to > get the impression that B & W dropped their pants on pricing! > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > Onetime I took a workmate to a high end shop while traveling on > business. > > He saw the Bose $3,000 mini sytem and started getting all excited. I > had > > the owner put on some music and he enjoyed it. I then had the owner put > the > > same music on another system with B&W 802's. He reaction was WOW I've > never > > heard anything this good!!! > > > > Bose fills the room well with good sound but the imaging is not there. > You > > can hear instruments or voices but they sound like they came from > somewhere > > over there. Bose is good to fill a room with sound if you don't want to > sit > > down and really listen and feel like your there. > > > > The B&W's and others, which the 802's were a little cheaper than the > Bose, > > are designed to provide pin point accuracy of where instruments and > voices > > are at. You can feel and almost see guitars being picked; keys being > > pressed on piano, woodwind or brass instruments; the drum stick > stricking > > the cymbols or heads. My workmate was amazed how much more it made you > feel > > like you were there. > > > > For the price Bose charges they should be able to market properly. > Smart > > company. For my tastes I can find other High End brands that are much > more > > enjoyable for the same price or cheaper. > > > > Kurtis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:33 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > > > Yes, unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you evaluate it) > > > advertising IS that powerful. Now, I haven't heard the Wave Radio, > but I > > > cannot believe it sounds anywhere near the B&O Beosound 1. > > > > > > BOSE has done a good job with their marketing efforts - direct mail, > mall > > > presence, in-home demonstrations, television commercials, magazine > print > > > ads. > > > And, the fact that their gear doesn't sound THAT bad in their > showrooms > > > helps boost their "claims." Moreover, everyone hasn't had the > > > opportunities > > > we have all had in this area. I think I'm "safe" in saying that this > is a > > > > > > VERY sophisticated group of enthusiast. > > > > > > The collective musical backgrounds range from studio engineers, > > > specialized > > > audio company owners and manufacturers, musicians, and even a few DJ's > - > > > all > > > with years of experience in and around audio equipment and sound > > > environments. Most people, or what is referred to as the "average" > > > consumer > > > has not experienced such diverse and compelling musical experiences. > So, > > > high brand recognition coupled with decent sound, and mixed with a > > > balanced > > > presence (e.g. TV, mail, store) is enough to drive sales to very high > > > volumes. Again, just my 2 cents... > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > PS > > > > > > Would you all still love me if I purchased anything by BOSE? :-) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 20:12:07 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:12:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My 2c on the Brian & Jim controversy References: <070f01c0bc15$408d21a0$323442cf@sank1> <3AC9FA72.D0AA11B5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3ACA1277.9EF37A0D@earthlink.net> Funny Brian. You wouldn't tell me to shut up if you were standing in front of me, and yet you feel its safe to do so via this users' group. I'm only informing the others of my unhappiness from transaction with you. That is all. I certainly will not shut up. I have much to offer this group, and you stand to learn much too. So instead of telling me to shut up, why don't you sit back and learn a little something. OK, lets drop this and move on to a more productive topic. Jim Volpatti britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Thank you Stephen. As to the rest of the naktalkers. My ebay record speaks for > itself. If anybody really cares, my ebay id is bribri. This site has never and > should never be a forum to air out dirty laundry as Volpatti says it should or is. So > keep your vindictive posts off the group and shut up Volpatti, unless you have > something good to offer > > Sincerely, > > Brian Stocker > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I would just like to input that Brian Stocker has been a client of mine for > > some months now & he has been nothing short of a honest, accomodating & in > > every way an excellent customer. > > Just my two cents. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Tue Apr 3 20:21:44 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:21:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE In-Reply-To: <3ACA00DE.BA5F14B2@concentric.net> References: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> <003f01c0bc3d$b07d4300$4a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010403141539.02531600@mail.verizon.net> Ron, As you can see by his footer, Brian lives in a fantasy world. __________________ Marc Stager ======================= Brian Miller wrote: How do you think did Bush become a president? He beat a crooked idiot! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----------------------------------------------- >Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts >(idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't >even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added >by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! >Surprise!! > >-- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Apr 3 20:27:23 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:27:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] List changes Message-ID: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> Hi everyone, Some changes have been made to this list. + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I don't like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may take a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a regular basis. + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list members'. This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest members plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have noticed. So if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal list! The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd rather not do.... So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 20:38:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:38:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: Speaking of BOSE, and given the collective wisdom and industry "insiders" in this group, does anyone know why some of the other manufacturers have not spent more money on marketing their products? Clearly BOSE has proven that marketing works in this industry, and almost all of the high-end manufacturers have websites, glossy brochures, and some direct mail. And, many of them have high margin products, so the funds are there. Just curious... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE Ron, As you can see by his footer, Brian lives in a fantasy world. __________________ Marc Stager ======================= Brian Miller wrote: How do you think did Bush become a president? He beat a crooked idiot! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----------------------------------------------- Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! Surprise!! -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 3 20:46:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:46:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <000401c0bc6e$793959c0$f11a9bca@smarzuki> Yes, and Bush loves his jvc's DIGIFINE. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" > NO WAY. Bush is not crooked and is NOT an idiot. I don't care what Dennis > Miller says, he is a smart dude. He is also a great leader. He is the one > that did his fathers dirty work back then. He knows what's up...and while > he may not be exempt from all 'crookedness'....he is far from the that > Democrap Clinton or Gore. I think it is impossible to be free from that in > politics. I believe his intentions are good. I just wish Perot won when he > ran. Nak content: I bet Perot has a Nakamichi. > > Alex > > > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > > Surprise!! > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 20:51:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:51:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC93C0@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3ACA1BB7.D6679302@earthlink.net> No problem Kurtis. According to my 1998 Audio buyer's guide, the 802 went for $5000/pr. Now don't get my wrong, I'm sure even a comparably priced B & W would eat the Bose for lunch! Cheers, Jim Volpatti "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > What we listened to was actually the 802's. It was about 4 years ago and I > cannot remember the exact prices, I do know that the Complete Bose system > was ocer $3,000 which is high enought that a person should look at the B & W > and other true high end brands. I was thinking the 802's were under $4,000 > but I must not be remembering correctly. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:01 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > Perhaps your speaking of the B & W 805, their bottom of the line bookshelf > > speaker. The 802 is second from the top of the line, floor standing and > > certainly doesn't cost less than $3000. I wouldn't want my fellow Naksters > > to > > get the impression that B & W dropped their pants on pricing! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > > > Onetime I took a workmate to a high end shop while traveling on > > business. > > > He saw the Bose $3,000 mini sytem and started getting all excited. I > > had > > > the owner put on some music and he enjoyed it. I then had the owner put > > the > > > same music on another system with B&W 802's. He reaction was WOW I've > > never > > > heard anything this good!!! > > > > > > Bose fills the room well with good sound but the imaging is not there. > > You > > > can hear instruments or voices but they sound like they came from > > somewhere > > > over there. Bose is good to fill a room with sound if you don't want to > > sit > > > down and really listen and feel like your there. > > > > > > The B&W's and others, which the 802's were a little cheaper than the > > Bose, > > > are designed to provide pin point accuracy of where instruments and > > voices > > > are at. You can feel and almost see guitars being picked; keys being > > > pressed on piano, woodwind or brass instruments; the drum stick > > stricking > > > the cymbols or heads. My workmate was amazed how much more it made you > > feel > > > like you were there. > > > > > > For the price Bose charges they should be able to market properly. > > Smart > > > company. For my tastes I can find other High End brands that are much > > more > > > enjoyable for the same price or cheaper. > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:33 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > > > > > Yes, unfortunately or fortunately (depending on how you evaluate it) > > > > advertising IS that powerful. Now, I haven't heard the Wave Radio, > > but I > > > > cannot believe it sounds anywhere near the B&O Beosound 1. > > > > > > > > BOSE has done a good job with their marketing efforts - direct mail, > > mall > > > > presence, in-home demonstrations, television commercials, magazine > > print > > > > ads. > > > > And, the fact that their gear doesn't sound THAT bad in their > > showrooms > > > > helps boost their "claims." Moreover, everyone hasn't had the > > > > opportunities > > > > we have all had in this area. I think I'm "safe" in saying that this > > is a > > > > > > > > VERY sophisticated group of enthusiast. > > > > > > > > The collective musical backgrounds range from studio engineers, > > > > specialized > > > > audio company owners and manufacturers, musicians, and even a few DJ's > > - > > > > all > > > > with years of experience in and around audio equipment and sound > > > > environments. Most people, or what is referred to as the "average" > > > > consumer > > > > has not experienced such diverse and compelling musical experiences. > > So, > > > > high brand recognition coupled with decent sound, and mixed with a > > > > balanced > > > > presence (e.g. TV, mail, store) is enough to drive sales to very high > > > > volumes. Again, just my 2 cents... > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > > > > Would you all still love me if I purchased anything by BOSE? :-) > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Apr 3 20:53:37 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:53:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <003c01c0bc6f$64e73680$a0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Here we go again............. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BOSE > NO WAY. Bush is not crooked and is NOT an idiot. I don't care what Dennis > Miller says, he is a smart dude. He is also a great leader. He is the one > that did his fathers dirty work back then. He knows what's up...and while > he may not be exempt from all 'crookedness'....he is far from the that > Democrap Clinton or Gore. I think it is impossible to be free from that in > politics. I believe his intentions are good. I just wish Perot won when he > ran. Nak content: I bet Perot has a Nakamichi. > > Alex > > > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > > Surprise!! > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kent >>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 04/03/01 01:27PM >>> Hi everyone, Some changes have been made to this list. + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I don't like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may take a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a regular basis. + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list members'. This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest members plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have noticed. So if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal list! The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd rather not do.... So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 21:17:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:17:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <23.9b90a6f.27fb7bbf@aol.com> Not to get into this Bush vs. Gore debate, but it raises an interesting question - I wonder what type of system the President or past Presidents have used in the oval office and in their respective suites? Regardless of your political affiliation, it is often said that the President gets the very best there is to offer in everything. (e.g. food, chefs, utensils, clothing, and so on). And, I understand much of what is used is custom made for the President. (Tiffany may OEM the silverware and it reads the President of the United States) Does each President choose the components he wants? I'm sure if the President wanted an immaculate 1000ZXL, Dragon, B215, Tandberg 3014a, or Dragon Turntable he would have one if they had to build one for him. For example, if the President of Japan knows that the American President is a musician or music buff, does he present a gold-plated 1000ZXL to the President as a gift during a visit? Some Presidents probably care less if it's Radio Shack or Krell. But I'm also sure that some of them are sophisticated listeners and probably ask for their favorite components. And yes, that could include a BOSE wave radio system. ( I just thought I'd throw that in given the latest BOSE discussions) Jeff or Stephen - over the years have either of you been asked to repair a component for the President? I'll say this, if the President (past, current, and future) knew of the two of you and your services He would have you repair his Dragon deck that stopped working in his home and just sits there because he can't find someone to repair it! Maybe we at Naktalkers should send an email message to the President informing him of these two highly skilled experts of audio? Can you imagine repairing the President's broken B215? He'd probably invite you to his Christmas gala in appreciation. Especially if it was inoperative for a long period of time. Who records all of the Kennedy Center Honor performances that the President attends? Who records the President's "special performances" throughout the year? Is it analog? Digital? What happens when he ask for a copy of one of the performances? Is he given a CD, a cassette, a reel, a digital file. We know he has his own theater. What components is in use in his home theater? There is definitely "gear" there and being used? Given the sophistication of this group, we may be a little disappointed or highly impressed if we knew what he and his technical staff were using? As a marketing guy and entrepreneur I am always searching for the opportunity, even if I have to create it. Don't laugh, this is not that far fetched - I am sure our Presidents have gear they enjoy that no longer functions and is in need of repair. Who better to do it than Jeff or Stephen? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 21:51:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:51:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <23.9b90a6f.27fb7bbf@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ACA29B4.6C2A3534@earthlink.net> Great post Sam! Makes you wonder. And I definitely agree regarding Stephen's expertise. My Nak has needed any service yet but when it does, it's going to Albuquerque. Cheers, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Not to get into this Bush vs. Gore debate, but it raises an interesting > question - I wonder what type of system the President or past Presidents have > used in the oval office and in their respective suites? Regardless of your > political affiliation, it is often said that the President gets the very best > there is to offer in everything. (e.g. food, chefs, utensils, clothing, and > so on). And, I understand much of what is used is custom made for the > President. (Tiffany may OEM the silverware and it reads the President of the > United States) > > Does each President choose the components he wants? I'm sure if the > President wanted an immaculate 1000ZXL, Dragon, B215, Tandberg 3014a, or > Dragon Turntable he would have one if they had to build one for him. For > example, if the President of Japan knows that the American President is a > musician or music buff, does he present a gold-plated 1000ZXL to the > President as a gift during a visit? > > Some Presidents probably care less if it's Radio Shack or Krell. But I'm > also sure that some of them are sophisticated listeners and probably ask for > their favorite components. And yes, that could include a BOSE wave radio > system. ( I just thought I'd throw that in given the latest BOSE discussions) > > Jeff or Stephen - over the years have either of you been asked to repair a > component for the President? I'll say this, if the President (past, current, > and future) knew of the two of you and your services He would have you repair > his Dragon deck that stopped working in his home and just sits there because > he can't find someone to repair it! > > Maybe we at Naktalkers should send an email message to the President > informing him of these two highly skilled experts of audio? Can you imagine > repairing the President's broken B215? He'd probably invite you to his > Christmas gala in appreciation. Especially if it was inoperative for a long > period of time. > > Who records all of the Kennedy Center Honor performances that the President > attends? Who records the President's "special performances" throughout the > year? Is it analog? Digital? What happens when he ask for a copy of one of > the performances? Is he given a CD, a cassette, a reel, a digital file. We > know he has his own theater. What components is in use in his home theater? > There is definitely "gear" there and being used? > > Given the sophistication of this group, we may be a little disappointed or > highly impressed if we knew what he and his technical staff were using? As a > marketing guy and entrepreneur I am always searching for the opportunity, > even if I have to create it. Don't laugh, this is not that far fetched - I > am sure our Presidents have gear they enjoy that no longer functions and is > in need of repair. Who better to do it than Jeff or Stephen? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 3 22:05:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:05:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <76.9281fa6.27fb870e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/2001 2:57:16 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << jvolpatti at earthlink.net >> Thanks Jim! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mpatrick at voicenet.com Tue Apr 3 22:56:59 2001 From: mpatrick at voicenet.com (FabFourFan) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:56:59 GMT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in Nissan-BOSE sy... In-Reply-To: <06c301c0bc0d$552bbb60$323442cf@sank1> References: <06c301c0bc0d$552bbb60$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3acb3765.1779324@mail.voicenet.com> The original 901 eq was 20dB at 20Hz !!! (We measured our sample in the lab in the 70's.) ...but the 901s did sound OK playing old Moody Blues lps, right? :-) Mike "No highs, no lows - Bose!" is my favorite polite Bose saying' Patrick On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:11:40 -0600, you wrote: >The 901 EQ box does something like 10dB of boost at the low end & top end. >Really extreme, whatever the actual numbers. The reason they can handle >assloads of power is that each voicecoil only has to dissipate one ninth of >the energy, plus the 22ga wire adds a fair amount of resistance in series. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:41 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh in Subaru and about cassette sound in >Nissan-BOSE sy... > > >> "Even the original 901 was one of the highest distortion speakers on the >> planet. Especially on IM distortion. The thing was & is 9 midrange drivers >> being abused by radical EQ'ing into doing full range." >> >> I use to wonder what the eq module was for, and when I asked the BOSE rep in >> the showroom they always answered in generalities. (e.g. "It is a patented >> design to help deliver the rich sound") To bad, the "look" is very impressive. >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 23:45:16 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:45:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE In-Reply-To: <01f301c0bc6d$4f211840$4a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brian....you turned the other cheek..no? :-) Alex -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE Thanks Marc, I love you too!! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 23:45:52 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:45:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE In-Reply-To: <000401c0bc6e$793959c0$f11a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Digifine....sounds like a Pokemon character. Alex > Yes, and Bush loves his jvc's DIGIFINE. > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Apr 3 23:56:07 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:56:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> <005101c0bbc1$b6fead80$f38ee2c3@a9u3z8> <051301c0bbdb$7f50af40$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00dd01c0bc88$e3946020$e38ee2c3@a9u3z8> Yes, I thought that the price of the 5 was too close to what they were asking for the 7II. The guy over here who's selling the MB-2 is wanting £225 for it, which is quite a lot more than the 7, relatively speaking. Haven't seen a CDPlayer 2 for sale over here. I'll talk to B & W about the 7. If I take it at the same time as the ST-7, they won't charge any extra for carriage. Thanks for your help. Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Having just a few weeks ago wired money to B&W for some discontinued 1000ZXL > chips, I can say that the price on the 5 is too high, but that in the 7II is > quite reasonable. I'd take that over an MB-2, but not over a CDPlayer2. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > Thanks. The two CD players available in the UK are through Bowers & > > Wilkins. They're asking £120 for the '5 and £140 for the '7II. Not sure > > what that is in US dollars. Could be worth taking the risk for the sound > > and build quality, particularly the seven. Would it sound better than the > > MB-2 Mk1, or are we splitting hairs here? The latter has dual 20 bit dacs > > with 8x oversampling, but I know that doesn't guarantee better sound. > > > > I've managed to find an ST-7, which I'm looking forward to receiving soon. > > > > Cheers, Sinclair. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, > that > > I > > > have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is > > > pretty remarkable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II > on > > > the > > > > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > > > > > > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been > > > impossible > > > > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, > > and > > > > much > > > > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > > > > rational > > > > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series > units > > > > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the > > > laser, > > > > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the > > > possibility > > > > > of > > > > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But > > I've > > > > > heard > > > > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it > > fails. > > > > Is > > > > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & > rubber > > > > > > cleaning. > > > > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for > most > > > > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > > > > stripping > > > > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only > gets > > > tape > > > > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber > > surface > > > > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene > > > plastics(but > > > > > not > > > > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you > > shouldn't > > > > let > > > > > > it > > > > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from > > > "head > > > > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more > > > expensive > > > > > than > > > > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store > and > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different > > alcohols > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings > on > > > the > > > > > > label > > > > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads > > and > > > > it > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. > However, > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in > > advance > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 3 23:58:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:58:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <3AC937C8.4413266@concentric.net> <003f01c0bc3d$b07d4300$4a021fac@brianm> <3ACA00DE.BA5F14B2@concentric.net> <019f01c0bc66$db9f2520$4a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3ACA4799.EB1E1D36@concentric.net> Brian, I feel nothing but contempt for Bush and Co., but never mind. This is too OT to deserve any space here. Let's move on to more interesting topics. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > Get real Ron! Don't even try to lower Bush with the Clinton/Gore crew! To > deny their corruption is foolish. > > Spare me the "He didn't really win" crying jag! > > Be blessed! > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > > >How do you think did Bush become a president? > > > > > > He beat a crooked idiot! > > > > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > > Surprise!! > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that > whoever > > > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > > > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just can't believe that as bad as BOSE is, that they can be #1. > Is > > > > > advertising THIS powerful? It boggles the mind. Makes you wonder > about > > > > > products in other industries being #1. > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better believe it! Bose Marketing is right up there > > > > with some of the best in the world. Carver wasn't so > > > > bad, either. Wonder about other industries? Look at > > > > cereals. Guess how come they sell at 500% markup? > > > > Look at diamonds. did know they sell at around 400% > > > > profit? > > > > > > > > It all boils down to the purpose of advertising. > > > > Most people miss it (thinking that it's to increase > > > > market share, brand recognition, whatever. All true, > > > > but...) -- the major purpose is to enable manufacturers > > > > to increase prices. In Capitalistic cultures, charging > > > > as much as the traffic will bear is considered goodness > > > > and smart. Prices are set by how much people are willing > > > > to pay for a product and, that, in turn, depends on how > > > > much they want the product. > > > > > > > > There are clear, mathematical ways to calculate the > > > > optimum price (meaning, the price that will generate > > > > the highest profit) for a product. Not surprising, this > > > > price is a function of (among other factors) expenditure > > > > on advertising. > > > > > > > > Today, you can sell almost anything, at almost any > > > > price, given enough advertising dollars. How do you > > > > think did Bush become a president? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 4 00:17:49 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:17:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My 2c on the Brian & Jim controversy References: <070f01c0bc15$408d21a0$323442cf@sank1> <3AC9FA72.D0AA11B5@pacbell.net> <3ACA1277.9EF37A0D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002b01c0bc8b$ebf434e0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> I warmly thank you both of you guys ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > > OK, lets drop this and move on to a more productive topic. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Thank you Stephen. As to the rest of the naktalkers. My ebay record speaks for > > itself. If anybody really cares, my ebay id is bribri. This site has never and > > should never be a forum to air out dirty laundry as Volpatti says it should or is. So > > keep your vindictive posts off the group and shut up Volpatti, unless you have > > something good to offer > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I would just like to input that Brian Stocker has been a client of mine for > > > some months now & he has been nothing short of a honest, accomodating & in > > > every way an excellent customer. > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 4 00:19:01 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:19:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <003c01c0bc6f$64e73680$a0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <003701c0bc8c$1693c440$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> No, hang in there Alex, the guys are just kidding ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > Here we go again............. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:03 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BOSE > > > > NO WAY. Bush is not crooked and is NOT an idiot. I don't care what > Dennis > > Miller says, he is a smart dude. He is also a great leader. He is the > one > > that did his fathers dirty work back then. He knows what's up...and while > > he may not be exempt from all 'crookedness'....he is far from the that > > Democrap Clinton or Gore. I think it is impossible to be free from that > in > > politics. I believe his intentions are good. I just wish Perot won when > he > > ran. Nak content: I bet Perot has a Nakamichi. > > > > Alex > > > > > Not really, Brian. Bush wins on both counts > > > (idiocy and crookedness). besides, Bush didn't > > > even beat him. It was that Harris woman, added > > > by the high court. Guess what, it's Republican! > > > Surprise!! > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 4 00:22:52 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:22:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks References: <66.d8a207e.27fb2e35@aol.com> <3ACA021B.C0BEB86F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005c01c0bc8c$a00ca340$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> I thought everyone agree on this ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks > > THE ONLY WAY TO GET RID OF HIM IS TO T O T A L L Y > IGNORE HIM. Kill file him or just hit Delete every > time you see his name. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 4 00:30:52 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bose References: <200104031532.RAA29934@zebra.naks.com> <001b01c0bc67$21ae5360$d2f53fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008c01c0bc8d$bdda8800$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> Agree with you Warren. I have always admired their advertising geniuses. Righ now they're so solid than no other speaker company (perhaps Klipsch) dream about that first place ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Bose > My feelings on the Bose are simple > the car systems are what they are brands to add perceived value > to a car. The value comes from Bose's intense advertising campaign. > They are the only major audio manufacturer to advertise in mainstream > magazines and on TV on a constant basis. Sony does it ocassionally > but there is no other *speaker Maker* out there who does it. > The lifestyle systems have a great *waf* and fit into a house easily the > fact that say radio shack minimus 7 speakers sound better, cost less and > fit just as easily into the home is beside the point. > The real Bose speakers like the 901 mk whatever are based on Mr Bose's > theory of symphony hall in Boston (my favourite hall in america). And alas > if you care about soundstaging or imaging, transient response dynamic range > and music sounding like real music the theory of reflectivity is just plain > wrong. > but they do have a *look* that defines college dorms of the sixties. > If you own a pair and like them *enjoy* if your looking for *real* speakers > that play real music avoid them like the plague. > Having said that Amar Bose is a professor at MIT and has built and audio > compant that has lasted for a very long time. A company that is one of the > largest in the world (although I'd like to compare sales figures with API in > Canada and Jm Labs(focal) in France) and for that he deserves credit > YMMV > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 4 00:30:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:30:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: Message-ID: <3ACA4F17.6DE3EA8A@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of BOSE, and given the collective wisdom and industry "insiders" in > this group, does anyone know why some of the other manufacturers have not > spent more money on marketing their products? Clearly BOSE has proven that > marketing works in this industry, and almost all of the high-end > manufacturers have websites, glossy brochures, and some direct mail. And, > many of them have high margin products, so the funds are there. Just > curious... > > -Sam Let me guess... Advertising dollars built into Bose products are very high. There is room, because the product itself is very cheap to make. The final product price is equal to a far higher quality product from the competition, where a lot more is invested in the product and far less in the promotion. If Krell (for example) were to invest ten times as much in their product advertising, it would not materially improve sales volume, because the Krell market does not support a higher price than it already carries. The only way to do it is to lower product quality. Krell is not the kind of company that would choose this route. IOW, the only products that would benefit from the Bose strategy are those engineered for low price, than heavily promoted to allow inflated pricing. The kind of vendor that would stand a chance is, maybe, Radio Shack (but it would take them many years and many more millions to counteract their current poor image). Henry Kloss (Cambridge Soundworks) does it to a degree, but he chose to limit his appetite (he has a reasonable table radio with CD for about half the CD Wave Radio). Just my $0.02. I am not even sure I am right... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 4 00:32:37 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:32:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> Thanks for you help, Wouter. This wasn't supposed to happen, but as the americans says: " Shit Happens " ! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] List changes > Hi everyone, > > Some changes have been made to this list. > > + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I don't > like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may take > a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a > regular basis. > > + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list members'. > This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest members > plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is > inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have noticed. So > if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal list! > > The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd rather > not do.... > > So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 4 01:41:10 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:41:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks In-Reply-To: <005c01c0bc8c$a00ca340$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00d701c0bc97$8fb10300$68d9893e@a4s1s2> Yes, mate - especially the killing bit!!! Rat poison, probably!!! LOL! But then, I'd advocate capital punishment for people who park their cars over the lines of the carparking bays, for able-bodied people who park in the disabled bays and for people who buy ZX-9's or other fine Nak's and keep 'em just to look at! Grrrrrrrrrrr.... (Sorry guys - it's the Viking warrior genes coming to the surface again! Either that or Mad Cow disease.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: 03 April 2001 23:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck-moving on to car decks I thought everyone agree on this ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 03:00:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:00:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Bose Message-ID: What if Klipsch began engaging in an aggressive marketing campaign over the next year? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 03:03:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:03:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <5b.142f1b58.27fbccd9@aol.com> Thanks Ron. I must admit that I am sure there is so "room" with the cost of Krell speakers and amplifiers these days. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 4 02:58:19 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:58:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <000b01c0b2cc$2692c7c0$92232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? Having a NAK old time Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 4 03:25:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:25:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <23.9b90a6f.27fb7bbf@aol.com> Message-ID: <080f01c0bca6$13411800$323442cf@sank1> Not for anything, but I'm quite sure that George Dubbya is a Bose man. I could see Clinton with maybe a Yamaha/Polk system. The only pres I can think of that may have actually had taste in equipment is Carter. Bet he knows what a McIntosh is. I've never worked for any high-up government people or agencies. Philadelphia police department is the highest up I remember working for. My dad did at least on piece of presidential work, which was a clandestine dual mic in a single BK-1 mic body for the LBJ re-election campaign. I loaned the one sample I have of this mic to EQ magazine last September or October & wrote the copy for the feature. Chances are he did other such things, but don't know what. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > Not to get into this Bush vs. Gore debate, but it raises an interesting > question - I wonder what type of system the President or past Presidents have > used in the oval office and in their respective suites? Regardless of your > political affiliation, it is often said that the President gets the very best > there is to offer in everything. (e.g. food, chefs, utensils, clothing, and > so on). And, I understand much of what is used is custom made for the > President. (Tiffany may OEM the silverware and it reads the President of the > United States) > > Does each President choose the components he wants? I'm sure if the > President wanted an immaculate 1000ZXL, Dragon, B215, Tandberg 3014a, or > Dragon Turntable he would have one if they had to build one for him. For > example, if the President of Japan knows that the American President is a > musician or music buff, does he present a gold-plated 1000ZXL to the > President as a gift during a visit? > > Some Presidents probably care less if it's Radio Shack or Krell. But I'm > also sure that some of them are sophisticated listeners and probably ask for > their favorite components. And yes, that could include a BOSE wave radio > system. ( I just thought I'd throw that in given the latest BOSE discussions) > > Jeff or Stephen - over the years have either of you been asked to repair a > component for the President? I'll say this, if the President (past, current, > and future) knew of the two of you and your services He would have you repair > his Dragon deck that stopped working in his home and just sits there because > he can't find someone to repair it! > > Maybe we at Naktalkers should send an email message to the President > informing him of these two highly skilled experts of audio? Can you imagine > repairing the President's broken B215? He'd probably invite you to his > Christmas gala in appreciation. Especially if it was inoperative for a long > period of time. > > Who records all of the Kennedy Center Honor performances that the President > attends? Who records the President's "special performances" throughout the > year? Is it analog? Digital? What happens when he ask for a copy of one of > the performances? Is he given a CD, a cassette, a reel, a digital file. We > know he has his own theater. What components is in use in his home theater? > There is definitely "gear" there and being used? > > Given the sophistication of this group, we may be a little disappointed or > highly impressed if we knew what he and his technical staff were using? As a > marketing guy and entrepreneur I am always searching for the opportunity, > even if I have to create it. Don't laugh, this is not that far fetched - I > am sure our Presidents have gear they enjoy that no longer functions and is > in need of repair. Who better to do it than Jeff or Stephen? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 4 03:26:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:26:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX appraisal References: <3ACA2A10.3B678953@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <081501c0bca6$3804b700$323442cf@sank1> No more issues than other Nak decks of the period. Generally very reliable. Most parts are still available, except for exterior parts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX appraisal > Hi Everyone > > I'm looking at buying a 670ZX as-is > Does anyone know if this model has any > particular quirks, weaknesses or bugs? > Are crucial parts still available? > > Thanks > Javier > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 4 03:27:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:27:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: Message-ID: <3ACA7870.3C79060D@concentric.net> I bought a Service Manual for my VCR from them. Service was slow, but it did finally arrive, in perfect condition. I have no problem with them and would order again, if the need arose. -- Ron > barking wrote: > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone > who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - > > I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, > heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in > the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using > A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of > getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? > > mail or electronic? > > good service or bad? > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a > site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and > idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing > drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in > their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - > as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind > about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter > when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to > detail. She had been under the impression I must of been > talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are > there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in > public or is the laughter too much to bear? > > Having a NAK old time > > Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 03:36:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:36:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <2f.1349c3e2.27fbd499@aol.com> Hi Stephen, The LBJ stuff was cool. And, it's not out of your reach. I know the process is usually tedious unless you know someone. But I'm sure someone in the cabinet, if not the President has a NAK that could use a little tender loving care to bring it back on par. What would you speculate Colin Powell is? I'm sure he's not a BOSE man. Having been in the military, I know he was exposed to top-of-the line equipment. I say Revox or Tandberg and definitely Nakamichi. I'm sure he has a Dragon or RX-505. Any takers? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 4 04:07:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:07:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <2f.1349c3e2.27fbd499@aol.com> Message-ID: <087f01c0bcab$f5cc2480$323442cf@sank1> I'll bet Powell has some big old Sansui stuff from the late 70's or early 80's. And a Teac tape deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > Hi Stephen, > > The LBJ stuff was cool. And, it's not out of your reach. I know the process > is usually tedious unless you know someone. > > But I'm sure someone in the cabinet, if not the President has a NAK that > could use a little tender loving care to bring it back on par. What would > you speculate Colin Powell is? I'm sure he's not a BOSE man. Having been in > the military, I know he was exposed to top-of-the line equipment. I say > Revox or Tandberg and definitely Nakamichi. I'm sure he has a Dragon or > RX-505. Any takers? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at email.msn.com Wed Apr 4 05:52:41 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:52:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009501c0bcba$b51ba280$dc8b113f@Marc> Thanks, Wouter Marc HZL88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] List changes > Hi everyone, > > Some changes have been made to this list. > > + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I don't > like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may take > a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a > regular basis. > > + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list members'. > This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest members > plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is > inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have noticed. So > if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal list! > > The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd rather > not do.... > > So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Wed Apr 4 06:17:11 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:17:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <23.9b90a6f.27fb7bbf@aol.com> <080f01c0bca6$13411800$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ACAA047.EE70FDE1@home.com> SS, et al: Know for a fact that 'G. Dubbya' is a Scott (tube) man, at least in part (i,e., I don't know what else he may use). He COULD rise just a tad on the scale if he owned a 'The Fisher' . Christopher A. Steele Stephen Sank wrote: > > Not for anything, but I'm quite sure that George Dubbya is a Bose man. I > could see Clinton with maybe a Yamaha/Polk system. The only pres I can > think of that may have actually had taste in equipment is Carter. Bet he > knows what a McIntosh is. > I've never worked for any high-up government people or agencies. > Philadelphia police department is the highest up I remember working for. My > dad did at least on piece of presidential work, which was a clandestine dual > mic in a single BK-1 mic body for the LBJ re-election campaign. I loaned > the one sample I have of this mic to EQ magazine last September or October & > wrote the copy for the feature. Chances are he did other such things, but > don't know what. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > Not to get into this Bush vs. Gore debate, but it raises an interesting > > question - I wonder what type of system the President or past Presidents > have > > used in the oval office and in their respective suites? Regardless of > your > > political affiliation, it is often said that the President gets the very > best > > there is to offer in everything. (e.g. food, chefs, utensils, clothing, > and > > so on). And, I understand much of what is used is custom made for the > > President. (Tiffany may OEM the silverware and it reads the President of > the > > United States) > > > > Does each President choose the components he wants? I'm sure if the > > President wanted an immaculate 1000ZXL, Dragon, B215, Tandberg 3014a, or > > Dragon Turntable he would have one if they had to build one for him. For > > example, if the President of Japan knows that the American President is a > > musician or music buff, does he present a gold-plated 1000ZXL to the > > President as a gift during a visit? > > > > Some Presidents probably care less if it's Radio Shack or Krell. But I'm > > also sure that some of them are sophisticated listeners and probably ask > for > > their favorite components. And yes, that could include a BOSE wave radio > > system. ( I just thought I'd throw that in given the latest BOSE > discussions) > > > > Jeff or Stephen - over the years have either of you been asked to repair a > > component for the President? I'll say this, if the President (past, > current, > > and future) knew of the two of you and your services He would have you > repair > > his Dragon deck that stopped working in his home and just sits there > because > > he can't find someone to repair it! > > > > Maybe we at Naktalkers should send an email message to the President > > informing him of these two highly skilled experts of audio? Can you > imagine > > repairing the President's broken B215? He'd probably invite you to his > > Christmas gala in appreciation. Especially if it was inoperative for a > long > > period of time. > > > > Who records all of the Kennedy Center Honor performances that the > President > > attends? Who records the President's "special performances" throughout > the > > year? Is it analog? Digital? What happens when he ask for a copy of one > of > > the performances? Is he given a CD, a cassette, a reel, a digital file. > We > > know he has his own theater. What components is in use in his home > theater? > > There is definitely "gear" there and being used? > > > > Given the sophistication of this group, we may be a little disappointed or > > highly impressed if we knew what he and his technical staff were using? > As a > > marketing guy and entrepreneur I am always searching for the opportunity, > > even if I have to create it. Don't laugh, this is not that far fetched - > I > > am sure our Presidents have gear they enjoy that no longer functions and > is > > in need of repair. Who better to do it than Jeff or Stephen? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 06:24:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:24:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure Message-ID: <37.130e1193.27fbfc12@aol.com> Hi Wouter, I haven't looked lately, but is this something you would be interested in? _Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227355810 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 06:28:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:28:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] another rare find... Message-ID: <9d.13877afc.27fbfcef@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226643826 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 06:47:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:47:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure References: <37.130e1193.27fbfc12@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ACAA753.BEA37ECD@earthlink.net> If it is something you're interested in Wouter, I have one that I could give you. On the house too. I can't believe that people sell this stuff. It does have a "three hole punch" in it though, if this matters. I have two 3" ring binders crammed full of equipment brochures from the late 70s and early 80s. When I was twelve, I used to circle every number on the Stereo Review information card each month and mail it off. Each day after school, I'd come home to stacks and stacks of literature. I couldn't get enough! Little did I know that I would end up with a beautiful 682ZX as an adult! Cheers, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Wouter, > > I haven't looked lately, but is this something you would be interested in? > > _Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227355810 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 06:59:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:59:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure Message-ID: Hey Jim, I use to do the same thing. I wish I had kept my Revox brochure - it was slick, thick, and had lots of glossy images that made the B215 look awesome. Wouter - I have Adobe acrobat so just let me know if you have any files you need converted into .pdf's. I also have a copy of that test tone CD for you. I still haven't figured out how to post the files as even as .wav files they are very large. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 4 07:09:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:39:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <20010404050902.AF7BC1DFBF3@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 07:17:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:17:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure References: Message-ID: <3ACAAE74.C4BC91BE@earthlink.net> Sam, Try winzip (compressing the file). It's available for free as shareware if you don't have it already. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hey Jim, > > I use to do the same thing. I wish I had kept my Revox brochure - it was > slick, thick, and had lots of glossy images that made the B215 look awesome. > > Wouter - I have Adobe acrobat so just let me know if you have any files you > need converted into .pdf's. I also have a copy of that test tone CD for you. > I still haven't figured out how to post the files as even as .wav files they > are very large. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 4 07:18:49 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:48:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] List changes Message-ID: <20010404051849.C57A11DFBEE@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Apr 4 07:22:13 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:22:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104040519.f345Jw723192@student.gu.edu.au> > Wouter - I have Adobe acrobat so just let me know if you have any > files you need converted into .pdf's. I also have a copy of that test > tone CD for you. > I still haven't figured out how to post the files as even as .wav > files they > are very large. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Hey Sam why don't you post me a copy of that CD? I can upload the mp3s to the ftp site. Let me know what you think. Make sure you burn the copy at 1x or 2x only. Use Kodak Gold or Mitsui Gold. Take care Jason > > -Sam > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:55:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:55:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestion Jim! I use it often as it has proven itself to be a great utility. The "problem" I face with compressing music files is that I will lose their clarity and content. And, with test tones it would not serve anyone well to have test tones that are inaccurate. I thought about MP3's, but they are compressed at a ratio of 12:1 and who ever downloads an MP3-version of a test tone will not have all of the content intended. :-( _Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:56:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:56:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure Message-ID: Hi Jason, I burned it a 4x, but can easily create another copy at 1x. However, won't we loss content once the test tones are compressed into MP3's? And, for anyone to use, we will use content again as the MP3s are converted into .wav files? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 4 08:53:21 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:53:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> And then we flush it ...... Carlos wrote: > Thanks for you help, Wouter. This wasn't supposed to happen, but as the > americans says: " Shit Happens " ! > > Best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM > Subject: [naktalk] List changes > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Some changes have been made to this list. > > > > + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I > don't > > like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may > take > > a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a > > regular basis. > > > > + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list > members'. > > This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest > members > > plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is > > inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have > noticed. So > > if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal > list! > > > > The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd > rather > > not do.... > > > > So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! > > > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Wed Apr 4 09:49:44 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:49:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: <91.92cce0b.27fc2c18@aol.com> FYI-I obtained a pair of Matrix 805's a couple of yrs ago. Traded a friend a mint solid state McIntosh preamp for them which I had not used for years. Use the B & W's in my office paired up w/ a pair of Eico HF-20's. Not a bad little speaker. Really nicely built I think. Real nice walnut wood. They image really good as most small speakers usually do. I put them on a set of Sound Anchors stands that are specially made for them. A cool little piece. BTW-If I'm not mistaken, I think they sold for 2000 dollars. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hzl88 at email.msn.com Wed Apr 4 11:38:32 2001 From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 05:38:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002c01c0bceb$06112fe0$e8b51d3f@Marc> Ahh, It's so nice to come home (yea, I work nights), look at the mail, and see only Nak(or related) info on this group, Not somebody's personal vendetta. Kudos to all the real Nak fans,and thank you guys for letting me receive so much great knowledge from you. Thanks, Marc HZL88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] List changes > And then we flush it ...... > > Carlos wrote: > > > Thanks for you help, Wouter. This wasn't supposed to happen, but as the > > americans says: " Shit Happens " ! > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] List changes > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Some changes have been made to this list. > > > > > > + I've turned 'Maintainer approval required' on for new subscriptions, I > > don't > > > like this because I don't like to have to 'manage' this list, plus it may > > take > > > a while for the requests to be honored since I don't do maintenance on a > > > regular basis. > > > > > > + I've changed the rights to post to this list from 'anyone' to 'list > > members'. > > > This was switched on for a while and I turned it off because digest > > members > > > plus messages posted from another email address would bounce. This is > > > inconvenient for members of the list but needed as anyone may have > > noticed. So > > > if you are on the digest list and want to post.... subscribe to the normal > > list! > > > > > > The next step would be to start moderating this list, something that I'd > > rather > > > not do.... > > > > > > So please behave in a 'Nakamichi' worthy way!! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 4 08:36:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:36:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: Message-ID: <002801c0bcd1$c4326e40$e11a9bca@smarzuki> Jim, My email went unanswered from Tannenbaum, also no reply from Marty Gasman site. As usual, I'm still promoting www.schaltungsdienst.com as referred by Mr. Klaus. Turned out that the "english spokesperson" on Schaltungsdienst was on vacation last week ! Now that he's back online, I'll be getting my manuals usually not more than a week. I faxed my card info there and paid those manuals with my card safely. Regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk > > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my > Sony pro-walkman question - > > I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified > Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for > peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files > delivered, so anyone used their service? > > mail or electronic? > > good service or bad? > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems > just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! > > > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 > watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well > and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far > as I know they have never been taken seriously. > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, > only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and > attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been > talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South > African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to > bear? > > Having a NAK old time > > Jim > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 4 08:27:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:27:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <20010404051849.C57A11DFBEE@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002701c0bcd1$c00ae4a0$e11a9bca@smarzuki> Kannan, I support your idea with this intervention rather than asking Wouter to moderate the group. I'm not sure how moderating is done, but if somebody has to read all the contents before it get posted then that's a real pain for him / her(?). My guess is that 90% of the time no moderation is needed, and intervening a member for mis-behaving will eventually exhaust his creativity to come up with new user ids. So we can leave Wouter to rest and only ask for his help in case of 'emergency' (can't believe number of emails yesterday). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] List changes > Wouter > Thanks for reminding us that you would intervene. But I think sometimes your intervention is wanted on top priority! My mail box contains choice abuses from people who have no decency and courtesy. I am sorry, that Carlos , Graham and other nice members have to take the beating for no fault of thiers. > Since I felt not responding is the best way to stop such posts, I did not post anything till now. But I feel that all members who are offended ( or pleased by such postings!) should send their openions to Wouter so that he can intervene quickly( if he feels that intervention is necessary). > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 4 13:51:35 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:51:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <002801c0bcd1$c4326e40$e11a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Having not received a reply to my e-mail yet I may follow your lead also - first company to reply gets the Moolah! Others seem to have had more luck with tannenbaum - maybe they are just very busy (or part-time?). Thanks again for the help Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 04 April 2001 07:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Jim, My email went unanswered from Tannenbaum, also no reply from Marty Gasman site. As usual, I'm still promoting www.schaltungsdienst.com as referred by Mr. Klaus. Turned out that the "english spokesperson" on Schaltungsdienst was on vacation last week ! Now that he's back online, I'll be getting my manuals usually not more than a week. I faxed my card info there and paid those manuals with my card safely. Regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk > > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my > Sony pro-walkman question - > > I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified > Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for > peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files > delivered, so anyone used their service? > > mail or electronic? > > good service or bad? > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems > just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! > > > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 > watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well > and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far > as I know they have never been taken seriously. > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, > only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and > attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been > talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South > African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to > bear? > > Having a NAK old time > > Jim > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 4 13:58:11 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:58:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: Message-ID: <001b01c0bcfe$866c1840$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear anything yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: barking To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? Having a NAK old time Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Wed Apr 4 14:22:44 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:22:44 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL brochure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 04-Apr-01 SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > I burned it a 4x, but can easily create another copy at 1x. However, won't > we loss content once the test tones are compressed into MP3's? And, for > anyone to use, we will use content again as the MP3s are converted into > .wav files? Hi, I seem unble to find the beginning of this thread. But it is a restart of the discussion about the test tone CD we had some months ago it seems. At that time I tried various compression programs. The only one loss free which could squeeze anything out of audio data was bzip2. pkzip (winzip) and alike use an algorithm which is not very well suited for the audio data. bzip2 will also suit a wide variety of platforms and operating systems and does about a 50% compression on audio. Somewhat better on single frequency sine wave audio. see: http://www.digistar.com/bzip2/index.html mp3 of course is much better in compression, but will cause loss to the signal. But since testtones are probably sine waves these should be very easy for mp3 since mp3 works by some fourier/wavelet transformation. I would *not* use it for noise signals, these will be destroyed by mp3. Another variant would be to sample the own test tones. Somebody on this list gave me some C-code fragments which were already capable of producing wav-files with single frequency testtones. This is the highes possible copmression I can think of -- less then 1kB textfile for a testtone of any lenght and frequency you want. So if it would be clear which testtones are necessary/nice to have I could prepare some more of these and maybe distribute it as source and binary for DOS, since not everybody on Dos/Win has a C-Compiler. The binary will be larger but not *that* large. Single frequency tones are easy, I hacked a sweep, so one starting very slow and getting faster with time. It was the easiest to program. To garantee that this will fit some frequency analyser in the sweep speed is more or less impossible. But who has such equippment? Or who has and still needs a CD for the testtones. Any suggestions which testtones are necessary? The usual 400Hz, 1kHz, 15kHz, 17kHz, 20kHz, 22kHz (top limit with CD). at 0dB and at -XX dB (-20?) I can produce the Signals on the CD according to the dB value accurately -- how accurate the CD player will produce the actual output signal is up to the DA converter. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 04-Apr-01, 13:59:29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de Wed Apr 4 15:44:58 2001 From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:44:58 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [naktalk] List changes In-Reply-To: <002701c0bcd1$c00ae4a0$e11a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi to all nakfans, On 04-Apr-01 Salim Marzuki wrote: > I'm not sure how moderating is done, but if > somebody has to read all the contents before it get posted then that's a > real pain for him / her(?). Yes, you guessed right: 'moderated' means indeed that somebody will have to read and approve of any single mailing. Some quite official announcement newsgroups like comp.os.linux.announce are moderated, which leeds to purely ontopic posts but also usually to some days delay until messages are public. I agree that moderating naktalk is a *very sincere* step and should hopefully never be necessary. Whatever became of R* Wouters intervention has my full backup and the approvement of subscriptions seem to be necessary along with mails only from list members to keep some control. This type of intervention is whats distinguishes mailinglists from completely public newsgroups and what makes mailinglists more attractive and 'ontopic'. K.-H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Sent: 04-Apr-01, 15:39:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 4 16:59:12 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:59:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Message-ID: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Update. Just had email saying that the Sony TC-766-2 Service Manual would be DM 33 approx. $17 including postage and package! ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear anything yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: barking To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? Having a NAK old time Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 4 17:50:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:50:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: Message-ID: <000c01c0bd1e$f89bc300$e8199bca@smarzuki> Jim, Make sure you write to jaghzies at schaltungsdienst.de as he's about the only english-person there. Otherwise (info at ...) you'll wait to get your email re-routed to this kind gentlemen anyway. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk > > Having not received a reply to my e-mail yet I may follow your lead also - > first company to reply gets the Moolah! > Others seem to have had more luck with tannenbaum - maybe they are just very > busy (or part-time?). > > Thanks again for the help > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 04 April 2001 07:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a > smidgen of Naktalk > > > > Jim, > > My email went unanswered from Tannenbaum, also no reply from Marty Gasman > site. As usual, I'm still promoting www.schaltungsdienst.com as referred by > Mr. Klaus. Turned out that the "english spokesperson" on Schaltungsdienst > was on vacation last week ! Now that he's back online, I'll be getting my > manuals usually not more than a week. I faxed my card info there and paid > those manuals with my card safely. > > Regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barking" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen > of Naktalk > > > > > > > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to > my > > Sony pro-walkman question - > > > > I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily > modified > > Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for > > peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? > > > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files > > delivered, so anyone used their service? > > > > mail or electronic? > > > > good service or bad? > > > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which > seems > > just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! > > > > > > > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 > > watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well > > and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as > far > > as I know they have never been taken seriously. > > > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks > recently, > > only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability > and > > attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been > > talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South > > African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to > > bear? > > > > Having a NAK old time > > > > Jim > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Apr 4 19:07:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:07:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE References: <2f.1349c3e2.27fbd499@aol.com> <087f01c0bcab$f5cc2480$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ACB54E4.85F22E78@pacbell.net> like all the sansui stuff brought back from asia by soldiers. hehehehehe brian Stephen Sank wrote: > I'll bet Powell has some big old Sansui stuff from the late 70's or early > 80's. And a Teac tape deck. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > The LBJ stuff was cool. And, it's not out of your reach. I know the > process > > is usually tedious unless you know someone. > > > > But I'm sure someone in the cabinet, if not the President has a NAK that > > could use a little tender loving care to bring it back on par. What would > > you speculate Colin Powell is? I'm sure he's not a BOSE man. Having been > in > > the military, I know he was exposed to top-of-the line equipment. I say > > Revox or Tandberg and definitely Nakamichi. I'm sure he has a Dragon or > > RX-505. Any takers? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Apr 4 19:04:01 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:04:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bose References: Message-ID: <3ACB53FF.AEAACF46@pacbell.net> there would be a lot of sore ears from those damn horns. just looking at a pair of 901's i bought at a flea for 10/pair. take off the grilles and what do you see, all plastic with pretty wood on the outside. send any series 4 to bose with foam surrounds and for like $450.00 they will send a brand new pair. ebay em factory sealed and watch the bids come flyin in Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > What if Klipsch began engaging in an aggressive marketing campaign over the > next year? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 4 19:54:17 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:54:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: Just had an e-mail from tannenbaum - less than 12 hours and perfectly happy to pdf the manuals to me! Ill keep you informed as to if and when I receive them. Thanks for the excellent link Ron - also looking forward to getting a reply from that german place (can't remember the name). Good job I bought the Nak - Its now my primary source! JiM -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 04 April 2001 15:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Update. Just had email saying that the Sony TC-766-2 Service Manual would be DM 33 approx. $17 including postage and package! ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear anything yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: barking To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? Having a NAK old time Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 20:47:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:47:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BOSE Message-ID: I'm sure he also has something Nakamichi as it was very popular and available at great prices in the PX's. Almost all of the officers home's I visited had Teac Reel-to-Reels and some Nak somewhere. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 4 20:49:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Bose Message-ID: <83.9283268.27fcc6a5@aol.com> A pair of 901's for $10 at a flea market. Whether you like BOSE or not, that's some deal. And, if I follow your message BOSE replaced them for you? What did you do with them and what was wrong with them? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 4 21:49:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:49:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. Message-ID: <008101c0bd40$68190280$f1199bca@smarzuki> This is a good one (even at $300) ! With a cool blue (?) scope to boot: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226076723 spec: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2130.html comparison with 10B: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mhottuners.html Nak content: nice tuner for your Nak recording ! Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Apr 5 03:13:35 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:13:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bose References: <83.9283268.27fcc6a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3ACBC6AD.B34A56C9@pacbell.net> all the surrounds were dust, some had been repaired with silicone. Bose feels so bad about using foam surrounds on certain series that they will upgrade and, given the fact that they cost very little to build, probably make $$ on the trade in as well. I recently contacted Bose and was advise that for ~~400.00 they would upgrade to the latest model, regardless of the condition of what you sent in. Product wise, the cheap drivers, lack of xovers, etc cant cost more mthen $150.00 to builod so, I think its a win/win for them visit the bose website for more fascinating info about, as I say, the mcdonalds/starbux of audio. Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > A pair of 901's for $10 at a flea market. Whether you like BOSE or not, > that's some deal. And, if I follow your message BOSE replaced them for you? > What did you do with them and what was wrong with them? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Apr 5 05:02:12 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:02:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience References: <002801c0bcd1$c4326e40$e11a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3ACBE033.7122FCA4@snet.net> I've emailed Marty several times and never get a response. To put it in the writing style of his web page, I wonder if it would be safe to say that "If Marty don't have the manual, you don't get no stinkin' email." Anyway, anyone have the web address for Tannenbaum as I'm near desperate for Akai GX-400DSS service manual. Thanks! Ed Salim Marzuki wrote: > Jim, > > My email went unanswered from Tannenbaum, also no reply from Marty Gasman > site. As usual, I'm still promoting www.schaltungsdienst.com as referred by > Mr. Klaus. Turned out that the "english spokesperson" on Schaltungsdienst > was on vacation last week ! Now that he's back online, I'll be getting my > manuals usually not more than a week. I faxed my card info there and paid > those manuals with my card safely. > > Regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barking" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen > of Naktalk > > > > > > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to > my > > Sony pro-walkman question - > > > > I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily > modified > > Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for > > peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? > > > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files > > delivered, so anyone used their service? > > > > mail or electronic? > > > > good service or bad? > > > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which > seems > > just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! > > > > > > > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 > > watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well > > and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as > far > > as I know they have never been taken seriously. > > > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks > recently, > > only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability > and > > attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been > > talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South > > African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to > > bear? > > > > Having a NAK old time > > > > Jim > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Apr 5 06:15:08 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:15:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] List changes References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009701c0bd87$007e84a0$6d232ac4@coqui.net> YES ! " Ding-Dong the pest is gone..." from the Wizard of Oz ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] List changes > And then we flush it ...... > > Carlos wrote: > > > Thanks for you help, Wouter. This wasn't supposed to happen, but as the > > americans says: " Shit Happens " ! > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 5 07:02:58 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:02:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ultimate Nak System? References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> <009701c0bd87$007e84a0$6d232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <01a701c0bd8d$af073f20$c2ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Check this out, the non nak stuff is Jadis the chrome coloured units on the rack are the 1000 dat system the rest you can figure out :-) http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/insane_tx1000_system.jpg ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Apr 5 07:08:19 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:08:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <422BD071.0D57233E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear Nakfellows, Sorry for offtopic, but probably any of you has some information about this deck. It was produced in the early 90's. I need to know its place in the Technics line-up (top or one from the top) and a list of main features (heads, mechanism, type of tape calibration, extra features, etc). You could reply me offlist. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 5 07:23:48 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:53:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <20010405052348.798941E0290@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 5 07:28:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:58:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual Message-ID: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 08:13:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:13:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Akai GX400DSS Message-ID: <000601c0bd97$7e490580$c7199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ed, This is my 3rd mail, sorry if the first 2 finally get through since I sent those thru yahoo which was jammed big time an hour ago. So here I go again: Nothing on tannenbaum for your akai model (but a lot of aiwa's) http://www.agtannenbaum.com/a_cat.html and try contacting jaghzies at schaltungsdienst.de for this: Satz Firma Art Modell Bemerkung Sprache Artikel-Nr. ET-Nr. PG 1 AKAI SERVICE MANUAL GX400DSS 1003376 D 2 AKAI SERVICE MANUAL GX400DSS 1003377 No, I don't get any commission by these folks ... :-) just amazed at the number of manuals available there + good prices + speedy deliveries ! And this kind gentlemen actually scanned me several cover model's cover pages to make sure I get the right manual. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Cc: "Salim SM" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Akai GX400DSS Hi Ed, I'm from the office so can't write to naktalk. Don't have the tannenbaum address yet (bookmarked at home), but here's from schaltungsdienst: Satz Firma Art Modell Bemerkung Sprache Artikel-Nr. ET-Nr. PG 1 AKAI SERVICE MANUAL GX400DSS 1003376 D 2 AKAI SERVICE MANUAL GX400DSS 1003377 zurück zur Abfragemaske Sorry for the messy format, just pasted it from the explorer. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 08:21:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:21:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, I haven't got pages 31-40 yet but I needed mostly the schematics and service 'steps'. Now I'm still sctratching my (actual) head: 1. I get -5 db on Left channel and +5 db on right channel recording (of a 0db sweep tone) level already at min& max position, but if I swapped the head connector on CN2 (3?) L to R then I get 0db on both channel ??? 2. Right channel playback has a huge 10k dip (-20-30 db) relative to 0db f.r. curve (also on -20 db curve) and went to left channel if I swapped the head connection on CN1 (L to R). I did change the 10k pb resistors but seemed like it's not on the electronics. Looks like I got the 'old nak curse'. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > Thanks Scott > I recieved the copies of manual thru Salim > and I think your last scan when it is available will be sent by Salim > kannan > ---Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 660ZX service manual > > > >Salim, > >I have a 660ZX service manual. I'll scan the pages > >that you will need and send them too you or post them > >on my web site. > > > >SJ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Apr 5 12:24:57 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:24:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002e01c0bdba$aa067310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > 2. Right channel playback has a huge 10k dip (-20-30 db) relative to 0db > f.r. curve (also on -20 db curve) and went to left channel if I swapped the > head connection on CN1 (L to R). I think you need to do some head azimuth/height aligment and a proper test tape after cleaning the head. If that all fails maybe the head has worn out. De record channels has a hi-boost up circuit that seldom fails. A head demagnetizer is very important, because a magnitized head can damage the cassettes! Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Apr 5 12:28:30 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:28:30 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426018@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Anytime! In fact, I have to thank you for all support and insights to my problems. Sincerely Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > Thanks Nick for your info. During the bull run on our little china shop, I > had missed to thank you > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > >Kannan, I remember you particularly asking me to inform you of the > progress > >with my ZX-7. The one, that did not want to record properly, showed up > signs > >of abnormal crosstalk etc. Well, things have cleared up only when I got > this > >beautiful T100 Analyzer letting me to control BOTH channels > simultaneously. > >Just as I suspected, the root of all evil turned out to be it's somewhat > >peculiarly worn rec. head, that had been severely misaligned during all > >those 15! working years in the hands of the previous owner. It has been > worn > >in such a strange irregular way, that even trifling shift/turn of > (mainly) > >the head-hight gear makes a HUGE difference in recording sensitivity. It > >took me a good half an hour to catch the "right" position, but now > >everything seems to work fine! > > > >Thanx for your interest. > > > >Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Apr 5 14:20:06 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:20:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 In-Reply-To: <422BD071.0D57233E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Technics RS-BX828 was made around 1992 (the same time as our famous AKAI GX-95 [LOL].) - top of the line when it was made (replacement for 808 and 965 models) - 3 heads, closed loop, quartz locked direct drive with dedicated capstan and reel drive motors - motorized cassette door - Dolbt B, C, HX PRO - built in tape calibration with 400Hz and 10kHz test tones - 20-22,000 Hz +/- 3db metal, 20-20,000Hz chrome - remote control - in UK it listed for 300 BP in 1992 (Nakamichi 1 was 700BP, Nak 1.5 was 500BP, and Nak 2 was 350BP). I do not think this model was available in the US. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Thu, April 05, 2001 12:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Dear Nakfellows, Sorry for offtopic, but probably any of you has some information about this deck. It was produced in the early 90's. I need to know its place in the Technics line-up (top or one from the top) and a list of main features (heads, mechanism, type of tape calibration, extra features, etc). You could reply me offlist. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 14:44:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:44:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> <002e01c0bdba$aa067310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <003e01c0bdce$3fb4cca0$cf199bca@smarzuki> Hi Maurits & Kannan, This 660 heads look good under magnifying glass, as I have other much worn heads (believe me) which performs almost normal except at the high end (>12 k@ 0db). What made this one really strange is that after the dip - more precisely a suckout - is that the f.r. curve *rise* again (but only to about -5db say after >12k), while left channel runs ok - falling *gradually* after 15k @0db. I ruled out electronics fault since the suckout moved to the other channel when I swapped L/R pb head cable connectors. I also believe it's 'just another head fault', but a strange one. Head was cleaned + demag'd and I can see the pressure is quite even on the head surface (track marks). The reason I still use 0db is because it's much easier to notice any peculiarities than on -20db test (0db is set to 100mv on test points). Home made sweep test tape is done on cr4, but for azimuth purposes 15k tone is recorded at -20db. What puzzles me is the 400 hz recording head result (-5db at max L ch level setting and +5db at min R setting). It's got to be partially from head misalignment but more on electronics (which I agree is difficult to set without good heads). If the electronics are good then I should get opposite result when the L/R channel connections are swapped. I'm interested to learn more of this hi-boost circuit (already replaced rec op amp), but I'll wait until I use a healthy head before mingling with eq amp / bias trap settings ! Thanks to Scott & Stephen I can do 'live' bias and level settings on this monitor-less 660, running from our beloved TP101 straight to PC sound card. Quite amazing to watch deck's noise floor and see 400hz tone's 2nd / 3rd distortion rise/reduced while adjusting bias pot. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > > > > > > 2. Right channel playback has a huge 10k dip (-20-30 db) relative > to 0db > > f.r. curve (also on -20 db curve) and went to left channel if I > swapped the > > head connection on CN1 (L to R). > > I think you need to do some head azimuth/height aligment and a proper > test tape after cleaning the head. > If that all fails maybe the head has worn out. De record channels has > a hi-boost up circuit that seldom fails. > A head demagnetizer is very important, because a magnitized head can > damage the cassettes! > > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Apr 5 14:50:45 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:50:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <661EE94E.55EB4757.026D48C1@netscape.net> Stan, thank you ever so much for your information, you helped me out to the great extent. Could you please answer two more questions: - tape calibration for 828: automatic or manual - RS-BX727 was in the same line-up (maybe one position below) or it was made later. Thank you in advance. Nicholas. PS. BTW I'm in not in the USA, much closer - Russia. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Apr 5 15:30:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:30:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ultimate Nak System? References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> <009701c0bd87$007e84a0$6d232ac4@coqui.net> <01a701c0bd8d$af073f20$c2ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3ACC7364.529CE77F@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > Check this out, the non nak stuff is Jadis > the chrome coloured units on the rack are the 1000 dat system > the rest you can figure out :-) > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/insane_tx1000_system.jpg > In spite of the shock absorbing feet, putting a turntable on a jutting cantilever glass plate is not cool. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 15:49:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:49:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426018@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000401c0bdd7$4d040020$e3199bca@smarzuki> Which reminds me ... I haven't thanked Maurits and Kannan for the insights. :-) Also reminds me of your deck - which head was severely misaligned that it developed a peculiar worn track. Seems like I may be having similar problem, "grooved-in" head with misaligned tracks (esp on record head). Nick, in your case, which one was irregularly worn ? If pb head, did you use Nak tape path alignment ? Why the half hour tweaking - if track tape can only produce one correct position ? If record head, did you re-install rec head and align it using blocks per Nak manual ? Maybe you can explain the head trimming steps to me. Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Anytime! > > In fact, I have to thank you for all support and insights to my problems. > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:24 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > Thanks Nick for your info. During the bull run on our little china shop, I > > had missed to thank you > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Igritski Nick > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:23 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > >Kannan, I remember you particularly asking me to inform you of the > > progress > > >with my ZX-7. The one, that did not want to record properly, showed up > > signs > > >of abnormal crosstalk etc. Well, things have cleared up only when I got > > this > > >beautiful T100 Analyzer letting me to control BOTH channels > > simultaneously. > > >Just as I suspected, the root of all evil turned out to be it's somewhat > > >peculiarly worn rec. head, that had been severely misaligned during all > > >those 15! working years in the hands of the previous owner. It has been > > worn > > >in such a strange irregular way, that even trifling shift/turn of > > (mainly) > > >the head-hight gear makes a HUGE difference in recording sensitivity. It > > >took me a good half an hour to catch the "right" position, but now > > >everything seems to work fine! > > > > > >Thanx for your interest. > > > > > >Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Apr 5 16:12:33 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ultimate Nak System? References: <200104031827.UAA29298@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <009401c0bc8d$fc8bb9c0$f22f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ACAC4E1.9D409DBE@xs4all.nl> <009701c0bd87$007e84a0$6d232ac4@coqui.net> <01a701c0bd8d$af073f20$c2ef3fd0@oemcomputer> <3ACC7364.529CE77F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00f101c0bdda$75abfde0$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Maybe he's married. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ultimate Nak System? > Warren wrote: > > > > Check this out, the non nak stuff is Jadis > > the chrome coloured units on the rack are the 1000 dat system > > the rest you can figure out :-) > > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/insane_tx1000_system.jpg > > > > In spite of the shock absorbing feet, putting > a turntable on a jutting cantilever glass > plate is not cool. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Apr 5 16:18:11 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 In-Reply-To: <661EE94E.55EB4757.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: HiFi Choice Reviewed the RS-BX626 and 828 in their October 1992 issue. If the naming convention was consistent, I would place the 727 in between the two. The key diference between 626 and 828 was 828 added calibration system, direct drive and double capstans, and remote. Thus, 727 would probably be 828 minus either calibration or double capstans (just a guess). Tape calibration system for the unit was manual. Similar to Nakamichi CR-4 (except for different tone frequencies) in that it had one bias and one level knob (covering both channels at the same time) The unit has large multisegment meeters, which for calibration switch to be from something like -10 -> + 10 in 1 dB increments. I have some tapes (TDK AR-90) recorded on RS-B965 (older unit with DBX), and they still sound very well on my CR4. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Thu, April 05, 2001 7:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Stan, thank you ever so much for your information, you helped me out to the great extent. Could you please answer two more questions: - tape calibration for 828: automatic or manual - RS-BX727 was in the same line-up (maybe one position below) or it was made later. Thank you in advance. Nicholas. PS. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Apr 5 16:37:38 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:37:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> <002e01c0bdba$aa067310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <003e01c0bdce$3fb4cca0$cf199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001101c0bddd$f6d41490$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > > Hi Maurits & Kannan, > > This 660 heads look good under magnifying glass, as I have other much worn > heads (believe me) which performs almost normal except at the high end (>12 > k@ 0db). What made this one really strange is that after the dip - more > precisely a suckout - is that the f.r. curve *rise* again (but only to > about -5db say after >12k), while left channel runs ok - falling *gradually* > after 15k @0db. Did you measure de DC resistance of each coil inside the head? Maybe there is a shortage between windings in one channel. Much better tested with an oscilloscope, a short winding gives a damped, outfading wave, directly from signalgenerator to head. Succes! Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Apr 5 17:15:31 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:15:31 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi Salim! You, buddy, seem to have read my message way too carelessly :-)) Anyway... > Also reminds me of your deck - which head was severely misaligned that it > developed a peculiar worn track. Seems like I may be having similar > problem, "grooved-in" head with misaligned tracks (esp on record head). > > Nick, in your case, which one was irregularly worn ? > To be perfectly honest, I still can't comprehend, how it comes, that ONLY rec. head has been worn this peculiar way. > If pb head, did you use Nak tape path alignment ? > On the p.b. head the track of wear has been evident as well, but unlike rec. head it's response to "tweaking" hasn't been that freakish. Further, I do NOT have exactly that 1kHz Track Alignment tape, where you'll have to look for the MINIMUM reading in both channels. What do I use, is another PROFESSIONAL track alignment tape, where looking for the MAXIMUM reading in both channels is required for proper positioning. But... it doesn't matter in the end. BTW, I've found that, say, a professionally recorded 3kHz Tape (e.g. Wow/Flutter Tape) works much better for the purposes of track alignment, than that with 1kHz on it. Taking into account the above said, I recommend you to go on as follows: * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing 3kHz(+/-) signal * put it in your deck and play it back * use your headphones to listen to the output * while playing around with both HEAD-HIGHT and AZIMUTH gears alternately, find the position of the p.b. head, when the signal will come off the tape (BOTH channels considered) at its loudest * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing no less than 14kHz(+/-) signal * fine adjust the AZIMUTH gear * now you can connect a VTVM to the deck's outputs and re-check everything one more time. You better don't look for the MAXIMUM values here - look after the voltage output in BOTH channels being approximately IDENTICAL. > Why the half hour tweaking - if track tape > can only produce one correct position ? > When I said "half an hour" I meant TIME it took me to find the BEST mutual disposition of the heads. > If record head, did you re-install > rec head and align it using blocks per Nak manual ? Maybe you can explain > the head trimming steps to me. > I have not replaced the rec. head, 'cos I simply haven't had any spare one! I've just positioned it extremely precisely with respect to its wear. > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > I'll willingly answer your further questions, if there are some. Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:28 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Anytime! > > > > In fact, I have to thank you for all support and insights to my > problems. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:24 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > > > Thanks Nick for your info. During the bull run on our little china > shop, > I > > > had missed to thank you > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Igritski Nick > > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > > Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:23 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > > > >Kannan, I remember you particularly asking me to inform you of the > > > progress > > > >with my ZX-7. The one, that did not want to record properly, showed > up > > > signs > > > >of abnormal crosstalk etc. Well, things have cleared up only when I > got > > > this > > > >beautiful T100 Analyzer letting me to control BOTH channels > > > simultaneously. > > > >Just as I suspected, the root of all evil turned out to be it's > somewhat > > > >peculiarly worn rec. head, that had been severely misaligned during > all > > > >those 15! working years in the hands of the previous owner. It has > been > > > worn > > > >in such a strange irregular way, that even trifling shift/turn of > > > (mainly) > > > >the head-hight gear makes a HUGE difference in recording sensitivity. > It > > > >took me a good half an hour to catch the "right" position, but now > > > >everything seems to work fine! > > > > > > > >Thanx for your interest. > > > > > > > >Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 19:05:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:05:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001b01c0bdf2$c33464e0$da199bca@smarzuki> Hello Nick, Old buddy ! What I actually meant was .... if the heads had already developed a certain, say 1 degree misalignment to the 'true' perpendicular path, then getting it aligned back to the original path (track tape or audio output) would leave a big chance in an uneven pressure across some of the head surface. How that translate to f.r. curve is beyond me. Looking at the manuals I think the combination of rec & pb head stroke heights is really important, that's why I asked if you had the rec head dismounted and re-installed (not replaced) after checking the stroke. If there's uneven wear on rec head - then getting it back to correct position should also result in some uneven tape pressure on *pb* head. When you said you put rec head precisely with respect to its wear - which imho would result in a good and even surface pressure on *pb* head - but isn't that putting the rec head back to original misaligned position ? Anyway, I agree that we need to look for balanced / identical output ! That's why I'm confused with my L/R discrepancy, looks like I got a combination of bad rec head and some faulty electronics. Damn. It's interesting that when I try to align head height using its audio output, the resulting height does not always coincident with the perfect placement of tape across the head (edge to edge), which I thought was how it should have been aligned. On teac's service manual, it's very visual: "make sure you can't see the core anymore". :-) Final question - isn't many of the T100 analyzer functions can be had with your soundcard + spectralab ? What additional function that you mainly use ? Muchas gracias senor Sanchez for your patience ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Hi Salim! > > You, buddy, seem to have read my message way too carelessly :-)) > > Anyway... > > > Also reminds me of your deck - which head was severely misaligned that it > > developed a peculiar worn track. Seems like I may be having similar > > problem, "grooved-in" head with misaligned tracks (esp on record head). > > > > Nick, in your case, which one was irregularly worn ? > > > To be perfectly honest, I still can't comprehend, how it comes, that ONLY > rec. head has been worn this peculiar way. > > > If pb head, did you use Nak tape path alignment ? > > > On the p.b. head the track of wear has been evident as well, but unlike rec. > head it's response to "tweaking" hasn't been that freakish. Further, I do > NOT have exactly that 1kHz Track Alignment tape, where you'll have to look > for the MINIMUM reading in both channels. What do I use, is another > PROFESSIONAL track alignment tape, where looking for the MAXIMUM reading in > both channels is required for proper positioning. But... it doesn't matter > in the end. BTW, I've found that, say, a professionally recorded 3kHz Tape > (e.g. Wow/Flutter Tape) works much better for the purposes of track > alignment, than that with 1kHz on it. Taking into account the above said, I > recommend you to go on as follows: > * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing 3kHz(+/-) signal > * put it in your deck and play it back > * use your headphones to listen to the output > * while playing around with both HEAD-HIGHT and AZIMUTH gears > alternately, find the position of the p.b. head, when the signal will come > off the tape (BOTH channels considered) at its loudest > * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing no less than 14kHz(+/-) signal > * fine adjust the AZIMUTH gear > * now you can connect a VTVM to the deck's outputs and re-check > everything one more time. You better don't look for the MAXIMUM values here > - look after the voltage output in BOTH channels being approximately > IDENTICAL. > > > Why the half hour tweaking - if track tape > > can only produce one correct position ? > > > When I said "half an hour" I meant TIME it took me to find the BEST mutual > disposition of the heads. > > > If record head, did you re-install > > rec head and align it using blocks per Nak manual ? Maybe you can explain > > the head trimming steps to me. > > > I have not replaced the rec. head, 'cos I simply haven't had any spare one! > I've just positioned it extremely precisely with respect to its wear. > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > I'll willingly answer your further questions, if there are some. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 19:05:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:05:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> <002e01c0bdba$aa067310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <003e01c0bdce$3fb4cca0$cf199bca@smarzuki> <001101c0bddd$f6d41490$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <001c01c0bdf2$c7fc2620$da199bca@smarzuki> Hi Maurits, Thanks - I believe this is what caused the 10k suckout. Half winding of one ch is already bad, and there's a big chance that the other half winding (of the same channel) is 'somewhat' shorted ! One more thing, how do I connect the h.u.t (head under test :-) to both scope and signal generator ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > > Did you measure de DC resistance of each coil inside the head? Maybe > there is a shortage between windings in one channel. > Much better tested with an oscilloscope, a short winding gives a > damped, outfading wave, directly from signalgenerator to head. > Succes! > > > Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 19:38:43 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:38:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Compatible pinch roller Message-ID: <002601c0bdf7$42d4fbc0$da199bca@smarzuki> Greetings Nakfellows, Does anybody know web source for good quality Nak compatible pinch rollers ? Can't find them on parts express and I have to pass on genuine Nak rubber (cost almost the same as a second hand 480/482 here). :-) And maybe this is the secret to the last oomph out of Nak decks. Parts express seems to carry a rubber restorer, pn 341-362 just in case someone's interested: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=1621302&St=7746&St2=479 19797&St3=73878360&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=10041&DID=7 Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 19:42:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:42:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. References: <008101c0bd40$68190280$f1199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002f01c0bdf7$cb9cda40$da199bca@smarzuki> Sold for $645 !! Wonder how good this one is compared to magnum etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. > > This is a good one (even at $300) ! With a cool blue (?) scope to boot: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226076723 > > spec: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2130.html > comparison with 10B: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mhottuners.html > > Nak content: nice tuner for your Nak recording ! > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 5 19:55:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:55:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cool pix and notes Message-ID: <003701c0bdf9$9c012140$da199bca@smarzuki> http://www.geocities.com/jm011500/Exotic_Audio.html For your spare time. And a pic of that mcintosh head unit too. SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 5 20:04:13 2001 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:04:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual Message-ID: I couldn't pass this up. Does that hut go by the name of Jabba (the Hut)? Star Wars! Kent >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/05/01 12:05PM >>> Hi Maurits, Thanks - I believe this is what caused the 10k suckout. Half winding of one ch is already bad, and there's a big chance that the other half winding (of the same channel) is 'somewhat' shorted ! One more thing, how do I connect the h.u.t (head under test :-) to both scope and signal generator ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > > Did you measure de DC resistance of each coil inside the head? Maybe > there is a shortage between windings in one channel. > Much better tested with an oscilloscope, a short winding gives a > damped, outfading wave, directly from signalgenerator to head. > Succes! > > > Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Apr 5 20:30:52 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. References: <008101c0bd40$68190280$f1199bca@smarzuki> <002f01c0bdf7$cb9cda40$da199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01d801c0bdfe$8bc37800$a3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Surely that's more than she was list in her day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. > > Sold for $645 !! Wonder how good this one is compared to magnum etc. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: [naktalk] OT again - tuner fans: rare marantz 2130 last day. > > > > This is a good one (even at $300) ! With a cool blue (?) scope to boot: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226076723 > > > > spec: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/2130.html > > comparison with 10B: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mhottuners.html > > > > Nak content: nice tuner for your Nak recording ! > > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 5 21:25:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:25:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: Hi All, I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Apr 5 22:28:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:28:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <03f201c0be0f$0b7e7e40$58021fac@brianm> Hi Sam, I have an old Buyers Guide issue of Stereo Review from 1990 that lists you deck. Teac R-919X 4-Head Cassette Deck: 4-head cassette deck with Dolby HX-Pro, double dbx, and Dolby B and C NR. Features 3-motor IC-logic transport control silent mechanism; double acculign rotating head system; hysterysis tension servo control system; bi-polar power supply and DC configuration circuit; autoreverse/repeat; multi-function FL display; electronic tape index counter with tape run time mode; 2-color L/R peak program level meter; fine bias adjustment; computomatic program search; computomatic direct selection; intro check; blank scan; memory play/stop; block repeat; auto monitor; master rec level control; output level control; MPX filter; timer rec/playback capability. Optional wooden side panels. Includes full-function wireless remote control. Wow & flutter 0.029% wrms; frequency response 25-20,000 Hz +- 3 dB (metal); signal-to-noise ratio 80 dB at 1,000 Hz (Dolby C). Dimenesions 17 1/8 x 4 7/8 x 10 1/4 Weight 13.25 lb. $830. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > Hi All, > > I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my > TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, > so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Apr 5 22:39:01 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:39:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <03fa01c0be10$742c7a40$58021fac@brianm> Sam, I forgot, they list 3 decks for Teac: R-919X with auto reverse - $830 W-990RX Double Cassette deck - $800 V-970X 3-Head Cassette deck (appears to not be auto-reverse) - $800 Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > Hi All, > > I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my > TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, > so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Apr 5 22:53:57 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:53:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 In-Reply-To: <03f201c0be0f$0b7e7e40$58021fac@brianm> Message-ID: 4 heads!!!??? I didn't know such a four headed animal existed!! Is that for reverse recording, and where do they fit # 4? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Apr 6 00:14:24 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:14:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual References: <20010405052816.3D2C01E0357@webmail.vsnl.com> <000b01c0bd98$add3ee40$c7199bca@smarzuki> <002e01c0bdba$aa067310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <003e01c0bdce$3fb4cca0$cf199bca@smarzuki> <001101c0bddd$f6d41490$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <001c01c0bdf2$c7fc2620$da199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001901c0be1d$c5d6eda0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thank you Scott for your scanned serv. Manual > > Hi Maurits, > > Thanks - I believe this is what caused the 10k suckout. Half winding of one > ch is already bad, and there's a big chance that the other half winding (of > the same channel) is 'somewhat' shorted ! > > One more thing, how do I connect the h.u.t (head under test :-) to both > scope and signal generator ? In series. LF gen. > coil > scope and adjust the frequencygenerator to see the resonance of the headcoil on the scope. The test will give the info of the two coils. If you have a good inductance measuring bridge or meter it will also do the job. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Apr 6 00:43:41 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:43:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time it was sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my understanding that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in reverse. Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top unit. While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics ever made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or RS-B95 and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than yours. First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- these units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I think at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had some very promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think that V 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. Stores like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 heads, Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the TEAC's were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough Z9000 was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of Nak fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of our top experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). Stan (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe confusing the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late 80's (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Thu, April 05, 2001 2:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Hi All, I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Apr 6 01:28:19 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:28:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: Message-ID: <003201c0be28$196395e0$c8312ac4@coqui.net> Those Z series were very good. In those years they were competing against the B-215, Dragon and Tandberg. There were an article at Stereo Review trying to find the Best Cassette Deck. Nak, Revox, Tandberg, Denon, Teac and Sony. Winners: Revox and Dragon. They said that when a tape recorded and playback in the same deck, the Revox was the clear winner but for playback other deck' tapes, nothing would beat a Dragon ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac 919 > I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time it was > sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my understanding > that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in reverse. > > Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top unit. > > While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics ever > made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or RS-B95 > and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than yours. > > First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- these > units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I think > at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) > > In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had some very > promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think that V > 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. Stores > like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 heads, > Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. > > According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the TEAC's > were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough Z9000 > was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of Nak > fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of our top > experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). > > Stan > > (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were Z9000, > Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe confusing > the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late 80's > (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Thu, April 05, 2001 2:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > > > Hi All, > > I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my > TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, > so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 6 01:40:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:40:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <0b0601c0be29$bfe58300$323442cf@sank1> The fourth head is for reverse erase, since the erase head would not fit in the rotating head assembly. The Aiwa AD-R650 & Pioneer CT-9R are two decks I remember off the top of my head that had the same 4-head setup. The Aiwa was actually a decent machine. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > 4 heads!!!??? I didn't know such a four headed animal existed!! Is that for > reverse recording, and where do they fit # 4? > > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 6 01:43:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:43:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: Message-ID: <0b0f01c0be2a$48611640$323442cf@sank1> Busted me, Stan. Yes, I would positively take even an old Nak 580M over ANY Teac/Tascam or Technics model, although some of these being spoken of are respectable decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac 919 > I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time it was > sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my understanding > that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in reverse. > > Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top unit. > > While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics ever > made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or RS-B95 > and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than yours. > > First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- these > units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I think > at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) > > In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had some very > promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think that V > 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. Stores > like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 heads, > Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. > > According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the TEAC's > were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough Z9000 > was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of Nak > fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of our top > experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). > > Stan > > (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were Z9000, > Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe confusing > the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late 80's > (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Thu, April 05, 2001 2:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > > > Hi All, > > I too would like to ask the collective group if they are aware of where my > TEAC R-919X fits in the TEAC line up? I purchased while living in Germany, > so I don't know if it was sold in the US. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Apr 6 06:37:35 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:37:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <09DA459F.3A4E5BD4.026D48C1@netscape.net> Stan, You are incredible! Thanks again! I own RS-BX727 and it indeed lacks double capstan. Bravo! The calibration system of 727 is a bit different. It is manual but has 2 knobs for level calibration (right and left channel separately) and 1 knob for bias calibration (both channels simultaneously). I have recorded a good half of my tape collection on this deck and must say it sounds rather good (compared to cheap Naks of course). Its meters are extremely good. In fact it's one of the features I value most on this deck. For calibration the signal is amplified for 20 dB and you should just reach 0 setting for accurate calibration. During playback or recording I can manually vary meter's range from normal (-30 dB...+6 dB, 2 dB increment) to extended (-7 dB...+8dB, 1dB increment). Usually I use TDK AR-X and maxell XLII-S for recording. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 6 09:00:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:30:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 Message-ID: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Apr 6 09:54:59 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:54:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <6E04AB19.4FFF2CC6.026D48C1@netscape.net> Kannon, hi, Are you sure the decks reviews are in What Hi-Fi and not in Hi-Fi Choice you had sent me earlier? Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Apr 6 10:07:47 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:07:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <6E04AB19.4FFF2CC6.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <515E4E99.600ECA46.026D48C1@netscape.net> *It seems to me this message did not appear in the list, if I'm mistaken sorry for repeat posting* Stan, As I already mentioned earlier in this group I also own TEAC V-8030S and can say you it's damn good. The recording made on this deck sounds pure and analytical on any other I played it on (includes Nak 700 Tri Tracer, Technics, some Akais and Dragon) It calibrates extremely accurate and its transport is very smooth. The list price for this deck is $1150, but it's sold for something around 700 in different retail outlets in Europe and in the USA. TEAC's previous top model was V-8000, it mostly the same as V-8030 except some cosmetics. Compared to Naks it easily outperform all cheap and midpriced units giving ground only to the best Naks (CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon and 1000ZXL). Of course it is only my opinion and it could differ from others in this group. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 6 15:20:24 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:20:24 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 481 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Tonight, I have finally detected the cause of the breakdown. It has been short-circuit within the REEL motor accompanied with (or better to say, followed by (NOT vice versa!)) DISRUPTION of 2 transistors in the +12V Power Circuit. Transistors have been replaced, all electronics works fine now, but finding a 12V DC motor seems to turn into a REAL problem. Life sucks... and then you die. Does it make any sense attempting to repair this lousy MMN-6A2MKXA reel motor at home? It appears NOT to be completely dead. Occasionally, with 12V applied, it comes to back life. With polarity observed, it still develops pretty good torsion. With polarity reversed, it's more dead than alive. Thanks Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 481 > > The only thing I have seen cause a group of symptoms like that is failure > of > the 24v IC regulator for the main supply. It's an LM-340T-24 or LM7824(or > same number with other prefix). Seen it happen at least five times before > on 480 decks. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 481 > > > > Here's a question to our advanced technicians to distract you from the > > recent bacchanalia. > > > > Recently, my Nak 481 has ceased playing in a quite unexpected way: it > was > > quietly playing a tape and suddenly just stopped. All lights were on, > but > it > > simply wouldn't react to pushing any buttons, except REW., when the > headbase > > only jerked and... nothing happened after that. In Play-mode capstans do > not > > rotate either, neither do reels in any of the Winding-modes. When > pushing > > the Rec. button, the Cam jerks to the rec.-mark and gets released again. > > This is all the deck does. > > > > So, gurus, where to start looking at? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 6 16:54:20 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:54:20 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, fellow-sufferer! 1. Some time ago I've come to a conclusion, that all those software gadgets like SPECTRALAB & stuff are definitely entertaining enough, but... unfortunately, do not even come close to the dedicated measuring instruments (especially considering those sound cards inbetween). For that reason I parted with some more 500$ in order to get hold of this miraculous T100 Analyzer. What is it capable of? Well, when briefly, it comprises: * Extremely precise oscillator, 21 fixed frequencies (20-20K) + pink noise, -20dB attenuator available * SpeedWow/Flutter meter calibrated for 3K * THD-meter calibrated for 400Hz * Noise level meter, IHF-A curve Its GREATEST advantages are: * it combines the features of "source" and "receiver", which enables you to conduct your measurements with a SINGLE device * it lets you to control both channels simultaneously, which is of great importance when you e.g. try to right-position a head, that doesn't want to be right-positioned :-) 2. I must apologize for being absent-minded a bit (an unexpected thaw rolls in outside - brains melt 8-), but can you please describe your problem one more time for me. What are you trying to do, and what doesn't work out well? The more details, the better. Take care Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > Hello Nick, > > Old buddy ! What I actually meant was .... if the heads had already > developed a certain, say 1 degree misalignment to the 'true' perpendicular > path, then getting it aligned back to the original path (track tape or > audio > output) would leave a big chance in an uneven pressure across some of the > head surface. How that translate to f.r. curve is beyond me. > > Looking at the manuals I think the combination of rec & pb head stroke > heights is really important, that's why I asked if you had the rec head > dismounted and re-installed (not replaced) after checking the stroke. If > there's uneven wear on rec head - then getting it back to correct position > should also result in some uneven tape pressure on *pb* head. > > When you said you put rec head precisely with respect to its wear - which > imho would result in a good and even surface pressure on *pb* head - but > isn't that putting the rec head back to original misaligned position ? > > Anyway, I agree that we need to look for balanced / identical output ! > That's why I'm confused with my L/R discrepancy, looks like I got a > combination of bad rec head and some faulty electronics. Damn. It's > interesting that when I try to align head height using its audio output, > the > resulting height does not always coincident with the perfect placement of > tape across the head (edge to edge), which I thought was how it should > have > been aligned. On teac's service manual, it's very visual: "make sure you > can't see the core anymore". :-) > > Final question - isn't many of the T100 analyzer functions can be had with > your soundcard + spectralab ? What additional function that you mainly > use > ? > > Muchas gracias senor Sanchez for your patience ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:15 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Hi Salim! > > > > You, buddy, seem to have read my message way too carelessly :-)) > > > > Anyway... > > > > > Also reminds me of your deck - which head was severely misaligned > that > it > > > developed a peculiar worn track. Seems like I may be having similar > > > problem, "grooved-in" head with misaligned tracks (esp on record > head). > > > > > > Nick, in your case, which one was irregularly worn ? > > > > > To be perfectly honest, I still can't comprehend, how it comes, that > ONLY > > rec. head has been worn this peculiar way. > > > > > If pb head, did you use Nak tape path alignment ? > > > > > On the p.b. head the track of wear has been evident as well, but unlike > rec. > > head it's response to "tweaking" hasn't been that freakish. Further, I > do > > NOT have exactly that 1kHz Track Alignment tape, where you'll have to > look > > for the MINIMUM reading in both channels. What do I use, is another > > PROFESSIONAL track alignment tape, where looking for the MAXIMUM reading > in > > both channels is required for proper positioning. But... it doesn't > matter > > in the end. BTW, I've found that, say, a professionally recorded 3kHz > Tape > > (e.g. Wow/Flutter Tape) works much better for the purposes of track > > alignment, than that with 1kHz on it. Taking into account the above > said, > I > > recommend you to go on as follows: > > * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing 3kHz(+/-) signal > > * put it in your deck and play it back > > * use your headphones to listen to the output > > * while playing around with both HEAD-HIGHT and AZIMUTH gears > > alternately, find the position of the p.b. head, when the signal will > come > > off the tape (BOTH channels considered) at its loudest > > * get a PROFESSIONAL tape, containing no less than 14kHz(+/-) signal > > * fine adjust the AZIMUTH gear > > * now you can connect a VTVM to the deck's outputs and re-check > > everything one more time. You better don't look for the MAXIMUM values > here > > - look after the voltage output in BOTH channels being approximately > > IDENTICAL. > > > > > Why the half hour tweaking - if track tape > > > can only produce one correct position ? > > > > > When I said "half an hour" I meant TIME it took me to find the BEST > mutual > > disposition of the heads. > > > > > If record head, did you re-install > > > rec head and align it using blocks per Nak manual ? Maybe you can > explain > > > the head trimming steps to me. > > > > > I have not replaced the rec. head, 'cos I simply haven't had any spare > one! > > I've just positioned it extremely precisely with respect to its wear. > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Salim SM > > > > > I'll willingly answer your further questions, if there are some. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 6 17:25:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:25:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. Message-ID: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakkers: Marantz 125 5hrs left @ $150, If I haven't had my 120B I won't miss this one at the price. Should give bit better performance with no 'scope problems to worry: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226380451 Also Mcintosh MR74 6 hrs left @ $286, wonder why this is not on Stephen's MRs list: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226392043 I'll try real hard not to post additional announcements on ebay tuners ... very difficult. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 6 17:51:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:51:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 481 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <005b01c0beb1$7ed12b20$203442cf@sank1> I forgot about that problem! I have seen it so many times, but not recently. If you open up the motor, you'll find that some or all of the three prongs of the two motor brushes have worn through, so that the commutator gets shorted intermittently. If you have another similar, but bad, motor around, just transfer the brushes. I've done this many, many times. Otherwise, you will have to either find a suitable bit of thin copper spring material to patch them, or replace the motor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 481 > Tonight, I have finally detected the cause of the breakdown. It has been > short-circuit within the REEL motor accompanied with (or better to say, > followed by (NOT vice versa!)) DISRUPTION of 2 transistors in the +12V Power > Circuit. Transistors have been replaced, all electronics works fine now, but > finding a 12V DC motor seems to turn into a REAL problem. Life sucks... and > then you die. > > Does it make any sense attempting to repair this lousy MMN-6A2MKXA reel > motor at home? It appears NOT to be completely dead. Occasionally, with 12V > applied, it comes to back life. With polarity observed, it still develops > pretty good torsion. With polarity reversed, it's more dead than alive. > > Thanks > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:52 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 481 > > > > The only thing I have seen cause a group of symptoms like that is failure > > of > > the 24v IC regulator for the main supply. It's an LM-340T-24 or LM7824(or > > same number with other prefix). Seen it happen at least five times before > > on 480 decks. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:15 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 481 > > > > > > > Here's a question to our advanced technicians to distract you from the > > > recent bacchanalia. > > > > > > Recently, my Nak 481 has ceased playing in a quite unexpected way: it > > was > > > quietly playing a tape and suddenly just stopped. All lights were on, > > but > > it > > > simply wouldn't react to pushing any buttons, except REW., when the > > headbase > > > only jerked and... nothing happened after that. In Play-mode capstans do > > not > > > rotate either, neither do reels in any of the Winding-modes. When > > pushing > > > the Rec. button, the Cam jerks to the rec.-mark and gets released again. > > > This is all the deck does. > > > > > > So, gurus, where to start looking at? > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 6 17:57:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:57:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> By Mac standards, the MR74 was a very cheap tuner, and only about as good as other better-than-average solid state tuners(like the Marantz 2130 & 120, which are nothing special at all). That's why it didn't make my list of favorites. I'd take a Yamaha T-80 over the above. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > Hi Nakkers: > > Marantz 125 5hrs left @ $150, If I haven't had my 120B I won't miss this one > at the price. Should give bit better performance with no 'scope problems to > worry: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226380451 > > Also Mcintosh MR74 6 hrs left @ $286, wonder why this is not on Stephen's > MRs list: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226392043 > > I'll try real hard not to post additional announcements on ebay tuners ... > very difficult. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 6 17:44:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:44:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SR3 stasis at ebay Message-ID: <000001c0beb4$816d7980$cd199bca@smarzuki> This is not another tuner announcement - nakamichi pre+stasis amp+tuner in one box ! :-) 1.3 days left still at $20 (of course reserve not yet met): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227746839 2.3 days left already at $91 (no reserve): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226970498 see how advertisement work ! Good luck, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanx, --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 6 19:18:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:18:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42601F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001e01c0bebd$dfa988a0$cd199bca@smarzuki> Nick ... you've graduated from spectralab ... congratulations ! I'll wait for my turn. Regarding peculiar grooved-in head, I'd just like to know there's any specific 'techniques' to work around that problem other than getting new head. :-) Anyway that's very unlikely with slotted Nak heads - but I've seen one rec head worn very well slanted as pisa tower. Mine is different 'suffering', half pb head coil winding is dead and the remaining half partially shorted ... and then you die, right ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Hi, fellow-sufferer! > > 1. Some time ago I've come to a conclusion, that all those software gadgets > like SPECTRALAB & stuff are definitely entertaining enough, but... > unfortunately, do not even come close to the dedicated measuring instruments > (especially considering those sound cards inbetween). For that reason I > parted with some more 500$ in order to get hold of this miraculous T100 > Analyzer. What is it capable of? Well, when briefly, it comprises: > * Extremely precise oscillator, 21 fixed frequencies (20-20K) + pink > noise, -20dB attenuator available > * SpeedWow/Flutter meter calibrated for 3K > * THD-meter calibrated for 400Hz > * Noise level meter, IHF-A curve > > Its GREATEST advantages are: > * it combines the features of "source" and "receiver", which enables > you to conduct your measurements with a SINGLE device > * it lets you to control both channels simultaneously, which is of > great importance when you e.g. try to right-position a head, that doesn't > want to be right-positioned :-) > > 2. I must apologize for being absent-minded a bit (an unexpected thaw rolls > in outside - brains melt 8-), but can you please describe your problem one > more time for me. What are you trying to do, and what doesn't work out well? > The more details, the better. > > Take care > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 6 19:20:22 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:20:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, So this T80 is the 580M equivalent ... :-) Is that based on selectivity or sound quality ? What other ss tuners would you recommend (sonically) other than T1/T2 for beer budget ? Is Onkyo 9090 that good to be compared to Mac ? I see emphasis on selectivity whenever people mention 9090 - seems like the most important when reviewing tuners. Kenwood 990, SR4,120B and even yamaha 890 a/v differs very little on specs (almost none on f.r), but I can hear much difference on a strong station (and of course prefer the marantz !). It's almost like comparing 680 with CR deck. What gives ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > By Mac standards, the MR74 was a very cheap tuner, and only about as good as > other better-than-average solid state tuners(like the Marantz 2130 & 120, > which are nothing special at all). That's why it didn't make my list of > favorites. I'd take a Yamaha T-80 over the above. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Apr 7 00:38:18 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:38:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they review the Akai GX-95? Kevin Rogers > > I have the review of RSB905( I think) and TEAC 970 - review (from What Hifi mag) along with CR1/2/3/4 on the same issue. None of these ( non NAK) Decks' Frequency response is better than even CR1 or 2. However the reviewer has placed the Teac 970 better than Technics. If anybody is interested ( give me little time) I can scan and send the review. each of them is 1 page. This issue of What Hi- Fi had reviewed ( CR4/3 review on Naks FTP site is from this issue) almost 45 Decks including Tandberg 3014A. None of them come close to Nak 2 Head recorder excepting Tandberg! However the price of these three head decks are almost less than CR2 excepting Tandberg > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > >Busted me, Stan. Yes, I would positively take even an old Nak 580M over ANY > >Teac/Tascam or Technics model, although some of these being spoken of are > >respectable decks. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >From: "Stan Targowski" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:43 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > > >> I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time it > >was > >> sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my understanding > >> that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in > >reverse. > >> > >> Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top unit. > >> > >> While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics ever > >> made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or RS-B95 > >> and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than yours. > >> > >> First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- these > >> units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I > >think > >> at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) > >> > >> In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had some > >very > >> promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think that V > >> 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. Stores > >> like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 > >heads, > >> Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. > >> > >> According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the > >TEAC's > >> were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough > >Z9000 > >> was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of Nak > >> fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of our > >top > >> experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). > >> > >> Stan > >> > >> (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were Z9000, > >> Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe > >confusing > >> the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late 80's > >> (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Apr 7 00:42:31 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:42:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <6E04AB19.4FFF2CC6.026D48C1@netscape.net> <515E4E99.600ECA46.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <00a301c0beea$de5f8300$5f05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > *It seems to me this message did not appear in the list, if I'm mistaken sorry for repeat posting* I have to agree with Nicholas. I own both a V-8000S and a V-8030S and they are great decks. I think that the CR-7a, Dragon, B-215 and 3014A are better, but not by a great margin. The older Z series Teacs are the Z-7000, Z-6000 and Z-5000. I owned a Z-7000 once and it was a lovely looking deck and sounded pretty good as well. Kevin Rogers > > Stan, > > As I already mentioned earlier in this group I also own TEAC V-8030S and can say you it's damn good. The recording made on this deck sounds pure and analytical on any other I played it on (includes Nak 700 Tri Tracer, Technics, some Akais and Dragon) It calibrates extremely accurate and its transport is very smooth. > > The list price for this deck is $1150, but it's sold for something around 700 in different retail outlets in Europe and in the USA. > > TEAC's previous top model was V-8000, it mostly the same as V-8030 except some cosmetics. > > Compared to Naks it easily outperform all cheap and midpriced units giving ground only to the best Naks (CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon and 1000ZXL). Of course it is only my opinion and it could differ from others in this group. > > Nicholas. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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God bless, Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they > review the Akai GX-95? > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > I have the review of RSB905( I think) and TEAC 970 - review (from What > Hifi mag) along with CR1/2/3/4 on the same issue. None of these ( non NAK) > Decks' Frequency response is better than even CR1 or 2. However the reviewer > has placed the Teac 970 better than Technics. If anybody is interested ( > give me little time) I can scan and send the review. each of them is 1 page. > This issue of What Hi- Fi had reviewed ( CR4/3 review on Naks FTP site is > from this issue) almost 45 Decks including Tandberg 3014A. None of them come > close to Nak 2 Head recorder excepting Tandberg! However the price of these > three head decks are almost less than CR2 excepting Tandberg > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > >Busted me, Stan. Yes, I would positively take even an old Nak 580M over > ANY > > >Teac/Tascam or Technics model, although some of these being spoken of are > > >respectable decks. > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >From: "Stan Targowski" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:43 PM > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > > > > > >> I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time > it > > >was > > >> sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my > understanding > > >> that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in > > >reverse. > > >> > > >> Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top > unit. > > >> > > >> While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics > ever > > >> made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or > RS-B95 > > >> and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than > yours. > > >> > > >> First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- > these > > >> units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I > > >think > > >> at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) > > >> > > >> In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had some > > >very > > >> promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think > that V > > >> 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. > Stores > > >> like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 > > >heads, > > >> Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. > > >> > > >> According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the > > >TEAC's > > >> were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough > > >Z9000 > > >> was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of > Nak > > >> fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of > our > > >top > > >> experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). > > >> > > >> Stan > > >> > > >> (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were Z9000, > > >> Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe > > >confusing > > >> the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late 80's > > >> (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 7 01:42:53 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 03:42:53 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Performance criterion Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426020@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, taking into account your unmatched experience with all kinds of audio electronics, this is a question addressed primarily to you. When making statements like "I would rather take any Nak, than ... (Technics, Teac, Akai etc.) or "Sony decks are crap" or "this receiver has really nothing special to it, I would prefer..." and so on, what are you guided by in the first instance: * circuits organization * microelement base used (exceptional quality/costly/hard to find parts) * appearance * prejudice * other I know the question is not that simple, but anyway... Maybe some kind of percentage apportionment will be appropriate. I'm really curious. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 03:22:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:22:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of tuners. More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under $150, often $100. It is an exceptionally sensitive & selective tuner, and it also has a very well designed MPX decoder. Instead of just a PLL MPX chip, as in almost every other competitive tuner, it uses a PLL MPX chip simply as "time base" for switching on/off the discrete JFET demux circuit. As for sonic differences in near identical spec tuners, the differences are mostly in the MPX & discriminator circuits, with a little contribution by the bandwidth of the IF stages. One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A & GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's model numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then the Yamaha's, but nearly as good. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > Hi Stephen, > > So this T80 is the 580M equivalent ... :-) Is that based on selectivity or > sound quality ? > > What other ss tuners would you recommend (sonically) other than T1/T2 for > beer budget ? Is Onkyo 9090 that good to be compared to Mac ? I see > emphasis on selectivity whenever people mention 9090 - seems like the most > important when reviewing tuners. Kenwood 990, SR4,120B and even yamaha 890 > a/v differs very little on specs (almost none on f.r), but I can hear much > difference on a strong station (and of course prefer the marantz !). It's > almost like comparing 680 with CR deck. What gives ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > > > By Mac standards, the MR74 was a very cheap tuner, and only about as good > as > > other better-than-average solid state tuners(like the Marantz 2130 & 120, > > which are nothing special at all). That's why it didn't make my list of > > favorites. I'd take a Yamaha T-80 over the above. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 03:29:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:29:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Performance criterion References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426020@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <010601c0bf02$3e87c960$203442cf@sank1> I judge based on overall build quality, logic of construction, quality of parts, experience with reliability, ease of service & sound. With a certain amount of prejudice thrown in, but based on experience with a model or brand, rather than hearsay. For example, I have a much harder time liking a new piece from a company whose previous work has been terrible. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Performance criterion > Stephen, > > taking into account your unmatched experience with all kinds of audio > electronics, this is a question addressed primarily to you. When making > statements like "I would rather take any Nak, than ... (Technics, Teac, Akai > etc.) or "Sony decks are crap" or "this receiver has really nothing special > to it, I would prefer..." and so on, what are you guided by in the first > instance: > > * circuits organization > * microelement base used (exceptional quality/costly/hard to find > parts) > * appearance > * prejudice > * other > > I know the question is not that simple, but anyway... Maybe some kind of > percentage apportionment will be appropriate. I'm really curious. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Sat Apr 7 03:55:03 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:55:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. In-Reply-To: <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010406214453.00c0aeb0@mail.verizon.net> At 4/6/01, you wrote: >he bandwidth of the IF stages. >One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A & >GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's model >numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then the >Yamaha's, but nearly as good. Don't leave out the 60's vintage Fishers tubers like the FM100B and FM 200B. These can be had for relatively little money these days and sound really beautiful. They were very stable and held their alignment. You just need to have good tubes inside. Those Telefunkens they came with are probably still fine. Their top-of the-line FM-1000R stood side by side with the legendary (and truly GF) tuners like the Marantz FM-10B, McIntosh MR-71, Sequerra, and the (pre stereo) REL Precedent. Scott, Fishers market rival, also made some fine tuners, but I don't have any experience with them, personally. _______________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 04:41:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:41:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: <9b.135595a5.27ffd842@aol.com> Hi Brian, Thanks! It is a better deck than I thought. Probably worth keeping... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 04:45:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:45:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: Thank you Brian for all of the information. I am curious, how does this deck stack up against our favorite NAKs? I haven't used the autocalibration system, but the tapes I have recorded on this deck sound great. And, the IR remote is pretty nice to. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 04:51:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:51:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 Message-ID: <4b.9e9da3b.27ffdabd@aol.com> Thank you all for your responses and information regarding my non-Nak deck. I really appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 05:38:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:38:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006401c0bf14$27d38a80$5e289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, I agree that old GF-T1A interestingly sounds a tad better than kenwood 990 which has a much more complicated mpx circuit ! But of course I still prefer 120B, maybe it's a good dose of placebo at work due to my expectation of air variable capacitor ... anyway, they're level matched by ear and 120B sounds more full on bass+vocal, more 'quiet' and 'dynamic', fwiw. I haven't heard that many tuners, so in my scale that (and 2325) are still top for its sonics. Good tuners are even harder to find over here, but I'll grab a T80 if I can find one for Indo's 480 price. It's also interesting to see that there's no 580 of tuners, it's either megabucks - even used revoxes are expensive - or 480s, with the rest of (current) mid priced digital models imho are a pain in the ear. Most came packaged with sanyo ics esp jap receivers; however, one with similar set of ic that sounds nice is NAD - I really liked NAD 705's tuner section. What's your opinion on NAD 4300 (monitor series) tuner ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of tuners. > More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under > $150, often $100. It is an exceptionally sensitive & selective tuner, and > it also has a very well designed MPX decoder. Instead of just a PLL MPX > chip, as in almost every other competitive tuner, it uses a PLL MPX chip > simply as "time base" for switching on/off the discrete JFET demux circuit. > As for sonic differences in near identical spec tuners, the differences are > mostly in the MPX & discriminator circuits, with a little contribution by > the bandwidth of the IF stages. > One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A & > GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's model > numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then the > Yamaha's, but nearly as good. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 05:58:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:58:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now Message-ID: Although bidding is early, price is right. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227607279 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 06:37:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:37:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: BTW - many of you said that you would choose a two-head Nak over any Teac model. I'm just curious as to why? This particular TEAC blows the doors off my BX-150, and I would venture to say that it would also blow away any BX, or DR series Nak. And, possibly the CR1/2/3 and possible CR-4. Yes? No? Can you elaborate. Again, just curious and I truly appreciate all of the feedback. -Sam << Teac R-919X 4-Head Cassette Deck: 4-head cassette deck with Dolby HX-Pro, double dbx, and Dolby B and C NR. Features 3-motor IC-logic transport control silent mechanism; double acculign rotating head system; hysterysis tension servo control system; bi-polar power supply and DC configuration circuit; autoreverse/repeat; multi-function FL display; electronic tape index counter with tape run time mode; 2-color L/R peak program level meter; fine bias adjustment; computomatic program search; computomatic direct selection; intro check; blank scan; memory play/stop; block repeat; auto monitor; master rec level control; output level control; MPX filter; timer rec/playback capability. Optional wooden side panels. Includes full-function wireless remote control. Wow & flutter 0.029% wrms; frequency response 25-20,000 Hz +- 3 dB (metal); signal-to-noise ratio 80 dB at 1,000 Hz (Dolby C). Dimenesions 17 1/8 x 4 7/8 x 10 1/4 Weight 13.25 lb. $830. >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 06:42:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:42:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair Message-ID: I don't know if anyone's interested, but given the sophistication of this group I wanted to share this with you all. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226891577 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 07:13:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:13:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <002601c0bf25$82862b20$5b289bca@smarzuki> I read that Yamaha K2000 4head single side deck uses another erase head located after pb head to remove bias test signals and program content (for commercials on radio recording). User still have to jump and run from his chair to punch the button though ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > 4 heads!!!??? I didn't know such a four headed animal existed!! Is that for > reverse recording, and where do they fit # 4? > > > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 07:52:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:52:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <5.0.0.25.2.20010406214453.00c0aeb0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <011a01c0bf26$e7e6d0e0$203442cf@sank1> Having "cut my teeth" on McIntosh tube gear, I could never quite favor anything made by Fisher or Scott. It was like comparing Rolls Royce to Ford. And quite honestly, Mac is an order of magnitude higher reliability than Scott or Fisher, especially at 30 or 40 years old. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > At 4/6/01, you wrote: > >he bandwidth of the IF stages. > >One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A & > >GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's model > >numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then the > >Yamaha's, but nearly as good. > > Don't leave out the 60's vintage Fishers tubers like the FM100B and FM 200B. > These can be had for relatively little money these days and sound really > beautiful. > They were very stable and held their alignment. You just need to have good > tubes > inside. Those Telefunkens they came with are probably still fine. > Their top-of the-line FM-1000R stood side by side with the legendary (and > truly GF) tuners like the Marantz FM-10B, McIntosh MR-71, Sequerra, and > the (pre stereo) REL Precedent. > > Scott, Fishers market rival, also made some fine tuners, but I don't have any > experience with them, personally. > > _______________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 08:00:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:00:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> <006401c0bf14$27d38a80$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <013201c0bf28$15528320$203442cf@sank1> Do a little bit of component upgrading in the MPX and power supply & the Adcom should mop the floor with the Marantz 120. I don't believe doing the same to the 120 will have as much of an effect. NAD is so consistently appalingly bad build quality that I don't hesitate to warn people to stay as far away from it as possible. One of the worst made brands in audio. In many ways, even worse than Carver. The 705 receiver is notoriously unreliable as an example. And who was the moron who thought it was a great idea to backlight an LCD display with incandescent lamps? Jeez! NAD was not the only brand doing that, but they have kept doing it longer than anyone else, and use the least reliable lamps. Better stop before I really start going on a rant. I have no patience with garbage. And that is what NAD is. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > Stephen, > > I agree that old GF-T1A interestingly sounds a tad better than kenwood 990 > which has a much more complicated mpx circuit ! But of course I still > prefer 120B, maybe it's a good dose of placebo at work due to my expectation > of air variable capacitor ... anyway, they're level matched by ear and 120B > sounds more full on bass+vocal, more 'quiet' and 'dynamic', fwiw. I haven't > heard that many tuners, so in my scale that (and 2325) are still top for its > sonics. > > Good tuners are even harder to find over here, but I'll grab a T80 if I can > find one for Indo's 480 price. It's also interesting to see that there's no > 580 of tuners, it's either megabucks - even used revoxes are expensive - or > 480s, with the rest of (current) mid priced digital models imho are a pain > in the ear. Most came packaged with sanyo ics esp jap receivers; however, > one with similar set of ic that sounds nice is NAD - I really liked NAD > 705's tuner section. What's your opinion on NAD 4300 (monitor series) tuner > ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > > > I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of tuners. > > More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under > > $150, often $100. It is an exceptionally sensitive & selective tuner, and > > it also has a very well designed MPX decoder. Instead of just a PLL MPX > > chip, as in almost every other competitive tuner, it uses a PLL MPX chip > > simply as "time base" for switching on/off the discrete JFET demux > circuit. > > As for sonic differences in near identical spec tuners, the differences > are > > mostly in the MPX & discriminator circuits, with a little contribution by > > the bandwidth of the IF stages. > > One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A & > > GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's > model > > numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then the > > Yamaha's, but nearly as good. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 08:06:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:06:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <014001c0bf28$e475db20$203442cf@sank1> I would fully expect a BX series two head to be blown away by that Teac. It's the crystalloy head 2-head Naks that will blow away the Teac & etc. This means 580/580M exclusively on "modern" dual capstan Naks, unless you include the old TD series car decks. There are a couple of Sendust head 2-heads that should, but not for sure, also beat the other brands, e.g., RX-303, LX-3, 480 & 480Z. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > BTW - many of you said that you would choose a two-head Nak over any Teac > model. I'm just curious as to why? This particular TEAC blows the doors off > my BX-150, and I would venture to say that it would also blow away any BX, or > DR series Nak. And, possibly the CR1/2/3 and possible CR-4. Yes? No? Can > you elaborate. Again, just curious and I truly appreciate all of the > feedback. > > -Sam > > << Teac R-919X 4-Head Cassette Deck: > 4-head cassette deck with Dolby HX-Pro, double dbx, and Dolby B and C NR. > Features 3-motor IC-logic transport control silent mechanism; double > acculign rotating head system; hysterysis tension servo control system; > bi-polar power supply and DC configuration circuit; autoreverse/repeat; > multi-function FL display; electronic tape index counter with tape run time > mode; 2-color L/R peak program level meter; fine bias adjustment; > computomatic program search; computomatic direct selection; intro check; > blank scan; memory play/stop; block repeat; auto monitor; master rec level > control; output level control; MPX filter; timer rec/playback capability. > Optional wooden side panels. Includes full-function wireless remote > control. Wow & flutter 0.029% wrms; frequency response 25-20,000 Hz +- 3 dB > (metal); signal-to-noise ratio 80 dB at 1,000 Hz (Dolby C). Dimenesions 17 > 1/8 x 4 7/8 x 10 1/4 Weight 13.25 lb. $830. >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 08:11:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:11:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <003201c0bf29$90856700$5b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Mine is a R888X also 4 head auto reverse with all alignment facilities +dbx, while I agree that it's clearly above average - sonically I prefer CR4 (not mentioning old 680) over my teac. However I like the sound better than bx 150 - which was sold and replaced by this 888x. I'll wait for the flames. :-) Other non nak deck that I have to come close to CR4 on 'sightest test drive' (not on objective f.r./ distortion etc) is a sony 333es - laser amorph head with home made 'pad lifter' and pioneer 1250 (pb only) with 888x close behind. Interestingly both 333es and 888x use sony cx20187 dolby amp. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > BTW - many of you said that you would choose a two-head Nak over any Teac > model. I'm just curious as to why? This particular TEAC blows the doors off > my BX-150, and I would venture to say that it would also blow away any BX, or > DR series Nak. And, possibly the CR1/2/3 and possible CR-4. Yes? No? Can > you elaborate. Again, just curious and I truly appreciate all of the > feedback. > > -Sam > > << Teac R-919X 4-Head Cassette Deck: > 4-head cassette deck with Dolby HX-Pro, double dbx, and Dolby B and C NR. > Features 3-motor IC-logic transport control silent mechanism; double > acculign rotating head system; hysterysis tension servo control system; > bi-polar power supply and DC configuration circuit; autoreverse/repeat; > multi-function FL display; electronic tape index counter with tape run time > mode; 2-color L/R peak program level meter; fine bias adjustment; > computomatic program search; computomatic direct selection; intro check; > blank scan; memory play/stop; block repeat; auto monitor; master rec level > control; output level control; MPX filter; timer rec/playback capability. > Optional wooden side panels. Includes full-function wireless remote > control. Wow & flutter 0.029% wrms; frequency response 25-20,000 Hz +- 3 dB > (metal); signal-to-noise ratio 80 dB at 1,000 Hz (Dolby C). Dimenesions 17 > 1/8 x 4 7/8 x 10 1/4 Weight 13.25 lb. $830. >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 7 08:13:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:13:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: <002601c0bf25$82862b20$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014e01c0bf29$ea6dc280$203442cf@sank1> Except for no-bass Sendust head, the Yamaha K-2000 was a really cool deck. The second erase head allowed for "on the fly" editing, although it definitely took practice to make good use of it. If I found one cheap enough, I would not be embarassed to have it in my system. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > > I read that Yamaha K2000 4head single side deck uses another erase head > located after pb head to remove bias test signals and program content (for > commercials on radio recording). User still have to jump and run from his > chair to punch the button though ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:53 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > > > > 4 heads!!!??? I didn't know such a four headed animal existed!! Is that > for > > reverse recording, and where do they fit # 4? > > > > > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 08:28:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:28:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: <32.1318d56c.28000da5@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2001 1:07:57 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I would fully expect a BX series two head to be blown away by that Teac. It's the crystalloy head 2-head Naks that will blow away the Teac & etc. This means 580/580M exclusively on "modern" dual capstan Naks, unless you include the old TD series car decks. There are a couple of Sendust head 2-heads that should, but not for sure, also beat the other brands, e.g., RX-303, LX-3, 480 & 480Z. >> Gotcha! Although, I've never heard any recordings made on the decks mentioned above...I understand. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 08:29:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:29:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: <6c.9495dfa.28000dd8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2001 1:14:37 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Except for no-bass Sendust head, the Yamaha K-2000 was a really cool deck. The second erase head allowed for "on the fly" editing, although it definitely took practice to make good use of it. If I found one cheap enough, I would not be embarassed to have it in my system. >> Funny, I almost purchased one of those and purchased my BX-150. Too bad huh? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Apr 7 08:33:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:33:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 Message-ID: <67.12347ff4.28000eac@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2001 1:11:38 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Sam, Mine is a R888X also 4 head auto reverse with all alignment facilities +dbx, while I agree that it's clearly above average - sonically I prefer CR4 (not mentioning old 680) over my teac. However I like the sound better than bx 150 - which was sold and replaced by this 888x. I'll wait for the flames. :-) Other non nak deck that I have to come close to CR4 on 'sightest test drive' (not on objective f.r./ distortion etc) is a sony 333es - laser amorph head with home made 'pad lifter' and pioneer 1250 (pb only) with 888x close behind. Interestingly both 333es and 888x use sony cx20187 dolby amp. Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, No flames from me my friend. My Teac R-919x has served me well. It needs to be serviced, but that's about it. I've noticed that despite the TEAC "acculign rotating head system" I believe the alignment is a bit off in reverse. Have you encountered this problem with your 888x? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 12:02:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:02:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: <67.12347ff4.28000eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <002001c0bf4a$1b8ec380$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, The flames won't be from you ... but from non-nak-haters ! :-) Head can be easily adjusted in my 888 case. If you look at the head in its 'right' position, i.e forward play, with tape guide plate on pb head right side, then the forward play adjustment screw is the one on left. Reverse side alignment screw is on the right side. The head flips itself inside this housing so the alignment screws stay in place. Remember that this is for 888x deck, I'll scan the complete block diagram which include "head core should not be visible" and send it to you soon. I also have the diagram in japanese version ... I have to align the head when I first got it, very easy with just one screw to worry, head height is fixed on spacers - but God help us if we need to replace and re-mount it back ! BTW looking at the 'whack' every reversing side, this alignment should be more routine than Naks. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > Hi Salim, > > No flames from me my friend. My Teac R-919x has served me well. It needs to > be serviced, but that's about it. I've noticed that despite the TEAC > "acculign rotating head system" I believe the alignment is a bit off in > reverse. Have you encountered this problem with your 888x? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 11:48:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:48:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: <014001c0bf28$e475db20$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001f01c0bf4a$175e1220$54289bca@smarzuki> Guess this kind of explains why I liked 480 better than BX ! A friend of mine was looking for similar BX150 when we found this 480 and looking at the dual capstans I recommended that one instead. He also looked for a teac R888x (hmmm I wonder why :-) and got himself V850X (similar to 888x with no auto reverse). At the end, 480 ends up on his main system (blows away CR2 he said) but he won't trade his teac for 2 head bx / cr esp. considering the high prices on average Naks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > I would fully expect a BX series two head to be blown away by that Teac. > It's the crystalloy head 2-head Naks that will blow away the Teac & etc. > This means 580/580M exclusively on "modern" dual capstan Naks, unless you > include the old TD series car decks. There are a couple of Sendust head > 2-heads that should, but not for sure, also beat the other brands, e.g., > RX-303, LX-3, 480 & 480Z. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > > > > BTW - many of you said that you would choose a two-head Nak over any Teac > > model. I'm just curious as to why? This particular TEAC blows the doors > off > > my BX-150, and I would venture to say that it would also blow away any BX, > or > > DR series Nak. And, possibly the CR1/2/3 and possible CR-4. Yes? No? > Can > > you elaborate. Again, just curious and I truly appreciate all of the > > feedback. > > > > -Sam > > > > << Teac R-919X 4-Head Cassette Deck: > > 4-head cassette deck with Dolby HX-Pro, double dbx, and Dolby B and C NR. > > Features 3-motor IC-logic transport control silent mechanism; double > > acculign rotating head system; hysterysis tension servo control system; > > bi-polar power supply and DC configuration circuit; autoreverse/repeat; > > multi-function FL display; electronic tape index counter with tape run > time > > mode; 2-color L/R peak program level meter; fine bias adjustment; > > computomatic program search; computomatic direct selection; intro check; > > blank scan; memory play/stop; block repeat; auto monitor; master rec > level > > control; output level control; MPX filter; timer rec/playback capability. > > Optional wooden side panels. Includes full-function wireless remote > > control. Wow & flutter 0.029% wrms; frequency response 25-20,000 Hz +- 3 > dB > > (metal); signal-to-noise ratio 80 dB at 1,000 Hz (Dolby C). Dimenesions > 17 > > 1/8 x 4 7/8 x 10 1/4 Weight 13.25 lb. $830. >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 7 11:36:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:36:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> <006401c0bf14$27d38a80$5e289bca@smarzuki> <013201c0bf28$15528320$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001e01c0bf4a$13ac06a0$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, I know I should've asked this question on private email, but maybe there's another soul with a GF T1A who also want to tweak his tuner ... "which mpx part needs to be upgraded with quality components ?". I don't have serv manual but there's only one HA12016 hitachi mpx IC surrounded by samwha caps and resistors. I already replaced the de-emphasis capacitor with good quality plastic-mica (required to get to 50 usec Indo std in the first place) which sound a bit improved than using mylar caps. Other than that should I replace the samwha elco's surrounding mpx or add some bypass caps ? Same thing on the power supply side or replace with beefier caps ? My brother also has one which he bought from new back in 85 and I noticed the caps physical sizes are larger than in my unit (and not samhwa - I forgot the brand). I'm counting the days until the NAD lcd burned out ... didn't check the reviews before buying and later on read 'rave' complaints on this ingenuity of incandescent backlit device. It's been only 3 years and has been sparingly used. Maybe I can prevent the burnout using some resistor ? However, tuner section still sounds good compared to yamaha a/v. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > Do a little bit of component upgrading in the MPX and power supply & the > Adcom should mop the floor with the Marantz 120. I don't believe doing the > same to the 120 will have as much of an effect. > NAD is so consistently appalingly bad build quality that I don't hesitate to > warn people to stay as far away from it as possible. One of the worst made > brands in audio. In many ways, even worse than Carver. The 705 receiver is > notoriously unreliable as an example. And who was the moron who thought it > was a great idea to backlight an LCD display with incandescent lamps? Jeez! > NAD was not the only brand doing that, but they have kept doing it longer > than anyone else, and use the least reliable lamps. > Better stop before I really start going on a rant. I have no patience with > garbage. And that is what NAD is. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 7 11:51:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:51:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010406214453.00c0aeb0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003101c0bf48$5c6be7e0$f15d063e@a4s1s2> And dont forget the Leak Troughline's, too, esp. with the outboard stereo decoders. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 07 April 2001 02:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. Don't leave out the 60's vintage Fishers tubers like the FM100B and FM 200B. These can be had for relatively little money these days and sound really beautiful. They were very stable and held their alignment. You just need to have good tubes inside. Those Telefunkens they came with are probably still fine. Their top-of the-line FM-1000R stood side by side with the legendary (and truly GF) tuners like the Marantz FM-10B, McIntosh MR-71, Sequerra, and the (pre stereo) REL Precedent. Scott, Fishers market rival, also made some fine tuners, but I don't have any experience with them, personally. _______________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Apr 7 14:16:36 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:16:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Performance criterion References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426020@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001901c0bf5c$97e77a00$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Performance criterion Before de BX series the quality of 3 head decks is exellent. Suberb head design and pad lifter, transport mechanism with (soft)motor controlled head assembly movement. All together makes this the best sounding cassettedecks ever made. > statements like "I would rather take any Nak, than ... (Technics, Teac, Akai > etc.) or "Sony decks are crap" It's simply the the whole design what matters. For instance an Akai reproduce head inside a Nak will sound like a crappy Akai deck. (Hmm, crappy is a much nicer word than shit I suppose ;-) Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Apr 7 14:22:04 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:22:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: Message-ID: <004201c0bf5d$5b49f090$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 > BTW - many of you said that you would choose a two-head Nak over any Teac > model. I'm just curious as to why? This particular TEAC blows the doors off > my BX-150, and I would venture to say that it would also blow away any BX, or > DR series Nak. Quality prior to the BX series is exellent. After that the cost factor began to be more important and the quality of the Nak decks decreases. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 7 17:44:07 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:44:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> <016801c0bef0$8785df60$10021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <009501c0bf79$952127e0$c7496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Brian Thanks for the web address below. I just bought a ReVox B760 tuner ($200 on German ebay), which is between Germany and Stephen in N.M. at the moment. Stereo Review published a review in June 1980 and that address had it listed for $5.00 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > Those looking for old reviews, Sam gave us a link a couple weeks ago that > may be helpful. http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/magrev.htm > > This guy has a great Web site listing several magazines and their reviews > from many years back. I saw an old issue that tested the GX-9 and I > e-mailed him asking if he knew where I could get a copy. He responded that > if I sent $5 he would make a copy of the review and send it to me. I > haven't done it yet. > > God bless, > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Rogers" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they > > review the Akai GX-95? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > > > > I have the review of RSB905( I think) and TEAC 970 - review (from What > > Hifi mag) along with CR1/2/3/4 on the same issue. None of these ( non NAK) > > Decks' Frequency response is better than even CR1 or 2. However the > reviewer > > has placed the Teac 970 better than Technics. If anybody is interested ( > > give me little time) I can scan and send the review. each of them is 1 > page. > > This issue of What Hi- Fi had reviewed ( CR4/3 review on Naks FTP site is > > from this issue) almost 45 Decks including Tandberg 3014A. None of them > come > > close to Nak 2 Head recorder excepting Tandberg! However the price of > these > > three head decks are almost less than CR2 excepting Tandberg > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > >Busted me, Stan. Yes, I would positively take even an old Nak 580M > over > > ANY > > > >Teac/Tascam or Technics model, although some of these being spoken of > are > > > >respectable decks. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > >From: "Stan Targowski" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:43 PM > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > > > > > > > > >> I think you already have got good parameters of the deck. At the time > > it > > > >was > > > >> sold it was probably their best auto-reverse deck. It is my > > understanding > > > >> that the 4 head configuration had to do with the recording while in > > > >reverse. > > > >> > > > >> Purely for sound, I think at the time the 970X model was their top > > unit. > > > >> > > > >> While Technics RS-BX828 was probably one of the best units Technics > > ever > > > >> made (other than the two piece model whose designation I forgot, or > > RS-B95 > > > >> and RS-M265), TEAC had a few models that I would rank higher than > > yours. > > > >> > > > >> First there was the 'Reference' series, Z9000, Z7000, and Z5000 (*)- > > these > > > >> units were in the price range and physical size of Drangon and CR7. I > > > >think > > > >> at the time, Z9000 listed for something like $1,800. (Circa 1985) > > > >> > > > >> In early to mid 90's TEAC was making V7000, V8030S models that had > some > > > >very > > > >> promissing features. Again, these were non-reversing decks. I think > > that V > > > >> 8030S was one of the longer available decent decks on the market. > > Stores > > > >> like J&R in New York still carried it at least a year ago for $699. 3 > > > >heads, > > > >> Dolby S, separate left/right manual calibration with test tones. > > > >> > > > >> According to some earlier comments by the members of this group, the > > > >TEAC's > > > >> were ranked OK, but not in the same league as Nakamichi's. Eventhough > > > >Z9000 > > > >> was more impressive looking and spec'd than let's say BX300, most of > > Nak > > > >> fans would agree that BX300 was a better sounding deck (I bet one of > > our > > > >top > > > >> experts would go as far as taking a two head 580M over any TEAC). > > > >> > > > >> Stan > > > >> > > > >> (*) I am writing this off the top of my head. I think these were > Z9000, > > > >> Z7000, and Z5000. Unless it was Z7000, Z5000, and Z3000 - I maybe > > > >confusing > > > >> the numbers with the line of Minolta Maxxum cameras from the late > 80's > > > >> (maxxum 9000, 7000, 5000) > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Apr 7 17:55:42 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:55:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> <006401c0bf14$27d38a80$5e289bca@smarzuki> <013201c0bf28$15528320$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3ACF387E.66089BE7@pacbell.net> I agree. I have seen so many NADS fail it boggles my mind. But somehow they got everybody to think that their conservative amp power ratings were loaded with tons of "headroom" and that soft clipping was just as good as Mac's power guard. In a way, it is like the Bose marketing. Stay away from NAD Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Do a little bit of component upgrading in the MPX and power supply & the > Adcom should mop the floor with the Marantz 120. I don't believe doing the > same to the 120 will have as much of an effect. > NAD is so consistently appalingly bad build quality that I don't hesitate to > warn people to stay as far away from it as possible. One of the worst made > brands in audio. In many ways, even worse than Carver. The 705 receiver is > notoriously unreliable as an example. And who was the moron who thought it > was a great idea to backlight an LCD display with incandescent lamps? Jeez! > NAD was not the only brand doing that, but they have kept doing it longer > than anyone else, and use the least reliable lamps. > Better stop before I really start going on a rant. I have no patience with > garbage. And that is what NAD is. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > > > > Stephen, > > > > I agree that old GF-T1A interestingly sounds a tad better than kenwood 990 > > which has a much more complicated mpx circuit ! But of course I still > > prefer 120B, maybe it's a good dose of placebo at work due to my > expectation > > of air variable capacitor ... anyway, they're level matched by ear and > 120B > > sounds more full on bass+vocal, more 'quiet' and 'dynamic', fwiw. I > haven't > > heard that many tuners, so in my scale that (and 2325) are still top for > its > > sonics. > > > > Good tuners are even harder to find over here, but I'll grab a T80 if I > can > > find one for Indo's 480 price. It's also interesting to see that there's > no > > 580 of tuners, it's either megabucks - even used revoxes are expensive - > or > > 480s, with the rest of (current) mid priced digital models imho are a pain > > in the ear. Most came packaged with sanyo ics esp jap receivers; however, > > one with similar set of ic that sounds nice is NAD - I really liked NAD > > 705's tuner section. What's your opinion on NAD 4300 (monitor series) > tuner > > ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > > > > > > I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of > tuners. > > > More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under > > > $150, often $100. It is an exceptionally sensitive & selective tuner, > and > > > it also has a very well designed MPX decoder. Instead of just a PLL MPX > > > chip, as in almost every other competitive tuner, it uses a PLL MPX chip > > > simply as "time base" for switching on/off the discrete JFET demux > > circuit. > > > As for sonic differences in near identical spec tuners, the differences > > are > > > mostly in the MPX & discriminator circuits, with a little contribution > by > > > the bandwidth of the IF stages. > > > One pair of nice, cheap tuners I forgot to mention are the Adcom GFT-1A > & > > > GFT-2(for those who don't know this bit of trivia, "GF" in all Adcom's > > model > > > numbers literally stands for "great fuckin"). Harder to come by then > the > > > Yamaha's, but nearly as good. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Apr 7 19:27:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:27:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair References: Message-ID: <3ACF4E19.B4654D20@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > I don't know if anyone's interested, but given the sophistication of this > group I wanted to share this with you all. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226891577 > Should be interesting to an enterprising handyman. Figure that you can fix 1 unit in 3, using (mostly) parts from the other 2. Figure cost for the 50 about $5000 (unless someone insane gets into the act), including shipping and average cost to repair about $250 apiece. Figure price to sell of $600 each (Israelis are not particularly known for their gentleness. Hence, cosmetics will probably suck). Anticipated total profit: $47500. This -- for God knows how many hours, how much hassle and how high a risk... Naw... I'll pass. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 7 20:11:35 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:11:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair References: <3ACF4E19.B4654D20@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001401c0bf8e$2ef2f6f0$ae496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Unfortunaly, have you seen the ebay prices that ReVox's have been garnishing lately? $77 for an A77 Mk. IV Wow! people are getting rid of these in droves. Most popular A77 configuration is still 4 track, 3.75 & 7.5ips decks which get best prices and will playback all those 4 track pre-recorded tapes that are still very popular on ebay, try a "reel to reel" search. The B77 is still a much better machine, me thinks. I have three A77 Mk. IV's, one being a parts machine if anybody needs anything and two B77's. I've bought many, many ReVox's from ebay. I always have the sellers send them to my ReVox guru in MA before coming to me. He has many stories of the condition that these machines arrive in. Everything from being hit by lighting, heads being way out of adjustment or sometimes a machine that hasn't been used hardly at all and the heads are as new but the machine still needs a couple of pots. replaced because of corrosion. Don't believe as gospel what sellers at ebay say. Most machines, I believe, come from estate sales were the previous owner has been dead for some time and who's to say what he did with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > I don't know if anyone's interested, but given the sophistication of this > > group I wanted to share this with you all. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226891577 > > > > Should be interesting to an enterprising handyman. > Figure that you can fix 1 unit in 3, using (mostly) > parts from the other 2. Figure cost for the 50 about > $5000 (unless someone insane gets into the act), > including shipping and average cost to repair about > $250 apiece. Figure price to sell of $600 each > (Israelis are not particularly known for their > gentleness. Hence, cosmetics will probably suck). > > Anticipated total profit: $47500. This -- for God knows > how many hours, how much hassle and how high a risk... > Naw... I'll pass. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Apr 7 20:40:29 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:40:29 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: Carlos, this is mainly for you, but also for the others, of course. Is this the cassette you referred to as the "BASF Reference Master" ? On the packing it actually says BASF TP-II Reference Maxima and it's type II. I saw some in a shop today and decided to buy a C-60 and C-90 just to try them out - seeing that the C-60 was 20% more expensive than the TDK MA C-60 I became interested ! This cassette boasts a "3 component azimuth-stabilizer shell". I tested it on my B-215 (sorry, guys -:) and it performed quite impressively with some very dynamic music (If anyone's interested - Dean Brown's latest release "Here"). Unfortunately, I am almost illiterate technically and have no measuring equipment whatsoever, so this was an "ears - only" test. I would be interested to get some feedback from anyone else, who has had experience with this tape. George _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Apr 7 22:43:00 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima References: Message-ID: <000d01c0bfa3$569edc40$2f2f2ac4@coqui.net> Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were not available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their reps in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those they use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in cassette tape, BASF is one of the best available. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > Carlos, this is mainly for you, but also for the others, of course. Is this > the cassette you referred to as the "BASF Reference Master" ? On the packing > it actually says BASF TP-II Reference Maxima and it's type II. I saw some in > a shop today and decided to buy a C-60 and C-90 just to try them out - > seeing that the C-60 was 20% more expensive than the TDK MA C-60 I became > interested ! > > This cassette boasts a "3 component azimuth-stabilizer shell". I tested it > on my B-215 (sorry, guys -:) and it performed quite impressively with some > very dynamic music (If anyone's interested - Dean Brown's latest release > "Here"). Unfortunately, I am almost illiterate technically and have no > measuring equipment whatsoever, so this was an "ears - only" test. I would > be interested to get some feedback from anyone else, who has had experience > with this tape. > > George > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Apr 7 22:51:46 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:51:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair References: <3ACF4E19.B4654D20@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002b01c0bfa4$8fed28c0$2f2f2ac4@coqui.net> I know this guy ! He's a camera collector's and all these machines he bought it very cheap. He's honest. At least he was with me. Most of the decks are non working. The real problem is the shipping. No way, I'll pass too ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT- 50 Revox Reel-to-Reels for sale, need repair > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > I don't know if anyone's interested, but given the sophistication of this > > group I wanted to share this with you all. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1226891577 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Apr 7 22:57:16 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:57:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now References: Message-ID: <005b01c0bfa5$549da320$2f2f2ac4@coqui.net> Probelm is the high shipping charge from England, plus the pound is almost twice our dollar cost . So, it's gonna be too expensive by the time the bid finish. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now > Although bidding is early, price is right. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227607279 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Apr 7 23:44:19 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:44:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> <016801c0bef0$8785df60$10021fac@brianm> <009501c0bf79$952127e0$c7496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <001d01c0bfab$e6a88310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > Brian > > Thanks for the web address below. I just bought a ReVox B760 tuner ($200 on > German ebay), which is between Germany and Stephen in N.M. at the moment. Does this item has a 115 Volt mains supply? (Europe has 230 V 50 Hz) I own this tuner too and use it with 14 el. Yagi antenna on a Channel Master rotor. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 7 23:51:35 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:51:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now In-Reply-To: <005b01c0bfa5$549da320$2f2f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: Yes but to those of us living 6o miles away and used to high UK nak prices, the bidding starts! thanks for the link! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Sent: 07 April 2001 21:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now Probelm is the high shipping charge from England, plus the pound is almost twice our dollar cost . So, it's gonna be too expensive by the time the bid finish. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now > Although bidding is early, price is right. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227607279 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Apr 8 01:04:28 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:04:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> <016801c0bef0$8785df60$10021fac@brianm> <009501c0bf79$952127e0$c7496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <001d01c0bfab$e6a88310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <013401c0bfb7$1a0aa700$27021fac@brianm> > I own this tuner too and use it with 14 el. Yagi antenna on a Channel > Master rotor. Nice antenna setup Maurits!!! I would like a setup like this someday. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:44 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > > > > Brian > > > > Thanks for the web address below. I just bought a ReVox B760 tuner > ($200 on > > German ebay), which is between Germany and Stephen in N.M. at the > moment. > > Does this item has a 115 Volt mains supply? (Europe has 230 V 50 Hz) > I own this tuner too and use it with 14 el. Yagi antenna on a Channel > Master rotor. > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 8 03:13:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:13:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> <006401c0bf14$27d38a80$5e289bca@smarzuki> <013201c0bf28$15528320$203442cf@sank1> <001e01c0bf4a$13ac06a0$54289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01df01c0bfc9$173d5100$203442cf@sank1> You've got the right idea on component upgrading. Be sure to also add nice film caps for supply HF bypassing right at the MPX chip & output section. Better electrolytics, or bigger, won't help nearly as much as 0.1ufd or more of nice polypropylene film cap accross each existing one. The thing I actually like most about the GFT-1A & 2 is the tuning seek goes at just the right speed. Can't explain it better than that. It just feels right. Silly thing to be a reason to like a tuner, but it's not the only reason, of course. Yes, if you put about a 5ohm 2watt resistor in series with each lamp, you will extend the life considerably, if they are not near the end of their lives. The best thing to do is to replace those 15v/100mA lamps with something like 18v, <100mA lamps, but that's kind of an odd number on the voltage. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > Hi Stephen, > > I know I should've asked this question on private email, but maybe there's > another soul with a GF T1A who also want to tweak his tuner ... "which mpx > part needs to be upgraded with quality components ?". > > I don't have serv manual but there's only one HA12016 hitachi mpx IC > surrounded by samwha caps and resistors. I already replaced the de-emphasis > capacitor with good quality plastic-mica (required to get to 50 usec Indo > std in the first place) which sound a bit improved than using mylar caps. > Other than that should I replace the samwha elco's surrounding mpx or add > some bypass caps ? > > Same thing on the power supply side or replace with beefier caps ? My > brother also has one which he bought from new back in 85 and I noticed the > caps physical sizes are larger than in my unit (and not samhwa - I forgot > the brand). > > I'm counting the days until the NAD lcd burned out ... didn't check the > reviews before buying and later on read 'rave' complaints on this ingenuity > of incandescent backlit device. It's been only 3 years and has been > sparingly used. Maybe I can prevent the burnout using some resistor ? > However, tuner section still sounds good compared to yamaha a/v. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > > > > Do a little bit of component upgrading in the MPX and power supply & the > > Adcom should mop the floor with the Marantz 120. I don't believe doing > the > > same to the 120 will have as much of an effect. > > NAD is so consistently appalingly bad build quality that I don't hesitate > to > > warn people to stay as far away from it as possible. One of the worst > made > > brands in audio. In many ways, even worse than Carver. The 705 receiver > is > > notoriously unreliable as an example. And who was the moron who thought > it > > was a great idea to backlight an LCD display with incandescent lamps? > Jeez! > > NAD was not the only brand doing that, but they have kept doing it longer > > than anyone else, and use the least reliable lamps. > > Better stop before I really start going on a rant. I have no patience > with > > garbage. And that is what NAD is. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 8 06:45:50 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:45:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need help on transport logic Message-ID: <008d01c0bfe8$02c114e0$47289bca@smarzuki> Hi collective wisdom, :-) I finally bought a good Nak head ... with a BX300 attached to it. :-))) The deck worked fine, did some quick test on pb+rec, all in tip-top shape and still rock solid stable. Removed front panel, cleaned all inside, removed rollers dirt (while in play mode), put back panel etc etc, get a nice tape in, hit play ... voila ! No more play. My question is - could it be possible that transport logic IC got shot ? Current bizzare condition: - only takeup slack (rewind a bit) went to work when I hit play or pause. - in stop mode, stop led and play+pause leds lite up alternately - if I hit rew or ff that flashing led combo stops as if being reset and finally rew / ff after 1 sec 'blank' and counter increases in either rew or ff mode. At first it looked like a loose connector as sometimes it worked while 'touching' cables inside, but got worse by time. Then I accidentally pushed both ff & play, it worked again for 10 minutes, but ... after cleaning+contact spray on tiny switch buttons it refused to play at all. Any hint / clue / schematics / wisdom is much appreciated as I am really discouraged by the nest of of similarly colored cables and fragile cable-push connectors. Having looked at earlier Naks insides, it's difficult to believe that this is made by same company ! Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 8 07:23:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:23:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need help on transport logic References: <008d01c0bfe8$02c114e0$47289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <022d01c0bfeb$fdd6b3a0$203442cf@sank1> I think you'd have figured this one out within a day or two, but to save you the time: The mode control motor is at fault. Just take the motor apart & clean the carbon from the commutator & brushes, apply a bit of silicone contact lubricant & throw it back together. Should be cured for years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Need help on transport logic > > Hi collective wisdom, :-) > > I finally bought a good Nak head ... with a BX300 attached to it. :-))) > > The deck worked fine, did some quick test on pb+rec, all in tip-top shape > and still rock solid stable. Removed front panel, cleaned all inside, > removed rollers dirt (while in play mode), put back panel etc etc, get a > nice tape in, hit play ... voila ! No more play. > > My question is - could it be possible that transport logic IC got shot ? > Current bizzare condition: > - only takeup slack (rewind a bit) went to work when I hit play or pause. > - in stop mode, stop led and play+pause leds lite up alternately > - if I hit rew or ff that flashing led combo stops as if being reset and > finally rew / ff after 1 sec 'blank' and counter increases in either rew or > ff mode. > > At first it looked like a loose connector as sometimes it worked while > 'touching' cables inside, but got worse by time. Then I accidentally pushed > both ff & play, it worked again for 10 minutes, but ... after > cleaning+contact spray on tiny switch buttons it refused to play at all. > > Any hint / clue / schematics / wisdom is much appreciated as I am really > discouraged by the nest of of similarly colored cables and fragile > cable-push connectors. Having looked at earlier Naks insides, it's > difficult to believe that this is made by same company ! > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 8 13:48:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:48:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need help on transport logic References: <008d01c0bfe8$02c114e0$47289bca@smarzuki> <022d01c0bfeb$fdd6b3a0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001b01c0c021$c7540540$53289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakkers, Tell me, is this guy for real ?? :-) One diagnostic and within 3 hrs time this BX is already up and running like nothing ever happened ! No Stephen, I wouldn't get into that motor in 1 or 2 days without your clue and without replacing the two 4071 (?) gates plus other transistors that gets in the way, even with a service manual. Most of the times, if I replace all components ... it gets back to work again ! :-) Now, it's either my CR's out of alignment or BX300 truly sounds better. So confusing. Again, for the Nth time, thanks much for your help ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on transport logic > I think you'd have figured this one out within a day or two, but to save you > the time: The mode control motor is at fault. Just take the motor apart & > clean the carbon from the commutator & brushes, apply a bit of silicone > contact lubricant & throw it back together. Should be cured for years. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "barking" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now > Yes but to those of us living 6o miles away and used to high UK nak prices, > the bidding starts! > thanks for the link! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carlos > Sent: 07 April 2001 21:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now > > > Probelm is the high shipping charge from England, plus the pound is almost > twice our dollar cost . So, it's gonna be too expensive by the time the bid > finish. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Another 1000ZXL cheap right now > > > > Although bidding is early, price is right. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227607279 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Apr 8 18:20:11 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:20:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> <016801c0bef0$8785df60$10021fac@brianm> <009501c0bf79$952127e0$c7496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <001d01c0bfab$e6a88310$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <006c01c0c047$c9a8ae60$af496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Yes, Stephen said it's switchable, just like their rtr machines don't even have a 50 / 60 Hz. problem. Even the FM De-emphasis is switchable. All ReVox equipment seems to be truly universal. I envy your antenna system. I live in Delaware, US. With Baltimore, Washington D.C. and Philadelphia in different directions all at about 100 miles distance, that aerial would do wonders for me! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:44 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > > > > Brian > > > > Thanks for the web address below. I just bought a ReVox B760 tuner > ($200 on > > German ebay), which is between Germany and Stephen in N.M. at the > moment. > > Does this item has a 115 Volt mains supply? (Europe has 230 V 50 Hz) > I own this tuner too and use it with 14 el. Yagi antenna on a Channel > Master rotor. > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 9 05:43:57 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:43:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AD12FFA.203BA55B@snet.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of tuners. > More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under > $150, often $100. Not to tug too hard at this tuner thread, but what are your feelings about the T-70 Stephen. It looks to be the predecessor to the T-80 and I've currently got one that I picked up for something like $15 if you can believe it! Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 9 07:06:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:06:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. References: <002a01c0bead$cf41f5c0$41289bca@smarzuki> <006901c0beb2$446ca1c0$203442cf@sank1> <001f01c0bebd$e3219860$cd199bca@smarzuki> <00f401c0bf01$3fd3ede0$203442cf@sank1> <3AD12FFA.203BA55B@snet.net> Message-ID: <02c001c0c0b3$66d22160$203442cf@sank1> The T-70 was a much more conventional tuner, lacking the fancy MPX circuit, plus some of the nice extra features of the T-80. Nice buy for $15, though, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: cheap marantz 125 tuner gone in 5 hrs. > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I would not go as far as calling the Yamaha T-80/T-85 the 580M of tuners. > > More like the 480 of tuners. About the best tuner you can get for under > > $150, often $100. > > Not to tug too hard at this tuner thread, but what are your feelings about the T-70 > Stephen. It looks to be the predecessor to the T-80 and I've currently got one that I > picked up for something like $15 if you can believe it! > > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 9 08:08:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:08:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> Hello Nak experts, Stephen / Maurits, as you commented about 660 dead / shorted head, could you explain a bit what could possibly caused this ? Is it possible it came from a faulty part in pb amp ? I was wondering if replacing this shorted head could also -slowly- damage the new head (ouch !). I could not think of anything else beside pb amp circuit because general ac fault / spike should've damaged both channels or the rec head as well. Defective product sample ? (why me ? ... :-) This is first time (with only limited experience of course) I've encountered such a thing and maybe other Nakkers would also like to learn about this 'accident'. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 9 08:13:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:13:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review References: <20010406070016.AD0091DFDDA@webmail.vsnl.com> <009901c0beea$47ce48e0$5f05efd1@kevinrog> <016801c0bef0$8785df60$10021fac@brianm> <009501c0bf79$952127e0$c7496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <001801c0c0bc$300e44c0$58289bca@smarzuki> Hi John, Nobody said that life is fair, but getting B760 tuner for that price is ... beyond-fair. :-) May I know the shipping charge for that bulky stuff across the ocean ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stereo Review review > Brian > > Thanks for the web address below. I just bought a ReVox B760 tuner ($200 on > German ebay), which is between Germany and Stephen in N.M. at the moment. > Stereo Review published a review in June 1980 and that address had it listed > for $5.00 > > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 9 09:08:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:08:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <030501c0c0c3$e7b79de0$203442cf@sank1> I really can't see it being any cause but original defect in the head. Anything wrong electronically that could have been severe enough to cause the damage would have left burned parts behind! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dead head > > Hello Nak experts, > > Stephen / Maurits, as you commented about 660 dead / shorted head, could you > explain a bit what could possibly caused this ? Is it possible it came from > a faulty part in pb amp ? I was wondering if replacing this shorted head > could also -slowly- damage the new head (ouch !). I could not think of > anything else beside pb amp circuit because general ac fault / spike > should've damaged both channels or the rec head as well. Defective product > sample ? (why me ? ... :-) > > This is first time (with only limited experience of course) I've encountered > such a thing and maybe other Nakkers would also like to learn about this > 'accident'. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 12:50:30 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426021@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I concur with fellow Carlos! According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but amazingly excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the lowest "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly recommend their Reference Metal tapes. BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes are the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I experienced with the majority of all other brands. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were not > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their > reps > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those > they > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in cassette > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Carlos, this is mainly for you, but also for the others, of course. Is > this > > the cassette you referred to as the "BASF Reference Master" ? On the > packing > > it actually says BASF TP-II Reference Maxima and it's type II. I saw > some > in > > a shop today and decided to buy a C-60 and C-90 just to try them out - > > seeing that the C-60 was 20% more expensive than the TDK MA C-60 I > became > > interested ! > > > > This cassette boasts a "3 component azimuth-stabilizer shell". I tested > it > > on my B-215 (sorry, guys -:) and it performed quite impressively with > some > > very dynamic music (If anyone's interested - Dean Brown's latest release > > "Here"). Unfortunately, I am almost illiterate technically and have no > > measuring equipment whatsoever, so this was an "ears - only" test. I > would > > be interested to get some feedback from anyone else, who has had > experience > > with this tape. > > > > George > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 13:47:38 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:47:38 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems that the anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an address in Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but the level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input signal, while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a moment's worry that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal tapes you mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the "Reference Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The poor girl was just poking around aimlessly. Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's European operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was used to when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they are complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be - or the local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows where. The French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a lesser degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are European ! -:))) George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Igritski Nick Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 I concur with fellow Carlos! According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but amazingly excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the lowest "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly recommend their Reference Metal tapes. BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes are the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I experienced with the majority of all other brands. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were not > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their > reps > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those > they > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in cassette > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Apr 9 13:58:34 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:58:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426021@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <4BFD34BF.080E793D.026D48C1@netscape.net> Don't consider it to be Russian solidarity but I completely agree with Nick! BASF tapes in general and Maxima series in particular proved to be the most robust tapes I have ever used. No stripes, no any other artefacts on any deck. Though sonically I'd prefer Maxell MX-S and TDK AR-X tapes (both are discontinued already) for the sake of retail availability and mechanical robustness I decided to calibrate my 700 Tri Tracer for BASF Chrome tape and never regret it. Nicholas. > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but amazingly > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the lowest > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly recommend > their Reference Metal tapes. > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes are > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I experienced > with the majority of all other brands. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > To:   naktalk at naks.com > > Subject:  Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were not > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their > > reps > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those > > they > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest  in cassette > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:40 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > Carlos, this is mainly for you, but also for the others, of course. Is > > this > > > the cassette you referred to as the "BASF Reference Master" ? On the > > packing > > > it actually says BASF TP-II Reference Maxima and it's type II. I saw > > some > > in > > > a shop today and decided to buy a C-60 and C-90 just to try them out - > > > seeing that the C-60 was 20% more expensive than the TDK MA C-60 I > > became > > > interested ! > > > > > > This cassette boasts a "3 component azimuth-stabilizer shell". I tested > > it > > > on my B-215 (sorry, guys -:) and it performed quite impressively with > > some > > > very dynamic music (If anyone's interested - Dean Brown's latest release > > > "Here"). Unfortunately, I am almost illiterate technically and have no > > > measuring equipment whatsoever, so this was an "ears - only" test. I > > would > > > be interested to get some feedback from anyone else, who has had > > experience > > > with this tape. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 14:20:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:20:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426025@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Yeah, IMHO, BASF are the last TRUE stronghold of high-quality tapes. At least in Europe... I'm at my working desk right now and do not have that Metal tape in front of me. All I can say right now, is that you have to look for TP-IV logo. The look of the cassette in question is very similar to that of Reference Maxima TP-II, except it's differently coloured. The wrapping of TP-II contains a good portion of blue, and the one of TP-IV - a good portion of magenta/violet or something. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:48 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems that the > > anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an address in > Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but the > level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input signal, > while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a moment's > worry > that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). > > Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal tapes you > > mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the > "Reference > Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The poor > girl > was just poking around aimlessly. > > Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's European > operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was used to > when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they are > complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be - or > the > local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows where. The > > French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a lesser > degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. > > At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are European ! > -:))) > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Igritski Nick > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but amazingly > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the > lowest > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly > recommend > their Reference Metal tapes. > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes are > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I > experienced > with the majority of all other brands. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were > not > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their > > reps > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those > > they > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in > cassette > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 9 15:00:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:00:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> <030501c0c0c3$e7b79de0$203442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c0c0f5$48085500$52289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen ! Must be a lovely spring you guys are having over there ... only a number of messages. I have another tidbit question: I was looking at transparent intro tape overlaid on Nak pb head and looks like pb slotted head have exactly same width as tape width - from slot's edge to edge. I believe it's how the head is designed (rather than make it a little narrower). Now, for those who doesn't have any test or track alignment tape (like me :-), would it make good approximation to visually align the head - so that it coincides with tape edge / width ? Using a 'wrecked' tape (so that I can clearly see tape travel between capstans), I can see head moved for every height adj 'click' and able to align the edge to match tape travel. Since Nak is so accurate in its production line (except that shorted head), do you think using 1k tape alignment method would ultimately put the head at exact tape width ? Thanks again and have fun guys ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > I really can't see it being any cause but original defect in the head. > Anything wrong electronically that could have been severe enough to cause > the damage would have left burned parts behind! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 15:30:09 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:30:09 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 48x again Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426026@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi all, my 480Z & 481 just don't wanna let me to live a full life, damn it... I bought them at different times, at different places, but they both seem to share common faults: 1. Noticeable fluctuations of tape speed. Within the first few seconds after Play-button is pushed the tape speed reads approx. 4.9 cm/sec then slowly drops down to 4.78, which is obviously out of +/- 0.5% tolerance range. The response of the actual tape speed to adjustment of VR (located in the back the capsatan motor) is NOT smooth. It's rather sort of discontinuous change. In the beginning, my 480Z only suffered from that disease, but now my 481 developed the same fault either. What the f..k (sorry) is it? Is it kinda hereditary disease of the 48x line? Or is it me, the lucky one? 2. Problems with proper bias settings. Bias trim pots located on that separate little shitty (sorry again) PCB seem to be loosened or something in both decks. Just as if somebody would have applied brute force to them. Nobody would in fact - there're no obvious tracks of violence there. The pots are simply way too loosened to let one to adjust bias correctly - the readings are way too jumpy. The following fault is currently clearly distinctive on 480Z only, but I won't be surprised, if it will gradually come over 481. Besides rickety bias trim pots, setting of more or less proper bias on that deck is IMPOSSIBLE with any tape. The "best" results I can get is +4 dB!!! rise at already 10K, whereafter FR just keeps rising and rising, reaching +10dB at 20K with CrO2 tape. What the f..k can cause this to be? Many thanx in advance Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 15:41:57 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:41:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 Message-ID: A friend of mine just got hold of a 582 and is very eager to set it against my B-215 once he has it properly aligned and calibrated. Should I be worried -:))) ? George _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 15:58:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:58:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426027@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> [Igritski Nick] Hi buddy! > > I have another tidbit question: I was looking at transparent intro tape > overlaid on Nak pb head and looks like pb slotted head have exactly same > width as tape width - from slot's edge to edge. I believe it's how the > head > is designed (rather than make it a little narrower). Now, for those who > doesn't have any test or track alignment tape (like me :-), would it make > good approximation to visually align the head - so that it coincides with > tape edge / width ? [Igritski Nick] For the purposes of a PRECISE adjustment - NO, it wouldn't. This will only secure your tapes from being edge-crumpled. > Using a 'wrecked' tape (so that I can clearly see tape travel between > capstans), I can see head moved for every height adj 'click' and able to > align the edge to match tape travel. Since Nak is so accurate in its > production line (except that shorted head), do you think using 1k tape > alignment method would ultimately put the head at exact tape width ? [Igritski Nick] If you have an original 1K Track Alignment Tape with the signal recorded exactly in the middle of the tape - it's arguably the very best tool for the purposes of fine track alignment. If you don't have such a tape, you better use a "normally" recorded tape with 3K (instead of 1K) sine on it. Use your headphones and ears to obtain the loudest output while fine adjusting the head hight gear. I bet this way will lead you very close to the "ideal" position. > > Thanks again and have fun guys ! > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > I really can't see it being any cause but original defect in the head. > > Anything wrong electronically that could have been severe enough to > cause > > the damage would have left burned parts behind! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Apr 9 16:22:06 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:22:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> <030501c0c0c3$e7b79de0$203442cf@sank1> <000801c0c0f5$48085500$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c0c100$74e06e40$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > doesn't have any test or track alignment tape (like me :-), would it make > good approximation to visually align the head - so that it coincides with > tape edge / width ? Nakamichi Service Manual has the following statement after the recording head height/azimuth aligment procedure: Immerse the recorded tape in a magnetized developing solution. In turn, check to insure that the recording head tracks across the center are separated with a distance of 0.55 tp 0.75 mm (typically 0.65 mm) as illustrated (;-) note: Liquid for tape magnetized development solution "Magna-See, Sound Craft a product of CBS Recordings or equivalent". But with a worn out or electrically damaged head there is only one solution, look for a better/new one, i'm afraid. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 9 18:57:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:57:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 48x again References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426026@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001901c0c118$d4e00180$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, I haven't had any problem with 482 (and my friend's 480) motor *yet*. More on no-play, no-record and smoked-transistors (related to cam voltage setting) also bias orange-cap disease. However, it is impossible for me to get correct bias for normal tape (480 is more severe than 482). Like yours, mine has increasing fr - but with a curve like one fat gorilla lying down. Large wide stomatch covers 4-10k area, fiddling with rec amp eq. L104/204 helps a little bit but still far from flat curve. I didn't do any proper measurement though ... tired of rec-rew-play cycle, is there any better way ? Let's hope the gurus are not turned off by your choice of words and come to the rescue ! :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] 48x again > Hi all, > > my 480Z & 481 just don't wanna let me to live a full life, damn it... I > bought them at different times, at different places, but they both seem to > share common faults: > > 1. Noticeable fluctuations of tape speed. > Within the first few seconds after Play-button is pushed the tape > speed reads approx. 4.9 cm/sec then slowly drops down to 4.78, which is > obviously out of +/- 0.5% tolerance range. The response of the actual > tape speed to adjustment of VR (located in the back the capsatan motor) is > NOT smooth. It's rather sort of discontinuous change. In the > beginning, my 480Z only suffered from that disease, but now my 481 developed > the same fault either. What the f..k (sorry) is it? Is it kinda > hereditary disease of the 48x line? Or is it me, the lucky one? > > 2. Problems with proper bias settings. > Bias trim pots located on that separate little shitty (sorry again) > PCB seem to be loosened or something in both decks. Just as if somebody > would have applied brute force to them. Nobody would in fact - there're > no obvious tracks of violence there. The pots are simply way too loosened to > let one to adjust bias correctly - the readings are way too jumpy. > > The following fault is currently clearly distinctive on 480Z only, > but I won't be surprised, if it will gradually come over 481. Besides > rickety bias trim pots, setting of more or less proper bias on that > deck is IMPOSSIBLE with any tape. The "best" results I can get is +4 dB!!! > rise at already 10K, whereafter FR just keeps rising and rising, reaching > +10dB at 20K with CrO2 tape. What the f..k can cause this to be? > > Many thanx in advance > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 9 19:16:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:16:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> <030501c0c0c3$e7b79de0$203442cf@sank1> <000801c0c0f5$48085500$52289bca@smarzuki> <002101c0c100$74e06e40$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <001d01c0c118$df38ee80$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Maurits + Nick + all, Assuming that we both have Wouter's excellent 582 service manual on hand, fig.2.1.7 on page 7 seems to contain part of the answer. Record head's core should be more or less aligned with tape's edge, while pb head's core is 0.25 mm to the inside part of tape, and if that additional golden strip next to left channel core measures exactly 0.25mm then ... in theory, with an ideal tape width (3.75 mm?), pb & rec head should be perfectly aligned with head's edge, right ? no ? Maybe a better phrased question should be ... is Nak pb (and rec) head measures exactly 3.75mm between edge slots ? Immersing solution with perfectly aligned rec head would only confirm the 0.65 mm distance between reverse side recordings (now how can we ever measure 0.65mm with 0.10mm tolerance on a printed tape ? using microscope ?). Anyway I think a test tape is a must, anybody has any experience using the one from parts express ? Maurits ... I'm not trying to align my dead 660 head, but heads in general. Like Nick, we 'collect' dead - or almost dead - decks !! No offense Nick my friend ... but reading about your 480/481 decks really brought tears to my eye knowing that someone, somewhere (well, in Russia), is also banging his real head ! However, my blessing is in head malfunctions, while you seem to be more gifted in motor area. :-) Best regards, Salim SM Hey, yesterday I cranked open BX control motor, (lucky there's no voltage to set cam position) and you had your zx7 head. Seems more fitting if we trade your zx for my bx ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > Nakamichi Service Manual has the following statement after the > recording head height/azimuth aligment procedure: > > Immerse the recorded tape in a magnetized developing solution. In > turn, check to insure that the recording head tracks across the > center are separated with a distance of 0.55 tp 0.75 mm (typically > 0.65 mm) as illustrated (;-) > note: > Liquid for tape magnetized development solution > "Magna-See, Sound Craft a product of CBS Recordings or equivalent". > But with a worn out or electrically damaged head there is only one > solution, look for a better/new one, i'm afraid. > > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 9 20:29:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:29:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 48x again References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426026@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <032f01c0c123$0a791f20$203442cf@sank1> On your speed problem, it sounds like it may simply be poor contact in the speed control pot in the motor. All you can do is try to get some contact lubricant into it from outside, since the EG510 motor is fairly impossible to take apart, then excersize the pot well. The bias trimmers you can pull out & re-press the bent-metal assembly of the wipers. As for the inadequate bias & other frequency/level problems, all I can figure is "orange cap disease", since I haven't seen any similar problems in 48x before. I wouldn't have any confidence of a cure until every orange cap in the decks is replaced with green Matsushita polyesters. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] 48x again > Hi all, > > my 480Z & 481 just don't wanna let me to live a full life, damn it... I > bought them at different times, at different places, but they both seem to > share common faults: > > 1. Noticeable fluctuations of tape speed. > Within the first few seconds after Play-button is pushed the tape > speed reads approx. 4.9 cm/sec then slowly drops down to 4.78, which is > obviously out of +/- 0.5% tolerance range. The response of the actual > tape speed to adjustment of VR (located in the back the capsatan motor) is > NOT smooth. It's rather sort of discontinuous change. In the > beginning, my 480Z only suffered from that disease, but now my 481 developed > the same fault either. What the f..k (sorry) is it? Is it kinda > hereditary disease of the 48x line? Or is it me, the lucky one? > > 2. Problems with proper bias settings. > Bias trim pots located on that separate little shitty (sorry again) > PCB seem to be loosened or something in both decks. Just as if somebody > would have applied brute force to them. Nobody would in fact - there're > no obvious tracks of violence there. The pots are simply way too loosened to > let one to adjust bias correctly - the readings are way too jumpy. > > The following fault is currently clearly distinctive on 480Z only, > but I won't be surprised, if it will gradually come over 481. Besides > rickety bias trim pots, setting of more or less proper bias on that > deck is IMPOSSIBLE with any tape. The "best" results I can get is +4 dB!!! > rise at already 10K, whereafter FR just keeps rising and rising, reaching > +10dB at 20K with CrO2 tape. What the f..k can cause this to be? > > Many thanx in advance > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I am curious what your reaction will be to the comparative listening, especially if you compare the two decks side by side, on the same system. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Apr 6 07:05:38 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:05:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: Message-ID: <5191B4EB.240093F9.026D48C1@netscape.net> Stan, As I already mentioned earlier in this group I also own TEAC V-8030S and can say you it's damn good. The recording made on this deck sounds pure and analytical on any other I played it on (includes Nak 700 Tri Tracer, Technics, some Akais and Dragon) It calibrates extremely accurate and its transport is very smooth. The list price for this deck is $1150, but it's sold for something around 700 in different retail outlets in Europe and in the USA. TEAC's previous top model was V-8000, it mostly the same as V-8030 except some cosmetics. Compared to Naks it easily outperform all cheap and midpriced units giving ground only to the best Naks (CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon and 1000ZXL). Of course it is only my opinion and it could differ from others in this group. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:17:16 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:17:16 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 Message-ID: Well, Ron, this is exactly what we have planned - he'll bring his 582 over (since mine is bigger -:))) and do the A - B test on my system. I let you know the outcome, probably in a couple of weeks, since we share the same (only?) technician and he is currently busy with a 680ZX. Thanks for the moral support -:))) George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ron Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:41:29 -0400 George Valkov wrote: > > A friend of mine just got hold of a 582 and is very eager to set it against > my B-215 once he has it properly aligned and calibrated. Should I be worried > -:))) ? > > George > In my very limited experience, no. I owned a 582 for many years and also listened to a friend's B215 several times. Unfortunately, not on A to B basis, and with different systems. I thought his ReVox was slightly better -- not by much, but noticeably. I am curious what your reaction will be to the comparative listening, especially if you compare the two decks side by side, on the same system. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 22:46:28 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:46:28 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 48x again Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426028@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanx Stephen. As usually, you're very laconic and at the same time very constructive. As we use to say here, brevity is talent's sister! I got contact lubricant into the motor - didn't help :-( So, the bastards are probably just dying. As to the FR-problem, I would like to thank you one more time for the tip. Gonna replace the orange pest immediately. Let's see then... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:30 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 48x again > > On your speed problem, it sounds like it may simply be poor contact in the > speed control pot in the motor. All you can do is try to get some contact > lubricant into it from outside, since the EG510 motor is fairly impossible > to take apart, then excersize the pot well. > The bias trimmers you can pull out & re-press the bent-metal assembly of > the > wipers. > As for the inadequate bias & other frequency/level problems, all I can > figure is "orange cap disease", since I haven't seen any similar problems > in > 48x before. I wouldn't have any confidence of a cure until every orange > cap > in the decks is replaced with green Matsushita polyesters. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 48x again > > > > Hi all, > > > > my 480Z & 481 just don't wanna let me to live a full life, damn it... I > > bought them at different times, at different places, but they both seem > to > > share common faults: > > > > 1. Noticeable fluctuations of tape speed. > > Within the first few seconds after Play-button is pushed the tape > > speed reads approx. 4.9 cm/sec then slowly drops down to 4.78, which is > > obviously out of +/- 0.5% tolerance range. The response of the actual > > tape speed to adjustment of VR (located in the back the capsatan motor) > is > > NOT smooth. It's rather sort of discontinuous change. In the > > beginning, my 480Z only suffered from that disease, but now my 481 > developed > > the same fault either. What the f..k (sorry) is it? Is it kinda > > hereditary disease of the 48x line? Or is it me, the lucky one? > > > > 2. Problems with proper bias settings. > > Bias trim pots located on that separate little shitty (sorry again) > > PCB seem to be loosened or something in both decks. Just as if somebody > > would have applied brute force to them. Nobody would in fact - there're > > no obvious tracks of violence there. The pots are simply way too > loosened > to > > let one to adjust bias correctly - the readings are way too jumpy. > > > > The following fault is currently clearly distinctive on 480Z only, > > but I won't be surprised, if it will gradually come over 481. Besides > > rickety bias trim pots, setting of more or less proper bias on that > > deck is IMPOSSIBLE with any tape. The "best" results I can get is +4 > dB!!! > > rise at already 10K, whereafter FR just keeps rising and rising, > reaching > > +10dB at 20K with CrO2 tape. What the f..k can cause this to be? > > > > Many thanx in advance > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 22:50:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:50:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head + Magnetised development solution Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426029@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, has anyone ever seen or used this Magnetized Development Solution? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:22 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > doesn't have any test or track alignment tape (like me :-), would > it make > > good approximation to visually align the head - so that it > coincides with > > tape edge / width ? > > > Nakamichi Service Manual has the following statement after the > recording head height/azimuth aligment procedure: > > Immerse the recorded tape in a magnetized developing solution. In > turn, check to insure that the recording head tracks across the > center are separated with a distance of 0.55 tp 0.75 mm (typically > 0.65 mm) as illustrated (;-) > note: > Liquid for tape magnetized development solution > "Magna-See, Sound Craft a product of CBS Recordings or equivalent". > But with a worn out or electrically damaged head there is only one > solution, look for a better/new one, i'm afraid. > > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Apr 9 23:08:07 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:08:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42602A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Salim, buddy, x'cuse my stupidity ;-), but I just don't get it, what are you trying to do in the end: to theorize or to practically get your heads aligned? I told you how to proceed even in the absence of any measuring devices. My advice is, naturally, no panacea, but it works very well in 80% of cases (BTW, my own ZX-7 has been among the other 20%). Do you really care about observing all those fractions of millimeter? Sincerely Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > Hi Maurits + Nick + all, > > Assuming that we both have Wouter's excellent 582 service manual on hand, > fig.2.1.7 on page 7 seems to contain part of the answer. Record head's > core > should be more or less aligned with tape's edge, while pb head's core is > 0.25 mm to the inside part of tape, and if that additional golden strip > next > to left channel core measures exactly 0.25mm then ... in theory, with an > ideal tape width (3.75 mm?), pb & rec head should be perfectly aligned > with > head's edge, right ? no ? > > Maybe a better phrased question should be ... is Nak pb (and rec) head > measures exactly 3.75mm between edge slots ? > > Immersing solution with perfectly aligned rec head would only confirm the > 0.65 mm distance between reverse side recordings (now how can we ever > measure 0.65mm with 0.10mm tolerance on a printed tape ? using microscope > ?). Anyway I think a test tape is a must, anybody has any experience > using > the one from parts express ? > > Maurits ... I'm not trying to align my dead 660 head, but heads in > general. > Like Nick, we 'collect' dead - or almost dead - decks !! No offense Nick > my > friend ... but reading about your 480/481 decks really brought tears to my > eye knowing that someone, somewhere (well, in Russia), is also banging his > real head ! However, my blessing is in head malfunctions, while you seem > to be more gifted in motor area. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > Hey, yesterday I cranked open BX control motor, (lucky there's no voltage > to > set cam position) and you had your zx7 head. Seems more fitting if we > trade > your zx for my bx ? :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurits" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > Nakamichi Service Manual has the following statement after the > > recording head height/azimuth aligment procedure: > > > > Immerse the recorded tape in a magnetized developing solution. In > > turn, check to insure that the recording head tracks across the > > center are separated with a distance of 0.55 tp 0.75 mm (typically > > 0.65 mm) as illustrated (;-) > > note: > > Liquid for tape magnetized development solution > > "Magna-See, Sound Craft a product of CBS Recordings or equivalent". > > But with a worn out or electrically damaged head there is only one > > solution, look for a better/new one, i'm afraid. > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 00:20:10 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:20:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <001701c0c0bc$083eec60$58289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AD2359A.EAB35A3A@yahoo.com> I would look at the schematic and replace the first signal cap that the head goes to. Also I'de check the junctions on the first transistor for leaks. Though I'm not sure I think transistors can fail in such a way that supply voltage leaks to the base. Ouch!! On a different matter, I was fixing a dead channel on my 700. It was the PB board so I began bridging the bases on the devices from the back end foward until I got to the JFET which tested bad. I began scrounging around through my box of dead PCBs and by the time I was down to the last few boards I found a JFET. Unbelievably, it was a K30A; a perfect match! So I tested the PB board up and down of the bad K30 for seciondary problems and soldered in the new one. It worked fine after that with both channels even. In conclusion, it pays to keep boxes of junk pcbs in the house! Javier Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hello Nak experts, > > Stephen / Maurits, as you commented about 660 dead / shorted head, could you > explain a bit what could possibly caused this ? Is it possible it came from > a faulty part in pb amp ? I was wondering if replacing this shorted head > could also -slowly- damage the new head (ouch !). I could not think of > anything else beside pb amp circuit because general ac fault / spike > should've damaged both channels or the rec head as well. Defective product > sample ? (why me ? ... :-) > > This is first time (with only limited experience of course) I've encountered > such a thing and maybe other Nakkers would also like to learn about this > 'accident'. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 10 02:17:59 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:17:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 References: Message-ID: <000d01c0c153$b8d09e60$70232ac4@coqui.net> I wouldn't be worry against any deck but you MUST have the B-215 properly aligned. She's unforgiven when not set to specs. At least, that's my experience. Any tape recorded in an excellent condition B-215 should sound nice anywhere and that's one of the main attributes this deck has. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 > A friend of mine just got hold of a 582 and is very eager to set it against > my B-215 once he has it properly aligned and calibrated. Should I be worried > -:))) ? > > George > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 10 02:20:34 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:20:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426025@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001b01c0c154$0fb35b00$70232ac4@coqui.net> Well Nick, after all, the germans invented the magnetic recording and tape, BASF. Later on Ampex improved it until Willi Studer ... well, you know the story. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > Yeah, IMHO, BASF are the last TRUE stronghold of high-quality tapes. At > least in Europe... I'm at my working desk right now and do not have that > Metal tape in front of me. All I can say right now, is that you have to look > for TP-IV logo. The look of the cassette in question is very similar to that > of Reference Maxima TP-II, except it's differently coloured. The wrapping of > TP-II contains a good portion of blue, and the one of TP-IV - a good portion > of magenta/violet or something. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:48 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems that the > > > > anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an address in > > Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but the > > level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input signal, > > while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a moment's > > worry > > that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). > > > > Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal tapes you > > > > mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the > > "Reference > > Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The poor > > girl > > was just poking around aimlessly. > > > > Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's European > > operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was used to > > when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they are > > complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be - or > > the > > local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows where. The > > > > French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a lesser > > degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. > > > > At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are European ! > > -:))) > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Igritski Nick > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 > > > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but amazingly > > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the > > lowest > > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly > > recommend > > their Reference Metal tapes. > > > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes are > > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I > > experienced > > with the majority of all other brands. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before were > > not > > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were their > > > reps > > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than those > > > they > > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in > > cassette > > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 05:14:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:14:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42602A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001e01c0c16c$c326c2e0$45289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, My question assumed that we *don't* have any 1k nor 3k test tape (yet). :-) Anyway, does anybody know width specification and tolerance of a tape ? Exactly 3.750 mm ? Not that I really care about those mm fractions ... I was wondering if the head is manufactured on such tight tolerance and let's say its slots designed exactly as wide as a cassette tape - then isn't it true that in practice we are trying to get the slots aligned exactly at tape width ? On the other hand, let's say I have a test tape that was produced / recorded with less tolerance than Nak head mfg. Using that test tape resulted in an offset of 0.3 mm between tape and pb head / slot (good test result + tape edge a bit off). Which method would be 'better' ? Reason for my question .. is that I aligned my CR4 (years ago) using old sony 'test tape', no measuring device, just headphones & meter (it played pre-recorded tapes quite well afterwards) - and yesterday I noticed pb head is a bit too low on tape travel - edges don't meet. I was intrigued by this eye-aligned BX300, so I re-aligned CR to match tape width and now output is a bit higher & more balanced (although sonically I still like bx better). Well, you can also conclude that my hearing is not balanced ! But my question would then be 'how to align pb head for unbalanced ear'. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > Salim, buddy, x'cuse my stupidity ;-), but I just don't get it, what are you > trying to do in the end: to theorize or to practically get your heads > aligned? > > I told you how to proceed even in the absence of any measuring devices. My > advice is, naturally, no panacea, but it works very well in 80% of cases > (BTW, my own ZX-7 has been among the other 20%). Do you really care about > observing all those fractions of millimeter? > > Sincerely > > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Apr 10 10:56:35 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:56:35 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <200104100856.IAA27808@webpage.vsnl.net.in> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Apr 10 05:49:29 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:19:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 Message-ID: <20010410034929.176CD1DFB96@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 06:08:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:08:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010410034929.176CD1DFB96@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AD28743.19A0DB07@earthlink.net> Hi Kannan, If you don't mind, would you email a copy of the Tandberg to me too? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > Kevin > few days I had sent the scanned copy of Tandberg review to your address. Did you receive it? > Incase you have not I will resend the same > Kannan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they > review the Akai GX-95? > > Kevin Rogers > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 10 06:31:55 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:31:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Repeat postings References: <5191B4EB.240093F9.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <241AA83D.2DFA4D1A.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear friends, Please excuse me for repeat postings that is not my fault but some irregularities of Netscape Webmail client I use. They were upgrading software and as usual something goes wrong. I hope there will be just a bit more postings and after that it will stop. Please take my excuses. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 10 06:52:45 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:52:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010410034929.176CD1DFB96@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <6479385A.0C73B773.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hello, Kannan, Excuse me for bothering you one more time but I'm afraid due to my problems with E-mail client you missed my question about the reviews. Could please check once more what magazine they are originated from (What Hi-Fi or Hi-Fi Choice). Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 10 07:46:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:46:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - another great find... Message-ID: <3b.12f687ed.2803f841@aol.com> Although I have owned one, I'm almost tempted. -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1422833902 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Apr 10 08:31:15 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:01:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 Message-ID: <20010410063115.07EC61E0226@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 10 08:34:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:34:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 Message-ID: <5b.1485ab3a.2804038a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/10/2001 1:32:36 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Dear Nick It is from Hifi Choice ( what I had sent you earlierby post and nothing new) and not from What Hifi - sorry for the mistake in my earlier posting. To Sam I will be sending the review soon to you Kannan >> Thank you Kannan! I really appreciate it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 10 08:52:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:52:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42602D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Oh yeah, Carlos, I know! BTW, attention of George Valkov! I've taken a look at my BASF Type IV tapes and now can tell you: it's -BASF TP IV Metal Maxima- Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Well Nick, after all, the germans invented the magnetic recording and > tape, > BASF. Later on Ampex improved it until Willi Studer ... well, you know the > story. > > Best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:20 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Yeah, IMHO, BASF are the last TRUE stronghold of high-quality tapes. At > > least in Europe... I'm at my working desk right now and do not have that > > Metal tape in front of me. All I can say right now, is that you have to > look > > for TP-IV logo. The look of the cassette in question is very similar to > that > > of Reference Maxima TP-II, except it's differently coloured. The > wrapping > of > > TP-II contains a good portion of blue, and the one of TP-IV - a good > portion > > of magenta/violet or something. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:48 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems that > the > > > > > > anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an address > in > > > Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but > the > > > level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input > signal, > > > while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a moment's > > > worry > > > that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). > > > > > > Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal tapes > you > > > > > > mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the > > > "Reference > > > Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The > poor > > > girl > > > was just poking around aimlessly. > > > > > > Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's European > > > operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was used > to > > > when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they > are > > > complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be - > or > > > the > > > local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows where. > The > > > > > > French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a lesser > > > degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. > > > > > > At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are > European > ! > > > -:))) > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Igritski Nick > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 > > > > > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > > > > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but > amazingly > > > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the > > > lowest > > > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly > > > recommend > > > their Reference Metal tapes. > > > > > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > > > > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes > are > > > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I > > > experienced > > > with the majority of all other brands. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before > were > > > not > > > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were > their > > > > reps > > > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than > those > > > > they > > > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in > > > cassette > > > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 09:13:03 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:13:03 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: Thanks, Nick - I already found them, in another shop and cheaper than the TP-II I bought last week ! Terrific tape - sorry TDK, you lost me as a regular ! George Sofia, Bulgaria ----Original Message Follows---- From: Igritski Nick Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:52:37 +0400 Oh yeah, Carlos, I know! BTW, attention of George Valkov! I've taken a look at my BASF Type IV tapes and now can tell you: it's -BASF TP IV Metal Maxima- Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Well Nick, after all, the germans invented the magnetic recording and > tape, > BASF. Later on Ampex improved it until Willi Studer ... well, you know the > story. > > Best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:20 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Yeah, IMHO, BASF are the last TRUE stronghold of high-quality tapes. At > > least in Europe... I'm at my working desk right now and do not have that > > Metal tape in front of me. All I can say right now, is that you have to > look > > for TP-IV logo. The look of the cassette in question is very similar to > that > > of Reference Maxima TP-II, except it's differently coloured. The > wrapping > of > > TP-II contains a good portion of blue, and the one of TP-IV - a good > portion > > of magenta/violet or something. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:48 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems that > the > > > > > > anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an address > in > > > Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but > the > > > level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input > signal, > > > while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a moment's > > > worry > > > that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). > > > > > > Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal tapes > you > > > > > > mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the > > > "Reference > > > Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The > poor > > > girl > > > was just poking around aimlessly. > > > > > > Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's European > > > operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was used > to > > > when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they > are > > > complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be - > or > > > the > > > local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows where. > The > > > > > > French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a lesser > > > degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. > > > > > > At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are > European > ! > > > -:))) > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Igritski Nick > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 > > > > > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > > > > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but > amazingly > > > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by the > > > lowest > > > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly > > > recommend > > > their Reference Metal tapes. > > > > > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > > > > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their tapes > are > > > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I > > > experienced > > > with the majority of all other brands. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned before > were > > > not > > > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were > their > > > > reps > > > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better than > those > > > > they > > > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in > > > cassette > > > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 10 11:13:53 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:13:53 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42602F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Anytime, buddy! > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > Thanks, Nick - I already found them, in another shop and cheaper than the > TP-II I bought last week ! Terrific tape - sorry TDK, you lost me as a > regular ! > > George > Sofia, Bulgaria > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Igritski Nick > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:52:37 +0400 > > Oh yeah, Carlos, I know! > > BTW, attention of George Valkov! I've taken a look at my BASF Type IV > tapes > and now can tell you: > > it's -BASF TP IV Metal Maxima- > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:21 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Well Nick, after all, the germans invented the magnetic recording and > > tape, > > BASF. Later on Ampex improved it until Willi Studer ... well, you know > the > > story. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:20 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > Yeah, IMHO, BASF are the last TRUE stronghold of high-quality tapes. > At > > > least in Europe... I'm at my working desk right now and do not have > that > > > Metal tape in front of me. All I can say right now, is that you have > to > > look > > > for TP-IV logo. The look of the cassette in question is very similar > to > > that > > > of Reference Maxima TP-II, except it's differently coloured. The > > wrapping > > of > > > TP-II contains a good portion of blue, and the one of TP-IV - a good > > portion > > > of magenta/violet or something. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:48 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > > I bought also a MA-60 and I must say I was disappointed. It seems > that > > the > > > > > > > > anonymously produced TDKs available in Europe (showing only an > address > > in > > > > Luxembourg) are not exactly the "real McCoy". The sound was OK, but > > the > > > > level of the recording was at least 2-3 dB lower than the input > > signal, > > > > while with the BASF (or I should actually say EMTEC) I had a > moment's > > > > worry > > > > that my source/tape switch was not working -:)). > > > > > > > > Nick, what is the commercial abbreviation of the Reference Metal > tapes > > you > > > > > > > > mention ? Is it MR ? I had a hard time in the shop asking for the > > > > "Reference > > > > Maxima" cassette, until I saw the TP-II logo and asked for it. The > > poor > > > > girl > > > > was just poking around aimlessly. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know any background/inside information on TDK's > European > > > > operation ? The quality is quite appalling compared to what I was > used > > to > > > > when we could still get the Made in Japan ones. I'm not saying they > > are > > > > complete garbage, but they're simply no longer what they used to be > - > > or > > > > the > > > > local distributors are simply bringing in fakes, made God knows > where. > > The > > > > > > > > French Sonys seem to suffer also from this problem, albeit to a > lesser > > > > degree. And there don't seem to be any Maxells in my country. > > > > > > > > At least EMTEC seem to be doing a very good job - and they are > > European > > ! > > > > -:))) > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: Igritski Nick > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:50:30 +0400 > > > > > > > > I concur with fellow Carlos! > > > > > > > > According to my experience, this cassette is nothing short, but > > amazingly > > > > excellent! Very good mechanism, very good tape, characterized by > the > > > > lowest > > > > "pause noise" level I've ever seen these days. I would also highly > > > > recommend > > > > their Reference Metal tapes. > > > > > > > > BTW, all my PROFESSIONAL calibration tapes are BASF. > > > > > > > > I don't know, what a specific technology do they use, but their > tapes > > are > > > > the ONLY ONES virtually NOT subjected to any kinds of WARPING I > > > > experienced > > > > with the majority of all other brands. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Carlos [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 1:43 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BASF Reference Maxima > > > > > > > > > > Probably is the same formula, because the ones I mentioned > before > > were > > > > not > > > > > available in retail stores. I bought them from BASF when we were > > their > > > > > reps > > > > > in Puerto Rico and my customers simply loved it ! > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the new generation of these tapes is far much better > than > > those > > > > > they > > > > > use to sell back in the 80's that were, for my opinion, no good. > > > > > > > > > > At this moment, when all brands has put away their interest in > > > > cassette > > > > > tape, BASF is one of the best available. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > > > Copytech Corporation > > > > > Puerto Rico > > > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Apr 10 13:17:13 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:17:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac 919 References: <20010410034929.176CD1DFB96@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001b01c0c1af$cc7aa080$8a05efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 Hi Kannan. Yes I did. I apologize for not thanking you earlier. It was very interesting. If you ever coome across an Akai GX-95/75 review I would be very interested. Kevin > Kevin Rogers wrote: > Kevin > few days I had sent the scanned copy of Tandberg review to your address. Did you receive it? > Incase you have not I will resend the same > Kannan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they > review the Akai GX-95? > > Kevin Rogers > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 14:10:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:10:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head - physical alignment. References: <200104100856.IAA27808@webpage.vsnl.net.in> Message-ID: <004801c0c1b7$635589a0$50289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan and Nick, Thanks much for your advise, I'll get one from parts express soon. Too bad Naoko won't accept inquiries anymore. In the US it cost $100++ ? :-( Also a slight correction, found out today that official tape width is 0.15 inch = 3.81 mm. If we substract Nak slot width of 3.75mm then it leaves 0.03 mm tape 'hanging' on both edges. Assuming my wrecked tape has that exact width, I would be off by 30 micron (about the thickness of a tape). I guess that's the best I can do without any test tapes. However, it looks like Nak rec head's slot is wider than that of pb head's ? Anybody ever spent his spare time staring at these heads ? :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > Sorry to intervene here( between you and Nick), the tape width is 4mm for cassette tapes. Secondly track alignment tape is extremely precise ( Nak' 1 Khz track alignment tape) and woth having - somehow! I happened to use this and I can say that immediately you will notice most of the tapes come to life. Probably Nick' idea of using Professional 3 Khz tape would be close to the track but not exact ( in micron level!) Do not try to adjust the head height by measurements - almost impossible. > Secondly the frequency response curve after adjustment with bias pots- First find out whether Bias oscillator is working fine, If you have a millivoltmeter measure the current on record head across the 10 Ohm resistor between record head and the ground. I had posted the approximate currents for different tape formulations earlier. It should measure 50 mV for ZX tape ( + or - 10 mV)and 8 -14 mV for normal tape. If you can not get this much bias current - do not send in any signal during this measurement. Your bias oscillator is not allright or bias trap is leaky. Hope I have given some directions! > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Apr 10 15:35:21 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:35:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II In-Reply-To: <001b01c0c1af$cc7aa080$8a05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. Is this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? Stan? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: Tue, April 10, 2001 6:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 Hi Kannan. Yes I did. I apologize for not thanking you earlier. It was very interesting. If you ever coome across an Akai GX-95/75 review I would be very interested. Kevin > Kevin Rogers wrote: > Kevin > few days I had sent the scanned copy of Tandberg review to your address. Did you receive it? > Incase you have not I will resend the same > Kannan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do they > review the Akai GX-95? > > Kevin Rogers > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 16:18:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:18:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: Message-ID: <000b01c0c1c9$1b00d300$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stan, In case you have a pdf I would be very interested to read that one too. Any comparison with other deck on that review ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. Is > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? > > Stan? > > -----Original Message----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 10 16:52:39 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:52:39 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426037@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Me too! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > Hi Stan, > > In case you have a pdf I would be very interested to read that one too. > Any comparison with other deck on that review ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. > Is > > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? > > > > Stan? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Apr 10 17:47:53 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:47:53 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Salim, BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far from cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE advantageous, that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape decks, I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't last long... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > Hi Nick, > > My question assumed that we *don't* have any 1k nor 3k test tape (yet). > :-) > Anyway, does anybody know width specification and tolerance of a tape ? > Exactly 3.750 mm ? > > Not that I really care about those mm fractions ... I was wondering if the > head is manufactured on such tight tolerance and let's say its slots > designed exactly as wide as a cassette tape - then isn't it true that in > practice we are trying to get the slots aligned exactly at tape width ? > > On the other hand, let's say I have a test tape that was produced / > recorded > with less tolerance than Nak head mfg. Using that test tape resulted in > an > offset of 0.3 mm between tape and pb head / slot (good test result + tape > edge a bit off). Which method would be 'better' ? > > Reason for my question .. is that I aligned my CR4 (years ago) using old > sony 'test tape', no measuring device, just headphones & meter (it played > pre-recorded tapes quite well afterwards) - and yesterday I noticed pb > head > is a bit too low on tape travel - edges don't meet. I was intrigued by > this > eye-aligned BX300, so I re-aligned CR to match tape width and now output > is > a bit higher & more balanced (although sonically I still like bx better). > > Well, you can also conclude that my hearing is not balanced ! But my > question would then be 'how to align pb head for unbalanced ear'. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > Salim, buddy, x'cuse my stupidity ;-), but I just don't get it, what are > you > > trying to do in the end: to theorize or to practically get your heads > > aligned? > > > > I told you how to proceed even in the absence of any measuring devices. > My > > advice is, naturally, no panacea, but it works very well in 80% of cases > > (BTW, my own ZX-7 has been among the other 20%). Do you really care > about > > observing all those fractions of millimeter? > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 19:21:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:21:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes they're a bit expensive. :-) Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, what's your opinion on this item: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for $20 ? Waste of money or somewhat usable ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > Salim, > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my > calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far from > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE advantageous, > that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape decks, > I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't last > long... > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Apr 10 19:38:53 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - another great find... Message-ID: <3f.1359f7b6.28049f2d@aol.com> FYI-You can purchase from these guys w/ confidence. I purchased a Studer around a year ago. Very nice folks & the deck was exactly as described. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcushemma at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 19:45:47 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:45:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head + Magnetised development solution References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426029@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Yes, it works! It is possible to make a coarse adjustment with demagnetized iron powder (zero cost), and fine adjustment with the solution. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dead head + Magnetised development solution > Guys, > > has anyone ever seen or used this Magnetized Development Solution? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:22 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > doesn't have any test or track alignment tape (like me :-), would > > it make > > > good approximation to visually align the head - so that it > > coincides with > > > tape edge / width ? > > > > > > Nakamichi Service Manual has the following statement after the > > recording head height/azimuth aligment procedure: > > > > Immerse the recorded tape in a magnetized developing solution. In > > turn, check to insure that the recording head tracks across the > > center are separated with a distance of 0.55 tp 0.75 mm (typically > > 0.65 mm) as illustrated (;-) > > note: > > Liquid for tape magnetized development solution > > "Magna-See, Sound Craft a product of CBS Recordings or equivalent". > > But with a worn out or electrically damaged head there is only one > > solution, look for a better/new one, i'm afraid. > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 10 19:57:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:57:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00d401c0c1e7$a70c9640$163442cf@sank1> I am certainly more hard to please than most, but I must say that I can't get myself to trust any non-Nak test tape except Teac's. We need to set up an "underground railway" for test tapes & Nak parts, I think. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes they're a bit expensive. :-) > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, what's your opinion on > this item: > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for $20 ? > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > Salim, > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my > > calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far from > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE advantageous, > > that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape > decks, > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't last > > long... > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 19:59:14 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:59:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - another great find... References: <3f.1359f7b6.28049f2d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AD349F2.B0372122@earthlink.net> Who are you referring to? I think you forgot to include the link. Thanks, Jim Volpatti BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > > FYI-You can purchase from these guys w/ confidence. I purchased a Studer > around a year ago. Very nice folks & the deck was exactly as described. > > Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) >Nick > >> >> Hi Stan, >> >> In case you have a pdf I would be very interested to read that one too. >> Any comparison with other deck on that review ? >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM >> >> >> > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. >> Is >> > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? >> > >> > Stan? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Tue Apr 10 20:04:54 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:04:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak on eBay In-Reply-To: <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010410140210.02369d80@mail.verizon.net> Good deal on a great deck: Listed in Pro Audio, in the music section as opposed to the consumer audio listings so the bidding hasn't gone very high. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421561345 Near closing. Hurry. ____________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 20:28:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:28:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426037@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002801c0c1ec$05894a20$44289bca@smarzuki> Hello Misha, Just to read how bad the deck is or was. :-) Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > Hey guys, shame on you! Akai desck are too bad to > talk about them in Naktalk :) Stephen will agree with me - > even their heads were designed with terrible mistakes. > Too bad for top of the line units. > > Misha > > PS: Will swap my "as new" A&D 7100 (Japan version of > GX-75mk2 with BETTER heads and electronics!) for any Nak. > > PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) > > >Nick > > > >> > >> Hi Stan, > >> > >> In case you have a pdf I would be very interested to read that one too. > >> Any comparison with other deck on that review ? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Salim SM > >> > >> > >> > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. > >> Is > >> > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? > >> > > >> > Stan? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Tue Apr 10 20:32:18 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:32:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - another great find... Message-ID: Opps. It was the place up in Canada that was selling the Revox that was referred in the last post-can't rember the poster. I don't have the link for the deck on e-Bay. Deleted it already. The place selling the deck is called Never Better Deals. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 20:42:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:42:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> <00d401c0c1e7$a70c9640$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002b01c0c1ed$fe8df520$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, I was referred to Nak HK by Naoko and from then on to a dealer in Singapore. He tried to get parts for me from Japan but was put on hold since he said that Nakamichi is moving its main office to Singapore - that was about a month ago or so. Extremely close to my home but I'm not sure whether that's good enough to get anything from Nak. Probably more on Soundspace thing, but I'll let you know once I hear from this rep. Although his business is more on supplying Nak cd changers to music stores (tower, hmmv etc) he has been quite helpful. Any Nakfellow in singapore ? Ah beng ? How's Klaus doing with Nak europe ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > I am certainly more hard to please than most, but I must say that I can't > get myself to trust any non-Nak test tape except Teac's. We need to set up > an "underground railway" for test tapes & Nak parts, I think. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes they're a bit expensive. > :-) > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, what's your opinion on > > this item: > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for $20 ? > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far from > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE > advantageous, > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape > > decks, > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't > last > > > long... > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 21:14:27 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:14:27 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: Hi Salim, There is no Nak Europe -:(((. However, www.nakamichiservice.co.uk seems to be quite good. Give them a try. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Salim Marzuki" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:42:28 +0700 Hi Stephen, I was referred to Nak HK by Naoko and from then on to a dealer in Singapore. He tried to get parts for me from Japan but was put on hold since he said that Nakamichi is moving its main office to Singapore - that was about a month ago or so. Extremely close to my home but I'm not sure whether that's good enough to get anything from Nak. Probably more on Soundspace thing, but I'll let you know once I hear from this rep. Although his business is more on supplying Nak cd changers to music stores (tower, hmmv etc) he has been quite helpful. Any Nakfellow in singapore ? Ah beng ? How's Klaus doing with Nak europe ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > I am certainly more hard to please than most, but I must say that I can't > get myself to trust any non-Nak test tape except Teac's. We need to set up > an "underground railway" for test tapes & Nak parts, I think. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes they're a bit expensive. > :-) > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, what's your opinion on > > this item: > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for $20 ? > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far from > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE > advantageous, > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape > > decks, > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't > last > > > long... > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 21:35:12 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dead head In-Reply-To: <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010410193512.18978.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the Metal bias version since I figured it would be less likely to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and from being left on top of power transformers and such. Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it was a joke. The background noise sounded like it was recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the cheapest portable deck you can think of and image test signals recorded on that. I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or that the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may be dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I got my Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this weekend. For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I already have. Scott J. --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, > what's your opinion on > this item: > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for > $20 ? > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > Salim, > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company > I purchased all my > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > equipment they are far from > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > that not to have. Taking into account the general > situation with tape > decks, > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of > those tapes wouldn't last > > long... > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki > [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 10 23:20:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:20:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <20010410193512.18978.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0c204$0b2b03c0$53289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Scott and Stephen for saving my $20. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the Metal > bias version since I figured it would be less likely > to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and from > being left on top of power transformers and such. > Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it was a > joke. The background noise sounded like it was > recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the cheapest > portable deck you can think of and image test signals > recorded on that. > > I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or that > the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may be > dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I got my > Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this weekend. > > For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I > already have. > > Scott J. > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, > > what's your opinion on > > this item: > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for > > $20 ? > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company > > I purchased all my > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > > equipment they are far from > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is > > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general > > situation with tape > > decks, > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of > > those tapes wouldn't last > > > long... > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Apr 10 23:44:14 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:44:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> <005101c0bbc1$b6fead80$f38ee2c3@a9u3z8> <051301c0bbdb$7f50af40$323442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001e01c0c207$6398ece0$cf8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hi, I was talking to one of the engineers at B & W today about the OMS 5 II & 7II laser. He told me that the OMS 3 & 4 used the same Sony laser. It would also be interesting to find out which of Sony's own CD players used it - for the purposes of future cannibalising to keep a 5II or 7II going. I'm going for the 7II. Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Having just a few weeks ago wired money to B&W for some discontinued 1000ZXL > chips, I can say that the price on the 5 is too high, but that in the 7II is > quite reasonable. I'd take that over an MB-2, but not over a CDPlayer2. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > Thanks. The two CD players available in the UK are through Bowers & > > Wilkins. They're asking £120 for the '5 and £140 for the '7II. Not sure > > what that is in US dollars. Could be worth taking the risk for the sound > > and build quality, particularly the seven. Would it sound better than the > > MB-2 Mk1, or are we splitting hairs here? The latter has dual 20 bit dacs > > with 8x oversampling, but I know that doesn't guarantee better sound. > > > > I've managed to find an ST-7, which I'm looking forward to receiving soon. > > > > Cheers, Sinclair. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, > that > > I > > > have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is > > > pretty remarkable. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II > on > > > the > > > > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > > > > > > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been > > > impossible > > > > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the older, > > and > > > > much > > > > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > > > > rational > > > > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series > units > > > > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the > > > laser, > > > > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the > > > possibility > > > > > of > > > > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But > > I've > > > > > heard > > > > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it > > fails. > > > > Is > > > > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & > rubber > > > > > > cleaning. > > > > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for > most > > > > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > > > > stripping > > > > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only > gets > > > tape > > > > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber > > surface > > > > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene > > > plastics(but > > > > > not > > > > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you > > shouldn't > > > > let > > > > > > it > > > > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed from > > > "head > > > > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more > > > expensive > > > > > than > > > > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store > and > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different > > alcohols > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the warnings > on > > > the > > > > > > label > > > > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape heads > > and > > > > it > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. > However, > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in > > advance > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 11 01:29:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:29:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak on eBay References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <5.0.0.25.2.20010410140210.02369d80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3AD39764.EACF3C97@concentric.net> Marc Stager wrote: > > Good deal on a great deck: > > Listed in Pro Audio, in the music section as opposed > to the consumer audio listings so the bidding hasn't gone very high. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421561345 > > Near closing. Hurry. > > ____________________ Marc Stager > Wow!!! A 582 'in very good condition' sold for $129 and change... Wish I'd caught it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 11 01:39:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:39:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <20010410193512.18978.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> <000b01c0c204$0b2b03c0$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AD399C9.CCA8C7D8@concentric.net> All this talk about test tapes started me thinking... My CR-7 came from Stephen, after full alignment, a short while ago. Since then it was used no more than maybe 20 - 30 hours. I think I'll just record a few minutes of 3 kHz square wave on a metal cassette. Should be good for head height and azimuth alignment, as well as speed. Will cost a lot less than $20. (Actually, zero. I have a Nakamichi ZX C-15 that I have no other use for...) -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks Scott and Stephen for saving my $20. :-) > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the Metal > > bias version since I figured it would be less likely > > to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and from > > being left on top of power transformers and such. > > Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it was a > > joke. The background noise sounded like it was > > recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the cheapest > > portable deck you can think of and image test signals > > recorded on that. > > > > I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or that > > the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may be > > dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I got my > > Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this weekend. > > > > For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I > > already have. > > > > Scott J. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > > > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, > > > what's your opinion on > > > this item: > > > > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for > > > $20 ? > > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company > > > I purchased all my > > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > > > equipment they are far from > > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is > > > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general > > > situation with tape > > > decks, > > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of > > > those tapes wouldn't last > > > > long... > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Wed Apr 11 02:31:45 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:31:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: Message-ID: <002901c0c21e$cacb4360$5406efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Hi Stan. Yes I'd love to get a copy of that review. Can you send it as a file? Kevin > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. Is > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? > > Stan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kevin Rogers > Sent: Tue, April 10, 2001 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > Hi Kannan. Yes I did. I apologize for not thanking you earlier. It was very > interesting. If you ever coome across an Akai GX-95/75 review I would be > very interested. > > Kevin > > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > Kevin > > few days I had sent the scanned copy of Tandberg review to your address. > Did you receive it? > > Incase you have not I will resend the same > > Kannan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac 919 > > > > Hi Kannan. Would it be possible to get a copy of the 3014A review? Do > they > > review the Akai GX-95? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Wed Apr 11 03:28:03 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:28:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426037@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II I'll take you up on that offer. I have a nice BX-100 with a brand new head. Send me your address and I'll ship it to you for the Akai. Kevin Rogers > Hey guys, shame on you! Akai desck are too bad to > talk about them in Naktalk :) Stephen will agree with me - > even their heads were designed with terrible mistakes. > Too bad for top of the line units. > > Misha > > PS: Will swap my "as new" A&D 7100 (Japan version of > GX-75mk2 with BETTER heads and electronics!) for any Nak. > > PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) > > >Nick > > > >> > >> Hi Stan, > >> > >> In case you have a pdf I would be very interested to read that one too. > >> Any comparison with other deck on that review ? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Salim SM > >> > >> > >> > I have HiFi Choice from October 1991. It has a review of Akai GX-95II. > >> Is > >> > this one of the decks you are looking for a review of? > >> > > >> > Stan? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 11 04:41:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:41:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426038@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001301c0c1e2$a3f6bd00$44289bca@smarzuki> <00d401c0c1e7$a70c9640$163442cf@sank1> <002b01c0c1ed$fe8df520$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <011101c0c230$eba5bc20$163442cf@sank1> Actually, I do have a 1000ZXL client in Singapore, so I'll contact him once you find out when that office is installed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > Hi Stephen, > > I was referred to Nak HK by Naoko and from then on to a dealer in Singapore. > He tried to get parts for me from Japan but was put on hold since he said > that Nakamichi is moving its main office to Singapore - that was about a > month ago or so. > > Extremely close to my home but I'm not sure whether that's good enough to > get anything from Nak. Probably more on Soundspace thing, but I'll let you > know once I hear from this rep. Although his business is more on supplying > Nak cd changers to music stores (tower, hmmv etc) he has been quite helpful. > Any Nakfellow in singapore ? Ah beng ? > > How's Klaus doing with Nak europe ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > I am certainly more hard to please than most, but I must say that I can't > > get myself to trust any non-Nak test tape except Teac's. We need to set > up > > an "underground railway" for test tapes & Nak parts, I think. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes they're a bit expensive. > > :-) > > > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, what's your opinion on > > > this item: > > > > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for $20 ? > > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company I purchased all my > > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional equipment they are far > from > > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is MUCH MORE > > advantageous, > > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general situation with tape > > > decks, > > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of those tapes wouldn't > > last > > > > long... > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 11 04:47:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:47:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <025801c0ba1b$8c4fd7a0$323442cf@sank1> <004c01c0ba20$79ca6140$658ee2c3@a9u3z8> <029a01c0ba4a$dd9eec20$323442cf@sank1> <002f01c0baff$b6bde920$d48ee2c3@a9u3z8> <03ec01c0bb13$45c9ce00$323442cf@sank1> <005101c0bbc1$b6fead80$f38ee2c3@a9u3z8> <051301c0bbdb$7f50af40$323442cf@sank1> <001e01c0c207$6398ece0$cf8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <012701c0c231$cbde3f60$163442cf@sank1> That thought hadn't struck me since they are such radically different mechanisms, but I am sure that it is correct that the OMS-3/4 use the same KSS-123A laser as the OMS-5II/7II. That's good, since 3's & 4's aren't worth much. They were 95 percent NEC units, and were pretty darn mediocre. Haven't yet been able to remember which Sony models used the same. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sinclair Forrest" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Hi, > > I was talking to one of the engineers at B & W today about the OMS 5 II & > 7II laser. He told me that the OMS 3 & 4 used the same Sony laser. It > would also be interesting to find out which of Sony's own CD players used > it - for the purposes of future cannibalising to keep a 5II or 7II going. > > I'm going for the 7II. > > Sinclair. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > Having just a few weeks ago wired money to B&W for some discontinued > 1000ZXL > > chips, I can say that the price on the 5 is too high, but that in the 7II > is > > quite reasonable. I'd take that over an MB-2, but not over a CDPlayer2. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > Thanks. The two CD players available in the UK are through Bowers & > > > Wilkins. They're asking �120 for the '5 and �140 for the '7II. Not > sure > > > what that is in US dollars. Could be worth taking the risk for the > sound > > > and build quality, particularly the seven. Would it sound better than > the > > > MB-2 Mk1, or are we splitting hairs here? The latter has dual 20 bit > dacs > > > with 8x oversampling, but I know that doesn't guarantee better sound. > > > > > > I've managed to find an ST-7, which I'm looking forward to receiving > soon. > > > > > > Cheers, Sinclair. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > I have absolutely no idea why Nak changed lasers. I can say, though, > > that > > > I > > > > have only seen one failure of the 7II's Sony laser as of yet, which is > > > > pretty remarkable. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 5:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. If I can negotiate the right price, I might go for the 7 II > > on > > > > the > > > > > basis of better sound and more facilities. > > > > > > > > > > Why did Nak change the laser on the II's? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:27 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the OMS-5AII & OMS-7AII laser, the Sony KSS-123A, has been > > > > impossible > > > > > > for me to find these days, while I am still able to find the > older, > > > and > > > > > much > > > > > > nicer, NEC laser of the OMS-5/7 original series. Not possible, in > > > > > rational > > > > > > terms, to make one fit the other. Too bad, since the II series > > units > > > > > > sounded considerably better. Transports are identical but for the > > > > laser, > > > > > > but the electronics have almost no commonalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:23 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I've used Isopropyl alcohol so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On another matter, the Nak OMS 5 & 7 CD players. I have the > > > > possibility > > > > > > of > > > > > > > getting a series one 5 or an OMS-7II for not a lot of cash. But > > > I've > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > that the laser on the Mark II's is impossible to replace if it > > > fails. > > > > > Is > > > > > > > this true, and if so is there any way round the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sinclair > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:48 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I exclusively use methyl ethyl ketone, MEK, for all head & > > rubber > > > > > > > cleaning. > > > > > > > > It's sold for about $10-15 per gallon(twenty years worth for > > most > > > > > > > > non-techs), and is unequalled for removing tape oxides, and at > > > > > stripping > > > > > > > > oxides & oxidized rubber from roller surfaces. Alcohol only > > gets > > > > tape > > > > > > > > oxides off(barely), leaving the undesirable oxidized rubber > > > surface > > > > > > > > untouched. Only hitches are that it will attack styrene > > > > plastics(but > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > nylons & ethylenes, so it's fine on Nak tape guides) & you > > > shouldn't > > > > > let > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > stay on your skin for long. Ever since CFC's were removed > from > > > > "head > > > > > > > > cleaning" solutions, they have mostly sucked & are far more > > > > expensive > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > MEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:35 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Basics 101 - cleaning solutions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was purchasing a connector from my local Radio Shack store > > and > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > their tape head cleaner. It is basically three different > > > alcohols > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > together. What grabbed my attention were all of the > warnings > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > label > > > > > > > > > regarding exposure (e.g. skin, eyes, nose). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While in the military, we used acetone to clean our tape > heads > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > great. I understand most people use regular alcohol. > > However, > > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > best solution to clean your tape heads with? Thank you in > > > advance > > > > > for > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 11 05:54:22 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:24:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues Message-ID: <20010411035422.6D3FB1DFBED@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 11 06:06:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:36:50 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dead head Message-ID: <20010411040650.704551DFBA8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 11 06:22:17 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:52:17 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dead head - alignment tapes! Message-ID: <20010411042217.B2DAB1DFB21@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Apr 11 06:45:41 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:45:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead head - alignment tapes! References: <20010411042217.B2DAB1DFB21@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AD3E166.AF67BF23@snet.net> Don't buy the MCM test tape... completely worthless with only exception being for getting speed set fairly close. Staggering amounts of print through, noise, and frequency modulation which renders all test tones above 10k totally useless. Furthermore, it is a four track track configured recording as opposed to the single track which would be far more ideal for setting azimuth. Even the channel balance is off by several db as is the record level which varies from tone to tone. I should note that all of these anomalies were observed with playback on a CR7A that Stephen had just completely aligned so it was most certainly the tape. Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > I also got a tape long time back from US - advertised on stereo review - Geneva is the company name ( my brother cursed that he had to shell out 25$ for a tape!. It was useful to measure frequency response / dolby level etc not any way useful for track alignment. MCM ( online catalogue is available ) has test CD and alignment tapes ( Metal/ chrome/ normal variety available) I think they cost 50$ and Nak test tape is worth double that cost. But I think Stephen can record a tape on 1000ZXL after calibration , I guess that would surpass these tapes . But I know Stephen with load of work on his shoulders might find this difficult. Carlos why don' you do this for a charge - if that is not bothering your work. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > > >Thanks Scott and Stephen for saving my $20. :-) > > > >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Johnson" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:35 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > >> I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the Metal > >> bias version since I figured it would be less likely > >> to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and from > >> being left on top of power transformers and such. > >> Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it was a > >> joke. The background noise sounded like it was > >> recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the cheapest > >> portable deck you can think of and image test signals > >> recorded on that. > >> > >> I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or that > >> the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may be > >> dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I got my > >> Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this weekend. > >> > >> For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I > >> already have. > >> > >> Scott J. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 11 07:59:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:59:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues References: <20010411035422.6D3FB1DFBED@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01a501c0c24c$9cd54720$163442cf@sank1> MCM Electronics still sells the KSS-152 for $27.50. I've only ever seen this model laser go bad in older Luxman cheap CD players. There are two parameters of practical importance in evaluating a laser pickup's health- optical power output & clarity/stability of the waveform coming out of the first stage of amplification(test point usually marked "RF", "HF", "EFM" or "EYE"). For the power output, you need a laser optical power meter, such as the Leader LPM-8000 or equivalent. A healthy KSS-152(or any Sony from #KSS-150 forward) is 0.1-0.15mW. The single pot on the pickup adjusts this level. The lower the output, the more errors produced, so low power level can affect sound quality somewhat before causing tracking problems.. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > Slightly off topic, My Denon DCD1400 uses Sony laser KSA152A with solid plug in connectors. How do you rate them if you have experience with this laser or player. Also where can I get this in US and when do you decide to change a laser in CD player? This machine must be around 10 -12 years of use! I have the service manual of this CD player ( Ofcourse it asks for laser current across two jumpers for judging laser' worthiness but Do we suspect laser on any functional symptoms eventhough player works?) Also one friend of mine told me that change of laser on a Maranz CD player vastly improved the sound! > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS-5/7 issues > > > >That thought hadn't struck me since they are such radically different > >mechanisms, but I am sure that it is correct that the OMS-3/4 use the same > >KSS-123A laser as the OMS-5II/7II. That's good, since 3's & 4's aren't > >worth much. They were 95 percent NEC units, and were pretty darn mediocre. > >Haven't yet been able to remember which Sony models used the same. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 11 08:56:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:56:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - another great find... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/10/2001 1:34:31 PM Central Daylight Time, BJGRADY at aol.com writes: << Opps. It was the place up in Canada that was selling the Revox that was referred in the last post-can't rember the poster. I don't have the link for the deck on e-Bay. Deleted it already. The place selling the deck is called Never Better Deals. Cal John. >> Hi All, I posted the link, here it is again if anyone is interested. -Sam (the bid price has increased significantly since my last post of this URL, but still a good buy for this deck in this condition) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228237224 Here's another one... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228481474 (good price on this one to) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1422833902 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 11 08:59:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:59:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I know some of you are very fond of this Nak Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228567513 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 11 09:05:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:05:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAK ZX-9 if anyone is interested Message-ID: <3b.130a692a.28055c48@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229303208 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Apr 11 12:11:30 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:11:30 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42603C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, it is pretty clear, that getting some original calibration tapes made directly by Nakamichi is every Nak-owner's dream. Noone calls it in question. The only question is: have you seen many of those Nak-tapes in the market? If they're widely available, but it's just me blind, who doesn't see them, then I beg pardon. At the time I was in great need of them, they were unavailable and, I believe, still are and what's more important - will be. Forced to solve this problem one way or another, I've finally found a company in NJ, where I purchased all my calibration tapes from. Like Stephen, I'm generally hard to please either, especially when it comes to precision or quality of instruments and parts. But... you know, I have not been disappointed by my choice even in the least! Very good product (BASF based), very good company, very nice people. Resume: if you can get your hands on "true" known good Nak-tapes, go for it. If not, contact me off-list and I'll tell where to get brand new, high-quality test tapes, although not Nak. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson [SMTP:p9019 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the Metal > bias version since I figured it would be less likely > to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and from > being left on top of power transformers and such. > Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it was a > joke. The background noise sounded like it was > recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the cheapest > portable deck you can think of and image test signals > recorded on that. > > I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or that > the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may be > dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I got my > Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this weekend. > > For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I > already have. > > Scott J. > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. Meantime, > > what's your opinion on > > this item: > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877 > &s > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 for > > $20 ? > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the company > > I purchased all my > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > > equipment they are far from > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them is > > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > > that not to have. Taking into account the general > > situation with tape > > decks, > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability of > > those tapes wouldn't last > > > long... > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Apr 11 21:46:42 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:46:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, I agree. But you will have to ship the unit to Kiev, Ukraine. Is it OK? Misha PS: Once I prefered BX-1 over TEAC 6030S - sonicaly better. AKAI is bad, beleive me :-) Glass ferrite heads makes harsh sound, someting similar to MD (not SO bad however). And glass ferrite heads has higher level of noise, plus specific flicker-noise. >I'll take you up on that offer. I have a nice BX-100 with a brand new head. >Send me your address and I'll ship it to you for the Akai. > >Kevin Rogers > > >> Hey guys, shame on you! Akai desck are too bad to >> talk about them in Naktalk :) Stephen will agree with me - >> even their heads were designed with terrible mistakes. >> Too bad for top of the line units. >> >> Misha >> >> PS: Will swap my "as new" A&D 7100 (Japan version of >> GX-75mk2 with BETTER heads and electronics!) for any Nak. >> >> PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 11 21:19:22 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:19:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited Message-ID: <003801c0c2bc$511143a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakkers, Just tried to 'upgrade' the 5220 opamp (equivalent to 4558 ?) on my Nak tck333es. No, it's another deck, I forgot the brand. :-) Lacking OP275 handy, I put in our beloved 072 JFET. No improvement heard ... but the funny part is that even without a cassete inside (deck in 'play' mode), noise floor is clearly increased ! Led light up to -30db (up to -20db) where normally only -40db lit on blank passages. Now what could possibly caused this ? Spec mismatch ? Put back the 5220 and noise is gone. Since our naks are filled mostly with 072, I wonder what effect that higher noise floor would have on Nak decks. As Misha (?) once sonically ranked 4558 / 4560 above 072, wouldn't this 4560 be a cheap tweak for 072 ridden decks ? (over here one OP 275 can buy sixteen 4558s). Guess the answer is a big no .... otherwise Nak would stick to its 4560. So what's the advantage of 072 anyway ? Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Apr 11 22:39:48 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:39:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <003801c0c2bc$511143a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, >Since our naks are filled mostly with 072, I wonder what effect that higher >noise floor would have on Nak decks. As Misha (?) once sonically ranked >4558 / 4560 above 072, No, my favorite Op-Amp is 2A3 or 300B transformer coupled ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 11 21:42:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:42:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <004a01c0c2bf$b13115a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Misha, I'll find out shipping cost from Indonesia if Kevin doesn't want to do it ... :-) :-) (my problem would be finding a good condition BX1). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > Hi Kevin, > > I agree. But you will have to ship the unit to Kiev, Ukraine. > Is it OK? > > Misha > > PS: Once I prefered BX-1 over TEAC 6030S - sonicaly better. > AKAI is bad, beleive me :-) Glass ferrite heads makes harsh > sound, someting similar to MD (not SO bad however). > And glass ferrite heads has higher level of noise, plus > specific flicker-noise. > > >I'll take you up on that offer. I have a nice BX-100 with a brand new head. > >Send me your address and I'll ship it to you for the Akai. > > > >Kevin Rogers > > > > > >> Hey guys, shame on you! Akai desck are too bad to > >> talk about them in Naktalk :) Stephen will agree with me - > >> even their heads were designed with terrible mistakes. > >> Too bad for top of the line units. > >> > >> Misha > >> > >> PS: Will swap my "as new" A&D 7100 (Japan version of > >> GX-75mk2 with BETTER heads and electronics!) for any Nak. > >> > >> PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 21:56:53 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dead head In-Reply-To: <3AD399C9.CCA8C7D8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010411195653.3296.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> I got curious and tested that $20 test tape I have and was quickly reminded at how bad it is. First thing I noticed was major print through. The second is, it says the test tones are recorded at -10dB. Not in my world! It more like -4dB. Third the test tones are suppose to be pure low distortion sine waves, but, when you listen to them you can immediately tell that they are not pure at all. There are several other things going on that will mess up FR measurements. As for azimuth, it's about a quarter turn off from my Nakamichi 15kHz azimuth test tape. I didn't get around to checking the tape speed, but, I would suspect it's less than perfect as well. My tape came from Electronix, but, it looks exactly like the Omega tape on the Parts Express web site. Nick, I am interested in where you get your BASF tapes and how much they cost. Also who wouldn't be interested in paying at least $20 for a test tape produced by Stephen on a 1000ZXL after being cleaned, aligned, tweaked, blessed and Sanktified by the master himself. (Sorry Stephen, I just couldn't resist.) Scott J --- Ron wrote: > > All this talk about test tapes started me > thinking... > > My CR-7 came from Stephen, after full alignment, a > short while ago. Since then it was used no more than > maybe 20 - 30 hours. I think I'll just record a few > minutes of 3 kHz square wave on a metal cassette. > Should be good for head height and azimuth > alignment, > as well as speed. Will cost a lot less than $20. > (Actually, zero. I have a Nakamichi ZX C-15 that I > have no other use for...) > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Thanks Scott and Stephen for saving my $20. :-) > > > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the > Metal > > > bias version since I figured it would be less > likely > > > to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and > from > > > being left on top of power transformers and > such. > > > Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it > was a > > > joke. The background noise sounded like it was > > > recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the > cheapest > > > portable deck you can think of and image test > signals > > > recorded on that. > > > > > > I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or > that > > > the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may > be > > > dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I > got my > > > Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this > weekend. > > > > > > For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes > I > > > already have. > > > > > > Scott J. > > > --- Salim Marzuki > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > > > > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > > > > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. > Meantime, > > > > what's your opinion on > > > > this item: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > > > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order > #515-010 for > > > > $20 ? > > > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the > company > > > > I purchased all my > > > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > > > > equipment they are far from > > > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have > them is > > > > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > > > > that not to have. Taking into account the > general > > > > situation with tape > > > > decks, > > > > > I would not be surprised, if the > availability of > > > > those tapes wouldn't last > > > > > long... > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Apr 11 23:03:30 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:03:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <004a01c0c2bf$b13115a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Actualy I prefer older Naks - especialy I like 600II from the first generation (700 and 1000 will be too heavy to ship overseas), or any other deck from second generation - with the "real Nak transport". I had so many BX'es - all except 300, so I don't realy want one more ;) But I defenitely prefer _any_ Nak in a good shape over any Akai. Misha CR-4, 1000II, ZX-7 on the way, and many more... PS: Couple of Black Gates Heart of Muse 2x100,0x500 for my current 300B project will be nice trade as well ;-) >Hi Misha, > >I'll find out shipping cost from Indonesia if Kevin doesn't want to do it >... :-) :-) >(my problem would be finding a good condition BX1). > >Cheers, >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Thu Apr 12 02:17:16 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:17:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <006901c0c2e5$ef5b20c0$2005efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Hi Misha. That's ok. Send me your address. You can contact me off list at ktrogers at execulink.com Kevin > Hi Kevin, > > I agree. But you will have to ship the unit to Kiev, Ukraine. > Is it OK? > > Misha > > PS: Once I prefered BX-1 over TEAC 6030S - sonicaly better. > AKAI is bad, beleive me :-) Glass ferrite heads makes harsh > sound, someting similar to MD (not SO bad however). > And glass ferrite heads has higher level of noise, plus > specific flicker-noise. > > >I'll take you up on that offer. I have a nice BX-100 with a brand new head. > >Send me your address and I'll ship it to you for the Akai. > > > >Kevin Rogers > > > > > >> Hey guys, shame on you! Akai desck are too bad to > >> talk about them in Naktalk :) Stephen will agree with me - > >> even their heads were designed with terrible mistakes. > >> Too bad for top of the line units. > >> > >> Misha > >> > >> PS: Will swap my "as new" A&D 7100 (Japan version of > >> GX-75mk2 with BETTER heads and electronics!) for any Nak. > >> > >> PPS: I've seen those "things" inside - couldn't sleep for a while ;-) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 12 02:37:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:37:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <003801c0c2bc$511143a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <027f01c0c2e8$cd33d020$163442cf@sank1> The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's no surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as the 5220, so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You won't regret it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > Hi Nakkers, > > Just tried to 'upgrade' the 5220 opamp (equivalent to 4558 ?) on my Nak > tck333es. No, it's another deck, I forgot the brand. :-) > > Lacking OP275 handy, I put in our beloved 072 JFET. No improvement heard > ... but the funny part is that even without a cassete inside (deck in 'play' > mode), noise floor is clearly increased ! Led light up to -30db (up > to -20db) where normally only -40db lit on blank passages. Now what could > possibly caused this ? Spec mismatch ? Put back the 5220 and noise is > gone. > > Since our naks are filled mostly with 072, I wonder what effect that higher > noise floor would have on Nak decks. As Misha (?) once sonically ranked > 4558 / 4560 above 072, wouldn't this 4560 be a cheap tweak for 072 ridden > decks ? (over here one OP 275 can buy sixteen 4558s). Guess the answer is > a big no .... otherwise Nak would stick to its 4560. So what's the > advantage of 072 anyway ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Apr 12 04:09:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:09:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <003801c0c2bc$511143a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> <027f01c0c2e8$cd33d020$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AD50E40.E331EF1F@concentric.net> I have a sneaking suspicion that Nak used selected 072s ICs. IIRC, the 072 is not even rated for noise, yet Nak used them as head amplifier, no less. I also assume that they were selected for low distortion. Stephen, Jeff -- you are both close to the horse's mouth. Does this make sense to you? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's no > surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as the 5220, > so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You won't regret > it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > > > > Hi Nakkers, > > > > Just tried to 'upgrade' the 5220 opamp (equivalent to 4558 ?) on my Nak > > tck333es. No, it's another deck, I forgot the brand. :-) > > > > Lacking OP275 handy, I put in our beloved 072 JFET. No improvement heard > > ... but the funny part is that even without a cassete inside (deck in > 'play' > > mode), noise floor is clearly increased ! Led light up to -30db (up > > to -20db) where normally only -40db lit on blank passages. Now what could > > possibly caused this ? Spec mismatch ? Put back the 5220 and noise is > > gone. > > > > Since our naks are filled mostly with 072, I wonder what effect that > higher > > noise floor would have on Nak decks. As Misha (?) once sonically ranked > > 4558 / 4560 above 072, wouldn't this 4560 be a cheap tweak for 072 ridden > > decks ? (over here one OP 275 can buy sixteen 4558s). Guess the answer > is > > a big no .... otherwise Nak would stick to its 4560. So what's the > > advantage of 072 anyway ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 12 04:04:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:04:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <003801c0c2bc$511143a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> <027f01c0c2e8$cd33d020$163442cf@sank1> <3AD50E40.E331EF1F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <02fc01c0c2f4$f0616f60$163442cf@sank1> The TL072 is designated "low noise", but that's relative to other opamps designed in the '70's. In Naks, a TL072 is never used without one or two JFET's in front of it as the first stage in the gain loop, thereby reducing the effective noise figure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > I have a sneaking suspicion that Nak used selected > 072s ICs. IIRC, the 072 is not even rated for noise, > yet Nak used them as head amplifier, no less. I also > assume that they were selected for low distortion. > > Stephen, Jeff -- you are both close to the horse's > mouth. Does this make sense to you? > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's no > > surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as the 5220, > > so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You won't regret > > it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:19 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > > > > > > > Hi Nakkers, > > > > > > Just tried to 'upgrade' the 5220 opamp (equivalent to 4558 ?) on my Nak > > > tck333es. No, it's another deck, I forgot the brand. :-) > > > > > > Lacking OP275 handy, I put in our beloved 072 JFET. No improvement heard > > > ... but the funny part is that even without a cassete inside (deck in > > 'play' > > > mode), noise floor is clearly increased ! Led light up to -30db (up > > > to -20db) where normally only -40db lit on blank passages. Now what could > > > possibly caused this ? Spec mismatch ? Put back the 5220 and noise is > > > gone. > > > > > > Since our naks are filled mostly with 072, I wonder what effect that > > higher > > > noise floor would have on Nak decks. As Misha (?) once sonically ranked > > > 4558 / 4560 above 072, wouldn't this 4560 be a cheap tweak for 072 ridden > > > decks ? (over here one OP 275 can buy sixteen 4558s). Guess the answer > > is > > > a big no .... otherwise Nak would stick to its 4560. So what's the > > > advantage of 072 anyway ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 12 10:11:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:11:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <20010412032129.AA7341DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0c328$1f3d67c0$093442cf@sank1> The OP275 has more than enough output current ability to replace the NJM2043 record amp IC(which is a "high current" 4558 type). It works very well in that position. I mention this for the benefit of the group, since I believe you & I had this discussion previously, if I recall correctly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > As Ron pointed out earlier, opamp switch ( FET input inplace of Bipolar - ie TLO72 in place of 45xx series bipolar Opamp) is not universal.Circuit configuration / signal level and input impedance etc matters even though mostly switch will work. > Nak' first stage playback amp ( in Dragon for example) I had replaced OP275 in place of TLO72 and this had definitely improved the sound - Lower Distortion and clean hi end. Noise floor does not seem to be affected as JFET discrete amp(2Sk170)input from play back head had taken care of that. > I am yet to try that on record amplifiers. In fact I had done this firstly on my BX300. > Guys anybody interested in this BX300. I am willing to part with it for 230 USD! > It is cosmetically nice and I had aligned the head/tuned the record amp/ calibrated the meter and play amp etc. > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > > >The TL072 is designated "low noise", but that's relative to other opamps > >designed in the '70's. In Naks, a TL072 is never used without one or two > >JFET's in front of it as the first stage in the gain loop, thereby reducing > >the effective noise figure. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron" > >To: > >> I have a sneaking suspicion that Nak used selected > >> 072s ICs. IIRC, the 072 is not even rated for noise, > >> yet Nak used them as head amplifier, no less. I also > >> assume that they were selected for low distortion. > >> > >> Stephen, Jeff -- you are both close to the horse's > >> mouth. Does this make sense to you? > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > >> > The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's no > >> > surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as the > >5220, > >> > so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You won't > >regret > >> > it. > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 12 13:19:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:19:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <20010412032129.AA7341DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> <000f01c0c328$1f3d67c0$093442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001c01c0c342$8834e680$43289bca@smarzuki> To the guy who never sleeps .... Stephen, I was ONE day late from getting a gorgeous looking 1000zxl in my room - for less than $400. That local shop is the nearest audio 'kiosk' to my house (where I bought my 120B) ... I am so mad at him. You know what he said ? "I thought you were still looking for a zx9". Damn ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > The OP275 has more than enough output current ability to replace the NJM2043 > record amp IC(which is a "high current" 4558 type). It works very well in > that position. > I mention this for the benefit of the group, since I believe you & I had > this discussion previously, if I recall correctly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > > > As Ron pointed out earlier, opamp switch ( FET input inplace of Bipolar - > ie TLO72 in place of 45xx series bipolar Opamp) is not universal.Circuit > configuration / signal level and input impedance etc matters even though > mostly switch will work. > > Nak' first stage playback amp ( in Dragon for example) I had replaced > OP275 in place of TLO72 and this had definitely improved the sound - Lower > Distortion and clean hi end. Noise floor does not seem to be affected as > JFET discrete amp(2Sk170)input from play back head had taken care of that. > > I am yet to try that on record amplifiers. In fact I had done this firstly > on my BX300. > > Guys anybody interested in this BX300. I am willing to part with it for > 230 USD! > > It is cosmetically nice and I had aligned the head/tuned the record amp/ > calibrated the meter and play amp etc. > > Kannan > > > > ----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > >The TL072 is designated "low noise", but that's relative to other opamps > > >designed in the '70's. In Naks, a TL072 is never used without one or two > > >JFET's in front of it as the first stage in the gain loop, thereby > reducing > > >the effective noise figure. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Ron" > > >To: > > >> I have a sneaking suspicion that Nak used selected > > >> 072s ICs. IIRC, the 072 is not even rated for noise, > > >> yet Nak used them as head amplifier, no less. I also > > >> assume that they were selected for low distortion. > > >> > > >> Stephen, Jeff -- you are both close to the horse's > > >> mouth. Does this make sense to you? > > >> > > >> -- Ron > > >> > > >> > > >> Stephen Sank wrote: > > >> > > > >> > The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's no > > >> > surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as > the > > >5220, > > >> > so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You won't > > >regret > > >> > it. > > >> > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Apr 12 21:13:51 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:13:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <006901c0c2e5$ef5b20c0$2005efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, I run across the problem - shipping my A&D (10 kilogram) to States will cost me around 300USD. Guess what? I realy do not want to buy any BX for such kind of money :( However, if you will ring my dor - A&D yours. But I will not ship it - TOO expencive. Sorry. Misha PS: Please understand, I'm not trying to take my offer back, but I can do nothing with it. Maybe someone closer want to trade? Nick? >Hi Misha. That's ok. Send me your address. You can contact me off list at >ktrogers at execulink.com > >Kevin ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Thu Apr 12 20:33:53 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:33:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Message-ID: Hello fellow naktalkers! Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on older naks, or even other brands? I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to the head with epoxy. Any ideas? Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 12 21:39:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:39:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <20010412032129.AA7341DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> <000f01c0c328$1f3d67c0$093442cf@sank1> <001c01c0c342$8834e680$43289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <005b01c0c388$4e5166a0$093442cf@sank1> I think we'll need to put you on "suicide watch" for a while until you get over that. You'd have to do the same for me if I had missed a ZXL for $400! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > To the guy who never sleeps .... > > Stephen, I was ONE day late from getting a gorgeous looking 1000zxl in my > room - for less than $400. That local shop is the nearest audio 'kiosk' to > my house (where I bought my 120B) ... I am so mad at him. You know what he > said ? "I thought you were still looking for a zx9". Damn ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > > > The OP275 has more than enough output current ability to replace the > NJM2043 > > record amp IC(which is a "high current" 4558 type). It works very well in > > that position. > > I mention this for the benefit of the group, since I believe you & I had > > this discussion previously, if I recall correctly. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Op amp revisited > > > > > > > As Ron pointed out earlier, opamp switch ( FET input inplace of > Bipolar - > > ie TLO72 in place of 45xx series bipolar Opamp) is not universal.Circuit > > configuration / signal level and input impedance etc matters even though > > mostly switch will work. > > > Nak' first stage playback amp ( in Dragon for example) I had replaced > > OP275 in place of TLO72 and this had definitely improved the sound - Lower > > Distortion and clean hi end. Noise floor does not seem to be affected as > > JFET discrete amp(2Sk170)input from play back head had taken care of that. > > > I am yet to try that on record amplifiers. In fact I had done this > firstly > > on my BX300. > > > Guys anybody interested in this BX300. I am willing to part with it for > > 230 USD! > > > It is cosmetically nice and I had aligned the head/tuned the record > amp/ > > calibrated the meter and play amp etc. > > > Kannan > > > > > > ----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > >The TL072 is designated "low noise", but that's relative to other > opamps > > > >designed in the '70's. In Naks, a TL072 is never used without one or > two > > > >JFET's in front of it as the first stage in the gain loop, thereby > > reducing > > > >the effective noise figure. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Ron" > > > >To: > > > >> I have a sneaking suspicion that Nak used selected > > > >> 072s ICs. IIRC, the 072 is not even rated for noise, > > > >> yet Nak used them as head amplifier, no less. I also > > > >> assume that they were selected for low distortion. > > > >> > > > >> Stephen, Jeff -- you are both close to the horse's > > > >> mouth. Does this make sense to you? > > > >> > > > >> -- Ron > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Stephen Sank wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > The M5220 is a low-noise version of the M5218 equivalent, so it's > no > > > >> > surprise to find a TL072 much noisier. The 4560 is not as good as > > the > > > >5220, > > > >> > so I wouldn't bother trying it. Spend the cash on OP275. You > won't > > > >regret > > > >> > it. > > > >> > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 12 23:15:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:15:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: Message-ID: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Marcus, I put one on my Nak, er, sony 333es deck and it worked wonderfully ! I made that one from a thin but rigid metalsheet and after only three trials and several hours I got one that barely resembles Nak lifter but functioned well (also a clamp-on with no epoxy). I tried another one from plastic which came as head 'protector' if you buy head parts - but it was too thick and sometimes can get jammed on the shell opening. Anyway this plastic lifter fit right in on my Nak cr7, er, akai gx7. As my initial purpose is to avoid early head wear, I don't use lifter on that extra hard glass head anymore. If you plan to use it on other brand, a better bet would be using lifter made for (older) 2 head Naks i.e. 480, LX3, because of the universal / wider head size. Kind of amazing to see Nak pull this trick on a DR3 - if I'm not mistaken - 2 head single capstan with pad lifter ! Even my dual capstan Denon 710 could not achieve strong enough tape pressure to play it right. I think even BX150 failed when I put this lifter on it. One more thing, I need to 'finetune' non-nak's supply roller pressure to make the lifter work. Don't have any pressure gage but I'm happy as long as tape is still ends up in one piece. Sorry for the long story, Salim SM PS: Before I get another flame ... all those decks mentioned above are already gone gone gone and have been reincarnated as 660zx etc (with the exception of sony es :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hello fellow naktalkers! Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on older naks, or even other brands? I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to the head with epoxy. Any ideas? Marcus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 12 23:14:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:14:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <006901c0c2e5$ef5b20c0$2005efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <00ba01c0c395$b4c61e00$f81a9bca@smarzuki> Misha, What about Indonesia ? :-) Just pulling your leg here. I understand how difficult for "rest of us" to be able to see US ebay stuff and bite the high shipping cost. Sending a small and light tuner (bought at $90) using UPS' lowest rate costs $140 ! I'm sure nobody in their right mind would do that, unless the item's price is at least twice shipping cost. So I guess Nick would be the lucky one to have that high distortion deck. :-) :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > Hi Kevin, > > I run across the problem - shipping my A&D (10 kilogram) to States will > cost me around 300USD. Guess what? I realy do not want to buy any > BX for such kind of money :( > However, if you will ring my dor - A&D yours. > But I will not ship it - TOO expencive. Sorry. > > Misha > > PS: Please understand, I'm not trying to take my offer back, > but I can do nothing with it. Maybe someone closer want > to trade? Nick? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Fri Apr 13 01:39:58 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:39:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <006901c0c2e5$ef5b20c0$2005efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <004601c0c3a9$e3b8c3c0$8a06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Hi Misha. I understand. No problem. Would you be willing to sell the wireless remote unit? I need one for my GX-95. I would pay a good price plus shippping. Kevin > Hi Kevin, > > I run across the problem - shipping my A&D (10 kilogram) to States will > cost me around 300USD. Guess what? I realy do not want to buy any > BX for such kind of money :( > However, if you will ring my dor - A&D yours. > But I will not ship it - TOO expencive. Sorry. > > Misha > > PS: Please understand, I'm not trying to take my offer back, > but I can do nothing with it. Maybe someone closer want > to trade? Nick? > > >Hi Misha. That's ok. Send me your address. You can contact me off list at > >ktrogers at execulink.com > > > >Kevin > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 13 07:14:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:44:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited Message-ID: <20010413051434.44B961DFB69@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 13 08:25:16 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:25:16 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426050@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > Misha, > > What about Indonesia ? :-) Just pulling your leg here. > > I understand how difficult for "rest of us" to be able to see US ebay > stuff > and bite the high shipping cost. Sending a small and light tuner (bought > at > $90) using UPS' lowest rate costs $140 ! I'm sure nobody in their right > mind would do that, unless the item's price is at least twice shipping > cost. > So I guess Nick would be the lucky one to have that high distortion deck. > :-) :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > I run across the problem - shipping my A&D (10 kilogram) to States will > > cost me around 300USD. Guess what? I realy do not want to buy any > > BX for such kind of money :( > > However, if you will ring my dor - A&D yours. > > But I will not ship it - TOO expencive. Sorry. > > > > Misha > > > > PS: Please understand, I'm not trying to take my offer back, > > but I can do nothing with it. Maybe someone closer want > > to trade? Nick? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 12:13:54 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:13:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Interesting story Salim! My first thought was to remove the pad from the cassette, but from Yr experience it is clear that even some "good" machines will not play such cassettes. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hi Marcus, I put one on my Nak, er, sony 333es deck and it worked wonderfully ! I made that one from a thin but rigid metalsheet and after only three trials and several hours I got one that barely resembles Nak lifter but functioned well (also a clamp-on with no epoxy). I tried another one from plastic which came as head 'protector' if you buy head parts - but it was too thick and sometimes can get jammed on the shell opening. Anyway this plastic lifter fit right in on my Nak cr7, er, akai gx7. As my initial purpose is to avoid early head wear, I don't use lifter on that extra hard glass head anymore. If you plan to use it on other brand, a better bet would be using lifter made for (older) 2 head Naks i.e. 480, LX3, because of the universal / wider head size. Kind of amazing to see Nak pull this trick on a DR3 - if I'm not mistaken - 2 head single capstan with pad lifter ! Even my dual capstan Denon 710 could not achieve strong enough tape pressure to play it right. I think even BX150 failed when I put this lifter on it. One more thing, I need to 'finetune' non-nak's supply roller pressure to make the lifter work. Don't have any pressure gage but I'm happy as long as tape is still ends up in one piece. Sorry for the long story, Salim SM PS: Before I get another flame ... all those decks mentioned above are already gone gone gone and have been reincarnated as 660zx etc (with the exception of sony es :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hello fellow naktalkers! Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on older naks, or even other brands? I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to the head with epoxy. Any ideas? Marcus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Naks totaly different story, however you may get luck and shipping will be much less. Oh, sometime I have an oportunity to get some equipment from States (my friend helps me) but it takes sooooooo much time... BTW Carlos, thanks! I finaly got yours deck - so it took more than year! :( So, we are here, Naklovers, have to develop some kind of teleportation device for sending our Naks all around the world - and Stepen will get more business ;-) "No Akais allowed" :-) Misha >What about Indonesia ? :-) Just pulling your leg here. > >I understand how difficult for "rest of us" to be able to see US ebay stuff >and bite the high shipping cost. Sending a small and light tuner (bought at >$90) using UPS' lowest rate costs $140 ! I'm sure nobody in their right >mind would do that, unless the item's price is at least twice shipping cost. >So I guess Nick would be the lucky one to have that high distortion deck. >:-) :-) > >Cheers, >Salim SM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Mironov" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:13 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> I run across the problem - shipping my A&D (10 kilogram) to States will >> cost me around 300USD. Guess what? I realy do not want to buy any >> BX for such kind of money :( >> However, if you will ring my dor - A&D yours. >> But I will not ship it - TOO expencive. Sorry. >> >> Misha >> >> PS: Please understand, I'm not trying to take my offer back, >> but I can do nothing with it. Maybe someone closer want >> to trade? Nick? >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 13 15:52:11 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:52:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <004601c0c3a9$e3b8c3c0$8a06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, I have no remote. However, I may take a look on my friend's storage room - if there will be any (he had GX-65 while ago) I'll let you know. Misha >Hi Misha. I understand. No problem. Would you be willing to sell the >wireless remote unit? I need one for my GX-95. I would pay a good price plus >shippping. > >Kevin ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 13 15:56:07 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:56:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426050@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, No way! My A&D better than yours Akai ;-)))) Misha >No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up >garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... > >Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Apr 13 15:10:45 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:10:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <00ba01c0c395$b4c61e00$f81a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c0c41b$26eb74a0$b02f2ac4@coqui.net> Jesus Christ ! I hope it did arrived in one piece ! I was wondering whether you ever got it or not ! Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > BTW Carlos, thanks! I finaly got yours deck - so it took more than year! :( > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Apr 13 15:28:21 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:28:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Op amp revisited References: <20010413051434.44B961DFB69@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <006501c0c41d$9c817780$b02f2ac4@coqui.net> > Carlos how is your newly acquired 1000 ZXl sounding having Saktified recently > Kannan > Well, it's doing fine. I got this unit in box from an estate in Florida for $500.00 absolutely new. The widow testified that her husband bought it in Japan, probably that's why you can switch between 120 and 220 volts with a button's flip, she said that the man never recorded a full C-90 tape. She also sold an almost new Klipshorns for $850.00 !!!!!!!!! Well, that's life. Already received an offer from a friend in Japan for $1,500 but I don't think it'll go anywhere, at least by now. Now the turn is for the 700 ZXl, hopefully I will obtain the same results. Yeah, Dr. Sank operated on this machine and did some mods. It sounds, good. Thanks for the parts source ! Best, Carlos, The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 13 15:35:20 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:35:20 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42605B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Dear Misha, with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing Akai left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. It's not funny anymore. Nick P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's limit. > -----Original Message----- > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:56 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > Hi Nick, > > No way! My A&D better than yours Akai ;-)))) > > Misha > > >No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up > >garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... > > > >Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 13 16:40:19 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:40:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <002101c0c41b$26eb74a0$b02f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: Oh, everything works fine! But it was realy loooong trip - almost around the world. Thanks! Misha >Jesus Christ ! I hope it did arrived in one piece ! I was wondering whether >you ever got it or not ! > >Best, > >Carlos J. Guzman-President >Copytech Corporation >Puerto Rico >copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hi Marcus, I put one on my Nak, er, sony 333es deck and it worked wonderfully ! I made that one from a thin but rigid metalsheet and after only three trials and several hours I got one that barely resembles Nak lifter but functioned well (also a clamp-on with no epoxy). I tried another one from plastic which came as head 'protector' if you buy head parts - but it was too thick and sometimes can get jammed on the shell opening. Anyway this plastic lifter fit right in on my Nak cr7, er, akai gx7. As my initial purpose is to avoid early head wear, I don't use lifter on that extra hard glass head anymore. If you plan to use it on other brand, a better bet would be using lifter made for (older) 2 head Naks i.e. 480, LX3, because of the universal / wider head size. Kind of amazing to see Nak pull this trick on a DR3 - if I'm not mistaken - 2 head single capstan with pad lifter ! Even my dual capstan Denon 710 could not achieve strong enough tape pressure to play it right. I think even BX150 failed when I put this lifter on it. One more thing, I need to 'finetune' non-nak's supply roller pressure to make the lifter work. Don't have any pressure gage but I'm happy as long as tape is still ends up in one piece. Sorry for the long story, Salim SM PS: Before I get another flame ... all those decks mentioned above are already gone gone gone and have been reincarnated as 660zx etc (with the exception of sony es :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hello fellow naktalkers! Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on older naks, or even other brands? I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to the head with epoxy. Any ideas? Marcus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 16:54:47 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:54:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim! Did You experience any improvment in the sound quality due to possibly lower flutter? M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hi Marcus, So clumsy of me - of course that would be the easiest way to find out which deck is padlifter-able ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Interesting story Salim! My first thought was to remove the pad from the cassette, but from Yr experience it is clear that even some "good" machines will not play such cassettes. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hi Marcus, I put one on my Nak, er, sony 333es deck and it worked wonderfully ! I made that one from a thin but rigid metalsheet and after only three trials and several hours I got one that barely resembles Nak lifter but functioned well (also a clamp-on with no epoxy). I tried another one from plastic which came as head 'protector' if you buy head parts - but it was too thick and sometimes can get jammed on the shell opening. Anyway this plastic lifter fit right in on my Nak cr7, er, akai gx7. As my initial purpose is to avoid early head wear, I don't use lifter on that extra hard glass head anymore. If you plan to use it on other brand, a better bet would be using lifter made for (older) 2 head Naks i.e. 480, LX3, because of the universal / wider head size. Kind of amazing to see Nak pull this trick on a DR3 - if I'm not mistaken - 2 head single capstan with pad lifter ! Even my dual capstan Denon 710 could not achieve strong enough tape pressure to play it right. I think even BX150 failed when I put this lifter on it. One more thing, I need to 'finetune' non-nak's supply roller pressure to make the lifter work. Don't have any pressure gage but I'm happy as long as tape is still ends up in one piece. Sorry for the long story, Salim SM PS: Before I get another flame ... all those decks mentioned above are already gone gone gone and have been reincarnated as 660zx etc (with the exception of sony es :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS Hello fellow naktalkers! Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on older naks, or even other brands? I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to the head with epoxy. Any ideas? Marcus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function of tape reel diameter and will change during play. Second, my only cassette deck design experience was with a Raymond Engineering professional tape drive (dual capstan, three motors, solenoid control), that I modified to run at 0.08 ips (C-120 ran for 24 hours). I tested with no pads (I already owned a Nak 700 at that point in time), but rejected the idea, because it loused up the response. While I could have probably fixed it, my R&D team all agreed that performance was already optimized with pad lifters in place and it was highly unlikely we could improve it. While we never tested this assumption, I still feel it was a wise one. -- Ron Marcus Rosén wrote: > > Salim! > Did You experience any improvment in the sound quality due to possibly lower flutter? > M. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > Hi Marcus, > > So clumsy of me - of course that would be the easiest way to find out which > deck is padlifter-able ! > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Rosén" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > Interesting story Salim! > My first thought was to remove the pad from the cassette, but from Yr > experience it is clear that even some "good" machines will not play such > cassettes. > Marcus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > Hi Marcus, > > I put one on my Nak, er, sony 333es deck and it worked wonderfully ! I made > that one from a thin but rigid metalsheet and after only three trials and > several hours I got one that barely resembles Nak lifter but functioned well > (also a clamp-on with no epoxy). I tried another one from plastic which > came as head 'protector' if you buy head parts - but it was too thick and > sometimes can get jammed on the shell opening. Anyway this plastic lifter > fit right in on my Nak cr7, er, akai gx7. As my initial purpose is to avoid > early head wear, I don't use lifter on that extra hard glass head anymore. > > If you plan to use it on other brand, a better bet would be using lifter > made for (older) 2 head Naks i.e. 480, LX3, because of the universal / wider > head size. Kind of amazing to see Nak pull this trick on a DR3 - if I'm not > mistaken - 2 head single capstan with pad lifter ! Even my dual capstan > Denon 710 could not achieve strong enough tape pressure to play it right. I > think even BX150 failed when I put this lifter on it. > > One more thing, I need to 'finetune' non-nak's supply roller pressure to > make the lifter work. Don't have any pressure gage but I'm happy as long as > tape is still ends up in one piece. > > Sorry for the long story, > Salim SM > > PS: Before I get another flame ... all those decks mentioned above are > already gone gone gone and have been reincarnated as 660zx etc (with the > exception of sony es :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Rosén" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:33 AM > Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > Hello fellow naktalkers! > Does anyone in the group have experience from retrofitting padlifters on > older naks, or even other brands? > I guess it would be feasible to make something in plastic, and attatch it to > the head with epoxy. > Any ideas? > > Marcus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Fri Apr 13 20:06:27 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:06:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <004601c0c3a9$e3b8c3c0$8a06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <001501c0c444$766318c0$c605efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Hi Misha. Thank's, I'd appreciate it if you found one. Kevin > Hi Kevin, > > I have no remote. However, I may take a look on > my friend's storage room - if there will be any > (he had GX-65 while ago) I'll let you know. > > Misha > > >Hi Misha. I understand. No problem. Would you be willing to sell the > >wireless remote unit? I need one for my GX-95. I would pay a good price plus > >shippping. > > > >Kevin > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 13 21:07:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:07:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> <3AD71B7F.E5B57CDC@concentric.net> <003f01bee5b8$77405300$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01da01c0c44d$05dd77e0$093442cf@sank1> NO single capstan Nak has the pad lifter. Nor any other single capstan deck I can think of. As Ron said, it is nearly impossible to have uniform tape tension over the head with a single capstan. Any *properly designed* dual capstan deck should be suitable for a pad lifter, though. The reduction in head wear alone is worth the attempt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > Hi Marcus and Ron, > > As my intention in the first place was to prolong remaining head life > (somehow I collect almost-worn heads), that lifter seems to be a good idea > provided the deck is able to perform well with lifter installed. I, like > most others, have read that one of Nak's hallmark was to achieve tape > tension so good that made Nak the *only* deck that can do without pressure > pad. So I was skeptical if this 'lowly' sony can also do that - first try > went south and I need to bend the supply roller stopper to increase > pressure. Voila ! Look mom, no pad. :-) I don't think transport has to > be as high as Nak standard for padlifter issue - but clearly real-nak > transport has its own advantages. > > I used to pull out the lifter on my Nak to be able to visually align tape > edge to head slot - and sometimes forgot to put it back when I proceed to > test the deck with sweeps. After two runs usually I noticed something wrong > with the curve in that it look more jagged. Of course when I put the lifter > back the curve is smoother. On pre-recorded tapes I can't hear noticable > difference with / without lifter unless on blank / silent passage where this > 'scrape' flutter can be clearly heard. I think it's more on the bad quality > of mass market tapes. > > Overall I 'like' the sound of my sony better with lifter installed, but > can't explain exactly in which area it is better, other than it sounds more > 'solid' - less variance. Maybe that is reduction of scrape flutter at work. > > Ron, I lost you on second paragraph below. Are you saying removal of > padlifters or removal of pads on single capstan deck ? I think I saw a > lifter on DR3 but I'm not really sure. Interesting history on that 24 hr > tape - how high did the fr go ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > > <...> > > For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of > the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. > > <... > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 13 21:43:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:43:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> <3AD71B7F.E5B57CDC@concentric.net> <003f01bee5b8$77405300$50289bca@smarzuki> <01da01c0c44d$05dd77e0$093442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AD756CD.4F904EE9@concentric.net> Salim, I never received your direct post, but got this copy, thanks to Stephen's reply. In the paragraph you mention, you caught my mistake. (a clear case of fingers going faster than brain :-)). I meant to say: > > For starters, I would be really surprised if ... ADDITION (NOT removal) > > ... of pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. The advantage of pad lifters is that tape contact pressure is no longer subject to the variability of the shell pads. Those can vary not only from cassette to cassette, but also along the length of the head. In a well designed transport, the contact pressure is entirely up to the transport, not the shell. This can usually achieved by a slight speed differential between the two capstans (that was discussed here in detail some time ago). That's why I think that unless the transport is designed with pad lifters in mind, their use can be detrimental. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > NO single capstan Nak has the pad lifter. Nor any other single capstan deck > I can think of. As Ron said, it is nearly impossible to have uniform tape > tension over the head with a single capstan. Any *properly designed* dual > capstan deck should be suitable for a pad lifter, though. The reduction in > head wear alone is worth the attempt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > > > > Hi Marcus and Ron, > > > > As my intention in the first place was to prolong remaining head life > > (somehow I collect almost-worn heads), that lifter seems to be a good idea > > provided the deck is able to perform well with lifter installed. I, like > > most others, have read that one of Nak's hallmark was to achieve tape > > tension so good that made Nak the *only* deck that can do without pressure > > pad. So I was skeptical if this 'lowly' sony can also do that - first try > > went south and I need to bend the supply roller stopper to increase > > pressure. Voila ! Look mom, no pad. :-) I don't think transport has to > > be as high as Nak standard for padlifter issue - but clearly real-nak > > transport has its own advantages. > > > > I used to pull out the lifter on my Nak to be able to visually align tape > > edge to head slot - and sometimes forgot to put it back when I proceed to > > test the deck with sweeps. After two runs usually I noticed something > wrong > > with the curve in that it look more jagged. Of course when I put the > lifter > > back the curve is smoother. On pre-recorded tapes I can't hear noticable > > difference with / without lifter unless on blank / silent passage where > this > > 'scrape' flutter can be clearly heard. I think it's more on the bad > quality > > of mass market tapes. > > > > Overall I 'like' the sound of my sony better with lifter installed, but > > can't explain exactly in which area it is better, other than it sounds > more > > 'solid' - less variance. Maybe that is reduction of scrape flutter at > work. > > > > Ron, I lost you on second paragraph below. Are you saying removal of > > padlifters or removal of pads on single capstan deck ? I think I saw a > > lifter on DR3 but I'm not really sure. Interesting history on that 24 hr > > tape - how high did the fr go ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > > > <...> > > > > For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of > > the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. > > > > <... > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Apr 13 22:25:30 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:25:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> <3AD71B7F.E5B57CDC@concentric.net> <003f01bee5b8$77405300$50289bca@smarzuki> <01da01c0c44d$05dd77e0$093442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AD760AD.E972AB71@pacbell.net> Am I mistaken or do most heads on quality decks move away from the tape path in rewind ff mode, or in the case of r to r, have tape lifters? Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > NO single capstan Nak has the pad lifter. Nor any other single capstan deck > I can think of. As Ron said, it is nearly impossible to have uniform tape > tension over the head with a single capstan. Any *properly designed* dual > capstan deck should be suitable for a pad lifter, though. The reduction in > head wear alone is worth the attempt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > > > > Hi Marcus and Ron, > > > > As my intention in the first place was to prolong remaining head life > > (somehow I collect almost-worn heads), that lifter seems to be a good idea > > provided the deck is able to perform well with lifter installed. I, like > > most others, have read that one of Nak's hallmark was to achieve tape > > tension so good that made Nak the *only* deck that can do without pressure > > pad. So I was skeptical if this 'lowly' sony can also do that - first try > > went south and I need to bend the supply roller stopper to increase > > pressure. Voila ! Look mom, no pad. :-) I don't think transport has to > > be as high as Nak standard for padlifter issue - but clearly real-nak > > transport has its own advantages. > > > > I used to pull out the lifter on my Nak to be able to visually align tape > > edge to head slot - and sometimes forgot to put it back when I proceed to > > test the deck with sweeps. After two runs usually I noticed something > wrong > > with the curve in that it look more jagged. Of course when I put the > lifter > > back the curve is smoother. On pre-recorded tapes I can't hear noticable > > difference with / without lifter unless on blank / silent passage where > this > > 'scrape' flutter can be clearly heard. I think it's more on the bad > quality > > of mass market tapes. > > > > Overall I 'like' the sound of my sony better with lifter installed, but > > can't explain exactly in which area it is better, other than it sounds > more > > 'solid' - less variance. Maybe that is reduction of scrape flutter at > work. > > > > Ron, I lost you on second paragraph below. Are you saying removal of > > padlifters or removal of pads on single capstan deck ? I think I saw a > > lifter on DR3 but I'm not really sure. Interesting history on that 24 hr > > tape - how high did the fr go ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > > > <...> > > > > For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of > > the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. > > > > <... > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 14 02:34:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:34:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> <3AD71B7F.E5B57CDC@concentric.net> <003f01bee5b8$77405300$50289bca@smarzuki> <01da01c0c44d$05dd77e0$093442cf@sank1> <3AD760AD.E972AB71@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <01f701c0c47a$a4e81020$093442cf@sank1> Brian, You're confusing padlifters with tape lifters. Yes, in cassettes, the heads are disengaged in FF & REW, except in cue or music search modes. The padlifter is the little sheetmetal frame around the Pb head of a Nak dual capstan deck, often referred to as a "head guard". It's a 2 cent miracle that prolongs the life of the head by a factor of at least two, perhaps five or ten, and also provides mush more uniform performance from tape to tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > Am I mistaken or do most heads on quality decks move away from the tape path in rewind > ff mode, or in the case of r to r, have tape lifters? > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > NO single capstan Nak has the pad lifter. Nor any other single capstan deck > > I can think of. As Ron said, it is nearly impossible to have uniform tape > > tension over the head with a single capstan. Any *properly designed* dual > > capstan deck should be suitable for a pad lifter, though. The reduction in > > head wear alone is worth the attempt. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > > > > > > > Hi Marcus and Ron, > > > > > > As my intention in the first place was to prolong remaining head life > > > (somehow I collect almost-worn heads), that lifter seems to be a good idea > > > provided the deck is able to perform well with lifter installed. I, like > > > most others, have read that one of Nak's hallmark was to achieve tape > > > tension so good that made Nak the *only* deck that can do without pressure > > > pad. So I was skeptical if this 'lowly' sony can also do that - first try > > > went south and I need to bend the supply roller stopper to increase > > > pressure. Voila ! Look mom, no pad. :-) I don't think transport has to > > > be as high as Nak standard for padlifter issue - but clearly real-nak > > > transport has its own advantages. > > > > > > I used to pull out the lifter on my Nak to be able to visually align tape > > > edge to head slot - and sometimes forgot to put it back when I proceed to > > > test the deck with sweeps. After two runs usually I noticed something > > wrong > > > with the curve in that it look more jagged. Of course when I put the > > lifter > > > back the curve is smoother. On pre-recorded tapes I can't hear noticable > > > difference with / without lifter unless on blank / silent passage where > > this > > > 'scrape' flutter can be clearly heard. I think it's more on the bad > > quality > > > of mass market tapes. > > > > > > Overall I 'like' the sound of my sony better with lifter installed, but > > > can't explain exactly in which area it is better, other than it sounds > > more > > > 'solid' - less variance. Maybe that is reduction of scrape flutter at > > work. > > > > > > Ron, I lost you on second paragraph below. Are you saying removal of > > > padlifters or removal of pads on single capstan deck ? I think I saw a > > > lifter on DR3 but I'm not really sure. Interesting history on that 24 hr > > > tape - how high did the fr go ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > > > > <...> > > > > > > For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of > > > the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > > > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > > > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. > > > > > > <... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sat Apr 14 06:25:39 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:25:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42605B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <11B2D731.72E582FE.026D48C1@netscape.net> Agree with Nick completely. This is not the place for calling names and putting the labels. Everybody respects opinions of each other but not in such a form. Sorry for intervening. Nicholas. naktalk at naks.com wrote: > > Dear Misha, > > with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and > believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing Akai > left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. It's > not funny anymore. > > Nick > > P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's > limit. > > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Apr 14 11:05:54 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:05:54 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42605B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, What's wrong with you buddy? I'm not a "nihilist" in anyway! Akais has many wrongly designed opions - and every professional (not homebrewed) electronic engener will agree with me - the only thing what needed for it - get inside of Akai with proper equipment - and everything will be clear. I never "abusing" Akai, but only point some very spechphic "features" of this deck. Having playing and toying with more than 20 pieces of Akai tape deck (not to mention reel-to-reel) gives me some rights to do so. And back to personal issues - my A&D 7100 - it's a Japan version of Akai GX-75mk2 (with better heads and electronics), which is far better model than yours Akai GX-69. What's wrong with that? Misha PS: Nick, I build my first tube amp when I was 12, and I build my first tape deck when I was 16. Now I'm 32, and beleive me I _realy_ know someting about many, many brands and decks after not only playing with them but after careful styding of many circuits and mechs. >Dear Misha, > >with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and >believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing Akai >left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. It's >not funny anymore. > >Nick > >P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's >limit. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:56 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II >> >> Hi Nick, >> >> No way! My A&D better than yours Akai ;-)))) >> >> Misha >> >> >No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up >> >garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... >> > >> >Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Apr 14 11:15:56 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:15:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <11B2D731.72E582FE.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hey Nicks (both of you). It's not me but Nick called my A&D garbage. So what's the point? A&D 7100 better than Akai 69 simply because it's higher model. And what's wrong with that? Simply nothing but you guys. Get some rest. Misha PS: Sorry to the list. >Agree with Nick completely. This is not the place for calling names and putting the labels. Everybody respects opinions of each other but not in such a form. Sorry for intervening. > >Nicholas. > >naktalk at naks.com wrote: >> >> Dear Misha, >> >> with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and >> believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing Akai >> left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. It's >> not funny anymore. >> >> Nick >> >> P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's >> limit. >> >> > >__________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 14 11:28:49 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:28:49 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426065@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Wanna do better than Raayymmond? OK, go for it. > -----Original Message----- > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:06 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > Hi Nick, > > What's wrong with you buddy? > I'm not a "nihilist" in anyway! Akais has many wrongly designed > opions - and every professional (not homebrewed) electronic > engener will agree with me - the only thing what needed for it - > get inside of Akai with proper equipment - and everything > will be clear. I never "abusing" Akai, but only point some > very spechphic "features" of this deck. Having playing > and toying with more than 20 pieces of Akai tape deck > (not to mention reel-to-reel) gives me some rights to do so. > > And back to personal issues - my A&D 7100 - it's a Japan > version of Akai GX-75mk2 (with better heads and electronics), > which is far better model than yours Akai GX-69. What's wrong > with that? > > Misha > > PS: Nick, I build my first tube amp when I was 12, and I build my > first tape deck when I was 16. Now I'm 32, and beleive me > I _realy_ know someting about many, many brands and decks > after not only playing with them but after careful styding of many > circuits and mechs. > > >Dear Misha, > > > >with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and > >believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing > Akai > >left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. > It's > >not funny anymore. > > > >Nick > > > >P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's > >limit. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:56 AM > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > >> > >> Hi Nick, > >> > >> No way! My A&D better than yours Akai ;-)))) > >> > >> Misha > >> > >> >No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up > >> >garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... > >> > > >> >Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Apr 14 13:00:00 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:00:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> Message-ID: <3AD82DB0.64E0EE08@sunint.co.za> Hi John Yes there are South African Naksters - and many Nak users unaware of this excellent facility. Some are though - me for instance and there's a chap in Jo'Burg I know of with a 1200 car unit. Your connection in SA who responded with peels of laughter re Jap reliability etc reflects the local ( I'm talking very broadly) belief that 'quality' means German / Swedish cars - European/Western stuff in general and generally price is the arbiter. Sweeping assumptions such as that, after all, remove the burden of having to know the subject.(!!!!). And of course, there is a knee jerk acceptance that all new technology is better. But then Nakamichi always was a bit costlier. We merely know about them because they are our passion. We have continued our relationship with these splendid machines in the face of new recording technology for at least two reasons. The first is, the suberb rendition of music. The other is, because of the vagaries of analogue recording, the machines themselves test our application and attention to detail. But in so doing they turn us into hobbyists. We become part of the success of the recording to which we listen. It is at least partly due to this, that digital recording will never enlist the same passion in us as our Nakamichi cassette decks. Cheers all - have a great Easter! I have serious catching up on my Naktalk. MARC HUGO "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Update. Just had email saying that the Sony TC-766-2 Service Manual > would be DM 33 approx. $17 including postage and package! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / > Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk > I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear > anything yet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: barking > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / > BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk > > > Now the heat has died down I would like to thank > everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman > question - > > I have found a service manual for this and my > wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp > (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask > for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for > manuals? > > They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking > of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used > their service? > > mail or electronic? > > good service or bad? > > Just a bit worried about handing my card details > over to a site which seems just a bit too > Aladdin's caveish! > > > > p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and > clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car > systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are > kept well and truly in their place by traditional > British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know > they have never been taken seriously. > > Also amusingly I was talking to a south african > freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent > of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability > and attention to detail. She had been under the > impression I must of been talking about German or > high end US made equipment. Are there any South > African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is > the laughter too much to bear? > > Having a NAK old time > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 14 14:34:15 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:34:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables In-Reply-To: <003f01c0ae52$5882eae0$3a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <004e01c0c4df$37ae6120$307501d5@a4s1s2> Not wishing to start the war again, guys (having enough of those in a Yahoo Club right now ... you know, one of those Clubs that's supposed to be devoted to love and peace ...) but yesterday I received a mailer advertising Valhalla Interconnect Bi-Wire interconnect @ £2,195 per metre (3' 3", for you guys in the States) per pair, and the same speaker cable @ £4,200 per 2m pair ... Methinks if I had that much money to spare right now I'd rather spend it on CD's, "the black stuff" and some collectable pre-recorded DATs ... and with the other £2k, I'd have myself a mint Dragon and a Revox B215! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Apr 14 15:06:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:06:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables References: <004e01c0c4df$37ae6120$307501d5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AD84B38.C55C440A@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Not wishing to start the war again, guys (having enough of those in a Yahoo > Club right now ... you know, one of those Clubs that's supposed to be > devoted to love and peace ...) but yesterday I received a mailer advertising > Valhalla Interconnect Bi-Wire interconnect @ £2,195 per metre (3' 3", for > you guys in the States) per pair, and the same speaker cable @ £4,200 per 2m > pair ... > > Methinks if I had that much money to spare right now I'd rather spend it on > CD's, "the black stuff" and some collectable pre-recorded DATs ... and with > the other £2k, I'd have myself a mint Dragon and a Revox B215! > > Graham > - It turns out £4,200 translates into about $6000. You can get a lot more than a mint Dragon and a B215 for that kind of moolah... Even if you throw in a pair of 2 meter 12AWG OFC cables (that cost all of about $4 and sound the same). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 14 17:01:42 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:01:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk References: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3AD82DB0.64E0EE08@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002c01c0c4f3$d14f5c30$c3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Marc. I got the manual from Germany a fews days later, excellent service. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Hi John Yes there are South African Naksters - and many Nak users unaware of this excellent facility. Some are though - me for instance and there's a chap in Jo'Burg I know of with a 1200 car unit. Your connection in SA who responded with peels of laughter re Jap reliability etc reflects the local ( I'm talking very broadly) belief that 'quality' means German / Swedish cars - European/Western stuff in general and generally price is the arbiter. Sweeping assumptions such as that, after all, remove the burden of having to know the subject.(!!!!). And of course, there is a knee jerk acceptance that all new technology is better. But then Nakamichi always was a bit costlier. We merely know about them because they are our passion. We have continued our relationship with these splendid machines in the face of new recording technology for at least two reasons. The first is, the suberb rendition of music. The other is, because of the vagaries of analogue recording, the machines themselves test our application and attention to detail. But in so doing they turn us into hobbyists. We become part of the success of the recording to which we listen. It is at least partly due to this, that digital recording will never enlist the same passion in us as our Nakamichi cassette decks. Cheers all - have a great Easter! I have serious catching up on my Naktalk. MARC HUGO "John M. Tooley" wrote: Update. Just had email saying that the Sony TC-766-2 Service Manual would be DM 33 approx. $17 including postage and package! ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear anything yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: barking To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? Having a NAK old time Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 14 17:20:25 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:20:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426065@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> Everybody just chill out... we can all agree to differ in our opinions and do so as mature adults. I'm not any great Akai lover either, but have still owned many of their decks and feel that there is room here for any relevant topic... including Akai... that's what makes this forum interesting. We have a lot of great people here with much to bring to the mix. Let's enjoy our diversity, not fight over it! Ed Igritski Nick wrote: > Wanna do better than Raayymmond? OK, go for it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:06 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > What's wrong with you buddy? > > I'm not a "nihilist" in anyway! Akais has many wrongly designed > > opions - and every professional (not homebrewed) electronic > > engener will agree with me - the only thing what needed for it - > > get inside of Akai with proper equipment - and everything > > will be clear. I never "abusing" Akai, but only point some > > very spechphic "features" of this deck. Having playing > > and toying with more than 20 pieces of Akai tape deck > > (not to mention reel-to-reel) gives me some rights to do so. > > > > And back to personal issues - my A&D 7100 - it's a Japan > > version of Akai GX-75mk2 (with better heads and electronics), > > which is far better model than yours Akai GX-69. What's wrong > > with that? > > > > Misha > > > > PS: Nick, I build my first tube amp when I was 12, and I build my > > first tape deck when I was 16. Now I'm 32, and beleive me > > I _realy_ know someting about many, many brands and decks > > after not only playing with them but after careful styding of many > > circuits and mechs. > > > > >Dear Misha, > > > > > >with all respect for the freedom of choice/speech/opinion, I am (and > > >believe, NOT only me) fed up with your nihilism and neverending abusing > > Akai > > >left and right. You're amazingly restless at this point. Take a rest. > > It's > > >not funny anymore. > > > > > >Nick > > > > > >P.S. Forgive me guys, but my tolerance and benevolence has reached it's > > >limit. > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > > >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:56 AM > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > >> > > >> Hi Nick, > > >> > > >> No way! My A&D better than yours Akai ;-)))) > > >> > > >> Misha > > >> > > >> >No way! Nick is neither Rockfeller, nor precipitation tank to pick up > > >> >garbage from all around the world. He-he-he... > > >> > > > >> >Nick > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Apr 14 19:05:47 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:05:47 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426065@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, I'm not going to flame with you - there is enough news group to do so. And before going to flame with anyone please try to get some expirience with it - first of all remember that all said can be read after long period of time. If you will check archives of this list you will find that I never did any personal or any kind of abuse. And even saying something "bad" about "our famous" brand I was always specific - and always based on my personal expirience but not personal biasing. I never had anything personal against you but now I'm put your on a filter. Sorry. Misha >Wanna do better than Raayymmond? OK, go for it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Apr 14 19:15:49 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:15:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> Message-ID: Hi Ed, You are right - every pice of equipment will find it's place. Every opinion has right to exist. I'm not against Akais - I simply know their weak sides. So if someone likes it - I'm glad to know it. I even have one right now :) And I'm not going to participate in any kind of flame wars - have more than enough of expirience on it being member of Usenet and Fido news groups from 1992 ;-) I'm sure that my expirience with electronics more suitable for this List than my expirience with flaming ;-))) Peace everyone! Everyone has rights to love Akai ;-P Misha >Everybody just chill out... we can all agree to differ in our opinions and do so as >mature adults. I'm not any great Akai lover either, but have still owned many of their >decks and feel that there is room here for any relevant topic... including Akai... >that's what makes this forum interesting. We have a lot of great people here with much >to bring to the mix. Let's enjoy our diversity, not fight over it! > >Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Apr 14 21:00:54 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:00:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS References: <00bb01c0c395$b85697c0$f81a9bca@smarzuki> <000801c0c421$f73849c0$94289bca@smarzuki> <3AD71B7F.E5B57CDC@concentric.net> <003f01bee5b8$77405300$50289bca@smarzuki> <01da01c0c44d$05dd77e0$093442cf@sank1> <3AD760AD.E972AB71@pacbell.net> <01f701c0c47a$a4e81020$093442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AD89E1B.51E70578@pacbell.net> Comprendo on the pad lifters. Thanx! Stephen Sank wrote: > Brian, > You're confusing padlifters with tape lifters. Yes, in cassettes, the heads > are disengaged in FF & REW, except in cue or music search modes. The > padlifter is the little sheetmetal frame around the Pb head of a Nak dual > capstan deck, often referred to as a "head guard". It's a 2 cent miracle > that prolongs the life of the head by a factor of at least two, perhaps five > or ten, and also provides mush more uniform performance from tape to tape. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > > Am I mistaken or do most heads on quality decks move away from the tape > path in rewind > > ff mode, or in the case of r to r, have tape lifters? > > > > Brian > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > NO single capstan Nak has the pad lifter. Nor any other single capstan > deck > > > I can think of. As Ron said, it is nearly impossible to have uniform > tape > > > tension over the head with a single capstan. Any *properly designed* > dual > > > capstan deck should be suitable for a pad lifter, though. The reduction > in > > > head wear alone is worth the attempt. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PADLIFTERS > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marcus and Ron, > > > > > > > > As my intention in the first place was to prolong remaining head life > > > > (somehow I collect almost-worn heads), that lifter seems to be a good > idea > > > > provided the deck is able to perform well with lifter installed. I, > like > > > > most others, have read that one of Nak's hallmark was to achieve tape > > > > tension so good that made Nak the *only* deck that can do without > pressure > > > > pad. So I was skeptical if this 'lowly' sony can also do that - first > try > > > > went south and I need to bend the supply roller stopper to increase > > > > pressure. Voila ! Look mom, no pad. :-) I don't think transport > has to > > > > be as high as Nak standard for padlifter issue - but clearly real-nak > > > > transport has its own advantages. > > > > > > > > I used to pull out the lifter on my Nak to be able to visually align > tape > > > > edge to head slot - and sometimes forgot to put it back when I proceed > to > > > > test the deck with sweeps. After two runs usually I noticed something > > > wrong > > > > with the curve in that it look more jagged. Of course when I put the > > > lifter > > > > back the curve is smoother. On pre-recorded tapes I can't hear > noticable > > > > difference with / without lifter unless on blank / silent passage > where > > > this > > > > 'scrape' flutter can be clearly heard. I think it's more on the bad > > > quality > > > > of mass market tapes. > > > > > > > > Overall I 'like' the sound of my sony better with lifter installed, > but > > > > can't explain exactly in which area it is better, other than it sounds > > > more > > > > 'solid' - less variance. Maybe that is reduction of scrape flutter at > > > work. > > > > > > > > Ron, I lost you on second paragraph below. Are you saying removal of > > > > padlifters or removal of pads on single capstan deck ? I think I saw > a > > > > lifter on DR3 but I'm not really sure. Interesting history on that 24 > hr > > > > tape - how high did the fr go ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > > > > > <...> > > > > > > > > For starters, I would be really surprised if removal of > > > > the pad lifters would work well for a single capstan > > > > mechanism, since tape pressure would become a function > > > > of tape reel diameter and will change during play. > > > > > > > > <... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Apr 14 21:08:57 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:08:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> Thank you, gentlemen, for choosing to stop any kind of Bile shot into this group. Personal issues with each other should be contained in direct email to email correspondence. Nobody in this group cares about your personal issues with each other or with their equipment. Brian Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Ed, > > You are right - every pice of equipment will find it's place. > Every opinion has right to exist. I'm not against Akais - I > simply know their weak sides. So if someone likes it - > I'm glad to know it. I even have one right now :) > And I'm not going to participate in any kind of flame wars - > have more than enough of expirience on it being member > of Usenet and Fido news groups from 1992 ;-) > I'm sure that my expirience with electronics more suitable > for this List than my expirience with flaming ;-))) > > Peace everyone! Everyone has rights to love Akai ;-P > > Misha > > >Everybody just chill out... we can all agree to differ in our opinions and do so as > >mature adults. I'm not any great Akai lover either, but have still owned many of their > >decks and feel that there is room here for any relevant topic... including Akai... > >that's what makes this forum interesting. We have a lot of great people here with much > >to bring to the mix. Let's enjoy our diversity, not fight over it! > > > >Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 14 21:20:45 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:20:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> 10-4 on that. Naktalk not nagtalk! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > Thank you, gentlemen, for choosing to stop any kind of Bile shot into this group. > Personal issues with each other should be contained in direct email to email > correspondence. Nobody in this group cares about your personal issues with each other or > with their equipment. > > Brian > > Michael Mironov wrote: > > > Hi Ed, > > > > You are right - every pice of equipment will find it's place. > > Every opinion has right to exist. I'm not against Akais - I > > simply know their weak sides. So if someone likes it - > > I'm glad to know it. I even have one right now :) > > And I'm not going to participate in any kind of flame wars - > > have more than enough of expirience on it being member > > of Usenet and Fido news groups from 1992 ;-) > > I'm sure that my expirience with electronics more suitable > > for this List than my expirience with flaming ;-))) > > > > Peace everyone! Everyone has rights to love Akai ;-P > > > > Misha > > > > >Everybody just chill out... we can all agree to differ in our opinions and do so as > > >mature adults. I'm not any great Akai lover either, but have still owned many of their > > >decks and feel that there is room here for any relevant topic... including Akai... > > >that's what makes this forum interesting. We have a lot of great people here with much > > >to bring to the mix. Let's enjoy our diversity, not fight over it! > > > > > >Ed > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sat Apr 14 22:26:57 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:26:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topics ( I hope )- td700 vs 550 References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <002f01c0c521$41171bc0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Anybody have experience with both of these? Leaving out the adj azimuth of the td700 which do you think sounds better and why? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > 10-4 on that. Naktalk not nagtalk! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX-95II > > > > Thank you, gentlemen, for choosing to stop any kind of Bile shot into this > group. > > Personal issues with each other should be contained in direct email to > email > > correspondence. Nobody in this group cares about your personal issues > with each other or > > with their equipment. > > > > Brian > > > > Michael Mironov wrote: > > > > > Hi Ed, > > > > > > You are right - every pice of equipment will find it's place. > > > Every opinion has right to exist. I'm not against Akais - I > > > simply know their weak sides. So if someone likes it - > > > I'm glad to know it. I even have one right now :) > > > And I'm not going to participate in any kind of flame wars - > > > have more than enough of expirience on it being member > > > of Usenet and Fido news groups from 1992 ;-) > > > I'm sure that my expirience with electronics more suitable > > > for this List than my expirience with flaming ;-))) > > > > > > Peace everyone! Everyone has rights to love Akai ;-P > > > > > > Misha > > > > > > >Everybody just chill out... we can all agree to differ in our opinions > and do so as > > > >mature adults. I'm not any great Akai lover either, but have still > owned many of their > > > >decks and feel that there is room here for any relevant topic... > including Akai... > > > >that's what makes this forum interesting. We have a lot of great people > here with much > > > >to bring to the mix. Let's enjoy our diversity, not fight over it! > > > > > > > >Ed > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sat Apr 14 22:35:08 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:35:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #2 ( I hope ) Best deal/ greatest steal on a nakamichi you have ever seen reguardless of whether you got it or not References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Hi All, Had a chance to get a 682zx for $75 + shipping but I wasn't smart enough to call nak usa and have them ship the owner a box so he could be sure it would arrive okay STUPID....... Stan P. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sat Apr 14 22:53:55 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:53:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #3 Is compression/eq a useful thing References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Message-ID: <004301c0c525$057e50c0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Hi all, I need to make some copies of some taped live recordings onto cassette and cd. Considering that the folks who will use them will usually have portable,car,and otherwise inexpensive decks for playback is it better to make the copies so that they are compressed and mabye a little eq-ed for good average volume and a little false bass punch so that the quality "seems better" on their equipment or leave the recordings as natural as possible hoping some day they will be played back on equipment that matches the quality of the recording equipment? Stan P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #2 ( I hope ) Best deal/ greatest steal on a nakamichi you have ever seen reguardless of whether you got it or not > Hi All, > > Had a chance to get a 682zx for $75 + shipping but I wasn't smart enough to > call nak usa and have them ship the owner a box so he could be sure it would > arrive okay > STUPID....... > > Stan P. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sun Apr 15 06:44:40 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:44:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 II References: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3AD82DB0.64E0EE08@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <0586B2DA.39C96CBC.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Misha, Nothing personal. I do not want to start another "war" in Naktalk, I suppose everybody got tired of hostilities already. The only thing I would like to say that your opinion of Akai and other equipment is only an opinion though maybe of high professional and knowledgable person. Other people can have their opinions on the issue and let us respect this right of each other. I think I made my position quite clear and heard yours so let's close this topic. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sun Apr 15 07:05:20 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:05:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtuYWt0YWxrXSBJbnRlcmVzdGluZyBUb3BpYyAjMyCgSXMgY29tcHJlc3Npb24vZXEgYSB1c2VmdWwgdGhpbmc=?= References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <004301c0c525$057e50c0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Message-ID: <6B44C2D6.1262A308.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Stan, You are right - that is a very interesting topic. If I were the recepient I'd prefer to have pure neutral and natural recordings in order to be able to play them on some good equipment somewhere in the future. Though I must say that almost all the people I made the recordings for usually prefer the first variant: eq, high bias, etc. I even had to do some recordings with Dolby B for portables not to eliminate the hiss, but to boost the highs. People do not like the sound of natural recording, they say it sounds lean and noisy, without rich highs and bass. Nicholas. naktalk at naks.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > I need to make some copies of some taped live recordings onto cassette and > cd. Considering that the folks who will use them will usually have > portable,car,and otherwise inexpensive decks for playback is it better to > make the copies so that they are compressed and mabye a little eq-ed for > good average volume and a little false bass punch > so that the quality "seems better" on their equipment or leave the > recordings as natural as possible hoping some day they will be played back > on equipment that matches the quality of the recording equipment? > > Stan P. > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 15 17:17:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:17:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #3 Is compression/eq a useful thing References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <004301c0c525$057e50c0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Message-ID: <3AD9BB90.26AD948B@concentric.net> I can only speak for my own preferences (obviously :-) ). So, if the recordings are of voice only, I would prefer equalization for best intelligibility (boosted highs, etc.). If of music, I would really prefer the most accurate recording possible, with as little 'doctoring' as possible. Some car and portable players nowadays are pretty good and can exploit clean, full range sound. Excessive bass boost, etc., can actually be detrimental on good car players and sound bloated and unnatural. -- Ron "Stanley P. Pickens" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I need to make some copies of some taped live recordings onto cassette and > cd. Considering that the folks who will use them will usually have > portable,car,and otherwise inexpensive decks for playback is it better to > make the copies so that they are compressed and mabye a little eq-ed for > good average volume and a little false bass punch > so that the quality "seems better" on their equipment or leave the > recordings as natural as possible hoping some day they will be played back > on equipment that matches the quality of the recording equipment? > > Stan P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stanley P. Pickens" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 4:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #2 ( I hope ) Best deal/ greatest steal > on a nakamichi you have ever seen reguardless of whether you got it or not > > > Hi All, > > > > Had a chance to get a 682zx for $75 + shipping but I wasn't smart enough > to > > call nak usa and have them ship the owner a box so he could be sure it > would > > arrive okay > > STUPID....... > > > > Stan P. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 15 17:19:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #2 ( I hope ) Best deal/ greatest steal on a nakamichi you have ever seen reguardless of whether you got it or not References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> Message-ID: <3AD9BC08.A67862EA@concentric.net> "Stanley P. Pickens" wrote: > > Hi All, > > Had a chance to get a 682zx for $75 + shipping but I wasn't smart enough to > call nak usa and have them ship the owner a box so he could be sure it would > arrive okay > STUPID....... > > Stan P. I didn't realize empty boxes are available. Is that true for all Nakamichi models? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Apr 16 00:23:09 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:23:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 II References: <005e01c0bd17$cff855f0$b0496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3AD82DB0.64E0EE08@sunint.co.za> <0586B2DA.39C96CBC.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <005101c0c5fa$a726af00$8a232ac4@coqui.net> Please, please, please ! Not again my dear friends. We all got enough with that R* pest already. Back to Nak talk, ok ?? Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net > I think I made my position quite clear and heard yours so let's close this topic. > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 09:14:28 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] All I need is another Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <000b01c0c204$0b2b03c0$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010416071428.12398.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Salim, How's it going? I just bought a Nakamichi CR-1A by accident. I like going through all the Nak auctions and bid really low just for the fun of it. I just found out I won one of the auctions. Check it out. A Nakamichi CR-1A (that doesn't play - not a problem for me) for $19.99 plus shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228070187&ed=987389920 I'm so stoked! Happy Easter, Scott Johnson --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks Scott and Stephen for saving my $20. :-) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > I have one of those alignment tapes. I got the > Metal > > bias version since I figured it would be less > likely > > to fade in the presence of magnetized heads and > from > > being left on top of power transformers and such. > > Anyway when I first tried the tape I thought it > was a > > joke. The background noise sounded like it was > > recorded on some really cheap deck. Take the > cheapest > > portable deck you can think of and image test > signals > > recorded on that. > > > > I did not verify that the azimuth was correct or > that > > the 3kHz speed was accurate, etc, etc. They may > be > > dead on, I don't know. I got the tape before I > got my > > Nak T-100 so maybe I'll try it out again this > weekend. > > > > For now I'll stick to the geniune Nak test tapes I > > already have. > > > > Scott J. > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Nick ... 135degree north, 15degree west ? yes > > > they're a bit expensive. :-) > > > > > > Alrighty, I'm waiting for the address. > Meantime, > > > what's your opinion on > > > this item: > > > > > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&User_ID=1657010&st=2877&s > > > > t2=89274519&st3=-87198912&Product_ID=11216&CATID=34 > > > > > > "Omega audio alignment test tape" order #515-010 > for > > > $20 ? > > > Waste of money or somewhat usable ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:47 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dead head > > > > > > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > > > BTW, I can give you the coordinates of the > company > > > I purchased all my > > > > calibration tapes from. As any professional > > > equipment they are far from > > > > cheap (roughly 80$ pro tape), but to have them > is > > > MUCH MORE advantageous, > > > > that not to have. Taking into account the > general > > > situation with tape > > > decks, > > > > I would not be surprised, if the availability > of > > > those tapes wouldn't last > > > > long... > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 16 14:34:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:34:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] All I need is another Nakamichi References: <20010416071428.12398.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c0c671$a6803cc0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, Doing good, okay and lonely. No wonder there's no message yesterday ... Happy Easter guys ! So you got yourself an easter egg ? One complete deck made by a prestigious company for the price of a low Q test tape ? Next time I might ask your help to bid on some items .... :-) sometimes I feel lucky not being able to bid, you know - 582 here 670 there soon it'll add up to 1000 zxl !! Which reminds me to offer you and also Nakfellows a nice Nak 582 for less than $150 *shipping included* from the US and to the US only (if not sold already), no box/manual, not even mine. Please email me for further details. Serious ! Cheers, Salim SM PS: I might be able to help with your overstock issue though.:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] All I need is another Nakamichi > Hey Salim, > How's it going? > > I just bought a Nakamichi CR-1A by accident. I like > going through all the Nak auctions and bid really low > just for the fun of it. I just found out I won one of > the auctions. Check it out. A Nakamichi CR-1A (that > doesn't play - not a problem for me) for $19.99 plus > shipping. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228070187&ed=9873899 20 > > I'm so stoked! > > Happy Easter, > Scott Johnson > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 08:06:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:06:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - rare 8-track reel-to-reel Message-ID: <2f.13e43f0a.280d377c@aol.com> For those interested in reel-to-reel decks. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1423134875 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 18 03:25:22 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:25:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Labs B, C, S unit on ebay Message-ID: <016c01c0c7a6$70696db0$ac496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1229444522 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Apr 18 09:46:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:46:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <15.12d9e5df.280ea062@aol.com> Hi All! I have another fundamental question for the collective wisdom of this group. As I am evaluating used NAK decks, what should I look for to indicate severe head wear? So, what does a "worn" tape head look like? I think the head in my BX-150 may be showing signs of wear, but I'm not sure. Thank you all in advance for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Apr 18 10:08:12 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:08:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Interesting Topic #3 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0Is?= compression/eq a useful thing References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <004301c0c525$057e50c0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <6B44C2D6.1262A308.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3ADD4B6C.25AB1731@sunint.co.za> So true Nick: How many people have no idea that they have a 'taste' for heavily contoured music, strongly eq'd for cruddy systems. Indeed, how many closet Dolby abusers out there - you know the type....engaging NR in record mode and playing back with NR turned off. There's no substitute for quality tape stock, top class machines and of course a pair of well calibrated ears. Cheers, Marc Nick wrote: > Hi, Stan, > > You are right - that is a very interesting topic. If I were the recepient I'd prefer to have pure neutral and natural recordings in order to be able to play them on some good equipment somewhere in the future. > > Though I must say that almost all the people I made the recordings for usually prefer the first variant: eq, high bias, etc. I even had to do some recordings with Dolby B for portables not to eliminate the hiss, but to boost the highs. People do not like the sound of natural recording, they say it sounds lean and noisy, without rich highs and bass. > > Nicholas. > > naktalk at naks.com wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I need to make some copies of some taped live recordings onto cassette and > > cd. Considering that the folks who will use them will usually have > > portable,car,and otherwise inexpensive decks for playback is it better to > > make the copies so that they are compressed and mabye a little eq-ed for > > good average volume and a little false bass punch > > so that the quality "seems better" on their equipment or leave the > > recordings as natural as possible hoping some day they will be played back > > on equipment that matches the quality of the recording equipment? > > > > Stan P. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Apr 18 10:43:40 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 04:43:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtuYWt0YWxrXSBJbnRlcmVzdGluZyBUb3BpYyAjMyCgSXMgY29tcHJlc3Npb24vZXEgYSB1c2VmdWwgdGhpbmc=?= References: <3AD86AB8.2CA948DC@snet.net> <3AD89FFE.BDCDD82D@pacbell.net> <005001c0c518$01dcd2f0$9d496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003401c0c522$65c45720$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <004301c0c525$057e50c0$71bef7a5@hayabusa> <6B44C2D6.1262A308.026D48C1@netscape.net> <3ADD4B6C.25AB1731@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <274178F4.104321CE.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Marc, Thank you for support. To be honest I hate this problem because I had to make a recording much worse than the equipment is capable of. Such "tweaked" recordings become almost unlistenable on monitor but... Regards, Nicholas. > > So true Nick: > > How many people have no idea that they have a 'taste' for heavily contoured music, strongly eq'd for cruddy systems.  Indeed, how many closet Dolby abusers out there - you know the type....engaging NR in record mode and playing back with NR turned off.  There's no substitute for quality tape stock, top class machines and of course a pair of well > calibrated ears. > > Cheers, > > > Marc > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 18 14:06:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:06:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <15.12d9e5df.280ea062@aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c0c800$0343bce0$55289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Biggest noticable difference that I can see on my worn pb heads is that they have extra wide flat surface roughly fourth of entire head width whereas on new head it looks like a thick line less than or almost 1mm wide. The one I have on my hand right now measures 2mm wide and its gap already 'opening up' meaning under magnifying glass you can see black 'spots' developing at the exact center. On good head you can barely see this gap other than a very thin line. Interestingly I have two worn heads with 'open gap' but only on one channel each - one is on left (outer) ch while the other on R (inner) ch. Another one already has a wide surface but gap still intact but high freq noticably rolled off early, and I would say that that would be the first clue (of course with azimuth already aligned). On those decks, rec heads are still good, proven by playing recorded tapes on another deck. Sorry !!! I forgot that all those heads are pb only units. Imho combo pb/rec head on older naks with padlifter should be even more tough. On bx 150 case with no padlifter, my guess is that you should be able to see 'grooved in' or 'encarved' tracks (exactly tape width) along tape travel direction. If the head still has a smooth surface then it should be okay. Over here people used to sell pirated tapes by shipload back in 80s - exactly by the time all those good Naks were still produced. Guess that's how I end up with so many headless naks. You should be on a safer ground in the US. :-) Hope that helps. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > Hi All! > > I have another fundamental question for the collective wisdom of this group. > As I am evaluating used NAK decks, what should I look for to indicate severe > head wear? So, what does a "worn" tape head look like? I think the head in > my BX-150 may be showing signs of wear, but I'm not sure. Thank you all in > advance for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Apr 18 13:23:57 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:23:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a sm idgen of Naktalk Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D30A@CPT-01> and Cape Town I might not be that fanatical about my Nak but i'm very happy about the 1000zxl i purchased the other day (only problem is the dolby c unit). regards neal -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 14 April 2001 13:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Hi John Yes there are South African Naksters - and many Nak users unaware of this excellent facility. Some are though - me for instance and there's a chap in Jo'Burg I know of with a 1200 car unit. Your connection in SA who responded with peels of laughter re Jap reliability etc reflects the local ( I'm talking very broadly) belief that 'quality' means German / Swedish cars - European/Western stuff in general and generally price is the arbiter. Sweeping assumptions such as that, after all, remove the burden of having to know the subject.(!!!!). And of course, there is a knee jerk acceptance that all new technology is better. But then Nakamichi always was a bit costlier. We merely know about them because they are our passion. We have continued our relationship with these splendid machines in the face of new recording technology for at least two reasons. The first is, the suberb rendition of music. The other is, because of the vagaries of analogue recording, the machines themselves test our application and attention to detail. But in so doing they turn us into hobbyists. We become part of the success of the recording to which we listen. It is at least partly due to this, that digital recording will never enlist the same passion in us as our Nakamichi cassette decks. Cheers all - have a great Easter! I have serious catching up on my Naktalk. MARC HUGO "John M. Tooley" wrote: Update. Just had email saying that the Sony TC-766-2 Service Manual would be DM 33 approx. $17 including postage and package! ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk I e-mailed a week ago for a Service Manual but didn't hear anything yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: barking To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] A.G. Tannenbaum experience / BOSE / Sony / and a smidgen of Naktalk Now the heat has died down I would like to thank everyone who replied to my Sony pro-walkman question - I have found a service manual for this and my wonderful, heavily modified Technics SP10 mkIIp (ex BBC from here in the UK) but thought I'd ask for peoples experiences using A.G. Tannenbaum for manuals? They seem very reasonable on price and am thinking of getting pdf files delivered, so anyone used their service? mail or electronic? good service or bad? Just a bit worried about handing my card details over to a site which seems just a bit too Aladdin's caveish! p.s. Over here I only know BOSE from pubs and clubs and idiots with ''3000 watt pmpo' car systems, playing drum and bass at 130db. They are kept well and truly in their place by traditional British hi-fi manufacturers - as far as I know they have never been taken seriously. Also amusingly I was talking to a south african freind about Naks recently, only to get a torrent of laughter when I mentioned Japanese reliability and attention to detail. She had been under the impression I must of been talking about German or high end US made equipment. Are there any South African Naksters? Can they go out in public or is the laughter too much to bear? 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A: 1,445: --1 to change the spark plug and to post to the mail list that the spark plug has been changed; --14 to share similar experiences of changing spark plugs and how the spark plug could have been changed differently; --7 to caution about the dangers of changing spark plugs; --27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing spark plugs; --53 to flame the spell checkers; --41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; --6 to argue over whether it?s ??sparkplug?? or ??spark plug?? and another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive; --156 to write to the list administrator about the spark plug discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; --109 to post that this list is not about spark plugs and to please take this email exchange to sparkplug flamelist-l; --203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and sparkplug-l about changing spark plugs be stopped; --111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use spark plugs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list; --306 to debate which method of changing spark plugs is superior, where to buy the best spark plugs, what brand of spark plugs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty; --41 to point out that not all of us use spark plugs, representing all diesel owners; --58 to question why diesel owners are on a non-diesel mailing list; --3 to comment about conversions to electric; --27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different spark plugs; --14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and to post the corrected URLs; --3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes spark plugs relevant to this list; --33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers and then add ??Me too??; --12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the spark plug controversy; --19 to quote the ??Me too?s?? to say ??Me three??; --4 to suggest that posters request the spark plug FAQ; --44 to ask what is ??FAQ??; --4 to say??didn?t we go through this already a short time ago dealing with oil filters??? --143 to ask ??what?s an oil filter??? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 18 16:21:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:21:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] To funny References: <004e01c0c805$536cba00$5d021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3ADDA2F3.3AE3F54@concentric.net> It's 't-o-o' funny, Brian, not 't-o' funny.... :-) -- Ron N.B. Thanks for the post. I had a good laugh... There wasn't a single type I haven't seen an example of, one time or another. I especially love the people that run a response through a spell checker, than publish the results. Reminds me of those lines from a G&S operetta: I know everybody's income and what everybody earns and I carefully compare it to their income tax returns. [...] To everybody's prejudice I know a thing or two; I can tell a woman's age in half a minute -- and I do. > Brian Miller wrote: > > I am on another mailing list such as Naktalk, it is > automotive related. Somebody sent the message below to > that mailing list...they received it on another mailing > list. > > Got this on a couple mailing lists I'm on, I thought it > was pretty funny > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a > spark plug? > > A: 1,445: > > --1 to change the spark plug and to post to the mail list > that the spark > plug has been changed; > --14 to share similar experiences of changing spark plugs > and how the > spark plug could have been changed differently; > --7 to caution about the dangers of changing spark plugs; > --27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about > changing spark > plugs; > --53 to flame the spell checkers; > --41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; > --6 to argue over whether it?s ??sparkplug?? or ??spark > plug?? and > another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive; > --156 to write to the list administrator about the spark > plug > discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; > --109 to post that this list is not about spark plugs and > to please > take this email exchange to sparkplug flamelist-l; > --203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, > spelling-l and > sparkplug-l about changing spark plugs be stopped; > --111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we > all use spark > plugs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail > list; > --306 to debate which method of changing spark plugs is > superior, where > to buy the best spark plugs, what brand of spark plugs > work best for this > technique and what brands are faulty; > --41 to point out that not all of us use spark plugs, > representing all > diesel owners; > --58 to question why diesel owners are on a non-diesel > mailing list; > --3 to comment about conversions to electric; > --27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different > spark plugs; > --14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and to > post the > corrected URLs; > --3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are > relevant to > this list which makes spark plugs relevant to this list; > --33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including > all headers > and footers and then add ??Me too??; > --12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing > because they > cannot handle the spark plug controversy; > --19 to quote the ??Me too?s?? to say ??Me three??; > --4 to suggest that posters request the spark plug FAQ; > --44 to ask what is ??FAQ??; > --4 to say??didn?t we go through this already a short time > ago dealing > with oil filters??? > --143 to ask ??what?s an oil filter??? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten > Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but > have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 18 16:40:23 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:40:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] To"o" funny References: <004e01c0c805$536cba00$5d021fac@brianm> <3ADDA2F3.3AE3F54@concentric.net> Message-ID: <008b01c0c815$81292680$5d021fac@brianm> Ron, Even funnier, after I submitted that, I realized I spelled "To" wrong, immediatly my thoughts were of flames!! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 19 05:51:45 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:21:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <20010419035145.45B0D1DFB86@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Thu Apr 19 08:05:24 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:05:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <20010419035145.45B0D1DFB86@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000701c0c896$b9ad3600$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > then rcord 16 Khz sine wave at -20 dB on a metal tape to adjust bias). I found the response is excellent. Not only overall frequency response matters. Wrong bias settings gives much more distortion. Most amateurs don't have the proper tools for alignment to factory specifications. > I also found that what is recorded on this sounds better on 3 head naks! ( like BX300/Dragon/ 582). A combined Playback/Record head is a compromise. Separate heads are designed for their task and have for example a very different gap. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 19 08:14:57 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:14:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <20010419035145.45B0D1DFB86@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <005001c0c898$457edca0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan & Sam, On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes on one channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - since one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The other one with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted high freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. Kannan, can you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > ----Original Message----- > Sam > I have a BX1 with me for over 8 years and the previous owner must have had it for atleast 4 years before and it's head is in fantastic condition eventhough it looks worn on the top( I have a replacement head for this and had not replaced ). For a two head without pressure pad lifter the performance is fantastic. Best way to test without any additional tools( and expansive Nak test tapes!) is to check playing of a cassette - close to your machine' head alignment. If it plays decently - the head is fine. Also record a music from decent CD on this deck and find out. I had to slightly adjsut bias and level of my BX1 ( using Nak level tape to set level and then rcord 16 Khz sine wave at -20 dB on a metal tape to adjust bias). I found the response is excellent. I also found that what is recorded on this sounds better on 3 head naks! ( like BX300/Dragon/ 582). > If the head is really worn out you will not hear voice on the machine ( above 3 Khz ) which is very rare. > Kannan > > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:22 PM > > >Hi Sam, > > > >Biggest noticable difference that I can see on my worn pb heads is that they > >have extra wide flat surface roughly fourth of entire head width whereas on > >new head it looks like a thick line less than or almost 1mm wide. > > > >The one I have on my hand right now measures 2mm wide and its gap already > >'opening up' meaning under magnifying glass you can see black 'spots' > >developing at the exact center. On good head you can barely see this gap > >other than a very thin line. > > > >Interestingly I have two worn heads with 'open gap' but only on one channel > >each - one is on left (outer) ch while the other on R (inner) ch. Another > >one already has a wide surface but gap still intact but high freq noticably > >rolled off early, and I would say that that would be the first clue (of > >course with azimuth already aligned). On those decks, rec heads are still > >good, proven by playing recorded tapes on another deck. > > > >Sorry !!! I forgot that all those heads are pb only units. Imho combo > >pb/rec head on older naks with padlifter should be even more tough. On bx > >150 case with no padlifter, my guess is that you should be able to see > >'grooved in' or 'encarved' tracks (exactly tape width) along tape travel > >direction. If the head still has a smooth surface then it should be okay. > > > >Over here people used to sell pirated tapes by shipload back in 80s - > >exactly by the time all those good Naks were still produced. Guess that's > >how I end up with so many headless naks. You should be on a safer ground in > >the US. :-) > > > >Hope that helps. > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > > >> Hi All! > >> I have another fundamental question for the collective wisdom of this > >group. > >> As I am evaluating used NAK decks, what should I look for to indicate > >severe > >> head wear? So, what does a "worn" tape head look like? I think the head > >in > >> my BX-150 may be showing signs of wear, but I'm not sure. Thank you all > >in > >> advance for your help! > >> > >> -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 19 09:30:07 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:00:07 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <20010419073007.CA5D51DFB2C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 19 13:56:45 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:56:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <20010419073007.CA5D51DFB2C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0c8c8$ea6e85a0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Kannan, Just to add a few notes, I used to have a bx150 with worn tire, faded off lettering etc but head is still smooth, also my friend's old 480 (w/ padlifter) still has smooth surface / no tape path wear. Imho 2 heads are more tough due to the leaner / more gradual hyperbolic head contact angle with the tape, as opposed to sharp contact on 3 head pb angle (given similar padlifter installed). I really have no idea how those previous owners used their decks to get to damage the head. Like you said, I also suspect that one techie tried to remove rust by using abrasive (visibly shiny surrounding area), but on the other two it's pure wear ! I even tried swapped heads b/w decks but got same pb result, hence no electronics fault. And the most ridiculous part is my 660 head with half winding dead. As Nick said - we're the lucky ones. :-( Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > Salim > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for the past two years non stop! > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes on one > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - since > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The other one > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted high > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. Kannan, can > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > >Cheers, > >SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 17:09:55 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:09:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <20010419073007.CA5D51DFB2C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3ADEFFC3.B0BFD5D0@yahoo.com> Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! Javier kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Salim > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for the past two years non stop! > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes on one > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - since > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The other one > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted high > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. Kannan, can > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > >Cheers, > >SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Apr 19 18:43:58 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:43:58 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426090@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that problem for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. on tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) at all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me to investigate the question on my own. Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get covered with lines. 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above after one single recording/playback easily. 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF (absolute leader). 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must have been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes listed in 3. 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" tapes. And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE (lavsan or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that call that annoyance into being. I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of times on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the last couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some pronounced more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than nowadays. Take care Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > Javier > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Salim > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for > the past two years non stop! > > kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes > on one > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - > since > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > other one > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted > high > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > Kannan, can > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > >Cheers, > > >SM > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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But I think the general Ebay attitude is changing > fast! > I just wanted to share this with you all! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Apr 20 00:10:11 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:10:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <200104192100.XAA12999@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <006c01c0c918$d3d62a00$e32f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3ADF622F.D338209C@pacbell.net> Hi Nakers, When one states that the ebay attitude is changing, what does that mean? Carlos wrote: > Perhaps he thinks that re-listing the item would earn him $500.00 for that > manual !!!!! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude > > > > > I won the auction for this NR-100 servicemanual on ebay (item #1227515998) > but > > the seller is relisting.... But I think the general Ebay attitude is > changing > > fast! > > I just wanted to share this with you all! > > > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Apr 20 02:03:18 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:03:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <20010419073007.CA5D51DFB2C@webmail.vsnl.com> <3ADEFFC3.B0BFD5D0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3ADF7CC6.DD1CDA5@snet.net> I used to have a Nak 600 that would leave a slight crease down the center of the tape. The head was pretty well grooved, but I was never able to determine if this was from the head or a pinch roller anomaly. Ed Javier Perez wrote: > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > Javier > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Salim > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for the past two years non stop! > > kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes on one > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - since > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The other one > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted high > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. Kannan, can > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > >Cheers, > > >SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Apr 20 02:08:39 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:08:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426090@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3ADF7E06.2388F00C@snet.net> Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused by the deck. I can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on my old 600 and then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. Interestingly, there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... in other words, the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility that the groove of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing it to crease at the centerline... pure conjecture though. Ed Igritski Nick wrote: > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that problem > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. on > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) at > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me to > investigate the question on my own. > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > covered with lines. > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above after > one single recording/playback easily. > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF (absolute > leader). > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must have > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes listed > in 3. > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > tapes. > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE (lavsan > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that call > that annoyance into being. > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of times > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the last > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some pronounced > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > nowadays. > > Take care > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > Javier > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > Salim > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for > > the past two years non stop! > > > kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes > > on one > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - > > since > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > other one > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted > > high > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > Kannan, can > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >SM > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Apr 20 02:14:53 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:14:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <200104192100.XAA12999@webmail1.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3ADF7F7C.9F89C38C@snet.net> There's good and there's bad and it's always been that way. I've learned much as a buyer about what I wouldn't want to do to people as a seller! Ed Wouter Heijke wrote: > I won the auction for this NR-100 servicemanual on ebay (item #1227515998) but > the seller is relisting.... But I think the general Ebay attitude is changing > fast! > I just wanted to share this with you all! > > Wouter > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at msn.com Fri Apr 20 02:17:55 2001 From: hzl88 at msn.com (marc) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:17:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <200104192100.XAA12999@webmail1.xs4all.nl><006c01c0c918$d3d62a00$e32f2ac4@coqui.net> <3ADF622F.D338209C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <002601c0c92f$5ac241a0$ddb31d3f@Marc> Hi All, Speaking of eBay, I just bought a DMP100 processor there, and it unfortunatly didn't come with a battery (although it does have a power supply, thank god). Anyone out there have one to sell or know where I can get one? Thanks, Marc Y. HZL88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay attitude > Hi Nakers, > > When one states that the ebay attitude is changing, what does that mean? > > Carlos wrote: > > > Perhaps he thinks that re-listing the item would earn him $500.00 for that > > manual !!!!! > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:00 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude > > > > > > > > I won the auction for this NR-100 servicemanual on ebay (item #1227515998) > > but > > > the seller is relisting.... But I think the general Ebay attitude is > > changing > > > fast! > > > I just wanted to share this with you all! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 09:23:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:23:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426090@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3ADFE3D4.A9DA6A7A@yahoo.com> Hi Nick Thanks for the info. Funny you should mention that. I use Maxells as standard. Recently I uncovered a few 90 minute BASF Chromedioxid Studio2 tapes that I bought back in 1980. They must have been played thousands of times on cheap boom box decks with names like Conic and Sound Design. Naturally the tapes are full of droipouts and have more hiss than music as well as lots of tangling induced damage but no lines! Javier Igritski Nick wrote: > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that problem > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. on > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) at > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me to > investigate the question on my own. > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > covered with lines. > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above after > one single recording/playback easily. > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF (absolute > leader). > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must have > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes listed > in 3. > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > tapes. > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE (lavsan > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that call > that annoyance into being. > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of times > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the last > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some pronounced > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > nowadays. > > Take care > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > Javier > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > Salim > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the condition > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency response as > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit on > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son for > > the past two years non stop! > > > kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass notes > > on one > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open gap. > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq - > > since > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > other one > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly muted > > high > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > Kannan, can > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >SM > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Apr 20 10:56:30 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 04:56:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426090@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3ADFE3D4.A9DA6A7A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B50B661.726C3737.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Javier, if you remember I also posted this question to the group long, long time ago. The answers (yours included) can be divided in two groups. 1. Construction of the cassette shell.  Tape during playback is being folded in such a way that the edges of the shell or some pecularities inside the shell due to subtlety of the tape base make these scratches along the tape. That's the most likely reason. 2.Damaged or worn out heads. Probably very rare cases 'cause I ran into this phenomemnon even on a brand new decks. Judging by my latest studies of the problem TDK (CDing series in particular) tapes made in Europe are suffered from this disease most of all. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 20 11:31:26 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:31:26 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426095@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> That's exactly what I have been talking about! According to my experience, dropouts are mainly caused by frequent toggling between rew/ff and pb modes as well as inferior tape transports as such. Even best Naks would cause dropouts on tapes if start/stop-mode is abused! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > Hi Nick > Thanks for the info. > Funny you should mention that. I use Maxells > as standard. Recently I uncovered a few 90 minute BASF > Chromedioxid Studio2 tapes that I bought back in 1980. > They must have been played thousands of times on > cheap boom box decks with names like Conic and > Sound Design. Naturally the tapes are full of droipouts > and have more hiss than music as well as lots of tangling > induced damage but no lines! > Javier > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > problem > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. > on > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) > at > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me > to > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > > covered with lines. > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > after > > one single recording/playback easily. > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > (absolute > > leader). > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > have > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes > listed > > in 3. > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > > tapes. > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > (lavsan > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that > call > > that annoyance into being. > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of > times > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > last > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > pronounced > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > > nowadays. > > > > Take care > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > Salim > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > condition > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > response as > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit > on > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son > for > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > notes > > > on one > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open > gap. > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq > - > > > since > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > > other one > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > muted > > > high > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > Kannan, can > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 20 12:11:48 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:11:48 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426096@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Ed, the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in my message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in favour of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the deck...". It is not. I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just purchased it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging all tapes without distinction. In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had been skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted in one of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down straight onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper adjustment everything works excellent now! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused by > the deck. I > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on my > old 600 and > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > Interestingly, > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... in > other words, > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility > that the groove > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing it > to crease at > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > Ed > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > problem > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. > on > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) > at > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me > to > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > > covered with lines. > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > after > > one single recording/playback easily. > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > (absolute > > leader). > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > have > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes > listed > > in 3. > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > > tapes. > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > (lavsan > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that > call > > that annoyance into being. > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of > times > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > last > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > pronounced > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > > nowadays. > > > > Take care > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > Salim > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > condition > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > response as > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit > on > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son > for > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > notes > > > on one > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open > gap. > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq > - > > > since > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > > other one > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > muted > > > high > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > Kannan, can > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 20 16:28:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:28:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426096@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AE0479A.C27A29A9@concentric.net> It have always theorized that creasing along the length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the latter. Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. However, design of the deck could either exacerbate or relieve the problem. Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous subject :-). -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Ed, > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in my > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in favour > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the > deck...". It is not. > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just purchased > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging all > tapes without distinction. > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had been > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted in one > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down straight > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper adjustment > everything works excellent now! > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused by > > the deck. I > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on my > > old 600 and > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > > Interestingly, > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... in > > other words, > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility > > that the groove > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing it > > to crease at > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > Ed > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > > problem > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. > > on > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) > > at > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me > > to > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > > > covered with lines. > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > > after > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > > (absolute > > > leader). > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > > have > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes > > listed > > > in 3. > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > > > tapes. > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > > (lavsan > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that > > call > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of > > times > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > > last > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > pronounced > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > > > nowadays. > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > > condition > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > response as > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit > > on > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son > > for > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > > notes > > > > on one > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open > > gap. > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq > > - > > > > since > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > > > other one > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > > muted > > > > high > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 20 16:42:31 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:42:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <200104192100.XAA12999@webmail1.xs4all.nl> <3ADF7F7C.9F89C38C@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AE04AD7.53253B13@concentric.net> Where I come from, there is a saying to the effect that he who was scorched by the soup, will blow on the yogurt... Last year, I was tricked by an ebay scumbag (I am not talking about some semi lies or half truths. This was a deliberate thief). This was a big time loss and as a result, I am now super extra careful about anything associated with ebay. As a buyer, I will NOT pay with *anything* except a credit card. If through PayPal, then ONLY to a 'verified' account. As to someone that reneges on their commitment, I would post a negative feedback and leave it at that. Life is too short to worry about the humanoid crap that inhabits this earth. Wouter, chalk it up to experience and move on... Enjoy the music, -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > There's good and there's bad and it's always been that way. I've learned much as a > buyer about what I wouldn't want to do to people as a seller! > > Ed > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > I won the auction for this NR-100 servicemanual on ebay (item #1227515998) but > > the seller is relisting.... But I think the general Ebay attitude is changing > > fast! > > I just wanted to share this with you all! > > > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 20 17:24:09 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:24:09 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42609E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Excellent point, Ron! To be 100% sure the fault is not with the deck, personally I use a cassette with that bulged part, where the heads and guides and stuff get sunken in, COMPLETELY sawed off. It hepls greatly! You can immediately see everything so clear! I know there are people out there, who will say it's not correct, that using such a cassette is sort of misleading and stuff. However, in praxis it works very, very well. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > It have always theorized that creasing along the > length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked > first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape > tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is > fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the > following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape > tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the > tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against > the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. > Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the > latter. > > Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part > of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree > that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. > However, design of the deck could either exacerbate > or relieve the problem. > > Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous > subject :-). > > -- Ron > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Ed, > > > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category > > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in my > > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in > favour > > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the > > deck...". It is not. > > > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just > purchased > > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging > all > > tapes without distinction. > > > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide > > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had been > > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted in > one > > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down > straight > > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper > adjustment > > everything works excellent now! > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused > by > > > the deck. I > > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on > my > > > old 600 and > > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > > > Interestingly, > > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... > in > > > other words, > > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility > > > that the groove > > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing > it > > > to crease at > > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > > > problem > > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the > collective > > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds > etc. > > > on > > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear > answer) > > > at > > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced > me > > > to > > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to > get > > > > covered with lines. > > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > > > after > > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those > manufactured by > > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > > > (absolute > > > > leader). > > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's > transport/heads > > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case > the > > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > > > have > > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck > is > > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those > tapes > > > listed > > > > in 3. > > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can > "damage" > > > > tapes. > > > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > > > (lavsan > > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of > PLASTIC > > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell > that > > > call > > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds > of > > > times > > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I > have > > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > > > last > > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > > pronounced > > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher > than > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > > > condition > > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > > response as > > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and > level > > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a > bit > > > on > > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I > never > > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my > son > > > for > > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > > > notes > > > > > on one > > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide > open > > > gap. > > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi > freq > > > - > > > > > since > > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. > The > > > > > other one > > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > > > muted > > > > > high > > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > >SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 20 20:11:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:11:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42609E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AE07BC3.4E836A69@concentric.net> Nick, I have a cassette that I sawed off the bulged part on one side only. You can still see the tape travel very well, and you can also see tape movement with relation to the cassette shell. Very handy for diagnosing a tape travel problem. -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Excellent point, Ron! > > To be 100% sure the fault is not with the deck, personally I use a cassette > with that bulged part, where the heads and guides and stuff get sunken in, > COMPLETELY sawed off. It hepls greatly! You can immediately see everything > so clear! I know there are people out there, who will say it's not correct, > that using such a cassette is sort of misleading and stuff. However, in > praxis it works very, very well. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > It have always theorized that creasing along the > > length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked > > first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape > > tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is > > fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the > > following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape > > tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the > > tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against > > the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. > > Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the > > latter. > > > > Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part > > of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree > > that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. > > However, design of the deck could either exacerbate > > or relieve the problem. > > > > Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous > > subject :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category > > > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in my > > > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in > > favour > > > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the > > > deck...". It is not. > > > > > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just > > purchased > > > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging > > all > > > tapes without distinction. > > > > > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide > > > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had been > > > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted in > > one > > > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down > > straight > > > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper > > adjustment > > > everything works excellent now! > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused > > by > > > > the deck. I > > > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on > > my > > > > old 600 and > > > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > > > > Interestingly, > > > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... > > in > > > > other words, > > > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility > > > > that the groove > > > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing > > it > > > > to crease at > > > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > > > > problem > > > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the > > collective > > > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds > > etc. > > > > on > > > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear > > answer) > > > > at > > > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced > > me > > > > to > > > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to > > get > > > > > covered with lines. > > > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > > > > after > > > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those > > manufactured by > > > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > > > > (absolute > > > > > leader). > > > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's > > transport/heads > > > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case > > the > > > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > > > > have > > > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck > > is > > > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those > > tapes > > > > listed > > > > > in 3. > > > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can > > "damage" > > > > > tapes. > > > > > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > > > > (lavsan > > > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of > > PLASTIC > > > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell > > that > > > > call > > > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds > > of > > > > times > > > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I > > have > > > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > > > > last > > > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > > > pronounced > > > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher > > than > > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > > > > condition > > > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > > > response as > > > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and > > level > > > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a > > bit > > > > on > > > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I > > never > > > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my > > son > > > > for > > > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > > > > notes > > > > > > on one > > > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide > > open > > > > gap. > > > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi > > freq > > > > - > > > > > > since > > > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. > > The > > > > > > other one > > > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > > > > muted > > > > > > high > > > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > >SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Apr 20 21:55:29 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:55:29 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42609F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> One more good idea... Will do myself the one like that. I like diversity. Thanks. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > Nick, > > I have a cassette that I sawed off the bulged part > on one side only. You can still see the tape travel > very well, and you can also see tape movement with > relation to the cassette shell. Very handy for > diagnosing a tape travel problem. > > -- Ron > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Excellent point, Ron! > > > > To be 100% sure the fault is not with the deck, personally I use a > cassette > > with that bulged part, where the heads and guides and stuff get sunken > in, > > COMPLETELY sawed off. It hepls greatly! You can immediately see > everything > > so clear! I know there are people out there, who will say it's not > correct, > > that using such a cassette is sort of misleading and stuff. However, in > > praxis it works very, very well. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:29 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > It have always theorized that creasing along the > > > length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked > > > first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape > > > tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is > > > fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the > > > following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape > > > tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the > > > tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against > > > the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. > > > Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the > > > latter. > > > > > > Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part > > > of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree > > > that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. > > > However, design of the deck could either exacerbate > > > or relieve the problem. > > > > > > Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous > > > subject :-). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the > category > > > > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in > my > > > > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in > > > favour > > > > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by > the > > > > deck...". It is not. > > > > > > > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just > > > purchased > > > > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was > damaging > > > all > > > > tapes without distinction. > > > > > > > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape > guide > > > > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had > been > > > > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted > in > > > one > > > > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down > > > straight > > > > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper > > > adjustment > > > > everything works excellent now! > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly > caused > > > by > > > > > the deck. I > > > > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape > on > > > my > > > > > old 600 and > > > > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an > inch. > > > > > Interestingly, > > > > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was > stopped... > > > in > > > > > other words, > > > > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the > possibility > > > > > that the groove > > > > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and > causing > > > it > > > > > to crease at > > > > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over > that > > > > > problem > > > > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the > > > collective > > > > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, > folds > > > etc. > > > > > on > > > > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear > > > answer) > > > > > at > > > > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This > forced > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used > to > > > get > > > > > > covered with lines. > > > > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way > above > > > > > after > > > > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those > > > manufactured by > > > > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, > BASF > > > > > (absolute > > > > > > leader). > > > > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's > > > transport/heads > > > > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this > case > > > the > > > > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all > must > > > > > have > > > > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the > deck > > > is > > > > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those > > > tapes > > > > > listed > > > > > > in 3. > > > > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can > > > "damage" > > > > > > tapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations > above: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE > BASE > > > > > (lavsan > > > > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of > > > PLASTIC > > > > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette > shell > > > that > > > > > call > > > > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played > hundreds > > > of > > > > > times > > > > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other > hand, I > > > have > > > > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during > the > > > > > last > > > > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > > > > pronounced > > > > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, > that > > > > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly > higher > > > than > > > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked > the > > > > > condition > > > > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > > > > response as > > > > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias > and > > > level > > > > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was > off a > > > bit > > > > > on > > > > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. > I > > > never > > > > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour > by my > > > son > > > > > for > > > > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but > bass > > > > > notes > > > > > > > on one > > > > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely > wide > > > open > > > > > gap. > > > > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no > hi > > > freq > > > > > - > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the > difference. > > > The > > > > > > > other one > > > > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have > slightly > > > > > muted > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn > out. > > > > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > > >SM > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Apr 20 22:24:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:24:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Wear 101 Message-ID: <10.ba010a3.2811f50a@aol.com> Thank you to all of you for your responses and help in answering my question. I truly appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Apr 20 22:50:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:50:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude Message-ID: In a message dated 4/20/2001 9:44:49 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Where I come from, there is a saying to the effect that he who was scorched by the soup, will blow on the yogurt... Last year, I was tricked by an ebay scumbag (I am not talking about some semi lies or half truths. This was a deliberate thief). This was a big time loss and as a result, I am now super extra careful about anything associated with ebay. As a buyer, I will NOT pay with *anything* except a credit card. If through PayPal, then ONLY to a 'verified' account. As to someone that reneges on their commitment, I would post a negative feedback and leave it at that. Life is too short to worry about the humanoid crap that inhabits this earth. Wouter, chalk it up to experience and move on... Enjoy the music, -- Ron >> Sorry to learn of your eBay experience Wouter. Listed below is a link to a TechTV webpage that offers extremely valuable advise and safeguards regarding online auction purchases. I pray this prevents any of my fellow NakTalkers from having a bad auction experience. -Sam http://www.techtv.com/cybercrime/internetfraud/story/0,23008,3320939,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 21 00:46:49 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:46:49 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Wear 101 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> You're welcome! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tape Head Wear 101 > > Thank you to all of you for your responses and help in answering my > question. > I truly appreciate it! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sat Apr 21 01:17:36 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:17:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: Message-ID: <000e01c0c9f0$16c7c9e0$6b9c42d8@idirect.com> With regard to deadbeat sellers, there is not too much that E-bay can do to force them to honor their auction, provided no money has been paid. I recently won an auction for a very expensive watch that the seller obviously felt was worth more than I had bid on it, despite there being no reserve price. After going through all the necessary steps, I reported the matter to E-bay and all they could do was write her a warning letter that she must not do that again. Of course, I left negative feedback for her, but since she had no previous feedback, it hurt her little. All she has to do is register under a different name, or change her E-bay identity. Nonetheless, this sort of problem has been in my experience, the exception rather than the rule, and it was really no skin off my back anyway. Over the last couple of years I have been involved in hundreds of transactions and even when I have sent cash in the mail, as much as $150.00 to Germany, sometimes in non-E-bay transactions, I got everything I paid for and often more. In my opinion, the majority of sellers and honorable. However, I would never buy from someone who has more than 5% negative feedback. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Apr 21 03:26:18 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:26:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <006d01c0ca02$116745e0$ed05efd1@kevinrog> Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America (Canada specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from Germany that could check out the site and let me know? Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 21 04:38:01 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:38:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426096@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE0479A.C27A29A9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3AE0F286.EE1B6EC5@snet.net> Some interesting feedback on this topic that has proven quite enlightening... I may be wrong in my initial assumption that the problem lies with my old 600. The only question would be why the same new tape that creases with the 600 does not crease when played on a non pad lifter single capstan two head BX series. Perhaps a tape tension issue? It is also interesting to note that as visually alarming as it is to see such a crease, I can think of no time when I ever noticed any audible side effect. Ed Ron wrote: > It have always theorized that creasing along the > length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked > first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape > tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is > fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the > following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape > tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the > tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against > the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. > Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the > latter. > > Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part > of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree > that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. > However, design of the deck could either exacerbate > or relieve the problem. > > Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous > subject :-). > > -- Ron > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Ed, > > > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category > > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in my > > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in favour > > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the > > deck...". It is not. > > > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just purchased > > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging all > > tapes without distinction. > > > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide > > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had been > > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted in one > > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down straight > > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper adjustment > > everything works excellent now! > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly caused by > > > the deck. I > > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape on my > > > old 600 and > > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > > > Interestingly, > > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was stopped... in > > > other words, > > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the possibility > > > that the groove > > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and causing it > > > to crease at > > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over that > > > problem > > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the collective > > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, folds etc. > > > on > > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear answer) > > > at > > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This forced me > > > to > > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to get > > > > covered with lines. > > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way above > > > after > > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those manufactured by > > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > > > (absolute > > > > leader). > > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's transport/heads > > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this case the > > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all must > > > have > > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck is > > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those tapes > > > listed > > > > in 3. > > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can "damage" > > > > tapes. > > > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE BASE > > > (lavsan > > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of PLASTIC > > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell that > > > call > > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played hundreds of > > > times > > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, I have > > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during the > > > last > > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > > pronounced > > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, that > > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly higher than > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > > > condition > > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > > response as > > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and level > > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off a bit > > > on > > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I never > > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by my son > > > for > > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but bass > > > notes > > > > > on one > > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide open > > > gap. > > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi freq > > > - > > > > > since > > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. The > > > > > other one > > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have slightly > > > muted > > > > > high > > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn out. > > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > >SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Apr 21 06:07:55 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:37:55 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape mark & others Message-ID: <20010421040755.1DF3C1DFBD2@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 06:24:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:24:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> <006d01c0ca02$116745e0$ed05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <3AE10B60.5B24D104@yahoo.com> Best thing to do is e-mail them in plain English They'll understand. They have no choice. See Ya Javier Kevin Rogers wrote: > Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was > interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University > is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America (Canada > specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from > Germany that could check out the site and let me know? > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sat Apr 21 07:01:19 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:01:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] buying from Germany In-Reply-To: <006d01c0ca02$116745e0$ed05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: In traveling to Germany, I found that most people speak a little English, if not absolutely fluent. When you get out of the cities or tourist areas, then you may have a bit more trouble. I have found the web page link below to be invaluable for buying from Germany or many other places, or just communicating. It's Alta Vista's (the search engine people) online translator. Just paste in the paragraph or sentence you want translated and hit the button. It works for many languages including German, French, Spanish and a number of other languages. http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn Hope that helps. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 09:08:23 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:08:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape mark & others References: <20010421040755.1DF3C1DFBD2@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AE131E7.26D23741@yahoo.com> In the past I've noticed that the crease tends to occur in the centre of the tape and thus doesn't affect sound quality. but I also have tapes with as many as 3 lines, one in the middle and one between each channel! In this case dropouts do occur at times. I think they were played on my magnificent but now retired Teac A-400. from 1974. What a deck! I still miss the rotary controls. curling and lines may have something to do with tape tensioning. The tighter the tape is the more likely that an impperfection on a transport surface either in the cassette or in the deck can leave a lasting impression. Decks with passive or frictional tensioning and single capstans may get too tight after awhile. I'm sure there must be a standard tape tension but they may not pay too much attrention to it on the cheaper decks. Excessive head pressure may also be the culprit. In the past when I have noticed creasing on a new cassette, I've stopped the tape pulled it out and noticed that the portion of tape before the head is not creased but the portion after it is. I haven't tried it with a pad lifting deck though. I'm just speculating of course. Javier kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > I have seen even tape curling- after several use- doe not affect play back sound quality but you can hear noticeable change of quality in recording. This is the reason why you calibrate using brand new blank tapes. > > However the crease like mark is in the center of the tape( hope others had the mark in middle ?) and doesnot affect the sound as that portion is not used in recording! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > >Some interesting feedback on this topic that has proven quite enlightening... I may be > >wrong in my initial assumption that the problem lies with my old 600. The only > >question would be why the same new tape that creases with the 600 does not crease when > >played on a non pad lifter single capstan two head BX series. Perhaps a tape tension > >issue? It is also interesting to note that as visually alarming as it is to see such a > >crease, I can think of no time when I ever noticed any audible side effect. > > > >Ed > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 21 12:46:01 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:46:01 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Just my two cents... If you have intentions to buy anything in Germany, you better wait for Monday (23.04), when our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt will return from vacation. He's a German citizen and very nice guy to deal with. He will presumably be able to help you with a good advice at least. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers [SMTP:ktrogers at execulink.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:26 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was > interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University > is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America > (Canada > specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from > Germany that could check out the site and let me know? > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 21 13:08:19 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:08:19 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A5@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Ed, 1. From the "tape travelling" point of view both 600 and 2-head BX'es have virtually no differences: single capstan, 2-heads, no pressure pad lifters etc. 2. As a rule, tape creasing in general has NOTHING to do with a deck model, presence of 1, 2 or more capstans, availability or unavailability of any pp-lifters etc. UNLESS the transport of a particular deck is out of adjustment. This is why your 600 does crease the tapes, and BX doesn't. I can only advise you to read the story of my own 600 (see below) one more time. 3. Excessive or missing tape tension is not an issue, especially with single capstan decks. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > Some interesting feedback on this topic that has proven quite > enlightening... I may be > wrong in my initial assumption that the problem lies with my old 600. The > only > question would be why the same new tape that creases with the 600 does not > crease when > played on a non pad lifter single capstan two head BX series. Perhaps a > tape tension > issue? It is also interesting to note that as visually alarming as it is > to see such a > crease, I can think of no time when I ever noticed any audible side > effect. > > Ed > > Ron wrote: > > > It have always theorized that creasing along the > > length of the tape is caused by misaligned/crooked > > first tape guide, coupled with insufficient tape > > tension. When this scenario occurs, the tape is > > fed at an angle and the tape edge rubs against the > > following, stationary, guide. As a result, the tape > > tends to bow (as viewed in a cross section of the > > tape) and is creased by the pinch roller against > > the capstan, or the pressure pad against the head. > > Decks that have a pad lifter would eliminate the > > latter. > > > > Because the tape guides in audio cassettes are part > > of the cassette, not the head, I would tend to agree > > that the fault is not with the deck, but the cassette. > > However, design of the deck could either exacerbate > > or relieve the problem. > > > > Just my $0.02 worth of wisdom on this momentous > > subject :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > the experience you had with your 600 falls straight into the category > > > "misaligned or worn out tape transport/heads" - I wrote about it in > my > > > message (see below). Therefore, it cannot be used as an argument in > favour > > > of the statement, that "...the damage is most certainly caused by the > > > deck...". It is not. > > > > > > I own a 600 as well and I have to say, that at the time I had just > purchased > > > it was handling the tapes in the way similar to yours! It was damaging > all > > > tapes without distinction. > > > > > > In my case the reason for this had been not only that metal tape guide > > > attached to the r/pb head -- it's cogs, that embrace the tape, had > been > > > skewed! -- but wrong height of the erase head as well, that resulted > in one > > > of it's metal tape guide pins sticking out of the head coming down > straight > > > onto the tape, instead of being alongside. However, after proper > adjustment > > > everything works excellent now! > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:09 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > Just two cents worth on my part... the damage is most certainly > caused by > > > > the deck. I > > > > can say this for certain as I tried playing brand new perfect tape > on my > > > > old 600 and > > > > then stopped the tape, removed it and manually backed it up an inch. > > > > Interestingly, > > > > there is a crease right up to the point where playback was > stopped... in > > > > other words, > > > > the deck caused the tape crease. I had theorized about the > possibility > > > > that the groove > > > > of the head was compressing the width of the tape slightly and > causing it > > > > to crease at > > > > the centerline... pure conjecture though. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > Very, very interesting question, Javier! Me myself puzzled over > that > > > > problem > > > > > for a real real while. If you can remember, I even asked the > collective > > > > > wisdom of our group as to what can cause those traces, lines, > folds etc. > > > > on > > > > > tapes to appear. There had been no answer (or at least no clear > answer) > > > > at > > > > > all, as if nobody experienced the phenomenon described. This > forced me > > > > to > > > > > investigate the question on my own. > > > > > > > > > > Here are some observations (not bound to a certain deck): > > > > > > > > > > 1. A tape doesn't have to be old, known bad or frequently used to > get > > > > > covered with lines. > > > > > 2. Even just unwrapped brand new tapes can be damaged the way > above > > > > after > > > > > one single recording/playback easily. > > > > > 3. The tapes subjected to damage to the utmost are those > manufactured by > > > > > Maxell, then TDK, then Sony. > > > > > 4. The tape subjected to damage least of all are Fuji, Denon, BASF > > > > (absolute > > > > > leader). > > > > > 5. Assumption that something is wrong with the deck's > transport/heads > > > > > "leaving those lines" seems to be generally unsound, as in this > case the > > > > > deck should not care whether it played Maxell or BASF. They all > must > > > > have > > > > > been damaged the same way. It ain't so in reality (unless the deck > is > > > > > totally undermaintained, naturally). Decks seem to prefer those > tapes > > > > listed > > > > > in 3. > > > > > 6. Even good condition, perfectly aligned and cleaned Naks can > "damage" > > > > > tapes. > > > > > > > > > > And here is the main deduction based upon the observations above: > > > > > > > > > > It's not to a deck mechanics, it's rather to qualities of TAPE > BASE > > > > (lavsan > > > > > or something) as well as (to still greater extent!) to those of > PLASTIC > > > > > PARTS (rollers, envelopes etc.) located within the cassette shell > that > > > > call > > > > > that annoyance into being. > > > > > > > > > > I have a lot tapes, which are 15 years old and were played > hundreds of > > > > times > > > > > on different decks. Most of them (90%) are OK. On the other hand, > I have > > > > > still more tapes (and good tapes, not fakes!) I purchased during > the > > > > last > > > > > couple of years. A good third of them share that damage (on some > > > > pronounced > > > > > more, on some less). All this makes me to come to a conclusion, > that > > > > > formerly the general manufacturing quality was significantly > higher than > > > > > nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:10 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > > > > Do worn heads leave an impression on the tape? > > > > > > I have a few non Nak decks that leave 1 or more > > > > > > continous lines down the tape. Naturally I don't use them! > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > > > > Yeah my BX1 head has the tape path wear visible. I checked the > > > > condition > > > > > > of the head by record & replay performance both high frequency > > > > response as > > > > > > well as quality of sound reproduction. After I did the bias and > level > > > > > > adjustment, the quality had improved as the bias setting was off > a bit > > > > on > > > > > > normal tape while Chrome and Metal had also little variation. I > never > > > > > > found any other problem and the deck is used atleast an hour by > my son > > > > for > > > > > > the past two years non stop! > > > > > > > kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki > > > > > > > >Hi Kannan & Sam, > > > > > > > >On one of my worn head, I actually can't hear anything but > bass > > > > notes > > > > > > on one > > > > > > > >channel - no vocal no nothing but that's with extremely wide > open > > > > gap. > > > > > > > >Other which opened a little bit plays fine on vocal but no hi > freq > > > > - > > > > > > since > > > > > > > >one channel is still good, I can clearly hear the difference. > The > > > > > > other one > > > > > > > >with no open gap is quite strange as both channel have > slightly > > > > muted > > > > > > high > > > > > > > >freq (on 'peak' azimuth alignment). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So I'd say they're all on different 'stages' of being worn > out. > > > > > > Kannan, can > > > > > > > >you see any 'carved in' tape path on your bx 1's head ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > >SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 21 13:31:48 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:31:48 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape mark & others Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> As I already said, both lines and curling have nothing to do with tape tension or heads pressure, UNLESS (I emphasize it!) something is extremely wrong with the mechanics of either cassette or deck. Detailed explanations as to where do the lines come from have already been given. Curling results from 2 things: a) really bad, subjected to stretching/deformations TAPE BASE (TDK D or SA-X are the most demonstrative models) ~60% of cases b) abusing play-stop-rew-ff-play modus operandi ~40% of cases Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:08 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape mark & others > > In the past I've noticed that the crease tends to occur in the centre > of the tape and thus doesn't affect sound quality. but I also have tapes > with as many as 3 lines, one in the middle and one between each channel! > In this case dropouts do occur at times. I think they were played on my > magnificent but now retired Teac A-400. from 1974. What a deck! > I still miss the rotary controls. > curling and lines may have something to do with tape tensioning. > The tighter the tape is the more likely that an impperfection on a > transport > surface either in the cassette or in the deck can leave a lasting > impression. > Decks with passive or frictional tensioning and single capstans may get > too tight > after awhile. I'm sure there must be a standard tape tension but they may > not > pay too much attrention to it on the cheaper decks. > Excessive head pressure may also be the culprit. In the past when I have > noticed creasing > on a new cassette, I've stopped the tape pulled it out and noticed that > the portion of tape > before the head is not creased but the portion after it is. I haven't > tried it with a pad lifting > deck though. > > I'm just speculating of course. > > > Javier > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > I have seen even tape curling- after several use- doe not affect play > back sound quality but you can hear noticeable change of quality in > recording. This is the reason why you calibrate using brand new blank > tapes. > > > > However the crease like mark is in the center of the tape( hope others > had the mark in middle ?) and doesnot affect the sound as that portion is > not used in recording! > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Noyes > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > >Some interesting feedback on this topic that has proven quite > enlightening... I may be > > >wrong in my initial assumption that the problem lies with my old 600. > The only > > >question would be why the same new tape that creases with the 600 does > not crease when > > >played on a non pad lifter single capstan two head BX series. Perhaps a > tape tension > > >issue? It is also interesting to note that as visually alarming as it > is to see such a > > >crease, I can think of no time when I ever noticed any audible side > effect. > > > > > >Ed > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 21 14:36:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:36:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F42609F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001b01c0ca5f$e3649ea0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, Just a quickie here :-) ... yours was exactly the kind of 'modified' tape shell that I used to get to see tape travel and to align the head. I'll also try Ron's soon. Seems like everybody's having nice vacation here ! See ? we're still the lucky ones. :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > One more good idea... Will do myself the one like that. I like diversity. > Thanks. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > Nick, > > > > I have a cassette that I sawed off the bulged part > > on one side only. You can still see the tape travel > > very well, and you can also see tape movement with > > relation to the cassette shell. Very handy for > > diagnosing a tape travel problem. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Apr 21 15:29:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:29:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <000e01c0c9f0$16c7c9e0$6b9c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <3AE18B37.13DF35B2@concentric.net> Roland Alford wrote: > > With regard to deadbeat sellers, there is not too much that E-bay can do to > force them to honor their auction, provided no money has been paid. > > I recently won an auction for a very expensive watch that the seller > obviously felt was worth more than I had bid on it, despite there being no > reserve price. > > After going through all the necessary steps, I reported the matter to E-bay > and all they could do was write her a warning letter that she must not do > that again. Of course, I left negative feedback for her, but since she had > no previous feedback, it hurt her little. All she has to do is register > under a different name, or change her E-bay identity. > > Nonetheless, this sort of problem has been in my experience, the exception > rather than the rule, and it was really no skin off my back anyway. Over > the last couple of years I have been involved in hundreds of transactions > and even when I have sent cash in the mail, as much as $150.00 to Germany, > sometimes in non-E-bay transactions, I got everything I paid for and often > more. > > In my opinion, the majority of sellers and honorable. However, I would never > buy from someone who has more than 5% negative feedback. > > --Roland The person that took my money and disappeared had 149 positive feedback posts on ebay. It was no consolation that I was the first he stole from. -- Ron feedback ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 21 16:31:01 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:31:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: <000d01c0c226$a87416e0$1e06efd1@kevinrog> <006d01c0ca02$116745e0$ed05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <001101c0ca6f$b0d0abe0$b2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Compose a few lines saying what you want then go to http://babel.altavista.com/tr Paste your little speech there, convert to German. Copy the translation and then paste it to an e-mail. Or copy the German on their web page and drop it into the translator above. It works very well and is done in a flash. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was > interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University > is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America (Canada > specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from > Germany that could check out the site and let me know? > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sat Apr 21 16:55:04 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:55:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <000e01c0c9f0$16c7c9e0$6b9c42d8@idirect.com> <3AE18B37.13DF35B2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000a01c0ca73$0d538100$689c42d8@idirect.com> E-bay has an insurance system and buyers are allowed to make claims once a month. $25.00 deductible. If the amount was significant that you lost, why not use this option? Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Apr 21 17:52:55 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:52:55 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A7@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> It's so nice to finally get at least some positive response! Just like it's much more useful and educative to create something with your own hands, try it and only after doing so determine whether the gadget what you were advised to make sucks or helps. BTW, I'm going to make Ron's thing as well. To be perfectly honest, now I'm deeply convinced, that in order to obtain really comprehensive information on tape travelling one has to have 3 special cassettes: the one shown in Nak Service Manuals, mine and Ron's. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 5:37 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > Hi Nick, > > Just a quickie here :-) ... yours was exactly the kind of 'modified' tape > shell that I used to get to see tape travel and to align the head. I'll > also try Ron's soon. > > Seems like everybody's having nice vacation here ! See ? we're still the > lucky ones. :-( > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:55 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > One more good idea... Will do myself the one like that. I like > diversity. > > Thanks. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:11 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape head wear > > > > > > > > > Nick, > > > > > > I have a cassette that I sawed off the bulged part > > > on one side only. You can still see the tape travel > > > very well, and you can also see tape movement with > > > relation to the cassette shell. Very handy for > > > diagnosing a tape travel problem. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Apr 21 17:55:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:55:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude References: <000e01c0c9f0$16c7c9e0$6b9c42d8@idirect.com> <3AE18B37.13DF35B2@concentric.net> <000a01c0ca73$0d538100$689c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <3AE1AD56.295530EF@concentric.net> Roland Alford wrote: > > E-bay has an insurance system and buyers are allowed to make claims once a > month. $25.00 deductible. If the amount was significant that you lost, why > not use this option? > > Roland That's a comparatively new option, as is the PayPal verified account. Just to anticipate your next question, ebay showed no interest, their Square Trade service rejected all my posts, the Mail Fraud department of the US post office stated the thief could not be located (took them 45 days to arrive at this conclusion), the thief's state Attorney General never responded to my letter and my State Attorney General thought I should sue him (!!!). I have no idea what the Internet Fraud web site did with my submitted form -- they probably filed it away, I never heard back from them. My strict rule now is: if a seller does not accept credit cards directly or does not have a verified PayPal account, I do not deal, period! Regardless of how much I may want the item. Regardless of how good a deal it seems to be. You may assume that "most sellers are honorable" and that may even be fine for you. The only time I made that assumption, I got burned, badly. I will not make such an assumption again. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat Apr 21 17:58:10 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:58:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude Message-ID: FYI-I submitted a claim to e-Bay's so called insurance back in December & as of today, I still have not heard anything from them. I purchased an advertised 'mint' Pioneer RT-707 from a e-Bay seller and the deck I received was far from that. I paid top dollar for this mint deck. There were scratches and rust all over the face and cabinet. Heads that were around 50% worn. Obviously a fraudulent sale. Never a response from the many e-mails I sent to the seller. e-Bay did nothing. Their response, we are a middle man in the sale & we can't take a side. And the insurance claim? Worthless. What a joke. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat Apr 21 18:01:45 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:01:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany Message-ID: I also had a friend tell me of the AltaVista translation site. I purchased some stuff from a guy in Switzerland. Kind of funny, he left me feedback in Swiss. Just did as u say John, posted the sentence, & got the translation in English. Very cool. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 21 18:36:16 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:36:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: Message-ID: <02ab01c0ca81$306c9bf0$b2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Works great don't it!!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: BJGRADY at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] buying from germany I also had a friend tell me of the AltaVista translation site. I purchased some stuff from a guy in Switzerland. Kind of funny, he left me feedback in Swiss. Just did as u say John, posted the sentence, & got the translation in English. Very cool. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat Apr 21 19:43:55 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:43:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany Message-ID: BTW-That was the hubs I was talking about John. Finally got them, although it took two months to make the trek across the world! Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 21 20:15:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:15:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: Message-ID: <002101c0ca8f$116c05c0$b0496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> So they were sent via Surface Mail now called something else. Glad you got them. I just had Post Office pay on a pair that never arrived in Honolulu via Priority Mail. I think somebody saw the $400 insurance tag and figured they were onto something and lifted them only to probably toss them away. John ----- Original Message ----- From: BJGRADY at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] buying from germany BTW-That was the hubs I was talking about John. Finally got them, although it took two months to make the trek across the world! Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at Stager.com Sat Apr 21 21:08:33 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay attitude In-Reply-To: <3AE1AD56.295530EF@concentric.net> References: <000e01c0c9f0$16c7c9e0$6b9c42d8@idirect.com> <3AE18B37.13DF35B2@concentric.net> <000a01c0ca73$0d538100$689c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010421150703.00be35c0@mail.verizon.net> Actually, eBay ain't half bad... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1425563794 __________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sun Apr 22 06:09:08 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:09:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My comment will remind you about the "funny" regarding cars and clutches ... It is interesting to hear about "Swiss" as in language. Switzerland, although the size let's say of Illinois at best, has four official languages - none of which is "Swiss." French around Geneva area, German around Zurich area, Italian around the Italian boarder, plus there is this old Romanic language less frequently used. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of BJGRADY at aol.com Sent: Sat, April 21, 2001 11:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] buying from germany I also had a friend tell me of the AltaVista translation site. I purchased some stuff from a guy in Switzerland. Kind of funny, he left me feedback in Swiss. Just did as u say John, posted the sentence, & got the translation in English. Very cool. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Sun Apr 22 06:31:37 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:31:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language Message-ID: <45.566c917.2813b8a9@aol.com> Thanks for pointing that out. It seemed kind of funny using the word Swiss for a language. After I wrote it, I figured it was wrong. Learn something new everyday. Went to Colorado once. Other than that, being born & raised in California, that's about the furthest East I have traveled. Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Sun Apr 22 09:55:01 2001 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 03:55:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language Message-ID: <102.2132e7f.2813e855@aol.com> Swiss is actually what we call Swiss German that is spoken in the northern part of Switzerland.It is actually a dialect.It is though very different from what is High German spoken in Germany.Swiss german speaking Swiss will speak Swiss German at school but actually learn to write and speak in High German ! (there is no written form of Swiss German) >From a Swiss living in LA. Regards, Jean-Pierre Bieri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 14:44:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:44:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - tape mark & others References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260A6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hello Nick, It seems to me that just an important point was not yet noticed, which go to the sense of your conclusions. These lines are convex if I observe them magnetic coating side. Concave if I consider at them back, tape base side. Besides, from the tape base side, we can see more lines, those ones of matt aspect. It is evident if you take out the tape in a buckle about 2 cm, which allows you to see 2 sides of the tape. It proves us that built in tape guides of certain cassettes shells are abrasive and btw hurts just the back of the tape. hmm.. surely once the tape base scratched so, and being rolled up in spool, can hurts the coating indirectly by friction or pressure. Matyas > As I already said, both lines and curling have nothing to do with tape > tension or heads pressure, UNLESS (I emphasize it!) something is extremely > wrong with the mechanics of either cassette or deck. > > Detailed explanations as to where do the lines come from have already been > given. > > Curling results from 2 things: > > a) really bad, subjected to stretching/deformations TAPE BASE (TDK D or SA-X > are the most demonstrative models) ~60% of cases > b) abusing play-stop-rew-ff-play modus operandi ~40% of cases > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 15:04:33 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:04:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language References: <102.2132e7f.2813e855@aol.com> Message-ID: Salutation de Genève Jean-Pierre ! Nice Stan ! But Romanic as you mention it, is very rare (only spoken in one canton) and is noticed by some as a/the real swiss tongue. Matyas > >My comment will remind you about the "funny" regarding cars and clutches ... It is interesting to hear about "Swiss" as in language. Switzerland, although the size let's say of Illinois at best, has four official languages - none of which is "Swiss." French around Geneva area, German around Zurich area, Italian around the Italian boarder, plus there is this old Romanic language less frequently used. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 14:29:50 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:29:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism Message-ID: It is a subject in which I wonder since a moment, in light since I adjust convergences and geometry for television screen. In manuals it is told to you to turn in the East or on the West the screen before of the degaussing and convergences and geometry adjustments, to reduce the effect of the geomagnetism. I have a TEAC demagnetizer and the well known electronic TDK cassette . The best results that I always obtained were brought by TDK DEGAUSSER. My decks are directed in front of the South. When I take away the demagnetizer wand from the deck, I take away it in South. Logically, should I not rather direct my decks forehead to east / west so that very crucial movement of estrangement of the wand operates least disrupted possible? (in magnetic field:-) The fact which the TDK degauss in a static way "nulls" the geomagnetic disturbance effect. Is there any good idea in my reflections ? Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 22 17:09:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:09:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism References: Message-ID: <3AE2F419.CA9DCE78@concentric.net> Matyas wrote: > > It is a subject in which I wonder since a moment, in light since I adjust > convergences and geometry for television screen. > In manuals it is told to you to turn in the East or on the West the screen > before of the degaussing and convergences and geometry adjustments, to > reduce the effect of the geomagnetism. > > I have a TEAC demagnetizer and the well known electronic TDK cassette . > The best results that I always obtained were brought by TDK DEGAUSSER. > My decks are directed in front of the South. > When I take away the demagnetizer wand from the deck, I take away it in > South. > Logically, should I not rather direct my decks forehead to east / west so > that very crucial movement of estrangement of the wand operates least > disrupted possible? (in magnetic field:-) > > The fact which the TDK degauss in a static way "nulls" the geomagnetic > disturbance effect. > Is there any good idea in my reflections ? > > Matyas > I always thought that the earth magnetic field is completely negligible with respect to effect on tape recordings. It's about 1/2 Oe (Oersted), while coercivity of audio cassette tapes is in the range of, say, 400 Oe to 700 Oe. Of course, coercivity refers to the magnetic field strength required for complete erasure. The 'danger level' (meaning, the level starting to cause distortion) is probably about 10% of that. Even so, the earth magnetic field is a small faction of 1% of the danger level for most reasonable quality cassettes. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Sun Apr 22 19:00:50 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:00:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language Message-ID: Man, now it's getting totally confusing! Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The bottom line is that there are 4 official languages in Switzerland. The most common are German and French. The Romanic (Swiss) is used in one canton - and according to our friend it is only a spoken version. Thus, my comment to the original note of someone using Altavista to translate between English and Swiss was that it must have been beteen English and either French or German. Enough from me about that. Back to Naks ... I wish Raymond were still here - he would get us straight right away - anyone remembers how to sy MORON in Swiss? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of BJGRADY at aol.com Sent: Sun, April 22, 2001 12:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] buying from germany - Swiss Language Man, now it's getting totally confusing! Cal John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 03:40:16 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism In-Reply-To: <3AE2F419.CA9DCE78@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010423014016.77797.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matyas & Ron, I'm very surprised to see that my BX rotor have strong enough power to pull up a screw ! If this magnet behind cassette well is also negligible then I wouldn't worry about mother earth. Best regards, Salim SM --- Ron wrote: > Matyas wrote: > > > > It is a subject in which I wonder since a moment, > in light since I adjust > > convergences and geometry for television screen. > > In manuals it is told to you to turn in the East > or on the West the screen > > before of the degaussing and convergences and > geometry adjustments, to > > reduce the effect of the geomagnetism. > > > > I have a TEAC demagnetizer and the well known > electronic TDK cassette . > > The best results that I always obtained were > brought by TDK DEGAUSSER. > > My decks are directed in front of the South. > > When I take away the demagnetizer wand from the > deck, I take away it in > > South. > > Logically, should I not rather direct my decks > forehead to east / west so > > that very crucial movement of estrangement of the > wand operates least > > disrupted possible? (in magnetic field:-) > > > > The fact which the TDK degauss in a static way > "nulls" the geomagnetic > > disturbance effect. > > Is there any good idea in my reflections ? > > > > Matyas > > > > I always thought that the earth magnetic field > is completely negligible with respect to effect > on tape recordings. It's about 1/2 Oe (Oersted), > while coercivity of audio cassette tapes is in > the range of, say, 400 Oe to 700 Oe. > > Of course, coercivity refers to the magnetic > field strength required for complete erasure. > The 'danger level' (meaning, the level starting > to cause distortion) is probably about 10% of > that. Even so, the earth magnetic field is a > small faction of 1% of the danger level for most > reasonable quality cassettes. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Apr 23 10:05:55 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:05:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany Message-ID: <200104230805.f3N85tZ16453@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Thank you Nick for the recommendation. Kevin: I've heard some bad things in German eBay according "HiFi-Classics". They sold several items there and got about 10% negative comments under different (!) accounts. So buying there is probably a risk . . . Klaus -----Original Message----- From: Igritski Nick [SMTP:Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:46 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] buying from germany Importance: High Just my two cents... If you have intentions to buy anything in Germany, you better wait for Monday (23.04), when our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt will return from vacation. He's a German citizen and very nice guy to deal with. He will presumably be able to help you with a good advice at least. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers [SMTP:ktrogers at execulink.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:26 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany > > Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was > interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University > is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America > (Canada > specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from > Germany that could check out the site and let me know? > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________________ Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de Die große Welt der Kommunikation: E-Mail, Fax, SMS, WAP: http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Apr 24 02:25:58 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:25:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: <200104230805.f3N85tZ16453@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <003301c0cc55$231159c0$fa06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Fendt" To: "nak" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] buying from germany > Thank you Nick for the recommendation. > Kevin: I've heard some bad things in German eBay according "HiFi-Classics". > They sold several items there and got about 10% negative comments under different (!) accounts. > So buying there is probably a risk . . . > > Klaus Hi Klaus. Thanks for the info. Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick [SMTP:Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:46 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] buying from germany > Importance: High > > Just my two cents... If you have intentions to buy anything in Germany, you > better wait for Monday (23.04), when our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt will return > from vacation. He's a German citizen and very nice guy to deal with. He will > presumably be able to help you with a good advice at least. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Rogers [SMTP:ktrogers at execulink.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:26 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany > > > > Hi all. I visited a web page for Hi-ficlassiscs in germany and was > > interested in buying a deck I saw there. However my German from University > > is not very good and I can't tell if they will ship to North America > > (Canada > > specifically) or if shipping would be too costly. Anyone on the list from > > Germany that could check out the site and let me know? > > > > Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de > Die große Welt der Kommunikation: E-Mail, Fax, SMS, WAP: http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Tue Apr 24 03:04:43 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:04:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] buying from germany References: <200104230805.f3N85tZ16453@mailgate3.cinetic.de> <003301c0cc55$231159c0$fa06efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <000801c0cc5a$8dc08020$19b7f7a5@hayabusa> Thought you guys might be interested. Senn Hd-600's @ US 205 shipped from Germany. Cut and paste the link below: http://headwize.com/index.htm Offer ends Friday April 27th. Have a good one. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 24 17:29:57 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:29:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 cassette deck References: Message-ID: <3AE59BF5.B7A5FBBC@sunint.co.za> Hi Sam: Forgive for picking up on this weeks late - still going through literally hundreds of naktalks after being away in the UK. I agree that it is a sad state of affairs re the car cassette deck market. I have a JVC head unit - quite new, K something 320, a CD changer in the back, and two supplementary Kenwood power amps. The CD player occasionally gets used, but the cassette playback is the main source. It is stable, clean and as dynamic as necessary in a car. After all, noise floor wise, whether it's a mini metro or a Lexus, these are hardly anechoic chambers (sp?). The most rewarding time to listen to your car stereo is probably when you're stationary, engine switched off, and waiting for someone. Sometimes you hear about hi-fi reproduction being an illusion. But hi-fi on the move is really an illusion!! Nonetheless, I can fully understand your XL-II tapes recorded on a CR-7 sounding better than CD. I have several TDK-MA tapes and a Maxell XL-IIS recorded on a friends Nakamichi CR-7E from a Linn Axis/Basic/Transfiguration Esprit set up. Source material were a variety of Simply Vinyl 180g albums. From a purely technical point of view alone, a tiresome but necessary way to look at music, such combination of hardware and software comfortably eclipses the compact disc standard. So, it's no surprise that it sounds better to you. After all, it is better. With natural, realistic dynamics. What fun to be a bigot!! Seriously though, you're not getting older. You're getting better, and wiser. And hearing music recorded on machine models other than ones own is what Naktree is partly about. Time we started using it....... But Raymond (R.J.), your position in the car audio industry obviously gives you a birds eye view of what was and what's current. I take note of your remarks re Alpine, Nakamichi and Sound Stream. Not so long ago, I had a look at the Alpine Europe web page and saw a number of car head units with cassette players. How do they rate with their esteemed forbears? All the best, MARC SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Stephen, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't damaging the tape heads > in my car stereo. Whether it's a high-end deck or not, damaged tape heads > are damaged tape heads. (I have to say, my system was surprisingly strong > and well rounded (6 speaker system with auto-reverse deck) for a stock > system.) > > I'm saddened to learn that you can no longer purchase a great tape deck for > your car. I don't know if that is true, but if it is what is the world > coming to? Doesn't anyone enjoy the balanced, warm and soft sound of a well > recorded cassette anymore? Although I haven't had the opportunity to hear > recordings on many of the NAKs we talk about, the music recorded on a Maxell > XL-II created on a CR-7 from a friend of mine is simply INCREDIBLE! I don't > know how else to describe it! Blows CD's away, hands down. (HINT! HINT! If > anyone is willing, I would like to hear some music recorded on a 1000ZXL or > Revox B215 or Tandberg 3014a) Alas, I must be getting old.... :-( > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 24 18:08:44 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:08:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX-95 etc Blank Media supplies References: <61.cc5bb09.27f900d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AE5A50C.9B0DA0EE@sunint.co.za> Hi Sam: You're right I think. Obviously the uncertainty of the future is there, but just being in England last month, I checked out the availability of blank tapes (and bought plenty of them too) and was relieved to see no shortage at all. Minidisc is big from a recording point of view - mainly for the portable market which is very important there. Every second person in the tube has a 'personal' and half of them now are MDs. After all, they are smaller, lighter and chew less power than tape players. But when I talked with a floor manager at HMV in Oxford Street, much was revealed. Firstly, vinyl is giant there. Stacks of it, both in 7" and 12". Single sales in vinyl make up a growing part of the market and are just behind 5" CD. Minidisc pre-recorded singles he projects will be off the market in a year. Singles on tape are holding thier own. That was interesting. So, there you go...vinyl is seriously fashionable. The Pro-ject Debut turnatable's energetic marketing has made quality vinyl replay affordable to many. And incidently, it's a surprisingly competent deck. But Sam, plenty of tapes. And despite the deleting of the Maxell XL-IIS, according to many sources, this would seems not to apply to Europe. They are made in the UK (different wrapper to the Jap one(greyish-silver)...these are purple). No shortage at all. The guy at KVJ in Whitechapel was non-plussed when I said I heard they were no longer produced. He assured me he was right on the industry's pulse, and there was no such issue with XL-IIS in Britain. He admitted, that the major manufacturers were narrowing ranges slightly, and that TDK's AR was definitely being discontinued. But, he also pointed out that other lines appeared from time to time, such as Sony's CDit and TDK's CDing. They are both entry level type IIs. Go well, MARC SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > So there's still hope for another 10 years of quality blank cassette media > available? Glad to hear that reel-to-reel is still popular after all of > these years. My stereo "buddies" who purchased reel-to-reel machines really > enjoy them and use them often. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000II > Hi guys, > > What's your opinion about this beast? > Anyone has service manual for it? > (actualy, servicing is pretty clear but I want > to be sure that I didn't miss any important > point). Any "tweaking" expirience? > > Thanks, > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Apr 24 20:21:53 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:21:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000II References: <009f01c0ccda$078d2000$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks Stephen! I had some impression that 1000II is a bit downgrade from 700 - although it's only based on less rigid construction of the body. I like more the newer transport of II - less noisy and more reliable on rewinding modes. What I was thinking about - is there anyway and reason to exclude DNL circuit from the sound path? Or maybe it's works as line amp as well? Didn't look too deep on it since I have no schematic. If there will be any chance to get pages with adjustment and maybe schematic - I'll be happy to have it. However it's not an emergency ;-) And definitely I love the sound of this machine! Misha >Very broad question, Misha! >Definitely a great sounding machine when restored well, and it is very >straightforward to wrok on. The issues of concern are 98 percent the same >as the 700, which I know you have experience with, so no worries. I do have >the service manual if you need any pages scanned. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Apr 24 22:03:04 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:03:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <3AE2F419.CA9DCE78@concentric.net> Message-ID: Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. That question seemed to me interesting to ask given the results I obtain with the Teac demagnetizer... (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is it for a so small area as cassette door ?) In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend owning a1000ZXL, who said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for the ZXL. The Nak technician says to him that this cassette could only damage the circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and urge him to never again use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had each other a Dragon, he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have mine). A point going thanks to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question produces of crackles in REC and calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by the TDK cassette this phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often lend him my Teac degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is west foreheaded..). With it, there is never any troubles, or at least after very very prolonged recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to coming up in one chanel. I think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen informed us about, but what makes sense to see the defective operation to remain even after more than a week, to settle down further ? I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the TDK degausser can make oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the Dolby IC's(can they? & can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps memory ones? the oscillation could be maintained by the batteries, this could explain why the calibration remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I hope a slight clarification is possible :-) (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear anytime ) Some another questions, if I dare: 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative gate leakage when the power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in the same amouts then newer? (in normal use) 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette demagnetizer is or can be a risk factor against the quality of the FETs (among others, dc gate leakage) ...I feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. Thank you very very much. Matyas (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most of time a translation software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse : memory!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 13:00:06 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010425110006.24963.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matyas and all, Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a steel screw nearby :-). Noisy / hissy playback ? TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, while I read that it is better to turn the demag off at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care of their decks (not likely) or my ear needs better care than my deck. BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. Cheers, Salim SM --- Matyas wrote: > Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. > That question seemed to me interesting to ask > given the results I obtain with the Teac > demagnetizer... > (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is > it for a so > small area as cassette door ?) > > In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend > owning a1000ZXL, who > said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for > the ZXL. > The Nak technician says to him that this cassette > could only damage the > circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and > urge him to never again > use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had > each other a Dragon, > he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have > mine). A point going thanks > to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question > produces of crackles in REC > and > calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by > the TDK cassette this > phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often > lend him my Teac > degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is > west foreheaded..). With > it, there is never any troubles, or at least after > very very prolonged > recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to > coming up in one chanel. I > think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen > informed us about, but what > makes sense to see the defective operation to remain > even after more than a > week, to settle down further ? > I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the > TDK degausser can make > oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the > Dolby IC's(can they? & > can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps > memory ones? the oscillation > could be maintained by the batteries, this could > explain why the calibration > remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I > hope a slight > clarification is possible :-) > (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear > anytime ) > > Some another questions, if I dare: > > 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative > gate leakage when the > power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) > > 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in > the same amouts then > newer? > (in normal use) > > 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette > demagnetizer is or can be a risk > factor against the quality of the FETs (among > others, dc gate leakage) ...I > feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. > > Thank you very very much. > Matyas > > > (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most > of time a translation > software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse > : memory!) > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Apr 25 14:02:41 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:02:41 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260CC@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike reel-to-reel machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. Anyway, personally I have never ever noticed any improvements in either recording or playback due to demagnetizing. Neither have I noticed any sound deterioration when not doing so for years! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:nakmaniak at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:00 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > Hi Matyas and all, > > Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag > cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but > didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I > tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a > steel screw nearby :-). Noisy / hissy playback ? > > TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, > while I read that it is better to turn the demag off > at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this > instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? > > It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much > difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad > lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care > of their decks (not likely) or my ear needs better > care than my deck. > > BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was > solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. > Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > --- Matyas wrote: > > Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. > > That question seemed to me interesting to ask > > given the results I obtain with the Teac > > demagnetizer... > > (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is > > it for a so > > small area as cassette door ?) > > > > In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend > > owning a1000ZXL, who > > said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for > > the ZXL. > > The Nak technician says to him that this cassette > > could only damage the > > circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and > > urge him to never again > > use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had > > each other a Dragon, > > he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have > > mine). A point going thanks > > to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question > > produces of crackles in REC > > and > > calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by > > the TDK cassette this > > phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often > > lend him my Teac > > degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is > > west foreheaded..). With > > it, there is never any troubles, or at least after > > very very prolonged > > recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to > > coming up in one chanel. I > > think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen > > informed us about, but what > > makes sense to see the defective operation to remain > > even after more than a > > week, to settle down further ? > > I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the > > TDK degausser can make > > oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the > > Dolby IC's(can they? & > > can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps > > memory ones? the oscillation > > could be maintained by the batteries, this could > > explain why the calibration > > remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I > > hope a slight > > clarification is possible :-) > > (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear > > anytime ) > > > > Some another questions, if I dare: > > > > 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative > > gate leakage when the > > power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) > > > > 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in > > the same amouts then > > newer? > > (in normal use) > > > > 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette > > demagnetizer is or can be a risk > > factor against the quality of the FETs (among > > others, dc gate leakage) ...I > > feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. > > > > Thank you very very much. > > Matyas > > > > > > (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most > > of time a translation > > software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse > > : memory!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Apr 25 16:39:58 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:39:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <3AB8DE54.EDC91A9D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I have small problem with my 1000II. The transport dampers (eject and head block) not working properly. Is there any "standard recepy" for fixing this problem? Maybe refilling it with selicone grease or I'll have to live with it? ;-) Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 25 16:12:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:12:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260CC@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AE6DB64.A738992@concentric.net> I always thought that magnetization in the tape path (not just heads, but also guides, etc.) does two types of damage: During PB, it tends to erase high frequencies. During recording, it puts a fixed level on the tape, thus increasing hysteresis distortion. (The latter should be immaterial in two head machines, because the bias current tends to demagnetize the heads.) That's why I do not expect an obvious difference in sound after demagnetization. It only prevents future damage. It does nothing to remove damage that has already occurred. -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike reel-to-reel > machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. Anyway, > personally I have never ever noticed any improvements in either recording or > playback due to demagnetizing. Neither have I noticed any sound > deterioration when not doing so for years! > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:nakmaniak at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:00 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > > > Hi Matyas and all, > > > > Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag > > cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but > > didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I > > tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a > > steel screw nearby :-). Noisy / hissy playback ? > > > > TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, > > while I read that it is better to turn the demag off > > at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this > > instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? > > > > It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much > > difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad > > lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care > > of their decks (not likely) or my ear needs better > > care than my deck. > > > > BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was > > solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. > > Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > --- Matyas wrote: > > > Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. > > > That question seemed to me interesting to ask > > > given the results I obtain with the Teac > > > demagnetizer... > > > (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is > > > it for a so > > > small area as cassette door ?) > > > > > > In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend > > > owning a1000ZXL, who > > > said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for > > > the ZXL. > > > The Nak technician says to him that this cassette > > > could only damage the > > > circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and > > > urge him to never again > > > use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had > > > each other a Dragon, > > > he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have > > > mine). A point going thanks > > > to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question > > > produces of crackles in REC > > > and > > > calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by > > > the TDK cassette this > > > phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often > > > lend him my Teac > > > degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is > > > west foreheaded..). With > > > it, there is never any troubles, or at least after > > > very very prolonged > > > recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to > > > coming up in one chanel. I > > > think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen > > > informed us about, but what > > > makes sense to see the defective operation to remain > > > even after more than a > > > week, to settle down further ? > > > I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the > > > TDK degausser can make > > > oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the > > > Dolby IC's(can they? & > > > can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps > > > memory ones? the oscillation > > > could be maintained by the batteries, this could > > > explain why the calibration > > > remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I > > > hope a slight > > > clarification is possible :-) > > > (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear > > > anytime ) > > > > > > Some another questions, if I dare: > > > > > > 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative > > > gate leakage when the > > > power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) > > > > > > 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in > > > the same amouts then > > > newer? > > > (in normal use) > > > > > > 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette > > > demagnetizer is or can be a risk > > > factor against the quality of the FETs (among > > > others, dc gate leakage) ...I > > > feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. > > > > > > Thank you very very much. > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most > > > of time a translation > > > software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse > > > : memory!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Apr 25 17:16:00 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:16:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260CC@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <014b01c0cd9a$a3480e40$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike reel-to-reel > machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. The playback head of 3 head machines needs to be demagnetized after some time. With a magnetized PBhead you damage the recorded cassettes.Sympsoms are higher noise level and high freq.cut-off. I use an external demagnetizer, switch it on from a distantance of the PB head, go to the head as close as possible without touching the head and then slowly remove the demagnetizer away as far as possible. Then switch the coil off. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Apr 25 17:26:42 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:26:42 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hm-m-m... Sure point interesting enough. Is there any tried'n'tested method to determine whether some magnetization is there or not? Is this magnetization measurable at all? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > I always thought that magnetization in the tape path > (not just heads, but also guides, etc.) does two > types of damage: During PB, it tends to erase high > frequencies. During recording, it puts a fixed level > on the tape, thus increasing hysteresis distortion. > (The latter should be immaterial in two head machines, > because the bias current tends to demagnetize the > heads.) > > That's why I do not expect an obvious difference in > sound after demagnetization. It only prevents future > damage. It does nothing to remove damage that has > already occurred. > > -- Ron > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike > reel-to-reel > > machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. Anyway, > > personally I have never ever noticed any improvements in either > recording or > > playback due to demagnetizing. Neither have I noticed any sound > > deterioration when not doing so for years! > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:nakmaniak at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:00 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > > > > > > Hi Matyas and all, > > > > > > Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag > > > cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but > > > didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I > > > tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a > > > steel screw nearby :-). Noisy / hissy playback ? > > > > > > TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, > > > while I read that it is better to turn the demag off > > > at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this > > > instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? > > > > > > It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much > > > difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad > > > lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care > > > of their decks (not likely) or my ear needs better > > > care than my deck. > > > > > > BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was > > > solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. > > > Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > --- Matyas wrote: > > > > Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. > > > > That question seemed to me interesting to ask > > > > given the results I obtain with the Teac > > > > demagnetizer... > > > > (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is > > > > it for a so > > > > small area as cassette door ?) > > > > > > > > In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend > > > > owning a1000ZXL, who > > > > said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for > > > > the ZXL. > > > > The Nak technician says to him that this cassette > > > > could only damage the > > > > circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and > > > > urge him to never again > > > > use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had > > > > each other a Dragon, > > > > he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have > > > > mine). A point going thanks > > > > to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question > > > > produces of crackles in REC > > > > and > > > > calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by > > > > the TDK cassette this > > > > phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often > > > > lend him my Teac > > > > degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is > > > > west foreheaded..). With > > > > it, there is never any troubles, or at least after > > > > very very prolonged > > > > recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to > > > > coming up in one chanel. I > > > > think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen > > > > informed us about, but what > > > > makes sense to see the defective operation to remain > > > > even after more than a > > > > week, to settle down further ? > > > > I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the > > > > TDK degausser can make > > > > oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the > > > > Dolby IC's(can they? & > > > > can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps > > > > memory ones? the oscillation > > > > could be maintained by the batteries, this could > > > > explain why the calibration > > > > remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I > > > > hope a slight > > > > clarification is possible :-) > > > > (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear > > > > anytime ) > > > > > > > > Some another questions, if I dare: > > > > > > > > 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative > > > > gate leakage when the > > > > power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) > > > > > > > > 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in > > > > the same amouts then > > > > newer? > > > > (in normal use) > > > > > > > > 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette > > > > demagnetizer is or can be a risk > > > > factor against the quality of the FETs (among > > > > others, dc gate leakage) ...I > > > > feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. > > > > > > > > Thank you very very much. > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most > > > > of time a translation > > > > software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse > > > > : memory!) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 25 18:32:05 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:32:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> I never bothered to check, but I assume that a compass held close to the cassette well opening will indicate if any ferrous part inside is magnetized. -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Hm-m-m... Sure point interesting enough. > > Is there any tried'n'tested method to determine whether some magnetization > is there or not? Is this magnetization measurable at all? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:13 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > > > I always thought that magnetization in the tape path > > (not just heads, but also guides, etc.) does two > > types of damage: During PB, it tends to erase high > > frequencies. During recording, it puts a fixed level > > on the tape, thus increasing hysteresis distortion. > > (The latter should be immaterial in two head machines, > > because the bias current tends to demagnetize the > > heads.) > > > > That's why I do not expect an obvious difference in > > sound after demagnetization. It only prevents future > > damage. It does nothing to remove damage that has > > already occurred. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike > > reel-to-reel > > > machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. Anyway, > > > personally I have never ever noticed any improvements in either > > recording or > > > playback due to demagnetizing. Neither have I noticed any sound > > > deterioration when not doing so for years! > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:nakmaniak at yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 4:00 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matyas and all, > > > > > > > > Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag > > > > cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but > > > > didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I > > > > tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a > > > > steel screw nearby :-). Noisy / hissy playback ? > > > > > > > > TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, > > > > while I read that it is better to turn the demag off > > > > at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this > > > > instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? > > > > > > > > It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much > > > > difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad > > > > lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care > > > > of their decks (not likely) or my ear needs better > > > > care than my deck. > > > > > > > > BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was > > > > solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. > > > > Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Matyas wrote: > > > > > Thank you Ron. Hello Salim & all. > > > > > That question seemed to me interesting to ask > > > > > given the results I obtain with the Teac > > > > > demagnetizer... > > > > > (and I own it since 8 years. Too big & powerfull is > > > > > it for a so > > > > > small area as cassette door ?) > > > > > > > > > > In fact, a Nak technician frowned upon a friend > > > > > owning a1000ZXL, who > > > > > said to him that he employed the TDK DEGAUSSER for > > > > > the ZXL. > > > > > The Nak technician says to him that this cassette > > > > > could only damage the > > > > > circuits of the ZXL as well as the Dragon ones and > > > > > urge him to never again > > > > > use the TDK in these Hi-end decks. (he and I, we had > > > > > each other a Dragon, > > > > > he sold his to afford B&W 802, me I still have > > > > > mine). A point going thanks > > > > > to the techn. is that this 1000ZXL in question > > > > > produces of crackles in REC > > > > > and > > > > > calibrate in a erroneous way, being demagnetized by > > > > > the TDK cassette this > > > > > phenomenon taking several days to calm down. I often > > > > > lend him my Teac > > > > > degausser for his need (I just find out his ZXL is > > > > > west foreheaded..). With > > > > > it, there is never any troubles, or at least after > > > > > very very prolonged > > > > > recording sessions (10 hours..) crackles begin to > > > > > coming up in one chanel. I > > > > > think it is the famous popcorn noise Stephen > > > > > informed us about, but what > > > > > makes sense to see the defective operation to remain > > > > > even after more than a > > > > > week, to settle down further ? > > > > > I easily understand that the decreasing surge of the > > > > > TDK degausser can make > > > > > oscillate some circuits. Besides having weakened the > > > > > Dolby IC's(can they? & > > > > > can be intermitent the popcorn noise?) perhaps > > > > > memory ones? the oscillation > > > > > could be maintained by the batteries, this could > > > > > explain why the calibration > > > > > remains faulty for a while... pures suppositions. I > > > > > hope a slight > > > > > clarification is possible :-) > > > > > (ask me for some, as I am not sure to be clear > > > > > anytime ) > > > > > > > > > > Some another questions, if I dare: > > > > > > > > > > 1.Does FET (I think so) exibits a more significative > > > > > gate leakage when the > > > > > power is just turned on? (DC magnetize the head) > > > > > > > > > > 2. When FET gets older, does the leakage stand in > > > > > the same amouts then > > > > > newer? > > > > > (in normal use) > > > > > > > > > > 3. Does the use of an electronic cassette > > > > > demagnetizer is or can be a risk > > > > > factor against the quality of the FETs (among > > > > > others, dc gate leakage) ...I > > > > > feel my Dragon needs too often to be degaussed. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very very much. > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (spakplugs adicts: dont flame me too! I use the most > > > > > of time a translation > > > > > software or an analog book.. remember?.....or worse > > > > > : memory!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 25 19:34:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:34:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <3AB8DE54.EDC91A9D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <018c01c0cdae$083b9520$8d3442cf@sank1> Yes, the only cure is to clean them out & re-load them with silicone damping oil, which is not an easy material to get. I have been able to get it these days from hobby supply companies, as "shock damping oil" for radio-controlled model cars. I've only ever needed it for turntable cue lift cylinders though. Never seen dampers dry up in any Nak. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem > Hi Stephen, > > I have small problem with my 1000II. The transport > dampers (eject and head block) not working properly. > Is there any "standard recepy" for fixing this problem? > Maybe refilling it with selicone grease or I'll have to > live with it? ;-) > > Thanks, > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 25 19:39:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:39:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000II References: <009f01c0ccda$078d2000$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <019201c0cdae$9d73f600$8d3442cf@sank1> Actually, I've found the ball clutches on the 700/1000-II reel tables to be considerably less reliable than the original reel drive mechanism, but that's perhaps just coincidental to my experience. The DNL circuit is actually switched out of circuit when off, so nothing to worry about. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000II > Thanks Stephen! > > I had some impression that 1000II is a bit downgrade from 700 - > although it's only based on less rigid construction of the body. > I like more the newer transport of II - less noisy and more reliable > on rewinding modes. > What I was thinking about - is there anyway and reason to exclude > DNL circuit from the sound path? Or maybe it's works as line > amp as well? Didn't look too deep on it since I have no schematic. > If there will be any chance to get pages with adjustment and maybe > schematic - I'll be happy to have it. However it's not an emergency ;-) > And definitely I love the sound of this machine! > > Misha > > >Very broad question, Misha! > >Definitely a great sounding machine when restored well, and it is very > >straightforward to wrok on. The issues of concern are 98 percent the same > >as the 700, which I know you have experience with, so no worries. I do have > >the service manual if you need any pages scanned. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Apr 25 20:19:55 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:55 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks Maurits, I know how to demagnetize stuff. What I don't know is whether it does any good or not. I have over 1000 cassettes, a good half of which had been recorded over 10 years ago, whereafter agelong played back on one and the same Pioneer-deck (I couldn't afford a Nak at the time), that never knew the touch of any demagnetizers. Now I play them on Naks and still can't find any faults like excessive hiss or roll-off at the higher end with them. Ain't it strange? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:16 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > Salim, buddy, in a strange way I also tend to think that unlike > reel-to-reel > > machines magnetization is not an issue with cassette recorders. > > The playback head of 3 head machines needs to be demagnetized after > some time. > With a magnetized PBhead you damage the recorded cassettes.Sympsoms > are higher noise level and high freq.cut-off. > I use an external demagnetizer, switch it on from a distantance of > the PB head, go to the head as close as possible without touching the > head and then slowly remove the demagnetizer away as far as possible. > Then switch the coil off. > > > Maurits > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 25 20:29:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:29:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000d01c0cdb5$b99e2e20$5a289bca@smarzuki> Safer than putting a steel screw close to the head. :-) BTW, Ron, Nick, Matyas, Maurits, have you ever compared 'demagnetization effect' of tdk / discwasher cass (with padlifter off) vs dedicated teac / nak demag device ? Just curious. Guess this is similar to Kannan's question of Nak DM10's benefit. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > I never bothered to check, but I assume that a compass > held close to the cassette well opening will indicate > if any ferrous part inside is magnetized. > > -- Ron > > > Igritski Nick wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 25 21:02:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:02:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> <000d01c0cdb5$b99e2e20$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AE71F38.1FC0308E@concentric.net> I have a wand type demagnetizer, that cost around 5 bucks in the early 70s. It still works fairly well (used it to demag scissors and other tools as well). Never tried the TDK gismo. Nick may be right, that magnetization is not an issue. I dunno... Personally, I demag my deck every couple of months (I'd say, about once every 10 to 20 hours of use). At the same time, I usually also clean the heads and tape path (where I come from there's a saying "even if it doesn't do any good, it can't hurt either"). -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Safer than putting a steel screw close to the head. :-) > > BTW, Ron, Nick, Matyas, Maurits, have you ever compared 'demagnetization > effect' of tdk / discwasher cass (with padlifter off) vs dedicated teac / > nak demag device ? Just curious. Guess this is similar to Kannan's > question of Nak DM10's benefit. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > > > > > I never bothered to check, but I assume that a compass > > held close to the cassette well opening will indicate > > if any ferrous part inside is magnetized. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Apr 25 21:56:04 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:56:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Buddies, you find here a "why to de'mag explanation" excerpts from a semi-pro 4 tracks cassette deck from Tascam and of my Teac degausser, I post it because there are figures, for the attention of whom, only they count. They are of course to be believed as sure, coming from Tascam. [ A little stray magnetism can become quite a big nuisance in tape recording. It only takes a small amount ( 0.2 Gauss ) to cause troubles on the record head. Playing 10 cassettes will put about that much charge on the heads. A little more than that ( 0.7 Gauss ) will start to erase high fequency signals previously recorded on tapes. You can see it's worth taking the trouble to degauss regulary.] from : Tascam 424 0.7 Gauss is not measurable by the common of the mortal. >... but I assume that a compass >held close to the cassette well opening will indicate >if any ferrous part inside is magnetized. > >-- Ron Ron! Referring to me to what you tell me about geomagnetism, I am quite surprised to see you assuming that in normal life, heads or a transport can be magnetised so far to influence a compass. In such a state, the heads are trashed. Finally, fellows, I would say with all my respect, without wanting to be impolite at all, that if you are not disturbed any more by 15625 Hz scan freq. from your television screen at 2-3 meters, I think your hearing is not what it used to be. So, it is your personal perception which counts, for yourself. Regards, Matyas [ When to demagnetize? At the minimum, perform the procedure after every 50 hours of use, recording or play-back. Always demagnetize whenever the heads are suspected of affecting the signal to noise ratio or of decreasing hi-freq response. It is recomended that the heads be demagnetized before every recording. They may be demagnetized each time the deck is turned on, to really protect your treasured recordings.] from : Teac E-3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Apr 25 22:41:04 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:41:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <017e01c0cdc8$9d2cdc10$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > Thanks Maurits, > > I know how to demagnetize stuff. Oke ;-) > What I don't know is whether it does any good or not. Hmm, I 've used demagnetizers since 1970 when I bought my 1st Revox A 77 2 track. Everyone in the world uses demagnetizers, they are BUILT to do this job. Even 2 head decks needs to be demagnetized while it's not often used for recording (only playback of tapes causes the magnetization of the head). Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Apr 25 22:45:26 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:45:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> <000d01c0cdb5$b99e2e20$5a289bca@smarzuki> <3AE71F38.1FC0308E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <018301c0cdc8$ab0775c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. > issue. I dunno... Personally, I demag my deck > every couple of months (I'd say, about once > every 10 to 20 hours of use). At the same time, > I usually also clean the heads and tape path > (where I come from there's a saying "even if it > doesn't do any good, it can't hurt either"). Exactly the same here ;-))) I also clean the 2 rubber rollers with isopropylalcohol. (LX-5) I'm sure you do that too. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Apr 25 23:11:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:11:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3AE73D85.D3FDF266@concentric.net> > Matyas wrote: > > Buddies, you find here a "why to de'mag explanation" > excerpts from a semi-pro 4 tracks cassette deck from > Tascam and of my Teac degausser, I post it because there > are figures, for the attention of whom, only they count. > They are of course to be believed as sure, coming from > Tascam. > > > [ A little stray magnetism can become quite a big nuisance > in tape recording. It only takes a small amount ( 0.2 > Gauss ) to cause troubles on the record head. Playing 10 > cassettes will put about that much charge on the heads. A > little more than that ( 0.7 Gauss ) will start to erase > high fequency signals previously recorded on tapes. You > can see it's worth taking the trouble to degauss > regulary.] from : Tascam 424 > > 0.7 Gauss is not measurable by the common of the mortal. > > >... but I assume that a compass > >held close to the cassette well opening will indicate > >if any ferrous part inside is magnetized. > > > >-- Ron > > > Ron! Referring to me to what you tell me about > geomagnetism, I am quite surprised to see you assuming > that in normal life, heads or a transport can be > magnetised so far to influence a compass. > In such a state, the heads are trashed. Matyas, the earth magnetic field is about 1 Gauss at the surface, and it has a very strong effect on every compass I have seen in my life. 0.2 to 0.7 Gauss (Tascam's numbers) should still have a very discernible effect. In addition, I can't argue with Tascam (they certainly should know what they are talking about), but I am a bit surprised by their numbers. I would have expected anything up to 1 or 2 or 3 Gauss to be irrelevant (because it takes several hundred Gauss -- depending on tape formulation -- to achieve erasure), but that's just my gut feel, so what do I know :-) . -- Ron > Finally, fellows, I would say with all my respect, without > wanting to be impolite at all, that if you are not > disturbed any more by 15625 Hz scan freq. from your > television screen at 2-3 meters, I think your hearing is > not what it used to be. So, it is your personal perception > which counts, for yourself. > > Regards, Matyas > > [ When to demagnetize? > At the minimum, perform the procedure after every 50 hours > of use, recording or play-back. Always demagnetize > whenever the heads are suspected of affecting the signal > to noise ratio or of decreasing hi-freq response. It is > recomended that the heads be demagnetized before every > recording. They may be demagnetized each time the deck is > turned on, to really protect your treasured recordings.] > from : Teac E-3 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 08:28:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:28:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Cables Message-ID: Hi All! Not to get into that whole cable debate from last month, however are these cables any good? Thanks! -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1231610014 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 08:34:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:34:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL if anyone is interested... Message-ID: <7e.14367645.28191b8e@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232998944 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 09:44:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:44:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck Message-ID: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 09:48:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:48:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - here's another one, I'm almost tempted myself... Message-ID: <7a.1408e18e.28192cb2@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426676563 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 09:52:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:52:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426805043#BID -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 26 10:20:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:20:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! References: Message-ID: <023e01c0ce29$b866cde0$8d3442cf@sank1> In my experience, the newer the Teac/Tascam reel deck, the worse the sound. I'd choose a 38 or even an old 80-8 over the TSR-8 any time. But I'd MUCH rather have ANY Studer/Revox or Otari deck than any Teac/Tascam. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426805043#BID > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Thu Apr 26 17:09:39 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:09:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. Tired of hearing ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Apr 26 18:05:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:05:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! Message-ID: <2f.1464362c.2819a167@aol.com> In a message dated 4/26/2001 3:20:52 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << In my experience, the newer the Teac/Tascam reel deck, the worse the sound. I'd choose a 38 or even an old 80-8 over the TSR-8 any time. But I'd MUCH rather have ANY Studer/Revox or Otari deck than any Teac/Tascam. >> Thanks Stephen, didn't know that re: TEAC sound. Question, if their sound is not that great, why are they so popular? Is this a similar situation to the TEAC cassette decks that are so prevalent in studios? -Sam -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Apr 26 18:26:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:26:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you included a mention of the product you're pointing at. This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment could just move on, rather than waste time going to ebay. Thanx. -- Ron Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > Tired of hearing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Thu Apr 26 19:11:59 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004d01c0ce74$01637f80$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> I understand. Your comment on description is right on. And it is tape. However, if I were interested in r-r for sale, I'd go search ebay myself. It's hard enough to wade through all the naktalks in every days' email, ESPECIALLY on weekends. Sometimes I have to use a dialup connection, and it is daunting to wait 15 minutes to download email only to find off-topic stuff. I enjoy reading Naktalk for the most part, but sometimes there is so much of it that, on the whole, much of it is diluting the good intent of naktalk. Just my $0.02 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > ebay. Thanx. > > -- Ron > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > Tired of hearing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 21:04:12 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:04:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> <000d01c0cdb5$b99e2e20$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Ron and all. Salim, I own too a 680 (ZX). Popcorn noise in recording were the problem in my deck too !!! After tracking with my 'scope the defective part, I found it then : one ill upd 4066 c IC (analog switches for EX, SX, ZX audio rec levels). On the main PCB, it can be one of them : IC 304, IC 305, IC 306. About TDK de'mag, no worries about its shut down. You have to not disengage the heads bridge while you hear the buzz, which one indicates you the during of the process. But in fact, what is sent to the head is a short decreasing burst of ~250 Hz for about 50 ms (0.05 seconds).(I just went to watch this signal with my scope.) The fast serie of BIPs coming just after are there to inform you the process is ended. This is on while the heads push on the black head tip of the TDK. As the permalloy is a very good magnetic conductor , you have not to remove the pad lifter, the TDK coil tip touches pad lifter which one is magneticaly a part of the head, by contact. Ron, the earth field subject begin to make me smile. Seriously, I have waste a "long time" to detect any moves of my compass by keeping my most remanent cassette, said a recorded Sony Metal Master ( 3500 Gauss). ...Guess what! I am forced to make void your theory, there was no deplacement of the needle at all. One would say that relation between these Gausses in the macrocosm and microcosm are, it seems to me by analogy, to move closer to notions of voltage and of current. As if the compass was like an ammeter in the earth mag ' field, crossed with a north-south flux. It seems to me evident that a true magnet approached to a compass makes deviate the needle by a raw effect really from another nature than the energy bound to the mass of celestial bodies. Energy ( the mass) of our planets even makes the sun to turn in a point outside of its real physical centre. How to code this force? In Gauss? surely not. Karl-Heinz can inform us of it I guess, being magnetic physicist if I recall. and Salim, -What is discwasher d'mag cassettes? Peace, Matyas > > Hi Matyas and all, > > Ouch !! Mine is el-cheapo TDK and discwasher d'mag > cassettes. I've been using them on my decks, but > didn't notice any negative effects yet. How can I > tell if a head got magnetized ? (other than putting a > steel screw nearby :-) Ahrrrg !!! ;-) . Noisy / hissy playback ? High freq. decrease, clarity shadowing, mud sound. Perhaps noise increase after, but I never let my decks sounding as bad as mentioned above. > > TDK demag switched off instantly if deck is stopped, > while I read that it is better to turn the demag off > at least one foot away from the head. Wouldn't this > instant-off 'ruin' the neutral state of the head ? > > It's funny that even on older decks I can't hear much > difference after using the d'mag, probably the pad > lifter got in the way or previous owner took good care > of their decks (not likely) >or my ear needs better > care than my deck. Friend! maybe... > > BTW, my 680 popcorn problem (only on recording) was > solved by replacing several caps on rec amp's signal. > Replacing 7300 dolby amp didn't help. > > Cheers, > Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 26 21:09:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:09:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! References: <2f.1464362c.2819a167@aol.com> Message-ID: <02aa01c0ce84$b6abef20$8d3442cf@sank1> Their popularity stems, I think, from a combination of marketing & general reliability. And, in my opinion, the unspectacular sound quality also extends to their best cassette decks. OTOH, the Tascam 58 is so damned gorgeous to look at, you almost don't care what it sounds like. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! > In a message dated 4/26/2001 3:20:52 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << In my experience, the newer the Teac/Tascam reel deck, the worse the sound. > I'd choose a 38 or even an old 80-8 over the TSR-8 any time. But I'd MUCH > rather have ANY Studer/Revox or Otari deck than any Teac/Tascam. >> > > Thanks Stephen, didn't know that re: TEAC sound. Question, if their sound is > not that great, why are they so popular? Is this a similar situation to the > TEAC cassette decks that are so prevalent in studios? > > -Sam > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 26 21:48:37 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:48:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topics .... In-Reply-To: <004d01c0ce74$01637f80$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <004e01c0ce89$e2d19000$7967063e@a4s1s2> Yeah, but when you've been on the list for a while you find the wheel often turns full circle, with some subjects returning again and again and again and .... like interconnects, digital versus analogue, cleaning fluids, demagnetisers, which deck is the best, Revox versus Nak versus Tandberg versus whatever, etc .... when some diversions from the repetitive flow in like a breath of fresh air!!! :o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rudy Kleimann III Sent: 26 April 2001 18:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck I understand. Your comment on description is right on. And it is tape. However, if I were interested in r-r for sale, I'd go search ebay myself. It's hard enough to wade through all the naktalks in every days' email, ESPECIALLY on weekends. Sometimes I have to use a dialup connection, and it is daunting to wait 15 minutes to download email only to find off-topic stuff. I enjoy reading Naktalk for the most part, but sometimes there is so much of it that, on the whole, much of it is diluting the good intent of naktalk. Just my $0.02 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Apr 26 22:46:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:46:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Geomagnetism and more.. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3AE6FC05.A5A4B9F9@concentric.net> <000d01c0cdb5$b99e2e20$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AE8890B.F14DC398@concentric.net> > Matyas wrote: > > Hi Salim, Ron and all. > > [.........] > Ron, > the earth field subject begin to make me smile. Seriously, > I have waste a "long time" to detect any moves of my > compass by keeping my most remanent cassette, said a > recorded Sony Metal Master (3500 Gauss). The compass needle responds to the *field* it's immersed in . The field around your Sony cassette is very very close to ZERO, regardless of the field used to record it. (The recording is AC -- as you move away from the tape, it diminishes to ZERO very quickly.) Besides, the amount of magnetic material in the cassette is so tiny as to be negligible. By the same token, a recorded cassette will not attract even a tiny sliver of iron. A compass will not respond to recorded tape, but should respond to a field of even a fraction of 1 Gauss. > am forced to make void your theory, there was no > deplacement of the needle at all. > > One would say that relation between these Gausses in the > macrocosm and microcosm are, it seems to me by analogy, to > move closer to notions of voltage and of current. > the compass was like an ammeter in the earth mag ' field, > crossed with a north-south flux. > > It seems to me evident that a true magnet... approached to a > compass makes deviate the needle by a raw effect really > from another nature than the energy bound to the mass of > celestial bodies. The needle moves in response to a magnetic field, regardless of the source of that field -- the earth, a magnet, or DC current in a wire. > Energy ( the mass) of our planets even makes the sun to > turn in a point outside of its real physical centre. How > to code this force? In Gauss? surely not. Of course not. The unit of force (including attraction between masses) is Newton. > Karl-Heinz can inform us of it I guess, being magnetic > physicist if I recall. Well, I am no physicist. OTOH, this is all classical physics and quite elementary. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 08:53:16 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:53:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far livelier list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, Revoxes a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm glad to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. It's also important to note that subject diversification is a natural part of any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other subjects always come up. This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list killed by moderrators who insisted on staying on topic. Javier Ron wrote: > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > ebay. Thanx. > > -- Ron > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > Tired of hearing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 27 09:12:02 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:12:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! References: <2f.1464362c.2819a167@aol.com> <02aa01c0ce84$b6abef20$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AE91BC1.79A2CAF2@sunint.co.za> Also with reference to Ron's, Sam's and Rudy's comments, I am interested in all forms of analogue sound, and anything from you guys is therefore of interest. My wife is listening, right now, to a sixties compilation (she wasn't even born then) on my Tascam 112 cassette deck. Without a doubt, this is no Cadillac, as Nakamichi are; more the Massey Ferguson of cassette decks. Our theatre department used it for walk-in/continuity music for years, then switched to CD. Happily it found a good home with me. But the actual shows always used ReVox B77 units. The sound manager tried CD but remained unconvinced. They eventually got a pair of DAT decks, one Tascam and one Panasonic. But the ReVox's are still in service, and I watching them like a hawk. I have heard a TEAC V8030S. There's not much that's special to be had in the shops these days. So this would be, in my humble opinion, perhaps the best of the current, limited crop of machines. I listened to it only once. Nick has one, I think. The V6030S is the same beast without the quartz locked direct drive capstans. I get the idea the 8030 isn't built anymore. I see there are Sony TCKA3ES decks (new) to be had, but I haven't heard one. Ever since they had to make the return on investment in minidisc, (since 1992 or so) they haven't had a nice thing to say about the format. And considering Stephen's experience with the brand, that probably explains it. Anyway, for about half the money of the above machines, I could have a mid-eighties three head Nakamichi deck in good shape................nuff said. Cheers, Marc Stephen Sank wrote: > Their popularity stems, I think, from a combination of marketing & general > reliability. And, in my opinion, the unspectacular sound quality also > extends to their best cassette decks. > OTOH, the Tascam 58 is so damned gorgeous to look at, you almost don't care > what it sounds like. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT- last one, great deck! > > > In a message dated 4/26/2001 3:20:52 AM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << In my experience, the newer the Teac/Tascam reel deck, the worse the > sound. > > I'd choose a 38 or even an old 80-8 over the TSR-8 any time. But I'd > MUCH > > rather have ANY Studer/Revox or Otari deck than any Teac/Tascam. >> > > > > Thanks Stephen, didn't know that re: TEAC sound. Question, if their sound > is > > not that great, why are they so popular? Is this a similar situation to > the > > TEAC cassette decks that are so prevalent in studios? > > > > -Sam > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 27 09:19:06 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:19:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting decks. But I don't know Phase Linear. Was that an American make. When was it made? How does it sound? Thanks a lot. Marc Javier Perez wrote: > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > livelier > list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, > Revoxes > a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm glad > to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. > It's also important to note that subject diversification is a natural > part of > any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other subjects > always come up. > This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list > killed by moderrators who > insisted on staying on topic. > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > > ebay. Thanx. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with > > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! > > > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing > > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has > > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > > > Tired of hearing > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 27 11:38:49 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:38:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phase Linear 7000 Message-ID: <3AE93E29.B9A3F911@sunint.co.za> Sorry Javier Still going through a backlog of postings. I see your unit is based on a Pioneer CT-A1. Also a unit I don't know. Hope you come right with your project. Regards, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 12:16:48 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:16:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3AE94710.8D261BB4@yahoo.com> phase Linear was the company started by Bob carver which he sold around 1978 I think. They made monster Amps like the 700 at 350WPC RMS. That was alot for 1970. Unfortunately they tended to blow out and even explode something which earned them the name Flame Linear. They were bought out by Pioneer which planned to use them as the channel for their high end products. Many of their components were based on Pioneer and were moderately good The 7000 was based on the rare CT-A1 which was like a CT-F1250 on steroids and with more features such as microscan and several memories. As far as cassette decks go it was pretty solid but no match for an old 1000 or a B215. Still, it's an awesome 40 pouund deck which looks absolutely imposing. It can sound as good as the best Pioneer deck can, again probably not as good as the top of the heap decks do. Mine needs some restoration work the bias and eq don't come up with the auto feature. It's just a matter of investigating of course but I ned the time to do it. Playback sounds great but it may need a little alignment. I can't tell until everything else is back to spec though. See Ya Javier Marc Hugo wrote: > > Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. > > Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting decks. But I > don't know Phase Linear. Was that an American make. When was it > made? How does it sound? > > Thanks a lot. > > Marc > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > > livelier > > list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, > > Revoxes > > a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm > > glad > > to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. > > It's also important to note that subject diversification is a > > natural > > part of > > any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other > > subjects > > always come up. > > This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list > > killed by moderrators who > > insisted on staying on topic. > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > > > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > > > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > > > > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > > > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > > > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > > > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > > > ebay. Thanx. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email > > account with > > > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less > > Nakamichi! > > > > > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of > > hearing > > > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find > > out it has > > > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > > > > > Tired of hearing > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Apr 27 12:56:03 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:56:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > livelier list with all sorts of tape talk. Yes, I agree. A new member named Carlos started a Revox > Nak war about a year ago ;-) And this forum (is) was used as a sales place by some users. Nothing wrong with that but the main purpose must be a meeting point of Nak lovers ;-) Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 13:36:24 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:36:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> Sales ads can be annoying. A lot of groups have one day of the week in which ads can be posted. This is usually fridays. I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine than any of it's Nak contemporaries. However, I have never been able to get used to the controls on the 215. It could have been far better thought out, particularly the stuff on the right hand side. I would have preffered a manual override for bias and EQ and a "zero it yourself with the push of one button if you want to" counter. Still, to get a more bulletproof deck you would have to find a 700 or 1000 series 1 or 2 Don't know about the 700 or 1000 ZXLs never had one. See Ya Javier Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > > livelier list with all sorts of tape talk. > > Yes, I agree. A new member named Carlos started a Revox > Nak war > about a year ago ;-) > And this forum (is) was used as a sales place by some users. Nothing > wrong with that but the main purpose must be a meeting point of Nak > lovers ;-) > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 27 13:38:50 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:38:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Technics RS-BX828 References: <422BD071.0D57233E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3AE95A4A.124E6790@sunint.co.za> Hi Nick, I'll contact you off-list with full test report on this deck. Kindest wishes, Marc Nick wrote: > Dear Nakfellows, > > Sorry for offtopic, but probably any of you has some information about this deck. It was produced in the early 90's. I need to know its place in the Technics line-up (top or one from the top) and a list of main features (heads, mechanism, type of tape calibration, extra features, etc). You could reply me offlist. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. > > Nicholas. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 27 14:10:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:10:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c0cf13$3cbcac60$4b289bca@smarzuki> Hi all, To add some more, by 'looking' at other decks we will appreciate our Naks more. Now I've 'trimmed down' my decks from various brands to older naks - which with some TLC *and naktlak* they will surely last a long time. I wish I can view archived postings to skip Graham's 'cycle' of cables - demag - fluid etc. :-) Maybe some of 'senior naktalkers' still keep those postings and put it on yahoo groups file section ? 500 msgs per month is quite large, but maybe one month archive uploaded per week. I'll set up the group if somebody still have older postings. BTW I can get those Nak rca plugs (on Sam's ebay link) for cheap over here - $1 pair, maybe not genuine Nak, but it looks good and I've used it for years without fading / corrosion. If anybody's interested (don't know the shipping cost though). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > livelier > list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, > Revoxes > a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm glad > to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. > It's also important to note that subject diversification is a natural > part of > any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other subjects > always come up. > This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list > killed by moderrators who > insisted on staying on topic. > Javier > > Ron wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bravo! > > The calibration system of 727 is a bit different. It is manual but has 2 knobs for level calibration (right and left channel separately) and 1 knob for bias calibration (both channels simultaneously). > > I have recorded a good half of my tape collection on this deck and must say it sounds rather good (compared to cheap Naks of course). > > Its meters are extremely good. In fact it's one of the features I value most on this deck. For calibration the signal is amplified for 20 dB and you should just reach 0 setting for accurate calibration. During playback or recording I can manually vary meter's range from normal (-30 dB...+6 dB, 2 dB increment) to extended (-7 dB...+8dB, 1dB increment). > > Usually I use TDK AR-X and maxell XLII-S for recording. > > Nicholas. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 27 15:33:53 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:33:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 References: Message-ID: <3AE97541.7A59BC8A@sunint.co.za> Hi George - How did it go?? With the 582 vs B215 shootout? I see you're in Sofia. I know the Luxembourg plant to which you refer which, it seems is the main distribution for TDK tapes in Europe. I haven't done a sequential/simultaneous test on them vs the Jap version, but I can't say I've noticed a difference yet. So far, I've used SA, SA-X and AR. I haven't tried the MAs yet. Nick, I wish I could say I know the AR-X, but never seen one, and now they are ......gone. Sniff.. I'm going to try and find a bit of information about TDKs Luxembourg base because it doesn't sound like the sort of thing a bootleg operation would do. Normally they counterfeit everything based on the appearance of the item having most market penetration. They would claim to be made in Japan and the packaging would be where all the money goes. Maybe I'm being naive!!! MARC George Valkov wrote: > Well, Ron, this is exactly what we have planned - he'll bring his 582 over > (since mine is bigger -:))) and do the A - B test on my system. I let you > know the outcome, probably in a couple of weeks, since we share the same > (only?) technician and he is currently busy with a 680ZX. > > Thanks for the moral support -:))) > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ron > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 vs. B-215 > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:41:29 -0400 > > George Valkov wrote: > > > > A friend of mine just got hold of a 582 and is very eager to set it > against > > my B-215 once he has it properly aligned and calibrated. Should I be > worried > > -:))) ? > > > > George > > > > In my very limited experience, no. I owned a 582 > for many years and also listened to a friend's > B215 several times. Unfortunately, not on A to B > basis, and with different systems. I thought his > ReVox was slightly better -- not by much, but > noticeably. I am curious what your reaction will > be to the comparative listening, especially if > you compare the two decks side by side, on the > same system. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 27 16:04:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:04:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AE97C7F.CF69E7C6@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > [....] > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The B77 inside was a like work of art... Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that died at such a young age. To which the old timer remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still think its like splitting hairs... BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a similar period, I had a similar number of problems with my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), but zero problems with a B285 receiver. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 27 16:56:38 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:56:38 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <018c01c0cdae$083b9520$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Many thanks! Looks like I'll be able to find some silicone grease, even of different consistence. Have one more question for you - just got 680ZX and immediately noticed the problem - motor buzz can be heared on output when in rewinding modes. Is there any specific cure for it or I should check all the grounding points and so on? Thanks! Misha >Yes, the only cure is to clean them out & re-load them with silicone damping >oil, which is not an easy material to get. I have been able to get it these >days from hobby supply companies, as "shock damping oil" for >radio-controlled model cars. I've only ever needed it for turntable cue >lift cylinders though. Never seen dampers dry up in any Nak. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 27 18:02:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:02:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <018c01c0cdae$083b9520$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <033801c0cf33$7e9d65a0$8d3442cf@sank1> Had an actual look at my 1000 manual & reminded myself that there is an adjustment screw on the end of each damper, same as on later decks' door dampers. But I assume you've tried adjusting those? On the 680ZX, I would agree you should first look for a grounding problem. Board crack, loose screw, etc. Haven't seen anything else cause that sort of problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem > Hi Stephen, > > Many thanks! Looks like I'll be able to find some silicone grease, > even of different consistence. > Have one more question for you - just got 680ZX and immediately > noticed the problem - motor buzz can be heared on output when in > rewinding modes. Is there any specific cure for it or I should check all the > grounding points and so on? > > Thanks! > Misha > > >Yes, the only cure is to clean them out & re-load them with silicone damping > >oil, which is not an easy material to get. I have been able to get it these > >days from hobby supply companies, as "shock damping oil" for > >radio-controlled model cars. I've only ever needed it for turntable cue > >lift cylinders though. Never seen dampers dry up in any Nak. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 27 18:13:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:13:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> <3AE97C7F.CF69E7C6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <034201c0cf34$efce5620$8d3442cf@sank1> During that B215 debate some time ago, I posted this opinion, but here goes again: The B215 is a very well machined piece of hardware. However, the engineering design of the machinery is seriously flawed, making Revox cassette decks in general victims of their own weighty mechanics. Unlike on the reel decks, the capstan motors have poor weight distribution, with a heavy flywheel at the end of a very long cap shaft. Creates excessive tortional stress on the bearings. The bearings are also further stressed by their large diameter & length, i.e., large friction surface area. Also, the reel motors have excessively heavy & long rotors, creating too much bearing stress. These factors add up to about a ten years or so regular-use lifespan for the decks. Contrast this to the 582/etc. transport mech, which is so well engineered that it is hard to tell one with one year of use from one with twenty years of use. And even the old 700/1000 transports have yet to really show their age, in my experience. So, "built like a tank" means nothing if the "tank" wasn't designed well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > [....] > > > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > B77 inside was a like work of art... > > Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > died at such a young age. To which the old timer > remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > think its like splitting hairs... > > BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 27 18:38:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:38:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> <3AE97C7F.CF69E7C6@concentric.net> <034201c0cf34$efce5620$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AE9A090.5C7F73E2@concentric.net> Thanks for your comment, Stephen, I must have missed it the 1st time around. I have never seen the inside of a B215 -- if came after my time... But why do you say the life span of the *deck* is 10 years? Won't motor replacement (or maybe just bushings, if available) buy it another 10 years? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > During that B215 debate some time ago, I posted this opinion, but here goes > again: The B215 is a very well machined piece of hardware. However, the > engineering design of the machinery is seriously flawed, making Revox > cassette decks in general victims of their own weighty mechanics. Unlike on > the reel decks, the capstan motors have poor weight distribution, with a > heavy flywheel at the end of a very long cap shaft. Creates excessive > tortional stress on the bearings. The bearings are also further stressed by > their large diameter & length, i.e., large friction surface area. Also, the > reel motors have excessively heavy & long rotors, creating too much bearing > stress. These factors add up to about a ten years or so regular-use > lifespan for the decks. Contrast this to the 582/etc. transport mech, which > is so well engineered that it is hard to tell one with one year of use from > one with twenty years of use. And even the old 700/1000 transports have yet > to really show their age, in my experience. So, "built like a tank" means > nothing if the "tank" wasn't designed well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > [....] > > > > > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > > I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > > the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > > My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > > when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > > then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > > clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > > B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > > Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > > 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > > Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > > I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > > to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > > (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > > mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > > died at such a young age. To which the old timer > > remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > > sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > > Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > > build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > > think its like splitting hairs... > > > > BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > > reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > > 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > > years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > > similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > > my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > > but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Apr 27 19:02:47 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:02:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <018c01c0cdae$083b9520$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Misha, you're right to think about grounding. An another problem my 680ZX had, was a permanent buzz in any mode. For long I take it for a FL display trouble because it was disappearing when I unplugged the display. (thank you Ron for your help then). I was wrong. The buzz was due to the Dolby board that had needed to be unscrewed screw by screw to find which one remove (because it's a ground loop problem), to finally insulate the upper corner near to the rear pannel. I've done the same work on the main PCB, 2 screws needed to be fastened more (on the transverse reinforcement side) and 2 to be removed + insulation of the board from chassis, under the Dolby board. Just hope it's help, Matyas. [...] - just got 680ZX and immediately > noticed the problem - motor buzz can be heared on output when in > rewinding modes. Is there any specific cure for it or I should check all the > grounding points and so on? > > Thanks! > Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck > > Thanks for your comment, Stephen, I must have missed > it the 1st time around. I have never seen the inside > of a B215 -- if came after my time... > > But why do you say the life span of the *deck* is 10 > years? Won't motor replacement (or maybe just > bushings, if available) buy it another 10 years? > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > During that B215 debate some time ago, I posted this opinion, but here goes > > again: The B215 is a very well machined piece of hardware. However, the > > engineering design of the machinery is seriously flawed, making Revox > > cassette decks in general victims of their own weighty mechanics. Unlike on > > the reel decks, the capstan motors have poor weight distribution, with a > > heavy flywheel at the end of a very long cap shaft. Creates excessive > > tortional stress on the bearings. The bearings are also further stressed by > > their large diameter & length, i.e., large friction surface area. Also, the > > reel motors have excessively heavy & long rotors, creating too much bearing > > stress. These factors add up to about a ten years or so regular-use > > lifespan for the decks. Contrast this to the 582/etc. transport mech, which > > is so well engineered that it is hard to tell one with one year of use from > > one with twenty years of use. And even the old 700/1000 transports have yet > > to really show their age, in my experience. So, "built like a tank" means > > nothing if the "tank" wasn't designed well. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > [....] > > > > > > > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > > > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > > > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > > > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > > > > I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > > > the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > > > > My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > > > when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > > > then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > > > clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > > > B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > > > > Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > > > 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > > > Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > > > I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > > > to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > > > (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > > > mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > > > died at such a young age. To which the old timer > > > remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > > > sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > > > Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > > > build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > > > think its like splitting hairs... > > > > > > BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > > > reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > > > 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > > > years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > > > similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > > > my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > > > but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Apr 27 21:55:20 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:55:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9451@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> The LX-5 is nice, I had one but I definitely prefer my 582 and CR-7A. The LX-5 has one control for bias adjustment for matching the tape, that's all. No test tones and no meter assisted adjustment point available with internal test tones. For playback it should be fine, this is a recording issue. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cagann [SMTP:autoconsortium at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:39 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for playback. > I > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 27 22:57:48 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:57:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: <033801c0cf33$7e9d65a0$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Thanks! I'll overlook all the grounding points and so on. Misha >Had an actual look at my 1000 manual & reminded myself that there is an >adjustment screw on the end of each damper, same as on later decks' door >dampers. But I assume you've tried adjusting those? >On the 680ZX, I would agree you should first look for a grounding problem. >Board crack, loose screw, etc. Haven't seen anything else cause that sort >of problem. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Apr 27 23:01:35 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:01:35 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000II transport dampers problem References: Message-ID: Hi Matyas, Thanks for your help! I haven't got a chance yet to get inside of my new 680ZX but sure will do it in a nearest hours. Maybe I'll spend the night with this baby ;-) Misha >Hi Misha, you're right to think about grounding. >An another problem my 680ZX had, was a permanent buzz in any mode. >For long I take it for a FL display trouble because it was disappearing when >I unplugged the display. (thank you Ron for your help then). I was wrong. >The buzz was due to the Dolby board that had needed to be unscrewed screw by >screw to find which one remove (because it's a ground loop problem), to >finally insulate the upper corner near to the rear pannel. I've done the >same work on the main PCB, 2 screws needed to be fastened more (on the >transverse reinforcement side) and 2 to be removed + insulation of the board >from chassis, under the Dolby board. > >Just hope it's help, Matyas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I >was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they >still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > >Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 22:19:57 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:19:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> <3AE97C7F.CF69E7C6@concentric.net> <034201c0cf34$efce5620$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AE9D46D.9917AC48@yahoo.com> Hmm.... The effective length of the shaft is just under 4 inches, not that long! and the flywheels are very well balanced. I leave my ca: 1985 215s running day and night have experienced no bearing failures or excessive play. The flywheels on my beloved old 700s are about twice as heavy and it still isn't a problem. As for tanks, the difference between the 2nd generation Naks like the Dragon or the 670ZX and the B215 is like the difference between a Sherman and a King Tiger. Why have a dragon when you can have a tiger? See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > During that B215 debate some time ago, I posted this opinion, but here goes > again: The B215 is a very well machined piece of hardware. However, the > engineering design of the machinery is seriously flawed, making Revox > cassette decks in general victims of their own weighty mechanics. Unlike on > the reel decks, the capstan motors have poor weight distribution, with a > heavy flywheel at the end of a very long cap shaft. Creates excessive > tortional stress on the bearings. The bearings are also further stressed by > their large diameter & length, i.e., large friction surface area. Also, the > reel motors have excessively heavy & long rotors, creating too much bearing > stress. These factors add up to about a ten years or so regular-use > lifespan for the decks. Contrast this to the 582/etc. transport mech, which > is so well engineered that it is hard to tell one with one year of use from > one with twenty years of use. And even the old 700/1000 transports have yet > to really show their age, in my experience. So, "built like a tank" means > nothing if the "tank" wasn't designed well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > [....] > > > > > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > > I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > > the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > > My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > > when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > > then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > > clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > > B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > > Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > > 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > > Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > > I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > > to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > > (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > > mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > > died at such a young age. To which the old timer > > remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > > sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > > Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > > build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > > think its like splitting hairs... > > > > BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > > reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > > 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > > years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > > similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > > my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > > but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From penry at nortelnetworks.com Fri Apr 27 22:26:29 2001 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:26:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: If anyone is interested in a Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer as Nick described below, I could be convinced to sell. Please email me directly if you are interested. Thanks, Charles -----Original Message----- From: Igritski Nick [mailto:Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:54 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Importance: High Hi, fellow-sufferer! 1. Some time ago I've come to a conclusion, that all those software gadgets like SPECTRALAB & stuff are definitely entertaining enough, but... unfortunately, do not even come close to the dedicated measuring instruments (especially considering those sound cards inbetween). For that reason I parted with some more 500$ in order to get hold of this miraculous T100 Analyzer. What is it capable of? Well, when briefly, it comprises: * Extremely precise oscillator, 21 fixed frequencies (20-20K) + pink noise, -20dB attenuator available * SpeedWow/Flutter meter calibrated for 3K * THD-meter calibrated for 400Hz * Noise level meter, IHF-A curve Its GREATEST advantages are: * it combines the features of "source" and "receiver", which enables you to conduct your measurements with a SINGLE device * it lets you to control both channels simultaneously, which is of great importance when you e.g. try to right-position a head, that doesn't want to be right-positioned :-) 2. I must apologize for being absent-minded a bit (an unexpected thaw rolls in outside - brains melt 8-), but can you please describe your problem one more time for me. What are you trying to do, and what doesn't work out well? The more details, the better. Take care Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Apr 28 00:00:53 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:00:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm using an LX% and it sounds fantastic after having it tweeked by Mr. Sank. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Alex Cagann > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:39 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for > playback. I > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > Alex Cagann > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Apr 28 00:25:18 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:25:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: Message-ID: <022f01c0cf68$f09ddd80$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 > Hi Alex, > > I have a LX-5 and I realy love it. Great machine. As for me > it needs more sophisticated calibration features but > I can live without it ;-) Yehh, especially when you use one brand/type cassette where the machine is trimmed for. For other cassette brands it's easy to make a test with an external signalgenerator,or record the "hiss" between stations on the FM radioband. Then adjust the LX 5 bias potmeter so that there is no audiable difference between Tape/Source Monitor switching. A headphone is highly preferable. Btw. 30 Nakamichi adds at www.marktplaats.nl > zoek > Nakamichi Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 28 03:47:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:47:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: Message-ID: <039501c0cf85$31ad12c0$8d3442cf@sank1> I've always liked the LX-5 a lot. Quite literally a no-automatics version of a 700ZXL. Especially like the hi-res meters, which have very, very good accuracy. Not quite as perfect ballistics as the CR-7/5 meters, but nice. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for playback. I > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 28 03:50:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:50:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AE959B8.30E376D8@yahoo.com> <3AE97C7F.CF69E7C6@concentric.net> <034201c0cf34$efce5620$8d3442cf@sank1> <3AE9D46D.9917AC48@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <039b01c0cf85$a4396a00$8d3442cf@sank1> I wasn't referring to flywheel balance, but rather weight distribution on the shaft axis. The Studer/Revox reel decks have outer-rotor AC servo motors, which shifts much of the flywheel weight forward along the shaft axis. The Revox cassettes should have been designed with sealed roller bearings to have all that end-of-shaft weight, as in the Technics reel decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (B215 comments)OT - this is a nice looking deck > Hmm.... > The effective length of the shaft is just under 4 inches, not that long! > and the flywheels are very well balanced. I leave my ca: 1985 215s > running day and > night have experienced no bearing failures or excessive play. The > flywheels > on my beloved old 700s are about twice as heavy and it still isn't a > problem. As for > tanks, the difference between the 2nd generation Naks like the Dragon > or the 670ZX and the B215 is like the difference between a Sherman and a > King Tiger. > Why have a dragon when you can have a tiger? > See Ya > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > During that B215 debate some time ago, I posted this opinion, but here goes > > again: The B215 is a very well machined piece of hardware. However, the > > engineering design of the machinery is seriously flawed, making Revox > > cassette decks in general victims of their own weighty mechanics. Unlike on > > the reel decks, the capstan motors have poor weight distribution, with a > > heavy flywheel at the end of a very long cap shaft. Creates excessive > > tortional stress on the bearings. The bearings are also further stressed by > > their large diameter & length, i.e., large friction surface area. Also, the > > reel motors have excessively heavy & long rotors, creating too much bearing > > stress. These factors add up to about a ten years or so regular-use > > lifespan for the decks. Contrast this to the 582/etc. transport mech, which > > is so well engineered that it is hard to tell one with one year of use from > > one with twenty years of use. And even the old 700/1000 transports have yet > > to really show their age, in my experience. So, "built like a tank" means > > nothing if the "tank" wasn't designed well. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > [....] > > > > > > > > I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > > > After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > > > I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > > > than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > > > > I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > > > the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > > > > My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > > > when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > > > then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > > > clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > > > B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > > > > Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > > > 582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > > > Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > > > I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > > > to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > > > (who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > > > mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > > > died at such a young age. To which the old timer > > > remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > > > sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > > > Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > > > build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > > > think its like splitting hairs... > > > > > > BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > > > reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > > > 582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > > > years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > > > similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > > > my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > > > but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 28 04:02:01 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:02:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3AEA2497.B8768FE6@snet.net> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Phase Linear a dressed up Pioneer CT-F1250? Ed Marc Hugo wrote: > Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. > > Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting decks. But I > don't know Phase Linear. Was that an American make. When was it > made? How does it sound? > > Thanks a lot. > > Marc > > Javier Perez wrote: > >> When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks >> When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far >> livelier >> list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, >> Revoxes >> a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm >> glad >> to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. >> It's also important to note that subject diversification is a >> natural >> part of >> any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other >> subjects >> always come up. >> This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list >> killed by moderrators who >> insisted on staying on topic. >> Javier >> >> Ron wrote: >> > >> > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, >> > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed >> > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. >> > >> > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you >> > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. >> > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment >> > could just move on, rather than waste time going to >> > ebay. Thanx. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: >> > > >> > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email >> account with >> > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less >> Nakamichi! >> > > >> > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of >> hearing >> > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find >> out it has >> > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. >> > > >> > > Tired of hearing >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM >> > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck >> > > >> > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 >> > > > >> > > > -Sam >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 05:05:59 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:05:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> <3AEA2497.B8768FE6@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AEA3397.3FEEE538@yahoo.com> Well Sort of. The 7000 is based on the CT-A1 Infact it is an A1 with Phase Linear stamped on it. Just a rebadge and minor cosmetic differences. The A1 was Pioneer's Cadillac deck. It included a microscan function which scanned through 64 tones in order to adjust bias, level and eq. When it was finished calibrating the user had the option of storing the setting in one of 9 registers. The elaborate chassis included a panel cover that slid underneath the chassis when the deck was in use. The A1 has a lot in common with the 1250 but the circuitry in the 1250 is far simpler. The A1 has dual flywheels, one driving the other with a belt. In the 1250 the second capstan is driven similarly but has no real flywheel. Also, the 1250 has manual tape tuning. For a pic of the A1 goto http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/PhaseTek/cta1.jpg The 7000 was the same thing but silver and with rounded rack extensions and handles in the Carver/Phase Linear style. IE: A monster deck and I believe at 40 pounds +the heaviest one ever made. It should sound like a 1250 I think. I don't believe it's in the same class buildwise as Revox and is a little inferior to the Naks of the day. Still it's the foremost expression of what I'de call a "man's deck"! See Ya Javier Ed Noyes wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Phase Linear a dressed up > Pioneer CT-F1250? > > Ed > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. > > > > Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting decks. But I > > don't know Phase Linear. Was that an American make. When was it > > made? How does it sound? > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Marc > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > >> When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > >> When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > >> livelier > >> list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, > >> > >> Revoxes > >> a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm > >> glad > >> to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. > >> It's also important to note that subject diversification is a > >> natural > >> part of > >> any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other > >> subjects > >> always come up. > >> This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen > >> list > >> killed by moderrators who > >> insisted on staying on topic. > >> Javier > >> > >> Ron wrote: > >> > > >> > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > >> > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > >> > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > >> > > >> > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > >> > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > >> > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > >> > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > >> > ebay. Thanx. > >> > > >> > -- Ron > >> > > >> > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > >> > > > >> > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my > >> email account with > >> > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less > >> Nakamichi! > >> > > > >> > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired > >> of hearing > >> > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find > >> out it has > >> > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > >> > > > >> > > Tired of hearing > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > >> > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > >> > > > >> > > > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > >> > > > > >> > > > -Sam > >> > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >> Deck resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> _________________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >> Deck resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Apr 28 05:51:46 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:21:46 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Message-ID: <20010428035146.8823C1DFC39@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From joukomakela at Home.com Sat Apr 28 05:51:07 2001 From: joukomakela at Home.com (Jouko Makela) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:51:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Message-ID: <20010428035601.ZUNE718.femail4.rdc1.on.home.com@[24.157.56.50]> I have my own LX-5 for sale on ebay. I bought this unit new in the 1980's. The unit has not been used much. Check it out. If you would like one this is an excellent oppertunity to own one. here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1233593847&r=0&t=0&sh owTutorial=0&ed=988636659&indexURL=0&rd=1 Thanks, Jouko ---------- >From: "Stephen Sank" >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 >Date: Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 21:47 > > I've always liked the LX-5 a lot. Quite literally a no-automatics version > of a 700ZXL. Especially like the hi-res meters, which have very, very good > accuracy. Not quite as perfect ballistics as the CR-7/5 meters, but nice. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > >> How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at >> great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so >> the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for playback. > I >> was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they >> still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. >> >> Alex Cagann >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Apr 28 06:16:45 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:46:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Revox/Nak comparison Message-ID: <20010428041645.3B4751DFB8C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 07:12:58 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:12:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox/Nak comparison References: <20010428041645.3B4751DFB8C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AEA515A.BE5C0379@yahoo.com> I only I had a dollar for every story I've ever hear about a guy who went out and bought the best of the best of whatever only to have it break down the minute he got it home! Javier kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Any electro mechanical ( including electronics/ microproessors/ Lasers) consumer product can have limited life time. Bothe Revox and Nak or for that matter Mercedese car can breakdown after use. Nak 582 that own and had many times opened up works fine with just a pinch rollar/ idler wheel change. Capstan and reel motor looks really old but work after may be 15- 18 years. This may not be true of 100% 582' produced but large majority of them still function shows good design and selection of components > With the reputation Revox has, it' products should be better than Naks in most cases but Revox are also fallible! > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > >> I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > >> After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > >> I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > >> than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > >I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > >the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > >My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > >when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > >then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > >clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > >B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > >Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > >582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > >Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > >I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > >to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > >(who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > >mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > >died at such a young age. To which the old timer > >remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > >sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > >Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > >build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > >think its like splitting hairs... > > > >BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > >reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > >582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > >years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > >similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > >my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > >but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 07:18:21 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:18:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox/Nak comparison References: <20010428041645.3B4751DFB8C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AEA529D.BE846DC9@yahoo.com> I look at build quality in terms of ruggedness as well as reliability. Though I haven't tried this I am guessing the Revox would fare sligtly better in a torture test. IE: rough continous use with some abuse and rough handling Javier kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Any electro mechanical ( including electronics/ microproessors/ Lasers) consumer product can have limited life time. Bothe Revox and Nak or for that matter Mercedese car can breakdown after use. Nak 582 that own and had many times opened up works fine with just a pinch rollar/ idler wheel change. Capstan and reel motor looks really old but work after may be 15- 18 years. This may not be true of 100% 582' produced but large majority of them still function shows good design and selection of components > With the reputation Revox has, it' products should be better than Naks in most cases but Revox are also fallible! > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > >> I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > >> After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > >> I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > >> than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > >I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > >the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > >My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > >when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > >then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > >clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > >B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > >Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > >582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > >Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > >I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > >to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > >(who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > >mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > >died at such a young age. To which the old timer > >remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > >sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > >Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > >build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > >think its like splitting hairs... > > > >BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > >reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > >582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > >years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > >similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > >my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > >but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Apr 28 13:53:42 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have a question and I already know who may be in a great help ;-) Stephen, I can not enter in to RAMM mode. CUEING works fine but when I press "pause" button second, third, forth.... enytime nothing happened. Where should I look first? Thanks! Misha PS: Oh, those "auto azimuth calibration" great thing but someone already tried to screw up every adj. pot inside, so thanks Wouter for the great 680ZX service manual - without it I'll be able to do nothing! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Sat Apr 28 17:30:38 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:30:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: <039501c0cf85$31ad12c0$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004c01c0cff8$2df14700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Referring to your remarks about the accuracy of meters, I am interested in your opinions on the meters of other Nakamichi decks. I have several, including a 100ZXL, MR-1,CR-3A, and RX-202. Transient response accuracy would be my most important consideration, as I am often recording live music while mixing for the band's FOH. I am always walking the line between distortion and tape noise. I can't devote too much time to recording levels and do a good job mixing, so I have to rely on the meters pretty heavily. I cover up everything below OdB with masking tape on the meters once the overall level is set, so I can notice overloads out of the corner of my eye while watching other things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 > I've always liked the LX-5 a lot. Quite literally a no-automatics version > of a 700ZXL. Especially like the hi-res meters, which have very, very good > accuracy. Not quite as perfect ballistics as the CR-7/5 meters, but nice. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for playback. > I > > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Sat Apr 28 17:44:21 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:44:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichis and TEAC's References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> <3AEA2497.B8768FE6@snet.net> Message-ID: <005801c0cffa$1884bda0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Hey, Ed. Read your post on your decks. My first cassette deck was a Teac A-420, which is a deluxe version of your A-400. I still have it, and have since acquired another A-420 and an A-400. They haven't seen much use, ever since I bought my first Nakamichi, a 600II, in 1981. I have a full set of Service Manuals, Parts List, and Owner's Manual on the A-420. If you need a copy, or would like one of these decks cheap, let me know at: kleimann at wt.net If you need belts or other parts for yours, let me know. I can hook you up. I'm about to revive my old A-420 for a musician/composer friend of mine to make practice tapes and rough-drafts of new material. He has no mixer, so the mic preamps and mic/line mixing capability of the A-420 are going to be especially useful to him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Phase Linear a dressed up Pioneer CT-F1250? Ed Marc Hugo wrote: Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting decks. But I don't know Phase Linear. Was that an American make. When was it made? How does it sound? Thanks a lot. Marc Javier Perez wrote: When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far livelier list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner of Naks, Revoxes a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear 7000 I'm glad to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this list. It's also important to note that subject diversification is a natural part of any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, other subjects always come up. This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've seen list killed by moderrators who insisted on staying on topic. Javier Ron wrote: > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > ebay. Thanx. > > -- Ron > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and therefore my email account with > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, much less Nakamichi! > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. I'm tired of hearing > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link to find out it has > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > Tired of hearing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Sat Apr 28 21:48:12 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:48:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: Message-ID: <3AEB1E7B.EB1E649E@pacbell.net> I am using several components that have been serviced by Mr. Stephen Sank. All of these components operate beautifully after Stephen has serviced them. He is the finest technician I have ever done business with. By the way, all the components are not Nakamichi. He recently serviced some McIntosh and Tandberg gear that now works like new!!!!!! Keep up the good work Stephen! Brian "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > I'm using an LX% and it sounds fantastic after having > it tweeked by Mr. Sank. > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Alex Cagann > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:39 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > > > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for > > playback. I > > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 29 00:40:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:40:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: <039501c0cf85$31ad12c0$8d3442cf@sank1> <004c01c0cff8$2df14700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <04ba01c0d034$3188ce60$8d3442cf@sank1> The 1000ZXL meters are also excellent, but not quite as good as the CR-7/5 meters as far as the ability to get perfect level match without listening. The other decks you have are not very good at all in that regard. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Kleimann III" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 > Referring to your remarks about the accuracy of meters, I am interested in > your opinions on the meters of other Nakamichi decks. I have several, > including a 100ZXL, MR-1,CR-3A, and RX-202. Transient response accuracy > would be my most important consideration, as I am often recording live music > while mixing for the band's FOH. I am always walking the line between > distortion and tape noise. I can't devote too much time to recording levels > and do a good job mixing, so I have to rely on the meters pretty heavily. I > cover up everything below OdB with masking tape on the meters once the > overall level is set, so I can notice overloads out of the corner of my eye > while watching other things. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > > I've always liked the LX-5 a lot. Quite literally a no-automatics version > > of a 700ZXL. Especially like the hi-res meters, which have very, very > good > > accuracy. Not quite as perfect ballistics as the CR-7/5 meters, but nice. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:39 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > > > > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > > > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck > so > > > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for playback. > > I > > > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and > they > > > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 29 00:53:42 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:53:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox/Nak comparison References: <20010428041645.3B4751DFB8C@webmail.vsnl.com> <3AEA529D.BE846DC9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c0d036$12e542c0$65312ac4@coqui.net> This is true and I has tested it for 15 years now. I understand Stephen points but not a single one of mine's has suffered from that malaise. Even more: my Revoxes has demonstrated better reliability over the years. Better than alll my Naks. Which one is better ? I don't really care. I love my Naks, Tandberg and Revoxes ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox/Nak comparison > I look at build quality in terms of ruggedness as well as reliability. > Though I haven't tried this I am guessing the Revox would fare sligtly > better in a torture test. IE: rough continous use with some abuse and > rough handling > Javier > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Any electro mechanical ( including electronics/ microproessors/ Lasers) consumer product can have limited life time. Bothe Revox and Nak or for that matter Mercedese car can breakdown after use. Nak 582 that own and had many times opened up works fine with just a pinch rollar/ idler wheel change. Capstan and reel motor looks really old but work after may be 15- 18 years. This may not be true of 100% 582' produced but large majority of them still function shows good design and selection of components > > With the reputation Revox has, it' products should be better than Naks in most cases but Revox are also fallible! > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > >> I remember the Nak Revox war but I don't remember which side won. > > >> After working on my former dragon as well as my present 670ZX > > >> I can only conclude that the B215 is a far better built machine > > >> than any of it's Nak contemporaries. > > > > > >I don't think anyone wins in this kind of war, but > > >the 'fighting' can be enjoyable... > > > > > >My experience with ReVox products goes back many years, > > >when, for a while, I did their warranty repairs. Even > > >then, I truly admired their build quality: precise, > > >clean, well laid out, with immaculate Engineering. The > > >B77 inside was a like work of art... > > > > > >Years later, when I was living in colorado Springs, my > > >582 lost it's capstan motor. (By then, I was running an > > >Engineering Dept and was doing far less technical work). > > >I replaced it, but had to drive to 'Listen Up' in Denver > > >to have the speed adjusted. While chatting with the tech > > >(who was an old timer and quite knowledgeable) I > > >mentioned the high Revox quality vs. the 582 motor that > > >died at such a young age. To which the old timer > > >remarked, yes, ReVox builds them better, but no deck > > >sounds as good as a Nakamichi. (Listen Up was doing both > > >Naks and ReVox at the time.) I quite agreed that ReVox > > >build quality was better, but as to the sound -- I still > > >think its like splitting hairs... > > > > > >BTW, build quality doesn't always translate to > > >reliability. During the almost 20 years I owned that > > >582, it had two problems (replaced capstan motor and > > >years later, replaced an electrolytic cap). During a > > >similar period, I had a similar number of problems with > > >my ReVox B791 turntable (over the years, replaced 3 ICs), > > >but zero problems with a B285 receiver. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Apr 29 00:58:49 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:58:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <000901c0cf08$a71827c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <007701c0d036$ca436640$65312ac4@coqui.net> I agree 100% with you, but, I see nothing wrong with other members offering their gears at good prices. At the end, most of all would benefit our collections from that ... Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively about Naks > > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and found a far > > livelier list with all sorts of tape talk. > > Yes, I agree. A new member named Carlos started a Revox > Nak war > about a year ago ;-) > And this forum (is) was used as a sales place by some users. Nothing > wrong with that but the main purpose must be a meeting point of Nak > lovers ;-) > > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Apr 29 04:24:48 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:24:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 References: <3AEB1E7B.EB1E649E@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3AEB7B6C.95C3674@snet.net> Just a short footnote on this thread, in addition to having my Naks serviced by Stephen, I recently got one of his highly modified Moscode power amps and have to say that there's simply nothing like it that I've heard to date. I brought it down to an audiophile buddy who works in a local shop and told him to run it for a few days to see if he could find anything there to match it... bottom line is he didn't want to return the amp to me! Yes, keep up the great work Stephen! Ed britri at pacbell.net wrote: > I am using several components that have been serviced by Mr. Stephen Sank. All of > these components operate beautifully after Stephen has serviced them. He is the > finest technician I have ever done business with. By the way, all the components are > not Nakamichi. He recently serviced some McIntosh and Tandberg gear that now works > like new!!!!!! > > Keep up the good work Stephen! > > Brian > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > I'm using an LX% and it sounds fantastic after having > > it tweeked by Mr. Sank. > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Alex Cagann > > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:39 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 > > > > > > > > > How is this deck in relation to other Nak's? They seem to be selling at > > > great prices on ebay. I was looking for an affordable second tape deck so > > > the Dragon could rest a bit more. This would only be used for > > > playback. I > > > was going to get an RX deck, but I would only want the 303 or 505 and they > > > still fetch quite a bit of dough these days. > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 29 07:07:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:07:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] depressing news Message-ID: <037c01c0d06a$3c7e6100$f2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1020 Finally, a sea change for venerable blank media maker TDK Corporation. On April 20, the company announced the closure of its two American plants, one in Georgia that made video tape cassettes and CD-Rs, and the other in California that produced audio cassettes and floppy disks. The plant closures are part of a $33 million restructuring plan that will concentrate the company's production in Germany and Thailand. Demand for analog tape products has fallen off in North America, company executives said, and the market for recordable CDs is flooded with cheap products from Taiwan and Thailand. TDK claims that prices for blank CDs fell by 60% last year. (At some major market computer stores, house brand CD-Rs can be purchased in bulk for under 25 cents each.) The demand for video cassette tapes has dropped from 1.3 billion units in 1996 to 1.1 billion last year. "There is an imbalance of supply and demand and the price of these products is going down," said a TDK official. "In the current environment, business is very hard for us." The company's two US plants will be converted to distribution centers. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Apr 29 19:10:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:10:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] depressing news References: <037c01c0d06a$3c7e6100$f2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AEC4B22.C4DF92B@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1020 > > [....] The demand for video > cassette tapes has dropped from 1.3 billion units in > 1996 to 1.1 billion last year. I am not surprised one bit. About 50% of what I would have recorded on cassettes only a few short years ago, I now burn onto CD. I expect this to increase since I finally have a CD player in my car. I have a couple of friends that have completely eliminated their cassette collection and equipment. Personally, I am going to stock up on Maxell SLII-90 and TDK SA-100 or 110, as well as on T-120 HiFi -- the tapes I use most. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 30 03:18:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:18:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - need help on speaker info Message-ID: <000701c0d113$8721d8a0$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, Sorry to ask this on naktalk - I'd really appreciate if somebody has any info on Andante reference 3a speaker, a small 2 way bookshelf french made 'monitor' (any comparison or opinion between this and Rogers studio 5 is especially useful). Net search returned nothing, please reply to smarzuki at indosat.net.id. A bit of Nak topic: this is priced tooo low, esp for nak 'techies', a bx300 with 'spotty' transport problem (costs some $1-$5 to replace the rubber ?) at $63, 3 hrs closing, US address only: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232471807 Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 30 03:58:06 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichis and TEAC's References: <67.13410425.28192bda@aol.com> <003501c0ce62$ea6cf560$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <3AE84C53.50C2676F@concentric.net> <3AE9175C.47811A40@yahoo.com> <3AE91D6A.CDF664C5@sunint.co.za> <3AEA2497.B8768FE6@snet.net> <005801c0cffa$1884bda0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AECC6AC.7231DA03@snet.net> Hi Rudy, I actually never owned an A-420, but did run an A-450 for a while as a companion to my Nak 600 many years ago. As a musician myself, I also really enjoyed having the mic/line mixing capability. Ed Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > Hey, Ed. Read your post on your decks. My first cassette deck was a > Teac A-420, which is a deluxe version of your A-400. I still have it, > and have since acquired another A-420 and an A-400. They haven't seen > much use, ever since I bought my first Nakamichi, a 600II, in 1981. I > have a full set of Service Manuals, Parts List, and Owner's Manual on > the A-420. If you need a copy, or would like one of these decks cheap, > let me know at: kleimann at wt.net If you need belts or other parts for > yours, let me know. I can hook you up. I'm about to revive my old > A-420 for a musician/composer friend of mine to make practice tapes > and rough-drafts of new material. He has no mixer, so the mic preamps > and mic/line mixing capability of the A-420 are going to be especially > useful to him. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Phase Linear a > dressed up Pioneer CT-F1250? > > Ed > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Hear, hear. A Phase Linear 7000. Hmmmmm. Take his name. > > > > Seriously though, Javier. You have some interesting > > decks. But I don't know Phase Linear. Was that an > > American make. When was it made? How does it sound? > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > Marc > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > When I first joined, the list was almost exclusively > > > about Naks > > > When I came back after an absence of about 1 year and > > > found a far > > > livelier > > > list with all sorts of tape talk. Personally, as an owner > > > of Naks, > > > Revoxes > > > a Teac A-400 a Pioneer CT-F1250 and a rare Phase Linear > > > 7000 I'm glad > > > to see that Nak tunnel vision hasn't overwhelmed this > > > list. > > > It's also important to note that subject diversification > > > is a natural > > > part of > > > any list's evolution. Once people get to know each other, > > > other subjects > > > always come up. > > > This happens on every list BTW whatever the subject. I've > > > seen list > > > killed by moderrators who > > > insisted on staying on topic. > > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Lighten up, Rudy. This mail list does concern itself, > > > > generally, with tape recordings. We have even discussed > > > > > > > other forms of analog sound, such as turntables. > > > > > > > > OTOH, Sam, it would be beneficial to many if you > > > > included a mention of the product you're pointing at. > > > > This way, anyone not interested in Teac r-t-r equipment > > > > > > > could just move on, rather than waste time going to > > > > ebay. Thanx. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > > > > > > > > > > C'mon Mr Teac R-R- quit spamming naktalk and > > > therefore my email account with > > > > > all this ebay auction crap. Not even cassette decks, > > > much less Nakamichi! > > > > > > > > > > Stick to the topic that is the purpose of Naktalks. > > > I'm tired of hearing > > > > > about Reel to reels, and having to go to an ebay link > > > to find out it has > > > > > NOTHING TO DO with Nakamichis whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > Tired of hearing > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:44 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - this is a nice looking deck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426752925 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 30 04:17:49 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:17:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - need help on speaker info References: <000701c0d113$8721d8a0$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <005b01c0d11b$c0e61440$a7eb3fd0@oemcomputer> the reference 3a speakers are now made in canada at about half the old price see http://www.reference3a.com/ for more info warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT - need help on speaker info > > Hi Nakfellows, > > Sorry to ask this on naktalk - I'd really appreciate if somebody has any > info on Andante reference 3a speaker, a small 2 way bookshelf french made > 'monitor' (any comparison or opinion between this and Rogers studio 5 is > especially useful). Net search returned nothing, please reply to > smarzuki at indosat.net.id. > > A bit of Nak topic: this is priced tooo low, esp for nak 'techies', a bx300 > with 'spotty' transport problem (costs some $1-$5 to replace the rubber ?) > at $63, 3 hrs closing, US address only: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232471807 > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 30 17:29:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:29:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing Message-ID: <001f01c0d18a$5ea77a20$c8199bca@smarzuki> Hi all, Is it true that only 100 Nak 730 made ? How do I forward this to wufwuf ? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 Unrelated item: heard nasty rumors long time ago that 'metal' tape caused more wear on tape head, could this be possible ? Cheers, SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 30 17:46:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:46:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing References: <001f01c0d18a$5ea77a20$c8199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3AED88CB.8DDC6B6D@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is it true that only 100 Nak 730 made ? How do I forward this to wufwuf ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 > > Unrelated item: heard nasty rumors long time ago that 'metal' tape caused > more wear on tape head, could this be possible ? > > Cheers, > SM I believe Chrome tape was said to be more abrasive than other formulations. This was stated in Stereo Review or High-Fidelity (forgot which) many years ago. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 30 18:17:50 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:17:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing References: <001f01c0d18a$5ea77a20$c8199bca@smarzuki> <3AED88CB.8DDC6B6D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003d01c0d191$1aa5a3e0$c8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Thanks for the info. Maybe the word 'metal' itself brings that abrasive thing to mind. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: > > I believe Chrome tape was said to be more abrasive than > other formulations. This was stated in Stereo Review or > High-Fidelity (forgot which) many years ago. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Mon Apr 30 18:40:55 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:40:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head wear and Chrome tape References: <001f01c0d18a$5ea77a20$c8199bca@smarzuki> <3AED88CB.8DDC6B6D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000501c0d194$547fcac0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Around 1970, Mr. E. Nakamichi published a "White Paper" wherein he correctly stated that chromium-dioxide based tapes (especially the early ones) were MUCH more abrasive than ferric oxide tapes, and would considerably accelerate wear on the permalloy heads of the time. He was blasted by the cassette tape manufacturers, as this was a new product which was clearly performed better, and therefore very profitable to sell. The cassette deck manufacturers were displeased too, for the cassette format needed all the help it could get to become a viable recording medium, and they intended on cashing in with recording decks of their own, most of which used permalloy heads. The absolute worst brand for abrasion and shedding was also the most popular and widely advertised tape brand ever: MEMOREX -with MRX2 oxide. The stuff LOOKED abrasive. Suddenly a lot of decks were wearing out all over the place, sounding like hell and shaving the edges of your favorite tape with every play. Meanwhile, Nakamichi was working on high-performance cassette heads made from harder metals, yet still capable of high magnetic field strengths without saturation and other distortions. This, coupled with highly polished CrO2 put the performance of a Nakamichi on an entirely different sonic level than virtually all other Japanese cassette decks (except the Nakamichis 'private-labelled' for these other brands, of course). The tape manufacturers also went on a PR campaign about polishing their tape (some of which weren't polishing previously), but the question of tape wear lingered around for years. I think it was one of the reasons the doped ferro-cobalt formulations were so quickly accepted and praised, and why ferro-chrome never did make it. In reality, CrO2 tape that was made after the mid '70's was quite allright, but no serious recordist would ever be caught dead with Memorex tape on his possession. Especially a Nakamichi owner... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Is it true that only 100 Nak 730 made ? How do I forward this to wufwuf ? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 > > > > Unrelated item: heard nasty rumors long time ago that 'metal' tape caused > > more wear on tape head, could this be possible ? > > > > Cheers, > > SM > > I believe Chrome tape was said to be more abrasive than > other formulations. This was stated in Stereo Review or > High-Fidelity (forgot which) many years ago. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Apr 30 20:24:06 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:24:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB Message-ID: Dears tweakers, If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there to download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip (3.37 Mo) Enjoy, Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-5.txt ************************************************************************ From enoyes at snet.net Tue May 1 03:37:13 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:37:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head wear and Chrome tape References: <001f01c0d18a$5ea77a20$c8199bca@smarzuki> <3AED88CB.8DDC6B6D@concentric.net> <000501c0d194$547fcac0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <3AEE1347.2C0443A7@snet.net> Interestingly enough, the Memorex "MRX2" and later "MRX3" formulas were standard ferric oxides. Another footnote would be to point out that even current Metal formulas are still considerably more abrasive than anything else. In the pro video arena I have had experiences with Metal BetaSP tapes where head failures occur in roughly half the time as would happen with standard oxide tapes. The tradeoff that I've found is that the more abrasive stuff tends to be more robust with fewer dropouts... go figure! Ed Rudy Kleimann III wrote: > Around 1970, Mr. E. Nakamichi published a "White Paper" wherein he correctly > stated that chromium-dioxide based tapes (especially the early ones) were > MUCH more abrasive than ferric oxide tapes, and would considerably > accelerate wear on the permalloy heads of the time. He was blasted by the > cassette tape manufacturers, as this was a new product which was clearly > performed better, and therefore very profitable to sell. The cassette deck > manufacturers were displeased too, for the cassette format needed all the > help it could get to become a viable recording medium, and they intended on > cashing in with recording decks of their own, most of which used permalloy > heads. > > The absolute worst brand for abrasion and shedding was also the most popular > and widely advertised tape brand ever: MEMOREX -with MRX2 oxide. The stuff > LOOKED abrasive. Suddenly a lot of decks were wearing out all over the > place, sounding like hell and shaving the edges of your favorite tape with > every play. > > Meanwhile, Nakamichi was working on high-performance cassette heads made > from harder metals, yet still capable of high magnetic field strengths > without saturation and other distortions. This, coupled with highly polished > CrO2 put the performance of a Nakamichi on an entirely different sonic level > than virtually all other Japanese cassette decks (except the Nakamichis > 'private-labelled' for these other brands, of course). > > The tape manufacturers also went on a PR campaign about polishing their tape > (some of which weren't polishing previously), but the question of tape wear > lingered around for years. I think it was one of the reasons the doped > ferro-cobalt formulations were so quickly accepted and praised, and why > ferro-chrome never did make it. > > In reality, CrO2 tape that was made after the mid '70's was quite allright, > but no serious recordist would ever be caught dead with Memorex tape on his > possession. Especially a Nakamichi owner... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry can't resist this wufwuf thing > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it true that only 100 Nak 730 made ? How do I forward this to wufwuf > ? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 > > > > > > Unrelated item: heard nasty rumors long time ago that 'metal' tape > caused > > > more wear on tape head, could this be possible ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > SM > > > > I believe Chrome tape was said to be more abrasive than > > other formulations. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 1 07:06:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:06:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: Message-ID: <014c01c0d1fc$6d29e5c0$9b3442cf@sank1> Sorry, Misha. Can't say I've ever seen that problem. Having never needed to give any attention to that part of a 680ZX, I wasn't even aware you could access the RAMM functions without a remote. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > Hi everyone, > > I have a question and I already know who may be in a great help ;-) > Stephen, I can not enter in to RAMM mode. CUEING works fine > but when I press "pause" button second, third, forth.... enytime > nothing happened. Where should I look first? > > Thanks! > Misha > > PS: Oh, those "auto azimuth calibration" great thing but someone > already tried to screw up every adj. pot inside, so thanks Wouter for > the great 680ZX service manual - without it I'll be able to do nothing! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 1 13:48:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:48:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <014c01c0d1fc$6d29e5c0$9b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000901c0d234$a1e5d3e0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Misha, When you push pause, does the RAMM led lights up ? Mine lights up okay but doesn't stop where it should be (between songs). In my case I believe there should be a 'level setting' to trigger stop mode (or countdown). But if it doesn't light up, best bet would be on RAMM control block or logic ICs 410, 411, 412 or nearby on mechanism control bd. Anyway that's my amateurish view. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > Sorry, Misha. Can't say I've ever seen that problem. Having never needed > to give any attention to that part of a 680ZX, I wasn't even aware you could > access the RAMM functions without a remote. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:53 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a question and I already know who may be in a great help ;-) > > Stephen, I can not enter in to RAMM mode. CUEING works fine > > but when I press "pause" button second, third, forth.... enytime > > nothing happened. Where should I look first? > > > > Thanks! > > Misha > > > > PS: Oh, those "auto azimuth calibration" great thing but someone > > already tried to screw up every adj. pot inside, so thanks Wouter for > > the great 680ZX service manual - without it I'll be able to do nothing! > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed May 2 09:56:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:56:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... Message-ID: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> Have you seen this? Is it worth it? -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed May 2 14:01:10 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:01:10 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <014c01c0d1fc$6d29e5c0$9b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks Stephen! So it's possible that I'm trying to use function that can not be accessed without remote ;-) Thanks for making this thing clear! Misha >Sorry, Misha. Can't say I've ever seen that problem. Having never needed >to give any attention to that part of a 680ZX, I wasn't even aware you could >access the RAMM functions without a remote. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed May 2 14:05:43 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:05:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <000901c0d234$a1e5d3e0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, So how it works on mine 680ZX - when I push rewind and than pause on a first time it starts rewind in "CUEING" mode. Than I press PAUSE second time and nothing happens! The deck still be in "CUEING" mode - it's all. No RAMM indicator flashing, nothing. Actualy, I don't think that I'll ever need this feature but anyway I would like to fix it - of course if it should work without remote, as Stephen mentioned. Thanks! Misha >Misha, > >When you push pause, does the RAMM led lights up ? Mine lights up okay but >doesn't stop where it should be (between songs). In my case I believe there >should be a 'level setting' to trigger stop mode (or countdown). But if it >doesn't light up, best bet would be on RAMM control block or logic ICs 410, >411, 412 or nearby on mechanism control bd. Anyway that's my amateurish >view. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen Sank" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:06 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > > >> Sorry, Misha. Can't say I've ever seen that problem. Having never needed >> to give any attention to that part of a 680ZX, I wasn't even aware you >could >> access the RAMM functions without a remote. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Mironov" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:53 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works >> >> >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > I have a question and I already know who may be in a great help ;-) >> > Stephen, I can not enter in to RAMM mode. CUEING works fine >> > but when I press "pause" button second, third, forth.... enytime >> > nothing happened. Where should I look first? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > Misha >> > >> > PS: Oh, those "auto azimuth calibration" great thing but someone >> > already tried to screw up every adj. pot inside, so thanks Wouter for >> > the great 680ZX service manual - without it I'll be able to do nothing! >> > >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 2 14:26:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:26:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <000901c0d234$a1e5d3e0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003d01c0d303$17cc4700$53289bca@smarzuki> Hi Misha, Mine displays ramm 1 2 3 etc after first second punch on pause but didn't stop. I always put off 'fixing' this RAMM level problem (which I believe exist but maybe only on my mind) because I never use this AMS-like feature anyway (not even on my car stereo). BTW, there's a 'cps' level adjustment procedure on my teac (very much like ams or ramm). I believe those ttl logic ics on ramm control block (409 to 412 on fig 13.2 & fig 11.2) comes quite cheap and it won't hurt replacing them just for the 'fun' of it. I'm no ee so all these time only made intellectual (sic) guesses. Well, frankly speaking Stephen played a big role on this 'intellectual' part. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > Hi Salim, > > So how it works on mine 680ZX - when I push rewind and than pause > on a first time it starts rewind in "CUEING" mode. Than I press PAUSE > second time and nothing happens! The deck still be in "CUEING" mode - it's all. > No RAMM indicator flashing, nothing. Actualy, I don't think that I'll ever > need this feature but anyway I would like to fix it - of course if it should > work without remote, as Stephen mentioned. > > Thanks! > Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Pickens) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:41:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 User Manual References: <002c01c0c9a1$a2a035a0$5a19883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <007901c0d30d$8b8293c0$78b9f7a5@hayabusa> Graham, If you haven't found a copy yet, I have a zx-7 ( same ) manual copy you can have for mailing + 3.00 stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 User Manual > Has anyone got a copy I can have, please? > > Graham > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > - > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 2 16:40:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:40:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> Message-ID: <005401c0d315$d70e81c0$3e3442cf@sank1> Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, but a new 24bit version. First I've heard of it. Gotta wonder about the seller, though, as well as the actual Nak warranty status, since it seems like it must be a grey market piece. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 2 17:07:10 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> <005401c0d315$d70e81c0$3e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00a201c0d319$916a9ba0$22021fac@brianm> > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, but a > new 24bit version. The ad says it's a 18 bit, not 24. "D/A Converter: Dual 18-bit D/A Converters with 8fs " Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, but a > new 24bit version. First I've heard of it. Gotta wonder about the seller, > though, as well as the actual Nak warranty status, since it seems like it > must be a grey market piece. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:56 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > > > -Sam > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 2 17:31:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:31:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> <005401c0d315$d70e81c0$3e3442cf@sank1> <00a201c0d319$916a9ba0$22021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <008001c0d31d$03c490e0$3e3442cf@sank1> More reason to be a bit suspicious, since the text clearly says it has 24bit ladder DAC chips. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, but > a > > new 24bit version. > > The ad says it's a 18 bit, not 24. > > "D/A Converter: Dual 18-bit D/A Converters with 8fs " > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, but > a > > new 24bit version. First I've heard of it. Gotta wonder about the > seller, > > though, as well as the actual Nak warranty status, since it seems like it > > must be a grey market piece. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:56 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > > > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 16:55:20 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:55:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c0d31d$2d5d1080$910456d1@D9569601> think I'd look at a sony sacd top loader first ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 2 18:03:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:03:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> <005401c0d315$d70e81c0$3e3442cf@sank1> <00a201c0d319$916a9ba0$22021fac@brianm> <008001c0d31d$03c490e0$3e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002101c0d321$7200a400$53289bca@smarzuki> Two separate dragons: - cd player with 18bit converter (although in 20bit in text) and - standalone dac unit with 24bit converter Plus two similar paragraphs of naac copied and pasted. Be careful with your $6500. :-) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > More reason to be a bit suspicious, since the text clearly says it has 24bit > ladder DAC chips. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, > but > > a > > > new 24bit version. > > > > The ad says it's a 18 bit, not 24. > > > > "D/A Converter: Dual 18-bit D/A Converters with 8fs " > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that > whoever > > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > > > > Off hand, I'd say yes. This is not the original Dragon D/A converter, > but > > a > > > new 24bit version. First I've heard of it. Gotta wonder about the > > seller, > > > though, as well as the actual Nak warranty status, since it seems like > it > > > must be a grey market piece. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:56 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed May 2 19:38:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:38:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... Message-ID: <23.b15e49a.2821a023@aol.com> In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:10:02 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Two separate dragons: - cd player with 18bit converter (although in 20bit in text) and - standalone dac unit with 24bit converter Plus two similar paragraphs of naac copied and pasted. Be careful with your $6500. :-) >> True, thank you all for your assistance. I'm not in a position to make that type of expenditure on audio gear at this moment, but was curious if this particular CD player was worth such a hefty price tag. You guys are great, thanks again! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 2 19:41:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:41:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AF046BA.313CECBD@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > IMHO, no CD player on earth is worth $6,600 (or even $6.599.95, LOL). Where can you find CDs that justify this? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed May 2 19:47:10 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:47:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <000901c0d234$a1e5d3e0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Misha, You're right, by perssing more that one (1x =cueing) time on pause, during rewinding or ffwd mode, starts the RAMM and with it, the incrementation (and the apparition) of the indicator built in the FL display, and during the skipping the sound is muted. The number of tracks to be skipped can be reduced by pushing the REC button. What you discribe is a faulty RAMM's behaviour If we can name it like that ... (I do not have a remote) Good luck! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 22:07:34 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:07:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> <3AF046BA.313CECBD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00c801c0d343$8d6ffc50$910456d1@D9569601> get a rega for 650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > > > -Sam > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > > > > IMHO, no CD player on earth is worth $6,600 (or even > $6.599.95, LOL). Where can you find CDs that justify > this? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 2 23:55:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:55:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... References: <84.154991e2.28211793@aol.com> Message-ID: <003f01c0d352$a04e02e0$c4496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Why don't you snap it up! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 3 01:00:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:00:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: Message-ID: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> Matyas wrote: > > Dears tweakers, > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there to > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > (3.37 Mo) > Enjoy, > Best regards, Matyas Thanks for the link. Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP file contains several different versions of the same files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). The main executable won't run (comes up, complains about an error and quits). What's up? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu May 3 04:17:56 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:17:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... In-Reply-To: <003f01c0d352$a04e02e0$c4496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: I agree with some other comments. No CD player is worth that much money. It is a different thing to discuss whether CR4 is better than ZX-5 than talking about $10K CD players, and $6K 730 Receivers. No CD players, no audio gear has the nostalgia value like that. A $5,000 Zenith Chronomaster Chronometer (which is less accurate than a $2.99 LCD KMart Blue Light Special) equiped with the famous ElPrimero movement may be worth the money. A 28 year old smart good looking honey, yes. A 1967 Mustang Shelby 500 is worth the money. For Nakamichi, you pick it ZX-9, CR7, Dragon, 1000ZXL Gold - the max is $2,000 ... Just my $0.03. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Wed, May 02, 2001 4:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... Why don't you snap it up! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 3 08:12:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:12:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... References: Message-ID: <001801c0d398$26557b80$48289bca@smarzuki> Excellent post, Stan. I prefer 23yr rather than 28yr old though, as long as there's a manual adjustment feature. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... > I agree with some other comments. No CD player is worth that much money. It > is a different thing to discuss whether CR4 is better than ZX-5 than talking > about $10K CD players, and $6K 730 Receivers. No CD players, no audio gear > has the nostalgia value like that. > > A $5,000 Zenith Chronomaster Chronometer (which is less accurate than a > $2.99 LCD KMart Blue Light Special) equiped with the famous ElPrimero > movement may be worth the money. A 28 year old smart good looking honey, > yes. A 1967 Mustang Shelby 500 is worth the money. For Nakamichi, you pick > it ZX-9, CR7, Dragon, 1000ZXL Gold - the max is $2,000 ... > > Just my $0.03. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu May 3 12:47:41 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:47:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > about an error and quits). What's up? wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu May 3 17:59:29 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:59:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... References: Message-ID: <028601c0d3ea$0a6df440$94853604@D9569601> woulda never spent more than a grand on a cassette dec...my cr7's cost me 600/ea...zx9....600 in 1989...zx7....300 zx9 and zx7 are for sale; cr7's are NOT carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... > I agree with some other comments. No CD player is worth that much money. It > is a different thing to discuss whether CR4 is better than ZX-5 than talking > about $10K CD players, and $6K 730 Receivers. No CD players, no audio gear > has the nostalgia value like that. > > A $5,000 Zenith Chronomaster Chronometer (which is less accurate than a > $2.99 LCD KMart Blue Light Special) equiped with the famous ElPrimero > movement may be worth the money. A 28 year old smart good looking honey, > yes. A 1967 Mustang Shelby 500 is worth the money. For Nakamichi, you pick > it ZX-9, CR7, Dragon, 1000ZXL Gold - the max is $2,000 ... > > Just my $0.03. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Wed, May 02, 2001 4:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > Why don't you snap it up! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:56 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... > > > > Have you seen this? Is it worth it? > > > > -Sam > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234856068 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu May 3 18:07:17 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... In-Reply-To: <001801c0d398$26557b80$48289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Having read some entries about TDK closing plants, and noticing that many, once popular tapes are becoming unavailable in retail stores, I too, decided to buy a few boxes of quality tapes. And here comes my question ... I just bought 2 boxes of TDK SM-X90 tapes (TDK PRO series - their Professional Studio Master). I trust this is some sort of variation on the TDK SA-X theme. Does anyone know if this tape is worth the extra 50 cents over TDK SA-X? Is it a better tape? I am using Nakamichi CR4 for most of my critical recording, so calibrating is not that big of an issue. On a separate note, does anyone know whether metal cassettes (like MA-XG, SONY Metal Master, or Maxell Vertex) are still available anywhere? Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu May 3 19:42:34 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:42:34 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] NAK limit is $K2. That's it. Spend your money elsewhere ... References: <028601c0d3ea$0a6df440$94853604@D9569601> Message-ID: From: "Stan Targowski" > about $10K CD players, and $6K 730 Receivers. Hi Stan, I have one 730 with IR remote. Any one want to get it for $6K? $-))) Some people are realy crazy! BTW, I've seen some 730 on e-bay for less than $200. Misha. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu May 3 19:37:17 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:37:17 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: Message-ID: Hi Matyas, Thanks! I'll look on RAMM cirquit. Misha >You're right, by perssing more that one (1x =cueing) time on pause, during >rewinding or ffwd mode, starts the RAMM and with it, the incrementation (and >the apparition) of the indicator built in the FL display, and during the >skipping the sound is muted. The number of tracks to be skipped can be >reduced by pushing the REC button. What you discribe is a faulty RAMM's >behaviour >If we can name it like that ... >(I do not have a remote) > >Good luck! >Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu May 3 19:38:40 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:38:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works References: <003d01c0d303$17cc4700$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Thanks! I'll try to replace those chips. Will let you know what will happen. Misha >Mine displays ramm 1 2 3 etc after first second punch on pause but didn't >stop. I always put off 'fixing' this RAMM level problem (which I believe >exist but maybe only on my mind) because I never use this AMS-like feature >anyway (not even on my car stereo). BTW, there's a 'cps' level adjustment >procedure on my teac (very much like ams or ramm). > >I believe those ttl logic ics on ramm control block (409 to 412 on fig 13.2 >& fig 11.2) comes quite cheap and it won't hurt replacing them just for the >'fun' of it. I'm no ee so all these time only made intellectual (sic) >guesses. Well, frankly speaking Stephen played a big role on this >'intellectual' part. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Mironov" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX problem - RAMM not works > > >> Hi Salim, >> >> So how it works on mine 680ZX - when I push rewind and than pause >> on a first time it starts rewind in "CUEING" mode. Than I press PAUSE >> second time and nothing happens! The deck still be in "CUEING" mode - it's >all. >> No RAMM indicator flashing, nothing. Actualy, I don't think that I'll ever >> need this feature but anyway I would like to fix it - of course if it >should >> work without remote, as Stephen mentioned. >> >> Thanks! >> Misha > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 3 18:59:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:59:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3AF18E79.38B67101@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 > > Maurits That's interesting... How did you deal with the multiple files with same name when you unzipped the file? I am running Win98. Perhaps this is the problem? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu May 3 19:14:00 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:14:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... References: Message-ID: <3AF191D8.35098BDF@pacbell.net> Stan, I have seen many "master" cassettes with odd length like, 8, 12, 24 minutes, but never anything close to 90 minutes. Do you buy these at a local pro audio shop, or do you mail order them and, if so, can you share your resource. Also, a little off topic question to shoot out to the Nak group: I run a nak 1 and a tandberg 3014A that was, by the way, impecably serviced by Stephen Sank. Does anybody knopw what the best tape to use for the 3014a is? Thanx much, Brian Stan Targowski wrote: > Having read some entries about TDK closing plants, and noticing that many, > once popular tapes are becoming unavailable in retail stores, I too, decided > to buy a few boxes of quality tapes. And here comes my question ... > > I just bought 2 boxes of TDK SM-X90 tapes (TDK PRO series - their > Professional Studio Master). I trust this is some sort of variation on the > TDK SA-X theme. Does anyone know if this tape is worth the extra 50 cents > over TDK SA-X? Is it a better tape? I am using Nakamichi CR4 for most of my > critical recording, so calibrating is not that big of an issue. > > On a separate note, does anyone know whether metal cassettes (like MA-XG, > SONY Metal Master, or Maxell Vertex) are still available anywhere? > > Stan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu May 3 19:55:28 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:55:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... In-Reply-To: <3AF191D8.35098BDF@pacbell.net> Message-ID: Brian, I just got these at http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II. In my opinion, a deck with calibration system, like 3014A, should not require any specific tapes. I would look for the tape you like the most and calibrate 3014A for it - I would be curious, however, to hear comments from the others. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: Thu, May 03, 2001 12:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Stan, I have seen many "master" cassettes with odd length like, 8, 12, 24 minutes, but never anything close to 90 minutes. Do you buy these at a local pro audio shop, or do you mail order them and, if so, can you share your resource. Also, a little off topic question to shoot out to the Nak group: I run a nak 1 and a tandberg 3014A that was, by the way, impecably serviced by Stephen Sank. Does anybody knopw what the best tape to use for the 3014a is? Thanx much, Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu May 3 20:21:19 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:21:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... References: Message-ID: <040c01c0d3fd$da95f060$94853604@D9569601> used mxs90 an all naks...work fine...reliable and consistent carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... > Brian, I just got these at http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II. > > In my opinion, a deck with calibration system, like 3014A, should not > require any specific tapes. I would look for the tape you like the most and > calibrate 3014A for it - I would be curious, however, to hear comments from > the others. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: Thu, May 03, 2001 12:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X > question ... > > > Stan, I have seen many "master" cassettes with odd length like, 8, 12, 24 > minutes, > but never anything close to 90 minutes. Do you buy these at a local pro > audio shop, > or do you mail order them and, if so, can you share your resource. > > > Also, a little off topic question to shoot out to the Nak group: I run a > nak 1 and a > tandberg 3014A that was, by the way, impecably serviced by Stephen Sank. > Does > anybody knopw what the best tape to use for the 3014a is? > > Thanx much, > > Brian > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu May 3 20:30:32 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:30:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... References: Message-ID: <3AF1A3CA.EE63EDCD@pacbell.net> yes, I like the way the 3014a thinks for it's self but still curious about the group's response. Thanx for the reply Brian Stan Targowski wrote: > Brian, I just got these at http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II. > > In my opinion, a deck with calibration system, like 3014A, should not > require any specific tapes. I would look for the tape you like the most and > calibrate 3014A for it - I would be curious, however, to hear comments from > the others. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: Thu, May 03, 2001 12:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X > question ... > > Stan, I have seen many "master" cassettes with odd length like, 8, 12, 24 > minutes, > but never anything close to 90 minutes. Do you buy these at a local pro > audio shop, > or do you mail order them and, if so, can you share your resource. > > Also, a little off topic question to shoot out to the Nak group: I run a > nak 1 and a > tandberg 3014A that was, by the way, impecably serviced by Stephen Sank. > Does > anybody knopw what the best tape to use for the 3014a is? > > Thanx much, > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu May 3 20:50:37 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:50:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: Hello Ron, I 've downloaded the zip the same day I post the link there. Unfortunately, a cracked software risk is to meet some bugs, and I am sorry to notice there is some in this EWB. But here for me, I can run (window 98) the Wewb32.exe after having skipped the 'Access denied' message, but it dont quits itself. Of course, the entire content of the zip file is to be extracted to a new folder ie, in 'Program files'. You notice there is 6 or 7 default.lib, myself I count 21 of them with some of the same size, which ones are identical (I would not be exaustive) if you open them with Notepad. The other .lib files contains the mains data of semiconductors from Analog Device, Burr Brown, Linear Tech, Harris, Toshiba etc etc... on opamp, diode,TR, FET, MOS-FET and more with an incredible choice. This EWB version allows you analysis functions as bode plotter of phase,gain, Fourier, noise, distortion, transfert function among others, but the bugs noticed above are related to these analysis and to graphical non sens in the selection of components. I have a simpler EWB 4.0, which works very well. (1.8 Mo, zipped) I try to upload it to a mail box, then I let you know the password. >wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 >Maurits Maurits, I am surprised to see you running it well, is your wewb32.exe the cracked one? A buddy with W2000 meet the bugs too.. Matyas > > Thanks for the link. > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > file contains several different versions of the same > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > about an error and quits). What's up? > > -- Ron > --------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Thu May 3 21:39:29 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:39:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB In-Reply-To: References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010503153716.00c25bc0@mail.verizon.net> At 5/3/01, you wrote: >Hello Ron, >I 've downloaded the zip the same day I post the link there. >Unfortunately, a cracked software risk is to meet some bugs, >and I am sorry to notice there is some in this EWB. But here for me, >I can run (window 98) the Wewb32.exe after having skipped >the 'Access denied' message, but it dont quits itself. Open a new folder. Unzip the zip file to that folder, making sure to __recurse__ the directories. Then run the EXE file Works fine for me. _________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu May 3 22:45:46 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:45:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AF18E79.38B67101@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001d01c0d412$07667970$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 > That's interesting... How did you deal with the > multiple files with same name when you unzipped > the file? Did you unzip with full path? I use Powerdesk as file/zip manager.There is EWB50 and three sub dirs named EXT, MODEL and SAMPLES after unzipping the file. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu May 3 22:51:03 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:51:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <003501c0d412$c4925c80$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: > >wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 > >Maurits > > Maurits, I am surprised to see you running it well, is your wewb32.exe the > cracked one? I have no other than the one in the zip file...It works fine. See my other comment in the group. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri May 4 01:02:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:02:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/2001 12:33:04 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Stan, I have seen many "master" cassettes with odd length like, 8, 12, 24 minutes, but never anything close to 90 minutes. Do you buy these at a local pro audio shop, or do you mail order them and, if so, can you share your resource. >> I pick those up at my local Tower Record Store. In fact, I purchased a 100 minute version as it was several dollars cheaper than the 90 minute version. I hope that helps! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri May 4 01:09:29 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:09:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <000701c0d3be$7a900640$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <3AF18E79.38B67101@concentric.net> <001d01c0d412$07667970$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3AF1E529.FFF18CE2@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > > > wewb32.exe works fine here under Windows 2000 > > That's interesting... How did you deal with the > > multiple files with same name when you unzipped > > the file? > > Did you unzip with full path? I use Powerdesk as file/zip > manager.There is EWB50 and three sub dirs named EXT, MODEL and > SAMPLES after unzipping the file. > > Maurits > Thanks a bunch, Maurits. I didn't realize it had embedded pathnames. As soon as I saw that, I unzipped again and it now comes up just fine. Thanks again. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri May 4 02:58:02 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:58:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: Message-ID: <01b901c0d435$45caaec0$b1496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> RE: [naktalk] ZX-7Did you sell this yet? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Penry To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 If anyone is interested in a Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer as Nick described below, I could be convinced to sell. Please email me directly if you are interested. Thanks, Charles -----Original Message----- From: Igritski Nick [mailto:Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:54 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Importance: High Hi, fellow-sufferer! 1. Some time ago I've come to a conclusion, that all those software gadgets like SPECTRALAB & stuff are definitely entertaining enough, but... unfortunately, do not even come close to the dedicated measuring instruments (especially considering those sound cards inbetween). For that reason I parted with some more 500$ in order to get hold of this miraculous T100 Analyzer. What is it capable of? Well, when briefly, it comprises: * Extremely precise oscillator, 21 fixed frequencies (20-20K) + pink noise, -20dB attenuator available * SpeedWow/Flutter meter calibrated for 3K * THD-meter calibrated for 400Hz * Noise level meter, IHF-A curve Its GREATEST advantages are: * it combines the features of "source" and "receiver", which enables you to conduct your measurements with a SINGLE device * it lets you to control both channels simultaneously, which is of great importance when you e.g. try to right-position a head, that doesn't want to be right-positioned :-) 2. I must apologize for being absent-minded a bit (an unexpected thaw rolls in outside - brains melt 8-), but can you please describe your problem one more time for me. What are you trying to do, and what doesn't work out well? The more details, the better. Take care Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fbaker1 at nc.rr.com Fri May 4 03:24:51 2001 From: fbaker1 at nc.rr.com (Frank Baker) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:24:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am I missing something here (quite possible as I am new to this list)? TDK offers metal tapes (MA series), both on their website www.tdk.com and they are also available at tapeworld http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II Frank > > On a separate note, does anyone know whether metal cassettes (like MA-XG, > SONY Metal Master, or Maxell Vertex) are still available anywhere? > > Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri May 4 04:14:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:14:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Message-ID: <30.144bf9b5.28236a8b@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2001 8:26:31 PM Central Daylight Time, fbaker1 at nc.rr.com writes: << Am I missing something here (quite possible as I am new to this list)? TDK offers metal tapes (MA series), both on their website www.tdk.com and they are also available at tapeworld http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II >> Hi Frank, What about the TDK MA-XG? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri May 4 04:47:24 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:47:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What I was referring to were Metal tapes in metal shells. For example, TDK MA and MA-X have metal tapes and plastic cases. MA-X tape in a metal housing is called MA-XG. I found a couple of sites in the UK, I was wondering if it was available anywhere in the US? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Thu, May 03, 2001 8:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Am I missing something here (quite possible as I am new to this list)? TDK offers metal tapes (MA series), both on their website www.tdk.com and they are also available at tapeworld http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II Frank > > On a separate note, does anyone know whether metal cassettes (like MA-XG, > SONY Metal Master, or Maxell Vertex) are still available anywhere? > > Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X > question ... > > > In a message dated 5/3/2001 8:26:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > fbaker1 at nc.rr.com writes: > > << > Am I missing something here (quite possible as I am new to this list)? > > TDK offers metal tapes (MA series), both on their website www.tdk.com and > they are also available at tapeworld > http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#II > >> > Hi Frank, > > What about the TDK MA-XG? > > -Sam > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri May 4 05:37:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:37:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Message-ID: <5a.14fb1574.28237de2@aol.com> In a message dated 5/3/2001 10:08:59 PM Central Daylight Time, fbaker1 at nc.rr.com writes: << Hi Sam, Haven't seen them. Where can I find them? Frank >> Hi Frank, I haven't seen them in some time and I believe they are out of production. They use a metal case with a clear shell. Has anyone on this list found anyone selling the TDK MA-XG? Also, what is the collective opinion of this particular cassette? Thank you in advance for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 4 06:34:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:04:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Stocking up on Quality Cassettes - TDK SM-X question ... Message-ID: <20010504043416.B252B1DFB96@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri May 4 12:14:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:14:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] T100 Analyzer Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260DF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, 1. I've just returned from the short vacation and after sifting through hundreds of messages I'm hurrying to tell all those, who asked me of selling my T100, that it has been NOT me, who ever wanted to part with it. My name (to be exactly correct, one of my older messages) had only been used as a general reference to T100 and its main features. 2. I've received some direct messages (from Marc Hugo, if memory serves) containing infos on Technics RS-something and stuff. I must say, that I'm not the one, who wanted to have them. Please, keep in mind there are two different Nicks from Russia in the group. One always subscribing as simply "Nick" - this is me, and the other - Nicholas. So, those messages were for Nicholas. Sincerely Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri May 4 13:47:08 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 07:47:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification mess References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F4260DF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <1AE13C74.0EEE5F4E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, all Concerning previous message from Nick Igritsky: there is really some mess here. That's me who was interested in information about Technics RS-BX828. Marc, I sent you direct E-mail message in response to yours, maybe you just confused the E-mails? My E-mail address is Modernizy at netscape.net and I'm still interested in your information. For the rest of the group. Nick was absolutely correct about our signatures: Nick stands for Nick Igritsky, Nicholas for Nick Gornostayev. I'm not against calling me Nick as well but just for the sake of correct identification I chose this signature. Sorry for offtopic. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 4 16:37:45 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:37:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Identification confusion Message-ID: <3AF2BEB9.1E947153@sunint.co.za> Howzit Gentlemen! Sorry about all this...but thanks for the clarification. I just wanted to get both of you before the end of the day - at least in our approxiamte time zone. I understand that Nicholas Gornostayev is 'Modernizy at netscape.net' and Nick Igritski is 'Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru' for whichever direct contacts might be necessary. Actually, I checked my 'sent' register and I did indeed mail to 'Modernizy'. But I did write to 'Nick' in Naktalk on the RS-BX828. Sorry again for the confusion. Just to be safe though, Nick, lock up that T100 tonight!!!! Nicholas, I've done those photocopies, and just need your postal address to get them off to you. Feel free to contact me on 'mhugo at sunint.co.za'. Either way, whichever is easiest. Thanks, and enjoy the weekend. Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Fri May 4 16:31:52 2001 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:31:52 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri May 4 20:32:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:32:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... Message-ID: <36.157407a4.28244fa1@aol.com> Hi All! Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the links below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on this list purchase any of these cassettes? Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your responses. BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to me "offline" at my email address. Thanks! -Sam The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm Maxell MX-S (no URL) EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower Records.) Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing Metal Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, West LA Music http://www.quantegy.com/ For those interested, Sony metal tape link: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri May 4 23:45:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 01:45:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F563A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sam and all, please, find my 0.02567$ to the issue below. 1. Magnetic tape recording is NOT popular in the world of today anymore. And we all have to acknowledge it, regardless of the affection degree one has for it. I would say harder, magnetic tape recording is doomed for extinction and there's nothing we can do about it. It's sad but true. However, whereas one is unable to escape death, one is able to postpone meeting it. 2. The day, when there will be no HIGH-QUALITY blank tapes of any manufacturer anymore is much nearer that it seems. All we, lovers of analog tape recording, can do about it is to literally buy up every decent tape in sight (as far as one's resources will permit, naturally). 3. Taking into account that Russia is (and tends to be) one of the most retarded countries in the world, there's a hope that COMPACT CASSETTE medium will last much longer here, than elsewhere. There are still huge stocks of really decent tapes here like, say, BASF Reference Series, Maxell MX-S etc. In this connection I would earnestly recommend all the interested parties to find an opportunity of either coming over here on your own (assistance from my side guaranteed) OR arranging of handing-over of goods via someone visiting Russia on a regular basis. Sending goods per post is NOT recommended, 'cos Russian postal services suck all over the way. 4. My assistance won't cost you anything. No tricks, just kicks. Our Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt (and presumably Graham Nelson) be my witness. Sincerely Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > Hi All! > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the links > > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on this > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your > responses. > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to > me > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > -Sam > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > Maxell MX-S > (no URL) > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower > Records.) > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing > Metal > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, West > LA > Music > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat May 5 05:51:12 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:51:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. CR5, Is CR4 a better deck?... In-Reply-To: <30.144bf9b5.28236a8b@aol.com> Message-ID: This has been puzzling me for a while. Which is a better deck, CR4 or CR5? In my opinion, both decks have the same mechanics (dd motors, heads, etc.) The CR4 has the CR1,2,3 look. CR5 looks like CR7. CR4 has the calibration system (level, bias tones), CR5 does not (thus CR4 is 20-21+/-3, and CR5 is 20-20+/-3). CR5 looks more impressive, the CR7 look - but ... - deep down, I think CR4 is a CR5 in a more modest form with more features. Any opinions? Stan P.S. If you were given for free a brand new CR4 and CR5 - which one would you choose for the quality (CR5 looks more impressive). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 5 06:28:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:58:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! Message-ID: <20010505042801.382501DFB47@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 5 06:37:59 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:07:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. CR5, Is CR4 a better deck?... Message-ID: <20010505043759.8C97D1DFC81@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 5 07:04:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:04:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. CR5, Is CR4 a better deck?... References: Message-ID: <000901c0d520$d01ff940$52289bca@smarzuki> Some things to consider, just to add the confusion: - Stephen said CR5/7's led meter is the best, while CR4 is a more standard CR 1,2,3 meter - CR5 might still be on 'rubber' (vs 4's idler gear) - CR4 has a nice copper-look chassis - don't know what that has to do with sound anyway. I haven't heard the 5 yet but if it sounds similar to 4 (dry ...) then I personally will buy cr4 for its level/bias/tone feature to make good recordings. Interestingly if it's given for free I'll take the 5, maybe because it's more difficult to find and you can always trade 'down' to 4 later .... I know I'm not a big help here. :-) Cheers, Salim SM - but then again BX300 also has dd and imho sounds better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs. CR5, Is CR4 a better deck?... > This has been puzzling me for a while. Which is a better deck, CR4 or CR5? > > In my opinion, both decks have the same mechanics (dd motors, heads, etc.) > The CR4 has the CR1,2,3 look. CR5 looks like CR7. CR4 has the calibration > system (level, bias tones), CR5 does not (thus CR4 is 20-21+/-3, and CR5 is > 20-20+/-3). > > CR5 looks more impressive, the CR7 look - but ... - deep down, I think CR4 > is a CR5 in a more modest form with more features. > > Any opinions? > > Stan > > P.S. If you were given for free a brand new CR4 and CR5 - which one would > you choose for the quality (CR5 looks more impressive). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat May 5 16:04:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:04:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <36.157407a4.28244fa1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AF40880.9801816F@concentric.net> I've already mentioned that my cassette recording has dwindled dramatically over the past few years. In wake of this discussion, I looked at my blank cassette stock and found 7 XLII-90 and 3 SA-100 that have been sitting there for God knows how long. OTOH, the 100 CD-Rs spindle that I got last year is over half gone. Well, just to counteract the imminent shortage of TDK tapes, I ordered 10 MA-90 and 10 MA-110 cassettes from Tape World. I suspect that this will be my last blank tape purchase, ever (or, at least, cover me for the next couple of years. After that -- who knows). These are more expensive than my usual type II preference, but -- for a last fling -- who cares... BTW, I also ordered 20 VHS cassettes. 1/2" analog video recording is also on the wan. I suspect that VHS recording will die even faster that analog audio recording and will completely disappear in 5 to 10 years. It is being replaced by DV tape and the various recordable DVD forms, even as we speak, and VHS does not have the faithful following of loyal hobbyists. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All! > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the links > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on this > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your responses. > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to me > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > -Sam > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > Maxell MX-S > (no URL) > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower Records.) > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing Metal > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, West LA > Music > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 5 16:25:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:25:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... In-Reply-To: <3AF40880.9801816F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000501c0d56f$3f475720$96f1883e@a4s1s2> I suppose you've been tempted to go down the CD/R route - after all, the cost of a pretty decent recorder is much less than even a modest 2ndhand Nak. But it depends on what you want to record, I suppose. And - of course - what type of replay machine sits in your chariot! I have two very old chariots - both of which sport radio cassette machines. But thinking more .... Archiving records? Maybe CD/R or cassette. Bootlegging copies of CDs or LPs? CD/R or cassette Recording a 1 hour concert off the FM radio ... Got to be cassette, hasn't it? Unless you're recording onto a hard drive before burning the CD? Ooops! I forgot to mention MD!!! (Some people are telling me the latest versions of Sony MDs sound very good, almost indistinguishable from the original source CDs ...) They'd be good for radio. Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 5 16:36:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:36:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! In-Reply-To: <20010505042801.382501DFB47@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> Hmmm .... perhaps we should move to India and create a Nakashram Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: 05 May 2001 05:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! Dear Doomsday predictors, India having the distinction of the second largest populous country in the world ( which had successfully conceded economic progress to China); whose main music consumption is thru cassette medium. I find more and more shops stock TDK/ SONY/ Maxell and other Indian brands of blank tapes. Also considering other east Asian countries ( excluding Chine which has huge CD making - illegal and very cheap CD/ VCD media capacity) will use cassettes till next decade, you can be assured that cassettes will be available in this region atleast for few years after US exhuasts its stock. I wonder what people ( in US) do with almost 100 cassette decks that pass thru ebay alone to new owners! Since CD burning will eat in to blank cassette sale, I strongly believe TDK may shift their production to Thailand or timbaktu to reduce cost rather than stop producing tapes. Any way you could count on me incase you need tapes ( limited to TDK/ Maxell at present) kannan -----Original Message----- From: Igritski Nick To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat May 5 17:12:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:12:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> I'm glad to hear a rational coherent viewpoint for a change Do you guys know what a tape scare could do to the value of our decks! On a different matter, I was wondering if anyone in industry has tried to use CC to record digital using the full width of the tape rather than half for each side. I bought into DCC and regretted it but lately have been thinking thinking CC might still one more trick up its sleeve. Javier Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hmmm .... perhaps we should move to India and create a Nakashram > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 05 May 2001 05:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > Dear Doomsday predictors, > India having the distinction of the second largest populous country in the > world ( which had successfully conceded economic progress to China); whose > main music consumption is thru cassette medium. I find more and more shops > stock TDK/ SONY/ Maxell and other Indian brands of blank tapes. Also > considering other east Asian countries ( excluding Chine which has huge CD > making - illegal and very cheap CD/ VCD media capacity) will use cassettes > till next decade, you can be assured that cassettes will be available in > this region atleast for few years after US exhuasts its stock. > I wonder what people ( in US) do with almost 100 cassette decks that pass > thru ebay alone to new owners! > Since CD burning will eat in to blank cassette sale, I strongly believe TDK > may shift their production to Thailand or timbaktu to reduce cost rather > than stop producing tapes. > Any way you could count on me incase you need tapes ( limited to TDK/ Maxell > at present) > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat May 5 18:18:20 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:18:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Javier, About industry, the only CC component which has been kept is the tape itself. DAT tapes have just the same width than the Compact Cassette, most of them are coated by metal evaporation btw, less abrasive for the heads and have more consistant layer... (I think the Sony Metal XR is metal evaporated) "Funny" to compare how much tape you can fit in a CC VS a DAT cassette, as their prices too. Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" > On a different matter, I was wondering if anyone in industry has tried > to use CC > to record digital using the full width of the tape rather than half for > each side. > I bought into DCC and regretted it but lately have been thinking > thinking CC > might still one more trick up its sleeve. > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat May 5 20:02:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> There used to be a vhs dat player! Talk about cheap tape! I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. Don't know how many minutes the tape lasted Don't know if the head spun. Never could find one second hand but I still maintain that it was and is the most cost effective taping format digital or analog audio or video I can't understand why good ideas are replaced by stupid ones! Even an analog vhs audio deck would be great IMHO See Ya Javier Matyas wrote: > > Hi Javier, > About industry, the only CC component which has been kept is the tape > itself. > DAT tapes have just the same width than the Compact Cassette, most of them > are coated by metal evaporation btw, less abrasive for the heads and have > more consistant layer... (I think the Sony Metal XR is metal evaporated) > "Funny" to compare how much tape you can fit in a CC VS a DAT cassette, as > their prices too. > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > > > On a different matter, I was wondering if anyone in industry has tried > > to use CC > > to record digital using the full width of the tape rather than half for > > each side. > > I bought into DCC and regretted it but lately have been thinking > > thinking CC > > might still one more trick up its sleeve. > > Javier > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 5 20:31:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:31:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Dragon Turntable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c0d591$96e15d60$96f1883e@a4s1s2> Sam For that money you could get yourself a new Pink Triangle Anniversary TT, which, with a decent arm on it, has been described as the closest you'll get to hearing the master tape that made the record. It looks nothing special but it sounds very special. (I have it's younger sibling, the PT TOO.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Sam Barr Sent: 04 May 2001 16:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK Dragon CD player in box available... Hi John, Although I use the CD format often, I would not pay that much money for a CD player regardless of it's manufacturer. Now, I might pay $1500 for a mint Nakamichi Dragon Turnta ble. :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat May 5 20:50:47 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:50:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > There used to be a vhs dat player! > Talk about cheap tape! > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio this survived for the first two or three years. You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat May 5 21:45:02 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 15:45:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AF4583E.9A6F7940@yahoo.com> No This was a dedicated audio player. I posted a query about it on usenet years ago and got the model number. Now that google has revived the usenet archives back to 1995 (praised be Allah) I'll go back and look. Hey! I tink I just spoke Arabian! Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > Talk about cheap tape! > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > this survived for the first two or three years. > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat May 5 21:41:39 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:41:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002101c0d59b$67e3bf80$808ee2c3@a9u3z8> I've been a cassette enthusiast for many years and have a collection of about 500 tapes. I currently have a Nak 480 and a Walkman Pro, and am hoping to add a 680ZX soon. I also have a Pioneer CD-R and a DAT (great for long radio broadcasts). Cassette is my preferred medium for the car, due to its robustness. Anyone want to sell a TD-700? Here in Jersey (UK Channel Islands), it's getting quite difficult to get blank tapes, other than TDK - and only one shop stores a decent range. Mail order from the UK is the only option. Can't get Maxell (any type) or Sony metal or Thats MRX-Pro (is it still made?). Maybe we should all start hording? Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > Talk about cheap tape! > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > this survived for the first two or three years. > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat May 5 21:49:54 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 15:49:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AF45962.5F87D5A4@yahoo.com> Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was flourishing I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p I hope it links Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > Talk about cheap tape! > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > this survived for the first two or three years. > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat May 5 22:56:44 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:56:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F563A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <003101c0d5a5$e532b680$6c232ac4@coqui.net> At this moment, as today, IRMA, International Recording Media Association has predicted a notably redcution in the magnetic media storage by the sencond half of this decade, (2006), what it is hilarious to me is that I have seen the cassette death prediction since 1985 ! Actually is over 30 years old already and counting ! With countries like India and the Middle East, the cassette will easily arrives in the 2010 + ! best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > Sam and all, > > please, find my 0.02567$ to the issue below. > > 1. Magnetic tape recording is NOT popular in the world of today anymore. And > we all have to acknowledge it, regardless of the affection degree one has > for it. I would say harder, magnetic tape recording is doomed for extinction > and there's nothing we can do about it. It's sad but true. However, whereas > one is unable to escape death, one is able to postpone meeting it. > > 2. The day, when there will be no HIGH-QUALITY blank tapes of any > manufacturer anymore is much nearer that it seems. All we, lovers of analog > tape recording, can do about it is to literally buy up every decent tape in > sight (as far as one's resources will permit, naturally). > > 3. Taking into account that Russia is (and tends to be) one of the most > retarded countries in the world, there's a hope that COMPACT CASSETTE medium > will last much longer here, than elsewhere. There are still huge stocks of > really decent tapes here like, say, BASF Reference Series, Maxell MX-S etc. > In this connection I would earnestly recommend all the interested parties to > find an opportunity of either coming over here on your own (assistance from > my side guaranteed) OR arranging of handing-over of goods via someone > visiting Russia on a regular basis. Sending goods per post is NOT > recommended, 'cos Russian postal services suck all over the way. > > 4. My assistance won't cost you anything. No tricks, just kicks. Our > Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt (and presumably Graham Nelson) be my witness. > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:32 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > Hi All! > > > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the links > > > > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank > > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on this > > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your > > responses. > > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to > > me > > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > > > -Sam > > > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > > > > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > > > Maxell MX-S > > (no URL) > > > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash > > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower > > Records.) > > > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing > > Metal > > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, West > > LA > > Music > > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 6 00:54:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:54:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF4583E.9A6F7940@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029d01c0d5b6$4d3a3b80$a33442cf@sank1> I believe you are thinking of the Technics PCM recorder, which was a VHS format, audio-only digital recorder. Came out about 1980 & disappeared as fast as it appeared. Have an Audio Magazine review on it around here somewhere. Of sheer coincidence, Sam Barr spotted one of these machines on ebay a few weeks ago, in really nice shape. Somebody bought it for a bit under $300, I think. More than I expected it to go for. The only other built-in-PCM VCR I know of, other than the pro Sony 3/4 inch U-matic machines, was the Toshiba DX-900, which my dad had two of, as did one or two friends. It was sold from about 1982 to 1984, I think, and was a hifi VHS machine. Push a button & it became a PCM audio recorder, but conveniently left the hifi channels active & accessible, so you could make discrete 4 channel recordings with it, which my dad did quite a bit of, in live sessions. Amazing what a REAL 4 ch recording sounds like. Otherwise, PCM to video tape was done using any VCR + a PCM encoder/decoder, such as the Sony PCM-F1, PCM-501ES, Nakamichi PCM-100(I think that's the right number) & a fair number of other units. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > No > This was a dedicated audio player. > I posted a query about it on usenet years ago and got > the model number. Now that google has revived > the usenet archives back to 1995 (praised be Allah) > I'll go back and look. > Hey! I tink I just spoke Arabian! > Javier > > Warren wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > > Talk about cheap tape! > > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > > this survived for the first two or three years. > > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > > Warren > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 6 00:56:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:56:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F563A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <003101c0d5a5$e532b680$6c232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <02a701c0d5b6$b0537ec0$a33442cf@sank1> I totally agree, Carlos. I don't see cassette going away for at least another decade or two, or three, or four. Certainly the number & variety of blanks will decline rapidly in the next decade, but it won't disappear. You guys are just being paranoid. Vinyl was supposed to be dead in 1983, wasn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > At this moment, as today, IRMA, International Recording Media Association > has predicted a notably redcution in the magnetic media storage by the > sencond half of this decade, (2006), what it is hilarious to me is that I > have seen the cassette death prediction since 1985 ! Actually is over 30 > years old already and counting ! > > With countries like India and the Middle East, the cassette will easily > arrives in the 2010 + ! > > best, > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:45 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > Sam and all, > > > > please, find my 0.02567$ to the issue below. > > > > 1. Magnetic tape recording is NOT popular in the world of today anymore. > And > > we all have to acknowledge it, regardless of the affection degree one has > > for it. I would say harder, magnetic tape recording is doomed for > extinction > > and there's nothing we can do about it. It's sad but true. However, > whereas > > one is unable to escape death, one is able to postpone meeting it. > > > > 2. The day, when there will be no HIGH-QUALITY blank tapes of any > > manufacturer anymore is much nearer that it seems. All we, lovers of > analog > > tape recording, can do about it is to literally buy up every decent tape > in > > sight (as far as one's resources will permit, naturally). > > > > 3. Taking into account that Russia is (and tends to be) one of the most > > retarded countries in the world, there's a hope that COMPACT CASSETTE > medium > > will last much longer here, than elsewhere. There are still huge stocks of > > really decent tapes here like, say, BASF Reference Series, Maxell MX-S > etc. > > In this connection I would earnestly recommend all the interested parties > to > > find an opportunity of either coming over here on your own (assistance > from > > my side guaranteed) OR arranging of handing-over of goods via someone > > visiting Russia on a regular basis. Sending goods per post is NOT > > recommended, 'cos Russian postal services suck all over the way. > > > > 4. My assistance won't cost you anything. No tricks, just kicks. Our > > Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt (and presumably Graham Nelson) be my witness. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:32 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the > links > > > > > > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank > > > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on > this > > > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > > > > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your > > > responses. > > > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to > > > me > > > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > > > > > > > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > > > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > > > > > Maxell MX-S > > > (no URL) > > > > > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash > > > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > > > > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > > > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > > > > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > > > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower > > > Records.) > > > > > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > > > > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing > > > Metal > > > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > > > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > > > > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, > West > > > LA > > > Music > > > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > > > > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun May 6 04:37:27 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:37:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF45962.5F87D5A4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3AF4B8E5.BA8953F3@snet.net> I think that I still have the issue of Stereo Review that reviewed the Technics stand alone unit. It was a 16 bit PCM format although earlier versions were 14 bit and Kodak came out with a system which recorded 12 bit on a 8 mm video tape. Stand alone converters were also offered from Sony among others and these were connected to a regular VCR. Interestingly, you could watch the bit stream on a TV by looking at the video out and some people will say that that picture provided the most accurate meters you ever will see. I still have some Grateful Dead audience recordings that were done with a portable converter and VCR. If memory serves me right, I think the converter was made by Nakamichi! Can anyone confirm that Nak actually made one of these (other than the venerable PCM1000). It would have been a portable as well... well about as portable as a 550. There were two problems with these. First, the price was high at the time. They eventually came down to $1,500 to $2,000, but it was still steep. Second, no pre-recorded media to speak of... and people want to be able to play stuff on their new expensive machine. Third, the DAT format was right on the horizon and would prove to be so much more compact and convenient that it would become the digital tape format of choice (yet still a complete failure in the consumer arena except as a niche item). Right, there were three problems with these (it's like the Monty Python bit). Finally, it appears that over time these tapes have proven to be highly unreliable for archival playback. Where a format like the old Sony PCM-1610/1630 which used 3/4" u-matic tape seems pretty robust in hindsight, tapes made 10 or 15 years ago with the VHS and Betamax systems often are unplayable! Ed Javier Perez wrote: > Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was > flourishing > I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p > > I hope it links > > Javier > > Warren wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > > Talk about cheap tape! > > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > > this survived for the first two or three years. > > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > > Warren > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sun May 6 04:55:21 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:55:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF45962.5F87D5A4@yahoo.com> <3AF4B8E5.BA8953F3@snet.net> Message-ID: <3AF4BD19.40BBDF0D@yahoo.com> Wow! Seeing dead sounds on the tv screen The ultimate trip! Ed Noyes wrote: > > I think that I still have the issue of Stereo Review that reviewed the > Technics stand alone unit. It was a 16 bit PCM format although earlier > versions were 14 bit and Kodak came out with a system which recorded > 12 bit on a 8 mm video tape. Stand alone converters were also offered > from Sony among others and these were connected to a regular VCR. > Interestingly, you could watch the bit stream on a TV by looking at > the video out and some people will say that that picture provided the > most accurate meters you ever will see. I still have some Grateful > Dead audience recordings that were done with a portable converter and > VCR. If memory serves me right, I think the converter was made by > Nakamichi! Can anyone confirm that Nak actually made one of these > (other than the venerable PCM1000). It would have been a portable as > well... well about as portable as a 550. > > There were two problems with these. First, the price was high at the > time. They eventually came down to $1,500 to $2,000, but it was still > steep. Second, no pre-recorded media to speak of... and people want to > be able to play stuff on their new expensive machine. Third, the DAT > format was right on the horizon and would prove to be so much more > compact and convenient that it would become the digital tape format of > choice (yet still a complete failure in the consumer arena except as a > niche item). Right, there were three problems with these (it's like > the Monty Python bit). > > Finally, it appears that over time these tapes have proven to be > highly unreliable for archival playback. Where a format like the old > Sony PCM-1610/1630 which used 3/4" u-matic tape seems pretty robust in > hindsight, tapes made 10 or 15 years ago with the VHS and Betamax > systems often are unplayable! > > Ed > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was > > flourishing > > I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&sa > > e=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p > > > > I hope it links > > > > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > > > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > > > Talk about cheap tape! > > > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > > > > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > > > this survived for the first two or three years. > > > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > > > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > > > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > > > Warren > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BDyke at cris.com Sun May 6 04:56:42 2001 From: BDyke at cris.com (Brian Dyke) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 21:56:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? Message-ID: <003a01c0d5d8$301af860$7d711fd1@BDyke> I believe that the Nakamichi PCM Processor that you refer to would be the DMP-100. This is an exact replica of the Sony PCM-F1, aside from, according to my notes, it having different input capacitors. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? I think that I still have the issue of Stereo Review that reviewed the Technics stand alone unit. It was a 16 bit PCM format although earlier versions were 14 bit and Kodak came out with a system which recorded 12 bit on a 8 mm video tape. Stand alone converters were also offered from Sony among others and these were connected to a regular VCR. Interestingly, you could watch the bit stream on a TV by looking at the video out and some people will say that that picture provided the most accurate meters you ever will see. I still have some Grateful Dead audience recordings that were done with a portable converter and VCR. If memory serves me right, I think the converter was made by Nakamichi! Can anyone confirm that Nak actually made one of these (other than the venerable PCM1000). It would have been a portable as well... well about as portable as a 550. There were two problems with these. First, the price was high at the time. They eventually came down to $1,500 to $2,000, but it was still steep. Second, no pre-recorded media to speak of... and people want to be able to play stuff on their new expensive machine. Third, the DAT format was right on the horizon and would prove to be so much more compact and convenient that it would become the digital tape format of choice (yet still a complete failure in the consumer arena except as a niche item). Right, there were three problems with these (it's like the Monty Python bit). Finally, it appears that over time these tapes have proven to be highly unreliable for archival playback. Where a format like the old Sony PCM-1610/1630 which used 3/4" u-matic tape seems pretty robust in hindsight, tapes made 10 or 15 years ago with the VHS and Betamax systems often are unplayable! Ed Javier Perez wrote: Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was flourishing I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p I hope it links Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > Talk about cheap tape! > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > this survived for the first two or three years. > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Message-ID: In a message dated 5/6/2001 12:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Eventhough cassette medium is going to be alive ( simply because I think that there are atleast a billion recorded tapes in this world and they are used regularly !) sadly the quality of the blank may decline. The choices are also going to be limited. The usage will be reduced as minidisc may take over its place because of its small size and better ATRAC versions and better DA/ AD chips becoming common. However after listening hopeless MP3 sound, even small AIWA portable cassette players sound wonderful! >> This has been an excellent discussion. Thank you all for answering my questions. Again, as I've mentioned in the past I would like to blank cassette to last at least another 10 years. I like the sound. As long as Maxell's XL-II is available I'm ok. But I am disappointed with the choices currently available in my area. And, strictly from a cost perspective CD-R's are far less expensive. But, since we have the web, and this forum we can "pool" our resources to keep us all stocked up with the best blank cassette media available. -Sam The CR-7 man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hzl88 at msn.com Sun May 6 10:30:49 2001 From: hzl88 at msn.com (marc) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 04:30:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? References: <003a01c0d5d8$301af860$7d711fd1@BDyke> Message-ID: <002101c0d606$deed10c0$418c113f@Marc> That's correct, Brian. I recently bought a DMP100 on eBay, since I still record that way for fun sometimes (on to a RCA portable VCR). You can still find the DMP's around at pretty cheap prices. -Marc Y. HZL88 at msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Dyke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? I believe that the Nakamichi PCM Processor that you refer to would be the DMP-100. This is an exact replica of the Sony PCM-F1, aside from, according to my notes, it having different input capacitors. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? I think that I still have the issue of Stereo Review that reviewed the Technics stand alone unit. It was a 16 bit PCM format although earlier versions were 14 bit and Kodak came out with a system which recorded 12 bit on a 8 mm video tape. Stand alone converters were also offered from Sony among others and these were connected to a regular VCR. Interestingly, you could watch the bit stream on a TV by looking at the video out and some people will say that that picture provided the most accurate meters you ever will see. I still have some Grateful Dead audience recordings that were done with a portable converter and VCR. If memory serves me right, I think the converter was made by Nakamichi! Can anyone confirm that Nak actually made one of these (other than the venerable PCM1000). It would have been a portable as well... well about as portable as a 550. There were two problems with these. First, the price was high at the time. They eventually came down to $1,500 to $2,000, but it was still steep. Second, no pre-recorded media to speak of... and people want to be able to play stuff on their new expensive machine. Third, the DAT format was right on the horizon and would prove to be so much more compact and convenient that it would become the digital tape format of choice (yet still a complete failure in the consumer arena except as a niche item). Right, there were three problems with these (it's like the Monty Python bit). Finally, it appears that over time these tapes have proven to be highly unreliable for archival playback. Where a format like the old Sony PCM-1610/1630 which used 3/4" u-matic tape seems pretty robust in hindsight, tapes made 10 or 15 years ago with the VHS and Betamax systems often are unplayable! Ed Javier Perez wrote: Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was flourishing I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p I hope it links Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > There used to be a vhs dat player! > > Talk about cheap tape! > > I think it was a Sony PCM something or other. > > the original betamax's all came with an input for pcm audio > this survived for the first two or three years. > You purchased a sony a/d converter and plugged it in. > but for cheap recording I guess that would still be the 6 hour > setting on a vhs deck using walmart tape. > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun May 6 11:03:20 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 05:03:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak dr10 $299.99 References: <000601c0d570$d5b164c0$96f1883e@a4s1s2> <3AF41865.BC495EC4@yahoo.com> <3AF44018.705DB69C@yahoo.com> <00a601c0d594$4c19a8c0$e6ee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF45962.5F87D5A4@yahoo.com> <3AF4B8E5.BA8953F3@snet.net> <3AF4BD19.40BBDF0D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a901c0d60b$661dfec0$9bee3fd0@oemcomputer> I know its not a favourite nak but Harvey electronics is closing out the nak dr10 for 299.99 http://www.harveyonline.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sun May 6 16:21:31 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:21:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F563A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <003101c0d5a5$e532b680$6c232ac4@coqui.net> <02a701c0d5b6$b0537ec0$a33442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001b01c0d637$d9a52cc0$318fe2c3@a9u3z8> Good point! I think it will survive. We'll just have to watch the quality of the blanks. Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > I totally agree, Carlos. I don't see cassette going away for at least > another decade or two, or three, or four. Certainly the number & variety of > blanks will decline rapidly in the next decade, but it won't disappear. > You guys are just being paranoid. > Vinyl was supposed to be dead in 1983, wasn't it? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > At this moment, as today, IRMA, International Recording Media Association > > has predicted a notably redcution in the magnetic media storage by the > > sencond half of this decade, (2006), what it is hilarious to me is that I > > have seen the cassette death prediction since 1985 ! Actually is over 30 > > years old already and counting ! > > > > With countries like India and the Middle East, the cassette will easily > > arrives in the 2010 + ! > > > > best, > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > > > > Sam and all, > > > > > > please, find my 0.02567$ to the issue below. > > > > > > 1. Magnetic tape recording is NOT popular in the world of today anymore. > > And > > > we all have to acknowledge it, regardless of the affection degree one > has > > > for it. I would say harder, magnetic tape recording is doomed for > > extinction > > > and there's nothing we can do about it. It's sad but true. However, > > whereas > > > one is unable to escape death, one is able to postpone meeting it. > > > > > > 2. The day, when there will be no HIGH-QUALITY blank tapes of any > > > manufacturer anymore is much nearer that it seems. All we, lovers of > > analog > > > tape recording, can do about it is to literally buy up every decent tape > > in > > > sight (as far as one's resources will permit, naturally). > > > > > > 3. Taking into account that Russia is (and tends to be) one of the most > > > retarded countries in the world, there's a hope that COMPACT CASSETTE > > medium > > > will last much longer here, than elsewhere. There are still huge stocks > of > > > really decent tapes here like, say, BASF Reference Series, Maxell MX-S > > etc. > > > In this connection I would earnestly recommend all the interested > parties > > to > > > find an opportunity of either coming over here on your own (assistance > > from > > > my side guaranteed) OR arranging of handing-over of goods via someone > > > visiting Russia on a regular basis. Sending goods per post is NOT > > > recommended, 'cos Russian postal services suck all over the way. > > > > > > 4. My assistance won't cost you anything. No tricks, just kicks. Our > > > Nak-fellow Klaus Fendt (and presumably Graham Nelson) be my witness. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [SMTP:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:32 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > > > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the > > links > > > > > > > > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these > blank > > > > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on > > this > > > > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > > > > > > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your > > > > responses. > > > > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond > to > > > > me > > > > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > > > > > > > > > > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > > > > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > > > > > > > Maxell MX-S > > > > (no URL) > > > > > > > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam > Ash > > > > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > > > > > > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > > > > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > > > > > > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > > > > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower > > > > Records.) > > > > > > > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > > > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > > > > > > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing > > > > Metal > > > > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > > > > > > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > > > > > > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, > > West > > > > LA > > > > Music > > > > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > > > > > > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > > > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun May 6 18:02:18 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:02:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: Message-ID: <005001c0d645$ed50d900$9e496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Surely Maxell XL-II's will be around for a very long time! All our local music stores have tons of them on the shelf. Do a Maxell search on ebay and you will get folks selling sealed C 90's at truly bargain prices. I got 15 C 90's for about $10 a while back. I'm afraid I prefer my Sony MDS JB930 and Sharp portable MD units. MD's use up even less travel space and sound excellent on portable pocket sized players. I recently vacationed in Jamaica and really enjoyed Bob Marley dubbed from a CD. Yeah Mon, no problem! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > In a message dated 5/6/2001 12:31:50 AM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Eventhough cassette medium is going to be alive ( simply because I think > that there are atleast a billion recorded tapes in this world and they are > used regularly !) sadly the quality of the blank may decline. The choices are > also going to be limited. The usage will be reduced as minidisc may take over > its place because of its small size and better ATRAC versions and better DA/ > AD chips becoming common. > However after listening hopeless MP3 sound, even small AIWA portable > cassette players sound wonderful! >> > > > This has been an excellent discussion. Thank you all for answering my > questions. Again, as I've mentioned in the past I would like to blank > cassette to last at least another 10 years. I like the sound. As long as > Maxell's XL-II is available I'm ok. But I am disappointed with the choices > currently available in my area. And, strictly from a cost perspective CD-R's > are far less expensive. But, since we have the web, and this forum we can > "pool" our resources to keep us all stocked up with the best blank cassette > media available. > > -Sam > The CR-7 man! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sun May 6 18:21:17 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:21:17 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? Message-ID: <200105061621.f46GLFf88857@ad.md> Gentlemen, you reminded me of a PCM switcher position on my NEC N-9680 vcr (the other two positions being FM,if i'm correct and LINE) that i have never used. if anyone here knows this specific model: is this position for digital recording or just for decoding the digital NICAM signal (that i cannot benefit from)? the only input (output) this machine has is one SCART and the antenna RF input. and finally - is the PCM (on VHS tape) recording really better than just the hifi stereo (which is superb on my vcr, btw)? if you find this off(nak)topic please ignore my q. and sorry. if not, i'd be grateful to read your possible reaction. longtime already enjoying the naktalk. bye, Marin > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:38 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: VHS PCM recording... did Nak make one? > > > I think that I still have the issue of Stereo Review that reviewed the Technics stand alone unit. It was a 16 bit PCM format although earlier versions were 14 bit and Kodak came out with a system which recorded 12 bit on a 8 mm video tape. Stand alone converters were also offered from Sony among others and these were connected to a regular VCR. Interestingly, you could watch the bit stream on a TV by looking at the video out and some people will say that that picture provided the most accurate meters you ever will see. I still have some Grateful Dead audience recordings that were done with a portable converter and VCR. If memory serves me right, I think the converter was made by Nakamichi! Can anyone confirm that Nak actually made one of these (other than the venerable PCM1000). It would have been a portable as well... well about as portable as a 550. > There were two problems with these. First, the price was high at the time. They eventually came down to $1,500 to $2,000, but it was still steep. Second, no pre-recorded media to speak of... and people want to be able to play stuff on their new expensive machine. Third, the DAT format was right on the horizon and would prove to be so much more compact and convenient that it would become the digital tape format of choice (yet still a complete failure in the consumer arena except as a niche item). Right, there were three problems with these (it's like the Monty Python bit). > > Finally, it appears that over time these tapes have proven to be highly unreliable for archival playback. Where a format like the old Sony PCM-1610/1630 which used 3/4" u-matic tape seems pretty robust in hindsight, tapes made 10 or 15 years ago with the VHS and Betamax systems often are unplayable! > > Ed > > Javier Perez wrote: > > Here's the thread I started all them yesrs ago when usenet was > flourishing > I got a response from the famous Arny Kruger > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=9dd01587b0d4be23,6&seekm=34FB9398.5B2E3E9A%40cunyvm.cuny.edu#p > > I hope it links > > Javier ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon May 7 02:37:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:37:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... Message-ID: <3f.14b5203b.2827482c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/6/2001 11:04:30 AM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I'm afraid I prefer my Sony MDS JB930 and Sharp portable MD units. MD's use up even less travel space and sound excellent on portable pocket sized players. I recently vacationed in Jamaica and really enjoyed Bob Marley dubbed from a CD. Yeah Mon, no problem! >> Hi John, You really liked the mini disk? It still sounds digital and sometimes overly sharp, yes? I understand the compression ratio is only 5x versus MP3's which are 12x's. You prefer minidisk over cassette tape? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon May 7 07:22:27 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - Minidisc In-Reply-To: <3f.14b5203b.2827482c@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010507052227.7787.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry about the OT response. I've had three portable MD recorders, the Sony MZR-30, MZR-50, MZR-55 and I love them all. I still have the MZR-50 as it is my favorite. Naming tracks with the wheel beats the buttons on the MZR-55 anyday. MD is perfect for listening on the road and the occasional secret concert recording (for personal use only). The mono record mode is great for seminars because it puts 150 minutes on a disc. The sound quality is indestinguishable from CD when digitally transfered and compared using cheap to moderate headphones. On a good system you can tell the difference, but, come on, it's not meant to replace CD and DAT. It is however meant to cassette. Another great use for MD is in the car. I had an MD player in my last car and it was great. I also had a Nak TD-500 and TD-1200II, not all at the same time!They all performed fabulously and sounded great. At $1.69 per disc (Sony MDW-74 at tapeworld.com) it's cheaper than comparable TDK MA, SMX and SAX cassette tapes and there's no tape crease problem. Don't get me wrong. I love Nakamichi tape decks. I still own several MR-1's, a TD-500, a TD-1200II and I have a CR-1A on it's way. The tapes I've made with my old BX-300 are all first rate, but, I'm not going to take an MR-1 into a concert or listen to my TD-500 on the train! Just my thoughts. SJ --- SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/6/2001 11:04:30 AM Central > Daylight Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << I'm afraid I prefer my Sony MDS JB930 and Sharp > portable MD units. MD's use > up even less travel space and sound excellent on > portable pocket sized > players. I recently vacationed in Jamaica and > really enjoyed Bob Marley > dubbed from a CD. Yeah Mon, no problem! >> > Hi John, > > You really liked the mini disk? It still sounds > digital and sometimes overly > sharp, yes? I understand the compression ratio is > only 5x versus MP3's which > are 12x's. You prefer minidisk over cassette tape? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon May 7 08:30:30 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:30:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Links to some unofficial equipment sites References: Message-ID: <55443B35.13E23D7B.026D48C1@netscape.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kfendt at web.de Mon May 7 08:52:10 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:52:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! Message-ID: <200105070652.f476qAW06170@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Sinclair, every tape you metioned below was tested by my and my Nak machines over many years: The best recordings - in my opinion - you will get using the Sony metal ES tape (which was of course very expensive). That's tapes, especially the MR-X Pro give you a fine recording, too, but this sound doesn't last for a long time: A few weeks ago I inserted an old recording (8 years or something) and was very disappointed because the high frequencies have disappeared. I tried to wind and rewind the tape a few times but the recording was ruined completely. So I can recommend the Sony tape most or you should use the cheaper and also fine Type II tapes. BTW guys: Have you ever used Sony UX-S or the ceramic guided UX-Pro tapes? What do you think about them? Regards Klaus > -----Original Message----- > From: Sinclair Forrest [SMTP:thsinclair at localdial.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > I've been a cassette enthusiast for many years and have a collection of > about 500 tapes. I currently have a Nak 480 and a Walkman Pro, and am > hoping to add a 680ZX soon. I also have a Pioneer CD-R and a DAT (great for > long radio broadcasts). Cassette is my preferred medium for the car, due to > its robustness. Anyone want to sell a TD-700? > > Here in Jersey (UK Channel Islands), it's getting quite difficult to get > blank tapes, other than TDK - and only one shop stores a decent range. Mail > order from the UK is the only option. Can't get Maxell (any type) or Sony > metal or Thats MRX-Pro (is it still made?). > > Maybe we should all start hording? > > Sinclair. -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon May 7 09:13:42 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:13:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <200105070652.f476qAW06170@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <6492C305.3A16F10B.026D48C1@netscape.net> Klaus, I used Sony UX-S and UX-Pro tapes. First are nothing special just an ordinary Type II tape (worse than TDK SA), second are rather different. I noticed a huge difference between European and Japanese versions of these tapes. European are nothing of particular just a bit better than UX-S, but Japanese ones are something - the sound is clear and crisp, high frequencies are nearly the best I've ever heard (except Maxell MX-S and TDK AR-X). I'm afraid this tape is discontinued already (I mean the Japanease one) so if you encountered the European tape I do not recommend to use it. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue May 8 00:10:31 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:10:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <3f.14b5203b.2827482c@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c0d742$88513290$b9496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Not really a case of prefer, just more convenient. I still have my Nak. 700 II waiting for you! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > In a message dated 5/6/2001 11:04:30 AM Central Daylight Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << I'm afraid I prefer my Sony MDS JB930 and Sharp portable MD units. MD's use > up even less travel space and sound excellent on portable pocket sized > players. I recently vacationed in Jamaica and really enjoyed Bob Marley > dubbed from a CD. Yeah Mon, no problem! >> > Hi John, > > You really liked the mini disk? It still sounds digital and sometimes overly > sharp, yes? I understand the compression ratio is only 5x versus MP3's which > are 12x's. You prefer minidisk over cassette tape? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue May 8 00:31:38 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:31:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! References: <200105070652.f476qAW06170@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <000701c0d745$7c177040$e98fe2c3@a9u3z8> Klaus, I found both the Sony metal ES and Maxell MX excellent on the Nak BX-125 I had at the time. I tended to favour the Maxell over the Sony, as the former had better mechanics - the Sony could be prone to flutter, at least on my deck. Haven't used may MRX-Pros, but can't say I've experienced the problems you have. I seem to recall that the Sony UX-S tapes were very good. Cheers, Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Klaus Fendt To: nak Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > Sinclair, > > every tape you metioned below was tested by my and my Nak machines over > many years: The best recordings - in my opinion - you will get using the Sony > metal ES tape (which was of course very expensive). That's tapes, especially > the MR-X Pro give you a fine recording, too, but this sound doesn't last for > a long time: A few weeks ago I inserted an old recording (8 years or something) > and was very disappointed because the high frequencies have disappeared. I tried > to wind and rewind the tape a few times but the recording was ruined completely. > > So I can recommend the Sony tape most or you should use the cheaper and also fine > Type II tapes. > > BTW guys: Have you ever used Sony UX-S or the ceramic guided UX-Pro tapes? What do > you think about them? > > Regards > > Klaus > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sinclair Forrest [SMTP:thsinclair at localdial.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:42 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank Cassette Media -beyond this decade! > > > > I've been a cassette enthusiast for many years and have a collection of > > about 500 tapes. I currently have a Nak 480 and a Walkman Pro, and am > > hoping to add a 680ZX soon. I also have a Pioneer CD-R and a DAT (great for > > long radio broadcasts). Cassette is my preferred medium for the car, due to > > its robustness. Anyone want to sell a TD-700? > > > > Here in Jersey (UK Channel Islands), it's getting quite difficult to get > > blank tapes, other than TDK - and only one shop stores a decent range. Mail > > order from the UK is the only option. Can't get Maxell (any type) or Sony > > metal or Thats MRX-Pro (is it still made?). > > > > Maybe we should all start hording? > > > > Sinclair. > > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > _______________________________________________________________________ > 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de > IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 11:29:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 05:29:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? Message-ID: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> Hi All, We've discussed what were the best performing recording and playback Nakamichi decks respectively. But I was curious and wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group. What is the most durable Nakamichi tape deck? Is it the fierce looking RX-505? Is it one of the BX-series decks? What about the big and impressive looking 700 ZXL? What about the older 700 II series? This topic arose during a conversation with a local music producer who uses the Tascam 112mkII. Although Studer/Revox are his favorites, he has totally transitioned over to digital and keeps his Tascam for demo tapes and master recordings given to him to review. I have to admit that I've seen the Tascam 112mkII in EVERY professional environment I've had an opportunity to visit. And everyone says they have it because of its durability. Is it safe to assume the Nak MR-1 is just as durable since it was targeted at this market? Just curious. Thank you all in advance for your help in answering this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 11:34:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 05:34:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Durable Nak deck? Message-ID: Sorry, I meant to type Tascam "122mkIII" in my last email message. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 11:53:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 05:53:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote if anyone needs one Message-ID: <40.b45c71c.28291c08@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1235305425 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 12:04:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 06:04:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Minidisc Message-ID: <2b.14f7a3ca.28291eb0@aol.com> Hi Scott, I will respond here and we can take this conversation "offline" since it is OT. What is the difference between making a recording using one of your Naks, and then playing it using a "Walkman" on the train. That's 90 minutes versus 74 minutes for mini disc. Also, I've noticed that Tascam offers a "professional" mini disc recorder. Does anyone on this list know if mini disc has found its way into the studio environment? If yes, in what application(s)? Thanks! -Sam Tascam professional mini disc player/recorder: http://www.tascam.com/ProductsTemplate.cfm?Category=MiniDisc&ProductName=MD-80 1RmkII ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 12:19:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 06:19:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi wallpaper 2 Message-ID: <95.a87a570.28292233@aol.com> If anyone is interested, I was using this on my system for a while and wanted to share it with you all. -Sam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c0d7a8$f0e9b6e0$56289bca@smarzuki> I'd say my 482 (& 682 - circa 79-80 ?) was still working in its original condition. Head flat out but no solder marks whatsoever - that is, until I get my hands on it, heh heh. Best answer of course would come from Stephen as he is the person those decks will go to whenever the need arises. Sam, can I get the 'outcome' of this Best Performing Nak Deck discussion ? I asked this one a while ago but apparently everybody already sick of the same question cycle. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > Hi All, > > We've discussed what were the best performing recording and playback > Nakamichi decks respectively. But I was curious and wanted to ask the > collective wisdom of this group. What is the most durable Nakamichi tape > deck? Is it the fierce looking RX-505? Is it one of the BX-series decks? > What about the big and impressive looking 700 ZXL? What about the older 700 > II series? > > This topic arose during a conversation with a local music producer who uses > the Tascam 112mkII. Although Studer/Revox are his favorites, he has totally > transitioned over to digital and keeps his Tascam for demo tapes and master > recordings given to him to review. > > I have to admit that I've seen the Tascam 112mkII in EVERY professional > environment I've had an opportunity to visit. And everyone says they have it > because of its durability. Is it safe to assume the Nak MR-1 is just as > durable since it was targeted at this market? Just curious. Thank you all > in advance for your help in answering this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 13:01:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:01:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? Message-ID: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> Hi Salim, If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best performers (not in any particular order): 1000 ZXL 700 ZXL ZX-9 ZX-7 CR-7 (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case I missed one) Your money is better spent, especially in the long term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other CR, DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. I hope this helps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 13:10:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:10:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? Message-ID: Hi All, I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question regarding PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Tue May 8 13:58:25 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 06:58:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AF7DF5D.AF92C030@sprintmail.com> I have a 600 that I bought used about 14 years ago. It has been in constant use since then recording voice over narrations and as the source deck for my editing systems. I have gone through four editing systems, but am still using the same Nak! I also have a couple of 500's that do not want to quit either. VideoVern ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Tue May 8 15:07:24 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:07:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: Message-ID: <009501c0d7bf$d3b2a700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> I have a somewhat qualified opinion regarding audiophile-quality sound cards, and will offer my view on what might serve you well. First off, if you are feeding your pc audio output to a decent amp and speakers, you will most certainly appreciate the difference between even the best Creative Labs' "Soundblaster", Diamond, or Turtle Beach cards and a REAL Audio card. What are you intending to do with the card? Strictly 2-channel analog I/O and/or SPDIF digital I/O? Or multi-track recording/playback and synchro recording? Do you need serious audio editing and processing capability? Or just plain-old recording and playback? I may even have a card you'll like that I can make a fair deal on. I want to go to a multi-track setup for a small studio at home. Email me with your answers and comments, and I'll send you some suggestions and details of what to look for. Rudy Kleimann Spring, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > Hi All, > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question regarding > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 8 16:07:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:07:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > Hi Salim, > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > performers (not in any particular order): > > 1000 ZXL > 700 ZXL > ZX-9 > ZX-7 > CR-7 > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case I > missed one) > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other CR, > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > I hope this helps. > > -Sam Sam, Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? General comment: just looking at the machines internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably less than single deck owners. Personally, I average maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable product, even taking into account advanced age), I expect it to run around 5 years between failures. My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). This history seems to bear out my reliability estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate is rather pessimistic. So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. I would feel very secure with just about any vintage Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer products). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 8 16:22:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:22:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - High-End Sony Tape Deck References: Message-ID: <3AF80115.55C4B2EA@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > There was a conversation via NakTalkers some time ago regarding the > top-of-the-line Sony tape deck. I don't recall the details, something about > seeing one. Here's a pic for whoever wanted to know more about that deck. > > -Sam > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] Sam, No offense intended but your image attachments present a real problem for me. I have a very slow connection and do not savour sitting in front of a blank screen, waiting for 120K to download. Especially since I truly do not need to look at a picture of a Sony deck. Would you please provide links to images, rather than include the images themselves? TIA. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 8 16:25:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:25:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: Message-ID: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question regarding > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > -Sam Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 8 16:22:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:22:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: Message-ID: <001101c0d7ca$4dab2000$57289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Sorry for responding 'online' ... but I'm really curious how many of naktalkers are familiar with Mr. Arny Krueger ? :-) as he seems to be the 'master' of soundcards - not mentioning the notorious (for subjectivists) abx / pcabx . Lots of fun reading too on rao whenever he's around. In case you missed this guy, you might want to check www.pcavtech.com (related to his www.pcabx.com) for oodles of soundcard reviews (I can't believe I'm typing this). Darla, Layla etc etc that I never find on local stores. For high-end (...) soundcard I think stereophile did a review of carddeluxe. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > Hi All, > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question regarding > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 16:41:53 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:41:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002701c0d7cd$075a4d80$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> check out the nov 2000 issue of stereophile on this topic..... try: www.rme.audio.com/english regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question regarding > > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for > > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > > > -Sam > > Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 16:47:15 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:47:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <009501c0d7bf$d3b2a700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <008701c0d7cd$d49620d0$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> familiar with the rme audio card from germany? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Kleimann III" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > I have a somewhat qualified opinion regarding audiophile-quality sound > cards, and will offer my view on what might serve you well. > > First off, if you are feeding your pc audio output to a decent amp and > speakers, you will most certainly appreciate the difference between even the > best Creative Labs' "Soundblaster", Diamond, or Turtle Beach cards and a > REAL Audio card. > > What are you intending to do with the card? Strictly 2-channel analog I/O > and/or SPDIF digital I/O? Or multi-track recording/playback and synchro > recording? > > Do you need serious audio editing and processing capability? Or just > plain-old recording and playback? > > I may even have a card you'll like that I can make a fair deal on. I want to > go to a multi-track setup for a small studio at home. > > Email me with your answers and comments, and I'll send you some suggestions > and details of what to look for. > > Rudy Kleimann > Spring, Tx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for > recording? > > > > Hi All, > > > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question > regarding > > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards for > > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 16:49:38 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:49:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> <001001c0d7a8$f0e9b6e0$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00b501c0d7ce$1bbcd990$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> I have a pair of zx models that require periodic attention; can I have this Stephen's email, please? Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > I'd say my 482 (& 682 - circa 79-80 ?) was still working in its original > condition. Head flat out but no solder marks whatsoever - that is, until I > get my hands on it, heh heh. Best answer of course would come from Stephen > as he is the person those decks will go to whenever the need arises. > > Sam, can I get the 'outcome' of this Best Performing Nak Deck discussion ? > I asked this one a while ago but apparently everybody already sick of the > same question cycle. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:29 PM > Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > Hi All, > > > > We've discussed what were the best performing recording and playback > > Nakamichi decks respectively. But I was curious and wanted to ask the > > collective wisdom of this group. What is the most durable Nakamichi tape > > deck? Is it the fierce looking RX-505? Is it one of the BX-series decks? > > What about the big and impressive looking 700 ZXL? What about the older > 700 > > II series? > > > > This topic arose during a conversation with a local music producer who > uses > > the Tascam 112mkII. Although Studer/Revox are his favorites, he has > totally > > transitioned over to digital and keeps his Tascam for demo tapes and > master > > recordings given to him to review. > > > > I have to admit that I've seen the Tascam 112mkII in EVERY professional > > environment I've had an opportunity to visit. And everyone says they have > it > > because of its durability. Is it safe to assume the Nak MR-1 is just as > > durable since it was targeted at this market? Just curious. Thank you > all > > in advance for your help in answering this question. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 16:52:14 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:52:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d501c0d7ce$78ed3420$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> my tascam pro da 30 blew a capstan a month after warranty expired; Leo's Pro Audio of Oakland was happy to repair it for about 200. Other than that I've used it for six years now (or so) with nothing but good sounds. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > Hi All, > > We've discussed what were the best performing recording and playback > Nakamichi decks respectively. But I was curious and wanted to ask the > collective wisdom of this group. What is the most durable Nakamichi tape > deck? Is it the fierce looking RX-505? Is it one of the BX-series decks? > What about the big and impressive looking 700 ZXL? What about the older 700 > II series? > > This topic arose during a conversation with a local music producer who uses > the Tascam 112mkII. Although Studer/Revox are his favorites, he has totally > transitioned over to digital and keeps his Tascam for demo tapes and master > recordings given to him to review. > > I have to admit that I've seen the Tascam 112mkII in EVERY professional > environment I've had an opportunity to visit. And everyone says they have it > because of its durability. Is it safe to assume the Nak MR-1 is just as > durable since it was targeted at this market? Just curious. Thank you all > in advance for your help in answering this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 8 17:05:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:05:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <009501c0d7bf$d3b2a700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <002601c0d7d0$8d737f60$57289bca@smarzuki> Hi Rudy, I hope this is of general interest as I'd like to follow your discussion. Just one quick question - as an upgrade from a generic soundblaster - which soundcard offers best value if we use it only for plain d/a use (cd audio recording) ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Kleimann III" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > I have a somewhat qualified opinion regarding audiophile-quality sound > cards, and will offer my view on what might serve you well. > > First off, if you are feeding your pc audio output to a decent amp and > speakers, you will most certainly appreciate the difference between even the > best Creative Labs' "Soundblaster", Diamond, or Turtle Beach cards and a > REAL Audio card. > > What are you intending to do with the card? Strictly 2-channel analog I/O > and/or SPDIF digital I/O? Or multi-track recording/playback and synchro > recording? > > Do you need serious audio editing and processing capability? Or just > plain-old recording and playback? > > I may even have a card you'll like that I can make a fair deal on. I want to > go to a multi-track setup for a small studio at home. > > Email me with your answers and comments, and I'll send you some suggestions > and details of what to look for. > > Rudy Kleimann > Spring, Tx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 8 17:26:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:26:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> <001001c0d7a8$f0e9b6e0$56289bca@smarzuki> <00b501c0d7ce$1bbcd990$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> Message-ID: <005801c0d7d3$528fc900$57289bca@smarzuki> Hi Carl, You're just joking, right ? Ah well, I can't tell anyway: bk11 at thuntek.net Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com Regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > I have a pair of zx models that require periodic attention; can I have this > Stephen's email, please? > > Regards, > > Carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Tue May 8 17:53:23 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:53:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <009501c0d7bf$d3b2a700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <002601c0d7d0$8d737f60$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00e701c0d7d7$03df9a20$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Please email me directly at: kleimann at wt.net for detailed discussion on this matter. I have been messing with various audiophile sound cards for about 2 years, and researching them for about 5 years. I am presently looking into 8-track syncable sound cards to replace my Event Gina. I have been VERY satisfied with this card, but want to go to 8-track simultaneous synchro recording with the ability to expand into 16,24, or even 32-track simultaneous recording/playback/mixdown. www.pcavtech.com is a good site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > > Hi Rudy, > > I hope this is of general interest as I'd like to follow your discussion. > Just one quick question - as an upgrade from a generic soundblaster - which > soundcard offers best value if we use it only for plain d/a use (cd audio > recording) ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rudy Kleimann III" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for > recording? > > > > I have a somewhat qualified opinion regarding audiophile-quality sound > > cards, and will offer my view on what might serve you well. > > > > First off, if you are feeding your pc audio output to a decent amp and > > speakers, you will most certainly appreciate the difference between even > the > > best Creative Labs' "Soundblaster", Diamond, or Turtle Beach cards and a > > REAL Audio card. > > > > What are you intending to do with the card? Strictly 2-channel analog I/O > > and/or SPDIF digital I/O? Or multi-track recording/playback and synchro > > recording? > > > > Do you need serious audio editing and processing capability? Or just > > plain-old recording and playback? > > > > I may even have a card you'll like that I can make a fair deal on. I want > to > > go to a multi-track setup for a small studio at home. > > > > Email me with your answers and comments, and I'll send you some > suggestions > > and details of what to look for. > > > > Rudy Kleimann > > Spring, Tx > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue May 8 18:08:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:08:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <009501c0d7bf$d3b2a700$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> <008701c0d7cd$d49620d0$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> Message-ID: <3AF819ED.9A11B1BF@earthlink.net> Here's a great site for technical information on sound cards. Check it out. http://www.pcavtech.com/ Cheers, Jim Volpatti Carl Cobb wrote: > > familiar with the rme audio card from germany? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rudy Kleimann III" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for > recording? > > > I have a somewhat qualified opinion regarding audiophile-quality sound > > cards, and will offer my view on what might serve you well. > > > > First off, if you are feeding your pc audio output to a decent amp and > > speakers, you will most certainly appreciate the difference between even > the > > best Creative Labs' "Soundblaster", Diamond, or Turtle Beach cards and a > > REAL Audio card. > > > > What are you intending to do with the card? Strictly 2-channel analog I/O > > and/or SPDIF digital I/O? Or multi-track recording/playback and synchro > > recording? > > > > Do you need serious audio editing and processing capability? Or just > > plain-old recording and playback? > > > > I may even have a card you'll like that I can make a fair deal on. I want > to > > go to a multi-track setup for a small studio at home. > > > > Email me with your answers and comments, and I'll send you some > suggestions > > and details of what to look for. > > > > Rudy Kleimann > > Spring, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:10 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for > > recording? > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I would like to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question > > regarding > > > PC-based digital recording. What are the best sounding PC sound cards > for > > > recording? Please respond offline. Thank you in advance for your help! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 8 18:16:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:16:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of 9500. As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > Hi Salim, > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > 1000 ZXL > > 700 ZXL > > ZX-9 > > ZX-7 > > CR-7 > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case I > > missed one) > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other CR, > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > -Sam > > Sam, > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > General comment: just looking at the machines > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > This history seems to bear out my reliability > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > is rather pessimistic. > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > products). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3AF82329.F5A3070E@yahoo.com> 700 700s2 and probably the 1000 Ron wrote: > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > Hi Salim, > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > 1000 ZXL > > 700 ZXL > > ZX-9 > > ZX-7 > > CR-7 > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case I > > missed one) > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other CR, > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > -Sam > > Sam, > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > General comment: just looking at the machines > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > This history seems to bear out my reliability > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > is rather pessimistic. > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > products). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue May 8 18:58:48 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:58:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> <00d501c0d7ce$78ed3420$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> Message-ID: <3AF825C8.20A4C8BE@yahoo.com> Now that's what I call smart electronics! Carl Cobb wrote: > > my tascam pro da 30 blew a capstan a month after warranty expired; Leo's Pro > Audio of Oakland was happy to repair it for about 200. Other than that I've > used it for six years now (or so) with nothing but good sounds. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > Hi All, > > > > We've discussed what were the best performing recording and playback > > Nakamichi decks respectively. But I was curious and wanted to ask the > > collective wisdom of this group. What is the most durable Nakamichi tape > > deck? Is it the fierce looking RX-505? Is it one of the BX-series decks? > > What about the big and impressive looking 700 ZXL? What about the older > 700 > > II series? > > > > This topic arose during a conversation with a local music producer who > uses > > the Tascam 112mkII. Although Studer/Revox are his favorites, he has > totally > > transitioned over to digital and keeps his Tascam for demo tapes and > master > > recordings given to him to review. > > > > I have to admit that I've seen the Tascam 112mkII in EVERY professional > > environment I've had an opportunity to visit. And everyone says they have > it > > because of its durability. Is it safe to assume the Nak MR-1 is just as > > durable since it was targeted at this market? Just curious. Thank you > all > > in advance for your help in answering this question. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue May 8 18:57:17 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:57:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX and 700ZXE for sale! Message-ID: <3AF8256D.851BA96C@telcel.net.ve> Hi everybody. Sorry to put this on the list but I have a Nak 680ZX and a 700ZXE perfectly working and great looking for sale. If anybody is interested please contact me at fidelman at telcel.net.ve. Thanks Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue May 8 18:58:21 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:58:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AF825AC.4DD0ECFE@telcel.net.ve> I would have to say that my Dragon which is 15 years old still looks and works as new. Isy Stephen Sank wrote: > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of > 9500. > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > > > 1000 ZXL > > > 700 ZXL > > > ZX-9 > > > ZX-7 > > > CR-7 > > > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case > I > > > missed one) > > > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, > CR-7(post > > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other > CR, > > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > Sam, > > > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > > > General comment: just looking at the machines > > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > > This history seems to bear out my reliability > > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > > is rather pessimistic. > > > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > > products). > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 19:07:47 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:07:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <4a.1568f9c9.28291668@aol.com> <001001c0d7a8$f0e9b6e0$56289bca@smarzuki> <00b501c0d7ce$1bbcd990$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> <005801c0d7d3$528fc900$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01d401c0d7e1$683f0d70$6ed6f7a5@D9569601> Joking? Hmmm.....nope. I just joined this list. Thanks for the contact. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > Hi Carl, > > You're just joking, right ? Ah well, I can't tell anyway: bk11 at thuntek.net > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > Regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > I have a pair of zx models that require periodic attention; can I have > this > > Stephen's email, please? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 8 19:30:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:30:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008101c0d7e4$8384aec0$57289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Apart from lack of calibration on CR5, how does this deck compared sonically to CR7 ? Don't they share similar electronics ? I compared two bx300s to cr4/3 and both crs sound weak on bass (thin / dry) compared to bx. As both cr4/3 are newer production than 5/7, I'm really curious whether the 5/7 has old nak's bass (with 'tweakable' op amps) or more like cr4 (only 20188 dolby amp - maybe this is the culprit). Especially when I see on your personal list the cr7 and 4 are widely separated by all nak goodies including 482z ! Also kind of surprised to see no ZX at all ... Any s/n reference for cr5 eq. mod + gear ? Is this eq mod refers to IEC standard ? Thanks much in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of > 9500. > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 8 20:05:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:05:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> <008101c0d7e4$8384aec0$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <010c01c0d7e9$78540d20$853442cf@sank1> The CR-5 does have the same electronics as the CR-7, minus the auto-cal circuitry, so it does sound very similar. I think you're right about the CX20188 dolby IC. The only weakness of the CR-4, I think. The CR-5 was discontinued right before the gear upgrade came out, so all of them were made with idler drive. The EQ correction on the CR-7's <08677 was to correct mistakes made in the rec eq & has nothing to do with the IEC-1/2 standards. An un-corrected CR-7 sounds noticeably rolled off on the upper treble in recording. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > Hi Stephen, > > Apart from lack of calibration on CR5, how does this deck compared sonically > to CR7 ? Don't they share similar electronics ? I compared two bx300s to > cr4/3 and both crs sound weak on bass (thin / dry) compared to bx. > > As both cr4/3 are newer production than 5/7, I'm really curious whether the > 5/7 has old nak's bass (with 'tweakable' op amps) or more like cr4 (only > 20188 dolby amp - maybe this is the culprit). Especially when I see on your > personal list the cr7 and 4 are widely separated by all nak goodies > including 482z ! Also kind of surprised to see no ZX at all ... > > Any s/n reference for cr5 eq. mod + gear ? Is this eq mod refers to IEC > standard ? > > Thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six > months > > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity > of > > 9500. > > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. > As > > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here > now), > > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 8 20:23:17 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:23:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Minidisk In-Reply-To: <2b.14f7a3ca.28291eb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0d7eb$f3aa8920$be40063e@a4s1s2> Sam Mini Disc has certainly made its way into radio broadcasting in the UK, with them being used for jingles, news snippets and, I believe, recorded interviews. I am not aware of it being used for music broadcasts but it wouldn't surprise me ... given the low quality of radio broadcasts over here - even FM is generally squashed! However, I understand that the BBC has found significant sound problems with making data reduction recordings of data reduction recordings that are very audible. I don't pretend to understand the causes of this; however, I gather their policy is generally that MD recordings, of music at least (e.g. jingles) should be recorded directly from a DAT. CD or other analogue device. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 08 May 2001 11:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Minidisc Hi Scott, I will respond here and we can take this conversation "offline" since it is OT. What is the difference between making a recording using one of your Naks, and then playing it using a "Walkman" on the train. That's 90 minutes versus 74 minutes for mini disc. Also, I've noticed that Tascam offers a "professional" mini disc recorder. Does anyone on this list know if mini disc has found its way into the studio environment? If yes, in what application(s)? Thanks! -Sam Tascam professional mini disc player/recorder: http://www.tascam.com/ProductsTemplate.cfm?Category=MiniDisc&ProductName=MD- 80 1RmkII ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 8 20:54:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 01:54:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> <008101c0d7e4$8384aec0$57289bca@smarzuki> <010c01c0d7e9$78540d20$853442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c0d7f0$40641e80$4d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Wow ... that's very interesting and should be the answer to cr4 vs 5 decks. Considering Nak prices over here, I guess it's feasible to cannibalise cr1 gear for a 5 ! I take it that all 5s are done with right rec eq ? If not, is it easily modified ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > The CR-5 does have the same electronics as the CR-7, minus the auto-cal > circuitry, so it does sound very similar. I think you're right about the > CX20188 dolby IC. The only weakness of the CR-4, I think. The CR-5 was > discontinued right before the gear upgrade came out, so all of them were > made with idler drive. > The EQ correction on the CR-7's <08677 was to correct mistakes made in the > rec eq & has nothing to do with the IEC-1/2 standards. An un-corrected CR-7 > sounds noticeably rolled off on the upper treble in recording. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 21:14:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:14:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - High-End Sony Tape Deck Message-ID: <59.acd16ef.28299f86@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2001 9:24:36 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Sam, No offense intended but your image attachments present a real problem for me. I have a very slow connection and do not savour sitting in front of a blank screen, waiting for 120K to download. Especially since I truly do not need to look at a picture of a Sony deck. Would you please provide links to images, rather than include the images themselves? TIA. -- Ron ========----------- >> Hi Ron, Thank you for the suggestion. No problem. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 21:27:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:27:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? Message-ID: <50.156fbb94.2829a295@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2001 10:13:58 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Rudy, I hope this is of general interest as I'd like to follow your discussion. Just one quick question - as an upgrade from a generic soundblaster - which soundcard offers best value if we use it only for plain d/a use (cd audio recording) ? Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Rudy, Thank you for your answer to my question, and since this is soooooooo off topic, please respond to me offline from NakTalkers. I primarily use my current soundcard for CD recording. I have my Teac RX-919x connected to my pc and input tracks from various tape recordings. I also edit MP3 files and create many music compilation CD's. I've noticed a few interesting developments: 1. The old "rules" of recording still apply - the better the source material the better the recording. I just purchased a very good digital music editing system to edit my .wav files. However, I do notice that occasionally I am incorporating digital artifacts into my recordings. Especially when I use the noise reduction options of my current .wav editor (Magix's Easy Editor). The new editing system is far superior to Magix's, but aren't the artifacts the result of my soundcard and not the software? Also, I sometimes hear artifacts when I've created a large .wav file from cassette. 2. NakTalkers will love this one - I have a recording a fellow NakTalker made for me using his CR-7a and it is INCREDIBLE! Well, even with my current soundcard and Teac deck (the playback is actually very good on the Teac), almost all of the wonderful Nakamichi "nuances" that are present on the cassette are not lost during the a/d conversion. What this means that the sound converted from the CR-7 recording sound better than those tracks lifted directly from a CD. I couldn't believe it but making a master recording with your Nak, and then transferring it to your HD creates a truly great sounding CD. And, you don't have the normalization and equalization issues as with tracks taken from various CD's. Anyway, I've gone on to long, let's discuss offline and I appreciate your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 21:36:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:36:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? - Thank you! Message-ID: <69.14f2d016.2829a4a2@aol.com> Thank you ALL for your response and answers to my Nak durability question. I truly appreciate it! I am awaiting a CR-7 (yes, after more than a year I am finally getting one!) and my producer/engineer friend is very curious to hear a recording made from it. He also prefers the analog signal, but is finding it easier and less expensive to remove tape hiss and background noise by going completely digital. At least for his audio books and live speech recordings. I think once he hears the CR-7, he may change his "tune." The recording Brian made for me on his CR-7 is perfect. No noise, even without Dolby B, flat, robust, warm, clean, and these qualities are present regardless of the tape deck I play his cassette on. So, I fully expect to be able to create similar recordings with my CR-7. I'll let you know if we have a Nak convert... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 21:39:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:39:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - Minidisk Message-ID: <24.132a0454.2829a555@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2001 1:25:30 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk >> Thanks Graham! I'll hold on to my wallet for now. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 21:43:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:43:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? - Thank You! Message-ID: <61.de68bcd.2829a669@aol.com> Thank you all for the wonderful reference links and sound card recommendations. I truly appreciate your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue May 8 21:51:03 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:51:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006501c0d7f8$38a6f160$91ec3fd0@oemcomputer> > > Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > -- Ron for what its worth please please take this site with a large grain of salt Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 22:03:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:03:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... Message-ID: <60.e3917f8.2829ab1d@aol.com> Hi All, I had an opportunity to somewhat "play" with a Tascam 122 mkIII this past weekend (hence probably the source of my tascam questions of late) and it is a VERY nice deck. Over priced, but very nice indeed. So, here's my question... Could you take a Tascam 122mkIII and replace the heads with any of the Nakamichi deck heads? Although the T 122mkIII doesn't include bias or equalization options (odd for a deck of this caliber and price), could you in effect create the Nakamichi sound we all enjoy within the housing of this Tascam deck? If yes, what would something like this costs? I've seen a few 122mkIII's used at various audio stores and am just curious. For me and my house, will stick with Nakamichi for now. I found the controls to be firm and sturdy, quick and quite, and maybe it's me but I have a "thing" for VU meters. Thank you in advance for your help with this question and if it is deemed an off topic event, please respond directly offline from NakTalkers. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 8 22:29:32 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:29:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AF8572C.A725395C@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of > 9500. I stand corrected... My memory must be failing. Regardless... Assuming a CR-7 has the gear drive installed, is there anything else that might be a problem in pre S/N 9500 with regard to reliability? > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. As I have posted before, people may have differing opinions about the relative durability of Nakamichi vs. ReVox. Regardless... The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of most hobbyists and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > > > 1000 ZXL > > > 700 ZXL > > > ZX-9 > > > ZX-7 > > > CR-7 > > > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case > I > > > missed one) > > > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, > CR-7(post > > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other > CR, > > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > Sam, > > > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > > > General comment: just looking at the machines > > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > > This history seems to bear out my reliability > > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > > is rather pessimistic. > > > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > > products). > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue May 8 22:29:35 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:29:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Minidisc References: <2b.14f7a3ca.28291eb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <010501c0d7fd$9b303760$91ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:04 AM > Also, I've noticed that Tascam offers a "professional" mini disc recorder. > Does anyone on this list know if mini disc has found its way into the studio > environment? If yes, in what application(s)? Thanks! > > -Sam > Hi Sam there are a number of home studio recorders that use mini disc. there are also ones that use zip drives and vhs tape. as far as pc cards are concerned pc magazine has a searchable data base with reviews at zdnet.com you can also use their search engine to get the best price. (also good for digital cameras) and don't forget kruger has an agenda (as does anyone who spends that much time on rec audio opinion) best Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 8 22:38:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:38:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> <006501c0d7f8$38a6f160$91ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AF85932.6112F48E@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > > > > Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > > > -- Ron > > for what its worth please please take this site with a large grain of salt > Warren I realize Arny is as opinionated as they come and not above making snide remarks, even when uncalled for. Still, I believe he is honest and very knowledgeable. I have found that what he says tends to be so. Is there anything you know and I don't? (I'm not being argumentative. This is an honest question). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 23:01:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 17:01:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? Message-ID: <64.dd5d6cb.2829b8c1@aol.com> "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of most hobbyists and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." -- Ron Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some of this. As I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have changed over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ endeavors and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought twice about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, can't go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first purchased my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. Outside of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter when I used my mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the same channels), an idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape selector, it is still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good for any piece of equipment. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 8 23:20:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 17:20:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic minidisc question (OT) - last one Message-ID: <4e.158c86f6.2829bd3a@aol.com> Again, I am not familiar at all with the mini disc system, so please "bear" with me. Since it is still a magnetic disk, and I am assuming that you can record over previously recorded data, at some point won't you need to defrag the individual mini disc? If yes, how is that done. Please respond offline. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <64.dd5d6cb.2829b8c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c0d80d$dfee3a40$f90456d1@D9569601> oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a reason to buy the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am paying the price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... carl ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of most > hobbyists > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > -- Ron > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some of this. As > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have changed > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ endeavors > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought twice > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, can't > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first purchased > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. Outside > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter when I used my > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the same channels), an > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape selector, it is > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good for any piece of > equipment. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed May 9 00:49:25 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 17:49:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? In-Reply-To: <00aa01c0d80d$dfee3a40$f90456d1@D9569601> Message-ID: Carl, are you on the rennlist? If not, you should definitely get on the 911 list. It is a MUST. Over 70,000 members and much information shared amongst Porsche owners. I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion on buying expensive toys. They are certainly fun...but cost you! :-) Also, I am looking for a good cd player...if anyone has one for sale, please let me know. Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl Cobb > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:26 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a > reason to buy > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am > paying the > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > carl > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Cheers, Jim Volpatti Carl Cobb wrote: > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a reason to buy > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am paying the > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > carl > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- > Nak, > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of most > > hobbyists > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > -- Ron > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some of this. As > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > changed > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > endeavors > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought twice > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > can't > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > purchased > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > Outside > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter when I used my > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the same channels), > an > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape selector, it is > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good for any piece > of > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 9 01:50:17 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:50:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <64.dd5d6cb.2829b8c1@aol.com> <00aa01c0d80d$dfee3a40$f90456d1@D9569601> <3AF878F7.275BA70D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <018c01c0d819$a330a4b0$f90456d1@D9569601> interested in an audio note p2se single ended amplifier? Using it for my PC amp right now; a bit extravagant and would like to sell. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > Carl, keeping in mind that the high end hobby is all about preferences, all amps > only pale in comparison in your eyes (and hopefully ears). I prefer the sound of > a modern tube circuit in most cases. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a reason to buy > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am paying the > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > carl > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- > > Nak, > > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of most > > > hobbyists > > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some of this. As > > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > > changed > > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > > endeavors > > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought twice > > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > > can't > > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > > purchased > > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > > Outside > > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter when I used my > > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the same channels), > > an > > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape selector, it is > > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good for any piece > > of > > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 9 01:53:02 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:53:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: Message-ID: <019a01c0d81a$054d8690$f90456d1@D9569601> am on rennlist....and audi s car list and syncro list as well. If you are looking for a very nice cd player here is an alpine competition unit.....about two years old.....great unit...require outboard amplification.......you should be able to get it for 250 if you bid NOW http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1235347619&r=0&t=0&sh owTutorial=0&ed=989376913&indexURL=0&rd=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > Carl, are you on the rennlist? If not, you should definitely get on the 911 > list. It is a MUST. Over 70,000 members and much information shared amongst > Porsche owners. I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion on buying > expensive toys. They are certainly fun...but cost you! :-) > > Also, I am looking for a good cd player...if anyone has one for sale, please > let me know. > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl Cobb > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:26 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a > > reason to buy > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am > > paying the > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > carl > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 9 01:53:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:53:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes - OT In-Reply-To: <3AF878F7.275BA70D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000101c0d81a$1a88dbe0$45d8893e@a4s1s2> Jim Modern tube circuit. P'raps but I'm still madly in love with a renovated 1960's Eico ST70 I won on e-Bay! It's relegated my solid state Quad 44 and bridged 2x 405 power amps into oblivion! ;o) That Eico is butt-ugly but she sure sounds wonderful ... Only complaint is she makes my gorgeous old Leak Troughline tube tuner sound dull - that babe sounds great with the Quads. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 08 May 2001 23:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > Carl, keeping in mind that the high end hobby is all about > preferences, all amps > only pale in comparison in your eyes (and hopefully ears). I > prefer the sound of > a modern tube circuit in most cases. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a > reason to buy > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and > am paying the > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > carl > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably > maintained deck -- > > Nak, > > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > requirements of most > > > hobbyists > > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some > of this. As > > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > > changed > > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > > endeavors > > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have > thought twice > > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > > can't > > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > > purchased > > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > > Outside > > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter > when I used my > > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the > same channels), > > an > > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape > selector, it is > > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good > for any piece > > of > > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 9 02:00:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:00:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> <3AF8572C.A725395C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <014001c0d81b$019c21e0$853442cf@sank1> Other than the gear drive & corrected EQ, late production CR-7's are identical to early CR-7's, so no other issues. And I actually really like the Revox & [front load]Tandberg decks. Just not as much as Naks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months > > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of > > 9500. > > I stand corrected... My memory must be failing. > Regardless... Assuming a CR-7 has the gear drive > installed, is there anything else that might be > a problem in pre S/N 9500 with regard to > reliability? > > > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As > > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), > > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > As I have posted before, people may have differing > opinions about the relative durability of Nakamichi > vs. ReVox. Regardless... The point I was trying to > make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > requirements of most hobbyists and therefore, > reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists. > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > > > > > 1000 ZXL > > > > 700 ZXL > > > > ZX-9 > > > > ZX-7 > > > > CR-7 > > > > > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case > > I > > > > missed one) > > > > > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, > > CR-7(post > > > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > > > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > > > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other > > CR, > > > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > > > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > > > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > > > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > > > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > > > > > General comment: just looking at the machines > > > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > > > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > > > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > > > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > > > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > > > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > > > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > > > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > > > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > > > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > > > > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > > > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > > > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > > > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > > > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > > > This history seems to bear out my reliability > > > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > > > is rather pessimistic. > > > > > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > > > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > > > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > > > products). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 9 02:07:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 17:07:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <64.dd5d6cb.2829b8c1@aol.com> <00aa01c0d80d$dfee3a40$f90456d1@D9569601> <3AF878F7.275BA70D@earthlink.net> <018c01c0d819$a330a4b0$f90456d1@D9569601> Message-ID: <3AF88A39.35AECB99@earthlink.net> I'm very happy with my Manleys. Thanks though. Jim Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > interested in an audio note p2se single ended amplifier? Using it for my PC > amp right now; a bit extravagant and would like to sell. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > Carl, keeping in mind that the high end hobby is all about preferences, > all amps > > only pale in comparison in your eyes (and hopefully ears). I prefer the > sound of > > a modern tube circuit in most cases. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a reason to > buy > > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and am paying > the > > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > > > carl > > > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably maintained > deck -- > > > Nak, > > > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the requirements of > most > > > > hobbyists > > > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some of this. > As > > > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > > > changed > > > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > > > endeavors > > > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have thought > twice > > > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > > > can't > > > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > > > purchased > > > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > > > Outside > > > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter when I used > my > > > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the same > channels), > > > an > > > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape selector, > it is > > > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good for any > piece > > > of > > > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 9 02:10:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 17:10:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes - OT References: <000101c0d81a$1a88dbe0$45d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AF88AD9.D8EF57D5@earthlink.net> Graham, Are you using EL34s? Those are some of my favorite output tubes for moderate to low efficiency speakers. Jim Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim > > Modern tube circuit. P'raps but I'm still madly in love with a renovated > 1960's Eico ST70 I won on e-Bay! It's relegated my solid state Quad 44 and > bridged 2x 405 power amps into oblivion! ;o) That Eico is butt-ugly but > she sure sounds wonderful ... Only complaint is she makes my gorgeous old > Leak Troughline tube tuner sound dull - that babe sounds great with the > Quads. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 08 May 2001 23:54 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > Carl, keeping in mind that the high end hobby is all about > > preferences, all amps > > only pale in comparison in your eyes (and hopefully ears). I > > prefer the sound of > > a modern tube circuit in most cases. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a > > reason to buy > > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and > > am paying the > > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > > > carl > > > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably > > maintained deck -- > > > Nak, > > > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > > requirements of most > > > > hobbyists > > > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some > > of this. As > > > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > > > changed > > > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > > > endeavors > > > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have > > thought twice > > > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > > > can't > > > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > > > purchased > > > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > > > Outside > > > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter > > when I used my > > > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the > > same channels), > > > an > > > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape > > selector, it is > > > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good > > for any piece > > > of > > > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 9 02:22:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:22:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... References: <60.e3917f8.2829ab1d@aol.com> Message-ID: <016901c0d81e$2900a320$853442cf@sank1> Installing Nak heads into a Tascam 122 would be a fairly monumental task, which would probably cost more than the average used Dragon. And it still wouldn't sound quite like a Nak. It would certainly sound a hell of a lot better than stock, though, of course. What would be a bit more practical would be to install B215 heads into the Tascam, since the mountings are not completely dissimilar. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... > Hi All, > > I had an opportunity to somewhat "play" with a Tascam 122 mkIII this past > weekend (hence probably the source of my tascam questions of late) and it is > a VERY nice deck. Over priced, but very nice indeed. So, here's my > question... > > Could you take a Tascam 122mkIII and replace the heads with any of the > Nakamichi deck heads? Although the T 122mkIII doesn't include bias or > equalization options (odd for a deck of this caliber and price), could you in > effect create the Nakamichi sound we all enjoy within the housing of this > Tascam deck? If yes, what would something like this costs? I've seen a few > 122mkIII's used at various audio stores and am just curious. > > For me and my house, will stick with Nakamichi for now. I found the controls > to be firm and sturdy, quick and quite, and maybe it's me but I have a > "thing" for VU meters. > > Thank you in advance for your help with this question and if it is deemed an > off topic event, please respond directly offline from NakTalkers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 9 02:25:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:25:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> <008101c0d7e4$8384aec0$57289bca@smarzuki> <010c01c0d7e9$78540d20$853442cf@sank1> <000401c0d7f0$40641e80$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <018101c0d81e$941693e0$853442cf@sank1> Ya' know, that's a pretty good use for a CR-1!:-) As a source of gear mod parts! I do not know why, but the CR-5, which came out simultaneously with the CR-7, did not have any errors in the rec eq circuit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > Hi Stephen, > > Wow ... that's very interesting and should be the answer to cr4 vs 5 decks. > Considering Nak prices over here, I guess it's feasible to cannibalise cr1 > gear for a 5 ! I take it that all 5s are done with right rec eq ? If not, > is it easily modified ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > The CR-5 does have the same electronics as the CR-7, minus the auto-cal > > circuitry, so it does sound very similar. I think you're right about the > > CX20188 dolby IC. The only weakness of the CR-4, I think. The CR-5 was > > discontinued right before the gear upgrade came out, so all of them were > > made with idler drive. > > The EQ correction on the CR-7's <08677 was to correct mistakes made in the > > rec eq & has nothing to do with the IEC-1/2 standards. An un-corrected > CR-7 > > sounds noticeably rolled off on the upper treble in recording. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Wed May 9 03:43:45 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:43:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes - OT In-Reply-To: <000101c0d81a$1a88dbe0$45d8893e@a4s1s2> References: <3AF878F7.275BA70D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010508214149.00bd00d0@mail.verizon.net> At 5/8/01, you wrote: >Jim >... That Eico (ST-70) is butt-ugly but she sure sounds wonderful ... >Only complaint is she makes my gorgeous old Leak Troughline >tube tuner sound dull - that babe sounds great with the Quads. > >Graham That tuner shouldn't sound dull. Maybe Steve might do a good job of aligning it. ___________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Wed May 9 03:52:36 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:52:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... In-Reply-To: <016901c0d81e$2900a320$853442cf@sank1> References: <60.e3917f8.2829ab1d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010508214506.00be2550@mail.verizon.net> At 5/8/01, you wrote: >Installing Nak heads into a Tascam 122 would be a fairly monumental task, >which would probably cost more than the average used Dragon. And it still >wouldn't sound quite like a Nak. It would certainly sound a hell of a lot >better than stock, though, of course. What would be a bit more practical >would be to install B215 heads into the Tascam, since the mountings are not >completely dissimilar. The unfortunate thing about the Teac/Tascam and Revox decks is that they have a sandwich type three head setup, ie, the record and play head are on one block. What makes the Tandberg and and Nakamichi three head machines stand out is their discreet three head design. The best cassette tape handling I ever came across was the old Teac C-2 machine, from the superb C series. The C1 was a great, deck, with three motors interchangeable cards for bias, eq and rec level and first rate sound. The C-3, the runt of the litter, later became the 122 pro machine. I had the pleasure of owning a C2 deck for many years -- and if it had had discrete heads is would have been easily on a par with Nak's best. ____________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed May 9 04:32:49 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:32:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010508214506.00be2550@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Interestingly, my JVC TD-V66 has also discrete three head configuration like the CR4 (and unlike the CTF1250 or Denon 740 I also have). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Tue, May 08, 2001 8:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... At 5/8/01, you wrote: >Installing Nak heads into a Tascam 122 would be a fairly monumental task, >which would probably cost more than the average used Dragon. And it still >wouldn't sound quite like a Nak. It would certainly sound a hell of a lot >better than stock, though, of course. What would be a bit more practical >would be to install B215 heads into the Tascam, since the mountings are not >completely dissimilar. The unfortunate thing about the Teac/Tascam and Revox decks is that they have a sandwich type three head setup, ie, the record and play head are on one block. What makes the Tandberg and and Nakamichi three head machines stand out is their discreet three head design. The best cassette tape handling I ever came across was the old Teac C-2 machine, from the superb C series. The C1 was a great, deck, with three motors interchangeable cards for bias, eq and rec level and first rate sound. The C-3, the runt of the litter, later became the 122 pro machine. I had the pleasure of owning a C2 deck for many years -- and if it had had discrete heads is would have been easily on a par with Nak's best. ____________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed May 9 05:43:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:43:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... Message-ID: In a message dated 5/8/2001 7:22:57 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Installing Nak heads into a Tascam 122 would be a fairly monumental task, which would probably cost more than the average used Dragon. And it still wouldn't sound quite like a Nak. It would certainly sound a hell of a lot better than stock, though, of course. What would be a bit more practical would be to install B215 heads into the Tascam, since the mountings are not completely dissimilar. >> Hi Stephen, Now that's not a bad idea as I understand the Revox B215 is one of the "best" decks available. I'll mention that to my friend after he hears my CR-7. I'm telling you, after you fix the bias drift problem, Mike's CR-7 should sound awesome. So, I'll just hold tight until then. How are you by the way... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed May 9 05:45:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:45:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is this off topic - combining decks question... Message-ID: <74.a66f80a.282a1775@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2001 9:33:17 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << Interestingly, my JVC TD-V66 has also discrete three head configuration like the CR4 (and unlike the CTF1250 or Denon 740 I also have). Stan >> Hi Stan, How do you like your CTF 1250? It is am impressive looking deck from the 70's. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 9 06:16:57 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:46:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] most durable Nak - what is reliabilty? Message-ID: <20010509041657.B85A11DFB5A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed May 9 06:30:00 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:00:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] reliable Nak - use of CR1 Message-ID: <20010509043000.0CCF61DFB8F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 9 09:30:33 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:30:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes - OT - Jim and Marc In-Reply-To: <3AF88AD9.D8EF57D5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c0d859$ef075ce0$6ed8893e@a4s1s2> Yes Jim, Sylvania EL34s. First time I heard it I thought of all the things I'd read about tubes sounding "warm" but what struck me about the Eico was that it is not in the least "woolly sounding - when it kicks bass drum with a wallop, it kicks bass drum and there is absolutely no muddling between that and the bass guitar. It must have lost something at the top end, I thought - often heard they do - and they I heard it play some jazz and the drummers cymbals rang as true as if they were in the room with me. So compared with the Quad's this tube amp is simply richer in the mid range without losing anything at the top off bottom. But I think it's just one of those compatibility things when it comes to the tuner. The Leak even beats the Quad FM4 with the Quad amps, giving a rich, full sound to music. It lacks little in "kick" and is lively at the top, altho' both lack the spaciousness I get with an old top-of-range 1970s Sony tuner. But sibilance is a problem with the Sony partnered with the Quad. That problem, however vanishes when you partner the Sony tuner with the Eico amp. The sound then is very good and slightly better than with the Quad FM4. But the poor old Leak ... it just weeps to be back with the Quad amps where it can out shine both the other two solid states! It is for this same reason that I have veered away with replacing my present CD (Rotel RD565 with modified QED Digit DAC) with an Ah! tube modified and tuned Marantz CD player. I hear great things about the Ah! player but I'm nervous of this valve-on-valve effect I get with the Leak and Eico in partnership. Just to keep on topic, the ol' BX1 sounds very nice with the Eico and not worse with the Quads. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 09 May 2001 01:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tubes - OT Graham, Are you using EL34s? Those are some of my favorite output tubes for moderate to low efficiency speakers. Jim Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim > > Modern tube circuit. P'raps but I'm still madly in love with a renovated > 1960's Eico ST70 I won on e-Bay! It's relegated my solid state Quad 44 and > bridged 2x 405 power amps into oblivion! ;o) That Eico is butt-ugly but > she sure sounds wonderful ... Only complaint is she makes my gorgeous old > Leak Troughline tube tuner sound dull - that babe sounds great with the > Quads. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 08 May 2001 23:54 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > Carl, keeping in mind that the high end hobby is all about > > preferences, all amps > > only pale in comparison in your eyes (and hopefully ears). I > > prefer the sound of > > a modern tube circuit in most cases. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > > > oh, when you try out your first levinson you'll try to find a > > reason to buy > > > the thing and all other amps will pale in comparison > > > > > > don't drive a 911 unless you can afford it; I bought a C2 and > > am paying the > > > price in maintenance now.....no tix yet, though... > > > > > > carl > > > > > > ps: I sold my levinson model 27 to purchase a parasound > > > 1206....mistake....shoulda kept the levinson and used my old solid state > > > amps (in garage now; adcom, bryston) to do the home theatre.... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > > "The point I was trying to make was that a reasonably > > maintained deck -- > > > Nak, > > > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > > requirements of most > > > > hobbyists > > > > and therefore, reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists." > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Thanks Ron. Again, please "bear" with me as I am new to some > > of this. As > > > > I've mentioned in previous posts, my listening habits and likes have > > > changed > > > > over the years and I now find myself moved away from my earlier DJ > > > endeavors > > > > and quickly moving towards the musician and studio engineer in me. > > > > > > > > And, I think (I am not confessing this) I am have been bitten by the > > > > audiophile bug. For example, 10 years ago I wouldn't have > > thought twice > > > > about a $25,000 Krell speaker. But now, I'm curious. Gotta fight it, > > > can't > > > > go down that lonely road. (smile) Just joking. > > > > > > > > What is considered "hobbyist" use in terms of hours? When I first > > > purchased > > > > my BX-150, it was my primary music source and was used a great deal. > > > Outside > > > > of needing a meter adjustment (e.g. I messed up the meter > > when I used my > > > > mixer to feed signal and had the deck set to record on the > > same channels), > > > an > > > > idler replacement, and a re-calibration of the manual tape > > selector, it is > > > > still running strong. 14 years of heavy use is pretty good > > for any piece > > > of > > > > equipment. Thanks! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed May 9 14:36:57 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:36:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? In-Reply-To: <019a01c0d81a$054d8690$f90456d1@D9569601> Message-ID: Sorry I wasn't clearer.....I meant a home audio compact disc player. Alex > am on rennlist....and audi s car list and syncro list as well. > > If you are looking for a very nice cd player here is an alpine competition > unit.....about two years old.....great unit...require outboard > amplification.......you should be able to get it for 250 if you bid NOW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed May 9 20:00:34 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:00:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] - combining decks question... CTF1250 In-Reply-To: <74.a66f80a.282a1775@aol.com> Message-ID: I got the deck on e-bay. It looks great, plays the tapes, but needs some tune-up. I hope to have it fixed one day. As such, it is hard to comment about its performance. One day I hope to get my current collection / "cemetery" of tape decks put back to live and do some comparisons between them. (CTF1250, HK 491, JVC KDA77, JVC DD99, Denon 740, JVC TDV66, CR2, CR4) >From my fully functional tape decks, the CR4 is the best, no questions asked. However, the JVC TDV66 is best alligned with my NISSAN-BOSE cassette deck in the car, so I use it for car recording (although most car listenning comes from the CD anyways.) Still hope to put my hand on a ZX-9, 682ZX, and SONY TCK7ES / Pioneer CT95 (the latter two are the only decks that I have seen manufacturers claiming fr. response of 10-30,000 +/-3db.) (Sony is still available in Japan - and it is quite a bit more expensive and sophisticated unit than the TCK3ES whose picture was recently posted on this list ...) Now, I have no clue why I want / have all these decks, but this is another story altogether ... Hi Stan, How do you like your CTF 1250? It is am impressive looking deck from the 70's. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 9 20:12:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:12:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? References: <1e.1575ffaa.28292c1c@aol.com> <3AF7FD95.89199AD0@concentric.net> <00d201c0d7da$42fa0da0$853442cf@sank1> <3AF8572C.A725395C@concentric.net> <014001c0d81b$019c21e0$853442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AF98895.9D136216@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Other than the gear drive & corrected EQ, late production CR-7's are > identical to early CR-7's, so no other issues. > And I actually really like the Revox & [front load]Tandberg decks. Just not > as much as Naks. Ah, same here. And thanks for the info. I almost got a bit worried.... -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six > months > > > LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > > > specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity > of > > > 9500. > > > > I stand corrected... My memory must be failing. > > Regardless... Assuming a CR-7 has the gear drive > > installed, is there anything else that might be > > a problem in pre S/N 9500 with regard to > > reliability? > > > > > As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. > As > > > are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > > > brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, > unlike > > > the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here > now), > > > which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, > 600, > > > etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > > > As I have posted before, people may have differing > > opinions about the relative durability of Nakamichi > > vs. ReVox. Regardless... The point I was trying to > > make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, > > ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > > requirements of most hobbyists and therefore, > > reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:07 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What is the most durable Nak? > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > > > > > > > << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > > > > > If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best > > > > > performers (not in any particular order): > > > > > > > > > > 1000 ZXL > > > > > 700 ZXL > > > > > ZX-9 > > > > > ZX-7 > > > > > CR-7 > > > > > > > > > > (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in > case > > > I > > > > > missed one) > > > > > > > > > > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > > > > > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > > > > > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, > > > CR-7(post > > > > > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, > 682ZX, > > > > > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one > for > > > > > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the > other > > > CR, > > > > > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > > > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > > > > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > > > > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > > > > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > > > > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > > > > > > > > General comment: just looking at the machines > > > > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > > > > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > > > > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > > > > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > > > > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > > > > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > > > > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > > > > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > > > > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > > > > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > > > > > > > > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > > > > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > > > > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > > > > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > > > > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > > > > This history seems to bear out my reliability > > > > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > > > > is rather pessimistic. > > > > > > > > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > > > > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > > > > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > > > > products). > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 9 20:31:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:31:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] most durable Nak - what is reliabilty? References: <20010509041657.B85A11DFB5A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3AF98D0B.EDF953E4@concentric.net> To me, the requirement of reasonable maintenance is a given. Any claims to reliability and durability must assume such maintenance is regularly performed. No one expects a car to perform as rated without periodic oil changes and tune-ups. I don't expect a cassette deck to do without, either. The same applies to r-t-r machines and VCRs. The maintenance I apply is fairly simple: once every 10-20 hours demagnetize and clean heads and tape path (takes about 10 minutes). Once a year to 18 months clean the whole mechanism thoroughly and lubricate where indicated. Then, check response and speed (takes a couple of hours). That's it. I suspect Stephen would recommend more, but this has served me well over the years with my Grundig, then Revox r-t-r decks (sold both as 'mint'), then my Naks. Whenever neglected (yes, it happened), there was a price to pay... -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > It is true that Nak decks like any other mechanical/ electronic consumer product require maintanence. I do suspect that even Revox may need similar attention like Nak. Do Revox products work most of the time without any attention for a period say 5- 8 years ( 97% probabilty)? > Something built using over-designed nuts/ bolts or frames do not constitute maintanence free product? Even electronics or head alignment becomes a part of problems that you may encounter any cassette recording / playing product. Since I also believe that Revox has such a reputation for solid product designs, should be better than Nak but I have seen no problem at all with my CR3 which may be 10 years old while I had to replace large number of Caps in Dragon ( of similar age or older than CR3)- and that is the only problem in my Dragon! I am sure that this CR3 will not give any problem for next 3 - 5 years. > For a non hobbyist is this CR3 a better product( than Dragon) just because it had not given problem during its use for last 10 years? > > My humble openion is "Reliabilty to an extent of no attention or service for a long period is not worth if it does not perform" - > > Nak decks perform with may be little more attention like pinch rollar/ belts and occasional motor replacement/ head alignment. And how the hell Stephen and Geff galin would become an important players among us if there are no problems! > > I feel I should point out that Dragon and may be few of top Nak decks require reliabilty modifications which would place them on top with regard to better MTBF. Orange capacitor replacement is one among such mods!( this may become evident after say 8 -10 years) > > I agree with Stephen on old Nak mechanism is a great product and works well after so many years of use. > And it helps Nak produce great sound ( even though the mechanism is not a good looking one like later Sankyo machanism which looks cute with compact and symmetrical arrangement) > > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > >> No, Ron. The gear upgrade was incorporated into production about six months > >> LATER than the EQ correction on the CR-7. I have yet to nail down the > >> specific serial number of gear mod transition, but it is in the vicinity of > >> 9500. > > > >I stand corrected... My memory must be failing. > >Regardless... Assuming a CR-7 has the gear drive > >installed, is there anything else that might be > >a problem in pre S/N 9500 with regard to > >reliability? > > > >> As for durability, a *properly serviced* Dragon is astoundingly durable. As > >> are virtually all of the "real Nak transport" Naks from 1978 on. Such a > >> brilliantly designed mechanism that they simply refuse to get old, unlike > >> the heavier Revox & Tandberg mechs(as I've said quite a few times here now), > >> which definitely DO get old. And yes, even the "antique" 1000, 700, 600, > >> etc. decks are mostly all still going strong. > > > >As I have posted before, people may have differing > >opinions about the relative durability of Nakamichi > >vs. ReVox. Regardless... The point I was trying to > >make was that a reasonably maintained deck -- Nak, > >ReVox, Tandberg or similar -- more than meets the > >requirements of most hobbyists and therefore, > >reliability is not an issue for most hobbyists. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ron" > > >> > Why require CR-7s post S/N 9500? The equalization mod > >> > was incorporated after S/N 8677. The gear mod was > >> > instigated even earlier. Both mods can be built into > >> > any CR-7 from S/N 100 onward. I am not aware of any > >> > other issue specific to older CR-7s. Are you? > >> > > >> > General comment: just looking at the machines > >> > internals as an Engineer, I can tell that Naks are > >> > not built as ruggedly as, say, ReVox or Tandberg > >> > decks. OTOH, many of us use the machines, at home, > >> > rather sparingly. The collectors among us, probably > >> > less than single deck owners. Personally, I average > >> > maybe 10 hours a week or less on my cassette deck. > >> > If the deck MTBF is, say, 2500 hours (which is, on > >> > purpose, a pretty low estimate for any reasonable > >> > product, even taking into account advanced age), I > >> > expect it to run around 5 years between failures. > >> > > >> > My own experience? 700 -- owned for 6 years (bought > >> > new) -- zero problems. 582 -- owned for 16 years > >> > (bought new) -- 2 problems. CR-7 -- still owned > >> > after 5 years (bought 11 years old) -- one problem > >> > (likely brought about by poor routine maintenance). > >> > This history seems to bear out my reliability > >> > estimate. If anything, my 2500 hour MTBF estimate > >> > is rather pessimistic. > >> > > >> > So, for me, long term durability is not an issue. > >> > I would feel very secure with just about any vintage > >> > Nakamichi deck (I am not so sure about the newer > >> > products). > >> > > >> > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed May 9 21:07:29 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:07:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> <006501c0d7f8$38a6f160$91ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF85932.6112F48E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01a401c0d8bb$5dc13140$b5f63fd0@oemcomputer> My problem with Krueger is that he has an agenda that is violently pro digital, especially in trying to prove that the woefully lacking red book standard is all we need. He also believes all amps sound the same unless broken ad nauseum. The truth as the old japanese saying goes lies somewhere in the middle of the extreme view points of both sides of the rao wars. I also find he has become because of a website and the ability to post a few alogrithyms a Quote expert which he is not. the only inhabitant of RAO and RAHE that is an expert is JJ who invents perceptual coding for ATT. at least he does the real world acoustic experiments. and if you note his posts they are less couched in the world of those who know everything. I would suggest that zdnet.com is a better place to start as you not only have reviews by experts but reviews by users and a search engine to get the best price. In all lists you get those who post quite a bit but if you could do a deja search like you used to and get the volume of arny's posts one could wonder when he has time to do anything else. having said all that I have my biases too but I know when to shut up and let others have their say. Warren Ps I must say that along with only a couple of my other lists the level of civil discourse on nak talk is very high. as is the quality of information ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > for what its worth please please take this site with a large grain of salt > > Warren > > I realize Arny is as opinionated as they come and not > above making snide remarks, even when uncalled for. > Still, I believe he is honest and very knowledgeable. > I have found that what he says tends to be so. > > Is there anything you know and I don't? (I'm not being > argumentative. This is an honest question). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 9 22:45:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:45:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for recording? References: <3AF801F2.5AC6FFC6@concentric.net> <006501c0d7f8$38a6f160$91ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3AF85932.6112F48E@concentric.net> <01a401c0d8bb$5dc13140$b5f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3AF9AC65.87EF56F8@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > My problem with Krueger is that he has an agenda > that is violently pro digital, especially in trying to prove > that the woefully lacking red book standard is all we need. I have read a fair amount of Arny's posts and was not so impressed. I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. > He also believes all amps sound the same unless broken > ad nauseum. This was not my impression, either. I would say that differences between *good* amps are much smaller than, say, differences between speakers. No one in his right mind would argue that all amps sound the same. > The truth as the old japanese saying goes lies > somewhere in the middle of the extreme view points of > both sides of the rao wars. rao wars have to do with people's egos much more than with their opinions (let alone, Audio expertise). > I also find he has become because of a website and the ability > to post a few alogrithyms a Quote expert which he is not. > the only inhabitant of RAO and RAHE that is an expert > is JJ who invents perceptual coding for ATT. at least he > does the real world acoustic experiments. and if you note > his posts they are less couched in the world of those who know everything. > > I would suggest that zdnet.com is a better place to start as you not > only have reviews by experts but reviews by users and a search engine to > get the best price. My problem with user's opinions is that very rarely are users qualified to express opinions. Most of the time, someone has chosen product X, used it for a couple of weeks and posted an opinion based on that experience. Usually, with no frame of reference to compare to other similar products. Useless. As to the 'experts' opinions -- I have read quite a few web sites purporting to offer advice on audio equipment and was often impressed with how little these self appointed experts actually know of Electronics or Audio. Some of them can be actually hilarious. > In all lists you get those who post quite a bit but if you could do > a deja search like you used to and get the volume of arny's posts > one could wonder when he has time to do anything else. Seems like Audio is his hobby, as well as his profession. Cruising through the NGs, I can identify many others that post such, or larger, volume (albeit, with much slimmer content value). BTW, JJ is quite prolific as well. In any case, while it sounds derogatory, I fail to see how it reflects on his opinions. -- Ron > having said all that I have my biases too but I know when > to shut up and let others have their say. > > Warren > > Ps > I must say that along with only a couple of my other lists > the level of civil discourse on nak talk is very high. as is the > quality of information > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what is the best pc sound card for > recording? > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at Arny Krueger's site, http://www.pcavtech.com/ > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > for what its worth please please take this site with a large grain of > salt > > > Warren > > > > I realize Arny is as opinionated as they come and not > > above making snide remarks, even when uncalled for. > > Still, I believe he is honest and very knowledgeable. > > I have found that what he says tends to be so. > > > > Is there anything you know and I don't? (I'm not being > > argumentative. This is an honest question). > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu May 10 05:56:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:56:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL super deal! Message-ID: Hey, This is a great buy if anyone is interested. Unfortunately, I want a CR-7, Dragon, and maybe a 700 II. Happy bidding, ends in 25 minutes. -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1235106215 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 10 21:25:10 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:25:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <36.157407a4.28244fa1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AFAEB16.F8243B04@sunint.co.za> Hi Sam, Really enjoyed your guides to these sites. Thanks. That Metal ES, much spoken about looks excellent, not to mention the Metal Master. Cheers, MARC SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi All! > > Given the latest bad news from TDK of America, I wanted to share the links > below with all of you and ask if anyone has ever used any of these blank > cassettes and how they performed? And more pressing, can anyone on this > list purchase any of these cassettes? > > Thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your responses. > BTW - since this is off topic (e.g. "OT") please feel free to respond to me > "offline" at my email address. Thanks! > > -Sam > > The following links are from "Andrew's HiFi Recommendation" webpage: > > TDK MA-EX awesome quality, only sold in Japan > http://www.tdk.co.jp/tjbbc01/bbc19000.htm > > Maxell MX-S > (no URL) > > EMTEC - BASF Reference Master Cassettes awesome quality, sold at Sam Ash > http://www.jrpro.com/aud-prod.htm > > Sony Metal XR sold in Europe only > http://www.sony-media.com/en/consumer/products/tapes3.html > > Sony CDix Metal sold in Japan only > (if I remember correctly, there is a Sony CD-it available from Tower Records.) > > Sony ES Metal sold in Japan only > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > Sony Super Metal Master TYPE IV winner of an Emmy Award for advancing Metal > Tape technology; buy as many as you can when you find them > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/A-ME/SuperMetarMaster.html > > Quantegy pro-quality, former name "Ampeg", sold at Ametron, Sam Ash, West LA > Music > http://www.quantegy.com/ > > For those interested, Sony metal tape link: > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/rmeg/mediatech/techspec/techMPT.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri May 11 06:42:17 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:42:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the devil-Phase Linear 7000 deck References: <00f601c0d9d1$0bcf4860$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AFB6DA9.324F95C8@yahoo.com> I'm not the one auctioning it! Wouldn't want another one though but he probably wants a fortune. and it's not that great a deck although it's the best looking one I've ever seen! See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > No more than a week after the Pioneer CT-A1, aka Phase Linear 7000 was > talked about, which I had never seen before, a 7000 comes up on ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1237102497 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Fri May 11 14:06:37 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:06:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Getting IC's on the net for dolby c unit Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D33B@CPT-01> Do you know where i can get any LA2730 IC's on the net. i am trying to fix my dolby c unit and this was the IC recomended by stephen. the technician reckons there are none of these in south africa. regards neal walker -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 09 March 2001 01:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl I don't have an NR200 manual around to see the meter drive circuits, but, if it is an ordinary opamp stage, you simply need to change the ratio of the gain setting resistors. Voltage gain is determined by the formula: Av= R2/R1, where Av is voltage gain, R2 is the feedback resistor, and R1 is the resistor that from the input end of the feedback resistor to ground(or to input signal if an inverting amp stage). You just need to switch either resistor value such that the ratio of R2/R1 is 1/10th of the existing ratio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > Kent, > > Mine also use sockets but strangely 1 is soldered ! All solder looks > original though. The ICs are all LA 2730, probably assembled about the time > Nak switched to this chip. > > I was thinking on putting 15k tone on it, using mpx knob as a switch between > 400 and 15k. Would it be too difficult to incorporate a meter -20db sens > adjuster as in Nak decks ? > > Salim SM > can't believe nak put so many screws on such small unit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > > Neal, > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, this > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a bad > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > Kent Merideth > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri May 11 14:31:22 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:31:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Getting IC's on the net for dolby c unit References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D33B@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3AFBDB9A.7FF8A081@yahoo.com> Your best bet is to go to Altavista and search for la2730. You won't get too many responses but enough that you can comparison shop. On the subject of Dolby chips. I have never fully understood how the legal end of dolby works. It's hard to find dolby chips and genreric ones don't seem to exist even though their patent must have expired years ago. Javier Neal Walker wrote: > > Do you know where i can get any LA2730 IC's on the net. i am trying to fix > my dolby c unit and this was the IC recomended by stephen. the technician > reckons there are none of these in south africa. > > regards > neal walker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 09 March 2001 01:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > I don't have an NR200 manual around to see the meter drive circuits, but, if > it is an ordinary opamp stage, you simply need to change the ratio of the > gain setting resistors. Voltage gain is determined by the formula: Av= > R2/R1, where Av is voltage gain, R2 is the feedback resistor, and R1 is the > resistor that from the input end of the feedback resistor to ground(or to > input signal if an inverting amp stage). You just need to switch either > resistor value such that the ratio of R2/R1 is 1/10th of the existing ratio. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > > Kent, > > > > Mine also use sockets but strangely 1 is soldered ! All solder looks > > original though. The ICs are all LA 2730, probably assembled about the > time > > Nak switched to this chip. > > > > I was thinking on putting 15k tone on it, using mpx knob as a switch > between > > 400 and 15k. Would it be too difficult to incorporate a meter -20db sens > > adjuster as in Nak decks ? > > > > Salim SM > > can't believe nak put so many screws on such small unit. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > > > > Neal, > > > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, > this > > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a > bad > > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 11 16:41:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:41:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Getting IC's on the net for dolby c unit References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D33B@CPT-01> Message-ID: <016101c0da28$86d49680$8e3442cf@sank1> I just bought some LA2730's from Consolidated Electronics: http://www.ceitron.com which is a great source for semiconductors, especially older ones, for which they have an excellent search system. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Getting IC's on the net for dolby c unit > Do you know where i can get any LA2730 IC's on the net. i am trying to fix > my dolby c unit and this was the IC recomended by stephen. the technician > reckons there are none of these in south africa. > > regards > neal walker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 09 March 2001 01:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > I don't have an NR200 manual around to see the meter drive circuits, but, if > it is an ordinary opamp stage, you simply need to change the ratio of the > gain setting resistors. Voltage gain is determined by the formula: Av= > R2/R1, where Av is voltage gain, R2 is the feedback resistor, and R1 is the > resistor that from the input end of the feedback resistor to ground(or to > input signal if an inverting amp stage). You just need to switch either > resistor value such that the ratio of R2/R1 is 1/10th of the existing ratio. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen806%40yahoo.com > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: dolby c for nak 1000zxl > > > > > > Kent, > > > > Mine also use sockets but strangely 1 is soldered ! All solder looks > > original though. The ICs are all LA 2730, probably assembled about the > time > > Nak switched to this chip. > > > > I was thinking on putting 15k tone on it, using mpx knob as a switch > between > > 400 and 15k. Would it be too difficult to incorporate a meter -20db sens > > adjuster as in Nak decks ? > > > > Salim SM > > can't believe nak put so many screws on such small unit. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > > > > Neal, > > > > If the Dolby Noise Reduction ICs used in the outboard unit are uA7300, > this > > is the probable cause. This would be true of either NR-100 or NR-200. I > > think the term for the problem is "popcorn noise". From past postings by > > Stephen Sank, I think he said the ICs of choice are LA2730, they are more > > stable. Am I remembering correctly Stephen? Of course there could be a > bad > > solder connection or cracked trace in a printed circuit board (PCB). Just > > out of curiosity, my NR-200 has sockets for the Dolby NR ICs, is this the > > case with anyone else? If it did not come from the factory that way, > > whoever added them did an extremely good job of soldering them in. > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/01 02:54AM >>> > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 12 00:56:23 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:56:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? Message-ID: Mission DAD cd player? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1237283185 By the way, there is a broken 480Z on the ebay cd section under nakamichi....it's at $16 with no bids. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat May 12 01:24:29 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:24:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Link to an interesting collection of top tape decks ... In-Reply-To: <00f601c0d9d1$0bcf4860$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: http://www14.freeweb.ne.jp/art/k-nisi/deck.htm There we have the intriguing CT-A1 by Pioneer. It looks like it cost a fortune - pretty much the same as CR-7. Nice pictures of TEAC 7000/6000/5000, Pioneer CT-A9 and CT-1100S with the metal fr response of 10-30,000 +/- 3. Some high end Hitachi decks... The page is in Japanese, but you can still see the pictures and some basic parameters. (Collection continues on page 2). Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 12 01:37:09 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:37:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) Message-ID: Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the Lambda transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the dough on separates like the PS stuff. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat May 12 01:39:41 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:39:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? References: Message-ID: <024701c0da73$a6c50d80$9cec3fd0@oemcomputer> its a cd player it is not a dvd player and it wont play anything other than red book cds if thats what your asking nice overkill heat sink on the rear though (at least I hope its overkill) Warren ps I'd say its fairly old too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > Mission DAD cd player? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1237283185 > > By the way, there is a broken 480Z on the ebay cd section under > nakamichi....it's at $16 with no bids. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat May 12 01:50:31 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:50:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <009301c0da75$2b45d700$06021fac@brianm> What is your price range? Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the Lambda > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat May 12 02:12:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:12:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <3AFC7FD0.D279F4D6@earthlink.net> Hi Alex, You haven't mentioned your budget for a CD player but the sound of digital playback has increased so much in the last couple of years that I would recommend going with a reasonably priced, high quality DAC if you own a CD player with a coax output or if not, buy a complete CD player of the same ilk. Feel free to email me off line with your system particulars and I'll make a couple of recommendations that are sure to keep your toes tapping. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Alex Cagann wrote: > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the Lambda > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 12 02:21:33 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) In-Reply-To: <009301c0da75$2b45d700$06021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Around $600 for something used. Alex > What is your price range? > > Brian Miller > Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat May 12 02:39:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:39:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <3AFC864B.2F8106A6@earthlink.net> Whatever you buy, make sure it is current technology. Digital has gotten MUCH better in the last couple of years. Jim Volpatti Alex Cagann wrote: > > Around $600 for something used. > > Alex > > > What is your price range? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat May 12 02:46:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:46:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX3... Anyone ineterested? Message-ID: <3AFC87E1.E630ACA2@concentric.net> fastcat at aol.com posted on alt.home-theater.misc: NAKAMICHI Cassette Deck, LX3, Dolby B&C, bias control, eq, metal, needs repair. Cost new $600.00, "AS-IS" only $75 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat May 12 03:23:42 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:23:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <3AFC7FD0.D279F4D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006c01c0da82$2f51d670$5d853604@D9569601> I purchased a used Proceed D/A unit for a grand about 6 years ago; wonderful unit. I think you can buy these used for less than 500 now. They have that wonderful Levinson construction quality and four inputs. The only drawback is it does not accept 96khz inputs so that may be a showstopper. I use a Marantz CD 63 mkII for the CD playback; it all sounds very clean. This is a 300 retail priced unit. Were I to buy a new unit and not want an outboard DA unit I would probably look at the Rega Planet CD table. FWIW Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Hi Alex, > > You haven't mentioned your budget for a CD player but the sound of > digital playback has increased so much in the last couple of years that > I would recommend going with a reasonably priced, high quality DAC if > you own a CD player with a coax output or if not, buy a complete CD > player of the same ilk. Feel free to email me off line with your system > particulars and I'll make a couple of recommendations that are sure to > keep your toes tapping. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Alex Cagann wrote: > > > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I > > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the Lambda > > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but > > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the > > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > > > Alex > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat May 12 03:27:08 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:27:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <008001c0da82$a9eb07d0$5d853604@D9569601> I had a Nak OMS thing once; it jammed with an expensive Mobile Fidelity CD in it. I was warned NOT to buy OMS series products by a former Nak repair guy. Buy a used Rega Planet instead or a Marantz CD 63 Mk II and use the coax out with a good DA unit. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the Lambda > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat May 12 05:12:38 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:12:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <028001c0da91$66730160$9cec3fd0@oemcomputer> if you have a player with a coax out buy the msb link dac 3 for about $300.00 if you don't have a player buy a current rotel or marantz unit depending on a local dealer. I'd stay away from used cd players the life of the laser is limited and the new digital chips are nice. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Around $600 for something used. > > Alex > > > What is your price range? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 12 05:50:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:50:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? References: Message-ID: <01e101c0da96$b2e86c60$8e3442cf@sank1> That Mission cd player was a modified second generation Philips/Magnavox(FD2041, I think). Not terrible at all. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > Mission DAD cd player? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1237283185 > > By the way, there is a broken 480Z on the ebay cd section under > nakamichi....it's at $16 with no bids. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 12 06:10:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:10:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <008001c0da82$a9eb07d0$5d853604@D9569601> Message-ID: <020701c0da99$83364fc0$8e3442cf@sank1> The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, which I've not heard). I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the $600 used market range. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > I had a Nak OMS thing once; it jammed with an expensive Mobile Fidelity CD > in it. I was warned NOT to buy OMS series products by a former Nak repair > guy. Buy a used Rega Planet instead or a Marantz CD 63 Mk II and use the > coax out with a good DA unit. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but I > > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the > Lambda > > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 but > > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend the > > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 12 06:20:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:50:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Death of DR10? Message-ID: <20010512042034.EB3DB1DFBDC@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 12 06:30:53 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:00:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) Message-ID: <20010512043053.4E03E1DFB63@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat May 12 07:10:37 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) In-Reply-To: <20010512043053.4E03E1DFB63@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20010512051037.28594.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Kannan, One thing that really bugs me about DVD players being used for audio is the fact that not all DVD players can read CD-R's and CD-RW's. DVD discs were designed to be read with 640-650 nanometer (red) lasers and CD/CD-R/CD-RW were designed to be read with 780 nanometer (infra-red) lasers. If you play CD-R/-RW's make sure the DVD player has two lasers. Some players say twin wave or dual pickups, etc. Just to be on the same side take your discs to the store and try them. That's what I did, and MOST of the DVD players at the time could not read my CD-R. SJ --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to > deal with is about having nice CD player next to my > Dragon or CR7! > Stephen and others > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 > available here for about 200USD for CD playing. As > many pointed out about DVD players are better CD > players, what are your experiences? Are they having > better Mechanism or DAC/ Digital circuits comapred > to CD players? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:11 AM > >The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending > a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII > >is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, > don't know how to tweak > >them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of > discs during > >alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the > CD's in the world properly. > >Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I > think the CDPlayer2 & 1 > >were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the > elusive Dragon CD decks, > >which I've not heard). > >I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the > newest digital. Except > >perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything > digital audio that has > >come out in the last few years has been either > mechanically garbage, or > >electronically garbage or, in the majority of > cases, totally garbage. Take > >the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for > instance, which is used in > >many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD > players. Positively the > >cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by > anybody. And I cannot > >name a DVD transport that is the least bit > reliable, or even low in > >mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer > CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD > >player, into which I installed a high-grade coax > digital output, feeding at > >any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 > dac, each with a small > >amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a > better digital front end. > >And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest > jitter transports you'll > >ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is > the Philips CDM-4 based > >Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 > is a really damned good > >standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly > recommend to Alex in the > >$600 used market range. > > > >Stephen Sank, > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat May 12 07:24:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:24:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <008001c0da82$a9eb07d0$5d853604@D9569601> <020701c0da99$83364fc0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3AFCC8F1.92AB665E@earthlink.net> Stephen, Not being a repair technician, I can't speak to mechanical or electrical reliability. However, being a devout audiophile who was also spent years in the recording studio and years on the road working as a sound reinforcement engineer with bands that you all have heard of, I can speak to sound quality. I still own a Pioneer PD-65 Elite that I have been very happy with. It has only been in the last couple of years that I can say that its sound quality has been substantially outperformed by CD players or DACs at various price points. It used to be that CD players and DACs of even considerable more cost (Levinson, Wadia, Krell, etc) didn't sound much better than my PD-65. Now there are DACs from Dodson, Audio Logic, and Altis that shame the Pioneer. Now I understand that these DACs cost over four times more than the Pioneer, but the technology is slowly trickling down to less expensive DACs and CD players. Look to MSB or Bel Canto for just a couple of examples. These DACs can be found used for $600 or less. Perhaps I should have been more clear in my response to Alex's query. The advancements in blue book CD sound quality are mostly due to new technology in the DAC section, not the transport. I've always felt that money was better spent on a quality DAC, than transport anyway (in regard to sound quality, not reliability). Alex, since Stephen plugged the Pioneer Elite CD players and since I haven't used mine much lately, I would consider parting with mine. Let me know if you're interested. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII > is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak > them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during > alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. > Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 > were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, > which I've not heard). > I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except > perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has > come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or > electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take > the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in > many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the > cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot > name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in > mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD > player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at > any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small > amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. > And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll > ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based > Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good > standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the > $600 used market range. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > I had a Nak OMS thing once; it jammed with an expensive Mobile Fidelity CD > > in it. I was warned NOT to buy OMS series products by a former Nak repair > > guy. Buy a used Rega Planet instead or a Marantz CD 63 Mk II and use the > > coax out with a good DA unit. > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:37 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > > > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but > I > > > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > > > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the > > Lambda > > > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 > but > > > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend > the > > > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 12 08:13:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:13:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <008001c0da82$a9eb07d0$5d853604@D9569601> <020701c0da99$83364fc0$8e3442cf@sank1> <3AFCC8F1.92AB665E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <029401c0daaa$ab7f0e20$8e3442cf@sank1> Actually, I was only plugging the Pioneer Elite laserdisc/CD players, and specifically ONLY the CLD-95. It's the only player that combined both a massive & superb(and bulletproof) brushless platter motor & extremely high grade Analog Devices 20bit DAC chips @8x oversampling. Way better sounding CD player & way better as a transport than the PD-65 or any other Elite CD-only player. Only hitch is that it comes with optical out only, hence my coax install. It's also one of the best video performers ever in LD. The non-elite CLD-3080 is exactly the same unit, but without the brushless platter motor, so it's a much cheaper & superb alternate. And I disagree with you on one or two counts. A poor mechanism will NOT get the best sound from even the best DACs, with very few exceptions. And reliability should be a major issue when life expectancy doesn't even reach 2 or 3 years, especially on DVD units. The tricky thing about the "newest technology" is that Burr-Brown & just about every other DAC chip maker evolves their manufacturing "cheapness" as fast as the technology improves(as does just about every equipment maker). So, new tech is not exploited to it's fullest potential the vast majority of the time. Might spec out fantastic, but sound no where near what those specs suggest. Sony DSD *might* be an exception to that rule, with a lot of help from Museatex's Ed Meitner. I, too, have had lots of live & studio sound engineering experience, as well as many years in "audiophile salon" retail environments, so my opinions are based as much upon listening to what's out there as they are upon service experience. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > Stephen, > > Not being a repair technician, I can't speak to mechanical or electrical > reliability. However, being a devout audiophile who was also spent years > in the recording studio and years on the road working as a sound > reinforcement engineer with bands that you all have heard of, I can > speak to sound quality. > > I still own a Pioneer PD-65 Elite that I have been very happy with. It > has only been in the last couple of years that I can say that its sound > quality has been substantially outperformed by CD players or DACs at > various price points. It used to be that CD players and DACs of even > considerable more cost (Levinson, Wadia, Krell, etc) didn't sound much > better than my PD-65. Now there are DACs from Dodson, Audio Logic, and > Altis that shame the Pioneer. Now I understand that these DACs cost over > four times more than the Pioneer, but the technology is slowly trickling > down to less expensive DACs and CD players. Look to MSB or Bel Canto for > just a couple of examples. These DACs can be found used for $600 or > less. > > Perhaps I should have been more clear in my response to Alex's query. > The advancements in blue book CD sound quality are mostly due to new > technology in the DAC section, not the transport. I've always felt that > money was better spent on a quality DAC, than transport anyway (in > regard to sound quality, not reliability). > > Alex, since Stephen plugged the Pioneer Elite CD players and since I > haven't used mine much lately, I would consider parting with mine. Let > me know if you're interested. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII > > is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak > > them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during > > alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. > > Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 > > were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, > > which I've not heard). > > I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except > > perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has > > come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or > > electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take > > the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in > > many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the > > cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot > > name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in > > mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD > > player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at > > any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small > > amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. > > And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll > > ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based > > Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good > > standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the > > $600 used market range. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > I had a Nak OMS thing once; it jammed with an expensive Mobile Fidelity CD > > > in it. I was warned NOT to buy OMS series products by a former Nak repair > > > guy. Buy a used Rega Planet instead or a Marantz CD 63 Mk II and use the > > > coax out with a good DA unit. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:37 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > > > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > > > > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but > > I > > > > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > > > > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the > > > Lambda > > > > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 > > but > > > > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend > > the > > > > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 12 08:26:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:26:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <20010512051037.28594.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c0daac$a202daa0$50289bca@smarzuki> Kannan, I agree this is really important to consider ... I brought home a denon 3000 - a panasonic unit with 'better' electronics.- only to find out that my compilation cdr doesn't work at all. I see pioneer dvds getting good reviews on (sorry) what hifi and some other mags but most importantly it can read cdr. On regular cd this denon dvd sounds better than my dedicated player dcd 1015 (which in turn, better than Nak CD-4, which still doesn't mean anything) but not by a large margin. Maybe you want to consider a pricey Nak dvd10 as it is also said to be good on audio-only (+read cdr) - and matches your cr7 !! ... not. :-) Getting more and more OT : Nakfellows, is Rega Planet *that* good ? Regards, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Kannan, > One thing that really bugs me about DVD players being > used for audio is the fact that not all DVD players > can read CD-R's and CD-RW's. > > DVD discs were designed to be read with 640-650 > nanometer (red) lasers and CD/CD-R/CD-RW were designed > to be read with 780 nanometer (infra-red) lasers. If > you play CD-R/-RW's make sure the DVD player has two > lasers. Some players say twin wave or dual pickups, > etc. Just to be on the same side take your discs to > the store and try them. That's what I did, and MOST > of the DVD players at the time could not read my CD-R. > > SJ > > > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat May 12 08:59:08 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:59:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) Message-ID: <35.14e30e86.282e393c@aol.com> Alex-Save your money on the vintage CD stuff. If you are looking for a 'budget' player, buy a Rega (although 800 bucks is far from budget). I personally do not think that the old players hold a candle to the new stuff. As of now, for my limited cd play, I use a 'two box' Proceed & a Cal Audio Labs Aria Mk III. While these players are really good, bring home a Rega Planet 2000 & do a comparison. Know what, no comparison. I have done this & it still blows my mind. Cal John. No, I do not work for Rega. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Sat May 12 09:12:16 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:12:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD preferences In-Reply-To: <020701c0da99$83364fc0$8e3442cf@sank1> References: <008001c0da82$a9eb07d0$5d853604@D9569601> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010512025910.00b221b0@mail.verizon.net> For about four years I've been using a JVC XL-Z1050 which I auditioned after it got a very good review in Absolute Sound. I upgraded the analog output IC to an OP-275, and use its internal A/D converter. Sounds about as decent as CD's get, though it won't read home-burned discs. It will have to do until I get either a good 96/24 DVD audio deck or an SACD deck, depending on which way the technology travels. The video part of DVD doesn't interest me. In the meantime I have over 3000 LP's and some 200 reel tapes, most of which sound superior to any CD I've ever heard. Even some cassettes are nicer to listen to, particularly the ones made from live performances. ____________________________________ Marc Stager 5/12/01, ... virtually everything digital audio that has >come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or >electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take >the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in >many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the >cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot >name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in >mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD >player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at >any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small >amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. >And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll >ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based >Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good >standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the >$600 used market range. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tiberius Gaius" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:27 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > I had a Nak OMS thing once; it jammed with an expensive Mobile Fidelity CD > > in it. I was warned NOT to buy OMS series products by a former Nak repair > > guy. Buy a used Rega Planet instead or a Marantz CD 63 Mk II and use the > > coax out with a good DA unit. > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:37 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > Sorry guys...but I am looking for a cd player, as I said....and I have > > > another question. I wouldn't bother this list with non-nak content, but >I > > > value your opinions as audio buffs and philes. How good are the Kyocera > > > players? I have heard good and bad stuff. What about PS Audio (the > > Lambda > > > transport and the separate D/A)? I am still thinking about a Nak OMS7 >but > > > wonder if performance will be that much better if I ante up and spend >the > > > dough on separates like the PS stuff. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat May 12 09:21:43 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:21:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <35.14e30e86.282e393c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c0dab4$495416f0$9cd8f7a5@D9569601> you think the rega planet will outperform a marantz cd 63 mkII/proceed D-A with levinson interconnect? Tell me I'd at least have to listen to them side by side to tell the diff... carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Alex-Save your money on the vintage CD stuff. If you are looking for a > 'budget' player, buy a Rega (although 800 bucks is far from budget). I > personally do not think that the old players hold a candle to the new stuff. > As of now, for my limited cd play, I use a 'two box' Proceed & a Cal Audio > Labs Aria Mk III. While these players are really good, bring home a Rega > Planet 2000 & do a comparison. Know what, no comparison. I have done this & > it still blows my mind. > > Cal John. > > No, I do not work for Rega. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat May 12 18:20:40 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:20:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CD preferences Message-ID: Totally agree w/ you on this point Marc. Listen to CD for the convenience & when an artist has a release only offered in the CD format. Personally will stick to vinyl & tape for all critical listening. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 12 18:40:52 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:40:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations Message-ID: Thank all of you for your suggestions and comments. I really appreciate it. I will look into the Rega Planet...however, I'm not all that fond of the top-loading design, and I though they were all that way (not to mention my current rack wouldn't work with a top loading piece of equipment). Am I wrong? I also have the ability to pick up the PS Audio Lambda drive for around $250 and the PS Audio DA converter for about the same. I will have to listen to them and see how they sound. Another interesting CD player I've heard about is the old Luxman D105 that has tube output (you can see the tubes from the front). It is very attractive to boot. AND, I've heard that the new Cambridge Audio player has outstanding sound quality even though it is under $400 new. Some have asked about the system I will be putting this through....well, it is an average setup. Adcom GTP600 pre; Adcom GFA555 on the subs; Adcom GFA555II on the ribbons; Dragon Cassette; Carver AL-III Plus ribbon dipolar hybrid speakers (Mr. Sank hates these :-)....but, with my untrained ear they sound very good...and I've compared them to some quite expensive speakers); Tara labs cables. Certainly not Class A or B...so I shouldn't probably spend too much on a cd player as my preamp and amps aren't helping. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 12 20:04:51 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:04:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c0db0e$0a86b7c0$17d8893e@a4s1s2> Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at the web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed to be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've read some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I can't in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: 12 May 2001 17:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations Thank all of you for your suggestions and comments. I really appreciate it. I will look into the Rega Planet...however, I'm not all that fond of the top-loading design, and I though they were all that way (not to mention my current rack wouldn't work with a top loading piece of equipment). Am I wrong? I also have the ability to pick up the PS Audio Lambda drive for around $250 and the PS Audio DA converter for about the same. I will have to listen to them and see how they sound. Another interesting CD player I've heard about is the old Luxman D105 that has tube output (you can see the tubes from the front). It is very attractive to boot. AND, I've heard that the new Cambridge Audio player has outstanding sound quality even though it is under $400 new. Some have asked about the system I will be putting this through....well, it is an average setup. Adcom GTP600 pre; Adcom GFA555 on the subs; Adcom GFA555II on the ribbons; Dragon Cassette; Carver AL-III Plus ribbon dipolar hybrid speakers (Mr. Sank hates these :-)....but, with my untrained ear they sound very good...and I've compared them to some quite expensive speakers); Tara labs cables. Certainly not Class A or B...so I shouldn't probably spend too much on a cd player as my preamp and amps aren't helping. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat May 12 21:18:57 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:18:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi car radio servicing Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 12 22:25:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:25:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi car radio servicing References: Message-ID: <02d501c0db21$afce23e0$8e3442cf@sank1> Don't you dare junk it! It was the least of the old TD series to have a real Nak crystalloy head, so it's a great deck. I have a TD-300 myself, although I still haven't had time to install it. If you can't find anyone you trust over there, it wouldn't cost very much to send it over to me to service. Certainly worth the effort. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi car radio servicing > Hello everyone, > > I am just wondering if anybody knows of a service center for Nakamichi car radio in United Kingdom. My old TD300 has developed a problem and I'm reluctant to junk it . Thanks for any help you can provide. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Mick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sun May 13 00:36:25 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:36:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes References: Message-ID: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> Hi All. I am looking for high quality prerecorded cassettes like In-Synch Labs, Nautilus, DBX etc. If anyone has any to sell or trade or knows where I can find some, let me know. Were there any other manufacturers other than MFSL? Kevin Rogers ktrogers at execulink.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun May 13 00:42:40 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:42:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <20010512051037.28594.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> <002201c0daac$a202daa0$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002d01c0db34$dad74fe0$88232ac4@coqui.net> This is true. I have this cheap Pioneer DVD player in my Home Theater system and it reads every CDR I has put in to. Basically, all CDR I use as reference for my clients comes from TKO in California. Silver/Silver . Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > Kannan, I agree this is really important to consider ... I brought home a > denon 3000 - a panasonic unit with 'better' electronics.- only to find out > that my compilation cdr doesn't work at all. I see pioneer dvds getting > good reviews on (sorry) what hifi and some other mags but most importantly > it can read cdr. On regular cd this denon dvd sounds better than my > dedicated player dcd 1015 (which in turn, better than Nak CD-4, which still > doesn't mean anything) but not by a large margin. Maybe you want to > consider a pricey Nak dvd10 as it is also said to be good on audio-only > (+read cdr) - and matches your cr7 !! ... not. :-) > > Getting more and more OT : Nakfellows, is Rega Planet *that* good ? > > Regards, > SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > Kannan, > > One thing that really bugs me about DVD players being > > used for audio is the fact that not all DVD players > > can read CD-R's and CD-RW's. > > > > DVD discs were designed to be read with 640-650 > > nanometer (red) lasers and CD/CD-R/CD-RW were designed > > to be read with 780 nanometer (infra-red) lasers. If > > you play CD-R/-RW's make sure the DVD player has two > > lasers. Some players say twin wave or dual pickups, > > etc. Just to be on the same side take your discs to > > the store and try them. That's what I did, and MOST > > of the DVD players at the time could not read my CD-R. > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun May 13 00:57:11 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:57:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Link to an interesting collection of top tape decks ... References: Message-ID: <042001c0db36$e13f1aa0$9cec3fd0@oemcomputer> use babelfish.altavista.com and it will translate the japanese to english ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Link to an interesting collection of top tape decks ... > http://www14.freeweb.ne.jp/art/k-nisi/deck.htm > > There we have the intriguing CT-A1 by Pioneer. It looks like it cost a > fortune - pretty much the same as CR-7. Nice pictures of TEAC > 7000/6000/5000, Pioneer CT-A9 and CT-1100S with the metal fr response of > 10-30,000 +/- 3. Some high end Hitachi decks... > > The page is in Japanese, but you can still see the pictures and some basic > parameters. (Collection continues on page 2). > > Stan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun May 13 01:04:49 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:04:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480z - $50 Message-ID: <00b401c0db37$f5e23220$36021fac@brianm> http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&994885242&2&3&4& You will probably have to cut and past that address to get it to work correctly. Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Sun May 13 01:19:53 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:19:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: Message-ID: <00c201c0db3a$18be88a0$36021fac@brianm> Rega Planet 2000 for sale: $750 http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&994869611&2&3&4& $699 http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&994861744&2&3&4& I have never heard the Rega, but as for the recommendations, when I was helping my brother buy a CD player in the same price range, the Rega was given many times as a suggestion. He ended up with a Linn Mimik for, I believe, $650. I have never tried it on my system, but I would suggest it also as an option for a used CD player. Or you could triple your limit, , and buy a used Meridian 508.24! Enjoy, Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Around $600 for something used. > > Alex > > > What is your price range? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun May 13 01:37:14 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:37:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) References: <00c201c0db3a$18be88a0$36021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00d001c0db3c$7a4c10e0$36021fac@brianm> Sheesh, I hate to respond to my own message, but I had seen those Rega's that I listed under the section, New Today. Doing a regular search turned up others even cheaper. www.audiogon.com Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > Rega Planet 2000 for sale: > $750 > http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&994869611&2&3&4& > > $699 > http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&994861744&2&3&4& > > I have never heard the Rega, but as for the recommendations, when I was > helping my brother buy a CD player in the same price range, the Rega was > given many times as a suggestion. > He ended up with a Linn Mimik for, I believe, $650. I have never tried it > on my system, but I would suggest it also as an option for a used CD player. > Or you could triple your limit, , and buy a used Meridian 508.24! > > Enjoy, > Brian Miller > Michigan > > For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:21 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > Around $600 for something used. > > > > Alex > > > > > What is your price range? > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Sun May 13 06:13:24 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:13:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <20010512043053.4E03E1DFB63@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months ago did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records on both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the version for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much better ... I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on the DVD player. My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse electronics. I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects and bi-wire speaker cables. I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try the test again. As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about having nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! Stephen and others What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better CD players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or DAC/ Digital circuits comapred to CD players? Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sun May 13 06:18:23 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:18:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-95 Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: <002301c0db56$b925b360$ca05efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: I think CT95 may be called T-1100S in Japan ( http://www14.freeweb.ne.jp/art/k-nisi/t-1100s.htm ). It is my understanding that it should be available there. Another model to consider is SONY TCK-7ES which should also be available. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: Sat, May 12, 2001 9:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-95 Cassette Deck Hi All. Does anyone know if the Pioneer CT-95 Cassette Deck is still available in Japan? I'm interested in getting one. Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kleimann at wt.net Sun May 13 08:26:04 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:26:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: Message-ID: <00cc01c0db75$9775a4e0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> You could get a pull-out shelf that mounts in a rack and has nice, smooth ball-bearing rollers and a detent to hold it in the in or out position. Very slick, and not too expensive. Then, any top-loader works in a rack! Even turntables can be done this way, and it looks really cool when using it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > Thank all of you for your suggestions and comments. I really appreciate it. > I will look into the Rega Planet...however, I'm not all that fond of the > top-loading design, and I though they were all that way (not to mention my > current rack wouldn't work with a top loading piece of equipment). Am I > wrong? I also have the ability to pick up the PS Audio Lambda drive for > around $250 and the PS Audio DA converter for about the same. I will have > to listen to them and see how they sound. Another interesting CD player > I've heard about is the old Luxman D105 that has tube output (you can see > the tubes from the front). It is very attractive to boot. AND, I've heard > that the new Cambridge Audio player has outstanding sound quality even > though it is under $400 new. Some have asked about the system I will be > putting this through....well, it is an average setup. Adcom GTP600 pre; > Adcom GFA555 on the subs; Adcom GFA555II on the ribbons; Dragon Cassette; > Carver AL-III Plus ribbon dipolar hybrid speakers (Mr. Sank hates these > :-)....but, with my untrained ear they sound very good...and I've compared > them to some quite expensive speakers); Tara labs cables. Certainly not > Class A or B...so I shouldn't probably spend too much on a cd player as my > preamp and amps aren't helping. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 13 15:17:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:17:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <000801c0db0e$0a86b7c0$17d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AFE8984.287C027A@concentric.net> Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing related. The only contributions tubes can make in this application are higher noise, higher distortion and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also increase power consumption and heat within the unit and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, these limitations can be minimized. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at the > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed to > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've read > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I can't > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Alex Cagann > Sent: 12 May 2001 17:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > Thank all of you for your suggestions and comments. I really appreciate it. > I will look into the Rega Planet...however, I'm not all that fond of the > top-loading design, and I though they were all that way (not to mention my > current rack wouldn't work with a top loading piece of equipment). Am I > wrong? I also have the ability to pick up the PS Audio Lambda drive for > around $250 and the PS Audio DA converter for about the same. I will have > to listen to them and see how they sound. Another interesting CD player > I've heard about is the old Luxman D105 that has tube output (you can see > the tubes from the front). It is very attractive to boot. AND, I've heard > that the new Cambridge Audio player has outstanding sound quality even > though it is under $400 new. Some have asked about the system I will be > putting this through....well, it is an average setup. Adcom GTP600 pre; > Adcom GFA555 on the subs; Adcom GFA555II on the ribbons; Dragon Cassette; > Carver AL-III Plus ribbon dipolar hybrid speakers (Mr. Sank hates these > :-)....but, with my untrained ear they sound very good...and I've compared > them to some quite expensive speakers); Tara labs cables. Certainly not > Class A or B...so I shouldn't probably spend too much on a cd player as my > preamp and amps aren't helping. > > Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 13 15:33:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:33:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: Message-ID: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> Early generation DVD players were notorious for very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter of the transports caused an audibly high error rate and, second, because the whole audio path design was treated as an afterthought. I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players in general based on those that sound bad. As an example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. -- Ron Stan Targowski wrote: > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months ago > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records on > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the version > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > better ... > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on the > DVD player. > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse electronics. > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects and > bi-wire speaker cables. > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try the > test again. > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about having > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > Stephen and others > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better CD > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or DAC/ > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 13 16:39:21 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:39:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations In-Reply-To: <3AFE8984.287C027A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000801c0dbba$7fa69f00$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Ron Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the same light, a marketing trick? Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. But then, he was selling the beast! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing related. The only contributions tubes can make in this application are higher noise, higher distortion and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also increase power consumption and heat within the unit and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, these limitations can be minimized. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at the > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed to > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've read > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I can't > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 13 17:30:13 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:30:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000901c0dbc1$9ab68d80$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> I have also read recently that the standard for Audio DVD recordings will be at the same compression as for MP3 ... reassuring that the future of hi fi is safe in the hands of suits who would do THAT to sound reproduction! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 13 May 2001 14:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player Early generation DVD players were notorious for very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter of the transports caused an audibly high error rate and, second, because the whole audio path design was treated as an afterthought. I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players in general based on those that sound bad. As an example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 13 17:40:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:40:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... In-Reply-To: <000801c0dbba$7fa69f00$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000a01c0dbc3$0da385e0$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> I need advice, chaps. I'm told my "new" ZX-9 will work very happily on 240v although it is set for 220v. (I was told much the same for my Leak Troughline tuner but it frequently cut-out on 240v, running too warm.) This machine does NOT have the voltage switch installed to the rear. (It's covered over and I took a quick look inside to see if anything was hidden behind the covered - nothing!) I do have a transformer that will convert 240v to 220v if necessary but not bother it isn't. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 13 18:35:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:35:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <000801c0dbba$7fa69f00$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AFEB7C8.FE15443@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > same light, a marketing trick? Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where they are coming from. However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to customers that automatically assume that tubes are magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in any application whatsoever. People that prefer the higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of the original sound? As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these may contains a grain of truth, blown out of proportion by advertising. > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > But then, he was selling the beast! But, of course :-). -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > these limitations can be minimized. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > the > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed > to > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > read > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > can't > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 13 18:46:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:46:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... References: <000a01c0dbc3$0da385e0$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3AFEBA7F.C2569229@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > I need advice, chaps. > > I'm told my "new" ZX-9 will work very happily on 240v although it is set for > 220v. (I was told much the same for my Leak Troughline tuner but it > frequently cut-out on 240v, running too warm.) This machine does NOT have > the voltage switch installed to the rear. (It's covered over and I took a > quick look inside to see if anything was hidden behind the covered - > nothing!) I do have a transformer that will convert 240v to 220v if > necessary but not bother it isn't. > > Graham > Graham, Nak does not specify line voltage limits. Other manufacturers usually allow 10% - 15% range. Your deck will probably run OK on 240V. However, no one can guaranty that your '240V' is actually 240V. Most likely, it's 240V +/- some percentage. Say, 10%. This means it could rise to, say, 264V -- way above what the deck would like to see. Even if for short periods, it will dissipate more energy in the deck's power supply and, over time, shorten the deck's life span. Even if the effect is small (as it probably is), why not just add the transformer and sleep better at night? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun May 13 19:38:50 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations Message-ID: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. The only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I still might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. fyi carl ------Original Message------ From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > same light, a marketing trick? Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where they are coming from. However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to customers that automatically assume that tubes are magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in any application whatsoever. People that prefer the higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of the original sound? As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these may contains a grain of truth, blown out of proportion by advertising. > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > But then, he was selling the beast! But, of course :-). -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > these limitations can be minimized. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > the > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed > to > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > read > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > can't > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun May 13 19:49:37 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:49:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <000801c0db0e$0a86b7c0$17d8893e@a4s1s2> <3AFE8984.287C027A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <076c01c0dbd5$13f03440$9cec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > these limitations can be minimized. > > -- Ron > > Well two points the tube outputstage could be better than the original but I'd guess that its a tube stage designed to roll off the extremes on both ends to make cds sound sweeter (not a good idea and I use tubes) ps back on the cd quest one other option is the dvd audio player from technics the dvd a10 which was $1200 but is now under $400.00 you can check out a review of it at stereophile.com Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 13 20:06:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:06:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> Message-ID: <3AFECD32.39CEE29D@concentric.net> This is the common retort of all esoteric gismo advocates: "Audition my XYZ widget and you'll see how superiour it is to your UVW one." Unfortunately, such tests mean little. Even given your Audio Note DAC is truly superiour, how do you know it's due to the single lone tube at the output? How about the DAC circuitry itself? Do you have any idea how many zillions of transistors pass the signal before it ever reaches that tube? A correct test would be to allow switching in a replacement for the tube with a good SS line amp, then run a blind audition with all equipment (including the audio Note DAC up to the final stage) identical and the final stage switchable between tube and SS. Don't be so sure any one will be able to hear a difference. -- Ron Carl Cobb wrote: > > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. The > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I still > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > fyi > carl > > ------Original Message------ > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Ron > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > > same light, a marketing trick? > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > they are coming from. > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > the original sound? > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > proportion by advertising. > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > But, of course :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz > 4000 > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > > the > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > supposed > > to > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > > read > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > > can't > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 13 20:37:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:37:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations In-Reply-To: <3AFECD32.39CEE29D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c0dbdb$c7c0dc80$16f6883e@a4s1s2> Ron I take your point well . The Ah! Toeb 4000 is claimed to sound significantly better than the Marantz 4000 but then Ah! upgrade a lot else besides adding a tube output stage. Those SS changes, not the tubes, may be responsible in part, if not wholly, for any improvement in sound .... that is subjective improvement, of course! ;o) The Toeb is said to be better value than any other sub $1k CD player. May be, may be not. However, one also has to remember that these guys are selling direct - no retailer overhead costs and margins to meet. However, apparently, the trans-Atlantic hi fi journo' Ken Kessler likes it and thinks its great bang for the bucks ... and I I can imagine that will be enough recommendation for 100's of his readers - never mind test listening in your own home!!! Me? Well, hype is hype. But sometimes it does turn out to seem true, too. So, given the chance, I'd like to hear this player, if only just to .... hear it! It's got my curiosity fired up. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 13 May 2001 19:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations This is the common retort of all esoteric gismo advocates: "Audition my XYZ widget and you'll see how superiour it is to your UVW one." Unfortunately, such tests mean little. Even given your Audio Note DAC is truly superiour, how do you know it's due to the single lone tube at the output? How about the DAC circuitry itself? Do you have any idea how many zillions of transistors pass the signal before it ever reaches that tube? A correct test would be to allow switching in a replacement for the tube with a good SS line amp, then run a blind audition with all equipment (including the audio Note DAC up to the final stage) identical and the final stage switchable between tube and SS. Don't be so sure any one will be able to hear a difference. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun May 13 21:06:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:06:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <000801c0dbba$7fa69f00$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004c01c0dbdf$d40a2b00$3d021fac@brianm> "Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. But then, he was selling the beast!" Sounds like a nice sales line. I have owned both the CR-7A and ZX-9 at the same time and both had just been gone through by ES Labs. I found it was splitting hairs betwween the two. I now wish I would of spent more time comparing the two. If forced to draw a conclusion, I would say the ZX-9 recorded slightly better but the CR-7A's playback was slightly better. But again, they both were very close and both perform very well! Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > Ron > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > same light, a marketing trick? > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. But then, he was selling the beast! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > these limitations can be minimized. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz 4000 > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > the > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is supposed > to > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > read > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > can't > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Sun May 13 22:36:30 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:36:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> Message-ID: <006101c0dbec$68cb69a0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Howdy, Carl! I have a Proceed PCD2, and have always found it very enjoyable. So your comments on your DACs piqued my curiosity. What model Proceed DAC do you have? How old is the Audio Note DAC you have? How much $ was it new? I am surprised by your remarks about the Proceed DAC. My player has always been a solid performer, even alongside some very formidable competition like my neighbors' MUSE DAC/Sony ES7000, my friends' Cal Labs (can't remember model, but comparable vintage and price to my Proceed), and a handful of other newer and more expensive models. Please elaborate on your opinions of these units. I'd like to hear you out on this. Thanks, Rudy Living (or dying?) in Houston, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: ; Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. The > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I still > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > fyi > carl > > ------Original Message------ > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Ron > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > > same light, a marketing trick? > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > they are coming from. > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > the original sound? > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > proportion by advertising. > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > But, of course :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz > 4000 > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > > the > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > supposed > > to > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > > read > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > > can't > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 13 23:51:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:51:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> Message-ID: <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which is still the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll find that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio systems, was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the Museatex BiDAT, and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better sounding than the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put in the review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually equalled the Denon. On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your theories as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume control that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which means no resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up until this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the sound of the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different amps where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had just finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode Minuet in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the preamp into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my upgraded Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD track, I found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it dropping so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & forwardness of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode amp) expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had never heard before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many trials with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) & the results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or amps, etc. The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is somehow recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that are otherwise lost or supressed. What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & clients merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client wanted desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate preamp, which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > of the transports caused an audibly high error > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > design was treated as an afterthought. > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > -- Ron > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months ago > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records on > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the version > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > > better ... > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on the > > DVD player. > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse electronics. > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects and > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try the > > test again. > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about having > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > Stephen and others > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better CD > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or DAC/ > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 13 23:53:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:53:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... References: <000a01c0dbc3$0da385e0$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <03d401c0dbf7$1bf1a440$8e3442cf@sank1> 240vac should be adequately within the limitations of the transformer primary to be of no consequence, even with allowance for line fluctuations. The pre-regulator circuitry after the transformer will also be well within spec, and will not generate any additional heat. So, don't worry about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... > I need advice, chaps. > > I'm told my "new" ZX-9 will work very happily on 240v although it is set for > 220v. (I was told much the same for my Leak Troughline tuner but it > frequently cut-out on 240v, running too warm.) This machine does NOT have > the voltage switch installed to the rear. (It's covered over and I took a > quick look inside to see if anything was hidden behind the covered - > nothing!) I do have a transformer that will convert 240v to 220v if > necessary but not bother it isn't. > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon May 14 00:11:52 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:11:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes References: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <000701c0dbf9$c7af2da0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> I have a Nakamichi / Sheffield cassette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > Hi All. I am looking for high quality prerecorded cassettes like In-Synch > Labs, Nautilus, DBX etc. If anyone has any to sell or trade or knows where I > can find some, let me know. Were there any other manufacturers other than > MFSL? > > Kevin Rogers > > ktrogers at execulink.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Mon May 14 00:41:41 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:41:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes References: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> <000701c0dbf9$c7af2da0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <003f01c0dbfd$e24a41a0$d705efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes Hi John, what is the title? Kevin Rogers > I have a Nakamichi / Sheffield cassette. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Rogers" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > > > > > Hi All. I am looking for high quality prerecorded cassettes like In-Synch > > Labs, Nautilus, DBX etc. If anyone has any to sell or trade or knows where > I > > can find some, let me know. Were there any other manufacturers other than > > MFSL? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 01:20:30 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:20:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> <006101c0dbec$68cb69a0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <003b01c0dc03$4eb7b9d0$12d8f7a5@D9569601> I am very happy with my proceed; I think it the same unit you have. The one that is the standalone unit that also comes in that monstrous proceed CD player. What I said is that I prefer the sound of the audio note. The audio note also only has a bnc, coax, and optical (no aes/ebu....I need this for my DAT); the proceed has four inputs as well as XLR interfaces. Simply more user friendly and very nice sounding. However, when cost is no object I'd turn to Audio Note. Try finding an All audio note system to audition. Try one of their integrated single ended amps using audio note silver wire interconnects, an audio note cd player, audio note DAC, and audio note bookshelf (very high efficiency, no horns) speakers. You will simply be amazed. And these are not 4k each components, either. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Kleimann III" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > Howdy, Carl! > > I have a Proceed PCD2, and have always found it very enjoyable. So your > comments on your DACs piqued my curiosity. What model Proceed DAC do you > have? How old is the Audio Note DAC you have? How much $ was it new? > > I am surprised by your remarks about the Proceed DAC. My player has always > been a solid performer, even alongside some very formidable competition like > my neighbors' MUSE DAC/Sony ES7000, my friends' Cal Labs (can't remember > model, but comparable vintage and price to my Proceed), and a handful of > other newer and more expensive models. > > Please elaborate on your opinions of these units. I'd like to hear you out > on this. > > Thanks, > Rudy > Living (or dying?) in Houston, Tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might > > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. The > > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I still > > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > > > fyi > > carl > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because > tubes > > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > > > same light, a marketing trick? > > > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > > they are coming from. > > > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > > the original sound? > > > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > > proportion by advertising. > > > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > > > But, of course :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Ron > > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz > > 4000 > > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee > at > > > the > > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > > supposed > > > to > > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but > I've > > > read > > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > > > can't > > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 01:24:26 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:24:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cd player recommendations References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> <3AFECD32.39CEE29D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006101c0dc03$dc832a10$12d8f7a5@D9569601> you are absolutely corrent, ron. I've also listened to their much more expensive DAC's and they sound much better; they utilize much more sophisticated solid state stuff in conjunction with the tube output. Bascially, my feeling is this: at this level of equipment it is ALL pretty damned good. Take your pick and focus on reliability and resale value. I am listening to a Parasound 1206 amp to power my multichannel system at home. The previous amps used were a Levinson m27, bryston 2b, and ps audio (very old 40wpc used for surrounds; bryston for center channel). Did that work better than the Parasound? Yes...sounded a bit crisper/sharper/more depth in stereo mode. Does the parasound do well in stereo? Of course.... Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > This is the common retort of all esoteric gismo > advocates: "Audition my XYZ widget and you'll see > how superiour it is to your UVW one." Unfortunately, > such tests mean little. Even given your Audio Note > DAC is truly superiour, how do you know it's due to > the single lone tube at the output? How about the > DAC circuitry itself? Do you have any idea how many > zillions of transistors pass the signal before it > ever reaches that tube? > > A correct test would be to allow switching in a > replacement for the tube with a good SS line amp, > then run a blind audition with all equipment > (including the audio Note DAC up to the final > stage) identical and the final stage switchable > between tube and SS. Don't be so sure any one will > be able to hear a difference. > > -- Ron > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might > > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. The > > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I still > > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > > > fyi > > carl > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because tubes > > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in the > > > same light, a marketing trick? > > > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > > they are coming from. > > > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > > the original sound? > > > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > > proportion by advertising. > > > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought it > > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > > > But, of course :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Ron > > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz > > 4000 > > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a looksee at > > > the > > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > > supposed > > > to > > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but I've > > > read > > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except I > > > can't > > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can find!) > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon May 14 03:27:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:27:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes References: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> <000701c0dbf9$c7af2da0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003f01c0dbfd$e24a41a0$d705efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <008d01c0dc14$feb6e6b0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Reference Recordings by Nakamichi James Newton Howard & Friends Nakamichi Sheffield Lab RA-4023 Dolby C - TDK Metal 70us Advent cassettes also sounded very good. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > Hi John, what is the title? > > Kevin Rogers > > > > I have a Nakamichi / Sheffield cassette. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Rogers" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:36 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > > > > > > > > > Hi All. I am looking for high quality prerecorded cassettes like > In-Synch > > > Labs, Nautilus, DBX etc. If anyone has any to sell or trade or knows > where > > I > > > can find some, let me know. Were there any other manufacturers other > than > > > MFSL? > > > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > ktrogers at execulink.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Mon May 14 04:28:32 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:28:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700II on ebay needs work though References: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> <000701c0dbf9$c7af2da0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003f01c0dbfd$e24a41a0$d705efd1@kevinrog> <008d01c0dc14$feb6e6b0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <001b01c0dc1d$92925600$e5b5f7a5@knowledgehammer> Saw this, needs repair, but might make a nice fixer upper or is the price too much for a deck with known problems? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1237767472 stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kleimann at wt.net Mon May 14 08:00:59 2001 From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy Kleimann III) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:00:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parasound References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> <3AFECD32.39CEE29D@concentric.net> <006101c0dc03$dc832a10$12d8f7a5@D9569601> Message-ID: <003001c0dc3b$400626a0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Carl, I am interested in hearing about your Parasound stuff. I've come across some Parasound P/SP1500AV, P/DD-1500, and the matching amp (?model- I didn't write it down) for sale used, but need to hear input from others about them. Please respond privately so as not to bog down Naktalks at: kleimann at wt.net Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > you are absolutely corrent, ron. I've also listened to their much more > expensive DAC's and they sound much better; they utilize much more > sophisticated solid state stuff in conjunction with the tube output. > > Bascially, my feeling is this: at this level of equipment it is ALL pretty > damned good. Take your pick and focus on reliability and resale value. I > am listening to a Parasound 1206 amp to power my multichannel system at > home. The previous amps used were a Levinson m27, bryston 2b, and ps audio > (very old 40wpc used for surrounds; bryston for center channel). Did that > work better than the Parasound? Yes...sounded a bit crisper/sharper/more > depth in stereo mode. Does the parasound do well in stereo? Of course.... > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > This is the common retort of all esoteric gismo > > advocates: "Audition my XYZ widget and you'll see > > how superiour it is to your UVW one." Unfortunately, > > such tests mean little. Even given your Audio Note > > DAC is truly superiour, how do you know it's due to > > the single lone tube at the output? How about the > > DAC circuitry itself? Do you have any idea how many > > zillions of transistors pass the signal before it > > ever reaches that tube? > > > > A correct test would be to allow switching in a > > replacement for the tube with a good SS line amp, > > then run a blind audition with all equipment > > (including the audio Note DAC up to the final > > stage) identical and the final stage switchable > > between tube and SS. Don't be so sure any one will > > be able to hear a difference. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > > > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you might > > > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > > > > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. > The > > > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I > still > > > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > > > > > fyi > > > carl > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because > tubes > > > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency responses. > > > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in > the > > > > same light, a marketing trick? > > > > > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > > > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > > > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > > > they are coming from. > > > > > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > > > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > > > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > > > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > > > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > > > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > > > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > > > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > > > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > > > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > > > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > > > > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > > > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > > > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > > > the original sound? > > > > > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > > > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > > > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > > > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > > > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > > > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > > > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > > > proportion by advertising. > > > > > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, thought > it > > > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > > > > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > > > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > > > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > > > > > But, of course :-). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Ron > > > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified Marantz > > > 4000 > > > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a > looksee at > > > > the > > > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but > I've > > > > read > > > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... except > I > > > > can't > > > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can > find!) > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 08:50:45 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:50:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parasound References: <381087213.989775530896.JavaMail.root@web623-wrb.mail.com> <3AFECD32.39CEE29D@concentric.net> <006101c0dc03$dc832a10$12d8f7a5@D9569601> <003001c0dc3b$400626a0$0c01a8c0@houston.rr.com> Message-ID: <00c301c0dc42$3494e7a0$45853604@D9569601> The psp1500 is a very high quality unit but only a dolby pro logic unit. The matching dolby digital unit.....I think later versions also have dts but am not sure. At any rate I don't use dts unless that is the only option; I use a denon avr3801 receiver for a preamp into the parasound 1206. The 1206 is a beast; 120w x 6 into 8 ohms....one of John Curl's designs. This was about a 2k retail unit four years ago. I bid on a psp1500/pdd1500 but would not pay more than 400 for the pair; I did not get the items, of course. Good stuff, reliable, good sounding. NOT krell, levinson, but definitely high quality carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Kleimann III" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parasound > Carl, I am interested in hearing about your Parasound stuff. I've come > across some Parasound P/SP1500AV, P/DD-1500, and the matching amp (?model- I > didn't write it down) for sale used, but need to hear input from others > about them. > > Please respond privately so as not to bog down Naktalks at: kleimann at wt.net > > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > you are absolutely corrent, ron. I've also listened to their much more > > expensive DAC's and they sound much better; they utilize much more > > sophisticated solid state stuff in conjunction with the tube output. > > > > Bascially, my feeling is this: at this level of equipment it is ALL > pretty > > damned good. Take your pick and focus on reliability and resale value. I > > am listening to a Parasound 1206 amp to power my multichannel system at > > home. The previous amps used were a Levinson m27, bryston 2b, and ps > audio > > (very old 40wpc used for surrounds; bryston for center channel). Did that > > work better than the Parasound? Yes...sounded a bit crisper/sharper/more > > depth in stereo mode. Does the parasound do well in stereo? Of > course.... > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > > > > > This is the common retort of all esoteric gismo > > > advocates: "Audition my XYZ widget and you'll see > > > how superiour it is to your UVW one." Unfortunately, > > > such tests mean little. Even given your Audio Note > > > DAC is truly superiour, how do you know it's due to > > > the single lone tube at the output? How about the > > > DAC circuitry itself? Do you have any idea how many > > > zillions of transistors pass the signal before it > > > ever reaches that tube? > > > > > > A correct test would be to allow switching in a > > > replacement for the tube with a good SS line amp, > > > then run a blind audition with all equipment > > > (including the audio Note DAC up to the final > > > stage) identical and the final stage switchable > > > between tube and SS. Don't be so sure any one will > > > be able to hear a difference. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > > > > > Audition an Audio Note DAC which utilizes a tube output stage; you > might > > > > change your mind. Your budget will NEVER forgive you, however. > > > > > > > > I have a low end Audio Note DAC; it is so superior to my Proceed DAC. > > The > > > > only reason I use the Proceed is due to its superior interfaces. I > > still > > > > might retain the audio note since it will only fetch about 400 used. > > > > > > > > fyi > > > > carl > > > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > > > From: Ron > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: May 13, 2001 4:35:20 PM GMT > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > Interesting point. Presumably you arrive at thos conclusion because > > tubes > > > > > create higher noise, higher distortion and limit frequency > responses. > > > > > Correct? If so, do you also regard the selling of tube amplifiers in > > the > > > > > same light, a marketing trick? > > > > > > > > Power amplifiers are a slightly different story, as > > > > tubes have some claimed advantages in that application. > > > > Personally, I do not subscribe, but can understand where > > > > they are coming from. > > > > > > > > However, I can't fathom why would anyone want a tube > > > > in the output stage of a CD player. As far as I know, > > > > there are no claimed advantages, except for selling to > > > > customers that automatically assume that tubes are > > > > magically somehow superiour to solid sate devices in > > > > any application whatsoever. People that prefer the > > > > higher even order harmonic distortion (that make the > > > > sound 'warmer') and high end attenuation (that make > > > > the sound 'rounder') to accurate reproduction, can > > > > have their wish in a SS design (Carver actually did > > > > this), without the serious attendant disadvantages. > > > > > > > > Besides, what's the point of a single tube stage > > > > after the signal has been violated by the slew of SS > > > > circuitry employed in the recording and recovery of > > > > the original sound? > > > > > > > > As to 'marketing tricks' -- tubes are but a lone > > > > example of these in our hobby. High-end speaker > > > > cables, bi-wiring, super expensive line cords, > > > > weighting of amplifiers, green ink, power line > > > > conditioners, support cones, CD demagnetizing, > > > > etc. are just a few other examples. Each of these > > > > may contains a grain of truth, blown out of > > > > proportion by advertising. > > > > > > > > > Incidently, I recently heard someone seriousl describe the Nak ZX-9 > > > > > described as having a "tube like sound" and, as a conseuqnce, > thought > > it > > > > > more listenable than a Dragon and CR7. > > > > > > > > The ZX-9 circuit design philosophy is very similar to > > > > other Nakamichi decks, including the CR-7 and Dragon. > > > > > > > > > But then, he was selling the beast! > > > > > > > > But, of course :-). > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > Of > > > > > Ron > > > > > Sent: 13 May 2001 14:18 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player recommendations > > > > > > > > > > Not to change the subject too much, but the *only* > > > > > reason for tube output on a CD player is Marketing > > > > > related. The only contributions tubes can make in > > > > > this application are higher noise, higher distortion > > > > > and limitation of frequency response. Tubes also > > > > > increase power consumption and heat within the unit > > > > > and reduce its reliability. If really well designed, > > > > > these limitations can be minimized. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of tube outputs, has anyone heard the Ah! modified > Marantz > > > > 4000 > > > > > > with its tube output, which they call the Tjoeb 4000? Take a > > looksee at > > > > > the > > > > > > web link http://www.hifi-notes.com/index2-nl.htm. This kit is > > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > be superb value for money. Whether it is or not, I've no idea but > > I've > > > > > read > > > > > > some remarkable reviews about it. Could be worth a trial ... > except > > I > > > > > can't > > > > > > in the UK as there are no dealers here selling them (that I can > > find!) > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon May 14 12:55:25 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:55:25 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... References: <000a01c0dbc3$0da385e0$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hi Graham, First of all - please use 240:220 transformer. It's very critical not to overload primary of transformer! And 20 volts is almost 10% - may cause even core saturation (if transformer was designed close to limits). Second - from my personal expirience - powwer transformers in Japanese equipment designed for 100 volts may create audible buzz and gets hot when used with 110 volts supply. So using 240:220 transformer will be a good idea! Misha PS: Congratulations with your ZX-9 (now how many of Naks do you have?) >I need advice, chaps. > >I'm told my "new" ZX-9 will work very happily on 240v although it is set for >220v. (I was told much the same for my Leak Troughline tuner but it >frequently cut-out on 240v, running too warm.) This machine does NOT have >the voltage switch installed to the rear. (It's covered over and I took a >quick look inside to see if anything was hidden behind the covered - >nothing!) I do have a transformer that will convert 240v to 220v if >necessary but not bother it isn't. > >Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 14 16:19:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:19:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... References: <000a01c0dbc3$0da385e0$a5d8893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000e01c0dc81$153ec120$e4199bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham & Misha, I have a 100V onkyo preamp which put out 47vac on secondary (?) if plugged on a 110 V mains, resulting in a 70degrees C of heat on one transistor. Using an exact 100V stepdown trafo gave out 40Vac (!) and 60 degree C on that transistor. I see pcb browned out on some area and really regret not using exact transformer earlier (had to custom built from 220 to 100V though). However 100V sony deck (excuse me) is running cool using regular 110V trafo. I believe most naks are already warm / hot on spec voltage thus its worthwhile using your 240-220 converter. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Power Question .... > Hi Graham, > > First of all - please use 240:220 transformer. It's very > critical not to overload primary of transformer! And 20 volts > is almost 10% - may cause even core saturation (if transformer > was designed close to limits). > Second - from my personal expirience - powwer transformers > in Japanese equipment designed for 100 volts may create > audible buzz and gets hot when used with 110 volts supply. > So using 240:220 transformer will be a good idea! > > Misha > > PS: Congratulations with your ZX-9 (now how many of Naks do > you have?) > > > >I need advice, chaps. > > > >I'm told my "new" ZX-9 will work very happily on 240v although it is set for > >220v. (I was told much the same for my Leak Troughline tuner but it > >frequently cut-out on 240v, running too warm.) This machine does NOT have > >the voltage switch installed to the rear. (It's covered over and I took a > >quick look inside to see if anything was hidden behind the covered - > >nothing!) I do have a transformer that will convert 240v to 220v if > >necessary but not bother it isn't. > > > >Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon May 14 19:29:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:29:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few observations. The improvement with the Moscode preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more on interaction between channels than on specific characteristics related to either individual channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' is meaningless). Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results when both channels characteristics are identical at every frequency across the entire band -- in amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs where it did not exist in the original recording itself, it does not represent 'accurate' reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable with all program material, why, they should count their blessings. Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I must assume it is solely responsible. So, why does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. Would another Moscode preamp (same model, identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it caused by tubes or some other aspect of the design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line level circuitry)? Hell, NO. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which is still > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll find > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio systems, > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the Museatex BiDAT, > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better sounding than > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put in the > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually equalled > the Denon. > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your theories > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume control > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which means no > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up until > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the sound of > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different amps > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had just > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode Minuet > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the preamp > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my upgraded > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD track, I > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it dropping > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & forwardness > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode amp) > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had never heard > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many trials > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) & the > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or amps, > etc. > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is somehow > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that are > otherwise lost or supressed. > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & clients > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client wanted > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate preamp, > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months > ago > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records > on > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the > version > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > > > better ... > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on > the > > > DVD player. > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > electronics. > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects > and > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try > the > > > test again. > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about > having > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > Stephen and others > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better > CD > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or > DAC/ > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon May 14 20:28:52 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:28:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> Ron, SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at others. That is why both are still being made. Lets just leave it at that. I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal preferences, not the specific technology used. You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do better than SS. That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having owned both, I strongly disagree. By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few > observations. The improvement with the Moscode > preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. > Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more > on interaction between channels than on specific > characteristics related to either individual > channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' > is meaningless). > > Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results > when both channels characteristics are identical > at every frequency across the entire band -- in > amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible > (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the > sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps > offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and > 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging > to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this > effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very > aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs > where it did not exist in the original recording > itself, it does not represent 'accurate' > reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable > with all program material, why, they should count > their blessings. > > Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects > the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I > must assume it is solely responsible. So, why > does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. > Would another Moscode preamp (same model, > identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it > caused by tubes or some other aspect of the > design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that > tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line > level circuitry)? Hell, NO. > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which is still > > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll find > > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio systems, > > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the Museatex BiDAT, > > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better sounding than > > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put in the > > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually equalled > > the Denon. > > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your theories > > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume control > > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which means no > > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up until > > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the sound of > > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different amps > > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had just > > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode Minuet > > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the preamp > > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my upgraded > > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD track, I > > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it dropping > > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & forwardness > > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode amp) > > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had never heard > > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many trials > > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) & the > > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or amps, > > etc. > > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is somehow > > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that are > > otherwise lost or supressed. > > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & clients > > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client wanted > > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate preamp, > > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months > > ago > > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records > > on > > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the > > version > > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > > > > better ... > > > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on > > the > > > > DVD player. > > > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > > electronics. > > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects > > and > > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try > > the > > > > test again. > > > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about > > having > > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > > Stephen and others > > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better > > CD > > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or > > DAC/ > > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon May 14 21:33:14 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:33:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, beautifully writtten! I agree wholeheartedly. It is really up to the listener. Room acoustics are another large factor. The term splitting hairs comes to mind on this argument. One of the main reasons I like Nakamichi tape decks is because of their sheer beauty....it is more than wonderful that they sound as good as they look. Remember...there are those that are very content with their BOSE Wave Radios. :-) I actually heard one the other day (I was at a clients house and they had one of the large model ones...I asked if I could listen to it). I think it sounded like a disgrace. I certainly didn't say that....I just commented that it sounded pretty good. They love it. To each his own. Whatever floats your boat. Whatever lights your pipe. One mans trash is another mans......oh well..you get the point. hehehe Alex > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon May 14 22:00:12 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:00:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: Message-ID: <3B00394C.28DB69A0@earthlink.net> You're absolutely right Alex. Room acoustics are the largest variable and the single most ignored aspect in achieving accurate, satisfying listening at home. "You can't polish a turd" is a phrase that comes to mind. I'd take a modest system in a great sounding room over a megabuck system in a terrible room any day of the week! Trouble is, most people don't know exactly what their room contributing to the sound and most aren't willing to move their entire system to another room to find out... Jim Volpatti Alex Cagann wrote: > > Jim, beautifully writtten! I agree wholeheartedly. It is really up to the > listener. Room acoustics are another large factor. The term splitting > hairs comes to mind on this argument. One of the main reasons I like > Nakamichi tape decks is because of their sheer beauty....it is more than > wonderful that they sound as good as they look. Remember...there are those > that are very content with their BOSE Wave Radios. :-) I actually heard > one the other day (I was at a clients house and they had one of the large > model ones...I asked if I could listen to it). I think it sounded like a > disgrace. I certainly didn't say that....I just commented that it sounded > pretty good. They love it. To each his own. Whatever floats your > boat. Whatever lights your pipe. One mans trash is another mans......oh > well..you get the point. hehehe > > Alex > > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 22:30:58 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:30:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: Message-ID: <028b01c0dcb4$c9cf3d80$a40156d1@D9569601> Try plugging a set of interconnects to the preamp out of the bose sound wave (better yet, acoustic wave) to a high quality subwoofer and listen to it; not bad. I ran our bose soundwave cd/am-fm into a mirage 12" powered sub. The ninth sounded pretty damned good. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > Jim, beautifully writtten! I agree wholeheartedly. It is really up to the > listener. Room acoustics are another large factor. The term splitting > hairs comes to mind on this argument. One of the main reasons I like > Nakamichi tape decks is because of their sheer beauty....it is more than > wonderful that they sound as good as they look. Remember...there are those > that are very content with their BOSE Wave Radios. :-) I actually heard > one the other day (I was at a clients house and they had one of the large > model ones...I asked if I could listen to it). I think it sounded like a > disgrace. I certainly didn't say that....I just commented that it sounded > pretty good. They love it. To each his own. Whatever floats your > boat. Whatever lights your pipe. One mans trash is another mans......oh > well..you get the point. hehehe > > Alex > > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Mon May 14 23:05:12 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <028b01c0dcb4$c9cf3d80$a40156d1@D9569601> References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010514170347.00b3d8f0@mail.verizon.net> At 5/14/01, you wrote: >Try plugging a set of interconnects to the preamp out of the bose sound wave >(better yet, acoustic wave) to a high quality subwoofer and listen to it; >not bad. I ran our bose soundwave cd/am-fm into a mirage 12" powered sub. >The ninth sounded pretty damned good. > >Carl ======================= Yeah, Carl, but you had to go through eight bad ones. I don't have time for that sort of crap. ___________ Marc I make joke ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue May 15 01:33:07 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:33:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes References: <000701c0db33$fb6fd840$0705efd1@kevinrog> <000701c0dbf9$c7af2da0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <003f01c0dbfd$e24a41a0$d705efd1@kevinrog> <008d01c0dc14$feb6e6b0$56756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <003401c0dcce$b16da320$c92f2ac4@coqui.net> This selection is definetely one of the best ever made. I have the original Cd and it's simply awesome. Heard the Nak version once and it's the same: impressive. They re-recorded one full half again (don't remember which one) because they say it did not have the same feeling as the other one ! Go figure ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > Reference Recordings by Nakamichi > James Newton Howard & Friends > > Nakamichi Sheffield Lab RA-4023 > > Dolby C - TDK Metal 70us > > Advent cassettes also sounded very good. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Rogers" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > > > Hi John, what is the title? > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > I have a Nakamichi / Sheffield cassette. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kevin Rogers" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:36 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] High quality prerecorded cassettes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All. I am looking for high quality prerecorded cassettes like > > In-Synch > > > > Labs, Nautilus, DBX etc. If anyone has any to sell or trade or knows > > where > > > I > > > > can find some, let me know. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue May 15 06:22:22 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:52:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... Message-ID: <20010515042222.4339E1DFC59@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 15 06:39:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:39:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010514170347.00b3d8f0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <03db01c0dcf8$fe4e5340$a40156d1@D9569601> Simply pointing out that the thing sounds pretty good with some bass augmentation. My aunt in Virginia has an Acoustic Wave; I was pretty impressed with some Mozart coming out of the thing in a very large living room. The acoustic wave was parked in the corner and I went looking for the stereo. For a person that does not want to spend a lot of money and wants a simple solution and is willing to live with its limitations it is a viable solution. Would I replace my system with it? Of course not; would I pick one up for a good price used just to have to play in the garage or for my PC stereo? you better believe it. I would never pay 1200 retail for the damn thing (acoustic wave), though. Perhaps I am sensitive (been accused of the opposite) but when someone offers an opinion it is typically good manners to just thank them and respectfully disagree. That's what mom taught me, anyway. I prefer my Audio Note equipment, thank you. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > At 5/14/01, you wrote: > >Try plugging a set of interconnects to the preamp out of the bose sound wave > >(better yet, acoustic wave) to a high quality subwoofer and listen to it; > >not bad. I ran our bose soundwave cd/am-fm into a mirage 12" powered sub. > >The ninth sounded pretty damned good. > > > >Carl > > ======================= > > Yeah, Carl, but you had to go through eight bad ones. > I don't have time for that sort of crap. > > ___________ Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I make joke > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 15 16:31:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:31:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > others. That is why both are still being made. Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* because some people still believe that 'tubes are better at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than SS equipment. If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > Lets just leave it at that. > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > better than SS. Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging and said very little about tubes, except to note that one cannot really infer that tubes are directly responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > owned both, I strongly disagree. Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired or built more tube amps, with the possible exception of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, but does show far more experience than just having owned a few. > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. Before asking for someone to come forward and explain why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, why bother? As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in perspective. Enjoy the music, -- Ron > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > Ron wrote: > > > > I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few > > observations. The improvement with the Moscode > > preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. > > Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more > > on interaction between channels than on specific > > characteristics related to either individual > > channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' > > is meaningless). > > > > Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results > > when both channels characteristics are identical > > at every frequency across the entire band -- in > > amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible > > (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the > > sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps > > offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and > > 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging > > to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this > > effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very > > aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs > > where it did not exist in the original recording > > itself, it does not represent 'accurate' > > reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable > > with all program material, why, they should count > > their blessings. > > > > Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects > > the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I > > must assume it is solely responsible. So, why > > does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. > > Would another Moscode preamp (same model, > > identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it > > caused by tubes or some other aspect of the > > design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that > > tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line > > level circuitry)? Hell, NO. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which is still > > > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll find > > > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio systems, > > > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the Museatex BiDAT, > > > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better sounding than > > > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put in the > > > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually equalled > > > the Denon. > > > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your theories > > > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > > > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume control > > > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which means no > > > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up until > > > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the sound of > > > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different amps > > > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had just > > > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode Minuet > > > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the preamp > > > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my upgraded > > > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD track, I > > > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it dropping > > > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & forwardness > > > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode amp) > > > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had never heard > > > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many trials > > > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) & the > > > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or amps, > > > etc. > > > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is somehow > > > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that are > > > otherwise lost or supressed. > > > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & clients > > > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client wanted > > > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate preamp, > > > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months > > > ago > > > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > > > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records > > > on > > > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the > > > version > > > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > > > > > better ... > > > > > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > > > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > > > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on > > > the > > > > > DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > > > electronics. > > > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > > > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects > > > and > > > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try > > > the > > > > > test again. > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > > > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > > > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > > > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > > > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about > > > having > > > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > > > Stephen and others > > > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > > > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better > > > CD > > > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or > > > DAC/ > > > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 15 16:50:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:50:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010514170347.00b3d8f0@mail.verizon.net> <03db01c0dcf8$fe4e5340$a40156d1@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B01424F.6CB5B6BD@concentric.net> IMHO, the Bose wave radio sounds reasonably good, as table radios go, but is far from the high performance sound of A/V systems it purports to compete with. I would respect it's position in the marketplace, if it wasn't so horribly overpriced. You can get a 'box' system from Aiwa, Panasonic, Sony and the like for a small fraction of the Bose price, that will blow it out of the water, sound wise. The Bose thingy targets a large segment of the market, that wants, first, a small, unobtrusive piece of equipment and, second, something that they can operate without reading a manual (generally, an On/Off switch and a volume control are more than enough. A tuning knob throws some people off balance). An Aiwa box, that contains a CD player, two cassettes wells and detachable speakers at less than half the Bose basic radio price, while sounding ten times better, is too large and has too many knobs to attract Bose clientele. What sells Bose is not their supposedly good Engineering (which isn't), but it's excellent Marketing. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > Simply pointing out that the thing sounds pretty good with some bass > augmentation. My aunt in Virginia has an Acoustic Wave; I was pretty > impressed with some Mozart coming out of the thing in a very large living > room. The acoustic wave was parked in the corner and I went looking for the > stereo. For a person that does not want to spend a lot of money and wants a > simple solution and is willing to live with its limitations it is a viable > solution. > > Would I replace my system with it? Of course not; would I pick one up for a > good price used just to have to play in the garage or for my PC stereo? you > better believe it. I would never pay 1200 retail for the damn thing > (acoustic wave), though. > > Perhaps I am sensitive (been accused of the opposite) but when someone > offers an opinion it is typically good manners to just thank them and > respectfully disagree. That's what mom taught me, anyway. > > I prefer my Audio Note equipment, thank you. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > At 5/14/01, you wrote: > > >Try plugging a set of interconnects to the preamp out of the bose sound > wave > > >(better yet, acoustic wave) to a high quality subwoofer and listen to it; > > >not bad. I ran our bose soundwave cd/am-fm into a mirage 12" powered > sub. > > >The ninth sounded pretty damned good. > > > > > >Carl > > > > ======================= > > > > Yeah, Carl, but you had to go through eight bad ones. > > I don't have time for that sort of crap. > > > > ___________ Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I make joke > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 15 17:04:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:04:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> I would just like to add that, based on a large amount of listening experience in a wide variety of environments & wide variety of the cheapest to most expensive ss & tube equipment, I can say without a tiny shadow of doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less system present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, in any but a minuscule way. I have heard *very* inexpensive tube equipment(such as a $500 piece of junk Jolida) present the z-axis very well, and better than ss systems adding up to well over $60,000 that are excellently designed(e.g., Rowland, Spectral, etc.). I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is a tube characteristic that has not yet been achieved with ss designs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > > others. That is why both are still being made. > > Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* > because some people still believe that 'tubes are better > at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant > prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than > SS equipment. > > If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE > SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that > 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > > > Lets just leave it at that. > > > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > > better than SS. > > Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing > the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD > players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you > will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging > and said very little about tubes, except to note that > one cannot really infer that tubes are directly > responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > > > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > > owned both, I strongly disagree. > > Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I > used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured > a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). > We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very > surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired > or built more tube amps, with the possible exception > of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, > but does show far more experience than just having owned > a few. > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. > Before asking for someone to come forward and explain > why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that > your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression > is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, > why bother? > > As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS > have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as > compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) > the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in > perspective. > > Enjoy the music, > > -- Ron > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few > > > observations. The improvement with the Moscode > > > preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. > > > Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more > > > on interaction between channels than on specific > > > characteristics related to either individual > > > channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' > > > is meaningless). > > > > > > Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results > > > when both channels characteristics are identical > > > at every frequency across the entire band -- in > > > amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible > > > (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the > > > sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps > > > offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and > > > 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging > > > to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this > > > effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very > > > aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs > > > where it did not exist in the original recording > > > itself, it does not represent 'accurate' > > > reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable > > > with all program material, why, they should count > > > their blessings. > > > > > > Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects > > > the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I > > > must assume it is solely responsible. So, why > > > does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. > > > Would another Moscode preamp (same model, > > > identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it > > > caused by tubes or some other aspect of the > > > design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that > > > tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line > > > level circuitry)? Hell, NO. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which is still > > > > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll find > > > > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio systems, > > > > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the Museatex BiDAT, > > > > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better sounding than > > > > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put in the > > > > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually equalled > > > > the Denon. > > > > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your theories > > > > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > > > > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume control > > > > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which means no > > > > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up until > > > > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the sound of > > > > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different amps > > > > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had just > > > > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode Minuet > > > > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the preamp > > > > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my upgraded > > > > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD track, I > > > > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it dropping > > > > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & forwardness > > > > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode amp) > > > > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had never heard > > > > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many trials > > > > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) & the > > > > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or amps, > > > > etc. > > > > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is somehow > > > > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that are > > > > otherwise lost or supressed. > > > > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & clients > > > > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client wanted > > > > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate preamp, > > > > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > > > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > > > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > > > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > > > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > > > > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > > > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > > > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > > > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > > > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > > > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > > > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > > > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a few months > > > > ago > > > > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 (don't > > > > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky records > > > > on > > > > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, the > > > > version > > > > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded so much > > > > > > better ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi CR4A - > > > > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test again. I > > > > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version played on > > > > the > > > > > > DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > > > > electronics. > > > > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 pre-amp, Adcom > > > > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 interconnects > > > > and > > > > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player and try > > > > the > > > > > > test again. > > > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I tried it > > > > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded really > > > > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and Adcom 750 > > > > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I got the > > > > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand new. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is about > > > > having > > > > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > > > > Stephen and others > > > > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here for about > > > > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are better > > > > CD > > > > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better Mechanism or > > > > DAC/ > > > > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > > > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 15 12:43:11 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:43:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD preferences References: Message-ID: <3B0107F0.61CA3066@sunint.co.za> I agree John! I record compilation cassettes from CDs and listen to the cassettes. I don't have a reel to reel machine. My cassette decks leave nothing to be desired in terms of clarity, frequency response, clean, deep, waffle-free bass. I have nothing fancy CD - wise. A Sony CDP761E and a Kenwood 3080 Classic. I'm not against red book technology at all. It's just a matter of preference. I use my Pioneer PDR555RW CD recorder for making copies of my cassette compilations for friends. I have never made a CD-R copy for my own use. I never thought about it till now really. I've made quite a few for others who have no cassette deck or they listen to CD for convenience sake, particularly multiple CD players which satisfy the sonic wallpaper market. A colleague of mine who was mainly into home theatre until recently (cured by me) said he had 'no idea cassette could sound so good.' He said, I jest not, that my CR4E was so 'amazing'(his words) that "you wouldn't be able to get this sound on CD" and then said "I'm sure recording this onto CD would loose a lot of this." The he listened to a TDK MA-XG recording of some older Bob Dylan and Neil Young LPs. That clinched it. In the interim, he has bought a new Yamaha KX580SE. That's all he could get new on the same day that was half decent. What he doesn't realise is how much good analogue is going to cost him in the long run. Marc Hugo BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > Totally agree w/ you on this point Marc. Listen to CD for the convenience & > when an artist has a release only offered in the CD format. Personally will > stick to vinyl & tape for all critical listening. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue May 15 21:36:49 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:36:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002a01c0dd76$62edb980$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Stephen, I'd have to agree, having had some of the best SS and now working in a shop part time that sells lotsa tube. Obviously, speaker quality, placement, quality interconnects, etc all play a role, but damn... tubes just do "something" unquantifiable. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > I would just like to add that, based on a large amount of listening > experience in a wide variety of environments & wide variety of the cheapest > to most expensive ss & tube equipment, I can say without a tiny shadow of > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less system > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, in any but a > minuscule way. I have heard *very* inexpensive tube equipment(such as a > $500 piece of junk Jolida) present the z-axis very well, and better than ss > systems adding up to well over $60,000 that are excellently designed(e.g., > Rowland, Spectral, etc.). I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this > is a tube characteristic that has not yet been achieved with ss designs. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > > > others. That is why both are still being made. > > > > Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* > > because some people still believe that 'tubes are better > > at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant > > prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than > > SS equipment. > > > > If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE > > SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that > > 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > > > > > Lets just leave it at that. > > > > > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > > > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > > > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > > > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > > > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > > > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > > > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > > > > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > > > better than SS. > > > > Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing > > the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD > > players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you > > will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging > > and said very little about tubes, except to note that > > one cannot really infer that tubes are directly > > responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > > > > > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > > > owned both, I strongly disagree. > > > > Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I > > used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured > > a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). > > We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very > > surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired > > or built more tube amps, with the possible exception > > of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, > > but does show far more experience than just having owned > > a few. > > > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > > > No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. > > Before asking for someone to come forward and explain > > why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that > > your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression > > is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, > > why bother? > > > > As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS > > have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as > > compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) > > the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in > > perspective. > > > > Enjoy the music, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few > > > > observations. The improvement with the Moscode > > > > preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. > > > > Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more > > > > on interaction between channels than on specific > > > > characteristics related to either individual > > > > channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' > > > > is meaningless). > > > > > > > > Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results > > > > when both channels characteristics are identical > > > > at every frequency across the entire band -- in > > > > amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible > > > > (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the > > > > sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps > > > > offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and > > > > 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging > > > > to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this > > > > effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very > > > > aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs > > > > where it did not exist in the original recording > > > > itself, it does not represent 'accurate' > > > > reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable > > > > with all program material, why, they should count > > > > their blessings. > > > > > > > > Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects > > > > the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I > > > > must assume it is solely responsible. So, why > > > > does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. > > > > Would another Moscode preamp (same model, > > > > identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it > > > > caused by tubes or some other aspect of the > > > > design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that > > > > tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line > > > > level circuitry)? Hell, NO. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which > is still > > > > > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll > find > > > > > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio > systems, > > > > > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the > Museatex BiDAT, > > > > > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better > sounding than > > > > > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put > in the > > > > > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually > equalled > > > > > the Denon. > > > > > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your > theories > > > > > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > > > > > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume > control > > > > > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which > means no > > > > > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up > until > > > > > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the > sound of > > > > > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different > amps > > > > > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had > just > > > > > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode > Minuet > > > > > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the > preamp > > > > > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my > upgraded > > > > > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD > track, I > > > > > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it > dropping > > > > > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & > forwardness > > > > > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode > amp) > > > > > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had > never heard > > > > > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many > trials > > > > > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) > & the > > > > > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or > amps, > > > > > etc. > > > > > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is > somehow > > > > > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that > are > > > > > otherwise lost or supressed. > > > > > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & > clients > > > > > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client > wanted > > > > > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate > preamp, > > > > > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > > > > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > > > > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > > > > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > > > > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > > > > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > > > > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > > > > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > > > > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > > > > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > > > > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > > > > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a > few months > > > > > ago > > > > > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 > (don't > > > > > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky > records > > > > > on > > > > > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, > the > > > > > version > > > > > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded > so much > > > > > > > better ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi > CR4A - > > > > > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test > again. I > > > > > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version > played on > > > > > the > > > > > > > DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > > > > > electronics. > > > > > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 > pre-amp, Adcom > > > > > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 > interconnects > > > > > and > > > > > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player > and try > > > > > the > > > > > > > test again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I > tried it > > > > > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded > really > > > > > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and > Adcom 750 > > > > > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I > got the > > > > > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand > new. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want > to :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is > about > > > > > having > > > > > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > > > > > Stephen and others > > > > > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here > for about > > > > > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are > better > > > > > CD > > > > > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better > Mechanism or > > > > > DAC/ > > > > > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 15 21:00:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:00:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Power Question .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c0dd71$4f8f2cc0$6bd8883e@a4s1s2> Thanks to all for your advice regarding the power question. Much appreciated, guys. (For a moment I thought the heat was rising from the deck - it turned out to be one of the Quad 405's burning a bit too hot instead!) Cheers Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 15 21:00:25 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:00:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000201c0dd71$4cd75fc0$6bd8883e@a4s1s2> Ron Is it your view then that, $ for $, SS gives better reproduction than tube? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 15 May 2001 15:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > others. That is why both are still being made. Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* because some people still believe that 'tubes are better at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than SS equipment. If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > Lets just leave it at that. > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > better than SS. Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging and said very little about tubes, except to note that one cannot really infer that tubes are directly responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > owned both, I strongly disagree. Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired or built more tube amps, with the possible exception of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, but does show far more experience than just having owned a few. > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. Before asking for someone to come forward and explain why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, why bother? As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in perspective. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue May 15 22:12:55 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:12:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010514170347.00b3d8f0@mail.verizon.net> <03db01c0dcf8$fe4e5340$a40156d1@D9569601> <3B01424F.6CB5B6BD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00d301c0dd7b$6ecda260$41cef7a5@D9569601> ah, that is why I buy them used for a fraction... regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > IMHO, the Bose wave radio sounds reasonably good, as > table radios go, but is far from the high performance > sound of A/V systems it purports to compete with. I > would respect it's position in the marketplace, if it > wasn't so horribly overpriced. You can get a 'box' > system from Aiwa, Panasonic, Sony and the like for a > small fraction of the Bose price, that will blow it > out of the water, sound wise. > > The Bose thingy targets a large segment of the market, > that wants, first, a small, unobtrusive piece of > equipment and, second, something that they can operate > without reading a manual (generally, an On/Off switch > and a volume control are more than enough. A tuning > knob throws some people off balance). An Aiwa box, > that contains a CD player, two cassettes wells and > detachable speakers at less than half the Bose basic > radio price, while sounding ten times better, is too > large and has too many knobs to attract Bose clientele. > > What sells Bose is not their supposedly good Engineering > (which isn't), but it's excellent Marketing. > > -- Ron > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > Simply pointing out that the thing sounds pretty good with some bass > > augmentation. My aunt in Virginia has an Acoustic Wave; I was pretty > > impressed with some Mozart coming out of the thing in a very large living > > room. The acoustic wave was parked in the corner and I went looking for the > > stereo. For a person that does not want to spend a lot of money and wants a > > simple solution and is willing to live with its limitations it is a viable > > solution. > > > > Would I replace my system with it? Of course not; would I pick one up for a > > good price used just to have to play in the garage or for my PC stereo? you > > better believe it. I would never pay 1200 retail for the damn thing > > (acoustic wave), though. > > > > Perhaps I am sensitive (been accused of the opposite) but when someone > > offers an opinion it is typically good manners to just thank them and > > respectfully disagree. That's what mom taught me, anyway. > > > > I prefer my Audio Note equipment, thank you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Stager" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > At 5/14/01, you wrote: > > > >Try plugging a set of interconnects to the preamp out of the bose sound > > wave > > > >(better yet, acoustic wave) to a high quality subwoofer and listen to it; > > > >not bad. I ran our bose soundwave cd/am-fm into a mirage 12" powered > > sub. > > > >The ninth sounded pretty damned good. > > > > > > > >Carl > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > Yeah, Carl, but you had to go through eight bad ones. > > > I don't have time for that sort of crap. > > > > > > ___________ Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I make joke > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 15 22:15:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B018E67.543B8DD3@concentric.net> I have a purely SS system, consisting of a Denon Preamp and Aragon 8008 power amplification channels. It's far from $60,000 -- you can get the whole system, including TV, for less than half that. Yet, I get very convincing depth from quite a few recordings. Outstanding examples include Verdi's Requiem (which I have on XL-II cassette made from the Teldek CD and a Ricky Lee Jones 17 year old CD. I also have the Requiem on Philips CDs (Gardiner). In this recording, the chorus (about 120 people that in concert is well behind the orchestra), orchestra and hall are all compressed into a sheet that is virtually paper thin. I usually listen to it in 'Matrix' simulation - it benefits greatly. I always thought that depth is a function of the recording itself and depends on mics placement and hall acoustics. Perception of depth is caused by reverberation and the differing distances of the sources from the mics. I don't recall ever being aware of depth depending on amplification devices choice and honestly do not know why they can affect it. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I would just like to add that, based on a large amount of listening > experience in a wide variety of environments & wide variety of the cheapest > to most expensive ss & tube equipment, I can say without a tiny shadow of > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less system > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, in any but a > minuscule way. I have heard *very* inexpensive tube equipment(such as a > $500 piece of junk Jolida) present the z-axis very well, and better than ss > systems adding up to well over $60,000 that are excellently designed(e.g., > Rowland, Spectral, etc.). I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this > is a tube characteristic that has not yet been achieved with ss designs. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > > > others. That is why both are still being made. > > > > Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* > > because some people still believe that 'tubes are better > > at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant > > prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than > > SS equipment. > > > > If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE > > SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that > > 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > > > > > Lets just leave it at that. > > > > > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > > > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > > > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > > > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > > > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > > > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > > > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > > > > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > > > better than SS. > > > > Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing > > the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD > > players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you > > will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging > > and said very little about tubes, except to note that > > one cannot really infer that tubes are directly > > responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > > > > > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > > > owned both, I strongly disagree. > > > > Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I > > used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured > > a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). > > We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very > > surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired > > or built more tube amps, with the possible exception > > of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, > > but does show far more experience than just having owned > > a few. > > > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > > > No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. > > Before asking for someone to come forward and explain > > why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that > > your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression > > is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, > > why bother? > > > > As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS > > have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as > > compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) > > the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in > > perspective. > > > > Enjoy the music, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > I have no clear hypothesis, but do have a few > > > > observations. The improvement with the Moscode > > > > preamp was in bass ambiance and stereo imaging. > > > > Both are psychoacoustic phenomena that depend more > > > > on interaction between channels than on specific > > > > characteristics related to either individual > > > > channel. (Obviously, 'single channel staging' > > > > is meaningless). > > > > > > > > Theoretically, 'accurate' sound staging results > > > > when both channels characteristics are identical > > > > at every frequency across the entire band -- in > > > > amplitude, as well as phase. It is possible > > > > (actually, easy) to artificially either expand the > > > > sound stage or to diminish it -- many preamps > > > > offer these features with 'expanded stereo' and > > > > 'mono' switching. It is also possible for imaging > > > > to be modified unintentionally. Sometimes, this > > > > effect (intentional or otherwise) can be very > > > > aurally pleasing. On the one hand, if it occurs > > > > where it did not exist in the original recording > > > > itself, it does not represent 'accurate' > > > > reproduction. OTOH, if listeners find it enjoyable > > > > with all program material, why, they should count > > > > their blessings. > > > > > > > > Since you state that the Moscode preamp affects > > > > the sound stage with a variety of equipment, I > > > > must assume it is solely responsible. So, why > > > > does this Moscode preamp do it? I don't know. > > > > Would another Moscode preamp (same model, > > > > identical tweaks) also do it? Don't know. Is it > > > > caused by tubes or some other aspect of the > > > > design? Don't know. Does it somehow imply that > > > > tubes are superiour to SS (specifically, in line > > > > level circuitry)? Hell, NO. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you read my Audiophile Voice review of the Denon DVD-5000, which > is still > > > > > the best DAC & output section I've yet seen on a DVD player, you'll > find > > > > > that my conclusion, after exhaustive testing on two different audio > systems, > > > > > was that it was not perceivably better than the sound of the > Museatex BiDAT, > > > > > and in some ways inferior, with the BiDAT being clearly better > sounding than > > > > > the ludicrously expensive Krell KPS-25sc player. What I didn't put > in the > > > > > review is that even my "ancient" Pioneer CLD-95 by itself virtually > equalled > > > > > the Denon. > > > > > On the subject of tubes in DAC's, I can say this, and ask for your > theories > > > > > as to what is going on: The BiDAT has an extremely well designed, > > > > > high-current, 4volt rms output stage. It also has a unique volume > control > > > > > that alters the reference voltage of the bitstream DAC chips, which > means no > > > > > resolution loss, nor a resistive attenuator in the signal path. Up > until > > > > > this particular time, no preamp intervention could improve upon the > sound of > > > > > the BiDAT directly driving any given power amp(a number of different > amps > > > > > where tried up to & after this occassion). On this occassion, I had > just > > > > > finished doing the first ultra-radical rebuild upgrade of a Moscode > Minuet > > > > > in A tube hybrid preamp. After only bench testing, I brought the > preamp > > > > > into the audio room & installed it between BiDAT & one of my > upgraded > > > > > Moscode 300 power amps. After the first few notes of the first CD > track, I > > > > > found myself trying to pick my jaw up off of the ground, due to it > dropping > > > > > so far. The soundstage was bigger by about half. The depth & > forwardness > > > > > of the soundstage(which was already nice by virtue of the Moscode > amp) > > > > > expanded dramatically. And the low bass had ambience that I had > never heard > > > > > before in my life. In a word: addictive. I have since done many > trials > > > > > with this preamp(which is loaned back to me by the owner now & then) > & the > > > > > results are similar in every system, regardless of CD front end or > amps, > > > > > etc. > > > > > The only hypothesis I have come up with is that the tube stage is > somehow > > > > > recovering or re-expanding timing & phase cues in the signal that > are > > > > > otherwise lost or supressed. > > > > > What would be your hypothesis? Or am I and a number of my friends & > clients > > > > > merely having aural hallucinations? Bear in mind that one client > wanted > > > > > desperately for the Minuet to sound inferior to his CAT Ultimate > preamp, > > > > > which he had a pile of money into. It didn't. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Early generation DVD players were notorious for > > > > > > very poor CD play. First, because the huge jitter > > > > > > of the transports caused an audibly high error > > > > > > rate and, second, because the whole audio path > > > > > > design was treated as an afterthought. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not familiar with the Sony 560 and don't know > > > > > > its vintage, but one shouldn't judge DVD players > > > > > > in general based on those that sound bad. As an > > > > > > example, the Denon 3700 (a carousel DVD player with > > > > > > 24bit/96KHz DACs) offers surprisingly high end sound > > > > > > of CD playback -- better than the $1200 Adcom (not > > > > > > sure of model number). It lists for about $1000, but > > > > > > can be had on the 'net for $600-$800. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no experience with the latest DVD-Audio players, but a > few months > > > > > ago > > > > > > > did a comparison between my CD Player and a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The CD player is SONY XA20ES, and the DVD Player was SONY xxx560 > (don't > > > > > > > remember the exact symbols). I played the same music from Chesky > records > > > > > on > > > > > > > both. The version for the CD player was a traditional recording, > the > > > > > version > > > > > > > for the DVD player was a 24/96 recording. The CD player sounded > so much > > > > > > > better ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went even as far as recording the CD player onto a Nakamichi > CR4A - > > > > > > > carefully calibrated for a TDK MA-X tape and repeating the test > again. I > > > > > > > prefered the recorded sound of the CR4A to the 24/96 version > played on > > > > > the > > > > > > > DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My conclusion was that the $400 Sony DVD player had much worse > > > > > electronics. > > > > > > > I did the comparo using both units hooked up to ADCOM 565 > pre-amp, Adcom > > > > > > > 5500 amp, and Mirage OM6 speakers - connected via MIT 2 > interconnects > > > > > and > > > > > > > bi-wire speaker cables. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting for one of my friends to get a new DVD-Audio player > and try > > > > > the > > > > > > > test again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, SONY XA20ES is an excellent sounding CD player. I > tried it > > > > > > > against Marantz 63 and Rotel costing more money, and it sounded > really > > > > > > > better - the two units I liked more were SONY XA7ES ($3K) and > Adcom 750 > > > > > > > ($1250). The one that was more of a tie was Denon 1650 ($999). I > got the > > > > > > > SONY at http://www.abtelectronics.com for less than $500 brand > new. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 11, 2001 11:31 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want > to :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for off Nak topic but an interesting one to deal with is > about > > > > > having > > > > > > > nice CD player next to my Dragon or CR7! > > > > > > > Stephen and others > > > > > > > What about used DVD players like Panasonic A300 available here > for about > > > > > > > 200USD for CD playing. As many pointed out about DVD players are > better > > > > > CD > > > > > > > players, what are your experiences? Are they having better > Mechanism or > > > > > DAC/ > > > > > > > Digital circuits comapred to CD players? > > > > > > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue May 15 22:50:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:50:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B018E67.543B8DD3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <019d01c0dd80$9fa64400$7af63fd0@oemcomputer> I'm not as biased against solid state as I used to be I have heard very good although expensive SS like the goldmunds And I do Like the Aragon 8008 amp especially for home theater as for depth and sound staging etc. it really is a function of recordings more than equipment imo however I have a few thoughts about tubes one the may portray microdynamics and low level sound cues better than ss because of a better transfer function They obiviously clip in a nicer meaning even harmonic way than solid state but part of me wonders if slightly microphonic tubes enhance the sense of depth and soundstaging. (which if true is not good for accuracy and truth) Warren PS I have always found it a good sign in judging a stereo system for records and cd's to sound different. By that I mean your system changes when playing say various cd's. I dislike it it when everything sounds good(bad) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue May 15 23:30:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:30:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <000201c0dd71$4cd75fc0$6bd8883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B01A011.674A41D2@concentric.net> I can't vouch for each and every specific case, but in general, yes, that's my experience. It is also my opinion that, with time, this will get more and more so. But then, define 'better reproduction'... The main differences between tubes and SS are the subtle high end roll off (gives impression of 'smooth' sound) and even order harmonic distortion (makes for 'warm' sound) of the former, that many people prefer to the harsh, revealing (and accurate) 'transistor sound'. To these people, tubes are preferable. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron > > Is it your view then that, $ for $, SS gives better reproduction than tube? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 15 May 2001 15:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > > others. That is why both are still being made. > > Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* > because some people still believe that 'tubes are better > at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant > prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than > SS equipment. > > If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE > SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that > 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > > > Lets just leave it at that. > > > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > > better than SS. > > Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing > the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD > players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you > will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging > and said very little about tubes, except to note that > one cannot really infer that tubes are directly > responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > > > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > > owned both, I strongly disagree. > > Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I > used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured > a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). > We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very > surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired > or built more tube amps, with the possible exception > of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, > but does show far more experience than just having owned > a few. > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. > Before asking for someone to come forward and explain > why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that > your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression > is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, > why bother? > > As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS > have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as > compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) > the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in > perspective. > > Enjoy the music, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 16 00:51:08 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:51:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <000201c0dd71$4cd75fc0$6bd8883e@a4s1s2> <3B01A011.674A41D2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002701c0dd91$88706e80$b4d6f7a5@D9569601> All of the tapers that I know use vintage tube microphones into tube mic preamplifiers and then into a prodat. The only exception is very high quality solid state mics like schoeps and neumann (u87, for example). Still, the tube examples of schoeps and the U87 are highly admired. The combination of the tube mic into the DAT works quite well for a nice recording. Seems like many high quality acoustic recordings (dave grisman, tony rice) also make a point of utilizing vintage tube microphones for the mastering. It is what I use, as well; AKG C61 mics (matched stereo pair from early 1940's). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > I can't vouch for each and every specific case, but > in general, yes, that's my experience. It is also my > opinion that, with time, this will get more and more > so. > > But then, define 'better reproduction'... The main > differences between tubes and SS are the subtle high > end roll off (gives impression of 'smooth' sound) and > even order harmonic distortion (makes for 'warm' sound) > of the former, that many people prefer to the harsh, > revealing (and accurate) 'transistor sound'. To these > people, tubes are preferable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Ron > > > > Is it your view then that, $ for $, SS gives better reproduction than tube? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 15 May 2001 15:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > SS circuits are better at some things, tube circuits are better at > > > others. That is why both are still being made. > > > > Actually, tube audio gear is still being made *only* > > because some people still believe that 'tubes are better > > at some things', and are willing to pay the exorbitant > > prices. Markup on tube equipment is far, far higher than > > SS equipment. > > > > If you compare tube equipment to SS equipment AT THE > > SAME PRICE LEVEL, you will find little to support that > > 'tube have more natural, palpable imaging'. > > > > > Lets just leave it at that. > > > > > > I try not to get wrapped up in dogma in this hobby. I own both solid > > > state and tube gear, a CD player and turntable, dynamic and > > > electrostatic speakers. Hey, variety is the spice of life! I have a > > > difficulty generalizing which is superior. Like many things in this > > > hobby, it depends on implementation and circuit design, the system it's > > > used in, and most importantly, the listener's or designer's personal > > > preferences, not the specific technology used. > > > > > > You seem to feel that there is not one thing that tubes can possibly do > > > better than SS. > > > > Actually, I said nothing of the kind. We were discussing > > the very specific use of tubes as a line stage in CD > > players. If you re-read my post (quoted below), you > > will find that I was addressing the nature of imaging > > and said very little about tubes, except to note that > > one cannot really infer that tubes are directly > > responsible for wider imaging without further investigation. > > > > > That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. Having > > > owned both, I strongly disagree. > > > > Well, that's your prerogative. In a previous life, I > > used to build audio equipment and actually manufactured > > a certain well known tube SE amplifier (the Mullard 44). > > We also serviced high end equipment. I will be very > > surprised if anyone here has heard, tested, repaired > > or built more tube amps, with the possible exception > > of Stephen. This doesn't lend more weight to my opinion, > > but does show far more experience than just having owned > > a few. > > > > > By the way, I have often felt that tube circuits yield more natural, > > > palpable sound staging and imaging. Until someone comes up with > > > measurements that explain why, I'm content to just sit back and enjoy. > > > > No offense, but you seem to be begging the question. > > Before asking for someone to come forward and explain > > why you feel as you do, you may wish to verify that > > your essentially subjective, possibly illusory impression > > is grounded in fact. However, since you do enjoy it, > > why bother? > > > > As a final thought: it is well accepted that tubes vs. SS > > have very little effect on sound staging and imaging, as > > compared to speakers, room acoustics and (most important) > > the recording itself. This puts this whole discussion in > > perspective. > > > > Enjoy the music, > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Wed May 16 11:52:56 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:52:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less system > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis without tubes. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 16 18:17:17 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:17:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 Message-ID: <013801c0de23$ae305a80$31021fac@brianm> Hello, There was a discussion not long ago that included many decks. I have been talking with a guy that owns a Aiwa F990 and wants to purchase a CR-7A. He says the F990 is the best he has heard and has won numerous awards. It was thinking this deck was brought up in our past discussions. I have deleted those old messages. Can I get some thoughts on this deck and what he may expect going to the CR-7A from those that know of the F990? Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 16 18:52:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:52:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like a "sonic holography" processor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > system > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > without tubes. > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 16 19:00:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:00:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <013801c0de23$ae305a80$31021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <075e01c0de29$c55548a0$8e3442cf@sank1> I bought my dad an Aiwa F990 a few years before I got him a CR-7A. Major difference is the Nak has way more low bass. More subtle is the overall transparency of sound. More dynamic & spacious. The F990 was the peak of Aiwa's evolution, and was a very good deck, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 Hello, There was a discussion not long ago that included many decks. I have been talking with a guy that owns a Aiwa F990 and wants to purchase a CR-7A. He says the F990 is the best he has heard and has won numerous awards. It was thinking this deck was brought up in our past discussions. I have deleted those old messages. Can I get some thoughts on this deck and what he may expect going to the CR-7A from those that know of the F990? Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Wed May 16 19:36:13 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:36:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 In-Reply-To: <075e01c0de29$c55548a0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I had an Aiwa AD-F850, which was deck below the AD-F990, but it was still a very good deck for the money. I picked it up from J&R Music World in NYC for their close-out price of $129.00 in the early 1990's!! 3 heads, dual capstan, wireless remote (included) +++ It was a great deal. I believe the big difference between the two decks was that the 990 had Dolby S, whereas my deck had B & C, as well as HX PRO. One thing that annoyed me about the deck (and perhaps the 990 has the same system) was the clicking noises it would make when you first put a tape in the well and closed the door. They have this stabilizing mechanism which holds the tape firmly in place. While I'm sure that's a good thing, it was annoying. A small price to pay for the good value it offered, and very good sound. But other than that, it was a great deck. I gave it to a friend, and he is still enjoying it. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 16 20:26:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:26:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another Power Question References: <20010516174948.57955.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <078e01c0de35$ab2167a0$8e3442cf@sank1> LB1649 chips go bad all by themselves, with no provocation. Used to be a very common VCR motor loading drive IC. A very cheap chip, which ANY VCR part supplier or service shop should have in abundance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Another Power Question > > Hi Nakexperts, > > Just as Graham found happiness .. my cr3 got burned. > PCB around IC 608 (LB1649) is black in color, with IC > itself split in half (and of course keep blowing > fuses). Chip is a Sanyo 'dual bidirectional motor > driver'. > > What could possibly caused this? This deck was > usually turned on the whole day, but that shouldn't be > any problem, isn't it? Over voltage ? Anybody else > ever experienced this? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 16 20:32:27 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:32:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tubes, electrostats and imaging... References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3B02C7BB.415604C0@earthlink.net> ahhhh, the combination of tubes and electrostats... With the right combination, this is one to die for! The amp must be up to the task of driving a reactive, low impedance load and the electrostats need to be huge and full range (Sound Labs) or well designed hybrids (Innersound). Speakers like these have very few weaknesses and a very important number of advantages. Most importantly is their dipole directionality. The speaker/room acoustics interface is drastically important. Monopole speakers tend to spew out sound in a very uncontrolled way. If you compare an in-room impulse response measurement (a graphic representation that essentially shows the ratio of direct to reflected sound) of a monopole and dipole speaker, you will really understand what I mean. The monopole will have spikes all over the graph from the many, many reflections caused by it's uncontrolled wide dispersion. Now take a look at an electrostats measurement. What you will see are three or four spikes from the first couple of early reflections and virtually nothing more. Very telling indeed. Now sit down and listen to both. You will notice that the sound from the electrostat is much more focused and coherent with greater inner detail. The dynamics (both micro and macro) are much more controlled. The tonal balance is much more even and consistent between channels. In short, you hear much more of the recording and much less of the room. And I haven't even gotten into the advantages that electrostats enjoys in terms of lack of distortion or crossover. Getting back to Stephens comments, I believe that the perception of depth is something that is encoded in the recording and your system can either pass that information along or diminish it. Tubes tend pass it along unscathed better than solid state. The main culprit though is really the speaker/room interface, and dipoles have a distinct advantage. Jim Volpatti Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > system > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > without tubes. > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 16 20:38:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:38:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like a > "sonic holography" processor. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maurits" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > system > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > without tubes. > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu May 17 01:41:01 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:41:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601c0de61$aa53da70$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. There are two types, the 55 and 63 The 63 has a diafragm into the niddle with timebase correction. Each "circle" gives a delay and delivers the right signal to the listeners ear. It gives the typical sound not even between, but also behind and forwardness the set. > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. No colouring, because there's no cabinet involved. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Thu May 17 01:48:43 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:48:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002e01c0de62$bd90f950$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like a > "sonic holography" processor. Reproduced music is always artificial, with or without electron tubes. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 17 02:14:57 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:14:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player In-Reply-To: <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000901c0de66$67fc6ac0$c946063e@a4s1s2> Waidaminute! Shurely we means Quad amplifiers (the maker, Quad, they who made the allegedly first electrostatic speaks), not quadrophonic amplifiers???!! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 16 May 2001 17:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like a "sonic holography" processor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > system > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > without tubes. > > > Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Thu May 17 03:21:15 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Power Question In-Reply-To: <078e01c0de35$ab2167a0$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010517012115.10106.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks again, Stephen. Saw your post regarding Advent 201 on r.a.m - wish I can send one as a thank you gift. :-) Best regards, Salim SM --- Stephen Sank wrote: > LB1649 chips go bad all by themselves, with no > provocation. Used to be a > very common VCR motor loading drive IC. A very > cheap chip, which ANY VCR > part supplier or service shop should have in > abundance. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 17 04:56:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:56:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, but I don't really care. My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves one stick of furniture in the room! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like a > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maurits" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > system > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 17 05:07:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:07:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another Power Question References: <20010517012115.10106.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07e501c0de7e$77725100$8e3442cf@sank1> Couldn't resist commenting on the Advent. Truly an achievement of BAD engineering. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another Power Question > > Thanks again, Stephen. Saw your post regarding Advent > 201 on r.a.m - wish I can send one as a thank you > gift. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > --- Stephen Sank wrote: > > LB1649 chips go bad all by themselves, with no > > provocation. Used to be a > > very common VCR motor loading drive IC. A very > > cheap chip, which ANY VCR > > part supplier or service shop should have in > > abundance. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 05:36:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:36:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bipoles vs. dipoles References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B034737.7E9AEA1E@earthlink.net> I think you're referring to bi-directional or "figure-eight" microphones. I've never heard them referred to as bipolar. But then again, I didn't begin my work as a recording engineer until 1985 do maybe the older guys called these mics by a different name. Nevertheless, bipolar speakers are usually dynamic speakers that have similar drivers that operate over the same frequency range mounted on the front and rear of the speakers cabinet. They are connected electrically in phase with each other and operated acoustically in phase in the room. Dipole speakers on the other hand typically have two drivers that mounted front and back that operate over the same frequency range but are connected out of phase with each other, or have a single driver that is open both front and back, that presents an out of phase wavefront into the room. The advantage of dipole speakers is that they are line source speakers with no vertical dispersion and very little side dispersion (the out of phase wavefront cancels to the sides) so most of the sound is directed at the listener and not off the nearby walls, ceiling and floor. Result? You hear more of the recording and less of the room. Regarding, "backwave cancellation effects", it's mostly an issue with smaller fullrange or hybrid electrostats with lowish crossover frequencies (250 Hz or lower). With larger panels the cancellation happens at frequencies below 100 Hz, a good thing in most rooms. In hybrid electrostats with smaller panels and higher crossover frequencies, the panel is crossed over at frequency so that the cancellation is never an issue. Regardless, dipole speakers are finicky about speaker placement but reward their owner with fabulous sound. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > but I don't really care. > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > one stick of furniture in the room! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > a > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maurits" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > system > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 17 09:39:31 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:39:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: Message-ID: <3B038033.D804ED13@sunint.co.za> Hi Ron: I know the AD-F850 quite well, it was a development of the AD-F810, and is as you described. However, as far as I remember the AD-F990 was a very different creature from a different era (1984-1987 is when I saw them). It's siblings were the AD-F660, AD-F770, AD-F880, all of which were three head, dual capstan decks with the characteristic, 'bottom lip' control panels and a continuous head de-magnetising system. The much later (mid-nineties) AD-F850, and slightly later AD-F750S/AD-F950S were adequate decks in their own right and very good value for money. But the AD-F950S cannot be mistaken for an AD-F990. Cheaper integrated Dolby S chips had by that time been produced by Sony, for their TCK-511S/611S units. They (the 1991-1997 Aiwas) did however sport significant compromises in heads and circuitry compared with the 'heyday' mid-eighties Aiwa decks. Note the build standards - mid-eighties Aiwas were all-steel fabrication. The 90's models are formed metal fascias with plastic everywhere else. I recall Stephen Sank mentioning that once Aiwa was reabsorbed by parent company Sony at some point (early nineties, I think) they lost the autonomy that enabled them to build (relatively) serious hardware. I believe the XK-9000S/7000S may have been good (early nineties) but have never heard one. Whilst relieving a lady of a Nakamichi last November, she asked which machine I would recommend keeping - an Aiwa AD-F660 or a Yamaha KX-390. I think she got the drift when I offered to purchase the Aiwa as well. Cheers, Marc Roland Alford wrote: > I had an Aiwa AD-F850, which was deck below the AD-F990, but it was still a > very good deck for the money. I picked it up from J&R Music World in NYC > for their close-out price of $129.00 in the early 1990's!! 3 heads, dual > capstan, wireless remote (included) +++ It was a great deal. I believe > the big difference between the two decks was that the 990 had Dolby S, > whereas my deck had B & C, as well as HX PRO. > > One thing that annoyed me about the deck (and perhaps the 990 has the same > system) was the clicking noises it would make when you first put a tape in > the well and closed the door. They have this stabilizing mechanism which > holds the tape firmly in place. While I'm sure that's a good thing, it was > annoying. A small price to pay for the good value it offered, and very good > sound. But other than that, it was a great deck. I gave it to a friend, and > he is still enjoying it. > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Thu May 17 15:34:56 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (Jeff Yee) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Any nak talkers living in Italy? Message-ID: <20010517133456.26961.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Send me an e-mail. Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 17 16:41:36 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:41:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > but I don't really care. As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, it is OUT of phase. With this definition in mind, *all* single driver open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > one stick of furniture in the room! This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound field with little or no apparent source location. For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that do produce directionality, sort of) is considered better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom recommendations. For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, they sounded great on mono... -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > a > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maurits" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > system > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 17 17:16:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:16:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <3B038033.D804ED13@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <000701c0dee4$51cef000$933442cf@sank1> You are completely correct in your Aiwa history, Marc. It was all downhill after the AD-F990/770/660/330/220 decks of around 1984 or 85. The F220, a soft-touch mechanism, was the cheapest cassette deck, just about ever, at $129, to offer genuinely entry level "high end" performance & durability. I bought one in amazing condition a month or so ago on ebay really cheap, just 'cause I couldn't resist, due to my fondness for them. Anybody need a dirt cheap, nice deck? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > Hi Ron: > > I know the AD-F850 quite well, it was a development of the AD-F810, and is as you > described. However, as far as I remember the AD-F990 was a very different creature > from a different era (1984-1987 is when I saw them). It's siblings were the AD-F660, > AD-F770, AD-F880, all of which were three head, dual capstan decks with the > characteristic, 'bottom lip' control panels and a continuous head de-magnetising > system. > > The much later (mid-nineties) AD-F850, and slightly later AD-F750S/AD-F950S were > adequate decks in their own right and very good value for money. But the AD-F950S > cannot be mistaken for an AD-F990. Cheaper integrated Dolby S chips had by that time > been produced by Sony, for their TCK-511S/611S units. They (the 1991-1997 Aiwas) did > however sport significant compromises in heads and circuitry compared with the 'heyday' > mid-eighties Aiwa decks. Note the build standards - mid-eighties Aiwas were all-steel > fabrication. The 90's models are formed metal fascias with plastic everywhere else. > > I recall Stephen Sank mentioning that once Aiwa was reabsorbed by parent company Sony > at some point (early nineties, I think) they lost the autonomy that enabled them to > build (relatively) serious hardware. I believe the XK-9000S/7000S may have been good > (early nineties) but have never heard one. > > Whilst relieving a lady of a Nakamichi last November, she asked which machine I would > recommend keeping - an Aiwa AD-F660 or a Yamaha KX-390. I think she got the drift when > I offered to purchase the Aiwa as well. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > I had an Aiwa AD-F850, which was deck below the AD-F990, but it was still a > > very good deck for the money. I picked it up from J&R Music World in NYC > > for their close-out price of $129.00 in the early 1990's!! 3 heads, dual > > capstan, wireless remote (included) +++ It was a great deal. I believe > > the big difference between the two decks was that the 990 had Dolby S, > > whereas my deck had B & C, as well as HX PRO. > > > > One thing that annoyed me about the deck (and perhaps the 990 has the same > > system) was the clicking noises it would make when you first put a tape in > > the well and closed the door. They have this stabilizing mechanism which > > holds the tape firmly in place. While I'm sure that's a good thing, it was > > annoying. A small price to pay for the good value it offered, and very good > > sound. But other than that, it was a great deck. I gave it to a friend, and > > he is still enjoying it. > > > > --Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 17 17:56:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:56:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001901c0dee9$ef89b6e0$933442cf@sank1> Ron, So, you're telling me that it was Tom Holman(THX) that screwed up the definitions of "bipolar" & "dipolar"?=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > but I don't really care. > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > it is OUT of phase. > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > field with little or no apparent source location. > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > recommendations. > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > they sounded great on mono... > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > a > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > system > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 21:48:28 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:48:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough for two to enjoy side by side. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > but I don't really care. > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > it is OUT of phase. > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > field with little or no apparent source location. > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > recommendations. > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > they sounded great on mono... > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > a > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > system > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 22:06:39 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:06:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B042F4F.76DEBC45@earthlink.net> And it is precisely because of this small sweet spot that they sound so amazing when you're in it. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > for two to enjoy side by side. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > > but I don't really care. > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > recommendations. > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > > a > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > > system > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 22:08:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B034737.7E9AEA1E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B042FC5.862CC83@earthlink.net> I think you're referring to bi-directional or "figure-eight" microphones. I've never heard them referred to as bipolar. But then again, I didn't begin my work as a recording engineer until 1985 do maybe the older guys called these mics by a different name. Nevertheless, bipolar speakers are usually dynamic speakers that have similar drivers that operate over the same frequency range mounted on the front and rear of the speakers cabinet. They are connected electrically in phase with each other and operated acoustically in phase in the room. Dipole speakers on the other hand typically have two drivers that mounted front and back that operate over the same frequency range but are connected out of phase with each other, or have a single driver that is open both front and back, that presents an out of phase wavefront into the room. The advantage of dipole speakers is that they are line source speakers with no vertical dispersion and very little side dispersion (the out of phase wavefront cancels to the sides) so most of the sound is directed at the listener and not off the nearby walls, ceiling and floor. Result? You hear more of the recording and less of the room. Regarding, "backwave cancellation effects", it's mostly an issue with smaller fullrange or hybrid electrostats with lowish crossover frequencies (250 Hz or lower). With larger panels the cancellation happens at frequencies below 100 Hz, a good thing in most rooms. In hybrid electrostats with smaller panels and higher crossover frequencies, the panel is crossed over at frequency so that the cancellation is never an issue. Regardless, dipole speakers are finicky about speaker placement but reward their owner with fabulous sound. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > but I don't really care. > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > a > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > system > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 17 22:32:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:32:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> Jim, I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in a main speaker. As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but (depending on room acoustics and listener position) present to some degree in all but very specific points in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very specific locations are the two speakers in the correct phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at least, those I know) are extremely fond of their speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their strength. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > for two to enjoy side by side. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > > but I don't really care. > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > recommendations. > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > > a > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > > system > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 17 23:14:45 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:14:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles In-Reply-To: <3B042FC5.862CC83@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000a01c0df16$65d36040$fddb883e@a4s1s2> Jim Forgive me for asking if you've already stated this, but as a recording engineer, what are your favourite make/model of speakers? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 17 May 2001 21:09 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles I think you're referring to bi-directional or "figure-eight" microphones. I've never heard them referred to as bipolar. But then again, I didn't begin my work as a recording engineer until 1985 do maybe the older guys called these mics by a different name. Nevertheless, bipolar speakers are usually dynamic speakers that have similar drivers that operate over the same frequency range mounted on the front and rear of the speakers cabinet. They are connected electrically in phase with each other and operated acoustically in phase in the room. Dipole speakers on the other hand typically have two drivers that mounted front and back that operate over the same frequency range but are connected out of phase with each other, or have a single driver that is open both front and back, that presents an out of phase wavefront into the room. The advantage of dipole speakers is that they are line source speakers with no vertical dispersion and very little side dispersion (the out of phase wavefront cancels to the sides) so most of the sound is directed at the listener and not off the nearby walls, ceiling and floor. Result? You hear more of the recording and less of the room. Regarding, "backwave cancellation effects", it's mostly an issue with smaller fullrange or hybrid electrostats with lowish crossover frequencies (250 Hz or lower). With larger panels the cancellation happens at frequencies below 100 Hz, a good thing in most rooms. In hybrid electrostats with smaller panels and higher crossover frequencies, the panel is crossed over at frequency so that the cancellation is never an issue. Regardless, dipole speakers are finicky about speaker placement but reward their owner with fabulous sound. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 17 23:14:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:14:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Electrostats In-Reply-To: <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000901c0df16$64b79000$fddb883e@a4s1s2> For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, they sounded great on mono... -- Ron Interesting. The original Quad Electrostats sold badly in the US, as have subsequent versions of it, but extremely well in the UK, Europe and Japan. Oddly enough, their reputation in the UK is that, when placed properly in a room, they can produce a "holographic sound stage" (I quote.) They are also reckoned to be excellent for reproducing acoustic instruments, the human voice, jazz and classical music, but lacking bass to make much of rock or electric blues. But they are reckoned to be razor sharp with transients making up for what they lack in bass drive and dynamics. Indeed, it has always been said that they failed in the US because the American taste in hi fi, if compared with the UK in particular, is for heavy bass, power, and dynamics, whereas the UK hi fi listener is supposed to prefer a subtler sound. Thus, minimalist amplifiers (i.e. no tone controls, no balance control, definitely no graphic equalisers or DBX expanders) became de rigger in the UK (e.g. Naim) whilst the US market was still full of amps and accessories with all the gizmos for altering the sound. Quad is one of the few UK makers to retain tone controls throughout its history, although the tone control is defeatable. Similarly, many Japanese items of equipment - esp. CD players, amps and, I understand, cassette recorders, have been (and still are) "tuned" to suit the UK market "ear". I am told the difference is that the UK "sound" is for something dry and neutral, rather than "fruity". (Me? Well, the facts speak for themselves ... I have a Quad 44 pre-amp with two Quad 405 power amps and I have a 1960's (?) USA-made slightly modified Eico ST70 integrated tube amp, for which the tone controls are NOT defeatable (without doing some re-wiring.) I also use the tone controls, esp. when I am playing 78's, to compensate for the different equalisation settings that some of the old 78's were then recorded. But then, non-Brits keep telling me I'm unlike most Brits they've ever met ... not sure if that's a compliment, though !!!) 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 23:19:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:19:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, I listened to every speaker in the Martin Logan line up to $10,000 a couple of years ago (same day, same system, same room) and the only one that impressed me was the CLS IIZ. And even that speaker has major weaknesses. Martin Logan does a TERRIBLE job of integrating the sound of their woofers and panels! It's not that the woofers aren't fast enough. They are. It's just that mounted in an acoustic suspension cabinet, they don't stop fast enough and you ears pick up on all the bloated, sloppy bass. Also, their crossover points are too low for the panels. I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology for electrostats. On the contrary, it is because of an electrostats directionality that they do NOT offer a diffuse soundfield. Sound staging is very large but image size and specificity is very controlled. This very dependent on the recording though. The speakers reveal everything. If the recording engineer adds too much artificial reverberation or doesn't place the microphones properly, in respect to each other, a huge diffuse soundfield is exactly what you get. If you don't believe me, try this. Find a recording made of simply arranged music, maybe just a couple of musicians, recorded in a small room with no artificial reverberation and compare it on a CORRECTLY SET UP pair of electrostats vs your favorite monopoles. I guarantee that the electrostats will shock with the amount of image specificity that they offer. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Jim, > > I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround > speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this > usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: > there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where > the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This > is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in > a main speaker. > > As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but > (depending on room acoustics and listener position) > present to some degree in all but very specific points > in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of > large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small > exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very > specific locations are the two speakers in the correct > phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. > > I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at > least, those I know) are extremely fond of their > speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the > transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my > personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their > strength. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > > > but I don't really care. > > > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > > recommendations. > > > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > > > a > > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 17 23:28:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:28:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles References: <000a01c0df16$65d36040$fddb883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B04426F.8FBA6B5C@earthlink.net> Graham, Are you referring to my favorite home speakers or control room monitors? Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim > > Forgive me for asking if you've already stated this, but as a recording > engineer, what are your favourite make/model of speakers? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 17 May 2001 21:09 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles > > I think you're referring to bi-directional or "figure-eight" > microphones. I've never heard them referred to as bipolar. But then > again, I didn't begin my work as a recording engineer until 1985 do > maybe the older guys called these mics by a different name. > > Nevertheless, bipolar speakers are usually dynamic speakers that have > similar drivers that operate over the same frequency range mounted on > the front and rear of the speakers cabinet. They are connected > electrically in phase with each other and operated acoustically in phase > in the room. Dipole speakers on the other hand typically have two > drivers that mounted front and back that operate over the same frequency > range but are connected out of phase with each other, or have a single > driver that is open both front and back, that presents an out of phase > wavefront into the room. > > The advantage of dipole speakers is that they are line source speakers > with no vertical dispersion and very little side dispersion (the out of > phase wavefront cancels to the sides) so most of the sound is directed > at the listener and not off the nearby walls, ceiling and floor. Result? > You hear more of the recording and less of the room. > > Regarding, "backwave cancellation effects", it's mostly an issue with > smaller fullrange or hybrid electrostats with lowish crossover > frequencies (250 Hz or lower). With larger panels the cancellation > happens at frequencies below 100 Hz, a good thing in most rooms. In > hybrid electrostats with smaller panels and higher crossover > frequencies, the panel is crossed over at frequency so that the > cancellation is never an issue. > > Regardless, dipole speakers are finicky about speaker placement but > reward their owner with fabulous sound. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 00:54:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:54:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01c501c0df24$49bc5570$bb863604@D9569601> But have you auditioned Soundlab statics? Try them with a correct amp as you might be pleasantly surprised (although your account will not). Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > Hi Ron, > > I listened to every speaker in the Martin Logan line up to $10,000 a > couple of years ago (same day, same system, same room) and the only one > that impressed me was the CLS IIZ. And even that speaker has major > weaknesses. Martin Logan does a TERRIBLE job of integrating the sound of > their woofers and panels! It's not that the woofers aren't fast enough. > They are. It's just that mounted in an acoustic suspension cabinet, they > don't stop fast enough and you ears pick up on all the bloated, sloppy > bass. Also, their crossover points are too low for the panels. > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology > for electrostats. > > On the contrary, it is because of an electrostats directionality that > they do NOT offer a diffuse soundfield. Sound staging is very large but > image size and specificity is very controlled. This very dependent on > the recording though. The speakers reveal everything. If the recording > engineer adds too much artificial reverberation or doesn't place the > microphones properly, in respect to each other, a huge diffuse > soundfield is exactly what you get. > > If you don't believe me, try this. Find a recording made of simply > arranged music, maybe just a couple of musicians, recorded in a small > room with no artificial reverberation and compare it on a CORRECTLY SET > UP pair of electrostats vs your favorite monopoles. I guarantee that the > electrostats will shock with the amount of image specificity that they > offer. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround > > speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this > > usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: > > there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where > > the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This > > is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in > > a main speaker. > > > > As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but > > (depending on room acoustics and listener position) > > present to some degree in all but very specific points > > in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of > > large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small > > exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very > > specific locations are the two speakers in the correct > > phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. > > > > I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at > > least, those I know) are extremely fond of their > > speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the > > transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my > > personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their > > strength. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > > > > but I don't really care. > > > > > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > > > recommendations. > > > > > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > > > > a > > > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 01:13:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:13:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <01c501c0df24$49bc5570$bb863604@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B045AFC.9DFBCEA7@earthlink.net> I think this question was for Ron, not me. Personally, I love Sound Labs. Only problem is that they are huge and require an equally large listening room. Small to medium sized rooms need not apply. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > But have you auditioned Soundlab statics? Try them with a correct amp as > you might be pleasantly surprised (although your account will not). > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri May 18 01:26:38 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:26:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dipole speaker placement In-Reply-To: <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have dipolar ribbon speakers....and have tried many different'room placement' positions. Currently, the speakers sit 3 feet from the back wall and 2 feet from the side walls (I also have sound deadening material behind the dipoles on the wall...the speakers are 6 foot tall). They have about 5 feet between them. The room is a rectangle. Is this placement good? What I am experiencing is that different cd's or tapes sound either good or bad. Some music, like hard rock, sounds like crap. Classical music, and music with string instruments (banjo's, violins, guitar, oboe, mandolin, etc) sound absolutley superb...as if they were in the room. I was listening to an "Old and in the Way" disc by Jerry Garcia et al...and the stringed instruments sounded incredible...they were jumping out of the ribbon's at me. How can I be getting this huge of a variance? Alex > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > for two to enjoy side by side. > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 01:30:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:30:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <01c501c0df24$49bc5570$bb863604@D9569601> <3B045AFC.9DFBCEA7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03c701c0df29$50b44ae0$bb863604@D9569601> like so many speakers....klipschorns can sound nice, too, if one has the complete corners and a room that can extend the horns' response. Ugly, though; the ls3/5a's and an audio note tube amp work for playing back my bootleg DATs via the pc. Regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > I think this question was for Ron, not me. > > Personally, I love Sound Labs. Only problem is that they are huge and > require an equally large listening room. Small to medium sized rooms > need not apply. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > But have you auditioned Soundlab statics? Try them with a correct amp as > > you might be pleasantly surprised (although your account will not). > > > > Carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri May 18 01:31:45 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:31:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c0df29$89b5a550$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology > for electrostats. Hearing is believing! The British Quad 63 ESL is still a very good loudspeaker. Some of the best mics/casettedecks/autocars are "old" The low mass of membrame gives unique transient response and a very good positioning of instruments. And, of course, is has the "Z-axis" Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 01:49:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:49:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dipole speaker placement References: Message-ID: <3B04638B.FCA65D24@earthlink.net> Hi Alex, It's difficult to generalize about speaker placement although your speaker set up sounds reasonable. I use a MLSSA system to analyze room acoustics and speaker and listening positions and then do final tweaking by ear. It sounds to me like you have a very good system. But having a very accurate system can cut both ways. A very good recording will sound great but a bad one will make you want to turn your system off. A system that makes recordings sound similarly good is also a system that is putting it's own sonic signature on everything you hear. There is an old argument in our hobby regarding whether one prefers an accurate system or a "musical" one. One must choose what brings him the most listening enjoyment. Jim Volpatti Alex Cagann wrote: > > I have dipolar ribbon speakers....and have tried many different'room > placement' positions. Currently, the speakers sit 3 feet from the back wall > and 2 feet from the side walls (I also have sound deadening material behind > the dipoles on the wall...the speakers are 6 foot tall). They have about 5 > feet between them. The room is a rectangle. Is this placement good? What > I am experiencing is that different cd's or tapes sound either good or bad. > Some music, like hard rock, sounds like crap. Classical music, and music > with string instruments (banjo's, violins, guitar, oboe, mandolin, etc) > sound absolutley superb...as if they were in the room. I was listening to > an "Old and in the Way" disc by Jerry Garcia et al...and the stringed > instruments sounded incredible...they were jumping out of the ribbon's at > me. How can I be getting this huge of a variance? > > Alex > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 01:53:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:53:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <000f01c0df29$89b5a550$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3B046488.27DA00E7@earthlink.net> As good as the old Quads are, I know they have significant weaknesses too. Some of the new electrostats have worked around these limitations while preserving their best attributes. Jim Volpatti Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing > that > > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's > technology > > for electrostats. > > Hearing is believing! The British Quad 63 ESL is still a very good > loudspeaker. > Some of the best mics/casettedecks/autocars are "old" > The low mass of membrame gives unique transient response and a very > good positioning of instruments. > And, of course, is has the "Z-axis" > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri May 18 02:33:11 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:33:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dipole speaker placement In-Reply-To: <3B04638B.FCA65D24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, thanks for the input. Yes...every single cd or tape sounds completely different with respect to 'sound quality'. Some music, I can't even stand hearing for more than a few seconds...lot of high frequency coloration and distortion (cymbals sound like a synthesizer)...other recordings are absolutely beautiful in every way/shape/form. What I like about the ribbon dipole speaker is the clarity on the midrange. I have heard expensive B&W's, Wilson Watt, etc...and ribbons just seem to have this sound I can't describe. By the way....against everyone's advice, I am bidding on a Nakamichi OMS7II ( I did look at the Rega units and just can't spend the dough on one right now....perhaps down the road). The reason I am bidding on it is the seller claims the unit has been totally repaired by Nakamichi, and this includes a brand new laser. I can't resist the temptation to get a Nak cd player and try it out. Stephen has said this is a great sounding player, and with the new laser and tune up, I feel this may be worth betting on. I had the seller fax me a copy of the repair receipt...it was for over $300. Alex > Hi Alex, > > It's difficult to generalize about speaker placement although your > speaker set up sounds reasonable. I use a MLSSA system to analyze room > acoustics and speaker and listening positions and then do final tweaking > by ear. > > It sounds to me like you have a very good system. But having a very > accurate system can cut both ways. A very good recording will sound > great but a bad one will make you want to turn your system off. A system > that makes recordings sound similarly good is also a system that is > putting it's own sonic signature on everything you hear. There is an old > argument in our hobby regarding whether one prefers an accurate system > or a "musical" one. One must choose what brings him the most listening > enjoyment. > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The manual warns against fiddling with these adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments to the PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one adjustment shouldn't be a prolem. Please let me know what you think. - Joe P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 18 02:44:28 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth In-Reply-To: <20010517.203523.-282967.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <20010518004428.25694.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Joe, I have the service manual for that deck. I'll contact you off NAKTALK with a link. SJ --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly > superb condition. > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on > this deck. In > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback > head adjustment > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary > for tapes you > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto > azimuth. However, not > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In > fact, many of them were > recorded on other decks that were not aligned > properly. > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment > underneath the plastic > cover on the door. The manual warns against > fiddling with these > adjustments (which also include head height and > things like that). > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor > adjustments to the > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that > one adjustment > shouldn't be a prolem. > > Please let me know what you think. > > - Joe > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this > deck??? > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 02:45:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:45:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dipole speaker placement References: Message-ID: <3B04709B.F5568BE6@earthlink.net> Good luck on the bid, Alex. By the way, do you own a CD player now? If so, which one? Jim Volpatti Alex Cagann wrote: > > Jim, thanks for the input. Yes...every single cd or tape sounds completely > different with respect to 'sound quality'. Some music, I can't even stand > hearing for more than a few seconds...lot of high frequency coloration and > distortion (cymbals sound like a synthesizer)...other recordings are > absolutely beautiful in every way/shape/form. What I like about the ribbon > dipole speaker is the clarity on the midrange. I have heard expensive > B&W's, Wilson Watt, etc...and ribbons just seem to have this sound I can't > describe. > > By the way....against everyone's advice, I am bidding on a Nakamichi OMS7II > ( I did look at the Rega units and just can't spend the dough on one right > now....perhaps down the road). The reason I am bidding on it is the seller > claims the unit has been totally repaired by Nakamichi, and this includes a > brand new laser. I can't resist the temptation to get a Nak cd player and > try it out. Stephen has said this is a great sounding player, and with the > new laser and tune up, I feel this may be worth betting on. I had the > seller fax me a copy of the repair receipt...it was for over $300. > > Alex > > > Hi Alex, > > > > It's difficult to generalize about speaker placement although your > > speaker set up sounds reasonable. I use a MLSSA system to analyze room > > acoustics and speaker and listening positions and then do final tweaking > > by ear. > > > > It sounds to me like you have a very good system. But having a very > > accurate system can cut both ways. A very good recording will sound > > great but a bad one will make you want to turn your system off. A system > > that makes recordings sound similarly good is also a system that is > > putting it's own sonic signature on everything you hear. There is an old > > argument in our hobby regarding whether one prefers an accurate system > > or a "musical" one. One must choose what brings him the most listening > > enjoyment. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri May 18 03:19:19 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:19:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dipole speaker placement In-Reply-To: <3B04709B.F5568BE6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have an old Kenwood 3080, I think that's the number. I bought a Carver SD/A490T vacuum tube output player at a local shop for $250 and sold it on ebay for $530. I liked it...sounded better than the Kenwood...but not great. I opened it up and looked inside....nothing spectacular for sure. Not something I wanted to hold on to. Alex > Good luck on the bid, Alex. By the way, do you own a CD player now? If > so, which one? > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 03:29:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.203523.-282967.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c0df39$f0aeeea0$933442cf@sank1> The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth alignment tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO have user Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the head to reference position. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > Hi guys, > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb condition. > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. In > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head adjustment > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, not > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of them were > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the plastic > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments to the > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one adjustment > shouldn't be a prolem. > > Please let me know what you think. > > - Joe > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 03:38:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:38:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00d701c0df3b$3d3dd1e0$933442cf@sank1> The big difference, besides the obvious, between planar speakers & bipolar microphones(and, yes, this is the proper term for a figure-8 pattern, gradient velocity microphone) is that with a microphone, the sound stops there. With a speaker, the backwave keeps bouncing around the room, creating vast numbers of phase cancellation nodes at every frequency & at every listening position. The "sweet spot" is simply where you have the least of these nodes & the most direct sound from the front of the radiator. You also have severe cancellation effects in the upper frequencies at every off-axis listening position, due to the "line source array" effect of the tall & wide radiator surface. Curved panels only partially reduce this effect. All of this leads to why I said that the "z-axis" is artificially created by planars, since all of this phase cancellation messes around with the perception of depth by a pair of ears. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > Hi Ron, > > I listened to every speaker in the Martin Logan line up to $10,000 a > couple of years ago (same day, same system, same room) and the only one > that impressed me was the CLS IIZ. And even that speaker has major > weaknesses. Martin Logan does a TERRIBLE job of integrating the sound of > their woofers and panels! It's not that the woofers aren't fast enough. > They are. It's just that mounted in an acoustic suspension cabinet, they > don't stop fast enough and you ears pick up on all the bloated, sloppy > bass. Also, their crossover points are too low for the panels. > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology > for electrostats. > > On the contrary, it is because of an electrostats directionality that > they do NOT offer a diffuse soundfield. Sound staging is very large but > image size and specificity is very controlled. This very dependent on > the recording though. The speakers reveal everything. If the recording > engineer adds too much artificial reverberation or doesn't place the > microphones properly, in respect to each other, a huge diffuse > soundfield is exactly what you get. > > If you don't believe me, try this. Find a recording made of simply > arranged music, maybe just a couple of musicians, recorded in a small > room with no artificial reverberation and compare it on a CORRECTLY SET > UP pair of electrostats vs your favorite monopoles. I guarantee that the > electrostats will shock with the amount of image specificity that they > offer. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround > > speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this > > usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: > > there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where > > the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This > > is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in > > a main speaker. > > > > As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but > > (depending on room acoustics and listener position) > > present to some degree in all but very specific points > > in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of > > large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small > > exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very > > specific locations are the two speakers in the correct > > phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. > > > > I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at > > least, those I know) are extremely fond of their > > speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the > > transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my > > personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their > > strength. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up dipole > > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a very > > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, because > > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm transducer with > > > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & other > > > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that point, > > > > > but I don't really care. > > > > > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation artifacts. I think > > > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues of > > > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, and he said > > > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god forbid he moves > > > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > > > recommendations. > > > > > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", just like > > > > > a > > > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any tube-less > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give you Z-axis > > > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri May 18 03:37:05 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:37:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth Message-ID: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> Really? I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it where it sounds clearet. How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) - Joe On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth > alignment > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO > have user > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the > head to > reference position. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > condition. > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. > In > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > adjustment > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, > not > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of > them were > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the > plastic > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments > to the > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > adjustment > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 04:04:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:04:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <00d701c0df3b$3d3dd1e0$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B04832F.6A51341A@earthlink.net> These cancellations happen mostly to the sides and above and below a dipole speaker. If they happened at every listening position and at every frequency it would be impossible to achieve a reasonably flat frequency response. As long as the listener is on axis, equidistant from both speaker and at a reasonable distance (over 7') from the speaker, electrostats sound superior. I've achieved 30 Hz - 17 kHz +/- 2.5 dB in my room with no equalization. The impulse response and time/energy/frequency measurements are better than any dynamic monopole that I have EVER measured. By the way, curved panels (Martin Logan) only serve to broaden the dispersion and worsen the direct to reflected soundwave ratio. It's simple. If you want to hear more of the recording and less of the room, you need a narrow dispersion speaker. None are more narrow than a flat panel electrostat. Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The big difference, besides the obvious, between planar speakers & bipolar > microphones(and, yes, this is the proper term for a figure-8 pattern, > gradient velocity microphone) is that with a microphone, the sound stops > there. With a speaker, the backwave keeps bouncing around the room, > creating vast numbers of phase cancellation nodes at every frequency & at > every listening position. The "sweet spot" is simply where you have the > least of these nodes & the most direct sound from the front of the radiator. > You also have severe cancellation effects in the upper frequencies at every > off-axis listening position, due to the "line source array" effect of the > tall & wide radiator surface. Curved panels only partially reduce this > effect. > All of this leads to why I said that the "z-axis" is artificially created by > planars, since all of this phase cancellation messes around with the > perception of depth by a pair of ears. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I listened to every speaker in the Martin Logan line up to $10,000 a > > couple of years ago (same day, same system, same room) and the only one > > that impressed me was the CLS IIZ. And even that speaker has major > > weaknesses. Martin Logan does a TERRIBLE job of integrating the sound of > > their woofers and panels! It's not that the woofers aren't fast enough. > > They are. It's just that mounted in an acoustic suspension cabinet, they > > don't stop fast enough and you ears pick up on all the bloated, sloppy > > bass. Also, their crossover points are too low for the panels. > > > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that > > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology > > for electrostats. > > > > On the contrary, it is because of an electrostats directionality that > > they do NOT offer a diffuse soundfield. Sound staging is very large but > > image size and specificity is very controlled. This very dependent on > > the recording though. The speakers reveal everything. If the recording > > engineer adds too much artificial reverberation or doesn't place the > > microphones properly, in respect to each other, a huge diffuse > > soundfield is exactly what you get. > > > > If you don't believe me, try this. Find a recording made of simply > > arranged music, maybe just a couple of musicians, recorded in a small > > room with no artificial reverberation and compare it on a CORRECTLY SET > > UP pair of electrostats vs your favorite monopoles. I guarantee that the > > electrostats will shock with the amount of image specificity that they > > offer. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround > > > speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this > > > usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: > > > there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where > > > the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This > > > is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in > > > a main speaker. > > > > > > As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but > > > (depending on room acoustics and listener position) > > > present to some degree in all but very specific points > > > in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of > > > large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small > > > exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very > > > specific locations are the two speakers in the correct > > > phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. > > > > > > I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at > > > least, those I know) are extremely fond of their > > > speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the > > > transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my > > > personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their > > > strength. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up > dipole > > > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a > very > > > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, > because > > > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm > transducer with > > > > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & > other > > > > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that > point, > > > > > > but I don't really care. > > > > > > > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > > > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > > > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > > > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > > > > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > > > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > > > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > > > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation > artifacts. I think > > > > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues > of > > > > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, > and he said > > > > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god > forbid he moves > > > > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > > > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > > > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > > > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > > > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > > > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > > > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > > > > recommendations. > > > > > > > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > > > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > > > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > > > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > > > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > > > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > > > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > > > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", > just like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any > tube-less > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give > you Z-axis > > > > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 04:13:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:13:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <00f201c0df40$1f69c3e0$933442cf@sank1> Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head accurately is with test gear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > Really? > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it > where it sounds clearet. > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) > > - Joe > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth > > alignment > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO > > have user > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the > > head to > > reference position. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > condition. > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. > > In > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > adjustment > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, > > not > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of > > them were > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the > > plastic > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments > > to the > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > adjustment > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 04:21:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:21:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] monopoles vs dipoles References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <00d701c0df3b$3d3dd1e0$933442cf@sank1> <3B04832F.6A51341A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B048741.4A68476B@earthlink.net> By the way, it is true that monopoles typically have superior off axis frequency response. The problem is that the off axis and reflected sound of a monopole is magnitudes higher in level and confuses the ear as it arrives just just milliseconds after the direct sound. The off axis wavefront of a dipole is SO much lower that it really doesn't matter if it measures flat or not. Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > > These cancellations happen mostly to the sides and above and below a > dipole speaker. If they happened at every listening position and at > every frequency it would be impossible to achieve a reasonably flat > frequency response. As long as the listener is on axis, equidistant from > both speaker and at a reasonable distance (over 7') from the speaker, > electrostats sound superior. I've achieved 30 Hz - 17 kHz +/- 2.5 dB in > my room with no equalization. The impulse response and > time/energy/frequency measurements are better than any dynamic monopole > that I have EVER measured. > > By the way, curved panels (Martin Logan) only serve to broaden the > dispersion and worsen the direct to reflected soundwave ratio. It's > simple. If you want to hear more of the recording and less of the room, > you need a narrow dispersion speaker. None are more narrow than a flat > panel electrostat. > > Jim Volpatti > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The big difference, besides the obvious, between planar speakers & bipolar > > microphones(and, yes, this is the proper term for a figure-8 pattern, > > gradient velocity microphone) is that with a microphone, the sound stops > > there. With a speaker, the backwave keeps bouncing around the room, > > creating vast numbers of phase cancellation nodes at every frequency & at > > every listening position. The "sweet spot" is simply where you have the > > least of these nodes & the most direct sound from the front of the radiator. > > You also have severe cancellation effects in the upper frequencies at every > > off-axis listening position, due to the "line source array" effect of the > > tall & wide radiator surface. Curved panels only partially reduce this > > effect. > > All of this leads to why I said that the "z-axis" is artificially created by > > planars, since all of this phase cancellation messes around with the > > perception of depth by a pair of ears. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > I listened to every speaker in the Martin Logan line up to $10,000 a > > > couple of years ago (same day, same system, same room) and the only one > > > that impressed me was the CLS IIZ. And even that speaker has major > > > weaknesses. Martin Logan does a TERRIBLE job of integrating the sound of > > > their woofers and panels! It's not that the woofers aren't fast enough. > > > They are. It's just that mounted in an acoustic suspension cabinet, they > > > don't stop fast enough and you ears pick up on all the bloated, sloppy > > > bass. Also, their crossover points are too low for the panels. > > > > > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time believing that > > > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's technology > > > for electrostats. > > > > > > On the contrary, it is because of an electrostats directionality that > > > they do NOT offer a diffuse soundfield. Sound staging is very large but > > > image size and specificity is very controlled. This very dependent on > > > the recording though. The speakers reveal everything. If the recording > > > engineer adds too much artificial reverberation or doesn't place the > > > microphones properly, in respect to each other, a huge diffuse > > > soundfield is exactly what you get. > > > > > > If you don't believe me, try this. Find a recording made of simply > > > arranged music, maybe just a couple of musicians, recorded in a small > > > room with no artificial reverberation and compare it on a CORRECTLY SET > > > UP pair of electrostats vs your favorite monopoles. I guarantee that the > > > electrostats will shock with the amount of image specificity that they > > > offer. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > I was talking about dipoles in the context of surround > > > > speakers, where the listener is way off axis. In this > > > > usage, it's easy to understand why they sound diffuse: > > > > there is a complete null at 90 degrees off axis, where > > > > the correct placement for a surround speaker is. This > > > > is desirable in an effects speaker, but by no means in > > > > a main speaker. > > > > > > > > As a main speaker, the effect is far smaller, but > > > > (depending on room acoustics and listener position) > > > > present to some degree in all but very specific points > > > > in the listening area. To me, this is the downfall of > > > > large electrostatic speakers. The sweet spot is small > > > > exactly because of that sound diffusion: only in very > > > > specific locations are the two speakers in the correct > > > > phase relationship to recreate the recorded sound stage. > > > > > > > > I am well aware that Quad and Martin Logan owners (at > > > > least, those I know) are extremely fond of their > > > > speakers. There's certainly a lot to be said for the > > > > transparency of electrostatics. It's just that my > > > > personal feeling is that stereo staging is not their > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, I don't know why any dipole would have a reputation of sounding > > > > > diffuse. Go to a high end store and compare any correctly set up > > dipole > > > > > to a monopole and you'll hear what I'm talking about. And if you don't > > > > > trust your ears, just take a look at any polar response measurement of > > > > > the two. You'll see that a monopole's dispersion is well over 180 > > > > > degrees, while a dipoles (depending on the design) can look like a > > very > > > > > slim, long figure eight. My speakers have flat electrostatic panels so > > > > > they are about as directional as they come. By the way, how could a > > > > > speaker with a "diffuse" sounding dipole speaker possibly have a small > > > > > sweet spot? Dipoles do of course have offer a small sweet spots, > > because > > > > > of their narrow directionality, especially mine, but it is wide enough > > > > > for two to enjoy side by side. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In microphone land here, "bipolar" applies to a diaphragm > > transducer with > > > > > > > front & back exposed, so that is how I think of electrostats & > > other > > > > > > > planars. There seems to be some confusion in speaker land on that > > point, > > > > > > > but I don't really care. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as usage for home theater, THX specs are > > > > > > quite clear: the back wave of bipolar speakers is > > > > > > IN phase with the front wave. In dipole speakers, > > > > > > it is OUT of phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > With this definition in mind, *all* single driver > > > > > > open back speakers are dipoles. It takes at least > > > > > > two enclosed drivers to produce bipolar radiation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > My problem with planar speakers is backwave cancellation > > artifacts. I think > > > > > > > it is a much more difficult problem to deal with than the issues > > of > > > > > > > monopoles. I have a friend who has Apogee Diva ribbon speakers, > > and he said > > > > > > > it took two years to get them placed exactly right. And god > > forbid he moves > > > > > > > one stick of furniture in the room! > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly why dipoles are spec'ed for Dolby > > > > > > surround speakers. They produce a diffuse sound > > > > > > field with little or no apparent source location. > > > > > > For Dolby Digital (DD 5.1), bipolar pattern (that > > > > > > do produce directionality, sort of) is considered > > > > > > better. Many people prefer monopoles (direct > > > > > > radiating speakers), in spite of current wisdom > > > > > > recommendations. > > > > > > > > > > > > For main speakers, I don't see why anyone would > > > > > > want dipole speakers. The last time I listened to > > > > > > the Quad electrostatic speakers was a good 30 years > > > > > > ago (how time flies when one is having fun...). I > > > > > > never felt the urge to repeat the experience. It > > > > > > was extremely difficult to generate a viable sound > > > > > > stage, and even then, the sweet spot was tiny. But, > > > > > > they sounded great on mono... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:38 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I thought the Quads were dipoles. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never understood the supposed advantage of bipolars anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Quads & other bipolars give you artificial "z-axis", > > just like > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > "sonic holography" processor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Maurits" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > doubt that I have never, without exception, heard any > > tube-less > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > present the "Z axis", i.e., depth & forwardness of image, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try a Quad set with electrostatic loudspeakers, they give > > you Z-axis > > > > > > > > > > without tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 18 04:22:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:22:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> <00f201c0df40$1f69c3e0$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B048770.99812DC5@earthlink.net> I agree, Stephen. Especially at high frequencies. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head accurately > is with test gear. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > Really? > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth > > > alignment > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO > > > have user > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the > > > head to > > > reference position. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > > condition. > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. > > > In > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > adjustment > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, > > > not > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of > > > them were > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the > > > plastic > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments > > > to the > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > adjustment > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri May 18 04:42:59 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:42:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <3B038033.D804ED13@sunint.co.za> <000701c0dee4$51cef000$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B048C33.3FD6D856@telcel.net.ve> Stephen I would like to know something: an Aiwa 770 in excellent shape is worth US$100. Wouls you buy it??? Thanks Isy Stephen Sank wrote: > You are completely correct in your Aiwa history, Marc. It was all downhill > after the AD-F990/770/660/330/220 decks of around 1984 or 85. The F220, a > soft-touch mechanism, was the cheapest cassette deck, just about ever, at > $129, to offer genuinely entry level "high end" performance & durability. I > bought one in amazing condition a month or so ago on ebay really cheap, just > 'cause I couldn't resist, due to my fondness for them. Anybody need a dirt > cheap, nice deck? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > > > Hi Ron: > > > > I know the AD-F850 quite well, it was a development of the AD-F810, and is > as you > > described. However, as far as I remember the AD-F990 was a very different > creature > > from a different era (1984-1987 is when I saw them). It's siblings were > the AD-F660, > > AD-F770, AD-F880, all of which were three head, dual capstan decks with > the > > characteristic, 'bottom lip' control panels and a continuous head > de-magnetising > > system. > > > > The much later (mid-nineties) AD-F850, and slightly later > AD-F750S/AD-F950S were > > adequate decks in their own right and very good value for money. But the > AD-F950S > > cannot be mistaken for an AD-F990. Cheaper integrated Dolby S chips had > by that time > > been produced by Sony, for their TCK-511S/611S units. They (the 1991-1997 > Aiwas) did > > however sport significant compromises in heads and circuitry compared with > the 'heyday' > > mid-eighties Aiwa decks. Note the build standards - mid-eighties Aiwas > were all-steel > > fabrication. The 90's models are formed metal fascias with plastic > everywhere else. > > > > I recall Stephen Sank mentioning that once Aiwa was reabsorbed by parent > company Sony > > at some point (early nineties, I think) they lost the autonomy that > enabled them to > > build (relatively) serious hardware. I believe the XK-9000S/7000S may > have been good > > (early nineties) but have never heard one. > > > > Whilst relieving a lady of a Nakamichi last November, she asked which > machine I would > > recommend keeping - an Aiwa AD-F660 or a Yamaha KX-390. I think she got > the drift when > > I offered to purchase the Aiwa as well. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > I had an Aiwa AD-F850, which was deck below the AD-F990, but it was > still a > > > very good deck for the money. I picked it up from J&R Music World in > NYC > > > for their close-out price of $129.00 in the early 1990's!! 3 heads, dual > > > capstan, wireless remote (included) +++ It was a great deal. I > believe > > > the big difference between the two decks was that the 990 had Dolby S, > > > whereas my deck had B & C, as well as HX PRO. > > > > > > One thing that annoyed me about the deck (and perhaps the 990 has the > same > > > system) was the clicking noises it would make when you first put a tape > in > > > the well and closed the door. They have this stabilizing mechanism > which > > > holds the tape firmly in place. While I'm sure that's a good thing, it > was > > > annoying. A small price to pay for the good value it offered, and very > good > > > sound. But other than that, it was a great deck. I gave it to a friend, > and > > > he is still enjoying it. > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri May 18 04:34:57 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:34:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth Message-ID: <20010517.223833.-282967.14.josephj69@juno.com> Hey guys, I was just kidding . . . However, on poorly recorded tapes, I can certainly get better azimuth by ear than I can by just leaving it as is. I realize that the PB head has a wider gap to facilitate just this problem, but it's not going to cover it for all tapes. You would think Nak would have had this in mind when they designed these decks. The other problem I have is that since the deck is used, I really have no way of knowing whether or not it is aligned properly NOW. I know it sounds better than my 480Z did. I guess my question is, can I permanently break anything by fiddling with the PB azimuth control? Especially considering that it may be off right now anyway? I just got the service manual (THANKS SCOTT), and the manual lists the azimuth as the LAST adjustment that should be made to the deck. For that reason, I'm assuming that playing with the azimuth on this deck will not screw up any of the other adjustments. Is my logic sound? Thanks again for the input guys, Joe On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:22:40 -0700 Jim Volpatti writes: > > I agree, Stephen. Especially at high frequencies. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head > accurately > > is with test gear. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > Really? > > > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble > and get it > > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? > :) > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > > writes: > > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a > critical > > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate > azimuth > > > > alignment > > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that > DO > > > > have user > > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning > the > > > > head to > > > > reference position. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this > deck. > > > > In > > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > > adjustment > > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for > tapes you > > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. > However, > > > > not > > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many > of > > > > them were > > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath > the > > > > plastic > > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with > these > > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like > that). > > > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor > adjustments > > > > to the > > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > > adjustment > > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. 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Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 05:08:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:08:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <3B038033.D804ED13@sunint.co.za> <000701c0dee4$51cef000$933442cf@sank1> <3B048C33.3FD6D856@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <012d01c0df47$cf2bcc40$933442cf@sank1> Given the money to spare, I would find a MINT AD-F770 somewhat tempting, if it was guaranteed to have less than 500 hours on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > Stephen I would like to know something: an Aiwa 770 in excellent shape is worth US$100. > Wouls you buy it??? > Thanks > > Isy > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > You are completely correct in your Aiwa history, Marc. It was all downhill > > after the AD-F990/770/660/330/220 decks of around 1984 or 85. The F220, a > > soft-touch mechanism, was the cheapest cassette deck, just about ever, at > > $129, to offer genuinely entry level "high end" performance & durability. I > > bought one in amazing condition a month or so ago on ebay really cheap, just > > 'cause I couldn't resist, due to my fondness for them. Anybody need a dirt > > cheap, nice deck? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > > > > > Hi Ron: > > > > > > I know the AD-F850 quite well, it was a development of the AD-F810, and is > > as you > > > described. However, as far as I remember the AD-F990 was a very different > > creature > > > from a different era (1984-1987 is when I saw them). It's siblings were > > the AD-F660, > > > AD-F770, AD-F880, all of which were three head, dual capstan decks with > > the > > > characteristic, 'bottom lip' control panels and a continuous head > > de-magnetising > > > system. > > > > > > The much later (mid-nineties) AD-F850, and slightly later > > AD-F750S/AD-F950S were > > > adequate decks in their own right and very good value for money. But the > > AD-F950S > > > cannot be mistaken for an AD-F990. Cheaper integrated Dolby S chips had > > by that time > > > been produced by Sony, for their TCK-511S/611S units. They (the 1991-1997 > > Aiwas) did > > > however sport significant compromises in heads and circuitry compared with > > the 'heyday' > > > mid-eighties Aiwa decks. Note the build standards - mid-eighties Aiwas > > were all-steel > > > fabrication. The 90's models are formed metal fascias with plastic > > everywhere else. > > > > > > I recall Stephen Sank mentioning that once Aiwa was reabsorbed by parent > > company Sony > > > at some point (early nineties, I think) they lost the autonomy that > > enabled them to > > > build (relatively) serious hardware. I believe the XK-9000S/7000S may > > have been good > > > (early nineties) but have never heard one. > > > > > > Whilst relieving a lady of a Nakamichi last November, she asked which > > machine I would > > > recommend keeping - an Aiwa AD-F660 or a Yamaha KX-390. I think she got > > the drift when > > > I offered to purchase the Aiwa as well. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > I had an Aiwa AD-F850, which was deck below the AD-F990, but it was > > still a > > > > very good deck for the money. I picked it up from J&R Music World in > > NYC > > > > for their close-out price of $129.00 in the early 1990's!! 3 heads, dual > > > > capstan, wireless remote (included) +++ It was a great deal. I > > believe > > > > the big difference between the two decks was that the 990 had Dolby S, > > > > whereas my deck had B & C, as well as HX PRO. > > > > > > > > One thing that annoyed me about the deck (and perhaps the 990 has the > > same > > > > system) was the clicking noises it would make when you first put a tape > > in > > > > the well and closed the door. They have this stabilizing mechanism > > which > > > > holds the tape firmly in place. While I'm sure that's a good thing, it > > was > > > > annoying. A small price to pay for the good value it offered, and very > > good > > > > sound. But other than that, it was a great deck. I gave it to a friend, > > and > > > > he is still enjoying it. > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 05:11:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:11:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.223833.-282967.14.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <013301c0df48$2db74a00$933442cf@sank1> Just be sure to touch ONLY the azimuth adjuster(the one just to the right of the head location). If you move the height adjuster, your screwed, without professional help. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > Hey guys, I was just kidding . . . > > However, on poorly recorded tapes, I can certainly get better azimuth by > ear than I can by just leaving it as is. > > I realize that the PB head has a wider gap to facilitate just this > problem, but it's not going to cover it for all tapes. You would think > Nak would have had this in mind when they designed these decks. > > The other problem I have is that since the deck is used, I really have no > way of knowing whether or not it is aligned properly NOW. I know it > sounds better than my 480Z did. > > I guess my question is, can I permanently break anything by fiddling with > the PB azimuth control? Especially considering that it may be off right > now anyway? > > I just got the service manual (THANKS SCOTT), and the manual lists the > azimuth as the LAST adjustment that should be made to the deck. For that > reason, I'm assuming that playing with the azimuth on this deck will not > screw up any of the other adjustments. Is my logic sound? > > > Thanks again for the input guys, > Joe > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:22:40 -0700 Jim Volpatti > writes: > > > > I agree, Stephen. Especially at high frequencies. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head > > accurately > > > is with test gear. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > Really? > > > > > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble > > and get it > > > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? > > :) > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > writes: > > > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a > > critical > > > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate > > azimuth > > > > > alignment > > > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that > > DO > > > > > have user > > > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning > > the > > > > > head to > > > > > reference position. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this > > deck. > > > > > In > > > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > > > adjustment > > > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for > > tapes you > > > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. > > However, > > > > > not > > > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many > > of > > > > > them were > > > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath > > the > > > > > plastic > > > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with > > these > > > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like > > that). > > > > > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor > > adjustments > > > > > to the > > > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > > > adjustment > > > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri May 18 06:13:26 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:13:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth Message-ID: <20010518.001457.-282967.43.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks Steve. That's what I figured. -Joe On Thu, 17 May 2001 21:11:04 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Just be sure to touch ONLY the azimuth adjuster(the one just to the > right of > the head location). If you move the height adjuster, your screwed, > without > professional help. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > Hey guys, I was just kidding . . . > > > > However, on poorly recorded tapes, I can certainly get better > azimuth by > > ear than I can by just leaving it as is. > > > > I realize that the PB head has a wider gap to facilitate just this > > problem, but it's not going to cover it for all tapes. You would > think > > Nak would have had this in mind when they designed these decks. > > > > The other problem I have is that since the deck is used, I really > have no > > way of knowing whether or not it is aligned properly NOW. I know > it > > sounds better than my 480Z did. > > > > I guess my question is, can I permanently break anything by > fiddling with > > the PB azimuth control? Especially considering that it may be off > right > > now anyway? > > > > I just got the service manual (THANKS SCOTT), and the manual lists > the > > azimuth as the LAST adjustment that should be made to the deck. > For that > > reason, I'm assuming that playing with the azimuth on this deck > will not > > screw up any of the other adjustments. Is my logic sound? > > > > > > Thanks again for the input guys, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:22:40 -0700 Jim Volpatti > > > writes: > > > > > > I agree, Stephen. Especially at high frequencies. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb > head > > > accurately > > > > is with test gear. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > Really? > > > > > > > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the > treble > > > and get it > > > > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > > > > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my > ears? > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a > > > critical > > > > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate > > > azimuth > > > > > > alignment > > > > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks > that > > > DO > > > > > > have user > > > > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for > returning > > > the > > > > > > head to > > > > > > reference position. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly > superb > > > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on > this > > > deck. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > > > > adjustment > > > > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for > > > tapes you > > > > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. > > > However, > > > > > > not > > > > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, > many > > > of > > > > > > them were > > > > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment > underneath > > > the > > > > > > plastic > > > > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling > with > > > these > > > > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things > like > > > that). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor > > > adjustments > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > > > > adjustment > > > > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this > deck??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri May 18 07:34:14 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:34:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> <00f201c0df40$1f69c3e0$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B04B44C.A95CE45@snet.net> Now that I'm without my CR7A but still loving the 700II that you went over a while back, what if I were to mark the alignment spot so that I could always return the azimuth to proper calibration. The location and even the look of the adjustment screw on this deck almost begs to be tweaked. Would the calibration point be repeatable or would it drift as you changed azimuth for tapes recorded in different decks? Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head accurately > is with test gear. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > Really? > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth > > > alignment > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO > > > have user > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the > > > head to > > > reference position. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > > condition. > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. > > > In > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > adjustment > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, > > > not > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of > > > them were > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the > > > plastic > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments > > > to the > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > adjustment > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 08:00:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:00:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth References: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> <00f201c0df40$1f69c3e0$933442cf@sank1> <3B04B44C.A95CE45@snet.net> Message-ID: <01a501c0df5f$e25b5f20$933442cf@sank1> The 700 would actually be the worst deck to do that with, since it is a regular screw, rather than a detented nylon screw, so it would be much harder to mark with sufficient precision to be any more accurate than going by ear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > Now that I'm without my CR7A but still loving the 700II that you went over a while > back, what if I were to mark the alignment spot so that I could always return the > azimuth to proper calibration. The location and even the look of the adjustment screw > on this deck almost begs to be tweaked. Would the calibration point be repeatable or > would it drift as you changed azimuth for tapes recorded in different decks? > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head accurately > > is with test gear. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > Really? > > > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it > > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 19:29:09 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > > The reason for no Pb head user adjustment is that it is a critical > > > > adjustment for proper performance & requires an accurate azimuth > > > > alignment > > > > tape & a dual trace oscilloscope to put right. The decks that DO > > > > have user > > > > Pb azimuth adjust have a positive "zero point" for returning the > > > > head to > > > > reference position. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:23 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660zx PB head azimuth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought a 660zx which appears to be in truly superb > > > > condition. > > > > > > > > > > I have a quick question about the PB head azimuth on this deck. > > > > In > > > > > general, I don't understand why Nak left a playback head > > > > adjustment > > > > > control off so many decks. Yes, it's not necessary for tapes you > > > > > recorded on your own Nak if you used the auto azimuth. However, > > > > not > > > > > every tape I play was recorded on my own Nak. In fact, many of > > > > them were > > > > > recorded on other decks that were not aligned properly. > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, the 660zx has a PB head ajustment underneath the > > > > plastic > > > > > cover on the door. The manual warns against fiddling with these > > > > > adjustments (which also include head height and things like that). > > > > > > > > > > However, would it really do any harm if I made minor adjustments > > > > to the > > > > > PB azimuth for each of my tapes? I would think that one > > > > adjustment > > > > > shouldn't be a prolem. > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Does anyone have the Service Manual for this deck??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Fri May 18 08:40:22 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:40:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] PB head azimuth In-Reply-To: <00f201c0df40$1f69c3e0$933442cf@sank1> References: <20010517.214727.-282967.7.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010518020730.02303b30@mail.verizon.net> Unfortunately, with cassettes, "accurately" can be all over the map. If you are playing pre-recorded tapes, for example, there is no guarantee that your heads, even if properly aligned to a reference tape, will be in correct alignment for that tape. If you play a cassette made on someone else's machine, you can bet the farm your deck will not be exactly right for that tape. That is why the Nak Dragon is such a great machine: It automatically aligns the play head for the best HF response from whatever screwed up tape you throw at it. As to aligning a cassette for correct absolute azimuth, yes, it can be done by ear, but not by listening for the best HF response. I use a reference cassette, invert phase on one channel, amp switched to mono, levels matched left and right, and run the 1K to 5K tones. The point at which you get a maximum null is where your play head is dead on. As accurate as a Lissajous scope pattern. For record head alignment, If you have a three head deck with discrete heads, same idea. Record a 2K tone at -10 db or 0 db if metal tape, monitor off the play head, polarity inverted on one channel, and set the azimuth for deepest null. If you have a two head or sandwich type three head deck you already have the alignment correct. This require a balanced line, however. Otherwise, just set play to mono and go for maximum level. You can still get a good alignment from mid-range tones but to get the best indication of good azimuth, the left and right channels have to be summed. Using headphones makes the process even easier. ______________________ Marc Stager ========================================== At 5/17/01, you wrote: >Unless you have "miracle ears", the only way to align the Pb head accurately >is with test gear. > >Stephen Sank ===================== > > Really? > > > > I usually adjust azimuth by ear. I just listen to the treble and get it > > where it sounds clearet. > > > > How much more accurrate could an alignment tape be than my ears? :) > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 18 10:02:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:02:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles In-Reply-To: <3B04426F.8FBA6B5C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000701c0df70$ed5b78e0$eece883e@a4s1s2> Jim Both, for I have noted that some control room monitors have successfully made it into the home - e.g. Quad ESL, Rogers BBC design (I forget the model number). Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 17 May 2001 22:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles Graham, Are you referring to my favorite home speakers or control room monitors? Graham Nelson wrote: > > Jim > > Forgive me for asking if you've already stated this, but as a recording > engineer, what are your favourite make/model of speakers? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 17 May 2001 21:09 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bipoles vs. dipoles > > I think you're referring to bi-directional or "figure-eight" > microphones. I've never heard them referred to as bipolar. But then > again, I didn't begin my work as a recording engineer until 1985 do > maybe the older guys called these mics by a different name. > > Nevertheless, bipolar speakers are usually dynamic speakers that have > similar drivers that operate over the same frequency range mounted on > the front and rear of the speakers cabinet. They are connected > electrically in phase with each other and operated acoustically in phase > in the room. Dipole speakers on the other hand typically have two > drivers that mounted front and back that operate over the same frequency > range but are connected out of phase with each other, or have a single > driver that is open both front and back, that presents an out of phase > wavefront into the room. > > The advantage of dipole speakers is that they are line source speakers > with no vertical dispersion and very little side dispersion (the out of > phase wavefront cancels to the sides) so most of the sound is directed > at the listener and not off the nearby walls, ceiling and floor. Result? > You hear more of the recording and less of the room. > > Regarding, "backwave cancellation effects", it's mostly an issue with > smaller fullrange or hybrid electrostats with lowish crossover > frequencies (250 Hz or lower). With larger panels the cancellation > happens at frequencies below 100 Hz, a good thing in most rooms. In > hybrid electrostats with smaller panels and higher crossover > frequencies, the panel is crossed over at frequency so that the > cancellation is never an issue. > > Regardless, dipole speakers are finicky about speaker placement but > reward their owner with fabulous sound. > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just for the record: the ESL 55 is from mid 60ties, de ESL 63 from the eighties. Pro's for electrostatics vs. voicecoil chasssis: 1. low mass, better transient response 2. lower distorsion 3. "Z-axis" > Hearing is believing! The British Quad 63 ESL is still a very good > loudspeaker. > Some of the best mics/casettedecks/autocars are "old" > The low mass of membrame gives unique transient response and a very > good positioning of instruments. > And, of course, is has the "Z-axis" > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------- -----========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------- -----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 18 16:21:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:51:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] PB head azimuth Message-ID: <20010518142116.A16531DFB89@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri May 18 17:06:05 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:06:05 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <000701c0dee4$51cef000$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Any words about FF-8 model? It's a Japanese model. My guess it was made around 1984. Misha >You are completely correct in your Aiwa history, Marc. It was all downhill >after the AD-F990/770/660/330/220 decks of around 1984 or 85. The F220, a >soft-touch mechanism, was the cheapest cassette deck, just about ever, at >$129, to offer genuinely entry level "high end" performance & durability. I >bought one in amazing condition a month or so ago on ebay really cheap, just >'cause I couldn't resist, due to my fondness for them. Anybody need a dirt >cheap, nice deck? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Last time I was in the Market for Speakers was about 3 years ago, when I decided to replace the B&W 801s. Even though I loved the 801s, their performance was, surprisingly, very location dependent in my 'difficult' listening room. Electrostatics are not an option in my listening room. It's rather long and narrow, with the A/V system occupying one end and an L shaped sofa/love seat at the other end. The A/V system is rather wide, with a 65" RPTV in the center, taking up most of the short wall. The room for each speaker at the two sides is just over 2' wide and 2.5' deep. Sitting in those holes, the 801s sounded miserable. Pulling them forward and slightly in from the side walls changed all that and made them sound like they ought to -- fabulous. For that reason, I installed casters on the stands and used to pull them in for serious listening sessions. The rest of the time, I just tolerated the sound, all the while plotting to replace them. I finally chose the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts. The design of these American made speakers is very similar to the 801s, except the the port is located at the rear. Their sound is very similar, too, maybe, even more refined. I called the designer and discussed the room placement with him. He predicted -- correctly -- that the 10Ts will sound just fine, but with some unavoidable stereo staging loss. I love them and expect that they will be the last speakers I will ever own. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I think this question was for Ron, not me. > > Personally, I love Sound Labs. Only problem is that they are huge and > require an equally large listening room. Small to medium sized rooms > need not apply. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > But have you auditioned Soundlab statics? Try them with a correct amp as > > you might be pleasantly surprised (although your account will not). > > > > Carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 18 18:58:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:58:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <000701c0dee4$51cef000$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01f301c0dfbb$cb42b980$933442cf@sank1> Aiwa FF-8 evokes a very distant memory of perhaps being the equivalent of the F770, but I'm not sure at all. The only place I ever saw cross-references was in Aiwa's "one point troubleshooting guides", which they issued to us Aiwa servicers each year for a few years back then. I'm no longer at that facility, though, so I don't have any of these guides. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > Hi Stephen, > > Any words about FF-8 model? It's a Japanese model. My guess it was made > around 1984. > > Misha > > > >You are completely correct in your Aiwa history, Marc. It was all downhill > >after the AD-F990/770/660/330/220 decks of around 1984 or 85. The F220, a > >soft-touch mechanism, was the cheapest cassette deck, just about ever, at > >$129, to offer genuinely entry level "high end" performance & durability. I > >bought one in amazing condition a month or so ago on ebay really cheap, just > >'cause I couldn't resist, due to my fondness for them. Anybody need a dirt > >cheap, nice deck? > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 22:24:49 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:24:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <000f01c0df29$89b5a550$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <001501c0df8b$d23a05c0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <015f01c0dfd8$973692c0$97853604@D9569601> I heard the esl 63's run by the quad amp/preamp.....very, very nice in a medium sized room in the sweet spot. Very low SAF, however. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > > > > > > I've never heard any of the Quads but I have a hard time > believing > > that > > > the speaker you heard 30 years ago can keep up with today's > > technology > > > for electrostats. > > > Just for the record: the ESL 55 is from mid 60ties, de ESL 63 from > the eighties. > Pro's for electrostatics vs. voicecoil chasssis: > > 1. low mass, better transient response > 2. lower distorsion > 3. "Z-axis" > > > > Hearing is believing! The British Quad 63 ESL is still a very good > > loudspeaker. > > Some of the best mics/casettedecks/autocars are "old" > > The low mass of membrame gives unique transient response and a very > > good positioning of instruments. > > And, of course, is has the "Z-axis" > > > > > > Maurits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 22:32:02 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:32:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player References: <3AFE8D46.53B4D812@concentric.net> <03ce01c0dbf6$deb02f20$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B0015E9.7B2A5C06@concentric.net> <3B0023E4.1E785EC8@earthlink.net> <3B013DCC.2F9B8DAA@concentric.net> <066c01c0dd50$4a4916c0$8e3442cf@sank1> <001701c0dded$fcaa49e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> <074301c0de28$9e6d5f80$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B02C921.1B5190A3@earthlink.net> <07b801c0de7d$01be4960$8e3442cf@sank1> <3B03E320.7854B124@concentric.net> <3B042B0C.EB50AAD6@earthlink.net> <3B043576.347B637@concentric.net> <3B044059.7440908A@earthlink.net> <01c501c0df24$49bc5570$bb863604@D9569601> <3B045AFC.9DFBCEA7@earthlink.net> <3B053179.4D4AE5B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <01bd01c0dfd9$98fb09a0$97853604@D9569601> really too bad most of us cannot afford a proper listening room; ie, one with a nice wall with no windows and corners extending out at least six feet from the wall. Statics, wall speakers (that wharfedale panel comes to mind), the infamous bose 901, and the klipschorns all require this sort of setup. In today's space efficient homes it is getting harder and harder to find a correct listening room carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CD player vs. DVD Player > > If the question was for me, then, no, I have never > auditioned the Sound Labs. > > Last time I was in the Market for Speakers was about > 3 years ago, when I decided to replace the B&W 801s. > Even though I loved the 801s, their performance was, > surprisingly, very location dependent in my 'difficult' > listening room. > > Electrostatics are not an option in my listening room. > It's rather long and narrow, with the A/V system > occupying one end and an L shaped sofa/love seat at > the other end. The A/V system is rather wide, with a > 65" RPTV in the center, taking up most of the short > wall. The room for each speaker at the two sides is > just over 2' wide and 2.5' deep. Sitting in those > holes, the 801s sounded miserable. Pulling them forward > and slightly in from the side walls changed all that > and made them sound like they ought to -- fabulous. > For that reason, I installed casters on the stands and > used to pull them in for serious listening sessions. > The rest of the time, I just tolerated the sound, all > the while plotting to replace them. > > I finally chose the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts. The design > of these American made speakers is very similar to the > 801s, except the the port is located at the rear. Their > sound is very similar, too, maybe, even more refined. > I called the designer and discussed the room placement > with him. He predicted -- correctly -- that the 10Ts > will sound just fine, but with some unavoidable stereo > staging loss. I love them and expect that they will be > the last speakers I will ever own. > > -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I think this question was for Ron, not me. > > > > Personally, I love Sound Labs. Only problem is that they are huge and > > require an equally large listening room. Small to medium sized rooms > > need not apply. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > But have you auditioned Soundlab statics? Try them with a correct amp as > > > you might be pleasantly surprised (although your account will not). > > > > > > Carl > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Misha >Aiwa FF-8 evokes a very distant memory of perhaps being the equivalent of >the F770, but I'm not sure at all. The only place I ever saw >cross-references was in Aiwa's "one point troubleshooting guides", which >they issued to us Aiwa servicers each year for a few years back then. I'm >no longer at that facility, though, so I don't have any of these guides. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 19 12:07:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:07:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 References: <01f301c0dfbb$cb42b980$933442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009301c0e04b$754b1dc0$223442cf@sank1> No 2 head Nak after the 580M has crystalloy. Every 3-head Nak has crystalloy heads(except that 700/1000/II had ferrite record heads). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Aiwa F990 > Thanks Stephen! > > Some imnteresting question for you. As far as I remember you always saying > that newer Nak's models has sendust heads but older has crystalloy. > In DR-broshures they indicated that DR-1 na d DR-2 has crystalloy heads > and only DR-3 has sendust. Is it true? Where is the border between > crystalloy and sendust heads? > > Thanks! > Misha > > >Aiwa FF-8 evokes a very distant memory of perhaps being the equivalent of > >the F770, but I'm not sure at all. The only place I ever saw > >cross-references was in Aiwa's "one point troubleshooting guides", which > >they issued to us Aiwa servicers each year for a few years back then. I'm > >no longer at that facility, though, so I don't have any of these guides. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Sun May 20 04:52:28 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:52:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Electrostats References: <000901c0df16$64b79000$fddb883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B07316C.6A3A8FFD@snip.net> For those who have listened to them, or still have them, the Acoustat 2+2 was a phenomenal speaker. Properly positioned and with no-compromise electronics in the front end, they gave an enormous sound field, tremendous front to back depth, truly great imaging and image specificity, a seamless top to bottom (I could get them down to 28-24 Hz) and phenomenal accuracy. However, they reproduced exactly what was fed into them with all of its imperfections. I can still remember closely miked female vocals, where it seemed like you had a pair of lips 12 feet wide hanging in space in front of you and singing to you. Anybody else have fond memories of these? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu May 24 15:19:56 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:19:56 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F567D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Is Naktalk temporarily dead, or is it something wrong with my messaging services? No single message within the last 3 days. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 24 16:26:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:26:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Test References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F567D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000c01c0e45d$a4042380$a7289bca@smarzuki> Looks like its vacation time again in the US ... i'm still all ears (eyes ?). Interestingly my two other groups are also in silent mode ! Regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Test > Is Naktalk temporarily dead, or is it something wrong with my messaging > services? No single message within the last 3 days. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 24 19:38:28 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:38:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade Message-ID: <3B0D4714.6C3C8224@concentric.net> This is going to be long... and probably, of interest only to the tweakers and hackers among us. With the realization that my future probably does not include a 1000ZXL and following the discussions about CR-7 upgrades, I thought seriously about upgrading mine. I made a list of what can be (sanely) done to a CR-7 to improve its performance. If anyone is interested in exact, full details of each step, I'll be happy to post. 1. Replace head op-amp with lower noise type -- uPC4570C (En=4.5 nV/SQR(Hz) ) comes to mind. 2. Replace op-amps in signal path with lower distortion, lower noise type (OPA2134 comes to mind). 3. Replace signal path electrolytic caps with high frequency type (lower ESR, tan(delta) and leakage), in parallel with 4.7nF polypropylene caps. 4. Bypass power pins of the head and Dolby op-amps with 4.7nF polypropylene caps. Same on other signal path op-amps if space permits. 5. Add an output buffer (such as OP275), to reduce output impedance (to about 30 ohms) and remove its dependence on level control position. 6. Modify the head azimuth control to improve resolution (pending Stephen's test of the idea). Figuring out what this means, it boils down to well over $100 (requires careful component purchasing) and probably a good part of a day to put in the mods and test everything out afterwards. Naturally, I started to wonder what will this buy me, in terms of *real world* enjoyment. I find my CR-7, as is, very, very good. So, I set up a series of listening tests, enlisting my ears, my wife's ears and the ears of a 13 year old boy who happened to be available. For music source I chose various recordings, not necessarily for being super audiophile, but because they expose system weaknesses with difficult material -- castanets (extreme highs), Piano (sharp attacks), full orchestra (mixed highs and lows, lots of mid bass) and large chorus (for sheer volume). For the first test, I set preamp input to CD and the deck to source monitoring. By switching Tape Monitor on the preamp Off, I could hear the CD Direct sound. By switching the Tape Monitor on the preamp On, I could hear the same CD, after it has gone through about 12ft cable, the deck monitoring circuitry (filtering, transistor amp, switching and 3 opamps) and another 12ft cable back to the preamp, with no recording involved. Testers auditioned separately (so as not to influence each other). The test consisted of playing a selection twice (sometimes through the same setup, sometimes switching) and asking the listener if they could hear any difference. Results were surprising. Depending on program material, the difference was just about indiscernible. The boy (theoretically, with the better hearing) got about 57% wrong, fairly consistently -- statistically, totally insignificant. The wife was wrong most of the time (55% to 85%). She admitted that most of the time, she was half guessing, because she wasn't sure she heard any difference. Personally, I auditioned without taking results, since my audition was not blind. I knew what to look for and would say that most of the time, there was no audible difference. On difficult material, the difference was there, but slight indeed. For example, The sheen of castanets was still clearly audible, but very slightly subdued and mellowed out. Bass notes were the same, but piano attacks were imperceptibly diminished. Large chorus was slightly less realistic. In short, the tape monitor path made no difference, except in extremely careful A/B audition -- and that, only on difficult material and only sometimes. For the next round of listening tests I put in a cassette (Maxell XL-II), set the deck to recording and the preamp to tape monitoring. Now, switching the preamp tape monitoring between tape and source, we added to the comparison the effect of record + PB. Again, the results were amazing. Except on 'difficult' selections, the difference was all but inaudible. The wife got most of the tests wrong. Personally, (sighted test) I found the difference was audible only on very specific sections and then -- hardly perceptible. Where it existed, it made the sound less smooth, more 'electronic' and grainy, but to a very small degree. Again, unless on A/B audition (and then, only on some material) it would have been inaudible. I can't even state that the difference was bigger than in the previous test, without the record/PB path. This -- with a type II cassette. My only clear conclusion is that Nakamichi Engineers sure knew what they were doing... Otherwise, I am ambivalent. Should one go to the trouble and expense when the reward is so small as to be doubtful? I'll appreciate any insights you guys may offer. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu May 24 21:39:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:39:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Test Message-ID: I'm still here as well. How are you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Thu May 24 23:59:15 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:59:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F567D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000d01c0e49c$c6c675a0$ec8fe2c3@a9u3z8> I was wonderingthat myself - I thought somethingwas wrong with my modem or e-mail. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Igritski Nick To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Test > Is Naktalk temporarily dead, or is it something wrong with my messaging > services? No single message within the last 3 days. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 25 06:39:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:09:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade Message-ID: <20010525043901.424AD1DFC33@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 25 12:33:01 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:33:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade References: <3B0D4714.6C3C8224@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B0E34DC.D18D0D2F@sunint.co.za> This was a fascinating read Ron. What a deck! Something to aspire to, and no, I wouldn't think upgrading the list of semi-conductors et al would be worth the stress and anxiety casued by having the machine out of commission for the day....... Seriously, though, your listening tests show that quantum leaps are not possible on a CR7. That performance alone, at least for me, is what makes other audio recording formats superfluous. And I don't have a CR7. (Sob, sob...) Cheers, Marc Ron wrote: > This is going to be long... and probably, of interest > only to the tweakers and hackers among us. > > With the realization that my future probably does not > include a 1000ZXL and following the discussions about CR-7 > upgrades, I thought seriously about upgrading mine. I made > a list of what can be (sanely) done to a CR-7 to improve > its performance. If anyone is interested in exact, full > details of each step, I'll be happy to post. > > 1. Replace head op-amp with lower noise type -- uPC4570C > (En=4.5 nV/SQR(Hz) ) comes to mind. > 2. Replace op-amps in signal path with lower distortion, > lower noise type (OPA2134 comes to mind). > 3. Replace signal path electrolytic caps with high frequency > type (lower ESR, tan(delta) and leakage), in parallel > with 4.7nF polypropylene caps. > 4. Bypass power pins of the head and Dolby op-amps with > 4.7nF polypropylene caps. Same on other signal path > op-amps if space permits. > 5. Add an output buffer (such as OP275), to reduce output > impedance (to about 30 ohms) and remove its dependence > on level control position. > 6. Modify the head azimuth control to improve resolution > (pending Stephen's test of the idea). > > Figuring out what this means, it boils down to well over > $100 (requires careful component purchasing) and probably > a good part of a day to put in the mods and test everything > out afterwards. Naturally, I started to wonder what will > this buy me, in terms of *real world* enjoyment. I find my > CR-7, as is, very, very good. > > So, I set up a series of listening tests, enlisting my ears, > my wife's ears and the ears of a 13 year old boy who > happened to be available. For music source I chose various > recordings, not necessarily for being super audiophile, > but because they expose system weaknesses with difficult > material -- castanets (extreme highs), Piano (sharp > attacks), > full orchestra (mixed highs and lows, lots of mid bass) > and large chorus (for sheer volume). > > For the first test, I set preamp input to CD and the deck > to source monitoring. By switching Tape Monitor on the > preamp Off, I could hear the CD Direct sound. By switching > the Tape Monitor on the preamp On, I could hear the same > CD, after it has gone through about 12ft cable, the deck > monitoring circuitry (filtering, transistor amp, switching > and 3 opamps) and another 12ft cable back to the preamp, > with no recording involved. > > Testers auditioned separately (so as not to influence each > other). The test consisted of playing a selection twice > (sometimes through the same setup, sometimes switching) > and asking the listener if they could hear any difference. > > Results were surprising. Depending on program material, > the difference was just about indiscernible. The boy > (theoretically, with the better hearing) got about 57% > wrong, fairly consistently -- statistically, totally > insignificant. The wife was wrong most of the time (55% > to 85%). She admitted that most of the time, she was > half guessing, because she wasn't sure she heard any > difference. > > Personally, I auditioned without taking results, since > my audition was not blind. I knew what to look for and > would say that most of the time, there was no audible > difference. On difficult material, the difference was > there, but slight indeed. For example, The sheen of > castanets was still clearly audible, but very slightly > subdued and mellowed out. Bass notes were the same, but > piano attacks were imperceptibly diminished. Large chorus > was slightly less realistic. In short, the tape monitor > path made no difference, except in extremely careful > A/B audition -- and that, only on difficult material and > only sometimes. > > For the next round of listening tests I put in a cassette > (Maxell XL-II), set the deck to recording and the preamp > to tape monitoring. Now, switching the preamp tape > monitoring between tape and source, we added to the > comparison the effect of record + PB. > > Again, the results were amazing. Except on 'difficult' > selections, the difference was all but inaudible. The > wife got most of the tests wrong. Personally, (sighted > test) I found the difference was audible only on very > specific sections and then -- hardly perceptible. Where > it existed, it made the sound less smooth, more > 'electronic' and grainy, but to a very small degree. > Again, unless on A/B audition (and then, only on some > material) it would have been inaudible. I can't even > state that the difference was bigger than in the > previous test, without the record/PB path. This -- with > a type II cassette. > > My only clear conclusion is that Nakamichi Engineers sure > knew what they were doing... Otherwise, I am ambivalent. > Should one go to the trouble and expense when the reward > is so small as to be doubtful? > > I'll appreciate any insights you guys may offer. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri May 25 15:13:36 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:13:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade References: <3B0D4714.6C3C8224@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003001c0e51c$8269f140$79232ac4@coqui.net> Very good , Ron. ! But, I prefer leave mine's as is. The differences are so subtle that sometimes does not worth the extra work and cost. As you said: Nakamichi Engineers knew what they were doing. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Nak Talk" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade > > This is going to be long... and probably, of interest > only to the tweakers and hackers among us. > > With the realization that my future probably does not > include a 1000ZXL and following the discussions about CR-7 > upgrades, ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri May 25 20:52:56 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:52:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel Message-ID: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> Below is a copy of an ad I found on a Newsgroup. I never knew Levinson was into the tape medium. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lunac" Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > > > MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel (under 100hrs) > Mint rare mark Levinson ML-5A two channel tape deck, under 100hrs, 7.5 & 15ips, > Dolby A, 110 or 220 volts switchable, with original box and manual. > Sold new for $25,000. Will sell for $6400 > > Trades considered, will export, free layaway. > See this and many more items at: > WEBSITE: www.higherfi.com > EMAIL: lunac at aol.com > PHONE: (952) 445-3474 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri May 25 21:13:11 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:13:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> You can view a picture of it at http://www.higherfi.com/ml5.jpg Btw-There was another ad for tapes also: FS/FT: 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Concert Recordings! 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Master Copy Tapes Very rare collection of 600 reel to reel tapes, encoded in Dolby A for best sound, including 20 tapes by Mark Levinson and Chicago, BBC, Cleveland, Vienna, New York, London, Philidelphia, Los Angeles Orchestra's and more. $4750.00 for all (which equals under $8.00 for each tape!) Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 25 22:01:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:01:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> I'd heard of the Levinson reel deck, but hadn't seen one ever. Looks like it started out as a Studer deck. Has Studer NAB hubs on it, clearly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > You can view a picture of it at http://www.higherfi.com/ml5.jpg > > Btw-There was another ad for tapes also: > > FS/FT: 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Concert Recordings! > > 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Master Copy Tapes > Very rare collection of 600 reel to reel tapes, encoded in Dolby A for best > sound, including 20 tapes by Mark Levinson and Chicago, BBC, Cleveland, > Vienna, > New York, London, Philidelphia, Los Angeles Orchestra's and more. > $4750.00 for all (which equals under $8.00 for each tape!) > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Fri May 25 22:49:14 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:49:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel Message-ID: <70.ae1ea46.28401f4a@aol.com> Does the Levinson have a seperate meter bridge or what? Would really love to see an image of the whole deck. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 25 22:50:56 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:50:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c0e55c$65782b20$b9ee3fd0@oemcomputer> its a studer a80 with electronics by Mark Levinson I think before madrigal bought out ML ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > I'd heard of the Levinson reel deck, but hadn't seen one ever. Looks like > it started out as a Studer deck. Has Studer NAB hubs on it, clearly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > > > > You can view a picture of it at http://www.higherfi.com/ml5.jpg > > > > Btw-There was another ad for tapes also: > > > > FS/FT: 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Concert Recordings! > > > > 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Master Copy Tapes > > Very rare collection of 600 reel to reel tapes, encoded in Dolby A for > best > > sound, including 20 tapes by Mark Levinson and Chicago, BBC, Cleveland, > > Vienna, > > New York, London, Philidelphia, Los Angeles Orchestra's and more. > > $4750.00 for all (which equals under $8.00 for each tape!) > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 25 22:54:55 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:54:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001f01c0e55c$f41458e0$b9ee3fd0@oemcomputer> > Below is a copy of an ad I found on a Newsgroup. I never knew Levinson was > into the tape medium. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > Actually Mark Levinson the man has recorded and released a lot of material on ML, cello labels and othersi ncluding the cassette format. Interestingly enough his current company Red Rose Music is recording music in the DSD format for sacd's. He is evidently think about also issuing the music on cassettes as the only alternative to Sacd. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Sat May 26 00:17:05 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:17:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel In-Reply-To: <001901c0e55c$65782b20$b9ee3fd0@oemcomputer> References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010525181205.00bfa140@mail.verizon.net> Listed in the Audio Magazine Annual Equipment Directory, 1983 Mark Levinson ML-5 15/30 ips, weight 117 lbs. Built on a Studer A80RC transport. 1983 price: $14,000 ________________________ Marc Stager ============================== >its a studer a80 with electronics by Mark Levinson >I think before madrigal bought out ML Warren" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat May 26 01:04:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:04:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts of CR-7 upgrade Message-ID: Thank you for the insight Ron, and I am glad to have finally purchased a CR-7a and will leave it as. It is a great deck. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat May 26 01:21:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:21:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available Message-ID: <2d.c511e1c.28404302@aol.com> For those of you who may be interested, here's some nice Nak gear for sale. It looks like this guy is selling an entire Nakamichi system in mint condition. This would make a great system for someone looking to upgrade. Enjoy! -Sam Nakamichi CR-7 mint: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238754100 Nakamichi Control Amplifier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238742570 Nakamichi Power Amplifier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238749991 Nakamichi OMS-7A III CD Player: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238755792 Nakamichi SPC 1 for CA-7 Control Amplifier: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238756940 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 26 01:40:24 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:40:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available In-Reply-To: <2d.c511e1c.28404302@aol.com> Message-ID: Yep...that is a whole set of the series 7 equipment. Personally, I think the guy is nuts to sell that stuff. I was bidding on the OMS cd player but the bidding is now very high at over $400, with a couple days left. From what I've herad from you guys....that sort of money would be better spent on newer technology. I would love to have that whole setup! Alex Cagann > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > > > For those of you who may be interested, here's some nice Nak gear > for sale. > It looks like this guy is selling an entire Nakamichi system in mint > condition. This would make a great system for someone looking to > upgrade. > Enjoy! > > -Sam > > Nakamichi CR-7 mint: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238754100 > > Nakamichi Control Amplifier: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238742570 > > Nakamichi Power Amplifier: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238749991 > > Nakamichi OMS-7A III CD Player: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238755792 > > Nakamichi SPC 1 for CA-7 Control Amplifier: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238756940 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat May 26 01:46:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:46:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available Message-ID: <6d.14809866.284048c7@aol.com> Hi Alex, Yes, it is definitely a nice set up. I wouldn't mind having it myself. But for now, I'll say with my trust, reliable, and great sounding system. But that is one nice Nakamichi system, and maybe the guy is nuts to sell it. And, it all appears to be in mint condition... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 26 02:04:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:04:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available References: Message-ID: <012501c0e577$6c6fa960$0f3442cf@sank1> No, you definitely DON'T want to hear a complete 7-series set-up! The CA-7 preamp, while beautiful both inside & out, sounds HORRIBLE! Unless you remove the tweeters from your speakers, every dog in the neighborhood will start howling! The design had active feedback, to excess, and was screeeeeechy as hell. It was a disaster for PA-5/7 amp sales, since these wonderful amps were almost always demo'd with that godawful preamp. The CA-5II was just as bad, but the original CA-5 was actually pretty ok, being a very simple discrete design, similar to the old 410 preamp. The only time I ever recommend a CA-7 to anyone is strictly as a wireless system remote controller(2 cass decks, cd player, tuner & power strip). Truly an abomination unto music. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > Yep...that is a whole set of the series 7 equipment. Personally, I think > the guy is nuts to sell that stuff. I was bidding on the OMS cd player but > the bidding is now very high at over $400, with a couple days left. From > what I've herad from you guys....that sort of money would be better spent on > newer technology. I would love to have that whole setup! > > Alex Cagann > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:22 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > > > > > > For those of you who may be interested, here's some nice Nak gear > > for sale. > > It looks like this guy is selling an entire Nakamichi system in mint > > condition. This would make a great system for someone looking to > > upgrade. > > Enjoy! > > > > -Sam > > > > Nakamichi CR-7 mint: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238754100 > > > > Nakamichi Control Amplifier: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238742570 > > > > Nakamichi Power Amplifier: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238749991 > > > > Nakamichi OMS-7A III CD Player: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238755792 > > > > Nakamichi SPC 1 for CA-7 Control Amplifier: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238756940 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 26 02:34:03 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:34:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B0EF9FA.7E9D1BE9@snet.net> I was thinking the same as Stephen... looks exactly like a low profile version of the Studer A-80 1/4" two track deck in the studio where I work. Stephen Sank wrote: > I'd heard of the Levinson reel deck, but hadn't seen one ever. Looks like > it started out as a Studer deck. Has Studer NAB hubs on it, clearly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > > > You can view a picture of it at http://www.higherfi.com/ml5.jpg > > > > Btw-There was another ad for tapes also: > > > > FS/FT: 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Concert Recordings! > > > > 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Master Copy Tapes > > Very rare collection of 600 reel to reel tapes, encoded in Dolby A for > best > > sound, including 20 tapes by Mark Levinson and Chicago, BBC, Cleveland, > > Vienna, > > New York, London, Philidelphia, Los Angeles Orchestra's and more. > > $4750.00 for all (which equals under $8.00 for each tape!) > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat May 26 18:47:51 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:47:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006201c0e603$9b51e5e0$91232ac4@coqui.net> In the late 80's, Mastering Engineers were asking for better sound on playback 1/2" analog machines. So, for those who already has the A -80, Levinson just upgraded the electronics and put his own pre-amps. Bob Ludwig and several others advertise these machine as "Studer A-80 with Cello Electronics". Manley also has a " Tube Tape Re-Play" unit that comes with a 1/2" head. You just use your A-80 transport (considered to be the best in its league) and hear trough your external pre's. I have the Manley version in one of our mastering suites and definetely is far superior to Studers' but for any rap or rock material I still use the A-80 alone. In other things, now IRMA has predicted that the tape media would survive trough the year 2010 ! Ha, ha,ha, ! best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > I'd heard of the Levinson reel deck, but hadn't seen one ever. Looks like > it started out as a Studer deck. Has Studer NAB hubs on it, clearly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: FS/FT:MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel > > > > You can view a picture of it at http://www.higherfi.com/ml5.jpg > > > > Btw-There was another ad for tapes also: > > > > FS/FT: 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Concert Recordings! > > > > 600 DECCA & LEVINSON Master Copy Tapes > > Very rare collection of 600 reel to reel tapes, encoded in Dolby A for > best > > sound, including 20 tapes by Mark Levinson and Chicago, BBC, Cleveland, > > Vienna, > > New York, London, Philidelphia, Los Angeles Orchestra's and more. > > $4750.00 for all (which equals under $8.00 for each tape!) > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon May 28 08:00:00 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 02:00:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another MARK LEVINSON :-))) References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> <3B0EF9FA.7E9D1BE9@snet.net> Message-ID: <6744005E.58B805F0.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, friends, Just in case nobody noticed: have a smile - there is another wonderful device by Mark Levinson: http://www.higherfi.com/mlt.jpg Let's start home appliances subgroup here! :-))) Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon May 28 08:19:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:19:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Another MARK LEVINSON :-))) References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> <3B0EF9FA.7E9D1BE9@snet.net> <6744005E.58B805F0.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <003f01c0e73e$33fed060$153442cf@sank1> Oh, wow! A $28,000 toaster! Gotta have one! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] Another MARK LEVINSON :-))) > > Hi, friends, > > Just in case nobody noticed: have a smile - there is another wonderful device by Mark Levinson: > http://www.higherfi.com/mlt.jpg > > Let's start home appliances subgroup here! :-))) > > Nicholas. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Mon May 28 09:40:32 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:40:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available References: <012501c0e577$6c6fa960$0f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000d01c0e749$7a9b4980$8e8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Bowers and Wilkins had a set-up for sale recently which included the CA-7 preamp. The amp was the PA-5. I thought about gettingit to replace my Mission Cyrus II. Glad I decided against it. Got the OMS-7II andthe ST-7, though. Different kettle of fish! Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > No, you definitely DON'T want to hear a complete 7-series set-up! The CA-7 > preamp, while beautiful both inside & out, sounds HORRIBLE! Unless you > remove the tweeters from your speakers, every dog in the neighborhood will > start howling! The design had active feedback, to excess, and was > screeeeeechy as hell. It was a disaster for PA-5/7 amp sales, since these > wonderful amps were almost always demo'd with that godawful preamp. The > CA-5II was just as bad, but the original CA-5 was actually pretty ok, being > a very simple discrete design, similar to the old 410 preamp. The only time > I ever recommend a CA-7 to anyone is strictly as a wireless system remote > controller(2 cass decks, cd player, tuner & power strip). Truly an > abomination unto music. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:40 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > > > > Yep...that is a whole set of the series 7 equipment. Personally, I think > > the guy is nuts to sell that stuff. I was bidding on the OMS cd player > but > > the bidding is now very high at over $400, with a couple days left. >From > > what I've herad from you guys....that sort of money would be better spent > on > > newer technology. I would love to have that whole setup! > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com > > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:22 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Some REALLY nice Nakamichi equipment available > > > > > > > > > For those of you who may be interested, here's some nice Nak gear > > > for sale. > > > It looks like this guy is selling an entire Nakamichi system in mint > > > condition. This would make a great system for someone looking to > > > upgrade. > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > Nakamichi CR-7 mint: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238754100 > > > > > > Nakamichi Control Amplifier: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238742570 > > > > > > Nakamichi Power Amplifier: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238749991 > > > > > > Nakamichi OMS-7A III CD Player: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238755792 > > > > > > Nakamichi SPC 1 for CA-7 Control Amplifier: > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238756940 > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon May 28 09:51:40 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 03:51:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another RetroAudio site Message-ID: <175356BC.39803FF6.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear Naktalkers, Today I ran accross a very nice Russian site, devoted to retro audio equipment with very good real photos (with rear panels and even insides on some models). The brands include: Akai, Pioneer, Sansui, NAKAMICHI, Fisher, Marantz, McIntosh, Luxman and Accuphase. I suppose you also find it interesting. The address is very simple: www.retroaudio.ru Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Mon May 28 10:44:46 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 04:44:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another MARK LEVINSON :-))) In-Reply-To: <003f01c0e73e$33fed060$153442cf@sank1> References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> <3B0EF9FA.7E9D1BE9@snet.net> <6744005E.58B805F0.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010528044341.00b94960@mail.verizon.net> I think the Air Force buys a lot of those. ______________________ Marc Stager =========================== At 5/28/01, you wrote: >Oh, wow! A $28,000 toaster! Gotta have one! > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon May 28 12:32:28 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:32:28 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5683@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi all, taking into account the absence of more important Nak related topics to discuss, I would like to share with you my recent experience of re-animating an old, absolutely ugly looking, covered with juice, nicotine tar, infested with cockroaches Tandberg TCD310 I sincerely believed was destined to rot in a cesspit. I was convinced, that piece of equipment like that, which I use to call "soap box", even brand-new, was nothing but piece of some real stinking shit to better keep one's hands off. Oh God, I was erring so deeply! BEFORE: see above + http://home.online.no/~jandors/tcd310.html + wow/flutter ~2.2% AFTER: The thing persists looking ugly and clumsy despite all cosmetic renovation - it seems to have been conceived to be the ugliest piece of Hi-Fi in the world. As to the technical data, after all cleaning, letting cockroaches go, lubricating, adjusting, tuning and polishing they look like those below (some general data & IMHO interesting comments on features also included). Release year: 1973 (found printed on the back of the capstan motor) MECHANICS: Capstans: 2 (of same diameter, i.e. NOT a diffused resonance mechanism; surprisingly small flywheels, ca. 5 cm in diameter; belt drive, which is really thick and solid) Motors: 3 (1 x capstan + 2 x reel; the latter driving the supply/take-up pulleys directly, NO idlers or anything implied; the winding is extremely fast -- 20-30s for a C90 side -- but very smooth) Heads: 2 (both mounted on the same wedge-shaped plate, which is already hight, tilt and azimuth adjustable; pb/rec head can be then fine-aligned independently - hight, tilt, azimuth; further fine-aligning of the erase head is NOT possible) Tape guides: 1 bed on the supply side made of stainless steel, incorporated with the pinch roller ass'y Pinch rollers: 2 (of same diameter; brass bearings; adjustment of capstan contact simultaneity is possible; hight, azimuth and tilt are fine-ADJUSTABLE!) Noisiness: Tape transport mechanism incl. motors work (playback mode assumed) is EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY silent. I would dare to say that it's much more noiseless than notorious Nak Silent Mechanism. I almost can't hear it work even from the distance of 20 cm. ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: Tape Speed: turned to be +0.5% off the standard. No adjustment facilty. Wow/Flutter: 1.1% Wtd.Peak. I remember someone (presumably Stephen) claiming that Tandberg decks are really weak when it comes to Wow/Flutter issue - allegedly, it will be impossible to obtain values lower that 2% on even their best decks. Here we have an ugly soap box showing 1.1%. Ain't it strange? FR at -20dB: 50Hz-15kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -6dB at 16kHz; frequencies above 17kHz get "stuck" already in the playback amplifier FR at 0dB: 50Hz-6kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -9dB at 8kHz; -17dB at 10kHz THD: 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type I) 0.8% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD with both tape types is reached only at the end of the metering scale, i.e. at +5dB Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used TRIM-POTS: Meters: fine-adjustable MPX filter: nonexistent P/b level: fine-adjustable Bias freq: turned to be 86kHz. Range of tolerance: 80-100kHz. No adjustment facilty. Bias trap (rec.): fine-adjustable Bias trap (p/b): nonexistent Rec. amp. eq.: nonexistent Rec. level: fine-adjustable for both types of tape Bias current: Type I -- single variable resistance for both channels; Type II -- two interfering variable capacitances. Dolby B: fine-adjustable Overall FR: fine-adjustable IRRITATIONS: General ugliness. Lumbering, spring driven cassette well. When opened one is welcome to put the hands over it to prevent cassette from flying away :)) Iron buttons. No less noise is produced while switching from mode to mode. Electromagnet driven headbase producing loud clicks and shocks to the body. Resembles the one of the Nak 600, which is still louder. OTHERWISE: A decent, strangely pleasing in use piece of antique shit. Thanks for your patience. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 28 16:05:15 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:05:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX5 placing References: <175356BC.39803FF6.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3B125B1B.F462744E@xs4all.nl> Hi All, Nick brought this one up... The ZX5 is a strange Nak... looks like a BX300 and is called ZX.... So he suggests to put it in the ZX section anyway, and he may be right... Any other thoughts? Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon May 28 21:50:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:50:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX5 placing References: <175356BC.39803FF6.026D48C1@netscape.net> <3B125B1B.F462744E@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <008101c0e7af$830af3c0$153442cf@sank1> The ZX-5 was the Japan(and other places?) number for the BX-300. Identical but for the number. I'd put it in both ZX & BX categories, with an "aka" on each entry. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX5 placing > > Hi All, > > Nick brought this one up... > The ZX5 is a strange Nak... looks like a BX300 and is called ZX.... > So he suggests to put it in the ZX section anyway, and he may be right... > > Any other thoughts? > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon May 28 21:55:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:55:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5683@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <008901c0e7b0$199aa740$153442cf@sank1> What I had said about the older Tandbergs is that they are EXTREMELY difficult to make handle tape properly, i.e., without tape skewing/mangling, especially if anyone has ever touched the roller azimuth/zenith adjustments. Unbelievably hard to get the rollers back to the right alignment once disturbed. W/F on a TCD-310 should be down around 0.2-0.1 percent. The 0.5 percent speed excess would suggest the belt being a bit to loose & explain the excess w/f. Can't say your freq resp is abnormal, though! I love your result description. Very apt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 > Hi all, > > taking into account the absence of more important Nak related topics to > discuss, I would like to share with you my recent experience of re-animating > an old, absolutely ugly looking, covered with juice, nicotine tar, infested > with cockroaches Tandberg TCD310 I sincerely believed was destined to rot in > a cesspit. I was convinced, that piece of equipment like that, which I use > to call "soap box", even brand-new, was nothing but piece of some real > stinking shit to better keep one's hands off. Oh God, I was erring so > deeply! > > BEFORE: > > see above + http://home.online.no/~jandors/tcd310.html + wow/flutter ~2.2% > > > AFTER: > The thing persists looking ugly and clumsy despite all cosmetic renovation - > it seems to have been conceived to be the ugliest piece of Hi-Fi in the > world. As to the technical data, after all cleaning, letting cockroaches go, > lubricating, adjusting, tuning and polishing they look like those below > (some general data & IMHO interesting comments on features also included). > > Release year: 1973 (found printed on the back of the capstan motor) > > MECHANICS: > Capstans: 2 (of same diameter, i.e. NOT a diffused resonance > mechanism; surprisingly small flywheels, ca. 5 cm in diameter; belt drive, > which is really thick and solid) > Motors: 3 (1 x capstan + 2 x reel; the latter driving the > supply/take-up pulleys directly, NO idlers or anything implied; the winding > is extremely fast -- 20-30s for a C90 side -- but very smooth) > Heads: 2 (both mounted on the same wedge-shaped plate, which is > already hight, tilt and azimuth adjustable; pb/rec head can be then > fine-aligned independently - hight, tilt, azimuth; further > fine-aligning of the erase head is NOT possible) > Tape guides: 1 bed on the supply side made of stainless steel, > incorporated with the pinch roller ass'y > Pinch rollers: 2 (of same diameter; brass bearings; adjustment of capstan > contact simultaneity is possible; hight, azimuth and tilt are > fine-ADJUSTABLE!) > Noisiness: Tape transport mechanism incl. motors work (playback mode > assumed) is EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY silent. I would dare to say that it's much > more noiseless than notorious Nak Silent Mechanism. I > almost can't hear it work even from the distance of 20 cm. > > ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: > > Tape Speed: turned to be +0.5% off the standard. No adjustment facilty. > Wow/Flutter: 1.1% Wtd.Peak. I remember someone (presumably Stephen) > claiming that Tandberg decks are really weak when it comes to Wow/Flutter > issue - allegedly, it will be impossible to obtain > values lower that 2% on even their best decks. Here we have an ugly soap box > showing 1.1%. Ain't it strange? > FR at -20dB: 50Hz-15kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at > 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -6dB at 16kHz; frequencies above 17kHz get "stuck" > already in the playback amplifier > FR at 0dB: 50Hz-6kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at > 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -9dB at 8kHz; -17dB at 10kHz > THD: 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type I) > 0.8% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD with both tape types is > reached only at the end of the metering scale, i.e. at +5dB > Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) > -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used > > TRIM-POTS: > > Meters: fine-adjustable > MPX filter: nonexistent > P/b level: fine-adjustable > Bias freq: turned to be 86kHz. Range of tolerance: 80-100kHz. No > adjustment facilty. > Bias trap (rec.): fine-adjustable > Bias trap (p/b): nonexistent > Rec. amp. eq.: nonexistent > Rec. level: fine-adjustable for both types of tape > Bias current: Type I -- single variable resistance for both channels; Type > II -- two interfering variable capacitances. > Dolby B: fine-adjustable > Overall FR: fine-adjustable > > IRRITATIONS: > > General ugliness. > Lumbering, spring driven cassette well. When opened one is welcome to put > the hands over it to prevent cassette from flying away :)) > Iron buttons. No less noise is produced while switching from mode to mode. > Electromagnet driven headbase producing loud clicks and shocks to the body. > Resembles the one of the Nak 600, which is still louder. > > OTHERWISE: > A decent, strangely pleasing in use piece of antique shit. > > Thanks for your patience. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon May 28 21:58:52 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:58:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 References: <3B1272AC.42531FAA@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B12ADFB.CC9F90F7@snet.net> I have to give Nick great credit for his patience in restoring this one. I got about two hours into a TCD-300 and then asked my self what on earth I was doing and proceeded to sweep the pile of parts and other pieces into the trash! Ed Marc Hugo wrote: > Well, Nick, that was a seriously amusing restoration story on the > Tandberg TCD310 ( I was laughing outloud). Particularly, after mainy > painstaking hours and careful measurements to arrive at your hilarious > conclusion, under "OTHERWISE". > > It just shows that they could build basically good machines in those > days. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon May 28 20:53:54 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:53:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MARK LEVINSON ML-5A Reel-Reel References: <00d401c0e54b$eb212620$39031fac@brianm> <00e401c0e54e$c00c1140$39031fac@brianm> <00f901c0e555$6e2e8fe0$0f3442cf@sank1> <006201c0e603$9b51e5e0$91232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: For whom interested in old Mark Levinson products, schematics, specs, pictures go to http://marklev.com/ The ML5 is there too : http://marklev.com/marklev/ML5/index.html >From French, get one with Dolby A + hundreds of tapes (perhaps it is the same guy of your forum, Brian) http://marklev.com/marklev/forsale/index.html Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Tue May 29 03:21:55 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:21:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5683@mowd019a.mow.siem ens.ru> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010528211423.00a6e3d0@mail.verizon.net> You might want to have a look at the Absolute Sound review of the Nak ZX-7, where Cordesman has some interesting things to say about the 300 and 400 series Tandbergs. (No comparison to the later 3014 which was a fabulous machine) PDF copy at http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ login: ktalk / pw: gearmod ________________________ Marc Stager ================================ ... (Tandberg TCD310) ... A decent, strangely pleasing in use piece of antique shit. Thanks for your patience. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue May 29 11:13:08 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:13:08 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5688@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Straight to the very point, Stephen! You literally took the words off my mouth! I spent 3!!! nights aligning tape travel alone! The bitch is so unbelievably hard to align, that I mutilated a couple of decent tape travelling tapes before I got it. It simply kept and kept squeezing the tape out outwards from below the supply pinch roller despite visually proper alignment of the latter! And thank you all guys, Stephen, Mark, Mark, Ed and others for finding my story entertaining and informative enough to have your attention drawn to it. Thanx Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:55 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 > > What I had said about the older Tandbergs is that they are EXTREMELY > difficult to make handle tape properly, i.e., without tape > skewing/mangling, > especially if anyone has ever touched the roller azimuth/zenith > adjustments. > Unbelievably hard to get the rollers back to the right alignment once > disturbed. W/F on a TCD-310 should be down around 0.2-0.1 percent. The > 0.5 percent speed excess would suggest the belt being a bit to loose & > explain the excess w/f. Can't say your freq resp is abnormal, though! I > love your result description. Very apt. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:32 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 > > > > Hi all, > > > > taking into account the absence of more important Nak related topics to > > discuss, I would like to share with you my recent experience of > re-animating > > an old, absolutely ugly looking, covered with juice, nicotine tar, > infested > > with cockroaches Tandberg TCD310 I sincerely believed was destined to > rot > in > > a cesspit. I was convinced, that piece of equipment like that, which I > use > > to call "soap box", even brand-new, was nothing but piece of some real > > stinking shit to better keep one's hands off. Oh God, I was erring so > > deeply! > > > > BEFORE: > > > > see above + http://home.online.no/~jandors/tcd310.html + wow/flutter > ~2.2% > > > > > > AFTER: > > The thing persists looking ugly and clumsy despite all cosmetic > renovation - > > it seems to have been conceived to be the ugliest piece of Hi-Fi in the > > world. As to the technical data, after all cleaning, letting cockroaches > go, > > lubricating, adjusting, tuning and polishing they look like those below > > (some general data & IMHO interesting comments on features also > included). > > > > Release year: 1973 (found printed on the back of the capstan motor) > > > > MECHANICS: > > Capstans: 2 (of same diameter, i.e. NOT a diffused resonance > > mechanism; surprisingly small flywheels, ca. 5 cm in diameter; belt > drive, > > which is really thick and solid) > > Motors: 3 (1 x capstan + 2 x reel; the latter driving the > > supply/take-up pulleys directly, NO idlers or anything implied; the > winding > > is extremely fast -- 20-30s for a C90 side -- but very smooth) > > Heads: 2 (both mounted on the same wedge-shaped plate, which is > > already hight, tilt and azimuth adjustable; pb/rec head can be then > > fine-aligned independently - hight, tilt, azimuth; further > > fine-aligning of the erase head is NOT possible) > > Tape guides: 1 bed on the supply side made of stainless steel, > > incorporated with the pinch roller ass'y > > Pinch rollers: 2 (of same diameter; brass bearings; adjustment of > capstan > > contact simultaneity is possible; hight, azimuth and tilt are > > fine-ADJUSTABLE!) > > Noisiness: Tape transport mechanism incl. motors work (playback mode > > assumed) is EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY silent. I would dare to say that it's > much > > more noiseless than notorious Nak Silent Mechanism. I > > almost can't hear it work even from the distance of 20 cm. > > > > ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: > > > > Tape Speed: turned to be +0.5% off the standard. No adjustment facilty. > > Wow/Flutter: 1.1% Wtd.Peak. I remember someone (presumably Stephen) > > claiming that Tandberg decks are really weak when it comes to > Wow/Flutter > > issue - allegedly, it will be impossible to obtain > > values lower that 2% on even their best decks. Here we have an ugly soap > box > > showing 1.1%. Ain't it strange? > > FR at -20dB: 50Hz-15kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at > > 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -6dB at 16kHz; frequencies above 17kHz get "stuck" > > already in the playback amplifier > > FR at 0dB: 50Hz-6kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -12dB at > > 20Hz, -4dB at 40Hz, -9dB at 8kHz; -17dB at 10kHz > > THD: 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type I) > > 0.8% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD with both tape types is > > reached only at the end of the metering scale, i.e. at +5dB > > Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) > > -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used > > > > TRIM-POTS: > > > > Meters: fine-adjustable > > MPX filter: nonexistent > > P/b level: fine-adjustable > > Bias freq: turned to be 86kHz. Range of tolerance: 80-100kHz. No > > adjustment facilty. > > Bias trap (rec.): fine-adjustable > > Bias trap (p/b): nonexistent > > Rec. amp. eq.: nonexistent > > Rec. level: fine-adjustable for both types of tape > > Bias current: Type I -- single variable resistance for both channels; > Type > > II -- two interfering variable capacitances. > > Dolby B: fine-adjustable > > Overall FR: fine-adjustable > > > > IRRITATIONS: > > > > General ugliness. > > Lumbering, spring driven cassette well. When opened one is welcome to > put > > the hands over it to prevent cassette from flying away :)) > > Iron buttons. No less noise is produced while switching from mode to > mode. > > Electromagnet driven headbase producing loud clicks and shocks to the > body. > > Resembles the one of the Nak 600, which is still louder. > > > > OTHERWISE: > > A decent, strangely pleasing in use piece of antique shit. > > > > Thanks for your patience. > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue May 29 11:15:17 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:15:17 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5689@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> By the end of the 3rd alignment night I was about to proceed the same way! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 > > I have to give Nick great credit for his patience in restoring this one. I > got about > two hours into a TCD-300 and then asked my self what on earth I was doing > and > proceeded to sweep the pile of parts and other pieces into the trash! > > Ed > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > Well, Nick, that was a seriously amusing restoration story on the > > Tandberg TCD310 ( I was laughing outloud). Particularly, after mainy > > painstaking hours and careful measurements to arrive at your hilarious > > conclusion, under "OTHERWISE". > > > > It just shows that they could build basically good machines in those > > days. > > > > Marc > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue May 29 14:18:07 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:18:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F568A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Nothing to say - worthwhile notes. BTW, I hope everybody noticed the typing slip I made in my report, namely I said the Wow/Flutter BEFORE being 2.2% and AFTER - 1.1%. In fact it was .22% & .11% respectively. Ain't it possible that such a deep disappointment that guy felt toward Tandberg's general Wow/Flutter index has to do with abnormal "sensitivity" of their older decks to even slightest deviations from the IDEAL transport adjustment? In my case a REALLY proper adjustment reduced this parameter in HALF. Any opinions? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Stager [SMTP:marc at Stager.com] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 > > You might want to have a look at the Absolute Sound review of > the Nak ZX-7, where Cordesman has some interesting things > to say about the 300 and 400 series Tandbergs. > > (No comparison to the later 3014 which was a fabulous machine) > > PDF copy at http://support.naks.com/support/reviews/english/ > login: ktalk / pw: gearmod > > ________________________ Marc Stager > > ================================ > > ... (Tandberg TCD310) ... A decent, strangely pleasing in use piece of > antique shit. > Thanks for your patience. > > Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue May 29 19:04:13 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:04:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010528211423.00a6e3d0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <002d01c0e861$6375a520$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> so, if one could pick up a 3014 for a paltry sum <$100, it would be a good deal for a machine with low hours??? erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue May 29 17:44:16 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:44:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 or 3014 for <$100 In-Reply-To: <002d01c0e861$6375a520$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: Are you asking about 3014 or 310? A low hours 3014 would be an 'excellent' deal for anything <$400. To some, it might be a 'good' deal to pay even more. Typically, these machines go on e-Bay for similar amounts as NAK CR7 or Revox 215. As far as 310 machine, this may be a different story. For example, I would have no interest in this machine at all. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie patsellis Sent: Tue, May 29, 2001 12:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg TCD310 so, if one could pick up a 3014 for a paltry sum <$100, it would be a good deal for a machine with low hours??? erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 29 19:07:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:07:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD Player - in white Message-ID: <002901c0e861$d7b048a0$81299bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, One day left, wish I can still buy from ebay. Currently at $100: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241104345 (needs a little push - lube) and in black, still 4 days to go, also at $100: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241231616 Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 29 20:32:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:32:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) Is it true? The new Toshiba DVD player ... Message-ID: Hi All, Given the vast knowledge of this group, I wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with this DVD player? And, what are the "real" world results? Is it as good as they claim? Since this is an off topic question, please feel free to respond offline. Thanks! -Sam http://www.techtv.com/graphicpopup/0,24224,3329547g_2100098,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 29 20:42:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:42:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD Player - in white References: <002901c0e861$d7b048a0$81299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014b01c0e86f$1a9414a0$153442cf@sank1> The silver one just needs the tray drive belt replaced, which they often do. The black one should be more desirable to you, as it has an ac line voltage selector on the back. It was "gray market" or maybe an Army PX model. And I believe they were about $700 new, not $1500! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD Player - in white > > Hi Nakfellows, > > One day left, wish I can still buy from ebay. Currently at $100: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241104345 > (needs a little push - lube) > > and in black, still 4 days to go, also at $100: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241231616 > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 29 20:46:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:46:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: <41.bffb6c1.28454891@aol.com> Hi All! I've been "bouncing" around a question with a few friends and wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group to help come to an answer recording a few cassette recording techniques. (1) In order to make the best possible cassette recording, do any you advise first playing a blank cassette on both sides to allow the tape to "breath" or achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested this to me, and in all of my years of recording I've never played a cassette just to let it "run" in my machine before recording. (2) Conversely, should you "take up" the slack and tighten a blank cassette before recording? I've done this in the past and I don't know if it helps or actually hurts the tapes performance over time. If I tighten a blank cassette, it will eventually loosen as it is played, so theoretically it is not being recorded in its optimum state? Yes/No? (3) Finally, do any of you advance the leader before recording? I usually just let it run in my machine and then designate where I want the recording to begin by pressing the pause button. I've been working with a group and when recording a lecture series the guy training me always manually advances the cassette to the point where the leader ends and the tape begins and then begins recording. In the past, I've always left a little leader at both the beginning and end of my cassettes. Just curious if there are any benefits to this technique. As always, thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your responses. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 29 20:49:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:49:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nice Maxell XL-II prices... Message-ID: Hi! Just wanted to share a blank media resource with you. I purchased a few packs of 8 Maxell XL-II's from my local Sam's Club for $7.95 + tax. That equates to roughly $1.00 each - that's not bad. So, check out your local Sam's Club or Cosco stores in your area. I did notice a very small selection (approx. 15 packs) vs. pallets of regular Maxell UR cassettes. And, in my area there were no TDK audio cassettes. Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue May 29 21:03:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:03:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK Blank Media Resource Message-ID: For those of you who prefer TDK cassettes, I have been successful finding the higher quality TDK's at my local Tower Records stores. They are usually are few packs and a few singles available when I visit. At Tower, I usually find the MX-S 90/100, and the Type Il "CD Power" flavors. And, there are usually Fuji and Sony Type II at Tower as well. I have also found the TDK "Demo" tapes at the local Guitar Center. I'm sure Sam Ash also carries the same cassette. As I recall from Nak Talkers post in the past, this is the same as the TDK's regular Type II SA cassette, just in odd lengths. There is a 90/110 version available. Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 30 01:26:20 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:26:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) Is it true? The new Toshiba DVD player ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c0e896$c45f6b20$43427bd5@a4s1s2> I read v recently that the planned DVD Audio is going to have data reduction to MP3 standards .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 29 May 2001 19:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) Is it true? The new Toshiba DVD player ... Hi All, Given the vast knowledge of this group, I wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with this DVD player? And, what are the "real" world results? Is it as good as they claim? Since this is an off topic question, please feel free to respond offline. Thanks! -Sam http://www.techtv.com/graphicpopup/0,24224,3329547g_2100098,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 30 01:26:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:26:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD Player - in white In-Reply-To: <002901c0e861$d7b048a0$81299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c0e896$c2603fc0$43427bd5@a4s1s2> Tip for e-Bay fans ... When the seller says USA only, always ask if they will allow bidders from outside - 9 times outta 10 they say yes. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 29 May 2001 18:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak CD Player - in white Hi Nakfellows, One day left, wish I can still buy from ebay. Currently at $100: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241104345 (needs a little push - lube) and in black, still 4 days to go, also at $100: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241231616 Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 30 01:32:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:32:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c0e897$9d39f1e0$43427bd5@a4s1s2> On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What about C100's? Same risks or slightly less? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 30 02:11:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:11:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource References: <000601c0e897$9d39f1e0$43427bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01a901c0e89d$105fd7c0$153442cf@sank1> As far as I know, it is only the C-120's that use a thinner tape base, which is the source of trouble. I know for darn sure that C-100's are safe, but have no confirmation about C-110's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What about > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 30 20:05:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:05:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] This 700ZXE used to be mine! Message-ID: <024a01c0e933$1b517120$153442cf@sank1> Much to my surprise, the guy I sold my 700ZXE to about 8 years ago is now selling it on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1242241825 He has a "buy it now" of only $450 on it, but it will need to come to me for probably $150 worth of repair & calibration. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 30 21:30:13 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:30:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 In-Reply-To: <024a01c0e933$1b517120$153442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000201c0e93e$f2894360$c9e5883e@a4s1s2> Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I suppose means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record deck. The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed another C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed May 30 21:42:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:42:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Message-ID: Hi Graham, What's is your most favorite aspect/function of the ZX-9 to date? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 30 22:08:07 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 References: Message-ID: <003701c0e944$42fd0520$45031fac@brianm> Congrats on your new purchase. I sold one last year in MINT condition. I really liked that deck!!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > Hi Graham, > > What's is your most favorite aspect/function of the ZX-9 to date? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 31 02:02:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:02:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 In-Reply-To: <003701c0e944$42fd0520$45031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001001c0e964$ec0f4900$c9e5883e@a4s1s2> Thanks Brian! This one's condition is very nice. Small scratch in the top but that's it. Even got all the tuning knob covers. This machine was apparently serviced about 9 months ago, and allegedly modified slightly, by some Nak' engineer in Holland. (The modification is supposed to allow the Bias to be pushed a stop higher.) G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 30 May 2001 21:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Congrats on your new purchase. I sold one last year in MINT condition. I really liked that deck!!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > Hi Graham, > > What's is your most favorite aspect/function of the ZX-9 to date? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 31 02:02:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:02:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c0e964$eac11e20$c9e5883e@a4s1s2> I love the way it can be tuned manually and that the replay Eq' is switchable (as it is on my old Aiwa and Superscope C320.) What amazes me is how stable is the sound WITHOUT me giving it a regulated power supply - says a lot for the internal PS components and design. It's so steady you'd think it was running off batteries. G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 30 May 2001 20:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Hi Graham, What's is your most favorite aspect/function of the ZX-9 to date? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 31 03:26:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:26:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 References: <000201c0e93e$f2894360$c9e5883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <006501c0e970$c6006ee0$24299bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham and nakfellows, Excuse me for asking old question again ... don't you think different Nak eq standard got something to do with this more detailed recording heard on Naks ? I also read from some old nak reviews that basf IEC test tape has upward slope on high freqs (also on revox b710, for that matter), but remain flat for most other decks. In 5 yr time your 2 year olds will start having his / her own music tapes ... it will be a true test for your deck, my cr3 failed first month after some 'westlife' abuse all day long. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's > shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a > regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That > old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's > replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings > in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I suppose > means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record > deck. > > The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the > way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed another > C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the > cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu May 31 05:44:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:14:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Message-ID: <20010531034427.D2CC71DFBBB@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Thu May 31 06:58:22 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:58:22 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Message-ID: <002301c0e98e$51f1c1c0$198c9a40@compaq> I have pretty much the same story. The tapes that I recorded on my three head Aiwa ADF-810 sound absoluely wonderful when playing the tapes back on my Nakamichi BX-2. The playback on the BX-2 is smoother, quieter, better bass response, and has more detailed and realistic sounding music. Although I'm still in search for a Dragon or CR-7 or something w/ auto azimuth. I have close to 500 home recorded cassettes. You Nakers who know what I'm talkin' about can understand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's > shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a > regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That > old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's > replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings > in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I suppose > means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record > deck. > > The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the > way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed another > C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the > cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks in advance for any help, sorry if this is off topic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu May 31 14:56:21 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:56:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? Message-ID: Hi everyone and apologies for the off-topic message. I just got a call from a friend in a software company who told me that supposedly the file "sulfnbk.exe" in the Windows\Command directory (those on Linux can stop reading and delete -:) is a bad virus which will self-activate at 00:00h tomorrow, i.e. June 1st 2001. The latest Norton shows "no viruses" when scanning the file and says only that it contains compressed files. The solution recommended is to delete this file, incl. from the trash. I don't know exactly what this virus is supposed to do, but all around me people seem to be frantically deleting this file. Anyone else heard about it or will it turn out a hoax ? Maybe someone having this file and living in a place where it's already June 1st could tell ? Or couldn't - if it's true ? Take care George _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Thu May 31 15:21:20 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:21:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] No virus Message-ID: <200105311321.f4VDLK819297@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Sorry guys, our Naktalker George discovered this bad hoax cruising through the web at the moment. The program he mentioned is definitely part of the Windows 9x system environment, so do NOT delete it. It is used to restore long file names . . . If you like you can read the article of German magazin c't which presented this message today: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/pab-31.05.01-000/ Don't panic even if you use Outlook within Windows ;-)) Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Ferienklick.de - Jede Menge Urlaub auf einen Blick! Hier geht's zu Ihrem Traumstrand: http://ferienklick.de/?PP=2-0-100-105-1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Thu May 31 15:32:48 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:32:48 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010601012445.024006e0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, This virus warning is a hoax. The file that it asks you delete is the one that Windows uses for long file names...therefore you will damage your Windows installation if you delete it. The Symantec site: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html has useful information. Hope this is of help Brett --------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 15:56 31/05/2001 +0300, you wrote: >Hi everyone and apologies for the off-topic message. > >I just got a call from a friend in a software company who told me that >supposedly the file "sulfnbk.exe" in the Windows\Command directory (those >on Linux can stop reading and delete -:) is a bad virus which will >self-activate at 00:00h tomorrow, i.e. June 1st 2001. The latest Norton >shows "no viruses" when scanning the file and says only that it contains >compressed files. The solution recommended is to delete this file, incl. >from the trash. I don't know exactly what this virus is supposed to do, >but all around me people seem to be frantically deleting this file. Anyone >else heard about it or will it turn out a hoax ? Maybe someone having this >file and living in a place where it's already June 1st could tell ? Or >couldn't - if it's true ? > >Take care > >George >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu May 31 15:34:07 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:34:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5690@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks a lot, George!!! I've just found the bitch in the windows\command folder and deleted it. I suspected something bad since the day I had received a message from some unknown guy, whereafter my PC crashed (no significant aftermath though). When I started it again my Trend OfficeScan came up with the suggestion there was a virus. I checked everything, but didn't find anything suspicious. Thank you one more time! You've come right on time with your warning!! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:56 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? > > Hi everyone and apologies for the off-topic message. > > I just got a call from a friend in a software company who told me that > supposedly the file "sulfnbk.exe" in the Windows\Command directory (those > on > Linux can stop reading and delete -:) is a bad virus which will > self-activate at 00:00h tomorrow, i.e. June 1st 2001. The latest Norton > shows "no viruses" when scanning the file and says only that it contains > compressed files. The solution recommended is to delete this file, incl. > from the trash. I don't know exactly what this virus is supposed to do, > but > all around me people seem to be frantically deleting this file. Anyone > else > heard about it or will it turn out a hoax ? Maybe someone having this file > > and living in a place where it's already June 1st could tell ? Or couldn't > - > if it's true ? > > Take care > > George > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu May 31 15:56:32 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:56:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? References: Message-ID: <5F54E496.189381C8.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, George, It's a hoax. Do not delete the file! http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu May 31 16:02:57 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:02:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] No virus Message-ID: Thanks, Klaus, glad I decided first to check it out with you guys. This group is great ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Klaus Fendt" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "nak" Subject: [naktalk] No virus Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:21:20 +0200 Sorry guys, our Naktalker George discovered this bad hoax cruising through the web at the moment. The program he mentioned is definitely part of the Windows 9x system environment, so do NOT delete it. It is used to restore long file names . . . If you like you can read the article of German magazin c't which presented this message today: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/pab-31.05.01-000/ Don't panic even if you use Outlook within Windows ;-)) Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Ferienklick.de - Jede Menge Urlaub auf einen Blick! Hier geht's zu Ihrem Traumstrand: http://ferienklick.de/?PP=2-0-100-105-1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu May 31 16:12:19 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:12:19 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 + SOME MORE Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5692@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Not quite in the vein of the Gra's acquisition (congratulations, buddy!), but based upon his memories of a non-Nak deck, I would like to ask the collective wisdom of the group a question, that may seem way too plain or way too vast do discuss to some people though. Nevertheless, I believe the question to be of some real interest to all of us. The story goes... Yesterday I met an old acquaintance of mine, who owns a Pioneer CT-S920S. As usually, our friendly chat proceeded into the channel of superiority of Naks over all other tape decks and stuff. That guy is not one of those opinionated, biased or simply deafened to other people's opinions. He sincerely wants to comprehend, what's so special to Naks in comparison with his beloved (hi-grade, as he thinks) Pioneer? He wants me to thoroughly prove to him, what would make him willing to sell his 920 and rather get a simpliest Nak? He even asked me to take his Pioneer for a while and make sort of comprehensive comparative analysis of that machine with any 3-head Nak of my choice (rather an average one, as I claim any average Nak will beat any Top-model of other manufacturers). In short, the question is: How to demonstratively prove to someone -- whose goal is to really understand, not to just argue for a while -- that Nak is the best way to go? Is there anything there that can be pointed at primarily? Does it make any sense to compare purely technical data, diagrams, oscillograms etc.? Or does the subject dwell in the realm of pure Audiophila, where good parameters do not always speak of good quality? IMHO, the latter way of explanations is much less desired, because many people out there hate all those "astral" matters, as it often and absolutely groundless makes them "deaf" or stupid in the eyes of those, who allegedly do "hear". Not that I don't know what to say, but I would really like to know, what do other Naktalkers think of the issue? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's > shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a > regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That > old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's > replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings > in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I > suppose > means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record > deck. > > The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the > way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed > another > C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the > cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu May 31 16:37:30 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:37:30 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] No virus Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5693@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I concur. Just restored the file. Never know, what to expect from those viruses though... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:03 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] No virus > > Thanks, Klaus, glad I decided first to check it out with you guys. This > group is great ! > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Klaus Fendt" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "nak" > Subject: [naktalk] No virus > Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:21:20 +0200 > > Sorry guys, > > our Naktalker George discovered this bad hoax cruising through the web at > the moment. > The program he mentioned is definitely part of the Windows 9x system > environment, so do NOT delete it. > It is used to restore long file names . . . > > If you like you can read the article of German magazin c't which presented > > this message today: > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/pab-31.05.01-000/ > > Don't panic even if you use Outlook within Windows ;-)) > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > __________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Ferienklick.de - Jede Menge Urlaub auf einen Blick! > Hier geht's zu Ihrem Traumstrand: http://ferienklick.de/?PP=2-0-100-105-1 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu May 31 18:06:16 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:06:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is a hoax. That is a file used by windows. Don't delete it. If you do, past it back. Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:56 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? > > > Hi everyone and apologies for the off-topic message. > > I just got a call from a friend in a software company who told me that > supposedly the file "sulfnbk.exe" in the Windows\Command > directory (those on > Linux can stop reading and delete -:) is a bad virus which will > self-activate at 00:00h tomorrow, i.e. June 1st 2001. The latest Norton > shows "no viruses" when scanning the file and says only that it contains > compressed files. The solution recommended is to delete this file, incl. > from the trash. I don't know exactly what this virus is supposed > to do, but > all around me people seem to be frantically deleting this file. > Anyone else > heard about it or will it turn out a hoax ? Maybe someone having > this file > and living in a place where it's already June 1st could tell ? Or > couldn't - > if it's true ? > > Take care > > George > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Thu May 31 18:13:23 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:13:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 + SOME MORE References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5692@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001b01c0e9ec$9ed3acc0$cbacf7a5@knowledgehammer> Nick, Try starting with some of he nak strong points and music material selected to highlight the possible differences ( to the better ) that a nak can make : examples 1. deepest bass - symphonic or synthesized bass - something with very low tones and good impact highest treble - jazz - lots of cymbal work and synth treble sounds 2. wow/flutter and scrape noise - jazz or classical - solo piano with quiet spots and naturally decaying notes 3. distortion - bump up max recording level untill distortion is noticeable it should ( may ) show that higher levels are available without distortion on the nak 4. meter response - usually nak meters give a truer indication of input level reguardless of frequency - use tones of 20hz, 50hz,100hz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz 5. input/output stages - before overload - usually naks will accept more extreme input levels and provide more max output before distorting 6. dolby tracking - compare recordings to source with dolby b,c the nak will usually "change" the sound less - little or no loss of highs and deepest bass and less general muddying ( lack of overall clarity ) of sound. 7. spacial cues - best done with naturally miked material - the nak should retain more of the feeling of being there - a less artificial sound overall with good info given to the ears about width, depth and sometimes height of the " sound space " just my two cents stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 + SOME MORE > Not quite in the vein of the Gra's acquisition (congratulations, buddy!), > but based upon his memories of a non-Nak deck, I would like to ask the > collective wisdom of the group a question, that may seem way too plain or > way too vast do discuss to some people though. Nevertheless, I believe the > question to be of some real interest to all of us. The story goes... > > Yesterday I met an old acquaintance of mine, who owns a Pioneer CT-S920S. As > usually, our friendly chat proceeded into the channel of superiority of Naks > over all other tape decks and stuff. That guy is not one of those > opinionated, biased or simply deafened to other people's opinions. He > sincerely wants to comprehend, what's so special to Naks in comparison with > his beloved (hi-grade, as he thinks) Pioneer? He wants me to thoroughly > prove to him, what would make him willing to sell his 920 and rather get a > simpliest Nak? He even asked me to take his Pioneer for a while and make > sort of comprehensive comparative analysis of that machine with any 3-head > Nak of my choice (rather an average one, as I claim any average Nak will > beat any Top-model of other manufacturers). > > In short, the question is: How to demonstratively prove to someone -- whose > goal is to really understand, not to just argue for a while -- that Nak is > the best way to go? Is there anything there that can be pointed at > primarily? Does it make any sense to compare purely technical data, > diagrams, oscillograms etc.? Or does the subject dwell in the realm of pure > Audiophila, where good parameters do not always speak of good quality? IMHO, > the latter way of explanations is much less desired, because many people out > there hate all those "astral" matters, as it often and absolutely groundless > makes them "deaf" or stupid in the eyes of those, who allegedly do "hear". > > Not that I don't know what to say, but I would really like to know, what do > other Naktalkers think of the issue? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > > > Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's > > shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a > > regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That > > old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's > > replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings > > in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I > > suppose > > means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record > > deck. > > > > The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the > > way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed > > another > > C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the > > cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! > > > > Graham > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RKunst at C-K.com Thu May 31 18:11:12 2001 From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:11:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? Message-ID: <4D2418515288D111B6D100805FBBC1BF024DEBD4@CHIEXCH> This is a hoax! > ---------- > From: George Valkov > Reply To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:56 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Virus ???? > > Hi everyone and apologies for the off-topic message. > > I just got a call from a friend in a software company who told me that > supposedly the file "sulfnbk.exe" in the Windows\Command directory (those > on > Linux can stop reading and delete -:) is a bad virus which will > self-activate at 00:00h tomorrow, i.e. June 1st 2001. The latest Norton > shows "no viruses" when scanning the file and says only that it contains > compressed files. The solution recommended is to delete this file, incl. > from the trash. I don't know exactly what this virus is supposed to do, > but > all around me people seem to be frantically deleting this file. Anyone > else > heard about it or will it turn out a hoax ? Maybe someone having this file > > and living in a place where it's already June 1st could tell ? Or couldn't > - > if it's true ? > > Take care > > George > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Thu May 31 22:18:25 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:18:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 + SOME MORE References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5692@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B16A711.A170B678@snip.net> Nick, there is a simple way to demonstrate NAK superiority (and the quality of any other really good cassette deck or reel-to-reel machine), but it assumes you have a good quality system on which the differences can be demonstrated). First, I am assuming that you have a good turntable, arm and cartridge (of the quality where, when you compare the record to the CD, you hear the difference--and it's usually not subtle). Next make a cassette on both machines of a good (hopefully audiophile quality) record, one which let's you hear space, imaging, soundstage, aliveness, etc.--you name it. (Make sure you wait at least 10-12 hours between tapings, to eliminate "vinyl fatigue" from the comparison.) Then Play the non-NAK cassette on the non-NAK machine at a good listening level and A-B it against the original source using the source monitor switch on the pre-amp and being careful to match playback levels Then do the same for the Nak-recorded cassette played back on the NAK. If the NAK is superior, you will easily be able to hear that the Nak-recorded cassette is more faithful to the original source, and my experience is that the NAK will capture a great deal of the audiophile qualities mentioned above--space, imaging, soundstage, aliveness, etc. What you will have done after this comparison is to have compared the ability of each deck, after the full record playback process, to recreate the original source--and isn't this what it is all about. Also the only variable in each comparison, will be the record-playback capabilities of each deck. You cannot do this with headphones unless you have a separate, outboard headphone setup (like the Stax electrostatics or a GRADO/Headroom combination, and even then it's not as good as good quality speakers unless your hearing ability has fallen off with age) because otherwise the headphone circuitry of each deck or of your preamp or receiver enters into the equation and they are generally uniformly lousy and "lose" much of what you are trying to compare. Let me know how it goes. Best, Smoky Igritski Nick wrote: > Not quite in the vein of the Gra's acquisition (congratulations, buddy!), > but based upon his memories of a non-Nak deck, I would like to ask the > collective wisdom of the group a question, that may seem way too plain or > way too vast do discuss to some people though. Nevertheless, I believe the > question to be of some real interest to all of us. The story goes... > > Yesterday I met an old acquaintance of mine, who owns a Pioneer CT-S920S. As > usually, our friendly chat proceeded into the channel of superiority of Naks > over all other tape decks and stuff. That guy is not one of those > opinionated, biased or simply deafened to other people's opinions. He > sincerely wants to comprehend, what's so special to Naks in comparison with > his beloved (hi-grade, as he thinks) Pioneer? He wants me to thoroughly > prove to him, what would make him willing to sell his 920 and rather get a > simpliest Nak? He even asked me to take his Pioneer for a while and make > sort of comprehensive comparative analysis of that machine with any 3-head > Nak of my choice (rather an average one, as I claim any average Nak will > beat any Top-model of other manufacturers). > > In short, the question is: How to demonstratively prove to someone -- whose > goal is to really understand, not to just argue for a while -- that Nak is > the best way to go? Is there anything there that can be pointed at > primarily? Does it make any sense to compare purely technical data, > diagrams, oscillograms etc.? Or does the subject dwell in the realm of pure > Audiophila, where good parameters do not always speak of good quality? IMHO, > the latter way of explanations is much less desired, because many people out > there hate all those "astral" matters, as it often and absolutely groundless > makes them "deaf" or stupid in the eyes of those, who allegedly do "hear". > > Not that I don't know what to say, but I would really like to know, what do > other Naktalkers think of the issue? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > > > Well ... everyone said I'd be delighted with my ZX9 ... One thing that's > > shocked me is that some tapes I made on my old Aiwa AD1800 (using a > > regulated power supply) at least 10 years ago sound fabulous on it! That > > old Aiwa certainly recorded a whole lot better than I realised - pity it's > > replay wasn't to the same standard. Indeed, the ZX9 is revealing failings > > in the performance rather than in the recording of the Aiwa, which I > > suppose > > means that old machine did a very good job when it recorded off the record > > deck. > > > > The ZX9 is still sat in the "second" system ... but that's well out of the > > way of my 2 year olds destructive hands .... one of them just killed > > another > > C90 tape today ... they get a kick out of pulling the tape from the > > cassettes .... Methinks they may not live to be three!! > > > > Graham > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From imemine2 at worldnet.att.net Thu May 31 23:26:54 2001 From: imemine2 at worldnet.att.net (J Chojnowski) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:26:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Message-ID: <3B16B71E.26C9C04C@worldnet.att.net> Hi all, I am new to the list and remember reading something regarding the replacment of all of the Orange Capacitors in all Nak decks.� From what I have determined my ancient 581 does have a few orange electrolytic caps and other electrolytic cap. 1) What is the problem with the orange caps? 2) Do I replace all electrolytics or only the orange ones?�� 3) Do I replace with current new electroltic or green Matsushita polyesters? This old nak is not what it use to be and my not be in the same class as the others decks discussed, but it has become part of me and I do want to keep it and get it purring again.� Besides it is a NAK Any help would be appreciated. joe C ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-6.txt ************************************************************************ From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 1 01:25:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:25:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <3B16B71E.26C9C04C@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <037d01c0ea29$0af71ea0$153442cf@sank1> It is the orange film caps, not the orange electrolytics, that are the source of trouble. They have been failing very often in erase oscillators for years, but in the last two years, I have seen them start to fail in all areas of Naks. ANY other polyester film cap will be better, but the green Matsushita's are about the best around that are commonly available. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Chojnowski" To: "naktalk at nak,com" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > Hi all, > > I am new to the list and remember reading something regarding the > replacment of all of the Orange Capacitors in all Nak decks. From what > I have determined my ancient 581 does have a few orange electrolytic > caps and other electrolytic cap. > > 1) What is the problem with the orange caps? > 2) Do I replace all electrolytics or only the orange ones? > 3) Do I replace with current new electroltic or green Matsushita > polyesters? > > This old nak is not what it use to be and my not be in the same class as > the others decks discussed, but it has become part of me and I do want > to keep it and get it purring again. Besides it is a NAK Any help would > be appreciated. > > joe C > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 1 01:25:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:25:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 In-Reply-To: <006501c0e970$c6006ee0$24299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c0ea28$f1f17ae0$2bdc883e@a4s1s2> Hi Salim See below: -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 31 May 2001 02:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Hi Graham and nakfellows, Excuse me for asking old question again ... don't you think different Nak eq standard got something to do with this more detailed recording heard on Naks ? I also read from some old nak reviews that basf IEC test tape has upward slope on high freqs (also on revox b710, for that matter), but remain flat for most other decks. I don't feel qualified to answer and prefer tp let one of the engineer/experts respond. In 5 yr time your 2 year olds will start having his / her own music tapes ... it will be a true test for your deck, my cr3 failed first month after some 'westlife' abuse all day long. Westlife? That is abuse!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jun 1 01:50:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:50:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <3B16B71E.26C9C04C@worldnet.att.net> <037d01c0ea29$0af71ea0$153442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01d501c0ea2c$6ed16090$11756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Yo! Stephen any more word on the B760 yet? Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > It is the orange film caps, not the orange electrolytics, that are the > source of trouble. They have been failing very often in erase oscillators > for years, but in the last two years, I have seen them start to fail in all > areas of Naks. ANY other polyester film cap will be better, but the green > Matsushita's are about the best around that are commonly available. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Chojnowski" > To: "naktalk at nak,com" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to the list and remember reading something regarding the > > replacment of all of the Orange Capacitors in all Nak decks. From what > > I have determined my ancient 581 does have a few orange electrolytic > > caps and other electrolytic cap. > > > > 1) What is the problem with the orange caps? > > 2) Do I replace all electrolytics or only the orange ones? > > 3) Do I replace with current new electroltic or green Matsushita > > polyesters? > > > > This old nak is not what it use to be and my not be in the same class as > > the others decks discussed, but it has become part of me and I do want > > to keep it and get it purring again. Besides it is a NAK Any help would > > be appreciated. > > > > joe C > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 05:54:40 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:24:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem Message-ID: <20010601035440.7052D1DFB60@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 06:05:04 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:35:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs Nak Message-ID: <20010601040504.84FDA1DFB30@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 06:13:37 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:43:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs Nak Message-ID: <20010601041337.D6FCA1DFB27@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 06:29:19 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:59:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD700 ? Message-ID: <20010601042919.2D5AB1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From autofile at TheAutophile.com Fri Jun 1 06:36:47 2001 From: autofile at TheAutophile.com (Peter Lufrano) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:36:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD700 ? In-Reply-To: <20010601042919.2D5AB1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> References: <20010601042919.2D5AB1DFB9F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: The CD700 is Naks top car unit........ >he following item Nak CD700 bid reaching over 1100 USD in ebay. I >have not heard about this machine! >Any idea about this >Meanwhile wufwufl news : he bought the Dragon latest CD player in >ebay paying over 5000USD! >Kannan > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241547776 > >description >The CD700 is the top of the line of Nakamichi CD players...possibly >of any CD player made. This deck features a 24 bit D/A converter and >retails for almost $1800.00. it doesn't get any better than this. >This one is BRAND NEW, never used, in box! >========------------------------------------------------------------- >-----========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------- >-----========= Peter Lufrano -Owner The Autophile http://www.TheAutophile.com Exclusive United States Distributor Brax & Helix Reference Quality Car Audio Components, Meticulously Crafted in Germany by Audiotec Fischer Dealer Inquiries Welcome ***High End Car Audio!*** *a/d/s/*Dynaudio*Focal*Brax*Helix*Nakamichi* Genesis* *Kimber Kable*Milbert*CDT Audio*Velodyne* ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Jun 1 07:07:23 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:07:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak In-Reply-To: <20010601041029.E92CE1DFB3C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 07:14:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:44:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] many postings from my mail id Message-ID: <20010601051454.77B631DFB42@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 1 08:53:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:53:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem References: <20010601035440.7052D1DFB60@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <040401c0ea67$8e2822e0$153442cf@sank1> That is a good point, Kannan. It's a good idea to get rid of ALL orange polyester caps, but only if you are experienced & have finesse with soldering/desoldering, so as to keep the circuit foils in good condition. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > You can see Stephen's reply regarding Orange caps. My experienece with 582 is that it had problem only in Bias oscillator part while my dragon had orange cap problems all over the machine! My BX300 had fewer problems. > > Orange Cap ( polyester capacitors only) problems may be present on later machines but not the earlier ones - excepting severe pulse duty area like the erase oscillator part . It is better to replace only if you suspect problems in older machines as you may inadvertantly damage PCB or other components during replacements and that could cause newer problems! > Nak as it is sounding excellent, sometime it is better to leave till you notice problems, though > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: J Chojnowski > To: naktalk at nak,com > Date: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:34 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Cap Problem > > > >Hi all, > > > >I am new to the list and remember reading something regarding the > >replacment of all of the Orange Capacitors in all Nak decks. From what > >I have determined my ancient 581 does have a few orange electrolytic > >caps and other electrolytic cap. > > > >1) What is the problem with the orange caps? > >2) Do I replace all electrolytics or only the orange ones? > >3) Do I replace with current new electroltic or green Matsushita > >polyesters? > > > >This old nak is not what it use to be and my not be in the same class as > >the others decks discussed, but it has become part of me and I do want > >to keep it and get it purring again. Besides it is a NAK Any help would > >be appreciated. > > > >joe C > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Are there spares for this unit available - i.e. of the usual stuff that suffers from wear and tear. 5. Did it have the genuine Nakamichi transport mechanism? 6. Any quirks or quiddities that I should know about? 7. Performance comparison wise, would it be the equal of or close to the ZX7/9, Nak 700ZXL, or....what....... I see it has different head codes to the CR series. Are they still the triple-layer precision laminated crystalloy heads? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks very much! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 1 12:07:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:07:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c0ea82$9b710fa0$3bd0893e@a4s1s2> Hi Stan I shall eventually get around to head-to-head listening test with the ZX9 and a Pioneer CTS830S, which was the next down sibling to the CT-95 (assuming I can afford to hang on to he ZX9!) It will, however, only be that - a listening test. You said that decks like the Dragon CR7 and ZX9 have an advantage in that they have adjustable azimuth for playback. Am I missing something because I can only find the azimuth adjustable for recording on the ZX9? By the way, supposedly one advantage of the CT830S over it's big brother is a "BLX" circuit that, when switched in, is supposed to adjust the equalisation (I think) of the music to match a predetermine template which is supposed to represent 99% of live performances. Thus, if the azi' is slightly off on the tape you put in (because it was recorded on another machine) this circuit is supposed to compensate for it in terms of the sound coming out of the machine. I have to say, it works damned well with some of my oldest cassettes that had otherwise become to sound rather dull on the old Aiwa (tapes which I probably won't allow near the Nak!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: 01 June 2001 06:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 1 13:16:53 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:16:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak References: <000401c0ea82$9b710fa0$3bd0893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B1779A5.B82AF566@sunint.co.za> Hi Graham I must say that I also find the FLEX circuitry very clever and effective where the recording no longer matches the theoretical 1/f frequency curve. I'm not a fundi, technically, but I assume the restoration factor which is based on a fixed algorithm (frequencies, amplitude etc) is more accurate than playtrim(Yamaha, NAD), accutrim(Onkyo). But, on the other hand, non-aligned playback azimuth can only be properly addressed by adjusting/aligning the PB head to most accurately read the tape. So, these other interventions are all trying to do the same thing(restore lost high-frequency detail), but more cheaply (i.e. electronically and not via a super-clever transport). Just my half cents worth, which I fully expect Stephen, Kannan, and other esteemed Naktalkers to comprehensively dismantle!!! But, I really look forward to the results of your listening comparisons. Cheers, MARC Graham Nelson wrote: > Hi Stan > > I shall eventually get around to head-to-head listening test with the ZX9 > and a Pioneer CTS830S, which was the next down sibling to the CT-95 > (assuming I can afford to hang on to he ZX9!) It will, however, only be > that - a listening test. > > You said that decks like the Dragon CR7 and ZX9 have an advantage in that > they have adjustable azimuth for playback. Am I missing something because I > can only find the azimuth adjustable for recording on the ZX9? > > By the way, supposedly one advantage of the CT830S over it's big brother is > a "BLX" circuit that, when switched in, is supposed to adjust the > equalisation (I think) of the music to match a predetermine template which > is supposed to represent 99% of live performances. Thus, if the azi' is > slightly off on the tape you put in (because it was recorded on another > machine) this circuit is supposed to compensate for it in terms of the sound > coming out of the machine. I have to say, it works damned well with some of > my oldest cassettes that had otherwise become to sound rather dull on the > old Aiwa (tapes which I probably won't allow near the Nak!) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stan Targowski > Sent: 01 June 2001 06:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak > > I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 > tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker > system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). > > The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz > (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. > > On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the > tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, > especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. > > The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are > probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback > azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that > the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more > advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. > > On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is > hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. > > Stan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 1 13:20:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:50:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682ZX Message-ID: <20010601112027.A39BA1DFB34@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 1 14:24:49 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:24:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682ZX Message-ID: <3B178991.E76BDB97@sunint.co.za> Dear Kannan, Thank you for much valued input. Regards, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Jun 1 14:47:18 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:47:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak References: <000401c0ea82$9b710fa0$3bd0893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008001c0ea98$ffd8c9e0$06031fac@brianm> > You said that decks like the Dragon CR7 and ZX9 have an advantage in that > they have adjustable azimuth for playback. Am I missing something because I > can only find the azimuth adjustable for recording on the ZX9? You are not missing anything Graham, there is none for playback. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak > Hi Stan > > I shall eventually get around to head-to-head listening test with the ZX9 > and a Pioneer CTS830S, which was the next down sibling to the CT-95 > (assuming I can afford to hang on to he ZX9!) It will, however, only be > that - a listening test. > > You said that decks like the Dragon CR7 and ZX9 have an advantage in that > they have adjustable azimuth for playback. Am I missing something because I > can only find the azimuth adjustable for recording on the ZX9? > > By the way, supposedly one advantage of the CT830S over it's big brother is > a "BLX" circuit that, when switched in, is supposed to adjust the > equalisation (I think) of the music to match a predetermine template which > is supposed to represent 99% of live performances. Thus, if the azi' is > slightly off on the tape you put in (because it was recorded on another > machine) this circuit is supposed to compensate for it in terms of the sound > coming out of the machine. I have to say, it works damned well with some of > my oldest cassettes that had otherwise become to sound rather dull on the > old Aiwa (tapes which I probably won't allow near the Nak!) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stan Targowski > Sent: 01 June 2001 06:07 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak > > > I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 > tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker > system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). > > The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz > (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. > > On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the > tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, > especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. > > The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are > probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback > azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that > the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more > advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. > > On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is > hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. > > Stan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 1 14:56:08 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:56:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak References: Message-ID: <3B1790E8.4BF2DE26@sunint.co.za> Hi Stan, Does your Pioneer CT-95 have a pressure pad lifter? I once read (in an item description on e-bay) that a CT-93 Elite had such a lifter..... This I thought was exclusive to Nakamichi. But on the other hand, perhaps like may sellers on e-bay, he/she was making extravagant claims. I have little doubt that their Reference Master Mechanism would be up to the task, so to speak. They (Pioneer decks)do have a particular sonic balance that, either one enjoys or alternatively, it may not be one's cup of tea. I would describe it an 'upfront' delivery with vocals, a slight glare in the upper midrange. I am at peace with it, but some listeners find they have to turn to the big "N" without delay !!!!!! I find it to be one of the those irreconcilable, recurring 'taste' items that surface from time to time. The other one I can think of is the occasionally smearing of transients when employing Dolby (C mainly) vs not using it at all. Maybe I'm just a klutz setting up levels. Nice systems you have, by the way. What cartridge/arm are you using on the Linn? Regards, Marc Stan Targowski wrote: > I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 > tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker > system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). > > The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz > (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. > > On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the > tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, > especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. > > The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are > probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback > azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that > the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more > advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. > > On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is > hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. > > Stan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Jun 1 16:12:35 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:12:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak In-Reply-To: <3B1790E8.4BF2DE26@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: CT93/95 pressure pad lifter question - here is the quote from the brochure for CT93 "the pad pressure release head and the new cassette stabilizer ensure close contact ...". The CT95 and Levinson/KEF system was unfortunately not mine - I brought over my deck to a friend's house. (I wish). I have the lesser Adcom/Mirage system with CR4 - which is still pretty well sounding one. My mistake, about playback azimuth control in ZX9 - sorry for the confusion. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: Fri, June 01, 2001 7:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: SOME MORE/ Pioneer vs. Nak Hi Stan, Does your Pioneer CT-95 have a pressure pad lifter? I once read (in an item description on e-bay) that a CT-93 Elite had such a lifter..... This I thought was exclusive to Nakamichi. But on the other hand, perhaps like may sellers on e-bay, he/she was making extravagant claims. I have little doubt that their Reference Master Mechanism would be up to the task, so to speak. They (Pioneer decks)do have a particular sonic balance that, either one enjoys or alternatively, it may not be one's cup of tea. I would describe it an 'upfront' delivery with vocals, a slight glare in the upper midrange. I am at peace with it, but some listeners find they have to turn to the big "N" without delay !!!!!! I find it to be one of the those irreconcilable, recurring 'taste' items that surface from time to time. The other one I can think of is the occasionally smearing of transients when employing Dolby (C mainly) vs not using it at all. Maybe I'm just a klutz setting up levels. Nice systems you have, by the way. What cartridge/arm are you using on the Linn? Regards, Marc Stan Targowski wrote: I tried my Nak CR4A against Pioneer CT-95. We used SONY Metal Master ($10 tapes) and TDK SM-X tapes. Mark Levinson amplification and KEF speaker system, using MIT interconnects (MIT 2). The source was a SONY XA-7ES CD and Linn turntable. The music was jazz (Diana Krall), Techno (Yello), Classic (Mozart Telarc Disc), etc. On Metal tapes, it was virtually impossible to recognize Pioneer from the tape. On TDK type II tapes CR4 was getting better. Between the two decks, especially on metal, CT-95 was a better deck to listen to. The bottom line is the azimuth control. Decks like Dragon, CR7, ZX9 are probably superior to anything else, because you can adjust the playback azimuth. For recording and playback on the same deck, I strongly feel that the high end Dolby S decks, like CT-95 (aka Pioneer CT1100S) are more advanced than the NAKS. Sorry, just the listening experience. On my more modest Adcom 565 series equipment with Mirage OM6 speakers it is hard to tell the difference. On Levinson/KEF it does not take a genius. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jun 1 20:46:22 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:46:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day References: <004201c0eabd$550fef00$71299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, If this one has dead laser - Sony KSS123 - than it's dead without hope to be alive one day. I've been searching for this laser for two years with no luck. Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) Misha >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241059685 > >Shipping cost to jakarta is more expensive. > >Cheers, >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 1 20:28:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:28:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day References: <004201c0eabd$550fef00$71299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000d01c0eac8$abc13a60$9a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Misha, I believe Stephen said this one uses NEC 'head' while 7AII uses Sony KSS, but maybe I got it switched. Stephen, you said that 7AII is preferable to MB2, what about the original 7 ? Does it 'sound better' than MB2 (and MB1s :-) ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > Hi Salim, > > If this one has dead laser - Sony KSS123 - than it's dead without hope to > be alive one day. I've been searching for this laser for two years with no luck. > Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) > > Misha > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 1 21:09:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:09:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day References: <004201c0eabd$550fef00$71299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c0eac8$abc13a60$9a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <04da01c0eace$613b1b40$153442cf@sank1> You are correct. The original OMS5/7 use an NEC laser, which is still find-able, while the -II players use the KSS-123A, which is a bitch to find. The former use early 14-bit Philips DAC's, so they are rather dead sounding, but polite. The MB series players are, IMO, inferior to the -II OMS players due to component downgrading compared the the CDPlayer series. Mainly in the power supplies. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > > Hi Misha, > > I believe Stephen said this one uses NEC 'head' while 7AII uses Sony KSS, > but maybe I got it switched. Stephen, you said that 7AII is preferable to > MB2, what about the original 7 ? Does it 'sound better' than MB2 (and MB1s > :-) ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > If this one has dead laser - Sony KSS123 - than it's dead without hope to > > be alive one day. I've been searching for this laser for two years with no > luck. > > Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) > > > > Misha > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I've been searching for this laser for two years with no luck. > Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) > > Misha > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241059685 > > > >Shipping cost to jakarta is more expensive. > > > >Cheers, > >Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bear in mind that the OMS-3, 4 & 5II all used the same Sony laser. > I'm trying to find out which other players did. > > Cheers, Sinclair. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Mironov > To: > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > If this one has dead laser - Sony KSS123 - than it's dead without hope to > > be alive one day. I've been searching for this laser for two years with no > luck. > > Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) > > > > Misha > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241059685 > > > > > >Shipping cost to jakarta is more expensive. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat Jun 2 00:23:22 2001 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:23:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day References: <004201c0eabd$550fef00$71299bca@smarzuki> <000b01c0eace$c4df3960$2f8fe2c3@a9u3z8> <030601c0ead2$d6b260a0$91853604@D9569601> Message-ID: <000b01c0eae9$786776e0$be8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Bad luck, Tiberius. I had an OMS1 for some time, which I got second hand and it was fine. A friend of mine has it now and it seems to be working okay. Sinclair. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tiberius Gaius To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > my oms 1 ate a cd and it would not open up...last oms I ever bought > > carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sinclair Forrest" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > > > > Hi, > > > > I have taken a risk and bought an OMS-7II for not a lot of money. Super > > sound. Bear in mind that the OMS-3, 4 & 5II all used the same Sony laser. > > I'm trying to find out which other players did. > > > > Cheers, Sinclair. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Mironov > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FYI non working OMS 7 for $27 ... last day > > > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > If this one has dead laser - Sony KSS123 - than it's dead without hope > to > > > be alive one day. I've been searching for this laser for two years with > no > > luck. > > > Oh, it may be a good one for display ;-) > > > > > > Misha > > > > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241059685 > > > > > > > >Shipping cost to jakarta is more expensive. > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 3 21:19:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 02:19:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? Message-ID: <002201c0ec64$c52820c0$bb289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, Nak claims that its HTA amps combine SS's bass punch with tube like highs, what's collective wisdom's opinion on this ? After reading so many positive notes on audioreview, I finally have the guts to replace my 'tv set' yamaha 890 with nak's AV2s ... and the change is a bit extreme. Music (2ch) was lifeless through yamaha and really "kickin" with relatively modest AV2. Looking inside, there's nothing to be proud of, compared to yamaha's built (copper bars etc), also nak's tiny tooner board looks ridiculous. I wonder if HTA still bear some of that nak magic ? It is really saddening to read from those reviews how nak actually killed itself by downgrading on almost every built aspect - remote control, lcd display, even rca plugs ! (more than one review had rca jacks pulled off). Compare that with nad which produced a lemon c540 cd player but immediately replaced it with c541 that addressed almost every weakness of previous model. If only .... Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 3 21:20:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 02:20:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Serial to parallel device Message-ID: <002301c0ec64$c86dd5e0$bb289bca@smarzuki> Hello Naktechies, :-) Does anybody use RC-4 serial to parallel converter for use with Nak remote ? I'm using RE-1 receiver which can control older decks (CR ... ) through this converter. Is it still possible to buy one ? Or does it look easy enough to build one yourself ? Any info is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 3 22:36:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 14:36:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? References: <002201c0ec64$c52820c0$bb289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c0ec6c$def69920$123442cf@sank1> The only good thing about the "HTA" amps( a meaningless name, of course), is that the amp circuits were very simple & direct, so they did sound better than pretty much every other competing receiver. AV-1/2/etc. receivers did not have the same amps, though, as they were OEM from, I think, Sansui, or a similar company. They were OK, but service access was horrible. In my opinion, the only Nak receivers to get are the Stasis SR & TA models, and, of course, the old 730(with some upgrading). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? > > Hi Nakfellows, > > Nak claims that its HTA amps combine SS's bass punch with tube like highs, > what's collective wisdom's opinion on this ? After reading so many positive > notes on audioreview, I finally have the guts to replace my 'tv set' yamaha > 890 with nak's AV2s ... and the change is a bit extreme. Music (2ch) was > lifeless through yamaha and really "kickin" with relatively modest AV2. > Looking inside, there's nothing to be proud of, compared to yamaha's built > (copper bars etc), also nak's tiny tooner board looks ridiculous. I wonder > if HTA still bear some of that nak magic ? > > It is really saddening to read from those reviews how nak actually killed > itself by downgrading on almost every built aspect - remote control, lcd > display, even rca plugs ! (more than one review had rca jacks pulled off). > Compare that with nad which produced a lemon c540 cd player but immediately > replaced it with c541 that addressed almost every weakness of previous > model. If only .... > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Jun 4 00:02:57 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:02:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Micro Seiki service manuals Message-ID: <20010603.180305.-386163.2.josephj69@juno.com> Hey guys, I know this is a bit off topic, but would anyone have any Service Manuals for Micro Seiki products. Right now, I'm especially looking for the manual for the DQ-43 turntable, or at least something similar. Any leads you could provide to find one would also be appreciated. Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Mon Jun 4 04:13:28 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:13:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? References: <002201c0ec64$c52820c0$bb289bca@smarzuki> <002101c0ec6c$def69920$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c0ec9b$f2bc8120$44b4f7a5@knowledgehammer> Speaking of nak recievers - this is on ebay, just listed, can this 'buy it now ' amount be remotely serious? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243317615 Stan P. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Jun 4 04:30:55 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:30:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? In-Reply-To: <000801c0ec9b$f2bc8120$44b4f7a5@knowledgehammer> Message-ID: I saw this ad a couple of weeks ago. I am not sure what his reserve is, but the 'buy it now price' is just a bogus, high number. Same guy is selling a 21 year old Oldsmobile and buy it now says $31,000 - even with alleged 3,000 miles on, this is a sick price for that kind of a car ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592008555& r=0&t=0 ). Bottom line, compared to the Oldsmobile, the Nak 730 may be a great deal ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: Sun, June 03, 2001 9:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? Speaking of nak recievers - this is on ebay, just listed, can this 'buy it now ' amount be remotely serious? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243317615 Stan P. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 4 06:21:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:21:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? References: <002201c0ec64$c52820c0$bb289bca@smarzuki> <002101c0ec6c$def69920$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001601c0ecba$71d91c20$98199bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Thanks for the info ! OEM from sansui ? ... that's incredible. I agree even SR3 at lower wpc sounded more 'powerful' not mentioning more musical & detailed than both RE1 or AV2s, but I need the surround & remote thing for schwarzeneggers ... :-). Speaking of service access, maybe you meant the original AV1/2 instead of the "s" version ? Original looks pretty much crowded compared to newer & simpler "s" models (both taiwanese built I believe). I looked at original AV1 inside's and promptly decided on much more 'logical' layout of AV2s - and Nak usa confirmed long time ago that the original AV1/2 does not have the "HTA" feature, whatever that's worth. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? > The only good thing about the "HTA" amps( a meaningless name, of course), is > that the amp circuits were very simple & direct, so they did sound better > than pretty much every other competing receiver. AV-1/2/etc. receivers did > not have the same amps, though, as they were OEM from, I think, Sansui, or a > similar company. They were OK, but service access was horrible. In my > opinion, the only Nak receivers to get are the Stasis SR & TA models, and, > of course, the old 730(with some upgrading). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 4 08:05:41 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:05:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? References: Message-ID: <002501c0ecbc$632bde40$98199bca@smarzuki> Probably most of his stuff are based on relative weight to his leicas ... BTW it is now on a huge discount, last buy-it-now was for $5900 :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234313790 This was my question on 730, is it true that only 100 been made ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak's HTA - is it good ? > I saw this ad a couple of weeks ago. I am not sure what his reserve is, but > the 'buy it now price' is just a bogus, high number. Same guy is selling a > 21 year old Oldsmobile and buy it now says $31,000 - even with alleged 3,000 > miles on, this is a sick price for that kind of a car ( > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592008555& > r=0&t=0 ). > > Bottom line, compared to the Oldsmobile, the Nak 730 may be a great deal ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stanley P. Pickens ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 4 08:06:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:06:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Micro Seiki service manuals References: <20010603.180305.-386163.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <002601c0ecbc$79ca9420$98199bca@smarzuki> Hi Joe, I tried www.schaltungsdienst.de but found none of Micro Seiki dq or mb product. Sorry to 'ride along' your question, but I'd also appreciate if anybody knows micro seiki's parts contact / email, I need 50hz spindle for belt driven mb14 as right now it's working on a patch tape. Thanks in advance. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Micro Seiki service manuals > Hey guys, > > > I know this is a bit off topic, but would anyone have any Service Manuals > for Micro Seiki products. Right now, I'm especially looking for the > manual for the DQ-43 turntable, or at least something similar. > > Any leads you could provide to find one would also be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > Joe > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Micro Seiki service manuals > Hey guys, > > > I know this is a bit off topic, but would anyone have any Service Manuals > for Micro Seiki products. Right now, I'm especially looking for the > manual for the DQ-43 turntable, or at least something similar. > > Any leads you could provide to find one would also be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > Joe > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Jun 4 15:23:07 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:23:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer CT-S920S Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> First of all I would like to thank all those Nak-brothers, who sent their valued opinions to the "decks benchmarking" issue. As I could catch it from your postings, there is an interest in reports of that kind. Knowing this makes me want to share with you the fruits of my recent efforts. The saga continues... On Saturday I'd finished with cleaning, lubricating & fine-adjusting the transport of the above Pioneer and finally proceeded with some measurements. My first impressions of that machine can be found below. GENERAL: Pioneer is always Pioneer and it cannot be confused with anything else. This model used to be considered as the "little brother" of the CT-93. In due time it was advertised as a "top of the line" cassette deck for the consumer audio market. Pretty ergonomic design, plenty of (mostly unnecessary) features like different display modes. MECHANICS: Capstans: 2 --- 2.75 mm on the supply, 2.5 mm on the take-up side, i.e. allegedly a diffused resonance mechanism Flywheels: thick and heavy, judging from appearance made of zinc or aluminium Drive: twin belt drive --- capstan motor drives the supply flywheel first, that in turn drives the take-up one via separate belt Motors: if memory serves 4 --- 1 x capstan, 1 x reel, 1 x CAM, 1 x cassette door Heads: 3 --- Nak-like erase head & fabulous imbecile siamese twins assembly consisting of rec. & p.b. heads; EH is only height adjustable, the twins can be aligned in any, but very inconvenient way - turning any of the three adjustment screws disturbs other settings NOTICEABLY Tape guides: 1 --- plastic wedge-shaped bed on the supply side screwed to the pinch roller ass'y Pinch rollers: 2 --- of different shape and form - pretty small and ugly on the supply & comparatively big on the take-up side; plastic bearings; NO adjustment is possible ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: Tape Speed: adjustable, VERY stable when set properly Wow/Flutter: 0.07% Wtd.Peak FR at -20dB: 20Hz-23kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -6dB at 25kHz, FR at 0dB: 20Hz-8kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -4dB at 10kHz, -8dB at 12kHz THD: 1% (400Hz, 0db, Type I); 3% THD is reached when overloading at +7dB 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD is reached when overloading at +6dB Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used TRIM-POTS: Meters: adjustable MPX filter: present, not quite sure whether adjustable or not P/b level: adjustable Bias freq: couldn't ascertain yet Bias trap (rec.): not quite sure whether adjustable or not Bias trap (p/b): apparently nonexistent Rec. amp. eq.: couldn't ascertain yet Rec. level: adjustable for all types of tape AT ONCE Bias current: adjustable for all types of tape SEPARATELY Overall FR: non-adjustable HX-Pro: adjustable in the OFF-mode Auto BLE: adjustable - 400Hz, 3kHz, 15kHz IRRITATIONS: 1. The bottom of the deck case cannot be removed, which makes accessing the dip-side of the main PCB absolutely impossible. This sucks, as replacing even one single shitty capacitance will require complete dismantling of the whole apparatus. 2. The cassette well is so deep, that proper cleaning of the heads and transport parts represents a REAL problem. Moreover, the lid of the cassette well cannot be removed without running the risk of breaking the plastic latches hooking it into the frame, where cassette slides in. This, in turn, complicates access to the screws responsible for heads positioning unbelievably. 3. The cassette well is motorized and it's plastic guiding arms can be easily broken, if you accidentally forget that it's motorized and nudge it. 4. There are way too many soft plastic parts all around there, especially within the tape transport mechanism. Everything looks so unreliable... 5. Despite the deck being manufactured in the middle of the 90's, its pinch rollers are already covered with little cracks all over the surface. 6. The rec. balance knob influences the balance between channels in such a GROSS way, that I'm afraid there're records out there which cannot be balanced properly on that machine. As far as I know, this is a plague of all Pioneer decks though. 7. Its Akai-like meters are pretty inaccurate. When actually overloading at +6dB they tell +4dB. When going down to -20dB, they tell -25dB. 8. Separate fine-tuning of recording level is NOT possible - one pair of trim-pots common for all for all types of tape only. 9. The impact the HX-Pro system has on the recording process differs from channel to channel. While the right one remains almost intact, the left one suffers noticeable rise at the high end of the spectra. And there's nothing you can do about that. Thank God, the bitch can be switched off. 10. Any recording you make on that deck gets the tinge of Techno-Music. Sort of annoying boom-boom-boom... SUMMARY: This Pioneer deck is a good example about how a good idea can be spoiled. It simply lacks the refinement and reliability you would expect from a product of such an exterior and price range. The thing's infested with features, that seem to be purposedly designed to distract user from focusing on the sound. The only thing that's really good about it is amazingly low Wow/Flutter. However, I believe it won't last long due to prevalence of cheap plastic transport parts and bad quality rubber. Yes, it's FR is almost flat and unusually wide. Yes, it's THD figures are superior. BUT! It's sound is UNNATURAL. Even my little shitty 2 head single capstan BX-2 sounds 10 times brighter and more natural than this piece of Pioneer gear. BTW, I conducted a series of comparative PINK NOISE based measurements on both decks at -20dB, 0dB & +7dB respectively and to my GREATEST surprise found my BX-2 being impossibly close to the source at ALL signal levels, while Pioneer deck showing some really strange figures at higher ones. Further experiments with 400Hz Sine/1kHz Square Wave tones at the same signal levels made me still more proud of Nakamichi products. Did you like the story? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 4 20:04:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:04:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer CT-S920S References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <013101c0ed20$cdb37340$123442cf@sank1> You replicate my experience & opinions of Pioneer's best decks more accurately than I could have described myself. Kind of like a Mercedes redesigned & built by Hyundai. I'm quite sure they must have EQ'd the hell out of the bass to get -2dB at 20Hz, which would explain the boom-boom sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer CT-S920S > First of all I would like to thank all those Nak-brothers, who sent their > valued opinions to the "decks benchmarking" issue. As I could catch it from > your postings, there is an interest in reports of that kind. Knowing this > makes me want to share with you the fruits of my recent efforts. The saga > continues... > > On Saturday I'd finished with cleaning, lubricating & fine-adjusting the > transport of the above Pioneer and finally proceeded with some measurements. > My first impressions of that machine can be found below. > > GENERAL: > > Pioneer is always Pioneer and it cannot be confused with anything else. This > model used to be considered as the "little brother" of the CT-93. In due > time it was advertised as a "top of the line" cassette deck for the consumer > audio market. Pretty ergonomic design, plenty of (mostly unnecessary) > features like different display modes. > > MECHANICS: > Capstans: > 2 --- 2.75 mm on the supply, 2.5 mm on the take-up side, i.e. allegedly a > diffused resonance mechanism > > Flywheels: > thick and heavy, judging from appearance made of zinc or aluminium > > Drive: > twin belt drive --- capstan motor drives the supply flywheel first, that in > turn drives the take-up one via separate belt > > Motors: > if memory serves 4 --- 1 x capstan, 1 x reel, 1 x CAM, 1 x cassette door > > Heads: > 3 --- Nak-like erase head & fabulous imbecile siamese twins assembly > consisting of rec. & p.b. heads; EH is only height adjustable, the twins can > be aligned in any, but very inconvenient way - turning any of the three > adjustment screws disturbs other settings NOTICEABLY > > Tape guides: > 1 --- plastic wedge-shaped bed on the supply side screwed to the pinch > roller ass'y > > Pinch rollers: > 2 --- of different shape and form - pretty small and ugly on the supply & > comparatively big on the take-up side; plastic bearings; NO adjustment is > possible > > ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: > > Tape Speed: adjustable, VERY stable when set properly > Wow/Flutter: 0.07% Wtd.Peak > FR at -20dB: 20Hz-23kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -6dB at > 25kHz, > FR at 0dB: 20Hz-8kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -4dB at > 10kHz, -8dB at 12kHz > THD: 1% (400Hz, 0db, Type I); 3% THD is reached when overloading > at +7dB > 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD is reached when > overloading at +6dB > Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) > -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used > > TRIM-POTS: > > Meters: adjustable > MPX filter: present, not quite sure whether adjustable or not > P/b level: adjustable > Bias freq: couldn't ascertain yet > Bias trap (rec.): not quite sure whether adjustable or not > Bias trap (p/b): apparently nonexistent > Rec. amp. eq.: couldn't ascertain yet > Rec. level: adjustable for all types of tape AT ONCE > Bias current: adjustable for all types of tape SEPARATELY > Overall FR: non-adjustable > HX-Pro: adjustable in the OFF-mode > Auto BLE: adjustable - 400Hz, 3kHz, 15kHz > > IRRITATIONS: > > 1. The bottom of the deck case cannot be removed, which makes accessing the > dip-side of the main PCB absolutely impossible. This sucks, as replacing > even one single shitty capacitance will require complete dismantling of the > whole apparatus. > > 2. The cassette well is so deep, that proper cleaning of the heads and > transport parts represents a REAL problem. Moreover, the lid of the cassette > well cannot be removed without running the risk of breaking the plastic > latches hooking it into the frame, where cassette slides in. This, in turn, > complicates access to the screws responsible for heads positioning > unbelievably. > > 3. The cassette well is motorized and it's plastic guiding arms can be > easily broken, if you accidentally forget that it's motorized and nudge it. > > 4. There are way too many soft plastic parts all around there, especially > within the tape transport mechanism. Everything looks so unreliable... > > 5. Despite the deck being manufactured in the middle of the 90's, its pinch > rollers are already covered with little cracks all over the surface. > > 6. The rec. balance knob influences the balance between channels in such a > GROSS way, that I'm afraid there're records out there which cannot be > balanced properly on that machine. As far as I know, this is a plague of all > Pioneer decks though. > > 7. Its Akai-like meters are pretty inaccurate. When actually overloading at > +6dB they tell +4dB. When going down to -20dB, they tell -25dB. > > 8. Separate fine-tuning of recording level is NOT possible - one pair of > trim-pots common for all for all types of tape only. > > 9. The impact the HX-Pro system has on the recording process differs from > channel to channel. While the right one remains almost intact, the left one > suffers noticeable rise at the high end of the spectra. And there's nothing > you can do about that. Thank God, the bitch can be switched off. > > 10. Any recording you make on that deck gets the tinge of Techno-Music. Sort > of annoying boom-boom-boom... > > SUMMARY: > > This Pioneer deck is a good example about how a good idea can be spoiled. It > simply lacks the refinement and reliability you would expect from a product > of such an exterior and price range. The thing's infested with features, > that seem to be purposedly designed to distract user from focusing on the > sound. The only thing that's really good about it is amazingly low > Wow/Flutter. However, I believe it won't last long due to prevalence of > cheap plastic transport parts and bad quality rubber. Yes, it's FR is almost > flat and unusually wide. Yes, it's THD figures are superior. BUT! It's sound > is UNNATURAL. Even my little shitty 2 head single capstan BX-2 sounds 10 > times brighter and more natural than this piece of Pioneer gear. BTW, I > conducted a series of comparative PINK NOISE based measurements on both > decks at -20dB, 0dB & +7dB respectively and to my GREATEST surprise found my > BX-2 being impossibly close to the source at ALL signal levels, while > Pioneer deck showing some really strange figures at higher ones. Further > experiments with 400Hz Sine/1kHz Square Wave tones at the same signal levels > made me still more proud of Nakamichi products. > > Did you like the story? > > Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BDyke at cris.com Tue Jun 5 01:19:03 2001 From: BDyke at cris.com (Brian Dyke) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:19:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi 700ZXE Message-ID: <005301c0ed4c$bf9feb40$d7721fd1@BDyke> Hi, I just found out that a friend of mine has a Nakamichi 700ZXE for sale at a very reasonable price. If anybody's interested, you can contact him (Gordon Sharpless) directly at: gorshar at loxinfo.co.th Thanks, Brian Dyke ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Jun 5 01:43:21 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:43:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - TEAC X-10 References: Message-ID: <003301c0ed50$24d0bc80$9906efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - TEAC X-10 Hi George. I beleive that all Teac Reels (modern ones anyway) use the same pinch rollers. I have several brand new ones for a Teac X-2000 that should fit if you are interested. Kevin Rogers > Hi nakfellows, and apologies for the slightly off-topic question - I need > assistance from fellow Nakkers in Europe and specifically in Germany - does > anyone know a place where I can order online a set of pinch rollers for the > above mentioned R-to-R deck ? > > Many thanks in advance, > > George > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Jun 5 15:45:42 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:45:42 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer CT- S920S Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Bravissimo, Stephen! Your comparison is beyond all praises! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:04 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of > Pioneer CT-S920S > > You replicate my experience & opinions of Pioneer's best decks more > accurately than I could have described myself. Kind of like a Mercedes > redesigned & built by Hyundai. I'm quite sure they must have EQ'd the > hell > out of the bass to get -2dB at 20Hz, which would explain the boom-boom sound. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer > CT-S920S > > > > First of all I would like to thank all those Nak-brothers, who sent > their > > valued opinions to the "decks benchmarking" issue. As I could catch it > from > > your postings, there is an interest in reports of that kind. Knowing > this > > makes me want to share with you the fruits of my recent efforts. The > saga > > continues... > > > > On Saturday I'd finished with cleaning, lubricating & fine-adjusting the > > transport of the above Pioneer and finally proceeded with some > measurements. > > My first impressions of that machine can be found below. > > > > GENERAL: > > > > Pioneer is always Pioneer and it cannot be confused with anything else. > This > > model used to be considered as the "little brother" of the CT-93. In > due > > time it was advertised as a "top of the line" cassette deck for the > consumer > > audio market. Pretty ergonomic design, plenty of (mostly unnecessary) > > features like different display modes. > > > > MECHANICS: > > Capstans: > > 2 --- 2.75 mm on the supply, 2.5 mm on the take-up side, i.e. allegedly > a > > diffused resonance mechanism > > > > Flywheels: > > thick and heavy, judging from appearance made of zinc or aluminium > > > > Drive: > > twin belt drive --- capstan motor drives the supply flywheel first, that > in > > turn drives the take-up one via separate belt > > > > Motors: > > if memory serves 4 --- 1 x capstan, 1 x reel, 1 x CAM, 1 x cassette door > > > > Heads: > > 3 --- Nak-like erase head & fabulous imbecile siamese twins assembly > > consisting of rec. & p.b. heads; EH is only height adjustable, the twins > can > > be aligned in any, but very inconvenient way - turning any of the three > > adjustment screws disturbs other settings NOTICEABLY > > > > Tape guides: > > 1 --- plastic wedge-shaped bed on the supply side screwed to the pinch > > roller ass'y > > > > Pinch rollers: > > 2 --- of different shape and form - pretty small and ugly on the supply > & > > comparatively big on the take-up side; plastic bearings; NO adjustment > is > > possible > > > > ELECTRONICS & MEASUREMENTS: > > > > Tape Speed: adjustable, VERY stable when set properly > > Wow/Flutter: 0.07% Wtd.Peak > > FR at -20dB: 20Hz-23kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -6dB at > > 25kHz, > > FR at 0dB: 20Hz-8kHz (+/- 2dB); important roll-off points: -4dB at > > 10kHz, -8dB at 12kHz > > THD: 1% (400Hz, 0db, Type I); 3% THD is reached when overloading > > at +7dB > > 0.7% (400Hz, 0db, Type II); 3% THD is reached when > > overloading at +6dB > > Pause noise: -52dB (Type I, Dolby OFF) > > -56dB (Type II, Dolby OFF); IHF-A Filter Curve used > > > > TRIM-POTS: > > > > Meters: adjustable > > MPX filter: present, not quite sure whether adjustable or not > > P/b level: adjustable > > Bias freq: couldn't ascertain yet > > Bias trap (rec.): not quite sure whether adjustable or not > > Bias trap (p/b): apparently nonexistent > > Rec. amp. eq.: couldn't ascertain yet > > Rec. level: adjustable for all types of tape AT ONCE > > Bias current: adjustable for all types of tape SEPARATELY > > Overall FR: non-adjustable > > HX-Pro: adjustable in the OFF-mode > > Auto BLE: adjustable - 400Hz, 3kHz, 15kHz > > > > IRRITATIONS: > > > > 1. The bottom of the deck case cannot be removed, which makes accessing > the > > dip-side of the main PCB absolutely impossible. This sucks, as replacing > > even one single shitty capacitance will require complete dismantling of > the > > whole apparatus. > > > > 2. The cassette well is so deep, that proper cleaning of the heads and > > transport parts represents a REAL problem. Moreover, the lid of the > cassette > > well cannot be removed without running the risk of breaking the plastic > > latches hooking it into the frame, where cassette slides in. This, in > turn, > > complicates access to the screws responsible for heads positioning > > unbelievably. > > > > 3. The cassette well is motorized and it's plastic guiding arms can be > > easily broken, if you accidentally forget that it's motorized and nudge > it. > > > > 4. There are way too many soft plastic parts all around there, > especially > > within the tape transport mechanism. Everything looks so unreliable... > > > > 5. Despite the deck being manufactured in the middle of the 90's, its > pinch > > rollers are already covered with little cracks all over the surface. > > > > 6. The rec. balance knob influences the balance between channels in such > a > > GROSS way, that I'm afraid there're records out there which cannot be > > balanced properly on that machine. As far as I know, this is a plague of > all > > Pioneer decks though. > > > > 7. Its Akai-like meters are pretty inaccurate. When actually overloading > at > > +6dB they tell +4dB. When going down to -20dB, they tell -25dB. > > > > 8. Separate fine-tuning of recording level is NOT possible - one pair of > > trim-pots common for all for all types of tape only. > > > > 9. The impact the HX-Pro system has on the recording process differs > from > > channel to channel. While the right one remains almost intact, the left > one > > suffers noticeable rise at the high end of the spectra. And there's > nothing > > you can do about that. Thank God, the bitch can be switched off. > > > > 10. Any recording you make on that deck gets the tinge of Techno-Music. > Sort > > of annoying boom-boom-boom... > > > > SUMMARY: > > > > This Pioneer deck is a good example about how a good idea can be > spoiled. > It > > simply lacks the refinement and reliability you would expect from a > product > > of such an exterior and price range. The thing's infested with features, > > that seem to be purposedly designed to distract user from focusing on > the > > sound. The only thing that's really good about it is amazingly low > > Wow/Flutter. However, I believe it won't last long due to prevalence of > > cheap plastic transport parts and bad quality rubber. Yes, it's FR is > almost > > flat and unusually wide. Yes, it's THD figures are superior. BUT! It's > sound > > is UNNATURAL. Even my little shitty 2 head single capstan BX-2 sounds 10 > > times brighter and more natural than this piece of Pioneer gear. BTW, I > > conducted a series of comparative PINK NOISE based measurements on both > > decks at -20dB, 0dB & +7dB respectively and to my GREATEST surprise > found > my > > BX-2 being impossibly close to the source at ALL signal levels, while > > Pioneer deck showing some really strange figures at higher ones. Further > > experiments with 400Hz Sine/1kHz Square Wave tones at the same signal > levels > > made me still more proud of Nakamichi products. > > > > Did you like the story? > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Jun 5 15:54:02 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:54:02 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, 1. What can cause Dragon stop in few seconds after the play button is pushed? >From mechanical point of view tape transport is assumed to be OK. On the other hand, if the play button is held by finger it keeps working. 2. Autoreverse does not work at all. Possible reasons? Any insight is welcome. Thanks alot beforehand. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Jun 5 17:35:03 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:35:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: ПРивет, Проверь лампочку в датчике автостопа. Миша >Guys, > >1. >What can cause Dragon stop in few seconds after the play button is pushed? >From mechanical point of view tape transport is assumed to be OK. On the >other hand, if the play button is held by finger it keeps working. > >2. Autoreverse does not work at all. Possible reasons? > >Any insight is welcome. > >Thanks alot beforehand. > >Nick >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jun 5 19:22:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:22:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new Message-ID: <89.79853ef.284e6f57@aol.com> Hi Kannan, Yes, it sold for $182.00. Someone wanted one really bad. Is there anything "special" about it that I may not be aware of? It appears to be just a remote control, a wired one at that? I liked the wireless remote control unit that appeared several months ago. If I recall, that unit went for roughly the same amount. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 5 19:50:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:50:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000c01c0ede7$f891b1e0$e0299bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, "Any insight is welcome" ... but I'm sure you've checked for button contact problems. One teac acted weird until those microbuttons are replaced (a shorted one is the culprit) - never had any nak's bulky microswitch fail though, only hesitant LX buttons and those tiny modern switches on SR. What's that Misha said ? Good luck + good night, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > Guys, > > 1. > What can cause Dragon stop in few seconds after the play button is pushed? > From mechanical point of view tape transport is assumed to be OK. On the > other hand, if the play button is held by finger it keeps working. > > 2. Autoreverse does not work at all. Possible reasons? > > Any insight is welcome. > > Thanks alot beforehand. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 5 19:56:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:56:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F569E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002701c0ede8$e1b4ec20$483442cf@sank1> The stopping is almost certainly just the lamp that illuminates the take-up reel motion sensor. If the counter goes, then the lamp on the left reel is OK. The no-reverse only makes me think of the IC's that provide the voltage drive to the capstan servo output transistors, IC515 & IC516, which should be replaced with M5218A Mitsubishi or LM833AN National Semiconductor. Otherwise, I'd need you to tell me more detail. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > Guys, > > 1. > What can cause Dragon stop in few seconds after the play button is pushed? > From mechanical point of view tape transport is assumed to be OK. On the > other hand, if the play button is held by finger it keeps working. > > 2. Autoreverse does not work at all. Possible reasons? > > Any insight is welcome. > > Thanks alot beforehand. > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 5 21:22:28 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:22:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <000c01c0ede7$f891b1e0$e0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: I know one thing that can cause a Dragon to stop after the play button is depressed is too much resistance in the tape or drive mechanism. As you know, when the tape hits the end of the side you are playing on, it stops. Well, if the tape is a bit 'rusty' (I've had 100+ minute tapes do this on my dragon because they must be hard to scroll or something) it can cause this. Mechanically, I would assume that bad capstans/pinch rollers would cause the machine to think it is pushing too hard. I am no match for any of you electrical dudes....but, does this make any sense? :-) Alex > > Guys, > > > > 1. > > What can cause Dragon stop in few seconds after the play button > is pushed? > > From mechanical point of view tape transport is assumed to be OK. On the > > other hand, if the play button is held by finger it keeps working. > > > > 2. Autoreverse does not work at all. Possible reasons? > > > > Any insight is welcome. > > > > Thanks alot beforehand. > > > > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 5 21:25:33 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:25:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <002701c0ede8$e1b4ec20$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: YES! I forgot about that small light bulb! I had to replace this on my Dragon years ago. It is mounted to a small pc board and there is a black fan with thick blades. The fan spins and lets light through the open areas to the photoresistor behind. I remember being very proud of myself on fixing this problem....since I barely know electronic basics. That's why I love mechanical problems....you can SEE them. Alex > The stopping is almost certainly just the lamp that illuminates > the take-up > reel motion sensor. If the counter goes, then the lamp on the > left reel is > OK. > The no-reverse only makes me think of the IC's that provide the voltage > drive to the capstan servo output transistors, IC515 & IC516, which should > be replaced with M5218A Mitsubishi or LM833AN National Semiconductor. > Otherwise, I'd need you to tell me more detail. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jun 5 21:52:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:52:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: <108.df4d81.284e927a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/5/2001 2:27:46 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << YES! I forgot about that small light bulb! I had to replace this on my Dragon years ago. It is mounted to a small pc board and there is a black fan with thick blades. The fan spins and lets light through the open areas to the photoresistor behind. I remember being very proud of myself on fixing this problem....since I barely know electronic basics. That's why I love mechanical problems....you can SEE them. Alex >> Hi Alex and Group, Does the tape automatically reverse when the tape leader is present or when the tape comes to a stop on one side in a Dragon? I would think it reverses as soon as the tape leader is present as my TEAC incorporates this technique and allows for continued recording without missing any music from one side to the other. Just curious...Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 5 22:25:05 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:25:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <108.df4d81.284e927a@aol.com> Message-ID: The autoreverse is switchable on the Dragon....on or off. The dragon does not record on autoreverse (sideB)..only side A. Alex > Does the tape automatically reverse when the tape leader is > present or when > the tape comes to a stop on one side in a Dragon? I would think > it reverses > as soon as the tape leader is present as my TEAC incorporates > this technique > and allows for continued recording without missing any music from > one side to > the other. Just curious...Thanks! > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jun 5 22:58:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:58:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: In a message dated 6/5/2001 3:26:54 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << The autoreverse is switchable on the Dragon....on or off. The dragon does not record on autoreverse (sideB)..only side A. Alex >> Thanks Alex. Does the tape turn over immediately when the tape ends and the leader begins? Or, does the tape turn over once it is finished on the reel? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 5 23:30:07 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:30:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The tape turns over after it has finished the reel. If there is a long amount of time (I think it is 20-30 seconds) with no sound, the Dragon will FF over it and flip over. Alex > Thanks Alex. Does the tape turn over immediately when the tape > ends and the > leader begins? Or, does the tape turn over once it is finished > on the reel? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 00:36:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:36:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: In a message dated 6/5/2001 4:32:22 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << The tape turns over after it has finished the reel. If there is a long amount of time (I think it is 20-30 seconds) with no sound, the Dragon will FF over it and flip over. >> Thanks Alex. I'm surprised to learn that it flips when the reel is complete. I don't know what it is called on my TEAC, but it flips at the point where the tape and the header meet and records in both directions. Don't know exactly how it works. Thanks again! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Jun 6 03:08:37 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:08:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a high quality VCR? I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and have little to no distortion in the picture at all. I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them out every so often. I record different things quite often. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmueller at gdi.net Wed Jun 6 03:35:39 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:35:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new References: <89.79853ef.284e6f57@aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01c0ee29$1e1b0150$66d261d8@primeevil> Bought mine for $50 in the late eighties. Wanted to make sure I had one in case they stopped production on them. Just a simple, soft-touch wired remote with a DIN interface. Mine's connected but doesn't leave the Dragon's side. I didn't really buy mine to be functional. How did the wireless version interface with the decks which don't have an IR sensor? Any pixs? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new > Hi Kannan, > > Yes, it sold for $182.00. Someone wanted one really bad. Is there anything > "special" about it that I may not be aware of? It appears to be just a > remote control, a wired one at that? I liked the wireless remote control > unit that appeared several months ago. If I recall, that unit went for > roughly the same amount. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 03:41:22 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:41:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's In-Reply-To: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> Message-ID: I have a Mitsubishi Perfect Tape, I forget the model (HSU560?) and paid about $700 for it new. It is a great player and sound quality is decent. It has the toggle on the deck, and the remote...you can creep through FF or RR....just another gadget. I have heard the mother of all VCR's is some JVC deck....is that true? Alex -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a high quality VCR? I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and have little to no distortion in the picture at all. I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them out every so often. I record different things quite often. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmueller at gdi.net Wed Jun 6 04:08:18 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:08:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003601c0ee2d$8ed3ad30$66d261d8@primeevil> I've got a burly Mitsubishi HS-U80. Definitely needs a tuneup, but continues to be my 'daily driver'. Bought it in 1988. The then top of of the line JVC was some super-editing deck, I think it was the HSU-10000U or something like that. However, I wasn't impressed with it, for listing at twice the cost of my U80. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a high quality VCR? I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and have little to no distortion in the picture at all. I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them out every so often. I record different things quite often. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 05:12:28 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's In-Reply-To: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, flying erase head, etc, etc. It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I would be very appreciative. The display works fine. When I press the power button the display comes to life like it should, but, after 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces the filter caps in the switching mode power supply like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I think the problem is with the controller for the mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from the power supply seem OK. Scott J. --- Brian Miller wrote: > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > high quality VCR? > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > out every so often. I record different things quite > often. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > except through Me. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 6 05:34:04 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:04:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new Message-ID: <20010606033404.5CFB51DFB10@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmueller at gdi.net Wed Jun 6 06:03:08 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:03:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: Message-ID: <006201c0ee3d$99944260$66d261d8@primeevil> I had a Fisher dual-deck unit before my Dragon (what an upgrade!) which rotated it's sandwich heads upon detecting the clear leader. Noisy thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > In a message dated 6/5/2001 4:32:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << The tape turns over after it has finished the reel. If there is a long > amount of time (I think it is 20-30 seconds) with no sound, the Dragon will > FF over it and flip over. > >> > Thanks Alex. I'm surprised to learn that it flips when the reel is > complete. I don't know what it is called on my TEAC, but it flips at the > point where the tape and the header meet and records in both directions. > Don't know exactly how it works. Thanks again! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Jun 6 08:09:39 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:09:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new References: <20010606033404.5CFB51DFB10@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002501c0ee4f$46016ee0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> well, with some tweaking, it can be used on 700 II, addition of small reed relays and rewire of the din plug, iirc... erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new > Wireless remote is the only T580 and R580 both transmitter and receiver that can be connected to 580/ 680 series , LX,ZX and BX series( BX300 of mine came with one pair of remote!) I believe that it should work with CR7 as per schematics( my CR7 does not supply 12 V at one of the pins as per schematics and that power is required for the receiver to work and I am yet to trace the reason for no supply at that pin)as well as RX series. It definitely works with 1000ZXL and I am not sure about 700ZXL or 700/ 1000 series.It can be modified ( to receive 12 V suppply) for Dragon but it does not have reverse play switch for Dragon. > Infact I am having one of this for sale and I can send it to US through somebody who may be leaving this month end. So any US residents interested can buy it. And any such interested person can contact me by email. One such went for 325$ ( wufwufl took it on ebay!). One more unit the buy now price was around 375$ and the bid went up to 270$ or so and could not reach the reserve! > kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new > > > >Bought mine for $50 in the late eighties. Wanted to make sure I had one in > >case they stopped production on them. Just a simple, soft-touch wired remote > >with a DIN interface. Mine's connected but doesn't leave the Dragon's side. > >I didn't really buy mine to be functional. > > > >How did the wireless version interface with the decks which don't have an IR > >sensor? Any pixs? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:22 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice unit to have - Nakamichi remote new > > > > > >> Hi Kannan, > >> > >> Yes, it sold for $182.00. Someone wanted one really bad. Is there > >anything > >> "special" about it that I may not be aware of? It appears to be just a > >> remote control, a wired one at that? I liked the wireless remote control > >> unit that appeared several months ago. If I recall, that unit went for > >> roughly the same amount. > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 07:08:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:08:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: Hi Brian, Congratulations, as I understand those Mitsubishi's are exceptional. My aunt purchased 3 at around the same price (I don't remember the model number) and they are working great to this day. Worth every penny. -Sam Eph 4:13 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 07:11:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:11:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. Only Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a Sony R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to do anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may be the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess current. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > would be very appreciative. > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > think the problem is with the controller for the > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > the power supply seem OK. > > Scott J. > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > high quality VCR? > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > often. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > except through Me. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jun 6 07:30:21 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:30:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> <003601c0ee2d$8ed3ad30$66d261d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <43288462.62C646DB.026D48C1@netscape.net> I've got Panasonic NV-HD100, bought new in 1993 for $620. It's one of the best Hi-Fi VHS machines made by Panasonic. Still works perfectly, I carried out general cleaning a year or so ago. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If there is a long > > amount of time (I think it is 20-30 seconds) with no sound, the Dragon > will > > FF over it and flip over. > > >> > > Thanks Alex. I'm surprised to learn that it flips when the reel is > > complete. I don't know what it is called on my TEAC, but it flips at the > > point where the tape and the header meet and records in both directions. > > Don't know exactly how it works. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 10:18:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 02:18:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <006201c0ee3d$99944260$66d261d8@primeevil> <3B1DE0D1.6626A37C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c0ee61$345fb5e0$973442cf@sank1> The leader sensing on those other decks is done using an opto-sensor which sits in place of the erase head. Since it is about the only place for it, it can only be done on 2-head, rotary-head decks, where the erase head is sandwiched with the rec/pb head(gee, ain't THAT a wonderful concept in itself) on the rotator ass'y. The only other option is to place the opto-sensor where a reverse-side fixed erase head would be, which would place it after the rec/pb head in tape travel, so would be about a half second late in reversing the tape, rather defeating the purpose. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > The tape doesn't flip over on the Dragon. > Javier > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > I had a Fisher dual-deck unit before my Dragon (what an upgrade!) which > > rotated it's sandwich heads upon detecting the clear leader. Noisy thing! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > > > > > In a message dated 6/5/2001 4:32:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << The tape turns over after it has finished the reel. If there is a long > > > amount of time (I think it is 20-30 seconds) with no sound, the Dragon > > will > > > FF over it and flip over. > > > >> > > > Thanks Alex. I'm surprised to learn that it flips when the reel is > > > complete. I don't know what it is called on my TEAC, but it flips at the > > > point where the tape and the header meet and records in both directions. > > > Don't know exactly how it works. Thanks again! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmueller at gdi.net Wed Jun 6 13:20:43 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:20:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <006201c0ee3d$99944260$66d261d8@primeevil> <3B1DE0D1.6626A37C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c0ee7a$bc18b310$4ecb61d8@primeevil> I could've phrased that better. I meant that the Fisher rotated sides during PB/Rec. Yes, I do know that my Dragon only records in the forward direction. I'd say technically that the tape doesn't flip over on anything except an RX-202, -303, or -505 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > The tape doesn't flip over on the Dragon. > Javier > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > I had a Fisher dual-deck unit before my Dragon (what an upgrade!) which > > rotated it's sandwich heads upon detecting the clear leader. Noisy thing! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Jun 6 14:57:15 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:57:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <011401c0ee25$38c04820$1f031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <005701c0ee88$38900760$55031fac@brianm> One correction, mine is the HS-U59, not HS-059 that I mis-typed. When I went to buy a new VCR some 7 years ago, I purposely wanted a Mitsu as I have a very nice Mitsu TV. I had no idea I would go this extreme when buying though. As I said before, I have NO regrets. The guy I deal with at our local hi-end store is a great guy, very honest, believe it or not. On their display, he told me he had always favored the Sony's and Mitsu's above the others, actually favored the Sony more but for no reason. He had a client purchase a top Sony. This client was having trouble playing a tape he played in the past. He brought the tape into the store, they put it into several Sony's and duped the problem every time. They threw the tape into a relatively inexpensive Mitsu and it played fine, as it did in every Mitsu they tried. Needless to say, the guy exchanged the Sony for a Mitsu. Our biggest selling point was using them on the showroom floor. The fact that my wife was the one agreeing that we should buy the nicer Mitsu is a strong statement in itself! (I say nicer Mitsu because it was either the top model or second top model they had on display, not sure which.) I also have the ability to move the tape frame by frame as another mentioned. It is interesting to use at times. I used it watching a commercial for an action film. This gal kicks this guy in the face. In slow motion she is at least 12" away! Having a machine user friendly and of quality makes things so much more enjoyable, at least to me. One of the nicest features is the index marking so I can return to a given location, all VCR's should have this!! Any, sorry for the book. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a high quality VCR? I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and have little to no distortion in the picture at all. I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them out every so often. I record different things quite often. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chess.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jun 6 15:26:18 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:26:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I agree, the last good consumer VCR's were manufactured in 1990/1991. I prefer the SONY SLV-676, SLV-757 for VHS (The SLV-757 is loaded with all the same options as in the SLV-R5) and I own some SLV-R5's for SVHS. With the SLV-R5 I rebuild the power supplies with non-oil filled electroyltic Capacitors the are high temp switching power supply caps as the original Sony choice of caps tend to leak and cause failures after a few years, the earlier units had a weak support for the capstain motor which should be changed to the upgraded version and the swing arm needs to be checked as the original Sony lubrication can become tacky if it gets too hot for a long time. Once these are corrected it is a good stable unit. But as you see from this it was not the most reliable design being stock. I have not owned the SLV-R1000 I have not owned the Mits HS-U80 SVHS deck but also heard good things about it. I have owned newer ones and the mits units are particular machines. Hardest machine I know of to keep the tape path aligned from one machine to the next so you don't get HiFi dropouts or tracking readjustments. I also had a NEC DS-8500U. This was introducted a few months before NEC withdrew from the US consumer arena. It actually has the best picture I've seen but is hard to find and NEC does not support their VCR's with parts anymore. I had a JVC HR-S8000 and it was a solid unit but the VHS picture is softer than with the other above listed units, SVHS was fine buth with a little more noise. This is much more reliable than the newer JVC units. The newer units drop options like adjustable audio input controls and are not made to the same quality. JVC has have tracking issues, white streaking issues for example with their models that replaced the 8000. I have owned Panasonic AG-1970's and they also were pretty good units so I'd recommend them also. The are really consumer units with a better external control interface. Since I know the quirks with the R5 and can repair myself if required, I've stuck with the Sony SLV-R5's. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > Only > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > Sony > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > do > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may > be > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > current. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > would be very appreciative. > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > often. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jun 6 15:36:17 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:36:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E6@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> This is a tape path alignment issue. If the tape was recorded by a machine that had a tape path the agreed better with the Mits alignment then he would get better results. I always tweak my Sony R5's to the proper tape path alignment and then they will play tapes the HS-U55 could not after it was properly tweaked. The Sony R5 was much better at playing tapes with wrinkled edges also. Now, the newer Sony's are not as good. I question the source of where this tape came the customer took to the store as I have seen more than one deck with the tape path not tweaked to it center the adjustment properly. I even have to tweak my SLV-R5's so they all work the same. I'll bet prerecorded tapes played fine on all machines in the store. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:57 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > One correction, mine is the HS-U59, not HS-059 that I mis-typed. > > When I went to buy a new VCR some 7 years ago, I purposely wanted a Mitsu > as I have a very nice Mitsu TV. I had no idea I would go this extreme > when buying though. As I said before, I have NO regrets. The guy I deal > with at our local hi-end store is a great guy, very honest, believe it or > not. On their display, he told me he had always favored the Sony's and > Mitsu's above the others, actually favored the Sony more but for no > reason. He had a client purchase a top Sony. This client was having > trouble playing a tape he played in the past. He brought the tape into > the store, they put it into several Sony's and duped the problem every > time. They threw the tape into a relatively inexpensive Mitsu and it > played fine, as it did in every Mitsu they tried. Needless to say, the > guy exchanged the Sony for a Mitsu. > > Our biggest selling point was using them on the showroom floor. The fact > that my wife was the one agreeing that we should buy the nicer Mitsu is a > strong statement in itself! (I say nicer Mitsu because it was either the > top model or second top model they had on display, not sure which.) > > I also have the ability to move the tape frame by frame as another > mentioned. It is interesting to use at times. I used it watching a > commercial for an action film. This gal kicks this guy in the face. In > slow motion she is at least 12" away! > > Having a machine user friendly and of quality makes things so much more > enjoyable, at least to me. One of the nicest features is the index > marking so I can return to a given location, all VCR's should have this!! > > Any, sorry for the book. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Miller > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a high quality > VCR? > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up tonight. I bought > it about 7 years ago and paid around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only > is it simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It is a Mitsubishi > HS-059. You can freeze frame and have little to no distortion in the > picture at all. > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned over the years. > A belt came off last week so I sent it in to be fixed and cleaned. They > noted it was very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them out > every so often. I record different things quite often. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. > << File: Chess.gif >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Wed Jun 6 16:59:00 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:59:00 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <200106061459.f56EwtT24255@ad.md> what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make it ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other documentation on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me where to look for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on this. i want my NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung replacement vcr i use now, damn it! i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem , brothers. thank you. keep nakkin' marin ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is killing me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. Only > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a Sony > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to do > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may be > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess current. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > would be very appreciative. > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > often. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 17:13:16 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:13:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00c901c0ee9b$37c7b3b0$dbcff7a5@D9569601> I had one of the top JVC higi VCR's; don't recollect the model number but it had all the good stuff inc the seperate right/left input level controls. I bought it in late 1991; it worked fine for about five years and then just would not power up one day. The power supply had gone dead and the cost to replace it with labour was prohibitive...according to my tech.....I left it with him for parts. I next bought a dirt cheap hifi stereo jvc for playing back movies; have not used the stereo recording feature since I started using DATs anyway Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. Only > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a Sony > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to do > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may be > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess current. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > would be very appreciative. > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > often. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 17:41:54 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:41:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <3B1DE0D1.6626A37C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Of course it doesn't...I meant it changes sides when I said flip over. Alex > The tape doesn't flip over on the Dragon. > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 6 18:58:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:58:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> <00c901c0ee9b$37c7b3b0$dbcff7a5@D9569601> Message-ID: <000a01c0eeaa$1628d680$74299bca@smarzuki> Nakfellows, Hi-fi VCR was one of the reason I put off buying pricey nak deck as I believed I can get 6 hours of 80dB 20hz-20khz flat for music storage at much lower price. I keep one copy of beta (i'm in asia ...) hifi music compilation - and it still plays fine on 16 yr old sony hf100es, video is another story though. I read that due to small bandwith left for audio, hi-fi vcrs achieve its dynamic range through dbx-like compression, is that true ? On 'standard' dbx equipped deck or using 224 I can hear so called breathing effect, but none on hi-fi vcr. What effect would this compression has on soundstage etc ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > I had one of the top JVC higi VCR's; don't recollect the model number but it > had all the good stuff inc the seperate right/left input level controls. I > bought it in late 1991; it worked fine for about five years and then just > would not power up one day. The power supply had gone dead and the cost to > replace it with labour was prohibitive...according to my tech.....I left it > with him for parts. I next bought a dirt cheap hifi stereo jvc for playing > back movies; have not used the stereo recording feature since I started > using DATs anyway > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > Only > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > Sony > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > do > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may > be > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > current. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > often. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:02:38 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:02:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon Message-ID: Hi Kannan, as you are referring to 400 Hz level on the bias tune, I have some questions about it. I have not a distortion meter and want to know why Nak tell us to obtain i.e 0.8 % thd for ZX , 1 % for SX... instead to instruct us as "on 400 Hz get the lesser THD possible, equal or lesser than..." or to tune the bias to get the higher level on 400 Hz as many techies does? I ever been annoyed by the Dragons bias tune, (user,front pannel) if you set it as instructed in the user manual, I find the sound dull. Quikly I came to proceed as follow: Rec 400 Hz, I set its level in the +3 dB (2nd scale of the meter) region for its relative accuracy then, ever on 400 Hz I turn bias pot to get the best efficiency, (then I set 400 Hz to +2 dB if I record with Dolby to avoid a slight pumping, in short, everytime..) I have no idea how high the THD is when I set my Dragon like that, judging the too high 15 kHz level then (well shaped) what's to think? (as I said above, if 15 k is set to 0 dB or +2 for Dolby, the sound is dull ) By instinct I fell the higher level you get by bias tune, lesser will be THD, now you said a leaky trap will demand more bias to raise 400 Hz with more distortion, I am not so messed but just willing to know in trap combination, between the peaking and the trap, what to adjust first ! You said leaky trap affect a lot the sound...and now my screwdriver itches me ;-) My tweaks on my Dragon where limited til' now to opamp/cap matters and of azimuth motor idle, azimuth phase balance... As I never yet fiddled in bias traps, can you tell me if you see trap re-adjustments as an issue in Dragons, as for the two ones I know, the same way to bias tune is needed to get a sound decent. Thanx a lot Matyas (THD meters are at my work office) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Impressions of an inveterate Nakster of Pioneer CT-S920S > Nick > Pretty interesting when you conduct technical evaluation and listening test - they do not match ? > Here is the case where Frequency response is greater than 22KHz but does not sound good at all. Please look at Sine wave at 1 Khz / 3KHz / 6 KHz / 10 KHz and see how it looks on the tape. Most probably the it records distorted lower hormonics rather than actual wave? > I actually check the wave form at 15 KHz at -20 dB on any of the naks and good wave forms produce exceptional sound while if there is distortion ( even if the amplitude is fine) you will notice the effect on sound. Bias trap had lot of influence on the sound - leaky bias trap needed more bias to start 400Hz level to be allright and cause upper frequency distortion > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jun 6 20:05:22 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:05:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E7@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Take a look at the NEC model number, it is probably a N-968U, I'm not familiar with a 9680. I gather this is a NEC HiFi VHS machine. I'm gathering playback of prerecorded or previously recorded tapes was fine before the repair. Marantz used to buy it's VCR's from NEC and changed the front cosmetics and the board layout behind the front. Marantz may have parts still. You need to determine what the similiar Marantz model would be. such as a Marantz VR-550 is a NEC N-961U. As far as changing speeds and the video heads, normally the recordings start getting streaky as the heads are going bad. If yours just started changing speeds then there is both the video signal from the video heads and the tracking pulse coming from the stationary head to worry about. It sounds to me like the repair person you used forced the NEC to write tracking pulses for the LP mode or it finally failed to that point. My guess is that the control of selecting the speed was going bad and it is now defaulted to LP mode since you did not mention degraded video preformance before the failure started. I have service manuals for the N-961U and the SVHS decks but not the others. You could call NEC as they actually do have master copies of the service manuals still and they may help you after you contact the parts house that bought all the spare parts, cannot remember their name but they are horrible to deal with, they bought all the consumer electronics parts but only list a few parts for sale. Once you have the manual, getting the parts will not be easy. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: marin turea [SMTP:emte at mail.md] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently > occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously > changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy > told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find > original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the > crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i > hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that > machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but > only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make > it ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other > documentation on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me > where to look for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on > this. i want my NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung > replacement vcr i use now, damn it! > i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem , > brothers. thank you. > keep nakkin' > > marin > > ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) > foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is > killing me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > Only > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > high-end > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > the > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > after > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > for > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > whenever > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > older > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > have > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > Sony > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > the > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > do > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > may be > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > might > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > current. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > often. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 21:07:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:07:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: <24.148b6b7a.284fd95c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/2001 3:18:08 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The leader sensing on those other decks is done using an opto-sensor which sits in place of the erase head. Since it is about the only place for it, it can only be done on 2-head, rotary-head decks, where the erase head is sandwiched with the rec/pb head(gee, ain't THAT a wonderful concept in itself) on the rotator ass'y. The only other option is to place the opto-sensor where a reverse-side fixed erase head would be, which would place it after the rec/pb head in tape travel, so would be about a half second late in reversing the tape, rather defeating the purpose. >> ------------- I would agree that the TEAC assembly is a half second late, but no more. And, although it uses a sandwich assembly, the RX-919x is a three head design with two record heads to record in both directions. The TEAC system works very well. However, over the years (my deck is 13 years old) there is a noticeable difference in the sound quality when the you move from side "A" to side "B." The deck is mint and has never been serviced. As I understand, this is typical for these types of decks, I don't know if it's the azimuth alignment that's off on side "B." Anyone familiar with TEAC's "Double Acculign Rotating Head System?" Looks like a typical sandwich assembly to me... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 21:09:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:09:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <99.15ed6ac2.284fd9dd@aol.com> Sounds like a GREAT machine Brian. Nowadays, what is the best VCR to purchase? Does Mitsu still make VCR's? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 21:14:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:14:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E5@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <00e101c0eebc$e3115480$973442cf@sank1> I see you understand well about the Sony's being great machines once you address their glaring flaws. Can't count the number of half-load arm shafts I have de-greased & relub'd the axles of, in R5, 575, 696, etc. Done so many that I can just eyeball the height alignment perfectly first time every time. The old NEC's are the same. I have had several DX-5000's, and now have a couple of DX-3500's & N965's, which, of course, I got for damn near nothing. Repaired the guide post press fittings & realigned the guides, scraped the carbonising glue off of the circuit boards(where jumper wires & etc. were anchored), replaced maybe one cap in each supply & replaced the idler tires & there like new. I was not aware of the DS-8500. I have always wanted to find a DS-8000 cheap, now I can upscale my lust. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > I agree, the last good consumer VCR's were manufactured in 1990/1991. I > prefer the SONY SLV-676, SLV-757 for VHS (The SLV-757 is loaded with all the > same options as in the SLV-R5) and I own some SLV-R5's for SVHS. With the > SLV-R5 I rebuild the power supplies with non-oil filled electroyltic > Capacitors the are high temp switching power supply caps as the original > Sony choice of caps tend to leak and cause failures after a few years, the > earlier units had a weak support for the capstain motor which should be > changed to the upgraded version and the swing arm needs to be checked as the > original Sony lubrication can become tacky if it gets too hot for a long > time. Once these are corrected it is a good stable unit. But as you see > from this it was not the most reliable design being stock. I have not owned > the SLV-R1000 > > I have not owned the Mits HS-U80 SVHS deck but also heard good things about > it. I have owned newer ones and the mits units are particular machines. > Hardest machine I know of to keep the tape path aligned from one machine to > the next so you don't get HiFi dropouts or tracking readjustments. > > I also had a NEC DS-8500U. This was introducted a few months before NEC > withdrew from the US consumer arena. It actually has the best picture I've > seen but is hard to find and NEC does not support their VCR's with parts > anymore. > > I had a JVC HR-S8000 and it was a solid unit but the VHS picture is softer > than with the other above listed units, SVHS was fine buth with a little > more noise. This is much more reliable than the newer JVC units. The newer > units drop options like adjustable audio input controls and are not made to > the same quality. JVC has have tracking issues, white streaking issues for > example with their models that replaced the 8000. > > I have owned Panasonic AG-1970's and they also were pretty good units so I'd > recommend them also. The are really consumer units with a better external > control interface. > > Since I know the quirks with the R5 and can repair myself if required, I've > stuck with the Sony SLV-R5's. > > Kurtis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > Only > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > > Sony > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > > do > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may > > be > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > current. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > often. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Jun 6 21:42:23 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:42:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <99.15ed6ac2.284fd9dd@aol.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c0eec0$d00390c0$55031fac@brianm> Hi Sam, I don't know who makes THE best or if Mitsu still makes VCR's. From what others are saying, it sounds like the best VCR's were made in the past. Sound familiar??? Although I would "think" you could get something decent yet today. Did you get your CR-7A yet? If so, what do you think? How did it compare to your Teac? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > Sounds like a GREAT machine Brian. Nowadays, what is the best VCR to > purchase? Does Mitsu still make VCR's? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 21:46:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:46:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT References: <24.148b6b7a.284fd95c@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c0eec1$74041fa0$973442cf@sank1> The "Acculign" Teac moniker is a load of dingo's kidney's. It's, as you see, no different than any other rotary head system, and drift of the azimuth alignment screw is certainly the issue, due to the constant whacking it gets on reversing. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT > In a message dated 6/6/2001 3:18:08 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << The leader sensing on those other decks is done using an opto-sensor which > sits in place of the erase head. Since it is about the only place for it, > it can only be done on 2-head, rotary-head decks, where the erase head is > sandwiched with the rec/pb head(gee, ain't THAT a wonderful concept in > itself) on the rotator ass'y. The only other option is to place the > opto-sensor where a reverse-side fixed erase head would be, which would > place it after the rec/pb head in tape travel, so would be about a half > second late in reversing the tape, rather defeating the purpose. >> > > ------------- > > I would agree that the TEAC assembly is a half second late, but no more. > And, although it uses a sandwich assembly, the RX-919x is a three head design > with two record heads to record in both directions. The TEAC system works > very well. However, over the years (my deck is 13 years old) there is a > noticeable difference in the sound quality when the you move from side "A" to > side "B." The deck is mint and has never been serviced. As I understand, > this is typical for these types of decks, I don't know if it's the azimuth > alignment that's off on side "B." Anyone familiar with TEAC's "Double > Acculign Rotating Head System?" Looks like a typical sandwich assembly to > me... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 21:48:27 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:48:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <24.148b6b7a.284fd95c@aol.com> Message-ID: I have an old Aiwa piece of crap that rotates the head when you hit autoreverse. There is a simple screw to turn to adjust where the head stops on both sides. Have you checked for this adjustment? Alex > I would agree that the TEAC assembly is a half second late, but no more. > And, although it uses a sandwich assembly, the RX-919x is a three > head design > with two record heads to record in both directions. The TEAC > system works > very well. However, over the years (my deck is 13 years old) there is a > noticeable difference in the sound quality when the you move from > side "A" to > side "B." The deck is mint and has never been serviced. As I > understand, > this is typical for these types of decks, I don't know if it's > the azimuth > alignment that's off on side "B." Anyone familiar with TEAC's "Double > Acculign Rotating Head System?" Looks like a typical sandwich > assembly to > me... > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 21:49:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:49:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> <00c901c0ee9b$37c7b3b0$dbcff7a5@D9569601> <000a01c0eeaa$1628d680$74299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <010901c0eec1$de277300$973442cf@sank1> The VHS hifi system does not use compression/expansion, at least it has never been revealed in the diagrams. The DBX is only used in the MTS TV stereo decoder. The hifi signal actually has ample bandwidth. It sounds mediocre due in part to the fact of being FM recording on separate left & right carriers of a bit over 1mHz in frequency, and partly due to the horrible component quality of the audio circuits of virtually all VHS hifi machines. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > Nakfellows, > > Hi-fi VCR was one of the reason I put off buying pricey nak deck as I > believed I can get 6 hours of 80dB 20hz-20khz flat for music storage at much > lower price. I keep one copy of beta (i'm in asia ...) hifi music > compilation - and it still plays fine on 16 yr old sony hf100es, video is > another story though. > > I read that due to small bandwith left for audio, hi-fi vcrs achieve its > dynamic range through dbx-like compression, is that true ? On 'standard' > dbx equipped deck or using 224 I can hear so called breathing effect, but > none on hi-fi vcr. What effect would this compression has on soundstage etc > ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > I had one of the top JVC higi VCR's; don't recollect the model number but > it > > had all the good stuff inc the seperate right/left input level controls. > I > > bought it in late 1991; it worked fine for about five years and then just > > would not power up one day. The power supply had gone dead and the cost > to > > replace it with labour was prohibitive...according to my tech.....I left > it > > with him for parts. I next bought a dirt cheap hifi stereo jvc for > playing > > back movies; have not used the stereo recording feature since I started > > using DATs anyway > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > Only > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > high-end > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > the > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > after > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > for > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > whenever > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > older > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > have > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > > Sony > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > the > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > > do > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > may > > be > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > might > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > current. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 6 21:55:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:55:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <200106061459.f56EwtT24255@ad.md> Message-ID: <010f01c0eec2$9c095fa0$973442cf@sank1> This problem, speed changing, on your NEC N968U, can be caused by a few different things, but not by a bad video head. The first possibility is the glue that I mentioned, anchoring wires & various kludges to the circuit boards all over the place. The light brown glue turns dark brown after time, and starts to become conductive. Remove all of it & see if the problem disappears. The next possibility is simply the loose guide post issue, which can cause the tape to travel a bit too far off the tracking head track. A pretty obvious problem that only a novice would miss, though. The third possibility is excessive hum on one or more of the power supply lines, caused by failing capacitors in the main supply. 'Bout all I can think of at the moment. I'd be surprised of one or two of these issues didn't cure the problem, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make it ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other documentation on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me where to look for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on this. i want my NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung replacement vcr i use now, damn it! > i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem , brothers. thank you. > keep nakkin' > > marin > > ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is killing me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. Only > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a Sony > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to do > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may be > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess current. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > often. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Jun 6 22:02:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:02:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <99.15ed6ac2.284fd9dd@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B1E8C62.E0BE2E58@pacbell.net> Continuing off topic here. It is a given that VCR's are akin to televisions, but with so many people trending towards home theater, why are there no hi end hifi companies offering a VCR. Understandably, the components would come from several manufacturers so it would not be, for example, a truly McIntosh VCR, but might have a better power supply and improved audio handling/sound, etc? Probably not economically feasible for audio companies, but if McIntosh offered a VCR, I would buy it! Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Sounds like a GREAT machine Brian. Nowadays, what is the best VCR to > purchase? Does Mitsu still make VCR's? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 22:46:45 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:46:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's In-Reply-To: <3B1E8C62.E0BE2E58@pacbell.net> Message-ID: I'll take a Nakamichi VCR-7 :-) Alex > Probably not economically feasible for audio companies, but if > McIntosh offered a VCR, > I would buy it! > > Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 6 23:12:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT In-Reply-To: <00ff01c0eec1$74041fa0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c0eecd$6d70f6c0$d2e5883e@a4s1s2> Stephen Since yours is the Talking DOG Transducer Co. you ought to be more polite about Dingo's!!! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 06 June 2001 20:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT The "Acculign" Teac moniker is a load of dingo's kidney's. It's, as you see, no different than any other rotary head system, and drift of the azimuth alignment screw is certainly the issue, due to the constant whacking it gets on reversing. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jun 6 23:45:46 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:45:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E8@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I agree with this. I think the repair facility took advantage of the situation to make some bucks but I could be wrong. I would look at the stationary head first and then check if the Speed select is actually working, send the correct signal throughout the machine but you'll need a service manual to do that. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:55 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > This problem, speed changing, on your NEC N968U, can be caused by a few > different things, but not by a bad video head. The first possibility is > the > glue that I mentioned, anchoring wires & various kludges to the circuit > boards all over the place. The light brown glue turns dark brown after > time, and starts to become conductive. Remove all of it & see if the > problem disappears. The next possibility is simply the loose guide post > issue, which can cause the tape to travel a bit too far off the tracking > head track. A pretty obvious problem that only a novice would miss, > though. > The third possibility is excessive hum on one or more of the power supply > lines, caused by failing capacitors in the main supply. 'Bout all I can > think of at the moment. I'd be surprised of one or two of these issues > didn't cure the problem, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marin turea" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently > occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously > changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy > told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find > original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the > crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i > hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that > machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but > only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make > it > ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other > documentation > on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me where to look > for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on this. i want > my > NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung replacement vcr i use > now, damn it! > > i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem > , > brothers. thank you. > > keep nakkin' > > > > marin > > > > ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) > foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is > killing > me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > > > > > > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > Only > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > high-end > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so > well > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > the > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > after > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > for > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > whenever > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > older > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba > used. > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > have > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having > a > Sony > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > the > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing > on. > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying > to > do > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > may be > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > might > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > current. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 23:48:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:48:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon questions, URGENT Message-ID: <5f.162d1910.284fff17@aol.com> Yes, someone from Naktalkers owns a similar model and has forwarded to me the directions for adjusting the azimuth. Looks like a weekend project, thanks for asking. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jun 6 23:54:29 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:54:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E9@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> The NEC DS-8500U was very short lived here in the US. The noise is very low on this machine and the picture is sharp. This machine was commented in write-ups as having extremely low noise and then it has 5 steps of DVNR if you want to use that. It looks a little like a Panasonic AG-1970 from the front layout. I was amazed with how good the picture looked. My original NEC SVHS was the 8000 then I upgraded to a 8000MKII to get the flying erase head. I tried to get a 8500 but when NEC said they were pulling out of the market the price of the 8500's actually inflated and people were paying a premium above list to get them. There is also a industrial PC controlled version of the DS-8500U but I cannot remember the model number right now. I am happy settling with the Sony SLV-R5's as they are also very good. Just wish newer VCR's were made to the quality of these. I'll have to keep my R5's going longer. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > I see you understand well about the Sony's being great machines once you > address their glaring flaws. Can't count the number of half-load arm > shafts > I have de-greased & relub'd the axles of, in R5, 575, 696, etc. Done so > many that I can just eyeball the height alignment perfectly first time > every > time. > The old NEC's are the same. I have had several DX-5000's, and now have a > couple of DX-3500's & N965's, which, of course, I got for damn near > nothing. Repaired the guide post press fittings & realigned the guides, > scraped the carbonising glue off of the circuit boards(where jumper wires > & > etc. were anchored), replaced maybe one cap in each supply & replaced the > idler tires & there like new. > I was not aware of the DS-8500. I have always wanted to find a DS-8000 > cheap, now I can upscale my lust. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > I agree, the last good consumer VCR's were manufactured in 1990/1991. I > > prefer the SONY SLV-676, SLV-757 for VHS (The SLV-757 is loaded with all > the > > same options as in the SLV-R5) and I own some SLV-R5's for SVHS. With > the > > SLV-R5 I rebuild the power supplies with non-oil filled electroyltic > > Capacitors the are high temp switching power supply caps as the original > > Sony choice of caps tend to leak and cause failures after a few years, > the > > earlier units had a weak support for the capstain motor which should be > > changed to the upgraded version and the swing arm needs to be checked as > the > > original Sony lubrication can become tacky if it gets too hot for a long > > time. Once these are corrected it is a good stable unit. But as you > see > > from this it was not the most reliable design being stock. I have not > owned > > the SLV-R1000 > > > > I have not owned the Mits HS-U80 SVHS deck but also heard good things > about > > it. I have owned newer ones and the mits units are particular machines. > > Hardest machine I know of to keep the tape path aligned from one machine > to > > the next so you don't get HiFi dropouts or tracking readjustments. > > > > I also had a NEC DS-8500U. This was introducted a few months before NEC > > withdrew from the US consumer arena. It actually has the best picture > I've > > seen but is hard to find and NEC does not support their VCR's with parts > > anymore. > > > > I had a JVC HR-S8000 and it was a solid unit but the VHS picture is > softer > > than with the other above listed units, SVHS was fine buth with a little > > more noise. This is much more reliable than the newer JVC units. The > newer > > units drop options like adjustable audio input controls and are not made > to > > the same quality. JVC has have tracking issues, white streaking issues > for > > example with their models that replaced the 8000. > > > > I have owned Panasonic AG-1970's and they also were pretty good units so > I'd > > recommend them also. The are really consumer units with a better > external > > control interface. > > > > Since I know the quirks with the R5 and can repair myself if required, > I've > > stuck with the Sony SLV-R5's. > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:11 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > > Only > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > high-end > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so > well > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > the > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > after > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > for > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > whenever > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > older > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba > used. > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > have > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having > a > > > Sony > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > the > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing > on. > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying > to > > > do > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > may > > > be > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > might > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > > current. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 6 23:54:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:54:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <22.171688c8.28500091@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/2001 2:44:25 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << brianm at grar.com >> Hi Brian, Praise the Lord! How are you? Blessed I pray. God has given me sooooooooooooo much favor with this deck. It finally arrived at Stephen's and he has to fix the bias drift issue. He will give the deck a once over to make sure everything is correct and I should have it in a 2 weeks max. He even suggested changing the face plate to make it look like new, a repair I can do at home. Once it has the new faceplate, it will be 10/10. I will make you a recording once it arrives. I have to work on the TEAC this weekend, the controls are not working and it appears the buttons are stuck. I can't record on the TEAC at the moment, so I won't be able to make a cassette on it just yet. I am very excited about finally getting a CR-7 and thank God for the favor he's given me. I'll keep you posted. What about you, purchased anything lately? Hey, I noticed during a commercial that the new Lexus have ML systems? I didn't know ML made care components. Are you familiar with the ML car components? Be Blessed! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 7 00:38:08 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:38:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC94E8@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <009b01c0eed9$5d4300c0$facff7a5@D9569601> Probably has more to do with the fact that this tech is a real high end guy and probably just did not want to get into it too much; he'd rather service my audio note and nakamichi stuff but, then again......perhaps I took it like a man? carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > I agree with this. I think the repair facility took advantage of the > situation to make some bucks but I could be wrong. I would look at the > stationary head first and then check if the Speed select is actually > working, send the correct signal throughout the machine but you'll need a > service manual to do that. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:55 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > This problem, speed changing, on your NEC N968U, can be caused by a few > > different things, but not by a bad video head. The first possibility is > > the > > glue that I mentioned, anchoring wires & various kludges to the circuit > > boards all over the place. The light brown glue turns dark brown after > > time, and starts to become conductive. Remove all of it & see if the > > problem disappears. The next possibility is simply the loose guide post > > issue, which can cause the tape to travel a bit too far off the tracking > > head track. A pretty obvious problem that only a novice would miss, > > though. > > The third possibility is excessive hum on one or more of the power supply > > lines, caused by failing capacitors in the main supply. 'Bout all I can > > think of at the moment. I'd be surprised of one or two of these issues > > didn't cure the problem, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently > > occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously > > changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy > > told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find > > original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the > > crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i > > hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that > > machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but > > only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make > > it > > ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other > > documentation > > on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me where to look > > for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on this. i want > > my > > NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung replacement vcr i use > > now, damn it! > > > i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem > > , > > brothers. thank you. > > > keep nakkin' > > > > > > marin > > > > > > ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) > > foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is > > killing > > me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > Only > > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > > high-end > > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so > > well > > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > > the > > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > > after > > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > > for > > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > > whenever > > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > > older > > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba > > used. > > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > > have > > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having > > a > > Sony > > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > > the > > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing > > on. > > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying > > to > > do > > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > > may be > > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > > might > > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > current. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jun 7 00:42:52 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:42:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <22.171688c8.28500091@aol.com> Message-ID: <016001c0eeda$067fe4a0$55031fac@brianm> Sam, Yes, I have read a review of the ML system is the Lexus cars as well as there have been some discussions on some audio forums. Like all systems, the environment plays a big part in the sound. That said, the system doesn't sound as good in the convertible as the hard tops. I forget which model, but one of them they very impressed, whereby you could forget you were in a car. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > In a message dated 6/6/2001 2:44:25 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com > writes: > > << brianm at grar.com >> > > Hi Brian, > > Praise the Lord! How are you? Blessed I pray. God has given me > sooooooooooooo much favor with this deck. It finally arrived at Stephen's > and he has to fix the bias drift issue. He will give the deck a once over to > make sure everything is correct and I should have it in a 2 weeks max. He > even suggested changing the face plate to make it look like new, a repair I > can do at home. Once it has the new faceplate, it will be 10/10. I will > make you a recording once it arrives. > > I have to work on the TEAC this weekend, the controls are not working and it > appears the buttons are stuck. I can't record on the TEAC at the moment, so > I won't be able to make a cassette on it just yet. I am very excited about > finally getting a CR-7 and thank God for the favor he's given me. I'll keep > you posted. > > What about you, purchased anything lately? Hey, I noticed during a > commercial that the new Lexus have ML systems? I didn't know ML made care > components. Are you familiar with the ML car components? > > Be Blessed! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jun 7 02:32:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:32:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: Hi Brian, I've always enjoyed the sound environment of the Lexus sedans, I do believe they use Bose speakers, but there were many and the sound was very rich and full. I haven't heard the ML stuff, but I'm sure it sounds great. Too much at steak in that market for anything less than great sound. What else is going on with you? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Fixed after replacing those microbuttons - his problem was a shorted one and caused weird things. Quite easy to do but on his case I need to fully disassemble the front plate. Congrats on your CR7, looks like I didn't pray hard enough ... :-) Good luck, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > In a message dated 6/6/2001 2:44:25 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com > writes: > > << brianm at grar.com >> > > Hi Brian, > > Praise the Lord! How are you? Blessed I pray. God has given me > sooooooooooooo much favor with this deck. It finally arrived at Stephen's > and he has to fix the bias drift issue. He will give the deck a once over to > make sure everything is correct and I should have it in a 2 weeks max. He > even suggested changing the face plate to make it look like new, a repair I > can do at home. Once it has the new faceplate, it will be 10/10. I will > make you a recording once it arrives. > > I have to work on the TEAC this weekend, the controls are not working and it > appears the buttons are stuck. I can't record on the TEAC at the moment, so > I won't be able to make a cassette on it just yet. I am very excited about > finally getting a CR-7 and thank God for the favor he's given me. I'll keep > you posted. > > What about you, purchased anything lately? Hey, I noticed during a > commercial that the new Lexus have ML systems? I didn't know ML made care > components. Are you familiar with the ML car components? > > Be Blessed! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jun 7 05:22:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:22:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's .. more on teac switch Message-ID: <68.fbe4c69.28504d87@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/2001 9:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam, that's similar to my friend's teac v850 problem. Push FF and it will go to play, press pause and it'll record ! Fixed after replacing those microbuttons - his problem was a shorted one and caused weird things. Quite easy to do but on his case I need to fully disassemble the front plate. Congrats on your CR7, looks like I didn't pray hard enough ... :-) >> Thanks Salim, I'll give it a try and let you know what happens. Are there any, for lack of words, better built buttons that I could possible replace those plastic microbuttons with that you are aware of? My play buttons has slipped, so I believe I will have to take it apart this weekend to correct. Re: the CR-7, thank you. It is in Stephen's hands at the moment and I fully expect it to arrive sounding pristine and in great working condition! Hey, your prayers were answered, there are two mint CR-7's on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241890889 and, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1241890889 And, if you're interested.... ZX-9 for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243160721 ZX-7 for sale (two) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1242711474 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1242933513 Dragon (two) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243471326 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243471326 There's even a CR-4, and several 700 II's including John's from Nak Talkers which I understand is one of the best 700 II's out there: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243928569 So, "...it's raining Naks,..." happy bidding. Please let me know if you purchase one of these decks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 7 08:07:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:07:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon References: <20010607042806.2467C1DFB68@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01ca01c0ef18$2a515240$973442cf@sank1> Kannan, I am very glad that you have the time & typing skills to write such excellent instructions. Only two things I will add: 1) Give the unit one hour warm up before adjusting oscillator & meter levels. 2) For best front panel bias/level setting, use Bias controls to maximise 400Hz level, then trim to 0vu with Level pots. Then, use 15kHz to trim Bias to proper level. Then, re-check 400Hz level & adjust if needed with Level pots. This should give the optimum bias for any tape, unless something is wrong. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > > Matyas > Let me try to get one by one for you to do the Dragon wrok neatly. > You need some of the Nak test tapes to set Dragon to work correctly like 1) Azimuth 15 Khz/ 2) 400Hz level and 3)track alignment tape ( this does not affect anyway the record quality). > You have to go by the service manual steps > Meter adjustments first > Tone oscillator adjustment > Playback level adjustments. > After doing all these, your dragon should work correctly provided Head ( Record head/ Playhead ) alignment is OK. What I found in my Dragon is accuracy of the meter is slightly off but that does not produce dull sound anyway as I had calibrated tone oscillator and play back record circuits correctly. My bias trap was functioning allright in Dragon with slight change which would not affect the record quality anyway. > However if you find the sound quality is not OK , check record peaking adjustment and bias trap check. For peaking you have to disable the bias oscillator by removing bias cut jumper and feeding 20 Khz at -20 dB level ( see you need to setup the meter and other reference level properly as all the steps refer to ref 0dB 400Hz and that should relate to play head flux level for correct record /play response)to input and checking the output at the record amp output using VTVM or True RMS DMM- test points provided and refer service manual. Do not try to adjust the peaking Inductors until your bias trap check is done. Record peaking Inductor has small range like 11 - 16 dB of boost at 20 Khz but generally I found the original setting was almost allright like bias trap coil. The manual asks you to set 23 Khz at +16 dB but you can use 20 Khz at +13 dB as I do not have 23 Khz audio tone generator. > > Bias trap is checked by keeping the Dragon in record pause mode ( to keep the bias oscillator on )and checking the level of 105 Khz bias leakage signal level at test point ( at the out put of record amp before the bias trap coil!) applying no signal and checking this reqires VTVM/ TRMS DMM or Oscilloscope. Preferable is VTVM/ DMM. At this test try adjusting bias trap coil and see the signal amplitude is the lowest - for Metal tape position, I found around 300 milli Volt RMS at this test point (for 9 V RMS 105 Khz bias signal at the recording head). For Chrom postion and normal tape position the signal level will be less as bias signal level applied on record head is less. This leakge seems OK but if that goes down to 200milli Volt it is definitely better. Whereas I found 500millivolt RMS at the test point in BX300 caused audible distortion and after reducing it by replacing a cap cured the problem. > > Your problem seems more of alignment of Tone oscillator to playback level. If they do not match your setting the level and bias using the external adjustments are not correct and cause such problems.( My guess may be wrong but you have to check it out) > Secondly Nakamichi has chosen 400Hz 0 VU level as standard and wants you to check the distortion levels are below 0.8% for metal tape to ensure adherence to their published specs. If you adjust properly, Dragon might yield less than half that distortion or even less at 0 VU - Stephen can vouch for this statement. > Also I know you are itching to wield your screw Driver and without proper test tapes, please do not try as you may end up with bizarre results!Since I have seen many Naks after so many years of use do not show deviations from original setting which is as close to the service manual. > > My general advice is to have atleast Nak refrence 400Hz level tape alone and that would be enough to set the correct reord / replay / meter levels in any Nak. Hope I answered allright? > > Some used Nak test tapes are allready on ebay ! check it out > - 15 Khz azimuth tape > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244115295 > > 3 Khz wow and flutter tape > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244115531 > > Track alignment tape > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244116764 > > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > > > >Hi Kannan, as you are referring to 400 Hz level on the bias tune, > >I have some questions about it. > > > > I have not a distortion meter and want to know why Nak tell us to obtain > >i.e 0.8 % thd for ZX , 1 % for SX... instead to instruct us as "on 400 Hz > >get the lesser THD possible, equal or lesser than..." or to tune the bias to > >get the higher level on 400 Hz as many techies does? > > > >I ever been annoyed by the Dragons bias tune, (user,front pannel) if you set > >it as instructed in the user manual, I find the sound dull. Quikly I came to > >proceed as follow: > > > >Rec 400 Hz, I set its level in the +3 dB (2nd scale of the meter) region > >for its relative accuracy then, ever on 400 Hz I turn bias pot to get the > >best efficiency, (then I set 400 Hz to +2 dB if I record with Dolby to avoid > >a slight pumping, in short, everytime..) > > > >I have no idea how high the THD is when I set my Dragon like that, judging > >the too high 15 kHz level then (well shaped) what's to think? (as I said > >above, if 15 k is set to 0 dB or +2 for Dolby, the sound is dull ) > >By instinct I fell the higher level you get by bias tune, lesser will be > >THD, now you said a leaky trap will demand more bias to raise 400 Hz with > >more distortion, I am not so messed but just willing to know in trap > >combination, between the peaking and the trap, what to adjust first ! > > > >You said leaky trap affect a lot the sound...and now my screwdriver itches > >me ;-) > > > >My tweaks on my Dragon where limited til' now to opamp/cap matters and of > >azimuth motor idle, azimuth phase balance... As I never yet fiddled in bias > >traps, can you tell me if you see trap re-adjustments as an issue in > >Dragons, as for the two ones I know, the same way to bias tune is needed to > >get a sound decent. > > > >Thanx a lot > >Matyas > > > >(THD meters are at my work office) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Jun 7 11:19:00 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:19:00 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's Message-ID: <200106070919.f579J0T25314@ad.md> thank you all for replying, i've already printed your suggestions and i'm on the way to the repairman. well, it is a PAL european model, so i'm right, it's 9680. you have to pull down the front pannel to insert the tape, very sexy... and has not (and never had) all those shiny color stickers and marks on it. thanks again, i'm out now. bye marin > Take a look at the NEC model number, it is probably a N-968U, I'm not > familiar with a 9680. I gather this is a NEC HiFi VHS machine. I'm > gathering playback of prerecorded or previously recorded tapes was fine > before the repair. Marantz used to buy it's VCR's from NEC and changed the > front cosmetics and the board layout behind the front. Marantz may have > parts still. You need to determine what the similiar Marantz model would > be. such as a Marantz VR-550 is a NEC N-961U. As far as changing speeds > and the video heads, normally the recordings start getting streaky as the > heads are going bad. If yours just started changing speeds then there is > both the video signal from the video heads and the tracking pulse coming > from the stationary head to worry about. It sounds to me like the repair > person you used forced the NEC to write tracking pulses for the LP mode or > it finally failed to that point. My guess is that the control of selecting > the speed was going bad and it is now defaulted to LP mode since you did not > mention degraded video preformance before the failure started. I have > service manuals for the N-961U and the SVHS decks but not the others. You > could call NEC as they actually do have master copies of the service manuals > still and they may help you after you contact the parts house that bought > all the spare parts, cannot remember their name but they are horrible to > deal with, they bought all the consumer electronics parts but only list a > few parts for sale. Once you have the manual, getting the parts will not be > easy. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: marin turea [SMTP:emte at mail.md] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:59 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > what a good opportunity to ask you guys about a problem that recently > > occured to my vcr (NEC N-9680)- it started to record badly, continuously > > changing the speed, the counter got mad. i took it to the repair, the guy > > told me the record heads are finished. he said it is impossible to find > > original parts, so he asked me if would agree that he would "change the > > crystals" (i'm tech illiterate, so forgive me if i say stupidities, but i > > hope you get the point here...). i said yes be cause i really love that > > machine. well, he performed the operation, and my video records now, but > > only in long-play mode! and the guy just doesn't know what to do to make > > it ok. the main problem is that i have no schematics or any other > > documentation on the machine, so, please, if anybody here could suggest me > > where to look for the problem and i'll tell the repairman your thoughts on > > this. i want my NEC back also be cause i'm tired of a stupid Samsung > > replacement vcr i use now, damn it! > > i would appreciate any suggestion from you in order to solve my problem , > > brothers. thank you. > > keep nakkin' > > > > marin > > > > ps: would Mr. Sank which said he is "very familiar with their (nec vcr) > > foibles" would help me? please, Stephen, have mercy, the samsung is > > killing me... uh..- uuh...- aaaa-a....... > > > > > > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > Only > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > > high-end > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > > the > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > > after > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > > for > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > > whenever > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > > older > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > > have > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > > Sony > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > > the > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > > do > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > > may be > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > > might > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > current. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal 11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 15:38:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:38:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B1F83F3.94DBB33A@concentric.net> I can reiterate Stephen's mention of the Toshiba SV-F990. I bought mine in October 1989. At the time it was the best I could find (it turned out to be the best prosumer VCR ever made (IMHO, far better than the Sony R5, whose picture tends to be on the soft side or the Sony R1000 that is not as reliable). IIRC, the SV-F990 listed at $2000. I got mine for $1,300, mail order. A similar VCR recently went on ebay for $600 (IMO, worth every penny). The machine came with 2 manuals -- a 90 page general user's manual, plus a separate 40 page manual for using the digital features. The SV-F990 does wipes, dissolves, fades, etc. It has a built in titler, plus the ability to assemble-edit up to 8 segments at a time, automatically, in conjunction with other Toshiba VCRs that understand the communication protocol. It came with a hand-held scanner for superimposing pictures onto the video, and a microphone for audio dubbing. Picture quality was amazingly good for the time and needs absolutely no apologies, even today. This was before Toshiba build quality deteriorated to its current level (somewhere between 'junk' and 'garbage'). This VCR lasted over 10 years, through fairly active use, until late last year, when PB suddenly became extremely noisy. I took it to the Toshiba Key Repair Center in Boston, where they claimed it needed 3 new ICs (a lie) that cost, they said, over $200. They also damaged the mechanics, for which they charged $25. Next, I took it to another Toshiba Key Repair Center. They couldn't fix the mechanism (lying it needed parts no longer available) and charged another $25 for telling me to discard the VCR. Luckily, Stephen agreed to repair the machine (he even has the Service Manual for it) . He brought it back to original condition (neither ICs nor unavailable parts were required) and it's working like a top to this day. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. Only > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built high-end > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, the > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp after > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but for > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or whenever > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of older > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least have > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a Sony > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into the > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to do > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it may be > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you might > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess current. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > would be very appreciative. > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > often. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > except through Me. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 15:49:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:49:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> <00c901c0ee9b$37c7b3b0$dbcff7a5@D9569601> <000a01c0eeaa$1628d680$74299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B1F865D.62E3F390@concentric.net> I used to record comparatively long audio works on 6 hour VHS tapes. Sound quality was excellent. The disadvantage was the inconvenience of exact indexing and assemble editing, though the search functions were very useful. Eventually, though, I gravitated towards cassette tapes. The bandwidth of VHS HiFi is quite wide. AFAIK, there is no compression (DBX is a noise reduction system, not compression). Today, I no longer have any VHS audio recordings. I never got 'breathing' or noise modulation on my recordings. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Nakfellows, > > Hi-fi VCR was one of the reason I put off buying pricey nak deck as I > believed I can get 6 hours of 80dB 20hz-20khz flat for music storage at much > lower price. I keep one copy of beta (i'm in asia ...) hifi music > compilation - and it still plays fine on 16 yr old sony hf100es, video is > another story though. > > I read that due to small bandwith left for audio, hi-fi vcrs achieve its > dynamic range through dbx-like compression, is that true ? On 'standard' > dbx equipped deck or using 224 I can hear so called breathing effect, but > none on hi-fi vcr. What effect would this compression has on soundstage etc > ? > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > I had one of the top JVC higi VCR's; don't recollect the model number but > it > > had all the good stuff inc the seperate right/left input level controls. > I > > bought it in late 1991; it worked fine for about five years and then just > > would not power up one day. The power supply had gone dead and the cost > to > > replace it with labour was prohibitive...according to my tech.....I left > it > > with him for parts. I next bought a dirt cheap hifi stereo jvc for > playing > > back movies; have not used the stereo recording feature since I started > > using DATs anyway > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > The HS-U80 was, IMO, the last of the well-built top end Mitsubishi's. > > Only > > > Mitsu I would dare own. I think that the best really well-built > high-end > > > VHS was the Toshiba SV-F990. The best VHS otherwise, i.e., not so well > > > built nor as reliable, was/is the Sony SLV-R1000, with it's precursor, > the > > > SLV-R5 being a close second. The JVC's never quite made it to the > > > performance level of the Sony or Toshiba, and their reliability, esp > after > > > five or more years, has been terrible. ALL makes of VHS machines, but > for > > > the Sony R1000, have gone horribly downhill since around 1990, or > whenever > > > it was that the SV-F990 was current. Personally, I own a couple of > older > > > NEC machines, which originated the mechanism that the F990 Toshiba used. > > > They have their foibles, which I am very familiar with, but at least > have > > > linear power supplies, and are built very well. Wouldn't mind having a > > Sony > > > R1000 or R5, but I'd sure as hell put the best caps I could find into > the > > > switch-mode power supply right away, before I even turned the thing on. > > > Scott: During the 20 seconds, do you detect the mechanism trying to > > do > > > anything? If it seems the threading motor is trying to move, then it > may > > be > > > the very common bad mode switch problem in the mech. Otherwise, you > might > > > have other caps outside the power supply going bad & pulling excess > > current. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Johnson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > > > > > > > > > I have a JVC HR-S8000U. SVHS, digital effects, HiFi, > > > > flying erase head, etc, etc. > > > > > > > > It's been working fine for the last 10+ years, but, > > > > now it's partially brain dead. If anyone has the > > > > schematics or can help me troubleshoot this unit I > > > > would be very appreciative. > > > > > > > > The display works fine. When I press the power button > > > > the display comes to life like it should, but, after > > > > 20 seconds or so it turns itself off. I have replaces > > > > the filter caps in the switching mode power supply > > > > like Mr. Sank suggested, but, that didn't help. I > > > > think the problem is with the controller for the > > > > mechanism, but, I'm not sure. All the voltages from > > > > the power supply seem OK. > > > > > > > > Scott J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > I was curious as to how many on Naktalk also have a > > > > > high quality VCR? > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this as I was re-hooking mine up > > > > > tonight. I bought it about 7 years ago and paid > > > > > around $650. I have NO regrets!! Not only is it > > > > > simple to use, but picture quality is awesome. It > > > > > is a Mitsubishi HS-059. You can freeze frame and > > > > > have little to no distortion in the picture at all. > > > > > > > > > > I have felt bad for not taking it in to be cleaned > > > > > over the years. A belt came off last week so I sent > > > > > it in to be fixed and cleaned. They noted it was > > > > > very clean. I only buy quality tapes and cycle them > > > > > out every so often. I record different things quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > > > > truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father > > > > > except through Me. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 16:03:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:03:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <99.15ed6ac2.284fd9dd@aol.com> <3B1E8C62.E0BE2E58@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B1F899D.C64E6166@concentric.net> For PB only, VHS VCRs offer no advantage (and several serious disadvantages) over DVD players, that can be bought nowadays for less than a couple of hundred dollars. For recording, VCRs can be used to time shift broadcast TV or copy self made tapes (neither of which will benefit from high end performance). DVDs employ copy protection that thwart copying by the general public (even though it's ridiculously easy to defeat). For these reasons, there is a very limited market for high end VCRs. What market exists, it is currently served by VDRs (Digital Video Recorders), that are currently commanding 4 digit prices. People that insist on VHS (actually, S-VHS) recording are limited to very few choices: the Sony R1000 or Panasonics AG-1980 type machines. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Continuing off topic here. It is a given that VCR's are akin to televisions, but with > so many people trending towards home theater, why are there no hi end hifi companies > offering a VCR. Understandably, the components would come from several manufacturers > so it would not be, for example, a truly McIntosh VCR, but might have a better power > supply and improved audio handling/sound, etc? > > Probably not economically feasible for audio companies, but if McIntosh offered a VCR, > I would buy it! > > Brian > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Sounds like a GREAT machine Brian. Nowadays, what is the best VCR to > > purchase? Does Mitsu still make VCR's? > > > > -Sam > > = ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 7 16:17:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:17:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's .. more on teac switch References: <68.fbe4c69.28504d87@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0ef5d$ab49a060$8c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, You have plenty of built options in US, while I'm limited to changing crappy buttons every 10 yr or so ... not too bad actually. :-) Thanks for ebay links of those nice decks, but certainly I'm not in the same 'league' .... my used 3 head naks averaged $99 which include a dragon, but most costly one was minty 682zx at $150 (that was mainly because of currency depreciation of course, and my income is also less than a quarter of its '97 value - in US$ terms). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's .. more on teac switch > In a message dated 6/6/2001 9:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > Thanks Salim, I'll give it a try and let you know what happens. Are there > any, for lack of words, better built buttons that I could possible replace > those plastic microbuttons with that you are aware of? My play buttons has > slipped, so I believe I will have to take it apart this weekend to correct. > > Re: the CR-7, thank you. It is in Stephen's hands at the moment and I fully > expect it to arrive sounding pristine and in great working condition! Hey, > your prayers were answered, there are two mint CR-7's on eBay right now: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 19:09:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible References: <41.bffb6c1.28454891@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B1FB52C.77D0B2E@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All! > > I've been "bouncing" around a question with a few friends and wanted to ask > the collective wisdom of this group to help come to an answer recording a few > cassette recording techniques. > > (1) In order to make the best possible cassette recording, do any you advise > first playing a blank cassette on both sides to allow the tape to "breath" or > achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested this to me, and in all of my > years of recording I've never played a cassette just to let it "run" in my > machine before recording. In theory, there is something to that. Not because the tape needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind better during the recording run if it was first wound lightly and not packed. I do not believe that in real world terms, playing the blank tape first will buy you much if you are doing the recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high quality mechanism) deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will pass the tape over the heads correctly, regardless of whether the tape came tightly or lightly wound. > (2) Conversely, should you "take up" the slack and tighten a blank cassette > before recording? I've done this in the past and I don't know if it helps or > actually hurts the tapes performance over time. If I tighten a blank > cassette, it will eventually loosen as it is played, so theoretically it is > not being recorded in its optimum state? Yes/No? Absolutely not. Packing the tape could stretch it, causing wow in the future. In addition, by packing the tape you are now requiring a lot more from the transport. OTOH, because I may store a tape for months (or even years) before playing it again, I *never* store a tape after rewinding or FFing it. I *always* make sure it plays to the end (so it's lightly and uniformly wound) before putting it away. > (3) Finally, do any of you advance the leader before recording? I usually > just let it run in my machine and then designate where I want the recording > to begin by pressing the pause button. I've been working with a group and > when recording a lecture series the guy training me always manually advances > the cassette to the point where the leader ends and the tape begins and then > begins recording. In the past, I've always left a little leader at both the > beginning and end of my cassettes. Just curious if there are any benefits to > this technique. I always make sure I do not 'record' the first few seconds on the leader. Unfortunately, Naks take up the cassette slack on insertion, so putting the cassette in with the leader/tape splice exactly right, does not guarantee that it will remain right. One way is to start recording, then wait until dark tape shows in the cassette take up window before starting the source. This has the disadvantage that the start delay may end up too long. Another way is to start recording with the monitoring volume way up. Push Pause as soon as the hiss jumps higher (this happens at the leader/tape splice). Then, REDUCE VOLUME. Then, release Pause and start the source concurrently. This assures that the recording starts immediately after the leader ends. Con: if you forget to reduce the volume you can blow your speakers... -- Ron > > As always, thank you all for your help and I look forward to receiving your > responses. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 19:14:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:14:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource References: <000601c0e897$9d39f1e0$43427bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B1FB66F.83B3669B@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What about > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > Graham I have used C-120 on Nak 700 and 582 with no ill results, even after 20 years. I can no longer obtain the formulations I like at this length, but have more recently used C-100 and C-110 very successfully. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 7 19:20:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:20:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 References: <20010531034427.D2CC71DFBBB@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B1FB7EF.C618D008@concentric.net> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Graham > congrats for your newer acquisition! > I felt somehow ZX9 playback is really amazing - I suspect (like Stephen > said)that it may be due to its playback circuitry+ its DD motor. > Otherwise ZX9 is 582 in different packaging. Ahhh... That explains it. One of the things that amazed me when I replaced my 582 with a CR-7 was how good the old recordings sounded. I believe I even mentioned this here at the time. -- Ron > kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:10 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > >I love the way it can be tuned manually and that the replay Eq' is > >switchable (as it is on my old Aiwa and Superscope C320.) What amazes me is > >how stable is the sound WITHOUT me giving it a regulated power supply - says > >a lot for the internal PS components and design. It's so steady you'd think > >it was running off batteries. > > > >G > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >SBarr12393 at aol.com > >Sent: 30 May 2001 20:43 > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > > > > >Hi Graham, > > > >What's is your most favorite aspect/function of the ZX-9 to date? > > > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 7 22:29:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:29:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource In-Reply-To: <3B1FB66F.83B3669B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c0ef90$8b1c7140$7dcc193e@a4s1s2> Hi Ron BASF Sound II Chrome tapes are still available in the UK in C120 length. Is that to your taste? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 07 June 2001 18:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource Graham Nelson wrote: > > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What about > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > Graham I have used C-120 on Nak 700 and 582 with no ill results, even after 20 years. I can no longer obtain the formulations I like at this length, but have more recently used C-100 and C-110 very successfully. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 8 00:51:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:51:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource References: <000001c0ef90$8b1c7140$7dcc193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B200566.5456A076@concentric.net> Thanks, Graham. After the last discussion about TDK, I ordered a bunch of MA-90 and MA-110 cassettes (not to mention, a couple of boxes of DSP T-120 video cassettes). These should last me for quite a while. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hi Ron > > BASF Sound II Chrome tapes are still available in the UK in C120 length. Is > that to your taste? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 07 June 2001 18:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What > about > > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > > > Graham > > I have used C-120 on Nak 700 and 582 with no ill results, > even after 20 years. I can no longer obtain the formulations > I like at this length, but have more recently used C-100 and > C-110 very successfully. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 02:46:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:46:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's .. more on teac switch Message-ID: <22.172abc0b.28517a66@aol.com> Your welcome Salim. Hey, please let me know of a Dragon for $99.00 my friend! Chat with you later. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 03:54:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:54:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: <57.173d5a64.28518a6d@aol.com> Thanks Ron! I appreciate all of your advise. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Jun 8 04:31:18 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:31:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource In-Reply-To: <3B200566.5456A076@concentric.net> Message-ID: Our discussions prompted me to stock on the audio tapes too. Considering the fact that I prefer metal tapes, and already have a bunch of TDK MA's, more or less the only metal tapes you can get in Chicago, I came back from a recent trip to Toronto with a bunch of Maxell MX-S 90's and 100's, TDK MA-X 60's, FUJI Z-Metal 100's, and Sony Metal SR-90's and SR-100's. Now, I need some stuff to record on them ... Looks like FUJI Z-Metal works very well with my JVC TD-V66 which is well alligned with my Nissan/Bose system, so I have been doing some compilations for the car (I still find it much easier to do compilations on tape than burn CD-R's sourced of 20 disks). The Maxell's look the most robust, and I have heard so many good comments about these tapes, so I will leave these for the critical recordings using the CR4A. I hope to do some playing around with SONY SR and TDK MA-X. The latter is some sort of an old batch, dating back to 1988 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thu, June 07, 2001 5:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource Thanks, Graham. After the last discussion about TDK, I ordered a bunch of MA-90 and MA-110 cassettes (not to mention, a couple of boxes of DSP T-120 video cassettes). These should last me for quite a while. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hi Ron > > BASF Sound II Chrome tapes are still available in the UK in C120 length. Is > that to your taste? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 07 June 2001 18:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What > about > > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > > > Graham > > I have used C-120 on Nak 700 and 582 with no ill results, > even after 20 years. I can no longer obtain the formulations > I like at this length, but have more recently used C-100 and > C-110 very successfully. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 8 07:40:31 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:10:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon Message-ID: <20010608054031.164B01DFC35@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 8 07:51:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:21:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Message-ID: <20010608055111.6B1C51DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 8 08:05:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:35:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: <20010608060534.F2C061DFB8F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 08:29:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:29:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 Message-ID: <11c.69935.2851cac6@aol.com> Wow, CR-7, ZX-9, Dragon - it must be nice to play around with three of the best decks ever built. Fun toys...enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 08:34:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:34:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: <72.b65b017.2851cbe6@aol.com> Hi Kannan, Thanks. I've recently noticed that a few MA-XG's and BASF recordings I made back in the 80's sound muffled. Unfortunately, the MA-XG became wet in storage so I believe that had something to do with the sound degradation. I have another MA-XG that has also lost some luster over the years, don't know why. For what it's worth, as much as I liked that tape, all of my old Maxell XL-II's sound just as good as when they were first recorded. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 10:34:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 04:34:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed Message-ID: <95.bad137e.2851e827@aol.com> Hi All, I was unable to access the Nak ftp website and wanted to ask what was the correct site location and password. Thank you in advance. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 8 11:13:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:13:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed References: <95.bad137e.2851e827@aol.com> Message-ID: <039701c0effb$38b21ac0$973442cf@sank1> http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ Username: naktalk Password: gearmod Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed > Hi All, > > I was unable to access the Nak ftp website and wanted to ask what was the > correct site location and password. Thank you in advance. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Jun 8 14:40:44 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 References: <20010608055111.6B1C51DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <004b01c0f018$3df93f00$07031fac@brianm> When I had both my CR-7A and ZX-9 at the same time, both freshly gone through, I tried some comparisons. I now wish I spent more time, I don't have much patience for that. Mostly because I felt they were so close it was splitting hairs. I only compared between recording made on those decks, I didn't try any old recordings. I "felt" that the best results were achieved by recording on the ZX-9 and playing back on the CR-7A. Again, I wish I had done more comparing. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > Ron > Did you get a chance to listen to those old tapes on a Dragon? When I compared CR7 with Dragon, I felt Dragon ( as well ZX9) is better than CR7 on Playback. Incase you had chance to compare Dragon - what is your openion > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Graham > >> congrats for your newer acquisition! > >> I felt somehow ZX9 playback is really amazing - I suspect (like Stephen > said)that it may be due to its playback circuitry+ its DD motor. > > > > > >> Otherwise ZX9 is 582 in different packaging. > > > >Ahhh... That explains it. One of the things that amazed > >me when I replaced my 582 with a CR-7 was how good the > >old recordings sounded. I believe I even mentioned this > >here at the time. > > > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 8 17:22:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:22:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 References: <20010608055111.6B1C51DFBC8@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B20EDC2.8C9F41@concentric.net> Kannan, No, I did not have occasion to listen to my older recordings on a Dragon. As I recently posted, the sound of my CR-7 is very satisfactory and I do nor believe it can be materially improved upon by *any* cassette recorder. Some of my older recordings were made on a Nak 700, in the 1974 to 1980 time frame. I used mostly Scotch CRO2 C-90 and C-120 cassettes. In 1980 or 1981 I 'upgraded' (not sure if this is the right word :-) ) to a new 582. I did not notice any great PB improvement. The recordings made in the next 18 years were done on the 582, mostly on Maxell XL-II and TDK SA cassettes. Careful listening tests I conducted at the time indicated that metal tape did not offer any great improvement -- at least, not enough to justify the higher price. When I got the CR-7a about 3 years ago, I was immediately impressed with the improved PB of my old cassettes. (BTW, I noticed additional improvement after Stephen calibrated the deck a few months ago). The main difference was in 'smoother' sound (meaning, lower distortion). For some of the recordings, it's difficult to say now what machine they were made on, but it's a cinch most were made on the 582. This is what prompted the comment I made. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > Did you get a chance to listen to those old tapes on a Dragon? When I compared CR7 with Dragon, I felt Dragon ( as well ZX9) is better than CR7 on Playback. Incase you had chance to compare Dragon - what is your openion > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My newly acquired ZX9 > > >kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > >> > >> Graham > >> congrats for your newer acquisition! > >> I felt somehow ZX9 playback is really amazing - I suspect (like Stephen > said)that it may be due to its playback circuitry+ its DD motor. > > > > > >> Otherwise ZX9 is 582 in different packaging. > > > >Ahhh... That explains it. One of the things that amazed > >me when I replaced my 582 with a CR-7 was how good the > >old recordings sounded. I believe I even mentioned this > >here at the time. > > > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 8 17:32:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:32:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible References: <20010608060534.F2C061DFB8F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B20F016.BD0F2FBE@concentric.net> Thanks for reminding me... I should have added that I always bulk erase a used cassette before re-recording on it (unless, of course, I am just adding a recording). I found that even with what seems like 100% complete erasure by the recorder, bulk erasing improves the S/N ratio on the new recording. In addition, it prevents the old recording from remaining at the end of sides. (BTW, I do the same to video cassettes). -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Sam > I agree with Ron's observations on all points. I wanted to add the following. > I found that incase you record on an used tape, the recording quality is not as good as done on fresh tape ( atleast not run more than 5-6 passes). Seen on Oscilloscope, I found high frequency rcorded signal amplitude is bit varying- looked more of poor head contact integrity with use. Where as with fresh tape, amplitude of 15 Khz( -20dB) recorded signal is more stable. > Interestingly even after 200- 300 playing, even 10 year old cassette sound the same on playback! > kannan > ----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Hi All! > >> > >> I've been "bouncing" around a question with a few friends and wanted to ask > >> the collective wisdom of this group to help come to an answer recording a few > >> cassette recording techniques. > >> > >> (1) In order to make the best possible cassette recording, do any you advise > >> first playing a blank cassette on both sides to allow the tape to "breath" or > >> achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested this to me, and in all of my > >> years of recording I've never played a cassette just to let it "run" in my > >> machine before recording. > > > >In theory, there is something to that. Not because the tape > >needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind better during > >the recording run if it was first wound lightly and not > >packed. I do not believe that in real world terms, playing > >the blank tape first will buy you much if you are doing the > >recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high quality mechanism) > >deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will pass the tape > >over the heads correctly, regardless of whether the tape > >came tightly or lightly wound. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Jun 8 18:00:50 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:00:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible References: <20010608060534.F2C061DFB8F@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B20F016.BD0F2FBE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c0f034$31af1fa0$36031fac@brianm> Ron, Do you do this with a machine designed to erase tapes or just record silence over a tape? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible > > Thanks for reminding me... I should have added that I > always bulk erase a used cassette before re-recording > on it (unless, of course, I am just adding a recording). > I found that even with what seems like 100% complete > erasure by the recorder, bulk erasing improves the S/N > ratio on the new recording. In addition, it prevents > the old recording from remaining at the end of sides. > (BTW, I do the same to video cassettes). > > -- Ron > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Sam > > I agree with Ron's observations on all points. I wanted to add the following. > > I found that incase you record on an used tape, the recording quality is not as good as done on fresh tape ( atleast not run more than 5-6 passes). Seen on Oscilloscope, I found high frequency rcorded signal amplitude is bit varying- looked more of poor head contact integrity with use. Where as with fresh tape, amplitude of 15 Khz( -20dB) recorded signal is more stable. > > Interestingly even after 200- 300 playing, even 10 year old cassette sound the same on playback! > > kannan > > ----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi All! > > >> > > >> I've been "bouncing" around a question with a few friends and wanted to ask > > >> the collective wisdom of this group to help come to an answer recording a few > > >> cassette recording techniques. > > >> > > >> (1) In order to make the best possible cassette recording, do any you advise > > >> first playing a blank cassette on both sides to allow the tape to "breath" or > > >> achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested this to me, and in all of my > > >> years of recording I've never played a cassette just to let it "run" in my > > >> machine before recording. > > > > > >In theory, there is something to that. Not because the tape > > >needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind better during > > >the recording run if it was first wound lightly and not > > >packed. I do not believe that in real world terms, playing > > >the blank tape first will buy you much if you are doing the > > >recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high quality mechanism) > > >deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will pass the tape > > >over the heads correctly, regardless of whether the tape > > >came tightly or lightly wound. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 8 18:38:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:38:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible References: <20010608060534.F2C061DFB8F@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B20F016.BD0F2FBE@concentric.net> <002901c0f034$31af1fa0$36031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B20FF94.876F68C5@concentric.net> By 'bulk erase', I meant, use an electro magnet plugged into a wall outlet. It's used similar to a head demagnetizer -- switch-on away from the cassette, bring close and around the cassette, then move it away *slowly*. It erases the complete cassette in just a few seconds and leaves the cassette in an unmagnetized state. The one I have came from Radio Shack. It's their heavy duty model, designed for video cassettes. I suppose you could get the same effect, recording nothing on the deck. But why wait for an hour and a half or two hours (wearing out the deck in the process), when you can do it in a few seconds? -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > Ron, > > Do you do this with a machine designed to erase tapes or just record silence > over a tape? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible > > > > > Thanks for reminding me... I should have added that I > > always bulk erase a used cassette before re-recording > > on it (unless, of course, I am just adding a recording). > > I found that even with what seems like 100% complete > > erasure by the recorder, bulk erasing improves the S/N > > ratio on the new recording. In addition, it prevents > > the old recording from remaining at the end of sides. > > (BTW, I do the same to video cassettes). > > > > -- Ron > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > Sam > > > I agree with Ron's observations on all points. I wanted to add the > following. > > > I found that incase you record on an used tape, the recording quality is > not as good as done on fresh tape ( atleast not run more than 5-6 passes). > Seen on Oscilloscope, I found high frequency rcorded signal amplitude is bit > varying- looked more of poor head contact integrity with use. Where as with > fresh tape, amplitude of 15 Khz( -20dB) recorded signal is more stable. > > > Interestingly even after 200- 300 playing, even 10 year old cassette > sound the same on playback! > > > kannan > > > ----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible > > > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hi All! > > > >> > > > >> I've been "bouncing" around a question with a few friends and wanted > to ask > > > >> the collective wisdom of this group to help come to an answer > recording a few > > > >> cassette recording techniques. > > > >> > > > >> (1) In order to make the best possible cassette recording, do any > you advise > > > >> first playing a blank cassette on both sides to allow the tape to > "breath" or > > > >> achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested this to me, and in all of > my > > > >> years of recording I've never played a cassette just to let it "run" > in my > > > >> machine before recording. > > > > > > > >In theory, there is something to that. Not because the tape > > > >needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind better during > > > >the recording run if it was first wound lightly and not > > > >packed. I do not believe that in real world terms, playing > > > >the blank tape first will buy you much if you are doing the > > > >recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high quality mechanism) > > > >deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will pass the tape > > > >over the heads correctly, regardless of whether the tape > > > >came tightly or lightly wound. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 21:51:21 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible In-Reply-To: <3B20FF94.876F68C5@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010608195121.28508.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> I've used a couple different bulk tape erasers and they don't work on Metal tapes. Normal and chrome, no problem, but, with metal I get incomplete erasure. Even 5 minutes on the eraser isn't enough. I've never had a problem with my Naks not erasing the tape completely. I've had far more problems with print through. On a slightly different subject, I've had problems with recording too close to the tape leader. I can hear the bumpyness of the tape caused by the thing that holds the leader in the hub. If you look at the tape you can see the unevenness. When I record, wait 15 counts on my BX-300 and then hit play on the source deck. This gets me past most of the bad area of the tape. I notice it most when played back on my TD-500 in the car (single capstan). Not so much when played back on the BX-300 or the MR-1 (double capstan) The asymetrical capstans pull the tape flat across the heads. Just my two cents. Scott J. SJ --- Ron wrote: > > By 'bulk erase', I meant, use an electro magnet > plugged > into a wall outlet. It's used similar to a head > demagnetizer -- switch-on away from the cassette, > bring > close and around the cassette, then move it away > *slowly*. > It erases the complete cassette in just a few > seconds and > leaves the cassette in an unmagnetized state. > > The one I have came from Radio Shack. It's their > heavy > duty model, designed for video cassettes. > > I suppose you could get the same effect, recording > nothing > on the deck. But why wait for an hour and a half or > two > hours (wearing out the deck in the process), when > you > can do it in a few seconds? > > -- Ron > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > Do you do this with a machine designed to erase > tapes or just record silence > > over a tape? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best > recording possible > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me... I should have added > that I > > > always bulk erase a used cassette before > re-recording > > > on it (unless, of course, I am just adding a > recording). > > > I found that even with what seems like 100% > complete > > > erasure by the recorder, bulk erasing improves > the S/N > > > ratio on the new recording. In addition, it > prevents > > > the old recording from remaining at the end of > sides. > > > (BTW, I do the same to video cassettes). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > I agree with Ron's observations on all points. > I wanted to add the > > following. > > > > I found that incase you record on an used > tape, the recording quality is > > not as good as done on fresh tape ( atleast not > run more than 5-6 passes). > > Seen on Oscilloscope, I found high frequency > rcorded signal amplitude is bit > > varying- looked more of poor head contact > integrity with use. Where as with > > fresh tape, amplitude of 15 Khz( -20dB) recorded > signal is more stable. > > > > Interestingly even after 200- 300 playing, > even 10 year old cassette > > sound the same on playback! > > > > kannan > > > > ----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the > best recording possible > > > > > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hi All! > > > > >> > > > > >> I've been "bouncing" around a question with > a few friends and wanted > > to ask > > > > >> the collective wisdom of this group to help > come to an answer > > recording a few > > > > >> cassette recording techniques. > > > > >> > > > > >> (1) In order to make the best possible > cassette recording, do any > > you advise > > > > >> first playing a blank cassette on both > sides to allow the tape to > > "breath" or > > > > >> achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested > this to me, and in all of > > my > > > > >> years of recording I've never played a > cassette just to let it "run" > > in my > > > > >> machine before recording. > > > > > > > > > >In theory, there is something to that. Not > because the tape > > > > >needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind > better during > > > > >the recording run if it was first wound > lightly and not > > > > >packed. I do not believe that in real world > terms, playing > > > > >the blank tape first will buy you much if you > are doing the > > > > >recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high > quality mechanism) > > > > >deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will > pass the tape > > > > >over the heads correctly, regardless of > whether the tape > > > > >came tightly or lightly wound. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 8 22:21:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:21:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible References: <20010608195121.28508.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B2133B4.8ACC91BE@concentric.net> Scott Johnson wrote: > > I've used a couple different bulk tape erasers and > they don't work on Metal tapes. Normal and chrome, no > problem, but, with metal I get incomplete erasure. > Even 5 minutes on the eraser isn't enough. I've never > had a problem with my Naks not erasing the tape > completely. I've had far more problems with print > through. That's why I use a bulk eraser designed for video tapes (1/2" wide). It will fully erase any metal audio cassette. I never had problems with a Nakamichi deck poor erasure, either. However, bulk erasing prior to re-recording seems to audibly improve S/N. Difficult erasure, coupled with excessive print through could indicate frequent tape saturation (recording level too high). Especially if peaks also sound distorted often. > On a slightly different subject, I've had problems > with recording too close to the tape leader. I can > hear the bumpyness of the tape caused by the thing > that holds the leader in the hub. If you look at the > tape you can see the unevenness. > > When I record, wait 15 counts on my BX-300 and then > hit play on the source deck. This gets me past most > of the bad area of the tape. > > I notice it most when played back on my TD-500 in the > car (single capstan). Not so much when played back on > the BX-300 or the MR-1 (double capstan) The > asymetrical capstans pull the tape flat across the > heads. I wonder if your TD-500 needs routine maintenance. I have never run against this problem with any deck, including Aiwa boom boxes (single capstan) or Toyota cassette players. Has anyone else? -- Ron > Just my two cents. > > Scott J. > SJ > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > By 'bulk erase', I meant, use an electro magnet > > plugged > > into a wall outlet. It's used similar to a head > > demagnetizer -- switch-on away from the cassette, > > bring > > close and around the cassette, then move it away > > *slowly*. > > It erases the complete cassette in just a few > > seconds and > > leaves the cassette in an unmagnetized state. > > > > The one I have came from Radio Shack. It's their > > heavy > > duty model, designed for video cassettes. > > > > I suppose you could get the same effect, recording > > nothing > > on the deck. But why wait for an hour and a half or > > two > > hours (wearing out the deck in the process), when > > you > > can do it in a few seconds? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > Do you do this with a machine designed to erase > > tapes or just record silence > > > over a tape? > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the > > truth, and the life. No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:32 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best > > recording possible > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me... I should have added > > that I > > > > always bulk erase a used cassette before > > re-recording > > > > on it (unless, of course, I am just adding a > > recording). > > > > I found that even with what seems like 100% > > complete > > > > erasure by the recorder, bulk erasing improves > > the S/N > > > > ratio on the new recording. In addition, it > > prevents > > > > the old recording from remaining at the end of > > sides. > > > > (BTW, I do the same to video cassettes). > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > I agree with Ron's observations on all points. > > I wanted to add the > > > following. > > > > > I found that incase you record on an used > > tape, the recording quality is > > > not as good as done on fresh tape ( atleast not > > run more than 5-6 passes). > > > Seen on Oscilloscope, I found high frequency > > rcorded signal amplitude is bit > > > varying- looked more of poor head contact > > integrity with use. Where as with > > > fresh tape, amplitude of 15 Khz( -20dB) recorded > > signal is more stable. > > > > > Interestingly even after 200- 300 playing, > > even 10 year old cassette > > > sound the same on playback! > > > > > kannan > > > > > ----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ron > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:16 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the > > best recording possible > > > > > > > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hi All! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I've been "bouncing" around a question with > > a few friends and wanted > > > to ask > > > > > >> the collective wisdom of this group to help > > come to an answer > > > recording a few > > > > > >> cassette recording techniques. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> (1) In order to make the best possible > > cassette recording, do any > > > you advise > > > > > >> first playing a blank cassette on both > > sides to allow the tape to > > > "breath" or > > > > > >> achieve optimum tension? Someone suggested > > this to me, and in all of > > > my > > > > > >> years of recording I've never played a > > cassette just to let it "run" > > > in my > > > > > >> machine before recording. > > > > > > > > > > > >In theory, there is something to that. Not > > because the tape > > > > > >needs 'to breath', but because it will unwind > > better during > > > > > >the recording run if it was first wound > > lightly and not > > > > > >packed. I do not believe that in real world > > terms, playing > > > > > >the blank tape first will buy you much if you > > are doing the > > > > > >recording on a 'good' (dual capstan, high > > quality mechanism) > > > > > >deck, such as a Nak. A good mechanism will > > pass the tape > > > > > >over the heads correctly, regardless of > > whether the tape > > > > > >came tightly or lightly wound. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Fri Jun 8 22:25:19 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:25:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: For what it's worth, I have always played a new tape thru before doing any recording. Kind of became a habit many years back. Probably learned it from my father who also used to take up the slack tape by winding by hand before playing the tape. Will probably not do that any more though after reading the latest discussions on this. Also, I always let about thirty seconds of tape pass before starting the recording. Another one of the things I have done for years w/ no real explanation. Maybe the idea a 'fresher' part of the tape. Don't know. CCal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 22:42:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:42:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Ron! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 9 05:27:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:27:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2001 4:12:17 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ >> Stephen, Any suggestions or other resources to uncover a new CR-7 faceplate? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jun 9 05:33:51 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 09:03:51 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL LIMITED 0rgl service manual Message-ID: <20010609033351.38C941DFB27@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 9 07:15:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:15:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Kannan Message-ID: <61.ee5b9ab.28530ae4@aol.com> Hi Kannan, Can you contact me offline from Naktalkers, I could use your help locating a CR-7 a/3 faceplate and top cover, thanks! -Sam Yes, I finally have a CR-7 man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Jun 9 11:32:35 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:32:35 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL LIMITED 0rgl service manual Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56A6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, paying 150+ bucks for a bundle of paper is a pure nonsense. Rather get this manual at www.schaltungsdienst.de, where it costs around DM 50,- or ca. USD 22,- plus delivery. Despite the fact, that I don't own any 1000, I'm nevertheless gonna get myself one... in reserve. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:34 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL LIMITED 0rgl service manual > > All > Great Deck' service manual on ebay - excepting if you are not aware that > service manual of limited or not should be same as everything is same > between two machines, you may end up paying a lot for the service manual > also! Bid start is 150$! > see > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244845711 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 11:40:53 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 05:40:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed References: Message-ID: <3B21EF25.62E9110D@yahoo.com> What's the username/password? Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/8/2001 4:12:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ >> > Stephen, > > Any suggestions or other resources to uncover a new CR-7 faceplate? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 11:44:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 05:44:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak FTP site info needed References: Message-ID: <3B21F00B.834BB5F2@yahoo.com> Never Mind Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/8/2001 4:12:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ >> > Stephen, > > Any suggestions or other resources to uncover a new CR-7 faceplate? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 9 16:03:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:03:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need help - 682zx schematics Message-ID: <002701c0f0f0$9aacb140$86289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, Does anybody keep a service manual for 682zx ? I 'only' need the schematics to troubleshoot test tone problem (quite different than 582 and CR4 circuits). Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jun 11 06:56:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:56:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) What is the best Mni Disc player Message-ID: <11d.1d34fe.2855a969@aol.com> Hi All, Once again, I wanted to query the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is the best mini disc player? I worked audio this weekend and we connected a JVC 3 Disc/Mini Disc player to the portable sound board and it seems to be very popular with many of the recording artist who visit. I don't believe it will replace blank cassette, but I've heard good things about the latest "round" of mini disc and players are very good. As always, thank you all in advance for your help. And, please feel free to respond offline. -Sam PS Anyone want to sell a CR-5? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jun 11 11:38:19 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:38:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) What is the best Mni Disc player References: <11d.1d34fe.2855a969@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Sam, There is no such a thing in a whole world. Some time ago I was toying with many different ones, including professional - so, the first thing I got from any MD device was pain in my ears! Never again. Misha >Once again, I wanted to query the collective wisdom of this group and ask >what is the best mini disc player? I worked audio this weekend and we >connected a JVC 3 Disc/Mini Disc player to the portable sound board and it >seems to be very popular with many of the recording artist who visit. I >don't believe it will replace blank cassette, but I've heard good things >about the latest "round" of mini disc and players are very good. As always, >thank you all in advance for your help. And, please feel free to respond >offline. > >-Sam > >PS > >Anyone want to sell a CR-5? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 10:47:41 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:47:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-End VCRs Message-ID: <3B2485AC.4A368C62@sunint.co.za> Hi Brian, These units can be very good. I was watching (one kind of watches them, yes) a ReVox Tape deck playing background music at a friends house this weekend. He has a 682ZX and and a 582. He uses those for critical rcording and his old A77 for musical wallpaper, not because it's inferior, but because it can play for hours.... Now, my question is, theoretically, one could use a hi-fi VCR for recording hi quality programmes. I have a Sansui hi-fi stereo(VHR 4500 I think), Nicam 4 head multi system....you know the sort. And it's newish, which is another way of saying it weighs about 9 ounces. Anyway, when recording from Nicam TV broadcasts, its great. But, having read about recording from other sources (CD and LP) onto Hi-Fi Stereo tape, it is hopeless. To be specific, its hissy, bland, compressed and bandwidth challenged. I don't mean crumby sounding in an audiophile sense. I mean it sounds so technically bad that I have to check my connections, read and re-re-read the manual, and still I am getting no-where. I read somewhere that certain VCRs will only perform this hi-fi stereo recording function if a video signal is being recording too. Perhaps mine is one of those 'achilles heel' units. Any advice or experience out there? Regards, MARC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 11:39:35 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:39:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - (OT) What is the best Mni Disc player References: <11d.1d34fe.2855a969@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B2491D7.C605FF3D@sunint.co.za> My goodness, you are so right Misha, Sam, avoid the expensive mistake I made buying into any from of data reduction. I have the Sony MDSJE930 (I think, hardly ever look at it) and the only reason I ever switch it on is to demonstrate to people it's shortcomings. To be perfectly honest I think newer versions of ATRAC are practically(outcomes - wise) no different to the original ATRAC from 1992. I heard a Denon 800(DMD I think) a couple of weeks ago and that sounded much like my Sony. Glassy, astringent and without atmosphere and ambience on solo acoustic instruments. With thicker mixes, its becomes soft and soundstage recessed. It has it's place - either in the car, or connected to a pair of undemanding headphones which themselves are connected to undemanding ears (eg. young passengers using tube/subway system ). Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Sam, > > There is no such a thing in a whole world. Some time ago I was > toying with many different ones, including professional - so, the first > thing I got from any MD device was pain in my ears! Never again. > > Misha > > >Once again, I wanted to query the collective wisdom of this group and ask > >what is the best mini disc player? I worked audio this weekend and we > >connected a JVC 3 Disc/Mini Disc player to the portable sound board and it > >seems to be very popular with many of the recording artist who visit. I > >don't believe it will replace blank cassette, but I've heard good things > >about the latest "round" of mini disc and players are very good. As always, > >thank you all in advance for your help. And, please feel free to respond > >offline. > > > >-Sam > > > >PS > > > >Anyone want to sell a CR-5? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 09:56:43 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:56:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer CT-S920S Message-ID: <3B2479BA.9C5D824A@sunint.co.za> Hi Nick: I found that Pioneer story very interesting indeed. Thanks a lot. It's a shmae about all the moulded plastic parts. It seems it was made for the 'planned obselecence' concept like many other decks of the day. Cheers Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 17:22:25 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:22:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource References: Message-ID: <3B24E231.971A08AC@sunint.co.za> Hi Stan Looks as if you got some great cassette media there. How strange that Toronto has more choice than Chicago!! I wouldn't have thought there would be much in it..... The Fuji Z-Metal - I would be interested to hear your results on that. I used one of their type IIs the other day, with fine results. The MX-S is really excellent for everything and a more durable shell than TDKs MA. Not that I've ever had problems with MAs. The MA-Xs are long discontinued, so that's a lucky find. The Sony Metal XR (the italics are theirs!) I heard this weekend for the first time. They don't look all that special but on a 582 and 682ZX they sound very natural and clear - and with a really low noise floor, recording without Dolby at optimum levels. So, I think you're in for a treat. You're right to do keep the MX-S for the Nak CR4. A truly Nakkering combo. Call the first one the Stan Targowski Showpiece Album Vol 1 and make people apply for copies in writing!!! When making a compilation of recordings from different sources, cassette is the route for me. Go well, Marc Stan Targowski wrote: > Our discussions prompted me to stock on the audio tapes too. Considering the > fact that I prefer metal tapes, and already have a bunch of TDK MA's, more > or less the only metal tapes you can get in Chicago, I came back from a > recent trip to Toronto with a bunch of Maxell MX-S 90's and 100's, TDK MA-X > 60's, FUJI Z-Metal 100's, and Sony Metal SR-90's and SR-100's. Now, I need > some stuff to record on them ... > > Looks like FUJI Z-Metal works very well with my JVC TD-V66 which is well > alligned with my Nissan/Bose system, so I have been doing some compilations > for the car (I still find it much easier to do compilations on tape than > burn CD-R's sourced of 20 disks). > > The Maxell's look the most robust, and I have heard so many good comments > about these tapes, so I will leave these for the critical recordings using > the CR4A. > > I hope to do some playing around with SONY SR and TDK MA-X. The latter is > some sort of an old batch, dating back to 1988 ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Thu, June 07, 2001 5:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource > > Thanks, Graham. After the last discussion about TDK, > I ordered a bunch of MA-90 and MA-110 cassettes (not > to mention, a couple of boxes of DSP T-120 video > cassettes). These should last me for quite a while. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Hi Ron > > > > BASF Sound II Chrome tapes are still available in the UK in C120 length. > Is > > that to your taste? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 07 June 2001 18:14 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Blank Media Resource > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > On the point of tape lengths, I noticed that Nakamichi and (I seem to > > > recall) Stephen and Carlos all advise against using C120 tapes. What > > about > > > C100's? Same risks or slightly less? > > > > > > Graham > > > > I have used C-120 on Nak 700 and 582 with no ill results, > > even after 20 years. 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 17:34:45 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:34:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 101 - making the best recording possible- Tape Durability References: <72.b65b017.2851cbe6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B24E515.A2772C69@sunint.co.za> Just my half-penny's worth on tape typre durability: Of the tapes that I have that are in the region of 18 years old, the one's that show no degradation at all are Maxell XL-II (tape marked 'UD XL-II') and Maxell XL-IIS. Most other tapes used, degradation is not significant or even particularly noticable if kept in a cool place, wound to the end-stops and sealed in the cassette case. But, it sure does seem that Maxell (perhaps only the better Maxells??) where the tape will outlive the original owner. Marc SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > Thanks. I've recently noticed that a few MA-XG's and BASF recordings I made > back in the 80's sound muffled. Unfortunately, the MA-XG became wet in > storage so I believe that had something to do with the sound degradation. I > have another MA-XG that has also lost some luster over the years, don't know > why. For what it's worth, as much as I liked that tape, all of my old Maxell > XL-II's sound just as good as when they were first recorded. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 17:45:15 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:45:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Media Message-ID: <3B24E78B.5F1C026E@sunint.co.za> Stan: I nearly forgot to mention, that I was truly surprised this weekend just past, when I fellow I was visiting had made a tape for me on his Nakamichi 682ZX of a 41 year old LP (Thorens 125/SME 309/Grado Gemini Gold) onto a Maxell UR. This is Maxell's lowest tape in the range. I've never thought to buy one, never heard one at all. This is a $0.50 cent tape. I was amazed - truly excellent recording. This is a great Nak at work, surely. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Anyone heard this puppy before? Opinions? I understand Alpine owned Luxman when this player was produced...I wonder what that means... Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 11 18:22:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:22:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-End VCRs References: <3B2485AC.4A368C62@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B24F054.90E1D37E@concentric.net> Marc Hugo wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > These units can be very good. I was watching (one kind of watches them, > yes) a ReVox Tape deck playing background music at a friends house this > weekend. He has a 682ZX and and a 582. He uses those for critical > rcording and his old A77 for musical wallpaper, not because it's > inferior, but because it can play for hours.... > > Now, my question is, theoretically, one could use a hi-fi VCR for > recording hi quality programmes. I have a Sansui hi-fi stereo(VHR 4500 > I think), Nicam 4 head multi system....you know the sort. And it's > newish, which is another way of saying it weighs about 9 ounces. > Anyway, when recording from Nicam TV broadcasts, its great. But, having > read about recording from other sources (CD and LP) onto Hi-Fi Stereo > tape, it is hopeless. To be specific, its hissy, bland, compressed and > bandwidth challenged. I don't mean crumby sounding in an audiophile > sense. I mean it sounds so technically bad that I have to check my > connections, read and re-re-read the manual, and still I am getting > no-where. I read somewhere that certain VCRs will only perform this > hi-fi stereo recording function if a video signal is being recording > too. That's exactly right. The machine needs a video signal to lock the PLL circuit. All you have to do is record from TV while, at the same time, feeding audio from LP or CD. Some preamps have an 'audio break' feature that allows for doing this very easily. Some VCRs (notably, a Panasonic PV-1730 that I used to own many years ago) have a read switch on the rear panel, for doing the audio thing. Sound quality of the Panasonic was very good. -- Ron > > Any advice or experience out there? > > Regards, > > MARC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 11 19:45:05 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:45:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-End VCRs References: <3B2485AC.4A368C62@sunint.co.za> <3B24F054.90E1D37E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B2503A0.C1A3486@sunint.co.za> Thank you very much Ron: still burning the late evening oil here, but I'm going to go home and try this now. Thanks again. Marc Ron wrote: > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > These units can be very good. I was watching (one kind of watches them, > > yes) a ReVox Tape deck playing background music at a friends house this > > weekend. He has a 682ZX and and a 582. He uses those for critical > > rcording and his old A77 for musical wallpaper, not because it's > > inferior, but because it can play for hours.... > > > > Now, my question is, theoretically, one could use a hi-fi VCR for > > recording hi quality programmes. I have a Sansui hi-fi stereo(VHR 4500 > > I think), Nicam 4 head multi system....you know the sort. And it's > > newish, which is another way of saying it weighs about 9 ounces. > > Anyway, when recording from Nicam TV broadcasts, its great. But, having > > read about recording from other sources (CD and LP) onto Hi-Fi Stereo > > tape, it is hopeless. To be specific, its hissy, bland, compressed and > > bandwidth challenged. I don't mean crumby sounding in an audiophile > > sense. I mean it sounds so technically bad that I have to check my > > connections, read and re-re-read the manual, and still I am getting > > no-where. I read somewhere that certain VCRs will only perform this > > hi-fi stereo recording function if a video signal is being recording > > too. > > That's exactly right. The machine needs a video signal > to lock the PLL circuit. All you have to do is record > from TV while, at the same time, feeding audio from > LP or CD. Some preamps have an 'audio break' feature > that allows for doing this very easily. > > Some VCRs (notably, a Panasonic PV-1730 that I used > to own many years ago) have a read switch on the rear > panel, for doing the audio thing. Sound quality of the > Panasonic was very good. > > -- Ron > > > > > Any advice or experience out there? > > > > Regards, > > > > MARC > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 11 20:29:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:29:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] good evening References: Message-ID: <060301c0f2a4$78b28e60$973442cf@sank1> The Luxman D-105 was a pleasant enough sounding player, but the transport was buit around an Alps laser pickup that cost $21 back when the cheapest lasers from Sony & etc were $40 & up. Can't tell you how many of those lasers I replaced in the 4 years I worked a Lux warranty station. I'd guess the failure rate was close to 30 percent on all the Lux players that used that laser. The point is, if you're not clear: Run away!! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] good evening > Last night I finally had some time to sit down and listen to music for a few > hours. I really hadn't sat down and listened that strong to my Dragon that > Mr. Sank went through. I put in my favorite tape: a first generation > soundboard Grateful Dead tape from Cornell, May 1977. WOW. It sounded > absolutely flawless. Compared to my current piece of junk cd player...there > is no comparison. The sound is far more natural and clean...the bass > response is excellent. Thanks again Stephen! > > Also, I just bought a Luxman D105 tube stage cd player to try out for a > while. As you know, I have been looking for a decent cd player. Anyone > heard this puppy before? Opinions? I understand Alpine owned Luxman when > this player was produced...I wonder what that means... > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I too create many compilations, and lately I've been burning them to CD. For recording from multiple sources, tape is definitely the way to go. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 11 21:07:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:07:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] excellent photos of nice innards! References: Message-ID: <061a01c0f2a9$bea73d80$973442cf@sank1> Very nice chassis work & nice main power supply, but I must say that I strongly dislike how they put their circuit boards together. Also, the took a really nice 40 step attenuator switch & then soldered crappy surface-mount chip resistors between the each of the terminal pairs. That would be OK if it was a ladder network, where only two are in the circuit at any time, but it is plainly a series attenuator, where the lower the volume, the more resistors are in the direct signal path. A configuration I just can't see any advantage in, regardless of resistor quality. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] excellent photos of nice innards! > MERCY! > > http://www.connoisseurdefinitions.com/model_3.htm > > Alex > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 11 21:15:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:15:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] excellent photos of nice innards! References: <061a01c0f2a9$bea73d80$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B2518E2.DCC64BC1@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Very nice chassis work & nice main power supply, but I must say that I > strongly dislike how they put their circuit boards together. Also, the took > a really nice 40 step attenuator switch & then soldered crappy surface-mount > chip resistors between the each of the terminal pairs. That would be OK if > it was a ladder network, where only two are in the circuit at any time, but > it is plainly a series attenuator, where the lower the volume, the more > resistors are in the direct signal path. A configuration I just can't see > any advantage in, regardless of resistor quality. My thoughts exactly. Plus, I couldn't help but wonder what nightmare this is a to maintain. Especially, the phono stage. Five layers of components??? Gimme a break. One other thought: machining the chassis from a huge aluminum block is a tremendously wasteful overkill. They could have achieved the same (or better) functionality and level of performance at a small fraction of the cost. Placing polypropylene caps right next to heat sinks that run 'scaldingly hot' isn't such a clever idea, either. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:44 AM > Subject: [naktalk] excellent photos of nice innards! > > > MERCY! > > > > http://www.connoisseurdefinitions.com/model_3.htm > > > > Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jun 11 21:23:13 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:23:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Lux D105 In-Reply-To: <060301c0f2a4$78b28e60$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: But...it sounds good? :-) At least that??? The small amount of info I have been able to locate on it shows favorable reviews. However, the reviews were probably not written by someone who has been inside and worked on/knows electronics like you. Alex > The Luxman D-105 was a pleasant enough sounding player, but the transport > was buit around an Alps laser pickup that cost $21 back when the cheapest > lasers from Sony & etc were $40 & up. Can't tell you how many of those > lasers I replaced in the 4 years I worked a Lux warranty station. > I'd guess > the failure rate was close to 30 percent on all the Lux players that used > that laser. > The point is, if you're not clear: Run away!! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 12 03:46:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:46:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's References: <20010606031228.21483.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c0ee47$1cc5fd00$973442cf@sank1> <00c901c0ee9b$37c7b3b0$dbcff7a5@D9569601> <000a01c0eeaa$1628d680$74299bca@smarzuki> <3B1F865D.62E3F390@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003301c0f2e1$7b229040$42289bca@smarzuki> Hey ... how come this is still in "drafts" folder ?? Hi Ron, I stand corrected, the exact quote from july 84 stereo review is like this: "The key to the high fidelity VCR's is frequency modulation. Frequency modulated signals are realtively immune to interfering noises, which is why FM rado can sound as good as it does." ... "The basic modulation schemes used in both the Beta Hi-Fi and VHS Hi-Fi formats lead to audio playback with a relatively poor signal-to-noise ratio. Therefore, both systems use proprietary encode-decode noise-reduction circuits that are similar in concept, if not execution, to the Dolby and dbx systems found in home audio-cassette decks." "Listening tests for noise reduction misbehavior revealed a little noise pumping or breathing when we dubbed a digitally mastered piano recording from a Compact Disc" ... "Since the audibility of the effect seems to vary with the setting of the tracking control and with the tape speed employed, this might be another result influenced by our test units' being early samples." Anyway, apart from slight worry on noise rec effect (if any) I recorded sweep tone at 0db using plain videotape on old sony beta and the result is still ruler flat. Quite amazing for analog recording. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-end VCR's > > I used to record comparatively long audio works on 6 > hour VHS tapes. Sound quality was excellent. The > disadvantage was the inconvenience of exact indexing > and assemble editing, though the search functions were > very useful. Eventually, though, I gravitated towards > cassette tapes. > > The bandwidth of VHS HiFi is quite wide. AFAIK, there > is no compression (DBX is a noise reduction system, not > compression). Today, I no longer have any VHS audio > recordings. I never got 'breathing' or noise modulation > on my recordings. > > -- Ron > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Nakfellows, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Ed Marc Hugo wrote: > Stan: > > I nearly forgot to mention, that I was truly surprised this weekend just > past, when I fellow I was visiting had made a tape for me on his > Nakamichi 682ZX of a 41 year old LP (Thorens 125/SME 309/Grado Gemini > Gold) onto a Maxell UR. This is Maxell's lowest tape in the range. > I've never thought to buy one, never heard one at all. This is a $0.50 > cent tape. I was amazed - truly excellent recording. This is a great > Nak at work, surely. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 12 05:25:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:25:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] good evening Message-ID: <013501c0f2ef$4a4957c0$21c4b3d1@ccobb.bco.thegoodguys.com> Alex I've a copy of the soundboard on DAT. I've compared it to a cassette from same source; for Dead use the DAT. For Grisman and Rice....analogue. We typically use tube mics into a prodat for our live masters these days and are quite pleased. The Phil Lesh shows from 1999 with the Phish boys came out wonderfully; Schoeps mics were used for that one. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] good evening >Last night I finally had some time to sit down and listen to music for a few >hours. I really hadn't sat down and listened that strong to my Dragon that >Mr. Sank went through. I put in my favorite tape: a first generation >soundboard Grateful Dead tape from Cornell, May 1977. WOW. It sounded >absolutely flawless. Compared to my current piece of junk cd player...there >is no comparison. The sound is far more natural and clean...the bass >response is excellent. Thanks again Stephen! > >Also, I just bought a Luxman D105 tube stage cd player to try out for a >while. As you know, I have been looking for a decent cd player. Anyone >heard this puppy before? Opinions? I understand Alpine owned Luxman when >this player was produced...I wonder what that means... > >Alex > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Jun 12 05:37:13 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:37:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Media In-Reply-To: <3B257A85.E78FA5AF@snet.net> Message-ID: I have been using TDK D tapes for the last 20 years too. These were always great tapes for the money. Even now, when I need to record for the boom-box, I will do it on a TDK D. The challenge here is that one has to have a deck calibrated for that particular tape or a deck with the calibration system (at a minimum, the bias adjustment.) I have no problems getting very good recordings on a CR4, which has bias and level calibration, with TDK D, Maxell UR, or even some bogus SONY ZX I just got at Waldo's $1 Mart (looks like Type I Asian market tape). This is not the case with the CR2 which I had calibrated for TDK AD on Type I, or JVC TD-V66 which does not allow for bias adjustments. One observation I would make though is that of sound preservation. I have a collection of tapes recorded in early 80's on my JVC KD-A11 and Pioneer CT-F 850, and have to admit that TDK MA's, TDK SA-X, Maxell UD-XLIIS. sound much better than Maxell UR (or actually Maxell UD) or any Agfa , BASF, or Philips tape I used at the time (20 years ago they all sounded good). TDK D's also sound good. I would dare to claim that the my collections recorded on TDK MA and Fuji FR-Metal aged the best. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Mon, June 11, 2001 9:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Media Ironically, while I never use them, even the TDK "D" will go out past 20k on a good Nak... and I would fully agree with Stephen Sank's assessment of this dyed in the wool formula as being one of the most robust tapes of all. The one's I have that I bought when I was something like 16 years old and recorded on my dad's Nak 600 still sound really tremendous almost 25 years later! Ed Marc Hugo wrote: > Stan: > > I nearly forgot to mention, that I was truly surprised this weekend just > past, when I fellow I was visiting had made a tape for me on his > Nakamichi 682ZX of a 41 year old LP (Thorens 125/SME 309/Grado Gemini > Gold) onto a Maxell UR. This is Maxell's lowest tape in the range. > I've never thought to buy one, never heard one at all. This is a $0.50 > cent tape. I was amazed - truly excellent recording. This is a great > Nak at work, surely. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jun 12 07:08:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:38:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape Media Message-ID: <20010612050854.4A62A1E0111@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 12 15:13:24 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:13:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] good evening In-Reply-To: <013501c0f2ef$4a4957c0$21c4b3d1@ccobb.bco.thegoodguys.com> Message-ID: Very interesting. How much would it cost me to bribe you into Nak'ing me a copy? :-) I certainly have no first-hand knowlegdge that my tape is first gen...but that is what was told to me. It is actually recorded with my Dragon from a CD-R that was supposed to be the first gen digital copy of the DAT. Do you record these shows as an occupation, or hobby? I am intrigued. Alex > I've a copy of the soundboard on DAT. I've compared it to a cassette from > same source; for Dead use the DAT. For Grisman and Rice....analogue. We > typically use tube mics into a prodat for our live masters these days and > are quite pleased. The Phil Lesh shows from 1999 with the Phish boys came > out wonderfully; Schoeps mics were used for that one. > > Carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 12 17:33:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:33:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... References: <3f.14b5203b.2827482c@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e001c0f355$1849bfb0$5e756acf@johnnyrotten> Sam, I just enjoy it. Minidisk is a great portable sound source, not bad indoors also. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Blank Cassette Media to consider... > In a message dated 5/6/2001 11:04:30 AM Central Daylight Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << I'm afraid I prefer my Sony MDS JB930 and Sharp portable MD units. MD's use > up even less travel space and sound excellent on portable pocket sized > players. I recently vacationed in Jamaica and really enjoyed Bob Marley > dubbed from a CD. Yeah Mon, no problem! >> > Hi John, > > You really liked the mini disk? It still sounds digital and sometimes overly > sharp, yes? I understand the compression ratio is only 5x versus MP3's which > are 12x's. You prefer minidisk over cassette tape? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 00:52:00 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:52:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ultra Analog.com Message-ID: http://www.ultranalog.com/ An interesting site. Would be more interesting to me if I knew more about electrical engineering. The DIY projects are neat. This guy has done all kinds of mods to different types of gear...even a, uh, um, Luxman D105- (Oh, hi Stephen :-)) Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 13 10:25:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:25:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Interesting Audiophile website Message-ID: <21.d026d18.28587d7f@aol.com> Enjoy! http://www.sfstereo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 12:23:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:23:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Interesting Audiophile website References: <21.d026d18.28587d7f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B273F11.2AAA6925@earthlink.net> Was there anything in particular of interest here? SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Enjoy! > > http://www.sfstereo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Jun 13 18:28:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:28:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 TriTracer Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56AD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, the collective wisdom of the group is requested. I own an excellent, almost "new" & well tuned-up (by myself) 700TT, that still has following imperfections: 1. The erasure on Type II tapes is incomplete, whereas being 100% OK on those of Type I. I've heard this as being a common plague for all 700TT's. Is there anything radical there, that can be done about that in order to eliminate that distant muttering left? 2. A pretty while ago I asked our group a question regarding some buzz or hum, which can be distinctly heard coming off tape in pauses when recording on my 700TT. Recently, I proceeded with some SpectraLAB measurements - of "pause noise" in particular - and to my greatest surprise discovered the spectra of that noise (recording with no input signal) containing all thinkable odd order harmonics of 50Hz, most of which (at least those of low-order) were nearly as intense as the fundamental one, thus making the noise floor looking like a fence rather than a "floor". What the hell is that? What can be done about that? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 13 20:26:36 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:26:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 TriTracer References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56AD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001801c0f436$61f1c5e0$7b756acf@johnnyrotten> Sounds like you need to talk with Mr. Sank. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700 TriTracer > Guys, > > the collective wisdom of the group is requested. I own an excellent, almost > "new" & well tuned-up (by myself) 700TT, that still has following > imperfections: > > 1. The erasure on Type II tapes is incomplete, whereas being 100% OK on > those of Type I. I've heard this as being a common plague for all 700TT's. > Is there anything radical there, that can be done about that in order to > eliminate that distant muttering left? > > 2. A pretty while ago I asked our group a question regarding some buzz or > hum, which can be distinctly heard coming off tape in pauses when recording > on my 700TT. Recently, I proceeded with some SpectraLAB measurements - of > "pause noise" in particular - and to my greatest surprise discovered the > spectra of that noise (recording with no input signal) containing all > thinkable odd order harmonics of 50Hz, most of which (at least those of > low-order) were nearly as intense as the fundamental one, thus making the > noise floor looking like a fence rather than a "floor". What the hell is > that? What can be done about that? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 13 21:35:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:35:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Interesting Audiophile website Message-ID: <21.d026cd4.28591a75@aol.com> You have to click on the products page (didn't realize it didn't change in the URL) and you'll find direct links to many of the top audiophile equipment manufacturers. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 13 21:59:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:59:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 TriTracer References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56AD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <078d01c0f443$611f47c0$973442cf@sank1> You seem to have an early 700 which had an inadequate erase head for "modern" type II formulas. About the only sensible thing to do is buy a nice bulk tape eraser. Otherwise, you'd need to scavenge an erase head from a later, but trashed, 700 or 700II. However, it could be a curable problem not requiring a new head. I haven't seen such a case, but I know that Misha has first hand experience with same on his 700, which I think he cured. The noise problem, assuming not simply dying power supply electrolytics, is most likely a ground loop somewhere, due to a bad ground line somewhere. Easiest way to find the area is to have the unit powered up, then use a meter in DC volts mode to measure between chassis ground & as many ground foils as you can find in the amp sections & all over. See if you find any ground point that measures some significant voltage & then see if you can trace where it is inadequately grounded. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700 TriTracer > Guys, > > the collective wisdom of the group is requested. I own an excellent, almost > "new" & well tuned-up (by myself) 700TT, that still has following > imperfections: > > 1. The erasure on Type II tapes is incomplete, whereas being 100% OK on > those of Type I. I've heard this as being a common plague for all 700TT's. > Is there anything radical there, that can be done about that in order to > eliminate that distant muttering left? > > 2. A pretty while ago I asked our group a question regarding some buzz or > hum, which can be distinctly heard coming off tape in pauses when recording > on my 700TT. Recently, I proceeded with some SpectraLAB measurements - of > "pause noise" in particular - and to my greatest surprise discovered the > spectra of that noise (recording with no input signal) containing all > thinkable odd order harmonics of 50Hz, most of which (at least those of > low-order) were nearly as intense as the fundamental one, thus making the > noise floor looking like a fence rather than a "floor". What the hell is > that? What can be done about that? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 22:19:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:19:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Take care of the local dealers who take care of you... References: <21.d026cd4.28591a75@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B27CAC4.715B7B31@earthlink.net> I used to do business with San Francisco Stereo but have had such bad shopping experiences with them that I refuse to step foot in their store. Also, SF Stereo seems to be content to "push" what ever is hot this month in Stereophile (i.e. Krell, Levinson, Wilson, etc). The manufactures who offer real value are the smaller, lesser known companies like Rogue Audio, Electrocompaniet, InnerSound, Silverline Audio, Michell, Alchemist, Audio Analogue, etc. It may take more time to research and audition this equipment but finding gear that costs one fifth the price and offers three times the enjoyment is definitely worth it! Support your local dealers who have the courage to go against the grain and carry these lesser known brands and the wisdom to offer real customer service. These dealers are usually true audiophiles who are in the business not for the money (they are usually just getting by financially) but to spread their love of music and the equipment that faithfully reproduces it. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > You have to click on the products page (didn't realize it didn't change in > the URL) and you'll find direct links to many of the top audiophile equipment > manufacturers. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Jun 15 13:43:40 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:43:40 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56B1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Where the hell are all again? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 15 14:09:47 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:09:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Test References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56B1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B29FB0A.40983B54@sunint.co.za> Heck, you're right Nick, I was beginning to panic. So, I've just been to Nak.com's site to read through the message boards out of sheer desperation..... I wrote to a couple of them too. Anyway it's the weekend, nearly. Do you have a dacha to visit? I think that's the name. Wish I did....Fully equipped of course, with some nice equipment....... Marc Igritski Nick wrote: > Where the hell are all again? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 15 14:15:52 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:15:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Audio site Message-ID: <3B29FC78.7279A085@sunint.co.za> Hi Nick, Nicholas and Misha, I picked this site address of the Naks message board which may be of interest to you. Unfortunately, for me it is in Russian, but you may find it informative. http://zaudio.hotbox.ru Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jun 15 14:24:35 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:24:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56B1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <005001c0f596$240f83f0$5c756acf@johnnyrotten> What does that mean? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Test > Where the hell are all again? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jun 15 15:41:21 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:41:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Audio site References: <3B29FC78.7279A085@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: Hi Marc, Great site. Run by Vladimir Zimakov, a very knowlegeable person. He is a tube-amp producer and also a big Nak-fan. A great and nice to deal with person. Misha >Hi Nick, Nicholas and Misha, > >I picked this site address of the Naks message board which may be of >interest to you. Unfortunately, for me it is in Russian, but you may >find it informative. > >http://zaudio.hotbox.ru > >Cheers, > >Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 15 16:05:17 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:05:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem Message-ID: Well...since it is dead around here, perhaps you guys can help me out. Dammit.....I hate it when Stephen is right. That Luxman D105u came in (I bought it on ebay) and it skips. I have to say, though, that the sound is incredible and the machine is very sexy looking. Now, this skipping is odd. It will play just fine, for about 10 minutes...and then, it will do a slight skip. It only last a microsecond...but it will skip. What is really strange is that during some of these skips, it will go to a completely different track selection...somewhere in the middle or so. I took the transport out and watched it scroll while playing. The servo seems to jump around a bunch....it jumps around even when there is no skipping. Other than this skipping every now and then...the machine plays excellent. Hmmm...personally, I want to keep this machine. I like it. I don't want to return it, but would rather work something out with the seller to be compensated for a repair. So, Mr. Sank...what do you think this is? Can you repair this thing? I checked for hardened grease on the slides but found only creamy white lithium grease in good condition. I thought it was mechanical, since it would jump to another song somethimes...but I see nothing amiss on the transport. In case any of you haven't seen one of these Luxman tube output players, here is a picture of it. It is about midway down the page- D105 http://www.euronet.nl/~icu15082/Luxmanframe.html Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 15 17:15:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:15:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <3B2A269A.AFBFB456@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > Well...since it is dead around here, perhaps you guys can help me out. > > Dammit.....I hate it when Stephen is right. That Luxman D105u came in (I > bought it on ebay) and it skips. I have to say, though, that the sound is > incredible and the machine is very sexy looking. > > Now, this skipping is odd. It will play just fine, for about 10 > minutes...and then, it will do a slight skip. It only last a > microsecond...but it will skip. What is really strange is that during some > of these skips, it will go to a completely different track > selection...somewhere in the middle or so. I took the transport out and > watched it scroll while playing. The servo seems to jump around a > bunch....it jumps around even when there is no skipping. Other than this > skipping every now and then...the machine plays excellent. > > Hmmm...personally, I want to keep this machine. I like it. I don't want to > return it, but would rather work something out with the seller to be > compensated for a repair. So, Mr. Sank...what do you think this is? Can > you repair this thing? I checked for hardened grease on the slides but > found only creamy white lithium grease in good condition. I thought it was > mechanical, since it would jump to another song somethimes...but I see > nothing amiss on the transport. > > In case any of you haven't seen one of these Luxman tube output players, > here is a picture of it. It is about midway down the page- D105 > > http://www.euronet.nl/~icu15082/Luxmanframe.html > > Alex Cagann IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the intermittent ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned up and put in the customer's equipment rack... The first thing I thought about was a mechanical obstruction, especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind while writing the item description. I recently was interested in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, only money orders. I wonder why... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 15 20:15:54 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:15:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem In-Reply-To: <3B2A269A.AFBFB456@concentric.net> Message-ID: Ron, I absolutely concur with you ie: he knew about the defect. He is now saying that he played an entire cd with no skips....so it must have been caused during shipping. What are the odds of this problem manifesting itself because of shipping? FWIW, the packing job was horrible (even worse than my packing job when I sent my Dragon to you, Stephen :-)) This guy have well over 400 feedbacks and only 1 is negative. He certainly doesn't have to worry about my one feedback response. Looks like I am stuck with it, no matter what. This is my first experience with ebay that wasn't great. Alex > IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the > intermittent > ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is > open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned > up and put in the customer's equipment rack... > > The first thing I thought about was a mechanical > obstruction, > especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. > But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: > first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control > board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ > suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. > > On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my > opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller > knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind > while writing the item description. I recently was > interested > in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, > only money orders. I wonder why... > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Fri Jun 15 20:34:33 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:34:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010615143106.00a9d830@mail.verizon.net> A different cd player problem... I have a JVC XL-Z1050. It sounds beautiful and I'm in no hurry to replace it (BTW, I updated the audio IC to an OP-275). Problem is, it refuses to play CD-R's or any other non-commercially produced CD. Is this something that can be corrected or simply the nature of the beast? _________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 15 20:55:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:55:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <095301c0f5cc$cbf776a0$973442cf@sank1> The first thing to check for is "dead spots" in the tracking drive motor. With an oscilloscope or meter, look for a larger-than-usual DC "build up" just before a skip. If this is observed, then "shoot up" the motor with electronic-grade silicone spray lubricant into any available opening in/around the bottom end. You may have to unsolder a small circuit board from the two transport motors to do this, been too long to remember. While you're in there, do the same to the spindle motor, the one that spins the disc. After this, play a disc & make it go to the last track & back to the first track & back again, over & over in rapid succession a dozen or so times. Then, play through a disc or two before expecting the problem to be gone, if this has been the cure. If the above fails to cure it, the next most likely thing is a flakey laser pick-up. If it has the original Alps laser, I don't know where to tell you to get one, except to contact Alpine & ask. If it has been replaced with a Sony KSS-152, I am quite sure I can find one for you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > Ron, I absolutely concur with you ie: he knew about the defect. He is now > saying that he played an entire cd with no skips....so it must have been > caused during shipping. What are the odds of this problem manifesting > itself because of shipping? FWIW, the packing job was horrible (even worse > than my packing job when I sent my Dragon to you, Stephen :-)) > > This guy have well over 400 feedbacks and only 1 is negative. He certainly > doesn't have to worry about my one feedback response. Looks like I am stuck > with it, no matter what. This is my first experience with ebay that wasn't > great. > > Alex > > > IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the > > intermittent > > ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is > > open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned > > up and put in the customer's equipment rack... > > > > The first thing I thought about was a mechanical > > obstruction, > > especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. > > But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: > > first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control > > board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ > > suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. > > > > On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my > > opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller > > knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind > > while writing the item description. I recently was > > interested > > in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, > > only money orders. I wonder why... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 15 21:07:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:07:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <3B2A5CE0.DB7A4816@concentric.net> Oh, well, chalk it to experience. BTW, I forgot the really first thing to look at: cleanliness of the laser lens. It can be clouded by airborne pollution, that a CD lens cleaner will just smear, but won't cure. A clean soft cloth, dampened in Windex, can do wonders. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > Ron, I absolutely concur with you ie: he knew about the defect. He is now > saying that he played an entire cd with no skips....so it must have been > caused during shipping. What are the odds of this problem manifesting > itself because of shipping? FWIW, the packing job was horrible (even worse > than my packing job when I sent my Dragon to you, Stephen :-)) > > This guy have well over 400 feedbacks and only 1 is negative. He certainly > doesn't have to worry about my one feedback response. Looks like I am stuck > with it, no matter what. This is my first experience with ebay that wasn't > great. > > Alex > > > IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the > > intermittent > > ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is > > open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned > > up and put in the customer's equipment rack... > > > > The first thing I thought about was a mechanical > > obstruction, > > especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. > > But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: > > first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control > > board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ > > suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. > > > > On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my > > opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller > > knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind > > while writing the item description. I recently was > > interested > > in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, > > only money orders. I wonder why... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 15 21:16:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:16:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010615143106.00a9d830@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <098b01c0f5cf$aca4f0e0$973442cf@sank1> Generally, getting a CD player to play CD-R's is simply a matter of setting the laser output to the top end of "spec". You need a laser optical power meter($250-350 new) to do it accurately. However, if you can locate the "RF", "HF", "EYE" or whatever the direct laser output signal terminal is marked test point & put an oscilloscope on it, you can safely try just playing a CD, observing the signal amplitude, then turn the trimpot on the laser pickup in whichever direction makes the amplitude go up, until you make it about 20 percent larger. If it still won't play CD-R's, then it may be an incompatible laser wavelength. Haven't seen that yet, but I don't work on many JVC's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > A different cd player problem... > > I have a JVC XL-Z1050. It sounds beautiful and I'm in no hurry to > replace it (BTW, I updated the audio IC to an OP-275). > > Problem is, it refuses to play CD-R's or any other non-commercially > produced CD. > > Is this something that can be corrected or simply the nature of > the beast? > > _________________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 15 21:36:31 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:36:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem In-Reply-To: <3B2A5CE0.DB7A4816@concentric.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I did clean the laser with a q-tip and alchohol...but it was only 70% pure...I will bring my other stuff home tonight. The cd player reeks of cigarette smoke....and I mean REEEKS. The clear glass window that shows the vacuum tubes is very cloudy behind. I need to dismantle this thing....clean up everything, clean the motors like Stephen said...and see what happens. The guy isn't going to budge...he said the only thing he will do is help me claim the insurance money I got on shipping...which, I've heard, is a real good time trying to claim on. Alex > Oh, well, chalk it to experience. > > BTW, I forgot the really first thing to look at: > cleanliness of the laser lens. It can be clouded > by airborne pollution, that a CD lens cleaner will > just smear, but won't cure. A clean soft cloth, > dampened in Windex, can do wonders. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 15 21:37:53 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:37:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem In-Reply-To: <095301c0f5cc$cbf776a0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, thank you very much for the information. Just curious....per your remark on replacing the laser...if it hasn't been replaced, can't it be replaced with the Sony laser you mentioned? Alex > The first thing to check for is "dead spots" in the tracking drive motor. > With an oscilloscope or meter, look for a larger-than-usual DC "build up" > just before a skip. If this is observed, then "shoot up" the motor with > electronic-grade silicone spray lubricant into any available opening > in/around the bottom end. You may have to unsolder a small circuit board > from the two transport motors to do this, been too long to > remember. While > you're in there, do the same to the spindle motor, the one that spins the > disc. After this, play a disc & make it go to the last track & > back to the > first track & back again, over & over in rapid succession a dozen or so > times. Then, play through a disc or two before expecting the > problem to be > gone, if this has been the cure. > If the above fails to cure it, the next most likely thing is a > flakey laser > pick-up. If it has the original Alps laser, I don't know where > to tell you > to get one, except to contact Alpine & ask. If it has been > replaced with a > Sony KSS-152, I am quite sure I can find one for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Jun 16 01:48:03 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:48:03 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars (about $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold and a good friend sold it to me... :-) What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to be ok or at least better when warm. Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Sat Jun 16 02:23:03 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:23:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: <095301c0f5cc$cbf776a0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c0f5fa$82a73840$cebd16d0@0021976299> Hi Steve! Can I get the Tandberg pretty soon? Also was wondering if you had a chance to look at the Nak 500 yet? thanks, joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > The first thing to check for is "dead spots" in the tracking drive motor. > With an oscilloscope or meter, look for a larger-than-usual DC "build up" > just before a skip. If this is observed, then "shoot up" the motor with > electronic-grade silicone spray lubricant into any available opening > in/around the bottom end. You may have to unsolder a small circuit board > from the two transport motors to do this, been too long to remember. While > you're in there, do the same to the spindle motor, the one that spins the > disc. After this, play a disc & make it go to the last track & back to the > first track & back again, over & over in rapid succession a dozen or so > times. Then, play through a disc or two before expecting the problem to be > gone, if this has been the cure. > If the above fails to cure it, the next most likely thing is a flakey laser > pick-up. If it has the original Alps laser, I don't know where to tell you > to get one, except to contact Alpine & ask. If it has been replaced with a > Sony KSS-152, I am quite sure I can find one for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:15 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > Ron, I absolutely concur with you ie: he knew about the defect. He is now > > saying that he played an entire cd with no skips....so it must have been > > caused during shipping. What are the odds of this problem manifesting > > itself because of shipping? FWIW, the packing job was horrible (even > worse > > than my packing job when I sent my Dragon to you, Stephen :-)) > > > > This guy have well over 400 feedbacks and only 1 is negative. He > certainly > > doesn't have to worry about my one feedback response. Looks like I am > stuck > > with it, no matter what. This is my first experience with ebay that > wasn't > > great. > > > > Alex > > > > > IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the > > > intermittent > > > ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is > > > open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned > > > up and put in the customer's equipment rack... > > > > > > The first thing I thought about was a mechanical > > > obstruction, > > > especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. > > > But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: > > > first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control > > > board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ > > > suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. > > > > > > On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my > > > opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller > > > knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind > > > while writing the item description. I recently was > > > interested > > > in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, > > > only money orders. I wonder why... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 02:32:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:32:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <09ab01c0f5fb$c80f0d80$973442cf@sank1> You know, I am not actually sure if the KSS-152 was a drop-in replacement for the Alps laser. It might be, but it might not. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > Stephen, thank you very much for the information. Just curious....per your > remark on replacing the laser...if it hasn't been replaced, can't it be > replaced with the Sony laser you mentioned? > > Alex > > > The first thing to check for is "dead spots" in the tracking drive motor. > > With an oscilloscope or meter, look for a larger-than-usual DC "build up" > > just before a skip. If this is observed, then "shoot up" the motor with > > electronic-grade silicone spray lubricant into any available opening > > in/around the bottom end. You may have to unsolder a small circuit board > > from the two transport motors to do this, been too long to > > remember. While > > you're in there, do the same to the spindle motor, the one that spins the > > disc. After this, play a disc & make it go to the last track & > > back to the > > first track & back again, over & over in rapid succession a dozen or so > > times. Then, play through a disc or two before expecting the > > problem to be > > gone, if this has been the cure. > > If the above fails to cure it, the next most likely thing is a > > flakey laser > > pick-up. If it has the original Alps laser, I don't know where > > to tell you > > to get one, except to contact Alpine & ask. If it has been > > replaced with a > > Sony KSS-152, I am quite sure I can find one for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 02:46:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:46:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <09c001c0f5fd$b75b0320$973442cf@sank1> It's the motor that spins the disc. Common problem on OMS-1's, which are almost entirely mundane NEC players. Most of the time, replacement is required, but it can't hurt to try silicone spray, as I described to Alex. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > Hi all, > > I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars (about > $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold and a > good friend sold it to me... :-) > > What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to be ok > or at least better when warm. > > Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? > > Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Jun 16 03:00:27 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:00:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem In-Reply-To: <09ab01c0f5fb$c80f0d80$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: OK. Well, I'm going to dismantle it and clean and lubricate everything. Since it reeks like smoke so bad, I think this is necessary. If I can't get it working, perhaps you would be interested in tackling it? I'll contact you if my attempt at repairing this doesn't pan out. Alex > You know, I am not actually sure if the KSS-152 was a drop-in replacement > for the Alps laser. It might be, but it might not. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Jun 16 03:09:26 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:09:26 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem In-Reply-To: <09c001c0f5fd$b75b0320$973442cf@sank1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616130204.01ec3d00@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Thank you Stephen! A prompt and concise reply...which I do appreciate. May I ask if replacement motors are easily available? I am in New Zealand and the unit is a 240V model...could it be fitted by my local electronic repair centre...or would it have to go an authorised Nak agent (when I got my CR7 serviced here by the NZ authorised agent it was away for about 4 months. Terribly slow :-( Would rather send it all to you ....but unsure about you servicing 240v units...and whether it would survive a trip half way around the world. Brett At 18:46 15/06/2001 -0600, Stephen Sank wrote: >It's the motor that spins the disc. Common problem on OMS-1's, which are >almost entirely mundane NEC players. Most of the time, replacement is >required, but it can't hurt to try silicone spray, as I described to Alex. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brett Dickel" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:48 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > Hi all, > > > > I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars >(about > > $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold and a > > good friend sold it to me... :-) > > > > What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to be ok > > or at least better when warm. > > > > Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? > > > > Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 16 03:10:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:10:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem ... MTBF ? References: Message-ID: <001e01c0f601$363643a0$44289bca@smarzuki> Sorry to ride along again and if this has showed up in the past. What is the average 'lifespan' of laser eye on cd players (or Nak's in particular) ? An old cheap sony from 84 (rarely used) also cheap technics from 89 (used almost daily for 5 yrs) are still tracking fine and only need some lube every 3 yrs or so (even read CDRs !). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > Stephen, thank you very much for the information. Just curious....per your > remark on replacing the laser...if it hasn't been replaced, can't it be > replaced with the Sony laser you mentioned? > > Alex > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 03:37:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:37:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <09e801c0f604$df834cc0$973442cf@sank1> I doubt you'll need my intervention, but I don't mind working on D105's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > OK. Well, I'm going to dismantle it and clean and lubricate everything. > Since it reeks like smoke so bad, I think this is necessary. If I can't get > it working, perhaps you would be interested in tackling it? I'll contact > you if my attempt at repairing this doesn't pan out. > > Alex > > > You know, I am not actually sure if the KSS-152 was a drop-in replacement > > for the Alps laser. It might be, but it might not. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 03:45:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:45:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.0.2.1.0.20010616130204.01ec3d00@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <09ee01c0f606$156a5260$973442cf@sank1> It's been so long since anyone over here has considered an OMS-1 worth putting any money into, that I have no idea if the motor is still available. I don't personally consider them worth putting much into, either. Certainly not worth shipping 12,000 miles. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm remembering that it was the top shaft bearing that would cause the trouble. So, you should try some high grade teflon oil, drooled around the base of the shaft under the platter, so that it can seep into the bearing. If that doesn't cure it, I would advise getting a different player. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > Thank you Stephen! > A prompt and concise reply...which I do appreciate. > > May I ask if replacement motors are easily available? > I am in New Zealand and the unit is a 240V model...could it be fitted by my > local electronic repair centre...or would it have to go an authorised Nak > agent (when I got my CR7 serviced here by the NZ authorised agent it was > away for about 4 months. Terribly slow :-( > > Would rather send it all to you ....but unsure about you servicing 240v > units...and whether it would survive a trip half way around the world. > > Brett > > At 18:46 15/06/2001 -0600, Stephen Sank wrote: > >It's the motor that spins the disc. Common problem on OMS-1's, which are > >almost entirely mundane NEC players. Most of the time, replacement is > >required, but it can't hurt to try silicone spray, as I described to Alex. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brett Dickel" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:48 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars > >(about > > > $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold and a > > > good friend sold it to me... :-) > > > > > > What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to be ok > > > or at least better when warm. > > > > > > Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? > > > > > > Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 03:47:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:47:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem ... MTBF ? References: <001e01c0f601$363643a0$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <09f401c0f606$4d1a9bc0$973442cf@sank1> The "rated life" of the average CD laser is 5000 hours. However, experience shows that life expectancy has much more to do with original quality than hours of use. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem ... MTBF ? > > Sorry to ride along again and if this has showed up in the past. What is > the average 'lifespan' of laser eye on cd players (or Nak's in particular) ? > An old cheap sony from 84 (rarely used) also cheap technics from 89 (used > almost daily for 5 yrs) are still tracking fine and only need some lube > every 3 yrs or so (even read CDRs !). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:37 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > Stephen, thank you very much for the information. Just curious....per > your > > remark on replacing the laser...if it hasn't been replaced, can't it be > > replaced with the Sony laser you mentioned? > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 03:49:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:49:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: <095301c0f5cc$cbf776a0$973442cf@sank1> <001901c0f5fa$82a73840$cebd16d0@0021976299> Message-ID: <09fa01c0f606$88f26ec0$973442cf@sank1> Sorry for the delay, Joel. Haven't quite gotten to the 3014 yet. However, I did get into the Nak 500 & found the primary defect was just a zener diode in the supply. Just have to replace the zener & do some routine work on it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "joel eidbo" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > Hi Steve! Can I get the Tandberg pretty soon? Also was wondering if you > had a chance to look at the Nak 500 yet? thanks, joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > The first thing to check for is "dead spots" in the tracking drive motor. > > With an oscilloscope or meter, look for a larger-than-usual DC "build up" > > just before a skip. If this is observed, then "shoot up" the motor with > > electronic-grade silicone spray lubricant into any available opening > > in/around the bottom end. You may have to unsolder a small circuit board > > from the two transport motors to do this, been too long to remember. > While > > you're in there, do the same to the spindle motor, the one that spins the > > disc. After this, play a disc & make it go to the last track & back to > the > > first track & back again, over & over in rapid succession a dozen or so > > times. Then, play through a disc or two before expecting the problem to > be > > gone, if this has been the cure. > > If the above fails to cure it, the next most likely thing is a flakey > laser > > pick-up. If it has the original Alps laser, I don't know where to tell > you > > to get one, except to contact Alpine & ask. If it has been replaced with > a > > Sony KSS-152, I am quite sure I can find one for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:15 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > > > > Ron, I absolutely concur with you ie: he knew about the defect. He is > now > > > saying that he played an entire cd with no skips....so it must have been > > > caused during shipping. What are the odds of this problem manifesting > > > itself because of shipping? FWIW, the packing job was horrible (even > > worse > > > than my packing job when I sent my Dragon to you, Stephen :-)) > > > > > > This guy have well over 400 feedbacks and only 1 is negative. He > > certainly > > > doesn't have to worry about my one feedback response. Looks like I am > > stuck > > > with it, no matter what. This is my first experience with ebay that > > wasn't > > > great. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > IME, the most difficult faults to repair are the > > > > intermittent > > > > ones -- they usually refuse to appear while the machine is > > > > open on the bench, but occur immediately after it's buttoned > > > > up and put in the customer's equipment rack... > > > > > > > > The first thing I thought about was a mechanical > > > > obstruction, > > > > especially, if it tends to skip always at the same location. > > > > But since you beat me to it, I would check two more things: > > > > first, the power supply (especially, to the digital control > > > > board) and second: noise/grounding in that board. Just a\ > > > > suggestion, I am sure Stephen will have other ideas. > > > > > > > > On a different track: this story, again, reinforces my > > > > opinion about ebay. I'll bet dollars to peanuts the seller > > > > knew about the problem, but, somehow, it slipped his mind > > > > while writing the item description. I recently was > > > > interested > > > > in a piece of equipment. The seller would not accept PayPal, > > > > only money orders. I wonder why... > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 16 04:38:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:38:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.0.2.1.0.20010616130204.01ec3d00@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <09ee01c0f606$156a5260$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c0f60d$5d378020$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Brett, Shipping is around US$40 ground (1-2 months wait), one way. I'm sure you'll find working Nak cd players for $150 over there, which will reach breakeven after you sell your oms1. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > It's been so long since anyone over here has considered an OMS-1 worth > putting any money into, that I have no idea if the motor is still available. > I don't personally consider them worth putting much into, either. Certainly > not worth shipping 12,000 miles. > Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm remembering that it was the top shaft > bearing that would cause the trouble. So, you should try some high grade > teflon oil, drooled around the base of the shaft under the platter, so that > it can seep into the bearing. If that doesn't cure it, I would advise > getting a different player. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brett Dickel" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > Thank you Stephen! > > A prompt and concise reply...which I do appreciate. > > > > May I ask if replacement motors are easily available? > > I am in New Zealand and the unit is a 240V model...could it be fitted by > my > > local electronic repair centre...or would it have to go an authorised Nak > > agent (when I got my CR7 serviced here by the NZ authorised agent it was > > away for about 4 months. Terribly slow :-( > > > > Would rather send it all to you ....but unsure about you servicing 240v > > units...and whether it would survive a trip half way around the world. > > > > Brett > > > > At 18:46 15/06/2001 -0600, Stephen Sank wrote: > > >It's the motor that spins the disc. Common problem on OMS-1's, which are > > >almost entirely mundane NEC players. Most of the time, replacement is > > >required, but it can't hurt to try silicone spray, as I described to > Alex. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brett Dickel" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:48 PM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars > > >(about > > > > $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold > and a > > > > good friend sold it to me... :-) > > > > > > > > What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to > be ok > > > > or at least better when warm. > > > > > > > > Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... > > > > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 16 07:11:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:11:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem Message-ID: <11c.6099b7.285c4497@aol.com> In a message dated 6/15/2001 9:07:38 AM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << http://www.euronet.nl/~icu15082/Luxmanframe.html >> Hi Alex, Congratulations on the tube CD player purchase. A tube CD player, very interesting concept - I am slightly familiar with tube devices from my old CB radio days. Is it safe to assume that as the tubes warm up the sound and ambiance improves? How long does it take for the tubes to warm up? And, yes it is a very sexy looking piece of equipment. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 16 07:18:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:18:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:37:46 PM Central Daylight Time, marc at Stager.com writes: << A different cd player problem... I have a JVC XL-Z1050. It sounds beautiful and I'm in no hurry to replace it (BTW, I updated the audio IC to an OP-275). >> Since it is slow on the list, may I ask the collective wisdom of this group a question. I've seen several posting referencing this audio IC upgrade. Is this a modification that would be recommended for all CD players? And, is the difference in sound clearly noticeable? As always, thank you all in advance for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Sat Jun 16 07:51:03 2001 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:51:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <007b01c0f628$552840c0$72d36bd8@m5e0c7> > Hmmm...personally, I want to keep this machine. I like it. I don't want to > return it Alex, I expected a work of art, looks like a box! You need some Fuchs to polish? That aught to get ya thinking straight. Remember nice lines?form ? function? Think Porsche......Nak 600 series....Thats the ticket.... Damon@ Series 900 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 09:41:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:41:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: <11c.6099b7.285c4497@aol.com> Message-ID: <0a3c01c0f637$c880eae0$973442cf@sank1> Very, very little of the sound of the Lux D105 can be attributed to the use of the two tubes. They are barely in the circuit, being used merely as cathode followers, so they have virtually no influence. They are almost soley there for cosmetics. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > In a message dated 6/15/2001 9:07:38 AM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << http://www.euronet.nl/~icu15082/Luxmanframe.html >> > Hi Alex, > > Congratulations on the tube CD player purchase. A tube CD player, very > interesting concept - I am slightly familiar with tube devices from my old CB > radio days. Is it safe to assume that as the tubes warm up the sound and > ambiance improves? How long does it take for the tubes to warm up? And, yes > it is a very sexy looking piece of equipment. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 16 09:44:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:44:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <0a4a01c0f638$2a4c0340$973442cf@sank1> There are very, very few CD players(and DVD & LD players, for that matter) that would not benefit to some sonic extent from op amp upgrading, if they use op amp IC's in their output stages. The OP275 dual and the OP176 single op amps are my personal favorites. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:37:46 PM Central Daylight Time, > marc at Stager.com writes: > > << A different cd player problem... > > I have a JVC XL-Z1050. It sounds beautiful and I'm in no hurry to > replace it (BTW, I updated the audio IC to an OP-275). > >> > > Since it is slow on the list, may I ask the collective wisdom of this group a > question. I've seen several posting referencing this audio IC upgrade. Is > this a modification that would be recommended for all CD players? And, is > the difference in sound clearly noticeable? As always, thank you all in > advance for your help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 16 10:00:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:00:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem Message-ID: In a message dated 6/16/2001 2:40:08 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Very, very little of the sound of the Lux D105 can be attributed to the use of the two tubes. They are barely in the circuit, being used merely as cathode followers, so they have virtually no influence. They are almost soley there for cosmetics. >> Interesting, cosmetics. Two bad, those old tube radios and old CB radios have a unique and quite pleasant sound when those old tubes warm up. Is this another one of my marketing counterparts using tubes as a selling mechanism? Hmmmmmmmmm.... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 16 17:15:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:15:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: <11c.6099b7.285c4497@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B2B7805.456D315@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > [....] > Is it safe to assume that as the tubes warm up the sound and > ambiance improves? Why would you assume that? > How long does it take for the tubes to warm up? If you mean, 'How long does it take the heater to warm up', then for most tubes, this is not specified. For those that did specify this (usually, tubes designed for series heater connection), it was 11 seconds. If you mean, 'How long does it take a tube to thermally stabilize', this depends on tube type and circuit packaging. Usually, 30 minutes to 1 hour (but some tube aficionados claim anywhere from 4 to 24 hours -- I am not sure why). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 16 17:27:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:27:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <3B2B7AEE.A2DE1115@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:37:46 PM Central Daylight Time, > marc at Stager.com writes: > > << A different cd player problem... > > I have a JVC XL-Z1050. It sounds beautiful and I'm in no hurry to > replace it (BTW, I updated the audio IC to an OP-275). > >> > > Since it is slow on the list, may I ask the collective wisdom of this group a > question. I've seen several posting referencing this audio IC upgrade. Is > this a modification that would be recommended for all CD players? And, is > the difference in sound clearly noticeable? As always, thank you all in > advance for your help. > > -Sam The OP-275 was designed for high-end audio applications and, as such, should provide better performance that any general purpose op-amp. However, the $64,000 question is, is the improvement theoretical, finite but very small, or easily noticeable. Because I was considering tweaking my CR-7 (by, among other things, upgrading op-amps), I conducted some fairly time consuming listening tests. My conclusion was that the difference was finite, but very small. This means, it will probably be audible only on specific program material, and only on A-B comparisons. IOW, it was probably not worthwhile to do. At the time, I posted the results and, like you, asking for the group collective wisdom. There was nothing in the meager responses to suggest my conclusion was erroneous. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bobos61 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 16 18:57:09 2001 From: bobos61 at hotmail.com (e mambruno) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR-10 CASSETTE DECK Message-ID: HAVE OFFER TO BUY NEW DR-10 DECK FOR $300. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS MODEL. IS THIS DECK WORTH IT? CURRENTLY USE 581 DECK, HOWEVER ITS OVER 20 YEARS OLD. ANY SUGGESTIONS. THANKS ED _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Jun 16 21:47:03 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:47:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon References: <20010607042702.D3A371DFB14@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the delay Kannan, I was enjoying musics on my Dragon ;-) Since the beginning my Dragon's meters displayed about 1 dB louder level on both cal test tones. I wasn't figuring me the importance of to have them rightly set on 0 dB, I thought that to set in rec the level to match the cal tone for any source level... in fact, the segments of the 0 dB zone of that meter lights up with fade, the most important step is to have them starting to dim light @ -0.25 dB. By following carefully the manual's steps, I have done it after 5 hours warming up period. Now the sound is as clear in replay as in source monitoring even with type II tapes, I mean that I have no more to cheat in dolby level and this even with 15 kHz set on 0 dB !!! Now, an interesting tip for you Kannan, as for other CR-7 owners, I have to say that owning myself the CR-7 service.manual and like that deck is more recent than Dragon, I was coming to think interesting to take lessons on the CR-7 circuits over Dragon's ones. At least for the playback amp. It is from a long time now that I've replaced the constant voltage source in form of voltage follower op-amp (njm072) by the same that in CR-7, namely 4558. What leads me to do so was more the studying of the njm072 data sheet, (which notice it could cause oscillation in voltage follower applications), than deep conviction, because the 4558 is 15 times less fast than the previous one and is more noisy too. So I do it. At that time the originals signal chemical caps where on place and I do not feel a great change. (metallized film now...Killer!) As in my previous mail I was complaining about "dull" sound in replay, I found at last the problem. I throw out the 4558 and put instead a OP-2134. This opamp does have interesting spec's for this purpose which require to feed ultra-noiseless DC to the input fets with speed. [8 nV/Hz square root ]noise figure and ultra low output impedance namely 0.0004 Ohms in DC region to 0.02 Ohms for 20 kHz in V. follower.+ having 135 dB separation between both channels with 20 V/us SR, great PSRR. I thought about 5532 wich have 4 dB lesser noise but its data sheet ask to put in serie 1k resistor to its input so I refrained me to do it. The sound quality is now excellent, far more perspective & transparency, soundstage structure, details, the nuances of the bass are amazing even in complex messages all these points with nuances in dynamics , it means also the masking effect exists no more. And the noise is now neutral, flat and very low. Let me invite you to replace the IC 302 in your CR-7 playback amp by OP-2134 or better if you find some, it will be farther superior than with 4558 in all regards, and you can take advantage to throw out C141/C241 100 pF cap to improve slew rate and reduce coloration. In addition, after the first audition, you can bypass C304 with i.e 470 uF as well with several low value film cap each of different (decreasing)values (reducing ESL of each ones) leading to feed into follower opamp lesser noise. I place that type because I've already replaced all play opamp by this one, like that, as in the Dragon original design, all op amps are matched in slew rate & temperature drift. In fact to my eyes (ears) OP-2134 is better suited for concrete demands as strict precision parameters than for audio amplification, this one have a fancy in the medium in amplification... To return on Bias trap subject, the values you measured were useful to me, thank you! With 9 V ac bias on rec head, bias leakage is on TP103 : 727 mV TP203 : 258 mV Left channel needs to be readjusted, 9 dB difference is huge! I will try to reduce it with the trap coil, if I cannot get lower value, I will like you search for a dead cap. Ever with 9 Volts bias on rec head, I measure with rec/replay on a TDK MA +4 dB (-16 dB) for 15 kHz on TP101/201, is it the case for you ? I guess the identical HF levels I get with the same bias level on both channels shows me that my peaking coils are perfectly adjusted. I will check it later. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > > Matyas > Let me try to get one by one for you to do the Dragon wrok neatly. > You need some of the Nak test tapes to set Dragon to work correctly like 1) Azimuth 15 Khz/ 2) 400Hz level and 3)track alignment tape ( this does not affect anyway the record quality). > You have to go by the service manual steps > Meter adjustments first > Tone oscillator adjustment > Playback level adjustments. > After doing all these, your dragon should work correctly provided Head ( Record head/ Playhead ) alignment is OK. What I found in my Dragon is accuracy of the meter is slightly off but that does not produce dull sound anyway as I had calibrated tone oscillator and play back record circuits correctly. My bias trap was functioning allright in Dragon with slight change which would not affect the record quality anyway. > However if you find the sound quality is not OK , check record peaking adjustment and bias trap check. For peaking you have to disable the bias oscillator by removing bias cut jumper and feeding 20 Khz at -20 dB level ( see you need to setup the meter and other reference level properly as all the steps refer to ref 0dB 400Hz and that should relate to play head flux level for correct record /play response)to input and checking the output at the record amp output using VTVM or True RMS DMM- test points provided and refer service manual. Do not try to adjust the peaking Inductors until your bias trap check is done. Record peaking Inductor has small range like 11 - 16 dB of boost at 20 Khz but generally I found the original setting was almost allright like bias trap coil. The manual asks you to set 23 Khz at +16 dB but you can use 20 Khz at +13 dB as I do not have 23 Khz audio tone generator. > > Bias trap is checked by keeping the Dragon in record pause mode ( to keep the bias oscillator on )and checking the level of 105 Khz bias leakage signal level at test point ( at the out put of record amp before the bias trap coil!) applying no signal and checking this reqires VTVM/ TRMS DMM or Oscilloscope. Preferable is VTVM/ DMM. At this test try adjusting bias trap coil and see the signal amplitude is the lowest - for Metal tape position, I found around 300 milli Volt RMS at this test point (for 9 V RMS 105 Khz bias signal at the recording head). For Chrom postion and normal tape position the signal level will be less as bias signal level applied on record head is less. This leakge seems OK but if that goes down to 200milli Volt it is definitely better. Whereas I found 500millivolt RMS at the test point in BX300 caused audible distortion and after reducing it by replacing a cap cured the problem. > > Your problem seems more of alignment of Tone oscillator to playback level. If they do not match your setting the level and bias using the external adjustments are not correct and cause such problems.( My guess may be wrong but you have to check it out) > Secondly Nakamichi has chosen 400Hz 0 VU level as standard and wants you to check the distortion levels are below 0.8% for metal tape to ensure adherence to their published specs. If you adjust properly, Dragon might yield less than half that distortion or even less at 0 VU - Stephen can vouch for this statement. > Also I know you are itching to wield your screw Driver and without proper test tapes, please do not try as you may end up with bizarre results!Since I have seen many Naks after so many years of use do not show deviations from original setting which is as close to the service manual. > > My general advice is to have atleast Nak refrence 400Hz level tape alone and that would be enough to set the correct reord / replay / meter levels in any Nak. Hope I answered allright? > > Some used Nak test tapes are allready on ebay ! check it out > - 15 Khz azimuth tape > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244115295 > > 3 Khz wow and flutter tape > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244115531 > > Track alignment tape > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244116764 > > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > > > >Hi Kannan, as you are referring to 400 Hz level on the bias tune, > >I have some questions about it. > > > > I have not a distortion meter and want to know why Nak tell us to obtain > >i.e 0.8 % thd for ZX , 1 % for SX... instead to instruct us as "on 400 Hz > >get the lesser THD possible, equal or lesser than..." or to tune the bias to > >get the higher level on 400 Hz as many techies does? > > > >I ever been annoyed by the Dragons bias tune, (user,front pannel) if you set > >it as instructed in the user manual, I find the sound dull. Quikly I came to > >proceed as follow: > > > >Rec 400 Hz, I set its level in the +3 dB (2nd scale of the meter) region > >for its relative accuracy then, ever on 400 Hz I turn bias pot to get the > >best efficiency, (then I set 400 Hz to +2 dB if I record with Dolby to avoid > >a slight pumping, in short, everytime..) > > > >I have no idea how high the THD is when I set my Dragon like that, judging > >the too high 15 kHz level then (well shaped) what's to think? (as I said > >above, if 15 k is set to 0 dB or +2 for Dolby, the sound is dull ) > >By instinct I fell the higher level you get by bias tune, lesser will be > >THD, now you said a leaky trap will demand more bias to raise 400 Hz with > >more distortion, I am not so messed but just willing to know in trap > >combination, between the peaking and the trap, what to adjust first ! > > > >You said leaky trap affect a lot the sound...and now my screwdriver itches > >me ;-) > > > >My tweaks on my Dragon where limited til' now to opamp/cap matters and of > >azimuth motor idle, azimuth phase balance... As I never yet fiddled in bias > >traps, can you tell me if you see trap re-adjustments as an issue in > >Dragons, as for the two ones I know, the same way to bias tune is needed to > >get a sound decent. > > > >Thanx a lot > >Matyas > > > >(THD meters are at my work office) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sun Jun 17 01:45:43 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:45:43 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem In-Reply-To: <09ee01c0f606$156a5260$973442cf@sank1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616114053.022f0b50@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.0.2.1.0.20010616130204.01ec3d00@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010617114338.020f5980@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Thank you to Stephen and Salim for their help. It is very much appreciated...very much. If there is anything I can do for either of you please let me know Brett. At 19:45 15/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: >It's been so long since anyone over here has considered an OMS-1 worth >putting any money into, that I have no idea if the motor is still available. >I don't personally consider them worth putting much into, >either. Certainlynot worth shipping 12,000 miles. >Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm remembering that it was the top shaft >bearing that would cause the trouble. So, you should try some high grade >teflon oil, drooled around the base of the shaft under the platter, so >that it can seep into the bearing. If that doesn't cure it, I would >advise getting a different player. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brett Dickel" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > Thank you Stephen! > > A prompt and concise reply...which I do appreciate. > > > > May I ask if replacement motors are easily available? > > I am in New Zealand and the unit is a 240V model...could it be fitted by >my > > local electronic repair centre...or would it have to go an authorised Nak > > agent (when I got my CR7 serviced here by the NZ authorised agent it was > > away for about 4 months. Terribly slow :-( > > > > Would rather send it all to you ....but unsure about you servicing 240v > > units...and whether it would survive a trip half way around the world. > > > > Brett > > > > At 18:46 15/06/2001 -0600, Stephen Sank wrote: > > >It's the motor that spins the disc. Common problem on OMS-1's, which are > > >almost entirely mundane NEC players. Most of the time, replacement is > > >required, but it can't hurt to try silicone spray, as I described to >Alex. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brett Dickel" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:48 PM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Different CD player problem > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I recently purchased an Nakamichi OMS 1 CD player for $50 NZ dollars > > >(about > > > > $20 US dollars). The reason for the low cost was it skips when cold >and a > > > > good friend sold it to me... :-) > > > > > > > > What are the likely reasons for it skipping when cold....it seems to >be ok > > > > or at least better when warm. > > > > > > > > Worth getting fixed? Easu to do? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance .....and my apologis if this has come up before... > > > > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jun 17 08:49:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:49:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale Message-ID: Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 17 09:21:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:21:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale References: Message-ID: <003501c0f6fe$28b8ce20$43299bca@smarzuki> What a dream system !!! ... but why Heresy ? SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 17 09:59:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:59:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale References: Message-ID: <0b2001c0f703$601f4b00$973442cf@sank1> What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! If the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Jun 17 18:33:35 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:33:35 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears Message-ID: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! If > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 17 19:01:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:01:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <002901c0f74f$1ff682e0$72299bca@smarzuki> Hi BigBear, Based on limited experience and fund ... kef 104.2, monitor audio st. 20 and of course various diys :-) - esp with focal drivers. Never had any electrostat or dynaudio before so can't tell if I'd like them - none is within my budget anyway. BTW, are you that 'dream system' seller ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > If > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Jun 17 19:52:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:52:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] So very French... References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <002901c0f74f$1ff682e0$72299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B2CEE45.47C92EF0@earthlink.net> It seems that Salim and I share the same preference in speakers. The JM Labs Mini Utopia, using Focal drivers of course, in one of the best speakers I've ever heard; neutral tonal balance, holographic imaging that you can actually hear INTO, lively dynamics, and very coherent. Too bad they are so expensive; $8000/pr, including stands. Of course the rest of the system was very good too. I don't know if it's wise to have a discussion about a favorite speaker without commenting on the appropriate amplifier to drive it. This is the second most important component combination, next to the room/speaker. The Mini Utopias were used with the Blue Circle hybrid monoblocks (single ended Class A using a 6SN7 driver tube and a bipolar output section). Cheers, Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi BigBear, > > Based on limited experience and fund ... kef 104.2, monitor audio st. 20 and > of course various diys :-) - esp with focal drivers. Never had any > electrostat or dynaudio before so can't tell if I'd like them - none is > within my budget anyway. > > BTW, are you that 'dream system' seller ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:33 PM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > > If > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > the > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Jun 17 19:56:16 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:56:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <003001c0f756$cf1916f0$9865fea9@D9569601> beveridge? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > If > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jun 17 20:20:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:20:42 -0400 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <3B2CF4FA.4952C067@concentric.net> Stephen's objection to Klipsch Hereseys is all too common. Many people dislike the EXTRA forward (some would say, 'screechy') sound of horn loaded mid-range drivers. Do remember that listening styles change. 25 years ago, the Heresey were considered high-end audiophile speakers. Personally, I felt they were suitable for Rock -- maybe even Jazz -- but not for classical or vocal music. I disagree with him only in that, in a very large and truly dead hall, they would probably outperform many modern speakers. In the average home, though, he is absolutely right. Of the speakers most suitable for classical and vocal music, I always favoured the B&W 800 series. I owned M801s for a while, but unfortunately they were very sensitive to room location. I currently own Aerial Acoustics 10T speakers, that are (to my ears) better suited, being almost perfectly neutral and far less sensitive to room location. They do quite well in home theater duty, as well. At the time, I also considered the N801 (B&W's replacement for the M801), but, first, $14,000 for a pair was too rich for my blood. More important, even on equal price, I still preferred the 10Ts, due to their more natural, almost transparent sound character. -- Ron bigbear69 wrote: > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > If > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 17 20:20:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:20:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] So very French... References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <002901c0f74f$1ff682e0$72299bca@smarzuki> <3B2CEE45.47C92EF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c0f75a$2effb080$d9299bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim, Too bad I really can't afford Utopias (and most of the JM line anyway), but using just its drivers - with active x.o - enough to give shrills and I can only imagine how good 'the officials' are. :-)Interestingly HFN&RR liked Nautilus 802 better than Mezzo. Right now I'm enjoying old kef 104.2 ... and this is where it gets exciting - usually just about every other speakers that I've used depends on the driving amp (say in same room) - but this kef is extremely consistent !! No matter which amp I use (about same 'class' of course), most of the time it will produce almost similar transparency, bass, 'stage' and so on. At the end I just use lowest wpc adcom and it still sounds wonderful. To me this is almost unbelievable ... probably got something to do with that 4ohms 'pure resistive' impedance. Anybody experienced same thing with this vintage speaker ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] So very French... > > It seems that Salim and I share the same preference in speakers. The JM > Labs Mini Utopia, using Focal drivers of course, in one of the best > speakers I've ever heard; neutral tonal balance, holographic imaging > that you can actually hear INTO, lively dynamics, and very coherent. Too > bad they are so expensive; $8000/pr, including stands. Of course the > rest of the system was very good too. > > I don't know if it's wise to have a discussion about a favorite speaker > without commenting on the appropriate amplifier to drive it. This is the > second most important component combination, next to the room/speaker. > The Mini Utopias were used with the Blue Circle hybrid monoblocks > (single ended Class A using a 6SN7 driver tube and a bipolar output > section). > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi BigBear, > > > > Based on limited experience and fund ... kef 104.2, monitor audio st. 20 and > > of course various diys :-) - esp with focal drivers. Never had any > > electrostat or dynaudio before so can't tell if I'd like them - none is > > within my budget anyway. > > > > BTW, are you that 'dream system' seller ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:33 PM > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > > > If > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > > the > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jun 17 20:38:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:38:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] So very French... References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <002901c0f74f$1ff682e0$72299bca@smarzuki> <3B2CEE45.47C92EF0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B2CF922.8EA06E24@concentric.net> Of Salim's mention, I related to the Kef 104, that I really liked. Almost as much as the 107 (that was, of course, dramatically more expensive). It is quite true that matching amplifier characteristics to speakers is very important. Some speakers are very easy to drive (mostly, high efficiency, high impedance speakers), while others are fairly difficult. I used to drive the B&W M801s with Denon power POA-8002 amplifier -- very sweet sounding super clean amp and not expensive at all (as high-end component prices go), at about $500 per channel. When I got the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts home, I was disappointed to find the sound constricted and rather forced. The M801s were 8 ohm speakers. The 10Ts goes down to 3 ohms over certain frequencies. After much auditioning, I replaced the Denon amps with Aragon 8008 (unfortunately, at double the price) that easily drive any speaker load you care to throw at it. This solved the problem. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > It seems that Salim and I share the same preference in speakers. The JM > Labs Mini Utopia, using Focal drivers of course, in one of the best > speakers I've ever heard; neutral tonal balance, holographic imaging > that you can actually hear INTO, lively dynamics, and very coherent. Too > bad they are so expensive; $8000/pr, including stands. Of course the > rest of the system was very good too. > > I don't know if it's wise to have a discussion about a favorite speaker > without commenting on the appropriate amplifier to drive it. This is the > second most important component combination, next to the room/speaker. > The Mini Utopias were used with the Blue Circle hybrid monoblocks > (single ended Class A using a 6SN7 driver tube and a bipolar output > section). > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi BigBear, > > > > Based on limited experience and fund ... kef 104.2, monitor audio st. 20 and > > of course various diys :-) - esp with focal drivers. Never had any > > electrostat or dynaudio before so can't tell if I'd like them - none is > > within my budget anyway. > > > > BTW, are you that 'dream system' seller ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:33 PM > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > > > If > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > > the > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 17 21:42:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:42:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for any raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even the 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the B&W's sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a while & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both felt like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the lot, with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few years, I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The only other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the last five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or so retail & are shockingly good. I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate the current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's can sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet & restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the woofer once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone sags & rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, at least much. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > If > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jun 18 03:09:01 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:09:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found Message-ID: OK, I ripped the whole thing apart, cleaned all the boards with electronics cleaner, blew everything out, put electronic grade silicon in both the servo motor and the motor that spins the compact disc (repeatedly). I relubed the transport, checked for loose solder joint, cleaned the laser (also took off the plastic case on the laser and cleaned the head of the laser before the pickup), basically went through it and did what you said Stephen. It still skips. Same skipping...some small skips...some skips to totally different tracks. The laser is labeled as a KSS-152A. The motors are Mabuchi's. On the servo motor I was getting voltage reading from small negative voltages (higher than -1) to +1 volts. The numbers were all over the place....and is normal, I assume, since the servo moves front to back as it tracks. The motor that spins the disc was getting .4 volts to almost 1 volt (from the beginning of the disc to then end respectively) and was jumping during skipping....to well over 1 volt. I did clean both motors very thoroughly....and the problem is still there, as I said. Now, what I am wondering now is.....is this likely the laser? The laser is what tells the servo motor where and when to move...correct? Perhaps another electronic piece can be off...an IC or something? Right when I put the thing back together after all this work, it started skipping immediately..and very frequently. Now it is back down to normal skipping...once every few minutes. Last night it played two full songs with no skipping...then started up and skipped 4 or 5 times in the same song. What is interesting is that I took apart my old Kenwood player to watch the transport on it for comparison. It has a KSS 150A laser that looks identical. Can I put this laser in place? There appears to be a slight difference on the printed circuitboard part of the laser. The Kenwood's tracking motor is far more predictable than the Luxman. While the Luxman servo motor moves around quite a bit, then Kenwood seems to move mostly in one direction and at normal intervals. The Luxman moves all over the place during playing. I am just trying to give as much info on what I have seen going on. I really enjoyed doing all this....it was really interesting seeing the laser and pickup with the thin plastic cover off the top. I see the pickup rests in an electromagnetic field...really cool. I think I could replace the laser...at least it looks that way. It seems as though I need a special screwdriver for the strange 'star' type screw heads. So, Stephen...can you get me one of these lasers? Can I slap the 150A in place of the 152A? Is there more to changing out the laser than I can do with patience and a special screwdriver? TIA for helping me out. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Jun 18 03:51:53 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:51:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best Stereo ... Message-ID: Wouldn't you love to be Samantha, one of the heroines of the "Sex and the City" series on HBO, who at 44 is married to Mr. Mark Levinson. Wouldn't you want to own LEXUS LS430 with ML stereo included? Well, at 35 I wouldn't want to have a 44 years old wife, nor a LS430, which is more of a perfection version of Buick LeSabre than anything else ... My top choice is Audi S8, with Audi Concert System (probably some variation of BOSE system), with 245/450-WR18 tires linked to the most sophisticated AWD system and 360 hp engine can produce the feeling of WOW ... It depends what you are for. What it is that you are listening to. It dependents whom you are listening to the tune with. My point, there are no best speakers, no best car, no best woman ... It all depends on the context. There can be a time where a DALIDA played by Nissan Bose system of Q45 2001 may sound better than the system in Subaru Outback (by McIntosh 11 speakers) playing Mozart while you are enjoying another piece of rhubarb pie with a 300 lbs damme ... Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 04:22:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: Message-ID: <0bd401c0f79d$81e887c0$973442cf@sank1> It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this point. Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the pickup body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as an integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To remove the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the rack-side of the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer the gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting jumper on the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a piece of paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together smoothly, you should be done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > OK, I ripped the whole thing apart, cleaned all the boards with electronics > cleaner, blew everything out, put electronic grade silicon in both the servo > motor and the motor that spins the compact disc (repeatedly). I relubed the > transport, checked for loose solder joint, cleaned the laser (also took off > the plastic case on the laser and cleaned the head of the laser before the > pickup), basically went through it and did what you said Stephen. > > It still skips. Same skipping...some small skips...some skips to totally > different tracks. The laser is labeled as a KSS-152A. The motors are > Mabuchi's. On the servo motor I was getting voltage reading from small > negative voltages (higher than -1) to +1 volts. The numbers were all over > the place....and is normal, I assume, since the servo moves front to back as > it tracks. The motor that spins the disc was getting .4 volts to almost 1 > volt (from the beginning of the disc to then end respectively) and was > jumping during skipping....to well over 1 volt. I did clean both motors > very thoroughly....and the problem is still there, as I said. > > Now, what I am wondering now is.....is this likely the laser? The laser is > what tells the servo motor where and when to move...correct? Perhaps > another electronic piece can be off...an IC or something? Right when I put > the thing back together after all this work, it started skipping > immediately..and very frequently. Now it is back down to normal > skipping...once every few minutes. Last night it played two full songs with > no skipping...then started up and skipped 4 or 5 times in the same song. > What is interesting is that I took apart my old Kenwood player to watch the > transport on it for comparison. It has a KSS 150A laser that looks > identical. Can I put this laser in place? There appears to be a slight > difference on the printed circuitboard part of the laser. The Kenwood's > tracking motor is far more predictable than the Luxman. While the Luxman > servo motor moves around quite a bit, then Kenwood seems to move mostly in > one direction and at normal intervals. The Luxman moves all over the place > during playing. > > I am just trying to give as much info on what I have seen going on. I > really enjoyed doing all this....it was really interesting seeing the laser > and pickup with the thin plastic cover off the top. I see the pickup rests > in an electromagnetic field...really cool. I think I could replace the > laser...at least it looks that way. It seems as though I need a special > screwdriver for the strange 'star' type screw heads. So, Stephen...can you > get me one of these lasers? Can I slap the 150A in place of the 152A? Is > there more to changing out the laser than I can do with patience and a > special screwdriver? TIA for helping me out. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Mon Jun 18 05:16:53 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:16:53 -0400 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <3B2D72A5.FFE01A93@snip.net> Three favorite speakers? Afraid this is going to date me. I liked Acoustat 2+2's: For those who have listened to them, or still have them, the Acoustat 2+2 was a phenomenal speaker. Properly positioned and with no-compromise electronics in the front end, they gave an enormous sound field, tremendous front to back depth, truly great imaging and image specificity, a seamless top to bottom (I could get them down to 28-24 Hz) and phenomenal accuracy. However, they reproduced exactly what was fed into them with all of its imperfections. I can still remember too closely miked female vocals say Joan Armatrading, where it seemed like you had a pair of lips 12 feet wide hanging in space in front of you and singing to you. Anybody else have fond memories of these? Next Vandersteen 4A's. They were his flagship speaker for a long while and I am currently using them. Once a year Richard Vandersteen would shut down his assembly line and switch it over to the production of the 4A's . He would make one speaker pair for each of his authorized dealers and ship it to them. Better than 4 ft tall on spikes, weighing about 175 lbs. each, an open baffle design with great coherence and image specificity and very efficient. They go really deep, an easy 18-20Hz, with dual 12 inch woofers on each side. They're as transparent as the 2+2's but in an open baffle, dynamic driver sort of way (vs the electrostatic transparency of the 2+2's). I think they are more forgiving at the high end and boy do they go down deep in a natural sort of way, not over-bassy. I listen to mostly classical, jazz, blues and vocals. Mine are bi-amped and bi-wired (the preferred hook-up). Now Vandersteen makes the model 5 which I hear is even better though I haven't had the good fortune to have heard them personally. Finally I liked Dan Greenfield's speakers whenever I heard them. Steve Sank could tell fellow Nak-talkers about these, because he worked with Dan. I've never had the opportunity to hear Steve's speakers. bigbear69 wrote: > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > If > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > NetZero Platinum > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > http://www.netzero.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Jun 18 07:23:26 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:23:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <3B2CF4FA.4952C067@concentric.net> Message-ID: <7CD7F409.614667BF.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Nakfriends, Well, my list of favourite loudspeakers looks as follows: 1. JMLab Micro Utopia 2. KEF Reference 2 3. ProAc Response 1SC 4. B&W Silver Signature. Interesting though brands and models just appear to repeat in most postings. It gives me a thought about some connotations between Nak sound and some preferred loudspeaker manufacturers. If I'm not mistaken for example in the UK Nakamichi & B&W were sold by the same company. What do you think? What about amplifier brands and models? 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Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears Three favorite speakers? Afraid this is going to date me. I liked Acoustat 2+2's: For those who have listened to them, or still have them, the Acoustat 2+2 was a phenomenal speaker. Properly positioned and with no-compromise electronics in the front end, they gave an enormous sound field, tremendous front to back depth, truly great imaging and image specificity, a seamless top to bottom (I could get them down to 28-24 Hz) and phenomenal accuracy. However, they reproduced exactly what was fed into them with all of its imperfections. I can still remember too closely miked female vocals say Joan Armatrading, where it seemed like you had a pair of lips 12 feet wide hanging in space in front of you and singing to you. Anybody else have fond memories of these? Next Vandersteen 4A's. They were his flagship speaker for a long while and I am currently using them. Once a year Richard Vandersteen would shut down his assembly line and switch it over to the production of the 4A's . He would make one speaker pair for each of his authorized dealers and ship it to them. Better than 4 ft tall on spikes, weighing about 175 lbs. each, an open baffle design with great coherence and image specificity and very efficient. They go really deep, an easy 18-20Hz, with dual 12 inch woofers on each side. They're as transparent as the 2+2's but in an open baffle, dynamic driver sort of way (vs the electrostatic transparency of the 2+2's). I think they are more forgiving at the high end and boy do they go down deep in a natural sort of way, not over-bassy. I listen to mostly classical, jazz, blues and vocals. Mine are bi-amped and bi-wired (the preferred hook-up). Now Vandersteen makes the model 5 which I hear is even better though I haven't had the good fortune to have heard them personally. Finally I liked Dan Greenfield's speakers whenever I heard them. Steve Sank could tell fellow Nak-talkers about these, because he worked with Dan. I've never had the opportunity to hear Steve's speakers. bigbear69 wrote: Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! If > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in the > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Like my favorite tube amps, the Electrocompaniet amps have a full, rich low end with lots of harmonic complexity, truly holographic soundstaging (a much overused term that happens to fit in this case), loads of naturally rendered detail and tonal color, and very lively dynamics, Unlike most tubes amps, they offer tons of slam with fully extended, well controlled low end, plenty of air and detail at the opposite extreme and sound that won't change with time. Unlike most solid state amps, the sound never becomes harmonically bleached or mechanical, listener fatigue is a thing of the past and the presentation is always involving and musical. Like the best solid state designs, they are perfectly capable of driving reactive loads or extremely low impedances with crazy phase swings. These amps just plain make music and earn my highest recommendation. All Electrocompaniet amps share the same family sound but their attributes seem to get better with each step up the the product line. Although I haven't listened extensively to the Nemos (designed for the B & W Nautilus 801) I can say that their little brother, the $7000/pr AW180 180 watt monoblocks (1100 watts into 0.5 Ohms!!) are simply stunning. Oh, and did I mention that all their gear has an understated elegant appearance that fits in nicely with both modern and traditional surroundings? Well done! And if you in the market for a top notch CD player, their EMC-1 should definitely be on your short list. I compared it side by side with the top Linn, Naim, Mark Levinson, Meridian, Audio Mecca and Aero CD players and found it to have the most life like, musically involving presentation of all. At $4000, it also happened to be the least expensive. Sorry if this reads like advertising copy but I haven't been this happy with a company's products in years. I'm truly in love... Cheeeers! Jim Volpatti Nick wrote: > > Hi, Nakfriends, > > Well, my list of favourite loudspeakers looks as follows: > > 1. JMLab Micro Utopia > 2. KEF Reference 2 > 3. ProAc Response 1SC > 4. B&W Silver Signature. > > Interesting though brands and models just appear to repeat in most postings. It gives me a thought about some connotations between Nak sound and some preferred loudspeaker manufacturers. If I'm not mistaken for example in the UK Nakamichi & B&W were sold by the same company. What do you think? What about amplifier brands and models? > > Regards, > > Nicholas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I had a couple of custom DC power supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the power) made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you can look at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can take these mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or better. I want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing again....). Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I have lost all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break down and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! Regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for any > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even the > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the B&W's > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a while > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both felt > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the lot, > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few years, > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The only > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the last > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or so > retail & are shockingly good. > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate the > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's can > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet & > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the woofer > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone sags & > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, at > least much. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > > If > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > the > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 18 10:18:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:18:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004101c0f7cf$38727510$9865fea9@D9569601> Also, where can I audition a pair of these little speakers? If they are as good as you say they are I might just off my Thiels and run these with a decent subwoofer. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for any > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even the > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the B&W's > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a while > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both felt > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the lot, > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few years, > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The only > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the last > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or so > retail & are shockingly good. > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate the > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's can > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet & > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the woofer > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone sags & > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, at > least much. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. But > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak system?! > > If > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > the > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You'll possibly find those on Naktalk who would recommend getting a thoroughly reconditioned classic from yester-year for numerous reasons. Since you have a 581 (not one I know) then you already have an older deck from Nakamichi. But $300 is a heck of deal, whichever way you look at it on a new DR10. Without any further rambling, Hi-Fi Choice evaluated it fairly recently and the reviewer pitted it against his personal Pioneer CT-95 (the export version of the CT-1100S and Pioneer's final superdeck) and he thought there wasn't much in it. He felt that although minidisc had 'much to offer for the classical listener' that the Nakamichi was better with all other programme material. You can do thousands of worse things with three hundred sheets. Good luck. Marc e mambruno wrote: > HAVE OFFER TO BUY NEW DR-10 DECK FOR $300. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS MODEL. > IS THIS DECK WORTH IT? CURRENTLY USE 581 DECK, HOWEVER ITS OVER 20 YEARS > OLD. > > ANY SUGGESTIONS. > > THANKS > ED > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I also have a Alpine 7909 CD player (indash single CD Auto player) that was really something in its day. Although it is now close to 10 years old. Would you be interested in taking a look at that piece as well? It does not track CD's at all, but controls my changer fine. Thanks, Jeff --- Stephen Sank wrote: > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best > speakers available for any > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & > small speakers side by > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last > Matrix 801, 802 & even the > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my > speakers, all of the B&W's > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to > my big ones for a while > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer > one time, we both felt > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with > fluid, due to how utterly > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were > the best of the lot, > with not very much muddledness, but they still had > the definite > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got > complex & loud. > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other > speakers in the last few years, > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other > than on B&W. The only > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I > could live with, in the last > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not > "i"), Apogee Slant > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it > or not, the smallest > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, > which are only $1k or so > retail & are shockingly good. > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't > much like them. Hate the > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. > The old KEF 105.2's can > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from > the woofer cabinet & > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you > have to rotate the woofer > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, > under-supported cone sags & > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any > other KEF models, at > least much. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're > not a Bose fan also. But > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll > like to know your three > > favorite types of speakers and their models. > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for > sale > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch > speakers with a Nak system?! > > If > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would > have been bleeding in > the > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his > house. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for > sale > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak > turntable! > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > http://www.netzero.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jun 18 17:05:48 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:05:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! Message-ID: This was sent to me from a guy I met on the net who has played around with a Luxman D105.....this again shows how correct Mr. Sank is! > Well... it's not a bad player, but not too good as well I'm > afraid. I've seen quite a bit of the inside of this player, > tracked the output stage and to my surprise, there's an opamp, > then the tube, then another opamp- that makes no sense > whatsoever. It seems the triode is just there to 'colour' the > sound and, of course, the front panel. I also found one of the > triode sections of each tube is completely unused, in fact it's > grounded, while it's heater *is* connected, so it does age. Thus, > the player could as well have been built with only one tube > instead of two. That confirms my estethic observation. > > The sound is quite good though, reasonable opamps with some even > order tube distortion. The character of the Burr-Brown DAC can be > recognized immediately. Also, Stephen, thanks for the info on the laser. I'll order one up and give it a try. Oh well...it still sounds good to me...but I will admit that my listening/ear skills are far from experienced. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 18 18:03:26 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:03:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR-10 CASSETTE DECK References: <3B2DDF93.A3AA4160@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <005d01c0f810$3582bea0$44ec3fd0@oemcomputer> > > But $300 is a heck of deal, whichever way you look at it on a new DR10. Well yes and no it is a deep discount from the original list but it is the AVERAGE PRICE these days for a new dr10. me thinks that Nak is dicontinuing the model or at least clearing out stock. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 18 18:10:05 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:10:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: Message-ID: <3B2E27DD.456C46A@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > This was sent to me from a guy I met on the net who has played around with a > Luxman D105.....this again shows how correct Mr. Sank is! > > > Well... it's not a bad player, but not too good as well I'm > > afraid. I've seen quite a bit of the inside of this player, > > tracked the output stage and to my surprise, there's an opamp, > > then the tube, then another opamp- that makes no sense > > whatsoever. It seems the triode is just there to 'colour' the > > sound and, of course, the front panel. I also found one of the > > triode sections of each tube is completely unused, in fact it's > > grounded, while it's heater *is* connected, so it does age. Thus, > > the player could as well have been built with only one tube > > instead of two. That confirms my estethic observation. > > > > The sound is quite good though, reasonable opamps with some even > > order tube distortion. The character of the Burr-Brown DAC can be > > recognized immediately. > > Also, Stephen, thanks for the info on the laser. I'll order one up and give > it a try. Oh well...it still sounds good to me...but I will admit that my > listening/ear skills are far from experienced. > > Alex I have already posted an opinion of tube line stages in CD players before and was apprehensive of repeating, not wishing to offend anyone. As far as I am concerned, this guy is right on the money. The only reason for including the tubes in there was Marketing -- to attract the tube aficionados, that often have no idea what tubes do, but are convinced that 'tubes are better'. Incorporating unnecessary tubes is an old trick. I still remember an old Emerson table radio model, that used two 6AU6s (dual diode/triode). One had the diodes grounded and the other had the triode grounded. When I asked their Chief Engineer why they did this, he said that 9 tube radios fetched a higher price than 8 tube radios... As to your problem -- barring an intermittent supply problem, it looks like a flaky laser. Unfortunately, intermittent problems can be very elusive. I wish you luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 18:49:48 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:49:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon References: <20010618041856.08B4B1E2835@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Hi kannan ! Here is the formula to know with a dB ratio how much is the second voltage, U 1 is 350 mV U 2 is 350 mV -0.25 dB ----> U2 = U1 * [10e(dB/20)] ----> U2 = 350 mV * [10e(-0.25/20)] = 340.07 mV 350 mV -0.9 dB is 315.55 mV 35 mV -0.25 dB is 34 mV (for 15 kHz) About the CR7, I was only speaking of the op-amp (cr7 , ic 302) which supplies DC to the both FETs of play amp. It is really fast to unsolder it, but as we talk about it, in your Dragon, do you also have replaced the constant voltage source (Dragon IC 301) with OP275 ? If not, you must try ! I shorten my mail now, further comment later, I have not the time right now, Greetings, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > Thanks Matyas > to bring the talk back to Nak side ( I am definitely enjoying the talk on speakers / CD players but not participating due to variety of reasons). > You are to be congratulated to get the meter calibration step by BOOK ( How much is -0.25 dB in mV? considering 350mV =0dB? ). I had just done some comparison with CR7 meters and Found Dragon should have atleast such fast and accurate responding Meters. For a Dragon name with such price Tag, Nakamichi should have done better justice to metering! However I think even CR7 meter would be inferior to many recording studio' VU meters with specified ballistics. However CR7 meter is more than adequate for cassette recording purposes. > > I replaced NJM072 with OP275 in Dragon' playback circuit first stage and am enjoying its sound. But CR7 - I am using it very little as I use that mostly for recording. > Dragon is the preferred choice for playback and wanted to check out MIT cap bypassing on all electrolytic caps. Unfortunately Percy did not respond to my brother' email and I did not get my MIT caps so far ( as well OPA 2604 that I wanted). I may not try to touch CR7 at present as Dragon is easier to try out as I know the circuit as well as location of components by heart by now. Since it is the preferred playback machine and mostly we tend to listen to music, I am willing work on Dragon. > > Your 702 mV bias leakage is not OK and you should check it out. > > Finally, I hope my understanding of the following statement is OK (Ever with 9 Volts bias on rec head, I measure with rec/replay on a TDK MA > >+4 dB (-16 dB) for 15 kHz on TP101/201, is it the case for you ?) > > as > Your record replay at -20 dB signal level > - you are getting -16 dB at 15 Khz Is it right? your Dragon shows +4dB at 15 Khz? If that is the case you may get 20 Khz response beyond spec unless some part is not OK. > > My Dragon shows almost -21 dB or -22 dB at 20 Khz while flat at 15 Khz / ie. my response is slightly drooping while yours is slightly raising response. But while adjusting bias with 15 Khz try to get as much flat as possible. Generally you try increasing response at higher frequency, you cause HF -MOL problem as well higher distortion. > slightly less response at high frequency can always be adjusted by tone controls in your Amp anyway. But generally higher bias leakage will definitely affect the response and you may need more bias to get the response. So you may have to apply more than this 9 V to get the response to spec. > Wish you good luck in solving your bias problem ( hope that is simple adjustment problem) > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Internal Bias tune - Dragon > > > >Sorry for the delay Kannan, I was enjoying musics on my Dragon ;-) > >Since the beginning my Dragon's meters displayed about 1 dB louder level on > >both cal test tones. > >I wasn't figuring me the importance of to have them rightly set on 0 dB, I > >thought that to set in rec the level to match the cal tone for any source > >level... in fact, the segments of the 0 dB zone of that meter lights up with > >fade, the most important step is to have them starting to dim light @ -0.25 > >dB. > >By following carefully the manual's steps, I have done it after 5 hours > >warming up period. > >Now the sound is as clear in replay as in source monitoring even with type > >II tapes, I mean that I have no more to cheat in dolby level and this even > >with 15 > >kHz set on 0 dB !!! > > > >Now, an interesting tip for you Kannan, as for other CR-7 owners, I have to > >say > >that owning myself the CR-7 service.manual and like that deck is more > >recent than Dragon, I was coming to think interesting to take lessons on the > >CR-7 circuits over Dragon's ones. At least for the playback amp. > >It is from a long time now that I've replaced the constant voltage source in > >form of voltage follower op-amp (njm072) by the same that in CR-7, namely > >4558. What leads me to do so was more the studying of the njm072 data sheet, > >(which notice it could cause oscillation in voltage follower applications), > >than deep conviction, because the 4558 is 15 times less fast than the > >previous one and is more noisy too. So I do it. At that time the originals > >signal chemical caps where on place and I do not feel a great change. > >(metallized film now...Killer!) > > > >As in my previous mail I was complaining about "dull" sound in replay, I > >found at last the problem. > >I throw out the 4558 and put instead a OP-2134. > >This opamp does have interesting spec's for this purpose which require to > >feed ultra-noiseless DC to the input fets with speed. > >[8 nV/Hz square root ]noise figure and ultra low output impedance namely > >0.0004 Ohms in DC region to 0.02 Ohms for 20 kHz in V. follower.+ having 135 > >dB separation between both channels with 20 V/us SR, great PSRR. I thought > >about 5532 wich have 4 dB lesser noise but its data sheet ask to put in > >serie 1k resistor to its input so I refrained me to do it. > > > >The sound quality is now excellent, far more perspective & transparency, > >soundstage structure, details, the nuances of the bass are amazing even in > >complex messages all these points with nuances in dynamics , it means also > >the masking effect exists no more. And the noise is now neutral, flat and > >very low. > > > > Let me invite you to replace the IC 302 in your CR-7 playback amp by > >OP-2134 or > >better if you find some, it will be farther superior than with 4558 in all > >regards, and you can take advantage to throw out C141/C241 100 pF cap to > >improve slew rate and reduce coloration. In addition, after the first > >audition, you can bypass C304 with i.e 470 uF as well with several low value > >film cap each of different (decreasing)values (reducing ESL of each ones) > >leading to feed into follower opamp lesser noise. > >I place that type because I've already replaced all play opamp by this one, > >like that, as in the Dragon original design, all op amps are matched in slew > >rate & temperature drift. In fact to my eyes (ears) OP-2134 is better suited > >for concrete demands as strict precision parameters than for audio > >amplification, this one have a fancy in the medium in amplification... > > > >To return on Bias trap subject, the values you measured were useful to me, > >thank you! > >With 9 V ac bias on rec head, bias leakage is on > >TP103 : 727 mV > >TP203 : 258 mV > > Left channel needs to be readjusted, 9 dB difference is huge! I will try > >to reduce it with the trap coil, if I cannot get lower value, I will like > >you search for a dead cap. > >Ever with 9 Volts bias on rec head, I measure with rec/replay on a TDK MA > >+4 dB (-16 dB) for 15 kHz on TP101/201, is it the case for you ? > >I guess the identical HF levels I get with the same bias level on both > >channels shows me that my peaking coils are perfectly adjusted. > >I will check it later. > > > >Best regards, > > Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 18:51:40 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:51:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem Message-ID: Ron, In my Dragon, as you suggested in a earlier mail, I have bypassed together the power pins of some op-amps with nanoFarad range film cap. The results are very audilbles in high frequencies and they depend to the chosen value and the strategic placement, and to bypass all amps sound as good as shit! as in coocking, you must limit the doses (I notice a sort of compression then---in both cases in fact ¦o). I have try 6.8 nF and 3.3 nF. (terephtalate). With 6.8 nF the high medium tend to be hissing when I put this value on the final opamp, so it was the only one which I put a 3.3 nF bypass cap on. I am curious about how to determinate the good bypass cap value, by ear or there is a formula ? as you were recommended 4.7 nF... (I have not yet this value) I imaginate something (the result from this way seems right): you take the opamp current consumption (~6 mA *2 -V+,V-- = 12 mA), the voltage supplies (24 V) you get an equivalent resistance = 2 kOhm. The frequency (fc) where the sort of power inertia is :(isn't it of what it return ?) fc = 1/[2pi * rc] ----> 1/[2pi * 2 kOhm*4.7 nF] = 17'000 Hz for a improvement at 20'000 Hz (f); c = 1/[2pi * fr] -----> 1/[2pi*20 kHz*2 kOhm] = 3.97 nF Thanks to make light ! Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > > The OP-275 was designed for high-end audio applications > and, as such, should provide better performance that any > general purpose op-amp. However, the $64,000 question is, > is the improvement theoretical, finite but very small, or > easily noticeable. Because I was considering tweaking my > CR-7 (by, among other things, upgrading op-amps), I > conducted some fairly time consuming listening tests. My > conclusion was that the difference was finite, but very > small. This means, it will probably be audible only on > specific program material, and only on A-B comparisons. > IOW, it was probably not worthwhile to do. > > At the time, I posted the results and, like you, asking > for the group collective wisdom. There was nothing in > the meager responses to suggest my conclusion was > erroneous. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jun 18 19:56:58 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:56:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! In-Reply-To: <3B2E27DD.456C46A@concentric.net> Message-ID: Though I'm inexperienced with this stuff...the transport in this machine looks of very high quality...and it does have digital outs....so it could be used as a transport down the road. The thing I am wondering is..why the op amp then the tube THEN another op amp? Is there some reason for the latter op amp..any? Anyhoo...I did order the laser and will let you guys know how that goes. Thanks again for everyones help and opinions...very much appreciated! Alex > I have already posted an opinion of tube line stages > in CD players before and was apprehensive of repeating, > not wishing to offend anyone. As far as I am concerned, > this guy is right on the money. The only reason for > including the tubes in there was Marketing -- to attract > the tube aficionados, that often have no idea what > tubes do, but are convinced that 'tubes are better'. > > Incorporating unnecessary tubes is an old trick. I > still remember an old Emerson table radio model, that > used two 6AU6s (dual diode/triode). One had the diodes > grounded and the other had the triode grounded. When I > asked their Chief Engineer why they did this, he said > that 9 tube radios fetched a higher price than 8 tube > radios... > > As to your problem -- barring an intermittent supply > problem, it looks like a flaky laser. Unfortunately, > intermittent problems can be very elusive. I wish > you luck, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 20:14:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:14:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> Carl, Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 mics or the power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's website, but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious that it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No problem if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the schematic on the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back mysteriously transformed into ribbon mics!=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Stephen: > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a pair of > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair of ck1 > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as those had > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the c451 > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated capsules. > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they are > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom DC power > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the power) > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you can look > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can take these > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or better. I > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing again....). > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I have lost > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break down > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > Regards > > carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for > any > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even > the > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the > B&W's > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a > while > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both felt > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the lot, > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few > years, > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The only > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the > last > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or so > > retail & are shockingly good. > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate > the > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's > can > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet & > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the > woofer > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone sags > & > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, at > > least much. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. > But > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak > system?! > > > If > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > > the > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 20:17:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:17:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <004101c0f7cf$38727510$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0c3701c0f822$ec776cc0$973442cf@sank1> Mostly, I have sold my speakers locally & to remote clients that I've shipped the "demo pair" to for evaluation. Don't yet have any actual dealers. The demos are in Georgia at the moment, but I can arrange for them to go to you next if you are seriously interested. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > Also, where can I audition a pair of these little speakers? If they are as > good as you say they are I might just off my Thiels and run these with a > decent subwoofer. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for > any > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even > the > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the > B&W's > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a > while > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both felt > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the lot, > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few > years, > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The only > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the > last > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or so > > retail & are shockingly good. > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate > the > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's > can > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet & > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the > woofer > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone sags > & > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, at > > least much. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. > But > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your three > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak > system?! > > > If > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding in > > the > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 20:26:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:26:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sank does speakers!!?? References: <20010618130705.86426.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c3f01c0f824$3f1c3c20$973442cf@sank1> Jeff, Please note the name of my company, below.=) I quite firmly believe that almost any speaker that is superb for 2 channel audio will also excel in home theater mode, provided that it is able to be used suitably for center channel. When my little guys are used for HT, I build a mini, sideways version of the big Tachyons for the cneter, i.e., about a 40 percent taller Neutrino, with an extra woofer above the tweeter, then laid on it's side. Such a sideways D'Appolito configuration makes about as good a center channel as you can get. Of course, the problem then becomes affording 5.1 channel electronics worthy of the speakers.=) If your TD700 has the mech problem that I suspect it does, I already have the needed part on order for a TD500 I have in currently. I'll make sure I save one for you. I'll have to decline handling the Alpine, I'm afraid. Not a good unit at all. And I do not have access to Alpine parts or diagrams in any convenient way. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Yee" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sank does speakers!!?? > Stephen, > > Must have missed something...didn't realize you were > building speakers nowadays!! When did you start?? > How are you Neutrino's for home theater??? I'm > currently using a pair of B&W matrix2's (Van Denhul > wiring...hehe) with an B&W HTM (Monster :( wiring). > > You know, if I ever get back to the states where I'm > keeping a lot of my equipment, I have a TD-700 for you > to look at that I've been hanging onto. It ejects the > tape whenever one is inserted for no reason. > > I also have a Alpine 7909 CD player (indash single CD > Auto player) that was really something in its day. > Although it is now close to 10 years old. Would you > be interested in taking a look at that piece as well? > It does not track CD's at all, but controls my changer > fine. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > --- Stephen Sank wrote: > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best > > speakers available for any > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & > > small speakers side by > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last > > Matrix 801, 802 & even the > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my > > speakers, all of the B&W's > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to > > my big ones for a while > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer > > one time, we both felt > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with > > fluid, due to how utterly > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were > > the best of the lot, > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had > > the definite > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got > > complex & loud. > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other > > speakers in the last few years, > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other > > than on B&W. The only > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I > > could live with, in the last > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not > > "i"), Apogee Slant > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it > > or not, the smallest > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, > > which are only $1k or so > > retail & are shockingly good. > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't > > much like them. Hate the > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. > > The old KEF 105.2's can > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from > > the woofer cabinet & > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you > > have to rotate the woofer > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, > > under-supported cone sags & > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any > > other KEF models, at > > least much. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're > > not a Bose fan also. But > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll > > like to know your three > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for > > sale > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch > > speakers with a Nak system?! > > > If > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would > > have been bleeding in > > the > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his > > house. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > > Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for > > sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak > > turntable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 20:29:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:29:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <0c4501c0f824$ac63b2e0$973442cf@sank1> Matyas, I am quite sure you will have considerably better results if you switch to polystyrene bypass caps. I've found that even 470pf on each chip makes a an excellent improvement, and with no negatives even when you do every chip. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > Ron, > In my Dragon, as you suggested in a earlier mail, I have bypassed together > the power pins of some op-amps with nanoFarad range film cap. > The results are very audilbles in high frequencies and they depend to the > chosen value and the strategic placement, and to bypass all amps sound as > good as shit! as in coocking, you must limit the doses (I notice a sort of > compression then---in both cases in fact �o). I have try 6.8 nF and 3.3 nF. > (terephtalate). > > With 6.8 nF the high medium tend to be hissing when I put this value on the > final opamp, so it was the only one which I put a 3.3 nF bypass cap on. > > I am curious about how to determinate the good bypass cap value, by ear or > there is a formula ? as you were recommended 4.7 nF... (I have not yet > this value) > I imaginate something (the result from this way seems right): you take the > opamp current consumption (~6 mA *2 -V+,V-- = 12 mA), the voltage supplies > (24 V) you get an equivalent resistance = 2 kOhm. > The frequency (fc) where the sort of power inertia is :(isn't it of what it > return ?) > fc = 1/[2pi * rc] ----> 1/[2pi * 2 kOhm*4.7 nF] = 17'000 Hz > > for a improvement at 20'000 Hz (f); > c = 1/[2pi * fr] -----> 1/[2pi*20 kHz*2 kOhm] = 3.97 nF > > Thanks to make light ! > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > > > > The OP-275 was designed for high-end audio applications > > and, as such, should provide better performance that any > > general purpose op-amp. However, the $64,000 question is, > > is the improvement theoretical, finite but very small, or > > easily noticeable. Because I was considering tweaking my > > CR-7 (by, among other things, upgrading op-amps), I > > conducted some fairly time consuming listening tests. My > > conclusion was that the difference was finite, but very > > small. This means, it will probably be audible only on > > specific program material, and only on A-B comparisons. > > IOW, it was probably not worthwhile to do. > > > > At the time, I posted the results and, like you, asking > > for the group collective wisdom. There was nothing in > > the meager responses to suggest my conclusion was > > erroneous. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 18 20:36:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:36:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: Message-ID: <0c5301c0f825$a0291820$973442cf@sank1> The transport is pretty crappy, actually. Trust me on that. You just apparently haven't yet seen a really nice transport. I do wish you would try out a Pioneer CLD-3080/95! It will blow the Lux out of the water & be a hundred times more reliable & a many times better transport(given coax out installation) for a DAC down the road. The first opamp stage is the sample&hold/LPF, for deglitching the DAC outputs. The tube is used as a cathode follower for that stage, then the next opamp is the actual line driver. Yes, you are 98-99 percent listening to a no-tube circuit. To further evidence the cosmetics/marketing ploy of the tube presence, consider that they sought out a tube with a filament that is exposed at the top going from one triode section to the other. The LV105/LV105u integrated amp also made equal use of the same tubes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! > Though I'm inexperienced with this stuff...the transport in this machine > looks of very high quality...and it does have digital outs....so it could be > used as a transport down the road. The thing I am wondering is..why the op > amp then the tube THEN another op amp? Is there some reason for the latter > op amp..any? Anyhoo...I did order the laser and will let you guys know how > that goes. Thanks again for everyones help and opinions...very much > appreciated! > > Alex > > > I have already posted an opinion of tube line stages > > in CD players before and was apprehensive of repeating, > > not wishing to offend anyone. As far as I am concerned, > > this guy is right on the money. The only reason for > > including the tubes in there was Marketing -- to attract > > the tube aficionados, that often have no idea what > > tubes do, but are convinced that 'tubes are better'. > > > > Incorporating unnecessary tubes is an old trick. I > > still remember an old Emerson table radio model, that > > used two 6AU6s (dual diode/triode). One had the diodes > > grounded and the other had the triode grounded. When I > > asked their Chief Engineer why they did this, he said > > that 9 tube radios fetched a higher price than 8 tube > > radios... > > > > As to your problem -- barring an intermittent supply > > problem, it looks like a flaky laser. Unfortunately, > > intermittent problems can be very elusive. I wish > > you luck, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 18 20:45:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:45:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: Message-ID: <3B2E4C32.A4E804E8@concentric.net> In addition to its Marketing value, the tubes provide some (I hope, not too much) even harmonic distortion, that many people characterize as 'warm sound' and actually enjoy. Even as a cathode follower, the output impedance is probably on the order of 100-200 ohms. The following op-amp (if well chosen) has no distortion to speak of, with an output impedance of 0.5 to 20 ohms. It also allows the use of a comparatively small coupling cap from the anode. You could say it corrects some of the shortcomings of the tube. The preceding op-amp provides gain. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > Though I'm inexperienced with this stuff...the transport in this machine > looks of very high quality...and it does have digital outs....so it could be > used as a transport down the road. The thing I am wondering is..why the op > amp then the tube THEN another op amp? Is there some reason for the latter > op amp..any? Anyhoo...I did order the laser and will let you guys know how > that goes. Thanks again for everyones help and opinions...very much > appreciated! > > Alex > > > I have already posted an opinion of tube line stages > > in CD players before and was apprehensive of repeating, > > not wishing to offend anyone. As far as I am concerned, > > this guy is right on the money. The only reason for > > including the tubes in there was Marketing -- to attract > > the tube aficionados, that often have no idea what > > tubes do, but are convinced that 'tubes are better'. > > > > Incorporating unnecessary tubes is an old trick. I > > still remember an old Emerson table radio model, that > > used two 6AU6s (dual diode/triode). One had the diodes > > grounded and the other had the triode grounded. When I > > asked their Chief Engineer why they did this, he said > > that 9 tube radios fetched a higher price than 8 tube > > radios... > > > > As to your problem -- barring an intermittent supply > > problem, it looks like a flaky laser. Unfortunately, > > intermittent problems can be very elusive. I wish > > you luck, > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 03:42:50 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> Try looking for Dredgetone Audio; think it is dredgetone.com or something like that. As for ribbon mics; heard dave grisman do a straight bluegrass gig (down home?) about ten years ago. They had one old ribbon mic in the center of the four guys singing and a little neumann mic on each acoustic instrument; the vocals were heaven. I don't know how long a set of ribbon mics would last in a high spl environment, though, before they shred? The c61 schematics are on the web in a couple of places. What I am looking for is for the mics and power supplies to be tested; frequency response, spl levels and distortion...that sort of thing. I also think the tubes are probably due for replacement. Let me get them from my exwife and we can talk about getting them to you. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > Carl, > Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 mics or the > power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's website, > but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious that > it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No problem > if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the schematic on > the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here > somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. > Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back mysteriously > transformed into ribbon mics!=0) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > Stephen: > > > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a pair of > > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair of ck1 > > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as those had > > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the c451 > > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated capsules. > > > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they are > > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom DC power > > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the power) > > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you can look > > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can take > these > > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or better. > I > > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing again....). > > > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I have > lost > > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break down > > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > > > Regards > > > > carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available for > > any > > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side by > > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & even > > the > > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the > > B&W's > > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a > > while > > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both > felt > > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how utterly > > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the > lot, > > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few > > years, > > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The > only > > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in the > > last > > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee Slant > > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the smallest > > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k or > so > > > retail & are shockingly good. > > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. Hate > > the > > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF 105.2's > > can > > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer cabinet > & > > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the > > woofer > > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone > sags > > & > > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, > at > > > least much. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "bigbear69" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan also. > > But > > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your > three > > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak > > system?! > > > > If > > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding > in > > > the > > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 19 04:12:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:12:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0cbd01c0f865$4209d5a0$973442cf@sank1> I am uniquely equipped for such mic testing. You have to get them from the ex-wife? Will a lawyer & a judge be involved? There are a number of ribbon mics that are suitable for high SPL, besides the Royer, which is a too-faithful clone of the old B&O ribbon mics, i.e., not natural sounding. The best is the RCA BK-5, which is a unidirectional ribbon which was specifically rated to handle a .45 caliber gunshot at four feet accross it's axis. I think Les Anderson, my dad's immediate predecessor, designed it, but it might have been Harry Olson. My dad designed the BK-10 variant of it, which was nearly a shotgun mic. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > Try looking for Dredgetone Audio; think it is dredgetone.com or something > like that. As for ribbon mics; heard dave grisman do a straight bluegrass > gig (down home?) about ten years ago. They had one old ribbon mic in the > center of the four guys singing and a little neumann mic on each acoustic > instrument; the vocals were heaven. I don't know how long a set of ribbon > mics would last in a high spl environment, though, before they shred? > > The c61 schematics are on the web in a couple of places. What I am looking > for is for the mics and power supplies to be tested; frequency response, spl > levels and distortion...that sort of thing. I also think the tubes are > probably due for replacement. > > Let me get them from my exwife and we can talk about getting them to you. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > Carl, > > Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 mics or > the > > power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's > website, > > but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious that > > it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No > problem > > if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the schematic on > > the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here > > somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. > > Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back mysteriously > > transformed into ribbon mics!=0) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > Stephen: > > > > > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a pair of > > > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair of > ck1 > > > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as those had > > > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the c451 > > > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated > capsules. > > > > > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they are > > > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom DC > power > > > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the power) > > > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you can > look > > > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can take > > these > > > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or better. > > I > > > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing > again....). > > > > > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I have > > lost > > > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break > down > > > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available > for > > > any > > > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers side > by > > > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & > even > > > the > > > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of the > > > B&W's > > > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for a > > > while > > > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we both > > felt > > > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how > utterly > > > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the > > lot, > > > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last few > > > years, > > > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. The > > only > > > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in > the > > > last > > > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee > Slant > > > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the > smallest > > > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k > or > > so > > > > retail & are shockingly good. > > > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. > Hate > > > the > > > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF > 105.2's > > > can > > > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer > cabinet > > & > > > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the > > > woofer > > > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone > > sags > > > & > > > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF models, > > at > > > > least much. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "bigbear69" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan > also. > > > But > > > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your > > three > > > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak > > > system?! > > > > > If > > > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been bleeding > > in > > > > the > > > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247206037 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetZero Platinum > > > > > No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access > > > > > Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! > > > > > http://www.netzero.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 19 04:14:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:14:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh Message-ID: <0cc701c0f865$81e92720$973442cf@sank1> The PA-7 is a really nice amp, but it ain't THAT nice!: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247872999 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 04:38:20 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:38:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh In-Reply-To: <0cc701c0f865$81e92720$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Is the PA-7 really a class A amp? $2,700...that dude is smoking something. Alex > The PA-7 is a really nice amp, but it ain't THAT nice!: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247872999 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 19 05:00:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:00:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh References: Message-ID: <0cd301c0f86c$0ae4d820$973442cf@sank1> Smoking crack, I think. The PA-7 is high-bias AB. Not actually class A. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh > Is the PA-7 really a class A amp? $2,700...that dude is smoking something. > > Alex > > > The PA-7 is a really nice amp, but it ain't THAT nice!: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247872999 > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 06:14:03 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:14:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> <0cbd01c0f865$4209d5a0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c0f876$478df950$9865fea9@D9569601> What are the dimensions of one of these high spl ribbon microphones? I've been told that a ribbon mic is simply the most natural sounding. Will a mic such as this compare with a vintage U87? Or a pair of schoeps? No lawyers; just left the briefcase with my stuff in it a few months back when picking up my kids. Since I've not used the mics in over a year I've not had much motivation to remember to pick them up. What can be done to improve the c61's? Better wiring? New matched tubes? Or do you simply ensure they meet spec and use best possible components when repairing? Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > I am uniquely equipped for such mic testing. You have to get them from the > ex-wife? Will a lawyer & a judge be involved? > There are a number of ribbon mics that are suitable for high SPL, besides > the Royer, which is a too-faithful clone of the old B&O ribbon mics, i.e., > not natural sounding. The best is the RCA BK-5, which is a unidirectional > ribbon which was specifically rated to handle a .45 caliber gunshot at four > feet accross it's axis. I think Les Anderson, my dad's immediate > predecessor, designed it, but it might have been Harry Olson. My dad > designed the BK-10 variant of it, which was nearly a shotgun mic. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > Try looking for Dredgetone Audio; think it is dredgetone.com or something > > like that. As for ribbon mics; heard dave grisman do a straight bluegrass > > gig (down home?) about ten years ago. They had one old ribbon mic in the > > center of the four guys singing and a little neumann mic on each acoustic > > instrument; the vocals were heaven. I don't know how long a set of ribbon > > mics would last in a high spl environment, though, before they shred? > > > > The c61 schematics are on the web in a couple of places. What I am > looking > > for is for the mics and power supplies to be tested; frequency response, > spl > > levels and distortion...that sort of thing. I also think the tubes are > > probably due for replacement. > > > > Let me get them from my exwife and we can talk about getting them to you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > Carl, > > > Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 mics or > > the > > > power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's > > website, > > > but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious that > > > it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No > > problem > > > if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the schematic > on > > > the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here > > > somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. > > > Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back mysteriously > > > transformed into ribbon mics!=0) > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > Stephen: > > > > > > > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a pair > of > > > > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair of > > ck1 > > > > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as those > had > > > > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the c451 > > > > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated > > capsules. > > > > > > > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they are > > > > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom DC > > power > > > > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the > power) > > > > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you can > > look > > > > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can take > > > these > > > > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or > better. > > > I > > > > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing > > again....). > > > > > > > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I > have > > > lost > > > > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break > > down > > > > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers available > > for > > > > any > > > > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > > > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers > side > > by > > > > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & > > even > > > > the > > > > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of > the > > > > B&W's > > > > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones for > a > > > > while > > > > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we > both > > > felt > > > > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how > > utterly > > > > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of the > > > lot, > > > > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > > > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > > > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last > few > > > > years, > > > > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. > The > > > only > > > > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, in > > the > > > > last > > > > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee > > Slant > > > > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the > > smallest > > > > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only $1k > > or > > > so > > > > > retail & are shockingly good. > > > > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. > > Hate > > > > the > > > > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF > > 105.2's > > > > can > > > > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer > > cabinet > > > & > > > > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate the > > > > woofer > > > > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported cone > > > sags > > > > & > > > > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF > models, > > > at > > > > > least much. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "bigbear69" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan > > also. > > > > But > > > > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know your > > > three > > > > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a Nak > > > > system?! > > > > > > If > > > > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been > bleeding > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 06:15:50 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:15:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh References: Message-ID: <001d01c0f876$87b72510$9865fea9@D9569601> For that kind of money I'll take a used Levinson anyday; one of the few american made products I would purchase of any consequence. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Here's one good for a laugh > Is the PA-7 really a class A amp? $2,700...that dude is smoking something. > > Alex > > > The PA-7 is a really nice amp, but it ain't THAT nice!: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247872999 > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 19 06:57:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:57:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> <0cbd01c0f865$4209d5a0$973442cf@sank1> <000701c0f876$478df950$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0d0101c0f87c$4d6b88a0$973442cf@sank1> The mic on the right at the top of my home page is a BK-5. About 3/4 the size of a U-47, unless you put on the big ball windscreen. I have the datasheets on the mic literature page of my site. And I'll take a BK-5 over a U47 any day, for just about any purpose. It's my second favorite mic, under the BK-11 & over the 44-BX & 77-DX. To my ears, no mic sounds as natural as a good ribbon mic. On the C-61, I can certainly improve upon stock at least a fair amount. I can give you specific upgrade options once I've had a look at them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > What are the dimensions of one of these high spl ribbon microphones? I've > been told that a ribbon mic is simply the most natural sounding. Will a mic > such as this compare with a vintage U87? Or a pair of schoeps? > > No lawyers; just left the briefcase with my stuff in it a few months back > when picking up my kids. Since I've not used the mics in over a year I've > not had much motivation to remember to pick them up. > > What can be done to improve the c61's? Better wiring? New matched tubes? > Or do you simply ensure they meet spec and use best possible components when > repairing? > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > I am uniquely equipped for such mic testing. You have to get them from > the > > ex-wife? Will a lawyer & a judge be involved? > > There are a number of ribbon mics that are suitable for high SPL, besides > > the Royer, which is a too-faithful clone of the old B&O ribbon mics, i.e., > > not natural sounding. The best is the RCA BK-5, which is a unidirectional > > ribbon which was specifically rated to handle a .45 caliber gunshot at > four > > feet accross it's axis. I think Les Anderson, my dad's immediate > > predecessor, designed it, but it might have been Harry Olson. My dad > > designed the BK-10 variant of it, which was nearly a shotgun mic. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > Try looking for Dredgetone Audio; think it is dredgetone.com or > something > > > like that. As for ribbon mics; heard dave grisman do a straight > bluegrass > > > gig (down home?) about ten years ago. They had one old ribbon mic in > the > > > center of the four guys singing and a little neumann mic on each > acoustic > > > instrument; the vocals were heaven. I don't know how long a set of > ribbon > > > mics would last in a high spl environment, though, before they shred? > > > > > > The c61 schematics are on the web in a couple of places. What I am > > looking > > > for is for the mics and power supplies to be tested; frequency response, > > spl > > > levels and distortion...that sort of thing. I also think the tubes are > > > probably due for replacement. > > > > > > Let me get them from my exwife and we can talk about getting them to > you. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > > > > Carl, > > > > Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 mics > or > > > the > > > > power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's > > > website, > > > > but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious > that > > > > it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No > > > problem > > > > if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the schematic > > on > > > > the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here > > > > somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. > > > > Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back mysteriously > > > > transformed into ribbon mics!=0) > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen: > > > > > > > > > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a > pair > > of > > > > > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair > of > > > ck1 > > > > > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as those > > had > > > > > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the > c451 > > > > > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated > > > capsules. > > > > > > > > > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they > are > > > > > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom DC > > > power > > > > > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the > > power) > > > > > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you > can > > > look > > > > > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can > take > > > > these > > > > > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or > > better. > > > > I > > > > > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing > > > again....). > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I > > have > > > > lost > > > > > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to break > > > down > > > > > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > carl > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers > available > > > for > > > > > any > > > > > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > > > > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers > > side > > > by > > > > > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 & > > > even > > > > > the > > > > > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all of > > the > > > > > B&W's > > > > > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones > for > > a > > > > > while > > > > > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we > > both > > > > felt > > > > > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how > > > utterly > > > > > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of > the > > > > lot, > > > > > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > > > > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & loud. > > > > > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the last > > few > > > > > years, > > > > > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. > > The > > > > only > > > > > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, > in > > > the > > > > > last > > > > > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), Apogee > > > Slant > > > > > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the > > > smallest > > > > > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only > $1k > > > or > > > > so > > > > > > retail & are shockingly good. > > > > > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like them. > > > Hate > > > > > the > > > > > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF > > > 105.2's > > > > > can > > > > > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer > > > cabinet > > > > & > > > > > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate > the > > > > > woofer > > > > > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported > cone > > > > sags > > > > > & > > > > > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF > > models, > > > > at > > > > > > least much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "bigbear69" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose fan > > > also. > > > > > But > > > > > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know > your > > > > three > > > > > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a > Nak > > > > > system?! > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been > > bleeding > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 19 15:31:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:31:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> <0cbd01c0f865$4209d5a0$973442cf@sank1> <000701c0f876$478df950$9865fea9@D9569601> <0d0101c0f87c$4d6b88a0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006c01c0f8c4$1b3a2dd0$9865fea9@D9569601> Thank you! I'll be in touch when I get them back. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > The mic on the right at the top of my home page is a BK-5. About 3/4 the > size of a U-47, unless you put on the big ball windscreen. I have the > datasheets on the mic literature page of my site. And I'll take a BK-5 over > a U47 any day, for just about any purpose. It's my second favorite mic, > under the BK-11 & over the 44-BX & 77-DX. To my ears, no mic sounds as > natural as a good ribbon mic. > On the C-61, I can certainly improve upon stock at least a fair amount. I > can give you specific upgrade options once I've had a look at them. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > What are the dimensions of one of these high spl ribbon microphones? I've > > been told that a ribbon mic is simply the most natural sounding. Will a > mic > > such as this compare with a vintage U87? Or a pair of schoeps? > > > > No lawyers; just left the briefcase with my stuff in it a few months back > > when picking up my kids. Since I've not used the mics in over a year I've > > not had much motivation to remember to pick them up. > > > > What can be done to improve the c61's? Better wiring? New matched tubes? > > Or do you simply ensure they meet spec and use best possible components > when > > repairing? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > I am uniquely equipped for such mic testing. You have to get them from > > the > > > ex-wife? Will a lawyer & a judge be involved? > > > There are a number of ribbon mics that are suitable for high SPL, > besides > > > the Royer, which is a too-faithful clone of the old B&O ribbon mics, > i.e., > > > not natural sounding. The best is the RCA BK-5, which is a > unidirectional > > > ribbon which was specifically rated to handle a .45 caliber gunshot at > > four > > > feet accross it's axis. I think Les Anderson, my dad's immediate > > > predecessor, designed it, but it might have been Harry Olson. My dad > > > designed the BK-10 variant of it, which was nearly a shotgun mic. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:42 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > > > > Try looking for Dredgetone Audio; think it is dredgetone.com or > > something > > > > like that. As for ribbon mics; heard dave grisman do a straight > > bluegrass > > > > gig (down home?) about ten years ago. They had one old ribbon mic in > > the > > > > center of the four guys singing and a little neumann mic on each > > acoustic > > > > instrument; the vocals were heaven. I don't know how long a set of > > ribbon > > > > mics would last in a high spl environment, though, before they shred? > > > > > > > > The c61 schematics are on the web in a couple of places. What I am > > > looking > > > > for is for the mics and power supplies to be tested; frequency > response, > > > spl > > > > levels and distortion...that sort of thing. I also think the tubes > are > > > > probably due for replacement. > > > > > > > > Let me get them from my exwife and we can talk about getting them to > > you. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl, > > > > > Should be no problem for me to take care of whatever the C61 > mics > > or > > > > the > > > > > power supplies need. I tried a bit of searching for John Joseph's > > > > website, > > > > > but his name is way too "generic", so it became immediately obvious > > that > > > > > it's a needle in a haystack situation. Perhaps you can find it. No > > > > problem > > > > > if you can't though, since I almost certainly won't need the > schematic > > > on > > > > > the supplies. I think I have the schematics on the C61 around here > > > > > somewhere. If not, I can get them easily. > > > > > Of course, you realise that your C61's may come back > mysteriously > > > > > transformed into ribbon mics!=0) > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:10 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen: > > > > > > > > > > > > I may have asked you already; if so please forgive me. I have a > > pair > > > of > > > > > > early 1940's AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers. ADG made me a pair > > of > > > > ck1 > > > > > > capsules (from spare parts lying around so Karl of AKG said as > those > > > had > > > > > > been discontinued for some years as they were originally for the > > c451 > > > > > > preamp) for the c61's as I do not have the original gold plated > > > > capsules. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had these mics for close to ten years and I don't think they > > are > > > > > > working quite to spec but am not sure. I had a couple of custom > DC > > > > power > > > > > > supplies (120v, custom circuit board w/transformer to step up the > > > power) > > > > > > made the John Joseph of Berkeley (he has a website out there; you > > can > > > > look > > > > > > at the power supplies there). I am looking for a person that can > > take > > > > > these > > > > > > mics and the schematics and basically make them sing as new...or > > > better. > > > > > I > > > > > > want to start making stealth tapes again (Tony Rice is singing > > > > again....). > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, can you help me out or steer me in the right direction? I > > > have > > > > > lost > > > > > > all of my old connections in this arena. I am almost ready to > break > > > > down > > > > > > and spend lots of money on new Scheops mics! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:42 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, heck, if I didn't think mine were the best speakers > > available > > > > for > > > > > > any > > > > > > > raional price range, I wouldn't be building them!=) > > > > > > > As objectively as I can though- I've had my big & small speakers > > > side > > > > by > > > > > > > side with both the Nautilus 801 & 802 & the last Matrix 801, 802 > & > > > > even > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 800's, on a variety of equipment. Compared to my speakers, all > of > > > the > > > > > > B&W's > > > > > > > sounded muddled, hazy & bloated. After listening to my big ones > > for > > > a > > > > > > while > > > > > > > & then switching back to the N801's with a customer one time, we > > > both > > > > > felt > > > > > > > like our ears had suddenly become clogged with fluid, due to how > > > > utterly > > > > > > > congested the N801's sounded. The Matrix 800's were the best of > > the > > > > > lot, > > > > > > > with not very much muddledness, but they still had the definite > > > > > > > characteristic of "fogging up" when the music got complex & > loud. > > > > > > > I haven't gotten out to listen to many other speakers in the > last > > > few > > > > > > years, > > > > > > > I must admit, so my opinions are a bit dated, other than on B&W. > > > The > > > > > only > > > > > > > other speakers I have heard besides mine that I could live with, > > in > > > > the > > > > > > last > > > > > > > five or so years, have been the PSB Stratus Gold(not "i"), > Apogee > > > > Slant > > > > > > > 6(way discontinued, unfortunately), and, believe it or not, the > > > > smallest > > > > > > > McIntosh speakers, can't recall the model number, which are only > > $1k > > > > or > > > > > so > > > > > > > retail & are shockingly good. > > > > > > > I've heard the JMLabs Utopias sound OK, but don't much like > them. > > > > Hate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > current Thiels, and the old ones, for that matter. The old KEF > > > > 105.2's > > > > > > can > > > > > > > sound really good if you remove the foam blocks from the woofer > > > > cabinet > > > > > & > > > > > > > restuff with polyester fiberfill. Of course, you have to rotate > > the > > > > > > woofer > > > > > > > once or twice a year, otherwise the overweight, under-supported > > cone > > > > > sags > > > > > > & > > > > > > > rubs the magnet. Never liked the 104 series, or any other KEF > > > models, > > > > > at > > > > > > > least much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "bigbear69" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting comment. Glad to know Stephan you're not a Bose > fan > > > > also. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > can you or any other Nakers do me a favour? I'll like to know > > your > > > > > three > > > > > > > > favorite types of speakers and their models. Thanks. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:59 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of deaf lunatic would use Klipsch speakers with a > > Nak > > > > > > system?! > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > the guy had used a CA-7 or a CA-5II, ears would have been > > > bleeding > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > whole neighborhood, instead of just in his house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:49 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nice Nakamichi system for sale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out, and there's even a Nak turntable! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jun 19 17:44:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:44:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd player problem References: Message-ID: <3B2F7359.C826E5B9@concentric.net> Matyas wrote: > > Ron, > In my Dragon, as you suggested in a earlier mail, I have bypassed together > the power pins of some op-amps with nanoFarad range film cap. I am not sure what you mean by 'bypassed together'. I assume you connected a film cap between each supply pin and ground? > The results are very audilbles in high frequencies and they depend to the > chosen value and the strategic placement, and to bypass all amps sound as > good as shit! as in coocking, you must limit the doses (I notice a sort of > compression then---in both cases in fact ¦o). I have try 6.8 nF and 3.3 nF. > (terephtalate). > > With 6.8 nF the high medium tend to be hissing when I put this value on the > final opamp, so it was the only one which I put a 3.3 nF bypass cap on. > > I am curious about how to determinate the good bypass cap value, by ear or > there is a formula ? as you were recommended 4.7 nF... (I have not yet > this value) > I imaginate something (the result from this way seems right): you take the > opamp current consumption (~6 mA *2 -V+,V-- = 12 mA), the voltage supplies > (24 V) you get an equivalent resistance = 2 kOhm. There are two reasons for supply decoupling. The first is to supply the op-amp with juice on current peaks. For that, op-amp current consumption is relevant. The second purpose is to supply the op-amp from zero impedance + and - rails, for stability. Electrolytic caps have a higher ESR as frequency increases, causing increased distortion and muddy sound. I don't think the op-amp current consumption is directly relevant to this issue. I think the value of the bypass film cap is not critical. It should be large enough to provide very low impedance, at the frequency where the electrolytic caps impedance starts to increase. It should be small enough so that it's own inductance is still very low at 20KHz and above. Because the PCB topology affects the inductance of the supply leads, I don't think there is an exact formula for calculating the value. I have found that the best filter caps are tantalums, located fairly close to the op-amp pins, plus 3.3nF to 6.8nF polypropylene caps, with very short leads and right at the opamp leads, in parallel. In general, 4.7nF have worked well for me. Sometimes, the filter caps and PCB topology were good enough so that adding the film cap had no audible effect. Some other times, it audibly cleaned up the sound, even with a general purpose chips. It never made a *huge* difference. I must admit that my experience is quite dated and it's not in upgrading existing equipment, but mostly in building new stuff from scratch. Needless to say, YMMV. -- Ron > The frequency (fc) where the sort of power inertia is :(isn't it of what it > return ?) > fc = 1/[2pi * rc] ----> 1/[2pi * 2 kOhm*4.7 nF] = 17'000 Hz > > for a improvement at 20'000 Hz (f); > c = 1/[2pi * fr] -----> 1/[2pi*20 kHz*2 kOhm] = 3.97 nF > > Thanks to make light ! > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd player problem > > > > > The OP-275 was designed for high-end audio applications > > and, as such, should provide better performance that any > > general purpose op-amp. However, the $64,000 question is, > > is the improvement theoretical, finite but very small, or > > easily noticeable. Because I was considering tweaking my > > CR-7 (by, among other things, upgrading op-amps), I > > conducted some fairly time consuming listening tests. My > > conclusion was that the difference was finite, but very > > small. This means, it will probably be audible only on > > specific program material, and only on A-B comparisons. > > IOW, it was probably not worthwhile to do. > > > > At the time, I posted the results and, like you, asking > > for the group collective wisdom. There was nothing in > > the meager responses to suggest my conclusion was > > erroneous. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Wed Jun 20 00:34:14 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:34:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC: Vintage Automobile Record Player Message-ID: <116.83dcc5.28612d66@aol.com> Group: Check out the link below to an article on automobile record players from the 1950's. I though it was really cool read. Analog all the way! http://ookworld.com/hiwayhifi.html Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ARWII at aol.com Wed Jun 20 00:39:28 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:39:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sanks Address and phone No. Message-ID: <22.17aaf51c.28612ea0@aol.com> Does anyone have them. We had a serious hard disk problem and may have lost all earlier posts containing them. Any help would be greatly appreciated by this Nakaphile. Ray Wheelock ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Wed Jun 20 00:53:26 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:53:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics References: <001001c0f74b$423ee580$c28a9a40@compaq> <0b7a01c0f765$a11a8040$973442cf@sank1> <010901c0f7c5$d0ab9e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <0c3101c0f822$964d51c0$973442cf@sank1> <01c901c0f861$275ee320$9865fea9@D9569601> <0cbd01c0f865$4209d5a0$973442cf@sank1> <000701c0f876$478df950$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <000c01c0f912$a69da250$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speakers bleed ears, C61 mics > What are the dimensions of one of these high spl ribbon microphones? I've > been told that a ribbon mic is simply the most natural sounding. Will a mic > such as this compare with a vintage U87? Or a pair of schoeps? > Old technique from 50 years ago. New Neumann and Schoeps are much better than the vintage ones. At http://www.mercenary.com/bydavsatfrom.html is a good story about the obsolete types. Just nostalgia.... Nothing wrong with that, but a new good condenser has better quality. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 00:35:05 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:35:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks References: <3B2F7359.C826E5B9@concentric.net> Message-ID: Ron, Stefen Thanks Guys, > I am not sure what you mean by 'bypassed together'. I > assume you connected a film cap between each supply > pin and ground? > No, I mean that I have (by misunderstanding your tip) connected V+ and V- together, not with the ground, I have seen this decoupling way in my own AMC CD player, I mean it is an original work done at factory, not mine. It brings interesting results, in this way to do, the cap' value is determinant. Stephen, does polystyrene cap are they identified by code as MKP for polypropylene? Are they known under an other name ? I am affraid that these caps are not so easy to find there. The lead section should also be less or equal to 0.6 mm to be free from skin effect in audible frequencies. ¦ > 4. Bypass power pins of the head and Dolby op-amps with ¦ > 4.7nF polypropylene caps. Same on other signal path ¦ > op-amps if space permits. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 00:43:45 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:43:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: <0c5301c0f825$a0291820$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I have a french L'AUDIOPHILE mag', in which D105u is review. Dont forget there is after the tubes, 2 transformers which bring as any transformers their own coloration & THD, at least you get the trafo sound ! ¦o) I am absolutely not amazed by the chosen design, as in my AMC CD player (CDM-7) shows the same thing DAC->lpf op-amp-> Triode in cathode follower(no gain)->balancing transformer ->XLR. Z out = 200 Ohms Are you really sure that Luxman put an op-amp after the trafo , which trafo logically can be a "good" line driver ? when you think about their price...it is strange and paradoxical!!! If Lux found monney to save in this design, the trafos should be for sure crappy ones. I wonder if any brand have yet chose tube as amplifier just after the DAC. Audio Research, Sonic Frontiers may be ? I was enjoying the CDM-7's sound as far as I owned Bose speakers (AM5 as you too Kannan). Its tonal balance is not quite perfect. the sound is not as fast as I dream of, but have good "feeling"... not more. AM5 were complementary to it. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 20 01:23:35 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:23:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sanks Address and phone No. In-Reply-To: <22.17aaf51c.28612ea0@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c0f916$dc89f7c0$c53a883e@a4s1s2> Stephen Sank, Owner Champlain Valley Speaker Company http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ] phone/fax 505-296-8795 - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 02:30:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:30:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: <0c5301c0f825$a0291820$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <0d7201c0f920$37d5c4c0$973442cf@sank1> The D-105u Luxman is a later & different model than the D-105, but neither one has transformers in the signal path. The review is in error, unless it was a special balanced output version I have not seen. On the other hand, if there is a crappy way to do something, AMC will do it! As far as so-called "high-end" audio makers go, AMC is among the worst in construction, parts & design quality. Abominable junk. I have never seen a piece of AMC gear that I could even remotely recommend. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! > I have a french L'AUDIOPHILE mag', in which D105u is review. Dont forget > there is after the tubes, 2 transformers which bring as any transformers > their own coloration & THD, at least you get the trafo sound ! �o) > > I am absolutely not amazed by the chosen design, as in my AMC CD player > (CDM-7) shows the same thing DAC->lpf op-amp-> Triode in cathode follower(no > gain)->balancing transformer ->XLR. Z out = 200 Ohms > Are you really sure that Luxman put an op-amp after the trafo , which trafo > logically can be a "good" line driver ? when you think about their > price...it > is strange and paradoxical!!! > If Lux found monney to save in this design, the trafos should be for sure > crappy ones. > I wonder if any brand have yet chose tube as amplifier just after the DAC. > Audio Research, Sonic Frontiers may be ? > > I was enjoying the CDM-7's sound as far as I owned Bose speakers (AM5 as you > too Kannan). > Its tonal balance is not quite perfect. the sound is not as fast as I dream > of, but have good "feeling"... not more. AM5 were complementary to it. > Matyas > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 02:36:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:36:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks References: <3B2F7359.C826E5B9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0d7a01c0f921$14856f60$973442cf@sank1> V+ to V- bypass cap connection is not something I have ever done in my work. It would have a similar effect to each V-to-ground bypassing, but I don't think as effective & I think might have negative issues in some cases, as you seem to have demonstrated on that final stage. I don't believe their is a standard designation for polystyrene film caps. RelCap designates them as RT for single layer & RTX for multi-layer "Multicap"(fomerly MIT), which are my two favorite styrene types. I would bet money that AMC did V-to-V bypassing just to save money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tweaks > > Ron, Stefen > Thanks Guys, > > > I am not sure what you mean by 'bypassed together'. I > > assume you connected a film cap between each supply > > pin and ground? > > > > No, I mean that I have (by misunderstanding your tip) connected V+ and V- > together, not with the ground, I have seen this decoupling way in my own AMC > CD player, I mean it is an original work done at factory, not mine. > It brings interesting results, in this way to do, the cap' value is > determinant. > > Stephen, does polystyrene cap are they identified by code as MKP for > polypropylene? Are they known under an other name ? > I am affraid that these caps are not so easy to find there. > > The lead section should also be less or equal to 0.6 mm to be free from skin > effect in audible frequencies. > > � > 4. Bypass power pins of the head and Dolby op-amps with > � > 4.7nF polypropylene caps. Same on other signal path > � > op-amps if space permits. > > Matyas > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 20 02:46:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:46:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks References: <3B2F7359.C826E5B9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B2FF262.340FD1B6@concentric.net> Matyas wrote: > > Ron, Stefen > Thanks Guys, > > > I am not sure what you mean by 'bypassed together'. I > > assume you connected a film cap between each supply > > pin and ground? > > > > No, I mean that I have (by misunderstanding your tip) connected V+ and V- > together, not with the ground, I have seen this decoupling way in my own AMC > CD player, I mean it is an original work done at factory, not mine. > It brings interesting results, in this way to do, the cap' value is > determinant. > > Stephen, does polystyrene cap are they identified by code as MKP for > polypropylene? Are they known under an other name ? > I am affraid that these caps are not so easy to find there. > > The lead section should also be less or equal to 0.6 mm to be free from skin > effect in audible frequencies. > > ¦ > 4. Bypass power pins of the head and Dolby op-amps with > ¦ > 4.7nF polypropylene caps. Same on other signal path > ¦ > op-amps if space permits. > > Matyas Gee, I do apologize. I meant, 'bypass to ground'. I thought that was quite clear -- I guess not... In trying to figure out what bypassing the power pins *to each other* does, it seems to me it would accomplish, partially, a similar thing to bypassing each pin to ground, by mixing the signal drop and noise across the negative pin to the signal drop and noise on the positive pin. I think the result would be unpredictable, though, because it would depend on the impedance at these points before bypassing. If you got a sonic effect, I would be curious to learn what bypassing each power pin to ground with a 3.3nF to 6.8nF film cap does. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 20 05:43:56 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:13:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] tweaks Message-ID: <20010620034356.4A7EF1DFE32@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 20 05:55:30 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:25:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found Message-ID: <20010620035530.C6C021DFB83@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 10:20:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <20010620035530.C6C021DFB83@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003901c0f961$d40adec0$193442cf@sank1> I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & 151. Strange. The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of the optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode unit, so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power went down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. On these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the slightly less reflective CD-R's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > Stephen > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to have reached Naktalk > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would read CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which reads CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number of Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this point. > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the pickup > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as an > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To remove > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the rack-side of > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer the > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting jumper on > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a piece of > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 10:24:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:24:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks References: <20010620034356.4A7EF1DFE32@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003f01c0f962$68de8a60$193442cf@sank1> Film cap bypassing of electrolytic coupling caps in the signal path is definitely a more significant improvement in virtually all cases than power supply bypassing. But adding bypass caps at each chip or circuit stage location, having first done a generous amount at the supply location, can yield a very nice improvement. Mostly in top end smoothness & spaciousness. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] tweaks > > Ron > when good powersupply design is used as in the case of all Nakamichi 3 head decks, does this power supply bypassing help? Since powersupply bapassing can help very high frequency applications as in digital circuits which operates in MHz region , I always thought bypassing signal path capacitor would be more beneficial than PS bypass? Ofcourse bypassing PS ( both + /- pins) with ground should not cause any problems though, I am surprised with Matyas finding unless some strange frequency feed back occurring in those circuits. This may not be a problem for simple amplification but can be problomatic with active filter type of circuits - first stage playback amp! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tweaks > > > >Matyas wrote: > >> > >> Ron, Stefen > >> Thanks Guys, > >> > > >In trying to figure out what bypassing the power > >pins *to each other* does, it seems to me it would > >accomplish, partially, a similar thing to bypassing > >each pin to ground, by mixing the signal drop and > >noise across the negative pin to the signal drop and > >noise on the positive pin. I think the result would > >be unpredictable, though, because it would depend on > >the impedance at these points before bypassing. > > > >If you got a sonic effect, I would be curious to > >learn what bypassing each power pin to ground with > >a 3.3nF to 6.8nF film cap does. > > > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 11:24:40 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:24:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found Message-ID: I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser it has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & 151. Strange. The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of the optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode unit, so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power went down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. On these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the slightly less reflective CD-R's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > Stephen > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to have reached Naktalk > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would read CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which reads CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number of Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this point. > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the pickup > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as an > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To remove > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the rack-side of > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer the > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting jumper on > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a piece of > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 11:59:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:59:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: Message-ID: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport ever made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 transport, which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of about 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser it > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > 151. Strange. > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of the > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode unit, > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power went > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. On > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the slightly > less reflective CD-R's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > Stephen > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to have > reached Naktalk > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would read > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which reads > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number of > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this point. > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > pickup > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as an > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To > remove > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > rack-side > of > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer > the > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting jumper > on > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a piece > of > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Jun 20 14:20:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:20:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56B8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. Let's take an average, finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's actual Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a Wow/Flutter meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? Wide and relatively slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? None of the above? Unpredictable? If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's excessive) is there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? Is it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, stretched belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? Any help is greatly appreciated! Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 20 16:18:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:18:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks References: <20010620034356.4A7EF1DFE32@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B30B0C3.E4212291@concentric.net> Theoretically, power supply rails impedance should be zero (or close to it). Real world designs have very low impedance, but (again, theoretically) performance will be improved if it can be made lower. The question is, how low does it have to go to be considered 'close to zero'. If the power supply distribution has already been designed well, the improvement can be small or nil. If the supply rail is comparatively higher impedance, the improvement can be audible. In any case, improvement is never huge, because op-amps have a very high power supply rejection (at least, any op-amp I know) and most supplies are reasonably well designed. As to + to - bypassing, this can also reduce rail impedance (so I am not surprised at Matyas' findings), but is even more dependent on supply circuit design. I think that is will be more effective where the supply rails are already very low impedance. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > when good powersupply design is used as in the case of all Nakamichi 3 head decks, does this power supply bypassing help? Since powersupply bapassing can help very high frequency applications as in digital circuits which operates in MHz region , I always thought bypassing signal path capacitor would be more beneficial than PS bypass? Ofcourse bypassing PS ( both + /- pins) with ground should not cause any problems though, I am surprised with Matyas finding unless some strange frequency feed back occurring in those circuits. This may not be a problem for simple amplification but can be problomatic with active filter type of circuits - first stage playback amp! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] tweaks > > >Matyas wrote: > >> > >> Ron, Stefen > >> Thanks Guys, > >> > > >In trying to figure out what bypassing the power > >pins *to each other* does, it seems to me it would > >accomplish, partially, a similar thing to bypassing > >each pin to ground, by mixing the signal drop and > >noise across the negative pin to the signal drop and > >noise on the positive pin. I think the result would > >be unpredictable, though, because it would depend on > >the impedance at these points before bypassing. > > > >If you got a sonic effect, I would be curious to > >learn what bypassing each power pin to ground with > >a 3.3nF to 6.8nF film cap does. > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 20 16:38:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:38:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56B8@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B30B55A.6A48F26@concentric.net> Igritski Nick wrote: > > Guys, > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so take it at face value. > Let's take an average, > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's actual > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a Wow/Flutter > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? Yes, that would be the flutter content. > Wide and relatively > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? Yes, that would be the wow content. > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's excessive) is > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? Is > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, stretched > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more or less corresponding parts. The wow was usually linked either to the idler or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter reading was usually so erratic (if often showed up more like noise than a specific frequency) that it was often difficult to relate it to anything. However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning and lubricating the motor after made a huge difference. -- Ron > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ARWII at aol.com Wed Jun 20 18:31:22 2001 From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:31:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sanks Address and phone No. Message-ID: <22.17af875f.286229da@aol.com> Thank you Graham, but I'm having trouble with the phone number and address. I seem to remember that they were correct at one time. Could Mr. Sank have moved out of NM? His website is also down. Does anyone else have any ideas? How long has it been since he last posted to the listserve? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Jun 20 19:24:01 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:24:01 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BA@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, please, shed some more light onto things contained in your last > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > take it at face value. > > > Let's take an average, > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > actual > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > Wow/Flutter > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > Wide and relatively > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > excessive) is > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? > Is > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > stretched > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > or less corresponding parts. > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Wed Jun 20 19:28:36 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:28:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sanks Address and phone No. In-Reply-To: <22.17af875f.286229da@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620132810.00a92ec0@mail.verizon.net> >...Could Mr. Sank have moved out of NM? >His website is also down. ====================== try http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Jun 20 19:35:23 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:35:23 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sorry, pushed wrong button... Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, please, shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have one single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? Sincerely Nick The wow was usually linked either to the idler or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter reading was usually so erratic (if often showed up more like noise than a specific frequency) that it was often difficult to relate it to anything. However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning and lubricating the motor after made a huge difference. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > take it at face value. > > > Let's take an average, > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > actual > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > Wow/Flutter > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > Wide and relatively > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > excessive) is > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? > Is > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > stretched > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > or less corresponding parts. > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > difference. > > -- Ron > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Jun 20 19:52:09 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:52:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sanks Address and phone No. Message-ID: Here is Stephen's last entry from this morning. Contains all adresses ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wed, June 20, 2001 5:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport ever made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 transport, which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of about 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser it > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > 151. Strange. > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of the > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode unit, > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power went > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. On > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the slightly > less reflective CD-R's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > Stephen > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to have > reached Naktalk > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would read > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which reads > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number of > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this point. > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > pickup > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as an > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To > remove > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > rack-side > of > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer > the > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting jumper > on > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a piece > of > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 20 20:25:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:25:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <007d01c0f9b6$6d5624a0$193442cf@sank1> The W/F reading will "dance" a fair amount, depending on the deck & it's health AND the age & condition of the test tape, but it should stay within a reasonable range around the spec figure. It can be very hard to determine what the source of errant reading is, though, on a tape deck. Bad motor, worn belt, cap bearing problem & even pinch roller axle grease-hardening can all look the same on the W/F meter. So it's a combination of observation, experience & process of elimination to solve the puzzle. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, please, > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have one > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > Sincerely > Nick > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > difference. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > take it at face value. > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > > actual > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > Wow/Flutter > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > excessive) is > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? > > Is > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > stretched > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > difference. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 20 21:17:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:17:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B30F6BC.3DA8B26C@concentric.net> Nick, I am trying to recollect details from many years ago... Say you have an accurate 3KHz tone on an LP and play it on a TT with some wow. The output signal consists of a tone, varying from somewhere below 3KHz to somewhere above it. The frequency of variation depends on the cause of the wow. Say you feed the signal into a HD meter. You adjust the meter to filter out 3KHz. Now the output of the meter consists of a pulsating signal. The needle may jump around too much, so display it on a 'scope. Once synched up, you can measure the frequency of pulsation. If that frequency is about 0.5Hz, the cause of wow is a platter bearing. If it's several Hz, the cause is an idler. (In a tape deck, wow frequency would depend on pinch roller and capstan speeds.) I admit this was a very crude measurement method. One drawback was that very small wow was not detectable (but at the time, anything under 0.5% was considered quite acceptable). Second, it did not work for flutter. However, the cause of flutter was always the motor and that was usually accompanied by elevated rumble. In most cases, I didn't have to search for the cause of W/F. I just gave the TT good cleaning/lubrication and replaced what was obviously worn in a visual check. This alone often improved W/F and rumble to like-new state. How to differentiate between wow and flutter? They are really the same thing, only at different frequencies. In an old mechanism you can have both. -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, please, > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have one > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > Sincerely > Nick > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > difference. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > take it at face value. > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > > actual > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > Wow/Flutter > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other appropriate > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to observe? > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > excessive) is > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to be? > > Is > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > stretched > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > difference. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:33:54 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:33:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: <0c5301c0f825$a0291820$973442cf@sank1> <0d7201c0f920$37d5c4c0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: You're right Stephen for Luxman and lightly cruel for AMC, but you are widely excused ;o) ! In fact the CDM-7 is literally a Phillips player, featuring CDM4 drive (not so crappy according to you), SAA 7323 DAC. Its fabrication is really robust (all is metal made) the chassis does not resonate, the tube output module is detachable and slides in well done rails. The eastetical question gives you reason for a thing that is an ugly green power button as NAD likes. Fortunately, I own too the standard (really modest) output module that I use actually. My future CD player will be a Teac VRDS **. The absolute non fooled product. I have just verified in this review I mentioned (1991) the circuits description of the Lux. In fact I made a mistake, it was a question of their D-107 U, which is a more up-market model. This one won their Muse de l'Audiophile.(Luxman made 2 other hybrid players the D-103u & D-105u) In this one, no op-amp nor transistor after the 18 bit BurrBrown DAC, just a double triode 6FQ7 with an half unused(grounded) in cathod follower, then a coupling cap before input a transformer (not balanced). The reviewer point out that this trafo is a part of the low pass filter, suffisently efficient without classical inconveniences bringed by to much abrupt filtering (1991). The last component is a relay, for muting. These Lux trafo are way better pleasing to look at than AMC one. I bet AMC ones come from Neutrik. So bad Luxman did down-market of this original D-107U. Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! > The D-105u Luxman is a later & different model than the D-105, but neither > one has transformers in the signal path. The review is in error, unless it > was a special balanced output version I have not seen. > On the other hand, if there is a crappy way to do something, AMC will do it! > As far as so-called "high-end" audio makers go, AMC is among the worst in > construction, parts & design quality. Abominable junk. I have never seen a > piece of AMC gear that I could even remotely recommend. > > Stephen Sank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 21:22:01 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:22:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks II References: <3B2F7359.C826E5B9@concentric.net> <0d7a01c0f921$14856f60$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Steves wrote: > V+ to V- bypass cap connection is not something I have ever done in my work. > It would have a similar effect to each V-to-ground bypassing, but I don't > think as effective & I think might have negative issues in some cases, as > you seem to have demonstrated on that final stage. > I don't believe their is a standard designation for polystyrene film caps. > RelCap designates them as RT for single layer & RTX for multi-layer > "Multicap"(fomerly MIT), which are my two favorite styrene types. I would > bet money that AMC did V-to-V bypassing just to save money. > > Stephen Sank I found only the + to - bypass cap in the standard output module, not in the tube one. Moreover, on this PCB, you find electrolytic cap yet bypassed by metallized film capacitors on both supply rails, near of the IC's & op-amp ! So I cannot imagine the cap added in parallel on V+ V- on this op-amp was done to save monney as you said. Output caps are yet factory bypassed by film cap too. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 21:22:11 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:22:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] tweaks III References: <20010620034356.4A7EF1DFE32@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B30B0C3.E4212291@concentric.net> Message-ID: Ron wrote: > > Theoretically, power supply rails impedance should be > zero (or close to it). Real world designs have very > low impedance, but (again, theoretically) performance > will be improved if it can be made lower. The question > is, how low does it have to go to be considered 'close > to zero'. Pleasant to the trick I gave for replacing the constant voltage source of the Dragon/CR7 playback amp, with OP-2134 which shown 0.0004 Ohms in DC region in follower + 40 mA current ability ;-) May I dare to believe that is a 'shunt regulator' as I read somewhere ? No capacitor after the Shunt regulator for no coloration and more speed Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matyas Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! You're right Stephen for Luxman and lightly cruel for AMC, but you are widely excused ;o) ! In fact the CDM-7 is literally a Phillips player, featuring CDM4 drive (not so crappy according to you), SAA 7323 DAC. Its fabrication is really robust (all is metal made) the chassis does not resonate, the tube output module is detachable and slides in well done rails. The eastetical question gives you reason for a thing that is an ugly green power button as NAD likes. Fortunately, I own too the standard (really modest) output module that I use actually. My future CD player will be a Teac VRDS **. The absolute non fooled product. I have just verified in this review I mentioned (1991) the circuits description of the Lux. In fact I made a mistake, it was a question of their D-107 U, which is a more up-market model. This one won their Muse de l'Audiophile.(Luxman made 2 other hybrid players the D-103u & D-105u) In this one, no op-amp nor transistor after the 18 bit BurrBrown DAC, just a double triode 6FQ7 with an half unused(grounded) in cathod follower, then a coupling cap before input a transformer (not balanced). The reviewer point out that this trafo is a part of the low pass filter, suffisently efficient without classical inconveniences bringed by to much abrupt filtering (1991). The last component is a relay, for muting. These Lux trafo are way better pleasing to look at than AMC one. I bet AMC ones come from Neutrik. So bad Luxman did down-market of this original D-107U. Regards, Matyas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 02:53:19 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:53:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! References: Message-ID: <00c201c0f9ec$914b4080$193442cf@sank1> I did say it was a pleasant sounding player, just despite a crappy transport, and despite making little use of the tubes. The comparison you did does not surprise me. None of the players you mention are extraordinary, to my tastes at least. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! > So....with all that in mind...is my D105u really THAT bad??? ;-) Like I > have said before....the sound fools me, if it sucks like Stephen says. > Also, I took the player to the local high end place and we hooked it up to a > $50,000 system. We compared my player to a Cary unit ($3,500), and older > McIntosh, a new Sony player ($1,500), and a Rega. Me, nor the guy there > could hear much or any difference. > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Matyas > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:34 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Luxman D105- thanks Stephen! > > > You're right Stephen for Luxman and lightly cruel for AMC, but you are > widely excused ;o) ! > > In fact the CDM-7 is literally a Phillips player, featuring CDM4 drive > (not so crappy according to you), SAA 7323 DAC. > Its fabrication is really robust (all is metal made) the chassis does not > resonate, the tube output module is detachable and slides in well done > rails. The eastetical question gives you reason for a thing that is an ugly > green power button as NAD likes. > Fortunately, I own too the standard (really modest) output module that I > use actually. > > My future CD player will be a Teac VRDS **. The absolute non fooled > product. > > I have just verified in this review I mentioned (1991) the circuits > description of the Lux. > In fact I made a mistake, it was a question of their D-107 U, which is a > more up-market model. This one won their Muse de l'Audiophile.(Luxman made 2 > other hybrid players the D-103u & D-105u) > In this one, no op-amp nor transistor after the 18 bit BurrBrown DAC, just > a double triode 6FQ7 with an half unused(grounded) in cathod follower, then > a coupling cap before input a transformer (not balanced). The reviewer point > out that this trafo is a part of the low pass filter, suffisently efficient > without classical inconveniences bringed by to much abrupt filtering (1991). > The last component is a relay, for muting. > > These Lux trafo are way better pleasing to look at than AMC one. I bet AMC > ones come from Neutrik. > > So bad Luxman did down-market of this original D-107U. > > Regards, > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 21 08:51:48 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:51:48 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thank you, Stephen. BTW, I must apologize for NOT thanking you for the insight to my 700's questions, as your reply hasn't reached my PC due to severe mail-server breakdown. The other Russian Nick told me in our today's conversation, that there had been an answer to my questions while I was wondering all the time, why did nobody say at least anything!! That Nick will forward your answer to me tomorrow. Now back to W/F issue. I used to read in some papers, that in order to distinguish the particular sources of Wow/Futter one has to carefully investigate the relevant oscillogram which contains all the necessary information on "what", "to which extent" and stuff. There even was a detailed example of how one got pretty comprehensive data out of reading the w/f oscillogram of a mediocre reel-to-reel recorder. I tried to do exactly the same with my 700TT, but... to absolutely no effect. The reason, why I came up with this question is as follows. The thing that worries me is somewhat abnormal Wow/Flutter pattern of my 700. Everytime I measure it I see the pointer quiver around 0.07% within +/-0.02% then rather abruptly move up to 1.3%, stay there for a while and then come back to 0.07%. The period of such a quivering-leap-quivering is ca. 6 seconds. What would you say watching the behaviour like this? The other things to know are: --I cleaned and relubed literally everything, incl. capstan motor --I replaced all belts and tires (except pinch rollers, which look pretty good) --the w/f tape I use is almost new Thanks in advance Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:26 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > The W/F reading will "dance" a fair amount, depending on the deck & it's > health AND the age & condition of the test tape, but it should stay within > a > reasonable range around the spec figure. It can be very hard to determine > what the source of errant reading is, though, on a tape deck. Bad motor, > worn belt, cap bearing problem & even pinch roller axle grease-hardening > can > all look the same on the W/F meter. So it's a combination of observation, > experience & process of elimination to solve the puzzle. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, > please, > > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have one > > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > > > Sincerely > > Nick > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > difference. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > > take it at face value. > > > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > > > actual > > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > > Wow/Flutter > > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other > appropriate > > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to > observe? > > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > > excessive) is > > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to > be? > > > Is > > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > > stretched > > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > difference. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jun 21 08:57:57 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:57:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent Philips gear and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, the original, all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know about it reading CD-Rs though. The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My eye for aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). Marc Marc Stephen Sank wrote: > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport ever > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 transport, > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of about > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser > it > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > > 151. Strange. > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > the > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > unit, > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > went > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > On > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > slightly > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > Stephen > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to > have > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would > read > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > reads > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number > of > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > point. > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > pickup > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as > an > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To > > remove > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > rack-side > > of > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer > > the > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > jumper > > on > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > piece > > of > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 09:29:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:29:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found Message-ID: <10d.1a39031.2862fc6c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/21/2001 2:01:30 AM Central Daylight Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent Philips gear and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, the original, all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know about it reading CD-Rs though. >> Keep in mind that you can always "tweak" you player to read CD-R's. So, don't allow that to be a major hurdle. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 11:00:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:00:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00ee01c0fa30$96951220$193442cf@sank1> This may not be the answer, but could be. Very recently I ran into a case of a 700II with high w/f, despite having overhauled the motor, lub'd bearings, etc. Always looking for hardening grease on pinch roller shafts, but they spun freely when I spun them with my finger. After much frustration, it occured to me to see how the roller axles felt if I rolled them slowly with my finger while applying pressure. Discovered that the grease was hardening, but was only detectable with applied pressure. So, I had to partially un-rivet the pinch roller assemblies to get the axles out & clean away every last bit of the old grease & apply new silicone grease. Flutter dropped right down to below spec & stayed there. The only other thing that occurs to me is that the two flywheels, due to some remaining problem in the shaft bearings, are phasing in & out of a sympathetic vibration resonance. If you find this may be the case, take each flywheel out, then put the top end of the capstan shaft firmly into the chuck of a drill press, then set the press to it's lowest speed. Being very careful not to apply excess tortional pressure, hold a piece of finishing grade "scotchbrite" abrasive pad against each front & rear bearing contact area of the shaft. Try to get a smooth matte finish. Re-oil each shaft with SAE 30 non-detergent motor oil, or, even better, an oil called "Prolong", then let the machine run in stop mode for several hours, or even overnight. After this period, if you want to be extra thorough, pull the flywheels again, clean out all of the oil you can from the shafts & bearing sleeves, then re-oil & reassemble. Then run for another hour or two before re-testing. If you still have the problem, we'll have to think of other possibilities. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > Thank you, Stephen. BTW, I must apologize for NOT thanking you for the > insight to my 700's questions, as your reply hasn't reached my PC due to > severe mail-server breakdown. The other Russian Nick told me in our today's > conversation, that there had been an answer to my questions while I was > wondering all the time, why did nobody say at least anything!! That Nick > will forward your answer to me tomorrow. > > Now back to W/F issue. I used to read in some papers, that in order to > distinguish the particular sources of Wow/Futter one has to carefully > investigate the relevant oscillogram which contains all the necessary > information on "what", "to which extent" and stuff. There even was a > detailed example of how one got pretty comprehensive data out of reading the > w/f oscillogram of a mediocre reel-to-reel recorder. I tried to do exactly > the same with my 700TT, but... to absolutely no effect. > > The reason, why I came up with this question is as follows. The thing that > worries me is somewhat abnormal Wow/Flutter pattern of my 700. Everytime I > measure it I see the pointer quiver around 0.07% within +/-0.02% then rather > abruptly move up to 1.3%, stay there for a while and then come back to > 0.07%. The period of such a quivering-leap-quivering is ca. 6 seconds. What > would you say watching the behaviour like this? The other things to know > are: > --I cleaned and relubed literally everything, incl. capstan motor > --I replaced all belts and tires (except pinch rollers, which look pretty > good) > --the w/f tape I use is almost new > > Thanks in advance > > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:26 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > The W/F reading will "dance" a fair amount, depending on the deck & it's > > health AND the age & condition of the test tape, but it should stay within > > a > > reasonable range around the spec figure. It can be very hard to determine > > what the source of errant reading is, though, on a tape deck. Bad motor, > > worn belt, cap bearing problem & even pinch roller axle grease-hardening > > can > > all look the same on the W/F meter. So it's a combination of observation, > > experience & process of elimination to solve the puzzle. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > > > > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, > > please, > > > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > > > > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > > > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have one > > > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Nick > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > difference. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just basic > > > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > > > take it at face value. > > > > > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume it's > > > > actual > > > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > > > Wow/Flutter > > > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other > > appropriate > > > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to > > observe? > > > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > > > excessive) is > > > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this to > > be? > > > > Is > > > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > > > stretched > > > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 11:13:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:13:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <00f801c0fa32$66f95920$193442cf@sank1> I'd second that. The Philips CDM-2, CDM-4 & CDM-9/9Pro single-beam, radial arm transports were fairly hard to beat, without going to a very good laserdisc transport, as I've suggested before. My absolute favorite CD-only transport is the Museatex CD-D, which is based on the CDM-4 unit, with the addition of Ed Meitner's "C-Lock" reclocking circuit being about the only change vs the equivalent Philips player. In the last 15 or so years, I have seen only ONE failure of a CDM-4, maybe two failures of CDM-9, and exactly ZERO failures of the CDM-2(which is what is in your McIntosh MCD-7000, Brian S.). Philips made an enormous mistake discontinuing these transports & trying to foist the horrid CDM-12 on all of their OEM clients & the public. Most of the small high-end audio companies made the mistake of accepting it, perhaps in desperation at the prospect of finding another decent OEM transport. So there are some REALLY expensive transports out there with that piece of $20 shit at their hearts. One of the few that actually had the guts to tell Philips to go to hell, much to my surprise, was Krell, who ended up buying transports from JVC & Teac. The most amusing & infuriating thing was reading the reviews of some of these "high-end" CDM-12-based units, with reviewers actually having either the audacity or the blind stupidity to say "it's a CD-ROM transport", as if that means it is "high precision". Anyone with half a brain knows that CD-ROM transports are the cheapest pieces of crap you can get! Which precisely describes the CDM-12. Well, now that I've got that rant out of my system, ..... Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent Philips gear > and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, the original, > all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know about it > reading CD-Rs though. > > The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My eye for > aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). > > Marc > > Marc > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport ever > > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 transport, > > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of about > > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs > > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser > > it > > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > > > 151. Strange. > > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > > the > > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > unit, > > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > went > > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > > On > > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > slightly > > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to > > have > > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would > > read > > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > > reads > > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail > > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number > > of > > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > > point. > > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > > pickup > > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as > > an > > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To > > > remove > > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > > rack-side > > > of > > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer > > > the > > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > > jumper > > > on > > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > > piece > > > of > > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jun 21 12:37:18 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:37:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> <00f801c0fa32$66f95920$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B31CE5E.E8680B6D@sunint.co.za> Love the rant Stephen, A local contributing editor to AVSA (Audio Video SA) who is pretty up to speed on the computer industry too, referred in a recent issue to computer CD drives and everything that goes with them, as "contraptions" and that they were "designed, preferably, not to last terribly long...." The computer industry defiantly, almost insolently demonsrates planned obscelence as a deliberate policy. If they can't possibly disable your hardware by making software impossible to run on it (at least before your retirement dinner) then, they take the added precaution of selecting parts custom built to self destruct within short periods of time. Preferably the day after the warranty expires. Marc Stephen Sank wrote: > I'd second that. The Philips CDM-2, CDM-4 & CDM-9/9Pro single-beam, radial > arm transports were fairly hard to beat, without going to a very good > laserdisc transport, as I've suggested before. My absolute favorite CD-only > transport is the Museatex CD-D, which is based on the CDM-4 unit, with the > addition of Ed Meitner's "C-Lock" reclocking circuit being about the only > change vs the equivalent Philips player. In the last 15 or so years, I have > seen only ONE failure of a CDM-4, maybe two failures of CDM-9, and exactly > ZERO failures of the CDM-2(which is what is in your McIntosh MCD-7000, Brian > S.). Philips made an enormous mistake discontinuing these transports & > trying to foist the horrid CDM-12 on all of their OEM clients & the public. > Most of the small high-end audio companies made the mistake of accepting it, > perhaps in desperation at the prospect of finding another decent OEM > transport. So there are some REALLY expensive transports out there with > that piece of $20 shit at their hearts. One of the few that actually had > the guts to tell Philips to go to hell, much to my surprise, was Krell, who > ended up buying transports from JVC & Teac. The most amusing & infuriating > thing was reading the reviews of some of these "high-end" CDM-12-based > units, with reviewers actually having either the audacity or the blind > stupidity to say "it's a CD-ROM transport", as if that means it is "high > precision". Anyone with half a brain knows that CD-ROM transports are the > cheapest pieces of crap you can get! Which precisely describes the CDM-12. > Well, now that I've got that rant out of my system, ..... > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent > Philips gear > > and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, > the original, > > all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know > about it > > reading CD-Rs though. > > > > The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My > eye for > > aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). > > > > Marc > > > > Marc > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport > ever > > > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 > transport, > > > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of > about > > > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Valkov" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of > CDs > > > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of > laser > > > it > > > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, > 240 & > > > > 151. Strange. > > > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that > earlier > > > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the > photodiode > > > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the > laser > > > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some > of > > > the > > > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > > unit, > > > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > > went > > > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, > step > > > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into > one, > > > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no > 90 > > > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages > 0.07-0.10mW. > > > On > > > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece > of > > > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is > needed > > > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > > slightly > > > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem > to > > > have > > > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased > would > > > read > > > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > > > reads > > > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by > mail > > > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large > number > > > of > > > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > > > Kannan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > > > point. > > > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM > ( > > > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. > The > > > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > > > pickup > > > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack > as > > > an > > > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. > To > > > > remove > > > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > > > rack-side > > > > of > > > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to > transfer > > > > the > > > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > > > jumper > > > > on > > > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > > > piece > > > > of > > > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back > together > > > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 21 13:32:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:32:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BE@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Absolutely excellent and exhaustive comment. I'll give it a try tonight. The only question left is how you managed to un-rivet and, what's more important, to re-rivet the PR-assy's without damaging them? Thank you. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:00 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > This may not be the answer, but could be. Very recently I ran into a case > of a 700II with high w/f, despite having overhauled the motor, lub'd > bearings, etc. Always looking for hardening grease on pinch roller > shafts, > but they spun freely when I spun them with my finger. After much > frustration, it occured to me to see how the roller axles felt if I rolled > them slowly with my finger while applying pressure. Discovered that the > grease was hardening, but was only detectable with applied pressure. So, > I > had to partially un-rivet the pinch roller assemblies to get the axles out > & > clean away every last bit of the old grease & apply new silicone grease. > Flutter dropped right down to below spec & stayed there. > The only other thing that occurs to me is that the two flywheels, due to > some remaining problem in the shaft bearings, are phasing in & out of a > sympathetic vibration resonance. If you find this may be the case, take > each flywheel out, then put the top end of the capstan shaft firmly into > the > chuck of a drill press, then set the press to it's lowest speed. Being > very > careful not to apply excess tortional pressure, hold a piece of finishing > grade "scotchbrite" abrasive pad against each front & rear bearing contact > area of the shaft. Try to get a smooth matte finish. Re-oil each shaft > with SAE 30 non-detergent motor oil, or, even better, an oil called > "Prolong", then let the machine run in stop mode for several hours, or > even > overnight. After this period, if you want to be extra thorough, pull the > flywheels again, clean out all of the oil you can from the shafts & > bearing > sleeves, then re-oil & reassemble. Then run for another hour or two > before > re-testing. If you still have the problem, we'll have to think of other > possibilities. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:51 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > Thank you, Stephen. BTW, I must apologize for NOT thanking you for the > > insight to my 700's questions, as your reply hasn't reached my PC due to > > severe mail-server breakdown. The other Russian Nick told me in our > today's > > conversation, that there had been an answer to my questions while I was > > wondering all the time, why did nobody say at least anything!! That Nick > > will forward your answer to me tomorrow. > > > > Now back to W/F issue. I used to read in some papers, that in order to > > distinguish the particular sources of Wow/Futter one has to carefully > > investigate the relevant oscillogram which contains all the necessary > > information on "what", "to which extent" and stuff. There even was a > > detailed example of how one got pretty comprehensive data out of reading > the > > w/f oscillogram of a mediocre reel-to-reel recorder. I tried to do > exactly > > the same with my 700TT, but... to absolutely no effect. > > > > The reason, why I came up with this question is as follows. The thing > that > > worries me is somewhat abnormal Wow/Flutter pattern of my 700. Everytime > I > > measure it I see the pointer quiver around 0.07% within +/-0.02% then > rather > > abruptly move up to 1.3%, stay there for a while and then come back to > > 0.07%. The period of such a quivering-leap-quivering is ca. 6 seconds. > What > > would you say watching the behaviour like this? The other things to know > > are: > > --I cleaned and relubed literally everything, incl. capstan motor > > --I replaced all belts and tires (except pinch rollers, which look > pretty > > good) > > --the w/f tape I use is almost new > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:26 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > The W/F reading will "dance" a fair amount, depending on the deck & > it's > > > health AND the age & condition of the test tape, but it should stay > within > > > a > > > reasonable range around the spec figure. It can be very hard to > determine > > > what the source of errant reading is, though, on a tape deck. Bad > motor, > > > worn belt, cap bearing problem & even pinch roller axle > grease-hardening > > > can > > > all look the same on the W/F meter. So it's a combination of > observation, > > > experience & process of elimination to solve the puzzle. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:35 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > > > > > > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, > > > please, > > > > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > > > > > > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > > > > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have > one > > > > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just > basic > > > > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > > > > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > > > > take it at face value. > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume > it's > > > > > actual > > > > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > > > > Wow/Flutter > > > > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other > > > appropriate > > > > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to > > > observe? > > > > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > > > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > > > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > > > > excessive) is > > > > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this > to > > > be? > > > > > Is > > > > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > > > > stretched > > > > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > > > > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > > > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > > > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > > > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 21 13:51:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:51:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Roots of 700's erasure problem Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> After a whole lotta frustrations I've finally managed to locate the roots of incomplete erasure on my 700TT. Last night I ended up disassembling the whole heads block, took the pinch roller ass'y with EH attached out and examined it thoroughly looking for a defect. After having found none, I noticed that this particular EH had ONE SINGLE gap! Then I took the spare, brand new PR-ass'y, compared them and discovered that EH having TWO gaps! That's why my older 700TT does not erase "modern" Type II tapes! Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 21 14:48:29 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:48:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> <00f801c0fa32$66f95920$193442cf@sank1> <3B31CE5E.E8680B6D@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B31ED1D.EC8E86A3@concentric.net> To be honest, this is how many industries operate, as well. CD-ROM drives or American autos are just examples. There are exceptions to the planned obsolescence rule. Plextor makes excellent CD-ROM drives that last for years and years. Not surprisingly, they cost a bit more. Those that prefer lowest possible cost up front, pay for it later, when they have to buy a new one. The choice is up to the consumer. There is one justification for this approach in computer products, that does not apply to Audio products. Computers change so fast that people replace old drives with newer, faster and more capable ones, even when the old drive is still running well. In this environment, it makes no sense to pay for a drive that lasts forever. Audio formats do not change this fast and players can serve for many years -- if they last. -- Ron Marc Hugo wrote: > > Love the rant Stephen, > > A local contributing editor to AVSA (Audio Video SA) who is pretty up to speed on the > computer industry too, referred in a recent issue to computer CD drives and everything > that goes with them, as "contraptions" and that they were "designed, preferably, not > to last terribly long...." > > The computer industry defiantly, almost insolently demonsrates planned obscelence as a > deliberate policy. If they can't possibly disable your hardware by making software > impossible to run on it (at least before your retirement dinner) then, they take the > added precaution of selecting parts custom built to self destruct within short periods > of time. Preferably the day after the warranty expires. > > Marc > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I'd second that. The Philips CDM-2, CDM-4 & CDM-9/9Pro single-beam, radial > > arm transports were fairly hard to beat, without going to a very good > > laserdisc transport, as I've suggested before. My absolute favorite CD-only > > transport is the Museatex CD-D, which is based on the CDM-4 unit, with the > > addition of Ed Meitner's "C-Lock" reclocking circuit being about the only > > change vs the equivalent Philips player. In the last 15 or so years, I have > > seen only ONE failure of a CDM-4, maybe two failures of CDM-9, and exactly > > ZERO failures of the CDM-2(which is what is in your McIntosh MCD-7000, Brian > > S.). Philips made an enormous mistake discontinuing these transports & > > trying to foist the horrid CDM-12 on all of their OEM clients & the public. > > Most of the small high-end audio companies made the mistake of accepting it, > > perhaps in desperation at the prospect of finding another decent OEM > > transport. So there are some REALLY expensive transports out there with > > that piece of $20 shit at their hearts. One of the few that actually had > > the guts to tell Philips to go to hell, much to my surprise, was Krell, who > > ended up buying transports from JVC & Teac. The most amusing & infuriating > > thing was reading the reviews of some of these "high-end" CDM-12-based > > units, with reviewers actually having either the audacity or the blind > > stupidity to say "it's a CD-ROM transport", as if that means it is "high > > precision". Anyone with half a brain knows that CD-ROM transports are the > > cheapest pieces of crap you can get! Which precisely describes the CDM-12. > > Well, now that I've got that rant out of my system, ..... > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent > > Philips gear > > > and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, > > the original, > > > all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know > > about it > > > reading CD-Rs though. > > > > > > The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My > > eye for > > > aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport > > ever > > > > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 > > transport, > > > > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of > > about > > > > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "George Valkov" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of > > CDs > > > > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of > > laser > > > > it > > > > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, > > 240 & > > > > > 151. Strange. > > > > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that > > earlier > > > > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the > > photodiode > > > > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the > > laser > > > > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > > > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > > > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some > > of > > > > the > > > > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > > > unit, > > > > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > > > went > > > > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, > > step > > > > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into > > one, > > > > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no > > 90 > > > > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages > > 0.07-0.10mW. > > > > On > > > > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece > > of > > > > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is > > needed > > > > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > > > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > > > slightly > > > > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem > > to > > > > have > > > > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased > > would > > > > read > > > > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > > > > reads > > > > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by > > mail > > > > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large > > number > > > > of > > > > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > > > > point. > > > > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM > > ( > > > > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. > > The > > > > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > > > > pickup > > > > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack > > as > > > > an > > > > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. > > To > > > > > remove > > > > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > > > > rack-side > > > > > of > > > > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to > > transfer > > > > > the > > > > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > > > > jumper > > > > > on > > > > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > > > > piece > > > > > of > > > > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back > > together > > > > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jun 21 15:00:51 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:00:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - anyone familiar with these components? Ru they any good? References: <128.5a2f02.2863259d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B31F003.982E228A@concentric.net> Sam, all I see is Denon's DVD-2800, is this what you mean? The 2800 is supposed to be denon's new flagship DVD player. As such, price is reasonable. Specs are impeccable. However, it has been beleaguered with serious problems since day one. First, while it looks good in the pictures, build quality is pretty low. Second, because they rushed it out to market, it is riddled with S/W bugs. If you intend to buy one of these beasts, be sure to get one with a black (or whatever the most recent color is) dot next to the serial number. There are dots of other colors, that denote players that they partially fixed, previous to the black dot ones. BTW, when first announced, this looked like the ultimate player for the next few years (well, couple of years, at lest). If it had a multi-disc transport, such as a 5 disc carousel, I would have bought one. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > http://www.denon.com/catalog/photo.asp?s=home&p=DVD%2D2800&f=DVD%2D2800inside% > > 2Ejpg&c=4 > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Jun 21 19:14:08 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:14:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <004d01c0fa75$95ded420$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> and FWIW, a rotel RCD-855 will also read CD-R's erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent Philips gear > and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, the original, > all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know about it > reading CD-Rs though. > > The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My eye for > aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). > > Marc > > Marc > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport ever > > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 transport, > > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of about > > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of CDs > > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of laser > > it > > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > > > 151. Strange. > > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > > the > > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > unit, > > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > went > > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > > On > > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > slightly > > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem to > > have > > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased would > > read > > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > > reads > > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by mail > > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large number > > of > > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > > point. > > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM ( > > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. The > > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > > pickup > > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack as > > an > > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. To > > > remove > > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > > rack-side > > > of > > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to transfer > > > the > > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > > jumper > > > on > > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > > piece > > > of > > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back together > > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 21 17:37:08 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:37:08 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56C3@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, what exactly is to be considered as w/f PEAK value and w/f RMS value? For example, Nak T100 Analyzer measures only peak values of w/f. Are there some special w/f meters that measure RMS values? Is there any way to derive the RMS value out of the peak one? Multiply it by SQRT(2)? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 20:54:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:54:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56BE@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <013001c0fa83$a8801540$193442cf@sank1> Very carefully.=) I used a fine edged pair of wire cutters to un-roll the end of the rivet, then did the reverse on re-assembly, finishing with a few gentle whacks with a hammer. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > Absolutely excellent and exhaustive comment. I'll give it a try tonight. The > only question left is how you managed to un-rivet and, what's more > important, to re-rivet the PR-assy's without damaging them? > > Thank you. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:00 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > This may not be the answer, but could be. Very recently I ran into a case > > of a 700II with high w/f, despite having overhauled the motor, lub'd > > bearings, etc. Always looking for hardening grease on pinch roller > > shafts, > > but they spun freely when I spun them with my finger. After much > > frustration, it occured to me to see how the roller axles felt if I rolled > > them slowly with my finger while applying pressure. Discovered that the > > grease was hardening, but was only detectable with applied pressure. So, > > I > > had to partially un-rivet the pinch roller assemblies to get the axles out > > & > > clean away every last bit of the old grease & apply new silicone grease. > > Flutter dropped right down to below spec & stayed there. > > The only other thing that occurs to me is that the two flywheels, due to > > some remaining problem in the shaft bearings, are phasing in & out of a > > sympathetic vibration resonance. If you find this may be the case, take > > each flywheel out, then put the top end of the capstan shaft firmly into > > the > > chuck of a drill press, then set the press to it's lowest speed. Being > > very > > careful not to apply excess tortional pressure, hold a piece of finishing > > grade "scotchbrite" abrasive pad against each front & rear bearing contact > > area of the shaft. Try to get a smooth matte finish. Re-oil each shaft > > with SAE 30 non-detergent motor oil, or, even better, an oil called > > "Prolong", then let the machine run in stop mode for several hours, or > > even > > overnight. After this period, if you want to be extra thorough, pull the > > flywheels again, clean out all of the oil you can from the shafts & > > bearing > > sleeves, then re-oil & reassemble. Then run for another hour or two > > before > > re-testing. If you still have the problem, we'll have to think of other > > possibilities. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:51 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > Thank you, Stephen. BTW, I must apologize for NOT thanking you for the > > > insight to my 700's questions, as your reply hasn't reached my PC due to > > > severe mail-server breakdown. The other Russian Nick told me in our > > today's > > > conversation, that there had been an answer to my questions while I was > > > wondering all the time, why did nobody say at least anything!! That Nick > > > will forward your answer to me tomorrow. > > > > > > Now back to W/F issue. I used to read in some papers, that in order to > > > distinguish the particular sources of Wow/Futter one has to carefully > > > investigate the relevant oscillogram which contains all the necessary > > > information on "what", "to which extent" and stuff. There even was a > > > detailed example of how one got pretty comprehensive data out of reading > > the > > > w/f oscillogram of a mediocre reel-to-reel recorder. I tried to do > > exactly > > > the same with my 700TT, but... to absolutely no effect. > > > > > > The reason, why I came up with this question is as follows. The thing > > that > > > worries me is somewhat abnormal Wow/Flutter pattern of my 700. Everytime > > I > > > measure it I see the pointer quiver around 0.07% within +/-0.02% then > > rather > > > abruptly move up to 1.3%, stay there for a while and then come back to > > > 0.07%. The period of such a quivering-leap-quivering is ca. 6 seconds. > > What > > > would you say watching the behaviour like this? The other things to know > > > are: > > > --I cleaned and relubed literally everything, incl. capstan motor > > > --I replaced all belts and tires (except pinch rollers, which look > > pretty > > > good) > > > --the w/f tape I use is almost new > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:26 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > The W/F reading will "dance" a fair amount, depending on the deck & > > it's > > > > health AND the age & condition of the test tape, but it should stay > > within > > > > a > > > > reasonable range around the spec figure. It can be very hard to > > determine > > > > what the source of errant reading is, though, on a tape deck. Bad > > motor, > > > > worn belt, cap bearing problem & even pinch roller axle > > grease-hardening > > > > can > > > > all look the same on the W/F meter. So it's a combination of > > observation, > > > > experience & process of elimination to solve the puzzle. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:35 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, pushed wrong button... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot, Ron. Your explanations are excellent. However, can you, > > > > please, > > > > > shed some more light onto things contained in your passages, namely: > > > > > > > > > > 1. How exactly can I identify the wow-source? > > > > > 2. How to practically distinguish between wow and flutter, if I have > > one > > > > > single pointer for both wildly dancing before my eyes? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:38 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask those of you, who have had more than just > > basic > > > > > > > experience of measuring Wow/Flutter on tape decks. > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is based on TTs, not tape decks, so > > > > > > take it at face value. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take an average, > > > > > > > finely aligned double capstan Nak as an example. Let's assume > > it's > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > Wow/Flutter is excellent as per specification. Assumed I have a > > > > > > Wow/Flutter > > > > > > > meter, that measures peak values (e.g. Nak T100 or any other > > > > appropriate > > > > > > > pointer device) WHAT kind of pointer behaviour am I supposed to > > > > observe? > > > > > > > Petty quivering of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the flutter content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wide and relatively > > > > > > > slow fluctuation of pointer about some average value? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the wow content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the above? Unpredictable? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you see there's something wrong with Wow/Flutter (e.g. it's > > > > > > excessive) is > > > > > > > there any way to determine which moving part exactly causes this > > to > > > > be? > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > it possible to somehow judge whether it's deformed pinch roller, > > > > > > stretched > > > > > > > belt or beating of capstan shaft within the bearing? > > > > > > > > > > > > In turntables, the flutter comes from the motor. > > > > > > The wow comes from the idler, belt or platter > > > > > > bearing. In tape decks, I would suspect the more > > > > > > or less corresponding parts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The wow was usually linked either to the idler > > > > > > or platter speed and easily identified. Flutter > > > > > > reading was usually so erratic (if often showed > > > > > > up more like noise than a specific frequency) that > > > > > > it was often difficult to relate it to anything. > > > > > > However, when flutter reading was bad, cleaning > > > > > > and lubricating the motor after made a huge > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 20:58:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:58:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found References: <005701c0f96f$c373b4c0$193442cf@sank1> <3B319AF5.BAEB1BC4@sunint.co.za> <004d01c0fa75$95ded420$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <014001c0fa84$22d6bf60$193442cf@sank1> The Rotel RCD-855 was another very nice, CDM-4 based player. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > and FWIW, a rotel RCD-855 will also read CD-R's > > > erie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > George, hang onto the Philips CD850/2. This, I agree will outlive recent > Philips gear > > and many other machine of the same era / price range. By all accounts, > the original, > > all steel body CD850 (series 1) was an even better 'keep'. I don't know > about it > > reading CD-Rs though. > > > > The later 900 series were worth avoiding simply because of the looks. (My > eye for > > aesthetics is underdeveloped, but those were quite nasty to behold). > > > > Marc > > > > Marc > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > It's just old enough to positively NOT have the CDM-12(worst transport > ever > > > made). It has either a very nice CDM-9 or an even better CDM-4 > transport, > > > which both have single-beam radial arm tracking & a laser output of > about > > > 0.13-0.18mW. Great tracking & great reliability. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Valkov" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > I have a Philips CD850 MkII, which seems to read smoothly all kinds of > CDs > > > > incl. CD-Rs and very scratched CDs as well - any idea what sort of > laser > > > it > > > > has ? I bought it new around 1993-4. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > > > > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, > 240 & > > > > 151. Strange. > > > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that > earlier > > > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the > photodiode > > > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the > laser > > > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some > of > > > the > > > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > > unit, > > > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > > went > > > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, > step > > > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into > one, > > > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no > 90 > > > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages > 0.07-0.10mW. > > > On > > > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece > of > > > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is > needed > > > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > > slightly > > > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > I had posted a similar message two days back but it does not seem > to > > > have > > > > reached Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > Earlier you had pointed out that the laser output if increased > would > > > read > > > > CDR'. Does that mean my Denon DCD1400 player ( 12 years working) which > > > reads > > > > CDR without any problem has a healthy laser? > > > > > It has this KSS 152a laser. Incidently I received MCM catalogue by > mail > > > > and suprised to see that they are supplying spare parts for large > number > > > of > > > > Consumer electronic companies like Denon/ Philips /JVC/ Kenwood etc. > > > > > Kannan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:19 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It sounds like a flakey laser is the most likely scenario at this > > > point. > > > > > >Just looked through some parts catalogs & found the KSS-152 at MCM > ( > > > > > >http://www.mcmelectronics.com ) under stock # AS00003 for $27.50. > The > > > > > >KSS-150 is not compatible. You'll find that the 152 has a gear > > > > > >rack(straight, gear-toothed driving part) that is screwed onto the > > > > pickup > > > > > >body, whereas the 150 & most other Sony lasers have the gear rack > as > > > an > > > > > >integral molding. Also, the location of the rack is different. > To > > > > remove > > > > > >the laser, you just need to remove the chrome guide rail on the > > > > rack-side > > > > of > > > > > >the pickup, then tilt the laser out from below. You have to > transfer > > > > the > > > > > >gear rack to the new laser, and there is a solder-bridge shorting > > > jumper > > > > on > > > > > >the new laser that must be removed. The laser should come with a > > > piece > > > > of > > > > > >paper showing this jumper. As long as everything goes back > together > > > > > >smoothly, you should be done. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 21 21:04:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:04:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56C3@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <014601c0fa84$fad89960$193442cf@sank1> The T-100, as far as I know from use & from it's manuals, measures weighted or unweighted RMS peak w/f, as opposed to RMS average. The weighted mode is nearest to average RMS measurement. I have no idea what the mathematical formula is for deriving the average value, honestly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > Stephen, > > what exactly is to be considered as w/f PEAK value and w/f RMS value? For > example, Nak T100 Analyzer measures only peak values of w/f. Are there some > special w/f meters that measure RMS values? Is there any way to derive the > RMS value out of the peak one? Multiply it by SQRT(2)? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 21:34:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:34:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - anyone familiar with these components? Ru they an... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2001 8:07:25 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Sam, all I see is Denon's DVD-2800, is this what you mean? The 2800 is supposed to be denon's new flagship DVD player. As such, price is reasonable. Specs are impeccable. However, it has been beleaguered with serious problems since day one. First, while it looks good in the pictures, build quality is pretty low. Second, because they rushed it out to market, it is riddled with S/W bugs. If you intend to buy one of these beasts, be sure to get one with a black (or whatever the most recent color is) dot next to the serial number. There are dots of other colors, that denote players that they partially fixed, previous to the black dot ones. BTW, when first announced, this looked like the ultimate player for the next few years (well, couple of years, at lest). If it had a multi-disc transport, such as a 5 disc carousel, I would have bought one. -- Ron >> Hi Ron, Thank you for sharing your insights. Please forgive me as I didn't send the appropriate link. Here's the link and system I was referring to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247765340 Unique SemiPro Gold System! Sony, JVC, Denon Item # 1247765340 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 22 05:24:57 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:54:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <20010622032457.BE22B1DFCDF@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 22 06:12:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:12:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter References: <20010622032457.BE22B1DFCDF@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <01ce01c0fad1$7fb74540$193442cf@sank1> So far, I have never seen any grease problems in Sankyo transports, except for the flywheel bearings of the BX300/CR7/CR4/MR1 DD motors, which I have now seen maybe five times. I'm not sure there is any lub on the Sankyo pinch roller axles. Can't take them apart to check without destroying them to find out. Obviously none on the roller arm pivot shafts, and none is needed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > Stephen > This hardening grease was the reason for my 582' problem - originally I thought the problem was due to the capstan belt. However Sankyo mechanism do not show any grease on their pinch rollars/ or the rollar pivot arms . Am I right in my observation or do these mechanism also have grease on their pinch rollar shaft? > Have you noticed similar problem in these mechanisms like you have noticed on older nak mechanism - specifically wow/ flutter increase due to hardening grease? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter > > > >This may not be the answer, but could be. Very recently I ran into a case > >of a 700II with high w/f, despite having overhauled the motor, lub'd > >bearings, etc. Always looking for hardening grease on pinch roller shafts, > >but they spun freely when I spun them with my finger. After much > >frustration, it occured to me to see how the roller axles felt if I rolled > >them slowly with my finger while applying pressure. Discovered that the > >grease was hardening, but was only detectable with applied pressure. So, I > >had to partially un-rivet the pinch roller assemblies to get the axles out & > >clean away every last bit of the old grease & apply new silicone grease. > >Flutter dropped right down to below spec & stayed there. > >The only other thing that occurs to me is that the two flywheels, due to > >some remaining problem in the shaft bearings, are phasing in & out of a > >sympathetic vibration resonance. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jun 22 08:34:57 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:04:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Wow/Flutter Message-ID: <20010622063457.A39831E012F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 22 17:04:37 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:04:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] put in new laser...question Message-ID: Stephen, I received the laser and put it in last night. Everything went smoothly. However, it won't read that there is a cd in there....ie: it won't spin. If you watch the laser, the pickup moves up and down....but the laser must not be on. You said something about soldering something....I received no instructions or anything about that. I couldn't see anyplace where soldering needed to be done. Is this the reason it won't work right now? Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 22 20:28:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:28:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] put in new laser...question References: Message-ID: <025101c0fb49$20738580$193442cf@sank1> Yes, that would be the reason. Look for a blob of solder that has no component lead coming through it, which joins two circuit traces together. It will be oval or circular in shape & will be in a quite accessible area of the little circuit board on the laser. It may help to look at the old laser & look for the desoldered bridge point. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] put in new laser...question > Stephen, I received the laser and put it in last night. Everything went > smoothly. However, it won't read that there is a cd in there....ie: it > won't spin. If you watch the laser, the pickup moves up and down....but the > laser must not be on. You said something about soldering something....I > received no instructions or anything about that. I couldn't see anyplace > where soldering needed to be done. Is this the reason it won't work right > now? > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 22 23:16:28 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:16:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] put in new laser...question In-Reply-To: <025101c0fb49$20738580$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, thank you so much for your help with this issue. I think I speak for all of us when I say thanks for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge with the whole group at naktalk. It is very kind of you to 'help us help ourselves' with our toys. I can tell you that ya got a guy in Indiana who speaks your praises...trying to send you as much business as I can. Alex > Yes, that would be the reason. Look for a blob of solder that has no > component lead coming through it, which joins two circuit traces together. > It will be oval or circular in shape & will be in a quite > accessible area of > the little circuit board on the laser. It may help to look at > the old laser > & look for the desoldered bridge point. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 23 07:38:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:38:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... Message-ID: <2f.16ddc90d.28658539@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247899888 If you know anyone who's looking to build their first system on a limited budget, providing everything advertised is accurate this would make a nice system. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jun 23 08:27:38 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:27:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... References: <2f.16ddc90d.28658539@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B3436D9.D39A6FB0@sunint.co.za> No doubt about the material value of that set-up Sam. It just worries a bidder, I'm sure, that when this sort of thing is auctioned as having been "used very little", yet the CD drawer sticks and the cassette-well lid is missing, one has to wonder what sort of life it led. I have a truly horrible little Telerad CDP5500 CD player that was purchased in 1988(built in Taiwan), has never been opened and yet has seen heavy use, basically daily since then (and is a source of annoyance in a sense, in that it refuses to quietly shuffle off this mortal coil). It works well. It's no Meridian or Theta obviously!!! But, the drawer opens and shuts. These mechanical parts of the ReVox system which are exposed, and built to withstand normal levels of use have in all likliness been manhandled, maybe by a junior member of the family. And this perhaps says something about the values of the owner. I might be wrong of course, maybe the owner only had thumbs. This was put very eloquently across by a member of naktalk some time ago who went round to view a Ferrari that was for sale. Whe he looked inside he spied a kiddies chair strapped to the back seat. A dream for which he had been saving his entire life, was for another person, simply transport. Still, you could fix all the above, (and ignoring all my cynical contempt!!!!) for the money it's pretty amazing (bearing in mind, it is an auction..) Cheers, Marc SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247899888 > > If you know anyone who's looking to build their first system on a limited > budget, providing everything advertised is accurate this would make a nice > system. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From targowski at mediaone.net Sat Jun 23 15:34:47 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:34:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... In-Reply-To: <3B3436D9.D39A6FB0@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: The system is not for sale for $500. This is the highest bid, but it says reserve has not been met. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: Sat, June 23, 2001 1:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... No doubt about the material value of that set-up Sam. It just worries a bidder, I'm sure, that when this sort of thing is auctioned as having been "used very little", yet the CD drawer sticks and the cassette-well lid is missing, one has to wonder what sort of life it led. I have a truly horrible little Telerad CDP5500 CD player that was purchased in 1988(built in Taiwan), has never been opened and yet has seen heavy use, basically daily since then (and is a source of annoyance in a sense, in that it refuses to quietly shuffle off this mortal coil). It works well. It's no Meridian or Theta obviously!!! But, the drawer opens and shuts. These mechanical parts of the ReVox system which are exposed, and built to withstand normal levels of use have in all likliness been manhandled, maybe by a junior member of the family. And this perhaps says something about the values of the owner. I might be wrong of course, maybe the owner only had thumbs. This was put very eloquently across by a member of naktalk some time ago who went round to view a Ferrari that was for sale. Whe he looked inside he spied a kiddies chair strapped to the back seat. A dream for which he had been saving his entire life, was for another person, simply transport. Still, you could fix all the above, (and ignoring all my cynical contempt!!!!) for the money it's pretty amazing (bearing in mind, it is an auction..) Cheers, Marc SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247899888 If you know anyone who's looking to build their first system on a limited budget, providing everything advertised is accurate this would make a nice system. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 23 16:55:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:55:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... References: <2f.16ddc90d.28658539@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B34ADD3.6C499A7E@concentric.net> I wonder what it will eventually go for... I owned a B285 Receiver for 14 years. It's an excellent sounding receiver! On the down side, the tuner is an insensitive piece of sh#t -- 'mediocre' would be a compliment. In addition, the B285 is prone to losing the output *and* driver transistors on occasion, leading to an expensive repair -- the heat sink is inadequate. Mine never suffered this fate, because I was always very careful to provide sufficient cooling (forewarned is forearmed). I sold it for $620 about 4 years ago. The B291 TT is an excellent unit. Great sound, great single LP automation and great reliability. It doesn't compete with, say, an SME arm on a Garrard 401 TT, but very few TTs do. It's probably in the top 5% of its field. I own the B791, (which is the identical thing sans the remote control) and wish to hell the B291 was offered separately. I started to add remote control circuitry to my B791 a long time ago but never got around to finishing it. The missing plastic cover from the cassette player is a small thing. Certainly, does not imply that it was mistreated or heavily used. OTOH, a sticking CD drawer probably indicates a motor at the very end of its life -- you can bet your life that the seller (a dealer), tinkered with it, probably lubricated and such, and failed to fix. As to the claimed light use... It seems 90% of the stuff sold on ebay was lightly used and is in 'near mint' condition... Just ignore the claim. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1247899888 > > If you know anyone who's looking to build their first system on a limited > budget, providing everything advertised is accurate this would make a nice > system. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Jun 23 18:26:39 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:26:39 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi friends! Here is a question which is defenitely off-topic but I know that here is the best place to ask it :-) I have couple of old Dual TT. One is top-of-the-line 1219 from 1970 and another is simplier 1228 from 1974. 1219 works great but need some lubrication. 1228 works but automatic not working - won't move the arm. The rest is fine. So here is the questions: - any one has service manual for 1228 (or similar models)? - any one has expirience with Dual turntable which won't move the arm? Any solution or "first place to look at"? - what will be the best oil for lubrication of both? There is several lubrication points - plate bearing (shaft) and idler. I'm thinking about using something like silicone grease but another idea was to use some of good motor oil for it. Any ideas? Thanks! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 23 19:21:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:21:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <007d01c0b232$28e3caa0$aa3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B34D014.AA3E7663@concentric.net> Michael Mironov wrote: > > Hi friends! > > Here is a question which is defenitely off-topic > but I know that here is the best place to ask it :-) > I have couple of old Dual TT. One is top-of-the-line > 1219 from 1970 and another is simplier 1228 from 1974. > 1219 works great but need some lubrication. > 1228 works but automatic not working - won't move > the arm. The rest is fine. > So here is the questions: > - any one has service manual for 1228 (or similar models)? I used to service Dual TTs in the early 70s. I no longer have service manuals, except for the model 701 (the last Dual TT I actually owned). It won't help you with the 1228/1229, as adjustments and/or P/Ns were entirely different. > - any one has expirience with Dual turntable which won't move > the arm? Any solution or "first place to look at"? IIRC, the arm is moved through friction with a metal segment that is coupled to the main control cam. Assuming the segment movement is correct: if friction in the arm spindle is too high, the arm won't move (it will also ruin LPs if it plays at all). Friction in arm spindle should be as low as possible. Friction with metal segment must be higher, but still, very low. To Test: remove platter. Protect stylus. Trigger the auto cycle. Turn main control cam slowly by hand and verify why arm doesn't move. If the metal segment movement is insufficient (its pivot could be worn or it's binding), repair as necessary. If arm friction is too high: clean arm spindle thoroughly with MEK or similar. You may have to disassemble -- be sure to put everything back together in exact same order as before... There should be tiny (but finite) vertical play. Lubricate with a couple of drops of light machine oil. Clean the contact side of the metal segment and smear light grease. It's a good idea to also lubricate the horizontal arm pivot. A drop on each side is sufficient. > - what will be the best oil for lubrication of both? There is > several lubrication points - plate bearing (shaft) and idler. I used light machine oil (sewing machine oil, or #2 oil) for all pivots, light grease for surfaces and cam track. Silicon high viscosity fluid for arm dropping mechanism (only if necessary). The *last* thing you do before replacing platter is wash hands, then clean idler contact area with MEK or similar. Don't forget to very thoroughly clean inside of platter, along idler contact area. > I'm thinking about using something like silicone grease > but another idea was to use some of good motor oil for it. I think motor oil is too heavy. -- Ron > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Doesn't matter if the new foot is cylindrical or not, just that there is a nice, flat, 1mm thick contact area for proper "clutch" action. On, I think, the 1219 & 1228, there is a lever at the base of the arm area, near the antiskate setting dial, that has positions for "single" & "multi". This will also affect the motion clutch operation. If you look on the underside of the table, right below the pivot of the arm, and operate this lever, you will see what looks like a small, very fat, rubber idler tire, which holds pressure on two ball bearings that pop into notches in a shaft. The balls & notches provide the stop points for the single/multi arm height postioning. The rubber tire inevitably wears out or falls apart. Once it does, the plate involved with arm movement is not held in proper position, causing failure of auto movement of the arm, and if bad, will interfere with arm movement in general. The only way to replace this is to find a suitable VCR idler tire, or pair of tires bonded together, to fit. Needs to fit very tightly. If proper, the balls should snap right into each set of shaft notches at each lever position. As for lubrication, I use a medium weight silicone grease for the platter bearing & auto mechanism parts. A very thin layer of thick molybdenum grease on the arm motion clutch area of the big fat arm. "Prolong" oil, or a light, Teflon-carrying oil for the motor bearings & idler wheel bearing shaft. Sandpaper, then MEK or isopropyl alcohol for the idler wheel driving rim surface. And, yes, I've worked on hundreds of Dual tt's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question > Hi friends! > > Here is a question which is defenitely off-topic > but I know that here is the best place to ask it :-) > I have couple of old Dual TT. One is top-of-the-line > 1219 from 1970 and another is simplier 1228 from 1974. > 1219 works great but need some lubrication. > 1228 works but automatic not working - won't move > the arm. The rest is fine. > So here is the questions: > - any one has service manual for 1228 (or similar models)? > - any one has expirience with Dual turntable which won't move > the arm? Any solution or "first place to look at"? > - what will be the best oil for lubrication of both? There is > several lubrication points - plate bearing (shaft) and idler. > I'm thinking about using something like silicone grease > but another idea was to use some of good motor oil for it. > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jun 24 06:29:55 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:59:55 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... Message-ID: <20010624042955.D24171DFC9F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jun 24 09:46:53 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:46:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <3B34D014.AA3E7663@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Many many thanks! Misha >I used to service Dual TTs in the early 70s. I no *** >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jun 24 09:52:56 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:52:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <035001c0fc4b$1c9ef4a0$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, >The failure of arm movement is due to the wearing out of a little, >cylindrical rubber "foot" that is on a post sticking down from a plate >attached to the tonearm. That was exactly the reason! The main problem was to find it - since rubber "foot"was simply destroyed and I had no idea how it should work - just a metal puzzle :-) Now it works and I'm going to put some lube on it. What is your overall opinion about those older Duals? Thanks a lot! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 24 10:22:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:22:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <035001c0fc4b$1c9ef4a0$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <03b001c0fc86$c77c4040$193442cf@sank1> I've always liked the old 12xx series Dual tt's. To me, any table that has a platter that goes "thud", when you try to ring it like a gong, has to be at least a respectable table. And the whole series had quite decent tonearms. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT service question > Hi Stephen, > > >The failure of arm movement is due to the wearing out of a little, > >cylindrical rubber "foot" that is on a post sticking down from a plate > >attached to the tonearm. > > That was exactly the reason! The main problem was to find it - since > rubber "foot"was simply destroyed and I had no idea how it should > work - just a metal puzzle :-) > Now it works and I'm going to put some lube on it. > > What is your overall opinion about those older Duals? > > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jun 24 12:24:03 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:24:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <03b001c0fc86$c77c4040$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen! I like those Duals too. What I'm not like in it - the head mounting system. Misha >I've always liked the old 12xx series Dual tt's. To me, any table that has >a platter that goes "thud", when you try to ring it like a gong, has to be >at least a respectable table. And the whole series had quite decent >tonearms. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jun 24 17:18:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:18:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hardto believe... References: <20010624042955.D24171DFC9F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B3604DA.3FBD3FC8@concentric.net> I did in-warranty service for ReVox for a short while. I was always impressed with their excellent build quality. The design reflects their Swiss origin: layout is always orderly and construction is not just high quality but also exact and very neat. They are a pleasure to work on. I cannot compare to Nakamichi products -- I have only seen the inside of the 582 and CR-7. However, even though the CR-7 is generally well laid out, you will not find the mess of wiring at the CR-7 capstan motor board in *any* ReVox I have seen. OTOH, there were some silly QC issues. I remember B77s that had the line wiring reversed. The decks didn't work, right out of the box, but were dangerous to plug to power outlet... There were some design issues -- I mentioned the undersized heat sinks in the B285 and heatsinking both driver and output transistors to the same heatsink wasn't very smart, either. I am not familiar with current ReVox products. IMHO, No Revox cassette deck matched the CR-7 sound quality. The B285, as good as it was, didn't sound quite as good as my current Denon AVP-8000 (in 2 channel mode) and the tuner section wasn't even comparable. ReVox TTs (even though unmatched in convenience and automation) do not offer the level of detail of several TT/arm combinations. The same can be said for CD players. All these competing products cost no more than the ReVox counterparts, or even less. I am sure there are ReVox aficionados that will disagree with me -- these are strictly my personal opinions. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Nice Ron > to hear your experience with some Revoxes. > >From my obsevations here in this forum; Revox had a very good build quality as for as mchanical parts / ( probably good magnetic heads as well)drives etc. How do you rate their electronics vis a vis Nakamichi or for that matter many high end products Revox competes with. I am interested to elicit same from others as well - specifically aimed at Ron because of his electronic design insights. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, June 23, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Nice Revox system for $500 - hard to believe... > > > > >I wonder what it will eventually go for... > > > >I owned a B285 Receiver for 14 years. It's an excellent > >sounding receiver! On the down side, the tuner is an > >insensitive piece of sh#t -- 'mediocre' would be a > >compliment. In addition, the B285 is prone to losing > >the output *and* driver transistors on occasion, > >leading to an expensive repair -- the heat sink is > >inadequate. Mine never suffered this fate, because I > >was always very careful to provide sufficient cooling > >(forewarned is forearmed). I sold it for $620 about 4 > >years ago. > > > >The B291 TT is an excellent unit. Great sound, great > >single LP automation and great reliability. It doesn't > >compete with, say, an SME arm on a Garrard 401 TT, > >but very few TTs do. It's probably in the top 5% of > >its field. I own the B791, (which is the identical > >thing sans the remote control) and wish to hell the > >B291 was offered separately. I started to add remote > >control circuitry to my B791 a long time ago but > >never got around to finishing it. > > > >The missing plastic cover from the cassette player is > >a small thing. Certainly, does not imply that it was > >mistreated or heavily used. OTOH, a sticking CD drawer > >probably indicates a motor at the very end of its life > >-- you can bet your life that the seller (a dealer), > >tinkered with it, probably lubricated and such, and > >failed to fix. > > > >As to the claimed light use... It seems 90% of the > >stuff sold on ebay was lightly used and is in 'near > >mint' condition... Just ignore the claim. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Jun 25 12:10:42 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:10:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox References: <20010625033315.991581DFB4E@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0fd5f$17fc8740$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > >some design issues -- I mentioned the undersized > >heat sinks in the B285 and heatsinking both driver > >and output transistors to the same heatsink wasn't > >very smart, either. It can be a part of the design. Getting all junctions of driver and output transistors on the same temperature can avoid some stability or bias current issues.... Revox engineers are smart, but the Nakamichi people did more research in head design and production and the silent and vibraless mechanic transport meganism. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Mon Jun 25 13:29:33 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:29:33 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question Message-ID: <200106251129.f5PBTUT24724@ad.md> Hello, Misha try this: http://www.compassnet.com/concept/ & http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Troubles/Troubmn.htm -it's a good Dual source. i have myself a 1228, but i do not use it too often because it is so damn easy to disturb the right cartridge & tonearm settings. take care, Marin > Hi friends! > > Here is a question which is defenitely off-topic > but I know that here is the best place to ask it :-) > I have couple of old Dual TT. One is top-of-the-line > 1219 from 1970 and another is simplier 1228 from 1974. > 1219 works great but need some lubrication. > 1228 works but automatic not working - won't move > the arm. The rest is fine. > So here is the questions: > - any one has service manual for 1228 (or similar models)? > - any one has expirience with Dual turntable which won't move > the arm? Any solution or "first place to look at"? > - what will be the best oil for lubrication of both? There is > several lubrication points - plate bearing (shaft) and idler. > I'm thinking about using something like silicone grease > but another idea was to use some of good motor oil for it. > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 25 16:42:48 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:42:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Planned obsolescence Message-ID: <3B374DE8.93FB9FE9@sunint.co.za> Ron wrote...... .......Computers change so fast that people replace old drives with newer, faster and more capable ones, even when the old drive is still running well. In this environment, it makes no sense to pay for a drive that lasts forever..... ************ Very good point Ron. Cheers. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 25 16:58:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:58:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox References: <20010625033315.991581DFB4E@webmail.vsnl.com> <000f01c0fd5f$17fc8740$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3B3751A5.3A4C28F3@concentric.net> Maurits wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox > > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > >some design issues -- I mentioned the undersized > > >heat sinks in the B285 and heatsinking both driver > > >and output transistors to the same heatsink wasn't > > >very smart, either. > > It can be a part of the design. Getting all junctions of driver and > output transistors on the same temperature can avoid some stability > or bias current issues.... I agree that it's a good idea to keep both driver transistors at the same temperature, to maintain correct operating point balance of the push-pull circuit. But mounting them on the same heatsink as the output transistors simply amounts to heating them up. That's *not* a good idea (once a driver transistor goes, it is guaranteed to take the other driver and both power transistors with it). I suspect they did this to achieve an 'elegant' mechanical design. There was a fellow (IIRC, in Nashville, Tennessee), that made good money in 'upgrading' the unit by adding cooling. > Revox engineers are smart, but the Nakamichi people did more research > in head design and production and the silent and vibraless mechanic > transport meganism. Even though ReVox can be criticized, they made at the time some of the best r-t-r transports in the world. Their Studer consoles were highly admired (at $50K, in 1970 dollars). And, the B77 is still considered an excellent deck, to this day. I think Nakamichi's great contribution was specifically in the cassette medium. They faced (and solved) problems that didn't even exist for the 1/4" r-t-r designers. -- Ron > > Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jun 25 17:36:57 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:36:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! Message-ID: Many thanks to Mr. Sank for the laser advice. I de-soldered the bridge, and it works like new. No skipping at all. So, since this player needed a new laser....was this something that could have been caused during shipping? If you remember, the seller said it played fine before he shipped it to me. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jun 25 17:53:29 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:53:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! References: Message-ID: <3B375E79.FCE07F49@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > Many thanks to Mr. Sank for the laser advice. I de-soldered the bridge, and > it works like new. No skipping at all. So, since this player needed a new > laser....was this something that could have been caused during shipping? If > you remember, the seller said it played fine before he shipped it to me. > > Alex Cagann > I lost only one laser, on a Pioneer LD player. It worked fine, until I switched it on one day and it wouldn't spin up. At least in this one case, it simply died with no warning. Even if this is not the usual failure mode, my experience proved that spontaneous failure is possible. Seems to me there is no way to prove your seller was lying. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 25 19:55:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:55:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! References: Message-ID: <005e01c0fd9f$f6062880$973442cf@sank1> With the diffraction grating being well-glued into place & there being so little mass to a KSS-152, I'm quite sure I could drop the pick-up itself five feet onto a concrete floor & have it still work perfectly. So, it seems impossible to me that it's anything but spontaneous failure, provided the seller was truthful. It's about the only failure mode on these lasers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! > Many thanks to Mr. Sank for the laser advice. I de-soldered the bridge, and > it works like new. No skipping at all. So, since this player needed a new > laser....was this something that could have been caused during shipping? If > you remember, the seller said it played fine before he shipped it to me. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jun 25 20:22:04 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:22:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! References: <005e01c0fd9f$f6062880$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B37814B.5E0EE202@snet.net> Are most laser replacements as simple as a drop in and play procedure? I had always been under the impression that a full alignment was needed as well (a digital equivalent to replacing heads in a tape deck). I literally had a pile of CD players that I suspected to be bad lasers. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > With the diffraction grating being well-glued into place & there being so > little mass to a KSS-152, I'm quite sure I could drop the pick-up itself > five feet onto a concrete floor & have it still work perfectly. So, it > seems impossible to me that it's anything but spontaneous failure, provided > the seller was truthful. It's about the only failure mode on these lasers. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! > > > Many thanks to Mr. Sank for the laser advice. I de-soldered the bridge, > and > > it works like new. No skipping at all. So, since this player needed a > new > > laser....was this something that could have been caused during shipping? > If > > you remember, the seller said it played fine before he shipped it to me. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jun 25 21:37:23 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:37:23 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <200106251129.f5PBTUT24724@ad.md> Message-ID: Hi Marin, Many thanks! The problem already solved but I really like this Dual site! Misha >Hello, Misha > >try this: > >http://www.compassnet.com/concept/ > >& > >http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Troubles/Troubmn.htm > > >-it's a good Dual source. >i have myself a 1228, but i do not use it too often because it is so >damn easy to disturb the right cartridge & tonearm settings. > > >take care, > >Marin ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 26 04:33:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:33:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! References: <005e01c0fd9f$f6062880$973442cf@sank1> <3B37814B.5E0EE202@snet.net> Message-ID: <006a01c0fde8$6241e6e0$973442cf@sank1> I would say that about 30-40 percent of laser replacements in CD players are virtually "drop in" jobs, provided the player was adjusted properly in the first place. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] D105-works! > Are most laser replacements as simple as a drop in and play procedure? I had always > been under the impression that a full alignment was needed as well (a digital > equivalent to replacing heads in a tape deck). I literally had a pile of CD players > that I suspected to be bad lasers. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > With the diffraction grating being well-glued into place & there being so > > little mass to a KSS-152, I'm quite sure I could drop the pick-up itself > > five feet onto a concrete floor & have it still work perfectly. So, it > > seems impossible to me that it's anything but spontaneous failure, provided > > the seller was truthful. It's about the only failure mode on these lasers. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:36 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] D105-works! > > > > > Many thanks to Mr. Sank for the laser advice. I de-soldered the bridge, > > and > > > it works like new. No skipping at all. So, since this player needed a > > new > > > laser....was this something that could have been caused during shipping? > > If > > > you remember, the seller said it played fine before he shipped it to me. > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jun 26 04:28:15 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:28:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT service question References: <200106251129.f5PBTUT24724@ad.md> Message-ID: <3B37F33E.AF11B83B@snet.net> It is a great site that I discovered a while back... be sure to check out some of the old ads and literature... I'd love to see the same sort of thing on the Nak site (although it is very bandwidth intensive). Ed Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Marin, > > Many thanks! The problem already solved but I really like this Dual site! > > Misha > > >Hello, Misha > > > >try this: > > > >http://www.compassnet.com/concept/ > > > >& > > > >http://www.compassnet.com/concept/Troubles/Troubmn.htm > > > > > >-it's a good Dual source. > >i have myself a 1228, but i do not use it too often because it is so > >damn easy to disturb the right cartridge & tonearm settings. > > > > > >take care, > > > >Marin > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 26 08:54:48 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:54:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter References: <20010626051029.855B41E4E5D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <02ec01c0fe0c$e41025a0$65ed3fd0@oemcomputer> more interestingly who is the seller note the comments "I was the DSP designer on the Bidat" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter > One Museatex D/A Converter on sale at ebay! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249977977 > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Jun 26 14:17:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:17:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox 710 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56C7@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, how would you rate Revox 710 generally and against 215 in particular? Thanks Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jun 26 15:17:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:17:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox References: <20010626032958.7A4C41DFCFD@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B388B57.F07F4B7C@concentric.net> An Elcaset machine was displayed at my favorite Audio hangout, when they first came out. What I saw was a compact cassette that was no longer compact, but still with time limitation. Even though it used 1/4" tape, sound wasn't better that my Nak 700. Can't remember the price, but it wasn't cheap. Everybody else oohed and aahed, saying that this was the ultimate tape format -- me, I wasn't interested. This was the only elcaset machine I ever heard. To my mild surprise, it turned out I was right. It never took off the ground. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > One of the great issues with Cassette was to place the heads in to the shell ( with such small opening ) and devising control of tape tension. Elcaset is supposed to solve that problem along with slow speed issues of cassette medium. If that medium were given Nak treatment; elcaset would have seriously challenged Spool recorders. > Alas it did not survive long? > Anybody heared this medium and can give a comparison? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > > >Maurits wrote: > > > > >> Revox engineers are smart, but the Nakamichi people did more research > >> in head design and production and the silent and vibraless mechanic > >> transport meganism. > > > >Even though ReVox can be criticized, they made at > >the time some of the best r-t-r transports in the > >world. Their Studer consoles were highly admired > >(at $50K, in 1970 dollars). And, the B77 is still > >considered an excellent deck, to this day. > > > >I think Nakamichi's great contribution was > >specifically in the cassette medium. They faced > >(and solved) problems that didn't even exist for > >the 1/4" r-t-r designers. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 26 20:06:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:06:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter References: <20010626051029.855B41E4E5D@webmail.vsnl.com> <02ec01c0fe0c$e41025a0$65ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <012e01c0fe6a$c8555d40$973442cf@sank1> The seller, "banff", is Robert Gendron, who was on Ed Meitner's design team at Museatex. Really nice guy. And, yes, the BiDAT is my favourite DAC. Still haven't heard anything better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter > more interestingly who is the seller note the comments > "I was the DSP designer on the Bidat" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter > > > > One Museatex D/A Converter on sale at ebay! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249977977 > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jun 26 20:28:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:28:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen' favourite - Museatex Bidat D/A Converter References: <20010626051029.855B41E4E5D@webmail.vsnl.com> <02ec01c0fe0c$e41025a0$65ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <012e01c0fe6a$c8555d40$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B38D43D.59F1FA9A@earthlink.net> I still haven't heard the BiDAT but Jerry Ozment's Audio Logic 2400 and Thor DAC are my current favs. I'd love to hear all three, side by side! Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The seller, "banff", is Robert Gendron, who was on Ed Meitner's design team > at Museatex. Really nice guy. > And, yes, the BiDAT is my favourite DAC. Still haven't heard anything > better. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 27 00:18:37 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:18:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: Message-ID: <029701c0fe8d$f352d630$9865fea9@D9569601> I use a pair of CR7 decks, a zx9, and a zx7; they are all wonderful. The zx7 is cheaper to maintain over the long haul due to the belts rather than direct drive motors. Mr Sank is a better authority than I, however. I'd rather have a pair of zx7 decks long term than the others. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Hi, > > Just wondering what is everyone's opinion about the ZX-7? I think there was > a discussion recently about the ZX-9 but is the ZX-7 any good? Would this be > preferred over the BX-300 and CR-4? By the way, anyone know what's happened > to Carlos? Not heard from him for some time on naktalk and miss his > contribution. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 27 02:37:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:37:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <029701c0fe8d$f352d630$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <018a01c0fea1$51a484a0$973442cf@sank1> On sound, I think the CR-7 is the clear winner, with "clear" being the appropriate adverb for the manner of it's superiority. On long haul durability, though, as I've said before, I give the ZX-9 the laurels. I will find out soon, though, if remedying the ZX-9's ridiculously long & circuitous signal wiring pathways will give the ZX-9(& ZX-7) the sonic leg up over the CR-7. I'm sure that the excessive wire lengths have a lot to do with it, but won't know how much until I've actually dealt with it. I had talked about this modification previously, but had not started on it, due to the client deciding to have me do upgrades to his 700ZXL first. The results I get will be applicable quite equally to the ZX-7, since absolutely the only difference between the ZX-7 & 9 is belt vs direct drive. And what I will say about that is that the belt in the ZX-7 needs replacement much more often, and the belt specs & condition are much more critical to proper tape handling than the ZX-9's flywheel coupling belt. And I have yet to see any bearing wear problems in either drive type, whereas I am starting to see cases of bearing wear affecting performance in CR-7's, which use the Sankyo version of the ZX-9's motor system. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > I use a pair of CR7 decks, a zx9, and a zx7; they are all wonderful. The > zx7 is cheaper to maintain over the long haul due to the belts rather than > direct drive motors. Mr Sank is a better authority than I, however. I'd > rather have a pair of zx7 decks long term than the others. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Hi, > > > > Just wondering what is everyone's opinion about the ZX-7? I think there > was > > a discussion recently about the ZX-9 but is the ZX-7 any good? Would this > be > > preferred over the BX-300 and CR-4? By the way, anyone know what's > happened > > to Carlos? Not heard from him for some time on naktalk and miss his > > contribution. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 05:43:47 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:43:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox References: <20010626032958.7A4C41DFCFD@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B388B57.F07F4B7C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B395673.AE659EFF@yahoo.com> Seeing as you nak nuts are so interested in Revoxes I should tell you that I have a B215 selling on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249399210 See Ya Javier Ron wrote: > > An Elcaset machine was displayed at my favorite Audio > hangout, when they first came out. What I saw was a > compact cassette that was no longer compact, but still > with time limitation. Even though it used 1/4" tape, > sound wasn't better that my Nak 700. Can't remember > the price, but it wasn't cheap. Everybody else oohed > and aahed, saying that this was the ultimate tape > format -- me, I wasn't interested. > > This was the only elcaset machine I ever heard. To my > mild surprise, it turned out I was right. It never > took off the ground. > > -- Ron > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > One of the great issues with Cassette was to place the heads in to the shell ( with such small opening ) and devising control of tape tension. Elcaset is supposed to solve that problem along with slow speed issues of cassette medium. If that medium were given Nak treatment; elcaset would have seriously challenged Spool recorders. > > Alas it did not survive long? > > Anybody heared this medium and can give a comparison? > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > > > >Maurits wrote: > > > > > > > >> Revox engineers are smart, but the Nakamichi people did more research > > >> in head design and production and the silent and vibraless mechanic > > >> transport meganism. > > > > > >Even though ReVox can be criticized, they made at > > >the time some of the best r-t-r transports in the > > >world. Their Studer consoles were highly admired > > >(at $50K, in 1970 dollars). And, the B77 is still > > >considered an excellent deck, to this day. > > > > > >I think Nakamichi's great contribution was > > >specifically in the cassette medium. They faced > > >(and solved) problems that didn't even exist for > > >the 1/4" r-t-r designers. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 27 05:48:52 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:18:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <20010627034852.9E06F1DFB15@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jun 27 05:54:52 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:54:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <20010627034852.9E06F1DFB15@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B395908.4846F171@snet.net> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Dragon based on the Sankyo type mechanism as well? Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Yeah > here is classic old vs new mechanism question. Rather than any new Sankyo transport machines excluding CR7 ( because of its record/ replay abilities) I would prefer older type ZX7/ZX9 just for its mechanism alone. > But when I see the prices of ZX9 at ebay ( it seems very popular and gets fantastic bids) If you are in US, you can get a Dragon around the same price or slightly more which is definitely superior to ZX9. But ZX7 - the poor cousin of ZX9 gets only half the bid of Zx9 - I am surprised considering its azimuth/ level /bias manual adjustment feature with a classic mechanism. > > If what Stephen feels about long and complex wiring is true, I feel ZX9' popularity is worthy. Somehow I feel the auto calibration feature of CR7 can not be beaten. > Probably only Stephen can tune ZX9 or for that matter any Nak to perform to its potential. > I am eagerly awiting his feed back on 700zxl mod. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > >On sound, I think the CR-7 is the clear winner, with "clear" being the > >appropriate adverb for the manner of it's superiority. On long haul > >durability, though, as I've said before, I give the ZX-9 the laurels. I > >will find out soon, though, if remedying the ZX-9's ridiculously long & > >circuitous signal wiring pathways will give the ZX-9(& ZX-7) the sonic leg > >up over the CR-7. I'm sure that the excessive wire lengths have a lot to do > >with it, but won't know how much until I've actually dealt with it. I had > >talked about this modification previously, but had not started on it, due to > >the client deciding to have me do upgrades to his 700ZXL first. The results > >I get will be applicable quite equally to the ZX-7, since absolutely the > >only difference between the ZX-7 & 9 is belt vs direct drive. And what I > >will say about that is that the belt in the ZX-7 needs replacement much more > >often, and the belt specs & condition are much more critical to proper tape > >handling than the ZX-9's flywheel coupling belt. And I have yet to see any > >bearing wear problems in either drive type, whereas I am starting to see > >cases of bearing wear affecting performance in CR-7's, which use the Sankyo > >version of the ZX-9's motor system. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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U would think folks who are into recording would get a little emotional after reading this story. http://www.chezmarianne.com/bholland/words/vault.html Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 27 10:05:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 02:05:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <20010627034852.9E06F1DFB15@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <022d01c0fedf$f1734780$973442cf@sank1> Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote about the 700ZXL upgrades: To: Stephen Sank Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month ago I think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about 70-80 hours of break in time on it. First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with a much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I could not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for the car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve Sank incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down and listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my Orbe turntable to my Nak. Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with more of a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. The bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In short more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much less distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the source and the tape very noticeably. Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck will outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete in the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in almost all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since the tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a high quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA jacks alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says alot. Highly Recommended+++ John M Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Yeah > here is classic old vs new mechanism question. Rather than any new Sankyo transport machines excluding CR7 ( because of its record/ replay abilities) I would prefer older type ZX7/ZX9 just for its mechanism alone. > But when I see the prices of ZX9 at ebay ( it seems very popular and gets fantastic bids) If you are in US, you can get a Dragon around the same price or slightly more which is definitely superior to ZX9. But ZX7 - the poor cousin of ZX9 gets only half the bid of Zx9 - I am surprised considering its azimuth/ level /bias manual adjustment feature with a classic mechanism. > > If what Stephen feels about long and complex wiring is true, I feel ZX9' popularity is worthy. Somehow I feel the auto calibration feature of CR7 can not be beaten. > Probably only Stephen can tune ZX9 or for that matter any Nak to perform to its potential. > I am eagerly awiting his feed back on 700zxl mod. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > >On sound, I think the CR-7 is the clear winner, with "clear" being the > >appropriate adverb for the manner of it's superiority. On long haul > >durability, though, as I've said before, I give the ZX-9 the laurels. I > >will find out soon, though, if remedying the ZX-9's ridiculously long & > >circuitous signal wiring pathways will give the ZX-9(& ZX-7) the sonic leg > >up over the CR-7. I'm sure that the excessive wire lengths have a lot to do > >with it, but won't know how much until I've actually dealt with it. I had > >talked about this modification previously, but had not started on it, due to > >the client deciding to have me do upgrades to his 700ZXL first. The results > >I get will be applicable quite equally to the ZX-7, since absolutely the > >only difference between the ZX-7 & 9 is belt vs direct drive. And what I > >will say about that is that the belt in the ZX-7 needs replacement much more > >often, and the belt specs & condition are much more critical to proper tape > >handling than the ZX-9's flywheel coupling belt. And I have yet to see any > >bearing wear problems in either drive type, whereas I am starting to see > >cases of bearing wear affecting performance in CR-7's, which use the Sankyo > >version of the ZX-9's motor system. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jun 27 10:02:33 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:02:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: Message-ID: <3B399319.B086D171@sunint.co.za> I heard that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 were limited editions, and that they would therefore rate as collectors decks (I confess to being a collector, limited or not). I also heard that the ZX-9 was very highly tuned, although don't know what that might mean. Perhaps the PB head is EQ'd more...... I further heard, not from any particular authority that I remember, that the ZX-9 and perhaps the ZX-7 also are capable of delivering frequencies up to 30 000hz. But what would attract me mainly, if either of them came my way, would be the handsome appearance and the fact that they were, I think, built before any outsourcing of manufacture went outside Japan. I'm presuming the mechanisms were Nakamichis as well. Whe it comes to Nakamichi's, I feel like Oliver Twist...."Please Sir, I want some more....." That's a good point, haven't heard from Carlos for a while, to come to think of it, not since Ms Puerto Rico won the Ms Universe title in her own home town. Not a peep !!!!!!!! Marc winnie pooh wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondering what is everyone's opinion about the ZX-7? I think there was > a discussion recently about the ZX-9 but is the ZX-7 any good? Would this be > preferred over the BX-300 and CR-4? By the way, anyone know what's happened > to Carlos? Not heard from him for some time on naktalk and miss his > contribution. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jun 27 11:01:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 05:01:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/27/2001 3:04:27 AM Central Daylight Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << That's a good point, haven't heard from Carlos for a while, to come to think of it, not since Ms Puerto Rico won the Ms Universe title in her own home town. Not a peep !!!!!!!! Marc >> Maybe he's ah, shall we say busy...if you know what I mean(laughing) I too miss Carlos' posts. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 27 13:19:22 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:19:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox 710 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56C7@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002401c0fefb$1c498300$ba2f2ac4@coqui.net> The B-215 is a Hot Rod version of the old and trusty B-710 MK II. The B 215 is better in all aspects and if you are interested in it, be sure that it's the MK II version and not the original one. Best, Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Revox 710 > Guys, > > how would you rate Revox 710 generally and against 215 in particular? > > Thanks > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:17 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Revox 710 > > > > Guys, > > > > how would you rate Revox 710 generally and against 215 in particular? > > > > Thanks > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jun 27 15:23:58 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:53:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod Message-ID: <20010627132358.7D93C1DFDA2@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 27 15:59:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:59:09 -0400 Subject: 700ZXL uggrade (Was Re: [naktalk] ZX-7) References: <20010627034852.9E06F1DFB15@webmail.vsnl.com> <022d01c0fedf$f1734780$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B39E6AD.200DB8B1@concentric.net> Stephen, I can't find a back post where you describe the 700ZXL upgrades. Would you briefly list what you did to it to produce such remarkable results? TIA, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote about the > 700ZXL upgrades: > > To: Stephen Sank > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month ago I > think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about 70-80 > hours of break in time on it. > First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with a > much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I could > not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for the > car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve Sank > incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down and > listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my Orbe > turntable to my Nak. > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The > highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with more of > a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. The > bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In short > more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much less > distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the > source and the tape very noticeably. > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or > higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck will > outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete in > the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and > smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in almost > all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since the > tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified > Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a high > quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA jacks > alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the > performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says alot. > Highly Recommended+++ > John M > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > Yeah > > here is classic old vs new mechanism question. Rather than any new Sankyo > transport machines excluding CR7 ( because of its record/ replay abilities) > I would prefer older type ZX7/ZX9 just for its mechanism alone. > > But when I see the prices of ZX9 at ebay ( it seems very popular and gets > fantastic bids) If you are in US, you can get a Dragon around the same price > or slightly more which is definitely superior to ZX9. But ZX7 - the poor > cousin of ZX9 gets only half the bid of Zx9 - I am surprised considering its > azimuth/ level /bias manual adjustment feature with a classic mechanism. > > > > If what Stephen feels about long and complex wiring is true, I feel ZX9' > popularity is worthy. Somehow I feel the auto calibration feature of CR7 can > not be beaten. > > Probably only Stephen can tune ZX9 or for that matter any Nak to perform > to its potential. > > I am eagerly awiting his feed back on 700zxl mod. > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > >On sound, I think the CR-7 is the clear winner, with "clear" being the > > >appropriate adverb for the manner of it's superiority. On long haul > > >durability, though, as I've said before, I give the ZX-9 the laurels. I > > >will find out soon, though, if remedying the ZX-9's ridiculously long & > > >circuitous signal wiring pathways will give the ZX-9(& ZX-7) the sonic > leg > > >up over the CR-7. I'm sure that the excessive wire lengths have a lot to > do > > >with it, but won't know how much until I've actually dealt with it. I > had > > >talked about this modification previously, but had not started on it, due > to > > >the client deciding to have me do upgrades to his 700ZXL first. The > results > > >I get will be applicable quite equally to the ZX-7, since absolutely the > > >only difference between the ZX-7 & 9 is belt vs direct drive. And what I > > >will say about that is that the belt in the ZX-7 needs replacement much > more > > >often, and the belt specs & condition are much more critical to proper > tape > > >handling than the ZX-9's flywheel coupling belt. And I have yet to see > any > > >bearing wear problems in either drive type, whereas I am starting to see > > >cases of bearing wear affecting performance in CR-7's, which use the > Sankyo > > >version of the ZX-9's motor system. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jun 27 21:27:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:27:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod References: <20010627132358.7D93C1DFDA2@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <02b701c0ff3f$3e712980$973442cf@sank1> Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb signal path with OP275. 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of coupling caps where possible. 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal path stages with styrenes. 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due to budget limits), including input amps. 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 silver/copper mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and no overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord connector. I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. May not sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! And, of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > I can belive it! > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? or some other magic? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote about the > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > >To: Stephen Sank > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month ago I > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about 70-80 > >hours of break in time on it. > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with a > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I could > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for the > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve Sank > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down and > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my Orbe > >turntable to my Nak. > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with more of > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. The > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In short > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much less > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck will > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete in > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in almost > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since the > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a high > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA jacks > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says alot. > >Highly Recommended+++ > >John M > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jun 27 22:37:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:37:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod References: <20010627132358.7D93C1DFDA2@webmail.vsnl.com> <02b701c0ff3f$3e712980$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B3A4407.59166A95@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb signal > path with OP275. > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > coupling caps where possible. > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal > path stages with styrenes. > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due > to budget limits), including input amps. > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 silver/copper > mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and no > overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > connector. > > I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. May not > sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! No, it does sound like a lot of work. Also, I suspect (from the large number of new components) that component cost was fairly significant. -- Ron > And, of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > I can belive it! > > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? or some > other magic? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote about > the > > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > > > >To: Stephen Sank > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month ago > I > > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about 70-80 > > >hours of break in time on it. > > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with a > > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I could > > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for the > > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve Sank > > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down and > > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my > Orbe > > >turntable to my Nak. > > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The > > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with more > of > > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. The > > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In > short > > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much less > > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the > > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or > > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck will > > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete > in > > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and > > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in > almost > > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since the > > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified > > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a > high > > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA > jacks > > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the > > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says > alot. > > >Highly Recommended+++ > > >John M > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Jun 28 00:38:54 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:38:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod Message-ID: <23.da483c8.286bba7e@aol.com> I am going to concur w/ John's mod 700 ZXL review. I too have done all the mentioned mods sans the power cord (which I would like to have done in the future) on my deck & have heard the same results when compared to reel decks. Basically took a non-working 700ZXL purchased off e-Bay, (original seller's ad copy said the deck was mint, but that's another whole story) sent it to Stephen, and he made it into a world class deck. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 28 15:09:23 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:09:23 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, I must have missed something at the time, when the "orange film cap disease" was discussed, but what's exactly the problem with them? Do they go bad with time or are they generally bad for the "music"? Thanks Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jun 28 15:18:59 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:48:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod Message-ID: <20010628131859.435B01DFC5D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jun 28 15:35:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:05:32 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] - orange caps Message-ID: <20010628133532.62A271E01A1@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 28 15:52:11 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:52:11 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CE@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Very, very impressive, must be said. All this simply makes me strive for perfecting my own 700 TriTracer in the way described. Wouldn't it be sort of cheeking up, if I'd ask you, Stephen, to work out some of the steps in details? I would like to have some more details to the steps 1, 3, 4 & 5, as I'm now very eager to get down to work. Which values of bypassing caps would you recommend? Why bypassing, not replacing? Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb > signal > path with OP275. > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > coupling caps where possible. > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal > path stages with styrenes. > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due > to budget limits), including input amps. > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 > silver/copper > mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and > no > overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > connector. > > I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. May > not > sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! > And, > of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > I can belive it! > > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? or > some > other magic? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote > about > the > > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > > > >To: Stephen Sank > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month > ago > I > > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about > 70-80 > > >hours of break in time on it. > > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with > a > > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I > could > > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for > the > > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve > Sank > > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down > and > > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my > Orbe > > >turntable to my Nak. > > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The > > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with > more > of > > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. > The > > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In > short > > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much > less > > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the > > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or > > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck > will > > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete > in > > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and > > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in > almost > > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since > the > > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified > > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a > high > > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA > jacks > > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the > > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says > alot. > > >Highly Recommended+++ > > >John M > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jun 28 16:14:32 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:14:32 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] - orange caps Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks, Kannan! An acquaintance of mine used to own a Dragon, which NAAC was malfunctioning in the vicinity of a TV or Mobile phone! He ended up being so disappointed that he sold his monster... Do you think it was Orange cap? One question still remains unanswered: what's BASICALLY wrong with those Orange caps? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:36 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - orange caps > > Nick > If you find that Tone oscillator/ bias oscillator/ Dolby circuit is not > working or behaving strangely( in any old Naks) or bias trap is leaking > more/ record amp behaves funnily - probably the orange cap in those > circuit would be the ones causing them. My Dragon' auto azimuth circuit > was malfunctioning because of one Orange cap! So first check just by > replacing them with green Panosonic polyuester ones ( or red/ orange > Philipps caps in some cases of mine). If you measure the orange cap after > removal using DMM it would be allright in its value, But the minute you > change them - you find circuit works allright! > > But they go bad after time as I find lot of them in BX1/BX300/ CR7 and > ZX9!. Just to avoid trouble in future; I had replaced most of them in my > Dragon. I had to replace more than 30 caps and still some more are present > in my Dragon! > > Hope I have answered to your satisfaction > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:13 PM > Subject: [naktalk] > > > >Guys, > > > >I must have missed something at the time, when the "orange film cap > disease" > >was discussed, but what's exactly the problem with them? Do they go bad > with > >time or are they generally bad for the "music"? > > > >Thanks > > > >Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 28 21:13:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:13:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Luxman K-373 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CC@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <03e401c10006$65d8df00$973442cf@sank1> I can't quite remember what deck the K-373 is, but I can tell you that there is not one Luxman cassette deck that is worth having. For a while, in the early '80's, they were almost as good as the competing Aiwa's, but that was about as good as they got before they went further downhill. All of the Lux decks after about 1990 were OEM'd from Sony or worse, i.e, crap. General recommendation: Steer clear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Luxman K-373 > Guys, > > sorry for sort of OT, but I would like to know if anyone has had an > experience with the above deck. Instead of buying a decent Nak for the same > money, a friend of mine has become unpleasantly hot for the golden thing, > which personally I have had no experience with. Impartially, would it be a > good choice? > > Stephen, you definitely must have dealt with one of those. Haven't you? > > TIA > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 28 21:21:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:21:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod References: <20010628131859.435B01DFC5D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <03ea01c10007$94372ea0$973442cf@sank1> The chip caps I spoke of were simply small value, 470-1000pf/50-100V, surface-mount caps as commonly used in camcorders, cell phones, etc. The little brown rectangles with no markings whatsoever(I don't know why they don't mark them). For the sake of direct soldering between small-size electrolytic cap leads, on the solder side of the board, it's best to get the largest size, which I believe is called "1206" size, which fit neatly accross the solder pads of the average cap. They are dirt cheap, literally $1 per dozen or less, very quick to install, once you get the hang of it, and do a lot to improve the high freq performance of the electrolytics. Not as good as any polystyrene, but not too far off. The client wanted the bulk of the budget to go towards playback improvement, and this was the best way to improve the record side on the remaining budget. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > Stephen > I am interested to know more about the > "caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due > >to budget limits), including input amps." > > Since this type of caps may be easier to get it here than MIT polyustrene. How expansive are these compared to MIT caps and if these are not the best but a better compromise, where exactly you used? > Also would like to know the source of "RCA MI-13322 silver/copper > >mic cable. " and how expansive are these compared to LAT > Thanks in advance > Kannan > ----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > >Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > >1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > >styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > >2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb signal > >path with OP275. > >3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > >coupling caps where possible. > >4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal > >path stages with styrenes. > >5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due > >to budget limits), including input amps. > >6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > >wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 silver/copper > >mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and no > >overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > >7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > >connector. > > > >I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. May not > >sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! And, > >of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 28 21:38:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:38:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CE@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <03f001c10009$f8bfa760$973442cf@sank1> The 700TT is a very different animal than the 700ZXE/ZXL, being an entirely discrete transistor design in the signal electronics, but the same principles apply. The major difference is the values of the bypass caps, since the coupling caps of discrete designs are often much larger than IC designs. On electrolytics of 1ufd-10ufd, I like to use 1000-2200pf, on 22ufd-47ufd, 4700pf-10,000pf, and proportionally larger as the values go higher. The reason for not replacing the lytics entirely with film caps, when not due to budget, is simply physical space constraints. A respectable 10ufd polypropylene cap will virtually never be able to fit in the space alotted for a 10ufd lytic in any tape deck. And, in my opinion, a healthy electrolytic bypassed with a nice polystyrene is as good or better than any small enough variety of film cap that would fit in the lytic's place(e.g., mylar, polyester). One also has to worry about lead lengths, so even where a nice film cap might be able to squeeze into the space, the leads may need to be too long for it to sound it's best, and may even cause oscillation problems in more sensitive areas. The only place where I will squeeze in as large propylene caps as I can is for bypassing the post-regulator power supply large filter capacitors. I try to get 3.3 to 10ufd of metallised propylene caps on each rail, with 0.01ufd styrenes paired with each propylene. The soft-recovery rectifiers I mentioned are widely known as "HEXFreds", which is the IRC name for their devices, but the same type of diode is also made by IXYS & Harris. In Nak's, I usually use Harris HR4120's or IRC HFA08TB60's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > Very, very impressive, must be said. All this simply makes me strive for > perfecting my own 700 TriTracer in the way described. Wouldn't it be sort of > cheeking up, if I'd ask you, Stephen, to work out some of the steps in > details? I would like to have some more details to the steps 1, 3, 4 & 5, as > I'm now very eager to get down to work. Which values of bypassing caps would > you recommend? Why bypassing, not replacing? > > Best > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:28 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > > styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb > > signal > > path with OP275. > > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > > coupling caps where possible. > > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb signal > > path stages with styrenes. > > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" caps(due > > to budget limits), including input amps. > > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 > > silver/copper > > mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, and > > no > > overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > > connector. > > > > I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. May > > not > > sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! > > And, > > of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > > I can belive it! > > > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? or > > some > > other magic? > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote > > about > > the > > > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > > > > > >To: Stephen Sank > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > > > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 month > > ago > > I > > > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about > > 70-80 > > > >hours of break in time on it. > > > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent with > > a > > > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I > > could > > > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes for > > the > > > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve > > Sank > > > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit down > > and > > > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from my > > Orbe > > > >turntable to my Nak. > > > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. The > > > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with > > more > > of > > > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the background. > > The > > > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. In > > short > > > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with much > > less > > > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between the > > > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape deck or > > > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck > > will > > > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will compete > > in > > > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter and > > > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in > > almost > > > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but since > > the > > > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good modified > > > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. Having a > > high > > > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and RCA > > jacks > > > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes the > > > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that says > > alot. > > > >Highly Recommended+++ > > > >John M > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 28 21:44:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:44:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - orange caps References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56CF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <03fc01c1000a$ca5f4a00$973442cf@sank1> The orange film caps seem to develop "thin spots" or even holes in the dielectric film. The only film caps I have ever seen that can be intermittently shorted, or even measure a solid few dozen or hundreds of ohms as steady as a resistor. They can show some really weird behavior, creating some pretty bizarre symptoms. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] - orange caps > Thanks, Kannan! An acquaintance of mine used to own a Dragon, which NAAC was > malfunctioning in the vicinity of a TV or Mobile phone! He ended up being so > disappointed that he sold his monster... Do you think it was Orange cap? > > One question still remains unanswered: what's BASICALLY wrong with those > Orange caps? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:36 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - orange caps > > > > Nick > > If you find that Tone oscillator/ bias oscillator/ Dolby circuit is not > > working or behaving strangely( in any old Naks) or bias trap is leaking > > more/ record amp behaves funnily - probably the orange cap in those > > circuit would be the ones causing them. My Dragon' auto azimuth circuit > > was malfunctioning because of one Orange cap! So first check just by > > replacing them with green Panosonic polyuester ones ( or red/ orange > > Philipps caps in some cases of mine). If you measure the orange cap after > > removal using DMM it would be allright in its value, But the minute you > > change them - you find circuit works allright! > > > > But they go bad after time as I find lot of them in BX1/BX300/ CR7 and > > ZX9!. Just to avoid trouble in future; I had replaced most of them in my > > Dragon. I had to replace more than 30 caps and still some more are present > > in my Dragon! > > > > Hope I have answered to your satisfaction > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Igritski Nick > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:13 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] > > > > > > >Guys, > > > > > >I must have missed something at the time, when the "orange film cap > > disease" > > >was discussed, but what's exactly the problem with them? Do they go bad > > with > > >time or are they generally bad for the "music"? > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Jun 29 14:53:29 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:53:29 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Many, many thanks, Stephen. Few more questions: 1. Does it make big difference, using propylene or styrene bypass caps? If yes, then is there any rule as to where to use which? 2. Does one have to bypass literally ALL caps in PB/REC signal paths, or lytics only? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:39 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > The 700TT is a very different animal than the 700ZXE/ZXL, being an > entirely > discrete transistor design in the signal electronics, but the same > principles apply. The major difference is the values of the bypass caps, > since the coupling caps of discrete designs are often much larger than IC > designs. On electrolytics of 1ufd-10ufd, I like to use 1000-2200pf, on > 22ufd-47ufd, 4700pf-10,000pf, and proportionally larger as the values go > higher. The reason for not replacing the lytics entirely with film caps, > when not due to budget, is simply physical space constraints. A > respectable > 10ufd polypropylene cap will virtually never be able to fit in the space > alotted for a 10ufd lytic in any tape deck. And, in my opinion, a healthy > electrolytic bypassed with a nice polystyrene is as good or better than > any > small enough variety of film cap that would fit in the lytic's place(e.g., > mylar, polyester). One also has to worry about lead lengths, so even > where > a nice film cap might be able to squeeze into the space, the leads may > need > to be too long for it to sound it's best, and may even cause oscillation > problems in more sensitive areas. The only place where I will squeeze in > as > large propylene caps as I can is for bypassing the post-regulator power > supply large filter capacitors. I try to get 3.3 to 10ufd of metallised > propylene caps on each rail, with 0.01ufd styrenes paired with each > propylene. The soft-recovery rectifiers I mentioned are widely known as > "HEXFreds", which is the IRC name for their devices, but the same type of > diode is also made by IXYS & Harris. In Nak's, I usually use Harris > HR4120's or IRC HFA08TB60's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:52 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > Very, very impressive, must be said. All this simply makes me strive for > > perfecting my own 700 TriTracer in the way described. Wouldn't it be > sort > of > > cheeking up, if I'd ask you, Stephen, to work out some of the steps in > > details? I would like to have some more details to the steps 1, 3, 4 & > 5, > as > > I'm now very eager to get down to work. Which values of bypassing caps > would > > you recommend? Why bypassing, not replacing? > > > > Best > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:28 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > > > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > > > styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > > > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb > > > signal > > > path with OP275. > > > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > > > coupling caps where possible. > > > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb > signal > > > path stages with styrenes. > > > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" > caps(due > > > to budget limits), including input amps. > > > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > > > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 > > > silver/copper > > > mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, > and > > > no > > > overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > > > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > > > connector. > > > > > > I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. > May > > > not > > > sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! > > > And, > > > of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > > > > > I can belive it! > > > > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? > or > > > some > > > other magic? > > > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote > > > about > > > the > > > > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > > > > > > > >To: Stephen Sank > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > > > > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 > month > > > ago > > > I > > > > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about > > > 70-80 > > > > >hours of break in time on it. > > > > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent > with > > > a > > > > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I > > > could > > > > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes > for > > > the > > > > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve > > > Sank > > > > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit > down > > > and > > > > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from > my > > > Orbe > > > > >turntable to my Nak. > > > > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. > The > > > > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with > > > more > > > of > > > > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the > background. > > > The > > > > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. > In > > > short > > > > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with > much > > > less > > > > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between > the > > > > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > > > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape > deck > or > > > > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck > > > will > > > > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will > compete > > > in > > > > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter > and > > > > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in > > > almost > > > > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but > since > > > the > > > > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good > modified > > > > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > > > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. > Having > a > > > high > > > > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and > RCA > > > jacks > > > > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes > the > > > > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that > says > > > alot. > > > > >Highly Recommended+++ > > > > >John M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 29 19:21:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:21:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ... built like a submarine. Message-ID: <003701c100bf$e965c900$49289bca@smarzuki> Don't do this at home folks .... Last week I decided to take my 482 (bought for parts) for a bath - scrubbed the extremely dirty pcb (brush won't do) with detergent soap and sprayed the electronics side with warm water. Suddenly remembered that this board absorbs water and did the indian dance to get most of the water out quickly. Sprayed and cleaned the real-Nak mechanism using toothbrush and again detergent water, also that dirty erase head, rollers and counter .... voila ! squeaky clean 482. Leave every parts and bits overnight in front of a desk fan ... assembled motors and pb/rec heads, apply some grease on shafts ... and this thing works !!! Only the 'analog' counter a bit hesitant, but wd40 will fix it soon .... I was prepared to store 482 bits and pieces in a bin, but quite unbelievably I am now listening to this deck - which still sounds better than my teac. Glued 680 rack handles on it and it looks real cool too. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 29 19:21:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:21:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <003601c100bf$e590a520$49289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds 'muddy' compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to find head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a properly aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to dragon. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 29 19:36:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:36:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <3B399319.B086D171@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <004a01c100c2$0da11340$49289bca@smarzuki> Marc, I didn't see any comment on your zx post yet - although you successfully got Mr. Carlos back on line :-) . From an 84 stereo review buyers guide I read that zx9 is a direct drive version of zx7 (belt driven) and incorporated higher quality caps / electronics all over. Specs are similar except for zx9's lower w&f, and only says "sonic improvements" over zx7. I remembered several posts long time ago regarding 30k response, not sure whether that related to ZX9 or ZXLs (my pc crashed and all naktalk 'history' not backed up yet). I'm not a real nak collector (although friends already called me lunatics), but I won't stop looking for a ZX9 ! Right now the only ZX I have is a "5", a bx300 with a different frontplate and cass door. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > I heard that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 were limited editions, and that they would therefore > rate as collectors decks (I confess to being a collector, limited or not). I also > heard that the ZX-9 was very highly tuned, although don't know what that might mean. > Perhaps the PB head is EQ'd more...... I further heard, not from any particular > authority that I remember, that the ZX-9 and perhaps the ZX-7 also are capable of > delivering frequencies up to 30 000hz. > > But what would attract me mainly, if either of them came my way, would be the handsome > appearance and the fact that they were, I think, built before any outsourcing of > manufacture went outside Japan. I'm presuming the mechanisms were Nakamichis as well. > > Whe it comes to Nakamichi's, I feel like Oliver Twist...."Please Sir, I want some > more....." > > That's a good point, haven't heard from Carlos for a while, to come to think of it, not > since Ms Puerto Rico won the Ms Universe title in her own home town. Not a peep > !!!!!!!! > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 29 20:18:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:18:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <3B399319.B086D171@sunint.co.za> <004a01c100c2$0da11340$49289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <051301c100c7$f6916460$973442cf@sank1> Every 3-head Nak from 582 onwards is capable of *usable* response, meaning visible on the oscilloscope as a nice waveform, to about 34kHz. But the most impressive & unique feature is the bass response of 16Hz @-3dB on chrome, 12Hz @-3dB on metal, with an almost complete absence of "head bumps" in the mid-bass response. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > Marc, > > I didn't see any comment on your zx post yet - although you successfully got > Mr. Carlos back on line :-) . From an 84 stereo review buyers guide I read > that zx9 is a direct drive version of zx7 (belt driven) and incorporated > higher quality caps / electronics all over. Specs are similar except for > zx9's lower w&f, and only says "sonic improvements" over zx7. > > I remembered several posts long time ago regarding 30k response, not sure > whether that related to ZX9 or ZXLs (my pc crashed and all naktalk 'history' > not backed up yet). I'm not a real nak collector (although friends already > called me lunatics), but I won't stop looking for a ZX9 ! Right now the > only ZX I have is a "5", a bx300 with a different frontplate and cass door. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Hugo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > I heard that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 were limited editions, and that they would > therefore > > rate as collectors decks (I confess to being a collector, limited or not). > I also > > heard that the ZX-9 was very highly tuned, although don't know what that > might mean. > > Perhaps the PB head is EQ'd more...... I further heard, not from any > particular > > authority that I remember, that the ZX-9 and perhaps the ZX-7 also are > capable of > > delivering frequencies up to 30 000hz. > > > > But what would attract me mainly, if either of them came my way, would be > the handsome > > appearance and the fact that they were, I think, built before any > outsourcing of > > manufacture went outside Japan. I'm presuming the mechanisms were > Nakamichis as well. > > > > Whe it comes to Nakamichi's, I feel like Oliver Twist...."Please Sir, I > want some > > more....." > > > > That's a good point, haven't heard from Carlos for a while, to come to > think of it, not > > since Ms Puerto Rico won the Ms Universe title in her own home town. Not > a peep > > !!!!!!!! > > > > Marc > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 29 20:21:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:21:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <003601c100bf$e590a520$49289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <051901c100c8$4a3f34c0$973442cf@sank1> I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed in & foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly the CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > > Hi Nakfellows, > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds 'muddy' > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to find > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a properly > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to dragon. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 29 20:44:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:44:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D0@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <052d01c100cb$8684dd60$973442cf@sank1> Polypropylene & polystyrene caps are the fastest & most "transparent" varieties of caps that currently exist. Styrenes, which are generally always film & foil, are the fastest, followed by film & foil propylenes, followed by metallised film propylenes. They are all better by a substantial amount, sonically speaking, over any other type of film cap, except for, perhaps, the very expensive teflon film & foils, which I don't hold in higher regard than the propylenes & lower than the styrenes. In amps, preamps, speakers & anywhere else where space is not a problem, I always use combinations of these cap types, in pairs or triplets, alternating between single layer & multi-layer types of each. As a general rule, when there is room for only one bypass cap accross an electrolytic, I'll use a styrene. Yes, in a cassette deck, I focus on bypassing the electrolytics, but I also replace entirely any film caps in EQ circuits when an equal value styrene will physically fit. I think this accounted for maybe four caps in the ZXL. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > Many, many thanks, Stephen. > > Few more questions: > > 1. Does it make big difference, using propylene or styrene bypass caps? If > yes, then is there any rule as to where to use which? > 2. Does one have to bypass literally ALL caps in PB/REC signal paths, or > lytics only? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:39 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > The 700TT is a very different animal than the 700ZXE/ZXL, being an > > entirely > > discrete transistor design in the signal electronics, but the same > > principles apply. The major difference is the values of the bypass caps, > > since the coupling caps of discrete designs are often much larger than IC > > designs. On electrolytics of 1ufd-10ufd, I like to use 1000-2200pf, on > > 22ufd-47ufd, 4700pf-10,000pf, and proportionally larger as the values go > > higher. The reason for not replacing the lytics entirely with film caps, > > when not due to budget, is simply physical space constraints. A > > respectable > > 10ufd polypropylene cap will virtually never be able to fit in the space > > alotted for a 10ufd lytic in any tape deck. And, in my opinion, a healthy > > electrolytic bypassed with a nice polystyrene is as good or better than > > any > > small enough variety of film cap that would fit in the lytic's place(e.g., > > mylar, polyester). One also has to worry about lead lengths, so even > > where > > a nice film cap might be able to squeeze into the space, the leads may > > need > > to be too long for it to sound it's best, and may even cause oscillation > > problems in more sensitive areas. The only place where I will squeeze in > > as > > large propylene caps as I can is for bypassing the post-regulator power > > supply large filter capacitors. I try to get 3.3 to 10ufd of metallised > > propylene caps on each rail, with 0.01ufd styrenes paired with each > > propylene. The soft-recovery rectifiers I mentioned are widely known as > > "HEXFreds", which is the IRC name for their devices, but the same type of > > diode is also made by IXYS & Harris. In Nak's, I usually use Harris > > HR4120's or IRC HFA08TB60's. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:52 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > > Very, very impressive, must be said. All this simply makes me strive for > > > perfecting my own 700 TriTracer in the way described. Wouldn't it be > > sort > > of > > > cheeking up, if I'd ask you, Stephen, to work out some of the steps in > > > details? I would like to have some more details to the steps 1, 3, 4 & > > 5, > > as > > > I'm now very eager to get down to work. Which values of bypassing caps > > would > > > you recommend? Why bypassing, not replacing? > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:28 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > > > Essentially, the upgrading consisted of: > > > > 1) Soft-recovery rectifiers & generous high freq bypassing(propylene & > > > > styrene caps) into the audio power supplies. > > > > 2) Replacement of all 4558/TL072 format dual opamps in direct rec/pb > > > > signal > > > > path with OP275. > > > > 3) Bypassing of all Pb signal path caps w/styrenes, and elimination of > > > > coupling caps where possible. > > > > 4) Bypassing of all "in stage" power supply filter caps in rec/pb > > signal > > > > path stages with styrenes. > > > > 5) Bypassing of all Rec signal path caps w/NPO ceramic SMD "chip" > > caps(due > > > > to budget limits), including input amps. > > > > 6) Replacing of all significant shielded signal wiring(excluding head > > > > wiring, due to budget) with LAT IC-200II cable or RCA MI-13322 > > > > silver/copper > > > > mic cable. No where near as much wiring to replace as in the ZX-7/9, > > and > > > > no > > > > overly circuitous routes, but I was able to shorten some runs a lot. > > > > 7) Removal of AC line cord & installation of standard IEC power cord > > > > connector. > > > > > > > > I think that covers it. But I may be forgetting one or two things. > > May > > > > not > > > > sound like a lot from the description, but, man, it was a lot of work! > > > > And, > > > > of course, I did a complete recalibration after mods. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:23 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] 700zxl mod > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can belive it! > > > > > But did you do the playback mod along with internal wiring change? > > or > > > > some > > > > other magic? > > > > > Kannan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:06 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, since you asked, Kannan, here is a "review" the client wrote > > > > about > > > > the > > > > > >700ZXL upgrades: > > > > > > > > > > > >To: Stephen Sank > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM > > > > > >Subject: Nakamichi 700ZXL Review > > > > > > > > > > > > After receiving my modified tape deck back about 1 > > month > > > > ago > > > > I > > > > > >think it is safe to draw some conclusions. The Tape Deck has about > > > > 70-80 > > > > > >hours of break in time on it. > > > > > >First: Comparing to the original the new deck is more transparent > > with > > > > a > > > > > >much improved base and a cleaner and more involving sound. Before I > > > > could > > > > > >not seriously listen to the music, rather I would make good tapes > > for > > > > the > > > > > >car and used it as background music in the house. The changes Steve > > > > Sank > > > > > >incorporated made it possible, for the first time for me, to sit > > down > > > > and > > > > > >listen and actually enjoy the music of a tape I just recorded from > > my > > > > Orbe > > > > > >turntable to my Nak. > > > > > > Second: The Improvements in sound were across the entire spectrum. > > The > > > > > >highs were cleaner and clearer. The mids had more transparency with > > > > more > > > > of > > > > > >a 3D feel. Imaging improved with less muck and fog in the > > background. > > > > The > > > > > >bass had much greater authority and punch from the mid-bass down. > > In > > > > short > > > > > >more of what I recorded from my record made it to the tape with > > much > > > > less > > > > > >distortion and haze. This has the effect of closing the gap between > > the > > > > > >source and the tape very noticeably. > > > > > > Third: In my opinion only a 7 1/2 IPS open reel to reel tape > > deck > > or > > > > > >higher speed is better. I feel based on my listening test this deck > > > > will > > > > > >outperform just about all 3 3/4 IPS reel to reel decks and will > > compete > > > > in > > > > > >the 7 1/2 IPS reel to reel. While the 7 1/2 may be a bit sweeter > > and > > > > > >smoother at the top end the Nak will give it a run for its money in > > > > almost > > > > > >all other areas of performance. Yes a 15 IPS deck is better but > > since > > > > the > > > > > >tapes are big, 12", and the deck its self is very large a good > > modified > > > > > >Nakamichi is probability the only alternative for analog recording. > > > > > > Conclusion: This is a Major improvement over the stock unit. > > Having > > a > > > > high > > > > > >quality detachable power chord along with new internal wiring and > > RCA > > > > jacks > > > > > >alone makes a big difference but the other internal changes makes > > the > > > > > >performance of my deck compete with reel to reel decks and that > > says > > > > alot. > > > > > >Highly Recommended+++ > > > > > >John M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Jun 29 20:39:12 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:39:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9570@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I tried a LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a CR-7 and it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and the CR-7 is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and clear and the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but I'm extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the best I've heard to date. I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the years concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed in > & > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly the > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound > > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds > 'muddy' > > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to > find > > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a > properly > > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to > dragon. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 29 22:01:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:01:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <003601c100bf$e590a520$49289bca@smarzuki> <051901c100c8$4a3f34c0$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c100d6$4f8c9860$5c289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, Yes I agree that dragon's sound is pretty close to cr7 just like your words. I believe there should be some electronics differences with cr5 though - as cr7 is a real "ear opener". Listening to 680zx by itself is quite good (already has op275 installed), but no match on a-b comparison. BTW I happen to locate cheap supply of OP27, is it any good compared to TL072 ? It's quarter the price of OP275, but four times 072's price. This cr7 seems to be in its 'original' untouched condition but it is a bit louder than both dragon & 680zx - which was calibrated 1V meter & output using quite accurate dmm - is that normal ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed in & > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly the > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound > > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds 'muddy' > > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to find > > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a properly > > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to dragon. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 29 22:02:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:02:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9570@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <001901c100d6$5e8a2e40$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kurtis, Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine there could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, especially from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said it is a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I tried a > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a CR-7 and > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and the CR-7 > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and clear and > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but I'm > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the best I've > heard to date. > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the years > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed in > > & > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly the > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Jun 29 23:09:44 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:09:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9571@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover a 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it back I'll compair it to the CR-7A. BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor mode you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. The difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > Hi Kurtis, > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine there > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > especially > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said it > is > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I tried a > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a CR-7 > and > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and the > CR-7 > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and clear > and > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but I'm > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the best > I've > > heard to date. > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the years > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > Kurtis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed > in > > > & > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly > the > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Jun 29 23:11:43 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:11:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9572@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Try some Burr-Brown OPA-2604's sometime, dual 8-pin package. This is what I use and I really like them. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > Thanks Stephen, > > Yes I agree that dragon's sound is pretty close to cr7 just like your > words. > I believe there should be some electronics differences with cr5 though - > as > cr7 is a real "ear opener". Listening to 680zx by itself is quite good > (already has op275 installed), but no match on a-b comparison. BTW I > happen > to locate cheap supply of OP27, is it any good compared to TL072 ? It's > quarter the price of OP275, but four times 072's price. > > This cr7 seems to be in its 'original' untouched condition but it is a bit > louder than both dragon & 680zx - which was calibrated 1V meter & output > using quite accurate dmm - is that normal ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed > in > & > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly > the > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for > sound > > > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds > 'muddy' > > > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to > find > > > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a > properly > > > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to > dragon. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jun 29 23:15:33 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:15:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question Message-ID: Stephen and others...what pre-amp do you recommend? Is there a Nakamichi pre-amp that does well? I am looking for something used, to replace my Adcom GTP600 preamp. Price range is sub $1k. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jun 29 23:18:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:18:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9571@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3B3CF0BD.E38E1FD0@concentric.net> "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover a > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it back > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor mode > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. The > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard a difference? What program material did you use for the test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind and did you tabulate the results? TIA, -- Ron > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine there > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > especially > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said it > > is > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I tried a > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a CR-7 > > and > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and the > > CR-7 > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and clear > > and > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but I'm > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the best > > I've > > > heard to date. > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the years > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed > > in > > > > & > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly > > the > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Jun 29 23:24:57 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:24:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak car unit Message-ID: The U.K. distributor for Nakamichi car products is BBG Distribution, you can e-mail them at: geoff.dutch at bbgdistribution.co.uk I'm sure he can give you a list of all the shops that stock TD-45Z in London. However, according to Stephen, these new Naks are all OEM stuff (derived from which manufacturer?) and not as good as the old ones. Incidentally, I have found someone to service/repair my TD-300 in the U.K, although apparently a lot of work/repair needs to be done as the audio output on left channel is erratic and the tuner no longer works! >Hi guys, > >This is one for the fellow maniacs in the UK. Can anyone tell me from where >in London can I buy a Nakamichi TD-45z? > >Many thanks in advance. > >George _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Jun 29 23:29:45 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:29:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9573@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> What I'm saying is, if you pass a signal through the CR-7A and listen to it, it sounds better than passing the signal through my 581 or 582. I am just comparing the output of the Naks. The CR-7A is better at retaining the quality of the source. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover a > > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it > back > > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor > mode > > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. The > > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. > > That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand > you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal > through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the > original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard > a difference? What program material did you use for the > test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind > and did you tabulate the results? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine > there > > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > > especially > > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said > it > > > is > > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I > tried a > > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a > CR-7 > > > and > > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and > the > > > CR-7 > > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and > clear > > > and > > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but > I'm > > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the > best > > > I've > > > > heard to date. > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the > years > > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit > closed > > > in > > > > > & > > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The > difference > > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, > mainly > > > the > > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 30 02:44:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:44:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <003601c100bf$e590a520$49289bca@smarzuki> <051901c100c8$4a3f34c0$973442cf@sank1> <001801c100d6$4f8c9860$5c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <055d01c100fd$db138520$973442cf@sank1> The OP27 is a single channel op amp, which is a much older design than the OP275 & quite different. It's a very good replacement for TL071 & LM741 types, but the OP176, single version of the OP275, is much better. Sounds like the CR-7 must be calibrated a bit high on levels. It should be quite precisely 1VRMS for 0VU reading. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > Thanks Stephen, > > Yes I agree that dragon's sound is pretty close to cr7 just like your words. > I believe there should be some electronics differences with cr5 though - as > cr7 is a real "ear opener". Listening to 680zx by itself is quite good > (already has op275 installed), but no match on a-b comparison. BTW I happen > to locate cheap supply of OP27, is it any good compared to TL072 ? It's > quarter the price of OP275, but four times 072's price. > > This cr7 seems to be in its 'original' untouched condition but it is a bit > louder than both dragon & 680zx - which was calibrated 1V meter & output > using quite accurate dmm - is that normal ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit closed in > & > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The difference > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, mainly the > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nakfellows, > > > > > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound > > > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds > 'muddy' > > > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to > find > > > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a > properly > > > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to > dragon. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 30 02:57:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:57:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: Message-ID: <057701c100ff$9296c760$973442cf@sank1> The Moscode Minuet/Minuet in A is a great sounding tube hybrid preamp as stock, which you can usually get for $400-500 when they come up. With my "radical rebuild" upgrade mods, it's the best preamp I have yet heard, both on line & phono(mc & mm). The "radical" upgrade is $1800, but I can make a huge improvement in the sonics, making it at least competitive with some of the best preamps out there, for $500 or so, which can be part of a gradual radical rebuild. One of my Moscode power amp clients has just commisioned me to build him a 6 channel line/2 channel phono version of the "radical Minuet", which I'll be building from scratch, rather than mod'ing a stock unit. Separate power supplies for each pair of channels & for the phono on granite slab bases, then entirely granite cases for the signal circuits. Haven't figured out what the cost will be yet, but it will have to be over $10,000. But this is a guy who has $12k/pair speakers, in front AND rear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question > Stephen and others...what pre-amp do you recommend? Is there a Nakamichi > pre-amp that does well? I am looking for something used, to replace my > Adcom GTP600 preamp. Price range is sub $1k. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 30 03:04:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:04:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9573@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <058401c10100$96232d00$973442cf@sank1> I have no trouble believing that the CR-7 sounds better even in source monitor than the 582. In source monitor, the signal has to go through about half of the record electronics, incuding half of each rec dolby IC, then through the main out line amps, so there is a lot of room for sonic differences. Just the quality of the dolby IC's alone could be enough to explain the difference. Just wish they had kept the CR-7's TEA0652 dolby IC's in succeding models, rather than going to the inferior Sony CX20188 IC's on the CR-4/3/2/1 & later decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > What I'm saying is, if you pass a signal through the CR-7A and listen to it, > it sounds better than passing the signal through my 581 or 582. > I am just comparing the output of the Naks. The CR-7A is better at > retaining the quality of the source. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:19 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover a > > > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it > > back > > > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > > > > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor > > mode > > > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. The > > > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. > > > > That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand > > you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal > > through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the > > original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard > > a difference? What program material did you use for the > > test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind > > and did you tabulate the results? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine > > there > > > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > > > especially > > > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said > > it > > > > is > > > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I > > tried a > > > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a > > CR-7 > > > > and > > > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and > > the > > > > CR-7 > > > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and > > clear > > > > and > > > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but > > I'm > > > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the > > best > > > > I've > > > > > heard to date. > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the > > years > > > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit > > closed > > > > in > > > > > > & > > > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The > > difference > > > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, > > mainly > > > > the > > > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Sat Jun 30 03:30:45 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:30:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question Message-ID: <9e.168ef259.286e85c5@aol.com> Stephen-When u finish this pre-amp, I would love it if u posted some pics. Sounds like it will look really cool. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jun 30 06:02:18 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:32:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <20010630040218.C57C71DFB98@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 30 09:39:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:39:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/29/2001 12:28:55 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Nakfellows, Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds 'muddy' compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to find head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a properly aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to dragon. Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, For what it worth (I've never heard a Nak 680), I really like the sound of the CR-7. So much so I finally purchased one. If you have the opportunity to purchase one, I would recommend it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 30 09:48:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:48:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <36.17fc7c71.286ede58@aol.com> In a message dated 6/29/2001 12:44:35 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << but I won't stop looking for a ZX9 ! Right now the only ZX I have is a "5", a bx300 with a different frontplate and cass door. Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, I don't how economically feasible it is for you, but there have been several ZX-9's on eBay in the last few months here in the US. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 30 11:55:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:55:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <20010630040218.C57C71DFB98@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001401c1014a$dd424500$5d289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Kannan, As it currently is ... I'm still test-tape-less. :-( I remembered Nak US prices around $100++ for 1k track tape on some posts last year, so I'd rather spent the money on this cr7 (with mint looking head) - at about $190. However, using exact same homemade tape on these decks should yield equal results I believe. Up to this moment I only have to align 680zx's output due to screwed up metering circuit, but others - old naks with 1V output - have about similar output / loudness. Not the case with cr7 which is noticably louder (volume had to be turned down to 3 oclock). Kannan, do you still have those design sketches on word document ? I'm still waiting if you have one ready. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > Salim > regarding Cr7 sounding louder than Dragon or 680. > It is not enough you calibrate the meter; you have to calibrate playback amp using 400Hz level tape / 15 Khz azimuth tape. Also if the head track alignment is off; you may have output differences. > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:09 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > >Thanks Stephen, > > > >Yes I agree that dragon's sound is pretty close to cr7 just like your words. > >I believe there should be some electronics differences with cr5 though - as > >cr7 is a real "ear opener". Listening to 680zx by itself is quite good > >(already has op275 installed), but no match on a-b comparison. BTW I happen > >to locate cheap supply of OP27, is it any good compared to TL072 ? It's > >quarter the price of OP275, but four times 072's price. > > > >This cr7 seems to be in its 'original' untouched condition but it is a bit > >louder than both dragon & 680zx - which was calibrated 1V meter & output > >using quite accurate dmm - is that normal ? > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 30 13:34:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:34:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: Message-ID: <002801c10158$a83240a0$5d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Signature like "hey-Sam-I-finally-got-a-CR7-too man" is too long ... :-) Yep, got a vgc one for a real nice price. Previous owner is also Nak collector, whose cr5 became mine earlier (through an exchange store). These two decks spent most time in storage as he's mostly use his dragon. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > > Hi Salim, > > For what it worth (I've never heard a Nak 680), I really like the sound of > the CR-7. So much so I finally purchased one. If you have the opportunity > to purchase one, I would recommend it. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 30 13:35:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:35:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <36.17fc7c71.286ede58@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c10158$c46b4a00$5d289bca@smarzuki> Unfortunately not economically feasible at all Sam ... :-( but thanks for the info ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > Hi Salim, > > I don't how economically feasible it is for you, but there have been several > ZX-9's on eBay in the last few months here in the US. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 30 13:38:50 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:38:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: Message-ID: <003001c10159$3bf1bd20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Almost same question with Alex here ... would a Nak 610 (?) preamp sound better than Adcom GFP1A preamp or other adcom value / mid level model ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question > Stephen and others...what pre-amp do you recommend? Is there a Nakamichi > pre-amp that does well? I am looking for something used, to replace my > Adcom GTP600 preamp. Price range is sub $1k. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 30 14:34:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:34:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <8e.17b51adb.286f2169@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2001 6:42:29 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Unfortunately not economically feasible at all Sam ... :-( but thanks for the info ! Salim SM >> You got it my friend. And, I'll still keep my eyes open, who knows what will show up. I was informed by Brian of a Tandberg 3014a mint for $20.00. Went as soon as the guy posted it. So, don't give up hope just yet. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 30 14:36:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:36:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <6d.162ad411.286f21b9@aol.com> In a message dated 6/30/2001 6:42:31 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Sam, Signature like "hey-Sam-I-finally-got-a-CR7-too man" is too long ... :-) Yep, got a vgc one for a real nice price. Previous owner is also Nak collector, whose cr5 became mine earlier (through an exchange store). These two decks spent most time in storage as he's mostly use his dragon. Cheers, Salim SM >> Do you like the sound of the Dragon? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 30 15:27:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:27:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9573@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3B3DD3B9.73BA3B57@concentric.net> Thanks, I misunderstood your original post. *This*, I fully concur with. As a matter of fact, this was my first impression when I replaced my old 582 with the CR-7a. The CR-7a, by itself, improved further after Stephen was through calibrating it. Today, it's very difficult to tell apart a CD going straight through the preamp vs. the same CD going through the CR-7 monitor loop. -- Ron "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > What I'm saying is, if you pass a signal through the CR-7A and listen to it, > it sounds better than passing the signal through my 581 or 582. > I am just comparing the output of the Naks. The CR-7A is better at > retaining the quality of the source. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:19 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover a > > > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it > > back > > > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > > > > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor > > mode > > > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. The > > > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. > > > > That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand > > you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal > > through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the > > original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard > > a difference? What program material did you use for the > > test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind > > and did you tabulate the results? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine > > there > > > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > > > especially > > > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you said > > it > > > > is > > > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I > > tried a > > > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got a > > CR-7 > > > > and > > > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank and > > the > > > > CR-7 > > > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and > > clear > > > > and > > > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but > > I'm > > > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the > > best > > > > I've > > > > > heard to date. > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the > > years > > > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit > > closed > > > > in > > > > > > & > > > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The > > difference > > > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, > > mainly > > > > the > > > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 30 15:35:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:35:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9573@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <058401c10100$96232d00$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B3DD5B8.16E6C348@concentric.net> Stephen, A few ages ago, you planned to modify the head azimuth circuit of a CR-7 to increase resolution at the cost of reduced range. This involved replacement of 1 resistor, then checking to see whether response was improved. I wonder if you ever got around to doing this? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I have no trouble believing that the CR-7 sounds better even in source > monitor than the 582. In source monitor, the signal has to go through about > half of the record electronics, incuding half of each rec dolby IC, then > through the main out line amps, so there is a lot of room for sonic > differences. Just the quality of the dolby IC's alone could be enough to > explain the difference. Just wish they had kept the CR-7's TEA0652 dolby > IC's in succeding models, rather than going to the inferior Sony CX20188 > IC's on the CR-4/3/2/1 & later decks. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > What I'm saying is, if you pass a signal through the CR-7A and listen to > it, > > it sounds better than passing the signal through my 581 or 582. > > I am just comparing the output of the Naks. The CR-7A is better at > > retaining the quality of the source. > > > > Kurtis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:19 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover > a > > > > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it > > > back > > > > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > > > > > > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor > > > mode > > > > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. > The > > > > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. > > > > > > That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand > > > you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal > > > through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the > > > original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard > > > a difference? What program material did you use for the > > > test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind > > > and did you tabulate the results? > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine > > > there > > > > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > > > > especially > > > > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you > said > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > > > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I > > > tried a > > > > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got > a > > > CR-7 > > > > > and > > > > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank > and > > > the > > > > > CR-7 > > > > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and > > > clear > > > > > and > > > > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but > > > I'm > > > > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the > > > best > > > > > I've > > > > > > heard to date. > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the > > > years > > > > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit > > > closed > > > > > in > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The > > > difference > > > > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, > > > mainly > > > > > the > > > > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jun 30 16:50:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:50:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Opinions/Advise re: Mark Logan ELS Speakers Message-ID: <85.c683ff7.286f414e@aol.com> Hi All, I would once again like to "tap" into the collective wisdom of this group and ask you a question regarding ELS speakers. I recently visited my local Tweeter Center and enjoyed listening to a pair of Mark Logan ELS Odyssey speakers. The speakers were part of a home theater set up and also incorporated the Mark Logan Theater center channel speaker. I had the salesman turn off the center channel and we listened to a his demo CD of a few live performances featuring both jazz and classical music. The speakers were connected to the new Krell Home Theater Standard Preamp and Theater Amplifier Standard, a Toshiba CD player, and I didn't ask what the interconnects or speaker cables were that were in use. There was a surprising amount of hiss for equipment at this level. (Although that could be due to many factors). My question for this group is what is the reputation of Mark Logan, and what is the overall opinion of their ELS speakers (Or ELS speakers in general)? I must admit that with the correct amount of amplification, the electrostatic speakers did a great job of recreating the live performances. It is a "different" sound that was airy, clear, clean, with rich full bass (due to the included subwoofers). And, the center channel speaker in combination with the L/R was a wonderful listening experience. However, I'm not sure if all of the highs were present. At times I wasn't sure if I was hearing the highs in the violins and trumpets or if the sound was a pit distorted. I noticed once we closed the door and increased the volume, the sound improved. From what I understand about ELS, positioning and amplification are crucial to their performance. And, these speakers were not placed correctly for full optimization in this particular showroom. At $6,795 a pair are these speakers really worth it? I'm curious as I am learning more about home theater gear and what is really the best stuff out there. I appreciate any feedback anyone can share, and since this is soooooooo off topic please respond offline from NakTalkers. As always, thank you for your help, I truly appreciate it. -Sam Here's the link to the website if you're not familiar with these speakers. In person, their appearance is very striking: http://www.martinlogan.com/odyssey_speaker.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jun 30 17:38:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:38:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Opinions/Advise re: Mark Logan ELS Speakers References: <85.c683ff7.286f414e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B3DF26D.8A288BD8@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I would once again like to "tap" into the collective wisdom of this group and > ask you a question regarding ELS speakers. I don't know that I can offer any 'wisdom'. However, I can air some of my personal biases... So, here goes: > I recently visited my local Tweeter Center and enjoyed listening to a pair of > Mark Logan ELS Odyssey speakers. The speakers were part of a home theater > set up and also incorporated the Mark Logan Theater center channel speaker. > I had the salesman turn off the center channel and we listened to a his demo > CD of a few live performances featuring both jazz and classical music. The > speakers were connected to the new Krell Home Theater Standard Preamp and > Theater Amplifier Standard, a Toshiba CD player, and I didn't ask what the > interconnects or speaker cables were that were in use. There was a > surprising amount of hiss for equipment at this level. (Although that could > be due to many factors). > > My question for this group is what is the reputation of Mark Logan, and what > is the overall opinion of their ELS speakers (Or ELS speakers in general)? I > must admit that with the correct amount of amplification, the electrostatic > speakers did a great job of recreating the live performances. It is a > "different" sound that was airy, clear, clean, with rich full bass (due to > the included subwoofers). And, the center channel speaker in combination > with the L/R was a wonderful listening experience. I have found electrostatic speakers to generally have the kind of airy, seemingly clear sound you describe. However, after listening for a while, I found them quite fatiguing, to the point where I'd rather stop listening. My experience with Martin Logan speakers is limited to one pair an acquaintance owned (these were precursors to the Odyssey, I think. Not sure of the exact model). We found that they were pretty sensitive to room placement. The final position, in which I thought they sounded very good (and he thought, sounded fabulous) was very inconvenient in his family room -- it was fairly forward into the room, making the room almost unusable for other uses. They sounded muted and muddy in other positions. High frequencies, where present, were shrill, almost scratchy. (IME, placement usually tends to affect mid and low bass, not the treble.) So, I would strongly recommend that, should you decide to purchase them, you first make sure they sound good in their intended location in *your* listening room. I also auditioned the Quad electrostatics, many many years ago. Don't remember the sound anymore, but I do remember going away relieved that I didn't particularly like them, since they were both too large and too expensive for my situation at the time. > However, I'm not sure if all of the highs were present. At times I wasn't > sure if I was hearing the highs in the violins and trumpets or if the sound > was a pit distorted. I noticed once we closed the door and increased the > volume, the sound improved. From what I understand about ELS, positioning > and amplification are crucial to their performance. And, these speakers were > not placed correctly for full optimization in this particular showroom. At > $6,795 a pair are these speakers really worth it? I'm curious as I am > learning more about home theater gear and what is really the best stuff out > there. Several years ago, I completely revamped my A/V system. Previous to that, it had been an Audio only stereo system, with patches upon patches to provide for inclusion of Video. As a result, it required a Ph.D. in Engineering plus a driver's license, to operate. As part of that exercise, I went shopping for speakers, an activity that took many months. I finally focussed on Aerial Acoustics Model 10T for main L & R. These list for a bit more than the Martin Logan Odysseys, depending on finish, but it is possible to get them somewhat discounted, so they do compete on price. To my ears, they were absolutely the best speakers I could possibly afford, by a long shot, bettered by nothing that didn't cost several times their price (e.g., Dunlavys at more than 4 times the money). They are very location lenient, resulting in very acceptable sound (albeit, with somewhat impaired sound staging) in a location that would completely destroy other speakers. I would urge you to at least listen to the 10Ts. If nothing else, this is an enjoyable experience. Bring along a CD or two you are familiar with. -- Ron > I appreciate any feedback anyone can share, and since this is soooooooo off > topic please respond offline from NakTalkers. As always, thank you for your > help, I truly appreciate it. > > -Sam > > Here's the link to the website if you're not familiar with these speakers. > In person, their appearance is very striking: > > http://www.martinlogan.com/odyssey_speaker.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Jun 30 20:00:32 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:00:32 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ... built like a submarine. References: <003701c100bf$e965c900$49289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Great story ;-) >than my teac. Glued 680 rack handles on it and it looks real cool too. :-) Where I can find couple of rack handles for my 680ZX? Also need couple of small switcher's knobs - those on a right side for diferent types of tape and equalisation. Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 30 20:42:00 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:42:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] remote nad mixer on e-bay UK Message-ID: For anyone who's interested: NAKAMICHI rm-200 REMOTE control unit e-bay UK : Item #1250927057 Nakamichi MX-100 Microphone mixer : Item #1250558984 Not THAT far away from me but have no need. Cheers JGTHIRLWELL ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 30 23:09:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:09:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9573@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <058401c10100$96232d00$973442cf@sank1> <3B3DD5B8.16E6C348@concentric.net> Message-ID: <05f301c101a8$f70ad3e0$973442cf@sank1> Haven't tried the azimuth control resolution mod on a CR-7 yet, but I'm gonna make Sam let me do it to his.=) Plan to try it beginning of the coming week. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > Stephen, > > A few ages ago, you planned to modify the head azimuth > circuit of a CR-7 to increase resolution at the cost of > reduced range. This involved replacement of 1 resistor, > then checking to see whether response was improved. > > I wonder if you ever got around to doing this? > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I have no trouble believing that the CR-7 sounds better even in source > > monitor than the 582. In source monitor, the signal has to go through about > > half of the record electronics, incuding half of each rec dolby IC, then > > through the main out line amps, so there is a lot of room for sonic > > differences. Just the quality of the dolby IC's alone could be enough to > > explain the difference. Just wish they had kept the CR-7's TEA0652 dolby > > IC's in succeding models, rather than going to the inferior Sony CX20188 > > IC's on the CR-4/3/2/1 & later decks. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > What I'm saying is, if you pass a signal through the CR-7A and listen to > > it, > > > it sounds better than passing the signal through my 581 or 582. > > > I am just comparing the output of the Naks. The CR-7A is better at > > > retaining the quality of the source. > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:19 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sank is currently working on a big project for me trying to recover > > a > > > > > 680ZX that is in bad shape. Plays fine but no record. After I get it > > > > back > > > > > I'll compair it to the CR-7A. > > > > > > > > > > BTW; Just letting the signal pass through the unit in source monitor > > > > mode > > > > > you can hear the difference. You don't have to record to hear it. > > The > > > > > difference is definitely in the layout and parts used on the boards. > > > > > > > > That's very interesting... Let me verify that I understand > > > > you correctly: are you saying that just passing a signal > > > > through the CR-7 in monitor mode and comparing it to the > > > > original signal (before it went to the CR-7), you heard > > > > a difference? What program material did you use for the > > > > test? How many people were listening? Was the test blind > > > > and did you tabulate the results? > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kurtis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Having completely satisfied with 680/682zx I can't really imagine > > > > there > > > > > > could be any noticable room for improvement over these old naks, > > > > > > especially > > > > > > from new generation / sankyo naks ... but it's there and as you > > said > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > a class above. Dragon is real close and the difference is more like > > > > > > 'characteristics' rather than definite improvement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Bahr, Kurtis" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:39 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started with a 481, then moved to the 581, then to the 582. I > > > > tried a > > > > > > > LX-5 but I thought the 581/582 outperformed the LX-5. I then got > > a > > > > CR-7 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it was eye-opening to me, my 582 has even been serviced by Sank > > and > > > > the > > > > > > CR-7 > > > > > > > is still a class above it. The top is is definitely more open and > > > > clear > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the sound is more dynamic. I'd love to hear a Dragon someday but > > > > I'm > > > > > > > extremely pleased with the sound from the CR-7. The CR-7 is the > > > > best > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > heard to date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Steven Sank's opinion he has carried over the > > > > years > > > > > > > concerningthe CR-7. It's one fine sounding Nak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurtis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that even a perfectly tuned 680 will sound a little bit > > > > closed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > foggy & lacking "snap" compared to a well-tuned CR-7. The > > > > difference > > > > > > > > between equally tuned CR-7 & Dragon should be much more subtle, > > > > mainly > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > CR-7's having a bit more spaciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 30 23:12:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:12:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: <003001c10159$3bf1bd20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <05f901c101a9$4ed88cc0$973442cf@sank1> Never had them side by side, but I would be willing to bet that it would be a different-but-neither-better comparison between a Nak 610 & any Adcom preamp. The 610 will probably sound a bit cloudy vs the Adcom sounding more clear. But I'd be willing to bet that the 610 would sound nevertheless a bit more pleasant & musical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > Almost same question with Alex here ... would a Nak 610 (?) preamp sound > better than Adcom GFP1A preamp or other adcom value / mid level model ? > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > > > Stephen and others...what pre-amp do you recommend? Is there a Nakamichi > > pre-amp that does well? I am looking for something used, to replace my > > Adcom GTP600 preamp. Price range is sub $1k. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 23:47:26 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:47:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! Message-ID: Hi, Just been trying to find my old archived Naktalk files relating to preference order of all Naks. This was posted a few weeks ago, I think the list was by Stephen or Salim. Anybody able to forward me a copy? I remember the 1000ZXL, CR-7 and Dragon came near the top. Also, why is the RX-505 preferred over quite a few other Naks when it appears that the specification other than the autoreverse is not that special? Is it because it had a better circuitry design and components compared to the BX/lower model CR/CD/DR series? Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-7.txt ************************************************************************ From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 1 01:15:14 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:15:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: <003001c10159$3bf1bd20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004701c101ba$84fcf640$54ec3fd0@oemcomputer> if you want a killer preamp with a very good phonostage try out a Parasound P/HP-850 Stereo Preamplifier this preamp is clearing out for $250.00 its extremely clean sounding, transparent and the phono stage can play both mc and mm cartridges. I honestly dont think you can buy a better preamp under $2000.00 check out this link and the review in listener http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=PARPHP850 Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > Almost same question with Alex here ... would a Nak 610 (?) preamp sound > better than Adcom GFP1A preamp or other adcom value / mid level model ? > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:15 AM > Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > > > Stephen and others...what pre-amp do you recommend? Is there a Nakamichi > > pre-amp that does well? I am looking for something used, to replace my > > Adcom GTP600 preamp. Price range is sub $1k. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 1 02:08:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:08:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RM-200 remote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c101c1$fffbea20$3041063e@a4s1s2> Anyone advise me, would that work with the ZX-9? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of barking Sent: 30 June 2001 19:42 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] remote nad mixer on e-bay UK For anyone who's interested: NAKAMICHI rm-200 REMOTE control unit e-bay UK : Item #1250927057 Nakamichi MX-100 Microphone mixer : Item #1250558984 Not THAT far away from me but have no need. Cheers JGTHIRLWELL ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 04:15:17 2001 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:15:17 Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! Message-ID: Hi, RX-505 was the best in the RX series. Uses the same mechanical chassis as the Dragon minus the direct drive motors and playback head. Much better than the BX series or the CR series. I think the order of preference is the Dragon, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, 682ZX, ZX-9, ZX-7, RX-505, CR-7. That's where my money goes., but that's just me. Incidently, for what it's worth, I've been authorized to service Nakamichi for about 20 years, have all their special alignment tools, manuals, was factory trained, and there's hardly a model I haven't torn apart and rebuilt. 73, Steve/VE2FSQ srudick at hotmail.com >From: "winnie pooh" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:47:26 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [172.189.8.141] >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD07946900724004321CC14EE1380AA40; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:49:37 -0700 >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >AAA19057for naktalk-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:17:40 +0200 >Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f114.hotmail.com [216.32.181.114])by >zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19054for ; >Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:17:37 +0200 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:47:27 -0700 >Received: from 172.189.8.141 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 >Jun 2001 21:47:26 GMT >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:50:28 -0700 >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2001 21:47:27.0047 (UTC) >FILETIME=[410E2D70:01C101AE] >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com >Precedence: bulk > > >Hi, > >Just been trying to find my old archived Naktalk files relating to >preference order of all Naks. This was posted a few weeks ago, I think the >list was by Stephen or Salim. Anybody able to forward me a copy? I remember >the 1000ZXL, CR-7 and Dragon came near the top. Also, why is the RX-505 >preferred over quite a few other Naks when it appears that the >specification >other than the autoreverse is not that special? Is it because it had a >better circuitry design and components compared to the BX/lower model >CR/CD/DR series? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Jul 1 06:51:22 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:51:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! Message-ID: <20010701.005124.-447729.2.josephj69@juno.com> Steve, Just out of curiosity, where would you (or others here) rate the 660ZX in this list, and WHY? Is it not very much the same as the 680zx? I'm very curious for thoughts from anyone who has serviced them. Thanks, Joe On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 04:15:17 "Steve Rudick" writes: > Hi, > > RX-505 was the best in the RX series. Uses the same mechanical > chassis as > the Dragon minus the direct drive motors and playback head. Much > better than > the BX series or the CR series. > I think the order of preference is the Dragon, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, > 682ZX, ZX-9, ZX-7, RX-505, CR-7. > That's where my money goes., but that's just me. > Incidently, for what it's worth, I've been authorized to service > Nakamichi > for about 20 years, have all their special alignment tools, manuals, > was > factory trained, and there's hardly a model I haven't torn apart and > > rebuilt. > > 73, > > Steve/VE2FSQ > srudick at hotmail.com > > >From: "winnie pooh" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! > >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:47:26 -0000 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: [172.189.8.141] > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBD07946900724004321CC14EE1380AA40; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 > 14:49:37 -0700 > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) > id > >AAA19057for naktalk-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:17:40 +0200 > >Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f114.hotmail.com > [216.32.181.114])by > >zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19054for > ; > >Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:17:37 +0200 > >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft > SMTPSVC; > >Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:47:27 -0700 > >Received: from 172.189.8.141 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with > HTTP; Sat, 30 > >Jun 2001 21:47:26 GMT > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:50:28 -0700 > >Message-ID: > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2001 21:47:27.0047 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[410E2D70:01C101AE] > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Just been trying to find my old archived Naktalk files relating to > >preference order of all Naks. This was posted a few weeks ago, I > think the > >list was by Stephen or Salim. Anybody able to forward me a copy? I > remember > >the 1000ZXL, CR-7 and Dragon came near the top. Also, why is the > RX-505 > >preferred over quite a few other Naks when it appears that the > >specification > >other than the autoreverse is not that special? Is it because it > had a > >better circuitry design and components compared to the BX/lower > model > >CR/CD/DR series? 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Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jul 1 07:01:47 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:31:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods Message-ID: <20010701050147.93B421DFEA3@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 1 09:24:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:24:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods References: <20010701050147.93B421DFEA3@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002001c101fe$e0017f40$2e3442cf@sank1> To mount the chip SMD caps, you have to remove most of the solder from the cap you're bypassing, then use a pair of tweezers to hold it in place. Then, with your free hand, and the end of your solder dangling in a handy position, get a drop of fresh solder onto your iron tip & use it to tack one end of the cap. With the cap now held by solder, neatly solder the other end, then go back & neatly resolder the first end, making sure, of course, that you also get the original cap's leads resoldered. Once you get the hang of it, it will go quickly. On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all also happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery will have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon diode. Philips makes pretty nice film & foil polystyrene caps, which should be obtainable in your part of the world, I would think. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > Thanks Stephen looking at trying out CR7 azimuth adjustment mod - > And after comparing CR7 / Dragon azimuth adjustment ; I felt Dragon auto is perfect and manual is always not that accurate. Probably because of the type of recording on them ( mostly pre - recorded) even on CR7 recording getting the accurate dead spot is not ver easy as we depend on the hearing abilities with varying levels of frequency above 5 Khz or so. But Cr7 manual azimuth is handy comapred to any other deck without that like say 582 or BX300. > I have to also agree sound of CR7 is very good to excellent probably due to its Dolby chip. > > Secondly mods to coupling caps. > Stephen > can you explain the method employed to solder these Chip SMD caps? as little guidance would definitely worth before I try them on my own without any special tools? > > > As these SMD chip caps are available in reels in my friendly shop! and the shop keeper asked me to come in early morning and sit with it to sort out the values that I need!( he says that it is a big pain sorting the values or even finding out the values whether available) > I managed to get 15 Amp fast recovery diodes allready! > I can easily try out this mod on BX300 first. > Polyuestrene - Only I have to get it from US sources and that is generally a few months project > Kannan > > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > >Haven't tried the azimuth control resolution mod on a CR-7 yet, but I'm > >gonna make Sam let me do it to his.=) Plan to try it beginning of the > >coming week. > > > > ---------------- > --------------------- > The chip caps I spoke of were simply small value, 470-1000pf/50-100V, > surface-mount caps as commonly used in camcorders, cell phones, etc. The > little brown rectangles with no markings whatsoever(I don't know why they > don't mark them). For the sake of direct soldering between small-size > electrolytic cap leads, on the solder side of the board, it's best to get > the largest size, which I believe is called "1206" size, which fit neatly > accross the solder pads of the average cap. They are dirt cheap, literally > $1 per dozen or less, very quick to install, once you get the hang of it, > and do a lot to improve the high freq performance of the electrolytics. Not > as good as any polystyrene, but not too far off. The client wanted the bulk > of the budget to go towards playback improvement, and this was the best way > to improve the record side on the remaining budget. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 1 10:49:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:49:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Degaussers/Bulk Erasers In-Reply-To: <000b01c101c1$fffbea20$3041063e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c1020a$b2b4b3c0$ca07893e@a4s1s2> Anyone know of a source for these in the UK/Europe from where a decent erasers can be had for REASONABLE money? [Found the Geneva PF-215 at some very good prices in the US (less than $60 - they usually sell for over $100 and I've even seen one recently for sale in the UK for around $200!) but they either all quote shipping costs almost as much as the eraser or they won't export anyway. *sigh* ] Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 1 13:26:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:26:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! References: Message-ID: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Steve, Just wishful thinking ... any 1k track test tape or tilt / stroke tools for sale cheap ? :-) :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rudick" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Lost my old files! > Hi, > > RX-505 was the best in the RX series. Uses the same mechanical chassis as > the Dragon minus the direct drive motors and playback head. Much better than > the BX series or the CR series. > I think the order of preference is the Dragon, 1000ZXL, 700ZXL, > 682ZX, ZX-9, ZX-7, RX-505, CR-7. > That's where my money goes., but that's just me. > Incidently, for what it's worth, I've been authorized to service Nakamichi > for about 20 years, have all their special alignment tools, manuals, was > factory trained, and there's hardly a model I haven't torn apart and > rebuilt. > > 73, > > Steve/VE2FSQ > srudick at hotmail.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 1 13:24:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:24:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! References: Message-ID: <022b01c10224$143e7400$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Pooh, Here's Sam's reply to my question: << smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> Hi Salim, If I remember correctly, it was between the following decks for best performers (not in any particular order): 1000 ZXL 700 ZXL ZX-9 ZX-7 CR-7 (I don't want to misquote anyone, so here's Stephen's list just in case I missed one) Your money is better spent, especially in the long term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then the other CR, DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. I hope this helps. -Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 4:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Lost my old files! > > Hi, > > Just been trying to find my old archived Naktalk files relating to > preference order of all Naks. This was posted a few weeks ago, I think the > list was by Stephen or Salim. Anybody able to forward me a copy? I remember > the 1000ZXL, CR-7 and Dragon came near the top. Also, why is the RX-505 > preferred over quite a few other Naks when it appears that the specification > other than the autoreverse is not that special? Is it because it had a > better circuitry design and components compared to the BX/lower model > CR/CD/DR series? Thanks in advance. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 1 13:48:59 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:48:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods References: <20010701050147.93B421DFEA3@webmail.vsnl.com> <002001c101fe$e0017f40$2e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <022d01c10224$1b502540$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Lucky Kannan to find smd caps on reels. Is that Philips caps the blue rectangle thing ? I have 100n "K" blue philips caps which was used for that adcom mpx. As I understand it 'bypassing' caps is simply connecting it in parallel with the lytics and bypassing op amps are for the power supply pins (4&8 pins ?) to ground, if that's correct. But I'm a bit lost when you said "Be sure to also add nice film caps for supply HF bypassing right at the MPX chip", my usual shortcut is to bypass all lytics around mpx chip. Question is, will bypassing lytics ever get to damage something ? Or in other words - which caps should never be bypassed ? Best regards, Salim SM PS: Kannan, pls let us know how your bx300 after diode & smd mods ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > To mount the chip SMD caps, you have to remove most of the solder from the > cap you're bypassing, then use a pair of tweezers to hold it in place. > Then, with your free hand, and the end of your solder dangling in a handy > position, get a drop of fresh solder onto your iron tip & use it to tack one > end of the cap. With the cap now held by solder, neatly solder the other > end, then go back & neatly resolder the first end, making sure, of course, > that you also get the original cap's leads resoldered. Once you get the > hang of it, it will go quickly. > On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all also > happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery will > have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon > diode. > Philips makes pretty nice film & foil polystyrene caps, which should be > obtainable in your part of the world, I would think. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 1 14:09:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:09:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: <003001c10159$3bf1bd20$5d289bca@smarzuki> <004701c101ba$84fcf640$54ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <023901c10226$a7d12940$4c289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Warren, I'll try to find one locally - seems like a good bet to replace my onkyo 306 (sounds wonderful though). Are you using this Para preamp ? Is it running real hot ? Tried "bride of zen" class A diy before ... quite sure it is not made for tropical climate. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-amp question > if you want a killer preamp with a very good phonostage > try out a Parasound P/HP-850 Stereo Preamplifier > this preamp is clearing out for $250.00 > its extremely clean sounding, transparent and the phono stage > can play both mc and mm cartridges. > I honestly dont think you can buy a better preamp under > $2000.00 > check out this link and the review in listener > http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=PARPHP850 > Warren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sun Jul 1 14:59:59 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:59:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods Message-ID: <01C1020C.36120BE0@user-2ivfceb.dialup.mindspring.com> Nice Deck, prices seem to be falling a little lately, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1251742072 SPP -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods To mount the chip SMD caps, you have to remove most of the solder from the cap you're bypassing, then use a pair of tweezers to hold it in place. Then, with your free hand, and the end of your solder dangling in a handy position, get a drop of fresh solder onto your iron tip & use it to tack one end of the cap. With the cap now held by solder, neatly solder the other end, then go back & neatly resolder the first end, making sure, of course, that you also get the original cap's leads resoldered. Once you get the hang of it, it will go quickly. On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all also happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery will have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon diode. Philips makes pretty nice film & foil polystyrene caps, which should be obtainable in your part of the world, I would think. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > Thanks Stephen looking at trying out CR7 azimuth adjustment mod - > And after comparing CR7 / Dragon azimuth adjustment ; I felt Dragon auto is perfect and manual is always not that accurate. Probably because of the type of recording on them ( mostly pre - recorded) even on CR7 recording getting the accurate dead spot is not ver easy as we depend on the hearing abilities with varying levels of frequency above 5 Khz or so. But Cr7 manual azimuth is handy comapred to any other deck without that like say 582 or BX300. > I have to also agree sound of CR7 is very good to excellent probably due to its Dolby chip. > > Secondly mods to coupling caps. > Stephen > can you explain the method employed to solder these Chip SMD caps? as little guidance would definitely worth before I try them on my own without any special tools? > > > As these SMD chip caps are available in reels in my friendly shop! and the shop keeper asked me to come in early morning and sit with it to sort out the values that I need!( he says that it is a big pain sorting the values or even finding out the values whether available) > I managed to get 15 Amp fast recovery diodes allready! > I can easily try out this mod on BX300 first. > Polyuestrene - Only I have to get it from US sources and that is generally a few months project > Kannan > > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > >Haven't tried the azimuth control resolution mod on a CR-7 yet, but I'm > >gonna make Sam let me do it to his.=) Plan to try it beginning of the > >coming week. > > > > ---------------- > --------------------- > The chip caps I spoke of were simply small value, 470-1000pf/50-100V, > surface-mount caps as commonly used in camcorders, cell phones, etc. The > little brown rectangles with no markings whatsoever(I don't know why they > don't mark them). For the sake of direct soldering between small-size > electrolytic cap leads, on the solder side of the board, it's best to get > the largest size, which I believe is called "1206" size, which fit neatly > accross the solder pads of the average cap. They are dirt cheap, literally > $1 per dozen or less, very quick to install, once you get the hang of it, > and do a lot to improve the high freq performance of the electrolytics. Not > as good as any polystyrene, but not too far off. The client wanted the bulk > of the budget to go towards playback improvement, and this was the best way > to improve the record side on the remaining budget. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have heard a lot during last couple days about CR-7 outperforming 680Zx due to better Dolby chips. Thanks! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jul 1 20:23:36 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:23:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Naktalkers! Looks like today is my off-topic day. Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? Worth trying? Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? Thanks! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 1 19:31:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:31:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] "Compatibility" Message-ID: <001901c10253$9b0c4be0$46289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellows, here's a post from Jay who, for some reasons, still could not post directly to naktalk. He can read responses from digest - but in the meantime will post indrectly through me. Jay, my own response would be either with (g) dragon or (f) zx9, and I'm quite sure Carlos would suggest (d) Revox. :-) Cheers, SM ------- Salim-- Thanks for your help. Could you please post this for me? I'll be able to read all the responses in the digest... ------------------ I've been in lurk mode and have been meaning to send this for a while. My question has to do with "compatability" of recorded tapes. I have no technical knowledge or understanding of EQ, alignment, azimuth, head gap, etc.. Let's assume for this discussion I own each of the following units, all used in different locations. Let's also assume I listen to each of them for about the same amount of time each month. A. Non-Nak Car Stereo [in my commuter car] B. Nak Car Stereo [in my boss's sports car] C. Sony WM D6 prof series Walkman [while flying on a plane] D. Revox B215 [in my office] E. Nak 480 [at my dad's house] F. Nak ZX-9 [at my uncle's house] G. Nak Dragon [in my bedroom, auto reverse has its benefits ;-) ] H. Nak RX 505 [in my girlfriend's bedroom, again auto reverse has its benefits ;-) ] Questions: 1. Excluding A, B, and C (the cars and plane), where would I want to put my high end turntable and cd player to make recordings? In other words, assuming I own each of these decks, on which deck do I want to make my recordings and reap maximum sonic benefits--best sound quality-- in all locations? Why...? 2. Is there another deck I should own that would give me better "compatability"? Why...? Thanks --Jay ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 1 21:30:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:30:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <007301c10264$3f34e1e0$2e3442cf@sank1> The DBX 224X was about the best TypeII DBX unit ever made. Can't remember the number for the best TypeI units(155 is the only one I can think of right now), which Nak decks could theoretically take good advantage of. I stringly recommend getting only DBX-made units. The Tascam & other alternate versions were neither as reliable nor as good sonically. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > Hi Naktalkers! > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > Worth trying? > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? > > Thanks! > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 1 21:34:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:34:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power conditioning equipment References: <003001c1025c$668d5630$afca61d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <007b01c10264$d0cc0020$2e3442cf@sank1> My personal opinion is that there is no power conditioner I would allow near my system but a Chang Lightspeed. Everything else I have tried or friends/clients have tried had some negative impact on the sound, especially on transient attacks(drums, etc.). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power conditioning equipment > What can I use to protect my stereo equipment from electrical surges, > brownouts, lightning, etc? I heard that computer UPS's aren't ideal for > hi-fi equipment...so what is? I'm looking for something which will at least > protect the equipment, and preferably eliminate static bursts coming from > the operation of a light switch on the same circuit. > > Jim > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 1 21:37:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:37:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008101c10265$4ea3e1c0$2e3442cf@sank1> Misha, I am afraid that, although I have worked on easily hundreds of A77's, only a handful have been Dolby units, and I have only the non-Dolby service manual. I may be able to assist if you can email me some pictures of the "mess", though. Also, you may be able to get a copy of the right service manual from Schaltungsdienst. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again > Hi Naktalkers and ReVox guru! > > Just got home with disassembled (but all parts included) > Revox A-77. This one has 2 tracks and Dolby B noise reduction. > Unfortunately all wires are disconnected. I may have some clues > about half of the vires but I never had any expirience with A-77 Dolby. > So here is the question - any one has service manual for it, > or has enough Revox expirience to guide me through? > > Another question - is it good idea to exclude Dolby circuit from > this tape machine? My guess that it should promice some sonic > improvment. > > To be on-topick - same qustion about 680ZX. Is it good idea to exclude > Dolby B circuit from this one? Have heard a lot during last couple days > about CR-7 outperforming 680Zx due to better Dolby chips. > > Thanks! > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 1 21:44:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:44:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods References: <20010701050147.93B421DFEA3@webmail.vsnl.com> <002001c101fe$e0017f40$2e3442cf@sank1> <022d01c10224$1b502540$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <009001c10266$2f397920$2e3442cf@sank1> The Philips styrenes are roughly cylindrical, with a clear body, showing the silvery foil inside. What you have are the mediocre metallised polypropylenes they made. In my experience, you can't "over-bypass" a supply or signal coupling cap. It's only in feedback circuits or eq networks & such that you have to have a care about altering the cap value. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > > Hi Stephen, > > Lucky Kannan to find smd caps on reels. Is that Philips caps the blue > rectangle thing ? I have 100n "K" blue philips caps which was used for that > adcom mpx. > > As I understand it 'bypassing' caps is simply connecting it in parallel with > the lytics and bypassing op amps are for the power supply pins (4&8 pins ?) > to ground, if that's correct. But I'm a bit lost when you said "Be sure to > also add nice film caps for supply HF bypassing right at the MPX chip", my > usual shortcut is to bypass all lytics around mpx chip. Question is, will > bypassing lytics ever get to damage something ? Or in other words - which > caps should never be bypassed ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: Kannan, pls let us know how your bx300 after diode & smd mods ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > > > > To mount the chip SMD caps, you have to remove most of the solder from the > > cap you're bypassing, then use a pair of tweezers to hold it in place. > > Then, with your free hand, and the end of your solder dangling in a handy > > position, get a drop of fresh solder onto your iron tip & use it to tack > one > > end of the cap. With the cap now held by solder, neatly solder the other > > end, then go back & neatly resolder the first end, making sure, of course, > > that you also get the original cap's leads resoldered. Once you get the > > hang of it, it will go quickly. > > On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all > also > > happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery > will > > have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon > > diode. > > Philips makes pretty nice film & foil polystyrene caps, which should be > > obtainable in your part of the world, I would think. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jul 2 02:27:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:27:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <81.c716c64.287119d9@aol.com> Thanks Salim, I truly appreciate your opinions re: the Dragon. Maybe it's a visual thing for me (I am an artist of sorts) and I've always liked the Dragon's appearance. I'm glad I purchased my CR-7, but there's nothing like a Dragon in your system. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Can't remember > the number for the best TypeI units(155 is the only one I can think of right > now), which Nak decks could theoretically take good advantage of. I > stringly recommend getting only DBX-made units. The Tascam & other > alternate versions were neither as reliable nor as good sonically. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > Hi Naktalkers! > > > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > > Worth trying? > > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? > > > > Thanks! > > Misha > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Mon Jul 2 04:17:34 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:17:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <007301c10264$3f34e1e0$2e3442cf@sank1> <005e01c1029b$1ac52a40$7f232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <3B3FD9BE.EBED664F@telcel.net.ve> What is your opinion of the dbx 3BX-DS??? Isy Carlos wrote: > And the one after that model, the 228, was a real worhorse. I still have one > 20+ years old. The 228 has 19" rack, dbx disc option and expander. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > The DBX 224X was about the best TypeII DBX unit ever made. Can't remember > > the number for the best TypeI units(155 is the only one I can think of > right > > now), which Nak decks could theoretically take good advantage of. I > > stringly recommend getting only DBX-made units. The Tascam & other > > alternate versions were neither as reliable nor as good sonically. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Mironov" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:23 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > > > > Hi Naktalkers! > > > > > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > > > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > > > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > > > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > > > Worth trying? > > > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Misha > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 2 09:10:35 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:10:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Performance Message-ID: <3B401E6B.88D64DBF@sunint.co.za> I have had the pleasure of sharing some time and space with a 682ZX which I will probably buy. It is immaculate in every respect.....I don't know whether the 682ZX is that much better (or indeed any different)sounding than a 680 but I'm really impressed with the accuracy and clarity of the deck. Despite the slight rise in HF of XLII-S tape, a recording I did of various material is one of the best I have ever done. Recordings done by a friend on his CR7E are excellent, but it's hard to judge when using different systems, music and tape types whether the CR7 is better - or rather how it is better. I guess I would have to assume that it is from all of you who know both decks. Stephen defined the quality of the CR7 in an earlier post today. One thing I do notice is that recordings done onto TDK MA on a Nakmichi CR7E are perfect on the 682ZX, excellent on a Pioneer CT-S640S and a Tascam 112. Recordings done on the 682ZX are perfect again except for the Tascam on which it becomes like medium wave radio. A couple of rechecks showed this to happen every time. The Tascam is fine (within the boundaries of being the machine it is) with all other material, pre-recordeds etc. Is this something to do with the old issue of the older Nakamichi deck sometimes not compatible with other decks but the newer ones were less prone to this. Marc SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/29/2001 12:28:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Hi Nakfellows, > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for sound > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds 'muddy' > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to find > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a properly > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to dragon. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > >> > > Hi Salim, > > For what it worth (I've never heard a Nak 680), I really like the sound of > the CR-7. So much so I finally purchased one. If you have the opportunity > to purchase one, I would recommend it. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 2 09:11:53 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:11:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX7 Message-ID: <3B401EB9.1EA50B13@sunint.co.za> Thanks Salim All the best in your quest for a ZX-9. It's seems extremely desirable spec wise, looks and it's reputation for durability as well. Definitely one I would try to get too. Now, the ZX-5, that's rare surely! I've just read. (I'm a bit behind) the post from Stephen re the frequency response of the Nakamichis in general. This is fascinating. When I listen to the source/playback I often shake my head at their achievement. It's little wonder they never showed any interest in Dolby S. Cheers, Marc Salim Marzuki wrote: Marc, I didn't see any comment on your zx post yet - although you successfully got Mr. Carlos back on line :-) . From an 84 stereo review buyers guide I read that zx9 is a direct drive version of zx7 (belt driven) and incorporated higher quality caps / electronics all over. Specs are similar except for zx9's lower w&f, and only says "sonic improvements" over zx7. I remembered several posts long time ago regarding 30k response, not sure whether that related to ZX9 or ZXLs (my pc crashed and all naktalk 'history' not backed up yet). I'm not a real nak collector (although friends already called me lunatics), but I won't stop looking for a ZX9 ! Right now the only ZX I have is a "5", a bx300 with a different frontplate and cass door. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > I heard that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 were limited editions, and that they would therefore > rate as collectors decks (I confess to being a collector, limited or not). I also > heard that the ZX-9 was very highly tuned, although don't know what that might mean. > Perhaps the PB head is EQ'd more...... I further heard, not from any particular > authority that I remember, that the ZX-9 and perhaps the ZX-7 also are capable of > delivering frequencies up to 30 000hz. > > But what would attract me mainly, if either of them came my way, would be the handsome > appearance and the fact that they were, I think, built before any outsourcing of > manufacture went outside Japan. I'm presuming the mechanisms were Nakamichis as well. > > Whe it comes to Nakamichi's, I feel like Oliver Twist...."Please Sir, I want some > more....." > > That's a good point, haven't heard from Carlos for a while, to come to think of it, not > since Ms Puerto Rico won the Ms Universe title in her own home town. Not a peep > !!!!!!!! > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 10:54:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 02:54:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Performance References: <3B401E6B.88D64DBF@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <001101c102d4$a60a4de0$033442cf@sank1> Without further details of the differences, I have no explanation on the difference between tapes played on the Tascam. Especially if both play well on the Pioneer & on each other. Damned weird. Got any spectum analysis capabilities? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Performance > I have had the pleasure of sharing some time and space with a 682ZX > which I will > probably buy. It is immaculate in every respect.....I don't know > whether the 682ZX is > that much better (or indeed any different)sounding than a 680 but I'm > really impressed > with the accuracy and clarity of the deck. Despite the slight rise in > HF of XLII-S > tape, a recording I did of various material is one of the best I have > ever done. > Recordings done by a friend on his CR7E are excellent, but it's hard to > judge when > using different systems, music and tape types whether the CR7 is better > - or rather how > it is better. I guess I would have to assume that it is from all of > you who know both > decks. Stephen defined the quality of the CR7 in an earlier post today. > > One thing I do notice is that recordings done onto TDK MA on a Nakmichi > CR7E are > perfect on the 682ZX, excellent on a Pioneer CT-S640S and a Tascam 112. > Recordings > done on the 682ZX are perfect again except for the Tascam on which it > becomes like > medium wave radio. A couple of rechecks showed this to happen every > time. The Tascam > is fine (within the boundaries of being the machine it is) with all > other material, > pre-recordeds etc. Is this something to do with the old issue of the > older Nakamichi > deck sometimes not compatible with other decks but the newer ones were > less prone to > this. > > Marc > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/29/2001 12:28:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > > << Hi Nakfellows, > > > > Finally have the chance to listen to a CR7 ... amazing clarity for > sound > > coming off a tape ! My previous favorite a 680zx suddenly sounds > 'muddy' > > compared to this one. Is CR7 really that good or do I really need to > find > > head alignment tools ? Should the difference between this and a > properly > > aligned 680zx be audible ? I even preferred this one compared to > dragon. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > >> > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > For what it worth (I've never heard a Nak 680), I really like the > sound of > > the CR-7. So much so I finally purchased one. If you have the > opportunity > > to purchase one, I would recommend it. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 11:02:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:02:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods References: <20010702043024.DD5C41DFDF9@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001b01c102d5$c8a91ba0$033442cf@sank1> The value of the styrene bypass will depend in majority upon the parameters of the propylene cap used. A really good propylene(Relcap, Wonder, Multicap, etc.) may get maximum benefit from styrene less than one percent of it's value, while a crappy one may require 10 percent or more(e.g., "box" type metallised propylenes from Ero, Roe, Wima, Philips, etc.). And, of course, it will depend to some extent upon the quality of the styrene. I have no idea what "extended foil" is supposed to mean on a styrene cap. Makes no sense in literal terms. Can't say I have heard of them, but they are certainly cheap enough. On the propylenes you mention, I must assume that they are metallised types, and could be good or bad, depending on manufacturer(see above for the crappy types!). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > Thanks > Stephen > The polypropylene ones are meant for sometimes power electronics application like motor controllers etc. They are available in plenty here. > The Styrene ones are called Philips precision polyuestrenes - I have to check with distributers here. Philips division making passive components have been hived off as BC components now and they do not have polyuesterene in their range now. These precision Polyuestrenes may be available in 100 or 1000 number packets each value ( old stocks ! - I have few 470 pF value samples) with some Philips stockists; you may have to accept few available values - I think one can not get beyond 1000 pF values. Since bypassing 2.2 uF signal caps may require around 100 nF or more ; these values are below the values that we may seek. But I think even if I get around 10 nF values I may purchase as they can serve in some areas? > > But "RS components" is having "Extended Foil EXFS Series Polystyrene Capacitors" with values not exceeding 10nF price around 0.5 $ each. What do you think of them - thay have not indicated any manufacturers name. Also they are having Polypropelene values of 1 - 4.7uF ( 630V AC)for audio - they claim that it will serve for cross over/ tube amplifiers. However no idea of the manufacturer of these caps. The price is around 4 -5 $ range a piece. > > When I tried Philips website ; I found that they have better quality SMD caps than these 1206 variety ones for high frquency bypass in power supply decoupling video/ microprocessor applications requiring low impedences around 400Mhz! > Kannan > > > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > > > >The Philips styrenes are roughly cylindrical, with a clear body, showing the > >silvery foil inside. What you have are the mediocre metallised > >polypropylenes they made. > >In my experience, you can't "over-bypass" a supply or signal coupling cap. > >It's only in feedback circuits or eq networks & such that you have to have a > >care about altering the cap value. > > > >Stephen Sank, > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 11:05:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:05:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mod References: <20010702051730.234BE1DFCA4@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002101c102d6$15760ec0$033442cf@sank1> The fast diodes may make a positive difference, but not as much as soft recovery diodes, by far. It's worth it to get them. Wasn't aware of Motorola making any soft-recovery types yet. Harris Semiconductor is still Harris, as far as I know. Haven't found another source besides Percy yet, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mod > I got the ultra fast recovery diodes ( I think they are Motorola make ) > I also checked On elcetronics ( Motorola had hived off its semiconductor division as On elctronics!) website and found that they are also having soft recovery diodes along with fast/ ultra fast recovery diodes. I think anybody would become crazy with these names! > While International rectifiers have only fast & ultra fast ( also IXYS make advertised by Percy) Somehow I am not able to find out about Harris semiconductor - they have hived off their semiconductor division by any chance? > > Stephen whether these ultra fast recovery diodes should do? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > > >On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all also > >happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery will > >have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon > >diode. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 2 14:17:39 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:17:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For the Blues fans Message-ID: <3B406662.34A07079@sunint.co.za> Just picked this up from the ultimateaudio group here....... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All JLH fans John Lee Hooker, the last of the delta bluesmen, died on 21 June 2001 of natural causes at the age of 83 years. Have a safe trip, John. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Jul 2 15:06:31 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:06:31 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, I'm aware, that lower BX'es are pretty crappy in general, so please don't consider me as a die-hard fan of those. It's just happened to be, that I own a BX-2, that permanently develops signs of pretty strange behaviour. Not that I desperately want to turn it into a great piece of gear at any cost, but to fully understand the reasons causing such a behaviour would be IMHO simply educative enough... Question #1 is as follows: My BX-2 has been fine-tuned and aligned by myself using proper equipment and calibration tapes. It makes decent records, which play well on other Naks as well as non-Naks. The problem is that even its "own" tapes (tapes recorded exactly on this particular deck) sound dull and constrained being played back on it. The feeling is akin to azimuth being slightly off. Nevertheless, just put them into any other machine and you get it - the sound is clear and quite crisp! What can this be? Question #2: Is there any possibility to RADICALLY change the sound (for better, naturally) of a BX-2? Or would it be way too expensive (like replacing 2/3 of the components etc.) and thus meaningless? TIA Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jul 2 16:31:51 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:31:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <008101c10265$4ea3e1c0$2e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen! Many thanks. The main problem with my Revox is that I can not identify all the wires going from Dolby PCBs. There is six shielded, and about eight unshielded wires. Most of them going to pins around "tape-source-calibration"selector switch. There is also three wires going from meters PCB that has no visible place to connect. One of my guess is that those wires going to Dolby cross-PCB, but I'm not sure. And there is another three wires in around Dolby PCBs that I can not identify. I can tell you all the colours if it will help. There is also some shileds I can not place right - two small ones and one big. Also some parts that realy confusing me - some kind of wire spring, and small metal panel. I'm not sure where it should go. Stephen, if there any way you can scan pages from standard Revox service manual showing all the parts, and some schematics - that will be great. Thanks a lot! Misha >Misha, I am afraid that, although I have worked on easily hundreds of A77's, >only a handful have been Dolby units, and I have only the non-Dolby service >manual. I may be able to assist if you can email me some pictures of the >"mess", though. Also, you may be able to get a copy of the right service >manual from Schaltungsdienst. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Mon Jul 2 16:25:10 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:25:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mod Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9577@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> The Magazine "The Audio Amateur" tested many diodes a few years back to find out which "fast" ones were acceptable for Audio use. As stated below many of them did ring and were no improvement or hurt the sound. They found the best one to be the GI-851. I've tried using these and Hexfreds in my electronics and this has lower the sound floor and low level details are much clearer. This is always a definite must upgrade for me. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mod > > I got the ultra fast recovery diodes ( I think they are Motorola make ) > I also checked On elcetronics ( Motorola had hived off its semiconductor > division as On elctronics!) website and found that they are also having > soft recovery diodes along with fast/ ultra fast recovery diodes. I think > anybody would become crazy with these names! > While International rectifiers have only fast & ultra fast ( also IXYS > make advertised by Percy) Somehow I am not able to find out about Harris > semiconductor - they have hived off their semiconductor division by any > chance? > > Stephen whether these ultra fast recovery diodes should do? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 -700zxl mods > > >On the rectifiers, you want *soft* recovery epitaxial diodes, which all > also > >happen to be ultra-high-speed. A diode that is merely *fast* recovery > will > >have the same or worse ringing/HF noise generation as an ordinary silicon > >diode. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jul 2 19:11:57 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:11:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question In-Reply-To: <057701c100ff$9296c760$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, thanks for the information. I will keep my eyes open for your suggestion. If I do find one, I will likely go for the 'normal' upgrade soon....then, when I am older and richer (I can dream), I will get radical, as it were. When I have the money, I hope to throw a lot of it your way, because I think you deserve it....for helping us out like you do and for being the honest and knowledgeable audiophile you are. Another thing I would like to do soon is cure the crossover problem you said my Carver ALIII Plus ribbon hybrids have. I have looked over the internal crossover and it is junk. I know that an external active crossover would be very beneficial, but...with economics in mind, can I replace the electronics on the crossovers with quality parts and realize measurable benefits? Alex Cagann > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 7:57 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > > The Moscode Minuet/Minuet in A is a great sounding tube hybrid preamp as > stock, which you can usually get for $400-500 when they come up. With my > "radical rebuild" upgrade mods, it's the best preamp I have yet > heard, both --------------------------------------- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 21:10:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:10:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <008101c10265$4ea3e1c0$2e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005801c1032a$9def4ce0$033442cf@sank1> I'll do what I can about scanning pages from the standard manual for you. Your description of what's loose isn't giving me any clues. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again > Hi Stephen! > > Many thanks. The main problem with my Revox is that I can not > identify all the wires going from Dolby PCBs. There is six shielded, > and about eight unshielded wires. Most of them going to pins around > "tape-source-calibration"selector switch. There is also three wires > going from meters PCB that has no visible place to connect. One of > my guess is that those wires going to Dolby cross-PCB, but I'm not sure. > And there is another three wires in around Dolby PCBs that I can not > identify. I can tell you all the colours if it will help. > There is also some shileds I can not place right - two small ones and one big. > Also some parts that realy confusing me - some kind of wire spring, > and small metal panel. I'm not sure where it should go. > Stephen, if there any way you can scan pages from standard Revox > service manual showing all the parts, and some schematics - that will be > great. > > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > >Misha, I am afraid that, although I have worked on easily hundreds of A77's, > >only a handful have been Dolby units, and I have only the non-Dolby service > >manual. I may be able to assist if you can email me some pictures of the > >"mess", though. Also, you may be able to get a copy of the right service > >manual from Schaltungsdienst. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 21:25:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:25:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] pre-amp question References: Message-ID: <006801c1032c$cc4060a0$033442cf@sank1> It would probably be cheaper to bypass the Carver speaker crossovers & put a Rane AC-22 electronic crossover into your system for about $150-200 average used price. Assuming you have a second power amp, of course. And it would give you a lot more flexibility in adjusting for the peculiarities of the speakers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] pre-amp question > Stephen, thanks for the information. I will keep my eyes open for your > suggestion. If I do find one, I will likely go for the 'normal' upgrade > soon....then, when I am older and richer (I can dream), I will get radical, > as it were. When I have the money, I hope to throw a lot of it your way, > because I think you deserve it....for helping us out like you do and for > being the honest and knowledgeable audiophile you are. Another thing I > would like to do soon is cure the crossover problem you said my Carver ALIII > Plus ribbon hybrids have. I have looked over the internal crossover and it > is junk. I know that an external active crossover would be very beneficial, > but...with economics in mind, can I replace the electronics on the > crossovers with quality parts and realize measurable benefits? > > Alex Cagann > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 7:57 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] pre-amp question > > > > > > The Moscode Minuet/Minuet in A is a great sounding tube hybrid preamp as > > stock, which you can usually get for $400-500 when they come up. With my > > "radical rebuild" upgrade mods, it's the best preamp I have yet > > heard, both > --------------------------------------- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 2 21:32:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:32:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <007401c1032d$c77aa5c0$033442cf@sank1> Assuming the r/p head is not worn badly, it sounds like you simply have the bias set a little bit on the high side. Or perhaps set optimally, which tends to act like overbias on the high freqs, due to the Sendust head's response parameters. Try under-biasing a bit & see if that cures the problem. Yes, upgrading a 2-head BX deck is a little bit on the absurd side of things, but opamp replacements, capacitor bypassing(with cheap film or chip caps) & rectifier replacement can be little enough expense & effort to perhaps be worthwile. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 > Guys, > > I'm aware, that lower BX'es are pretty crappy in general, so please don't > consider me as a die-hard fan of those. It's just happened to be, that I own > a BX-2, that permanently develops signs of pretty strange behaviour. Not > that I desperately want to turn it into a great piece of gear at any cost, > but to fully understand the reasons causing such a behaviour would be IMHO > simply educative enough... > > Question #1 is as follows: > > My BX-2 has been fine-tuned and aligned by myself using proper equipment and > calibration tapes. It makes decent records, which play well on other Naks as > well as non-Naks. The problem is that even its "own" tapes (tapes recorded > exactly on this particular deck) sound dull and constrained being played > back on it. The feeling is akin to azimuth being slightly off. Nevertheless, > just put them into any other machine and you get it - the sound is clear and > quite crisp! What can this be? > > Question #2: > > Is there any possibility to RADICALLY change the sound (for better, > naturally) of a BX-2? Or would it be way too expensive (like replacing 2/3 > of the components etc.) and thus meaningless? > > TIA > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jul 2 23:02:59 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:02:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? In-Reply-To: <006801c1032c$cc4060a0$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, there is one for sale on ebay. It has XLR outputs and inputs....so how would I do all the wiring? I have two stereo amps driving 650 watts a piece. The Carvers are currently bi-amped with one amp doing the ribbons, one doing the subs. I have a couple of high quality y connecters off the preamp out splitting the tara labs interconnect. I know how to disconnect the crossovers in the speakers, of course....I'm just wondering about getting good connections from the amps, through the crossover, and to the speakers. Alex > It would probably be cheaper to bypass the Carver speaker > crossovers & put a > Rane AC-22 electronic crossover into your system for about > $150-200 average > used price. Assuming you have a second power amp, of course. > And it would > give you a lot more flexibility in adjusting for the peculiarities of the > speakers. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 23:02:04 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:02:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <008101c10265$4ea3e1c0$2e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Dear Misha, I have the Service Manual with the Dolby section included. I will be happy to scan and send to You the parts You might need...just give some time for the scanning and zipping! Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again > Hi Stephen! > > Many thanks. The main problem with my Revox is that I can not > identify all the wires going from Dolby PCBs. There is six shielded, > and about eight unshielded wires. Most of them going to pins around > "tape-source-calibration"selector switch. There is also three wires > going from meters PCB that has no visible place to connect. One of > my guess is that those wires going to Dolby cross-PCB, but I'm not sure. > And there is another three wires in around Dolby PCBs that I can not > identify. I can tell you all the colours if it will help. > There is also some shileds I can not place right - two small ones and one big. > Also some parts that realy confusing me - some kind of wire spring, > and small metal panel. I'm not sure where it should go. > Stephen, if there any way you can scan pages from standard Revox > service manual showing all the parts, and some schematics - that will be > great. > > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > >Misha, I am afraid that, although I have worked on easily hundreds of A77's, > >only a handful have been Dolby units, and I have only the non-Dolby service > >manual. I may be able to assist if you can email me some pictures of the > >"mess", though. Also, you may be able to get a copy of the right service > >manual from Schaltungsdienst. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 2 23:27:14 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:27:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <007301c10264$3f34e1e0$2e3442cf@sank1> <005e01c1029b$1ac52a40$7f232ac4@coqui.net> <3B3FD9BE.EBED664F@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <001a01c1033d$c416c700$81232ac4@coqui.net> Hello Isy: Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with that specific model. I'm sorry, but, I can say that my experience with dbx Type I or II has been good. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > What is your opinion of the dbx 3BX-DS??? > Isy > > Carlos wrote: > > > And the one after that model, the 228, was a real worhorse. I still have one > > 20+ years old. The 228 has 19" rack, dbx disc option and expander. > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > Copytech Corporation > > Puerto Rico > > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > > The DBX 224X was about the best TypeII DBX unit ever made. Can't remember > > > the number for the best TypeI units(155 is the only one I can think of > > right > > > now), which Nak decks could theoretically take good advantage of. I > > > stringly recommend getting only DBX-made units. The Tascam & other > > > alternate versions were neither as reliable nor as good sonically. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Mironov" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:23 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > > > > > > > Hi Naktalkers! > > > > > > > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > > > > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > > > > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > > > > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > > > > Worth trying? > > > > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Misha > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jul 3 00:10:15 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:10:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250125463 No picture- "Rare esoteric cassette deck. This unit won rave reviews in the early 80s when it won awards for design and performance. Black rack mount unit has 3 heads and direct drive spindle motor, all disctrete circuitry. Unfortunatly it needs some work." Also, there is another Museatex DA for sale on ebay...and it is actually down the street from me. It is a small unit. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 3 02:29:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:29:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? References: Message-ID: <00b701c10357$3857c9c0$033442cf@sank1> The AC-22(and most similar pro xover units) are not truly balanced in/out, so there is no loss simply using XLR-to-RCA, balanced-to-unbalanced cables, which are easily bought from any cable supplier. The crossover unit would essentially replace the "Y" adaptors between the preamp & the amps. In the speakers, you'd simply remove the internal crossovers & wire the speaker terminals directly to the driver connections. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > Stephen, there is one for sale on ebay. It has XLR outputs and inputs....so > how would I do all the wiring? I have two stereo amps driving 650 watts a > piece. The Carvers are currently bi-amped with one amp doing the ribbons, > one doing the subs. I have a couple of high quality y connecters off the > preamp out splitting the tara labs interconnect. I know how to disconnect > the crossovers in the speakers, of course....I'm just wondering about > getting good connections from the amps, through the crossover, and to the > speakers. > > Alex > > > It would probably be cheaper to bypass the Carver speaker > > crossovers & put a > > Rane AC-22 electronic crossover into your system for about > > $150-200 average > > used price. Assuming you have a second power amp, of course. > > And it would > > give you a lot more flexibility in adjusting for the peculiarities of the > > speakers. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 3 02:32:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:32:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> <007301c10264$3f34e1e0$2e3442cf@sank1> <005e01c1029b$1ac52a40$7f232ac4@coqui.net> <3B3FD9BE.EBED664F@telcel.net.ve> <001a01c1033d$c416c700$81232ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00bf01c10357$94f4e500$033442cf@sank1> The 3BX series were three-band stereo expander units. Meant to restore dynamics, but not really much good for noise reduction. Well built units, though. In general, the original DBX company's equipment was the most reliable stuff I have ever seen. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > Hello Isy: > > Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with that specific model. I'm sorry, but, I > can say that my experience with dbx Type I or II has been good. > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > What is your opinion of the dbx 3BX-DS??? > > Isy > > > > Carlos wrote: > > > > > And the one after that model, the 228, was a real worhorse. I still have > one > > > 20+ years old. The 228 has 19" rack, dbx disc option and expander. > > > > > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > > > Copytech Corporation > > > Puerto Rico > > > copytec at coqui.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > > > > The DBX 224X was about the best TypeII DBX unit ever made. Can't > remember > > > > the number for the best TypeI units(155 is the only one I can think of > > > right > > > > now), which Nak decks could theoretically take good advantage of. I > > > > stringly recommend getting only DBX-made units. The Tascam & other > > > > alternate versions were neither as reliable nor as good sonically. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Mironov" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:23 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Naktalkers! > > > > > > > > > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > > > > > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > > > > > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > > > > > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > > > > > Worth trying? > > > > > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or > bad? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Misha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 3 02:48:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:48:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? References: Message-ID: <00cd01c10359$dfb15cc0$033442cf@sank1> The Eumig FL-1000 deck was a really interesting design. Extremely unusual motor drive system. I've only ever worked on one of them, but I'm intrigued enough by the design that I've been keeping this one on my watch list since the day it was listed, so I can buy it if it stays cheap enough. The Museatex DAC expiring on ebay tomorrow is the Melior BS-1, which was the predecessor of the BiDAT, and is a superb unit. Only the BiDAT & IDAT44 better it, in my opinion. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250125463 > > No picture- > > "Rare esoteric cassette deck. This unit won rave reviews in the early 80s > when it won awards for design and performance. Black rack mount unit has 3 > heads and direct drive spindle motor, all disctrete circuitry. Unfortunatly > it needs some work." > > Also, there is another Museatex DA for sale on ebay...and it is actually > down the street from me. It is a small unit. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jul 3 03:00:19 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:00:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? References: <00cd01c10359$dfb15cc0$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c1035b$88419070$89756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Hope you get it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what is this? > The Eumig FL-1000 deck was a really interesting design. Extremely unusual > motor drive system. I've only ever worked on one of them, but I'm intrigued > enough by the design that I've been keeping this one on my watch list since > the day it was listed, so I can buy it if it stays cheap enough. > The Museatex DAC expiring on ebay tomorrow is the Melior BS-1, which was the > predecessor of the BiDAT, and is a superb unit. Only the BiDAT & IDAT44 > better it, in my opinion. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250125463 > > > > No picture- > > > > "Rare esoteric cassette deck. This unit won rave reviews in the early 80s > > when it won awards for design and performance. Black rack mount unit has 3 > > heads and direct drive spindle motor, all disctrete circuitry. > Unfortunatly > > it needs some work." > > > > Also, there is another Museatex DA for sale on ebay...and it is actually > > down the street from me. It is a small unit. > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 03:15:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:15:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 'compatibility' question (re-post) Message-ID: <000f01c1035d$ae86db80$44289bca@smarzuki> I've been in lurk mode and have been meaning to send this for a while. My question has to do with "compatibility" of recorded tapes. I have no technical knowledge or understanding of EQ, alignment, azimuth, head gap, etc.. Let's assume for this discussion I own each of the following units, all used in different locations. Let's also assume I listen to each of them for about the same amount of time each month. A. Non-Nak Car Stereo [in my commuter car] B. Nak Car Stereo [in my boss's sports car] C. Sony WM D6 prof series Walkman [while flying on a plane] D. Revox B215 [in my office] E. Nak 480 [at my dad's house] F. Nak ZX-9 [at my uncle's house] G. Nak Dragon [in my bedroom, auto reverse has its benefits ;-) ] H. Nak RX 505 [in my girlfriend's bedroom, again auto reverse has its benefits ;-) ] Questions: 1. Excluding A, B, and C (the cars and plane), where would I want to put my high end turntable and cd player to make recordings? In other words, assuming I own each of these decks, on which deck do I want to make my recordings and reap maximum sonic benefits--best sound quality-- in all locations? Why...? 2. Is there another deck I should own that would give me better "compatability"? Why...? Thanks --Jay ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 3 03:17:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:17:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2001 7:32:23 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The 3BX series were three-band stereo expander units. Meant to restore dynamics, but not really much good for noise reduction. Well built units, though. In general, the original DBX company's equipment was the most reliable stuff I have ever seen. >> I own a 3BX range expander and maybe I can answer any question you have about this unit. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jul 3 04:27:41 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:27:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? References: <00b701c10357$3857c9c0$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B412D9D.2304E5@concentric.net> Rane makes both the AC-22 and AC-22B, the 'B' being the balanced I/O version. You can find schematics, data sheets and manual on the Rane web site. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The AC-22(and most similar pro xover units) are not truly balanced in/out, > so there is no loss simply using XLR-to-RCA, balanced-to-unbalanced cables, > which are easily bought from any cable supplier. The crossover unit would > essentially replace the "Y" adaptors between the preamp & the amps. In the > speakers, you'd simply remove the internal crossovers & wire the speaker > terminals directly to the driver connections. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:02 PM > Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > > > Stephen, there is one for sale on ebay. It has XLR outputs and > inputs....so > > how would I do all the wiring? I have two stereo amps driving 650 watts a > > piece. The Carvers are currently bi-amped with one amp doing the ribbons, > > one doing the subs. I have a couple of high quality y connecters off the > > preamp out splitting the tara labs interconnect. I know how to disconnect > > the crossovers in the speakers, of course....I'm just wondering about > > getting good connections from the amps, through the crossover, and to the > > speakers. > > > > Alex > > > > > It would probably be cheaper to bypass the Carver speaker > > > crossovers & put a > > > Rane AC-22 electronic crossover into your system for about > > > $150-200 average > > > used price. Assuming you have a second power amp, of course. > > > And it would > > > give you a lot more flexibility in adjusting for the peculiarities of > the > > > speakers. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 3 05:35:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:05:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: <20010703033511.CCEC81DFC3C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 3 05:51:57 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:21:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20010703035157.DD15A1DFDE9@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 08:14:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:14:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? References: <00b701c10357$3857c9c0$033442cf@sank1> <3B412D9D.2304E5@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001401c10387$bfac6860$51289bca@smarzuki> Hi Alex, It's quite easy to build your own active xo - plus you have so many web references. You already have the extra amp, just give it a try.and possibly upgrade to better components / caps later on. I built my own 4th order (switchable to 1st order at 2 frequencies each) which gives me a very flexible system .... if you stay in one place ! Mine is standard 5532 op amp with wima caps but sounds okay and unbeatable convenience + cost esp if you want to experiment with different cutoff frequencies: replace 2-4 relatively cheap caps and you're set (would be great if you can use Rane's design). The only problem is knowing when to stop those experiments. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > > Rane makes both the AC-22 and AC-22B, the 'B' being > the balanced I/O version. You can find schematics, > data sheets and manual on the Rane web site. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 09:04:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:04:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <81.c716c64.287119d9@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c1038e$86c23b40$1e299bca@smarzuki> Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with red leds ... wow. To LX users - what is LX's hinged door made of ? I saw lx3 which feels like made from metal / alum but there's also an lx5 with plastic door. What gives ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > Thanks Salim, I truly appreciate your opinions re: the Dragon. Maybe it's a > visual thing for me (I am an artist of sorts) and I've always liked the > Dragon's appearance. I'm glad I purchased my CR-7, but there's nothing like > a Dragon in your system. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 08:54:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:54:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <022c01c10224$17be24e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001401c1038e$83070800$1e299bca@smarzuki> Hi Misha, If you keep all your decks in tip top shape and uniform alignment, it might be worth the try. Otherwise, in my experience, most of the times dbx only add headache .... to me, dolby c is a good tradeoff between noise reduction and hassle. I once use 'one of those' technics dbx deck, teac deck also genuine 224 / 228. Plus I get to hear its 'pumping' effect, but that's nitpicking. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx > Hi Naktalkers! > > Looks like today is my off-topic day. > Here is the question. I want to adopt some dbx noise limiter > to one (or two) of my Naks. Some people told me that good > dbx will outpreform any Dolby C or S systems. Is it true? > Worth trying? > Than - here is one older Technics dbx unit. Do they made good or bad? > > Thanks! > Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jul 3 09:47:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 03:47:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? References: <00b701c10357$3857c9c0$033442cf@sank1> <3B412D9D.2304E5@concentric.net> <001401c10387$bfac6860$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B417876.762E662B@concentric.net> I was going to suggest building a crossover from scratch, possibly copying the Rane design. But note that they do not include values of parts in the filter section. If you want to build their design, you'll need a physical AC-22 to get the values from. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > It's quite easy to build your own active xo - plus you have so many web > references. You already have the extra amp, just give it a try.and possibly > upgrade to better components / caps later on. I built my own 4th order > (switchable to 1st order at 2 frequencies each) which gives me a very > flexible system .... if you stay in one place ! Mine is standard 5532 op > amp with wima caps but sounds okay and unbeatable convenience + cost esp if > you want to experiment with different cutoff frequencies: replace 2-4 > relatively cheap caps and you're set (would be great if you can use Rane's > design). The only problem is knowing when to stop those experiments. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > > > > > Rane makes both the AC-22 and AC-22B, the 'B' being > > the balanced I/O version. You can find schematics, > > data sheets and manual on the Rane web site. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 3 09:56:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:56:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx In-Reply-To: <00bf01c10357$94f4e500$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000101c10395$b0296d80$f637883e@a4s1s2> I use one of these units (which I bought over e-Bay). It works very well provided the expansion is not pushed too far, when it can cause a kind of audible pumping effect. However, if used modestly, it can greatly enhance flat recordings. For example, I have some nice Beethoven records - god orchestra and conductor but the recordings themselves tend to be lacking in dynamics. The 3bx brings them back to life so that the difference is from "boring" to "exciting", giving me what is best about Beethoven - quiet subtle passages contrasting with a sudden and massive tidal wave of sound. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 03 July 2001 01:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx The 3BX series were three-band stereo expander units. Meant to restore dynamics, but not really much good for noise reduction. Well built units, though. In general, the original DBX company's equipment was the most reliable stuff I have ever seen. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 3 10:06:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:06:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <81.c716c64.287119d9@aol.com> <001501c1038e$86c23b40$1e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <016501c10397$0efea900$033442cf@sank1> The LX-5/LX-3 front panel & doors are entirely plastic, which is why I really hated the look for the first few years. But after getting for myself a 700ZXE, I started to appreciate the look. The ZXE/ZXL panel's silver parts are metal, though. Incidentally, for anyone who has an LX deck with oxidation spotting on the silver plastic bits, a common product called "Nu Vinyl", rubbed on generously & briskly & then wiped right off, does a remarkable job of making the spots almost completely disappear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), imo > the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with red > leds ... wow. > > To LX users - what is LX's hinged door made of ? I saw lx3 which feels like > made from metal / alum but there's also an lx5 with plastic door. What > gives ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > > > > Thanks Salim, I truly appreciate your opinions re: the Dragon. Maybe it's > a > > visual thing for me (I am an artist of sorts) and I've always liked the > > Dragon's appearance. I'm glad I purchased my CR-7, but there's nothing > like > > a Dragon in your system. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jul 3 13:00:08 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:00:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <000101c10395$b0296d80$f637883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B41A5B8.35A153A@sunint.co.za> Beautifully put Graham, Long live the Maestro. The composer most likely to turn the listener into a conductor. Cheers Marc Graham Nelson wrote: > I use one of these units (which I bought over e-Bay). It works very well > provided the expansion is not pushed too far, when it can cause a kind of > audible pumping effect. However, if used modestly, it can greatly enhance > flat recordings. For example, I have some nice Beethoven records - god > orchestra and conductor but the recordings themselves tend to be lacking in > dynamics. The 3bx brings them back to life so that the difference is from > "boring" to "exciting", giving me what is best about Beethoven - quiet > subtle passages contrasting with a sudden and massive tidal wave of sound. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 03 July 2001 01:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > The 3BX series were three-band stereo expander units. Meant to restore > dynamics, but not really much good for noise reduction. Well built units, > though. > In general, the original DBX company's equipment was the most reliable stuff > I have ever seen. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Misha >I'll do what I can about scanning pages from the standard manual for you. >Your description of what's loose isn't giving me any clues. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Jul 3 13:58:01 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:58:01 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, just check this out! Unfortunately, it's in German, but the pics are really impressive. http://rearwing.dyndns.org/eumig/ Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what is this? > > The Eumig FL-1000 deck was a really interesting design. Extremely unusual > motor drive system. I've only ever worked on one of them, but I'm > intrigued > enough by the design that I've been keeping this one on my watch list > since > the day it was listed, so I can buy it if it stays cheap enough. > The Museatex DAC expiring on ebay tomorrow is the Melior BS-1, which was > the > predecessor of the BiDAT, and is a superb unit. Only the BiDAT & IDAT44 > better it, in my opinion. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250125463 > > > > No picture- > > > > "Rare esoteric cassette deck. This unit won rave reviews in the early > 80s > > when it won awards for design and performance. Black rack mount unit has > 3 > > heads and direct drive spindle motor, all disctrete circuitry. > Unfortunatly > > it needs some work." > > > > Also, there is another Museatex DA for sale on ebay...and it is actually > > down the street from me. It is a small unit. > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 16:09:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:09:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <81.c716c64.287119d9@aol.com> <001501c1038e$86c23b40$1e299bca@smarzuki> <016501c10397$0efea900$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002e01c103cb$33145720$9d299bca@smarzuki> Strange ... I'm pretty sure that LX3 hinged door I held was made from brushed aluminum, and it was too good to be custom made. Didn't pay attention at cass door at that time. But the design itself is 'chic'. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > The LX-5/LX-3 front panel & doors are entirely plastic, which is why I > really hated the look for the first few years. But after getting for myself > a 700ZXE, I started to appreciate the look. The ZXE/ZXL panel's silver > parts are metal, though. > Incidentally, for anyone who has an LX deck with oxidation spotting on the > silver plastic bits, a common product called "Nu Vinyl", rubbed on > generously & briskly & then wiped right off, does a remarkable job of making > the spots almost completely disappear. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 16:17:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:17:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? References: <00b701c10357$3857c9c0$033442cf@sank1> <3B412D9D.2304E5@concentric.net> <001401c10387$bfac6860$51289bca@smarzuki> <3B417876.762E662B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002f01c103cb$36b72060$9d299bca@smarzuki> I have a fairly simple, 1 to 4th order schematics with caps & resistor values table for different cut off freq / slope (bessel + butterworth)... in indonesian of course and the copy is not that clear, but should be no problem at all if anybody's interested. There's also abundance of formula for any filter order on the net. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > > I was going to suggest building a crossover from > scratch, possibly copying the Rane design. But > note that they do not include values of parts in > the filter section. If you want to build their > design, you'll need a physical AC-22 to get the > values from. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > It's quite easy to build your own active xo - plus you have so many web > > references. You already have the extra amp, just give it a try.and possibly > > upgrade to better components / caps later on. I built my own 4th order > > (switchable to 1st order at 2 frequencies each) which gives me a very > > flexible system .... if you stay in one place ! Mine is standard 5532 op > > amp with wima caps but sounds okay and unbeatable convenience + cost esp if > > you want to experiment with different cutoff frequencies: replace 2-4 > > relatively cheap caps and you're set (would be great if you can use Rane's > > design). The only problem is knowing when to stop those experiments. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] active crossover, was-preamp ? > > > > > > > > Rane makes both the AC-22 and AC-22B, the 'B' being > > > the balanced I/O version. You can find schematics, > > > data sheets and manual on the Rane web site. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Jul 3 16:28:42 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:28:42 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Check this out too. http://members.teleweb.at/gasper/default.htm Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what is this? > > The Eumig FL-1000 deck was a really interesting design. Extremely unusual > motor drive system. I've only ever worked on one of them, but I'm > intrigued > enough by the design that I've been keeping this one on my watch list > since > the day it was listed, so I can buy it if it stays cheap enough. > The Museatex DAC expiring on ebay tomorrow is the Melior BS-1, which was > the > predecessor of the BiDAT, and is a superb unit. Only the BiDAT & IDAT44 > better it, in my opinion. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: [naktalk] what is this? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250125463 > > > > No picture- > > > > "Rare esoteric cassette deck. This unit won rave reviews in the early > 80s > > when it won awards for design and performance. Black rack mount unit has > 3 > > heads and direct drive spindle motor, all disctrete circuitry. > Unfortunatly > > it needs some work." > > > > Also, there is another Museatex DA for sale on ebay...and it is actually > > down the street from me. It is a small unit. > > > > Alex > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 3 16:36:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:36:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what is this? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <003c01c103cd$8d4d0aa0$9d299bca@smarzuki> Perfect for Mr. Sank and we can wait his comment re FL1000 vs others. :-) Impressive pictures indeed, thanks Nick ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is this? > Guys, > > just check this out! Unfortunately, it's in German, but the pics are really > impressive. > > http://rearwing.dyndns.org/eumig/ > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:48 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] what is this? > > > > The Eumig FL-1000 deck was a really interesting design. Extremely unusual > > motor drive system. I've only ever worked on one of them, but I'm > > intrigued > > enough by the design that I've been keeping this one on my watch list > > since > > the day it was listed, so I can buy it if it stays cheap enough. > > The Museatex DAC expiring on ebay tomorrow is the Melior BS-1, which was > > the > > predecessor of the BiDAT, and is a superb unit. Only the BiDAT & IDAT44 > > better it, in my opinion. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 3 21:32:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:32:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <005801c1032a$9def4ce0$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01d501c103f6$e9830300$033442cf@sank1> Actually, I think the Dolby version manual will be much more helpful in doing any complete bypassing of the Dolby circuits. Since I'm sure Marcus will start getting you scans before I will have time to start, just let me know if you really need anything from the standard manual. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again > Thanks! I guess that I'll be able to use standard manual to eliminate > Dolby PCBs from the deck. > > Misha > > >I'll do what I can about scanning pages from the standard manual for you. > >Your description of what's loose isn't giving me any clues. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Jul 3 22:51:28 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:51:28 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: ReVox again References: <01d501c103f6$e9830300$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Many thanks. I already got some critical pages from Marcus. He did a great job! Still wandering for complete schematic and transport description ;-) However what I have right now will be enough to bring my A77 to life. As always - Naktalk is a right place to get a right answer to the right question ;-) Misha >Actually, I think the Dolby version manual will be much more helpful in >doing any complete bypassing of the Dolby circuits. Since I'm sure Marcus >will start getting you scans before I will have time to start, just let me >know if you really need anything from the standard manual. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 4 03:22:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:22:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <7a.172bc6eb.2873c9f3@aol.com> In a message dated 7/3/2001 2:13:24 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with red leds ... wow. To LX users - what is LX's hinged door made of ? I saw lx3 which feels like made from metal / alum but there's also an lx5 with plastic door. What gives ? >> Hi Salim! I've never seen any of the LX's in person, but since you mentioned black and silver I find the 700 II with it's bright VU meters very striking visually. And, for what it's worth I always found the RX-505 fun to look at too. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 4 03:30:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:30:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2001 2:13:29 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Misha, If you keep all your decks in tip top shape and uniform alignment, it might be worth the try. Otherwise, in my experience, most of the times dbx only add headache .... to me, dolby c is a good tradeoff between noise reduction and hassle. I once use 'one of those' technics dbx deck, teac deck also genuine 224 / 228. Plus I get to hear its 'pumping' effect, but that's nitpicking. Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Misha, Just my two cents - I only used my DBX range expander when recording/dubbing music or material from poor sources. I found it useful when recording from TV, and when dubbing from tape-to-tape (e.g in this application, no more than a 2 db boost). However, although there seems to be some unintentional noise reduction with this range expander, it is only at very low levels of expansion. Be careful using the "impact restoration" control as it is know to blow any type of speaker. It can add a little "punch" to some types of music, but that depends on your total system set up. I no longer use my unit with the exception of tv and video signals. Ironically, I believe an excellent application for this device is to someone inject it during the decoding of MP3 files. However, I haven't figured out a way yet to accomplish that task. And, I can attest to Salim's experience as with all DBX devices, too much expansion or noise reduction causes a "pumping" effect that I personally didn't like. I hope this helps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 4 03:34:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:34:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:03:19 AM Central Daylight Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << Beautifully put Graham, Long live the Maestro. The composer most likely to turn the listener into a conductor. Cheers Marc >> Hey Graham and Marc, do you like Mozart? A sort of "Prince" for his day. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 4 03:53:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:53:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod Message-ID: <020c01c1042c$2d3e1500$033442cf@sank1> Mod news: For those following the manual pb azimuth control modification discussion, I have done the mod to Sam's CR-7 & it works perfectly as anticipated. Changed R-831 in the servo feedback line of the motor drive circuit to 1/2 original value, which I did in this case by simply adding a same value resistor in parallel with the original. Did this to make it easy for Sam to un-mod it, just in case some of his tapes need the wider adjustment range. With the mod, the azimuth steps seem to be actually slightly finer than the steps in the detented plastic head adjuster screws on the head block. So, there is no question that one would be able to get precise azimuth on any tape, given a very critical ear or appropriate equipment(i.e., an oscilloscope with x-y ability, minimally). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 4 05:03:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:03:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Thank you for your help, I could use it again. On Topic! Message-ID: <9c.10441d65.2873e17f@aol.com> Hi All! Thank you all for your assistance as it has led to the final acquisition of a CR-7a. I am looking forward to recording with it and enjoying what I believe is a wonderful medium - the analog cassette. Thank you all for your help, advise, and referrals that led to this wonderful purchase. (And, if any of you wish to share any recording "tips," please feel free to do so). However, despite my long-time desire for a Dragon, I am now searching for a mint CR-5 to replace my BX-150. Since I am currently laid-off, I am not looking to spend a great deal of money for this deck. If you "run" across a mint CR-5 for $200 or less, please let me know. And, if you would like to sell your pristine CR-5 to a fellow Naktalker, please drop me a line. Thank you again for all of your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Jul 4 05:55:22 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:25:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod Message-ID: <20010704035522.697B21DFF58@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 4 05:36:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:36:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod References: <020c01c1042c$2d3e1500$033442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004001c1043f$3aa92960$66299bca@smarzuki> Happy ending for such quest ! :-) Glad to have tin ear ... I found the original range is already difficult to tell the difference between 2-3 leds - btw, what is the original potentio range in regular azimuth wheel turns ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod > Mod news: For those following the manual pb azimuth control modification > discussion, I have done the mod to Sam's CR-7 & it works perfectly as > anticipated. Changed R-831 in the servo feedback line of the motor drive > circuit to 1/2 original value, which I did in this case by simply adding a > same value resistor in parallel with the original. Did this to make it easy > for Sam to un-mod it, just in case some of his tapes need the wider > adjustment range. With the mod, the azimuth steps seem to be actually > slightly finer than the steps in the detented plastic head adjuster screws > on the head block. So, there is no question that one would be able to get > precise azimuth on any tape, given a very critical ear or appropriate > equipment(i.e., an oscilloscope with x-y ability, minimally). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 4 06:09:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:09:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <7a.172bc6eb.2873c9f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <004201c1043f$41701600$66299bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Is the auto reversing thing on your RX reliable ? Have you had any problems or stuck mechanism ? Yes that one is a real eye catching ! Ones I found locally are mostly 202s. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 > Hi Salim! > > I've never seen any of the LX's in person, but since you mentioned black and > silver I find the 700 II with it's bright VU meters very striking visually. > And, for what it's worth I always found the RX-505 fun to look at too. (smile) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 4 06:25:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:25:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2001 11:19:16 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Sam, Is the auto reversing thing on your RX reliable ? Have you had any problems or stuck mechanism ? Yes that one is a real eye catching ! Ones I found locally are mostly 202s. Best regards, Salim SM >> Hey Salim, Unfortunately, I don't own a RX-505, just have seen them up close. I can't believe it, but as you grow older you learn more. I passed up purchasing the RX-505 at US military px prices (approx. 60% off) because I thought the auto-reverse mechanism of the RX-505 would break down under what was my heavy use at the time (e.g. dj and playing parties, making tapes and stuff). In retrospect, the RX-505 would still be plugging away. Live and learn. I have a CR-7a, a BX-150, and a TEAC R-9191x (which is a nice looking deck in it's own right). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Jul 4 08:33:10 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:33:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay Message-ID: <200107040633.f646XAF21612@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Perhaps one of you guys would like to bid on a 680 ZX with a little problem: Tape motion stops after 2 seconds. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249816704 If there are any questions concerning the german text I can assist with translating (and of course I can assist in buying it) Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ Ihre Aktien, Fonds und Optionsscheine - personalisiert auf einen Blick! Professionell, kompakt und einfach: http://boerse.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 4 06:20:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:20:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: Message-ID: <000001c10457$6d0b2f80$a9199bca@smarzuki> Great idea Sam ... that 228 expander portion will sure help tv system ! Too bad its mostly black with only silver lining, exactly the opposite of 700 / LX. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > Hi Misha, > > Just my two cents - I only used my DBX range expander when recording/dubbing > music or material from poor sources. I found it useful when recording from > TV, and when dubbing from tape-to-tape (e.g in this application, no more than > a 2 db boost). However, although there seems to be some unintentional noise > reduction with this range expander, it is only at very low levels of > expansion. > > Be careful using the "impact restoration" control as it is know to blow any > type of speaker. It can add a little "punch" to some types of music, but > that depends on your total system set up. I no longer use my unit with the > exception of tv and video signals. Ironically, I believe an excellent > application for this device is to someone inject it during the decoding of > MP3 files. However, I haven't figured out a way yet to accomplish that task. > And, I can attest to Salim's experience as with all DBX devices, too much > expansion or noise reduction causes a "pumping" effect that I personally > didn't like. I hope this helps. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 4 09:24:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:24:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay References: <200107040633.f646XAF21612@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <003301c1045a$6d609b20$a9199bca@smarzuki> Hi Klaus, Neue preise 4000 DM ? Is it really that expensive there ? (what is 'ehemaliges Referenzgerät ' ?) then quite a good deal for $225 'sofort-kaufen' :-) This should be one of the counter light / belt problem again. Best regards. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Fendt" To: "nak" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay > Perhaps one of you guys would like to bid on a 680 ZX with a little problem: Tape motion stops after 2 seconds. > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249816704 > If there are any questions concerning the german text I can assist with translating (and of course I can assist in buying it) > > Regards > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 Muenchen > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > _______________________________________________________________________ > Ihre Aktien, Fonds und Optionsscheine - personalisiert auf einen Blick! > Professionell, kompakt und einfach: http://boerse.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 4 10:06:42 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:06:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay References: <200107040633.f646XAF21612@mailgate3.cinetic.de> <003301c1045a$6d609b20$a9199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B42CE92.3E36576B@sunint.co.za> That sounds about right (DM 4000). In it's heyday, the top Naks (not even including the 1000ZXL) - Dragon, CR7, RX505 and 682ZX cost about the same as an entry level Toyota Corolla. Experience has shown that they often lasted longer. I think a 680ZX for $225 is a bargain if it's neat and clean and not overly knackered. Marc Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > Neue preise 4000 DM ? Is it really that expensive there ? (what is > 'ehemaliges Referenzgerät ' ?) then quite a good deal for $225 > 'sofort-kaufen' :-) This should be one of the counter light / belt > problem again. > > Best regards. > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus Fendt" > To: "nak" > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:33 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay > > > Perhaps one of you guys would like to bid on a 680 ZX with a little > problem: Tape motion stops after 2 seconds. > > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249816704 > > If there are any questions concerning the german text I can assist with > translating (and of course I can assist in buying it) > > > > Regards > > > > Klaus > > > > -- > > Klaus Fendt > > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > > 81737 Muenchen > > Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > > UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 > > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Ihre Aktien, Fonds und Optionsscheine - personalisiert auf einen Blick! > > Professionell, kompakt und einfach: http://boerse.web.de > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 04 July 2001 02:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:03:19 AM Central Daylight Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << Beautifully put Graham, Long live the Maestro. The composer most likely to turn the listener into a conductor. Cheers Marc >> Hey Graham and Marc, do you like Mozart? A sort of "Prince" for his day. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Wed Jul 4 10:22:21 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:22:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX on German eBay Message-ID: <200107040822.f648MLF01360@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Hi Salim, I don't know where this guy got the "original price" of 4000,- but if you think about an exchange rate of 2,30 DM for the U$ you'll end up at something about 1740,- U$. "Ehemaliges Referenzgerät" means that this unit was a reference machine in a HiFi mag long time ago (the seller probably thinks that this is improves the price he will get for the deck) I agree with you that the problem is not that heavy - if you like to buy it I can assist you. Unfortunately I don't have the money at the moment to look for my favorites: CR-7 and 682-ZX Regards Klaus > Hi Klaus, > > Neue preise 4000 DM ? Is it really that expensive there ? (what is > 'ehemaliges Referenzgerät ' ?) then quite a good deal for $225 > 'sofort-kaufen' :-) This should be one of the counter light / belt > problem again. > > Best regards. > Salim SM > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Ferienklick.de - Jede Menge Urlaub auf einen Blick! Hier geht's zu Ihrem Traumstrand: http://ferienklick.de/?PP=2-0-100-105-1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 4 11:38:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:38:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod References: <020c01c1042c$2d3e1500$033442cf@sank1> <004001c1043f$3aa92960$66299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001f01c1046d$16474380$293442cf@sank1> The result of the mod was better than expected, yes. As far as the original control range compared to turns of the alignment adjusting screw, it's not something I ever thought to look into. Must be at least a full turn in either direction, though, for sure. I'd guess it's roughly half a turn each way with the mod. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod > > Happy ending for such quest ! :-) Glad to have tin ear ... I found the > original range is already difficult to tell the difference between 2-3 > leds - btw, what is the original potentio range in regular azimuth wheel > turns ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 azimuth mod > > > > Mod news: For those following the manual pb azimuth control modification > > discussion, I have done the mod to Sam's CR-7 & it works perfectly as > > anticipated. Changed R-831 in the servo feedback line of the motor drive > > circuit to 1/2 original value, which I did in this case by simply adding a > > same value resistor in parallel with the original. Did this to make it > easy > > for Sam to un-mod it, just in case some of his tapes need the wider > > adjustment range. With the mod, the azimuth steps seem to be actually > > slightly finer than the steps in the detented plastic head adjuster screws > > on the head block. So, there is no question that one would be able to get > > precise azimuth on any tape, given a very critical ear or appropriate > > equipment(i.e., an oscilloscope with x-y ability, minimally). > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jul 4 13:57:28 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:57:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx References: <000001c10457$6d0b2f80$a9199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008501c10480$7fcf46a0$1a312ac4@coqui.net> Be sure to put the expander section to zero when playing dbx encoded tape. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > Great idea Sam ... that 228 expander portion will sure help tv system ! Too > bad its mostly black with only silver lining, exactly the opposite of 700 / > LX. :-) > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: dbx > > > > Hi Misha, > > > > Just my two cents - I only used my DBX range expander when > recording/dubbing > > music or material from poor sources. I found it useful when recording > from > > TV, and when dubbing from tape-to-tape (e.g in this application, no more > than > > a 2 db boost). However, although there seems to be some unintentional > noise > > reduction with this range expander, it is only at very low levels of > > expansion. > > > > Be careful using the "impact restoration" control as it is know to blow > any > > type of speaker. It can add a little "punch" to some types of music, but > > that depends on your total system set up. I no longer use my unit with > the > > exception of tv and video signals. Ironically, I believe an excellent > > application for this device is to someone inject it during the decoding of > > MP3 files. However, I haven't figured out a way yet to accomplish that > task. > > And, I can attest to Salim's experience as with all DBX devices, too much > > expansion or noise reduction causes a "pumping" effect that I personally > > didn't like. I hope this helps. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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When you first mentioned the idea of sacrificing range for resolution, I was a bit concerned about losing half the range. So, last week I went through quite a few cassettes of mine (including some that were recorded over 20 years ago) carefully listening and adjusting the azimuth control through its range with each. No cassette required an extreme setting. To be honest, with most it was difficult to tell apart a few notches in each direction and all but few were best at mid (zero) setting . Metal cassettes that contain a high amount of harmonics are easiest to hear -- the effect is not of increasing high frequency content, but rather, adding 'air' or 'sheen'. Anyways... I am now convinced that (at least for my modest cassette collection), half the range is more than satisfactory. This is a worthwhile mod, even if only for the sake of Engineering elegance. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Mod news: For those following the manual pb azimuth control modification > discussion, I have done the mod to Sam's CR-7 & it works perfectly as > anticipated. Changed R-831 in the servo feedback line of the motor drive > circuit to 1/2 original value, which I did in this case by simply adding a > same value resistor in parallel with the original. Did this to make it easy > for Sam to un-mod it, just in case some of his tapes need the wider > adjustment range. With the mod, the azimuth steps seem to be actually > slightly finer than the steps in the detented plastic head adjuster screws > on the head block. So, there is no question that one would be able to get > precise azimuth on any tape, given a very critical ear or appropriate > equipment(i.e., an oscilloscope with x-y ability, minimally). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <3B445FA5.F68D5A57@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi Naktalkers, Just got 581. Looks ugly - I love it's design :-) Is there many difference with 582? My guess is that there only another Dolby circuit. So what I'm thinking about - eliminate Dolby B circuit and add monitor switch. Since I'm never use Dolby B any way. And there may be some sonic improvement as well. Any comments? Misha PS: Thanks to everyobne for helping me with Revox A77. This little beast is back to life now. Oh, I regret that I parted out with my B77 :((( ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Jul 5 16:23:32 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:23:32 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56E4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly questions - I'm still learning... Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are several types of caps to be found there: 1. Aluminium 2. Ceramic 3. Tantalum 4. Mylar 5. S.P. 6. Lytic What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. - bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. Many thanks in advance Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Jul 5 16:34:33 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:34:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 581? Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9586@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> There is a second Dolby circuit in the 582 to allow the monitoring from the tape. There is more than just adding a switch, more aprts, ETC. Best talk to Mr Sank about this as a big task and I'd be surprised if there is any sonic improvement. The Sonic improvement is in going to the Dragon, CR-7A or some of the other better sounding decks mentioned here. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 581? > > Hi Naktalkers, > > Just got 581. Looks ugly - I love it's design :-) > Is there many difference with 582? My guess is that there > only another Dolby circuit. So what I'm thinking about - > eliminate Dolby B circuit and add monitor switch. > Since I'm never use Dolby B any way. And there may be > some sonic improvement as well. Any comments? > > Misha > > PS: Thanks to everyobne for helping me with Revox A77. This > little beast is back to life now. Oh, I regret that I parted out with > my B77 :((( > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 5 20:58:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:58:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581? References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9586@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <005301c10584$8a32ede0$263442cf@sank1> On paper, the separate pair of Dolby amps is the only major difference, but I think you'll find it a somewhat daunting task to install full monitor ability, once you really start looking at everything involved. I would certainly not consider it worth the intensive effort, since the only thing gained will be convenience. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahr, Kurtis" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581? > There is a second Dolby circuit in the 582 to allow the monitoring from the > tape. There is more than just adding a switch, more aprts, ETC. > Best talk to Mr Sank about this as a big task and I'd be surprised if there > is any sonic improvement. The Sonic improvement is in going to the Dragon, > CR-7A or some of the other better sounding decks mentioned here. > > Kurtis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:05 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] 581? > > > > Hi Naktalkers, > > > > Just got 581. Looks ugly - I love it's design :-) > > Is there many difference with 582? My guess is that there > > only another Dolby circuit. So what I'm thinking about - > > eliminate Dolby B circuit and add monitor switch. > > Since I'm never use Dolby B any way. And there may be > > some sonic improvement as well. Any comments? > > > > Misha > > > > PS: Thanks to everyobne for helping me with Revox A77. This > > little beast is back to life now. Oh, I regret that I parted out with > > my B77 :((( > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 5 21:02:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:02:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56E4@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <005901c10585$112dfba0$263442cf@sank1> The basic rule I mentioned before will answer the question. Where physical space & budget allow, replace with styrene(best) or propylene(second best). Otherwise, bypass with the best you can. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > Stephen, > > sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly questions - I'm > still learning... > > Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are several > types of caps to be found there: > > 1. Aluminium > 2. Ceramic > 3. Tantalum > 4. Mylar > 5. S.P. > 6. Lytic > > What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. - > bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. > > Many thanks in advance > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jul 5 21:28:04 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:28:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 581? References: <3B445FA5.F68D5A57@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3B44BFC4.C9E2B1BF@sunint.co.za> I don't know Misha, the gang is picking on Dolby circuits at the moment, but are they so bad? I must admit I also enjoy the sound of Nakamichis without Dolby provided its a nice clean recording and the tape has a high MOL. I have been pleasantly surprised by well recorded Type 1 before. But I find the decks I know (CR4E, 682ZX, CR7E and Cassette Deck 1) to have well set up NR circuits. I think it was Kannan the other day who said, on thing that makes Naks special, is that Dolby doesn't kill the recording. I agree. On the other hand I don't know the 581 (only know the 582) at all and I definitely would prefer a source/tape monitor switch over dolby B. Then I would be choosy about tape types. But can that be done? Marc Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi Naktalkers, > > Just got 581. Looks ugly - I love it's design :-) > Is there many difference with 582? My guess is that there > only another Dolby circuit. So what I'm thinking about - > eliminate Dolby B circuit and add monitor switch. > Since I'm never use Dolby B any way. And there may be > some sonic improvement as well. Any comments? > > Misha > > PS: Thanks to everyobne for helping me with Revox A77. This > little beast is back to life now. Oh, I regret that I parted out with > my B77 :((( > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Jul 6 07:31:37 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:31:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: <001501c1038e$86c23b40$1e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <200107060532.f665WhH16976@student.gu.edu.au> Salim wrote: > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > red leds ... wow. I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so efficiently. Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Jul 6 11:46:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:46:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56E6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks, Stephen. I must have formulated my question a bit obscure, but what I asked was what is your comment on every particular type of caps used in 700TT? Well, OK, I know that Lytics have to be bypassed, Mylars ideally replaced. What's about those Tantalums and Aluminiums? Are they film caps as well? Or of some other kind? What about Ceramics? I always thought of them to be the least fastidious... And, finally, what is S.P. cap? Thanks Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > The basic rule I mentioned before will answer the question. Where > physical > space & budget allow, replace with styrene(best) or propylene(second > best). > Otherwise, bypass with the best you can. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > Stephen, > > > > sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly questions - > I'm > > still learning... > > > > Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are > several > > types of caps to be found there: > > > > 1. Aluminium > > 2. Ceramic > > 3. Tantalum > > 4. Mylar > > 5. S.P. > > 6. Lytic > > > > What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. - > > bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. > > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jul 6 16:06:38 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:06:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <200107060532.f665WhH16976@student.gu.edu.au> Message-ID: <002001c10624$dfea0610$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > Salim wrote: > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > red leds ... wow. > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > efficiently. > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it off before you sleep for longer life ;-) I love my LX-5 too, it runs smooth and easy, year after year. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 6 18:50:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:50:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <200107060532.f665WhH16976@student.gu.edu.au> <002001c10624$dfea0610$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <001d01c1063b$b2948700$11299bca@smarzuki> Hi Maurits & Jason, I put red bulb on my LX cassette door and swapped the green stickered backplate with orange-red one from 680 ... mondo cool red lx ! Also, now the greenish meter on 680zx is mated with green backplate ... is it just me or mismatched color used to be trend of 80's ?. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Antony" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:31 AM > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons > look), > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / > silver with > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > efficiently. > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned > off > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > I love my LX-5 too, it runs smooth and easy, year after year. > > > Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Jul 6 20:03:38 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:03:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: <001d01c1063b$b2948700$11299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: It most certainly was a trend in the 80's. If you know Porsches from the 80's, they had some of the strangest interior color combo's and fabric patterns. My old 82 911 was red outside, with beige leather and brown leather accents. First thing I did was dye all the brown black. Porsche had some pshyedelic prints on their cloth interiors....even some plaid. However, I really prefer the look of 80's audio equipment. Contemporary equipment hasn't enough buttons and lights and knobs and lights and buttons and knobs and dials and....um, I need a drink. Alex > Hi Maurits & Jason, > > I put red bulb on my LX cassette door and swapped the green stickered > backplate with orange-red one from 680 ... mondo cool red lx ! Also, now > the greenish meter on 680zx is mated with green backplate ... is > it just me > or mismatched color used to be trend of 80's ?. :-) > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jul 7 05:34:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:34:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: dbx Message-ID: You got it Salim! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jul 7 05:46:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:46:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] Message-ID: In a message dated 7/6/2001 1:06:02 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << It most certainly was a trend in the 80's. If you know Porsches from the 80's, they had some of the strangest interior color combo's and fabric patterns. My old 82 911 was red outside, with beige leather and brown leather accents. First thing I did was dye all the brown black. Porsche had some pshyedelic prints on their cloth interiors....even some plaid. However, I really prefer the look of 80's audio equipment. Contemporary equipment hasn't enough buttons and lights and knobs and lights and buttons and knobs and dials and....um, I need a drink. Alex >> Hi Alex, I would concur, I saw some truly crazy color combinations while living in Europe during the '80's for Audi, Volkswagen, and Porche. But you comment regarding the lack of buttons and dials on today's equipment brings us back to my original comment about the Dragon. Maybe it's me, but that is an impressive looking machine. I don't know what all of those buttons are for, but it makes that deck look really aggressive if nothing else. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jul 7 06:03:19 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:33:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! Message-ID: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jul 7 06:07:13 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:37:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 581? Message-ID: <20010707040713.07EAB1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Jul 7 06:18:26 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:48:26 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ebay news - the paper that costs the earth? Message-ID: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Jul 7 06:49:28 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:49:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revoxian Buttons and the multiple B215 owner References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B4694D8.6FA91D67@yahoo.com> Hi Everyone Bout 6 months ago I came across a few B215s fixed them up and put one on Ebay. After lots of soldering and probing through the plug in boards they are finally working and I am in the process of installing them in my living room and bedroom. Perhaps now someone could explain some of the controls to me. I've figured out loc1, loc2, store, loop, play time and the obvious ones. But I still can't figure out save, recall, cancel, align and set level. I have noticed that align affects the recording but it has nothing to do with azimuth also A3 is not available with type 1 tapes so I guess it may be bias. What's the difference between level + and - and set level. What really interesting about it is the way the counter works. When a tape is inserted in mid stream it apparantly measures the speed difference between the 2 reels and using preset cassette length comes up with the derived elapsed time in minutes seconds. Sounds like a neat calc 1 problem but it's not accurate enough to reach 0:00 at the same time the tape reaches the beginning on rewind. The error gets masked because the counter resets to 0 as soon as the rewind comes to a stop. I assume it then starts counting ticks the old fashioned way. Really cute but not necessary. I have to say that while it's a magnificently built solid deck and sounds as good as any of my, *aks the controls are kinda mongo. Perhaps it really WAS meant for purely pro use. Such features as loop through 2 user set points could only come in handy if you are using it in an industrial app like a messaging system or a duplicating setup. Personally I'de really rather not have this stuff on a deck. It's just more that can break. Don't get me wrong, I really love these decks and would not trade one for anything but sadly my quest for the perfect cassette deck must continue. Anyway, if somebody knows what the silly buttons are for please let me in on it. See Ya javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jul 7 07:13:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:13:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Revoxian Buttons and the multiple B215 owner Message-ID: Hi Javier, IMHO - purchase a CR-7a and your search will be over. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 7 15:26:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:26:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 581? References: <20010707040713.07EAB1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B470E16.EA327B90@concentric.net> I find that recording with Dolby B gives me the best sound with no negative effects. This way, all my cassettes are recorded with one standard, included prerecorded ones and I never have to select a specific noise reduction for each cassette. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Yeah > I agree that Dolby does not kill the music on a correctly calibrated nak. > However if calibration is off on one nak; then it wouldn' t play properly on another Nak ). Calibrating a Nak outside US/UK or may be in Germany - in case of old used nak from another source - is very expansive task as the owner should have atleast three Nak calibration tapes costing over 180 $ a set!. > > So use Dolby if you have more than one Nak calibrated well. Recording > without Dolby is not a big deal because Naks record very well on Chrome or Metal without much hiss anyway. I keep my tone controls in the middle and mostly record without Dolby so far. After having Stephen' CR7; I am tempted to use Dolby. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Hugo > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581? > > >I don't know Misha, the gang is picking on Dolby circuits at the moment, > but are they > >so bad? I must admit I also enjoy the sound of Nakamichis without Dolby > provided its a > >nice clean recording and the tape has a high MOL. I have been pleasantly > surprised by > >well recorded Type 1 before. But I find the decks I know (CR4E, 682ZX, > CR7E and > >Cassette Deck 1) to have well set up NR circuits. I think it was Kannan > the other day > >who said, on thing that makes Naks special, is that Dolby doesn't kill the > recording. > >I agree. > > > >On the other hand I don't know the 581 (only know the 582) at all and I > definitely > >would prefer a source/tape monitor switch over dolby B. Then I would be > choosy about > >tape types. But can that be done? > > > >Marc > > > >Michael Mironov wrote: > > > >> Hi Naktalkers, > >> > >> Just got 581. Looks ugly - I love it's design :-) > >> Is there many difference with 582? My guess is that there > >> only another Dolby circuit. So what I'm thinking about - > >> eliminate Dolby B circuit and add monitor switch. > >> Since I'm never use Dolby B any way. And there may be > >> some sonic improvement as well. Any comments? > >> > >> Misha > >> > >> PS: Thanks to everyobne for helping me with Revox A77. This > >> little beast is back to life now. Oh, I regret that I parted out with > >> my B77 :((( > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Jul 7 17:03:42 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember the first time I saw a Dragon. I was about 15 years old, and my best friend had a very rich real estate developer father. They had gobs of McIntosh, Luxman, B&W equipment and 3..yes 3 Nakamichi Dragons. My friend had one is his bedroom! I saw it and my jaw dropped to the ground. I couldn't believe how beautiful a piece of equipment it was. I didn't know it cost $2,500 bucks at the time, but it certainly looked like it was damned expensive. For me, the Dragon is just about the best looking piece of audio equipment ever made....perhaps the RX505 as a close second. I also really dig the newer Mark Levison gear...it is beautiful too. When I saw their Dragons, I had to have one...but being a teenie bop, there was no way in hell I could afford to buy even a single button for a Dragon. His dad liked me so much, and saw how much I admired the Dragon, he gave me one of them a year later. Yes, my Dragon was free! Can't do much better than that. Alex > Hi Alex, > > I would concur, I saw some truly crazy color combinations while living in > Europe during the '80's for Audi, Volkswagen, and Porche. But > you comment > regarding the lack of buttons and dials on today's equipment > brings us back > to my original comment about the Dragon. Maybe it's me, but that is an > impressive looking machine. I don't know what all of those > buttons are for, > but it makes that deck look really aggressive if nothing else. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Sat Jul 7 17:08:30 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:08:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 manual Message-ID: <3B4725EE.FBEEFF27@home.com> Hi. Are any of you the lucky bidder of the CR-3 service manual on ebay? If so, would you be interested in selling me a copy of this? By the way, I am a single nak owner. I would love to participate in the multiple ownership club, but my wife and kids seem to find other places for my hard earned cash to go. Some day, maybe a CR-7 or ZX-9. I had the privilage of working with a CR-7 years ago at a studio I was working for. When they went out of business I tried to acquire it, but one of the owners wanted it for himself. Oh well. Thanks Rick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 7 21:17:39 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:17:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c10719$7d322660$fcd8893e@a4s1s2> For anyone interested, sales at pricebuster.org.uk are selling C100s of this tape at £0.79 each. You guys not in the UK may be able to persuade them to sell less a further 17.5% discount as tax should not be payable. They are also selling the following: TDK SA60 - £0.59 TDK SA90 - £0.69 TDK SA-X-90 - £0.95 TDK MA90 - £1.19 Maxell UDII74 - £0.45 Maxell XLII60 - £0.55 Maxell XLII90 - £0.59 Also, BASF CE-II120 £0.79 Shipping in the UK is a further £6.25 per order. Graham PS Lest anyone also needs to know, they are also selling 1/4" reels. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Jul 7 23:45:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:45:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] Message-ID: <12b.113f1c9.2878dce7@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2001 10:05:55 AM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << I remember the first time I saw a Dragon. I was about 15 years old, and my best friend had a very rich real estate developer father. They had gobs of McIntosh, Luxman, B&W equipment and 3..yes 3 Nakamichi Dragons. My friend had one is his bedroom! I saw it and my jaw dropped to the ground. I couldn't believe how beautiful a piece of equipment it was. I didn't know it cost $2,500 bucks at the time, but it certainly looked like it was damned expensive. For me, the Dragon is just about the best looking piece of audio equipment ever made....perhaps the RX505 as a close second. I also really dig the newer Mark Levison gear...it is beautiful too. When I saw their Dragons, I had to have one...but being a teenie bop, there was no way in hell I could afford to buy even a single button for a Dragon. His dad liked me so much, and saw how much I admired the Dragon, he gave me one of them a year later. Yes, my Dragon was free! Can't do much better than that. Alex >> Hi Alex, That was a very nice friend indeed. Did you see the movie 91/2 weeks? I remember a brief cameo by the RX-505 along with some Onkyo gear. Very impressive looking machine as well. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B47C2D2.6CE14691@snet.net> If anyone would like it I've got the same issue and will sell it for the bargain price of $99... heck, I'll even throw in shipping ;-) Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > It went for 154+$. > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jul 8 04:48:01 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:48:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B47C9DF.4C143BFA@snet.net> I realize this is off topic, but what a great forum in general. I'm looking for a new pre and wondering if anyone can advise on Audible Illusions Modulus 2B... I'm looking at one for pretty cheap and wondering if it's a good pre. Stephen? Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 8 07:13:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:13:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B47C9DF.4C143BFA@snet.net> Message-ID: <01b701c1076c$bdd686e0$283442cf@sank1> The Modulus 3 is a decent preamp, but the Modulus 2B is pretty much a piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) > I realize this is off topic, but what a great forum in general. I'm looking for a new pre and wondering if anyone can advise on Audible Illusions Modulus > 2B... I'm looking at one for pretty cheap and wondering if it's a good pre. Stephen? > > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 8 07:58:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:58:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <12b.113f1c9.2878dce7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001a01c10773$2ec85940$43299bca@smarzuki> Is that with Kim Basinger on the movie ? Don't know about you Sam ... but I prefer to listen to her instead of rx505 in my room ... even with only 1 head. Um, that is not too vulgar isn't it ? guess I also need some drink. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > In a message dated 7/7/2001 10:05:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << I remember the first time I saw a Dragon. I was about 15 years old, and my > best friend had a very rich real estate developer father. They had gobs of > McIntosh, Luxman, B&W equipment and 3..yes 3 Nakamichi Dragons. My friend > had one is his bedroom! I saw it and my jaw dropped to the ground. I > couldn't believe how beautiful a piece of equipment it was. I didn't know > it cost $2,500 bucks at the time, but it certainly looked like it was damned > expensive. For me, the Dragon is just about the best looking piece of audio > equipment ever made....perhaps the RX505 as a close second. I also really > dig the newer Mark Levison gear...it is beautiful too. When I saw their > Dragons, I had to have one...but being a teenie bop, there was no way in > hell I could afford to buy even a single button for a Dragon. His dad liked > me so much, and saw how much I admired the Dragon, he gave me one of them a > year later. Yes, my Dragon was free! Can't do much better than that. > > Alex >> > > Hi Alex, > > That was a very nice friend indeed. Did you see the movie 91/2 weeks? I > remember a brief cameo by the RX-505 along with some Onkyo gear. Very > impressive looking machine as well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 8 07:47:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:47:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 manual References: <3B4725EE.FBEEFF27@home.com> Message-ID: <001901c10773$2b504980$43299bca@smarzuki> Hi Rick, A clear xeroxed copy of cr4 service manual from www.schaltungsdienst.de is 20DM with complete schematics, plus roughly same DM for shipping cost to asia which make the total about $20, should be similar cost for cr3 manual to USA. If you only need a few pages I can scan you the manual or probably upload it to Wouter, the only difference b/w cr3 & 4 would be speed alignment. But please be patient as my scanner catched virus from my naks ... having intermittent problems ... maybe I need to check if HP also use same orange caps. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Nak Talk" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 manual > Hi. Are any of you the lucky bidder of the CR-3 > service manual on ebay? If so, would you be > interested in selling me a copy of this? > By the way, I am a single nak owner. I would love > to participate in the multiple ownership club, but > my wife and kids seem to find other places for my > hard earned cash to go. Some day, maybe a CR-7 or > ZX-9. > I had the privilage of working with a CR-7 years > ago at a studio I was working for. When they went > out of business I tried to acquire it, but one of > the owners wanted it for himself. Oh well. > Thanks > Rick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 8 08:13:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:13:51 +0700 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, is that your dragon on ebay ? :-) Seller mentioned a squeak when his dragon puts to stop, and his has 'very low hours' ... which reminds me of same loud squeaking noise coming out of my old nak once it comes to a stop, maddening ! Anybody else experience this mechanical noise ? Pls let me know the cure ... already put a lot of grease on that large plastic control wheel with no result. While on same wheel topic, I noticed that 482 wheel does not stop at correct markings ("S", "PY" etc) but voltages on pot's slider conform to service manual. Any idea / opinion ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > Salim > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in the dark ! > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > by the way > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Antony > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > Salim wrote: > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > red leds ... wow. > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > efficiently. > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > Cheers > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 8 09:37:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:37:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] Message-ID: <117.156e327.287967c8@aol.com> In a message dated 7/8/2001 1:08:22 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Is that with Kim Basinger on the movie ? Don't know about you Sam ... but I prefer to listen to her instead of rx505 in my room ... even with only 1 head. Um, that is not too vulgar isn't it ? guess I also need some drink. Salim SM >> Yes it is, and I understand. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 8 09:39:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 03:39:21 EDT Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak o... Message-ID: <9.17f135e0.28796829@aol.com> In a message dated 7/8/2001 1:22:24 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Kannan, is that your dragon on ebay ? :-) Seller mentioned a squeak when his dragon puts to stop, and his has 'very low hours' ... which reminds me of same loud squeaking noise coming out of my old nak once it comes to a stop, maddening ! Anybody else experience this mechanical noise ? Pls let me know the cure ... already put a lot of grease on that large plastic control wheel with no result. While on same wheel topic, I noticed that 482 wheel does not stop at correct markings ("S", "PY" etc) but voltages on pot's slider conform to service manual. Any idea / opinion ? >> Hi Kannan, Didn't know you were selling your Dragon...any reason why? And, if you need a good home for it, I can offer mine. ;-) Kinda like house sitting for a friend, I could Dragon sit for you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 8 10:03:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:03:09 -0600 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <028401c10784$6e83e660$283442cf@sank1> The "going to stop squeak" has, in every case on my bench, been cured by a single drop of oil applied to the shaft of the main mode control drive pulley(the one the belt goes around from the motor pulley). The cam control circuit has two adustment pots, one for stop point & one for play point. They are interactive, so you have to go back & forth until both hit the right spots. On decks with cue function, there is a third pot for cue position. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) > > Hi Kannan, is that your dragon on ebay ? :-) > > Seller mentioned a squeak when his dragon puts to stop, and his has 'very > low hours' ... which reminds me of same loud squeaking noise coming out of > my old nak once it comes to a stop, maddening ! Anybody else experience > this mechanical noise ? Pls let me know the cure ... already put a lot of > grease on that large plastic control wheel with no result. > > While on same wheel topic, I noticed that 482 wheel does not stop at correct > markings ("S", "PY" etc) but voltages on pot's slider conform to service > manual. Any idea / opinion ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > > > > Salim > > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - > other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in the > dark ! > > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 > incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > > by the way > > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Antony > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > efficiently. > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > > > > Cheers > > Jason > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 16:26:11 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:26:11 -0400 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <028401c10784$6e83e660$283442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B486D83.3D9424CE@yahoo.com> There was a deck on ebay with a squeak problem http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1249434973 A tech told him it was nothing (see comments on link) Apparantly Nakamichi didn't want to use oil for some reason. Is this the same squeak we're talking about here? Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > The "going to stop squeak" has, in every case on my bench, been cured by a > single drop of oil applied to the shaft of the main mode control drive > pulley(the one the belt goes around from the motor pulley). > The cam control circuit has two adustment pots, one for stop point & one for > play point. They are interactive, so you have to go back & forth until both > hit the right spots. On decks with cue function, there is a third pot for > cue position. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single > nak owner!) > > > > > Hi Kannan, is that your dragon on ebay ? :-) > > > > Seller mentioned a squeak when his dragon puts to stop, and his has 'very > > low hours' ... which reminds me of same loud squeaking noise coming out of > > my old nak once it comes to a stop, maddening ! Anybody else experience > > this mechanical noise ? Pls let me know the cure ... already put a lot of > > grease on that large plastic control wheel with no result. > > > > While on same wheel topic, I noticed that 482 wheel does not stop at > correct > > markings ("S", "PY" etc) but voltages on pot's slider conform to service > > manual. Any idea / opinion ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - > > other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in > the > > dark ! > > > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 > > incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > > > by the way > > > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jason Antony > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons > look), > > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver > with > > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > > efficiently. > > > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jul 8 16:51:40 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:51:40 -0400 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B48737C.A1CDF736@concentric.net> Funny... I have a similar problem with my denon CD player. The drawer squeaks. Took it apart and smeared grease on all moving surfaces. Cured it, until I buttoned it up and put it back on the shelf, when it immediately started to squeak again. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan, is that your dragon on ebay ? :-) > > Seller mentioned a squeak when his dragon puts to stop, and his has 'very > low hours' ... which reminds me of same loud squeaking noise coming out of > my old nak once it comes to a stop, maddening ! Anybody else experience > this mechanical noise ? Pls let me know the cure ... already put a lot of > grease on that large plastic control wheel with no result. > > While on same wheel topic, I noticed that 482 wheel does not stop at correct > markings ("S", "PY" etc) but voltages on pot's slider conform to service > manual. Any idea / opinion ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > > > Salim > > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - > other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in the > dark ! > > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 > incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > > by the way > > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Antony > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > efficiently. > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > > > > Cheers > > Jason > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jul 8 16:53:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:53:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <12b.113f1c9.2878dce7@aol.com> <001a01c10773$2ec85940$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B4873D7.2B5CE07E@concentric.net> Personally, I prefer to look at her but listen to my CR-7. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Is that with Kim Basinger on the movie ? Don't know about you Sam ... but I > prefer to listen to her instead of rx505 in my room ... even with only 1 > head. Um, that is not too vulgar isn't it ? guess I also need some drink. > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > In a message dated 7/7/2001 10:05:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << I remember the first time I saw a Dragon. I was about 15 years old, > and my > > best friend had a very rich real estate developer father. They had gobs > of > > McIntosh, Luxman, B&W equipment and 3..yes 3 Nakamichi Dragons. My > friend > > had one is his bedroom! I saw it and my jaw dropped to the ground. I > > couldn't believe how beautiful a piece of equipment it was. I didn't > know > > it cost $2,500 bucks at the time, but it certainly looked like it was > damned > > expensive. For me, the Dragon is just about the best looking piece of > audio > > equipment ever made....perhaps the RX505 as a close second. I also > really > > dig the newer Mark Levison gear...it is beautiful too. When I saw their > > Dragons, I had to have one...but being a teenie bop, there was no way in > > hell I could afford to buy even a single button for a Dragon. His dad > liked > > me so much, and saw how much I admired the Dragon, he gave me one of them > a > > year later. Yes, my Dragon was free! Can't do much better than that. > > > > Alex >> > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > That was a very nice friend indeed. Did you see the movie 91/2 weeks? I > > remember a brief cameo by the RX-505 along with some Onkyo gear. Very > > impressive looking machine as well. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 8 17:47:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:47:36 +0700 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak o... References: <9.17f135e0.28796829@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c107c5$55788cc0$4e289bca@smarzuki> Just kidding, Sam. Kannan would've thrown in his BX300 for free with his dragon instead of BX150 ... he's now watching 'wufwuf''s every move ... :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak o... > Hi Kannan, > > Didn't know you were selling your Dragon...any reason why? And, if you need > a good home for it, I can offer mine. ;-) Kinda like house sitting for a > friend, I could Dragon sit for you. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jul 8 22:19:04 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:19:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Nakamichi loved plastic, and I loved the Dragon's buttons in pictures. In real life, when I bought mine, rather quickly I had been upset by their too light & fragile state. -Does it exists Dragons with RED LIGHTS instead of orange? (meters, rec led, bias leds) On the web and on Nak brochures, they seems to be red. The meter itself seem different, as finer LEDs and the 2nd scale seem to be lightened back. It is a question I deeply wonder about, help me to not grab my pills again!!! thanx I suspect Nak to have been to urged to spread the Dragon on the market. It is maybe personal, but when I examinate the date of their patents on PB auto azimuth and know the Dragon's one, I find they're quite close. For the price, metal buttons would not have been so luxurious. Metal knobs for bias/level, please !!! What an idea ! Great killer deck although. >From a non single-Nak owner who is wondering about the remaining space in his listening room ;o) Dragon, 680ZX, 582 (2 times),LX-3, a very ill silver600II. Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > Salim > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in the dark ! > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > by the way > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Antony > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > Salim wrote: > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > red leds ... wow. > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > efficiently. > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > Cheers > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Jul 8 22:21:20 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:21:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Nick, For your question #1, Just in addition, remind the gap needed for recording must be larger than for playback issue. With wear, the gap opens and R/P head becomes more optimum for recording than for playback, being from conception, born compromised in gap dimentions. You have unerstand that is not a basically azimuth problem, but a wider playback gap leads to lesser HF levels and moreover, larger gap are a lot more critical with tapes that are guided askew. ...I dare a very exagerated comparison... Have you ever try, in a three heads deck to put the rec head connector into the pb amp ? It will gives you a good idea of what hellish sound you get with an x-trem worn out head :-) (I used this method to allign the rec head height of a 582 to track perfectly a 1000ZXL 400 Hz cassette made, both in level and phase -with xy scope-) I face the same phenomenon as you with my 2H Naks, a LX-3, Which one records clearer than any other, and plays dull. (having 480Z before, similar behaviour but for this one, its overall sound quality was not my cup of tea) all the best, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 > Guys, > > I'm aware, that lower BX'es are pretty crappy in general, so please don't > consider me as a die-hard fan of those. It's just happened to be, that I own > a BX-2, that permanently develops signs of pretty strange behaviour. Not > that I desperately want to turn it into a great piece of gear at any cost, > but to fully understand the reasons causing such a behaviour would be IMHO > simply educative enough... > > Question #1 is as follows: > > My BX-2 has been fine-tuned and aligned by myself using proper equipment and > calibration tapes. It makes decent records, which play well on other Naks as > well as non-Naks. The problem is that even its "own" tapes (tapes recorded > exactly on this particular deck) sound dull and constrained being played > back on it. The feeling is akin to azimuth being slightly off. Nevertheless, > just put them into any other machine and you get it - the sound is clear and > quite crisp! What can this be? > > Question #2: > > Is there any possibility to RADICALLY change the sound (for better, > naturally) of a BX-2? Or would it be way too expensive (like replacing 2/3 > of the components etc.) and thus meaningless? > > TIA > > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 8 23:22:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:22:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <031101c107f4$1d74e7e0$283442cf@sank1> I am sure that the difference in color of lights in the literature, etc., was due to photographers' "artistic license" in the photo finishing. Which might have been ample cause for Nak to reconsider the actual color choices. Totally agree with you on the buttons. Even metal facades would have been a big improvement, both cosmetically & for label durability! Be sure to push those buttons from the edges! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > Nakamichi loved plastic, > and I loved the Dragon's buttons in pictures. > In real life, when I bought mine, rather quickly I had been upset by their > too light & fragile state. > > -Does it exists Dragons with RED LIGHTS instead of orange? (meters, rec > led, bias leds) > On the web and on Nak brochures, they seems to be red. The meter itself seem > different, as finer LEDs and the 2nd scale seem to be lightened back. It is > a question I deeply wonder about, help me to not grab my pills again!!! > thanx > > I suspect Nak to have been to urged to spread the Dragon on the market. > It is maybe personal, but when I examinate the date of their patents on PB > auto azimuth and know the Dragon's one, I find they're quite close. > For the price, metal buttons would not have been so luxurious. > > Metal knobs for bias/level, please !!! > What an idea ! > > Great killer deck although. > > >From a non single-Nak owner who is wondering about the remaining space in > his listening room ;o) > Dragon, 680ZX, 582 (2 times),LX-3, a very ill silver600II. > Matyas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > > > > Salim > > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - > other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in the > dark ! > > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 > incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > > by the way > > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Antony > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons look), > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver with > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > efficiently. > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > > > > Cheers > > Jason > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 00:22:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:22:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <031101c107f4$1d74e7e0$283442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B48DD33.541D95CB@yahoo.com> No It't probably the film developer's artistic liscense! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > I am sure that the difference in color of lights in the literature, etc., > was due to photographers' "artistic license" in the photo finishing. Which > might have been ample cause for Nak to reconsider the actual color choices. > Totally agree with you on the buttons. Even metal facades would have been a > big improvement, both cosmetically & for label durability! > Be sure to push those buttons from the edges! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > Nakamichi loved plastic, > > and I loved the Dragon's buttons in pictures. > > In real life, when I bought mine, rather quickly I had been upset by their > > too light & fragile state. > > > > -Does it exists Dragons with RED LIGHTS instead of orange? (meters, rec > > led, bias leds) > > On the web and on Nak brochures, they seems to be red. The meter itself > seem > > different, as finer LEDs and the 2nd scale seem to be lightened back. It > is > > a question I deeply wonder about, help me to not grab my pills again!!! > > thanx > > > > I suspect Nak to have been to urged to spread the Dragon on the market. > > It is maybe personal, but when I examinate the date of their patents on PB > > auto azimuth and know the Dragon's one, I find they're quite close. > > For the price, metal buttons would not have been so luxurious. > > > > Metal knobs for bias/level, please !!! > > What an idea ! > > > > Great killer deck although. > > > > >From a non single-Nak owner who is wondering about the remaining space in > > his listening room ;o) > > Dragon, 680ZX, 582 (2 times),LX-3, a very ill silver600II. > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 6:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner! > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > I loved the "Dragobutton" - I do not know whether any other product - > > other than ZX9/7 had so many buttons - Also Dragon emits lot of light in > the > > dark ! > > > Incidently one ebay seller put up a Dragon with an option of free BX150 > > incase the buyer goes thru buy now ! see > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252198071 > > > by the way > > > Does any one know a single Nak cassette deck owner out there ? > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jason Antony > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:35 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > > > Salim wrote: > > > > > > > Sam, while certainly not a 'minimalist' (loved those dragobuttons > look), > > > > imo the best looking nak is LX series - flat, sleek, black / silver > with > > > > red leds ... wow. > > > > > > I completely agree. No other Nak expresses beauty so neatly, so > > > efficiently. > > > > > > Watching my LX-3 work its magic at night with all the lights turned off > > > is one of my favourite pastimes, just before I nod off to sleep. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Mon Jul 9 02:54:04 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:54:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 manual References: <3B4725EE.FBEEFF27@home.com> <001901c10773$2b504980$43299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B4900AC.2C2A543B@home.com> Hi Salim, Thanks for the offer. If it's only about $20 US then maybe I will just order one. I missed it the other day on ebay for $10 or something like that. Thanks for the info. Rick Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Rick, > > A clear xeroxed copy of cr4 service manual from www.schaltungsdienst.de is > 20DM with complete schematics, plus roughly same DM for shipping cost to > asia which make the total about $20, should be similar cost for cr3 manual > to USA. If you only need a few pages I can scan you the manual or probably > upload it to Wouter, the only difference b/w cr3 & 4 would be speed > alignment. But please be patient as my scanner catched virus from my naks > ... having intermittent problems ... maybe I need to check if HP also use > same orange caps. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jul 9 03:55:22 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B47C9DF.4C143BFA@snet.net> <01b701c1076c$bdd686e0$283442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B490F09.D4B90335@snet.net> That's all I needed to know... I hadn't heard much good about it, but figured I'd go to the sources that I trust most! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > The Modulus 3 is a decent preamp, but the Modulus 2B is pretty much a piece > of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:48 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) > > > I realize this is off topic, but what a great forum in general. I'm > looking for a new pre and wondering if anyone can advise on Audible > Illusions Modulus > > 2B... I'm looking at one for pretty cheap and wondering if it's a good > pre. Stephen? > > > > Ed > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 9 04:57:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:57:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D1@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002201c10823$a0d0ca80$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Is there any advantage of setting rec head height by "listening" to it .... is it more accurate than setting the pb first then maximising the rec head output ? I'm curious if we can use the rec head for erase function plus wondered whether Nak made its track tape alignment with specifically built rec head or simply by reversing the action, i.e. record 1k for the whole width and erased the track path using rec head. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 > Nick, > For your question #1, Just in addition, remind the gap needed for recording > must be larger than for playback issue. With wear, the gap opens and R/P > head becomes more optimum for recording than for playback, being from > conception, born compromised in gap dimentions. You have unerstand that is > not a basically azimuth problem, but a wider playback gap leads to lesser HF > levels and moreover, larger gap are a lot more critical with tapes that are > guided askew. > > ...I dare a very exagerated comparison... > Have you ever try, in a three heads deck to put the rec head connector into > the pb amp ? It will gives you a good idea of what hellish sound you get > with an x-trem worn out head :-) > > (I used this method to allign the rec head height of a 582 to track > perfectly a 1000ZXL 400 Hz cassette made, both in level and phase -with xy > scope-) > > I face the same phenomenon as you with my 2H Naks, a LX-3, Which one records > clearer than any other, and plays dull. (having 480Z before, similar > behaviour but for this one, its overall sound quality was not my cup of tea) > > all the best, > Matyas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 9 06:20:39 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:50:39 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon squeak Message-ID: <20010709042039.4EA9D1DFCA3@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Mon Jul 9 06:20:57 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:20:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Advice (OT) Message-ID: <1e.183ebb95.287a8b29@aol.com> One more thing I have also heard on the Audible Illusions. I have been told that the customer support form the company is terrible. No returned phone calls, ect. Never owned one, just the word from other owners I know. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From kfendt at web.de Mon Jul 9 08:35:12 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:35:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Overpriced Nak Manuals Message-ID: <200107090635.f696ZCg04524@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Kannan, I can't say the following often enough: Nearly every Nak manual is available on the well known German (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de) address and non of these things costs more than approximately 30 U$ (without shipping costs).The most expensie I've ever bought was the SM for the 1000 ZXL which is about 20 U$. I really can't understand why people are paying that much money for something that is not rare to get. Enjoy your machines Klaus > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > It went for 154+$. > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ Ihre Aktien, Fonds und Optionsscheine - personalisiert auf einen Blick! Professionell, kompakt und einfach: http://boerse.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Jul 9 08:35:40 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:35:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Overpriced Nak Manuals Message-ID: <200107090635.f696Zeg10812@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Kannan, I can't say the following often enough: Nearly every Nak manual is available on the well known German (http://www.schaltungsdienst.de) address and non of these things costs more than approximately 30 U$ (without shipping costs).The most expensive one I've ever bought was the Service Manual for the 1000 ZXL which is about 20 U$. I really can't understand why people are paying that much money for something that is not rare to get. Enjoy your machines Klaus > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > It went for 154+$. > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Sie surfen im Internet statt im Meer? Selbst schuld! Auf zum Strand: http://lastminute.de/?PP=1-0-100-105-1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Jul 9 08:41:52 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:41:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 Service Manual Message-ID: <200107090641.f696fqg27588@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Hi Rick, if you can't get any copy of the manual feel free to ask me for getting one for you. The price - I'm pretty sure - will be lower than you can think about. If you want me to do so I can ask for details. Klaus > Hi. Are any of you the lucky bidder of the CR-3 > service manual on ebay? If so, would you be > interested in selling me a copy of this? > By the way, I am a single nak owner. I would love > to participate in the multiple ownership club, but > my wife and kids seem to find other places for my > hard earned cash to go. Some day, maybe a CR-7 or > ZX-9. > I had the privilage of working with a CR-7 years > ago at a studio I was working for. When they went > out of business I tried to acquire it, but one of > the owners wanted it for himself. Oh well. > Thanks > Rick > -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ Immer einen Schritt voraus. Mit dem WEB.DE Depot-Service haben Sie alle Ihre Wertpapiere im Griff. Professionell und einfach. http://boerse.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 9 12:26:32 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:26:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay news - the paper that costs the earth? References: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B4986D8.3C9D86BD@sunint.co.za> A cleaning cloth, for crying in a bucket! I have a cleaning cloth. Imagine the hurble-flurble that would accompany an e-bay auction for it. Here's mine. "You are bidding on an original Nakamichi Cassette Deck cleaning cloth. This soft, lint free, absorbent dustcloth accompanied the top the series 682ZX as part of the accessory portfolio. The cloth, which is fashioned from a fine, uniform weft, felt textile is precision dyed in rich ascot grey. The bottom left hand corner sports the prestigious Nakamichi emblem in tasteful, understated black. "The cloth itself has seen few hours use. The serrated cloth edges are uniformly straight, which underscore it's pristine condition. Enhancing it's value further is the fact that it has never been washed. "This is a rare opprtunity for serious collectors to bid on a truly worthwhile item. I will ship the cloth, in a sealed double cyrovac package, suitably protected from excessive jarring or atmospheric corrosive elements. "Good luck!" Marc kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > It went for 154+$. > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 9 13:10:07 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:10:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cloth auction Message-ID: <3B49910F.7D0D3DC3@sunint.co.za> I forgot to mention that any cloth shipped by me would be sold "as is" due to age, and of course, due to the nature of 'used cloths' not refundable or returnable but guaranteed not to be "DOA". Have a good day, all Naksters. And by the way, I'm not selling mine!!!!!!!! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jul 9 15:15:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:15:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ebay news - the paper that costs the earth? References: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B4986D8.3C9D86BD@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B49AE7A.B4D56D81@concentric.net> You forgot to include that it has been recently aligned by Nakamichi :-). Marc Hugo wrote: > > A cleaning cloth, for crying in a bucket! > > I have a cleaning cloth. Imagine the hurble-flurble that would accompany an e-bay auction for it. > Here's mine. > > "You are bidding on an original Nakamichi Cassette Deck cleaning cloth. This soft, lint free, > absorbent dustcloth accompanied the top the series 682ZX as part of the accessory portfolio. The > cloth, which is fashioned from a fine, uniform weft, felt textile is precision dyed in rich ascot > grey. The bottom left hand corner sports the prestigious Nakamichi emblem in tasteful, understated > black. > > "The cloth itself has seen few hours use. The serrated cloth edges are uniformly straight, which > underscore it's pristine condition. Enhancing it's value further is the fact that it has never been > washed. > > "This is a rare opprtunity for serious collectors to bid on a truly worthwhile item. I will ship the > cloth, in a sealed double cyrovac package, suitably protected from excessive jarring or atmospheric > corrosive elements. > > "Good luck!" > > Marc > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > > It went for 154+$. > > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! > > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 9 15:39:51 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:39:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ebay news - the paper that costs the earth? References: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B4986D8.3C9D86BD@sunint.co.za> <3B49AE7A.B4D56D81@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B49B426.25C0F489@sunint.co.za> Quite right, yes Ron, very recently!! Marc Ron wrote: > You forgot to include that it has been recently > aligned by Nakamichi :-). > > Marc Hugo wrote: > > > > A cleaning cloth, for crying in a bucket! > > > > I have a cleaning cloth. Imagine the hurble-flurble that would accompany an e-bay auction for it. > > Here's mine. > > > > "You are bidding on an original Nakamichi Cassette Deck cleaning cloth. This soft, lint free, > > absorbent dustcloth accompanied the top the series 682ZX as part of the accessory portfolio. The > > cloth, which is fashioned from a fine, uniform weft, felt textile is precision dyed in rich ascot > > grey. The bottom left hand corner sports the prestigious Nakamichi emblem in tasteful, understated > > black. > > > > "The cloth itself has seen few hours use. The serrated cloth edges are uniformly straight, which > > underscore it's pristine condition. Enhancing it's value further is the fact that it has never been > > washed. > > > > "This is a rare opprtunity for serious collectors to bid on a truly worthwhile item. I will ship the > > cloth, in a sealed double cyrovac package, suitably protected from excessive jarring or atmospheric > > corrosive elements. > > > > "Good luck!" > > > > Marc > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > > > It went for 154+$. > > > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > > > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > > > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > > > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! > > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 13:49:11 2001 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:49:11 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Message-ID: This business of "the gap", is crap. Older style heads as in the 682 ZX type series exhibit very little wear - even with a lot of use. The only thing that is critical is careful and complete alignment as per the service manual. My own 682ZX, which must be about 20 years old, has a response that is virtually flat from 20-27khz as measured on a Sound Technology 1500A tape deck analyzer. As for these BX problems, don't try to re-invent the wheel. You won't do it any better than Nak. Just get the thing properly aligned and replace the R/P head if nessesary. BTW, For what it's worth, I have been authorized to service Nakamichi for over 20 years. >From: "Matyas" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-2 >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:21:20 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [212.147.22.21] >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD12106B0062400431C9C14EE138099A0; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:41:37 -0700 >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >WAA13880for naktalk-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:49 +0200 >Received: from hotmail.com (oe64.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.199])by >zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13877for ; >Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:47 +0200 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:39:03 -0700 >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:41:45 -0700 >References: ><6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56D1 at mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 20:39:03.0794 (UTC) >FILETIME=[06A17520:01C107EE] >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com >Precedence: bulk > >Nick, >For your question #1, Just in addition, remind the gap needed for recording >must be larger than for playback issue. With wear, the gap opens and R/P >head becomes more optimum for recording than for playback, being from >conception, born compromised in gap dimentions. You have unerstand that is >not a basically azimuth problem, but a wider playback gap leads to lesser >HF >levels and moreover, larger gap are a lot more critical with tapes that are >guided askew. > >...I dare a very exagerated comparison... >Have you ever try, in a three heads deck to put the rec head connector into >the pb amp ? It will gives you a good idea of what hellish sound you get >with an x-trem worn out head :-) > >(I used this method to allign the rec head height of a 582 to track >perfectly a 1000ZXL 400 Hz cassette made, both in level and phase -with xy >scope-) > >I face the same phenomenon as you with my 2H Naks, a LX-3, Which one >records >clearer than any other, and plays dull. (having 480Z before, similar >behaviour but for this one, its overall sound quality was not my cup of >tea) > >all the best, >Matyas >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Igritski Nick" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:06 PM >Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 > > > > Guys, > > > > I'm aware, that lower BX'es are pretty crappy in general, so please >don't > > consider me as a die-hard fan of those. It's just happened to be, that I >own > > a BX-2, that permanently develops signs of pretty strange behaviour. Not > > that I desperately want to turn it into a great piece of gear at any >cost, > > but to fully understand the reasons causing such a behaviour would be >IMHO > > simply educative enough... > > > > Question #1 is as follows: > > > > My BX-2 has been fine-tuned and aligned by myself using proper equipment >and > > calibration tapes. It makes decent records, which play well on other >Naks >as > > well as non-Naks. The problem is that even its "own" tapes (tapes >recorded > > exactly on this particular deck) sound dull and constrained being played > > back on it. The feeling is akin to azimuth being slightly off. >Nevertheless, > > just put them into any other machine and you get it - the sound is clear >and > > quite crisp! What can this be? > > > > Question #2: > > > > Is there any possibility to RADICALLY change the sound (for better, > > naturally) of a BX-2? Or would it be way too expensive (like replacing >2/3 > > of the components etc.) and thus meaningless? > > > > TIA > > > > Nick > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jul 9 17:03:48 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:03:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: <12b.113f1c9.2878dce7@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I saw that. Also, the movie Sixteen Candles had a dragon cameo. When Miami Vice was in full swing, I remember seeing lots of Nak tape decks. Alex > Hi Alex, > > That was a very nice friend indeed. Did you see the movie 91/2 weeks? I > remember a brief cameo by the RX-505 along with some Onkyo gear. Very > impressive looking machine as well. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 9 18:37:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:37:05 +0700 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <028401c10784$6e83e660$283442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001201c10895$bb420560$52289bca@smarzuki> I must say that our NakExpert is amazing ... the whole large plastic wheel is almost covered with grease (applied with high hope) .... never worked ... yet one inch away from it is the squeak source ! Exactly one single drop of oil (applied with high skepticism) and mechanism sounds like it just came off a showroom ! Thanks much Stephen !!! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) > The "going to stop squeak" has, in every case on my bench, been cured by a > single drop of oil applied to the shaft of the main mode control drive > pulley(the one the belt goes around from the motor pulley). > The cam control circuit has two adustment pots, one for stop point & one for > play point. They are interactive, so you have to go back & forth until both > hit the right spots. On decks with cue function, there is a third pot for > cue position. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 9 21:28:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:28:03 -0600 Subject: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) References: <20010707040319.1347C1DFB91@webmail.vsnl.com> <002101c10775$28bfa1a0$43299bca@smarzuki> <028401c10784$6e83e660$283442cf@sank1> <001201c10895$bb420560$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001a01c108ad$469f6460$243442cf@sank1> Salim, Let me just take this opportunity to say, "Duh!" =) Heh, heh. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the single nak owner!) > > I must say that our NakExpert is amazing ... the whole large plastic wheel > is almost covered with grease (applied with high hope) .... never worked ... > yet one inch away from it is the squeak source ! Exactly one single drop of > oil (applied with high skepticism) and mechanism sounds like it just came > off a showroom ! > > Thanks much Stephen !!! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: Dragon squeak (was Re: [naktalk] - Dragonian buttons and the > single nak owner!) > > > > The "going to stop squeak" has, in every case on my bench, been cured by a > > single drop of oil applied to the shaft of the main mode control drive > > pulley(the one the belt goes around from the motor pulley). > > The cam control circuit has two adustment pots, one for stop point & one > for > > play point. They are interactive, so you have to go back & forth until > both > > hit the right spots. On decks with cue function, there is a third pot for > > cue position. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 9 23:31:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:31:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - 5 Revox B 215's for sale, only one believed to be working. In-Reply-To: <001201c10895$bb420560$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001301c108be$95971700$5030883e@a4s1s2> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445209737 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 10 03:18:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:18:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56E6@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00e001c108de$45545080$243442cf@sank1> Sorry, Nick. I saved your message to get back to later that same evening, then forgot about it. Tantalums & aluminums are electrolytic types that should be bypassed with as large a film cap as will fit. Ceramics should be replaced when possible, bypassed with 5 percent or more of value otherwise, as should mylars & polyesters. The exception is when the caps are in EQ circuits, where, if bypassing, you should replace the original cap with a similar cap of a reduced value, to arrive at the original value once bypassed. I am not sure, but I think S.P. refers to a polyester. Don't have a 700 here right now to compare the schematic reference to. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) > Thanks, Stephen. > > I must have formulated my question a bit obscure, but what I asked was what > is your comment on every particular type of caps used in 700TT? > > Well, OK, I know that Lytics have to be bypassed, Mylars ideally replaced. > What's about those Tantalums and Aluminiums? Are they film caps as well? Or > of some other kind? What about Ceramics? I always thought of them to be the > least fastidious... And, finally, what is S.P. cap? > > Thanks > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:03 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > The basic rule I mentioned before will answer the question. Where > > physical > > space & budget allow, replace with styrene(best) or propylene(second > > best). > > Otherwise, bypass with the best you can. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:23 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly questions - > > I'm > > > still learning... > > > > > > Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are > > several > > > types of caps to be found there: > > > > > > 1. Aluminium > > > 2. Ceramic > > > 3. Tantalum > > > 4. Mylar > > > 5. S.P. > > > 6. Lytic > > > > > > What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. - > > > bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. > > > > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jul 10 03:28:30 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:28:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ebay news - the paper that costs the earth? References: <20010707041826.2A79E1DFBA6@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B4986D8.3C9D86BD@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B4A5A3E.4F3A1463@snet.net> Can I use your description... ;-o The only thing I'd do is add that I'll throw in an original 682ZX brochure at no extra charge if the bidder uses the buy it now feature at only $199! Ed Marc Hugo wrote: > A cleaning cloth, for crying in a bucket! > > I have a cleaning cloth. Imagine the hurble-flurble that would accompany an e-bay auction for it. > Here's mine. > > "You are bidding on an original Nakamichi Cassette Deck cleaning cloth. This soft, lint free, > absorbent dustcloth accompanied the top the series 682ZX as part of the accessory portfolio. The > cloth, which is fashioned from a fine, uniform weft, felt textile is precision dyed in rich ascot > grey. The bottom left hand corner sports the prestigious Nakamichi emblem in tasteful, understated > black. > > "The cloth itself has seen few hours use. The serrated cloth edges are uniformly straight, which > underscore it's pristine condition. Enhancing it's value further is the fact that it has never been > washed. > > "This is a rare opprtunity for serious collectors to bid on a truly worthwhile item. I will ship the > cloth, in a sealed double cyrovac package, suitably protected from excessive jarring or atmospheric > corrosive elements. > > "Good luck!" > > Marc > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Wufwufl failed to get hold of Audio mag with 1000 ZXL review -at ebay . > > It went for 154+$. > > 1000ZXL limited service manual went to wufwufl for 150+$ > > Another 680zx service manual went for record 139+$ > > Guys preserve your paper work carefully. > > Another great ebay seller had put out Nak cleaning cloth ( quite dirty on his picture)for auction! > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 10 16:07:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:07:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] Message-ID: <83.cd0c3f9.287c662f@aol.com> In a message dated 7/9/2001 10:05:54 AM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Yes, I saw that. Also, the movie Sixteen Candles had a dragon cameo. When Miami Vice was in full swing, I remember seeing lots of Nak tape decks. Alex >> I hadn't seen Sixteen Candles ( I don't remember seeing it if I have), don't remember Nak cameos in Miami Vice...sad to learn that the Nak buttons are plastic. My TEAC buttons are plastic and plastic buttons are awful! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Jul 11 00:31:43 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:31:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 100zxl FS on audioshoppper.com Message-ID: <00c401c10990$194557c0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Damn, why is it I dont' have $400 when I find these damn things.. hope someone on the list scarfs it up at least. erie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Jul 10 01:28:20 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:28:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak 100zxl FS on audioshoppper.com References: <00c401c10990$194557c0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <004301c108ce$d81aba40$5606efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: erie patsellis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] nak 100zxl FS on audioshoppper.com I contacted the seller ( his son placed the ad ) They are in Michigan not far from me. He is not selling it for $400.00 after the response he got. I had offered him $800.00 and he never called me back. Kevin Rogers Damn, why is it I dont' have $400 when I find these damn things.. hope someone on the list scarfs it up at least. erie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Jul 11 16:31:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:31:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (3) Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56EB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, it feels great to finally get your feedback! Thanks that you remembered to answer my questions after all. Few more questions: 1. Talking about replacement, should Ceramics be replaced with Ceramics or with Films? 2. Mylars and Polyesters should be ideally replaced with Styrenes (Propylenes) of the same value, right? 3. If, as a matter of fact, Tantalums & Aluminiums are all Lytics, why does the Manual distinguish between them? What are the caps described simply as "Electrolytics" in nature then? 4. Now I would like to ask your detailed assistance in one particular case (just in order to be on the safe side... I won't practice it on a regular basis ;-) I'm going to start upgrading my 700 from the DC Power Supply, which contains only 6 bluish cylindrical (BTW, who's the manufacturer?) Lytics, namely: 470uf 35V (filtering cap straight after the 1st diode bridge, ("17V" path)) 100uf 25V (2 caps coupling stabilizer collector to groung ("17V" path)) 2200uf 18V (second filtering cap ("17V" path)) 2200uf 25V (filtering cap straight after the 2nd diode bridge, ("12V" path)) 1000uf 18V (second filtering cap ("17V" path)) What would personally you do about them? If you woud bypass them, which values exactly would you use? MTIA Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) > > Sorry, Nick. I saved your message to get back to later that same evening, > then forgot about it. > Tantalums & aluminums are electrolytic types that should be bypassed with > as > large a film cap as will fit. Ceramics should be replaced when possible, > bypassed with 5 percent or more of value otherwise, as should mylars & > polyesters. The exception is when the caps are in EQ circuits, where, if > bypassing, you should replace the original cap with a similar cap of a > reduced value, to arrive at the original value once bypassed. I am not > sure, but I think S.P. refers to a polyester. Don't have a 700 here right > now to compare the schematic reference to. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:46 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) > > > > Thanks, Stephen. > > > > I must have formulated my question a bit obscure, but what I asked was > what > > is your comment on every particular type of caps used in 700TT? > > > > Well, OK, I know that Lytics have to be bypassed, Mylars ideally > replaced. > > What's about those Tantalums and Aluminiums? Are they film caps as well? > Or > > of some other kind? What about Ceramics? I always thought of them to be > the > > least fastidious... And, finally, what is S.P. cap? > > > > Thanks > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:03 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > > > The basic rule I mentioned before will answer the question. Where > > > physical > > > space & budget allow, replace with styrene(best) or propylene(second > > > best). > > > Otherwise, bypass with the best you can. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:23 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly > questions - > > > I'm > > > > still learning... > > > > > > > > Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are > > > several > > > > types of caps to be found there: > > > > > > > > 1. Aluminium > > > > 2. Ceramic > > > > 3. Tantalum > > > > 4. Mylar > > > > 5. S.P. > > > > 6. Lytic > > > > > > > > What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. > - > > > > bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jul 11 17:51:08 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:51:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak 100zxl FS on audioshoppper.com References: <20010710.184520.-2036119.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B4C75EC.AF1DC925@concentric.net> I asked for information, too. Instead, he told me the last offer he got was for $950, plus S/H (yea, seems he actually wants to charge for 'handling' :-) ). Looks like $400 1000ZXLs no longer cost $400. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Can this be legit? > > I just e-mailed the guy to verity that it is, indeed a ZXL and not an > original 1000. > > I don't see any provision on audioshopper for giving sellers feedback > ratings. Sounds too good to be true. > > - Joe > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:31:43 -0700 "erie patsellis" > writes: > > Damn, why is it I dont' have $400 when I find these damn things.. > > hope someone on the list scarfs it up at least. > > > > > > erie > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 00:55:56 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:55:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right channel in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape using the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input level almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels to be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 13 04:03:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:03:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem References: Message-ID: <005e01c10b40$0a6fdc00$0f3442cf@sank1> Assuming it's not simply one bad tape(or box of tapes), you just have a calibration problem. With a minimum of specialised periphery & the service manual, it's quite safe for a non-pro to attempt to calibrate the recording side of the works, but the playback end should be left to someone who really knows what they're doing & has the proper Nak test tapes(at least). Of course, as long as both channels sound undistorted & tonally balanced, there's no serious reason not to just continue compensating with the input rec level controls. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem > > Hi, > > Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right channel > in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape using > the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you > are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. > This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input level > almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels to > be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. > Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my > problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the > support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. Thanks in advance. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Fri Jul 13 04:37:58 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:37:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Downloading service manuals Message-ID: <001401c10b44$d525f200$64c49d40@compaq> I've tried to open these manuals also, but I just can't do it. It appears that I need to have AOL to open these files. Any help or suggestions? Thanks for your input. - Big Bear, Phoenix, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem > > Hi, > > Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right channel > in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape using > the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you > are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. > This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input level > almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels to > be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. > Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my > problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the > support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. Thanks in advance. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 02:53:22 2001 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:53:22 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem Message-ID: Hi, Sounds like you Nak RX-505 needs a complete mechanical alignment and electronic calibration. The manual will not be enough to successfully complete this process. You absolutely need ALL the Nakamichi special alignment tools and tapes. Make sure who ever does the work has this equipment as well as the service manual and instruments (scope, meters, tape deck analyzer). Before I was authorized to do this work, I tried doing it without the Nakamichi special tools. I spent a great deal of time and was not able to do it perfectly. What took hours to do imperfectly, in some cases took only minutes with the proper tools. If you have the opportunity to look through the service manual you will see these tools. Look, it comes down to this; when you buy a Ferrarri, you don't bring it to the corner gas station for a tune-up! 73, Steve/VE2FSQ srudick at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 13 05:14:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:14:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Downloading service manuals References: <001401c10b44$d525f200$64c49d40@compaq> Message-ID: <008b01c10b49$f9367b60$0f3442cf@sank1> The RX-505 is in Deja-Vu format. There was a text file about downloading the Deja-Vu viewer, but I don't see it there now. I'm sure a quick search on google or etc. will come up with a source for it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Downloading service manuals > I've tried to open these manuals also, but I just can't do it. It appears > that I need to have AOL to open these files. Any help or suggestions? Thanks > for your input. > - Big Bear, Phoenix, Arizona > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:55 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right > channel > > in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape > using > > the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you > > are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. > > This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input > level > > almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels > to > > be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. > > Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my > > problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the > > support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 13 05:32:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:32:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem References: Message-ID: <002a01c10b4c$66bbfaa0$42289bca@smarzuki> Hi, If you bought it used / recently, then it might be a simple rec level calibration (which usually available on frontplate on some decks but not 505) but of course doesn't preclude possibility of misaligned rec head. But if you bought it from new and one channel is 'decaying' .... most likely it's time for the pro. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 5:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem > > Hi, > > Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right channel > in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape using > the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you > are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. > This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input level > almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels to > be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. > Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my > problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the > support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. 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Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 13 06:11:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:11:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR motor needs a push and I need help. References: <003201c10b4d$cd61a380$42289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00af01c10b51$f63af500$0f3442cf@sank1> Usually turns out to be a need for oil in the shaft bearings. I've only heard of that one occassion where there was an electronic problem, but it's always a possibility, with cold solder joints being the first thing to look for. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR motor needs a push and I need help. > > Hi Nakfellas, > > On one or two occassion my CR4 takeup capstan needs a bit of push before it > start rotating, any idea what went wrong ? Anybody still keep those old > posts regarding similar problem on cr7 long time ago ? (chip replacement and > such) > > Just happened since last month (one rare case of deck's jealousy perhaps). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 13 06:45:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:45:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (3) References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F56EB@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00c501c10b56$b503c260$0f3442cf@sank1> General rule is replace ceramics, mylars & polysters in the audio path & the power supplies for the audio path where possible/affordable with propylenes & styrenes. Otherwise bypass, with attention to keeping values the same in eq circuits. The classic electrolytic cap is aluminum. Tantalum is just a different kind of lytic, but with markedly different properties & generally more compact. On the supply caps, you only need to worry about the 17v supply, as the 12v supply is not involved with audio. The most improvement will be gained with bypassing the caps that are after the regulator. On the first big cap after the reg, I'd add 6 to 10ufd of polypropylene + at least 0.0022ufd of styrene. Then I'd add at least 0.1ufd of good propylene or styrene to the supply line at each entry point to each amp stage of each channel. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT mod (3) > Stephen, > > it feels great to finally get your feedback! Thanks that you remembered to > answer my questions after all. > > Few more questions: > > 1. Talking about replacement, should Ceramics be replaced with Ceramics or > with Films? > 2. Mylars and Polyesters should be ideally replaced with Styrenes > (Propylenes) of the same value, right? > 3. If, as a matter of fact, Tantalums & Aluminiums are all Lytics, why does > the Manual distinguish between them? What are the caps described simply as > "Electrolytics" in nature then? > 4. Now I would like to ask your detailed assistance in one particular case > (just in order to be on the safe side... I won't practice it on a regular > basis ;-) > I'm going to start upgrading my 700 from the DC Power Supply, which contains > only 6 bluish cylindrical (BTW, who's the manufacturer?) Lytics, namely: > > 470uf 35V (filtering cap straight after the 1st diode bridge, ("17V" path)) > 100uf 25V (2 caps coupling stabilizer collector to groung ("17V" path)) > 2200uf 18V (second filtering cap ("17V" path)) > 2200uf 25V (filtering cap straight after the 2nd diode bridge, ("12V" path)) > 1000uf 18V (second filtering cap ("17V" path)) > > What would personally you do about them? If you woud bypass them, which > values exactly would you use? > > MTIA > > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:19 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) > > > > Sorry, Nick. I saved your message to get back to later that same evening, > > then forgot about it. > > Tantalums & aluminums are electrolytic types that should be bypassed with > > as > > large a film cap as will fit. Ceramics should be replaced when possible, > > bypassed with 5 percent or more of value otherwise, as should mylars & > > polyesters. The exception is when the caps are in EQ circuits, where, if > > bypassing, you should replace the original cap with a similar cap of a > > reduced value, to arrive at the original value once bypassed. I am not > > sure, but I think S.P. refers to a polyester. Don't have a 700 here right > > now to compare the schematic reference to. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:46 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT mod (2) > > > > > > > Thanks, Stephen. > > > > > > I must have formulated my question a bit obscure, but what I asked was > > what > > > is your comment on every particular type of caps used in 700TT? > > > > > > Well, OK, I know that Lytics have to be bypassed, Mylars ideally > > replaced. > > > What's about those Tantalums and Aluminiums? Are they film caps as well? > > Or > > > of some other kind? What about Ceramics? I always thought of them to be > > the > > > least fastidious... And, finally, what is S.P. cap? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:03 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > > > > > The basic rule I mentioned before will answer the question. Where > > > > physical > > > > space & budget allow, replace with styrene(best) or propylene(second > > > > best). > > > > Otherwise, bypass with the best you can. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:23 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT mod (1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > sorry for disturbing you one more time with seemingly silly > > questions - > > > > I'm > > > > > still learning... > > > > > > > > > > Let's consider, say, the PB-amplifier of a 700TT closely. There are > > > > several > > > > > types of caps to be found there: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aluminium > > > > > 2. Ceramic > > > > > 3. Tantalum > > > > > 4. Mylar > > > > > 5. S.P. > > > > > 6. Lytic > > > > > > > > > > What can be said about each type from the MOD point of view? E.g. 6. > > - > > > > > bypass, 4.- replace, 2. - forget etc. > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 13 11:00:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:00:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem References: <04E6EBE3.3AC23EC8.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <003901c10b7a$5bcf1c20$49289bca@smarzuki> Thank you very much Nick, Stephen, Kannan (and of course Ron for having similar problem :-). Nick, excellent summary ! I put a drop of oil on the shaft and it sure makes the shaft easier to turn by hand (when deck is off), hopefully that's source of the problem, I'll know for sure after longer period of time. For some sentimental reason, this cr4 is rarely used and at one time I found rec head is almost covered by hard-to-get-rid-of dirt / rust. Since then I play full length tape at least once a month, possibly the lube has dried out too. Kannan I have the manual and will check the voltage if it stops again. Again muchas gracias !! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: CR motor problem > Salim, hi, > > I have old posts about CR-7 capstan motor problem, they are below. Hope they'll help. > > Best wishes, > > Nick. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Ron > Tue, 07 Nov 00 02:14AM MSK > [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Jul 13 14:49:14 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:49:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem References: <04E6EBE3.3AC23EC8.026D48C1@netscape.net> <003901c10b7a$5bcf1c20$49289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <1752AA2F.463419ED.026D48C1@netscape.net> You are welcome! :-))) Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Jul 13 14:58:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:58:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem References: <04E6EBE3.3AC23EC8.026D48C1@netscape.net> <003901c10b7a$5bcf1c20$49289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B4EF086.196BE6B1@concentric.net> Salim, I assume you have the old posts by now (somehow I didn't receive them from NakTalk -- if not just let me know. since I have them too). I have two things to add that may not have got into the thread at the time. First, there was one SMD resistor that lifted off the PCB. This was not the cause of the problem, but it's worthwhile to fully check the PCB visually for any disconnect. Second, the cause of the problem was the bad IC. After replacing it, the current (as calculated by measuring the drop across the 5.6 ohm series resistor) was still far too high, which was probably what caused the IC to fail in the first place. The cause was the capstans dry bearings. Stephen lubricated them and this dropped the current to the correct level and also completely cured the wow that had been another standing problem for a long time before that. I was going to eventually replace the motor and that drop of oil saved me roughly $150... Good luck with your deck. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thank you very much Nick, Stephen, Kannan (and of course Ron for having > similar problem :-). Nick, excellent summary ! > > I put a drop of oil on the shaft and it sure makes the shaft easier to turn > by hand (when deck is off), hopefully that's source of the problem, I'll > know for sure after longer period of time. For some sentimental reason, > this cr4 is rarely used and at one time I found rec head is almost covered > by hard-to-get-rid-of dirt / rust. Since then I play full length tape at > least once a month, possibly the lube has dried out too. > > Kannan I have the manual and will check the voltage if it stops again. > > Again muchas gracias !! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:14 PM > Subject: CR motor problem > > > Salim, hi, > > > > I have old posts about CR-7 capstan motor problem, they are below. Hope > they'll help. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nick. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Ron > > Tue, 07 Nov 00 02:14AM MSK > > [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 13 20:32:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:32:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem References: <04E6EBE3.3AC23EC8.026D48C1@netscape.net> <003901c10b7a$5bcf1c20$49289bca@smarzuki> <3B4EF086.196BE6B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004f01c10bca$2bf28d20$4a289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Ron, Deck's working fine today, but problem is that it was intermittent in the first place - maybe after longer period of time I will know for sure. Capstan's definitely easier to 'push' or rotate by hand though, should've cured that early warning of driver ic's death. What do you mean by 'serious wow' ? Clearly audible ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem > > Salim, I assume you have the old posts by now (somehow > I didn't receive them from NakTalk -- if not just let > me know. since I have them too). I have two things > to add that may not have got into the thread at the > time. > > First, there was one SMD resistor that lifted off the > PCB. This was not the cause of the problem, but it's > worthwhile to fully check the PCB visually for any > disconnect. > > Second, the cause of the problem was the bad IC. After > replacing it, the current (as calculated by measuring > the drop across the 5.6 ohm series resistor) was still > far too high, which was probably what caused the IC to > fail in the first place. The cause was the capstans > dry bearings. Stephen lubricated them and this dropped > the current to the correct level and also completely > cured the wow that had been another standing problem > for a long time before that. I was going to eventually > replace the motor and that drop of oil saved me roughly > $150... > > Good luck with your deck. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 14 00:48:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:48:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem References: <04E6EBE3.3AC23EC8.026D48C1@netscape.net> <003901c10b7a$5bcf1c20$49289bca@smarzuki> <3B4EF086.196BE6B1@concentric.net> <004f01c10bca$2bf28d20$4a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B4F7ACF.205336E6@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks Ron, > > Deck's working fine today, but problem is that it was intermittent in the > first place - maybe after longer period of time I will know for sure. > Capstan's definitely easier to 'push' or rotate by hand though, should've > cured that early warning of driver ic's death. > > What do you mean by 'serious wow' ? Clearly audible ? Yes, but it was intermittent. Some cassettes played fine, others had this wow -- often bad enough I could easily hear it. It was definitely caused by the dry bearings. It never appeared again after lubrication. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: CR motor problem > > > > > Salim, I assume you have the old posts by now (somehow > > I didn't receive them from NakTalk -- if not just let > > me know. since I have them too). I have two things > > to add that may not have got into the thread at the > > time. > > > > First, there was one SMD resistor that lifted off the > > PCB. This was not the cause of the problem, but it's > > worthwhile to fully check the PCB visually for any > > disconnect. > > > > Second, the cause of the problem was the bad IC. After > > replacing it, the current (as calculated by measuring > > the drop across the 5.6 ohm series resistor) was still > > far too high, which was probably what caused the IC to > > fail in the first place. The cause was the capstans > > dry bearings. Stephen lubricated them and this dropped > > the current to the correct level and also completely > > cured the wow that had been another standing problem > > for a long time before that. I was going to eventually > > replace the motor and that drop of oil saved me roughly > > $150... > > > > Good luck with your deck. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jul 14 14:57:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:57:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Winnie Pooh's 505 Message-ID: <003c01c10c64$81d0eb20$46289bca@smarzuki> Kannan must've meant to send this one to naktalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:58 AM > > Winnipooh > We would be happy to know your real name - this being a nice and helpful open forum, it would be easy to address you. > Your problem both play back and record definitely indicates play and record heads both misaligned - as Stephen points out this repair requires service manual/ Nak test tapes & tools. If you are not having enough experience; I suggest a trip to knowledgeable Tech guy/ girl > for your RX505 > Kannan > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > Hi, > > If you bought it used / recently, then it might be a simple rec level > calibration (which usually available on frontplate on some decks but not > 505) but of course doesn't preclude possibility of misaligned rec head. > > But if you bought it from new and one channel is 'decaying' .... most likely > it's time for the pro. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 5:55 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 recording problem > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know why the left channel level is lower than the right > channel > > in recording and playback? When you switch between the source and tape > using > > the source/tape button whilst recording, both channels are equal when you > > are listening to source but become unequal when you switch back to tape. > > This is correctable on recording by increasing the left channel input > level > > almost to maximum. Tapes made by other machines which show both channels > to > > be equal also playback at a lower level on the left compared to right. > > Everything else seems to be working normally. Anyone got any answers to my > > problems? I have tried to download the service manuals from the > > support.naks.com site, but can't get the files to open. Thanks in advance. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Jul 14 15:18:52 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:18:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply Message-ID: Hi, Thanks to everyone for all your help. Kannan, as you have suggested, the problem is probably misaligned play/record heads, since I tried adjusting them and the channels equalised. However, since I do not have the expertise or tools to do this properly and the deck needs a good service anyway, I will have to send it to a service centre. Incidentally, my "proper" name is Kelvin (winniepooh was a childhood favourite). BTW, if anyone has any Nakamichi tapes, tools, etc to lend to me so that I can have a go at servicing it myself that would be great! Then when I finish messing it up I can send it to a service centre! >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:58 AM > > > > > > Winnipooh > > We would be happy to know your real name - this being a nice and helpful >open forum, it would be easy to address you. > > Your problem both play back and record definitely indicates play and >record heads both misaligned - as Stephen points out this repair requires >service manual/ Nak test tapes & tools. If you are not having enough >experience; I suggest a trip to knowledgeable Tech guy/ girl > > for your RX505 > > Kannan > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Jul 15 01:25:16 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:25:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply References: Message-ID: <021101c10cbc$3d56fae0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply > if anyone has any Nakamichi tapes, tools, etc to lend to me so that I can have a go at > servicing it myself that would be great! You must be joking. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 reply > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 3:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply > > > > if anyone has any Nakamichi tapes, tools, etc to lend to me so > that I can have a go at > > servicing it myself that would be great! > > You must be joking. > > > Maurits > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jul 15 07:04:20 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:34:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply Message-ID: <20010715050420.2D16F114DB4@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 09:18:52 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:18:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 reply Message-ID: Maurits, If you read the entire message you will realise that I am joking. As I've said, I have neither the tools nor expertise to attempt such a task. Thanks to all of you who replied, as I wanted to be sure that nothing more serious could be wrong. It's overdue for a service anyway, as its been years since it's last one. That's why it's now with the Nakamichi service centre in England. If I lived in USA, it will have gone to Stephen, I am always intrigued by all the modifications he's mentioned here. Shame that the Nak centre here doesn't do anything like that. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 16 10:54:53 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:54:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak servicing Message-ID: <3B52ABDD.B828824@sunint.co.za> Kelvin wrote: > If I lived in USA, it will have gone to Stephen, I am always > intrigued by all the modifications he's mentioned here. > I usually feel the same way Kelvin - the tweaks always sound really worthwhile. I think I would worry about shipping too much to send anything from here (RSA) - not the price, although that would cost quite a bit, but the rough and tumble of the postal system. Stephen has (from what I understand in past posts) sent decks across the seven seas after being serviced by him. I would be interested to hear what the costs of that might be (just ballpark). What might be worthwhile is buying a machine on e-bay and having it sent direct to Mr Sank in New Mexico, then onto the owner. I don't know if this is viable Stephen? Payment through your listed arrangements of course. Cheers, Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 16 11:44:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:44:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak servicing References: <3B52ABDD.B828824@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <01ac01c10ddb$e487f9c0$483442cf@sank1> It's become quite regular practice for decks, microphones, etc. to come to me directly from a seller, to be serviced or mod'ed & sent on to the buyer/client. Most of my international business has been with microphones, which are actually pretty cheap to ship. But the price goes up very sharply with weight. If I recall correctly, it cost around $100 usd to ship Klaus his Dragon. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak servicing > Kelvin wrote: > > > If I lived in USA, it will have gone to Stephen, I am always > > intrigued by all the modifications he's mentioned here. > > > > I usually feel the same way Kelvin - the tweaks always sound really > worthwhile. I think I would worry about shipping too much to send > anything from here (RSA) - not the price, although that would cost quite > a bit, but the rough and tumble of the postal system. > > Stephen has (from what I understand in past posts) sent decks across the > seven seas after being serviced by him. I would be interested to hear > what the costs of that might be (just ballpark). > > What might be worthwhile is buying a machine on e-bay and having it sent > direct to Mr Sank in New Mexico, then onto the owner. I don't know if > this is viable Stephen? Payment through your listed arrangements of > course. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 19:23:09 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:23:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] week reply Message-ID: Hi Nakers. Thanks to you Stefen for the Dragon led color question. Kannan, the REC button my Dragon if rather flickering and I see what Steve & you mean. For the rec head cal', it is not a great idea from me to align the rec head by this way, I learnt it about 2 years before on the net on a reel to reel alignment page. Salim, I wasn't calibrating the rec head by listening at, but I taked the opportunity (to have it plugged in the play back amp) to do it. (RH CN plugged into my second 582 pb amp infact, the wires being too short) PS. Before leaving a week Geneva, I saw for the first time in a 2nd hand shop a ReVox B-215 for just 300.- CHF(190 usd I think). very exiting. I was walking forehead to it and a customer take it away, just before me. In Switzerland, the schools have their music classes equiped with ReVox gears. The B-215 is really common there, but they are rarely sold on 2nd hand. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 18 13:30:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:30:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." Message-ID: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> (2 days passed without a msg). OT: any naktalkers ever use or aware of any shareware / trialware MLSSA software ? Care to share the links with me ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 18 13:34:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:34:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: <001101c10f7d$aa71d500$5e289bca@smarzuki> Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jul 18 19:13:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:13:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> Hi Salim, Try this link: http://www.etfacoustic.com/download.html I purchased the full software version, along with mic preamp and calibration mic about six months ago. I'm quite happy with it. Hope this helps! Happy Listening (or should I say, measuring?) Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > (2 days passed without a msg). > > OT: any naktalkers ever use or aware of any shareware / trialware MLSSA > software ? Care to share the links with me ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 18 19:32:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:32:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003101c10faf$b3f732a0$59289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim, Thanks much !! I did a lousy job on web search ... quite reasonable price for such software. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." > > Hi Salim, > > Try this link: > > http://www.etfacoustic.com/download.html > > I purchased the full software version, along with mic preamp and > calibration mic about six months ago. I'm quite happy with it. > > Hope this helps! > > Happy Listening (or should I say, measuring?) > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jul 18 20:20:03 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:20:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> <003101c10faf$b3f732a0$59289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B55D353.5559385C@earthlink.net> Salim, Just keep in mind that the software is designed primarily for room acoustic analysis and speaker placement. You right though, the price was very reasonable. Good luck! Jim Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Thanks much !! I did a lousy job on web search ... quite reasonable price > for such software. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > Try this link: > > > > http://www.etfacoustic.com/download.html > > > > I purchased the full software version, along with mic preamp and > > calibration mic about six months ago. I'm quite happy with it. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Happy Listening (or should I say, measuring?) > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 21:00:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: <124.1d098d6.288736cc@aol.com> In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself a new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward any pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses to share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New Yorker in me, what would you advise? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 18 21:34:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:34:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 References: <124.1d098d6.288736cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <045201c10fc0$b54c52a0$483442cf@sank1> Sounds pretty shady. I would stay away from it unless the guy comes through with pix & info. BTW, your CR-7 should be arriving today or tomorrow, I think. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to go. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > Hi Salim, > > Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself a > new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward any > pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look > at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He > has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses to > share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in > worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New Yorker > in me, what would you advise? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jul 18 21:34:54 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:34:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 References: <124.1d098d6.288736cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c10fc0$b921ebb0$48756acf@johnrotten> Sounds like he's from N.Y. Sorry, just kidding. I would be a little wary, maybe he's thinking the reserve should have been a lot higher. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to go. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > Hi Salim, > > Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself a > new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward any > pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look > at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He > has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses to > share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in > worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New Yorker > in me, what would you advise? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 21:44:39 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:44:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: Sam, I think you are right to be suspicious. Maybe others are too, hence why there are no bidders so far? Incidentally, he does have a few negative feedbacks and some unusual tastes - last purchase he made was for some male G strings. Or is it we are just more conservative in England? Hmmmm... If you bid low and win, even if it does turn out to be defective you can always send it to Stephen to give it the once over and then you'll have a great deck! At least that's what I would do if I'm in USA. Kelvin. >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:28 EDT > >In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, >smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > ><< Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to >go. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> >Hi Salim, > >Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself >a >new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward >any >pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look >at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He >has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses >to >share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in >worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New >Yorker >in me, what would you advise? > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jul 18 21:47:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:47:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 References: <124.1d098d6.288736cc@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B55E7B5.CB913CE4@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to go. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > Hi Salim, > > Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself a > new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward any > pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look > at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He > has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses to > share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in > worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New Yorker > in me, what would you advise? > > -Sam Sam, take ebay feedbacks with a sack of salt; it means little. I was scammed, big time, by some one that had 150 positive feedbacks, yet decided to take the money and run exactly for me :-(. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jul 18 22:06:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:06:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 References: Message-ID: <3B55EC40.26ACF71B@concentric.net> wine pooh wrote: > > Sam, > > I think you are right to be suspicious. Maybe others are too, hence why > there are no bidders so far? Incidentally, he does have a few negative > feedbacks and some unusual tastes - last purchase he made was for some male > G strings. Or is it we are just more conservative in England? Hmmmm... > > If you bid low and win, even if it does turn out to be defective you can > always send it to Stephen to give it the once over and then you'll have a > great deck! At least that's what I would do if I'm in USA. > > Kelvin. > > >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:28 EDT > > > >In a message dated 7/18/2001 6:43:11 AM Central Daylight Time, > >smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > > ><< Precisely $200 unless other bidder use buy it now for $300. 1 day to > >go. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1255422064 > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM >> > >Hi Salim, > > > >Yes, thank you. I've only made two purchases on eBay so I consider myself > >a > >new eBay user. Question - I contacted the seller, he refuses to forward > >any > >pictures or share with me who he brought this deck from (he told me to look > >at the completed items for a picture of the deck, but wasn't specific). He > >has high ratings and no negatives, should I be concerned since he refuses > >to > >share any pictures? What immediately comes to mind is that this deck is in > >worse shape than he claims or he's hiding something? Could be the New > >Yorker > >in me, what would you advise? > > > >-Sam Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to verified accounts. See their web site. Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 22:19:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:19:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: time for another "hellooooo ..." Off Topic (OT) - Virtual Tape Decks Message-ID: <40.e515343.28874963@aol.com> Hi Salim and who else is out there! It's summertime so everyone is out and about...so this seems like the perfect time for an off topic discussion. Last week I attended a ProTools (www.protools.com) demonstration at my local Guitar Center. Until this presentation I was heavily leaning towards CuBase (www.steinberg.net) having attended a 3-hour demonstration at a local Sam Ash's Music Center prior to this demonstration. (Currently, I am a happy CoolEdit 2000 user (www.cooledit.com) who eventually would like to transition into DVD development and both 5.1 and 7.1 audio creation). What I discovered with both CuBase and ProTools that is of particular interest to this group is the realization that we have truly come full circle with regard to the analog vs. digital debate. And, analog is the clear winner! Featured during the CuBase demonstration were several authentic software replicas of popular instruments that are either no longer available or are available at very high prices (e.g. Hammond B-series organs, Roland drum machines, classic Fender Stratocaster's). Also featured during the ProTools presentation were several very authentic software emulators for equipment many of you may have used at one time or another including the Pultec Program Eq, Tel-Ray Variable Delay, Fairchild Model 660 Compressor, various SansAmps, JoeMeek Sc2 Compressor, Meter Bridges with working VU meters, and REEL-TO-REEL decks! (if interested, check out www.bombfactory.com, www.native-instruments.com, www.mcdsp.com) YES! Now using software you can actually recreate all of the acoustic elements and dynamics that your favorite analog Struder-Revox deck creates using a software package. ProTools actually features all of the studio reel-to-reel decks as software. Now, I didn't mean to write a book here but wasn't the purpose of going "digital" to eliminate all of the rack equipment in the first place? For the prosumer and small studio environments - yes it's definitely an advantage. But for major production houses who have the dollars and the space for the actual analog gear, what's the purpose in replacing the physical gear with a virtual duplicate? BTW - I even have a DirectX plug-in that recreates the dynamics of a turntable - I can add the presence of a worn stylus, or a tonearm and stylus that is to heavy or to light, not to mention adding the hiss, snap, crackle and pop associated with LP's to my digital audio files. What's the purpose? If I want an LP sound, I just record from an LP. Anyway, just thought I'd share this with you and ask for any comments or feedback...And BTW - although it weighs 100 pounds and uses tubes, I wouldn't mind having the "hardware" version of the Fairchild 660 compressor or the Pultec Eq just to run my signal through in my main system. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 22:26:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: <54.1776c2fd.28874ae6@aol.com> In a message dated 7/18/2001 2:35:43 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Sounds like he's from N.Y. Sorry, just kidding. I would be a little wary, maybe he's thinking the reserve should have been a lot higher. >> LOL, Hey Jim, how are you my friend? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 22:26:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: <62.114d2422.28874afd@aol.com> In a message dated 7/18/2001 2:35:43 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Sounds like he's from N.Y. Sorry, just kidding. I would be a little wary, maybe he's thinking the reserve should have been a lot higher. >> Actually, I think he is from NY, Long Island... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 22:30:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:30:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: <9e.175bb773.28874bff@aol.com> In a message dated 7/18/2001 2:47:06 PM Central Daylight Time, winniepoohlove at hotmail.com writes: << Sam, I think you are right to be suspicious. Maybe others are too, hence why there are no bidders so far? Incidentally, he does have a few negative feedbacks and some unusual tastes - last purchase he made was for some male G strings. Or is it we are just more conservative in England? Hmmmm... If you bid low and win, even if it does turn out to be defective you can always send it to Stephen to give it the once over and then you'll have a great deck! At least that's what I would do if I'm in USA. Kelvin. >> Hi Kelvin, I missed the G-string purchase, but will have to review his feedback again as I didn't see any negatives at first glance. Yes, if his deck is in any decent shape it can be revived "...we have the technology, we can rebuild him, faster, better, stronger.." sorry, a little Six-Million Dollar man humor. I try to follow my instinct as when I don't I usually suffer, so I will pass on this one. However, I truly appreciate everyone on NakTalk looking out for me. There will be other CR-5's and eventually I'll own one. But thank you all for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 22:32:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:32:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to verified accounts. See their web site. Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... -- Ron >> Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that discussion... (LOL) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 22:59:02 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Software based RTA In-Reply-To: <3B55D353.5559385C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010718205902.4122.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Another reasonable priced RTA program is Sound Prism http://www.7shades.com/soundprism/index.html SJ --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > Salim, > > Just keep in mind that the software is designed > primarily for room > acoustic analysis and speaker placement. You right > though, the price was > very reasonable. > > Good luck! > > Jim > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Thanks much !! I did a lousy job on web search > ... quite reasonable price > > for such software. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo > ..." > > > > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > Try this link: > > > > > > http://www.etfacoustic.com/download.html > > > > > > I purchased the full software version, along > with mic preamp and > > > calibration mic about six months ago. I'm quite > happy with it. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Happy Listening (or should I say, measuring?) > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Jul 19 00:42:19 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:42:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sam - a strategy. Ask if you can get a picture of the deck with the current owner standing by wearing the newly purchased G-String. Maybe this will get you to see the unit. Just a thought. (LOL) Stan P.S. BTW - was this used G-string he bought? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Wed, July 18, 2001 3:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to verified accounts. See their web site. Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... -- Ron >> Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that discussion... (LOL) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 01:54:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:54:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... Message-ID: <124.1d98d5b.28877bab@aol.com> In a message dated 7/18/2001 5:42:36 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << Sam - a strategy. Ask if you can get a picture of the deck with the current owner standing by wearing the newly purchased G-String. Maybe this will get you to see the unit. Just a thought. (LOL) Stan P.S. BTW - was this used G-string he bought? >> LOL -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 02:14:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:14:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE for sale Message-ID: <26.1860a970.2887805e@aol.com> Hi All! Looks like a nice deck although I've never owned one or heard one. How do they perform in both recording and playback? Also, if Stephen worked on this deck then I know it's in good shape. These appear to be very large machines. How do they compare with the Dragon, ZX-9 or CR-7? Just curious... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1256310720 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 02:33:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:33:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What can I learn about the heads on this deck Message-ID: Hi! Is there anything in particular that stands out about the condition of the heads on this RX-505? -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1254781332 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 02:38:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:38:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Differences between the RX-505, 303 and 202 Message-ID: <3b.17929977.288785fa@aol.com> Given the relative silence on NakTalk, I thought I'd spice things up a bit. (smile) There have been a several RX-series decks for sale on eBay and I wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group just how good are the RX naks and what is the major differences between them. I have read the specs on Wouter's website, so I understand the mechanics. But what about that ever-present and always popular specification called "sound." It appears that the RX-202 is mearly a BX-150 with the reverse mechanism. So, the larger question is what's the major difference between the RX-303 and the RX-505. I remember playing with the RX-505 and the -303 in the military PX where I shopped overseas. Nice looking decks, kinda like the BX-series in look and feel. At the time I made my tape deck purchases I thought the reverse mechanism would break down under my heavy DJ use. In hindsight it would have held up greatly and would have made a nice addition to my system! Go figure... But what about the sound? And, if the RX-505 truly sounds as good as it's owner's claim, what is it about it that makes it sound so good? Since it uses the Crystalloy heads, is it the transport? Honestly, I've only heard positive things about the RX-505. So the larger question for this groups is would you own one? As always, thank you for your feedback and advise. -Sam The CR-7 Man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 02:59:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:59:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... References: Message-ID: <04df01c10fee$0bfc4600$483442cf@sank1> Hey, give the guy a break. Maybe it was an incomplete set of guitar strings. He only needed a G string, so that's what he bought. He's not necessarily a weirdo, although buying one guitar string would still be pretty damn weird. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... > Sam - a strategy. Ask if you can get a picture of the deck with the current > owner standing by wearing the newly purchased G-String. Maybe this will get > you to see the unit. Just a thought. (LOL) > > Stan > > P.S. BTW - was this used G-string he bought? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2001 3:33 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > > > In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment > through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered > dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to > verified accounts. See their web site. > > Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the > seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky > person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one > respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... > > -- Ron >> > > Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that > discussion... > (LOL) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 03:04:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:04:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE for sale References: <26.1860a970.2887805e@aol.com> Message-ID: <04eb01c10fee$cedfefa0$483442cf@sank1> That's an old friend, Nick Doshi, who is selling that 700ZXE. Nice guy. Works at a radio station in NYC. It's been a good five years since I worked on that deck, so it's certainly due for a tune up, but he does take very good care of his decks & has the good sense not to let anyone else work on his Naks, so it may barely need any attention. Of course, the way ebay has been, the owner's & service manuals included are worth easily half his "buy it now" price, which I'm surprised nobody has taken advantage of yet. The ZXE actually has a nicer, discrete PB head amp than the ZXL, oddly enough. It just has a somewhat simpler auto-cal system & no cal memory preset buttons(but it does remember the last of each tape type calibrated). Actually an easier deck to use because of that. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE for sale > Hi All! > > Looks like a nice deck although I've never owned one or heard one. How do > they perform in both recording and playback? Also, if Stephen worked on this > deck then I know it's in good shape. These appear to be very large machines. > How do they compare with the Dragon, ZX-9 or CR-7? Just curious... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1256310720 > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 03:06:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:06:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What can I learn about the heads on this deck References: Message-ID: <04f101c10fef$157d0600$483442cf@sank1> Kind of a weird angle on the picture, but I can't see any signs of wear at all. Looks like it's in nice shape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] What can I learn about the heads on this deck > Hi! > > Is there anything in particular that stands out about the condition of the > heads on this RX-505? > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1254781332 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 03:10:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:10:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Differences between the RX-505, 303 and 202 References: <3b.17929977.288785fa@aol.com> Message-ID: <04f701c10fef$8bc61720$483442cf@sank1> The RX303 has the real Nak dual capstan transport. Essentially an LX-3 with auto-reverse & improved Dolby circuits. Just as the RX-505 is the same relationship to the LX-5. The RX202 is the Sankyo mech, and is very much a BX150 with reverse. The RX505 is not quite as transparent a sound as the CR-7, but it really isn't far off, and I wouldn't mind owning one at all, even as my sole Nak. Much as I have said of the LX-5. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Differences between the RX-505, 303 and 202 > Given the relative silence on NakTalk, I thought I'd spice things up a bit. > (smile) There have been a several RX-series decks for sale on eBay and I > wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group just how good are the RX > naks and what is the major differences between them. > > I have read the specs on Wouter's website, so I understand the mechanics. > But what about that ever-present and always popular specification called > "sound." It appears that the RX-202 is mearly a BX-150 with the reverse > mechanism. So, the larger question is what's the major difference between > the RX-303 and the RX-505. I remember playing with the RX-505 and the -303 > in the military PX where I shopped overseas. > > Nice looking decks, kinda like the BX-series in look and feel. At the time I > made my tape deck purchases I thought the reverse mechanism would break down > under my heavy DJ use. In hindsight it would have held up greatly and would > have made a nice addition to my system! Go figure... > > But what about the sound? And, if the RX-505 truly sounds as good as it's > owner's claim, what is it about it that makes it sound so good? Since it > uses the Crystalloy heads, is it the transport? Honestly, I've only heard > positive things about the RX-505. So the larger question for this groups is > would you own one? As always, thank you for your feedback and advise. > > -Sam The CR-7 Man! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Jul 19 05:08:05 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:08:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR series decks??? Message-ID: <001c01c11000$07a9d6a0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I am looking for a couple of MR-1's for my church, anybody have any leads on low $$ MR-1's???? erie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 03:15:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:15:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR series decks??? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2001 8:10:26 PM Central Daylight Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << I am looking for a couple of MR-1's for my church, anybody have any leads on low $$ MR-1's???? erie >> Hi Erie, Don't know what low is for you, but I've seen a few on eBay. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks for the insight. -Sam The CR-7 man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 03:33:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:33:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR series decks??? References: <001c01c11000$07a9d6a0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <053201c10ff2$c6ce5dc0$483442cf@sank1> No leads for you other than that they come up quite regularly on ebay, but I do have a bit of advice. The MR-1 was made from about 1984 until at least 1990, maybe 1993, so it straddled the "gear uprade" implementation point in production. So, when you find one, you must either confirm that it has had the gear upgrade installed, or that it was purchased new well after mid-1988. You need to also be concious of the fact that the majority of MR-1's were used in recording studios & duplication facilities, so may have seen very heavy use and/or lots of tobacco & , ahem, other smoke. So, ask lots of questions of any seller. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] MR series decks??? I am looking for a couple of MR-1's for my church, anybody have any leads on low $$ MR-1's???? erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Thu Jul 19 04:09:35 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:09:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi NR-100 Message-ID: <006f01c10ff7$dc16b920$e502efd1@kevinrog> Hi All. Just got a Nakamichi 1000ZXL. Now I'm looking for the NR-100 Dolby C adaptor. If anyone has one to sell or trade or knows where one is, please contact me. Thanks Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jul 19 04:35:35 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:35:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... References: Message-ID: <3B564776.69CC2939@snet.net> I can't help asking which "unit" you might see in such a picture... sorry to be a tad off color, but I just couldn't help myself. Ed Stan Targowski wrote: > Sam - a strategy. Ask if you can get a picture of the deck with the current > owner standing by wearing the newly purchased G-String. Maybe this will get > you to see the unit. Just a thought. (LOL) > > Stan > > P.S. BTW - was this used G-string he bought? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2001 3:33 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > > In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment > through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered > dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to > verified accounts. See their web site. > > Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the > seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky > person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one > respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... > > -- Ron >> > > Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that > discussion... > (LOL) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Jul 19 05:07:48 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:07:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... In-Reply-To: <3B564776.69CC2939@snet.net> Message-ID: Whichever "unit" gets you going. I am sorry too, I just couldn't help posting that note ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Wed, July 18, 2001 9:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... I can't help asking which "unit" you might see in such a picture... sorry to be a tad off color, but I just couldn't help myself. Ed Stan Targowski wrote: > Sam - a strategy. Ask if you can get a picture of the deck with the current > owner standing by wearing the newly purchased G-String. Maybe this will get > you to see the unit. Just a thought. (LOL) > > Stan > > P.S. BTW - was this used G-string he bought? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2001 3:33 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 > > In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment > through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered > dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to > verified accounts. See their web site. > > Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the > seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky > person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one > respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... > > -- Ron >> > > Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that > discussion... > (LOL) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Thu Jul 19 05:59:22 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:59:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: <002001c10624$dfea0610$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> Message-ID: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, and where are they available from? TIA Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jul 19 07:55:00 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:55:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> Message-ID: <3B567633.5243E790@snet.net> The bigger issue is the fact that the capstan motor ends up running until you wake up and power down the deck. They tend to run for ever, but why test it. Ed Jason Antony wrote: > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > > has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, > and where are they available from? > > TIA > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 08:11:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:11:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> Message-ID: <05d801c11019$adbf3260$483442cf@sank1> It's a perfectly ordinary miniature pigtail lamp, 12v/70mA, available from virtually any electronics parts supplier. I hate that lamp. Glares in your eyes whenever you have the door off & play engaged to clean the pinch rollers. I always have to cover the damn thing when I clean LX decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > > has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, > and where are they available from? > > TIA > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Thu Jul 19 08:13:36 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:13:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] In-Reply-To: <3B567633.5243E790@snet.net> Message-ID: <3B57072F.23000.7FD657@localhost> > The bigger issue is the fact that the capstan motor ends up running > until you wake up and power down the deck. They tend to run for ever, > but why test it. bear in mind though, that i never doze off, leaving it running. One case for insomnia, yay! :-) Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jul 19 08:20:26 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:20:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 Message-ID: My concern was that if the CR5 was not in decent condition, per the lack of photographs, was it perhaps in indecent condition? Cheers, Marc >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 07/18/01 10:32PM >>> In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:08:40 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Sam, one more thing... If he is willing to accept payment through a PayPal *verified* account, your risks are lowered dramatically. PayPal warrants specific risks with regard to verified accounts. See their web site. Winnie Pooh, I fail to see a direct connection between the seller's G string and his CR-5... I know an eminently kinky person I would trust with anything. I also know at least one respectable banker I wouldn't trust with a dollar bill... -- Ron >> Thanks Ron! I'll check out PayPal...re: the G-string, I'll stay out of that discussion... (LOL) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Jul 19 10:26:14 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:26:14 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 Message-ID: Hi dear fellow Nakkers! Will be greately thankfull for person who would make a big favor for me - I need several pages from service manual for Nak 581. Especialy schematics and adjustment pages. Finaly decided to add monitor switch and maybe also add full four channel dbx system instead of Dolby B. Please forgive my short memory - which op-amps will be the best replacement for older 48xx used in 581? Thanks a lot! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 19 10:00:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:00:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: Message-ID: <064601c11028$dc0780a0$483442cf@sank1> Misha, you are insane. OP275 is best recommendation, for any part of the audio path in the 581, as far as a 45xx/TL072 dual opamp replacement. Don't have a 581 manual, I'm afraid. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 > Hi dear fellow Nakkers! > > Will be greately thankfull for person who would make a > big favor for me - I need several pages from service > manual for Nak 581. Especialy schematics and adjustment > pages. > Finaly decided to add monitor switch and maybe also add > full four channel dbx system instead of Dolby B. > > Please forgive my short memory - which op-amps will be the best > replacement for older 48xx used in 581? > > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Jul 19 11:09:46 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:09:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: <064601c11028$dc0780a0$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Thanks, I knew it ;-))) Just happened to have one dbx unit around and have no real use for it - so, why not to try to install it inside? I realy love the sounds of 581, and I love calibration, and of course - I love the look! Plus I don't think I will use dolby B in this unit - I prefer sounds of 1000II with discrete Dolby B for prerecordered tapes :) Why not to try? Or it just too hot around and makes my brains melt down? ;-))) Thanks a lot! Misha >Misha, you are insane. >OP275 is best recommendation, for any part of the audio path in the 581, as >far as a 45xx/TL072 dual opamp replacement. >Don't have a 581 manual, I'm afraid. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Thu Jul 19 14:32:29 2001 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:32:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... References: <04df01c10fee$0bfc4600$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B56D35B.91B4451B@sprintmail.com> If you check further, you will find that he has recently purchased a complete set of "G" strings for his guitar VideoVern Stephen Sank wrote: > Hey, give the guy a break. Maybe it was an incomplete set of guitar > strings. He only needed a G string, so that's what he bought. He's not > necessarily a weirdo, although buying one guitar string would still be > pretty damn weird. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jul 19 15:00:42 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:00:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... References: <04df01c10fee$0bfc4600$483442cf@sank1> <3B56D35B.91B4451B@sprintmail.com> Message-ID: <00f801c11052$d139bfb0$63756acf@johnrotten> So he wasn't just hanging out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern Hanson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sam ... your CR5 and the G-String ... > If you check further, you will find that he has recently purchased a complete set of > "G" strings for his guitar > > VideoVern > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Hey, give the guy a break. Maybe it was an incomplete set of guitar > > strings. He only needed a G string, so that's what he bought. He's not > > necessarily a weirdo, although buying one guitar string would still be > > pretty damn weird. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jul 19 16:17:32 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:17:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> Message-ID: <3B56EBFC.669AD972@concentric.net> I bought my CR-7 with this bulb burned out. Took me some time to realize there was supposed to be lighting behind the cassette... I hate to have non-functional anything, so decided to replace it, just for the sake of 'completeness'. The bulb is really tiny. Couldn't find anything as small (the closest was an electrically matching bulb for $1.85, but still, somewhat larger and the greenish cap didn't fit over it. Wound up ordering it from Nakamichi in CA. Cost $13.12 (about half was S/H), including the green cap. Replacing the bulb is a pain. The long leads are soldered in place and you have to remove both the top cover and the front mechanism cover. Took me almost an hour. I soldered a diode in series to reduce voltage by about 5%. This (very slightly) reduces light output but just about doubles bulb life. -- Ron Jason Antony wrote: > > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > > has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, > and where are they available from? > > TIA > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 19 17:27:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:27:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> <3B56EBFC.669AD972@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002001c11067$69315080$46289bca@smarzuki> Ron, are you sure this is for your CR ?? Newer decks use behind cassette tiny lighting 'plate' as opposed to larger LX or 68x 'front' 12v bulbs which is quite easy to find / replace (still have to remove frontplate though). I also hate dragon's glare when trying to look at the head . What would fit behind BX lightless interior ? wide led ? anybody installed one yet ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > I bought my CR-7 with this bulb burned out. Took me > some time to realize there was supposed to be lighting > behind the cassette... I hate to have non-functional > anything, so decided to replace it, just for the sake > of 'completeness'. > > The bulb is really tiny. Couldn't find anything as > small (the closest was an electrically matching bulb > for $1.85, but still, somewhat larger and the greenish > cap didn't fit over it. Wound up ordering it from > Nakamichi in CA. Cost $13.12 (about half was S/H), > including the green cap. > > Replacing the bulb is a pain. The long leads are > soldered in place and you have to remove both the top > cover and the front mechanism cover. Took me almost an > hour. I soldered a diode in series to reduce voltage by > about 5%. This (very slightly) reduces light output but > just about doubles bulb life. > > -- Ron > > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > > > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > > > > has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, > > and where are they available from? > > > > TIA > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 19 18:16:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:16:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> <003101c10faf$b3f732a0$59289bca@smarzuki> <3B55D353.5559385C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005401c1106e$524b5440$46289bca@smarzuki> Jim, I'd be using such software to 'tweak' diy passive crossover in my room. Right now all I have is this lowly soundblaster connected to akai gxc 325d deck (mic preamp) and an aging soundcraftsmen mic from its eq / analyzer. I used sweep tones with pc rta ... family had gone crazy and threatened me. :-( I heard that mlssa shortened testing period significantly and doesn't need sweeps - but require digital in /out on pc card. What soundcard do you use with the program ? I'll try ELF demo program this weekend. Also thanks to Scott for RTA links, will try that one, and Sam ... you're heavy ! What are those tools for ? Virtual studio ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." > Salim, > > Just keep in mind that the software is designed primarily for room > acoustic analysis and speaker placement. You right though, the price was > very reasonable. > > Good luck! > > Jim > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Thanks much !! I did a lousy job on web search ... quite reasonable price > > for such software. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." > > > > > > > > Hi Salim, > > > > > > Try this link: > > > > > > http://www.etfacoustic.com/download.html > > > > > > I purchased the full software version, along with mic preamp and > > > calibration mic about six months ago. I'm quite happy with it. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Happy Listening (or should I say, measuring?) > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 19 19:12:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:12:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ETF sotware References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> <003101c10faf$b3f732a0$59289bca@smarzuki> <3B55D353.5559385C@earthlink.net> <005401c1106e$524b5440$46289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B5714F1.382903D0@earthlink.net> Salim, The ETF software uses 7 seconds of what sounds like pink noise for all of it's measurements. It offers impulse response, time/energy/friequency, phase response, frequency response charts and more. It's a very powerful piece of software and doesn't use any of those annoying sweeps. The system is designed so that you can use ANY quality (even the poorest) stereo sound card that has ANALOG ins and outs. Your Soundblaster card should do fine. Most of your questions will be answered by spending some time at the ETF website. Let know if you have any other questions. Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Jim, I'd be using such software to 'tweak' diy passive crossover in my room. > Right now all I have is this lowly soundblaster connected to akai gxc 325d > deck (mic preamp) and an aging soundcraftsmen mic from its eq / analyzer. > > I used sweep tones with pc rta ... family had gone crazy and threatened me. > :-( I heard that mlssa shortened testing period significantly and doesn't > need sweeps - but require digital in /out on pc card. What soundcard do you > use with the program ? I'll try ELF demo program this weekend. > > Also thanks to Scott for RTA links, will try that one, and Sam ... you're > heavy ! What are those tools for ? Virtual studio ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jul 19 19:57:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:57:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> <3B56EBFC.669AD972@concentric.net> <002001c11067$69315080$46289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B571F8D.AE284951@concentric.net> Yep, the CR-7 has a real bulb. No, it was not available in any electronics parts store in the area -- I went to several. The one I got looked OK at the store, but turned out to be too big when I tried to put the green cap on it (it was like trying to fit a condom on a lamp post :-) ). The Nak original bulb has fairly long leads that go through and behind the transport front plate and pick up the 12V off the motor board. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, are you sure this is for your CR ?? Newer decks use behind cassette > tiny lighting 'plate' as opposed to larger LX or 68x 'front' 12v bulbs > which is quite easy to find / replace (still have to remove frontplate > though). I also hate dragon's glare when trying to look at the head . > > What would fit behind BX lightless interior ? wide led ? anybody installed > one yet ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX series [was: CR7] > > > > > I bought my CR-7 with this bulb burned out. Took me > > some time to realize there was supposed to be lighting > > behind the cassette... I hate to have non-functional > > anything, so decided to replace it, just for the sake > > of 'completeness'. > > > > The bulb is really tiny. Couldn't find anything as > > small (the closest was an electrically matching bulb > > for $1.85, but still, somewhat larger and the greenish > > cap didn't fit over it. Wound up ordering it from > > Nakamichi in CA. Cost $13.12 (about half was S/H), > > including the green cap. > > > > Replacing the bulb is a pain. The long leads are > > soldered in place and you have to remove both the top > > cover and the front mechanism cover. Took me almost an > > hour. I soldered a diode in series to reduce voltage by > > about 5%. This (very slightly) reduces light output but > > just about doubles bulb life. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > > > > > The casette part has ilumination with a glassbulb lamp so turn it > > > > off before you sleep for longer life ;-) > > > > > > has anyone had this lamp go dead on them yet? How much do they cost, > > > and where are they available from? > > > > > > TIA > > > Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jul 19 20:12:17 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:12:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi NR-100 References: <006f01c10ff7$dc16b920$e502efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <00ba01c1107e$5a46d600$07031fac@brianm> Hi Kevin, Congrats on your new 1000zxl. Was it mint as advertised? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi NR-100 Hi All. Just got a Nakamichi 1000ZXL. Now I'm looking for the NR-100 Dolby C adaptor. If anyone has one to sell or trade or knows where one is, please contact me. Thanks Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 19 20:27:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:27:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ETF sotware References: <000901c10f7d$160a7fc0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B55C3C6.DD52C0A4@earthlink.net> <003101c10faf$b3f732a0$59289bca@smarzuki> <3B55D353.5559385C@earthlink.net> <005401c1106e$524b5440$46289bca@smarzuki> <3B5714F1.382903D0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001001c11080$7214ab20$44289bca@smarzuki> Jim, sounds perfect ! Thanks for your info, will let you know how things goes. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] ETF sotware > Salim, > > The ETF software uses 7 seconds of what sounds like pink noise for all > of it's measurements. It offers impulse response, > time/energy/friequency, phase response, frequency response charts and > more. It's a very powerful piece of software and doesn't use any of > those annoying sweeps. The system is designed so that you can use ANY > quality (even the poorest) stereo sound card that has ANALOG ins and > outs. Your Soundblaster card should do fine. Most of your questions will > be answered by spending some time at the ETF website. > > Let know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Jim, I'd be using such software to 'tweak' diy passive crossover in my room. > > Right now all I have is this lowly soundblaster connected to akai gxc 325d > > deck (mic preamp) and an aging soundcraftsmen mic from its eq / analyzer. > > > > I used sweep tones with pc rta ... family had gone crazy and threatened me. > > :-( I heard that mlssa shortened testing period significantly and doesn't > > need sweeps - but require digital in /out on pc card. What soundcard do you > > use with the program ? I'll try ELF demo program this weekend. > > > > Also thanks to Scott for RTA links, will try that one, and Sam ... you're > > heavy ! What are those tools for ? Virtual studio ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 19 20:46:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:46:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] More questionable humor... References: <3B56E7BD.18439.4FD42@localhost> <3B56EBFC.669AD972@concentric.net> <002001c11067$69315080$46289bca@smarzuki> <3B571F8D.AE284951@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B572B15.F5DCB5A3@earthlink.net> Fitting a condom over a lamp post?? I know the feeling! ooops! Did I just say that? Sorry, but I couldn't resist... LOL Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Yep, the CR-7 has a real bulb. No, it was not available > in any electronics parts store in the area -- I went to > several. The one I got looked OK at the store, but > turned out to be too big when I tried to put the green > cap on it (it was like trying to fit a condom on a lamp > post :-) ). The Nak original bulb has fairly long > leads that go through and behind the transport front > plate and pick up the 12V off the motor board. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From LOPNOLA at aol.com Thu Jul 19 21:26:27 2001 From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:26:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR series decks??? Message-ID: <46.17c5dade.28888e63@aol.com> Erie, Try Digibid. I picked up a really nice one a few months ago for $ 115. Larry P ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 20 04:05:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:05:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] http://stephensank.com Message-ID: <00cb01c110c0$7e0979c0$073442cf@sank1> I've now made it easier to find me on the web. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 20 04:22:43 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:22:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] http://stephensank.com References: <00cb01c110c0$7e0979c0$073442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c110c2$dc5f0880$42289bca@smarzuki> Congratulations !! One small thing left ... stephen at sank.com .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] http://stephensank.com > I've now made it easier to find me on the web. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 08:07:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:07:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." Message-ID: In a message dated 7/19/2001 11:26:52 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Also thanks to Scott for RTA links, will try that one, and Sam ... you're heavy ! What are those tools for ? Virtual studio ? Best regards, Salim SM >> Hey Salim! Thank you for the kind words but I'm just a beginner. CuBase and ProTools are professional PC-based studio suites used in many of today's recording environments. The advantages of a PC- or computer-based system are lower costs and lack of dependency for racks of equipment. Although I don't have the statistics, I would venture to guess that ProTools is becoming the new "standard." There are several other packages that are popular (e.g. SoundForge's XP and CakeWalk come to mind) but CuBase and ProTools are used for everything ranging from recording live in the studio, mixing and mastering, and interestingly video production for commercials, broadcast and film. Since I'm a novice in this arena, I'd like to ask Carlos and Mark (I believe) who work in studios their opinions regarding the "digital domain" and how we are going to great pains to recreate the analog experience... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 08:09:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:09:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ETF sotware Message-ID: In a message dated 7/19/2001 12:15:51 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Salim, The ETF software uses 7 seconds of what sounds like pink noise for all of it's measurements. It offers impulse response, time/energy/friequency, phase response, frequency response charts and more. It's a very powerful piece of software and doesn't use any of those annoying sweeps. The system is designed so that you can use ANY quality (even the poorest) stereo sound card that has ANALOG ins and outs. Your Soundblaster card should do fine. Most of your questions will be answered by spending some time at the ETF website. Let know if you have any other questions. Jim Volpatti >> I don't know Salim - this stuff looks and sounds deep! (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 08:36:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:36:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password Message-ID: Hi! Unfortunately, I can't locate the last email with the new login and password to Wouter's ftp site. Does anyone still have them? I'm looking for a CR-7/CR-5 brochure and I thought there was one posted... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jul 20 09:30:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:30:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password References: Message-ID: <3B57DE30.FA878B8@earthlink.net> What is this site that I'm reading about lately? Who is Wouter and what information does he have at his website? Thanks, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi! > > Unfortunately, I can't locate the last email with the new login and password > to Wouter's ftp site. Does anyone still have them? I'm looking for a > CR-7/CR-5 brochure and I thought there was one posted... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Really quite a nice guy. I've spoken to Stephen and he doesn't think it is much, just grease hardening etc through non use. We'll see. Now, if only I can find an NR-100... Kevin Hi Kevin, Congrats on your new 1000zxl. Was it mint as advertised? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nakamichi NR-100 Hi All. Just got a Nakamichi 1000ZXL. Now I'm looking for the NR-100 Dolby C adaptor. If anyone has one to sell or trade or knows where one is, please contact me. Thanks Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 20 09:55:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:55:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password References: <3B57DE30.FA878B8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <018d01c110f1$5d720200$073442cf@sank1> http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > What is this site that I'm reading about lately? Who is Wouter and what > information does he have at his website? > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > Unfortunately, I can't locate the last email with the new login and password > > to Wouter's ftp site. Does anyone still have them? I'm looking for a > > CR-7/CR-5 brochure and I thought there was one posted... > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 10:04:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:04:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2001 2:55:10 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" >> Thanks Stephen! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 11:03:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:03:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BTW - Denon Message-ID: Hi Stephen, The deck should arrive tomorrow, FedEx ground came at 5:45pm and I was gone. BTW - my Denon doesn't work at all now. As soon as I placed it back in the rack it started with the static worse than ever. And, no matter how I tapped it, it doesn't stop. I hate pulling back out as it's a job, but I will have to as it's the best of my two CD players. Any additional advise as to where to look once I take it apart? And, will I have to desolder the board to get to the grounding plug? I think it's just a cold solder to that grd 4 plug. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 20 11:34:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:34:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BTW - Denon References: Message-ID: <01c201c110ff$2ff254c0$073442cf@sank1> It's been a bit too long since I've worked on that model Denon player to tell you anything more specific than I have already. Don't have ready access to the manuals for it anymore, either. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] BTW - Denon > Hi Stephen, > > The deck should arrive tomorrow, FedEx ground came at 5:45pm and I was gone. > BTW - my Denon doesn't work at all now. As soon as I placed it back in the > rack it started with the static worse than ever. And, no matter how I tapped > it, it doesn't stop. I hate pulling back out as it's a job, but I will have > to as it's the best of my two CD players. Any additional advise as to where > to look once I take it apart? And, will I have to desolder the board to get > to the grounding plug? I think it's just a cold solder to that grd 4 plug. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Jul 20 13:10:09 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:10:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password References: <3B57DE30.FA878B8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004301c1110c$8a0afc20$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > What is this site that I'm reading about lately? Who is Wouter and what > information does he have at his website? Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real Naks freaks some years ago. You'll find all models and more about the best cassettedecks ever made. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Jul 20 13:32:20 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:02:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password Message-ID: <20010720113220.794291149F0@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 16:24:51 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:24:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." References: Message-ID: As I see there is some knowlegable people on the studio work & computer, I wish someone can answer me about Mac & PC compatibility... I have done a lot of materials on StudioVision (MIDI + audio) about >2 years (Mac based), when I was in an electroacoustic music classe. I don't have a Mac at home, and as none of these material is really finished and like I deeply want to complete them, (and to continue to do musics this way) Is there any possibility to use Mac home studio softwares on PC ? thinking about emulators, I dont know if the emulators are able to recognize/adapt PC sound cards proprieties to the Mac soft...? Any suggestions ??? Thank you very much Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." > In a message dated 7/19/2001 11:26:52 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Also thanks to Scott for RTA links, will try that one, and Sam ... you're > heavy ! What are those tools for ? Virtual studio ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > > Hey Salim! > > Thank you for the kind words but I'm just a beginner. CuBase and ProTools > are professional PC-based studio suites used in many of today's recording > environments. The advantages of a PC- or computer-based system are lower > costs and lack of dependency for racks of equipment. > > Although I don't have the statistics, I would venture to guess that ProTools > is becoming the new "standard." There are several other packages that are > popular (e.g. SoundForge's XP and CakeWalk come to mind) but CuBase and > ProTools are used for everything ranging from recording live in the studio, > mixing and mastering, and interestingly video production for commercials, > broadcast and film. > > Since I'm a novice in this arena, I'd like to ask Carlos and Mark (I believe) > who work in studios their opinions regarding the "digital domain" and how we > are going to great pains to recreate the analog experience... > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 20 17:34:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:34:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password References: Message-ID: <006c01c11131$83bdac80$4d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, I think the CR brochures are from mister Scott Johnson's collection : http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > Hi! > > Unfortunately, I can't locate the last email with the new login and password > to Wouter's ftp site. Does anyone still have them? I'm looking for a > CR-7/CR-5 brochure and I thought there was one posted... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 20 17:55:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:55:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password References: <20010720113220.794291149F0@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <006d01c11134$616eafa0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Maybe Jim was admitted pre-moderator days ... but then again Wouter *is* www.naks.com, the site which changed my life - at least my room & wallet - for the past year. Also Stephen's responsible for hammering that "all naks will live forever" belief ... :-) BTW Stephen, Cassette Deck 1's motor finally gave up the ghost yesterday, replaced with 'generic' Sankyo motor and works like new. Naktalkers ... fyi I bought this spare motor (locally) because this Mr. Sank predicted that it will fail in short time ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > Jim > How did you get admitted to this news group - which is administered by Wouter / and he admits new people as a moderator. Ofcourse he does not participate much - excepting sometime particularly we talk of 1000ZXL or 700ZXL. > > Hey Wouter > there are plenty of Nak brochures up in ebay ( courtesy our Scott Jhon!) I thought you might bid onthem? > Kannan > ----Original Message----- > From: Maurits > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > > > >> > >> What is this site that I'm reading about lately? Who is Wouter and > >what > >> information does he have at his website? > > > > > >Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real Naks freaks some years > >ago. You'll find all models and more about the best cassettedecks > >ever made. > > > > > > > >Maurits > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 22:41:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:41:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ftp site login and password Message-ID: <65.1775a341.2889f15f@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/2001 10:44:11 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Sam, I think the CR brochures are from mister Scott Johnson's collection : http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html Best regards, Salim SM >> Hi Salim, as always my friend THANK YOU! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 23:31:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:31:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] time for another "hellooooo ..." Message-ID: <109.2ded711.2889fd3f@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/2001 9:33:57 AM Central Daylight Time, Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: << As I see there is some knowlegable people on the studio work & computer, I wish someone can answer me about Mac & PC compatibility... I have done a lot of materials on StudioVision (MIDI + audio) about >2 years (Mac based), when I was in an electroacoustic music classe. I don't have a Mac at home, and as none of these material is really finished and like I deeply want to complete them, (and to continue to do musics this way) Is there any possibility to use Mac home studio softwares on PC ? thinking about emulators, I dont know if the emulators are able to recognize/adapt PC sound cards proprieties to the Mac soft...? Any suggestions ??? Thank you very much Matyas >> Hi Matyas, Just a thought - I would first focus on the file types that you have been using. What file extension or type of file did you save your work as? Most of today's music editing and studio suites read a variety of files types, so moving from one platform to another shouldn't be a problem. For example, midi information is always midi information, and Windows standard audio file format is pcm wave - .wav; whereas Mac standard audio file format is Aiff or .aif. Now, most studio editing programs create their very own and unique "session" or file types during editing. Depending on the program you used, that may be the only area that could potentially cause any problems. Even if this is the case, I'm sure you can either convert, import or export into various file types. Although I've never tried this, I have a Mac-PC conversion program called "Conversion Plus" that I've used in the past for special MAC files sent to me from my vendors. You can check out their website at www.dataviz.com. And, if you want you can always send one of those music files to me as I'm on a PC and I'll play with it and let you know what turns up. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 00:42:01 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi brochures and owners manuals In-Reply-To: <20010720113220.794291149F0@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20010720224201.13046.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Since my collection of Nakamichi brochures and owner's manuals are taking up space I have decided to sell them. Many of you have seen them on eBay already. A while ago I created a web site for all of the brochures (and one owner's manual, CR1, I think.) All the images on the web site are 150 dpi, but, if you want I I can email you the high res, 300dpi, version. My web site is http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html for those of you who didn't bookmark it last time I posted it on Naktalk. Come visit and if you really want an original most of them are available on eBay, with the exception on an original ZX-9 owner's manual. Someday I hope to reunite this manual with a deck :-) Scottjoh --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Jim > How did you get admitted to this news group - which > is administered by Wouter / and he admits new people > as a moderator. Ofcourse he does not participate > much - excepting sometime particularly we talk of > 1000ZXL or 700ZXL. > > Hey Wouter > there are plenty of Nak brochures up in ebay ( > courtesy our Scott Jhon!) I thought you might bid > onthem? > Kannan > ----Original Message----- > From: Maurits > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > > > >> > >> What is this site that I'm reading about lately? > Who is Wouter and > >what > >> information does he have at his website? > > > > > >Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real Naks > freaks some years > >ago. You'll find all models and more about the best > cassettedecks > >ever made. > > > > > > > >Maurits > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 21 01:57:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:57:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi brochures and owners manuals References: <20010720224201.13046.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B58C57A.9D2DEF2E@concentric.net> Scott, I will be grateful for the CR-7 brochure in 300dpi, either in email, or tell me where I can download it from. TIA, -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Since my collection of Nakamichi brochures and owner's > manuals are taking up space I have decided to sell > them. Many of you have seen them on eBay already. A > while ago I created a web site for all of the > brochures (and one owner's manual, CR1, I think.) All > the images on the web site are 150 dpi, but, if you > want I I can email you the high res, 300dpi, version. > > My web site is > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html > for those of you who didn't bookmark it last time I > posted it on Naktalk. > > Come visit and if you really want an original most of > them are available on eBay, with the exception on an > original ZX-9 owner's manual. Someday I hope to > reunite this manual with a deck :-) > > Scottjoh > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Jim > > How did you get admitted to this news group - which > > is administered by Wouter / and he admits new people > > as a moderator. Ofcourse he does not participate > > much - excepting sometime particularly we talk of > > 1000ZXL or 700ZXL. > > > > Hey Wouter > > there are plenty of Nak brochures up in ebay ( > > courtesy our Scott Jhon!) I thought you might bid > > onthem? > > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > > From: Maurits > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and password > > > > > > > > >> > > >> What is this site that I'm reading about lately? > > Who is Wouter and > > >what > > >> information does he have at his website? > > > > > > > > >Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real Naks > > freaks some years > > >ago. You'll find all models and more about the best > > cassettedecks > > >ever made. > > > > > > > > > > > >Maurits > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 23:15:54 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi brochures and owners manuals In-Reply-To: <3B58C57A.9D2DEF2E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010722211554.14400.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> I left the CD with all the files at work. I'll sent it to you on Monday. SJ --- Ron wrote: > Scott, > > I will be grateful for the CR-7 brochure in 300dpi, > either > in email, or tell me where I can download it from. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > Since my collection of Nakamichi brochures and > owner's > > manuals are taking up space I have decided to sell > > them. Many of you have seen them on eBay already. > A > > while ago I created a web site for all of the > > brochures (and one owner's manual, CR1, I think.) > All > > the images on the web site are 150 dpi, but, if > you > > want I I can email you the high res, 300dpi, > version. > > > > My web site is > > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html > > for those of you who didn't bookmark it last time > I > > posted it on Naktalk. > > > > Come visit and if you really want an original most > of > > them are available on eBay, with the exception on > an > > original ZX-9 owner's manual. Someday I hope to > > reunite this manual with a deck :-) > > > > Scottjoh > > > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > Jim > > > How did you get admitted to this news group - > which > > > is administered by Wouter / and he admits new > people > > > as a moderator. Ofcourse he does not participate > > > much - excepting sometime particularly we talk > of > > > 1000ZXL or 700ZXL. > > > > > > Hey Wouter > > > there are plenty of Nak brochures up in ebay ( > > > courtesy our Scott Jhon!) I thought you might > bid > > > onthem? > > > Kannan > > > ----Original Message----- > > > From: Maurits > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and > password > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and > password > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> What is this site that I'm reading about > lately? > > > Who is Wouter and > > > >what > > > >> information does he have at his website? > > > > > > > > > > > >Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real > Naks > > > freaks some years > > > >ago. You'll find all models and more about the > best > > > cassettedecks > > > >ever made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Maurits > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jul 23 12:23:08 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:23:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL owners manual online Message-ID: <3B5BFB0C.68BC13B8@xs4all.nl> It is now online: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/international/ Thanks to Stephen Sank himself! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Jul 23 14:18:17 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:18:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3F6@CPT-01> Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should i send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? regards neal ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jul 23 15:21:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:21:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi brochures and owners manuals References: <20010722211554.14400.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B5C24CF.CA5C5754@concentric.net> Thanks, I'll be looking forward to it. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > > I left the CD with all the files at work. I'll sent > it to you on Monday. > > SJ > --- Ron wrote: > > Scott, > > > > I will be grateful for the CR-7 brochure in 300dpi, > > either > > in email, or tell me where I can download it from. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Since my collection of Nakamichi brochures and > > owner's > > > manuals are taking up space I have decided to sell > > > them. Many of you have seen them on eBay already. > > A > > > while ago I created a web site for all of the > > > brochures (and one owner's manual, CR1, I think.) > > All > > > the images on the web site are 150 dpi, but, if > > you > > > want I I can email you the high res, 300dpi, > > version. > > > > > > My web site is > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/index.html > > > for those of you who didn't bookmark it last time > > I > > > posted it on Naktalk. > > > > > > Come visit and if you really want an original most > > of > > > them are available on eBay, with the exception on > > an > > > original ZX-9 owner's manual. Someday I hope to > > > reunite this manual with a deck :-) > > > > > > Scottjoh > > > > > > --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > How did you get admitted to this news group - > > which > > > > is administered by Wouter / and he admits new > > people > > > > as a moderator. Ofcourse he does not participate > > > > much - excepting sometime particularly we talk > > of > > > > 1000ZXL or 700ZXL. > > > > > > > > Hey Wouter > > > > there are plenty of Nak brochures up in ebay ( > > > > courtesy our Scott Jhon!) I thought you might > > bid > > > > onthem? > > > > Kannan > > > > ----Original Message----- > > > > From: Maurits > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and > > password > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:30 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ftp site login and > > password > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> What is this site that I'm reading about > > lately? > > > > Who is Wouter and > > > > >what > > > > >> information does he have at his website? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Wouter started http://www.naks.com/ for real > > Naks > > > > freaks some years > > > > >ago. You'll find all models and more about the > > best > > > > cassettedecks > > > > >ever made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 23 19:44:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:44:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3F6@CPT-01> Message-ID: <001201c1139f$277cc260$1d3442cf@sank1> I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech replace all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different 100volt polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad power supply regulator. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should i > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > regards > neal > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Jul 24 08:54:28 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:54:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3FC@CPT-01> i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts about this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech replace all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different 100volt polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad power supply regulator. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should i > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > regards > neal > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 24 08:56:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:56:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7a Message-ID: I just wanted to publicly thank Stephen Sank for his help and assistance with my CR-7a. After a much anticipated and long delay, I finally have my very own CR-7. This particular deck had a bias drift problem that Stephen repaired as part of the deck's warranty from his previous upgrades and I have to admit that it sounds very, very sweet. Thank you Stephen for your help and assistance with my deck. Now on to a pristine Dragon! -SamTheMan! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 24 09:00:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:00:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7a continued... Message-ID: <37.1852941d.288e771c@aol.com> I also want to publicly thank Jeffrey Galin for his help and assistance with my CR-7. I was in need of a new faceplate for my deck and was unable to locate one as one Nakamichi representative told me "...we no longer are able to locate those cosmetic parts..." Nonetheless, Jeffrey found one for me and had it delivered to me within two weeks. Thank you Jeff for all of your help in making my CR-7 look brand new! I really appreciate it! -SamTheMan! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 24 09:47:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:47:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3FC@CPT-01> Message-ID: <005501c11414$f0f56500$413442cf@sank1> A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip or orange caps. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts about > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech replace > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different 100volt > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > power supply regulator. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should i > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > regards > > neal > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Jul 24 11:10:36 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:10:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3FD@CPT-01> well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check whether the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip or orange caps. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts about > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech replace > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different 100volt > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > power supply regulator. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should i > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > regards > > neal > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 24 13:48:47 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:18:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones Message-ID: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 24 13:53:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:23:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7a Message-ID: <20010724115354.CE4321150F2@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 14:54:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:54:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000601c1143f$b74c2340$4e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, Heard that Grado is really hard to beat for the price ... SR80 is $95 brand new. If you're into prolonged headphone listening then you might want to consider supra aural (whatever) which pad covers entire ear / surround for comfy listening. I use old (& large) sennheiser, weak on bass but good detail / balance. Also old Koss (excellent bass) but pad rests on ear ... not good after half an hour. Ever browsed http://www.headphone.com ? Many selections at $100 price range. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 headphones - how good or how bad? > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom of this group on good headphones - price range of 100US$ > Kannan > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 15:19:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:19:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <000601c1143f$b74c2340$4e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c11443$466e90a0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Correction, got it backwards : circumaural is the comfy one, supraaural is the smaller one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > Hi Kannan, > > Heard that Grado is really hard to beat for the price ... SR80 is $95 brand > new. If you're into prolonged headphone listening then you might want to > consider supra aural (whatever) which pad covers entire ear / surround for > comfy listening. I use old (& large) sennheiser, weak on bass but good > detail / balance. Also old Koss (excellent bass) but pad rests on ear ... > not good after half an hour. > > Ever browsed http://www.headphone.com ? Many selections at $100 price > range. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:48 PM > Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 headphones - how good or how bad? > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom of this group on good > headphones - price range of 100US$ > > Kannan > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jul 24 15:48:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:48:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B5D7CBE.FBE305C7@concentric.net> I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years ago, for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, they beat everything else I listened to, up to several hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to wear and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe a tad bloated, but still, good). I believe they still make the same model number, but don't know the price or whether it's the same phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to them, you may like them. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 headphones - how good or how bad? > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom of this group on good headphones - price range of 100US$ > Kannan > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jul 24 16:25:19 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:25:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B5D7CBE.FBE305C7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <010501c1144c$78097400$61756acf@johnrotten> Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very hard to beat. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years ago, > for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, they > beat everything else I listened to, up to several > hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to wear > and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. > Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe a > tad bloated, but still, good). > > I believe they still make the same model number, > but don't know the price or whether it's the same > phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to > them, you may like them. > > -- Ron > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 headphones - how good or how bad? > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom of this group on good headphones - price range of 100US$ > > Kannan > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 17:21:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:21:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B5D7CBE.FBE305C7@concentric.net> <010501c1144c$78097400$61756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001501c11454$4b4b02a0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Completely agree ... despite my limited experience with phones. Kannan, if you're going to use Sennheiser phones in tropical climate, you might as well order extra replacement foam though. Found a clearance sale HD230 locally - with rotten foam - and got new pair direct from www.sennheiserusa.com. Stupid look but excellent sound for the money. Cheers, Salim SM PS: The Headroom's site is www.headphone.com without 's'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very hard to beat. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 17:33:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:33:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <000601c1143f$b74c2340$4e289bca@smarzuki> <000401c11443$466e90a0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002601c11456$00f84c60$5a289bca@smarzuki> Sorrrry ... just one last time. Interesting site to start building your own class A headphone amp .... : www.headwize.com plus abundance of phones info / news. There. :-) SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 24 18:20:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:20:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D3FD@CPT-01> Message-ID: <000c01c1145c$9f02eb80$063442cf@sank1> You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check whether > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip or > orange caps. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts about > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > replace > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > 100volt > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > > power supply regulator. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should > i > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > regards > > > neal > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 24 18:25:22 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:25:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002601c1145d$3da93d20$063442cf@sank1> Boy, you guys have short memories. Have you forgotten already that I've said on a number of occassions that the SP-7's are my personal favorite dynamic headphones in the world? I think they kick the crap out of Sennheiser & Grado & etc. Plus, they're comfortable as hell. And, if you like LOUD like I do, they can play seriously loud without losing any quality of sound. Fortunately, I have since re-acquired the two pairs I was looking for, so I am no longer hunting for them myself. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 headphones - how good or how bad? > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom of this group on good headphones - price range of 100US$ > Kannan > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jul 24 18:48:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:48:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <000601c1143f$b74c2340$4e289bca@smarzuki> <000401c11443$466e90a0$5a289bca@smarzuki> <002601c11456$00f84c60$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B5DA6C7.2604B4D@concentric.net> If anyone here is into building a headphone amp, do take a look at: http://www.gmweb.btinternet.co.uk/jlhphones.htm -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Sorrrry ... just one last time. Interesting site to start building your own > class A headphone amp .... : www.headwize.com plus abundance of phones info > / news. There. :-) > > SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 18:52:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:52:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <002601c1145d$3da93d20$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004f01c11461$04468c00$5a289bca@smarzuki> So I'm almost "full cycle" here ... :-) My first SP7 'experience' ... and there's one on ebay ! (just kidding Kannan) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > Boy, you guys have short memories. Have you forgotten already that I've > said on a number of occassions that the SP-7's are my personal favorite > dynamic headphones in the world? I think they kick the crap out of > Sennheiser & Grado & etc. Plus, they're comfortable as hell. And, if you > like LOUD like I do, they can play seriously loud without losing any quality > of sound. > Fortunately, I have since re-acquired the two pairs I was looking for, so I > am no longer hunting for them myself. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 24 18:57:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:57:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724114847.89F0B1150A3@webmail.vsnl.com> <000601c1143f$b74c2340$4e289bca@smarzuki> <000401c11443$466e90a0$5a289bca@smarzuki> <002601c11456$00f84c60$5a289bca@smarzuki> <3B5DA6C7.2604B4D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005401c11461$be195900$5a289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Ron ! This 600 ohm headphones needs a lot of 'yuice'. Maybe I built a crappy one because old Nak's (680's) relatively simple amp can do the job well. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > If anyone here is into building a headphone amp, do > take a look at: > > http://www.gmweb.btinternet.co.uk/jlhphones.htm > > -- Ron > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 24 21:05:28 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones In-Reply-To: <010501c1144c$78097400$61756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <20010724190528.19745.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> When I borrowed a friends Sennheiser HD 540 I thought they were great for the money. Nice crisp highs and smooth low. Not overly bumpy like some headphones. Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG K240's that all the studio seem to be using. I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone control that allows me to attenuate the low end and boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation than mine. This gives them better transient response and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or tube amplifiers. There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's Scott J. --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > hard to beat. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > > > I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years > ago, > > for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, > they > > beat everything else I listened to, up to several > > hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to > wear > > and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. > > Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe > a > > tad bloated, but still, good). > > > > I believe they still make the same model number, > > but don't know the price or whether it's the same > > phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to > > them, you may like them. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 > headphones - how good or how > bad? > > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom > of this group on good > headphones - price range of 100US$ > > > Kannan > > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jul 24 22:00:56 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:00:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724190528.19745.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d001c1147b$5a72cb10$61756acf@johnrotten> Are you sure it's the Senn's and not that crappy sound card? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > When I borrowed a friends Sennheiser HD 540 I thought > they were great for the money. Nice crisp highs and > smooth low. Not overly bumpy like some headphones. > Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG > K240's that all the studio seem to be using. > > I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think > they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are > virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the > HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone > control that allows me to attenuate the low end and > boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm > just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a > pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the > SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of > any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda > Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only > two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and > Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation > than mine. This gives them better transient response > and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with > the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to > provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless > you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or > one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or > tube amplifiers. > > There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 > adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. > $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) > > I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic > transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret > transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's > > Scott J. > > --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > > hard to beat. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years > > ago, > > > for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, > > they > > > beat everything else I listened to, up to several > > > hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to > > wear > > > and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. > > > Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe > > a > > > tad bloated, but still, good). > > > > > > I believe they still make the same model number, > > > but don't know the price or whether it's the same > > > phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to > > > them, you may like them. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 > > headphones - how good or how > > bad? > > > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom > > of this group on good > > headphones - price range of 100US$ > > > > Kannan > > > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 25 01:20:26 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:20:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones In-Reply-To: <01d001c1147b$5a72cb10$61756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001a01c11497$3868e420$634a7bd5@a4s1s2> Guys I'm deaf in one ear but can sort of "hear" stereo with the one that I have when I can hear the music from speakers. Probably not he same as the rest of you but I can sometimes "see" a sound stage and place instruments in it. I can't do that with headphones, obviously. Most of the time I have to use headphones in mono. However, I reckon I might be able to adjust to hear a kind of stereo if I could only get the two stereo channels coming out of one ear piece but from slightly different angles. Any ideas? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jul 25 01:32:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:32:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <001a01c11497$3868e420$634a7bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B5E0587.25432660@concentric.net> There are/were surround phones that contained two drivers in each earpiece, at different angle. More or less what you envision. If you get one of those and connect the left/right corresponding drivers in parallel, you can test out your one-ear-stereo-perception idea. Be aware that these headphones were said to fail at imparting the 4 channel aural perception. YMMV. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > I'm deaf in one ear but can sort of "hear" stereo with the one that I have > when I can hear the music from speakers. Probably not he same as the rest > of you but I can sometimes "see" a sound stage and place instruments in it. > I can't do that with headphones, obviously. Most of the time I have to use > headphones in mono. However, I reckon I might be able to adjust to hear a > kind of stereo if I could only get the two stereo channels coming out of one > ear piece but from slightly different angles. > > Any ideas? > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Wed Jul 25 01:35:14 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:35:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <001a01c11497$3868e420$634a7bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c11499$4af35f60$a39c42d8@idirect.com> Believe it or not, I used to have "quadraphonic" ('member that??) headphones in the 1970's. Each earpiece had two small drivers in it one sort of angled from the front and the other from the back. I never saw another pair like it. However, it was far from the quality I enjoy in the headphones I have now. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 25 02:03:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:03:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP7 headphones References: <20010724190528.19745.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c1149d$2d9bf0e0$45289bca@smarzuki> That's the bad part of Sennheiser, model numbers can't be used as a rough 'guidance' and for older models these HD numberings got real close to being weird. Good thing that Headroom provide ratings for different models, but on older models esp HD 4xx we're out of luck - need to be extra careful, price will give better clue. Nakkers, any opinion regarding 'simulated acoustics' circuit which somewhat blend L/R info inside our head ? I tried 'natural crossfeed' from headwize ... although the effect is nice but resolution somewhat suffers: http://headwize.com/projects/meier_prj.htm. Anybody ever tried Headroom's circuit ? Scott, you don't really use your killer Stax with PC, do you ? :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > When I borrowed a friends Sennheiser HD 540 I thought > they were great for the money. Nice crisp highs and > smooth low. Not overly bumpy like some headphones. > Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG > K240's that all the studio seem to be using. > > I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think > they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are > virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the > HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone > control that allows me to attenuate the low end and > boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm > just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a > pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the > SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of > any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda > Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only > two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and > Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation > than mine. This gives them better transient response > and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with > the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to > provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless > you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or > one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or > tube amplifiers. > > There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 > adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. > $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) > > I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic > transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret > transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's > > Scott J. > > --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > > hard to beat. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khambawati at hotmail.com Wed Jul 25 02:43:01 2001 From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:43:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sennheiser HD230 Message-ID: I have been using the Sennheiser HD230 for many years. They are perfectly adequate for domestic use. They need the earpiece covers now. It is not foam but some kind of black acrylic cloth. How much does Sennheiser USA charge for them? Debashish Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 25 02:47:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:47:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sennheiser HD230 References: Message-ID: <003d01c114a3$64211900$45289bca@smarzuki> You can contact 800-434-9190 to order, sorry my email references are buried with my hard drive. Part number is HD222-03, $15.20 + $3.50 s/h. It's buried somewhere at www.sennheiserusa.com but I can't find em on www.sennheiser.com. I may be wrong but feels like there's foam inside that black round thing. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Sennheiser HD230 > I have been using the Sennheiser HD230 for many years. They are perfectly > adequate for domestic use. They need the earpiece covers now. It is not foam > but some kind of black acrylic cloth. How much does Sennheiser USA charge > for them? > > Debashish Chakravarti > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Wed Jul 25 03:20:05 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #993 References: <200107250014.CAA26243@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <00d501c114a8$08efd080$6d740818@CC604317A> A year ago Christmas I purchased the Headroom Cosmic traveller which consisted of the Cosmic amp, Senn 600's, Etymotic phones, base station, carry case, etc. I typically use the cosmic with the filter out and the cross feed circuit in. I must say the cross feed circuit is a very small change when you switch it in and out, BUT I think it greatly decreases the fatigue factor when listening for an extended period of time. By the way the etymotic's are great during air travel and being a passenger in a vehicle with noisy kids! Tom Dedrick tom.dedrick at home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 19:14 Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #993 > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 25 2001 Volume 02 : Number 993 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > When I borrowed a friends Sennheiser HD 540 I thought > they were great for the money. Nice crisp highs and > smooth low. Not overly bumpy like some headphones. > Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG > K240's that all the studio seem to be using. > > I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think > they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are > virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the > HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone > control that allows me to attenuate the low end and > boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm > just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a > pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the > SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of > any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda > Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only > two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and > Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation > than mine. This gives them better transient response > and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with > the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to > provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless > you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or > one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or > tube amplifiers. > > There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 > adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. > $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) > > I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic > transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret > transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's > > Scott J. > > - --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > > hard to beat. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years > > ago, > > > for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, > > they > > > beat everything else I listened to, up to several > > > hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to > > wear > > > and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. > > > Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe > > a > > > tad bloated, but still, good). > > > > > > I believe they still make the same model number, > > > but don't know the price or whether it's the same > > > phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to > > > them, you may like them. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 > > headphones - how good or how > > bad? > > > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom > > of this group on good > > headphones - price range of 100US$ > > > > Kannan > > > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Not overly bumpy like some headphones. > > Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG > > K240's that all the studio seem to be using. > > > > I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think > > they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are > > virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the > > HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone > > control that allows me to attenuate the low end and > > boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm > > just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a > > pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the > > SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of > > any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda > > Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only > > two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and > > Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation > > than mine. This gives them better transient response > > and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with > > the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to > > provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless > > you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or > > one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or > > tube amplifiers. > > > > There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 > > adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. > > $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) > > > > I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic > > transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret > > transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > > > hard to beat. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought Sony MDR-V6 headphones quite a few years > > > ago, > > > > for $80. Maybe not the best, but, at the time, > > > they > > > > beat everything else I listened to, up to several > > > > hundred dollars. Also, they are comfortable to > > > wear > > > > and fold into a small bag -- excellent for travel. > > > > Sound is clean and detailed, with good bass (maybe > > > a > > > > tad bloated, but still, good). > > > > > > > > I believe they still make the same model number, > > > > but don't know the price or whether it's the same > > > > phones exactly. If you get the chance, listen to > > > > them, you may like them. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody throw light on Nakamichi SP7 > > > headphones - how good or how > > > bad? > > > > > Also I would like to hear the collective wisdom > > > of this group on good > > > headphones - price range of 100US$ > > > > > Kannan > > > > > Also SP7 is on ebay - look > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258377615 > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Probably not he same as the rest > of you but I can sometimes "see" a sound stage and place instruments in it. > I can't do that with headphones, obviously. Most of the time I have to use > headphones in mono. However, I reckon I might be able to adjust to hear a > kind of stereo if I could only get the two stereo channels coming out of one > ear piece but from slightly different angles. > > Any ideas? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:32:23 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > There are/were surround phones that contained two drivers > in each earpiece, at different angle. More or less what > you envision. If you get one of those and connect the > left/right corresponding drivers in parallel, you can > test out your one-ear-stereo-perception idea. > > Be aware that these headphones were said to fail at > imparting the 4 channel aural perception. YMMV. > > - -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Guys > > > > I'm deaf in one ear but can sort of "hear" stereo with the one that I have > > when I can hear the music from speakers. Probably not he same as the rest > > of you but I can sometimes "see" a sound stage and place instruments in it. > > I can't do that with headphones, obviously. Most of the time I have to use > > headphones in mono. However, I reckon I might be able to adjust to hear a > > kind of stereo if I could only get the two stereo channels coming out of one > > ear piece but from slightly different angles. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:35:14 -0700 > From: "Roland Alford" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > Believe it or not, I used to have "quadraphonic" ('member that??) > headphones in the 1970's. Each earpiece had two small drivers in it one > sort of angled from the front and the other from the back. I never saw > another pair like it. However, it was far from the quality I enjoy in the > headphones I have now. > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:03:04 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > That's the bad part of Sennheiser, model numbers can't be used as a rough > 'guidance' and for older models these HD numberings got real close to being > weird. Good thing that Headroom provide ratings for different models, but > on older models esp HD 4xx we're out of luck - need to be extra careful, > price will give better clue. > > Nakkers, any opinion regarding 'simulated acoustics' circuit which somewhat > blend L/R info inside our head ? I tried 'natural crossfeed' from headwize > ... although the effect is nice but resolution somewhat suffers: > http://headwize.com/projects/meier_prj.htm. Anybody ever tried Headroom's > circuit ? > > Scott, you don't really use your killer Stax with PC, do you ? :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP7 headphones > > > > When I borrowed a friends Sennheiser HD 540 I thought > > they were great for the money. Nice crisp highs and > > smooth low. Not overly bumpy like some headphones. > > Much better than the dull, bass heavy sound of the AKG > > K240's that all the studio seem to be using. > > > > I purchased a pair of Sennheiser HD 490's and I think > > they suck! The low end is so overpowering they are > > virtually unlistenable. They sound nothing like the > > HD 540's. Luckily my computer speakers have a tone > > control that allows me to attenuate the low end and > > boost the high end. Now they sound decent. Maybe I'm > > just spoiled. For the last 10 years I've been using a > > pair of Stax Lamda electrostatic earspeakers with the > > SRD-7 adapter. I think they have the best sound of > > any set of headphones, under $650. The Lambda > > Professionals and the Lambda Signatures are the only > > two that I've heard that sound better. The Pro's and > > Signatures use a thinner diaphram and wider separation > > than mine. This gives them better transient response > > and cleaner high and low ends. The only problem with > > the Stax's is that most of the adapters require you to > > provide low impedance speaker level to inputs. Unless > > you have the battery powered headphone jack adapter or > > one of their very expense Class-A DC coupled FET or > > tube amplifiers. > > > > There are a pair of Stax Sigma's with the SRD-6 > > adapter and an extension cable on eBay right now. > > $100 start, buy-it-now $499 (unknown reserve price) > > > > I think the Sigma's use the same electrostatic > > transducers as the Lambda's. Not the electret > > transducers in the Gamma's and SR-34's > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > Me thinks that, at the price, Sennheiser's are very > > > hard to beat. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #993 > ***************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jul 25 03:20:47 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:20:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sennheiser HD230 References: <003d01c114a3$64211900$45289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017301c114a8$0d5c7970$6d756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Not cheap but much easier on the ears! I've tried both ways. :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: "Debashish Chakravarti" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sennheiser HD230 > > You can contact 800-434-9190 to order, sorry my email references are buried > with my hard drive. Part number is HD222-03, $15.20 + $3.50 s/h. > > It's buried somewhere at www.sennheiserusa.com but I can't find em on > www.sennheiser.com. I may be wrong but feels like there's foam inside that > black round thing. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debashish Chakravarti" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:43 AM > Subject: Sennheiser HD230 > > > > I have been using the Sennheiser HD230 for many years. They are perfectly > > adequate for domestic use. They need the earpiece covers now. It is not > foam > > but some kind of black acrylic cloth. How much does Sennheiser USA charge > > for them? > > > > Debashish Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Jul 25 09:03:28 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:03:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D407@CPT-01> Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay with the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies with chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have any problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the system i tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system seems to exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when dolby is off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a lot quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes out of one channel. do you guys have any thoughts -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check whether > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip or > orange caps. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts about > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like "orange > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > replace > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > 100volt > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > > power supply regulator. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can be > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own should > i > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > regards > > > neal > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Jul 25 09:31:55 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:31:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) In-Reply-To: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D407@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3B5F028C.24453.4D4699@localhost> Hi Neal I believe the chrome and metal settings are under-biased. Apply more bias and the problem shouold disappear. I had the same problem with my LX-3 [in the right channel, IIRC] when I underbiased some tapes to accomodate more treble. Nak wizards, correct me if I am wrong on this. Cheers Jason Neal Walker wrote: > > if you play a > chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording there is no popping/ > crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded tape will have > as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes out of one > channel. > > do you guys have any thoughts ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 09:43:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:43:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D407@CPT-01> Message-ID: <019201c114dd$7ce20640$063442cf@sank1> If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half of each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so the crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode inputs & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with an oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, honestly, is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn things in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a really good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of preventing other problems in the future. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay with > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies with > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have any > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the system i > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system seems to > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when dolby is > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a lot > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes > out of one channel. > > do you guys have any thoughts > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > whether > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip > or > > orange caps. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts > about > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > "orange > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > > replace > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > > 100volt > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can > be > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own > should > > i > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 09:56:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:56:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <3B5F028C.24453.4D4699@localhost> Message-ID: <01a301c114df$46024160$063442cf@sank1> Um, Jason, the unit in question is a 1000ZXL. It can't under bias a tape unless something is terribly wrong with it. Even if you use the "bias under" switch to tell it to do it, it won't under-bias enough to create any odd artifacts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > Hi Neal > > I believe the chrome and metal settings are under-biased. Apply more > bias and the problem shouold disappear. > > I had the same problem with my LX-3 [in the right channel, IIRC] when I > underbiased some tapes to accomodate more treble. > > Nak wizards, correct me if I am wrong on this. > > Cheers > Jason > > > Neal Walker wrote: > > > > if you play a > > chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording there is no popping/ > > crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded tape will have > > as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes out of one > > channel. > > > > do you guys have any thoughts > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Jul 25 09:56:59 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:56:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D408@CPT-01> i presume that is the manual adjustment that you can apply to the bias setting. mine is also the right channel. i thought the manual adjustment wasn't permanent, ie each time you set it at 70 that is where it stays. is it more like the fine speed setting on a turntable? -----Original Message----- From: Jason Antony [mailto:s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au] Sent: 25 July 2001 09:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Hi Neal I believe the chrome and metal settings are under-biased. Apply more bias and the problem shouold disappear. I had the same problem with my LX-3 [in the right channel, IIRC] when I underbiased some tapes to accomodate more treble. Nak wizards, correct me if I am wrong on this. Cheers Jason Neal Walker wrote: > > if you play a > chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording there is no popping/ > crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded tape will have > as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes out of one > channel. > > do you guys have any thoughts ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Jul 25 10:01:05 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D409@CPT-01> the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, it is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type tapes (TDK D )the NR system works fine. by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its early morning in south africa -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 25 July 2001 09:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half of each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so the crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode inputs & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with an oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, honestly, is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn things in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a really good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of preventing other problems in the future. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay with > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies with > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have any > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the system i > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system seems to > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when dolby is > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a lot > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre recorded > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes > out of one channel. > > do you guys have any thoughts > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > whether > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap in > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip > or > > orange caps. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts > about > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > "orange > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > > replace > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > > 100volt > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a bad > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can > be > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own > should > > i > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 10:28:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:28:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D409@CPT-01> Message-ID: <01d501c114e3$b910c420$063442cf@sank1> What is this word, "sleep"? It's only 2:20am here. Early for me. Since the crackle is not on normal tapes, I'd start with replacing the orange caps in the record amp & bias control circuits. But it really, really would be worth it to just go ahead & rid the deck completely of "orange cap disease". Anywhere from a few to all of them are doomed to fail in the next few years. Or few minutes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, it > is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type tapes > (TDK D )the NR system works fine. > > by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its early > morning in south africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 25 July 2001 09:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the > record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half of > each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so the > crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. > Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode inputs > & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with an > oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, honestly, > is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film > caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn things > in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a really > good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of preventing > other problems in the future. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay > with > > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies with > > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have any > > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the system > i > > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and > > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system seems > to > > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when dolby > is > > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a lot > > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording > > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre > recorded > > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes > > out of one channel. > > > > do you guys have any thoughts > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR > > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > > whether > > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap > in > > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip > > or > > > orange caps. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts > > about > > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > > "orange > > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > > > replace > > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > > > 100volt > > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a > bad > > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can > > be > > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own > > should > > > i > > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 25 11:07:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:07:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7a Message-ID: <123.2276b74.288fe64a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/24/2001 6:55:56 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam I had seen you chasing another CR7 few weeks back? I was wondering whether you wanted to collect one more Cr7? However I can recommend a Dragon or ZXL - to have both type of transports ! All the best for obtaining Sanktified CR7 Kannan >> Hi Kannan, Thank you. Yes, I was chasing another CR-7 as I thought another would match mine and replace my BX-150. However, I agree that a Dragon, 700 ZXL or even a CR-5 would make a nice replacement for my major playback deck. I'll keep you posted... -Sam PS I still like the look and feel of the Tandberg 3014/3014a, but haven't heard one to judge how it sounds... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Jul 25 11:08:31 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) In-Reply-To: <01a301c114df$46024160$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B5F192F.15909.A5B498@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > Um, Jason, the unit in question is a 1000ZXL. It can't under bias a > tape unless something is terribly wrong with it. Even if you use the > "bias under" switch to tell it to do it, it won't under-bias enough to > create any odd artifacts. my bad :-) I assumed the ZXL-1000 had a bias fine-tune knob, just like most Naks? My LX-3 has exactly the same problem - when I record on certain blank tapes [crappy ones like some junk type I Sony] the right channel breaks up into a crackling mess. I found out that increasing the bias removed the crackles. Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Jul 25 11:09:42 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:09:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D40C@CPT-01> how many are in a 1000zxl?? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 25 July 2001 10:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) What is this word, "sleep"? It's only 2:20am here. Early for me. Since the crackle is not on normal tapes, I'd start with replacing the orange caps in the record amp & bias control circuits. But it really, really would be worth it to just go ahead & rid the deck completely of "orange cap disease". Anywhere from a few to all of them are doomed to fail in the next few years. Or few minutes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, it > is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type tapes > (TDK D )the NR system works fine. > > by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its early > morning in south africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 25 July 2001 09:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the > record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half of > each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so the > crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. > Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode inputs > & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with an > oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, honestly, > is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film > caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn things > in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a really > good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of preventing > other problems in the future. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay > with > > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies with > > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have any > > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the system > i > > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and > > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system seems > to > > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when dolby > is > > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a lot > > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording > > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre > recorded > > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only comes > > out of one channel. > > > > do you guys have any thoughts > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's NR > > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so i > > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > > whether > > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap > in > > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 chip > > or > > > orange caps. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in my > > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts > > about > > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > > "orange > > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > > > replace > > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > > > 100volt > > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a > bad > > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What can > > be > > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own > > should > > > i > > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 25 11:14:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:14:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sennheiser HD230 Message-ID: <95.dd57476.288fe7e5@aol.com> For what it's worth - the best sounding portable headphones I've ever heard are the new B&O's.. http://www.bang-olufsen.com/index2.php?&vflash=5&vshockwave=8&vwidth=800&vheig ht=600&vtimezone=-5 The sound is simply stunning, they are comfortable and fully adjustable to anyone's ear dimensions. One listen, and you will wonder how are they able to create such a rich, warm and balanced sound from such a small earpiece. And, believe it or not I owned a pair of Radio Shack headphones (circa 1975-1976) that covered the entire ear, full padding, large cups with individual volume control knobs on each ear that were simply great! You could truly image the instruments like Graham mentioned. Too bad they no longer make them...a real surprise coming from Radio Shack and at a <$100 price point. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 25 12:17:07 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:17:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D40C@CPT-01> Message-ID: <007801c114f5$2c782960$3b299bca@smarzuki> Neal, at first it is downright scary ... but when you get down to it, there won't be that many on your shopping list. :-) I'm betting to solve a 682 test tone problem by replacing those weird caps on tone, pb, rec amp, erase / bias and dolby board (built in) ... about 20 oranges. Well ... in the end some of that tone problem persists :-( , however, in return all nasty noises - crackling - level mismatch etc is completely gone !! There's also used to be a loud popping noise when I use dolby B regardless of tape type. BTW your problem sounds similar to my 680 rec amp, with pop noise only came on one channel using EX tape. In that case, turned out to be a lytic on rec amp ic supply (7300), but I also replaced a few oranges as well. Best bet would be to start replacing those caps from rec amp then bias area. And yes, I once thought that Stephen has some kind of email answering machine ... Good luck !! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > how many are in a 1000zxl?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 25 July 2001 10:28 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 13:29:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:29:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D40C@CPT-01> Message-ID: <01e701c114fd$0b50a340$063442cf@sank1> Well, I don't recall even the approximate number, but I can say that it took about 2 or 3 hours to replace all of them in a ZXL. Something like 3 or 4 dozen, of various values. Don't look at the time of this message, please. Now I'm a bit embarassed. I started into ripping apart a Krell amp, actually had a decent program on the TV, and got to be this time before I knew it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > how many are in a 1000zxl?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 25 July 2001 10:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > What is this word, "sleep"? It's only 2:20am here. Early for me. > Since the crackle is not on normal tapes, I'd start with replacing the > orange caps in the record amp & bias control circuits. But it really, > really would be worth it to just go ahead & rid the deck completely of > "orange cap disease". Anywhere from a few to all of them are doomed to fail > in the next few years. Or few minutes. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:01 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, it > > is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type > tapes > > (TDK D )the NR system works fine. > > > > by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its early > > morning in south africa > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 25 July 2001 09:43 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the > > record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half > of > > each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so the > > crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. > > Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode > inputs > > & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with an > > oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, honestly, > > is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film > > caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn > things > > in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a really > > good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of preventing > > other problems in the future. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem lay > > with > > > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies > with > > > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have > any > > > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the > system > > i > > > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl and > > > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system > seems > > to > > > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when > dolby > > is > > > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a > lot > > > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no recording > > > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre > > recorded > > > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only > comes > > > out of one channel. > > > > > > do you guys have any thoughts > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the ZXL's > NR > > > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) so > i > > > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > > > whether > > > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a cap > > in > > > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 > chip > > > or > > > > orange caps. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in > my > > > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his doubts > > > about > > > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > > > "orange > > > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the tech > > > > replace > > > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with different > > > > 100volt > > > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is a > > bad > > > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What > can > > > be > > > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its own > > > should > > > > i > > > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > neal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 13:39:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:39:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <3B5F192F.15909.A5B498@localhost> Message-ID: <020201c114fe$6670c600$063442cf@sank1> Sounds like your LX-3 is behaving a bit abnormally. I'd keep an eye on it. Watch for it getting worse. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > Um, Jason, the unit in question is a 1000ZXL. It can't under bias a > > tape unless something is terribly wrong with it. Even if you use the > > "bias under" switch to tell it to do it, it won't under-bias enough to > > create any odd artifacts. > > > my bad :-) I assumed the ZXL-1000 had a bias fine-tune knob, just like > most Naks? > > My LX-3 has exactly the same problem - when I record on certain blank > tapes [crappy ones like some junk type I Sony] the right channel breaks > up into a crackling mess. > > I found out that increasing the bias removed the crackles. > > Cheers > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Wed Jul 25 16:24:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:24:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D40C@CPT-01> <01e701c114fd$0b50a340$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B5ED692.7EFF5AEC@concentric.net> I don't know much about the 1000ZXL internals, but my personal repair philosophy is different. I don't believe in mass replacement of parts, except maybe as a last resort, or when specific components are known to be consistently go bad, or when the problem is very intermittent. One could replace a zillion components and still, miss the one that causes the problem. In a case like this, the best approach is to signal trace the circuit (in this case, the REC path with SX selected) and locate the specific cause of the problem, down to a specific component. Once replaced and the trouble cured, it may be a good idea to also replace orange caps, leaky electrolytics and whatever else strikes your fancy. I realize that a signal tracer may not be available. For purely Audio equipment, any small amp with a speaker will do the trick. I actually built one, a long time ago, from a small amp kit (about 20 bucks), that I installed in a small speakerphone box that already had a 4" speaker in place. Anyone handy enough to fix their a Nak should be able to put together something similar with not much effort or cash. Just my $.02 -- Ron > Well, I don't recall even the approximate number, but I can say that it took > about 2 or 3 hours to replace all of them in a ZXL. Something like 3 or 4 > dozen, of various values. > Don't look at the time of this message, please. Now I'm a bit embarassed. > I started into ripping apart a Krell amp, actually had a decent program on > the TV, and got to be this time before I knew it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > how many are in a 1000zxl?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: 25 July 2001 10:28 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > What is this word, "sleep"? It's only 2:20am here. Early for me. > > Since the crackle is not on normal tapes, I'd start with replacing the > > orange caps in the record amp & bias control circuits. But it really, > > really would be worth it to just go ahead & rid the deck completely of > > "orange cap disease". Anywhere from a few to all of them are doomed to > fail > > in the next few years. Or few minutes. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:01 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > > the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, > it > > > is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type > > tapes > > > (TDK D )the NR system works fine. > > > > > > by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its > early > > > morning in south africa > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: 25 July 2001 09:43 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > > > > If you say it does not pop/crackle in pb of a blank, it must be in the > > > record side of things. Even the output for the ext NR goes through half > > of > > > each rec dolby chip, but at the source monitor output of each chip, so > the > > > crackle would have to exist on source monitor to be one of those. > > > Unfortunately, there is a lot of circuitry between the ext NR encode > > inputs > > > & the record head, so one would have to to a step by step probing with > an > > > oscilloscope to narrow down the culprit. However, the culprit, > honestly, > > > is, I would say, 80 percent likely to be one of those damned orange film > > > caps, so the expedient thing to do may be to replace all of the damn > > things > > > in the unit(needn't do it on the RAMM pcb, though) at once. Has a > really > > > good chance of curing the problem, and a 100 percent chance of > preventing > > > other problems in the future. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:03 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > > > > > > Found out last night that i made a big mistake assuming the problem > lay > > > with > > > > the ext NR system (that was costly). turns out that the problem lies > > with > > > > chrome and metal tapes ie set at 70, while a normal tape doesn't have > > any > > > > problems with the NR unit. the problem is that when i first got the > > system > > > i > > > > tried taping with chrome tapes to get the full effect of the 1000zxl > and > > > > noticed the popping noise when i tried the NR system, the NR system > > seems > > > to > > > > exagerate the sound so that you don't really notice it as much when > > dolby > > > is > > > > off or dolby b is used but last night i noticed it was in both (just a > > lot > > > > quieter). if you play a chrome tape with nothing on it (i.e no > recording > > > > there is no popping/ crackle sound), i'm not sure what effect a pre > > > recorded > > > > tape will have as i will have to find a chrome one. the crackle only > > comes > > > > out of one channel. > > > > > > > > do you guys have any thoughts > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 18:21 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > You can simply connect patch cables between the ins & outs of the > ZXL's > > NR > > > > loops & see if it pops on it's own in Ext.NR mode. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > well the UA7300 has ben replaced by LA2730 (on your recomendation) > so > > i > > > > > guess the orange caps. is there any test that could be done to check > > > > whether > > > > > the problem lies with the NR unit or the ZXL > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: 24 July 2001 09:48 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A relay in the ZXL won't cause popping, unless perhaps there is some > > > > > improper DC offset on a signal line that is charging/discharging a > cap > > > in > > > > > the path. Very unlikely, I'd say. Much more likely to be a UA7300 > > chip > > > > or > > > > > orange caps. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:54 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i had a message from someone who reconned the relay, to the NR, in > > my > > > > > > 1000zxl was the problem. the local technician said he had his > doubts > > > > about > > > > > > this. do you think the problem lies with the zxl or the NR. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > Sent: 23 July 2001 19:45 > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually never had an NR-100 on the bench, but it sounds like > > > > "orange > > > > > > cap disease" if bad UA7300 IC's have been eliminated. Have the > tech > > > > > replace > > > > > > all of the orange, epoxy-dipped film capacitors in it with > different > > > > > 100volt > > > > > > polyester film caps. Only other thing I can think of off hand is > a > > > bad > > > > > > power supply regulator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Neal Walker" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had the IC's replaced but still the popping sound persists. What > > can > > > > be > > > > > > > done, the technician was only working with the NR unit on its > own > > > > should > > > > > i > > > > > > > send my 1000zxl in as well. what should the guy be looking for?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > neal ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 25 21:55:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:55:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010725132310.CCB011160E7@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <024301c11543$beb35360$063442cf@sank1> Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing having a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a living hell. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > now that you are laying your hands on a krell ( I know you might have done this earlier but) > I wanted to ask what is your openion on krell Amps -I found their site bit funny with lot of jargons which made no tech sense like "sustained plateu bias" etc ? > I notice a great following for krells in and around US, I am curious? > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > > > > > >I started into ripping apart a Krell amp, actually had a decent program on > >the TV, and got to be this time before I knew it. > > > >Stephen Sank > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 25 22:29:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:29:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing having a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a living hell. >> I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does seem like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should we stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill and assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What name brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing stereo equipment? -SamTheCR-7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 25 22:35:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:35:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <86.d186a1d.2890878b@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 8:29:13 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << now that you are laying your hands on a krell ( I know you might have done this earlier but) I wanted to ask what is your openion on krell Amps -I found their site bit funny with lot of jargons which made no tech sense like "sustained plateu bias" etc ? I notice a great following for krells in and around US, I am curious? Kannan >> Great question Kannan! I too am curious to the Krell legend. I notice that Krell is often featured in all of the major stereo magazines and usually earns high ratings. I know their gear is pleasant to the eye and is sold in most high-end shops. And, I've also noticed that their equipment carries a heavy price tag (always an attraction in the US - in marketing we call it the "snob appeal"). I've also seen Krell systems featured in custom homes and the homes of the stars so that may have something to do with their popularity here. Any thoughts... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jul 25 23:01:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:01:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they performed so poorly in my system. I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the purchase. Cheers, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > having > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a > living hell. > >> > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does seem > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should we > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill and > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What name > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing stereo > equipment? > > -SamTheCR-7Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Jul 25 23:14:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:14:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: In a message dated 7/25/2001 4:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they performed so poorly in my system. I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the purchase. Cheers, Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, Sorry to learn of your experience with Krell. I was told that Krell seems to perform well with Krell equipment only. I know the FPB-250M monoblocks are very impressive and have been featured in custom-built home theater systems. At $10,000 I would think they would perform and outperform just about anything. Doesn't krell make a 500 lbs. speaker that sells for $50,000? It's black, sets on wheels? I saw this configuration with two monoblocks amps for Dave Pienza's home in a magazine (don't remember which one) and thought to myself "...that MUST sound simply extraordinary..." :-( Are there any other manufacturers you would or anyone else would recommend these days that are solid performers, well built, and don't require a home mortgage to own? -SamTheCR-7Man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Jul 25 23:39:56 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:39:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c11552$5ab69020$19031fac@brianm> Sam, I wouldn't be concerned, I believe the best equipment ever made is being made now, save older non-R&D products such as cassette decks. There are many good and great brands producing wonderful equipment. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > having > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a > living hell. > >> > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does seem > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should we > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill and > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What name > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing stereo > equipment? > > -SamTheCR-7Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 00:05:33 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:05:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell In-Reply-To: <004e01c11552$5ab69020$19031fac@brianm> Message-ID: On the eighth day, God created Nakamichi tape decks, swiss watches, and Porsches. :-) Alex > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 00:28:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: Message-ID: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, The Krell LAT-1 speakers are the featured review in this month's issue of Stereophile. I haven't read the article yet but I would guess that the LAT-1 sounds similar to the Wilson Watt/Puppy combination, perhaps balanced slightly more on the warm side. One thing I've discovered in my years of experience in this hobby, performance is NOT necessarily commensurate with price. Don't be fooled by all the beautiful, glossy advertisements and the glowing reviews. Magazines like Stereophile make 95% of their revenue from advertisers. Krell has been advertising on the inside cover of Stereophile for a few years now, which pretty much guarantees that they will receive some good reviews. Thanks to magazines like Stereophile, the high end industry was become very political, with the a very expensive cost of entry. The smaller companies simply cannot afford to pay the high advertising rates which are required, for the magazines to even consider accepting a piece of equipment for review. The glossy ads and glowing reviews are what allows these manufacturers to charge the outrageous prices that they do. Again, I'll repeat. THE BEST VALUES IN THE HIGH END INDUSTRY ARE FOUND WITH THE LESSER KNOWN COMPANIES. For solid state amplification, look to companies like Ayre, Electrocompaniet, Audio Analogue, and Plinius. Most of this equipment is still relatively expensive but at least they offer state of the art performance in return. Also, I would suggest balancing your product research with information from both magazines and internet user groups. Sites like the Audio Asylum and rec.audio.opinion offer a wealth of information without the obvious commercial bias that the magazines do. Cheers, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 4:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > performed so poorly in my system. > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > purchase. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Hi Jim, > > Sorry to learn of your experience with Krell. I was told that Krell seems to > perform well with Krell equipment only. I know the FPB-250M monoblocks are > very impressive and have been featured in custom-built home theater systems. > At $10,000 I would think they would perform and outperform just about > anything. Doesn't krell make a 500 lbs. speaker that sells for $50,000? > It's black, sets on wheels? I saw this configuration with two monoblocks > amps for Dave Pienza's home in a magazine (don't remember which one) and > thought to myself "...that MUST sound simply extraordinary..." :-( > > Are there any other manufacturers you would or anyone else would recommend > these days that are solid performers, well built, and don't require a home > mortgage to own? > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jul 26 00:40:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:40:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: Message-ID: <3B5F4AC2.24498D43@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 4:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > >> I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing >> a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and >> was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they >> performed so poorly in my system. >> >> I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago >> sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I >> forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on >> the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but >> man, does it ever kill the music! Jim, this is a common fallacy. In the last (or one before) issue of 'The Audio Critic' there was an interesting article about Esoteric Audio Ten Biggest Lies. Lie #7 (I think) was that FB is somehow bad... Sure, bad FB loop design can destroy performance, but why would a respectable company like Krell (or, for that matter, any other serious company) go out of their way to market a poorly designed amp? But, even if they did do a poor design job, it makes no sense to slam a design technique because someone employed it improperly. I am not sure what happened with your 250M, but please believe me that proper application of NFB is the best way to *improve* amp performance. >> It looks like Dan D'Agostino has >> recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new >> FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much >> sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. >> >> Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or >> lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find >> the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, >> Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even >> consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category >> that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. >> >> Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the >> purchase. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jim Volpatti >> > > Hi Jim, > > Sorry to learn of your experience with Krell. I was told that Krell seems to > perform well with Krell equipment only. I know the FPB-250M monoblocks are > very impressive and have been featured in custom-built home theater systems. > At $10,000 I would think they would perform and outperform just about > anything. Doesn't krell make a 500 lbs. speaker that sells for $50,000? > It's black, sets on wheels? I saw this configuration with two monoblocks > amps for Dave Pienza's home in a magazine (don't remember which one) and > thought to myself "...that MUST sound simply extraordinary..." :-( > > Are there any other manufacturers you would or anyone else would recommend > these days that are solid performers, well built, and don't require a home > mortgage to own? I have found Classe products to be musical. They are not exactly dirt cheap, but competitive in their market segment. Personally, I chose the Mondial Aragon 8008 power amps. The 8008ST is a dual channel amp (listed at $2000) and the 8008X3 is the corresponding 3 channel product ($2,500) -- I have one each. Mondial also offer balanced input versions of both and a dual mono (separate power supplies per channel) version of the two channel one, for some additional Dinars. The Aragons have a very 'robust' (for lack of a less nebulous term) sound. Very clean, but also very 'crisp' and 'forward'. Excellent when HT performance is a consideration. I use them to drive Aerial Acoustics 10T mains, CC3 center and SR3 surrounds. Listening to Verdi's Requiem is a religious experience... -- Ron > > -SamTheCR-7Man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 01:59:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:59:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <3B5F4AC2.24498D43@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B5F5D7B.F3823A65@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, Thanks for replying to my post. The Audio Critic believes that there is NO difference in sound between ANY amplifier that measures with less than a certain amount of distortion, when auditioned at identical volume. They lost ALL credibility with me after I discovered this. As far as NFB is concerned, I never suggested that its use, in and of itself is bad. I only said that EXCESSIVE use is detrimental to performance. Even large, established companies like Krell make mistakes. At least Dan was smart enough to recognize his and change his design. On an absolute scale, Krell offers decent performance. My point is that better performance is offered by other companies, at the same or lower price points. I'm sure the Naksters here would be shocked if they auditioned some of the brands I've mentioned, side by side. I would encourage anyone who hasn't compared the amplifiers I mentioned side by side to withhold judgment unit they do. Having said all of this, this hobby is highly subjective. What I think sounds great may sound like crap to someone else. One should never accept a review as absolute truth. Things like system synergy and reviewer bias and taste are critical. The most effective way to compare and choose equipment is with an in-home audition, with your system, in your listening room and let YOUR ears decide. All The Best, Jim Volpatti > Jim, this is a common fallacy. In the last (or one > before) issue of 'The Audio Critic' there was an > interesting article about Esoteric Audio Ten Biggest > Lies. Lie #7 (I think) was that FB is somehow bad... > > Sure, bad FB loop design can destroy performance, but why > would a respectable company like Krell (or, for that matter, > any other serious company) go out of their way to market a > poorly designed amp? > > But, even if they did do a poor design job, it makes no > sense to slam a design technique because someone employed > it improperly. I am not sure what happened with your 250M, > but please believe me that proper application of NFB is > the best way to *improve* amp performance. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 02:33:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:33:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of my little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. He had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly with Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt it, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > performed so poorly in my system. > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > purchase. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > > having > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a > > living hell. > > >> > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does seem > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should we > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill and > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What name > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing stereo > > equipment? > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 02:38:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:38:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: Message-ID: <027801c1156b$50c423c0$063442cf@sank1> If you mate Krell with Krell with Krell, you'll have the ultimate in etched, analytical, hard-edged & completely lifeless "music". The common thing to do is to use the equally overpriced Purist Audio Designs cables to roll off the top end, mush up the bass & give some facsimile of a musical system. A Krell amp sounds ass-loads better with a tube preamp in front of it. As for Krell's new speakers, I have not yet seen or heard them, but I can say that the Krell dealer here, who is devoted to Krell, came back from a demo of them really disappointed & does not plan on getting any to sell. The friend of mine who went with him to the demo said "they sucked." Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/25/2001 4:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > performed so poorly in my system. > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > purchase. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Hi Jim, > > Sorry to learn of your experience with Krell. I was told that Krell seems to > perform well with Krell equipment only. I know the FPB-250M monoblocks are > very impressive and have been featured in custom-built home theater systems. > At $10,000 I would think they would perform and outperform just about > anything. Doesn't krell make a 500 lbs. speaker that sells for $50,000? > It's black, sets on wheels? I saw this configuration with two monoblocks > amps for Dave Pienza's home in a magazine (don't remember which one) and > thought to myself "...that MUST sound simply extraordinary..." :-( > > Are there any other manufacturers you would or anyone else would recommend > these days that are solid performers, well built, and don't require a home > mortgage to own? > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 03:30:48 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:30:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Steven, What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > linn keilidh. So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older stuff? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of my > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. He > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly with > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt it, > though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > purchase. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > > > having > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > aspects > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > damn!, > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) > must > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job > a > > > living hell. > > > >> > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > seem > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should > we > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > skill and > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What > name > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > stereo > > > equipment? > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 03:48:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for Mark's Cello line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I would be shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the post-Mark ML company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap Philips CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that told me about all I wanted to know. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Steven, > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > linn keilidh. > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older > stuff? > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of > my > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. > He > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly > with > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt > it, > > though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > > purchase. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > marketing > > > > having > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty > darn > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > > aspects > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > > damn!, > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > D'Agostino(krell) > > must > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's > job > > a > > > > living hell. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days > of > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > > seem > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > Should > > we > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > > skill and > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > What > > name > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > > stereo > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Jul 26 03:57:21 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:57:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... In-Reply-To: <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: Let's say you have $15K. Let's also assume that you drive a 1990 Mazda 626 worth $1,000, wear a Timex Indiglo ($50), have a $700 Technics mini-system, and a nice 4 bedroom home. With the $15K you have only four choices. You can either buy a loaded Hyunday Elantra, a Rolex Day-Date, a stereo system, or give it to your spouse to redecorate the house ... What would you buy, and if this is a stereo system, which particular components would you aim at? Think of new and used (for used take average e-bay selling prices.). Just curious ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carl Cobb Sent: Wed, July 25, 2001 8:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Steven, What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > linn keilidh. So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older stuff? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of my > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. He > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly with > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt it, > though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > purchase. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > > > having > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > aspects > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > damn!, > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) > must > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job > a > > > living hell. > > > >> > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > seem > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should > we > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > skill and > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What > name > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > stereo > > > equipment? > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 26 04:24:02 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:24:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b601c1157a$09299cc0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Again, I'll repeat. THE BEST VALUES IN THE HIGH END INDUSTRY ARE FOUND > WITH THE LESSER KNOWN COMPANIES. For solid state amplification, look to > companies like Ayre, Electrocompaniet, Audio Analogue, and Plinius. Most > of this equipment is still relatively expensive but at least they offer > state of the art performance in return. > Please note almost all of these companies *have* been reviewed in Stereophile (not sure about Audio Analogue but I think so) and Ayre, Electrocomaniet and Plinius are all Class Amps. I think its unfair not to note that Stereophile covers a lot of equipment that doesn't advertise. Finally there are other fine and reasonably priced amps by Odessy, Marsh and Arcam to start Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 04:33:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:33:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... References: Message-ID: <030901c1157b$6111c600$063442cf@sank1> Easy. You buy a pair of my speakers, my biggest custom-built Moscode amp, my custom-built Moscode preamp, and then squeeze out some decent front end equipment from what's left.=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... > Let's say you have $15K. Let's also assume that you drive a 1990 Mazda 626 > worth $1,000, wear a Timex Indiglo ($50), have a $700 Technics mini-system, > and a nice 4 bedroom home. > > With the $15K you have only four choices. You can either buy a loaded > Hyunday Elantra, a Rolex Day-Date, a stereo system, or give it to your > spouse to redecorate the house ... > > What would you buy, and if this is a stereo system, which particular > components would you aim at? Think of new and used (for used take average > e-bay selling prices.). > > Just curious ... > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl Cobb > Sent: Wed, July 25, 2001 8:31 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > Steven, > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > linn keilidh. > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older > stuff? > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of > my > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. > He > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly > with > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt > it, > > though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > > purchase. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > marketing > > > > having > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty > darn > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > > aspects > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > > damn!, > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > D'Agostino(krell) > > must > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's > job > > a > > > > living hell. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days > of > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > > seem > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > Should > > we > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > > skill and > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > What > > name > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > > stereo > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Jul 26 05:05:17 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:05:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps Message-ID: <20010725.230522.-314101.1.josephj69@juno.com> Hi guys, I didn't ask before because I thought it was too off-topic, but while this Krell thread is going on I should mention that I'm actually in the market for a new (used) preamp. I'm upgrading from an Adcom GTP-400 tuner/preamp which is decent, but has no MC phono stage. My goal is to get something solid state with BOTH MM and MC phono compatibility AND two tape loops. One of the front-runners so far has been the Krell PAM-3. Although it's an older design, it does meet both of the above requirements, and has an excellent phono stage. Does anyone have any direct experience with this unit? I'm interested in comments on sound performance, as well as reliability and serviceability. I'm also open to suggestions for other preamps. The absolute limit of my budget is $1,000, but I prefer to keep it in the $600 range. I've so far been offered a Krell PAM-5 at $400 and a KSP-7B at $700. However, both units have only one tape loop. (It seems PAM-3's are pretty thin on the ground). Note that part of my logic in going with Krell is its resell-ability. If/when I decide to upgrade in 3 or 4 years, I can probably get back every penny I pay for something that says "Krell" on it. If I buy brand new mid-fi (Adcom, Rotel, NAD, etc), I'll probably get only 40 cents on the dollar. Suggestions/advice welcome. My associated equipment is listed below. Thanks, Joe power: Adcom turntable: Micro Seiki RX-1500FVG arm 1: Rega RB-300 w/ Grado arm 2: SAEC WE-308N (soon to have Denon 103) headphones: Grado (most listening) speakers: JBL S38 cassette: Nakamichi 660zx DAT: Sony ES + home computer with Wadia 130 A/D and CoolEdit editing software ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <00bc01c11580$4bdc23c0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> A new 15k system Arcam fmj 23 cd player $1995 Michell gyrodec with rega arm benz cart $3000 adcom gfp 750 preamp $1400 creek audio obh-9se phono stage $400.00 odessey mono blocks $1995 Maggie 3.6 speakers $3750 The rega comes with its own cable so you need 2 sets of interconnects and a set of speaker cables The Lat stuff is very good so 1 metre ic200 $189.00 x2 8 feet ss100d $279.00 sanus audio rack about $400.00 that leaves $1500 for either your favourite Nak or software (best) audio tweaks (well you have some play money) The maggies are as close to heaven as you can get under $15000.00 the rest of the stuff is as close to state of the art without spending silly amounts of money to get that last nth degree of resolution. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 06:41:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:41:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am not speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; just the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power them. They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am going to try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that does for my SPL. Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small fortune (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an Energy (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it bumps and makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very nice woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for review and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but I think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the Denon AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for Mark's Cello > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I would be > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the post-Mark ML > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap Philips > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that told me > about all I wanted to know. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Steven, > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > > linn keilidh. > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older > > stuff? > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from > getting > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of > > my > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. > > He > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but > didn't > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly > > with > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far > with > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt > > it, > > > though. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > purchasing > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago > and > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years > ago > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something > on > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications > but > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to > find > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > Electrocompaniet, > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > > marketing > > > > > having > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty > > darn > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > > > aspects > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. > And, > > > damn!, > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > must > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's > > job > > > a > > > > > living hell. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days > > of > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is > OEM'ing > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it > does > > > seem > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > > Should > > > we > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > > > skill and > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > > What > > > name > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > > > stereo > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Old and nice Ortophone "C" series, (unfortunately impossible to adopt it for Dual, should be installed in to SME type tonearm), several old BSR pickups and old Telefunken pickup. Right now I'm using BSR crystal pickup and... I simply love the sound of old records! I heard a lot about how god it is but I never expected how it's realy good! Especialy with "NOS" records! I connected pickup directly to SE tube amp, and Philips AD9710 based loudspeaker. Oh man, it was simply amasing! The only problem I faced now is the lask of good quality 78 records :( Anyone with the similar or different expirience? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps > Hi guys, > > I didn't ask before because I thought it was too off-topic, but while > this Krell thread is going on I should mention that I'm actually in the > market for a new (used) preamp. I'm upgrading from an Adcom GTP-400 > tuner/preamp which is decent, but has no MC phono stage. My goal is to > get something solid state with BOTH MM and MC phono compatibility AND two > tape loops. One of the front-runners so far has been the Krell PAM-3. > Although it's an older design, it does meet both of the above > requirements, and has an excellent phono stage. > > Does anyone have any direct experience with this unit? I'm interested in > comments on sound performance, as well as reliability and serviceability. > > > I'm also open to suggestions for other preamps. The absolute limit of my > budget is $1,000, but I prefer to keep it in the $600 range. I've so far > been offered a Krell PAM-5 at $400 and a KSP-7B at $700. However, both > units have only one tape loop. (It seems PAM-3's are pretty thin on the > ground). > > Note that part of my logic in going with Krell is its resell-ability. > If/when I decide to upgrade in 3 or 4 years, I can probably get back > every penny I pay for something that says "Krell" on it. If I buy brand > new mid-fi (Adcom, Rotel, NAD, etc), I'll probably get only 40 cents on > the dollar. > > Suggestions/advice welcome. My associated equipment is listed below. > > > Thanks, > Joe > > > power: Adcom > turntable: Micro Seiki RX-1500FVG > arm 1: Rega RB-300 w/ Grado > arm 2: SAEC WE-308N (soon to have Denon 103) > headphones: Grado (most listening) > speakers: JBL S38 > cassette: Nakamichi 660zx > DAT: Sony ES > + home computer with Wadia 130 A/D and CoolEdit editing software > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 09:39:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:39:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered subs, MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your main amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other sub I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be half that or less, probably, on the used market. Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with my opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices for use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. Quite good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the right ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker for a small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, especially in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I have a client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE amps. But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength Cardinals. The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm impedance through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the crossovers are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any kind. But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. So, that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, to me, means the A/D/S subs only. The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn that had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. The best "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, which can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set of Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone tube damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with two tape loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go with it, it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass such "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty top shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. But an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps are of the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no worries about over-glossing the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am not > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; just > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power them. > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am going to > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that does > for my SPL. > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small fortune > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an Energy > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it bumps and > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very nice > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for review > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but I > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the Denon > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > Regards, > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for Mark's > Cello > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I would be > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the post-Mark ML > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap Philips > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that told me > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp > and > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca > 1206. > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older > > > stuff? > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from > > getting > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one > of > > > my > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite > often. > > > He > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but > > didn't > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly > > > with > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great > sounding > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far > > with > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda > doubt > > > it, > > > > though. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > purchasing > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago > > and > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years > > ago > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. > I > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something > > on > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications > > but > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds > much > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price > or > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to > > find > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > > > marketing > > > > > > having > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were > pretty > > > darn > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with > new > > > > aspects > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. > > And, > > > > damn!, > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > must > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a > tech's > > > job > > > > a > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the > days > > > of > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is > > OEM'ing > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it > > does > > > > seem > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > > > Should > > > > we > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with > the > > > > skill and > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > > > What > > > > name > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > performing > > > > stereo > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 09:46:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:46:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010726045406.D386D114F33@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003401c115a7$0cb08020$1c3442cf@sank1> I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. So, if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease look me up.=) A couple of my favorite <$1000(usually) amps: Nakamichi PA-7II, PA-5II McIntosh MC2105, MC2505(both late sixties ss amps) Apt Corp. model One(100w/ch ss) And, for WAY under a grand, the good old little Adcom GFA-535, one of which resides in my house as my "in between Moscodes" back up amp. Average $150 used. Not quite in the same league as the above, but not far off & really easy to live with. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Looking at Techno babble out there with Magazines screaming great sound through equipments costing tens of thousands of Dollars ( mark levinson is also I feel is the victim of hype along with other names); > I feel strongly that it is possible to get an amp ( or build an Amp ) for about 1000 $ range for an out put about 100 - 150 W RMS which is sweet on most of the speakers ( excepting very complex crossovers) with relevent Technical specs right? > Stephen > I tried to look at info on your favourite moscodes thru internet but found minimal info that they stopped producing around 15 years back. So is there way to produce them without much of hype for minimal cost? > Though getting an used one on ebay - I rarely see them and getting it converted by you for additional 1500 $ would be too much for asian souls like us. > > Moscode concept of hybrid circuitry eliminate bulky output transformers and make them most attractive unlike other tube amps. > Are there any way to obtain good amp which performs for minmal cost( less than 1000 $) > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > >In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > >bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > ><< Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > >having > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new aspects > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, damn!, > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) must > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job a > > living hell. > > >> > > > >I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > >purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > >products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does seem > >like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should we > >stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > >manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill and > >assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? What name > >brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing stereo > >equipment? > > > >-SamTheCR-7Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 26 10:00:44 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:00:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c115a9$12b08860$80d0893e@a4s1s2> Hi Misha Yes, I use a Goldring Lenco GL 78 turntable (slightly modified) for my 78s. (These old TTs are excellent - with a little modification to get rid of their bell-like effect of the cast metal platter!) On that I have fixed a MM Ortofon cartridge which takes several different stylus ends - the M20, M30 and M40 (I think) and, of course, one for 78s. So, if I fancy a change from my Pink Triangle PT TOO turntable I can slot in a M40 stylus and .... away I go! I also go in for sticking in a few other devices in the tape loop to "improve" the sound from the 78s although I have not yet gone down the route of getting a graphic equaliser. (I use a pop and click "buster" and a little bit of expansion using a DBX machine.) I have, however, read that the equalisation of the original recordings of different makes of 78s varies considerably and the best way to compensate for that is to acquire an equaliser. There is even a manual you can buy that tells you what equalisation settings are best for nearly every darned 78 label! (I have some htm files somewhere about it all - if you're interested I'll dig 'em out and send them to you.) However, personally, I find the subtle tone controls of my Quad 44 controller/pre-amp to be excellent in adjusting the sound. BTW, a surprise for some of you I'd guess is that I have found a couple of Japanese 78s that were recorded with a STEREO signal! How about that? I didn't realise such experiments were done on that format. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 26 July 2001 09:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? Hi all, Going in to 78 records :-) Any one with the expirience? Have Dual 1219 with 78, and several pickups. Old and nice Ortophone "C" series, (unfortunately impossible to adopt it for Dual, should be installed in to SME type tonearm), several old BSR pickups and old Telefunken pickup. Right now I'm using BSR crystal pickup and... I simply love the sound of old records! I heard a lot about how god it is but I never expected how it's realy good! Especialy with "NOS" records! I connected pickup directly to SE tube amp, and Philips AD9710 based loudspeaker. Oh man, it was simply amasing! The only problem I faced now is the lask of good quality 78 records :( Anyone with the similar or different expirience? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 09:51:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:51:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? References: <20010726045406.D386D114F33@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <003a01c115a7$bf2cf1c0$1c3442cf@sank1> A few months ago, I hooked up my Dual CS-5000 with a Shure V15 Type II(with standard elliptical stylus) to a preamp under test on the home bench. Decided to drag out some of my dad's old 78's to let my daughter hear them. First of all, I was absolutely stunned at the warp trackability of the CS-5000 arm. With the stylus pressure at 2grams, the thing was able to track some really nasty, roller coaster warps with no problem & no audible effects! Secondly, I was really impressed with some of the records. Especially the vocals, some of which could have easily competed with the best of modern recording. Unreal. Have to assume there were RCA ribbon mics involved. It was really quite a listening experience. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? > Hi all, > > Going in to 78 records :-) Any one with the expirience? > Have Dual 1219 with 78, and several pickups. Old and > nice Ortophone "C" series, (unfortunately impossible to > adopt it for Dual, should be installed in to SME type > tonearm), several old BSR pickups and old Telefunken > pickup. Right now I'm using BSR crystal pickup and... > I simply love the sound of old records! I heard a lot > about how god it is but I never expected how it's realy good! > Especialy with "NOS" records! I connected pickup > directly to SE tube amp, and Philips AD9710 based > loudspeaker. Oh man, it was simply amasing! > The only problem I faced now is the lask of good > quality 78 records :( > Anyone with the similar or different expirience? > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jul 26 10:24:01 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:24:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? Message-ID: Hi Misha, You're quite right, the fidelity of well kept 78's can be quite surprising - a wake-up call for many. Although there are private collections that pop up from time to time, they are so incredibly heavy to send long distances (either by mail or freighting services). You might come right on e-bay, and be able to work out some surface mail arrangement with the seller. Rega used to make a Rega '78' as a specific deck, with a specific pick-up cartridge for the shellac 78 groove. Not sure if they still do, but also worth visiting their site(I'm assuming they have one). Incidently, there's a lot of historic music that was never re-released on either LP or CD. You know, like original recordings of Sergei Rachmaninov himself - Naxos I think have done those, but there's some really rare gems that have never been reprinted, including recordings of famous speeechs (many of which got the world into a whole lot of trouble!!!!). Best of luck, Marc >>> MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua 07/26/01 10:29AM >>> Hi all, Going in to 78 records :-) Any one with the expirience? Have Dual 1219 with 78, and several pickups. Old and nice Ortophone "C" series, (unfortunately impossible to adopt it for Dual, should be installed in to SME type tonearm), several old BSR pickups and old Telefunken pickup. Right now I'm using BSR crystal pickup and... I simply love the sound of old records! I heard a lot about how god it is but I never expected how it's realy good! Especialy with "NOS" records! I connected pickup directly to SE tube amp, and Philips AD9710 based loudspeaker. Oh man, it was simply amasing! The only problem I faced now is the lask of good quality 78 records :( Anyone with the similar or different expirience? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & > preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & > circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. So, > if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease > look me up.=) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Jul 26 10:13:18 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:13:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D40D@CPT-01> thanks i agree, i think i will follow stephens advice and first see that the external NR unit is definately not the problem by by just connecting the inputs and outputs. i spent a lot of time with the machine last night to trying and narrow down where the problem lies. the crackle happens immediately i switch to NR even if tape isn't running (i thought this wasn't the case but i was wrong). if you record using the external NR the distortion is terrible and it is worse for metal and chrome tapes. the only good thing is that i got to do some long overdue recording using dolby B, TDK SA tape, i now have david bowie greatest hits (my version ie no hits). -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: 26 July 2001 06:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) Ron I agree with you on working through systematic tracing. My point is that I have seen many such problems in Nak' older used machine is this Orange cap causing problems in Dolby/ bias osc / tone generator/ and bias trap areas. Since they anyway cause problems, attack them first in areas of malfunction. Generally circuit malfunctioning is more related to this Orange cap. I also noticed loos connections / broken wires ( due to pulling of wires during dis-assembly( we servicemen themselves are the reason though) / broken solder connections ( particularly motor drive/ power supply area due to heat as well as thermal fatigue)- you need magnifying glass in this case! I have not noticed any malfunction of Transistors/ IC/Diodes etc excepting motor drive circuit of BX1 - reel drive / Drive IC 4558 in Dragon Capstan motor drive. However experience is is an invaluable tool - can not be replaced by advice. I think you have plenty of them but guidelines will help people like us in trouble shooting without too much probing Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) > >I don't know much about the 1000ZXL internals, but my >personal repair philosophy is different. I don't >believe in mass replacement of parts, except maybe as >a last resort, or when specific components are known >to be consistently go bad, or when the problem is >very intermittent. One could replace a zillion >components and still, miss the one that causes the >problem. > >In a case like this, the best approach is to signal >trace the circuit (in this case, the REC path with SX >selected) and locate the specific cause of the problem, >down to a specific component. Once replaced and the >trouble cured, it may be a good idea to also replace >orange caps, leaky electrolytics and whatever else >strikes your fancy. > >I realize that a signal tracer may not be available. >For purely Audio equipment, any small amp with a >speaker will do the trick. I actually built one, a >long time ago, from a small amp kit (about 20 bucks), >that I installed in a small speakerphone box that >already had a 4" speaker in place. Anyone handy >enough to fix their a Nak should be able to put >together something similar with not much effort or >cash. > >Just my $.02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 11:12:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:12:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010726045406.D386D114F33@webmail.vsnl.com> <003401c115a7$0cb08020$1c3442cf@sank1> <006301c115af$35967f00$d3ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c115b3$1b67c7c0$473442cf@sank1> Harvey completely sold out his interest in NYAL Moscode to George Kaye, who was the actual circuit designer, and the remaining interest holder. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Hi Stephen > Out of curiosity With Harvey dying last week who else owned > NYAL and the moscode name? > But a revised version of the minuet in a, the super it > and the tube god would be nice. > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & > > preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & > > circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. > So, > > if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease > > look me up.=) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Jul 26 12:24:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:24:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> <00b601c1157a$09299cc0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3B5FEFCC.C7D1CC2A@concentric.net> I notice that this 43 page Nakamichi publication just went for $28.11 on ebay. Does anyone have any idea what's in it? It was supposed to include "info, schematics, specs, and more." -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 26 12:34:24 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:04:24 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <20010726103424.BA41511493F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Thu Jul 26 14:33:13 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:33:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <004b01c115cf$2a2a18a0$32031fac@brianm> Carl, The fact that you regret selling the ML answers your own question. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Steven, > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp and > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca 1206. > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in the > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > linn keilidh. > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the older > stuff? > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from getting > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with one of > my > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite often. > He > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but didn't > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete directly > with > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great sounding > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too far with > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda doubt > it, > > though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of purchasing > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years ago and > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few years ago > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of NFB. I > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was something on > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great specifications but > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds much > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price or > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to find > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like Electrocompaniet, > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this category > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with the > > > purchase. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > marketing > > > > having > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty > darn > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > > aspects > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > > damn!, > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > D'Agostino(krell) > > must > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's > job > > a > > > > living hell. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days > of > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > > seem > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > Should > > we > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > > skill and > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > What > > name > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > > stereo > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 17:19:26 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:19:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010726045406.D386D114F33@webmail.vsnl.com> <003401c115a7$0cb08020$1c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006901c115e6$5ce530b0$9865fea9@D9569601> My former neighbour uses an adcom gfa535 for his kitchen system; he was going to sell but I told him I'd buy it no questions asked...he reconsidered and kept it. I assume you do not hold the gfa 545 (I've one of those in the garage unused) in the same regard. But, one little amp I am using in the garage to power a pair of spendor ls3/5a speakers is a brysont 1b (not sure of model; 50wpc). This is a sweet little amp; since it is only worth something less than 100 I keep it. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & > preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & > circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. So, > if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease > look me up.=) > A couple of my favorite <$1000(usually) amps: > Nakamichi PA-7II, PA-5II > McIntosh MC2105, MC2505(both late sixties ss amps) > Apt Corp. model One(100w/ch ss) > And, for WAY under a grand, the good old little Adcom GFA-535, one of which > resides in my house as my "in between Moscodes" back up amp. Average $150 > used. Not quite in the same league as the above, but not far off & really > easy to live with. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Looking at Techno babble out there with Magazines screaming great sound > through equipments costing tens of thousands of Dollars ( mark levinson is > also I feel is the victim of hype along with other names); > > I feel strongly that it is possible to get an amp ( or build an Amp ) for > about 1000 $ range for an out put about 100 - 150 W RMS which is sweet on > most of the speakers ( excepting very complex crossovers) with relevent > Technical specs right? > > Stephen > > I tried to look at info on your favourite moscodes thru internet but found > minimal info that they stopped producing around 15 years back. So is there > way to produce them without much of hype for minimal cost? > > Though getting an used one on ebay - I rarely see them and getting it > converted by you for additional 1500 $ would be too much for asian souls > like us. > > > > Moscode concept of hybrid circuitry eliminate bulky output transformers > and make them most attractive unlike other tube amps. > > Are there any way to obtain good amp which performs for minmal cost( less > than 1000 $) > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > >In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > >bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > ><< Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble marketing > > >having > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty darn > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > aspects > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > damn!, > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan D'Agostino(krell) > must > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's job > a > > > living hell. > > > >> > > > > > >I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > > >purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > >products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > seem > > >like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should > we > > >stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > >manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the skill > and > > >assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 17:30:50 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:30:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; appreciate your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact that my Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The damn passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust from worn out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound great and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I only plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been using a Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My experience with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but not fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do know that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but my bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll replace the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp that will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about this amp? What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is supposedly a John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel thx). When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who really could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted that the audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more "electronic". Nothing dramatic. Carl ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get around to shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered subs, > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your main > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other sub > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be half > that or less, probably, on the used market. > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with my > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices for > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. Quite > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the right > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker for a > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, especially > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I have a > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE amps. > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength Cardinals. > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm impedance > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the crossovers > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any kind. > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. So, > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, to me, > means the A/D/S subs only. > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn that > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. The best > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, which > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set of > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone tube > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with two tape > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go with it, > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass such > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty top > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. But > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps are of > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no worries > about over-glossing the sound. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am not > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; just > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power them. > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am going > to > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that > does > > for my SPL. > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small fortune > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an Energy > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it bumps > and > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very nice > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for review > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but I > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the Denon > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for Mark's > > Cello > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I would > be > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the post-Mark > ML > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap Philips > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that told me > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo amp > > and > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca > > 1206. > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in > the > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note p2se > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the > older > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from > > > getting > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with > one > > of > > > > my > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite > > often. > > > > He > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but > > > didn't > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell sales. > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete > directly > > > > with > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great > > sounding > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too > far > > > with > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda > > doubt > > > > it, > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > > purchasing > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years > ago > > > and > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because they > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few > years > > > ago > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of > NFB. > > I > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > something > > > on > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > specifications > > > but > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino has > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The new > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and sounds > > much > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same price > > or > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend to > > > find > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't even > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this > category > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with > the > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > > > > marketing > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were > > pretty > > > > darn > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with > > new > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. > > > And, > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > must > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a > > tech's > > > > job > > > > > a > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the > > days > > > > of > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve > it > > > does > > > > > seem > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? > > > > Should > > > > > we > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from > smaller > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with > > the > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used > gear? > > > > What > > > > > name > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > performing > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 17:42:17 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:42:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell In-Reply-To: <006901c115e6$5ce530b0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: I enjoy my GFA555II's....even though they may not be considered anything much by audiophiles. My ribbon hybrid speakers are horribly inefficient...and these were the biggest power bang for the buck...and to me, the sound fine. Alex > My former neighbour uses an adcom gfa535 for his kitchen system; he was > going to sell but I told him I'd buy it no questions asked...he > reconsidered > and kept it. I assume you do not hold the gfa 545 (I've one of > those in the > garage unused) in the same regard. > > But, one little amp I am using in the garage to power a pair of spendor > ls3/5a speakers is a brysont 1b (not sure of model; 50wpc). This > is a sweet > little amp; since it is only worth something less than 100 I keep it. > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 18:38:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:38:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: In a message dated 7/25/2001 4:41:04 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Sam, I wouldn't be concerned, I believe the best equipment ever made is being made now, save older non-R&D products such as cassette decks. There are many good and great brands producing wonderful equipment. Brian Miller Michigan >> Thanks Brian, that's good to know. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 18:44:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:44:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <12c.1fb3bdb.2891a30a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 5:42:12 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << The Aragons have a very 'robust' (for lack of a less nebulous term) sound. Very clean, but also very 'crisp' and 'forward'. Excellent when HT performance is a consideration. I use them to drive Aerial Acoustics 10T mains, CC3 center and SR3 surrounds. Listening to Verdi's Requiem is a religious experience... -- Ron >> Hey Ron, that does sound like a wonderful "sound" experience. Nice setup. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 18:52:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:52:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <27.18dfb724.2891a4c5@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 7:37:59 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << If you mate Krell with Krell with Krell, you'll have the ultimate in etched, analytical, hard-edged & completely lifeless "music". The common thing to do is to use the equally overpriced Purist Audio Designs cables to roll off the top end, mush up the bass & give some facsimile of a musical system. A Krell amp sounds ass-loads better with a tube preamp in front of it. As for Krell's new speakers, I have not yet seen or heard them, but I can say that the Krell dealer here, who is devoted to Krell, came back from a demo of them really disappointed & does not plan on getting any to sell. The friend of mine who went with him to the demo said "they sucked." >> That's to bad as Krell as a "brand" (warning, the marketing guy in me is about to surface - smile) has a loyal following, high recognition, buyer acceptance, prestige, and respect. Although I've never owned any Krell gear, if this is true I would like to see the company return to building equipment that is worthy of its brand. As Jim so aptly put it, it's all in the listener's ears and system. But I can't help but "feel" for Krell as it takes a long time to establish a brand and one of the fastest ways to erode your brand is to develop equipment/services that are not consistent with the qualities you've built the brand upon. I don't know if that is the case with Krell, just a good brand to manage and market. Maybe I should send them my resume... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 18:55:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:55:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> <00b601c1157a$09299cc0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3B5FEFCC.C7D1CC2A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004001c115f3$c486f660$0a3442cf@sank1> Don't have that paper handy, but I am quite sure that it does not have full schematics, or anything beyond a few basic diagram excerpts. It is pretty much strictly what it says, a technical description of how the CR-7 systems work. Nothing more. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > > I notice that this 43 page Nakamichi publication just > went for $28.11 on ebay. Does anyone have any idea > what's in it? It was supposed to include "info, > schematics, specs, and more." > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 18:54:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:54:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <44.10b9aa60.2891a54f@aol.com> BTW - I didn't mean to insult the baseball fans in this group. It's not Dave but rather Mike Pienza who's fabulous Krell system was featured in Stereo Review several months ago. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 19:05:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:05:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010726103424.BA41511493F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <004601c115f5$385eeb00$0a3442cf@sank1> The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 are the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass meter panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large degree of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound of the amp. Works very, very well. The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & detailed on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold amps. Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Actually one McIntosh 2505 is availble right now in Bangalore along with C28 - it weighs about 45 Pounds! which freigtens me - I need a crane to shift it to my house? > How do you rate this against say later Nak PA5 ? ( which I think will be available and may cost less due partly to Mcintosh name is well known in Amp category. > Since Mcintosh has I think an output transformer like tube amps!and may be much older I am wondering about its serviceabilty. > I do not know the advantage of using transformer in SS amps ? > Incase you start producing moscode with improved design I am reserving one right-away!( though I do not know when I can afford ) > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > >I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & > >preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & > >circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. So, > >if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease > >look me up.=) > >A couple of my favorite <$1000(usually) amps: > >Nakamichi PA-7II, PA-5II > >McIntosh MC2105, MC2505(both late sixties ss amps) > >Apt Corp. model One(100w/ch ss) > >And, for WAY under a grand, the good old little Adcom GFA-535, one of which > >resides in my house as my "in between Moscodes" back up amp. Average $150 > >used. Not quite in the same league as the above, but not far off & really > >easy to live with. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 19:07:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:07:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <20010726045406.D386D114F33@webmail.vsnl.com> <003401c115a7$0cb08020$1c3442cf@sank1> <006901c115e6$5ce530b0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <004e01c115f5$78aa92e0$0a3442cf@sank1> To my ears, Adcom has never built anything quite as great sounding as the little GFA-535. The 545 was not far off, though. I wasn't aware that any Bryston amp, ever, could be worth less than a few hundred. Very nice amps & well built, but a little dry for my tastes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > My former neighbour uses an adcom gfa535 for his kitchen system; he was > going to sell but I told him I'd buy it no questions asked...he reconsidered > and kept it. I assume you do not hold the gfa 545 (I've one of those in the > garage unused) in the same regard. > > But, one little amp I am using in the garage to power a pair of spendor > ls3/5a speakers is a brysont 1b (not sure of model; 50wpc). This is a sweet > little amp; since it is only worth something less than 100 I keep it. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I am actually working on a deal to produce new, upgraded Moscode amps & > > preamps. The only hold up is money to finance the purchase of the label & > > circuit designs from the remaining owner & to finance early production. > So, > > if anybody out there has a couple of hundred grand to invest, pleeeeeease > > look me up.=) > > A couple of my favorite <$1000(usually) amps: > > Nakamichi PA-7II, PA-5II > > McIntosh MC2105, MC2505(both late sixties ss amps) > > Apt Corp. model One(100w/ch ss) > > And, for WAY under a grand, the good old little Adcom GFA-535, one of > which > > resides in my house as my "in between Moscodes" back up amp. Average $150 > > used. Not quite in the same league as the above, but not far off & really > > easy to live with. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > Looking at Techno babble out there with Magazines screaming great sound > > through equipments costing tens of thousands of Dollars ( mark levinson is > > also I feel is the victim of hype along with other names); > > > I feel strongly that it is possible to get an amp ( or build an Amp ) > for > > about 1000 $ range for an out put about 100 - 150 W RMS which is sweet on > > most of the speakers ( excepting very complex crossovers) with relevent > > Technical specs right? > > > Stephen > > > I tried to look at info on your favourite moscodes thru internet but > found > > minimal info that they stopped producing around 15 years back. So is there > > way to produce them without much of hype for minimal cost? > > > Though getting an used one on ebay - I rarely see them and getting it > > converted by you for additional 1500 $ would be too much for asian souls > > like us. > > > > > > Moscode concept of hybrid circuitry eliminate bulky output transformers > > and make them most attractive unlike other tube amps. > > > Are there any way to obtain good amp which performs for minmal cost( > less > > than 1000 $) > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:35 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > >bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > ><< Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > marketing > > > >having > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were pretty > darn > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up with new > > aspects > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have become > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound suffering. And, > > damn!, > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > D'Agostino(krell) > > must > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a tech's > job > > a > > > > living hell. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like the days of > > > >purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is OEM'ing > > > >products by someone else, although the appearances may improve it does > > seem > > > >like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to do? Should > > we > > > >stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from smaller > > > >manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running with the > skill > > and > > > >assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used gear? > What > > name > > > >brands are left that still produce high quality and high performing > > stereo > > > >equipment? > > > > > > > >-SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 19:06:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:06:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <2b.18c5297b.2891a822@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 9:24:31 PM Central Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << Finally there are other fine and reasonably priced amps by Odessy, Marsh and Arcam to start Warren >> Hi Warren, What are the URL's for Odessy and Marsh as a google search is to broad to locate those websites. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 26 19:12:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:12:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best amps in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of current. I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, either. I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; appreciate > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact that my > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The damn > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust from worn > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound great > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I only > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been using a > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My experience > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but not > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do know > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but my > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll replace > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp that > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about this > amp? > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is supposedly a > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel thx). > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who really > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted that the > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more "electronic". > Nothing dramatic. > > Carl > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get around to > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered subs, > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your main > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other sub > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be half > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with my > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices for > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. Quite > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the right > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker for > a > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > especially > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I have a > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE amps. > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength Cardinals. > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > impedance > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the crossovers > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any > kind. > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. > So, > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, to > me, > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn that > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. The > best > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, > which > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set of > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone tube > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with two > tape > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go with > it, > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass such > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty top > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. But > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps are > of > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no worries > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am > not > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; > just > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power > them. > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am > going > > to > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that > > does > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small fortune > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an > Energy > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it bumps > > and > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very > nice > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for > review > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but I > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the Denon > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for Mark's > > > Cello > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I would > > be > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the post-Mark > > ML > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap > Philips > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that told > me > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo > amp > > > and > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound hca > > > 1206. > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back in > > the > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note > p2se > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the > > older > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space from > > > > getting > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks with > > one > > > of > > > > > my > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite > > > often. > > > > > He > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, but > > > > didn't > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell > sales. > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete > > directly > > > > > with > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great > > > sounding > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went too > > far > > > > with > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. Kinda > > > doubt > > > > > it, > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few years > > ago > > > > and > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because > they > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few > > years > > > > ago > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use of > > NFB. > > > I > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > > something > > > > on > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > specifications > > > > but > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino > has > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The > new > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and > sounds > > > much > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same > price > > > or > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I tend > to > > > > find > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't > even > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this > > category > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy with > > the > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of techno-babble > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were > > > pretty > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up > with > > > new > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have > become > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > suffering. > > > > And, > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making a > > > tech's > > > > > job > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like > the > > > days > > > > > of > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone is > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may improve > > it > > > > does > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to > do? > > > > > Should > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from > > smaller > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running > with > > > the > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used > > gear? > > > > > What > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > > performing > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 19:27:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:27:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 are the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass meter panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large degree of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound of the amp. Works very, very well. The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & detailed on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold amps. Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. >> Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, it would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would sound fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I understand some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment but that the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while this thread is going on... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 19:33:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:33:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <31.182f60ff.2891ae73@aol.com> Hey Stephen, You've mentioned the Nakamichi PA-7II and PA-5II on several occasions as being some of your favorites. I'm not familiar with them, what is it about them that you like so much? And, does anyone on this list have a review I could read? Finally, would these amps work in a 5.1 surround system. (Honestly, if I upgrade I would move to a home theater setup...) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 19:37:27 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:37:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <010101c115f9$ab644600$9865fea9@D9569601> Sounds like your little guys will make bass as good, or better, than the linn keilidhs. What's the price on these puppies? What would the shipping be to the sf bay area? What about the bryston amp I have; the little one? Any opinion on that? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best amps > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of current. > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, either. > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; appreciate > > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact that > my > > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The damn > > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust from > worn > > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound > great > > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I only > > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been using a > > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My experience > > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but not > > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do know > > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but my > > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll > replace > > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. > > > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp > that > > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about > this > > amp? > > > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is supposedly a > > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel thx). > > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who really > > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted that > the > > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more "electronic". > > Nothing dramatic. > > > > Carl > > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get around > to > > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered > subs, > > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed > > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your > main > > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other > sub > > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be > half > > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with > my > > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices > for > > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. > Quite > > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the right > > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker > for > > a > > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > > especially > > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I have > a > > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual > > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE > amps. > > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength > Cardinals. > > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > > impedance > > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the > crossovers > > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any > > kind. > > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. > > So, > > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, to > > me, > > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn > that > > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of > > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. The > > best > > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, > > which > > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set of > > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone tube > > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with two > > tape > > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go with > > it, > > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass > such > > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty top > > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. > But > > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps are > > of > > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no > worries > > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am > > not > > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; > > just > > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh > > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power > > them. > > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am > > going > > > to > > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that > > > does > > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small > fortune > > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an > > Energy > > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it > bumps > > > and > > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very > > nice > > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for > > review > > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but > I > > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape > > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the > Denon > > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for > Mark's > > > > Cello > > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I > would > > > be > > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the > post-Mark > > > ML > > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap > > Philips > > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that > told > > me > > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo > > amp > > > > and > > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound > hca > > > > 1206. > > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back > in > > > the > > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note > > p2se > > > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the > > > older > > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space > from > > > > > getting > > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks > with > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite > > > > often. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, > but > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell > > sales. > > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete > > > directly > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great > > > > sounding > > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went > too > > > far > > > > > with > > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. > Kinda > > > > doubt > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few > years > > > ago > > > > > and > > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because > > they > > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few > > > years > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use > of > > > NFB. > > > > I > > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > > > something > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > > specifications > > > > > but > > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino > > has > > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The > > new > > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and > > sounds > > > > much > > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same > > price > > > > or > > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I > tend > > to > > > > > find > > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't > > even > > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this > > > category > > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy > with > > > the > > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight > Time, > > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of > techno-babble > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were > > > > pretty > > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up > > with > > > > new > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have > > become > > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > > suffering. > > > > > And, > > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making > a > > > > tech's > > > > > > job > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like > > the > > > > days > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone > is > > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may > improve > > > it > > > > > does > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to > > do? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used > > > gear? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > > > performing > > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 26 19:42:15 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:42:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <013401c115fa$5047e1e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Can the audio note be upgraded to eliminate your "but" ? Or, am I better off selling it (what is it worth; don't have that big book you guys use to price equipment) and buying something else? Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best amps > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of current. > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, either. > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; appreciate > > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact that > my > > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The damn > > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust from > worn > > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound > great > > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I only > > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been using a > > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My experience > > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but not > > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do know > > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but my > > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll > replace > > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. > > > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp > that > > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about > this > > amp? > > > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is supposedly a > > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel thx). > > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who really > > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted that > the > > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more "electronic". > > Nothing dramatic. > > > > Carl > > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get around > to > > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered > subs, > > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed > > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your > main > > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other > sub > > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be > half > > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with > my > > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices > for > > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. > Quite > > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the right > > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker > for > > a > > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > > especially > > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I have > a > > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual > > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE > amps. > > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength > Cardinals. > > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > > impedance > > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the > crossovers > > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any > > kind. > > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. > > So, > > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, to > > me, > > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn > that > > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of > > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. The > > best > > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, > > which > > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set of > > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone tube > > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with two > > tape > > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go with > > it, > > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass > such > > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty top > > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. > But > > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps are > > of > > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no > worries > > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I am > > not > > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin cloths; > > just > > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn Keilidh > > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power > > them. > > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am > > going > > > to > > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what that > > > does > > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small > fortune > > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an > > Energy > > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it > bumps > > > and > > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very > > nice > > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for > > review > > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer but > I > > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a tape > > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the > Denon > > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for > Mark's > > > > Cello > > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an upward > > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I > would > > > be > > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the > post-Mark > > > ML > > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap > > Philips > > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that > told > > me > > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 stereo > > amp > > > > and > > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound > hca > > > > 1206. > > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back > in > > > the > > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio note > > p2se > > > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as the > > > older > > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space > from > > > > > getting > > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks > with > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did quite > > > > often. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, > but > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell > > sales. > > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete > > > directly > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & great > > > > sounding > > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went > too > > > far > > > > > with > > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. > Kinda > > > > doubt > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few > years > > > ago > > > > > and > > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because > > they > > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a few > > > years > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use > of > > > NFB. > > > > I > > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > > > something > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > > specifications > > > > > but > > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan D'Agostino > > has > > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. The > > new > > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and > > sounds > > > > much > > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same > > price > > > > or > > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I > tend > > to > > > > > find > > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer wouldn't > > even > > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this > > > category > > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy > with > > > the > > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight > Time, > > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of > techno-babble > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps were > > > > pretty > > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come up > > with > > > > new > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have > > become > > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > > suffering. > > > > > And, > > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for making > a > > > > tech's > > > > > > job > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems like > > the > > > > days > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone > is > > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may > improve > > > it > > > > > does > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we to > > do? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase used > > > gear? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > > > performing > > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jul 26 19:48:33 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:48:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: Message-ID: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> Hi Sam, Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not just for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 are > the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be > "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but > without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is > 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w > continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap > failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass meter > panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about > future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to > present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large degree > of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound of > the amp. Works very, very well. > The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. > Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & detailed > on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold amps. > Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into > upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. > >> > > Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it > goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, it > would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would sound > fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my > experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I understand > some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment but that > the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while this > thread is going on... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 19:56:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:56:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <7f.17c05456.2891b3d0@aol.com> In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Hi Sam, Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not just for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! Brian Miller Michigan >> Hi Brian, Good points. Again, having only heard them in the CB arena, they were worth it. But that is a totally different application and the wear and tear is different. Although, many of my old CB radio buddies who used tube radios had to eventually get rid of them because they could no longer find replacement tubes. So even in that limited application the wear and tear was an issue. But the sound, oh the sound. Personally, from the limited experience I've had with ML, I like the current crop of stuff. Again, once you enter the vast neverland of audiophiles it can become a fog of opinions and hype. I do believe the final judge is the listener's ear and listening environment. Although my current crop of gear wouldn't impress an audiophile on paper, everyone who's heard my system walks away impressed, despite my Yamaha's crispy highs. So I don't put to much weight into opinions once we are into the audiophile arena. I am a little surprised to see a Krell mention spark so much interest, controversy and discussion. Again, like Mark Levinson Krell would be a nice brand to manage, grow and market. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jul 26 19:07:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:07:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... Message-ID: <3e.ef68089.2891a858@aol.com> In a message dated 7/25/2001 9:32:57 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Easy. You buy a pair of my speakers, my biggest custom-built Moscode amp, my custom-built Moscode preamp, and then squeeze out some decent front end equipment from what's left.=0) >> Hey Stephen, Do you have any pics? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jul 26 20:16:30 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:16:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <7f.17c05456.2891b3d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <00be01c115ff$1977a600$32031fac@brianm> I am not at all surprised that it sparked so much interest, nor the fact ML was brought up soon after. People are always shooting at the top, ask Bill Gates. Krell specifically has a love it or hate it reaction from people. I have never heard it so I cannot comment. And as one poster has already said, we all have our different preferences, in music and it's reproduction. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time, > brianm at grar.com writes: > > << Hi Sam, > > Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not just > for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > Brian Miller > Michigan >> > > Hi Brian, > > Good points. Again, having only heard them in the CB arena, they were worth > it. But that is a totally different application and the wear and tear is > different. Although, many of my old CB radio buddies who used tube radios > had to eventually get rid of them because they could no longer find > replacement tubes. So even in that limited application the wear and tear was > an issue. But the sound, oh the sound. > > Personally, from the limited experience I've had with ML, I like the current > crop of stuff. Again, once you enter the vast neverland of audiophiles it > can become a fog of opinions and hype. I do believe the final judge is the > listener's ear and listening environment. Although my current crop of gear > wouldn't impress an audiophile on paper, everyone who's heard my system walks > away impressed, despite my Yamaha's crispy highs. So I don't put to much > weight into opinions once we are into the audiophile arena. > > I am a little surprised to see a Krell mention spark so much interest, > controversy and discussion. Again, like Mark Levinson Krell would be a nice > brand to manage, grow and market. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 26 21:29:08 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:29:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <2b.18c5297b.2891a822@aol.com> Message-ID: <003701c11609$3dd572c0$1ff53fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Sam First let me point you to this list it has almost all the audio sites you could need http://www.wssh.net/~wattsup/arsl.html Marsh is at http://www.marshsounddesign.com/ Odyessy is at http://www.odysseyaudio.com/ they are Us versions of symphonic line amps hth warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/25/2001 9:24:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: > > << Finally there are other fine and reasonably priced amps by Odessy, Marsh > and > Arcam > to start > Warren >> > Hi Warren, > > What are the URL's for Odessy and Marsh as a google search is to broad to > locate those websites. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Fri Jul 27 02:39:20 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:39:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <7f.17c05456.2891b3d0@aol.com> <00be01c115ff$1977a600$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003901c11634$93934fe0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> regarding high end amps and home theater: I had 3 (yes 3) Krell KSA-250's driving Acoustat spectra 3's, with acoustat 1's for center and surrounds...wonderful?? absolutely, however, even in the winter, the a/c ran in the theater, as these beasts got really, really hot... At this point, I'm building a home theater just for 5 channel reproduction, based on a receiver (egads!!!) using smaller speakers with 2 15" subs. Not quite the wow factor when you walk in, but in alot of ways as wonderful to listen to..though I do miss my Krells and spectra 3's, hope the ex gets a hernia moving them and dies...(not really, just really, really hurts for a while, a real long while) erie PS, if anyone sees a pair of spectra 3's for sale, let me know, as for what these go for used, lotsa bang for the buck; if you have the room for them. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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InnerSound has a similar design in the works, designed specifically for their hybrid electrostats. Should be VERY interesting. Hope your system is back to quality level that you were used to, soon. Cheers, Jim Volpatti erie patsellis wrote: > > regarding high end amps and home theater: > > I had 3 (yes 3) Krell KSA-250's driving Acoustat spectra 3's, with > acoustat 1's for center and surrounds...wonderful?? absolutely, > however, even in the winter, the a/c ran in the theater, as these beasts > got really, really hot... > > At this point, I'm building a home theater just for 5 channel reproduction, > based on a receiver (egads!!!) using smaller speakers with 2 15" subs. > Not quite the wow factor when you walk in, but in alot of ways as wonderful > to listen to..though I do miss my Krells and spectra 3's, hope the ex gets > a hernia > moving them and dies...(not really, just really, really hurts for a while, a > real long while) > > erie > > PS, if anyone sees a pair of spectra 3's for sale, let me know, as for what > these > go for used, lotsa bang for the buck; if you have the room for them. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 02:32:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:32:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... References: <3e.ef68089.2891a858@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c11633$91c90ca0$193442cf@sank1> On my website, Sam. Duh!=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Krell, ML, and a dream system ... > In a message dated 7/25/2001 9:32:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Easy. You buy a pair of my speakers, my biggest custom-built Moscode amp, > my custom-built Moscode preamp, and then squeeze out some decent front end > equipment from what's left.=0) >> > > Hey Stephen, > > Do you have any pics? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 02:48:22 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:48:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: Message-ID: <003f01c11635$d6eb30e0$193442cf@sank1> The best treatise I have ever read on the "why's" of using tubes in audio equipment is the late Harvey Rosenberg's "Understanding Tube Electronics". I own only a promotional excerpt from it, which I'll scan & email to you when I have a chance. My personal main reason for being a tube-head is that I have never heard much, if any, of the third dimension of space in solid state amplification, i.e., depth & forwardness, the "z axis". This is what my favorite ss amps & preamps lack. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 are > the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be > "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but > without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is > 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w > continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap > failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass meter > panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about > future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to > present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large degree > of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound of > the amp. Works very, very well. > The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. > Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & detailed > on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold amps. > Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into > upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. > >> > > Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it > goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, it > would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would sound > fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my > experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I understand > some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment but that > the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while this > thread is going on... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 02:51:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:51:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <31.182f60ff.2891ae73@aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c11636$37f47fe0$193442cf@sank1> As I've said, I regard the Nak PA-5/7/II amps as an improved expression of Threshold's "zero global feedback" Stasis topology. They have a silky smooth, detailed top end "cleanness" that's hard to match. And they're pretty great at the rest of the spectrum, too. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Hey Stephen, > > You've mentioned the Nakamichi PA-7II and PA-5II on several occasions as > being some of your favorites. I'm not familiar with them, what is it about > them that you like so much? And, does anyone on this list have a review I > could read? Finally, would these amps work in a 5.1 surround system. > (Honestly, if I upgrade I would move to a home theater setup...) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 02:59:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:59:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <013401c115fa$5047e1e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <005601c11637$57014d40$193442cf@sank1> I didn't mean to imply that your Audionote wasn't a "keeper". Just that it's not the ideal amp for every efficient speaker. If you love the Linn speakers, then you probably won't want to keep it. But, a different pair of speakers may be heavenly with it. My little speakers are $1800 retail, $1500 to any Naktalker, including domestic USA shipping.(But $1800 to any Naktalker who gets on my case about self promotion!=) I'm just trying to be helpful, here.) I currently have only one "demo" pair, which are in North Carolina at the moment. If you like, I can see if I can put you in contact with the client I spoke of that uses them with low power SE amps, who would be happy to share his opinions, I'm sure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Can the audio note be upgraded to eliminate your "but" ? Or, am I better off > selling it (what is it worth; don't have that big book you guys use to price > equipment) and buying something else? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > amps > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > current. > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > either. > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; > appreciate > > > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact > that > > my > > > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The damn > > > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust from > > worn > > > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound > > great > > > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > > > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I only > > > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been using > a > > > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My > experience > > > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but > not > > > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do > know > > > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but my > > > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll > > replace > > > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. > > > > > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp > > that > > > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > > > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > > > > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about > > this > > > amp? > > > > > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is supposedly > a > > > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel thx). > > > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who really > > > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted that > > the > > > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more "electronic". > > > Nothing dramatic. > > > > > > Carl > > > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get around > > to > > > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered > > subs, > > > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well designed > > > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > > > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed your > > main > > > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no other > > sub > > > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be > > half > > > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere with > > my > > > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST choices > > for > > > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. > > Quite > > > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the > right > > > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a speaker > > for > > > a > > > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > > > especially > > > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I > have > > a > > > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a mutual > > > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE > > amps. > > > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength > > Cardinals. > > > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > > > impedance > > > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the > > crossovers > > > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of any > > > kind. > > > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > > > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a sub. > > > So, > > > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, which, > to > > > me, > > > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a darn > > that > > > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out of > > > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. > The > > > best > > > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in A, > > > which > > > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a set > of > > > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone > tube > > > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with > two > > > tape > > > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > > > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go > with > > > it, > > > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass > > such > > > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty > top > > > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my favorites. > > But > > > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps > are > > > of > > > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no > > worries > > > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I > am > > > not > > > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin > cloths; > > > just > > > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn > Keilidh > > > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to power > > > them. > > > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I am > > > going > > > > to > > > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what > that > > > > does > > > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small > > fortune > > > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; an > > > Energy > > > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it > > bumps > > > > and > > > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a very > > > nice > > > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for > > > review > > > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer > but > > I > > > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a > tape > > > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the > > Denon > > > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; 1980 > > > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for > > Mark's > > > > > Cello > > > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an > upward > > > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I > > would > > > > be > > > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the > > post-Mark > > > > ML > > > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap > > > Philips > > > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that > > told > > > me > > > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 > stereo > > > amp > > > > > and > > > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a parasound > > hca > > > > > 1206. > > > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going back > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio > note > > > p2se > > > > > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as > the > > > > older > > > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space > > from > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks > > with > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did > quite > > > > > often. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his showroom, > > but > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell > > > sales. > > > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that compete > > > > directly > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & > great > > > > > sounding > > > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they went > > too > > > > far > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. > > Kinda > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake of > > > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few > > years > > > > ago > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later because > > > they > > > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a > few > > > > years > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive use > > of > > > > NFB. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > > > > something > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > > > specifications > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan > D'Agostino > > > has > > > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. > The > > > new > > > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and > > > sounds > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the same > > > price > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I > > tend > > > to > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer > wouldn't > > > even > > > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in this > > > > category > > > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of > > techno-babble > > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps > were > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come > up > > > with > > > > > new > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. have > > > become > > > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > > > suffering. > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for > making > > a > > > > > tech's > > > > > > > job > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems > like > > > the > > > > > days > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. Everyone > > is > > > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may > > improve > > > > it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we > to > > > do? > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase from > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear running > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase > used > > > > gear? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette > > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 27 03:19:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:19:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003601c1163a$34754760$59289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, quick question ... what about Brystons ? transparent + solid bass. How do you regard 4B compared to Nak PAs - and to Parasound ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best amps > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of current. > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, either. > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 03:50:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:50:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <003601c1163a$34754760$59289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00f901c1163e$7f8e4c20$193442cf@sank1> Bryston & Parasound might keep up with a PA-7II on bass & "clean" sound, but the Nak will excel over them in top end smoothness & midrange finesse. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > Stephen, quick question ... what about Brystons ? transparent + solid bass. > How do you regard 4B compared to Nak PAs - and to Parasound ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > amps > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > current. > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > either. > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jul 27 04:14:53 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:14:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps References: <20010725.230522.-314101.1.josephj69@juno.com> <002901c115a4$92f90e20$1c3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B60CE9A.B3AADA9D@snet.net> Stephen, what would be your opinion on the Spectral DMP-6 in particular? Thanks, Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > The Krell PAM series preamps are among the worst of the Krells. After their > mandatory 24 hour warm up, they still sound pretty damned dismal & abrasive. > The only preamp I would recommend even a little bit is the old KRS-2. Might > be able to get one for a grand used. I would more heartily recommend *any* > Spectral preamp, or a conrad-johnson PF-1 or PF-2(all FET solid state). As > good sound as you're likely to hear in solid state. I don't recall which of > these might have two tape loops, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 05:01:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:01:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <7e.185c6f0f.28923371@aol.com> In a message dated 7/26/2001 7:48:59 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The best treatise I have ever read on the "why's" of using tubes in audio equipment is the late Harvey Rosenberg's "Understanding Tube Electronics". I own only a promotional excerpt from it, which I'll scan & email to you when I have a chance. My personal main reason for being a tube-head is that I have never heard much, if any, of the third dimension of space in solid state amplification, i.e., depth & forwardness, the "z axis". This is what my favorite ss amps & preamps lack. >> Let me check my local library as it is very extensive. I'll let you know if I find the entire text. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 05:05:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:05:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <6f.187ffcfe.28923481@aol.com> In a message dated 7/26/2001 7:50:34 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << As I've said, I regard the Nak PA-5/7/II amps as an improved expression of Threshold's "zero global feedback" Stasis topology. They have a silky smooth, detailed top end "cleanness" that's hard to match. And they're pretty great at the rest of the spectrum, too. >> Don't get me wrong, the Nak PA-7 would look very nice in my system and I'm sure it has more than enough punch to drive my Polk's. However, is there a preamp suited for surround sound? And then of course I would have to purchase a tuner. Man this stereo stuff can get expensive. I thought about using my R-9 Receiver as a tuner/preamp with some modification (e.g. could then use the Nak PA-7), but I still would be without the ability to enjoy 5.1 surround sound without some clever workarounds. Any thoughts? _Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 05:54:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:54:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <9e.17c244c8.28923ff0@aol.com> In a message dated 7/26/2001 2:29:49 PM Central Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << Hi Sam First let me point you to this list it has almost all the audio sites you could need http://www.wssh.net/~wattsup/arsl.html Marsh is at http://www.marshsounddesign.com/ Odyessy is at http://www.odysseyaudio.com/ they are Us versions of symphonic line amps hth warren >> Thank you Warren! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 27 06:38:25 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:38:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps References: <20010725.230522.-314101.1.josephj69@juno.com> <002901c115a4$92f90e20$1c3442cf@sank1> <3B60CE9A.B3AADA9D@snet.net> Message-ID: <000601c11656$173a2690$9865fea9@D9569601> Yes, Opinion on an all Spectral system...preamp, amp, interconnects, processor....might be able to pick some up used. I had a spectral preamp once upon a time; best piece of equipment I have ever owned even if only from the way it was put together. It sounded very nice, too; sold it to finance a home theatre system. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps > Stephen, what would be your opinion on the Spectral DMP-6 in particular? > > Thanks, > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The Krell PAM series preamps are among the worst of the Krells. After their > > mandatory 24 hour warm up, they still sound pretty damned dismal & abrasive. > > The only preamp I would recommend even a little bit is the old KRS-2. Might > > be able to get one for a grand used. I would more heartily recommend *any* > > Spectral preamp, or a conrad-johnson PF-1 or PF-2(all FET solid state). As > > good sound as you're likely to hear in solid state. I don't recall which of > > these might have two tape loops, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 27 03:44:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:44:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <013401c115fa$5047e1e0$9865fea9@D9569601> <005601c11637$57014d40$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c11655$43db95e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Stephen, Please put me in touch with this person. Can you recommend any other tube amps that might have a bit more power and available used? I once had a Mcintosh mc225; sold it for 500 with bad tubes. I could not find any of the rca 7591a tubes; one fellow offered to sell me a matched set for 450...I sold the amp. Anyway, I am not familiar at all with what is out there other than the mainstream tube stuff of Mcintosh, AR Research, Golden Tube, and Audio Note. The P2 Audio Note stuff looks like crap and the higher end is simply too expensive. Thanks, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I didn't mean to imply that your Audionote wasn't a "keeper". Just that > it's not the ideal amp for every efficient speaker. If you love the Linn > speakers, then you probably won't want to keep it. But, a different pair of > speakers may be heavenly with it. > My little speakers are $1800 retail, $1500 to any Naktalker, including > domestic USA shipping.(But $1800 to any Naktalker who gets on my case about > self promotion!=) I'm just trying to be helpful, here.) I currently have > only one "demo" pair, which are in North Carolina at the moment. If you > like, I can see if I can put you in contact with the client I spoke of that > uses them with low power SE amps, who would be happy to share his opinions, > I'm sure. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Can the audio note be upgraded to eliminate your "but" ? Or, am I better > off > > selling it (what is it worth; don't have that big book you guys use to > price > > equipment) and buying something else? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go > solidly > > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at > 30. > > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > > amps > > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just > not > > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > > current. > > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > > either. > > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; > > appreciate > > > > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact > > that > > > my > > > > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The > damn > > > > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust > from > > > worn > > > > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still sound > > > great > > > > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > > > > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I > only > > > > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been > using > > a > > > > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My > > experience > > > > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK but > > not > > > > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I do > > know > > > > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but > my > > > > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll > > > replace > > > > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old example. > > > > > > > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended amp > > > that > > > > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > > > > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > > > > > > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular about > > > this > > > > amp? > > > > > > > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is > supposedly > > a > > > > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel > thx). > > > > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who > really > > > > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted > that > > > the > > > > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more > "electronic". > > > > Nothing dramatic. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get > around > > > to > > > > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S powered > > > subs, > > > > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well > designed > > > > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You can > > > > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed > your > > > main > > > > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no > other > > > sub > > > > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd be > > > half > > > > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > > > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere > with > > > my > > > > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST > choices > > > for > > > > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an Audionote. > > > Quite > > > > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the > > right > > > > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a > speaker > > > for > > > > a > > > > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > > > > especially > > > > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but I > > have > > > a > > > > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a > mutual > > > > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt SE > > > amps. > > > > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength > > > Cardinals. > > > > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > > > > impedance > > > > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the > > > crossovers > > > > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of > any > > > > kind. > > > > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a 50Hz > > > > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a > sub. > > > > So, > > > > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, > which, > > to > > > > me, > > > > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > > > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a > darn > > > that > > > > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now out > of > > > > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. > > The > > > > best > > > > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet in > A, > > > > which > > > > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a > set > > of > > > > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone > > tube > > > > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and with > > two > > > > tape > > > > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me for > > > > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to go > > with > > > > it, > > > > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly embarass > > > such > > > > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a pretty > > top > > > > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > > > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my > favorites. > > > But > > > > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these preamps > > are > > > > of > > > > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no > > > worries > > > > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? I > > am > > > > not > > > > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin > > cloths; > > > > just > > > > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn > > Keilidh > > > > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to > power > > > > them. > > > > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I > am > > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see what > > that > > > > > does > > > > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small > > > fortune > > > > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; > an > > > > Energy > > > > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; it > > > bumps > > > > > and > > > > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a > very > > > > nice > > > > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick for > > > > review > > > > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse woofer > > but > > > I > > > > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or less). > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a > > tape > > > > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have the > > > Denon > > > > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; > 1980 > > > > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for > > > Mark's > > > > > > Cello > > > > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an > > upward > > > > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And I > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the > > > post-Mark > > > > > ML > > > > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & cheap > > > > Philips > > > > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, that > > > told > > > > me > > > > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 > > stereo > > > > amp > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a > parasound > > > hca > > > > > > 1206. > > > > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going > back > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio > > note > > > > p2se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good as > > the > > > > > older > > > > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented space > > > from > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c monoblocks > > > with > > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did > > quite > > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his > showroom, > > > but > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his Krell > > > > sales. > > > > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that > compete > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & > > great > > > > > > sounding > > > > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they > went > > > too > > > > > far > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. > > > Kinda > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the mistake > of > > > > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a few > > > years > > > > > ago > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later > because > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from a > > few > > > > > years > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive > use > > > of > > > > > NFB. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it was > > > > > something > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > > > > specifications > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan > > D'Agostino > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of NFB. > > The > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm and > > > > sounds > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the > same > > > > price > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. I > > > tend > > > > to > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer > > wouldn't > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in > this > > > > > category > > > > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very happy > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central Daylight > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of > > > techno-babble > > > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first amps > > were > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to come > > up > > > > with > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. > have > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > > > > suffering. > > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for > > making > > > a > > > > > > tech's > > > > > > > > job > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems > > like > > > > the > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. > Everyone > > > is > > > > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may > > > improve > > > > > it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are we > > to > > > > do? > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase > from > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear > running > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only purchase > > used > > > > > gear? > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and high > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 07:12:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:12:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/2001 11:46:38 PM Central Daylight Time, c123666 at earthlink.net writes: << Yes, Opinion on an all Spectral system...preamp, amp, interconnects, processor....might be able to pick some up used. I had a spectral preamp once upon a time; best piece of equipment I have ever owned even if only from the way it was put together. It sounded very nice, too; sold it to finance a home theatre system. Regards, Carl >> Hi Carl, I should speak with you offline from Naktalkers as maybe you can help me understand all the stuff I'm reading about home theater systems. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 07:49:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:49:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <013401c115fa$5047e1e0$9865fea9@D9569601> <005601c11637$57014d40$193442cf@sank1> <000001c11655$43db95e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <012b01c1165f$ea963020$193442cf@sank1> Carl, I've forwarded your email address to my speaker client with the SET amps. As far as only-tubes amps, I'll say right off that I would have absolutely no problem alternating between a Moscode hybrid & a stock Marantz 8B(original, not re-issue) with Dutch Amperex EL-34 or Genalex Gold Lion KT-77 output tubes installed. Positively not transparent, but so incredibly gorgeous that I don't give a crap. Only hitch is $1800-2500 for the amp, and another $400-900 for the output tubes. But such output tubes, fortunately, last many times longer than cheaper output tubes. Absolutely addictive listening experience. Audio heroin. A Mac MC225 is not too far down the list from the 8B, meaning my "tube amps to get" list. Terrible shame that you sold it. Just a small wiring change to each output tube socket & a slight adjustment of the bias supply & it will run EL-34/KT-77 tubes beautifully. I was never a fan of the 7591 tube. Above the MC225 on my list is the MC275 or pair of MC75's. Especially with Genalex KT-88's, which was actually a factory option in the old days, instead of the standard GE 6550A's. Others on the upper end of my list are: conrad-johnson Premier 4 & Premier 11A, Golden Tube SE-40(with NOS GE or RCA tubes)(company extinct), Marantz 9's(of course), and absolutely NO Audio Research amps! ARC amps(and preamps) run the tubes WAY too hot, causing frequent catastrophic failures which tend to burn up other parts, and they are AWFUL to work on. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Stephen, > > Please put me in touch with this person. Can you recommend any other tube > amps that might have a bit more power and available used? I once had a > Mcintosh mc225; sold it for 500 with bad tubes. I could not find any of the > rca 7591a tubes; one fellow offered to sell me a matched set for 450...I > sold the amp. Anyway, I am not familiar at all with what is out there other > than the mainstream tube stuff of Mcintosh, AR Research, Golden Tube, and > Audio Note. The P2 Audio Note stuff looks like crap and the higher end is > simply too expensive. > > Thanks, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > I didn't mean to imply that your Audionote wasn't a "keeper". Just that > > it's not the ideal amp for every efficient speaker. If you love the Linn > > speakers, then you probably won't want to keep it. But, a different pair > of > > speakers may be heavenly with it. > > My little speakers are $1800 retail, $1500 to any Naktalker, including > > domestic USA shipping.(But $1800 to any Naktalker who gets on my case > about > > self promotion!=) I'm just trying to be helpful, here.) I currently have > > only one "demo" pair, which are in North Carolina at the moment. If you > > like, I can see if I can put you in contact with the client I spoke of > that > > uses them with low power SE amps, who would be happy to share his > opinions, > > I'm sure. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > Can the audio note be upgraded to eliminate your "but" ? Or, am I better > > off > > > selling it (what is it worth; don't have that big book you guys use to > > price > > > equipment) and buying something else? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go > > solidly > > > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at > > 30. > > > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the > best > > > amps > > > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just > > not > > > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > > > current. > > > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > > > either. > > > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:30 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for the information. I do like these linn speakers; > > > appreciate > > > > > your comments. The original motivation for buying them was the fact > > > that > > > > my > > > > > Thiel cs2.2 speakers are falling apart; so much for longevity. The > > damn > > > > > passive radiators fell backwards into the speakers; there was dust > > from > > > > worn > > > > > out materials on the bottom. My 30 yr old spendor ls35a's still > sound > > > > great > > > > > and only cost me 300/pr! Anyway, the Linns were found as a quick > > > > > replacement for the Thiels and for use in a home theatre system. I > > only > > > > > plugged in the Audio Note when the prior owner told me he had been > > using > > > a > > > > > Wavelength Duetto amp and he was pleased with the results. My > > > experience > > > > > with a prior pair of Linn Tukans showed my that the Linn works OK > but > > > not > > > > > fantastic. So, I will probably be in the speaker market again. I > do > > > know > > > > > that this little tube amp cannot drive the ls3/5a's worth a damn but > > my > > > > > bryston 1b (50wpc) makes them hop and sounds very nice; perhaps I'll > > > > replace > > > > > the audio note with the bryston. It is about a ten year old > example. > > > > > > > > > > Who makes a speaker that will work well with a little single ended > amp > > > > that > > > > > will make an honest 30 hz? I glanced at the page for your speakers; > > > > > expensive but cheap in comparison..you know what I mean. > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say "especially an audio note"? Something particular > about > > > > this > > > > > amp? > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the parasound stuff? The amp I have is > > supposedly > > > a > > > > > John Curl design for what it is worth; model hca 1206 (six channel > > thx). > > > > > When we compared the parasound to the audio note my fiancee, who > > really > > > > > could care less and is quite pleased with her bose soundwave, noted > > that > > > > the > > > > > audio note sounded more "engaging" and the parasound more > > "electronic". > > > > > Nothing dramatic. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > ps: I have those vintage akg tube mics in my hands now; I'll get > > around > > > > to > > > > > shipping them to you one day. You are the mic fellow, right? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:39 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only musical subwoofers I have ever heard are the A/D/S > powered > > > > subs, > > > > > > MS/4, MS/3 & MS/2, which are a few years discontinued. Well > > designed > > > > > > driver/enclosure system, and *shockingly good* electronics. You > can > > > > > > actually use it's high pass electronic crossover section to feed > > your > > > > main > > > > > > amplifier with barely any sonic negatives, which is something no > > other > > > > sub > > > > > > I've seen can boast of. The biggest, MS/4 was $1350 new, so it'd > be > > > > half > > > > > > that or less, probably, on the used market. > > > > > > Doing my best not to let my bias toward my own speakers interfere > > with > > > > my > > > > > > opinion, I must say that Linn speakers would be one of my LAST > > choices > > > > for > > > > > > use with a moderate to low power tube amp, especially an > Audionote. > > > > Quite > > > > > > good amps with the right speakers, but I don't think Linns are the > > > right > > > > > > ones, at all. Efficiency is not the only factor in choosing a > > speaker > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > small tube amp. Of much greater importance is uniform impedance, > > > > > especially > > > > > > in the low end. My little guys are less than 88dB efficient, but > I > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > client with a pair that swears to me, with corroboration from a > > mutual > > > > > > friend, that he gets "satisfying levels" with a pair of 0.75watt > SE > > > > amps. > > > > > > But, when he wants to "crank" he hooks up the 7watt Wavelength > > > > Cardinals. > > > > > > The explanation is that my little speakers are a very uniform 8ohm > > > > > impedance > > > > > > through the whole audio band. It also probably helps that the > > > > crossovers > > > > > > are straight 12dB LC networks. No resistors. No compensation of > > any > > > > > kind. > > > > > > But I digress. The point is, you will definitely need to use a > 50Hz > > > > > > highpass cross on the Linn speakers to get any louder by adding a > > sub. > > > > > So, > > > > > > that sub better have a really good electronic crossover in it, > > which, > > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > means the A/D/S subs only. > > > > > > The Melos SHA-Gold was the only "affordable" tube preamp worth a > > darn > > > > that > > > > > > had remote control, but it was pretty unreliable & Melos is now > out > > of > > > > > > business. I think it'd be best to abandon remote as an objective. > > > The > > > > > best > > > > > > "bang for buck" tube preamp is, honestly, a stock Moscode Minuet > in > > A, > > > > > which > > > > > > can be picked up for usually $400-450. Add another $100 to get a > > set > > > of > > > > > > Dutch Amperex NOS tubes for it(2x 6DJ8 & 2x 12AX7) & some silicone > > > tube > > > > > > damping rings, and you have yourself a damned good preamp, and > with > > > two > > > > > tape > > > > > > loops & MC phono ability. Then later on, you can send it to me > for > > > > > > upgrading. For $1000-2500, depending on how radical you want to > go > > > with > > > > > it, > > > > > > it can be turned into a preamp that will totally & abjectly > embarass > > > > such > > > > > > "reference" preamps as the CAT SL-1 Ultimate. If you want a > pretty > > > top > > > > > > shelf stock preamp, but without as much upgrade potential, the > > > > > > conrad-johnson PV-12, at, I think, $2300 new, is one of my > > favorites. > > > > But > > > > > > an upgraded Minuet will eat it for breakfast. Both of these > preamps > > > are > > > > > of > > > > > > the "transparent" variety, rather than the "tubey" variety. So no > > > > worries > > > > > > about over-glossing the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:41 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Point made; opinion on audio note. Do you think it overpriced? > I > > > am > > > > > not > > > > > > > speaking of the stuff made by the guys chanting poems in loin > > > cloths; > > > > > just > > > > > > > the less expensive stuff. I recently purchased a pair of Linn > > > Keilidh > > > > > > > speakers (675; nice price) and am using the Audio Note p2se to > > power > > > > > them. > > > > > > > They will get moderately loud and then soft clipping sets in. I > > am > > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > try putting a sub in the mix and crossing it at 50hz and see > what > > > that > > > > > > does > > > > > > > for my SPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a decent subwoofer that does not cost a small > > > > fortune > > > > > > > (love the linn but don't love the price)? I currently have two; > > an > > > > > Energy > > > > > > > (Sunfire takeoff) 10" and an old Mirage 12" 180w. The Energy; > it > > > > bumps > > > > > > and > > > > > > > makes deep feeling noises but is not musical. The Mirage WAS a > > very > > > > > nice > > > > > > > woofer; now it just makes ugly noise and is going back to Nick > for > > > > > review > > > > > > > and subsequent disposition. One person recommended a Muse > woofer > > > but > > > > I > > > > > > > think that is probably more than I want to spend (grand or > less). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you also recommend a nice tube preamplifier that will have a > > > tape > > > > > > > moniter loop and, Gods Willing, a remote control? I only have > the > > > > Denon > > > > > > > AVR3801 and a very old Threshold preamp (more of a musem piece; > > 1980 > > > > > > > vintage) for a preamp at the moment to power the audio note amp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:48 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have virtually no experience with Levinson stuff, except for > > > > Mark's > > > > > > > Cello > > > > > > > > line. All I can say is that, if the Cello line represents an > > > upward > > > > > > > > evolution of his previous work, I would not be impressed. And > I > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > shocked if the ML stuff since then was any better. When the > > > > post-Mark > > > > > > ML > > > > > > > > company stooped so low as to use the criminally horrible & > cheap > > > > > Philips > > > > > > > > CDM-12 laser/mech in their multi-thousand-dollar transport, > that > > > > told > > > > > me > > > > > > > > about all I wanted to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:30 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of the Levinson stuff? I once had a m 27 > > > stereo > > > > > amp > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > am still regretting selling it and replacing it with a > > parasound > > > > hca > > > > > > > 1206. > > > > > > > > > Now the parasound and denon receiver (for preamp) are going > > back > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > shipping boxes to get replaced with some tube preamp > audio > > > note > > > > > p2se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > linn keilidh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, your opinion on Levinson? Is the current stuff as good > as > > > the > > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > stuff? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:33 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to move my shop due to the Krell dealer I rented > space > > > > from > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > annoyed with me for embarassing the $30k FPB-650c > monoblocks > > > > with > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > little $1500 rebuilt Moscode tube/hybrid amps, which I did > > > quite > > > > > > > often. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > had agreed to let me sell Moscodes & speakers in his > > showroom, > > > > but > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > have any idea that it would have such an effect on his > Krell > > > > > sales. > > > > > > > > > > Spectral & Rowland are two solid state companies that > > compete > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Krell. They both continue to make very, very excellent & > > > great > > > > > > > sounding > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Not to mention very easy to service. > > > > > > > > > > I think that *maybe* Krell has come to realise that they > > went > > > > too > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the techno-babble approach. Maybe there is hope for them. > > > > Kinda > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree 100% with both of these posts. I made the > mistake > > of > > > > > > > > purchasing > > > > > > > > > > > a $10,000 pair of Krell FPB-250M 250 watt monoblocks a > few > > > > years > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > was forced to sell at a huge loss a few months later > > because > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > performed so poorly in my system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are many reasons why the FPB series from > a > > > few > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > sounds so bad but I suspect the main reason is excessive > > use > > > > of > > > > > > NFB. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > forget the output impedance of the 250M but I think it > was > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the order 0.04 ohm. Sure, lots of NFB makes for great > > > > > > specifications > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > man, does it ever kill the music! It looks like Dan > > > D'Agostino > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > recognized this and has quietly decreased the use of > NFB. > > > The > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > FPB-350M has a measured of output impedance of 0.2 ohm > and > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > sweeter compared side by side with the older 250M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing the Krells to other current amplifiers at the > > same > > > > > price > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > lower reveals that the Krells still don't cut it though. > I > > > > tend > > > > > to > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > the best value in lesser known solid state brands like > > > > > > > > Electrocompaniet, > > > > > > > > > > > Plinius and Ayre. Of course, the typical Krell buyer > > > wouldn't > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > consider a tube amp but there are many, many brands in > > this > > > > > > category > > > > > > > > > > > that kill Krell when at looking performance/$$$. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I own Electrocompaniet and am very, very > happy > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/25/2001 2:55:45 PM Central > Daylight > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << Krell is a definite victim(self inflicted) of > > > > techno-babble > > > > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > a negative influence on performance. Their first > amps > > > were > > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > > > darn > > > > > > > > > > > > good, but they kept re-designing things, trying to > come > > > up > > > > > with > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > to techno-babble about, so the amps, preamps & etc. > > have > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > progressively more over-complicated, with the sound > > > > > suffering. > > > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > > > damn!, > > > > > > > > > > > > their amps are a total bitch to work on. I think Dan > > > > > > > > > D'Agostino(krell) > > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > > be related to Henry Kloss, having such a talent for > > > making > > > > a > > > > > > > tech's > > > > > > > > > job > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > living hell. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so saddened to learn of news like this. It seems > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > purchasing good to excellent equipment are over. > > Everyone > > > > is > > > > > > > > OEM'ing > > > > > > > > > > > > products by someone else, although the appearances may > > > > improve > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > > > > like the performance continues to drop. So, what are > we > > > to > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > stay away from top name brands now and only purchase > > from > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers? Should you just keep your old gear > > running > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > skill and > > > > > > > > > > > > assistance of Jeff and Steve? Should you only > purchase > > > used > > > > > > gear? > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > brands are left that still produce high quality and > high > > > > > > > performing > > > > > > > > > > stereo > > > > > > > > > > > > equipment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi > > > > > Cassette > > > > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 07:54:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:54:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6f.187ffcfe.28923481@aol.com> Message-ID: <013301c11660$a6575fa0$193442cf@sank1> While I'm not sure how good the reliability is, the Denon AVP-8000 is a reasonably good preamp/processor w/DTS & AC-3. A client of mine, that I modified a stack of Cello equipment for, chose that preamp for his HT system over some much more expensive units, on a price-no-object pre-proc hunt. Saw one selling for $600 recently. The Nak CA-1 is supposed to be very good, but I have no direct experience with it. I gotta say, Sam, you sure would be crippling a PA-7 to use a Yamaha R-9 as a preamp for it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/26/2001 7:50:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << As I've said, I regard the Nak PA-5/7/II amps as an improved expression of > Threshold's "zero global feedback" Stasis topology. They have a silky > smooth, detailed top end "cleanness" that's hard to match. And they're > pretty great at the rest of the spectrum, too. > >> > Don't get me wrong, the Nak PA-7 would look very nice in my system and I'm > sure it has more than enough punch to drive my Polk's. However, is there a > preamp suited for surround sound? And then of course I would have to > purchase a tuner. Man this stereo stuff can get expensive. > > I thought about using my R-9 Receiver as a tuner/preamp with some > modification (e.g. could then use the Nak PA-7), but I still would be without > the ability to enjoy 5.1 surround sound without some clever workarounds. Any > thoughts? > > _Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jul 27 07:56:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:56:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps References: <20010725.230522.-314101.1.josephj69@juno.com> <002901c115a4$92f90e20$1c3442cf@sank1> <3B60CE9A.B3AADA9D@snet.net> Message-ID: <013b01c11660$dd4f0760$193442cf@sank1> I haven't heard all of the Spectral preamps, but all that I have heard have been superbly transparent & without edginess. Only thing lacking vs a great tube pre was that z-axis. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Krell pre-amps > Stephen, what would be your opinion on the Spectral DMP-6 in particular? > > Thanks, > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The Krell PAM series preamps are among the worst of the Krells. After their > > mandatory 24 hour warm up, they still sound pretty damned dismal & abrasive. > > The only preamp I would recommend even a little bit is the old KRS-2. Might > > be able to get one for a grand used. I would more heartily recommend *any* > > Spectral preamp, or a conrad-johnson PF-1 or PF-2(all FET solid state). As > > good sound as you're likely to hear in solid state. I don't recall which of > > these might have two tape loops, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jul 27 11:15:58 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:15:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hi Brian, All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really long! And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be switched on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so big with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed tube amps than ss amps. Misha >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > >Brian Miller >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jul 27 11:24:00 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:24:00 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Any one on 78 records? References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone for replaying! It's quite interesting matter. My opinion is that in those days (especialy before inventing electronic ways of recording) sound path was so short and brings much less in to the music. Can you imagine - simple diafragm that drives recording blade (of how they called it). No mixer, even no control - one was able to hear the records only after printing it! No surprise that recording music was nothing but art at those times. It's also interesting that listening those old records I really do not missed stereo effect - music is so great that I even do not think about stereo! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Fri Jul 27 20:01:44 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:01:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps References: <20010725.230522.-314101.1.josephj69@juno.com> <002901c115a4$92f90e20$1c3442cf@sank1> <3B60CE9A.B3AADA9D@snet.net> Message-ID: <3B61AC88.D099B709@snip.net> I currently have the Spectral DMC-12 and previously had the Spectral DMC-6. Both great pre-amps with superb phono stages, though it's an extra-cost option on the 12. I traded my DMC-6 for an Audio Research SP-14 in part because it had two tape loops--I had my Nakamichi 700ZXL in one loop (since replaced by CR-7a and now a Dragon) and Stax Lambda pro's with the the all FET class A headphone amp (which I still have) in the other loop. With my DMC-12, I'm back to one tape loop and I've further complicated my problems because, in addition to my Dragon & Stax, I've added a reel-to-reel deck. But I wouldn't trade the Spectral except for a DMC-20 or one of Stephen's modified Moscode Minuets in A which I'm waiting to audition and which Stephen says he can build for me with three tape loops. I can't say enough about the Spectral pre-amps but I've not sprung for their power amps because of their current insistence on all (really stratospherically expensive) MIT Cable. Since I go from the pre-amp into an electronic crossover, I don't see the need for it. I currently use two Eagle 2c's as my power amps and I'm going to be sending them to Stephen, one at a time, for modifications. Incidentally, regarding my tape loop problem, I recently asked Stephen about how his modifying the AR SP-14 (which has two tape loops) would compare to my Spectral DMC-12. He said while the AR SP-14 is a good pre-amp, don't modify it but rather keep the Spectral in my system. Incidentally, if any one is interested in my AR SP-14, please contact me. It's updated with the latest phono stage tube. Hope this helps you in deciding whether to plunge into Spectral gear. If you want more info, please don't hesitate to contact me off NakTalk. Best, John- Ed Noyes wrote: > Stephen, what would be your opinion on the Spectral DMP-6 in particular? > > Thanks, > Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Stephen, quick question ... what about Brystons ? transparent + solid bass. > How do you regard 4B compared to Nak PAs - and to Parasound ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go solidly > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down at 30. > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > amps > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any stretch. Just not > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > current. > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > either. > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Fri Jul 27 21:56:11 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:56:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell In-Reply-To: <3B61B583.C8559939@earthlink.net> References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <003601c1163a$34754760$59289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727153934.00a93cf0@mail.verizon.net> I like some of the Hafler amplifiers. I use a pair of P-500's modded with toroidal power transformers and double stock-size PS caps for the mid-range speakers (16 Audax PR-17-100) in my main live system. If you're in new York City, you can hear this system in Central Park for the New York Chamber Symphony concert this coming Tuesday, July 31, 7:30 PM at the bandshell on 72nd street. and for the Queens Symphony Orchestra at Forest Park, Woodhaven, on August 12 and 19 at 4 PM. My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: NOTHING DIGITAL!!! BTW, Steve is right about those Adcom 535 amplifiers. I use them (triamped, above 6 Khz) for the eight JBL 2405 slot radiators. Very nice, sweet sound. As for Mark Levinson, I heard his new stuff at his store, "Red Rose Music" next to the Whitney Museum. Ran a first generation master tape through his best system. Sounded beautiful - and I'm a very harsh critic. _______________________________________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems NYC ======================================== >I agree with Stephen when he says that Brystons tend to sound dry. >Definitely no tube tonality here. That's for sure. > >Jim Volpatti > > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Stephen, quick question ... what about Brystons ? transparent + solid > bass. > > How do you regard 4B compared to Nak PAs - and to Parasound ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go > solidly > > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down > at 30. > > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > > amps > > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any > stretch. Just not > > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > > current. > > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > > either. > > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 23:26:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:26:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <8a.a05ca2e.289336a0@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/2001 12:54:06 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << While I'm not sure how good the reliability is, the Denon AVP-8000 is a reasonably good preamp/processor w/DTS & AC-3. A client of mine, that I modified a stack of Cello equipment for, chose that preamp for his HT system over some much more expensive units, on a price-no-object pre-proc hunt. Saw one selling for $600 recently. The Nak CA-1 is supposed to be very good, but I have no direct experience with it. I gotta say, Sam, you sure would be crippling a PA-7 to use a Yamaha R-9 as a preamp for it. >> Thanks. I appreciate your help. Looks like I'm spending my first paychecks already. :-( ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 23:30:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:30:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps Message-ID: <14.17a43d28.2893378c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/2001 1:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time, smoke at snip.net writes: "... had my Nakamichi 700ZXL in one loop (since replaced by CR-7a and now a Dragon) and Stax..." Hi John, How would you compare the performance and sound of the CR-7 and Dragon vs. your 700 ZXL? And, why did you sell the 700ZXL? Just curious.. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Jul 27 23:38:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:38:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/27/2001 2:59:31 PM Central Daylight Time, marc at Stager.com writes: "...My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: NOTHING DIGITAL!!!" Hi Marc, I have a question for you and for the group at large. How do you eliminate hiss in your system? Brian from this group has been extremely helpful and with his help I've located the major source of hiss in my system. Although it is negligible, I would like to eliminate it if possible. I have the "source" or "line" running through a DBX route selector and then through a mixer and I believe that these loops may be the cause of the background hiss I hear when recording using my CR-7. Interestingly I never noticed it before until I started using the CR-7. Although It cannot be heard during playback to my speakers, it can be heard through m headphones and during real time tape monitoring. The greatest amount of hiss is coming from my JVC carousel CD player, followed by my Nak BX-150. Everything else is quite including the CR-7. Thank you in advance for your help with this question. -SamTheCR-7Man! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Jul 28 00:09:36 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:09:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <095b01c116e8$d54558c0$20031fac@brianm> Hi Misha, Sorry if my message sounded like I was against tubes, that was not my attention. I was just giving an response to a prior message. I agree that SS needs warmed up also, but most SS amps today are in stand-by mode when not in use, therefore they are always warm. I didn't understand your last line, "However there is more purlu designed tube amps than ss amps.". What is purlu? Stephen, you mention you like the CJ 4 and 11a, have you had a chance to audition their CAV 50 integrated? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Hi Brian, > > All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one > need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really long! > And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be switched > on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so big > with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed > tube amps than ss amps. > > Misha > > >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > >Brian Miller > >Michigan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 02:25:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:25:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <003601c1163a$34754760$59289bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20010727153934.00a93cf0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003b01c116fb$d5b07c00$183442cf@sank1> OK, Marc. Now you're embellishing! There's no way you can get "nice, sweet sound" out of JBL slot tweeters! The most vicious tweeters I have ever heard in my life. You could put a Marantz 8B on them & still sandblast your ears with them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I like some of the Hafler amplifiers. I use a pair of P-500's modded with > toroidal power transformers and double stock-size PS caps for the > mid-range speakers (16 Audax PR-17-100) in my main live system. > > If you're in new York City, you can hear this system in Central Park for > the New York Chamber Symphony concert this coming Tuesday, July 31, > 7:30 PM at the bandshell on 72nd street. and for the Queens Symphony > Orchestra at Forest Park, Woodhaven, on August 12 and 19 at 4 PM. > > My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > NOTHING DIGITAL!!! > > BTW, Steve is right about those Adcom 535 amplifiers. I use them > (triamped, above 6 Khz) for the eight JBL 2405 slot radiators. > Very nice, sweet sound. > > As for Mark Levinson, I heard his new stuff at his store, "Red Rose > Music" next to the Whitney Museum. Ran a first generation > master tape through his best system. Sounded beautiful - and > I'm a very harsh critic. > > _______________________________________ Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems NYC > > ======================================== > > > >I agree with Stephen when he says that Brystons tend to sound dry. > >Definitely no tube tonality here. That's for sure. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Stephen, quick question ... what about Brystons ? transparent + solid > > bass. > > > How do you regard 4B compared to Nak PAs - and to Parasound ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > I actually don't know of any SE-friendly speakers that honestly go > > solidly > > > > to 30Hz. My little guys do a solid 40Hz, but are perhaps 10dB down > > at 30. > > > > My comment on Audionote was meant to suggest that they are not the best > > > amps > > > > in terms of output transformer quality. Not bad by any > > stretch. Just not > > > > the best transformers for handling speakers that want a good bit of > > > current. > > > > I'm not a fan of Parasound or John Curl. Mainly from a build quality > > > > viewpoint, but I don't think the sound is particularly exceptional, > > > either. > > > > I'd choose a Mac or Nak over a Curl piece any time. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 02:31:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:31:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> <095b01c116e8$d54558c0$20031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <004701c116fc$a831f320$183442cf@sank1> I stopped working at a c-j dealer before the CAV-50 came out, so I haven't heard one. I'd expect it to be quite good, except for the stock tubes. As for your one comment: Most ss amps do not have a standby "warm" mode. But, in most cases, it's no big deal to leave them on all the time, unless they are class A biased & heat your house & double your electric bill! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Hi Misha, > > Sorry if my message sounded like I was against tubes, that was not my > attention. I was just giving an response to a prior message. > > I agree that SS needs warmed up also, but most SS amps today are in stand-by > mode when not in use, therefore they are always warm. > > I didn't understand your last line, "However there is more purlu designed > tube amps than ss amps.". What is purlu? > > Stephen, you mention you like the CJ 4 and 11a, have you had a chance to > audition their CAV 50 integrated? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one > > need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really > long! > > And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be > switched > > on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so > big > > with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed > > tube amps than ss amps. > > > > Misha > > > > >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > > >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > > >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > > > >Brian Miller > > >Michigan > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Jul 28 02:49:18 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:49:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> <095b01c116e8$d54558c0$20031fac@brianm> <004701c116fc$a831f320$183442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <097901c116ff$2343c500$20031fac@brianm> I should of clarified, it is the high-end SS that has stand-by. Also, I am not including older stuff. I am very rarely in a stereo shop these days, but my last two amps both have stand-by. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > I stopped working at a c-j dealer before the CAV-50 came out, so I haven't > heard one. I'd expect it to be quite good, except for the stock tubes. > As for your one comment: Most ss amps do not have a standby "warm" mode. > But, in most cases, it's no big deal to leave them on all the time, unless > they are class A biased & heat your house & double your electric bill! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Hi Misha, > > > > Sorry if my message sounded like I was against tubes, that was not my > > attention. I was just giving an response to a prior message. > > > > I agree that SS needs warmed up also, but most SS amps today are in > stand-by > > mode when not in use, therefore they are always warm. > > > > I didn't understand your last line, "However there is more purlu designed > > tube amps than ss amps.". What is purlu? > > > > Stephen, you mention you like the CJ 4 and 11a, have you had a chance to > > audition their CAV 50 integrated? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > > > All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one > > > need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really > > long! > > > And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be > > switched > > > on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so > > big > > > with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed > > > tube amps than ss amps. > > > > > > Misha > > > > > > >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm > up, > > > >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > > > >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > > > > > >Brian Miller > > > >Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 03:33:15 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 Question In-Reply-To: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010728013315.29299.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Now for something completely different. I have a Nakamichi tape deck question for the group. I was looking over the gear update installation instructions on the ftp site. Thank you, Stephen. It applies to all the MR and BX-series decks, the CR-5 & 7 and only the RX-202! My question is does the RX-303 and RX-505 already have the gear idler? Which transport does it use. The original or the Sankyo? The reason I ask is I just won a RX-505 on eBay that will FF & REW, but, won't play. I figured it had a rubber idler, but, now I'm not too sure. (I don't have the deck yet.) With all the talk about Krell, CJ, McIntosh, etc, etc I feel like relaxing with my Adcom GFA535 and my Stax Lambda ear speakers. Scott J. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 03:50:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:50:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 Question References: <20010728013315.29299.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c11707$b0d762c0$423442cf@sank1> The RX303 & 505 use the real Nak transport. Essentially they are updated LX-3 & LX-5 models with auto-reverse(and inferior meters!). The reel drive is via rubber idler, but the tire is about twice as large & thick, & a much more durable rubber, so not prone at all to losing friction. A "no play" symptom is most often due to either a worn mode control drive belt or dead spots in the mode drive motor commutator. Both quite easily fixed problems. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-505 Question > Now for something completely different. > > I have a Nakamichi tape deck question for the group. > > I was looking over the gear update installation > instructions on the ftp site. Thank you, Stephen. It > applies to all the MR and BX-series decks, the CR-5 & > 7 and only the RX-202! > > My question is does the RX-303 and RX-505 already have > the gear idler? Which transport does it use. The > original or the Sankyo? > > The reason I ask is I just won a RX-505 on eBay that > will FF & REW, but, won't play. I figured it had a > rubber idler, but, now I'm not too sure. (I don't > have the deck yet.) > > With all the talk about Krell, CJ, McIntosh, etc, etc > I feel like relaxing with my Adcom GFA535 and my Stax > Lambda ear speakers. > > Scott J. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at Stager.com Sat Jul 28 04:57:58 2001 From: marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:57:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell In-Reply-To: <003b01c116fb$d5b07c00$183442cf@sank1> References: <46.18162eaa.28908640@aol.com> <3B5F339D.F95998F3@earthlink.net> <027201c1156a$914f6220$063442cf@sank1> <001b01c11572$9a6db2a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <02fd01c11575$14c81b60$063442cf@sank1> <010b01c1158d$35b87e60$9865fea9@D9569601> <002a01c115a6$0c1d8460$1c3442cf@sank1> <007301c115e7$f74c0e70$9865fea9@D9569601> <005401c115f6$36063880$0a3442cf@sank1> <003601c1163a$34754760$59289bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20010727153934.00a93cf0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727223226.00a9a510@mail.verizon.net> Like this, Steve: Run them at a 6K or higher crossover point with a 24 db/octave electronic crossover, and run them at level well within their operating range: You'll never need more than two or three watts into each tweeter. Lastly, and this is the key, balance their output carefully with the mids. It is very easy and very tempting to push them too hard because they do have a very brilliant and extended high end. I'm working with live musicians - violins and violas sections picked up by Milab DC-20 and DC-21 small cap condenser mics, brass and horns into Sennheiser MKH-40's, celli and bass though RCA BK-5B and EV-RE-20 mics - all feeding into an Allen-Heath board. I set the TDM crossover at the optimal level and hinge points. I don't even need to EQ any of the inputs. Nor do I go through 'third octave EQ for feedback control. It's not necessary. Nor is there any limiting or compression. Everything is run at conservative levels - this is classical music, not a rock concert and the resulting sound is sweet, natural, and effortless and when the music calls for it, intensely powerful - and still effortless. Those JBL slots, (not the ring radiators - those ARE beamy and harsh) - in an array of four per side, contribute to a wonderfully smooth, extended high end in a powerful outdoor concert system, and used within their limits, should sound equally nice in the home. Anyone in town is welcome to hear this for themselves. _______________________________ Marc Stager ========================================== At 7/27/01, you wrote: >OK, Marc. Now you're embellishing! There's no way you can get "nice, sweet >sound" out of JBL slot tweeters! The most vicious tweeters I have ever >heard in my life. You could put a Marantz 8B on them & still sandblast your >ears with them. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ============================ > > I like some of the Hafler amplifiers. I use a pair of P-500's modded with > > toroidal power transformers and double stock-size PS caps for the > > mid-range speakers (16 Audax PR-17-100) in my main live system. > > > > If you're in new York City, you can hear this system in Central Park for > > the New York Chamber Symphony concert this coming Tuesday, July 31, > > 7:30 PM at the bandshell on 72nd street. and for the Queens Symphony > > Orchestra at Forest Park, Woodhaven, on August 12 and 19 at 4 PM. > > > > My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > > NOTHING DIGITAL!!! > > > > BTW, Steve is right about those Adcom 535 amplifiers. I use them > > (triamped, above 6 Khz) for the eight JBL 2405 slot radiators. > > Very nice, sweet sound. > > > > As for Mark Levinson, I heard his new stuff at his store, "Red Rose > > Music" next to the Whitney Museum. Ran a first generation > > master tape through his best system. Sounded beautiful - and > > I'm a very harsh critic. > > > > _______________________________________ Marc Stager > > Stager Sound Systems NYC ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jul 28 05:59:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:59:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> <095b01c116e8$d54558c0$20031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002101c11719$e06dd480$56289bca@smarzuki> With some workaround ... purlu = poorly ? SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Hi Misha, > > Sorry if my message sounded like I was against tubes, that was not my > attention. I was just giving an response to a prior message. > > I agree that SS needs warmed up also, but most SS amps today are in stand-by > mode when not in use, therefore they are always warm. > > I didn't understand your last line, "However there is more purlu designed > tube amps than ss amps.". What is purlu? > > Stephen, you mention you like the CJ 4 and 11a, have you had a chance to > audition their CAV 50 integrated? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 28 09:08:26 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:08:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> Message-ID: <007601c11734$19712bf0$9865fea9@D9569601> We have been using vintage tube microphones (akg, neumann, scheops) into professional portable DAT machines with very nice results. The results are particularly good when good outboard A/D processors and better microphone preamps are utilized. The old mics seem to make the digital recordings sound just fine. Too bad the Otari things are so damn big....analogue is still the best but DAT is way better than a portable cassette. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > In a message dated 7/27/2001 2:59:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > marc at Stager.com writes: > > "...My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > NOTHING DIGITAL!!!" > > Hi Marc, > > I have a question for you and for the group at large. How do you eliminate > hiss in your system? Brian from this group has been extremely helpful and > with his help I've located the major source of hiss in my system. Although > it is negligible, I would like to eliminate it if possible. > > I have the "source" or "line" running through a DBX route selector and then > through a mixer and I believe that these loops may be the cause of the > background hiss I hear when recording using my CR-7. Interestingly I never > noticed it before until I started using the CR-7. > > Although It cannot be heard during playback to my speakers, it can be heard > through m headphones and during real time tape monitoring. The greatest > amount of hiss is coming from my JVC carousel CD player, followed by my Nak > BX-150. Everything else is quite including the CR-7. Thank you in advance > for your help with this question. > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 09:27:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:27:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> <007601c11734$19712bf0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <005101c11736$b7158c00$423442cf@sank1> Carl, you have just insulted all of the Nak 550 & 350 owners! I can't count the number of people I have had tell me that they wish they hadn't sold their 550's & gone DAT for portable. Forgot to answer your question before that, yes, I am the mic guy you were talking about sending the condenser mics to. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > We have been using vintage tube microphones (akg, neumann, scheops) into > professional portable DAT machines with very nice results. The results are > particularly good when good outboard A/D processors and better microphone > preamps are utilized. The old mics seem to make the digital recordings > sound just fine. Too bad the Otari things are so damn big....analogue is > still the best but DAT is way better than a portable cassette. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > In a message dated 7/27/2001 2:59:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > > marc at Stager.com writes: > > > > "...My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > > NOTHING DIGITAL!!!" > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > I have a question for you and for the group at large. How do you > eliminate > > hiss in your system? Brian from this group has been extremely helpful and > > with his help I've located the major source of hiss in my system. > Although > > it is negligible, I would like to eliminate it if possible. > > > > I have the "source" or "line" running through a DBX route selector and > then > > through a mixer and I believe that these loops may be the cause of the > > background hiss I hear when recording using my CR-7. Interestingly I > never > > noticed it before until I started using the CR-7. > > > > Although It cannot be heard during playback to my speakers, it can be > heard > > through m headphones and during real time tape monitoring. The greatest > > amount of hiss is coming from my JVC carousel CD player, followed by my > Nak > > BX-150. Everything else is quite including the CR-7. Thank you in > advance > > for your help with this question. > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Jul 28 11:45:44 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:45:44 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <095b01c116e8$d54558c0$20031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hi Brian, >Sorry if my message sounded like I was against tubes, that was not my >attention. I was just giving an response to a prior message. Oh, sorry! I didn't mean that you against tubes as well :-) >I agree that SS needs warmed up also, but most SS amps today are in stand-by >mode when not in use, therefore they are always warm. > >I didn't understand your last line, "However there is more purlu designed >tube amps than ss amps.". What is purlu? Sorry, typo. Should read "pourly". Wrong spelling again? Hm... let's say "bad" ;-) >Brian Miller >Michigan Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 28 12:25:38 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:25:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> <007601c11734$19712bf0$9865fea9@D9569601> <005101c11736$b7158c00$423442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c1174f$da4dc6b0$9865fea9@D9569601> Stephen... One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've used the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with the pro dats C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Carl, you have just insulted all of the Nak 550 & 350 owners! I can't count > the number of people I have had tell me that they wish they hadn't sold > their 550's & gone DAT for portable. > Forgot to answer your question before that, yes, I am the mic guy you were > talking about sending the condenser mics to. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > We have been using vintage tube microphones (akg, neumann, scheops) into > > professional portable DAT machines with very nice results. The results > are > > particularly good when good outboard A/D processors and better microphone > > preamps are utilized. The old mics seem to make the digital recordings > > sound just fine. Too bad the Otari things are so damn big....analogue is > > still the best but DAT is way better than a portable cassette. > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/2001 2:59:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > marc at Stager.com writes: > > > > > > "...My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > > > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > > > NOTHING DIGITAL!!!" > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > I have a question for you and for the group at large. How do you > > eliminate > > > hiss in your system? Brian from this group has been extremely helpful > and > > > with his help I've located the major source of hiss in my system. > > Although > > > it is negligible, I would like to eliminate it if possible. > > > > > > I have the "source" or "line" running through a DBX route selector and > > then > > > through a mixer and I believe that these loops may be the cause of the > > > background hiss I hear when recording using my CR-7. Interestingly I > > never > > > noticed it before until I started using the CR-7. > > > > > > Although It cannot be heard during playback to my speakers, it can be > > heard > > > through m headphones and during real time tape monitoring. The greatest > > > amount of hiss is coming from my JVC carousel CD player, followed by my > > Nak > > > BX-150. Everything else is quite including the CR-7. Thank you in > > advance > > > for your help with this question. > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jul 28 19:50:08 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:50:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F426005@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <011801c0b7ab$6acfd570$c3496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3AC2257E.8DA5D68@chello.at> Message-ID: <007e01c1178d$be2b4960$52756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Wolfgang. Thank you. I got a very fine English version from them some months back. I also had them send me one for a ReVox B760 Tuner. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolfgang Smetanig To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-766-2 Hi John! Just look at http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/de/abfrage_sql.html Sorry, but´s only in german available (by now) Wolfgang PS: Maybe I can help you (copy about DM 30,- incl shipping in Europe = $14) "John M. Tooley" schrieb: Off topic.......................................................................................................Please excuse this in the Nakamichi Forum but tape people, be it cassettes or reel, tend to be one and the same. "Houston, we have a problem". My Sony TC-766-2 reel to reel deck is running great but lacks feed reel back tension. I've checked all over the internet, made phone calls but cannot find a Service Manual anywhere. If I put light tension on the left reel everything sounds fine but I'm not about to try this for an hour or so. Sony said they would copy a manual but for $35 and an 8-10 week wait! I'm told that it should be an adjustable pot. on the circuit board or a fixed resister that has changed its value. Help! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 28 22:16:35 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:16:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B631DA3.D14F7DC8@concentric.net> Brian Miller wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not just > for show. I wonder how you define 'accurate'... I am asking this tongue in cheek because my understanding is that people like 'tube sound' precisely because it is *not* accurate (by *my* definition). As you probably know, it is easy to achieve 'tube sound' in SS amps. IIRC, Carver was the first to offer such an amp. > The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! First, a comment: tubes that run continuously (preferably, with the filament at reduced voltage when not in actual use) live *longer* than tubes that are switched off when not in use. The reason is that the main cause of tube failure is thermal shock. Second: to me, there are additional down sides to tubes, that you did not mention. The mandatory use of so many caps (not to mention, output transformers) adds complexity and cost (as opposed to SS circuits). Also, reliability is inherently lower, due to the high voltages and temperature of operation (output tube envelopes exceed 200C in operation). Also, the close proximity of filament wiring to signal wiring either increases noise, or requires DC heating (more complexity and more cost). There is more to this, but I don't want to venture into highly controversial territory... -- Ron > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 > are > > the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be > > "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but > > without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is > > 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w > > continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap > > failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass > meter > > panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about > > future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to > > present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large > degree > > of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound > of > > the amp. Works very, very well. > > The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. > > Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & > detailed > > on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold > amps. > > Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into > > upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. > > >> > > > > Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it > > goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, it > > would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would > sound > > fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my > > experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I understand > > some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment but > that > > the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while this > > thread is going on... > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 22:19:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:19:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6c.d913dfd.2893396d@aol.com> <007601c11734$19712bf0$9865fea9@D9569601> <005101c11736$b7158c00$423442cf@sank1> <001901c1174f$da4dc6b0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <000701c117a2$9c4b35c0$1b3442cf@sank1> Hey, just because a 550 will cause your collar bone to bend in just one night of taping doesn't mean it ain't portable! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > Stephen... > > One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've used > the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with the > pro dats > > C > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > Carl, you have just insulted all of the Nak 550 & 350 owners! I can't > count > > the number of people I have had tell me that they wish they hadn't sold > > their 550's & gone DAT for portable. > > Forgot to answer your question before that, yes, I am the mic guy you were > > talking about sending the condenser mics to. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > We have been using vintage tube microphones (akg, neumann, scheops) into > > > professional portable DAT machines with very nice results. The results > > are > > > particularly good when good outboard A/D processors and better > microphone > > > preamps are utilized. The old mics seem to make the digital recordings > > > sound just fine. Too bad the Otari things are so damn big....analogue > is > > > still the best but DAT is way better than a portable cassette. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/2001 2:59:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > marc at Stager.com writes: > > > > > > > > "...My favorite source for stereo: live, professional musicians, > > > > no tape hiss, azimuth or EQ errors, groove wear, - and best of all: > > > > NOTHING DIGITAL!!!" > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > I have a question for you and for the group at large. How do you > > > eliminate > > > > hiss in your system? Brian from this group has been extremely helpful > > and > > > > with his help I've located the major source of hiss in my system. > > > Although > > > > it is negligible, I would like to eliminate it if possible. > > > > > > > > I have the "source" or "line" running through a DBX route selector and > > > then > > > > through a mixer and I believe that these loops may be the cause of the > > > > background hiss I hear when recording using my CR-7. Interestingly I > > > never > > > > noticed it before until I started using the CR-7. > > > > > > > > Although It cannot be heard during playback to my speakers, it can be > > > heard > > > > through m headphones and during real time tape monitoring. The > greatest > > > > amount of hiss is coming from my JVC carousel CD player, followed by > my > > > Nak > > > > BX-150. Everything else is quite including the CR-7. Thank you in > > > advance > > > > for your help with this question. > > > > > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 28 22:22:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:22:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> <00b601c1157a$09299cc0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3B5FEFCC.C7D1CC2A@concentric.net> <004001c115f3$c486f660$0a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B631F16.ADB931D0@concentric.net> Yes, that's what I thought. I suspect the schematics simply illustrate the circuit descriptions. Be that as it may, I have a CR-7 and would like to have a copy of this in my folder. I emailed the lucky winner and offered to pay for a copy (I think it's safe to say Nakamichi won't object to the copyright infringement, if any). He hasn't got it yet, but agreed, provided he can copy without harming the original. If all this comes to pass, I'll upload a scan of the copy to Wouter's server. It may come in handy to one of the other hackers... -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Don't have that paper handy, but I am quite sure that it does not have full > schematics, or anything beyond a few basic diagram excerpts. It is pretty > much strictly what it says, a technical description of how the CR-7 systems > work. Nothing more. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:24 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > > > > > I notice that this 43 page Nakamichi publication just > > went for $28.11 on ebay. Does anyone have any idea > > what's in it? It was supposed to include "info, > > schematics, specs, and more." > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 28 22:48:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:48:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6f.187ffcfe.28923481@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B632510.2C5B50CD@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [...] > However, is there a preamp suited for surround sound? The best preamp on the market is thought to be the Integra Research RDC-7. $4000 and not discounted much. It's supposed to give the Theta Casablanca ($14k) a good run for its money. The Parasound AVC-2500u isn't so bad for $3500, but reduction in both specs and actual performance/features not worth, IMHO, the $500 savings, as compared to the RDC-7 (actually, more, because some respectable discounts are available if you know how to shop). It lacks an AC3 demodulator for LDs and an analog record monitor loop -- either would be reason enough for me to forgo it. The Denon AVP-8000 lists for $3500, but can be had for about $1K less (again, if you know how...). Can be found used for $1000-$1500. Some claim it doesn't sound quite as good as the Parasound (my ears disagree, but what do I know?), but it does have the features the Parasound lacks, as well as Stereo Direct mode and several surround simulations for stereo sources. Any of these will support DPL (Dolby Prologic), DD5.1 and DTS. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 28 23:02:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:02:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> <3B631DA3.D14F7DC8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002d01c117a8$a73caa80$1b3442cf@sank1> Actually, Ron, reducing the filament voltage even 1volt will cause premature failure. This statement is backed up by my first edition "Audiocyclopedia". Tubes run at proper filament voltage continuously will last the longest, except, I think, for output stage power tubes, which are usually run pretty hard at idle. One big reason to prefer hybrid amps like the Moscode, which you can leave on continuously without a bit of worry. Which is what I & most of my clients with them do. I very much DO believe that a well designed & executed tube circuit sounds very much *actually* more accurate than an equally well done ss amp. The book I mentioned, "Understanding Tube Electronics", by Harvey Rosenberg, states the scientific case for this argument much better than I am able to. Don't have my excerpt handy to quote from, unfortunately. Bob "king of all techno-babble" Carver was not the orginal ss amp tube emulator attempt. The McIntosh MC2205 is widely regarded as having that credit, although it is not among my favorite Mac amps. Carver merely put a resistor in series with the output, to reduce damping factor. A joke, really. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not just > > for show. > > I wonder how you define 'accurate'... I am asking this > tongue in cheek because my understanding is that people > like 'tube sound' precisely because it is *not* accurate > (by *my* definition). As you probably know, it is easy > to achieve 'tube sound' in SS amps. IIRC, Carver was > the first to offer such an amp. > > > The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > > they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > > tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > First, a comment: tubes that run continuously (preferably, > with the filament at reduced voltage when not in actual > use) live *longer* than tubes that are switched off when > not in use. The reason is that the main cause of tube > failure is thermal shock. > > Second: to me, there are additional down sides to tubes, > that you did not mention. The mandatory use of so many > caps (not to mention, output transformers) adds complexity > and cost (as opposed to SS circuits). Also, reliability > is inherently lower, due to the high voltages and > temperature of operation (output tube envelopes exceed > 200C in operation). Also, the close proximity of filament > wiring to signal wiring either increases noise, or > requires DC heating (more complexity and more cost). > > There is more to this, but I don't want to venture into > highly controversial territory... > > -- Ron > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & MC2505 > > are > > > the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to be > > > "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, but > > > without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 is > > > 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is 50w/ch(85w > > > continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic cap > > > failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the glass > > meter > > > panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries about > > > future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is to > > > present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large > > degree > > > of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the sound > > of > > > the amp. Works very, very well. > > > The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the spectrum. > > > Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & > > detailed > > > on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the Threshold > > amps. > > > Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting into > > > upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. > > > >> > > > > > > Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it > > > goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, it > > > would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would > > sound > > > fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my > > > experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I understand > > > some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment but > > that > > > the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while this > > > thread is going on... > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jul 28 23:08:04 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:08:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3B5F480F.17D4D633@earthlink.net> <00b601c1157a$09299cc0$98ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3B5FEFCC.C7D1CC2A@concentric.net> <004001c115f3$c486f660$0a3442cf@sank1> <3B631F16.ADB931D0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001f01c117a9$65017230$3f756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> If you call Nakamichi and ask Patty nicely she will send you a copy for free! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > > Yes, that's what I thought. I suspect the schematics > simply illustrate the circuit descriptions. Be that > as it may, I have a CR-7 and would like to have a > copy of this in my folder. I emailed the lucky winner > and offered to pay for a copy (I think it's safe to > say Nakamichi won't object to the copyright > infringement, if any). He hasn't got it yet, but > agreed, provided he can copy without harming the > original. If all this comes to pass, I'll upload > a scan of the copy to Wouter's server. It may come > in handy to one of the other hackers... > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Don't have that paper handy, but I am quite sure that it does not have full > > schematics, or anything beyond a few basic diagram excerpts. It is pretty > > much strictly what it says, a technical description of how the CR-7 systems > > work. Nothing more. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:24 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > > > > > > > > I notice that this 43 page Nakamichi publication just > > > went for $28.11 on ebay. Does anyone have any idea > > > what's in it? It was supposed to include "info, > > > schematics, specs, and more." > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 28 23:11:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:11:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6f.187ffcfe.28923481@aol.com> <013301c11660$a6575fa0$193442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B632A9B.7891E79A@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > While I'm not sure how good the reliability is, the Denon AVP-8000 is a > reasonably good preamp/processor w/DTS & AC-3. Reliability story: a friend of mine had an AVP-8000, which he bought solely because it was the best sound he heard at the time. The unit was very solid, EXCEPT for an irritating intermittent fault: once in a while the audio would cut out for anywhere from 5 to 25 seconds. This occurred every few days or weeks (but always at a crucial moment in a movie). Since he was away a lot, he asked me to use the unit and watch for a final failure, that never occurred. As the warranty almost expired (3 years), I shipped the AVP-8000 to Denon for repair. When it came back, the problem seemed to be solved, but it now acquired another fault, just as intermittent. Once every few weeks, it would wake up with a raspy sound from the left channel, that would quickly become normal, only to reappear a few weeks later. I again shipped the AVP-8000 to Denon. They kept it for quite a while, claiming that it worked absolutely normally and passed all diagnostics with flying colors. After 4 weeks, still unable to reproduce the problem, they simply shipped to me a brand new AVP-8000, complete with a new 3 year warranty. By now, I was completely enamored with the AVP-8000 sound, so I bought it. It's been working perfectly (Hardly a day passes that it's not playing). I am listening to it right now. During all of this I opened the unit up, to peek inside. It's built like a battleship, with heavy shielding around each board, all copper plated. Quality components. Neat. professional assembly. It weighs twice as much as the Parasound AVC-2500 and you can see where the weight goes. I truly believe it last a long time. -- Ron > A client of mine, that I > modified a stack of Cello equipment for, chose that preamp for his HT system > over some much more expensive units, on a price-no-object pre-proc hunt. > Saw one selling for $600 recently. The Nak CA-1 is supposed to be very > good, but I have no direct experience with it. > I gotta say, Sam, you sure would be crippling a PA-7 to use a Yamaha R-9 as > a preamp for it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > In a message dated 7/26/2001 7:50:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << As I've said, I regard the Nak PA-5/7/II amps as an improved expression > of > > Threshold's "zero global feedback" Stasis topology. They have a silky > > smooth, detailed top end "cleanness" that's hard to match. And they're > > pretty great at the rest of the spectrum, too. > > >> > > Don't get me wrong, the Nak PA-7 would look very nice in my system and I'm > > sure it has more than enough punch to drive my Polk's. However, is there > a > > preamp suited for surround sound? And then of course I would have to > > purchase a tuner. Man this stereo stuff can get expensive. > > > > I thought about using my R-9 Receiver as a tuner/preamp with some > > modification (e.g. could then use the Nak PA-7), but I still would be > without > > the ability to enjoy 5.1 surround sound without some clever workarounds. > Any > > thoughts? > > > > _Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 23:43:48 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Principles of Operation In-Reply-To: <3B631F16.ADB931D0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010728214348.7329.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> I have the principles of operation for the MR-1. If there is interest I will scan and send it to Wouter for his collection. There are no schematics, but, it goes into more detail on what the microprocessor is doing and why. It's interesting reading if you have no idea what goes inside the deck. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jul 28 23:50:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:50:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <00a001c115fb$321201a0$32031fac@brianm> <3B631DA3.D14F7DC8@concentric.net> <002d01c117a8$a73caa80$1b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B6333B3.E4B99AA5@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, Ron, reducing the filament voltage even 1volt will cause premature > failure. Only if you also leave the plate voltage full on. The preferred standby mode is very low to zero plate voltage and 50% to 90% filament voltage. A common ruse was to insert a series diode in the (AC) filament feed for stand by and short it for ON. This was done in millions of tube TV sets to increase tubes life. > This statement is backed up by my first edition "Audiocyclopedia". > Tubes run at proper filament voltage continuously will last the longest, > except, I think, for output stage power tubes, which are usually run pretty > hard at idle. One big reason to prefer hybrid amps like the Moscode, which > you can leave on continuously without a bit of worry. Which is what I & > most of my clients with them do. > I very much DO believe that a well designed & executed tube circuit sounds > very much *actually* more accurate than an equally well done ss amp. As I said, it depends on how one defines 'accurate'. We can talk about this until we are both blue in the face and still, probably not convince one another -- there's an emotional component to this issue that cannot be defied by technical considerations. > The > book I mentioned, "Understanding Tube Electronics", by Harvey Rosenberg, > states the scientific case for this argument much better than I am able to. > Don't have my excerpt handy to quote from, unfortunately. I jotted this down and will attempt to obtain this book. I am really curious. My Electronics upbringing is tube based (gives away ny age, I guess) and I am well aware of care and feeding of tube electronics. I heard (and built) hundreds of tube amps before hearing my first transistor amp. > Bob "king of all techno-babble" Carver was not the orginal ss amp tube > emulator attempt. The McIntosh MC2205 is widely regarded as having that > credit, although it is not among my favorite Mac amps. Carver merely put a > resistor in series with the output, to reduce damping factor. A joke, > really. I thought he also inserted a bandpass filter, to emulate the typical pentode/output transformer response, as well as a soft clipping circuit. At least, that's what I seem to remember of the article that described the tube like amp. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > Thoses who use tubes believe they are more accurate, so they are not > just > > > for show. > > > > I wonder how you define 'accurate'... I am asking this > > tongue in cheek because my understanding is that people > > like 'tube sound' precisely because it is *not* accurate > > (by *my* definition). As you probably know, it is easy > > to achieve 'tube sound' in SS amps. IIRC, Carver was > > the first to offer such an amp. > > > > > The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > > > they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > > > tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > > First, a comment: tubes that run continuously (preferably, > > with the filament at reduced voltage when not in actual > > use) live *longer* than tubes that are switched off when > > not in use. The reason is that the main cause of tube > > failure is thermal shock. > > > > Second: to me, there are additional down sides to tubes, > > that you did not mention. The mandatory use of so many > > caps (not to mention, output transformers) adds complexity > > and cost (as opposed to SS circuits). Also, reliability > > is inherently lower, due to the high voltages and > > temperature of operation (output tube envelopes exceed > > 200C in operation). Also, the close proximity of filament > > wiring to signal wiring either increases noise, or > > requires DC heating (more complexity and more cost). > > > > There is more to this, but I don't want to venture into > > highly controversial territory... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:27 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/26/2001 12:05:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > > > << The first generation solid state Mac amps, of which the MC2105 & > MC2505 > > > are > > > > the two lower of the three model archetypes, are what I consider to > be > > > > "musically gorgeous" rather than "transparent". Very sweet & smooth, > but > > > > without glossing over any detail, and with serious "balls". The 2105 > is > > > > 100w/ch(130w continuous measured on my bench) & the 2505 is > 50w/ch(85w > > > > continuous measured). Aside from a rather rare small electrolytic > cap > > > > failure, they are virtually bulletproof(actually, other than the > glass > > > meter > > > > panel, they are literally bulletproof), so absolutely no worries > about > > > > future serviceability. The point of using the output autoformers is > to > > > > present the amp circuits with a fairly constant load & give a large > > > degree > > > > of reduction in the amount that speaker load anomalies affect the > sound > > > of > > > > the amp. Works very, very well. > > > > The Nak PA-5/7/II stasis amps are on the transparent end of the > spectrum. > > > > Not the ultimate in transparency, but close, and also very smooth & > > > detailed > > > > on top. I consider them to be a more refined version of the > Threshold > > > amps. > > > > Can't think of an amp that could better the Naks, short of getting > into > > > > upgraded Moscode & higher priced territory. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ok I know I'm about to ask another baby question here, but here it > > > > goes...where can I learn more about modern tube amps? On the surface, > it > > > > would appear that a well built tube amp, once the tubes warm up; would > > > sound > > > > fantastic. I like the "warmth" and smoothness of tubes (although my > > > > experience with them is limited to the old CB Radio arena). I > understand > > > > some manufacturers make tube amps and other types of tube equipment > but > > > that > > > > the tubes are more for show and not performance. Any thoughts while > this > > > > thread is going on... > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 01:48:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:48:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <80.dbfd0b3.2894a935@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2001 3:50:34 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [...] > However, is there a preamp suited for surround sound? The best preamp on the market is thought to be the Integra Research RDC-7. $4000 and not discounted much. It's supposed to give the Theta Casablanca ($14k) a good run for its money. The Parasound AVC-2500u isn't so bad for $3500, but reduction in both specs and actual performance/features not worth, IMHO, the $500 savings, as compared to the RDC-7 (actually, more, because some respectable discounts are available if you know how to shop). It lacks an AC3 demodulator for LDs and an analog record monitor loop -- either would be reason enough for me to forgo it. The Denon AVP-8000 lists for $3500, but can be had for about $1K less (again, if you know how...). Can be found used for $1000-$1500. Some claim it doesn't sound quite as good as the Parasound (my ears disagree, but what do I know?), but it does have the features the Parasound lacks, as well as Stereo Direct mode and several surround simulations for stereo sources. Any of these will support DPL (Dolby Prologic), DD5.1 and DTS. -- Ron >> Hi Ron, Thank you, I really appreciate the advise. It's funny how something's come "full circle." I originally was going to purchase a really sweet Onkyo amp and preamp when I was putting my system together. I REALLY liked the looks of those two big green VU meters. At that time (e.g. 1986 / 1987) I didn't plan on purchasing a mixing board and needed more inputs than any of the preamps available to me could handle. (e.g. 2 VCR's, 2 tape decks, 2 CD players, 1 turntable, 1 tuner, a possibility of a reel-to-reel deck and another turntable = 10 units). I eventually ended up purchasing a mixer and began my "light" dj career, minus the extra turntable and reel-to-reel deck. So now the preamps that I reviewed would have worked well as the outputs are running through the mixing board and I no longer use all of the inputs my Yamaha R-9 receiver offers. Who would have guessed back then that home theater would have taken off like it has. At that time I was ahead of the curve. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 01:53:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:53:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation Message-ID: <59.dbee13a.2894aa96@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2001 4:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << If you call Nakamichi and ask Patty nicely she will send you a copy for free! John >> Hi John, Now that I own a CR-7 I would like a copy as well. What is Patty's telephone number, I'll ask her nicely. :-) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 02:07:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:07:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - The CD is Dead! Message-ID: <33.188a50ce.2894adb2@aol.com> Hi All, For those of you interested, the enclosed link features an article from Home Theater Magazine on the future and potential end of the Compact Disc in it's current format. Interesting read, we'll have to see what happens. Most interesting is that the new format Sony and Phillips is "betting on" is the closest thing to the analog sound in the digital format. We have gone full circle. Enjoy! -Sam The Bell Tolls for the CD http://www.hometheatermag.com/showarchives.cgi?77 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jul 29 02:38:44 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:38:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <59.dbee13a.2894aa96@aol.com> Message-ID: <006301c117c6$d324c3d0$3f756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Stephen (Sank) Can you give these guys Patty's number, I have it at work. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > In a message dated 7/28/2001 4:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << If you call Nakamichi and ask Patty nicely she will send you a copy for > free! > > John >> > > Hi John, > > Now that I own a CR-7 I would like a copy as well. What is Patty's telephone > number, I'll ask her nicely. :-) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 03:06:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:06:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and legend? Message-ID: <114.25abedd.2894bba1@aol.com> Now that I've had my CR-7 for a week, I wanted to share a few observations with you and ask for any feedback any of you may have to what I've discovered. Playback I am still pleasantly surprised at the playback capabilities of the CR-7. Per the much appreciated advise of this group I choose to purchase a CR-7 over a long-desired Dragon and 700 II Tri Tracer as it was known for it's recording performance. Moreover, all of the reviews I could find support the claims of an "automatic 1000ZXL." However, no one told me that the playback performance, usually an area the Dragon is frequently mentioned; would be so good. And for portable cassette, a medium that has been plagued by poor low end performance, tapes played on my CR-7 reveal a rich, warm, soft and "steady" bass that was not present in my BX-150 or partly present in my Teac RX-919. I can't say enough about the playback. Granted, almost anything sounds "good" running through my system, but to even a bystander the playback performance is simply gorgeous! Playback Rating: A+ Recording This is the critical area for me as a growing music producer/musician/occassional DJ, I am constantly creating new music projects. Without effort I could easily create new music compilations or CD's everyday. So this is where I expected the reputation to live up to the hype. And, with one small exception I am not disappointed. The new benchmark for cassette recording for me has been Brian Graham's CR-7 recording. Maybe it's credit to his entire system, but the recording he made for me is truly one of the very best I've ever heard. No hiss without Dolby, flat, clean, precise, rich and full of warm sound. I have some great cassette recordings, but they pale to his. Now, if any of you wish to send me a cassette using your favorite Nak I welcome your recordings to enjoy. (would be nice to hear a 700 II, 1000ZXL and Dragon recording, not to mention a Revox B215 or Tandberg 3014a - smile) I've been recording and the results with Maxell XL-II are simply superb. Although I'm using my "lesser than" CD player (a JVC XL-F252 carousel with 1-Bit PEM D-D converter) and not my main player (a Denon DCD-1520 with real 20-Bit/8 Times Oversampling) the results are wonderful to the ear. And, although it may all be in my head, the best performance has been achieved using Maxell XL-II S cassettes. Unfortunately, the performance with Type IV metal tapes leaves something to be desired. I've made two recordings using new Maxell MX-S II's and have been highly disappointed. Whether I'm using Dolby B or C, the sound is muddled and not the usual "harsh" or "metallic" sound that is common with metal tapes. It could be me, it could be the Dolby C circuitry, or it could be my deck. I will try again using an old TDK MA-110 as I've used both of my only new MX-S II's. It seems odd that the performance is superb with Type II and not with Type IV. I'm curious to learn of if any of this group's experience with metal tapes and the CR-7 are similar. Recording Ratings Normal: No rating as I don't record using normal formulated cassettes. However, given the auto-calibration system it would be interesting to experiment with results of this tape type. Has anyone on this list used normal tapes with remarkable results? Type II: A+ Type IV: C- Other tidbits... Remote Control rating: B This is an area that I thought Nakamichi would excel. Although it is minor, I find the remote to be bulky, poorly constructed, and only operates in line-of-sight of the remote sensor. After using the small and sturdy remote that ships with the Teac R-919X, the CR-7's remote is no match. Given the four pads along the bottom it does appear that the intended use is to be placed on a table in line with the deck. The azimuth adjustment capabilities built into the remote is a nice addition. Motors rating: A+ Fast, quite, quick, very nice. At first it appeared as if they were moving a "tad" slower than my BX-150 in direct A/B comparison with the same source music. But after playing cassettes created using my CR-7 on other decks, the tempo or speed is fine. Soft Touch Control ratings: A Very nice, easy to touch, quick response. The feel is bit like rubber, and the buttons do not feel as sturdy or able to take abuse as the incredible button assembly on my BX-150. However, this deck is not in an environment where it will see any abuse so it is not an issue. Just a personal preference as over the past 14 years my BX-150 buttons have proven themselves indestructible. Meter Ratings: A++ Best I've used, including the Tascam 112 MKII VU meters. The 24-segment peak meters provides complete control over your recording levels, easy to view from any angle, and "right-on" accurate. Although the Teac R-919X meters were a welcomed step-up from the BX-150 meters, neither deck's metering systems can touch the CR-7 meters. I have observed a strange "3 db peak" in one channel over the other on occasion and will reserve judgment. Not sure if it is my deck or the music source. This also occurred when using the Type IV cassettes. Nonetheless, the only deck I owned that came close was the sub $300 JVC I've mentioned in previous post as it also featured 24-segments with peak levels. Buttons, Knobs, faders, lights rating: A+ Sturdy, reactive, light to the touch, and accurate. I've never seen faders on any other decks except Nakamichi. And, the "professional" faders are a welcome feature and work wonders in both normal and quick modes. Excellent! Summary This is a class A tape deck that is capable of creating and reproducing a sound that is highly uncommon for the portable cassette medium. Since there are many factors that could have lead to the poor Type IV performance, I will have to reserve judgment and check with the technician that worked on my deck to determine if this was nothing more than a case of damaged cassette or "operator failure" and not representative of any problems with my deck. It is important to note that this deck had a bias drift problem that has been repaired, and features two very nice modifications to the azimuth adjustment (1/2 steps vs. full steps) and the IC - OpAmp modifications. I believe part of the wonderful breath, spaciousness, and "clean" sound is due in part to the IC-OpAmp modification and the service that also dropped my w/f by .5. People who listen to my cassettes in my car ask "is that a CD?" One final question - Is that a compliment? (smile) Any thoughts on my comments are much appreciated. -SamTheCR-7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 29 03:20:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:20:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <59.dbee13a.2894aa96@aol.com> <006301c117c6$d324c3d0$3f756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <000901c117cc$b6819f40$2a3442cf@sank1> Nak USA- 800-421-2313, then navigate menu system to parts dept. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > Stephen (Sank) > > Can you give these guys Patty's number, I have it at work. Thank you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > > > > In a message dated 7/28/2001 4:10:13 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > > > << If you call Nakamichi and ask Patty nicely she will send you a copy for > > free! > > > > John >> > > > > Hi John, > > > > Now that I own a CR-7 I would like a copy as well. What is Patty's > telephone > > number, I'll ask her nicely. :-) > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 03:18:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:18:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and l... Message-ID: I meant to type Brian Miller, my apologies. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 03:26:27 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:26:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation Message-ID: <3d.f164b22.2894c043@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2001 8:20:37 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Nak USA- 800-421-2313, then navigate menu system to parts dept. >> Thanks Stephen. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jul 29 04:12:02 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:12:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and legend? References: <114.25abedd.2894bba1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B6370F2.FF6B1CCB@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Now that I've had my CR-7 for a week, I wanted to share a few observations > with you and ask for any feedback any of you may have to what I've discovered. > > Playback > > I am still pleasantly surprised at the playback capabilities of the CR-7. > Per the much appreciated advise of this group I choose to purchase a CR-7 > over a long-desired Dragon and 700 II Tri Tracer as it was known for it's > recording performance. Moreover, all of the reviews I could find support the > claims of an "automatic 1000ZXL." > > However, no one told me that the playback performance, usually an area the > Dragon is frequently mentioned; would be so good. And for portable cassette, > a medium that has been plagued by poor low end performance, tapes played on > my CR-7 reveal a rich, warm, soft and "steady" bass that was not present in > my BX-150 or partly present in my Teac RX-919. I can't say enough about the > playback. Granted, almost anything sounds "good" running through my system, > but to even a bystander the playback performance is simply gorgeous! > > Playback Rating: A+ This agrees with my own experience, as I have already posted. > Recording > > This is the critical area for me as a growing music > producer/musician/occassional DJ, I am constantly creating new music > projects. Without effort I could easily create new music compilations or > CD's everyday. So this is where I expected the reputation to live up to the > hype. And, with one small exception I am not disappointed. > > The new benchmark for cassette recording for me has been Brian Graham's CR-7 > recording. Maybe it's credit to his entire system, but the recording he made > for me is truly one of the very best I've ever heard. No hiss without Dolby, > flat, clean, precise, rich and full of warm sound. I have some great > cassette recordings, but they pale to his. > > Now, if any of you wish to send me a cassette using your favorite Nak I > welcome your recordings to enjoy. (would be nice to hear a 700 II, 1000ZXL > and Dragon recording, not to mention a Revox B215 or Tandberg 3014a - smile) > > I've been recording and the results with Maxell XL-II are simply superb. > Although I'm using my "lesser than" CD player (a JVC XL-F252 carousel with > 1-Bit PEM D-D converter) and not my main player (a Denon DCD-1520 with real > 20-Bit/8 Times Oversampling) the results are wonderful to the ear. And, > although it may all be in my head, the best performance has been achieved > using Maxell XL-II S cassettes. > > Unfortunately, the performance with Type IV metal tapes leaves something to > be desired. I've made two recordings using new Maxell MX-S II's and have > been highly disappointed. Whether I'm using Dolby B or C, the sound is > muddled and not the usual "harsh" or "metallic" sound that is common with > metal tapes. It could be me, it could be the Dolby C circuitry, or it could > be my deck. I will try again using an old TDK MA-110 as I've used both of my > only new MX-S II's. It seems odd that the performance is superb with Type II > and not with Type IV. I'm curious to learn of if any of this group's > experience with metal tapes and the CR-7 are similar. > > Recording Ratings > > Normal: No rating as I don't record using normal formulated cassettes. > However, given the auto-calibration system it would be interesting to > experiment with results of this tape type. Has anyone on this list used > normal tapes with remarkable results? > > Type II: A+ > Type IV: C- My own experience with type IV is different. I have TDK MA100 and MA110. Neither sounds to me 'harsh' or metallic. Both sound very clean, even when recording level hovers continuously in the +3db to +7db area (XL-II is not that forgiving). I wonder if your deck ZX eq. adjustment is correct? Any other CR-7 owners care to comment on this? > > Other tidbits... > > Remote Control rating: B > > This is an area that I thought Nakamichi would excel. Although it is minor, > I find the remote to be bulky, poorly constructed, and only operates in > line-of-sight of the remote sensor. After using the small and sturdy remote > that ships with the Teac R-919X, the CR-7's remote is no match. Given the > four pads along the bottom it does appear that the intended use is to be > placed on a table in line with the deck. The azimuth adjustment capabilities > built into the remote is a nice addition. I programmed the CR-7 codes into my universal gismo (Marantz RC-5000i) and stored the original away. It works from anywhere in the room, aimed at almost any direction. My great peeve is that ON/OFF is not remotely controllable. I solved this for now by plugging the deck into an X-10 appliance module and adding ON and OFF button to the deck remote screen. It works fine, except that switching off must be done from the remote, or next time I will not be able to turn the deck on from the remote. A minor annoyance. > Motors rating: A+ > > Fast, quite, quick, very nice. At first it appeared as if they were moving a > "tad" slower than my BX-150 in direct A/B comparison with the same source > music. But after playing cassettes created using my CR-7 on other decks, the > tempo or speed is fine. As posted at the time, I had a problem with the capstan motor, that was tiresome to fix. I now know never to neglect an annual service, which should include capstan bearing lubrication. > Soft Touch Control ratings: A > > Very nice, easy to touch, quick response. The feel is bit like rubber, and > the buttons do not feel as sturdy or able to take abuse as the incredible > button assembly on my BX-150. However, this deck is not in an environment > where it will see any abuse so it is not an issue. Just a personal > preference as over the past 14 years my BX-150 buttons have proven themselves > indestructible. I agree. > Meter Ratings: A++ > > Best I've used, including the Tascam 112 MKII VU meters. The 24-segment peak > meters provides complete control over your recording levels, easy to view > from any angle, and "right-on" accurate. Although the Teac R-919X meters > were a welcomed step-up from the BX-150 meters, neither deck's metering > systems can touch the CR-7 meters. I have observed a strange "3 db peak" in > one channel over the other on occasion and will reserve judgment. Not sure > if it is my deck or the music source. This also occurred when using the Type > IV cassettes. Nonetheless, the only deck I owned that came close was the sub > $300 JVC I've mentioned in previous post as it also featured 24-segments with > peak levels. I disagree. The one thing I kiss from my old 582 were the analog meters. Making calibrated tapes on the CR-7 was a bear, not to mention that I am not sure they came out as well calibrated as I had hoped for. (When the bar between -5 and 0 just lights, how many db is that, exactly?) For audio recordings, the meters provide reasonable indication. Still, *nothing* beats good analog meters with proper response and decay times. > Buttons, Knobs, faders, lights rating: A+ > > Sturdy, reactive, light to the touch, and accurate. I've never seen faders > on any other decks except Nakamichi. And, the "professional" faders are a > welcome feature and work wonders in both normal and quick modes. Excellent! > > Summary > > This is a class A tape deck that is capable of creating and reproducing a > sound that is highly uncommon for the portable cassette medium. Since there > are many factors that could have lead to the poor Type IV performance, I will > have to reserve judgment and check with the technician that worked on my deck > to determine if this was nothing more than a case of damaged cassette or > "operator failure" and not representative of any problems with my deck. > > It is important to note that this deck had a bias drift problem that has been > repaired, and features two very nice modifications to the azimuth adjustment > (1/2 steps vs. full steps) and the IC - OpAmp modifications. Sam, have you noticed any situation (perhaps, with an older prerecorded tapes), where the azimuth control required turning all the way to one extreme? > I believe part > of the wonderful breath, spaciousness, and "clean" sound is due in part to > the IC-OpAmp modification and the service that also dropped my w/f by .5. > People who listen to my cassettes in my car ask "is that a CD?" One final > question - Is that a compliment? When the source was a CD, yes, I think it is! During recording of a CD, the music sound the same, whether I select source or tape monitoring. To me, that's the highest compliment I can pay a tape deck. -- Ron > (smile) Any thoughts on my comments are much > appreciated. > > -SamTheCR-7Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 29 04:09:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:09:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Principles of Operation References: <20010728214348.7329.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c117d3$81944240$4f289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, I'd very much like to know this story behind the nak deck, is it on your site / cd yet ? Best rgerads, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 4:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Principles of Operation > I have the principles of operation for the MR-1. If > there is interest I will scan and send it to Wouter > for his collection. > > There are no schematics, but, it goes into more detail > on what the microprocessor is doing and why. It's > interesting reading if you have no idea what goes > inside the deck. > > SJ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 29 04:30:17 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:30:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3d.f164b22.2894c043@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c117d6$9247be20$4f289bca@smarzuki> Sam, what's your phone number ? After you get the copy I would then have to ask you nicely. :-) Just kidding, too bad I'm half world away from Patty. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation > In a message dated 7/28/2001 8:20:37 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Nak USA- 800-421-2313, then navigate menu system to parts dept. >> > > Thanks Stephen. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From TjBrann at aol.com Sun Jul 29 04:45:48 2001 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:45:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1025 Message-ID: <67.17846ab1.2894d2dc@aol.com> Sam, I'd be more than happy to send you a recording made off my own NAK, but with one proviso.................I won't tell you which model it is until AFTER you have a listen. You will also have to tell what kind of music you're into, mailing address, name, etc etc. I do have a bias...............considering we're talking about an analogue piece of equipment..............I think it a bit absurd to record a digital source............I'd be sending you a recording from my vinyl collection. Take Care, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 29 04:52:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:52:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and legend? References: <114.25abedd.2894bba1@aol.com> <3B6370F2.FF6B1CCB@concentric.net> Message-ID: <012701c117dd$bff80bc0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron & Sam, Additional note on motor - my cr4 problem dissapeared after I disassembled takeup shaft and put some grease + bit lube on it. Felt rough when I tried to pull it out (hardening grease ?) and now it's been a week without a glitch. Maybe DD deck owners needs to pay more attention on capstan maintenance ? And on meters - I really like my 482 meter's response, seems like needles move 'on spot', very unlike other meters ... how could such thing prevent overshoot ?! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Motors rating: A+ > > > > Fast, quite, quick, very nice. At first it appeared as if they were moving a > > "tad" slower than my BX-150 in direct A/B comparison with the same source > > music. But after playing cassettes created using my CR-7 on other decks, the > > tempo or speed is fine. > > As posted at the time, I had a problem with the capstan > motor, that was tiresome to fix. I now know never to > neglect an annual service, which should include capstan > bearing lubrication. > > > Meter Ratings: A++ > > > > I disagree. The one thing I kiss from my old 582 were > the analog meters. Making calibrated tapes on the CR-7 > was a bear, not to mention that I am not sure they came > out as well calibrated as I had hoped for. (When the > bar between -5 and 0 just lights, how many db is that, > exactly?) > > For audio recordings, the meters provide reasonable > indication. Still, *nothing* beats good analog meters > with proper response and decay times. > > > -- Ron > > > > -SamTheCR-7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Jul 29 06:46:37 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:16:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and legend? Message-ID: <20010729044637.41DE6114984@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 07:03:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:03:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation Message-ID: <4f.eef535a.2894f313@aol.com> In a message dated 7/28/2001 9:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam, what's your phone number ? After you get the copy I would then have to ask you nicely. :-) Just kidding, too bad I'm half world away from Patty. Best regards, Salim SM >> LOL - depending upon the length, we could create a .pdf version and post it to Wouter's website. What do you guys think? Any copyright infringement in doing that? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM >> Thanks Salim. My CR-7 was serviced before coming to me. I'm going to try the metal tape again and see what happens. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 07:39:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:39:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and ... Message-ID: <124.25e5d6c.2894fba3@aol.com> "My own experience with type IV is different. I have TDK MA100 and MA110. Neither sounds to me 'harsh' or metallic. Both sound very clean, even when recording level hovers continuously in the +3db to +7db area (XL-II is not that forgiving). I wonder if your deck ZX eq. adjustment is correct? Any other CR-7 owners care to comment on this?" I did "push" the levels and that may have effected the final recording. However, I have been keeping the levels around +3 - +5 for XL-II peaks and the final results have produced a very clean and warm sound. But I share your concerns as in the past I have found XL-II's not very forgiving for music continually pushed to the limits. Again, my CR-7 Type II recordings are almost VERY nice. What is strange that when I play the metal tape in my other decks it sounds like a metal tape, but not when I play it back in my CR-7. "I programmed the CR-7 codes into my universal gismo (Marantz RC-5000i) and stored the original away. It works from anywhere in the room, aimed at almost any direction." Same here, I will program it into my Sony universal-touch-screen-Star Trekish-everything in everything remote this weekend. Gotta find the manual. :-( "My great peeve is that ON/OFF is not remotely controllable. I solved this for now by plugging the deck into an X-10 appliance module and adding ON and OFF button to the deck remote screen. It works fine, except that switching off must be done from the remote, or next time I will not be able to turn the deck on from the remote. A minor annoyance." Interesting. I have all of my components' power interconnected using the fixed outlets on the back of my receiver and graphic eq. with the remaining units plugged into a power strip with surge protection and connected to my timer. So, with the push of two buttons all of my gear powers up. Before I purchased my timer and mixer, everything was connected to my receiver and I could turn everything on using the remote. A very nice setup that I sometimes miss. Really impresses the ladies... (smile) "I disagree. The one thing I kiss from my old 582 were the analog meters. Making calibrated tapes on the CR-7 was a bear, not to mention that I am not sure they came out as well calibrated as I had hoped for. (When the bar between -5 and 0 just lights, how many db is that, exactly?) For audio recordings, the meters provide reasonable indication. Still, *nothing* beats good analog meters with proper response and decay times." I am currently working with Tascam 112MKII's and I'm only recording live audio (teaching and church services) and they're ok. Maybe if we were using these decks in a different application I could appreciate their VU meters more. They are fine for the cassette backups we record. But I like the CR-7 meters, especially versus the BX-150 meters. "Sam, have you noticed any situation (perhaps, with an older prerecorded tapes), where the azimuth control required turning all the way to one extreme?" No I haven't. I haven't played any prerecorded tapes on my CR-7. Those are played in my BX -150. I don't plan on playing any in my CR-7. So far I've only played the tapes I've been recording. Most are new, with a few I've recorded over to test the erase abilities and sound with this deck. "When the source was a CD, yes, I think it is! During recording of a CD, the music sound the same, whether I select source or tape monitoring. To me, that's the highest compliment I can pay a tape deck." -- Ron True Ron, I too switched back and forth and except for the 100th of a second(or whatever it is) delay you hear when you switch from source to tape, they are the same. One additional rule-of-thumb I use is the totally unscientific test of how the cassette sounds on other equipment. And especially in my car. And when the recording sounds clean and rich on various devices I believe you have a good recording. Again, I listened to a Jazz Vocals cassette I made using a XL-II S all day today and it simply sounds gorgeous! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 07:59:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:59:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and l... Message-ID: <72.d7bf166.28950058@aol.com> Hi Kannan, "CR7 playback and monitor amp sides are the best I have heard in terms of transparency. Any tape recorded on unknown cassette decks and small sony boom boxes played excellent - Sound was more transparent but Dragon's playback sound is warmer ( mid range and low frequency extension seem a bit different) and sounds less transparent on High Frequency. This could be probably due to the age of the Dragon that is with me! But Dragon Automatic Azimuth Adjust makes me go for Dragon when I want to play cassette. Changing all opamps to OP275 ( in the playback circuit of Dragon )had done a lot to improve the playback quality but the sound of Dragon is little different from CR7." Yes, maybe one day I'll purchase a Dragon (they same to command top dollar high above all other decks on eBay). I'm sure it is nice to have them both side by side to A/B with. Stephen suggested the OP275 modification and he was right on. I don't know what my deck sounded like without the upgrade, and it may be slight but my sound is very clean, clear, balanced, and wonderful to listen to. "Recording on TDK MA - fantastic and unbelivably source like! Still one can hear a little colouration( very very subtle and you require lot of concentration to detect it) I have not tried other metals but Maxell XLS II is definitely not that great as TDK SA. Somehow Nak and TDK seem well adjusted." I'll try with a TDK MA-110 I have lying around here and I was thinking of picking up a new one to experiment with. But I find it hard to believe that the sound of a TDK SA could top what I am currently experiencing with the Maxell XL-II's. I'll try it and let you know my results. "Sam I think you may have to try using TDK MA and calibrate before use and might change your openion." I will. But when I recorded with the Maxell had some strange things happen. (e.g. at first no sound, then I heard the test tone, then hit stop and started over again. I don't remember if I recalibrated after that event. And, although I believe I did I don't recall if I hit the "reset" button next to the "auto-calibration" button. So I will try again. "No wonder 1000ZXl is the machine for accurate tape calibration - it does at 5 frequencies / at 3 levels for each of these frequencies! It is also calibrated to to be accurate within 0.5 db for entire audio spectrum!" The "challenge" I have with the 1000ZXL is that it is all manual. And, if you record as often as I do you don't (or I don't) have the patience to constantly make adjustments every time I make a recording. One of the high selling points for me with the CR-7 is the auto-calibration system. I like being able to take a blank tape, place it in the deck, press the calibration button, and start recording. Just me I guess... "...all these observations are applicable only if you care to focus on source and tape on monitoring during recording. Otherwise the recording for a bystander will be very good to excellent." I guess it's a habit, but unless I'm not working at another task I usually listen to my recording in real time with my headphones connected to the deck and monitor my recording. The only problem with this method is that you tend to play around with the L/R signals as your music sources change (during compilation recordings from different sources) and that can ruin your overall recording constantly changing these levels. Anyone else do this? "Buttons and remote - i care less about these things but felt compelled to say that 480' button feel and actions were far superior to any of the other naks ( I have not experienced on 680 series anyway" I've never seen, heard or played with a 480 but I'll take your word. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Jul 29 08:41:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 02:41:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: This is the lowest I seen one of these decks go for? Is it the flash from the camera as I don't recall the meters being white? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257693141 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jul 29 12:43:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:43:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and l... References: <72.d7bf166.28950058@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c1181b$3dc21e00$253442cf@sank1> When I had your CR-7 here, I did test with an MX-S, and it calibrated quite properly. I think what you are hearing is what Kannan alluded to. The MX-S(and XLII-S) has an elevated high frequency. It's up about 2dB at 10k & 2.5-3dB at 15k. Therefore, the CR-7 will tend to overbias it to bring the 15k response to flat. This will possibly cause the perception of depressed top end in music recording. My 700ZXL mod client was just commenting on the same effect with MX-S on that machine, but to a lesser extent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and l... > Hi Kannan, > > "CR7 playback and monitor amp sides are the best I have heard in terms of > transparency. Any tape recorded on unknown cassette decks and small sony boom > boxes played excellent - Sound was more transparent but Dragon's playback > sound is warmer ( mid range and low frequency extension seem a bit different) > and sounds less transparent on High Frequency. This could be probably due to > the age of the Dragon that is with me! But Dragon Automatic Azimuth Adjust > makes me go for Dragon when I want to play cassette. Changing all opamps to > OP275 ( in the playback circuit of Dragon )had done a lot to improve the > playback quality but the sound of Dragon is little different from CR7." > > Yes, maybe one day I'll purchase a Dragon (they same to command top dollar > high above all other decks on eBay). I'm sure it is nice to have them both > side by side to A/B with. Stephen suggested the OP275 modification and he > was right on. I don't know what my deck sounded like without the upgrade, > and it may be slight but my sound is very clean, clear, balanced, and > wonderful to listen to. > > "Recording on TDK MA - fantastic and unbelivably source like! Still one can > hear a little colouration( very very subtle and you require lot of > concentration to detect it) > I have not tried other metals but Maxell XLS II is definitely not that great > as TDK SA. Somehow Nak and TDK seem well adjusted." > > I'll try with a TDK MA-110 I have lying around here and I was thinking of > picking up a new one to experiment with. But I find it hard to believe that > the sound of a TDK SA could top what I am currently experiencing with the > Maxell XL-II's. I'll try it and let you know my results. > > "Sam I think you may have to try using TDK MA and calibrate before use and > might change your openion." > > I will. But when I recorded with the Maxell had some strange things happen. > (e.g. at first no sound, then I heard the test tone, then hit stop and > started over again. I don't remember if I recalibrated after that event. > And, although I believe I did I don't recall if I hit the "reset" button next > to the "auto-calibration" button. So I will try again. > > > "No wonder 1000ZXl is the machine for accurate tape calibration - it does at > 5 frequencies / at 3 levels for each of these frequencies! It is also > calibrated to to be accurate within 0.5 db for entire audio spectrum!" > > > The "challenge" I have with the 1000ZXL is that it is all manual. And, if > you record as often as I do you don't (or I don't) have the patience to > constantly make adjustments every time I make a recording. One of the high > selling points for me with the CR-7 is the auto-calibration system. I like > being able to take a blank tape, place it in the deck, press the calibration > button, and start recording. Just me I guess... > > "...all these observations are applicable only if you care to focus on source > and tape on monitoring during recording. Otherwise the recording for a > bystander will be very good to excellent." > > I guess it's a habit, but unless I'm not working at another task I usually > listen to my recording in real time with my headphones connected to the deck > and monitor my recording. The only problem with this method is that you tend > to play around with the L/R signals as your music sources change (during > compilation recordings from different sources) and that can ruin your overall > recording constantly changing these levels. Anyone else do this? > > "Buttons and remote - i care less about these things but felt compelled to > say that 480' button feel and actions were far superior to any of the other > naks ( I have not experienced on 680 series anyway" > > I've never seen, heard or played with a 480 but I'll take your word. (smile) > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jul 29 15:49:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:49:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <4f.eef535a.2894f313@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B641480.87CD417F@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/28/2001 9:39:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Sam, what's your phone number ? After you get the copy I would then have > to > ask you nicely. :-) Just kidding, too bad I'm half world away from Patty. > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > > LOL - depending upon the length, we could create a .pdf version and post it > to Wouter's website. What do you guys think? Any copyright infringement in > doing that? It's 43 pages long. I doubt copyright infringement is an issue. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sun Jul 29 17:02:16 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:02:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other model. It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio equipment, that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made modifications to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard on this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Sun, July 29, 2001 1:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? This is the lowest I seen one of these decks go for? Is it the flash from the camera as I don't recall the meters being white? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1257693141 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sun Jul 29 19:23:14 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:23:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell References: <6f.187ffcfe.28923481@aol.com> <3B632510.2C5B50CD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001101c11853$26a0a920$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> One of the many reasons I still one day a week at a high end shop, employee discounts, or as my wife refers to it, keeping my crazy hobby affordable. erie > > [...] > > However, is there a preamp suited for surround sound? > > The best preamp on the market is thought to be the Integra > Research RDC-7. $4000 and not discounted much. It's supposed > to give the Theta Casablanca ($14k) a good run for its > money. > > The Parasound AVC-2500u isn't so bad for $3500, but > reduction in both specs and actual performance/features not > worth, IMHO, the $500 savings, as compared to the RDC-7 > (actually, more, because some respectable discounts are > available if you know how to shop). It lacks an AC3 > demodulator for LDs and an analog record monitor loop -- > either would be reason enough for me to forgo it. > > The Denon AVP-8000 lists for $3500, but can be had for about > $1K less (again, if you know how...). Can be found used for > $1000-$1500. Some claim it doesn't sound quite as good as > the Parasound (my ears disagree, but what do I know?), but > it does have the features the Parasound lacks, as well as > Stereo Direct mode and several surround simulations for > stereo sources. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 30 00:18:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:18:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c1187c$6baa0380$583a883e@a4s1s2> Interesting point Misha. Indeed, I have noticed that, when fully working Leak tube tuners are selling they usually have the original tubes still in place, and those critters were made in something like the late 1950's through the 1960's. I also notice that many of the Eico amps (similar era?) often appear on e-Bay with original tubes in them. Misha, you said it is better for the tubes to be left on all the time. I have heard this said of SS equipment, that it actually prolongs the life of the SS equipment rather than switching on and off all the time. Do you, or any of the other guys have a view on this with regard SS gear? Is it true Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 27 July 2001 10:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Hi Brian, All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really long! And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be switched on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so big with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed tube amps than ss amps. Misha >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > >Brian Miller >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 30 00:18:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:18:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 portable In-Reply-To: <001901c1174f$da4dc6b0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <000101c1187c$6cc5d3c0$583a883e@a4s1s2> Heh! heh! Yeah, you'd not get away using 550 portable to make a bootleg recording unless you owned the venue! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carl Cobb Sent: 28 July 2001 11:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Stephen... One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've used the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with the pro dats C - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 30 00:55:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:55:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? References: <000001c1187c$6baa0380$583a883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00ce01c11881$99e5b320$823442cf@sank1> I can't think of a situation where a ss amp, preamp, etc., would have it's life expectancy prolonged by leaving powered up full time, but it certainly eliminates the warm up time. The amusing thing to me is that most high end ss gear takes FAR longer to really warm up than any tube gear. I don't know of any tube audio pieces that take more than an hour to reach full potential. Whereas ss amps & preamps can take over 24 hours to reach their fullest potential(not talking about initial break-in, just warm up at any point in a unit's life). It seems like the more "high end" a ss amp/preamp/dac is, the longer the warm up needed. And going back to Krell, their preamps are the worst case example. Sound absolutely horrible before their on for at least 12 hours, and don't sound their best until at least 24. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? > Interesting point Misha. Indeed, I have noticed that, when fully working > Leak tube tuners are selling they usually have the original tubes still in > place, and those critters were made in something like the late 1950's > through the 1960's. I also notice that many of the Eico amps (similar era?) > often appear on e-Bay with original tubes in them. > > Misha, you said it is better for the tubes to be left on all the time. I > have heard this said of SS equipment, that it actually prolongs the life of > the SS equipment rather than switching on and off all the time. Do you, or > any of the other guys have a view on this with regard SS gear? Is it true > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: 27 July 2001 10:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > Hi Brian, > > All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one > need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really long! > And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be switched > on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so big > with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed > tube amps than ss amps. > > Misha > > >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > >Brian Miller > >Michigan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jul 30 01:12:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:12:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? References: <000001c1187c$6baa0380$583a883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B649859.EA2C4904@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Interesting point Misha. Indeed, I have noticed that, when fully working > Leak tube tuners are selling they usually have the original tubes still in > place, and those critters were made in something like the late 1950's > through the 1960's. I also notice that many of the Eico amps (similar era?) > often appear on e-Bay with original tubes in them. > > Misha, you said it is better for the tubes to be left on all the time. I > have heard this said of SS equipment, that it actually prolongs the life of > the SS equipment rather than switching on and off all the time. Do you, or > any of the other guys have a view on this with regard SS gear? Is it true I don't know why would SS amps last longer when left continuously on, except for two factors that are a function of the design and may -- or may not -- be true for any specific model. First, turn on of high current power supplies involves a stiff jolt to several components. A good designer will definitely be aware of this and take measures to limit turn on inrush. However, there may be some lower cost or careless designs around. Second, continuous operation will keep the equipment at an elevated temperature. This prevents internal humidity and the problems it can cause. On the other hand, continuous operation of Class A power amp is *not* a good idea. These amps draw appreciable amount of current and run at seriously high temperatures, that are bad for most components in the unit. -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Mironov > Sent: 27 July 2001 10:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > Hi Brian, > > All equipment needs some time to warm-up anyway. Of course, one > need to replace tubes but if the amp set-up well tubes may last really long! > And it will be much better for tubes to run all the time than to be switched > on and off everytime you want to listen to it. So the problems is not so big > with the tubes but sound is great. However there is more purlu designed > tube amps than ss amps. > > Misha > > >for show. The down side of tubes is, you must wait for them to warm up, > >they need replaced periodically and if you just let your system run w/a > >tuner on, you are "using up" your valuable tubes! > > > >Brian Miller > >Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jul 30 01:32:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:32:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Message-ID: <11d.246d6d9.2895f714@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:27:34 AM Central Daylight Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << One of the many reasons I still one day a week at a high end shop, employee discounts, or as my wife refers to it, keeping my crazy hobby affordable. erie >> Not a bad idea Erie. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jul 30 01:33:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:33:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation Message-ID: <8f.df1a7f0.2895f739@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/2001 8:52:10 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << It's 43 pages long. I doubt copyright infringement is an issue. -- Ron >> Wow, that's long. Even in a .pdf format that would be a relatively large file to download. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jul 30 01:34:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:34:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: <81.dc04bf2.2895f791@aol.com> In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:01:58 AM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other model. It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio equipment, that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made modifications to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard on this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. Stan >> Good point Stan. However, with the help of Jeff and Stephen we can have anything repaired or modified. I think the having the older meters and not knowing who made the modification are affecting it's selling price as well. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jul 30 08:33:56 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:03:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20010730063356.7F1B11149AC@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 30 17:09:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:09:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up Message-ID: <001e01c1190b$6ff8de40$53289bca@smarzuki> Hi fellows, One pair of dragon's LED lights up constantly when deck gets warm (the "+6 db"). Sounds like shorted pins, I looked inside / indicator pcb and found none. Interestingly it's always the +6s and always both channel. Any idea which area to look for source of problem ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 30 15:49:22 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:49:22 +0700 Subject: 480 button - Re: [naktalk] A Day in the Life of a CR-7. Does it live up to the hype and legend? References: <20010729044637.41DE6114984@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001d01c1190b$6c89f640$53289bca@smarzuki> On 480's button operation - like: 'automatically' plays the tape when you flip sides, dislike: auto-forward when you finished forwarding one side to end. Kannan, I agree that 48x feel solid but don't you like 600's funky button ? :-) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: > Other things like metering - I had already commented on this - being excellent/ Buttons and remote - i care less about these things but felt compelled to say that 480' button feel and actions were far superior to any of the other naks ( I have not experienced on 680 series anyway) > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jul 30 17:48:30 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:48:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 550 portable Message-ID: Yes, someone is bound to notice the truck. Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/30/01 12:18AM >>> Heh! heh! Yeah, you'd not get away using 550 portable to make a bootleg recording unless you owned the venue! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carl Cobb Sent: 28 July 2001 11:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell Stephen... One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've used the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with the pro dats C - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 30 18:07:36 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:07:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 550 portable References: Message-ID: <003701c11911$c1da1d40$9865fea9@D9569601> I watched this guy take a Dead show at the Warfield many moons ago; he slung it over his back. He faked out the door person so well by getting them to focus on the arms and waist he waltzed right in with it; others were busted with Sony TCD5M decks. That guy had a lot of chutzpah; that was his SOP. Calr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 portable > Yes, someone is bound to notice the truck. > > Marc > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/30/01 12:18AM >>> > Heh! heh! Yeah, you'd not get away using 550 portable to make a bootleg > recording unless you owned the venue! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl Cobb > Sent: 28 July 2001 11:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > Stephen... > > One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've used > the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with the > pro dats > > C > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 30 19:25:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:25:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <001e01c1190b$6ff8de40$53289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017501c1191c$a8259ae0$823442cf@sank1> The two LED driver IC's operate as high/low sections, each chip doing both L&R channels. So, the first thing to do is exchange the positions of the two TA7612 driver IC's & see if the problem shifts to segments in the low range. If yes, than one of the chips is bad. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > Hi fellows, > > One pair of dragon's LED lights up constantly when deck gets warm (the "+6 > db"). Sounds like shorted pins, I looked inside / indicator pcb and found > none. Interestingly it's always the +6s and always both channel. Any idea > which area to look for source of problem ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 30 19:45:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:45:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, As usual, thanks for your prompt help. :-) If that 7612 is not expensive I'll replace the upper section ... ugh, that area is crammed / tightly spaced ! If chip is costly (very likely), is there any negative side effect if I just disconnect that led pair ? Best regards, Salim SM > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:25:40 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > The two LED driver IC's operate as high/low sections, each chip doing both > L&R channels. So, the first thing to do is exchange the positions of the > two TA7612 driver IC's & see if the problem shifts to segments in the low > range. If yes, than one of the chips is bad. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 30 20:17:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:17:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> Should be a very cheap chip, actually. They used the same chip in many cheaper models that came after, so you could scavenge a CR-1 or maybe a BX deck, if you needed to temporarily. If the chip is causing the problem, I would predict it will spread to other segments after a while. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > Hi Stephen, > > As usual, thanks for your prompt help. :-) If that 7612 is not expensive > I'll replace the upper section ... ugh, that area is crammed / tightly > spaced ! If chip is costly (very likely), is there any negative side effect > if I just disconnect that led pair ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:25:40 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > > > The two LED driver IC's operate as high/low sections, each chip doing both > > L&R channels. So, the first thing to do is exchange the positions of the > > two TA7612 driver IC's & see if the problem shifts to segments in the low > > range. If yes, than one of the chips is bad. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Jul 30 22:22:34 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:22:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <81.dc04bf2.2895f791@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B65C202.5F44533B@pacbell.net> I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so much like the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between these two decks? Thank you. SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:01:58 AM Central Daylight Time, > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > << The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other model. > > It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal > opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio equipment, > that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made modifications > to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard on > this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. > > Stan > >> > Good point Stan. However, with the help of Jeff and Stephen we can have > anything repaired or modified. I think the having the older meters and not > knowing who made the modification are affecting it's selling price as well. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jul 30 22:30:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:30:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: <15.17dceed8.28971dc9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/30/2001 3:17:15 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so much like the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between these two decks? Thank you. >> Congratulations on the 3014 A. Can you tell me more about the sound? I've read two reviews, one review they liked this deck with best results using metal tape. The other review was not that impressive. And, are the control buttons metal? One of the reviews mentioned something along the lines "...this deck was built for professional use..." Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Does anybody know the major differences between > these two > decks? Thank you. > >> > > Congratulations on the 3014 A. Can you tell me more about the sound? I've > read two reviews, one review they liked this deck with best results using > metal tape. The other review was not that impressive. And, are the control > buttons metal? One of the reviews mentioned something along the lines > "...this deck was built for professional use..." Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Jul 31 00:52:48 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:52:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps References: <14.17a43d28.2893378c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B65E540.B5047E31@snip.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/2001 1:05:01 PM Central Daylight Time, smoke at snip.net writes: > > "... had my Nakamichi 700ZXL in one loop (since replaced by CR-7a and now a Dragon) > and Stax..." > > Hi John, > > How would you compare the performance and sound of the CR-7 and Dragon vs. your 700 > ZXL? And, why did you sell the 700ZXL? Just curious.. > > -Sam Good question and the answer involves a logical evolution from a 700, to a 700(II), to a 700ZXL.to a CR7a, and finally to a Dragon. Originally I had a 700 which I got when it first came out and which served me well. I replaced it with a 700(II) after they came out. At that time, I had a dealer in the Northern Chicago suburbs who gave me really good prices. I moved to Philadelphia in late 83 to take a 9 month consulting opportunity which developed in to a full time job by summer of 84; but by this time I was going through a divorce, which meant that when I moved permanently to Philadelphia, I went from a large 4 bedroom home in Lake Forest IL with a dedicated listening room (it was close to perfect) to a two bedroom apartment in center city Philadelphia and I had my son (first year of high school) come to live with me. Fortunately, he also enjoyed good music reproduction. But space was at a premium. Nonetheless, at this time I picked up a number of pieces used and through trading up. These included the 700ZXL, Acoustat 2+2's, Spectral DMC-6 and a Souther arm for my turntable. (Amazingly, the Acoustat 2+2's saved floor space when compared to my previous Acoustat Model 3's.) The 700ZXL was a great unit and made tapes almost indistinguishable from the source (n my case at that time vinyl) and was especially great if you wanted to record live because it had three mic inputs, right, left and center, and mixing facilities. But it didn't have the outboard dolby C unit and I couldn't find one. Instead I got a HighCom (from Danby Radio where Stephen was working) and a DBX 224 pro (which I still have but don't currently use, but I might try it with my reel-to-reel). At that time I would make tapes of favorite cuts from a variety of records and put them together in preferred compilations, e.g., dynamite female vocals, with selections such as Joan Armatrading doing "Willow", with some Linda Ronstadt, Joni Mitchell, Amanda McBroom, Joan Baez, etc. all on the same C-90. In those days before CD's, this beat getting up after each cut to change the record. I was quite happy except that the 700ZXL didn't quit fit into the equipment rack like a CR7a would but I thought it was a better machine. But then I upgraded my car's system to a Nak TD1200II, PA350 and four Nak plates and things really changed because while the TD1200II was a Dragon for the car and had Dolby B and C, it couldn't do justice to HighCom and DBX encoded tapes. Try as I might I just couldn't find an outboard Dolby C Unit, plus I had never used the live recording capabilities of the 700ZXL. At this time a number of trusted sources with whom I discussed my problem told me that the CR7a, while it couldn't record live, did just as good a job as the 700ZXL and the Dragon and was easier to calibrate. Plus my 700ZXL was starting to act up (I believe it had belts) and when I got the estimate, I sold it to Dan Greenfield at Danby (where Stephen worked) and used the proceeds to buy a CR7a. In the process, I had gone from a very large box with two outboard boxes and assorted cabling to a single smaller rack sized box. With Dolby C recordings, I really didn't notice any significant difference from my recollection of the HighCom and DBX encoded tapes. (I didn't own both decks simyultaneously so I couldn't do an A-B comparison.) The CR7a was a great deck, and playing back tapes recorded on it, was wonderful, but sometimes pre-recorded budget tapes of classical music, which my wife liked to buy to use in her car, didn't sound as good in my CR7a in my home system as they did in the TD1200II in my car. Then, in late 99, I discovered Wouter's NAKTalk site and, among other things, learned my CR7a would need a gear upgrade. I also had put my TD1200II into my new car and was confronting making a lot of new tapes (many tapes I had made in the 80's and early 90's were stolen when my car was broken into). Liking the almost universal playback capabilities of my TD1200II, I found a mint Dragon on eBay, bought it, and sent it to Stephen to check out & service, and sold my CR7a to a fellow NAKtalker. My system is all apart right now awaiting installation of some new pieces, but I am looking forward to some serious recording in about a month or two. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 04:16:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:16:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <81.dc04bf2.2895f791@aol.com> <3B65C202.5F44533B@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <021501c11966$d7ffaae0$823442cf@sank1> Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added to the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly tweaked 3014. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so much like > the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between these two > decks? Thank you. > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:01:58 AM Central Daylight Time, > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > << The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other model. > > > > It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal > > opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio equipment, > > that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made modifications > > to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard on > > this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. > > > > Stan > > >> > > Good point Stan. However, with the help of Jeff and Stephen we can have > > anything repaired or modified. I think the having the older meters and not > > knowing who made the modification are affecting it's selling price as well. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Jul 31 05:16:21 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:16:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? In-Reply-To: <021501c11966$d7ffaae0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen - accroding to some, the best Tandberg ever was TCD 910 or TCD 911. Was it indeed any better than 3014 / 3014A? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Mon, July 30, 2001 9:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added to the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly tweaked 3014. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so much like > the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between these two > decks? Thank you. > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:01:58 AM Central Daylight Time, > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > << The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other model. > > > > It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal > > opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio equipment, > > that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made modifications > > to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard on > > this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. > > > > Stan > > >> > > Good point Stan. However, with the help of Jeff and Stephen we can have > > anything repaired or modified. I think the having the older meters and not > > knowing who made the modification are affecting it's selling price as well. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 05:37:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:37:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: Message-ID: <026501c11972$2ff16580$823442cf@sank1> I'm pretty sure the TCD-910 is merely a 3014 with balanced in/outs, but it's been a long time since I've seen one. Don't know the 911, that I can recall. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > Stephen - accroding to some, the best Tandberg ever was TCD 910 or TCD 911. > Was it indeed any better than 3014 / 3014A? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Mon, July 30, 2001 9:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than > $200? > > > Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the > 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added to > the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly > tweaked 3014. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > > I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so > much like > > the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between > these two > > decks? Thank you. > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2001 10:01:58 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > << The seller specifically talks about the meters being from some other > model. > > > > > > It is still 2 days to go, so the price can change. However, my personal > > > opinion is that whenever you have a 15-20 year old piece of audio > equipment, > > > that is non-standard, i.e., someone whom you do not know made > modifications > > > to, may keep potential buyers a little concerned. And as I have heard > on > > > this board, Tandbergs are not to easiest machines to work on. > > > > > > Stan > > > >> > > > Good point Stan. However, with the help of Jeff and Stephen we can have > > > anything repaired or modified. I think the having the older meters and > not > > > knowing who made the modification are affecting it's selling price as > well. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jul 31 06:22:00 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 550 portable References: <003701c11911$c1da1d40$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B663268.99FD13DA@snet.net> Now that's a tape I wouldn't mind having a low gen Nak copy of! Ed Carl Cobb wrote: > I watched this guy take a Dead show at the Warfield many moons ago; he slung > it over his back. He faked out the door person so well by getting them to > focus on the arms and waist he waltzed right in with it; others were busted > with Sony TCD5M decks. That guy had a lot of chutzpah; that was his SOP. > > Calr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 portable > > > Yes, someone is bound to notice the truck. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/30/01 12:18AM >>> > > Heh! heh! Yeah, you'd not get away using 550 portable to make a bootleg > > recording unless you owned the venue! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl Cobb > > Sent: 28 July 2001 11:26 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > Stephen... > > > > One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've > used > > the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with > the > > pro dats > > > > C > > > > - > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 31 06:59:59 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:29:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps Message-ID: <20010731045959.B1A95114B5E@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jul 31 07:44:13 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:44:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My 581 doesn't like FF or Rew... any ideas why? References: <20010731045959.B1A95114B5E@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B6645A8.ECA511B0@snet.net> Well I just fished a 581 and LX5 out of the basement of the local audio store for free. The LX5 I have not even started to get into, but I have done some preliminary stuff with the 581. The eject mechanism has the infamous cable clamp failure which is not a problem to work around (even if it is grounds for the shop tech to call it unrepairable... he's not a creative thinker). The odd thing that I've noted is that this deck does not want to go into ff and/or rew. One might work, but not the other... the control cam just sort of jerks a little from side to side while to pushbutton lamp flickers dimly. After a few minutes and tries it seems to come to life and do what it should consistently. Any ideas? Thanks, Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I now realze we need more manuals and other printed material for the TD series on the site! Thanks, Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Jul 31 10:28:25 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:28:25 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem References: <017501c1191c$a8259ae0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi all and Stephen! Last night took my 680ZX from the shell and start some repair work on it. I mantioned before that RAMM didn't work on this machine. Found one more problem - it won't automaticaly shut off when in back rewind mode. It stops fine in every other mode. What can be the reason and where should I look first? Thanks a lot! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 11:34:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:34:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! References: <3B665BB6.CC2BDDA2@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <02c701c119a4$10688220$823442cf@sank1> Red & yellow to your 12-13.8V, >2A regulated power source. Negative to chassis. Orange is amp turn-on lead. Brown is power antenna. I have found the TD-700 to be virtually as great sounding as the TD-1200(and 1200II), but FAR more reliable. Very few problems with the TD700 & 500 beyond belts & such routine stuff. Great units. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > Hi All, > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking TD700, love at first > sight! > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's like TD800 or > TD1200... who knows! > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so I can use it at home > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is there anyone who knows > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic connector that comes > out of the TD700? > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange and brown wire. > Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual and is willing to scan > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > I now realze we need more manuals and other printed material for the TD > series on the site! > > Thanks, > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 11:45:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:45:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem References: <017501c1191c$a8259ae0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <02cd01c119a5$7ea62340$823442cf@sank1> Misha, you've come up with one that I don't have an immediate answer to. I've never seen that sort of auto-stop behavior, and a quick look at the schematic doesn't give me any hints yet. I'll think about it some more & let you know if I come up with any likely fault. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem > Hi all and Stephen! > > Last night took my 680ZX from the shell and start some > repair work on it. I mantioned before that RAMM didn't work > on this machine. Found one more problem - it won't automaticaly > shut off when in back rewind mode. It stops fine in every other mode. > What can be the reason and where should I look first? > Thanks a lot! > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 11:56:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:56:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 581 doesn't like FF or Rew... any ideas why? References: <20010731045959.B1A95114B5E@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B6645A8.ECA511B0@snet.net> Message-ID: <02d301c119a7$0760c5e0$823442cf@sank1> There are two easy possibilities. First, try a bit of contact cleaner spritzed into the cam sensing potentiometer. Second, pull the belt free of the control motor pulley, with the deck turned off, shoot the motor full of silicone spray lubricant(non-conductive) through the slots in the back end, then turn the deck on. The motor will spin at a speed proportional to how far the cam is from the stop position, so you can push the cam a bit one way or the other & make the motor spin faster, slower or stop. Let it spin fast for a few minutes. Then reinstall the belt & see how things are. One other thing not inlikely is cold solder joints on the control motor drive transistors. Either on the schematic or physically, follow the wire(the one that doesn't go right to ground, of course) back to the logic board & it the line will take you straight to the right pair of transistors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] My 581 doesn't like FF or Rew... any ideas why? > Well I just fished a 581 and LX5 out of the basement of the local audio store for free. The LX5 I have not even started to get into, but I have done some preliminary stuff with the 581. The eject mechanism has the infamous cable clamp failure which is > not a problem to work around (even if it is grounds for the shop tech to call it unrepairable... he's not a creative thinker). The odd thing that I've noted is that this deck does not want to go into ff and/or rew. One might work, but not the other... > the control cam just sort of jerks a little from side to side while to pushbutton lamp flickers dimly. After a few minutes and tries it seems to come to life and do what it should consistently. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Jul 31 13:44:03 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:44:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX problem References: <02cd01c119a5$7ea62340$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks Stephen! I also have no clue yet why it's acting so strange... According to schematic the whole autostop should work or not work. And until now I can find way it non-working only partualy. Thanks! Misha >Misha, you've come up with one that I don't have an immediate answer to. >I've never seen that sort of auto-stop behavior, and a quick look at the >schematic doesn't give me any hints yet. I'll think about it some more & >let you know if I come up with any likely fault. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brown is power antenna. > I have found the TD-700 to be virtually as great sounding as the TD-1200(and > 1200II), but FAR more reliable. Very few problems with the TD700 & 500 > beyond belts & such routine stuff. Great units. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wouter Heijke" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking TD700, love at first > > sight! > > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's like TD800 or > > TD1200... who knows! > > > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so I can use it at home > > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is there anyone who knows > > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic connector that comes > > out of the TD700? > > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange and brown wire. > > Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual and is willing to scan > > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > > I now realze we need more manuals and other printed material for the TD > > series on the site! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 31 14:44:35 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:14:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? Message-ID: <20010731124435.8CD7A114C3A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 17:29:59 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! In-Reply-To: <3B665BB6.CC2BDDA2@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20010731152959.20461.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, There's the deal on the power. Red goes to the car's ignition (+12V) Yellow goes to a constant +12V for keeping the clock and radio memories alive. Brown is the power antenna output (outputs +12V when in radio mode) Orange is the power amplifier remote turn on (outputs +12V when the unit is on.) If you want to run the unit off a power supply just connection red and yellow to +12V and you're set (don't forget GND to the case of the unit) There is no wire for GND. I have the owner's manual for the TD500/700. I will scan, create PDF and send it to you later today. I also have the owner's manual for the TD-1200 and service manuals for the TD-700, TD-400, TD-1200, PA-350, PA-400, PA-100 and a couple other mobile audio units. If you're up to it I can scan those as well, but, it may take a little while. SJ --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking > TD700, love at first > sight! > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's > like TD800 or > TD1200... who knows! > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so I > can use it at home > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is > there anyone who knows > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic > connector that comes > out of the TD700? > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange and > brown wire. > Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual > and is willing to scan > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > I now realze we need more manuals and other printed > material for the TD > series on the site! > > Thanks, > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 17:30:50 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! In-Reply-To: <002901c119c2$be600c40$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010731153050.20506.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> The in balance between the tuner and tape bothered me to. I'll check the service manual\\ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Virtually un-open-able by novices ! :-( > > One small question on these TDs, is there any way to > 'balance' the output > coming from that loud deck with its lowly tuner > output ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > Red & yellow to your 12-13.8V, >2A regulated power > source. Negative to > > chassis. Orange is amp turn-on lead. Brown is > power antenna. > > I have found the TD-700 to be virtually as great > sounding as the > TD-1200(and > > 1200II), but FAR more reliable. Very few problems > with the TD700 & 500 > > beyond belts & such routine stuff. Great units. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking > TD700, love at first > > > sight! > > > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's > like TD800 or > > > TD1200... who knows! > > > > > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter > so I can use it at home > > > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is > there anyone who knows > > > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic > connector that comes > > > out of the TD700? > > > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange > and brown wire. > > > Now is there also anyone who has the > ownersmanual and is willing to scan > > > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > > > I now realze we need more manuals and other > printed material for the TD > > > series on the site! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 18:19:54 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! In-Reply-To: <20010731152959.20461.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010731161954.6775.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> One more thing about running the TD-700 on a power supply. Make sure it's a hefty one. The TD-500 and TD-700 draw an extremely large amount of current when the transport is changing modes. I tried it on a small 2 Amp, +12V supply and that wasn't enough. There are two solenoids that must draw something like 6 Amps for about 1/2 a second. You'll notice the displays backlight get dim! SJ --- Scott Johnson wrote: > Wouter, > There's the deal on the power. > Red goes to the car's ignition (+12V) > Yellow goes to a constant +12V for keeping the clock > and radio memories alive. > Brown is the power antenna output (outputs +12V when > in radio mode) > Orange is the power amplifier remote turn on > (outputs > +12V when the unit is on.) > > If you want to run the unit off a power supply just > connection red and yellow to +12V and you're set > (don't forget GND to the case of the unit) There is > no wire for GND. > > I have the owner's manual for the TD500/700. I will > scan, create PDF and send it to you later today. > > I also have the owner's manual for the TD-1200 and > service manuals for the TD-700, TD-400, TD-1200, > PA-350, PA-400, PA-100 and a couple other mobile > audio > units. If you're up to it I can scan those as well, > but, it may take a little while. > > SJ > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking > > TD700, love at first > > sight! > > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's > > like TD800 or > > TD1200... who knows! > > > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so > I > > can use it at home > > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is > > there anyone who knows > > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic > > connector that comes > > out of the TD700? > > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange > and > > brown wire. > > Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual > > and is willing to scan > > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > > I now realze we need more manuals and other > printed > > material for the TD > > series on the site! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 20:23:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:23:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010731124435.8CD7A114C3A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <032d01c119ed$ef98da00$823442cf@sank1> I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly higher* wow/flutter than the CR-7. I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue aside, and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record signal, particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only a minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a substantial amount. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Yeah Paolo > 1000ZXl has lower wow and flutter than CR7 > 1000ZXL auto calibration works on 5 frequencies unlike CR7' 2 frequencies to get the record replay response within narrower limits unlike CR7. > 1000ZXL record & Playback response is gauranteed to be within 1dB for 18Hz -20Khz where as CR7 is within 3 dB! and at -3 dB response is 16Hz - 25 Khz for 1000ZXL! > 1000ZXL has a wonderful Mic pre-amp unlike CR7 > Only problem is that you require external Dolby C adaptor > 1000ZXL measured performance is better than spec and has lower 0dB intermodulation distortion than CR7. > If you happen to read 1000ZXL service manual; you will realise the sophistication of this Deck - the circuit is elaborate to get even response below 40 Hz ( ie 16- 80 HZ to be within + or - 0.5 dB )to be within spec. No wonder the machine has "wow" factor along with Dragon/ RX505!( quoting from Carlos) > We wished ( Stephen & self) that if 1000ZXl had ZX9' DD motor - to be the contender for ultimate Deck award! > CR7 is really a shophisticated and great recorder but it is nice compromise to reduce the cost from 1000ZXL level of sophistication > > Kannan > > ----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Cipollone > To: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:52 AM > Subject: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > >Kannan, > > > >I think (not only me, as you'll read later) that the CR-7 is, without > >question, the best deck ever produced. Simply put, all of Nakamichi's > >fenomenal know-how went into it. Check in its brochure the presence of the > >'matte' finish of the 2 capstans, the electronics distortion of 0.005%, the > >Dolby ICs hand matched to ensure that tracking error is less than 0.25dB > >and much more. > >The extreme sophistication and precision of the auto-calibration features > >the following (I wonder what the 1000 could possibly have MUCH more > >sophisticated about 10 years earlier): > > - playback azimuth is adjusted in 1.3' steps until the error is corrected > >and that correction is confirmed 10 times; > >- level is checked at 15 points and calibrated to ensure Dolby tracking > >within 0.3 dB; > >- bias is checked at 15 points and calibrated until 15 kHz response is > >within 0.3 dB; > >calibration takes place independently in the left and right channels and is > >repeated twice. > >The 1000 ZXL, the ZX-9, the Dragon, (and the 682 ZX, I would say) though > >highly desirable, are in a different league simply because they belong to > >an older generation. The Dragon's design, the more modern, indeed, dates > >back to 1981-82. > >And, guess what, this is not my personal opinion (well, of course it is > >also) but > >Nakamichi's. In a famous ad (for instance published on Stereo Review, Feb > >1987), they stated: > > > >"The components (of the 7 series)...are the finest we know how to make..." > >"...each epitomizes its genre and offers maximum convenience and unequalled > >performance" > >"The CR-7 is the finest example of cassette recording technology ever > >produced..." > >Still any doubts? > > > >And from the CR-5/CR-7 brochure > >"...the epitome of convenience and performance..." > >"...never before has cassette recording been so convenient- and so good..." > >"... to ensure unparalleled sonic accuracy..." > >"...the most convenient and sophisticated recording instruments conceived > >by man..." > > > >Speaking of Nakamichi, I don't think it's just marketing hype. > >Not to mention the reviews appeared on magazines all over the world in > >which the supremacy, at least in terms of sheer numbers and graphs, over > >the old models is extremely evident. > > > >Paolo Cipollone > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 20:24:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:24:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! References: Message-ID: <033301c119ee$03cc0e20$823442cf@sank1> I've actually had virtually no exposure to Nak car audio beyond the original TD series decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > Does anyone know if the more recent Nak (in car/mobile) CD changers such as > MF-31 are compatible with the older Nak HU such as the Mobile Tuner Cassette > Deck series (I think it went from TD1 to TD7)? Maybe Stephen can help????? > :-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 31 20:25:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:25:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! References: <3B665BB6.CC2BDDA2@xs4all.nl> <02c701c119a4$10688220$823442cf@sank1> <002901c119c2$be600c40$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <033901c119ee$39f2aa40$823442cf@sank1> You can reduce the Pb levels. If you pop the top, then look at the left end of the vertical circuit board right behind the deck, you will see two handy trimpots right at the top of the board. These are L&R Pb levels. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > Virtually un-open-able by novices ! :-( > > One small question on these TDs, is there any way to 'balance' the output > coming from that loud deck with its lowly tuner output ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > Red & yellow to your 12-13.8V, >2A regulated power source. Negative to > > chassis. Orange is amp turn-on lead. Brown is power antenna. > > I have found the TD-700 to be virtually as great sounding as the > TD-1200(and > > 1200II), but FAR more reliable. Very few problems with the TD700 & 500 > > beyond belts & such routine stuff. Great units. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wouter Heijke" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking TD700, love at first > > > sight! > > > Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's like TD800 or > > > TD1200... who knows! > > > > > > But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so I can use it at home > > > (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is there anyone who knows > > > how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic connector that comes > > > out of the TD700? > > > It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange and brown wire. > > > Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual and is willing to scan > > > or maybe send the manual so I can scan? > > > I now realze we need more manuals and other printed material for the TD > > > series on the site! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 31 20:28:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:28:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/2001 4:09:19 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << It sounds better than my Nak 1, but the nak 1 is not held in high regard within this group. I like the auto calibration and yes the buttons are beautifully machined metal. So do you know the difference between the 3014 and the 3014 A ? Brian >> Hi Brian, Thank you for the response. When you say "Nak 1" are you referring to the BX-1? BX-100? BX-150? MR-1? The Tandberg 3014 enjoys a great reputation, although I haven't personally heard one. Stephen Sank, a member of this list has updated a 3014 to a 3014a and can better answer that question for you. Again, congratulations on your deck. -Sam Stephen - Can you share with us this differences between a 3014 and a 3014a? Thanks. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 31 20:58:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:58:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/2001 10:37:24 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I'm pretty sure the TCD-910 is merely a 3014 with balanced in/outs, but it's been a long time since I've seen one. Don't know the 911, that I can recall. >> Hey Stephen, where would you rank the 3014/3014a in the Nak series? Is it comparable to a 700 ZXL or CR-7? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 31 21:09:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:09:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2001 9:38:03 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Yeah Paolo 1000ZXl has lower wow and flutter than CR7 1000ZXL auto calibration works on 5 frequencies unlike CR7' 2 frequencies to get the record replay response within narrower limits unlike CR7. 1000ZXL record & Playback response is guaranteed to be within 1dB for 18Hz -20Khz where as CR7 is within 3 dB! and at -3 dB response is 16Hz - 25 Khz for 1000ZXL! 1000ZXL has a wonderful Mic pre-amp unlike CR7 Only problem is that you require external Dolby C adaptor 1000ZXL measured performance is better than spec and has lower 0dB intermodulation distortion than CR7. If you happen to read 1000ZXL service manual; you will realise the sophistication of this Deck - the circuit is elaborate to get even response below 40 Hz ( ie 16- 80 HZ to be within + or - 0.5 dB )to be within spec. No wonder the machine has "wow" factor along with Dragon/ RX505!( quoting from Carlos) We wished ( Stephen & self) that if 1000ZXl had ZX9' DD motor - to be the contender for ultimate Deck award! CR7 is really a shophisticated and great recorder but it is nice compromise to reduce the cost from 1000ZXL level of sophistication Kannan >> Hi Kannan, Interesting discussion...I wonder if part of the 1000ZXL's appeal is it rareness and nostalgia? Is it possible that 30 years later (e.g. wasn't the 1000ZXL introduced in the 1970's?) after all of the advances in tape technology that the 1000ZXL is better than some of it's newer counterparts? And, Kannan do you own a 1000ZXL? Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 31 21:10:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:10:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! Message-ID: <45.9eeab9e.28985cac@aol.com> In a message dated 7/31/2001 11:23:21 AM Central Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << One more thing about running the TD-700 on a power supply. Make sure it's a hefty one. The TD-500 and TD-700 draw an extremely large amount of current when the transport is changing modes. I tried it on a small 2 Amp, +12V supply and that wasn't enough. There are two solenoids that must draw something like 6 Amps for about 1/2 a second. You'll notice the displays backlight get dim! SJ >> Hi All! Wouldn't one of those old mobile CB radio power supplies for the home do the trick? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jul 31 21:21:31 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! In-Reply-To: <20010731152959.20461.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010731152959.20461.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32900.213.84.12.220.996607291.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Thank you Scott and Stephen for revealing the secrets to the TD700 power to me! To me also the original TD series are the one and only serious Nakamichi car decks, that's also why you will find only these on the site. Scott if you would like to scan these manuals please do so, me and I guess other members of the list will be more then happy with them! If you supply them to me by email I'll post them on the support site. Now I'll have to start looking for the right power supply! Wouter > Wouter, > There's the deal on the power. > Red goes to the car's ignition (+12V) > Yellow goes to a constant +12V for keeping the clock > and radio memories alive. > Brown is the power antenna output (outputs +12V when > in radio mode) > Orange is the power amplifier remote turn on (outputs > +12V when the unit is on.) > > If you want to run the unit off a power supply just > connection red and yellow to +12V and you're set > (don't forget GND to the case of the unit) There is > no wire for GND. > > I have the owner's manual for the TD500/700. I will > scan, create PDF and send it to you later today. > > I also have the owner's manual for the TD-1200 and > service manuals for the TD-700, TD-400, TD-1200, > PA-350, PA-400, PA-100 and a couple other mobile audio > units. If you're up to it I can scan those as well, > but, it may take a little while. > > SJ > > > --- Wouter Heijke wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I just received my first TD Nak! A nice looking >> TD700, love at first >> sight! >> Maybe this is the beginning of getting more TD's >> like TD800 or >> TD1200... who knows! >> >> But I want to power the unit with a AC adapter so I >> can use it at home >> (makes a good unit for the kitchen ;-) ) but is >> there anyone who knows >> how to wire such an adaper to the square plastic >> connector that comes >> out of the TD700? >> It has 4 wires connected, a red, yellow, orange and >> brown wire. >> Now is there also anyone who has the ownersmanual >> and is willing to scan >> or maybe send the manual so I can scan? >> I now realze we need more manuals and other printed >> material for the TD >> series on the site! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Wouter >> >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial >> Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jul 31 21:23:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:23:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/2001 9:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added to the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly tweaked 3014. >> Interesting. Do any of these "tweaks" change the sound in any audiable way? And where would you rank it amonst the Naks? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Jul 31 23:38:59 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:38:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! References: <3B665BB6.CC2BDDA2@xs4all.nl> <02c701c119a4$10688220$823442cf@sank1> <002901c119c2$be600c40$4f289bca@smarzuki> <033901c119ee$39f2aa40$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004b01c11a09$35b3fae0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> If anyone needs new slide in cages, contact me as I have a few (don't remember model #'s off hand ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-8.txt ************************************************************************ From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Wed Aug 22 02:16:07 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:16:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai Message-ID: <01C12A7E.277C7BC0@user-2ivffnk.dialup.mindspring.com> Stan, Just because it isn't a nak doesn't make it shit ;-). I've had most naks from a bx-125 onto a 700zxl,rx-505, and zx-9. Still the gx-8 akai, a later version of the gx-9, was one of my favorite decks. Had it not been for that stupid motor operated door, I'm sure I'd still be I'd still be making tape on it today. Very good sound if not the ultimate, simple classy styling, very smooth and fast tape handling and a nice feel when using it. Not to start anything, Just My two cents. Also,anybody who asked for a Sony ES Metal IV cassette I will try to get in touch with you in the next couple of weeks. My computer has been down more than up lately and I apologize for the long delay. Stan Pickens -----Original Message----- From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: Tue, August 21, 2001 7:16 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai Stan, Just because it isn't a nak doesn't make it shit ;-). I've had most naks from a bx-125 onto a 700zxl,rx-505, and zx-9. Still the gx-8 akai, a later version of the gx-9, was one of my favorite decks. Had it not been for that stupid motor operated door, I'm sure I'd still be I'd still be making tape on it today. Very good sound if not the ultimate, simple classy styling, very smooth and fast tape handling and a nice feel when using it. Not to start anything, Just My two cents. Also,anybody who asked for a Sony ES Metal IV cassette I will try to get in touch with you in the next couple of weeks. My computer has been down more than up lately and I apologize for the long delay. Stan Pickens -----Original Message----- From: Maurits [SMTP:m.raven at chello.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai > Akai was a popular brand making full line of stereo equipment comparable to > JVC, SONY, etc. They were making very decent decks, as compared to JVC, > SONY, Technics, etc., with some special emphasis on 'glass heads' guaranteed > for upto 150,000 hours. Hey, this is naktalk, Akai is really shit compared to Nak ;-) Soft ferrite heads are much better than the glass types. Please don't spoil this NG with other stuff like the real Nak. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <00c201c11a1b$82bdcac0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Sam, believe it or not, you are the one who asked that question (see below) 4 months ago ! :-) :-) Stephen preferred 2 head Nak 580M over this deck, even after confessing that he has certain affection toward Tandbergs .... :-\ As for me, I'm dying to get a used 3014 simply because one ZX9 owner here only would let go his deck if he can get a 3014 to replace his Nak. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > Yes, I'd still choose the 580M, due to it's crystalloy R/P head(all later > 2-heads had Sendust R/P heads), excellent electronics & a transport that > will never die with proper up-keep. Plus, it's so damned ugly that all you > can do is love it. Like a Sharpei dog. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:59 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > > > > Steven - let me ask the question differently. > > > > You are presented with two brand new, never used, just manufactured tape > > decks. Deck 1 is Tandberg 3014A. Deck 2 is is Nakamichi 580M. Would you > > still choose Nakamichi 580M. > > > > My choice would be Tandberg 3014 over any Nakamichi short of 1000ZXL, > > 700ZXL/E, ZX-9, CR7,(perhaps ZX-7), CR7, Dragon, and perhaps something > from > > 68x series, and Revox 215. I wonder what others think. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tue, March 27, 2001 10:17 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > > > If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose the > > LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head > Nak(except > > for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for the > > 3014 & many other Tandberg products. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, > > would > > > you own one? > > > > > > -Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > In a message dated 7/30/2001 9:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the > 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added to > the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly > tweaked 3014. >> > > Interesting. Do any of these "tweaks" change the sound in any audiable way? > And where would you rank it amonst the Naks? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 02:27:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:27:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2001 6:59:30 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << As for me, I'm dying to get a used 3014 simply because one ZX9 owner here only would let go his deck if he can get a 3014 to replace his Nak. :-) Best regards, Salim SM >> Thanks. Good luck with your 3014a search as a ZX-9 would be a nice addition. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 02:33:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:33:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <00c201c11a1b$82bdcac0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <038d01c11a21$a847b840$823442cf@sank1> Thanks for saving me some typing, Salim. The heads of the 3014/A are not far from Nak crystalloy performance, but not equal. Also, strangely, the 3014/A uses almost the same Matsushita FG motor as the Nak 550. In other words, what was an ancient motor technology when the 3014 was designed. Pretty strange. Part of why the massive flywheels were needed to get the low w/f performance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > Sam, believe it or not, you are the one who asked that question (see below) > 4 months ago ! :-) :-) Stephen preferred 2 head Nak 580M over this deck, > even after confessing that he has certain affection toward Tandbergs .... > :-\ > > As for me, I'm dying to get a used 3014 simply because one ZX9 owner here > only would let go his deck if he can get a 3014 to replace his Nak. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > > > > Yes, I'd still choose the 580M, due to it's crystalloy R/P head(all later > > 2-heads had Sendust R/P heads), excellent electronics & a transport that > > will never die with proper up-keep. Plus, it's so damned ugly that all > you > > can do is love it. Like a Sharpei dog. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:59 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 580M over Tandberg 3014/A? > > > > > > > Steven - let me ask the question differently. > > > > > > You are presented with two brand new, never used, just manufactured tape > > > decks. Deck 1 is Tandberg 3014A. Deck 2 is is Nakamichi 580M. Would you > > > still choose Nakamichi 580M. > > > > > > My choice would be Tandberg 3014 over any Nakamichi short of 1000ZXL, > > > 700ZXL/E, ZX-9, CR7,(perhaps ZX-7), CR7, Dragon, and perhaps something > > from > > > 68x series, and Revox 215. I wonder what others think. > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Tue, March 27, 2001 10:17 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > > > > > > If I had to choose between a 3014(or A) and, say, an LX-5, I'd choose > the > > > LX-5. But I would certainly choose the Tandberg over any 2-head > > Nak(except > > > for the 580M). I must confess that I do have a certain affection for > the > > > 3014 & many other Tandberg products. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 vs 3014A--synopsis > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen, what NAK model would you say they compare with? And, > > > would > > > > you own one? > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > > In a message dated 7/30/2001 9:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << Essentially, other than different(not worse or better) reel motors, the > > 3014A is just a 3014 with a bunch of polypropylene HF bypass caps added > to > > the power supply lines at the entry to each amp stage. Just a mildly > > tweaked 3014. >> > > > > Interesting. Do any of these "tweaks" change the sound in any audiable > way? > > And where would you rank it amonst the Naks? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 1 02:33:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:33:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation References: <3d.f164b22.2894c043@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B674E45.88A23105@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/28/2001 8:20:37 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Nak USA- 800-421-2313, then navigate menu system to parts dept. >> > > Thanks Stephen. > > -Sam Well, I called Patty today. She stated that the only literature she has is the CR-7 owner manual, even the service manuals are all gone. Sam, did you call? Any better luck? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 02:34:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:34:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Gold 1000ZXL only $500 at the moment... Message-ID: <96.17d73397.2898a8a8@aol.com> For those interested... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260644755 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 02:36:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:36:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: <26.190acb99.2898a8fc@aol.com> In a message dated 7/31/2001 7:34:11 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Thanks for saving me some typing, Salim. The heads of the 3014/A are not far from Nak crystalloy performance, but not equal. Also, strangely, the 3014/A uses almost the same Matsushita FG motor as the Nak 550. In other words, what was an ancient motor technology when the 3014 was designed. Pretty strange. Part of why the massive flywheels were needed to get the low w/f performance. >> I guess the larger question is why are these decks held in such high regard and high demand? Was it their appearance or marketing? What's the deal? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 02:36:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:36:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Principles of Operation Message-ID: <42.185cfa96.2898a920@aol.com> No I haven't. I'm sorry to hear that. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 02:39:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:39:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Gold 1000ZXL only $500 at the moment... Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2001 7:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time, SBarr12393 at aol.com writes: << For those interested... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260644755 >> Sorry guys, after several attempts the images finally downloaded and this is a Eumig deck. I don't know much about them, is this a good deck? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 03:05:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:05:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <26.190acb99.2898a8fc@aol.com> Message-ID: <03d001c11a26$214a9560$823442cf@sank1> I think it was a combination of name recognition, sexy looks, solid feel & certainly way above average performance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > In a message dated 7/31/2001 7:34:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Thanks for saving me some typing, Salim. The heads of the 3014/A are not > far from Nak crystalloy performance, but not equal. Also, strangely, the > 3014/A uses almost the same Matsushita FG motor as the Nak 550. In other > words, what was an ancient motor technology when the 3014 was designed. > Pretty strange. Part of why the massive flywheels were needed to get the > low w/f performance. >> > > I guess the larger question is why are these decks held in such high regard > and high demand? Was it their appearance or marketing? What's the deal? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 03:03:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:03:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? Message-ID: Has anyone on this list owned any gear by Anthem or Sonic Frontier? Sonic Frontier has a very interesting preamp due out this fall, but with all of the OEM'ing going on I wanted to learn more from someone who knows versus what I hear in the audio shops. Thank you in advance for your help and please respond offline. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 03:21:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:21:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/31/2001 8:05:59 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I think it was a combination of name recognition, sexy looks, solid feel & certainly way above average performance. >> OK ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 04:00:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:00:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak PA-7 Message-ID: <111.3303a9a.2898bcb2@aol.com> Hi, Where can I learn more about the Nak PA-7 amp? I didn't locate it on their website. What is the going price? Will it fit into a home theater setup? (e.g. 5.1, 6.1, & 7.1) And finally, what preamp(s) work well with it. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 04:37:34 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:37:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gold 1000ZXL only $500 at the moment... References: Message-ID: <003e01c11a32$eb9ce6e0$a2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> tricky guy the rough translation is No Nakamich 1000zxl gold, and then in the listing it says But - this is nevertheless the legendary EUMIG FL-1000m P with a golden front??? at the end he claims it to be rarer than the gold 1000 zxl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gold 1000ZXL only $500 at the moment... > In a message dated 7/31/2001 7:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > SBarr12393 at aol.com writes: > > << For those interested... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260644755 >> > > Sorry guys, after several attempts the images finally downloaded and this is > a Eumig deck. I don't know much about them, is this a good deck? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 04:42:12 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:42:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? References: Message-ID: <004601c11a33$91b99f00$a2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Never used the Anthem stuff did have an old Sonic Frontiers tube amp that was reliable and sounded good, have a friend who has the power 3 tube amps and they sound excellent on his system. I'm not sure what you mean by the oem reference. Sonic Frontiers and anthem are made in a suburb of Toronto Canada. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? > Has anyone on this list owned any gear by Anthem or Sonic Frontier? Sonic > Frontier has a very interesting preamp due out this fall, but with all of the > OEM'ing going on I wanted to learn more from someone who knows versus what I > hear in the audio shops. Thank you in advance for your help and please > respond offline. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 05:33:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:33:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic... Message-ID: <76.de6c043.2898d29d@aol.com> In a message dated 7/31/2001 9:42:07 PM Central Daylight Time, wtremain at bellsouth.net writes: << Never used the Anthem stuff did have an old Sonic Frontiers tube amp that was reliable and sounded good, have a friend who has the power 3 tube amps and they sound excellent on his system. I'm not sure what you mean by the oem reference. Sonic Frontiers and anthem are made in a suburb of Toronto Canada. Warren ----- Original Me >> Thanks Warren! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 1 06:07:15 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:07:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 550 portable References: <003701c11911$c1da1d40$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B663268.99FD13DA@snet.net> Message-ID: <015f01c11a3f$73b57c20$9865fea9@D9569601> Nah, our digital tapes sound much better with the tube mics; really. And, if what you want is a cool cassette recording I've a nice sounding Thelonious Monk soundboard from a nightclub from paris 1961. Very tasty. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 portable > Now that's a tape I wouldn't mind having a low gen Nak copy of! > > Ed > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > I watched this guy take a Dead show at the Warfield many moons ago; he slung > > it over his back. He faked out the door person so well by getting them to > > focus on the arms and waist he waltzed right in with it; others were busted > > with Sony TCD5M decks. That guy had a lot of chutzpah; that was his SOP. > > > > Calr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > To: ; > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 portable > > > > > Yes, someone is bound to notice the truck. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 07/30/01 12:18AM >>> > > > Heh! heh! Yeah, you'd not get away using 550 portable to make a bootleg > > > recording unless you owned the venue! > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Carl Cobb > > > Sent: 28 July 2001 11:26 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (discovery) - Krell > > > > > > > > > Stephen... > > > > > > One can hardly call a 550 portable; our stuff is pretty stealthy. I've > > used > > > the Nakamichi decks; always went back to a sony tcd5m until we went with > > the > > > pro dats > > > > > > C > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 06:27:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:27:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? Message-ID: <42.185cfaf4.2898df37@aol.com> In a message dated 7/31/2001 10:52:02 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Kannan PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S >> Hi Kannan, Still listening to my recordings but can reply...I found the MA-90 to be a nice metal cassette to record with using my CR-7. Don't know what's going on with the Maxell MX-IIS, but using the TDK is much better. I didn't except so much low end from a cassette. However, I think I maybe getting better performance from the Type II cassettes. Again, it is still under evaluation. I cannot say that I was highly impressed with the TDK SA-X90. The very first recording I made using the TDK was awful. So, I tried a new cassette and the second was better. It's been so long since I've manually biased a cassette I've forgotten what direction does what. Nonetheless, it is clear when listening to the TDK that the bias settings are very different from with the Maxell. And, although this biasing difference yields a better low end, sharper snare drums and high-hats, it does come at a price. I found the TDK cassettes to sometimes "wash out" the background vocals, noticed more bias drift during recording, and more "hiss" than with the Maxells. This is not to say that the recordings I made using the TDK were bad, just different. And, you have to listen to hear these anomalies. I thank God that after all of those years of listening to booming dance music, and 5 years in the military, that my hearing is still very good. And, working in a professional, state-of-the-art post-production facility every weekend is helping keep my ear finely "tuned." I have noticed that the Maxell cassette shell is smoother and faster than the TDK. It does appear during use that it takes longer for the TDK to fully rewind and/or FF vs. the Maxell with more audible noise. And while making a recording using the TDK, and while monitoring using my headphones; there were times when the "source" material sounds brighter and better than the "tape." I never noticed this difference using the Maxells. So unless something is "off" on my deck, I believe it depends on the type of music you are recording. For some jazz vocals where I want a bright drum and super-clean/clear vocals with more of a low-end punch, I may use the TDK SAX-90. However, when recording contemporary jazz, Christian contemporary, dance music, or certain classical pieces or operas I would opt for the XL-II or XL-II S as the stable response during real time monitoring, coupled with the fast/silent cassette shell make for a very sweet, warm, rich, and enjoy sound. Again, I'm still listening and recording so I will continue to evaluate the two as well as my deck's performance. Would you recommend using the SA-90 instead of the SA-X90's to evaluate performance vs. the Maxell XL-II? -Sam PS The reason I asked if you owned a 1000ZXL was because I was going to ask you to make a recording for me using this deck. :-) BTW - if anyone on NakTalkers owns a 1000ZXL, I would be happy to ship a blank cassette to you and ask you to make a recording for me. It would be interesting to listen to a cassette made on a 1000ZXL with it's 5 test tones and calibration system. :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 06:50:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:50:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <041c01c11a45$715bed00$823442cf@sank1> The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance to do a direct a/b comparison, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Thanks Stephen > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f rating. > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL vs CR7 since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and consider the performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on reviews with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > Kannan > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly higher* > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue aside, > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record signal, > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only a > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > >substantial amount. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 06:55:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:55:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? References: <004601c11a33$91b99f00$a2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <042101c11a46$33a886c0$823442cf@sank1> One of the LAST tube amps or preamps I'd recommend to anyone would be Sonic Frontiers. They're great at using really nice parts, a decent design, and then screwing it up in some obviously stupid way. Such as using a 40v/100mA transistor as the current regulator for a cascode pair of driver tubes in the SFS-80 amp, when the slightest tube defect can hit it with 300volts(which I have seen happen- very cool explosion!). Or using a $0.25 cent silicon rectifier bridge for the plate supply of a preamp, and, in the same preamp, running an input signal cable directly under(within a mm) all of the supply regulator & amplification electronics. I could go on. Best to stay away from the stuff, which includes their Anthem line. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? > Never used the Anthem stuff did have an old Sonic Frontiers tube amp > that was reliable and sounded good, have a friend who has the power 3 > tube amps and they sound excellent on his system. > I'm not sure what you mean by the oem reference. Sonic Frontiers and > anthem are made in a suburb of Toronto Canada. > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or > Sonic Frontier? > > > > Has anyone on this list owned any gear by Anthem or Sonic Frontier? Sonic > > Frontier has a very interesting preamp due out this fall, but with all of > the > > OEM'ing going on I wanted to learn more from someone who knows versus what > I > > hear in the audio shops. Thank you in advance for your help and please > > respond offline. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Aug 1 07:09:13 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:09:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell In-Reply-To: <42.185cfaf4.2898df37@aol.com> Message-ID: I feel that both TDK and Maxell produce great tapes. In my CR4 I can easily calibrate the deck to achieve great results with XL-II, XL-IIS, and MX-S, as well as with SA, SA-X, SA-XS, SM-X, and MA. Actually, I can get better results on CR4 with TDK-D than with XL-IIS on a CR2 which in my particular case is specifically calibrated for TDK SA. I also found FUJI Z-Metal to be a great tape. What I noticed thoughis, that Maxell and TDK tapes differ around the world. Mainstream TDK cassettes, including MA, purchased in the US have cheapper looking plastic, no screws, etc. The tapes I bought in France and in Poland, look more 'substantial', have the screws, etc. I have no experience with India (Kannan), but this may be yet a different story. Holding in your hand Maxell MX-S and TDK MA, you can tell big difference in the quality of cassette. Maxell looks much mores solid, has the screws, feels heavier. Also, Maxell costs quite a bit more (Tower Records in greater Chicago $4.50 for C90 Maxell, vs. $2.50-$2.70 for TDK) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? In a message dated 7/31/2001 10:52:02 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Kannan PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S >> Hi Kannan, Still listening to my recordings but can reply...I found the MA-90 to be a nice metal cassette to record with using my CR-7. Don't know what's going on with the Maxell MX-IIS, but using the TDK is much better. I didn't except so much low end from a cassette. However, I think I maybe getting better performance from the Type II cassettes. Again, it is still under evaluation. I cannot say that I was highly impressed with the TDK SA-X90. The very first recording I made using the TDK was awful. So, I tried a new cassette and the second was better. It's been so long since I've manually biased a cassette I've forgotten what direction does what. Nonetheless, it is clear when listening to the TDK that the bias settings are very different from with the Maxell. And, although this biasing difference yields a better low end, sharper snare drums and high-hats, it does come at a price. I found the TDK cassettes to sometimes "wash out" the background vocals, noticed more bias drift during recording, and more "hiss" than with the Maxells. This is not to say that the recordings I made using the TDK were bad, just different. And, you have to listen to hear these anomalies. I thank God that after all of those years of listening to booming dance music, and 5 years in the military, that my hearing is still very good. And, working in a professional, state-of-the-art post-production facility every weekend is helping keep my ear finely "tuned." I have noticed that the Maxell cassette shell is smoother and faster than the TDK. It does appear during use that it takes longer for the TDK to fully rewind and/or FF vs. the Maxell with more audible noise. And while making a recording using the TDK, and while monitoring using my headphones; there were times when the "source" material sounds brighter and better than the "tape." I never noticed this difference using the Maxells. So unless something is "off" on my deck, I believe it depends on the type of music you are recording. For some jazz vocals where I want a bright drum and super-clean/clear vocals with more of a low-end punch, I may use the TDK SAX-90. However, when recording contemporary jazz, Christian contemporary, dance music, or certain classical pieces or operas I would opt for the XL-II or XL-II S as the stable response during real time monitoring, coupled with the fast/silent cassette shell make for a very sweet, warm, rich, and enjoy sound. Again, I'm still listening and recording so I will continue to evaluate the two as well as my deck's performance. Would you recommend using the SA-90 instead of the SA-X90's to evaluate performance vs. the Maxell XL-II? -Sam PS The reason I asked if you owned a 1000ZXL was because I was going to ask you to make a recording for me using this deck. :-) BTW - if anyone on NakTalkers owns a 1000ZXL, I would be happy to ship a blank cassette to you and ask you to make a recording for me. It would be interesting to listen to a cassette made on a 1000ZXL with it's 5 test tones and calibration system. :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Wed Aug 1 07:14:40 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:14:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? In-Reply-To: <041c01c11a45$715bed00$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had a choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you take (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or inheritance, still have this urge to get something more sophisticated for my collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than CR7. Am I nuts? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance to do a direct a/b comparison, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Thanks Stephen > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f rating. > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL vs CR7 since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and consider the performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on reviews with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > Kannan > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly higher* > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue aside, > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record signal, > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only a > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > >substantial amount. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 07:49:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:49:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: Message-ID: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit too much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of course, if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to it's being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have much better metering. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had a > choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you take > (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? > > I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or > inheritance, still have this urge to get something more sophisticated for my > collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than CR7. Am I > nuts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance to > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > Thanks Stephen > > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f rating. > > > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL vs CR7 > since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and consider the > performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on reviews > with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > > > Kannan > > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I > tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) > > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly higher* > > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue aside, > > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record signal, > > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only a > > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > > >substantial amount. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 1 07:52:14 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:22:14 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <20010801055214.706CA114B5A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 08:00:24 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak PA-7 brochure In-Reply-To: <111.3303a9a.2898bcb2@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010801060025.7798.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> The PA-7 brochure is on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak2.html Click on Amps/Preamps and then you'll see the PA-7 and the PA-7II links. SJ --- SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Where can I learn more about the Nak PA-7 amp? I > didn't locate it on their > website. What is the going price? Will it fit into > a home theater setup? > (e.g. 5.1, 6.1, & 7.1) And finally, what preamp(s) > work well with it. Thank > you in advance for your help with this request. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 1 08:48:59 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:48:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: Salim, I can think of no mission more noble than relieving someone of a ZX9. Well, at least not his morning! Whatever it takes, nice though a 3014 is. Getting that commitment in writing might make him suspicious. Heh heh. Good luck! Marc >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 08/01/01 02:27AM >>> In a message dated 7/31/2001 6:59:30 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << As for me, I'm dying to get a used 3014 simply because one ZX9 owner here only would let go his deck if he can get a 3014 to replace his Nak. :-) Best regards, Salim SM >> Thanks. Good luck with your 3014a search as a ZX-9 would be a nice addition. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Wed Aug 1 09:33:12 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:33:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: popping on dolby C ..... Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D415@CPT-01> I have a friend who builds amps etc who looked into the the NR problem so i need to get him arround before i can try all of your guys ideas ( i don't trust myself in opening up the deck). the first issue will be using stephens suggestion of using leads in and out the NR sockets so if the crackle is still there then the problem resides with the 1000zxl. i just need a few more leads.... i enjoy hearing all of peoples views on 1000zxl vs the rest. i have no idea about the other decks all i can say is that when you play the zxl and listen to the original source there is hardly any loss in sound quality. it is superior to any recording device i have heard and even makes tapes that i recorded on other machines sound good. i have an okay system (naim amps, micro seiki turntable etc) not top end but good. if the dolby c can't be solved its not the end of the world it still has dolby b and no dolby with this deck is awesome. i was very lucky to get this deck because i was looking for a turntable and mentioned micro seiki in my ad, he had just given his top end micro seiki (one of those $ 30k ones) to a friend and sold the zxl to me for $ 600. my next project is getting some 180g LP's of my favourite albums through red trumpet... -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: 01 August 2001 05:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Thank you Tom for your reference but what happened to Neal's problem? Can we hear something about your problem Neal any solution? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Kannan_S (E-mail) Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) >Hi Kannan, > > I thank you for this e-mail you sent to the group because I had the same problem on my ZX-9. Last night I opened the unit and replaced those dredded orange caps one at a time until the problem went away. I too suffered the same problem with using Dolby-c. In playback mode it was ok, but in record mode the left channel disappeared. > > > Once again thanks for your comments. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos. >>>From: "Neal Walker" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:01 AM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) >> >> >>> the pop is there even with the NR system off, but only on chrome tapes, it >>> is just much quieter so i didn't notice it at first. with normal type >>tapes >>> (TDK D )the NR system works fine. >>> >>> by the way do you ever sleep, i thought you lived in New Mexico. its early >>> morning in south africa ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Perhaps it is my imagination but I have always felt that my Goldring Lenco TT (with Ortofon cartridge) needs to "warm up" before it gives off its best whereas my Pinl Triangle PT TOO (with DNM cartridge) seems not to need it. Anyone explain this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 29 July 2001 23:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? I can't think of a situation where a ss amp, preamp, etc., would have it's life expectancy prolonged by leaving powered up full time, but it certainly eliminates the warm up time. The amusing thing to me is that most high end ss gear takes FAR longer to really warm up than any tube gear. I don't know of any tube audio pieces that take more than an hour to reach full potential. Whereas ss amps & preamps can take over 24 hours to reach their fullest potential(not talking about initial break-in, just warm up at any point in a unit's life). It seems like the more "high end" a ss amp/preamp/dac is, the longer the warm up needed. And going back to Krell, their preamps are the worst case example. Sound absolutely horrible before their on for at least 12 hours, and don't sound their best until at least 24. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 11:37:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 05:37:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? References: <000401c11a6b$2a8b9c60$8aeb883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B67CDD5.97207154@yahoo.com> Hi According to Audio Research 8. The question may arise: May vacuum-tube products be left on continuously for maximum sonic performance and listening convenience? Audio Research recommends that hybrid or tube power amps be turned on just prior to listening, and turned off after listening. Generally, a few minutes of warm-up and system stabilization are all that is necessary to assure good sonic results; further improvements may be noted over the next hour or two of use. Since it is usually far more costly to retube a power amp than a preamplifier, it makes sense to conserve tube life. Preamps using vacuum tubes may be left on continuously without harm, but the owner must realize that about 4500 hours of tube life will be used up in only 6 months! Again, good sonic results can normally be obtained by turning the preamp on a few minutes before listening, with further improvements to be gained over the next few hours of operation. Of course we must now ask ourselves if they know what they're talking about. Javier Graham Nelson wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance, but does this apply to all parts of SS equipment - > e.g. warm up for CD, for pre-amp as much as power amp, etc? > > Perhaps it is my imagination but I have always felt that my Goldring Lenco > TT (with Ortofon cartridge) needs to "warm up" before it gives off its best > whereas my Pinl Triangle PT TOO (with DNM cartridge) seems not to need it. > Anyone explain this? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 29 July 2001 23:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep > 'em switched on all the time? > > I can't think of a situation where a ss amp, preamp, etc., would have it's > life expectancy prolonged by leaving powered up full time, but it certainly > eliminates the warm up time. The amusing thing to me is that most high end > ss gear takes FAR longer to really warm up than any tube gear. I don't know > of any tube audio pieces that take more than an hour to reach full > potential. Whereas ss amps & preamps can take over 24 hours to reach their > fullest potential(not talking about initial break-in, just warm up at any > point in a unit's life). It seems like the more "high end" a ss > amp/preamp/dac is, the longer the warm up needed. And going back to Krell, > their preamps are the worst case example. Sound absolutely horrible before > their on for at least 12 hours, and don't sound their best until at least > 24. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 12:45:56 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 06:45:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Warm up time References: <382107351.959069589909.JavaMail.root@web193-iw> <392B06D2.DFCBDAB6@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3B67DDE4.5E4E93D@yahoo.com> Posted to the Scott McIntosh and Nakamichi group Hi I've been working on some of my tube stuff and have confirmed that the sound does seem to improve even after several hours of operation. I had been noticing this for years but had always assumed that it was a Skitzo-Acoustic thing but now I'm sure. Since most components reach operating temperature after 15 minutes or so, I can only assume that the power and output transformers which will take about 2 hours to heat up are responsible for the change in sound. The Scotts seem to arrive at HiFi quicker than the Macs, perhaps because most of them don't have heat shields between the tubes and the transformers. If this is the case, I'm sure tube designers could incorporate a circuit that puts a few ac* or dc volts through the output and maybe power primaries, just enough to keep them luke-warm while the circuit is off. The tubes shouldn't mind as long as u can afford the ridicuilous non-nuclear electric bill. Javier *Yeah I know, the speakers would have to be relayed _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Aug 1 13:38:12 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:38:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <72433618.251F0222.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> My dear Naktalkers, Just a few words on TDK/Maxell issue. I think a decade ago I also was a TDK fan, but when TDK moved their production from Japan the quality suffers a great deal. Let alone the topic of durability and tape base already discussed here but even the sound quality is quite different from what it should be and differs from batch to batch. Maxell, just the opposite, demonstrates stable quality and parameter recurrence. I must say that opposite to Stephen I like tapes with a slight rise at high-frequency range. They allow to make a recording more transparent and lively. I always try to record a bit more highs due to high frequency attenuation. Maxells (XL-IIS & MX-S in particular) never sound dry or dull with proper bias and EQ settings on best equipment. It's a pity some of us has an impression that CR-7 tends not to like MX-S. BTW, Stephen, what do you think - is it possible to make some kind of Fine Bias adjustment in CR-7? Maybe it helps to overcome this overbiasing? __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 1 14:53:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:53:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B67FBC2.5698EBBA@concentric.net> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) > ( and Maxell XLII S). I once again place my view of TDK tapes > superiority over Maxell XLII S I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though the two formulations required different calibration points. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 1 14:58:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem or Sonic Frontier? References: <004601c11a33$91b99f00$a2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <042101c11a46$33a886c0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B67FCD8.CA1FB952@concentric.net> Sounds like an excellent candidate for upgrading/tweaking. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > One of the LAST tube amps or preamps I'd recommend to anyone would be Sonic > Frontiers. They're great at using really nice parts, a decent design, and > then screwing it up in some obviously stupid way. Such as using a 40v/100mA > transistor as the current regulator for a cascode pair of driver tubes in > the SFS-80 amp, when the slightest tube defect can hit it with > 300volts(which I have seen happen- very cool explosion!). Or using a $0.25 > cent silicon rectifier bridge for the plate supply of a preamp, and, in the > same preamp, running an input signal cable directly under(within a mm) all > of the supply regulator & amplification electronics. I could go on. Best > to stay away from the stuff, which includes their Anthem line. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with > Anthem or Sonic Frontier? > > > Never used the Anthem stuff did have an old Sonic Frontiers tube amp > > that was reliable and sounded good, have a friend who has the power 3 > > tube amps and they sound excellent on his system. > > I'm not sure what you mean by the oem reference. Sonic Frontiers and > > anthem are made in a suburb of Toronto Canada. > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:03 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Anyone had any experience with Anthem > or > > Sonic Frontier? > > > > > > > Has anyone on this list owned any gear by Anthem or Sonic Frontier? > Sonic > > > Frontier has a very interesting preamp due out this fall, but with all > of > > the > > > OEM'ing going on I wanted to learn more from someone who knows versus > what > > I > > > hear in the audio shops. Thank you in advance for your help and please > > > respond offline. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 1 15:27:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:27:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MX-S References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B67FBC2.5698EBBA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006c01c11a8d$b9c215e0$5a031fac@brianm> I am not sure I have compared the MX-S on my CR-7A, I rarely use my deck anymore. I know that when comparing the tapes on the ZX-9, when I owned it, the MX-S was the clear winner over the XL-II. I will have to try it on my CR-7A. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) > > ( and Maxell XLII S). I once again place my view of TDK tapes > > superiority over Maxell XLII S > > I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell > XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both > the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically > very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though > the two formulations required different calibration > points. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Aug 1 15:41:57 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:41:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B67FBC2.5698EBBA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00d501c11a8f$bc1012a0$15756acf@johnrotten> Hi-Fi Choice Cassette Decks came to the same conclusion years ago. Also, Mr. Sank is a very much an XL-II fan! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) > > ( and Maxell XLII S). I once again place my view of TDK tapes > > superiority over Maxell XLII S > > I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell > XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both > the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically > very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though > the two formulations required different calibration > points. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Aug 1 15:44:28 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:44:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MX-S References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B67FBC2.5698EBBA@concentric.net> <006c01c11a8d$b9c215e0$5a031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00e101c11a90$15ca0b20$15756acf@johnrotten> Compare the prices, no challenge. XL-II can often be bought for a dollar plus. A truly excellent tape. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] MX-S > I am not sure I have compared the MX-S on my CR-7A, I rarely use my deck > anymore. I know that when comparing the tapes on the ZX-9, when I owned it, > the MX-S was the clear winner over the XL-II. > > I will have to try it on my CR-7A. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) > > > ( and Maxell XLII S). I once again place my view of TDK tapes > > > superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > > I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell > > XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both > > the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically > > very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though > > the two formulations required different calibration > > points. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 1 16:37:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:37:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <041c01c11a45$715bed00$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004201c11a9b$1a2d1620$51289bca@smarzuki> Please excuse these stupid questions, but how does 1000zxl overcome rising hf response ? By doing eq to come up to a flat curve ? I remember that ctf1250 has 3 points adj, level (400hz), bias (2k) and eq (10k), what's the other 2 points on 1000zxl ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance to > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 1 16:57:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:57:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? References: Message-ID: <004401c11a9b$21372640$51289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Thanks for the inspiring comment ... :-) Another problem is that I've seen only one zx9 instance in my entire life and none of 3014 !! (what a life). May the force be with us, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > Salim, > > I can think of no mission more noble than relieving someone of a ZX9. Well, at least not his morning! Whatever it takes, nice though a 3014 is. Getting that commitment in writing might make him suspicious. Heh heh. Good luck! > > Marc > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 1 16:44:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:44:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004301c11a9b$1db5eec0$51289bca@smarzuki> Another quick question, why always the best deck + zx9 motor combo ? Isn't dragon's dd motor superior to zx9's ? Is it because of redundancy in reversing direction ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit too > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of course, > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to it's > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have > much better metering. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit too > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of course, > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to it's > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have > much better metering. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:14 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had a > > choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you take > > (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? > > > > I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or > > inheritance, still have this urge to get something more sophisticated for > my > > collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than CR7. Am > I > > nuts? > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a > > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior > > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance > to > > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen > > > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f rating. > > > > > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL vs > CR7 > > since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and consider > the > > performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > > > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on reviews > > with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > > > > > Kannan > > > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday I > > tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) > > > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly > higher* > > > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > > > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue > aside, > > > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record > signal, > > > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only a > > > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > > > >substantial amount. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 1 17:23:08 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:23:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MX-S References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <3B67FBC2.5698EBBA@concentric.net> <006c01c11a8d$b9c215e0$5a031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003f01c11a9d$e25d0860$9865fea9@D9569601> In our cassette taping days we pretty much settled on mxs90 and mxs100 as our standard. We never experienced failures and they were very consistent. But, that was in the 1980's so I've no idea of what might've happened to quality control in the interim. We liked the mxs for the master tapes at the concerts and, typically, used the udxlII to make first generation copies. We did not think that the xlII s provided additional performance; looked nicer, though. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] MX-S > I am not sure I have compared the MX-S on my CR-7A, I rarely use my deck > anymore. I know that when comparing the tapes on the ZX-9, when I owned it, > the MX-S was the clear winner over the XL-II. > > I will have to try it on my CR-7A. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > > > Yesterday I tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) > > > ( and Maxell XLII S). I once again place my view of TDK tapes > > > superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > > I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell > > XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both > > the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically > > very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though > > the two formulations required different calibration > > points. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 1 17:46:13 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:46:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell vs. TDK experiences Message-ID: <3B682445.13736C68@sunint.co.za> Hello Naktalkers! On the issue of the merits/demerits of tape stock from the two above manufacturers, I must admit a leaning towards Maxell. Although I haven't yet picked up Nick's concern on the durability, this is probably because most of my TDKs are not that new. I have a couple, sure; they are SAs and I seem to have a poor retentivity of magnetization with them. I can not understand my poor fortune with them because they have received repeatedly high reviews over the years. Maxells in this class (UD II and XL-II) there is no such problem. On the problem of rising HF, I too find this to be a bonus with Maxells. In particular, if playing back on another deck, where azimuth may be slightly different, and highs are normally the first to suffer, the problem is considerably less than with tapes that conform more closely to the IEC reference. Although I have found that recording without NR on the Cassette Deck 1 on MX-S, there can be a touch of 'quack' in the upper midrange when comparing source/tape, I find that the recordings are stilll very hard to tell from the source and most listeners, even the golden eared, will get it wrong 5 times out of 10. I recently did a jazz quintet recording onto MX-S via a friend's perfectly maintained CR7E without dolby. The quality was an eye opener for the owner who normally uses MA. Due to the ability of the MX-S to absorb more level, we were able to push the noise floor down and gain even greater dynamic range without distortion. As Stephen said, the HF rising response is there, but the transfer is still stunning (and as I said, I believe, more flexible going from deck to deck, than, for instance, an MA would have been). For the same reasons as above, I have found XLII-S better than XL-II and (perhaps I doing something moronic) without the idiosyncracies of SA. SA-X is a great formation, but I would be careful now, based on reports of it's inconsistency and durability. I think MA-XG has a slightly "hot" HF though. I have Maxells from Japan (ostensibly) and Maxells from England. I have found them to be identical in all respects, except the soft packaging and shell lettering. So it would seem that Hitachi/Maxell Corp maintain a vice-like grip on standards. I have never seen MX-IIS. I like the old MX for the same sort of reasons as XLII-S though. To throw a cat amongst the pigeons now, I have recently been enjoying the JVC AF11 ( a type 2 pseudochrome/doped ferric priced against SA, UDII etc). It sports a genuinely excellent tape formulation (good coercivity, good retentivity, i.e. plenty of sparkling vitality three weeks/months later) in a rather ho-hum mechanism (used on a dual cap deck will negate any concerning modualtion noise though, not that I noticed it otherwise). Worth a try if you see it. Just my two cents worth.... Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jenmandel at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 19:29:22 2001 From: jenmandel at yahoo.com (Jennifer Mandel) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:29:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak for sale Message-ID: <00e101c11aaf$88698420$77ccb3d1@jen> Hi y'all - I have a Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer 3-head deck that I'd like to sell. It's in pretty good condition, needs a bit of work. $400 obo. Please contact me either by email at jenmandel at yahoo.com or by phone: 323-661-5352. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 19:41:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:41:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801061947.B6AD511494F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <04b501c11ab1$3d8d79a0$823442cf@sank1> You know, I never thought to have a look before, but your assumption is correct. The Dragon's NE652 is pin-for-pin compatible with the CR-7's TEA0652. Rather obvious, isn't it? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > I was thinking of asking about this for a long time - forgetting it. > Can Dragon' Dolby chip ( the NE652 )be replaced by Cr7' TEA series - as I see almost same dolby circuit implementation as well same maker Philips? I have not seriously comapared the actual values in the circuit but I felt the chip can be a Drop in Replacement? > Where can you get the TEA chip ( excepting Nak parts) and what is the approximate cost and availability? > I (also) felt that this Dolby chip is one of the main reason for Cr7 ' transparency. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > >Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit too > >much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the > >Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > >response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so > >the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of course, > >if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, > >I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an > >aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to it's > >being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have > >much better metering. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 19:43:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:43:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? References: <000401c11a6b$2a8b9c60$8aeb883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <04bb01c11ab1$820231c0$823442cf@sank1> I can think of only two possible factors. The motor & servo(if there is a servo) may take a bit of time to settle to stable speed. The cartridge's stylus suspension may take some amount of excersize to "loosen up" every day. The latter seems the most likely to me. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep 'em switched on all the time? > Forgive my ignorance, but does this apply to all parts of SS equipment - > e.g. warm up for CD, for pre-amp as much as power amp, etc? > > Perhaps it is my imagination but I have always felt that my Goldring Lenco > TT (with Ortofon cartridge) needs to "warm up" before it gives off its best > whereas my Pinl Triangle PT TOO (with DNM cartridge) seems not to need it. > Anyone explain this? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 29 July 2001 23:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tubes and SS - Does it prolong their life to keep > 'em switched on all the time? > > > I can't think of a situation where a ss amp, preamp, etc., would have it's > life expectancy prolonged by leaving powered up full time, but it certainly > eliminates the warm up time. The amusing thing to me is that most high end > ss gear takes FAR longer to really warm up than any tube gear. I don't know > of any tube audio pieces that take more than an hour to reach full > potential. Whereas ss amps & preamps can take over 24 hours to reach their > fullest potential(not talking about initial break-in, just warm up at any > point in a unit's life). It seems like the more "high end" a ss > amp/preamp/dac is, the longer the warm up needed. And going back to Krell, > their preamps are the worst case example. Sound absolutely horrible before > their on for at least 12 hours, and don't sound their best until at least > 24. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 19:48:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:48:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell References: <72433618.251F0222.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Message-ID: <04c101c11ab2$1ba6c660$823442cf@sank1> With some substantial work, without the benefit of being able to re-program the auto-cal processor, I can imagine the possibility of inserting a filter that would attenuate the 15kHz pb response by a dB or two. This would be on a switch that you would only engage during auto-cal & then turn off. This would cause the auto-cal to not over-bias the rising response tape. This would not be an easy mod. Sam's TDK issues, though, I believe are more a case of there being still some remaining capstan bearing issues, causing intermittent tape skewing. I've told Sam to send the deck back to me if the problem continues. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell > My dear Naktalkers, > > Just a few words on TDK/Maxell issue. I think a decade ago I also was a TDK fan, but when TDK moved their production from Japan the quality suffers a great deal. Let alone the topic of durability and tape base already discussed here but even the sound quality is quite different from what it should be and differs from batch to batch. Maxell, just the opposite, demonstrates stable quality and parameter recurrence. > > I must say that opposite to Stephen I like tapes with a slight rise at high-frequency range. They allow to make a recording more transparent and lively. I always try to record a bit more highs due to high frequency attenuation. Maxells (XL-IIS & MX-S in particular) never sound dry or dull with proper bias and EQ settings on best equipment. It's a pity some of us has an impression that CR-7 tends not to like MX-S. > > BTW, Stephen, what do you think - is it possible to make some kind of Fine Bias adjustment in CR-7? Maybe it helps to overcome this overbiasing? > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 19:54:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:54:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <20010801034929.84725114A47@webmail.vsnl.com> <041c01c11a45$715bed00$823442cf@sank1> <004201c11a9b$1a2d1620$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <04d001c11ab3$035ed7e0$823442cf@sank1> According to the 1000ZXL literature I have here, the auto-cal frequencies are 400Hz, 2400Hz, 7200Hz & 20kHz. Could have sworn there were five freqs, but I was remembering incorrectly. It further states that the eq section is comprised of two filters, one "linear" & one 6dB/octave. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > Please excuse these stupid questions, but how does 1000zxl overcome rising > hf response ? By doing eq to come up to a flat curve ? I remember that > ctf1250 has 3 points adj, level (400hz), bias (2k) and eq (10k), what's the > other 2 points on 1000zxl ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a > > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior > > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance > to > > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 20:00:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:00:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> <004301c11a9b$1db5eec0$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <04d601c11ab3$d7300080$823442cf@sank1> The Dragon is dual DD primarily because of the auto-reverse, where it must keep the first capstan 0.2 percent slower than the second capstan in each direction. Not possible with single DD. It is a quartz controlled servo, so is not amenable to pitch control(for use in the ZXL's). The ZX-9 motor system is very close to the Dragon's, but without quartz control. Further, the single DD system is rather more reliable than the dual DD, and the larger flywheel of the ZX-9 gives it very slightly better w/f(0.012 vs 0.015), albeit at the expense of long term speed stability. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > Another quick question, why always the best deck + zx9 motor combo ? Isn't > dragon's dd motor superior to zx9's ? Is it because of redundancy in > reversing direction ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit > too > > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the > > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so > > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of > course, > > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, > > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an > > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to > it's > > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have > > much better metering. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 20:06:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:06:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> <002201c11a9d$845846d0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <04dc01c11ab4$bb66da80$823442cf@sank1> Carl, in case you haven't heard from him yet, I have relayed your email & the relevant correspondence to my friend/client with my speakers & SET amps, and he said he will email you to share his experience with them. Unless you can bypass the speakers' passive crossovers, there's not much point in adding an electronic xover. You can, though, quite well, to "passive biamping", by simply splitting the preamp signal to the two amps & allowing the speakers to do the crossing. This can actually be the best arrangement. Especially if the speakers have freq anomaly compensation in their xovers, as I believe the Linn's do. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Stephen, > > I am considering adding a second amplifier (perhaps my bryston 50wpc solid > state) to the Linn Kelidh speakers; the Audio Note 17wpc would be used for > the tweeter and the Bryston for the woofers. I would require an active > crossover. Can you recommend one, or more, for this application? > > Any comment on this approach or should I just go with an integrated active > Linn system and use Linn amplifiers and interconnects? I hate to give up > the tube sound through the tweeter. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit > too > > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about the > > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., so > > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of > course, > > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously again, > > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As an > > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to > it's > > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL have > > much better metering. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:14 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had a > > > choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you take > > > (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? > > > > > > I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or > > > inheritance, still have this urge to get something more sophisticated > for > > my > > > collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than CR7. > Am > > I > > > nuts? > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have a > > > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > > > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have superior > > > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a chance > > to > > > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen > > > > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f rating. > > > > > > > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL vs > > CR7 > > > since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and consider > > the > > > performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > > > > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on > reviews > > > with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. Yesterday > I > > > tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII S) > > > > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII S > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly > > higher* > > > > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > > > > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue > > aside, > > > > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record > > signal, > > > > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that only > a > > > > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > > > > >substantial amount. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:23:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:23:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2001 12:09:06 AM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << I also found FUJI Z-Metal to be a great tape. >> Hey Stan, I've never used the FUJI Z-Metal and will have to give them a try. I purchased the latest group of TDK SA-X 90's and MA 90's from my local Tower Records store in the Chicagoland area also. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 1 20:29:31 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:29:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> <002201c11a9d$845846d0$9865fea9@D9569601> <04dc01c11ab4$bb66da80$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c11ab8$03b4f4e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Stephen, The Linn speakers (Tukan, Keilidh, and Kaber; the AV5140, too) are all set up for active configuration. Manual says take it to your friendly authorized Linn dealer and this dealer will be happy to convert them and then sell you the Linn gear that costs a small fortune. Benefits are another 10hz of bass and more spl from less watts according to factory specification; intangibel benefits are supposed to be more "transparency" ad nauseam. Thanks for passing it along. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Carl, in case you haven't heard from him yet, I have relayed your email & > the relevant correspondence to my friend/client with my speakers & SET amps, > and he said he will email you to share his experience with them. > Unless you can bypass the speakers' passive crossovers, there's not much > point in adding an electronic xover. You can, though, quite well, to > "passive biamping", by simply splitting the preamp signal to the two amps & > allowing the speakers to do the crossing. This can actually be the best > arrangement. Especially if the speakers have freq anomaly compensation in > their xovers, as I believe the Linn's do. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > Stephen, > > > > I am considering adding a second amplifier (perhaps my bryston 50wpc solid > > state) to the Linn Kelidh speakers; the Audio Note 17wpc would be used for > > the tweeter and the Bryston for the woofers. I would require an active > > crossover. Can you recommend one, or more, for this application? > > > > Any comment on this approach or should I just go with an integrated active > > Linn system and use Linn amplifiers and interconnects? I hate to give up > > the tube sound through the tweeter. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a bit > > too > > > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about > the > > > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > > > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, etc., > so > > > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of > > course, > > > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously > again, > > > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. As > an > > > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, to > > it's > > > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL > have > > > much better metering. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:14 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had a > > > > choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you > take > > > > (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? > > > > > > > > I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or > > > > inheritance, still have this urge to get something more sophisticated > > for > > > my > > > > collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than > CR7. > > Am > > > I > > > > nuts? > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that have > a > > > > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in having > > > > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have > superior > > > > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a > chance > > > to > > > > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen > > > > > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f > rating. > > > > > > > > > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL > vs > > > CR7 > > > > since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and > consider > > > the > > > > performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > > > > > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on > > reviews > > > > with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. > Yesterday > > I > > > > tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII > S) > > > > > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell XLII > S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly > > > higher* > > > > > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > > > > > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD issue > > > aside, > > > > > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record > > > signal, > > > > > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that > only > > a > > > > > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still a > > > > > >substantial amount. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 20:32:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:32:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? Message-ID: <051001c11ab8$44303840$823442cf@sank1> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260853210 "Buy it now" price is "only" $235. What a bargain! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:29:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:29:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak PA-7 brochure Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2001 1:03:05 AM Central Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << The PA-7 brochure is on my web site. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak2.html Click on Amps/Preamps and then you'll see the PA-7 and the PA-7II links. SJ >> Thank you Scott, I appreciate your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Aug 1 20:42:15 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:42:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: Message-ID: <3B684D7F.E7DF18BC@pacbell.net> The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the series, 1 being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I like it, but it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes will not last over time like a Nakamichi transport. Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/2001 4:09:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << It sounds better than my Nak 1, but the nak 1 is not held in high regard > within this > group. I like the auto calibration and yes the buttons are beautifully > machined > metal. So do you know the difference between the 3014 and the 3014 A ? > > Brian > >> > > Hi Brian, > > Thank you for the response. When you say "Nak 1" are you referring to the > BX-1? BX-100? BX-150? MR-1? The Tandberg 3014 enjoys a great reputation, > although I haven't personally heard one. > > Stephen Sank, a member of this list has updated a 3014 to a 3014a and can > better answer that question for you. Again, congratulations on your deck. > > -Sam > > Stephen - Can you share with us this differences between a 3014 and a 3014a? > Thanks. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:39:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:39:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording Message-ID: <49.ec6fcf6.2899a6ea@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2001 1:09:27 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam try TDK SA and let us know your results. Meanwhile are you monitoring the recorded sound using CR7' headphone jack or your amp/ preamp headphone Jack. Since I found very subtle change to better quality playback on my NAD amp once I switched the tone control out! Tone control circuit was muddling the whole sound! Sometimes the amp does lot of masking ( ofcourse Stephen or anyother Naktalker with much better setup could find differing response to similar situations though?)of particular frequency.I also try to use direct connection from CD palyer or Dragon' output instead of Tape loop of preamp to avoid unnecessary masking / signal path extension. Kannan >> Hi Kannan, Interesting question, no I haven't taken the tone controls "out" although all of the settings are currently at "0." I will try that. I originally had my signal running through a DBX route box and moved the tape rec "in" directly to my receiver. Again, I'm talking about splitting "hairs" but I believe the sound is a little brighter connected directly to my receiver. Although, technically the route box is not doing anything or adding anything to the signal. I was trying to limit the amount of hiss I was hearing during recording using my headphones when connected directly to the CR-7. I have come to believe that the hiss I am hearing is coming from my CD player as it is the same and is present when playing CD's. At first I thought it was tape hiss but it is not. My CR-7 is quite quiet. Stephen (God bless him) has been working with me and I may be experiencing some tape skewing. I will try the SA 90's. However, I am creating truly beautiful recordings using the Maxell XL-II. So I can't complain. And, unless you "look" for the anomalies I mentioned you may not hear them using the SA-X90's. To everyone who's heard my recordings, they are great. Except for the Maxell MX-SII and the very first SA-X90 I created. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:42:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:42:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? Message-ID: <82.decddf6.2899a78a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2001 1:22:24 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << I was thinking of asking about this for a long time - forgetting it. Can Dragon' Dolby chip ( the NE652 )be replaced by Cr7' TEA series - as I see almost same dolby circuit implementation as well same maker Philips? I have not seriously comapared the actual values in the circuit but I felt the chip can be a Drop in Replacement? Where can you get the TEA chip ( excepting Nak parts) and what is the approximate cost and availability? I (also) felt that this Dolby chip is one of the main reason for Cr7 ' transparency. Kannan >> Seems like the CR-7's electronics are very good. Did this level of detail find itself in all of the CR's internal workings? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:45:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:45:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? Message-ID: <4f.f1d3dd7.2899a854@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2001 7:56:01 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I think I already posted about this once. IME, Maxell XLII-S was *inferior* to the cheaper XLII, on both the 582 and the CR-7. I found the XLII to be sonically very similar (if not equal) to the TDK SA, even though the two formulations required different calibration points. -- Ron >> Thank you Ron. I think you articulated my experiences and said it in a few less words. I would concur. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 20:51:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:51:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? References: <046301c11a4d$b8232700$823442cf@sank1> <002201c11a9d$845846d0$9865fea9@D9569601> <04dc01c11ab4$bb66da80$823442cf@sank1> <000001c11ab8$03b4f4e0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <053c01c11aba$f2a4a440$823442cf@sank1> The "conversion" no doubt involves either bypassing or removing the passive crossovers. But Linn's active system quite likely contains freq anomaly compensation in the active circuitry. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > Stephen, > > The Linn speakers (Tukan, Keilidh, and Kaber; the AV5140, too) are all set > up for active configuration. Manual says take it to your friendly > authorized Linn dealer and this dealer will be happy to convert them and > then sell you the Linn gear that costs a small fortune. Benefits are > another 10hz of bass and more spl from less watts according to factory > specification; intangibel benefits are supposed to be more "transparency" ad > nauseam. > > Thanks for passing it along. > > Regards, > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > Carl, in case you haven't heard from him yet, I have relayed your email & > > the relevant correspondence to my friend/client with my speakers & SET > amps, > > and he said he will email you to share his experience with them. > > Unless you can bypass the speakers' passive crossovers, there's not much > > point in adding an electronic xover. You can, though, quite well, to > > "passive biamping", by simply splitting the preamp signal to the two amps > & > > allowing the speakers to do the crossing. This can actually be the best > > arrangement. Especially if the speakers have freq anomaly compensation in > > their xovers, as I believe the Linn's do. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I am considering adding a second amplifier (perhaps my bryston 50wpc > solid > > > state) to the Linn Kelidh speakers; the Audio Note 17wpc would be used > for > > > the tweeter and the Bryston for the woofers. I would require an active > > > crossover. Can you recommend one, or more, for this application? > > > > > > Any comment on this approach or should I just go with an integrated > active > > > Linn system and use Linn amplifiers and interconnects? I hate to give > up > > > the tube sound through the tweeter. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > Kind of a tough choice, actually, but I'd have to say CR-7. Just a > bit > > > too > > > > much superiority in the sound of the electronics to be concerned about > > the > > > > Sankyo transport life expectancy. Plus, I really prefer the flatter > > > > response tapes, SA, XLII, MA over the rising response MX-S, MA-X, > etc., > > so > > > > the ZXL's auto-cal superiority wouldn't count for much with me. Of > > > course, > > > > if I had time for my own stuff, and got back into taping seriously > > again, > > > > I'd have to modify the chassis hardware to accept a ZX-9 transport. > As > > an > > > > aside, the ZX-9 itself is not in the running with me due, primarily, > to > > > it's > > > > being the king of excessive signal cable runs. Plus, the CR-7 & ZXL > > have > > > > much better metering. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:14 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK Stephen, bottom line. If all of your decks were gone, and you had > a > > > > > choice of a prestine condition 1000ZXL and CR7, which one would you > > take > > > > > (other, than 1000ZXL/ZX9 hybrid)? > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy with my CR4, but provided a substantial bonus or > > > > > inheritance, still have this urge to get something more > sophisticated > > > for > > > > my > > > > > collection. Somehow, I feel I would be more interested in ZX9 than > > CR7. > > > Am > > > > I > > > > > nuts? > > > > > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > Of > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > Sent: Tue, July 31, 2001 11:50 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1000ZXL definitely has an advantage in calibrating tapes that > have > > a > > > > > non-standard rising HF response, such as MX-S, XLII-S, MA-X, in > having > > > > > multiple calibration frequencies. However, the CR-7 does have > > superior > > > > > sounding electronics overall & shorter signal paths. Never had a > > chance > > > > to > > > > > do a direct a/b comparison, though. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Stephen > > > > > > for correcting my posting of factual error about 1000ZXl w&f > > rating. > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is your openion on record & replay performance of 1000ZXL > > vs > > > > CR7 > > > > > since I have not heard a 1000ZXl ( ofcourse I heard 700ZXL and > > consider > > > > the > > > > > performance to excellent on play back - But that was long time ago. > > > > > > My observation is based on lot more of specs published/ based on > > > reviews > > > > > with test results and Carlos / Wouter' openion of 1000ZXl. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > PS I hope I answered Sam' query on myself owning a 1000ZXl. > > Yesterday > > > I > > > > > tried TDK SA tape calibration and recording ( CR7) ( and Maxell XLII > > S) > > > > > > I once again place my view of TDK tapes superiority over Maxell > XLII > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:34 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you meant to say, Kannan, that the 1000ZXL has *slightly > > > > higher* > > > > > > >wow/flutter than the CR-7. > > > > > > >I have one serious reservation about the ZXL, the belt vs DD > issue > > > > aside, > > > > > > >and that is the wiring complexity of the signal path. The record > > > > signal, > > > > > > >particularly, goes all over the place. The saving grace is that > > only > > > a > > > > > > >minority of the signal routing is via cables. But there is still > a > > > > > > >substantial amount. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 1 20:50:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:50:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak for sale References: <00e101c11aaf$88698420$77ccb3d1@jen> Message-ID: <3B684F88.92666D80@concentric.net> > Jennifer Mandel wrote: > > Hi y'all - > I have a Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer 3-head deck that I'd > like to sell. It's in pretty good condition, needs a bit > of work. $400 obo. > Please contact me either by email at jenmandel at yahoo.com > or by phone: 323-661-5352. > Jennifer, There's a 1000 Mk. II on ebay, currently going for $105. The Mk. II is seriously improved compared to your 1000TT, not to mention, several years younger. I don't think there's much of a chance any of the informed readership here will buy your deck for $400. ebay is a far better place, people pay all kinds of inflated prices over there. Good luck, -- Ron N.B. The 1000 Mk. II on ebay is billed as 'probably the best cassette deck was ever made even compare to the model Dragon'. Surprise!!! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 1 20:53:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:53:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? References: <051001c11ab8$44303840$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B685024.7165A44F@concentric.net> Considering that this is a plastic box with 8 push buttons and a cable, I wonder how foolish someone has to be to pay $235 for it. Where is WUFWUF? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260853210 > "Buy it now" price is "only" $235. What a bargain! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 1 20:58:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:58:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2001 12:46:43 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Sam's TDK issues, though, I believe are more a case of there being still some remaining capstan bearing issues, causing intermittent tape skewing. I've told Sam to send the deck back to me if the problem continues. >> I want to say publicly that Stephen has been simply wonderful to work with and has gone"all out" to help me get the most out of my CR-7 and I truly appreciate all of his help, advise and work. It has been a true pleasure working with him! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 1 21:10:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:10:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? References: <051001c11ab8$44303840$823442cf@sank1> <3B685024.7165A44F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <056201c11abd$a654c900$823442cf@sank1> Oh, right. Wufwuf does indeed have a Dragon. And I believe he lacks the remote. Well, I expect this one will actually sell, then. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? > > Considering that this is a plastic box with 8 push buttons > and a cable, I wonder how foolish someone has to be to pay > $235 for it. > > Where is WUFWUF? > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260853210 > > "Buy it now" price is "only" $235. What a bargain! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Aug 1 21:34:37 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:34:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: Message-ID: <00a401c11ac1$00aca7d0$90756acf@johnrotten> And I would like to second that. I bought a ReVox B760 Tuner from a bid on ebay Germany and had it shipped directly to Stephen in NM. The wait was well worth it. My B760 looks new and sounds wonderful! This way of buying equipment is not cheap as the shipping costs tend to deflate any gain made by buying cheaper but when I think that this unit listed for $1700 in 1984 then I think the effort and expense was worth it. A great job Stephen, many thank you's! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell > > I want to say publicly that Stephen has been simply wonderful to work with > and has gone"all out" to help me get the most out of my CR-7 and I truly > appreciate all of his help, advise and work. It has been a true pleasure > working with him! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Aug 1 22:01:42 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:01:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! Message-ID: <3B686026.ADF8E6F7@telcel.net.ve> Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the bass was specially robust. Any of you can tell me more about this one??? Thanks a lot Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Wed Aug 1 22:32:52 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:32:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps References: <20010731045959.B1A95114B5E@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B686774.CF9D7959@snip.net> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > John, I am just curious about the time you sold your 700ZXl and if that does not bother you; how much you could ealise out of that during that time? Does Nak decks had great resale value then or the interest in Nak a recent phenomenon? kannan > PS I remembered my first Nak offering was broken down 682Zx or BX1 for the same price with 682 had the head alignment screws fallen out Might have been easy work for me now but that task of servicing a Nak at the time daunted me so much I took the > BX1! Kannan & Sam, Back when I sold the 700ZXL (in 84 I believe), we didn't have the resources we do now--eBay, Audio Shopper, AudiogoN, etc.--so back then we had to use the newspaper classifieds. The Chicago Tribune and the Philadelphia Inquirer were both good sources during the times I lived in those cities and I always had good luck buying used high end equipment. Very often the seller was responding to the "product of the month" syndrome engendered by Stereophile, Absolute Sound, the Audio Critic, etc., and was selling a perfectly wonderful piece, often a current model and at a fraction of its new purchase price. Because of my interest in the high end, these were pieces that were built like the proverbial brick ****house and nothing ever went wrong with them. One of my favorite stories: Back in 1984 I bought a pair of Acoustat 2+2's with the latest medallion transformer from the original owner for $1,400. After about 2-3 months of auditioning various replacement speakers, the seller ended up buying another pair of 2+2's, exactly the same as the pair he sold me for $2,850 plus sales tax at six percent (I knew the dealer and got this info directly from him). I finally sold these speakers in 1998. Another story: In March 1999 I found a Spectral DMC-12 (from an Inquirer classified) and purchased it for $1,550--It had cost the seller $3,995. Before buying it, I called the dealer from whom the Seller had originally purchased it to see if the unit had had any problems and to verify that it did have Spectral's phono module installed. The dealer told me it was a great unit, and then unbeknownst to me, called the seller to try to talk him out of selling it (he was going to buy a Krell, and you've heard what Stephen thinks of them). Boy was I pissed when I found this out--The dealer wouldn't have known it was up for sale if I hadn't called him, but the seller went ahead with the sale to me (it was he who told me about the dealer's call) and bought his Krell. Responding to your question about my satisfaction with what I received for what I was selling--I basically only sold a piece after I found another piece to replace it, and often I was selling a piece that I had picked up used from the newspaper classifieds or one that I had owned for a long while. For example, I sold my Acoustat 2+2's in 1998 for $1,100 and I had purchased them in 1984 for $1,400. Likewise with my 700ZXL which I had purchased used from the classifieds. While I don't remember what I paid for it or what Dan Greenfield gave me for it, my recollection is that I made a little money on it. SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi John, Thank you for the clarification and system history. You have a very nice system and I'm sure it sounds very sweet! > > "Originally I had a 700 which I got when it first came out and which served me well. I replaced it with a 700(II) after they came out. At that time, I had a dealer in the Northern Chicago suburbs who gave me really good prices." > > Very cool. I live in the Northwest Suburbs of Chicago. Who was your dealer and are they still in business? I shopped at Columbia HiFi in Highland Park and knew the owner, Norm Rozak, and his top salesperson, Paul, but who has long since left. They carried Nakamichi & Acoustat among their high end lines, but I haven't been in Illinois since 1983. I also dealt with Basil Gouletas, but he's long since passed away.. > "...which meant that when I moved permanently to Philadelphia, I went from a large 4 bedroom home in Lake Forest IL with a dedicated listening room (it was close to perfect) ..." > > Very nice, I have a close friend who lives in Lake Forest. Currently I live in a one bedroom apartment and am preparing myself for a home purchase. I look forward to finally being able to enjoy my system and turn the volume up without being > concerned about neighbors. Would you mind telling me more about your listening room? Did you have sound wired throughout the entire home or just in this room? > The listening/family room was built as an addition in 1981. It was bout 17.5' square and had a cathedral ceiling (with the peak in the center) that rose to about 14'. The back wall (along which I placed my Acoustat Model 3's was about 12' thick of solid brick and masonry (it was originally the exterior wall of the house before I added the room). The floor was a quarry tile laid on a concrete slab and I had electrical conduit put in the slab before it was poured to run my speaker wire from my equipment location to where the speakers were to be. I threaded the thickest Monster cable through the conduit (at this time that was it for high-end speaker cable). At the equipment end, I had a dedicated 20 amp line. On other houses I owned which were new construction I had run speaker cable underneath the floors and up the walls (emerging from a plate much like we do with cable today) while the homes were being built. This was before the days of home theater and I never got any more elaborate than that. > "Instead I got a HighCom (from Danby Radio where Stephen was working) and a DBX 224 pro (which I still have but don't currently use, but I might try it with my reel-to reel)." > > Interesting. I have a DBX 3BX range expander that I don't use often now. I've been thinking about adding an external noise reduction unit just to eliminate a very small (less than 2 db) hiss I hear when monitoring > recordings using headphones. I am also using a DBX 200X route selector, and along with my mixer that may be the cause. Given your experience with an outboard unit, is it really worth the cost for hiss that is less than 2 db? Just curious... > > "At that time I would make tapes of favorite cuts from a variety of records and put them together in preferred compilations, e.g., dynamite female vocals, with selections such as Joan Armatrading doing "Willow", with some Linda Ronstadt, Joni > Mitchell, Amanda McBroom, Joan Baez, etc. all on the same C-90." > > Yes I understand. I just finished making a really nice jazz vocals compilation with everything from Natalie and Nat King Cole to the Manhattan Transfer and Al Jarreau using a Maxell XL-II S. I have found that nothing > beats cassettes and a good machine for compilations. I created several CD compilations and I find cassette a better medium for recording various music sources. I would love to listen to some of your "compilation" tapes. If that is possible, please contact me off-NAkTalk at smoke at snip.net > "At this time a number of trusted sources with whom I discussed my problem told me that the CR7a, while it couldn't record live, did just as good a job as the 700ZXL and the Dragon and was easier to calibrate." > > I like my CR7 and it makes really great recordings. So the 700ZXL was manual? It looks like a very impressive machine with it's large footprint. It looks like anything created with it would sound great. > > "Plus my 700ZXL was starting to act up (I believe it had belts) and when I got the estimate,..." > > Yes, it uses belts and they occasionally have to be replaced. > > "The CR7a was a great deck, and playing back tapes recorded on it, was wonderful, but sometimes prerecorded budget tapes of classical music, which my wife liked to buy to use in her car, didn't sound as good in my CR7a in my home system as they did > in the TD1200II in my car." > > That's interesting. Another NakTalker asked me about the playback of prerecorded cassettes on my CR7. I haven't played any prerecorded tapes in my CR-7. But those that I've made using it sound fantastic! There may be an issue with prerecorded > audio using the CR7a. Record and playback on the same CR7a is wonderful. My TD1200II did a wonderful job on tapes originally recorded on my 700(II) (and the CR7a) and some of those tapes are more than 25+ years old. > "(many tapes I had made in the 80's and early 90's were stolen when my car was broken into)." > > I'm sorry to hear that. > > "I found a mint Dragon on eBay, bought it, and sent it to Stephen to check out & service, and sold my CR7a to a fellow NAKtalker." Here again, I sold my CR7a for what I paid for the Dragon and what I would have paid for the gear upgrade covered the shipping to, and servicing by, Stephen. > I've always wanted a Dragon and still may one day purchase one just to finally have one. I understand it is manual calibration, but that one it is calibrated it makes very nice cassettes. Do you use your Dragon for > recording or just playback? And, did Stephen make any modifications to it? No, just checked it out and completely serviced it. When I get my system back together (which is about how I want it) and after I get some listening and recording time in, I very well may send it to Stephen for upgrading. > "My system is all apart right now awaiting installation of some new pieces, but I am looking forward to some serious recording in about a month or two." > > If you don't mind me asking, what new components are you adding to your system? And, have you found a reputable high-end dealer in the city of brotherly love? How do you like Philadelphia? I've only flown into the city when working with 3Com. > How's the down economy affecting the city? And, what type of work do you do? My system consists of: (before additions): Spectral DMC-12 Pre-Amp Nakamichi ST-7 Tuner Nakamichi Dragon California Audio Labs CL-10 CD Player Technics RS-1500US 1/2 track R-2-R Vandersteen 4A's (bi-amped & tri-wired) with WX-4 Crossover Stax Lambda Pro headphones VPI HW-19 MkIII, Graham arm w/Benz Glider Eagle 2C bi-wired to Mids+Highs Acoustat TNT-200 for Base Power Wedge 116 VPI HW-16.5 record cleaner I got another Eagle 2c to replace the Acoustat TNT-200 for the bass. and I got a PS Audio P600 to replace the Power Wedge 116. I've also gotten some power cords to replace the power cords to the Eagles, the Stax, the CAL and the Spectral. Finally I got MIT 330 Shotgun for going from the Spectral to the WX-4, MIT 750 Shotgun biwire for the going to the Mids and Highs, and PS Audio Lab Speaker cable for going to the Bass. Al in all it's going to be a hell of a job fitting everything into my CWD rack and re-wiring everything and than I've got to let it all burn in. When I'm done, I'll let you know how it sounds. I'm an attorney, but for the last 8 years or so I've been specializing in, concentrating upon, acting as an independent fiduciary, plan administrator or trustee. > It has been a pleasure chatting with you and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Take care and God bless! > > -Sam If you're ever going to be in Philadelphia. let me know in advance and we can see if our schedules fit Best, John PS, If any NakTalker is interested in my Acoustat TNT-200 or my Power Wedge 116, please contact me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 23:32:07 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! In-Reply-To: <45.9eeab9e.28985cac@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010801213207.94902.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> It should do just fine. They are usually capable of many Amps which is great. SJ --- SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/2001 11:23:21 AM Central > Daylight Time, > p9019 at yahoo.com writes: > > << One more thing about running the TD-700 on a > power > supply. Make sure it's a hefty one. The TD-500 > and > TD-700 draw an extremely large amount of current > when > the transport is changing modes. I tried it on a > small 2 Amp, +12V supply and that wasn't enough. > There are two solenoids that must draw something > like > 6 Amps for about 1/2 a second. You'll notice the > displays backlight get dim! > > SJ >> > > Hi All! > > Wouldn't one of those old mobile CB radio power > supplies for the home do the > trick? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 2 00:34:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:34:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? In-Reply-To: <051001c11ab8$44303840$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001501c11ada$2fb57b60$5746063e@a4s1s2> Incredible - someone bought it, too! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 01 August 2001 19:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260853210 "Buy it now" price is "only" $235. What a bargain! 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Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 2 03:32:13 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:32:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audiogon Message-ID: <01ca01c11af2$f6496ee0$5a031fac@brianm> BlankAudiogon took their playground away today! Anybody else use their discussion forum on Naktalk? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Blank Bkgrd.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 05:20:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:20:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! Message-ID: <9d.191f53e0.289a2113@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2001 4:34:57 PM Central Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: << It should do just fine. They are usually capable of many Amps which is great. SJ >> Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 06:01:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:01:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/30/2001 3:17:15 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so much like the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between these two decks? Thank you. >> Hi Brian, If I send a blank cassette to you, would you be willing to record something for me using your Tandberg 3014? I'd like to hear what it sounds like? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 06:07:44 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:37:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 Message-ID: <20010802040744.1FDEF1149B9@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 2 06:59:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:59:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 References: <20010802040744.1FDEF1149B9@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <05d001c11b0f$e08115a0$823442cf@sank1> I've never had need to look around for TEA0652 before. None of my regular suppliers have it. So, you are as well off as I am to look for it on the web & etc. It would be really damned interesting to see if that change makes the difference in the Dragon. However, I think the fairly extensive routing-by-cable of the signal path in the Dragon has probably quite a bit to do with it. If you find the TEA0652, I'd expect them to be under $10 each, even from Nak. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 > Stephen > I looked at the circuit and found the playback circuit all across identical to Dragon except electronic switching of eq and fet switches to mute lines in CR7. > Can I get your openion on the following > Only major difference I see in CR7 is this Dolby IC other than signal wiring eventhough the maker and pin connections are same. Do you think the change is worth while experimenting for obtaining better play/ record transparency like CR7? > Where can I get this Ic and what is the cost of TEA 0652? If you can guess ? > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: The 1000 best ever deck? Are you sure? > > > >You know, I never thought to have a look before, but your assumption is > >correct. The Dragon's NE652 is pin-for-pin compatible with the CR-7's > >TEA0652. Rather obvious, isn't it? > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 2 07:51:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:51:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Vertex tape Message-ID: <05ea01c11b17$2f4a97e0$823442cf@sank1> I've been seeing people pay ludicrous prices for Maxell Vertex tapes recently. Prompting me to relate my experience with them. About 6 years ago, a guy asked me to bias his Sony TCD-5M & Nak BX300 for Vertex & gave me a fresh one to do it with. When I put it into the Sony & recorded a tone, I saw something that I had NEVER(or since) seen on the oscilloscope before: Modulation noise. So severe that it was plainly audible. Then tried it on the BX300 & got the same result. Then, a brand new CR-7A & same result. So, I asked the guy to bring in all of the Vertex he had, and every tape did exactly the same thing. Anyone else had this experience with Vertex? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 08:19:20 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:49:20 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps Message-ID: <20010802061920.5D17211499C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 08:32:04 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:02:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording Message-ID: <20010802063204.83C7A114917@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 04:06:57 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:06:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <3B684D7F.E7DF18BC@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000701c11b1f$844d9e60$5e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Brian, May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? More in the bass dept ? or ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the series, 1 > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I like it, but > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes will not last > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 09:12:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:42:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... Message-ID: <20010802071211.C6CDD114B55@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Aug 2 09:20:02 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:20:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <3E00482B.6660C639.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Stephen, thank you very much for considering my tweaking suggestion. As I understand from your comment this would have been a hard work probably not worth the efforts. I'm eager to buy my own CR-7 to check its compatibility with MX-S tape, maybe that is not so threatening as we tend to think. Thank again. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 09:04:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:04:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 References: <20010802040744.1FDEF1149B9@webmail.vsnl.com> <05d001c11b0f$e08115a0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002d01c11b23$2ce82060$5e289bca@smarzuki> Kannan, why don't you pull out those TEA0652s from your BX300 ? There are 4 of em and looks like dragon also uses 4. And ... do let me know the result, please ? :-) :-) :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 > I've never had need to look around for TEA0652 before. None of my regular > suppliers have it. So, you are as well off as I am to look for it on the > web & etc. It would be really damned interesting to see if that change > makes the difference in the Dragon. However, I think the fairly extensive > routing-by-cable of the signal path in the Dragon has probably quite a bit > to do with it. > If you find the TEA0652, I'd expect them to be under $10 each, even from > Nak. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby IC TEA0652 > > > > Stephen > > I looked at the circuit and found the playback circuit all across > identical to Dragon except electronic switching of eq and fet switches to > mute lines in CR7. > > Can I get your openion on the following > > Only major difference I see in CR7 is this Dolby IC other than signal > wiring eventhough the maker and pin connections are same. Do you think the > change is worth while experimenting for obtaining better play/ record > transparency like CR7? > > Where can I get this Ic and what is the cost of TEA 0652? If you can guess > ? > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 09:16:09 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:16:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question References: <20010802063204.83C7A114917@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002e01c11b23$30c4e560$5e289bca@smarzuki> Kannan and all, this is one big question to me ... If CR7 is the *ultimate* in tape playing transparency (forget recording for awhile) then why CR5 with its similar playback circuitry doesn't win the heart of nakkers ? Even considering the recording facility, it should be ranked at least above LX5 and 680zx, then why this deck never make it to "the list" ? SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > Sam > believe me about this - your DBX routing definitely might be changing the quality of signal. > I am not surprised by Stephen' remarks about even signal routing inside Nak dragon by plain wires can change the tonality of Sound. So try removing unnecessary signal routing. > Ofcourse Stephen' diagnosis is consistantly 100% proves correct and hope you get this CR7 tape skew problem solved soon. > > I think you might soon win CR5 - I suppose on ebay? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > > > >Hi Kannan, > > > >Interesting question, no I haven't taken the tone controls "out" although all > >of the settings are currently at "0." I will try that. I originally had my > >signal running through a DBX route box and moved the tape rec "in" directly > >to my receiver. Again, I'm talking about splitting "hairs" but I believe the > >sound is a little brighter connected directly to my receiver. Although, > >technically the route box is not doing anything or adding anything to the > >signal. > > > >I was trying to limit the amount of hiss I was hearing during recording using > >my headphones when connected directly to the CR-7. I have come to believe > >that the hiss I am hearing is coming from my CD player as it is the same and > >is present when playing CD's. At first I thought it was tape hiss but it is > >not. My CR-7 is quite quiet. > > > >Stephen (God bless him) has been working with me and I may be experiencing > >some tape skewing. I will try the SA 90's. However, I am creating truly > >beautiful recordings using the Maxell XL-II. So I can't complain. And, > >unless you "look" for the anomalies I mentioned you may not hear them using > >the SA-X90's. To everyone who's heard my recordings, they are great. Except > >for the Maxell MX-SII and the very first SA-X90 I created. > > > >-Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 09:40:09 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:10:09 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <20010802074009.CF241114C9C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 2 09:47:54 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:47:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: Hi Salim: I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you have just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally don't know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown to like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid tonality. If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and therefore hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the machine very desirable to my mind. Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty much equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> Hi Brian, May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? More in the bass dept ? or ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the series, 1 > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I like it, but > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes will not last > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Aug 2 09:31:59 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:31:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D419@CPT-01> $ for $ the only way to go is second hand equipment. by the way has anyone heard about an 'EAR' phono power supply, a friend was trying to get me to audition it. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: 02 August 2001 08:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps John I should thank you a lot for your rather long patient reply to our (Sam & self) query. And it is really interesting read. Actually our other friend Neal' purchase experience of 1000ZXl is something like yours! I am participating only in this group and thank all of them for their great participation and response! Though I miss Graham' humour - they have become very rare recently. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Spectral pre-amps >> >Kannan & Sam, > >Back when I sold the 700ZXL (in 84 I believe), we didn't have the resources we do now--eBay, Audio Shopper, AudiogoN, etc.--so back then we had to use the newspaper classifieds. The Chicago Tribune and the Philadelphia Inquirer were both good sources >during the times I lived in those cities and I always had good luck buying used high end equipment. Very often the seller was responding to the "product of the month" syndrome engendered by Stereophile, Absolute Sound, the Audio Critic, etc., and was >selling a perfectly wonderful piece, often a current model and at a fraction of its new purchase price. Because of my interest in the high end, these were pieces that were built like the proverbial brick ****house and nothing ever went wrong with them. > >One of my favorite stories: Back in 1984 I bought a pair of Acoustat 2+2's with the latest medallion transformer from the original owner for $1,400. After about 2-3 months of auditioning various replacement speakers, the seller ended up buying another >pair of 2+2's, exactly the same as the pair he sold me for $2,850 plus sales tax at six percent (I knew the dealer and got this info directly from him). I finally sold these speakers in 1998. > >Another story: In March 1999 I found a Spectral DMC-12 (from an Inquirer classified) and purchased it for $1,550--It had cost the seller $3,995. Before buying it, I called the dealer from whom the Seller had originally purchased it to see if the unit >had had any problems and to verify that it did have Spectral's phono module installed. The dealer told me it was a great unit, and then unbeknownst to me, called the seller to try to talk him out of selling it (he was going to buy a Krell, and you've >heard what Stephen thinks of them). Boy was I pissed when I found this out--The dealer wouldn't have known it was up for sale if I hadn't called him, but the seller went ahead with the sale to me (it was he who told me about the dealer's call) and >bought his Krell. > >Responding to your question about my satisfaction with what I received for what I was selling--I basically only sold a piece after I found another piece to replace it, and often I was selling a piece that I had picked up used from the newspaper >classifieds or one that I had owned for a long while. For example, I sold my Acoustat 2+2's in 1998 for $1,100 and I had purchased them in 1984 for $1,400. Likewise with my 700ZXL which I had purchased used from the classifieds. While I don't >remember what I paid for it or what Dan Greenfield gave me for it, my recollection is that I made a little money on it. > > > > >Best, >John > >PS, If any NakTalker is interested in my Acoustat TNT-200 or my Power Wedge 116, please contact me. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Message-ID: <75077962.4AD297DB.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> >Paolo >Can we get a scanned copy of this Cr7 test report -"Suono n.210 (November 1990" BTW, I have some Xerox copies of cassette decks reviews from Italian audio magazines including Nak CR-7E (AUDIOreview n.49, aprile 1986), ZX-7 (SUONO N 133, Maggio 1984), Revox B-710 Mk.II (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Revox B-215 (AUDIOreview n. 43, ottobre 1985), Tandberg 3014 (AUDIOreview n.38, aprile 1985), TEAC Z-5000 (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Aiwa AD-F990 (SUONO N. 127, Novembre 1983), Kyocera D-601 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Pioneer CT-A9 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Yamaha K-2000 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Akai GX-F91 (SUONO N. 120, Marzo 1983), Technics RS-B905 (AUDIOreview n. 63, luglio/agosto 1987) & Kenwood KX-880G (AUDIOreview n. 49, aprile 1986). I'm not fluent in Italian, but as it seems to me these reviews are very thorough. If anybody wants to do anything with them (scanning, posting), please contact me. Kannan, I looked through the AUDIOreview test of CR-7, regarding S/N they give the following figures: Rapporto segnale/rumore (nastro di riferimento tipo II) no dolby (sinistro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) no dolby (destro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) dolby B (sinistro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby B (destro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby C (sinistro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) dolby C (destro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) Unfortunately, no comments on terms in brackets. Maybe someone from Italian side will have a word. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 2 09:33:46 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:33:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! Message-ID: Isy! Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a while. Marc >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the bass was specially robust. Any of you can tell me more about this one??? Thanks a lot Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Aug 2 10:58:01 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 04:58:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <773020C0.0B284EE1.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Thanks, Kannan. Of course I will not dismantle CR-7! :-) That suggestion was a pure fancy of mind! >Infact whatever is recorded on Dragon sounds wonderful on CR7! The only minor thing is left - to find CR-7 plus a Dragon as a supplied accessory :-))) Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 10:51:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:51:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? References: Message-ID: <004801c11b30$5e02b360$5e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, I was also confused, after getting bx300, I like it better than cr4 - then came cr5, also preferable sound quality than the 4 - finally this cass deck 1 (with a bit of skepticism originating from naktalk, but I really like the idea of having manual az. adj) - I also prefer this one teenie bit over cr4 ! Haven't heard how a dr1 or 10 sounds like. I asked Stephen what good having pb amp extremely close to capstan motor and he said that its shorter signal path outweighs the placement disadvantage. In any case this cass deck 1 is similar to cr3/4 in using dolby 20188 chip, but sonically ... I like it better ! But still for recording purposes cr4 can get better stuff out of tape formulations. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? Hi Salim: I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you have just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally don't know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown to like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid tonality. If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and therefore hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the machine very desirable to my mind. Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty much equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 10:54:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:54:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip References: <20010802074232.8668E114CC9@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <004b01c11b30$b5534d00$5e289bca@smarzuki> My BX (and also manual) says TEA0652, good luck ! :-) :-) Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 2 12:07:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:07:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question References: <20010802063204.83C7A114917@webmail.vsnl.com> <002e01c11b23$30c4e560$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <063c01c11b3a$e0a44680$823442cf@sank1> I, for one, DO consider the CR-5 every bit as good as the CR-7 for playback. The CR-7 gets all the attention due to the recording/calibrating advantage. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question > > Kannan and all, this is one big question to me ... If CR7 is the *ultimate* > in tape playing transparency (forget recording for awhile) then why CR5 with > its similar playback circuitry doesn't win the heart of nakkers ? Even > considering the recording facility, it should be ranked at least above LX5 > and 680zx, then why this deck never make it to "the list" ? > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > > > > Sam > > believe me about this - your DBX routing definitely might be changing the > quality of signal. > > I am not surprised by Stephen' remarks about even signal routing inside > Nak dragon by plain wires can change the tonality of Sound. So try removing > unnecessary signal routing. > > Ofcourse Stephen' diagnosis is consistantly 100% proves correct and hope > you get this CR7 tape skew problem solved soon. > > > > I think you might soon win CR5 - I suppose on ebay? > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > > > > > > >Hi Kannan, > > > > > >Interesting question, no I haven't taken the tone controls "out" although > all > > >of the settings are currently at "0." I will try that. I originally had > my > > >signal running through a DBX route box and moved the tape rec "in" > directly > > >to my receiver. Again, I'm talking about splitting "hairs" but I believe > the > > >sound is a little brighter connected directly to my receiver. Although, > > >technically the route box is not doing anything or adding anything to the > > >signal. > > > > > >I was trying to limit the amount of hiss I was hearing during recording > using > > >my headphones when connected directly to the CR-7. I have come to > believe > > >that the hiss I am hearing is coming from my CD player as it is the same > and > > >is present when playing CD's. At first I thought it was tape hiss but it > is > > >not. My CR-7 is quite quiet. > > > > > >Stephen (God bless him) has been working with me and I may be > experiencing > > >some tape skewing. I will try the SA 90's. However, I am creating truly > > >beautiful recordings using the Maxell XL-II. So I can't complain. And, > > >unless you "look" for the anomalies I mentioned you may not hear them > using > > >the SA-X90's. To everyone who's heard my recordings, they are great. > Except > > >for the Maxell MX-SII and the very first SA-X90 I created. > > > > > >-Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 2 12:16:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:16:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: Message-ID: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or more years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman preamp(at the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good unit). With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was $2500 retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp Mac ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but for about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone controls(yes, I said tone controls). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > Isy! > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a while. > > Marc > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > bass was specially robust. > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > Thanks a lot > Isy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 2 12:18:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:18:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell References: <773020C0.0B284EE1.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Message-ID: <065001c11b3c$7ae1f160$823442cf@sank1> No, no, Salim. What we need is a CR-7 with switching between auto-calibration & Dragon-style manual cal system. And auto pb azimuth, goddammit! And, naturally, the ZX-9 transport. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell > Thanks, Kannan. Of course I will not dismantle CR-7! :-) That suggestion was a pure fancy of mind! > > >Infact whatever is recorded on Dragon sounds wonderful on CR7! > > The only minor thing is left - to find CR-7 plus a Dragon as a supplied accessory :-))) > > Regards, > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in Thu Aug 2 09:45:01 2001 From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:15:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question Message-ID: <000401c11b3f$4f237d20$42d60192@vsnl> Salim I do not know as I have not heard a CR5! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question > >Kannan and all, this is one big question to me ... If CR7 is the *ultimate* >in tape playing transparency (forget recording for awhile) then why CR5 with >its similar playback circuitry doesn't win the heart of nakkers ? Even >considering the recording facility, it should be ranked at least above LX5 >and 680zx, then why this deck never make it to "the list" ? > >SM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:32 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > > >> Sam >> believe me about this - your DBX routing definitely might be changing the >quality of signal. >> I am not surprised by Stephen' remarks about even signal routing inside >Nak dragon by plain wires can change the tonality of Sound. So try removing >unnecessary signal routing. >> Ofcourse Stephen' diagnosis is consistantly 100% proves correct and hope >you get this CR7 tape skew problem solved soon. >> >> I think you might soon win CR5 - I suppose on ebay? >> Kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording >> >> >> >Hi Kannan, >> > >> >Interesting question, no I haven't taken the tone controls "out" although >all >> >of the settings are currently at "0." I will try that. I originally had >my >> >signal running through a DBX route box and moved the tape rec "in" >directly >> >to my receiver. Again, I'm talking about splitting "hairs" but I believe >the >> >sound is a little brighter connected directly to my receiver. Although, >> >technically the route box is not doing anything or adding anything to the >> >signal. >> > >> >I was trying to limit the amount of hiss I was hearing during recording >using >> >my headphones when connected directly to the CR-7. I have come to >believe >> >that the hiss I am hearing is coming from my CD player as it is the same >and >> >is present when playing CD's. At first I thought it was tape hiss but it >is >> >not. My CR-7 is quite quiet. >> > >> >Stephen (God bless him) has been working with me and I may be >experiencing >> >some tape skewing. I will try the SA 90's. However, I am creating truly >> >beautiful recordings using the Maxell XL-II. So I can't complain. And, >> >unless you "look" for the anomalies I mentioned you may not hear them >using >> >the SA-X90's. To everyone who's heard my recordings, they are great. >Except >> >for the Maxell MX-SII and the very first SA-X90 I created. >> > >> >-Sam >> > >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 13:19:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:49:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... Message-ID: <20010802111902.7DB7D114A68@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 2 13:23:23 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:53:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip Message-ID: <20010802112323.ECA23114A78@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Aug 2 14:11:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:11:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006f01c11b4c$487fe410$16756acf@johnrotten> I have two Apt pre-amps. One is rare black version with rack handles other amp. is regular dark grey. Anybody here wishing to buy one could contact me at jmtooley at ce.net John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or more > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman preamp(at > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good unit). > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was $2500 > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp Mac > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but for > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > Isy! > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a > while. > > > > Marc > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > bass was specially robust. > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > Thanks a lot > > Isy > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 2 09:37:03 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:37:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? Message-ID: Yup. You know Graham, it"s amazing what people will pay to not have to get off their what-nots. (Is "freckles" still impolite??) Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 08/02/01 12:34AM >>> Incredible - someone bought it, too! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 01 August 2001 19:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Does anybody need a Dragon remote this badly? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260853210 "Buy it now" price is "only" $235. What a bargain! Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Thu Aug 2 15:33:21 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:33:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 S/N ratio Message-ID: <20010802133656.BRPK16782.fep21-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 04:40:13 -0400 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... >Paolo >Can we get a scanned copy of this Cr7 test report -"Suono n.210 (November 1990" BTW, I have some Xerox copies of cassette decks reviews from Italian audio magazines including Nak CR-7E (AUDIOreview n.49, aprile 1986), ZX-7 (SUONO N 133, Maggio 1984), Revox B-710 Mk.II (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Revox B-215 (AUDIOreview n. 43, ottobre 1985), Tandberg 3014 (AUDIOreview n.38, aprile 1985), TEAC Z-5000 (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Aiwa AD-F990 (SUONO N. 127, Novembre 1983), Kyocera D-601 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Pioneer CT-A9 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Yamaha K-2000 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Akai GX-F91 (SUONO N. 120, Marzo 1983), Technics RS-B905 (AUDIOreview n. 63, luglio/agosto 1987) & Kenwood KX-880G (AUDIOreview n. 49, aprile 1986). I'm not fluent in Italian, but as it seems to me these reviews are very thorough. If anybody wants to do anything with them (scanning, posting), please contact me. Kannan, I looked through the AUDIOreview test of CR-7, regarding S/N they give the following figures: Rapporto segnale/rumore (nastro di riferimento tipo II) no dolby (sinistro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) no dolby (destro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) dolby B (sinistro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby B (destro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby C (sinistro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) dolby C (destro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) Unfortunately, no comments on terms in brackets. Maybe someone from Italian side will have a word. Regards, Nicholas. Nicholas, sinistro=left, destro=right, non pes.=unwtd, pesato=wtd nastro di riferimento tipo II is the IEC II Basf chrome reference tape. Kannan, I do not have a scanner, but I'll see what I can do. I hope the following helps, anyway. As for the article on Suono 210 (which contains an extensive listening test, too) the S/N values are 'A' weighted, worst channel. BTW, here are the other figures they obtained with type I and type II: TDK AR-X (type I): out, 61.2 dB; B, 70.6; C, 77.9; Nakamichi SX (type II): out, 59.7; B, 68.9; C, 76.1; Sony Metal ES (type IV): out, 67.2; B, 76.1; C, 83.5. These tapes were selected because they had the best overall compatibility with the recorder. Overload capability (in Italian capacita' di magnetizzazione, I don't know if I translated right) (3% THD @ 315 Hz) was: IEC I +7(left) +7.1(right) dB; meters +10; IEC II + 3.8(left) +3.6(right) dB; meters +7; IEC IV +9.2(left) +9.2(right) dB; meters +10dB. Seems that IEC II tapes are the worst match for the CR-7. Anyhow, I obtain outstanding results especially with the Sony UX series (including UX-S, a bit less with the Pro version). The reviewer was the well-respected Fabrizio Montanucci. Given time I will be able to send a scan of the review including the listening test which is very interesting and quite well matching with what I have been able to find out myself. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Thu Aug 2 16:08:05 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:08:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] S/R with metal tape Message-ID: <20010802140811.NNPP29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Kannan, 60 dB dolby out (A WTD) is a lot? Check the Dragon on Stereo Review March 1988. The figures they obtained were (TDK MA): Dolby out 64.6; B 73.2; C 79.4. Once again there is a nice listening test comparing it to : Onkyo TA-2090 Tandberg 3014A Revox B215 Harman/Kardon CD 491 Anyhow, none of the above could make it to 60 dB with any tape, except the 491 with TDK MA (60.4 dB). Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 16:58:45 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:58:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell References: <773020C0.0B284EE1.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> <065001c11b3c$7ae1f160$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c11b66$3479dba0$4d289bca@smarzuki> ??? somehow my name got stuck on azimuth adjustment ?? :-) :-) that one was from Nick. the other Nick. not the adventurous one. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell > No, no, Salim. What we need is a CR-7 with switching between > auto-calibration & Dragon-style manual cal system. And auto pb azimuth, > goddammit! And, naturally, the ZX-9 transport. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell > > > > Thanks, Kannan. Of course I will not dismantle CR-7! :-) That suggestion > was a pure fancy of mind! > > > > >Infact whatever is recorded on Dragon sounds wonderful on CR7! > > > > The only minor thing is left - to find CR-7 plus a Dragon as a supplied > accessory :-))) > > > > Regards, > > > > Nicholas. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 16:58:27 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:58:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question References: <20010802063204.83C7A114917@webmail.vsnl.com> <002e01c11b23$30c4e560$5e289bca@smarzuki> <063c01c11b3a$e0a44680$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002201c11b66$2fca8460$4d289bca@smarzuki> whew ...! now Sam is increasing his bid quietly ... Thanks Stephen, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question > I, for one, DO consider the CR-5 every bit as good as the CR-7 for playback. > The CR-7 gets all the attention due to the recording/calibrating advantage. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question > > > > > > Kannan and all, this is one big question to me ... If CR7 is the > *ultimate* > > in tape playing transparency (forget recording for awhile) then why CR5 > with > > its similar playback circuitry doesn't win the heart of nakkers ? Even > > considering the recording facility, it should be ranked at least above LX5 > > and 680zx, then why this deck never make it to "the list" ? > > > > SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 recording > > > > > > > Sam > > > believe me about this - your DBX routing definitely might be changing > the > > quality of signal. > > > I am not surprised by Stephen' remarks about even signal routing inside > > Nak dragon by plain wires can change the tonality of Sound. So try > removing > > unnecessary signal routing. > > > Ofcourse Stephen' diagnosis is consistantly 100% proves correct and > hope > > you get this CR7 tape skew problem solved soon. > > > > > > I think you might soon win CR5 - I suppose on ebay? > > > Kannan > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:46 AM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 2 17:17:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:17:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip References: <20010802112323.ECA23114A78@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002601c11b66$566d43a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Strange ! Parts list shows TEA0652 for both version before and after 02000 - but both *schematics* clearly write NE652 ! Just took a peek inside deck and saw TEA (s/n 19474 also on zx5 s/n 16541). Good chance you have 4 TEA chips inside there waiting eagerly to be pulled out. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip > My BX300 manual shows NE652( two versions one before certain serial number and other after a serial number!) as the Dolby Chip > and I have to open my Bx300 to see what is inside? > If that is same NE 652 ; I have to hunt for this part > Kannan > > ---Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > >My BX (and also manual) says TEA0652, good luck ! :-) :-) > > > >Cheers, > >SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Thu Aug 2 17:52:15 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] S/R with metal tape References: <20010802140811.NNPP29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <3B69772E.A17E9DFE@snip.net> Do you have a copy of this article available? & could you fax it of the slow (fine) speed. fax no. is 610-993-8285. Thank you. Best, John Paolo Cipollone wrote: > Kannan, > > 60 dB dolby out (A WTD) is a lot? > Check the Dragon on Stereo Review March 1988. > > The figures they obtained were (TDK MA): > > Dolby out 64.6; > B 73.2; > C 79.4. > > Once again there is a nice listening test comparing it to : > Onkyo TA-2090 > Tandberg 3014A > Revox B215 > Harman/Kardon CD 491 > > Anyhow, none of the above could make it to 60 dB with any tape, except the > 491 with TDK MA (60.4 dB). > > Paolo > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Hey guys, > > Does anyone have an Orion Audio Bluebook handy. 2001 edition preferred, > but anything recent should o. > > If so, please e-mail me offlist. > > I've been offered a couple of Klyne preamps so far, and I'm a bit > confused as to their value. > > Please respond as soon as possible. I'd really appreciate some > information so I can make an informed decision. > > Thanks, > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 2 18:18:52 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:18:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: Message-ID: <3B697D6A.635697AB@pacbell.net> Yes, however my turntable is down right now, so I will be making a recording from my mcintosh mcd7000 cd player. please specify type of music. I have some special cd's like telarc and sheffield in various categories. Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/2001 3:17:15 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << I have a recently "Sanktified" 3014 A that works beautifully. It looks so > much like > the 3014 listed on ebay. Does anybody know the major differences between > these two > decks? Thank you. >> > > Hi Brian, > > If I send a blank cassette to you, would you be willing to record something > for me using your Tandberg 3014? I'd like to hear what it sounds like? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 2 19:07:08 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:07:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? References: <3B684D7F.E7DF18BC@pacbell.net> <000701c11b1f$844d9e60$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B6988B8.D8855428@pacbell.net> The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a tandberg 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight as nak 1! However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical quality to it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of components. The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, was perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from whom I purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about this series of Nakamichi stuff? Brian Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Brian, > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > series, 1 > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > like it, but > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > will not last > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Aug 2 19:42:46 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:42:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dragon eq question Message-ID: Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the story on the two eq settings...120 and 70? At 120, everything sounds brighter and hissier...at 70, things are more muddled but sound 'warmer'? I recorded on a Maxell II-S metal tape and the manual said to use the 70 setting. Do you playback at 70 of course? I am just looking for some explanation as to what this all does. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Aug 2 19:50:08 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:50:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> So you believe it is still a good pre-amp....the thing here is that this guy here in Caracas I guess is trying to sell it....and asking something around US$500. Is it a good price??? Isy Stephen Sank wrote: > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or more > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman preamp(at > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good unit). > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was $2500 > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp Mac > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but for > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > Isy! > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a > while. > > > > Marc > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > bass was specially robust. > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > Thanks a lot > > Isy > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 2 20:33:12 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:33:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <3B699CE1.C3E4DD21@pacbell.net> browse ebay for current or recent c33 solds and/or go here to read specs http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm Brian Isy Fidelman wrote: > So you believe it is still a good pre-amp....the thing here is that this guy here in > Caracas I guess is trying to sell it....and asking something around US$500. > Is it a good price??? > > Isy > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or more > > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman preamp(at > > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good unit). > > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was $2500 > > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp Mac > > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but for > > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > To: ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > > Isy! > > > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a > > while. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > > bass was specially robust. > > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > > Thanks a lot > > > Isy > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 2 21:59:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:59:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip References: <20010802112323.ECA23114A78@webmail.vsnl.com> <002601c11b66$566d43a0$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B69B11F.7BE25F46@concentric.net> Most of the time, prefix letters in IC designations only refer to point of manufacture. ICs with different prefixes are often the same chip (even, made from copy of the same mask). It looks like the NE652 and the TEA0652 are the same chip. Differences between them would be of the same order as differences between two NE562s or two TEA0562s. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Strange ! Parts list shows TEA0652 for both version before and after > 02000 - but both *schematics* clearly write NE652 ! Just took a peek inside > deck and saw TEA (s/n 19474 also on zx5 s/n 16541). Good chance you have 4 > TEA chips inside there waiting eagerly to be pulled out. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: dragon's dolby chip > > > My BX300 manual shows NE652( two versions one before certain serial number > and other after a serial number!) as the Dolby Chip > > and I have to open my Bx300 to see what is inside? > > If that is same NE 652 ; I have to hunt for this part > > Kannan > > > > ---Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > To: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > >My BX (and also manual) says TEA0652, good luck ! :-) :-) > > > > > >Cheers, > > >SM > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Thu Aug 2 22:01:15 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:01:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Articles... Message-ID: <20010802195939.BVIV29014.fep43-svc.tin.it@juqcci> John, I have the original issue. Actually I have a large collection of issues dating back to 1973 (when I bought my first - I was very young :-)), mostly concerning tape decks (the most interesting digital ones too). Anyhow I never bought a scanner and I'll have to use a friend's and see what comes out. I'll take the time to do this. However, the Dragon was the best sounding of the whole bunch, with the Revox a close second. Interestingly, as I have found it mentioned here lately, "...the Tandberg deck was not faulty in any respect: its imaging was just not quite as sharp, the 'air' around its instruments not quite as clear as with the Nakamichi Dragon and the Revox B215". Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 2 22:21:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:21:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon eq question References: Message-ID: <3B69B664.B104E2EA@concentric.net> Alex Cagann wrote: > > Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the story on the two eq > settings...120 and 70? At 120, everything sounds brighter and hissier...at > 70, things are more muddled but sound 'warmer'? I recorded on a Maxell II-S > metal tape and the manual said to use the 70 setting. Do you playback at 70 > of course? I am just looking for some explanation as to what this all does. > > Alex Cagann To achieve best noise performance, tapes are recorded with elevated high frequencies. The same frequencies are then attenuated in playback, such that the overall response is flat. This is known as 'REC/PB equalization'. The characteristics of the record and PB equalization filters (which must be equal, but opposite) are determined by the 'time constants' of the filters. Different tape formulations will benefit from different equalization time constants. Two are standardized: 120uS (120 micro seconds) for type I tape and 70uS for types II and IV). Some non-standard tapes will be marked as type II that requires 120uS. Because of this, some decks allow equalization selection separately from tape type selection. For best performance, tapes should be recorded and played back with the same equalization setting -- preferably, the correct one for the tape. Doing otherwise will make the tape sound exceedingly bright (or dull), overly distorted and just plain bad. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 22:48:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:48:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 1:34:35 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam believe me about this - your DBX routing definitely might be changing the quality of signal. I am not surprised by Stephen' remarks about even signal routing inside Nak dragon by plain wires can change the tonality of Sound. So try removing unnecessary signal routing. Ofcourse Stephen' diagnosis is consistantly 100% proves correct and hope you get this CR7 tape skew problem solved soon. I think you might soon win CR5 - I suppose on ebay? Kannan >> Hi Kannan, I removed the DBX route selector from the source and now have my CR-7 connected directly to my receiver. To the untrained ear, there is no difference. But for most in this group you can hear a slight difference, slight but there. I can only describe as a "cleaner" and maybe a tad bit brighter. But again, you have to listen for these nuances and use headphones as they are very slight. I have a report for you Kannan - I had a new TDK SM-X lying around the house that I had purchased last year some time (maybe longer). I needed a good quality cassette in a strange time allocation for a voice-over/part-time radio opportunity I was applying for. I found these SM-X's in my local Guitar Center in 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 60, and 90 minute lengths. I purchased a 90 minute to have on-hand and last night I created a compilation from CD sources. I found the SM-X to be well built (screws, hard shell, some weight to it, reminded me of the Maxell XL-II). Very consistent, clean, true to the source material, no wavering or bias issues (my tape skewing). I pleasantly surprised. Since you like TDK I thought I'd share that with you. We talked about this tape some time ago and if I remember the conclusion was that it was a SA-X in a different wrapper. I would recommend it to this group if they all perform as well as this one has. It's official name is "TDK Pro logo" byline is "professional multitrack studio master SM-X." It is a type II cassette. Again, I think your point regarding tapes in India vs. US and patches is right on. It all depends on where they are manufactured and when. So there such things as "bad" batches. Has anyone else on this list used the TDK SM-X? If yes, what type of results did you have with this blank cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 22:56:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:56:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 recording ...CR5 question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 2:25:58 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Kannan and all, this is one big question to me ... If CR7 is the *ultimate* in tape playing transparency (forget recording for awhile) then why CR5 with its similar playback circuitry doesn't win the heart of nakkers ? Even considering the recording facility, it should be ranked at least above LX5 and 680zx, then why this deck never make it to "the list" ? SM >> Hi Salim, I have found that the CR-5 is well received. I understand some have been choosing the CR-4 over it as your main deck as the CR-4 features tape calibration where the CR-5 does not. The CR-5 enjoys the same harmonics as the CR-7 minus the auto-calibration and azimuth control. Considering the playback of the CR-7, I would be very happy with a CR-5 to compliment my CR-7 and to replace my BX-150. (Unfortunately, the BX-150 doesn't have the playback of the CR-7 and I lose some of the harmonics when dubbing). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 22:58:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:58:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: <12d.253a773.289b18f2@aol.com> Thanks Marc. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 23:01:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:01:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... Message-ID: <12c.253ce70.289b19b6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2001 3:42:00 AM Central Daylight Time, Modernizy at netscape.net writes: << >Paolo >Can we get a scanned copy of this Cr7 test report -"Suono n.210 (November 1990" BTW, I have some Xerox copies of cassette decks reviews from Italian audio magazines including Nak CR-7E (AUDIOreview n.49, aprile 1986), ZX-7 (SUONO N 133, Maggio 1984), Revox B-710 Mk.II (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Revox B-215 (AUDIOreview n. 43, ottobre 1985), Tandberg 3014 (AUDIOreview n.38, aprile 1985), TEAC Z-5000 (SUONO N 127, Novembre 1983), Aiwa AD-F990 (SUONO N. 127, Novembre 1983), Kyocera D-601 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Pioneer CT-A9 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Yamaha K-2000 (SUONO N. 133, Maggio 1984), Akai GX-F91 (SUONO N. 120, Marzo 1983), Technics RS-B905 (AUDIOreview n. 63, luglio/agosto 1987) & Kenwood KX-880G (AUDIOreview n. 49, aprile 1986). I'm not fluent in Italian, but as it seems to me these reviews are very thorough. If anybody wants to do anything with them (scanning, posting), please contact me. Kannan, I looked through the AUDIOreview test of CR-7, regarding S/N they give the following figures: Rapporto segnale/rumore (nastro di riferimento tipo II) no dolby (sinistro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) no dolby (destro): 55 dB (non pes.)/59 dB (pesato) dolby B (sinistro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby B (destro): 61.5 dB (non pes.)/68.5 dB (pesato) dolby C (sinistro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) dolby C (destro): 64.5 dB (non pes.)/75 dB (pesato) Unfortunately, no comments on terms in brackets. Maybe someone from Italian side will have a word. Regards, Nicholas. >> If anyone is interested, I have a translation software package that can translate these reports. If we can get them into a MS Word document I'm sure I can translate them. Keep in mind that the translation will not be perfect, but we could read these reports. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 23:23:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:23:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 12:02:28 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a tandberg 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight as nak 1! However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical quality to it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of components. The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, was perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from whom I purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about this series of Nakamichi stuff? Brian >> I've never seen or heard of this series until now. Are there any webpages with pictures? Do the decks look like the DR-series? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 2 23:26:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:26:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] dragon eq question Message-ID: <85.de104f5.289b1f6f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2001 12:44:19 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the story on the two eq settings...120 and 70? At 120, everything sounds brighter and hissier...at 70, things are more muddled but sound 'warmer'? I recorded on a Maxell II-S metal tape and the manual said to use the 70 setting. Do you playback at 70 of course? I am just looking for some explanation as to what this all does. Alex Cagann >> Hi Alex, With the exception of normal formulated cassettes, you should record and playback using the 70 setting for both Type II and Type IV cassettes. I don't know what type of deck you're using, but my old BX-150 needs a calibration or one of the circuits have blown out as for a long time the 120 setting was the bright and clean setting regardless of tape type. However, now the 70 setting is the only one I can use as the 120 is horrible. Again, my BX-150 has not been serviced in 14 years (heads kept clean) and I'm sure a little tender loving care would correct this problem. I hope this helps. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Aug 2 23:42:43 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:42:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1-3 line. The ugliest of all ... In-Reply-To: <3B6988B8.D8855428@pacbell.net> Message-ID: I feel that Cassette Deck 1, 1.5, 2. etc were the most ugly, plastic looking components. I think that this was when Nak management has changes and they thought that slapping Nak name on some ugly plastic justify the price. They were wrong, and quickly came up with the DR series. I do feel that Cassette Deck 1, with its manual playback adjustment is a great feature. My problem is that none of these units would be accepted from the estetics looks in my rack. They look plain cheap. If they look cheap, I wonder what other shortcuts Nakamichi took from the engineering and quality control perspective ? Many of us are collectors. We talk about ZX9, CR7, ZX682. Many of us still record off mid-fi CD players. The decks we want to have need to have collectors value. My opinion is that the Cassette Deck 1-3 series has the lowest collector items coefficient. I would take 582Z over any CD 1-3, even though it is 10 years older. OK, flame me, please. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 12:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a tandberg 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight as nak 1! However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical quality to it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of components. The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, was perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from whom I purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about this series of Nakamichi stuff? Brian Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Brian, > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > series, 1 > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > like it, but > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > will not last > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If it's a dressed-up SA-X, then the batch when this cassette was made is far superior to the batch of the latest SA-X's I purchased. The final test will be my car, but so far it sounds great on everything I've played it on including my BX-150. Very consistent performance, behaves like the Maxell XL-II. If you find one in your area, check it out. It would be interesting to learn if you have the same experience. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 00:35:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:35:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question Message-ID: <124.2a0ee81.289b2f99@aol.com> Hi, I have been going through my old cassettes and ran across a few "TDK CD Power" cassettes and wanted to ask this group their experience with them, especially in relationship to the CR-7. Is this the SA-90 in another package? Thank you in advance for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 02:04:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:04:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <06c101c11baf$d0a0a420$823442cf@sank1> $500 is about $300-400 lower than current market value on a C33. $500 lower if it has the optional wood cabinet in nice shape. I'd say snatch it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > So you believe it is still a good pre-amp....the thing here is that this guy here in > Caracas I guess is trying to sell it....and asking something around US$500. > Is it a good price??? > > Isy > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or more > > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman preamp(at > > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good unit). > > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was $2500 > > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp Mac > > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but for > > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > To: ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > > Isy! > > > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's been a > > while. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > > bass was specially robust. > > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > > Thanks a lot > > > Isy > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 02:10:49 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:10:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question In-Reply-To: <124.2a0ee81.289b2f99@aol.com> Message-ID: I look at TDK CD Power and similar tapes as "Slim Shady" generation of tapes. They boost lows and highs, to make the sound powerful and 'tskkk' and 'booom' like to compensate for poor recording and playback equipment. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 5:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question Hi, I have been going through my old cassettes and ran across a few "TDK CD Power" cassettes and wanted to ask this group their experience with them, especially in relationship to the CR-7. Is this the SA-90 in another package? Thank you in advance for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 02:12:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:12:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 7:10:09 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << I look at TDK CD Power and similar tapes as "Slim Shady" generation of tapes. They boost lows and highs, to make the sound powerful and 'tskkk' and 'booom' like to compensate for poor recording and playback equipment. Stan >> Slim Shady huh? Thanks, I'll steer clear of them. Was thinking of recording over an old one I no longer use, but I have plenty of better tapes to use. Was it you that mentioned having good results with the Fuji Metal using the CR-7? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 02:31:30 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:31:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was the one who said that I had good luck with FUJI Z-Metal. Unfortunately, I do not have CR-7, all I have is CR4 (and hope to have one day ZX9). For critical recordings I use CR4 and either Maxell MX-S or for less critical Maxell XL-II, or various TDK tapes. For car, on my 2000 Maxima SE Bose system, the Nak is worse, and I use my JVC TD-V66 with FUJI Z-Metal - great recordings on this deck (hey, 20-21,000 +/- 3dB and 3 DISCRETE heads). Atcually, it is not the Nak but Clarion / Bose system, whose head is more in sync with the JVC. By the way, I am a NAK collector due to nostalgia. Considering my Adcom 565/5500 and Mirage Speakers, with SONY XA-20ES CD, I do not expect to see much improvement going to CR7, or ZX9, yet, .... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 7:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question In a message dated 8/2/2001 7:10:09 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << I look at TDK CD Power and similar tapes as "Slim Shady" generation of tapes. They boost lows and highs, to make the sound powerful and 'tskkk' and 'booom' like to compensate for poor recording and playback equipment. Stan >> Slim Shady huh? Thanks, I'll steer clear of them. Was thinking of recording over an old one I no longer use, but I have plenty of better tapes to use. Was it you that mentioned having good results with the Fuji Metal using the CR-7? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 02:30:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:30:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Excel Spreadsheet to determine speaker placement Message-ID: <6c.ddd99bf.289b4aaf@aol.com> Enjoy! http://www.guidetohometheater.com/downloads/frequency-response.xls ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 02:43:21 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:43:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The TDK SM-X professional studio master In-Reply-To: <12c.253ce79.289b262e@aol.com> Message-ID: Sam - on CR4, SM-X Pro needs quite a bit different calibration settings than XL-II. I can calibrate the tapes to be 'perfect', yet, I prefer the sound of SM-X Pro. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 4:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The TDK SM-X professional studio master Hi All, I've been listening to the compilation recording I made using the TDK SM-X while going through email. (Yes, I had that much mail to go through) And, I wanted to report that it sounds great. If it's a dressed-up SA-X, then the batch when this cassette was made is far superior to the batch of the latest SA-X's I purchased. The final test will be my car, but so far it sounds great on everything I've played it on including my BX-150. Very consistent performance, behaves like the Maxell XL-II. If you find one in your area, check it out. It would be interesting to learn if you have the same experience. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 02:47:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:47:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1-3 line. The ugliest of all ... References: Message-ID: <071201c11bb5$d2c45fc0$823442cf@sank1> The whole series that went along with Cass Deck 1/2/3 were hard to sell due to looking "cheap", despite the fact that they weren't. I think that model year qualified as a disaster for Nak, and I think contributed hugely to their financial troubles. But it wasn't bad stuff, especially the CD changers, which were the best they have yet made. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1-3 line. The ugliest of all ... > I feel that Cassette Deck 1, 1.5, 2. etc were the most ugly, plastic looking > components. I think that this was when Nak management has changes and they > thought that slapping Nak name on some ugly plastic justify the price. They > were wrong, and quickly came up with the DR series. > > I do feel that Cassette Deck 1, with its manual playback adjustment is a > great feature. My problem is that none of these units would be accepted from > the estetics looks in my rack. They look plain cheap. If they look cheap, I > wonder what other shortcuts Nakamichi took from the engineering and quality > control perspective ? > > Many of us are collectors. We talk about ZX9, CR7, ZX682. Many of us still > record off mid-fi CD players. The decks we want to have need to have > collectors value. My opinion is that the Cassette Deck 1-3 series has the > lowest collector items coefficient. I would take 582Z over any CD 1-3, even > though it is 10 years older. > > OK, flame me, please. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 12:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than > $200? > > > The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a > tandberg > 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight > as nak 1! > However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical > quality to > it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. > > The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the > clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of > components. > The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, > was > perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different > customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from > whom I > purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about > this series > of Nakamichi stuff? > > Brian > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Hi Brian, > > > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > > series, 1 > > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > > like it, but > > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > > will not last > > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 02:43:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:43:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question Message-ID: <125.2a0da96.289b4dc1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2001 7:31:29 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << I was the one who said that I had good luck with FUJI Z-Metal. Unfortunately, I do not have CR-7, all I have is CR4 (and hope to have one day ZX9). For critical recordings I use CR4 and either Maxell MX-S or for less critical Maxell XL-II, or various TDK tapes. For car, on my 2000 Maxima SE Bose system, the Nak is worse, and I use my JVC TD-V66 with FUJI Z-Metal - great recordings on this deck (hey, 20-21,000 +/- 3dB and 3 DISCRETE heads). Atcually, it is not the Nak but Clarion / Bose system, whose head is more in sync with the JVC. By the way, I am a NAK collector due to nostalgia. Considering my Adcom 565/5500 and Mirage Speakers, with SONY XA-20ES CD, I do not expect to see much improvement going to CR7, or ZX9, yet, .... Stan >> Thanks Stan. Believe it or not, I've never used the Fuji Z-Metals before. I've used their Type II's in the past. I've had wonderful results with my CR-7 and the Maxell XL-II. We'll see, I'll have to at least try them out. I would like to record on this Sony ES Metal I keep reading about in NakTalk. However, looks like it is only available in Asia. -Sam PS We're neighbors... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 02:46:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:46:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The TDK SM-X professional studio master Message-ID: <97.1925a915.289b4e71@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2001 7:42:45 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << Sam - on CR4, SM-X Pro needs quite a bit different calibration settings than XL-II. I can calibrate the tapes to be 'perfect', yet, I prefer the sound of SM-X Pro. Stan >> That's interesting. The calibration on the CR-7 is automatic and I can't make any changes. I was quite surprised with the results using this cassette. I didn't quite follow you, despite having to change the calibration settings, you prefer the sound of the SM-X Pro over the Maxell XL-II? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 03:52:04 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:52:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dvd player? Message-ID: I didn't know they made one. Pretty neat. Also, thanks to those that responded to my dragon eq question. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260254453 Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 04:32:07 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:32:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Museatex cd transport Message-ID: I reckon this is a darned good transport? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261246612 Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 04:36:39 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anybody know what this is? In-Reply-To: <32900.213.84.12.220.996607291.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20010803023639.72525.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Does anybody know what this auction is for? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261441712 I can't figure it out. I'm sure with the collective knowledge of all the Naktalk'er someone must know. If you haven't guess already, it's my auction, but, I haven't a clue what this board is for. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 04:51:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:51:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Museatex cd transport References: Message-ID: <078301c11bc7$28416220$823442cf@sank1> In my opinion, it's the best in the world. Reliable as hell, too. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Museatex cd transport > I reckon this is a darned good transport? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261246612 > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Aug 3 05:23:34 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:23:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 S/N ratio Message-ID: <6E2B516D.57DD0353.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> >Nicholas, > >sinistro=left, destro=right, non pes.=unwtd, pesato=wtd >nastro di riferimento tipo II is the IEC II Basf chrome reference tape. > Thanks, Paolo. That's great having in this group people from all over the world! Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Aug 3 05:44:31 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:44:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... Message-ID: <3AC70807.2DA6921C.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> >If anyone is interested, I have a translation software package that can >translate these reports. If we can get them into a MS Word document I'm sure >I can translate them. Keep in mind that the translation will not be perfect, >but we could read these reports. > >-Sam Thanks, Sam. Unfortunately I do not have a scanner at home, but in a week when I'm back to work I'll try to scan and recognise the review of CR-7, than mail it to you as a Word'97 file. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Aug 3 05:58:06 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> <06c101c11baf$d0a0a420$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B6A214E.11332D08@telcel.net.ve> is it better than the Nakamichi CA-7A which I am actually using??? Stephen Sank wrote: > $500 is about $300-400 lower than current market value on a C33. $500 lower > if it has the optional wood cabinet in nice shape. I'd say snatch it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > So you believe it is still a good pre-amp....the thing here is that this > guy here in > > Caracas I guess is trying to sell it....and asking something around > US$500. > > Is it a good price??? > > > > Isy > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or > more > > > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman > preamp(at > > > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good > unit). > > > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > > > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was > $2500 > > > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp > Mac > > > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > > > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but > for > > > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > > > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > > > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > > > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > > > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > > To: ; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > > > > Isy! > > > > > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's > been a > > > while. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > > > bass was specially robust. > > > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 3 06:09:29 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:39:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording Message-ID: <20010803040929.B3D001149C2@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 3 06:31:23 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:01:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <20010803043123.06425114925@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 3 06:37:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:37:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1-3 line. The ugliest of all ... Message-ID: <20010803043715.ELAY1871.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Stan, No flame here ... we come in peace :-) ... you're right that Cass Deck design / quality is poor with fixed bottom panel -> you'd have to get the whole pcb out to replace one small part (don't know about DRs) and hard-to-press-correctly buttons. Big chance QC was down too ! Mine got misthreaded screws (fastened not in 'tangent' contact) and burnt / weld marks on inside plate. Plus factors are much more simple remote connections using stereo minijack (no $235 for *wired* remote), also that handy manual az alignment and slightly added transparency / detail. Also regarding your system, I guess you must've used old naks in good old days, but just in case you haven't ... please audition or get an old 680zx - get new caps - and see if it makes any noticable difference ! In contrary I'd expect the better your system is, the more you will appreciate the difference between these naks. Best regards, Salim SM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:42:43 -0500 From: "Stan Targowski" Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1-3 line. The ugliest of all ... I feel that Cassette Deck 1, 1.5, 2. etc were the most ugly, plastic looking components. I think that this was when Nak management has changes and they thought that slapping Nak name on some ugly plastic justify the price. They were wrong, and quickly came up with the DR series. I do feel that Cassette Deck 1, with its manual playback adjustment is a great feature. My problem is that none of these units would be accepted from the estetics looks in my rack. They look plain cheap. If they look cheap, I wonder what other shortcuts Nakamichi took from the engineering and quality control perspective ? Many of us are collectors. We talk about ZX9, CR7, ZX682. Many of us still record off mid-fi CD players. The decks we want to have need to have collectors value. My opinion is that the Cassette Deck 1-3 series has the lowest collector items coefficient. I would take 582Z over any CD 1-3, even though it is 10 years older. OK, flame me, please. Stan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 12:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a tandberg 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight as nak 1! However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical quality to it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of components. The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, was perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from whom I purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about this series of Nakamichi stuff? Brian Salim Marzuki wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 08:47:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:47:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: About CR7 again... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 10:46:32 PM Central Daylight Time, Modernizy at netscape.net writes: << Unfortunately I do not have a scanner at home, but in a week when I'm back to work I'll try to scan and recognise the review of CR-7, than mail it to you as a Word'97 file. Regards, Nicholas. >> Thank you Nicholas. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:03:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:03:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <118.29c81e5.289ba6da@aol.com> In a message dated 8/2/2001 11:33:57 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam I have mailed another reply to your request for a Dragon recording and part of it relevent to this post. TDK SMX tape seem to be for recording studios - supposed to be ruggedly built to stand multiple recordings as per TDK site with specifications like tensile strength of tape backing and magnetic permeability etc. But the price for Type II tape of 90 minute is steep ( how much did you pay for this tape?) compared TDK SA when I checked it thru internet sometime back. Sometimes I wonder about such claim by manufacturers as they seem more like marketing tricks than truth! Since I found TDK tapes are uniform in quality ; I may believe that this tape should be good. They had something called SMX metal which uses Type IV tape. presently is it available in your store? I have one brand new TDK MAX G tape and its build quality is excellent. I hear that Sony Super metal master is another classic top grade Tape - costing over 15$ a piece ( I would like to have atleast one sample of that tape!) Does any of Naktalker is from japan! ( it is supposed to be available only out there?)and have access to this tape or anybody in our group has this tape? Kannan >> Hi Kannan, It was over a year ago when I purchased that SMX-Pro and don't recall what it cost. I will visit the store where I purchased it and check on the price for you. It was still in it's wrapper. I use to use the TDK MA-XG when I lived in Europe. Not so much for the sound, but because of the uniqueness of its construction and during that time I could purchase them for relatively nothing through the military PX. You could really blast the levels and the copies sounded like CDs. However, over time I am finding my MA-XG recordings are losing their highs and have begun to fade. Maybe they are more sensitive to temperature and climate. They seem to have a shelf life. For those of you who've used TDK MA-XG, are your experiences similar? My MA-XG recordings are at least 12 years old if not older. Also, didn't someone from this list post a message stating that the MA-XG was abrasive? When I returned to the US it would have cost me $12.00 US each from a local audio specialty shop back in 1990 and it simply was not cost effective. Even the dealer who was going to special order them for me told me that I could enjoy the same performance using MA-90s for a fraction of the cost. Regarding the SM-X Pro, I would say the TDK claims of "...supposed to be ruggedly built to stand multiple recordings...with specifications like tensile strength of tape backing and magnetic permeability..." are probably marketing hype. It feels and looks like a regular TDK SA or SA-X 90. Their description is reminiscent of the MA-XGs. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:16:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:16:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - This is one FINE deck! Message-ID: <116.29c46e4.289ba9c7@aol.com> In this day and age of digital recording, what would you do with this unit? Isn't this typical of what is used in recording studio? How does this deck sound? -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260001137 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:20:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:20:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nice ZX-7 images...warning page is slow to load. Message-ID: <8e.193fbd32.289baad7@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260614557 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:29:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:29:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE for sale if anyone is interested... Message-ID: I don't know what shipping would cost, but this is a great buy at this price. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260345332 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:39:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:39:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2001 11:11:26 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam I can record on a Maxell II S and another tape available here ( mostly TDK )! using my Dragon without you ever having to send me a tape. I cannot afford to do this to many people anyway." Thank you, I appreciate your offer and your kindness my brother! "However I can ask you to send me one of your compilation on this SMX Pro tape - as I might just collect that tape for a sample of your creativity." I will be happy to, just need to check on the availability of these cassettes locally... "I can ask you to wait for my brother (Who is coming in Oct 2001 )or somebody else going to US in next couple of months ( from my company) as postal cost may be pretty steep from here! Still let me find out the cost thru our postal system and let you know." Good idea, as unfortunately I am unaware of the cost of shipping to India. I'm sure it is expensive. "Meanwhile let me know your taste of music - I have mostly 70's rock / Jazz and few classical ( western) CD's and I can if you wish Indian classical music ( only tapes and the source may not be great but the music is) - a bit out of total 90 Minutes x2 ! You can send in your tape to my brother in US may be just befor he leaves for India." Ok, just keep me posted of the dates and we can work it out so that we can avoid the heavy shipping charges. How about some of your favorite 70's rock and/or jazz. Tell me more about the classical Indian music you have? Is it available here in the US? Is it available on CD? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 09:41:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:41:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message-ID: <128.26189e9.289baf9c@aol.com> In a message dated 7/30/2001 1:36:50 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Finally recording levels are infact crucial in balancing between noise and distortion. Lower recording levels below 0 dB will be hissy and higher than +7-8 dB definitely will result in audible distortion - ofcourse I found sometimes even + 10dB occasionally had not caused distortion but it is preferable to avoid such extreme levels. Still silent passages can be hissy for head phone listening particularly with loud play back positions. So better to use Dolby C - usefull in classical music recordings bcause large dynamic range requirements with silent passages in between. Kannan >> Thank you Kannan. Yes, your recommendations are right on target. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 3 10:03:17 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:03:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak for sale In-Reply-To: <00e101c11aaf$88698420$77ccb3d1@jen> Message-ID: <3B6AE762.17248.14013D7@localhost> "Jennifer Mandel" wrote: > Hi y'all - > I have a Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer 3-head deck that I'd like to sell. Ohmigod! An actual female! On Naktalk!! Sorry, couldn't resist :-) Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 3 10:04:44 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:04:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] popping sound in NR 100(discovery) In-Reply-To: <020201c114fe$6670c600$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B6AE7BA.15094.1416ADB@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > Sounds like your LX-3 is behaving a bit abnormally. I'd keep an eye on it. > Watch for it getting worse. Uh-oh. I will. Thanks Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Fri Aug 3 10:26:16 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:26:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 700 ZXE for sale if anyone is interested... Message-ID: <200108030826.f738QG600839@mailgate3.cinetic.de> The shipping costs for sending such a piece from Germany vary a little bit. Sending by ship (duration about 6 weeks as I did with my Dragon ) will cost about 50 U$ Sending it by air mail will be much more expensive - expect between 100 and 150 U$ Keep in mind that it will be a good thing to TRIPLE BOX the unit which will result in a very large package. When I sent my Dragon to be "sanktified" the outer box (a brand new box from a PC) was so heavily damaged that it couldn' be reused for sending the Dragon back to me Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Jetzt und nur hier Ihr original PREMIERE WORLD SportPaket plus 100 Euro ExtraPrämie: http://premiere.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 3 10:28:34 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:28:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK Tape Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B6AED52.25251.15747AC@localhost> targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > I look at TDK CD Power and similar tapes as "Slim Shady" generation of > tapes. I've used some Japan-made TDK CD Walker type II tapes last year and they're best avoided. Flat [lifeless] response and not at all suited for repeated recordings, which is what its purpose seems to be. Its saving grace is the reasonably strong tape base, but it all sums up to nothing. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 10:40:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:40:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> <06c101c11baf$d0a0a420$823442cf@sank1> <3B6A214E.11332D08@telcel.net.ve> Message-ID: <07b301c11bf7$f6826fa0$823442cf@sank1> You're using a CA-7A? Ouch! Yes, both the C33 & Apt preamps are far better than the CA-7A. The CA-7A is gorgeous both inside & out, but dreadful sounding. Really hurt sales of the superb PA-5/7 amps is was almost always demo'd with. I'm quite sure your jaw will drop when you listen to the Mac. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > is it better than the Nakamichi CA-7A which I am actually using??? > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > $500 is about $300-400 lower than current market value on a C33. $500 lower > > if it has the optional wood cabinet in nice shape. I'd say snatch it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Isy Fidelman" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > > So you believe it is still a good pre-amp....the thing here is that this > > guy here in > > > Caracas I guess is trying to sell it....and asking something around > > US$500. > > > Is it a good price??? > > > > > > Isy > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > The last time I listened to a McIntosh C33 seriously was about ten or > > more > > > > years ago, when a customer asked to hear it against the Apt Holman > > preamp(at > > > > the time, one of the best ss preamps around, and still a very good > > unit). > > > > With CD, the C33 smoked the Apt. On phono, the Apt smoked the C33. Tom > > > > Holman was one hell of a good ss phono stage designer. The C33 was > > $2500 > > > > retail, vs the Apt's $699. I consider the C33 to be the best ss preamp > > Mac > > > > ever made before coming out with the C100 in the last few years. > > > > Note to preamp bargain hunters: The Apt Holman had slipped my mind, but > > for > > > > about $300 average used, it's a damn good piece. The phono stage, with > > > > perhaps a bit of capacitor upgrading, good easily compete with the best > > > > Spectral. Also, it has a healthy number of inputs. Two tape loops, if > > > > memory serves, plus a processor loop. And superbly designed tone > > > > controls(yes, I said tone controls). > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark Hugo" > > > > To: ; > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:33 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > > > > > > > Isy! > > > > > > > > > > Delighted you're still with us, unless I've missed something. it's > > been a > > > > while. > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 08/01/01 10:01PM >>> > > > > > Today I had the opportunity to try a McIntosh C-33 > > > > > preamplifier....It sounded very good...very clean and the sound of the > > > > > bass was specially robust. > > > > > Any of you can tell me more about this one??? > > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 10:45:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:45:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes References: <118.29c81e5.289ba6da@aol.com> Message-ID: <07c301c11bf8$af6a4060$823442cf@sank1> At www.protape.com, TDK SMX-90 are $2.60 each when ordered 10 at a time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes > In a message dated 8/2/2001 11:33:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Sam > I have mailed another reply to your request for a Dragon recording and > part of it relevent to this post. > TDK SMX tape seem to be for recording studios - supposed to be ruggedly > built to stand multiple recordings as per TDK site with specifications like > tensile strength of tape backing and magnetic permeability etc. But the price > for Type II tape of 90 minute is steep ( how much did you pay for this tape?) > compared TDK SA when I checked it thru internet sometime back. Sometimes I > wonder about such claim by manufacturers as they seem more like marketing > tricks than truth! > Since I found TDK tapes are uniform in quality ; I may believe that this > tape should be good. They had something called SMX metal which uses Type IV > tape. presently is it available in your store? > > I have one brand new TDK MAX G tape and its build quality is excellent. I > hear that Sony Super metal master is another classic top grade Tape - costing > over 15$ a piece > ( I would like to have atleast one sample of that tape!) > Does any of Naktalker is from japan! ( it is supposed to be available only > out there?)and have access to this tape or anybody in our group has this tape? > Kannan > >> > > Hi Kannan, > > It was over a year ago when I purchased that SMX-Pro and don't recall what it > cost. I will visit the store where I purchased it and check on the price for > you. It was still in it's wrapper. > > I use to use the TDK MA-XG when I lived in Europe. Not so much for the > sound, but because of the uniqueness of its construction and during that time > I could purchase them for relatively nothing through the military PX. You > could really blast the levels and the copies sounded like CDs. However, over > time I am finding my MA-XG recordings are losing their highs and have begun > to fade. Maybe they are more sensitive to temperature and climate. They > seem to have a shelf life. For those of you who've used TDK MA-XG, are your > experiences similar? My MA-XG recordings are at least 12 years old if not > older. Also, didn't someone from this list post a message stating that the > MA-XG was abrasive? When I returned to the US it would have cost me $12.00 > US each from a local audio specialty shop back in 1990 and it simply was not > cost effective. Even the dealer who was going to special order them for me > told me that I could enjoy the same performance using MA-90s for a fraction > of the cost. > > Regarding the SM-X Pro, I would say the TDK claims of "...supposed to be > ruggedly built to stand multiple recordings...with specifications like > tensile strength of tape backing and magnetic permeability..." are probably > marketing hype. It feels and looks like a regular TDK SA or SA-X 90. Their > description is reminiscent of the MA-XGs. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 10:47:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 02:47:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak for sale References: <3B6AE762.17248.14013D7@localhost> Message-ID: <07d701c11bf8$ff754780$823442cf@sank1> Don't get your hopes up, Jason. It's probably just a guy using his wife's email. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak for sale > > "Jennifer Mandel" wrote: > > Hi y'all - > > I have a Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer 3-head deck that I'd like to sell. > > Ohmigod! An actual female! On Naktalk!! > > > Sorry, couldn't resist :-) > > Cheers > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 3 10:51:49 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:51:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell In-Reply-To: References: <42.185cfaf4.2898df37@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B6AF2C7.631.16C97F8@localhost> Stan Targowski wrote: > > I also found FUJI Z-Metal to be a great tape. Have you tried its chrome equivalent? There was a tiny flood of them here in Crazy Clark shops in Brisbane, AU and I stockpiled on ten samples. They're made in Japan, finished in black, and come in a slimline matte black case. The fellers can handle quite a bit of headroom. I peaked my recordings at +6 dB [hard rock: "Pull" by Winger, remember them?] and it held together just fine, no distortion. The ribbon is also faily strong. Its single weakness is the lack of screws :-( > What I noticed thoughis, that Maxell and TDK tapes differ around the world. > Mainstream TDK cassettes, including MA, purchased in the US have cheapper > looking plastic, no screws, etc. The tapes I bought in France and in Poland, > look more 'substantial', have the screws, etc. TDKs sold in Australia are equally poor WRT quality. It seems the MA-XG is the sole model made in Japan; everything else is from some other East Asian country, MA included. Their quality has yet to catch up to old Japanese standards - flimsier shells, inferior lettering pigment, no screws, smaller friction sheets, generic notes liners [for writing content details], and so on. Interestingly, every tape I bought that was made in France/Italy has proven utterly horrible. On the other hand, they were all Sonys... Also - Maxell's UR [type I] tapes were previously coming in from the UK, and just as they had attained their Japanese counterpart's stellar standards, they shifted sourcing to Indonesia. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 3 11:22:35 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:22:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak for sale In-Reply-To: <07d701c11bf8$ff754780$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B6AF9F8.14769.150C78@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > Don't get your hopes up, Jason. It's probably just a guy using his wife's > email. True. But that's not stopping me from believing there's at least one female Nakfan on the face of this planet. Now to find her... *sigh* Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 3 12:38:30 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:08:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 S/N ratio Message-ID: <20010803103830.372D71149AA@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 3 15:18:20 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:18:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack Message-ID: <008c01c11c1e$c86a70a0$26031fac@brianm> A couple days ago headphones were discussed. I did not keep those messages. After reading an article last night, I now have interest in headphones. Could someone either pass along those e-mails if they still have them or could those of you that posted your thoughts on what headphones were a good buy please repost your favorites and why? I would greatly appreciate it. I am not familiar with the process of using a headphone amp. It appears from pictures to have RCA jacks, where I assume you would run a source to, like a CD player, then you plug your phones into the amp. Am I correct? If not using a headphone amp, the only jack I have is on my CR-7A. Any thoughts as to the quality of this jack? Also, if I set my CR-7A to source, I assume I can hear another source, just using the CR-7a to pass through so I can use it's jack?? What about extensions to sit far away, do they degrade from the sound much. Thanks in advance!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcipollone at tin.it Fri Aug 3 16:17:44 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:17:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Used equipment in Italy (Pescara) Message-ID: <20010803141917.RXRV29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Kannan, take a look at this site. http://www.hifidiprinzio.it/cgi-bin/w3-msql/catalogo/listino_tutto.html this is the used equipment inventory they carry. After that take a look at the home page, too. The store is located in the Pescara area (my town). My CR7 and other parts of my equipment were bought there. BTW I'm in the center of Italy, while Milan is in the north (about 500 kms away). And how can I get those reviews you speak of? Thanks in advance Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 3 16:30:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:30:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dvd player? References: Message-ID: <000001c11c2d$0d81c900$41289bca@smarzuki> Don't know if it's true but those crazy reviews said dvd10 is sourced from Akai ... "This AKAI sourced machine had great potential had it not been for the glitches. " http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/DVD/product_4857.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dvd player? > I didn't know they made one. Pretty neat. Also, thanks to those that > responded to my dragon eq question. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260254453 > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 3 17:16:46 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:16:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 References: <118.29c81e5.289ba6da@aol.com> <07c301c11bf8$af6a4060$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004501c11c2f$506017c0$619c42d8@idirect.com> Anyone need an MR-2? It's listed under "Nakamich" on E-bay, still at the opening bid ($87.00) with just one bidder. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1259922937 Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 3 17:45:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:45:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack References: <008c01c11c1e$c86a70a0$26031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B6AC711.CA52393B@concentric.net> > Brian Miller wrote: > > A couple days ago headphones were discussed. I did not > keep those messages. After reading an article last night, > I now have interest in headphones. Could someone either > pass along those e-mails if they still have them or could > those of you that posted your thoughts on what headphones > were a good buy please repost your favorites and why? I > would greatly appreciate it. I mentioned I have been using Sony MDR-V6 headphones, bought many years ago for about $80. I believe the price today is similar. These are not the best in the world, but very satisfying for the price. Nakamichi SP-7 were just sold on ebay for $77.03. These were highly thought of when new -- I have no idea what they sound like today. (I intended to bid, but set my limit at 50 bucks. I'm sure true Nakamichi aficionados would say I was crazy to miss the opportunity :-) ). > I am not familiar with the process of using a headphone > amp. It appears from pictures to have RCA jacks, where I > assume you would run a source to, like a CD player, then > you plug your phones into the amp. Am I correct? Yes. > If not using a headphone amp, the only jack I have is on > my CR-7A. Any thoughts as to the quality of this jack? > Also, if I set my CR-7A to source, I assume I can hear > another source, just using the CR-7a to pass through so I > can use it's jack?? That's correct. Sound deterioration through the CR-7 is minimal to non-existent (audible only on some program material and only on very careful A - B comparisons. For this, you do not need a headphone amp -- the CR-7 contains it's own. > What about extensions to sit far away, do they degrade > from the sound much. Headphones have 25 to 600 ohm impedance. The cable is by no means as critical as speaker cable. I have a 25 ft. coiled extension cord and never noticed a difference when using it. -- Ron > Thanks in advance!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > and the life. No one comes to the Father except through > Me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 3 18:48:49 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:48:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the phone. Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording sessions to digital MP3. But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one type of systems. I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 20:15:47 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:15:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk References: Message-ID: <3B6AEA53.5A69E3B6@yahoo.com> A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls interested in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. See Ya Javier Roland Alford wrote: > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the > phone. > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording > sessions to digital MP3. > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > type of systems. > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 20:32:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:44:24 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << At www.protape.com, TDK SMX-90 are $2.60 each when ordered 10 at a time. >> Hi Stephen, Do you have any experience with these tapes? Do you know if there is anything about them that is different from the SA 90 or SA-X 90? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 20:34:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:34:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <12e.2667c56.289c48d2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:54:59 AM Central Daylight Time, s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: << Stan Targowski wrote: > > I also found FUJI Z-Metal to be a great tape. Have you tried its chrome equivalent? There was a tiny flood of them here in Crazy Clark shops in Brisbane, AU and I stockpiled on ten samples. They're made in Japan, finished in black, and come in a slimline matte black case. The fellers can handle quite a bit of headroom. I peaked my recordings at +6 dB [hard rock: "Pull" by Winger, remember them?] and it held together just fine, no distortion. The ribbon is also faily strong. Its single weakness is the lack of screws :-( > What I noticed thoughis, that Maxell and TDK tapes differ around the world. > Mainstream TDK cassettes, including MA, purchased in the US have cheapper > looking plastic, no screws, etc. The tapes I bought in France and in Poland, > look more 'substantial', have the screws, etc. TDKs sold in Australia are equally poor WRT quality. It seems the MA-XG is the sole model made in Japan; everything else is from some other East Asian country, MA included. Their quality has yet to catch up to old Japanese standards - flimsier shells, inferior lettering pigment, no screws, smaller friction sheets, generic notes liners [for writing content details], and so on. Interestingly, every tape I bought that was made in France/Italy has proven utterly horrible. On the other hand, they were all Sonys... Also - Maxell's UR [type I] tapes were previously coming in from the UK, and just as they had attained their Japanese counterpart's stellar standards, they shifted sourcing to Indonesia. Jason >> Thanks Jason. Can you purchase the Sony Metal ES in AU? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 20:37:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:37:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7 S/N ratio Message-ID: <1e.1976ac4a.289c4960@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 5:41:07 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Interestingly we have a sister company in Italy and our software pofessionals are working in around Milan through this company! >> Hey Kannan, I was laid off with the "dot-bomb" here in the US. Working in Milan, sound very interesting, are they hirin? (smile). It would be a sacrifie to move and work in Milian, but it is one I would be willing to make for the good of the company. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 20:44:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:44:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK tape specs Message-ID: <31.189bc3de.289c4b06@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 7:52:29 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << TDK is using special TDK recorder ( who made these?) to establish these results - bias noise /HF over load/ 315 Hz overload / 0 VU distortion etc. comparing the results with ref tape. >> If I'm not mistaken, doesn't TDK have a relationship with TEAC/Tascam? I understand (and please feel free to correct my statement) that TDK is the reference tape for almost all tape deck manufacturers? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 21:06:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:06:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack Message-ID: <91.e55d7e3.289c5023@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 10:47:57 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << That's correct. Sound deterioration through the CR-7 is minimal to non-existent (audible only on some program material and only on very careful A - B comparisons. For this, you do not need a headphone amp -- the CR-7 contains it's own. >> Ron, If Brian follows this direction, how will he use his preamps bass, treble, mid frequency adjustments? Aren't those bypassed when using this setup? (e.g. he will be hearing straight source signal) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 3 21:09:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:09:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: 700 ZXE for sale if anyone is interested... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:28:14 AM Central Daylight Time, kfendt at web.de writes: << Keep in mind that it will be a good thing to TRIPLE BOX the unit which will result in a very large package. When I sent my Dragon to be "sanktified" the outer box (a brand new box from a PC) was so heavily damaged that it couldn' be reused for sending the Dragon back to me Regards Klaus >> Guten Tag Her Klaus, Wie geht es Ihnen? You live in Munich yes? Forgive me as my spelling is nicht zu gut. Or, is that Munchen Glaibach - close to Holland. Spent time there as well. What a wonderful place. Hey, if you like we can chat offline from NakTalkers about your wonderful country. I enjoyed my time there. Bis Spater. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 21:31:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:31:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes References: Message-ID: <003601c11c52$e6d50260$903442cf@sank1> I've never had an SM-X to try out. But the fact that it's a screw shell tells me that it's very likely coming out of one of TDK's "good factories". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes > In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:44:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << At www.protape.com, TDK SMX-90 are $2.60 each when ordered 10 at a time. >> > > Hi Stephen, > > Do you have any experience with these tapes? Do you know if there is > anything about them that is different from the SA 90 or SA-X 90? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 3 21:30:03 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:30:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SMX tapes References: Message-ID: <001e01c11c52$b23ca760$619c42d8@idirect.com> Sam, here's the information on the SM-X Tapes by TDK: TDK SM-X is a state-of-the-art high-bias audio cassette engineered to deliver the highest possible sonic quality in professional studio recording applications. SM-X features TDK's world-renowned Super Avilyn high bias magnetic formulation technology, incorporating two layers with different structures and magnetic characteristics. The upper (contact) layer is optimized for short-wavelength (high-frequency) recording, with the lower layer optimized for longer wavelengths (lower frequencies), for uncompromised performance across the entire audio spectrum with superb sensitivity, low level resolution and dynamic range. SM-X employs TDK's SP-AR IV (Super Precision Anti-Resonance IV) mechanism, a high-precision, low-resonance design that minimizes modulation noise and assures exceptional phase accuracy and tape travel stability--of critical importance in multitrack decks because of their narrower tape tracks. SM-X's outstanding fidelity, durability and reliability make it an excellent choice for studio use, especially in multitrack decks where a cassette tape can be subjected to repeated shuttling, replays, and recording. Download pdf file of specs @: http://www.tdk.com/pdfs/sm-x.pdf Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 3 21:38:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:38:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack References: <008c01c11c1e$c86a70a0$26031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <005101c11c53$d8c46f20$903442cf@sank1> I've said it before & I'll say it again: I've never heard a better pair of dynamic phones than the Nak SP-7's, which happen to also be very comfortable & can play loud as hell without distortion. And the CR-7 has a very decent headphone amp, although it runs out of headroom before the SP-7's do. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack A couple days ago headphones were discussed. I did not keep those messages. After reading an article last night, I now have interest in headphones. Could someone either pass along those e-mails if they still have them or could those of you that posted your thoughts on what headphones were a good buy please repost your favorites and why? I would greatly appreciate it. I am not familiar with the process of using a headphone amp. It appears from pictures to have RCA jacks, where I assume you would run a source to, like a CD player, then you plug your phones into the amp. Am I correct? If not using a headphone amp, the only jack I have is on my CR-7A. Any thoughts as to the quality of this jack? Also, if I set my CR-7A to source, I assume I can hear another source, just using the CR-7a to pass through so I can use it's jack?? What about extensions to sit far away, do they degrade from the sound much. Thanks in advance!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 3 21:42:02 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:42:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack References: <91.e55d7e3.289c5023@aol.com> Message-ID: <003f01c11c54$5f763ee0$26031fac@brianm> Sam, I have owned a home audio componant with tone controls in years!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack > In a message dated 8/3/2001 10:47:57 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << That's correct. Sound deterioration through the CR-7 is > minimal to non-existent (audible only on some program > material and only on very careful A - B comparisons. For > this, you do not need a headphone amp -- the CR-7 contains > it's own. >> > > Ron, > > If Brian follows this direction, how will he use his preamps bass, treble, > mid frequency adjustments? Aren't those bypassed when using this setup? > (e.g. he will be hearing straight source signal) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 3 21:41:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:41:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack References: <91.e55d7e3.289c5023@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B6AFE55.9B70DFFA@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/3/2001 10:47:57 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << That's correct. Sound deterioration through the CR-7 is > minimal to non-existent (audible only on some program > material and only on very careful A - B comparisons. For > this, you do not need a headphone amp -- the CR-7 contains > it's own. >> > > Ron, > > If Brian follows this direction, how will he use his preamps bass, treble, > mid frequency adjustments? Aren't those bypassed when using this setup? > (e.g. he will be hearing straight source signal) Certainly. Volume will be controlled with the deck's Output control. He will have no Bass or Treble control. To me, this is no great loss. My preamp's tone controls are set at mid point and haven't been touched for the past 4 - 5 years. If he needs tone controls, than some headphone amps offer them. Or, he can bring out headphone drive from the power amp output. (BTW, that's easily done). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 21:47:11 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:47:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 In-Reply-To: <001e01c11c52$b23ca760$619c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: Hey fellas. Wish me luck. I am working on getting a second Nak tape deck to compliment my Dragon, an RX505. I was going to bid on that broken 505 that another lister bought, but I was away from my computer when the auction ended . Now, nobody better bid on this sucker! :-) Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 3 21:54:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:54:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk References: <3B6AEA53.5A69E3B6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B6B0187.B517AAC6@concentric.net> Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds exactly like I want it to -- in my head". I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to hear the music. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls interested > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > See Ya > Javier > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the > > phone. > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > type of systems. > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 3 22:01:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:01:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack References: <91.e55d7e3.289c5023@aol.com> <003f01c11c54$5f763ee0$26031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <006701c11c57$189f2560$26031fac@brianm> Correction, that should of read, "I haven't owned...............". > Sam, > > I have owned a home audio componant with tone controls in years!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack > > > > In a message dated 8/3/2001 10:47:57 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << That's correct. Sound deterioration through the CR-7 is > > minimal to non-existent (audible only on some program > > material and only on very careful A - B comparisons. For > > this, you do not need a headphone amp -- the CR-7 contains > > it's own. >> > > > > Ron, > > > > If Brian follows this direction, how will he use his preamps bass, treble, > > mid frequency adjustments? Aren't those bypassed when using this setup? > > (e.g. he will be hearing straight source signal) > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 3 22:14:24 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:14:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just went one by one comparing the specs on the TDK's site for the TAPE in SM-60 and SA-60 and they are identical. I would assume that the story is the same for SM-X and for SA-X. So the only difference appears to be the CASSETTE mechanism itself. SA has Anti Resonance Rigit Construction III, and SM has SP-AR (Super Precision - Antiresonance) IV. And SM-X has the screws. Bottom line the professional line has the same tape, and more sophisticated mechanism. To complicate things, the TDK SA-XS, I bought last year in Poland, also has the screws, same mechanism as SA described in this note, except it is also Heat Resistant (good for cars.)And, the font, and the overall feel of the cassette is more expensive than the professional SM-X - more along the lines of Maxell MX-S. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Fri, August 03, 2001 1:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:44:24 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << At www.protape.com, TDK SMX-90 are $2.60 each when ordered 10 at a time. >> Hi Stephen, Do you have any experience with these tapes? Do you know if there is anything about them that is different from the SA 90 or SA-X 90? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 3 23:23:34 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:23:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" In-Reply-To: <005101c11c53$d8c46f20$903442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I realize that there is little disagreement that the1000 ZXL Gold is the most desirable (and expensive) of all the decks made by Nakamichi. But with the better quality transports that certain decks have, and others having sonic advantages, (and maybe even better looks in view of the opinions on deck 1, 1.5, & 2.0), I'd be interested in knowing what all the experts feel are the rest of the decks that make up the "Nak Top 10". How would you rate, taking all the strengths and weaknesses into consideration, which decks fall into 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, etc.? I'm interested in hearing more than one opinion of course! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 3 23:26:49 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:26:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... In-Reply-To: <12e.2667c56.289c48d2@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c11c63$01bba7e0$13d4893e@a4s1s2> Anyone know where I can get a splicer for cassette tapes? Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat Aug 4 00:02:16 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:02:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I could get 10 pristine condition decks, here is my list. 1. 1000ZXL Gold (most desirable)- I will skip 1000ZXL black. 2. ZX-9 Specially Tuned (It was used by Nakamichi to record own tapes, etc.) 3. CR-7 (Many on this board say it is the best) 4. Dragon (you have to have the Dragon, plus playback azimuth) 5. 700ZXL (little brother to 1000ZXL) 6. 682ZX (I understand this was the best of the 6xx line) 7. 680ZX (because of 2 speeds - unique) 8. RX-505 (the cool reverse) 9. ZX-7 (basically ZX-9 with belts) 10. 582Z (to have something from the 5xx line) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Fri, August 03, 2001 4:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" I realize that there is little disagreement that the1000 ZXL Gold is the most desirable (and expensive) of all the decks made by Nakamichi. But with the better quality transports that certain decks have, and others having sonic advantages, (and maybe even better looks in view of the opinions on deck 1, 1.5, & 2.0), I'd be interested in knowing what all the experts feel are the rest of the decks that make up the "Nak Top 10". How would you rate, taking all the strengths and weaknesses into consideration, which decks fall into 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, etc.? I'm interested in hearing more than one opinion of course! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 00:41:55 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:41:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk References: <3B6AEA53.5A69E3B6@yahoo.com> <3B6B0187.B517AAC6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B6B28B3.29C052B0@yahoo.com> Actuully, I suspect women may have better hearing than men. My wife for example can consistently pick out her favourite tuner, an MR65B from a ABC.....z linup that has included a Scott 4312 a 350B a 433, MR500/71/78/80 etc. Most men, even golden eared freaks wouldn't be able to tell except maybe between the 4312 and the 65 Also, we do get caught up with details like solid metal front plates, rack handles as well as look and feel issues and design or circuitry details. Women on the other hand will just hear the thing and buy it if they like it. A year later they notice that the front panel is plastic. Oh! How about that! It's rustproof............... They are also smarter BTW: Javier Ron wrote: > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > hear the music. > > -- Ron > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls interested > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the > > > phone. > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > type of systems. > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > Roland > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Aug 4 05:26:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:26:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk References: <3B6AEA53.5A69E3B6@yahoo.com> <3B6B0187.B517AAC6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003101c11c95$d89f2de0$49289bca@smarzuki> Or probably woman hate complication resulting form "good sound" setups ... same reason for high selling bose lifestyles - people actually willing to pay much more for simplicity. Anyway, my aunt - a pianist - has been using tapes which I won't allow near any nak on a simple compo/boombox and listening to dirty and scratched LPs. I failed in talking her to buy a nitty gritty cleaner ... :-( BTW anybody wants to junk such LP cleaner please contact me (offline !! :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > hear the music. > > -- Ron > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls interested > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the > > > phone. > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > type of systems. > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > Roland > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 06:54:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:54:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <106.3914de8.289cda12@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:31:12 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I've never had an SM-X to try out. But the fact that it's a screw shell tells me that it's very likely coming out of one of TDK's "good factories". >> Thanks! It sound good, I am very pleased with the results. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 06:57:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:57:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX tapes Message-ID: <8c.a6c83c3.289cdaa3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:33:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ruajw2 at idirect.com writes: << Sam, here's the information on the SM-X Tapes by TDK: TDK SM-X is a state-of-the-art high-bias audio cassette engineered to deliver the highest possible sonic quality in professional studio recording applications. SM-X features TDK's world-renowned Super Avilyn high bias magnetic formulation technology, incorporating two layers with different structures and magnetic characteristics. The upper (contact) layer is optimized for short-wavelength (high-frequency) recording, with the lower layer optimized for longer wavelengths (lower frequencies), for uncompromised performance across the entire audio spectrum with superb sensitivity, low level resolution and dynamic range. SM-X employs TDK's SP-AR IV (Super Precision Anti-Resonance IV) mechanism, a high-precision, low-resonance design that minimizes modulation noise and assures exceptional phase accuracy and tape travel stability--of critical importance in multitrack decks because of their narrower tape tracks. SM-X's outstanding fidelity, durability and reliability make it an excellent choice for studio use, especially in multitrack decks where a cassette tape can be subjected to repeated shuttling, replays, and recording. Download pdf file of specs @: http://www.tdk.com/pdfs/sm-x.pdf Roland >> Thank you Roland. Question - sounds like TDK copy, and isn't this the same thing they say about the SA/SA-X 90? Just curious? Thank you again for this information, I appreciate it! _Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 06:58:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:58:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack Message-ID: <6e.def8624.289cdb13@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:43:19 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Certainly. Volume will be controlled with the deck's Output control. He will have no Bass or Treble control. To me, this is no great loss. My preamp's tone controls are set at mid point and haven't been touched for the past 4 - 5 years. If he needs tone controls, than some headphone amps offer them. Or, he can bring out headphone drive from the power amp output. (BTW, that's easily done). >> Thank you Ron. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:00:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:00:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Headphones & CR-7A jack Message-ID: <55.193f1ac2.289cdb6d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:43:52 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Sam, I have owned a home audio componant with tone controls in years!!! >> You know what's interesting? I noticed it today that I have all of my processors in "bypass" mode, and my tone controls in bypass mode as well. Either my ear is getting better or the source sound is improving. I haven't used my eq's or tone control for a long time now. For sure since I started using the CR-7. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:01:34 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:01:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Message-ID: <119.2aac7c7.289cdbae@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:48:16 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Hey fellas. Wish me luck. I am working on getting a second Nak tape deck to compliment my Dragon, an RX505. I was going to bid on that broken 505 that another lister bought, but I was away from my computer when the auction ended . Now, nobody better bid on this sucker! :-) Alex Cagann >> I wish you well in your auction. The RX-505 is a very nice unit, huge "wow" appeal, and from previous postings a very good sounding, and durable Nak. Keep us posted. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:07:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:07:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk Message-ID: <1e.19778cef.289cdd12@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:57:39 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to hear the music. -- Ron >> I've been thinking about these postings and I have come to a conclusion: Audiophile sound systems are like cars for women. As long as it gets them where they're going, they don't seem to care much about the rest. Unless they are raised in an environment where music quality is highly appreciated, and the sound system is not seen as something that competed for Dad's attention ( a HUGE, and I mean HUGE factor), I would gather to say that this is an area where most women are neutral. I had a women classical pianist friend who was one of the most demanding musicians I've met when it came to concert performances. However, she was very content listening to her classical music cassettes on a cheap Circuit City Sony jambox. And I will say again, if the stereo system competes with Mom for Dad's attention, you can bet your mortgage that the daughter will not be fond of sound systems. What are some of the group's experiences in this area? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:11:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:11:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <74.e1caea5.289cde10@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:14:25 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << To complicate things, the TDK SA-XS, I bought last year in Poland, also has the screws, same mechanism as SA described in this note, except it is also Heat Resistant (good for cars.)And, the font, and the overall feel of the cassette is more expensive than the professional SM-X - more along the lines of Maxell MX-S. Stan >> Hi Stan, You know, to me the SM-X Pro feels like an older TDK SA-90. Not quite the rugged feel of a Maxell XL-II, but more solid than the last batch of SA-X 90 and MA 90's I purchased at my local Tower Records. I thought someone made a posting several months ago during our blank tape discussion that the SM-X Pro was the same tape as the SA-90. I will pick up some SA 90's this weekend to experiment with. All I can say is that I am very happy and surprised by the results of the SM-X Pro. If you find one in your area (check your local Guitar Center or Sam Ash stores) experiment with one and let us all know of your results. Now keep in mind that I used very clean and clear source materials, and that my CR-7 was just tuned and modified by Stephen Sank. I'm sure that plays a major role in my wonderful results. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:26:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:26:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" Message-ID: <10f.32a157c.289ce173@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 4:27:01 PM Central Daylight Time, ruajw2 at idirect.com writes: << I realize that there is little disagreement that the1000 ZXL Gold is the most desirable (and expensive) of all the decks made by Nakamichi. But with the better quality transports that certain decks have, and others having sonic advantages, (and maybe even better looks in view of the opinions on deck 1, 1.5, & 2.0), I'd be interested in knowing what all the experts feel are the rest of the decks that make up the "Nak Top 10". How would you rate, taking all the strengths and weaknesses into consideration, which decks fall into 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, etc.? I'm interested in hearing more than one opinion of course! --Roland >> Hi Roland, I would disagree with you that the Gold 1000ZXL is the most desirable. And, given the prices over the past 2 years it is clear that the Dragon consistently commands a very high price tag for a used and no longer produced tape deck. Especially in this "digital" world. This has been a question we often discuss on NakTalkers, and I believe Stephen shared his top 10 some months ago. I haven't heard all of the Naks so I cannot comment beyond my personal favorites. Following the advice of this group, coupled with hearing a cassette created on Brian Graham's CR-7 (his system sounds fantastic), after years and years of wanting a Dragon I opted for a CR-7 and have not regretted one minute. I would eventually like to own a Dragon, just because I like it's looks, the auto-reverse and automatic azimuth controls, and because I've wanted one for soooooooooooooo long. But if I had the opportunity to purchase another CR-7, or a 700 ZXE, or a 1000 ZXL (non gold plated) I would. Although the ZX-9 is considered one of the very best recording decks, I would personally pass on that series. I also would enjoy a mint Tandberg 3014a. Just my two cents... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 07:27:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:27:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... Message-ID: <126.270b9c2.289ce1a6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2001 4:27:15 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Anyone know where I can get a splicer for cassette tapes? Graham >> Splicing cassette tapes? I haven't done that in years! Graham, what are you up to my friend? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sat Aug 4 07:41:41 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:41:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SMX tapes References: <8c.a6c83c3.289cdaa3@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c11ca8$2417af60$829c42d8@idirect.com> Sam, >From what I understand most tapes start to not work as well after 40 or more passes. They start to break down even though it may not be noticeable immediately. Also there is more friction with the reel hubs against the tape shell. I'm not sure if there is some fine lubricant that is used in tapes where shell meets plastic hub, (Perhaps Stephen can tell us), but whatever it is, it breaks down. This is where SM-X is supposed to outlast "mortal" tapes. Being designed for use in the studio they apparently have a longer life expectancy. I have a few of these tapes around, from this past year and although I have recorded on them the difference isn't immediately apparent. I suppose 20 years down the line we'll see. I still have XLII-S 90 tapes from the early 80's that are still going strong and have been played frequently at times. I don't know what is reasonable to expect from ANY cassette tape after it passes the 20 year mark! Of course I'm 40 now.....If these (SM-X) tapes last 20 years or more, I'll be happy if my hearing can tell the difference by that point! Chances are, they'll outlast me. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 08:12:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:12:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX tapes Message-ID: <36.198d734b.289cec60@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2001 12:46:12 AM Central Daylight Time, ruajw2 at idirect.com writes: << Sam, From what I understand most tapes start to not work as well after 40 or more passes. They start to break down even though it may not be noticeable immediately. Also there is more friction with the reel hubs against the tape shell. I'm not sure if there is some fine lubricant that is used in tapes where shell meets plastic hub, (Perhaps Stephen can tell us), but whatever it is, it breaks down. This is where SM-X is supposed to outlast "mortal" tapes. Being designed for use in the studio they apparently have a longer life expectancy. I have a few of these tapes around, from this past year and although I have recorded on them the difference isn't immediately apparent. I suppose 20 years down the line we'll see. I still have XLII-S 90 tapes from the early 80's that are still going strong and have been played frequently at times. I don't know what is reasonable to expect from ANY cassette tape after it passes the 20 year mark! Of course I'm 40 now.....If these (SM-X) tapes last 20 years or more, I'll be happy if my hearing can tell the difference by that point! Chances are, they'll outlast me. Roland >> That's interesting Roland, thank you. I have noticed that there is definitely a shelf life to cassettes. Over time the harmonics seems to dissipate. Again, I've forgotten what I paid for my SM-X 90 as I purchased it along with a 5 minute version for a radio "air check" for a voice over position. It stayed in it's wrapper untouched for at least a year before I recorded on it and the recording is very "sweet." I would definitely record on them again. However, (and I don't recall one blank cassette costing more than $2.50 - $3.00 US) I may purchase one just to have around. I should probably experiment next with the TDK SA 90 as it is supposed to work well with the CR-7. I can pick up a pack of 3 for approximately $8.00 (e.g. $7.00 US plus change) locally. Which incidentally works out to about the same for one SM-X Pro. But again, I don't remember what I paid for it. It does make nice recordings though...I didn't pay anything close to $12or $15 dollars US for it. I purchased it at my local Guitar Center for those of you who have one of these stores locally. Sam Ash probably carries them as well. >From my experience, for consistent performance and rock solid durability the Maxell XL-II is the winner. I find the recent XL-II's to pale in durability and build compared to their older counterparts. (Do you all remember those, they were black and gold in color, read "position CrO2" and "Epilaxial" on them [I'm looking at one now as I type]? Those were indestructible! Curious as to if I could re-record on one of those as my copies are at least 20 years old). Nonetheless, they are smooth and easy moving and that may play a major role in the sound that is reproduced. I don't know if you or anyone in the group recalls these, but for my money the most durable cassette I've ever encountered, besides the TDK MA-XG; were the Maxell UDX -II 90s. I have a few that I may re-record over just to see how the CR-7 handles them. That was a GREAT cassette for me using my BX-150 and Teac R-9191X. Does anyone know if these are still available for purchase, maybe via the Internet? I would like to record on a few new ones if possible. Any thoughts on using the UDX-II from anyone? It even reads "Japan/Japon" on them. Great cassette! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 4 08:19:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:19:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1025 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/28/2001 9:47:50 PM Central Daylight Time, TjBrann at aol.com writes: << I'd be more than happy to send you a recording made off my own NAK, but with one proviso.................I won't tell you which model it is until AFTER you have a listen. You will also have to tell what kind of music you're into, mailing address, name, etc etc. I do have a bias...............considering we're talking about an analogue piece of equipment..............I think it a bit absurd to record a digital source............I'd be sending you a recording from my vinyl collection. Take Care, Tom >> Hi Tom, Thank you for your offer, I truly appreciate it. Are you in the US? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 4 10:39:08 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:39:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... In-Reply-To: <126.270b9c2.289ce1a6@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c11cc0$ed698a60$1ad4893e@a4s1s2> Sam My twins take delight in pulling out the tape from the cassettes ... I have a couple that could be mended as they are broken only at the leader. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 04 August 2001 06:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... In a message dated 8/3/2001 4:27:15 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Anyone know where I can get a splicer for cassette tapes? Graham >> Splicing cassette tapes? I haven't done that in years! Graham, what are you up to my friend? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Aug 4 11:08:42 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 21:08:42 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizer question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010804210522.02155de0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, Can I ask if there were different versions of the DM-10 demagnetizer for both 110v and 230v? Brett PS Presumably if I got myself a 110v version I would need to use a transformer as I am in 230v land (New Zealand)? bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Aug 4 15:18:20 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:18:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" References: Message-ID: <004701c11ce7$f36218c0$0c031fac@brianm> I am somewhat like Sam, I am not familiar enough with all of them, but hey, I'll give it a shot. 1. 1000ZXL Limited (I am sure it would have great performance, stunning looks and could sell it and buy several others Naks if desired!) 2. Dragon (I haven't owned one! Auto-reverse) 3. ZX-9 (Owned one before!) 4. CR-7 (This is close with the ZX-9, probably a tie. This is what I own now.) 5. RX 505 (Auto reverse and beautiful. The little I use cassette anymore, auto-reverse sounds more appealing. I could stick a cassette while working and play the whole thing.) 6. 700ZXL 7. 682 ZX 8. 680 ZX 9. ZX-7 10. LX-5 This is subject to change at any time! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" > If I could get 10 pristine condition decks, here is my list. > > 1. 1000ZXL Gold (most desirable)- I will skip 1000ZXL black. > 2. ZX-9 Specially Tuned (It was used by Nakamichi to record own tapes, etc.) > 3. CR-7 (Many on this board say it is the best) > 4. Dragon (you have to have the Dragon, plus playback azimuth) > 5. 700ZXL (little brother to 1000ZXL) > 6. 682ZX (I understand this was the best of the 6xx line) > 7. 680ZX (because of 2 speeds - unique) > 8. RX-505 (the cool reverse) > 9. ZX-7 (basically ZX-9 with belts) > 10. 582Z (to have something from the 5xx line) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Fri, August 03, 2001 4:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" > > > I realize that there is little disagreement that the1000 ZXL Gold is the > most desirable (and expensive) of all the decks made by Nakamichi. > > But with the better quality transports that certain decks have, and others > having sonic advantages, (and maybe even better looks in view of the > opinions on deck 1, 1.5, & 2.0), I'd be interested in knowing what all the > experts feel are the rest of the decks that make up the "Nak Top 10". > > How would you rate, taking all the strengths and weaknesses into > consideration, which decks fall into 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, etc.? I'm > interested in hearing more than one opinion of course! > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 4 15:44:29 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:44:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK tape question Message-ID: <3B6BFC3D.573AE499@sunint.co.za> I think most of us have been opportunistic enough to snap up at at least a couple of 3/4/5 packs of penny-dreadful tapes that fall outside the standards lines of the major manufacturers. Names like TDK CDing, Sony CDit, Maxell Metal CD, TDK Super D (haven't tried that one yet, perhaps divine guidence intervened, or maybe it's not that bad). I saw most of these oddball lines in London in HMV, Tower and Virgin MegaStores. Here it's Musica, Rebel Music and CD Warehouse etc. TDKs cheapest here is their "B" which has the words "Brilliant Cassette" written on it. Truly nasty stuff for audio masochists. Marc >>> s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au 08/03/01 10:28AM >>> targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > I look at TDK CD Power and similar tapes as "Slim Shady" generation of > tapes. I've used some Japan-made TDK CD Walker type II tapes last year and they're best avoided. Flat [lifeless] response and not at all suited for repeated recordings, which is what its purpose seems to be. Its saving grace is the reasonably strong tape base, but it all sums up to nothing. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 4 15:46:45 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:46:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck series - ugliest of all Message-ID: <3B6BFCC5.6424C55B@sunint.co.za> Howdy Stan, Brian and Co, No flames guys, that's for sure, at least not from me. After all, for the serious Nak collector, the eighties superdecks are the really desirable ones to have, without a doubt. And the guys who collect them are most familar with their inimitable style, which one would have to admit, did not change that significantly during that decade. Or, to put it another way, their form followed function. There was an assertive, technical, handsome countenance to a Nakamichi that transended the need for styling for the sake of style. And that is where the 1990/92 range went wrong. It lost the faith of it's fans. It was a complete syling shift that backfired on them, sales wise. What their marketing team had failed to note was that a large part of their sales went to people already committed to the brand. They had been known as a company who "did things their way" and this seemed to indicate that the market was influencing them in an un-Nakamichi direction. I bet someone back in Tokyo got an earful about it. Looking at them from a laymans point of view, the 1990/2 Nak gear was no less elegant than a bunch of other component hi-fi units. The sleek, but wayward styling of the whole range was not really that unpleasant, it was only unpleasant to us. For instance, show a 582 to a lay person. The reaction is normally predictable... (ughhh!!). But I love them. (Try telling a bulldog owner that their pooches aren't beautiful!!). Once I was used to Nak, then ReVox was no surprise. I still had a double-take when I saw a Tandberg 3014 though. Now, anything that's remotely pretty, I'm really suspicious of. (Does that ring a bell?). 'What folly of man to mistake beauty for goodness.' Graham, I'm sure you can correct me here. As a matter of interest, the Cassette Deck series are pretty much the same weight as a DR1/CR4 or some others I picked up. The feeling is quite solid. The casework is quite resistant to scratches, comparitively. It's true that impressions can be important (if the anti-macassars on the airliner seat's headrest are dirty, then you are entitled to wonder about the engine maintenance). But the mechanism hasn't given me any headaches yet and as a whole, it's all I would expect for a $1000 machine. The capstan motor is the potential trouble spot, but easily remedied. Service access to the unit is harder than other models, but think of it as 'typical Nakamichi idiosyncracy'. And the sound is superb. Regards, Marc >>> targowski at mediaone.net 08/02/01 11:42PM >>> I feel that Cassette Deck 1, 1.5, 2. etc were the most ugly, plastic looking components. I think that this was when Nak management has changes and they thought that slapping Nak name on some ugly plastic justify the price. They were wrong, and quickly came up with the DR series. I do feel that Cassette Deck 1, with its manual playback adjustment is a great feature. My problem is that none of these units would be accepted from the estetics looks in my rack. They look plain cheap. If they look cheap, I wonder what other shortcuts Nakamichi took from the engineering and quality control perspective ? Many of us are collectors. We talk about ZX9, CR7, ZX682. Many of us still record off mid-fi CD players. The decks we want to have need to have collectors value. My opinion is that the Cassette Deck 1-3 series has the lowest collector items coefficient. I would take 582Z over any CD 1-3, even though it is 10 years older. OK, flame me, please. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 12:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have a tandberg 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as tight as nak 1! However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical quality to it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for the clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of components. The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I suspect, was perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a different customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer from whom I purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there about this series of Nakamichi stuff? Brian Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Brian, > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > series, 1 > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > like it, but > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > will not last > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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She has a distinct fondness for nude tube amplifiers (likes Audio Synthesis, in particular the Legacy) very much, panel speakers of various types (esp Martin Logan) and vinyl replay systems, of practically any brand (but no funny colours and not too much acrylic). I don't know how much my interest has transferred to her but she is always keen to join me in audio stores, not only the ones with a good reputation for coffee. Quite a bit of her interest stems from the style and evocative ambience created by unusual looking apparatus. After all, I'm certain that one (or better, 2) of Stephen's Moscode amps would eat a Legacy alive, gold plate and all. I've no doubt that female owners of Naks are frequently musicians. I have a female aquaintence in Pretoria who owns a LX3 and a ZX7. She plays in a band and also takes care of their marketing. These pieces of kit come from her home system and she treasures them very seriously. She was thrilled to discover naks.com. She uses the decks both for recording live music and pre-recorded music for her own enjoyment. I know she is a rarity. When she goes out of town, she locks them in her wall safe. (Yes, I know what you're thinking. I have her address but not the combination to the safe). One of our members suggested a couple of months ago that girls get onto the emotional level with music more than the "sound it makes". No doubt this is true.....but there are exceptions, thank goodness. I think girls balk about going into a hi-fi stores the same way guys are reluctant to browse through haberdasheries....... Maybe they are treated as idiots, instead of being made to feel comfortable (thinking of the average hi-fi store operator). Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/04/01 05:26AM >>> Or probably woman hate complication resulting form "good sound" setups ... same reason for high selling bose lifestyles - people actually willing to pay much more for simplicity. Anyway, my aunt - a pianist - has been using tapes which I won't allow near any nak on a simple compo/boombox and listening to dirty and scratched LPs. I failed in talking her to buy a nitty gritty cleaner ... :-( BTW anybody wants to junk such LP cleaner please contact me (offline !! :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > hear the music. > > -- Ron > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls interested > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an appreciation > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC X-700R reel > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in California.....not > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her on the > > > phone. > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some recording > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the money on a > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a 1000ZXL or any > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something genetic. > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are all, Sony, > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > type of systems. > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > Roland > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It therefore follows, that things (other than lounge suites, college fees, like, for example, hi-fi, photography, vintage cars, motorcycling, aircraft restoration, falconry - i.e. normal stuff for guys) that use up money are bad. They 'steal' the money, you see! They are seen as not necessary, rather expensive, surplus to requirements, etc. Things that use up time are also bad. This is because they 'steal' the time. They are selfish, service a doctrine of neglect, are a waste of time, incomprehensible or finally, insane. A passion for these nice things also proves (according to the lady's in our lives) that guys have a secret list, which places wives and daughters towards the bottom/ or alternatively, not actually on the list but scribbled in the margin, in crayon. Great post Sam! I really enjoyed that. Forgive my kindred pontifications. Marc >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 08/04/01 07:07AM >>> In a message dated 8/3/2001 2:57:39 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to hear the music. -- Ron >> I've been thinking about these postings and I have come to a conclusion: Audiophile sound systems are like cars for women. As long as it gets them where they're going, they don't seem to care much about the rest. Unless they are raised in an environment where music quality is highly appreciated, and the sound system is not seen as something that competed for Dad's attention ( a HUGE, and I mean HUGE factor), I would gather to say that this is an area where most women are neutral. I had a women classical pianist friend who was one of the most demanding musicians I've met when it came to concert performances. However, she was very content listening to her classical music cassettes on a cheap Circuit City Sony jambox. And I will say again, if the stereo system competes with Mom for Dad's attention, you can bet your mortgage that the daughter will not be fond of sound systems. What are some of the group's experiences in this area? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 4 15:51:12 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:51:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK TOP 10 Message-ID: <3B6BFDD0.6E9A4B8@sunint.co.za> That is hard to argue with....pity the gorgeous LX-5 did creep in somehow though. Marc >>> targowski at mediaone.net 08/04/01 12:02AM >>> If I could get 10 pristine condition decks, here is my list. 1. 1000ZXL Gold (most desirable)- I will skip 1000ZXL black. 2. ZX-9 Specially Tuned (It was used by Nakamichi to record own tapes, etc.) 3. CR-7 (Many on this board say it is the best) 4. Dragon (you have to have the Dragon, plus playback azimuth) 5. 700ZXL (little brother to 1000ZXL) 6. 682ZX (I understand this was the best of the 6xx line) 7. 680ZX (because of 2 speeds - unique) 8. RX-505 (the cool reverse) 9. ZX-7 (basically ZX-9 with belts) 10. 582Z (to have something from the 5xx line) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Fri, August 03, 2001 4:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" I realize that there is little disagreement that the1000 ZXL Gold is the most desirable (and expensive) of all the decks made by Nakamichi. But with the better quality transports that certain decks have, and others having sonic advantages, (and maybe even better looks in view of the opinions on deck 1, 1.5, & 2.0), I'd be interested in knowing what all the experts feel are the rest of the decks that make up the "Nak Top 10". How would you rate, taking all the strengths and weaknesses into consideration, which decks fall into 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, etc.? I'm interested in hearing more than one opinion of course! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Incidentally, I bought the Pioneer when my (supposedly high end, listed at $700) Toshiba DVD player broke down. I was all set to get a new high end player, but looked around and couldn't find a player with all the features I wanted. I felt that this would be coming to market in the next or maybe following model year, so I bought the cheapest player I could find, as a stopgap. The Pioneer has surpassed all my expectations. Also incidentally, since I had nothing lo lose, I opened the failed Toshiba. Found the drive mechanism had disintegrated into various small pieces of plastic. Put them together with household cement and the thing started to work again. It's sitting now in my bedroom system, where it plays a movie about once a month. At this rate, it should last at least another year. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Don't know if it's true but those crazy reviews said dvd10 is sourced from > Akai ... > "This AKAI sourced machine had great potential had it not been for the > glitches. " > > http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/DVD/product_4857.shtml > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dvd player? > > > I didn't know they made one. Pretty neat. Also, thanks to those that > > responded to my dragon eq question. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260254453 > > > > Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 4 16:40:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:40:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... References: <000001c11cc0$ed698a60$1ad4893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B6C0949.60A395D8@concentric.net> I happen to have a cassette tape splicer that I haven't used in many years. When a leader breaks, I replace the whole leader (I have a few cassettes that I cannibalize for parts) and glue it to the beginning of the tape with a tiny drop of household cement, free hand. Finding the splicer and setting it up is too much trouble. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Sam > > My twins take delight in pulling out the tape from the cassettes ... I have > a couple that could be mended as they are broken only at the leader. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: 04 August 2001 06:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... > > In a message dated 8/3/2001 4:27:15 PM Central Daylight Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << Anyone know where I can get a splicer for cassette tapes? > > Graham > >> > Splicing cassette tapes? I haven't done that in years! Graham, what are > you up to my friend? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 4 18:16:20 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:16:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on naktalk References: <3B6BFD0E.4BAA0FF2@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B6C1FD4.F6ECFC41@pacbell.net> My experience with women and audio, or should I say Woman, as I have had the same one for >12 years is that she want's to eat her cake and have it too. A designer/decorator whose purchases of furniture and home accessories match the kind of costs one would incurr buying the "upstairs" systems in the "absolute Snob, whoops, I mean sound", likes the sound of my 2 piece Mcintosh xrt18's and 150# amp sitting in the middle of them, but hates the looks and repaints my speakers and changes the grille cloth color/texture every time she does a color change (god only knows what she would do with some Maggie Tympanis). So much for the beautiful walnut finish. Am I " p&^%Y whipped" or what? Oh well, at least the balance of my compenents probably enjoy their home in a Louis XIV armoire! But, gentlemen, never lose the battle for in wall speakers. Ever since I was quite young, my dream home would have a pair of exceptional loudspeakers in every room. That dream was lost to inwalls!!!!! This may be way off topic but does anybody have any interesting stories pertaining to Audio systems and their significant others? Brian > On the subject of Nakgirls and their possible existence, I would > consider myself very fortunate with my wife, who is young, modern, > career oriented - all the things that fall outside the profile of a > hi-fi enthusist. She has a distinct fondness for nude tube amplifiers > (likes Audio Synthesis, in particular the Legacy) very much, panel > speakers of various types (esp Martin Logan) and vinyl replay systems, > of practically any brand (but no funny colours and not too much > acrylic). I don't know how much my interest has transferred to her but > she is always keen to join me in audio stores, not only the ones with a > good reputation for coffee. Quite a bit of her interest stems from the > style and evocative ambience created by unusual looking apparatus. > After all, I'm certain that one (or better, 2) of Stephen's Moscode amps > would eat a Legacy alive, gold plate and all. > > I've no doubt that female owners of Naks are frequently musicians. I > have a female aquaintence in Pretoria who owns a LX3 and a ZX7. She > plays in a band and also takes care of their marketing. These pieces of > kit come from her home system and she treasures them very seriously. > She was thrilled to discover naks.com. She uses the decks both for > recording live music and pre-recorded music for her own enjoyment. I > know she is a rarity. When she goes out of town, she locks them in her > wall safe. (Yes, I know what you're thinking. I have her address but > not the combination to the safe). > > One of our members suggested a couple of months ago that girls get onto > the emotional level with music more than the "sound it makes". No doubt > this is true.....but there are exceptions, thank goodness. I think > girls balk about going into a hi-fi stores the same way guys are > reluctant to browse through haberdasheries....... Maybe they are > treated as idiots, instead of being made to feel comfortable (thinking > of the average hi-fi store operator). > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/04/01 05:26AM >>> > > Or probably woman hate complication resulting form "good sound" setups > ... > same reason for high selling bose lifestyles - people actually willing > to > pay much more for simplicity. > > Anyway, my aunt - a pianist - has been using tapes which I won't allow > near > any nak on a simple compo/boombox and listening to dirty and scratched > LPs. > I failed in talking her to buy a nitty gritty cleaner ... :-( BTW > anybody > wants to junk such LP cleaner please contact me (offline !! :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:54 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk > > > > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > > hear the music. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls > interested > > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an > appreciation > > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC > X-700R reel > > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in > California.....not > > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her > on > the > > > > phone. > > > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some > recording > > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the > money > on a > > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a > 1000ZXL > or any > > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something > genetic. > > > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are > all, > Sony, > > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > > type of systems. > > > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 4 18:27:30 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:27:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck series - ugliest of all References: <3B6BFCC5.6424C55B@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B6C2272.B0553FF0@pacbell.net> Given the recent thoughts on Nakamichi, the ugly years, I think now is a good time to ebay my cassette deck 1. Does anybody in the group want one before I offer it to the ebay market (or is there a better venue for selling Naks)? If so, I would send it to Stephen for complete service and offer a fair price, providing he can certify that it is within original specs and has plenty of life left in it. Brian Marc Hugo wrote: > Howdy Stan, Brian and Co, > > No flames guys, that's for sure, at least not from me. > > After all, for the serious Nak collector, the eighties superdecks are > the really desirable ones to have, without a doubt. And the guys who > collect them are most familar with their inimitable style, which one > would have to admit, did not change that significantly during that > decade. Or, to put it another way, their form followed function. There > was an assertive, technical, handsome countenance to a Nakamichi that > transended the need for styling for the sake of style. And that is > where the 1990/92 range went wrong. It lost the faith of it's fans. It > was a complete syling shift that backfired on them, sales wise. What > their marketing team had failed to note was that a large part of their > sales went to people already committed to the brand. They had been > known as a company who "did things their way" and this seemed to > indicate that the market was influencing them in an un-Nakamichi > direction. I bet someone back in Tokyo got an earful about it. > > Looking at them from a laymans point of view, the 1990/2 Nak gear was no > less elegant than a bunch of other component hi-fi units. The sleek, > but wayward styling of the whole range was not really that unpleasant, > it was only unpleasant to us. For instance, show a 582 to a lay > person. The reaction is normally predictable... (ughhh!!). But I love > them. (Try telling a bulldog owner that their pooches aren't > beautiful!!). Once I was used to Nak, then ReVox was no surprise. I > still had a double-take when I saw a Tandberg 3014 though. Now, > anything that's remotely pretty, I'm really suspicious of. (Does that > ring a bell?). 'What folly of man to mistake beauty for goodness.' > Graham, I'm sure you can correct me here. > > As a matter of interest, the Cassette Deck series are pretty much the > same weight as a DR1/CR4 or some others I picked up. The feeling is > quite solid. The casework is quite resistant to scratches, > comparitively. It's true that impressions can be important (if the > anti-macassars on the airliner seat's headrest are dirty, then you are > entitled to wonder about the engine maintenance). But the mechanism > hasn't given me any headaches yet and as a whole, it's all I would > expect for a $1000 machine. The capstan motor is the potential trouble > spot, but easily remedied. Service access to the unit is harder than > other models, but think of it as 'typical Nakamichi idiosyncracy'. And > the sound is superb. > > Regards, > > Marc > > >>> targowski at mediaone.net 08/02/01 11:42PM >>> > I feel that Cassette Deck 1, 1.5, 2. etc were the most ugly, plastic > looking > components. I think that this was when Nak management has changes and > they > thought that slapping Nak name on some ugly plastic justify the price. > They > were wrong, and quickly came up with the DR series. > > I do feel that Cassette Deck 1, with its manual playback adjustment is a > > great feature. My problem is that none of these units would be accepted > from > the estetics looks in my rack. They look plain cheap. If they look > cheap, I > wonder what other shortcuts Nakamichi took from the engineering and > quality > control perspective ? > > Many of us are collectors. We talk about ZX9, CR7, ZX682. Many of us > still > record off mid-fi CD players. The decks we want to have need to have > collectors value. My opinion is that the Cassette Deck 1-3 series has > the > lowest collector items coefficient. I would take 582Z over any CD 1-3, > even > though it is 10 years older. > > OK, flame me, please. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: Thu, August 02, 2001 12:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than > $200? > > The low end is a bit tighter on the nak than the tandberg. I also have > a > tandberg > 9200 xd r-r which also has the same characteristic--low end is not as > tight > as nak 1! > However, over the entire music spectrum, the tandberg has a more musical > > quality to > it. Perhaps a bit less edgy than the nak, but by no means dull. > > The group seldom discusses the cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2 (thank you for > the > clarification folks) series, or, for that matter, that entire series of > components. > The entire series definitely has no "wow" factor to its looks and I > suspect, > was > perhaps a difficult time for Nakamichi or an effort to market to a > different > customer. This particular series failed miserably at our local dealer > from > whom I > purchased it at half off ~~ $400.00 or so. Any thoughts out there > about > this series > of Nakamichi stuff? > > Brian > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Hi Brian, > > > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck > 1 ? > > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than > $200? > > > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in > the > > series, 1 > > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in > price/features. I > > like it, but > > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group > believes > > will not last > > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 4 18:19:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 12:19:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on naktalk References: <3B6BFD0E.4BAA0FF2@sunint.co.za> <3B6C1FD4.F6ECFC41@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B6C2099.DA13DF0A@concentric.net> I guess I am lucky... my SO would NEVER dare to touch my speakers; let alone, repaint them. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > My experience with women and audio, or should I say Woman, as I have had the same one > for >12 years is that she want's to eat her cake and have it too. A > designer/decorator whose purchases of furniture and home accessories match the kind of > costs one would incurr buying the "upstairs" systems in the "absolute Snob, whoops, I > mean sound", likes the sound of my 2 piece Mcintosh xrt18's and 150# amp sitting in > the middle of them, but hates the looks and repaints my speakers and changes the > grille cloth color/texture every time she does a color change (god only knows what she > would do with some Maggie Tympanis). So much for the beautiful walnut finish. Am I " > p&^%Y whipped" or what? Oh well, at least the balance of my compenents probably enjoy > their home in a Louis XIV armoire! > > But, gentlemen, never lose the battle for in wall speakers. Ever since I was quite > young, my dream home would have a pair of exceptional loudspeakers in every room. > That dream was lost to inwalls!!!!! This may be way off topic but does anybody have > any interesting stories pertaining to Audio systems and their significant others? > > Brian > > > On the subject of Nakgirls and their possible existence, I would > > consider myself very fortunate with my wife, who is young, modern, > > career oriented - all the things that fall outside the profile of a > > hi-fi enthusist. She has a distinct fondness for nude tube amplifiers > > (likes Audio Synthesis, in particular the Legacy) very much, panel > > speakers of various types (esp Martin Logan) and vinyl replay systems, > > of practically any brand (but no funny colours and not too much > > acrylic). I don't know how much my interest has transferred to her but > > she is always keen to join me in audio stores, not only the ones with a > > good reputation for coffee. Quite a bit of her interest stems from the > > style and evocative ambience created by unusual looking apparatus. > > After all, I'm certain that one (or better, 2) of Stephen's Moscode amps > > would eat a Legacy alive, gold plate and all. > > > > I've no doubt that female owners of Naks are frequently musicians. I > > have a female aquaintence in Pretoria who owns a LX3 and a ZX7. She > > plays in a band and also takes care of their marketing. These pieces of > > kit come from her home system and she treasures them very seriously. > > She was thrilled to discover naks.com. She uses the decks both for > > recording live music and pre-recorded music for her own enjoyment. I > > know she is a rarity. When she goes out of town, she locks them in her > > wall safe. (Yes, I know what you're thinking. I have her address but > > not the combination to the safe). > > > > One of our members suggested a couple of months ago that girls get onto > > the emotional level with music more than the "sound it makes". No doubt > > this is true.....but there are exceptions, thank goodness. I think > > girls balk about going into a hi-fi stores the same way guys are > > reluctant to browse through haberdasheries....... Maybe they are > > treated as idiots, instead of being made to feel comfortable (thinking > > of the average hi-fi store operator). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/04/01 05:26AM >>> > > > > Or probably woman hate complication resulting form "good sound" setups > > ... > > same reason for high selling bose lifestyles - people actually willing > > to > > pay much more for simplicity. > > > > Anyway, my aunt - a pianist - has been using tapes which I won't allow > > near > > any nak on a simple compo/boombox and listening to dirty and scratched > > LPs. > > I failed in talking her to buy a nitty gritty cleaner ... :-( BTW > > anybody > > wants to junk such LP cleaner please contact me (offline !! :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk > > > > > > > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > > > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > > > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > > > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > > > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > > > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > > > > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > > > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > > > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > > > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > > > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > > > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > > > > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > > > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > > > hear the music. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls > > interested > > > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an > > appreciation > > > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC > > X-700R reel > > > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in > > California.....not > > > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her > > on > > the > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some > > recording > > > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the > > money > > on a > > > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a > > 1000ZXL > > or any > > > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something > > genetic. > > > > > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are > > all, > > Sony, > > > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > > > type of systems. > > > > > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > > > > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 4 20:17:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:17:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Girls on naktalk References: <3B6BFD0E.4BAA0FF2@sunint.co.za> <3B6C1FD4.F6ECFC41@pacbell.net> <3B6C2099.DA13DF0A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004801c11d11$ac7a99d0$9865fea9@D9569601> My fianceee loved the sound of the system until she tried to figure out how to use it one day. Next, she asked how much something cost; I told her. She was not so thrilled. She likes her Bose Soundwave cd/amfm just fine. Me, I like the system I listened to yesterday: Audio Note Ongaku integrated ampflifer Audio Note DAC 5 Audio Note pure silver speaker wires and interconnects Audio Note speakers (model # ???, retail is 19k) Levinson CD transport This system was spectacular; 'nuff said. A bit above my price range at 150k retail give or take ten grand. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on naktalk > > > I guess I am lucky... my SO would NEVER dare to touch > my speakers; let alone, repaint them. > > -- Ron > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > My experience with women and audio, or should I say Woman, as I have had the same one > > for >12 years is that she want's to eat her cake and have it too. A > > designer/decorator whose purchases of furniture and home accessories match the kind of > > costs one would incurr buying the "upstairs" systems in the "absolute Snob, whoops, I > > mean sound", likes the sound of my 2 piece Mcintosh xrt18's and 150# amp sitting in > > the middle of them, but hates the looks and repaints my speakers and changes the > > grille cloth color/texture every time she does a color change (god only knows what she > > would do with some Maggie Tympanis). So much for the beautiful walnut finish. Am I " > > p&^%Y whipped" or what? Oh well, at least the balance of my compenents probably enjoy > > their home in a Louis XIV armoire! > > > > But, gentlemen, never lose the battle for in wall speakers. Ever since I was quite > > young, my dream home would have a pair of exceptional loudspeakers in every room. > > That dream was lost to inwalls!!!!! This may be way off topic but does anybody have > > any interesting stories pertaining to Audio systems and their significant others? > > > > Brian > > > > > On the subject of Nakgirls and their possible existence, I would > > > consider myself very fortunate with my wife, who is young, modern, > > > career oriented - all the things that fall outside the profile of a > > > hi-fi enthusist. She has a distinct fondness for nude tube amplifiers > > > (likes Audio Synthesis, in particular the Legacy) very much, panel > > > speakers of various types (esp Martin Logan) and vinyl replay systems, > > > of practically any brand (but no funny colours and not too much > > > acrylic). I don't know how much my interest has transferred to her but > > > she is always keen to join me in audio stores, not only the ones with a > > > good reputation for coffee. Quite a bit of her interest stems from the > > > style and evocative ambience created by unusual looking apparatus. > > > After all, I'm certain that one (or better, 2) of Stephen's Moscode amps > > > would eat a Legacy alive, gold plate and all. > > > > > > I've no doubt that female owners of Naks are frequently musicians. I > > > have a female aquaintence in Pretoria who owns a LX3 and a ZX7. She > > > plays in a band and also takes care of their marketing. These pieces of > > > kit come from her home system and she treasures them very seriously. > > > She was thrilled to discover naks.com. She uses the decks both for > > > recording live music and pre-recorded music for her own enjoyment. I > > > know she is a rarity. When she goes out of town, she locks them in her > > > wall safe. (Yes, I know what you're thinking. I have her address but > > > not the combination to the safe). > > > > > > One of our members suggested a couple of months ago that girls get onto > > > the emotional level with music more than the "sound it makes". No doubt > > > this is true.....but there are exceptions, thank goodness. I think > > > girls balk about going into a hi-fi stores the same way guys are > > > reluctant to browse through haberdasheries....... Maybe they are > > > treated as idiots, instead of being made to feel comfortable (thinking > > > of the average hi-fi store operator). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/04/01 05:26AM >>> > > > > > > Or probably woman hate complication resulting form "good sound" setups > > > ... > > > same reason for high selling bose lifestyles - people actually willing > > > to > > > pay much more for simplicity. > > > > > > Anyway, my aunt - a pianist - has been using tapes which I won't allow > > > near > > > any nak on a simple compo/boombox and listening to dirty and scratched > > > LPs. > > > I failed in talking her to buy a nitty gritty cleaner ... :-( BTW > > > anybody > > > wants to junk such LP cleaner please contact me (offline !! :-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Girls on Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > Many years ago, I sold a modest sound system to one of > > > > the foremost entertainers in a far away country. She > > > > was a poet, composer and singer -- the whole country > > > > was humming her music. She said to me, "I don't need a > > > > super sound system. Some people luxuriate in the sound > > > > as if it was nectar... To me, it's just work...". > > > > > > > > My own sister intended to become a concert pianist (a > > > > blood clot in her wrist eventually put an end to this > > > > dream). When she asked me for a sound system, she > > > > explained she didn't care about 'High Fidelity'. "I > > > > don't need it to sound as in a concert hall. It sounds > > > > exactly like I want it to -- in my head". > > > > > > > > I suspect that men are taken by the sound. Women > > > > couldn't care less about sound. All they want is to > > > > hear the music. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine sold a pair of expensive Quads to a > > > > > girl. She was a musician too. There are infact lots of girls > > > interested > > > > > in audio equipment, almost all of them are musicians. > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Granted, though it's rare, there are a few females who have an > > > appreciation > > > > > > for the finer things in the audio world. I recently sold a TEAC > > > X-700R reel > > > > > > to reel, and to my surprise the high bidder was a girl in > > > California.....not > > > > > > a guy using his wife's e-mail address.....I actually spoke to her > > > on > > > the > > > > > > phone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Turned out she's a musician (drummer) who wanted to transfer some > > > recording > > > > > > sessions to digital MP3. > > > > > > > > > > > > But yes, it is the exception. My wife would, any day, spend the > > > money > > > on a > > > > > > trip or a new piece of furniture before considering buying a > > > 1000ZXL > > > or any > > > > > > other piece of gadgetry for that matter. Must be something > > > genetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a lot of friends (female) who have stereos, but they are > > > all, > > > Sony, > > > > > > or Aiwa or something worse. Usually the all-in-one > > > > > > type of systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to hear more about Jennifer's setup. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sat Aug 4 20:26:41 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:26:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes In-Reply-To: <74.e1caea5.289cde10@aol.com> Message-ID: Sam - to clarify, the TAPE in SM is the same as SA. SM-X is the same as SA-X. Of course, we are talking today's SA and SA-X. I do not know, maybe I am nostalgic, but somehow, the older tapes, the older everything, seems to have been built better. I personally like CD's. I understand that a top notch analog system is considered by many better, I like the convenience. However, what I miss is putting the album on the turntable, looking at the big cover, as opposed to a small CD Box, that often times breaks here and there while you try to get rid of all the tape and labels. I have a couple of boxes of SM-X tape. Plus some SA-X, SA-XS, MA, MA-X, Sony Metal, Maxell MX-s, (and my secret underdog, FUJI Z-Metal). My sons just went for a week long vacation, my wife v 1.0 surplused me a year ago, and the Version 2.0 will not be arriving from Europe until the Fall (unless the Immigration office does something unusual), so I can do some testing ... However, it will be on CR4A, SONY XA20ES CD, via Adcom 565 preamp and MIT 2 interconnects. I will keep you posted. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Sat, August 04, 2001 12:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:14:25 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << To complicate things, the TDK SA-XS, I bought last year in Poland, also has the screws, same mechanism as SA described in this note, except it is also Heat Resistant (good for cars.)And, the font, and the overall feel of the cassette is more expensive than the professional SM-X - more along the lines of Maxell MX-S. Stan >> Hi Stan, You know, to me the SM-X Pro feels like an older TDK SA-90. Not quite the rugged feel of a Maxell XL-II, but more solid than the last batch of SA-X 90 and MA 90's I purchased at my local Tower Records. I thought someone made a posting several months ago during our blank tape discussion that the SM-X Pro was the same tape as the SA-90. I will pick up some SA 90's this weekend to experiment with. All I can say is that I am very happy and surprised by the results of the SM-X Pro. If you find one in your area (check your local Guitar Center or Sam Ash stores) experiment with one and let us all know of your results. Now keep in mind that I used very clean and clear source materials, and that my CR-7 was just tuned and modified by Stephen Sank. I'm sure that plays a major role in my wonderful results. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Aug 5 06:13:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:43:01 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] FTP site for naktalkers Message-ID: <20010805041301.D55A311496E@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 5 06:30:08 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:30:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] "NAK TOP 10" References: <331EFD6C.40AECC1D.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Message-ID: <000e01c11d6a$c043eb20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Priority list if I can only have one Nak deck: 1. Dragon 2. CR7 3. 1000zxl 4. 700zxl/e 5. ZX9/7 6. 682zx 7. RX505 8. LX5 9. 680zx 10. CR4 On a limited cost for total system, scratch 1000zxl and add 582/z on the bottom. Looks like I'm more into features than sonics ... well they all sound awesome anyway. The ultimate 'magic combo' for me is Dragon with a manual pb trim / defeatable naac and of course CR7 (transparency) with old nak transport (reliability). Best-bang-for-the-buck or every-home-should-have-one deck is BX300. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 5 06:53:39 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:53:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! References: <3B665BB6.CC2BDDA2@xs4all.nl> <02c701c119a4$10688220$823442cf@sank1> <002901c119c2$be600c40$4f289bca@smarzuki> <033901c119ee$39f2aa40$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000f01c11d6a$c381ff20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen and Scott, I finally had the courage to disassemble my TD (700) without manual to get into defunct tone control board. Turned out that the pot went bad and I swapped that with one from trashed TD500's. What a pain !!! Is there any easier way to replace the belt ? Thanks for the tips Stephen, now PB level is balanced with tuner output. BTW, the trashed TD500 has that 'mode control' motor fault in which the lights keep lighting alternately ... but inside I can only see solenoids. Is there any hope left ? Scott, do you have the service manual on file format ? It's kinda amazing to see a full sized Nak motor & pulley inside mobile deck. Head looks similar to that of home deck's except the angle ... and nak should've put a padlifter on this double capstan deck. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > You can reduce the Pb levels. If you pop the top, then look at the left end > of the vertical circuit board right behind the deck, you will see two handy > trimpots right at the top of the board. These are L&R Pb levels. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 5 08:37:03 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TD700 service manual In-Reply-To: <000f01c11d6a$c381ff20$5d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010805063703.11927.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Wouter, I have the TD-700 service manual, but, it's not in the computer yet. What parts do you need and I'll scan those right away. (mechanical exploded view, schematic, calibration info?) SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Stephen and Scott, > > I finally had the courage to disassemble my TD (700) > without manual to get > into defunct tone control board. Turned out that > the pot went bad and I > swapped that with one from trashed TD500's. What a > pain !!! Is there any > easier way to replace the belt ? Thanks for the > tips Stephen, now PB level > is balanced with tuner output. > > BTW, the trashed TD500 has that 'mode control' motor > fault in which the > lights keep lighting alternately ... but inside I > can only see solenoids. > Is there any hope left ? > > Scott, do you have the service manual on file format > ? It's kinda amazing > to see a full sized Nak motor & pulley inside mobile > deck. Head looks > similar to that of home deck's except the angle ... > and nak should've put a > padlifter on this double capstan deck. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my first TD (700)! > > > > You can reduce the Pb levels. If you pop the top, > then look at the left > end > > of the vertical circuit board right behind the > deck, you will see two > handy > > trimpots right at the top of the board. These are > L&R Pb levels. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Sun Aug 5 11:18:18 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:18:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... Message-ID: <20010805092128.YBOB29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Kannan, thanks, I downloaded the 1000ZXL, the LX5 and the 582 reviews. Please check the Stereo Review test results. They are perfectly comparable because they follow (although conducted over a few years' time) the same procedure. Note however, that the test tapes for wow and flutter change, therefore I will not consider the wow and flutter results. It seems pretty obvious that already in 1981 Nakamichi had built a deck that bettered the 1000ZXL practically in every respect: frequency response curves - look at the 0dB curve, third harmonic distortion at 0 dB, S/N ratios (only compare the unwtd figures; as for the others don't forget to add approx. 1dB or more to the CCIR figures against the 'A' ones), and so on - please read the reviews for the full story. As for HF response please note the 582 response with ZX tape (Audio review): 11 Hz to 25.2 Khz (-3dB). 3 head Naks have always had exceptional HF performance (the 682 ZX for example easily reached 25-26 Khz with a wide variety of tapes). The 1000 is one hell of a tape deck, nostalgia is fine for me, but tech facts are another matter. P.S.: I have scanned the Suono review (a quick trip to my girlfriend's computer...) and I'll make it available as soon as possible. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 5 12:45:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:45:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 service manual References: <20010805063703.11927.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c11d9b$cef9d360$5e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Scott, If you ask me / Salim, then I only need schematics (first) and exploded mechanical (second). :-) Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 service manual > Wouter, > I have the TD-700 service manual, but, it's not in the > computer yet. What parts do you need and I'll scan > those right away. (mechanical exploded view, > schematic, calibration info?) > > SJ > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Stephen and Scott, > > > > I finally had the courage to disassemble my TD (700) > > without manual to get > > into defunct tone control board. Turned out that > > the pot went bad and I > > swapped that with one from trashed TD500's. What a > > pain !!! Is there any > > easier way to replace the belt ? Thanks for the > > tips Stephen, now PB level > > is balanced with tuner output. > > > > BTW, the trashed TD500 has that 'mode control' motor > > fault in which the > > lights keep lighting alternately ... but inside I > > can only see solenoids. > > Is there any hope left ? > > > > Scott, do you have the service manual on file format > > ? It's kinda amazing > > to see a full sized Nak motor & pulley inside mobile > > deck. Head looks > > similar to that of home deck's except the angle ... > > and nak should've put a > > padlifter on this double capstan deck. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 5 13:09:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:09:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... References: <20010805092128.YBOB29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <001401c11d9f$234032e0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Paolo, Maybe you meant the original 1000 or 1000 II ? The 1000zxl 'computing cassette deck' is still in 1984 model lineup costing some cool $3800 way above Dragon $1850, ZX9 $1550, ZX7 $1250 and LX5 $850 ! Doesn't make sense if Nak selling inferior model to 582 or LX5 at 5 times the price :-). Another thing is that although I believe in specs, I don't think they tell the whole story. One nice example is 682zx vs CR7. Despite 682's 25-26k .... CR7 sounds incredibly "clear" with its -3db point at 20k. IMHO, it is especially true in the world of 3 head naks where specs are almost similar, but sonic differences are noticable (bx300 vs cr4 vs cr5 etc). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Cipollone" To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... > Kannan, > > thanks, I downloaded the 1000ZXL, the LX5 and the 582 reviews. > > Please check the Stereo Review test results. They are perfectly comparable > because they follow (although conducted over a few years' time) the same > procedure. Note however, that the test tapes for wow and flutter change, > therefore I will not consider the wow and flutter results. > It seems pretty obvious that already in 1981 Nakamichi had built a deck > that bettered the 1000ZXL practically in every respect: frequency response > curves - look at the 0dB curve, third harmonic distortion at 0 dB, S/N > ratios (only compare the unwtd figures; as for the others don't forget to > add approx. 1dB or more to the CCIR figures against the 'A' ones), and so > on - please read the reviews for the full story. > As for HF response please note the 582 response with ZX tape (Audio > review): 11 Hz to 25.2 Khz (-3dB). 3 head Naks have always had exceptional > HF performance (the 682 ZX for example easily reached 25-26 Khz with a > wide variety of tapes). > The 1000 is one hell of a tape deck, nostalgia is fine for me, but tech > facts are another matter. > > P.S.: I have scanned the Suono review (a quick trip to my girlfriend's > computer...) and I'll make it available as soon as possible. > > Paolo > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Sun Aug 5 14:06:37 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 07:06:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... In-Reply-To: <001401c11d9f$234032e0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: I agree. Specs do not tell everything. Also, it is important to compare specs between the same magazines. I used to read UK's HIFI Choice, and American High Fidelity, Stereo Review, and Audio. It seemed that Audio would always have the broadest frequency response ratings, something along -3db at 25 kHz for wide range of decks. The Stereo Review would be somewhat most conservative. HiFi Choice had a lot of graphs showing different responses for no Dolby, Dolby B, Dolby C, etc. Per Nakamichi, 1000ZXL and 700ZXL/E seemed to have had widest frequency response 23 / 25 kHz at -3 dB. 680/682ZX had 22 kHz at -3dB, CR7 and CR4 21 kHz at - 3dB. I think, the more amazing is the low frequency response of Nak three had tape decks, well under 20 Hz at -3dB. Specs should be specs, however, there have been so many decks on the market, whose manufacturers or reviewers measured frequency response wider than 20-20,000 +/- 3dB (Sony TCK3ES, JVC TD-V66, Onkyo TA2090, Yamaha K-1020/K1200, B&O 9000, Pioneer CT95/CT93/CT91/CT-A9, etc.) - yet most of the people in this group would agree that let's say middle of the pack BX300 would be a better sounding unit, more musical, more natural than perhaps all of these units. Salim's point about sound differences between almost identically spec'd Naks, CR4/5 and BX300 is probably the best illustrator of this point. Stephen's past posts about complexity or simplicity of wiring in different models suggest, that there may be enough differences in signal path. Look at the specs of CD players. All of them are more or less the same, FR 5-20,000 +/- 0.5dB, S/N > 100 dB, etc., yet you can easily tell the difference between many of these units. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Sun, August 05, 2001 6:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reviews... Hi Paolo, Maybe you meant the original 1000 or 1000 II ? The 1000zxl 'computing cassette deck' is still in 1984 model lineup costing some cool $3800 way above Dragon $1850, ZX9 $1550, ZX7 $1250 and LX5 $850 ! Doesn't make sense if Nak selling inferior model to 582 or LX5 at 5 times the price :-). Another thing is that although I believe in specs, I don't think they tell the whole story. One nice example is 682zx vs CR7. Despite 682's 25-26k .... CR7 sounds incredibly "clear" with its -3db point at 20k. IMHO, it is especially true in the world of 3 head naks where specs are almost similar, but sonic differences are noticable (bx300 vs cr4 vs cr5 etc). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Cipollone" To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... > Kannan, > > thanks, I downloaded the 1000ZXL, the LX5 and the 582 reviews. > > Please check the Stereo Review test results. They are perfectly comparable > because they follow (although conducted over a few years' time) the same > procedure. Note however, that the test tapes for wow and flutter change, > therefore I will not consider the wow and flutter results. > It seems pretty obvious that already in 1981 Nakamichi had built a deck > that bettered the 1000ZXL practically in every respect: frequency response > curves - look at the 0dB curve, third harmonic distortion at 0 dB, S/N > ratios (only compare the unwtd figures; as for the others don't forget to > add approx. 1dB or more to the CCIR figures against the 'A' ones), and so > on - please read the reviews for the full story. > As for HF response please note the 582 response with ZX tape (Audio > review): 11 Hz to 25.2 Khz (-3dB). 3 head Naks have always had exceptional > HF performance (the 682 ZX for example easily reached 25-26 Khz with a > wide variety of tapes). > The 1000 is one hell of a tape deck, nostalgia is fine for me, but tech > facts are another matter. > > P.S.: I have scanned the Suono review (a quick trip to my girlfriend's > computer...) and I'll make it available as soon as possible. > > Paolo > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The 1000zxl 'computing > cassette deck' is still in 1984 model lineup costing some cool $3800 way > above Dragon $1850, ZX9 $1550, ZX7 $1250 and LX5 $850 ! Doesn't make sense > if Nak selling inferior model to 582 or LX5 at 5 times the price :-). > > Another thing is that although I believe in specs, I don't think they tell > the whole story. I think that complete specs do tell the complete story. unfortunately, most specs are hardly ever measured -- let alone, published. > One nice example is 682zx vs CR7. Despite 682's 25-26k > .... CR7 sounds incredibly "clear" with its -3db point at 20k. This illustrates my point. Clarity has to do with low distortion, low noise and good stability (none of which are provided). Frequency response, by itself, does not imply clarity. -- Ron > IMHO, it is > especially true in the world of 3 head naks where specs are almost similar, > but sonic differences are noticable (bx300 vs cr4 vs cr5 etc). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Cipollone" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... > > > Kannan, > > > > thanks, I downloaded the 1000ZXL, the LX5 and the 582 reviews. > > > > Please check the Stereo Review test results. They are perfectly comparable > > because they follow (although conducted over a few years' time) the same > > procedure. Note however, that the test tapes for wow and flutter change, > > therefore I will not consider the wow and flutter results. > > It seems pretty obvious that already in 1981 Nakamichi had built a deck > > that bettered the 1000ZXL practically in every respect: frequency response > > curves - look at the 0dB curve, third harmonic distortion at 0 dB, S/N > > ratios (only compare the unwtd figures; as for the others don't forget to > > add approx. 1dB or more to the CCIR figures against the 'A' ones), and so > > on - please read the reviews for the full story. > > As for HF response please note the 582 response with ZX tape (Audio > > review): 11 Hz to 25.2 Khz (-3dB). 3 head Naks have always had exceptional > > HF performance (the 682 ZX for example easily reached 25-26 Khz with a > > wide variety of tapes). > > The 1000 is one hell of a tape deck, nostalgia is fine for me, but tech > > facts are another matter. > > > > P.S.: I have scanned the Suono review (a quick trip to my girlfriend's > > computer...) and I'll make it available as soon as possible. > > > > Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 5 23:00:53 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 04:00:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reviews... References: <20010805092128.YBOB29223.fep19-svc.tin.it@juqcci> <001401c11d9f$234032e0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B6D8D2C.B60B0D2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c11df1$cbfa8000$42289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Of course noticable differences that we hear on these decks should amount to some real spec differences, whether those diffs are measurable or not. What I meant by 'specifications' was published ones in general terms - ones used by reviews / mags and so on - is not enough to tell which deck is "better" than the other one. Even by Nak standard, its own publications show similar spec for CR7 and Dragon on FR, S/N (low noise), and THD (low distortion). Plus you have old nak transport which implies good stability with 0.019% W&F from double direct drive on a Dragon. With all these Nak measured specs favoring Dragon for clarity, we know that the reverse is true ... CR7 is still a tad ahead ! Precisely what Stan said, we can see excellent specs on Sonys Pioneers - but they simply don't have that 'full' Nakamichi sound. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reviews... > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Paolo, > > > > Maybe you meant the original 1000 or 1000 II ? The 1000zxl 'computing > > cassette deck' is still in 1984 model lineup costing some cool $3800 way > > above Dragon $1850, ZX9 $1550, ZX7 $1250 and LX5 $850 ! Doesn't make sense > > if Nak selling inferior model to 582 or LX5 at 5 times the price :-). > > > > Another thing is that although I believe in specs, I don't think they tell > > the whole story. > > I think that complete specs do tell the complete story. > unfortunately, most specs are hardly ever measured -- > let alone, published. > > > One nice example is 682zx vs CR7. Despite 682's 25-26k > > .... CR7 sounds incredibly "clear" with its -3db point at 20k. > > This illustrates my point. Clarity has to do with low > distortion, low noise and good stability (none of which > are provided). Frequency response, by itself, does not > imply clarity. > > -- Ron > > > > IMHO, it is > > especially true in the world of 3 head naks where specs are almost similar, > > but sonic differences are noticable (bx300 vs cr4 vs cr5 etc). > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Mon Aug 6 00:20:24 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:20:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reply Message-ID: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Salim, Stan, Ron, since my message was directed to Kannan, and was a reply to him, I understand that my statements, taken alone, did not make much sense. Of course I agree with you about measurements, let alone specs, telling only a fraction of the whole story. I have used and calibrated lots of recorders some of which with excellent specs that were plain *awful* (Technics stuff and the like). The message was part of a debate originating by Kannan saying the 1000 ZXL was without any doubts the best recorder ever, especially in terms of specs and in terms of HF performance (you know, the 25 Khz issue). Of course a very respectable opinion, but I disagree, as my all time favourite is the CR7, which I own :-). My opinion is that almost 10 years' technology have not passed in vain. What I was trying to point out, was that (and I urge you to read the Stereo Review tests) even a humble (compared to a 1000 ZXL) and more recent LX5 could fare very well on the test bench (actually beating the 1000 in about every respect). So my point was exactly the opposite that came out of my message. BTW Salim, please take a look at the CR7 brochure. The curves published have definitely no roll-off at 20 Khz. They are flat within a fraction of a dB at -20, -10, and 0db (with Dolby C engaged) up to 20 Khz (upper measurement limit) and rather seem to belong to a DAT machine... P.S.: The CR7 (as I already wrote) has been regarded as "the finest example of cassette recording technology ever produced" by Nakamichi themselves. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Aug 6 01:00:19 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:00:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... In-Reply-To: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: Paolo - welcome to the board. You make some good points. I agree with you that 1000ZXL may not be the ultimate, many on this board voted either CR7 or ZX9 the best already. (OK, or Dragon.) It is good to have an Italian connection on Naktalk. I spent some wonderful three weeks in your country, way back in 1981, with my high school trip from Warszawa - Venice, Florence, Bologna, Pompea, Rome, Vaticano, San Marino. We wanted to see the Pope, yet he was in the hospital ... I love hifi audio, women, watches, and children ... I do not know why, I have no problem spending $5K on a watch (Zenith or Patek), yet I deliberate on a tape deck. My best is CR4. Instead of my ZENITH Chronometer I could have had any Nakamichi deck. Yet, the Zenith, which is less accurate than my Son's Casio, will be worth more in a few years than any Nakamichi Deck. As far as women ... The good ones are worth more than gold or platinum. Treasure the ones that are nice to you ... Advice of a 35 year-old divorced father of two ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paolo Cipollone Sent: Sun, August 05, 2001 5:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Reply Salim, Stan, Ron, since my message was directed to Kannan, and was a reply to him, I understand that my statements, taken alone, did not make much sense. Of course I agree with you about measurements, let alone specs, telling only a fraction of the whole story. I have used and calibrated lots of recorders some of which with excellent specs that were plain *awful* (Technics stuff and the like). The message was part of a debate originating by Kannan saying the 1000 ZXL was without any doubts the best recorder ever, especially in terms of specs and in terms of HF performance (you know, the 25 Khz issue). Of course a very respectable opinion, but I disagree, as my all time favourite is the CR7, which I own :-). My opinion is that almost 10 years' technology have not passed in vain. What I was trying to point out, was that (and I urge you to read the Stereo Review tests) even a humble (compared to a 1000 ZXL) and more recent LX5 could fare very well on the test bench (actually beating the 1000 in about every respect). So my point was exactly the opposite that came out of my message. BTW Salim, please take a look at the CR7 brochure. The curves published have definitely no roll-off at 20 Khz. They are flat within a fraction of a dB at -20, -10, and 0db (with Dolby C engaged) up to 20 Khz (upper measurement limit) and rather seem to belong to a DAT machine... P.S.: The CR7 (as I already wrote) has been regarded as "the finest example of cassette recording technology ever produced" by Nakamichi themselves. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I got all these CD's from local libraries in Arizona, California, and Minnesota, people at work, neighbors, and friends. Anyway today I noticed at Price Costco in Phoenix, Arizona that a ten pack of TDK SA90 were selling at $6.77 plus tax. I believe this is the cheapest price of TDK SA90's anybody has seen in the U.S. Yes - these SA90 tapes say on the label 'Made in Japan'. - Mark Phoenix, Arizona -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 03:50:39 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:50:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reply References: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <001801c11e1a$32507080$50289bca@smarzuki> Hi Paolo, Sorry to interrupt and to misunderstand your post at the same time. :-) Completely agree that 1000zxl is not 5 times better than LX5, although some nakfellows here have been extremely lucky in getting 1000zxl at about lx5 price. Off topic speaking we have another thing in common ... paying 'millions' for our naks ! A bit more country related, my favorite car amp is Audison, and I'm using RCF sub, too bad that company went belly up. Best regards, Salim SM (from Indonesia) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Cipollone" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Reply > Salim, Stan, Ron, > > since my message was directed to Kannan, and was a reply to him, I > understand that my statements, taken alone, did not make much sense. > Of course I agree with you about measurements, let alone specs, telling > only a fraction of the whole story. I have used and calibrated lots of > recorders some of which with excellent specs that were plain *awful* > (Technics stuff and the like). > The message was part of a debate originating by Kannan saying the 1000 ZXL > was without any doubts the best recorder ever, especially in terms of specs > and in terms of HF performance (you know, the 25 Khz issue). Of course a > very respectable opinion, but I disagree, as my all time favourite is the > CR7, which I own :-). My opinion is that almost 10 years' technology have > not passed in vain. What I was trying to point out, was that (and I urge > you to read the Stereo Review tests) even a humble (compared to a 1000 ZXL) > and more recent LX5 could fare very well on the test bench (actually > beating the 1000 in about every respect). So my point was exactly the > opposite that came out of my message. > > BTW Salim, please take a look at the CR7 brochure. The curves published > have definitely no roll-off at 20 Khz. They are flat within a fraction of a > dB at -20, -10, and 0db (with Dolby C engaged) up to 20 Khz (upper > measurement limit) and rather seem to belong to a DAT machine... > > P.S.: The CR7 (as I already wrote) has been regarded as "the finest example > of cassette recording technology ever produced" by Nakamichi themselves. > > Paolo > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 03:59:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:59:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 service manual References: <20010805063703.11927.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c11e1b$6b07ad20$50289bca@smarzuki> Bizarre but true story: I almost fainted hearing extremely loud pop when my TD is turned on / off ! Right channel gave out minus 0.5Vdc reading when music is playing and 0Vdc when changing modes, that loud pop resulted from sudden voltage change. Took out the implanted tone board, replaced op amp, still the same. Noticed two orange caps (yes ! they're everywhere !!!), replaced the one for right channel, noise vanished ! This is sooo unreal. :-) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 service manual > Wouter, > I have the TD-700 service manual, but, it's not in the > computer yet. What parts do you need and I'll scan > those right away. (mechanical exploded view, > schematic, calibration info?) > > SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 04:37:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:37:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> <001801c11e1a$32507080$50289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B6E02DD.FAF21846@earthlink.net> I never considered that there might be any serious car audiophiles here on Naktalk, but with all the discussion of the Nak TDs, it only makes sense that there would be. Salim, I haven't heard the Italian made Audison amps but they definitely enjoy a good reputation. My system consists of the following: A very unusual Pioneer system that doesn't involve the traditional head unit. Instead it includes a hide away component tuner, preamp controller and 6 disc CD changer (the nearly skip proof CDX-M30) Esoteric Audio E7152 amp (600 watts, bridged, into 4 ohms) used to drive my subwoofer Genesis Dual Mono amp (100 watts per channel into 4 ohms) to drive my Dynaudio Dynaudio 340 (1.1" silk dome tweeters, 3" dome midranges and 5" midwoofers) Illusion Audio ND10 10" subwoofer installed in a custom sealed 0.9 ft^3 enclosure Because of the lack of head unit and design of the system, it is almost completely stealth. I don't have to worry about thieves, thanks goodness. Also, all seven drivers are installed such that I am within 15 degrees of being on axis and the distance from each driver to my ear is within 2". Having been an audiophile from a young age and a former recording engineer, I've been completely spoiled by and very critical of high end audio, and yet I can actually get in my SUV and listen for hours. Until I starting researching and installing my system, I had NO idea that a car audio system could sound so enjoyable. Anyone else have an interesting car system? Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Paolo, > > Sorry to interrupt and to misunderstand your post at the same time. :-) > Completely agree that 1000zxl is not 5 times better than LX5, although some > nakfellows here have been extremely lucky in getting 1000zxl at about lx5 > price. > > Off topic speaking we have another thing in common ... paying 'millions' for > our naks ! A bit more country related, my favorite car amp is Audison, and > I'm using RCF sub, too bad that company went belly up. > > Best regards, > Salim SM (from Indonesia) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Aug 6 06:50:27 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:50:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... References: Message-ID: <003501c11e33$5034fda0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> well it's nice to see that some of us have our priorities straight.... though for me the first two are a tie.. eire > I love hifi audio, women, watches, and children ... I do not know why, I > have no problem spending $5K on a watch (Zenith or Patek), yet I deliberate > on a tape deck. My best is CR4. Instead of my ZENITH Chronometer I could > have had any Nakamichi deck. Yet, the Zenith, which is less accurate than my > Son's Casio, will be worth more in a few years than any Nakamichi Deck. > > As far as women ... The good ones are worth more than gold or platinum. > Treasure the ones that are nice to you ... Advice of a 35 year-old divorced > father of two ... > > Stan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 6 05:12:19 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:12:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell In-Reply-To: <12e.2667c56.289c48d2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B6E97B6.13264.75800A@localhost> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Thanks Jason. Can you purchase the Sony Metal ES in AU? Have yet to see it here in Brisbane, maybe so in Sydney :-\ Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 6 05:30:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:00:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... Message-ID: <20010806033016.B1F0D114963@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Name: not available URL: From moklaba at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 06:03:11 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (Jeff Yee) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <3B6E02DD.FAF21846@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010806040311.14617.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, This string is right up my alley...I have an "old school" (all components are nearly 6-7 years old now) system that's still kicking in my SUV. Alpine 7294S Cassette/Shuttle control Alpine 5959S 6 disc CD shuttle ads PQ-20 4x70 amplifier ads 200i center channel ads 320is separates - 5 1/4" driver w/ separate tweeters for the fronts Boston Pro series 5 1/4" woofers for rear fill Used to have an Eclipse EQS-1000 DSP/surround sound unit (what the hell? I'm like toys), but it recently discovered there was short in it that was draining my battery so I had to remove it. Also, have two 10" Boston Pro Series woofers, but never had the heart to drill into the bed of my SUV and install them. I Also have a Nak TD-700 (in "reserve") waiting to be resurrected by Stephen when I get a chance, but currently there is no way to integrate this in my existing system. Hope to use it sometime in the future. I used to use it with an Alpine preamp controller which allowed me to integrate my Nak with the CD changer, but when the Nak went on the blink, I opted for a good deal/convenience of the Alpine deck. Interesting story about my TD-700...I had wanted one for years, but couldn't afford to drop the $995 entry fee. Back in '91, I was scanning the Washington Post Weekend section and saw an ad for a store clearing their ONLY demo unit out for dirt cheap. I called the store as soon as it opened, told them to hold it for me, and picked it up on my lunch hour. Think I bought it for $395. Just a minor problem with it now...but I believe it's fixable. A good Nak home deck with a good Nak TD-series car deck is tough combo to beat. Jeff --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > I never considered that there might be any serious > car audiophiles here > on Naktalk, but with all the discussion of the Nak > TDs, it only makes > sense that there would be. > > Salim, I haven't heard the Italian made Audison amps > but they definitely > enjoy a good reputation. > > My system consists of the following: > > A very unusual Pioneer system that doesn't involve > the traditional head > unit. Instead it includes a hide away component > tuner, preamp controller > and 6 disc CD changer (the nearly skip proof > CDX-M30) > Esoteric Audio E7152 amp (600 watts, bridged, into 4 > ohms) used to drive > my subwoofer > Genesis Dual Mono amp (100 watts per channel into 4 > ohms) to drive my > Dynaudio > Dynaudio 340 (1.1" silk dome tweeters, 3" dome > midranges and 5" > midwoofers) > Illusion Audio ND10 10" subwoofer installed in a > custom sealed 0.9 ft^3 > enclosure > > Because of the lack of head unit and design of the > system, it is almost > completely stealth. I don't have to worry about > thieves, thanks > goodness. Also, all seven drivers are installed such > that I am within 15 > degrees of being on axis and the distance from each > driver to my ear is > within 2". > > Having been an audiophile from a young age and a > former recording > engineer, I've been completely spoiled by and very > critical of high end > audio, and yet I can actually get in my SUV and > listen for hours. Until > I starting researching and installing my system, I > had NO idea that a > car audio system could sound so enjoyable. > > Anyone else have an interesting car system? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Paolo, > > > > Sorry to interrupt and to misunderstand your post > at the same time. :-) > > Completely agree that 1000zxl is not 5 times > better than LX5, although some > > nakfellows here have been extremely lucky in > getting 1000zxl at about lx5 > > price. > > > > Off topic speaking we have another thing in common > ... paying 'millions' for > > our naks ! A bit more country related, my > favorite car amp is Audison, and > > I'm using RCF sub, too bad that company went belly > up. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM (from Indonesia) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 6 06:22:07 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:52:07 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <20010806042207.B0720114999@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 06:28:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:28:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... Message-ID: <20010806042823.PGGS1871.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Following one comment awhile ago about women being smarter seems like men are more zen like and honest in making statement like this... Now, how many times you hear women saying “I love men as much as my jewelry” ? It’s clear cut line, accessories first ! Cheers, SM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:50:27 -0700 From: "erie patsellis" Subject: Re: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... well it's nice to see that some of us have our priorities straight.... though for me the first two are a tie.. eire > I love hifi audio, women, watches, and children ... I do not know why, I > have no problem spending $5K on a watch (Zenith or Patek), yet I deliberate > on a tape deck. My best is CR4. Instead of my ZENITH Chronometer I could ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 08:42:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:42:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> <001801c11e1a$32507080$50289bca@smarzuki> <3B6E02DD.FAF21846@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c11e42$edd7c420$57289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim and Jeff, TD700 price was $1000 ??? For that price Nak should've at least put a decent tuner in it !! Stephen, any ideas to tweak the tuner ... :-( I agree that Nak recorded tape inside a TD700 sounds amazing, and yes too bad we can't integrate TD to our system. My car system are old stuff, just like nak, centered around a sony cd changer bought waaay back then when reliability per price was of primary concern - and a matching sony U880 is needed, hey, the tuner is much better than that of TD. Speaker is Focal 6" / TN46 through Audison LR435XR - also for Boston 797 rear fill, with a pair of JL audio 12W5 sub through Audison LR270 Supercurrent and Audison LXR2 crossover. U880 is in service shop now and TD700 takes its place temporarily. Family UV has same sony cdp + U880 tuner deck with 6" Diamond Hex speaker (I consider that as an Eton :-) with Audison LR3042. Sub is pair of inwall JL audio 10W1 through homemade xo and soundstream mc300 - also used for old 6" boston splits 'rear fill'. If I can start over again I'll go for alpine or maybe nak changer+head unit, with same amps & speakers. Tried a dynaudio 6" 2way but ended up stuffing those in a box and put em in my room ! The RCF W300 musical sub is also inside a box below the dyn. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > I never considered that there might be any serious car audiophiles here > on Naktalk, but with all the discussion of the Nak TDs, it only makes > sense that there would be. > > Salim, I haven't heard the Italian made Audison amps but they definitely > enjoy a good reputation. > > My system consists of the following: > > A very unusual Pioneer system that doesn't involve the traditional head > unit. Instead it includes a hide away component tuner, preamp controller > and 6 disc CD changer (the nearly skip proof CDX-M30) > Esoteric Audio E7152 amp (600 watts, bridged, into 4 ohms) used to drive > my subwoofer > Genesis Dual Mono amp (100 watts per channel into 4 ohms) to drive my > Dynaudio > Dynaudio 340 (1.1" silk dome tweeters, 3" dome midranges and 5" > midwoofers) > Illusion Audio ND10 10" subwoofer installed in a custom sealed 0.9 ft^3 > enclosure > > Because of the lack of head unit and design of the system, it is almost > completely stealth. I don't have to worry about thieves, thanks > goodness. Also, all seven drivers are installed such that I am within 15 > degrees of being on axis and the distance from each driver to my ear is > within 2". > > Having been an audiophile from a young age and a former recording > engineer, I've been completely spoiled by and very critical of high end > audio, and yet I can actually get in my SUV and listen for hours. Until > I starting researching and installing my system, I had NO idea that a > car audio system could sound so enjoyable. > > Anyone else have an interesting car system? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Paolo, > > > > Sorry to interrupt and to misunderstand your post at the same time. :-) > > Completely agree that 1000zxl is not 5 times better than LX5, although some > > nakfellows here have been extremely lucky in getting 1000zxl at about lx5 > > price. > > > > Off topic speaking we have another thing in common ... paying 'millions' for > > our naks ! A bit more country related, my favorite car amp is Audison, and > > I'm using RCF sub, too bad that company went belly up. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM (from Indonesia) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 08:59:51 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <000f01c11e42$edd7c420$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Any chance in getting a Moscode amp for the car? :-) SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Jim and Jeff, > > TD700 price was $1000 ??? For that price Nak > should've at least put a > decent tuner in it !! Stephen, any ideas to tweak > the tuner ... :-( I > agree that Nak recorded tape inside a TD700 sounds > amazing, and yes too bad > we can't integrate TD to our system. > > My car system are old stuff, just like nak, centered > around a sony cd > changer bought waaay back then when reliability per > price was of primary > concern - and a matching sony U880 is needed, hey, > the tuner is much better > than that of TD. Speaker is Focal 6" / TN46 through > Audison LR435XR - also > for Boston 797 rear fill, with a pair of JL audio > 12W5 sub through Audison > LR270 Supercurrent and Audison LXR2 crossover. U880 > is in service shop now > and TD700 takes its place temporarily. > > Family UV has same sony cdp + U880 tuner deck with > 6" Diamond Hex speaker (I > consider that as an Eton :-) with Audison LR3042. > Sub is pair of inwall JL > audio 10W1 through homemade xo and soundstream mc300 > - also used for old 6" > boston splits 'rear fill'. If I can start over > again I'll go for alpine or > maybe nak changer+head unit, with same amps & > speakers. > > Tried a dynaudio 6" 2way but ended up stuffing those > in a box and put em in > my room ! The RCF W300 musical sub is also inside a > box below the dyn. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 6 09:14:31 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:14:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... In-Reply-To: <20010806042823.PGGS1871.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3B6ED076.21289.5F6B98@localhost> smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > Following one comment awhile ago about women being smarter seems like men > are more zen like and honest in making statement like this... Now, how many > times you hear women saying “I love men as much as my jewelry” ? > It’s clear cut line, accessories first ! women... *sigh* Just yesterday I was treated to another stellar display of their nature just after Megadeth's concert [they were here in Brisbane and they were awesome] There was this female next to me who was sweet-talking the security guys into giving her one of the band's guitar picks [highly collectible]. She got lucky and one guy gave her a bunch of five or six. As I play the guitar and adore the band, I asked her for one. Instead, she grabbed the lot, turned utterly hostile and just took off. In retrospect I should be glad she didn't scream rape *grins wryly* - women are well-known for their manipulating skills, and society has always favoured the "weaker" sex. Ah well. If I was her I would've given her half or at least one, and distributed all but one or two to the other fans desperately trying to locate picks at the time. I guess they do not understand the joy of giving like males do. A very pissed-off Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 09:15:08 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:15:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <064a01c11b3c$324d50c0$823442cf@sank1> <3B6992D0.3AD2FFA5@telcel.net.ve> <06c101c11baf$d0a0a420$823442cf@sank1> <3B6A214E.11332D08@telcel.net.ve> <07b301c11bf7$f6826fa0$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003001c11e47$86cedde0$57289bca@smarzuki> Yesterday I spotted a gold colored Quad preamp (not the 4xx series), any opinion on this esp compared to Mac and ... Adcom (grin) ? Does this Brit preamp have good clarity ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > You're using a CA-7A? Ouch! Yes, both the C33 & Apt preamps are far better > than the CA-7A. The CA-7A is gorgeous both inside & out, but dreadful > sounding. Really hurt sales of the superb PA-5/7 amps is was almost always > demo'd with. I'm quite sure your jaw will drop when you listen to the Mac. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 09:25:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:25:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> Scott, I'm not sure if you were be facetious or not but there are a couple of companies making well regarded automobile tube amps. http://www.milbert.com/ http://www.tubedriver.com/ The Milbert amps are a pure tube design created and built by David Berning. I haven't heard them yet but I have a problem with the idea of using a pure tube design given all of the vibration of a moving vehicle. The Butler amps are a hybrid design using a matched pair of 6SL7 as driver tubes with a solid state output section. The Butler amps are slightly limited dynamically and have a soft bottom end when compared with the best solid state designs but they are wonderfully liquid, harmonically rich and sound very open. If I could have used the Butler high passed at 800 Hz for my soft dome midrange and tweeters I definitely would have but unfortunately I don't have enough space in my vehicle. Jim Volpatti Scott Johnson wrote: > > Any chance in getting a Moscode amp for the car? :-) > > SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 6 09:43:58 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:43:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! In-Reply-To: <003001c11e47$86cedde0$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B6ED75E.14529.7A65CF@localhost> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Yesterday I spotted a gold colored Quad preamp (not the 4xx series), any > opinion on this esp compared to Mac and ... Adcom (grin) ? Does this Brit > preamp have good clarity ? Hi Salim I'm not sure which model you're referring to here, but I remember my first Quad audition, a 33 pre and power combo. The sound was so warm and rich it was nothing short of a revelation. Until then I believed all amps sounded the same [I was 15 then]. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 16:22:19 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:22:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005601c11e83$bb76d200$9865fea9@D9569601> company called planet audio also sells mobile tube amps; or, maybe hybrid amps.....have no idea of the sound quality...just saw a flyer at a shop in roseville and recollect someone telling me about them years ago carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > Scott, > > I'm not sure if you were be facetious or not but there are a couple of > companies making well regarded automobile tube amps. > > http://www.milbert.com/ > > http://www.tubedriver.com/ > > The Milbert amps are a pure tube design created and built by David > Berning. I haven't heard them yet but I have a problem with the idea of > using a pure tube design given all of the vibration of a moving vehicle. > > The Butler amps are a hybrid design using a matched pair of 6SL7 as > driver tubes with a solid state output section. The Butler amps are > slightly limited dynamically and have a soft bottom end when compared > with the best solid state designs but they are wonderfully liquid, > harmonically rich and sound very open. If I could have used the Butler > high passed at 800 Hz for my soft dome midrange and tweeters I > definitely would have but unfortunately I don't have enough space in my > vehicle. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > Any chance in getting a Moscode amp for the car? :-) > > > > SJ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 16:28:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:28:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes References: <20010806042207.B0720114999@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <002f01c11e84$264bc220$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, Nostalgia time ! In my endless attempt to grind one weird Nak head, I pull out my old tapes and play all those songs (finally found that memorex cr). I still keep one of my first recordings, an ELP live also compilation of songs from osibisa, styx, alice cooper (wow, can't believe I listened to those as a teenager). Sounds like coming from dirty LP but I'm surprised that the songs are still there :-). One XLI to copy LP from denon table back in 80 still sound exceptional though. Yesterday I found ELO's Xanadu (with that cute girl from aussie) and Bee Gees / Frampton Sgt Pepper LPs. Somebody trash a vpi cleaner puleeez. :-) Cheers, SM BTW 1812 overture seems to be a benchmark to torture stylus (my akg danced on that part), wonder what it's like on tape. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes > Yesterday I took out a 12 year old Maxell XLIIS tape and played an Elton John album. It is so good crisp and clear a s the tape recorded yesterday! > The shell is black and tape movement is smooth -and the whole thing is heavy indicating build quality not seen in any of the tapes today! > I ahve UDXL I and II cassettes of similar time - pretty good both in build as well as Sound! > No wonder I find your nostalgic thoughts are similar to mine > > I love those LP covers! Led Zepplin/ Free / Carole King / ELP - I am having those LPs even now. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes > > > >Sam - to clarify, the TAPE in SM is the same as SA. SM-X is the same as > >SA-X. Of course, we are talking today's SA and SA-X. > > > >I do not know, maybe I am nostalgic, but somehow, the older tapes, the older > >everything, seems to have been built better. I personally like CD's. I > >understand that a top notch analog system is considered by many better, I > >like the convenience. However, what I miss is putting the album on the > >turntable, looking at the big cover, as opposed to a small CD Box, that > >often times breaks here and there while you try to get rid of all the tape > >and labels. > > > >I have a couple of boxes of SM-X tape. Plus some SA-X, SA-XS, MA, MA-X, Sony > >Metal, Maxell MX-s, (and my secret underdog, FUJI Z-Metal). My sons just > >went for a week long vacation, my wife v 1.0 surplused me a year ago, and > >the Version 2.0 will not be arriving from Europe until the Fall (unless the > >Immigration office does something unusual), so I can do some testing ... > >However, it will be on CR4A, SONY XA20ES CD, via Adcom 565 preamp and MIT 2 > >interconnects. I will keep you posted. > > > >Stan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 6 15:15:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:15:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! References: <3B6ED75E.14529.7A65CF@localhost> Message-ID: <002e01c11e84$22d3b260$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jason, I believe it's model 34 but I'll know for sure tomorrow (a bit worried about DIN connectors on quads). My youth was spent drooling over my uncle's Nak 600, 700 & 1000 +all 6xx series nak system, his Dual turntable (he also used a Nagra equipment once !) also hanging around that second hand LP store which has Linn table, Quad 44 (?) + power and Kef speakers. Didn't realize that the effect would last this long ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > Yesterday I spotted a gold colored Quad preamp (not the 4xx series), any > > opinion on this esp compared to Mac and ... Adcom (grin) ? Does this Brit > > preamp have good clarity ? > > Hi Salim > > I'm not sure which model you're referring to here, but I remember my first > Quad audition, a 33 pre and power combo. The sound was so warm and rich it > was nothing short of a revelation. Until then I believed all amps sounded > the same [I was 15 then]. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 6 16:59:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:59:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reply References: <20010805222332.OVPV9263.fep15-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <3B6EB0E0.6D544352@concentric.net> Paolo Cipollone wrote: > > Salim, Stan, Ron, > > since my message was directed to Kannan, and was a reply to him, I > understand that my statements, taken alone, did not make much sense. > Of course I agree with you about measurements, let alone specs, telling > only a fraction of the whole story. This is where I am in violent agreement... My point was this: I agree that *partial* specs tell only a fraction of the whole story. However, I strongly add that *complete* specs can tell the whole story. IOW, there is no sonic effect that we can hear, but has no measurable physical cause. Nothing. The meager specs generally supplied with audio equipment are provided by Marketing, not Engineering. This is true for any product; from Speaker response curves that are averaged (and therefore, grossly misleading) to amps specs that do not include stability data, through 'emotional' specs that have no technical meaning but are intended to leave the reader with a warm and fuzzy feeling. The idea is that the general public is not equipped to understand -- let alone, appreciate -- 'advanced' specs and won't notice their absence. As a result, Engineering is not encouraged to pay attention to such specs, but is, rather, under pressure to design for 'popular' specs like frequency response and steady state distortion, that are important, but, standing alone, do not tell the whole story. That's why it is possible for a product to exhibit excellent *published* specifications, yet sound inferiour. > I have used and calibrated lots of > recorders some of which with excellent specs that were plain *awful* > (Technics stuff and the like). > The message was part of a debate originating by Kannan saying the 1000 ZXL > was without any doubts the best recorder ever, especially in terms of specs > and in terms of HF performance (you know, the 25 Khz issue). Of course a > very respectable opinion, but I disagree, as my all time favourite is the > CR7, which I own :-). Ahh... My impartial opinion, as well. Especially since I, too, own a CR-7 :-). I devoted much time to listening tests, that proved to my satisfaction that the CR-7 has a minimal effect on sound that goes through it -- either in monitoring mode or through a REC/PB cycle. At least, in *my* system. Even the lowly 582 was very good in this respect, though not as good as the CR-7. (All this is in line the decks published specs.) Over time, I posted these observations on this list. -- Ron > My opinion is that almost 10 years' technology have > not passed in vain. What I was trying to point out, was that (and I urge > you to read the Stereo Review tests) even a humble (compared to a 1000 ZXL) > and more recent LX5 could fare very well on the test bench (actually > beating the 1000 in about every respect). So my point was exactly the > opposite that came out of my message. > > BTW Salim, please take a look at the CR7 brochure. The curves published > have definitely no roll-off at 20 Khz. They are flat within a fraction of a > dB at -20, -10, and 0db (with Dolby C engaged) up to 20 Khz (upper > measurement limit) and rather seem to belong to a DAT machine... > > P.S.: The CR7 (as I already wrote) has been regarded as "the finest example > of cassette recording technology ever produced" by Nakamichi themselves. > > Paolo > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 6 17:55:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:55:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks... References: <003501c11e33$5034fda0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <3B6EBE01.752C0451@concentric.net> I wish to publicly thank Scott Johnson for emailing me the CR-7 brochure. This brochure has some very fine print and figures that are unreadable in low resolution. The higher resolution scan resulted in large files that my ISP server must have rejected. Scott resent the brochure, this time in 8 separate messages. These actually got through and I am now the proud owner of the CR-7 brochure, that contains some information missing from both the User's manual and the Service Manual. Scott, I truly appreciate the extra trouble you took to get the brochure to me. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 19:03:47 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:03:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> <005601c11e83$bb76d200$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B6ECDF3.43AAE63D@earthlink.net> You're right Carl, Planet Audio makes mobile tube amps too. Precision Power actually bought Butler and incorporated some of his design work into their amps. One thing they left out though was the sound. That's the reason I didn't mention Precision Power and Planet in my earlier post. Their sound doesn't cut when compared to Butler and Milbert. Carl, you got me thinking. Are you in Roseville, California? I'm in San Francisco. How about everyone else. Where are you from? Jim Volpatti Carl Cobb wrote: > > company called planet audio also sells mobile tube amps; or, maybe hybrid > amps.....have no idea of the sound quality...just saw a flyer at a shop in > roseville and recollect someone telling me about them years ago > > carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 19:12:16 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:12:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes References: <20010806042207.B0720114999@webmail.vsnl.com> <002f01c11e84$264bc220$5c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B6ECFF0.65A6C7C@earthlink.net> Ahhh, Olivia Newton John... Man, did I have the hots for her! = ) Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Kannan, > > Nostalgia time ! In my endless attempt to grind one weird Nak head, I pull > out my old tapes and play all those songs (finally found that memorex cr). > I still keep one of my first recordings, an ELP live also compilation of > songs from osibisa, styx, alice cooper (wow, can't believe I listened to > those as a teenager). Sounds like coming from dirty LP but I'm surprised > that the songs are still there :-). One XLI to copy LP from denon table > back in 80 still sound exceptional though. > > Yesterday I found ELO's Xanadu (with that cute girl from aussie) and Bee > Gees / Frampton Sgt Pepper LPs. Somebody trash a vpi cleaner puleeez. :-) > > Cheers, > SM > > BTW 1812 overture seems to be a benchmark to torture stylus (my akg danced > on that part), wonder what it's like on tape. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Mon Aug 6 19:43:29 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:43:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Women and Zenith watches Message-ID: <20010806175415.QUZO29014.fep43-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Hi, Stan, I am 39, and about women, I agree completely - I am treasuring my 28 yrs old girlfriend... Just curious, do you have a 'El primero' Zenith? I am planning to buy one. As for the CR4, please stick to it. It's one of my favourites. It's calibration facility is one of the most precise ever appeared on a deck. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Mon Aug 6 20:15:16 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:15:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Women and Zenith watches and the CR4 ... In-Reply-To: <20010806175415.QUZO29014.fep43-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: Hi Paolo - I do have a Zenith ElPrimero Port Royal V. Couldn't resist the 36,000 bph fast ticking mechanism. Both this watch and the Breitling SuperOcean are serving me very well - I have several others, but these two are the best, and most accurate mechanical movements I have. The CR4 works great. I got it on e-Bay, and this was the best e-Bay purchase I have ever made. One day I may still buy a ZX-9. Not sure why, perhaps only for nostalgic purposes. I am too, now treasuring my 31 year old girl-friend. Good people, especially wife-candidates are so hard to come across now. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paolo Cipollone Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 12:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Women and Zenith watches Hi, Stan, I am 39, and about women, I agree completely - I am treasuring my 28 yrs old girlfriend... Just curious, do you have a 'El primero' Zenith? I am planning to buy one. As for the CR4, please stick to it. It's one of my favourites. It's calibration facility is one of the most precise ever appeared on a deck. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 20:14:14 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Women and Zenith watches References: <20010806175415.QUZO29014.fep43-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <3B6EDE76.8EC982EE@yahoo.com> Wow! The El Primero is one of my favourite watches It has the fastest ticking rate of any watch made and "detuned" El Primero movements were used in all the early daytonas until Rolex learned how to make a chronograph. I've always wanted the plain black dial chrono but audio comes first. You can't have much fun with a watch unless it breaks and you have to go in there to fix it. I did strip my old speedmaster down to bare wheels and replaced a cracked pallet a few years back. That was fun for about a day. Javier PS: Yes, it worked after I reassembled it and still does. Paolo Cipollone wrote: > > Hi, Stan, > > I am 39, and about women, I agree completely - I am treasuring my 28 yrs > old girlfriend... > Just curious, do you have a 'El primero' Zenith? I am planning to buy one. > As for the CR4, please stick to it. It's one of my favourites. It's > calibration facility is one of the most precise ever appeared on a deck. > > Paolo > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 6 22:48:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:48:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes References: <20010806042207.B0720114999@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3B6F0294.777414B5@concentric.net> Your post prompted me to dig out the ZX demo tape that came with the 582 in 1980. It's a C-15 cassette, recorded on one side only. Played like new and the sound was gorgeous. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Yesterday I took out a 12 year old Maxell XLIIS tape and played an Elton John album. It is so good crisp and clear a s the tape recorded yesterday! > The shell is black and tape movement is smooth -and the whole thing is heavy indicating build quality not seen in any of the tapes today! > I ahve UDXL I and II cassettes of similar time - pretty good both in build as well as Sound! > No wonder I find your nostalgic thoughts are similar to mine > > I love those LP covers! Led Zepplin/ Free / Carole King / ELP - I am having those LPs even now. > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes > > >Sam - to clarify, the TAPE in SM is the same as SA. SM-X is the same as > >SA-X. Of course, we are talking today's SA and SA-X. > > > >I do not know, maybe I am nostalgic, but somehow, the older tapes, the older > >everything, seems to have been built better. I personally like CD's. I > >understand that a top notch analog system is considered by many better, I > >like the convenience. However, what I miss is putting the album on the > >turntable, looking at the big cover, as opposed to a small CD Box, that > >often times breaks here and there while you try to get rid of all the tape > >and labels. > > > >I have a couple of boxes of SM-X tape. Plus some SA-X, SA-XS, MA, MA-X, Sony > >Metal, Maxell MX-s, (and my secret underdog, FUJI Z-Metal). My sons just > >went for a week long vacation, my wife v 1.0 surplused me a year ago, and > >the Version 2.0 will not be arriving from Europe until the Fall (unless the > >Immigration office does something unusual), so I can do some testing ... > >However, it will be on CR4A, SONY XA20ES CD, via Adcom 565 preamp and MIT 2 > >interconnects. I will keep you posted. > > > >Stan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 22:59:10 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] More Nak brochures In-Reply-To: <3B6EBE01.752C0451@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20010806205910.73064.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, Don't mention it. It was not a problem. This morning the buyer of the RX-505 brochure, that I sold on eBay, came by to pick it up. He brought over his Nak collection of brochures and service manuals and I borrowed a couple brochures that I thought people might be interested in. I got the 1000II and the 1000TT. I will scan these and either send them to Wouter or put them on my humble site. Again high res (300dpi) copies are always available upon request. SJ --- Ron wrote: > > I wish to publicly thank Scott Johnson for emailing > me the CR-7 brochure. This brochure has some very > fine > print and figures that are unreadable in low > resolution. The higher resolution scan resulted in > large files that my ISP server must have rejected. > Scott resent the brochure, this time in 8 separate > messages. These actually got through and I am now > the > proud owner of the CR-7 brochure, that contains some > information missing from both the User's manual and > the Service Manual. > > Scott, I truly appreciate the extra trouble you took > to get the brochure to me. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 6 23:06:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:06:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... References: <20010806042823.PGGS1871.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3B6F06DD.F37D7B5A@concentric.net> smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > Following one comment awhile ago about women being > smarter...... Of course, they are. After all, they choose men. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pcipollone at tin.it Mon Aug 6 23:26:02 2001 From: pcipollone at tin.it (Paolo Cipollone) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:26:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Specs Message-ID: <20010806213208.DRPK28213.fep13-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Ron, your point about advanced specs seems very interesting. For example, phase jitter characteristics are usually thrown out, but they are *vital* in reconstructing either the correct musical soundstage and its stability overall.You're probably right at the general public not being able to understand and appreciate advanced specs. I would also like to know your impressions about the information provided with the brochure. I feel it gives the full idea of the sophistication of the recorder. I'd recommend it to any CR7 owner. P.S.: Scott emailed me the CR7 brochure *twice*! I have purchased lately a new high quality printer and wished to reprint, but due to a complete Windows reinstallation I no longer had the files. :-) Thanks, Scott, you're great. Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Mon Aug 6 23:45:03 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:45:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes & 1812 Overture References: <20010806042207.B0720114999@webmail.vsnl.com> <002f01c11e84$264bc220$5c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B6F0FDF.D691B688@snip.net> Nak has a "Reference Recording" of the 1812 Overture. Played in a car with good subs and it's awesome. John Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > * * * * * > > BTW 1812 overture seems to be a benchmark to torture stylus (my akg danced on that > part), wonder what it's like on tape. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Mon Aug 6 23:48:57 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:48:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> <005601c11e83$bb76d200$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B6ECDF3.43AAE63D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002f01c11ec1$99d0bd80$639c42d8@idirect.com> How about everyone else. Where are you from? Jim Volpatti ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 00:06:06 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:06:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: <002f01c11ec1$99d0bd80$639c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: Chicago, IL, USA -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio How about everyone else. Where are you from? Jim Volpatti ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Aug 6 23:43:38 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:43:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... References: <000a01c11c63$01bba7e0$13d4893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000801c11ec5$88d781e0$f7302ac4@coqui.net> Markertek has one but it cost around 50.00 bucks. It's a whole station. We have one at the plant. Good luck ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... > Anyone know where I can get a splicer for cassette tapes? > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 7 00:15:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:15:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Specs References: <20010806213208.DRPK28213.fep13-svc.tin.it@juqcci> Message-ID: <3B6F16E7.88A8B4C0@concentric.net> I feel that Nakamichi was better than most in providing specifications, such as REC/PB distortion, cross talk, erasure etc. that other manufacturers simply ignored. I was also impressed with the details they went into in the brochure, explaining the specific features of the decks. (Of course, they had much to brag about :-) ). I found specs I was looking for a while back and never could find, in either the Users or Service Manuals. I.e. azimuth adjustment quantization (1.3' per step) and electronics distortion (0.005%). The rest read like an interesting article. I had a question that the auto calibration flow chart and descriptions answered for me. Nak really did an excellent job -- no wonder the deck sounds so good. I am waiting to see if I can get my hands on the CR-7 Principles of Operations. It might contain some additional pieces of interesting information. -- Ron Paolo Cipollone wrote: > > Ron, > > your point about advanced specs seems very interesting. For example, phase > jitter characteristics are usually thrown out, but they are *vital* in > reconstructing either the correct musical soundstage and its stability > overall.You're probably right at the general public not being able to > understand and appreciate advanced specs. > I would also like to know your impressions about the information provided > with the brochure. I feel it gives the full idea of the sophistication of > the recorder. I'd recommend it to any CR7 owner. > > P.S.: Scott emailed me the CR7 brochure *twice*! I have purchased lately a > new high quality printer and wished to reprint, but due to a complete > Windows reinstallation I no longer had the files. :-) Thanks, Scott, you're > great. > > Paolo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Aug 6 23:56:14 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? References: Message-ID: <000c01c11ec5$9978b5a0$f7302ac4@coqui.net> The Tandberg 3014 A: Simply one of my very favorite non-nak's deck. Simple ergonomics and just business as many of the european's design. Neutral sounding and the manual record azymuth adj. is a must ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > Hi Salim: > > I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you have just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally don't know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown to like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid tonality. If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and therefore hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the machine very desirable to my mind. > > Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty much equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. > > Cheers, Marc > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> > > Hi Brian, > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > series, 1 > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > like it, but > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > will not last > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > Brian > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Aug 7 00:27:56 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:27:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Top 10, Etc ... References: Message-ID: <000d01c11ec7$0b2e6680$f7302ac4@coqui.net> Top 10 Naks, ehh ...? Well, my experience with cassette decks is large and extensive. From the banana like portable Panasonic of the 70's to the industrial Lyrec 80:1 bin loop duplicator. For me the definetely #1 in the WOW! factor is the: 1000 ZXL. Nothing impress the most to the public than this mounstrous sized deck, period. Sonically speaking I can say that I took the time and did a shoot out between the 1000 and the Dragon. Results ? Using a neutral recorded tape on a Tandberg 3014 A, both units were amazing. Only big difference were that the Dragon was wider in the soundstage department and the 1000 has much more "presence" with a little more palpable bass. On tapes recorded in each deck, all I can say is that I couldn't choose the best one. I can simply live with either one. 1- 1000 ZXL 2- Revox B 215 3- Tandberg 3014 A 4- CR 7 5- ZX 9 6- 700 ZXL The Dragon ? # 1 in my playback deck list ! After all these, I don't really interest any other. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Aug 7 01:32:41 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:32:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? References: <000c01c11ec5$9978b5a0$f7302ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <00b301c11ed0$173eb160$5005efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? Here, here Carlos. I have always loved Tandberg decks, and Nakamichi, of course. The following is my current collection: Cassettes Nakamich 1000ZXL with NR-100 - waiting to be "Sanktified" by the master. CR-7 - already Sanktified Dragon - currently being Sanktified BX-300 Tandberg 3014A Revox B-215 - Sanktified Aiwa XKS-9000 (2) Pioneer CT-93 Akai GX-95 & GX-95II - still need a service manual for these - GX-95II is from Germany and I must convert the voltage Luxman K-03 Teac V-8000 Teac V-8030 Teac Z-6000 - Sanktified Denon DR-M44 Reels Technics 1700 (2) - one being Sanktified 1500 1520 Revox B-77II Tandberg TD-20ASE - Sanktified TD-20A 10XD (2) - one being Sanktified 10X I think I finally have reached my limit... unless a Sony TC-880-2 comes along. Kevin Rogers, Ontario, Canada. > The Tandberg 3014 A: Simply one of my very favorite non-nak's deck. Simple > ergonomics and just business as many of the european's design. Neutral > sounding and the manual record azymuth adj. is a must ! > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Hugo" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > > > > Hi Salim: > > > > I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you have > just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally don't > know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown to > like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a > fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid tonality. > If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and therefore > hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the machine > very desirable to my mind. > > > > Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty much > equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. > > > > Cheers, Marc > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 ? > > More in the bass dept ? or ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than $200? > > > > > > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in the > > series, 1 > > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. I > > like it, but > > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group believes > > will not last > > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeffchua at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 23:34:23 2001 From: jeffchua at hotmail.com (chua jeffrey) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:34:23 Subject: [naktalk] Top 10, Etc ... Message-ID: Well, Carlos, I can't agree with you more. I owned a few decks in the past, mostly Naka. Of course I also had 2 Teac, an Akai. Presently I still have an 1000ZXL and a DRAGON. The 1000ZXL was wonderful after it was serviced by Steven Sank last year. Unfortunately a few months ago due to whatever reason unknown to me, it could not power up (may be shorted). I have yet to send for repair. Now I am making use of my only DRAGON for taping and playback. I am getting use to the DRAGON due to the use of use and compared to the 1000ZXL and great sounding too. I would still want to find someone closer home (Singapore) to service my 1000ZXL in the near future. Any Naka fan who knows of any other good service personnel available? Jeff >From: "Carlos" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Top 10, Etc ... >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:27:56 -0400 > >Top 10 Naks, ehh ...? > >Well, my experience with cassette decks is large and extensive. From the >banana like portable Panasonic of the 70's to the industrial Lyrec 80:1 bin >loop duplicator. > >For me the definetely #1 in the WOW! factor is the: > >1000 ZXL. Nothing impress the most to the public than this mounstrous sized >deck, period. > >Sonically speaking I can say that I took the time and did a shoot out >between the 1000 and the Dragon. Results ? Using a neutral recorded tape on >a Tandberg 3014 A, both units were amazing. Only big difference were that >the Dragon was wider in the soundstage department and the 1000 has much >more >"presence" with a little more palpable bass. > >On tapes recorded in each deck, all I can say is that I couldn't choose the >best one. I can simply live with either one. > >1- 1000 ZXL >2- Revox B 215 >3- Tandberg 3014 A >4- CR 7 >5- ZX 9 >6- 700 ZXL > >The Dragon ? # 1 in my playback deck list ! > >After all these, I don't really interest any other. > >Carlos J. Guzman-President >Copytech Corporation >Puerto Rico >copytec at coqui.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Tue Aug 7 02:35:06 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:35:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A231@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Tom Siomopoulos Wantirna, Victoria, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:targowski at mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 8:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Chicago, IL, USA -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio How about everyone else. Where are you from? Jim Volpatti ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > Any chance in getting a Moscode amp for the car? :-) > > SJ > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Jim and Jeff, > > > > TD700 price was $1000 ??? For that price Nak > > should've at least put a > > decent tuner in it !! Stephen, any ideas to tweak > > the tuner ... :-( I > > agree that Nak recorded tape inside a TD700 sounds > > amazing, and yes too bad > > we can't integrate TD to our system. > > > > My car system are old stuff, just like nak, centered > > around a sony cd > > changer bought waaay back then when reliability per > > price was of primary > > concern - and a matching sony U880 is needed, hey, > > the tuner is much better > > than that of TD. Speaker is Focal 6" / TN46 through > > Audison LR435XR - also > > for Boston 797 rear fill, with a pair of JL audio > > 12W5 sub through Audison > > LR270 Supercurrent and Audison LXR2 crossover. U880 > > is in service shop now > > and TD700 takes its place temporarily. > > > > Family UV has same sony cdp + U880 tuner deck with > > 6" Diamond Hex speaker (I > > consider that as an Eton :-) with Audison LR3042. > > Sub is pair of inwall JL > > audio 10W1 through homemade xo and soundstream mc300 > > - also used for old 6" > > boston splits 'rear fill'. If I can start over > > again I'll go for alpine or > > maybe nak changer+head unit, with same amps & > > speakers. > > > > Tried a dynaudio 6" 2way but ended up stuffing those > > in a box and put em in > > my room ! The RCF W300 musical sub is also inside a > > box below the dyn. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Tue Aug 7 03:13:29 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:13:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A232@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001a01c11ede$66505c00$7905efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T I know that it works with the ZX-9 and would suspect that it also works with the BX-300. Kevin Rogers > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if the RM-580T IR remote control/base is compatible with BX-300 & ZX-9? > > Regards > > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Tue Aug 7 03:31:51 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:31:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A235@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Kevin. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rogers [mailto:ktrogers at execulink.com] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 11:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RM-580T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T I know that it works with the ZX-9 and would suspect that it also works with the BX-300. Kevin Rogers > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if the RM-580T IR remote control/base is compatible with BX-300 & ZX-9? > > Regards > > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 04:40:37 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <023701c11edc$7c3e9880$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20010807024037.6594.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> When I got my first car I upgraded the stereo in steps. First I put in Nak SP-10/SP-50's in the doors (repaired units from Nakamichi's trash) with custom made cross-over networks (basically a rip offs of the PC-100). They were connected to the factory analog tuner (no cassette) at first. The difference between the factory wizzer cone speakers and the Nakamichi's was night and day. I could almost live with it except for the lack of a tape deck. Second, I installed a Carver M240 power amp that I picked up at a swap meet. The different was unbelievable. The damping factor was in the area of 200 and you could tell. The bass was so tight! I'm sure most people on Naktalk would cringle at the name Bob Carver, but, I liked that amp. The last step was the head unit. I had my cousin in San Diego order me a TD-500 for a little above dealer cost and I planned on making the drive down (120 miles) after college classes one Friday. The night before I built a homemade power inverter so that I could listen to my BX-300 in the car on the way down. It was nothing special. I took a 24 Volt center taped transformer and ran it backward with a couple of mosfets and the square wave outputs of a CMOS 4047. It wasn't the cleanest power, but, the BX-300 filtered it well and I couldn't hear any buzz. The deck sat on the passenger seat beside me. When I picked up the TD-500 I just plugged it in. I had the RCAs and wiring harness for the power already connected. I still have that inverter and use it on occasion when I need to do soldering in the car. The Weller iron works great. I haven't tried it on my Metcal yet. I don't think it could power a Moscode amp though. Later upgrades included one then two SP-80 subs, then to a single SP-1010. Amps were later upgraded to PA-350 -> PA-300 and PA-400M. Then I made a big mistake and replace the Nak amps with Soundstream, D100 and D200's. Good looking amps, but, my system was never quite as smooth sounding compared to the all Nak setup. I miss the good old days. SJ SJ --- Stephen Sank wrote: > Well, Scott, all you have to do is buy one of those > low-distortion sinewave > power inverters & plug a Moscode right into > 120vac.=0) > A friend of my father's actually did that years ago. > Only time I've ever > seen a Revox A-77 reel deck in a "car system". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > Any chance in getting a Moscode amp for the car? > :-) > > > > SJ > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jim and Jeff, > > > > > > TD700 price was $1000 ??? For that price Nak > > > should've at least put a > > > decent tuner in it !! Stephen, any ideas to > tweak > > > the tuner ... :-( I > > > agree that Nak recorded tape inside a TD700 > sounds > > > amazing, and yes too bad > > > we can't integrate TD to our system. > > > > > > My car system are old stuff, just like nak, > centered > > > around a sony cd > > > changer bought waaay back then when reliability > per > > > price was of primary > > > concern - and a matching sony U880 is needed, > hey, > > > the tuner is much better > > > than that of TD. Speaker is Focal 6" / TN46 > through > > > Audison LR435XR - also > > > for Boston 797 rear fill, with a pair of JL > audio > > > 12W5 sub through Audison > > > LR270 Supercurrent and Audison LXR2 crossover. > U880 > > > is in service shop now > > > and TD700 takes its place temporarily. > > > > > > Family UV has same sony cdp + U880 tuner deck > with > > > 6" Diamond Hex speaker (I > > > consider that as an Eton :-) with Audison > LR3042. > > > Sub is pair of inwall JL > > > audio 10W1 through homemade xo and soundstream > mc300 > > > - also used for old 6" > > > boston splits 'rear fill'. If I can start over > > > again I'll go for alpine or > > > maybe nak changer+head unit, with same amps & > > > speakers. > > > > > > Tried a dynaudio 6" 2way but ended up stuffing > those > > > in a box and put em in > > > my room ! The RCF W300 musical sub is also > inside a > > > box below the dyn. :-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 7 05:54:59 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:24:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Specs Message-ID: <20010807035459.A580B114960@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 7 07:32:42 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:02:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Message-ID: <005f01c11f02$61a9d400$42d60192@vsnl> Man I have to visit you!!!! wow kannan -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carlos" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > >Here, here Carlos. I have always loved Tandberg decks, and Nakamichi, of >course. The following is my current collection: >Cassettes >Nakamich >1000ZXL with NR-100 - waiting to be "Sanktified" by the master. >CR-7 - already Sanktified >Dragon - currently being Sanktified >BX-300 >Tandberg 3014A >Revox B-215 - Sanktified >Aiwa XKS-9000 (2) >Pioneer CT-93 >Akai GX-95 & GX-95II - still need a service manual for these - GX-95II is >from Germany and I must convert the voltage >Luxman K-03 >Teac V-8000 >Teac V-8030 >Teac Z-6000 - Sanktified >Denon DR-M44 >Reels >Technics >1700 (2) - one being Sanktified >1500 >1520 >Revox >B-77II >Tandberg >TD-20ASE - Sanktified >TD-20A >10XD (2) - one being Sanktified >10X > >I think I finally have reached my limit... unless a Sony TC-880-2 comes >along. > >Kevin Rogers, Ontario, Canada. > > > > >> The Tandberg 3014 A: Simply one of my very favorite non-nak's deck. Simple >> ergonomics and just business as many of the european's design. Neutral >> sounding and the manual record azymuth adj. is a must ! >> >> Carlos J. Guzman-President >> Copytech Corporation >> Puerto Rico >> copytec at coqui.net >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Hugo" >> To: ; >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? >> >> >> > Hi Salim: >> > >> > I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you >have >> just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally >don't >> know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown >to >> like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a >> fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid >tonality. >> If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and >therefore >> hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the >machine >> very desirable to my mind. >> > >> > Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty >much >> equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. >> > >> > Cheers, Marc >> > >> > >> > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> >> > >> > Hi Brian, >> > >> > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 >? >> > More in the bass dept ? or ? >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Salim SM >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than >$200? >> > >> > >> > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in >the >> > series, 1 >> > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. >I >> > like it, but >> > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group >believes >> > will not last >> > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. >> > > >> > > Brian >> > >> > >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> ======= >> > >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> ======= >> > >> > >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:13:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:13:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... Message-ID: <44.1148e5ef.28a0e0ff@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2001 3:40:05 AM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Sam My twins take delight in pulling out the tape from the cassettes ... I have a couple that could be mended as they are broken only at the leader. Graham >> Hi Graham, I see, have fun my friend! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 08:18:09 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:18:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A231@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3B6F8821.B0B0A045@yahoo.com> Javier Perez Inwood New York (The Independent Republic of Northern Manhattan) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:20:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:20:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Girls on naktalk Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2001 8:51:45 AM Central Daylight Time, mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << Great post Sam! I really enjoyed that. Forgive my kindred pontifications. Marc >> Hi Marc, Great points you make and I agree with you. So being single I guess this means I better look for a women who is either a musician or serious music enthusiast. Can't see selling my monolithic floor standers. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 08:22:48 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:22:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A231@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3B6F8821.B0B0A045@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B6F8938.F1F3533B@yahoo.com> Oh and BTW: I'm into Scott McIntosh and Phase Linear Love to tinker! Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:29:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:29:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes Message-ID: <28.194454c3.28a0e4c5@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2001 1:26:10 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << However, it will be on CR4A, SONY XA20ES CD, via Adcom 565 preamp and MIT 2 interconnects. I will keep you posted. Stan >> Hi Stan, Sounds like you have enough blank cassette media to keep you busy for some time. I picked up a 5-pack of TDK SA 90s tonight and will let you know of my results. Local Tower Records for $7.99 per pack. This particular store usually carries the Fuji Z-Metal but they didn't have any while I was shopping. I'll keep an "eye" out for it as I would like to experiment with it. One final note regarding the TDK SM-X Pro - I finally got around to listening to the cassette I made in my car. And although the SM-X Pro sounds very nice in both my BX 150 and CR-7, it didn't have quite the "oomph" in the mid/highs that the SA-X and Maxell XL-II have. Not a bad copy, but I was a little disappointed when using it in that application. Thanks again for the info! -Sam PS I ran across a Maxell Professional MS-30 Studio Tape tonight. I didn't purchase it as it was no long enough for my use. And, after careful reading I discovered that it is a Maxell XL-II. Same case, lettering, formulation. Just in case anyone out there finds one, save your money. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:40:09 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:40:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK SA90 Tapes Dirt Cheap Message-ID: In a message dated 8/5/2001 7:08:36 PM Central Daylight Time, bigbear69 at netzero.net writes: << I have seen talk about prices on cassette tapes lately but really haven't paid much attention to it. Thru my years I have generated around 480 cassette recordings. I believe I have around $6000 -$8000 worth of CD's recorded on cassette. I got all these CD's from local libraries in Arizona, California, and Minnesota, people at work, neighbors, and friends. Anyway today I noticed at Price Costco in Phoenix, Arizona that a ten pack of TDK SA90 were selling at $6.77 plus tax. I believe this is the cheapest price of TDK SA90's anybody has seen in the U.S. Yes - these SA90 tapes say on the label 'Made in Japan'. - Mark Phoenix, Arizona >> Hi Mark, Yes, that is a great price. I'll have to check my local Costo. I have been purchasing Maxell XL-II 8 packs for $7.91, $7.93, $7.99 from my local Sam's Club. That has been the lowest price I've found for XL-IIs. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:40:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:40:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk]Welcome to the board Paolo ... Message-ID: <102.6f817c5.28a0e76d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/2001 9:53:12 PM Central Daylight Time, epatsellis at mcleodusa.net writes: << Treasure the ones that are nice to you ... Advice of a 35 year-old divorced > father of two ... > > Stan > >> Right on Stan! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:41:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:41:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TDK vs. Maxell Message-ID: <30.18c9c544.28a0e781@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:15:36 PM Central Daylight Time, s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: << Have yet to see it here in Brisbane, maybe so in Sydney :-\ Jason ====== >> Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:47:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:47:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Thanks... Message-ID: <115.2bdc4b6.28a0e915@aol.com> In a message dated 8/6/2001 10:58:58 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Scott, I truly appreciate the extra trouble you took to get the brochure to me. -- Ron >> I would like to double those remarks as Scott was also kind enough to forward the higher resolution brochure to me also in 8 separate parts. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:53:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:53:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SMX and other tapes & 1812 Overture Message-ID: <55.19632744.28a0ea5b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/6/2001 4:48:01 PM Central Daylight Time, smoke at snip.net writes: << Nak has a "Reference Recording" of the 1812 Overture. Played in a car with good subs and it's awesome. John >> You know, now that I've had a "taste" of the CR-7, maybe I should pick up one of those Nak reference recordings the next time I see one on eBay. It should be wonderful to listen to. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:53:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:53:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: <97.1956adc3.28a0ea78@aol.com> In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << Chicago, IL, USA -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio How about everyone else. Where are you from? Jim Volpatti ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada Roland ========------------------------ >> Chicago, IL -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:54:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:54:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... Message-ID: <21.f4b0ca3.28a0ea95@aol.com> In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:17:40 PM Central Daylight Time, copytec at coqui.net writes: << Markertek has one but it cost around 50.00 bucks. It's a whole station. We have one at the plant. Good luck ! Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net >> Hi Carlos, Great to hear from you! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:57:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:57:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message-ID: <126.294ec42.28a0eb54@aol.com> In a message dated 8/6/2001 10:44:38 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Wish I were living around your place to trouble shoot this 1000ZXL. And a chance here a Sanktified 1000ZXL - a dream. >> I'm with you Kannan. I too would like to hear that deck! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 08:58:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:58:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Message-ID: <12f.28f1645.28a0eba7@aol.com> Me to. Kevin, what do you do with all of these decks? -Sam In a message dated 8/7/2001 12:51:38 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Man I have to visit you!!!! wow kannan -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carlos" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > >Here, here Carlos. I have always loved Tandberg decks, and Nakamichi, of >course. The following is my current collection: >Cassettes >Nakamich >1000ZXL with NR-100 - waiting to be "Sanktified" by the master. >CR-7 - already Sanktified >Dragon - currently being Sanktified >BX-300 >Tandberg 3014A >Revox B-215 - Sanktified >Aiwa XKS-9000 (2) >Pioneer CT-93 >Akai GX-95 & GX-95II - still need a service manual for these - GX-95II is >from Germany and I must convert the voltage >Luxman K-03 >Teac V-8000 >Teac V-8030 >Teac Z-6000 - Sanktified >Denon DR-M44 >Reels >Technics >1700 (2) - one being Sanktified >1500 >1520 >Revox >B-77II >Tandberg >TD-20ASE - Sanktified >TD-20A >10XD (2) - one being Sanktified >10X > >I think I finally have reached my limit... unless a Sony TC-880-2 comes >along. > >Kevin Rogers, Ontario, Canada. > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 09:20:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:20:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] work in Italy Message-ID: <21.f4b0ca4.28a0f0a6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2001 11:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam even our software consultants ultimately want to go to big apple ( United States) preferably bay area! But Sam, it may be fun to work in Italy as Italy is country of style and fashion / artistry ? Yes, I know I would enjoy the country. No doubt! You forgot to mention some of the World's most beautiful women. I'd probably return to the states married. You may have to learn Italian language as many people would not try to talk to you in English though. This will take a little time, I use to speak Spanish and German but my vocabulary is poor. I understand some (and I mean some) Italian as it is similar to Spanish. However, for the right opportunity I would learn the language. Are you interested?( grinning) >> The lower salary and tax things is a bit tough to get by. :-( -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 09:32:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 03:32:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a cassette recording? Kannan >> I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but will also challenge the blank cassette media. For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, recording). Again, if you're interested: Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) Title - Nice and Warm Justice Records (JR 1201-2) AAD 1992 I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the fullest. Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 10:43:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:43:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B6FAA2E.78E20508@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, Some of my favorite recordings (though not necessarily my favorite music or the best torture test for a cassette deck) are: Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder Dire Straights - Love Over Gold Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. Enjoy! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > cassette recording? > > Kannan >> > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > Title - Nice and Warm > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > AAD > 1992 > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > fullest. > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance > for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Aug 7 13:37:27 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:37:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D42A@CPT-01> I always think that Ben Harper has amazing production on his recordings. also chessky records are fantastic although i'm less of a jazz man but speaking of jazz, ry cooders "jazz" on LP is amazing always use that to convince friends that vinyl is better than CD. i always appreciate artists that put in the extra effort over the recording. whether any of these achieve the full frequency workout is partly dependent on what you like to hear. i always wonder about demo's that have a female voice and very little else as it always sounds good, nothing to clutter the sound. when you listen to more 'lush' works (like buena vista social club etc) then really good recordings (and equipment..)help you appreciate the whole sound but also let you focus on one musician. don't know what the rest of you guys feel about this... neal -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: 07 August 2001 09:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a cassette recording? Kannan >> I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but will also challenge the blank cassette media. For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, recording). Again, if you're interested: Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) Title - Nice and Warm Justice Records (JR 1201-2) AAD 1992 I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the fullest. Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance for your help! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Aug 7 13:58:05 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:58:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D42B@CPT-01> the cowboy junkies recording is amazing -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: 07 August 2001 10:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Hi Sam, Some of my favorite recordings (though not necessarily my favorite music or the best torture test for a cassette deck) are: Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder Dire Straights - Love Over Gold Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. Enjoy! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > cassette recording? > > Kannan >> > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > Title - Nice and Warm > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > AAD > 1992 > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > fullest. > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance > for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > Jim Volpatti > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > Roland > > ========------------------------ >> > Chicago, IL > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> Hey Alex, I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds for the Street Machine Nationals. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > Alex Cagann > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 17:48:53 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:48:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hahahaha...the Street Machine Nationals. All we have in Indy is corn......and, um, hot rod events. I wish we'd have done this topic earlier...and we could have gotten together for lunch or something. Alex > Hey Alex, > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds for > the Street Machine Nationals. > > Brian Miller > Michigan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Aug 7 20:06:31 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:06:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A235@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005901c11f6b$b07f9ec0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> it can be made to work with a 700II, with a little bit of work...:) erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RM-580T > Thanks Kevin. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers [mailto:ktrogers at execulink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 11:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RM-580T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:46 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RM-580T > > I know that it works with the ZX-9 and would suspect that it also works with > the BX-300. > > Kevin Rogers > > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know if the RM-580T IR remote control/base is compatible with > BX-300 & ZX-9? > > > > Regards > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RM-580T > it can be made to work with a 700II, with a little bit of work...:) > > > erie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:31 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RM-580T > > > > Thanks Kevin. > > > > Regards Tom. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 7 19:05:39 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:05:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: Message-ID: <00da01c11f63$3c91dc60$58031fac@brianm> "All we have in Indy is corn......and, um, hot rod events." I was watching ESPN2 the other day and they were showing the Super Chevy show at Indy and did a story on a car we saw at the Nationals. The Nationals were good, there was a great turn out. Lunch would of been great. I can't remember the name of the restaurant we ate at, all I remember is that is was the only "descent" restaurant on the road we searching for food on! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Hahahaha...the Street Machine Nationals. All we have in Indy is > corn......and, um, hot rod events. I wish we'd have done this topic > earlier...and we could have gotten together for lunch or something. > > Alex > > > Hey Alex, > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds for > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 7 19:05:57 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:05:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> <00ab01c11f6c$07285fa0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <00db01c11f63$3d53a5c0$58031fac@brianm> Erie, Are you any where near DuQuion? I went the the Street Machine Nationals there about 10 years ago, talk about huge!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Erie Patsellis > Lovely Rural Shelbyville, IL. (middle of nowhere!!!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds for > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 7:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Michigan, near Kalamazoo. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > Jim Volpatti > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > Roland > > ========------------------------ >> > Chicago, IL > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It seems they are getting out of High-end two channel because the market is HT and they didn't have enough interest in two channel. Very disappointing!! It looks like we no longer have a high end shop in Kazoo any more. :( Do you remember your salesmans name? Go Broncos!! What years were you at WMU? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Brian, I bought some of my gear at Classic Stereo on South Westnedge by > CrossRaods Mall. Does it sound familiar? They used to have this great policy > where you could check out (leaving deposit) equipement on Saturday evening > and return it back Monday morning, this is how I tested CR4, TA-4, Magnepan > Speakers, etc. > > Kalamazoo, sounds, like a blast from the past, 4 years at WMU ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 7:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > Michigan, near Kalamazoo. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Roland Alford > > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------ >> > > Chicago, IL > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 21:17:12 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:17:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: <028f01c11f6d$d4c410c0$58031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brian - it is a pity. This used to be a great store. I lived in K-zoo from 1985-1990. Went to WMU, then worked for Upjohn (aka Pharmacia). If I remember right the salesmen, his name was John, real nice fellow, blonde, a little bolding, thin, with John Lennon like glasses - when I visited a few years ago he was still there, I believe as an assitant manager. I think this is true too in Chicago. There are a few esoteric stores, but some other stores that used to carry good two channel audio, like United Audio (Tweeters), Columbia Audio, Abt Electronics, etc., are focusing now much more on HT - that is where the market goes. I bought my first Nak system there, CR2, TA2, with Magnepan SMGa's. They had the CR2 calibrated to TDK D, SA, and MA, and it has been working like a champ ever since (now as part of the bedroom system.) Go Broncos !! Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 1:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Stan, I was just there Saturday!!! Yes, many a time I brought equipment home foe the weekend to try. Unfortunately Saturday's trip was rather disappointing. It seems they are getting out of High-end two channel because the market is HT and they didn't have enough interest in two channel. Very disappointing!! It looks like we no longer have a high end shop in Kazoo any more. :( Do you remember your salesmans name? Go Broncos!! What years were you at WMU? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Brian, I bought some of my gear at Classic Stereo on South Westnedge by > CrossRaods Mall. Does it sound familiar? They used to have this great policy > where you could check out (leaving deposit) equipement on Saturday evening > and return it back Monday morning, this is how I tested CR4, TA-4, Magnepan > Speakers, etc. > > Kalamazoo, sounds, like a blast from the past, 4 years at WMU ... > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 7:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > Michigan, near Kalamazoo. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Roland Alford > > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------ >> > > Chicago, IL > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Where are you from? > >Jim Volpatti >------------------------------------------------------- Sofia, Bulgaria George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 7 21:44:44 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:44:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: Message-ID: <02ab01c11f79$6be295c0$58031fac@brianm> Stan, I know a salesman by the name of John, but he doesn't have glasses, he has reddish hair and a beard and 'stache, he was there Saturday. It doesn't sound like the same guy. I agree it is a pity, it has been a great store. www.classicstereo.com I used to deal with Chris Berry, he is now in Chi-town. He is a "Linnie" and was offered a position at a shop in Chicago, I believe it is now called Avant-garde or something of the sort, I went there a couple years ago. I guess they have some store damage from all that rain Chicago received. Chris is a die hard two channel guy and from what I understand he is having to adjust to HT sales as it is big at their shop too. We must be around the same age, as I was graduating in 1985, from Otsego; did you ever make it to the big town of Otsego? Speaking of going places, did you ever go to Timber Ridge Ski area? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Brian - it is a pity. This used to be a great store. I lived in K-zoo from > 1985-1990. Went to WMU, then worked for Upjohn (aka Pharmacia). > > If I remember right the salesmen, his name was John, real nice fellow, > blonde, a little bolding, thin, with John Lennon like glasses - when I > visited a few years ago he was still there, I believe as an assitant > manager. > > I think this is true too in Chicago. There are a few esoteric stores, but > some other stores that used to carry good two channel audio, like United > Audio (Tweeters), Columbia Audio, Abt Electronics, etc., are focusing now > much more on HT - that is where the market goes. > > I bought my first Nak system there, CR2, TA2, with Magnepan SMGa's. They had > the CR2 calibrated to TDK D, SA, and MA, and it has been working like a > champ ever since (now as part of the bedroom system.) > > Go Broncos !! > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 1:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > Stan, > > I was just there Saturday!!! Yes, many a time I brought equipment home foe > the weekend to try. > > Unfortunately Saturday's trip was rather disappointing. It seems they are > getting out of High-end two channel because the market is HT and they didn't > have enough interest in two channel. Very disappointing!! It looks like we > no longer have a high end shop in Kazoo any more. :( > > Do you remember your salesmans name? > > Go Broncos!! > > What years were you at WMU? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Brian, I bought some of my gear at Classic Stereo on South Westnedge by > > CrossRaods Mall. Does it sound familiar? They used to have this great > policy > > where you could check out (leaving deposit) equipement on Saturday evening > > and return it back Monday morning, this is how I tested CR4, TA-4, > Magnepan > > Speakers, etc. > > > > Kalamazoo, sounds, like a blast from the past, 4 years at WMU ... > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 7:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > Michigan, near Kalamazoo. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > Roland Alford > > > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > > > Roland > > > > > > ========------------------------ >> > > > Chicago, IL > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 7 21:43:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:43:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:47:45 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder Dire Straights - Love Over Gold Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. Enjoy! Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, Thank you for sharing your list with me. I can imagine what it would be like to record both Dire Straits and the Diana Krall. I agree that both of those would be challenges. I will have to check out some of Diana Krall (they have her at my local library). I'm always looking for a great recording. Thanks again. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 7 21:52:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:52:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b801c11f7a$7eae2e20$043442cf@sank1> My pick for best recording of all time, so far, is Simon & Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water, on vinyl or Sony "super bit-map" CD. Other fav's are most anything from Tori Amos, Jonatha Brooke & (last few records from) Sarah MacLachlan. My ultimate "complexity handling" test CD is Cocteau Twins "Four Calendar Cafe", esp the last track. If you don't have an urge to smoke a cigarette after the fade of the last note, even if you don't smoke, which I don't, then the system ain't quite right. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > cassette recording? > > Kannan >> > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > Title - Nice and Warm > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > AAD > 1992 > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > fullest. > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance > for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 21:53:00 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010807195300.82001.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Jeff Okinawa, Japan _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Aug 7 23:55:36 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:55:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> <00ab01c11f6c$07285fa0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <00db01c11f63$3d53a5c0$58031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001701c11f8b$b17a9300$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> far enough away.. I'm about 30 miles north of Effingham, IL going to the nationals at Indy labor day weekend? erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Erie, > > Are you any where near DuQuion? I went the the Street Machine Nationals > there about 10 years ago, talk about huge!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "erie patsellis" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Erie Patsellis > > Lovely Rural Shelbyville, IL. (middle of nowhere!!!) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds > for > > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Aug 7 23:58:30 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:58:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: Message-ID: <002301c11f8c$18e61960$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Stan, We get a lot of customers from Chicago in the store I work at in Champaign, we sell alot of Balanced Audio Technology and Avantgarde Audio in that market, even though we are 4 hours away...and if you look on a map, I have a 90 min. ride one day a week...small price to pay to keep my toys affordable. erie > I think this is true too in Chicago. There are a few esoteric stores, but > some other stores that used to carry good two channel audio, like United > Audio (Tweeters), Columbia Audio, Abt Electronics, etc., are focusing now > much more on HT - that is where the market goes. > > > Michigan, near Kalamazoo. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 7 22:11:59 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:11:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> <00ab01c11f6c$07285fa0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <00db01c11f63$3d53a5c0$58031fac@brianm> <001701c11f8b$b17a9300$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <02cf01c11f7d$37d0fa20$58031fac@brianm> > far enough away.. I'm about 30 miles north of Effingham, IL > > going to the nationals at Indy labor day weekend? > erie I have no plans to. What Nationals are they having Labor Day weekend? (I know I have a family reunion to attend, as soon as the NASCAR boys are done! ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Erie, > > > > Are you any where near DuQuion? I went the the Street Machine Nationals > > there about 10 years ago, talk about huge!!! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "erie patsellis" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > Erie Patsellis > > > Lovely Rural Shelbyville, IL. (middle of nowhere!!!) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the fairgrounds > > for > > > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 22:29:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:29:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: Message-ID: <3B704FAC.A795330@earthlink.net> Anytime Sam! = ) Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:47:45 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band > Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World > Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder > Dire Straights - Love Over Gold > Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions > Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue > > Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. > > Enjoy! > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Hi Jim, > > Thank you for sharing your list with me. I can imagine what it would be like > to record both Dire Straits and the Diana Krall. I agree that both of those > would be challenges. I will have to check out some of Diana Krall (they have > her at my local library). I'm always looking for a great recording. Thanks > again. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <20010807195300.82001.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c11f80$5bbb96e0$47756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> John Tooley Milton, Delaware ----- Original Message ----- From: "J" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Jeff > Okinawa, Japan > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 22:38:40 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:38:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: <02ab01c11f79$6be295c0$58031fac@brianm> Message-ID: Must be a different guy. Actually, I graduated in 1984 from St. Augustine's (but not the cathedral in Kzoo, but rather high-school in Warsaw, Poland), then came to study at WMU. So I think we are a year apart. Otsego, Plainwell, I know exactly where it is. We have a place in Saugatuck, and this is on the way from Kzoo to Saugatuck. Actually I will be in Saugatuck this week-end. Thanks for the link. I will check it out. I agree, must be hard to adjust from diehard two channel guy to HT - different clientele - need to know how to talk to the women (of course this 80" TV will be out of the way - LOL). Timber Ridge - of course. Must be a really small world after all ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 2:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Stan, I know a salesman by the name of John, but he doesn't have glasses, he has reddish hair and a beard and 'stache, he was there Saturday. It doesn't sound like the same guy. I agree it is a pity, it has been a great store. www.classicstereo.com I used to deal with Chris Berry, he is now in Chi-town. He is a "Linnie" and was offered a position at a shop in Chicago, I believe it is now called Avant-garde or something of the sort, I went there a couple years ago. I guess they have some store damage from all that rain Chicago received. Chris is a die hard two channel guy and from what I understand he is having to adjust to HT sales as it is big at their shop too. We must be around the same age, as I was graduating in 1985, from Otsego; did you ever make it to the big town of Otsego? Speaking of going places, did you ever go to Timber Ridge Ski area? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Brian - it is a pity. This used to be a great store. I lived in K-zoo from > 1985-1990. Went to WMU, then worked for Upjohn (aka Pharmacia). > > If I remember right the salesmen, his name was John, real nice fellow, > blonde, a little bolding, thin, with John Lennon like glasses - when I > visited a few years ago he was still there, I believe as an assitant > manager. > > I think this is true too in Chicago. There are a few esoteric stores, but > some other stores that used to carry good two channel audio, like United > Audio (Tweeters), Columbia Audio, Abt Electronics, etc., are focusing now > much more on HT - that is where the market goes. > > I bought my first Nak system there, CR2, TA2, with Magnepan SMGa's. They had > the CR2 calibrated to TDK D, SA, and MA, and it has been working like a > champ ever since (now as part of the bedroom system.) > > Go Broncos !! > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Brian Miller > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 1:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > Stan, > > I was just there Saturday!!! Yes, many a time I brought equipment home foe > the weekend to try. > > Unfortunately Saturday's trip was rather disappointing. It seems they are > getting out of High-end two channel because the market is HT and they didn't > have enough interest in two channel. Very disappointing!! It looks like we > no longer have a high end shop in Kazoo any more. :( > > Do you remember your salesmans name? > > Go Broncos!! > > What years were you at WMU? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:02 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Brian, I bought some of my gear at Classic Stereo on South Westnedge by > > CrossRaods Mall. Does it sound familiar? They used to have this great > policy > > where you could check out (leaving deposit) equipement on Saturday evening > > and return it back Monday morning, this is how I tested CR4, TA-4, > Magnepan > > Speakers, etc. > > > > Kalamazoo, sounds, like a blast from the past, 4 years at WMU ... > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Brian Miller > > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 7:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > Michigan, near Kalamazoo. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/6/2001 5:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > targowski at mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > << Chicago, IL, USA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > Roland Alford > > > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > > > Roland > > > > > > ========------------------------ >> > > > Chicago, IL > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Tue Aug 7 22:51:28 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD In-Reply-To: <3B704FAC.A795330@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. Diana Krall - she is awesome. More natural sounding disk, much fewer instruments, and her wonderful warm voice. I strongly recommend "When I Look in Your Eyes", and track 7 in particular, "I can't Give You Anything But Love". Some other good albums I would recommend for the content / recording quality are most of Joe Sample's plus FILM & the BB's and their album TriCycle. To test the deck, it is always good to have some Piano. A good album of Chopin or Rachmaninoff should do it. Lastly, Michael Bolton's opera album, "My Secret Passion - Aria's", yes Bolton doing opera sounds pretty well too. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 3:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Anytime Sam! = ) Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:47:45 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band > Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World > Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder > Dire Straights - Love Over Gold > Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions > Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue > > Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. > > Enjoy! > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Hi Jim, > > Thank you for sharing your list with me. I can imagine what it would be like > to record both Dire Straits and the Diana Krall. I agree that both of those > would be challenges. I will have to check out some of Diana Krall (they have > her at my local library). I'm always looking for a great recording. Thanks > again. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Melbourne Australia ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Aug 8 03:15:33 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:15:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> <00ab01c11f6c$07285fa0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <00db01c11f63$3d53a5c0$58031fac@brianm> <001701c11f8b$b17a9300$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <02cf01c11f7d$37d0fa20$58031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002d01c11fa7$9f9f47e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Mac Tools U.S. Nationals, at IRP I once crewed a Pro Stock Drag Bike, and every chance I get I try to get together with old friends. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > far enough away.. I'm about 30 miles north of Effingham, IL > > > > going to the nationals at Indy labor day weekend? > > erie > > I have no plans to. What Nationals are they having Labor Day weekend? (I > know I have a family reunion to attend, as soon as the NASCAR boys are done! > ) > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > Erie, > > > > > > Are you any where near DuQuion? I went the the Street Machine Nationals > > > there about 10 years ago, talk about huge!!! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "erie patsellis" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > Erie Patsellis > > > > Lovely Rural Shelbyville, IL. (middle of nowhere!!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:20 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > > > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the > fairgrounds > > > for > > > > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > life. > > > No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Aug 8 01:35:17 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:35:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <3B6ECDF3.43AAE63D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B7107D6.24677.C59A1@localhost> Jim Volpatti wrote: > How about everyone else. Where are you from? I'm from Cochin, India. But I have been in Brisbane, Australia over the last 55 months or so, doing my degree in Business. This is where I acquired my precious baby LX-3 too :-) Regards Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 01:37:07 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 In-Reply-To: <000c01c11d9b$cef9d360$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010807233707.36355.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I got received the RX-505 I bought off eBay and it's in excellent condition, but, it doesn't play. The problem with it not playing is the control belt is a little loose. I cleaned it up with rubber revitalizer and now it goes into play mode just fine, but, it makes a bad noise changing modes though. Something needs to be relubed. I lubed the cam, but, that doesn't seem to be it. (Stephen any ideas?) Another problem is that while in play mode the pinch rollers don't engage, so the tape goes really really fast. It appears that both pinch roller pivot bearings are stuck in the up position. When I force the pinch rollers to engage it's fine. I didn't think the pinch roller pivot point had any lubricant to dry out. Is this a common failure item. It seems that if I replace the control motor belt and the two pinch rollers it should be in good shape. Any other items I should replace? I still haven't received my RX-202? That one should be easy. I'll wait and order parts for the two RX decks together. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Aug 8 01:40:52 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:40:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <20010807024037.6594.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <023701c11edc$7c3e9880$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B710922.14980.116948@localhost> Scott Johnson wrote: > I'm sure most people on Naktalk would cringle at the name > Bob Carver, but, I liked that amp. What has Carver done wrong to get this reputation? I remember one of their very powerful power amps, which sold for a fraction of its competitors and was slim to boot... Is this a case of low price = low quality? Not trolling for flames, just a genuine query. TIA Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 8 02:00:52 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:00:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... References: <00c101c11f54$8f8a3d40$58031fac@brianm> <00ab01c11f6c$07285fa0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <00db01c11f63$3d53a5c0$58031fac@brianm> <001701c11f8b$b17a9300$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <02cf01c11f7d$37d0fa20$58031fac@brianm> <002d01c11fa7$9f9f47e0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <006201c11f9d$32f925c0$58031fac@brianm> Ohhh, those Nationals, or rather THEE Nationals! One of these days I would like to see the big boys run live, or in the case of Pro Stock bikes, big girls! Go Angelle! We have a strip not far from me, Martin Dragway. It was just purchased by another and he is completely re-doing it and adding a 1/2 mile circle track. This was much neeed!!!! ...and I am looking forward to it reopening! I hope NHRA lands a good sponser now that Winston is leaving. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Mac Tools U.S. Nationals, at IRP > > I once crewed a Pro Stock Drag Bike, and every chance > I get I try to get together with old friends. > > erie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > far enough away.. I'm about 30 miles north of Effingham, IL > > > > > > going to the nationals at Indy labor day weekend? > > > erie > > > > I have no plans to. What Nationals are they having Labor Day weekend? (I > > know I have a family reunion to attend, as soon as the NASCAR boys are > done! > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:05 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > Erie, > > > > > > > > Are you any where near DuQuion? I went the the Street Machine > Nationals > > > > there about 10 years ago, talk about huge!!! > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "erie patsellis" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:08 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erie Patsellis > > > > > Lovely Rural Shelbyville, IL. (middle of nowhere!!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:20 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just in your neck of the woods! I came down to the > > fairgrounds > > > > for > > > > > > the Street Machine Nationals. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > life. > > > > No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Alex Cagann" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:07 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indianapolis, Indiana, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Aug 8 02:01:53 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:01:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> <00b801c11f7a$7eae2e20$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <011901c11f9d$54f76330$47756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Stephen, Any idea on a source for the S & G Sony "super bit map" CD? I guess I could troll around on ebay. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > My pick for best recording of all time, so far, is Simon & Garfunkel's > Bridge Over Troubled Water, on vinyl or Sony "super bit-map" CD. Other > fav's are most anything from Tori Amos, Jonatha Brooke & (last few records > from) Sarah MacLachlan. My ultimate "complexity handling" test CD is > Cocteau Twins "Four Calendar Cafe", esp the last track. If you don't have > an urge to smoke a cigarette after the fade of the last note, even if you > don't smoke, which I don't, then the system ain't quite right. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > > cassette recording? > > > > Kannan >> > > > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the > elements > > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > > > > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > > Title - Nice and Warm > > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > > AAD > > 1992 > > > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of > "Justice > > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original > (although > > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > > fullest. > > > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in > advance > > for your help! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 02:07:31 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <3B710922.14980.116948@localhost> Message-ID: <20010808000731.39643.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> After the recent high-end amplifier discussions I figured that the "Golden Ears" that participate in this mail list probably have a low opinion of Bob Carver and his amps. I personally thought the M240 was a great car amp. I don't know much about his home audio products. My dad has "The Carver Receiver" I think it sounds fine on his Acoustic Research AR9's. While playing 1812 overture loud it tends to clip, but, I don't blame the amp for that. SJ --- Jason Antony wrote: > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > I'm sure most people on Naktalk would cringle at > the name > > Bob Carver, but, I liked that amp. > > > What has Carver done wrong to get this reputation? I > remember one of their > very powerful power amps, which sold for a fraction > of its competitors and > was slim to boot... Is this a case of low price = > low quality? > > Not trolling for flames, just a genuine query. > > TIA > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 02:49:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:49:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: <20010807233707.36355.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f201c11fa4$0dba5f20$043442cf@sank1> Assuming your cam is getting all the way to the play position, then it sounds like hardening grease on the roller arm pivot axles. Not a problem I have yet seen on a 505, but lots on older decks like 480 & 582. I very much recommend trying to NOT pull the pinch arms off the shafts if you can help it. Without having the tape guide alignment jig(DA09051, I think), it's damn near impossible to realign the roller arm/guide heights. So, try to work some grease-dissolving lubricant into each shaft until you get free movement. On the noise, just a drop of oil on the end of the big pulley's shaft should cure it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 > I got received the RX-505 I bought off eBay and it's > in excellent condition, but, it doesn't play. > > The problem with it not playing is the control belt is > a little loose. I cleaned it up with rubber > revitalizer and now it goes into play mode just fine, > but, it makes a bad noise changing modes though. > Something needs to be relubed. I lubed the cam, but, > that doesn't seem to be it. (Stephen any ideas?) > > Another problem is that while in play mode the pinch > rollers don't engage, so the tape goes really really > fast. It appears that both pinch roller pivot > bearings are stuck in the up position. When I force > the pinch rollers to engage it's fine. I didn't think > the pinch roller pivot point had any lubricant to dry > out. Is this a common failure item. > > It seems that if I replace the control motor belt and > the two pinch rollers it should be in good shape. Any > other items I should replace? > > I still haven't received my RX-202? That one should > be easy. I'll wait and order parts for the two RX > decks together. > > SJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 02:52:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:52:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> <00b801c11f7a$7eae2e20$043442cf@sank1> <011901c11f9d$54f76330$47756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Message-ID: <00fe01c11fa4$69d13360$043442cf@sank1> Got my last Sony SBM copy of the S&G from Tower Records, I think. About 5 years ago. I think it may still be in current release. Lots better than the standard CD release. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > Stephen, > > Any idea on a source for the S & G Sony "super bit map" CD? I guess I could > troll around on ebay. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > My pick for best recording of all time, so far, is Simon & Garfunkel's > > Bridge Over Troubled Water, on vinyl or Sony "super bit-map" CD. Other > > fav's are most anything from Tori Amos, Jonatha Brooke & (last few records > > from) Sarah MacLachlan. My ultimate "complexity handling" test CD is > > Cocteau Twins "Four Calendar Cafe", esp the last track. If you don't have > > an urge to smoke a cigarette after the fade of the last note, even if you > > don't smoke, which I don't, then the system ain't quite right. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture > a > > > cassette recording? > > > > > > Kannan >> > > > > > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the > > elements > > > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > > > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very > low > > > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, > but > > > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > > > > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very > best > > > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > > > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > > > > > > > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > > > Title - Nice and Warm > > > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > > > AAD > > > 1992 > > > > > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > > > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of > > "Justice > > > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original > > (although > > > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > > > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > > > fullest. > > > > > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > > > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > > > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in > > advance > > > for your help! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 02:59:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:59:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010808000731.39643.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not the worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down with it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > After the recent high-end amplifier discussions I > figured that the "Golden Ears" that participate in > this mail list probably have a low opinion of Bob > Carver and his amps. I personally thought the M240 > was a great car amp. I don't know much about his home > audio products. My dad has "The Carver Receiver" I > think it sounds fine on his Acoustic Research AR9's. > While playing 1812 overture loud it tends to clip, > but, I don't blame the amp for that. > > SJ > > --- Jason Antony wrote: > > > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > > I'm sure most people on Naktalk would cringle at > > the name > > > Bob Carver, but, I liked that amp. > > > > > > What has Carver done wrong to get this reputation? I > > remember one of their > > very powerful power amps, which sold for a fraction > > of its competitors and > > was slim to boot... Is this a case of low price = > > low quality? > > > > Not trolling for flames, just a genuine query. > > > > TIA > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Aug 8 03:17:01 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:17:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B711FA9.16713.696AAD@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain myself. > I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get some > satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry Kloss's > head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research stuff is put > together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just wait until your > dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not the worst job, but > typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually everything Carver has > anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire subwoofers of his? When > it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down with it. Better stop myself. > I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more point: I've yet to hear any > Carver product sound good, either. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Wed Aug 8 03:22:01 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:22:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Carving Up Carver In-Reply-To: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I agree about the Carver stuff sounding like crap. In the early 1980's when I first auditioned some Carver equipment, I was very disappointed. I had seen so many ads in Stereo Review and other magazines for his equipment and thought this was going to be a treat. It was actually a trick! When I asked the salesman what he thought of Carver's sound, he declined to say it was good, but rather diplomatically said it was "different". --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Wed Aug 8 03:31:14 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:31:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? References: <005f01c11f02$61a9d400$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002401c11fa9$d146d9a0$0e06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Anytime you are in Canada, you are more than welcome Kannan. Kevin > Man I have to visit you!!!! > wow > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carlos" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:56 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > > > >Here, here Carlos. I have always loved Tandberg decks, and Nakamichi, of > >course. The following is my current collection: > >Cassettes > >Nakamich > >1000ZXL with NR-100 - waiting to be "Sanktified" by the master. > >CR-7 - already Sanktified > >Dragon - currently being Sanktified > >BX-300 > >Tandberg 3014A > >Revox B-215 - Sanktified > >Aiwa XKS-9000 (2) > >Pioneer CT-93 > >Akai GX-95 & GX-95II - still need a service manual for these - GX-95II is > >from Germany and I must convert the voltage > >Luxman K-03 > >Teac V-8000 > >Teac V-8030 > >Teac Z-6000 - Sanktified > >Denon DR-M44 > >Reels > >Technics > >1700 (2) - one being Sanktified > >1500 > >1520 > >Revox > >B-77II > >Tandberg > >TD-20ASE - Sanktified > >TD-20A > >10XD (2) - one being Sanktified > >10X > > > >I think I finally have reached my limit... unless a Sony TC-880-2 comes > >along. > > > >Kevin Rogers, Ontario, Canada. > > > > > > > > > >> The Tandberg 3014 A: Simply one of my very favorite non-nak's deck. > Simple > >> ergonomics and just business as many of the european's design. Neutral > >> sounding and the manual record azymuth adj. is a must ! > >> > >> Carlos J. Guzman-President > >> Copytech Corporation > >> Puerto Rico > >> copytec at coqui.net > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mark Hugo" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > >> > >> > >> > Hi Salim: > >> > > >> > I forgot to say the other day, but I think you had mentioned that you > >have > >> just replaced the capstan motor in your Cassette Deck 1. I personally > >don't > >> know the Tandberg 3014, but apart from the fascia design which I've grown > >to > >> like, and the Matsushita motor, which can be replaced anyway, it's a > >> fabulous deck. It sounds like a Nakamichi, with that rich, solid > >tonality. > >> If you use them, the NR is very well set up as usual with Naks and > >therefore > >> hardly spoils the party either. Manual PB azimuth control makes the > >machine > >> very desirable to my mind. > >> > > >> > Sam, the other ones were Cassette Deck 1.5 and 2. The 1.5 was pretty > >much > >> equivalent to the subsequent DR2 and the Cassette Deck 2 to the DR3. > >> > > >> > Cheers, Marc > >> > > >> > > >> > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 08/02/01 04:06AM >>> > >> > > >> > Hi Brian, > >> > > >> > May I know how you describe the 3014 to be better than your Cass Deck 1 > >? > >> > More in the bass dept ? or ? > >> > > >> > Best regards, > >> > Salim SM > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:42 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than > >$200? > >> > > >> > > >> > > The model name is simply cassette deck 1. I believe there were 3 in > >the > >> > series, 1 > >> > > being the top of that line, then 2 and 3 followed in price/features. > >I > >> > like it, but > >> > > it does have the inferior OEM Sankyo transport that the group > >believes > >> > will not last > >> > > over time like a Nakamichi transport. > >> > > > >> > > Brian > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> ======= > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> ======= > >> > > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> ======= > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> ======= > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Wed Aug 8 03:26:07 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:26:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A23C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, I some of my favorite cd's for testing are... Yello - Pocket universe KD Lang - All that you can eat Definately any Mozart CD Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 6:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Hi Sam, Some of my favorite recordings (though not necessarily my favorite music or the best torture test for a cassette deck) are: Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder Dire Straights - Love Over Gold Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. Enjoy! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > cassette recording? > > Kannan >> > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the elements > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > Title - Nice and Warm > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > AAD > 1992 > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of "Justice > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original (although > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > fullest. > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in advance > for your help! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Wed Aug 8 03:36:39 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:36:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? References: <12f.28f1645.28a0eba7@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c11faa$939c9b20$0e06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Mostly work 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day to afford them right now! Just love classic tape decks. I'm really a small timer compared to several others I know, they have many more decks than I have. Kevin > Me to. Kevin, what do you do with all of these decks? > > -Sam > > In a message dated 8/7/2001 12:51:38 AM Central Daylight Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > << Man I have to visit you!!!! > wow > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Rogers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carlos" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:56 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Can this be true? Tandberg 3014 for less than$200? > > > >Here, here Carlos. I have always loved Tandberg decks, and Nakamichi, of > >course. The following is my current collection: > >Cassettes > >Nakamich > >1000ZXL with NR-100 - waiting to be "Sanktified" by the master. > >CR-7 - already Sanktified > >Dragon - currently being Sanktified > >BX-300 > >Tandberg 3014A > >Revox B-215 - Sanktified > >Aiwa XKS-9000 (2) > >Pioneer CT-93 > >Akai GX-95 & GX-95II - still need a service manual for these - GX-95II is > >from Germany and I must convert the voltage > >Luxman K-03 > >Teac V-8000 > >Teac V-8030 > >Teac Z-6000 - Sanktified > >Denon DR-M44 > >Reels > >Technics > >1700 (2) - one being Sanktified > >1500 > >1520 > >Revox > >B-77II > >Tandberg > >TD-20ASE - Sanktified > >TD-20A > >10XD (2) - one being Sanktified > >10X > > > >I think I finally have reached my limit... unless a Sony TC-880-2 comes > >along. > > > >Kevin Rogers, Ontario, Canada. > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Aug 8 03:41:11 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:41:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <3B711FA9.16713.696AAD@localhost> References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not the > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down with > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it went. So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical and electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with the internals. Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to reach, clean etc? Regards Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Wed Aug 8 03:42:27 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:42:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Carving Up Carver In-Reply-To: References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7125A2.21585.80C114@localhost> Roland Alford wrote: > When I asked the salesman what he thought of Carver's sound, he declined to > say it was good, but rather diplomatically said it was "different". Wow, an honest salesman! Where was he working at? Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Aug 8 04:17:12 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:17:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> <00b801c11f7a$7eae2e20$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B70A128.B34D3485@snet.net> Interesting... Jonatha Brooke actually recorded one of her CD's at the studio I work at a few years back... Power Station, New England. The studio is an exact replica of the famous Power Station (now Avatar) A room in New York. As far as the sound... take a good room and add a good engineer, classic Neve console, Studer A-800's, and an full load of vintage mics (especially the RCA ribbons) and it's hard to go wrong! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > My pick for best recording of all time, so far, is Simon & Garfunkel's > Bridge Over Troubled Water, on vinyl or Sony "super bit-map" CD. Other > fav's are most anything from Tori Amos, Jonatha Brooke & (last few records > from) Sarah MacLachlan. My ultimate "complexity handling" test CD is > Cocteau Twins "Four Calendar Cafe", esp the last track. If you don't have > an urge to smoke a cigarette after the fade of the last note, even if you > don't smoke, which I don't, then the system ain't quite right. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > > cassette recording? > > > > Kannan >> > > > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the > elements > > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > > > > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > > Title - Nice and Warm > > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > > AAD > > 1992 > > > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of > "Justice > > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original > (although > > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > > fullest. > > > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in > advance > > for your help! > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Aug 8 04:20:32 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:20:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: Message-ID: <3B70A1EF.C928EB4D@snet.net> I have to agree that Diana Krall's "Love Scenes" serves me well as an acid test for mid range smoothness and air. It's one hell of a recording! Ed Stan Targowski wrote: > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > Diana Krall - she is awesome. More natural sounding disk, much fewer > instruments, and her wonderful warm voice. I strongly recommend "When I Look > in Your Eyes", and track 7 in particular, "I can't Give You Anything But > Love". > > Some other good albums I would recommend for the content / recording quality > are most of Joe Sample's plus FILM & the BB's and their album TriCycle. > > To test the deck, it is always good to have some Piano. A good album of > Chopin or Rachmaninoff should do it. Lastly, Michael Bolton's opera album, > "My Secret Passion - Aria's", yes Bolton doing opera sounds pretty well too. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: Tue, August 07, 2001 3:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > Anytime Sam! = ) > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:47:45 AM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett and His Large Band > > Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World > > Ry Cooder - Music By Ry Cooder > > Dire Straights - Love Over Gold > > Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions > > Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue > > > > Oh and almost any Diana Krall CD. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > >> > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Thank you for sharing your list with me. I can imagine what it would be > like > > to record both Dire Straits and the Diana Krall. I agree that both of > those > > would be challenges. I will have to check out some of Diana Krall (they > have > > her at my local library). I'm always looking for a great recording. > Thanks > > again. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 04:40:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:40:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> Message-ID: <016c01c11fb3$8075dee0$043442cf@sank1> Rather than being able to simply pull a cover off a relay to clean the contacts, as with most things, on the Carver receiver you must remove the speaker terminal board assembly, desolder all eight speaker terminal connections & then pry the covers off of both relays & clean all of their contacts. I say "all" because the A&B speakers are put in *series* if both sets are selected, because the thing will explode if it sees any load much under 4 ohms. Therefore, each speaker line goes through BOTH relays to get to either A or B output, so both NC & NO contacts are used on each relay. "Total garbage" does not even begin to express how I feel about Carver junk. And the Receiver is honestly the best piece he ever made. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not the > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down with > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > went. > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical and > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with the > internals. > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > reach, clean etc? > > Regards > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 04:46:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:46:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <6d.17f288c5.28a0f376@aol.com> <00b801c11f7a$7eae2e20$043442cf@sank1> <3B70A128.B34D3485@snet.net> Message-ID: <017801c11fb4$521ea940$043442cf@sank1> I've loved Jonatha Brooke's work since she did the first "The Story" CD. And she's damn nice to look at, too. Her "10c Wings" CD comes pretty close to being my top recording choice, as well as being among my favorite music. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > Interesting... Jonatha Brooke actually recorded one of her CD's at the studio I work > at a few years back... Power Station, New England. The studio is an exact replica of > the famous Power Station (now Avatar) A room in New York. As far as the sound... take > a good room and add a good engineer, classic Neve console, Studer A-800's, and an full > load of vintage mics (especially the RCA ribbons) and it's hard to go wrong! > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > My pick for best recording of all time, so far, is Simon & Garfunkel's > > Bridge Over Troubled Water, on vinyl or Sony "super bit-map" CD. Other > > fav's are most anything from Tori Amos, Jonatha Brooke & (last few records > > from) Sarah MacLachlan. My ultimate "complexity handling" test CD is > > Cocteau Twins "Four Calendar Cafe", esp the last track. If you don't have > > an urge to smoke a cigarette after the fade of the last note, even if you > > don't smoke, which I don't, then the system ain't quite right. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2001 10:58:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > > > << Guys what all you think about a source CD or an LP which can torture a > > > cassette recording? > > > > > > Kannan >> > > > > > > I have a wonderfully mixed and mastered blues CD that has all of the > > elements > > > except the dramatic drums and some of the high "highs." However, to > > > reproduce the guitar and the Hammond B-3 organ, combined with the very low > > > sub frequencies will definitely challenge not only your cassette deck, but > > > will also challenge the blank cassette media. > > > > > > For those of you who may be interested, IMHO this is one of the very best > > > CD's I've ever heard (from a production perspective - mixing, mastering, > > > recording). Again, if you're interested: > > > > > > > > > Tab Benoit (white cover with 3 images on front) > > > Title - Nice and Warm > > > Justice Records (JR 1201-2) > > > AAD > > > 1992 > > > > > > I don't know if it's been reissued, I purchased my copy new from a local > > > Circuit City in 1992. Before this recording, I had never heard of > > "Justice > > > Records", they are out of Houston, TX. If you can find an original > > (although > > > there shouldn't be any difference in a reissue? Stan, Carlos, can you > > > clarify?) it is worth it. But you have to like blues to enjoy it to the > > > fullest. > > > > > > Are there any well produced/engineered/mixed CD's that any of you would > > > recommend? (from a production standpoint - great sound, well blended > > > instruments, clear, crisp, "clean" sound?) As always, thank you in > > advance > > > for your help! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 05:22:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:22:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <59.e4376b4.28a20a65@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:52:39 PM Central Daylight Time, targowski at mediaone.net writes: << Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. Diana Krall - she is awesome. More natural sounding disk, much fewer instruments, and her wonderful warm voice. I strongly recommend "When I Look in Your Eyes", and track 7 in particular, "I can't Give You Anything But Love". Some other good albums I would recommend for the content / recording quality are most of Joe Sample's plus FILM & the BB's and their album TriCycle. To test the deck, it is always good to have some Piano. A good album of Chopin or Rachmaninoff should do it. Lastly, Michael Bolton's opera album, "My Secret Passion - Aria's", yes Bolton doing opera sounds pretty well too. Stan >> Hi Stan, I also like using Andrea Bocelli's "Verdi" with the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra led by Zubin Mehta. If you like Diana Krall, you may want to pick up a CD titled "Vanessa Rubin Sings." I picked up my copy from my local library. I know you're "in" the industry, so we could talk as if I were the engineer or producer I would have blended the vocals a tad bit more, but otherwise this is an excellent recording and a truly wonderful jazz voice. I've forgotten the jazz legends she worked with on the CD. I know this is off topic, but what they've accomplished is to create a "live" sound from studio recordings. Very nice. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 05:22:55 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:22:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio Message-ID: <86.dc6e830.28a20a8f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/2001 6:40:46 PM Central Daylight Time, s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: << I'm from Cochin, India. But I have been in Brisbane, Australia over the last 55 months or so, doing my degree in Business. This is where I acquired my precious baby LX-3 too :-) Regards Jason >> Hi Jason, Are you working towards an MBA? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 05:31:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:31:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Message-ID: <7b.18bcddb5.28a20c9a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/2001 8:45:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ktrogers at execulink.com writes: << Mostly work 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day to afford them right now! Just love classic tape decks. I'm really a small timer compared to several others I know, they have many more decks than I have. Kevin >> Wow, you're a big timer to me man! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 05:32:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:32:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/2001 9:23:20 PM Central Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << I have to agree that Diana Krall's "Love Scenes" serves me well as an acid test for mid range smoothness and air. It's one hell of a recording! Ed >> I will definitely have to check that one out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 05:38:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:38:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <9c.11d6f126.28a20e35@aol.com> In a message dated 8/7/2001 9:46:09 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I've loved Jonatha Brooke's work since she did the first "The Story" CD. And she's damn nice to look at, too. Her "10c Wings" CD comes pretty close to being my top recording choice, as well as being among my favorite music. >> Cool. I enjoy really great recordings, now more than ever as I am transitioning into studio work. I have another recording to offer this group - if you can and you like the music, you owe it to yourself to pick up a copy of "Latin, Latin, Latin" by Olivia Molina. I first heard it at my Latin dance class. Very well done, beautiful voice, well mixed. However, it is Rumba music and unless you like the slow, methodic characteristics of Rumba you may not like it. But the recording, mixing, voice is top notch! Certainly worth having as part of any music collection. Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Aug 8 05:45:51 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 23:45:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: <5C40C9CF.66F7C444.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Moscow, Russia. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 8 06:30:44 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:00:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: <20010808043044.DD73311494F@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From moklaba at yahoo.com Wed Aug 8 07:32:17 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: <20010808043044.DD73311494F@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <20010808053217.99992.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, I'm just over here for work...will be leaving in a year. BTW, haven't found any of those mythical Sony ES metal tapes yet. Will let the group know if I do. Jeff (Okinawa, Japan) --- kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Bangalore > India - > Surprise we have a person from Japan! > Nice to know where all our group members live - > Regards to every one in this group > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from > ... > > > >Moscow, Russia. > > > >Regards, > > > >Nicholas. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Aug 8 07:43:06 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:43:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from Message-ID: <000301c11fcd$00c8c940$94c59d40@compaq> Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > Tom Siomopoulos > > Wantirna, Victoria, Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [mailto:targowski at mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 8:06 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > Chicago, IL, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > Jim Volpatti > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Wed Aug 8 11:37:52 2001 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:37:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from In-Reply-To: <000301c11fcd$00c8c940$94c59d40@compaq> Message-ID: <200108080943.LAA03932@zebra.naks.com> Roy Svensson Göteborg,Sweden ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 8 13:45:16 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:45:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where are you from Message-ID: <3B71264C.EF59876@sunint.co.za> Marc Hugo Thaba Nchu, Free State, South Africa ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From xjw909e at tninet.se Wed Aug 8 13:50:27 2001 From: xjw909e at tninet.se (spiros agathagelidis) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:50:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] ..where are you from.. Message-ID: <1332247.997271427902.JavaMail.root@suntea.algonet.se> Spiros Agathagelidis, Sweden ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 8 14:52:33 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:52:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections Message-ID: <3B713611.5DB61782@sunint.co.za> Hi Kevin: I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are you a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. How do you rate them? Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fbaker1 at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 8 15:11:16 2001 From: fbaker1 at nc.rr.com (Frank Baker) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:11:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Frank Baker Raleigh, North Carolina > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:40 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > >How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > >Jim Volpatti > >------------------------------------------------------- > > Sofia, Bulgaria > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 8 15:22:35 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:52:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Can this be true????? Message-ID: <20010808132235.3E793114985@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 8 15:24:37 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:54:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: <20010808132437.B99A711495A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Wed Aug 8 15:25:52 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:25:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: Johannesburg South Africa Owner of a TD-1200 which is still sitting in a box and waiting for a nice summer week-end to install. Never have anything to add but really enjoy reading through the mail every morning before work. Anthony Calcutt ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 8 15:56:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:56:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Where are you from References: <3B71264C.EF59876@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <001a01c12011$e2f00c40$58289bca@smarzuki> What a great group !!! Thanks Wouter ... Shall we continue on to the 'users' folder ? Graham ? Nice to see so many people about same age with me. :-) Salim Marzuki Jakarta, Indonesia ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 8 16:10:45 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:10:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] remote connectors Message-ID: <001b01c12013$eafb74e0$58289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, I posted same question this morning, looks like it didn't get through - isp problem ? anybody else notice difficult connection last two days ?. Question: can anybody point me out how to connect old nak 'wired' remote to CA preamp ? Can I just make pin to pin connectors between that 8pin DIN ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Aug 8 16:23:32 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:23:32 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where are you from? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F571E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Nick Igritski. Moscow. Russia. 32 y.o. Wouter, what about the promised Naksters-gallery with photos, personal data and stuff? Sincerely Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 17:22:27 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <20010808132437.B99A711495A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808110837.029e9670@mail.verizon.net> Around October last year I was fortunate to find a source for these tapes. They are everything they are reputed to be, and stand heads and shoulders above any other cassette I have ever used - including all other metal formulations. I offered them to the Naktalk list and a couple of people bought some. I actually took a small loss on them at $10 each after the cost of shipping from Tokyo. Unfortunately, the e-mail to my source at the time no longer works and I can no longer get any more. I still have about 25 left, which I use for live recordings. If anyone finds these tapes, I'd like to buy more for myself. And no, mine are not for sale (at any reasonable price). By the way, come to Forest Park in Woodhaven on Sundays August 12 and 19, 4:00 PM for a concert by the Queens Symphony Orchestra. Stager Sound Systems is providing the sound reinforcement. __________________________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems NYC ============================================= At 8/8/01, you wrote: >Try your luck in getting the esoteric Sony' Super metal master tape >Kannan >-----Original Message----- >From: J >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:40 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > >Actually, I'm just over here for work...will be > >leaving in a year. BTW, haven't found any of those > >mythical Sony ES metal tapes yet. Will let the group > >know if I do. > > > >Jeff (Okinawa, Japan) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 8 17:42:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:42:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808110837.029e9670@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c12020$c75a22e0$31031fac@brianm> > I offered them to the Naktalk list and a couple > of people bought some. I actually took a small loss > on them at $10 each after the cost of shipping from > Tokyo. I was one that desired them. When they came in, I asked you if you knew of another buyer for mine to go ahead and sell them, if not I would purchase them, I never heard back from you. I didn't want to leave you stuck with tapes you ordered and didn't want. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 18:12:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:12:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/7/2001 11:34:18 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Bangalore India - Surprise we have a person from Japan! Nice to know where all our group members live - Regards to every one in this group Kannan >> Yes Kannan, I to find it wonderful that our Nak group includes members from all over the globe. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 18:20:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:20:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2001 12:35:21 AM Central Daylight Time, moklaba at yahoo.com writes: << Actually, I'm just over here for work...will be leaving in a year. BTW, haven't found any of those mythical Sony ES metal tapes yet. Will let the group know if I do. Jeff (Okinawa, Japan) >> Hi Jeff, Congratulations on the job location, that must be a really cool "gig." There are a few other cassette tapes that apparently only available in Japan. As I understand, any of the cassettes you purchase in Japan will be of better quality than what we can find here in the US. Have you been to Hong Kong yet? What do you do there for work? Chat with you soon. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 18:29:10 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:29:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep...I'm on a few different mailing lists (all automotive related) and this group has to be the most 'spread out' I've ever seen. Pretty neat how the internet makes the world smaller....and brings those with a common interest together (from all stretches of the globe) for some interesting and helpful discussions. Alex > Yes Kannan, I to find it wonderful that our Nak group includes > members from > all over the globe. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 18:36:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:36:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <38.1a1f701e.28a2c497@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:25:36 AM Central Daylight Time, marc.stager at verizon.net writes: << By the way, come to Forest Park in Woodhaven on Sundays August 12 and 19, 4:00 PM for a concert by the Queens Symphony Orchestra. Stager Sound Systems is providing the sound reinforcement. __________________________ Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems NYC >> Hi Marc, Do you have a website? Congrats on the cool business you're in. I wanted to ask you why you haven't gone over to the "dark" side and use a digital recorder for your live performances? That seems to be a trend, do you agree? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 8 18:47:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:47:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> In the wake of 'Where are you from' string, I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system. Any notable peculiarities would be of interest. I'll start the ball rolling... My A/V system is in an (almost) dedicated 14' x 23' family room. It occupies a short wall, in front of an (unused) fire place. The equipment is in two tall towers, flanking a 65" Toshiba TW65H80 RPTV (16:9 screen). The two towers are bridged above the TV by shelves that supports the center speaker. Speakers: Main R/L - Aerial Acoustics 10T Center - Aerial Acoustics CC3 Surrounds - Aerial Acoustics SR3 Subwoofer - Velodyne FSR15 Power amps: Front R/L - Aragon 8008ST (2 channel) Center, surrounds - Aragon 8008X3 (3 channel) Preamp: Denon AVP-8000 Recorders: Audio - Nakamichi CR-7a (Cassette) Video - Toshiba SV-F990 (SVHS) Sources: DVD Player - Pioneer DV-333 LD Player - Pioneer LD-D704 Turntable - ReVox B-791 CD Player - Denon DCM-560 Remote control: Marantz RC-5000i All cabling is home brew. I used 75 ohm 'high performance' coax for all interconnects (video, analog audio and digital audio), plus ready made cables for Y/C and component video connections. All, terminated with gold plated, machined body, fully coaxial 75 ohm RCA connectors. Surround speakers cables are twisted, jacketed 12AWG, routed inside walls and ceiling. Front speakers are bi-wired with 10AWG cables for the woofers and 12AWG for the mid/highs. The bi-wiring remains from listening test I ran 3 or 4 years ago (that conclusively proved to me that bi-wiring doesn't work -- at least, not in my system, not to my ears). There's an electrical distribution system in the back of the right tower, incorporating filtering, surge suppression, and two delayed relay circuits (0.5 Sec and 2 Sec) that stagger-power the power amps. There is a large (but insufficient) number of outlets. All power outlets and cables are in steel boxes and conduit, for obvious reasons. The power system is fed through a short hospital grade 12AWG cord, from a single 20A plug and wall outlet, that runs to a dedicated circuit breaker in the basement electrical panel. Ah... BTW, I hail from Central Mass, about 20 minutes from Boston (unless the Mass. Pike is jammed up, in which case the distance is indeterminate). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 19:06:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:06:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2001 11:50:22 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Preamp: Denon AVP-8000 >> Hi Ron, Nice system my friend. Does this system serve as both your audio and home theater? Also, can you tell me more about the Denon AVP-8000 Preamp? How is it's performance? How does it behave with your amps? Are there enough inputs? Also, I didn't see a tuner listed in you list. Do you have a tuner? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Aug 8 21:31:00 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:31:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003001c12040$a826dec0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Ron, Small world, grew up in Chicopee, and moved to Illinois about 3 years ago erie > Ah... BTW, I hail from Central Mass, about 20 minutes > from Boston (unless the Mass. Pike is jammed up, in > which case the distance is indeterminate). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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That's the reason I didn't mention Precision Power and Planet in > my earlier post. Their sound doesn't cut when compared to Butler and > Milbert. > > Carl, you got me thinking. Are you in Roseville, California? I'm in San > Francisco. How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > company called planet audio also sells mobile tube amps; or, maybe hybrid > > amps.....have no idea of the sound quality...just saw a flyer at a shop in > > roseville and recollect someone telling me about them years ago > > > > carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 19:42:09 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <020101c12031$77415060$9865fea9@D9569601> The Living Room: Denon AVR 3801 receiver (three channels used for center and surrounds); preamp outs to audio note amp Audio Note P2se (driving main speakers) amplifier Proceed D/A (series 2) Marantz CD63 mkII for transport (into proceed D/A) Pioneer c302 3 disc dvd changer (movies only) Tascam DA-30 ProDAT Nakamichi CR 7a (pair), Nakamichi zx9 and 680 (dual speed) Main speakers: Linn Keilidh Center: Spendor Rears: B & W Rock solids (5.25: woofer model) Panasonic 32" TV Planned Upgrades: Tube preamp with phono section; go active on the Linn speakers...use a second Audio Note amp with an Audio Research EC21 tube active crossover. Basically, will run two systems and change out speaker wires as required to use the home theatre. System A will be tube system for stereo listening; system B will rock the neighbours during movies. Garage System NAD tuner/preamp Bryston 1b (??)...50wpc stereo amp Audio Note DAC 1 Signature Adcom GCD 575 (cd player) Bedroom Bose soundwave CD/radio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Nak Talk" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems > > In the wake of 'Where are you from' string, I > thought it would also be interesting to learn what > list members have in the way of Audio (or > Audio/Video) system. Any notable peculiarities > would be of interest. I'll start the ball rolling... > > My A/V system is in an (almost) dedicated 14' x 23' > family room. It occupies a short wall, in front of > an (unused) fire place. The equipment is in two tall > towers, flanking a 65" Toshiba TW65H80 RPTV (16:9 > screen). The two towers are bridged above the TV by > shelves that supports the center speaker. > > Speakers: Main R/L - Aerial Acoustics 10T > Center - Aerial Acoustics CC3 > Surrounds - Aerial Acoustics SR3 > Subwoofer - Velodyne FSR15 > > Power amps: Front R/L - Aragon 8008ST (2 channel) > Center, surrounds - Aragon 8008X3 (3 channel) > > Preamp: Denon AVP-8000 > > Recorders: Audio - Nakamichi CR-7a (Cassette) > Video - Toshiba SV-F990 (SVHS) > > Sources: DVD Player - Pioneer DV-333 > LD Player - Pioneer LD-D704 > Turntable - ReVox B-791 > CD Player - Denon DCM-560 > > Remote control: Marantz RC-5000i > > All cabling is home brew. I used 75 ohm 'high > performance' coax for all interconnects (video, > analog audio and digital audio), plus ready made > cables for Y/C and component video connections. > All, terminated with gold plated, machined body, > fully coaxial 75 ohm RCA connectors. > > Surround speakers cables are twisted, jacketed 12AWG, > routed inside walls and ceiling. Front speakers are > bi-wired with 10AWG cables for the woofers and 12AWG > for the mid/highs. The bi-wiring remains from > listening test I ran 3 or 4 years ago (that > conclusively proved to me that bi-wiring doesn't > work -- at least, not in my system, not to my ears). > > There's an electrical distribution system in the back > of the right tower, incorporating filtering, surge > suppression, and two delayed relay circuits (0.5 Sec > and 2 Sec) that stagger-power the power amps. There > is a large (but insufficient) number of outlets. All > power outlets and cables are in steel boxes and > conduit, for obvious reasons. The power system is > fed through a short hospital grade 12AWG cord, from > a single 20A plug and wall outlet, that runs to a > dedicated circuit breaker in the basement electrical > panel. > > Ah... BTW, I hail from Central Mass, about 20 minutes > from Boston (unless the Mass. Pike is jammed up, in > which case the distance is indeterminate). > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 19:47:10 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:47:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> Message-ID: <02e301c12032$27e72d40$9865fea9@D9569601> What is this about sunfire woofers taking down preamps? Please elaborate; I've one of these woofers (gonna sell it and replace it with a Ruark, ADS, or Muse one of these days). Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not the > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down with > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > went. > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical and > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with the > internals. > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > reach, clean etc? > > Regards > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This way the M1.0t sounds good, much more open on the top, more punch or dynamics and good low volume resolution due to the diode bridge updates. For the $375 per amp I spent, I'm happy after the upgrades. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [SMTP:ruajw2 at idirect.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Carving Up Carver > > I agree about the Carver stuff sounding like crap. In the early 1980's > when > I first auditioned some Carver equipment, I was very disappointed. I had > seen so many ads in Stereo Review and other magazines for his equipment > and > thought this was going to be a treat. It was actually a trick! > > When I asked the salesman what he thought of Carver's sound, he declined > to > say it was good, but rather diplomatically said it was "different". > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 8 20:28:51 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:28:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: Message-ID: <3B7184E3.19460E0A@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/8/2001 11:50:22 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Preamp: Denon AVP-8000 >> > > Hi Ron, > > Nice system my friend. Does this system serve as both your audio and home > theater? Also, can you tell me more about the Denon AVP-8000 Preamp? How is > it's performance? How does it behave with your amps? Are there enough > inputs? Also, I didn't see a tuner listed in you list. Do you have a tuner? > > > -Sam This is my main system that serves for both HT and Audio. I also have a second system in the bedroom, that consists of a 27" TV, LD player, DVD player and a S-VHS VCR. (I am forbidden by my supreme command to add any additional electronics or speakers to the bedroom, for as long as I wish to occupy it at night). The AVP-8000 contains an AM/FM tuner (excellent FM, but AM sucks) with RDS (sexy, but limited use). There are 6 A/V (3 with recording loops) and 3 Audio inputs (one with recording loop). An RF modulator for DD (Dolby Digital) Laser discs is built in. There is no phono preamp (I built the PCB stolen from a Creek OBH-8 preamp into my turntable base, so the TT output is already at line level). My preamp can deal with DPL (Dolby ProLogic) and DD. The newer AVP-8000DTS (same price) also decodes DTS. There are several multi-channel simulation modes for stereo sources, a couple of which are actually useful. Good (not excellent, but good) remote, but who cares -- I have it programmed into the RC-5000i. Sound quality of the AVP-8000 is surprisingly good. Highs are ultra clean and airy. The bass is weighty solid and tight. DACs are the older BB PCM1702 20 bit DACs, yet it holds its own in comparison with 1704 based units. There is a 'Direct' mode that bypasses the digital conversions. Ergonomically, the design has it's quirks and shortcoming (what pre/pro doesn't?). OTOH, it also offers some niceties unavailable elsewhere. On the whole, I find living with it extremely pleasant. As to value -- it was excellent when bought, but no more. It lists for $3500, as against the Integra Research RDC-7 $4000 list price. The latter's performance is said to excel just about anything else on the market (I am still waiting for a demo from the local rep). However, having been on the market for a while, used AVP-8000s may be available for $1000 to $1500 (I saw a post for one at $600. Turned out to be a mirage). For that kind of money, I would recommend it heartily to anyone looking for a unit that will support both HT and Music equally well. Be happy to answer any other questions you may have, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 20:55:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:55:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> <005601c11e83$bb76d200$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B6ECDF3.43AAE63D@earthlink.net> <01f601c12030$e3685870$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B718B0F.2C603F42@earthlink.net> Hey, hey! I figured someone on Naktalk had to live here in the Bay Area, or even in California. Howdy, neighbor. Jim Volpatti Carl Cobb wrote: > > Oakland, CA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The most difficult part for me is in re-aligning roller guide / tape path without proper tools (painful !) - and in my case the shaft almost always got pulled out too. On that terrible squeaking / screeching noise when mode went through "stop", I applied only one drop of oil right at that plastic wheel's shaft and it dissapeared instantly. Not on the cam itself but on cam drive gear (plastic wheel which is driven by belt from control motor). Stephen's own words: > The "going to stop squeak" has, in every case on my bench, been cured by a > single drop of oil applied to the shaft of the main mode control drive > pulley(the one the belt goes around from the motor pulley). Good luck & congrats on your new gem ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 6:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 > I got received the RX-505 I bought off eBay and it's > in excellent condition, but, it doesn't play. > > The problem with it not playing is the control belt is > a little loose. I cleaned it up with rubber > revitalizer and now it goes into play mode just fine, > but, it makes a bad noise changing modes though. > Something needs to be relubed. I lubed the cam, but, > that doesn't seem to be it. (Stephen any ideas?) > > Another problem is that while in play mode the pinch > rollers don't engage, so the tape goes really really > fast. It appears that both pinch roller pivot > bearings are stuck in the up position. When I force > the pinch rollers to engage it's fine. I didn't think > the pinch roller pivot point had any lubricant to dry > out. Is this a common failure item. > > It seems that if I replace the control motor belt and > the two pinch rollers it should be in good shape. Any > other items I should replace? > > I still haven't received my RX-202? That one should > be easy. I'll wait and order parts for the two RX > decks together. > > SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Pike is jammed up, in > > which case the distance is indeterminate). > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 8 21:11:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:11:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> <02e301c12032$27e72d40$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <024f01c1203d$fd59cfe0$043442cf@sank1> Apparently, the Sunfire subs have very poor isolation(if any) between it's amp & the AC power line. A power spike(lightning, etc.) damaging the amp is virtually guaranteed to send the surge right on back to the preamp. This is based on feedback from the local dealer for the product, some of it's clients, and a number of internet newsgroup postings I've read. I have not yet had the "pleasure" of working on one. I do have direct experience, though, with the things causing ground loop hum problems, due, I'm sure, to this poor AC line isolation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > What is this about sunfire woofers taking down preamps? Please elaborate; > I've one of these woofers (gonna sell it and replace it with a Ruark, ADS, > or Muse one of these days). > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Antony" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side Henry > > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio Research > > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not > the > > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those Sunfire > > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down > with > > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One more > > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > > went. > > > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical and > > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with > the > > internals. > > > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > > reach, clean etc? > > > > Regards > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Wed Aug 8 21:14:18 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:14:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: Message-ID: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional music. Mono speaker system. I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would love to hear any "feedback". Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, very little feedback problems. If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] remote connectors > > Hi Nakfellas, > > I posted same question this morning, looks like it didn't get through - isp > problem ? anybody else notice difficult connection last two days ?. > > Question: can anybody point me out how to connect old nak 'wired' remote to > CA preamp ? Can I just make pin to pin connectors between that 8pin DIN ? > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 8 21:40:03 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:40:03 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from In-Reply-To: <000301c11fcd$00c8c940$94c59d40@compaq> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010809073932.02149220@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Brett Dickel Dunedin, New Zealand At 22:43 7/08/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Mark Exstedt >Phoenix, Arizona >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:35 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > Wantirna, Victoria, Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stan Targowski [mailto:targowski at mediaone.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 8:06 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... > > > > > > Chicago, IL, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Roland Alford > > Sent: Mon, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > How about everyone else. Where are you from? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm in West Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > Roland > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >---------------------------------------------------- >NetZero Platinum >Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! >http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 22:07:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:07:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B719C1A.5C621CF6@earthlink.net> ..."I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system." Well, I'm a high end audio dealer who specializes in two channel music systems (you won't find ANY home theater gear in my shop) so I have all kinds of goodies here (I'm VERY spoiled!) but my current reference system consists of the following: Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade Crown Jewel SE cartridge Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm JA Michell Orbe turntable Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro cartridges) InnerSound Line Stage InnerSound Crossover/amp (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) that feeds the Electrostatic Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which drives the Eros' panels InnerSound Eros actively bi-amplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except for the phono interconnect Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my office because the music played by this system pulls me into the listening room. But hey, who's complaining! Cheers! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 8 22:33:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:33:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> <3B719C1A.5C621CF6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B71A1FD.9C17B8E2@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > ..."I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members > have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system." > > Well, I'm a high end audio dealer who specializes in two channel music > systems (you won't find ANY home theater gear in my shop) so I have all > kinds of goodies here (I'm VERY spoiled!) but my current reference > system consists of the following: > > Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade > > Crown Jewel SE cartridge > Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm > JA Michell Orbe turntable > Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable > Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro > cartridges) > > InnerSound Line Stage > InnerSound Crossover/amp (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) that feeds the Electrostatic > Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers > InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which > drives the Eros' panels > InnerSound Eros actively bi-amplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers > > I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except > for the phono interconnect > Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects > Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable > > Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my > office because the music played by this system pulls me into the > listening room. But hey, who's complaining! > > Cheers! > > Jim Volpatti > All I can say is " W O W ! ! ! " I don't know the equipment at all, but I *have* heard the names. I'm almost afraid to ask, how much do all theses goodies list for? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 22:35:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:35:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B71A297.DF0EDC55@earthlink.net> Oh, and I almost forgot. All of my components rest exclusively on Zoethecus amps stands and equipment racks. Ciao, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Aug 8 23:03:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:03:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> <02e301c12032$27e72d40$9865fea9@D9569601> <024f01c1203d$fd59cfe0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B71A915.B664E5F0@pacbell.net> Has anybody seen the carver amp ad with Bob's hand signature? I Have never seen the metering that is present in the middle of the unit and was just curious what that meter is measuring. Brian Stephen Sank wrote: > Apparently, the Sunfire subs have very poor isolation(if any) between it's > amp & the AC power line. A power spike(lightning, etc.) damaging the amp is > virtually guaranteed to send the surge right on back to the preamp. This is > based on feedback from the local dealer for the product, some of it's > clients, and a number of internet newsgroup postings I've read. I have not > yet had the "pleasure" of working on one. I do have direct experience, > though, with the things causing ground loop hum problems, due, I'm sure, to > this poor AC line isolation. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > What is this about sunfire woofers taking down preamps? Please elaborate; > > I've one of these woofers (gonna sell it and replace it with a Ruark, ADS, > > or Muse one of these days). > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Antony" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side > Henry > > > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio > Research > > > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not > > the > > > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those > Sunfire > > > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down > > with > > > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One > more > > > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > > > > > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > > > went. > > > > > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical > and > > > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > > > > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with > > the > > > internals. > > > > > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > > > reach, clean etc? > > > > > > Regards > > > Jason > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 23:02:48 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:02:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <28.195dc1e1.28a302f8@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/2001 2:17:39 PM Central Daylight Time, ruajw2 at idirect.com writes: << Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional music. Mono speaker system. I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would love to hear any "feedback". Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, very little feedback problems. If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. Thanx, Roland >> Hi Roland, Although I am new to the professional market, I can attest that we use two QSC amps where I am being trained (a post production station feeding the final audio signal to the television part of the house, as well as the final DAT masters and cassette masters for duplication) and they have performed extremely well. We also have a new Yamaha board that is simply wonderful. I can get the model number for you this weekend if you need. We also use Mackie and Tascam. (I'm currently using a Tascam M-2600 MK II with a Mackie SR 24-4 attached to it). There are several people who subscribe to this list that can speak to the microphone and overall setup better than I can. I hope this helps! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 23:12:21 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:12:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:11:00 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my office because the music played by this system pulls me into the listening room. But hey, who's complaining! Cheers! Jim Volpatti >> Jim, can I stop by for a listen? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 8 23:18:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:18:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: <1e.19b777fb.28a3069a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:37:48 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Oh, and I almost forgot. All of my components rest exclusively on Zoethecus amps stands and equipment racks. Ciao, Jim Volpatti >> Jim, you're making us all drool. Would it be rude to ask what all of these goodies cost? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Aug 8 23:27:47 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:27:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> I recently went to an audition of an electronic (yuck) organ that a beautiful church in our community bought to replace the original pipe organ. When Bat's toccata and fugue in d major was played, the TOA amps that the organ company decided to employ clipped soooooooo badly that I was embarrassed and felt sorry for the hard working parishioners who contributed a great deal of $$ for the new system. So you are right, TOA amps are, IMHO, satisfactory, at best. I am in the process of completing my whole house system which will have 6 dedicated sets of inwalls and 2 stereo speaker wall outlets in 2 other rooms. I am in the process of tracking down a McIntosh mc2300 amp that I have no doubt will run the whole system effortlessly. If you can employ used equipment for this job, you should consider McIntosh amplification. As Stephen Sank says, "the mc 2300, 2500 and 2600 are designed to run 24/7 for 300 years". I am curious about what the group thinks of TOA components What kind, type and quantity of speakers are you using? Brian Roland Alford wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > music. Mono speaker system. > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > love to hear any "feedback". > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > very little feedback problems. > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > Thanx, > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 23:24:30 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:24:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> Hi Roland, I spent the first eight years of my career as a sound reinforcement engineer and have used a ton of gear. In sound reinforcement, reliability is the true name of the game. After all, "the show must go on" and who cares how great the PA sounds if it goes down in the middle of a show. Before I can make any specific recommendations, I need some information. How will the theater be used (live theater, concert sound reinforcement, seminars, etc)? How large is the space? Have the speakers already been chosen? If so, which ones? As far as brands of amplification, I've never been disappointed by Crown International's higher end amplifiers. The Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech series (if they are still being produced) are bullet proof and sound great. Well worth the investment. If you have enough money in the budget, I'd buy these. I'm not sure how the microphones will be used (recording, reinforcement or both) but I've always had a preference for Beyer and Sennheiser dynamic mics. I'll hold off making any specific recommendations until we hear back from you. Ciao for now, Jim Volpatti Roland Alford wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > music. Mono speaker system. > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > love to hear any "feedback". > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > very little feedback problems. > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > Thanx, > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 00:12:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:12:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <014701c12057$361d0680$31031fac@brianm> Brian, Here is a link to a MC-2300 forsale. http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?ampstran&1000638069 Has anyone had a chance to audition any of McIntosh's new line of integrated amps? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > I recently went to an audition of an electronic (yuck) organ that a beautiful church > in our community bought to replace the original pipe organ. When Bat's toccata and > fugue in d major was played, the TOA amps that the organ company decided to employ > clipped soooooooo badly that I was embarrassed and felt sorry for the hard working > parishioners who contributed a great deal of $$ for the new system. > > So you are right, TOA amps are, IMHO, satisfactory, at best. I am in the process of > completing my whole house system which will have 6 dedicated sets of inwalls and 2 > stereo speaker wall outlets in 2 other rooms. I am in the process of tracking down a > McIntosh mc2300 amp that I have no doubt will run the whole system effortlessly. If > you can employ used equipment for this job, you should consider McIntosh > amplification. As Stephen Sank says, "the mc 2300, 2500 and 2600 are designed to run > 24/7 for 300 years". > > I am curious about what the group thinks of TOA components > > What kind, type and quantity of speakers are you using? > > Brian > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > > music. Mono speaker system. > > > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > > love to hear any "feedback". > > > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > > very little feedback problems. > > > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 9 00:37:27 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:37:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> <014701c12057$361d0680$31031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B71BF14.3B8F6BE9@pacbell.net> Thank you for the link, Brian. $2000 is on the high side. Ebay usually gets around 1000 - 1300. have not heard the new integrated amps, although I hear that their amplifier technology has improved on the hi end amps in terms of transparency, depth, etc. Are you a Mcintosh user? Brian Brian Miller wrote: > Brian, > > Here is a link to a MC-2300 forsale. > > http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?ampstran&1000638069 > > Has anyone had a chance to audition any of McIntosh's new line of integrated > amps? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > I recently went to an audition of an electronic (yuck) organ that a > beautiful church > > in our community bought to replace the original pipe organ. When Bat's > toccata and > > fugue in d major was played, the TOA amps that the organ company decided > to employ > > clipped soooooooo badly that I was embarrassed and felt sorry for the hard > working > > parishioners who contributed a great deal of $$ for the new system. > > > > So you are right, TOA amps are, IMHO, satisfactory, at best. I am in the > process of > > completing my whole house system which will have 6 dedicated sets of > inwalls and 2 > > stereo speaker wall outlets in 2 other rooms. I am in the process of > tracking down a > > McIntosh mc2300 amp that I have no doubt will run the whole system > effortlessly. If > > you can employ used equipment for this job, you should consider McIntosh > > amplification. As Stephen Sank says, "the mc 2300, 2500 and 2600 are > designed to run > > 24/7 for 300 years". > > > > I am curious about what the group thinks of TOA components > > > > What kind, type and quantity of speakers are you using? > > > > Brian > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > > > > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > > > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level > sources > > > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with > occasional > > > music. Mono speaker system. > > > > > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power > amp, > > > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past > and > > > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just > would > > > love to hear any "feedback". > > > > > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. > I > > > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked > well, > > > very little feedback problems. > > > > > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good > to > > > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing > it, > > > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > > > > > Thanx, > > > Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 00:32:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:32:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> <3B719C1A.5C621CF6@earthlink.net> <3B71A1FD.9C17B8E2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B71BDF7.2028F9FA@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, I do quite a bit of research and very product in my shop, regardless of price, competes with others at two to five times the price. I've said this before but the best value in high end audio is with the lesser known manufacturers. It takes far more time to find these companies but this, careful system matching and set up is what allows me to surpass my customers' expectations. Just as an example, I have a customer just called me and told me that he made the mistake of replacing his $5995 InnerSound Eros hybrid electrostats with a pair of $20,000 Sonus Faber Amati. He just called me the other day and placed an order for a new pair of Eros. Anyway,to answer your question, here are the prices: Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade ($4995) Crown Jewel SE cartridge ($2650) Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm ($3230) JA Michell Orbe turntable ($4200) Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable ($600) Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro cartridges) ($1350) InnerSound Line Stage ($2995) InnerSound Crossover/Amplifier (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) which feeds the Electrostatic Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers (part of the Eros loudspeaker system) InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which drives the Eros' panels ($2995) InnerSound Eros actively biamplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers ($5995, including crossover/amplifier) I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except for the phono interconnect Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects ($630/meter) Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable ($639 for an eight foot pair) The sound is extremely transparent and dynamic (both macro and micro dynamics) yet relaxed and involving too. It draws you in and doesn't let you go. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > All I can say is " W O W ! ! ! " I don't know the equipment > at all, but I *have* heard the names. > > I'm almost afraid to ask, how much do all theses goodies > list for? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > ..."I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members > > have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system." > > > > Well, I'm a high end audio dealer who specializes in two channel music > > systems (you won't find ANY home theater gear in my shop) so I have all > > kinds of goodies here (I'm VERY spoiled!) but my current reference > > system consists of the following: > > > > Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade > > > > Crown Jewel SE cartridge > > Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm > > JA Michell Orbe turntable > > Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable > > Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro > > cartridges) > > > > InnerSound Line Stage > > InnerSound Crossover/amp (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) that feeds the Electrostatic > > Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers > > InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which > > drives the Eros' panels > > InnerSound Eros actively bi-amplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers > > > > I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except > > for the phono interconnect > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable > > > > Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my > > office because the music played by this system pulls me into the > > listening room. But hey, who's complaining! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 00:41:53 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:41:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: Message-ID: <3B71C031.92A15D6E@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, Sure! Call me at 415 928-2990 so that we can arrange a convenient time. Cheers, Jim Volpatti > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Jim, can I stop by for a listen? > > -Sam > > In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:11:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my > office because the music played by this system pulls me into the > listening room. But hey, who's complaining! > > Cheers! > > Jim Volpatti >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 00:44:04 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:44:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> <014701c12057$361d0680$31031fac@brianm> <3B71BF14.3B8F6BE9@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <018601c1205b$a2090f20$31031fac@brianm> Hi Brian, No, I have never owned a McIntosh product. I was just curious about them as I had read a number of favorable user reviews about them. I assume you are a McIntosh user? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: britri at pacbell.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio Thank you for the link, Brian. $2000 is on the high side. Ebay usually gets around 1000 - 1300. have not heard the new integrated amps, although I hear that their amplifier technology has improved on the hi end amps in terms of transparency, depth, etc. Are you a Mcintosh user? Brian Brian Miller wrote: Brian, Here is a link to a MC-2300 forsale. http://gonmain.iserver.net/cgi-bin/cl.pl?ampstran&1000638069 Has anyone had a chance to audition any of McIntosh's new line of integrated amps? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > I recently went to an audition of an electronic (yuck) organ that a beautiful church > in our community bought to replace the original pipe organ. When Bat's toccata and > fugue in d major was played, the TOA amps that the organ company decided to employ > clipped soooooooo badly that I was embarrassed and felt sorry for the hard working > parishioners who contributed a great deal of $$ for the new system. > > So you are right, TOA amps are, IMHO, satisfactory, at best. I am in the process of > completing my whole house system which will have 6 dedicated sets of inwalls and 2 > stereo speaker wall outlets in 2 other rooms. I am in the process of tracking down a > McIntosh mc2300 amp that I have no doubt will run the whole system effortlessly. If > you can employ used equipment for this job, you should consider McIntosh > amplification. As Stephen Sank says, "the mc 2300, 2500 and 2600 are designed to run > 24/7 for 300 years". > > I am curious about what the group thinks of TOA components > > What kind, type and quantity of speakers are you using? > > Brian > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > > music. Mono speaker system. > > > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > > love to hear any "feedback". > > > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > > very little feedback problems. > > > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I can recall having heck of a time to get Magnepans set in the room several years ago - yet, once I found the spot, they sounded great ... I remember someone told me that when you by a Steinway Piano, they will come to your house to ensure the placement and acoustics are right - so that the neighbor's Yamaha or Kwai doesn't sound better. Being on the topic. Just out of curiosity, who buys systems like these, i.e., 30K+? People like members of this list who are to some degree fanatics, or plain rich people, who have $750,000 3 bedroom house and need proportionally expensive stereo? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Wed, August 08, 2001 5:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Hi Ron, I do quite a bit of research and very product in my shop, regardless of price, competes with others at two to five times the price. I've said this before but the best value in high end audio is with the lesser known manufacturers. It takes far more time to find these companies but this, careful system matching and set up is what allows me to surpass my customers' expectations. Just as an example, I have a customer just called me and told me that he made the mistake of replacing his $5995 InnerSound Eros hybrid electrostats with a pair of $20,000 Sonus Faber Amati. He just called me the other day and placed an order for a new pair of Eros. Anyway,to answer your question, here are the prices: Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade ($4995) Crown Jewel SE cartridge ($2650) Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm ($3230) JA Michell Orbe turntable ($4200) Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable ($600) Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro cartridges) ($1350) InnerSound Line Stage ($2995) InnerSound Crossover/Amplifier (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) which feeds the Electrostatic Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers (part of the Eros loudspeaker system) InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which drives the Eros' panels ($2995) InnerSound Eros actively biamplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers ($5995, including crossover/amplifier) I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except for the phono interconnect Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects ($630/meter) Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable ($639 for an eight foot pair) The sound is extremely transparent and dynamic (both macro and micro dynamics) yet relaxed and involving too. It draws you in and doesn't let you go. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > All I can say is " W O W ! ! ! " I don't know the equipment > at all, but I *have* heard the names. > > I'm almost afraid to ask, how much do all theses goodies > list for? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > ..."I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members > > have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system." > > > > Well, I'm a high end audio dealer who specializes in two channel music > > systems (you won't find ANY home theater gear in my shop) so I have all > > kinds of goodies here (I'm VERY spoiled!) but my current reference > > system consists of the following: > > > > Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade > > > > Crown Jewel SE cartridge > > Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm > > JA Michell Orbe turntable > > Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable > > Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro > > cartridges) > > > > InnerSound Line Stage > > InnerSound Crossover/amp (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) that feeds the Electrostatic > > Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers > > InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which > > drives the Eros' panels > > InnerSound Eros actively bi-amplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers > > > > I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except > > for the phono interconnect > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable > > > > Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my > > office because the music played by this system pulls me into the > > listening room. But hey, who's complaining! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 01:11:37 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <20010808231137.99305.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> The squeaking disappeared with one drop of oil in the right place. The pinch rollers or a different matter. I can get the pinch rollers to engage the capstans but the entire shaft rotates with it. It is really stuck good. I am afraid to take them apart but I feel I have no other choice. Thanks for your help. You confirmed what I suspected. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Wed Aug 8 05:19:44 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:19:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections References: <3B713611.5DB61782@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <004501c11fb8$f93491a0$e505efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections Thanks Marc, I am certifiable. I have had some from new and some I just recently picked up. I was looking for the Aiwa XKS9000 for a long time, finally got one from the original owner last year (he had 2 and this was his back up) and then found another in similar condition recently and couldn't resist. I think it is a wonderful deck, great transport, well built and HEAVY. It has one of the best Dolby S installations that I have heard. I think that the Naks (and 3014A) are better, but it is very close in many respects, just doesn't have the same "air" and detail. Kevin > Hi Kevin: > > I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding > cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are you > a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? > Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. How do > you rate them? > > Cheers, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 01:22:01 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT - where are you from ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010808232201.47348.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Sam, I'm in the AF -- working at Kadena AB. Haven't been to HK. Really busy over here--not much free time. Have been to Tokyo and Kyoto on short visits. Went to Sony HQ in Tokyo and visited briefly. Also, spun through Akihabara--electronics district in a couple hours. Unfortunately, wasn't in the market for tapes at the time. Jeff > Hi Jeff, > > Congratulations on the job location, that must be a > really cool "gig." There > are a few other cassette tapes that apparently only > available in Japan. As I > understand, any of the cassettes you purchase in > Japan will be of better > quality than what we can find here in the US. Have > you been to Hong Kong > yet? What do you do there for work? Chat with you > soon. > > -Sam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 02:22:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <010801c11fa5$63bd4da0$043442cf@sank1> <3B712555.3941.7F9544@localhost> <02e301c12032$27e72d40$9865fea9@D9569601> <024f01c1203d$fd59cfe0$043442cf@sank1> <3B71A915.B664E5F0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <02c501c12069$5b9c2820$043442cf@sank1> That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid Carver gimmick. Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Has anybody seen the carver amp ad with Bob's hand signature? I Have never seen the > metering that is present in the middle of the unit and was just curious what that > meter is measuring. > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Apparently, the Sunfire subs have very poor isolation(if any) between it's > > amp & the AC power line. A power spike(lightning, etc.) damaging the amp is > > virtually guaranteed to send the surge right on back to the preamp. This is > > based on feedback from the local dealer for the product, some of it's > > clients, and a number of internet newsgroup postings I've read. I have not > > yet had the "pleasure" of working on one. I do have direct experience, > > though, with the things causing ground loop hum problems, due, I'm sure, to > > this poor AC line isolation. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > What is this about sunfire woofers taking down preamps? Please elaborate; > > > I've one of these woofers (gonna sell it and replace it with a Ruark, ADS, > > > or Muse one of these days). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jason Antony" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > > > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > > > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side > > Henry > > > > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio > > Research > > > > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > > > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not > > > the > > > > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > > > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those > > Sunfire > > > > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down > > > with > > > > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One > > more > > > > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > > > > went. > > > > > > > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical > > and > > > > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > > > > > > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with > > > the > > > > internals. > > > > > > > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > > > > reach, clean etc? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 02:40:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:40:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: <20010808231137.99305.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02f401c1206b$ec67ce20$043442cf@sank1> Sorry to hear that, Scott. Once the roller arm(s) is removed, the shaft(s) will need to be firmly glued/epoxied into the chassis' nylon molding. Once that press-fit is loosened, there's no other choice. I can offer the loan of my guide alignment jig, but I would need it back very quickly, since it gets used very frequently. When re-assembling, I consider it best to use just a tiny bit of light silicone grease on the shafts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > The squeaking disappeared with one drop of oil in the > right place. The pinch rollers or a different matter. > I can get the pinch rollers to engage the capstans > but the entire shaft rotates with it. It is really > stuck good. I am afraid to take them apart but I feel > I have no other choice. Thanks for your help. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thu Aug 9 02:39:50 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:39:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A241@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, I was one who received two that I bought. They sound great but I'm only using one, the other one is still in it's wrapper and might stay that way until I decide to make another special recording on it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Miller [mailto:brianm at grar.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 1:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > I offered them to the Naktalk list and a couple > of people bought some. I actually took a small loss > on them at $10 each after the cost of shipping from > Tokyo. I was one that desired them. When they came in, I asked you if you knew of another buyer for mine to go ahead and sell them, if not I would purchase them, I never heard back from you. I didn't want to leave you stuck with tapes you ordered and didn't want. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 02:55:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:55:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> I agree that specific recommendations can't be made without more specifics on the nature of the installation(and the budget), but I can add a bit of info. While Mackie's are usually reliable & decent sounding, I consider Yamaha to be much better for mixers, in terms of reliability, sound & ease of service. Tascam boards are generally a huge pain in the neck to work on & are less reliable, in my experience than Yamaha. Regardless of budget & application, it's hard to go wrong with a Yamaha. On power amps, I would NOT recommend Crown. They are seriously overpriced, don't sound all that great & if the fan dies, or airflow is otherwise restricted, they tend to go up in flames. WAY too little heatsinking for the power output. QSC's are OK, but not quite top notch on reliability or sound. Assuming that even old McIntosh solid state amps are out of the question(but which would be the best choice, for sure), the pro line of Hafler amps are both extremely reliable & quite good sounding. I'm a ribbon mic guy, so it's tough for me to recommend ANY dynamic mic, but one of the LAST brands I would consider good is EV. I'd much sooner recommend Shure SM-58 or SM-57, or any Beyer above $150 retail price. Sennheisers just don't sound good to me, and tend to be overpriced. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > Hi Roland, > > I spent the first eight years of my career as a sound reinforcement > engineer and have used a ton of gear. > > In sound reinforcement, reliability is the true name of the game. After > all, "the show must go on" and who cares how great the PA sounds if it > goes down in the middle of a show. > > Before I can make any specific recommendations, I need some information. > How will the theater be used (live theater, concert sound reinforcement, > seminars, etc)? How large is the space? Have the speakers already been > chosen? If so, which ones? > > As far as brands of amplification, I've never been disappointed by Crown > International's higher end amplifiers. The Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech > series (if they are still being produced) are bullet proof and sound > great. Well worth the investment. If you have enough money in the > budget, I'd buy these. > > I'm not sure how the microphones will be used (recording, reinforcement > or both) but I've always had a preference for Beyer and Sennheiser > dynamic mics. I'll hold off making any specific recommendations until we > hear back from you. > > Ciao for now, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > > music. Mono speaker system. > > > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > > love to hear any "feedback". > > > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > > very little feedback problems. > > > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Aug 9 03:07:11 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:07:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver In-Reply-To: <02c501c12069$5b9c2820$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen - I bet the Carver receiver is some sort of revenge from someone - does it say Raymond on the return address - remember that dude? (Blast from the past .... LOL). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wed, August 08, 2001 7:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid Carver gimmick. Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Has anybody seen the carver amp ad with Bob's hand signature? I Have never seen the > metering that is present in the middle of the unit and was just curious what that > meter is measuring. > > Brian > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Apparently, the Sunfire subs have very poor isolation(if any) between it's > > amp & the AC power line. A power spike(lightning, etc.) damaging the amp is > > virtually guaranteed to send the surge right on back to the preamp. This is > > based on feedback from the local dealer for the product, some of it's > > clients, and a number of internet newsgroup postings I've read. I have not > > yet had the "pleasure" of working on one. I do have direct experience, > > though, with the things causing ground loop hum problems, due, I'm sure, to > > this poor AC line isolation. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:47 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > What is this about sunfire woofers taking down preamps? Please elaborate; > > > I've one of these woofers (gonna sell it and replace it with a Ruark, ADS, > > > or Muse one of these days). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jason Antony" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > I could go on a serious rant about Bob Carver. I'll try to restrain > > > > > myself. I doubt there is a service tech in the world that wouldn't get > > > > > some satisfaction of seeing that guy's head on a pike. Along side > > Henry > > > > > Kloss's head, and the heads of those responsible for how Audio > > Research > > > > > stuff is put together(with nary a prayer of taking apart). Scott, just > > > > > wait until your dad's receiver needs it's speaker relays cleaned. Not > > > the > > > > > worst job, but typical of the stupidity that goes into virtually > > > > > everything Carver has anything to do with. And how 'bout those > > Sunfire > > > > > subwoofers of his? When it's amp blows up, it takes your preamp down > > > with > > > > > it. Better stop myself. I'm getting venomous. Get the point? One > > more > > > > > point: I've yet to hear any Carver product sound good, either. > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry about the earlier blank post, hit the magic key combo and off it > > > > went. > > > > > > > > So Stephen, what you're essentially saying is Carver is poor physical > > and > > > > electronic design implementation, and sounds like crap? :-) > > > > > > > > I can see why it makes your blood boil, esp. when you wanna tinker with > > > the > > > > internals. > > > > > > > > Will you kindly elaborate on the speaker relay issue? Are they hard to > > > > reach, clean etc? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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They sound great but I'm only using one, the other one is still in it's wrapper and might stay that way until I decide to make another special recording on it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Miller [mailto:brianm at grar.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 1:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > I offered them to the Naktalk list and a couple > of people bought some. I actually took a small loss > on them at $10 each after the cost of shipping from > Tokyo. I was one that desired them. When they came in, I asked you if you knew of another buyer for mine to go ahead and sell them, if not I would purchase them, I never heard back from you. I didn't want to leave you stuck with tapes you ordered and didn't want. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I was looking for the Aiwa XKS9000 for a long time, > finally got one from the original owner last year (he had 2 and this was his > back up) and then found another in similar condition recently and couldn't > resist. I think it is a wonderful deck, great transport, well built and > HEAVY. > It has one of the best Dolby S installations that I have heard. I think that > the Naks (and 3014A) are better, but it is very close in many respects, just > doesn't have the same "air" and detail. > > Kevin > > > Hi Kevin: > > > > I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding > > cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are you > > a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? > > Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. How do > > you rate them? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khambawati at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 03:58:40 2001 From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:58:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback level problem Message-ID: This is about a 1981 LX3 of which I am the original owner. In the past, it has stayed in places with high humidity. It was serviced in Ottawa Canada in March 2000. All three belts were replaced with original Nak belts and pinch rollers were changed as well. Deck was calibrated. Except for a slightly harsh playback of recorded material, it was working satisfactory. In July 2001, I noticed a slight drop in the playback output level in the right channel. The drop is clearly noticeable on the level meters and is audible to some degree as well. It is seen on all types of tape with different recordings. I have cleaned the heads and capstans with isopropyl alcohol. There is no difference. Grateful for advice. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 04:28:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:28:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback level problem References: Message-ID: <039d01c1207a$edc51660$043442cf@sank1> First thing that springs to mind is the problem we've just been discussing with Scott's RX-505. Pop your tape door off & close the door frame, then put the deck into play mode. Reach in & press down on each pinch roller. If either one fails to snap right back up again, or didn't come up in the first place, then you have grease seizure on the arm pivot shafts. Having just one roller fully engaged can cause the symptom you describe. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback level problem > This is about a 1981 LX3 of which I am the original owner. In the past, it > has stayed in places with high humidity. It was serviced in Ottawa Canada in > March 2000. All three belts were replaced with original Nak belts and pinch > rollers were changed as well. Deck was calibrated. Except for a slightly > harsh playback of recorded material, it was working satisfactory. > > In July 2001, I noticed a slight drop in the playback output level in the > right channel. The drop is clearly noticeable on the level meters and is > audible to some degree as well. It is seen on all types of tape with > different recordings. I have cleaned the heads and capstans with isopropyl > alcohol. There is no difference. > > Grateful for advice. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 04:31:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:31:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: <20010808231137.99305.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> <02f401c1206b$ec67ce20$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003001c1207b$6abfb760$47289bca@smarzuki> Scott, after I cleaned the shaft and put / press it back to place, I put one tiny drop of superglue *from behind* meaning it will grip the back end of the shaft. Pretty strong and easy to clean / remove if needed later on. SM PS: Try to 'remember' current tape path on erase head if you can't get any tools at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > Sorry to hear that, Scott. Once the roller arm(s) is removed, the shaft(s) > will need to be firmly glued/epoxied into the chassis' nylon molding. Once > that press-fit is loosened, there's no other choice. I can offer the loan > of my guide alignment jig, but I would need it back very quickly, since it > gets used very frequently. When re-assembling, I consider it best to use > just a tiny bit of light silicone grease on the shafts. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 04:33:03 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:33:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: Message-ID: <003701c1207b$a01ce900$47289bca@smarzuki> You meant rrrayyyymmmmonnnd ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Stephen - I bet the Carver receiver is some sort of revenge from someone - > does it say Raymond on the return address - remember that dude? (Blast from > the past .... LOL). > > Stan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Thu Aug 9 03:55:49 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:55:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections References: <3B713611.5DB61782@sunint.co.za> <004501c11fb8$f93491a0$e505efd1@kevinrog> <3B71E65E.491F1A0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001f01c12076$6b343d60$aa06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections Hi Ron. I can hook up to 9 at a time. Two Perreaux switchers with DBX 200XG switchers. usually I just rotate them in and out. Kevin > > Mark, How do you get to listen to all these decks? The > switching facility required must be something enormous. > For sure, no receiver or preamp has that many inputs. > > Just curious, > > -- Ron > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:52 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > > > Thanks Marc, I am certifiable. I have had some from new and some I just > > recently picked up. I was looking for the Aiwa XKS9000 for a long time, > > finally got one from the original owner last year (he had 2 and this was his > > back up) and then found another in similar condition recently and couldn't > > resist. I think it is a wonderful deck, great transport, well built and > > HEAVY. > > It has one of the best Dolby S installations that I have heard. I think that > > the Naks (and 3014A) are better, but it is very close in many respects, just > > doesn't have the same "air" and detail. > > > > Kevin > > > > > Hi Kevin: > > > > > > I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding > > > cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are you > > > a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? > > > Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. How do > > > you rate them? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:20:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:20:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: In a message dated 8/8/2001 7:48:49 PM Central Daylight Time, Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au writes: << Hi all, I was one who received two that I bought. They sound great but I'm only using one, the other one is still in it's wrapper and might stay that way until I decide to make another special recording on it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> Hi Tom, How would you rate the Sony Metal ES. Does it live up to it's hype? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:38:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:38:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES blank cassette media Message-ID: <11a.2cad07f.28a36da8@aol.com> Hi All, Maybe this is a "dumb" question, although I don't believe there is anything such as a dumb question. But surely there must be a website where we can purchase the ever-elusive and often-touted Sony ES Metal blank cassettes? Does anyone on this list know of an online distributor of these cassettes? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:42:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:42:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems Message-ID: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> Hi All, As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating updating my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio via my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me offline to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:45:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:45:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment Message-ID: Hi All, I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for your help with this unique request. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:51:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:51:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Yamaha Receivers Message-ID: <126.2aebf6f.28a370dd@aol.com> Hi, This is off topic so please respond offline. I remember seeing a posting where someone in this group uses a Yamaha RD-V1 or HT receiver? I currently use a R-9 and would like to chat with you offline. Thank you in advance for your help. -Sam PS If anyone on this list is familiar with the Rotel RSX-1065 please chat with me as well. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:52:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:52:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: <12f.2a97e69.28a3711e@aol.com> http://www.psaudio.com/stereo.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thu Aug 9 06:58:54 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:58:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D88A242@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, Yes definately, it comes neck and neck with TDK's MA-X but lately I've also tried the BASF Metal MAXIMA Type IV and I can simply say this...WOW!!! If you can remember many months ago Carlos recommended this tape and he was right on the money. But going back to Sony ES, yes definately worth getting. Be careful about origin, my Father-in-law purchased a box of 10 Sony metal (i think they were ES) but assembled in another country other that Japan, I found one of them with a crease along one side which totally stuffed up the left channel on side a. Hope this helps you out. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 2:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In a message dated 8/8/2001 7:48:49 PM Central Daylight Time, Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au writes: << Hi all, I was one who received two that I bought. They sound great but I'm only using one, the other one is still in it's wrapper and might stay that way until I decide to make another special recording on it. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> Hi Tom, How would you rate the Sony Metal ES. Does it live up to it's hype? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 07:12:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:12:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <79.18c5db6d.28a375ad@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 12:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, Yes definately, it comes neck and neck with TDK's MA-X but lately I've also tried the BASF Metal MAXIMA Type IV and I can simply say this...WOW!!! If you can remember many months ago Carlos recommended this tape and he was right on the money. But going back to Sony ES, yes definately worth getting. Be careful about origin, my Father-in-law purchased a box of 10 Sony metal (i think they were ES) but assembled in another country other that Japan, I found one of them with a crease along one side which totally stuffed up the left channel on side a. Hope this helps you out. Regards Tom. >> Hi Tom, Where can I find those BASF's that Carlos recommended? Online? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 07:19:06 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:19:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <053b01c12092$d0ba2a20$9865fea9@D9569601> Schoeps microphones are available for a tremendous number of applications and are probably the "ne plus ultra" of microphones. They make both solid state and tube models. I would take a Schoeps mic over any beyer or sennheiser; only a neumann large diaphram mic might make me pause over my preference..maybe a U87? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > Hi Roland, > > I spent the first eight years of my career as a sound reinforcement > engineer and have used a ton of gear. > > In sound reinforcement, reliability is the true name of the game. After > all, "the show must go on" and who cares how great the PA sounds if it > goes down in the middle of a show. > > Before I can make any specific recommendations, I need some information. > How will the theater be used (live theater, concert sound reinforcement, > seminars, etc)? How large is the space? Have the speakers already been > chosen? If so, which ones? > > As far as brands of amplification, I've never been disappointed by Crown > International's higher end amplifiers. The Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech > series (if they are still being produced) are bullet proof and sound > great. Well worth the investment. If you have enough money in the > budget, I'd buy these. > > I'm not sure how the microphones will be used (recording, reinforcement > or both) but I've always had a preference for Beyer and Sennheiser > dynamic mics. I'll hold off making any specific recommendations until we > hear back from you. > > Ciao for now, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > Just wondering if anyone has any experience in the pro audio market. > > > > I am doing an installation of a new sound system in an auditorium which > > seats about 150 people. I have 5 XLR mic lines, and a 5 line level sources > > that need to be handled. The program is mainly speaking, with occasional > > music. Mono speaker system. > > > > I was looking at the Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and perhaps a QSC power amp, > > something at about 200 watts or so. I've installed TOA amps in the past and > > they have been satisfactory. Yamaha has some good mixers too, just would > > love to hear any "feedback". > > > > Also looking for suggestions on good mics that are not deadly expensive. I > > have used the EV RE-11 cardioid mics in the past and they have worked well, > > very little feedback problems. > > > > If anyone has had experience in this line or know what products are good to > > work with as far as pros and cons, I would be very interested in hearing it, > > either hear on NakTalk or directly e-mailed to me. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 07:24:03 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:24:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <20010806065951.63642.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B6E466F.987F9313@earthlink.net> <005601c11e83$bb76d200$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B6ECDF3.43AAE63D@earthlink.net> <01f601c12030$e3685870$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B718B0F.2C603F42@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <059701c12093$81339fd0$9865fea9@D9569601> Jim, Have been living here since 1972. The old Audible Difference (when it was on Tasso street in Palo Alto) once lent me a pair of Acoustat model two speakers and a Threshold CAS 100 amplifier; very, very nice. Only problem was the wife did not appreciate a grand for an amplifier and the panels were out of the question; she is an exwife now, of course. I'll get my Acoustats one day; maybe a pair of Two plus two panels. On a selfish note; I am seriously considering going active on my Linn Keilidh speakers. Perhaps you might consider taking this to a private email correspondence as I have some questions I don't want to clog up the naktalk thing with. My email is c123666 at earthlink.net Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > Hey, hey! I figured someone on Naktalk had to live here in the Bay Area, > or even in California. > > Howdy, neighbor. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > Oakland, CA > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thu Aug 9 07:19:38 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:19:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365970@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sam, I went to EMTEC directly and was fortunate enough to buy the last 20 tapes in Melbourne. Perhaps Carlos might know where...Carlos what do you think? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 3:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In a message dated 8/9/2001 12:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, Yes definately, it comes neck and neck with TDK's MA-X but lately I've also tried the BASF Metal MAXIMA Type IV and I can simply say this...WOW!!! If you can remember many months ago Carlos recommended this tape and he was right on the money. But going back to Sony ES, yes definately worth getting. Be careful about origin, my Father-in-law purchased a box of 10 Sony metal (i think they were ES) but assembled in another country other that Japan, I found one of them with a crease along one side which totally stuffed up the left channel on side a. Hope this helps you out. Regards Tom. >> Hi Tom, Where can I find those BASF's that Carlos recommended? Online? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 07:54:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:54:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Check this out... Message-ID: http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/yamaha_rxv1.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 07:54:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:54:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <3B716D08.C2BBA0FC@concentric.net> <3B719C1A.5C621CF6@earthlink.net> <3B71A1FD.9C17B8E2@concentric.net> <3B71BDF7.2028F9FA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c12097$cd4fe3c0$56289bca@smarzuki> To counter Jim's heavy system ... here's my 'value' setup: Marantz 120B tuner Kenwood KD550 / SME 3009 III / AT152 plattenspieler Nak CR7, Dragon, 680zx deck Nak CA7 preamp Nak MB2 cd player Bryston 4B amp to KEF 104.2 Adcom 2535 Rogers Studio 5 + RCF sub. Nak ST7 tuner still on its long way trip here :-( :-( switched through SR4 and onkyo pre's rec out: Thorens TD125 / SME 3009 II / akg X8MF Nak 482, 682zx, LX5, zx5 & cr5 worldspace receiver (sucks) other naks hooked somewhere else: CassDeck 1, bx300, cr4, cr3 & sr3 tv system: sony 29" kirara, Nak AV2s, MB1s denon dvd3000, BW P6, paradigm CC300 center loud garage setup :-) : Marantz 2325 receiver (yes !! bought new in 78) Beogram 4002 / mmc20cl, Nak 482, Sony 301ES cd JBL L100 with Focal 4" mid and tweeters, 4th order diy xo. Salim SM nakmania at yahoo.com PS: Ron, you should ask how Wolfgang listens to his roomful of decks ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 08:08:51 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:08:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <1e.19b777fb.28a3069a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7228F3.3E6FAD2F@earthlink.net> Not at all, Sam. See my last post here in Nak Talk. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:37:48 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Oh, and I almost forgot. All of my components rest exclusively on > Zoethecus amps stands and equipment racks. > > Ciao, > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Jim, you're making us all drool. Would it be rude to ask what all of these > goodies cost? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 08:10:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:10:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: <47.f2dacbf.28a38355@aol.com> Hi, I'm searching for a used pair of the very first reference series Polk Audio SDA's. ( I believe they were called SDA's, I currently own the little brother to these the SDA 6's. I remember seeing these speakers in those ads with Matthew Polk standing next to them. They are extremely large floor standers. Thank you in advance for your help with my search. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 08:14:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:14:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: <11c.2e0e23e.28a3842c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 1:11:17 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Not at all, Sam. See my last post here in Nak Talk. Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim. I definitely would like to hear your system. Congrats. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Aug 9 08:39:29 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:39:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <008801c1209e$0b160a80$a99c42d8@idirect.com> Thanx for the input so far on the Pro Audio topic. The main auditorium is about 2500 square feet with a 10' ceiling. The speakers (type is unknown to me at the moment) are mounted in the ceiling, just from recollection I would say there are 12, 8" drivers in the auditorium, in addition though there are 5 auxiliary rooms that have 1 driver each. I haven't gone up and pulled the grills off and looked at them yet. I believe that they are on a 70v line. However, being that the current setup is 12 years old and was originally done on a budget, replacing them is not out of the question. Any thoughts on this front are welcome too. Obviously the power amp and speakers have to work hand in hand. The program is mostly seminar type, with usually a single person speaking and occasionally two or three will have interactive segments. The auditorium already has 3 wireless mics which are used when audience participation is involved. The wireless mics are Shure, and they work very well only being added about 3 years ago. However, I do plan to move the antennas to a more suitable position. (The two are currently placed about 3 feet apart right near the sound system.....not ideal, but surprisingly it works with few dropouts.) The platform microphones currently in use are Shure wired mics. Don't have the model number of hand, but they have been dropped a few times..................you get the picture. I think one is being held together by duct tape. Need something that is hardy yet sounds good. Somewhat directional mics are preferred for less feedback. I don't foresee a need for future expansion of additional mic lines being added. So a mixer that handles 10 - 12 lines (XLR and line level) will be fine. Going to a 16 line (like the Mackie 1604) is a bit of an overkill for such a small auditorium. The system (not the mixer) will be going in a 19" rack mount cabinet that I'm having custom built. I'm also interested in picking up a good Nak MR-1, Tascam 122 MK II or 202 MK III rack mount deck to go in here. (MR-1 is originally idler, no?) Any other decks to consider? What about a rack mountable multi cd player? I need a player that can handle at least 8 discs that have been loaded inside. (MusicBank is one or two short). I remember a few years ago that JVC had a 100 disc bank that could be hidden and just the control panel was visible during normal use. (The components were connected by a cable) Is there anything like that on the pro side? Finally, I need a rack mountable VHS HI FI player. Sony Professional? I'm not looking for sound for critical listening, however, I am looking for something solid, that sounds clean, and that won't need replacing for 10 - 15 years or so. If anyone knows good sources for equipment in USA or Canada let me know. I have used Sweetwater before (http://sweetwater.com/) and they are pretty helpful. Budget for the Mixer, Power Amp and 5 Mics: US $3000.00 (flexible) The tape deck, CD, and VHS are in addition to that. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 08:42:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:42:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> Hi Sam, Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak RE1 (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus decent stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for HT setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / power, I believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand AV receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old Nak AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed lately that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems > Hi All, > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating updating > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio via > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me offline > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From szollos at it.cas.cz Thu Aug 9 15:47:51 2001 From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:47:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010809073932.02149220@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3B729487.150DE018@it.cas.cz> Andras Prague, Czech Republic ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 9 09:30:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:00:11 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems Message-ID: <002401c120a5$1fdf38e0$42d60192@vsnl> Jim I think I have to book my seat in the front row! Too many places to visit ( already Sam /kevin are booked along with Stephen at NM)! Since both my brothers and my company's parent company are situated in and around Santa clara; I am definite to visit California - so please reserve a day ! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems >Hi Sam, > >Sure! Call me at 415 928-2990 so that we can arrange a convenient time. > >Cheers, > >Jim Volpatti > > > > >> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: >> >> Jim, can I stop by for a listen? >> >> -Sam >> >> In a message dated 8/8/2001 3:11:00 PM Central Daylight Time, >> jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: >> >> << Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my >> office because the music played by this system pulls me into the >> listening room. But hey, who's complaining! >> >> Cheers! >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in Thu Aug 9 09:37:35 2001 From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:07:35 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <002b01c120a6$2865ba60$42d60192@vsnl> I can heartily recommend a Dragon with rack handles - eventhought it does not have Pro XLR inputs - there are plenty of them getting ebayed nearly mint. I think Geff or Stephen should get the Rack years? Somehow I cannot recommend a Sankyo transport one for Such use. Ruggedness of even LX series is worth comapred to Mr1/2 Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio >Thanx for the input so far on the Pro Audio topic. > >The main auditorium is about 2500 square feet with a 10' ceiling. > >I'm also interested in picking up a good Nak MR-1, Tascam 122 MK II or 202 >MK III rack mount deck to go in here. (MR-1 is originally idler, no?) Any >other decks to consider? > >Thanx, >Roland > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 10:36:21 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:36:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver Message-ID: Stephen, I must admit that I really enjoy your comments on this topic. I don't know about the others, but I would really love to see your views on a list of "avoid at any cost" equipment - whenever you feel like it, of course. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid Carver gimmick. Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 10:43:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:43:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: Message-ID: <03fa01c120af$61303740$043442cf@sank1> I used to do a lot of sales at the McIntosh/Nak dealer I worked for in Philadelphia. Whenever anyone would ask me what I thought of McIntosh equipment, I just said, "It's made by God." Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment > Hi All, > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > your help with this unique request. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 11:04:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:04:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AEC4.4ABBC4F5@pacbell.net> <008801c1209e$0b160a80$a99c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <040001c120b2$4a4e5680$043442cf@sank1> On the tape deck, the Tascam 202 is a piece of crap. The 122mKIII is reasonably well built, but still nowhere near as durable, nor as good sounding of course, as a Nak. And, man, the Denon & Marantz so-called "pro" decks are really shit. I do agree with Kannan about the Sankyo transports. Although easily half the MR-1's produced have the gear drive from factory, the transport overall is nowhere near as long lived as the real Nak transport. Therefore, I would very strongly recommend a 660/670/680 series deck. Already rack ears/handles extant, just no XLR or 1/4" in/out, which ain't a big obstacle. Although the newest of the series is almost 20 years old, getting one in nice condition will still give you absolutely the best chance of going 15-20 more years without more than maintenance type issues along the way. Of course, talk to me if you decide to go this route, as I have one of this series available now & fairly often get them for sale. On the CD changer, I would steer you clear of JVC, Onkyo, Sony & almost everything else currently available, I'm afraid. No way you'd get more than a few years out of virtually any of them. Only well built >7 disc changer I can even think of off hand is a very expensive(well over $1000) Denon 200 disc industrial unit that may or may not be still available. I think the model number is DN-1200 & it is a heavy, two-piece unit. On the VHS HiFi, good luck finding a current unit, even in the industrial vein, that will hold up more than four or five years. VHS decks built to last ceased production in commercial/industrial shortly after the same happened in the consumer market, i.e., about 7 or 8 years ago. Sony & Panasonic are the only pro market makers that still have anything approaching well-built VHS decks. But they sure ain't what they used to be. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > Thanx for the input so far on the Pro Audio topic. > > The main auditorium is about 2500 square feet with a 10' ceiling. The > speakers (type is unknown to me at the moment) are mounted in the ceiling, > just from recollection I would say there are 12, 8" drivers in the > auditorium, in addition though there are 5 auxiliary rooms that have 1 > driver each. I haven't gone up and pulled the grills off and looked at them > yet. I believe that they are on a 70v line. > > However, being that the current setup is 12 years old and was originally > done on a budget, replacing them is not out of the question. Any thoughts > on this front are welcome too. Obviously the power amp and speakers have to > work hand in hand. > > The program is mostly seminar type, with usually a single person speaking > and occasionally two or three will have interactive segments. The > auditorium already has 3 wireless mics which are used when audience > participation is involved. The wireless mics are Shure, and they work very > well only being added about 3 years ago. However, I do plan to move the > antennas to a more suitable position. (The two are currently placed about 3 > feet apart right near the sound system.....not ideal, but surprisingly it > works with few dropouts.) > > The platform microphones currently in use are Shure wired mics. Don't have > the model number of hand, but they have been dropped a few > times..................you get the picture. I think one is being held > together by duct tape. Need something that is hardy yet sounds good. > Somewhat directional mics are preferred for less feedback. > > I don't foresee a need for future expansion of additional mic lines being > added. So a mixer that handles 10 - 12 lines (XLR and line level) will be > fine. Going to a 16 line (like the Mackie 1604) is a bit of an overkill for > such a small auditorium. > > The system (not the mixer) will be going in a 19" rack mount cabinet that > I'm having custom built. > > I'm also interested in picking up a good Nak MR-1, Tascam 122 MK II or 202 > MK III rack mount deck to go in here. (MR-1 is originally idler, no?) Any > other decks to consider? > > What about a rack mountable multi cd player? I need a player that can > handle at least 8 discs that have been loaded inside. (MusicBank is one or > two short). I remember a few years ago that JVC had a 100 disc bank that > could be hidden and just the control panel was visible during normal use. > (The components were connected by a cable) Is there anything like that on > the pro side? > > Finally, I need a rack mountable VHS HI FI player. Sony Professional? > > I'm not looking for sound for critical listening, however, I am looking for > something solid, that sounds clean, and that won't need replacing for 10 - > 15 years or so. > > If anyone knows good sources for equipment in USA or Canada let me know. I > have used Sweetwater before (http://sweetwater.com/) and they are pretty > helpful. > > Budget for the Mixer, Power Amp and 5 Mics: US $3000.00 (flexible) > > The tape deck, CD, and VHS are in addition to that. > > Thanx, > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 11:03:36 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:03:36 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: Just another short "Wow" from me as well - both the metal and the chrome BASF Reference (Maxima) tapes are incredibly good. Given that in Europe the other major brands (TDK, Sony, Maxell, etc.) you can buy are locally made crap, I'm happy to stick with the BASF (or soon to be EMTEC) tapes. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:12:13 EDT In a message dated 8/9/2001 12:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time, Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au writes: << Hi Sam, Yes definately, it comes neck and neck with TDK's MA-X but lately I've also tried the BASF Metal MAXIMA Type IV and I can simply say this...WOW!!! If you can remember many months ago Carlos recommended this tape and he was right on the money. But going back to Sony ES, yes definately worth getting. Be careful about origin, my Father-in-law purchased a box of 10 Sony metal (i think they were ES) but assembled in another country other that Japan, I found one of them with a crease along one side which totally stuffed up the left channel on side a. Hope this helps you out. Regards Tom. >> Hi Tom, Where can I find those BASF's that Carlos recommended? Online? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 11:26:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:26:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: Message-ID: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> You risk opening up a Pandora's box, George. It'd be safer, and probably a considerably shorter list, to ask me what I consider to be NOT on the "avoid at all costs list". Less fun, of course. Without commentary, let me just give a short version of the "avoid at all costs list": Carver/Sunfire/Phase Linear NAD Bose(do I even need to say it?) Creek(can't believe how horribly that crap is built! oh, I did say "without commentary") Proton Polk(sorry Sam) Bang & Olufsen(with a few exceptions) Audiosource Krell(for the sake of not wasting enormous wads of cash on the mundane) Audio Research(same reason, plus horrifyingly poor serviceability) I'm experience a mental blockage trying to come up with others, but there are lots more. I'll be happy to savage any you care to name.=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Stephen, > > I must admit that I really enjoy your comments on this topic. I don't know > about the others, but I would really love to see your views on a list of > "avoid at any cost" equipment - whenever you feel like it, of course. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 > > That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power > supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid > Carver gimmick. > Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on > my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 11:36:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:36:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 remote cables Message-ID: <041c01c120b6$bae08ea0$043442cf@sank1> Salim, Just checked the CA-7 manual against the CR-7's, and confirmed that the cables should be wired as I said, pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:19:43 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:19:43 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver Message-ID: Ummmm, current Sony cassette decks ? LOL, sorry, just couldn't help myself ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:26:14 -0600 You risk opening up a Pandora's box, George. It'd be safer, and probably a considerably shorter list, to ask me what I consider to be NOT on the "avoid at all costs list". Less fun, of course. Without commentary, let me just give a short version of the "avoid at all costs list": Carver/Sunfire/Phase Linear NAD Bose(do I even need to say it?) Creek(can't believe how horribly that crap is built! oh, I did say "without commentary") Proton Polk(sorry Sam) Bang & Olufsen(with a few exceptions) Audiosource Krell(for the sake of not wasting enormous wads of cash on the mundane) Audio Research(same reason, plus horrifyingly poor serviceability) I'm experience a mental blockage trying to come up with others, but there are lots more. I'll be happy to savage any you care to name.=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Stephen, > > I must admit that I really enjoy your comments on this topic. I don't know > about the others, but I would really love to see your views on a list of > "avoid at any cost" equipment - whenever you feel like it, of course. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 > > That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power > supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid > Carver gimmick. > Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on > my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 12:47:22 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:47:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: Message-ID: <3B726A3A.B31FC218@earthlink.net> Hi Stan, You bring up some very good points, which I'd like to expand upon. I opened my shop a little over a year ago. When I contemplated starting the business, I knew first and foremost that I wanted to do business differently than any other shop. I've lived in the San Francisco Bay Area my entire life and in all the years that I've been an audiophile I've never once had a truly enjoyable buying experience or dealt with a salesman that I would care to do business with a second time. I decided to spend a little time in some of the local shops and walked away convinced that there had to be better way. Since I've worked most of my career in service related positions I knew that customers simply want friendly, honest service by someone who knows his stuff. This part of my business model was obvious, but I wanted to go much further. What I concluded was that it doesn't make much sense to go to a dealer showroom to select a new component or system when the dealer's listening room and system are completely different from what a customer has at home. Yet, this is exactly the norm. A customer typically goes to a couple of shops, chooses what he feels sounds best, and perhaps pays for the component so he can bring it home for a brief in-home audition. The problem is that the component that typically sounds best in the dealer's listening room is NOT the one that sounds best at home. The borrowed component may very well sound better than the one it is to replace but probably doesn't sound nearly as good as the one that is still back at the shop. In short, the customer never has the opportunity to hear a number of components in his system so he can choose, with confidence, the one that fulfills his long term goal of achieving great sound. Consequently, I decided to offer services which include in-home acoustical consulting, in-home component demonstration and selection services and various other system set up and design services. The experience I gained working in the recording and sound reinforcement industries, in addition to my years spent honing my skills as an audiophile, have proven invaluable in my ability to surpass customer expectations and make meaningful improvements in their music listening experiences. No other dealer offers the services that I do. I thought that it might be helpful if I passed on some words of wisdom gleaned from my years of tinkering in this hobby. It's an approach that has served me and my customers well and gives them a structured, cost effective path to follow. I hope you find it useful. 1. The largest, yet most difficult to optimize variable in any system is the listening room. I always remind my customers that "you can't polish a turd." You can buy a wonderful sounding system, put it in a lousy sounding room and you'll still get lousy sound. By choosing a listening room with care and then treating it as necessary, a listener's goals will be much easier to achieve. This is the very reason I offer acoustical consulting. I'm often able to minimize or completely correct a problem, that a customer attributed to his system, and save him thousands of dollars by simply rearranging his room or adding or taking away drapes, area rugs, book cases, plants, etc. 2. The speakers must work well given the constraints of the listening room and the possible speaker positions. Speakers are also the second largest variable when it comes to the sound that they produce and the connection that they engender with the listener. They should be chosen or upgraded before any other component in the system. 3. Match the amplifier to the chosen speaker. Let's face it, some speakers are easier to drive than others. Because a speaker sometimes presenta low impedances with high phase angles and/or capacitive loads, it's imperative that the amplifier and speaker be well matched. Looking at the other side of the equation, the amplifier's output impedance must not be so high that it negatively affects the damping factor, current delivery or frequency response of the combination. As an example, it would be unwise to use an electrostatic loudspeaker with a single ended triode (SET) amplifier, given the fact that an electrostat presents a low impedance, capacitive load to the amplifier. SET amplifiers tend to have a high output impedance which can, when combined with the properties of the electrostat, drops the damping factor to 1 or less, limits the amount of current that the amplifier can deliver and ruins the in-room frequency response. The combination will have sloppy low end, compressed dynamics and attenuated highs. While I agree that the sound many SET amplifiers can sound this way, most of this can be ameliorated by carefully speaker selection. 4. The speaker cable is part of the relationship between the amp and speakers. Choose the wrong one and you ruin would could be a great amplifier/speaker combination. Once the above four steps are achieved, it is much easier to hear and choose source components, preamps and interconnects that work well with the rest of the system. It's best to start at the source and upgrade forward through the signal path until you are back to the amplifier. If the listener wishes to continue an upgrade path, I then recommend experimentation with isolations devices and power conditioning. Some systems seem indifferent to such tuning while others respond well so I always say "try before you buy." The improvements rot by system tweaking usually offer a very small fraction of the improvement of any of the above recommendations and is best saved until last. When asked about my system, I chose to mention a reference quality system simply because the technology involved is often cutting edge and makes for interesting conversation. Having said that, the systems I sell start at $3,000. I want to include both music lovers and audiophiles in my clientele and realize that not everyone has the desire or means to own an expensive system . To answer Stan's question about who purchases $30,000+ systems, I've been quite surprised myself. I would love to tell you all that I knew the exact demographic of my customer base before I started my business but this wasn't the case. I knew that I wanted the bulk of my offerings to be in the $1,000 to $7,500 range but beyond that I decided to open my doors and let demand drive the price point of my product selection. Living here in the Bay Area, there is an inordinate amount of wealth and the cost of living, especially real estate, is ridiculously high. The average price of a 1800 sq ft home on a 25' by 100' lot in San Francisco is close to $600,000. Even then, the homes are usually 60 or 70 years old. The guys who own the $30,000+ systems are typically living $1.5 million+ homes and make $250,000+ per year. It never ceases to amaze me that even with the current state of the economy and the recent dot gone implosion, there seems to be no shortage of guys wanting to spend big bucks on their systems. Maybe it's purchase therapy or something. I don't know. Regarding the customer who is no longer happy with his $20,000 Sonus Faber Amatis, the Eros speaker order is the first bit of business that he and I have done together. I told him that I would like to come over with my demo pair so that he can refresh his memory before committing to the purchase. I know that I have romanticized the sound of a speaker that I haven't heard in years and I didn't want him to make the same mistake. Well, he was quite adamant about ordering the speakers that day and preceded to give me his credit card information over the phone. Seems that he can't wait to get a pair of Eros back in his living room. With the money that his Amatis will bring, he'll have enough for the Eros and then some. We should all have such problems. = ) Sorry for writing a book!! Happy Listening, Jim Volpatti Stan Targowski wrote: > > Around $30K for the system. Hmm, it better sound relaxing and involved ... > > Jim, when you sell systems like this do you try to visit, or get the idea > about the customer site to ensure that the system will sound good in his/her > house? Do you use any special materials / components to improve the > acoustics of the room if necessary? Is it possible that the $20K speakers > simply didn't sound good in this customer's room as opposed to just being > inferior speaker system? I can recall having heck of a time to get Magnepans > set in the room several years ago - yet, once I found the spot, they sounded > great ... > > I remember someone told me that when you by a Steinway Piano, they will come > to your house to ensure the placement and acoustics are right - so that the > neighbor's Yamaha or Kwai doesn't sound better. > > Being on the topic. Just out of curiosity, who buys systems like these, > i.e., 30K+? People like members of this list who are to some degree > fanatics, or plain rich people, who have $750,000 3 bedroom house and need > proportionally expensive stereo? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: Wed, August 08, 2001 5:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems > > Hi Ron, > > I do quite a bit of research and very product in my shop, regardless of > price, competes with others at two to five times the price. I've said > this before but the best value in high end audio is with the lesser > known manufacturers. It takes far more time to find these companies but > this, careful system matching and set up is what allows me to surpass my > customers' expectations. Just as an example, I have a customer just > called me and told me that he made the mistake of replacing his $5995 > InnerSound Eros hybrid electrostats with a pair of $20,000 Sonus Faber > Amati. He just called me the other day and placed an order for a new > pair of Eros. > > Anyway,to answer your question, here are the prices: > > Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade ($4995) > > Crown Jewel SE cartridge ($2650) > Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm ($3230) > JA Michell Orbe turntable ($4200) > Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable ($600) > Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro > cartridges) ($1350) > > InnerSound Line Stage ($2995) > InnerSound Crossover/Amplifier (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) which feeds the > Electrostatic Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers (part of the Eros > loudspeaker system) > InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which > drives the Eros' panels ($2995) > InnerSound Eros actively biamplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers > ($5995, including crossover/amplifier) > > I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except > for the phono interconnect > Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects ($630/meter) > Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable ($639 for an eight foot pair) > > The sound is extremely transparent and dynamic (both macro and micro > dynamics) yet relaxed and involving too. It draws you in and doesn't let > you go. > > Cheers, > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > > All I can say is " W O W ! ! ! " I don't know the equipment > > at all, but I *have* heard the names. > > > > I'm almost afraid to ask, how much do all theses goodies > > list for? > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > ..."I thought it would also be interesting to learn what list members > > > have in the way of Audio (or Audio/Video) system." > > > > > > Well, I'm a high end audio dealer who specializes in two channel music > > > systems (you won't find ANY home theater gear in my shop) so I have all > > > kinds of goodies here (I'm VERY spoiled!) but my current reference > > > system consists of the following: > > > > > > Electrocompaniet EMC-1 CD player with new 24/192 upgrade > > > > > > Crown Jewel SE cartridge > > > Graham Engineering 2.2 tonearm > > > JA Michell Orbe turntable > > > Graham IC-30 phono interconnect cable > > > Lukaschek PP-1 phono stage (made by the designer of Benz Micro > > > cartridges) > > > > > > InnerSound Line Stage > > > InnerSound Crossover/amp (600 wpc @ 4 ohms) that feeds the Electrostatic > > > Amplifier as well as the Eros' woofers > > > InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier (2000 volt amps per channel) which > > > drives the Eros' panels > > > InnerSound Eros actively bi-amplified hybrid electrostatic loudspeakers > > > > > > I'm using all Analysis Plus cabling in this particular system, except > > > for the phono interconnect > > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In interconnects > > > Analysis Plus Silver Oval speaker cable > > > > > > Like I said, I'm spoiled. Half the time I can't get my work done in my > > > office because the music played by this system pulls me into the > > > listening room. But hey, who's complaining! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 13:07:30 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:07:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <002401c120a5$1fdf38e0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B726EF2.AEFF9361@earthlink.net> = ) Anytime Kannan! Just call me a day or two in advance and we'll set up a time. Jim Volpatti "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Jim > I think I have to book my seat in the front row! > Too many places to visit ( already Sam /kevin are booked along with Stephen > at NM)! > Since both my brothers and my company's parent company are situated in and > around Santa clara; I am definite to visit California - so please reserve a > day ! > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 13:23:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:23:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7272BA.CFBDB490@earthlink.net> Hi Sam. Ideally, I would recommend first purchasing a dedicated digital front end, preamp with HT pass through, amp and two speakers that sound great for music. I would then purchase a DVD player, surround sound processor, three channel amp, center channel and surround speakers to fill out the system for enjoying movies. Best of both worlds. Good luck! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating updating > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio via > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me offline > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 13:31:45 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:31:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: Message-ID: <3B7274A1.F40187B1@earthlink.net> Sam, I have a customer who owns the new $15,000 limited edition, 50 year anniversary McIntosh MC-2000. He was very unhappy with how it sounded with his Martin Logan Prodigy speakers. He saw an ad for the new InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier and was referred by the manufacturer to me. I brought over my lowly $2995 InnerSound amp and compared it with his MC-2000 and his $19,000 Linn Klimax 500 watt monoblocks. He wrote me a check for the InnerSound amp on the spot. What I found interesting is the very design that works so well for electrostatic speakers also lets the InnerSound sound truly excellent with dynamic speakers too. If you have an InnerSound dealer in your area, I wholeheartedly recommend that you go check out their entire line. Cheers! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > your help with this unique request. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 13:38:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:38:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? References: <12f.2a97e69.28a3711e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B727643.B7AB3A02@earthlink.net> Yeah. PS Audio is making a come back with a AC "conditioner" that takes the synthesized output of a wave generator and then amplifies with a 300 watt, 600 watt or 1200 watt class AB amplifier. They claim that the typical AC outlet has upwards to 5% of distortion in the sin wave and that once synthesized and amplified by their product, the net result is 0.025%, I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > http://www.psaudio.com/stereo.asp > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 13:42:24 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:42:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems References: <11c.2e0e23e.28a3842c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B727720.653C6DE6@earthlink.net> Thanks again, Sam. It thrills me that I have components of this caliber that challenge gear costing up five times the price, to offer to my customers. Evidently, my customers agree too. I can't keep the stuff in stock. Happy Listening! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 1:11:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Not at all, Sam. See my last post here in Nak Talk. > > Jim Volpatti >> > Thanks Jim. I definitely would like to hear your system. Congrats. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 13:57:46 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:57:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: Message-ID: <3B727ABA.A1E9C243@yahoo.com> Hi Sam McIntoshes are like the Cadillacs of audio but these caddys have RR mechanicals! As an artist you will surely appreciate their ability to compleatly IGNORE trends in styling. They never went through a 19 inch rack phase or a curvey bubbley high impact ABS phase. They have evolved a unique style over 30 years and really don't care what anyone else is doing. That may be the reason some magazine people like them. Also, Macs have 2 things going for them. They are built like tanks and the circuitry is way over engineered. So they are reliable as hell As for the sound quality, I think they sound great. But that's compleatly subjective of course. Here's a link to what I have to say about Macs. http://63.164.201.182/javier/McIntosh/mymacs.html BTW: I have to congratulate you on your honesty. Aesthetics is important to me too and I can remember having passed up otherwise good components simply because I thought they were ugly. Most "audiophiles :)))))" of course will never admit to such a thing. I too once compared Macs to other brands. After comparing for 23 years or so (started at around 14) I find that much of the other equipment that would have once blown the visual knobs off a mac now looks dated and pretentious or just plain tacky. But the Macs just don't date! they are truly timeless. Believe me if you get a mac it will grow on you, once you get used to the application of monumental architecture to a little stereo component! See Ya Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > your help with this unique request. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 14:29:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 05:29:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> Hey Stephen, Are you talking about the Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech series Crown amps? I agree that their Power Balance series was crap but none of the local sound reinforcement companies who used the Micro and Macro stuff ever had any problems with them. As a matter of fact, they still use them today despite the fact that the amp racks have been beat to crap on the rock n roll circuits. Come to think of it, my Crown PS-400 didn't even have fans at all and never even got warm. Except for that time that I TRIED to blow it up. You see, Crown has a no fault three year warrantee. I could have thrown the amp from the top of the Empire State Building and they would have replaced it. My friend, who was the head technician at the repair shop I used to work at, way back when, suggested that I buy a Crown, "you'll never have to buy another amp." Since we were an authorized Crown warrantee repair station (and they NEVER came in for warrantee work either) I got a special deal on mine. They also through in an additional 3 year warrantee for a total of six years. Well, I decided that I was going to take my friend up on his challenge of blowing up the amp. I put it on the test bench, hooked up some 4 ohm loads and fed it a 15 kHz square wave, at 2/3 power for three days and it never shut down. I then turned it up to rated power (250 wpc) at the same frequency and let it sit for another day or two. Again, no problem. Then I turned it up so that it went into continuous hard clipping. This time, it went into protect mode after about 10 minutes. As soon as the heat sinks cooled, it came back to life but still no problems. I was determined to blow this thing up so I brought it, the loads and signal generator home. Once home, I decided that instead of a load at the output, I would let it drive an open circuit for awhile. Again no problem. So I decided, screw it, I'm going to short the outputs with the output section in hard clipping. Again, it just went into protect until a minute later. I swear, the amp was sneering at me! I walked away very frustrated but not defeated. I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? Ahhhh yessss, perfect! Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what I was doing??!! Well, anyway, here I am in my bathrobe in my living room at 3 in the morning, possessed by the idea of blowing this damn thing up. I stripped some insulation off the ends of the zip cord, hooked everything up, turned up the amp and generator and then stuck the ends of the wire in the socket of the outlet directly below the one the amp was plugged in to. What ensued next was the loaded explosion and highest voltage AC jolt I've ever experienced. I was literally thrown into the wall behind me. I laid there for a minute or so, trying to regain my wits. After I found my balance and was able to stand, I figured that I better figure out where that explosion came from. Aside from the burnt plastic AC outlet cover and plug, everything seemed OK in the living room. I thought to myself, "uh oh, what about the distribution panel down stairs in the basement??" Just as I reached the stairs my 65 year old Chinese landlord who lived upstairs flew past me down the stairs screaming lord knows what in Cantonese. As I reached the bottom of the stairs, in the basement, I understood why, There, laying on the floor, bent in half, 50' from the distro panel, was the metal distro panel cover. It seems that I blew the hell out of the panel. I fried both the main breakers and the breaker for the circuit that the amp was plugged into. There was melted plastic, bare wire and and smoke coming from the panel. My landlord was irate, pointing her finger at me, yelling probably the foulest Cantonese since she KNEW this was MY fault. Well, I couldn't tell a lie. I paid an electrician close to $800 to repair the panel and guess what. I plugged the amp back in after all of this and it still works to this day. Cheers! Jim Volpatti P.S. Do NOT try this at home! Stephen Sank wrote: > > I agree that specific recommendations can't be made without more specifics > on the nature of the installation(and the budget), but I can add a bit of > info. > While Mackie's are usually reliable & decent sounding, I consider Yamaha to > be much better for mixers, in terms of reliability, sound & ease of service. > Tascam boards are generally a huge pain in the neck to work on & are less > reliable, in my experience than Yamaha. Regardless of budget & application, > it's hard to go wrong with a Yamaha. > On power amps, I would NOT recommend Crown. They are seriously overpriced, > don't sound all that great & if the fan dies, or airflow is otherwise > restricted, they tend to go up in flames. WAY too little heatsinking for > the power output. QSC's are OK, but not quite top notch on reliability or > sound. Assuming that even old McIntosh solid state amps are out of the > question(but which would be the best choice, for sure), the pro line of > Hafler amps are both extremely reliable & quite good sounding. > I'm a ribbon mic guy, so it's tough for me to recommend ANY dynamic mic, but > one of the LAST brands I would consider good is EV. I'd much sooner > recommend Shure SM-58 or SM-57, or any Beyer above $150 retail price. > Sennheisers just don't sound good to me, and tend to be overpriced. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 14:36:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 05:36:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <053b01c12092$d0ba2a20$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B7283BA.4BCCC85@earthlink.net> Carl, Roland was talking about TOA amps and EV mics. I assumed that he didn't have the budget for multi-thousand dollar recording mics and since he mentioned the word "feedback", I also assumed that they were to be used for sound reinforcement. They are a ton of great recording mics, included some that you mentioned, that I could have recommended but didn't think it would be appropriate. Peace, Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > Schoeps microphones are available for a tremendous number of applications > and are probably the "ne plus ultra" of microphones. They make both solid > state and tube models. I would take a Schoeps mic over any beyer or > sennheiser; only a neumann large diaphram mic might make me pause over my > preference..maybe a U87? > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 14:43:29 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:43:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: <3B727ABA.A1E9C243@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009701c120d0$e767a3e0$3c031fac@brianm> I must agree on their looks, I don't know if it's the theroy of things all come around again every 15 or so years, or retro is in, but I find Mac's looks to be appealing. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment > Hi Sam > McIntoshes are like the Cadillacs of audio but these caddys > have RR mechanicals! As an artist you will surely appreciate > their ability to compleatly IGNORE trends in styling. They never > went through a 19 inch rack phase or a curvey bubbley high impact ABS > phase. They have evolved a unique style over 30 years and really don't > care what anyone else is doing. That may be the reason some magazine > people like them. Also, Macs have 2 things going for them. They are > built > like tanks and the circuitry is way over engineered. So they are > reliable > as hell As for the sound quality, I think they sound great. But that's > compleatly subjective of course. > Here's a link to what I have to say about Macs. > > http://63.164.201.182/javier/McIntosh/mymacs.html > > BTW: I have to congratulate you on your honesty. Aesthetics is important > to me too > and I can remember having passed up otherwise good components simply > because I thought > they were ugly. Most "audiophiles :)))))" of course will never admit to > such > a thing. I too once compared Macs to other brands. After comparing for > 23 years > or so (started at around 14) I find that much of the other equipment > that would have once blown the visual knobs off a mac now looks dated > and > pretentious or just plain tacky. But the Macs just don't date! they are > truly > timeless. Believe me if you get a mac it will grow on you, once you get > used to > the application of monumental architecture to a little stereo component! > > See Ya > Javier > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > > your help with this unique request. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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BTW, I hail from Central Mass, about 20 minutes > > > from Boston (unless the Mass. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 9 17:47:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:47:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: <3B727ABA.A1E9C243@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B72B0A3.2DA3E217@pacbell.net> Javier, I love your site. My first exposures to McIntosh were, like yours, in my teens. The first 2 systems both featured c-32 preamps (This preamp is still one of the only preamps I know of that has an honest 12 wpc headphone amp and speaker terminal outputs referred to as monitor amplifier outs--essentially a lo power integrated amp) and dual mc2300 amps, mr 78 or 80 tuners and, of course, lotsa great sources like twin 10" r-r's, the really cool McIntosh performance indicator/oscilloscope, etc. One of the 2 systems powered Bozak Concert Grands (still looking for a pair of these beauties just for pure nostalgia and grandeur) the other had 2 pairs of Bose 901 series trash hanging from chains in each corner of the room, yukkkkkk. I knew then at age 13 I would some day have a system like this. Now 25 years later I have nearly the same system, except for the 901 series tragedy. When people ask me why I like McIntosh I reply, they are classic, never break, retain or go up in value and and gracefully have attained the perfect point of diminishing return in terms of dollar for quality. Also, McIntosh still stocks parts for very old models! What are your favorite McIntosh Loudspeakers, Javier? I have xrt 18's and can never go back to box speakers. Hope to some day hear and own xr290's and or Pipe Dreams. Brian Javier Perez wrote: > Hi Sam > McIntoshes are like the Cadillacs of audio but these caddys > have RR mechanicals! As an artist you will surely appreciate > their ability to compleatly IGNORE trends in styling. They never > went through a 19 inch rack phase or a curvey bubbley high impact ABS > phase. They have evolved a unique style over 30 years and really don't > care what anyone else is doing. That may be the reason some magazine > people like them. Also, Macs have 2 things going for them. They are > built > like tanks and the circuitry is way over engineered. So they are > reliable > as hell As for the sound quality, I think they sound great. But that's > compleatly subjective of course. > Here's a link to what I have to say about Macs. > > http://63.164.201.182/javier/McIntosh/mymacs.html > > BTW: I have to congratulate you on your honesty. Aesthetics is important > to me too > and I can remember having passed up otherwise good components simply > because I thought > they were ugly. Most "audiophiles :)))))" of course will never admit to > such > a thing. I too once compared Macs to other brands. After comparing for > 23 years > or so (started at around 14) I find that much of the other equipment > that would have once blown the visual knobs off a mac now looks dated > and > pretentious or just plain tacky. But the Macs just don't date! they are > truly > timeless. Believe me if you get a mac it will grow on you, once you get > used to > the application of monumental architecture to a little stereo component! > > See Ya > Javier > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > > your help with this unique request. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 17:46:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:46:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 remote cables References: <041c01c120b6$bae08ea0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000a01c120ea$7b2457e0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Thanks much, Stephen. 8 pin DIN is quite rare in this area, closest I can find this afternoon was 6 pin plug. Would be really cool to be able to adjust whole system + azimuth using one remote ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 remote cables > Salim, > Just checked the CA-7 manual against the CR-7's, and confirmed that the > cables should be wired as I said, pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Aug 9 17:55:42 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:55:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <107.3d52ffb.28a40c7e@aol.com> Question--It seems from the past threads that it is a good idea to make sure that the manufacture orgin of the cassette's is from Japan. When ordering off an internet site, would it be out of line to ask the seller this question before purchase? Cal John. Orange County, CA. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Aug 9 18:01:03 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:01:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000a01c120ec$7f0529a0$999c42d8@idirect.com> WOW! Re: The Crown Amp assassination attempt.....That's a great story, Jim! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 18:01:19 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:01:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> For live recording I use a well calibrated Sony TC5 and the best tape available, and I use Dolby B and the on-board limiter but very sparingly. Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops to 10 or 12 bits. The best possible recording medium would be a Studer 1/2 inch at 30 IPS, no noise recuction necessary, but these Sony Metal ES recordings come incredibly close. and superior to ANY DAT recording I've ever heard. re: BASF Maxima: I bought some very inexpensive BASF CR-90 tapes and they sounded excellent. I use them to make copies and they are close, nearly identical to the original tapes. IF I can't find any more Sony Metal-ES I'll be checking out the BASF Maxima as an alternative. As to finding an internet source for the Sony tapes, I've looked. Even using Copernic to do a deep search, (Copernic combines the services of all the major search engines) I've turned up nothing. There is a site - Sony Japan, where you can see what one of these beauties looks like: http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/products/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html Stager Sound Systems (just a rudimentary effort for now,) http://marc.stager.com/ New York Chamber Symphony at Central Park, July 24,2001 http://marc.stager.com/sss/NYCS-CP2001.jpg ________________________ Marc Stager ========================================== At 8/8/01, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:25:36 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > ><< By the way, come to Forest Park in Woodhaven > on Sundays August 12 and 19, 4:00 PM for a concert > by the Queens Symphony Orchestra. Stager Sound Systems > is providing the sound reinforcement. > > __________________________ Marc Stager > Stager Sound Systems NYC >> > >Hi Marc, > >Do you have a website? Congrats on the cool business you're in. > >I wanted to ask you why you haven't gone over to the "dark" side and use a >digital recorder for your live performances? That seems to be a trend, do >you agree? > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 18:06:42 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:06:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> Looking for recommendations on an electronic crossover to go active on a pair of Linn speakers.....any ideas? Only one that has been recommended to me is Audio Research ec 21 tube model. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > You risk opening up a Pandora's box, George. It'd be safer, and probably a > considerably shorter list, to ask me what I consider to be NOT on the "avoid > at all costs list". Less fun, of course. > Without commentary, let me just give a short version of the "avoid at all > costs list": > Carver/Sunfire/Phase Linear > NAD > Bose(do I even need to say it?) > Creek(can't believe how horribly that crap is built! oh, I did say "without > commentary") > Proton > Polk(sorry Sam) > Bang & Olufsen(with a few exceptions) > Audiosource > Krell(for the sake of not wasting enormous wads of cash on the mundane) > Audio Research(same reason, plus horrifyingly poor serviceability) > > I'm experience a mental blockage trying to come up with others, but there > are lots more. I'll be happy to savage any you care to name.=0) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > > > > Stephen, > > > > I must admit that I really enjoy your comments on this topic. I don't know > > about the others, but I would really love to see your views on a list of > > "avoid at any cost" equipment - whenever you feel like it, of course. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 > > > > That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power > > supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another stupid > > Carver gimmick. > > Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up on > > my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 9 18:15:59 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:15:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > I was doing??!! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 18:30:15 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:30:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers In-Reply-To: <47.f2dacbf.28a38355@aol.com> Message-ID: >From time to time they are on ebay. I was looking for a pair as well...but settled on some ribbon hybrid speakers. These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. The SDA is stereo dimensional array and the speakers are wired to each other for phase cancellation. These speakers CANNOT be used with balanced amplifiers.....they will blow them. Before you decide on these, ask Mr. Sank about them...he does not feel they do that well compared to other speakers. The problem you will find with picking up these is the cost to ship and package.....so you will likely have to wait until you find some close to your area. Expect to pay a bit over a $1,000 for them. Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > Hi, > > I'm searching for a used pair of the very first reference series > Polk Audio > SDA's. ( I believe they were called SDA's, I currently own the > little brother > to these the SDA 6's. I remember seeing these speakers in those ads with > Matthew Polk standing next to them. They are extremely large > floor standers. > Thank you in advance for your help with my search. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 9 19:06:12 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:06:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B72C302.F783DFBB@pacbell.net> So Jim, what were the fireworks like? A bose nut (my postoffice counterperson) recently told me that, while a military man stationed in Germany, the bose rep in Germany plugged a pair of 901 series tinny into the AC and they buzzed like crazy, but none of the voicecoils opened! Is this a claim to fame in reaching the pinnacle of audio excellence--or what? Could this guy go postal? Be advised when postal clerks talk like this, wear your bulletproofvest when making complicated or lengthy postal transactions!!!!! Certainly supports Stephen's recent never buy list Salim Marzuki wrote: > Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! > Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > > I was doing??!! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Thu Aug 9 19:11:37 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:11:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002701c120f6$5a4fafe0$929c42d8@idirect.com> Jim, your story on the Crown Amp....and the foolish things we do when we were young(er), reminds me of when I was living in India in the mid 1970's. I had an AKAI M-8 Reel to Reel which sounded very good (tube recorder) and I wanted to keep it sounding that way. So I decided to find the most powerful thing I could get to keep the heads clean, and so I bought a bottle of CTC (carbon tetrachloride) which was easily available there. Not knowing the side effects of inhaling the vapors for a period of time (minor things like nausea, vomiting, coma and death) the first thing I did was open the bottle and take good sniff of the stuff. Wasn't long before I started feeling light headed while cleaning the heads. Of course this stuff is extremely emollient, evaporates very fast, and of course I have the cap off the bottle all this time. I decided to look up what this stuff is in an encyclopedia that I had, that's when I learned that this stuff can be toxic! I went outside and took a long spell of fresh air. I probably fried a few of my neurons but other than that I was no worse for wear (at least I think). This is what you get when you're 14 years old and don't know what you're doing. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 19:45:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:45:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT s... Message-ID: <12c.2b62441.28a42634@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam. Ideally, I would recommend first purchasing a dedicated digital front end, preamp with HT pass through, amp and two speakers that sound great for music. I would then purchase a DVD player, surround sound processor, three channel amp, center channel and surround speakers to fill out the system for enjoying movies. Best of both worlds. Good luck! Jim Volpatti >> Thank you Jim! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 19:52:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:52:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: <79.18d74b45.28a427cf@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. Jim Volpatti >> Again, thank you. You are the third or forth audiophile that has told me not to put much "faith" in reviews anymore. If I can't trust what I read, where can I go to learn the "truth" about a product. Finding fist-person testimonials is not always easy, although NakTalkers has proven to be a wonderful resource for learning more about my ( and this is the very FIRST time I've admitted this ) audiophile ( I can't believe I said it! ) hobby. Yes, I know you all warned me and I appreciate the warnings. However, after working in a professional environment, and having to train my ear and listen to music at a different level than as a casual listener or former DJ, I am being drawn into the "dark side of the force" and finding that I like many of the audiophile products. I think I need to go and pray...maybe find a local support group. (wink) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 19:54:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:54:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:59:53 AM Central Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << Believe me if you get a mac it will grow on you, once you get used to the application of monumental architecture to a little stereo component! See Ya Javier >> Thanks Javier, I will check out your URL. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 19:59:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:59:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment Message-ID: <129.2bbedc4.28a42985@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 7:45:24 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << I must agree on their looks, I don't know if it's the theroy of things all come around again every 15 or so years, or retro is in, but I find Mac's looks to be appealing. Brian Miller Michigan >> Uh no, you're being drawn in, don't go into the light! (lol) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 20:06:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:06:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <24.17782fc8.28a42b0c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, marc.stager at verizon.net writes: << Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops to 10 or 12 bits. >> Hi Marc, "Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops to 10 or 12 bits." One of the reasons the group I'm working with moved to DAT was to remove traditional tape hiss associated with cassettes. We also use limiters and create very clean copies. However, how do you totally remove tape hiss? Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 20:14:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:14:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:31:28 AM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << From time to time they are on ebay. I was looking for a pair as well...but settled on some ribbon hybrid speakers. These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. The SDA is stereo dimensional array and the speakers are wired to each other for phase cancellation. These speakers CANNOT be used with balanced amplifiers.....they will blow them. Before you decide on these, ask Mr. Sank about them...he does not feel they do that well compared to other speakers. The problem you will find with picking up these is the cost to ship and package.....so you will likely have to wait until you find some close to your area. Expect to pay a bit over a $1,000 for them. Alex Cagann AUTO CONSORTIUM http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium >> Hi Alex, Thank you. Yes, Stephen included Polk Audio on his "hit" list of gear not to purchase. I have to say that I've been blessed as I must have matched my gear perfectly, (and some divine help in the process) as my Polk Audio SDA-6's sound fantastic and I'm driving them with a Yamaha R-9 receiver. Like any speaker, I learned that placement is crucial with Polk. The SDA-6's also deploy the stereo dimensional array and the speakers are wired to each other for the phase cancellation effect. They include 2 tweeters, 3 midrange drivers, and one (doesn't look like it's 15") woofer/subwoofer each. If I didn't think I would get flamed, I'd tell you what I paid for them. But it was a bargain above all bargains. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 20:15:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:15:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: <72.e12ac5d.28a42d30@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:31:28 AM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. >> BTW - How do you like the sound of these speakers? And, what are you using to drive them? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 20:25:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:25:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: Message-ID: <3B72D595.2EBF3B34@yahoo.com> There's a Mcintosh list at www.topica.com If anyoner wants to join drop me an E gotta run More later Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:44:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << I used to do a lot of sales at the McIntosh/Nak dealer I worked for in > Philadelphia. Whenever anyone would ask me what I thought of McIntosh > equipment, I just said, "It's made by God." >> > > Thanks Stephen. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 20:30:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:30:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... Message-ID: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by audiorevolution.com. I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, thank you in advance for your help with this request. -Sam Here is the link if you're curious about this product: http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html This is the link to it's review: http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/zsystems/index.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 20:36:11 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 In-Reply-To: <003001c1207b$6abfb760$47289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010809183611.68137.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Guys, thanks for your help the RX-505 problems. I got the pinch roller assembly off the RX-505 last night, shaft and all! Re-alignment is going to be a bitch. I tried and tried to get the shaft off the pinch roller and just couldn't do it. Finally I took all the rubber/plastic pieces off and held it over an open flame (stove) and that loosen'd it enough so that I could get it off. If I had known that before, I could have used a soldering iron or heat gun to loosen it and then used a solvent and a thin oil relube it and not messed up the alignment. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Scott, after I cleaned the shaft and put / press it > back to place, I put one > tiny drop of superglue *from behind* meaning it will > grip the back end of > the shaft. Pretty strong and easy to clean / remove > if needed later on. > > SM > PS: Try to 'remember' current tape path on erase > head if you can't get any > tools at all. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > > > > Sorry to hear that, Scott. Once the roller arm(s) > is removed, the > shaft(s) > > will need to be firmly glued/epoxied into the > chassis' nylon molding. > Once > > that press-fit is loosened, there's no other > choice. I can offer the loan > > of my guide alignment jig, but I would need it > back very quickly, since it > > gets used very frequently. When re-assembling, I > consider it best to use > > just a tiny bit of light silicone grease on the > shafts. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 20:57:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:57:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: <3e.fb05b44.28a4372f@aol.com> Hi, Since many of you are experienced "recordist" I would like to ask you a few questions regarding recording and the CR-7. 1. Is it necessary to auto calibrate when switching from side "A'' to side "B" of the same cassette? 2. Since I couldn't locate any detail in the manual, I have been assuming that the deck only stores the last tape type used and therefore whenever I move from one type of tape to another I must press the "reset" button. Is this the case? 3. I've been pressing the "auto calibrate" button twice before beginning a recording and it appears that this step is unnecessary. Is this true or are there any advantages to running the calibration process twice before beginning a recording? 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there any sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? As always, thank you all for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 21:01:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:01:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <045601c12105$c418d780$043442cf@sank1> Yes, Jim, I am most pointedly talking about the Micro- & Macro-Tech series of Crown amps. If you've ever had one open, you'll know what I mean about too little heatsinking. Each channel has about enough heatsink for maybe a 75w amp, even on the highest powered models. They depend almost entirely upon the fan for cooling. When they blow up, which they do on occassion, they do it in a big way & they are not at all pleasant to service. Usually takes the better part of, or all of, a day & an assload of parts. And they just don't sound good enough to justify the risk or the price tag. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > Hey Stephen, > > Are you talking about the Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech series Crown amps? I > agree that their Power Balance series was crap but none of the local > sound reinforcement companies who used the Micro and Macro stuff ever > had any problems with them. As a matter of fact, they still use them > today despite the fact that the amp racks have been beat to crap on the > rock n roll circuits. Come to think of it, my Crown PS-400 didn't even > have fans at all and never even got warm. Except for that time that I > TRIED to blow it up. > > You see, Crown has a no fault three year warrantee. I could have thrown > the amp from the top of the Empire State Building and they would have > replaced it. My friend, who was the head technician at the repair shop I > used to work at, way back when, suggested that I buy a Crown, "you'll > never have to buy another amp." Since we were an authorized Crown > warrantee repair station (and they NEVER came in for warrantee work > either) I got a special deal on mine. They also through in an additional > 3 year warrantee for a total of six years. > > Well, I decided that I was going to take my friend up on his challenge > of blowing up the amp. I put it on the test bench, hooked up some 4 ohm > loads and fed it a 15 kHz square wave, at 2/3 power for three days and > it never shut down. I then turned it up to rated power (250 wpc) at the > same frequency and let it sit for another day or two. Again, no problem. > Then I turned it up so that it went into continuous hard clipping. This > time, it went into protect mode after about 10 minutes. As soon as the > heat sinks cooled, it came back to life but still no problems. > > I was determined to blow this thing up so I brought it, the loads and > signal generator home. Once home, I decided that instead of a load at > the output, I would let it drive an open circuit for awhile. Again no > problem. So I decided, screw it, I'm going to short the outputs with the > output section in hard clipping. Again, it just went into protect until > a minute later. I swear, the amp was sneering at me! I walked away very > frustrated but not defeated. > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > I was doing??!! > > Well, anyway, here I am in my bathrobe in my living room at 3 in the > morning, possessed by the idea of blowing this damn thing up. I stripped > some insulation off the ends of the zip cord, hooked everything up, > turned up the amp and generator and then stuck the ends of the wire in > the socket of the outlet directly below the one the amp was plugged in > to. > > What ensued next was the loaded explosion and highest voltage AC jolt > I've ever experienced. I was literally thrown into the wall behind me. I > laid there for a minute or so, trying to regain my wits. After I found > my balance and was able to stand, I figured that I better figure out > where that explosion came from. Aside from the burnt plastic AC outlet > cover and plug, everything seemed OK in the living room. I thought to > myself, "uh oh, what about the distribution panel down stairs in the > basement??" Just as I reached the stairs my 65 year old Chinese > landlord who lived upstairs flew past me down the stairs screaming lord > knows what in Cantonese. > > As I reached the bottom of the stairs, in the basement, I understood > why, There, laying on the floor, bent in half, 50' from the distro > panel, was the metal distro panel cover. It seems that I blew the hell > out of the panel. I fried both the main breakers and the breaker for the > circuit that the amp was plugged into. There was melted plastic, bare > wire and and smoke coming from the panel. My landlord was irate, > pointing her finger at me, yelling probably the foulest Cantonese since > she KNEW this was MY fault. > > Well, I couldn't tell a lie. I paid an electrician close to $800 to > repair the panel and guess what. I plugged the amp back in after all of > this and it still works to this day. > > Cheers! > > Jim Volpatti > > P.S. Do NOT try this at home! > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I agree that specific recommendations can't be made without more specifics > > on the nature of the installation(and the budget), but I can add a bit of > > info. > > While Mackie's are usually reliable & decent sounding, I consider Yamaha to > > be much better for mixers, in terms of reliability, sound & ease of service. > > Tascam boards are generally a huge pain in the neck to work on & are less > > reliable, in my experience than Yamaha. Regardless of budget & application, > > it's hard to go wrong with a Yamaha. > > On power amps, I would NOT recommend Crown. They are seriously overpriced, > > don't sound all that great & if the fan dies, or airflow is otherwise > > restricted, they tend to go up in flames. WAY too little heatsinking for > > the power output. QSC's are OK, but not quite top notch on reliability or > > sound. Assuming that even old McIntosh solid state amps are out of the > > question(but which would be the best choice, for sure), the pro line of > > Hafler amps are both extremely reliable & quite good sounding. > > I'm a ribbon mic guy, so it's tough for me to recommend ANY dynamic mic, but > > one of the LAST brands I would consider good is EV. I'd much sooner > > recommend Shure SM-58 or SM-57, or any Beyer above $150 retail price. > > Sennheisers just don't sound good to me, and tend to be overpriced. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Aug 9 21:13:46 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:13:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers References: <72.e12ac5d.28a42d30@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72E0E5.F6CDA28C@pacbell.net> Sam, I bought to sell a pair of sda? speakers that had 4 small woofers, a passive radiator and a tweeter and mid. They sounded pretty good, but were by no means outstanding If you are looking for some incredible speakers, look for the new magneplanars, I don't know the model #, however it has enjoyed some very good reviews and, unlike box speakers, image and soundstage beautifully SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:31:28 AM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. > They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are > almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. >> > > BTW - How do you like the sound of these speakers? And, what are you using > to drive them? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 21:16:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:16:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? References: <79.18d74b45.28a427cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <048401c12107$d244daa0$043442cf@sank1> It's easy, Sam. Just ask me if a product is good or bad. I know everything.=0) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? > In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good > press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. > Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes > sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe > with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, > have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Again, thank you. You are the third or forth audiophile that has told me not > to put much "faith" in reviews anymore. If I can't trust what I read, where > can I go to learn the "truth" about a product. Finding fist-person > testimonials is not always easy, although NakTalkers has proven to be a > wonderful resource for learning more about my ( and this is the very FIRST > time I've admitted this ) audiophile ( I can't believe I said it! ) hobby. > > Yes, I know you all warned me and I appreciate the warnings. However, after > working in a professional environment, and having to train my ear and listen > to music at a different level than as a casual listener or former DJ, I am > being drawn into the "dark side of the force" and finding that I like many of > the audiophile products. I think I need to go and pray...maybe find a local > support group. (wink) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:18:54 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:18:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Sam, I bought to sell a pair of sda? speakers that had 4 small woofers, a passive radiator and a tweeter and mid. They sounded pretty good, but were by no means outstanding If you are looking for some incredible speakers, look for the new magneplanars, I don't know the model #, however it has enjoyed some very good reviews and, unlike box speakers, image and soundstage beautifully >> As always, thank you. Again, I'm one of those types that likes to do the research upfront before making a purchasing decision. It appears, with my "new" taste in music that my system upgrade will over a very long period. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 21:20:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:20:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 References: <20010809183611.68137.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <049801c12108$637ee4c0$043442cf@sank1> I can't believe an RX505 could have such grease seizure at such a "young" age. It must have been a marginally defective batch of grease. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > Guys, thanks for your help the RX-505 problems. > > I got the pinch roller assembly off the RX-505 last > night, shaft and all! Re-alignment is going to be a > bitch. > > I tried and tried to get the shaft off the pinch > roller and just couldn't do it. Finally I took all > the rubber/plastic pieces off and held it over an open > flame (stove) and that loosen'd it enough so that I > could get it off. If I had known that before, I could > have used a soldering iron or heat gun to loosen it > and then used a solvent and a thin oil relube it and > not messed up the alignment. > > SJ > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Scott, after I cleaned the shaft and put / press it > > back to place, I put one > > tiny drop of superglue *from behind* meaning it will > > grip the back end of > > the shaft. Pretty strong and easy to clean / remove > > if needed later on. > > > > SM > > PS: Try to 'remember' current tape path on erase > > head if you can't get any > > tools at all. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > > > > > > > Sorry to hear that, Scott. Once the roller arm(s) > > is removed, the > > shaft(s) > > > will need to be firmly glued/epoxied into the > > chassis' nylon molding. > > Once > > > that press-fit is loosened, there's no other > > choice. I can offer the loan > > > of my guide alignment jig, but I would need it > > back very quickly, since it > > > gets used very frequently. When re-assembling, I > > consider it best to use > > > just a tiny bit of light silicone grease on the > > shafts. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 9 21:26:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:26:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question References: <3e.fb05b44.28a4372f@aol.com> Message-ID: <049e01c12109$4131f5a0$043442cf@sank1> It is not necessary to re-auto-calibrate going from side A to B, as long as the tape isn't defective. Nor is it necessary to auto-cal twice to start with. The auto-cal remembers the last of each tape type(ex, sx or zx) calibrated, so if you run an SA tape, then run an MA tape, you can put the SA tape back in without recalibrating. It is also not necessary to use the reset button almost ever. The only time you'd need to push it is if you have an instance of auto-cal failure, with a flashing display indication. Pushing the auto-cal button resets the system before it runs calibration again, so all you ever need to is put the tape in & push the auto-cal button. Period. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question > Hi, > > Since many of you are experienced "recordist" I would like to ask you a few > questions regarding recording and the CR-7. > > 1. Is it necessary to auto calibrate when switching from side "A'' to side > "B" of the same cassette? > > 2. Since I couldn't locate any detail in the manual, I have been assuming > that the deck only stores the last tape type used and therefore whenever I > move from one type of tape to another I must press the "reset" button. Is > this the case? > > 3. I've been pressing the "auto calibrate" button twice before beginning a > recording and it appears that this step is unnecessary. Is this true or are > there any advantages to running the calibration process twice before > beginning a recording? > > 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there any > sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? > > As always, thank you all for your help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 21:28:14 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:28:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B72C302.F783DFBB@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B72E44E.BC382A6F@earthlink.net> Too funny!! britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > So Jim, what were the fireworks like? A bose nut (my postoffice counterperson) > recently told me that, while a military man stationed in Germany, the bose rep in > Germany plugged a pair of 901 series tinny into the AC and they buzzed like crazy, but > none of the voicecoils opened! Is this a claim to fame in reaching the pinnacle of > audio excellence--or what? Could this guy go postal? Be advised when postal clerks > talk like this, wear your bulletproofvest when making complicated or lengthy postal > transactions!!!!! Certainly supports Stephen's recent never buy list > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! > > Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) > > > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > > > I was doing??!! > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 9 21:33:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:33:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72E59E.40D73E70@concentric.net> IMO, a good music system will do well in HT use, provided it meets a few simple requirements. The reverse is by no means true. What the music system needs: enough power, DPL and DD decoders (DTS and EX offshoots will be nice, but not mandatory), a quality TV display and source components (DVD player. LD player and VCR are nice, but not mandatory). A good HT system may (or may not) do well as a music system. If it doesn't, it cannot be massaged to work, it has to be (at least, partially) replaced. Anyone that heard Definitive Technology speakers knows what I mean: Bombastic, in-the-face sound that works well for James Bond movies but sounds like 'drek' for Ricky Lee Jones (not to mention, a Beethoven symphony). Same is true for such amps as the Lawless 5 channel, some (not all) Parasound units and several others. For this reason, when auditioning a component, I bring with me recordings of Gottschalk's Grande Tarantelle, Verdi's Requiem, and a Mendelssohn string symphony. Anything that plays the Requiem and still sounds 'musical' will work well for HT. That said, there is a lot more to HT than meets the ear. Some visual features only come with specific types of TV displays and DVD players. Screen size is an issue (yes, Virginia, size *does* matter), as are various display amenities, such as screen format (4:3 vs. 16:9), presence and what kind of line doubler (or tripler or quadrupler), and direct vs. projection. If the latter, rear vs. front, etc.. In addition to this (and maybe, because of it) 'driving' a HT setup is a bit more complicated than listening to a stereo set. As my wife defines it, one needs a PhD in Eastern Philosophy, nerves of steel and a driver license. Me, I think that reading all the Users Manuals may suffice. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating updating > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio via > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me offline > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 21:35:46 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:35:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers References: Message-ID: <024f01c1210a$7e3e82a0$3c031fac@brianm> >It appears, with my "new" taste in music that my system upgrade will over a very long period. It's that way for most, if not all, of us Sam! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers > In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:07:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Sam, I bought to sell a pair of sda? speakers that had 4 small woofers, a > passive > radiator and a tweeter and mid. They sounded pretty good, but were by no > means > outstanding > > If you are looking for some incredible speakers, look for the new > magneplanars, I > don't know the model #, however it has enjoyed some very good reviews and, > unlike box > speakers, image and soundstage beautifully >> > > As always, thank you. Again, I'm one of those types that likes to do the > research upfront before making a purchasing decision. It appears, with my > "new" taste in music that my system upgrade will over a very long period. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 9 21:38:38 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:38:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, when driving good speakers. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak RE1 > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus decent > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for HT > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / power, I > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand AV > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old Nak > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed lately > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & > HT systems > > > Hi All, > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > updating > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio > via > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > offline > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:38:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:38:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:18:47 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << It's easy, Sam. Just ask me if a product is good or bad. I know everything.=0) >> Thats funny. ;-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:39:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:39:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:28:21 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << It is not necessary to re-auto-calibrate going from side A to B, as long as the tape isn't defective. Nor is it necessary to auto-cal twice to start with. The auto-cal remembers the last of each tape type(ex, sx or zx) calibrated, so if you run an SA tape, then run an MA tape, you can put the SA tape back in without recalibrating. It is also not necessary to use the reset button almost ever. The only time you'd need to push it is if you have an instance of auto-cal failure, with a flashing display indication. Pushing the auto-cal button resets the system before it runs calibration again, so all you ever need to is put the tape in & push the auto-cal button. Period. >> Thank you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 9 21:48:54 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:48:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <014901c1210c$52a8c180$6bef3fd0@oemcomputer> The bryston is pretty good, and Mr.Sank does good mods to the Rane and ashly crossovers. His mod of my ashly made a real improvement in transparency. On the topic of stuff Stephen hates I wonder how he feelsabout the following: Musical Fidelity Arcam Bryston Conrad Johnson (solid state and tube) parasound audio by van alstine Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 21:46:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:46:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3B72E8A4.F32C526F@earthlink.net> Hi Marc, I want to make sure that I understand you. Are you saying that a Sony TC5, using Dolby B and Sony ES tape, comes incredibly close to a Studer 1/2" full track deck running at 30 ips?? If so, and I certainly mean no disrespect, I would have to hear it to believe it. Have you had the opportunity to compare the two side by side? Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > > For live recording I use a well calibrated Sony TC5 and the best > tape available, and I use Dolby B and the on-board limiter but > very sparingly. > > Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all > practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set > levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic > range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest > passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops > to 10 or 12 bits. > > The best possible recording medium would be a Studer 1/2 inch > at 30 IPS, no noise recuction necessary, but these Sony Metal ES > recordings come incredibly close. and superior to ANY DAT > recording I've ever heard. > > re: BASF Maxima: I bought some very inexpensive BASF CR-90 > tapes and they sounded excellent. I use them to make copies > and they are close, nearly identical to the original tapes. > IF I can't find any more Sony Metal-ES I'll be checking out > the BASF Maxima as an alternative. > > As to finding an internet source for the Sony tapes, I've looked. > Even using Copernic to do a deep search, (Copernic combines the > services of all the major search engines) I've turned up nothing. > There is a site - Sony Japan, where you can see what one of these > beauties looks like: > http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/products/Consumer/A-ME/ES.html > > Stager Sound Systems (just a rudimentary effort for now,) > http://marc.stager.com/ > > New York Chamber Symphony at Central Park, July 24,2001 > http://marc.stager.com/sss/NYCS-CP2001.jpg > > ________________________ Marc Stager > > ========================================== > > At 8/8/01, you wrote: > >In a message dated 8/8/2001 10:25:36 AM Central Daylight Time, > >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > > > ><< By the way, come to Forest Park in Woodhaven > > on Sundays August 12 and 19, 4:00 PM for a concert > > by the Queens Symphony Orchestra. Stager Sound Systems > > is providing the sound reinforcement. > > > > __________________________ Marc Stager > > Stager Sound Systems NYC >> > > > >Hi Marc, > > > >Do you have a website? Congrats on the cool business you're in. > > > >I wanted to ask you why you haven't gone over to the "dark" side and use a > >digital recorder for your live performances? That seems to be a trend, do > >you agree? > > > >-Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 21:48:29 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:48:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <000a01c120ec$7f0529a0$999c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <3B72E90D.CB50DCE0@earthlink.net> Thanks, Roland. It's not a story that I'm proud of, but it does get a chuckle every now and then. Live an learn... Jim Volpatti Roland Alford wrote: > > WOW! Re: The Crown Amp assassination attempt.....That's a great story, Jim! > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Roland Alford wrote: > > Jim, your story on the Crown Amp....and the foolish things we do when we > were young(er), reminds me of when I was living in India in the mid 1970's. > I had an AKAI M-8 Reel to Reel which sounded very good (tube recorder) and I > wanted to keep it sounding that way. > > So I decided to find the most powerful thing I could get to keep the heads > clean, and so I bought a bottle of CTC (carbon tetrachloride) which was > easily available there. > > Not knowing the side effects of inhaling the vapors for a period of time > (minor things like nausea, vomiting, coma and death) the first thing I did > was open the bottle and take good sniff of the stuff. Wasn't long before I > started feeling light headed while cleaning the heads. Of course this stuff > is extremely emollient, evaporates very fast, and of course I have the cap > off the bottle all this time. > > I decided to look up what this stuff is in an encyclopedia that I had, > that's when I learned that this stuff can be toxic! I went outside and took > a long spell of fresh air. I probably fried a few of my neurons but other > than that I was no worse for wear (at least I think). > > This is what you get when you're 14 years old and don't know what you're > doing. > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:53:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:53:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 2:40:44 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << >It appears, with my "new" taste in music that my system upgrade will over a very long period. It's that way for most, if not all, of us Sam! Brian Miller Michigan >> ;-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 21:53:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:53:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT s... References: <12c.2b62441.28a42634@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72EA48.134E23A3@earthlink.net> Anytime Sam. = ) SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Hi Sam. > > Ideally, I would recommend first purchasing a dedicated digital front > end, preamp with HT pass through, amp and two speakers that sound great > for music. I would then purchase a DVD player, surround sound processor, > three channel amp, center channel and surround speakers to fill out the > system for enjoying movies. Best of both worlds. > > Good luck! > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Thank you Jim! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 21:55:47 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:55:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > when driving good speakers. That I would like to hear! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > when driving good speakers. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak RE1 > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus decent > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for HT > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / power, I > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand AV > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old Nak > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed lately > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & > > HT systems > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > updating > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel audio > > via > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of this > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 for > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into one > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > offline > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 21:56:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:56:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Thank You Message-ID: Thank you all for your advise and assistance with my HT questions, I truly appreciate it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 21:59:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:59:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? References: <79.18d74b45.28a427cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72EB99.B652B685@earthlink.net> A local support group is an excellent idea. I wish we had one around here. Perhaps I should start one. I can definitely relate. Sam, I've found that if you ask 15 audiophiles a question, you'll get 18 different answers. If you're hoping to build a consensus, it's probably not very likely. This is an extremely subjective hobby and the preferences definitely run the gamut. I would suggest that you get out and pound the pavement and listen to as much equipment as possible. Don't let the salesmen dictate what you prefer in sound quality. It's only through this process that you can buy with confidence. If they tell you something that sounds fishy, you always have us to fall back on to get a 2nd (or 18th) opinion. Good luck! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good > press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. > Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes > sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe > with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, > have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Again, thank you. You are the third or forth audiophile that has told me not > to put much "faith" in reviews anymore. If I can't trust what I read, where > can I go to learn the "truth" about a product. Finding fist-person > testimonials is not always easy, although NakTalkers has proven to be a > wonderful resource for learning more about my ( and this is the very FIRST > time I've admitted this ) audiophile ( I can't believe I said it! ) hobby. > > Yes, I know you all warned me and I appreciate the warnings. However, after > working in a professional environment, and having to train my ear and listen > to music at a different level than as a casual listener or former DJ, I am > being drawn into the "dark side of the force" and finding that I like many of > the audiophile products. I think I need to go and pray...maybe find a local > support group. (wink) > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 9 22:04:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:04:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question References: <3e.fb05b44.28a4372f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72ECBF.487BE281@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Since many of you are experienced "recordist" I would like to ask you a few > questions regarding recording and the CR-7. > > 1. Is it necessary to auto calibrate when switching from side "A'' to side > "B" of the same cassette? No. The original setting is still kept in memory. > 2. Since I couldn't locate any detail in the manual, I have been assuming > that the deck only stores the last tape type used and therefore whenever I > move from one type of tape to another I must press the "reset" button. Is > this the case? No need to press Reset (you only use it to terminate a failed automatic calibration cycle). Just calibrate a new tape, the new data will replace the old one. > 3. I've been pressing the "auto calibrate" button twice before beginning a > recording and it appears that this step is unnecessary. Is this true or are > there any advantages to running the calibration process twice before > beginning a recording? A second Calibrate push is ignored. The deck will not repeat a calibration cycle until you push Stop. > 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there any > sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? I am no sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? -- Ron > > As always, thank you all for your help. > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Been in Framingham for 12 years now. -- Ron Frank Baker wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > I grew up in Westboro, but moved out after high school and haven't looked > back. > > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:00 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Audio Systems > > > > > > erie patsellis wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > Small world, grew up in Chicopee, and moved to Illinois about 3 > > years ago > > > > Ha... I'm in Framingham. Didn't think anyone would > > know where it sits... > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 22:16:26 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:16:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> Sam, The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those with high resoluction music systems. The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't have a local dealer but I'm not sure. Let us know if you have any other questions. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > audiorevolution.com. > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > -Sam > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html > > This is the link to it's review: > > http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/zsystems/index.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 9 22:22:02 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:22:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? References: <79.18d74b45.28a427cf@aol.com> <3B72EB99.B652B685@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02aa01c12110$f666a540$3c031fac@brianm> So true, so very true!!! Words of wisdom Sam. Building a system reminds me of when we built our house. It's a log home, and there are some that believe they have the *only* way to do it. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? > > A local support group is an excellent idea. I wish we had one around > here. Perhaps I should start one. I can definitely relate. > > Sam, I've found that if you ask 15 audiophiles a question, you'll get 18 > different answers. If you're hoping to build a consensus, it's probably > not very likely. This is an extremely subjective hobby and the > preferences definitely run the gamut. I would suggest that you get out > and pound the pavement and listen to as much equipment as possible. > Don't let the salesmen dictate what you prefer in sound quality. It's > only through this process that you can buy with confidence. > If they tell you something that sounds fishy, you always have us to fall > back on to get a 2nd (or 18th) opinion. > > Good luck! > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good > > press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. > > Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes > > sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe > > with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, > > have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > >> > > > > Again, thank you. You are the third or forth audiophile that has told me not > > to put much "faith" in reviews anymore. If I can't trust what I read, where > > can I go to learn the "truth" about a product. Finding fist-person > > testimonials is not always easy, although NakTalkers has proven to be a > > wonderful resource for learning more about my ( and this is the very FIRST > > time I've admitted this ) audiophile ( I can't believe I said it! ) hobby. > > > > Yes, I know you all warned me and I appreciate the warnings. However, after > > working in a professional environment, and having to train my ear and listen > > to music at a different level than as a casual listener or former DJ, I am > > being drawn into the "dark side of the force" and finding that I like many of > > the audiophile products. I think I need to go and pray...maybe find a local > > support group. 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They sounded pretty good, but were by no means > outstanding > > If you are looking for some incredible speakers, look for the new magneplanars, I > don't know the model #, however it has enjoyed some very good reviews and, unlike box > speakers, image and soundstage beautifully > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:31:28 AM Central Daylight Time, > > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. > > They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are > > almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. >> > > > > BTW - How do you like the sound of these speakers? And, what are you using > > to drive them? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 22:40:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:40:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <3B72E59E.40D73E70@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B72F52B.6717335F@earthlink.net> I couldn't have said it better, Ron! We don't sell home theater products at my shop, per say, but we do know how to make HT sound damn good. Building a home theater system that sounds great with music is THE way to get the best of both worlds in a "single" system. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > IMO, a good music system will do well in HT use, > provided it meets a few simple requirements. The > reverse is by no means true. > > What the music system needs: enough power, DPL and DD > decoders (DTS and EX offshoots will be nice, but not > mandatory), a quality TV display and source components > (DVD player. LD player and VCR are nice, but not > mandatory). > > A good HT system may (or may not) do well as a music > system. If it doesn't, it cannot be massaged to work, > it has to be (at least, partially) replaced. Anyone that > heard Definitive Technology speakers knows what I mean: > Bombastic, in-the-face sound that works well for James > Bond movies but sounds like 'drek' for Ricky Lee Jones > (not to mention, a Beethoven symphony). Same is true > for such amps as the Lawless 5 channel, some (not all) > Parasound units and several others. > > For this reason, when auditioning a component, I bring > with me recordings of Gottschalk's Grande Tarantelle, > Verdi's Requiem, and a Mendelssohn string symphony. > Anything that plays the Requiem and still sounds > 'musical' will work well for HT. > > That said, there is a lot more to HT than meets the ear. > Some visual features only come with specific types of TV > displays and DVD players. Screen size is an issue (yes, > Virginia, size *does* matter), as are various display > amenities, such as screen format (4:3 vs. 16:9), presence > and what kind of line doubler (or tripler or quadrupler), > and direct vs. projection. If the latter, rear vs. front, > etc.. > > In addition to this (and maybe, because of it) 'driving' > a HT setup is a bit more complicated than listening to a > stereo set. As my wife defines it, one needs a PhD in > Eastern Philosophy, nerves of steel and a driver license. > Me, I think that reading all the Users Manuals may suffice. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 9 22:46:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:46:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - McIntosh equipment References: <3B727ABA.A1E9C243@yahoo.com> <3B72B0A3.2DA3E217@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B72F688.90DB6593@yahoo.com> Hi Brian, Everybody I always loved the way they marketed the C32 - as a preamp with an auxilliary amp. Most companies would have presented it as a low powered integrated with preamp outputs! Sadly I don't have any McIntosh speakers but I'de like to get a pair bookshelves someday. My current main system has a C504 an MR80, B215, Carver TL3300, a TD126 and a pair of Vandersteens 2cis. I love the Vandys, great sound, cheap too. I picked them up about 4 years ago for about 500 in really nice shape with just a few tiny runs on the stockings. Can't compare them to much though since I haven't heard much else. I love the 504 preamp because it's so basic and cheap but I wouldn't mind going to a C29 or 712. I have another 504 in the kitchen with an MR500, another B215 and a TD124 The speakers are garbage but the Preamp and tuner stack up nicely on top of them. Hey! It's the multimedia setup so who cares! But I do use the 124 which sits alone on top of the other speaker for transcription with the main amps (MC50s) off. In the living room There's a catastrophic NAD 917 hooked up to 3 MC2100s and an all Optimus Loonyaleum speaker system. Hey! It's the home theatre setup so who cares! Stay away from NADs man. Glad you liked the site! I plan to update it ASAP with more pics but I haven't developed the film I keep meaning to but I've spent myself silly on the broken Stereos! BTW: Since we all now know where we are from perhaps we can describe our main setup(s). See Ya Javier britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Javier, I love your site. My first exposures to McIntosh were, like yours, in my > teens. The first 2 systems both featured c-32 preamps (This preamp is still one of the > only preamps I know of that has an honest 12 wpc headphone amp and speaker terminal > outputs referred to as monitor amplifier outs--essentially a lo power integrated amp) > and dual mc2300 amps, mr 78 or 80 tuners and, of course, lotsa great sources like twin > 10" r-r's, the really cool McIntosh performance indicator/oscilloscope, etc. One of the > 2 systems powered Bozak Concert Grands (still looking for a pair of these beauties just > for pure nostalgia and grandeur) the other had 2 pairs of Bose 901 series trash hanging > from chains in each corner of the room, yukkkkkk. I knew then at age 13 I would some > day have a system like this. Now 25 years later I have nearly the same system, except > for the 901 series tragedy. > > When people ask me why I like McIntosh I reply, they are classic, never break, retain or > go up in value and and gracefully have attained the perfect point of diminishing return > in terms of dollar for quality. Also, McIntosh still stocks parts for very old models! > > What are your favorite McIntosh Loudspeakers, Javier? I have xrt 18's and can never go > back to box speakers. Hope to some day hear and own xr290's and or Pipe Dreams. > > Brian > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Hi Sam > > McIntoshes are like the Cadillacs of audio but these caddys > > have RR mechanicals! As an artist you will surely appreciate > > their ability to compleatly IGNORE trends in styling. They never > > went through a 19 inch rack phase or a curvey bubbley high impact ABS > > phase. They have evolved a unique style over 30 years and really don't > > care what anyone else is doing. That may be the reason some magazine > > people like them. Also, Macs have 2 things going for them. They are > > built > > like tanks and the circuitry is way over engineered. So they are > > reliable > > as hell As for the sound quality, I think they sound great. But that's > > compleatly subjective of course. > > Here's a link to what I have to say about Macs. > > > > http://63.164.201.182/javier/McIntosh/mymacs.html > > > > BTW: I have to congratulate you on your honesty. Aesthetics is important > > to me too > > and I can remember having passed up otherwise good components simply > > because I thought > > they were ugly. Most "audiophiles :)))))" of course will never admit to > > such > > a thing. I too once compared Macs to other brands. After comparing for > > 23 years > > or so (started at around 14) I find that much of the other equipment > > that would have once blown the visual knobs off a mac now looks dated > > and > > pretentious or just plain tacky. But the Macs just don't date! they are > > truly > > timeless. Believe me if you get a mac it will grow on you, once you get > > used to > > the application of monumental architecture to a little stereo component! > > > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've been doing my research and have discovered that there are several brands > > > that seem to consistently prove well in audio reviews and McIntosh is one of > > > those brands. No I have to admit that I am an artist and the appearance of > > > equipment does play a role in my purchase choices. And, unfortunately IMHO > > > McIntosh has not always been the best stuff to look at. Nonetheless, I > > > wanted to "tap" the collective wisdom of this group and ask what is it about > > > McIntosh products that they seem as if they can do no wrong in the eyes of > > > audiophiles? Does their gear sound THAT good? Thank you in advance for > > > your help with this unique request. > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 22:45:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:45:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <045601c12105$c418d780$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B72F663.481D1976@earthlink.net> Thanks for the reply Stephen. I've never known the Micro or Macro stuff to be unreliable but I do agree that there isn't much heat sink there. I've never seen a fan fail or one blow up so I have no idea how extensive or difficult the repair might be. Like I said, my primary concern in sound reinforcement is reliability, over all else. In this regard, Crown has earned their reputation for bullet proof amps. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Yes, Jim, I am most pointedly talking about the Micro- & Macro-Tech series > of Crown amps. If you've ever had one open, you'll know what I mean about > too little heatsinking. Each channel has about enough heatsink for maybe a > 75w amp, even on the highest powered models. They depend almost entirely > upon the fan for cooling. When they blow up, which they do on occassion, > they do it in a big way & they are not at all pleasant to service. Usually > takes the better part of, or all of, a day & an assload of parts. And they > just don't sound good enough to justify the risk or the price tag. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > Are you talking about the Micro-Tech and Macro-Tech series Crown amps? I > > agree that their Power Balance series was crap but none of the local > > sound reinforcement companies who used the Micro and Macro stuff ever > > had any problems with them. As a matter of fact, they still use them > > today despite the fact that the amp racks have been beat to crap on the > > rock n roll circuits. Come to think of it, my Crown PS-400 didn't even > > have fans at all and never even got warm. Except for that time that I > > TRIED to blow it up. > > > > You see, Crown has a no fault three year warrantee. I could have thrown > > the amp from the top of the Empire State Building and they would have > > replaced it. My friend, who was the head technician at the repair shop I > > used to work at, way back when, suggested that I buy a Crown, "you'll > > never have to buy another amp." Since we were an authorized Crown > > warrantee repair station (and they NEVER came in for warrantee work > > either) I got a special deal on mine. They also through in an additional > > 3 year warrantee for a total of six years. > > > > Well, I decided that I was going to take my friend up on his challenge > > of blowing up the amp. I put it on the test bench, hooked up some 4 ohm > > loads and fed it a 15 kHz square wave, at 2/3 power for three days and > > it never shut down. I then turned it up to rated power (250 wpc) at the > > same frequency and let it sit for another day or two. Again, no problem. > > Then I turned it up so that it went into continuous hard clipping. This > > time, it went into protect mode after about 10 minutes. As soon as the > > heat sinks cooled, it came back to life but still no problems. > > > > I was determined to blow this thing up so I brought it, the loads and > > signal generator home. Once home, I decided that instead of a load at > > the output, I would let it drive an open circuit for awhile. Again no > > problem. So I decided, screw it, I'm going to short the outputs with the > > output section in hard clipping. Again, it just went into protect until > > a minute later. I swear, the amp was sneering at me! I walked away very > > frustrated but not defeated. > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > > I was doing??!! > > > > Well, anyway, here I am in my bathrobe in my living room at 3 in the > > morning, possessed by the idea of blowing this damn thing up. I stripped > > some insulation off the ends of the zip cord, hooked everything up, > > turned up the amp and generator and then stuck the ends of the wire in > > the socket of the outlet directly below the one the amp was plugged in > > to. > > > > What ensued next was the loaded explosion and highest voltage AC jolt > > I've ever experienced. I was literally thrown into the wall behind me. I > > laid there for a minute or so, trying to regain my wits. After I found > > my balance and was able to stand, I figured that I better figure out > > where that explosion came from. Aside from the burnt plastic AC outlet > > cover and plug, everything seemed OK in the living room. I thought to > > myself, "uh oh, what about the distribution panel down stairs in the > > basement??" Just as I reached the stairs my 65 year old Chinese > > landlord who lived upstairs flew past me down the stairs screaming lord > > knows what in Cantonese. > > > > As I reached the bottom of the stairs, in the basement, I understood > > why, There, laying on the floor, bent in half, 50' from the distro > > panel, was the metal distro panel cover. It seems that I blew the hell > > out of the panel. I fried both the main breakers and the breaker for the > > circuit that the amp was plugged into. There was melted plastic, bare > > wire and and smoke coming from the panel. My landlord was irate, > > pointing her finger at me, yelling probably the foulest Cantonese since > > she KNEW this was MY fault. > > > > Well, I couldn't tell a lie. I paid an electrician close to $800 to > > repair the panel and guess what. I plugged the amp back in after all of > > this and it still works to this day. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > P.S. Do NOT try this at home! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I agree that specific recommendations can't be made without more > specifics > > > on the nature of the installation(and the budget), but I can add a bit > of > > > info. > > > While Mackie's are usually reliable & decent sounding, I consider Yamaha > to > > > be much better for mixers, in terms of reliability, sound & ease of > service. > > > Tascam boards are generally a huge pain in the neck to work on & are > less > > > reliable, in my experience than Yamaha. Regardless of budget & > application, > > > it's hard to go wrong with a Yamaha. > > > On power amps, I would NOT recommend Crown. They are seriously > overpriced, > > > don't sound all that great & if the fan dies, or airflow is otherwise > > > restricted, they tend to go up in flames. WAY too little heatsinking > for > > > the power output. QSC's are OK, but not quite top notch on reliability > or > > > sound. Assuming that even old McIntosh solid state amps are out of the > > > question(but which would be the best choice, for sure), the pro line of > > > Hafler amps are both extremely reliable & quite good sounding. > > > I'm a ribbon mic guy, so it's tough for me to recommend ANY dynamic mic, > but > > > one of the LAST brands I would consider good is EV. I'd much sooner > > > recommend Shure SM-58 or SM-57, or any Beyer above $150 retail price. > > > Sennheisers just don't sound good to me, and tend to be overpriced. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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And, what are > you using > to drive them? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Aug 9 22:55:58 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:55:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> <014901c1210c$52a8c180$6bef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003301c12115$b25e9f60$42756acf@johny1uboqh2n1> Haven't heard of Warren! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > The bryston is pretty good, and Mr.Sank does good mods to > the Rane and ashly crossovers. His mod of my ashly made > a real improvement in transparency. > > > On the topic of stuff Stephen hates > I wonder how he feelsabout the following: > Musical Fidelity > Arcam > Bryston > Conrad Johnson (solid state and tube) > parasound > audio by van alstine > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 23:41:55 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:41:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> "High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, when driving good speakers." Ron, what have you been smoking, my friend? hehehe Take a look at the December 2000 issue of Stereophile and read what they have to say about the Denon AVR-4800 receiver. Their findings match my own. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 10 01:09:56 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:09:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Denon and Marantz can make truly HiEnd components for markets other than the US. A friend of mine showed me a catalog of Denon units available in Japan, and they were totally impressive. He said he had listenned to them, via American speakers (of course), in Tokyo, and all sounded awesome. These are not, however, high-end receivers available in the US. These units were separates, and around $5,000 per component (with mono-blocks amps.) It is also true of other companies. Take SONY top of the line CD players. Stereophile, when it was still Stereophile always considered CDP-XA7ES as one of the best money can buy ($3,000). In the UK and Japan this is not even the top model. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thu, August 09, 2001 4:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems "High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, when driving good speakers." Ron, what have you been smoking, my friend? hehehe Take a look at the December 2000 issue of Stereophile and read what they have to say about the Denon AVR-4800 receiver. Their findings match my own. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 10 01:16:09 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:16:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... In-Reply-To: <3B6C0949.60A395D8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <006501c12129$46082840$40f9883e@a4s1s2> Thanks for the good advice, Ron. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 04 August 2001 15:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talking of tapes ... I happen to have a cassette tape splicer that I haven't used in many years. When a leader breaks, I replace the whole leader (I have a few cassettes that I cannibalize for parts) and glue it to the beginning of the tape with a tiny drop of household cement, free hand. Finding the splicer and setting it up is too much trouble. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 10 01:16:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:16:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! In-Reply-To: <003001c11e47$86cedde0$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006601c12129$470b8e80$40f9883e@a4s1s2> Salim I presume this is the 33 series. In their day, they were considered to be the best of the Brits for a SS amp, whipping even the legendary Leaks ... but then, their SS amps never did quite hit the mark, and certainly couldn't match their tube powered elder siblings. They are much regarded in the UK still esp. by the "retro" hi fi enthusiasts. Indeed, good specimens can fetch quite reasonable prices on the 2nd hand market. However, I think you would find the amp to be warm rather than "clear" or "revealing" but, none-the-less, quite listenable. I also believe you would find the phono stage to be adequate but not much more than that! Don't be put off by the DIN connectors. You could always have them changed, of course - Quad would do it for you and service the amp at the same time, too. The only problem you'll have is that some cables are simply too fat to get into a decent DIN plug. But there is much propaganda (in my view) spouted about how inferior are DIN plugs to RCAs. If they are so inferior why would Naim stick with them? And few would dare to suggest that a Naim system sounds bad .... Having said that, Quad did switch to RCA! Just my thoughts ... Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 06 August 2001 08:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! Yesterday I spotted a gold colored Quad preamp (not the 4xx series), any opinion on this esp compared to Mac and ... Adcom (grin) ? Does this Brit preamp have good clarity ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pre-amp question!!! > You're using a CA-7A? Ouch! Yes, both the C33 & Apt preamps are far better > than the CA-7A. The CA-7A is gorgeous both inside & out, but dreadful > sounding. Really hurt sales of the superb PA-5/7 amps is was almost always > demo'd with. I'm quite sure your jaw will drop when you listen to the Mac. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Fri Aug 10 01:58:36 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:58:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a pair of these I bought used 10 years ago ($1250). they sound great but I do not use the SDA feature. I have zero desire to upgrade from these babies. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Alex Cagann > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA > speakers > > > From time to time they are on ebay. I was looking for a pair as > well...but > settled on some ribbon hybrid speakers. These are called the SDA > SRS 1.2's. > They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are > almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. The > SDA is stereo dimensional array and the speakers are wired to > each other for > phase cancellation. These speakers CANNOT be used with balanced > amplifiers.....they will blow them. Before you decide on these, ask Mr. > Sank about them...he does not feel they do that well compared to other > speakers. The problem you will find with picking up these is the cost to > ship and package.....so you will likely have to wait until you find some > close to your area. Expect to pay a bit over a $1,000 for them. > > Alex Cagann > AUTO CONSORTIUM > http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium > > > Hi, > > > > I'm searching for a used pair of the very first reference series > > Polk Audio > > SDA's. ( I believe they were called SDA's, I currently own the > > little brother > > to these the SDA 6's. I remember seeing these speakers in > those ads with > > Matthew Polk standing next to them. They are extremely large > > floor standers. > > Thank you in advance for your help with my search. > > > > -Sam > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 02:24:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:24:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010809073932.02149220@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B729487.150DE018@it.cas.cz> Message-ID: <3B7329BA.D510C15A@concentric.net> Andras Szollos wrote: > > Andras > > Prague, Czech Republic Just came back from Prague a few weeks ago. Wonderful trip. The State Opera was an unbelievable treat (we went to see Nabucco and everyone in the party was so impressed we all agreed to to come back, so we caught Cosy Fan Tutte as well). The Mozart Requiem, in the Smetana hall, was also of very high caliber. Great city. Highly recommended to any one that has a week to spend. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 02:32:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:32:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Using grease instead of heatsink compound References: <47.f2dacbf.28a38355@aol.com> <3B729735.9EE54D1A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B732B8A.E5E500A1@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi guys > As some of you may know, my main hobby is > restoring REASONABLY priced old audio gear. > Occasionally I run into a beast that has grease > on the outputs instead of heatsink compound. I was wondering if > there's a thermal or chemical difference between > the two relevant to transistors and heatsinks. > Naturally if grease does the job, why spend the > extra cash on expensive heatsink compound. > Any ideas? Yes. Don't do it!!! Thermal compound is made to be an isolator while grease can cause leakage -- especially if impregnated with Molybdenum or other metal. Thermal compound is made to be a thermal conductor while grease is not. Thermal compound is widely available (even RS carry it). While more expensive than grease, it doesn't cost enough to matter. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 02:35:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:35:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 remote cables References: <041c01c120b6$bae08ea0$043442cf@sank1> <000a01c120ea$7b2457e0$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B732C35.4220F827@concentric.net> Salim, they are available in the US at electronic supply houses. There are two kinds of 8 pin DIN connectors. If you have a contact in the US, they should be able to send you some. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks much, Stephen. > > 8 pin DIN is quite rare in this area, closest I can find this afternoon was > 6 pin plug. Would be really cool to be able to adjust whole system + > azimuth using one remote ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:36 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 remote cables > > > Salim, > > Just checked the CA-7 manual against the CR-7's, and confirmed that > the > > cables should be wired as I said, pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 02:39:29 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:39:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B732D41.F0A62A94@concentric.net> Rane makes SS electronic crossovers. Comparatively affordable, even though not exactly cheap. See http://www.rane.com/ -- Ron Carl Cobb wrote: > > Looking for recommendations on an electronic crossover to go active on a > pair of Linn speakers.....any ideas? Only one that has been recommended to > me is Audio Research ec 21 tube model. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > > > You risk opening up a Pandora's box, George. It'd be safer, and probably > a > > considerably shorter list, to ask me what I consider to be NOT on the > "avoid > > at all costs list". Less fun, of course. > > Without commentary, let me just give a short version of the "avoid at all > > costs list": > > Carver/Sunfire/Phase Linear > > NAD > > Bose(do I even need to say it?) > > Creek(can't believe how horribly that crap is built! oh, I did say > "without > > commentary") > > Proton > > Polk(sorry Sam) > > Bang & Olufsen(with a few exceptions) > > Audiosource > > Krell(for the sake of not wasting enormous wads of cash on the mundane) > > Audio Research(same reason, plus horrifyingly poor serviceability) > > > > I'm experience a mental blockage trying to come up with others, but there > > are lots more. I'll be happy to savage any you care to name.=0) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I must admit that I really enjoy your comments on this topic. I don't > know > > > about the others, but I would really love to see your views on a list of > > > "avoid at any cost" equipment - whenever you feel like it, of course. > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > > > Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:22:21 -0600 > > > > > > That meter is *supposed* to display the stored energy level of the power > > > supply in Joules. It's just a voltmeter, of course. Just another > stupid > > > Carver gimmick. > > > Of course, since you guys got me slicing up Carver, guess what shows up > on > > > my doorstep today to fix- a goddamn Carver receiver! > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The room I have them in is 20 x 20 '. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers > I don't have them....I was going to get them. People that have them, love > them...from what I've heard. They are certainly a 'wow' factor speaker. I > would really like to audition a pair someday...I just haven't found any > around here. I even emailed Matthew Polk and asked him if he had a line on > any...he didn't. > > Alex > > > << These are called the SDA SRS 1.2's. > > They have 4 tweeters, 8 mid-bass, and one 15' passive radiator. They are > > almost 6 feet tall and look like coffins, for lack of a better term. >> > > > > BTW - How do you like the sound of these speakers? And, what are > > you using > > to drive them? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 02:44:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:44:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> I've got to take exception here. With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like a hooker with open sores" list. The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " list, but in there. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > when driving good speakers. > > That I would like to hear! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > when driving good speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak RE1 > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > decent > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > HT > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > power, I > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > AV > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > Nak > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > lately > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & > > > HT systems > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > updating > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > audio > > > via > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > this > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 > for > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > one > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > offline > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 02:49:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:49:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04f801c12136$4d6faec0$043442cf@sank1> Jim, If you mention Behringer in any positive context on rec.audio.pro, you will be guaranteed to start a flame war. Behringer is very low grade build quality & is almost completely in the business of ripping off competitors, such as Mackie & Alesis(not that Alesis is good either). I wouldn't trust anything they made to work more than a year, or even a week. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... > > Sam, > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > with high resoluction music systems. > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > -Sam > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html > > > > This is the link to it's review: > > > > http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/zsystems/index.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 02:55:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:55:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B72C302.F783DFBB@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B7330F8.4B7B596D@concentric.net> I am always amazed when a manufacturer manages to nullify a law of physics :-) . 220V will develop 6000 W across an 8 ohm speaker. In absence of a fuse (sometimes, even with a fuse) this will not 'fry' the speaker, but 'BLOW' it! As a student, I used to work for a radio manufacturer, aligning radios in the a final manufacturing step. Since the speakers were already mounted in enclosures, we used an extension speaker mounted in the bench, that we plugged into the back of the set. The jack used for the speaker was similar to AC outlets (brilliant design). The tech next to me, by mistake, plugged the radio line cord into the back of the radio and the speaker into the 220VAC power line. There was one loud 'bang' and the unmistakable smell of burned bakelite. The tech cursed for 15 minutes straight, then laboriously disassembled the speaker from the bench, mounted and rewired a new speaker in and returned to work. The very next set to align, he repeated the same mistake again and blew the new speakers... Either speaker took a split second to blow. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > So Jim, what were the fireworks like? A bose nut (my postoffice counterperson) > recently told me that, while a military man stationed in Germany, the bose rep in > Germany plugged a pair of 901 series tinny into the AC and they buzzed like crazy, but > none of the voicecoils opened! Is this a claim to fame in reaching the pinnacle of > audio excellence--or what? Could this guy go postal? Be advised when postal clerks > talk like this, wear your bulletproofvest when making complicated or lengthy postal > transactions!!!!! Certainly supports Stephen's recent never buy list > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! > > Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) > > > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > > > I was doing??!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Aug 10 02:59:14 2001 From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:59:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00fb01c12137$ad69e240$302f2ac4@coqui.net> I have one plus their digital patch bay. They're truly darling and Mr. Z himself is a very nice engineer to talk to. A Weiss digital compressor complete my digital path at the mastering suite. Carlos J. Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... > > Sam, > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > with high resoluction music systems. > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > -Sam > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html > > > > This is the link to it's review: > > > > http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/zsystems/index.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Guzman-President Copytech Corporation Puerto Rico copytec at coqui.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > Hi Ron. I can hook up to 9 at a time. Two Perreaux switchers with DBX 200XG > switchers. usually I just rotate them in and out. > > Kevin > > > > > > Mark, How do you get to listen to all these decks? The > > switching facility required must be something enormous. > > For sure, no receiver or preamp has that many inputs. > > > > Just curious, > > > > -- Ron > > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:52 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > > > > > Thanks Marc, I am certifiable. I have had some from new and some I just > > > recently picked up. I was looking for the Aiwa XKS9000 for a long time, > > > finally got one from the original owner last year (he had 2 and this was > his > > > back up) and then found another in similar condition recently and > couldn't > > > resist. I think it is a wonderful deck, great transport, well built and > > > HEAVY. > > > It has one of the best Dolby S installations that I have heard. I think > that > > > the Naks (and 3014A) are better, but it is very close in many respects, > just > > > doesn't have the same "air" and detail. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > Hi Kevin: > > > > > > > > I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding > > > > cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are > you > > > > a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? > > > > Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. How > do > > > > you rate them? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Marc > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 03:01:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:01:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> <014901c1210c$52a8c180$6bef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <052401c12138$0fd9c620$043442cf@sank1> Musical Fidelity is reasonably decent, both build & sound. Arcam I have no direct experience with. Bryston is very well built & reliable, range from excellent to a bit boring on sound. conrad-johnson is what I consider to be the most thoughtfully built tube equipment currently made(excluding McIntosh reissues), and of very high calibre sound(excluding the dreaded PV-10/10A/10L/10AL preamp). Their solid state pieces are quite good, but not in the same league as their tube stuff. Parasound does not impress me at all on their best stuff, and the rest delves into some pretty poor build quality. Even the best of it has lack of thorough thoughtfulness of construction/design. Van Alstine is another one I have no direct experience with. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: carving up carver > The bryston is pretty good, and Mr.Sank does good mods to > the Rane and ashly crossovers. His mod of my ashly made > a real improvement in transparency. > > > On the topic of stuff Stephen hates > I wonder how he feelsabout the following: > Musical Fidelity > Arcam > Bryston > Conrad Johnson (solid state and tube) > parasound > audio by van alstine > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 03:10:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:10:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B733493.C5C91962@concentric.net> Shouldn't be too difficult. Try to get a demo of the Denon 5800 in a reputable shop. Or, listen to the Integra 6.1 -- more difficult, as they have few stores around the country. Then, listen to any spa rates that cost in the same range. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > when driving good speakers. > > That I would like to hear! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > when driving good speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak RE1 > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > decent > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > HT > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > power, I > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > AV > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > Nak > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > lately > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & > > > HT systems > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > updating > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > audio > > > via > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > this > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. 1 > for > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > one > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > offline > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 03:14:17 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:14:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> Jim, are you familiar with the Rane equalizers, especially those designed for home theater? If so, what do you think? -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Sam, > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > with high resoluction music systems. > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > -Sam > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 03:20:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:20:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B7336CB.2E46114A@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > "High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > when driving good speakers." > > Ron, what have you been smoking, my friend? hehehe Take a look at > the December 2000 issue of Stereophile and read what they have to say > about the Denon AVR-4800 receiver. Their findings match my own. Jim, the 4800 is a lower end receiver, that still stands up well to the competition, but does not presume to match separates. The 5800, though, will compete with separates AT THE SAME PRICE RANGE. I never meant to imply it will match esoteric 2 channel equipment that costs twice as much. -- Ron > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 03:20:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:20:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B72C302.F783DFBB@pacbell.net> <3B7330F8.4B7B596D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <054d01c1213a$9bba9280$043442cf@sank1> The secret is plugging the 901 into the wall briefly enough to not melt the wiring. 901's use pitifully skinny wiring, with all 9 drivers wired in series, all having 0.9ohm voice coils. So, the wiring & voicecoils act as resistors, severely limiting the current flow. The sales guy just has to make sure he's quick enough to beat the overheating & burning of the "resistor circuit". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny > > I am always amazed when a manufacturer manages to > nullify a law of physics :-) . 220V will develop > 6000 W across an 8 ohm speaker. In absence of a fuse > (sometimes, even with a fuse) this will not 'fry' the > speaker, but 'BLOW' it! > > As a student, I used to work for a radio manufacturer, > aligning radios in the a final manufacturing step. Since > the speakers were already mounted in enclosures, we > used an extension speaker mounted in the bench, that > we plugged into the back of the set. The jack used for > the speaker was similar to AC outlets (brilliant design). > > The tech next to me, by mistake, plugged the radio line > cord into the back of the radio and the speaker into the > 220VAC power line. There was one loud 'bang' and the > unmistakable smell of burned bakelite. The tech cursed for > 15 minutes straight, then laboriously disassembled the > speaker from the bench, mounted and rewired a new speaker > in and returned to work. The very next set to align, he > repeated the same mistake again and blew the new speakers... > > Either speaker took a split second to blow. > > -- Ron > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > So Jim, what were the fireworks like? A bose nut (my postoffice counterperson) > > recently told me that, while a military man stationed in Germany, the bose rep in > > Germany plugged a pair of 901 series tinny into the AC and they buzzed like crazy, but > > none of the voicecoils opened! Is this a claim to fame in reaching the pinnacle of > > audio excellence--or what? Could this guy go postal? Be advised when postal clerks > > talk like this, wear your bulletproofvest when making complicated or lengthy postal > > transactions!!!!! Certainly supports Stephen's recent never buy list > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! > > > Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > > > > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took > > > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to > > > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of > > > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? > > > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what > > > > I was doing??!! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 03:35:15 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B733A53.A31CF9C2@earthlink.net> Ron, I've never been very impressed with the build quality of the Rane gear. What exactly do you plan to use the eq for? Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Jim, are you familiar with the Rane equalizers, especially > those designed for home theater? If so, what do you think? > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Sam, > > > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > > with high resoluction music systems. > > > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 10 03:34:09 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:34:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio / MR-1 References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> <014901c1210c$52a8c180$6bef3fd0@oemcomputer> <052401c12138$0fd9c620$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001401c1213c$8dfb5e20$769c42d8@idirect.com> Many Thanx to Stephen and all others who shared their thoughts both through NakTalk and directly to me on the Pro Audio topic. One question re the MR-1: Is it possible to tell by a serial number if it has the idler or gear system? I am looking at one with the SN: A12812449 Any thoughts would be appreciated. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 03:45:32 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:45:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I've got to take exception here. > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > a hooker with open sores" list. > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > list, but in there. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & HT systems > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > RE1 > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > decent > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > HT > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > power, I > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > AV > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > Nak > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > lately > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > updating > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > audio > > > > via > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > this > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > 1 > > for > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > one > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > offline > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 03:53:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:53:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio / MR-1 References: <041001c120b5$56e1e9e0$043442cf@sank1> <065b01c120ed$487b6970$9865fea9@D9569601> <014901c1210c$52a8c180$6bef3fd0@oemcomputer> <052401c12138$0fd9c620$043442cf@sank1> <001401c1213c$8dfb5e20$769c42d8@idirect.com> Message-ID: <056901c1213f$4cf586a0$043442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, the service bulletin for the gear upgrade does not include serial numbers affected, as it covers several models. Most of the MR-1's I service are older, so I have no personal handle on the approximate serial number of the transition. But, I'd guess that the serial # you mention is likely to be post-gearmod. Not at all certain, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio / MR-1 > Many Thanx to Stephen and all others who shared their thoughts both through > NakTalk and directly to me on the Pro Audio topic. > > One question re the MR-1: Is it possible to tell by a serial number if it > has the idler or gear system? I am looking at one with the SN: A12812449 > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 03:59:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:59:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> <3B733A53.A31CF9C2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B733FEF.4346C86@concentric.net> I renovated my listening room some time ago, doing all the right stuff, as far as building the ceiling and walls. However, I succumbed to pressure and did not use acoustic wall paper (on the theory that it may not do much for me anyway). I took into account that some acoustic treatment will be added later. The result was a serious improvement in bass performance. However, the room is now FAR too live at mid and high frequencies, hurting resolution and staging. For the time being, I am considering adding an equalizer. I looked at the Rane web site and it looks like they make a model that should meet my needs. I haven't had the chance to listen to their products yet. I'm wondering how good their equipment sounds. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > I've never been very impressed with the build quality of the Rane gear. > What exactly do you plan to use the eq for? > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > Jim, are you familiar with the Rane equalizers, especially > > those designed for home theater? If so, what do you think? > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > > > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > > > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > > > with high resoluction music systems. > > > > > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > > > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > > > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > > > > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > > > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > > > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > > > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > > > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > > > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > > > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > > > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > > > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > > > > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds their new > > > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a digital eq > > > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? I > > > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on the > > > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free to > > > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 04:02:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:02:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <057701c12140$94cbeae0$043442cf@sank1> I've been servicing a Denon dealer here for over four years, and I can tell you with substantial authority that Denon's receivers are now among the least reliable, even compared to Sony, Pioneer, etc. Each of the last few years has produced a large increase in failure numbers. They have become absolutely unacceptable crap. This is not pertenent to their pre-procs & power amps, which have not yet seemed to suffer. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems > > Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon > receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable > to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market > competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I > own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but > their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead > of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. > > I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 > and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these > highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- > again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as > the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. > > As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' > (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific > sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the > Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that > this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has > just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I've got to take exception here. > > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > a hooker with open sores" list. > > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > list, but in there. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > RE1 > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > decent > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > HT > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > power, I > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > AV > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > Nak > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > lately > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > updating > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > audio > > > > > via > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > this > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > 1 > > > for > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > one > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > offline > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 05:38:26 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:38:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Using grease instead of heatsink compound References: <47.f2dacbf.28a38355@aol.com> <3B729735.9EE54D1A@yahoo.com> <3B732B8A.E5E500A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B735731.F2CCD2B6@yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Ron I'll stay with the grease. I have been challenging myself lately by doing a ground up restoration of a poor old Scott 342 receiver that no one in his right mind would restore. It was retrieved from what I'm beginning to think was a sunken ship. All of the emitter wires on the gold lead transistors are rusted to pure dust (galvanic action I'm told) The poor thing died running! I will of course resurrect it. See Ya Javier Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > As some of you may know, my main hobby is > > restoring REASONABLY priced old audio gear. > > Occasionally I run into a beast that has grease > > on the outputs instead of heatsink compound. I was wondering if > > there's a thermal or chemical difference between > > the two relevant to transistors and heatsinks. > > Naturally if grease does the job, why spend the > > extra cash on expensive heatsink compound. > > Any ideas? > > Yes. Don't do it!!! > > Thermal compound is made to be an isolator while grease can > cause leakage -- especially if impregnated with Molybdenum > or other metal. Thermal compound is made to be a thermal > conductor while grease is not. > > Thermal compound is widely available (even RS carry it). > While > more expensive than grease, it doesn't cost enough to > matter. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 05:47:51 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:47:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny References: <001a01c1203e$738bfda0$6f9c42d8@idirect.com> <3B71AE0E.210F0A47@earthlink.net> <031301c1206e$001a4ea0$043442cf@sank1> <3B72820E.A05B2A3@earthlink.net> <004501c120ee$acc9dbe0$5e289bca@smarzuki> <3B72C302.F783DFBB@pacbell.net> <3B7330F8.4B7B596D@concentric.net> <054d01c1213a$9bba9280$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B735967.2F9E7C39@yahoo.com> I'de hate to be the guy who bought those demos. Stephen Sank wrote: > > The secret is plugging the 901 into the wall briefly enough to not melt the > wiring. 901's use pitifully skinny wiring, with all 9 drivers wired in > series, all having 0.9ohm voice coils. So, the wiring & voicecoils act as > resistors, severely limiting the current flow. The sales guy just has to > make sure he's quick enough to beat the overheating & burning of the > "resistor circuit". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] way off topic, but funny > > > > > I am always amazed when a manufacturer manages to > > nullify a law of physics :-) . 220V will develop > > 6000 W across an 8 ohm speaker. In absence of a fuse > > (sometimes, even with a fuse) this will not 'fry' the > > speaker, but 'BLOW' it! > > > > As a student, I used to work for a radio manufacturer, > > aligning radios in the a final manufacturing step. Since > > the speakers were already mounted in enclosures, we > > used an extension speaker mounted in the bench, that > > we plugged into the back of the set. The jack used for > > the speaker was similar to AC outlets (brilliant design). > > > > The tech next to me, by mistake, plugged the radio line > > cord into the back of the radio and the speaker into the > > 220VAC power line. There was one loud 'bang' and the > > unmistakable smell of burned bakelite. The tech cursed for > > 15 minutes straight, then laboriously disassembled the > > speaker from the bench, mounted and rewired a new speaker > > in and returned to work. The very next set to align, he > > repeated the same mistake again and blew the new speakers... > > > > Either speaker took a split second to blow. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > So Jim, what were the fireworks like? A bose nut (my postoffice > counterperson) > > > recently told me that, while a military man stationed in Germany, the > bose rep in > > > Germany plugged a pair of 901 series tinny into the AC and they buzzed > like crazy, but > > > none of the voicecoils opened! Is this a claim to fame in reaching the > pinnacle of > > > audio excellence--or what? Could this guy go postal? Be advised when > postal clerks > > > talk like this, wear your bulletproofvest when making complicated or > lengthy postal > > > transactions!!!!! Certainly supports Stephen's recent never buy list > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > Jim, doesn't mean to be rude, but you were crazy ! > > > > Great story for your grandchildren !! (look at this scar ...) > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I > took > > > > > some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp > to > > > > > hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end > of > > > > > the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in > to?? > > > > > Ahhhh yessss, perfect! > > > > > > > > > > Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea > what > > > > > I was doing??!! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Fri Aug 10 05:56:23 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:56:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers In-Reply-To: <001301c12135$8f1b5140$302f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: if anyone would like a pic of the POLK signature reference system loudspeakers, I can email it to you. send a email direct to me (off list) to: hifisapi at gate.net JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 05:52:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:22:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <011801c1214f$d0c83800$42d60192@vsnl> What were you doing in India - hope not in CIA training camp! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio >Jim, your story on the Crown Amp....and the foolish things we do when we >were young(er), reminds me of when I was living in India in the mid 1970's. > > >Roland > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 06:01:18 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:31:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Sam Dolby B on your CR7 can sound as good as Marc' s. better still use Dolby C. But without Dolby hiss levels may be low not inaudible particularly during silent passages ( Classical music for example). Tape hiss is even Spool tape's problem but with much lower level using higher speeds. Dolby SR is supposed to attend to that problem in professional studio work with Spool tapes! Sony Metal ES tapes got very good reviews in 80's and I have not heard them and with consistant good posting in our forum - worth trying to get ( but at $10 + a piece?) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES >In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > > >Hi Marc, > >"Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all >practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set >levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic >range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest >passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops >to 10 or 12 bits." > >One of the reasons the group I'm working with moved to DAT was to remove >traditional tape hiss associated with cassettes. We also use limiters and >create very clean copies. However, how do you totally remove tape hiss? >Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 06:05:58 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:35:58 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in UK - their website Message-ID: <012701c12151$c31fe700$42d60192@vsnl> http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi_frames.htm Those of you who may need can have a bookmark to this site They sell spare parts and service manuals Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 06:11:26 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:41:26 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <013301c12152$86d49c40$42d60192@vsnl> Scott you remind me of my earlier times with my 582. We make mistakes and find ways to avoid that in future. I made a custom jig to align the guide!!! You are lucky to get a loan from Stephen. Wish your 505 quick recovery Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 >Guys, thanks for your help the RX-505 problems. > >I got the pinch roller assembly off the RX-505 last >night, shaft and all! Re-alignment is going to be a >bitch. > >I tried and tried to get the shaft off the pinch >roller and just couldn't do it. Finally I took all >the rubber/plastic pieces off and held it over an open >flame (stove) and that loosen'd it enough so that I >could get it off. If I had known that before, I could >have used a soldering iron or heat gun to loosen it >and then used a solvent and a thin oil relube it and >not messed up the alignment. > >SJ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 10 06:33:00 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:33:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK MA. I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd relying on Consumers Reports ... To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. One tape that I would still want to put my hands on is TDK MA-EX. It is en-route from Tokyo. I will keep you posted. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: Thu, August 09, 2001 11:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Sam Dolby B on your CR7 can sound as good as Marc' s. better still use Dolby C. But without Dolby hiss levels may be low not inaudible particularly during silent passages ( Classical music for example). Tape hiss is even Spool tape's problem but with much lower level using higher speeds. Dolby SR is supposed to attend to that problem in professional studio work with Spool tapes! Sony Metal ES tapes got very good reviews in 80's and I have not heard them and with consistant good posting in our forum - worth trying to get ( but at $10 + a piece?) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES >In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > > >Hi Marc, > >"Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all >practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set >levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic >range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest >passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops >to 10 or 12 bits." > >One of the reasons the group I'm working with moved to DAT was to remove >traditional tape hiss associated with cassettes. We also use limiters and >create very clean copies. However, how do you totally remove tape hiss? >Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 06:35:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:05:11 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: <014201c12155$d7e60f80$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I agree with Jim on 18 or 20 differing opinions. Better to listen and learn. But few fundementals are same everywhere and worth asking like reliability and general build quality. Group like ours where you find people who appreciate good sound but not the price tag can give you general guidelines. Do not listen to an equipment expecting that to be exactly like the advice you got. Music is above all this and listening is meant to be an experience and joy. I remember " if music be the food of life, play on" The ultimate goal is enjoying your music not bragging about your esoteric equipment or to show off to others how good it looks! I can understand now that different people hear different things and may not match after so many listening sessions with friends. I found that they do not even hear gross distortion ! kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? > >A local support group is an excellent idea. I wish we had one around >here. Perhaps I should start one. I can definitely relate. > >Sam, I've found that if you ask 15 audiophiles a question, you'll get 18 >different answers. If you're hoping to build a consensus, it's probably >not very likely. This is an extremely subjective hobby and the >preferences definitely run the gamut. I would suggest that you get out >and pound the pavement and listen to as much equipment as possible. >Don't let the salesmen dictate what you prefer in sound quality. It's >only through this process that you can buy with confidence. >If they tell you something that sounds fishy, you always have us to fall >back on to get a 2nd (or 18th) opinion. > >Good luck! > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 8/9/2001 6:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, >> jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: >> >> << I haven't heard their stuff yet but it has been getting a lot of good >> press. Having said that, I don't put much faith in reviews anymore. >> Unless of course, the reviewer is someone like Chip Stern. He describes >> sound in terms that make sense and his ear and preferences in sound jibe >> with mine. I read some other reviews and after auditioning the product, >> have to wonder if we both listened to the same product. >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> >> >> Again, thank you. You are the third or forth audiophile that has told me not >> to put much "faith" in reviews anymore. If I can't trust what I read, where >> can I go to learn the "truth" about a product. Finding fist-person >> testimonials is not always easy, although NakTalkers has proven to be a >> wonderful resource for learning more about my ( and this is the very FIRST >> time I've admitted this ) audiophile ( I can't believe I said it! ) hobby. >> >> Yes, I know you all warned me and I appreciate the warnings. However, after >> working in a professional environment, and having to train my ear and listen >> to music at a different level than as a casual listener or former DJ, I am >> being drawn into the "dark side of the force" and finding that I like many of >> the audiophile products. I think I need to go and pray...maybe find a local >> support group. (wink) >> >> -Sam >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 07:10:02 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:10:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <04f801c12136$4d6faec0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B736CAA.6DDEEFA6@earthlink.net> The Behringer gear certainly isn't high end but also it costs far less than the high end digital eqs too. The guys who hang out on rec.audio.pro all work in music industry and need the best tools possible. Of course, since the Behringer costs four times less than their preferred eqs, the build quality suffers. This doesn't make it unreliable. Further more, it is the owners of the production facilities that foot the bill for all this expensive gear. If the engineers who hang out on r.a.p. had to pay for the gear, they would be singing a different song, believe me. Given Sam's questions and the equipment that he has mentioned, I assume that he is looking for a cost effective solution. Besides, I don't know a single person who has had any problems with their Behringer digital eq. Sam, I repeat, if the Behringer fits your needs and budget, you will do far better buying the Behringer over any similarly priced analog eq. Period. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Jim, > If you mention Behringer in any positive context on rec.audio.pro, you will > be guaranteed to start a flame war. Behringer is very low grade build > quality & is almost completely in the business of ripping off competitors, > such as Mackie & Alesis(not that Alesis is good either). I wouldn't trust > anything they made to work more than a year, or even a week. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... > > > > > Sam, > > > > The Z Systems digital eqs are THE eq to own in my opinion. They are used > > in mastering facilities worldwide and are extremely transparent. They > > cost $3000 each, here in the States but are worth every penny, for those > > with high resoluction music systems. > > > > The traditional consumer analog eqs tend to introduce all kinds of phase > > and noise problems into a system. This may or may not be an issue > > depending on the quality of the eq and the rest of the system. > > > > A relatively inexpensive digital eq ($800, I think) that actually works > > quite well is made by Behringer (http//:www.behringer.com). The unit > > also comes with comes with an Real Time Analyzer (RTA) which helps in > > correcting the in-room frequency response. The unit works in the digital > > domain, at 24 bit/96kHz resolution, so noise and phase problems aren't > > an issue. If it fits your budget and requirements, it's definitely worth > > checking out. You should be able to find them in the pro audio > > department of any Guitar Center. Behringer may sell direct if you don't > > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > If I may, I'd like to tag a comment onto this thread. Are any of you > > > familiar with Z-systems and their equipment? My question surrounds > their new > > > digital eq? What is the differences/advantages of implementing a > digital eq > > > like their RDP-1 versus a DBX parametric eq or professional graphic eq? > I > > > first learned of this product as it was voted "Best of 2000" by > > > audiorevolution.com. > > > > > > I guess I need a short course in the "digital" system. (e.g. digital > > > processors, digital front ends, digital eq's, outboard DAC's, separate > > > transport)? I don't know, again I admit I'm new to this arena, but on > the > > > surface just looks like a lot of stuff designed to have you spend money. > > > > > > Can anyone point in the right direction to learn more? And, feel free > to > > > "enlighten" me regarding the usefulness of these components. As always, > > > thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > Here is the link if you're curious about this product: > > > > > > http://www.z-sys.com/cp_rdp1m.html > > > > > > This is the link to it's review: > > > > > > http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/zsystems/index.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 07:19:37 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:19:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> <3B7336CB.2E46114A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B736EE9.930E2B91@earthlink.net> Ron, I would love to put that Denon 5800 up against my $2995 Electrocompaniet ECI-4 integrated amp. I predict that the ECI-4 would eat the Denon for lunch. If you are in the area and would like to find out, let me know when you're available. http://www.electrocompaniet.no/new-header.htm Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > "High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > when driving good speakers." > > > > Ron, what have you been smoking, my friend? hehehe Take a look at > > the December 2000 issue of Stereophile and read what they have to say > > about the Denon AVR-4800 receiver. Their findings match my own. > > Jim, the 4800 is a lower end receiver, that still stands > up well to the competition, but does not presume to match > separates. The 5800, though, will compete with separates > AT THE SAME PRICE RANGE. I never meant to imply it will > match esoteric 2 channel equipment that costs twice as > much. > > -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Fri Aug 10 07:32:36 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:32:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: References: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010810005502.00a46490@mail.mindspring.com> Hi Guys, @ 10 months ago I offered to sell some Sony Metal ES 90 min cassettes that I found on closeout at my cost (3.50/ea ) plus shipping . I got some responses and delivered @ 6-8 tapes. I was puzzled that I did not get a confirming email from some folks who were interested at the time. I thought that I posted to the Naklist to remind folks and just in case my individual emails did not get through. To make a long story short, the tapes are still available with first call going to the folks whose emails I still have that wanted them. Kent Meridth. Joel Eidbo. Sam Barr Brian Miller Jeff Yee Vinod K. If any are left after these folks have the opportunity to respond other naklisters are welcome to them. Send me an email offlist. I apologize for any earlier troubles contacting folks. As I am in the middle of last minute planning for a family reunion don't expect much of a response untill after Aug 20th. Thanks, Stan Pickens At 11:33 PM 8/9/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the >magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK >MA. > >I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed >Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd >relying on Consumers Reports ... > >To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that >tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, >CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do >not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell >MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and >honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 07:31:44 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:31:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> <3B733A53.A31CF9C2@earthlink.net> <3B733FEF.4346C86@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7371C0.BEC619D2@earthlink.net> Ron, one thing that I've learned is that is best to deal with electrical problems electrically and acoustic problems acoustically. I would recommend the addition of a full sized area rug, preferably with thick padding underneath, bookshelves filled with books and LPs, draper and over stuffed furniture to absorb some of the mid and high frequency energy in the room. Also, large objects with curved, hard surfaces can be used to break up flutter echo between parallel surfaces like walls and the ceiling and floor. You can also take some of the room's affects out of the equation by moving the speakers and listening position closer together. I idea here is that you will hear more of the direct sound of the speakers and less of the reflected sound of the room. I would encourage you to experiment with these ideas first before spending money on electronics. You might be surprised at the improvement. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > I renovated my listening room some time ago, doing all > the right stuff, as far as building the ceiling and walls. > However, I succumbed to pressure and did not use acoustic > wall paper (on the theory that it may not do much for me > anyway). I took into account that some acoustic treatment > will be added later. > > The result was a serious improvement in bass performance. > However, the room is now FAR too live at mid and high > frequencies, hurting resolution and staging. For the time > being, I am considering adding an equalizer. I looked at > the Rane web site and it looks like they make a model that > should meet my needs. I haven't had the chance to listen > to their products yet. I'm wondering how good their > equipment sounds. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Aug 10 08:41:35 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:41:35 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems Message-ID: Ron wrote: > > What the music system needs: enough power, DPL and DD > decoders (DTS and EX offshoots will be nice, but not > mandatory) I have to disagree slightly here - DTS sounds much better than Dolby Digital. If you compare same movie having both standards, I'm sure you'll concur. As for DPL (if I understand correctly - Dolby ProLogic) - I'm afraid its remaining use is for VHS (S-VHS) sources only. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 08:41:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:41:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: <7f.187d8d69.28a4dc1f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:03:07 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << A local support group is an excellent idea. I wish we had one around here. Perhaps I should start one. I can definitely relate. Sam, I've found that if you ask 15 audiophiles a question, you'll get 18 different answers. If you're hoping to build a consensus, it's probably not very likely. This is an extremely subjective hobby and the preferences definitely run the gamut. I would suggest that you get out and pound the pavement and listen to as much equipment as possible. Don't let the salesmen dictate what you prefer in sound quality. It's only through this process that you can buy with confidence. If they tell you something that sounds fishy, you always have us to fall back on to get a 2nd (or 18th) opinion. Good luck! Jim Volpatti >> Very true. Good solid advice, thank you Jim, -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 08:43:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:43:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << > 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there any > sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? I am no sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? -- Ron >> Thanks Ron. The last question is regarding setting my power amplifier to class"A" versus using "AB" while recording. I don't believe there are any sonic advantages, but thought I'd ask just in case there are. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 08:44:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:44:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? Message-ID: <73.11427198.28a4dcb1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << So true, so very true!!! Words of wisdom Sam. Building a system reminds me of when we built our house. It's a log home, and there are some that believe they have the *only* way to do it. Brian Miller Michigan >> cool! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 08:45:28 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:45:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... Message-ID: <11c.2ead668.28a4dd08@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:18:53 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Behringer may sell direct if you don't have a local dealer but I'm not sure. Let us know if you have any other questions. Jim Volpatti >> Thank you Jim. Yes, from what I've read the Z-System eq is the way to go. But don't you need a separate digital processor to use it? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 08:46:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:46:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:33:43 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Good luck! Jim Volpatti >> Thanks! I'll look for them. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I made a custom jig to align the guide!!! > You are lucky to get a loan from Stephen. > Wish your 505 quick recovery > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I agree that their Power Balance series was crap but none of the local sound reinforcement companies who used the Micro and Macro stuff ever had any problems with them. As a matter of fact, they still use them today despite the fact that the amp racks have been beat to crap on the rock n roll circuits. Come to think of it, my Crown PS-400 didn't even have fans at all and never even got warm. Except for that time that I TRIED to blow it up. You see, Crown has a no fault three year warrantee. I could have thrown the amp from the top of the Empire State Building and they would have replaced it. My friend, who was the head technician at the repair shop I used to work at, way back when, suggested that I buy a Crown, "you'll never have to buy another amp." Since we were an authorized Crown warrantee repair station (and they NEVER came in for warrantee work either) I got a special deal on mine. They also through in an additional 3 year warrantee for a total of six years. Well, I decided that I was going to take my friend up on his challenge of blowing up the amp. I put it on the test bench, hooked up some 4 ohm loads and fed it a 15 kHz square wave, at 2/3 power for three days and it never shut down. I then turned it up to rated power (250 wpc) at the same frequency and let it sit for another day or two. Again, no problem. Then I turned it up so that it went into continuous hard clipping. This time, it went into protect mode after about 10 minutes. As soon as the heat sinks cooled, it came back to life but still no problems. I was determined to blow this thing up so I brought it, the loads and signal generator home. Once home, I decided that instead of a load at the output, I would let it drive an open circuit for awhile. Again no problem. So I decided, screw it, I'm going to short the outputs with the output section in hard clipping. Again, it just went into protect until a minute later. I swear, the amp was sneering at me! I walked away very frustrated but not defeated. I woke up in the middle of the night with a great idea. What if I took some zip cord, tied it to the speaker binding posts, drive the amp to hard clipping with a 15 kHz square wave and then took the other end of the wire and stuck it in the wall sock that the amp was plugged in to?? Ahhhh yessss, perfect! Oh, by the way. did I mention that I was 18 at the time and NO idea what I was doing??!! Well, anyway, here I am in my bathrobe in my living room at 3 in the morning, possessed by the idea of blowing this damn thing up. I stripped some insulation off the ends of the zip cord, hooked everything up, turned up the amp and generator and then stuck the ends of the wire in the socket of the outlet directly below the one the amp was plugged in to. What ensued next was the loaded explosion and highest voltage AC jolt I've ever experienced. I was literally thrown into the wall behind me. I laid there for a minute or so, trying to regain my wits. After I found my balance and was able to stand, I figured that I better figure out where that explosion came from. Aside from the burnt plastic AC outlet cover and plug, everything seemed OK in the living room. I thought to myself, "uh oh, what about the distribution panel down stairs in the basement??" Just as I reached the stairs my 65 year old Chinese landlord who lived upstairs flew past me down the stairs screaming lord knows what in Cantonese. As I reached the bottom of the stairs, in the basement, I understood why, There, laying on the floor, bent in half, 50' from the distro panel, was the metal distro panel cover. It seems that I blew the hell out of the panel. I fried both the main breakers and the breaker for the circuit that the amp was plugged into. There was melted plastic, bare wire and and smoke coming from the panel. My landlord was irate, pointing her finger at me, yelling probably the foulest Cantonese since she KNEW this was MY fault. Well, I couldn't tell a lie. I paid an electrician close to $800 to repair the panel and guess what. I plugged the amp back in after all of this and it still works to this day. Cheers! Jim Volpatti P.S. Do NOT try this at home! Stephen Sank wrote: > > I agree that specific recommendations can't be made without more specifics > on the nature of the installation(and the budget), but I can add a bit of > info. > While Mackie's are usually reliable & decent sounding, I consider Yamaha to > be much better for mixers, in terms of reliability, sound & ease of service. > Tascam boards are generally a huge pain in the neck to work on & are less > reliable, in my experience than Yamaha. Regardless of budget & application, > it's hard to go wrong with a Yamaha. > On power amps, I would NOT recommend Crown. They are seriously overpriced, > don't sound all that great & if the fan dies, or airflow is otherwise > restricted, they tend to go up in flames. WAY too little heatsinking for > the power output. QSC's are OK, but not quite top notch on reliability or > sound. Assuming that even old McIntosh solid state amps are out of the > question(but which would be the best choice, for sure), the pro line of > Hafler amps are both extremely reliable & quite good sounding. > I'm a ribbon mic guy, so it's tough for me to recommend ANY dynamic mic, but > one of the LAST brands I would consider good is EV. I'd much sooner > recommend Shure SM-58 or SM-57, or any Beyer above $150 retail price. > Sennheisers just don't sound good to me, and tend to be overpriced. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 10:30:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:30:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Have you heard of these guys before? References: <7f.187d8d69.28a4dc1f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B739B9F.7D111AF7@earthlink.net> Anytime, Sam. = ) SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:03:07 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << > A local support group is an excellent idea. I wish we had one around > here. Perhaps I should start one. I can definitely relate. > > Sam, I've found that if you ask 15 audiophiles a question, you'll get 18 > different answers. If you're hoping to build a consensus, it's probably > not very likely. This is an extremely subjective hobby and the > preferences definitely run the gamut. I would suggest that you get out > and pound the pavement and listen to as much equipment as possible. > Don't let the salesmen dictate what you prefer in sound quality. It's > only through this process that you can buy with confidence. > If they tell you something that sounds fishy, you always have us to fall > back on to get a 2nd (or 18th) opinion. > > Good luck! > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Very true. Good solid advice, thank you Jim, > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 10:32:41 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:32:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <11c.2ead668.28a4dd08@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B739C29.13EF7@earthlink.net> If I'm not mistaken Sam, Z-Systems offers the EQ with an internal ADC and DAC as well as digital ins and outs. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:18:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Behringer may sell direct if you don't > have a local dealer but I'm not sure. > > Let us know if you have any other questions. > > Jim Volpatti >> > Thank you Jim. Yes, from what I've read the Z-System eq is the way to go. > But don't you need a separate digital processor to use it? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 10:38:05 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:38:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT s... References: Message-ID: <3B739D6D.28FF8E24@earthlink.net> Sam, My shop specializes mainly in two channel music systems but we do multi-channel amplifier and center and rear channel speaker sales and consultations from time to time. I really don't have much experience with budget oriented home theater receivers though. Perhaps someone else can answer Sam's question. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 4:44:20 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << (Jim Volpatti) > Sender: >> > > Hi Jim, > > What's your opinion of the Yamaha RX-V1? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 10 13:44:13 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:14:13 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <002d01c12191$c7cf2320$42d60192@vsnl> Salim This guide block is based on what it is supposed to do ( also based on the gage as per service manual) I took a piece of steel and gave it to a machine shop for making a cassette like piece with one edge as one face making it as tape inside edge point. >From the back of this steel plate ( reperesenting cassette back face) I made measurements to fix the other face exactly fixing the tape edge beginning - I think it is 3 mm thickness at the bottom half of this steel plate for aligning. You can even take the entire steel plate ( or a plastic sheet of ) as this thickness and make it. remember that the face should be parellel. The spool drive areas are plain holes without affecting the funcion. I used a long square piece of machined plastic of 4 mm thick ( 10 mm wide and about 70mm long ) to place it on the surface of this steel piece to fix the guide block location by pressing the stick and projecting it on to the guide portion. This 4 mm represents the tape width ( now I know it is approx 3.8x mm !!). Using this piece over the face of this jig; I adjusted the guide block on both sides. Since this may not be as accurate as the actual gauge; but it works fine as guide gaps are more than the tape width on 582. I also made fine adjustments to get the tape correctly to travel over the Erase head properly. The point is that both guides are now parellel to tape travel and at the approximate center of cassette and that needs atleast a crude jig like this. Infact my 582 works fine without anty problem and I could even make the recording part work fine. Since my son is using this for only playback I never bothered to work at present on this machine. The tilt is adjusted assuming that the tilt screws ( all the three are almost exact in length) Screw them fully inside without the central adjusting gear piece. Fix the central gear and screw that in opposite direction to get the head back to approximate central position. I also use one half of cassette shell with a cardboard spacer of 1.8mm kept over the inner face. I adjust the head side face to fully sit on this spacer face taking care that it is parellel to cassette inner face at the head location. This method I found slightly off from actuall tilt gauge but without spending a fortune. Use a good cassette shell to do this! If you are mechanical jig/ gauge designer you can do better than this may be at half the cost of Nak gauges. But without the 1 Khz track alignment tape the above are useless. I have not made any sketches but I hope you follow my rather sketchy descriptions Good luck Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > >Hi Kannan ... care to share design of this custom guide and tilt jig ? :-) >:-) :-) > >SM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kannan. S" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:11 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 > > >> Scott you remind me of my earlier times with my 582. We make mistakes and >> find ways to avoid that in future. I made a custom jig to align the >guide!!! >> You are lucky to get a loan from Stephen. >> Wish your 505 quick recovery >> Kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Johnson > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 10 14:58:22 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:58:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> <4.2.2.20010810005502.00a46490@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <00b001c1219c$26b20420$11031fac@brianm> I must apologize to Marc Stager, I beilieve it was Marc. He recently sent a message stating that he offered Sony ES tapes to NakTalkers in the past. I confussed his offer with the one Stanley offered and I replied with the following message: "I was one that desired them. When they came in, I asked you if you knew of another buyer for mine to go ahead and sell them, if not I would purchase them, I never heard back from you. I didn't want to leave you stuck with tapes you ordered and didn't want." Stanley, the same still goes, if someone else would like the two you graciously reserved for me, feel free to pass them on. If not, please let me know and I will get the money to you ASAP. Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > Hi Guys, > > @ 10 months ago I offered to sell some Sony Metal ES 90 min cassettes that > I found on closeout at my cost (3.50/ea ) plus shipping . I got some > responses and delivered @ 6-8 tapes. I was puzzled that I did not get a > confirming email from some folks who were interested at the time. I thought > that I posted to the Naklist to remind folks and just in case my individual > emails did not get through. To make a long story short, the tapes are still > available with first call going to the folks whose emails I still have that > wanted them. > > Kent Meridth. > Joel Eidbo. > Sam Barr > Brian Miller > Jeff Yee > Vinod K. > > If any are left after these folks have the opportunity to respond other > naklisters are welcome to them. Send me an email offlist. > > I apologize for any earlier troubles contacting folks. > > As I am in the middle of last minute planning for a family reunion don't > expect much of a response untill after Aug 20th. > > Thanks, > > Stan Pickens > > > > > > At 11:33 PM 8/9/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the > >magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK > >MA. > > > >I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed > >Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd > >relying on Consumers Reports ... > > > >To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that > >tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, > >CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do > >not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell > >MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and > >honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Fri Aug 10 18:54:24 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:54:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: Message-ID: <002d01c121bd$1c8fb480$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> A differing viewpoint: many of my customers are just starting out in audio, If funds are an issue, I recommend that they get better speakers, better DVD player (arcam or marantz dvd right now), and a USED Pro Logic receiver, often for under $100.... to shortchange speakers/subs you lose way to much when you upgrade. Often this approach leads to a DTS or DD receiver purchase, while still being able to afford entry level home theater, and more importantly, having equipment that you won't be throwing away in a year. P.S. FWIW, lots of receiver power is only needed if you don't use active subs(strictly a HT system) Subjectively, my 65 wpc yamaha DPL with 2 15" active subs and 5 small speakers sounds much louder than my friends 100+ watt system with a mishmash of speakers and small subs. erie > Ron wrote: > > > > What the music system needs: enough power, DPL and DD > > decoders (DTS and EX offshoots will be nice, but not > > mandatory) > > I have to disagree slightly here - DTS sounds much better than Dolby > Digital. If you compare same movie having both standards, I'm sure you'll > concur. As for DPL (if I understand correctly - Dolby ProLogic) - I'm afraid > its remaining use is for VHS (S-VHS) sources only. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Fri Aug 10 17:28:45 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:28:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: References: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810110436.00aa6cf0@mail.verizon.net> Stan, I'm not impressed by hype. Consumers Reports may sometimes be off-target in some of their reviews of audio gear - after all, they are not geared to the "golden ears" crowd over at "Absolute Sound" or "Stereophile" (now THAT's where you'll find a mountain of hype!). Their cassette tests were done in a scientific fashion, judging distortion, build quality, MOL, etc. Also, in a similar and very extensive report in Audio Magazine, Sony Metal ES also came out on top. It is, simply put, the finest cassette tape money can buy. Why? It is capable, on a machine properly biased and eq'd, of giving you a recording with a higher level of audio - way into 15K and above, with distortion levels rivaling reel-to- reel tape. A lot of undue importance is given on the Nak list to frequency response. By underbiasing you can easily achieve a response flat to 15K on the most mediocre machine but the distortion level % will be deep in double digits. The slow running speed and tiny track width of cassette tapes make it nearly impossible to get the kind of low distortion easily achieved in a 15 IPS two track deck, particularly at the highest frequencies. That is why test tapes are recorded at - 20 db levels. I said nearly... with a cassette like the Sony Metal ES, maybe with a touch of overbias, it can be done. And at lower levels, the harmonic distortion is -- not there. The transparency and accuracy to the original using a high quality machine like a Nakamichi is remarkable. Simply put, this tape sounds incredible. And that's no hype. _______________________________________ Marc Stager ===================================================== At 8/10/01, you wrote: >I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the >magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK >MA. > >I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed >Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd >relying on Consumers Reports ... > >To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that >tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, >CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do >not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell >MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and >honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. > >One tape that I would still want to put my hands on is TDK MA-EX. It is >en-route from Tokyo. I will keep you posted. > >Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Fri Aug 10 17:54:04 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:54:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <24.17782fc8.28a42b0c@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810113949.00a74d90@mail.verizon.net> Sam: re: Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? It is inherent in any analogue tape medium, except where it has been reduced to inaudible levels on high speed half-inch or even one inch mastering machines. and multitrack tracking decks using Dolby SR. With cassettes I find that Dolby noise reduction achieves an acceptable level of tape hiss, too low to be of any consequence on all but the quietest musical passages. And compared to recording digitally, which I've done on many occasions, I find the sound of music is more natural and satisfying and any trace amounts of tape hiss from the cassette - that is, a good quality metal tape recorded at a robust level, are completely benign. The superiority of analogue recording is primarily audible on high drums, string sections, female vocals and sibilants in speech and singing. A lot of engineers feel this way, which is why, despite the digital push, most studios continue make their most valuable master tapes on Studer analogue tape decks. The reduction to digital for the CD master is the last step in the process. ______________________________ Marc Stager ======================================== At 8/9/01, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > ><< Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all > practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set > levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic > range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest > passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops > to 10 or 12 bits. >> > >Hi Marc, > >"Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all >practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set >levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic >range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest >passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops >to 10 or 12 bits." > >One of the reasons the group I'm working with moved to DAT was to remove >traditional tape hiss associated with cassettes. We also use limiters and >create very clean copies. However, how do you totally remove tape hiss? >Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 17:57:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:57:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> <057701c12140$94cbeae0$043442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B740450.D132927B@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I've been servicing a Denon dealer here for over four years, and I can tell > you with substantial authority that Denon's receivers are now among the > least reliable, even compared to Sony, Pioneer, etc. Each of the last few > years has produced a large increase in failure numbers. They have become > absolutely unacceptable crap. Again, comparing apples to apples, *everybody's* reliability has dropped dramatically in the past few years, as the competition on the commodity products (which is what run-of-the-mill HT has become) has heated up. Based on people's responses on web sites, NGs and CR, Denon reliability is Comparable to Pioneer, Marantz, etc. Sony has deteriorated to unacceptability (their 'standard' warranty is now 90 days, including for such equipment as their flagship $1000 SVHS VCR). Toshiba reliability has dropped all the way from 'excellent' to 'garbage' in the past 5 - 8 years. > This is not pertenent to their pre-procs & power amps, which have not yet > seemed to suffer. Ah... But this is what I was talking about, except that I include such models as the 5600, 5700 and now the 5800. Specifically, I was talking about the AVP-8000: G-10 PCBs well laid out, with lots of shielding, copper plated chassis, high quality components, premium OP amp ICs, well thought out signal flow, etc. POA-8200/8300: modular construction, completely discrete design, good component quality, etc.. Of several people I know that own these units, none has had a problem, same as myself. (Rather small statistical sample, but zero problems does mean something). Again, there is no question that, if you compare Denon to ReVox, the latter will fare better, even though they had their own problem areas. To be meaningful, we have to compare similar cost and market niches. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon > > receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable > > to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market > > competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I > > own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but > > their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead > > of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. > > > > I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 > > and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these > > highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- > > again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as > > the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. > > > > As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' > > (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific > > sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the > > Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that > > this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has > > just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I've got to take exception here. > > > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > receivers, > > > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for > more > > > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > like > > > a hooker with open sores" list. > > > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid > " > > > list, but in there. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using > Nak > > > RE1 > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > plus > > > > decent > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better > for > > > > HT > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > movie > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre > / > > > > power, I > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass > brand > > > > AV > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with > old > > > > Nak > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > lately > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > contemplating > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > two-channel > > > > audio > > > > > > via > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom > of > > > > this > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems > (e.g. > > > 1 > > > > for > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two > into > > > > one > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact > me > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Fri Aug 10 18:07:00 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:07:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810110436.00aa6cf0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Marc - thank you very your answer. I wonder what tape other members of this list would consider to be the best audio cassette? I agree with your points, especially the one that using under-biasing, etc. you can get good high frequency response, at the cost of distortion using almost any tape and any deck. I do not have [experience with] SONY Metal ES. I have experience with the SONY Metal Master which I understand was the step up in their line, (Metal Cassette shell, perhaps the same tape?), and will admit that this is an excellent tape. What I would like to challenge though is the statement that this is the best tape money can buy. I still claim, that Maxell MX-S or TDK MA-XG, FUJI Z-Metal, can give you similar results, especially on a good Nak deck. I feel that TDK MA has an excellent, very neutral tape - I challenge the build quality of the shell ... According to my friend who lives in Japan, TDK MA-EX currently has the highest ratings by local experts. The worst part is that these tapes are becoming unavailable. I think only TDK MA is still in production for the non-Japanese market. If you look at TDK, Maxell, or Sony's web sites, you will not find anything other than mainstream tapes like XL-II, SA, D, HF, etc. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Fri, August 10, 2001 10:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Stan, I'm not impressed by hype. Consumers Reports may sometimes be off-target in some of their reviews of audio gear - after all, they are not geared to the "golden ears" crowd over at "Absolute Sound" or "Stereophile" (now THAT's where you'll find a mountain of hype!). Their cassette tests were done in a scientific fashion, judging distortion, build quality, MOL, etc. Also, in a similar and very extensive report in Audio Magazine, Sony Metal ES also came out on top. It is, simply put, the finest cassette tape money can buy. Why? It is capable, on a machine properly biased and eq'd, of giving you a recording with a higher level of audio - way into 15K and above, with distortion levels rivaling reel-to- reel tape. A lot of undue importance is given on the Nak list to frequency response. By underbiasing you can easily achieve a response flat to 15K on the most mediocre machine but the distortion level % will be deep in double digits. The slow running speed and tiny track width of cassette tapes make it nearly impossible to get the kind of low distortion easily achieved in a 15 IPS two track deck, particularly at the highest frequencies. That is why test tapes are recorded at - 20 db levels. I said nearly... with a cassette like the Sony Metal ES, maybe with a touch of overbias, it can be done. And at lower levels, the harmonic distortion is -- not there. The transparency and accuracy to the original using a high quality machine like a Nakamichi is remarkable. Simply put, this tape sounds incredible. And that's no hype. _______________________________________ Marc Stager ===================================================== At 8/10/01, you wrote: >I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the >magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK >MA. > >I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed >Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd >relying on Consumers Reports ... > >To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that >tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, >CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do >not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell >MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and >honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. > >One tape that I would still want to put my hands on is TDK MA-EX. It is >en-route from Tokyo. I will keep you posted. > >Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Fri Aug 10 18:26:18 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:26:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <3B72E8A4.F32C526F@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810120809.00a5f870@mail.verizon.net> At 8/9/01, you wrote: >Hi Marc, > >I want to make sure that I understand you. Are you saying that a Sony >TC5, using Dolby B and Sony ES tape, comes incredibly close to a Studer >1/2" full track deck running at 30 ips?? If so, and I certainly mean no >disrespect, I would have to hear it to believe it. > >Have you had the opportunity to compare the two side by side? > >Jim Volpatti No- not side by side, but I've heard many a Studer mastering machine. That said, the Sony cassette was a first generation tape, and the Studers were mixes from 24 track session tapes. The transparency of the live tapes was remarkably good, as, of course as you might expect, was also the case from the Studers. However, the half inch tapes followed considerable cabling and processing so the cards were stacked in favor of the little Sony. Side by side I'm sure the mastering deck would sound nicer than the Sony portable, but the Sony TC5/Metal ES combination is amazingly good. When Peggy Lee was at the New York Hilton in 1992 for a month-long engagement I used the Sony TCD5M to record several of her shows. I was doing her live mix at the time and took a feed directly from the board. I recently played some of those tapes for Mark Levinson at his store, Red Rose Music, on the Upper East Side and he was amazed at how good hey sounded - and these tapes are nine years old. He has a half inch Studer there and is set up for recording a Steinway grand in the store. Maybe one day we can actually make a side by side comparison. I bet the difference will be very small, primarily in the noise level, not the sound quality. __________________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 18:27:23 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:27:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> <3B7336CB.2E46114A@concentric.net> <3B736EE9.930E2B91@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B740B6B.EAD48774@concentric.net> Jim, You will get no argument from me, even though I haven't heard the ECI-4. You are pitting a full fledged HT receiver with an elaborate Pre/Pro (DLP, DD, DTS, all with latest decoder upgrades) and 5 power amp channels, against an integrated amp, that costs more or less the same. It'd *better* be better, sound better and last longer... By the same token, my 5 channels of Aragon 8008 power amplification cost $4500. Of course, they are built better and sound better than the 5800 power amps that costs much less. Otherwise, why would I pay for them, plus a Denon pre/pro (that also costs more than the 5800 receiver)? To be meaningful, any equipment comparisons we make, must be on an equal basis. The products must address the same market niche and cost in the same ball park. Saying that a Rolls-Royce or Bentley is better than a Caddilac is meaningless -- of course, it's better. But comparing those cars to a Mercedes Benz 560 does make sense. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, > > I would love to put that Denon 5800 up against my $2995 Electrocompaniet > ECI-4 integrated amp. I predict that the ECI-4 would eat the Denon for > lunch. If you are in the area and would like to find out, let me know > when you're available. > > http://www.electrocompaniet.no/new-header.htm > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > "High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > when driving good speakers." > > > > > > Ron, what have you been smoking, my friend? hehehe Take a look at > > > the December 2000 issue of Stereophile and read what they have to say > > > about the Denon AVR-4800 receiver. Their findings match my own. > > > > Jim, the 4800 is a lower end receiver, that still stands > > up well to the competition, but does not presume to match > > separates. The 5800, though, will compete with separates > > AT THE SAME PRICE RANGE. I never meant to imply it will > > match esoteric 2 channel equipment that costs twice as > > much. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 18:45:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:45:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> <3B733A53.A31CF9C2@earthlink.net> <3B733FEF.4346C86@concentric.net> <3B7371C0.BEC619D2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B740FA2.A8313432@concentric.net> Thanks, Jim. I fully agree with your comments and have actually acted on them already. I installed the heaviest rug I could find (80 oz), on the heaviest padding, over most of the floor (exception: a strip of flagstones, on which the speakers and equipment sit). There are 2 sofas and a large self-designed media wall unit, whose upper portion contains books, binders, DVDs and cassette boxes. Moving the speakers and/or the listening position are not an option, as I am sharing my living quarters with a partner that cares not about sound or picture quality... Also, there are factors outside my control, such as two large plate glass windows and a large opening to the house. I also agree that dealing with a problem at the source (in this case, acoustically) promises a better chance of success. To deal with this problem acoustically, I intend to experiment with some corner diffusers behind the speakers and some absorbing panels to deaden the speaker side of the room. Acoustic tuning of the room will be time consuming and is a future project. Meanwhile, I was hoping that a good equalizer will allow me to tame the room, at least to some degree. Again, thanks for your response, -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, one thing that I've learned is that is best to deal with electrical > problems electrically and acoustic problems acoustically. > > I would recommend the addition of a full sized area rug, preferably with > thick padding underneath, bookshelves filled with books and LPs, draper > and over stuffed furniture to absorb some of the mid and high frequency > energy in the room. Also, large objects with curved, hard surfaces can > be used to break up flutter echo between parallel surfaces like walls > and the ceiling and floor. > > You can also take some of the room's affects out of the equation by > moving the speakers and listening position closer together. I idea here > is that you will hear more of the direct sound of the speakers and less > of the reflected sound of the room. > > I would encourage you to experiment with these ideas first before > spending money on electronics. You might be surprised at the > improvement. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > I renovated my listening room some time ago, doing all > > the right stuff, as far as building the ceiling and walls. > > However, I succumbed to pressure and did not use acoustic > > wall paper (on the theory that it may not do much for me > > anyway). I took into account that some acoustic treatment > > will be added later. > > > > The result was a serious improvement in bass performance. > > However, the room is now FAR too live at mid and high > > frequencies, hurting resolution and staging. For the time > > being, I am considering adding an equalizer. I looked at > > the Rane web site and it looks like they make a model that > > should meet my needs. I haven't had the chance to listen > > to their products yet. I'm wondering how good their > > equipment sounds. > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 18:56:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:56:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems References: Message-ID: <3B74124A.59DEF1B8@concentric.net> George Valkov wrote: > > Ron wrote: > > > > What the music system needs: enough power, DPL and DD > > decoders (DTS and EX offshoots will be nice, but not > > mandatory) > > I have to disagree slightly here - DTS sounds much better than Dolby > Digital. If you compare same movie having both standards, I'm sure you'll > concur. As for DPL (if I understand correctly - Dolby ProLogic) - I'm afraid > its remaining use is for VHS (S-VHS) sources only. > > George Sound quality of DTS vs. DD is a hot, contentious, subject right now. While you may be quite right, DTS is *not* a mandatory part of the DVD spec, and thus, not essential (you won't miss a single movie without it). DTS S/W selection is quite limited. It comes 'for free' in most equipment nowadays, but I wouldn't pay extra for it. DPL is essential for LD collectors, as well. There are literally thousands of great movies that offer nothing else, even on DVDs, so I'd say it *is* mandatory. Also, you can't buy equipment that doesn't support it. DPL has just been given a new lease on life, in the form of DPL II, that offers decoding improvement to all existing DPL tracks. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 10 18:59:20 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:59:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: <011801c1214f$d0c83800$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: What were you doing in India - hope not in CIA training camp! Kannan -------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately the CIA wouldn't accept 14 year olds (especially stupid CTC sniffing ones) in their camps at the time. Actually, I was there with my family doing religious volunteer work at the time. Spent 5 very HOT years there from 1975 - 1980. Many days were up around the 120 F. mark with heavy humidity.................VERY bad for tapes. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 19:00:07 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:00:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question References: Message-ID: <3B741317.8FF7178F@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << > 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there > any > > sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? > > I am no sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? > > -- Ron > >> > > Thanks Ron. The last question is regarding setting my power amplifier to > class"A" versus using "AB" while recording. I don't believe there are any > sonic advantages, but thought I'd ask just in case there are. > > -Sam There may be sonic advantages, but they do not pertain to the recording. Meaning, the monitored sound could be better, but the recording will be the same at either setting. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 10 19:35:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:35:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question References: <3B741317.8FF7178F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002801c121c2$d3055a80$5b289bca@smarzuki> Sam, class A and AB switch is only for the power amp section, not on preamp section and not on phono stage either. Tape recording usually switched direct (except phono of course), so that switch won't affect recording process. BTW what is your amp rating in class A ? Does amp get insanely hot in that mode ? I also use one marantz integrated which has this class switching and all that heatsink's clink clank sounds like its gonna blow in ten minutes in class A mode. Bias set is okay though. Best regards, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 3:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << > 4. Finally, since my amplifier is used to drive the speakers are there > > any > > > sonic advantages for using class "A" amplification while recording? > > > > I am no sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Thanks Ron. The last question is regarding setting my power amplifier to > > class"A" versus using "AB" while recording. I don't believe there are any > > sonic advantages, but thought I'd ask just in case there are. > > > > -Sam > > There may be sonic advantages, but they do not pertain to > the recording. Meaning, the monitored sound could be better, > but the recording will be the same at either setting. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Aug 10 20:02:17 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:02:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel& HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> <057701c12140$94cbeae0$043442cf@sank1> <3B740450.D132927B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B74219C.51DA2E9F@pacbell.net> Did I hear 90 day warranty? Is this pathetic warranty a tool for megastores to sell their extended warranties, or a smart move for manufacturers who have no confidence in product reliability. For the sake of comparison, what is Nakamichi's warranty length? Ron wrote: > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I've been servicing a Denon dealer here for over four years, and I can tell > > you with substantial authority that Denon's receivers are now among the > > least reliable, even compared to Sony, Pioneer, etc. Each of the last few > > years has produced a large increase in failure numbers. They have become > > absolutely unacceptable crap. > > Again, comparing apples to apples, *everybody's* > reliability has dropped dramatically in the past few years, > as the competition on the commodity products (which is what > run-of-the-mill HT has become) has heated up. Based on > people's responses on web sites, NGs and CR, Denon > reliability is Comparable to Pioneer, Marantz, etc. Sony > has deteriorated to unacceptability (their 'standard' > warranty is now 90 days, including for such equipment as > their flagship $1000 SVHS VCR). Toshiba reliability has > dropped all the way from 'excellent' to 'garbage' in the > past 5 - 8 years. > > > This is not pertenent to their pre-procs & power amps, which have not yet > > seemed to suffer. > > Ah... But this is what I was talking about, except that I > include such models as the 5600, 5700 and now the 5800. > > Specifically, I was talking about the AVP-8000: G-10 PCBs > well laid out, with lots of shielding, copper plated > chassis, > high quality components, premium OP amp ICs, well thought > out > signal flow, etc. > > POA-8200/8300: modular construction, completely discrete > design, good component quality, etc.. Of several people I > know that own these units, none has had a problem, same as > myself. (Rather small statistical sample, but zero problems > does mean something). > > Again, there is no question that, if you compare Denon to > ReVox, the latter will fare better, even though they had > their own problem areas. To be meaningful, we have to > compare similar cost and market niches. > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon > > > receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable > > > to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market > > > competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I > > > own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but > > > their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead > > > of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. > > > > > > I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 > > > and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these > > > highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- > > > again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as > > > the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. > > > > > > As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' > > > (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific > > > sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the > > > Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that > > > this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has > > > just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I've got to take exception here. > > > > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > receivers, > > > > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for > > more > > > > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > like > > > > a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid > > " > > > > list, but in there. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using > > Nak > > > > RE1 > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > > plus > > > > > decent > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better > > for > > > > > HT > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > > movie > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre > > / > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass > > brand > > > > > AV > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with > > old > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > lately > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > contemplating > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > two-channel > > > > > audio > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems > > (e.g. > > > > 1 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two > > into > > > > > one > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact > > me > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Aug 10 20:05:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:05:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] off topic inquiry References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010810120809.00a5f870@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3B74225C.CF5DF73F@pacbell.net> Has anybody had any experience with Dokorder r-r or any of their other products? I have a chance to buy a mint r-r for $20.00. Thanks Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Fri Aug 10 20:09:50 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:09:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA cassettes References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <3B7303A3.1D4A2C40@earthlink.net> <3B7336CB.2E46114A@concentric.net> <3B736EE9.930E2B91@earthlink.net> <3B740B6B.EAD48774@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B742361.92B07E02@pacbell.net> A post was recently made that Costco had TDK MA's that were made in Japan. Has anybody purchased/tried them out yet. Thank you Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Fri Aug 10 20:10:29 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel&HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> <057701c12140$94cbeae0$043442cf@sank1> <3B740450.D132927B@concentric.net> <3B74219C.51DA2E9F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B742394.93432E2F@snip.net> Because I'm currently pricing Nak head units for as car stereo upgrade, I know that Nak's factoiry warranty if bought from an authorized dealer is three years on mobile audio electronics. britri at pacbell.net wrote: > Did I hear 90 day warranty? Is this pathetic warranty a tool for megastores to sell > their extended warranties, or a smart move for manufacturers who have no confidence in > product reliability. For the sake of comparison, what is Nakamichi's warranty length? > > Ron wrote: > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I've been servicing a Denon dealer here for over four years, and I can tell > > > you with substantial authority that Denon's receivers are now among the > > > least reliable, even compared to Sony, Pioneer, etc. Each of the last few > > > years has produced a large increase in failure numbers. They have become > > > absolutely unacceptable crap. > > > > Again, comparing apples to apples, *everybody's* > > reliability has dropped dramatically in the past few years, > > as the competition on the commodity products (which is what > > run-of-the-mill HT has become) has heated up. Based on > > people's responses on web sites, NGs and CR, Denon > > reliability is Comparable to Pioneer, Marantz, etc. Sony > > has deteriorated to unacceptability (their 'standard' > > warranty is now 90 days, including for such equipment as > > their flagship $1000 SVHS VCR). Toshiba reliability has > > dropped all the way from 'excellent' to 'garbage' in the > > past 5 - 8 years. > > > > > This is not pertenent to their pre-procs & power amps, which have not yet > > > seemed to suffer. > > > > Ah... But this is what I was talking about, except that I > > include such models as the 5600, 5700 and now the 5800. > > > > Specifically, I was talking about the AVP-8000: G-10 PCBs > > well laid out, with lots of shielding, copper plated > > chassis, > > high quality components, premium OP amp ICs, well thought > > out > > signal flow, etc. > > > > POA-8200/8300: modular construction, completely discrete > > design, good component quality, etc.. Of several people I > > know that own these units, none has had a problem, same as > > myself. (Rather small statistical sample, but zero problems > > does mean something). > > > > Again, there is no question that, if you compare Denon to > > ReVox, the latter will fare better, even though they had > > their own problem areas. To be meaningful, we have to > > compare similar cost and market niches. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon > > > > receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable > > > > to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market > > > > competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I > > > > own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but > > > > their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead > > > > of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. > > > > > > > > I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 > > > > and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these > > > > highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- > > > > again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as > > > > the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. > > > > > > > > As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' > > > > (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific > > > > sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the > > > > Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that > > > > this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has > > > > just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've got to take exception here. > > > > > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > receivers, > > > > > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for > > > more > > > > > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > > like > > > > > a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > > > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid > > > " > > > > > list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > > No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using > > > Nak > > > > > RE1 > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > > > plus > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better > > > for > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > > > movie > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre > > > / > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass > > > brand > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with > > > old > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > two-channel > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems > > > (e.g. > > > > > 1 > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two > > > into > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact > > > me > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at pacbell.net Fri Aug 10 20:20:23 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:20:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> <3B72EF9A.F6FD3F56@earthlink.net> <3B733569.E84F1E46@concentric.net> <3B733A53.A31CF9C2@earthlink.net> <3B733FEF.4346C86@concentric.net> <3B7371C0.BEC619D2@earthlink.net> <3B740FA2.A8313432@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7425D9.6F62FD74@pacbell.net> Jim and all, how do you manage to deal with lo end vibrations (wet bar, armoires, cabinets and contents all become bass traps, of sorts) that occur all over a home when enjoying music at a fairly lively volume. I just caught hell for breaking 2 Lalique crystal goblets that danced off the glass bar shelf. I can't put felt dots under everything. Listening room is huge 40x20 with 12' ceilings and thick carpet but we are going to limestone next month. Yes, all the eq controls are flat. Thank you very much Brian Ron wrote: > Thanks, Jim. I fully agree with your comments and have > actually acted on them already. I installed the heaviest > rug I could find (80 oz), on the heaviest padding, over > most of the floor (exception: a strip of flagstones, on > which the speakers and equipment sit). There are 2 sofas > and a large self-designed media wall unit, whose upper > portion contains books, binders, DVDs and cassette boxes. > > Moving the speakers and/or the listening position are not > an option, as I am sharing my living quarters with a partner > that cares not about sound or picture quality... Also, there > are factors outside my control, such as two large plate > glass > windows and a large opening to the house. > > I also agree that dealing with a problem at the source > (in this case, acoustically) promises a better chance of > success. To deal with this problem acoustically, I intend > to experiment with some corner diffusers behind the speakers > and some absorbing panels to deaden the speaker side of the > room. Acoustic tuning of the room will be time consuming and > is a future project. Meanwhile, I was hoping that a good > equalizer will allow me to tame the room, at least to some > degree. > > Again, thanks for your response, > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Ron, one thing that I've learned is that is best to deal with electrical > > problems electrically and acoustic problems acoustically. > > > > I would recommend the addition of a full sized area rug, preferably with > > thick padding underneath, bookshelves filled with books and LPs, draper > > and over stuffed furniture to absorb some of the mid and high frequency > > energy in the room. Also, large objects with curved, hard surfaces can > > be used to break up flutter echo between parallel surfaces like walls > > and the ceiling and floor. > > > > You can also take some of the room's affects out of the equation by > > moving the speakers and listening position closer together. I idea here > > is that you will hear more of the direct sound of the speakers and less > > of the reflected sound of the room. > > > > I would encourage you to experiment with these ideas first before > > spending money on electronics. You might be surprised at the > > improvement. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > I renovated my listening room some time ago, doing all > > > the right stuff, as far as building the ceiling and walls. > > > However, I succumbed to pressure and did not use acoustic > > > wall paper (on the theory that it may not do much for me > > > anyway). I took into account that some acoustic treatment > > > will be added later. > > > > > > The result was a serious improvement in bass performance. > > > However, the room is now FAR too live at mid and high > > > frequencies, hurting resolution and staging. For the time > > > being, I am considering adding an equalizer. I looked at > > > the Rane web site and it looks like they make a model that > > > should meet my needs. I haven't had the chance to listen > > > to their products yet. I'm wondering how good their > > > equipment sounds. > > > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 10 20:50:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:50:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] off topic inquiry References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010810120809.00a5f870@mail.verizon.net> <3B74225C.CF5DF73F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <068301c121cd$5549d980$043442cf@sank1> There were one or two Dokorder reel decks that were almost as good as a Teac(not a high benchmark), but the rest were seriously deficient. Don't remember model numbers at all, but the best ones looked much more like Teacs than the bad models. $20 is not bad for one, but it wouldn't send me running for my checkbook, either. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic inquiry > Has anybody had any experience with Dokorder r-r or any of their other products? I > have a chance to buy a mint r-r for $20.00. > > Thanks > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 21:19:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:19:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... Message-ID: <60.123dcb8f.28a58dae@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2001 3:34:56 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << If I'm not mistaken Sam, Z-Systems offers the EQ with an internal ADC and DAC as well as digital ins and outs. Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim. It is certainly one sharp product. One review I read said he sent the signal through it without any eq just because of the sound. That's what I've heard about the old Pultec EDQ-1a eq. At $5,000 each, you have to be serious about your sound and system to deploy it. Also, for what it's worth I've only heard good things about Electrocompaniet amps. There Nemo seems to be popping up everywhere. More power than I would need, but while the prices are relatively low it is a good buy. Are there other components as good (e.g. integrated amps, preamps)? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 21:33:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:33:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <32.1925df08.28a59106@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2001 10:57:48 AM Central Daylight Time, marc.stager at verizon.net writes: << The superiority of analogue recording is primarily audible on high drums, string sections, female vocals and sibilants in speech and singing. A lot of engineers feel this way, which is why, despite the digital push, most studios continue make their most valuable master tapes on Studer analogue tape decks. The reduction to digital for the CD master is the last step in the process. >> Thank you Marc. I appreciate your comments. As I boldly enter into this realm of "professional" sound, there is much to learn. But I'm learning and growing and enjoying my own personal music at a level I haven't before, so I am grateful to God this wonderful opportunity. Nonetheless, I've got to record on a Sony Metal ES using my CR-7 and some of my favorite recordings. (smile) Re: the digital push - I just find it interesting that so much effort is being placed into making a digital signal sound like an analog signal. As I mentioned in a past posting, you can now purchase software that adds the "feel" of an LP to your digital recording (e.g. snap, crackle, pop, worn needle, improperly balanced tonearm). I thought the purpose of going digital was to get away from these anomalies? And with ProTools, you can make digital masters using a software version of the very Struder reel-to-reels you mentioned. If I can purchase a "plug-in" that accurately recreates the sound of a reel-to-reel, why not just record to a real-life reel-to-reel? -Sam -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 21:39:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:39:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <7d.1936228d.28a59273@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2001 12:02:10 PM Central Daylight Time, ruajw2 at idirect.com writes: << Spent 5 very HOT years there from 1975 - 1980. Many days were up around the 120 F. mark with heavy humidity.................VERY bad for tapes. Roland >> Sounds like my summers in Louisiana. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 21:39:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:39:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: <12.10bc4976.28a5928f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2001 12:03:00 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << There may be sonic advantages, but they do not pertain to the recording. Meaning, the monitored sound could be better, but the recording will be the same at either setting. -- Ron >> OK, that makes sense. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 21:42:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:42:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2001 12:44:10 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << BTW what is your amp rating in class A ? Does amp get insanely hot in that mode ? I also use one marantz integrated which has this class switching and all that heatsink's clink clank sounds like its gonna blow in ten minutes in class A mode. Bias set is okay though. Best regards, SM >> Hi Salim, I using a Yamaha R-9 receiver, and I simply hit the switch. Yes, it does become warm rather soon after initiating class "A" amplification. I have my receiver placed on top of my rack alone and it breathes much better this way. From some past comments, it appears that class "A" always runs hot. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 22:46:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:46:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel&HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> <3B733CBC.6D8B199F@concentric.net> <057701c12140$94cbeae0$043442cf@sank1> <3B740450.D132927B@concentric.net> <3B74219C.51DA2E9F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B744836.BB278F4D@concentric.net> The 90 day warranty tells you a lot about Sony's view of their own quality. Another ruse is the '90 day labor, 1 year parts' warranty. The small print says that the parts warranty only applies if the repair is done by the company dealer. If the unit fails after 91 days, they give you the parts for free, then hit you with a horrendously stiff charge for the 'labour'. (How about a $99.95 charge to replace a 50 cent op amp IC?) IIRC, both my Nak 700 and 582 came with a 1 year warranty. The Denon AVP-8000 I mentioned below came with a 3 year warranty. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Did I hear 90 day warranty? Is this pathetic warranty a tool for megastores to sell > their extended warranties, or a smart move for manufacturers who have no confidence in > product reliability. For the sake of comparison, what is Nakamichi's warranty length? > > Ron wrote: > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I've been servicing a Denon dealer here for over four years, and I can tell > > > you with substantial authority that Denon's receivers are now among the > > > least reliable, even compared to Sony, Pioneer, etc. Each of the last few > > > years has produced a large increase in failure numbers. They have become > > > absolutely unacceptable crap. > > > > Again, comparing apples to apples, *everybody's* > > reliability has dropped dramatically in the past few years, > > as the competition on the commodity products (which is what > > run-of-the-mill HT has become) has heated up. Based on > > people's responses on web sites, NGs and CR, Denon > > reliability is Comparable to Pioneer, Marantz, etc. Sony > > has deteriorated to unacceptability (their 'standard' > > warranty is now 90 days, including for such equipment as > > their flagship $1000 SVHS VCR). Toshiba reliability has > > dropped all the way from 'excellent' to 'garbage' in the > > past 5 - 8 years. > > > > > This is not pertenent to their pre-procs & power amps, which have not yet > > > seemed to suffer. > > > > Ah... But this is what I was talking about, except that I > > include such models as the 5600, 5700 and now the 5800. > > > > Specifically, I was talking about the AVP-8000: G-10 PCBs > > well laid out, with lots of shielding, copper plated > > chassis, > > high quality components, premium OP amp ICs, well thought > > out > > signal flow, etc. > > > > POA-8200/8300: modular construction, completely discrete > > design, good component quality, etc.. Of several people I > > know that own these units, none has had a problem, same as > > myself. (Rather small statistical sample, but zero problems > > does mean something). > > > > Again, there is no question that, if you compare Denon to > > ReVox, the latter will fare better, even though they had > > their own problem areas. To be meaningful, we have to > > compare similar cost and market niches. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, we have to compare apples to apples. The Denon > > > > receivers are statistically *very* reliable. Not comparable > > > > to Crown or McIntosh, but when compared to their market > > > > competition. I agree that Denon mechanicals are crap (I > > > > own one of their CD player and, believe me, I know), but > > > > their top receivers and amps are very good. Way, way ahead > > > > of such stuff as current Toshiba and Sony. > > > > > > > > I own a Denon AVP-8000 pre/pro and used to own POA-8200 > > > > and POA-8300 power amps. I can honestly recommend these > > > > highly -- both as to reliability and performance -- > > > > again, compared to similarly priced equipment, such as > > > > the much touted Parasound, Chiro, B&K, Lexicon, et al. > > > > > > > > As to Yamaha, I intensely dislike the 'Yamaha sound' > > > > (sorry, Sam :-) ). IMHO, amps shouldn't have a specific > > > > sound of their own, but be totally transparent (as the > > > > Denon AVP-8000 and POA-8200/8300 are). I realize that > > > > this is not everyone's cup of tea, but -- as Jim has > > > > just stated -- preferences in this hobby are subjective. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've got to take exception here. > > > > > With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > > unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > receivers, > > > > > tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for > > > more > > > > > than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > > like > > > > > a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > > > mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid > > > " > > > > > list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > > No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using > > > Nak > > > > > RE1 > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > > > plus > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better > > > for > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > > > movie > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre > > > / > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass > > > brand > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with > > > old > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > two-channel > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems > > > (e.g. > > > > > 1 > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two > > > into > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact > > > me > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 10 23:08:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:08:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question References: Message-ID: <3B744D46.FA1BC6C4@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [........] > From some past comments, it appears that class "A" always runs hot. Class A consumes full current at all times, while class B consumes current in proportion to required signal current (zero current with no signal). Obviously, class A will always run hotter than class B. Class AB is a combination of the two: consumes some (not full) current at all times, and then, additional current as the signal volume rises above a certain level. This is normally the best approach. However, designs that insist on low NFB are forced to use class A, to obtain sufficiently low distortion. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 23:29:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:29:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 recording question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2001 4:11:54 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > [........] > From some past comments, it appears that class "A" always runs hot. Class A consumes full current at all times, while class B consumes current in proportion to required signal current (zero current with no signal). Obviously, class A will always run hotter than class B. Class AB is a combination of the two: consumes some (not full) current at all times, and then, additional current as the signal volume rises above a certain level. This is normally the best approach. However, designs that insist on low NFB are forced to use class A, to obtain sufficiently low distortion. -- Ron >> Thanks Ron. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Aug 11 00:54:25 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:54:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel&HT systems Message-ID: John, which Nak head unit did you decide to get? Just curious. >From: "John M. Smokevitch" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate >2-channel&HT systems >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:29 -0400 > >Because I'm currently pricing Nak head units for as car stereo upgrade, I >know that Nak's >factoiry warranty if bought from an authorized dealer is three years on >mobile audio >electronics. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 11 01:26:31 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:26:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C In-Reply-To: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000901c121f3$e36681c0$ca36883e@a4s1s2> I note that Kannan prefers Dolby C to B. Hi Fi journalists in the UK generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. Anyone got a view on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 10 August 2001 05:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Sam Dolby B on your CR7 can sound as good as Marc' s. better still use Dolby C. But without Dolby hiss levels may be low not inaudible particularly during silent passages ( Classical music for example). Tape hiss is even Spool tape's problem but with much lower level using higher speeds. Dolby SR is supposed to attend to that problem in professional studio work with Spool tapes! Sony Metal ES tapes got very good reviews in 80's and I have not heard them and with consistant good posting in our forum - worth trying to get ( but at $10 + a piece?) Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 11 01:39:25 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:39:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear cushions References: <65.187c04ce.28a430b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7470A9.2152328D@pacbell.net> Good news sp-7 headphone owners: Patty from Nakamichi Parts referred me to Radio Shack for replacement pads which are no longer stocked by Nakamichi. Radio Shacks replacement ear cushions (part # 33-379) fit perfectly. If I recall correctly, they are a bit thicker and are actually more comfortable. The increased thickness may detract from the sound a bit, but in the absence of an a/b test, I can't really tell. Yes folks, like Stephen mentioned recently, the inexpensive, simple, comfortable sp-7 is a great sounding headphone. Stephen, I sent you 2 pairs today. Enjoy Haveaniceweekend Brian ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Aug 11 01:31:51 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:31:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers In-Reply-To: <47.f37466b.28a4e04f@aol.com> Message-ID: just dont trust it from a fidelity standpoint. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA > speakers > > > In a message dated 8/9/2001 7:06:07 PM Central Daylight Time, > hifisapi at gate.net writes: > > << I have a pair of these I bought used 10 years ago > ($1250). they sound great but I do not use the SDA feature. > I have zero desire to upgrade from these babies. > JCO >> > > Hi JCO, > > Why don't you use the SDA feature? > > -Sam > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Sat Aug 11 01:41:45 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:41:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel&HT systems References: Message-ID: <3B747139.E9C50AC4@snip.net> Trying to decide btwn MB-100 and CD-700. I'd prefer CD-700, but I'm afraid it's going to be too expensive. I plan to use the aux input on whichever one I get to feed the output from my TD-1200II into it. So that way I'll have FM, AM & CD through either the MB-100 or the CD-700, and I'll have cassette playback through my TD-1200II which, as you are probably aware, is a Dragon for the car. winnie pooh wrote: > John, which Nak head unit did you decide to get? Just curious. > > >From: "John M. Smokevitch" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate > >2-channel&HT systems > >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:10:29 -0400 > > > >Because I'm currently pricing Nak head units for as car stereo upgrade, I > >know that Nak's > >factoiry warranty if bought from an authorized dealer is three years on > >mobile audio > >electronics. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Aug 11 02:25:28 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:25:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> <4.2.2.20010810005502.00a46490@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <005101c121fc$20be4460$1f06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Hi Stanley. If there are any left, I would like some. Kevin Rogers > > Hi Guys, > > @ 10 months ago I offered to sell some Sony Metal ES 90 min cassettes that > I found on closeout at my cost (3.50/ea ) plus shipping . I got some > responses and delivered @ 6-8 tapes. I was puzzled that I did not get a > confirming email from some folks who were interested at the time. I thought > that I posted to the Naklist to remind folks and just in case my individual > emails did not get through. To make a long story short, the tapes are still > available with first call going to the folks whose emails I still have that > wanted them. > > Kent Meridth. > Joel Eidbo. > Sam Barr > Brian Miller > Jeff Yee > Vinod K. > > If any are left after these folks have the opportunity to respond other > naklisters are welcome to them. Send me an email offlist. > > I apologize for any earlier troubles contacting folks. > > As I am in the middle of last minute planning for a family reunion don't > expect much of a response untill after Aug 20th. > > Thanks, > > Stan Pickens > > > > > > At 11:33 PM 8/9/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I just went thru years of Stereo Reviews and the ads at the back of the > >magazine. SONY Metal ES was priced at the same level as Maxell MX and TDK > >MA. > > > >I have a Consumers Reports evaluation of the blank audio media that placed > >Sony Metal ES at the top of the Type IV list. Can't picture this crowd > >relying on Consumers Reports ... > > > >To be perfectly honest, I am confused about that sudden hype regarding that > >tape. In my opinion, using a tape deck with calibration tones (CR7, Dragon, > >CR4, ZX9, and many more) you can get wonderful results using any tape. I do > >not understand how Metal ES can be any better than TDK MA, MA-XG, Maxell > >MX/MX-S. I have Sony Metal SR, I have Sony Metal Master (3x price of ES) and > >honestly, I can get them all sound pretty close. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Aug 11 02:41:21 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:41:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] off topic inquiry References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809115204.00aa6430@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010810120809.00a5f870@mail.verizon.net> <3B74225C.CF5DF73F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <013101c121fe$5827d5e0$1f06efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] off topic inquiry Hi Brian. Dokorder is complete crap, poorly designed and cheaply built. As I recall, even Stereo Review gave it a bad review which was unheard of at the time. Kevin > Has anybody had any experience with Dokorder r-r or any of their other products? I > have a chance to buy a mint r-r for $20.00. > > Thanks > > Brian > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sat Aug 11 03:02:26 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:02:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections References: <3B713611.5DB61782@sunint.co.za> <004501c11fb8$f93491a0$e505efd1@kevinrog> <3B71E65E.491F1A0@concentric.net> <001f01c12076$6b343d60$aa06efd1@kevinrog> <013a01c12138$2a8aa8e0$302f2ac4@coqui.net> Message-ID: <007d01c12201$4a3fee60$b105efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections] Hi Carlos. I haven't, but from what I know of patchbays, it wouldn't do what I want in my installation. Kevin > Kevin: > > What I use is a pro-patch bay and just hook up the deck I'm gonna use. Have > you tried it ? > > Carlos J. Guzman-President > Copytech Corporation > Puerto Rico > copytec at coqui.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Rogers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > > > Hi Ron. I can hook up to 9 at a time. Two Perreaux switchers with DBX > 200XG > > switchers. usually I just rotate them in and out. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > Mark, How do you get to listen to all these decks? The > > > switching facility required must be something enormous. > > > For sure, no receiver or preamp has that many inputs. > > > > > > Just curious, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Marc Hugo" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:52 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collections > > > > > > > > Thanks Marc, I am certifiable. I have had some from new and some I > just > > > > recently picked up. I was looking for the Aiwa XKS9000 for a long > time, > > > > finally got one from the original owner last year (he had 2 and this > was > > his > > > > back up) and then found another in similar condition recently and > > couldn't > > > > resist. I think it is a wonderful deck, great transport, well built > and > > > > HEAVY. > > > > It has one of the best Dolby S installations that I have heard. I > think > > that > > > > the Naks (and 3014A) are better, but it is very close in many > respects, > > just > > > > doesn't have the same "air" and detail. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > Hi Kevin: > > > > > > > > > > I thought I was certifiable......but you have the most astounding > > > > > cassette deck and reel-reel deck collection. Congratulations! Are > > you > > > > > a recent collector or have you had most of those machines from new? > > > > > Can't get over it. Those XKS-9000s - Aiwa's last serious decks. > How > > do > > > > > you rate them? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 11 04:44:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:44:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Looking for Polk Audio Reference SDA speakers Message-ID: <3c.fc62f82.28a5f5f6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2001 6:40:03 PM Central Daylight Time, hifisapi at gate.net writes: << just dont trust it from a fidelity standpoint. JCO >> ic -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Aug 11 06:25:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:55:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> Thanks Roland for understanding my humour in the positive sense. If you remember India during those cold war days,most Indian politicians were anti american. Anybody and everybody from US was a CIA agent! Even they claimed one past Indian President of India was a CIA agent ! Last decade' IT boom had brought these countries to be almost neighbours. Bill gates is as popular as our Cinema actors now! Fortunately Bangalore' humidity and temperatures are reasonably low. I am living here for past 18 years and my tapes are wonderful. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > >What were you doing in India - hope not in CIA training camp! >Kannan > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >Unfortunately the CIA wouldn't accept 14 year olds (especially stupid CTC >sniffing ones) in their camps at the time. > >Actually, I was there with my family doing religious volunteer work at the >time. Spent 5 very HOT years there from 1975 - 1980. Many days were up >around the 120 F. mark with heavy humidity.................VERY bad for >tapes. > >Roland > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Aug 11 06:50:26 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:20:26 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <008f01c12221$234564a0$42d60192@vsnl> This is my interest area! How much of this digital can sound like an anologue with improvements in quality of circuitry chip and technology at present - ofcourse without the problem of noise. So many of our members in pro recording studios ; have the digital recording reached the smoothness and natural sound as the anologue ( yeah Studer revox arena) recording? Stephen when you a play a well mastered CD on your Bidat/ Good CD drive combination - do you get the feel of Reel to reel sound? or still something is missing because of recording itself leaves a lot to be desired? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, August 11, 2001 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES >In a message dated 8/10/2001 10:57:48 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > ><< The superiority of analogue recording > is primarily audible on high drums, string sections, > female vocals and sibilants in speech and singing. > A lot of engineers feel this way, which is why, despite > the digital push, most studios continue make their most > valuable master tapes on Studer analogue tape decks. > The reduction to digital for the CD master is the last > step in the process. >> > > >Re: the digital push - I just find it interesting that so much effort is >being placed into making a digital signal sound like an analog signal. As I >mentioned in a past posting, you can now purchase software that adds the >"feel" of an LP to your digital recording (e.g. snap, crackle, pop, worn >needle, improperly balanced tonearm). I thought the purpose of going digital >was to get away from these anomalies? And with ProTools, you can make >digital masters using a software version of the very Struder reel-to-reels >you mentioned. If I can purchase a "plug-in" that accurately recreates the >sound of a reel-to-reel, why not just record to a real-life reel-to-reel? > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <009101c1222c$4275b400$1aeb3fd0@oemcomputer> shades of the is it live or is it memorex adverts ----- Original Message ----- From: "mick s" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... > G'day, > > On the subject of acoustic destructuion, has any naktalker carried out the > demonstration (as seen / heard in the BBC London Headquarters) of the French > Opera singer Natalie Dessaix / Mado Robin (I think) who could both shatter a > champagne glass with the sound waves from their incredibly high pitched > voices. > > A true test for Nakamichi fidelity! > > Mick > > Allawah, Sydney AU > > Home of the 2000 Olympics! > Home of the 2001 White Elephant! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Aug 11 08:42:37 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:42:37 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <04e801c12135$9a1909c0$043442cf@sank1> References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. Nope. The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty unit. With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I've got to take exception here. >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like >a hooker with open sores" list. >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " >list, but in there. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Miller" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate >2-channel & HT systems > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak >RE1 > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > decent > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > HT > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > power, I > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > AV > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > Nak > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > lately > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > 2-channel & > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > updating > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > audio > > > > via > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > this > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. >1 > > for > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > one > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > offline > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 11:48:33 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:48:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <60.123dcb8f.28a58dae@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B74FF71.BA47D47C@earthlink.net> Sam, If you like a nice warm, rich sound that still maintains clarity, you should listen to any Electrocompaniet. All of their products offer extremely good value , especially their integrateds. Electrocompaniet is about to replace all of their amplifiers with new models, expect for the Nemos, in the next couple of months. I would expect that their new amps will sound even better. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/10/2001 3:34:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << If I'm not mistaken Sam, Z-Systems offers the EQ with an internal ADC > and DAC as well as digital ins and outs. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Thanks Jim. It is certainly one sharp product. One review I read said he > sent the signal through it without any eq just because of the sound. That's > what I've heard about the old Pultec EDQ-1a eq. At $5,000 each, you have to > be serious about your sound and system to deploy it. > > Also, for what it's worth I've only heard good things about Electrocompaniet > amps. There Nemo seems to be popping up everywhere. More power than I would > need, but while the prices are relatively low it is a good buy. Are there > other components as good (e.g. integrated amps, preamps)? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 11 13:21:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:21:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <000201c12257$c5093a60$bee3883e@a4s1s2> Brett Funny you should say that. I went to the expense and both of upgrading my Quad 44 and 405, by getting a second 405 and having both altered by Quad so I could run them bridged, in dual mono. While they were away, I was using a Rotel integrated - not my favourite - and also bought on e-Bay an ancient (1960's) Eico ST70 tube integrated, just for fun. I was so blown over by the gorgeous sound I got from the Eico that the Quad's are now my second system and the Eico in the centre of my first. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brett Dickel Sent: 11 August 2001 07:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. Nope. The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty unit. With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 11 14:58:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:58:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Bill gates is > as popular as our Cinema actors now! It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 11 16:13:17 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:13:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B753D7C.A525FF1C@pacbell.net> What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood McIntosh? Ron wrote: > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > Bill gates is > > as popular as our Cinema actors now! > > It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 11 16:15:21 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:15:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive such an annoying mis-balanced sound? A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the Technics could be compensating for some other components (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon simply faithfully reproduced. The most common explanation, though, is the subjective nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am not saying this is the case here -- just that this is true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was heard in the original recording studio. If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of *accurate* speakers. -- Ron Brett Dickel wrote: > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > Nope. > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > unit. > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >I've got to take exception here. > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > >a hooker with open sores" list. > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > >list, but in there. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Miller" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > >RE1 > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > decent > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > HT > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > power, I > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > AV > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > Nak > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > lately > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > 2-channel & > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > updating > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > audio > > > > > via > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > this > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > >1 > > > for > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > one > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > offline > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 11 16:24:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:24:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> <3B753D7C.A525FF1C@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B754032.886E5668@concentric.net> I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but by price (the higher, the better). Second important consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, running Windows 2000 Server edition. G. W. Bush would have a Bose A/V system, augmented by a (overbright and misadjusted) 80", 4:3 RPTV. It will never be on, except in the presence of guests. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood > McIntosh? > > Ron wrote: > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > Bill gates is > > > as popular as our Cinema actors now! > > > > It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Sat Aug 11 18:41:51 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:41:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> <3B753D7C.A525FF1C@pacbell.net> <3B754032.886E5668@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000901c12284$867dbfa0$9465a93f@0021976299> Sorry, I didn't know we could go for cheap politics on this thread, but if so: al gore would have a sony boombox (cause a poll said it scored well in the demographics ), and Ol' slick willie would have a cheap rack system with lots of lights, and a pair of walmart speakers with big woofers! dr.bo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > running Windows 2000 Server edition. > > G. W. Bush would have a Bose A/V system, augmented by > a (overbright and misadjusted) 80", 4:3 RPTV. It will > never be on, except in the presence of guests. > > -- Ron > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood > > McIntosh? > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill gates is > > > > as popular as our Cinema actors now! > > > > > > It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 19:28:01 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:28:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> Ron, you really need to read Stereophile's review of the Denon AVR4800 before you continue speaking of Denon's "fidelity" Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > Technics could be compensating for some other components > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > simply faithfully reproduced. > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > heard in the original recording studio. > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > *accurate* speakers. > > -- Ron > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > Nope. > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > unit. > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >I've got to take exception here. > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > >list, but in there. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > >RE1 > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > decent > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > > HT > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > power, I > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > > AV > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > > Nak > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > lately > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > > audio > > > > > > via > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > > this > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > >1 > > > > for > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > > one > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 11 19:54:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:54:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... Message-ID: <9b.193f2b55.28a6cb56@aol.com> In a message dated 8/11/2001 4:51:13 AM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Sam, If you like a nice warm, rich sound that still maintains clarity, you should listen to any Electrocompaniet. All of their products offer extremely good value , especially their integrateds. Electrocompaniet is about to replace all of their amplifiers with new models, expect for the Nemos, in the next couple of months. I would expect that their new amps will sound even better. Jim Volpatti >> Thanks Jim. Yes, from everything I've read even their CD player is top notch. And, their gear doesn't cost (at the moment) anything close to the higher-end Krell or ML stuff. I will check them out. I think for me, my space limitations, and living in an apartment I will focus on upgrading my components and once I own a home move forward with a HT. So for now I can "window" shop and learn as much as I can. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 11 19:57:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:57:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <14.18713142.28a6cc21@aol.com> In a message dated 8/11/2001 9:07:20 AM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood McIntosh? Ron wrote: >> I don't know, I'm with Stephen on this one, I think George W. is a Bose Man. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 11 20:03:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:03:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2001 11:41:54 AM Central Daylight Time, jeidbo at toolcity.net writes: << I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > running Windows 2000 Server edition. >> I would think that Bill would have some "not on the market yet" digital sound controller, with his sound system hidden or blended into his home, where he controls all of the music and it's placement via a ultra thin, wireless LAN connected laptop or remote control. He's a big proponent of computer-controlled systems. So he probably has a server somewhere with 5,000 MP3's and .WAV files and he uses software to act as a "jukebox" and play music. For the PC-centric world, the idea of a digital control station is off the ground and their are two leading products on the market that serve as digital interfaces for playing MP3 files through your existing stereo system, usually connected via Ethernet to your home network for file distribution. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 11 21:10:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:10:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001b01c12299$5b657140$373442cf@sank1> Ron, Surely you don't suggest that a response curve drawn from a pure resistive load represents what an amp actually does into an actual speaker! Have you ever seen curves drawn on "simulated speaker loads" vs resistor loads? They are rarely similar curves. The Technics SU-V6 was actually a very decent & heavily built amp, so I would fully expect it to eat the Denon receiver for breakfast, regardless of speaker load. No question. None. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > Technics could be compensating for some other components > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > simply faithfully reproduced. > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > heard in the original recording studio. > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > *accurate* speakers. > > -- Ron > > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > Nope. > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > unit. > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >I've got to take exception here. > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > >list, but in there. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > >RE1 > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > decent > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > > HT > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > power, I > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > > AV > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > > Nak > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > lately > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > > audio > > > > > > via > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > > this > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > >1 > > > > for > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > > one > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 11 21:21:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:21:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <008f01c12221$234564a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <003501c1229a$d801f740$373442cf@sank1> I don't actually listen to very much classical, which means I'm not being too critical on very low sound level resolution, but I must say that the BiDAT DAC & Pioneer CLD-95 transport give me sound quality with totally musically satisfying results, even after listening to a good LP or a tape on the RCA RT-21B deck. When connected through a radical-rebuild Moscode Minuet preamp & rebuilt Moscode amp, the sound just makes me want to lay back & revel in it, like a banker rolling around in a pile of cash. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > This is my interest area! How much of this digital can sound like an > anologue with improvements in quality of circuitry chip and technology at > present - ofcourse without the problem of noise. So many of our members in > pro recording studios ; > have the digital recording reached the smoothness and natural sound as the > anologue ( yeah Studer revox arena) recording? > Stephen > when you a play a well mastered CD on your Bidat/ Good CD drive > combination - do you get the feel of Reel to reel sound? or still something > is missing because of recording itself leaves a lot to be desired? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2001 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > >In a message dated 8/10/2001 10:57:48 AM Central Daylight Time, > >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > > > ><< The superiority of analogue recording > > is primarily audible on high drums, string sections, > > female vocals and sibilants in speech and singing. > > A lot of engineers feel this way, which is why, despite > > the digital push, most studios continue make their most > > valuable master tapes on Studer analogue tape decks. > > The reduction to digital for the CD master is the last > > step in the process. >> > > > > > >Re: the digital push - I just find it interesting that so much effort is > >being placed into making a digital signal sound like an analog signal. As > I > >mentioned in a past posting, you can now purchase software that adds the > >"feel" of an LP to your digital recording (e.g. snap, crackle, pop, worn > >needle, improperly balanced tonearm). I thought the purpose of going > digital > >was to get away from these anomalies? And with ProTools, you can make > >digital masters using a software version of the very Struder reel-to-reels > >you mentioned. If I can purchase a "plug-in" that accurately recreates the > >sound of a reel-to-reel, why not just record to a real-life reel-to-reel? > > > >-Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 11 22:06:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:06:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> Jim, with all due respect to John Atkinson and Stereophile, this is absolutely the last place I would look for a review of a full featured HT receiver that goes for $1200 to $1300 (street price). They are absolutely guaranteed to pooh-pooh it. OTOH, read Sight & Sound -- they absolutely raved about the AVR-4800. Home Theater just loved it. Peruse all the comments on AudioReviews -- 125 reader evaluation of the Denon 4800 averaged 4.77 out of 5. That's 95.4% positive recommendations. A letter to the editor describes Stereophile readers' response to the AVR-4800 review: Sir, I own a Denon AVR-4800 receiver and I don't think you know what you're talking about. Denon is one of the finest audio companies that I know of. Every magazine that has reviewed the Denon AVR-4800 can't say enough good stuff about it. [....] Denon has higher-end two-channel components that are just as good as anything out there, even at 10 times the price. How dare you call Denon "mid-fi components recommended for people who don't like music but have to fill empty spaces in their TV wall units"? In short, Jim, Stereophile is full of it. Incidentally, Denon themselves have the AVR-5800, at double to triple the price of the 4800, that is better. However, there are zillions of people that are not willing (or able) to pay the stiff price difference for a quality difference that may not be proportionately significant to them. Denon also has separate pre/pro and power amps (at double to triple the price of the 5800) that perform better than the 5800 still. Again, not everyone can afford the kilobucks difference, or even appreciate the improvement. All of us in this hobby tend to suffer from a streak of perfectionism. Still, let's not lose our sense of proportion. The Denon AVR-4800 is one of the better HT receivers out there. Probably, one of the best in it's price range. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Ron, you really need to read Stereophile's review of the Denon AVR4800 > before you continue speaking of Denon's "fidelity" > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > Technics could be compensating for some other components > > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > heard in the original recording studio. > > > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > *accurate* speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > > unit. > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > > decent > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > > > HT > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > > > AV > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > lately > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > > > audio > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > > >1 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > > > one > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Aug 11 22:30:28 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:30:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ICE Message-ID: John, Sounds like its going to be an excellent ICE setup! Does anyone have any experience with the Nak 1000TD? From the looks and features, I suspect it is a TD-700 updated to include CD changer control. Do you know how much it retails for? Apparently it is only available in USA. >From: "John M. Smokevitch" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate >2-channel&HT systems >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:41:45 -0400 > >Trying to decide btwn MB-100 and CD-700. I'd prefer CD-700, but I'm afraid >it's going >to be too expensive. I plan to use the aux input on whichever one I get to >feed the >output from my TD-1200II into it. So that way I'll have FM, AM & CD >through either the >MB-100 or the CD-700, and I'll have cassette playback through my TD-1200II >which, as >you are probably aware, is a Dragon for the car. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 11 22:41:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:41:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <001b01c12299$5b657140$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B759892.A9EC898E@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > Surely you don't suggest that a response curve drawn from a pure > resistive load represents what an amp actually does into an actual speaker! Of course not. I didn't even imply such an idea. AFAIK, no amp designer assumes this. No amp design will be shipped without serious testing on several simulated speaker loads, taking inductance and capacitance to extreme -- if nothing else, than to absolutely assure unconditional stability. That's a given in any amp design. > Have you ever seen curves drawn on "simulated speaker loads" vs resistor > loads? They are rarely similar curves. This depends on the specific design. A good amp behaves like a true voltage source at all frequencies. While it is possible for an amp to deviate from the ideal, most 'good' amps do not. At least, not to any significant degree. > The Technics SU-V6 was actually a > very decent & heavily built amp, so I would fully expect it to eat the Denon > receiver for breakfast, regardless of speaker load. No question. None. The question was not who eats whom for breakfast. Brett indicated that the 3801 had a limited and mis-balanced response. I didn't even ask what speakers he owns, because precious few speakers can do that to a non-defective Denon 3801. This is a popular commodity product that sells in the hundreds of thousands, yet I have never seen a review that mentioned such behavior. I have heard the 3801 (with B&W 804s) and it's a very decently sounding receiver (for its price range. I am sure Stereophile would hate it). It certainly didn't exhibit the kind of sound Brett heard. I was simply offering some possible explanations. Regardless of how good the 20 year old amp is (if, indeed, it is), it does not explain the failing of the 3801. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate2-channel & HT systems > > > > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > Technics could be compensating for some other components > > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > heard in the original recording studio. > > > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > *accurate* speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty > year > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > overall > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a > faulty > > > unit. > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > receivers, > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for > more > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > like > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid > " > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > life. No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using > Nak > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > plus > > > > > decent > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > better for > > > > > HT > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > movie > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV > pre / > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass > brand > > > > > AV > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > with old > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > noticed > > > > > lately > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > contemplating > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > two-channel > > > > > audio > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > wisdom of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems > (e.g. > > > >1 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > two into > > > > > one > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > contact me > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 23:56:49 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:56:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B75AA21.A5D5A6E@earthlink.net> Please read the review,Ron. It's in the December 2000 issue. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Jim, with all due respect to John Atkinson and Stereophile, > this is absolutely the last place I would look for a > review of a full featured HT receiver that goes for $1200 > to $1300 (street price). They are absolutely guaranteed > to pooh-pooh it. > > OTOH, read Sight & Sound -- they absolutely raved about > the AVR-4800. Home Theater just loved it. Peruse all the > comments on AudioReviews -- 125 reader evaluation of the > Denon 4800 averaged 4.77 out of 5. That's 95.4% positive > recommendations. > > A letter to the editor describes Stereophile readers' > response to the AVR-4800 review: > > Sir, I own a Denon AVR-4800 receiver and I > don't think you know what you're talking > about. Denon is one of the finest audio > companies that I know of. Every magazine > that has reviewed the Denon AVR-4800 can't > say enough good stuff about it. > [....] > Denon has higher-end two-channel components > that are just as good as anything out there, > even at 10 times the price. How dare you call > Denon "mid-fi components recommended for people > who don't like music but have to fill empty > spaces in their TV wall units"? > > In short, Jim, Stereophile is full of it. > > Incidentally, Denon themselves have the AVR-5800, at double > to triple the price of the 4800, that is better. However, > there are zillions of people that are not willing (or able) > to pay the stiff price difference for a quality difference > that may not be proportionately significant to them. > > Denon also has separate pre/pro and power amps (at double > to triple the price of the 5800) that perform better than > the 5800 still. Again, not everyone can afford the kilobucks > difference, or even appreciate the improvement. > > All of us in this hobby tend to suffer from a streak of > perfectionism. Still, let's not lose our sense of > proportion. > The Denon AVR-4800 is one of the better HT receivers out > there. Probably, one of the best in it's price range. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Ron, you really need to read Stereophile's review of the Denon AVR4800 > > before you continue speaking of Denon's "fidelity" > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > *accurate* speakers. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > > > unit. > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > > > >1 > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 00:00:25 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:00:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <9b.193f2b55.28a6cb56@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B75AAF9.A4B91376@earthlink.net> Sam, It's the hasty purchases which have the least long term value. You're wise to take your time. Good luck! Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/11/2001 4:51:13 AM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Sam, > > If you like a nice warm, rich sound that still maintains clarity, you > should listen to any Electrocompaniet. All of their products offer > extremely good value , especially their integrateds. Electrocompaniet is > about to replace all of their amplifiers with new models, expect for the > Nemos, in the next couple of months. I would expect that their new amps > will sound even better. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Thanks Jim. Yes, from everything I've read even their CD player is top > notch. And, their gear doesn't cost (at the moment) anything close to the > higher-end Krell or ML stuff. I will check them out. I think for me, my > space limitations, and living in an apartment I will focus on upgrading my > components and once I own a home move forward with a HT. So for now I can > "window" shop and learn as much as I can. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sun Aug 12 00:46:11 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:46:11 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window even more. The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. I hope this makes sense. At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the >Technics could be compensating for some other components >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon >simply faithfully reproduced. > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was >heard in the original recording studio. > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of >*accurate* speakers. > >-- Ron > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > Nope. > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > unit. > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >I've got to take exception here. > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > receivers, > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > for more > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > like > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > >list, but in there. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > life. No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > >RE1 > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > decent > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > better for > > > > HT > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > power, I > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > mass brand > > > > AV > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > with old > > > > Nak > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > lately > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > contemplating > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > two-channel > > > > audio > > > > > > via > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > wisdom of > > > > this > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > systems (e.g. > > >1 > > > > for > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > two into > > > > one > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > contact me > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sun Aug 12 00:57:18 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:57:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> <3B753D7C.A525FF1C@pacbell.net> <3B754032.886E5668@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B75B84C.FFB5E12D@pacbell.net> The billgates system is probably right on. GW actually might have an old sansui setup and the girls probably have bose waves or lifestyles (yukkkk) What do you think Slickwilly has? Soundesign with Zenith Allegros. Brian Ron wrote: > I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > running Windows 2000 Server edition. > > G. W. Bush would have a Bose A/V system, augmented by > a (overbright and misadjusted) 80", 4:3 RPTV. It will > never be on, except in the presence of guests. > > -- Ron > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood > > McIntosh? > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill gates is > > > > as popular as our Cinema actors now! > > > > > > It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 12 01:15:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:15:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <00c201c122bb$8a345a00$373442cf@sank1> Ron, I really think you're giving Denon way too much credit for design/testing on their receivers. From the viewpoint of working on them & a great deal of exposure to clients owning them, I must say that I do not believe Denon gives much of a rat's ass about being thorough in the design/testing of their receivers anymore. All they care about is features & review specs(vs thorough specs) & *maybe* making it sound good on one chosen "average" speaker. Have you looked inside one? Power supply energy storage is virtually non-existent for so many channels of amp, and the amp circuits are crammed into a small space with no unusually good parts whatsoever. There is little to no resemblance to their separates. The Janzen stats, which I am pretty sure have dynamic woofers, present a lower impedance(+ considerable capacitance) on the mid to high freqs. The Denon would just plain run out of gas in that range sooner than the bass(mid bass, really, I'm sure). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems > Hi all, > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window even more. > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > I hope this makes sense. > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > >*accurate* speakers. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > > unit. > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > receivers, > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > > for more > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > like > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > life. No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > > decent > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > better for > > > > > HT > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > mass brand > > > > > AV > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > > with old > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > lately > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > contemplating > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > two-channel > > > > > audio > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > wisdom of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > systems (e.g. > > > >1 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > > two into > > > > > one > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > contact me > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 12 03:49:39 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:49:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> <3B75AA21.A5D5A6E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c122d1$e70bbd20$5c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim, Is it appropriate to ask if you have the pdf file of this review ? :-) Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems > Please read the review,Ron. It's in the December 2000 issue. > > Jim Volpatti > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 06:44:09 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:44:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> <3B75AA21.A5D5A6E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004d01c122e9$76997f60$9865fea9@D9569601> Were I to acquire home theatre stuff right now I'd probably be looking for a Parasound psp1500 preamp (dolby logic, dolby digital input) and some multi channel amp. Then, find the parasound matching dolby digital processor that matches the preamp. Nice units that can be reasonable had if you can find them for sale; nobody wants dolby pro logic only preamps it seems. It it does not have dolby digital onboard it ain't worth much... carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems > Please read the review,Ron. It's in the December 2000 issue. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Jim, with all due respect to John Atkinson and Stereophile, > > this is absolutely the last place I would look for a > > review of a full featured HT receiver that goes for $1200 > > to $1300 (street price). They are absolutely guaranteed > > to pooh-pooh it. > > > > OTOH, read Sight & Sound -- they absolutely raved about > > the AVR-4800. Home Theater just loved it. Peruse all the > > comments on AudioReviews -- 125 reader evaluation of the > > Denon 4800 averaged 4.77 out of 5. That's 95.4% positive > > recommendations. > > > > A letter to the editor describes Stereophile readers' > > response to the AVR-4800 review: > > > > Sir, I own a Denon AVR-4800 receiver and I > > don't think you know what you're talking > > about. Denon is one of the finest audio > > companies that I know of. Every magazine > > that has reviewed the Denon AVR-4800 can't > > say enough good stuff about it. > > [....] > > Denon has higher-end two-channel components > > that are just as good as anything out there, > > even at 10 times the price. How dare you call > > Denon "mid-fi components recommended for people > > who don't like music but have to fill empty > > spaces in their TV wall units"? > > > > In short, Jim, Stereophile is full of it. > > > > Incidentally, Denon themselves have the AVR-5800, at double > > to triple the price of the 4800, that is better. However, > > there are zillions of people that are not willing (or able) > > to pay the stiff price difference for a quality difference > > that may not be proportionately significant to them. > > > > Denon also has separate pre/pro and power amps (at double > > to triple the price of the 5800) that perform better than > > the 5800 still. Again, not everyone can afford the kilobucks > > difference, or even appreciate the improvement. > > > > All of us in this hobby tend to suffer from a streak of > > perfectionism. Still, let's not lose our sense of > > proportion. > > The Denon AVR-4800 is one of the better HT receivers out > > there. Probably, one of the best in it's price range. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > Ron, you really need to read Stereophile's review of the Denon AVR4800 > > > before you continue speaking of Denon's "fidelity" > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > (for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > *accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > > > > unit. > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On receivers, > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide for more > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid like > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much better for > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever mass brand > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance with old > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and contemplating > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and two-channel > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast wisdom of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate systems (e.g. > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the two into > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to contact me > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 07:03:14 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:03:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> <3B75AA21.A5D5A6E@earthlink.net> <001b01c122d1$e70bbd20$5c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B760E12.7BD37CBC@earthlink.net> No Salim, I do not. I went to Stereophile's website hoping that I would be there but I had no luck. I have the issue here and can scan it for anyone who's interested. I can't create a pdf file because I only have the Acrobat reader. Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Is it appropriate to ask if you have the pdf file of this review ? :-) > > Cheers, > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:56 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate2-channel & HT systems > > > Please read the review,Ron. It's in the December 2000 issue. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 12 07:55:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:55:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Fuji Metal Z cassette - a short review Message-ID: <89.aad08b7.28a77460@aol.com> Hi, I had an opportunity to try out the Fuji Metal Z that has been mentioned in past postings. I picked up a two-pack from my local Tower Records store for $6.49 a pack. More expensive than the MA 90/110 or the Maxell MX-S II's I purchased earlier. I created a George Benson compilation using all CD's. And, as usual I played my creation back using my BX-150, CR-7, and trust car stereo. My first impression of the sound reproduced using the this particular Fuji cassette is best described as balanced, clear, and accurate. If I had the option, I may have "played" with the bias just a "tad" bit to reveal if I could have "tuned" this cassette in a little more. But overall it was a very "sweet" recording with plenty of room for those low bass frequencies, and a balance between mids and highs. There is less audible "hiss" over the TDK MA's using Dolby B. I would advise if you have an opportunity it is worth trying these metals out. Once note of caution - I learned that this tape has been discontinued, so you may find it on clearance. I would record on them again, so much so that I purchased another two pack to have on hand for special recordings. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Sun Aug 12 09:29:36 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:29:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0136597B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc & all of the nakaholics, That is very true about the engineers decisions. I have here the cd "The Juliet letters" by Elvis Costello & the Brodsky quartet, in it Elvis wrote about how the album came about but more importantly about the decision of recording it on analog equipment. He writes "The decision to make an analog recording was an aesthetic one, founded on my firm conviction that for everything that digital recording gains in noise reduction and supposed clarity, there are unacceptable losses of warmth and depth. For the same reasons, the record was mixed to half-inch analog tape. All other applicable methods of noise reduction were employed. We trust that the results justify these decisions." -Elvis Costello October 21, 1992. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Stager [mailto:marc.stager at verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 1:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Sam: re: Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? It is inherent in any analogue tape medium, except where it has been reduced to inaudible levels on high speed half-inch or even one inch mastering machines. and multitrack tracking decks using Dolby SR. With cassettes I find that Dolby noise reduction achieves an acceptable level of tape hiss, too low to be of any consequence on all but the quietest musical passages. And compared to recording digitally, which I've done on many occasions, I find the sound of music is more natural and satisfying and any trace amounts of tape hiss from the cassette - that is, a good quality metal tape recorded at a robust level, are completely benign. The superiority of analogue recording is primarily audible on high drums, string sections, female vocals and sibilants in speech and singing. A lot of engineers feel this way, which is why, despite the digital push, most studios continue make their most valuable master tapes on Studer analogue tape decks. The reduction to digital for the CD master is the last step in the process. ______________________________ Marc Stager ======================================== At 8/9/01, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/9/2001 11:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, >marc.stager at verizon.net writes: > ><< Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all > practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set > levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic > range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest > passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops > to 10 or 12 bits. >> > >Hi Marc, > >"Tapes consistently sound more natural, less grainy, and. for all >practical purposes, free from tape hiss. Generally I will set >levels for the loudest passage and leave it alone. The dynamic >range is as good as DAT, better, actually in that the quietest >passages record at full analogue resolution while the DAT drops >to 10 or 12 bits." > >One of the reasons the group I'm working with moved to DAT was to remove >traditional tape hiss associated with cassettes. We also use limiters and >create very clean copies. However, how do you totally remove tape hiss? >Isn't hiss inherent with the cassette medium? > >-Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Aug 12 10:01:41 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:31:41 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <00c101c12305$05d469e0$42d60192@vsnl> Only think I know about Bill gates system is - it will have robust "Shutdown" button on it and when activated will take some time and then you will see an indicator "You can safely switch off the power" Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio >In a message dated 8/11/2001 11:41:54 AM Central Daylight Time, >jeidbo at toolcity.net writes: > ><< I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > > running Windows 2000 Server edition. >> > >I would think that Bill would have some "not on the market yet" digital sound >controller, with his sound system hidden or blended into his home, where he >controls all of the music and it's placement via a ultra thin, wireless LAN >connected laptop or remote control. He's a big proponent of >computer-controlled systems. So he probably has a server somewhere with >5,000 MP3's and .WAV files and he uses software to act as a "jukebox" and >play music. > >For the PC-centric world, the idea of a digital control station is off the >ground and their are two leading products on the market that serve as digital >interfaces for playing MP3 files through your existing stereo system, usually >connected via Ethernet to your home network for file distribution. > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 16:32:56 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:32:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3B769398.8F02944C@concentric.net> Brett, It certainly makes sense to me. I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, 'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as 'difficult to drive'. HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon amps (even the high end models) are not particularly good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another possible explanation for what you heard. I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own 5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to this day, except that the 801s require space around them and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, that are actually better than the 801s and not as location sensitive. The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet highs, robust bass, and solid sound stage. I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each instrument separately from the others. A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I *should* have asked what speakers were involved. Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely they can find a speaker physically usable as a center channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion could require speaker replacement. I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying with me, -- Ron Brett Dickel wrote: > > Hi all, > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window even more. > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > I hope this makes sense. > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > >*accurate* speakers. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty year > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the overall > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a faulty > > > unit. > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > receivers, > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > > for more > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > like > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better & > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my "avoid " > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > life. No > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution using Nak > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working plus > > > > > decent > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > better for > > > > > HT > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist movie > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV pre / > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > mass brand > > > > > AV > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > > with old > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I noticed > > > > > lately > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > contemplating > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > two-channel > > > > > audio > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > wisdom of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > systems (e.g. > > > >1 > > > > > for > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > > two into > > > > > one > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > contact me > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 16:38:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:38:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <005e01c1221d$a64dd840$42d60192@vsnl> <3B752C0C.172E6AC5@concentric.net> <3B753D7C.A525FF1C@pacbell.net> <3B754032.886E5668@concentric.net> <3B75B84C.FFB5E12D@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B7694C9.C7A6AFE4@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > The billgates system is probably right on. GW actually might have an old sansui setup > and the girls probably have bose waves or lifestyles (yukkkk) > > What do you think Slickwilly has? Soundesign with Zenith Allegros. Hell, no. He's far too smart for that and a true patron of the arts. IOW, he definitely appreciates good stuff when he hears it. He probably has Classe electronics with Wilson Puppies, that somehow got paid for with campaign funds. -- Ron > > Brian > > Ron wrote: > > > I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > > running Windows 2000 Server edition. > > > > G. W. Bush would have a Bose A/V system, augmented by > > a (overbright and misadjusted) 80", 4:3 RPTV. It will > > never be on, except in the presence of guests. > > > > -- Ron > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > What kinda HIFI would Bill Gates buy? Krell? Whatabout G W Bush? Blueblood > > > McIntosh? > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill gates is > > > > > as popular as our Cinema actors now! > > > > > > > > It's good to know he's popular *somewhere*... > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 17:13:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:13:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <00c201c122bb$8a345a00$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B769CFD.E57A911A@concentric.net> No, I have only looked under the hood of the Denon separates and these are extremely well built and designed, with performance to match. I also greatly appreciate Denon's Customer Service and honest practice. As to the rest -- I am sure you are right and don't think I argued to the contrary. However, you must judge Denon WRT other manufacturers in the same market segment and of comparable price range. I never hear the far too ubiquitous Sony and Toshiba horror stories (WRT both product quality and Customer Service) about Denon or Pioneer. Of the commodity A/V receivers, I find Denon preferable (performance wise) to several others. I have auditioned several Denon receivers (with HT kind of speakers) and found them good sounding, on par with their market or better. I am not a Denon loyalist, just an impartial (I hope) observer. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > I really think you're giving Denon way too much credit for > design/testing on their receivers. From the viewpoint of working on them & > a great deal of exposure to clients owning them, I must say that I do not > believe Denon gives much of a rat's ass about being thorough in the > design/testing of their receivers anymore. All they care about is features > & review specs(vs thorough specs) & *maybe* making it sound good on one > chosen "average" speaker. Have you looked inside one? Power supply energy > storage is virtually non-existent for so many channels of amp, and the amp > circuits are crammed into a small space with no unusually good parts > whatsoever. There is little to no resemblance to their separates. The > Janzen stats, which I am pretty sure have dynamic woofers, present a lower > impedance(+ considerable capacitance) on the mid to high freqs. The Denon > would just plain run out of gas in that range sooner than the bass(mid bass, > really, I'm sure). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brett Dickel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate2-channel & HT systems > > > Hi all, > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window even > more. > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my twenty > year > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards > bass > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > overall > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow a > faulty > > > > unit. > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > receivers, > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > > > for more > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my > "avoid > > > like > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely better > & > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my > "avoid " > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > > life. No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution > using Nak > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel working > plus > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > > better for > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - minimalist > movie > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck AV > pre / > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > > mass brand > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > > > with old > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > noticed > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > two-channel > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > > wisdom of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > > systems (e.g. > > > > >1 > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > > > two into > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > > contact me > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 17:21:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:21:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <00c101c12305$05d469e0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B769EE2.1B3E4A37@concentric.net> Or, when you try to switch off, it will flash the message: "Are you sure?" -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Only think I know about Bill gates system is - it will have robust > "Shutdown" button on it and when activated will take some time and then you > will see an indicator > "You can safely switch off the power" > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > >In a message dated 8/11/2001 11:41:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > >jeidbo at toolcity.net writes: > > > ><< I would imagine Bill Gates would buy not by sound, but > > > by price (the higher, the better). Second important > > > consideration would be the 'wow factor' and number > > > of front panel lights. The most expensive piece in > > > his setup would be the equipment cabinet. There will > > > be a direct connection to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4 computer, > > > running Windows 2000 Server edition. >> > > > >I would think that Bill would have some "not on the market yet" digital > sound > >controller, with his sound system hidden or blended into his home, where he > >controls all of the music and it's placement via a ultra thin, wireless LAN > >connected laptop or remote control. He's a big proponent of > >computer-controlled systems. So he probably has a server somewhere with > >5,000 MP3's and .WAV files and he uses software to act as a "jukebox" and > >play music. > > > >For the PC-centric world, the idea of a digital control station is off the > >ground and their are two leading products on the market that serve as > digital > >interfaces for playing MP3 files through your existing stereo system, > usually > >connected via Ethernet to your home network for file distribution. > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 17:41:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:41:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> <000801bee4d4$aff63320$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B76A3C3.7A74F2E4@concentric.net> Salim, You have to differentiate Stereophile from its sister publication SGHT. The denon AVR-5700 (and later, the AVR-5800 even more so) has been stated to match or better some separates, by HT reviewers. Rest assured that Stereophile will disdain some of these separates as well. They are extreme subjectivists with very high standards, that tend to recommend only very expensive equipment. SGHT is much more down to earth, targeting a much wider (and, frankly, less discriminating) audience. SGHT would view the Denon AVR-4800 very positively, had they reviewed it al all). Michael Fremer uses the AVR-5800 as his REFERENCE, no less. The AVR-4800, that Stereophile obviously decimated, is sonically fairly similar. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Have to disagree on this one ... guess what was Stereophile's "Recommended > Components 2000", "A/V Receivers", class "AAA" ? ... surprise surprise ... > Denon AVR 5700 ! > > Well actually it's SGtHT (S'phile Guide to HT) mar/apr 2000 edition. > Complete list: > > Class AAA: Denon AVR 5700 $2800, Onkyo TX-DS939 $2800, Yamaha DSP-A1 $2600 > Class AA: Sony STR-DA90ESG $1600 > Class A: Denon AVR 3200 $1000, Marantz SR880 $1500, Sherwood R-945 $1300, > Yamaha RX-V793 $800, Yamaha RX-V2095 $1600 > Class B: Onkyo TX-DS575 $530, Technics SA-AX6 $400 > > Not actually pooh-pooh ... :-) IMHO that's real apple to apple comparison, > as HT separates are put on different category (your Aragon 8008 is numero > uno on the amp list). Interesting to see that Yamaha 793 as class A rec'd > component ... it sounds nowhere close to my humble Nak AV2s. And in 2ch > setting I'm pretty sure you'll also prefer low wattage SR3 driving similar > speaker. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 3:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate2-channel & HT systems > > > > > Jim, with all due respect to John Atkinson and Stereophile, > > this is absolutely the last place I would look for a > > review of a full featured HT receiver that goes for $1200 > > to $1300 (street price). They are absolutely guaranteed > > to pooh-pooh it. > > > > OTOH, read Sight & Sound -- they absolutely raved about > > the AVR-4800. Home Theater just loved it. Peruse all the > > comments on AudioReviews -- 125 reader evaluation of the > > Denon 4800 averaged 4.77 out of 5. That's 95.4% positive > > recommendations. > > > > A letter to the editor describes Stereophile readers' > > response to the AVR-4800 review: > > > > Sir, I own a Denon AVR-4800 receiver and I > > don't think you know what you're talking > > about. Denon is one of the finest audio > > companies that I know of. Every magazine > > that has reviewed the Denon AVR-4800 can't > > say enough good stuff about it. > > [....] > > Denon has higher-end two-channel components > > that are just as good as anything out there, > > even at 10 times the price. How dare you call > > Denon "mid-fi components recommended for people > > who don't like music but have to fill empty > > spaces in their TV wall units"? > > > > In short, Jim, Stereophile is full of it. > > > > Incidentally, Denon themselves have the AVR-5800, at double > > to triple the price of the 4800, that is better. However, > > there are zillions of people that are not willing (or able) > > to pay the stiff price difference for a quality difference > > that may not be proportionately significant to them. > > > > Denon also has separate pre/pro and power amps (at double > > to triple the price of the 5800) that perform better than > > the 5800 still. Again, not everyone can afford the kilobucks > > difference, or even appreciate the improvement. > > > > All of us in this hobby tend to suffer from a streak of > > perfectionism. Still, let's not lose our sense of > > proportion. > > The Denon AVR-4800 is one of the better HT receivers out > > there. Probably, one of the best in it's price range. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 12 20:08:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:08:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/2001 9:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Hell, no. He's far too smart for that and a true patron of the arts. IOW, he definitely appreciates good stuff when he hears it. He probably has Classe electronics with Wilson Puppies, that somehow got paid for with campaign funds. -- Ron >> Fmr. President Bill Clinton was a musician, what kinda of systems do musicians tend to own? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 12 20:11:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:11:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B753DF9.21CACB6D@concentric.net> <3B756B21.777A8B3B@earthlink.net> <3B759029.4314A1FE@concentric.net> <000801bee4d4$aff63320$44289bca@smarzuki> <3B76A3C3.7A74F2E4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003001c1235a$5305c380$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Probably that kind of answers the thread, don't you think ? Considering similar reviewers (well not all) of those two mags, they view high end 2ch components at higher standards or at least separate from HT setup. As I understand Mike is *the* analog guy who has most 'subjective' area within S'phile, turntables and all. While John, to me, tends to be more objective in his reviews (always interesting to see the way he relates measurements with listening tests). I can understand Mike using integrated AV in his HT setup, but big chance not near his Yorke or Graham or whatever. Comparing those two mags are more 'inline' than contrasting Sphile with say, Stereo Review. While I don't cater to Sphile's highly subjective reviews like "day and night differences using this stone/pen/feet" - 70-80% of its content is still reasonable, unlike some 'objective' mags which never say anything bad, or have inadequate measurements. Sometimes we also get a break from ridiculously expensive stuff, like when it raved about Rega Planet back then (there's also "budget" section on its online reviews). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate2-channel & HT systems > > Salim, > > You have to differentiate Stereophile from its sister > publication SGHT. > > The denon AVR-5700 (and later, the AVR-5800 even more > so) has been stated to match or better some separates, > by HT reviewers. Rest assured that Stereophile will > disdain some of these separates as well. They are > extreme subjectivists with very high standards, that > tend to recommend only very expensive equipment. > > SGHT is much more down to earth, targeting a much > wider (and, frankly, less discriminating) audience. > SGHT would view the Denon AVR-4800 very positively, had > they reviewed it al all). Michael Fremer uses the AVR-5800 > as his REFERENCE, no less. The AVR-4800, that Stereophile > obviously decimated, is sonically fairly similar. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 12 20:28:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:28:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005501c1235c$931561e0$44289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, thanks for the hint. I swapped 7612 from BX and now meter behaves very well. That meter pcb on dragon ... consists of three small pcbs ... folded into one row ... I'm still shaking my head. No wonder it gives so much heat, btw, is this the "hottest" nak deck of all ? CA preamp is also very warm to the touch, very much like a power amp, is that normal ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > Should be a very cheap chip, actually. They used the same chip in many > cheaper models that came after, so you could scavenge a CR-1 or maybe a BX > deck, if you needed to temporarily. If the chip is causing the problem, I > would predict it will spread to other segments after a while. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 12 20:36:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:36:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: Message-ID: <3B76CCBE.71843B61@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/12/2001 9:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Hell, no. He's far too smart for that and a true patron > of the arts. IOW, he definitely appreciates good stuff > when he hears it. He probably has Classe electronics > with Wilson Puppies, that somehow got paid for with > campaign funds. > > -- Ron > >> > > Fmr. President Bill Clinton was a musician, what kinda of systems do > musicians tend to own? Good ones, I assume :-). -- Ron > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 12 22:38:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:38:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> <005501c1235c$931561e0$44289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <016b01c1236e$b040dc60$373442cf@sank1> I never thought of the Dragon as hot running, actually, except when driver opamp chips are dying in the servo. I think the warmest running Nak might be the CR-7. And, yes, the CA-7 does run fairly warm, as would any belt-sander.=)(or the aural equivalent) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > Stephen, thanks for the hint. I swapped 7612 from BX and now meter behaves > very well. That meter pcb on dragon ... consists of three small pcbs ... > folded into one row ... I'm still shaking my head. No wonder it gives so > much heat, btw, is this the "hottest" nak deck of all ? CA preamp is also > very warm to the touch, very much like a power amp, is that normal ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > > > Should be a very cheap chip, actually. They used the same chip in many > > cheaper models that came after, so you could scavenge a CR-1 or maybe a BX > > deck, if you needed to temporarily. If the chip is causing the problem, I > > would predict it will spread to other segments after a while. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 12 22:43:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:43:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <3B76CCBE.71843B61@concentric.net> Message-ID: <017101c1236f$64827da0$373442cf@sank1> Reminds me of an old story. Years ago, Radio Shack used to feature an orchestra conductor, I think it was Arthur Fiedler, on their catalogs, as an endorser of their "quality hifi gear". My old boss knew this conductor. As it turns out, this conductor didn't give a damn about audio equipment, because he thought NONE of it came anywhere near the sound of live music. So he would have been as happy(or unhappy) with a table radio as he would with a $100k system. Which reminds me of my favorite musician joke: What do you call a person who hangs out with musicians? A drummer. Sorry if I've told that one before here. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/12/2001 9:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << Hell, no. He's far too smart for that and a true patron > > of the arts. IOW, he definitely appreciates good stuff > > when he hears it. He probably has Classe electronics > > with Wilson Puppies, that somehow got paid for with > > campaign funds. > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Fmr. President Bill Clinton was a musician, what kinda of systems do > > musicians tend to own? > > Good ones, I assume :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 13 01:17:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:17:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio References: <3B76CCBE.71843B61@concentric.net> <017101c1236f$64827da0$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B770EA6.5E17D9A7@concentric.net> Three more: * Musicians don't die, they just decompose. * How is a viola better than a violin? It burns longer. * In a song recital: - Mommy, mommy, why is the man hitting the lady with a stick? - He's not hitting her. - So, why is she screaming? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Reminds me of an old story. Years ago, Radio Shack used to feature an > orchestra conductor, I think it was Arthur Fiedler, on their catalogs, as an > endorser of their "quality hifi gear". My old boss knew this conductor. As > it turns out, this conductor didn't give a damn about audio equipment, > because he thought NONE of it came anywhere near the sound of live music. > So he would have been as happy(or unhappy) with a table radio as he would > with a $100k system. > > Which reminds me of my favorite musician joke: > What do you call a person who hangs out with musicians? > > A drummer. > > Sorry if I've told that one before here. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/12/2001 9:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << Hell, no. He's far too smart for that and a true patron > > > of the arts. IOW, he definitely appreciates good stuff > > > when he hears it. He probably has Classe electronics > > > with Wilson Puppies, that somehow got paid for with > > > campaign funds. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > > > Fmr. President Bill Clinton was a musician, what kinda of systems do > > > musicians tend to own? > > > > Good ones, I assume :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 13 02:33:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:33:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> <005501c1235c$931561e0$44289bca@smarzuki> <016b01c1236e$b040dc60$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000501c1238f$8b3b4f60$51289bca@smarzuki> Ooops ... sorry, forgot the oven light on the cass well ! That must be it, cassettes went out as hot as toasted bread. And thank you for the compliment. =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > I never thought of the Dragon as hot running, actually, except when driver > opamp chips are dying in the servo. I think the warmest running Nak might > be the CR-7. And, yes, the CA-7 does run fairly warm, as would any > belt-sander.=)(or the aural equivalent) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > > > > > Stephen, thanks for the hint. I swapped 7612 from BX and now meter > behaves > > very well. That meter pcb on dragon ... consists of three small pcbs ... > > folded into one row ... I'm still shaking my head. No wonder it gives so > > much heat, btw, is this the "hottest" nak deck of all ? CA preamp is also > > very warm to the touch, very much like a power amp, is that normal ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 13 06:35:35 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:35:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up Message-ID: <33.195549a6.28a8b317@aol.com> In a message dated 8/12/2001 7:41:49 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Ooops ... sorry, forgot the oven light on the cass well ! That must be it, cassettes went out as hot as toasted bread. And thank you for the compliment. =) Salim SM >> Interesting, I haven't noticed my CR-7 running hot. Maybe I have my ac to low. My place is somewhat cold to the average person. Also, may rack placement is very airy. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Mon Aug 13 12:57:57 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:57:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Luxman power amp. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0136597F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Has anyone heard of the Luxman M-02 power amp, what do you think of them? Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From szollos at it.cas.cz Mon Aug 13 13:23:25 2001 From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:23:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Where are you from References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010809073932.02149220@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B729487.150DE018@it.cas.cz> <3B7329BA.D510C15A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B77B8AD.4228BB2F@it.cas.cz> Ron, Glad to hear, you enjoyed your stay here. Perhaps you will come back soon and we can have a meeting then. Best, Andras. Ron wrote: > > Andras Szollos wrote: > > > > Andras > > > > Prague, Czech Republic > > Just came back from Prague a few weeks ago. Wonderful > trip. The State Opera was an unbelievable treat (we > went to see Nabucco and everyone in the party was so > impressed we all agreed to to come back, so we caught > Cosy Fan Tutte as well). The Mozart Requiem, in the > Smetana hall, was also of very high caliber. > > Great city. Highly recommended to any one that has a > week to spend. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 13 13:36:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:36:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> <005501c1235c$931561e0$44289bca@smarzuki> <016b01c1236e$b040dc60$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c123ec$32f733c0$55289bca@smarzuki> Sorry Stephen, I just remembered that the clearance space between flywheel and coil was narrower than original when I replaced the shafts (also compared to other cr/bx), could this narrower gap caused additional heat ? I would've thought those bunch of transistors on dragon's drive pcb behind flywheel would make it much hotter than regular DD ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > I never thought of the Dragon as hot running, actually, except when driver > opamp chips are dying in the servo. I think the warmest running Nak might > be the CR-7. And, yes, the CA-7 does run fairly warm, as would any > belt-sander.=)(or the aural equivalent) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Aug 13 14:03:38 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:03:38 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs.separate2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <3B769398.8F02944C@concentric.net> References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with the electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had trouble except the Denon. I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 or 6 years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but I decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a hefty transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind either......why should the Denon struggle? I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was difficult (to enjoy) :-( Brett ---------------------------------------------- At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Brett, > >It certainly makes sense to me. > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as >'difficult to drive'. > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another >possible explanation for what you heard. > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to >this day, except that the 801s require space around them >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location >sensitive. > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet >highs, >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each >instrument separately from the others. > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion >could require speaker replacement. > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying >with me, > >-- Ron > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window > even more. > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > twenty year > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > overall > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow > a faulty > > > > unit. > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > receivers, > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > > > for more > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > > like > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely > better & > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my > "avoid " > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > > life. No > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution > using Nak > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > working plus > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > > better for > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck > AV pre / > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > > mass brand > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > > > with old > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > noticed > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > two-channel > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > > wisdom of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > > systems (e.g. > > > > >1 > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > > > two into > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > > contact me > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From LOPNOLA at aol.com Mon Aug 13 15:14:32 2001 From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:14:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: Stephen, just to add insult to injury: How do you define the interval of a minor second? Two trombone players on the same part. Larry Phillips The Electric Ear New Orleans ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Aug 13 18:23:49 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:23:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR 2 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D43B@CPT-01> A friend has a good deal on a DR 2 inperfect condition i wanted to know what the group as a whole thought of the deck. Regards Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 13 22:09:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:09:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up References: <200107301729.TAA02767@zebra.naks.com> <001401c1191f$7729e740$4d289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c11923$e8b1ca00$823442cf@sank1> <005501c1235c$931561e0$44289bca@smarzuki> <016b01c1236e$b040dc60$373442cf@sank1> <000401c123ec$32f733c0$55289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <023701c12433$e4c48160$373442cf@sank1> As long as the flywheel isn't hitting the stator coils, there should be no effect. The driver transistors won't get too hot to hold your finger on unless IC515 or IC516 are going bad. They do get good & warm, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > Sorry Stephen, I just remembered that the clearance space between flywheel > and coil was narrower than original when I replaced the shafts (also > compared to other cr/bx), could this narrower gap caused additional heat ? > > I would've thought those bunch of transistors on dragon's drive pcb behind > flywheel would make it much hotter than regular DD ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dargon LED lights up > > > > I never thought of the Dragon as hot running, actually, except when driver > > opamp chips are dying in the servo. I think the warmest running Nak might > > be the CR-7. And, yes, the CA-7 does run fairly warm, as would any > > belt-sander.=)(or the aural equivalent) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Mon Aug 13 22:20:40 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:20:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel & HT systems Message-ID: Graham-FYI. For my office system I use a pair of EICO HF20's. Put in a parts upgrade kit form Vacuum Tube Valley and when using them w/ a pair of B&W' 805's I aquired in a trade a while back, it sounds pretty damn good. Not bad for a pair of amps I purchased for 400 bucks. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 14 00:22:42 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:22:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what does all this mean? Message-ID: Hi, Please forgive me as I "tap" the collective wisdom of this group again. (smile) As many of you know, I am researching and learning more about audiophile equipment as I prepare to upgrade my home system. What I would like to ask you all is how do I interpret the statistical data or technical specifications for a particular piece of equipment? If I knew what the standard or ranges were I could better appreciate what I'm reading when reviewing a piece of equipment. For example, listed below are the technical specifications for the Electrocompaniant Integrated amplifier. Can someone tell me what is the standard for these specifications? Please respond offline from NakTalkers and I thank you in advance for your help with this very unique request. -SamTheCR-7Man! Electrocompaniant ECI-4 Integrated Amplifier: ( http://www.electrocompaniet.no/t-eci4.htm ) Preamplifier section Nominal Input impedance 330Kohm Max. input level > 10 Volt RMS Equivalent input noise < 4 µV For example, should the above number be "3" or better, or anything less than "5"? Pre-out gain balanced output (XLR) 1,37x Pre-out gain single output (RCA) 1,25x Amplifier section Main voltage 120 V / 240 V. Clipping point of the amplifier is set to a level where total harmonic distortion (THD) is 0.2 %. Again, for the clipping specification what is considered the standard? Anything less than .1% is considered good? Anything less than .5%? Output Impedance (20 Hz -20 kHz) < 0,01 W For example, and this is a baby question - but does this stat translate that anything outside of these ranges will not be produced? I always believed that companies used this specification range as it is believed to be the average person's range of hearing, and that most equipment performs well within these ranges. Max. peak current > 80 A THD (measured at 1 kHz half power, 8 W) < 0,007 % THD (measured at 1 kHz -1 dB 8 W) < 0,008 % Input sensitivity for rated output single ended 1,4V Input sensitivity for rated output balanced 0,7V Input sensitivity for rated output HT 6,5V Rated output power 10 % change in line voltage will give app. 20 % change in output power. 8 W 2 x 120 W 4 W 2 x 200 W 2 W 2 x 350 W Power consumption (no load or signal) 160 W Is there anything that can be "read" from how much power a piece of equipment uses? Does this speak to efficiency or just a useless measurement? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Mon Aug 13 07:35:46 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:35:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL & NR-100 Dolby C Unit Message-ID: <001901c123b9$cf9a4380$6605efd1@kevinrog> Hi All. I have finally picked up a NR-100 for my 1000ZXL, but it has 2 din plus marked 10 volt coming out of the back and there is no where on the back of the 1000ZXL to plug them in. Where does the NR-100 get its power? There is no mention in the manual of the NR-100 other than a picture on the back. Can anyone help? 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Aug 14 09:08:00 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:08:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Message-ID: <3B78CE50.62044F5@sunint.co.za> > Hi Neal: > > In my opinion, it's a very nice deck, with a return to the 'eighties styling' and is identical to the DR10 (a cool 800 pounds). If the price was right, I pick one up because is technically recent, so servicibility is good. Is this one in Cape Town? Anything below R3000.00 for a clean, relatively unblemished unit would be a good deal, I'd say. > > Regards, > > Marc > > >>> nealw at decillion.net 08/13/01 06:23PM >>> > > > A friend has a good deal on a DR 2 inperfect condition i wanted to know what > the group as a whole thought of the deck. > > Regards > Neal > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Marc Hugo Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:08:00 +0200 > Hi Neal: > > In my opinion, it's a very nice deck, with a return to the 'eighties styling' and is identical to the DR10 (a cool 800 pounds). If the price was right, I pick one up because is technically recent, so servicibility is good. Is this one in Cape Town? Anything below R3000.00 for a clean, relatively unblemished unit would be a good deal, I'd say. > > Regards, > > Marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 10:20:37 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:20:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Message-ID: George, As far as I know, the Cassette Deck 1 is mechanically identical to DR1, Cassette Deck 1.5 to DR2 and DR10 and Cassette Deck 2 to DR3 and DR8. The prices for DR10 and 8 are unbelievably expensive! Experts, please correct me if I am wrong! >From: "George Valkov" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-2 >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:26:11 +0300 > >I thought DR-10 is three-head and DR-2 is two-head ? > >George > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Marc Hugo >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:08:00 +0200 > > > Hi Neal: > > > > In my opinion, it's a very nice deck, with a return to the 'eighties >styling' and is identical to the DR10 (a cool 800 pounds). If the price >was >right, I pick one up because is technically recent, so servicibility is >good. Is this one in Cape Town? Anything below R3000.00 for a clean, >relatively unblemished unit would be a good deal, I'd say. > > > > Regards, > > > > Marc > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 10:31:59 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak ICE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010814083159.72161.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> John, What kind of amps and speakers will you be using? Can't go wrong with your selection on source units!! Jeff PS I would think the TD 1200II would outperform the 1000TD. PPS I was in a Japanese magazine store the other day and was drooling over the mb 1000 (7 disc Nak auto changer)that mates up with the 1000TD (it lists at 150,000Y=$1250 US) It looks like a vault. Not sure if it is still available in the States. Also, not sure if it can be purchased separately back in the States...I think it must be purchaed as a package with the 1000TD. All cool stuff! If we could only completely hide the stuff from would be car stereo thieves! --- winnie pooh wrote: > > John, > > Sounds like its going to be an excellent ICE setup! > Does anyone have any > experience with the Nak 1000TD? From the looks and > features, I suspect it is > a TD-700 updated to include CD changer control. Do > you know how much it > retails for? Apparently it is only available in USA. > > > >From: "John M. Smokevitch" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT > system vs. separate > >2-channel&HT systems > >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:41:45 -0400 > > > >Trying to decide btwn MB-100 and CD-700. I'd > prefer CD-700, but I'm afraid > >it's going > >to be too expensive. I plan to use the aux input > on whichever one I get to > >feed the > >output from my TD-1200II into it. So that way I'll > have FM, AM & CD > >through either the > >MB-100 or the CD-700, and I'll have cassette > playback through my TD-1200II > >which, as > >you are probably aware, is a Dragon for the car. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 10:51:41 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:51:41 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Message-ID: I guess you're right, DR-2 is 3-head without the manual pb azimuth control. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "winnie pooh" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:20:37 +0000 George, As far as I know, the Cassette Deck 1 is mechanically identical to DR1, Cassette Deck 1.5 to DR2 and DR10 and Cassette Deck 2 to DR3 and DR8. The prices for DR10 and 8 are unbelievably expensive! Experts, please correct me if I am wrong! >From: "George Valkov" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-2 >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:26:11 +0300 > >I thought DR-10 is three-head and DR-2 is two-head ? > >George > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Marc Hugo >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:08:00 +0200 > > > Hi Neal: > > > > In my opinion, it's a very nice deck, with a return to the 'eighties >styling' and is identical to the DR10 (a cool 800 pounds). If the price >was >right, I pick one up because is technically recent, so servicibility is >good. Is this one in Cape Town? Anything below R3000.00 for a clean, >relatively unblemished unit would be a good deal, I'd say. > > > > Regards, > > > > Marc > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Aug 14 10:27:37 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:27:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B02D43E@CPT-01> Yes its in Cape town , i'm not sure of the price but definately below R 3000 -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 14 August 2001 09:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-2 Hi Neal: In my opinion, it's a very nice deck, with a return to the 'eighties styling' and is identical to the DR10 (a cool 800 pounds). If the price was right, I pick one up because is technically recent, so servicibility is good. Is this one in Cape Town? Anything below R3000.00 for a clean, relatively unblemished unit would be a good deal, I'd say. 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Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:08:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ICE References: <20010814083159.72161.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B797735.FAAC7C85@snip.net> Jeff, I'm planning to use a/d/s 346is in the rear deck crossed over to a pair of Nakamichi SP-80's for the sub's & driven by an a/d/s P4100 (100W x 4 into 4 ohms). For the front, I'm undecided between another set of a/d/s 346is's or maybe the a/d/s 335c (if I really want to go high end). For an amp, I'm thiniking of another a/d/s at 100W x 2 into 4ohms or a similarly rated Nakamichi. I have a really excellent sub in its own enclosure which I can use in the trunk instead of the SP-80's in the rear deck, but it takes up a lot of trunk space and would have to be taken out when you take a trip and need the trunk for luggage, etc., so that's why I want to try the SP-80's in the rear deck to see if they'll work OK. J wrote: > John, > > What kind of amps and speakers will you be using? Can't go wrong with your selection > on source units!! > > Jeff > > PS I would think the TD 1200II would outperform the 1000TD. Yes and no. As a cassette tape player, without a doubt the TD-1200II is without peer, but the FM reception is lousy and you do not have an aux input which the 1000TD has (I'm not sure whether the 1000TD has Nak's changer control feature which, if it did, would allow it to contorl one of Nak's Music Bank CD changers). Also the TD-1200II has a much better pre-amp section, but without an aux input and with the lousy FM, that doesn't help you that much and adds expense because if you are going to run it into the aux input of a Nak CD player or changer, you want to be sure that its pre-amp is at least equal to that of the 1200II. The CD700's pre-amp is better and that of the MB-100 is close but probably a little worse. > > PPS I was in a Japanese magazine store the other day and was drooling over the mb > 1000 (7 disc Nak auto > changer)that mates up with the 1000TD (it lists at 150,000Y=$1250 US) It looks like > a vault. Not sure > if it is still available in the States. Also, not sure if it can be purchased > separately back in the States...I think it must be purchaed as a package with the > 1000TD. All cool stuff! If we could only completely hide the stuff from would be > car stereo thieves! > > > --- winnie pooh wrote: > John, > > Sounds like its going to be an excellent ICE setup! Does anyone have any experience > with the Nak 1000TD? From the looks and features, I suspect it is a TD-700 updated to > include CD changer control. Do you know how much it retails for? Apparently it is > only available in USA. > > > From: "John M. Smokevitch" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Warranties - Integrated HT system vs. separate 2-channel&HT > systems > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:41:45 -0400 > > Trying to decide btwn MB-100 and CD-700. I'd prefer CD-700, but I'm afraid it's > going to be too expensive. I plan to use the aux input on whichever one I get to > feed the output from my TD-1200II into it. So that way I'll have FM, AM & CD through > either the MB-100 or the CD-700, and I'll have cassette > playback through my TD-1200II which, as you are probably aware, is a Dragon for the > car. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Aug 14 22:37:13 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:37:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg and Eumig References: <3B797735.FAAC7C85@snip.net> Message-ID: Hi All! Have a question - any one has a service manual and user manual for Tandberg TCD310? Any one with expirience with this deck? Some impressions - definitely non-comparable to any Nak. However it's an old model so no surprise for me. Sounds compressed, with much less headroom than any Nak. Ads colouration to sound. Voices sound different. But not bad at all - I've heard a lot much worst decks in my life. BTW I got it for my A&D GX-Z7100 deck ;-)))) And about Eumig. I was realy impressed with recent discussion about this brand. Couple days ago I got inside of it.... (1000 one) Oh, well, really strange transport. I don't like it period Small capstain flyweel (there is only one capstain!) driven by small motor by gear! Lots of small badly wearable plastick parts... Not to mention glass-ferrite *akailike* heads.... So it's looks impressing from the outside and really disapointing from the inside. May be good for display but I'd prefer any Nak for listening and recording. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 21:41:14 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:41:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment References: <002d01c12191$c7cf2320$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Hi Kannan ! Very interesting to talk about DIY jigs. Congratulation for your own made ! Actually, I am working on two 680ZX right now. My first 'own client' ones. These decks are leaved to me by a service centre that have no time to spend on, since the decks belong to the boss budy, budy that is ... the Geneva's Nakamichi specialised dealer since 1977 ! He want to have one fully working and allows me to cannibalize the other.(but I am not that hot to do such !!!) The main deck was supposed to have "unstable auto azimuth cal". Quite normal, no electronical problem. the results were fluctuations in level . the phase was also affected. logical when uneven tape tension as you will see.. After some checks, I find the deck absolutely misaligned... - Both Capstan flywhells were moving crazy back/forward. The most I ever seen ! -A Thrust Screw is broken, but by luck just to the level of the flywhell plate ass'y (repaired temporarly with cyanolite for the overall check) -Rec and Playback heads tilt (zenith) and height amazingly way off !!! These misalignements are due to an ancient revision that was not ended. How did I check Zenith, me that haven't Nak jigs ? By the wealthier way possible, and I would be interessted you try it to check differences between your Nak jig results and the method I describe under. In a cassette transport, there is something that is a non disscusible source of flatness and horizontallity . Something that between, pass the tape. And you know that I speak of the capstans. I find secure to adjust tilt of the heads with a flatness plate on that I give moderate pressure on at the level of the head with one finger, and with the other press lightly on the capstan side to detect any imperfection of the flatness. Correct if you can find a free hand ;o) The adjustment sould done be head after head and ever with the capstan for reference. Re-check once the stopper screw is placed. (Kannan, your method makes me think about to check after this work for an eventual imperfection between the heads together, this once without the capstan reference ! In case, I would take the playback head for reference for the final adjustment. But I still wonder about the accuracy and more about how can we feel so little imperfection in a spacement about ~6 mm between each heads top. When you take the capstan for reference, it is spaced a lot from the head, leading to an amplification of the error. The most subbtle imperfection is fell. Our touching sence have its thershold, so we need the amplification I speak of above. ) Oh! and a step further, you can obtain better results if the pinch rollers are engaged against capstans. (like that they are placed as per normal function of PB, having in mind the bearings can be worned) Of course all the surfaces should be absolutlly cleansed. I have not yet Nak test tapes, BUT I own some couple of TDK MA-XG. (Both types) Frequencies recorded on the 1000ZXL of a friend on one of these cassettes are great tool for me . I use a blank MA-XG for Height & Azimuth of the rec head. Best regards, Hope it help Nak lovers. Matyas > The tilt is adjusted assuming that the tilt screws ( all the three are > almost exact in length) Screw them fully inside without the central > adjusting gear piece. Fix the central gear and screw that in opposite > direction to get the head back to approximate central position. > > I also use one half of cassette shell with a cardboard spacer of 1.8mm kept > over the inner face. I adjust the head side face to fully sit on this spacer > face taking care that it is parellel to cassette inner face at the head > location. This method I found slightly off from actuall tilt gauge but > without spending a fortune. Use a good cassette shell to do this! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 22:58:01 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:58:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape Message-ID: Hi Stefen, I need some clarifications.. Nakamichi 400 Hz level cassette's reference number is terminated with a letter. Along the years, it used to be changed. Does the level recorded on the earlier ones i.e. 1978 one match the i.e. 1981 cassette ? What are differences ? I own of Naks, two 582, 680ZX, Dragon, LX-3, 600II, owned a 480z, I use to handle sometimes a 1000ZXL of a friend. I remark for long now that the 1000ZXL 0 dB is ~ +2 dB louder than the level generated and recorded by my Naks that are uniform in levels in + /- 0.5 dB for their 400 Hz. I work actually on a 680ZX that seem to be aligned like the 1000ZXL, said + 1.7 dB.(plays back -1.7 dB a cassette made on Dragon ) I think that I can explain it, but I want your advise. I suppose the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX on question were both serviced by a non Nak expert. At least, this is evident for the 680ZX ! (if you read my other message 'zenith alignement') Nak 400 Hz reference level is 200 nW/m TDK 315 Hz reference level is 250 nW/m (standard test cassette, are they to this level ?) I don't know if we can do it but it appears that if you calculate the dB ratio of nW/M like voltage, the difference is about the values I measure: 1.94 dB. Can this prove the 1000ZXL of my budy is not properly calibrated on PB level? but perform like a dream, and no Dolby artifacts are noted...strange for a PB level trouble...does 1000ZXL is supposed to be set for 250 nW/m ? Is that normal ? Thank a lot ! Regards Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 14 23:05:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:05:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what does all this mean? References: Message-ID: <3B7992B3.D91A7B32@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Please forgive me as I "tap" the collective wisdom of this group again. > (smile) As many of you know, I am researching and learning more about > audiophile equipment as I prepare to upgrade my home system. What I would > like to ask you all is how do I interpret the statistical data or technical > specifications for a particular piece of equipment? If I knew what the > standard or ranges were I could better appreciate what I'm reading when > reviewing a piece of equipment. > > For example, listed below are the technical specifications for the > Electrocompaniant Integrated amplifier. Can someone tell me what is the > standard for these specifications? Please respond offline from NakTalkers > and I thank you in advance for your help with this very unique request. > > -SamTheCR-7Man! > > Electrocompaniant ECI-4 Integrated Amplifier: > ( http://www.electrocompaniet.no/t-eci4.htm ) With the meager specs normally provided, don't expect the published data to tell you how an amp sounds. However, the following are a few explanations/comments. Hope they help. > Preamplifier section > > Nominal Input impedance 330Kohm You will find input impedances from 10Kohm to about 0.5Mohm. This spec is fairly non critical and only meaningful in conjunction with output impedance of the driving component. IOW, don't worry about it. > Max. input level > 10 Volt RMS > > Equivalent input noise < 4 µV > For example, should the above number be "3" or better, or anything less than > "5"? > > Pre-out gain balanced output (XLR) 1,37x > Pre-out gain single output (RCA) 1,25x All these are only significant in conjunction with input sensitivity. See below. > Amplifier section > > Main voltage 120 V / 240 V. Self explanatory. Since you live in the States and use 110V, it's a don't care for you. > Clipping point of the amplifier is set to a level > where total harmonic distortion (THD) is 0.2 %. > > Again, for the clipping specification what is considered the standard? > Anything less than .1% is considered good? Anything less than .5%? Meaningless spec. It simply says that all other specs that relate to output power are referred to THD=0.2%. You'd get substantially the same numbers if reference THD was 0.1% or 0.5% > Output Impedance (20 Hz -20 kHz) < 0,01 W I assume this 'W' means 'Ohms' (Greek 'Omega', not Latin 'W'). In general, output impedance is important to determine DF (damping factor). DF=(nominal output impdance)/(actual output impedance) In theory, the higher DF the better. You hear numbers in the 150 to 500 range. In this case, DF = 8ohms/0.01ohms = 800 which is a super duper spec (that, frankly, I find difficult to believe). Too bad they do not specify at what frequency. DF is rarely, if ever, constant across the frequency range. > For example, and this is a baby question - but does this stat translate that > anything outside of these ranges will not be produced? No, only that the spec applies over this range. > I always believed > that companies used this specification range as it is believed to be the > average person's range of hearing, and that most equipment performs well > within these ranges. That's correct. > Max. peak current > 80 A Assuming this is the output drive current, that's an excellent, excellent spec. It tends to gives credence to the 10 milliohm output impedance claim. It means that the amp doesn't really care about speaker cables capacitance and that it will drive just about any speaker load you wish to throw at it, including pretty difficult ones. Aurally, it's meaningful only if you do have such speakers, located far from the amp. The more mundane specs of lesser amps (maybe, 20A and up for good amps) will do just fine in most situations. Expect 'open', unstrained, sound from this amp. > THD (measured at 1 kHz half power, 8 W) < 0,007 % > THD (measured at 1 kHz -1 dB 8 W) < 0,008 % Not as meaningful as the same spec, when it applies to the whole audio range (20Hz to 20KHz). Reason is that 0.01% THD at 1KHz can accompany 1% (or even much more) at 30Hz and 18KHz. Also, most common measurement points are at full power (here, it's 0.2%, as stated earlier?) and at very low power (say, 1W) -- both, critical points. OTOH, I must assume that an Engineer that took care to produce such excellent output specs did the same for THD across the band and at all power levels, spec incompleteness notwithstanding. > Input sensitivity for rated output single ended 1,4V > Input sensitivity for rated output balanced 0,7V > Input sensitivity for rated output HT 6,5V I am not sure what that last line means (what's HT?). As to the first line, using the spec'ed 1.25 gain of the preamp, you need 1.4V/1.25 = 1.12V at the preamp input for full output. This is very low input sensitivity, but still kinda adequate, depending on source devices. Common sensitivity figures are about 1/5 that (about 14db higher gain). This is still OK, just not very common. BTW, Noise performance is excellent, being 4uV under 1.12V. This translates to S/N ratio of 109db referenced to full power. I'll believe this when I see it on a meter display or, at least, if a peek at the schematic shows that balanced configuration is used throughout. It rivals the noise performance of the best high end CD players > Rated output power > > 10 % change in line voltage will give app. 20 % change in output power. > 8 W 2 x 120 W > 4 W 2 x 200 W > 2 W 2 x 350 W I assume the first 'W' in each line again represents Greek Omega (ohms). Power requirements depend on sensitivity of your speakers. This is more than adequate with just about any speakers I can think of, in any home sized listening room. Two comments: first, with such a low output impedance, I would expect (almost) doubled power output with each halving of the load impedance, which is not the case here. OTOH, this is a minimum spec, not a measurement of a specific sample. Actual amps may meet the expected ratio. Second, the high dependence on supply voltage seems to indicate a very simplistic power supply. No big deal, just an observation. Third, I like the fact that they spec output power into 2 ohms. This implies (though not stated) stability at high current drive. > Power consumption (no load or signal) 160 W > Is there anything that can be "read" from how much power a piece of equipment > uses? Does this speak to efficiency or just a useless measurement? The latter. Since they do not specify input power at full output power, efficiency cannot be calculated, nor is it usually a concern. This spec does tell you that this is not a class A amp -- probably, class AB biased well into the A region. Expect it to run fairly hot. Bottom line: This looks like an excellent amp, in spite of the incomplete specs. I assume this is a fairly expensive piece of machinery. I would take a very careful audition, paying special attention to these points (related to my comments on the specs): 1. Play at very low level, look for cleanliness and transparency. String symphony kind of music is good for this. 2. Repeat at extremely high levels (but don't blow the speakers). 3. Listen to cymbal crashes and piano attacks at moderately high levels, look for stability and lack of ringing. I would also take a peak under the hood. High current amps better be well built for reasonable long life. Look for lots of heatsinking in the output stage, lots of storage (large caps) in the power supply, sturdy construction and quality components. After running for a while, output device heatsinks should be comfortable to the touch. Scorching hot is not good... Hope this helps, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 14 23:12:41 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:12:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL & NR-100 Dolby C Unit References: <001901c123b9$cf9a4380$6605efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: <3B799449.16FD0F1A@concentric.net> > Kevin Rogers wrote: > > Hi All. I have finally picked up a NR-100 for my 1000ZXL, > but it has 2 din plus marked 10 volt coming out of the > back and there is no where on the back of the 1000ZXL to > plug them in. Where does the NR-100 get its power? There > is no mention in the manual of the NR-100 other than a > picture on the back. Can anyone help? > > Kevin Rogers See the 1000ZXL manual, page 4, items 46 & 47 in the drawing. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 14 23:21:51 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:21:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3B79966F.70CEC1AB@concentric.net> Brett Dickel wrote: > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with the > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > trouble except the Denon. > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 or 6 > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but I > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a hefty > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > either......why should the Denon struggle? I don't know... If it's important to you, try another 3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That will point to what's happening. I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to HT? -- Ron > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was difficult > (to enjoy) :-( > > Brett > ---------------------------------------------- > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Brett, > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > >'difficult to drive'. > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > >sensitive. > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > >highs, > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > >instrument separately from the others. > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > >could require speaker replacement. > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > >with me, > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can establish > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually when i > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the damage > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window > > even more. > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from memory > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A Perreaux > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were improvements on > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from that > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > twenty year > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance towards bass > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > > overall > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow > > a faulty > > > > > unit. > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" was open > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are MASSIVELY > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > > receivers, > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward slide > > > > for more > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on my "avoid > > > > like > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely > > better & > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my > > "avoid " > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. separate > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the > > > > life. No > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > separate > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution > > using Nak > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > working plus > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > > > better for > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck > > AV pre / > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch performance > > > > with old > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > > noticed > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > separate > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to integrate the > > > > two into > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Wed Aug 15 03:58:44 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:58:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <3B79966F.70CEC1AB@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000b01c1252d$d1111c00$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> as a data point, my rotel rb-880 (with slightly higher bias than spec) loves estats. erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 15 02:39:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:39:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg and Eumig References: <3B797735.FAAC7C85@snip.net> Message-ID: <036e01c12522$b8cad1a0$123442cf@sank1> Believe it or not, that tiny, cheap looking capstan motor system in the Eumig will yield below 0.02% wow/flutter if it is working right. I was shocked the first time I tested one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg and Eumig > Hi All! > > Have a question - any one has a service manual and user manual for > Tandberg TCD310? Any one with expirience with this deck? > Some impressions - definitely non-comparable to any Nak. However it's an > old model so no surprise for me. Sounds compressed, with much less > headroom than any Nak. Ads colouration to sound. Voices sound different. > But not bad at all - I've heard a lot much worst decks in my life. > BTW I got it for my A&D GX-Z7100 deck ;-)))) > > And about Eumig. I was realy impressed with recent discussion about > this brand. Couple days ago I got inside of it.... (1000 one) > Oh, well, really strange transport. I don't like it period > Small capstain flyweel (there is only one capstain!) driven by small motor by gear! > Lots of small badly wearable plastick parts... > Not to mention glass-ferrite *akailike* heads.... So it's looks impressing > from the outside and really disapointing from the inside. May be good for > display but I'd prefer any Nak for listening and recording. > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 15 02:42:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:42:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment References: <002d01c12191$c7cf2320$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <037401c12523$33123980$123442cf@sank1> Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > Hi Kannan ! > > Very interesting to talk about DIY jigs. > Congratulation for your own made ! > > Actually, I am working on two 680ZX right now. My first 'own client' ones. > These decks are leaved to me by a service centre that have no time to spend > on, since the decks belong to the boss budy, budy that is ... the Geneva's > Nakamichi specialised dealer since 1977 ! > He want to have one fully working and allows me to cannibalize the > other.(but I am not that hot to do such !!!) > The main deck was supposed to have "unstable auto azimuth cal". > > Quite normal, no electronical problem. > the results were fluctuations in level . the phase was also affected. > logical when uneven tape tension as you will see.. > > After some checks, I find the deck absolutely misaligned... > - Both Capstan flywhells were moving crazy back/forward. The most I ever > seen ! > > -A Thrust Screw is broken, but by luck just to the level of the flywhell > plate ass'y (repaired temporarly with cyanolite for the overall check) > > -Rec and Playback heads tilt (zenith) and height amazingly way off !!! > > These misalignements are due to an ancient revision that was not ended. > > How did I check Zenith, me that haven't Nak jigs ? > > By the wealthier way possible, and I would be interessted you try it to > check differences between your Nak jig results and the method I describe > under. > > In a cassette transport, there is something that is a non disscusible source > of flatness and horizontallity . > Something that between, pass the tape. > And you know that I speak of the capstans. > > I find secure to adjust tilt of the heads with a flatness plate on that I > give moderate pressure on at the level of the head with one finger, and with > the other press lightly on the capstan side to detect any imperfection of > the flatness. Correct if you can find a free hand ;o) > > The adjustment sould done be head after head and ever with the capstan for > reference. > > Re-check once the stopper screw is placed. > > (Kannan, your method makes me think about to check after this work for an > eventual imperfection between the heads together, this once without the > capstan reference ! In case, I would take the playback head for reference > for the final adjustment. But I still wonder about the accuracy and more > about how can we feel so little imperfection in a spacement about ~6 mm > between each heads top. When you take the capstan for reference, it is > spaced a lot from the head, leading to an amplification of the error. The > most subbtle imperfection is fell. Our touching sence have its thershold, so > we need the amplification I speak of above. ) > > Oh! and a step further, you can obtain better results if the pinch rollers > are engaged against capstans. (like that they are placed as per normal > function of PB, having in mind the bearings can be worned) > > Of course all the surfaces should be absolutlly cleansed. > > I have not yet Nak test tapes, BUT I own some couple of TDK MA-XG. (Both > types) > Frequencies recorded on the 1000ZXL of a friend on one of these cassettes > are great tool for me . > > I use a blank MA-XG for Height & Azimuth of the rec head. > > Best regards, Hope it help Nak lovers. > Matyas > > > > The tilt is adjusted assuming that the tilt screws ( all the three are > > almost exact in length) Screw them fully inside without the central > > adjusting gear piece. Fix the central gear and screw that in opposite > > direction to get the head back to approximate central position. > > > > I also use one half of cassette shell with a cardboard spacer of 1.8mm > kept > > over the inner face. I adjust the head side face to fully sit on this > spacer > > face taking care that it is parellel to cassette inner face at the head > > location. This method I found slightly off from actuall tilt gauge but > > without spending a fortune. Use a good cassette shell to do this! > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 15 02:49:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:49:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape References: Message-ID: <037e01c12524$1c8f7aa0$123442cf@sank1> I actually have no clue why Nak changes the ending letters on the test tape part numbers. I have seen no actual differences between one letter & another. The 200nW Nak 400Hz tape is the correct one for all Naks, with consideration that some models are 1V=0VU & others are 0.5V=0VU. Always keep in mind that Nak uses the dBv scale(1V=0dBv), where Teac & others use the dBm scale(0dB= 0.775V). So, the 1000ZXL was clearly miscalibrated with a Teac or other test tape. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > Hi Stefen, I need some clarifications.. > > Nakamichi 400 Hz level cassette's reference number is terminated with a > letter. Along the years, it used to be changed. > > Does the level recorded on the earlier ones i.e. 1978 one match the i.e. > 1981 cassette ? > What are differences ? > > I own of Naks, two 582, 680ZX, Dragon, LX-3, 600II, owned a 480z, I use to > handle sometimes a 1000ZXL of a friend. > I remark for long now that the 1000ZXL 0 dB is ~ +2 dB louder than the level > generated and recorded by my Naks that are uniform in levels in + /- 0.5 dB > for their 400 Hz. > > I work actually on a 680ZX that seem to be aligned like the 1000ZXL, said + > 1.7 dB.(plays back -1.7 dB a cassette made on Dragon ) > > I think that I can explain it, but I want your advise. > > I suppose the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX on question were both serviced by a non > Nak expert. > At least, this is evident for the 680ZX ! (if you read my other message > 'zenith alignement') > > Nak 400 Hz reference level is 200 nW/m > TDK 315 Hz reference level is 250 nW/m (standard test cassette, are they to > this level ?) > > I don't know if we can do it but it appears that if you calculate the dB > ratio of nW/M like voltage, the difference is about the values I measure: > 1.94 dB. > > Can this prove the 1000ZXL of my budy is not properly calibrated on PB > level? > but perform like a dream, and no Dolby artifacts are noted...strange for a > PB level trouble...does 1000ZXL is supposed to be set for 250 nW/m ? > > Is that normal ? > > Thank a lot ! > Regards > Matyas > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 15 05:40:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:40:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - what does all this mean? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2001 4:10:35 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I would also take a peak under the hood. High current amps better be well built for reasonable long life. Look for lots of heatsinking in the output stage, lots of storage (large caps) in the power supply, sturdy construction and quality components. After running for a while, output device heatsinks should be comfortable to the touch. Scorching hot is not good... Hope this helps, -- Ron >> Ron, thank you! Your information is a BIG help. You guys are gonna make an audiophile out of me yet! (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 15 05:41:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:41:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT sy... Message-ID: For those of you who enjoy this discussion thread, I would recommend reading this month's Stereophile Magazine debate titled "Stereo vs. 5.1" Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Aug 15 07:06:34 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:36:34 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Message-ID: <004801c12548$0e8d5160$42d60192@vsnl> I agree that Matya's innovative solution is really amazing- but still if he can give a Photo or sketch to show his method it will be helpful to understand it better. He has approached the solution like any good mechanical Engineer looks for measuring techniques! I felt slight variation in flatness is not such a problem as the tape is flexible and is passing over the head with a slight tape tension. and anyday perfection will be still worthwhile ----- tilt gauge at 600$ plus??? ?. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matyas" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:41 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > > >> Hi Kannan ! >> >> Very interesting to talk about DIY jigs. >> Congratulation for your own made ! >> >> Actually, I am working on two 680ZX right now. My first 'own client' ones. >> These decks are leaved to me by a service centre that have no time to >spend >> on, since the decks belong to the boss budy, budy that is ... the Geneva's >> Nakamichi specialised dealer since 1977 ! >> He want to have one fully working and allows me to cannibalize the >> other.(but I am not that hot to do such !!!) >> The main deck was supposed to have "unstable auto azimuth cal". >> >> Quite normal, no electronical problem. >> the results were fluctuations in level . the phase was also affected. >> logical when uneven tape tension as you will see.. >> >> After some checks, I find the deck absolutely misaligned... >> - Both Capstan flywhells were moving crazy back/forward. The most I ever >> seen ! >> >> -A Thrust Screw is broken, but by luck just to the level of the flywhell >> plate ass'y (repaired temporarly with cyanolite for the overall check) >> >> -Rec and Playback heads tilt (zenith) and height amazingly way off !!! >> >> These misalignements are due to an ancient revision that was not ended. >> >> How did I check Zenith, me that haven't Nak jigs ? >> >> By the wealthier way possible, and I would be interessted you try it to >> check differences between your Nak jig results and the method I describe >> under. >> >> In a cassette transport, there is something that is a non disscusible >source >> of flatness and horizontallity . >> Something that between, pass the tape. >> And you know that I speak of the capstans. >> >> I find secure to adjust tilt of the heads with a flatness plate on that I >> give moderate pressure on at the level of the head with one finger, and >with >> the other press lightly on the capstan side to detect any imperfection of >> the flatness. Correct if you can find a free hand ;o) >> >> The adjustment sould done be head after head and ever with the capstan for >> reference. >> >> Re-check once the stopper screw is placed. >> >> (Kannan, your method makes me think about to check after this work for an >> eventual imperfection between the heads together, this once without the >> capstan reference ! In case, I would take the playback head for reference >> for the final adjustment. But I still wonder about the accuracy and more >> about how can we feel so little imperfection in a spacement about ~6 mm >> between each heads top. When you take the capstan for reference, it is >> spaced a lot from the head, leading to an amplification of the error. The >> most subbtle imperfection is fell. Our touching sence have its thershold, >so >> we need the amplification I speak of above. ) >> >> Oh! and a step further, you can obtain better results if the pinch rollers >> are engaged against capstans. (like that they are placed as per normal >> function of PB, having in mind the bearings can be worned) >> >> Of course all the surfaces should be absolutlly cleansed. >> >> I have not yet Nak test tapes, BUT I own some couple of TDK MA-XG. (Both >> types) >> Frequencies recorded on the 1000ZXL of a friend on one of these cassettes >> are great tool for me . >> >> I use a blank MA-XG for Height & Azimuth of the rec head. >> >> Best regards, Hope it help Nak lovers. >> Matyas >> >> >> > The tilt is adjusted assuming that the tilt screws ( all the three are >> > almost exact in length) Screw them fully inside without the central >> > adjusting gear piece. Fix the central gear and screw that in opposite >> > direction to get the head back to approximate central position. >> > >> > I also use one half of cassette shell with a cardboard spacer of 1.8mm >> kept >> > over the inner face. I adjust the head side face to fully sit on this >> spacer >> > face taking care that it is parellel to cassette inner face at the head >> > location. This method I found slightly off from actuall tilt gauge but >> > without spending a fortune. Use a good cassette shell to do this! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 15 10:27:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:27:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Message-ID: <20010815082701.PELS8694.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Kannan / Matyas, Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? it's not azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet to try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is 'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly see tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part to ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck this method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb head stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front plate) or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? I want to share one tidbit after correcting weird problem on my 482. This one was a toughie ... I put in 682 pb head which looks almost brand new with no visible wear *at all* into my 482 ... however, high freq starts to roll off at 11k ! In the end (several weeks later) I noticed the totally worn out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure you won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this rec head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize that this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it involved that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I think I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). Best regards, Salim SM PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying to align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid plastic stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. ------ > I agree that Matya's innovative solution is really amazing- but still if he > can give a Photo or sketch to show his method it will be helpful to > understand it better. He has approached the solution like any good > mechanical Engineer looks for measuring techniques! > > I felt slight variation in flatness is not such a problem as the tape is > flexible and is passing over the head with a slight tape tension. and anyday > perfection will be still worthwhile ----- tilt gauge at 600$ plus??? ?. > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > > > >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Aug 15 14:20:21 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:20:21 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems In-Reply-To: <3B79966F.70CEC1AB@concentric.net> References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com> <001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki> <3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net> <027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm> <5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816001630.02079140@pop3.paradise.net.nz> I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with it made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded like it did...and different people will have different answers to this one. At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That >will point to what's happening. > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to >HT? > >-- Ron >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with the > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 or 6 > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but I > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a hefty > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was difficult > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > Brett > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Brett, > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > >sensitive. > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > >highs, > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > >with me, > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > establish > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually > when i > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > damage > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window > > > even more. > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from > memory > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > Perreaux > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > improvements on > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from > that > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > twenty year > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > towards bass > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > > > overall > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow > > > a faulty > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > was open > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > MASSIVELY > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > slide > > > > > for more > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > my "avoid > > > > > like > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely > > > better & > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my > > > "avoid " > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > separate > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > and the > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > separate > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution > > > using Nak > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > working plus > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > performance > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > > > noticed > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > separate > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > integrate the > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---========= > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Aug 15 17:36:16 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:36:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio Message-ID: <3B7A96F0.BF12E5B3@sunint.co.za> Hi, Sorry about this being off topic, but I'm trying to get a bit of info on World Space. Salim, I think it was you who mentioned that you have one of these World Space receivers, and you're not impressed..... What are the main shortcomings compared with reference sources, and for that matter, good FM. How does it compare with terrestrial digital transmission, such as BBC's "DAB". Does anyone have any information on the data compression/reduction employed for both/either Worldspace and DAB. The site for Worldspace is worthless hype. (As Ron rightly says, put together by the marketing dept) I heard they use one of the MPEG formats, but which one would it be, and what's the reduction ratio. If you prefer to get me off-list, please do. Thanks, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 18:02:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:02:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio References: <3B7A96F0.BF12E5B3@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <3B7A9D15.3A7ABB58@yahoo.com> Are you talking about shortwave? If so one word G R U N D I G Javier Marc Hugo wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry about this being off topic, but I'm trying to get a bit of info on > World Space. Salim, I think it was you who mentioned that you have one > of these World Space receivers, and you're not impressed..... What are > the main shortcomings compared with reference sources, and for that > matter, good FM. How does it compare with terrestrial digital > transmission, such as BBC's "DAB". Does anyone have any information on > the data compression/reduction employed for both/either Worldspace and > DAB. The site for Worldspace is worthless hype. (As Ron rightly says, > put together by the marketing dept) I heard they use one of the MPEG > formats, but which one would it be, and what's the reduction ratio. > > If you prefer to get me off-list, please do. > > Thanks, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 19:02:42 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:02:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com><001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki><3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net><027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm><5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010816001630.02079140@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <006d01c125ac$20f5b220$9865fea9@D9569601> Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on board dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the parasound). Thanks, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with it > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this one. > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > >will point to what's happening. > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > >HT? > > > >-- Ron > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with the > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 or 6 > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but I > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a hefty > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was difficult > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > Brett > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > >highs, > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > >with me, > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > establish > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. Actually > > when i > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > > damage > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the window > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These from > > memory > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never had a > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers are? > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > Perreaux > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > improvements on > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" from > > that > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon was. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > towards bass > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, the > > > > overall > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was somehow > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > > was open > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. On > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > > slide > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > > my "avoid > > > > > > like > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are barely > > > > better & > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on my > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > separate > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > and the > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price solution > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked much > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use megabuck > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, whatever > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > performance > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems ok. I > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase and > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo and > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the vast > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two separate > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > integrate the > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel free to > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with this > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---========= > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---========= > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Aug 15 19:59:07 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:59:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg and Eumig References: <036e01c12522$b8cad1a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Hm.... but still - I don't like single capstain and I don't like glass-ferrite heads :-) But GREAT LOOKING one ;-) Misha >Believe it or not, that tiny, cheap looking capstan motor system in the >Eumig will yield below 0.02% wow/flutter if it is working right. I was >shocked the first time I tested one. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 15 19:10:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:10:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio References: <3B7A96F0.BF12E5B3@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <003401c125ad$32db7e60$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Sorry for brief reply. In short, I think as a good analogy, it comprise of "bands" in which one band is limited to certain bandwidth. One station can use one or more band (additional cost) but if it uses only one band (very low bps), the sound is like "noiseless AM" quality. Once the station use more bands, it can achieve better bps and consequently better sound quality. It's all in the manual which I haven't read thoroughly yet. All I know is that I can tune to several stations with good music but lousy sound quality - or local stations with good quality but lousy music. Even the ones with good quality is still below average FM station. I foolishly thought that it is the DAB thing, turned out that I bought an low quality mp3 tuner ... otoh, sound coming from built in speaker is quite good, must've been eq'd out to the max. Either that, or the line out is made to sound real bad. But the teriffic thing is that you can bring it to a remote beach and still listen to good music 24 hrs (mine is hitachi portable version). Let me know if you need more from the manual (comp ratio etc). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio > Hi, > > Sorry about this being off topic, but I'm trying to get a bit of info on > World Space. Salim, I think it was you who mentioned that you have one > of these World Space receivers, and you're not impressed..... What are > the main shortcomings compared with reference sources, and for that > matter, good FM. How does it compare with terrestrial digital > transmission, such as BBC's "DAB". Does anyone have any information on > the data compression/reduction employed for both/either Worldspace and > DAB. The site for Worldspace is worthless hype. (As Ron rightly says, > put together by the marketing dept) I heard they use one of the MPEG > formats, but which one would it be, and what's the reduction ratio. > > If you prefer to get me off-list, please do. > > Thanks, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 19:39:43 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:39:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... Message-ID: <00a401c125b1$46dc0cf0$9865fea9@D9569601> A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). My questions are: a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on board > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > parasound). > > Thanks, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brett Dickel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > & HT systems > > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > it > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > one. > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > >HT? > > > > > >-- Ron > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > the > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > or 6 > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but > I > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > hefty > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > difficult > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > >highs, > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > establish > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > Actually > > > when i > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > > > damage > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > window > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > from > > > memory > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never > had a > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > are? > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > Perreaux > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > improvements on > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > from > > > that > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, > the > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > somehow > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > > > was open > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. > On > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > > > slide > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > barely > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on > my > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > separate > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > and the > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > vs. > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > solution > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked > much > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > megabuck > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > whatever > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > performance > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > ok. I > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > vs. > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > and > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo > and > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the > vast > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > separate > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > integrate the > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > free to > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with > this > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---========= > > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > >resource. > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 15 20:00:11 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <00a401c125b1$46dc0cf0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <008301c125b4$2c307a00$35031fac@brianm> Hi Carl, There is currently a couple on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263497112 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1265240653 Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > My questions are: > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > & HT systems > > > > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on > board > > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > > parasound). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brett Dickel" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT > systemvs.separate2-channel > > & HT systems > > > > > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > > it > > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying > to > > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it > sounded > > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > > one. > > > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > > >HT? > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > > the > > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > > or 6 > > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good > but > > I > > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > > hefty > > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > > difficult > > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > > >highs, > > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > > establish > > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > > Actually > > > > when i > > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt > "the > > > > damage > > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > > window > > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > > from > > > > memory > > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has > never > > had a > > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > > are? > > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > > Perreaux > > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > > improvements on > > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > > from > > > > that > > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away > my > > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more > power, > > the > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > > somehow > > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the > "window" > > > > was open > > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy > Yamaha. > > On > > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally > downward > > > > slide > > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes > on > > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > > barely > > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly > on > > my > > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end > separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > > and the > > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that > cost > > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for > both > > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from > Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end > separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > > solution > > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear > channel > > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, > worked > > much > > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > > megabuck > > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > > whatever > > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > > performance > > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > > ok. I > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > > and > > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby > Stereo > > and > > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask > the > > vast > > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > > separate > > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > > integrate the > > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > > free to > > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help > with > > this > > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---========= > > > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > >resource. > > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 20:03:29 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:03:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 here Message-ID: My RX505 has arrived and is in mint condition...not a single mark on it...even the window is perfect. This guy went to huge lengths to package this thing right. It is beautiful. I don't like the meter nearly as well as my Dragon, but it is a great looking deck. No azimuth adjustment on this one? What is the reel hub button for? Any other tricks on this deck I should know....I have no manual for it. Alex Cagann finall with two Naks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Scalnajim at aol.com Wed Aug 15 20:41:23 2001 From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:41:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL & NR-100 Dolby C Unit Message-ID: <11a.3305999.28ac1c53@aol.com> The other din plug provides power for the RM-300 remote. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 15 20:52:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:52:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <00a401c125b1$46dc0cf0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <057d01c125bb$7ae62620$123442cf@sank1> The MC240 is an extremely nice amp. It tends to be a little "darker" sounding than the MC275, but that can be good for some speakers. Might not be quite enough power to "crank" Linn's, but it's not an amp you pass up a good deal on. If it has the original tubes, DON'T replace them unless they are clearly bad. The original stock tubes, Telefunken 12AX7 & 12AU7, RCA 12BH7 & RCA or GE 6L6GC, are excellent & last for decades. Nothing currently made can touch them for sound or durability. If any need replacing, try to get "new old stock" of the same tubes, although it would be a bit livelier if you replace the Telefunkens with Amperex Holland tubes. Mint MC240's generally get $1200-1600. A good bit more if original box & paperwork are with. And a hundred or so more if the tube cage cover is with. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > My questions are: > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > & HT systems > > > > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on > board > > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > > parasound). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brett Dickel" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT > systemvs.separate2-channel > > & HT systems > > > > > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > > it > > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying > to > > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it > sounded > > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > > one. > > > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > > >HT? > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > > the > > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > > or 6 > > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good > but > > I > > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > > hefty > > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > > difficult > > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > > >highs, > > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > > establish > > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > > Actually > > > > when i > > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt > "the > > > > damage > > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > > window > > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > > from > > > > memory > > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has > never > > had a > > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > > are? > > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > > Perreaux > > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > > improvements on > > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > > from > > > > that > > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away > my > > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more > power, > > the > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > > somehow > > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the > "window" > > > > was open > > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy > Yamaha. > > On > > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally > downward > > > > slide > > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes > on > > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > > barely > > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly > on > > my > > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end > separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > > and the > > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that > cost > > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for > both > > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from > Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end > separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > > solution > > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear > channel > > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, > worked > > much > > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > > megabuck > > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > > whatever > > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > > performance > > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > > ok. I > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > > and > > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby > Stereo > > and > > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask > the > > vast > > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > > separate > > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > > integrate the > > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > > free to > > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help > with > > this > > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---========= > > > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > >resource. > > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > > > bgdickel at paradise.net.nz > > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 15 21:13:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What's wrong with people? Message-ID: <05af01c125be$6030a820$123442cf@sank1> I can't figure out for the life of me how the hell an OMS-7AII(worth <$200, IMO) is up to $320, soon to expire, on ebay, but a gorgeous PA-5, expiring tonight, is sitting there with no bids at $300 & is worth twice that. What is up with that?! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 15 21:18:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:18:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com><001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki><3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net><027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm><5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010816001630.02079140@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <006d01c125ac$20f5b220$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B7ACB01.FAF08CFD@concentric.net> In a nut shell, Brett auditioned the 3801 at home and found the sound to be frequency limited and generally deficient as compared to his old Technics receiver. I responded by saying I have heard the 3801 and found it to sound good -- nothing like Brett's experience. I offered some possible explanations as to what happened, one of which was that Brett's electrostatic speakers may be a difficult load for the Denon. -- Ron Carl Cobb wrote: > > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on board > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > parasound). > > Thanks, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brett Dickel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > & HT systems > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > it > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > one. > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > >HT? > > > > > >-- Ron > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > the > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > or 6 > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but > I > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > hefty > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > difficult > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > >highs, > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > establish > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > Actually > > > when i > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > > > damage > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > window > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > from > > > memory > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never > had a > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > are? > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > Perreaux > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > improvements on > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > from > > > that > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, > the > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > somehow > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > > > was open > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. > On > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > > > slide > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > barely > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on > my > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > separate > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > and the > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > vs. > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > solution > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked > much > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > megabuck > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > whatever > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > performance > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > ok. I > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > vs. > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > and > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo > and > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the > vast > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > separate > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > integrate the > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > free to > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with > this > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 21:20:18 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:20:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 Message-ID: I just opened her up and have a couple more opinions. Again, I'm no seasoned technician, but does this deck have good wow/flutter stats and other? The transport doesn't look nearly as nice or beefy as the one in the Dragon. It has two capstans but they are belt driven. I guess I expected a little more meat in this deck for a $1,500 when new piece. But...I don't know what I'm talking about really....so perhaps I have no reason to even think this. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 15 21:21:16 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:21:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL & NR-100 Dolby C Unit References: <11a.3305999.28ac1c53@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7ACBAC.83B71567@concentric.net> Scalnajim at aol.com wrote: > > The other din plug provides power for the RM-300 remote. > Yea, I realized I spoke too soon as soon as I clicked the SEND... Sorry. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 15 21:36:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:36:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What's wrong with people? References: <05af01c125be$6030a820$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7ACF47.58291DA4@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I can't figure out for the life of me how the hell an OMS-7AII(worth <$200, > IMO) is up to $320, soon to expire, on ebay, but a gorgeous PA-5, expiring > tonight, is sitting there with no bids at $300 & is worth twice that. What > is up with that?! > LOL... You notice that, too? I can't explain it, either. In one case, I put my car up for auction. It was a '95 Integra that a dealer offered me $12,000 for ($14,800 book value). I was inundated with emails from people that wanted it for $7000 or $8000... In another case, I wanted the booklet that came with a record anthology. I bid on it and won. Took the book out, turned around and put it, sans the book, on auction again. It fetched *much more* than what I paid, plus shipping... In another case I wanted a spare battery for my camcorder. These go for about $50 locally, about $30 mail order. I bid on one, starting price $1. No other bid came up. The seller padded the shipping -- I still got it for $6. Wow! What a deal... Ebay is a jungle. There are the predators, the victims and the yahoos. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 15 21:51:10 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:51:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What's wrong with people? References: <05af01c125be$6030a820$123442cf@sank1> <3B7ACF47.58291DA4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00f301c125c3$a3044120$35031fac@brianm> >Ebay is a jungle. There are the predators, the victims and the yahoos. Too funny!!!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's wrong with people? > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I can't figure out for the life of me how the hell an OMS-7AII(worth <$200, > > IMO) is up to $320, soon to expire, on ebay, but a gorgeous PA-5, expiring > > tonight, is sitting there with no bids at $300 & is worth twice that. What > > is up with that?! > > > > LOL... You notice that, too? I can't explain it, either. > > In one case, I put my car up for auction. It was a '95 > Integra that a dealer offered me $12,000 for ($14,800 > book value). I was inundated with emails from people > that wanted it for $7000 or $8000... > > In another case, I wanted the booklet that came with a > record anthology. I bid on it and won. Took the book > out, turned around and put it, sans the book, on auction > again. It fetched *much more* than what I paid, plus > shipping... > > In another case I wanted a spare battery for my camcorder. > These go for about $50 locally, about $30 mail order. I > bid on one, starting price $1. No other bid came up. The > seller padded the shipping -- I still got it for $6. > Wow! What a deal... > > Ebay is a jungle. There are the predators, the victims > and the yahoos. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 22:19:42 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:19:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems References: <9.198b136b.28a36ecb@aol.com><001c01c1209e$783efcc0$43289bca@smarzuki><3B72E6BE.A00CD3F1@concentric.net><027401c1210d$49924a20$3c031fac@brianm><5.1.0.14.0.20010811183520.02755b40@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010812103336.026544c0@pop3.paradise.net.nz><5.1.0.14.0.20010813235305.020709f0@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <5.1.0.14.0.20010816001630.02079140@pop3.paradise.net.nz> <006d01c125ac$20f5b220$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B7ACB01.FAF08CFD@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c125c7$a01d5100$9865fea9@D9569601> Mine sounds fine; nothing special like a quality tube preamp but fine for what it is. regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems > > In a nut shell, Brett auditioned the 3801 at home and > found the sound to be frequency limited and generally > deficient as compared to his old Technics receiver. > > I responded by saying I have heard the 3801 and found > it to sound good -- nothing like Brett's experience. > I offered some possible explanations as to what happened, > one of which was that Brett's electrostatic speakers may > be a difficult load for the Denon. > > -- Ron > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on board > > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > > parasound). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brett Dickel" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > > & HT systems > > > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > > it > > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to > > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded > > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > > one. > > > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > > >HT? > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > > the > > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > > or 6 > > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but > > I > > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > > hefty > > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > > difficult > > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > > >highs, > > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > > establish > > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > > Actually > > > > when i > > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > > > > damage > > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > > window > > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > > from > > > > memory > > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never > > had a > > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > > are? > > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > > Perreaux > > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > > improvements on > > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > > from > > > > that > > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, > > the > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > > somehow > > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > > > > was open > > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. > > On > > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > > > > slide > > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > > barely > > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on > > my > > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > > and the > > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > > solution > > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked > > much > > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > > megabuck > > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > > whatever > > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > > performance > > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > > ok. I > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > > and > > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo > > and > > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the > > vast > > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > > separate > > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > > integrate the > > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > > free to > > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with > > this > > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 22:43:44 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:43:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what is this thing on ebay? kein 1000? References: <05af01c125be$6030a820$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006301c125ca$ffa06dd0$9865fea9@D9569601> What's the story on this thing; I vaguely recollect something called Eumig but never paid any attention as that was prior to my becoming interested in high end sound reproduction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1265039381 Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] What's wrong with people? > I can't figure out for the life of me how the hell an OMS-7AII(worth <$200, > IMO) is up to $320, soon to expire, on ebay, but a gorgeous PA-5, expiring > tonight, is sitting there with no bids at $300 & is worth twice that. What > is up with that?! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 23:28:47 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010815212847.24226.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> It's not the most spectacular design on the inside. Not as clean looking as a new Nak, but, somehow they made these decks really perform. It may not look like much, but, it's a hard one to beat. The wow/flutter is helped by the high mass flywheels. The don't look that beefy, but, they do the job. Most of the cost in these units is the unique transport. I bought a BX-300 new in 84-85 and it was $650. I couldn't imagine spending over double for the RX-505. The RX-202 maybe, but, with only two heads it wasn't much of contest against the 3 head BX-300. SJ --- Alex Cagann wrote: > I just opened her up and have a couple more > opinions. Again, I'm no > seasoned technician, but does this deck have good > wow/flutter stats and > other? The transport doesn't look nearly as nice or > beefy as the one in the > Dragon. It has two capstans but they are belt > driven. I guess I expected a > little more meat in this deck for a $1,500 when new > piece. But...I don't > know what I'm talking about really....so perhaps I > have no reason to even > think this. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 20:26:49 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:26:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape References: <037e01c12524$1c8f7aa0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen, you confort me in that 1000ZXL past story (third hand deck). Today I 've adjusted the tone level of 680ZX and its display dynamic range. Infact, when played in this deck, normal Nak tape level is -1dBV and Nak 1000zxl tape +1dBV. I think it is a good compromise to continue to adjust the whole machine without touching for the instance the PB level. ...And which Naks are 0.5V=0VU ? Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > I actually have no clue why Nak changes the ending letters on the test tape > part numbers. I have seen no actual differences between one letter & > another. > The 200nW Nak 400Hz tape is the correct one for all Naks, with consideration > that some models are 1V=0VU & others are 0.5V=0VU. Always keep in mind that > Nak uses the dBv scale(1V=0dBv), where Teac & others use the dBm scale(0dB= > 0.775V). So, the 1000ZXL was clearly miscalibrated with a Teac or other > test tape. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > > > > Hi Stefen, I need some clarifications.. > > > > Nakamichi 400 Hz level cassette's reference number is terminated with a > > letter. Along the years, it used to be changed. > > > > Does the level recorded on the earlier ones i.e. 1978 one match the i.e. > > 1981 cassette ? > > What are differences ? > > > > I own of Naks, two 582, 680ZX, Dragon, LX-3, 600II, owned a 480z, I use to > > handle sometimes a 1000ZXL of a friend. > > I remark for long now that the 1000ZXL 0 dB is ~ +2 dB louder than the > level > > generated and recorded by my Naks that are uniform in levels in + /- 0.5 > dB > > for their 400 Hz. > > > > I work actually on a 680ZX that seem to be aligned like the 1000ZXL, said > + > > 1.7 dB.(plays back -1.7 dB a cassette made on Dragon ) > > > > I think that I can explain it, but I want your advise. > > > > I suppose the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX on question were both serviced by a > non > > Nak expert. > > At least, this is evident for the 680ZX ! (if you read my other message > > 'zenith alignement') > > > > Nak 400 Hz reference level is 200 nW/m > > TDK 315 Hz reference level is 250 nW/m (standard test cassette, are they > to > > this level ?) > > > > I don't know if we can do it but it appears that if you calculate the dB > > ratio of nW/M like voltage, the difference is about the values I measure: > > 1.94 dB. > > > > Can this prove the 1000ZXL of my budy is not properly calibrated on PB > > level? > > but perform like a dream, and no Dolby artifacts are noted...strange for a > > PB level trouble...does 1000ZXL is supposed to be set for 250 nW/m ? > > > > Is that normal ? > > > > Thank a lot ! > > Regards > > Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 23:30:37 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:30:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment References: <20010815082701.PELS8694.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: Hi all ! Let's share ideas... ;o) I am quite intrigued on what is inventive in my method... I work as electronician apprentice, just starts 3rd year on 4. Just worked on Sony stuff, and Nakamichi at home. How did for example, Tandberg to adjust tilt on 3014 ? and any RTR deck manufacturer too ?? - Today I have thinked about a good flatness plate that each one can have be done for low cost. I read you on the plastic plate, I wouldn't trust it, because for this adjustment your touching sense is required, you must feel the angle at the surface of the capstan, by alternating the pressure back and forth. so I judge plastic is not adapted 'cause it is a damping matter. Plastic is too light, and its temperature coeficient make it having quickly the temperature of your fingers, as I said, it is more convinient to handle a consistant thing. What did you think about a very well machined plate of glass ? Non magnetic and inalterable !!! Ask your glazier for ! (for my part I am lucky to work in a service centre that have a lot of metal flatness plates, since we work on all series of Sony Betacam) Salim, I use to name tilt zenith because it is a more euphonic word to me and Zenith in french (that is my tongue) is the word for and in english too. By the Kannan's demand, here is a quick drawing. With explanations: - (for the first part, I show the tape path into phantom guide, during adjustment, there is no cassette nor tape in the deck) -The reference capstan is the take-up one (one the right side ). (because the plastic guide dont allow the passing of the plate) - (second drawing) Alternate the pressure back and forth at the place the head contacts the flatness plate, having a horizontal reference by the capstan, to determine if there is or not a clearence (I named it 'gap' on the drawing). To have a sufficient amplification of the error (clearence) (movment you can give to the plate between to contact points), the plate must be long, to pass after the TU capstan, you will notice if you use it that you feel better the movment if you place your finger on the lenght after capstan. As there is no place at the side of the head (especially for the PB one) you must apply a gentle pressure above the head through the plate. - With the other finger, (or one of the fingers that you can find on the extremity your other arm) give an alternated movment to detect the clearence on the capstan side. (this for not to hurt the head surface) About amplification, the height of the plate is also important. At the end of the adjustment, before securing the screws, You can even give little taps on the extremity of the plate when you can no more remark imperfection, and this once , by ear. No subtlle clicks must be heard... but nothing. For this drawing, there is absolutely no scale !!!!! (the gap [clearence] on the head must be reported by pressure to the capstan side) Well ! I hope this is more clear, although my english is of low class. Greetings Matyas PS: Salim, can you send me the picture of your hellish worned head at csaba at isuisse.com thanks. ___________________________________________ > Hi Kannan / Matyas, > > Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! > > Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? > it's not > azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my > head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to > adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet to > try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. > Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? > > Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is > 'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly see > tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part to > ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck this > method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb head > stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front plate) > or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? > > I want to share one tidbit after correcting weird problem on my 482. This > one was a toughie ... I put in 682 pb head which looks almost brand new with > no visible wear *at all* into my 482 ... however, high freq starts to roll > off at 11k ! In the end (several weeks later) I noticed the totally worn > out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure you > won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this rec > head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize that > this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. > Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it involved > that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. > > Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of > what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but > intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now > with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I think > I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying to > align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid plastic > stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. > > > ------ > > > I agree that Matya's innovative solution is really amazing- but still if > he > > can give a Photo or sketch to show his method it will be helpful to > > understand it better. He has approached the solution like any good > > mechanical Engineer looks for measuring techniques! > > > > I felt slight variation in flatness is not such a problem as the tape is > > flexible and is passing over the head with a slight tape tension. and > anyday > > perfection will be still worthwhile ----- tilt gauge at 600$ plus??? ?. > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > > > > > > >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: zenith.gif Type: image/gif Size: 30057 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Wed Aug 15 23:38:57 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:38:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channe l & HT systems Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365993@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello all, Does anyone know anything about the Luxman M-02 power amp and what the Duo-B circuit stands for? My guess is it refering to the amp class but not sure about that. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Cobb [mailto:c123666 at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2001 6:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems Mine sounds fine; nothing special like a quality tube preamp but fine for what it is. regards carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel & HT systems > > In a nut shell, Brett auditioned the 3801 at home and > found the sound to be frequency limited and generally > deficient as compared to his old Technics receiver. > > I responded by saying I have heard the 3801 and found > it to sound good -- nothing like Brett's experience. > I offered some possible explanations as to what happened, > one of which was that Brett's electrostatic speakers may > be a difficult load for the Denon. > > -- Ron > > > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > Missed this thread and am owner of denon avr 3801; can anyone give me the > > gist of this one? I have been thinking of selling it to get some cash out > > of it and just using my older Parasound psp 1500 (then I only have on board > > dolby digital from the dvd player via a proprietary interconnect to the > > parasound). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brett Dickel" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT systemvs.separate2-channel > > & HT systems > > > > > I may try another Denon at some stage...maybe. The experience I had with > > it > > > made my rethink my want/need for a HT system. > > > > > > I wasn't meaning to be negative about the Denon....rather I was trying to > > > call it as I saw it. The question still stays with me as to why it sounded > > > like it did...and different people will have different answers to this > > one. > > > > > > At 17:21 14/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >I don't know... If it's important to you, try another > > > >3801. Then listen to it with some other speakers. That > > > >will point to what's happening. > > > > > > > >I wonder, why would you replace a stereo amp with a HT > > > >one, unless you wanted to upgrade the whole system to > > > >HT? > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In theory(!) the 20 year old Technics should struggle a little with > > the > > > > > electrostats...but it doesn't. Actually nothing I have tried has had > > > > > trouble except the Denon. > > > > > > > > > > I now recall even trying a budget(ish) Technics Prologic amp about 5 > > or 6 > > > > > years ago. It didn't struggle with electrostats...it sounded good but > > I > > > > > decided to hang on to the SU-V6. The Prologic amp did seem to have a > > hefty > > > > > transformer inside - it was unusually heavy. > > > > > > > > > > So a range of amps from mid-fi upwards haven't struggled with the > > > > > speakers....they are probably not designed with electrostats in mind > > > > > either......why should the Denon struggle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the speakers were difficult - however the Denon was > > difficult > > > > > (to enjoy) :-( > > > > > > > > > > Brett > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > At 10:32 12/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Brett, > > > > > > > > > > > >It certainly makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am not familiar with your speakers, but once you say, > > > > > >'E l e c t r o s t a t i c s', a red light goes on... > > > > > >Even though they are rated at 4 ohms, they could easily > > > > > >go to 3 ohms or less at some frequency range and their > > > > > >impedance could be highly complex (in the mathematical > > > > > >sense). IOW, most electrostatics can be classified as > > > > > >'difficult to drive'. > > > > > > > > > > > >HT receivers (even 'mid end' like the Denon 3801) are > > > > > >generally not designed for this kind of speaker. Denon > > > > > >amps (even the high end models) are not particularly > > > > > >good at driving difficult speakers. This could be another > > > > > >possible explanation for what you heard. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think I posted this story before. Even if so, I'll > > > > > >repeat, because it illustrates the point. I used to own > > > > > >5 channels of power amplification, in Denon POA-8200 and > > > > > >POA-8300 power amps driving B&W 801s up front. Sound was > > > > > >gorgeous and I could have lived with this combination to > > > > > >this day, except that the 801s require space around them > > > > > >and I was forced by room constraints to stick them too > > > > > >close to side and back walls. I mounted them on casters > > > > > >and used to roll them forward for 'serious' listening, > > > > > >but this grew tiresome. I spent several months auditioning > > > > > >speakers and finally settled on the Aerial Acoustics 10Ts, > > > > > >that are actually better than the 801s and not as location > > > > > >sensitive. > > > > > > > > > > > >The 801s are 8 ohms. The 10Ts are 4 ohms, dropping to 3 at > > > > > >mid bass. To make sure the Denon 8200 could drive the Aerial > > > > > >Acoustics speakers, I lugged it to the dealer and faced it > > > > > >off against the Dealer's Classe (incidentally: excellent, > > > > > >excellent amp). The Denon sounded strained, with a collapsed > > > > > >sound stage and not-so-clean highs. Gone were the sweet > > > > > >highs, > > > > > >robust bass, and solid sound stage. > > > > > > > > > > > >I bought the 10Ts anyway, but was unhappy with the result. > > > > > >The Denon amps that were so good with the 801s simply didn't > > > > > >sound good with the 10Ts. I finally replaced the Denons with > > > > > >Aragon 8008s (that roughly doubled the price of the power > > > > > >amplification in my system). The 8008s can cleanly drive > > > > > >anything down to 1 ohm. When auditioning them against the > > > > > >Denons, my wife commented that she could again hear each > > > > > >instrument separately from the others. > > > > > > > > > > > >A couple of comments. First, mea culpa, and I apologize. I > > > > > >*should* have asked what speakers were involved. > > > > > > > > > > > >Second, I understand that Jantzen speakers have a very > > > > > >loyal following that love their sound. Yet, electorstatic > > > > > >speaker owners may generally have a hard time converting > > > > > >their stereo system to HT. This is because it is unlikely > > > > > >they can find a speaker physically usable as a center > > > > > >channel that will timbre-match with their front L/R. The > > > > > >same is also true for surrounds. Timbre matching for the > > > > > >center (and, to a somewhat lesser degree, with surrounds) > > > > > >is *crucial* to sonic success of a HT system. Add to that > > > > > >the possible difficulty of driving them with a HT receiver > > > > > >and it probably means that in many cases, an HT conversion > > > > > >could require speaker replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > >I didn't mean for this to be so long... Thanks for staying > > > > > >with me, > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > I checked all the settings etc for the Denon...as far as I can > > > > establish > > > > > > > all the tone controls and menu settings were neutral/flat. > > Actually > > > > when i > > > > > > > tried the tone controls to remedy the situation I still felt "the > > > > damage > > > > > > > had been done" and that use of the tone controls blurred the > > window > > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speakers I am using are Janszen Z-30 electrostatics. These > > from > > > > memory > > > > > > > present a 4ohm load (or thereabouts)...and the Technics has never > > had a > > > > > > > problem with them. Perhaps they are not accurate - what speakers > > are? > > > > > > > They don't appear to be coloured in the soft, warm, sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a number of occasions with other amps in my system. A > > > > Perreaux > > > > > > > per and power combo and a McLaren pre and power. Both were > > > > improvements on > > > > > > > the Technics, but I felt that the improvements were "steps up" > > from > > > > that > > > > > > > unit....not an entirely different direction from it as the Denon > > was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:15 11/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find this amazing... Most mid/high end receivers on > > > > > > > >the market today have a ruler flat response curve, with > > > > > > > >absolutely no tilt whatsoever. So, how could you perceive > > > > > > > >such an annoying mis-balanced sound? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A few explanations come to mind. The Denon could have > > > > > > > >been defective -- especially, if only one or two channels > > > > > > > >were the culprit. Second, it could have been misadjusted -- > > > > > > > >either tone controls or some menu option. Third, the > > > > > > > >Technics could be compensating for some other components > > > > > > > >(for instance, the speakers) shortcomings, such as limited > > > > > > > >response at the extremes of the band, which the Denon > > > > > > > >simply faithfully reproduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The most common explanation, though, is the subjective > > > > > > > >nature of our hearing. First, the Technics sound is what > > > > > > > >you know and love -- you are bound to dislike departures > > > > > > > >in any direction. Second, many people prefer a certain > > > > > > > >type of sound timbre, not necessarily 'accurate'. (I am > > > > > > > >not saying this is the case here -- just that this is > > > > > > > >true in many cases.) For instance, all those that luxuriate > > > > > > > >in 'warm' sound, actually prefer non-accurate reproduction. > > > > > > > >That warm sound can be a gross exaggeration of what was > > > > > > > >heard in the original recording studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If this is the case, then the Denon (and most other modern > > > > > > > >equipment) is not for you, even though its fidelity and > > > > > > > >accuracy may be superior to your old Technics. To discover > > > > > > > >whether this is true in your case, simply go to a local > > > > > > > >dealer and audition the Denon 3801 driving a good set of > > > > > > > >*accurate* speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Brett Dickel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I auditioned a Denon AVR-3800, thinking it would blow away my > > > > > > twenty year > > > > > > > > > old Technics SU-V6 integrated amp in terms of sound quality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Denon sounded "narrow" and tilted in frequency balance > > > > towards bass > > > > > > > > > frequencies. While there was an indication it had more power, > > the > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > presentation ended up really annoying me. I assumed it was > > somehow > > > > > > a faulty > > > > > > > > > unit. > > > > > > > > > With the Technics back in the system it was like the "window" > > > > was open > > > > > > > > > again....and of course it can't be the last word in fidelity > > > > > > > > > either....although I enjoy listening to music from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 18:44 9/08/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I've got to take exception here. > > > > > > > > > >With George's permission(implied, at least) to "go off": > > > > > > > > > >The Denon HT receivers, including the most expensive, are > > > > MASSIVELY > > > > > > > > > >unreliable & don't sound much better than a screechy Yamaha. > > On > > > > > > > > receivers, > > > > > > > > > >tape decks & cd players, Denon has been on a totally downward > > > > slide > > > > > > > > for more > > > > > > > > > >than ten years now. Any such Denon product clearly goes on > > > > my "avoid > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > >a hooker with open sores" list. > > > > > > > > > >The Marantz HT receivers, er, I should say Philips, are > > barely > > > > > > better & > > > > > > > > > >mostly merely on par with the Denons. Not quite as firmly on > > my > > > > > > "avoid " > > > > > > > > > >list, but in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system vs. > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > >2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I would like to hear! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > > > > and the > > > > > > > > life. No > > > > > > > > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several Denon, Onkio etc. receivers that cost > > > > > > > > > > > > several hundred to a grand and do a decent job for both > > > > > > > > > > > > music and HT. High end receivers ($3K and up) from Denon > > > > > > > > > > > > and Marantz easily compete with many high end separates, > > > > > > > > > > > > when driving good speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to reply "online" :-). I tried mid price > > solution > > > > > > using Nak > > > > > > > > > >RE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2ch) and Audiosource SS6 to get center & rear channel > > > > > > working plus > > > > > > > > > > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo, didn't work well. Tried Yamaha RXV890, worked > > much > > > > > > > > better for > > > > > > > > > > > HT > > > > > > > > > > > > > setup but stereo suffered. Finally use Nak AV2s - > > > > > > minimalist movie > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects - but 2ch sounded great ! Unless you use > > megabuck > > > > > > AV pre / > > > > > > > > > > > power, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe its better to go separate system. Anyway, > > whatever > > > > > > > > mass brand > > > > > > > > > > > AV > > > > > > > > > > > > > receiver you plan to buy, please compare the 2ch > > > > performance > > > > > > > > with old > > > > > > > > > > > Nak > > > > > > > > > > > > > AV, newer ones have quality problems but AV10 seems > > ok. I > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > > lately > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Nak AV stuff can be had for a real bargain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Integrated HT system > > vs. > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > 2-channel & > > > > > > > > > > > > > HT systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may know I am in the research phase > > and > > > > > > > > contemplating > > > > > > > > > > > > > updating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my existing system. I currently enjoy Dolby Stereo > > and > > > > > > > > two-channel > > > > > > > > > > > audio > > > > > > > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my Yamaha R-9 receiver. And I would like to ask the > > vast > > > > > > > > wisdom of > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group if you believe it is better to have two > > separate > > > > > > > > systems (e.g. > > > > > > > > > >1 > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > audio and the other for HT), or is it "ok" to > > > > integrate the > > > > > > > > two into > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system? Since this is so off topic, please feel > > free to > > > > > > > > contact me > > > > > > > > > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss. Thank you in advance for your help with > > this > > > > > > > > request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 23:47:14 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:47:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 In-Reply-To: <20010815212847.24226.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Most definitely a unique transport. I really can't understand their thought on the meters at all...they are down right cheap. Two segments light up at a time (reminds of cheap BSR eq's). I can't understand why they didn't use the meter piece from the Dragon on this deck...seems like it would have worked and fit just fine. I guess that is my only problem with it...it sounds great and looks great. Damn...now that I have two Naks I think I want another....hmmmm...time to go check out the LX5's for sale :-) Alex > It's not the most spectacular design on the inside. > Not as clean looking as a new Nak, but, somehow they > made these decks really perform. It may not look like > much, but, it's a hard one to beat. > > The wow/flutter is helped by the high mass flywheels. > The don't look that beefy, but, they do the job. Most > of the cost in these units is the unique transport. I > bought a BX-300 new in 84-85 and it was $650. I > couldn't imagine spending over double for the RX-505. > The RX-202 maybe, but, with only two heads it wasn't > much of contest against the 3 head BX-300. > > SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 16 02:12:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:12:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape References: <037e01c12524$1c8f7aa0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <05e001c125e8$30aeffa0$123442cf@sank1> Pretty much all of the single capstan 2-head naks are 0.5v=0VU output level. I don't really know why. I suspect it is for greater compatibility with the *usually* lo-fi receiver the cheaper decks would be plugged into. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > Thank you Stephen, you confort me in that 1000ZXL past story (third hand > deck). > Today I 've adjusted the tone level of 680ZX and its display dynamic range. > Infact, when played in this deck, normal Nak tape level is -1dBV and Nak > 1000zxl tape +1dBV. I think it is a good compromise to continue to adjust > the whole machine without touching for the instance the PB level. > > ...And which Naks are 0.5V=0VU ? > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:49 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > > > > I actually have no clue why Nak changes the ending letters on the test > tape > > part numbers. I have seen no actual differences between one letter & > > another. > > The 200nW Nak 400Hz tape is the correct one for all Naks, with > consideration > > that some models are 1V=0VU & others are 0.5V=0VU. Always keep in mind > that > > Nak uses the dBv scale(1V=0dBv), where Teac & others use the dBm > scale(0dB= > > 0.775V). So, the 1000ZXL was clearly miscalibrated with a Teac or other > > test tape. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:58 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] 400 Hz level tape > > > > > > > Hi Stefen, I need some clarifications.. > > > > > > Nakamichi 400 Hz level cassette's reference number is terminated with a > > > letter. Along the years, it used to be changed. > > > > > > Does the level recorded on the earlier ones i.e. 1978 one match the i.e. > > > 1981 cassette ? > > > What are differences ? > > > > > > I own of Naks, two 582, 680ZX, Dragon, LX-3, 600II, owned a 480z, I use > to > > > handle sometimes a 1000ZXL of a friend. > > > I remark for long now that the 1000ZXL 0 dB is ~ +2 dB louder than the > > level > > > generated and recorded by my Naks that are uniform in levels in + /- 0.5 > > dB > > > for their 400 Hz. > > > > > > I work actually on a 680ZX that seem to be aligned like the 1000ZXL, > said > > + > > > 1.7 dB.(plays back -1.7 dB a cassette made on Dragon ) > > > > > > I think that I can explain it, but I want your advise. > > > > > > I suppose the 1000ZXL and the 680ZX on question were both serviced by a > > non > > > Nak expert. > > > At least, this is evident for the 680ZX ! (if you read my other message > > > 'zenith alignement') > > > > > > Nak 400 Hz reference level is 200 nW/m > > > TDK 315 Hz reference level is 250 nW/m (standard test cassette, are > they > > to > > > this level ?) > > > > > > I don't know if we can do it but it appears that if you calculate the dB > > > ratio of nW/M like voltage, the difference is about the values I > measure: > > > 1.94 dB. > > > > > > Can this prove the 1000ZXL of my budy is not properly calibrated on PB > > > level? > > > but perform like a dream, and no Dolby artifacts are noted...strange for > a > > > PB level trouble...does 1000ZXL is supposed to be set for 250 nW/m ? > > > > > > Is that normal ? > > > > > > Thank a lot ! > > > Regards > > > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 16 02:17:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:17:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment References: <20010815082701.PELS8694.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <05f301c125e8$e0f9eb40$123442cf@sank1> I'll have to look at my 3014 manual tomorrow. I've never actually had occassion to look at the prescribed zenith alignment procedure. You idea was inventive like a cat flap(doggie door). An obvious concept once it had been done, but someone had to invent it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Hi all ! Let's share ideas... ;o) I am quite intrigued on what is inventive in my method... I work as electronician apprentice, just starts 3rd year on 4. Just worked on Sony stuff, and Nakamichi at home. How did for example, Tandberg to adjust tilt on 3014 ? and any RTR deck manufacturer too ?? - Today I have thinked about a good flatness plate that each one can have be done for low cost. I read you on the plastic plate, I wouldn't trust it, because for this adjustment your touching sense is required, you must feel the angle at the surface of the capstan, by alternating the pressure back and forth. so I judge plastic is not adapted 'cause it is a damping matter. Plastic is too light, and its temperature coeficient make it having quickly the temperature of your fingers, as I said, it is more convinient to handle a consistant thing. What did you think about a very well machined plate of glass ? Non magnetic and inalterable !!! Ask your glazier for ! (for my part I am lucky to work in a service centre that have a lot of metal flatness plates, since we work on all series of Sony Betacam) Salim, I use to name tilt zenith because it is a more euphonic word to me and Zenith in french (that is my tongue) is the word for and in english too. By the Kannan's demand, here is a quick drawing. With explanations: - (for the first part, I show the tape path into phantom guide, during adjustment, there is no cassette nor tape in the deck) -The reference capstan is the take-up one (one the right side ). (because the plastic guide dont allow the passing of the plate) - (second drawing) Alternate the pressure back and forth at the place the head contacts the flatness plate, having a horizontal reference by the capstan, to determine if there is or not a clearence (I named it 'gap' on the drawing). To have a sufficient amplification of the error (clearence) (movment you can give to the plate between to contact points), the plate must be long, to pass after the TU capstan, you will notice if you use it that you feel better the movment if you place your finger on the lenght after capstan. As there is no place at the side of the head (especially for the PB one) you must apply a gentle pressure above the head through the plate. - With the other finger, (or one of the fingers that you can find on the extremity your other arm) give an alternated movment to detect the clearence on the capstan side. (this for not to hurt the head surface) About amplification, the height of the plate is also important. At the end of the adjustment, before securing the screws, You can even give little taps on the extremity of the plate when you can no more remark imperfection, and this once , by ear. No subtlle clicks must be heard... but nothing. For this drawing, there is absolutely no scale !!!!! (the gap [clearence] on the head must be reported by pressure to the capstan side) Well ! I hope this is more clear, although my english is of low class. Greetings Matyas PS: Salim, can you send me the picture of your hellish worned head at csaba at isuisse.com thanks. ___________________________________________ > Hi Kannan / Matyas, > > Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! > > Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? > it's not > azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my > head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to > adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet to > try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. > Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? > > Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is > 'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly see > tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part to > ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck this > method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb head > stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front plate) > or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? > > I want to share one tidbit after correcting weird problem on my 482. This > one was a toughie ... I put in 682 pb head which looks almost brand new with > no visible wear *at all* into my 482 ... however, high freq starts to roll > off at 11k ! In the end (several weeks later) I noticed the totally worn > out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure you > won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this rec > head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize that > this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. > Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it involved > that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. > > Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of > what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but > intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now > with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I think > I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying to > align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid plastic > stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. > > > ------ > > > I agree that Matya's innovative solution is really amazing- but still if > he > > can give a Photo or sketch to show his method it will be helpful to > > understand it better. He has approached the solution like any good > > mechanical Engineer looks for measuring techniques! > > > > I felt slight variation in flatness is not such a problem as the tape is > > flexible and is passing over the head with a slight tape tension. and > anyday > > perfection will be still worthwhile ----- tilt gauge at 600$ plus??? ?. > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > > > > > > >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 05:40:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:10:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio Message-ID: <007f01c12605$21e78ec0$42d60192@vsnl> I have this world space receiver with AM/ FM tuner. I tried to find more about DAB ( Digital Audio Broadcast ) and found all of them use - you might have guessed it - MP3!!! God save this DAB stuff -??? Salim do not get fooled by DAB and it is the same s***** So only if they care to broadcast at 256 Kbps compressed music we can hear it as a decent music - but world space is doing it at 96 Kbps or so and it lacks any high frequency , but no noise. It is fine for back ground music. FM sounds much much better. But I can listen to our Indian language programme with lot more options like Jazz / pop etc. and I agree with other things Salim said below Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio > >Hi Marc, > >Sorry for brief reply. In short, I think as a good analogy, it comprise of >"bands" in which one band is limited to certain bandwidth. One station can >use one or more band (additional cost) but if it uses only one band (very >low bps), the sound is like "noiseless AM" quality. Once the station use >more bands, it can achieve better bps and consequently better sound quality. > >It's all in the manual which I haven't read thoroughly yet. All I know is >that I can tune to several stations with good music but lousy sound >quality - or local stations with good quality but lousy music. Even the >ones with good quality is still below average FM station. I foolishly >thought that it is the DAB thing, turned out that I bought an low quality >mp3 tuner ... otoh, sound coming from built in speaker is quite good, >must've been eq'd out to the max. Either that, or the line out is made to >sound real bad. > >But the teriffic thing is that you can bring it to a remote beach and still >listen to good music 24 hrs (mine is hitachi portable version). Let me know >if you need more from the manual (comp ratio etc). > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc Hugo" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio > > >> Hi, >> >> Sorry about this being off topic, but I'm trying to get a bit of info on >> World Space. Salim, I think it was you who mentioned that you have one >> of these World Space receivers, and you're not impressed..... What are >> the main shortcomings compared with reference sources, and for that >> matter, good FM. How does it compare with terrestrial digital >> transmission, such as BBC's "DAB". Does anyone have any information on >> the data compression/reduction employed for both/either Worldspace and >> DAB. The site for Worldspace is worthless hype. (As Ron rightly says, >> put together by the marketing dept) I heard they use one of the MPEG >> formats, but which one would it be, and what's the reduction ratio. >> >> If you prefer to get me off-list, please do. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marc >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 05:52:47 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:47 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 Message-ID: <009a01c12606$ea02dd00$42d60192@vsnl> Nak play record head / simple non resonant Dual capstan drive with very good bearing and flywheel - Nak will sound wonderful with their decent electronics. They can not go wrong. And give a new way to do auto reverse as in RX 505 ( record and play both auto reverse without azimuth error) Yeah they are worth the penny you have spent. Congrats guys - I know my joy when I rcd my Dragon / CR7 Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] more on RX505 >It's not the most spectacular design on the inside. >Not as clean looking as a new Nak, but, somehow they >made these decks really perform. It may not look like >much, but, it's a hard one to beat. > >The wow/flutter is helped by the high mass flywheels. >The don't look that beefy, but, they do the job. Most >of the cost in these units is the unique transport. I >bought a BX-300 new in 84-85 and it was $650. I >couldn't imagine spending over double for the RX-505. >The RX-202 maybe, but, with only two heads it wasn't >much of contest against the 3 head BX-300. > >SJ > >--- Alex Cagann wrote: >> I just opened her up and have a couple more >> opinions. Again, I'm no >> seasoned technician, but does this deck have good >> wow/flutter stats and >> other? The transport doesn't look nearly as nice or >> beefy as the one in the >> Dragon. It has two capstans but they are belt >> driven. I guess I expected a >> little more meat in this deck for a $1,500 when new >> piece. But...I don't >> know what I'm talking about really....so perhaps I >> have no reason to even >> think this. >> >> Alex Cagann >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial >> Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 05:58:40 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:28:40 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Message-ID: <00b001c12607$bc7b2c60$42d60192@vsnl> Thanks Matyas. let me try to understand it better. Just a look of the picture I got your idea. What are your chances of trying out 1000ZXl playback amp . I thought you are halfway on that Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Hi all ! Let's share ideas... ;o) I am quite intrigued on what is inventive in my method... I work as electronician apprentice, just starts 3rd year on 4. Just worked on Sony stuff, and Nakamichi at home. How did for example, Tandberg to adjust tilt on 3014 ? and any RTR deck manufacturer too ?? - > > > > >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 07:19:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:49:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories Message-ID: <010401c12612$f6996780$42d60192@vsnl> My cassette shell tool ( for tilt adjustment) is half the shell of TDK D type cassette ( without anything inside) and I stuck a .8mm card board strip at the head location. I inserted this half shell in to the cassette well ; kept it pressed to inner side and engaged the play mode. The play head will raise and you can clearly see the gap (from left side ) between the head back face and the strip front surface. In this method you are not bothered about head top surface and even old head has side surface intact anyway. This definitely not accurate as tilt gauge. May be Matyas method after this would bring the head much closer to the correct tilt. But the most dramatic results are obtained with track alignment tape use! The record head stroke is not the same as play head stroke ( it is lesser) and is very important for tape entry angle on to the play head. And definitely plays a critical role on playback output along with high frequency output. Generally the record head height adjustment is not necessary on the original mount - if disturbed check the mating edge of record head base edge with mounting bracket base edge. They are inline almost. You need 800 $ + for that gauge. Stephen ' gauges/ tapes alone cost few thousand dollars! all my playback circuits in Dragon have OP275 and I am expecting next lot of OP 275 for record amp mods within next few weeks along with OPA2604 to experiment with. Hexfred diodes are available with me but I am waiting for 10uF Polypropylene caps for Rectifier upgrade. Already I tried recording Maxell XLII S ( Dragon) with fantastic results. I am waiting for this OP mod on record side to do Sam's tape made. Oh I forgot - I ordered Jonatha Brooke/ Cocteau Twins CD's along with my old time favourite Shaft - theme ( Isac hayes). So Sam I can record one of this for you! I am not planning to pull out TEA chips right now - yeah i found TEA chips inside BX300 but rather happy with Dragon's playback. Maybe I will try Cap replacement and bypass on Playback circuit. I am in the process of exchanging my Bose AM5 for Jamo book shelves- 3 ay( pretty decent on both mids well as highs) and an infinity Sub. ( Yeah I am getting rid of my Bose!!!) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > >Hi Kannan / Matyas, > >Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! > >Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? it's not >azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my >head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to >adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet to >try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. >Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? > >Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is >'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly see >tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part to >ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck this >method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb head >stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front plate) >or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? > >noticed the totally worn >out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure you >won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this rec >head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize that >this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. >Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it involved >that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. > >Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of >what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but >intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now >with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I think >I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). > >Best regards, >Salim SM > >PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying to >align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid plastic >stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 16 08:00:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:00:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories References: <010401c12612$f6996780$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <068501c12618$b798ce80$123442cf@sank1> Kannan, has I remembered that your home was contaminated with Bose products, I would not have let you get my CR-7A!=) Hope you have kept the Bose crap a good distance away from the Naks, lest you start a "crap epidemic" in your system! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories > My cassette shell tool ( for tilt adjustment) is half the shell of TDK D > type cassette ( without anything inside) and I stuck a .8mm card board > strip at the head location. I inserted this half shell in to the cassette > well ; kept it pressed to inner side and engaged the play mode. The play > head will raise and you can clearly see the gap (from left side ) between > the head back face and the strip front surface. In this method you are not > bothered about head top surface and even old head has side surface intact > anyway. This definitely not accurate as tilt gauge. > May be Matyas method after this would bring the head much closer to the > correct tilt. > But the most dramatic results are obtained with track alignment tape use! > > The record head stroke is not the same as play head stroke ( it is lesser) > and is very important for tape entry angle on to the play head. And > definitely plays a critical role on playback output along with high > frequency output. > Generally the record head height adjustment is not necessary on the original > mount - if disturbed check the mating edge of record head base edge with > mounting bracket base edge. They are inline almost. You need 800 $ + for > that gauge. Stephen ' gauges/ tapes alone cost few thousand dollars! > all my playback circuits in Dragon have OP275 and I am expecting next lot of > OP 275 for record amp mods within next few weeks along with OPA2604 to > experiment with. Hexfred diodes are available with me but I am waiting for > 10uF Polypropylene caps for Rectifier upgrade. > Already I tried recording Maxell XLII S ( Dragon) with fantastic results. I > am waiting for this OP mod on record side to do Sam's tape made. > Oh I forgot - I ordered Jonatha Brooke/ Cocteau Twins CD's along with my > old time favourite Shaft - theme ( Isac hayes). So Sam I can record one of > this for you! > > I am not planning to pull out TEA chips right now - yeah i found TEA chips > inside BX300 but rather happy with Dragon's playback. Maybe I will try Cap > replacement and bypass on Playback circuit. > > I am in the process of exchanging my Bose AM5 for Jamo book shelves- 3 > ay( pretty decent on both mids well as highs) and an infinity Sub. ( Yeah I > am getting rid of my Bose!!!) > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment > > > > > >Hi Kannan / Matyas, > > > >Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! > > > >Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? it's not > >azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my > >head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to > >adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet to > >try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. > >Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? > > > >Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is > >'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly see > >tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part > to > >ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck this > >method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb head > >stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front plate) > >or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? > > > >noticed the totally worn > >out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure you > >won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this rec > >head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize that > >this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. > >Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it involved > >that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. > > > >Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of > >what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but > >intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now > >with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I think > >I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > >PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying to > >align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid plastic > >stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 16 10:05:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:05:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories Message-ID: <20010816080521.RZXZ2965.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Kannan, Thank you for your informative description of this special tool, the complicated one is stroke guide jig I believe. I'll need to fine tune the dragon a bit - uneven tape marks - and I'll use this shell and/or Matyas' glass plate (ouch) (ain't this guy full of ideas). Now that the deck is behaving reasonably well .. probably I'll wait for some time. For 1k track tape I use CR7 made tapes, one from mine and the other from Massachusetts ... on two decks these two tapes' highest 1k level perfectly collide (?) at one similar height point, so I have confident it's quite close to perfection. Like you said, almost any tape plays well on it. Congratulations on your new Jamo and your bravery re: Bose decision. :-) Hey I'm also looking for cocteau twins cd but found none here (also liked Shaft theme, forgot the year it's around). Best regards, Salim SM ---------- > My cassette shell tool ( for tilt adjustment) is half the shell of TDK D > type cassette ( without anything inside) and I stuck a .8mm card board > strip at the head location. I inserted this half shell in to the cassette > well ; kept it pressed to inner side and engaged the play mode. The play > head will raise and you can clearly see the gap (from left side ) between > the head back face and the strip front surface. In this method you are not > bothered about head top surface and even old head has side surface intact > anyway. This definitely not accurate as tilt gauge. > May be Matyas method after this would bring the head much closer to the > correct tilt. > But the most dramatic results are obtained with track alignment tape use! > > The record head stroke is not the same as play head stroke ( it is lesser) > and is very important for tape entry angle on to the play head. And > definitely plays a critical role on playback output along with high > frequency output. > Generally the record head height adjustment is not necessary on the original > mount - if disturbed check the mating edge of record head base edge with > mounting bracket base edge. They are inline almost. You need 800 $ + for > that gauge. Stephen ' gauges/ tapes alone cost few thousand dollars! > all my playback circuits in Dragon have OP275 and I am expecting next lot of > OP 275 for record amp mods within next few weeks along with OPA2604 to > experiment with. Hexfred diodes are available with me but I am waiting for > 10uF Polypropylene caps for Rectifier upgrade. > Already I tried recording Maxell XLII S ( Dragon) with fantastic results. I > am waiting for this OP mod on record side to do Sam's tape made. > Oh I forgot - I ordered Jonatha Brooke/ Cocteau Twins CD's along with my > old time favourite Shaft - theme ( Isac hayes). So Sam I can record one of > this for you! > > I am not planning to pull out TEA chips right now - yeah i found TEA chips > inside BX300 but rather happy with Dragon's playback. Maybe I will try Cap > replacement and bypass on Playback circuit. > > I am in the process of exchanging my Bose AM5 for Jamo book shelves- 3 > ay( pretty decent on both mids well as highs) and an infinity Sub. ( Yeah I > am getting rid of my Bose!!!) > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 09:50:42 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:20:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories Message-ID: <000601c12628$26e25900$42d60192@vsnl> Well taken Stephen and my bose is already out!!! kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories >Kannan, has I remembered that your home was contaminated with Bose products, >I would not have let you get my CR-7A!=) Hope you have kept the Bose crap a >good distance away from the Naks, lest you start a "crap epidemic" in your >system! > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kannan. S" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:19 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories > > >> My cassette shell tool ( for tilt adjustment) is half the shell of TDK D >> type cassette ( without anything inside) and I stuck a .8mm card board >> strip at the head location. I inserted this half shell in to the cassette >> well ; kept it pressed to inner side and engaged the play mode. The play >> head will raise and you can clearly see the gap (from left side ) between >> the head back face and the strip front surface. In this method you are not >> bothered about head top surface and even old head has side surface intact >> anyway. This definitely not accurate as tilt gauge. >> May be Matyas method after this would bring the head much closer to the >> correct tilt. >> But the most dramatic results are obtained with track alignment tape use! >> >> The record head stroke is not the same as play head stroke ( it is lesser) >> and is very important for tape entry angle on to the play head. And >> definitely plays a critical role on playback output along with high >> frequency output. >> Generally the record head height adjustment is not necessary on the >original >> mount - if disturbed check the mating edge of record head base edge with >> mounting bracket base edge. They are inline almost. You need 800 $ + for >> that gauge. Stephen ' gauges/ tapes alone cost few thousand dollars! >> all my playback circuits in Dragon have OP275 and I am expecting next lot >of >> OP 275 for record amp mods within next few weeks along with OPA2604 to >> experiment with. Hexfred diodes are available with me but I am waiting for >> 10uF Polypropylene caps for Rectifier upgrade. >> Already I tried recording Maxell XLII S ( Dragon) with fantastic results. >I >> am waiting for this OP mod on record side to do Sam's tape made. >> Oh I forgot - I ordered Jonatha Brooke/ Cocteau Twins CD's along with my >> old time favourite Shaft - theme ( Isac hayes). So Sam I can record one of >> this for you! >> >> I am not planning to pull out TEA chips right now - yeah i found TEA >chips >> inside BX300 but rather happy with Dragon's playback. Maybe I will try Cap >> replacement and bypass on Playback circuit. >> >> I am in the process of exchanging my Bose AM5 for Jamo book shelves- 3 >> ay( pretty decent on both mids well as highs) and an infinity Sub. ( Yeah >I >> am getting rid of my Bose!!!) >> Kannan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment >> >> >> > >> >Hi Kannan / Matyas, >> > >> >Thank you very much for sharing this homemade tools and ideas !! >> > >> >Please excuse my stupid question, but is zenith similar to tilt ? it's >not >> >azimuth, right ? Excellent method, Matyas, and I should stop banging my >> >head as I use similar "plate" (actually cut from thin plastic ruler) to >> >adjust the angle (azimuth ?) on my stylus / cartridge setup. I have yet >to >> >try Kannan's method but will try it soon - need some time to 'fabricate'. >> >Kannan, do you also have a picture of your jig ? >> > >> >Tilt setting is really a b*tch with no tools at all. With new head it is >> >'relatively' easier as head contour is still 'fresh' and I can clearly >see >> >tape marks on it and try to match tape marks width on top and bottom part >> to >> >ensure approximate correct tilt. On used head / head from other deck >this >> >method is almost impossible. BTW, how is the record head stroke WRT pb >head >> >stroke ? Are they of similar height (if we look at them from front >plate) >> >or rec head is slightly 'lower' ? >> > >> >noticed the totally worn >> >out rec head (Kannan I will send you the pic of this rec head, I'm sure >you >> >won't believe it) and decided to adjust its stroke. After moving this >rec >> >head 1/x of a mm, playback FR is back to normal !!! I didn't realize >that >> >this 'attack' angle (adjusted through rec head) could be so important. >> >Previously I didn't have the guts to adjust rec head stroke as it >involved >> >that described peculiar jig to mount rec head. >> > >> >Also dragon tape path problem is solved after moving rec head forward, of >> >what looks like only 1/4 mm. Previously forward play is okay but >> >intermittent tape wrinkled problem on reverse. Already one full week now >> >with no problem. Kannan, how many OP275 inside your dragon ? Also I >think >> >I saw TEA dolby chip inside mine (will re-check soon). >> > >> >Best regards, >> >Salim SM >> > >> >PS: The headshell on my table can be rotated slightly and instead trying >to >> >align it visually (small mirror on platter), I put a 10-15 cm rigid >plastic >> >stick on top of shell and measure each end's hanging distance to platter. >> > >> > >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 09:59:37 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:29:37 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories Message-ID: <000f01c12629$65af81c0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment and other stories > >Hi Kannan, > >Thank you for your informative description of this special tool, the >complicated one is stroke guide jig I believe. I'll need to fine tune the >dragon a bit - uneven tape marks - and I'll use this shell and/or Matyas' >glass plate (ouch) (ain't this guy full of ideas). Now that the deck is >behaving reasonably well .. probably I'll wait for some time. For 1k track >tape I use CR7 made tapes, one from mine and the other from Massachusetts >... on two decks these two tapes' highest 1k level perfectly collide (?) at >one similar height point, so I have confident it's quite close to >perfection. Like you said, almost any tape plays well on it. > >Congratulations on your new Jamo and your bravery re: Bose decision. :-) >Hey I'm also looking for cocteau twins cd but found none here (also liked >Shaft theme, forgot the year it's around). > >Best regards, >Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Aug 16 11:24:21 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:24:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <200108160924.f7G9OL727640@ad.md> yes, kannan, i believe in the naktalk community are people from alotta different fields, it is one of the reasons this group is so interesting (at least for me). marin - filmology and scriptwriting graduate, 1995. (almost broke my neck in the theaters watching 3-4 movies/day being a student. conlusion: never watch more than 2 "serious" films per day). ps: how are the things going on in bollywood right now, any new promising figures, new blood? who's the biggest/baddest local movie star(s) in india at the moment? > Yeah > I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white > vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy > rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! > Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. > any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? > Kannan ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Aug 16 13:24:25 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:54:25 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <001401c12646$01f6c400$42d60192@vsnl> You are not surprising me - I expected a reply atleast ( I also love this naktalk for having varied interest groups and very very helpful members). Bollywood is really bad and their markets ( & fans) are from US (based Indians) and UK (based). These movies show heroes and their girl friend's doing the same round the tree routine at some US/ Newzealand/ Aussie/ or european trees?? very glossy stuff. I have not seen any newcomer making a movie of substance. I hear Iranian/ Koreans making some decent stuff now. What happened to French/ Swedish/ Japanese avant garde/ new wave movie makers ? I almost stopped seeing movies. Hollywood is still worse - they seem to make movies for home theater stuff - bang/ bang and lot of loud noises and computer animated kung Fu. God how can you see even two movies in a week????? Are you in movies? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: marin turea To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories >yes, kannan, >i believe in the naktalk community are people from alotta different fields, it is one of the reasons this group is so interesting (at least for me). > >marin - >filmology and scriptwriting graduate, 1995. >(almost broke my neck in the theaters watching 3-4 movies/day being a student. conlusion: never watch more than 2 "serious" films per day). > >ps: how are the things going on in bollywood right now, any new promising figures, new blood? >who's the biggest/baddest local movie star(s) in india at the moment? > > > >> Yeah >> I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white >> vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy >> rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! >> Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. >> any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? >> Kannan > > >___________________________________________ >Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Aug 16 14:43:32 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:43:32 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <200108161243.f7GChV700996@ad.md> well, kannan, "they live", but it's like sony metal masters, remember, you have to search (those films) all-around-the-world sometime, or know where to look - small "specialised" shops, not the supermarkets. these are commercially "periferic" products and often very hard to get. same thing with "exotic" music sometimes, you know. to be informed about the tendencies, i would recommend you to take a look at the film festivals' sites - they will give you an impression about the movements. also follow the film magazines (at least online) to have synthetised information about it. write down the name/title and go researching. you are "close" to japan and hongkong, i sincerelly recommend you to take a closer look at their latest ("alternative") productions. and if we are on naktalk, i'd dare to recommend you something i practice, related to this: take a film you intimately love and know well and copy the full soundtrack (not only music, but dialogues+music+the rest of the sound! s, in the original language!) to your nak. you will be surprised what feeling can it give to you when listening in a weekend night, having a bottle of something near you. try this, but remember, the source must be a good quality hifi stereo/mono vhs or similar. good luck, dragon owner. marin > What happened to French/ Swedish/ Japanese avant garde/ new wave movie > makers ? I almost stopped seeing movies. > Hollywood is still worse - they seem to make movies for home theater stuff - > bang/ bang and lot of loud noises and computer animated kung Fu. > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > Are you in movies? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: marin turea > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > > >yes, kannan, > >i believe in the naktalk community are people from alotta different > fields, it is one of the reasons this group is so interesting (at least for > me). > > > >marin - > >filmology and scriptwriting graduate, 1995. > >(almost broke my neck in the theaters watching 3-4 movies/day being a > student. conlusion: never watch more than 2 "serious" films per day). > > > >ps: how are the things going on in bollywood right now, any new promising > figures, new blood? > >who's the biggest/baddest local movie star(s) in india at the moment? > > > > > > > >> Yeah > >> I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white > >> vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy > >> rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! > >> Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. > >> any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? > >> Kannan > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 16 15:18:31 2001 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:18:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] World Space: Thanks Message-ID: <3B7BC827.FAB54C3F@sunint.co.za> Gentlemen, in particular, Salim and Kannan Thank you for your input on World Space radio. The concept of low noise AM radio is of course what has made so many data reduced formats popular. The absence of noise inclined listeners to assume that the sound they were left with was "good". Ring a bell? Time to get a top flight FM tuner and external antennae. At least most of the minidisc sound from the studios is for advertisment clips, for now. Thanks again, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 15:22:04 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <200108160924.f7G9OL727640@ad.md> Message-ID: <3B7BC8FC.1E478EE1@yahoo.com> I did Economics at City College in NYC. The whole field is like a skyscraper built on a foundation of mud. don't remember a thing about it. Don't care for it either. I do remember a movie called Silent Running bout a guy on a hydroponic garden space station living with two other guys and 3 robots Huey Duey and Louie. He knocks off the two other guys for trampling over his garden with their SUV-precursors and later blows himself up with a nuke great movie - no swequel Javier marin turea wrote: > > yes, kannan, > i believe in the naktalk community are people from alotta different fields, it is one of the reasons this group is so interesting (at least for me). > > marin - > filmology and scriptwriting graduate, 1995. > (almost broke my neck in the theaters watching 3-4 movies/day being a student. conlusion: never watch more than 2 "serious" films per day). > > ps: how are the things going on in bollywood right now, any new promising figures, new blood? > who's the biggest/baddest local movie star(s) in india at the moment? > > > Yeah > > I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white > > vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy > > rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! > > Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. > > any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? > > Kannan > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Aug 16 15:29:49 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:29:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons Message-ID: Your friend needs more help than a new button, bless him. A higher shelf/stand is the main one. The hand cuffs and barbed wire are nice-to-haves! Other things for the poor kid to chew on of course.... Marc >>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 08/16/01 01:50PM >>> Help needed! A friend of mine has a CR-7, but his kid has broken off the Fader down button (bottom left hand corner). Unfortunately the button was then chewed up! So, anyone out there able to help find a replacement button? If you can or know where one can be purchased, please let me know. Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 17:19:23 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:19:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side developed an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. It turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go further, let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of electronic equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the technician thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on them and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be highly appreciated. The inscriptions are : BOSE 131354 89109 BOSE 134499 88949 Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think we'll clog up traffic. George P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 17:26:05 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:26:05 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: Sorry, forgot to mention that both ICs have 20 pins each, for what it's worth. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "George Valkov" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:19:23 +0300 Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side developed an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. It turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go further, let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of electronic equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the technician thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on them and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be highly appreciated. The inscriptions are : BOSE 131354 89109 BOSE 134499 88949 Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think we'll clog up traffic. George P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 16 17:44:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:44:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs References: Message-ID: <074b01c1266a$58d00060$123442cf@sank1> Here goes the first flame: Ya' see! Trust f*ing Bose to use custom number IC's! A classic way to screw the customer! No recourse but to go to Bose for it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side developed > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. It > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go further, > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of electronic > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the technician > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on them > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be highly > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think > we'll clog up traffic. > > George > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Aug 16 17:46:53 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:46:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <38.1a8b75db.28ad44ed@aol.com> The guy in that movie was Bruce Dern (I don't know if I have the spelling right). Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 17:49:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:49:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... Message-ID: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, c123666 at earthlink.net writes: << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). My questions are: a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. Regards, Carl >> Hi Carl, I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should grab it! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 17:51:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:51:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 here Message-ID: <35.1976dadd.28ad45f4@aol.com> In a message dated 8/15/2001 1:04:59 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << My RX505 has arrived and is in mint condition...not a single mark on it...even the window is perfect. This guy went to huge lengths to package this thing right. It is beautiful. I don't like the meter nearly as well as my Dragon, but it is a great looking deck. No azimuth adjustment on this one? What is the reel hub button for? Any other tricks on this deck I should know....I have no manual for it. Alex Cagann final with two Naks! >> Congratulations Alex. The RX-505 is a special deck and has a rep for good sound. Enjoy it my friend! Hey, send us a pic of the two (monster Naks) together when you get it into your system. -Sam TheCR7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 17:56:35 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:56:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs References: Message-ID: <3B7BED33.741BADCA@yahoo.com> Unfortunately all I found on a web search was this http://www.anatekcorp.com/faq/audio.htm do "CTRL=F bose" Unfortunately you may have to send it in for repair. Javier George Valkov wrote: > > Sorry, forgot to mention that both ICs have 20 pins each, for what it's > worth. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "George Valkov" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:19:23 +0300 > > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side developed > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. It > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go further, > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of electronic > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the technician > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on them > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be highly > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think > we'll clog up traffic. > > George > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 17:55:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:55:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/2001 4:49:57 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Most definitely a unique transport. I really can't understand their thought on the meters at all...they are down right cheap. Two segments light up at a time (reminds of cheap BSR eq's). I can't understand why they didn't use the meter piece from the Dragon on this deck...seems like it would have worked and fit just fine. I guess that is my only problem with it...it sounds great and looks great. Damn...now that I have two Naks I think I want another....hmmmm...time to go check out the LX5's for sale :-) Alex >> The meters used in the RX-series appear to be the very same meters used in the BX-series decks. If the Dragon meter will fit, why not try to make the modification while you can still get parts? Sounds like a cool modification. Stephen/Jeff any thoughts on making this modification? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 18:03:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:03:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <9.19fe8be5.28ad48d2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2001 4:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, emte at mail.md writes: << Yeah > I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white > vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy > rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! > Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. > any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? > Kannan >> This group continues to impress me with the diverse and talented group of people who subscribe. We can talk offline, but finally got around to seeing the original Odd Couple ad (now I can't remember the name) Jack Lemon's first comedy? Oh Kannan I meant to share with you that we have a local television station that features programming from India here. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 18:04:59 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:04:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to maybe 800. It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their other products. So I'm told. Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > My questions are: > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > Regards, > > Carl >> > > Hi Carl, > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should grab it! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 18:06:20 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:06:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <102.78259a4.28ad497c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << God how can you see even two movies in a week????? Are you in movies? Kannan >> Kannan, I use to frequently view two movies a day in High School. Did 3 in a day, but that was a bit long. It's easy, but you really have to enjoy movies. There's a relatively new 30 theater cinema close to my home with 7.1 channel, 17 - 20 speaker setups and some movies are meant to be viewed in that arena. It's a great experience. Do you have an opportunity to view an IMAX film there? If you do, make sure you check it out. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 18:09:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:09:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons Message-ID: <16.10d6d620.28ad4a23@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2001 7:00:02 AM Central Daylight Time, g_valkov at hotmail.com writes: << Try www.nakamichi.co.uk or www.bowersandwilkins. uh, com or co.uk - I forgot -:). Anyways they're the same company. George >> Also check with Jeff and Stephen from this group... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 18:21:23 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:21:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - This may interest this group Message-ID: There is an interesting "face-off" in this month's Stereophile magazine titled "Stereo vs. 5.1" I thought this group would find it interesting. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 18:23:53 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:23:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - You may also find this interesting Message-ID: There are three articles in this month's "The Absolute Sound" that this group may find interesting: "Why is good sound such a pain in the $#%" "CD vs. DVD-A vs. SACD - a listening test" I've forgotten the title, but a well written article examining how the Internet and digital music is changing music as an art form. The article includes a brief history of how the phonograph, recording and radio have impacted music. A good read. Enjoy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 18:28:34 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:28:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One problem is the RX is red LED's while the Dragon is orange. Also, the digital counter is on the meter unit on the Dragon....the RX has the counter separate from the meter unit. If one could take the Dragon unit, change the LED's to red, put in in the area of the RX meter, AND move the Dolby BC indicators over to where the RX counter is....it could work. Lots of work though... Alex > The meters used in the RX-series appear to be the very same > meters used in > the BX-series decks. If the Dragon meter will fit, why not try > to make the > modification while you can still get parts? Sounds like a cool > modification. > Stephen/Jeff any thoughts on making this modification? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 18:47:42 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:47:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <9.19fe8be5.28ad48d2@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7BF92E.6CC24449@yahoo.com> On movies: According to what I've heard India has the most prolific movie industry in the world, producing far more films a year than "Holywood", many of them significant. Unfortunately most of us will never see any of it thanks to the filtering system set in place by our entertainment industry and it's client government. There are also large movie making industries in China (Yeah I know: Comarade Mao goes to Peking), Brazil, Eastern Europe and other places. See Ya Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 4:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, emte at mail.md > writes: > > << Yeah > > I saw the movie "Shaft" way back in mid 70's - Black hero and white > > vilains - pretty hilarious mostly but a definitive movie along with "Easy > > rider". new wave movies of Hollywood!! > > Yeah my another favourite is Steppenwolf. > > any Naktalker in to Movies - serious ones like Citizen Kane types? > > Kannan >> > > This group continues to impress me with the diverse and talented group of > people who subscribe. We can talk offline, but finally got around to seeing > the original Odd Couple ad (now I can't remember the name) Jack Lemon's first > comedy? > Oh Kannan I meant to share with you that we have a local television station > that features programming from India here. > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 16 18:54:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:54:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs References: <074b01c1266a$58d00060$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7BFABA.F0B7D079@concentric.net> A sure fire way to charge 10 bucks apiece for 75 cent ICs and get away with it. You're watching free enterprise in action. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Here goes the first flame: > Ya' see! Trust f*ing Bose to use custom number IC's! A classic way to > screw the customer! No recourse but to go to Bose for it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > > > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, > > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, > > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side > developed > > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, > > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. > It > > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification > > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go > further, > > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of > electronic > > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in > > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the > technician > > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no > > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they > > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on > them > > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among > > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be > highly > > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think > > we'll clog up traffic. > > > > George > > > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 16 18:58:00 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] more on RX505 References: Message-ID: <3B7BFB98.27581D20@concentric.net> There is more to a meter than physical size. You have to match electrical characteristics, as well. In many cases, this is a simple resistor change, but not in all. -- Ron SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 4:49:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << Most definitely a unique transport. I really can't understand their > thought > on the meters at all...they are down right cheap. Two segments light up at > a time (reminds of cheap BSR eq's). I can't understand why they didn't use > the meter piece from the Dragon on this deck...seems like it would have > worked and fit just fine. I guess that is my only problem with it...it > sounds great and looks great. Damn...now that I have two Naks I think I > want another....hmmmm...time to go check out the LX5's for sale :-) > > Alex >> > > The meters used in the RX-series appear to be the very same meters used in > the BX-series decks. If the Dragon meter will fit, why not try to make the > modification while you can still get parts? Sounds like a cool modification. > Stephen/Jeff any thoughts on making this modification? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 16 19:02:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:02:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > maybe 800. > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > other products. So I'm told. > Javier > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > My questions are: > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl >> > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should grab it! > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 16 19:08:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:08:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <102.78259a4.28ad497c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7BFE0A.C487E42D@concentric.net> In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > Are you in movies? > Kannan I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, this is quite common. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Aug 16 20:19:37 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:19:37 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, You are rught but there may be heater current issue - EL34 need 1,5 times more AFAIR. So power tranny may give some smoke. However older 6L6 are really nice tubes. The other tubes that mau serve well (ofcourse with readjusted bias!) is Japanese 6G-B8. I really love this tube more than any EL34. In SE and triode mode I like this tube more than 300B. Misha >If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced >with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner >sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd >do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Aug 16 20:13:03 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:13:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... Message-ID: FYI-I have been using electro-harmonix 6L6EH's in my EICO HF-20's w/ good results. Cheap also. Check out http://www.ehx.com. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 20:25:16 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:25:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <102.78259a4.28ad497c@aol.com> <3B7BFE0A.C487E42D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7C100C.6F112941@yahoo.com> On movies again: Those of you old or young enough may remember track number 7 on Floyd's debut album The piper at the gates of dawn. It was Intersteller Overdrive, an outstanding 9.5 minute instrumental featuring a outlandishly pschizophrenic lead guitar by either Barret or Waters. There was only one problem. It wasn't with the music but with the stereo. Towards the end of the piece they started playing with the stereo effect All on the left or all on the right or fast switching from left to right. It's so annoying that the only way I could get myself to listen to it is with the mode switch set to mono. A lot of other bands experimented with stereo and came up with equally unbearable results. Floyd of course bears the distinction of being the only band to thoroughly fuck up one of the best damned instrumentals in the history of hard rock! Ok now lets fastfoward to the current era and listen to surround sound. The movies all have moments of unbearable silence where your ears squint to hear what's being said followed by unbearably loud rumbling explosive FX passages with sound swooshing from front to rear or vice versa. All the surround tracks sound like this even the 5.1s with discrete surrounds. Additionally the auxilliary sounds like glasses clinking or keys dropping on a drawer are unaturally loud or out of place spatially. I get the same feeling watching a surround sound movie that I got from the stereo version of Floyd's IO. That they were like monkeys playing with the controls. In 66 Stereo had been around for a good 20 years but they were only beginning to discover things like depth or imaging. Now in 2001 surround has also been around for about 20 years but similarly they are only beginning to figure out how use it. Hopefully the audio portion of the next generation of movies will be bearable and truly 3 dimensional without being overbearing and artificial. See Ya Javier Ron wrote: > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight > Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > > Are you in movies? > > Kannan > > I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I > love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT > setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 > DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, > this is quite common. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 20:32:59 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:32:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs References: <074b01c1266a$58d00060$123442cf@sank1> <3B7BFABA.F0B7D079@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7C11DB.6EE1FF94@yahoo.com> Actually I think it may run into the Sherman Antitrust act if challenged properly. But Bose like Nike, or Tommy Hilfiger are mostly "by exclusive appointment" to the urban slums and low income neighbourhoods where consumers don't have attorneys on retainer. Javier Ron wrote: > > A sure fire way to charge 10 bucks apiece for 75 cent > ICs and get away with it. > > You're watching free enterprise in action. > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Here goes the first flame: > > Ya' see! Trust f*ing Bose to use custom number IC's! A classic way to > > screw the customer! No recourse but to go to Bose for it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > > > > > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, > > > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > > > > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, > > > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side > > developed > > > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, > > > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. > > It > > > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification > > > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go > > further, > > > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of > > electronic > > > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in > > > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the > > technician > > > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no > > > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they > > > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on > > them > > > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among > > > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be > > highly > > > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > > > > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > > > > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > > > > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think > > > we'll clog up traffic. > > > > > > George > > > > > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 21:59:18 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:59:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons Message-ID: I've tried bowersandwilkins/nakamichi.co.uk but they don't have it. So, anyone else out there that can help? Jeff or Stephen? Obviously payment will be arranged. Anyone??????? >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:09:07 EDT > >In a message dated 8/16/2001 7:00:02 AM Central Daylight Time, >g_valkov at hotmail.com writes: > ><< Try www.nakamichi.co.uk or www.bowersandwilkins. uh, com or co.uk - I >forgot > -:). Anyways they're the same company. > > George > >> > >Also check with Jeff and Stephen from this group... > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 22:24:25 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:24:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: Uh, thank you all, Ron, Stephen, Javier, for your support -:). Unfortunately there is no Bose dealer/service in my country, which means that the solution of the problem will take an indeterminate period of time, effort and ultimately money, I guess. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Javier Perez Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:32:59 -0400 Actually I think it may run into the Sherman Antitrust act if challenged properly. But Bose like Nike, or Tommy Hilfiger are mostly "by exclusive appointment" to the urban slums and low income neighbourhoods where consumers don't have attorneys on retainer. Javier Ron wrote: > > A sure fire way to charge 10 bucks apiece for 75 cent > ICs and get away with it. > > You're watching free enterprise in action. > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Here goes the first flame: > > Ya' see! Trust f*ing Bose to use custom number IC's! A classic way to > > screw the customer! No recourse but to go to Bose for it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > > > > > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the heck, > > > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > > > > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound system, > > > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side > > developed > > > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume level, > > > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear it. > > It > > > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of amplification > > > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go > > further, > > > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of > > electronic > > > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct term?) in > > > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the > > technician > > > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I have no > > > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and they > > > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions on > > them > > > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent among > > > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be > > highly > > > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > > > > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > > > > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > > > > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you think > > > we'll clog up traffic. > > > > > > George > > > > > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 16 23:12:15 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:12:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs References: Message-ID: <3B7C372F.49C7147A@yahoo.com> Perhaps if you tell us more about where the chips are in the circuit we might be able to provide more assistance. Do you have access to a digital camera or even a scanner? A pic of the PCB would help. At 20 pins they are probably not just op-amps but possibly something else. Is there one chip per channel? They could be tuner chips or combo op-amp/fader chips for car use. Also a lot of chips run hot, sometimes too hot to touch without being defective and bad chips don't necessarily run any hotter than good ones unless there's a short in which case you would have blown a fuse or fusible resistor downstream long ago. If one channel hums then it could just be a bad capacitor. What's the aproxximate frequency of the hum. Does the fader work properly? Try tracing the hum using a scope or small speaker with a capacitor in series. Start at the outputs and work your way back. As a last resort you could try begging bose through e-mail. Just give them a hard luck story about how you can't get parts in your country and need to find a replacement because you love the "BOSE" sound so much! Big companies are often generous with customers in hard to reach areas. I once broke the advance lever and shutterspeed dial on my camera when I was in Indonesia. I wrote the company in Germany and they sent me a new advance lever and shutter speed dial for free! Also I'm not sure where you are but they have a rep in the Ukraine as follows Company: Pelican Co. Contact: Mr. A. N. Burtsev 83 - A, Universitetskaya Street, 340048 Donetsk Phone Number: 380 62 3342415 Fax: 380 62 3323660 See Ya Javier George Valkov wrote: > > Uh, thank you all, Ron, Stephen, Javier, for your support -:). Unfortunately > there is no Bose dealer/service in my country, which means that the solution > of the problem will take an indeterminate period of time, effort and > ultimately money, I guess. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Javier Perez > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:32:59 -0400 > > Actually I think it may run into the Sherman Antitrust act > if challenged properly. But Bose like Nike, or Tommy Hilfiger > are mostly "by exclusive appointment" to the urban slums and low income > neighbourhoods where consumers don't have attorneys on retainer. > > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > A sure fire way to charge 10 bucks apiece for 75 cent > > ICs and get away with it. > > > > You're watching free enterprise in action. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Here goes the first flame: > > > Ya' see! Trust f*ing Bose to use custom number IC's! A classic way to > > > screw the customer! No recourse but to go to Bose for it. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Valkov" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs > > > > > > > Guys, I know I am about to mention the unmentionable, but, what the > heck, > > > > I've my asbestos anti-flame suit on -:). > > > > > > > > Now seriously - my Audi has a factory installed Audi-Bose sound > system, > > > > which sounds incredibly good. Unfortunately, the front right side > > > developed > > > > an unpleasant hum, which remains unchanged regardless of volume > level, > > > > source, etc. Of course, when something is played loud, you don't hear > it. > > > It > > > > turned out that each front door contains a separate sort of > amplification > > > > unit (PCB), there is a dedicated booster for the rears. Before I go > > > further, > > > > let me state that I know absolutely nothing about the insides of > > > electronic > > > > equipment and have never held a solder iron (is that the correct > term?) in > > > > my life. Among other things on the PCB there are two ICs and the > > > technician > > > > thinks that one of them is running a bit too hot. Unfortunately I > have no > > > > schematics whatsoever and we cannot establish what these ICs are and > they > > > > should behave. The problem is that there are only BOSE inscriptions > on > > > them > > > > and so far I cannot find a way to determine what is their equivalent > among > > > > the other more popular IC makers. Any help in this direction would be > > > highly > > > > appreciated. The inscriptions are : > > > > > > > > BOSE 131354 89109 > > > > > > > > BOSE 134499 88949 > > > > > > > > Many many thanks in advance, feel free to reply off naktalk, if you > think > > > > we'll clog up traffic. > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > P.S. I have asked AUDI for a schematic, but that could take long. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thu Aug 16 23:47:26 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:47:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365997@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Javier, Good point you make about Floyd's track, have you noticed that even the switching effect from left to right is in incremental steps and not a smooth gradual switch. It is as if they were using some control that only goes through the db range in 2db steps. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 4:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories On movies again: Those of you old or young enough may remember track number 7 on Floyd's debut album The piper at the gates of dawn. It was Intersteller Overdrive, an outstanding 9.5 minute instrumental featuring a outlandishly pschizophrenic lead guitar by either Barret or Waters. There was only one problem. It wasn't with the music but with the stereo. Towards the end of the piece they started playing with the stereo effect All on the left or all on the right or fast switching from left to right. It's so annoying that the only way I could get myself to listen to it is with the mode switch set to mono. A lot of other bands experimented with stereo and came up with equally unbearable results. Floyd of course bears the distinction of being the only band to thoroughly fuck up one of the best damned instrumentals in the history of hard rock! Ok now lets fastfoward to the current era and listen to surround sound. The movies all have moments of unbearable silence where your ears squint to hear what's being said followed by unbearably loud rumbling explosive FX passages with sound swooshing from front to rear or vice versa. All the surround tracks sound like this even the 5.1s with discrete surrounds. Additionally the auxilliary sounds like glasses clinking or keys dropping on a drawer are unaturally loud or out of place spatially. I get the same feeling watching a surround sound movie that I got from the stereo version of Floyd's IO. That they were like monkeys playing with the controls. In 66 Stereo had been around for a good 20 years but they were only beginning to discover things like depth or imaging. Now in 2001 surround has also been around for about 20 years but similarly they are only beginning to figure out how use it. Hopefully the audio portion of the next generation of movies will be bearable and truly 3 dimensional without being overbearing and artificial. See Ya Javier Ron wrote: > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight > Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > > Are you in movies? > > Kannan > > I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I > love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT > setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 > DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, > this is quite common. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 17 00:19:21 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:19:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] World Space: Thanks In-Reply-To: <3B7BC827.FAB54C3F@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c126a1$7f637860$fcf0883e@a4s1s2> Marc The advice I was given, and it seems wise even now, is to get yourself a top flight antennae before getting a new tuner - it is often the case that the cheaper tuners never give of their full potential for the want of a decent antennae. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: 16 August 2001 14:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] World Space: Thanks Gentlemen, in particular, Salim and Kannan Thank you for your input on World Space radio. The concept of low noise AM radio is of course what has made so many data reduced formats popular. The absence of noise inclined listeners to assume that the sound they were left with was "good". Ring a bell? Time to get a top flight FM tuner and external antennae. At least most of the minidisc sound from the studios is for advertisment clips, for now. Thanks again, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 17 00:19:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:19:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio In-Reply-To: <007f01c12605$21e78ec0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <002a01c126a1$7cc59c00$fcf0883e@a4s1s2> Interesting you should say that - I read the same. I have also heard, tho', that many of the satellites are broadcasting much better quality, less compressed, stereo radio signals, if you can link the sat' decoder to the hi fi amp ... and it's usually free, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 16 August 2001 04:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio I have this world space receiver with AM/ FM tuner. I tried to find more about DAB ( Digital Audio Broadcast ) and found all of them use - you might have guessed it - MP3!!! God save this DAB stuff -??? Salim do not get fooled by DAB and it is the same s***** So only if they care to broadcast at 256 Kbps compressed music we can hear it as a decent music - but world space is doing it at 96 Kbps or so and it lacks any high frequency , but no noise. It is fine for back ground music. FM sounds much much better. But I can listen to our Indian language programme with lot more options like Jazz / pop etc. and I agree with other things Salim said below Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio > >Hi Marc, > >Sorry for brief reply. In short, I think as a good analogy, it comprise of >"bands" in which one band is limited to certain bandwidth. One station can >use one or more band (additional cost) but if it uses only one band (very >low bps), the sound is like "noiseless AM" quality. Once the station use >more bands, it can achieve better bps and consequently better sound quality. > >It's all in the manual which I haven't read thoroughly yet. All I know is >that I can tune to several stations with good music but lousy sound >quality - or local stations with good quality but lousy music. Even the >ones with good quality is still below average FM station. I foolishly >thought that it is the DAB thing, turned out that I bought an low quality >mp3 tuner ... otoh, sound coming from built in speaker is quite good, >must've been eq'd out to the max. Either that, or the line out is made to >sound real bad. > >But the teriffic thing is that you can bring it to a remote beach and still >listen to good music 24 hrs (mine is hitachi portable version). Let me know >if you need more from the manual (comp ratio etc). > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc Hugo" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: World Space Radio > > >> Hi, >> >> Sorry about this being off topic, but I'm trying to get a bit of info on >> World Space. Salim, I think it was you who mentioned that you have one >> of these World Space receivers, and you're not impressed..... What are >> the main shortcomings compared with reference sources, and for that >> matter, good FM. How does it compare with terrestrial digital >> transmission, such as BBC's "DAB". Does anyone have any information on >> the data compression/reduction employed for both/either Worldspace and >> DAB. The site for Worldspace is worthless hype. (As Ron rightly says, >> put together by the marketing dept) I heard they use one of the MPEG >> formats, but which one would it be, and what's the reduction ratio. >> >> If you prefer to get me off-list, please do. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marc >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For example you'll remember that all of the preamps from McIntosh, Fisher, Scott had the rest an enormously complex switching networks enabling the user to select Stereo, Mono, Reverse Stereo, Left+Right to Left, Left+Right to Right, Left to Left+Right and Right to Left+Right. I guess the "audiophile" was supposed to need those controls for something back then. Today they simply screw up the signal path on the vintage tube preampos and integrated amps. I'de love to have an old Scott or McIntosh without it but they don't seem to exist! See Ya Javier Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Javier, > > Good point you make about Floyd's track, have you noticed that even the switching effect from left to right is in incremental steps and not a smooth gradual switch. It is as if they were using some control that only goes through the db range in 2db steps. > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 4:25 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > On movies again: > Those of you old or young enough may remember > track number 7 on Floyd's debut album The piper at > the gates of dawn. It was Intersteller Overdrive, > an outstanding 9.5 minute instrumental featuring > a outlandishly pschizophrenic lead guitar by > either Barret or Waters. There was only one problem. > It wasn't with the music but with the stereo. Towards > the end of the piece they started playing with the stereo effect > All on the left or all on the right or fast switching from left to > right. > It's so annoying that the only way I could get myself to listen to it > is with the mode switch set to mono. A lot of other bands experimented > with stereo and came up with equally unbearable results. Floyd > of course bears the distinction of being the only band to thoroughly > fuck up one of the best damned instrumentals in the history of > hard rock! > Ok now lets fastfoward to the current era and listen to surround sound. > The movies all have moments of unbearable silence where your ears squint > to > hear what's being said followed by unbearably loud rumbling explosive FX > passages > with sound swooshing from front to rear or vice versa. All the surround > tracks > sound like this even the 5.1s with discrete surrounds. Additionally the > auxilliary > sounds like glasses clinking or keys dropping on a drawer are unaturally > loud or > out of place spatially. > I get the same feeling watching a surround sound movie that I got from > the stereo > version of Floyd's IO. That they were like monkeys playing with the > controls. > In 66 Stereo had been around for a good 20 years but they were only > beginning > to discover things like depth or imaging. Now in 2001 surround has also > been around > for about 20 years but similarly they are only beginning to figure out > how use it. Hopefully > the audio portion of the next generation of movies will be bearable and > truly > 3 dimensional without being overbearing and artificial. > > See Ya > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight > > Time, > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > > > Are you in movies? > > > Kannan > > > > I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I > > love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT > > setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 > > DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, > > this is quite common. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 03:23:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:23:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> Message-ID: <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also out-live anything else by decades. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > -- Ron > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > maybe 800. > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > other products. So I'm told. > > Javier > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in mint > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the amp; > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should grab it! > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 03:49:14 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:49:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: Message-ID: <07a301c126be$d24a2200$123442cf@sank1> John, do yourself a BIG favor & spend some extra bucks on black plate RCA 6l6GC/GB, or GE 7027A's. They'll be at most $40-50 each, probably less, and will sound better & end up being far more economical than the EH & other such Russian & Chinese stuff, because they will last 10-30 years or more, vs 2 years, if you're lucky, on the EH's. If you REALLY want to stun your ears into ecstasy, find some Genalex KT-66's. Not only the best 6L6 type ever made, but also pretty as all hell. $100 each, minimum, though, on a lucky find. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > FYI-I have been using electro-harmonix 6L6EH's in my EICO HF-20's w/ good results. Cheap also. Check out http://www.ehx.com. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 03:52:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:52:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> Amen Also the mac output trannies don't use the typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. They have their own criscross something or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio and may not react the same if converted to el34s. even if the bias is reset. Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should be reqd to register wherever he goes. Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > out-live anything else by decades. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > Javier > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > mint > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > amp; > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > grab it! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 04:17:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:17:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07f301c126c2$be346420$123442cf@sank1> There ya go, Javier! A McIntosh Molesters Registry. Fabulous idea! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > Amen > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > They have their own criscross something > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > even if the bias is reset. > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > mint > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > amp; > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 04:28:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:28:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons References: Message-ID: <080f01c126c4$4d374d80$123442cf@sank1> Sorry, no gots any CR-7 button panel parts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons > > I've tried bowersandwilkins/nakamichi.co.uk but they don't have it. So, > anyone else out there that can help? Jeff or Stephen? Obviously payment will > be arranged. Anyone??????? > > >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:09:07 EDT > > > >In a message dated 8/16/2001 7:00:02 AM Central Daylight Time, > >g_valkov at hotmail.com writes: > > > ><< Try www.nakamichi.co.uk or www.bowersandwilkins. uh, com or co.uk - I > >forgot > > -:). Anyways they're the same company. > > > > George > > >> > > > >Also check with Jeff and Stephen from this group... > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 05:08:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:08:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365997@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3B7C513D.1F0FBD85@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7C8AB5.E010060B@concentric.net> Javier, Actually, the Mode switch didn't screw up the signal path too much. There are two inputs and two outputs, with all the mode switching done between them in the small area of the switch. The switch was necessary when some recordings were in mono, some in stereo. It's fairly easy to disable the switch entirely, if all you want is the 'Stereo' mode. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > It sure sounds awkward by today's standards but it does play into > what must have been seen as a new technology back then. In many ways it > was more of a fad IMHO! > For example you'll remember that all of the preamps from McIntosh, > Fisher, Scott had the rest an enormously complex switching networks > enabling > the user to select Stereo, Mono, Reverse Stereo, Left+Right to Left, > Left+Right to Right, Left to Left+Right and Right to Left+Right. > I guess the "audiophile" was supposed to need those controls > for something back then. Today they simply screw up the signal path > on the vintage tube preampos and integrated amps. I'de love to have an > old Scott or McIntosh without it but they don't seem to exist! > See Ya > Javier > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Javier, > > > > Good point you make about Floyd's track, have you noticed that even the switching effect from left to right is in incremental steps and not a smooth gradual switch. It is as if they were using some control that only goes through the db range in 2db steps. > > > > Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 4:25 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > > > On movies again: > > Those of you old or young enough may remember > > track number 7 on Floyd's debut album The piper at > > the gates of dawn. It was Intersteller Overdrive, > > an outstanding 9.5 minute instrumental featuring > > a outlandishly pschizophrenic lead guitar by > > either Barret or Waters. There was only one problem. > > It wasn't with the music but with the stereo. Towards > > the end of the piece they started playing with the stereo effect > > All on the left or all on the right or fast switching from left to > > right. > > It's so annoying that the only way I could get myself to listen to it > > is with the mode switch set to mono. A lot of other bands experimented > > with stereo and came up with equally unbearable results. Floyd > > of course bears the distinction of being the only band to thoroughly > > fuck up one of the best damned instrumentals in the history of > > hard rock! > > Ok now lets fastfoward to the current era and listen to surround sound. > > The movies all have moments of unbearable silence where your ears squint > > to > > hear what's being said followed by unbearably loud rumbling explosive FX > > passages > > with sound swooshing from front to rear or vice versa. All the surround > > tracks > > sound like this even the 5.1s with discrete surrounds. Additionally the > > auxilliary > > sounds like glasses clinking or keys dropping on a drawer are unaturally > > loud or > > out of place spatially. > > I get the same feeling watching a surround sound movie that I got from > > the stereo > > version of Floyd's IO. That they were like monkeys playing with the > > controls. > > In 66 Stereo had been around for a good 20 years but they were only > > beginning > > to discover things like depth or imaging. Now in 2001 surround has also > > been around > > for about 20 years but similarly they are only beginning to figure out > > how use it. Hopefully > > the audio portion of the next generation of movies will be bearable and > > truly > > 3 dimensional without being overbearing and artificial. > > > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight > > > Time, > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > > > > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > > > > Are you in movies? > > > > Kannan > > > > > > I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I > > > love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT > > > setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 > > > DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, > > > this is quite common. > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 05:19:13 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:19:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7C8D31.E1BAC8F9@concentric.net> You're right, I should have mentioned this. A pair will consume about 17W more in the heaters. Depending on the power transformer, this may (or may not) be a problem. Many years ago, I did this in old Williamson amplifiers and had no problem, but a skimpy power transformer may run hotter. -- Ron Michael Mironov wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > You are rught but there may be heater current issue - EL34 > need 1,5 times more AFAIR. So power tranny may give > some smoke. However older 6L6 are really nice tubes. > The other tubes that mau serve well (ofcourse with readjusted bias!) > is Japanese 6G-B8. I really love this tube more than any EL34. > In SE and triode mode I like this tube more than 300B. > > Misha > > >If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > >with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > >sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > >do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 07:45:04 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:45:04 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: Javier, thanks for your interest. I'll try to arrange a picture of the PCB. Meanwhile this is what I can tell you in response to your questions: 1. The PCB in question is only for the front right speaker and has both chips. The front left has its own PCB and the rears have a separate booster. 2. Fader works OK and does not affect the noise, i.e. it is still there when I switch the signal to rear speakers only. I have no L/R balance control. 3. The sound is not exactly a hum - to be honest, the best description that comes to mind is a sort of an endless fart -:). Sorry, but that's exactly what it sounds like. Another thing - the noise seems to get a bit louder after the system runs for a while. 4. Will try tracing the noise as suggested. However the other problem is that I still cannot locate some the system's components within the car -:(. There are four wires coming out of the head unit (one for each speaker) and three wires coming into each front speaker, so obviously there's something in between, which I cannot find yet. And the problem could be there. Thanks again for your continued interest and will try to provide more information as I get it. BTW, I'm in Bulgaria, not the Ukraine, but thanks anyway. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Javier Perez Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:12:15 -0400 Perhaps if you tell us more about where the chips are in the circuit we might be able to provide more assistance. Do you have access to a digital camera or even a scanner? A pic of the PCB would help. At 20 pins they are probably not just op-amps but possibly something else. Is there one chip per channel? They could be tuner chips or combo op-amp/fader chips for car use. Also a lot of chips run hot, sometimes too hot to touch without being defective and bad chips don't necessarily run any hotter than good ones unless there's a short in which case you would have blown a fuse or fusible resistor downstream long ago. If one channel hums then it could just be a bad capacitor. What's the aproxximate frequency of the hum. Does the fader work properly? Try tracing the hum using a scope or small speaker with a capacitor in series. Start at the outputs and work your way back. As a last resort you could try begging bose through e-mail. Just give them a hard luck story about how you can't get parts in your country and need to find a replacement because you love the "BOSE" sound so much! Big companies are often generous with customers in hard to reach areas. I once broke the advance lever and shutterspeed dial on my camera when I was in Indonesia. I wrote the company in Germany and they sent me a new advance lever and shutter speed dial for free! Also I'm not sure where you are but they have a rep in the Ukraine as follows Company: Pelican Co. Contact: Mr. A. N. Burtsev 83 - A, Universitetskaya Street, 340048 Donetsk Phone Number: 380 62 3342415 Fax: 380 62 3323660 See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 08:20:32 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:50:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: <002e01c126e4$b86c7880$42d60192@vsnl> George Try to find the voltages( DC using a digital mutimeter) on different pins of these ICs and compare it with other channel first. This will give away any malfunction of the IC if there is any. Secondly it looks like signal wires coming to some sort of an amplifier on the Speaker cabinet. So you can disconnect the signal wire and check whether the sound appears keeping the power on ( Check the 3 wires and find out which one is having -12V DC and which one is connected to ground + part of the battery - as these two to be connected while signal wire - if you touch with your bare fingers will cause hum on the speakers and generally it should be shielded - should be disconnected) and check whether this noise appear. If you still get the noise the problem is in this module rather than outside. From the description of the sound- I suspect some sort of problem with power Opamp IC having some problem - happens with ICs like STK series or TDA series IC's and generally such ICs will have some sort of heat sink on them. > Hope I have not confused you. It is better to search for replacement after locating the trouble area Kannan -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs >Javier, thanks for your interest. I'll try to arrange a picture of the PCB. >Meanwhile this is what I can tell you in response to your questions: > >1. The PCB in question is only for the front right speaker and has both >chips. The front left has its own PCB and the rears have a separate booster. > >2. Fader works OK and does not affect the noise, i.e. it is still there when >I switch the signal to rear speakers only. I have no L/R balance control. > >3. The sound is not exactly a hum - to be honest, the best description that >comes to mind is a sort of an endless fart -:). Sorry, but that's exactly >what it sounds like. Another thing - the noise seems to get a bit louder >after the system runs for a while. > >4. Will try tracing the noise as suggested. However the other problem is >that I still cannot locate some the system's components within the car -:(. >There are four wires coming out of the head unit (one for each speaker) and >three wires coming into each front speaker, so obviously there's something >in between, which I cannot find yet. And the problem could be there. > >Thanks again for your continued interest and will try to provide more >information as I get it. > >BTW, I'm in Bulgaria, not the Ukraine, but thanks anyway. > >George > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 08:57:26 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:57:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <001401c12646$01f6c400$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D4CF6.29808.4A6D0F@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > You are not surprising me - I expected a reply atleast ( I also love this > naktalk for having varied interest groups and very very helpful members). So true - most list moderators tend to overlook the fact that, after the main topic has been discussed over and over we'd like to get to know each other more personally. Heavy modding can kill the spirit of the group. > Bollywood is really bad and their markets ( & fans) are from US (based > Indians) and UK (based). These movies show heroes and their girl friend's > doing the same round the tree routine Gladly an exception comes along in a blue moon. Check out "1947: Earth" by Deepa Mehta, an intelligent movie about the plight of those involved in the Indo - Pak partition. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0150433 I had sworn off Hindi movies since 1988, but this was a realistic, exaggeration-free and very *piercing* film. Sad to see it got so much flak from the prudes in India. And oh yeah, Nandita Das [the lead actress] - she is the girl of my dreams :-) Intelligence, wit and smouldering beauty all rolled into one irresistible girl. > Hollywood is still worse I'm currently boycotting Hollywood on reasons of principle; however, if you want something out of the ordinary, check out "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within". It's no ordinary movie, as everything [except the voices] was computer-generated. The realism will impress you. It also helps if you're into computers, anime [Japanese animated movies] and science fiction. Just leave your scepticism before you enter the cinema. After all, it is a fantasy movie. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0173840 Enjoy Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:02:04 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:02:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C In-Reply-To: <000901c121f3$e36681c0$ca36883e@a4s1s2> References: <012101c12151$1ce93e40$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D4E0F.31536.4EB532@localhost> Graham Nelson wrote: > I note that Kannan prefers Dolby C to B. Hi Fi journalists in the UK > generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a > recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough > listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may > have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular > recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. > Anyone got a view on this? Hi Graham I have been using Dolby C on my LX-3 and it outperforms, or is as good as, Dolby B NR. No audible artifacts are present while the LX-3 plays them back either. There is one exclusion: on tapes for other decks, I don't use anyt NR as it introduces artifacts [swooshy whirly psychedelic effects, if you know what I mean :-) - esp. B NR] Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 17 09:05:12 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:05:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] World Space: Thanks Message-ID: Graham, Thanks very much. That sounds very logical. I'll get onto Aerial Empire tomorrow. I must say, it's mainlt the commercial station station that have such severe constriction of dynamic range. I recorded a Vivaldi Mandolin Concerto a week ago, off air, live performance, and it really is impressive. Very dynamic, with no "crushing" of high frequencies. But intersation noise due to marginal signal pushed noise levels up unacceptably. By the way Graham, I think you are the Mozart man....could you recommend a particular performance of Mozart's "Six German Dances." I can't remember the one I have, but it seems have little of the magic that I had previously heard "live". Thanks again, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 08/17/01 12:19AM >>> Marc The advice I was given, and it seems wise even now, is to get yourself a top flight antennae before getting a new tuner - it is often the case that the cheaper tuners never give of their full potential for the want of a decent antennae. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: 16 August 2001 14:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] World Space: Thanks Gentlemen, in particular, Salim and Kannan Thank you for your input on World Space radio. The concept of low noise AM radio is of course what has made so many data reduced formats popular. The absence of noise inclined listeners to assume that the sound they were left with was "good". Ring a bell? Time to get a top flight FM tuner and external antennae. At least most of the minidisc sound from the studios is for advertisment clips, for now. Thanks again, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:09:57 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:09:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio In-Reply-To: <86.dc6e830.28a20a8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7D4FE7.29196.55EA70@localhost> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Are you working towards an MBA? Apologies for the late reply :-) I was, but then got so heavily into computers that I intend to my Master's in Info. Tech. once I finish my business degree - this semester :-) Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:12:34 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:12:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B7D5085.17211.585268@localhost> mick s wrote: > the French > Opera singer Natalie Dessaix / Mado Robin (I think) who could both shatter a > champagne glass with the sound waves from their incredibly high pitched > voices. Any idea what Hz. they manage to hit? > Allawah, Sydney AU > > Home of the 2000 Olympics! > Home of the 2001 White Elephant! Heh... we're having our own one here in Brisbane, with the Goodwill games - blah! Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:14:51 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:14:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B7D510A.28996.5A58BA@localhost> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > So he probably has a server somewhere with > 5,000 MP3's and .WAV files and he uses software to act as a "jukebox" and > play music. I strongly doubt they'd be in MP3 format. He's more likely to use his own proprietary WMA® format which is inferior to MP3 IMO. Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:15:56 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:15:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: <00c101c12305$05d469e0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D514B.12835.5B5894@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > Only think I know about Bill gates system is - it will have robust > "Shutdown" button on it Unfortunately, you'll have to press the "Start" button to get to "shutdown" :-) - logical, oy? Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Hi Fi journalists in the UK > generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a > recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough > listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may > have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular > recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. > Anyone got a view on this? Hi Graham I have been using Dolby C on my LX-3 and it outperforms, or is as good as, Dolby B NR. No audible artifacts are present while the LX-3 plays them back either. There is one exclusion: on tapes for other decks, I don't use anyt NR as it introduces artifacts [swooshy whirly psychedelic effects, if you know what I mean :-) - esp. B NR] Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:19:04 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:19:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD In-Reply-To: <59.e4376b4.28a20a65@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7D5208.10942.5E3CA7@localhost> targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd mentioned something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 09:07:25 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:37:25 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <007501c126eb$459139c0$42d60192@vsnl> Ron Once I received about 35 DVD s ( all hollywood ) from US and saw them on a stretch. But I became tired of current genre with lot of action and sound - Ofcourse I love good movies ( Cactus Flower / Odd couple and serious ones like China town / Ryan' daughter / classic - Sound of Music/ Dr Shivago/ the perennial James Bond / ofcourse Fellini/ Ray / Kurosova genre and some Black white gems) and once or twice per week of your choice is definitely fine provided you have some thing like Netflix rental availability - you have plenty of choice out in US including lot of indian Movies. But In india few DVD clubs are around with maximum of about 500 DVD's mostly action/ thriller or horror and I can't stand these more than once in three months. Generally DVD' quality both sound and visuals are really appealing - no wonder you have chosen a HT setup. DVD format is really something good happened after so many years of new format tries. Still they botched up DVD by Region coding S***. The same IPR and copyright issues had kept this satellite brodcast (DAB & World Space) to the low quality. I tend to listen to music more than watch movies - Oh My naks come in here !!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight >Time, > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: >> >> God how can you see even two movies in a week????? >> Are you in movies? >> Kannan > >I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I >love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT >setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 >DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, >this is quite common. > >-- Ron >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 09:33:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:33:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio References: <3B7D4FE7.29196.55EA70@localhost> Message-ID: <087401c126ee$e162b920$123442cf@sank1> Speaking of economics, isn't it true that American MBA & other financially related programs include a course in hypnosis, to enable the student to maintain the illusion that "Federal Reserve Notes" are actually money? I always have to laugh when the subject of counterfeit money comes up in the news, since nothing is more counterfeit than an FRN! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > > > Are you working towards an MBA? > > > Apologies for the late reply :-) > > I was, but then got so heavily into computers that I intend to my Master's > in Info. Tech. once I finish my business degree - this semester :-) > > Cheers > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 09:35:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:35:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <3B7D5208.10942.5E3CA7@localhost> Message-ID: <088201c126ef$3fd5cce0$123442cf@sank1> All I can say is that the SBM version of the Simon & Garfunkel CD is a big improvement over the standard release. One of these days, I will get time to compare it to an LP version. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > > > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. > > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and > > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > > Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every > Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd mentioned > something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 09:17:08 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:47:08 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates Message-ID: <00a001c126ec$a0544860$42d60192@vsnl> Probably you have to open one window get to these buttons. Once you open the windows " where you going today " song will be playing !!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jason Antony To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio Kannan. S wrote: > Only think I know about Bill gates system is - it will have robust > "Shutdown" button on it Unfortunately, you'll have to press the "Start" button to get to "shutdown" :-) - logical, oy? Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 09:39:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:39:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <3B7D5208.10942.5E3CA7@localhost> Message-ID: <088601c126ef$bf514c60$123442cf@sank1> Oh, by the way, I believe I remembered to include Natalie Merchant's "Ophelia" as my second favorite recording ever. Well, I had occassion to mention same on rec.audio.pro newsgroup the next day. This evening, I had an email waiting for me from Todd Vos, the engineer who recorded it! He thanked me for the mention. Of course, I offered him the loan of an RCA ribbon mic or two on his next worthy project. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > > > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi stores. > > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs and > > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > > Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every > Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd mentioned > something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 09:33:46 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:03:46 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons Message-ID: <00e001c126ee$f3ac1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> Lot of eager members of our group looking for female naktalker - rejoice, we have first infant member liking Nak buttons!!! We are keen to know his/ her views on the taste of Nak parts? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo To: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com ; naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 buttons >Your friend needs more help than a new button, bless him. A higher shelf/stand is the main one. The hand cuffs and barbed wire are nice-to-haves! Other things for the poor kid to chew on of course.... > > >Marc > >>>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 08/16/01 01:50PM >>> > >Help needed! > >A friend of mine has a CR-7, but his kid has broken off the Fader down >button (bottom left hand corner). Unfortunately the button was then chewed >up! So, anyone out there able to help find a replacement button? If you can >or know where one can be purchased, please let me know. Thanks in advance. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 09:54:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:54:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix Message-ID: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In this case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when powered up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep spinning continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After doing a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small electrolytics that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of capacitor bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 17 09:41:58 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:41:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C Message-ID: I only really discovered the power of well set up Dolby C circuits when I got started with Nakamichi. The boosting and cutting of low amplitude signals drops into the midrange with C, and replay anomalies become more obvious as this is where our hearing is most sensitive. As a very general rule, the better the deck the better the "C". (Okay, flame me!) Most hi-fi press, but certainly the British press more so, found Dolby C replay characteristics to be unpredictable, and because cassettes have a tendency to move from deck to deck, difficult to recommend. Tape traders traditionally specify "No NR", amongst other specific directions of course. I presume this is because of the incremetal nature of encoding/decoding anomalies that would result from successive generations of copies. Marc >>> s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au 08/17/01 09:02AM >>> Graham Nelson wrote: > I note that Kannan prefers Dolby C to B. Hi Fi journalists in the UK > generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a > recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough > listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may > have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular > recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. > Anyone got a view on this? Hi Graham I have been using Dolby C on my LX-3 and it outperforms, or is as good as, Dolby B NR. No audible artifacts are present while the LX-3 plays them back either. There is one exclusion: on tapes for other decks, I don't use anyt NR as it introduces artifacts [swooshy whirly psychedelic effects, if you know what I mean :-) - esp. B NR] Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 09:41:48 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:11:48 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <00e501c126f0$12975a40$42d60192@vsnl> Thanks Marin Infact my brother records music or Talk show/ like "car talk" and sends these cassettes - I understand what you mean! My friend is a movie buff and collects ( in US) unusual movies in VHS or DVD format and brings it to Bangalore. I have seen few Italian movies and some time documentaries. Working on restoring broken down naks take most part of my time leaving little time for anything else! Where are you from -! one more person I should visit Kannan -----Original Message----- From: marin turea To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories >well, kannan, "they live", but it's like sony metal masters, remember, you have to search (those films) all-around-the-world sometime, or know where to look - small "specialised" shops, not the supermarkets. these are commercially "periferic" products and often very hard to get. same thing with "exotic" music sometimes, you know. to be informed about the tendencies, i'd dare to recommend you something i practice, related to this: take a film you intimately love and know well and copy the full soundtrack (not only music, but dialogues+music+the rest of the sound! >s, in the original language!) to your nak. you will be surprised what feeling can it give to you when listening in a weekend night, having a bottle of something near you. try this, but remember, the source must be a good quality hifi stereo/mono vhs or similar. >good luck, dragon owner. > >marin > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 09:58:56 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:58:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <007501c126eb$459139c0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > Still they botched up DVD > by Region coding S***. The same IPR and copyright issues had kept this > satellite brodcast (DAB & World Space) to the low quality. Hi Kannan the DVDCA [DVD Control Association] and the MPAA have been under regular investigation by various powers because of this region-coding issue. They claim region coding was developed to facilitate staggered releases, ie. first in the US, then later in the UK, Australia, Asia and so on. However, this does not explain its presence on just about *every* Hollywood movie on DVD, even the ones that were released in the '30s, '40s. Makes no sense, right? The real reason behind it is the studios' desire to extract as much profit from each market as possible. They are using this technology to effectively fix prices in each market, which is illegal under most nations' laws. To make a DVD player, one has to obtain a key from the DVDCA that decrypts the encoded data on the DVD. I hear it's quite expensive to obtain one. And if the key leaks out, future discs can be coded to invalidate that key. I believe it's high time the US government stopped cossetting this "fragile" industry and granting it imbalanced weapons in the form of the DMCA and the UCITA, two laws that rob consumers of their fair-use rights while giving the software and entertainment industries ludicrous powers over us. Had to get that out of my system. If anyone's interested, I can give more info on these laws. Remember: "intellectual property" is to property what fool's gold is to gold. Enuff said. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 10:02:34 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:02:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates In-Reply-To: <00a001c126ec$a0544860$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D5C3D.609.861CE2@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > Probably you have to open one window get to these buttons. Once you open the > windows " where you going today " song will be playing !!! remember when they planned to use the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" as their intro jingle? The irony would've been heavy with its next verse: "You make a grown man cry" :-) Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 10:06:38 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:06:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD In-Reply-To: <088201c126ef$3fd5cce0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7D5D2E.7522.89C6EF@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > All I can say is that the SBM version of the Simon & Garfunkel CD is a big > improvement over the standard release. One of these days, I will get time > to compare it to an LP version. "On Every Street" was the first CD I listened to, and it left me positively underwhelmed. Had high expectations as it was a DDD disc [totally digital]. Little did I know then... :-) How about HDCD, which packs 20-bit resolution on the 16-bit CD format, while still remaining playable in ordinary CD players? Personally I found they sounded better than ordinary discs even on normal players. And on HDCD, it was almost enough to make me say yum! :-) Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 10:09:53 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:09:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0136597B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3B7D5DF2.19216.8CC70F@localhost> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > "The decision to make an analog recording was an aesthetic one, founded on > my firm conviction that for everything that digital recording gains in > noise reduction and supposed clarity, there are unacceptable losses of > warmth and depth." > -Elvis Costello He is not alone in this observation. One of my all-time favourite guitarists, Steve Vai, refuses to do serious work in digital. He says that digital "sterilises the music, robs it of soul". How true. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 09:56:21 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:26:21 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C Message-ID: <010301c126f2$1b30ab00$42d60192@vsnl> True I have found the power of true Dolby NR in Naks -Generally they are so clean and you can depend on them. But if you play tapes on different machines non naks) better to avoid as Dolby level refers to actual magnetic flux levels on tape / strict adherence to play/ record level setting is essential for trouble free Dolby decoding. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com ; s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C >I only really discovered the power of well set up Dolby C circuits when I got started with Nakamichi. The boosting and cutting of low amplitude signals drops into the midrange with C, and replay anomalies become more obvious as this is where our hearing is most sensitive. As a very general rule, the better the deck the better the "C". (Okay, flame me!) > >Most hi-fi press, but certainly the British press more so, found Dolby C replay characteristics to be unpredictable, and because cassettes have a tendency to move from deck to deck, difficult to recommend. > >Tape traders traditionally specify "No NR", amongst other specific directions of course. I presume this is because of the incremetal nature of encoding/decoding anomalies that would result from successive generations of copies. > >Marc > >>>> s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au 08/17/01 09:02AM >>> > >Graham Nelson wrote: > >> I note that Kannan prefers Dolby C to B. Hi Fi journalists in the UK >> generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a >> recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough >> listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may >> have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular >> recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. >> Anyone got a view on this? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 17 09:56:00 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:56:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio Message-ID: Too true. We had to get off the gold standard, because the monetarists discovered they couldn't print the darn stuff. You'll never get Greenspan's job until (under hypnosis, of course) you accept that wet streets cause rain. Marc >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 08/17/01 09:33AM >>> Speaking of economics, isn't it true that American MBA & other financially related programs include a course in hypnosis, to enable the student to maintain the illusion that "Federal Reserve Notes" are actually money? I always have to laugh when the subject of counterfeit money comes up in the news, since nothing is more counterfeit than an FRN! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offtopic: car audio > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > > > Are you working towards an MBA? > > > Apologies for the late reply :-) > > I was, but then got so heavily into computers that I intend to my Master's > in Info. Tech. once I finish my business degree - this semester :-) > > Cheers > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 10:03:19 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:33:19 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix Message-ID: <011001c126f3$142a27e0$42d60192@vsnl> Oh stephen what a glue????? I started removing this glue from my BX300 more than month ago to avoid problems in future. Crazy kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix >If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in >regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, >I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. >Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In this >case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when powered >up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep spinning >continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After doing >a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered >improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small electrolytics >that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of capacitor >bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms >accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in >under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. >Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 10:29:55 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:29:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C In-Reply-To: <010301c126f2$1b30ab00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7D62A5.12612.9F21A6@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > I have found the power of true Dolby NR in Naks Very true. I had actually written off Dolby B NR technology as worthless, since my previous experience was on Akai, Technics and *ugh* Sony decks. The key to Nakamichi's Dolby implementation is its consistency and accuracy. Til date I have yet to hear any anomailes resulting from their use - and believe me, I've thrown all sorts of music at it - from classical [Bach and Beethoven being favs for dynamic range, and also Satie for etheralness and humour] to '80s/'90s rock/metal [lots of highs and energy - Def Leppard, Dokken, Joe Satriani! ] to thrash and death metal [Megadeth, Slayer, Type O Negative]. In every instance, the reproduction was good enough to almost make me weep. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 10:39:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:39:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> Message-ID: <08ee01c126f8$1d35e220$123442cf@sank1> Right on, brother! I really thought DVD was going to do itself in completely with that whole DIVX fiasco. The most obvious, "this is going to piss off EVERYBODY" format decision ever. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > > Kannan. S wrote: > > > Still they botched up DVD > > by Region coding S***. The same IPR and copyright issues had kept this > > satellite brodcast (DAB & World Space) to the low quality. > > > Hi Kannan > > the DVDCA [DVD Control Association] and the MPAA have been under regular > investigation by various powers because of this region-coding issue. > > They claim region coding was developed to facilitate staggered releases, > ie. first in the US, then later in the UK, Australia, Asia and so on. > However, this does not explain its presence on just about *every* Hollywood > movie on DVD, even the ones that were released in the '30s, '40s. Makes no > sense, right? > > The real reason behind it is the studios' desire to extract as much profit > from each market as possible. They are using this technology to effectively > fix prices in each market, which is illegal under most nations' laws. > > To make a DVD player, one has to obtain a key from the DVDCA that decrypts > the encoded data on the DVD. I hear it's quite expensive to obtain one. And > if the key leaks out, future discs can be coded to invalidate that key. > > I believe it's high time the US government stopped cossetting this > "fragile" industry and granting it imbalanced weapons in the form of the > DMCA and the UCITA, two laws that rob consumers of their fair-use rights > while giving the software and entertainment industries ludicrous powers > over us. > > Had to get that out of my system. > > If anyone's interested, I can give more info on these laws. > > Remember: "intellectual property" is to property what fool's gold is to > gold. Enuff said. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > All I can say is that the SBM version of the Simon & Garfunkel CD is a big > > improvement over the standard release. One of these days, I will get time > > to compare it to an LP version. > > > "On Every Street" was the first CD I listened to, and it left me positively > underwhelmed. Had high expectations as it was a DDD disc [totally digital]. > Little did I know then... :-) > > How about HDCD, which packs 20-bit resolution on the 16-bit CD format, > while still remaining playable in ordinary CD players? Personally I found > they sounded better than ordinary discs even on normal players. And on > HDCD, it was almost enough to make me say yum! :-) > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd mentioned something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jason Antony" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:58:56 +1000 Hi Kannan the DVDCA [DVD Control Association] and the MPAA have been under regular investigation by various powers because of this region-coding issue. They claim region coding was developed to facilitate staggered releases, ie. first in the US, then later in the UK, Australia, Asia and so on. However, this does not explain its presence on just about *every* Hollywood movie on DVD, even the ones that were released in the '30s, '40s. Makes no sense, right? The real reason behind it is the studios' desire to extract as much profit from each market as possible. They are using this technology to effectively fix prices in each market, which is illegal under most nations' laws. To make a DVD player, one has to obtain a key from the DVDCA that decrypts the encoded data on the DVD. I hear it's quite expensive to obtain one. And if the key leaks out, future discs can be coded to invalidate that key. I believe it's high time the US government stopped cossetting this "fragile" industry and granting it imbalanced weapons in the form of the DMCA and the UCITA, two laws that rob consumers of their fair-use rights while giving the software and entertainment industries ludicrous powers over us. Had to get that out of my system. If anyone's interested, I can give more info on these laws. Remember: "intellectual property" is to property what fool's gold is to gold. Enuff said. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 11:08:48 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:08:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B7D6BC1.5738.C2B7FC@localhost> George Valkov wrote: > That's why I watch DVDs also on my computer with Zone Selector software > added to my hardware MPEG2 decoder (with digital audio outputs) - no > regions, no Macrovision. Good move. Avoid the "region-free" players at all costs, since future DVDs will be programmed to not play on them. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 17 11:14:54 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:14:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <08ee01c126f8$1d35e220$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7D6D2D.12036.C845B4@localhost> Stephen Sank wrote: > Right on, brother! > I really thought DVD was going to do itself in completely with that whole > DIVX fiasco. There are two reasons why it survived and thrived: one, the competing format, DIVX, was so awfully user-unfriendly [remote authentication, expires after set time, licensing - in short, no concrete guarantee that your copy would last for ever, whatever that is] that it stole attention from DVD's copy-protection and region coding schemes. Only now are consumers slowly dawning on to the fact that moving house from US to Australia would render their huge DVD collection worthless unless they bring their player along. Also - people will buy, and pay more, when they get more features and convenience - no more mould, quick access, extra features, killer sound, awesome video, no more rewinding tapes [altho my local video store puts those labels on them :-) ] With the advent of digital television, expect to lose your right to tape shows and programs. Interestingly, the digital rights management system, HDCP, apparently has already been cracked. However, the cracker [who's European] refuses to publish his cryptanalysis. So chances are once the system's in place, a "leak" will occur :-) The reason for his reluctance is because a Russian, Dmitry Sklyarov, was recently arrested and jailed by the FBI when he came to the US to deliver a speech at a tech expo. The FBI was tipped off by Adobe, a software company, whose eBook copy-protection was defeated by Dmitry's company [in Russia] in order to facilitate fair use for Russians. Now, you ask, why should a Russian be arrested for breaking a US law in Russia? By this logic, I would surely be killed if I ever visit Afghanisthan. Welcome to the new age of corporatism. Read more about Dmitry's saga, plus lots of informative links about the DMCA at http://freesklyarov.org/ Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 11:17:32 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:17:32 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Message-ID: Kannan, Thanks for the advice. I just spoke again to my technician and it turns out that B*** have already outdone themselves. There are three wires coming into the PCB in question and three going out from it to the speaker, all in the same connector (6 pins at one end of the PCB). It seems that none of the wires are carrying a purely audio signal, but a combination of some digital information as well, so he cannot find out whether the noise is coming into the PCB or the PCB is the origin. I will try to scan the PCB later today and send it off-list to whoever is interested - Kannan, Javier ? Meanwhile Audi told me "bring in the car and we'll see what we can do", refusing to divulge any technical info whatsoever. Unfortunately the service centre in question is 1800km away -:( - in Germany. The local dealer just gave me blank stare and a big shoulder shrug. Anyone got any ideas how to hack into Bose or Audi ? -:) George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kannan. S" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Bose ICs Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:50:32 +0530 George Try to find the voltages( DC using a digital mutimeter) on different pins of these ICs and compare it with other channel first. This will give away any malfunction of the IC if there is any. Secondly it looks like signal wires coming to some sort of an amplifier on the Speaker cabinet. So you can disconnect the signal wire and check whether the sound appears keeping the power on ( Check the 3 wires and find out which one is having -12V DC and which one is connected to ground + part of the battery - as these two to be connected while signal wire - if you touch with your bare fingers will cause hum on the speakers and generally it should be shielded - should be disconnected) and check whether this noise appear. If you still get the noise the problem is in this module rather than outside. From the description of the sound- I suspect some sort of problem with power Opamp IC having some problem - happens with ICs like STK series or TDA series IC's and generally such ICs will have some sort of heat sink on them. > Hope I have not confused you. It is better to search for replacement after locating the trouble area Kannan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Fri Aug 17 11:48:06 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:48:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Message-ID: <200108170948.f7H9m6601363@mailgate3.cinetic.de> George, if you are able to describe exactly (which kind of car, how old which model of the speaker and so on) what you want to have I probably can assist you getting the parts for your Audi/Bose combination here in Germany. Regards Klaus BTW: If you like to discuss this off-list please write to mailto:kfendt at web.de, so I can reply directly without using this web interface -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 Muenchen Tel. +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Fax. +49 (0) 89 634983-52 UMS: 01212 / 5-11412473 MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 17 11:31:59 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:31:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C Message-ID: Jason! Wow! I thought I had 'catholic' tastes in music. Megadeth to Beethoven, Def Leppard to Satie, and more in between. Very impressive. Marc >>> s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au 08/17/01 10:29AM >>> Kannan. S wrote: > I have found the power of true Dolby NR in Naks Very true. I had actually written off Dolby B NR technology as worthless, since my previous experience was on Akai, Technics and *ugh* Sony decks. The key to Nakamichi's Dolby implementation is its consistency and accuracy. Til date I have yet to hear any anomailes resulting from their use - and believe me, I've thrown all sorts of music at it - from classical [Bach and Beethoven being favs for dynamic range, and also Satie for etheralness and humour] to '80s/'90s rock/metal [lots of highs and energy - Def Leppard, Dokken, Joe Satriani! ] to thrash and death metal [Megadeth, Slayer, Type O Negative]. In every instance, the reproduction was good enough to almost make me weep. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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One of these days, I will get time > to compare it to an LP version. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Antony" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > > > > targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > > > > > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi > stores. > > > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of highs > and > > > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > > > > > Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every > > Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd mentioned > > something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? > > > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 14:12:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:12:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D6D2D.12036.C845B4@localhost> Message-ID: <3B7D0A17.52D90473@yahoo.com> > > The reason for his reluctance is because a Russian, Dmitry Sklyarov, was > recently arrested and jailed by the FBI when he came to the US to deliver a > speech at a tech expo. The FBI was tipped off by Adobe, a software company, > whose eBook copy-protection was defeated by Dmitry's company [in Russia] in > order to facilitate fair use for Russians. WoW! That's a shocker. It's an outrageous act of extraterritoriality on the part of the Federal government. What surprises me is the muted response by Russia! So muted that I hadn't heard about in the mainstream media. It's an insulting violation of their sovereignty and would normally lead to a big mess. I guess the Russians really are in bad shape if they can't defend against something like this. Anyway sorry to get so OT and I'll try not to comment further See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 17 13:45:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:45:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix References: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005201c12716$aaff33e0$52289bca@smarzuki> ..... what can I say ? thanks in advance ? I have exactly similar loading problem with a TD500 ... and about to give it my best shot this weekend - hopefully it's this glue solution. But I do have another problem - the tone pots are bad and almost impossible to find (actually the retracting one one from td700). Stephen, is there any easy way to bypass tone board close to the opamp ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in > regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, > I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. > Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In this > case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when powered > up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep spinning > continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After doing > a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered > improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small electrolytics > that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of capacitor > bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms > accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in > under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. > Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 17 14:16:09 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:16:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] On Topic - RX 202 tip. Message-ID: <005301c12716$b2433fc0$52289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, I have never seen a used RX505 locally, so yesterday I picked up an ugly looking dirty RX202 for a nice price. With a big smile I carried it to my 'bench' ... turned out that it's in a real junk condition !!! So many problems - won't reverse, intermittent stops, head bent down, pots completely out, bad r/p relay, huge logic chips have been resoldered etc. Thanks to Wouter's manual on ftp, now I'm listening to this deck and want to share one tip on intermittent stops (similar to my BX300 problem), maybe this one has been brought up before - I don't know. What looked like intermittent stops appeared to be consistent toward the end of tape (3/4 way) - even with new idler - and motor still pulls good (tested with hand). Finally I noticed that the auto shut off probably became more sensitive and at slower reel rotation it stops. Since I don't have any electrical knowledge to make it less sensitive, I pulled off takeup reel and on the round backplate I added thick strips using silver marker in between existing ones ... it sure works like magic (unlike cd green pen :-). Although counter increases real fast now, at least I can play music to the end .. and watch its famous tape flip trick ! Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Fri Aug 17 14:50:38 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:50:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT... and other stories Message-ID: <4168BD51.2622CB67.026D48C1@netscape.net (Nick)> Javier Perez wrote: >WoW! >That's a shocker. It's an outrageous act of extraterritoriality on the >part >of the Federal government. What surprises me is the muted response by >Russia! >So muted that I hadn't heard about in the mainstream media. It's an >insulting >violation of their sovereignty and would normally lead to a big mess. I >guess the Russians really are in bad shape if they can't defend against >something like this. Anyway sorry to get so OT and I'll try not to >comment >further >See Ya >Javier It's difficult to answer for the whole Russia in general and for Russian Federal Government in particular but the response to this act wasn't so muted. The problem is Mr. Sklyarov was warned about possible consequences of his trip to the USA but nevertheless decided to take the risk. I must assure you that all possible civilized means were taken in order to set Dmitry free but US officials and court are difficult to convince. Extremely sorry for this national off-topic and suggest to move offlist all further comments (if any). Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 17 15:07:06 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:07:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00ad01c1271d$86991a00$54031fac@brianm> I have an August 1997 issue of S-phile, where they talk about the MC275 and Larry Fish Jr. from McIntosh recommended the Teslovak KT-88's. At the time of the writing they said they could be purchased from Mac. The reviewer was amazed w/these tubes. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > out-live anything else by decades. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > Javier > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > mint > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > amp; > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > grab it! > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 17 15:03:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:33:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT... and other stories Message-ID: <006f01c1271c$f7ad93c0$42d60192@vsnl> Sorry about Russia for that matter India - huge democracy does not get the same treatment as China( with large scale human rights violations and dictatorship) from US ( the big brother) India gets very little attention in the US press . Due to IT boom Indians in US constitute a big chung of consumers and so get a bit of attention. This copy right stuff can get really bad. At the same time Linux and the rest of the movement had become a good force to recon with in computer software. Music and Movies are different ball game along with Microsoft products. Russian government does not have enough strength to fight with US as China can - you know what happened to US plane fiasco at chinese territory. I do not think anybody can blame Russia - I have seen much worse treatment in many of the Arab countries where even the embassy of an interest can not get any details about charges or even conviction ( excepting US/UK/German Citizens)! Atleast US human rights group gets their voices heard because of free speech. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Nick To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT... and other stories >Javier Perez wrote: > > >>WoW! >>That's a shocker. It's an outrageous act of extraterritoriality on the >>part >>of the Federal government. What surprises me is the muted response by >>Russia! >>So muted that I hadn't heard about in the mainstream media. It's an >>insulting >>violation of their sovereignty and would normally lead to a big mess. I >>guess the Russians really are in bad shape if they can't defend against >>something like this. Anyway sorry to get so OT and I'll try not to >>comment >>further >>See Ya >>Javier > >It's difficult to answer for the whole Russia in general and for Russian Federal Government in particular but the response to this act wasn't so muted. The problem is Mr. Sklyarov was warned about possible consequences of his trip to the USA but nevertheless decided to take the risk. I must assure you that all possible civilized means were taken in order to set Dmitry free but US officials and court are difficult to convince. > >Extremely sorry for this national off-topic and suggest to move offlist all further comments (if any). > >Regards, > >Nicholas. > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Fri Aug 17 17:40:35 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:40:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's References: <200108170948.f7H9m6601363@mailgate3.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <00ad01c12732$f5300ea0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> another thought george, call chris semple at force 5 automotive- check the vendors pages at the audifans website, he probably has several he can sell you fairly inexpensively. He has always done me well on used parts. erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 17 16:21:02 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:21:02 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates References: <3B7D5C3D.609.861CE2@localhost> Message-ID: <002f01c12728$891ae1e0$57289bca@smarzuki> LOL Jason !!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates > > > Kannan. S wrote: > > > Probably you have to open one window get to these buttons. Once you open the > > windows " where you going today " song will be playing !!! > > > remember when they planned to use the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" as > their intro jingle? The irony would've been heavy with its next verse: > > "You make a grown man cry" > > :-) > > Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 16:50:44 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:50:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <102.78259a4.28ad497c@aol.com> <3B7BFE0A.C487E42D@concentric.net> <3B7C100C.6F112941@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7D2F44.BAE87A3D@concentric.net> Couldn't agree with you more. It's the old battle between content and form. The talented provide the content. Those who cannot, seek ways to make us notice they exist, so they muck with the technicalities: sound, picture or presentation. Often, they manage to destroy the whole thing. Hollywood is famous for turning excellent stage performances into mediocre (at best) films. 'Fer examples': On The Town, Chorus Line, the recent DVD of Cats. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > On movies again: > Those of you old or young enough may remember > track number 7 on Floyd's debut album The piper at > the gates of dawn. It was Intersteller Overdrive, > an outstanding 9.5 minute instrumental featuring > a outlandishly pschizophrenic lead guitar by > either Barret or Waters. There was only one problem. > It wasn't with the music but with the stereo. Towards > the end of the piece they started playing with the stereo effect > All on the left or all on the right or fast switching from left to > right. > It's so annoying that the only way I could get myself to listen to it > is with the mode switch set to mono. A lot of other bands experimented > with stereo and came up with equally unbearable results. Floyd > of course bears the distinction of being the only band to thoroughly > fuck up one of the best damned instrumentals in the history of > hard rock! > Ok now lets fastfoward to the current era and listen to surround sound. > The movies all have moments of unbearable silence where your ears squint > to > hear what's being said followed by unbearably loud rumbling explosive FX > passages > with sound swooshing from front to rear or vice versa. All the surround > tracks > sound like this even the 5.1s with discrete surrounds. Additionally the > auxilliary > sounds like glasses clinking or keys dropping on a drawer are unaturally > loud or > out of place spatially. > I get the same feeling watching a surround sound movie that I got from > the stereo > version of Floyd's IO. That they were like monkeys playing with the > controls. > In 66 Stereo had been around for a good 20 years but they were only > beginning > to discover things like depth or imaging. Now in 2001 surround has also > been around > for about 20 years but similarly they are only beginning to figure out > how use it. Hopefully > the audio portion of the next generation of movies will be bearable and > truly > 3 dimensional without being overbearing and artificial. > > See Ya > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/16/2001 6:43:09 AM Central Daylight > > Time, > > kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > > > > God how can you see even two movies in a week????? > > > Are you in movies? > > > Kannan > > > > I watch more than 2 movies a week on a regular basis. I > > love movies, of several genres. That's why I have a HT > > setup. I also have over two hundred LDs, about 60 or 70 > > DVDs and well over 200 cassette tapes. Among my friends, > > this is quite common. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Fri Aug 17 17:03:42 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:03:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: <3B7D514B.12835.5B5894@localhost> References: <00c101c12305$05d469e0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817105707.00a710b0@mail.verizon.net> >Kannan. S wrote: > > Only think I know about Bill gates system is - it will have robust > > "Shutdown" button on it ..... >Unfortunately, you'll have to press the "Start" button to get to "shutdown" >:-) - logical, oy? > >Jason ============================== ... No less logical than Nakamichi putting the Fast-Forward button on the left and the Rewind button on the right on the 582 (and siblings) deck, or putting the record button directly below the play button with no space in between, on the allegedly "pro" MR-1. That's a disaster waiting to happen, and an incredibly stupid stupid design on an otherwise fine deck. One slight slip and you wipe your tape. _______________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 17:17:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:17:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7D357E.15CA9EA3@concentric.net> Wooo, slow down... You don't have to do it if you don't wanna. I don't view this as sacrilege. Modifying bias usually involves replacement of a single resistor. No biggie. Most amps do have a bias adjustment. If the Mac has an automatic DC bias loop, you need do nothing, the circuit will take care of itself. As to the output transformer -- this has nothing to do with bias. The 6L6, EL34, KT66 and several other output tubes in that family require the same load impedance and are interchangeable from that point of view, regardless of output stage configuration. The only drawback I see is Misha's point of higher filament power, that the power xformer better be able to supply. The increase is under 10% of total draw and, in most cases, is no biggie, either. I did this to mono power amps many years ago (not Macs), with very gratifying results. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Amen > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > They have their own criscross something > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > even if the bias is reset. > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > mint > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > amp; > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 16:31:51 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:31:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <3B7D5208.10942.5E3CA7@localhost> <088201c126ef$3fd5cce0$123442cf@sank1> <004801c12712$3532c9a0$29756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <099e01c12729$5be289c0$123442cf@sank1> I've been actively looking for a 7.5ips reel of the bridge over troubled waters album for a few months now. Got a 3.75ips easily, but it wasn't much to listen to. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > I wonder how the reel sounds. I saw Art at U of D a few months back, he did > a really nice job of Bridge O.T. Waters. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > All I can say is that the SBM version of the Simon & Garfunkel CD is a big > > improvement over the standard release. One of these days, I will get time > > to compare it to an LP version. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Antony" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > > > > > > > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi > > stores. > > > > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of > highs > > and > > > > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > > > > > > > > Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every > > > Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd > mentioned > > > something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 16:42:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:42:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <00ad01c1271d$86991a00$54031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <09bc01c1272a$e77e2c40$123442cf@sank1> Also not good tubes. Just the best that Mac could guarantee steady supply of for the MC275 re-issue amps. Won't hold a candle to real Genalex KT-88's or RCA/TungSol or GE 6550A's. It's pretty damned amazing to have a 40 year old MC275 on my bench & find the original stock output tubes of these makes to be in perfect condition. Yet, this is the case more than 75 percent of the time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > I have an August 1997 issue of S-phile, where they talk about the MC275 and > Larry Fish Jr. from McIntosh recommended the Teslovak KT-88's. At the time > of the writing they said they could be purchased from Mac. The reviewer was > amazed w/these tubes. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that > the > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage > black > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or > preamp > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > mint > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new > tubes). > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > amp; > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original > tubes). > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 17 16:33:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:33:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix References: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> <005201c12716$aaff33e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <09a801c12729$a18d02c0$123442cf@sank1> I'll try to remember to look at the tone amp section in the manual when I get to the shop today & get back to you later. I'm sure it can be done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > ..... what can I say ? thanks in advance ? I have exactly similar loading > problem with a TD500 ... and about to give it my best shot this weekend - > hopefully it's this glue solution. But I do have another problem - the tone > pots are bad and almost impossible to find (actually the retracting one one > from td700). Stephen, is there any easy way to bypass tone board close to > the opamp ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > > > If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in > > regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, > > I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. > > Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In > this > > case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when > powered > > up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep > spinning > > continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After > doing > > a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered > > improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small > electrolytics > > that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of > capacitor > > bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms > > accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in > > under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. > > Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 17:51:08 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:51:08 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Message-ID: Thanks Erie, And the audifans website is ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "erie patsellis" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:40:35 -0700 another thought george, call chris semple at force 5 automotive- check the vendors pages at the audifans website, he probably has several he can sell you fairly inexpensively. He has always done me well on used parts. erie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Fri Aug 17 20:06:07 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:06:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's References: Message-ID: <002701c12747$4a8cfe80$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> sorry... try www.audifans.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE IC's > Thanks Erie, > > And the audifans website is ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "erie patsellis" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE IC's > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:40:35 -0700 > > another thought george, > > call chris semple at force 5 automotive- > check the vendors pages at the audifans > website, he probably has several he can sell > you fairly inexpensively. He has always > done me well on used parts. > > > erie > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Aug 17 18:23:28 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:23:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <3B7D5208.10942.5E3CA7@localhost> <088201c126ef$3fd5cce0$123442cf@sank1> <004801c12712$3532c9a0$29756acf@johnrotten> <099e01c12729$5be289c0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <011701c12738$f3094f50$29756acf@johnrotten> I wonder if there is such a beast! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > I've been actively looking for a 7.5ips reel of the bridge over troubled > waters album for a few months now. Got a 3.75ips easily, but it wasn't much > to listen to. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > I wonder how the reel sounds. I saw Art at U of D a few months back, he > did > > a really nice job of Bridge O.T. Waters. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > > > All I can say is that the SBM version of the Simon & Garfunkel CD is a > big > > > improvement over the standard release. One of these days, I will get > time > > > to compare it to an LP version. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jason Antony" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > targowski at mediaone.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dire Straits have always been the darling recordings at the hi-fi > > > stores. > > > > > The recordings were very well done, and there was always a lot of > > highs > > > and > > > > > lots of lows to make it sound great on even worse equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just bought an SBM'd remaster of their underrated swansong, "On Every > > > > Street", and the sonic improvements are audible. Stephen, you'd > > mentioned > > > > something about SBM before. Have you noticed any worthwhile gain? > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 17 18:17:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:17:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix References: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> <005201c12716$aaff33e0$52289bca@smarzuki> <09a801c12729$a18d02c0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001a01c12738$2be58b00$54289bca@smarzuki> Thank you Stephen. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > I'll try to remember to look at the tone amp section in the manual when I > get to the shop today & get back to you later. I'm sure it can be done. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 18:44:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:44:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio Message-ID: <12a.2eda7bc.28aea3d2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/2001 2:17:36 AM Central Daylight Time, s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: << I strongly doubt they'd be in MP3 format. He's more likely to use his own proprietary WMA® format which is inferior to MP3 IMO. Cheers Jason >> This is true. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 18:47:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:47:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2001 3:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << True I have found the power of true Dolby NR in Naks -Generally they are so clean and you can depend on them. But if you play tapes on different machines non naks) better to avoid as Dolby level refers to actual magnetic flux levels on tape / strict adherence to play/ record level setting is essential for trouble free Dolby decoding. Kannan >> Although Dolby C anomalies are unpredictable from one tape deck to another, it is generally considered "safe" to use Dolby B as it seems to produce the same effects in various decks. If you record without any noise reduction, won't your cassettes contain a dreadful "hiss?" -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 18:50:51 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:50:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... Message-ID: <41.fbe92d8.28aea56b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/2001 10:42:37 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Also not good tubes. Just the best that Mac could guarantee steady supply of for the MC275 re-issue amps. Won't hold a candle to real Genalex KT-88's or RCA/TungSol or GE 6550A's. It's pretty damned amazing to have a 40 year old MC275 on my bench & find the original stock output tubes of these makes to be in perfect condition. Yet, this is the case more than 75 percent of the time. >> It appears from the reviews I've been reading, and the comments shared in this forum that besides the sound, the build quality of Mac's is very high. Would you rate their build quality any higher than, let's say ML or one of the big boys? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I believe it was this month's Stereophile that featured a Sharp 1-bit digital amplifier (I didn't know Sharp made high-end stereo equipment). Any thoughts on the advantages/disadvantages of digital amplifiers? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 18:57:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:57:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <96.18c55a0b.28aea6e6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/2001 3:47:22 AM Central Daylight Time, nealw at decillion.net writes: << it was a very interesting exercise. i'm not sure what other people have found but would be interested in hearing your views. i bought quite a few of these disks for key recordings... >> Is SBM Sony Bit Masters? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 19:03:57 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:03:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <001401c12646$01f6c400$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: A film that has leaved me mouth-open is FINAL FANTASY. From japan. Incredibly well done mix of virtual / real pictures. Beautiful story, to be seen with the eyes of a child. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:38:52 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:38:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools Message-ID: Plenty of ideas to spread. A passion to consume. No reference Nak tape in hand. You can make high precision references tapes by yourself. Let me perhaps 2 or 3 days to write the method I invented about 8 months ago. Yours, Matyas PS: This once, I guess you will find it even more clever that the obvious zenith adjustment !!! I will be ready to make a PDF to be placed on Naks.com if an expert as Stephen Sank gives is approbation on my method's wealth. (For now, this week-end, I am going to listen at my 1000ZXL friend's home a ReVox B-215S (the black one) on Matrix 802 s2 with a ReVox B-250S ampli) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 19:08:35 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:08:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment References: <00b001c12607$bc7b2c60$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Friends, An add-on for the Zenith adjustment. I recommended you to adjust the playback head with extreme caution, and be very more than gentle when you re place the pad lifter ! Altought I done Zenith perfectly, once I make my FR measurments after mecanical adjustments, left chanel showed a non uniform responce against the right channel in rec/replay. Then, I have re-check tilt, I taked out the pad lifter, then I discovered the playback head zenith has lightly moved ! By the simple pressure you give to install the pad lifter. So I have readjusted the PBH zenith. And re-installed the pad lifter after that I unbend it. Now the 680ZX I repair perform a FR (-20dBV-tdk MA) from 8 Hz to 23,6 kHz +/- 3 dB. In a ratio of the Lch against the Rch of -0.25 dB min @ 100 Hz to +0.48 dB @ 20 kHz Not so bad indeed ? Be aware on pad lifter placement ! Kannan, for now I report to a non determinated time the build of the 1000ZXL PB amp. As I have not the time for it and as the quality of the 582 & 680ZX are f*kin outstanding ! Stephen, what about other manufacters zenith adjusments ? Matyas ______ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Thanks Matyas. let me try to understand it better. Just a look of the picture I got your idea. What are your chances of trying out 1000ZXl playback amp . I thought you are halfway on that Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Zenith adjustment Hi all ! Let's share ideas... ;o) I am quite intrigued on what is inventive in my method... I work as electronician apprentice, just starts 3rd year on 4. Just worked on Sony stuff, and Nakamichi at home. How did for example, Tandberg to adjust tilt on 3014 ? and any RTR deck manufacturer too ?? - > > > > >Excellent & inventive method of tilt adjustment, Matyas. Good work. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 19:15:57 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> <3B7D357E.15CA9EA3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7D514D.A0F7A6A9@yahoo.com> If you take a "static approach it shouldn't matter as long as the load on the plates is approiate but those trannies qere designed around 6l6s and their peculiarities. Naturally you can drop anything you want in there as long as it's octal and it may work reliably but will you want to be the guy listening to it? I received an MA230 converted to 7581s (6l6 on steroids) it sounded lousey. I put in a quad of old and tired 7591a and rebiased It sounded beautiful. Later I took the 7581s and installed them on my already great sounding MC40s. They still sounded great! Setting bias will make things work but issues like load inductance and capacitance will make a big difference in frequency response and distortion. Ultimately all macs were designed by ear and swapping out tubes defeats that purpose See Ya Javier President International Order of the MC40 Ron wrote: > > Wooo, slow down... You don't have to do it if you > don't wanna. I don't view this as sacrilege. > Modifying bias usually involves replacement of a > single resistor. No biggie. Most amps do have a > bias adjustment. If the Mac has an automatic DC > bias loop, you need do nothing, the circuit will > take care of itself. > > As to the output transformer -- this has nothing to > do with bias. The 6L6, EL34, KT66 and several other > output tubes in that family require the same load > impedance and are interchangeable from that point > of view, regardless of output stage configuration. > > The only drawback I see is Misha's point of higher > filament power, that the power xformer better be > able to supply. The increase is under 10% of total > draw and, in most cases, is no biggie, either. I did > this to mono power amps many years ago (not Macs), > with very gratifying results. > > -- Ron > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Amen > > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > > They have their own criscross something > > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > > even if the bias is reset. > > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > > Javier > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > > mint > > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > > amp; > > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 19:19:22 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:19:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <41.fbe92d8.28aea56b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7D521A.2D68CB97@yahoo.com> Sam Mac are the Big Boys all the others are cutsey butterflies with thich front plates. Macs are the best built commercially available audio components IMHO Also, of all the stuff out there Macs are just, in your face American. Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/17/2001 10:42:37 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Also not good tubes. Just the best that Mac could guarantee steady supply > of for the MC275 re-issue amps. Won't hold a candle to real Genalex KT-88's > or RCA/TungSol or GE 6550A's. It's pretty damned amazing to have a 40 year > old MC275 on my bench & find the original stock output tubes of these makes > to be in perfect condition. Yet, this is the case more than 75 percent of > the time. >> > > It appears from the reviews I've been reading, and the comments shared in > this forum that besides the sound, the build quality of Mac's is very high. > Would you rate their build quality any higher than, let's say ML or one of > the big boys? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 17 19:20:56 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:20:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <3B7D5D2E.7522.89C6EF@localhost> <08f601c126f8$7d004880$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B7D5278.523E2ADF@earthlink.net> I couldn't agree with you more, Stephen. I tell my customers all the time that it doesn't matter if it's solid state or tube, upsampling or red book, HDCD or red book, etc, etc, etc. What counts is the implementation of the technology. To help make my point, I've hooked up two integrated amplifiers, one tube (Manley Stingray) and one solid state (Electrocompaniet ECI3) and, without telling the customer which is playing, I ask him to guess which is solid state. Not a single customer has guessed right. I also have a Electrocompaniet CD player (red book) that I've put up against the Sony SCD-1 (SACD) on numerous occasions, in different systems, and there has not been a single instance where the Sony sounded better. Listen to your ears, not to all the marketing BS. Jim Volpatti PS I apologize to the people who took the time to email me personally with their questions. I've been absolutely swamped with business over the last week or so. I'll try to catch up on my email today. Stephen Sank wrote: > > In my testing for the Denon DVD5000 review, I used an HDCD disc in one > instance. Played back on the Denon & on a Krell KPS-25s with HDCD decoding, > and on my Pioneer CLD-95/Museatex BiDAT combo without benefit of HDCD. The > BiDAT kicked the crap out of both of the others. It seems to me that it's > more a matter of execution than of HDCD/not HDCD. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Aug 17 19:24:12 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:24:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] On Topic - RX 202 tip. In-Reply-To: <005301c12716$b2433fc0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: The famous tape flip trick....funny you mention that. When I hooked up the RX505 I just got, my girlfriend asked what in the heck it was. "It's a tape deck." "Awefully big for a tape deck, isn't it?" "It does something cool," I say....and I hit the reverse button "OH MY GOSH....NEATO...how does it do that?????" hehehe Gotta love the 'famous tape flip trick'. Alex > Although counter increases real fast now, at least I can play music to the > end .. and watch its famous tape flip trick ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 17 19:23:11 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:23:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/2001 12:20:46 PM Central Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << Sam Mac are the Big Boys all the others are cutsey butterflies with thich front plates. Macs are the best built commercially available audio components IMHO Also, of all the stuff out there Macs are just, in your face American. Javier >> LOL - ok Javier. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 17 21:52:03 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:52:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates References: <3B7D5C3D.609.861CE2@localhost> Message-ID: <007401c12756$1799a320$65f73fd0@oemcomputer> they didn't plan to use start me up it was the theme song for windows 95 gates paid the stones somewhere around 15 million for the rights Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Antony" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates > > > Kannan. S wrote: > > > Probably you have to open one window get to these buttons. Once you open the > > windows " where you going today " song will be playing !!! > > > remember when they planned to use the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" as > their intro jingle? The irony would've been heavy with its next verse: > > "You make a grown man cry" > > :-) > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 22:12:31 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:12:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D0136599B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3B7D7AAF.42CF73FB@concentric.net> Different strokes for different folks, I guess... My first 2 Naks only had Dolby B. I tried a cheap Dolby C outboard unit, got unpleasant pumping effects and gave up on it. My current CR-7 does have Dolby C. Tried it out and found it was very similar to the B flavor (both are satisfactorily quiet). Since all my tapes were already in Dolby B, including prerecorded cassettes, I saw no reason to complicate life by introducing a new format, so I still use Dolby B exclusively. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Hi Jason, > > I totally agree. Dolby C just makes my bx-300 or ZX-9 sound absolutely fantastic, however if played on another brand of deck using Dolby C it sounds like it has a bit of a "breathing" effect. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Antony [mailto:s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au] > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 5:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > I note that Kannan prefers Dolby C to B. Hi Fi journalists in the UK > > generally wrote off Dolby C, saying it gets in the way of the clarity of a > > recording, even more than Dolby B. I've not had a chance to give enough > > listening between the two to compare, although I suspect the differences may > > have as much to do with how the Dolby has been set up on a particular > > recorder than any inherent weakness of C compared with B, but I'm guessing. > > Anyone got a view on this? > > Hi Graham > > I have been using Dolby C on my LX-3 and it outperforms, or is as good as, > Dolby B NR. No audible artifacts are present while the LX-3 plays them back > either. > > There is one exclusion: on tapes for other decks, I don't use anyt NR as it > introduces artifacts [swooshy whirly psychedelic effects, if you know what > I mean :-) - esp. B NR] > > Cheers > Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 22:14:43 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:14:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Expensive Audio Systems ... References: <3B7D5085.17211.585268@localhost> Message-ID: <3B7D7B33.27486B@concentric.net> Jason Antony wrote: > > mick s wrote: > > > the French > > Opera singer Natalie Dessaix / Mado Robin (I think) who could both shatter a > > champagne glass with the sound waves from their incredibly high pitched > > voices. > > Any idea what Hz. they manage to hit? Easy to find out. Ping your favorite goblet. The tone you hear is the tone that will shatter it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 22:42:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:42:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> Message-ID: <3B7D81AA.EB81E6C7@concentric.net> Jason Antony wrote: > > Kannan. S wrote: > > > Still they botched up DVD > > by Region coding S***. The same IPR and copyright issues had kept this > > satellite brodcast (DAB & World Space) to the low quality. > > Hi Kannan > > the DVDCA [DVD Control Association] and the MPAA have been under regular > investigation by various powers because of this region-coding issue. > > They claim region coding was developed to facilitate staggered releases, > ie. first in the US, then later in the UK, Australia, Asia and so on. > However, this does not explain its presence on just about *every* Hollywood > movie on DVD, even the ones that were released in the '30s, '40s. Makes no > sense, right? > > The real reason behind it is the studios' desire to extract as much profit > from each market as possible. They are using this technology to effectively > fix prices in each market, which is illegal under most nations' laws. > > To make a DVD player, one has to obtain a key from the DVDCA that decrypts > the encoded data on the DVD. I hear it's quite expensive to obtain one. And > if the key leaks out, future discs can be coded to invalidate that key. > > I believe it's high time the US government stopped cossetting this > "fragile" industry and granting it imbalanced weapons in the form of the > DMCA and the UCITA, two laws that rob consumers of their fair-use rights > while giving the software and entertainment industries ludicrous powers > over us. > > Had to get that out of my system. I understand your frustration, but can't help but say a few words in defense of content providers. Because of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the brink of bankruptcy. Only this weekend, we heard on TV that movies that cost a fortune to make only brought back, in their first week, a measly 40 or 50 million bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in adequate pocket money. The truth is that some films actually bring less than a hundred million green ones in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain the standard of living to which they are accustomed? Some people object to paying the hidden tax attached to each blank cassette sold in the country and paid to the recording industry. Such people are oblivious of the need to protect starving artists, such as Madonna or Michael Jackson, from criminals that copy CDs -- if it weren't for such hoodlums, the studios would voluntarily beg the government to repudiate this tax immediately. -- Ron > > If anyone's interested, I can give more info on these laws. > > Remember: "intellectual property" is to property what fool's gold is to > gold. Enuff said. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 17 23:21:20 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:21:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> <3B7D357E.15CA9EA3@concentric.net> <3B7D514D.A0F7A6A9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7D8AD0.B966EC2D@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > If you take a "static approach it shouldn't matter > as long as the load on the plates is approiate but > those trannies qere designed around 6l6s and their > peculiarities. Naturally you can drop anything you want in there > as long as it's octal and it may work reliably but will you > want to be the guy listening to it? I sure would, since the EL34 were noticeably cleaner. Otherwise, what's the point of the whole exercise? > I received an MA230 converted to 7581s (6l6 on steroids) > it sounded lousey. I put in a quad of old and tired 7591a and rebiased > It sounded beautiful. Later I took the 7581s and installed > them on my already great sounding MC40s. They still sounded > great! > > Setting bias will make things work but > issues like load inductance and capacitance > will make a big difference in frequency response > and distortion. Ultimately all macs were designed by ear > and swapping out tubes defeats that purpose Load impedance will affect all tubes more or less equally. There are large differences between any two tubes of the same designation (which is why we often matched them in pairs). When I did the change, the 6L6 was already a dated design. The EL34 was said to be better, and in practice, was. I doubt the Macs were 'designed by ear' -- technically, a very unsound method. (I can explain more fully if you wish.) I doubt anyone ever used it and stayed in business. Listening tests probably complemented the design, though. In short, replacing with a compatible tube type does not constitute 'Mac molestation' nor does it defeat the design purpose. -- Ron > > See Ya > Javier > President > International Order of the MC40 > > Ron wrote: > > > > Wooo, slow down... You don't have to do it if you > > don't wanna. I don't view this as sacrilege. > > Modifying bias usually involves replacement of a > > single resistor. No biggie. Most amps do have a > > bias adjustment. If the Mac has an automatic DC > > bias loop, you need do nothing, the circuit will > > take care of itself. > > > > As to the output transformer -- this has nothing to > > do with bias. The 6L6, EL34, KT66 and several other > > output tubes in that family require the same load > > impedance and are interchangeable from that point > > of view, regardless of output stage configuration. > > > > The only drawback I see is Misha's point of higher > > filament power, that the power xformer better be > > able to supply. The increase is under 10% of total > > draw and, in most cases, is no biggie, either. I did > > this to mono power amps many years ago (not Macs), > > with very gratifying results. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Amen > > > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > > > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > > > They have their own criscross something > > > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > > > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > > > even if the bias is reset. > > > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > > > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > > > Javier > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > > > mint > > > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > > > amp; > > > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 00:41:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:41:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> <3B7D357E.15CA9EA3@concentric.net> <3B7D514D.A0F7A6A9@yahoo.com> <3B7D8AD0.B966EC2D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7D9DA1.B5502B9C@yahoo.com> Perhaps I should have said they were refined by ear. Once you've got the enineering down right the ear is all that's left. You use it if you want the piano to sound like a piano. If I were ever to convert an MC40 it would probably be to 7591s. Now there's a great tube. When I first got into tubes, it was with an old Scott LK72. I remember it sounded great even on my cheap speakers, and I played it loud! I assumed that any modern amp would do circles around it. Since then I've heard tons of "better" gear; cleaner sound, yes more detailed sound, yes but 7591 sound never Javier PS: I said load inductance Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > If you take a "static approach it shouldn't matter > > as long as the load on the plates is approiate but > > those trannies qere designed around 6l6s and their > > peculiarities. Naturally you can drop anything you want in there > > as long as it's octal and it may work reliably but will you > > want to be the guy listening to it? > > I sure would, since the EL34 were noticeably cleaner. > Otherwise, what's the point of the whole exercise? > > > I received an MA230 converted to 7581s (6l6 on steroids) > > it sounded lousey. I put in a quad of old and tired 7591a and rebiased > > It sounded beautiful. Later I took the 7581s and installed > > them on my already great sounding MC40s. They still sounded > > great! > > > > Setting bias will make things work but > > issues like load inductance and capacitance > > will make a big difference in frequency response > > and distortion. Ultimately all macs were designed by ear > > and swapping out tubes defeats that purpose > > Load impedance will affect all tubes more or less > equally. > > There are large differences between any two tubes of > the same designation (which is why we often matched > them in pairs). When I did the change, the 6L6 was > already a dated design. The EL34 was said to be better, > and in practice, was. I doubt the Macs were 'designed > by ear' -- technically, a very unsound method. (I can > explain more fully if you wish.) I doubt anyone ever > used it and stayed in business. Listening tests > probably complemented the design, though. > > In short, replacing with a compatible tube type does > not constitute 'Mac molestation' nor does it defeat > the design purpose. > > -- Ron > > > > > See Ya > > Javier > > President > > International Order of the MC40 > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Wooo, slow down... You don't have to do it if you > > > don't wanna. I don't view this as sacrilege. > > > Modifying bias usually involves replacement of a > > > single resistor. No biggie. Most amps do have a > > > bias adjustment. If the Mac has an automatic DC > > > bias loop, you need do nothing, the circuit will > > > take care of itself. > > > > > > As to the output transformer -- this has nothing to > > > do with bias. The 6L6, EL34, KT66 and several other > > > output tubes in that family require the same load > > > impedance and are interchangeable from that point > > > of view, regardless of output stage configuration. > > > > > > The only drawback I see is Misha's point of higher > > > filament power, that the power xformer better be > > > able to supply. The increase is under 10% of total > > > draw and, in most cases, is no biggie, either. I did > > > this to mono power amps many years ago (not Macs), > > > with very gratifying results. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > > > > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > > > > They have their own criscross something > > > > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > > > > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > > > > even if the bias is reset. > > > > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > > > > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > > > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > > > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > > > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > > > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > > > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > > > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > > > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > > > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > > > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > > > > mint > > > > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > > > > amp; > > > > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > > > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 18 00:57:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:57:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> <3B7D81AA.EB81E6C7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B7DA162.9BB2481B@earthlink.net> "How do we expect studio heard to maintain the standard of living to which they are accustomed?" Frankly, I couldn't care less. The people at the top of the entertainment food chain have had it way too good too long. The poor movie moguls and actors can't live on $7 million dollars per year or $15 million per movie? Good! The studios' industry associations and public relations department have gotten together to start a public relations campaign to "educate" the public about all this "criminal activity". Screw Hollywood! Maybe I'd care a little more if the US movie industry didn't turn out such crap. As far as the music industry is concerned. websites like Napster are the best thing that's come along in quite a while. If you talk to the average person who downloads free music from the internet, they will tell you that they usually go to the website to download a song but if they like the other music by that same artist, which the site makes available, more times that not they will actually go out and purchase the CD. The public wins, the artist wins and so do the music industry executives. Not only that, but sites like Napster have freed up the distribution strangle hold that the Big Five music labels have held on the entire music industry, so that the starving artists who would never have a chance at gaining public exposure now have a viable distribution channel. Jim Volpatti > > I understand your frustration, but can't help but say > a few words in defense of content providers. Because > of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the > brink of bankruptcy. Only this weekend, we heard on TV > that movies that cost a fortune to make only brought > back, in their first week, a measly 40 or 50 million > bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in > adequate pocket money. The truth is that some films > actually bring less than a hundred million green ones > in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain > the standard of living to which they are accustomed? > > Some people object to paying the hidden tax attached > to each blank cassette sold in the country and paid > to the recording industry. Such people are oblivious > of the need to protect starving artists, such as > Madonna or Michael Jackson, from criminals that copy > CDs -- if it weren't for such hoodlums, the studios > would voluntarily beg the government to repudiate > this tax immediately. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 18 01:15:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:15:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD References: <96.18c55a0b.28aea6e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <0a3c01c12772$72a5ad60$123442cf@sank1> "SBM"="Super Bit Mapping". It's a technique of using 20-bit mastering, then using a specific algorithm(s) to take it down to 16-bit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD > In a message dated 8/17/2001 3:47:22 AM Central Daylight Time, > nealw at decillion.net writes: > > << it was a very interesting exercise. i'm not sure what other people have > found but would be interested in hearing your views. i bought quite a few of > these disks for key recordings... > >> > > Is SBM Sony Bit Masters? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vinl4evr at swbell.net Sat Aug 18 06:21:24 2001 From: vinl4evr at swbell.net (Dennis Reese) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:21:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: Message-ID: <000601c1279d$3e93b1e0$f019bcd0@vinl4evr> Fyi. Just saw this and thought I would pass it along. I have no knowledge of the seller or financial interest at all. dr "brianm" wrote in message news:... > Nakamichi: > > > > > > > > > New Page 1 > > > > > Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck > The deck is in excellent condition, it was completely gone through > one year > ago by ES Labs, www.eslabs.com .  It may > have 10 hours on it since returning from ES Labs. > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > www.wbtusa.com , > these go for about $150. > I have a copy of the manual and the remote control. > After owning a number of decks, I have come to learn that it's almost > a > guarantee it will need at least general servicing if it has not > recently had > it.  You can purchase this with confidence that it is correct. > If you are not familiar with the CR-7A, it is loaded with features, > especially auto-calibration and adjustable playback azimuth.  I have > been > in many Nak discussions.  Which deck is considered "the" best is > always an interesting one.  I will make no claims, but the CR-7A is > always > in the discussion. > > > > > > > Price: $750.00 > > -== Article posted by: brianm ==- > More info at: http://www.audioweb.com/ad/adinfo.asp?adid=96936 > Article sent via AudioWeb - http://www.audioweb.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 18 04:47:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:47:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: References: <000601c1279d$3e93b1e0$f019bcd0@vinl4evr> Message-ID: <0aec01c12790$2891c420$123442cf@sank1> Isn't that from our own Brian Miller? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Reese" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: > Fyi. Just saw this and thought I would pass it along. I have no > knowledge of the seller or financial interest at all. > dr > > "brianm" wrote in message > news:... > > Nakamichi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Page 1 > > > > > > > > > > Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck > > The deck is in excellent condition, it was completely gone through > > one year > > ago by ES Labs, www.eslabs.com . It may > > have 10 hours on it since returning from ES Labs. > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > www.wbtusa.com , > > these go for about $150. > > I have a copy of the manual and the remote control. > > After owning a number of decks, I have come to learn that it's almost > > a > > guarantee it will need at least general servicing if it has not > > recently had > > it. You can purchase this with confidence that it is correct. > > If you are not familiar with the CR-7A, it is loaded with features, > > especially auto-calibration and adjustable playback azimuth. I have > > been > > in many Nak discussions. Which deck is considered "the" best is > > always an interesting one. I will make no claims, but the CR-7A is > > always > > in the discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Price: $750.00 > > > > -== Article posted by: brianm ==- > > More info at: http://www.audioweb.com/ad/adinfo.asp?adid=96936 > > Article sent via AudioWeb - http://www.audioweb.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sir_stewart at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 03:15:11 2001 From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 03:15:11 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Message-ID: George, Here in Oz, the VW Golf has as an optional extra the same Bose multi-speaker system as the Audi. Have you tried tried with VW for the Bose IC's that you require? Mick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Aug 18 06:15:15 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:45:15 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <00a301c1279c$629fb620$42d60192@vsnl> Unfortunately the studio chaps pocket money is in millions while our hard earned cash on a DVD player still would not permit play a legal copy of DVD( brought from US ) here in India just because I sit in India but not in US?? and not bought a player from US. Do you call this a sane format definition? Infact I heard that they are planning to build a GPS rceiever in each DVD player and even if you buy a player from US ; the new region coding scheme will not allow the player to play a region one DVD in India or any other country other than region one area!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories >Jason Antony wrote: >> >> Kannan. S wrote: >> > >I understand your frustration, but can't help but say >a few words in defense of content providers. a measly 40 or 50 million >bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in >adequate pocket money. The truth is that some films >actually bring less than a hundred million green ones >in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain >the standard of living to which they are accustomed? > > > >-- Ron > > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Aug 18 06:39:42 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:09:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories Message-ID: <00ed01c1279f$cca17060$42d60192@vsnl> Infact CD price had remained almost at 12 - 15$ range for 16 years or so and the cheap CD player price had come down from 1000$++ to 50$ at present! Imagine a complex DVD player sells for 100 $ while some CDs cost 17 $ a piece - any justification to this anomoly? Greed is the norm of music Industry and if only they can sell Cd' at 3-5 $ a piece I think it will wipe out Piracy. And what is cost of production - less than 50 cents? Napster/ MP3 com had a lot to unknown underground bands. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories >"How do we expect studio heard to maintain the standard of living to >which they are accustomed?" > >Frankly, I couldn't care less. The people at the top of the >entertainment food chain have had it way too good too long. The poor >movie moguls and actors can't live on $7 million dollars per year or $15 >million per movie? Good! > >>As far as the music industry is concerned. websites like Napster are the >best thing that's come along in quite a while. If you talk to the >average person who downloads free music from the internet, they will >tell you that they usually go to the website to download a song but if >they like the other music by that same artist, which the site makes >available, more times that not they will actually go out and purchase >the CD. The public wins, the artist wins and so do the music industry >executives. Not only that, but sites like Napster have freed up the >distribution strangle hold that the Big Five music labels have held on >the entire music industry, so that the starving artists who would never >have a chance at gaining public exposure now have a viable distribution >channel. > >Jim Volpatti > > > >> >> I understand your frustration, but can't help but say >> a few words in defense of content providers. Because >> of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the >> brink of bankruptcy. Only this weekend, we heard on TV >> that movies that cost a fortune to make only brought >> back, in their first week, a measly 40 or 50 million >> bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in >> adequate pocket money. The truth is that some films >> actually bring less than a hundred million green ones >> in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain >> the standard of living to which they are accustomed? >> >> Some people object to paying the hidden tax attached >> to each blank cassette sold in the country and paid >> to the recording industry. Such people are oblivious >> of the need to protect starving artists, such as >> Madonna or Michael Jackson, from criminals that copy >> CDs -- if it weren't for such hoodlums, the studios >> would voluntarily beg the government to repudiate >> this tax immediately. >> >> -- Ron >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Aug 18 09:31:38 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:31:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: Hi Sam, The Sharp unit and the one from TACT (the Millenium) have been around for some time, three years at least. They are very quiet, distortion-free, devices. There seems to be a question about their linearity at low outputs if I remember correctly. While reviewers are uniformly enthusiastic about both of them, they do not represent such a noticable, quantum leap that their designers hoped for. There are so many good regular ( I hesitate to call them analogue) amplifiers around, that digital amplifiers, however well executed, are barely viable and will probably remain a hi-fi show curiosity for many years to come. The Millenium is upwards of UK Sterling 10 000.00. It is a 200W/8 OHM design with excellent current reserves. A similar unit from say, Chord or Meridian will be one fifth of that, even if you include adequate power conditioning, cabling and competent ancilliaries (which you should!) and needless to say, sound brilliant. One thing digital amps seem to have done, is reminded one and all that the limiting factor in realistic music reproduction in the home is, and will probably remain for some time, the speakers. This is closely followed by the listening room itself. Marc >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 08/17/01 06:54PM >>> In a message dated 8/17/2001 3:12:42 AM Central Daylight Time, s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: << He is not alone in this observation. One of my all-time favourite guitarists, Steve Vai, refuses to do serious work in digital. He says that digital "sterilises the music, robs it of soul". How true. Jason >> Yes, I would agree as I prefer analog. However, it does appear at least that digital is being forced upon us. What's the next big digital product on the horizon? Digital amplifiers. I believe it was this month's Stereophile that featured a Sharp 1-bit digital amplifier (I didn't know Sharp made high-end stereo equipment). Any thoughts on the advantages/disadvantages of digital amplifiers? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 18 11:41:32 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:41:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c127c9$f6c1f2a0$af3d883e@a4s1s2> Mick 'Ere! Wot's this "Sir Stewart", then? Should this peasant duff 'is cap, m'lud? ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of mick s Sent: 18 August 2001 03:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE IC's George, Here in Oz, the VW Golf has as an optional extra the same Bose multi-speaker system as the Audi. Have you tried tried with VW for the Bose IC's that you require? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Aug 18 14:48:44 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:48:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: References: <000601c1279d$3e93b1e0$f019bcd0@vinl4evr> <0aec01c12790$2891c420$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001f01c127e4$1f5e8740$0f031fac@brianm> Yes, the one and the same! And it is sold. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: > Isn't that from our own Brian Miller? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Reese" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Nakamichi America Corp.: CR-7A - Nakamichi: > > > > Fyi. Just saw this and thought I would pass it along. I have no > > knowledge of the seller or financial interest at all. > > dr > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > news:... > > > Nakamichi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Page 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck > > > The deck is in excellent condition, it was completely gone through > > > one year > > > ago by ES Labs, www.eslabs.com . It may > > > have 10 hours on it since returning from ES Labs. > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > these go for about $150. > > > I have a copy of the manual and the remote control. > > > After owning a number of decks, I have come to learn that it's almost > > > a > > > guarantee it will need at least general servicing if it has not > > > recently had > > > it. You can purchase this with confidence that it is correct. > > > If you are not familiar with the CR-7A, it is loaded with features, > > > especially auto-calibration and adjustable playback azimuth. I have > > > been > > > in many Nak discussions. Which deck is considered "the" best is > > > always an interesting one. I will make no claims, but the CR-7A is > > > always > > > in the discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Price: $750.00 > > > > > > -== Article posted by: brianm ==- > > > More info at: http://www.audioweb.com/ad/adinfo.asp?adid=96936 > > > Article sent via AudioWeb - http://www.audioweb.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 18 16:13:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:13:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (McIntosh)free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... References: <33.198a9ede.28ad4591@aol.com> <3B7BEF2B.7CB3E7A2@yahoo.com> <3B7BFCC3.221B8C06@concentric.net> <078501c126bb$3ffa6980$123442cf@sank1> <3B7C78EB.1EC09EDA@yahoo.com> <3B7D357E.15CA9EA3@concentric.net> <3B7D514D.A0F7A6A9@yahoo.com> <3B7D8AD0.B966EC2D@concentric.net> <3B7D9DA1.B5502B9C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B7E780A.4776E66@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Perhaps I should have said they were refined by ear. > Once you've got the enineering down right the ear is > all that's left. You use it if you want the piano to sound > like a piano. If I were ever to convert an MC40 it would probably > be to 7591s. Now there's a great tube. I have never converted to 7591s, therefore, can't comment. I only suggested something I have actually done myself and found successful. > When I first got into > tubes, it was with an old Scott LK72. I remember it sounded great even > on my cheap speakers, > and I played it loud! I assumed that any modern amp would do circles > around it. Since then I've heard tons of "better" gear; cleaner sound, > yes > more detailed sound, yes but 7591 sound never > Javier > > PS: I said load inductance You said, 'inductance and capacitance'. That's 'reactance'. I said 'impedance', as no load is purely reactive. -- Ron > Ron wrote: > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > If you take a "static approach it shouldn't matter > > > as long as the load on the plates is approiate but > > > those trannies qere designed around 6l6s and their > > > peculiarities. Naturally you can drop anything you want in there > > > as long as it's octal and it may work reliably but will you > > > want to be the guy listening to it? > > > > I sure would, since the EL34 were noticeably cleaner. > > Otherwise, what's the point of the whole exercise? > > > > > I received an MA230 converted to 7581s (6l6 on steroids) > > > it sounded lousey. I put in a quad of old and tired 7591a and rebiased > > > It sounded beautiful. Later I took the 7581s and installed > > > them on my already great sounding MC40s. They still sounded > > > great! > > > > > > Setting bias will make things work but > > > issues like load inductance and capacitance > > > will make a big difference in frequency response > > > and distortion. Ultimately all macs were designed by ear > > > and swapping out tubes defeats that purpose > > > > Load impedance will affect all tubes more or less > > equally. > > > > There are large differences between any two tubes of > > the same designation (which is why we often matched > > them in pairs). When I did the change, the 6L6 was > > already a dated design. The EL34 was said to be better, > > and in practice, was. I doubt the Macs were 'designed > > by ear' -- technically, a very unsound method. (I can > > explain more fully if you wish.) I doubt anyone ever > > used it and stayed in business. Listening tests > > probably complemented the design, though. > > > > In short, replacing with a compatible tube type does > > not constitute 'Mac molestation' nor does it defeat > > the design purpose. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > President > > > International Order of the MC40 > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Wooo, slow down... You don't have to do it if you > > > > don't wanna. I don't view this as sacrilege. > > > > Modifying bias usually involves replacement of a > > > > single resistor. No biggie. Most amps do have a > > > > bias adjustment. If the Mac has an automatic DC > > > > bias loop, you need do nothing, the circuit will > > > > take care of itself. > > > > > > > > As to the output transformer -- this has nothing to > > > > do with bias. The 6L6, EL34, KT66 and several other > > > > output tubes in that family require the same load > > > > impedance and are interchangeable from that point > > > > of view, regardless of output stage configuration. > > > > > > > > The only drawback I see is Misha's point of higher > > > > filament power, that the power xformer better be > > > > able to supply. The increase is under 10% of total > > > > draw and, in most cases, is no biggie, either. I did > > > > this to mono power amps many years ago (not Macs), > > > > with very gratifying results. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > Also the mac output trannies don't use the > > > > > typical ultralinear or pentode PP setup. > > > > > They have their own criscross something > > > > > or other wiring designed to reduce the turns ratio > > > > > and may not react the same if converted to el34s. > > > > > even if the bias is reset. > > > > > Yeah it would be criminal and the offender should > > > > > be reqd to register wherever he goes. > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > McIntosh amps are fixed bias. You would have to modify the bias supply to > > > > > > use EL-34's. But it costs so much to get actually *good* EL-34's(as in > > > > > > Dutch Amperex, Genalex KT-77, or at least Mullards or Telefunkens) that the > > > > > > minor improvement is not worth it over the much less expensive vintage black > > > > > > plate RCA 6L6GC's, which are very, very good. > > > > > > I consider it a positively criminal act, by the way, to put any variety of > > > > > > new(or newish) production tubes in a Mac amp(or any good tube amp or preamp > > > > > > or tuner, for that matter). Vintage USA, UK & Western European tubes will > > > > > > not only virtually always sound better than anything else, they will also > > > > > > out-live anything else by decades. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:02 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] free thoughts (opinions?) wanted.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If memory serves, 6L6s can be advantageously replaced > > > > > > > with EL34s, that are more linear, resulting in cleaner > > > > > > > sound. You'll have to readjust bias, though, but you'd > > > > > > > do that with any output tube replacement, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the cataclysmic fall in prices > > > > > > > > on ebay I'de start by offering 400 and would go up to > > > > > > > > maybe 800. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It uses 6L6 tubes along with 12ax7s 12au7s and and 12bh7s > > > > > > > > all are available and the 6L6s can be had for about 80 to > > > > > > > > 100 for a matched quad, ususllay Russian Svetlanas > > > > > > > > It's among Mac's best sounding tube amps but I don't know > > > > > > > > how well it would do with the Linn Speakers. Apparantly > > > > > > > > Linn makes it's products sound great but only with their > > > > > > > > other products. So I'm told. > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/15/2001 12:41:11 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << A friend has a McIntosh mc240 amplifier in a box in his garage in > > > > > > mint > > > > > > > > > original condition (original tubes so probably could use new tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) opinion on performance of this old amplifier; > > > > > > > > > b) cost estimate of replacing all the tubes and bench testing the > > > > > > amp; > > > > > > > > > c) fair price for john for the amp as it sits (with original tubes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This amplifier would be used with a pair of Linn Keilidh speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a "mackie" but from what I've learned about them you should > > > > > > grab it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 18 16:23:01 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:23:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> <3B7D81AA.EB81E6C7@concentric.net> <3B7DA162.9BB2481B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B7E7A45.F61AFB57@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > "How do we expect studio heard to maintain the standard of living to > which they are accustomed?" > > Frankly, I couldn't care less. The people at the top of the > entertainment food chain have had it way too good too long. The poor > movie moguls and actors can't live on $7 million dollars per year or $15 > million per movie? Good! Gee, should I have appended a big smiley to my post? > The studios' industry associations and public relations department have > gotten together to start a public relations campaign to "educate" the > public about all this "criminal activity". Screw Hollywood! Maybe I'd > care a little more if the US movie industry didn't turn out such crap. > > As far as the music industry is concerned. websites like Napster are the > best thing that's come along in quite a while. If you talk to the > average person who downloads free music from the internet, they will > tell you that they usually go to the website to download a song but if > they like the other music by that same artist, which the site makes > available, more times that not they will actually go out and purchase > the CD. The public wins, the artist wins and so do the music industry > executives. Not only that, but sites like Napster have freed up the > distribution strangle hold that the Big Five music labels have held on > the entire music industry, so that the starving artists who would never > have a chance at gaining public exposure now have a viable distribution > channel. Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to what, exactly this is attributable to -- maybe, the general economy slump, maybe it's seasonal. But maybe, just maybe, it's because this paranoid industry has shot itself in the foot. Again. One of their pet peeves is that everyone that has copied a song would have otherwise bought it. This is bull. For me, personally, the reverse is true. I may buy music that I recorded from FM, after listening to it once or twice, that otherwise, I never would have bought. -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > I understand your frustration, but can't help but say > > a few words in defense of content providers. Because > > of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the > > brink of bankruptcy. Only this weekend, we heard on TV > > that movies that cost a fortune to make only brought > > back, in their first week, a measly 40 or 50 million > > bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in > > adequate pocket money. The truth is that some films > > actually bring less than a hundred million green ones > > in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain > > the standard of living to which they are accustomed? > > > > Some people object to paying the hidden tax attached > > to each blank cassette sold in the country and paid > > to the recording industry. Such people are oblivious > > of the need to protect starving artists, such as > > Madonna or Michael Jackson, from criminals that copy > > CDs -- if it weren't for such hoodlums, the studios > > would voluntarily beg the government to repudiate > > this tax immediately. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 18 16:37:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:37:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: Message-ID: <3B7E7DC6.34F3C73F@concentric.net> Mark Hugo wrote: > > Hi Sam, > [...] > One thing digital amps seem to have done, is reminded one and all that the limiting factor in realistic music reproduction in the home is, and will probably remain for some time, the speakers. This is closely followed by the listening room itself. > Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave the room as the only tweakable component in the reproduction chain. -- Ron > Marc > > >>> SBarr12393 at aol.com 08/17/01 06:54PM >>> > In a message dated 8/17/2001 3:12:42 AM Central Daylight Time, > s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au writes: > > << He is not alone in this observation. One of my all-time favourite > guitarists, Steve Vai, refuses to do serious work in digital. He says that > digital "sterilises the music, robs it of soul". How true. > > Jason >> > > Yes, I would agree as I prefer analog. However, it does appear at least that > digital is being forced upon us. What's the next big digital product on the > horizon? Digital amplifiers. I believe it was this month's Stereophile that > featured a Sharp 1-bit digital amplifier (I didn't know Sharp made high-end > stereo equipment). Any thoughts on the advantages/disadvantages of digital > amplifiers? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat Aug 18 17:17:19 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:17:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Message-ID: Is the counter supposed to reset to 0 everytime you hit the reverse button? Just wondering. BTW, last night I spent a few hours dismantling and detailing (cleaning) the deck. It's amazing what a good cleaning will do for an old piece of equipment....damn thing looks like I just popped it out of the original Nak box. On the slide out transport area, I found some plastic shavings here and there.....normal? Nothing looks worn at all...but it was there. The heads and everything look brand new. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 18 17:53:51 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:53:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <00a301c1279c$629fb620$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B7E8F8D.99BE6F84@pacbell.net> Kannan, that is as scary as planting a microchip in people. BIGBROTHER is already TOO far reaching! Brian "Kannan. S" wrote: > Unfortunately the studio chaps pocket money is in millions > while our hard earned cash on a DVD player still would not permit play a > legal copy of DVD( brought from US ) here in India just because I sit in > India but not in US?? and not bought a player from US. Do you call this a > sane format definition? > Infact I heard that they are planning to build a GPS rceiever in each DVD > player and even if you buy a player from US ; the new region coding scheme > will not allow the player to play a region one DVD in India or any other > country other than region one area!! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > >Jason Antony wrote: > >> > >> Kannan. S wrote: > >> > > > > >I understand your frustration, but can't help but say > >a few words in defense of content providers. > a measly 40 or 50 million > >bucks -- hardly enough to keep the studio moguls in > >adequate pocket money. > The truth is that some films > >actually bring less than a hundred million green ones > >in profit. How do we expect studio heard to maintain > >the standard of living to which they are accustomed? > > > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Aug 18 20:00:13 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:00:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MX-S Message-ID: <002301c1280f$a313f860$59031fac@brianm> FWIW, I have finally gotten around to recording on to a MX-S with the CR-7A and will concur with the masses, the CR-7 and the MX-S are not a perfect match! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 18 20:13:49 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:13:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B7D5B61.32109.82C030@localhost> <3B7D81AA.EB81E6C7@concentric.net> <3B7DA162.9BB2481B@earthlink.net> <3B7E7A45.F61AFB57@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003f01c12811$877918e0$52ef3fd0@oemcomputer> In the old days when records used to have the cassette and crossbones label (home taping is killing the record industry) studies showed that those who taped bought more records than those who didn't. I can remember when the industry went balistic when stores tried to rent expensive cd's. (which probably would have made them richer than they know vide the video industry) as for scary stuff due to the new copyright rules library's are now under attack see this story: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2784614,00.html an exerpt: Gone are the days when a librarian's worst offense was hushing patrons one too many times. In this digital age, the custodians of published works are at the center of a global copyright controversy that casts them as villains simply for doing their job: letting people borrow books for free. Their leading opponents are the very people who supply the books that fill their shelves--the publishers. And now that the high-stakes battle over copyrights has moved beyond music and movies to books, librarians are finding themselves the subject of rhetoric usually reserved for terrorists or revolutionaries Warren > One of their pet peeves is that everyone that has copied > a song would have otherwise bought it. This is bull. For > me, personally, the reverse is true. I may buy music that > I recorded from FM, after listening to it once or twice, > that otherwise, I never would have bought. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 18 22:17:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:17:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 References: Message-ID: <0b5d01c12822$d4d65560$123442cf@sank1> Yes, the counter is supposed to zero on reversing, if memory serves. The plastic shavings worry me a bit, but as long as everything is working fine, no cause for alarm. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 > Is the counter supposed to reset to 0 everytime you hit the reverse button? > Just wondering. BTW, last night I spent a few hours dismantling and > detailing (cleaning) the deck. It's amazing what a good cleaning will do > for an old piece of equipment....damn thing looks like I just popped it out > of the original Nak box. On the slide out transport area, I found some > plastic shavings here and there.....normal? Nothing looks worn at all...but > it was there. The heads and everything look brand new. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 03:33:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:33:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <114.369d4e4.28b0714c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/2001 6:13:26 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << "SBM"="Super Bit Mapping". It's a technique of using 20-bit mastering, then using a specific algorithm(s) to take it down to 16-bit. >> thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 03:55:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:55:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES Message-ID: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave the room as the only tweakable component in the reproduction chain. -- Ron >> Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design centered on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes a reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing it will one day be deleted from the equation. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 04:56:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:56:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ Amp Review Message-ID: For those of you who are McIntosh enthusiasts, can you help me locate a review of the McIntosh 6500 Integrated Amp? Not having much success with simple Google searches. Thank you in advance for your help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 06:04:57 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 00:04:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B7F3AE9.EA035E5F@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > the room as the only tweakable component in the > reproduction chain. > > -- Ron > >> > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design centered > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) Actually, there are several possible schemes. My own favorite (and I have no compunction revealing it here) is a loudspeaker driver with 16 voice coils, one behind the other on the the coil form, each driven by two of 32 switching amps. Sounds like it's more expensive than one VC driven by one amp, but -- not really. The digital VCs do not need to be linear, therefore a simple design will result in superior performance -- potentially, better than any analog speaker in existence today. The switching amps are pure simplicity to build and their noise and distortion (like all digital circuits) are immaterial. In addition, they'll cost little and run at 99% efficiency (vs. current power amps efficiency of about 50%), with huge power output. > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes a > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing it > will one day be deleted from the equation. As a guess -- probably in the 20s to 30s (this century, I hope). There is no real initiative, since the only obvious market is the high-end audio one and there is already a lucrative industry in place, that would hate such an upheaval. It's like the 50 MPG car -- nobody wants it, except for the consumer (that won't get it any time soon). -- Ron > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 13:46:01 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:46:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ Amp Review References: Message-ID: <001e01c128a4$87391fe0$32031fac@brianm> Sam, I also have searched the 'net and came up empty! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ Amp Review > For those of you who are McIntosh enthusiasts, can you help me locate a > review of the McIntosh 6500 Integrated Amp? Not having much success with > simple Google searches. Thank you in advance for your help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sun Aug 19 15:12:13 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:12:13 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] jacks Message-ID: <200108191312.f7JDCDo06997@ad.md> i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) what do you think? (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). marin (yes, i make my own cables) ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > these go for about $150. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 17:09:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:09:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191312.f7JDCDo06997@ad.md> Message-ID: <3B7FD6C1.265DFBDB@concentric.net> These jacks have no ('no', as in 'absolute zero') sonic advantage over any quality jack. They may last longer ('normal' quality jacks will only last 100 years or so). OTOH, they do have a value for people that enjoy the knowledge of owning something super special and for whom $150 is meaningless. -- Ron marin turea wrote: > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > what do you think? > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > marin > (yes, i make my own cables) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > these go for about $150. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 17:48:27 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:48:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191312.f7JDCDo06997@ad.md> Message-ID: <003701c128c6$64829680$32031fac@brianm> Marin, I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they were on it when I purchased it. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] jacks > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > what do you think? > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > marin > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > these go for about $150. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 18:06:07 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:06:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> Message-ID: <005d01c128c8$ddc303c0$32031fac@brianm> I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has digital speakers. http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > the room as the only tweakable component in the > reproduction chain. > > -- Ron > >> > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design centered > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes a > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing it > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sun Aug 19 18:09:40 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:09:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] jacks Message-ID: <200108191609.f7JG9eo11505@ad.md> Brian, dear, i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. all my sincere simpathy, marin > Marin, > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > were on it when I purchased it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marin turea" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > what do you think? > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > marin > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 18:28:18 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:28:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191609.f7JG9eo11505@ad.md> Message-ID: <007801c128cb$f5ab4940$32031fac@brianm> Marin, I took absolutely NO offense at your question! I too wish I could of experienced a before and after with these jacks. I don't think I would of laid out that kind of money for the change. But, I believe there can be a difference in better quality jacks. I have tried bannana plugs in the past before, that is, hooking my spade speaker wires to bannana plugs, then inserting them into the speaker. It really hurt performance greatly. I bring this up just as an example as how much connections can play a part. My response was just stating that I have no clue to any performance gains in this situation. I dunno if Ron meant anything malicious towards me or not, if so, water of a ducks back! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > Brian, dear, > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > all my sincere simpathy, > > marin > > > > > > > Marin, > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Aug 19 19:22:15 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:22:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 References: <200108191637.SAA27007@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <038701c128d3$7dcd6db0$6d740818@CC604317A> Marin, etal: I make my own patch cords (or interconects if you want to sound expensive) too. Curious what cables & connectors you use? I have used several cales & connectors. My current fav is Marshall Electronics Neglex W2549 cable ($0.68/ft in 50m roll) with their ER1705 connectors (about $2.50 each) in fact I am about to order more of their connectors. I have no experience with WBT connectors as I don't wish to spend that type of $$$. I have also purchased several of the major brand patch cords and yes, I can & do hear differences in them, but I feel the differences are minor. MUCH larger differences can be made with speaker placement, etc. Overall my opinion is a good quality cable & connector is best and I don't get tied up in the all the science behind the various types of cables, configuations, etc. Tom Dedrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:37 Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 > > naktalk-digest Sunday, August 19 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1178 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:12:13 +0300 > From: "marin turea" > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > what do you think? > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > marin > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > these go for about $150. > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:09:53 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > These jacks have no ('no', as in 'absolute zero') sonic > advantage over any quality jack. They may last longer > ('normal' quality jacks will only last 100 years or > so). OTOH, they do have a value for people that enjoy > the knowledge of owning something super special and > for whom $150 is meaningless. > > - -- Ron > > > marin turea wrote: > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > what do you think? > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > marin > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > these go for about $150. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:48:27 -0400 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > Marin, > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > were on it when I purchased it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marin turea" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > what do you think? > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > marin > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:06:07 -0400 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > digital speakers. > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > reproduction chain. > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > centered > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes > a > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing > it > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:09:40 +0300 > From: "marin turea" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > Brian, dear, > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > all my sincere simpathy, > > marin > > > > > > > Marin, > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:28:18 -0400 > From: "Brian Miller" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > Marin, > > I took absolutely NO offense at your question! I too wish I could of > experienced a before and after with these jacks. I don't think I would of > laid out that kind of money for the change. But, I believe there can be a > difference in better quality jacks. I have tried bannana plugs in the past > before, that is, hooking my spade speaker wires to bannana plugs, then > inserting them into the speaker. It really hurt performance greatly. I > bring this up just as an example as how much connections can play a part. > > My response was just stating that I have no clue to any performance gains in > this situation. I dunno if Ron meant anything malicious towards me or not, > if so, water of a ducks back! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marin turea" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > Brian, dear, > > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted > someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > > > all my sincere simpathy, > > > > marin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marin, > > > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as > they > > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "marin turea" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > money > > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent > ones > > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and > feel > > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming > the > > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the > sound. > > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > > > what do you think? > > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > > > > marin > > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1178 > ****************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 19 18:53:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:53:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191312.f7JDCDo06997@ad.md> <003701c128c6$64829680$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003e01c128d2$4c2634a0$41289bca@smarzuki> Brian ... hope you don't mind my nosy question, what deck are you getting to replace cr7 ? Marin, I'm sure you didn't mean to offend and unlike rao over here we only have friendly flames. :-) Personally I like 'normal' thicker cables + 'normal' sturdy connectors, nothing fancy, and for short run I can never tell the difference. But at 5 meter even the thick cable produces somewhat degraded sound compared to thinny Nak cable. Different story on turntable cable, as you already aware. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > Marin, > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > were on it when I purchased it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marin turea" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > what do you think? > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > marin > > (yes, i make my own cables) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 19 19:12:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:12:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 References: Message-ID: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> Hi Alex, Same here with my 202, resets to 0 on reverse. Talk about good cleaning ! I washed the frontplate of this dirty deck and water residue runs out brownish. Now it's clean and I'm getting to like the look of illuminated full size door and the bulky size of it (I thought it's about BX size). BTW does the 505 use tape slack removal ? And how long is the turn on delay ? One problem left with my 202 is that something wrong with 'initial reset' circuit, I have to leave the deck on for 1/2 - 1 minute before it recognize any 'command' (except eject). I thought there's a solder crack but whole logic pcb is already resoldered and problem persists. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 > Is the counter supposed to reset to 0 everytime you hit the reverse button? > Just wondering. BTW, last night I spent a few hours dismantling and > detailing (cleaning) the deck. It's amazing what a good cleaning will do > for an old piece of equipment....damn thing looks like I just popped it out > of the original Nak box. On the slide out transport area, I found some > plastic shavings here and there.....normal? Nothing looks worn at all...but > it was there. The heads and everything look brand new. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sun Aug 19 19:45:36 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:45:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: Message-ID: <3B7FFAFB.D6D4079B@pacbell.net> Sam, here is the url that will get you in to a McIntosh list much like Naktalk: http://www.topica.com/ When you get to this site, just type in mcintosh in the search section and go through the steps to get on this list. For some reason it is not really active like naktalk. Perhaps there are others. Post an email to the list with your query and, while you are at it, ask the group if there are other Mac groups. Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it is good, but you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not appear to be a phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi level inputs. Says nothing about lo level. Brian SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > For those of you who are McIntosh enthusiasts, can you help me locate a > review of the McIntosh 6500 Integrated Amp? Not having much success with > simple Google searches. Thank you in advance for your help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 19:49:33 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:49:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191312.f7JDCDo06997@ad.md> <003701c128c6$64829680$32031fac@brianm> <003e01c128d2$4c2634a0$41289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008c01c128d7$4f252a80$32031fac@brianm> Salim, I don't find your question nosey. I have no plans of replacing the deck at this time. I sold the deck to use the money for other stereo purchases. When money permits, I may have my Akai deck fixed. (Then again, who knows what kind of deal(s) will come along!!) Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > Brian ... hope you don't mind my nosy question, what deck are you getting to > replace cr7 ? > > Marin, I'm sure you didn't mean to offend and unlike rao over here we only > have friendly flames. :-) Personally I like 'normal' thicker cables + > 'normal' sturdy connectors, nothing fancy, and for short run I can never > tell the difference. But at 5 meter even the thick cable produces somewhat > degraded sound compared to thinny Nak cable. Different story on turntable > cable, as you already aware. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > Marin, > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > money > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent > ones > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and > feel > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sun Aug 19 20:03:29 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:03:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> <005d01c128c8$ddc303c0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B7FFF2B.1829CBC0@pacbell.net> I have heard the big meridian loudspeakers and they sound great. They should at the price. My impression of the format was that there was simply a preamp and power amp built in or, essentially an integrated amp into which one would plug the source/sources. Brian Brian Miller wrote: > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > digital speakers. > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > reproduction chain. > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > centered > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes > a > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing > it > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 19 19:56:55 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:56:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: <3B7FFAFB.D6D4079B@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <009a01c128d8$56afe6e0$32031fac@brianm> > Sam, > > here is the url that will get you in to a McIntosh list much like Naktalk: > > http://www.topica.com/ > > When you get to this site, just type in mcintosh in the search section and go through > the steps to get on this list. For some reason it is not really active like naktalk. > Perhaps there are others. Post an email to the list with your query and, while you > are at it, ask the group if there are other Mac groups. > > Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it is good, but > you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not appear to be a > phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi level inputs. > Says nothing about lo level. > > Brian Clarification, the Mac 6500 has 6 inputs, including phono. I have heard this amp in store, it is a beautiful piece. I thought it sounded pretty good. Now, an in store audition is far from an in home audition. > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > For those of you who are McIntosh enthusiasts, can you help me locate a > > review of the McIntosh 6500 Integrated Amp? Not having much success with > > simple Google searches. Thank you in advance for your help. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sun Aug 19 20:07:56 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:07:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 Message-ID: <200108191807.f7JI7uo05064@ad.md> Tom, i use ofc cable for balanced interconnection from various brands (sony, gotham, nagaoka), or coaxes. sometimes, when nothing else to do and for fun, i look at the "well respected & recommended" cable designs and get tempted to do the same if not too difficult. usually, follow few simple rules: not too thin (no less than 4 wires per one cable); not too long (up to 1m); knit (is this the right word?) the wires; good shielding - btw, i do not connect the shield at the "end" as recommended by some. i use metal rca connectors labeled with the name that joins us all here, found, as i said in a car audio shop. i'm happy. best. marin > Marin, etal: > > I make my own patch cords (or interconects if you want to sound expensive) > too. Curious what cables & connectors you use? I have used several cales & > connectors. My current fav is Marshall Electronics Neglex W2549 cable > ($0.68/ft in 50m roll) with their ER1705 connectors (about $2.50 each) in > fact I am about to order more of their connectors. > > I have no experience with WBT connectors as I don't wish to spend that type > of $$$. I have also purchased several of the major brand patch cords and > yes, I can & do hear differences in them, but I feel the differences are > minor. MUCH larger differences can be made with speaker placement, etc. > Overall my opinion is a good quality cable & connector is best and I don't > get tied up in the all the science behind the various types of cables, > configuations, etc. > > Tom Dedrick ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 19 20:21:17 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:21:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 References: <200108191807.f7JI7uo05064@ad.md> Message-ID: <3B80039D.AFE9937C@earthlink.net> "I don't get tied up in the all the science behind the various types of cables, configuations, etc." Perhaps you should. For an interesting read on cable design, click here: http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/thedesign.htm Cheers, Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 21:25:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:25:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> <005d01c128c8$ddc303c0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3B80128F.D21F1CFB@concentric.net> A 'true digital speaker', would be a speaker that is driven directly by digital signals. The Meridian speakers incorporate Digital processing, but utilize analog speakers, driven by analog power amplifiers (BTW, they sound excellent). -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > digital speakers. > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > reproduction chain. > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > centered > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes > a > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believing > it > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 21:26:52 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:26:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] jacks References: <200108191609.f7JG9eo11505@ad.md> Message-ID: <3B8012FC.248592EA@concentric.net> Oh, shucks... Of course I meant no disrespect to anyone. This is a purely technical discussion and I was just expressing an opinion. -- Ron marin turea wrote: > > Brian, dear, > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > all my sincere simpathy, > > marin > > > Marin, > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 21:40:42 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:40:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 References: <200108191637.SAA27007@zebra.naks.com> <038701c128d3$7dcd6db0$6d740818@CC604317A> Message-ID: <3B80163A.7BFC1C16@concentric.net> I made all my interconnects (except for S-Video cables) with RG-59 high performance co-ax (Belden 1505A) that was recommended by a Belden Engineer. Since it's 75 ohm, it is usable for audio (where characteristic impedance doesn't matter), video and digital. It costs less than 40 cents/ft. I used Philmore fully co-axial gold plated RCA connectors. These are of the screw on type and very robust. Suitable for audio, video and digital. A buck a piece, quantity 100. I believe these interconnects are an overkill, but look nice. Because the cable has a solid core, the cable is rigid -- perfect for system interconnects. All cables are routed in a harness, away from the power cords. Custom length, for exact point to point reach. The result is a very clean layout, easy to get at and service, with lowest noise or losses. -- Ron Tom Dedrick wrote: > > Marin, etal: > > I make my own patch cords (or interconects if you want to sound expensive) > too. Curious what cables & connectors you use? I have used several cales & > connectors. My current fav is Marshall Electronics Neglex W2549 cable > ($0.68/ft in 50m roll) with their ER1705 connectors (about $2.50 each) in > fact I am about to order more of their connectors. > > I have no experience with WBT connectors as I don't wish to spend that type > of $$$. I have also purchased several of the major brand patch cords and > yes, I can & do hear differences in them, but I feel the differences are > minor. MUCH larger differences can be made with speaker placement, etc. > Overall my opinion is a good quality cable & connector is best and I don't > get tied up in the all the science behind the various types of cables, > configuations, etc. > > Tom Dedrick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "naktalk-digest" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:37 > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1178 > > > > > naktalk-digest Sunday, August 19 2001 Volume 02 : Number > 1178 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:12:13 +0300 > > From: "marin turea" > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of money > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent ones > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and feel > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > what do you think? > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > marin > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:09:53 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > These jacks have no ('no', as in 'absolute zero') sonic > > advantage over any quality jack. They may last longer > > ('normal' quality jacks will only last 100 years or > > so). OTOH, they do have a value for people that enjoy > > the knowledge of owning something super special and > > for whom $150 is meaningless. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > marin turea wrote: > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > money in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those > decent ones Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few > swiss neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look > and feel i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also > assuming the difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than > the sound. (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged > constructions and goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:48:27 -0400 > > From: "Brian Miller" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > Marin, > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as they > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > money > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent > ones > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and > feel > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming the > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the sound. > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > what do you think? > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > marin > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:06:07 -0400 > > From: "Brian Miller" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > > digital speakers. > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > centered > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time > to > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > becomes > > a > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with > believing > > it > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:09:40 +0300 > > From: "marin turea" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > Brian, dear, > > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted > someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > > > all my sincere simpathy, > > > > marin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marin, > > > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as > they > > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "marin turea" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > money > > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those decent > ones > > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look and > feel > > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming > the > > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the > sound. > > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > > > what do you think? > > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic price). > > > > > > > > > > > > marin > > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT jacks, > > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:28:18 -0400 > > From: "Brian Miller" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > Marin, > > > > I took absolutely NO offense at your question! I too wish I could of > > experienced a before and after with these jacks. I don't think I would of > > laid out that kind of money for the change. But, I believe there can be a > > difference in better quality jacks. I have tried bannana plugs in the > past > > before, that is, hooking my spade speaker wires to bannana plugs, then > > inserting them into the speaker. It really hurt performance greatly. I > > bring this up just as an example as how much connections can play a part. > > > > My response was just stating that I have no clue to any performance gains > in > > this situation. I dunno if Ron meant anything malicious towards me or > not, > > if so, water of a ducks back! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "marin turea" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > Brian, dear, > > > i swear i didn't wrote that to offend you - i was just curious. > > > (and i am pretty sure that Ron's answer didn't also maliciously targeted > > someone here). come on, that's no sin having wbt jacks. > > > > > > all my sincere simpathy, > > > > > > marin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marin, > > > > > > > > I cannot speak with experience as to the WBT i/o jacks on my Nak, as > > they > > > > were on it when I purchased it. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > > No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "marin turea" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] jacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > i want to ask the group if is it really worth investing this kind of > > money > > > > in expensive in/out jacks and connectors, when you can get those > decent > > ones > > > > Nakamichi labeled in the auto audio stores for 1,$? i have a few swiss > > > > neutriks profi cinch jacks, and other than sophisticated fancy look > and > > feel > > > > i can see (hear) no difference comparing to Nak ones... also assuming > > the > > > > difference in price (10x-20x), i think it's more the look than the > > sound. > > > > (no offence to wbt fans here intended, i love rugged constructions and > > > > goldshine, but at this price for connectors...) > > > > > > > > > > what do you think? > > > > > (i am not talking about comparing the low end "tin&plastic" made > > > > connectors, but decent inox "heavy metal" ones at a realistic > price). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marin > > > > > (yes, i make my own cables) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > "brianm" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The input and output jacks have been replaced with WBT > jacks, > > > > > > > > > www.wbtusa.com , > > > > > > > > > these go for about $150. > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1178 > > ****************************** > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From icb80 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:23:47 2001 From: icb80 at hotmail.com (Iain Bethune) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:23:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) Message-ID: Hi fellow nak fans, I have a problem with my demagnetizer. The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to properly demagnetize my deck. Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. Thanks Iain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 23:00:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:00:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ Amp Review Message-ID: <88.b18b697.28b182d7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2001 6:47:18 AM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Sam, I also have searched the 'net and came up empty! Brian Miller Michigan >> Thanks for trying, I really appreciate it! -Sam PS How was your day in the Lord? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 19 23:07:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> <005d01c128c8$ddc303c0$32031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <0ce201c128f2$fb918820$123442cf@sank1> Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital speakers", as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > digital speakers. > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > reproduction chain. > > > > -- Ron > > >> > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > centered > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time to > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this becomes > a > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believi ng > it > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 23:12:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:12:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) References: Message-ID: <3B802BBE.C530771B@concentric.net> I do it for a few seconds, *slowly* waving it around heads and all metal parts. Seems to do the job. -- Ron Iain Bethune wrote: > > Hi fellow nak fans, > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > properly demagnetize my deck. > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > Thanks > > Iain > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 23:17:55 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:17:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES References: <125.35ca1e6.28b0767b@aol.com> <005d01c128c8$ddc303c0$32031fac@brianm> <0ce201c128f2$fb918820$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B802D03.49B4591D@concentric.net> To clarify: I meant a speaker driver that is directly driven by so many bits of digital drive. Obviously, the output must be analog if we are to hear it, but the cone motion is discrete (without the filtering effect of the cone mass, it would have a finite number of positions) and conversion occurs within the speaker. I think this will be as close to a digital speaker as we can get. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital speakers", > as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any > possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > > digital speakers. > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > centered > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time > to > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > becomes > > a > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believi > ng > > it > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 23:18:46 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:18:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview Message-ID: <11c.35a449a.28b18736@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2001 12:38:16 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it is good, but you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not appear to be a phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi level inputs. Says nothing about lo level. Brian >> Hi Brian, Thank you for the weblink! Re: Mac Integ Amp question - I don't have the space for separates, without some serious movement I don't have the room for an integrated amp and tuner. I'm probably one of those who are "perfect" for a receiver, but I am willing to make room for 2 more components, but no more. And, the current crop of high-end integrated amps are just as good as their separate counterparts in most cases. A "nice" high-end integ amp with a respectable tuner would make a wonderful upgrade to my existing system. I also like the Electrocompiant and my favorite choice is the ML No. 383. Unfortunately, I have a turntable and conduct most of listening through headphones, and I also use a mixing board. So for now, the ML would require a considerable investment compared to the Mac. I'll double check, but I thought the Mac had a phono input. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 23:27:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:27:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) Message-ID: <12e.33eb36e.28b18945@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, icb80 at hotmail.com writes: << Hi fellow nak fans, I have a problem with my demagnetizer. The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to properly demagnetize my deck. Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. Thanks Iain >> To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using a Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My CR-7 arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. Also, how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) Thank you in advance for your help with this question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 19 23:51:39 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:51:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) References: <12e.33eb36e.28b18945@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8034EB.82BDB2E7@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > properly demagnetize my deck. > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > Thanks > > Iain > >> > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using a > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My CR-7 > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. Also, > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) Thank > you in advance for your help with this question. > > -Sam Everyone has their own favorite answer. Personally, I prefer the wand over the cassette magnetizers, because it lets me demagnetize not only the heads, but also the guides and all other metal parts. It's also useful for demagnetizing small tools, etc. I demag every ten hours or so of PB, a bit less after I've done much recording. The idea is to demag more often than needed. By the time you actually hear that it's needed, it's way too late for your favorite cassettes. I also have a heavy demagnetizer that will do video cassettes and metal audio cassettes. I completely erase recycled cassettes before 1st recording. This supposedly reduces the noise floor of the tape. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 19 23:58:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:58:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) References: <12e.33eb36e.28b18945@aol.com> Message-ID: <0d7b01c128fa$0c0e8de0$123442cf@sank1> The cartridge demag units have the very big disadvantage of not allowing one to slowly pull it away from the head in a straight line above it before turning it off. Also, it can't generate a strong demag field at all. BUT, I must add that I have yet, in 20 years, on test equipment & with my ears, measured or heard a difference after demag on any cassette deck. Even one decks used industrially. I know there is a theoretical benefit, but I have not demonstrated it. An eigth inch tape, moving at 1 7/8ips, just doesn't seem to me to have much potential for causing a significant flux field build-up. Open reel tape is a different story, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > properly demagnetize my deck. > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > Thanks > > Iain > >> > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using a > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My CR-7 > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. Also, > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) Thank > you in advance for your help with this question. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 23:56:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:56:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Any other thoughts? Looks like it's time to demag. One other question, since I don't know the age of my pencil-styled demag, can it damage anything and how can I tell if it's functioning properly? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 19 23:59:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:59:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) Message-ID: <71.1182451d.28b190b4@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2001 4:55:44 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << The cartridge demag units have the very big disadvantage of not allowing one to slowly pull it away from the head in a straight line above it before turning it off. Also, it can't generate a strong demag field at all. BUT, I must add that I have yet, in 20 years, on test equipment & with my ears, measured or heard a difference after demag on any cassette deck. Even one decks used industrially. I know there is a theoretical benefit, but I have not demonstrated it. An eigth inch tape, moving at 1 7/8ips, just doesn't seem to me to have much potential for causing a significant flux field build-up. Open reel tape is a different story, though. >> Hi Stephen, Any thoughts on how often you should clean the tape heads? -Sam PS All I have at the moment is alcohol. Is there something else you would suggest that's better? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 00:05:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:05:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0d8901c128fb$1871d460$123442cf@sank1> Salim, on your RX202, which is a whole different (sankyo mech) deck than the 505/303(nak mechs), I can think of two possibilities on the intialising fault. One is simply mechanical. When you turn it on, look at the worm gear of the control drive motor & see if it does a nice, free spin when the deck is turned on, or if it moves sluggishly or not at all at first, in which case, see if giving it a push helps expedite the intialisation. Other possibility is a fault in the 5V reset/mute portion of the power supply. Don't have the schematic handy, so I can just say that you should look references to reset & mute in the supply section diagram, then see if you get a solid 4.5-5v within a second of turn on. If not, look for a bad electrolytic cap or transistor in that area. BTW, I forgot to bring home the TD-700 diagrams to look for the tone bypass method. Hopefully tomorrow. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 > > Hi Alex, > > Same here with my 202, resets to 0 on reverse. Talk about good cleaning ! > I washed the frontplate of this dirty deck and water residue runs out > brownish. Now it's clean and I'm getting to like the look of illuminated > full size door and the bulky size of it (I thought it's about BX size). > > BTW does the 505 use tape slack removal ? And how long is the turn on delay > ? One problem left with my 202 is that something wrong with 'initial reset' > circuit, I have to leave the deck on for 1/2 - 1 minute before it recognize > any 'command' (except eject). I thought there's a solder crack but whole > logic pcb is already resoldered and problem persists. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Cagann" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:17 PM > Subject: [naktalk] RX505 > > > > Is the counter supposed to reset to 0 everytime you hit the reverse > button? > > Just wondering. BTW, last night I spent a few hours dismantling and > > detailing (cleaning) the deck. It's amazing what a good cleaning will do > > for an old piece of equipment....damn thing looks like I just popped it > out > > of the original Nak box. On the slide out transport area, I found some > > plastic shavings here and there.....normal? Nothing looks worn at > all...but > > it was there. The heads and everything look brand new. > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 00:21:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:21:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) References: <71.1182451d.28b190b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <0db601c128fd$4960c480$123442cf@sank1> I use MEK, Methyl Ethyl Ketone for everything but reel idlers. It cleans oxides better than anything else, and also has the great advantage of being able to remove oxidised rubber from the pinch rollers, without harming the good rubber at all. And it does not harm the nylon-ish guides, although it does eat styrene plastics, like door frame parts, so be careful. It costs about ten bucks a gallon at paint stores. For idler tires, when not replacing, I use Intraclean S-711 head cleaning solution(which I don't use for heads, obviously). Clean the heads, rollers, capstans & guides anytime you can see tape tracks on the rollers. With good tapes, that might be 30 or 40 tapes between cleanings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > In a message dated 8/19/2001 4:55:44 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << The cartridge demag units have the very big disadvantage of not allowing > one > to slowly pull it away from the head in a straight line above it before > turning it off. Also, it can't generate a strong demag field at all. > BUT, I must add that I have yet, in 20 years, on test equipment & with my > ears, measured or heard a difference after demag on any cassette deck. Even > one decks used industrially. I know there is a theoretical benefit, but I > have not demonstrated it. An eigth inch tape, moving at 1 7/8ips, just > doesn't seem to me to have much potential for causing a significant flux > field build-up. Open reel tape is a different story, though. >> > > Hi Stephen, > > Any thoughts on how often you should clean the tape heads? > > -Sam > > PS > > All I have at the moment is alcohol. Is there something else you would > suggest that's better? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 00:17:10 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:17:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - There is still hope for the blank cassette media Message-ID: An 8 track website full of links for 8-track enthusiasts. http://members.tripod.com/~Suzy116/links.html -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Aug 20 00:24:40 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:24:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 References: <200108192201.AAA28879@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <07db01c128fd$bd573310$6d740818@CC604317A> Stupid ? time...I recently purchased Nak DM-10 demag on Ebay. Havn't used it yet but it appears in good shape. When I turn it on there is no noise/vibration/etc. to let me know it is doing something. Other than the obvious thing of using it after several hours of deck time and noticing a reducution in the noise floor ( that is one of the benefits, right?) how do I konw if this thing is actually working? How do you test one? I would assume it would make a change to a magnetic compass? Tom Dedrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 17:01 Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 > > naktalk-digest Monday, August 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1182 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:23:47 +0100 > From: "Iain Bethune" > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > Hi fellow nak fans, > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > properly demagnetize my deck. > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > Thanks > > Iain > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:00:07 EDT > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ Amp Review > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 6:47:18 AM Central Daylight Time, > brianm at grar.com writes: > > << Sam, > > I also have searched the 'net and came up empty! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > >> > > Thanks for trying, I really appreciate it! > > - -Sam > > PS > > How was your day in the Lord? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital speakers", > as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any > possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > > digital speakers. > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > centered > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time > to > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > becomes > > a > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believi > ng > > it > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:12:30 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > I do it for a few seconds, *slowly* waving it around > heads and all metal parts. Seems to do the job. > > - -- Ron > > Iain Bethune wrote: > > > > Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > Thanks > > > > Iain > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:17:55 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > To clarify: I meant a speaker driver that is directly > driven by so many bits of digital drive. Obviously, > the output must be analog if we are to hear it, but > the cone motion is discrete (without the filtering > effect of the cone mass, it would have a finite number > of positions) and conversion occurs within the speaker. > I think this will be as close to a digital speaker as > we can get. > > - -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital speakers", > > as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any > > possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian has > > > digital speakers. > > > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > > centered > > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's time > > to > > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > > becomes > > > a > > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with believi > > ng > > > it > > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:18:46 EDT > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 12:38:16 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it > is good, but > you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not appear > to be a > phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi level > inputs. > Says nothing about lo level. > > Brian > >> > > Hi Brian, > > Thank you for the weblink! Re: Mac Integ Amp question - I don't have the > space for separates, without some serious movement I don't have the room for > an integrated amp and tuner. I'm probably one of those who are "perfect" for > a receiver, but I am willing to make room for 2 more components, but no more. > And, the current crop of high-end integrated amps are just as good as their > separate counterparts in most cases. A "nice" high-end integ amp with a > respectable tuner would make a wonderful upgrade to my existing system. I > also like the Electrocompiant and my favorite choice is the ML No. 383. > Unfortunately, I have a turntable and conduct most of listening through > headphones, and I also use a mixing board. So for now, the ML would require > a considerable investment compared to the Mac. I'll double check, but I > thought the Mac had a phono input. > > - -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:27:33 EDT > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > properly demagnetize my deck. > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > Thanks > > Iain > >> > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using a > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My CR-7 > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. Also, > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) Thank > you in advance for your help with this question. > > - -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:51:39 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > Thanks > > > > Iain > > >> > > > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I > > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using a > > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My CR-7 > > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. Also, > > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) Thank > > you in advance for your help with this question. > > > > -Sam > > Everyone has their own favorite answer. Personally, I > prefer the wand over the cassette magnetizers, because > it lets me demagnetize not only the heads, but also the > guides and all other metal parts. It's also useful for > demagnetizing small tools, etc. > > I demag every ten hours or so of PB, a bit less after > I've done much recording. The idea is to demag more > often than needed. By the time you actually hear that > it's needed, it's way too late for your favorite > cassettes. > > I also have a heavy demagnetizer that will do video > cassettes and metal audio cassettes. I completely erase > recycled cassettes before 1st recording. This supposedly > reduces the noise floor of the tape. > > - -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1182 > ****************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 00:21:31 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:21:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2001 5:19:32 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Clean the heads, rollers, capstans & guides anytime you can see tape tracks on the rollers. With good tapes, that might be 30 or 40 tapes between cleanings. >> Thank you. I don't see anything, but in the past I use to clean my heads and all every 10 hours or so. I don't plan on playing any prerecorded cassettes on my CR-7, however in the past I use to clean immediately after playing a prerecorded cassette. Without boasting, my BX-150 heads and insides looks like new. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 00:21:51 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:21:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: <11c.35a449a.28b18736@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B803BFF.1B5CB970@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, I'm curious which Electrocompaniet integrated amp you listened to. What did you enjoy most about the Electrocompaniet? What did the rest of the system consist of? As good as their integrated amps are, their separates give you that much more. More refined, if you can believe that, while maintaining all the strengths of the integrated sound. I'm surprised that you like the ML 383 better. In my experience, and that of a few of my customers, the Electrocompaniet trounced the 383. Not even close. I don't know if you're aware but Electrocompaniet makes a very good sounding, yet affordable phono stage. It's small too. Could be perfect for you, especially since you enjoy the Electrocompaniet sound so much. Cheers, Jim Volpatti > Thank you for the weblink! Re: Mac Integ Amp question - I don't have the > space for separates, without some serious movement I don't have the room for > an integrated amp and tuner. I'm probably one of those who are "perfect" for > a receiver, but I am willing to make room for 2 more components, but no more. > And, the current crop of high-end integrated amps are just as good as their > separate counterparts in most cases. A "nice" high-end integ amp with a > respectable tuner would make a wonderful upgrade to my existing system. I > also like the Electrocompiant and my favorite choice is the ML No. 383. > Unfortunately, I have a turntable and conduct most of listening through > headphones, and I also use a mixing board. So for now, the ML would require > a considerable investment compared to the Mac. I'll double check, but I > thought the Mac had a phono input. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - There is still hope for the blank cassette media > An 8 track website full of links for 8-track enthusiasts. > > http://members.tripod.com/~Suzy116/links.html > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 00:41:19 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:41:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview Message-ID: <47.f9357ed.28b19a8f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/19/2001 5:24:22 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam, I'm curious which Electrocompaniet integrated amp you listened to. What did you enjoy most about the Electrocompaniet? What did the rest of the system consist of? As good as their integrated amps are, their separates give you that much more. More refined, if you can believe that, while maintaining all the strengths of the integrated sound. I'm surprised that you like the ML 383 better. In my experience, and that of a few of my customers, the Electrocompaniet trounced the 383. Not even close. I don't know if you're aware but Electrocompaniet makes a very good sounding, yet affordable phono stage. It's small too. Could be perfect for you, especially since you enjoy the Electrocompaniet sound so much. Cheers, Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, I haven't had the opportunity to listen yet, just doing my research and asking for testimonials. I have to admit that I've liked everything I've read about the Electro-c's. The EC 4.7. Most of the reviews mention a bit of "crispy" highs, but that all depends on the whole system set-up and ultimately the reviews ear and personal tastes in music. I'm sure it would perform very well in my system. My favorite integrated amp at this point is the ML No. 383. What's interesting is that my audio friends have located two less expensive integrats that sound just as good to them. They are the McIntosh 6500 and the Electro-C 4.7. Everything, and I mean everything I've read about the ML No. 383 is positive. It certainly fits my decorum and styling "issues." But the final tests will be hearing and possibly auditioning these components in my home. The "sound" will be the final judge as that is paramount to me. Any suggestions/thoughts? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Stocker (there are 2 Brians that I know of in Naktalk) Brian Miller wrote: > > Sam, > > > > here is the url that will get you in to a McIntosh list much like Naktalk: > > > > http://www.topica.com/ > > > > When you get to this site, just type in mcintosh in the search section and > go through > > the steps to get on this list. For some reason it is not really active > like naktalk. > > Perhaps there are others. Post an email to the list with your query and, > while you > > are at it, ask the group if there are other Mac groups. > > > > Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it > is good, but > > you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not > appear to be a > > phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi > level inputs. > > Says nothing about lo level. > > > > Brian > > Clarification, the Mac 6500 has 6 inputs, including phono. I have heard > this amp in store, it is a beautiful piece. I thought it sounded pretty > good. Now, an in store audition is far from an in home audition. > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > For those of you who are McIntosh enthusiasts, can you help me locate a > > > review of the McIntosh 6500 Integrated Amp? Not having much success > with > > > simple Google searches. Thank you in advance for your help. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Aug 20 01:58:45 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:58:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 IntegAmpReview References: <11c.35a449a.28b18736@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8052B6.C12E3956@pacbell.net> Sam, I was not aware of your space constrictions. The current generation of Mac stuff, I am told, has seen a big leap in sound quality: having more transparency, depth of stage and openness. There may be no review for the int amp you are looking at. I don't read all the audio mags out there, however, I seldom see many reviews for McIntosh, period. Brian Stocker SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/19/2001 12:38:16 PM Central Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, it > is good, but > you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not appear > to be a > phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi level > inputs. > Says nothing about lo level. > > Brian > >> > > Hi Brian, > > Thank you for the weblink! Re: Mac Integ Amp question - I don't have the > space for separates, without some serious movement I don't have the room for > an integrated amp and tuner. I'm probably one of those who are "perfect" for > a receiver, but I am willing to make room for 2 more components, but no more. > And, the current crop of high-end integrated amps are just as good as their > separate counterparts in most cases. A "nice" high-end integ amp with a > respectable tuner would make a wonderful upgrade to my existing system. I > also like the Electrocompiant and my favorite choice is the ML No. 383. > Unfortunately, I have a turntable and conduct most of listening through > headphones, and I also use a mixing board. So for now, the ML would require > a considerable investment compared to the Mac. I'll double check, but I > thought the Mac had a phono input. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 03:22:10 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:22:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: <47.f9357ed.28b19a8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B806642.DD637A30@earthlink.net> Sam, Electrocompaniet makes two integrateds, the 75 wpc ECI3 and the 120 wpc ECI4. The 4.7 is Electrocompaniet's preamp. I can tell you that the high end on ALL Electrocompaniet's products are silk smooth and sweet with plenty of air and natural detail. The crispy highs definitely are coming from elsewhere. System synergy is everything. If your final decision is based on sound, I would bet money that the ML 383 will not take place at the heart of your system. Mark Levinson gear isn't worth the money when compared to the best out there. That is, if sound quality is the deciding factor. It's sad that most audiophiles never have the opportunity to listen to the best out there because those brands aren't part of the main stream press and most dealers there for won't take a chance on carrying a brand that isn't in high demand. Jim Volpatti > Hi Jim, > > I haven't had the opportunity to listen yet, just doing my research and > asking for testimonials. I have to admit that I've liked everything I've > read about the Electro-c's. The EC 4.7. Most of the reviews mention a bit > of "crispy" highs, but that all depends on the whole system set-up and > ultimately the reviews ear and personal tastes in music. I'm sure it would > perform very well in my system. > > My favorite integrated amp at this point is the ML No. 383. What's > interesting is that my audio friends have located two less expensive > integrats that sound just as good to them. They are the McIntosh 6500 and > the Electro-C 4.7. Everything, and I mean everything I've read about the ML > No. 383 is positive. It certainly fits my decorum and styling "issues." But > the final tests will be hearing and possibly auditioning these components in > my home. The "sound" will be the final judge as that is paramount to me. > Any suggestions/thoughts? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:17:27 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:17:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <3B7D0A17.52D90473@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B80FFD2.25116.DAEDA@localhost> Javier Perez wrote: > What surprises me is the muted response by > Russia! > So muted that I hadn't heard about in the mainstream media. You must keep in mind that the major American media are owned by the same entertainment companies that created this DMCA law, which deemed Dmitry guilty. Consider, for instance: - CNN - owned by Time Warner - ABC News - owned by Disney - NBC - in a strategic partnership [msnbc.com] with Microsoft - Fox - owned by a content congomerate of the same name - CBS - owned by Westinghouse, which is diversifying [lubbockonline.com] into ownership of cable music channels [above points made by David Price on Slashdot.org] Therefore, it is in their best interests not to give the coverage it deserves. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:19:13 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:19:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B81003E.21280.F52A8@localhost> Matyas wrote: > A film that has leaved me mouth-open is FINAL FANTASY. I second this. If anyone hasn't seen this movie, do so NOW. Not only is it entertaining from a refreshing persective, it is also historically relevant as the entire movie [except voices] was computer-generated. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 20 04:13:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> <0d8901c128fb$1871d460$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001e01c1291d$f3b4fe40$5a289bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Stephen ! Forgot to say that control motor works fine (already tried a replacement, doesn't help) but it didn't get any voltage at all at turn on time (and the next minute). After 30 secs if I push play cam is behaving strangely, moving up and down, stopping and reversing - however another 30 sec later everything is normal and rock steady ! Definitely an orange cap thing but there's none on logic. :-) I only replaced one lytic in the "power off" / mute line and will get the rest soon. Also the 3 mini relays on control cam have been cleaned & checked. I thought it was a bad chip / transistor as the 7812 got real warm in just a few seconds. Yesterday a friend's BX came in with reel motor problem, guess what, one of the motor's brush is half gone ! Must have came in from another indo techie. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > Salim, on your RX202, which is a whole different (sankyo mech) deck than the > 505/303(nak mechs), I can think of two possibilities on the intialising > fault. One is simply mechanical. When you turn it on, look at the worm > gear of the control drive motor & see if it does a nice, free spin when the > deck is turned on, or if it moves sluggishly or not at all at first, in > which case, see if giving it a push helps expedite the intialisation. Other > possibility is a fault in the 5V reset/mute portion of the power supply. > Don't have the schematic handy, so I can just say that you should look > references to reset & mute in the supply section diagram, then see if you > get a solid 4.5-5v within a second of turn on. If not, look for a bad > electrolytic cap or transistor in that area. > BTW, I forgot to bring home the TD-700 diagrams to look for the tone bypass > method. Hopefully tomorrow. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:20:49 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:20:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <3B7D81AA.EB81E6C7@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B81009F.9688.10CD86@localhost> Ron wrote: > > I understand your frustration, but can't help but say > a few words in defense of content providers. Because > of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the > brink of bankruptcy. *snip* Hehe Ron, you had me going there for a moment :-D Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Mon Aug 20 04:23:50 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:23:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 References: <200108192201.AAA28879@zebra.naks.com> <07db01c128fd$bd573310$6d740818@CC604317A> Message-ID: <001d01c1291f$2745dee0$989c42d8@idirect.com> Tom, That's a good question regarding the DM-10. It's almost like you are exorcising spirits, as you wave the magic wand around. I have used demagnetizers don't vibrate when turned on. However, you should definitely feel the demagnetizer vibrate when it is put near metal, such as the heads, capstans etc. Of course it will not do so around aluminum or any metal that is not affected by magnetism. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Mon Aug 20 04:33:23 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:33:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) References: <12e.33eb36e.28b18945@aol.com> <0d7b01c128fa$0c0e8de0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002e01c12920$81bca240$989c42d8@idirect.com> I am told that 2 head cassette decks don't need to be demagnetized as they demagnetize themselves (record playback head only) when they record. Only 3 head decks need to be demagnetized. Of course, at least in theory, it's good to demagnetize the whole tape path no matter what deck you are using for a few seconds for every 10 hours of use. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:33:49 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:33:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <3B7DA162.9BB2481B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B8103AC.23352.1CB8E9@localhost> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > if they like the other > music by that same artist, which the site makes available, more times that > not they will actually go out and purchase the CD. Very true. Before I started using Napster, I had two CDs, with no plans for more in the immediate future. Once I jumped on, I purchased 60 CDs in the space of five months [instantly taping them on my Nak of course *grins*] Since the rape of Napster, I am boycotting the RIAA by not supporting any artists who are opposed to Napster [the art comes first, then the money if at all], while supporting those who are pro-Napster [even implicitly]. Result: five CDs in the last seven months. > sites like Napster have freed up the distribution strangle hold that the Big > Five music labels have held on the entire music industry Here's news that should interest you all. The Big 5 came under legal fire for price-fixing their CDs some time ago [two years?] and were ordered to lower their prices pronto. But has anyone seen any drop? Not me. CDs are cheaper to produce than cassettes; however, this wasn't the case when they were introduced [new technology etc.] Therefore, they sold at higher rates. Understandable. But now, they cannot use the same excuse, as high production levels and sales have brought down the cost of producing them well below that of tapes. Ah well. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:42:23 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:42:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <00ed01c1279f$cca17060$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B8105AE.24857.248FF8@localhost> Kannan. S wrote: > Imagine a complex DVD player sells for 100 $ while some CDs cost 17 $ a > piece - any justification to this anomoly? This business model was invented by Gillette [correct me if I'm wrong]. He'd sell the razor stick for a very low price, and the blades would be almost as expensive. Very shrewd, eh? > And what is cost of production - less than 50 cents? Actually, the cost of production has to include distribution costs, salaries, recording costs, salaries etc. etc. Quite understandable that they aren't selling it for a dollar a piece. What is shocking is the deal the artist receives: loss of ownership of creative work [goes to label], percentage of sale [typically less than 10%] and draconian contracts [produce so many albums in so much time - can result in crap music]. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:44:19 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:44:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories In-Reply-To: <3B7E7A45.F61AFB57@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B810623.8735.265896@localhost> Ron wrote: > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > what, exactly this is attributable to Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:51:19 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:51:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B8107C5.31851.2CBCE9@localhost> Mark Hugo wrote: > Jason! Wow! I thought I had 'catholic' tastes in music. Megadeth to > Beethoven, Def Leppard to Satie, and more in between. Very impressive. Um... I doubt Slayer and Type O Negative would be classified 'catholic' *grins* The first band is full-on thrash/speed/death metal and many songs deal with the devil etc. As for TON, their lyrics are to the point - more like blashphemy. But, as frontman Peter Steele points out, it has more to do with anti-religion, not Satanism [he is an atheist]. And no, none of these bands have 'subliminally' influenced me into slaughtering cows, babies etc. :-) Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:56:50 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:56:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817105707.00a710b0@mail.verizon.net> References: <3B7D514B.12835.5B5894@localhost> Message-ID: <3B810913.28026.31D4DE@localhost> Marc Stager wrote: > or putting the record button directly > below the play button with no space in between, on the > allegedly "pro" MR-1. That's a disaster waiting to happen, > and an incredibly stupid stupid design on an otherwise fine deck. > One slight slip and you wipe your tape. You mean pressing the REC button instantly starts recording, as opposed to say the LX-3, which requires simultaneously pushing REC and PLAY? Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Mon Aug 20 04:58:04 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:58:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates In-Reply-To: <007401c12756$1799a320$65f73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3B810958.12441.32E327@localhost> Warren wrote: > they didn't plan to use start me up it was the theme song for > windows 95 Yep, that's what I meant :-) Cheers Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 07:39:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:39:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B810623.8735.265896@localhost> Message-ID: <3B80A299.56337EB@yahoo.com> What I really can't figure is why a massive boycott of copyright holders ie: publishers and record producers hasn't been organized. Can u guys imaging what would happen if it suddenly became politically trendy to borrow books from each other, share each other's software and copy each other's music??? These idiots would be on their knees in a matter of weeks! We could actually start this on the net. Perhaps that's why they killed usenet. It was the only place that had the potential to allow anyone to access everyone. Javier Jason Antony wrote: > Ron wrote: > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Mon Aug 20 07:49:03 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:49:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pro Audio In-Reply-To: <3B810913.28026.31D4DE@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817105707.00a710b0@mail.verizon.net> <3B7D514B.12835.5B5894@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010820014103.00a97ec0@mail.verizon.net> >Marc Stager wrote: > > > or putting the record button directly > > below the play button with no space in between on the > > allegedly "pro" MR-1. That's a disaster waiting to happen, > > and an incredibly stupid stupid design on an otherwise fine deck. > > One slight slip and you wipe your tape. > > >You mean pressing the REC button instantly starts recording, >as opposed to say the LX-3, which requires simultaneously >pushing REC and PLAY? > >Cheers >Jason ============================================= No, you have to press both, but with the record and play buttons so close to each other, it's very easy to go into record accidentally. I'm very careful now to punch out the erase-protect tabs on valuable tapes. ____________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 08:14:43 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:14:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: <47.f9357ed.28b19a8f@aol.com> <3B806642.DD637A30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0e6e01c1293f$68370800$123442cf@sank1> No offense, Jim, but I must add that I take exception to the concept of "system synergy". Whenever I hear this term come up, it invariably means that the component has some anomaly that another component compensates for(e.g., Purist Audio cables & Krell components= marshmellow sound + screechy adding up to a semblance of normalcy). I am of the philosophy, whether in my own designs or choosing components for clients, that any component should sound good with any other reasonably decent component. This is the only way one can be assured of any semblance of a pure & transparent system. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview > Sam, > > Electrocompaniet makes two integrateds, the 75 wpc ECI3 and the 120 wpc > ECI4. The 4.7 is Electrocompaniet's preamp. I can tell you that the high > end on ALL Electrocompaniet's products are silk smooth and sweet with > plenty of air and natural detail. The crispy highs definitely are coming > from elsewhere. System synergy is everything. > > If your final decision is based on sound, I would bet money that the ML > 383 will not take place at the heart of your system. Mark Levinson gear > isn't worth the money when compared to the best out there. That is, if > sound quality is the deciding factor. It's sad that most audiophiles > never have the opportunity to listen to the best out there because those > brands aren't part of the main stream press and most dealers there for > won't take a chance on carrying a brand that isn't in high demand. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I haven't had the opportunity to listen yet, just doing my research and > > asking for testimonials. I have to admit that I've liked everything I've > > read about the Electro-c's. The EC 4.7. Most of the reviews mention a bit > > of "crispy" highs, but that all depends on the whole system set-up and > > ultimately the reviews ear and personal tastes in music. I'm sure it would > > perform very well in my system. > > > > My favorite integrated amp at this point is the ML No. 383. What's > > interesting is that my audio friends have located two less expensive > > integrats that sound just as good to them. They are the McIntosh 6500 and > > the Electro-C 4.7. Everything, and I mean everything I've read about the ML > > No. 383 is positive. It certainly fits my decorum and styling "issues." But > > the final tests will be hearing and possibly auditioning these components in > > my home. The "sound" will be the final judge as that is paramount to me. > > Any suggestions/thoughts? > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 08:56:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:56:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: <47.f9357ed.28b19a8f@aol.com> <3B806642.DD637A30@earthlink.net> <0e6e01c1293f$68370800$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B80B48B.59C764FD@earthlink.net> "reasonably decent component." Those "reviews" on Audio Reviews don't necessarily include decent components. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 09:12:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:12:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B810623.8735.265896@localhost> <3B80A299.56337EB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0eb801c12947$84f5c280$123442cf@sank1> Javier, What do you mean when you say, "they killed Usenet"? I make half my living from Usenet newsgroups, and I haven't seen anything change. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > What I really can't figure is why a massive boycott of > copyright holders ie: publishers and record producers > hasn't been organized. Can u guys imaging what would happen if > it suddenly became politically trendy to borrow books from each other, > share each other's software and copy each other's music??? > These idiots would be on their knees in a matter of weeks! > > We could actually start this on the net. Perhaps that's why they > killed usenet. It was the only place that had the potential > to allow anyone to access everyone. > > Javier > > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. > > > > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Aug 20 10:28:19 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:28:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BED2@CPT-01> Oops see i get suckered into believing Sony have got their name into the algorithm -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: 19 August 2001 03:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Recording - suitable source CD In a message dated 8/17/2001 6:13:26 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << "SBM"="Super Bit Mapping". It's a technique of using 20-bit mastering, then using a specific algorithm(s) to take it down to 16-bit. >> thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Mon Aug 20 14:19:10 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:19:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1185 References: <200108200548.HAA31814@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <083501c12972$514d1020$6d740818@CC604317A> Thanks Ron...indeed it does vibrate around magnetic metals (at least it does up close to our kitchen stove - handy place to plug it in). Now all I need is a new zertostat to exercise all those static causing ions! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 00:48 Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1185 > > naktalk-digest Monday, August 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1185 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:17:27 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > What surprises me is the muted response by > > Russia! > > So muted that I hadn't heard about in the mainstream media. > > > You must keep in mind that the major American media are owned by the same > entertainment companies that created this DMCA law, which deemed Dmitry > guilty. Consider, for instance: > > - CNN - owned by Time Warner > - ABC News - owned by Disney > - NBC - in a strategic partnership [msnbc.com] with Microsoft > - Fox - owned by a content congomerate of the same name > - CBS - owned by Westinghouse, which is diversifying [lubbockonline.com] > into ownership of cable music channels > > [above points made by David Price on Slashdot.org] > > > Therefore, it is in their best interests not to give the coverage it > deserves. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:19:13 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Matyas wrote: > > > A film that has leaved me mouth-open is FINAL FANTASY. > > I second this. If anyone hasn't seen this movie, do so NOW. Not only is it > entertaining from a refreshing persective, it is also historically relevant > as the entire movie [except voices] was computer-generated. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:21 +0700 > From: "Salim Marzuki" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Forgot to say that control motor works fine (already tried a replacement, > doesn't help) but it didn't get any voltage at all at turn on time (and the > next minute). After 30 secs if I push play cam is behaving strangely, > moving up and down, stopping and reversing - however another 30 sec later > everything is normal and rock steady ! Definitely an orange cap thing but > there's none on logic. :-) I only replaced one lytic in the "power off" / > mute line and will get the rest soon. Also the 3 mini relays on control cam > have been cleaned & checked. I thought it was a bad chip / transistor as > the 7812 got real warm in just a few seconds. > > Yesterday a friend's BX came in with reel motor problem, guess what, one of > the motor's brush is half gone ! Must have came in from another indo > techie. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > Salim, on your RX202, which is a whole different (sankyo mech) deck than > the > > 505/303(nak mechs), I can think of two possibilities on the intialising > > fault. One is simply mechanical. When you turn it on, look at the worm > > gear of the control drive motor & see if it does a nice, free spin when > the > > deck is turned on, or if it moves sluggishly or not at all at first, in > > which case, see if giving it a push helps expedite the intialisation. > Other > > possibility is a fault in the 5V reset/mute portion of the power supply. > > Don't have the schematic handy, so I can just say that you should look > > references to reset & mute in the supply section diagram, then see if you > > get a solid 4.5-5v within a second of turn on. If not, look for a bad > > electrolytic cap or transistor in that area. > > BTW, I forgot to bring home the TD-700 diagrams to look for the tone > bypass > > method. Hopefully tomorrow. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:20:49 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Ron wrote: > > > > > I understand your frustration, but can't help but say > > a few words in defense of content providers. Because > > of criminal copying, the industry is tottering on the > > brink of bankruptcy. > > *snip* > > > Hehe Ron, you had me going there for a moment :-D > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:23:50 -0700 > From: "Roland Alford" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 > > Tom, > > That's a good question regarding the DM-10. It's almost like you are > exorcising spirits, as you wave the magic wand around. > > I have used demagnetizers don't vibrate when turned on. However, you should > definitely feel the demagnetizer vibrate when it is put near metal, such as > the heads, capstans etc. Of course it will not do so around aluminum or any > metal that is not affected by magnetism. > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:33:23 -0700 > From: "Roland Alford" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > I am told that 2 head cassette decks don't need to be demagnetized as they > demagnetize themselves (record playback head only) when they record. Only 3 > head decks need to be demagnetized. > > Of course, at least in theory, it's good to demagnetize the whole tape path > no matter what deck you are using for a few seconds for every 10 hours of > use. > > Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:33:49 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > if they like the other > > music by that same artist, which the site makes available, more times that > > not they will actually go out and purchase the CD. > > > Very true. Before I started using Napster, I had two CDs, with no plans for > more in the immediate future. Once I jumped on, I purchased 60 CDs in the > space of five months [instantly taping them on my Nak of course *grins*] > > Since the rape of Napster, I am boycotting the RIAA by not supporting any > artists who are opposed to Napster [the art comes first, then the money if > at all], while supporting those who are pro-Napster [even implicitly]. > > Result: five CDs in the last seven months. > > > > sites like Napster have freed up the distribution strangle hold that the Big > > Five music labels have held on the entire music industry > > > Here's news that should interest you all. The Big 5 came under legal fire > for price-fixing their CDs some time ago [two years?] and were ordered to > lower their prices pronto. But has anyone seen any drop? Not me. > > CDs are cheaper to produce than cassettes; however, this wasn't the case > when they were introduced [new technology etc.] Therefore, they sold at > higher rates. Understandable. But now, they cannot use the same excuse, as > high production levels and sales have brought down the cost of producing > them well below that of tapes. > > Ah well. > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:42:23 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Kannan. S wrote: > > > Imagine a complex DVD player sells for 100 $ while some CDs cost 17 $ a > > piece - any justification to this anomoly? > > This business model was invented by Gillette [correct me if I'm wrong]. > He'd sell the razor stick for a very low price, and the blades would be > almost as expensive. > > Very shrewd, eh? > > > > And what is cost of production - less than 50 cents? > > Actually, the cost of production has to include distribution costs, > salaries, recording costs, salaries etc. etc. Quite understandable that > they aren't selling it for a dollar a piece. > > What is shocking is the deal the artist receives: loss of ownership of > creative work [goes to label], percentage of sale [typically less than 10%] > and draconian contracts [produce so many albums in so much time - can > result in crap music]. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:44:19 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. > > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:51:19 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > Jason! Wow! I thought I had 'catholic' tastes in music. Megadeth to > > Beethoven, Def Leppard to Satie, and more in between. Very impressive. > > > Um... I doubt Slayer and Type O Negative would be classified 'catholic' > *grins* The first band is full-on thrash/speed/death metal and many songs > deal with the devil etc. > > As for TON, their lyrics are to the point - more like blashphemy. But, as > frontman Peter Steele points out, it has more to do with anti-religion, not > Satanism [he is an atheist]. > > And no, none of these bands have 'subliminally' influenced me into > slaughtering cows, babies etc. :-) > > Jason > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:56:50 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > or putting the record button directly > > below the play button with no space in between, on the > > allegedly "pro" MR-1. That's a disaster waiting to happen, > > and an incredibly stupid stupid design on an otherwise fine deck. > > One slight slip and you wipe your tape. > > > You mean pressing the REC button instantly starts recording, as opposed to > say the LX-3, which requires simultaneously pushing REC and PLAY? > > Cheers > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:58:04 +1000 > From: "Jason Antony" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pro Audio and Bill gates > > Warren wrote: > > > they didn't plan to use start me up it was the theme song for > > windows 95 > > Yep, that's what I meant :-) > > Cheers > Jason > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:39:37 -0400 > From: Javier > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > What I really can't figure is why a massive boycott of > copyright holders ie: publishers and record producers > hasn't been organized. Can u guys imaging what would happen if > it suddenly became politically trendy to borrow books from each other, > share each other's software and copy each other's music??? > These idiots would be on their knees in a matter of weeks! > > We could actually start this on the net. Perhaps that's why they > killed usenet. It was the only place that had the potential > to allow anyone to access everyone. > > Javier > > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. > > > > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1185 > ****************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 16:04:16 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:04:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B810623.8735.265896@localhost> <3B80A299.56337EB@yahoo.com> <0eb801c12947$84f5c280$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B8118E0.7C064221@yahoo.com> It's a shadow of what it was a few years back. Let's remember that usenet was becoming THE place to get your opinions out. Now, most folks can't even find an NNTP server and must rely on HTML based services like newsranger which are clumsey and un"pop-like"able. part of this happened when Dejanews dropped the ball. Perhaps now that google has picked it up things might change but I doubt it. Ironically, it is more difficult to get a message out to a large group of people today than it was 5 years ago Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Javier, > What do you mean when you say, "they killed Usenet"? I make half my > living from Usenet newsgroups, and I haven't seen anything change. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... and other stories > > > What I really can't figure is why a massive boycott of > > copyright holders ie: publishers and record producers > > hasn't been organized. Can u guys imaging what would happen if > > it suddenly became politically trendy to borrow books from each other, > > share each other's software and copy each other's music??? > > These idiots would be on their knees in a matter of weeks! > > > > We could actually start this on the net. Perhaps that's why they > > killed usenet. It was the only place that had the potential > > to allow anyone to access everyone. > > > > Javier > > > > > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > > > > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > > > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > > > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the > wallet. > > > > > > Jason > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 20 16:39:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:39:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 References: <200108192201.AAA28879@zebra.naks.com> <07db01c128fd$bd573310$6d740818@CC604317A> Message-ID: <3B81213F.932120AA@concentric.net> Try switching it on and moving it close to a small ferric object. If it's working properly, the object (not the demagnetizer) will buzz. If you notice an increase in tape hiss or loss of high frequencies in PB, demagnetizing will not cure the problem -- it should have been used before it occurred. When you demag regularly, there should be no obvious change -- demagnetizing prevents these problems from appearing, but can do nothing to cure them, once they have. -- Ron Tom Dedrick wrote: > > Stupid ? time...I recently purchased Nak DM-10 demag on Ebay. Havn't used it > yet but it appears in good shape. When I turn it on there is no > noise/vibration/etc. to let me know it is doing something. Other than the > obvious thing of using it after several hours of deck time and noticing a > reducution in the noise floor ( that is one of the benefits, right?) how do > I konw if this thing is actually working? How do you test one? I would > assume it would make a change to a magnetic compass? > > Tom Dedrick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "naktalk-digest" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 17:01 > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1182 > > > > > naktalk-digest Monday, August 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number > 1182 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:23:47 +0100 > > From: "Iain Bethune" > > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > > > Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > Thanks > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:00:07 EDT > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 > Integ Amp Review > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 6:47:18 AM Central Daylight Time, > > brianm at grar.com writes: > > > > << Sam, > > > > I also have searched the 'net and came up empty! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > >> > > > > Thanks for trying, I really appreciate it! > > > > - -Sam > > > > PS > > > > How was your day in the Lord? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital > speakers", > > as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any > > possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian > has > > > digital speakers. > > > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > > centered > > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's > time > > to > > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > > becomes > > > a > > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with > believi > > ng > > > it > > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:12:30 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > > > I do it for a few seconds, *slowly* waving it around > > heads and all metal parts. Seems to do the job. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > Iain Bethune wrote: > > > > > > Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for > to > > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:17:55 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > To clarify: I meant a speaker driver that is directly > > driven by so many bits of digital drive. Obviously, > > the output must be analog if we are to hear it, but > > the cone motion is discrete (without the filtering > > effect of the cone mass, it would have a finite number > > of positions) and conversion occurs within the speaker. > > I think this will be as close to a digital speaker as > > we can get. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Actually, even Ron's description does not describe "truly digital > speakers", > > > as the end device is still an analog transducer. I don't see any > > > possibility of a "pure digital" speaker device. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > I don't know what is meant by "truely" digital speakers, but Meridian > has > > > > digital speakers. > > > > > > > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/m_bro_spk.htm > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > > > > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. > No > > > > one comes to the Father except through Me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal ES > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2001 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Astute observation. Inevitably, truly digital speakers > > > > > will appear on the scene. This will, first, eliminate > > > > > the power amp as we know it today; and, second, leave > > > > > the room as the only tweakable component in the > > > > > reproduction chain. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. I have had (and kept close to my vest) a system design > > > > centered > > > > > on a speaker system that would fit this "bill" nicely. Maybe it's > time > > > to > > > > > talk with my banker. Any interested investors? (wink) > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a "guess" as to how long it will take before this > > > becomes > > > > a > > > > > reality? As much as people love their amps I am struggling with > believi > > > ng > > > > it > > > > > will one day be deleted from the equation. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:18:46 EDT > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 > Integ AmpReview > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 12:38:16 PM Central Daylight Time, > > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > > > << Why do you want a Mac integrated amp? I am sure, like most mac stuff, > it > > is good, but > > you would be better off, IMO, with components. Also, there does not > appear > > to be a > > phono section. The Mac site shows the 6500 and states there are 8 hi > level > > inputs. > > Says nothing about lo level. > > > > Brian > > >> > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > Thank you for the weblink! Re: Mac Integ Amp question - I don't have the > > space for separates, without some serious movement I don't have the room > for > > an integrated amp and tuner. I'm probably one of those who are "perfect" > for > > a receiver, but I am willing to make room for 2 more components, but no > more. > > And, the current crop of high-end integrated amps are just as good as > their > > separate counterparts in most cases. A "nice" high-end integ amp with a > > respectable tuner would make a wonderful upgrade to my existing system. I > > also like the Electrocompiant and my favorite choice is the ML No. 383. > > Unfortunately, I have a turntable and conduct most of listening through > > headphones, and I also use a mixing board. So for now, the ML would > require > > a considerable investment compared to the Mac. I'll double check, but I > > thought the Mac had a phono input. > > > > - -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:27:33 EDT > > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for to > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > Thanks > > > > Iain > > >> > > > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and I > > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been using > a > > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My > CR-7 > > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. > Also, > > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) > Thank > > you in advance for your help with this question. > > > > - -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:51:39 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk - Maxell Demagnetizer (A-410 Dry Type) > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2001 3:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > icb80 at hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > << Hi fellow nak fans, > > > > > > I have a problem with my demagnetizer. > > > > > > The instructions don't say how long I have to use the demagnetizer for > to > > > properly demagnetize my deck. > > > > > > Do I 'play' it for 20 secs, 10 mins, 10 hours? I've no idea. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Iain > > > >> > > > > > > To piggyback onto this question, I now own a hand held demagnetizer and > I > > > wanted to ask this group which type of demag is better. I have been > using a > > > Teac cassette-shell demagnetizer that contains a watch battery that you > > > insert into your deck like a cassette and press play for 5 seconds. I > > > haven't used it in years so I don't know if it will damage my deck. My > CR-7 > > > arrived with a new, albeit older model pencil-styled TDK demagnetizer. > Also, > > > how often should you demag your heads? (e.g., every 100 hours of use) > Thank > > > you in advance for your help with this question. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > Everyone has their own favorite answer. Personally, I > > prefer the wand over the cassette magnetizers, because > > it lets me demagnetize not only the heads, but also the > > guides and all other metal parts. It's also useful for > > demagnetizing small tools, etc. > > > > I demag every ten hours or so of PB, a bit less after > > I've done much recording. The idea is to demag more > > often than needed. By the time you actually hear that > > it's needed, it's way too late for your favorite > > cassettes. > > > > I also have a heavy demagnetizer that will do video > > cassettes and metal audio cassettes. I completely erase > > recycled cassettes before 1st recording. This supposedly > > reduces the noise floor of the tape. > > > > - -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 20 17:01:27 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:01:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ... and other stories References: <3B810623.8735.265896@localhost> <3B80A299.56337EB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B812647.5E8C4254@concentric.net> I believe organizing such a boycott would be illegal. Besides, you are dealing with masses of teen agers that don't give a hang about cost of the product, let alone, business morals or principles. They simply buy what they like, oblivious to any other consideration. Calls for boycott would be wasted on this large segment of the buying public. Many people think this is a moral issue (thieves vs. innocent property owners) and don't realize how cynical and mercenary content vendors are. This naiveté is well represented in the media and 'net NGs. It will probably oppose calls for boycott. -- Ron Javier wrote: > > What I really can't figure is why a massive boycott of > copyright holders ie: publishers and record producers > hasn't been organized. Can u guys imaging what would happen if > it suddenly became politically trendy to borrow books from each other, > share each other's software and copy each other's music??? > These idiots would be on their knees in a matter of weeks! > > We could actually start this on the net. Perhaps that's why they > killed usenet. It was the only place that had the potential > to allow anyone to access everyone. > > Javier > > Jason Antony wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Statistically, CD sales have gone *down* since the (de > > > facto) demise of Napster. There are questions as to > > > what, exactly this is attributable to > > > > Not only due to the mild recession or cyclical effect, but a large > > percentage of music fans are making their displeasure known with the > > recording labels by hitting them where it hurts the most - in the wallet. > > > > Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 17:10:10 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:10:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 In-Reply-To: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: The 505 does use tape slack removal. The intial reset is about 5 seconds or so (while the stop light flashes)...same as the dragon. Alex > Same here with my 202, resets to 0 on reverse. Talk about good cleaning ! > I washed the frontplate of this dirty deck and water residue runs out > brownish. Now it's clean and I'm getting to like the look of illuminated > full size door and the bulky size of it (I thought it's about BX size). > > BTW does the 505 use tape slack removal ? And how long is the > turn on delay > ? One problem left with my 202 is that something wrong with > 'initial reset' > circuit, I have to leave the deck on for 1/2 - 1 minute before it > recognize > any 'command' (except eject). I thought there's a solder crack but whole > logic pcb is already resoldered and problem persists. > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Aug 20 18:22:16 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:22:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby B versus Dolby C References: <3B8107C5.31851.2CBCE9@localhost> Message-ID: <3B813936.58F73059@pacbell.net> "catholic" lower case c, has nothing to do with Catholicism or religion. Brian Stocker Jason Antony wrote: > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > Jason! Wow! I thought I had 'catholic' tastes in music. Megadeth to > > Beethoven, Def Leppard to Satie, and more in between. Very impressive. > > Um... I doubt Slayer and Type O Negative would be classified 'catholic' > *grins* The first band is full-on thrash/speed/death metal and many songs > deal with the devil etc. > > As for TON, their lyrics are to the point - more like blashphemy. But, as > frontman Peter Steele points out, it has more to do with anti-religion, not > Satanism [he is an atheist]. > > And no, none of these bands have 'subliminally' influenced me into > slaughtering cows, babies etc. :-) > > Jason > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 18:41:00 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:41:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: I spent a few hours yesterday doing some tests between the two decks. To my ears they sound VERY similar. The 505 definitely has great sounds...rich sound. I found the Dragon to have sligh advantages in mid-range sound, but all else to be equal. I believe both of these decks to have amazing sound reproduction. I don't know what it is about Nak decks...but they have such a rich and full sound. The one thing I really like about the RX505 that the Dragon doesn't have is the music index search. I always wondered why the Dragon didn't have this....using the cue function has no comparison to hitting the search button on the 505 and letting it do the work. I have to say...the two beasts look awesome next to each other on the rack...simply beautiful. I think it's time to replace my Adcom555's with Nak PA7 amps. If anyone sees any, let me know. There was one on ebay...a PA7, not II, but the guy wanted 900 for it...that seems a bit steep. Will I notice a nice difference on a PA7 from the Adcom555II amps? I need high current since I am powering very inefficient ribbon hybrid speakers. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Can an older cap coupled design be made to sound as good as a new one with better and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of doing the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I could get away with similar results by just enhancing the traditional design. Any advice is appreciated Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 20:01:18 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:01:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 IntegAmpReview Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2001 6:52:33 PM Central Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << Sam, I was not aware of your space constrictions. The current generation of Mac stuff, I am told, has seen a big leap in sound quality: having more transparency, depth of stage and openness. There may be no review for the int amp you are looking at. I don't read all the audio mags out there, however, I seldom see many reviews for McIntosh, period. Brian Stocker >> Thanks Brian S. I haven't visited the Mac usergroup as of yet, but I will by the end of this week. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 20:03:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:03:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview Message-ID: Hi Jim, Thank you for the tips! I'll keep you posted... -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 20:11:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:11:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: Hi All, I've wanted to ask this question for some time, and given Alex's results with his Dragon vs RX-505 A/B comparisons, which of these two decks provides the most accurate azimuth in reverse? Theoretically, the RX would appear to have the best alignment as the heads do not move. However, the Dragon's claim-to-fame is due to it's auto-azimuth alignment system. Any takers? (smile) -Sam PS Congratulations Alex, send us a pic if you have an opportunity as I'm sure they both look awesome together in your rack. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 20:20:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:20:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question References: Message-ID: <0f0d01c129a4$cc077260$123442cf@sank1> Any version PA-5/7 will sound way smoother & more detailed & have twice the "balls" of the Adcom 555(which doesn't have as much balls as the little 535). You'll love them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question > I spent a few hours yesterday doing some tests between the two decks. To my > ears they sound VERY similar. The 505 definitely has great sounds...rich > sound. I found the Dragon to have sligh advantages in mid-range sound, but > all else to be equal. I believe both of these decks to have amazing sound > reproduction. I don't know what it is about Nak decks...but they have such > a rich and full sound. The one thing I really like about the RX505 that the > Dragon doesn't have is the music index search. I always wondered why the > Dragon didn't have this....using the cue function has no comparison to > hitting the search button on the 505 and letting it do the work. I have to > say...the two beasts look awesome next to each other on the rack...simply > beautiful. I think it's time to replace my Adcom555's with Nak PA7 amps. > If anyone sees any, let me know. There was one on ebay...a PA7, not II, but > the guy wanted 900 for it...that seems a bit steep. Will I notice a nice > difference on a PA7 from the Adcom555II amps? I need high current since I > am powering very inefficient ribbon hybrid speakers. > > Alex > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 20:29:28 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:29:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm confused here. If azimuth adjustment is only necessary due to autoreverse...why does the Dragon always adjust azimuth when you put in a tape? This leads me to believe that even tape to tape....there are slight adjustments to be made. This would also lead me to believe that even a non-autoreverse deck would benefit from azimuth adjustment. What am I missing here? Alex re: picture of decks- this list supports jpeg attachments? > Hi All, > > I've wanted to ask this question for some time, and given Alex's > results with > his Dragon vs RX-505 A/B comparisons, which of these two decks > provides the > most accurate azimuth in reverse? Theoretically, the RX would > appear to have > the best alignment as the heads do not move. However, the Dragon's > claim-to-fame is due to it's auto-azimuth alignment system. Any takers? > (smile) > > -Sam > > PS > Congratulations Alex, send us a pic if you have an opportunity as > I'm sure > they both look awesome together in your rack. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 20:28:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:28:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Searching for a McIntosh 6500 Integ AmpReview References: Message-ID: <3B8156E9.5A7E478D@earthlink.net> Anytime Sam. SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Thank you for the tips! I'll keep you posted... > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 20:34:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:34:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question References: Message-ID: <0f2e01c129a6$bd95b6e0$123442cf@sank1> Nothing is more accurate on azimuth in fwd or rev pb than the Dragon. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question > Hi All, > > I've wanted to ask this question for some time, and given Alex's results with > his Dragon vs RX-505 A/B comparisons, which of these two decks provides the > most accurate azimuth in reverse? Theoretically, the RX would appear to have > the best alignment as the heads do not move. However, the Dragon's > claim-to-fame is due to it's auto-azimuth alignment system. Any takers? > (smile) > > -Sam > > PS > Congratulations Alex, send us a pic if you have an opportunity as I'm sure > they both look awesome together in your rack. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 20 20:52:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:52:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon [picture posting] References: Message-ID: <0f7701c129a9$40a8ca20$123442cf@sank1> Wouter told me once that file attachments are auto-rejected. Which seems to be the case. However, I have adequate webspace that I'd be happy to set up a "naktalkers' systems page" for posting pics & brief descriptions of anyone's systems or Naks. Just try to keep the pics under 100kb each & include a ready pice of text to go with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question > I'm confused here. If azimuth adjustment is only necessary due to > autoreverse...why does the Dragon always adjust azimuth when you put in a > tape? This leads me to believe that even tape to tape....there are slight > adjustments to be made. This would also lead me to believe that even a > non-autoreverse deck would benefit from azimuth adjustment. What am I > missing here? > > Alex > > re: picture of decks- this list supports jpeg attachments? > > > Hi All, > > > > I've wanted to ask this question for some time, and given Alex's > > results with > > his Dragon vs RX-505 A/B comparisons, which of these two decks > > provides the > > most accurate azimuth in reverse? Theoretically, the RX would > > appear to have > > the best alignment as the heads do not move. However, the Dragon's > > claim-to-fame is due to it's auto-azimuth alignment system. Any takers? > > (smile) > > > > -Sam > > > > PS > > Congratulations Alex, send us a pic if you have an opportunity as > > I'm sure > > they both look awesome together in your rack. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 21:19:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:19:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: <15.19537d16.28b2bcbd@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/2001 1:31:53 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Nothing is more accurate on azimuth in fwd or rev pb than the Dragon.>> OK, so what about Alex's question - does azimuth need adjusting from tape-to-tape? And, does the Dragon adjust azimuth everytime a cassette is inserted regardless of direction? Finally, why hasn't (or I should say didn't) the other manufacturers follow suit? It appears that despite manual adjustment features, no one else created an automatic alignment system like the Dragon's? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 21:36:19 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:36:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question In-Reply-To: <15.19537d16.28b2bcbd@aol.com> Message-ID: I hope it does, or..is supposed to...cause everytime I put a tape in, the azimuth light blinks for a bit. Alex > OK, so what about Alex's question - does azimuth need adjusting from > tape-to-tape? And, does the Dragon adjust azimuth everytime a > cassette is > inserted regardless of direction? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 21 05:00:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:00:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question References: <15.19537d16.28b2bcbd@aol.com> Message-ID: <0fca01c129ed$7ae37700$123442cf@sank1> Azimuth can actually be disturbed slightly by aging of the cassette shell & the tape, so, yes, it is an advantage to have an "always correct as need is detected" auto-azimuth system. The biggest advantage, of course, is in pb of tapes made on other, imperfect decks. The system isn't cheap to implement, since it requires center-tapped head windings, which only Nak ever made, as far as I know, plus some pretty fancy circuitry. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question > In a message dated 8/20/2001 1:31:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Nothing is more accurate on azimuth in fwd or rev pb than the Dragon.>> > > > OK, so what about Alex's question - does azimuth need adjusting from > tape-to-tape? And, does the Dragon adjust azimuth everytime a cassette is > inserted regardless of direction? Finally, why hasn't (or I should say > didn't) the other manufacturers follow suit? It appears that despite manual > adjustment features, no one else created an automatic alignment system like > the Dragon's? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 21 05:10:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:10:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2001 9:59:49 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Azimuth can actually be disturbed slightly by aging of the cassette shell & the tape, so, yes, it is an advantage to have an "always correct as need is detected" auto-azimuth system. The biggest advantage, of course, is in pb of tapes made on other, imperfect decks. The system isn't cheap to implement, since it requires center-tapped head windings, which only Nak ever made, as far as I know, plus some pretty fancy circuitry. >> Just another testament to the quality and design of Naks. During their heyday, it is clear that they were committed to the cassette medium and saw more in that medium than other manufacturers. Guess I better start saving for a Dragon. Thanks Stephen. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 21 05:05:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:35:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: <003c01c129ee$279adba0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah the Dragon' s Auto azimuth function works even when the light is not blinking! The circuit is active when the Dragon is powered. It does adjust minute amounts of azimuth anomolies if there is phase anomolies in the signal and is very accurate. The reason for Dragon' reputation is due to this correction - it sounds amazing on tapes that may not have accurate azimuth alignment with other decks like Cr7/ RX505 . But if the azimuth is fine the diffeference in sound is minimal or sublime - may be due to different reasons. I have compared my Dragon with another mint Dragon - like from the Factory. My Dragon sounded very sweet compared the new one ( almost new - I can' t believe my eyes when I set my eyes on this new Dragon' ) I think that this really old Dragon sounds better because I changed the caps / and OP275 on all Playback circuitry. Cr7 is amzing for its transparency and Dragon for its playback on all tapes that you throw at it. No wonder I am keeping both! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question >I hope it does, or..is supposed to...cause everytime I put a tape in, the >azimuth light blinks for a bit. > >Alex > >> OK, so what about Alex's question - does azimuth need adjusting from >> tape-to-tape? And, does the Dragon adjust azimuth everytime a >> cassette is >> inserted regardless of direction? > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 21 05:32:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:32:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2001 10:24:12 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << I think that this really old Dragon sounds better because I changed the caps / and OP275 on all Playback circuitry. Cr7 is amzing for its transparency and Dragon for its playback on all tapes that you throw at it. No wonder I am keeping both! Kannan >> Hi Kannan, I don't believe Stephen made any caps mods, but my CR-7 did have the OP275 mod and the playback is incredible. Great sounding deck and it makes impeccable recordings. Looks like I'll save up for a Dragon, with a few mods of course. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 21 05:34:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:04:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: <005901c129f2$1eaf1660$42d60192@vsnl> To tell the truth - Stephen has a magic touch - I can vouch for it from the CR7 that I received without this OP 275 addition - ie he can very accurately set up Nak heads /calibration and other small things that make up the Nak sound. Incase you get a Dragon ; get it Sanktified - that is my only advice ! If only Nak had Dragon with auto calibration of recording like 1000ZXL - that would be the ultimate cassette Deck of the century. Variety is Nak' idea to fill up our shelves - otherwise we would not try to get two or three naks! Sam let me contact you by this week end with my plan for your tapes. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question >In a message dated 8/20/2001 10:24:12 PM Central Daylight Time, >kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > ><< I think that this really old Dragon sounds better because I changed the > caps / and OP275 on all Playback circuitry. Cr7 is amzing for its > transparency and Dragon for its playback on all tapes that you throw at it. > No wonder I am keeping both! > Kannan >> > >Hi Kannan, > >I don't believe Stephen made any caps mods, but my CR-7 did have the OP275 >mod and the playback is incredible. Great sounding deck and it makes >impeccable recordings. Looks like I'll save up for a Dragon, with a few mods >of course. > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 21 06:00:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:00:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX505 vs Dragon and amp question Message-ID: <91.f1a2fd5.28b336d6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/2001 10:52:33 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << To tell the truth - Stephen has a magic touch - I can vouch for it from the CR7 that I received without this OP 275 addition - ie he can very accurately set up Nak heads /calibration and other small things that make up the Nak sound. Incase you get a Dragon ; get it Sanktified - that is my only advice ! >> All I can say is that my CR-7 sounds great. And the recordings, ohhhhh so sweet. Makes ya wanna cry. (LOL) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 21 14:07:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:07:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NWOT: CDM 12 Transport Message-ID: <000d01c12a39$e9c6b1e0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen / Nakfellows, Now I understand what you meant by total garbage of Philips' CDM-12 transport. I received an older (97) Thule Spirit CD player which refuse to play (hey I'm beginning to make a career here :-), black n gold thing feels heavy ... solidly made. Pop up the cover and I see this cheesy plastic CDM 12 mechanism with cute tiny 'motor' and carriage gear / wheel made out of butter ! Is it possible to replace the mechanism with a similar but more sturdy one ? Can't believe they charge $$$ for this crap. Even the MB1s looks much better designed. Best regards, Salim SM > -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > 151. Strange. > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > the > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > unit, > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > went > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > On > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > slightly > less reflective CD-R's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:10:41 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, which I've not heard). I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the $600 used market range. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not disseminate, distribute, or copy this communication, by e-mail or otherwise, or take any action in reliance on it. Instead, please notify us immediately by return e-mail (including the original message in your reply) to help_desk at danareksa.com, and then delete and discard all copies of the e-mail. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 21 14:07:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:07:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NWOT: CDM 12 Transport Message-ID: <000c01c12a39$e17f3fc0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen / Nakfellows, Now I understand what you meant by total garbage of Philips' CDM-12 transport. I received an older (97) Thule Spirit CD player which refuse to play (hey I'm beginning to make a career here :-), black n gold thing feels heavy ... solidly made. Pop up the cover and I see this cheesy plastic CDM 12 mechanism with cute tiny 'motor' and carriage gear / wheel made out of butter ! Is it possible to replace the mechanism with a similar but more sturdy one ? Can't believe they charge $$$ for this crap. Even the MB1s looks much better designed. Best regards, Salim SM > -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > 151. Strange. > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > the > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > unit, > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > went > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > On > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > slightly > less reflective CD-R's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:10:41 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, which I've not heard). I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the $600 used market range. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not disseminate, distribute, or copy this communication, by e-mail or otherwise, or take any action in reliance on it. Instead, please notify us immediately by return e-mail (including the original message in your reply) to help_desk at danareksa.com, and then delete and discard all copies of the e-mail. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 21 20:16:06 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:16:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor failure. Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but there is no such thing as a high quality audio large value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which is *no* coupling capacitor. All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi Everyone > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > almost share one thing in common, output > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > My question is simple > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > in normal listening as compared to the modern > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of doing > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > traditional design. > Any advice is appreciated > Javier > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] NWOT: CDM 12 Transport > > Hi Stephen / Nakfellows, > > Now I understand what you meant by total garbage of Philips' CDM-12 > transport. I received an older (97) Thule Spirit CD player which refuse to > play (hey I'm beginning to make a career here :-), black n gold thing feels > heavy ... solidly made. Pop up the cover and I see this cheesy plastic CDM > 12 mechanism with cute tiny 'motor' and carriage gear / wheel made out of > butter ! > > Is it possible to replace the mechanism with a similar but more sturdy one ? > Can't believe they charge $$$ for this crap. Even the MB1s looks much > better designed. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:20:11 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my D105....here is what I found > > > > I can't recall ever seeing a KSS-152 in a Denon. Only KSS-150, 210, 240 & > > 151. Strange. > > The deal with old players being more likely to play CD-R's is that earlier > > lasers required higher light output. Earlier lasers had the photodiode > > receiver arrays at a significant length of optical pathway from the laser > > diode source, due to physically larger pick-up bodies & less optical > > component integration. So, most lasers in the first few years needed > > 0.24-0.4mW optical power output. The next generation integrated some of > > the > > optics, such as having the collimator lens built onto the laser diode > > unit, > > so the bodies got smaller & the light path shorter. So, average power > > went > > down to 0.15mW. The newest generation has made the very unwise, IMO, step > > of integrating the laser diode & the sensitive photodiode array into one, > > transistor-size device, which greatly simplified the optics, since no 90 > > degree turns were now involved, so laser power now averages 0.07-0.10mW. > > On > > these pickups(e.g., Philips CDM-12, Sharp 8147AFZZ & other cheap piece of > > shit lasers), the optical power output is often just barely what is needed > > for a normal CD, as adjusted from factory. A bit of aging, or even > > borderline original setting, and these lasers will fail to read the > > slightly > > less reflective CD-R's. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:10:41 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] sorry...off topic again...delete if want to :-) > > The only reason I can think of for NOT recommending a Nak OMS-5/7/5AII/7AII > is that 99 percent of techs, Nak techs included, don't know how to tweak > them properly. You have to use a WIDE variety of discs during > alignment/adjustment or they won't play half the CD's in the world properly. > Damn nice units when they're done right. Still, I think the CDPlayer2 & 1 > were the best sounding Nak CD's yet(excluding the elusive Dragon CD decks, > which I've not heard). > I TOTALLY disagree with Jim V. about getting the newest digital. Except > perhaps for the Sony SACD-1, virtually everything digital audio that has > come out in the last few years has been either mechanically garbage, or > electronically garbage or, in the majority of cases, totally garbage. Take > the Philips CDM-12 laser/transport unit, for instance, which is used in > many, many so-called "high end" transports & CD players. Positively the > cheapest & worst CD mechanism & laser ever made by anybody. And I cannot > name a DVD transport that is the least bit reliable, or even low in > mechanical jitter. My front end is a Pioneer CLD-95 Elite laserdisc/CD > player, into which I installed a high-grade coax digital output, feeding at > any given moment either a Museatex BiDAT or IDAT-44 dac, each with a small > amount of my own upgrades. I have yet to hear a better digital front end. > And the CLD-95 is one of the most reliable & lowest jitter transports you'll > ever find. Only transport I'd replace it with is the Philips CDM-4 based > Museatex CD-D. And the BIG plus is that the CLD-95 is a really damned good > standalone CD player, and would be one I'd highly recommend to Alex in the > $600 used market range. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm > > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL > This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential and exempt from disclosure. > If you are not the intended recipient, please do not disseminate, > distribute, or copy this communication, by e-mail or otherwise, or take any > action in reliance on it. > Instead, please notify us immediately by return e-mail (including the > original message in your reply) to help_desk at danareksa.com, and then delete > and discard all copies of the e-mail. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 21 20:54:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:54:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 at 102.50 - last day ! Message-ID: <002d01c12a72$b0fea000$41289bca@smarzuki> Needs idler & fader button ... wonder whether this is the chewed up one ? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1265420283 Sam ... this time there's no g-string involved ! :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 21 21:09:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:09:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport References: <000c01c12a39$e17f3fc0$4b289bca@smarzuki> <107c01c12a6f$306757a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003201c12a74$bc821860$41289bca@smarzuki> Quite lucky this time it's not mine !! :-) The version is 12.4, I'll try to find a replacement hard-plastic-gear locally if there's such a thing. $28 for the whole block including new pickup ? Wow .... Thule owners must've been quite rich. BTW does Dalbani carries replacement Nak / Sankyo reel motor ? (I think I need at least two). :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NWOT: CDM 12 Transport > You are stuck with the butter-geared piece of crap, I'm afraid. If you tell > me the CDM-12 version(i.e., 12.1, 12.3, etc.), which will be marked on a > side edge of the mech, I'd be happy to order one for you from our dirt cheap > USA source, Dalbani Electronics, which does not ship overseas. The most > expensive of them is $28. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 21 21:24:39 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:24:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR5 at 102.50 - last day ! Message-ID: <7b.19cb2b2e.28b40f77@aol.com> In a message dated 8/21/2001 2:02:16 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Needs idler & fader button ... wonder whether this is the chewed up one ? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1265420283 Sam ... this time there's no g-string involved ! :-) >> Thanks! I've been keeping my eye on this one. The buttons have been difficult to find though...I was top bidder on a mint CR-5 and the seller pulled it. :-( Maybe I should just hang on and save for a Dragon.(wink) Have a blessed day my friend! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 22:32:02 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:32:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's References: Message-ID: <3B82C542.F6B37F7@yahoo.com> Here are 2 links to George's board one for each side. http://63.164.201.182/javier/Stereos/bose/bose1.jpg http://63.164.201.182/javier/Stereos/bose/bose2.jpg I'll keep them there for a few weeks if my obsolete little Netserver LM can handle it. They're real big jpegs. If you can help he would really appreciate it. I can't figure it out myself. Javier mick s wrote: > > George, > > Here in Oz, the VW Golf has as an optional extra the same Bose multi-speaker > system as the Audi. > > Have you tried tried with VW for the Bose IC's that you require? > > Mick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 21 23:56:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:56:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport References: <000c01c12a39$e17f3fc0$4b289bca@smarzuki> <107c01c12a6f$306757a0$123442cf@sank1> <003201c12a74$bc821860$41289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <10d101c12a8c$307ef820$123442cf@sank1> According to my catalog, the CDM-12.4 is stocked by Dalbani. I'll confirm when I get them on the phone. If you need just stock BX/CR type Sankyo reel motors, with the idler drive, I have lots I can give you. I never throw away the ones I replace on gearmods, and most people don't ask for their old parts back. I can even put new tires on them before I give them to you. Just tell me how many you want. All I'd ask is that you pay the shipping(along with the cost of the CDM-12.4, assuming I get it for you). If you want gear drive motors(and reel tables & associated little hardware bits), then the only source is Nak, so far. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport > > Quite lucky this time it's not mine !! :-) The version is 12.4, I'll try > to find a replacement hard-plastic-gear locally if there's such a thing. > $28 for the whole block including new pickup ? Wow .... Thule owners > must've been quite rich. BTW does Dalbani carries replacement Nak / Sankyo > reel motor ? (I think I need at least two). :-( > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NWOT: CDM 12 Transport > > > > You are stuck with the butter-geared piece of crap, I'm afraid. If you > tell > > me the CDM-12 version(i.e., 12.1, 12.3, etc.), which will be marked on a > > side edge of the mech, I'd be happy to order one for you from our dirt > cheap > > USA source, Dalbani Electronics, which does not ship overseas. The most > > expensive of them is $28. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 02:41:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:41:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> Hi Ron Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying I should increase the size or the voltage of the output cap? Javier Ron wrote: > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > failure. > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > -- Ron > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > almost share one thing in common, output > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > My question is simple > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of doing > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > traditional design. > > Any advice is appreciated > > Javier > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 22 03:33:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:33:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport References: <000c01c12a39$e17f3fc0$4b289bca@smarzuki> <107c01c12a6f$306757a0$123442cf@sank1> <003201c12a74$bc821860$41289bca@smarzuki> <10d101c12a8c$307ef820$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002e01c12aaf$bd2a6480$57289bca@smarzuki> <<< Thank you very much, Stephen >>> Truly really speechless .... this Sankyo motor / equivalent is simply not available around here. I can only go back to the religious way and say ... God bless you ! Also thanks for the CA7 remote pins arrangement, it's now working cleverly with both dragon's reverse and cr's azimuth adjustment. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport > According to my catalog, the CDM-12.4 is stocked by Dalbani. I'll confirm > when I get them on the phone. > If you need just stock BX/CR type Sankyo reel motors, with the idler drive, > I have lots I can give you. I never throw away the ones I replace on > gearmods, and most people don't ask for their old parts back. I can even > put new tires on them before I give them to you. Just tell me how many you > want. All I'd ask is that you pay the shipping(along with the cost of the > CDM-12.4, assuming I get it for you). If you want gear drive motors(and > reel tables & associated little hardware bits), then the only source is Nak, > so far. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12 Transport > > > > > > Quite lucky this time it's not mine !! :-) The version is 12.4, I'll try > > to find a replacement hard-plastic-gear locally if there's such a thing. > > $28 for the whole block including new pickup ? Wow .... Thule owners > > must've been quite rich. BTW does Dalbani carries replacement Nak / > Sankyo > > reel motor ? (I think I need at least two). :-( > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 22 07:18:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:18:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco 120, which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of the low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the midrange thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B output stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > Hi Ron > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > output cap? > Javier > > > Ron wrote: > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > failure. > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > My question is simple > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of doing > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > traditional design. > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > Javier > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 08:39:08 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:39:08 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Message-ID: I would like to thank Javier, Kannan and Klaus for their support, comments, ideas, etc. I am relatively happy to share with all that the source of the problem has been positively identified as the BOSE 131354 chip, which I am now trying to locate with the invaluable help of Klaus. Of course, everyone is more than welcome to look at the scans (thanks, Javier), while they last. I have to say, through clenched teeth nevertheless, that the Bose setup in my car is complicated, near impossible to service (I still haven't located one component within the car), but sounds great (when it works properly -:). I hate every Bose home speaker I've heard so far, but I have to be honest and admit that the system in my car really sounds great. Probably the same result could be achieved in a more simple way, but I cannot be the judge of that. Thanks again to all who responded George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Javier Perez Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BOSE IC's Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:32:02 -0400 Here are 2 links to George's board one for each side. http://63.164.201.182/javier/Stereos/bose/bose1.jpg http://63.164.201.182/javier/Stereos/bose/bose2.jpg I'll keep them there for a few weeks if my obsolete little Netserver LM can handle it. They're real big jpegs. If you can help he would really appreciate it. I can't figure it out myself. Javier _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 17:57:10 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:57:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PA7 Message-ID: I am trying to get this guy to sell his PA7....the one who wanted 900 for it. What are these really worth? I need to throw some kind of price at him. Alex ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 22 18:25:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:25:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B83DCE6.EE5CB8E9@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi Ron > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > output cap? The voltage rating depends on the output stage configuration. In the case of a single supply, it normally should be at least the no load power supply voltage. In any case, the higher the better (because the higher the voltage rating of an electrolytic, the lower the ESR and tan(delta)). For best sonics, it's a good idea to shunt it as described below. -- Ron > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > failure. > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > My question is simple > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of doing > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > traditional design. > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > Javier > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Aug 22 21:29:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:29:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I remember anyone hearing it commented on the great sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a classical music listening club that met once a week, and people preferred to meet at my place, because they liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else owned tube equipment). It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, too, sound terrible? Regards, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco 120, > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of the > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the midrange > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B output > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > Hi Ron > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > output cap? > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > failure. > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > My question is simple > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > doing > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > traditional design. > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 23 03:01:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:01:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <009601c12b6f$352891e0$ae3442cf@sank1> Actually, I think the Aragons are excellently built & very good sounding amps. So, there goes that theory! There are some speakers they don't "like" though, by just a bit. I swear I remember the Dyna 120 being class B. I know for sure that the horrible SCA-80Q was class B. But, I definitely remember working on a hell of a lot of failed 120's years ago. My dad was very close friends with Dave Hafler, his partner, Ed Gately & his main engineer, Joe Norris, and I am quite good friends with Ed's Son, Chris Gately, so it ain't like I have any predisposition to dislike Dyna & Hafler stuff. Quite the opposite. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time > ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded > like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one > home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it > was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover > distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I > remember anyone hearing it commented on the great > sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a > classical music listening club that met once a week, > and people preferred to meet at my place, because they > liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else > owned tube equipment). > > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think > the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, > Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, > you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar > with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, > too, sound terrible? > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco 120, > > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of the > > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the midrange > > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B output > > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > Hi Ron > > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > > output cap? > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > > failure. > > > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > > My question is simple > > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > > doing > > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > > traditional design. > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > Javier > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 03:23:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:23:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B845B11.6088D85F@yahoo.com> Gee I wish I could afford to hate so divinely. > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > channel. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 23 03:28:50 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:28:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix References: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> <005201c12716$aaff33e0$52289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00f401c12b72$f722be80$ae3442cf@sank1> Finally remembered to bring the TD700 manual home. It's quite easy to bypass the whole tone control board. If you follow the two shielded cables from the tone board, you'll find an in-line connector, which then goes back to the plug-in amplifier PCB. Just disconnect the plug, then, either at the amp pcb or at the plug attached to it, jumper red to red & white to white. Then, just so the tone amp doesn't needlessly run, you can follow the red & green wires from the tone pcb back to another connector & unplug that one, which is the supply lines. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > ..... what can I say ? thanks in advance ? I have exactly similar loading > problem with a TD500 ... and about to give it my best shot this weekend - > hopefully it's this glue solution. But I do have another problem - the tone > pots are bad and almost impossible to find (actually the retracting one one > from td700). Stephen, is there any easy way to bypass tone board close to > the opamp ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > > > If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in > > regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, > > I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. > > Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In > this > > case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when > powered > > up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep > spinning > > continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After > doing > > a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered > > improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small > electrolytics > > that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of > capacitor > > bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms > > accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in > > under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. > > Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Aug 23 03:53:44 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:53:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> <009601c12b6f$352891e0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B846227.874ECE9A@snet.net> The Dyna 120 was actually a class A driver stage followed by class B output stage. I've owned several over the years, but lost interest in this amp when they all eventually blew with the last amp providing a most spectacular pyrotechnic display as the a driver dead shorted and caused a couple of resistors to burst into flames! There were many design flaws in terms of the amp running devices extremely close to maximum tolerances with no consideration for thermal effects in real world operating conditions. This combined with amazingly inadequate heat sinking was surely a recipe for eventual disaster. While I am very much in love with the modified Moscode 300 that I got from Stephen and followed his advice by eventually getting a Spectral pre to go with it, I will also add that The Dyna 120 is to my ears a very nice sounding amp which in its day held great favor with many reviewers and listeners. I would never call it transparent or even particularly detailed, but very musical and involving emotionally. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Actually, I think the Aragons are excellently built & very good sounding > amps. So, there goes that theory! There are some speakers they don't > "like" though, by just a bit. > I swear I remember the Dyna 120 being class B. I know for sure that the > horrible SCA-80Q was class B. But, I definitely remember working on a hell > of a lot of failed 120's years ago. My dad was very close friends with Dave > Hafler, his partner, Ed Gately & his main engineer, Joe Norris, and I am > quite good friends with Ed's Son, Chris Gately, so it ain't like I have any > predisposition to dislike Dyna & Hafler stuff. Quite the opposite. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time > > ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded > > like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one > > home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it > > was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover > > distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I > > remember anyone hearing it commented on the great > > sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a > > classical music listening club that met once a week, > > and people preferred to meet at my place, because they > > liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else > > owned tube equipment). > > > > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > > channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think > > the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, > > Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, > > you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar > > with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, > > too, sound terrible? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco > 120, > > > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of > the > > > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the > midrange > > > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B > output > > > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > > > output cap? > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > > > failure. > > > > > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > > > My question is simple > > > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > > > doing > > > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > > > traditional design. > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > Javier > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Aug 23 03:56:24 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:56:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> <009601c12b6f$352891e0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B8462C7.731896B2@snet.net> As long as I'm thinking about this, what are your feelings about the old Stereo 70. I recently resurrected the one I had in my closet for many years and while it is a far cry from an MC225, it also seems to be some pretty nice sound for cheap. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Actually, I think the Aragons are excellently built & very good sounding > amps. So, there goes that theory! There are some speakers they don't > "like" though, by just a bit. > I swear I remember the Dyna 120 being class B. I know for sure that the > horrible SCA-80Q was class B. But, I definitely remember working on a hell > of a lot of failed 120's years ago. My dad was very close friends with Dave > Hafler, his partner, Ed Gately & his main engineer, Joe Norris, and I am > quite good friends with Ed's Son, Chris Gately, so it ain't like I have any > predisposition to dislike Dyna & Hafler stuff. Quite the opposite. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time > > ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded > > like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one > > home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it > > was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover > > distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I > > remember anyone hearing it commented on the great > > sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a > > classical music listening club that met once a week, > > and people preferred to meet at my place, because they > > liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else > > owned tube equipment). > > > > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > > channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think > > the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, > > Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, > > you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar > > with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, > > too, sound terrible? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco > 120, > > > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of > the > > > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the > midrange > > > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B > output > > > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > > > output cap? > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > > > failure. > > > > > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > > > My question is simple > > > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > > > doing > > > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > > > traditional design. > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > Javier > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 23 04:07:51 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:07:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT NAD 917 question References: <00a401c125b1$46dc0cf0$9865fea9@D9569601> <057d01c125bb$7ae62620$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B846577.CE45ECBE@yahoo.com> Hi guys Sorry for the OT: but I can't figure something out and can't think of where else to ask. I've got a NAD 917 that has the AM section stepping at 9kc increments european style. I pulled the cover off to look for a jumper to switch but found none. It's a more or less standard am/fm tuner section using an LM7000, LA1266 and LA3401 chipset. There is no indication anywhere on the unit about how I might convert it over to US 10Kc operation. I looked at the following datasheets (PDF) http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/Lm/LM7000N.pdf http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA1266.pdf http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA3401.pdf and it looks like the 7000 can be setup for different stepping increments both AM and FM but frankly it's beyond me. Perhaps someone could tell me how to do this in terms of connecting resistors to pins or removing them or grounding pins or something like that. If it can be done that is. Any help is powerfully appreciated. Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 23 04:21:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:21:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> <009601c12b6f$352891e0$ae3442cf@sank1> <3B8462C7.731896B2@snet.net> Message-ID: <016201c12b7a$5bd25500$ae3442cf@sank1> Well, as long as you put nice caps on the input/driver board & replace the selenium boas rectifier with a silicon diode, and put nice tubes in it, the ST70 can be a very nice sounding amp, especially if you don't ask it to do low bass. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > As long as I'm thinking about this, what are your feelings about the old Stereo 70. I > recently resurrected the one I had in my closet for many years and while it is a far > cry from an MC225, it also seems to be some pretty nice sound for cheap. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Actually, I think the Aragons are excellently built & very good sounding > > amps. So, there goes that theory! There are some speakers they don't > > "like" though, by just a bit. > > I swear I remember the Dyna 120 being class B. I know for sure that the > > horrible SCA-80Q was class B. But, I definitely remember working on a hell > > of a lot of failed 120's years ago. My dad was very close friends with Dave > > Hafler, his partner, Ed Gately & his main engineer, Joe Norris, and I am > > quite good friends with Ed's Son, Chris Gately, so it ain't like I have any > > predisposition to dislike Dyna & Hafler stuff. Quite the opposite. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > > > > Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time > > > ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded > > > like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one > > > home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it > > > was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover > > > distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I > > > remember anyone hearing it commented on the great > > > sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a > > > classical music listening club that met once a week, > > > and people preferred to meet at my place, because they > > > liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else > > > owned tube equipment). > > > > > > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > > > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > > > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > > > channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think > > > the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, > > > Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, > > > you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar > > > with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, > > > too, sound terrible? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco > > 120, > > > > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of > > the > > > > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the > > midrange > > > > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B > > output > > > > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > > > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > > > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > > > > output cap? > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > > > > failure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > > > > My question is simple > > > > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > > > > doing > > > > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > > > > traditional design. > > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Thu Aug 23 04:44:29 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:44:29 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659A5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello everyone out there, does anyone know how good/bad the TD-250 is. I'm think of buying one second hand and thought of asking you guys/gals first. Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 23 05:22:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:22:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659A5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <018901c12b82$dd4df0a0$ae3442cf@sank1> Not great. Best to stick with the good old TD300/400/500/700/800/1200 decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 > Hello everyone out there, > > does anyone know how good/bad the TD-250 is. I'm think of buying one second hand and thought of asking you guys/gals first. > > > Regards > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 23 05:55:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:55:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT NAD 917 question Message-ID: <20010823035511.JKNI1672.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Javier, Sorry can't help much right now from the datasheets. On a nak receiver and kenwood tuner (which use almost similar ICs), there's another 'controller' chip where the stepping change is done (I was trying to make FM steps at 0.5 increments), usually located closer to display part of the unit, if you want to take another look. I'll look up the kenwood manual tonite and see the stepping switch connections. Best regards, Salim SM > Hi guys > Sorry for the OT: but I can't figure > something out and can't think of where else to ask. > I've got a NAD 917 that has the AM section stepping > at 9kc increments european style. I pulled the cover off to > look for a jumper to switch but found none. It's a > more or less standard am/fm tuner section using an > LM7000, LA1266 and LA3401 chipset. There is no > indication anywhere on the unit about how I might convert it over to US > 10Kc operation. I looked at the following datasheets (PDF) > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/Lm/LM7000N.pdf > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA1266.pdf > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA3401.pdf > > and it looks like the 7000 can be setup for different > stepping increments both AM and FM but frankly > it's beyond me. Perhaps someone could tell me how to do this > in terms of connecting resistors to pins or removing them or > grounding pins or something like that. > If it can be done that is. > > Any help is powerfully appreciated. > Javier > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From penry at nortelnetworks.com Thu Aug 23 16:47:37 2001 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: Folks, Can you tell me what a Nakamichi MR-1 is? It appears to be a professional unit. Is it good for home use? How does it compare with other Naks? Thanks! Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 23 17:36:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:36:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 References: Message-ID: <038c01c12be9$5f2f6340$ae3442cf@sank1> The MR-1 is a somewhat upgraded version of a BX300, with the addition of an external noise reduction in/out facility, and with XLR & 1/4" jack in/out connectors(and no RCA jacks). For home use, you'd need 1/4" phone plug to RCA plug cables or adaptors. The hitch with the MR-1 is that it was produced for a long time before & after the conversion of the reel drive mechanism to gear-type drive, so you'd need to know if an MR-1 your thinking of buying was either purchased well after May, 1988, or positively has the "gear upgrade" installed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Penry" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 > Folks, > Can you tell me what a Nakamichi MR-1 is? It appears to be a professional > unit. Is it good for home use? How does it compare with other Naks? > > > Thanks! > > Charles > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Aug 23 18:30:30 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:30:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <3B814D6D.B91BAA6A@yahoo.com> <3B82A566.385EE06E@concentric.net> <3B82FFC7.C987DF05@yahoo.com> <002701c12ac9$e1501700$9e3442cf@sank1> <3B84082C.D6D6E6A0@concentric.net> <009601c12b6f$352891e0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B852FA6.5BA355A1@concentric.net> I'm glad we can agree on the Aragons. I have never had occasion to look under the hood, but love their sound. As you may recall, the 120 was available in kit form. I put together several and remember that all customers were extremely happy with them. They became very popular and practically sold themselves. As I recalled, the output stage was class AB, but now that you are so sure it was class B, I pulled out a schematic (of an SCA-80Q, actually, but the output stage has the exact same configuration. was amazed I found it, after more than 20 years) and, indeed, it's class B, somewhat forward biased, so they probably drew a couple of milliamps at quiescent condition. Amazing, since I would normally consider class B fit for nothing except for public address amps. Yes, they tended to fail regularly. Usually, the output transistors blew, taking with them the drivers. No wonder, the heat-sinks were far too skimpy: L brackets made from sheet aluminum. We 'upgraded' some by replacing with thick, finned heat sinks, which made them last forever. I vaguely remember there was also some resistor that was under-rated. I drove mine with a PAT-4 and loved the sound. I returned them when I sold the business and the new owner proudly told me he was taking these units home... -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, I think the Aragons are excellently built & very good sounding > amps. So, there goes that theory! There are some speakers they don't > "like" though, by just a bit. > I swear I remember the Dyna 120 being class B. I know for sure that the > horrible SCA-80Q was class B. But, I definitely remember working on a hell > of a lot of failed 120's years ago. My dad was very close friends with Dave > Hafler, his partner, Ed Gately & his main engineer, Joe Norris, and I am > quite good friends with Ed's Son, Chris Gately, so it ain't like I have any > predisposition to dislike Dyna & Hafler stuff. Quite the opposite. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > Yes, that the one, the Dynaco 120. It was a long time > > ago, and I no longer remember exactly what it sounded > > like, but I do remember I liked it enough to take one > > home and use it for a long time. It wasn't class B, it > > was class AB (fairly deep into A, even) and crossover > > distortion wasn't, to my recollection, an issue. I > > remember anyone hearing it commented on the great > > sound -- very robust and clean. I used to belong to a > > classical music listening club that met once a week, > > and people preferred to meet at my place, because they > > liked the sound of my system best (most everyone else > > owned tube equipment). > > > > It strikes me as strange that every amp that I like, > > you hate... I currently own Mondial Aragon power amps > > -- the 8008ST dual channel and the 8008X3 triple > > channel. I think they sound great (much like what I think > > the Dynaco 120 sounded: very robust and effortless, > > Accurate and transparent, airy highs and weighty lows, > > you-are-there type sound). I wonder if you are familiar > > with them and, if so, whether you concur or think they, > > too, sound terrible? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Increase the ufd size, keep voltage same or higher. I think the Dynaco > 120, > > > which must be the Hafler Ron refers to, only sounds tolerable because of > the > > > low quality of the output cap. The high series resistance in the > midrange > > > thru treble filters a lot of the crossover distortion of the Class B > output > > > stage, I'm sure. And I think that amp sounds terrible, nevertheless. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > Yes they are definitely the safest amps out there > > > > I've never damaged a speaker DC. Are you saying > > > > I should increase the size or the voltage of the > > > > output cap? > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > An output coupling cap has a huge advantage: if one of > > > > > the output transistors blows, it probably won't take the > > > > > the speakers with it. Amps that do not have an output > > > > > coupling cap should incorporate some means of keeping > > > > > the output DC level at no more than a few millivolts, > > > > > plus a protection circuit to prevent output transistor > > > > > failure. > > > > > > > > > > Sonically: if the output cap is of very good quality > > > > > and large enough, it should not degrade the sound. > > > > > In practice, it's easy to make it large enough, but > > > > > there is no such thing as a high quality audio large > > > > > value electrolytic -- they all have appreciable series > > > > > resistance and inductance. One way to improve performance > > > > > is to shunt with a smaller electrolytic (of about 10% the > > > > > value), an even smaller electrolytic (about 1% the value) > > > > > and at least one film capacitor (two are better). Once > > > > > you do all this, they begin to approach the ideal, which > > > > > is *no* coupling capacitor. > > > > > > > > > > All this is somewhat theoretical. I used to own a Haffler > > > > > 2 x 60W amp that used output caps, yet sounded fabulous. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > I got a few early SS amps and receivers > > > > > > almost share one thing in common, output > > > > > > capacitors between the quasi comp output stage and > > > > > > the speakers. Also they all seem to have > > > > > > a centre tap on the power tranny meaning that > > > > > > I could convert to a direct coupled and even > > > > > > full compliemntary design if I wanted to. > > > > > > My question is simple > > > > > > are cap coupled output stages inherently inferior > > > > > > in normal listening as compared to the modern > > > > > > direct coupled output stages? Can an older cap coupled > > > > > > design be made to sound as good as a new one with better > > > > > > and/or bigger caps as well as more "musical" transistors > > > > > > and signal/FB caps while preserving the topology. I'm thinking of > > > doing > > > > > > the full DC full comp mod but am wondering if I > > > > > > could get away with similar results by just enhancing the > > > > > > traditional design. > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 23 19:00:36 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:00:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT NAD 917 question References: <00a401c125b1$46dc0cf0$9865fea9@D9569601> <057d01c125bb$7ae62620$123442cf@sank1> <3B846577.CE45ECBE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c12bf8$e58580a0$5d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Javier, Confirmed that both AM switching on 2 kenwood tuners are done on the 'controller' chip: CXP5016-216 and toshiba TC9147 digital tuning IC (this one similar to nak sr4 receiver). Have you spotted any other chip on your NAD ? It's a huge one, CXP is 64 pin and toshiba is 42 pin. If your tuner use similar chip probably you can use the switching layout following my manual. If not then I'll have to look inside my yamaha rxv-690 which use LM7000 + that AM switch but right now it's 'buried' on bottom of equip rack. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT NAD 917 question > Hi guys > Sorry for the OT: but I can't figure > something out and can't think of where else to ask. > I've got a NAD 917 that has the AM section stepping > at 9kc increments european style. I pulled the cover off to > look for a jumper to switch but found none. It's a > more or less standard am/fm tuner section using an > LM7000, LA1266 and LA3401 chipset. There is no > indication anywhere on the unit about how I might convert it over to US > 10Kc operation. I looked at the following datasheets (PDF) > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/Lm/LM7000N.pdf > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA1266.pdf > > http://www.nedis.nl/semidata/datasemi/La/LA3401.pdf > > and it looks like the 7000 can be setup for different > stepping increments both AM and FM but frankly > it's beyond me. Perhaps someone could tell me how to do this > in terms of connecting resistors to pins or removing them or > grounding pins or something like that. > If it can be done that is. > > Any help is powerfully appreciated. > Javier > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Aug 23 21:05:02 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:05:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MR-1 Message-ID: <7e.19b4dee1.28b6adde@aol.com> In a message dated 8/23/2001 10:37:16 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << ...MR-1 your thinking of buying was either purchased well after May, 1988, or positively has the "gear upgrade" installed...>> One other thing Charles, the MR-1 was designed for the professional market so you want to make sure of the condition of the MR-1 you are interested in purchasing. Having owned a BX-150 for 14 years now I can attest to the durability of this series. But do your best to buy one that wasn't abused and is in great shape (I've seen a few on eBay from time to time that were pristine). I pray you enjoy your Nak purchase, I am enjoying the cassette medium in a way I never have before after my CR-7 purchase. -SamTheCR-7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 23 23:28:58 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:28:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages In-Reply-To: <016201c12b7a$5bd25500$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c12c1a$9eff7c40$21ee883e@a4s1s2> Ah, but the Eico ST70 did (does) do low bass. What, I wonder, makes that amp deeper, and less "woolly" than the Dynaco. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 23 August 2001 03:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages Well, as long as you put nice caps on the input/driver board & replace the selenium boas rectifier with a silicon diode, and put nice tubes in it, the ST70 can be a very nice sounding amp, especially if you don't ask it to do low bass. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > As long as I'm thinking about this, what are your feelings about the old Stereo 70. I > recently resurrected the one I had in my closet for many years and while it is a far > cry from an MC225, it also seems to be some pretty nice sound for cheap. > > Ed > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 24 00:12:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:12:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages References: <000401c12c1a$9eff7c40$21ee883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <03f801c12c20$bcefeae0$ae3442cf@sank1> It all in the quality of the output transformers, as far as the bass response. It is said that the early Dyna 70 transformers, with cloth-jacketed wire, are better on bass than the later PVC jacketed wire version. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > Ah, but the Eico ST70 did (does) do low bass. What, I wonder, makes that > amp deeper, and less "woolly" than the Dynaco. > > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 August 2001 03:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > Well, as long as you put nice caps on the input/driver board & replace the > selenium boas rectifier with a silicon diode, and put nice tubes in it, the > ST70 can be a very nice sounding amp, especially if you don't ask it to do > low bass. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > > > > As long as I'm thinking about this, what are your feelings about the old > Stereo 70. I > > recently resurrected the one I had in my closet for many years and while > it is a far > > cry from an MC225, it also seems to be some pretty nice sound for cheap. > > > > Ed > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 24 01:12:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:12:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages In-Reply-To: <03f801c12c20$bcefeae0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000b01c12c29$0b7ff120$21ee883e@a4s1s2> I see - thanks. That, I presume, is why Eico ST amp7transformers fetch such good prices on e-Bay. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 23 August 2001 23:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages It all in the quality of the output transformers, as far as the bass response. It is said that the early Dyna 70 transformers, with cloth-jacketed wire, are better on bass than the later PVC jacketed wire version. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] WOT: CAP vs Direct coupled output stages > Ah, but the Eico ST70 did (does) do low bass. What, I wonder, makes that > amp deeper, and less "woolly" than the Dynaco. > > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 24 01:29:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:29:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC In-Reply-To: <7e.19b4dee1.28b6adde@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c12c2b$735ee7e0$21ee883e@a4s1s2> Would anyone recommend to my friend software for burning CD copies of her vinyl collection? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 24 02:48:44 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:48:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/23/2001 6:33:18 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Would anyone recommend to my friend software for burning CD copies of her vinyl collection? Graham >> Hi Graham, Is your friend looking to edit the copies or simply transfer them to her hard drive? If all she wants to do is transfer the vinyl as is I would recommend Music Match's jukebox. The free version allows for recording and encoding/decoding. And, I believe you can burn to CD using the free version also. www.musicmatch.com Also, the Adaptec Easy CD Creator is a good program, and the latest version includes an audio clean up application. (Although I believe it is for restoring MP3 fidelity). http://www.roxio.com/en/products/cdrpc.jhtml Finally, the link below is to a tutorial from Cool Edit on recording from a turntable and it may prove helpful for her: http://school.syntrillium.com/howto/howto2.htm For what it's worth, I record to cassette and then transfer the cassette to my hard drive. Just the way my PC and stereo system is situated. I've been into this lately so please let me know if I can be of any additional help. -Sam One final important tip - please inform her to make sure her hard drive has been defraged, and it's best not to have any other applications, including screen savers running while recording and burning the CD. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Fri Aug 24 05:56:53 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:56:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659AA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Stephen for the info, I will decline from buying. There was a TD1200 going on ebay for $10 US, however I asked if they had the auxiliary unit and also the 5 digit pin, they replied no to both of the questions. I imagine that sourcing an auxiliary unit would be as close to finding hens teeth. Thanks again and have a good weekend. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2001 1:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 Not great. Best to stick with the good old TD300/400/500/700/800/1200 decks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-250 > Hello everyone out there, > > does anyone know how good/bad the TD-250 is. I'm think of buying one second hand and thought of asking you guys/gals first. > > > Regards > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 24 10:52:48 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:52:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <3B8615E0.D765888E@yahoo.com> Most of the better sound cards come with software reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all except the very best sound cards can't do justice to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend I would. Javier SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/23/2001 6:33:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << Would anyone recommend to my friend software for burning CD copies of her > vinyl collection? > > Graham > >> > > Hi Graham, > > Is your friend looking to edit the copies or simply transfer them to her hard > drive? If all she wants to do is transfer the vinyl as is I would recommend > Music Match's jukebox. The free version allows for recording and > encoding/decoding. And, I believe you can burn to CD using the free version > also. > > www.musicmatch.com > > Also, the Adaptec Easy CD Creator is a good program, and the latest version > includes an audio clean up application. (Although I believe it is for > restoring MP3 fidelity). > > http://www.roxio.com/en/products/cdrpc.jhtml > > Finally, the link below is to a tutorial from Cool Edit on recording from a > turntable and it may prove helpful for her: > > http://school.syntrillium.com/howto/howto2.htm > > For what it's worth, I record to cassette and then transfer the cassette to > my hard drive. Just the way my PC and stereo system is situated. I've been > into this lately so please let me know if I can be of any additional help. > > -Sam > > One final important tip - please inform her to make sure her hard drive has > been defraged, and it's best not to have any other applications, including > screen savers running while recording and burning the CD. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au Fri Aug 24 11:07:17 2001 From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:07:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC In-Reply-To: <3B8615E0.D765888E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B86A5E0.7492.9363F2@localhost> Javier Perez wrote: > Most of the better sound cards come with software > reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > except the very best sound cards can't do justice > to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > I would. Creative's Sound Blaster Live! range, and Guillemot's higher mid-end cards deliver great sound, and are excellent value to boot. Jason ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Fri Aug 24 12:43:38 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:43:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <000c01c12c2b$735ee7e0$21ee883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001001c12c89$b69d7a40$2a36fb3e@jannis> Hi Graham, Copying vinyl and /or tapes to CD is quite a work. What you need is a turn-table connected to an amplifier which in turn is connected to the line-in of your sound card. A good sound card for this work is the rather expensive "Terratec" (The professional, German, Rolls Royce of the European sound Cards). But I don't think that the quality of the sound card is so important. Two of the best the best programs for your friend's goal are: - Steinberg's "Wave Lab" and/or "Clean" - "Sound Forge" from Sonic Foundry. Both these programs are rather expensive. This is also true for the add-ons which you might need: Steinberg's "Declicker" and "Denoiser" (Does anyone out there does possibly have a copy of any of these programs? or is it illegal to exchange these kind of things on this site?). Declicker filters possible vinyl cracks and Denoiser filters tape hiss (like Dolby). Note, however that these filters might effect your high frequencies in which case you must add some of them afterwards with one of the above mentioned programs. Now what you have to do is tape your vinyl tracks, one by one, to your hard disk using one of the above mentioned programs. Alternatively, and this is my preferable method, you can copy a complete side of your vinyl to your hard disk. But then you must use one of the programs to separate the tracks. If you don't, your cd player will see the complete side as one track and you will not be able to move to the next or to the previous track. Now you repeat the process with the next side of your vinyl and use a CD-burning program to copy the tracks to a CD. If you don't like the quality copy the original copies to another subdirectory and start applying filters until you are happy with the result. If you need any additional information about the programs or the method, please let me know. Jannis Soulantikas ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 1:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Would anyone recommend to my friend software for burning CD copies of her > vinyl collection? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Aug 24 15:40:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:40:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B86A5E0.7492.9363F2@localhost> Message-ID: <3B865949.80144065@concentric.net> Jason Antony wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Most of the better sound cards come with software > > reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > I would. > > Creative's Sound Blaster Live! range, and Guillemot's higher mid-end cards > deliver great sound, and are excellent value to boot. > > Jason For info on sound cards (and other Audio Engineering matters) take a look at: http://www.pcavtech.com/index.htm -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Fri Aug 24 18:19:07 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:19:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC In-Reply-To: <3B8615E0.D765888E@yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> At 8/24/01, you wrote: >Most of the better sound cards come with software >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all >except the very best sound cards can't do justice >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend >I would. >Javier I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for less than $30 in the OEM version. http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. _________________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 24 19:03:54 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:03:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000501c12cbe$c2438da0$7f9c42d8@idirect.com> Re: CD Burning using the PC A while back I was considering mastering all my hundreds of LPs onto CD through my computer and found an excellent article in the Toronto Star Newspaper's (where I was living at the time) "Fast Forward" section on the process. If any one would like it (It's on 5 pages with illustrations) I can scan it in for them, bear in mind, its a photocopy of a newspaper, and the first page isn't perfect but more than legible. It suggested software from the site below: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/NewShowProduct.asp?PID=460 as well as Just! audio CD mastering software (don't have a link for that except in German). Mastering through your computer from analog sources takes work no matter how you cut it. I chose to buy a HHB 800 Professional CD recorder instead (www.hhb.com or www.sweetwater.com), which I picked up on E-bay for $450 in pristine condition, and record like I was recording a tape. Hook it up like a tape deck and it's that easy to use. I originally planned to use the recorder and sell it when I was finished with it, as you can easily recover your money, but I fell in love with it and am keeping it. If you want a more funky look, the HHB 850 comes in a cool purple color, and won't match your CR-7 likely but it's not supposed to. Both units are excellent, although the 800 sells for a more. I think list is $2200, but it commonly sells for about $1400 new. The 850 is less, about $1100 if I recall. Both decks come with a whole host of professional features with all the connectors at the back, digital coax, optical, XLR for digital and analog and of course gold RCA's. And the sound is as wonderful as the source. You will never want another CD player after this, except maybe as a digital source to copy from. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Fri Aug 24 19:06:30 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:06:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000c01c12cbf$1f5f4ec0$7f9c42d8@idirect.com> Sorry, the link for HHB should be: http://www.hhb.co.uk/usa.htm Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Enjoy! -Sam High-end Sound Cards http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/story/0,23158,3325126,00.html Mid-range sound cards http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/reviews/story/0,23008,3324061,00.html How to record better CD's http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/howto/story/0,23008,3321139,00.html How to convert your LP's into MP3's http://www.techtv.com/chkpt/hp222222051701/http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/fea tures/story/0,23008,3004790,00.html Build a PC studio for under $1,000 http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 24 23:40:11 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:40:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <000c01c12c2b$735ee7e0$21ee883e@a4s1s2> <001001c12c89$b69d7a40$2a36fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <3B86C9BB.F867FCB0@earthlink.net> For those of you who are interested in burning CDs straight to vinyl, without all of degradation inherent in using a PC, I have a very interesting solution. Passion Audio Designs will be premiering of few of their first very high end products in the next few months and I expect to be one of their very few dealers. They have finalized circuit designs on their first three products and are in the final stages of the mechanical (chassis) design. Of note here, they will be manufacturing a one of a kind, very high end phono stage with available analog to digital converter. I don't have the design specifics but suffice it to say that I burned a few pieces of music in the designer's listening room (using a cheap Pioneer CD-R!!) and had a VERY hard time picking the recording from the original LP. They are also working a beautiful sounding line stage with available built in digital to analog converter and a high power hybrid power amp that uses 2A3s for driver tubes and tube rectification with a totally unique dual differential Class A output section using undisclosed output transistors (not bipolar or MOSFET). These transistors are so unique and secretive that Passion Audio Designs plans to encase the devices in epoxy so that if anyone tries to gain access, the device will be rendered unidentifiable. I haven't compared the preamps or converters to others but I have compared the amp to Blue Circle BC2, Conrad Johnson Premier 8, Pass Aleph 3 and the Manley Reference 250s and it wasn't even a contest. The Passion Audio Design is ultra transparent, clear and fast while maintaining an incredible amount of natural warmth, harmonic bloom, dynamics and openness. It is clearly one of the best amps I've ever heard and can't wait to demonstrate it to some of my customers. Jim Volpatti "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > Hi Graham, > > Copying vinyl and /or tapes to CD is quite a work. > What you need is a turn-table connected to an amplifier which in turn is > connected to the line-in of your sound card. A good sound card for this work > is the rather expensive "Terratec" (The professional, German, Rolls Royce of > the European sound Cards). But I don't think that the quality of the sound > card is so important. > Two of the best the best programs for your friend's goal are: > - Steinberg's "Wave Lab" and/or "Clean" > - "Sound Forge" from Sonic Foundry. > Both these programs are rather expensive. This is also true for the add-ons > which you might need: > Steinberg's "Declicker" and "Denoiser" > (Does anyone out there does possibly have a copy of any of these programs? > or is it illegal to exchange these kind of things on this site?). > Declicker filters possible vinyl cracks and Denoiser filters tape hiss (like > Dolby). Note, however that these filters might effect your high frequencies > in which case you must add some of them afterwards with one of the above > mentioned programs. > Now what you have to do is tape your vinyl tracks, one by one, to your hard > disk using one of the above mentioned programs. Alternatively, and this is > my preferable method, you can copy a complete side of your vinyl to your > hard disk. But then you must use one of the programs to separate the tracks. > If you don't, your cd player will see the complete side as one track and you > will not be able to move to the next or to the previous track. > Now you repeat the process with the next side of your vinyl and use a > CD-burning program to copy the tracks to > a CD. If you don't like the quality copy the original copies to another > subdirectory and start applying filters until you are happy with the result. > If you need any additional information about the programs or the method, > please let me know. > > Jannis Soulantikas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > Would anyone recommend to my friend software for burning CD copies of her > > vinyl collection? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Aug 25 02:01:34 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:01:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. Ed Marc Stager wrote: > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > >I would. > >Javier > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 05:33:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:33:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> Message-ID: <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> That's exactly the problem. Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. One solution is to run a pair of line level wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card Javier Ed Noyes wrote: > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > Ed > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > >I would. > > >Javier > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sat Aug 25 11:02:48 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:02:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> Hi Ron I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Thanks, Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > Matyas wrote: > > > > Dears tweakers, > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there to > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > (3.37 Mo) > > Enjoy, > > Best regards, Matyas > > Thanks for the link. > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > file contains several different versions of the same > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > about an error and quits). What's up? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sat Aug 25 11:29:01 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:29:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Virus?????? Message-ID: <003b01c12d48$748a4b00$4736fb3e@jannis> Hi everyone, I have been following your enlightening discussions for ages from Holland and I have had a panic reaction every time you send out a virus alarm. Now I have been accused (wrongly as far as I know) by Mark Stager for sending virus-infected files to you. I am not aware of such an indiscretion and if this is the case it is absolutely unintentional and I appologise. My updated Norton virus scanner shows no virus in my computer and I really don't know what Mark is talking about. Nevertheless please check your computers for viruses and please let me know. With friendly regards, Jannis Soulantikas ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Soulantikas To: Marc Stager Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > Hi Mark, > > I honestly do not understand what you are tolking about. > I have sent an e-mail to Graham and no files. The text at the bottom of this message beginning with "At 8/24/01, you wrote......." was not a part of my mail to Graham. My virus scanner shows no virus in my > computer and I am not the kind of guy who likes the kind of jokes you are > suggesting or the language you are using. > > With respect, > Jannis Soulantikas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Stager > To: J. Soulantikas > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:57 AM > Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > > > > YOU SCUMBAG BASTARD SON-OF-A-BITCH. > > > > WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SENDING VIRUS INFECTED FILES? > > > > FORTUNATELY I SCANNED AND DELETED IT BEFORE IT > > COULD DO ANY DAMAGE. > > > > ANY CHANCE WE COULD MEET SO I COULD BEAT THE > > LIVING CRAP OUT OF YOU? > > > > ___________________ Stager > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > >5g. This document contains information about using Sound Forge > > >on your computer.2.0 What's New in Version 4.5gSupport for > > >RealNetworks' RealMedia 7.03.0 Contacting Sonic Foundry, Inc. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Sat Aug 25 14:18:10 2001 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:18:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Virus?????? In-Reply-To: <003b01c12d48$748a4b00$4736fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010825081603.00a7c510@mail.mindspring.com> Jannis, My norton detected something in the msoobe file .I was able to auto - repair it easily enough. Stan Pickens. At 11:29 AM 8/25/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I have been following your enlightening discussions for ages from Holland >and I have had a panic reaction every time you send out a virus alarm. >Now I have been accused (wrongly as far as I know) by Mark Stager for >sending virus-infected files to you. I am not aware of such an indiscretion >and if this is the case it is absolutely unintentional and I appologise. My >updated Norton virus scanner shows no virus in my computer and I really >don't know what Mark is talking about. Nevertheless please check your >computers for viruses and please let me know. > >With friendly regards, > >Jannis Soulantikas > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: J. Soulantikas >To: Marc Stager >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:07 AM >Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I honestly do not understand what you are tolking about. > > I have sent an e-mail to Graham and no files. The text at the bottom of >this message beginning with "At 8/24/01, you wrote......." was not a part of >my mail to Graham. My virus scanner shows no virus in my > > computer and I am not the kind of guy who likes the kind of jokes you are > > suggesting or the language you are using. > > > > With respect, > > Jannis Soulantikas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Stager > > To: J. Soulantikas > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:57 AM > > Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > > > > > > > YOU SCUMBAG BASTARD SON-OF-A-BITCH. > > > > > > WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SENDING VIRUS INFECTED FILES? > > > > > > FORTUNATELY I SCANNED AND DELETED IT BEFORE IT > > > COULD DO ANY DAMAGE. > > > > > > ANY CHANCE WE COULD MEET SO I COULD BEAT THE > > > LIVING CRAP OUT OF YOU? > > > > > > ___________________ Stager > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > >5g. This document contains information about using Sound Forge > > > >on your computer.2.0 What's New in Version 4.5gSupport for > > > >RealNetworks' RealMedia 7.03.0 Contacting Sonic Foundry, Inc. > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Aug 25 14:18:32 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:18:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Virus?????? References: <003b01c12d48$748a4b00$4736fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <000901c12d60$0e9d1350$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Virus?????? No virusses found in the attachement. BTW. Sent a message to your own e-mail address. Probably you'll see what others received as an attachment. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 25 17:10:01 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:10:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> Javier brings up a good point and is one that I struggled over for quite some time. The female/designer/person in charge of what goes where has my vast array of electronics on one side of our HUGE great room and the loudspeakers on the other side. This is an app. 80' run from electronics to loudspeakers. I finally forced myself to put aside my good old Mac c-28 preamp and buy a newer mac mx-130 with balanced outputs and move the amp across the room. Before moving the amp (150 3's) I first tried a long run of speaker cable--good cable but poor sound. Second step was move the power amp across the room with a long run at line level unbalanced--poor sound. Third step was long cable balanced out to balanced in still poor sound. final and best step so far move key components: preamp, cd player power to the amp. 1 meter unbalanced cable. 4 meter/side speaker cable, incredible sound. Today I am buying a 1 m pair of balanced cable for this configuration and am hoping for the ultimate sound. Hopefully not the explosive sound from female person who hates the stack of components where they belong: in between the speakers. The moral of the story and the response to Javier: I have a great deal of real experience with long cable runs of all types/configurations and vast degradation of sound. haveaniceweekend Brian Stocker Javier Perez wrote: > That's exactly the problem. > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > One solution is to run a pair of line level > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > Javier > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > > > Ed > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > > >I would. > > > >Javier > > > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 25 17:17:04 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:17:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <3B87C170.CDDF8488@concentric.net> Jannis, I just did. I wish you better luck than I had in using EWB. I was trying to use it for schematic entry only and found that the program tends to change connection routing on its own, in a way that makes the schematic difficult to read. In addition, the library was very limited. I have access to a machine with PADS LOGIC, that is very stable and powerful. Unfortunately, it is very expensive and not in the public domain, so I cannot install it on my home computer. Do let us know how EWB works for you, -- Ron "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > Hi Ron > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > Thanks, > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there > to > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > Enjoy, > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > file contains several different versions of the same > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 25 17:32:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:32:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> IME, the best sound in a situation similar to yours (but not as extreme) was to keep the power amps close to the preamp and use long speaker cables. In this kind of situation, it is extremely important to use an adequate speaker cable (an inadequate cable will, indeed, sound very poor). The minimum impedance (not 'rated' impedance) of your speakers makes a *huge* difference in the required gauge and construction of the wire. Your final solution (all components, including speakers, close together), is indeed the best one, but where impractical to achieve, remote speakers with properly designed speaker cables are the best compromise. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Javier brings up a good point and is one that I struggled over for quite some time. The > female/designer/person in charge of what goes where has my vast array of electronics on > one side of our HUGE great room and the loudspeakers on the other side. This is an app. > 80' run from electronics to loudspeakers. I finally forced myself to put aside my good > old Mac c-28 preamp and buy a newer mac mx-130 with balanced outputs and move the amp > across the room. Before moving the amp (150 3's) I first tried a long run of speaker > cable--good cable but poor sound. Second step was move the power amp across the room with > a long run at line level unbalanced--poor sound. Third step was long cable balanced out > to balanced in still poor sound. final and best step so far move key components: preamp, > cd player power to the amp. 1 meter unbalanced cable. 4 meter/side speaker cable, > incredible sound. Today I am buying a 1 m pair of balanced cable for this configuration > and am hoping for the ultimate sound. Hopefully not the explosive sound from female > person who hates the stack of components where they belong: in between the speakers. > > The moral of the story and the response to Javier: I have a great deal of real experience > with long cable runs of all types/configurations and vast degradation of sound. > > haveaniceweekend > > Brian Stocker > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > That's exactly the problem. > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > Javier > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > > > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > > > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > > > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > > > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > > > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > > > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > > > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > > > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > > > >I would. > > > > >Javier > > > > > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Sat Aug 25 18:00:57 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:00:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B87CBB6.5ADB3302@pacbell.net> Ron, does your response apply even if one has balanced outs from the preamp, balanced ins to the amp and high quality balanced cables and hardware for the run? Two dealers to whom I have spoken say that balanced to balanced is not always better. I wonder, then, why some of the very high end components include this configuration, including Mac's newest preamp which is balanced from beginning to end? Thanks Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > IME, the best sound in a situation similar to yours (but > not as extreme) was to keep the power amps close to the > preamp and use long speaker cables. In this kind of > situation, it is extremely important to use an adequate > speaker cable (an inadequate cable will, indeed, sound > very poor). The minimum impedance (not 'rated' impedance) > of your speakers makes a *huge* difference in the required > gauge and construction of the wire. > > Your final solution (all components, including speakers, > close together), is indeed the best one, but where > impractical to achieve, remote speakers with properly > designed speaker cables are the best compromise. > > -- Ron > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > Javier brings up a good point and is one that I struggled over for quite some time. The > > female/designer/person in charge of what goes where has my vast array of electronics on > > one side of our HUGE great room and the loudspeakers on the other side. This is an app. > > 80' run from electronics to loudspeakers. I finally forced myself to put aside my good > > old Mac c-28 preamp and buy a newer mac mx-130 with balanced outputs and move the amp > > across the room. Before moving the amp (150 3's) I first tried a long run of speaker > > cable--good cable but poor sound. Second step was move the power amp across the room with > > a long run at line level unbalanced--poor sound. Third step was long cable balanced out > > to balanced in still poor sound. final and best step so far move key components: preamp, > > cd player power to the amp. 1 meter unbalanced cable. 4 meter/side speaker cable, > > incredible sound. Today I am buying a 1 m pair of balanced cable for this configuration > > and am hoping for the ultimate sound. Hopefully not the explosive sound from female > > person who hates the stack of components where they belong: in between the speakers. > > > > The moral of the story and the response to Javier: I have a great deal of real experience > > with long cable runs of all types/configurations and vast degradation of sound. > > > > haveaniceweekend > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > That's exactly the problem. > > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > > Javier > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > > > > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > > > > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > > > > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > > > > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > > > > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > > > > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > > > > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > > > > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > > > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > > > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > > > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > > > > >I would. > > > > > >Javier > > > > > > > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > > > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > > > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > > > > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Sat Aug 25 18:05:06 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:05:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Virus?????? In-Reply-To: <003b01c12d48$748a4b00$4736fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010825115640.00a86700@mail.verizon.net> Soulantikas' attachment, Msoobd,exe, did have a virus. Norton Anti virus identified it as W32.Magistr.24876 at mm Here's more about it from the Norton site: W32.Magistr.24876 at mm is a virus that has email worm capability. It is also network aware. It infects Windows Portable Executable (PE) files, with the exception of .dll system files, and sends email messages to addresses that it gathers from the Outlook/Outlook Express mail folders (.dbx, .mbx), the sent items file from Netscape, and Windows address books (.wab), which are used by mail clients such as Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Outlook Express,. The email message may have up to two attachments, and it has a randomly generated subject line and message body. NOTE: In many cases this virus will "touch" files and send them out as email attachments. Such files do not contain viral code and should be considered clean. In such cases it is safe to delete the file and it would be prudent to inform the sender that their system has been infected by the virus. Also Known As: I-Worm.Magistr, PE_MAGISTR.A, W32.Magistr at mm, W32.Magistr.24876.int, W32/Disemboweler, W32.Magistr.corrupt, W32/Magistr-A __________________________________ Marc Stager ====================================================== At 8/25/01, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I have been following your enlightening discussions for ages from Holland >and I have had a panic reaction every time you send out a virus alarm. >Now I have been accused (wrongly as far as I know) by Mark Stager for >sending virus-infected files to you. I am not aware of such an indiscretion >and if this is the case it is absolutely unintentional and I appologise. My >updated Norton virus scanner shows no virus in my computer and I really >don't know what Mark is talking about. Nevertheless please check your >computers for viruses and please let me know. > >With friendly regards, > >Jannis Soulantikas > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: J. Soulantikas >To: Marc Stager >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:07 AM >Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I honestly do not understand what you are tolking about. > > I have sent an e-mail to Graham and no files. The text at the bottom of >this message beginning with "At 8/24/01, you wrote......." was not a part of >my mail to Graham. My virus scanner shows no virus in my > > computer and I am not the kind of guy who likes the kind of jokes you are > > suggesting or the language you are using. > > > > With respect, > > Jannis Soulantikas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Stager > > To: J. Soulantikas > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:57 AM > > Subject: Re: WelcomeThank you for purchasing > > > > > > > YOU SCUMBAG BASTARD SON-OF-A-BITCH. > > > > > > WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SENDING VIRUS INFECTED FILES? > > > > > > FORTUNATELY I SCANNED AND DELETED IT BEFORE IT > > > COULD DO ANY DAMAGE. > > > > > > ANY CHANCE WE COULD MEET SO I COULD BEAT THE > > > LIVING CRAP OUT OF YOU? > > > > > > ___________________ Stager > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > >5g. This document contains information about using Sound Forge > > > >on your computer.2.0 What's New in Version 4.5gSupport for > > > >RealNetworks' RealMedia 7.03.0 Contacting Sonic Foundry, Inc. > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sat Aug 25 18:16:16 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:16:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> <3B87C170.CDDF8488@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000c01c12d81$672084a0$2036fb3e@jannis> Thanks Ron Problem though is that when I unzip the file I get an "unexpected end of archive" error. Do you get the same error message of has something gone wrong with the e-mail transmission? Someone has told me that a very good programe for the same purpose is "Orcad". Does any one has any experience with it? Greetings, Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > Jannis, I just did. I wish you better luck than I > had in using EWB. I was trying to use it for schematic > entry only and found that the program tends to change > connection routing on its own, in a way that makes the > schematic difficult to read. In addition, the library > was very limited. I have access to a machine with PADS > LOGIC, that is very stable and powerful. Unfortunately, > it is very expensive and not in the public domain, so > I cannot install it on my home computer. > > Do let us know how EWB works for you, > > -- Ron > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > > > Hi Ron > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > Thanks, > > > > Jannis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there > > to > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > > file contains several different versions of the same > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 25 19:00:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:00:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <8e.19ec6430.28b933b6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/2001 4:43:42 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Now what you have to do is tape your vinyl tracks, one by one, to your hard > disk using one of the above mentioned programs. Alternatively, and this is > my preferable method, you can copy a complete side of your vinyl to your > hard disk. But then you must use one of the programs to separate the tracks. > If you don't, your cd player will see the complete side as one track and you > will not be able to move to the next or to the previous track. > Now you repeat the process with the next side of your vinyl and use a > CD-burning program to copy the tracks to > a CD. If you don't like the quality copy the original copies to another > subdirectory and start applying filters until you are happy with the result. > If you need any additional information about the programs or the method, > please let me know. > > Jannis Soulantikas >> Hi Graham, One other alternative is to use Cool Edit (www.cooedit2000.com). I've been using it for six months now and it's a great .wav editor. And, at only $69.00, and $50.00 for the noise reduction plug-in (you'll need that to remove any background noise, and the snap, crackle and pop associated with LPs) and you're set. The quality of the final recordings will depend on your system's sound card. I have been using the sound card that came standard with my PC and in most cases the final CD's have sounded nice. I don't know how "deep" your friend is going to get, is she an audiophile with a golden ear? For most cases, this is all you need. Regardless of the program she chooses, all of them will create some digital artifacts when you begin using noise reduction. Please feel free to contact me offline if you have any specific questions. And, don't forget to check out the tutorial I forwarded to you showing the setup. Here's the link just in case: To learn more about Cool Edit 2000: http://www.syntrillium.com/cooledit Tutorial for recording LP's: http://school.syntrillium.com/howto/howto2.htm -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 25 19:05:24 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:05:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <96.192f073f.28b934d4@aol.com> In a message dated 8/24/2001 7:04:46 PM Central Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. Ed >> That's an interesting workaround Ed. I too have my PC located in a different room from my main system. I record my vinyl to tape (using my CR-7), and I have my Teac R919-X connected to my PC's sound card and transfer the recording from cassette. Although this "workaround" introduces additional hiss, I do capture the eq and bias settings from the CR-7 and the final CD copy sounds great. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 25 19:16:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:16:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << That's exactly the problem. Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. One solution is to run a pair of line level wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card Javier >> Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been contemplating that may help... 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good sound cards if your current system also needs one) 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for editing and final mastering to CD. This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? Also, if you're interested check out this link: How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Aug 25 19:35:12 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:35:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <8c.b9a993d.28b93bd0@aol.com> Another solution is to purchase a product similar to the Alesis MasterLink. You connect the MasterLink to your stereo system, and after purchasing a high-end sound card for your PC, you can record directly to the MasterLink (at 24/96MHz I might add), burn to CD-R, and then transfer the files to your PC (your high-end sound card will read and record at 24/96MHz) and then master down to the redbook standard. And whola! A clean, crisp and great sounding CD you can play anywhere. Any thoughts on this alternative? -Sam To learn more about the Alesis MasterLink, click here: http://www.alesis.com/products/ml9600/index.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 25 20:06:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:06:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> <3B87CBB6.5ADB3302@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B87E914.F2F8B1D6@concentric.net> Balanced interconnects is a somewhat different issue. The advantage is a great reduction in noise pick up and (only if the circuitry is balanced throughout) reduction in odd harmonic distortion. However, the main problem with long interconnects is cable capacitance, that balanced interconnects reduce, but by no means eliminate. Also, the problems stemming from dielectric non linearity (much discussed by purists but immaterial in 'normal' length interconnects) can become serious in such long interconnects, balanced or not In most modern home systems (that are very simple and straightforward to connect) noise pickup is not a big issue and balanced configuration is not what it's cracked up to be. In professional systems, though (with miles of snaked cables all over the place), it is. Bottom line: in most (I hesitate to state, 'all') home systems, balanced connections result in little or no benefit. With speaker cables, the main issue is wire resistance and (to a far lesser degree), cable inductance. A third, controversial (and in any case, of far lesser importance) is the famous, much maligned, skin effect. For a quality amp, speaker cable capacitance is not an issue. For 80ft length and speakers of low minimum impedance, you may find that only a very hefty cable is adequate to the task. If you care to post the specs for your speakers (minimum impedance) and speaker cable, I may be able to comment some more. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Ron, does your response apply even if one has balanced outs from the preamp, balanced ins to > the amp and high quality balanced cables and hardware for the run? Two dealers to whom I have > spoken say that balanced to balanced is not always better. I wonder, then, why some of the > very high end components include this configuration, including Mac's newest preamp which is > balanced from beginning to end? > > Thanks > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > IME, the best sound in a situation similar to yours (but > > not as extreme) was to keep the power amps close to the > > preamp and use long speaker cables. In this kind of > > situation, it is extremely important to use an adequate > > speaker cable (an inadequate cable will, indeed, sound > > very poor). The minimum impedance (not 'rated' impedance) > > of your speakers makes a *huge* difference in the required > > gauge and construction of the wire. > > > > Your final solution (all components, including speakers, > > close together), is indeed the best one, but where > > impractical to achieve, remote speakers with properly > > designed speaker cables are the best compromise. > > > > -- Ron > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > Javier brings up a good point and is one that I struggled over for quite some time. The > > > female/designer/person in charge of what goes where has my vast array of electronics on > > > one side of our HUGE great room and the loudspeakers on the other side. This is an app. > > > 80' run from electronics to loudspeakers. I finally forced myself to put aside my good > > > old Mac c-28 preamp and buy a newer mac mx-130 with balanced outputs and move the amp > > > across the room. Before moving the amp (150 3's) I first tried a long run of speaker > > > cable--good cable but poor sound. Second step was move the power amp across the room with > > > a long run at line level unbalanced--poor sound. Third step was long cable balanced out > > > to balanced in still poor sound. final and best step so far move key components: preamp, > > > cd player power to the amp. 1 meter unbalanced cable. 4 meter/side speaker cable, > > > incredible sound. Today I am buying a 1 m pair of balanced cable for this configuration > > > and am hoping for the ultimate sound. Hopefully not the explosive sound from female > > > person who hates the stack of components where they belong: in between the speakers. > > > > > > The moral of the story and the response to Javier: I have a great deal of real experience > > > with long cable runs of all types/configurations and vast degradation of sound. > > > > > > haveaniceweekend > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > That's exactly the problem. > > > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > > > > > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > > > > > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > > > > > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > > > > > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > > > > > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > > > > > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > > > > > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > > > > > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > > > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > > > > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > > > > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > > > > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > > > > > >I would. > > > > > > >Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > > > > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > > > > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 25 20:09:58 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:09:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] EWB References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> <3B87C170.CDDF8488@concentric.net> <000c01c12d81$672084a0$2036fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <3B87E9F6.2790A081@concentric.net> Let's wait for evening (in Eastern US), when traffic is lighter. I'll email it again. Please do FC between the two files, to determine whether the first one got corrupted in transmission, or if my copy is bad (I didn't have problem with it). -- Ron "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > Thanks Ron > Problem though is that when I unzip the file I get an "unexpected end of > archive" error. > Do you get the same error message of has something gone wrong with the > e-mail transmission? > Someone has told me that a very good programe for the same purpose is > "Orcad". Does any one has any experience with it? > > Greetings, > Jannis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > Jannis, I just did. I wish you better luck than I > > had in using EWB. I was trying to use it for schematic > > entry only and found that the program tends to change > > connection routing on its own, in a way that makes the > > schematic difficult to read. In addition, the library > > was very limited. I have access to a machine with PADS > > LOGIC, that is very stable and powerful. Unfortunately, > > it is very expensive and not in the public domain, so > > I cannot install it on my home computer. > > > > Do let us know how EWB works for you, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jannis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go > there > > > to > > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > > > file contains several different versions of the same > > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 25 22:18:14 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:18:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> <3B87CBB6.5ADB3302@pacbell.net> <3B87E914.F2F8B1D6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B880806.DF1CC0CA@earthlink.net> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned source and load impedance, especially when considering the use of long interconnects. Ideally, the load (input) impedance of a component should be at least 15 times the source (output) impedance of the component driving the interconnect. If it's much less than that, you can expect a lack of weight and authority in the low end. Also, very important when driving long interconnects is the power supply design. The best line stages usually have power supplies comparable to those in small amplifiers to ensure, amongst other things, that the preamp won't have any problem with long interconnects. Having said all of that, I was recently in the market for a 60' interconnect between my line stage and active crossover. I tried a number of different cables and the only one that sounded the same at 60' as it did at one meter was the Analysis Plus Silver Oval In. And it's unbalanced too. Despite the expense (well over $5000) every other cable that I tried deteriorated the sound in one way or another. Ron is correct about the theoretical advantages of balanced interconnects but theory doesn't always hold true in real world situations. Then again, a balanced interconnect doesn't cost much more than single ended. Since most of us aren't fortunate enough to be able to compare long runs of interconnects in both configurations before making a purchase, I suppose the safest way to decided would be to buy a balanced run and then use adapters to try it single ended. No real downside this way. You can always convert a balanced cable to single ended simply by using an adapter. Converting from single ended requires a cable with three conductors and the need to resolder new connectors. I wish I had thought of this before I purchased mine. I could have had the best of both worlds by simply using a few adapters. By the way, a single ended configuration of a balanced cable should sound exactly the same as the balanced version. The difference comes from the fact that some equipment simply sounds better when used single ended. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Balanced interconnects is a somewhat different issue. > The advantage is a great reduction in noise pick up > and (only if the circuitry is balanced throughout) > reduction in odd harmonic distortion. However, the > main problem with long interconnects is cable > capacitance, that balanced interconnects reduce, but > by no means eliminate. Also, the problems stemming > from dielectric non linearity (much discussed by > purists but immaterial in 'normal' length > interconnects) can become serious in such long > interconnects, balanced or not > > In most modern home systems (that are very simple > and straightforward to connect) noise pickup is not > a big issue and balanced configuration is not > what it's cracked up to be. In professional systems, > though (with miles of snaked cables all over the > place), it is. Bottom line: in most (I hesitate > to state, 'all') home systems, balanced connections > result in little or no benefit. > > With speaker cables, the main issue is wire > resistance and (to a far lesser degree), cable > inductance. A third, controversial (and in any case, > of far lesser importance) is the famous, much > maligned, skin effect. For a quality amp, speaker > cable capacitance is not an issue. For 80ft length > and speakers of low minimum impedance, you may find > that only a very hefty cable is adequate to the task. > > If you care to post the specs for your speakers (minimum > impedance) and speaker cable, I may be able to comment > some more. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Aug 25 22:27:21 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:27:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > summarex at yahoo.com writes: > > << That's exactly the problem. > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > One solution is to run a pair of line level > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > Javier > >> > > Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been > contemplating that may help... > > 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones > computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte > hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for > less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this > application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. > > 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the > recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good > sound cards if your current system also needs one) > > 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending > on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then > connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a > hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your > stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for > editing and final mastering to CD. > > This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? > Also, if you're interested check out this link: > > How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 > http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 22:43:17 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:43:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WD40 as contact cleaner References: <8e.19ec6430.28b933b6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B880DE5.809BE33C@yahoo.com> Hey guys I'm posting to the hhscott and Nakamichi group in the hope of getting as much feedbvack as possible. A few days ago I ran out of degreaser and tuner cleaner. Today an old Scott receiver came in the mail. The knobs and push buttons were scratchy and unusable. Since it's an inexpensive piece I decided to do an experiment. I used spray on WD40 instead of tuner cleaner or degreaser. It worked great! It leaves almost no residue and everything works smoothly afterwards. I was wondering if anyone else had tried this and whether there are any known drawbacks. Can it colour the signal path with high resolution equipment? Does the fix last as long as dedicated contact cleqaner? Any ideas??? Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 22:46:00 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:46:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3B880E88.9F4FE272@yahoo.com> I guess another one of my brilliant schemes has just gone to pot! britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > Javier brings up a good point and is one that I struggled over for quite some time. The > female/designer/person in charge of what goes where has my vast array of electronics on > one side of our HUGE great room and the loudspeakers on the other side. This is an app. > 80' run from electronics to loudspeakers. I finally forced myself to put aside my good > old Mac c-28 preamp and buy a newer mac mx-130 with balanced outputs and move the amp > across the room. Before moving the amp (150 3's) I first tried a long run of speaker > cable--good cable but poor sound. Second step was move the power amp across the room with > a long run at line level unbalanced--poor sound. Third step was long cable balanced out > to balanced in still poor sound. final and best step so far move key components: preamp, > cd player power to the amp. 1 meter unbalanced cable. 4 meter/side speaker cable, > incredible sound. Today I am buying a 1 m pair of balanced cable for this configuration > and am hoping for the ultimate sound. Hopefully not the explosive sound from female > person who hates the stack of components where they belong: in between the speakers. > > The moral of the story and the response to Javier: I have a great deal of real experience > with long cable runs of all types/configurations and vast degradation of sound. > > haveaniceweekend > > Brian Stocker > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > That's exactly the problem. > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > Javier > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > Just to throw in my two cents... I found that mastering CD's from vinyl on the > > > computer was fairly cumbersome simply due to the need to have a good table connected > > > to a stereo near the computer (same for your Nak if you're transferring tapes). My > > > best gear is in the main system and the computer is in the office where the system is > > > good, but not the same... Dual vs VPI for the table! Ultimately, my solution was to > > > run a Benchmark 20 bit resolution A to D converter to my stand alone CD recorder and > > > mark the tracks on the fly. In those rare instances where I've felt the need to edit > > > or clean up things I can take the disk and copy it onto my hard disk to work on. Nice > > > thing is that I've still got the original "unretouched" version. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > At 8/24/01, you wrote: > > > > >Most of the better sound cards come with software > > > > >reqd for cd burning. But be careful as almost all > > > > >except the very best sound cards can't do justice > > > > >to vinyl. Now if I only knew which card to recomend > > > > >I would. > > > > >Javier > > > > > > > > I had been looking into this, myself. Turtle Beach > > > > Montego II has some nice specs and can be had for > > > > less than $30 in the OEM version. > > > > > > > > http://www.voyetra-turtle-beach.com/site/products/montego2/ > > > > > > > > The Sound Blaster Live also looks good. > > > > > > > > _________________________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 25 22:59:57 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Orcad In-Reply-To: <000c01c12d81$672084a0$2036fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <20010825205957.4055.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> I use Orcad to create schematics at work all the time. It's not the most robust problem (prone to crashing) so I save often. I find it far easier to use then Pads, but, then I only tried Pads to an hour and got nowhere. A co-worker uses Protel for schematic capture and PCB layout. He likes it, but, I find the schematics look funny. Not to my liking. Just my 2 cents. SJ --- "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > Thanks Ron > Problem though is that when I unzip the file I get > an "unexpected end of > archive" error. > Do you get the same error message of has something > gone wrong with the > e-mail transmission? > Someone has told me that a very good programe for > the same purpose is > "Orcad". Does any one has any experience with it? > > Greetings, > Jannis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > Jannis, I just did. I wish you better luck than I > > had in using EWB. I was trying to use it for > schematic > > entry only and found that the program tends to > change > > connection routing on its own, in a way that makes > the > > schematic difficult to read. In addition, the > library > > was very limited. I have access to a machine with > PADS > > LOGIC, that is very stable and powerful. > Unfortunately, > > it is very expensive and not in the public domain, > so > > I cannot install it on my home computer. > > > > Do let us know how EWB works for you, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no > longer there. > > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jannis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit > simulation software, go > there > > > to > > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? > The .ZIP > > > > file contains several different versions of > the same > > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 > default.lib). > > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, > complains > > > > about an error and quits). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Aug 25 23:09:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:09:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> <3B87CBB6.5ADB3302@pacbell.net> <3B87E914.F2F8B1D6@concentric.net> <3B880806.DF1CC0CA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B88141E.D1C1032F@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > [...] > Ron is correct about the theoretical advantages of balanced > interconnects but theory doesn't always hold true in real world > situations. Jim, Just a comment to express my strong disagreement with the above. If theory does not work in the real world, it is either incorrect, or misapplied. IOW, if 2 + 2 = 4 in the lab, it also applies in the real world. The same holds for *everything* we discussed here. The only caveat is that we are not writing a book in physics here, and by necessity, are not as rigorous as we'd be if we were. What I posted about balanced interconnects is true in *any* situation. There's more to it, that's true, but as it stands, it *is* correct. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Aug 26 00:05:49 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:05:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B88213D.DFE51AD0@concentric.net> Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, with the PC providing better flexibility, depending on the exact S/W utilized. For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), you will have a combination that beats any home CD recorder, period. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > > summarex at yahoo.com writes: > > > > << That's exactly the problem. > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > Javier > > >> > > > > Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been > > contemplating that may help... > > > > 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones > > computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte > > hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for > > less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this > > application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. > > > > 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the > > recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good > > sound cards if your current system also needs one) > > > > 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending > > on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then > > connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a > > hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your > > stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for > > editing and final mastering to CD. > > > > This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? > > Also, if you're interested check out this link: > > > > How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 > > http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Aug 26 01:29:56 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:29:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Orcad References: <20010825205957.4055.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c12dbd$f6149f20$453dfb3e@jannis> Thanks Scot, If I am not mistaken I have an old (MsDos) version of Orcad somewhere but don't know how to work with it. Is there a cheap way of getting the windows version? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orcad > I use Orcad to create schematics at work all the time. > It's not the most robust problem (prone to crashing) > so I save often. I find it far easier to use then > Pads, but, then I only tried Pads to an hour and got > nowhere. A co-worker uses Protel for schematic > capture and PCB layout. He likes it, but, I find the > schematics look funny. Not to my liking. > > Just my 2 cents. > > SJ > --- "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > Thanks Ron > > Problem though is that when I unzip the file I get > > an "unexpected end of > > archive" error. > > Do you get the same error message of has something > > gone wrong with the > > e-mail transmission? > > Someone has told me that a very good programe for > > the same purpose is > > "Orcad". Does any one has any experience with it? > > > > Greetings, > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > > > > Jannis, I just did. I wish you better luck than I > > > had in using EWB. I was trying to use it for > > schematic > > > entry only and found that the program tends to > > change > > > connection routing on its own, in a way that makes > > the > > > schematic difficult to read. In addition, the > > library > > > was very limited. I have access to a machine with > > PADS > > > LOGIC, that is very stable and powerful. > > Unfortunately, > > > it is very expensive and not in the public domain, > > so > > > I cannot install it on my home computer. > > > > > > Do let us know how EWB works for you, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no > > longer there. > > > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jannis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ron > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit > > simulation software, go > > there > > > > to > > > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? > > The .ZIP > > > > > file contains several different versions of > > the same > > > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 > > default.lib). > > > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, > > complains > > > > > about an error and quits). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 01:37:54 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:37:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010824121343.00a85730@mail.verizon.net> <3B86EADD.89F51ECF@snet.net> <3B871C91.55FBF7CC@yahoo.com> <3B87BFC7.98482CA2@pacbell.net> <3B87C522.91F1796B@concentric.net> <3B87CBB6.5ADB3302@pacbell.net> <3B87E914.F2F8B1D6@concentric.net> <3B880806.DF1CC0CA@earthlink.net> <3B88141E.D1C1032F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B8836D2.6FD9F886@earthlink.net> Let me clarify, Ron. The advantages of balanced interconnects are real but not always audible. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > [...] > > Ron is correct about the theoretical advantages of balanced > > interconnects but theory doesn't always hold true in real world > > situations. > > Jim, Just a comment to express my strong disagreement > with the above. If theory does not work in the real > world, it is either incorrect, or misapplied. IOW, if > 2 + 2 = 4 in the lab, it also applies in the real world. > The same holds for *everything* we discussed here. The > only caveat is that we are not writing a book in physics > here, and by necessity, are not as rigorous as we'd be > if we were. > > What I posted about balanced interconnects is true in > *any* situation. There's more to it, that's true, but as > it stands, it *is* correct. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 01:41:32 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:41:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> <3B88213D.DFE51AD0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B8837AC.F727999A@earthlink.net> I suppose I should have clarified. Typical home PC sound card vs. typical home CD recorder. Just looking for some rough generalizations here. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > on the exact S/W utilized. > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > recorder, period. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > summarex at yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > << That's exactly the problem. > > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > > Javier > > > >> > > > > > > Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been > > > contemplating that may help... > > > > > > 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones > > > computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte > > > hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for > > > less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this > > > application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. > > > > > > 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the > > > recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good > > > sound cards if your current system also needs one) > > > > > > 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending > > > on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then > > > connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a > > > hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your > > > stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for > > > editing and final mastering to CD. > > > > > > This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? > > > Also, if you're interested check out this link: > > > > > > How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 > > > http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Aug 26 02:34:50 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:34:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> <3B88213D.DFE51AD0@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3B88442A.794E6537@yahoo.com> I'm not sure about the arguments for or against balanced inputs. I do know that McIntosh got rid of them on the late model 130s which were 5.1 ready. I have no idea if it had anything to do with the desirability of the inputs or some other consideration. Javier Ron wrote: > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > on the exact S/W utilized. > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > recorder, period. > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > summarex at yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > << That's exactly the problem. > > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > > Javier > > > >> > > > > > > Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been > > > contemplating that may help... > > > > > > 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones > > > computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte > > > hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for > > > less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this > > > application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. > > > > > > 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the > > > recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good > > > sound cards if your current system also needs one) > > > > > > 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending > > > on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then > > > connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a > > > hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your > > > stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for > > > editing and final mastering to CD. > > > > > > This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? > > > Also, if you're interested check out this link: > > > > > > How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 > > > http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 02:37:50 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:37:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the Phillips box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not familiar without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I don't use that term lightly. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 03:01:08 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:01:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. Thanks, Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Hi Jim, > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the Phillips > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not familiar > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I don't > use that term lightly. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 03:22:18 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:22:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <070401c12dcd$8cf38640$ae3442cf@sank1> Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Hi Sam, > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the Phillips > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not familiar > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I don't > > use that term lightly. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 03:21:20 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:21:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B884F10.4EBE7FA2@earthlink.net> Sam, I'll also curious what music was recorded on to the CD. Thanks, Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the Phillips > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not familiar > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I don't > > use that term lightly. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 03:23:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:23:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <1e.1a2448c7.28b9a9ae@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam, Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. Thanks, Jim Volpatti >> Hey Jim, I'll ask them, I was very surprised at the final outcome. I also prefer the analogue signal to the digital signal, so when I complement a digital recording it's something special. One thing I've learned is that even in the digital realm you're only as good as your source. And maybe the source material was very produced and therefore the copy simply transferred those sonic qualities. But I'll ask. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 03:26:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:26:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <125.3bed222.28b9aa60@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. >> Wow, even their new SACD player? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 03:28:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:28:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <11e.3b90b23.28b9aab9@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Sam, I'll also curious what music was recorded on to the CD. Thanks, Jim Volpatti >> Hi Jim, It was pop music. And over the years I've learned that pop and dance music are the worse for testing equipment as there is so much going on in the music. Not like classical or jazz. Nonetheless, the recording was quite nice. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 03:50:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:50:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <125.3bed222.28b9aa60@aol.com> Message-ID: <071601c12dd1$79aed400$ae3442cf@sank1> Especially not their new SACD player(saying "Philips" includes anything labeled "Marantz" in the last ten or so years). I have seen nothing but pure crap from that company in the last five or more years(and before that, only their cd transports were good, i.e., CDM-9 & before). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > >> > > Wow, even their new SACD player? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Aug 26 03:51:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:51:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <13f.5c834e.28b9b005@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:49:52 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Especially not their new SACD player (saying "Philips" includes anything labeled "Marantz" in the last ten or so years). I have seen nothing but pure crap from that company in the last five or more years (and before that, only their cd transports were good, i.e., CDM-9 & before). >> That's interesting as they, along with Sony (I believe) are the front runners out of the gate with a SACD player? Yes, no? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 04:13:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:13:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <13f.5c834e.28b9b005@aol.com> Message-ID: <073901c12dd4$b2d05940$ae3442cf@sank1> Sony was the originator & first out with SACD(with help from Ed Meitner). Philips came out with one much later. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > In a message dated 8/25/2001 8:49:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Especially not their new SACD player (saying "Philips" includes anything > labeled "Marantz" in the last ten or so years). I have seen nothing but > pure crap from that company in the last five or more years (and before that, > only their cd transports were good, i.e., CDM-9 & before). >> > > That's interesting as they, along with Sony (I believe) are the front runners > out of the gate with a SACD player? Yes, no? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sun Aug 26 04:15:40 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:15:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "Hacking" your DVD Player References: <13f.5c834e.28b9b005@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c12dd5$028a8140$ae9c42d8@idirect.com> Thought this might interest some of our international members who have problems with DVD players that will not allow them to view DVD's from other regions of the world. (I presume this is because movies that are released on DVD in North America are still running in the movie houses in other parts of the world. One of the reasons for different VHS formats; NTSC - PAL - SECAM) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268451940 Ad reads: "There are many players available on the market which, with a little help from some simple easy to follow methods, can be altered without so much as opening the lid and invalidating the warranty, to become multi-region. For those who don't quite understand the jargon, this means you will be able to play discs purchased from any region of the world!!! Choice is good, and if you have one of the players listed below or any of the others that I have the unlock codes for, you are legally entitled to alter the settings of your DVD machine. After applying the correct 'multi-region hack', you are then perfectly entitled to import discs from other countries and enjoy them in the comfort of your own home. I have this information........... For a FIXED PRICE of ONLY £1.50, I will send you the unlock code for your DVD player ........You can hack your DVD player using nothing more that the remote control or the control panel, if you know the right unlock codes.......... I can't promise to the code for every DVD player BUT if I can't give you the unlock code then you pay nothing.........You can't go wrong!!!! NO NEED TO BID!! Just contact me by e-mail to check I have your code and arrange payment. Once I receive the payment the unlock code is e-mailed to you......... Payment is by cash, cheque or postal order ONLY in Pounds Sterling. No postage to pay for the codes, because I will e-mail them to you as soon as I receive your payment!!!! Thanks for looking...................... Here's a list of SOME of the known Players that can be hacked, if you don't see yours just e-mail me and I will check if I have it: Afreey LD-2020, Afreey LD-2060, Aiwa XR-DV370KN, Akai DV-P1000, Akai DV-P2000, Apex AD-600A, Arcam DV88, Ariston DVD-2000, Bush DVD-102, Bush DVD-2002, Cyberhome AD-N 212, Daewoo DQD200 / DHC2200, Dual DVD-810, Encore DV-450, Genica Kalua GN-800, Goodmans GDVD124, Gradiente DVD-5000, Grundig GDV-130, Grundig GDV-200, Grundig GDV-210, Grundig GDV-211a, Harman/Kardon DVD 1, Harman/Kardon DVD 10, Hitachi DV-P305e, Himage DVD-2290, Hitachi DV-P505, Hyundai HDV-2000, JMB DVD-3000, JVC XV-2000, Lasonic DVD-2000, Lasonic DVD-8500, Lecson DVD-900, LG DVD-3000, LG DVD-3200, LG DVD-3350E, Limit JDV300A, Logix DVD-3000, Luxman DVD-100, Malaga SE1210, Manhattan DVD-2000, Maplin SMC 330-S, Maplin SMC MK1, Maplin SMC MK2, Marantz DVD-890, Matsui DVD-110, Medion MD-7888, Medion MD-7950A, Mico A980 Minato G-1, Monyka DVD-8200, Nakamichi Soundspace 10, Nakamichi Soundspace 11, Nakamichi Soundspace 21, Nintaus DVD-N9901, Orion DVD-2000, Oritron Diamond DVD-200, Philips DVD-170 Pro, Philips DVD-700 Philips DVD-701, Philips DVD-710, Philips DVD-711, Philips DVD-730, Philips DVD-750, Philips DVD-825 Philips DVD-930, Philips DVD-935, Philips DVD-950, Philips DVD-956, Proline DVD-1000, Proline DVD-2000, Proson DVD-2000, Raite AV-711, Raite AV-713, Raite AV-715, Sampo DVD-520, Sampo DVD-560 Sampo DVD-620, Samsung DVD-511, Samsung DVD-611, Samsung DVD-707, Samsung DVD-807, Samsung DVD-809 Samsung DVD-811, Samsung DVD-907, Samsung DVD-909, Scan SC-2000, Schneider DVD-511, Schneider DVD-810, Shinco DVD-180, Shinco DVD-2120, Shinco DVD-8320, Tatung TDV-2000, Tevion DVD-200, Thomson DTH-3300, Thomson DTH-3600, Thomson DTH-4000, Thomson DTH-4200, Thomson DTH-4500, Wharfedale DVD-750 Wharfedale DVD-750s, Wharfedale M5, X-Wave LB900 Thanks for looking." ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Aug 26 04:39:09 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:39:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3B88614C.2832CABB@snet.net> I would have to say that even as a stand alone unit all by itself, my old Philips 780 actually produced some very fine sounding disks although I had always noticed a slightly "mechanical" quality, especially when transferring good original masters made in the field with my trusty Sony D-5 or Nak 550. Of course all of this changed when I added a benchmark 20 bit outboard A to D to the mix with the result about as good as I've heard digital get, albeit still digital. Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hi Sam, > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the Phillips > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not familiar > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I don't > > use that term lightly. > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Aug 26 04:43:28 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:43:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> <070401c12dcd$8cf38640$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B88624F.AEF7801D@snet.net> With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself and only intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I have found the recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with it... even though I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music ones when recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself as it was purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > Hi Sam, > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has > anyone > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the > Phillips > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not > familiar > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I > don't > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Aug 26 04:53:03 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:53:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Hacking" your DVD Player Message-ID: <20010825.225304.-349847.0.josephj69@juno.com> Most of this information (especially for the Apex, Sampo, and GE units) is readily available on the web for absolutely free. Just go to the Google search engine and search on "region free" and the manufacturer of your player and you should find what you need. Don't forget Google's newsgroups page too. - Joe On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:15:40 -0700 "Roland Alford" writes: > Thought this might interest some of our international members who have > problems with DVD players that will not allow them to view DVD's > from other > regions of the world. (I presume this is because movies that are > released > on DVD in North America are still running in the movie houses in > other parts > of the world. One of the reasons for different VHS formats; NTSC - > PAL - > SECAM) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268451940 > > Ad reads: > > "There are many players available on the market which, with a little > help > from some simple easy to follow methods, can be altered without so > much as > opening the lid and invalidating the warranty, to become > multi-region. For > those who don't quite understand the jargon, this means you will be > able to > play discs purchased from any region of the world!!! Choice is good, > and if > you have one of the players listed below or any of the others that I > have > the unlock codes for, you are legally entitled to alter the settings > of your > DVD machine. After applying the correct 'multi-region hack', you are > then > perfectly entitled to import discs from other countries and enjoy > them in > the comfort of your own home. I have this information........... For > a FIXED > PRICE of ONLY �1.50, I will send you the unlock code for your DVD > player > ........You can hack your DVD player using nothing more that the > remote > control or the control panel, if you know the right unlock > codes.......... I > can't promise to the code for every DVD player BUT if I can't give > you the > unlock code then you pay nothing.........You can't go wrong!!!! NO > NEED TO > BID!! Just contact me by e-mail to check I have your code and arrange > payment. Once I receive the payment the unlock code is e-mailed to > you......... Payment is by cash, cheque or postal order ONLY in > Pounds > Sterling. No postage to pay for the codes, because I will e-mail > them to you > as soon as I receive your payment!!!! Thanks for > looking...................... Here's a list of SOME of the known > Players > that can be hacked, if you don't see yours just e-mail me and I will > check > if I have it: Afreey LD-2020, Afreey LD-2060, Aiwa XR-DV370KN, Akai > DV-P1000, Akai DV-P2000, Apex AD-600A, Arcam DV88, Ariston DVD-2000, > Bush > DVD-102, Bush DVD-2002, Cyberhome AD-N 212, Daewoo DQD200 / DHC2200, > Dual > DVD-810, Encore DV-450, Genica Kalua GN-800, Goodmans GDVD124, > Gradiente > DVD-5000, Grundig GDV-130, Grundig GDV-200, Grundig GDV-210, Grundig > GDV-211a, Harman/Kardon DVD 1, Harman/Kardon DVD 10, Hitachi > DV-P305e, > Himage DVD-2290, Hitachi DV-P505, Hyundai HDV-2000, JMB DVD-3000, JVC > XV-2000, Lasonic DVD-2000, Lasonic DVD-8500, Lecson DVD-900, LG > DVD-3000, LG > DVD-3200, LG DVD-3350E, Limit JDV300A, Logix DVD-3000, Luxman > DVD-100, > Malaga SE1210, Manhattan DVD-2000, Maplin SMC 330-S, Maplin SMC MK1, > Maplin > SMC MK2, Marantz DVD-890, Matsui DVD-110, Medion MD-7888, Medion > MD-7950A, > Mico A980 Minato G-1, Monyka DVD-8200, Nakamichi Soundspace 10, > Nakamichi > Soundspace 11, Nakamichi Soundspace 21, Nintaus DVD-N9901, Orion > DVD-2000, > Oritron Diamond DVD-200, Philips DVD-170 Pro, Philips DVD-700 Philips > DVD-701, Philips DVD-710, Philips DVD-711, Philips DVD-730, Philips > DVD-750, > Philips DVD-825 Philips DVD-930, Philips DVD-935, Philips DVD-950, > Philips > DVD-956, Proline DVD-1000, Proline DVD-2000, Proson DVD-2000, Raite > AV-711, > Raite AV-713, Raite AV-715, Sampo DVD-520, Sampo DVD-560 Sampo > DVD-620, > Samsung DVD-511, Samsung DVD-611, Samsung DVD-707, Samsung DVD-807, > Samsung > DVD-809 Samsung DVD-811, Samsung DVD-907, Samsung DVD-909, Scan > SC-2000, > Schneider DVD-511, Schneider DVD-810, Shinco DVD-180, Shinco > DVD-2120, > Shinco DVD-8320, Tatung TDV-2000, Tevion DVD-200, Thomson DTH-3300, > Thomson > DTH-3600, Thomson DTH-4000, Thomson DTH-4200, Thomson DTH-4500, > Wharfedale > DVD-750 Wharfedale DVD-750s, Wharfedale M5, X-Wave LB900 Thanks for > looking." > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 05:01:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B884A54.190B89BE@earthlink.net> <070401c12dcd$8cf38640$ae3442cf@sank1> <3B88624F.AEF7801D@snet.net> Message-ID: <076e01c12ddb$78980140$ae3442cf@sank1> Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're supposed to.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself and only > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I have found the > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with it... even though > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music ones when > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself as it was > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has > > anyone > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using the > > Phillips > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not > > familiar > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is the one > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And I > > don't > > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Aug 26 08:18:27 2001 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 06:18:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of stability, performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What about Sony? >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 > >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're supposed >to.=) > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ed Noyes" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself >and >only > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I have >found the > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with it... >even though > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music >ones >when > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself as >it >was > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far >as >you > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a >unit, > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of >digital > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the >model > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has > > > anyone > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses >though >a > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure >neither > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the >source. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using >the > > > Phillips > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not > > > familiar > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is >the >one > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And >I > > > don't > > > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 09:19:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:19:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <079601c12dff$77f5ea80$ae3442cf@sank1> The only good transport(talking about CD, not CD-R/RW) I have seen made in the last few years is one that JVC made for the Krell KPS-25. And I'd still rather have an old Philips CDM-4-based unit(specifically the Museatex, of course) or my Pioneer CLD-95 LD/CD unit, by far. Haven't seen a DVD/CD transport yet that can touch these, either. Don't know a damn thing about CD-R/RW transports. Just know that I wouldn't trust Philips to make a decent one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of stability, > performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What about > Sony? > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 > > > >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're supposed > >to.=) > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ed Noyes" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself > >and > >only > > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I have > >found the > > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with it... > >even though > > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music > >ones > >when > > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself as > >it > >was > > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far > >as > >you > > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a > >unit, > > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of > >digital > > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the > >model > > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has > > > > anyone > > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses > >though > >a > > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure > >neither > > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the > >source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using > >the > > > > Phillips > > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am not > > > > familiar > > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is > >the > >one > > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. And > >I > > > > don't > > > > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun Aug 26 09:57:46 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:57:46 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: Maybe I am the lucky owner of one of the exceptions - I've had a Philips CD-850 MkII player for over seven years now and it plays "anything you throw at it" better than any unit up to at least five times its new price (400$). Maybe you're talking about recent product lines ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:22:18 -0600 Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Hi Sam, > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > Thanks, > > Jim Volpatti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 10:16:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 02:16:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <07c601c12e07$796e3900$ae3442cf@sank1> I believe the CD-850 is a CDM-9 or 9Pro based unit, which is the last good transport they made. Certainly isn't the "plague upon humanity" CDM-12 piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Maybe I am the lucky owner of one of the exceptions - I've had a Philips > CD-850 MkII player for over seven years now and it plays "anything you throw > at it" better than any unit up to at least five times its new price (400$). > Maybe you're talking about recent product lines ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:22:18 -0600 > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far as you > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a unit, > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of digital > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the model > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Aug 26 10:20:55 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:20:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <079601c12dff$77f5ea80$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006901c12e08$1e8a9820$4136fb3e@jannis> Stephen, if you are reffering to the cast iron, swing arm used in the Philips CD-304 (among others) I must agree with you. Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > The only good transport(talking about CD, not CD-R/RW) I have seen made in > the last few years is one that JVC made for the Krell KPS-25. And I'd still > rather have an old Philips CDM-4-based unit(specifically the Museatex, of > course) or my Pioneer CLD-95 LD/CD unit, by far. Haven't seen a DVD/CD > transport yet that can touch these, either. Don't know a damn thing about > CD-R/RW transports. Just know that I wouldn't trust Philips to make a > decent one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of > stability, > > performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What > about > > Sony? > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 > > > > > >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're > supposed > > >to.=) > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Ed Noyes" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself > > >and > > >only > > > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I > have > > >found the > > > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with > it... > > >even though > > > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music > > >ones > > >when > > > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself > as > > >it > > >was > > > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far > > >as > > >you > > > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a > > >unit, > > > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of > > >digital > > > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the > > >model > > > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. > Has > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses > > >though > > >a > > > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure > > >neither > > > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the > > >source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using > > >the > > > > > Phillips > > > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am > not > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is > > >the > > >one > > > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. > And > > >I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > >Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > >Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > >resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 10:38:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 02:38:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <079601c12dff$77f5ea80$ae3442cf@sank1> <006901c12e08$1e8a9820$4136fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <07d401c12e0a$6aa2f660$ae3442cf@sank1> Correct, Jannis, although I think you're referring more specifically to the CDM-2 transport, which was the original & most robustly built "swing arm" radial tracking transport mech. CDM-9/9Pro was the last radial tracker, which was way more slightly built, but still excellent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Stephen, if you are reffering to the cast iron, swing arm used in the > Philips CD-304 (among others) I must agree with you. > > Jannis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > The only good transport(talking about CD, not CD-R/RW) I have seen made in > > the last few years is one that JVC made for the Krell KPS-25. And I'd > still > > rather have an old Philips CDM-4-based unit(specifically the Museatex, of > > course) or my Pioneer CLD-95 LD/CD unit, by far. Haven't seen a DVD/CD > > transport yet that can touch these, either. Don't know a damn thing about > > CD-R/RW transports. Just know that I wouldn't trust Philips to make a > > decent one. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of > > stability, > > > performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What > > about > > > Sony? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're > > supposed > > > >to.=) > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Ed Noyes" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing > myself > > > >and > > > >only > > > > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I > > have > > > >found the > > > > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with > > it... > > > >even though > > > > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of > music > > > >ones > > > >when > > > > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself > > as > > > >it > > > >was > > > > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as > far > > > >as > > > >you > > > > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of > a > > > >unit, > > > > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of > > > >digital > > > > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the > > > >model > > > > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. > > Has > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses > > > >though > > > >a > > > > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm > sure > > > >neither > > > > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to > the > > > >source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made > using > > > >the > > > > > > Phillips > > > > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am > > not > > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it > is > > > >the > > > >one > > > > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. > > And > > > >I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > use that term lightly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > >Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > >Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > >resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > >resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Aug 26 12:04:01 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:04:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools Message-ID: Many month ago, I invented this ambitious method, it should has been cool to see it in a Nakamichi manual or to patent it, I don't know, surely it is even more useful to serve it, so... Nakamikaze presents : How to make a reference cassette with high accuracy by yourself. (or how to self-calibrate a Nakamichi Dragon -when you miss Nak original reference tapes) By my method, you fiddle in every domains the tape question is about. At the end of the adjustments, we will be able to produce other than the N-Dragon yet possible Speed and Wow & flutter reference cassette : - Tracking reference cassette - Level reference cassette - Azimuth reference cassette Preliminary. Thanks to the N-Dragon 4 tracks PB-head and to the Nak-discrete head linear height adjusting mechanics, it is possible to have a mechanical calibration based on an idea/concept of symmetry. Symmetry of a cassette side against the other side, having for the mechanical adjustment an utmost high precision reference cassette, feed with a thick & low drops tape to be free from tape skew. (c46 or c60). The idea is to consider the playback head centre as the tape path's axis. More you adjust the head by this method, closer to the real centre you get. Given the head is perfectly parallel to tape path, No differences should appears from a forward playback of a side against the same side reverse played back. Nak Dragon head is to be understand as a reference head about tracking and azimuth. It is a model of the tracks order.The spacing between each of the 4 cores are perfectly matched to the industry standard (or to Nak standard, all the way, it is not important)(before going further, I must tell you have to neglect that there is double core on its right channels, so forget its 6 cores). Matched by symmetry of one side against the other side. The cores are perfectly parallels from each other. ----> For the tracking part of the adjustment, we will reach the coincidence of the head centre to the tape centre. This head placed perfectly between two perfectly parallel tape guides that are parts of the high precision shell you must use, will show an identical phase behaviour from a side playback measured at head tracks 1&2 to the same side playback from the head track 3&4. (reverse playback of the same side). ---->For the Azimuth part of the adjustment, we will find no phase difference from a side playback to a reverse playback of the same side. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The things you must to have & knows to proceed are: - A flatness plate. - An oscilloscope with XY ability. - A digital multimeter - A TDK MA-XG , for its utmost precision shell. -Pressure pad removed. - Some different 400 Hz cassettes Nak recorded you have collected. of which you must take off the pressure pad. - A precise Needle meter. (i.e.: Nak 582, High Com..) - Patience & time ...and of course, you must have a Nak Dragon with good shaped heads. No adjustment must be proceed before having set the Zenith (tilt) to a maniac degree of precision. [if you install new heads, make first a rough adjustment of the tilt, height, azimuth before adjusting the tilt with accuracy, even if the height gears system is linear, this system loose reliability on "long" distances->~1.5 turn.] ! First, Disconnect the Azimuth motor ! All the steps of the method must be proceed from the beginning till end without the Pad Lifter installed on the head. Any cassettes you will use for the adjustments have to be dismounted to take off their pressure pad. That is for not to disturb the difficult & fragile tilt setting. - for a perfect tape to head contact. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 1: A Reference Level Tape. (this step appears as the less reliable of the method, because it deals with e-level. My method is purely based on mechanical parameters. however, if you own many 400 Hz tapes each from different decks, it seems viable to fix the PB level to an average value.) The Height, tracking cassette (chapter 2) & the Azimuth, Phase alignment (chapter 3) are reliable and accurate, to a logical point of view and to a practical experience as well. -Give more than a hour to warm up your Dragon & oscilloscope. -Set the scope in XY scan and its sensitivity to 50 mV/cm. Plug it to the output jacks. Anytime be careful to have the spot well centred. ---> !!! -Fast forward/rewind all the tapes you will use, to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. !!! 1. Playback forward the 400 Hz cassettes you own that are recorded on different Naks. 2. For each cassette, adjust PH height gear to obtain a maximised output, then nulls the phase difference with PH azimuth screw.(XY scope visualised.) Repeat the Height and phase null (Azimuth), you can obtain slightly higher level. 3. Measure the PB level at the dedicated Test Points. 4. Note on the cassette sticker the PB level you read for both channels. 5. Repeat steps 1 to 4 with all different source cassettes. 6. Calculate an average level for each channels. 7. If you find the determinate average level corresponds to one of your cassettes, you know that it is this one you must have for PB level reference. And so forget steps 8 to 12. 8. If no cassettes corresponds, take the closer one and with it perform mechanical adjustments of steps 2. 9. Adjust the PB level variable resistors for forward PB to reach the average level. (work with mV, it is more accurate) 10. Always with that cassette, reverse playback the 'reference' side. 11. Perform mechanical adjustments of steps 2. 12. Adjust PB level variable resistors for reverse playback to reach the average level. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 2: A Tracking reference Cassette Playback Head height. - Record on an other Nak deck (or a normal good deck) that should be rec./PB Azimuth sane (correct to approximate) , a 400 Hz tone @ 0 dB on the TDK MA-XG . - Fast forward/rewind on Dragon this tape you will use to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 1. Playback forward the 400 Hz of the MA-XG. 2. Adjust PH height gear to obtain a maximised output, then nulls the phase difference with PH azimuth screw.(XY scope visualised.) Repeat again the Height and phase null set (Azimuth), you can obtain slightly higher level. 3. With a thin pen, mark the height adjusting gear at the place of the black plastic gear-stopper. 4. Turn the cassette side. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 5. Playback reverse the same side than before. 6. Perform mechanical alignment of step 2. 7. With the thin pen, do a second mark on the height adjusting gear at the place of the black plastic gear-stopper. 8. Now, from the second mark you are on actually, count how much there is of notches to reach the first mark. 9. You are actually on the first mark. Return the height gear by the half of the notches number in the 2nd mark direction, to be at the real centre of the tape. Playback Head Track alignment is done. Don'ts touch anymore the PH height gear. 10. For Rec. Head tracking, perform three times the RH Height-output maximised / Azimuth-phase null. In record mode, with 400 Hz tone, using the TDK MA-XG. Rec. Head alignment is done. Don't touch anymore the RH height gear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 3: An Azimuth reference Cassette Phase Alignment. If you don't have a C60 MA-XG, dismount the MA-XG shell to feed into a good & thick new tape. Remount carefully. (ever without the pressure pad) 1. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 2. Fast forward the tape midway. Rec. 400 Hz tone & adjust rec. Head to null the phase difference. Rewind the tape to beginning. 3. Record a 400 Hz tone from the beginning till side end of the TDK MA-XG . 4. Control during the recording with the XY scan oscilloscope the phase behaviour to detect which is the tape zone that is the less affected by drops & phase jitters. Note the zones by reading of the tape counter. 5. By preference, rewind the tape midway, or to a zone you found stable in this region. 6. Ideally, if the azimuth of the PB head was perfect and by the way the rec. head too, this tape portion played back reversed should show the same phase behaviour than from the forward playback mode. Of course this will be extremely unlikely you'll jump in by the first try. 7. Mark the actual setting with a thin pen the PH Azimuth screw . 8. Reverse playback this side, adjust PH Azimuth screw to obtain no phase difference. 9. Do a second mark on PH Azimuth screw. 10. Now, from the second mark you are on actually, count how much there is of notches to reach the first mark. 11. You are actually on the first mark. Return the PH Azimuth screw by the half of the notches number in the 2nd mark direction. 12. The Play Head is perfectly set to THE right angle, if all parameters are respected. 13. Adjust the Rec. Head Azimuth with the Phase null method in the middle of the tape. 14. Check the recording is also phase null once reverse played back. 15. It is time to record the frequencies you want for your reference cassette. 16. Time to replace the Pad lifter on the head & reconnect the azimuth motor. Guy be extra careful !!! Unbend the lateral hooks. Place it very gently! Think about how bloody was the Zenith work ! A step further to check whether the PH azimuth OK, is to playback a 400 Hz rec. on MA-XG by a slightly misaligned deck. Mark on the screen of your XY scope the passing of the trace that is closer to the grid centre.(sensitivity 50mV/cm) When the tape is reverse played, the passing of the trace must be coincident to your marks. Whether you do this with a standard shell, the fact is that you will notice non "symmetric" result. The cause is infact the shell itself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And now, how to finish ? ... your Dragon heads are perfectly aligned, any tapes recorded on will kill. You just have just to Record on a precision cassette shell to produce a reference tape. If you have noticed points that seems to you forgetted or neglected by me, I think that together it will be a pleasure to integrate a solution for, just let me know ! Have you forget that Nakamichi means Midway ? Matyas Csillagi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Aug 26 15:54:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:24:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <002e01c12e36$ace84760$42d60192@vsnl> Stephen Can you name the old CD players which has this CDM - 4 mechanisms / I think many old players should have had this mechanism. How about Denon Players like DCD 1500 Mark 2 which is available for 50 USD with slight mechanical problem. ( The circuitry inside is almost DCD 1400 that I own but Laser lense is KSS 151 !) I am asking this because I think old Philips players - stand alone) must have them and possibly you can get them at very cheap price now! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >The only good transport(talking about CD, not CD-R/RW) I have seen made in >the last few years is one that JVC made for the Krell KPS-25. And I'd still >rather have an old Philips CDM-4-based unit(specifically the Museatex, of >course) or my Pioneer CLD-95 LD/CD unit, by far. Haven't seen a DVD/CD >transport yet that can touch these, either. Don't know a damn thing about >CD-R/RW transports. Just know that I wouldn't trust Philips to make a >decent one. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "winnie pooh" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:18 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > >> >> I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of >stability, >> performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What >about >> Sony? >> >> >> >> >From: "Stephen Sank" >> >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >> >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 >> > >> >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're >supposed >> >to.=) >> > >> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> >http://stephensank.com >> >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Ed Noyes" >> >To: >> >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >> > >> > >> > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing myself >> >and >> >only >> > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I >have >> >found the >> > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with >it... >> >even though >> > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music >> >ones >> >when >> > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself >as >> >it >> >was >> > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! >> > > >> > > Ed >> > > >> > > Stephen Sank wrote: >> > > >> > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as far >> >as >> >you >> > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of a >> >unit, >> > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. >> > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > > http://stephensank.com >> > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" >> > > > To: >> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM >> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sam, >> > > > > >> > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of >> >digital >> > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the >> >model >> > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > >> > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, >> > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > << >> > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. >Has >> > > > anyone >> > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses >> >though >> >a >> > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure >> >neither >> > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the >> >source. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Jim, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made using >> >the >> > > > Phillips >> > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am >not >> > > > familiar >> > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it is >> >the >> >one >> > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. >And >> >I >> > > > don't >> > > > > > use that term lightly. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -Sam >> > > > > > >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> > > > ======= >> > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> >Deck >> > > > resource. >> > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > > > > >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> > > > ======= >> > > > > >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> > > > ======= >> > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> >Deck >> > > > resource. >> > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > > > >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> > > > ======= >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> >======= >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck >> >resource. >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> >======= >> > > >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> >======= >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >= >> >======= >> > > >> > >> > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >======== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >======== >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Aug 26 17:10:49 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:10:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] More Stuff References: <079601c12dff$77f5ea80$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00d601c12e41$4a4878e0$4b756acf@johnrotten> Hi Stephen, Can you give me any idea on my DAT, a B215, or when you think that my ReVox B760 will get your attention? If you could checkout the Tuner I could PayPal you when shes done! It would be nice to get at least one B215 cooking on ebay. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 26 17:18:05 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:18:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC In-Reply-To: <3B880806.DF1CC0CA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c12e42$4ef6c940$1a33883e@a4s1s2> Many many thanks to you all for the advice offered for my friend, Lorraine - she has asked me to express her gratitude. By the way, anyone picking up on Roland's suggestion for a OTT800, I am given to understand that the Otari CDR18 and Fostex CR200 CDR machines, also targeted at the pro' market, are actually the same machines at the OTT800 only in disguise. I also gathered that this machine has an advantage over most other stand-alone CDR machines in that it accepts for recording PC CDs. That is to say, it accepts them legitimately!! You don't have to fool the machine first into thinking it's got an audio blank CD by placing one in the drawer and then prizing it open to swap with a PC blank CD!!! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sun Aug 26 19:13:43 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:13:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <000001c12e42$4ef6c940$1a33883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003e01c12e52$766f82e0$ac9c42d8@idirect.com> Graham, I knew about the Otari brand using this deck with their brand name on it, but had never seen the Fostex before. Just checked it out - looks cool - Glad you mentioned it. http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM98/Fostex/CR200.html And yes, using computer CD-Rs are "normal" for this deck. Being that I have only used HHB decks, I didn't know their was a difference in computer and consumer CD-Rs, until the last year or so. The saving on this alone makes buying a professional deck like this a bargain if you want a component for your system. Other advantages of buying a pro CD recorder is that YOU set the SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) onto the CD regardless of what the source is set for. In other words if you are copying a CD you bought in the store, which normally allows you to only make first generation copies in digital, that's is irrelevant to this deck. You can digitally make copies of copies of copies if you want. The rack mounts for this unit are the nicest I've seen of any component. Heavy duty metal that will not bend or warp EVER. The deck also comes with a full function remote that controls virtually everything you'd want. Although you can record without this, make sure you get the remote if you buy this deck, because it is the only way to control the fade in and fade out function which is useful recording vinyl where the end of a track may be noisy. Fade in / out can be set for whatever number of seconds you want, I believe up to 18 seconds. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ruajw2 at idirect.com Sun Aug 26 19:24:06 2001 From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:24:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HHB Otari Fostex CD Recorder References: <000001c12e42$4ef6c940$1a33883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004101c12e53$e9d99a80$ac9c42d8@idirect.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1457684123 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 26 19:42:58 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:42:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> <3B88213D.DFE51AD0@concentric.net> <3B88442A.794E6537@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c12e56$8d34d6c0$05031fac@brianm> > I'm not sure about the arguments for or against balanced inputs. > I do know that McIntosh got rid of them on the late model 130s > which were 5.1 ready. I have no idea if it had anything to do with > the desirability of the inputs or some other consideration. > Javier I can't speak for their HT amps, but Macs two-channel amps and their pre-amps have balanced inputs. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 21:56:37 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:56:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <002e01c12e36$ace84760$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <084301c12e69$381c3120$ae3442cf@sank1> The good Philips(Magnavox) mechs, CDM-2, CDM-4 & CDM-9/9pro, were not as commonly OEM'd as Sony, Sanyo, etc. CDM-2 was used by Revox, McIntosh, Mission, B&O(CDX only) and perhaps a few others. The CDM-4 was used by Museatex, Micromega, B&O, Tandberg, Rotel and quite a few other high-end transport makers. CDM-9 was used by Rotel, Krell, and again, a number of highend transport makers. Denon never used the Philips. However, their older, but not earliest, players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 laser), which imitated Sony's only great transport mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, all c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, whereas the Philips did not. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Stephen > Can you name the old CD players which has this CDM - 4 mechanisms / I think > many old players should have had this mechanism. How about Denon Players > like DCD 1500 Mark 2 which is available for 50 USD with slight mechanical > problem. ( The circuitry inside is almost DCD 1400 that I own but Laser > lense is KSS 151 !) I am asking this because I think old Philips players - > stand alone) must have them and possibly you can get them at very cheap > price now! > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 26, 2001 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > >The only good transport(talking about CD, not CD-R/RW) I have seen made in > >the last few years is one that JVC made for the Krell KPS-25. And I'd > still > >rather have an old Philips CDM-4-based unit(specifically the Museatex, of > >course) or my Pioneer CLD-95 LD/CD unit, by far. Haven't seen a DVD/CD > >transport yet that can touch these, either. Don't know a damn thing about > >CD-R/RW transports. Just know that I wouldn't trust Philips to make a > >decent one. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "winnie pooh" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:18 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > >> > >> I'm curious to know, which is the "best" CD transport in terms of > >stability, > >> performance and reliability? I presume not the current Phillips? What > >about > >> Sony? > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: "Stephen Sank" > >> >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >To: > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >> >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:01:57 -0600 > >> > > >> >Hey, ya know, sometimes BIC lighters work way longer than they're > >supposed > >> >to.=) > >> > > >> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> >http://stephensank.com > >> >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Ed Noyes" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 8:43 PM > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >> > > >> > > >> > > With all due respect, while I would have thought the same thing > myself > >> >and > >> >only > >> > > intended to own this thing for a few months to do some transfers, I > >have > >> >found the > >> > > recorder to be dead on reliable and have never had a problem with > >it... > >> >even though > >> > > I'm always prying the door open to sneak data disks in place of music > >> >ones > >> >when > >> > > recording. Perhaps I got really lucky... I am quite surprised myself > >as > >> >it > >> >was > >> > > purchased as a "toy" in the truest sense of the word! > >> > > > >> > > Ed > >> > > > >> > > Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Only problem is that you can't trust anything made by Philips as > far > >> >as > >> >you > >> > > > could throw it. I would definitely consider it a "BIC lighter" of > a > >> >unit, > >> > > > i.e., toss it & buy a new one every year or two. > >> > > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > >> > > > To: > >> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:01 PM > >> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi Sam, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Strong words, especially considering that I am such a skeptic of > >> >digital > >> > > > > recordings in general. Is there any possibility of learning the > >> >model > >> > > > > number of the Philips unit? I'd like to give it a test drive. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > In a message dated 8/25/2001 3:29:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > >> > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > << > >> > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. > >Has > >> > > > anyone > >> > > > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses > >> >though > >> >a > >> > > > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm > sure > >> >neither > >> > > > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the > >> >source. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Jim, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I have a CD that someome gave me to audition that was made > using > >> >the > >> > > > Phillips > >> > > > > > box and I have to admit that it simply sounds fantastic. I am > >not > >> > > > familiar > >> > > > > > without the details of the Phillips machine, but I believe it > is > >> >the > >> >one > >> > > > > > featured in their commercials. The CD simply sounds gorgeous. > >And > >> >I > >> > > > don't > >> > > > > > use that term lightly. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -Sam > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> > > > ======= > >> > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > >> >Deck > >> > > > resource. > >> > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> > > > ======= > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> > > > ======= > >> > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >> >Deck > >> > > > resource. > >> > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> > > > ======= > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> >======= > >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > >> >resource. > >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> >======= > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> >======= > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >resource. > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >= > >> >======= > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >======== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >======== > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 26 21:58:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:58:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools References: Message-ID: <085001c12e69$7e9014a0$ae3442cf@sank1> Just for the sake of "certification", I'll put in my approval of your procedures. Again, you've shown your creative inventiveness. While you won't get precisely the same results as with the real, expensive, Nak tapes & jigs, you'll be really damn close. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 4:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools Many month ago, I invented this ambitious method, it should has been cool to see it in a Nakamichi manual or to patent it, I don't know, surely it is even more useful to serve it, so... Nakamikaze presents : How to make a reference cassette with high accuracy by yourself. (or how to self-calibrate a Nakamichi Dragon -when you miss Nak original reference tapes) By my method, you fiddle in every domains the tape question is about. At the end of the adjustments, we will be able to produce other than the N-Dragon yet possible Speed and Wow & flutter reference cassette : - Tracking reference cassette - Level reference cassette - Azimuth reference cassette Preliminary. Thanks to the N-Dragon 4 tracks PB-head and to the Nak-discrete head linear height adjusting mechanics, it is possible to have a mechanical calibration based on an idea/concept of symmetry. Symmetry of a cassette side against the other side, having for the mechanical adjustment an utmost high precision reference cassette, feed with a thick & low drops tape to be free from tape skew. (c46 or c60). The idea is to consider the playback head centre as the tape path's axis. More you adjust the head by this method, closer to the real centre you get. Given the head is perfectly parallel to tape path, No differences should appears from a forward playback of a side against the same side reverse played back. Nak Dragon head is to be understand as a reference head about tracking and azimuth. It is a model of the tracks order.The spacing between each of the 4 cores are perfectly matched to the industry standard (or to Nak standard, all the way, it is not important)(before going further, I must tell you have to neglect that there is double core on its right channels, so forget its 6 cores). Matched by symmetry of one side against the other side. The cores are perfectly parallels from each other. ----> For the tracking part of the adjustment, we will reach the coincidence of the head centre to the tape centre. This head placed perfectly between two perfectly parallel tape guides that are parts of the high precision shell you must use, will show an identical phase behaviour from a side playback measured at head tracks 1&2 to the same side playback from the head track 3&4. (reverse playback of the same side). ---->For the Azimuth part of the adjustment, we will find no phase difference from a side playback to a reverse playback of the same side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The things you must to have & knows to proceed are: - A flatness plate. - An oscilloscope with XY ability. - A digital multimeter - A TDK MA-XG , for its utmost precision shell. -Pressure pad removed. - Some different 400 Hz cassettes Nak recorded you have collected. of which you must take off the pressure pad. - A precise Needle meter. (i.e.: Nak 582, High Com..) - Patience & time ...and of course, you must have a Nak Dragon with good shaped heads. No adjustment must be proceed before having set the Zenith (tilt) to a maniac degree of precision. [if you install new heads, make first a rough adjustment of the tilt, height, azimuth before adjusting the tilt with accuracy, even if the height gears system is linear, this system loose reliability on "long" distances->~1.5 turn.] ! First, Disconnect the Azimuth motor ! All the steps of the method must be proceed from the beginning till end without the Pad Lifter installed on the head. Any cassettes you will use for the adjustments have to be dismounted to take off their pressure pad. That is for not to disturb the difficult & fragile tilt setting. - for a perfect tape to head contact. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Chapter 1: A Reference Level Tape. (this step appears as the less reliable of the method, because it deals with e-level. My method is purely based on mechanical parameters. however, if you own many 400 Hz tapes each from different decks, it seems viable to fix the PB level to an average value.) The Height, tracking cassette (chapter 2) & the Azimuth, Phase alignment (chapter 3) are reliable and accurate, to a logical point of view and to a practical experience as well. -Give more than a hour to warm up your Dragon & oscilloscope. -Set the scope in XY scan and its sensitivity to 50 mV/cm. Plug it to the output jacks. Anytime be careful to have the spot well centred. ---> !!! -Fast forward/rewind all the tapes you will use, to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. !!! 1. Playback forward the 400 Hz cassettes you own that are recorded on different Naks. 2. For each cassette, adjust PH height gear to obtain a maximised output, then nulls the phase difference with PH azimuth screw.(XY scope visualised.) Repeat the Height and phase null (Azimuth), you can obtain slightly higher level. 3. Measure the PB level at the dedicated Test Points. 4. Note on the cassette sticker the PB level you read for both channels. 5. Repeat steps 1 to 4 with all different source cassettes. 6. Calculate an average level for each channels. 7. If you find the determinate average level corresponds to one of your cassettes, you know that it is this one you must have for PB level reference. And so forget steps 8 to 12. 8. If no cassettes corresponds, take the closer one and with it perform mechanical adjustments of steps 2. 9. Adjust the PB level variable resistors for forward PB to reach the average level. (work with mV, it is more accurate) 10. Always with that cassette, reverse playback the 'reference' side. 11. Perform mechanical adjustments of steps 2. 12. Adjust PB level variable resistors for reverse playback to reach the average level. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Chapter 2: A Tracking reference Cassette Playback Head height. - Record on an other Nak deck (or a normal good deck) that should be rec./PB Azimuth sane (correct to approximate) , a 400 Hz tone @ 0 dB on the TDK MA-XG . - Fast forward/rewind on Dragon this tape you will use to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 1. Playback forward the 400 Hz of the MA-XG. 2. Adjust PH height gear to obtain a maximised output, then nulls the phase difference with PH azimuth screw.(XY scope visualised.) Repeat again the Height and phase null set (Azimuth), you can obtain slightly higher level. 3. With a thin pen, mark the height adjusting gear at the place of the black plastic gear-stopper. 4. Turn the cassette side. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 5. Playback reverse the same side than before. 6. Perform mechanical alignment of step 2. 7. With the thin pen, do a second mark on the height adjusting gear at the place of the black plastic gear-stopper. 8. Now, from the second mark you are on actually, count how much there is of notches to reach the first mark. 9. You are actually on the first mark. Return the height gear by the half of the notches number in the 2nd mark direction, to be at the real centre of the tape. Playback Head Track alignment is done. Don'ts touch anymore the PH height gear. 10. For Rec. Head tracking, perform three times the RH Height-output maximised / Azimuth-phase null. In record mode, with 400 Hz tone, using the TDK MA-XG. Rec. Head alignment is done. Don't touch anymore the RH height gear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Chapter 3: An Azimuth reference Cassette Phase Alignment. If you don't have a C60 MA-XG, dismount the MA-XG shell to feed into a good & thick new tape. Remount carefully. (ever without the pressure pad) 1. Fast forward/rewind the tape to adapt the spools to your Dragon tape path/transport. 2. Fast forward the tape midway. Rec. 400 Hz tone & adjust rec. Head to null the phase difference. Rewind the tape to beginning. 3. Record a 400 Hz tone from the beginning till side end of the TDK MA-XG . 4. Control during the recording with the XY scan oscilloscope the phase behaviour to detect which is the tape zone that is the less affected by drops & phase jitters. Note the zones by reading of the tape counter. 5. By preference, rewind the tape midway, or to a zone you found stable in this region. 6. Ideally, if the azimuth of the PB head was perfect and by the way the rec. head too, this tape portion played back reversed should show the same phase behaviour than from the forward playback mode. Of course this will be extremely unlikely you'll jump in by the first try. 7. Mark the actual setting with a thin pen the PH Azimuth screw . 8. Reverse playback this side, adjust PH Azimuth screw to obtain no phase difference. 9. Do a second mark on PH Azimuth screw. 10. Now, from the second mark you are on actually, count how much there is of notches to reach the first mark. 11. You are actually on the first mark. Return the PH Azimuth screw by the half of the notches number in the 2nd mark direction. 12. The Play Head is perfectly set to THE right angle, if all parameters are respected. 13. Adjust the Rec. Head Azimuth with the Phase null method in the middle of the tape. 14. Check the recording is also phase null once reverse played back. 15. It is time to record the frequencies you want for your reference cassette. 16. Time to replace the Pad lifter on the head & reconnect the azimuth motor. Guy be extra careful !!! Unbend the lateral hooks. Place it very gently! Think about how bloody was the Zenith work ! A step further to check whether the PH azimuth OK, is to playback a 400 Hz rec. on MA-XG by a slightly misaligned deck. Mark on the screen of your XY scope the passing of the trace that is closer to the grid centre.(sensitivity 50mV/cm) When the tape is reverse played, the passing of the trace must be coincident to your marks. Whether you do this with a standard shell, the fact is that you will notice non "symmetric" result. The cause is infact the shell itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- And now, how to finish ? ... your Dragon heads are perfectly aligned, any tapes recorded on will kill. You just have just to Record on a precision cassette shell to produce a reference tape. If you have noticed points that seems to you forgetted or neglected by me, I think that together it will be a pleasure to integrate a solution for, just let me know ! Have you forget that Nakamichi means Midway ? Matyas Csillagi ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Mon Aug 27 00:49:54 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:49:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Simple Azimuth adjustments. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659AF@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hello everyone, Since we are in the discussion about making adjustments to tape decks without the preferred tools, I thought I'll let you all know how I make azimuth adjustments without the alignment tape. For this experiment I need either a amplifier with a mono/stereo mode or a pair of headphones wired in mono mode. I then would insert a tape with recorded material on it that is been recorded from a machine with proper alignment. If you are working with a 3 head unit start with the playback head first. Press play on the deck and switch the amplifier in the mono mode or insert the headphones into the tape decks phones socket and start adjusting the azimuth screw slowly in one direction. You will note that the tone of sound will start to alter from clear to slurred, adjust until the tone is clear. If you have only a 2 head deck then that is all you adjust, the recordings should come out fine. If you have a 3 head deck then you will need to have a blank tape ready. Insert the blank tape in and connect the deck to an audio source (cd, tuner etc), and start recording. Whilst in the recording mode switch the source switch on your deck to tape so that you can monitor the recording, and use the headphones or the amplifier in the mono mode. Start adjusting the azimuth screw for the record head slowly in either direction until the recording is clear and sharp. Record a minute or two of music and play it on another machine to see if the quality is satisfactory. That should be it. Please note that this method is a quick and simple way but not a super accurate way of adjusting azimuth on tape decks. The best way of course is by using the alignment tape from the manufacturer. I've been using this method for some time now and so far so good. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 27 02:04:37 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:04:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <05d401c12e8b$dd4457a0$9865fea9@D9569601> A friend lent me the following McIntosh gear: c22 preamplifier mc240 amplifier mc30 amplifier The mc240 works fine; used it a few years back. The mc30 will not power up at all and the c22...well....plugged it in. Got weak sounding phono via the right channel only; when the left channel is in the mix then all I get is a loud shooshing noise. If I put both speakers on right channel ONLY the sound is reasonably clear. This preamp has not been turned on in at least five years. Best place to start? Down to my local McIntosh repair shop? Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > Hi Ron > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > Thanks, > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go there > to > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > Enjoy, > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > file contains several different versions of the same > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 05:41:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:41:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << However, their older, but not earliest, players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 laser), which imitated Sony's only great transport mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, all c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, whereas the Philips did not. >> I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. While we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any other modifications that would improve this particular CD player's performance that you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been 14 years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 06:36:39 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:36:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> <05d401c12e8b$dd4457a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <08ee01c12eb1$ddbc9fa0$ae3442cf@sank1> Odds are quite good that you just need to clean all the tube pins(a brass wire detailing brush + a little contact lubricant works best). Then, get the sockets clean(ish) by wetting each tubes pins again with contact lubricant & shoving in & out of each socket a number of times. Beyond that, please make sure whomever you take it to has many years of McIntosh experience. If you want to be absolutely sure it will get proper care, please send it out to me. Been doing Mac just as long & as much as I've been doing Nak. If the MC30 does not simply have a blown fuse(or breaker), it should get professional attention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > A friend lent me the following McIntosh gear: > > c22 preamplifier > mc240 amplifier > mc30 amplifier > > The mc240 works fine; used it a few years back. The mc30 will not power up > at all and the c22...well....plugged it in. Got weak sounding phono via the > right channel only; when the left channel is in the mix then all I get is a > loud shooshing noise. If I put both speakers on right channel ONLY the > sound is reasonably clear. > > This preamp has not been turned on in at least five years. Best place to > start? Down to my local McIntosh repair shop? > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Soulantikas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > Hi Ron > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > Thanks, > > > > Jannis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go > there > > to > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > > file contains several different versions of the same > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 06:43:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:43:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <090001c12eb2$c09c2700$ae3442cf@sank1> Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice 2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond audibility on the player. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << However, their older, but not earliest, > players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. > Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 laser), > which imitated Sony's only great transport mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, all > c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, whereas > the Philips did not. >> > > I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. While > we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any other > modifications that would improve this particular CD player's performance that > you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been 14 > years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 06:49:22 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:49:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <66.138e1675.28bb2b52@aol.com> In a message dated 8/26/2001 11:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice 2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond audibility on the player. >> Thank you. Once you open it up, you can clearly see that it is a well built player. Here's my thought, once I'm working (by the end of September) I would like to send it to you for maintenance and these mods. I have been unsuccessful repairing the door and the static noise continues to the point that I have to take it out of my rack, take it apart, and return it everytime I choose to use it. I thought of attaching some dental floss to the lose grnd pin and gently pulling on it to get the static to stop. Will work in the short run but I'd rather get it fixed. Can you give me a ballpark estimate for these repairs? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 27 06:46:33 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:16:33 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <003001c12eb3$40c599c0$42d60192@vsnl> Stephen I have obtained locally ( This company in collaboration with a swiss Cap manufacturer is making Military grade Caps for our space & defence establishments here) Polyustrene of 10 nf which is quite big ! even this 2.2 nf will be large to place them on these places! Only Vishay polypropylene box caps are of small size ( how do you rate them ?) How about getting me small qty of these MIT caps to try out on my Dragon as my brother could not get them from Percy - { stopped bothering my brother(s)- they hate my hobby!!! you know} Kannan PS CD players have very minmal circuitry - Opamps- after DA converter. Is it enough to upgrade that portion ( with this cap bypass) or on all the Digital circuits also - They must be having good supply bypasssing to suppress HF noise anyway using Ceramic caps on digital portion? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. >About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice >2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each >opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the >nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond >audibility on the player. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:41 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > >> In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, >> bk11 at thuntek.net writes: >> >> << However, their older, but not earliest, >> players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. >> Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 laser), >> which imitated Sony's only great transport mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, >all >> c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, whereas >> the Philips did not. >> >> >> I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. >While >> we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any >other >> modifications that would improve this particular CD player's performance >that >> you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been 14 >> years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! >> >> -Sam >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 07:05:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:05:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk about DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank cassette media. As always, thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 07:17:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:17:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <66.138e1675.28bb2b52@aol.com> Message-ID: <094201c12eb7$8a196ee0$ae3442cf@sank1> For you, Sam, just eight or nine hundred bucks. Heh, heh. Now that I have your attention, probably in the $150 vicinity. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > In a message dated 8/26/2001 11:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. > About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice > 2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each > opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the > nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond > audibility on the player. >> > > > Thank you. Once you open it up, you can clearly see that it is a well built > player. Here's my thought, once I'm working (by the end of September) I > would like to send it to you for maintenance and these mods. I have been > unsuccessful repairing the door and the static noise continues to the point > that I have to take it out of my rack, take it apart, and return it everytime > I choose to use it. I thought of attaching some dental floss to the lose > grnd pin and gently pulling on it to get the static to stop. Will work in > the short run but I'd rather get it fixed. Can you give me a ballpark > estimate for these repairs? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 07:17:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:17:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:15:24 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << For you, Sam, just eight or nine hundred bucks. Heh, heh. Now that I have your attention, probably in the $150 vicinity. >> Gee, thanks. I'll keep you posted!... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 07:37:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:37:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> Message-ID: <096801c12eba$4d45cf60$ae3442cf@sank1> In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. Needing repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather have the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic made that had multi-bit DAC's. Of course, I lust for a Nak 1000 DAT transport & 1000p AD/DA, but no way I'd be able to afford them if I found them. But, if anyone comes accross a 1000 DAT for sale, I have a client in Hong Kong, whom I just talked into buying a 1000p, that would like to have one, as well as a 1000mb musicbank CD transport. Gorgeous pieces. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk about > DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on > their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank cassette > media. As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 07:41:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:41:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <003001c12eb3$40c599c0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <097801c12eba$e6d99b20$ae3442cf@sank1> As soon as I put in an order for more MIT RTX styrene caps, I'll order extras for you, Kannan. The smallest is 0.01ufd/400v, and is about 3/4" x 1/4". It can usually be squeezed in where desired, but not always. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Stephen > I have obtained locally ( This company in collaboration with a swiss Cap > manufacturer is making Military grade Caps for our space & defence > establishments here) Polyustrene of 10 nf which is quite big ! even this 2.2 > nf will be large to place them on these places! Only Vishay polypropylene > box caps are of small size ( how do you rate them ?) How about getting me > small qty of these MIT caps to try out on my Dragon as my brother could not > get them from Percy - { stopped bothering my brother(s)- they hate my > hobby!!! you know} > Kannan > > PS > CD players have very minmal circuitry - Opamps- after DA converter. Is it > enough to upgrade that portion ( with this cap bypass) or on all the Digital > circuits also - They must be having good supply bypasssing to suppress HF > noise anyway using Ceramic caps on digital portion? > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > >Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. > >About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice > >2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each > >opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the > >nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond > >audibility on the player. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:41 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > >> In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > >> bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > >> > >> << However, their older, but not earliest, > >> players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. > >> Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 laser), > >> which imitated Sony's only great transport mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, > >all > >> c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, > whereas > >> the Philips did not. >> > >> > >> I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. > >While > >> we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any > >other > >> modifications that would improve this particular CD player's performance > >that > >> you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been 14 > >> years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! > >> > >> -Sam > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 07:37:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:37:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <120.3a54f83.28bb368d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. Needing repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather have the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic made that had multi-bit DAC's. >> Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was just curious if anyone recorded music or had one incorporated into their home system. DAT, like mini disc didn't take off, did it? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 27 07:40:32 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:40:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> Message-ID: <016e01c12eba$c9d29360$c8f43fd0@oemcomputer> Wasn't there a Nak Dat player ? Model 1000 Anyone have it? Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk about > DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on > their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank cassette > media. As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 07:59:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 23:59:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <120.3a54f83.28bb368d@aol.com> Message-ID: <099301c12ebd$79a46c80$ae3442cf@sank1> In fact, DAT took off extremely well in the pro audio recording market. It has now been largely supplanted by harddisk recorders, but it is still in wide use. Minidisc took off pretty well in broadcasting. It pretty heavily replaced cart machines for playing commercial spots in radio. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. Needing > repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather have > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic made > that had multi-bit DAC's. >> > > Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was just curious if anyone > recorded music or had one incorporated into their home system. DAT, like > mini disc didn't take off, did it? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 27 08:04:19 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 02:04:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> <096801c12eba$4d45cf60$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <018a01c12ebe$1c5ceb00$c8f43fd0@oemcomputer> this one might be for sale http://www.audiovision-shop.de/Preise/Hifi/DAT-Rekorder/dat-rekorder.html Nakamichi 1000/1000p (i) ex-factory price 23,000, DM silver-white 9,999, DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. Needing > repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather have > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic made > that had multi-bit DAC's. > Of course, I lust for a Nak 1000 DAT transport & 1000p AD/DA, but no way I'd > be able to afford them if I found them. But, if anyone comes accross a 1000 > DAT for sale, I have a client in Hong Kong, whom I just talked into buying a > 1000p, that would like to have one, as well as a 1000mb musicbank CD > transport. Gorgeous pieces. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk > about > > DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on > > their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank > cassette > > media. As always, thanks. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 27 09:05:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:35:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <003601c12ec6$adb1d680$42d60192@vsnl> Thanks Stephen My brother ( another one) is leaving US for three weeks in October second or third week and if they can be obtained befor that I can ask him to collect? Thanks a lot once again Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >As soon as I put in an order for more MIT RTX styrene caps, I'll order >extras for you, Kannan. The smallest is 0.01ufd/400v, and is about 3/4" x >1/4". It can usually be squeezed in where desired, but not always. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kannan. S" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:46 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > >> Stephen >> I have obtained locally ( This company in collaboration with a swiss Cap >> manufacturer is making Military grade Caps for our space & defence >> establishments here) Polyustrene of 10 nf which is quite big ! even this >2.2 >> nf will be large to place them on these places! Only Vishay polypropylene >> box caps are of small size ( how do you rate them ?) How about getting me >> small qty of these MIT caps to try out on my Dragon as my brother could >not >> get them from Percy - { stopped bothering my brother(s)- they hate my >> hobby!!! you know} >> Kannan >> >> PS >> CD players have very minmal circuitry - Opamps- after DA converter. Is it >> enough to upgrade that portion ( with this cap bypass) or on all the >Digital >> circuits also - They must be having good supply bypasssing to suppress HF >> noise anyway using Ceramic caps on digital portion? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Sank >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >> >> >> >Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very nice. >> >About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice >> >2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at each >> >opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the >> >nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond >> >audibility on the player. >> > >> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> >http://stephensank.com >> >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: >> >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:41 PM >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >> > >> > >> >> In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, >> >> bk11 at thuntek.net writes: >> >> >> >> << However, their older, but not earliest, >> >> players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. >> >> Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 >laser), >> >> which imitated Sony's only great transport >mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, >> >all >> >> c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, >> whereas >> >> the Philips did not. >> >> >> >> >> I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. >> >While >> >> we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any >> >other >> >> modifications that would improve this particular CD player's >performance >> >that >> >> you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been 14 >> >> years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! >> >> >> >> -Sam >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> = >> >======= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> = >> >======= >> >> >> > >> > >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> ======== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> ======== >> > >> > >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 27 09:42:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:42:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <003601c12ec6$adb1d680$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <09b501c12ecb$cca3a500$ae3442cf@sank1> Of course. How many do you need? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Thanks Stephen > My brother ( another one) is leaving US for three weeks in October second or > third week and if they can be obtained befor that I can ask him to collect? > Thanks a lot once again > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > >As soon as I put in an order for more MIT RTX styrene caps, I'll order > >extras for you, Kannan. The smallest is 0.01ufd/400v, and is about 3/4" x > >1/4". It can usually be squeezed in where desired, but not always. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kannan. S" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:46 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > > > > >> Stephen > >> I have obtained locally ( This company in collaboration with a swiss Cap > >> manufacturer is making Military grade Caps for our space & defence > >> establishments here) Polyustrene of 10 nf which is quite big ! even this > >2.2 > >> nf will be large to place them on these places! Only Vishay polypropylene > >> box caps are of small size ( how do you rate them ?) How about getting me > >> small qty of these MIT caps to try out on my Dragon as my brother could > >not > >> get them from Percy - { stopped bothering my brother(s)- they hate my > >> hobby!!! you know} > >> Kannan > >> > >> PS > >> CD players have very minmal circuitry - Opamps- after DA converter. Is it > >> enough to upgrade that portion ( with this cap bypass) or on all the > >Digital > >> circuits also - They must be having good supply bypasssing to suppress HF > >> noise anyway using Ceramic caps on digital portion? > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Sank > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >> > >> > >> >Yes, the 1520 uses the KSS-151 in the linear motor transport. Very > nice. > >> >About the only other meaningful upgrade you could do is to add some nice > >> >2200pf or larger polystyrene caps from each supply line to ground at > each > >> >opamp, meaning a cap directly from each chip's pins 4(V-) & 8(V+) to the > >> >nearest ground point. Beyond this, you get into subtlety perhaps beyond > >> >audibility on the player. > >> > > >> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> >http://stephensank.com > >> >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:41 PM > >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > >> > > >> > > >> >> In a message dated 8/26/2001 2:55:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > >> >> bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > >> >> > >> >> << However, their older, but not earliest, > >> >> players had very nicely designed Denon-made transports w/Sony lasers. > >> >> Especially the upper end ones with linear motor tracking(KSS-151 > >laser), > >> >> which imitated Sony's only great transport > >mech(CDP-102,302,520ES,620ES, > >> >all > >> >> c.1984-86). They did need a fair amount of up-keep work, though, > >> whereas > >> >> the Philips did not. >> > >> >> > >> >> I believe my trusty Denon DCD 1520 uses that Sony laser you mentioned. > >> >While > >> >> we're on the subject, aside from the OP275 modification, are there any > >> >other > >> >> modifications that would improve this particular CD player's > >performance > >> >that > >> >> you would recommend. It's time to have my Denon serviced (it's been > 14 > >> >> years) and I'd like to keep it. Thanks! > >> >> > >> >> -Sam > >> >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >> = > >> >======= > >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >resource. > >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >> = > >> >======= > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >> ======== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > = > >> ======== > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 27 09:42:55 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:12:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <008501c12ecb$e28fd3c0$42d60192@vsnl> It is mainly to see the effects of these - first on play back part - I think about 20 or less would do - am I right in my guess? I am planning to get the full quantity later on if I find these are really worth. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC >Of course. How many do you need? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kannan. S" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:05 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > > >> Thanks Stephen >> My brother ( another one) is leaving US for three weeks in October second >or >> third week and if they can be obtained befor that I can ask him to >collect? >> Thanks a lot once again >> Kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Sank >> To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Mon Aug 27 12:13:11 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:13:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Region Free DVD for Nakamichi Message-ID: <28A53FF25551D511BED4000629556F712B6872@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> If anyone is looking for the process to switch the Nak DVD players to region code free. Please feel free to contact me at mft at europe.com Raul ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Aug 27 21:20:23 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:20:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> <016e01c12eba$c9d29360$c8f43fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003801c12f2d$52563620$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> We have one where I work part time, unfortunately, it's a demo, and he wants waaay too much for the dac and transport erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Wasn't there a Nak Dat player ? Model 1000 > Anyone have it? > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 19:28:44 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:28:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Assessment Message-ID: Hi naktalkers, does anyone have some tips on this? What are the checkpoints for quick testing of a second hand tapedeck? I have found that this is not very easy in a shop or at a sellers house... The obvious things to do are of course: 1. Playback a known good recording, checking wow and tonebalance. 2. Record and Play something from the sellers source, checking for diffs. These tests will reveal if the machine works or not, but might not tell anything about the remaining life of the machine! What are the important items to check, and how do You do it? Thankful for comments, Marcus Rosén, Stockholm Sweden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 27 19:49:43 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:49:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <120.3a54f83.28bb368d@aol.com> Message-ID: <072701c12f29$b74e9670$9865fea9@D9569601> When DAT first came out we chuckled with "what's the point?"....CD's are more user friendly and the playback devices are much cheaper and simpler to manufacture...more reliable as a result....We figured Sony must have warehouses to fill up with inventory ...perhaps warehouses where they once stocked BETA stuff. we figured the only use for DAT was portable audio recording and that is what it was (still is for many) primarily used for; it never had any attraction for consumers...except for uninformed consumers with too many credit cards when the things were rolled out I did manage to pick up a din sized JVC dat player for our VW Westie to play the hundreds of Dead tapes I've accumulated on DAT that I've not transferred to CD yet..cheap. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. Needing > repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather have > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic made > that had multi-bit DAC's. >> > > Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was just curious if anyone > recorded music or had one incorporated into their home system. DAT, like > mini disc didn't take off, did it? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Aug 27 21:05:59 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:05:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <120.3a54f83.28bb368d@aol.com> <072701c12f29$b74e9670$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B8A9A17.FFADA7DF@concentric.net> Carl Cobb wrote: > > When DAT first came out we chuckled with "what's the point?"....CD's are > more user friendly and the playback devices are much cheaper and simpler to > manufacture...more reliable as a result....We figured Sony must have > warehouses to fill up with inventory ...perhaps warehouses where they once > stocked BETA stuff. > > we figured the only use for DAT was portable audio recording and that is > what it was (still is for many) primarily used for; it never had any > attraction for consumers...except for uninformed consumers with too many > credit cards when the things were rolled out I think what killed it in the market place was the Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection of any kind and this completely ruined the format for those that like to make several copies of a compilation for family or friends. Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in technology. -- Ron > I did manage to pick up a din sized JVC dat player for our VW Westie to play > the hundreds of Dead tapes I've accumulated on DAT that I've not transferred > to CD yet..cheap. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. > Needing > > repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather > have > > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic > made > > that had multi-bit DAC's. >> > > > > Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was just curious if anyone > > recorded music or had one incorporated into their home system. DAT, like > > mini disc didn't take off, did it? > > > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 21:29:23 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <072701c12f29$b74e9670$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <20010827192923.33479.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> > Does anyone DAT? My friend uses his Panasonic SV-3700 for final mixdown from his two 8 track recorders (Tascan DA-88 and DA-38). Almost two years ago we purchased a tape duplication system where we got 107 MR-1's, two DAT decks (a Panasonic SV-3800 and a Sony PCM-2700) and a lot of misc gear and cables. He got the SV-3800 to go along with his SV-3700 and I got the PCM-2700 for my collection. I use it occasionally to do recordings of special events at my church. Being able to record 2 hours straight without flipping the tape is great. When my friend isn't using his gear he rents them out to one of the local studios when customers insist on using this low end digital stuff instead of the nice 2" analog decks they already have. The rental fees pay for routine maintance and offset the cost of the decks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone > DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central > Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic > SV-3700 DAT machines. > Needing > > repair of course. One for me and one for a > Naktalk client. I'd rather > have > > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very > nice. Last Panasonic > made > > that had multi-bit DAC's. >> > > > > Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was > just curious if anyone > > recorded music or had one incorporated into their > home system. DAT, like > > mini disc didn't take off, did it? > > > > -Sam > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 27 21:37:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:37:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <120.3a54f83.28bb368d@aol.com> <072701c12f29$b74e9670$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B8A9A17.FFADA7DF@concentric.net> Message-ID: <074001c12f2f$b75d2db0$9865fea9@D9569601> I think SCMS had something to do with DAT's demise; certainly it did not help. But, the primary reason, IMHO, is that it served little purpose for the consumer. When I wanted copies of CD's I threw them on a cassette; already had cassette decks home and in car. that's what most people I knew did. Eventually we all threw in the towel and bought CD changers for our cars; in fact, the 1982 Mercedes 300CD and the 911 only have single play CD units in them now. I only use DAT to make live recordings (not for many moons; lack of interest) these days and to play back DATs not yet transferred. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Carl Cobb wrote: > > > > When DAT first came out we chuckled with "what's the point?"....CD's are > > more user friendly and the playback devices are much cheaper and simpler to > > manufacture...more reliable as a result....We figured Sony must have > > warehouses to fill up with inventory ...perhaps warehouses where they once > > stocked BETA stuff. > > > > we figured the only use for DAT was portable audio recording and that is > > what it was (still is for many) primarily used for; it never had any > > attraction for consumers...except for uninformed consumers with too many > > credit cards when the things were rolled out > > I think what killed it in the market place was the > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > for family or friends. > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > technology. > > -- Ron > > > I did manage to pick up a din sized JVC dat player for our VW Westie to play > > the hundreds of Dead tapes I've accumulated on DAT that I've not transferred > > to CD yet..cheap. > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:35:09 AM Central Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << In fact, I just bought a pair of Panasonic SV-3700 DAT machines. > > Needing > > > repair of course. One for me and one for a Naktalk client. I'd rather > > have > > > the old Sony PCM-2500, but the 3700 is also very nice. Last Panasonic > > made > > > that had multi-bit DAC's. >> > > > > > > Yes, we use the Panasonic SV-3700 DAT and I was just curious if anyone > > > recorded music or had one incorporated into their home system. DAT, like > > > mini disc didn't take off, did it? > > > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 23:12:47 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:12:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Region Free DVD for Nakamichi Message-ID: <14c.5d66.28bc11cf@aol.com> Can anyone shed any light on the performance of the Nak DVD players? Are they like the tape decks and the good one's are the older models? Thank you in advance. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 27 23:24:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:24:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c12f3e$a6fc1260$9e90883e@a4s1s2> Hi Sam I occasionally use DAT. I have one of those small Sony portable DAT machines. I tend to think that differences here ( or even hear!!!) are subjective, although I cannot say if there are measurable differences as I have not sought to make that kind of comparison. Moreover, I don't have the finest hearing, having one of the lug 'oles still on my head purely for cosmetic reasons!!! (Otherwise, it doesn't work at all. Right ear is completely dead after supposed nerve damage following Mumps when I was a kid. I therefore rely on a somewhat battered left ear, battered because it has to accept higher than normal volumes so that I can hear what is being said/sung/played/etc..) For example, if I want to record from a digital source, I don't think anything analogue I have beats the DAT in terms of accuracy. I can't hear a difference between the DAT copy from the CD source ... that is, provided I play 'em both through the same outboard DAC. However, I can often hear a difference between the analogue copy and the CD, usually very subtle but still different. I often happen to like that difference, esp. if it's a case of rolling off the digital shrill of one of the worst recorded CDs! Indeed, I have known a few people who do just that - record from CD onto analogue cassette and listen to those copies rather than from the CD because they prefer the sound. Who's to say they are wrong? Mind you, they've not heard a CD played on my bro's Wadia through Naim amps and active Isobarik speakers ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 27 August 2001 06:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk about DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank cassette media. As always, thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 23:45:01 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:45:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:57:46 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << In fact, DAT took off extremely well in the pro audio recording market. It has now been largely supplanted by harddisk recorders, but it is still in wide use. Minidisc took off pretty well in broadcasting. It pretty heavily replaced cart machines for playing commercial spots in radio. >> Thank you. Just seems like with some of the prices of late, a good DAT would be fun to play with. There certainly isn't a shortage of black DAT media. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 23:55:06 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:55:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << I think what killed it in the market place was the Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection of any kind and this completely ruined the format for those that like to make several copies of a compilation for family or friends. Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in technology. -- Ron >> That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the first time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. -SamTheMan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 23:58:38 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:58:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2001 4:24:44 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Mind you, they've not heard a CD played on my bro's Wadia through Naim amps and active Isobarik speakers ... Graham >> I wouldn't mind hear that myself Graham! Thanks for your comments. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 23:58:56 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:58:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <35.19fbb817.28bc1ca0@aol.com> Thank you all for the insight into DAT. I appreciate it. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 00:04:37 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:04:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Do any of you need one these? Nak Dolby C unit for sale Message-ID: <73.121ec31b.28bc1df5@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1267339774 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 01:32:14 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:32:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: Message-ID: <07da01c12f50$bd54e070$9865fea9@D9569601> you can copy all the DATs you desire; just acquire a professional unit that has an AES/EBU interface and you are off to the races. The Tascam models (da20 has defeatable SCMS, too, but not the AES interface; coax only) typically have the AES/EBU (xlr connector) interface. Plugs right into portable DAT with same AES/EBU......as many copies as you want. carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > for family or friends. > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > technology. > > -- Ron >> > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the first > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > -SamTheMan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Aug 28 02:35:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:35:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: Message-ID: <003901c12f59$5cd592e0$61756acf@johnrotten> What's "black DAT media"? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:57:46 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << In fact, DAT took off extremely well in the pro audio recording market. It > has now been largely supplanted by harddisk recorders, but it is still in > wide use. > Minidisc took off pretty well in broadcasting. It pretty heavily replaced > cart machines for playing commercial spots in radio. >> > > > Thank you. Just seems like with some of the prices of late, a good DAT would > be fun to play with. There certainly isn't a shortage of black DAT media. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 28 03:06:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: Message-ID: <0ab001c12f5d$b82ceae0$ae3442cf@sank1> The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy of a COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of your DAT to someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can make infinite copies of the first tape. At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT decks(which were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > raah at concentric.net writes: > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > for family or friends. > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > technology. > > -- Ron >> > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the first > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > -SamTheMan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 28 03:05:00 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <003901c12f59$5cd592e0$61756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <004501c12f5d$77b996c0$0f031fac@brianm> I believe he meant blank media, not black. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > What's "black DAT media"? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 12:57:46 AM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << In fact, DAT took off extremely well in the pro audio recording market. > It > > has now been largely supplanted by harddisk recorders, but it is still in > > wide use. > > Minidisc took off pretty well in broadcasting. It pretty heavily > replaced > > cart machines for playing commercial spots in radio. >> > > > > > > Thank you. Just seems like with some of the prices of late, a good DAT > would > > be fun to play with. There certainly isn't a shortage of black DAT media. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Tue Aug 28 03:12:38 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <0ab001c12f5d$b82ceae0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B8AF006.48842F13@home.com> I have a Sony DTC-1000 that I have used for about 10 years. I love this unit. They had some transport problems at first, liked eating tapes on eject, very bad. But Sony seemed to figure the problem out. It is a fairly large heavy unit, but has never let me down. I use it now for personal use. It was in my studio for quite a while as a mixdown deck. Now we are all hard disk. Rick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Aug 28 03:14:49 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:14:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <20010827.211633.-174017.1.josephj69@juno.com> Stephen, I never heard about this "hidden button"! I have a DTC-59ES. Does mine have such a button??? Thanks, Joe On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy > of a > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > your DAT to > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > make > infinite copies of the first tape. > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > decks(which > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > for family or friends. > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > technology. > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > Not the > first > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > immediate > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > -SamTheMan > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Aug 28 03:16:33 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:16:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <20010827.211633.-174017.2.josephj69@juno.com> Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer grade DDS tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason or another. AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT standard, so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to using it in a DAT machine? - Joe On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy > of a > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > your DAT to > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > make > infinite copies of the first tape. > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > decks(which > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > for family or friends. > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > technology. > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > Not the > first > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > immediate > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > -SamTheMan > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 28 03:34:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:34:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <20010827.211633.-174017.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <0af601c12f61$84ec5ae0$ae3442cf@sank1> The 59ES was a later generation & I do not believe it had the button. But, if you can pop open your remote, which ain't the easiest task, and it has one or two buttons on the rubber membrane that aren't reachable from the outside, try em out! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Stephen, > > I never heard about this "hidden button"! I have a DTC-59ES. Does mine > have such a button??? > > Thanks, > Joe > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy > > of a > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > your DAT to > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > make > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > decks(which > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > technology. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > Not the > > first > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > immediate > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 28 03:36:22 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <20010827.211633.-174017.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <0afc01c12f61$d8a1cc60$ae3442cf@sank1> On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony DAT's in ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a gear/clutch system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn well, making it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT quality difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. But, assumptions need to be tested. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer grade DDS > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason or > another. > > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT standard, > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to using it > in a DAT machine? > > - Joe > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a copy > > of a > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > your DAT to > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > make > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > decks(which > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > technology. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > Not the > > first > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > immediate > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 03:33:40 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <20010827.211633.-174017.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <20010828013340.58250.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Wow. 3 hours. I didn't know they existed! I use computer grade tapes all the time. In fact I don't own any audio grade DAT tapes. They work great! Most of my tapes I either got new from swap meets (cheap, <$2) or they where no longer need software patches distributed on DAT for UNIX systems (free). SJ --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three > hour computer grade DDS > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the > past with no > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them > for some reason or > another. > > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the > consumer DAT standard, > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the > detriment to using it > in a DAT machine? > > - Joe > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > The serial copy management system on DAT only > precludes making a copy > > of a > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you > send a copy of > > your DAT to > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone > else. You can > > make > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony > consumer DAT > > decks(which > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least > the > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable > SCMS. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does > anyone DAT? > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central > Daylight Time, > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place > was the > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even > those > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy > protection > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the > format for > > > those that like to make several copies of a > compilation > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I > think) of > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying > advances in > > > technology. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns > surround SACD. > > Not the > > first > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints > outside of it's > > immediate > > > control. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Aug 28 03:52:22 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:52:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <20010827.220507.-174017.5.josephj69@juno.com> Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads went completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so VISA paid for the new 59ES. As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, MA (they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of a DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This had something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical purposes. Anyone hear this before? - Joe On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony > DAT's in > ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a > gear/clutch > system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn > well, making > it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT > quality > difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. > But, > assumptions need to be tested. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer > grade DDS > > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason > or > > another. > > > > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT > standard, > > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to > using it > > in a DAT machine? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > copy > > > of a > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > > your DAT to > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > > make > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > > decks(which > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > > Not the > > > first > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > > immediate > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Tue Aug 28 04:40:31 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:40:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659B5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Joe, No I haven't heard of this before. IMHO I think that the difference between the two types were simply the grade of tape used. I use quite a lot of DDS units for the servers I look after and sometimes had to repair the units (SONY brand), never have I seen the tape move in a direction other than left to right. The DDS units will often reverse back a few centimetres and then continue (due to hardware compression of the unit) but not up or down. I gave some DDS2 type tapes to a friend of mine to use on his Tascam DAT and he was thrilled over the quality. Try out some DDS tapes if you can get hold of some, if you want any for free (just pay shipping costs) e-mail me privately ( Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au ) and I'll send you some. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com [mailto:josephj69 at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 11:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads went completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so VISA paid for the new 59ES. As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, MA (they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of a DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This had something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical purposes. Anyone hear this before? - Joe On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony > DAT's in > ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a > gear/clutch > system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn > well, making > it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT > quality > difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. > But, > assumptions need to be tested. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer > grade DDS > > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason > or > > another. > > > > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT > standard, > > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to > using it > > in a DAT machine? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > writes: > > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > copy > > > of a > > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > > your DAT to > > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > > make > > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > > decks(which > > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > > for family or friends. > > > > > > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > > technology. > > > > > > > > -- Ron >> > > > > > > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > > Not the > > > first > > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > > immediate > > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > > > > > > -SamTheMan > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 28 05:18:16 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:48:16 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <005b01c12f70$14ce6dc0$42d60192@vsnl> few things that I thought of sharing about DAT. DDS tapes are same with guaranteed error rate and hence with better quality control. Infact we have more than 100s of them here in my office. I could not lay my hands on any DAT player here because it is very rare in India excepting in recording studios and hence very expansive even in the used market ( Infact Tascam Cassette tape decks are costlier in the used market than Nak units including Dragon ! only because it is meant for studio use) I had a chance once to test a sony D7 - I liked the line monitor sound and used the DDS tape to record. It's head had problem and I found the recording was not uniformly allright. Used DAT players are above 800 $ or more here and not easy to see in the market. So I last interest in DAT eventhough the blank medium is available to me almost free. DAT was also destroyed because of one more reason the cost of blank media -Sony foolishly chose the same format but a different shell scheme for 8mm Video - otherwise the tape would have been selling cheap because of mass manufacturing. I should mention the one of the Pioneer DAT home Deck that had 88.2 Khz sampling rate ( the tape time will be half of regular sampling and I do not remember the model ) and it was sounding wonderful because of higher bandwidth -42 or so Khz. Had anybody tried this unit?? It is the fore runner to current 24/ 96 Khz sampling and higher sampling rates. DAT is sure alternate to Cassette but the format was killed by greedy music companies and foolish SONY. SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but when it came to commercialising such products; it failed. kannan -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an >Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads went >completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so >VISA paid for the new 59ES. > >As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, MA >(they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of a >DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This had >something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a >computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the >difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical >purposes. > >Anyone hear this before? > >- Joe > > >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" >writes: >> On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony >> DAT's in >> ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a >> gear/clutch >> system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn >> well, making >> it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT >> quality >> difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. >> But, >> assumptions need to be tested. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >> >> >> > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer >> grade DDS >> > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no >> > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason >> or >> > another. >> > >> > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT >> standard, >> > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to >> using it >> > in a DAT machine? >> > >> > - Joe >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" >> >> > writes: >> > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a >> copy >> > > of a >> > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of >> > > your DAT to >> > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can >> > > make >> > > infinite copies of the first tape. >> > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT >> > > decks(which >> > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the >> > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a >> > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. >> > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > > http://stephensank.com >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >> > > >> > > >> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, >> > > > raah at concentric.net writes: >> > > > >> > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the >> > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those >> > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection >> > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for >> > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation >> > > > for family or friends. >> > > > >> > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of >> > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in >> > > > technology. >> > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> >> > > > >> > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. >> > > Not the >> > > first >> > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's >> > > immediate >> > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. >> > > > >> > > > -SamTheMan >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -== >> > > ======= >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi >> Cassette >> > > Deck >> > > resource. >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -== >> > > ======= >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> > > Deck resource. >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > >> > >> >========----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -========= >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________ >> > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >> > Join Juno today! 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Message-ID: <139.bdb30b.28bc7ae2@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2001 8:05:23 PM Central Daylight Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << I believe he meant blank media, not black. Brian Miller Michigan >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 06:40:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:40:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <128.3bf48d8.28bc7abe@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2001 7:39:15 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << What's "black DAT media"? >> That should read "blank" DAT media. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 06:42:07 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:42:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <114.3cde194.28bc7b1f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2001 8:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, audioguy1 at Home.com writes: << I use it now for personal use. It was in my studio for quite a while as a mixdown deck. Now we are all hard disk. Rick >> Hi Rick, What made you decide to transition to hard disk? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 06:47:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:47:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <10e.48f6a12.28bc7c52@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2001 10:38:09 PM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but when it came to commercialising such products; it failed. kannan >> Yes, it does appear that many mediums have been destroyed due to the greed of the larger companies. Let's hope this doesn't happen to SACD. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 28 06:43:11 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:13:11 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <007d01c12f7b$f155cee0$42d60192@vsnl> Sam already SACD is dead - I think I am right? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >In a message dated 8/27/2001 10:38:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > ><< SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but when > it came to commercialising such products; it failed. > kannan >> > >Yes, it does appear that many mediums have been destroyed due to the greed of >the larger companies. Let's hope this doesn't happen to SACD. > >-Sam >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 07:06:59 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:06:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:05:56 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam already SACD is dead - I think I am right? Kannan >> No, it is poised for a large consumer "push." The down economy has delayed the release, but I'm sure you'll be hearing more about it soon. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 06:55:57 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:55:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <005b01c12f70$14ce6dc0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <088e01c12f82$25a77530$9865fea9@D9569601> Why does anyone other than someone with portable live recording needs want DAT? Help me out here. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > few things that I thought of sharing about DAT. > > DDS tapes are same with guaranteed error rate and hence with better quality > control. Infact we have more than 100s of them here in my office. I could > not lay my hands on any DAT player here because it is very rare in India > excepting in recording studios and hence very expansive even in the used > market ( Infact Tascam Cassette tape decks are costlier in the used market > than Nak units including Dragon ! only because it is meant for studio use) > I had a chance once to test a sony D7 - I liked the line monitor sound and > used the DDS tape to record. It's head had problem and I found the recording > was not uniformly allright. Used DAT players are above 800 $ or more here > and not easy to see in the market. So I last interest in DAT eventhough the > blank medium is available to me almost free. > > DAT was also destroyed because of one more reason the cost of blank > media -Sony foolishly chose the same format but a different shell scheme for > 8mm Video - otherwise the tape would have been selling cheap because of mass > manufacturing. > > I should mention the one of the Pioneer DAT home Deck that had 88.2 Khz > sampling rate ( the tape time will be half of regular sampling and I do not > remember the model ) and it was sounding wonderful because of higher > bandwidth -42 or so Khz. > Had anybody tried this unit?? > > It is the fore runner to current 24/ 96 Khz sampling and higher sampling > rates. > DAT is sure alternate to Cassette but the format was killed by greedy music > companies and foolish SONY. > SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but when > it came to commercialising such products; it failed. > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: josephj69 at juno.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > >Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an > >Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads went > >completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so > >VISA paid for the new 59ES. > > > >As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, MA > >(they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of a > >DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This had > >something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a > >computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the > >difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical > >purposes. > > > >Anyone hear this before? > > > >- Joe > > > > > >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > >writes: > >> On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony > >> DAT's in > >> ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a > >> gear/clutch > >> system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn > >> well, making > >> it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT > >> quality > >> difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. > >> But, > >> assumptions need to be tested. > >> > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> http://stephensank.com > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > >> > >> > >> > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer > >> grade DDS > >> > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > >> > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason > >> or > >> > another. > >> > > >> > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT > >> standard, > >> > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to > >> using it > >> > in a DAT machine? > >> > > >> > - Joe > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > >> > >> > writes: > >> > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > >> copy > >> > > of a > >> > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > >> > > your DAT to > >> > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > >> > > make > >> > > infinite copies of the first tape. > >> > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > >> > > decks(which > >> > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > >> > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > >> > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > >> > > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > > http://stephensank.com > >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: > >> > > To: > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > >> > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > >> > > > > >> > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > >> > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > >> > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > >> > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > >> > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > >> > > > for family or friends. > >> > > > > >> > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > >> > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > >> > > > technology. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> > >> > > > > >> > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > >> > > Not the > >> > > first > >> > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > >> > > immediate > >> > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > >> > > > > >> > > > -SamTheMan > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -== > >> > > ======= > >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > >> Cassette > >> > > Deck > >> > > resource. > >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -== > >> > > ======= > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -========= > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >> > > Deck resource. > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -========= > >> > > >> > ________________________________________________________________ > >> > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >> > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >> > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 28 11:03:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:03:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <007d01c12f7b$f155cee0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <0bda01c12fa0$5f8f8a80$ae3442cf@sank1> SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the Beta/VHS fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs 4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution of Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers for the format, although she will not admit it in public! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Sam > already SACD is dead - I think I am right? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > >In a message dated 8/27/2001 10:38:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > >kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: > > > ><< SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but > when > > it came to commercialising such products; it failed. > > kannan >> > > > >Yes, it does appear that many mediums have been destroyed due to the greed > of > >the larger companies. Let's hope this doesn't happen to SACD. > > > >-Sam > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 28 11:08:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:08:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <005b01c12f70$14ce6dc0$42d60192@vsnl> <088e01c12f82$25a77530$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0be001c12fa1$0bc22ec0$ae3442cf@sank1> In the recording industry, DAT became instantly popular as a method of transferring a U-matic PCM-4400 3/4 digital master to an easily transportable format, to take to another studio, or to take home as a reference copy. Or vice-versa, an affordable mixdown format for the small or home studio to take to a CD pressing or mastering facility. It is still serving these capacities in perhaps still a majority of studios. There certainly are only a small minority of studios that do NOT have a DAT machine, or 3 or 4, in house currently. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Why does anyone other than someone with portable live recording needs want > DAT? Help me out here. > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > few things that I thought of sharing about DAT. > > > > DDS tapes are same with guaranteed error rate and hence with better > quality > > control. Infact we have more than 100s of them here in my office. I could > > not lay my hands on any DAT player here because it is very rare in India > > excepting in recording studios and hence very expansive even in the used > > market ( Infact Tascam Cassette tape decks are costlier in the used market > > than Nak units including Dragon ! only because it is meant for studio use) > > I had a chance once to test a sony D7 - I liked the line monitor sound and > > used the DDS tape to record. It's head had problem and I found the > recording > > was not uniformly allright. Used DAT players are above 800 $ or more here > > and not easy to see in the market. So I last interest in DAT eventhough > the > > blank medium is available to me almost free. > > > > DAT was also destroyed because of one more reason the cost of blank > > media -Sony foolishly chose the same format but a different shell scheme > for > > 8mm Video - otherwise the tape would have been selling cheap because of > mass > > manufacturing. > > > > I should mention the one of the Pioneer DAT home Deck that had 88.2 Khz > > sampling rate ( the tape time will be half of regular sampling and I do > not > > remember the model ) and it was sounding wonderful because of higher > > bandwidth -42 or so Khz. > > Had anybody tried this unit?? > > > > It is the fore runner to current 24/ 96 Khz sampling and higher sampling > > rates. > > DAT is sure alternate to Cassette but the format was killed by greedy > music > > companies and foolish SONY. > > SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but > when > > it came to commercialising such products; it failed. > > kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: josephj69 at juno.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > >Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an > > >Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads went > > >completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so > > >VISA paid for the new 59ES. > > > > > >As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, MA > > >(they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of a > > >DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This had > > >something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a > > >computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the > > >difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical > > >purposes. > > > > > >Anyone hear this before? > > > > > >- Joe > > > > > > > > >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > >writes: > > >> On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony > > >> DAT's in > > >> ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a > > >> gear/clutch > > >> system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn > > >> well, making > > >> it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT > > >> quality > > >> difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. > > >> But, > > >> assumptions need to be tested. > > >> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >> http://stephensank.com > > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > >> > > >> > > >> > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer > > >> grade DDS > > >> > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > > >> > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason > > >> or > > >> > another. > > >> > > > >> > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT > > >> standard, > > >> > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to > > >> using it > > >> > in a DAT machine? > > >> > > > >> > - Joe > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > >> > > >> > writes: > > >> > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > >> copy > > >> > > of a > > >> > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > >> > > your DAT to > > >> > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > >> > > make > > >> > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > >> > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > >> > > decks(which > > >> > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > >> > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > >> > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > >> > > > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >> > > http://stephensank.com > > >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: > > >> > > To: > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > >> > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > >> > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > >> > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > >> > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > >> > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > >> > > > for family or friends. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > >> > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > >> > > > technology. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > >> > > Not the > > >> > > first > > >> > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > >> > > immediate > > >> > > > control. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 28 13:01:14 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:31:14 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <001201c12fb0$c2723a20$42d60192@vsnl> The point is that this new format should do something radically different at same level of CD pricing) rather than offering expansive alternative to CD. Consumers do not care whether he/ she listens thru some boom box or some mp3 player today. Unfortunately the software is very expansive even compared to DVD which offers a movie at half the price of 1 hr audio I think DVD Audio might survive as a lower price alternative if Music distributers release titles without really doing any great enhancement at lower prices- anyway consumers are not going to bother about quality. That will be CD in new format playable on Cheap multi format DVD players. My feeling is SACD is almost dead without software - SONY is desperate with 300$ multiformat players in the markets. Where is SACD first player with switch to restrict bandwidth / unthinkable price and now players with such low prices ? What are they conveying by this marketing strategy? I do not mind getting 600 $ Museatex Bidat ( or its Idat ) to this SACD Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just >too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better >formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of >new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the Beta/VHS >fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed >beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs >4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution of >Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about >fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers >for the format, although she will not admit it in public! > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Aug 28 14:43:31 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:43:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <005b01c12f70$14ce6dc0$42d60192@vsnl> <088e01c12f82$25a77530$9865fea9@D9569601> <0be001c12fa1$0bc22ec0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006e01c12fbf$0b42f100$4f756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Any luck finishing our DAT's yet? I just got a Simon & Garfunkel 7 1/2ips. copy of Bookends for $9.99 Do you think there is a 7 1/2ips. version of Bridge O. T. Waters? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In the recording industry, DAT became instantly popular as a method of > transferring a U-matic PCM-4400 3/4 digital master to an easily > transportable format, to take to another studio, or to take home as a > reference copy. Or vice-versa, an affordable mixdown format for the small > or home studio to take to a CD pressing or mastering facility. It is still > serving these capacities in perhaps still a majority of studios. There > certainly are only a small minority of studios that do NOT have a DAT > machine, or 3 or 4, in house currently. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > Why does anyone other than someone with portable live recording needs want > > DAT? Help me out here. > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kannan. S" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > few things that I thought of sharing about DAT. > > > > > > DDS tapes are same with guaranteed error rate and hence with better > > quality > > > control. Infact we have more than 100s of them here in my office. I > could > > > not lay my hands on any DAT player here because it is very rare in India > > > excepting in recording studios and hence very expansive even in the used > > > market ( Infact Tascam Cassette tape decks are costlier in the used > market > > > than Nak units including Dragon ! only because it is meant for studio > use) > > > I had a chance once to test a sony D7 - I liked the line monitor sound > and > > > used the DDS tape to record. It's head had problem and I found the > > recording > > > was not uniformly allright. Used DAT players are above 800 $ or more > here > > > and not easy to see in the market. So I last interest in DAT eventhough > > the > > > blank medium is available to me almost free. > > > > > > DAT was also destroyed because of one more reason the cost of blank > > > media -Sony foolishly chose the same format but a different shell scheme > > for > > > 8mm Video - otherwise the tape would have been selling cheap because of > > mass > > > manufacturing. > > > > > > I should mention the one of the Pioneer DAT home Deck that had 88.2 Khz > > > sampling rate ( the tape time will be half of regular sampling and I do > > not > > > remember the model ) and it was sounding wonderful because of higher > > > bandwidth -42 or so Khz. > > > Had anybody tried this unit?? > > > > > > It is the fore runner to current 24/ 96 Khz sampling and higher sampling > > > rates. > > > DAT is sure alternate to Cassette but the format was killed by greedy > > music > > > companies and foolish SONY. > > > SONY being the best designer of beautiful formats like Betacam etc but > > when > > > it came to commercialising such products; it failed. > > > kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: josephj69 at juno.com > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > > > >Nice to know I ended up with decent unit after all. I started with an > > > >Onkyo Integra 901 or something. It lasted 6 months, then the heads > went > > > >completely out of line. A new head cost more than the whole unit, so > > > >VISA paid for the new 59ES. > > > > > > > >As for the DDS thing, someone who worked for KAO digital in Plymouth, > MA > > > >(they make mediocre DDS tape, CD-Rs, etc.) told me the plastic shell of > a > > > >DDS tape is just sligtly thinner (or narrower) than a DAT tape. This > had > > > >something to do with allowing the DDS tape some room to move in a > > > >computer transport for some reason or another. The guy said the > > > >difference is a matter of microns, and totally irrelevant for practical > > > >purposes. > > > > > > > >Anyone hear this before? > > > > > > > >- Joe > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:36:22 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > >writes: > > > >> On the long tapes issue, your 59ES was superior to the earlier Sony > > > >> DAT's in > > > >> ONLY one way: It has direct drive reel motors, rather than a > > > >> gear/clutch > > > >> system off the capstan motor. So, it can pull tape really damn > > > >> well, making > > > >> it a safe bet for using 3 hour tapes. No idea of the DDS/AudioDAT > > > >> quality > > > >> difference, but one would assume it would be lower error rates. > > > >> But, > > > >> assumptions need to be tested. > > > >> > > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >> http://stephensank.com > > > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: > > > >> To: > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:16 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Another DAT question. Has anyone used the three hour computer > > > >> grade DDS > > > >> > tapes in their DAT machines? I've used them in the past with no > > > >> > problems, but I have read warnings not to use them for some reason > > > >> or > > > >> > another. > > > >> > > > > >> > AFAIK, the DDS quality standard is higher than the consumer DAT > > > >> standard, > > > >> > so DDS is actually better tape. What would be the detriment to > > > >> using it > > > >> > in a DAT machine? > > > >> > > > > >> > - Joe > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > > >> > > > >> > writes: > > > >> > > The serial copy management system on DAT only precludes making a > > > >> copy > > > >> > > of a > > > >> > > COPY of an original DAT. Only a hindrance if you send a copy of > > > >> > > your DAT to > > > >> > > someone & they want to copy that copy for someone else. You can > > > >> > > make > > > >> > > infinite copies of the first tape. > > > >> > > At least the first couple of generations of Sony consumer DAT > > > >> > > decks(which > > > >> > > were the only good ones anyway), up to at least the > > > >> > > DTC-75ES/DTC-700, had a > > > >> > > hidden button inside the remote that would disable SCMS. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >> > > http://stephensank.com > > > >> > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > From: > > > >> > > To: > > > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:55 PM > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:08:56 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > >> > > > raah at concentric.net writes: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > << I think what killed it in the market place was the > > > >> > > > Serial Copy Protection scheme. Consumers (even those > > > >> > > > that normally shouldn't mind) dislike copy protection > > > >> > > > of any kind and this completely ruined the format for > > > >> > > > those that like to make several copies of a compilation > > > >> > > > for family or friends. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Another example (actually, the first one, I think) of > > > >> > > > the content providers' paranoia destroying advances in > > > >> > > > technology. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -- Ron >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. > > > >> > > Not the > > > >> > > first > > > >> > > > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's > > > >> > > immediate > > > >> > > > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -SamTheMan > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > -== > > > >> > > ======= > > > >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > >> Cassette > > > >> > > Deck > > > >> > > resource. > > > >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > -== > > > >> > > ======= > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > -========= > > > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > >> > > Deck resource. > > > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >> > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > -========= > > > >> > > > > >> > ________________________________________________________________ > > > >> > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > >> > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > >> > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Aug 28 15:37:34 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:37:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: Two good posts from Stephen and Kannan that encapsulate the public's "condition"..........they don't care about newer formats than CD (they are quite keen on vinyl in some markets, witness a significant revival in Britain) and they can't hear any difference between MP3 and CD(clear evidence of deafness), so how they could hear a difference between CD and SACD or DVD-A I wouln't know. The average micro/midi setup almost seems as if it's styled in order to distract the listener from the sound in case they happen to notice that it sounds appalling. What seems very important (or so the marketers think) is the cuteness of the gadget that makes the music - like Rio's, Yepps and a plethora of minidisc players. Not to mention Sony's new memory stick bits and pieces. Sony sure has a reputation (along with Philips) of throwing stacks of R&D cash in the direction of faddish ideas made possible by supposed technical advances. I wonder what it is that they drink in their boardrooms. Human taste, consumer behaviour, and sheer back breaking market research take a back seat to what they think they can con the public into swallowing. As for MP3 and any other compression, as far as I am concerned, they are not so much technical advancement as technical applications to serve expedient outcomes. Although reproduced music will always be a sonic version of Star Trek's "hollow deck", these are hollow decks with plastic furniture, artificial plants and inflatable people. Marc >>> kannan_s at vsnl.com 08/28/01 01:01PM >>> The point is that this new format should do something radically different at same level of CD pricing) rather than offering expansive alternative to CD. Consumers do not care whether he/ she listens thru some boom box or some mp3 player today. Unfortunately the software is very expansive even compared to DVD which offers a movie at half the price of 1 hr audio I think DVD Audio might survive as a lower price alternative if Music distributers release titles without really doing any great enhancement at lower prices- anyway consumers are not going to bother about quality. That will be CD in new format playable on Cheap multi format DVD players. My feeling is SACD is almost dead without software - SONY is desperate with 300$ multiformat players in the markets. Where is SACD first player with switch to restrict bandwidth / unthinkable price and now players with such low prices ? What are they conveying by this marketing strategy? I do not mind getting 600 $ Museatex Bidat ( or its Idat ) to this SACD Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? >SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just >too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better >formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of >new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the Beta/VHS >fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed >beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs >4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution of >Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about >fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers >for the format, although she will not admit it in public! > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Aug 28 16:34:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:34:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <001201c12fb0$c2723a20$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3B8BABE2.A848C92D@concentric.net> In the US, the segment of the buying public that understands (let alone, cares) about the competing formats (CD, HDCD, SACD, DVD-A) is rather small. Most consumers are sick and tired of format wars and paying through the nose for expensive equipment that could potentially become costly paper weights in a short time. Even the small potential customer base is fragmented. There is the purist group, that prefer 2 channels to multichannel and are therefore suspicious of DVD-A and SACD. Add to this the general feeling about copy protection -- even if easy to defeat, most people do not want to deal with it. I noticed a few DVD-A discs in Best-Buy (there's a misnomer for you), marked at $25 a pop. There was nothing in there I'd care to listen to, regardless of sound effects. If there was, I could get the same thing on CD for less than half. With the general poor economy (a bad time for people to take a chance on risky purchases), the bottom line is that the general buying public is sitting on the fence, waiting to see which technology pans out. I don't mind revealing that this is exactly my personal attitude. The exact attitude that has me DAT-less to this day... -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > The point is that this new format should do something radically different > at same level of CD pricing) rather than offering expansive alternative to > CD. Consumers do not care whether he/ she listens thru some boom box or some > mp3 player today. > Unfortunately the software is very expansive even compared to DVD which > offers a movie at half the price of 1 hr audio > I think DVD Audio might survive as a lower price alternative if Music > distributers release titles without really doing any great enhancement at > lower prices- anyway consumers are not going to bother about quality. That > will be CD in new format playable on Cheap multi format DVD players. > My feeling is SACD is almost dead without software - SONY is desperate with > 300$ multiformat players in the markets. Where is SACD first player with > switch to restrict bandwidth / unthinkable price and now players with such > low prices ? What are they conveying by this marketing strategy? > I do not mind getting 600 $ Museatex Bidat ( or its Idat ) to this SACD > > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > >SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just > >too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better > >formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of > >new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the > Beta/VHS > >fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed > >beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs > >4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution > of > >Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about > >fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers > >for the format, although she will not admit it in public! > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at Home.com Tue Aug 28 16:50:08 2001 From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:50:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <114.3cde194.28bc7b1f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8BAFA0.7423FC12@home.com> We were using 3 adats and then importing it into the computer for editing and some fx processing, so we decided to skip the tape format all together and record straight to the computer. We now are using a ProTools Digi 001 system on a G4 Mac. Only had it for about 2 months now, but so far very happy with the results. Rick SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/27/2001 8:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, > audioguy1 at Home.com writes: > > << I use it now for personal use. It was in my studio for quite a while as a > mixdown > deck. Now we are all hard disk. > > Rick > >> > > Hi Rick, > > What made you decide to transition to hard disk? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 28 13:10:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:10:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Assessment References: Message-ID: <001101c12fd8$223aba00$47289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marcus, I usually bring a small flashlight (and a magnifying glass on army knife) to look at head condition whether it's still in good condition / 'pointy' or worn out - relatively flatter edge. But that's me and my 70's / early 80's Naks. Usually no worry on newer CR decks as long as it plays good. Remaining life for Naks ? with proper care (belt roller contact cleaner) even my 482 will last for another decade I believe. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] Assessment Hi naktalkers, does anyone have some tips on this? What are the checkpoints for quick testing of a second hand tapedeck? I have found that this is not very easy in a shop or at a sellers house... The obvious things to do are of course: 1. Playback a known good recording, checking wow and tonebalance. 2. Record and Play something from the sellers source, checking for diffs. These tests will reveal if the machine works or not, but might not tell anything about the remaining life of the machine! What are the important items to check, and how do You do it? Thankful for comments, Marcus Rosén, Stockholm Sweden. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 28 18:19:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:19:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <088e01c12f82$25a77530$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <000001c12fdd$4595af00$86c4893e@a4s1s2> Carl Well, there was a time (in the UK at least) when DAT tapes were very competitively priced against metal cassette, while many enthusiasts thought that a relatively "cheap" DAT machine could outperform a more expensive analogue recorder. That also coincided with the collapse of DAT prices, which occurred before analogue cassette machines fell. I recall, for example, £1200 semi Pro' DAT machines selling here for £500 while Nakamichi was still flogging Dragon's at about £1300. Since then, of course, the price of analogue metal has collapsed in comparison with DAT which seems to have held a premium priced value presumably because of their other use in the PC world, for backing up hard drives. Personally, I have a small DAT, which I bought for less than the local market price, because I have a DAT master of a famous Russian jazz musician that I particularly like - he had given the tape to my wife but I had nothing to play it on. We also got a few more DATs given us from other Russian jazz players when we made a one-off radio programme for the UK jazz station, Jazz FM. Now I can play 'em all! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 28 August 2001 05:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Why does anyone other than someone with portable live recording needs want DAT? Help me out here. Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:33:05 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:33:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Assessment Message-ID: <12c.3c3cb92.28bd21c1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 10:51:26 AM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Marcus, I usually bring a small flashlight (and a magnifying glass on army knife) to look at head condition whether it's still in good condition / 'pointy' or worn out - relatively flatter edge. But that's me and my 70's / early 80's Naks. Usually no worry on newer CR decks as long as it plays good. Remaining life for Naks ? with proper care (belt roller contact cleaner) even my 482 will last for another decade I believe. Best regards, Salim SM >> Great point Salim. My BX-150 has lasted 14 years, and with routine maintenance will easily last another 10 years. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:35:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:35:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <54.19ec0ee8.28bd223c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 11:20:27 AM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << ...because I have a DAT master of a famous Russian jazz musician that I particularly like - he had given the tape to my wife but I had nothing to play it on. >> Hi Graham, So how would you rate the sound of this DAT? Superior to a well done cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:56:43 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:56:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:02:23 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the Beta/VHS fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs 4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution of Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers for the format, although she will not admit it in public! >> I'm not a proponent or enemy of SACD, but I do like what is being called DVD-A. I would highly recommend reading this month's TAS article "Stereo vs. 5.1" I would tend to agree with those marketing "camps" that believe the "wow" factor of CD is over and in a depressed economy, consumers are not willing to invest in new equipment (SACD requires surround sound for optimum playback) and pay upwards of $25.00 a disc, especially when CD-R's are less than .20 cents each. Much has happened since the introduction of the CD, and although many of the parallels to the CD launch do apply to SACD, I haven't seen the interest that both Sony and Phillips has. But I haven't conducted any focus groups either. We'll see, both Sony and Phillips are huge corporations. One final note, the gentlemen responsible for digital product development was named marketer of the year by one of the trade publications. Interesting, mini disc was one of his products. The mini disc was launched and relaunched 6 times and is still struggling. I pray that the future of digital music and digital media doesn't fall as others have in the past as I believe we haven't fully exploited this media. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:58:25 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:58:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <8b.b96e16d.28bd27b1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:07:55 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << In the recording industry, DAT became instantly popular as a method of transferring a U-matic PCM-4400 3/4 digital master to an easily transportable format, to take to another studio, or to take home as a reference copy. Or vice-versa, an affordable mixdown format for the small or home studio to take to a CD pressing or mastering facility. It is still serving these capacities in perhaps still a majority of studios. There certainly are only a small minority of studios that do NOT have a DAT machine, or 3 or 4, in house currently. >> This is true. Although it seems like more and more houses are now burning to CD-R to accomplish the same purpose. I don't know, it might be nice to own a DAT but I really don't need one. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 28 19:02:24 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:02:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c12fe3$355aa860$86c4893e@a4s1s2> That's not quite right. What you can't do is copy a copy of a CD IF the Serial Copy Protection is on-line. So, if you made a DAT tape of a concert that you attended you should be able to make as many copies of that as you liked. However, some DAT's have switchable SCP - you can switch 'em on or off. These are generally very expensive pro machines. Also, if you look in the right places on the Web you'll also find plenty of places which tell you how to get around SCP, often by fairly simple bypass circuits that circumvent the SCP circuit. Graham - That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the first time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. -SamTheMan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 28 19:02:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:02:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c12fe3$3759d3c0$86c4893e@a4s1s2> Indeed, a Sharp SACD has only just been released onto the UK market. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 28 August 2001 06:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:05:56 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Sam already SACD is dead - I think I am right? Kannan >> No, it is poised for a large consumer "push." The down economy has delayed the release, but I'm sure you'll be hearing more about it soon. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 28 19:02:29 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:02:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c12fe3$385598e0$86c4893e@a4s1s2> LOL! You know, things don't change! Reading back this excellent summary I was reminded of a broadcast I heard only just a few days ago, whereon a letter of a famous classical composer (might have been Elgar or Rakmaninov) complaining about that new bit of technology, the "wireless", which he derided for its inability to reproduce the full range of tones that one would hear at a live concert. It is, he commented, an instrument for the de-education of the masses which would deafen them to full richness of real, live music. 80 years later ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 28 August 2001 14:38 To: naktalk at naks.com; kannan_s at vsnl.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Two good posts from Stephen and Kannan that encapsulate the public's "condition"..........they don't care about newer formats than CD (they are quite keen on vinyl in some markets, witness a significant revival in Britain) and they can't hear any difference between MP3 and CD(clear evidence of deafness), so how they could hear a difference between CD and SACD or DVD-A I wouln't know. The average micro/midi setup almost seems as if it's styled in order to distract the listener from the sound in case they happen to notice that it sounds appalling. What seems very important (or so the marketers think) is the cuteness of the gadget that makes the music - like Rio's, Yepps and a plethora of minidisc players. Not to mention Sony's new memory stick bits and pieces. Sony sure has a reputation (along with Philips) of throwing stacks of R&D cash in the direction of faddish ideas made possible by supposed technical advances. I wonder what it is that they drink in their boardrooms. Human taste, consumer behaviour, and sheer back breaking market research take a back seat to what they think they can con the public into swallowing. As for MP3 and any other compression, as far as I am concerned, they are not so much technical advancement as technical applications to serve expedient outcomes. Although reproduced music will always be a sonic version of Star Trek's "hollow deck", these are hollow decks with plastic furniture, artificial plants and inflatable people. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 19:06:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:06:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <8b.b96e16e.28bd297c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 6:20:54 AM Central Daylight Time, kannan_s at vsnl.com writes: << Where is SACD first player with switch to restrict bandwidth / unthinkable price and now players with such low prices ? What are they conveying by this marketing strategy? I do not mind getting 600 $ Museatex Bidat ( or its Idat ) to this SACD >> Hi Kannan, Keep in mind that all SACD's contain a regular CD layer. Therefore making SACD's backwards compatible with existing CD players in the market. That is where Sony and Phillips are willing to gamble. Again, on the surface (because I am not involved with this product or it's launch so all I have is what I read) it appears that their major motivation is profit and greed, not sound quality. This is a new product designed to squeeze more money out of the existing CD market. As a marketing professional, if done correctly it could work, but it appears that timing is everything and SACD is suffering from some of the same issues that hindered beta to some degree. BTW - anyone on this list have any thoughts regarding the "silent" introduction of copy-proof CD's that have been released into the market? The record company execs are saying that moving forward (once these disc are "officially" introduced) that you will no longer be able to "rip" a track from a CD directly to your hard drive. And, that these CD's will contain a MP3-esch/compressed version of the same songs but at a higher quality for playing on portable devices. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 19:07:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:07:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <108.4908650.28bd29dc@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 7:46:25 AM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << I just got a Simon & Garfunkel 7 1/2ips. copy of Bookends for $9.99 Do you think there is a 7 1/2ips. version of Bridge O. T. Waters? John >> Hi John, Are those reel-to-reel recordings? If yes, where did you find them? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 19:12:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:12:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <88.b92f230.28bd2b1a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 8:41:27 AM Central Daylight Time, Mhugo at sunint.co.za writes: << What seems very important (or so the marketers think) is the cuteness of the gadget that makes the music - like Rio's, Yepps and a plethora of minidisc players. Not to mention Sony's new memory stick bits and pieces. Sony sure has a reputation (along with Philips) of throwing stacks of R&D cash in the direction of faddish ideas made possible by supposed technical advances. I wonder what it is that they drink in their boardrooms. Human taste, consumer behaviour, and sheer back breaking market research take a back seat to what they think they can con the public into swallowing. >> Interesting comments...keep in mind that we are in an era of what I'll call "transparent sound systems." And by that I mean that the current direction in home decorum and interior design is to have the music and television hidden, as opposed to being the centerpiece of the room. (and I'm not an interior designer, and this trend has been in place for some time so please don't flame me if you're a designer). To that end, the smaller, thinner, more invisible the devices are the better. And, generally smaller, thinner devices come at the price of sound degradation. I know it's a generality, but I'd put my Polk's up against the best B&O speaker any day. And I LIKE the B&O gear. Any thoughts on this trend to invisibility? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 19:17:33 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:17:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <147.a6c2a1.28bd2c2d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 9:36:57 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << In the US, the segment of the buying public that understands (let alone, cares) about the competing formats (CD, HDCD, SACD, DVD-A) is rather small. Most consumers are sick and tired of format wars and paying through the nose for expensive equipment that could potentially become costly paper weights in a short time. Even the small potential customer base is fragmented. There is the purist group, that prefer 2 channels to multichannel and are therefore suspicious of DVD-A and SACD. Add to this the general feeling about copy protection -- even if easy to defeat, most people do not want to deal with it. I noticed a few DVD-A discs in Best-Buy (there's a misnomer for you), marked at $25 a pop. There was nothing in there I'd care to listen to, regardless of sound effects. If there was, I could get the same thing on CD for less than half. With the general poor economy (a bad time for people to take a chance on risky purchases), the bottom line is that the general buying public is sitting on the fence, waiting to see which technology pans out. I don't mind revealing that this is exactly my personal attitude. The exact attitude that has me DAT-less to this day... -- Ron >> Good points Ron! Excellent. You know, with a little ingenuity (and this applies to that small group you referenced and not the public at large), you can enjoy DVD-A or 24 bit/96 kHz either via a PC soundcard upgrade, or purchase of a stand-alone player. And, there are DVD players that can read 24 bit/96 kHz discs. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 19:39:46 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:39:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <000101c12fe3$355aa860$86c4893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <08d101c12fe8$7c6386a0$9865fea9@D9569601> Last time I checked you can purchase a TASCAM DA-20 DAT recorder for much less than a grand; it has switchable SCMS (ie, you can defeat the damn scheme) much cheaper than the high end naks were in their heyday carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > That's not quite right. What you can't do is copy a copy of a CD IF the > Serial Copy Protection is on-line. So, if you made a DAT tape of a concert > that you attended you should be able to make as many copies of that as you > liked. However, some DAT's have switchable SCP - you can switch 'em on or > off. These are generally very expensive pro machines. Also, if you look in > the right places on the Web you'll also find plenty of places which tell you > how to get around SCP, often by fairly simple bypass circuits that > circumvent the SCP circuit. > > Graham > > - > > That's interesting as many of the same concerns surround SACD. Not the > first > time a technology suffered due to constraints outside of it's immediate > control. I didn't realize you couldn't copy DATs. > > -SamTheMan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 19:42:34 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:42:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: Message-ID: <08db01c12fe8$dfa141d0$9865fea9@D9569601> My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche medium. My thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with various home theatre setups for years. What do we listen to our movies with now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended amp through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel arrangement. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:02:23 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << SACD is barely gasping for breath. The public at large, I believe, is just > too damn happy with CD(and, god forbid, MP3) to give a damn about better > formats, DVD-A, SACD or whatever. And I think people have a deep fear of > new going into new formats, which I believe actually began with the Beta/VHS > fiasco(it was RCA's big push of "8 hour recording time" that really killed > beta. Nevermind the fact that it was 8 hours of unwatchably bad video, vs > 4.5 hours of decent video. Incidentally, 8mm/Hi8 is the direct evolution of > Beta/EDbeta.). Anybody remember the RCA CED videodisc format? Talk about > fiascos. A very good friend of mine was one of the development engineers > for the format, although she will not admit it in public! >> > > I'm not a proponent or enemy of SACD, but I do like what is being called > DVD-A. I would highly recommend reading this month's TAS article "Stereo vs. > 5.1" I would tend to agree with those marketing "camps" that believe the > "wow" factor of CD is over and in a depressed economy, consumers are not > willing to invest in new equipment (SACD requires surround sound for optimum > playback) and pay upwards of $25.00 a disc, especially when CD-R's are less > than .20 cents each. Much has happened since the introduction of the CD, and > although many of the parallels to the CD launch do apply to SACD, I haven't > seen the interest that both Sony and Phillips has. But I haven't conducted > any focus groups either. We'll see, both Sony and Phillips are huge > corporations. One final note, the gentlemen responsible for digital product > development was named marketer of the year by one of the trade publications. > Interesting, mini disc was one of his products. The mini disc was launched > and relaunched 6 times and is still struggling. I pray that the future of > digital music and digital media doesn't fall as others have in the past as I > believe we haven't fully exploited this media. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 19:52:26 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:52:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <38.1b000d58.28bd345a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:44:22 PM Central Daylight Time, c123666 at earthlink.net writes: << My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche medium. My thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with various home theater setups for years. What do we listen to our movies with now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended amp through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel arrangement. Carl >> Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your comments above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many years now. While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the soundstage was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my TV's speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this application. (mono speaker) One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the signal into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music that I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. Is there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) to expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've heard this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to 2-channel. And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel speaker, the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Aug 28 20:18:38 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <8b.b96e16d.28bd27b1@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8BE07E.5DDD80FF@telcel.net.ve> I have owned a DAT machine for more than 8 years now and even though I hardly use it I believe it is a great system. Here in Venezuela I konow most of the recording studios own 2 or 3 machines and music producers here love the system. Maybe having one at home for regular people is not necessary but I agree with some of you guys regarding the SACD; it may sound great but regular people are really happy with the CD which is better now than 5 or 10 years ago and I don't think people would like to change their whole cd collection for a SACD format. Isy SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:07:55 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << In the recording industry, DAT became instantly popular as a method of > transferring a U-matic PCM-4400 3/4 digital master to an easily > transportable format, to take to another studio, or to take home as a > reference copy. Or vice-versa, an affordable mixdown format for the small > or home studio to take to a CD pressing or mastering facility. It is still > serving these capacities in perhaps still a majority of studios. There > certainly are only a small minority of studios that do NOT have a DAT > machine, or 3 or 4, in house currently. > >> > > This is true. Although it seems like more and more houses are now burning to > CD-R to accomplish the same purpose. I don't know, it might be nice to own a > DAT but I really don't need one. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:02:58 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:02:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> Message-ID: Just to stand in OT, I want to says here that I own also a good JVC home DAT deck. Believe it or not, but I bought it before even owning a real cassette deck, that was to be a Sony TC-K750ES two years after. As I play music, I wanted then to masterise to DAT my work, done on 4 track Tascam Portastudio. I use it the less I can. Just because DAT recording are perfect, & the deck mecanism fragile--compared to Nakamichi, all is fragile!!!---. I want the machine lasting. When my hifi was getting up, then I choosed Nakamichi to be my music companion. Can you imagine even a digital Nak 1000, lasting for more than 20 years troublefree ??? What you loose on audio parameters is gained in gear longevity & analogue living sound (air feeling...) with Nakamichi....but not on all Naks !!! Recently I use to record live performances with my Sony WM-D6 "pro" walkman then transfert the tapes with Dragon to DAT. I use then the DAT safety copies to make analogue copies for friends & me. Matyas PS: for lower cost DAT cassettes, watch your music instrument shop for. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 19:33:19 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:33:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools References: <085001c12e69$7e9014a0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen ! I am honoured by your approval, and appreciate your kind words ! I hope Nakkers will not experiment the method with heads that aren't OK. It was my case (good shape for PH but on RH you see it 'digged' by tape, however the wear is uniform in rectitude, at least by eyes) and I feel that even best results (especially for music playback) will rise from an adjustment with new heads. Before I done my procedure on my Dragon, I felt audible tonal balance unevenness between both PB modes, in that there were cassette to an another that sounded best once played in reverse mode to other ones in forward PB. Now this behaviour has disappeared, but remains lightly if you want split hairs. (light tilt problem -of the tape path head surface that in used head is lower than the edges that touches the flatness plate- I strongly suspect). But for the production of Azimuth tapes on precision shell it is OK. Anyway, the playback quality I obtain now is all the way better than before. I think to buy news heads for my Dragon, & hope that they are yet available... logically any manufacturers stocks for 10 years their parts...Does Dragon's end service for 2004 ? Best regards, Matyas You know what ? I think that I am fond of my Dragon again! ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamikaze tools > Just for the sake of "certification", I'll put in my approval of your > procedures. Again, you've shown your creative inventiveness. While you > won't get precisely the same results as with the real, expensive, Nak tapes > & jigs, you'll be really damn close. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Aug 28 21:24:23 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:24:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <108.4908650.28bd29dc@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c12ff7$0b841e40$40756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> The big ebay! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/28/2001 7:46:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << > I just got a Simon & Garfunkel 7 1/2ips. copy of Bookends for $9.99 Do you > think there is a 7 1/2ips. version of Bridge O. T. Waters? > > John >> > > Hi John, > > Are those reel-to-reel recordings? If yes, where did you find them? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 21:34:57 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:34:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <38.1b000d58.28bd345a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8BF261.A7FCAD77@earthlink.net> Hi Sa, A center channel will never EXPAND your soundstaging. If you lack a definite center image when using just two speakers, your speakers, their placement or your room acoustics are to blame, The solution of adding a center channel is like using a Band Aid on a lost finger. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:44:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > << My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche medium. My > thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with > various home theater setups for years. What do we listen to our movies with > now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended amp > through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much > anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel > arrangement. > > Carl >> > > Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your comments > above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many years > now. > > While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the soundstage > was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my TV's > speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this application. > (mono speaker) > > One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the signal > into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. > (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). > > My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music that > I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. Is > there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) to > expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've heard > this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to 2-channel. > And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel speaker, > the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any > thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Aug 28 21:43:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:43:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: <10f.46c3ffc.28bd4e52@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2001 2:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam, A center channel will never EXPAND your soundstaging. If you lack a definite center image when using just two speakers, your speakers, their placement or your room acoustics are to blame, The solution of adding a center channel is like using a Band Aid on a lost finger. Jim Volpatti >> I have a definitive center image, but there is a difference to the sound when listening to movies and the addition of a center image. Maybe I'm not explaining in the appropriate terms. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 23:10:41 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:10:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> Message-ID: <09fa01c13005$e7a03310$9865fea9@D9569601> Matyas, Your live recordings would be much better were you to acquire a pair of Sony things....a DATman (not a D7; current pro model...very small, black..don't recollect model number)..and a Sony sbm1000 (again, not sure of model number......it is an analogue to digital converter for same deck...plug your mic's into this and then this into the dat man and you are off to the races). It will blow away that mediocre (sorry, it is) Tascam portastudio; the portastudio never made cassette masters that sounded as good as the tapes we made with Sony TCD5M cassette recorders of when I was fortunate enough to have AC so I could use a Nakamichi zx9 to make a master (then I use both DAT and cassette......). Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Just to stand in OT, I want to says here that I own also a good JVC home DAT > deck. > Believe it or not, but I bought it before even owning a real cassette deck, > that was to be a Sony TC-K750ES two years after. > > As I play music, I wanted then to masterise to DAT my work, done on 4 track > Tascam Portastudio. > > I use it the less I can. Just because DAT recording are perfect, & the deck > mecanism fragile--compared to Nakamichi, all is fragile!!!---. I want the > machine lasting. > When my hifi was getting up, then I choosed Nakamichi to be my music > companion. > > Can you imagine even a digital Nak 1000, lasting for more than 20 years > troublefree ??? > What you loose on audio parameters is gained in gear longevity & analogue > living sound (air feeling...) with Nakamichi....but not on all Naks !!! > > Recently I use to record live performances with my Sony WM-D6 "pro" walkman > then transfert the tapes with Dragon to DAT. > > I use then the DAT safety copies to make analogue copies for friends & me. > > Matyas > > PS: for lower cost DAT cassettes, watch your music instrument shop for. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brerrabm at netzero.net Mon Aug 27 19:55:21 2001 From: brerrabm at netzero.net (brerrabm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:55:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <78.19d4e6a9.28bb2f24@aol.com> Message-ID: <09a701c13004$9a0eace0$9865fea9@D9569601> I use a Tascam DA 30 as my home playback machine (into an Audio Note DAC 1 Signature) and have a pair of pro dats that are identical; one with a marantz name on it and the other aiwa. Same product. They were not cheap when I acquired them in the early 1990's but they make adequate tapes and have all the portable features one could want (except a SOTA mic preamp and A > D; such is life)...AND..they run on AA batteries. Good stuff. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > I was curious if anyone on this list uses DAT? Haven't heard much talk about > DAT during our other conversations. I'm curious to know your thoughts on > their performance, especially versus a well-tuned Nak and good blank cassette > media. As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 28 23:07:07 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:07:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <38.1b000d58.28bd345a@aol.com> Message-ID: <09e801c13005$690a3190$9865fea9@D9569601> I have this McInstosc C22 preamplifier with a center channel volume/output....'nuff said? Now, I just have to get the thing repaired so it works! I was going down the same path and will use my nice little floor standing Spendor center channel speaker mated with the Linn speakers. I'll use a McIntosh MC30 mono tube amp to augment the Audio Note amp. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:44:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > << My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche medium. My > thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with > various home theater setups for years. What do we listen to our movies with > now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended amp > through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much > anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel > arrangement. > > Carl >> > > Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your comments > above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many years > now. > > While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the soundstage > was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my TV's > speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this application. > (mono speaker) > > One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the signal > into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. > (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). > > My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music that > I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. Is > there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) to > expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've heard > this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to 2-channel. > And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel speaker, > the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any > thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 28 23:44:57 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:44:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In-Reply-To: <54.19ec0ee8.28bd223c@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c1300a$ae68e240$86c4893e@a4s1s2> Not superior, Sam. Just different. Tho' having said that, I am just beginning to find out what a ZX9 can do ... and I'll just have to have a head to head with my portable DAT! Got a feeling the ZX9 will win over my ear as I am already discovering the subtle but perceivable improvement this deck has over a Pioneer CTS830S with recording and playback. (I thought the Pioneer was stable but the ZX9 takes "stability" in a cassette deck to a new plateau for me. The Pioneer does a good job replaying the ZX9s tapes, by the way, esp. in Dolby B. I've a bit more listening to do with the Dolby C recording to see if that's up to scratch.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 28 August 2001 17:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? In a message dated 8/28/2001 11:20:27 AM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << ...because I have a DAT master of a famous Russian jazz musician that I particularly like - he had given the tape to my wife but I had nothing to play it on. >> Hi Graham, So how would you rate the sound of this DAT? Superior to a well done cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Well, some of you guys out there - those with grey hairs mostly - will remember that some of the stereo amps in the 1960's (like my Eico ST70, for example) offered a centre speaker output. The rationale offered for it, according to my Eico manual, was that it is not always possible in some peoples' living quarters to get the optimum axis and distance for the placement of two channel speakers, and that sometimes left a "gap" in the middle of the sound stage. Enter the centre speak, to fill the gap .... Graham Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your comments above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many years now. While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the soundstage was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my TV's speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this application. (mono speaker) One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the signal into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music that I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. Is there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) to expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've heard this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to 2-channel. And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel speaker, the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 03:14:57 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:14:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> <05d401c12e8b$dd4457a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <08ee01c12eb1$ddbc9fa0$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <0b5501c13028$059a06d0$9865fea9@D9569601> Stephen, So where does a person lay his hands on one of these Mocode Minuet preamplifiers for 500 bux? Regards, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > Odds are quite good that you just need to clean all the tube pins(a brass > wire detailing brush + a little contact lubricant works best). Then, get > the sockets clean(ish) by wetting each tubes pins again with contact > lubricant & shoving in & out of each socket a number of times. Beyond that, > please make sure whomever you take it to has many years of McIntosh > experience. If you want to be absolutely sure it will get proper care, > please send it out to me. Been doing Mac just as long & as much as I've > been doing Nak. > If the MC30 does not simply have a blown fuse(or breaker), it should get > professional attention. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Cobb" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > > > > A friend lent me the following McIntosh gear: > > > > c22 preamplifier > > mc240 amplifier > > mc30 amplifier > > > > The mc240 works fine; used it a few years back. The mc30 will not power > up > > at all and the c22...well....plugged it in. Got weak sounding phono via > the > > right channel only; when the left channel is in the mix then all I get is > a > > loud shooshing noise. If I put both speakers on right channel ONLY the > > sound is reasonably clear. > > > > This preamp has not been turned on in at least five years. Best place to > > start? Down to my local McIntosh repair shop? > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Soulantikas" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jannis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go > > there > > > to > > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > > > file contains several different versions of the same > > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > > > about an error and quits). 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If you lack a > definite center image when using just two speakers, your speakers, their > placement or your room acoustics are to blame, The solution of adding a > center channel is like using a Band Aid on a lost finger. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:44:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche medium. My > > thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with > > various home theater setups for years. What do we listen to our movies with > > now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended amp > > through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much > > anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel > > arrangement. > > > > Carl >> > > > > Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your comments > > above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many years > > now. > > > > While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the soundstage > > was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my TV's > > speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this application. > > (mono speaker) > > > > One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the signal > > into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. > > (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). > > > > My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music that > > I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. Is > > there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) to > > expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've heard > > this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to 2-channel. > > And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel speaker, > > the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any > > thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 07:01:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:01:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT DVDa Vs Sacd References: <38.1b000d58.28bd345a@aol.com> <3B8BF261.A7FCAD77@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00e301c13047$9c428160$88ec3fd0@oemcomputer> a few thoughts on the two formats both are multi channel, and universal decoders will be available soon. In the long term the consumer will be able to pick up a dvd, a dvd-a, or sacd disc and play it without a thought to which format is really being used. This is not the same transition as vinyl to cd or laser disc to dvd. Think of the way your computer easily plays real media, quicktime or windows media player movies or audio once the correct software is loaded. I think consumers care about quality more than you think its just that today there are more choices for your entertainment dollar and more demands/options for our downtime. Its also helpfull to realize in the good old days of stereo lets say the late fifties to the early seventies, there were only three or four TV stations in a given town, movie theaters played only *one* movie maybe two, stores closed at 5 pm. Now you have 50 to 100 TV stations, multiplexes with 24 movies Walmart's open 24 hours, we have extreme sports, easy and dirt cheap plane travel any number of things that compete with music and audio. On a more pleasant note symphony orchestras in the USA take in more than the gate receipts of the NFL (if they could only have monday nite concerts) and Universal is starting to issue sacds (which makes at least two major record companies now making them) http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1123 ymmv Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 29 07:39:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:39:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... References: <3AF09198.4F3D8A11@concentric.net> <002901c12d44$bb7f6940$4736fb3e@jannis> <05d401c12e8b$dd4457a0$9865fea9@D9569601> <08ee01c12eb1$ddbc9fa0$ae3442cf@sank1> <0b5501c13028$059a06d0$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <0dc401c1304d$0450be20$ae3442cf@sank1> Where ever you can find a Minuet for sale. One has finally shown up on ebay. Just search "moscode" and it will be the only thing to come up. Still really cheap, but has I think 3 days to go. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Cobb" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > Stephen, > > So where does a person lay his hands on one of these Mocode Minuet > preamplifiers for 500 bux? > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > > > > Odds are quite good that you just need to clean all the tube pins(a brass > > wire detailing brush + a little contact lubricant works best). Then, get > > the sockets clean(ish) by wetting each tubes pins again with contact > > lubricant & shoving in & out of each socket a number of times. Beyond > that, > > please make sure whomever you take it to has many years of McIntosh > > experience. If you want to be absolutely sure it will get proper care, > > please send it out to me. Been doing Mac just as long & as much as I've > > been doing Nak. > > If the MC30 does not simply have a blown fuse(or breaker), it should get > > professional attention. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl Cobb" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:04 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh gear put back into service...kinda... > > > > > > > A friend lent me the following McIntosh gear: > > > > > > c22 preamplifier > > > mc240 amplifier > > > mc30 amplifier > > > > > > The mc240 works fine; used it a few years back. The mc30 will not power > > up > > > at all and the c22...well....plugged it in. Got weak sounding phono via > > the > > > right channel only; when the left channel is in the mix then all I get > is > > a > > > loud shooshing noise. If I put both speakers on right channel ONLY the > > > sound is reasonably clear. > > > > > > This preamp has not been turned on in at least five years. Best place > to > > > start? Down to my local McIntosh repair shop? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J. Soulantikas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:02 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > > > > > I'v tryed to download EWB50.zip but it is no longer there. > > > > Can you please be so kind to e-mail it to me? > > > > j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jannis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ron > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:00 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] EWB > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matyas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears tweakers, > > > > > > If some of you need an electronic circuit simulation software, go > > > there > > > > to > > > > > > download a cracked Electronics Workbench 5. > > > > > > http://www.pinkspider.ch/ewb50.zip > > > > > > (3.37 Mo) > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > > Best regards, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. > > > > > > > > > > Did you actually download and install this? The .ZIP > > > > > file contains several different versions of the same > > > > > files (for instance, there are 6 or 7 default.lib). > > > > > The main executable won't run (comes up, complains > > > > > about an error and quits). What's up? > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 29 07:53:57 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:53:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> <0d8901c128fb$1871d460$123442cf@sank1> <001e01c1291d$f3b4fe40$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c1304e$fef5f9c0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, One quick question ... how many times have you encountered bad logic chips ? (TMP4315BP on RX, BX, and CR series). I replaced all caps & gates IC on RX202 logic board and still same 2-3 minutes 'start up period' (all 'initial reset' circuit transistor also replaced). Yesterday I measure chip's clock frquency and it read 650 khz ! Turning the coil down to 500khz helps the intermittent stops but same 3 minutes reset problem. Is it possible the logic IC was permanently damaged due to high osc freq (analogous to PC overclock) ? However after this 3 minutes wait deck's operation is rock solid, and the 5V line is steady after 1-2 seconds. Still sounds like a cap or cracked solder problem though, arrrgh. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > Forgot to say that control motor works fine (already tried a replacement, > doesn't help) but it didn't get any voltage at all at turn on time (and the > next minute). After 30 secs if I push play cam is behaving strangely, > moving up and down, stopping and reversing - however another 30 sec later > everything is normal and rock steady ! Definitely an orange cap thing but > there's none on logic. :-) I only replaced one lytic in the "power off" / > mute line and will get the rest soon. Also the 3 mini relays on control cam > have been cleaned & checked. I thought it was a bad chip / transistor as > the 7812 got real warm in just a few seconds. > > Yesterday a friend's BX came in with reel motor problem, guess what, one of > the motor's brush is half gone ! Must have came in from another indo > techie. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > Salim, on your RX202, which is a whole different (sankyo mech) deck than > the > > 505/303(nak mechs), I can think of two possibilities on the intialising > > fault. One is simply mechanical. When you turn it on, look at the worm > > gear of the control drive motor & see if it does a nice, free spin when > the > > deck is turned on, or if it moves sluggishly or not at all at first, in > > which case, see if giving it a push helps expedite the intialisation. > Other > > possibility is a fault in the 5V reset/mute portion of the power supply. > > Don't have the schematic handy, so I can just say that you should look > > references to reset & mute in the supply section diagram, then see if you > > get a solid 4.5-5v within a second of turn on. If not, look for a bad > > electrolytic cap or transistor in that area. > > BTW, I forgot to bring home the TD-700 diagrams to look for the tone > bypass > > method. Hopefully tomorrow. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > > Hi Jim > if center channels are a band aid then why was the original > mercury recording system 3 channel with play back over three > channels left, right and center.(unfortunately folded down to two > channels for consumers) > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > Hi Sa, > > > > A center channel will never EXPAND your soundstaging. If you lack a > > definite center image when using just two speakers, your speakers, their > > placement or your room acoustics are to blame, The solution of adding a > > center channel is like using a Band Aid on a lost finger. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:44:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > c123666 at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << My vote is that SACD will wind up strictly as a high end niche > medium. My > > > thought is based on the multi channel aspect. We've been screwing with > > > various home theater setups for years. What do we listen to our movies > with > > > now? A stereo system powered by an audio note two channel single ended > amp > > > through linn speakers; ie, we don't use the multi channel system much > > > anymore. We have found we usually prefer the straight two channel > > > arrangement. > > > > > > Carl >> > > > > > > Ok Carl, please allow me to open another can of worms based on your > comments > > > above? (smile) I too have been enjoying movies in 2-channel for many > years > > > now. > > > > > > While watching the Special Edition of Star Wars I noticed that the > soundstage > > > was full with a wider sweet spot than normal stereo. Now I'm using my > TV's > > > speaker as my center channel and it works quite nicely in this > application. > > > (mono speaker) > > > > > > One of the knocks against 2-channel stereo is that we are forcing the > signal > > > into a left and right channel, and therefore limiting the soundstage. > > > (You'll hear this argument from the SACD proponents). > > > > > > My question is this - if I could recreate the same soundstage for music > that > > > I enjoy while watching movies, I would listen to music in that format. > Is > > > there a method of connecting a center channel speaker (not a subwoofer) > to > > > expand the soundstage when listening to music? I tell you once you've > heard > > > this affect (for lack of better word), you won't want to return to > 2-channel. > > > And, since my television speaker is serving as my center channel > speaker, > > > the center channel doesn't need a large amount of amplification. Any > > > thoughts? I told you it was a can of worms (smile). > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 29 08:29:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:29:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <004201c128d2$55403900$41289bca@smarzuki> <0d8901c128fb$1871d460$123442cf@sank1> <001e01c1291d$f3b4fe40$5a289bca@smarzuki> <000401c1304e$fef5f9c0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0e2801c13054$065e1620$ae3442cf@sank1> Hey, you know what, Salim? You just jogged my memory. About ten years ago, I saw one of those clock setting coil units go flakey. I think this may be your problem. Go a BX100, etc. you can swap one with? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > Hi Stephen, > > One quick question ... how many times have you encountered bad logic chips ? > (TMP4315BP on RX, BX, and CR series). > > I replaced all caps & gates IC on RX202 logic board and still same 2-3 > minutes 'start up period' (all 'initial reset' circuit transistor also > replaced). Yesterday I measure chip's clock frquency and it read 650 khz ! > Turning the coil down to 500khz helps the intermittent stops but same 3 > minutes reset problem. Is it possible the logic IC was permanently damaged > due to high osc freq (analogous to PC overclock) ? However after this 3 > minutes wait deck's operation is rock solid, and the 5V line is steady after > 1-2 seconds. Still sounds like a cap or cracked solder problem though, > arrrgh. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > > > Thanks much Stephen ! > > > > Forgot to say that control motor works fine (already tried a replacement, > > doesn't help) but it didn't get any voltage at all at turn on time (and > the > > next minute). After 30 secs if I push play cam is behaving strangely, > > moving up and down, stopping and reversing - however another 30 sec later > > everything is normal and rock steady ! Definitely an orange cap thing > but > > there's none on logic. :-) I only replaced one lytic in the "power off" > / > > mute line and will get the rest soon. Also the 3 mini relays on control > cam > > have been cleaned & checked. I thought it was a bad chip / transistor as > > the 7812 got real warm in just a few seconds. > > > > Yesterday a friend's BX came in with reel motor problem, guess what, one > of > > the motor's brush is half gone ! Must have came in from another indo > > techie. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > > > > Salim, on your RX202, which is a whole different (sankyo mech) deck than > > the > > > 505/303(nak mechs), I can think of two possibilities on the intialising > > > fault. One is simply mechanical. When you turn it on, look at the worm > > > gear of the control drive motor & see if it does a nice, free spin when > > the > > > deck is turned on, or if it moves sluggishly or not at all at first, in > > > which case, see if giving it a push helps expedite the intialisation. > > Other > > > possibility is a fault in the 5V reset/mute portion of the power supply. > > > Don't have the schematic handy, so I can just say that you should look > > > references to reset & mute in the supply section diagram, then see if > you > > > get a solid 4.5-5v within a second of turn on. If not, look for a bad > > > electrolytic cap or transistor in that area. > > > BTW, I forgot to bring home the TD-700 diagrams to look for the tone > > bypass > > > method. Hopefully tomorrow. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 29 10:40:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:40:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 Message-ID: <20010829084004.ZXBW1672.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Stephen, Frankly speaking, I brilliantly managed to crack the ferrite core on that coil - as initially lowest setting can only go down to 590 ish khz (and my bx300 read 471 khz), one additional turn and ... crack. Looks like internal 100pf caps went bad, I replaced them with 'quality' 100pf caps externally / below pcb surface and get lowest frequency to reach 500 khz. Still same 3 minute wait ... maybe the logic chip already damaged ? I'll swap with bx300 coil to see if it helps, maybe the windings already bad - but still it clocked a steady 500 khz 1-2 seconds after turned on. So you never have got to replace a single TMP4315 logic chip, is that right ? I'm beginning to believe that this RX was once immersed in a mud. Additional findings: all 3 sliding pots lost contact with terminal solder and the two internal 2SC2002 bias transistors were shorted, orange thingies still worked though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- > Hey, you know what, Salim? You just jogged my memory. About ten years ago, > I saw one of those clock setting coil units go flakey. I think this may be > your problem. Go a BX100, etc. you can swap one with? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > One quick question ... how many times have you encountered bad logic chips > ? > > (TMP4315BP on RX, BX, and CR series). > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Aug 29 14:21:43 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:21:43 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5751@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of "future-useful" to all the people owning Dragons. Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange behaviour, namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to it's "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction does. As it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as quiet humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a bit uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I consider all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC system. Some questions roll in in this connection. 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette door and in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective marks on the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I simply turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, nothing happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling between PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be clearly seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined up and stand still in both directions... 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC power supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some DC-measurements on the pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The best what I got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the respective VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An interesting peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR from the utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value of the same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), whereafter it stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. Any comments, please. Best Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This is easily revealed by putting the fingertip on the capstan from the top, and try to rock it back and forth. I guess that this would not have happened if the bearings would have been lubricated during the years. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Assessment > In a message dated 8/28/2001 10:51:26 AM Central Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Hi Marcus, > > I usually bring a small flashlight (and a magnifying glass on army knife) to > look at head condition whether it's still in good condition / 'pointy' or > worn out - relatively flatter edge. But that's me and my 70's / early 80's > Naks. Usually no worry on newer CR decks as long as it plays good. > Remaining life for Naks ? with proper care (belt roller contact cleaner) > even my 482 will last for another decade I believe. > > Best regards, > Salim SM >> > > Great point Salim. My BX-150 has lasted 14 years, and with routine > maintenance will easily last another 10 years. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 29 18:58:53 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:58:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5751@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <0ee701c130ab$e2fa9b60$ae3442cf@sank1> First, are you seeing a change of state with door open/close on Q831 collector? Do you have solid 6.2V at TP802? In stop mode, do you see any great noise on the output of either pin 1 or 7 of IC821? And, most importantly, have you replaced all of the orange film caps in the whole NAAC circuit? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAAC > Stephen, > > I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not > directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of "future-useful" to > all the people owning Dragons. > > Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange behaviour, > namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to it's > "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction does. As > it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as quiet > humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a bit > uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I consider > all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? > > Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC system. > Some questions roll in in this connection. > > 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette door and > in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective marks on > the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I simply > turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, nothing > happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling between > PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be clearly > seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. > Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined up and > stand still in both directions... > > 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC power > supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some DC-measurements on the > pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The best what I > got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? > > 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the respective > VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An interesting > peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR from the > utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value of the > same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), whereafter it > stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. > > Any comments, please. > > Best > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 29 18:54:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:54:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:45:19 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Tho' having said that, I am just beginning to find out what a ZX9 can do ... and I'll just have to have a head to head with my portable DAT! Got a feeling the ZX9 will win over my ear as I am already discovering the subtle but perceivable improvement this deck has over a Pioneer CTS830S with recording and playback. (I thought the Pioneer was stable but the ZX9 takes "stability" in a cassette deck to a new plateau for me. The Pioneer does a good job replaying the ZX9s tapes, by the way, esp. in Dolby B. I've a bit more listening to do with the Dolby C recording to see if that's up to scratch.) Graham >> Hi Graham, OK, please keep us posted. I understand as my Teac does a nice job with pb of cassette created on my CR-7. In fact, cassettes made using the CR-7 make my BX-150 sound wonderful. From the little I've learned, the ZX-9's reputation is well earned. I found the DATs made using the Panasonic were a more harsh sounding, or maybe I should say more digital sounding. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 29 19:01:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:01:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <20010829084004.ZXBW1672.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <0eef01c130ac$304dd580$ae3442cf@sank1> I have never seen that processor go bad. I have only seen a couple of bad procs over the years. I believe one in Dragon & one in CA-7 preamp. Don't have the manual handy, but have you looked at what the voltage looks like on the reset pin of the proc? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > Stephen, > > Frankly speaking, I brilliantly managed to crack the ferrite core on that > coil - as initially lowest setting can only go down to 590 ish khz (and my > bx300 read 471 khz), one additional turn and ... crack. > > Looks like internal 100pf caps went bad, I replaced them with 'quality' > 100pf caps externally / below pcb surface and get lowest frequency to reach > 500 khz. Still same 3 minute wait ... maybe the logic chip already damaged > ? I'll swap with bx300 coil to see if it helps, maybe the windings already > bad - but still it clocked a steady 500 khz 1-2 seconds after turned on. So > you never have got to replace a single TMP4315 logic chip, is that right ? > > I'm beginning to believe that this RX was once immersed in a mud. > Additional findings: all 3 sliding pots lost contact with terminal solder > and the two internal 2SC2002 bias transistors were shorted, orange thingies > still worked though. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- > > > Hey, you know what, Salim? You just jogged my memory. About ten years > ago, > > I saw one of those clock setting coil units go flakey. I think this may > be > > your problem. Go a BX100, etc. you can swap one with? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > One quick question ... how many times have you encountered bad logic > chips > > ? > > > (TMP4315BP on RX, BX, and CR series). > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 29 18:57:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:57:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2001 4:45:46 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Did I just say there is nothing new? Well, some of you guys out there - those with grey hairs mostly - will remember that some of the stereo amps in the 1960's (like my Eico ST70, for example) offered a centre speaker output. The rationale offered for it, according to my Eico manual, was that it is not always possible in some peoples' living quarters to get the optimum axis and distance for the placement of two channel speakers, and that sometimes left a "gap" in the middle of the sound stage. Enter the centre speak, to fill the gap .... Graham >> Interesting. I'm not experiencing a "gap" in the sweet spot, but having a center channel added a "different" dimension to the soundstange vs. regular stereo listening, at least when watching movies. Maybe what I experienced has more to do with movies (after all it was a THX Star Wars version) and less to do with stereo imaging. However, I do understand that in the "early" days there was supposed to be a center channel and the signal was forced into the left and right. Can anyone on this elaborate on those early beginnings of stereo? Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 29 19:13:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:13:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! Message-ID: <11b.39b287c.28be7c9c@aol.com> Since many of us use our computers everyday, I thought this maybe useful for you all. A very interesting solution to provide audiophile-quality to the typical PC. Making Your PC Sing By Jon Iverson August 27, 2001 — Don't smirk, but a lot of audiophiles, including this writer and our esteemed editor John Atkinson, spend a considerable amount of time listening to music on their computers, especially at work. In fact, the results from our recent online poll about computers and listening habits indicate that at least 60% of our readers listen this way as well, with half of those using their PCs for music playback "quite often." After several weeks of development, he created the 12dAX7 preamp/DAC, which is connected to the PC via the USB port. Sutherland emphasizes that he's included "all of the 'politically correct' audiophile details: Wima polypropylene caps, Dale metal film resistors, toroidal power transformer, double-sided fiber-glass circuit board, minimal signal path, and on and on. But the real kicker is that the gain stage uses a premium Sovtek 12AX7 vacuum tube, and the thing is sounding very fine." To read full article, please visit: http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1125 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Aug 29 19:33:58 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:33:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! References: <11b.39b287c.28be7c9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c130b1$08f51a70$5f756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Was this bait for the $1495 price tag? :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! > Since many of us use our computers everyday, I thought this maybe useful for > you all. A very interesting solution to provide audiophile-quality to the > typical PC. > > Making Your PC Sing > > By Jon Iverson > > August 27, 2001 — Don't smirk, but a lot of audiophiles, including this > writer and our esteemed editor John Atkinson, spend a considerable amount of > time listening to music on their computers, especially at work. In fact, the > results from our recent online poll about computers and listening habits > indicate that at least 60% of our readers listen this way as well, with half > of those using their PCs for music playback "quite often." > > After several weeks of development, he created the 12dAX7 preamp/DAC, which > is connected to the PC via the USB port. Sutherland emphasizes that he's > included "all of the 'politically correct' audiophile details: Wima > polypropylene caps, Dale metal film resistors, toroidal power transformer, > double-sided fiber-glass circuit board, minimal signal path, and on and on. > But the real kicker is that the gain stage uses a premium Sovtek 12AX7 vacuum > tube, and the thing is sounding very fine." > > To read full article, please visit: > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1125 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 29 20:11:40 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:11:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! Message-ID: <9b.1a2edd09.28be8a5c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/29/2001 12:38:24 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Was this bait for the $1495 price tag? :-) John >> I have no idea, but you could build one yourself similar to what is described in this article for much less. But an interesting alternative notheless. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 20:54:42 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:54:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! References: <11b.39b287c.28be7c9c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B8D3A72.AFE672B7@earthlink.net> Just a couple of thoughts. First of all, I imagine that many of the people who use their computer as a digital source do so primarily for convenience sake. Computer tends to be in work areas so it makes perfect sense to use them for music listening. It also makes sense to use them to record CDs. However, in either case I don't think a PC should be used to record or play back music for critical listening. Unless of course, ALL the analog circuitry is audiophile grade, has their own dedicated power supplies and sits outside the polluted (FR/EMI) environment of the PC. Using dedicated high quality outboard AD and DA converters makes perfect sense, while leaving all the digital processing to the PC itself. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > Since many of us use our computers everyday, I thought this maybe useful for > you all. A very interesting solution to provide audiophile-quality to the > typical PC. > > Making Your PC Sing > > By Jon Iverson > > August 27, 2001 — Don't smirk, but a lot of audiophiles, including this > writer and our esteemed editor John Atkinson, spend a considerable amount of > time listening to music on their computers, especially at work. In fact, the > results from our recent online poll about computers and listening habits > indicate that at least 60% of our readers listen this way as well, with half > of those using their PCs for music playback "quite often." > > After several weeks of development, he created the 12dAX7 preamp/DAC, which > is connected to the PC via the USB port. Sutherland emphasizes that he's > included "all of the 'politically correct' audiophile details: Wima > polypropylene caps, Dale metal film resistors, toroidal power transformer, > double-sided fiber-glass circuit board, minimal signal path, and on and on. > But the real kicker is that the gain stage uses a premium Sovtek 12AX7 vacuum > tube, and the thing is sounding very fine." > > To read full article, please visit: > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1125 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Aug 29 21:04:00 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:04:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your PC Sing. Check this out! Message-ID: In a message dated 8/29/2001 1:57:34 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Unless of course, ALL the analog circuitry is audiophile grade, has their own dedicated power supplies and sits outside the polluted (FR/EMI) environment of the PC. Using dedicated high quality outboard AD and DA converters makes perfect sense, while leaving all the digital processing to the PC itself. Jim Volpatti >> I agree. The internal environment of a PC is simply to noisy. For casual listening it's fine, but for any type of audiophile or professional listening a solution similar to this should work well. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but this device resides between the signal coming from the soundcard "out" and before the signal "in" to the receiver or amplifier? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 29 21:02:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:02:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <20010829084004.ZXBW1672.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <0eef01c130ac$304dd580$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003701c130bd$a4dbb960$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Glad to hear that processor unlikely goes bad ! I'm still oscilloscope-less so ... I guess there's no way of telling how the voltage looks like. All I have is digital tester and it shows 5V on reset pin. Well, looks like I have to bear with the 3 minute wait for some time. :-) BTW this 202 sounds good for a two head deck ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > I have never seen that processor go bad. I have only seen a couple of bad > procs over the years. I believe one in Dragon & one in CA-7 preamp. Don't > have the manual handy, but have you looked at what the voltage looks like on > the reset pin of the proc? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 29 20:51:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:51:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Assessment References: <12c.3c3cb92.28bd21c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c130bd$a1208620$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marcus, May I ask what prompted you to replace your 700II head ? The head on my 682zx looks brand new yet rolled off earlier than others, but using a mag glass I see a wider than normal gap, probably as wide as record head's gap - whereas normal gap width would be quite difficult to spot. But that's more likely a defect from mfg instead of careless use. On bearing maintenance ... honestly I wouldn't touch my cr4 capstans - take it out every year or two, and put lube on it - unless it's acting up ! I believe majority of nak owners are like that as well. Hey, once you experienced such 'oval' bearing ... I'm sure that would be one of the things you check on used decks ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Assessment > My problem is how to find out if the machine has been properly cared for hitherto. > I have the following experience: > I had to change the heads in my 700II, even if they seem to look OK. No flat edge where the worn area is supposed to be, maybe just a little "uneven" surphase. What to look for? > On a "OEM-type" 500 and a 700TT I have seen worn-out capstan bearings, leading to problems with the tape transport. Due to the pressure from the roller, the holes had became oval instead of circular. This is easily revealed by putting the fingertip on the capstan from the top, and try to rock it back and forth. I guess that this would not have happened if the bearings would have been lubricated during the years. > > Marcus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Aug 30 04:11:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:11:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 References: <20010829084004.ZXBW1672.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <0eef01c130ac$304dd580$ae3442cf@sank1> <003701c130bd$a4dbb960$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <0f2301c130f9$20193f40$ae3442cf@sank1> Switch your meter to AC volts & see if you read more than a few millivolts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > Hi Stephen, > > Glad to hear that processor unlikely goes bad ! I'm still oscilloscope-less > so ... I guess there's no way of telling how the voltage looks like. All I > have is digital tester and it shows 5V on reset pin. Well, looks like I > have to bear with the 3 minute wait for some time. :-) > > BTW this 202 sounds good for a two head deck ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505, now RX202 > > > > I have never seen that processor go bad. I have only seen a couple of bad > > procs over the years. I believe one in Dragon & one in CA-7 preamp. > Don't > > have the manual handy, but have you looked at what the voltage looks like > on > > the reset pin of the proc? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Aug 30 15:26:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:26:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5752@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), but yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found Q832 being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was not complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... Regards Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:59 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > First, are you seeing a change of state with door open/close on Q831 > collector? Do you have solid 6.2V at TP802? In stop mode, do you see any > great noise on the output of either pin 1 or 7 of IC821? And, most > importantly, have you replaced all of the orange film caps in the whole > NAAC > circuit? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:21 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > Stephen, > > > > I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not > > directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of > "future-useful" > to > > all the people owning Dragons. > > > > Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange behaviour, > > namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to it's > > "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction > does. > As > > it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as quiet > > humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a bit > > uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I > consider > > all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? > > > > Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC > system. > > Some questions roll in in this connection. > > > > 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette door > and > > in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective marks > on > > the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I simply > > turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, > nothing > > happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling between > > PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be > clearly > > seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. > > Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined up > and > > stand still in both directions... > > > > 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC power > > supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some DC-measurements on > the > > pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The best > what > I > > got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? > > > > 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the > respective > > VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An interesting > > peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR from > the > > utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value of > the > > same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), whereafter > it > > stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. > > > > Any comments, please. > > > > Best > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 18:52:27 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:52:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Assessment References: <12c.3c3cb92.28bd21c1@aol.com> <003601c130bd$a1208620$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim! I could not reach the correct PB-level with 400Hz cal. tone, with the bias adjusted for max level and levelpot at max. If i remember well, the response was more far away at higher freqs. With new heads everything became normal. I sometimes fingercheck the capstans on decks in second hand shops just for fun, and quite often they move easier perpendicular to the tape than parallell. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Assessment > > Hi Marcus, > > May I ask what prompted you to replace your 700II head ? The head on my > 682zx looks brand new yet rolled off earlier than others, but using a mag > glass I see a wider than normal gap, probably as wide as record head's gap - > whereas normal gap width would be quite difficult to spot. But that's more > likely a defect from mfg instead of careless use. > > On bearing maintenance ... honestly I wouldn't touch my cr4 capstans - take > it out every year or two, and put lube on it - unless it's acting up ! I > believe majority of nak owners are like that as well. Hey, once you > experienced such 'oval' bearing ... I'm sure that would be one of the things > you check on used decks ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Rosén" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Assessment > > > > My problem is how to find out if the machine has been properly cared for > hitherto. > > I have the following experience: > > I had to change the heads in my 700II, even if they seem to look OK. No > flat edge where the worn area is supposed to be, maybe just a little > "uneven" surphase. What to look for? > > On a "OEM-type" 500 and a 700TT I have seen worn-out capstan bearings, > leading to problems with the tape transport. Due to the pressure from the > roller, the holes had became oval instead of circular. This is easily > revealed by putting the fingertip on the capstan from the top, and try to > rock it back and forth. I guess that this would not have happened if the > bearings would have been lubricated during the years. > > > > Marcus. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> <09fa01c13005$e7a03310$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: Hi Carl, there is a confusion... the portastudio 424 was my 4 tracks home studio recorder, I never take it to a concert hall expect in 1992 and it was for a punk grindcore gig ! ;o) I have used sometimes a portable Tascam DA-20 for electroacousic music work(concrete music..) for shool purpose, and whether I need a portable DAT it will be this one I'll choose...if I can afford it. Nevertheless, thank you for the advice :-) I use the sony casscorder wm-d6 because for money it is OK. I bought it 150 CHF (~60 usd). The problem with the d6 is that one have to use UX-S tapes, for good dolby tracking, and results with UX-S are neutral but short in hights to me. (or one have to calibrate for other tape type and I haven't its manual yet.) Being Sony techie myself (apprentice), I don't want to own a machine lighter than the d6. (you see what I think about nowadays quality..) Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > Matyas, > > Your live recordings would be much better were you to acquire a pair of Sony > things....a DATman (not a D7; current pro model...very small, black..don't > recollect model number)..and a Sony sbm1000 (again, not sure of model > number......it is an analogue to digital converter for same deck...plug your > mic's into this and then this into the dat man and you are off to the > races). > > It will blow away that mediocre (sorry, it is) Tascam portastudio; the > portastudio never made cassette masters that sounded as good as the tapes we > made with Sony TCD5M cassette recorders of when I was fortunate enough to > have AC so I could use a Nakamichi zx9 to make a master (then I use both > DAT and cassette......). > > Regards, > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > Just to stand in OT, I want to says here that I own also a good JVC home > DAT > > deck. > > Believe it or not, but I bought it before even owning a real cassette > deck, > > that was to be a Sony TC-K750ES two years after. > > > > As I play music, I wanted then to masterise to DAT my work, done on 4 > track > > Tascam Portastudio. > > > > I use it the less I can. Just because DAT recording are perfect, & the > deck > > mecanism fragile--compared to Nakamichi, all is fragile!!!---. I want the > > machine lasting. > > When my hifi was getting up, then I choosed Nakamichi to be my music > > companion. > > > > Can you imagine even a digital Nak 1000, lasting for more than 20 years > > troublefree ??? > > What you loose on audio parameters is gained in gear longevity & analogue > > living sound (air feeling...) with Nakamichi....but not on all Naks !!! > > > > Recently I use to record live performances with my Sony WM-D6 "pro" > walkman > > then transfert the tapes with Dragon to DAT. > > > > I use then the DAT safety copies to make analogue copies for friends & me. > > > > Matyas > > > > PS: for lower cost DAT cassettes, watch your music instrument shop for. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 23:30:31 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:30:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5752@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick! Cool to hear from you, it was long we haven't ! No problem to me, if Stephen have not the time for, tomorrow I can manage to make PDF for the Logic & Azimuth PCB schematics pages then send it to the Naks FTP. Before the ftp uploading, I will send you the Azimuth page. Do you accept lighter DjVU ? Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), but > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found Q832 > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was not > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > Regards > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jle at lig.di.epfl.ch Fri Aug 31 00:07:03 2001 From: jle at lig.di.epfl.ch (Joachim Esmerado) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:07:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? References: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> <09fa01c13005$e7a03310$9865fea9@D9569601> Message-ID: <3B8EB907.D457506E@lig.di.epfl.ch> Matyas wrote: > > I use the sony casscorder wm-d6 because for money it is OK. I bought it 150 > CHF (~60 usd). > The problem with the d6 is that one have to use UX-S tapes, for good dolby > tracking, and results with UX-S are neutral but short in hights to me. (or > one have to calibrate for other tape type and I haven't its manual yet.) If I'm not mistaken, the so-called Sony "Professional Walkman" cuts off on highs at about 15kHz. On the lower end I think it doens't go very low either. I guess it's the price to pay for an otherwise interesting flat response everywhere else between the two. Amazing quantity of printed circuit inside... I've seen it recently being still proposed at around 900 CHF new, I think you got lucky there! Mine was made in 1984. Regards -J > Being Sony techie myself (apprentice), I don't want to own a machine lighter > than the d6. (you see what I think about nowadays quality..) > Regards, > Matyas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > Matyas, > > > > Your live recordings would be much better were you to acquire a pair of > Sony > > things....a DATman (not a D7; current pro model...very small, > black..don't > > recollect model number)..and a Sony sbm1000 (again, not sure of model > > number......it is an analogue to digital converter for same deck...plug > your > > mic's into this and then this into the dat man and you are off to the > > races). > > > > It will blow away that mediocre (sorry, it is) Tascam portastudio; the > > portastudio never made cassette masters that sounded as good as the tapes > we > > made with Sony TCD5M cassette recorders of when I was fortunate enough to > > have AC so I could use a Nakamichi zx9 to make a master (then I use both > > DAT and cassette......). > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > > > > > Just to stand in OT, I want to says here that I own also a good JVC home > > DAT > > > deck. > > > Believe it or not, but I bought it before even owning a real cassette > > deck, > > > that was to be a Sony TC-K750ES two years after. > > > > > > As I play music, I wanted then to masterise to DAT my work, done on 4 > > track > > > Tascam Portastudio. > > > > > > I use it the less I can. Just because DAT recording are perfect, & the > > deck > > > mecanism fragile--compared to Nakamichi, all is fragile!!!---. I want > the > > > machine lasting. > > > When my hifi was getting up, then I choosed Nakamichi to be my music > > > companion. > > > > > > Can you imagine even a digital Nak 1000, lasting for more than 20 years > > > troublefree ??? > > > What you loose on audio parameters is gained in gear longevity & > analogue > > > living sound (air feeling...) with Nakamichi....but not on all Naks !!! > > > > > > Recently I use to record live performances with my Sony WM-D6 "pro" > > walkman > > > then transfert the tapes with Dragon to DAT. > > > > > > I use then the DAT safety copies to make analogue copies for friends & > me. > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > PS: for lower cost DAT cassettes, watch your music instrument shop for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 31 00:19:04 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:19:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5752@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <005b01c131a1$c8043860$123442cf@sank1> If you can do the Dragon pages, Matyas, that would save me some considerably needed time. Thanks. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > Hi Nick! Cool to hear from you, it was long we haven't ! No problem to me, > if Stephen have not the time for, tomorrow I can manage to make PDF for the > Logic & Azimuth PCB schematics pages then send it to the Naks FTP. > > Before the ftp uploading, I will send you the Azimuth page. Do you accept > lighter DjVU ? > > Regards, > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), > but > > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found > Q832 > > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was not > > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > > > Regards > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 31 00:34:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:34:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5752@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <007701c131a3$f4ed30a0$123442cf@sank1> Nick, I believe you will find gummy grease on the azimuth drive worm shaft. This is a common cause for Q833/Q832 failure. I'd also replace the opamp, IC827, that drives them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), but > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found Q832 > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was not > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > Regards > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:59 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > First, are you seeing a change of state with door open/close on Q831 > > collector? Do you have solid 6.2V at TP802? In stop mode, do you see any > > great noise on the output of either pin 1 or 7 of IC821? And, most > > importantly, have you replaced all of the orange film caps in the whole > > NAAC > > circuit? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:21 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not > > > directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of > > "future-useful" > > to > > > all the people owning Dragons. > > > > > > Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange behaviour, > > > namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to it's > > > "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction > > does. > > As > > > it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as quiet > > > humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a bit > > > uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I > > consider > > > all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? > > > > > > Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC > > system. > > > Some questions roll in in this connection. > > > > > > 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette door > > and > > > in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective marks > > on > > > the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I simply > > > turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, > > nothing > > > happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling between > > > PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be > > clearly > > > seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. > > > Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined up > > and > > > stand still in both directions... > > > > > > 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC power > > > supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some DC-measurements on > > the > > > pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The best > > what > > I > > > got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? > > > > > > 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the > > respective > > > VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An interesting > > > peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR from > > the > > > utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value of > > the > > > same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), whereafter > > it > > > stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. > > > > > > Any comments, please. > > > > > > Best > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 03:25:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:25:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix References: <089601c126f1$dbf49e60$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001701c131bc$b7c5f0e0$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Finally got my loading problem solved, turned out to be an easier fix - a broken power trace which didn't power one of the small gates IC (4001 ?) on bottom foil .... finding out the broken trace is a different story. :-( Both caps with glue read out okay (now cleaned) but another broken trace close to x'tal was hidden by this multi-purpose glue. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in > regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, > I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. > Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In this > case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when powered > up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep spinning > continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After doing > a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered > improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small electrolytics > that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of capacitor > bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms > accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in > under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. > Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 03:29:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:29:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5752@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001801c131bc$bb472860$44289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Can you also send me a copy of these dragon schematics ? Any format will do although gif file would be preferable (can copy & paste to make one page). Nick - long time no hear, where have you been ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > Hi Nick! Cool to hear from you, it was long we haven't ! No problem to me, > if Stephen have not the time for, tomorrow I can manage to make PDF for the > Logic & Azimuth PCB schematics pages then send it to the Naks FTP. > > Before the ftp uploading, I will send you the Azimuth page. Do you accept > lighter DjVU ? > > Regards, > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), > but > > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found > Q832 > > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was not > > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > > > Regards > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Aug 31 13:20:38 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:20:38 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5753@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Matyas, Salim, my distant friends! Thanx a lot for your kind, warm words. It's extremely nice to know, that there's someone out there, who remembers me... maybe even misses sometimes... I'm saiyng this, because when someone says something like "Nick, we haven't heard from you so long! What's up? Where have you been? etc.", this means to me, that my absence hasn't passed unnoticed, which, in turn, means that you guys are not indifferent. Pretty rare streak in our rational days... Thank you. Well, in fact, I've always been around... just kept silence. In addition, this July (just like the whole summer though) in Moscow was abnormally hot (for our region, naturally) - +38°C in the daytime, +29°C by night. Taking into account the general absence of cooling systems at home, brains literally melted... And to be perfectly honest, I prefer to participate in Nak-related topics rather than in babblings of all other kinds, which dominated the Naktalk lately... I'm alright, guys and wish you and your families all the best. I wish I could meet you some day, friends... Nick P.S. Personal thanks to Matyas for sending me the *.djvu files. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have by now the idea to look into my LX-3, I never understand what was the cause for its f*ing dull PB sound..perhaps it is normal for a LX-3..but.. if I recall it is full of those glues....(although less than the 480) Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > Hi Stephen, > > Finally got my loading problem solved, turned out to be an easier fix - a > broken power trace which didn't power one of the small gates IC (4001 ?) on > bottom foil .... finding out the broken trace is a different story. :-( > > Both caps with glue read out okay (now cleaned) but another broken trace > close to x'tal was hidden by this multi-purpose glue. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] TD-700/500 Easy problem fix > > > > If anybody out there has a TD-700/500 that has flaked out, especially in > > regards to tape loading & transport malfunctions of non-mechanical origin, > > I've just cured a TD-500, which had chewed up it's main loading worm gear. > > Turned out to be simply a case of good old brown glue conductivity. In > this > > case, I had already removed all of the glue visible, but still, when > powered > > up, the carriage would load, with no tape in & the motor would keep > spinning > > continuously, which would eventually chew up the new worm gear. After > doing > > a bunch of voltage readings around the tape control CPU, I discovered > > improper reset line voltage. Turns out that one of two small > electrolytics > > that are soldered on the foil side of the board, with the pair of > capacitor > > bodies recessed into a cutout in the board, nearby the CPU, read 73 ohms > > accross it's pins. Pulled up a leg & found that some glue had seeped in > > under the two bits of lead insulating tubing pieces, completely hidden. > > Removed the glue & problems disappeared. Sneaky bastard! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 17:06:00 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:06:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk References: <7d.19f3ca14.28bc80f3@aol.com> <09fa01c13005$e7a03310$9865fea9@D9569601> <3B8EB907.D457506E@lig.di.epfl.ch> Message-ID: Joachim, I see you're coming from Switzerland ! By now we are the 2 only ones Swiss Nakers! Your e-mail is EPFL based, and if I recall, wasn't you who bought a 682ZX in Lausane at ABC televideo, two years ago??? If it is the case, does your 682ZX runs fine? It is one of the very best Nak decks & you must keep it !!! If you don't want it anymore, I am ready to buy it... or to repair it ! Do you find better tapes than UX-S for Dolby-C taping with your wm-d6 ? Salutations ;o) Matyas Csillagi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Esmerado" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > If I'm not mistaken, the so-called Sony "Professional Walkman" cuts off on highs at > about 15kHz. On the lower end I think it doens't go very low either. I guess it's the > price to pay for an otherwise interesting flat response everywhere else between the > two. Amazing quantity of printed circuit inside... I've seen it recently being still > proposed at around 900 CHF new, I think you got lucky there! Mine was made in 1984. > > Regards > > -J ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Aug 31 17:36:49 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:36:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk Message-ID: I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... Marc >>> Nakamikaze at hotmail.com 08/31/01 05:06PM >>> Joachim, I see you're coming from Switzerland ! By now we are the 2 only ones Swiss Nakers! Your e-mail is EPFL based, and if I recall, wasn't you who bought a 682ZX in Lausane at ABC televideo, two years ago??? If it is the case, does your 682ZX runs fine? It is one of the very best Nak decks & you must keep it !!! If you don't want it anymore, I am ready to buy it... or to repair it ! Do you find better tapes than UX-S for Dolby-C taping with your wm-d6 ? Salutations ;o) Matyas Csillagi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Esmerado" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > If I'm not mistaken, the so-called Sony "Professional Walkman" cuts off on highs at > about 15kHz. On the lower end I think it doens't go very low either. I guess it's the > price to pay for an otherwise interesting flat response everywhere else between the > two. Amazing quantity of printed circuit inside... I've seen it recently being still > proposed at around 900 CHF new, I think you got lucky there! Mine was made in 1984. > > Regards > > -J ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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"land of nakamichi" ... heh heh. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > Marc > > >>> Nakamikaze at hotmail.com 08/31/01 05:06PM >>> > Joachim, I see you're coming from Switzerland ! By now we are the 2 only > ones Swiss Nakers! Your e-mail is EPFL based, and if I recall, wasn't you > who bought a 682ZX in Lausane at ABC televideo, two years ago??? > > If it is the case, does your 682ZX runs fine? > It is one of the very best Nak decks & you must keep it !!! > If you don't want it anymore, I am ready to buy it... or to repair it ! > > Do you find better tapes than UX-S for Dolby-C taping with your wm-d6 ? > > Salutations ;o) > Matyas Csillagi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joachim Esmerado" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > If I'm not mistaken, the so-called Sony "Professional Walkman" cuts off on > highs at > > about 15kHz. On the lower end I think it doens't go very low either. I > guess it's the > > price to pay for an otherwise interesting flat response everywhere else > between the > > two. Amazing quantity of printed circuit inside... I've seen it recently > being still > > proposed at around 900 CHF new, I think you got lucky there! Mine was made > in 1984. > > > > Regards > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 18:54:50 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:54:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5753@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <004801c1323d$bad50100$4d289bca@smarzuki> You're more than welcome, buddy ! As long as it doesn't involve a physical hug ...:-) BTW, now that Stephen already offered a space on his website / server, I can't wait to see my cyberfriends here ! Maybe ones with digicam can start the process by posing nicely in front of his (or hers ... :-) favorite Nak ? no G strings please .... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Matyas, Salim, my distant friends! Thanx a lot for your kind, warm words. It's extremely nice to know, that there's someone out there, who remembers me... maybe even misses sometimes... I'm saiyng this, because when someone says something like "Nick, we haven't heard from you so long! What's up? Where have you been? etc.", this means to me, that my absence hasn't passed unnoticed, which, in turn, means that you guys are not indifferent. Pretty rare streak in our rational days... Thank you. Well, in fact, I've always been around... just kept silence. In addition, this July (just like the whole summer though) in Moscow was abnormally hot (for our region, naturally) - +38°C in the daytime, +29°C by night. Taking into account the general absence of cooling systems at home, brains literally melted... And to be perfectly honest, I prefer to participate in Nak-related topics rather than in babblings of all other kinds, which dominated the Naktalk lately... I'm alright, guys and wish you and your families all the best. I wish I could meet you some day, friends... Nick P.S. Personal thanks to Matyas for sending me the *.djvu files. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 18:58:28 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:58:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... Message-ID: <005001c1323e$2857fa20$4d289bca@smarzuki> RX505 at $400, last 7 hours ... I really envy you, Alex. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268953389 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Fri Aug 31 19:45:35 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:45:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... In-Reply-To: <005001c1323e$2857fa20$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Looks like I got lucky paying $330 for mine. You should get it, Salim! Fun deck. I haven't been listening much recently because I got two other toys in inventory right now. A 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1989 Porsche 911C4. Now THOSE are fun fun fun!!! I'm getting attached to the 87 coupe...but I can't do that being in the business :-) Definitely a perk, though...dealing in Porsches and other import stuff. Alex Cagann > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:58 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... > > > > RX505 at $400, last 7 hours ... I really envy you, Alex. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268953389 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Aug 31 19:51:29 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:51:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... Message-ID: <12e.3e5b761.28c128a1@aol.com> In a message dated 8/31/2001 12:47:02 PM Central Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Looks like I got lucky paying $330 for mine. You should get it, Salim! Fun deck. I haven't been listening much recently because I got two other toys in inventory right now. A 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1989 Porsche 911C4. Now THOSE are fun fun fun!!! I'm getting attached to the 87 coupe...but I can't do that being in the business :-) Definitely a perk, though...dealing in Porsches and other import stuff. Alex Cagann >> Wow, I applaud you both as given the recent prices in Naks I find $330 and $450 a little on the high side. Having said that, the RX-505 Salim is bidding on appears to be in excellent condition and worth a premium price. Looks like a fun deck and unless I'm mistaken not a bad sounding deck according to previous discussions on this list. So congratulations on your new Nak and enjoy it! I know I am enjoying mine, and thus enjoying cassettes in a way I never have before! -SamTheCR-7Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 22:28:46 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:28:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... References: <12e.3e5b761.28c128a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c1325b$89dd9ee0$54289bca@smarzuki> Sam, I didn't put a bid on that 505 ... my pocket only like local Naks. Wish I have such a bulky full featured deck in my room - really enjoyed auto reverse deck but would like to keep dragon on 'low hours'. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] what a hunk ... > In a message dated 8/31/2001 12:47:02 PM Central Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << Looks like I got lucky paying $330 for mine. You should get it, Salim! > Fun > deck. I haven't been listening much recently because I got two other toys > in inventory right now. A 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1989 Porsche > 911C4. Now THOSE are fun fun fun!!! I'm getting attached to the 87 > coupe...but I can't do that being in the business :-) Definitely a perk, > though...dealing in Porsches and other import stuff. > > Alex Cagann >> > > Wow, I applaud you both as given the recent prices in Naks I find $330 and > $450 a little on the high side. Having said that, the RX-505 Salim is > bidding on appears to be in excellent condition and worth a premium price. > Looks like a fun deck and unless I'm mistaken not a bad sounding deck > according to previous discussions on this list. So congratulations on your > new Nak and enjoy it! I know I am enjoying mine, and thus enjoying cassettes > in a way I never have before! > > -SamTheCR-7Man > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 31 22:36:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:36:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... References: Message-ID: <000f01c1325c$8f479e20$54289bca@smarzuki> Thank you Alex, wish I can find one 505 locally ! I used to 'hang around' one Porsche speed shop in NJ back in 89. Goodness, 350 bhp on such small body ! It's a sin to drive those at 55 ... you should move to Klaus' part of the ocean. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what a hunk ... > Looks like I got lucky paying $330 for mine. You should get it, Salim! Fun > deck. I haven't been listening much recently because I got two other toys > in inventory right now. A 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1989 Porsche > 911C4. Now THOSE are fun fun fun!!! I'm getting attached to the 87 > coupe...but I can't do that being in the business :-) Definitely a perk, > though...dealing in Porsches and other import stuff. > > Alex Cagann > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:58 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... > > > > > > > > RX505 at $400, last 7 hours ... I really envy you, Alex. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268953389 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From alipset at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 23:22:39 2001 From: alipset at yahoo.com (Alan Lipset) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:22:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do any of you Naktalkers live in Spain? I need a good itinerary for 9 days, flying into Madrid on Oct 1. Just me and my pregnant wife. Any travel suggestions greatly appreciated. Please email me privately. Thanks, Alan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2001\2001-9.txt ************************************************************************ From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Sep 1 00:52:17 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:52:17 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5754@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How would you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? Regards Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > Marc > > >>> Nakamikaze at hotmail.com 08/31/01 05:06PM >>> > Joachim, I see you're coming from Switzerland ! By now we are the 2 only > ones Swiss Nakers! Your e-mail is EPFL based, and if I recall, wasn't you > who bought a 682ZX in Lausane at ABC televideo, two years ago??? > > If it is the case, does your 682ZX runs fine? > It is one of the very best Nak decks & you must keep it !!! > If you don't want it anymore, I am ready to buy it... or to repair it ! > > Do you find better tapes than UX-S for Dolby-C taping with your wm-d6 ? > > Salutations ;o) > Matyas Csillagi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joachim Esmerado" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Does anyone DAT? > > > If I'm not mistaken, the so-called Sony "Professional Walkman" cuts off > on > highs at > > about 15kHz. On the lower end I think it doens't go very low either. I > guess it's the > > price to pay for an otherwise interesting flat response everywhere else > between the > > two. Amazing quantity of printed circuit inside... I've seen it recently > being still > > proposed at around 900 CHF new, I think you got lucky there! Mine was > made > in 1984. > > > > Regards > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 00:40:43 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:40:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "wrong sound" References: <004301c1323c$c2efb340$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Interesting, Salim... you don't like it ? In fact I never heard it. I just simply love the 582 & 680ZX sound, and I strongly suspect the 682ZX to be an exact replica of their vital parts, same pb amp, same rec amp...etc. with Dolby C in addition.I do know how sounds the fist generation Dolby-C Naks, only on the low end, LX-3, 480z, but if the 682ZX have the same quality it is sure I will not give a buck for. It exist difference of sound between same Naks model, and I wonder about what is involved ! Bad to begin with a worst example but I must say that my two 582 unmatched sound behaviour is mostly due to the first one that has receive modifications like Neutric re-wiring, cap bypass, incremented can cap value in the PS....op amp replacement...the only thing I know is since I done my mods, the first 582 was incredible by comparison to what it was. The second 582 I get was from the beginning a clear winner compared to my modified 582... The second one have never been modified & would never be, I think !!! Actually, my client's 680ZX simply have a cleaner, more forward and wider sound than mine. Interesting fact is that his 680ZX is serial N°12540 and it is full of military grade 4558 with the metal shield & golden leads !!! mine is N°6950 and it don't have any. Does my client's one a rare model ??? The Dragon a buddy had was clearly better than mine, both in source & tape monitoring.... Any comments ? does Orange caps are so magisterially esoteric ...so...hmm...shitty ??? Enough to stand crazy !!!! Thanks, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk << > Bummer ... my 682zx is the only one left which is still not properly > calibrated. "wrong sound" compared to 680zx ... measured good though (some > orange caps not replaced yet). > > BTW, nobody else from Asia here ? "land of nakamichi" ... heh heh. :-) >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 00:31:47 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:31:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers Message-ID: Friends, just for fun, I want to know whether I am the only one to keep all the Naktalk messages..sure I am not ! Yesterday I counted more than 6600 messages...since my entry the 9.08.99 :-) ~33 Mo, A very nice archive! Matyas PS: I am interested to know how Naktalk started, may I dare to ask someone the ten or twenty first messages ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 00:56:39 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:56:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5753@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hey Nick, you're welcome, I share your vision on the OT that spreads its wings on the Naktalk these days, moreover you're of those that delve your brain to find no habitual clues.. rare specie too!...fun to remember the capstan equation... :o) I don't want to offend anyone on Off Topic existence there because a 'community' just cannot speak all along the time the same things, leading to nausea, but I simply have no time to read all the messages...and I did not have a sufficient English to float into. Sincerely, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] > Matyas, Salim, my distant friends! > > Thanx a lot for your kind, warm words. It's extremely nice to know, that > there's someone out there, who remembers me... maybe even misses > sometimes... I'm saiyng this, because when someone says something like > "Nick, we haven't heard from you so long! What's up? Where have you been? > etc.", this means to me, that my absence hasn't passed unnoticed, which, in > turn, means that you guys are not indifferent. Pretty rare streak in our > rational days... Thank you. > > Well, in fact, I've always been around... just kept silence. In addition, > this July (just like the whole summer though) in Moscow was abnormally hot > (for our region, naturally) - +38°C in the daytime, +29°C by night. Taking > into account the general absence of cooling systems at home, brains > literally melted... And to be perfectly honest, I prefer to participate in > Nak-related topics rather than in babblings of all other kinds, which > dominated the Naktalk lately... > > I'm alright, guys and wish you and your families all the best. I wish I > could meet you some day, friends... > > Nick > > P.S. Personal thanks to Matyas for sending me the *.djvu files. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 02:01:45 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:01:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual Message-ID: How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? Thanks, Matyas PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned with Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with Acrobat PDF Writer. 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. You'll find : Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz osc) Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, but lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage documents with ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 1 02:16:41 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:16:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what a hunk ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c1327b$6006a920$cfd5883e@a4s1s2> Alex Can I come and work for you? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: 31 August 2001 18:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] what a hunk ... Looks like I got lucky paying $330 for mine. You should get it, Salim! Fun deck. I haven't been listening much recently because I got two other toys in inventory right now. A 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1989 Porsche 911C4. Now THOSE are fun fun fun!!! I'm getting attached to the 87 coupe...but I can't do that being in the business :-) Definitely a perk, though...dealing in Porsches and other import stuff. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 1 02:25:05 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:25:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c1327c$8c65cd60$cfd5883e@a4s1s2> Alan Pregnant wife? Itinerary? Stay in walking distance of a hospital and keep a good cigar in your pocket! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alan Lipset Sent: 31 August 2001 22:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Spain Do any of you Naktalkers live in Spain? I need a good itinerary for 9 days, flying into Madrid on Oct 1. Just me and my pregnant wife. Any travel suggestions greatly appreciated. Please email me privately. Thanks, Alan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 1 02:31:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:31:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual References: Message-ID: <020801c1327d$7fd12bc0$123442cf@sank1> Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the ftp site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > Thanks, > Matyas > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned with > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > You'll find : > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz osc) > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, but > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage documents > with ? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 1 05:12:43 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:12:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh In-Reply-To: <020801c1327d$7fd12bc0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How does the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the ftp site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > Thanks, > Matyas > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned with > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > You'll find : > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz osc) > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, but > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage documents > with ? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 1 06:35:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:35:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: Message-ID: <023a01c1329f$82fd1ee0$123442cf@sank1> The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model with a warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an MR67, a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp section. The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to "pretty nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & oranges to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better than the average ss digital tuner. So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were three versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of the serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like the MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the MR71 style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 compactron tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes them sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass tube to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight increase in sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control layout. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How does > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the ftp > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > Thanks, > > Matyas > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned > with > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > You'll find : > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz > osc) > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, but > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage documents > > with ? > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 1 07:13:21 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:13:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh In-Reply-To: <023a01c1329f$82fd1ee0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with good cosmetics? no original packaging box thanks carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model with a warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an MR67, a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp section. The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to "pretty nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & oranges to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better than the average ss digital tuner. So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were three versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of the serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like the MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the MR71 style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 compactron tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes them sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass tube to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight increase in sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control layout. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How does > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the ftp > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > Thanks, > > Matyas > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned > with > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > You'll find : > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz > osc) > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, but > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage documents > > with ? > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 1 07:33:49 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:33:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: Message-ID: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the "ugly" M series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 average for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a separate Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with good > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > thanks > carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model with a > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an MR67, > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp section. > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to "pretty > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & oranges > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better than > the average ss digital tuner. > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were three > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of the > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like the > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the MR71 > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 compactron > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes them > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass tube > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight increase in > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control layout. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How > does > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the > ftp > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matyas > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned > > with > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > You'll find : > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz > > osc) > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, > but > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage > documents > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 1 09:30:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:30:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] "wrong sound" References: <004301c1323c$c2efb340$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002701c132b9$c531d340$51289bca@smarzuki> Matyas, my 682 still has problems and internal wiring really gave me headache ! Probably the pb / rec stroke needs to be adjusted a bit but that process really consumes time and patience. Combination of new head, electronics problem and no tools is just too much for now. Right now it sounds less 'aggressive' than the 680zx, but I'm sure it has more than that in healthy condition. Say If you are pressed to choose only one between your 582 and 680zx, which one would that be ? Did you also tweak your 680zx ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "wrong sound" Interesting, Salim... you don't like it ? In fact I never heard it. I just simply love the 582 & 680ZX sound, and I strongly suspect the 682ZX to be an exact replica of their vital parts, same pb amp, same rec amp...etc. with Dolby C in addition.I do know how sounds the fist generation Dolby-C Naks, only on the low end, LX-3, 480z, but if the 682ZX have the same quality it is sure I will not give a buck for. It exist difference of sound between same Naks model, and I wonder about what is involved ! Bad to begin with a worst example but I must say that my two 582 unmatched sound behaviour is mostly due to the first one that has receive modifications like Neutric re-wiring, cap bypass, incremented can cap value in the PS....op amp replacement...the only thing I know is since I done my mods, the first 582 was incredible by comparison to what it was. The second 582 I get was from the beginning a clear winner compared to my modified 582... The second one have never been modified & would never be, I think !!! Actually, my client's 680ZX simply have a cleaner, more forward and wider sound than mine. Interesting fact is that his 680ZX is serial N°12540 and it is full of military grade 4558 with the metal shield & golden leads !!! mine is N°6950 and it don't have any. Does my client's one a rare model ??? The Dragon a buddy had was clearly better than mine, both in source & tape monitoring.... Any comments ? does Orange caps are so magisterially esoteric ...so...hmm...shitty ??? Enough to stand crazy !!!! Thanks, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk << > Bummer ... my 682zx is the only one left which is still not properly > calibrated. "wrong sound" compared to 680zx ... measured good though (some > orange caps not replaced yet). > > BTW, nobody else from Asia here ? "land of nakamichi" ... heh heh. :-) >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 1 09:15:47 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:15:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers References: Message-ID: <002601c132b9$c17fc7c0$51289bca@smarzuki> Matyas, how can that be ? I joined one year later, kept all messages and after my hard disk was trashed on Dec 31, I already have 4125 msgs, so on previous year naktalk traffic was easier ? Remembered my first week here I panicked seeing 30-40 msgs a day ! ZX dragon deck talks and all I have is my trusty cr4. Maybe you can ask Wouter for that first 10-20 msgs, I'd like to read those too ! Previously I enjoyed rahe-digest but now there's no digest anymore and simply too high end for me. What made Nakamichi so interesting is that its decks are consistently world apart from others and this phenomenon doesn't occur say between cd players or other source unless it involves megabuck. Looks like the secret is in the P-8L head ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers > Friends, just for fun, I want to know whether I am the only one to keep all > the Naktalk messages..sure I am not ! Yesterday I counted more than 6600 > messages...since my entry the 9.08.99 :-) > ~33 Mo, A very nice archive! > Matyas > > PS: I am interested to know how Naktalk started, may I dare to ask someone > the ten or twenty first messages ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 1 09:42:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:42:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5754@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002801c132b9$c8684620$51289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still handicapped, but it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon and cr7 better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How do you like your 680zx compared to dragon ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How would > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > Regards > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 14:05:35 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:05:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> I think there may be 2 different M versions. One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. My M is the common type and sounds delicious! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the "ugly" M > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 average > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a separate > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with good > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > thanks > > carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model with a > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an > MR67, > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp section. > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to "pretty > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & oranges > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better than > > the average ss digital tuner. > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were three > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of the > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like the > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the MR71 > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > compactron > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes them > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass tube > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight increase in > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control > layout. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How > > does > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just > email > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the > > ftp > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make > it > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matyas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned > > > with > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > You'll find : > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz > > > osc) > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, > > but > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage > > documents > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 1 20:43:48 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:43:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series In-Reply-To: <002801c132b9$c8684620$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works fine; any thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know there is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... regards carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series Hi Nick, Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still handicapped, but it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon and cr7 better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How do you like your 680zx compared to dragon ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How would > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > Regards > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 1 21:41:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:41:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's had the thumbwheel balance in the middle. Delicious is the right word. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the "ugly" M > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 average > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a separate > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with good > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > thanks > > > carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model with a > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an > > MR67, > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp section. > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to "pretty > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & oranges > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better than > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were three > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of the > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like the > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the MR71 > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > compactron > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes them > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass tube > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight increase in > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control > > layout. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? How > > > does > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just > > email > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the > > > ftp > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make > > it > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon scaned > > > > with > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted with > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & 15kHz > > > > osc) > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control PCB). > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at all, > > > but > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage > > > documents > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 1 22:05:08 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:05:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series References: Message-ID: <030601c13321$67407760$123442cf@sank1> >From what I'm seeing, $300-400 for a nice 680. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works fine; any > thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know there > is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... > > regards > carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:42 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > Hi Nick, > > Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still handicapped, but > it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon and cr7 > better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How do you > like your 680zx compared to dragon ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How would > > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > > > Regards > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 22:23:07 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:23:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> Wait a minute My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. And it has the coax power / balance pot. I swear it! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's had > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > Delicious is the right word. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > Javier > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > "ugly" M > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > average > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > separate > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > good > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model > with a > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an > > > MR67, > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > section. > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > "pretty > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > oranges > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better > than > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > three > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of > the > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like > the > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the > MR71 > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > compactron > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes > them > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass > tube > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > increase in > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control > > > layout. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? > How > > > > does > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just > > > email > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to > the > > > > ftp > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can > make > > > it > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon > scaned > > > > > with > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted > with > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & > 15kHz > > > > > osc) > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at > all, > > > > but > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage > > > > documents > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Sep 1 23:07:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:07:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5755@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> That dirt cheap for a Nak like that? Especially nice... Why? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > From what I'm seeing, $300-400 for a nice 680. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:43 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works fine; > any > > thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know > there > > is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... > > > > regards > > carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:42 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still handicapped, > but > > it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon and > cr7 > > better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How do > you > > like your 680zx compared to dragon ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How > would > > > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > > > > > Regards > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 2 01:30:23 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:30:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5755@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B916F8E.4DB5A8DE@earthlink.net> $300 - $400 is in line with the prices I've seen recently on ebay. Jim Volpatti Igritski Nick wrote: > > That dirt cheap for a Nak like that? Especially nice... Why? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:05 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > From what I'm seeing, $300-400 for a nice 680. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:43 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works fine; > > any > > > thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know > > there > > > is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... > > > > > > regards > > > carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 2 04:22:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:22:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > Wait a minute > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > I swear it! > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's had > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > "ugly" M > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > average > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > separate > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > good > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a model > > with a > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost exactly an > > > > MR67, > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > section. > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > "pretty > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > oranges > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much better > > than > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > three > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle of > > the > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, like > > the > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had the > > MR71 > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a cathode > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > compactron > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually makes > > them > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a glass > > tube > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > increase in > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in control > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube models)? > > How > > > > > does > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just > > > > email > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to > > the > > > > > ftp > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can > > make > > > > it > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the N-Dragon > > scaned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf converted > > with > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz & > > 15kHz > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor control > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight at > > all, > > > > > but > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce multipage > > > > > documents > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 2 04:23:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:23:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5755@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <034701c13356$448bc820$123442cf@sank1> I agree it is a low price range, but there has been a glut of Naks on the market in the last year, so they're almost all down. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > That dirt cheap for a Nak like that? Especially nice... Why? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:05 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > From what I'm seeing, $300-400 for a nice 680. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:43 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works fine; > > any > > > thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know > > there > > > is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... > > > > > > regards > > > carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Salim Marzuki > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:42 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > > > Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still handicapped, > > but > > > it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon and > > cr7 > > > better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How do > > you > > > like your 680zx compared to dragon ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > > > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How > > would > > > > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > > > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the greats.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 04:54:10 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 22:54:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) I'm guessing it a very late M Well how about that! another oddball I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > Wait a minute > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > I swear it! > > Javier > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's > had > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > > "ugly" M > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > > average > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > > separate > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > > good > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > model > > > with a > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > exactly an > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > > section. > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > > "pretty > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > > oranges > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > better > > > than > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > > three > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle > of > > > the > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, > like > > > the > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had > the > > > MR71 > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > cathode > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > > compactron > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > makes > > > them > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a > glass > > > tube > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > increase in > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > control > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > models)? > > > How > > > > > > does > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can > just > > > > > email > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add > it to > > > the > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I > can > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > N-Dragon > > > scaned > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > converted > > > with > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz > & > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > control > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight > at > > > all, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > multipage > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 2 05:03:15 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:03:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B91A16F.AF13A7F@snet.net> As long as we're at it, if you want a tremendous resource for McIntosh info... first hand as an engineer for them from about 1968 or, check out Roger Russel's page. http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm Ed Javier Perez wrote: > It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) > I'm guessing it a very late M > Well how about that! another oddball > I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 > range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 > The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the > SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not > a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. > I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far > back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. > See Ya > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've > > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > Wait a minute > > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > > I swear it! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's > > had > > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > > > "ugly" M > > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > > > average > > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > > > separate > > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > > > good > > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > > model > > > > with a > > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > > exactly an > > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > > > section. > > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > > > "pretty > > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > > > oranges > > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > > better > > > > than > > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > > > three > > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, > > like > > > > the > > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had > > the > > > > MR71 > > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > > cathode > > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > > > compactron > > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > > makes > > > > them > > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a > > glass > > > > tube > > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > > increase in > > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > > control > > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > > models)? > > > > How > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can > > just > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add > > it to > > > > the > > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I > > can > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > > N-Dragon > > > > scaned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > > converted > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz > > & > > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > > control > > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight > > at > > > > all, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > > multipage > > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 05:05:40 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:05:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B91A203.C436890C@yahoo.com> BTW: As I ALMOST found out You can ruin a unit by following the wrong schematic! I was going crazy trying to get the MPX to work on that thing. Neither of the chematics jived with what I was looking at so I began by proceeding on the asumtion that some home DIYer had modified it for whatever reason and started to demod the thing. When that didn't pan out I undid the undo and had to rely on my own wits! Nerve racking really. Javier Javier Perez wrote: > > It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) > I'm guessing it a very late M > Well how about that! another oddball > I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 > range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 > The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the > SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not > a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. > I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far > back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. > See Ya > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've > > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > Wait a minute > > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > > I swear it! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's > > had > > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > > > "ugly" M > > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > > > average > > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > > > separate > > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > > > good > > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > > model > > > > with a > > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > > exactly an > > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > > > section. > > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > > > "pretty > > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > > > oranges > > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > > better > > > > than > > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > > > three > > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, > > like > > > > the > > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had > > the > > > > MR71 > > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > > cathode > > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > > > compactron > > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > > makes > > > > them > > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a > > glass > > > > tube > > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > > increase in > > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > > control > > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > > models)? > > > > How > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can > > just > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add > > it to > > > > the > > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I > > can > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > > N-Dragon > > > > scaned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > > converted > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz > > & > > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > > control > > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight > > at > > > > all, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > > multipage > > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 2 05:16:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 21:16:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <038101c1335d$aaf14c00$123442cf@sank1> You know, it's been so long since I've seen an X series, which are quite rare, that I forgot that it did not have the cosmetics of the Z series. I think I have worked on one or two X series in all these years. And that is an X series, as shown by the serial number. That must be an unusually rare MR71, as I have never seen one with a non-black pot on the SCA filter. I don't imagine it was a later replacement part. I've owned two MX110's(an M and a Z) and three MR71's, but I never kept them longer than a year, because I've never lived anywhere with decent FM radio stations to justify having a great tuner. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) > I'm guessing it a very late M > Well how about that! another oddball > I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 > range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 > The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the > SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not > a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. > I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far > back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. > See Ya > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've > > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > Wait a minute > > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > > I swear it! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's > > had > > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > > > "ugly" M > > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > > > average > > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > > > separate > > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > > > good > > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > > model > > > > with a > > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > > exactly an > > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > > > section. > > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > > > "pretty > > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > > > oranges > > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > > better > > > > than > > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > > > three > > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, > > like > > > > the > > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had > > the > > > > MR71 > > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > > cathode > > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > > > compactron > > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > > makes > > > > them > > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a > > glass > > > > tube > > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > > increase in > > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > > control > > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > > models)? > > > > How > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can > > just > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add > > it to > > > > the > > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I > > can > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > > N-Dragon > > > > scaned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > > converted > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz > > & > > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > > control > > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight > > at > > > > all, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > > multipage > > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 05:17:23 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:17:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> <3B91A16F.AF13A7F@snet.net> Message-ID: <3B91A4C3.E9FC542B@yahoo.com> Quite so Roger Russel has the most informative Mac resource page I've seen on the web. The only other sites I can think of that equal it is the Scott page at http://www.hhscott.com and our own Nak page. Unfortunately, as internet capabilities increase people are discovering that they can make money off information so it's difficult to fing good resource pages with schematics and manuals even when copyright issues aren't a problem. Javier Ed Noyes wrote: > > As long as we're at it, if you want a tremendous resource for McIntosh info... first > hand as an engineer for them from about 1968 or, check out Roger Russel's page. > > http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm > > Ed > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) > > I'm guessing it a very late M > > Well how about that! another oddball > > I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 > > range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 > > The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the > > SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not > > a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. > > I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far > > back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, I've > > > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > > > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > Wait a minute > > > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > > > I swear it! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series MX110's > > > had > > > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even the > > > > > "ugly" M > > > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and $7-800 > > > > > average > > > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying a > > > > > separate > > > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition with > > > > > good > > > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > > > model > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > > > exactly an > > > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, preamp > > > > > section. > > > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" to > > > > > "pretty > > > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather apples & > > > > > oranges > > > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There were > > > > > three > > > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the middle > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic style, > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series had > > > the > > > > > MR71 > > > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > > > cathode > > > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a 6D10 > > > > > > > compactron > > > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > > > makes > > > > > them > > > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from a > > > glass > > > > > tube > > > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > > > increase in > > > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > > > control > > > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > > > models)? > > > > > How > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can > > > just > > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add > > > it to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I > > > can > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > > > N-Dragon > > > > > scaned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > > > converted > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and 400Hz > > > & > > > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > > > control > > > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no weight > > > at > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > > > multipage > > > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 02:08:13 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:08:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "wrong sound" References: <004301c1323c$c2efb340$4d289bca@smarzuki> <002701c132b9$c531d340$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, To begin, a determinent way to know if a deck is supperior to an ohter is to compare them in souce monitoring, like that, don't worry about mechanics. My 680ZX have only tantalum cap bypass on supply rails. Well before the bypassing, I replaced all the power supply can capacitors by same values, and it doesn't changed anything. You ask me which deck I'll choose under torture between 680ZX and 582... The 680ZX is beautiful, 582 ugly. 680 input line stage (but not the PB !) is affected by interference generated by the FL display leading to noisier recordings, 582 haven't any. On 582, you can under bias, tweak dolby level when you copy tape that were recorded on non adapted decks, compensating btw that wasn't correctly adapted to tape at the recording session, You can only do it with 680ZX by choosing tape that need more bias than SX (tdk SA), and in short, any tapes needs more bias than TDK SA. By the 582 construction, the capstan motor noise is very audible, noise that in 680ZX is totally damped. To a first sake, 680ZX should be my choice.... Let me listen them a day to tell you which of my best 582 or my client's 680ZX I prefer, cause I don't have do it properly yet. The 582 is absolutely not a deck to be ashamed of. It knows what is live sound. Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "wrong sound" > > Matyas, my 682 still has problems and internal wiring really gave me > headache ! Probably the pb / rec stroke needs to be adjusted a bit but that > process really consumes time and patience. Combination of new head, > electronics problem and no tools is just too much for now. > > Right now it sounds less 'aggressive' than the 680zx, but I'm sure it has > more than that in healthy condition. Say If you are pressed to choose only > one between your 582 and 680zx, which one would that be ? Did you also > tweak your 680zx ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "wrong sound" > > > Interesting, Salim... you don't like it ? > > In fact I never heard it. I just simply love the 582 & 680ZX sound, and I > strongly suspect the 682ZX to be an exact replica of their vital parts, same > pb amp, same rec amp...etc. with Dolby C in addition.I do know how sounds > the fist generation Dolby-C Naks, only on the low end, LX-3, 480z, but if > the 682ZX have the same quality it is sure I will not give a buck for. > > It exist difference of sound between same Naks model, and I wonder about > what is involved ! > Bad to begin with a worst example but I must say that my two 582 unmatched > sound behaviour is mostly due to the first one that has receive > modifications like Neutric re-wiring, cap bypass, incremented can cap value > in the PS....op amp replacement...the only thing I know is since I done my > mods, the first 582 was incredible by comparison to what it was. > > The second 582 I get was from the beginning a clear winner compared to my > modified 582... > The second one have never been modified & would never be, I think !!! > > Actually, my client's 680ZX simply have a cleaner, more forward and wider > sound than mine. > Interesting fact is that his 680ZX is serial N°12540 and it is full of > military grade 4558 with the metal shield & golden leads !!! mine is N°6950 > and it don't have any. > > Does my client's one a rare model ??? > > The Dragon a buddy had was clearly better than mine, both in source & tape > monitoring.... > > Any comments ? does Orange caps are so magisterially esoteric > ...so...hmm...shitty ??? > > Enough to stand crazy !!!! > Thanks, Matyas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > << > > Bummer ... my 682zx is the only one left which is still not properly > > calibrated. "wrong sound" compared to 680zx ... measured good though > (some > > orange caps not replaced yet). > > > > BTW, nobody else from Asia here ? "land of nakamichi" ... heh heh. :-) > >> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 05:06:45 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 05:06:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers References: <002601c132b9$c17fc7c0$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim, Naktalk trafic wasn't easier at all...especially during September/October of year 2000 ... Will September 2001 be an another spike on the dragon's back ? May the P-8L's power be with you, fellows ;-) Matyas msgs per month April 01: ~ 500 (outlook trouble: double/tripled recieved msgs, difficult to count/separate) March 01: ~ 900 (outlook trouble: double/tripled recieved msgs, difficult to count/separate) February 01: 204 January 01: 70 December 00: 13 November 00: 294 October 00: 1080 !!! September 00: 1062 !!! August 00 : 193 Jully 00 : 64 June 00: 75 May 00: 0 ----> Naks.com server crash April 00: 1 ----> Naks.com server crash March 00: 85 February 00: 201 January 00: 258 December 99: 111 November 99: 76 October 99: 127 September 99: 223 August 99: 151 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalkers > > Matyas, how can that be ? I joined one year later, kept all messages and > after my hard disk was trashed on Dec 31, I already have 4125 msgs, so on > previous year naktalk traffic was easier ? Remembered my first week here I > panicked seeing 30-40 msgs a day ! ZX dragon deck talks and all I have is > my trusty cr4. Maybe you can ask Wouter for that first 10-20 msgs, I'd like > to read those too ! > > Previously I enjoyed rahe-digest but now there's no digest anymore and > simply too high end for me. What made Nakamichi so interesting is that its > decks are consistently world apart from others and this phenomenon doesn't > occur say between cd players or other source unless it involves megabuck. > Looks like the secret is in the P-8L head ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:31 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers > > > > Friends, just for fun, I want to know whether I am the only one to keep > all > > the Naktalk messages..sure I am not ! Yesterday I counted more than 6600 > > messages...since my entry the 9.08.99 :-) > > ~33 Mo, A very nice archive! > > Matyas > > > > PS: I am interested to know how Naktalk started, may I dare to ask someone > > the ten or twenty first messages ? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 05:40:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:40:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <034101c13356$16d8de40$123442cf@sank1> <3B919F52.ADDBB7DF@yahoo.com> <038101c1335d$aaf14c00$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B91AA35.2836424F@yahoo.com> Hi I think the SCA is original. The part number on top is Z146-135 not sure if it's a legit mac part number It was one of the first things I looked at. The chassis has 2 siamesed circular cutouts for it which struck me as odd. IE: they didn't have the right punch! I don't know how the std 71s are done Also, note that the power tranny is not encased. It's my first and only MR71 which made the ID more difficult. I live in Inwood New York City where the stations are great and come in stong but reception is 10% signal and 90% multipath. See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > You know, it's been so long since I've seen an X series, which are quite > rare, that I forgot that it did not have the cosmetics of the Z series. I > think I have worked on one or two X series in all these years. And that is > an X series, as shown by the serial number. > That must be an unusually rare MR71, as I have never seen one with a > non-black pot on the SCA filter. I don't imagine it was a later replacement > part. > I've owned two MX110's(an M and a Z) and three MR71's, but I never kept them > longer than a year, because I've never lived anywhere with decent FM radio > stations to justify having a great tuner. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > It's a 6AB4 (V110 AUDIO) > > I'm guessing it a very late M > > Well how about that! another oddball > > I've also got an oddball MR71! It has an MR65 > > range serial number but It's clearly an MR71 > > The MPX uses an LDR but is 65ish. It also has the > > SCA. It even has the Panloc so I'm sure it's not > > a converted 65 but possible a very early 71. > > I spoke to McIntosh about it but they don't remember that far > > back. Thanks for the info. I'll send you a pic off list. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Well, Javier, you've got one that in 20 years of Mac tube specialty, > I've > > > never seen. It's the missing link between M & X series! > > > What tube is that in front of the MPX unit? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > Wait a minute > > > > My MX110 has MR65 styling. IE: removable endcaps. > > > > And it has the coax power / balance pot. > > > > I swear it! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, Javier, you're thinking of the X or Z series. All M series > MX110's > > > had > > > > > the thumbwheel balance in the middle. > > > > > Delicious is the right word. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:05 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > I think there may be 2 different M versions. > > > > > > One with the centrally located coax power/balance knob > > > > > > and another with a recessed dial for I think balance. > > > > > > My M is the common type and sounds delicious! > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MX110's have gone up a good bit in the last year or two. Even > the > > > > > "ugly" M > > > > > > > series are hard to get in nice shape for less than $600, and > $7-800 > > > > > average > > > > > > > for X/Z series. But, that's still a bargain compared to buying > a > > > > > separate > > > > > > > Mac tube tuner and any kind of decent tube pre. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:13 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you! what is a fair price for one in working condition > with > > > > > good > > > > > > > > cosmetics? no original packaging box > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:35 PM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only tube tuner preamp in McIntosh is the MX110, and is a > > > model > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > warm spot in my heart. Superb sounding tuner, being almost > > > exactly an > > > > > > > MR67, > > > > > > > > a substantially colored, but in an absolutely lovely way, > preamp > > > > > section. > > > > > > > > The MX112, 113, 114 & 117 that followed ranged from "just OK" > to > > > > > "pretty > > > > > > > > nice". The MX130 & 132 are HT surround pieces, so rather > apples & > > > > > oranges > > > > > > > > to compare, but I'll say that the tuners in them are not much > > > better > > > > > than > > > > > > > > the average ss digital tuner. > > > > > > > > So, to me, the MX110 is the only tuner preamp to get. There > were > > > > > three > > > > > > > > versions of it, designated by a letter, M, X or Z, in the > middle > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > serial number. The first, M series, was the old cosmetic > style, > > > like > > > > > the > > > > > > > > MR65 tuner, which is to say, rather ugly. The X & Z series > had > > > the > > > > > MR71 > > > > > > > > style cosmetics, which I think are beautiful, and also added a > > > cathode > > > > > > > > follower to the line/tone preamp circuits, in the form of a > 6D10 > > > > > > > compactron > > > > > > > > tube(which never, ever go bad), but I can't say this actually > > > makes > > > > > them > > > > > > > > sound better. Also, the first RF stage tube was changed from > a > > > glass > > > > > tube > > > > > > > > to a metal, miniature 6DS4 Nuvistor tube, giving a very slight > > > > > increase in > > > > > > > > sensitivity. Difference between X & Z was a minor change in > > > control > > > > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have experience with the mx113 (or other mx tube > > > models)? > > > > > How > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > the preamp hold up sound wise against other high quality > units? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:32 PM > > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you > can > > > just > > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can > add > > > it to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ftp > > > > > > > > > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and > I > > > can > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp > site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did I do to upload the additional PDF I done ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: The PDF was made as follows: Xeroxes copies of the > > > N-Dragon > > > > > scaned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Djvu at 300 dpi grey scale. Then by "print option" pdf > > > converted > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Acrobat PDF Writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 pages, 1.3 Mo. > > > > > > > > > > You'll find : > > > > > > > > > > Auto Azimuth PCB (which also contains the meter amp. and > 400Hz > > > & > > > > > 15kHz > > > > > > > > > osc) > > > > > > > > > > Mechanism Control (which also contains the capstan Motor > > > control > > > > > PCB). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djvu is an exellent soft, super high resolution with no > weight > > > at > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > lacks of tools, can anybody explain me how to produce > > > multipage > > > > > > > > documents > > > > > > > > > > with ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 05:50:51 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 05:50:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual References: <020801c1327d$7fd12bc0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, my dragon sm copies are OK. BUT the last page which contains the capstan motor control is affected by toner drops, Can you scan this circuit, then send it to me at csaba at isuisse.com for I insert it to my document? Djvu will do.(if you have it, of course) Thanks, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] N-Dragon service manual > Unless Wouter is on vacation, or otherwise out of town, you can just email > it to him directly(naktalk blocks attachments), and he can add it to the ftp > site. If he proves unavailable, you can email it to me, and I can make it > available on my space until we can get it on the naks ftp site. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Sep 2 14:31:38 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:31:38 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5757@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Are there any Nak-models left, which are and always be in big demand, i.e. bidding people will always really fight for, winding up the price without end? Or the Nak-boom, so to say, is generally over? Just curious... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 7:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > I agree it is a low price range, but there has been a glut of Naks on the > market in the last year, so they're almost all down. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > That dirt cheap for a Nak like that? Especially nice... Why? > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:05 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > From what I'm seeing, $300-400 for a nice 680. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:43 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > > > I have a nak 680 (dual speed model) in nice condition that works > fine; > > > any > > > > thoughts on that a fair price for the unit is by any chance? I know > > > there > > > > is someone out there that just has to have a dual speed nakamichi... > > > > > > > > regards > > > > carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 12:42 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > > > > > Can't give any meaningful comparison to 682 as one is still > handicapped, > > > but > > > > it sure is one of the best naks. For playback only I like dragon > and > > > cr7 > > > > better with also a tie between lx5 and 680zx for second place. How > do > > > you > > > > like your 680zx compared to dragon ? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:52 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the help of our good fellow Klaus Fendt I've got a 680ZX. How > > > would > > > > > you, guys, benchmark it amidst other Naks and 682ZX in particular? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:37 AM > > > > > > To: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] two Swiss on Naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > I too have a 682ZX and it is a dream machine. One of the > greats.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 2 06:47:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:47:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalkers References: <002601c132b9$c17fc7c0$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000801c133c3$68732360$5b289bca@smarzuki> No wonder ! I joined at the height of civilization (sep 00) ... prompted me to switch to digest the next week. BTW I think server crashed / moved on Dec 00 ? Lonely nights indeed. August 01 was even higher: 1190 msgs ! (cd burner and dat though) July 01: 473 June 01: 404 May 01: 370 Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalkers > Salim, Naktalk trafic wasn't easier at all...especially during > September/October of year 2000 ... > Will September 2001 be an another spike on the dragon's back ? > > May the P-8L's power be with you, fellows ;-) > Matyas > msgs per month > > April 01: ~ 500 (outlook trouble: double/tripled recieved msgs, > difficult to count/separate) > March 01: ~ 900 (outlook trouble: double/tripled recieved msgs, > difficult to count/separate) > February 01: 204 > January 01: 70 > December 00: 13 > November 00: 294 > October 00: 1080 !!! > September 00: 1062 !!! > August 00 : 193 > Jully 00 : 64 > June 00: 75 > May 00: 0 ----> Naks.com server crash > April 00: 1 ----> Naks.com server crash > March 00: 85 > February 00: 201 > January 00: 258 > December 99: 111 > November 99: 76 > October 99: 127 > September 99: 223 > August 99: 151 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 2 18:53:27 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:53:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5757@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000401c133cf$c9562f40$11d0893e@a4s1s2> My impression of what's been happening, on e-Bay at least, is that the better known Nak's are still holding up fairly well with premium prices - e.g. RX202, RX505, CR7, and (of course!) the Dragon. However, some of the lesser known, but still excellent decks, are not fairing so well - e.g. ZX7, 680, etc.. This doesn't surprise me as I have found in the UK several Nak fanatics (sometimes Dragon or CR7 owners) who have never heard of the ZXL or ZX models! So, I'd not expect much competition from them if I were bidding for one! Perhaps this reflects the extent to which some Nak models were promoted and others were not, the Dragon having got caught into hi fi folklore (often quoted as being "the best cassette deck ever made") while other models are barely known. (Indeed, I must confess at having been surprised to find some models I'd never heard of when I first visited the Nak site.) Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But then, that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi folklore. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Igritski Nick Sent: 02 September 2001 13:32 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series Importance: High Are there any Nak-models left, which are and always be in big demand, i.e. bidding people will always really fight for, winding up the price without end? Or the Nak-boom, so to say, is generally over? Just curious... Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 2 19:13:58 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:13:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: tuner lovers .. get this ! Message-ID: <005e01c133d2$a7c8fbc0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Yamaha T1 buy-it-now for $150 !! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270682045 Quite rare and seems to be in good condition. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Sep 2 23:44:45 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:44:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh Message-ID: <15b.53ea78.28c4024d@aol.com> In a message dated 9/1/2001 10:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << As long as we're at it, if you want a tremendous resource for McIntosh info... first hand as an engineer for them from about 1968 or, check out Roger Russel's page. http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm Ed >> Hi Ed, Since you worked with McIntosh, do you use any of their products in your current system? Also, as an "insider" are there any secrets we should be aware of? (laughing) And finally, what's your take on the loyal McIntosh following? Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Sep 2 23:54:03 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:54:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series Message-ID: <133.108d2ee.28c4047b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 7:31:19 AM Central Daylight Time, Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru writes: << Are there any Nak-models left, which are and always be in big demand, i.e. bidding people will always really fight for, winding up the price without end? Or the Nak-boom, so to say, is generally over? Just curious... Nick >> Hi Nick, It seems like the Dragon continues to demand top dollar. Really depends on the quality of the deck, the quality of the pictures featured in the advertisement, and also original boxes and manuals seem to follow the Dragons that go for top dollar. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sun Sep 2 23:58:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:58:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <118.41cff0d.28c40570@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 11:53:53 AM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But then, that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi folklore. Graham >> Hi Graham, I don't know about the B-215's anymore, although I don't recall viewing any that were in great shape as it seems the last view models all needed some type of work. I would also include the Tandberg 3014/3014a in your description. Awesome/impressive looking decks, but lately I haven't seen one sell in the $600 - $700 range which was common several month ago. I would really like to hear these two decks to understand their performance, especially juxasposed my CR-7. Right now, the CR-7 prices have been low as compared to several months ago as well. Good time to buy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Sep 3 00:19:46 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:19:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: <118.41cff0d.28c40570@aol.com> Message-ID: <004901c133fd$6007a220$4a756acf@johnrotten> Stand by on the ReVox B215's. Hopefully you should see three become available on ebay over the coming weeks! Stand by. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > In a message dated 9/2/2001 11:53:53 AM Central Daylight Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But > then, > that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi > folklore. > > Graham >> > > Hi Graham, > > I don't know about the B-215's anymore, although I don't recall viewing any > that were in great shape as it seems the last view models all needed some > type of work. I would also include the Tandberg 3014/3014a in your > description. Awesome/impressive looking decks, but lately I haven't seen one > sell in the $600 - $700 range which was common several month ago. I would > really like to hear these two decks to understand their performance, > especially juxasposed my CR-7. Right now, the CR-7 prices have been low as > compared to several months ago as well. Good time to buy! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 3 00:23:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:23:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2001 5:22:38 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Stand by on the ReVox B215's. Hopefully you should see three become available on ebay over the coming weeks! Stand by. John >> John, are you selling all of your equipment? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Sep 3 01:05:22 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:05:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: <118.41cff0d.28c40570@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B92BB32.9FA02A8B@earthlink.net> Hi Sam, I've stayed away from the Tandberg and Revox decks simply because finding competent repair service and appropriate parts is more difficult than with Nakamichi. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 11:53:53 AM Central Daylight Time, > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But > then, > that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi > folklore. > > Graham >> > > Hi Graham, > > I don't know about the B-215's anymore, although I don't recall viewing any > that were in great shape as it seems the last view models all needed some > type of work. I would also include the Tandberg 3014/3014a in your > description. Awesome/impressive looking decks, but lately I haven't seen one > sell in the $600 - $700 range which was common several month ago. I would > really like to hear these two decks to understand their performance, > especially juxasposed my CR-7. Right now, the CR-7 prices have been low as > compared to several months ago as well. Good time to buy! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 3 01:18:04 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:18:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <8e.1a621281.28c4182c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 6:08:07 PM Central Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << Hi Sam, I've stayed away from the Tandberg and Revox decks simply because finding competent repair service and appropriate parts is more difficult than with Nakamichi. Jim Volpatti >> Very True. What's your opinion of McIntosh? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Sep 3 01:29:13 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:29:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: <8e.1a621281.28c4182c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B92C0C9.60FF2E6E@earthlink.net> Their older equipment has obvious collector's appeal. Some of it sounds very good too. The only experience I have with their new gear is with the components I've replaced in my customers' systems. As far as service and parts availability, a buyer is probably better off with Mc gear than most other equipment of similar age. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 6:08:07 PM Central Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << > Hi Sam, > > I've stayed away from the Tandberg and Revox decks simply because > finding competent repair service and appropriate parts is more difficult > than with Nakamichi. > > Jim Volpatti > >> > > Very True. What's your opinion of McIntosh? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Sep 3 01:54:18 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:54:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: Message-ID: <005f01c1340a$945f37b0$4a756acf@johnrotten> No. I'll mention the three B215's again when we get closer to selling. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > In a message dated 9/2/2001 5:22:38 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net > writes: > > << Stand by on the ReVox B215's. Hopefully you should see three become > available on ebay over the coming weeks! Stand by. > > John >> > > John, are you selling all of your equipment? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 3 01:58:14 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:58:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <16a.388ae1.28c42196@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 6:56:04 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << No. I'll mention the three B215's again when we get closer to selling. John >> So you're selling part of your system? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Mon Sep 3 01:55:34 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:55:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 3 02:12:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 01:12:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices In-Reply-To: <118.41cff0d.28c40570@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c1340d$30b0d900$11d0893e@a4s1s2> Sam, to see the nice B-215's have a looksee on the German e-Bay lists. They come up quite often, and seem to sell at c. $1k. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 02 September 2001 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices In a message dated 9/2/2001 11:53:53 AM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But then, that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi folklore. Graham >> Hi Graham, I don't know about the B-215's anymore, although I don't recall viewing any that were in great shape as it seems the last view models all needed some type of work. I would also include the Tandberg 3014/3014a in your description. Awesome/impressive looking decks, but lately I haven't seen one sell in the $600 - $700 range which was common several month ago. I would really like to hear these two decks to understand their performance, especially juxasposed my CR-7. Right now, the CR-7 prices have been low as compared to several months ago as well. Good time to buy! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 3 02:14:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 01:14:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c1340d$75f69cc0$11d0893e@a4s1s2> Thomas I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 September 2001 00:56 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:18:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: <16a.388ae1.28c42196@aol.com> Message-ID: <007901c1340e$076a5480$4a756acf@johnrotten> No. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > In a message dated 9/2/2001 6:56:04 PM Central Daylight Time, jmtooley at ce.net > writes: > > << > No. I'll mention the three B215's again when we get closer to selling. > > John >> > > So you're selling part of your system? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Mon Sep 3 02:16:26 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:16:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Graham, Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 3 September 2001 10:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Thomas I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 September 2001 00:56 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 3 03:05:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:05:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <15b.53ea78.28c4024d@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c13414$87ce0260$123442cf@sank1> No, Sam, it wasn't Ed that worked for Mac. It was Roger Russell, who's website Ed is giving. Roger mainly did speakers for Mac, up until I think ten years ago. Really nice guy. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > In a message dated 9/1/2001 10:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > << As long as we're at it, if you want a tremendous resource for McIntosh > info... first > hand as an engineer for them from about 1968 or, check out Roger Russel's > page. > > http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm > > Ed > >> > > Hi Ed, > > Since you worked with McIntosh, do you use any of their products in your > current system? Also, as an "insider" are there any secrets we should be > aware of? (laughing) And finally, what's your take on the loyal McIntosh > following? Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 3 03:15:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:15:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003801c13415$f02fb320$123442cf@sank1> If you want to do it "properly", and with as little effect on the sound as possible(except positive effect), then the unit's power transformer and a couple of small parts need to be replaced. Whether such would still be available from Nak is dependent on what model. Right now, I'm trying to convert a CR-7A for a client in UK. Struck out with Nak UK. Gehado in Germany said 8 weeks & 200 percent above retail! Now I'm waiting for word about Nak in Singapore, HK & Japan. If I can get the parts from Asia, they will be the 120/240 switchable versions. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, > > How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. > > Regards > > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Mon Sep 3 03:19:30 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:19:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices References: <118.41cff0d.28c40570@aol.com> <3B92BB32.9FA02A8B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c13417$0634cba0$ee02efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Hi All. Stephen does a great job on both from my personal experience. Kevin Rogers > > Hi Sam, > > I've stayed away from the Tandberg and Revox decks simply because > finding competent repair service and appropriate parts is more difficult > than with Nakamichi. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 11:53:53 AM Central Daylight Time, > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > << Similarly, Revox B-215 prices also seem to be hanging on in there. But > > then, > > that was another beastie that seems to have made its way into hi fi > > folklore. > > > > Graham >> > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > I don't know about the B-215's anymore, although I don't recall viewing any > > that were in great shape as it seems the last view models all needed some > > type of work. I would also include the Tandberg 3014/3014a in your > > description. Awesome/impressive looking decks, but lately I haven't seen one > > sell in the $600 - $700 range which was common several month ago. I would > > really like to hear these two decks to understand their performance, > > especially juxasposed my CR-7. Right now, the CR-7 prices have been low as > > compared to several months ago as well. Good time to buy! > > > > -Sam > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Sep 3 04:19:19 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 22:19:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <15b.53ea78.28c4024d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B92E8A6.EAC8F4FA@snet.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/1/2001 10:06:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > << As long as we're at it, if you want a tremendous resource for McIntosh > info... first > hand as an engineer for them from about 1968 or, check out Roger Russel's > page. > > http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm > > Ed > >> > > Hi Ed, > > Since you worked with McIntosh, do you use any of their products in your > current system? Also, as an "insider" are there any secrets we should be > aware of? (laughing) And finally, what's your take on the loyal McIntosh > following? Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Sam, I actually never worked for McIntosh although I wish I did! I was referring to Roger Russel who was an engineer from about 1968 on. While I don't currently have any McIntosh in any of my systems, I have run quite a few... several MX-110's, MC225's and MC240's, MC2105, MC-2300 (cool time when I had two of these monsters bridged for mono), MC-2100, C24, 26, and 28, MA-6100, and the list goes on. Favorites on the vintage front would have to be the MC225, MC2105, and the C-28 (on looks alone). Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 3 05:55:36 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:55:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <34.1a52bb07.28c45938@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 7:13:15 PM Central Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Sam, to see the nice B-215's have a looksee on the German e-Bay lists. They come up quite often, and seem to sell at c. $1k. Gra' >> Thanks G! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 3 05:57:32 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:57:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh Message-ID: <152.51297b.28c459ac@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/2001 9:22:03 PM Central Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: << Hi Sam, I actually never worked for McIntosh although I wish I did! I was referring to Roger Russel who was an engineer from about 1968 on. While I don't currently have any McIntosh in any of my systems, I have run quite a few... several MX-110's, MC225's and MC240's, MC2105, MC-2300 (cool time when I had two of these monsters bridged for mono), MC-2100, C24, 26, and 28, MA-6100, and the list goes on. Favorites on the vintage front would have to be the MC225, MC2105, and the C-28 (on looks alone). Ed >> Thanks Ed! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 3 07:40:44 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <6f.1a0f5194.28c4595b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B9317DC.7E79E174@yahoo.com> I think he's figured it out by now but jut to be certain. Sam Ed did not work for McIntosh. Roger Russel worked for McIntosh. Ed only wished he could have worked there but never did. :( But Roger Russel did and there was much rejoicing. :) Except from Ed who did not work there. (McIntosh) :( I hope this has clarified your confusion. ;| See Ya Javier PS: he also had a hand in the C26 tone control I believe. I think Gordon Gow and Frank McIntosh designed the amps and I guess Richard Moddifiari did the tuners. But there is a time gap here since RM is apparantly lots youger than either GG and FM so I'm left to wonder who did the 55 65 67 and 71. BTW: The 55 is probably the least appreciated of the Mac tuners but if you take a look at one you'll immediately see that it must have cost a fortune to build. It's got more tubes than most receivers! And no MPX! What a lovely unit it is fom the top! See Ya Javier PPS: BTW: If anyone wants to join the McIntosh list drop me an e-mail and I'll add yo to it. It's got 35 very quiet members........... SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 8:04:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << No, Sam, it wasn't Ed that worked for Mac. It was Roger Russell, who's > website Ed is giving. Roger mainly did speakers for Mac, up until I think > ten years ago. Really nice guy. > >> > Thanks. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 3 12:06:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 04:06:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <6f.1a0f5194.28c4595b@aol.com> <3B9317DC.7E79E174@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008601c13460$09636c20$123442cf@sank1> And then, the ground hog saw his shadow, and we had six more weeks of winter. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] McIntosh > I think he's figured it out by now > but jut to be certain. > > Sam > Ed did not work for McIntosh. > Roger Russel worked for McIntosh. > Ed only wished he could have worked there but never did. :( > But Roger Russel did and there was much rejoicing. :) > Except from Ed who did not work there. (McIntosh) :( > I hope this has clarified your confusion. ;| > See Ya > Javier > > PS: he also had a hand in the C26 tone control I believe. > I think Gordon Gow and Frank McIntosh designed the amps > and I guess Richard Moddifiari did the tuners. > But there is a time gap here since RM is apparantly lots youger > than either GG and FM so I'm left to wonder who did the 55 65 67 and 71. > BTW: The 55 is probably the least appreciated of the Mac tuners > but if you take a look at one you'll immediately see that it must have > cost a fortune > to build. It's got more tubes than most receivers! And no MPX! > What a lovely unit it is fom the top! > See Ya > Javier > > > PPS: > BTW: If anyone wants to join the McIntosh list drop me an e-mail and > I'll add yo to it. It's got 35 very quiet members........... > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 8:04:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, Sam, it wasn't Ed that worked for Mac. It was Roger Russell, who's > > website Ed is giving. Roger mainly did speakers for Mac, up until I think > > ten years ago. Really nice guy. > > >> > > Thanks. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Sep 3 13:38:44 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:38:44 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5759@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, as far as know, Revox keep producing some tape decks. What they call it... hm-m-m... Elegance or Excellence? Am I erring? Is anybody aware? And... do they really not support their older stuff? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > > Their older equipment has obvious collector's appeal. Some of it sounds > very good too. The only experience I have with their new gear is with > the components I've replaced in my customers' systems. > > As far as service and parts availability, a buyer is probably better off > with Mc gear than most other equipment of similar age. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 6:08:07 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << > > Hi Sam, > > > > I've stayed away from the Tandberg and Revox decks simply because > > finding competent repair service and appropriate parts is more > difficult > > than with Nakamichi. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > >> > > > > Very True. What's your opinion of McIntosh? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Sep 3 13:49:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:49:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F575A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi guys and Stephen in particular! I did not find any gummy grease on the az-shaft, but ended up replacing: Q831 (totally dead), Q832 (bad), Q833 (to be on the safe side) & IC827 (bad). Now everything works fine again! Thanx a lot for the support! And... long live the Nak-community! Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > Nick, I believe you will find gummy grease on the azimuth drive worm > shaft. > This is a common cause for Q833/Q832 failure. I'd also replace the opamp, > IC827, that drives them. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), > but > > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found > Q832 > > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was > not > > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > > > Regards > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:59 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > First, are you seeing a change of state with door open/close on Q831 > > > collector? Do you have solid 6.2V at TP802? In stop mode, do you see > any > > > great noise on the output of either pin 1 or 7 of IC821? And, most > > > importantly, have you replaced all of the orange film caps in the > whole > > > NAAC > > > circuit? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:21 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not > > > > directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of > > > "future-useful" > > > to > > > > all the people owning Dragons. > > > > > > > > Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange > behaviour, > > > > namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to > it's > > > > "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction > > > does. > > > As > > > > it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as > quiet > > > > humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a > bit > > > > uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I > > > consider > > > > all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? > > > > > > > > Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC > > > system. > > > > Some questions roll in in this connection. > > > > > > > > 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette > door > > > and > > > > in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective > marks > > > on > > > > the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I > simply > > > > turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, > > > nothing > > > > happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling > between > > > > PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be > > > clearly > > > > seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. > > > > Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined > up > > > and > > > > stand still in both directions... > > > > > > > > 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC > power > > > > supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some > DC-measurements > on > > > the > > > > pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The > best > > > what > > > I > > > > got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? > > > > > > > > 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the > > > respective > > > > VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An > interesting > > > > peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR > from > > > the > > > > utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value > of > > > the > > > > same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), > whereafter > > > it > > > > stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. > > > > > > > > Any comments, please. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Sep 3 14:45:43 2001 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:45:43 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: Nick, I think we have here the old Europe vs. US story. It could very well be difficult to obtain support for Revox in the US, while I am more than happy with the service by the Revox center in Germany (I have a B-215). Which is exactly the opposite to the situation with Nakamichi. I ordered a gearmod set for CR-7 from the UK dealers, who seem to be the best in Europe, and never received it, although I paid for it in advance. All my subsequent messages re tracing the package were simply ignored. Meanwhile I decided not to buy the CR-7 for other reasons (I needed the money for something else), but that's a different story. Being unable to get anything for Nakamichi in Europe for a reasonable price and delivery time also influenced me (apart from the a.m. need for cash) to sell the one Nak I had. It wasn't much - a Deck 1 with less than a 100 hrs on it, but I would've like to keep it. Oops, I shouldn't have mentioned that - now that I don't own a Nak anymore I might be taken off this list -:). George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Igritski Nick Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:38:44 +0400 Guys, as far as know, Revox keep producing some tape decks. What they call it... hm-m-m... Elegance or Excellence? Am I erring? Is anybody aware? And... do they really not support their older stuff? Nick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 3 14:47:08 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:47:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F575A@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000c01c13476$8bd8a1a0$4f289bca@smarzuki> Nick, nice to see happy ending in such a short time ! Like every other Nak cases I'm sure this one will be beneficial for us diy-ers in the future. :-) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > Hi guys and Stephen in particular! > > I did not find any gummy grease on the az-shaft, but ended up replacing: > > Q831 (totally dead), Q832 (bad), Q833 (to be on the safe side) & IC827 > (bad). > > Now everything works fine again! > > Thanx a lot for the support! And... long live the Nak-community! > > Best > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:35 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > Nick, I believe you will find gummy grease on the azimuth drive worm > > shaft. > > This is a common cause for Q833/Q832 failure. I'd also replace the opamp, > > IC827, that drives them. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:26 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the tips, Stephen! > > > > > > I couldn't follow your advices yet (I'll do it tonight and then report), > > but > > > yesterday I soldered out Q832 & Q833 to check if they were OK and found > > Q832 > > > being BAD! but Q833 - OK. I replaced Q832, then played some tapes, > > > whereafter it failed again! There's something that burns it up... > > > > > > BTW, the Service Manual, which I downloaded from the Nak ftp-site, was > > not > > > complete, namely, all pages after 36 were missing :-( > > > May I kindly ask you to provide me with those, as working on the deck > > > without having some principal PCB-schemes is like feeling one's way... > > > > > > Regards > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:59 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > > > First, are you seeing a change of state with door open/close on Q831 > > > > collector? Do you have solid 6.2V at TP802? In stop mode, do you see > > any > > > > great noise on the output of either pin 1 or 7 of IC821? And, most > > > > importantly, have you replaced all of the orange film caps in the > > whole > > > > NAAC > > > > circuit? > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:21 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] NAAC > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask this pretty technical question via Naktalk (not > > > > > directly) just because I believe the issue can be sort of > > > > "future-useful" > > > > to > > > > > all the people owning Dragons. > > > > > > > > > > Recently, the NAAC system of my Dragon revealed some strange > > behaviour, > > > > > namely, opening of the cassette door WILL NOT bring the PB-head to > > it's > > > > > "neutral" position as it should. However, changing the PB-direction > > > > does. > > > > As > > > > > it does switching power off, then on. It can be clearly heard as > > quiet > > > > > humming. The NAAC as such does work as well, but it seems to work a > > bit > > > > > uncorrectly - it doesn't "tune into" different tapes properly. I > > > > consider > > > > > all of this as a real sign of problems to come. What can this be? > > > > > > > > > > Further, I tried to follow the Service Manual to re-align the NAAC > > > > system. > > > > > Some questions roll in in this connection. > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is a step, where one is supposed to open up the cassette > > door > > > > and > > > > > in this state to adjust a couple of VR's so, that the respective > > marks > > > > on > > > > > the NAAC-mechanism line up in both PB-directions. However, when I > > simply > > > > > turn any of those VR's up and down, the NAAC-motor does not operate, > > > > nothing > > > > > happens. Is it OK? On the other hand, when constantly toggling > > between > > > > > PB-directions and making VR adjustments at the same time, it can be > > > > clearly > > > > > seen that the moving mark moves farther/closer to the static one. > > > > > Nevertheless, after some toiling I've managed to get the marks lined > > up > > > > and > > > > > stand still in both directions... > > > > > > > > > > 2. Then there's another step, where one has to disconnect the NAAC > > power > > > > > supply (CN-5) from the Auto Azimuth PCB and make some > > DC-measurements > > on > > > > the > > > > > pin 1 of it, aiming for "0". I did, but could never get "0". The > > best > > > > what > > > > I > > > > > got, was 0.5V. Ain't it suspicious? > > > > > > > > > > 3. One of the last steps orders recording of 5K and adjusting the > > > > respective > > > > > VR while looking for a value as close to "0" as possible. An > > interesting > > > > > peculiarity has been noticed: when I start to slowly turn that VR > > from > > > > the > > > > > utmost right (conditionally) position to the left, I reach the value > > of > > > > the > > > > > same 0.5V (no less!) very quickly (~1/3 of the "full" turn), > > whereafter > > > > it > > > > > stays 0.5V al the way up to the utmost left position. > > > > > > > > > > Any comments, please. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Sep 3 15:00:36 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:00:36 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F575B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Just my 2 cents... I ran into this problem not that long ago, when I had finally decided to bring my 110V 60Hz 600MkII round. I bought it in perfect, excellent appearance, which, naturally, turned to be delusive and was fraught with a nuisance - when "idling" (play/pause with no tape) it hummed unmercifully. After a whole lotta kicking around with no effect, I decided to completely replace the existing power transformer with a new, 220V 50 Hz one. Making a new, compact, toroidal trans was not a problem at all (I got it ready within a day for less than 3 bucks!) - the only things I needed to find out were it's output AC-voltage and max. consumption current. The problem was that the trans I've got wasn't shielded in any way, so that being put in place of the older one, it hummed in PB-mode no less severely. I tried to shield it, but being shielded it didn't want to fit in. Then came the decision to remove the trans out of the deck completely, i.e. to make sort of external power adapter. I had found a suitable plastic case (namely, the battery charger of an old camcoder) with removable (that's important!) power plug, disembowled it and fit the shielded trans in! Now, with the HV-power supply and the deck being spatially remote, the deck works just fine! No hum, no buzz, no other noise. The only disadvantage is that small, but heavy black box hanging behind... But that's bearable... Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos [SMTP:Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:56 PM > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. > > Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, > > How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has > 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale > on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people > with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. > > Regards > > Thomas Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Sep 3 15:21:54 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:21:54 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F575C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> It's really pity to hear you've lost you money. It's much more important, that the confidence in all those "dealers" is lost completely as well. As to my experience of ordering some Nak-parts, I ordered a great number of various parts by Jeffrey Galin. And, I must say, that had been an AMAZINGLY good experience, despite somewhat wild pricing. But... I don't regret a penny! The deal went flawless. Jeff supplied me with excellent, brand new parts, including the heads, 7-belts kits and pinch-roller assy's for the 700TT!!!!!! That was fantastic feeling! I'm not going to promote or otherwise advertise Jeff's services here, but if you need some (especially rare or, better to say, impossible to find) Nak-parts and a reliable supplier, he's the only one to ask help for. Just my opinion... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > > Nick, > > I think we have here the old Europe vs. US story. It could very well be > difficult to obtain support for Revox in the US, while I am more than > happy > with the service by the Revox center in Germany (I have a B-215). Which is > > exactly the opposite to the situation with Nakamichi. I ordered a gearmod > set for CR-7 from the UK dealers, who seem to be the best in Europe, and > never received it, although I paid for it in advance. All my subsequent > messages re tracing the package were simply ignored. Meanwhile I decided > not > to buy the CR-7 for other reasons (I needed the money for something else), > > but that's a different story. Being unable to get anything for Nakamichi > in > Europe for a reasonable price and delivery time also influenced me (apart > from the a.m. need for cash) to sell the one Nak I had. It wasn't much - a > > Deck 1 with less than a 100 hrs on it, but I would've like to keep it. > Oops, > I shouldn't have mentioned that - now that I don't own a Nak anymore I > might > be taken off this list -:). > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Igritski Nick > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:38:44 +0400 > > Guys, > > as far as know, Revox keep producing some tape decks. What they call it... > hm-m-m... Elegance or Excellence? Am I erring? Is anybody aware? > > And... do they really not support their older stuff? > > Nick > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Sep 3 17:02:05 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] McIntosh References: <6f.1a0f5194.28c4595b@aol.com> <3B9317DC.7E79E174@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B939B6B.E336C5BD@snet.net> I couldn't have said it better myself :( Ed Javier Perez wrote: > I think he's figured it out by now > but jut to be certain. > > Sam > Ed did not work for McIntosh. > Roger Russel worked for McIntosh. > Ed only wished he could have worked there but never did. :( > But Roger Russel did and there was much rejoicing. :) > Except from Ed who did not work there. (McIntosh) :( > I hope this has clarified your confusion. ;| > See Ya > Javier > > PS: he also had a hand in the C26 tone control I believe. > I think Gordon Gow and Frank McIntosh designed the amps > and I guess Richard Moddifiari did the tuners. > But there is a time gap here since RM is apparantly lots youger > than either GG and FM so I'm left to wonder who did the 55 65 67 and 71. > BTW: The 55 is probably the least appreciated of the Mac tuners > but if you take a look at one you'll immediately see that it must have > cost a fortune > to build. It's got more tubes than most receivers! And no MPX! > What a lovely unit it is fom the top! > See Ya > Javier > > PPS: > BTW: If anyone wants to join the McIntosh list drop me an e-mail and > I'll add yo to it. It's got 35 very quiet members........... > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/2/2001 8:04:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << No, Sam, it wasn't Ed that worked for Mac. It was Roger Russell, who's > > website Ed is giving. Roger mainly did speakers for Mac, up until I think > > ten years ago. Really nice guy. > > >> > > Thanks. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 3 19:45:10 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:45:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659D2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000501c134a0$2d3a6d20$95ce193e@a4s1s2> Tom You're asking the wrong guy! I dunno, mate! Sorry. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 September 2001 01:16 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Hi Graham, Thanks for replying. Would there be any performance downgrade due to the frequency difference, America = 50Hz vs Australia = 60Hz? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 3 September 2001 10:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Thomas I simply bought transformers. Won most of them on e-Bay, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 September 2001 00:56 To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] 120 volt to 240 volt conversions. Good morning/afternoon/evening to you all, How hard would it be to convert a nak tapedeck unit which has 120volt to a 240 volt unit. It seems that America has many Naks for sale on Ebay and with decent prices also. Unfortunately in Australia people with Naks hang on to them and therefore I don't see many or any for sale. Regards Thomas Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 3 23:22:25 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:22:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F575C@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi, I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning of the tape settings. Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top shape prior to dispositioning the thing. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Igritski Nick Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:22 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices Importance: High It's really pity to hear you've lost you money. It's much more important, that the confidence in all those "dealers" is lost completely as well. As to my experience of ordering some Nak-parts, I ordered a great number of various parts by Jeffrey Galin. And, I must say, that had been an AMAZINGLY good experience, despite somewhat wild pricing. But... I don't regret a penny! The deal went flawless. Jeff supplied me with excellent, brand new parts, including the heads, 7-belts kits and pinch-roller assy's for the 700TT!!!!!! That was fantastic feeling! I'm not going to promote or otherwise advertise Jeff's services here, but if you need some (especially rare or, better to say, impossible to find) Nak-parts and a reliable supplier, he's the only one to ask help for. Just my opinion... Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > > Nick, > > I think we have here the old Europe vs. US story. It could very well be > difficult to obtain support for Revox in the US, while I am more than > happy > with the service by the Revox center in Germany (I have a B-215). Which is > > exactly the opposite to the situation with Nakamichi. I ordered a gearmod > set for CR-7 from the UK dealers, who seem to be the best in Europe, and > never received it, although I paid for it in advance. All my subsequent > messages re tracing the package were simply ignored. Meanwhile I decided > not > to buy the CR-7 for other reasons (I needed the money for something else), > > but that's a different story. Being unable to get anything for Nakamichi > in > Europe for a reasonable price and delivery time also influenced me (apart > from the a.m. need for cash) to sell the one Nak I had. It wasn't much - a > > Deck 1 with less than a 100 hrs on it, but I would've like to keep it. > Oops, > I shouldn't have mentioned that - now that I don't own a Nak anymore I > might > be taken off this list -:). > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Igritski Nick > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 680 Series & Nak Prices > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:38:44 +0400 > > Guys, > > as far as know, Revox keep producing some tape decks. What they call it... > hm-m-m... Elegance or Excellence? Am I erring? Is anybody aware? > > And... do they really not support their older stuff? > > Nick > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 4 01:17:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:17:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon going CHEAP on e-Bay!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c134ce$a05029c0$95ce193e@a4s1s2> Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269764610 He says UK only but if anyone wants to bid for this I'll help arrange shipment out of the UK for you. The winning bid is only £360 and that's below the reserve, which is supposed to be v. low. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 4 01:17:38 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:17:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c134ce$9f3a7400$95ce193e@a4s1s2> THING?! That's no way to speak of such a beautiful machine! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 03 September 2001 22:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 Hi, I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning of the tape settings. Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top shape prior to dispositioning the thing. Regards, Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 02:48:09 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:48:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 In-Reply-To: <000b01c134ce$9f3a7400$95ce193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: It is a beautifully engineered piece of electronic art. The sound is nothing short of glorious; seeing it without its full complement of knobs just pulls at the strings of my heart. Better? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 THING?! That's no way to speak of such a beautiful machine! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 03 September 2001 22:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 Hi, I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning of the tape settings. Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top shape prior to dispositioning the thing. Regards, Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 4 03:04:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:04:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 References: Message-ID: <010401c134dd$7c8fcc20$123442cf@sank1> I have a partial set of Dragon level/bias trimmer knobs, but I'm not totally sure they are compatible. I'd have to try a swap tomorrow to confirm. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > It is a beautifully engineered piece of electronic art. The sound is > nothing short of glorious; seeing it without its full complement of knobs > just pulls at the strings of my heart. > > Better? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > THING?! That's no way to speak of such a beautiful machine! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 03 September 2001 22:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > Hi, > > I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The > ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning of > the tape settings. > > Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top > shape prior to dispositioning the thing. > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 4 05:42:29 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 23:42:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Without comment References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B944DA5.FE0A04C3@yahoo.com> Hey Guys Check this out http://www.d-r.nl/dnrsite/service/faq/Analog-digital.html See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From archangele666 at Home.com Tue Sep 4 15:58:26 2001 From: archangele666 at Home.com (B.B.) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:58:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [Scott, H.H.] OT: Without comment References: <027601c132a7$ae6582e0$123442cf@sank1> <3B90CF0F.37DE6150@yahoo.com> <02ca01c1331e$0f713f40$123442cf@sank1> <3B9143AB.E745E0BD@yahoo.com> <3B944DA5.FE0A04C3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B94DE01.2A11DFF3@home.com> Musicians and the like have known about tubes for years. In fact most musicians and studios never abandoned their tube gear. MIDI has been the number one cause of the drift towards solid state. With modern hip hop, digital dance music and rap, which was designed for the 'rave' crowds, the sonic qualities of vacuum tubes are wasted. Since this music (well I use the term loosely with respect to rap) has no basis in anything real and is mostly digital sampling, it would be hard to tell the difference between an IC laden Yorks system from Walmart with the 'bass boost' setup from one of my Scott systems when playing this music. I mean, garbage in garbage out as we always say. But, there are still a lot of other genres of music that really benefit from the more realistic and uncolored sound only found when using true triode voltage amplifiers in the main console, as well as the instrument amplifiers (if any). Not only do you get massive amounts of crossover distortion with IC's but you get liberal amounts of phase distortion and if you happen to overload the amp stages in the console in a solid state board, you get the classic 'Jimi Hendrix Fuzz" effect. This is not the case with a tube console. As for the 'warm' sound. This is a bit over rated. Tube consoles are very accurate. In fact, their responce is actually more linear then most solid state consoles. They need no feedback loops to eq the stages so as to have a flat response. The only real headache is that these tube mixing consoles require regular maintenance. Solid state ones do not need this and will run trouble free and cool for many years. There is a place for both. For Rap, Hip Hop, Digital dance music and the like, I'd just save the bucks and go with a digital solid state console. But for live recording of real musicians, especially if they use acoustic instruments, you must go with a good tube console so as to preserve the subtle nuances of the harmonic rich content of the sound emanating from these instruments. Listen to an electric violin, then compare it to an acoustic one recorded with a good Neuman mike through a good tube mixing console to analog tape. Believe me, even if you know little of the violin, you will be able to tell the difference. This instrument can bring out all the failings in the recording chain. Violins sound horrible when recorded via digital equipment. It takes very little odd order harmonic coloration to make a violin sound very harsh. Bill B. Javier Perez wrote: > This message has been sent at your request. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this message, read the instructions at the end of this message. > ************************************ > > Hey Guys > Check this out > http://www.d-r.nl/dnrsite/service/faq/Analog-digital.html > See Ya > Javier > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ************************************ > > To UNSUBSRIBE from HHSCOTT list, send e-mail to: > listserv at hhscott.com > with the following in the BODY of the message: > unsubscribe HHSCOTT > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > ************************************ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 19:17:09 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:17:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 In-Reply-To: <010401c134dd$7c8fcc20$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 I have a partial set of Dragon level/bias trimmer knobs, but I'm not totally sure they are compatible. I'd have to try a swap tomorrow to confirm. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > It is a beautifully engineered piece of electronic art. The sound is > nothing short of glorious; seeing it without its full complement of knobs > just pulls at the strings of my heart. > > Better? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > THING?! That's no way to speak of such a beautiful machine! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 03 September 2001 22:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > Hi, > > I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The > ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning of > the tape settings. > > Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top > shape prior to dispositioning the thing. > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 4 19:38:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:38:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp References: <000701bef6ef$6d435b20$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <023701c13568$5e9cf4a0$123442cf@sank1> It's because it sounds really, really bad. Despite being built really beautifully. Excessive(!!) use of active feedback. Ironically, made to mate with their wonderful zero-feedback stasis amps. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp > > I know this is not "recommended" ... but what the hey ... the price is > right. :-) > > CA7 preamp including optional power strip at $207.50 - reserve already met > !! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270934709 > > 3.75 days to go. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Sep 4 20:42:55 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:42:55 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Long letters Message-ID: Hi all! П'm not sure about all of us but I know that I'm not the only one receiving emails through slow phone line. Guys, please, when replying to long letter with the only three words, please, delete most of the previous letter! It's pretty unpleasant to recive half of the megabyte to see twenty replies with hundred words total. I'm also shure that Wouter will be gratefull for all of us fot doing so - his server will got some air and rest a bit. Sorry for OT. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 20:01:20 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:01:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was wondering...I have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of my preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. What about hooking up two amps to this as well? Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 4 20:00:18 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:00:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp References: <000701bef6ef$6d435b20$57289bca@smarzuki> <023701c13568$5e9cf4a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1356b$76144fe0$57289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, how is your quest to remove this feedback ? Would be good if we can still use the remote switching and put CA5 style preamp inside. :-) Those two toroidal transformer are also 'cute' .. too bad I got the 120V version. By the way, there's another one for $300, no power strip - and reserve not yet met ... what an ebay ebay world. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp > It's because it sounds really, really bad. Despite being built really > beautifully. Excessive(!!) use of active feedback. Ironically, made to > mate with their wonderful zero-feedback stasis amps. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 4 20:03:30 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:03:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon going CHEAP on e-Bay!!! References: <000c01c134ce$a05029c0$95ce193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c1356b$e8099740$57289bca@smarzuki> Look at low CR7 prices ... really support Nick's concern. Dragons seem to command better prices (rightfully so ?). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon going CHEAP on e-Bay!!! Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269764610 He says UK only but if anyone wants to bid for this I'll help arrange shipment out of the UK for you. The winning bid is only £360 and that's below the reserve, which is supposed to be v. low. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Tue Sep 4 20:15:40 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:15:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <9d.1aaf5f99.28c6744c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/01 11:02:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was wondering...I have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of my preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. What about hooking up two amps to this as well? Alex Cagann >> My preamp has a stated maximum wattage for the switched outlet... 200 watts, I think. This should be more than sufficient for a number of source components, which on average only consume about 20-40W each. It is NEVER a good idea to run ac to a power amp from your preamp's switched outlet. Even if the stated wattage doesn't exceed the rated max for the preamp (and it probably does), you don't want to risk damaging your preamp this way. Better to use an AC-DC converter and turn on the power amp using DC triggers (power amp has to have this feature). Otherwise, you may be able to turn on the power amp via preamp IF your preamp has a 12V DC trigger output, which you can then hook up to a DC-AC trigger that has sufficiently high wattage rating to handle the power amps. If you don't have a DC trigger function on either the preamp or power amp, you will probably have to turn your power amps on manually. Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 20:21:56 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:21:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon going CHEAP on e-Bay!!! In-Reply-To: <000b01c1356b$e8099740$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: IMO, those who are not well versed in Nakamichi tape lore....likely 'know' the Dragon but not the CR7. The Dragon must have had some big marketing hype when it was out. Alex > Look at low CR7 prices ... really support Nick's concern. Dragons seem to > command better prices (rightfully so ?). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 4 21:14:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:14:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c13575$c1241e20$e3d1893e@a4s1s2> LOL! Much better!!! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 04 September 2001 01:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 It is a beautifully engineered piece of electronic art. The sound is nothing short of glorious; seeing it without its full complement of knobs just pulls at the strings of my heart. Better? Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 21:24:11 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:24:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tokyo Message-ID: Dear Nakamichi friends! I plan to visit Tokyo this fall. Does anyone have any tips on interesting shops for HiFi, new as well as "second hand" equipment? Marcus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ChefBum at aol.com Tue Sep 4 21:32:08 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:32:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Tokyo Message-ID: <123.443bac5.28c68638@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/01 12:25:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, marcushemma at hotmail.com writes: << Dear Nakamichi friends! I plan to visit Tokyo this fall. Does anyone have any tips on interesting shops for HiFi, new as well as "second hand" equipment? Marcus. >> Visit Akihabara, the 'electric town' district of Tokyo. There are hi-fi stores that allow bartering. As for used equipment, there is very little of that on the market usually, though that may be changing as the economy worsens... the best used hi-fi store I've seen is in Shinjuku, right across the street from the Tower Records that is attached to Shinjuku station... but be careful, as this train station is HUGE! BTW, when you do go out shopping for stereos, bring your passport, as it will exempt you from paying the 5% consumption tax on most major goods if they're bought new. There are surprisingly few Naks for sale in and about Tokyo retail stores, either new or used. I once saw a used Dragon, and it cost more than it would have if you bought it here! (it was mint, however). Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From moklaba at yahoo.com Tue Sep 4 21:46:23 2001 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tokyo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010904194623.34308.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Also, must make the trek to Sony HQ. You'll see some nice gear there that isn't available in the States. BTW, you can request songs to be played on their reference home system. I think Sony is located off the Ginza train station, which is also a good tourist stop as well. Jeff --- Marcus_Ros�n wrote: > Dear Nakamichi friends! > > I plan to visit Tokyo this fall. > > Does anyone have any tips on interesting shops for > HiFi, > > new as well as "second hand" equipment? > > Marcus. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Tue Sep 4 23:36:58 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:36:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: <3B880A29.A9C53526@earthlink.net> <3B88213D.DFE51AD0@concentric.net> <3B88442A.794E6537@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B954977.AA08701F@pacbell.net> If I recall. a conversion was made to the mx 130 and the balanced outputs were removed during the process. The mx-132 does not, to my knowledge, have balanced outputs Brian S. Javier Perez wrote: > I'm not sure about the arguments for or against balanced inputs. > I do know that McIntosh got rid of them on the late model 130s > which were 5.1 ready. I have no idea if it had anything to do with > the desirability of the inputs or some other consideration. > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > > on the exact S/W utilized. > > > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > > recorder, period. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > All this talk of recording vinyl onto CD has got me thinking. Has anyone > > > compared the sound quality a CD recorded through a PC verses though a > > > moderately priced consumer CD recorder (i.e. Pioneer). I'm sure neither > > > sounds very good in audiophile terms when compared back to the source. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2001 10:35:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > summarex at yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > << That's exactly the problem. > > > > Ideally you want your best table setup hooked up to your best > > > > stereo system but doing transcriptions requires that it be > > > > hooked up to the computer which usually has the worst system. > > > > One solution is to run a pair of line level > > > > wires from the preferred system's preamp outputs to the sound card > > > > Javier > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Without spending a great deal of money, here is a solution I've been > > > > contemplating that may help... > > > > > > > > 1. Using one of the direct PC sale websites, you purchase a bare-bones > > > > computer for $200 (e.g. 1 and up Ghz pentium, 128 megs of ram, 40 gigabyte > > > > hard drive, and probably ships with Windows, ME). You can purchase one for > > > > less if you're willing to use a 700 MHz chip, and that's fast enough for this > > > > application. A 500 MHz chip will work also. > > > > > > > > 2. You purchase a 3Com (the most reliable) Ethernet card and one of the > > > > recommended midrange to high-end sound cards. (You will probably need 2 good > > > > sound cards if your current system also needs one) > > > > > > > > 3. Place the newly purchased PC by or into your system rack, and depending > > > > on the configuration, connect the sound card to your system. You then > > > > connect the two PC's together via Ethernet and begin using the $200 PC as a > > > > hard disk recorder. You record directly to the PC now connected to your > > > > stereo system, and using the Ethernet connection use your other PC for > > > > editing and final mastering to CD. > > > > > > > > This is kinda like a "no frills" hard disk recorder. What are your thoughts? > > > > Also, if you're interested check out this link: > > > > > > > > How to build a PC Studio for $1,000 > > > > http://www.techtv.com/audiofile/musictech/story/0,23008,3306597,00.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 4 23:55:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:55:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 References: Message-ID: <025901c1358c$8eea5520$123442cf@sank1> Sorry, Carl. The Dragon trim knobs are completely incompatible with the ZX knobs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:04 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > I have a partial set of Dragon level/bias trimmer knobs, but I'm not totally > sure they are compatible. I'd have to try a swap tomorrow to confirm. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > > It is a beautifully engineered piece of electronic art. The sound is > > nothing short of glorious; seeing it without its full complement of knobs > > just pulls at the strings of my heart. > > > > Better? > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Graham Nelson > > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:18 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > > > > THING?! That's no way to speak of such a beautiful machine! ;o) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Tiberius Gaius > > Sent: 03 September 2001 22:22 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] knob for zx7/9 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I need to round up two of the little plastic knobs for a zx7/9 model. The > > ones that are about a third of an inch in diameter and do the fine tuning > of > > the tape settings. > > > > Recommendations on places to start? I'd like to get the deck in tip top > > shape prior to dispositioning the thing. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Tue Sep 4 23:58:26 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:58:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <9b.1a57dd86.28c6a882@aol.com> Following was an interesting post. Sorry for chiming in so late, but digital recording onto CDs may be perfect for downloading music off the net on MP3 files, but in reality with other formats it is known to often be a major pain-in-the-youknowwhat. Especially if you talking about recording from an analog source like vinyl, as posited on an earlier topic. Besides, why outfit your PC with well over $1K in soundcard upgrades, only to have the whole thing be obsolete within two years, three tops? I recently got Marantz' CDR500 professional dual tray CD-R(W), that has defeatable SCMS and can make 'redbook master' quality copies from the original disc. These copies are supposedly so bit-faithful that without modification you can make a studio glass master from them. In any event, all single-speed CDR copies are sonically indistinguishable from the masters. So why make things so complicated? Best of all, J&R Music world is selling the Marantz new for around $650. That's what I call a deal! just hook it up to your preamp just like any other source component, and within minutes you can make CD copies from any music source. Dave In a message dated 9/4/01 2:30:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << > > Ron wrote: > > > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > > on the exact S/W utilized. > > > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > > recorder, period. > > > > -- Ron >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 5 00:04:32 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:04:32 EDT Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/01 3:00:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ChefBum at aol.com writes: << Following was an interesting post. Sorry for chiming in so late, but digital recording onto CDs may be perfect for downloading music off the net on MP3 files, but in reality with other formats it is known to often be a major pain-in-the-youknowwhat. Especially if you talking about recording from an analog source like vinyl, as posited on an earlier topic. Besides, why outfit your PC with well over $1K in soundcard upgrades, only to have the whole thing be obsolete within two years, three tops? I recently got Marantz' CDR500 professional dual tray CD-R(W), that has defeatable SCMS and can make 'redbook master' quality copies from the original disc. These copies are supposedly so bit-faithful that without modification you can make a studio glass master from them. In any event, all single-speed CDR copies are sonically indistinguishable from the masters. So why make things so complicated? Best of all, J&R Music world is selling the Marantz new for around $650. That's what I call a deal! just hook it up to your preamp just like any other source component, and within minutes you can make CD copies from any music source. This is all assuming, of course, that you do not plan on doing any mixing or studio-type editing. This setup would be only for duplicating music CDs. Dave In a message dated 9/4/01 2:30:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << > > Ron wrote: > > > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > > on the exact S/W utilized. > > > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > > recorder, period. > > > > -- Ron >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: ChefBum at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:58:26 EDT Size: 3537 URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 5 00:21:32 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:21:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp References: <000701bef6ef$6d435b20$57289bca@smarzuki> <023701c13568$5e9cf4a0$123442cf@sank1> <000401c1356b$76144fe0$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <027401c1358f$f479c120$123442cf@sank1> I'm fairly sure the CA-7's phono & line stages can be stable with the active feedback removed & replaced with a limited amount of conventional feedback(i.e., a resistor), but Raul's CA-7 hasn't arrived yet, so I haven't yet tried it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp > > Stephen, how is your quest to remove this feedback ? Would be good if we > can still use the remote switching and put CA5 style preamp inside. :-) > Those two toroidal transformer are also 'cute' .. too bad I got the 120V > version. > > By the way, there's another one for $300, no power strip - and reserve not > yet met ... what an ebay ebay world. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay info - bargain nak preamp > > > > It's because it sounds really, really bad. Despite being built really > > beautifully. Excessive(!!) use of active feedback. Ironically, made to > > mate with their wonderful zero-feedback stasis amps. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Sep 5 04:31:15 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:31:15 EDT Subject: Off Topic - (OT) Re: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <84.1add3fc2.28c6e873@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/2001 1:18:47 PM Central Daylight Time, ChefBum at aol.com writes: << If you don't have a DC trigger function on either the preamp or power amp, you will probably have to turn your power amps on manually. Dave >> I use a timer which, along with my receiver's and eq's additional outlets allows me to turn all of my equipment on and off via two timer switches. Does anyone see any potential for damage via this configuration? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 06:15:21 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:15:21 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC References: Message-ID: <3B95A6D9.33F03419@yahoo.com> Sounds great but how do you defeat the SCMS? Is it a switch or do you have to take a soldering iron to it? Javier ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/4/01 3:00:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ChefBum at aol.com > writes: > > << Following was an interesting post. Sorry for chiming in so late, but > digital > recording onto CDs may be perfect for downloading music off the net on MP3 > files, but in reality with other formats it is known to often be a major > pain-in-the-youknowwhat. Especially if you talking about recording from an > analog source like vinyl, as posited on an earlier topic. > > Besides, why outfit your PC with well over $1K in soundcard upgrades, only > to > have the whole thing be obsolete within two years, three tops? > > I recently got Marantz' CDR500 professional dual tray CD-R(W), that has > defeatable SCMS and can make 'redbook master' quality copies from the > original disc. These copies are supposedly so bit-faithful that without > modification you can make a studio glass master from them. In any event, > all > single-speed CDR copies are sonically indistinguishable from the masters. > So > why make things so complicated? Best of all, J&R Music world is selling the > Marantz new for around $650. That's what I call a deal! > > just hook it up to your preamp just like any other source component, and > within minutes you can make CD copies from any music source. This is all > assuming, of course, that you do not plan on doing any mixing or studio-type > editing. This setup would be only for duplicating music CDs. > > > Dave > > > In a message dated 9/4/01 2:30:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > > > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > > > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > > > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > > > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > > > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > > > on the exact S/W utilized. > > > > > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > > > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > > > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > > > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > > > recorder, period. > > > > > > -- Ron >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:58:26 EDT > From: ChefBum at aol.com > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: captain at bestweb.net > > Following was an interesting post. Sorry for chiming in so late, but digital > recording onto CDs may be perfect for downloading music off the net on MP3 > files, but in reality with other formats it is known to often be a major > pain-in-the-youknowwhat. Especially if you talking about recording from an > analog source like vinyl, as posited on an earlier topic. > > Besides, why outfit your PC with well over $1K in soundcard upgrades, only to > have the whole thing be obsolete within two years, three tops? > > I recently got Marantz' CDR500 professional dual tray CD-R(W), that has > defeatable SCMS and can make 'redbook master' quality copies from the > original disc. These copies are supposedly so bit-faithful that without > modification you can make a studio glass master from them. In any event, all > single-speed CDR copies are sonically indistinguishable from the masters. So > why make things so complicated? Best of all, J&R Music world is selling the > Marantz new for around $650. That's what I call a deal! > > just hook it up to your preamp just like any other source component, and > within minutes you can make CD copies from any music source. > > Dave > > In a message dated 9/4/01 2:30:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > britri at pacbell.net writes: > > << > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Obviously, when making such a comparison, one must > > > specify what PC and what 'moderately priced consumer > > > CD recorder' are under comparison. The main issue are > > > the ADC and filtering quality. As for the purely > > > digital path, both should be sonically equivalent, > > > with the PC providing better flexibility, depending > > > on the exact S/W utilized. > > > > > > For example, if you equip an entry level PC with a > > > LynxTwo sound card (made by Lynx Studio Technology. > > > $1000, $1100 or $1200, depending on number of inputs), > > > you will have a combination that beats any home CD > > > recorder, period. > > > > > > -- Ron >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 09:08:53 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 03:08:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question References: <11e.3b90b23.28b9aab9@aol.com> Message-ID: <3B95CF85.DB61A8EE@yahoo.com> Well, important to me anyway! I've got an old Phase Linear 9500 cd player based on a first or second generation Kyocera unit. Anyway, it can play early production CDs with an occasional skip but refuses to play or even recognize the newer ones. I'm not talking about the super high density ones just standard cds made 5 years ago. Does anyone know what is happening here? I don't want to go in and fix what may not be broken so any advice is greatly appreciated. Javier PS: Yes, I know that for 100 bucks I can get a newer and better player but I'm a hopeless antiquarian. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 5 09:38:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:38:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question References: <11e.3b90b23.28b9aab9@aol.com> <3B95CF85.DB61A8EE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03c001c135dd$c8c85020$123442cf@sank1> If it is the same NEC laser-based transport as the OMS-5/7(not II), they are very touchy about adjustments & the very unusual 3-axes optical alignment. Going by the book is actually the worst way to do them. You simply have to use the book(e.g., an OMS-7 manual) as a starting point & then trial & error your way into getting to know how to do them right. Then, you need to use that learning to tweak the unit on as many different CD's as you have on hand to be sure of getting the perfect compromise alignment. Once you get it right, it will play virtually any CD, CD-R, etc. that you can throw at it. I never knew these decks were OEM'd to Phase Linear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question > Well, important to me anyway! > I've got an old Phase Linear 9500 cd player > based on a first or second generation Kyocera > unit. Anyway, it can play early production CDs > with an occasional skip but refuses to play or > even recognize the newer ones. I'm not talking > about the super high density ones just standard > cds made 5 years ago. Does anyone know what is > happening here? I don't want to go in and fix > what may not be broken so any advice is greatly > appreciated. > Javier > > PS: Yes, I know that for 100 bucks I can get a newer > and better player but I'm a hopeless antiquarian. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 11:35:41 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 05:35:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question References: <11e.3b90b23.28b9aab9@aol.com> <3B95CF85.DB61A8EE@yahoo.com> <03c001c135dd$c8c85020$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B95F1ED.7673923A@yahoo.com> Thanks Steve! Do you ever sleep! It seems you are online 24/7/365 I'm starting to think you are an new online software app. Yes Kyocera made it for them in 1983 with the custom Phase Linear front plate to match the DRS series of components which succeeded the Series 2 rounded corners 19" pseudo rack components which look great and sound so-so. It was based on the Kyocera DA-01 which I believe was their first CD. I think you are right I've been able to get one 9500 working (I've got 2 ) using 2 cds an old one and a new one. I've been twiddling with 3 pots, one on the left hand side of the vertical board which may control laser intensity and 2 others that are located right next to each other on the right hand side of the same board and apparantly control position. Interestingly enough turning one of these in one direction requires that the other be turned inb the opposite direction. I have been trying to double zero in on something or other but I'm not sure on what! Whatever the case the old cd disk is alot more tolerant of adjustments than the new one so I've been using the old one for the rough adjustments and the new one for the fine ones. So far the old one works great but the new one only works well towards the higher tracks. Touchy is right! Even a a hailine twist on either pot throws everything off. I am afraid of touching any of the other pots. Still, I often amazed at how much I can accomplish without knowing what the hell I'm doing! Now if only I could market that skill. Does it look like I'm doing things right? Thanks alot Steve See Ya Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > If it is the same NEC laser-based transport as the OMS-5/7(not II), they are > very touchy about adjustments & the very unusual 3-axes optical alignment. > Going by the book is actually the worst way to do them. You simply have to > use the book(e.g., an OMS-7 manual) as a starting point & then trial & error > your way into getting to know how to do them right. Then, you need to use > that learning to tweak the unit on as many different CD's as you have on > hand to be sure of getting the perfect compromise alignment. Once you get > it right, it will play virtually any CD, CD-R, etc. that you can throw at > it. > I never knew these decks were OEM'd to Phase Linear. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:08 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question > > > Well, important to me anyway! > > I've got an old Phase Linear 9500 cd player > > based on a first or second generation Kyocera > > unit. Anyway, it can play early production CDs > > with an occasional skip but refuses to play or > > even recognize the newer ones. I'm not talking > > about the super high density ones just standard > > cds made 5 years ago. Does anyone know what is > > happening here? I don't want to go in and fix > > what may not be broken so any advice is greatly > > appreciated. > > Javier > > > > PS: Yes, I know that for 100 bucks I can get a newer > > and better player but I'm a hopeless antiquarian. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Wed Sep 5 12:04:07 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:04:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659EA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Alex, Be careful about how much you connect on the back of your preamp, do not exceed the wattage limit. For example if your preamp can only support 100 watts ac load and you decide to stack on the equipment via a power strip, you could find your power switch on the preamp go KAPOW or something to that nature. Check to see how much wattage each piece of equipment uses and connect only the ones that do not exceed the wattage total of the preamp ac outlet. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:autoconsortium at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 4:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was wondering...I have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of my preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. What about hooking up two amps to this as well? Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Some of their models feature "detachable trim plate", others - "detachable face plate". Any feedback would be highly appreciated. George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 5 14:59:22 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:59:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659EA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001801c1360a$ae3709e0$51289bca@smarzuki> Hi Alex, My solution is to use additional AC relay (or maybe DC relay if you have such 'trigger' output) to power up beefy amp relatively to my measly 'switched' preamp outlet. One power amp require preamp to be turned on first otherwise a loud thump would occur so I connected a DC relay to a 5 second delay circuit. This relay is rated for 10A per contact and there are 4 contacts = 40A = 4000W, about enough yuice. :-) Just connect your power strip to a relay instead of to preamp direct and youre safe. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ac switching question > Hi Alex, > > Be careful about how much you connect on the back of your preamp, do not exceed the wattage limit. For example if your preamp can only support 100 watts ac load and you decide to stack on the equipment via a power strip, you could find your power switch on the preamp go KAPOW or something to that nature. > > Check to see how much wattage each piece of equipment uses and connect only the ones that do not exceed the wattage total of the preamp ac outlet. > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:autoconsortium at earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 4:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question > > > Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was wondering...I > have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of my > preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook > all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current > theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. > What about hooking up two amps to this as well? > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 5 16:55:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:55:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question References: <11e.3b90b23.28b9aab9@aol.com> <3B95CF85.DB61A8EE@yahoo.com> <03c001c135dd$c8c85020$123442cf@sank1> <3B95F1ED.7673923A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <041d01c1361a$bf2f9220$123442cf@sank1> You have found me out. I am not, in fact, a human, but an artificial intelligence program, for which Bill Gates will most certainly get paid billions of dollars, despite having absolutely nothing to do with it. So, you have the toaster! Didn't know it was that old, pre-dating the OMS-7, but still rather similar. You sound like you are indeed on the right track. If you play with it for another 83 consecutive hours, you'll get it right.:) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Important CD question > Thanks Steve! > Do you ever sleep! > It seems you are online 24/7/365 > I'm starting to think you are an new > online software app. > > Yes Kyocera made it for them in 1983 with the custom > Phase Linear front plate to match the DRS > series of components which succeeded the Series > 2 rounded corners 19" pseudo rack components > which look great and sound so-so. > It was based on the Kyocera DA-01 which I believe > was their first CD. > > I think you are right I've been able to get one 9500 > working (I've got 2 ) using 2 cds an old one and a new one. > I've been twiddling with 3 pots, one on the left hand side of the > vertical board which may control > laser intensity and 2 others that are located right next to each other > on the right hand side of the same board > and apparantly control position. Interestingly enough turning one of > these in one direction requires > that the other be turned inb the opposite direction. I have been trying > to double zero in on something or other but I'm not > sure on what! > Whatever the case the old cd disk is alot more tolerant of adjustments > than the new one so I've been using > the old one for the rough adjustments and the new one for the fine ones. > So far the old one works great but the new one only works well towards > the higher tracks. > Touchy is right! Even a a hailine twist on either pot throws everything > off. > I am afraid of touching any of the other pots. > > > Still, I often amazed at how much I can accomplish without knowing what > the hell I'm doing! > Now if only I could market that skill. > > Does it look like I'm doing things right? > > Thanks alot Steve > > See Ya > Javier > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > If it is the same NEC laser-based transport as the OMS-5/7(not II), they are > > very touchy about adjustments & the very unusual 3-axes optical alignment. > > Going by the book is actually the worst way to do them. You simply have to > > use the book(e.g., an OMS-7 manual) as a starting point & then trial & error > > your way into getting to know how to do them right. Then, you need to use > > that learning to tweak the unit on as many different CD's as you have on > > hand to be sure of getting the perfect compromise alignment. Once you get > > it right, it will play virtually any CD, CD-R, etc. that you can throw at > > it. > > I never knew these decks were OEM'd to Phase Linear. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:08 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Important CD question > > > > > Well, important to me anyway! > > > I've got an old Phase Linear 9500 cd player > > > based on a first or second generation Kyocera > > > unit. Anyway, it can play early production CDs > > > with an occasional skip but refuses to play or > > > even recognize the newer ones. I'm not talking > > > about the super high density ones just standard > > > cds made 5 years ago. Does anyone know what is > > > happening here? I don't want to go in and fix > > > what may not be broken so any advice is greatly > > > appreciated. > > > Javier > > > > > > PS: Yes, I know that for 100 bucks I can get a newer > > > and better player but I'm a hopeless antiquarian. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 5 17:06:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:06:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Car audio 101 References: Message-ID: <043601c1361c$4e3ba340$123442cf@sank1> Not sure what they mean about "face" vs "trim plate", but I can tell you from direct experience that Alpine is terrible stuff. Built acceptably, but sounds BAD, especially compared to even the newer Nak stuff. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Car audio 101 > Pardon me for the dumb question, but it seems my English is not good enough > to distinguish between "detachable trim plate" and "detachable face" or > "front plate". What's the difference, if any ? A friend is considering > buying an Alpine CDA-7969 CD-tuner, but their site is not much use. Some of > their models feature "detachable trim plate", others - "detachable face > plate". Any feedback would be highly appreciated. > > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 5 17:26:51 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:26:51 EDT Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Message-ID: <124.4518211.28c79e3b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/01 9:17:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, summarex at yahoo.com writes: << Sounds great but how do you defeat the SCMS? Is it a switch or do you have to take a soldering iron to it? Javier >> On the Marantz and other pro units, it is a menu option. Consumer decks all have SCMS that cannot be defeated. As far as I know, CDRs recorded on computer software do not have SMCS, but you might want to ask the other gentleman about that one, as I don't have any direct experience recording on PCs. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Javier Perez Subject: Re: Fwd: [naktalk] OT - CD Burning using the PC Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:15:21 -0400 Size: 6888 URL: From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 5 17:31:40 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:31:40 EDT Subject: Fwd: Off Topic - (OT) Re: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <165.5f2ad0.28c79f5c@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/01 7:33:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, SBarr12393 at aol.com writes: << I use a timer which, along with my receiver's and eq's additional outlets allows me to turn all of my equipment on and off via two timer switches. Does anyone see any potential for damage via this configuration? -Sam >> Once again, if you are running ac through the timer, receiver, or whatever component's switched ac outlets, just be careful not to exceed the max. total rated wattage for that outlet. Some timers may have higher ratings and be designed to handle receivers, amps, and things that draw a lot of current (ie., drive speakers), but generally the switched outlet on the back of preamps and receivers is intended for source components that don't draw more than 30-40W or so. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: SBarr12393 at aol.com Subject: Off Topic - (OT) Re: [naktalk] ac switching question Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:31:15 EDT Size: 2087 URL: From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 5 17:34:16 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:34:16 EDT Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <138.12d1bfe.28c79ff8@aol.com> In a message dated 9/5/01 6:07:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Hi Alex, My solution is to use additional AC relay (or maybe DC relay if you have such 'trigger' output) to power up beefy amp relatively to my measly 'switched' preamp outlet. One power amp require preamp to be turned on first otherwise a loud thump would occur so I connected a DC relay to a 5 second delay circuit. This relay is rated for 10A per contact and there are 4 contacts = 40A = 4000W, about enough yuice. :-) Just connect your power strip to a relay instead of to preamp direct and youre safe. Best regards, Salim SM >> good idea! never thought about that one. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] ac switching question Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:59:22 +0700 Size: 4495 URL: From britri at pacbell.net Wed Sep 5 19:21:18 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:21:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659EA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <001801c1360a$ae3709e0$51289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B965EE5.F8BFF1FD@pacbell.net> This AC switching question ties back to a recent discussion regarding the need to turn power amps on and off. I believe the general consensus was to just leave 'em on, at least that's what I do. When I fire my power amp up, the lights in my music room dim significantly. Therefore, I don't turn it off. Most commercial applications, I am told and have observed, never turn off their non-motorized equipment. So, the simple answer, don't worry about relays, etc., just leave the stuff on! Brian S. Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Alex, > > My solution is to use additional AC relay (or maybe DC relay if you have > such 'trigger' output) to power up beefy amp relatively to my measly > 'switched' preamp outlet. One power amp require preamp to be turned on > first otherwise a loud thump would occur so I connected a DC relay to a 5 > second delay circuit. This relay is rated for 10A per contact and there are > 4 contacts = 40A = 4000W, about enough yuice. :-) > > Just connect your power strip to a relay instead of to preamp direct and > youre safe. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:04 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ac switching question > > > Hi Alex, > > > > Be careful about how much you connect on the back of your preamp, do not > exceed the wattage limit. For example if your preamp can only support 100 > watts ac load and you decide to stack on the equipment via a power strip, > you could find your power switch on the preamp go KAPOW or something to that > nature. > > > > Check to see how much wattage each piece of equipment uses and connect > only the ones that do not exceed the wattage total of the preamp ac outlet. > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:autoconsortium at earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 4:01 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question > > > > > > Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was > wondering...I > > have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of > my > > preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook > > all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current > > theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. > > What about hooking up two amps to this as well? > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 5 19:07:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 00:07:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question References: <138.12d1bfe.28c79ff8@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501c13630$da394140$5a289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Dave, actually I was trying to get a non-adjustable 220V cd player turned on by a non-adjustable 110V Nak RE-1. The idea of using step-down trafo for RE and another step-up trafo to the CDP was not 'right'. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] ac switching question > In a message dated 9/5/01 6:07:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: > > << Hi Alex, > > My solution is to use additional AC relay (or maybe DC relay if you have > such 'trigger' output) to power up beefy amp relatively to my measly > 'switched' preamp outlet. One power amp require preamp to be turned on > first otherwise a loud thump would occur so I connected a DC relay to a 5 > second delay circuit. This relay is rated for 10A per contact and there are > 4 contacts = 40A = 4000W, about enough yuice. :-) > > Just connect your power strip to a relay instead of to preamp direct and > youre safe. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > >> > > good idea! never thought about that one. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 5 19:46:10 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:46:10 EDT Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] ac switching question Message-ID: <15a.7f015e.28c7bee2@aol.com> In a message dated 9/5/01 10:15:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, britri at pacbell.net writes: << This AC switching question ties back to a recent discussion regarding the need to turn power amps on and off. I believe the general consensus was to just leave 'em on, at least that's what I do. When I fire my power amp up, the lights in my music room dim significantly. Therefore, I don't turn it off. Most commercial applications, I am told and have observed, never turn off their non-motorized equipment. So, the simple answer, don't worry about relays, etc., just leave the stuff on! Brian S. >> Yes, for higher end power amps like Krells, etc., I believe that most manufacturers tell you just to leave 'em on. However, if you're in California like I am, this is simply not cost-efficient with the current energy crisis. They're telling us to even turn things completely off, not just 'standby'! Not to mention what might happen during the all-to-frequent brown-outs and very occasional black outs. While PG&E tries to keep such voltage fluctuations during real late night hours, I still felt the need to get an AC voltage regulator/surge and noise suppressor. At any rate, I'm scared to think of what my electricity bill would be if I left my power amp on 24/7! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: britri at pacbell.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] ac switching question Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:21:18 -0700 Size: 5441 URL: From marcushemma at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 20:51:49 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:51:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tokyo References: <123.443bac5.28c68638@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave and Jeff for Your tips... Now waiting to leave, Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tokyo > In a message dated 9/4/01 12:25:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > marcushemma at hotmail.com writes: > > << Dear Nakamichi friends! > > I plan to visit Tokyo this fall. > > Does anyone have any tips on interesting shops for HiFi, > > new as well as "second hand" equipment? > > Marcus. >> > > Visit Akihabara, the 'electric town' district of Tokyo. There are hi-fi > stores that allow bartering. As for used equipment, there is very little of > that on the market usually, though that may be changing as the economy > worsens... the best used hi-fi store I've seen is in Shinjuku, right across > the street from the Tower Records that is attached to Shinjuku station... but > be careful, as this train station is HUGE! > > BTW, when you do go out shopping for stereos, bring your passport, as it will > exempt you from paying the 5% consumption tax on most major goods if they're > bought new. > > There are surprisingly few Naks for sale in and about Tokyo retail stores, > either new or used. I once saw a used Dragon, and it cost more than it would > have if you bought it here! (it was mint, however). > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 6 03:30:00 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:30:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659EA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <001801c1360a$ae3709e0$51289bca@smarzuki> <3B965EE5.F8BFF1FD@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <04b201c13673$72ec1ce0$123442cf@sank1> I second that. I leave my amps on 24/7, especially my Moscodes. Saves stress on the power supply & switching components & makes the tubes(in the Moscode there is only small tubes) last longer. Also, sharing power cords, by using preamp outlets or whatever, can have a significant impact on the sound of both the other equipment & the preamp. Can be quite a bad effect. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ac switching question > This AC switching question ties back to a recent discussion regarding the need to turn > power amps on and off. I believe the general consensus was to just leave 'em on, at > least that's what I do. When I fire my power amp up, the lights in my music room dim > significantly. Therefore, I don't turn it off. Most commercial applications, I am > told and have observed, never turn off their non-motorized equipment. > > So, the simple answer, don't worry about relays, etc., just leave the stuff on! > > Brian S. > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Hi Alex, > > > > My solution is to use additional AC relay (or maybe DC relay if you have > > such 'trigger' output) to power up beefy amp relatively to my measly > > 'switched' preamp outlet. One power amp require preamp to be turned on > > first otherwise a loud thump would occur so I connected a DC relay to a 5 > > second delay circuit. This relay is rated for 10A per contact and there are > > 4 contacts = 40A = 4000W, about enough yuice. :-) > > > > Just connect your power strip to a relay instead of to preamp direct and > > youre safe. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:04 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ac switching question > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > Be careful about how much you connect on the back of your preamp, do not > > exceed the wattage limit. For example if your preamp can only support 100 > > watts ac load and you decide to stack on the equipment via a power strip, > > you could find your power switch on the preamp go KAPOW or something to that > > nature. > > > > > > Check to see how much wattage each piece of equipment uses and connect > > only the ones that do not exceed the wattage total of the preamp ac outlet. > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:autoconsortium at earthlink.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 4:01 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] ac switching question > > > > > > > > > Heya folks. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend. I was > > wondering...I > > > have too much equipment to use the available ac switching on the back of > > my > > > preamp. Is it ok to hook a power strip up to one of the ac outs and hook > > > all the equipment up to that? I'm not well versed in alternating current > > > theory and would love to hear comments from those engineers on the list. > > > What about hooking up two amps to this as well? > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Thu Sep 6 08:28:55 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:28:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Grundig Wow&Flutter analyzer on German eBay Message-ID: <200109060628.f866Stw13494@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Thanks to Stephen there is a very nice Grundig speed/wow&flutter meter in Germany for 199DM, ends in ten hours from now. Doesn't look like any other people will bid on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270214011 Feel free to ask me for any assistance Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ Neuer Gewinnspiel-Service sorgt fur Furore! Wer hier nicht gewinnt, dem ist nicht mehr zu helfen! Mehr Infos: http://shortwin.de/jetzt-gewinnen ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Strange -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Thu Sep 6 09:03:42 2001 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:03:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Second test Message-ID: <200109060703.f8673gw03099@mailgate5.cinetic.de> -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 6 09:07:55 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:07:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Posting test References: <200109060644.f866i7w05125@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <060e01c136a2$a7ae3ba0$123442cf@sank1> You're being received on my end. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Fendt" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] Posting test > It seems that I can't post any messages to the group - but I can receive them. Strange > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 M�nchen > ==================== > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > ==================== > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > _______________________________________________________________________ > 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de > IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 09:08:47 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 03:08:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Posting test References: <200109060644.f866i7w05125@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <3B9720FF.F26EDF7@yahoo.com> What you are proposing is impossible. Javier Klaus Fendt wrote: > > It seems that I can't post any messages to the group - but I can receive them. Strange > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 München > ==================== > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > ==================== > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > _______________________________________________________________________ > 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de > IhrName at web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 6 14:15:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:15:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5764@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi all! If memory serves, there are at least several Nakstalkers who used to own (or do still own) a 48x. Me is not exception. I own a 481 and 480Z both having their problems, but that's not the point right here. The point is that unlike 481 (which looks very neatly inside), the Main PCB (as well as the Switch PCB though) of my 480Z is literally covered with suspicious external (on the dip-side) "post-solderings" (jumpers, caps, diodes, various resistors and stuff), as if someone tried to make some "improvements" on the deck. OTOH, after having finally got a SM for this particular deck, I, to my utter surprise, discovered that at least a good half of those "improvements" was meant to be there! Does is mean that Nakamichi made sort of "raw", unsufficiently considered schematics, put it "hastily" in production, whereafter it proved to be faulty and required some revision/upgrade? Another moment is that the SM refers to different 480Z modifications, namely, a) Ser. #A30801001-A30805968 b) Ser. #A30805969-... c) Ser. #A30901001-A30902973 d) Ser. #A30902974-... As you can see all numbers are octa-digit. It is pretty strange that my 480Z has a sticker on it claiming it to be of Ser. #A308004376, which is nine-digit, as it contains one "spare" 0. It is also strange, that the schematics of, say, Switch PCB of my 480Z (where bias trim pots are located) cannot be brought into correlation with either Ser. #. It's neither a), nor b), nor c), nor d)! It's sort of mix... Any coments? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 15:17:27 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:17:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z Message-ID: Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just to put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better ones were used in decks like the ZXL's ... Don't you ? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 6 15:47:23 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 17:47:23 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5766@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Straight to the point, Matyas! That's partially what I'm talking about. Just take a look inside and you'll see how pell-mell and careless the parts are soldered and placed. Why did they separate the logic off the Main PCB (thus adding some unnecessary wiring) and put that funny brown board beetling over the Main one? As funny as it's strange... Does anybody have a clue? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just > to > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > ones > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > Don't you ? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 6 16:06:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:06:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5766@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002c01c136df$94c79800$56289bca@smarzuki> Having none of the Z series, I can't make any comment ... on my 482 there's only one board and only a few "off-pcb" items. I suspect Nak used base 48x and did the necessary upgrade / additional board for the Z series rather than start from scratch. SM And I thought you mentioned my name, Nick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > Straight to the point, Matyas! That's partially what I'm talking about. Just > take a look inside and you'll see how pell-mell and careless the parts are > soldered and placed. Why did they separate the logic off the Main PCB (thus > adding some unnecessary wiring) and put that funny brown board beetling over > the Main one? As funny as it's strange... Does anybody have a clue? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matyas [SMTP:nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:17 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just > > to > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > ones > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 6 16:22:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:22:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Posting test References: <200109060644.f866i7w05125@mailgate5.cinetic.de> <3B9720FF.F26EDF7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c136df$98613980$56289bca@smarzuki> Hold on, I experienced that problem once - can receive messages but my post gone to internet heaven. Turned out that I used multiple ID for subscription, one for 'individual email' and the other for 'digest' (yahoo email to be retrieved from office :-). Somehow I mixed up the ID and when I post something, it was rejected. In addition Klaus had some problems with his server once ? He's also using two subscriptions I believe. And I've received email from one fellow who failed to post several times, he asked me to post his topic for him. Anyways ... looks like Klaus' last msgs came thru okay. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Posting test What you are proposing is impossible. Javier Klaus Fendt wrote: > > It seems that I can't post any messages to the group - but I can receive them. Strange ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 6 17:29:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:29:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: Message-ID: <064f01c136e8$b6ea3740$123442cf@sank1> It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just to > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better ones > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > Don't you ? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 17:32:32 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:32:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z Message-ID: A clue ? Just close the cover of your 480Z and try to listen at it, instead !!! :o) Best, Matyas >Straight to the point, Matyas! That's partially what I'm talking about. >Just >take a look inside and you'll see how pell-mell and careless the parts are >soldered and placed. Why did they separate the logic off the Main PCB (thus >adding some unnecessary wiring) and put that funny brown board beetling >over >the Main one? As funny as it's strange... Does anybody have a clue? > >Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matyas > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this >Nak > > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie >just > > to > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > ones > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > Don't you ? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 18:20:03 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:20:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Niro system Message-ID: Nak addicts or Wife reprimed men, Jump there... http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/niro/niro06.html Matyas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 18:27:26 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:27:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: JUST DREAM ON !!!!!! http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/Nautilus.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 18:32:09 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:32:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tokyo Message-ID: I think you have right now a place to go, Marcus ! Cheers, lucky you ! Matyas >Dear Nakamichi friends! > >I plan to visit Tokyo this fall. > >Does anyone have any tips on interesting shops for HiFi, > >new as well as "second hand" equipment? > >Marcus. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Sep 6 19:02:47 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:02:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/01 9:53:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: << JUST DREAM ON !!!!!! http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/Nautilus.html >> WoW, that thing looks more like a space ship than it does a sound system. Incredible. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Sep 6 19:34:23 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:34:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just out of curiosity...anyone have a guess as to how much money is sitting in that room? Alex > JUST DREAM ON !!!!!! http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/Nautilus.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Sep 6 20:35:51 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:35:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: <13d.1010e9e.28c91c07@aol.com> In a message dated 9/6/01 11:30:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << Just out of curiosity...anyone have a guess as to how much money is sitting in that room? Alex >> Huge possible range. We know how much the Nautiluses go for... I don't recognize any of the other equipment, but it's esoteric, to be sure. There has to be tens of thousands just in power amps alone... can anybody identify the manufacturer(s) of that other equipment? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Sep 6 21:03:40 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:03:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! In-Reply-To: <13d.1010e9e.28c91c07@aol.com> Message-ID: I understand that....but are we talking 200,000, or more like 500,000, or more? I was just wondering a roundabout number. Looks like there is about 30grand in cables alone. I think I know what that gold tape deck is. :-) Looks like there is one of those Eumig tape decks we were talking about a month or so ago as well. Alex > Huge possible range. We know how much the Nautiluses go for... I don't > recognize any of the other equipment, but it's esoteric, to be > sure. There > has to be tens of thousands just in power amps alone... can > anybody identify > the manufacturer(s) of that other equipment? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Sep 6 21:08:17 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:08:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: <51.10b9d7b3.28c923a1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/6/01 12:06:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: << I understand that....but are we talking 200,000, or more like 500,000, or more? It depends on the manufacturer. Until someone can identify the maker of all that stuff, it's all a guess. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 20:54:54 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:54:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <064f01c136e8$b6ea3740$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Is this the same glue that is found in the older machines as well? I do not now remember exacly where, but I have seen some light brown glue in more than one case, in either "OEM-type" 500, 550, 700 or 700II. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just > to > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > ones > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 21:29:59 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:29:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: Alex, I don't know...In this room, on the front system opposite wall, you can find also a home theatre with..haha...you'll see!!! They say that one have to reserve the Nautilus Club, being at 15 minute from the main shop. This site is to be visited from A to Z eyes wide opened! It is the first time I am so exited by an audio site !!! Despite having the high end B&W line, They have also the complete line of Nakamichi products, those created for the ART, and not only one specimen of each, but so many... It is so great to see the 1000ZXL gold to be the system's crown! Maytas PS: If you want to see how do looks Niro Nakamichi right now, have a look to his picture at http://216.87.12.168/enf/niro/who.html and read some of his words. I want him to Create the last cassette deck !!! I'd loved to read him talking about creating a free-thinking environment in which innovation can be nurtured without impediment... and return to roots as well. Alex Cagann wrote: >Just out of curiosity...anyone have a guess as to how much money is sitting >in that room? > >Alex _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 21:32:16 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010906193216.80796.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Did/do other audio equipment manufacturers use this light brown glue crap? Has it been banned from use yet? I know it was used in various computer monitors. I've scrapped many square inches of this stuff off of monitor circuit boards and Nak MR-1's BTW - Here's a picture of my Nakamichi MR-1 collection. Actually a friend of mine and I bought this collection. The person in the photo is not me. It's another friend. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg I think there were 107 MR-1's in all. SJ --- Marcus_Ros�n wrote: > Is this the same glue that is found in the older > machines as well? > I do not now remember exacly where, but I have seen > some light brown glue in more than one case, in > either "OEM-type" 500, 550, 700 or 700II. > > Marcus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly > into production, as they > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, > EXCEPT for that nasty > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the > tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the > more conductive it gets. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I > confort you on the fact this Nak > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to > have done this serie just > > to > > > put on all the components that were out of > tolerances, once the better > > ones > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Sep 6 21:35:34 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:35:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! References: <51.10b9d7b3.28c923a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <012a01c1370b$1cd566c0$5e031fac@brianm> I believe those gold colored units are by Accuphase. Probably power supplies amongst other things. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Let's die for! > In a message dated 9/6/01 12:06:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << I understand that....but are we talking 200,000, or more like 500,000, or > more? > > It depends on the manufacturer. Until someone can identify the maker of all > that stuff, it's all a guess. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 21:43:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:43:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! References: Message-ID: <3B97D1EF.DB1193A9@yahoo.com> Way too cluttered, I say! Javier Matyas wrote: > > JUST DREAM ON !!!!!! http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/Nautilus.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Sep 6 21:48:11 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:48:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! References: <51.10b9d7b3.28c923a1@aol.com> Message-ID: <013e01c1370c$dff69920$5e031fac@brianm> Let me correct, those gold colored units with the yellowish meters are accuphase power supplies; I see three of those. Not sure of the units with orange/red "meters". Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Let's die for! > In a message dated 9/6/01 12:06:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > autoconsortium at earthlink.net writes: > > << I understand that....but are we talking 200,000, or more like 500,000, or > more? > > It depends on the manufacturer. Until someone can identify the maker of all > that stuff, it's all a guess. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 6 22:18:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 03:18:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue References: <20010906193216.80796.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c13711$259862c0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Hello Scott ! You are ... far from sane. 107 MR1s ??? May I ask your friend to take a picture of you in front of those MR1 ? You have such good digicam, it seems fitting that you pioneered the nakfellow pictures ... I'm sure nobody will beat your collection here. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue Did/do other audio equipment manufacturers use this light brown glue crap? Has it been banned from use yet? I know it was used in various computer monitors. I've scrapped many square inches of this stuff off of monitor circuit boards and Nak MR-1's BTW - Here's a picture of my Nakamichi MR-1 collection. Actually a friend of mine and I bought this collection. The person in the photo is not me. It's another friend. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg I think there were 107 MR-1's in all. SJ --- Marcus_Rosén wrote: > Is this the same glue that is found in the older > machines as well? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 22:33:38 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:33:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! Message-ID: http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/niro/niro.html ...link not easy to extract, enjoy NIRO !!! For the esoteric amps, I have not found neither from who they came ! Navigate in with Alta Vista translation Japanese/English fonction ! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 22:41:50 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Me and my Naks In-Reply-To: <002801c13711$259862c0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20010906204150.87215.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> More than 50 of the decks are gone now. Sold on Digibid, Yahoo, eBay and locally in the Recycler and to friends who have home studios. In addition to the MR-1's I have a 480Z, CR-1A, RX-202 and RX-505. I also had a BX-300 which I sold two years ago. I am currently looking for a ZX-9 to go along with the owner's manual that I've had for years. I do have a digital camera. When I get around to it I will take a picture of myself in front of part of my collection. Probably on a dozen decks or so, sorry. SJ --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hello Scott ! > > You are ... far from sane. 107 MR1s ??? May I ask > your friend to take a > picture of you in front of those MR1 ? You have > such good digicam, it seems > fitting that you pioneered the nakfellow pictures > ... I'm sure nobody will > beat your collection here. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:32 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue > > > Did/do other audio equipment manufacturers use this > light brown glue crap? Has it been banned from use > yet? > > I know it was used in various computer monitors. > I've > scrapped many square inches of this stuff off of > monitor circuit boards and Nak MR-1's > > BTW - Here's a picture of my Nakamichi MR-1 > collection. Actually a friend of mine and I bought > this collection. The person in the photo is not me. > It's another friend. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg > > I think there were 107 MR-1's in all. > > SJ > --- Marcus_Ros�n wrote: > > Is this the same glue that is found in the older > > machines as well? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Thu Sep 6 23:48:19 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:48:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Message-ID: I am also having trouble posting here. Ken.Lee Melbourne Australia ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Fri Sep 7 01:06:22 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:06:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute References: Message-ID: <037e01c13728$8ccc3fe0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi! For my 1000ZXL I need some IC´s which are hard to get. Are there any substitutes for the 4556, 4559 and 4560 like the OP275 is for the 4558? Thanks for every help Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 01:56:14 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:56:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <064f01c136e8$b6ea3740$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B980D1E.40AE59A9@yahoo.com> I think the light brown glue is nothing more than some variant of contact cement. I doubt there is anything extraordinary about it. In addition to all those areas I've also seen it used on caps and other components in RF and high gain circuits presumably to keep the component from vibrating or possibly to hold it in a particular position. Javier Marcus Rosén wrote: > > Is this the same glue that is found in the older machines as well? > I do not now remember exacly where, but I have seen some light brown glue in more than one case, in either "OEM-type" 500, 550, 700 or 700II. > > Marcus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just > > to > > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > ones > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 02:58:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:58:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <064f01c136e8$b6ea3740$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <06c001c13738$34527540$123442cf@sank1> Yes, the same damn glue. More ranting about it in a sec, as I write a response to Scott's message about it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Ros�n" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > Is this the same glue that is found in the older machines as well? > I do not now remember exacly where, but I have seen some light brown glue in more than one case, in either "OEM-type" 500, 550, 700 or 700II. > > Marcus. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this Nak > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie just > > to > > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > ones > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 03:05:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:05:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue References: <20010906193216.80796.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06d001c13739$203cbec0$123442cf@sank1> That light brown glue is positively universal in Japanese electronics(and Korean, Taiwan, etc.). It has been causing trouble for more than twenty years, and there is no sign of anyone discontinuing it's use. It boggles the mind. There's simply no excuse. When that stuff is near heat, as in when it's used to steady a small transistor heatsink, it can go dark brown & conductive in less than a year. God only knows why they don't just use silicone rubber. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Light brown glue > Did/do other audio equipment manufacturers use this > light brown glue crap? Has it been banned from use > yet? > > I know it was used in various computer monitors. I've > scrapped many square inches of this stuff off of > monitor circuit boards and Nak MR-1's > > BTW - Here's a picture of my Nakamichi MR-1 > collection. Actually a friend of mine and I bought > this collection. The person in the photo is not me. > It's another friend. > > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/Racks.jpg > > I think there were 107 MR-1's in all. > > SJ > --- Marcus_Ros�n wrote: > > Is this the same glue that is found in the older > > machines as well? > > I do not now remember exacly where, but I have seen > > some light brown glue in more than one case, in > > either "OEM-type" 500, 550, 700 or 700II. > > > > Marcus. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly > > into production, as they > > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, > > EXCEPT for that nasty > > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the > > tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the > > more conductive it gets. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matyas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I > > confort you on the fact this Nak > > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to > > have done this serie just > > > to > > > > put on all the components that were out of > > tolerances, once the better > > > ones > > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 03:08:05 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:08:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute References: <037e01c13728$8ccc3fe0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <06ea01c13739$8d597c00$123442cf@sank1> The OP275 will sub extremely well for all of those numbers. But I don't waste them in motor drive circuits & servos, but rather, use the Mitsubishi M5218A. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute > Hi! > > For my 1000ZXL I need some IC�s which are hard to get. > Are there any substitutes for the 4556, 4559 and 4560 like the OP275 is for > the 4558? > > Thanks for every help > > Wolfgang > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 7 03:12:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:12:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute References: <037e01c13728$8ccc3fe0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <004601c1373a$2055a880$56289bca@smarzuki> Hi Wolfgang, I can still find those ICs here. One of them, either 4556 or 4560 is at such a premium that I put in 4558 instead. Stephen will give the solution in 5 mins, in any case ... let me know if you need those chips from here. I think they're interchangeable, but maybe one of them 'high power' is needed for headphone amp. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute Hi! For my 1000ZXL I need some IC´s which are hard to get. Are there any substitutes for the 4556, 4559 and 4560 like the OP275 is for the 4558? Thanks for every help Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 7 03:19:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:19:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! References: Message-ID: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> Matyas .... try to navigate through "contact us" button. :-) I now have 5mm thick mica 'flatness plate' which I'm eager to try soon. Waiting to finish homemade 'stroke gage' first ... or maybe you also have another better idea ? This one looks like the easiest tool to copy. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Let's die for! > > http://ww9.tiki.ne.jp/~audiogallery/niro/niro.html ...link not easy to > extract, enjoy NIRO !!! > > For the esoteric amps, I have not found neither from who they came ! > Navigate in with Alta Vista translation Japanese/English fonction ! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 05:34:23 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:34:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Let's die for! References: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B98403F.171EE72C@yahoo.com> Sorry guys This kind of setup leaves me cold. If/when I become a millionaire I'll have a big dark anechoic chamber with my Vandy 2cis my mc40S and my c504 along with 1 MR80 tuner 1 Nak or Revox 1 Sondek/Ekos/BPS and 1 decent CD player The room will be compleatly emtpy excepr for 1 small wooden chair and a huge spot lit picture of Frank McIntosh Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 7 05:17:14 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:47:14 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Me and my Naks Message-ID: <007b01c1374b$97953ee0$42d60192@vsnl> You deserve a picture along with atleast the other 50 MR1s as you rank number one ( along with your friend ) in the maximum Nak owned list ( as far as I know of). Congrats being there! But you should own 1000 ZXL/ Dragon along your futureZX9 as they are special. And if you want the special sound - CR7 to be added. If you get these soon we need another picture of you with these as well in 300DPI! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Me and my Naks >More than 50 of the decks are gone now. Sold on >Digibid, Yahoo, eBay and locally in the Recycler and >to friends who have home studios. > >In addition to the MR-1's I have a 480Z, CR-1A, RX-202 >and RX-505. I also had a BX-300 which I sold two >years ago. I am currently looking for a ZX-9 to go >along with the owner's manual that I've had for years. > >I do have a digital camera. When I get around to it I >will take a picture of myself in front of part of my >collection. Probably on a dozen decks or so, sorry. > >SJ >--- Salim Marzuki wrote: >> >> Hello Scott ! >> >> You are ... far from sane. 107 MR1s ??? May I ask >> your friend to take a >> picture of you in front of those MR1 ? You have >> such good digicam, it seems >> fitting that you pioneered the nakfellow pictures >> ... I'm sure nobody will >> beat your collection here. :-) >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ken.lee at rmit.edu.au Fri Sep 7 04:52:50 2001 From: ken.lee at rmit.edu.au (Ken Lee) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 13:52:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Parts Message-ID: Nak owners Does anyone know who can supply nak parts over the net, I am interested in nak alignment/level tapes, pinch rollers and nak heads. I have tried genuine Nak agents but they do not answer my mail. Ken (Australia) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Fri Sep 7 07:40:22 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:40:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute References: <037e01c13728$8ccc3fe0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> <06ea01c13739$8d597c00$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <039401c1375f$96e69840$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi Salim and Stephen! Thanks for your quick answer. Two of them 4560 and 4556 are used in the fluorescenz PCB of my 1000ZXL. So I think I´ll use the OP275 as a substitute. Wolfgang > The OP275 will sub extremely well for all of those numbers. But I don't > waste them in motor drive circuits & servos, but rather, use the Mitsubishi > M5218A. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:06 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute > > > > Hi! > > > > For my 1000ZXL I need some IC´s which are hard to get. > > Are there any substitutes for the 4556, 4559 and 4560 like the OP275 is > for > > the 4558? > > > > Thanks for every help > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 7 10:09:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:09:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 lil'problem. In-Reply-To: <039401c1375f$96e69840$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <000701c13774$751f3cc0$37d0893e@a4s1s2> Help guys! Small irritation with the ZX-9 ... If I set the recording levels evenly using the markers on the knobs, it actually records at a visibly higher level on one channel than the other (assuming the LED meters are correct.) It's not much but enough to be an irritation. I can get around this when recording off the tuner because that - thankfully - can output in mono. I then use that to ensure I am recording a balanced signal and then release it to bring back the stereo signal. Howevert, I don't have that luxury with the CD or record deck! And since I don't have perfect stereo hearing it's pretty hard for me to set the balance correctly in those cases just by listening. Therefore, I'd prefer to internally re-align those controls. Is this something at that complete novice as myself could undertake and, if so, how? (This machine is supposed to have been serviced around 12-18 months ago by a Nak engineer in Holland, by the way - tho' that was before I won it on e-Bay by accident.) Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 7 10:09:43 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c13774$7384c6a0$37d0893e@a4s1s2> Ken Try http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi_frames.htm but be warned - they are not as fast at responding as the e-mail is getting to them!!! Try here. If you have any trouble getting through tel me exactly what you've asked for and I'll chase them up for you by telephone. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Lee Sent: 07 September 2001 03:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Parts Nak owners Does anyone know who can supply nak parts over the net, I am interested in nak alignment/level tapes, pinch rollers and nak heads. I have tried genuine Nak agents but they do not answer my mail. Ken (Australia) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 11:24:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 03:24:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 lil'problem. References: <000701c13774$751f3cc0$37d0893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <07f601c1377e$d6108b60$123442cf@sank1> Your complaint with the rec level controls is a fairly inevitable problem that almost always exists in ZX's & most other things with 2 channel level controls: mismatch of resistance per position of each potentiometer. Only expensive precision pots can be counted upon to match & to stay matched, but this is one area where Nak chose not to spend the extra money. The only cure for the symptom is to replace one or both controls. But, you'd have to do a really difficult measurement of resistance per position of each control to assure an improvement of balance tracking. Even if you do this, unless you retrofit with precision pots, you may not have good balance tracking six months or six years down the road, do to thermally induced changes in the resistive elements. So, I really think the best solution is to carefully calibrate your meters & try to rely on them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 lil'problem. > Help guys! > > Small irritation with the ZX-9 ... If I set the recording levels evenly > using the markers on the knobs, it actually records at a visibly higher > level on one channel than the other (assuming the LED meters are correct.) > It's not much but enough to be an irritation. I can get around this when > recording off the tuner because that - thankfully - can output in mono. I > then use that to ensure I am recording a balanced signal and then release it > to bring back the stereo signal. Howevert, I don't have that luxury with > the CD or record deck! And since I don't have perfect stereo hearing it's > pretty hard for me to set the balance correctly in those cases just by > listening. Therefore, I'd prefer to internally re-align those controls. > Is this something at that complete novice as myself could undertake and, if > so, how? > > (This machine is supposed to have been serviced around 12-18 months ago by a > Nak engineer in Holland, by the way - tho' that was before I won it on e-Bay > by accident.) > > Graham > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 7 12:21:18 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:21:18 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5768@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, and what's the reason for pouring the parts with that glue? To fix them in place? To protect them from vibration? Bullshit, they are all soldered quite firmly... So why doing this? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this > Nak > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie > just > to > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > ones > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 13:23:51 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 07:23:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5768@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3B98AE47.C6595C38@yahoo.com> I think some parts can resonate creating noise and/or distortion problems in tuned or high gain circuits like rf/if stages maybe There is another theory This stuff may drip accidentally off the jar as they sniff the stuff. Javier Igritski Nick wrote: > > Stephen, > > and what's the reason for pouring the parts with that glue? To fix them in > place? To protect them from vibration? Bullshit, they are all soldered quite > firmly... So why doing this? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this > > Nak > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie > > just > > to > > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > ones > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 7 15:22:26 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:22:26 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F576F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, I believe it's a question to you. Recently, the frequency of the bias oscillator in my 480Z dropped to 75kHz (instead of 105K) and the voltage - down to 3V (instead of ca. 15V). Where to start looking at? MTIA Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Sep 7 15:47:48 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC96F4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I'm on a business trip so I cannot remember all the details but the 4560 is just a higher quality 4558, faster slew rate, better musically. I will never use 4558's again. They were in a preamp I owned and I was listening to a classical piece. As a violin played, the focus of the violin smeared as it dynamically peaked. I swapped all the 4558's out and installed the Burr-Brown OPA-2604 and now everything sounds nice and all instruments stay focused at all volume levels. The 2604 is also a JFET device with a high slew rate and bandwidth, JFET's are famous for being purer than other Op Amps. You can buy these from Digi-Key for around $2.50 each. I definitely recommend these. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: Wolfgang Smetanig > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OP substitute > > > Hi Wolfgang, > > I can still find those ICs here. One of them, either 4556 or 4560 is at > such a premium that I put in 4558 instead. Stephen will give the solution > in 5 mins, in any case ... let me know if you need those chips from here. > I > think they're interchangeable, but maybe one of them 'high power' is > needed > for headphone amp. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:06 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OP substitute > > > Hi! > > For my 1000ZXL I need some IC´s which are hard to get. > Are there any substitutes for the 4556, 4559 and 4560 like the OP275 is > for > the 4558? > > Thanks for every help > > Wolfgang > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Fri Sep 7 16:43:47 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:43:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F576F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <00ee01c137ab$832415c0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi Nick, had the same problem on my 682ZX - there was a fault in the bias oscillation circuit - 2 dead ElKo´s and two dead transistors. Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation > Stephen, > > I believe it's a question to you. Recently, the frequency of the bias > oscillator in my 480Z dropped to 75kHz (instead of 105K) and the voltage - > down to 3V (instead of ca. 15V). Where to start looking at? > > MTIA > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 7 17:34:06 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:34:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F576F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <00ee01c137ab$832415c0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: <000401c137b2$88ac8ac0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick, I always replace orange caps first and on 482 the main transistor switch was also gone (2sc945) and on rx202 the 'twin' transistors inside bias metal casing kaput. Since its such fairly small area and I don't have enough technical knowledge, once I replaced all 2-4 transistors everything goes back to normal. I replaced one on 660 only to fail again the next day, but this time its the neighboring transistor (2sa562 & 733). Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation Hi Nick, had the same problem on my 682ZX - there was a fault in the bias oscillation circuit - 2 dead ElKo´s and two dead transistors. Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation > Stephen, > > I believe it's a question to you. Recently, the frequency of the bias > oscillator in my 480Z dropped to 75kHz (instead of 105K) and the voltage - > down to 3V (instead of ca. 15V). Where to start looking at? > > MTIA > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 18:52:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:52:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F576F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <00ee01c137ab$832415c0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> <000401c137b2$88ac8ac0$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001901c137bd$82b2ff40$8d3442cf@sank1> Salim has most precisely answered as I would have. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation > > Hi Nick, > > I always replace orange caps first and on 482 the main transistor switch was > also gone (2sc945) and on rx202 the 'twin' transistors inside bias metal > casing kaput. Since its such fairly small area and I don't have enough > technical knowledge, once I replaced all 2-4 transistors everything goes > back to normal. I replaced one on 660 only to fail again the next day, but > this time its the neighboring transistor (2sa562 & 733). > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation > > > Hi Nick, > > had the same problem on my 682ZX - there was a fault in the bias oscillation > circuit - 2 dead ElKo�s and two dead transistors. > > Wolfgang > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 480Z, Bias oscillation > > > > Stephen, > > > > I believe it's a question to you. Recently, the frequency of the bias > > oscillator in my 480Z dropped to 75kHz (instead of 105K) and the voltage - > > down to 3V (instead of ca. 15V). Where to start looking at? > > > > MTIA > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 7 18:59:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:59:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5768@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3B98AE47.C6595C38@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c137be$76c32920$8d3442cf@sank1> I think Javier is right in his latter explanation! Seriously, though, they use this glue to simply anchor things in place. 95 percent of the time, things that don't actually need anchoring. All the more reason the stuff really pisses me off. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > I think some parts can resonate creating > noise and/or distortion problems in > tuned or high gain circuits like rf/if stages maybe > There is another theory > This stuff may drip accidentally > off the jar as they sniff the stuff. > Javier > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Stephen, > > > > and what's the reason for pouring the parts with that glue? To fix them in > > place? To protect them from vibration? Bullshit, they are all soldered quite > > firmly... So why doing this? > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:29 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > It does seem that the 480Z was rushed too quickly into production, as they > > > are all full of patchwork. This isn't a problem, EXCEPT for that nasty > > > GLUE! You MUST remove all of the tan-to-dark-brown glue that was used to > > > secure these patches. The darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matyas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Messy soldering in 480Z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, I have not anymore my 480Z but I confort you on the fact this > > > Nak > > > > is full of piggy mods... I suspect Nakamichi to have done this serie > > > just > > > to > > > > put on all the components that were out of tolerances, once the better > > > ones > > > > were used in decks like the ZXL's ... > > > > Don't you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Sep 7 19:02:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:02:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Still some umph in SACD Message-ID: <3c.10f6e7da.28ca57b9@aol.com> http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1129 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 7 19:24:16 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:24:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 lil'problem. In-Reply-To: <07f601c1377e$d6108b60$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c137c1$eb6eaf80$38da883e@a4s1s2> Thanks, Stephen - much obliged. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 September 2001 10:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 lil'problem. Your complaint with the rec level controls is a fairly inevitable problem that almost always exists in ZX's & most other things with 2 channel level controls: mismatch of resistance per position of each potentiometer. Only expensive precision pots can be counted upon to match & to stay matched, but this is one area where Nak chose not to spend the extra money. The only cure for the symptom is to replace one or both controls. But, you'd have to do a really difficult measurement of resistance per position of each control to assure an improvement of balance tracking. Even if you do this, unless you retrofit with precision pots, you may not have good balance tracking six months or six years down the road, do to thermally induced changes in the resistive elements. So, I really think the best solution is to carefully calibrate your meters & try to rely on them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Sep 7 19:45:46 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:45:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: Hi fellows, I have a Nak 700 II right now for me ;-) The deck suffered of loosy boars contacts due to oxidation, leading to no level on one channel. It was rather simple to dismount the unit. (I am astonished by the flywheels size & belts as well..and of the unit weight !) I like also the very precise & soft feeling of its azimuth controls. The mics input seems to be of great quality but I haven't the time yet to test deeper.. The problem is resolved, BUT by now, I need help because the venerable deck show me that it needs a special remounting care... I am sure one have to remount the front panel having the deck in a particular position, 'cause the PAUSE button lights on, and I cannot anymore activate the REC. function. (other functions are ok while you keep you finger on the dedicated button) Thanks a lot ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 8 09:46:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 01:46:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: Message-ID: <010701c1383a$63c380a0$8d3442cf@sank1> The front panel position should not affect the 700II keypad, unless the keypad PCB is not secured properly & the contact spring behind the touch bar is somehow touching ground. The panel should be positioned "cosmetically", i.e., so that it is centered with the black meter panel piece, when that piece is centered around the level control shafts. First thing to check is that the same type p.c.board edge connector that is used as a "plug & jack" cable connector from keypad to logic circuits is clean & with all spring contacts tightened. Then, same thing on the logic board. If that ain't it, then take the keypad PCB off of the front panel & inspect each keybar contact spring for good tension against bars & that none have been bent in other directions. Before re-mounting, very lightly sandpaper a bright new contact surface on the back end of each key bar, then do the same to the mating surface of each contact spring. If none of the above helps, I'll try to dig further back in my memory & in the schematics for other possibilities. Be sure you have cleaned every edge connector contact surface & tightened every contact spring in all of the deck. Those things cause all kinds of flakes when not maintained. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Hi fellows, I have a Nak 700 II right now for me ;-) > The deck suffered of loosy boars contacts due to oxidation, leading to no > level on one channel. It was rather simple to dismount the unit. (I am > astonished by the flywheels size & belts as well..and of the unit weight !) > I like also the very precise & soft feeling of its azimuth controls. The > mics input seems to be of great quality but I haven't the time yet to test > deeper.. > > The problem is resolved, BUT by now, I need help because the venerable deck > show me that it needs a special remounting care... I am sure one have to > remount the front panel having the deck in a particular position, 'cause the > PAUSE button lights on, and I cannot anymore activate the REC. function. > (other functions are ok while you keep you finger on the dedicated button) > > Thanks a lot ! > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 8 18:58:48 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:58:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <010701c1383a$63c380a0$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thank you Stephen ! I had already cleaned the PCB edge connectors & springs of the keypad and of the logic board (for connectors springs, I had also carefully given some supplementary tension on each of them with a thin screwdriver -perhaps not enought ?) since I had noticed the problem, after my 700II first re-mounting ...and it doesn't help. As you recommend, I will dismount the keypad ass'y. Again, thank you for your instant replies. Matyas PS: fun to see double layer-metallised holes board (very expensive for the epoch, one tells me) for logic PCB, given the age of the deck & that I never see that in a Nak. Does the double layer PCB's were more used in Nak 1000 & 1000II, any other models ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > The front panel position should not affect the 700II keypad, unless the > keypad PCB is not secured properly & the contact spring behind the touch bar > is somehow touching ground. The panel should be positioned "cosmetically", > i.e., so that it is centered with the black meter panel piece, when that > piece is centered around the level control shafts. > First thing to check is that the same type p.c.board edge connector that is > used as a "plug & jack" cable connector from keypad to logic circuits is > clean & with all spring contacts tightened. Then, same thing on the logic > board. > If that ain't it, then take the keypad PCB off of the front panel & inspect > each keybar contact spring for good tension against bars & that none have > been bent in other directions. Before re-mounting, very lightly sandpaper a > bright new contact surface on the back end of each key bar, then do the same > to the mating surface of each contact spring. > If none of the above helps, I'll try to dig further back in my memory & in > the schematics for other possibilities. > Be sure you have cleaned every edge connector contact surface & tightened > every contact spring in all of the deck. Those things cause all kinds of > flakes when not maintained. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:45 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > Hi fellows, I have a Nak 700 II right now for me ;-) > > The deck suffered of loosy boars contacts due to oxidation, leading to no > > level on one channel. It was rather simple to dismount the unit. (I am > > astonished by the flywheels size & belts as well..and of the unit weight > !) > > I like also the very precise & soft feeling of its azimuth controls. The > > mics input seems to be of great quality but I haven't the time yet to test > > deeper.. > > > > The problem is resolved, BUT by now, I need help because the venerable > deck > > show me that it needs a special remounting care... I am sure one have to > > remount the front panel having the deck in a particular position, 'cause > the > > PAUSE button lights on, and I cannot anymore activate the REC. function. > > (other functions are ok while you keep you finger on the dedicated button) > > > > Thanks a lot ! > > Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 8 20:18:36 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:18:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim ! I never had yet to think about the built of a stroke gauge...but, with my first 582 which is my first Nak (and it has met my first Nak mechanical inquisitions...given that, the white plastic retainer screw of the supply guide has bid me farewell some month ago...) I was forced to find a clue! I took then an adapted metal nut for the shaft, a washer...and a Vernier (I hope this is the word for the sliding measuring claw) Then I'd positioned the mecha' in play mode, measured the space from the adjusting screws metal plate to the edge of the take-up plastic tape guide. I compared this distance to each Naks I have, even with the supply guide distance measurement. I made an average of the results, compared the ratio of the "offset" that could exist between Supply & Take-up side. By these bases it is possible to calculate the distance of the guide you want to adjust, if you take TU guide for reference, rather of the supply one, because Supply guide is the one that the user is exited to fiddle with :-( ...the other being non-attainable. Of course, I haven't Nak tools to verify the setting, but I think it was a good way to proceed. On flatness plate topic, I cannot imagine what worth a mica plate & give you my views on, as I never seen any, sorry. Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Let's die for! > > Matyas .... try to navigate through "contact us" button. :-) > > I now have 5mm thick mica 'flatness plate' which I'm eager to try soon. > Waiting to finish homemade 'stroke gage' first ... or maybe you also have > another better idea ? This one looks like the easiest tool to copy. > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 9 06:34:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:34:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II References: <010701c1383a$63c380a0$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01d101c138e8$b0ad4c80$8d3442cf@sank1> The 700, 1000, & -II's were the only Naks I can think of that used double sided PC's, which I am sure was an expensive process in the '70's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > Thank you Stephen ! > I had already cleaned the PCB edge connectors & springs of the keypad and of > the > logic board (for connectors springs, I had also carefully given some > supplementary > tension on each of them with a thin screwdriver -perhaps not enought ?) > since I had noticed the > problem, after my 700II first re-mounting ...and it doesn't help. As you > recommend, I will dismount the keypad ass'y. Again, thank you for your > instant replies. > Matyas > > PS: fun to see double layer-metallised holes board (very expensive for the > epoch, one tells me) for logic PCB, given the age of the deck & that I never > see that in a Nak. > Does the double layer PCB's were more used in Nak 1000 & 1000II, any other > models ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > The front panel position should not affect the 700II keypad, unless the > > keypad PCB is not secured properly & the contact spring behind the touch > bar > > is somehow touching ground. The panel should be positioned > "cosmetically", > > i.e., so that it is centered with the black meter panel piece, when that > > piece is centered around the level control shafts. > > First thing to check is that the same type p.c.board edge connector that > is > > used as a "plug & jack" cable connector from keypad to logic circuits is > > clean & with all spring contacts tightened. Then, same thing on the logic > > board. > > If that ain't it, then take the keypad PCB off of the front panel & > inspect > > each keybar contact spring for good tension against bars & that none have > > been bent in other directions. Before re-mounting, very lightly sandpaper > a > > bright new contact surface on the back end of each key bar, then do the > same > > to the mating surface of each contact spring. > > If none of the above helps, I'll try to dig further back in my memory & in > > the schematics for other possibilities. > > Be sure you have cleaned every edge connector contact surface & tightened > > every contact spring in all of the deck. Those things cause all kinds of > > flakes when not maintained. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:45 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II > > > > > > > Hi fellows, I have a Nak 700 II right now for me ;-) > > > The deck suffered of loosy boars contacts due to oxidation, leading to > no > > > level on one channel. It was rather simple to dismount the unit. (I am > > > astonished by the flywheels size & belts as well..and of the unit weight > > !) > > > I like also the very precise & soft feeling of its azimuth controls. The > > > mics input seems to be of great quality but I haven't the time yet to > test > > > deeper.. > > > > > > The problem is resolved, BUT by now, I need help because the venerable > > deck > > > show me that it needs a special remounting care... I am sure one have to > > > remount the front panel having the deck in a particular position, 'cause > > the > > > PAUSE button lights on, and I cannot anymore activate the REC. function. > > > (other functions are ok while you keep you finger on the dedicated > button) > > > > > > Thanks a lot ! > > > Matyas > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Sep 9 17:31:39 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:31:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Panasonic SV3700 Message-ID: <004f01c13944$85492fd0$4a756acf@johnrotten> Anybody here got a Service Manual for a Panasonic SV3700 DAT machine? Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 18:16:41 2001 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:16:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001001c1394a$d61443e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Hello Nakamikaze ! Finally completed my homemade stroke gage .... quite easy to build within a tape shell and some triangle plastic ruler pieces. I believe I'm extending my dragon's head lifespan as its pb stroke was way forward, compared to CR head. This tool should be useful whenever you need to change head - as confirmed on 482 - somehow its rec head was significantly more forward than pb head, leaving insufficient contact / pressure on pb head. Also thanks to your flatness plate idea, I'm able to detect tilted rec head on same dragon, which probably one of the source of tape pull problem on reverse side. That 5mm thick plastic / mica is as good as glass and you don't have to worry about pressing the plate too hard. :-) My feeling 'treshold' is quarter / one-third turn so I should be only a few clicks off from the center. I've never tried to measure roller heights ... but how can you possibly fit in a large vernier inside that area ? (yup I guess that's the word) This is still a problem following 'sticky shaft syndrome' .. usually I pull out head block and watch for a stable tape path (sawed off shell) especially over the erase head. Best regards, nakmania at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > Hi Salim ! > I never had yet to think about the built of a stroke gauge...but, with my > first 582 which is my first Nak (and it has met my first Nak mechanical > inquisitions...given that, the white plastic retainer screw of the supply > guide has bid me farewell some month ago...) I was forced to find a clue! > I took then an adapted metal nut for the shaft, a washer...and a Vernier (I > hope this is the word for the sliding measuring claw) > > Then I'd positioned the mecha' in play mode, measured the space from the > adjusting screws metal plate to the edge of the take-up plastic tape guide. > I compared this distance to each Naks I have, even with the supply guide > distance measurement. I made an average of the results, compared the ratio > of the "offset" that could exist between Supply & Take-up side. By these > bases it is possible to calculate the distance of the guide you want to > adjust, if you take TU guide for reference, rather of the supply one, > because Supply guide is the one that the user is exited to fiddle with :-( > ...the other being non-attainable. Of course, I haven't Nak tools to verify > the setting, but I think it was a good way to proceed. > > On flatness plate topic, I cannot imagine what worth a mica plate & give you > my views on, as I never seen any, sorry. > Regards, > Matyas > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 9 23:59:23 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:59:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5E References: <001201c1396b$ac5637e0$6b8855c3@amd> Message-ID: <02bf01c1397a$b0683fe0$8d3442cf@sank1> The CA-5 was the best sounding of the three "modern" Nak preamps, the two BAD ones being the CA-7 & CA-5II. Not the best preamp in the world, but a nice, simple, discrete transistor design. It'll definitely blow away your Harman Kardon, or at least I'll be shocked if it doesn't. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5E Hello Naktalkers, Can somebody tell me if the preamp CA5E is a good second hand choice? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khambawati at hotmail.com Mon Sep 10 03:36:13 2001 From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:36:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem Message-ID: Playback of recorded tapes shows level shortfall in right channel of 50 dB LED meters. This was analysed in previous posts as possible problem in grease freeze in pinch roller pivot arm. Have done following as instructed by Naktalk gurus: Removed cassette compartment cover; pressed play and pressed down pinch roller on either side; both have returned fairly fast to original position: left side marginally slower but still returning. Present performance: Right channel level has improved after above exercise though there is marginal difference noticeable on dual mono tapes: i.e. tapes recorded with the same signal on both tracks from an open reel spool with the same signal on all four tracks moving in one direction. Should I ignore problem given improvement which is also audible? Or, should I go in for minor surgical procedure? Grateful for advice both on naktalk as well as backchannel Debashish Chakravarti _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 10 05:40:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:40:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem References: Message-ID: <02f901c139aa$4ff71160$8d3442cf@sank1> I'm not sure how you getting surgery is going to help your tape deck=), but it sounds like the left pinch arm will need attention to it's grease in the next year or two, but isn't the current fault cause. Did you also check to see if both roller spin freely? Grease hardens there as well. Don't recall what you've said about when it last had service, but it may be that you simply need a new capstan belt, which needs to be the exact original OC08096 Nak belt. A non-Nak belt will make tape skewing worse. The diagnostic method, at least mine, to tell if the belt is causing the tape skew is to play a recorded tape, then, while problem is happening, apply a light finger pressure to the drive rim of the left reel table, behind the cassette where the drive idler is. In other words, manually add back tension. If the problem is corrected by this, then replace the belt & all should be fine. Just be sure to let the new belt be installed for a few days before finalising speed adjustment. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debashish Chakravarti" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem > Playback of recorded tapes shows level shortfall in right channel of 50 dB > LED meters. This was analysed in previous posts as possible problem in > grease freeze in pinch roller pivot arm. Have done following as instructed > by Naktalk gurus: > > Removed cassette compartment cover; pressed play and pressed down pinch > roller on either side; both have returned fairly fast to original position: > left side marginally slower but still returning. > > Present performance: > > Right channel level has improved after above exercise though there is > marginal difference noticeable on dual mono tapes: i.e. tapes recorded with > the same signal on both tracks from an open reel spool with the same signal > on all four tracks moving in one direction. > > Should I ignore problem given improvement which is also audible? Or, should > I go in for minor surgical procedure? > > Grateful for advice both on naktalk as well as backchannel > > Debashish Chakravarti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 10 07:37:38 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:07:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem Message-ID: <003101c139ba$b418a9a0$42d60192@vsnl> Dear Debashish Sorry for delaying the reply to your personal mail ( half written reply is in my draft folder - I was having lot more personal work had kept me away ) However Stephen' posting struck me as " how true we ignore simple reasons sometimes". My advice to anybody on Nak recorder repair is to observe a lot before opening up or replacing anything as I have done such mistakes ( opening it up urgently )and found problems belong to another area! You had mentioned earlier that you replaced all belts - we tend to assume the belts are allright. But that may be an issue here! As Stephen points out the tape tension problems can cause drop in output and so many other wierd problems along with Head tilt and stroke. If you love your LX3 just send it to Stephen for a check up and tune. Since LX3 is a two head machine, problems associated with head adjustments are much less than probably pinch rollar / pivot arm/ belt issues Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem >I'm not sure how you getting surgery is going to help your tape deck=), but >it sounds like the left pinch arm will need attention to it's grease in the >next year or two, but isn't the current fault cause. Did you also check to >see if both roller spin freely? Grease hardens there as well. Don't recall >what you've said about when it last had service, but it may be that you >simply need a new capstan belt, which needs to be the exact original OC08096 >Nak belt. A non-Nak belt will make tape skewing worse. >The diagnostic method, at least mine, to tell if the belt is causing the >tape skew is to play a recorded tape, then, while problem is happening, >apply a light finger pressure to the drive rim of the left reel table, >behind the cassette where the drive idler is. In other words, manually add >back tension. If the problem is corrected by this, then replace the belt & >all should be fine. Just be sure to let the new belt be installed for a few >days before finalising speed adjustment. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Debashish Chakravarti" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:36 PM >Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem > > >> Playback of recorded tapes shows level shortfall in right channel of 50 dB >> LED meters. This was analysed in previous posts as possible problem in >> grease freeze in pinch roller pivot arm. Have done following as instructed >> by Naktalk gurus: >> >> Removed cassette compartment cover; pressed play and pressed down pinch >> roller on either side; both have returned fairly fast to original >position: >> left side marginally slower but still returning. >> >> Present performance: >> >> Right channel level has improved after above exercise though there is >> marginal difference noticeable on dual mono tapes: i.e. tapes recorded >with >> the same signal on both tracks from an open reel spool with the same >signal >> on all four tracks moving in one direction. >> >> Should I ignore problem given improvement which is also audible? Or, >should >> I go in for minor surgical procedure? >> >> Grateful for advice both on naktalk as well as backchannel >> >> Debashish Chakravarti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl Mon Sep 10 08:19:49 2001 From: N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl (N.van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:19:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ca5 and Pa5 Message-ID: Thanks for your answer Stephan. Can you see if you are buying a CA5 or a CA5II? I'am thinking of buying a CA5 and PA5 as one set. Is the PA5 also a good sounding endamp? greetings Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 10 09:06:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:06:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ca5 and Pa5 References: Message-ID: <034e01c139c7$28e73240$8d3442cf@sank1> Can't quite remember for sure, but I believe the CA-5 had no tone controls, whereas the CA5II definitely did have them. But the CA-5II was a chip preamp, based on the CA-7 circuitry & sounded equally bad. If the CA-5 you're considering is with a PA-5, which has no handles, then it is almost certainly not a CA-5II. The PA-5II has big handles, like the PA-7/7II. All PA-5/7 versions are great amps. Among my top choices for solid state amps, right up there with Spectral, Rowland & McIntosh. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ca5 and Pa5 > Thanks for your answer Stephan. > Can you see if you are buying a CA5 or a CA5II? I'am thinking of buying a CA5 and PA5 as one set. Is the PA5 also a good sounding endamp? > > greetings Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 10 09:17:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:17:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem References: <003101c139ba$b418a9a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001201c139c8$e0783020$55289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, Yes ... you are exactly right ! I think what caused most of tape pull on dragon was supply roller (becoming take up on reverse) - problem dissapeared after I cleaned it thoroughly even before adjusting rec tilt. Previously I only cleaned the forward take up roller so on reverse side the supply "grip" was relatively stronger, fwiw. Also Stephen pointed me from half globe away that root of 682 dropout problem was its belt - of course I already messed up the pb amp. :-) Bright side is, I learned a lot from mistakes .... I believe LX3 is a 2 head deck built just like other good 3 head naks, just like 480 ? Meaning dual capstans, padlifter, 3 separate adjustment points as well as problems associated with those goodies. Anyway if you didn't touch the screws then it is unlikely that problem came from misaligned head. Debashish, have you replaced or reconditioned the rollers too ? It's best to start with good working mechanics such as good belt, rollers, well lubed roller and capstan shafts. Then head positioning - if flaw is really obvious - finally the insides (except orange caps). If you are lucky enough to reside in the US then better send it to N.M.. :-) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 playback problem > Dear Debashish > Sorry for delaying the reply to your personal mail ( half written reply is > in my draft folder - I was having lot more personal work had kept me away ) > However Stephen' posting struck me as " how true we ignore simple reasons > sometimes". > My advice to anybody on Nak recorder repair is to observe a lot before > opening up or replacing anything as I have done such mistakes ( opening it > up urgently )and found problems belong to another area! > You had mentioned earlier that you replaced all belts - we tend to assume > the belts are allright. But that may be an issue here! As Stephen points out > the tape tension problems can cause drop in output and so many other wierd > problems along with Head tilt and stroke. If you love your LX3 just send it > to Stephen for a check up and tune. > > Since LX3 is a two head machine, problems associated with head adjustments > are much less than probably pinch rollar / pivot arm/ belt issues > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Sep 10 11:25:55 2001 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:25:55 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] DM10 Demagnetiser Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910212307.020e2150@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, I'd like to ask a question that may have a simple answer. Were there 230v versions of the DM10 produced? I live in New Zealand and would like to know - no good searching for something that doesn't exist. :-) If they weren't made what are my options for demagnetising? Brett bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 10 19:30:49 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:30:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Ca5 and Pa5 Message-ID: <111.518a17e.28ce52c9@aol.com> In a message dated 9/10/2001 2:06:19 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Among my top choices for solid state amps, right up there with Spectral, Rowland & McIntosh. >> Hey Stephen, that's very impressive company! And, I've seen a few real nice PA-7 and PA-7 II's on eBay from time to time a fraction of the cost. I like the looks of the PA-7 II too! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 10 22:40:14 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:40:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> <001001c1394a$d61443e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim ! I am happy you'd trust my method & that your flatness plate experience is conclusive ! Just curious: does your Dragon PB head tilt was lightly off ? To tell the truth, to me, stroke subject wasn't for the instance a primordial point in the rescue of a Nak, without your views. Do you mean by your Dragon example, that along the years of use, the stroke that is defined by the plastic adjuster can goes off ? I can just imagine a wear of the plastic parts affiliated to stroke adjuster...(I never have yet to dismount deeply the mecha transport, so I didn't see well how stroke adjuster works) If so, it isn't a good point to Nak in regard of performance degradation due to uneven stroke, if any can occurs... We arrive to important questions now : -Have you ever try to listen a good cassette recording on a Nak deck with different stroke settings ? (easy to reset thanks to a pen mark) -What are the results in sound (around possible settings that wear can do)? - In which notches proportion the stroke adjuster of your Dragon had been moved to match the CR' ? Also you tell me this DIY gauge is useful to adjust the stroke of newly installed heads...but with which mechanical reference ? (I guess of the erase head?) Can you send me a drawing of this gauge at csaba at isuisse.com please ? I just find obscure the triangle (why?) plastic ruler, about fixation on the shell... Thank you very much, Salim. About roller height, what I call a vernier have the particularity to measurate outer & inner dimmensions of an object with the "claw" end, and the depth of a hole, by a sliding rod (dependent of the claw motion). It is with that rod I meet the edge of the tape guide. I wish someone will give us the right word for this instrument !!! Best regards & please forgive so numerous queries, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > Hello Nakamikaze ! > > Finally completed my homemade stroke gage .... quite easy to build within a > tape shell and some triangle plastic ruler pieces. I believe I'm extending > my dragon's head lifespan as its pb stroke was way forward, compared to CR > head. This tool should be useful whenever you need to change head - as > confirmed on 482 - somehow its rec head was significantly more forward than > pb head, leaving insufficient contact / pressure on pb head. > > Also thanks to your flatness plate idea, I'm able to detect tilted rec head > on same dragon, which probably one of the source of tape pull problem on > reverse side. That 5mm thick plastic / mica is as good as glass and you > don't have to worry about pressing the plate too hard. :-) My feeling > 'treshold' is quarter / one-third turn so I should be only a few clicks off > from the center. > > I've never tried to measure roller heights ... but how can you possibly fit > in a large vernier inside that area ? (yup I guess that's the word) This > is still a problem following 'sticky shaft syndrome' .. usually I pull out > head block and watch for a stable tape path (sawed off shell) especially > over the erase head. > > Best regards, > nakmania at yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 02:44:03 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:44:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <004b01c1373b$161a3920$56289bca@smarzuki> <001001c1394a$d61443e0$4c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <040901c13a5a$dc1de960$8d3442cf@sank1> Matyas, The head stroke, which is the measure of how far each head goes up into the head shell, is not a function of any of the white plastic adjusters. The play head stroke is adjusted via an adjuster for the whole head block slider plate, meaning not the plate on which the heads are mounted, but the larger plate that the head mounting plate is mounted upon. The adjuster is a plastic eccentric cam-thingy(don't know what to call it) located behind the approximate center of the cassette well back plate. The record head stroke is much more difficult to access, and therefore very hard for the average tinkerer to mess with. It is adjusted by loosening the two small screws that secure the head to the head mounting(this being the part that is moved by the height/tilt/azimuth plastic adjuster screws). These screws being so hard to get to, it is very rare for adjustment to be needed, except when the head is replaced or if somebody has really gone to a lot of trouble to mess it up. What you're calling a "vernier" is called a "caliper", or, if it has a geared-down rotary dial, a "vernier caliper". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > Hi Salim ! > I am happy you'd trust my method & that your flatness plate experience is > conclusive ! Just curious: does your Dragon PB head tilt was lightly off ? > > To tell the truth, to me, stroke subject wasn't for the instance a > primordial point in the rescue of a Nak, without your views. Do you mean by > your Dragon example, that along the years of use, the stroke that is defined > by the plastic adjuster can goes off ? I can just imagine a wear of the > plastic parts affiliated to stroke adjuster...(I never have yet to dismount > deeply the mecha transport, so I didn't see well how stroke adjuster works) > If so, it isn't a good point to Nak in regard of performance degradation due > to uneven stroke, if any can occurs... We arrive to important questions now > : > > -Have you ever try to listen a good cassette recording on a Nak deck with > different stroke settings ? (easy to reset thanks to a pen mark) > -What are the results in sound (around possible settings that wear can do)? > - In which notches proportion the stroke adjuster of your Dragon had been > moved to match the CR' ? > > Also you tell me this DIY gauge is useful to adjust the stroke of newly > installed heads...but with which mechanical reference ? (I guess of the > erase head?) Can you send me a drawing of this gauge at csaba at isuisse.com > please ? I just find obscure the triangle (why?) plastic ruler, about > fixation on > the shell... Thank you very much, Salim. > > About roller height, what I call a vernier have the particularity to > measurate outer & inner dimmensions of an object with the "claw" end, and > the depth of a hole, by a sliding rod (dependent of the claw motion). It is > with that rod I meet the edge of the tape guide. I wish someone will give > us > the right word for this instrument !!! > > Best regards & please forgive so numerous queries, > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > > > Hello Nakamikaze ! > > > > Finally completed my homemade stroke gage .... quite easy to build within > a > > tape shell and some triangle plastic ruler pieces. I believe I'm > extending > > my dragon's head lifespan as its pb stroke was way forward, compared to CR > > head. This tool should be useful whenever you need to change head - as > > confirmed on 482 - somehow its rec head was significantly more forward > than > > pb head, leaving insufficient contact / pressure on pb head. > > > > Also thanks to your flatness plate idea, I'm able to detect tilted rec > head > > on same dragon, which probably one of the source of tape pull problem on > > reverse side. That 5mm thick plastic / mica is as good as glass and you > > don't have to worry about pressing the plate too hard. :-) My feeling > > 'treshold' is quarter / one-third turn so I should be only a few clicks > off > > from the center. > > > > I've never tried to measure roller heights ... but how can you possibly > fit > > in a large vernier inside that area ? (yup I guess that's the word) This > > is still a problem following 'sticky shaft syndrome' .. usually I pull out > > head block and watch for a stable tape path (sawed off shell) especially > > over the erase head. > > > > Best regards, > > nakmania at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 03:12:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:12:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5E / PA5E References: <001201c1396b$ac5637e0$6b8855c3@amd> <001801c13a1f$b2f0b080$638855c3@amd> Message-ID: <043201c13a5e$d9e847e0$8d3442cf@sank1> I believe that CA-5 goes for $250-350 & PA-5 for $450-600. But we've all seen how unpredictable Nak prices have been these days, so I may be off, but I don't think by terribly much. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5E / PA5E Hello, what will be a reasonable ebay price for these units (CA5E , PA5E) ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CA5E Hello Naktalkers, Can somebody tell me if the preamp CA5E is a good second hand choice? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 11 08:26:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:26:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY Message-ID: <20010911062626.WJEV11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Matyas, Deck’s PB head was only a bit tilted but rec head was way off. I bought a headless dragon last year – capstans are badly pitted and rec head was grinded down to a very slanted shape. I put in new pb head and took off rec head from another deck, that’s the background why I wish I live somewhere close to Albuquerque, tape travel was one heck of a problem ! My tin ear can’t detect sonic differences on various plastic stroke settings, except when there’s not enough contact / pressure – which should be clearly visible from tape marks on head anyway. And if it’s positioned too forward it might possibly shorten head’s life. But most important part is “balance” between pb and rec head stroke, which can only be adjusted through those 2 little rec head mount screws and required special Nak jig per manual. However with diy stroke gage I can ‘copy’ my CR setting and get approximate proportion – and with your flatness plate I can confidently remove the stopper screws :-) and adjust the rec tilt if I didn’t mount it correctly in the first place. The reference was not erase head but average of pb/rec stroke balance from other ‘untouched’ decks. Even on beat up 482 (with flat worn head) the overall base stroke / center plastic adjuster need to be moved only one notch up / forward, so there should be no worry about wear on these plastic parts. Like Stephen said, it’s mostly of interest whenever you need to change the heads. Dragon’s correct notch mark is at 9 o’clock (need to be moved *down* two notches) but on 682 the mark is at 2 o’clock ! that’s the extreme positions I’ve found so far. The diy stroke gage looks exactly like that of Nak’s, I will make a drawing and send it to you soon. I forgot there’s a rod on the other end of vernier / caliper ... :-) Thanks for the detail. I suspect my dragon’s takeup / rightside roller guide also need to be adjusted - tape height was noticably different between forward and reverse play, almost 1 mm. Problem is that there’s no adjustment screw only round brass (?) stopper. I tried using a screwdriver to ‘open’ the gap ... and slipped ... almost hit that brand new head ! Now path is almost similar but I appreciate if you have a safer idea on adjusting that brass stopper, esp. on small increments. Best regards, Salim SM ----- > Matyas, > The head stroke, which is the measure of how far each head goes up into > the head shell, is not a function of any of the white plastic adjusters. > The play head stroke is adjusted via an adjuster for the whole head block > slider plate, meaning not the plate on which the heads are mounted, but the > larger plate that the head mounting plate is mounted upon. The adjuster is > a plastic eccentric cam-thingy(don't know what to call it) located behind > the approximate center of the cassette well back plate. The record head > stroke is much more difficult to access, and therefore very hard for the > average tinkerer to mess with. It is adjusted by loosening the two small > screws that secure the head to the head mounting(this being the part that is > moved by the height/tilt/azimuth plastic adjuster screws). These screws > being so hard to get to, it is very rare for adjustment to be needed, except > when the head is replaced or if somebody has really gone to a lot of trouble > to mess it up. > What you're calling a "vernier" is called a "caliper", or, if it has a > geared-down rotary dial, a "vernier caliper". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > Hi Salim ! > > I am happy you'd trust my method & that your flatness plate experience is > > conclusive ! Just curious: does your Dragon PB head tilt was lightly off ? > > > > To tell the truth, to me, stroke subject wasn't for the instance a > > primordial point in the rescue of a Nak, without your views. Do you mean > by > > your Dragon example, that along the years of use, the stroke that is > defined > > by the plastic adjuster can goes off ? I can just imagine a wear of the > > plastic parts affiliated to stroke adjuster...(I never have yet to > dismount > > deeply the mecha transport, so I didn't see well how stroke adjuster > works) > > If so, it isn't a good point to Nak in regard of performance degradation > due > > to uneven stroke, if any can occurs... We arrive to important questions > now > > : > > > > -Have you ever try to listen a good cassette recording on a Nak deck with > > different stroke settings ? (easy to reset thanks to a pen mark) > > -What are the results in sound (around possible settings that wear can > do)? > > - In which notches proportion the stroke adjuster of your Dragon had been > > moved to match the CR' ? > > > > Also you tell me this DIY gauge is useful to adjust the stroke of newly > > installed heads...but with which mechanical reference ? (I guess of the > > erase head?) Can you send me a drawing of this gauge at csaba at isuisse.com > > please ? I just find obscure the triangle (why?) plastic ruler, about > > fixation on > > the shell... Thank you very much, Salim. > > > > About roller height, what I call a vernier have the particularity to > > measurate outer & inner dimmensions of an object with the "claw" end, and > > the depth of a hole, by a sliding rod (dependent of the claw motion). It > is > > with that rod I meet the edge of the tape guide. I wish someone will give > > us > > the right word for this instrument !!! > > > > Best regards & please forgive so numerous queries, > > Matyas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 09:13:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:13:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <20010911062626.WJEV11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <04ee01c13a91$352d1360$8d3442cf@sank1> The models with the brass pressure-fit retainers on the pinch arm pivot axles are a bit of a bitch to do fine adjustment on. But they fortunately need adjustment far less often than the plastic screw retainer types, due to be stronger & to being less tempting for a user to mess with. The only good way I have found to do it is to put a small screwdriver to the retainer as a "driving spike" & tapping gently with a small hammer(or suitable hammering implement) to go downwards. If you need upward movement, then hold the retainer firmly between fingers with one hand, while inserting a screwdriver blade into it's slot & twisting to relieve clamping pressure, then pull out enough to be able to tap it downwards to proper position. Of course, all of this needs to be done with the head mounting plate out of the way(and heads out of harm's way!). It sounds crude, I know, but it's the best way I've come up with. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > Hi Matyas, > > Deck's PB head was only a bit tilted but rec head was way off. I bought > a headless dragon last year - capstans are badly pitted and rec head was > grinded down to a very slanted shape. I put in new pb head and took off > rec head from another deck, that's the background why I wish I live > somewhere close to Albuquerque, tape travel was one heck of a problem ! > > My tin ear can't detect sonic differences on various plastic stroke > settings, except when there's not enough contact / pressure - which should > be clearly visible from tape marks on head anyway. And if it's > positioned too forward it might possibly shorten head's life. But most important > part is "balance" between pb and rec head stroke, which can only be > adjusted through those 2 little rec head mount screws and required special Nak > jig per manual. However with diy stroke gage I can 'copy' my CR > setting and get approximate proportion - and with your flatness plate I can > confidently remove the stopper screws :-) and adjust the rec tilt if I > didn't mount it correctly in the first place. The reference was not erase head > but average of pb/rec stroke balance from other 'untouched' decks. > > Even on beat up 482 (with flat worn head) the overall base stroke / center > plastic adjuster need to be moved only one notch up / forward, so there > should be no worry about wear on these plastic parts. Like Stephen said, it's mostly of interest whenever you need to change the heads. Dragon's > correct notch mark is at 9 o'clock (need to be moved *down* two notches) > but on 682 the mark is at 2 o'clock ! that's the extreme positions I've found so far. The diy stroke gage looks exactly like that of > Nak's, I will make a drawing and send it to you soon. > > I forgot there's a rod on the other end of vernier / caliper ... :-) > Thanks for the detail. I suspect my dragon's takeup / rightside roller > guide also need to be adjusted - tape height was noticably different between > forward and reverse play, almost 1 mm. Problem is that there's no > adjustment screw only round brass (?) stopper. I tried using a screwdriver to > 'open' the gap ... and slipped ... almost hit that brand new head ! Now > path is almost similar but I appreciate if you have a safer idea on > adjusting that brass stopper, esp. on small increments. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- > > > Matyas, > > The head stroke, which is the measure of how far each head goes up > into > > the head shell, is not a function of any of the white plastic adjusters. > > The play head stroke is adjusted via an adjuster for the whole head block > > slider plate, meaning not the plate on which the heads are mounted, but > the > > larger plate that the head mounting plate is mounted upon. The adjuster > is > > a plastic eccentric cam-thingy(don't know what to call it) located behind > > the approximate center of the cassette well back plate. The record head > > stroke is much more difficult to access, and therefore very hard for the > > average tinkerer to mess with. It is adjusted by loosening the two small > > screws that secure the head to the head mounting(this being the part > that is > > moved by the height/tilt/azimuth plastic adjuster screws). These screws > > being so hard to get to, it is very rare for adjustment to be needed, > except > > when the head is replaced or if somebody has really gone to a lot of > trouble > > to mess it up. > > What you're calling a "vernier" is called a "caliper", or, if it has > a > > geared-down rotary dial, a "vernier caliper". > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > > > > Hi Salim ! > > > I am happy you'd trust my method & that your flatness plate experience > is > > > conclusive ! Just curious: does your Dragon PB head tilt was lightly > off ? > > > > > > To tell the truth, to me, stroke subject wasn't for the instance a > > > primordial point in the rescue of a Nak, without your views. Do you > mean > > by > > > your Dragon example, that along the years of use, the stroke that is > > defined > > > by the plastic adjuster can goes off ? I can just imagine a wear of the > > > plastic parts affiliated to stroke adjuster...(I never have yet to > > dismount > > > deeply the mecha transport, so I didn't see well how stroke adjuster > > works) > > > If so, it isn't a good point to Nak in regard of performance > degradation > > due > > > to uneven stroke, if any can occurs... We arrive to important questions > > now > > > : > > > > > > -Have you ever try to listen a good cassette recording on a Nak deck > with > > > different stroke settings ? (easy to reset thanks to a pen mark) > > > -What are the results in sound (around possible settings that wear can > > do)? > > > - In which notches proportion the stroke adjuster of your Dragon had > been > > > moved to match the CR' ? > > > > > > Also you tell me this DIY gauge is useful to adjust the stroke of newly > > > installed heads...but with which mechanical reference ? (I guess of the > > > erase head?) Can you send me a drawing of this gauge at > csaba at isuisse.com > > > please ? I just find obscure the triangle (why?) plastic ruler, about > > > fixation on > > > the shell... Thank you very much, Salim. > > > > > > About roller height, what I call a vernier have the particularity to > > > measurate outer & inner dimmensions of an object with the "claw" end, > and > > > the depth of a hole, by a sliding rod (dependent of the claw motion). > It > > is > > > with that rod I meet the edge of the tape guide. I wish someone will > give > > > us > > > the right word for this instrument !!! > > > > > > Best regards & please forgive so numerous queries, > > > Matyas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 11 09:50:16 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:50:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY Message-ID: <20010911075016.XSVM11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Stephen, Thank you for being polite ... :-) How could I be so stupid leaving the headblock mounted next to that industrial size screwdriver ! Ah I can already imagine listening to a properly set up Dragon this weekend. May I ask your opinion on a Nak 1000 (& II) locally for $150, is it 'worth' collecting ? IIRC the pb head is different, can I use newer 68x head on it ? Best regards & as usual thanks much ! Salim SM ---- > The models with the brass pressure-fit retainers on the pinch arm pivot > axles are a bit of a bitch to do fine adjustment on. But they fortunately > need adjustment far less often than the plastic screw retainer types, due to > be stronger & to being less tempting for a user to mess with. The only good > way I have found to do it is to put a small screwdriver to the retainer as a > "driving spike" & tapping gently with a small hammer(or suitable hammering > implement) to go downwards. If you need upward movement, then hold the > retainer firmly between fingers with one hand, while inserting a screwdriver > blade into it's slot & twisting to relieve clamping pressure, then pull out > enough to be able to tap it downwards to proper position. Of course, all of > this needs to be done with the head mounting plate out of the way(and heads > out of harm's way!). > It sounds crude, I know, but it's the best way I've come up with. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 11:10:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:10:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <20010911075016.XSVM11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <052601c13aa1$a04c86c0$8d3442cf@sank1> The 1000 & 1000II(and 700/700II) use a full width Pb head, then record head in erase head's place, and erase head in left pinch arm unit, shaped as entry tape guide, so there is no compatibility with later models at all. If any heads are shot, then you are pretty much out of luck. But the Pb head is very easy to see wear on, so just visual inspection will tell you if it's heavily worn or not(and worth $150 or not). If the "walls" of the tape path wear track are about 0.25mm or less & the surface is not noticeably wavy, then it will have little or no high frequency loss. The other heads are ferrite, so can be counted on to be perfectly good if the Pb head is not bad. Great sounding decks, when in good shape. A different flavor of excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you for being polite ... :-) How could I be so stupid leaving the > headblock mounted next to that industrial size screwdriver ! Ah I can > already imagine listening to a properly set up Dragon this weekend. > > May I ask your opinion on a Nak 1000 (& II) locally for $150, is it 'worth' > collecting ? IIRC the pb head is different, can I use newer 68x head on it > ? > > Best regards & as usual thanks much ! > Salim SM > > ---- > > > The models with the brass pressure-fit retainers on the pinch arm pivot > > axles are a bit of a bitch to do fine adjustment on. But they > fortunately > > need adjustment far less often than the plastic screw retainer types, due > to > > be stronger & to being less tempting for a user to mess with. The only > good > > way I have found to do it is to put a small screwdriver to the retainer as > a > > "driving spike" & tapping gently with a small hammer(or suitable > hammering > > implement) to go downwards. If you need upward movement, then hold the > > retainer firmly between fingers with one hand, while inserting a > screwdriver > > blade into it's slot & twisting to relieve clamping pressure, then pull > out > > enough to be able to tap it downwards to proper position. Of course, all > of > > this needs to be done with the head mounting plate out of the way(and > heads > > out of harm's way!). > > It sounds crude, I know, but it's the best way I've come up with. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 11 12:22:55 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:22:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY Message-ID: <20010911102255.DXC11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Thank you Stephen ! I'll pass on this one, can't afford a fancy 1000 doorstop in the future. That guy who bought 'my' 1000 zxl called and offered $750 for that deck ... I'll wait till his pb head worn out and return his call. Anyway the 1000 seller told me that a regular Sony head could fit in that deck. Considering the release time that Nak has not invented "super head" P-8L, could that possibly be true ? Just use a similar impedance head and it will be fine ? Best regards, Salim SM > The 1000 & 1000II(and 700/700II) use a full width Pb head, then record head > in erase head's place, and erase head in left pinch arm unit, shaped as > entry tape guide, so there is no compatibility with later models at all. If > any heads are shot, then you are pretty much out of luck. But the Pb head > is very easy to see wear on, so just visual inspection will tell you if it's > heavily worn or not(and worth $150 or not). If the "walls" of the tape path > wear track are about 0.25mm or less & the surface is not noticeably wavy, > then it will have little or no high frequency loss. The other heads are > ferrite, so can be counted on to be perfectly good if the Pb head is not > bad. Great sounding decks, when in good shape. A different flavor of > excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Thank you for being polite ... :-) How could I be so stupid leaving the > > headblock mounted next to that industrial size screwdriver ! Ah I can > > already imagine listening to a properly set up Dragon this weekend. > > > > May I ask your opinion on a Nak 1000 (& II) locally for $150, is it > 'worth' > > collecting ? IIRC the pb head is different, can I use newer 68x head on > it > > ? > > > > Best regards & as usual thanks much ! > > Salim SM > > > > ---- > > > > > The models with the brass pressure-fit retainers on the pinch arm pivot > > > axles are a bit of a bitch to do fine adjustment on. But they > > fortunately > > > need adjustment far less often than the plastic screw retainer types, > due > > to > > > be stronger & to being less tempting for a user to mess with. The only > > good > > > way I have found to do it is to put a small screwdriver to the retainer > as > > a > > > "driving spike" & tapping gently with a small hammer(or suitable > > hammering > > > implement) to go downwards. If you need upward movement, then hold the > > > retainer firmly between fingers with one hand, while inserting a > > screwdriver > > > blade into it's slot & twisting to relieve clamping pressure, then pull > > out > > > enough to be able to tap it downwards to proper position. Of course, > all > > of > > > this needs to be done with the head mounting plate out of the way(and > > heads > > > out of harm's way!). > > > It sounds crude, I know, but it's the best way I've come up with. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 11 12:25:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:25:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY Message-ID: <20010911102537.EVO11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Wait ... it's 5 morning there !!! This must be the software again. :-) SM > The 1000 & 1000II(and 700/700II) use a full width Pb head, then record head > in erase head's place, and erase head in left pinch arm unit, shaped as > entry tape guide, so there is no compatibility with later models at all. If > any heads are shot, then you are pretty much out of luck. But the Pb head ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 11 17:28:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:28:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: <000901c13ad6$71fcf4a0$58289bca@smarzuki> I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 11 17:58:25 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:58:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: Totally right, Salim. American's, Stephen, Ron, John, Sam, Stan, Jim and all of you I have not mentioned, hang in there, you're in our thoughts and we're with you in spirit. Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 09/11/01 05:28PM >>> I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Sep 11 21:19:53 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:19:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, Message-ID: All fellows Americans, Please accept my deepest condolences. It hurts all of us and all the people in a world. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 21:02:47 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:02:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <20010911102255.DXC11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <001b01c13af4$59e20360$223442cf@sank1> No, the Pb head is not in any way similar or compatible with any Sony or other non-Nak heads. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > Thank you Stephen ! I'll pass on this one, can't afford a fancy 1000 > doorstop in the future. That guy who bought 'my' 1000 zxl called and > offered $750 for that deck ... I'll wait till his pb head worn out and > return his call. > > Anyway the 1000 seller told me that a regular Sony head could fit in that > deck. Considering the release time that Nak has not invented "super head" > P-8L, could that possibly be true ? Just use a similar impedance head and > it will be fine ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > The 1000 & 1000II(and 700/700II) use a full width Pb head, then record > head > > in erase head's place, and erase head in left pinch arm unit, shaped as > > entry tape guide, so there is no compatibility with later models at all. > If > > any heads are shot, then you are pretty much out of luck. But the Pb > head > > is very easy to see wear on, so just visual inspection will tell you if > it's > > heavily worn or not(and worth $150 or not). If the "walls" of the tape > path > > wear track are about 0.25mm or less & the surface is not noticeably > wavy, > > then it will have little or no high frequency loss. The other heads are > > ferrite, so can be counted on to be perfectly good if the Pb head is not > > bad. Great sounding decks, when in good shape. A different flavor of > > excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Thank you for being polite ... :-) How could I be so stupid leaving > the > > > headblock mounted next to that industrial size screwdriver ! Ah I > can > > > already imagine listening to a properly set up Dragon this weekend. > > > > > > May I ask your opinion on a Nak 1000 (& II) locally for $150, is it > > 'worth' > > > collecting ? IIRC the pb head is different, can I use newer 68x head > on > > it > > > ? > > > > > > Best regards & as usual thanks much ! > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > The models with the brass pressure-fit retainers on the pinch arm > pivot > > > > axles are a bit of a bitch to do fine adjustment on. But they > > > fortunately > > > > need adjustment far less often than the plastic screw retainer > types, > > due > > > to > > > > be stronger & to being less tempting for a user to mess with. The > only > > > good > > > > way I have found to do it is to put a small screwdriver to the > retainer > > as > > > a > > > > "driving spike" & tapping gently with a small hammer(or suitable > > > hammering > > > > implement) to go downwards. If you need upward movement, then hold > the > > > > retainer firmly between fingers with one hand, while inserting a > > > screwdriver > > > > blade into it's slot & twisting to relieve clamping pressure, then > pull > > > out > > > > enough to be able to tap it downwards to proper position. Of > course, > > all > > > of > > > > this needs to be done with the head mounting plate out of the > way(and > > > heads > > > > out of harm's way!). > > > > It sounds crude, I know, but it's the best way I've come up with. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ==== > > === > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 11 21:12:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:12:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, References: Message-ID: <003b01c13af5$b858a420$223442cf@sank1> I'm thankfully 2000 miles away from the destruction, so I'm OK. But there are certainly a few friends I'm worried about. It is horrifying to me that anyone could be so completely insane as to do something like this. I just hope our government doesn't do anything stupid, such as declaring war on the American people, treating us all as suspected terrorists. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, > All fellows Americans, > > Please accept my deepest condolences. > It hurts all of us and all the people in a world. > > Misha > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Sep 11 21:49:18 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:49:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, References: <003b01c13af5$b858a420$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006301c13afa$d889f780$85756acf@johnrotten> We are lucky also being 4 hrs. south of NYC and 2+ hrs. east of Washington DC. An unbelievable day!!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, > I'm thankfully 2000 miles away from the destruction, so I'm OK. But there > are certainly a few friends I'm worried about. It is horrifying to me that > anyone could be so completely insane as to do something like this. I just > hope our government doesn't do anything stupid, such as declaring war on the > American people, treating us all as suspected terrorists. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mironov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, > > > > All fellows Americans, > > > > Please accept my deepest condolences. > > It hurts all of us and all the people in a world. > > > > Misha > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 11 23:20:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:20:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c13b07$8a54aee0$c9d4883e@a4s1s2> Brothers, for want of finding any adequate words to express my feelings at this time, for want of knowing how to say them or to whom .... the best I can do is to second Misha. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 11 September 2001 20:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, All fellows Americans, Please accept my deepest condolences. It hurts all of us and all the people in a world. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au Wed Sep 12 00:40:30 2001 From: Tom.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:40:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659F5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. God be with you. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 1:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 01:19:35 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:19:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659F5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3B9E9C07.4BEC87A2@earthlink.net> Authorities here is the US are 90% sure that Bin Laden, the terrorist involved in the New York and Oklahoma Trade Center bombings was involved in today's attack on American soil. The majority government of Afghanistan has harbored this terrorist for over five years and has been warned repeatedly by the US government that we will hold the government of Afghanistan responsible if Bin Laden strikes again on our soil. I repeat, Afghanistan had been warned. I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to individuals like Bin Laden. Today is truly a sad day in world history. My prayers go out to all who have been affected by this tragedy. God Bless, Jim Volpatti Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > > God be with you. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 1:29 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 12 01:57:53 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:57:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to individuals like Bin Laden. >> amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only lesson that they can learn. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 03:25:06 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:25:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY References: <20010911062626.WJEV11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <04ee01c13a91$352d1360$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Salim, Stephen, Many, many thanks for your very detailed replies !!! I'd appreciated it a lot ! >Dragon's > correct notch mark is at 9 o'clock (need to be moved *down* two notches) > but on 682 the mark is at 2 o'clock ! that's the extreme positions I've found so far. The diy stroke gage looks exactly like that of > Nak's, I will make a drawing and send it to you soon. If the main stroke adjustment is stable along the years, how to explain these differences !? ...perhaps at the factory deck construction the main head block is to be positioned first with -it seems- the stroke of this plate to match the capstans shaft spikes as it is the case of my mint 582 in play mode, then head stroke is to be performed. Like that, technicians at factory might have been regardless about this rought adjustment... On brass retainers: Before, I thought that these brass retainers had an hallen screw on their side to block the brass retainer... as you see, I never tried to play with them ! ('cause they looks pretty safe !) Will it be possible to succeed with a thermal issue ? Does will help to warm up the brass retainer with a soldering iron to move it, along with the use of a freezing spray-for the shaft or quick fix-? Whatever, I see it is not a cup of tea, nor with hammer, nor with temperature (I guess one needs a third hand there)... I can imagine the work was given to robots at factory. Remember the strange Inserflex ? Is it destined for ? ¦-) Thanks for the word "caliper" ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 02:54:10 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:54:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000/700 heads References: <20010911102255.DXC11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <001b01c13af4$59e20360$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, I guess you speak about mechanical dimensions there... The father of my famous 1000ZXL owner friend use to be a precision mechanician, he used to make some pieces for the CERN of Geneva... I will soon ask him to make me a flatness plate ;-) and why not (fancy ?), a special mount to fit a P8-L head...in 1000/700... Although the size matter, electrical parameters will be matched ? (Quite dumb question, as I own a 700 II, it will be revealent to connect the 582 PB head wires to the 700II pb amp ! but I prefer ask it instead to loose time) On 1000/700 & II sound you wrote: >A different flavor of > excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. For the instance, my 700II have just surprised me with its very good headphone section. The line driver just don't knows about punch, sounds "round" and thick, quite large imaging but lose details. . ...perhaps my 700II needs tweaks as output buffer or so... but on first sake, by far I LOVE my 582 Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > No, the Pb head is not in any way similar or compatible with any Sony or > other non-Nak heads. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 02:55:37 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:55:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, References: Message-ID: Two world wars were enough, I say. Please, receive my condolences, Peace, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 03:54:33 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:54:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marc Stager : Are you OK? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911214119.00a96580@mail.verizon.net> Thanks, Michael I was in my apartment about six miles north of the WTC when I heard a news bulletin on the radio that a plane had hit one of the towers. I Turned on the TV and caught the rest of the sickening spectacle. I'm fine, as is a friend who was downtown attending a seminar only two blocks away. She got away filthy with soot but unharmed. _______________________________ Marc Stager PS. Makes getting a computer virus so incredibly insignificant by comparison. Sorry I jumped on you, Jannis ======================================= At 9/11/01, you wrote: >Marc, > >Just a brief note from all the naktalkers in Oz hoping that you have >survived the terrible destruction in New York City. > >Let us know how you are. > >Michael S ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 04:54:03 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:54:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTC References: <003b01c13af5$b858a420$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3B9ECE4B.3BC904D@yahoo.com> Hi Guys My old buddy Eric loves to watch the Simpsons every night at 11 PM for some reason. It usually makes late for work as was the case today. He missed the bus and arrived past 9AM. Just a few minutes after the first plane hit one of the towers where he worked for the Port Authority. He saw the guys who could have been him jumping from the windows and saw both towers go down. Saved by the Simpsons? My wife was supposed to go to a training workshop for something or other but she had to cancel in order to go to a friend's funeral. The workshop was scheduled for 8:30 at the Marriot right next to the WTC. The Marriot is still on fire. Don't know what to say except thanks for the top guy upstairs. See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 04:59:03 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:59:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659F5@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010911225554.00b86740@mail.verizon.net> From AP report: "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting "God is Great" and handing out candy. Just which god were you referring to, Tom? =================================================== At 9/11/01, you wrote: >Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing >is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > >God be with you. > >Regards Tom Siomopoulos. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Sep 12 05:16:27 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:46:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, Message-ID: <003e01c13b39$50040560$42d60192@vsnl> As like any other sane person I am sorry for the destruction and my condolences to those who had to suffer yesterday. I consider every human being my friend and such acts on human beings can not be tolerated. ( India is one of the countries affected by these terrorist attacks in Kashmir and border areas with Pakistan - aided by these Pak / Afganistan' rulers) Powerful country like US and their allies should declare these countries are terrorist states and isolate them economically like they have done with Iraq. They should teach a lesson to these rulers in an appropriate way. But how can we teach maniacs? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, >Two world wars were enough, I say. > >Please, receive my condolences, >Peace, Matyas > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 05:52:06 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:52:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000901c13ad6$71fcf4a0$58289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3B9EDBE6.529DF314@yahoo.com> I'm doing fine Salim Just kinda numb. Thanks for the thought. I was looking for some pics I had shot of the WTC years ago but I can't find them. So I'll keep looking Javier Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Sep 12 05:50:49 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:50:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Terrorism!!!! Message-ID: <3B9EDB99.BC237BC7@telcel.net.ve> I have been sitting home the whole day here watching the news.... It's unbelievable what happened and I would like to join Misha and others with their words... The only thing I'd like to add is that the U.S. and other countries know who terrorist organizations are and haven't done a thing to control that...with talking sometimes you don't solve these kind of problems.... I'm so sorry to what happened and thanks my naktalk fiend and relatives are all OK. Isy Fidelman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 12 06:15:54 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:15:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000/700 heads Message-ID: <20010912041554.LNGW1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> It would be very nice to be able to 'extend' the life of a 1000 /II using P8L (or lesser quality head). I might take the plunge for <= $100. :-) Any idea of 'closest' electrical parameter to original 1000 head - i.e. pioneer / technics ? Sorry for any feeling of disgust caused by this email. :-) SM > Stephen, I guess you speak about mechanical dimensions there... > The father of my famous 1000ZXL owner friend use to be a precision > mechanician, he used to make some pieces for the CERN of Geneva... I will > soon ask him to make me a flatness plate ;-) and why not (fancy ?), a > special mount to fit a P8-L head...in 1000/700... > Although the size matter, electrical parameters will be matched ? > (Quite dumb question, as I own a 700 II, it will be revealent to connect the > 582 PB head wires to the 700II pb amp ! but I prefer ask it instead to loose > time) > > On 1000/700 & II sound you wrote: > >A different flavor of > > excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. > > For the instance, my 700II have just surprised me with its very good > headphone section. > The line driver just don't knows about punch, sounds "round" and thick, > quite large imaging but lose details. . ...perhaps my 700II needs tweaks as > output buffer or so... but on first sake, by far I LOVE my 582 > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > No, the Pb head is not in any way similar or compatible with any Sony or > > other non-Nak heads. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 12 06:54:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:54:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY Message-ID: <20010912045419.MDOL1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Matyas, I really have no idea ... maybe older heads / transport 'cage' were built with more tolerance ? There's no stroke adjustment facility on Sankyo mechanism. Nak seems to do a lot of overkill on their decks (including that interesting glue to hold down caps etc), but that may also be the reason they sound so good. I need to borrow your inserflex one of these days. Best regards, Salim SM ----- > Salim, Stephen, > Many, many thanks for your very detailed replies !!! > I'd appreciated it a lot ! > > >Dragon's > > correct notch mark is at 9 o'clock (need to be moved *down* two notches) > > but on 682 the mark is at 2 o'clock ! that's the extreme positions I've > found so far. The diy stroke gage looks exactly like that of > > Nak's, I will make a drawing and send it to you soon. > > If the main stroke adjustment is stable along the years, how to explain > these differences !? ...perhaps at the factory deck construction the > main head block is to be positioned first with -it seems- the stroke of this > plate to match the capstans shaft spikes as it is the case of my mint 582 in > play mode, then head stroke is to be performed. Like that, technicians at > factory might have been regardless about this rought adjustment... > > On brass retainers: Before, I thought that these brass retainers had an > hallen screw on their side to block the brass retainer... as you see, I > never tried to play with them ! > ('cause they looks pretty safe !) > Will it be possible to succeed with a thermal issue ? Does will help to warm > up the brass retainer with a soldering iron to move it, along with the use > of a freezing spray-for the shaft or quick fix-? Whatever, I see it is not a > cup of tea, nor with hammer, nor with temperature (I guess one needs a third > hand there)... I can imagine the work was given to robots at factory. > > Remember the strange Inserflex ? Is it destined for ? ¦-) > > Thanks for the word "caliper" ! > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Wed Sep 12 06:53:04 2001 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:53:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, Message-ID: <6C861CA6.7DA6C098.026D48C1@netscape.net> My dear American friends, I'm shocked by the events in NYC and Washington! The people who is responsible for this terrorist attack are not humans. No sane human can think of such a terrible action! Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Wed Sep 12 09:09:46 2001 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:09:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: <127.3fa073b.28d0643a@aol.com> I got up this morning at 6 to watch a little news before work. Just then I saw this horrible action unfold. Soon, I viewed two fellow fire fighters hug, covered w/ ashes. When the reporter asked the fire fighter why he does what he does...he said, 'It's my job.' I cried. Today is a sad day for humanity. It's a good feeling to hear nice words from NakTalk allies from around the world. California John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 12 10:56:13 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:56:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000/700 heads References: <20010911102255.DXC11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <001b01c13af4$59e20360$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00c901c13b68$c7bd6400$223442cf@sank1> Actually, I don't have any more clue than you about the performance compatibility between the old & newer Nak pb heads. I would do exactly as you suggest, connecting the 582 head to the 700 pb amp. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000/700 heads > Stephen, I guess you speak about mechanical dimensions there... > The father of my famous 1000ZXL owner friend use to be a precision > mechanician, he used to make some pieces for the CERN of Geneva... I will > soon ask him to make me a flatness plate ;-) and why not (fancy ?), a > special mount to fit a P8-L head...in 1000/700... > Although the size matter, electrical parameters will be matched ? > (Quite dumb question, as I own a 700 II, it will be revealent to connect the > 582 PB head wires to the 700II pb amp ! but I prefer ask it instead to loose > time) > > On 1000/700 & II sound you wrote: > >A different flavor of > > excellent vs a CR-7 or Dragon. > > For the instance, my 700II have just surprised me with its very good > headphone section. > The line driver just don't knows about punch, sounds "round" and thick, > quite large imaging but lose details. . ...perhaps my 700II needs tweaks as > output buffer or so... but on first sake, by far I LOVE my 582 > > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > > > > No, the Pb head is not in any way similar or compatible with any Sony or > > other non-Nak heads. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stroke gauge, DIY > Salim, Stephen, > Many, many thanks for your very detailed replies !!! > I'd appreciated it a lot ! > > >Dragon's > > correct notch mark is at 9 o'clock (need to be moved *down* two notches) > > but on 682 the mark is at 2 o'clock ! that's the extreme positions I've > found so far. The diy stroke gage looks exactly like that of > > Nak's, I will make a drawing and send it to you soon. > > If the main stroke adjustment is stable along the years, how to explain > these differences !? ...perhaps at the factory deck construction the > main head block is to be positioned first with -it seems- the stroke of this > plate to match the capstans shaft spikes as it is the case of my mint 582 in > play mode, then head stroke is to be performed. Like that, technicians at > factory might have been regardless about this rought adjustment... > > On brass retainers: Before, I thought that these brass retainers had an > hallen screw on their side to block the brass retainer... as you see, I > never tried to play with them ! > ('cause they looks pretty safe !) > Will it be possible to succeed with a thermal issue ? Does will help to warm > up the brass retainer with a soldering iron to move it, along with the use > of a freezing spray-for the shaft or quick fix-? Whatever, I see it is not a > cup of tea, nor with hammer, nor with temperature (I guess one needs a third > hand there)... I can imagine the work was given to robots at factory. > > Remember the strange Inserflex ? Is it destined for ? �-) > > Thanks for the word "caliper" ! > Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just which god were you referring to, Tom? =================================================== At 9/11/01, you wrote: >Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing >is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > >God be with you. > >Regards Tom Siomopoulos. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense budget. dr.bo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only lesson > that they can learn. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Sep 12 18:24:30 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:24:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - I pray all is well with all of you Message-ID: I've been offline due to yesterday's tragedy and I pray all is well with you all and that no harm has come to any of you and your families. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 19:37:40 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:37:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> Message-ID: <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. Jim Volpatti joel eidbo wrote: > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should use > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 were > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense > budget. dr.bo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > lesson > > that they can learn. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 20:01:06 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:01:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> Message-ID: And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? And insist that the cops at the airports watch the passengers rather than read newspapers and eat donuts? The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all the men older than 10 years old.... Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of joel eidbo Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:54 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should use a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 were in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense budget. dr.bo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only lesson > that they can learn. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Wed Sep 12 20:15:18 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:15:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Message-ID: <137.1770885.28d10036@aol.com> << And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? There's a very good reason for this. I always try to do carry-on, to save time waitin in both the check-in line and waiting for my bags to come off the conveyer belt later on. Saves in many cases a lot of time. And if you travel business class, you certainly have the right to your two carry-ons. The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all the men older than 10 years old.... Better be right about who we target, or the condemnations will not be only for the terrorists.... Carl >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 20:32:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:32:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: Message-ID: <3B9FAA46.D24D19@earthlink.net> We are a civilized nation. Destroying an entire nation or culture makes us worse than the terrorists. There is no need to do more than is necessary. There is no need to take innocent lives. How would we as Americans feels if we did? I know I wouldn't be proud of it. Think of the international political backlash. We often act as the world's police, tightening the grip on countries who violate human rights. Who are we to go in and take millions of innocent lives. We'd be no better than the Third Reich of World War II. We might as well have Hitler as our leader. Instead, we need to make strategic hits on the countries responsible for harboring the terrorists of this tragedy. Signs are pointing to Bin Laden and Afghanistan. If authorities decide conclusively that Bin Laden is responsible, we should unleash a ferocious attack on Afghanistan government buildings and officials. A country would think twice about offering assistance to terrorists after this, making it much easier to track down and destroy the terrorist organizations. I know that there much anger around this tragedy but we need to act responsibly, carefully and morally. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? And insist > that the cops at the airports watch the passengers rather than read > newspapers and eat donuts? > > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > joel eidbo > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:54 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should use > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 were > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense > budget. dr.bo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > lesson > > that they can learn. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Wed Sep 12 20:34:25 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:34:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: Message-ID: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> No, What we need to do in addition to tightening up here at home is:: 1.) do what we did with the KKK in THIS country: namely, infest the terrorists groups with so many intelligence operatives -- so called 'people intelligence -- that terrorists CAN'T act without us knowing ahead of time. The CIA used to be great at this, but 'lost their way' due to pressure from Congress in the 70's; 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to augment the 'people intelligence'; 3.) and use ALL our other assets -- diplomatic, trade, etc. -- and friends in an UNREMITTING ( <--- key word) effort to 'denude' such groups. To use nuclear weapons in response to the attacks we just saw on TV is completely inappropriate and even, might I say, un-American. We are NOT going to become terrorists to fight terrorism if there are any other weapons available. And there are. Christopher A. Steele La Mesa, Calif. Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? And insist > that the cops at the airports watch the passengers rather than read > newspapers and eat donuts? > > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > joel eidbo > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:54 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should use > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 were > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense > budget. dr.bo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > lesson > > that they can learn. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 12 21:11:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:11:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c13bbe$c44d2660$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Nice idea Carl but I don't think we could do it! For one thing, the country and culture from whence bin Laden springs from is not where he is currently a "guest" but from Saudi Arabia who are allies of the USA. He may hide in Afghanistan but he's a Saudi, and a rich one at that. Wouldn't do to nuke them and their oil fields ... (Come to think of it, bin Laden was an ally of the USA and UK when we were both trying to get the Russians out of Afghanistan ... how ironic. Perhaps we should have backed the Russians instead of the Taliban and bin Laden and maybe none of this would have happened.) For another, trying to annihilate a "whole damned culture"ain't something that's allowed under the International Laws that the USA supports - it's euphemistically called "ethnic cleansing" and often "genocide." That's what Slobodan Milosovich is on trial for at this moment in the Hague . That's also what we tried and hanged a whole bunch of German Nazis at Nuremberg because they sought to destroy the Jewish and Gypsy cultures in Europe. Anyway, it doesn't work ... For example, the Normans (French) tried to destroy the culture of the Anglo-Saxons in England by slaughter and banning many of our customs and language (some Anglo-Saxon words are still taboo - e.g. the "F" word and the "C" one, too), as also did try the English against the Welsh (we banned their language), the Scottish (we burnt down their homes, often with Scots in them, and starved hundreds to death during the infamous "Clearances") and the Irish (language and music banned and nearly wiped out the nation during the potato famine - we also started the Catholic versus Protestant wars in Ireland - "divide and rule" being the prevailing wisdom at the time), as we Brits also tried to beggar the cultures, religions, history and traditions of many an African nation, too. Why, we Brits even tried to throw a blanket in the emerging cultures of the New World until you threw us out - ain't you glad your ancestors did or Tony Blair might have been your Prime Minister and you could also have looked forward to the prospect of having Prince Charles as your King!!! Besides, I think you actually speak from a boiling rage in your heart: We may do well to remember the advice of the Sicilian Mafia - I paraphrase, "Revenge is a sweet dessert that is best served cold." -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 12 September 2001 19:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all the men older than 10 years old.... Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 12 21:11:44 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:11:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000201c13bbe$c2d44200$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Jim Interesting you say this. I am too young to remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki but my mother is and she was startled by how much the images she saw on the TV of devastation in Manhattan reminded her of those bombed Japanese cities. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 12 September 2001 18:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 12 21:20:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:20:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ... In-Reply-To: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> Message-ID: <000801c13bc0$03c227e0$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Chris As point of interest, it was widely reported in the UK press today that, after the attack 80% of the WWW was down .... Now, was that because millions of people went on line to find out the news instead of watch it on the TV or perhaps because 80% of internet communications go via the Pentagon? (And the other 20% - GCHQ in the UK?) I'd be tempted to bet my Nak ZX-9 (to keep this on topic!) on the latter. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Sent: 12 September 2001 19:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! N 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to augment the 'people intelligence'; ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Wed Sep 12 21:34:27 2001 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:34:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ??? for Stephen. References: <20010911062626.WJEV11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <04ee01c13a91$352d1360$8d3442cf@sank1> <00d101c13b69$16898280$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c13bc1$f10be4e0$0b36fb3e@jannis> Hi Stephen, Can you suggest cheap alternatives for Bose 301 low tone speakers and for Bose 802 (all 16 speakers are partually dead) Greetings, Jannis Soulantikas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Sep 12 22:04:08 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:04:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Terrorism In-Reply-To: <200109121847.UAA31881@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > Carl I'm sorry Carl, but were was Tim McVeigh from ??? I think that history has proven often enough that violence as an answer to violence just doesn't work ... Jews and Palestinians are fighting for over 1000 years already, and both think they're right . To me, in a human perspective, the life of an innocent Palestinian, Muslim, Chinese, Russian American or any other nationality is worth exactly as much as any other human life ... it is invaluable and any solution should be weighted against this, which imho means that war, nuclear bombs and genocides are out of the question . In the meanwhile, I can only pray for the innocent victims of this terrible act, and for their family and friends, and hope that such a thing won't never ever happen again . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Wed Sep 12 22:48:39 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:48:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ... References: <000801c13bc0$03c227e0$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3B9FCA27.C3FC785D@home.com> Graham: I, for one, tried to log on to the BBC yesterday and just gave up: no way could I log on. (The BBC, BTW -- in case anyone reading this does not already know -- provides outSTANDING news coverage: always an excellent source for info on 'what's going on.') And anyone listening to our TV news yesterday heard about how many people resorted to the internet when they couldn't find out about loved ones via phone. On the latter point: I would be willing to bet my RX-505 (to keep on topic ), my 'The Fisher,' my Rambler, my cat, and all future earnings that the Pentagon/Internet statement you make is NOT the case. It also used to be -- probably still is -- a 'known FACT' that all the guards at NSA carried machine guns: I must have worked on the wrong days, 'cause I NEVER saw a machine gun. Nor any evidence of the mines that were supposed to surround the building in Laurel, MD. Another thing we can do as citizens of a Representative Democracy is to act on 'fact.' We can't encourage our representatives in Congress to fund the proper agencies in the fight against terrorism if we don't have a realistic appreciation for what those agencies actually DO. Trivia: when I was stationed in the Republic of South Viet Nam, the intelligence agency for which I worked was collecting 3 MILLION pages of intelligence a DAY. Christopher Graham Nelson wrote: > > Chris > > As point of interest, it was widely reported in the UK press today that, > after the attack 80% of the WWW was down .... Now, was that because > millions of people went on line to find out the news instead of watch it on > the TV or perhaps because 80% of internet communications go via the > Pentagon? (And the other 20% - GCHQ in the UK?) > > I'd be tempted to bet my Nak ZX-9 (to keep this on topic!) on the latter. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Christopher > Sent: 12 September 2001 19:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > N > 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) > back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to > augment the 'people intelligence'; > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From barking at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 12 23:00:45 2001 From: barking at ntlworld.com (barking) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:00:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Terrorism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First my feelings of utter disgust and numbness at what has happened - then feelings of revenge (and I'm not american), now I fear so for the innocent who will die in the name of democracy and freedom, many of whom are victims already. The USA may feel the need to take revenge and regain its sense of power, but at what cost? I just hope that a UN resolution is passed which points the finger at the eradication of terrorism NOT anybody who has a different belief structure or political viewpoint, before all out war. There must be worldwide action taken to bring the murderers to justice - and a resolution to act against anyone who would harbour such people, but true freedom is not a western ideal, its a rejoicing of our differences. This is an opportunity to bring all nations together - most of the world is outraged at this and the emotional impact of what has occured could be used as a weapon of peace. Don't let a retaliation be fueled by sense of revenge, I am certain that the perpetrators of this crime felt equally justified by there actions, however inhuman . Lead by example, show strength and mercy and one day we may be left with a planet worth leaving to our children. I found this hard to write, my anger hard to control, but thats what make us different from these animals. I wish you all well, black or white, christian, muslim or jew, we all sleep under the same stars. J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 12 September 2001 21:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Terrorism > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > Carl I'm sorry Carl, but were was Tim McVeigh from ??? I think that history has proven often enough that violence as an answer to violence just doesn't work ... Jews and Palestinians are fighting for over 1000 years already, and both think they're right . To me, in a human perspective, the life of an innocent Palestinian, Muslim, Chinese, Russian American or any other nationality is worth exactly as much as any other human life ... it is invaluable and any solution should be weighted against this, which imho means that war, nuclear bombs and genocides are out of the question . In the meanwhile, I can only pray for the innocent victims of this terrible act, and for their family and friends, and hope that such a thing won't never ever happen again . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Wed Sep 12 23:04:48 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:04:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008e01c13bce$8fd83ea0$ba65a93f@0021976299> I think we have a very good idea of where he is hiding. The loss of innocent lives would be far less than what we experienced yesterday. I don't think they will use a nuke. But I would support our government if they did. dr.bo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the > loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I > don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack > is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should use > > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 were > > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the defense > > budget. dr.bo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > > lesson > > > that they can learn. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 22:56:18 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:56:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, References: <003e01c13b39$50040560$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Kannan, I share your thought on human beings, btw, do you think that isolate economically a nation is a good idea, when it is terrorists that had sin ? A WHOLE nation of human beings will starve, and die...when the leans dies, guess who is surviving ?!!!! What had been done in Iraq is surely the reason for that attack. I think American government should think twice about the ruler, History had learnt us what a martyr is. Moreover, I will be pleased to learn in a next future that US had commanded an high-end underground investigation mission to do something right... and that without massive attack of course... For this, one have to keep his head cooled. Take lessons on the past, it was VERY sufficiently heavy of atrocities. And as you said, to teach maniacs is quite a non-sense. Rather deceived to see one-way-thinking Naktalkers messages. But I fully understand the extreme emotion you Americans guys are into. How to surgery a single maniac men, in psychotherapy ? How to surgery a whole maniac army ? By the same method, perhaps. A maniac is going sane in his saturation state, by nausea. Fine to see there is maniacs in both camps. Science had killed god, and it's fine. But science kills nature... Keep true, regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, > As like any other sane person I am sorry for the destruction and my > condolences to those who had to suffer yesterday. I consider every human > being my friend and such acts on human beings can not be tolerated. > ( India is one of the countries affected by these terrorist attacks in > Kashmir and border areas with Pakistan - aided by these Pak / Afganistan' > rulers) > Powerful country like US and their allies should declare these countries are > terrorist states and isolate them economically like they have done with > Iraq. They should teach a lesson to these rulers in an appropriate way. But > how can we teach maniacs? > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Sep 12 23:34:31 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:34:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> <008e01c13bce$8fd83ea0$ba65a93f@0021976299> Message-ID: <3B9FD4E7.B2B44A79@earthlink.net> Bin Laden moves every three days or so, by cover of the night. We have no way of knowing his destination ahead of time. I'd bet all that is important to me that the US will not use nuclear weapons. I'd also bet that the option isn't even being discussed. It is completely unnecessary. Jim Volpatti joel eidbo wrote: > > I think we have a very good idea of where he is hiding. The loss of > innocent lives would be far less than what we experienced yesterday. I > don't think they will use a nuke. But I would support our government if > they did. dr.bo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the > > loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I > > don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack > > is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should > use > > > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 > were > > > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > > > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > > > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the > defense > > > budget. dr.bo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter > to > > > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > > > lesson > > > > that they can learn. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Wed Sep 12 23:45:23 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:45:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> <008e01c13bce$8fd83ea0$ba65a93f@0021976299> <3B9FD4E7.B2B44A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000d01c13bd4$3b302100$ba65a93f@0021976299> No option should be ruled out. dr.bo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > Bin Laden moves every three days or so, by cover of the night. We have > no way of knowing his destination ahead of time. > > I'd bet all that is important to me that the US will not use nuclear > weapons. I'd also bet that the option isn't even being discussed. It is > completely unnecessary. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > I think we have a very good idea of where he is hiding. The loss of > > innocent lives would be far less than what we experienced yesterday. I > > don't think they will use a nuke. But I would support our government if > > they did. dr.bo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the > > > loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I > > > don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack > > > is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > > > > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should > > use > > > > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 > > were > > > > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > > > > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > > > > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the > > defense > > > > budget. dr.bo > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > > > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > > > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter > > to > > > > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > > > > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > > > > lesson > > > > > that they can learn. > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 13 01:15:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:15:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ... In-Reply-To: <3B9FCA27.C3FC785D@home.com> Message-ID: <000001c13be0$e02f64c0$3937883e@a4s1s2> Hi Chris Call me a cynic or a conspiracy theorist but .... I work for a small bank that allows external e-mail through a tight firewall where I find very impressive use of "sniffer software." At anyone time, we have 1 million e-mails in the system, all of which are scanned by sniffer software looking for key words. If they find the key words the e-mails are "quarantined" until they can be read and vetted by our computer security people, of which there are about two. That's just for a bank employing around 3k people. From what I understand, the software cost us less than £2k to buy off-the-shelf. Therefore, it would never surprise me if the richest nation in the world, that invented the World Wide Web, had put millions of $s into building a system that used even more powerful bespoke sniffer software to monitor billions of World-wide e-mails passing through its WWW gateways. The idea is not improbable. All that is to be questioned is if a) does the technology exists yet to do it and b) are there were sufficient human resources to clear, sort and prioritise the information thus gathered. I also once worked (for a short period) for a government agency involved in gathering intelligence, in an unpaid (expenses only) capacity, in my own time, "for the love of my Country" kind of thing, because I was almost uniquely positioned to get information they needed at that time. What spooked me more than anything was in finding that the "good guys" play by the "good guy rule book" only when it's convenient to do so and when it suits them. Otherwise, they are prepared to play just as dirty, if not more, than the people they work against. That's why I only worked with 'em for a short while! They scared the sh## out of me more than the "enemy"! The thrills of working undercover are tempered by the real risks of being exposed by your own side (because it suits their purpose ... and everyone is expendable eventually ... ) and getting your head kicked in (if you're lucky) by the enemy as a consequence. Listening to my "new" Nak is much the more preferable, not to mention more healthy! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 13 01:42:30 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:42:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <000301c13bbe$c44d2660$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, I love it and appreciate your knowledge of the history of the Isles. We'll see what happens. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Nice idea Carl but I don't think we could do it! For one thing, the country and culture from whence bin Laden springs from is not where he is currently a "guest" but from Saudi Arabia who are allies of the USA. He may hide in Afghanistan but he's a Saudi, and a rich one at that. Wouldn't do to nuke them and their oil fields ... (Come to think of it, bin Laden was an ally of the USA and UK when we were both trying to get the Russians out of Afghanistan ... how ironic. Perhaps we should have backed the Russians instead of the Taliban and bin Laden and maybe none of this would have happened.) For another, trying to annihilate a "whole damned culture"ain't something that's allowed under the International Laws that the USA supports - it's euphemistically called "ethnic cleansing" and often "genocide." That's what Slobodan Milosovich is on trial for at this moment in the Hague . That's also what we tried and hanged a whole bunch of German Nazis at Nuremberg because they sought to destroy the Jewish and Gypsy cultures in Europe. Anyway, it doesn't work ... For example, the Normans (French) tried to destroy the culture of the Anglo-Saxons in England by slaughter and banning many of our customs and language (some Anglo-Saxon words are still taboo - e.g. the "F" word and the "C" one, too), as also did try the English against the Welsh (we banned their language), the Scottish (we burnt down their homes, often with Scots in them, and starved hundreds to death during the infamous "Clearances") and the Irish (language and music banned and nearly wiped out the nation during the potato famine - we also started the Catholic versus Protestant wars in Ireland - "divide and rule" being the prevailing wisdom at the time), as we Brits also tried to beggar the cultures, religions, history and traditions of many an African nation, too. Why, we Brits even tried to throw a blanket in the emerging cultures of the New World until you threw us out - ain't you glad your ancestors did or Tony Blair might have been your Prime Minister and you could also have looked forward to the prospect of having Prince Charles as your King!!! Besides, I think you actually speak from a boiling rage in your heart: We may do well to remember the advice of the Sicilian Mafia - I paraphrase, "Revenge is a sweet dessert that is best served cold." -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 12 September 2001 19:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all the men older than 10 years old.... Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 13 01:42:38 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:42:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <137.1770885.28d10036@aol.com> Message-ID: I have traveled extensively in my capacity in corporate management and used carryon luggage exclusively for years. What's your point? I love to drink coffee and drive down the road; I still would be supportive of sanctions against eating/driving/reading while driving (pay attention and drive!). I used to ride my motorcycle once in a while without a helmet on a hot day but was supportive of helmet legislation. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ChefBum at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! << And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? There's a very good reason for this. I always try to do carry-on, to save time waitin in both the check-in line and waiting for my bags to come off the conveyer belt later on. Saves in many cases a lot of time. And if you travel business class, you certainly have the right to your two carry-ons. The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all the men older than 10 years old.... Better be right about who we target, or the condemnations will not be only for the terrorists.... Carl >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Thu Sep 13 02:44:21 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:44:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ... References: <000001c13be0$e02f64c0$3937883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BA00165.E7885A93@home.com> Graham: As interesting as this is to us, this must really be BORING to everybody else, so you can have the last word in response to this, my last on this subject. (It's been interesting to ME, however ). Re: your points below. a.) the technology almost certainly does exist. b.) the time necessary for human beings to collate and analyze whatever data the computers cull is the key, of course, and such product is AWfully difficult and time consuming to assess. In fact, it is an "art" as much as a "skill." (Consider how many E-mails containing the words 'nuclear weapon' NSA would have had to have assessed in the last day, including those from this ng.) In conclusion: I would STILL place a bet on the original point you made several posts ago. Especially now. I don't know how aware you are of the present state of NSA, but THE computer people have had a LOT of trouble lately just keeping their systems on line, having had several system-wide crashes in the last few years. If we stay aware -- as we should with ANY intelligence agency -- NSA can be of MUCH more use to our retaining our freedom that it would be a threat to that freedom. Christopher (nice talk'n to ya, Graham) Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hi Chris > > Call me a cynic or a conspiracy theorist but .... > > I work for a small bank that allows external e-mail through a tight firewall > where I find very impressive use of "sniffer software." At anyone time, we > have 1 million e-mails in the system, all of which are scanned by sniffer > software looking for key words. If they find the key words the e-mails are > "quarantined" until they can be read and vetted by our computer security > people, of which there are about two. That's just for a bank employing > around 3k people. From what I understand, the software cost us less than > £2k to buy off-the-shelf. Therefore, it would never surprise me if the > richest nation in the world, that invented the World Wide Web, had put > millions of $s into building a system that used even more powerful bespoke > sniffer software to monitor billions of World-wide e-mails passing through > its WWW gateways. The idea is not improbable. All that is to be > questioned is if a) does the technology exists yet to do it and b) are there > were sufficient human resources to clear, sort and prioritise the > information thus gathered. > > I also once worked (for a short period) for a government agency involved in > gathering intelligence, in an unpaid (expenses only) capacity, in my own > time, "for the love of my Country" kind of thing, because I was almost > uniquely positioned to get information they needed at that time. What > spooked me more than anything was in finding that the "good guys" play by > the "good guy rule book" only when it's convenient to do so and when it > suits them. Otherwise, they are prepared to play just as dirty, if not > more, than the people they work against. That's why I only worked with 'em > for a short while! They scared the sh## out of me more than the "enemy"! > The thrills of working undercover are tempered by the real risks of being > exposed by your own side (because it suits their purpose ... and everyone is > expendable eventually ... ) and getting your head kicked in (if you're > lucky) by the enemy as a consequence. Listening to my "new" Nak is much the > more preferable, not to mention more healthy! > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Sep 13 05:22:24 2001 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:22:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Terrorism - Irak Message-ID: <3BA02670.AC388928@telcel.net.ve> Official Iraqi television broadcast the following commentary, with the exploding World Trade Center in the background: " The American cowboy is reaping the fruits of his crimes against humanity... America [is] tasting the bitter defeat of its crimes and disregard for peoples' will to lead a free, decent life. The massive explosions in the centers of power in America, notably the Pentagon, is a painful slap in the face of US politicians to stop their illegitimate hegemony and attempts to impose custodianship on peoples... The collapse of US centers of power is a collapse of the US policy, which deviates from human values and stands by world Zionism at all international forums to continue to slaughter the Palestinian Arab people and implement US plans to dominate the world under the cover of what is called the new [world] order." The world knows that besides Iraq there are other countries that have connections and give money and means to terrorist groups....Syria, Iran, Libya, Afganisthan, Palestinians .... so I guess the world should work on that.... Remember all these countries were in Iraq's side during the Gulf War..... Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 13 07:21:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:21:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ??? for Stephen. References: <20010911062626.WJEV11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> <04ee01c13a91$352d1360$8d3442cf@sank1> <00d101c13b69$16898280$223442cf@sank1> <001301c13bc1$f10be4e0$0b36fb3e@jannis> Message-ID: <01c401c13c13$ea4944c0$223442cf@sank1> On the 301's, just about any driver that will fit should be fine & even be an improvement. However, on the 802's, you have a problem, as the drivers have one ohm voicecoils(all connected in series for 8 ohms), which are custom-made cheap crap. So, you're pretty much stuck with buying those $2 drivers from Bose for something like $45 each. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] ??? for Stephen. > Hi Stephen, > > Can you suggest cheap alternatives for Bose 301 low tone speakers > and for Bose 802 (all 16 speakers are partually dead) > > Greetings, > > Jannis Soulantikas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 13 10:15:10 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:15:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ...Apology In-Reply-To: <3BA00165.E7885A93@home.com> Message-ID: <002701c13c2c$3485dc20$5ac4893e@a4s1s2> You're right Chris .... my apologies, guys, for drifting so waaaaaaayyyyy off topic! I concur with your last para' re: NSA, by the way, Chris. Just so long as the good guys remain being good guys! ;o) - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Sep 13 12:12:37 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:42:37 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, Message-ID: <003801c13c3c$9e912060$42d60192@vsnl> Matyas sometimes anger is difficult to control when terrorism strikes like what happend at New York. Democracy believes that people are cultured and think rationally. But these countries & their people believe only in something called holy war ( their religious belief) and nothing else.They think that their rulers are representatives of their god rather than democracy which states that the ruler is their servant. Economic sanctions have the lowest level of severity unlike direct war. But in Iraq the ruler is so brutal that he wants their people to starve to redirect their angers on other countries. He uses what ever is allowed only for his army not for the people. I also feel sad for the innocent people in those countries who are not directly responsible for their ruler' acts. this is one reason why I said " how to teach a lesson these maniacs?" in desperation Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] All fellow Americans, >Kannan, I share your thought on human beings, btw, do you think that isolate >economically a nation is a good idea, when it is terrorists that had sin ? A >WHOLE nation of human beings will starve, >and die...when the leans dies, guess who is surviving ?!!!! >What had been done in Iraq is surely the reason for that attack. >I think American government should think twice about the ruler, History had >learnt us what a martyr is. Moreover, I will be pleased to learn in a next >future that US had commanded an high-end underground investigation mission >to do something right... and that without massive attack of course... For >this, one have to keep his head cooled. >Take lessons on the past, it was VERY sufficiently heavy of atrocities. And >as you said, to teach maniacs is quite a non-sense. > >Rather deceived to see one-way-thinking Naktalkers messages. But I >fully understand the extreme emotion you Americans guys are into. > >How to surgery a single maniac men, in psychotherapy ? >How to surgery a whole maniac army ? >By the same method, perhaps. >A maniac is going sane in his saturation state, by nausea. >Fine to see there is maniacs in both camps. > >Science had killed god, and it's fine. >But science kills nature... > >Keep true, regards, Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Sep 13 13:47:46 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:47:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off topic: Big Brother has a job to do Message-ID: Interesting point about big brother.......If that's the case, slightly less need for global positioning chips to be sown into the base of our necks. George Orwell must be spinning in his grave given the capacity of technology to track people by their actions(credit card use, internet mail, cell phones) but it certainly appears that outlandishly vile criminal acts by anonymous perpetrators demand strenuous efforts by societies protectors, whoever they are. Anyone who uses the net for practically any purpose, pretty well accepts that it is a violable, traceable, non-secure communication. They merely bet on reasonable odds, that the sheer volume of transactions, mainly harmless written ones, will, on the balance of probabilities, render their transaction safe. Like you, Graham and Christopher, I have attempted to use the www in the last 48 hours, but it's a dead duck. So guys, get off the net, and start Nakkin'......... Marc >>> csteele at Home.com 09/12/01 10:48PM >>> Graham: I, for one, tried to log on to the BBC yesterday and just gave up: no way could I log on. (The BBC, BTW -- in case anyone reading this does not already know -- provides outSTANDING news coverage: always an excellent source for info on 'what's going on.') And anyone listening to our TV news yesterday heard about how many people resorted to the internet when they couldn't find out about loved ones via phone. On the latter point: I would be willing to bet my RX-505 (to keep on topic ), my 'The Fisher,' my Rambler, my cat, and all future earnings that the Pentagon/Internet statement you make is NOT the case. It also used to be -- probably still is -- a 'known FACT' that all the guards at NSA carried machine guns: I must have worked on the wrong days, 'cause I NEVER saw a machine gun. Nor any evidence of the mines that were supposed to surround the building in Laurel, MD. Another thing we can do as citizens of a Representative Democracy is to act on 'fact.' We can't encourage our representatives in Congress to fund the proper agencies in the fight against terrorism if we don't have a realistic appreciation for what those agencies actually DO. Trivia: when I was stationed in the Republic of South Viet Nam, the intelligence agency for which I worked was collecting 3 MILLION pages of intelligence a DAY. Christopher Graham Nelson wrote: > > Chris > > As point of interest, it was widely reported in the UK press today that, > after the attack 80% of the WWW was down .... Now, was that because > millions of people went on line to find out the news instead of watch it on > the TV or perhaps because 80% of internet communications go via the > Pentagon? (And the other 20% - GCHQ in the UK?) > > I'd be tempted to bet my Nak ZX-9 (to keep this on topic!) on the latter. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Christopher > Sent: 12 September 2001 19:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > N > 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) > back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to > augment the 'people intelligence'; > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 13 17:37:39 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:37:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D013659F5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3B9E9C07.4BEC87A2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BA0D2C3.AE2B4444@yahoo.com> Just one problem with that idea There's nothing worth bombing in Afganistan. The place has already been gutted by 20 years of continous war. They probably wouldn't even feel it. Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Authorities here is the US are 90% sure that Bin Laden, the terrorist > involved in the New York and Oklahoma Trade Center bombings was involved > in today's attack on American soil. The majority government of > Afghanistan has harbored this terrorist for over five years and has been > warned repeatedly by the US government that we will hold the government > of Afghanistan responsible if Bin Laden strikes again on our soil. I > repeat, Afghanistan had been warned. > > I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > individuals like Bin Laden. > > Today is truly a sad day in world history. My prayers go out to all who > have been affected by this tragedy. > > God Bless, > > Jim Volpatti > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > > > > God be with you. > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 1:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 13 18:08:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:08:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> Message-ID: <001c01c13c6e$51eadc60$bc1a9bca@smarzuki> Christopher, as an "insider", could you please correct me: I heard that the standard ops procedure for such possible hijack for USAF is that once an airplane is off its track, then, after a repeated number of warnings, it *will* be shot down ? (before it gets to a city / populous area). If that's true, approx 45 mins from hijack point to get back to WTC / NYC and another 18 mins for the second plane to hit 2nd tower .... there should've been plenty of time for the fighters to intercept, right ? At least the air force could prevent the second hit. Unless nobody watched the sky above US' most densely populated city. Interesting. Not trying to imply anything but this could possibly be one of the biggest scandal in the US, what do you think ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > No, What we need to do in addition to tightening up here at home > is:: > > 1.) do what we did with the KKK in THIS country: namely, infest > the terrorists groups with so many intelligence operatives -- so > called 'people intelligence -- that terrorists CAN'T act without > us knowing ahead of time. The CIA used to be great at this, but > 'lost their way' due to pressure from Congress in the 70's; > > 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) > back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to > augment the 'people intelligence'; > > 3.) and use ALL our other assets -- diplomatic, trade, etc. -- > and friends in an UNREMITTING ( <--- key word) effort to 'denude' > such groups. > > To use nuclear weapons in response to the attacks we just saw on > TV is completely inappropriate and even, might I say, > un-American. We are NOT going to become terrorists to fight > terrorism if there are any other weapons available. And there > are. > > Christopher A. Steele > La Mesa, Calif. > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? And insist > > that the cops at the airports watch the passengers rather than read > > newspapers and eat donuts? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Thu Sep 13 18:49:33 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> <001c01c13c6e$51eadc60$bc1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BA0E39D.9650C6D@home.com> Salim: Pardon me. I didn't intend to convey that I was an 'insider' in anything other than my ex-attachment to NSA/ASA. But the procedure you describe seems like it wouldn't be true simply based on its own lack of internal logic: unless the intent of the highjackers was known (i.e., that it WAS going to intentionally crash into something like the capital or some other major structure), I don't see the USAF attacking a passenger-filled airliner, especially since most airports -- where the highjackers might land and negotiate for whatever as has been done in the past -- are near or IN major cities or populated areas. One of the better suggestions I've heard so far as a partial solution to a re-occurrence of what happened Tuesday are "highjacker proof" crew cabins (like El Al uses?) combined with Sky Marshalls. Christopher Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Christopher, as an "insider", could you please correct me: I heard that the > standard ops procedure for such possible hijack for USAF is that once an > airplane is off its track, then, after a repeated number of warnings, it > *will* be shot down ? (before it gets to a city / populous area). > > If that's true, approx 45 mins from hijack point to get back to WTC / NYC > and another 18 mins for the second plane to hit 2nd tower .... there > should've been plenty of time for the fighters to intercept, right ? At > least the air force could prevent the second hit. Unless nobody watched the > sky above US' most densely populated city. Interesting. > > Not trying to imply anything but this could possibly be one of the biggest > scandal in the US, what do you think ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > No, What we need to do in addition to tightening up here at home > > is:: > > > > 1.) do what we did with the KKK in THIS country: namely, infest > > the terrorists groups with so many intelligence operatives -- so > > called 'people intelligence -- that terrorists CAN'T act without > > us knowing ahead of time. The CIA used to be great at this, but > > 'lost their way' due to pressure from Congress in the 70's; > > > > 2.) bring the National Security Agency (an alma mater of mine) > > back up to snuff so we have excellent electronic intelligence to > > augment the 'people intelligence'; > > > > 3.) and use ALL our other assets -- diplomatic, trade, etc. -- > > and friends in an UNREMITTING ( <--- key word) effort to 'denude' > > such groups. > > > > To use nuclear weapons in response to the attacks we just saw on > > TV is completely inappropriate and even, might I say, > > un-American. We are NOT going to become terrorists to fight > > terrorism if there are any other weapons available. And there > > are. > > > > Christopher A. Steele > > La Mesa, Calif. > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > And maybe people will stop insisting on carrying on luggage? And insist > > > that the cops at the airports watch the passengers rather than read > > > newspapers and eat donuts? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 13 19:51:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:51:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> <001c01c13c6e$51eadc60$bc1a9bca@smarzuki> <3BA0E39D.9650C6D@home.com> Message-ID: <000401c13c7c$f81ac600$8a1a9bca@smarzuki> Chris, First of all, please don't get me wrong as I'm not suggesting anything, or worse, defending any middle east terrorist (despite my name :-(, it's only that some things on that terrible event doesn't 'click' on my mind. Why wasn't there any warning from 'skywatchers' (some phonecalls did occur from that plane ?) or even attempt to find out if first plane was hijacked ? Am I watching too many Clancy movies or is 45 mins really too long for such inquiry actions ? Especially the second plane 15-18mins later took enough time for a BBC 'breaking news' to report the first hit. With such advanced technology the military have over there it makes more sense to enact full alert over NY sky in shorter time. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > Salim: > > Pardon me. I didn't intend to convey that I was an 'insider' in > anything other than my ex-attachment to NSA/ASA. > But the procedure you describe seems like it wouldn't be true > simply based on its own lack of internal logic: unless the intent > of the highjackers was known (i.e., that it WAS going to > intentionally crash into something like the capital or some other > major structure), I don't see the USAF attacking a > passenger-filled airliner, especially since most airports -- > where the highjackers might land and negotiate for whatever as > has been done in the past -- are near or IN major cities or > populated areas. > One of the better suggestions I've heard so far as a partial > solution to a re-occurrence of what happened Tuesday are > "highjacker proof" crew cabins (like El Al uses?) combined with > Sky Marshalls. > > Christopher > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Mark Hugo wrote: > > Interesting point about big brother.......If that's the case, slightly less need for global positioning chips to be sown into the base of our necks. > > George Orwell must be spinning in his grave given the capacity of technology to track people by their actions(credit card use, internet mail, cell phones) but it certainly appears that outlandishly vile criminal acts by anonymous perpetrators demand strenuous efforts by societies protectors, whoever they are. > > Anyone who uses the net for practically any purpose, pretty well accepts that it is a violable, traceable, non-secure communication. They merely bet on reasonable odds, that the sheer volume of transactions, mainly harmless written ones, will, on the balance of probabilities, render their transaction safe. > > Like you, Graham and Christopher, I have attempted to use the www in the last 48 hours, but it's a dead duck. > > So guys, get off the net, and start Nakkin'......... > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Sep 13 20:57:49 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:57:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Who watches the watchers ... References: <000801c13bc0$03c227e0$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hi Graham, At the time of attack I've been at the office and can tell you that I was trying to get any possible info and the rest of the people as well. I even get the first info about attack from one person from USA that I was talking with. Many of the Internet News sites was connected somehow with WTC, as an example - CNN. They started new site some time after attack. And off course many srvices was using Internet for their purposes - we all should remember how whole Internet starts (ARPANET). So my guess is that you right in both cases. Misha PS: The world became smaller two days ago :-( >As point of interest, it was widely reported in the UK press today that, >after the attack 80% of the WWW was down .... Now, was that because >millions of people went on line to find out the news instead of watch it on >the TV or perhaps because 80% of internet communications go via the >Pentagon? (And the other 20% - GCHQ in the UK?) > >I'd be tempted to bet my Nak ZX-9 (to keep this on topic!) on the latter. > >Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 22:23:45 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:23:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink Message-ID: Hi, my ReVox B-150 amplifier have silvery heat sinks. The drivers and power transistors are screwed to a metal bar (aluminium it seems) on which is screwed the heat sink. I want to tweak it, by replacing the transistors mounting bar by a copper made one. (I suppose copper being much better in heat conduction). In addition, I want also to black anodise the heat sinks, As I know black metal surface dissipate much well the heat than bright ones, can it be a good idea to black anodise my ReVox sinks ? In a sonic purity sake -more instant details, better uniform sonic behaviour in hours of use, (unlikely : tonal balance..why not...) ?- Any comments? Thanks, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 13 22:50:55 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:50:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony DAT In-Reply-To: <3BA00165.E7885A93@home.com> Message-ID: <000f01c13c95$c8a5fe80$fc61063e@a4s1s2> Guys Apologies for those whose sensibilities will be offended by two words: "DAT" and "Sony"!!! However, some of you were/are interested in DATs and here is one, with SBM, that has just 21 hours left on the clock and is presently going for a stupid $22.50!! I'd bid myself only the seller is evidently not interested in shipping to the UK. SONY PCM-R300 DIGITAL AUDIO RECORDER W/REM Item # 1463494471 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1463494471 All things being equal, this is a steal! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at Home.com Fri Sep 14 00:21:43 2001 From: csteele at Home.com (Christopher) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:21:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <3B9FAAB1.637CB757@home.com> <001c01c13c6e$51eadc60$bc1a9bca@smarzuki> <3BA0E39D.9650C6D@home.com> <000401c13c7c$f81ac600$8a1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BA13177.A4C6FF1B@home.com> Salim: I haven't heard any detailed info on what steps the FAA took/didn't take to find out what was happening with the airliners after they diverted from their courses, remember, we are looking at all this from hindsight. We simply didn't expect something like this to happen [our MISTAKE], and so acted accordingly. Even if there had been a 'full alert' after the first plane hit the towers, 18 minutes is NOT a lot of time within which to do anything about the second plane (launch interceptors, get them over the city ... and then what do you do?). My experience with 'systems' -- especially government systems -- is that they operate a LOT less efficiently and effectively than people think they do. From what I heard on the BBC, even after the second tower was hit and people had begun to leave the building, there were STILL announcements over the building PA to "stay where you are," CLEARLY a mistake, and an avoidable one. As I am typing this I am listening to a story about two guys in the Pentagon who are watching the SECOND plane hit on TV in N.Y., and the Pentagon STILL wasn't on alert! It looks like there may have been enough time in these events to begin evacuation of buildings (assuming the right people made the right decisions at just the right moment) but not enough time to actually DO anything about the planes crashing into just about anything they wanted to crash into. Christopher Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Chris, > > First of all, please don't get me wrong as I'm not suggesting anything, or > worse, defending any middle east terrorist (despite my name :-(, it's only > that some things on that terrible event doesn't 'click' on my mind. Why > wasn't there any warning from 'skywatchers' (some phonecalls did occur from > that plane ?) or even attempt to find out if first plane was hijacked ? Am > I watching too many Clancy movies or is 45 mins really too long for such > inquiry actions ? Especially the second plane 15-18mins later took enough > time for a BBC 'breaking news' to report the first hit. With such advanced > technology the military have over there it makes more sense to enact full > alert over NY sky in shorter time. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > Salim: > > > > Pardon me. I didn't intend to convey that I was an 'insider' in > > anything other than my ex-attachment to NSA/ASA. > > But the procedure you describe seems like it wouldn't be true > > simply based on its own lack of internal logic: unless the intent > > of the highjackers was known (i.e., that it WAS going to > > intentionally crash into something like the capital or some other > > major structure), I don't see the USAF attacking a > > passenger-filled airliner, especially since most airports -- > > where the highjackers might land and negotiate for whatever as > > has been done in the past -- are near or IN major cities or > > populated areas. > > One of the better suggestions I've heard so far as a partial > > solution to a re-occurrence of what happened Tuesday are > > "highjacker proof" crew cabins (like El Al uses?) combined with > > Sky Marshalls. > > > > Christopher > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 14 00:14:12 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:14:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! In-Reply-To: <3BA0D2C3.AE2B4444@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Javier has a point; the Russians bombed the crap out of the place for years. Kind of hard to bomb that place; check out the mountains there. You have to go in and hunt down people one at a time and they know the place a lot better than anyone else. The British went there once.....they did not fare well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:38 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Just one problem with that idea There's nothing worth bombing in Afganistan. The place has already been gutted by 20 years of continous war. They probably wouldn't even feel it. Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Authorities here is the US are 90% sure that Bin Laden, the terrorist > involved in the New York and Oklahoma Trade Center bombings was involved > in today's attack on American soil. The majority government of > Afghanistan has harbored this terrorist for over five years and has been > warned repeatedly by the US government that we will hold the government > of Afghanistan responsible if Bin Laden strikes again on our soil. I > repeat, Afghanistan had been warned. > > I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > individuals like Bin Laden. > > Today is truly a sad day in world history. My prayers go out to all who > have been affected by this tragedy. > > God Bless, > > Jim Volpatti > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane thing is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > > > > God be with you. > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 1:29 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Sony DAT > Guys > > Apologies for those whose sensibilities will be offended by two words: > "DAT" and "Sony"!!! However, some of you were/are interested in DATs and > here is one, with SBM, that has just 21 hours left on the clock and is > presently going for a stupid $22.50!! I'd bid myself only the seller is > evidently not interested in shipping to the UK. > > SONY PCM-R300 DIGITAL AUDIO RECORDER W/REM > Item # 1463494471 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1463494471 > > All things being equal, this is a steal! > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 14 05:31:21 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:31:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink References: Message-ID: <00a101c13ccd$b9fe5660$133442cf@sank1> If I remember high school physics correctly, I believe that aluminum conducts heat faster than copper. Anodising may give better heat dissipation by a bit, but I seriously doubt it will have any effect on the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink > Hi, my ReVox B-150 amplifier have silvery heat sinks. The > drivers and power transistors are screwed to a metal bar (aluminium it > seems) on which is screwed the heat sink. > > I want to tweak it, by replacing the transistors mounting bar by a copper > made one. (I suppose copper being much better in heat conduction). > > In addition, I want also to black anodise the heat sinks, As I know black > metal surface dissipate much well the heat than bright ones, can it be a > good idea to black anodise my ReVox sinks ? In a sonic purity sake > -more instant details, better uniform sonic behaviour in hours of use, > (unlikely : tonal balance..why not...) ?- > > Any comments? > Thanks, > Matyas > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 14 05:37:08 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:07:08 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink Message-ID: <002e01c13cce$887e6980$42d60192@vsnl> The heat from the transistor junction has to pass through different layers of resistance like juncion/ heat sink tab/ insulation - mica plate or later synthetic rubber / conductive paste between the insulator & the actual heatsink ( aluminium plate) and the air in touch with aluminium. I think you would not get much benefit out of changing the aluminium bar with copper - nobody suggests copper for heatsinks anywhere - as the benefit is not much in sinking heat but costs are much higher. Actual engineering proves copper has much higher cost for same heatsinking capability due to higher density than aluminium and so you use more copper for same heatsinking capabilities. You can get dramatic heatsinking capabilities with air circulation. Infact you can use surplus computer Microprocessor cooler fan in this case with fantastic results! Whereas if you can increase the aircirculating around the fins of Aluminium heatsink( using Fan); the benefits are larger - mostly when you use them on class A amps - you have to drive out larger amount of heat in Class A power amps. Generally benefits are less with class AB amps. If the heat sinking is inadequate then the temperature of the heat sink will be fluctuating showing temperature variation as the power demand is varying. Any action on the heatsink will be really beneficial on such cases and I hope Revox has adequate heatsinking. Infact heatsinks have to keep the Power transistor junction temperatures within its max allowable as well as at uniform temperature to avoid thermal ageing. I have to point out that most of the Nak power supply transistors are mounted on steel brackets and not on aluminium - I would suggest change here more than anywhere else. I found Nak Dragon power supply regulators if driven higher could not dissipate due to this! Kannan PS Same goes for black anodised aluminium - it helps only when the heat sink temperature is the high side - as it helps in radiating the heat rather than covective heat transfer. -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink >Hi, my ReVox B-150 amplifier have silvery heat sinks. The >drivers and power transistors are screwed to a metal bar (aluminium it >seems) on which is screwed the heat sink. > >I want to tweak it, by replacing the transistors mounting bar by a copper >made one. (I suppose copper being much better in heat conduction). > >In addition, I want also to black anodise the heat sinks, As I know black >metal surface dissipate much well the heat than bright ones, can it be a >good idea to black anodise my ReVox sinks ? In a sonic purity sake > -more instant details, better uniform sonic behaviour in hours of use, >(unlikely : tonal balance..why not...) ?- > >Any comments? >Thanks, >Matyas > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 14 05:59:32 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:59:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <000f01c13cd2$6538bb20$88199bca@smarzuki> Hi NakTinkerers, I noticed that one of the main difference between lower and top line Naks is the voltage output. Comparing almost similar models of BX1-RX2 with BX300, looks like the difference on pb circuitry is after the PB eq amp -- BX300 add another buffer amp before dolby chip while the others only use 'built-in' amp on dolby TEA chip. Will it work (theoretically) to add this buffer amp on BX1/RX2 ? If not, where is the best area to put additional gain to increase output voltage to 1V ? On 482/582 the pb amp difference is not that clear on block diagram (same 100mV test point before line amp), is it a matter of different components or are there more to it ? This one should be relatively easier than BX1/300 modification. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 14 06:45:47 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:15:47 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> Salim Look at BX300 playback amp closely - first stage before the Dolby chip! You will also notice difference between that and Dragon/ CR7 first stage? the ground path of head connection to the amp is floating! ( Unlike Dragon / Cr7) Another important point is the way these extra buffer stages present with modifications along the entire circuit makes it difficult to add a simple single stage board! Better go out and get one Cr5 instaed Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > >Hi NakTinkerers, > >I noticed that one of the main difference between lower and top line Naks is >the voltage output. Comparing almost similar models of BX1-RX2 with BX300, >looks like the difference on pb circuitry is after the PB eq amp -- BX300 >add another buffer amp before dolby chip while the others only use >'built-in' amp on dolby TEA chip. Will it work (theoretically) to add this >buffer amp on BX1/RX2 ? If not, where is the best area to put additional >gain to increase output voltage to 1V ? > >On 482/582 the pb amp difference is not that clear on block diagram (same >100mV test point before line amp), is it a matter of different components or >are there more to it ? This one should be relatively easier than BX1/300 >modification. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 14 08:08:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:08:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Kannan, what do you think of modifying 482 to get to 582's 1V output ? I'm interested only in increasing its voltage... somehow I'm attached to this 482, my first 'real nak transport' deck. CR5 sounds more transparent like its bigger brother but BX300 is good enough for me ... sounds more like older naks / dragon (they're both 1V decks). Just sold my CR5 yesterday .. so sad to let it go, but hopefully I have a good one coming ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Salim > Look at BX300 playback amp closely - first stage before the Dolby chip! > You will also notice difference between that and Dragon/ CR7 first stage? > the ground path of head connection to the amp is floating! ( Unlike Dragon / > Cr7) > > Another important point is the way these extra buffer stages present with > modifications along the entire circuit makes it difficult to add a simple > single stage board! Better go out and get one Cr5 instaed > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > >Hi NakTinkerers, > > > >I noticed that one of the main difference between lower and top line Naks > is > >the voltage output. Comparing almost similar models of BX1-RX2 with BX300, > >looks like the difference on pb circuitry is after the PB eq amp -- BX300 > >add another buffer amp before dolby chip while the others only use > >'built-in' amp on dolby TEA chip. Will it work (theoretically) to add this > >buffer amp on BX1/RX2 ? If not, where is the best area to put additional > >gain to increase output voltage to 1V ? > > > >On 482/582 the pb amp difference is not that clear on block diagram (same > >100mV test point before line amp), is it a matter of different components > or > >are there more to it ? This one should be relatively easier than BX1/300 > >modification. > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 10:15:39 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:15:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: Message-ID: <3BA1BCAB.97C6A66D@yahoo.com> The Russians quickly found out that the Taliban or Afgan Muja-hadeen were a tenacious bunch. I seriously doubt an Iraq style campaign would have any real effect. It would also require the use of Pakistani resources and territory which would probably cause the toppling of the Peves (is that how u spell it?) government, bringing into power the far more popular Pro Taliban elements which now represent the backbone if not the leadership of the current government. To make things even more interesting Pakistan set off a few calibration nukes around the same time India did about a year ago. See Ya Javier Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > Javier has a point; the Russians bombed the crap out of the place for years. > Kind of hard to bomb that place; check out the mountains there. You have to > go in and hunt down people one at a time and they know the place a lot > better than anyone else. > > The British went there once.....they did not fare well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > Just one problem with that idea > There's nothing worth bombing in Afganistan. > The place has already been gutted by > 20 years of continous war. > They probably wouldn't even feel it. > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Authorities here is the US are 90% sure that Bin Laden, the terrorist > > involved in the New York and Oklahoma Trade Center bombings was involved > > in today's attack on American soil. The majority government of > > Afghanistan has harbored this terrorist for over five years and has been > > warned repeatedly by the US government that we will hold the government > > of Afghanistan responsible if Bin Laden strikes again on our soil. I > > repeat, Afghanistan had been warned. > > > > I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter to > > individuals like Bin Laden. > > > > Today is truly a sad day in world history. My prayers go out to all who > > have been affected by this tragedy. > > > > God Bless, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > > Dear God! What has this world come to. How anyone can do such a inhumane > thing is beyond me. I hope all naktalkers of America are safe and well. > > > > > > God be with you. > > > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 1:29 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > I hope fellow naktalkers in NY are okay, Javier et al. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 14 12:24:25 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:54:25 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <002601c13d07$6ddc3ce0$42d60192@vsnl> Yeah I think , you can do that if that 482 is 3 head ( I am not sure at this moment) . If 482 is 2 head, then the replay frequency shaping components are not same as the 2 head ( head gap is around 1.2 Micron -sendust while 3 head is 0.8 Micron Permalloy ( Crystalloy) head )with differing response! And so you cannot use the 582 circuit as it is. always you can add a line level amp after all playback circuitry anyway to get this 1 V output if you want? kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > >Thanks Kannan, what do you think of modifying 482 to get to 582's 1V output >? I'm interested only in increasing its voltage... somehow I'm attached to >this 482, my first 'real nak transport' deck. > >CR5 sounds more transparent like its bigger brother but BX300 is good enough >for me ... sounds more like older naks / dragon (they're both 1V decks). >Just sold my CR5 yesterday .. so sad to let it go, but hopefully I have a >good one coming ! > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 14 13:09:43 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:09:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <002601c13d07$6ddc3ce0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000801c13d0d$c88df420$9c1a9bca@smarzuki> Looks like the latter option is easiest to incorporate ... can I simply add OP275 on final 'stage' ? I only need less than x2 gain so what would be the resistor values ? 482 is a 3 header using similar head but even first eq amp right in front of pb head already different. Kannan, what is OP275 price in India ? It's quite expensive over here $5 a piece after a long 'bargain'. IIRC BX 300 playback path already requires 4. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Yeah I think , you can do that if that 482 is 3 head ( I am not sure at this > moment) . If 482 is 2 head, then the replay frequency shaping components are > not same as the 2 head ( head gap is around 1.2 Micron -sendust while 3 head > is 0.8 Micron Permalloy ( Crystalloy) head )with differing response! And so > you cannot use the 582 circuit as it is. always you can add a line level amp > after all playback circuitry anyway to get this 1 V output if you want? > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > >Thanks Kannan, what do you think of modifying 482 to get to 582's 1V output > >? I'm interested only in increasing its voltage... somehow I'm attached to > >this 482, my first 'real nak transport' deck. > > > >CR5 sounds more transparent like its bigger brother but BX300 is good > enough > >for me ... sounds more like older naks / dragon (they're both 1V decks). > >Just sold my CR5 yesterday .. so sad to let it go, but hopefully I have a > >good one coming ! > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 14 13:22:28 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:22:28 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TriTracer, Power Supply, Big Trouble Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F577E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Dear Stephen, quite recently an acquaintance of mine and owner of another 700TT had gotten into some really big trouble. The story behind this is that he had finally decided to make some improvements on his 700 and started with eliminating the ground loops. I don't know, if he was drunk while doing this, but he ended up SHORT-CIRCUITING both independent grounds in the power supply with a jumper-wire, which he, in turn, SHORTED to the duralumin frame. The most interesting point is that the deck kept working after that. Then, I don't know why, he decided there was something wrong there and removed all those wires, whereafter the 12V line died forever. The 17V line have been still alive, though. He, then, asked me to help him bring the PS back to life. I tried to do my best, but didn't succeed either! We both then invited a third person, known as fairly experienced old radio technician, to have a look at the problem. He, too, went away having achieved nothing... Stephen, I'm kindly asking you to help me to help that poor guy to save the 800 bucks he paid for his now wasted 700. We all here may appear to be confounded by the simplest problem (as the PS-schematics is pretty ordinary), but, nevertheless, it seems to me, it ain't that simple as it seems. At least there's nobody here having a clue, as to where did 12V disappear... Please, find the rescue actions taken and measurements/observations made by myself on this way below. 1. R406 1W proved to be burnt through and charry. Replaced. 2. Q404 proved to be dead. Replaced. To be on the safe side, I ended up 3. unsoldering EVERY other resistor off the PS-PCB to check whether its face-value was OK. All proved, or better to say, seemed to be OK. 4. unsoldering EVERY other transistor to check whether its GOOD or BAD. All seemed to be OK. 5. replacing EVERY cap. 6. checking diode ZD401 and both diode bridges. Seemed to be OK. 7. AC Voltage read on the yellow outputs (17V line) of the power transformer: approx.~ 23V 8. That on the blue outputs (12V line) - approx. ~16V 9. DC Volage read after the first diode bridge (C401) --30.4V 10. That after the second bridge (C405) --20.5V Despite all of this, 17V line (after C404) is alive, but 12V line (after C406) is completely dead, i.e. 0V. Some additional notes: 1. Having done all of the above, I loaded the power supply cicuit (re-connected the appropriate wires to the DC-outputs of the PS-PCB) and switched the thing on. After a couple of seconds, the meter arrows jerked heavily and stayed in the middle of the scale quivering. 2. When I disconnected R407 and short-circuited the base and emitter of newly replaced Q404 (the one that opens Q405 screwed to the heat sinking aluminium plate) I managed to get ca. 11V DC on the 12V line. Even flywheels started to rotate! Winding worked too. However, when I pushed play button, the voltage dropped down to 8.5V, all lights dimmed, the solenoids just jerked, but couldn't actually move, whereafter Q404 failed again. I'm begging for help, as I have no other place to ask. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 14 13:31:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:31:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] SOS on 700TT (from Nick) Message-ID: <001901c13d10$d7e0f5a0$9c1a9bca@smarzuki> Nick, I need to go in 15 mins, sorry if this is double posted: ----- Dear Stephen, quite recently an acquaintance of mine and owner of another 700TT had gotten into some really big trouble. The story behind this is that he had finally decided to make some improvements on his 700 and started with eliminating the ground loops. I don't know, if he was drunk while doing this, but he ended up SHORT-CIRCUITING both independent grounds in the power supply with a jumper-wire, which he, in turn, SHORTED to the duralumin frame. The most interesting point is that the deck kept working after that. Then, I don't know why, he decided there was something wrong there and removed all those wires, whereafter the 12V line died forever. The 17V line have been still alive, though. He, then, asked me to help him bring the PS back to life. I tried to do my best, but didn't succeed either! We both then invited a third person, known as fairly experienced old radio technician, to have a look at the problem. He, too, went away having achieved nothing... Stephen, I'm kindly asking you to help me to help that poor guy to save the 800 bucks he paid for his now wasted 700. We all here may appear to be confounded by the simplest problem (as the PS-schematics is pretty ordinary), but, nevertheless, it seems to me, it ain't that simple as it seems. At least there's nobody here having a clue, as to where did 12V disappear... Please, find the rescue actions taken and measurements/observations made by myself on this way below. 1. R406 1W proved to be burnt through and charry. Replaced. 2. Q404 proved to be dead. Replaced. To be on the safe side, I ended up 3. unsoldering EVERY other resistor off the PS-PCB to check whether its face-value was OK. All proved, or better to say, seemed to be OK. 4. unsoldering EVERY other transistor to check whether its GOOD or BAD. All seemed to be OK. 5. replacing EVERY cap. 6. checking diode ZD401 and both diode bridges. Seemed to be OK. 7. AC Voltage read on the yellow outputs (17V line) of the power transformer: approx.~ 23V 8. That on the blue outputs (12V line) - approx. ~16V 9. DC Volage read after the first diode bridge (C401) --30.4V 10. That after the second bridge (C405) --20.5V Despite all of this, 17V line (after C404) is alive, but 12V line (after C406) is completely dead, i.e. 0V. Some additional notes: 1. Having done all of the above, I loaded the power supply cicuit (re-connected the appropriate wires to the DC-outputs of the PS-PCB) and switched the thing on. After a couple of seconds, the meter arrows jerked heavily and stayed in the middle of the scale quivering. 2. When I disconnected R407 and short-circuited the base and emitter of newly replaced Q404 (the one that opens Q405 screwed to the heat sinking aluminium plate) I managed to get ca. 11V DC on the 12V line. Even flywheels started to rotate! Winding worked too. However, when I pushed play button, the voltage dropped down to 8.5V, all lights dimmed, the solenoids just jerked, but couldn't actually move, whereafter Q404 failed again. I'm begging for help, as I have no other place to ask. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 14 13:27:35 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:57:35 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> OP 275 costs around $3.5 which is still more than around 2.6 or so in the US. Regrding the Opamp design - I cannot tell offhand but if you are desperate I should look at some circuits and pass on - takes time as I have to be careful. Best place to looK is Nak circuits themselves! Before trying any circuit try with TLO 74 and then replace it with OP275 kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > >Looks like the latter option is easiest to incorporate ... can I simply add >OP275 on final 'stage' ? I only need less than x2 gain so what would be the >resistor values ? 482 is a 3 header using similar head but even first eq >amp right in front of pb head already different. Kannan, what is OP275 >price in India ? It's quite expensive over here $5 a piece after a long >'bargain'. IIRC BX 300 playback path already requires 4. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kannan. S" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:24 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > >> Yeah I think , you can do that if that 482 is 3 head ( I am not sure at >this >> moment) . If 482 is 2 head, then the replay frequency shaping components >are >> not same as the 2 head ( head gap is around 1.2 Micron -sendust while 3 >head >> is 0.8 Micron Permalloy ( Crystalloy) head )with differing response! And >so >> you cannot use the 582 circuit as it is. always you can add a line level >amp >> after all playback circuitry anyway to get this 1 V output if you want? >> kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Salim Marzuki >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks >> >> >> > >> >Thanks Kannan, what do you think of modifying 482 to get to 582's 1V >output >> >? I'm interested only in increasing its voltage... somehow I'm attached >to >> >this 482, my first 'real nak transport' deck. >> > >> >CR5 sounds more transparent like its bigger brother but BX300 is good >> enough >> >for me ... sounds more like older naks / dragon (they're both 1V decks). >> >Just sold my CR5 yesterday .. so sad to let it go, but hopefully I have a >> >good one coming ! >> > >> >Best regards, >> >Salim SM >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> > >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 14 14:05:03 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:05:03 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TriTracer, Power Supply, Big Trouble Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5781@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, I forgot to ask in my previous posting, if there's a probability of the Power Transformer being harmed in some way by that short-circuiting? How to unambiguously determine whether the Power Transformer is 100% OK or NOT? I would also appreciate any tips as to how to "step in" into the problem. I mean how to consecutively eliminate particular PCB-elements out of the "suspected" list. I still can't get it, how can this be, that ALL elements seem to be OK, but the scheme does not work. Sincerly Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 15:53:18 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:53:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <137.1770885.28d10036@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BA20BCE.AE5FBD6C@yahoo.com> Firstly Need I remind you that at least one Islamic nation already has nukes. They would probably deploy it either outright or covertly in New York or DC if the US dropped one on one of their fellow Islamic states. In Afganistan the Russians quickly discovered that they had to drop several tons of munitions in order to take out a couple of militants. To make things worse the Afgans knew how to fight. Matter of fact they are good enough to train Chechens. Those who fight Afgans, quickly develop a special love for peace. Secondly I remember the first time the Russians went into Chechnya. It was to be a quick operation, a showcase of Russian military technology and battlefield prowess, but they got bogged down. A few months and several thousand dead Russians later, they sent in a seasoned special ops general and celebrated hero of the Afganistan war to take command. On his first day there he gave reporters and admiring troops a detailed explanation about how he was going use certain clever military methods to bring about a quick and successful resolution to the conflict. A few days later the guy was dead. Thirdly Nukes like conventional weapons are funny. If you drop say a 50KT tactical nuke in a place like Afganistan where there are a few small scattered villages and lots of big open areas you get a big blast and a dust cloud leaving behind a big crater. You may even kill a few wild dogs or perhaps a militants grandmother. But within a few hours everything except the crater, the dogs and granny looks normal. Now if you take that same nuke and set it off at Chambers and Broadway, nothing looks the same for a long long time. Finally Please let us refrain from drawing comparisons between our transiently important nations and Rome. There's only one Rome See Ya Javier > > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 14 16:00:02 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:00:02 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Trap Adjustment Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5783@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I thought this may be of some general interest for those Naktalkers concerning themselves with independent delving into the bowels of their valued apparatuses. The idea to share my observations with you suggested itself to me when I fought the stubborn bias adjustments in my recently revived 480Z. As usually, before acting I referred to the respective Service Manual, looking for possible adjustment peculiarities. Step "Bias Trap Adjustment" suggests screwing of the respective coils up to the point, when readings on the VTVM at some TP's specified will reach their MAXIMUMS. I followed the advice and to my surprise found the THD with any tape being ABNORMALLY high. I thought, then, it must have been a typing error or something and that, in fact, I must have had to look for the MINIMUMS. Unfortunately, unlike those MAXIMUMS, there were NO pronouced MINIMUMS at all - upon screwing the coils farther down, the readings just kept getting smaller and smaller. Then I took a decent tape and by trial and error found the positions of those coils in the Bias Trap, where the THD-factor in both channels fell within the tolerance range. It's interesting to notice, that right after that all other troubles with Bias disappeared and I could state the deck met its specs. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 16:05:15 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:05:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c13bbe$c44d2660$2bde883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BA20E9B.1837C48D@yahoo.com> Interesting thought but here's the catch. It was the humiliating defeat in Afganistan which ushered in the Garbageov era which in turn brought about the downfall of the Soviet Union It's a violation of all three laws! Go back and try again. Javier > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Nice idea Carl but I don't think we could do it! > > For one thing, the country and culture from whence bin Laden springs > from is not where he is currently a "guest" but from Saudi Arabia who > are allies of the USA. He may hide in Afghanistan but he's a Saudi, > and a rich one at that. Wouldn't do to nuke them and their oil > fields ... (Come to think of it, bin Laden was an ally of the USA and > UK when we were both trying to get the Russians out of Afghanistan ... > how ironic. Perhaps we should have backed the Russians instead of > the Taliban and bin Laden and maybe none of this would have happened.) > > For another, trying to annihilate a "whole damned culture"ain't > something that's allowed under the International Laws that the USA > supports - it's euphemistically called "ethnic cleansing" and often > "genocide." That's what Slobodan Milosovich is on trial for at this > moment in the Hague . That's also what we tried and hanged a whole > bunch of German Nazis at Nuremberg because they sought to destroy the > Jewish and Gypsy cultures in Europe. > > Anyway, it doesn't work ... For example, the Normans (French) tried to > destroy the culture of the Anglo-Saxons in England by slaughter and > banning many of our customs and language (some Anglo-Saxon words are > still taboo - e.g. the "F" word and the "C" one, too), as also did try > the English against the Welsh (we banned their language), the Scottish > (we burnt down their homes, often with Scots in them, and starved > hundreds to death during the infamous "Clearances") and the Irish > (language and music banned and nearly wiped out the nation during the > potato famine - we also started the Catholic versus Protestant wars in > Ireland - "divide and rule" being the prevailing wisdom at the time), > as we Brits also tried to beggar the cultures, religions, history and > traditions of many an African nation, too. > > Why, we Brits even tried to throw a blanket in the emerging cultures > of the New World until you threw us out - ain't you glad your > ancestors did or Tony Blair might have been your Prime Minister and > you could also have looked forward to the prospect of having Prince > Charles as your King!!! > > Besides, I think you actually speak from a boiling rage in your > heart: We may do well to remember the advice of the Sicilian Mafia - > I paraphrase, "Revenge is a sweet dessert that is best served cold." > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 12 September 2001 19:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > The only way I can think that is going to inhibit activity such as > this....you can never eliminate it completely...is to find the country > from > whence these people sprang and destroy it. The whole damn culture. > Set an > example; the kind of example that the romans made of Carthage (twice, > I > think; first time did not stick I think). Destroy the cities, > eliminate all > the men older than 10 years old.... > > Carl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 16:11:20 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:11:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> <008e01c13bce$8fd83ea0$ba65a93f@0021976299> Message-ID: <3BA21008.15AC3CE3@yahoo.com> C'mon guys Do you really think taking out this fellow will change anything. He hasn't fired a gun in anger in 20 years. He's rather like an Anti-Ghandi, no real command structure but a lot of followers. He doesn't give orders but expresses wishes, These wishes are quickly converted into action by the faithful. Why do you think the Taliban can't seem to get rid of him. If they tried, he might suddenly find himself wishing them dead! Javier joel eidbo wrote: > > I think we have a very good idea of where he is hiding. The loss of > innocent lives would be far less than what we experienced yesterday. I > don't think they will use a nuke. But I would support our government if > they did. dr.bo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the > > loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I > > don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack > > is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should > use > > > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 > were > > > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > > > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > > > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the > defense > > > budget. dr.bo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter > to > > > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > > > lesson > > > > that they can learn. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 16:14:50 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:14:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <109.580ec7e.28cfff01@aol.com> <004d01c13b81$a1a74b00$29bd16d0@0021976299> <3B9F9D64.3961C4D8@earthlink.net> <008e01c13bce$8fd83ea0$ba65a93f@0021976299> <3B9FD4E7.B2B44A79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BA210DA.F3BE4098@yahoo.com> Don't worry Jim Besides political implications there's very little chance the U.S. will use nukes so near Russia. It's impolite Javier Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Bin Laden moves every three days or so, by cover of the night. We have > no way of knowing his destination ahead of time. > > I'd bet all that is important to me that the US will not use nuclear > weapons. I'd also bet that the option isn't even being discussed. It is > completely unnecessary. > > Jim Volpatti > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > I think we have a very good idea of where he is hiding. The loss of > > innocent lives would be far less than what we experienced yesterday. I > > don't think they will use a nuke. But I would support our government if > > they did. dr.bo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > We have no way of knowing exactly where the Bin Laden is hiding and the > > > loss of innocent lives would be worse than we experienced yesterday. I > > > don't know where you live but I pray that a consensus for nuclear attack > > > is not building in this country. That would be shear madness. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joel eidbo wrote: > > > > > > > > Talk around the office included a discussion of whether or not we should > > use > > > > a nuclear bomb on the area where Bin Laden hides out. Roughly 2 to 1 > > were > > > > in favor of it. I don't think we will have to wait long to witness > > > > reprisals. I also don't think this will be the last of the terrorist > > > > attacks. Maybe now congress will finally allow more money for the > > defense > > > > budget. dr.bo > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 4:22:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << I feel the US should unleash an attack on Afghanistan government > > > > > buildings and officials so horrific that other countries like Libya, > > > > > Syria, Iraq and Iran will think long and hard before offering shelter > > to > > > > > individuals like Bin Laden. >> > > > > > > > > > > amen. there's no reasoning with them. A lesson in force is the only > > > > lesson > > > > > that they can learn. > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 14 17:49:26 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:49:26 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5784@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Guys, accept my apologies for letting my S.O.S message double or triple, as having recently had some troubles with sending messages to Naktalk, I asked Salim to double it, if it won't arrive at Naktalk within half an hour. Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:46:54 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:46:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink References: <002e01c13cce$887e6980$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: Ok, lets forget the mounting copper bar idea ! Thanks Kannan & Stephen ! Revox sinks are well designed in this amp (class AB, ~50 Wpc rms), and it doesn't suffer from heat problems. It was just a thought about improvements of the sinking speed, leaded by articles I read on "Memory effect Distortion" that belongs to transistors. :-) I know a person that will anodise my sinks for cheap. About Dragons, I find them to be running too hot. Along with your heat sink metal replacement advice, will you recommend to drill a series of holes on the rear panel, to let the air circulating ? It is since I own a Dragon that I want to do it, but I am refrained be my respect for this deck. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:58:56 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:58:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Which good one are you waiting to come for replacement of the CR-5 ? :-) Have you ever compared the 582 to 482 (or experienced the 582) ? Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Fri Sep 14 20:04:26 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:04:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5784@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, Stephen What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? Thanks, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 22:12:49 2001 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bias Trap Adjustment In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5783@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <20010914201249.29573.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> The Bias trap adjustment should be adjusted for Minimum reading on the meter. For the Bias Trap adjustment you need a VTVM (Vacuum Tube Volt Meter) or a meter that can measure AC voltage in the 105kHz region. Most meters will not measure beyond a couple kHz. This might be the reason not being able to find the minimum reading. A scope would work to, but, it's often difficult to find the minimum very accurately. SJ --- Igritski Nick wrote: > I thought this may be of some general interest for > those Naktalkers > concerning themselves with independent delving into > the bowels of their > valued apparatuses. The idea to share my > observations with you suggested > itself to me when I fought the stubborn bias > adjustments in my recently > revived 480Z. As usually, before acting I referred > to the respective Service > Manual, looking for possible adjustment > peculiarities. Step "Bias Trap > Adjustment" suggests screwing of the respective > coils up to the point, when > readings on the VTVM at some TP's specified will > reach their MAXIMUMS. I > followed the advice and to my surprise found the THD > with any tape being > ABNORMALLY high. I thought, then, it must have been > a typing error or > something and that, in fact, I must have had to look > for the MINIMUMS. > Unfortunately, unlike those MAXIMUMS, there were NO > pronouced MINIMUMS at > all - upon screwing the coils farther down, the > readings just kept getting > smaller and smaller. Then I took a decent tape and > by trial and error found > the positions of those coils in the Bias Trap, where > the THD-factor in both > channels fell within the tolerance range. It's > interesting to notice, that > right after that all other troubles with Bias > disappeared and I could state > the deck met its specs. > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 14 22:07:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:07:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> Matyas, Finally ... "needs work 1000ZXL" !!! Far from mint, but well, it's a start. :-) Cosmetics are poor but quite clean on the inside, must've been early production. So far I've seen two ZXLs locally but still none of 582, too bad. Hopefully one day I'll be able to find one of that 50cm wide deck. Matyas, do you have the adjustment procedure steps for 1000zxl ? Any fellow nakkers willing to share the procedure ? So many little pots inside and I have no clue what's what. By the way, do ZXLs only come with wooden case or is there a version with metal housing ? Best regards & wish me luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Hi Salim, > Which good one are you waiting to come for replacement of the CR-5 ? :-) > Have you ever compared the 582 to 482 (or experienced the 582) ? > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Fri Sep 14 22:56:05 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:56:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <137.1770885.28d10036@aol.com> <3BA20BCE.AE5FBD6C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c13d5f$ae36d0e0$8d65a93f@0021976299> So- what do you suggest we do? Paint a target on the white house? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 01:52:31 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:52:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <137.1770885.28d10036@aol.com> <3BA20BCE.AE5FBD6C@yahoo.com> <005101c13d5f$ae36d0e0$8d65a93f@0021976299> Message-ID: <3BA2983F.26E07F35@yahoo.com> There really isn't much that can be done on this side. It all hinges on the Israel/Palestine thing. Every time something happens there it sends shock waves through the whole region and hundreds of new guys show up at those training camps, willing to do anything. Javier joel eidbo wrote: > > So- what do you suggest we do? Paint a target on the white house? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 02:16:36 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 02:16:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim you are a very lucky men !!!! Even if this 1000ZXL needs work, it REALLY worth it ! I know well this deck as user (deck of a buddy), I own the whole schematics but miss all adjustment procedures. Best thing to do is of course to not touch any of the trimpots at all before having studied carefully the monster as per manual. You certainly recall some months ago my quest to build myself the 1000ZXL playback amplifier alone. Understand this in, that any part of this deck is Artwork. The best player from Nakamichi, without any doubt. On recording side, you will be amazed by its distortion free sound. A great chance is that all the head for this deck are available. Nakamichi 582 is just their ugliest deck but its sound is of a very special class, the one that allows it to present itself front to the ZXL without shame, moreover it let you pardon its aesthetic. To me it is their most honest deck, truly. About versions of the 1000ZXL, they are two. -optimisation of PCB layout. -And as an ancient seller tells me that earlier ones had mat varnish wooden cabinet, then the second have a magnificent shinning varnish. The second version, according to this men, perform better. I am fully with you in measure of my possible for this rescue mission ! It will be easy to set correctly the heads if you haven't test tapes, thanks to your Dragon... and to our DIY jigs ! The only obscure point for the common of mortal like us, is the computer interface & software for its calibration set-up, as it was discussed here many times ago. I wish you luck to not have trouble with the static memory. If any, think you are about to hold in your hands a supernatural player !!! (better than Revox black B-215-S !) Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > Matyas, > > Finally ... "needs work 1000ZXL" !!! Far from mint, but well, it's a > start. :-) Cosmetics are poor but quite clean on the inside, must've been > early production. So far I've seen two ZXLs locally but still none of 582, > too bad. Hopefully one day I'll be able to find one of that 50cm wide deck. > > Matyas, do you have the adjustment procedure steps for 1000zxl ? Any fellow > nakkers willing to share the procedure ? So many little pots inside and I > have no clue what's what. By the way, do ZXLs only come with wooden case or > is there a version with metal housing ? > > Best regards & wish me luck ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > Hi Salim, > > Which good one are you waiting to come for replacement of the CR-5 ? :-) > > Have you ever compared the 582 to 482 (or experienced the 582) ? > > Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 02:47:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:47:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink References: <002e01c13cce$887e6980$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <031301c13d80$00696560$133442cf@sank1> If you really want to make the Dragon run cooler, the best way I can think of, and also the least aesthetically offensive, would be to drill two arrays of holes in the bottom panel, one array under the rear end of the left & the other toward the front of the left(under gap between power PCB & transport). Then, mount a small fan, like a high grade CPU fan, under the front array, blowing inward. Be sure to drill the holes with the bottom panel removed!:) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: heat sink > Ok, lets forget the mounting copper bar idea ! > Thanks Kannan & Stephen ! Revox sinks are well designed in this amp (class > AB, ~50 Wpc rms), and it doesn't suffer from heat problems. It was just a > thought about improvements of the sinking speed, leaded by articles I read > on "Memory effect Distortion" that belongs to transistors. :-) I know a > person that will anodise my sinks for cheap. > > About Dragons, I find them to be running too hot. > Along with your heat sink metal replacement advice, will you recommend to > drill a series of holes on the rear panel, to let the air circulating ? It > is since I own a Dragon that I want to do it, but I am refrained be my > respect for this deck. > Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 02:51:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:51:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5784@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <031901c13d80$8d1ed1c0$133442cf@sank1> As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II has an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive system. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Hi Nick, Stephen > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > Thanks, Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 02:54:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:54:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> I have a nice copy of the 1000ZXL service manual, from Schaltungsdienst, which I could scan & email portions of to you. Not sure how soon I'd have time to do it. If Carlos is listening, perhaps he may have time to do the same with his copy sooner? As far as I know, the only case option for the ZXL was the wood case. Not sure if it would fit the 1000TT/1000II's optional & rare portable "anvil type" case. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > Matyas, > > Finally ... "needs work 1000ZXL" !!! Far from mint, but well, it's a > start. :-) Cosmetics are poor but quite clean on the inside, must've been > early production. So far I've seen two ZXLs locally but still none of 582, > too bad. Hopefully one day I'll be able to find one of that 50cm wide deck. > > Matyas, do you have the adjustment procedure steps for 1000zxl ? Any fellow > nakkers willing to share the procedure ? So many little pots inside and I > have no clue what's what. By the way, do ZXLs only come with wooden case or > is there a version with metal housing ? > > Best regards & wish me luck ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > Hi Salim, > > Which good one are you waiting to come for replacement of the CR-5 ? :-) > > Have you ever compared the 582 to 482 (or experienced the 582) ? > > Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Sep 15 11:40:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:40:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Trap Adjustment Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5785@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> C'mon, Scott! I believe you must have taken me for the "beginner" or something :-) Otherwise, you would have not suspected me in not knowing the basic things... 1. We, in our small home-lab, have most of the tools (including real HP Vacuum Tube VM) required for proper work on Naks, an ordinary radio-amateur can only dream of. 2. Many Nak Service Manuals STATE, that while making adjustments on Bias Traps one has to look for MAXIMUM. Is it a repeated typing error? 3. I told in my posting, that the most interesting part was that the deck met it's specs ONLY when the Bias Trap coils were adjusted NOT for the MAXIMUM and NOT even for the MINIMUM, but somewhere "inbetween". But it DID! And I asked ain't that oddly enough? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson [SMTP:p9019 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Trap Adjustment > > The Bias trap adjustment should be adjusted for > Minimum reading on the meter. > > For the Bias Trap adjustment you need a VTVM (Vacuum > Tube Volt Meter) or a meter that can measure AC > voltage in the 105kHz region. Most meters will not > measure beyond a couple kHz. This might be the reason > not being able to find the minimum reading. A scope > would work to, but, it's often difficult to find the > minimum very accurately. > > SJ > > --- Igritski Nick > wrote: > > I thought this may be of some general interest for > > those Naktalkers > > concerning themselves with independent delving into > > the bowels of their > > valued apparatuses. The idea to share my > > observations with you suggested > > itself to me when I fought the stubborn bias > > adjustments in my recently > > revived 480Z. As usually, before acting I referred > > to the respective Service > > Manual, looking for possible adjustment > > peculiarities. Step "Bias Trap > > Adjustment" suggests screwing of the respective > > coils up to the point, when > > readings on the VTVM at some TP's specified will > > reach their MAXIMUMS. I > > followed the advice and to my surprise found the THD > > with any tape being > > ABNORMALLY high. I thought, then, it must have been > > a typing error or > > something and that, in fact, I must have had to look > > for the MINIMUMS. > > Unfortunately, unlike those MAXIMUMS, there were NO > > pronouced MINIMUMS at > > all - upon screwing the coils farther down, the > > readings just kept getting > > smaller and smaller. Then I took a decent tape and > > by trial and error found > > the positions of those coils in the Bias Trap, where > > the THD-factor in both > > channels fell within the tolerance range. It's > > interesting to notice, that > > right after that all other troubles with Bias > > disappeared and I could state > > the deck met its specs. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sat Sep 15 11:50:21 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:50:21 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 gaps, thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the PB-heads used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus improving the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II > has > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive > system. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > Thanks, Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 13:27:57 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:27:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> I've often thought it would be a great idea to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? Javier Igritski Nick wrote: > > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 gaps, > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the PB-heads > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus improving > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II > > has > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive > > system. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 15:12:15 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:12:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: I have a 700TT as well as a 700II ! For those intereseted, please find here the the diff´s that I have noticed: -Frontplate with touchbuttons, level adj. on the facia, no limiter, meters go from -40 - +10dB vs. +5dB. -Ball Drive for the reels, in the TT the main motor drives the reels, the reelmotor is only used for winding. -El. governor for the reelmotor. -"Phase compensated" PB-amb, uses one more transistor. -Overall "hotted" electronics, like micamp uses 3 vs. 2 transistors, different input amp, mix. amp, and lineamp, and an transformerless HP-amp. -More supply decoupling. -Better spec. on distorsion and S/N (could be due to better tape formulas?) -Same rec. and PB-head, 5u ferrite and 0,7u crystalloy. Have not checked the ER. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 gaps, > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the PB-heads > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus improving > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II > > has > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive > > system. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 16:40:35 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:40:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink References: <002e01c13cce$887e6980$42d60192@vsnl> <031301c13d80$00696560$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: OK, but these fans are noisy both sonically and electrically. If I connect it to the black box 10V output with a high value capacitor, may I even though to face noise pollution in its audio circuits ? Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" > If you really want to make the Dragon run cooler, the best way I can think > of, and also the least aesthetically offensive, would be to drill two arrays > of holes in the bottom panel, one array under the rear end of the left & the > other toward the front of the left(under gap between power PCB & transport). > Then, mount a small fan, like a high grade CPU fan, under the front array, > blowing inward. Be sure to drill the holes with the bottom panel removed!:) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 16:01:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:01:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen & fellows, If anybody send to Salim the 1000ZXL adjustments pages, I will be glad to receive them as a conform copy at csaba at isuisse.com :o) Stephen, does the copies Schaltungsdienst done are good ? The diagrams of the 1000ZXL are very thin & reduced, is it easy to read the details on their copies ? Thank in advance Matyas PS: Salim, excuse me for I'd forgot you haven't scope for the making of reference tape with your dragon. I am sure you will find a kind guy that will lend you his scope for a night or a week end... All the best ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 16:27:44 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:27:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Stephen, Nick, thank you buddies ! I own also a desperately psychotic Nak 600II. It seem having the same PB head than the 700II. Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 17:50:13 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:50:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Interesting Marcus! Can you tell me whether it is normal for the 700 II to not have a lot of punch nor great clarity for its line stage in comparison to a recent Nak which can compare to CD players, if not, do you know a clue ? Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" > I have a 700TT as well as a 700II ! > For those intereseted, please find here the the diff´s that I have noticed: > > -Frontplate with touchbuttons, level adj. on the facia, no limiter, meters go from -40 - +10dB vs. +5dB. > -Ball Drive for the reels, in the TT the main motor drives the reels, the reelmotor is only used for winding. > -El. governor for the reelmotor. > -"Phase compensated" PB-amb, uses one more transistor. > -Overall "hotted" electronics, like micamp uses 3 vs. 2 transistors, different input amp, mix. amp, and lineamp, and an transformerless HP-amp. > -More supply decoupling. > -Better spec. on distorsion and S/N (could be due to better tape formulas?) > -Same rec. and PB-head, 5u ferrite and 0,7u crystalloy. Have not checked the ER. > > Marcus. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Sat Sep 15 19:07:10 2001 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:07:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Matyas! I have the following sonic experience: Both machines have "zero" wow&flutter, as measured by my ears. The 700II has more "punch" in the bass in the HP on pop music, no diff via line out. I have not compared with any more recent naka deck, both machines outperform my Tandberg TCD330 (1980?) and Denon DR-M30HX (1990?) on "everything"! I have not noticed any lack of clarity or punch if I compare the HP-output from my Marantz6000OSE with the HP-output of the 700II in "source" monitoring. This could be different on another 700II, since I have changed almost all coupling electrolytics. I do not have the 700TT in house at the moment, but I have now looked on the ER-head on the II: It has one slot 1/100 of an inch or so wide, covering half the width of the tape. This might not be the original head, a previous owner changed the touchbutton front for a TT-one, the same could have happened to the ER-head. According to the SM´s, TT have a "G8", while the II has a "GA02014A E54". Another discrepancy that i forgot is that the II has separte buttons for rec. bias/level and rec&pb equalisation. For those who like to use the 70us also for standard tapes. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Interesting Marcus! > Can you tell me whether it is normal for the 700 II to not have a lot of > punch nor great clarity for its line stage in comparison to a recent Nak > which can compare to CD players, if not, do you know a clue ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Rosén" > > I have a 700TT as well as a 700II ! > > For those intereseted, please find here the the diff´s that I have > noticed: > > > > -Frontplate with touchbuttons, level adj. on the facia, no limiter, meters > go from -40 - +10dB vs. +5dB. > > -Ball Drive for the reels, in the TT the main motor drives the reels, the > reelmotor is only used for winding. > > -El. governor for the reelmotor. > > -"Phase compensated" PB-amb, uses one more transistor. > > -Overall "hotted" electronics, like micamp uses 3 vs. 2 transistors, > different input amp, mix. amp, and lineamp, and an transformerless HP-amp. > > -More supply decoupling. > > -Better spec. on distorsion and S/N (could be due to better tape > formulas?) > > -Same rec. and PB-head, 5u ferrite and 0,7u crystalloy. Have not checked > the ER. > > > > Marcus. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:11:27 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:11:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: copper shielding References: Message-ID: <002701c13e22$9b0fd200$1f3442cf@sank1> In theory, copper plating provides better RF shielding. It also looks really pretty. But I don't believe it will make a measurable or audible difference in practice with a deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: copper shielding > It exists some copper shielding in Spray solution. > What is your advise on their efficiency ? > Thinking about the CR-4 copper plated chassis as well as other japanese > brand apparatuses(i.e. pioneer) with that blend, can you tell me if this > is worth having ? (other than for commercial goals) > Thanks a lot ! > > Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:13:22 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:13:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <002d01c13e22$def51b60$1f3442cf@sank1> I agree with what Marcus implies- you may have electrolytic caps drying up in either inter-stage signal coupling or power supply bypassing. I have never noticed any difference going through a 700TT/II in source monitor, although I have not done such a test "critically". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Interesting Marcus! > Can you tell me whether it is normal for the 700 II to not have a lot of > punch nor great clarity for its line stage in comparison to a recent Nak > which can compare to CD players, if not, do you know a clue ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Ros�n" > > I have a 700TT as well as a 700II ! > > For those intereseted, please find here the the diff�s that I have > noticed: > > > > -Frontplate with touchbuttons, level adj. on the facia, no limiter, meters > go from -40 - +10dB vs. +5dB. > > -Ball Drive for the reels, in the TT the main motor drives the reels, the > reelmotor is only used for winding. > > -El. governor for the reelmotor. > > -"Phase compensated" PB-amb, uses one more transistor. > > -Overall "hotted" electronics, like micamp uses 3 vs. 2 transistors, > different input amp, mix. amp, and lineamp, and an transformerless HP-amp. > > -More supply decoupling. > > -Better spec. on distorsion and S/N (could be due to better tape > formulas?) > > -Same rec. and PB-head, 5u ferrite and 0,7u crystalloy. Have not checked > the ER. > > > > Marcus. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:16:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:16:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink References: <002e01c13cce$887e6980$42d60192@vsnl> <031301c13d80$00696560$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003501c13e23$432bb580$1f3442cf@sank1> I would use an external power supply, for sure, which could easily be a "wall wart", i.e., a supply that hangs off the power outlet directly. If you used a 9V wall wart for 12v fan/fans, maybe with a dropping resistor, it should be whisper quiet. You don't need to push much air to cool things down quite a bit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: heat sink > OK, but these fans are noisy both sonically and electrically. > If I connect it to the black box 10V output with a high value capacitor, may > I even though to face noise pollution in its audio circuits ? > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > > If you really want to make the Dragon run cooler, the best way I can think > > of, and also the least aesthetically offensive, would be to drill two > arrays > > of holes in the bottom panel, one array under the rear end of the left & > the > > other toward the front of the left(under gap between power PCB & > transport). > > Then, mount a small fan, like a high grade CPU fan, under the front array, > > blowing inward. Be sure to drill the holes with the bottom panel > removed!:) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:18:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:18:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <004801c13e23$90d2dc00$1f3442cf@sank1> I don't think the II has a different Pb head than the TT. I have certainly never measured a difference in response, beyond wear factors. What is a "psychotic 600II"? And, no, it has a R/P wider gap head, which only looks like the 700 pb head. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 gaps, > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the PB-heads > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus improving > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II > > has > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive > > system. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:20:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:20:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to the parameters. Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise reduction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > I've often thought it would be a great idea > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > Javier > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 gaps, > > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the PB-heads > > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus improving > > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the 700-II > > > has > > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better erase > > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are actually > > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I don't > > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell you > > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel clutch > > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch drive > > > system. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matyas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 22:23:10 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:23:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005401c13e24$3da5b7e0$1f3442cf@sank1> The copies I have gotten from Schaltungsdienst have been excellent. Totally readable, even on the tiny ZXL details. Not sure how well I can do with those on scanning, but I'll do my best. Incidentally, total cost w/postage for the copy was $20. Don't know how they make money, considering the labor time of copying all those pages. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Hi Stephen & fellows, > If anybody send to Salim the 1000ZXL adjustments pages, I will be glad to > receive them as a conform copy at csaba at isuisse.com :o) > > Stephen, does the copies Schaltungsdienst done are good ? The diagrams of > the 1000ZXL are very thin & reduced, is it easy to read the details on their > copies ? > Thank in advance > Matyas > > PS: Salim, excuse me for I'd forgot you haven't scope for the making of > reference tape with your dragon. I am sure you will find a kind guy that > will lend you his scope for a night or a week end... All the best ! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:26:33 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:26:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003b01c13e25$770ae7c0$de289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Thanks much for your kind words ! Looks like I'm not that lucky yet, still problematic in record mode, hopefully it's not the complicated calibration circuitry. One channel dead on pb head but I swapped head from other deck. Looks like ZXL pb head was 'hand selected' as it reads exactly 100 ohm on 3 good windings, the other pb head has a range of 97-99 ohm. Right now I'm still breaking-in the 'new' head and rubbers, but already can tell that playback is very special. This monster is awesome, but still ... if I can have only one deck, it will be a dragon. :-) Good sound, excellent features, and best of all, manual adjustment ! By the way, which chip serves as static memory - the 4508 or 4514 ? And one final complaint - how do you check voltages on those boards ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Salim you are a very lucky men !!!! > Even if this 1000ZXL needs work, it REALLY worth it ! I know well this deck > as user (deck of a buddy), I own the whole schematics but miss all > adjustment procedures. Best thing to do is of course to not touch any of the > trimpots at all before having studied carefully the monster as per manual. > You certainly recall some months ago my quest to build myself the 1000ZXL > playback amplifier alone. Understand this in, that any part of this deck is > Artwork. The best player from Nakamichi, without any doubt. > On recording side, you will be amazed by its distortion free sound. > > A great chance is that all the head for this deck are available. > > Nakamichi 582 is just their ugliest deck but its sound is of a very special > class, the one that allows it to present itself front to the ZXL without > shame, moreover it let you pardon its aesthetic. To me it is their most > honest deck, > truly. > > About versions of the 1000ZXL, they are two. > -optimisation of PCB layout. > -And as an ancient seller tells me that earlier ones had mat varnish wooden > cabinet, > then the second have a magnificent shinning varnish. > The second version, according to this men, perform better. > > I am fully with you in measure of my possible for this rescue mission ! > It will be easy to set correctly the heads if you haven't test tapes, thanks > to your Dragon... and to our DIY jigs ! > The only obscure point for the common of mortal like us, is the computer > interface & software for its calibration set-up, as it was discussed here > many times ago. I wish you luck to not have trouble with the static memory. > If any, think you are about to hold in your hands a supernatural player !!! > (better than Revox black B-215-S !) > > Best regards, > Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:27:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:27:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the ZXL scan offer Stephen, I will definitely need them sooner or later ! Maybe Matyas can upload some of the schematics ? In the meatime, could you please tell me if there's any way to disable the A.B.L.E. circuitry ? I'm trying to isolate the recording problem, if possible. The deck can record 400k test tone & external tone but with horrendous harmonics (just like LX5 'chart') - but most strange thing is that it will not record a song ! Input is good up to 'source' but total garbage on 'tape'. Very faint garbled noise and when I increase rec level suddenly it jumped up to full meter scale distorted sound. I have replaced all orange caps, rec opamp 4556, 3 opamps 4558 on 'rec eq' board also the 7300 rec dolby chips - didn't help at all. Bias checked fine - 50 khz something on erase head connector. If ABLE can't be disabled, which area / board warrant a closer look for this problem ? Best regards and thanks again, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > I have a nice copy of the 1000ZXL service manual, from Schaltungsdienst, > which I could scan & email portions of to you. Not sure how soon I'd have > time to do it. If Carlos is listening, perhaps he may have time to do the > same with his copy sooner? > As far as I know, the only case option for the ZXL was the wood case. Not > sure if it would fit the 1000TT/1000II's optional & rare portable "anvil > type" case. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:27:01 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:27:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ron Message-ID: <003c01c13e25$7a6a8d80$de289bca@smarzuki> Are you there ? Suddenly remembered you live in Boston area. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:53:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:53:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas ... you are good at mindreading ! That's my thought when reading nakamikaze-tools but chose not to comment :-( . I made tape on 'untouched' CR7 and it worked quite well. Anyway I found a used 10mhz Kenwood 'scope C25xx for $200, is it any good ? Those schaltungsdienst manuals are excellent ! Less thick manuals - CR4 - was even cheaper and travelled half the globe in just one week. You're close to Berlin, probably only takes 1-2 days. (are you in Geneve ?) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Hi Stephen & fellows, > If anybody send to Salim the 1000ZXL adjustments pages, I will be glad to > receive them as a conform copy at csaba at isuisse.com :o) > > Stephen, does the copies Schaltungsdienst done are good ? The diagrams of > the 1000ZXL are very thin & reduced, is it easy to read the details on their > copies ? > Thank in advance > Matyas > > PS: Salim, excuse me for I'd forgot you haven't scope for the making of > reference tape with your dragon. I am sure you will find a kind guy that > will lend you his scope for a night or a week end... All the best ! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:37:38 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:37:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005201c13e28$919109a0$de289bca@smarzuki> Javier, you mean external Dolby C unit other than Nak's NR 200 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to the > parameters. > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise reduction. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > Javier > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 15 23:23:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:23:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> The erase & bias signals are derived from a crystal oscillator, IC807 & divider, IC806. Frequency on bias outputs should be 105kHz, measured at either pin of C105/C205. IC301 is the bias amp for L&R, with signal coming from IC809, then from IC806. IC101 & IC201 are the bias level controllers. The only memory is the uPD5101 chip, IC702, next to the ABLE CPU, IC701. There is no way to disable the ABLE circuit that I know of, or that the manual mentions. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > Thanks for the ZXL scan offer Stephen, I will definitely need them sooner or > later ! Maybe Matyas can upload some of the schematics ? In the meatime, > could you please tell me if there's any way to disable the A.B.L.E. > circuitry ? I'm trying to isolate the recording problem, if possible. > > The deck can record 400k test tone & external tone but with horrendous > harmonics (just like LX5 'chart') - but most strange thing is that it will > not record a song ! Input is good up to 'source' but total garbage on > 'tape'. Very faint garbled noise and when I increase rec level suddenly it > jumped up to full meter scale distorted sound. > > I have replaced all orange caps, rec opamp 4556, 3 opamps 4558 on 'rec eq' > board also the 7300 rec dolby chips - didn't help at all. Bias checked > fine - 50 khz something on erase head connector. If ABLE can't be disabled, > which area / board warrant a closer look for this problem ? > > Best regards and thanks again, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > I have a nice copy of the 1000ZXL service manual, from Schaltungsdienst, > > which I could scan & email portions of to you. Not sure how soon I'd have > > time to do it. If Carlos is listening, perhaps he may have time to do the > > same with his copy sooner? > > As far as I know, the only case option for the ZXL was the wood case. Not > > sure if it would fit the 1000TT/1000II's optional & rare portable "anvil > > type" case. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 23:36:11 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:36:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006601c13e2e$70cd3940$de289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen. Is it possible that faulty RAMM can get in the way of recording ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > The erase & bias signals are derived from a crystal oscillator, IC807 & > divider, IC806. Frequency on bias outputs should be 105kHz, measured at > either pin of C105/C205. IC301 is the bias amp for L&R, with signal coming > from IC809, then from IC806. IC101 & IC201 are the bias level controllers. > The only memory is the uPD5101 chip, IC702, next to the ABLE CPU, IC701. > There is no way to disable the ABLE circuit that I know of, or that the > manual mentions. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:27 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > > > > > Thanks for the ZXL scan offer Stephen, I will definitely need them sooner > or > > later ! Maybe Matyas can upload some of the schematics ? In the meatime, > > could you please tell me if there's any way to disable the A.B.L.E. > > circuitry ? I'm trying to isolate the recording problem, if possible. > > > > The deck can record 400k test tone & external tone but with horrendous > > harmonics (just like LX5 'chart') - but most strange thing is that it will > > not record a song ! Input is good up to 'source' but total garbage on > > 'tape'. Very faint garbled noise and when I increase rec level suddenly > it > > jumped up to full meter scale distorted sound. > > > > I have replaced all orange caps, rec opamp 4556, 3 opamps 4558 on 'rec eq' > > board also the 7300 rec dolby chips - didn't help at all. Bias checked > > fine - 50 khz something on erase head connector. If ABLE can't be > disabled, > > which area / board warrant a closer look for this problem ? > > > > Best regards and thanks again, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > > > I have a nice copy of the 1000ZXL service manual, from Schaltungsdienst, > > > which I could scan & email portions of to you. Not sure how soon I'd > have > > > time to do it. If Carlos is listening, perhaps he may have time to do > the > > > same with his copy sooner? > > > As far as I know, the only case option for the ZXL was the wood case. > Not > > > sure if it would fit the 1000TT/1000II's optional & rare portable "anvil > > > type" case. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 16 00:03:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:03:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <006601c13e2e$70cd3940$de289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00d701c13e32$4a64ee20$1f3442cf@sank1> I don't think the RAMM circuitry can interfere in any way with recording/calibration. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > Thanks Stephen. Is it possible that faulty RAMM can get in the way of > recording ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > > > The erase & bias signals are derived from a crystal oscillator, IC807 & > > divider, IC806. Frequency on bias outputs should be 105kHz, measured at > > either pin of C105/C205. IC301 is the bias amp for L&R, with signal > coming > > from IC809, then from IC806. IC101 & IC201 are the bias level > controllers. > > The only memory is the uPD5101 chip, IC702, next to the ABLE CPU, IC701. > > There is no way to disable the ABLE circuit that I know of, or that the > > manual mentions. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:27 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the ZXL scan offer Stephen, I will definitely need them > sooner > > or > > > later ! Maybe Matyas can upload some of the schematics ? In the > meatime, > > > could you please tell me if there's any way to disable the A.B.L.E. > > > circuitry ? I'm trying to isolate the recording problem, if possible. > > > > > > The deck can record 400k test tone & external tone but with horrendous > > > harmonics (just like LX5 'chart') - but most strange thing is that it > will > > > not record a song ! Input is good up to 'source' but total garbage on > > > 'tape'. Very faint garbled noise and when I increase rec level suddenly > > it > > > jumped up to full meter scale distorted sound. > > > > > > I have replaced all orange caps, rec opamp 4556, 3 opamps 4558 on 'rec > eq' > > > board also the 7300 rec dolby chips - didn't help at all. Bias checked > > > fine - 50 khz something on erase head connector. If ABLE can't be > > disabled, > > > which area / board warrant a closer look for this problem ? > > > > > > Best regards and thanks again, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > > > > > > I have a nice copy of the 1000ZXL service manual, from > Schaltungsdienst, > > > > which I could scan & email portions of to you. Not sure how soon I'd > > have > > > > time to do it. If Carlos is listening, perhaps he may have time to do > > the > > > > same with his copy sooner? > > > > As far as I know, the only case option for the ZXL was the wood case. > > Not > > > > sure if it would fit the 1000TT/1000II's optional & rare portable > "anvil > > > > type" case. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Sep 16 03:20:49 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:20:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Message-ID: <000701c13e4d$d290e680$8e8c9a40@compaq> Today I purchased four 10 packs of TDK SA90 cassettes at $4.77 each. This was at Costco Wholesale in Phoenix, Az. These same 10 packs were $6.77 one month ago. I believe they will be discontinued once Costco sells out. To my ears, I still prefer the analog cassette tape over digital recording devices. Enjoy your Nakamichi Cassette Deck! -Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 16 03:38:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:38:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <000701c13e4d$d290e680$8e8c9a40@compaq> Message-ID: <00f601c13e50$43221f20$1f3442cf@sank1> Hey, if it weren't for people like us clinging to so-called "obsolete technology", there'd have been no vinyl revival. Gotta admit that my Beta vcr hasn't seen any use in the last five years, though.:-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Today I purchased four 10 packs of TDK SA90 cassettes at $4.77 each. This was at Costco Wholesale in Phoenix, Az. These same 10 packs were $6.77 one month ago. I believe they will be discontinued once Costco sells out. To my ears, I still prefer the analog cassette tape over digital recording devices. Enjoy your Nakamichi Cassette Deck! -Big Bear ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Sun Sep 16 06:32:31 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:32:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Message-ID: <7e.1adf7a69.28d5855f@aol.com> If you think that the 'death of cassette' is underway here, you should see Japan! Unusual types of metal and other high bias tapes made by all the major manufacturers (Sony, TDK, Maxell, etc.) were HUGE over there as recently as the early 90's. Now cassette tapes in Akihabara and the like only occupy a small corner of most electronics stores. And I mean *small* corner. MD is already much, much bigger than cassettes over there. If I were all of you, I'd start stocking up on your favorite metal tapes now, because the big guys (in Japan at least) are definitely pulling out. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmueller at gdi.net Sun Sep 16 06:39:03 2001 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:39:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <000701c13e4d$d290e680$8e8c9a40@compaq> <00f601c13e50$43221f20$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c13e69$83e13ff0$e6d461d8@primeevil> There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Hey, if it weren't for people like us clinging to so-called "obsolete > technology", there'd have been no vinyl revival. > Gotta admit that my Beta vcr hasn't seen any use in the last five years, > though.:-) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:20 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Today I purchased four 10 packs of TDK SA90 cassettes at $4.77 each. > This was at Costco Wholesale in Phoenix, Az. These same 10 packs were $6.77 > one month ago. > I believe they will be discontinued once Costco sells out. > To my ears, I still prefer the analog cassette tape over digital recording > devices. > Enjoy your Nakamichi Cassette Deck! > -Big Bear > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Sep 16 06:36:42 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:36:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette In-Reply-To: <000701c13e4d$d290e680$8e8c9a40@compaq> Message-ID: I agree with you. When I make cassette dubs of even my very finest LPs the sound quality doesnt suffer at all except for a highly acceptable low level hiss. JCO -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Today I purchased four 10 packs of TDK SA90 cassettes at $4.77 each. This was at Costco Wholesale in Phoenix, Az. These same 10 packs were $6.77 one month ago. I believe they will be discontinued once Costco sells out. To my ears, I still prefer the analog cassette tape over digital recording devices. Enjoy your Nakamichi Cassette Deck! -Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 16 07:15:19 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:15:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <000701c13e4d$d290e680$8e8c9a40@compaq> <00f601c13e50$43221f20$1f3442cf@sank1> <001301c13e69$83e13ff0$e6d461d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <3BA43567.69E798CA@earthlink.net> It started about ten years ago. Jim Volpatti Jim Mueller wrote: > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Hey, if it weren't for people like us clinging to so-called "obsolete > > technology", there'd have been no vinyl revival. > > Gotta admit that my Beta vcr hasn't seen any use in the last five years, > > though.:-) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bigbear69" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:20 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > Today I purchased four 10 packs of TDK SA90 cassettes at $4.77 each. > > This was at Costco Wholesale in Phoenix, Az. These same 10 packs were > $6.77 > > one month ago. > > I believe they will be discontinued once Costco sells out. > > To my ears, I still prefer the analog cassette tape over digital recording > > devices. > > Enjoy your Nakamichi Cassette Deck! > > -Big Bear > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Sep 16 07:28:30 2001 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:28:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette In-Reply-To: <3BA43567.69E798CA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable just last year for example. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > It started about ten years ago. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 16 07:49:00 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:49:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: Message-ID: <3BA43D4C.2747BA88@earthlink.net> Maybe the peak hit about 5 years ago but the revival started about ten years ago Jim Volpatti "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > just last year for example. > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 09:15:39 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:15:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BA4519B.6B7E5C63@yahoo.com> Yes but I'm sure that a modern monolythic Dolby C chip would provide better results. I can't stand tape hiss and would way rather listen to scratches and even skips than hiss. Very fine scratches have a way of complimenting on old recording, giving it a nostalgic quality. Hiss just hisses. Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to the > parameters. > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise reduction. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > Javier > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 > gaps, > > > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the > PB-heads > > > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus > improving > > > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the > 700-II > > > > has > > > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better > erase > > > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are > actually > > > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I > don't > > > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell > you > > > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel > clutch > > > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch > drive > > > > system. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 09:55:52 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:55:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <005201c13e28$919109a0$de289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BA45B08.575BD200@yahoo.com> Any dolby would do I guess but a Nak unit would be even better. BTW: Does anyone know the number of a generic Dolby C chip? Javier Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Javier, you mean external Dolby C unit other than Nak's NR 200 ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a > > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I > > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to > the > > parameters. > > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise > reduction. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 09:58:31 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:58:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: Message-ID: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> Too bad For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! See Ya Javier "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > just last year for example. > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 16 10:41:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:41:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <3BA4519B.6B7E5C63@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015b01c13e8b$6b2d6d40$1f3442cf@sank1> Actually, I'm pretty darn sure that the old discrete Dolby circuitry of the 700, 500, etc., will sound better than even a TEA0652, given a bit of old capacitor replacement. One big problem with Dolby chips is that they appear & disappear as fast as Hitachi power MOSFET's. And almost none of them are compatible with their successors. SO, you might build a Dolby board around a certain chip, like a TEA0652 or CX20187 as my favorites, and find a few years from now that you can't get replacements. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Yes but I'm sure that a modern monolythic Dolby C chip > would provide better results. I can't stand tape hiss > and would way rather listen to scratches and even skips > than hiss. Very fine scratches have a way of complimenting > on old recording, giving it a nostalgic quality. Hiss > just hisses. > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a > > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I > > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to the > > parameters. > > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise reduction. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > > Exactly, Stephen! Unlike 700TT, the erase heads used in 700II have 2 > > gaps, > > > > thus erasing far more better. Plus, you forgot to mention, that the > > PB-heads > > > > used in 700II have narrower gaps, than those used in 700TT, thus > > improving > > > > the PB-capabilities of those monsters still farther. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:51 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > As memory serves, without digging through each one's manuals, the > > 700-II > > > > > has > > > > > an "improved"(not in my opinion) reel drive/clutch system, a better > > erase > > > > > head, and real touch-sense control buttons(the 700's buttons are > > actually > > > > > just very sensitive, narrow gap conventional button switches). I > > don't > > > > > think there are any changes to the audio circuits at all. I can tell > > you > > > > > that I see far fewer problems arise with the 700's belt/idler reel > > clutch > > > > > drive system than I do with the 700-II's belt/magnetic-ball-clutch > > drive > > > > > system. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Matyas" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:04 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick, Stephen > > > > > > What is the exact difference between 700 & 700 II ? > > > > > > Thanks, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > == > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > == > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 11:05:12 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:05:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> Javier Since I Know JCO's table and arm what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 I can't think of anything but since your psychic and also know what it is please do tell Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Too bad > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > See Ya > Javier > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > just last year for example. > > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 11:53:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:53:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> Well An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 A TD125 or 6 with a 309 An old Sondek with an Ittok and your favourite under $1000 cartridge I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. Also, in case you haven't noticed the bottom is falling out on high end stuff It's the new Bin Laden economy Javier Warren wrote: > > Javier > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > and also know what it is please do tell > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Too bad > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > just last year for example. > > > JCO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 12:12:28 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:12:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vertical Vs horizontal cassette placement References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA47B0C.B0C7453C@yahoo.com> Hi I've been wondering about this for awhile. Since I was old enough to record I've been hearing about how it is better to play tapes upright rather than flat. The reason given was usually that tapes played flat tended to jam or tangle. On the other hand It's pretty obvious that cassettes can be situated in furniture while preserving easy tape access far more easily if they are used vertical rather than flat. Considering that the audio world is so full of gimmicks and rationalizations employed in order to reduce mfg costs I'm left to wonder if the change in form factor was really necessary. Is it a take off on reel to reel convention? I remember that flat cassette decks tended to jam alot but then again so did just about all early decks. Also the cassette shells particularly the low and mid priced ones were pretty shabby. I wonder then if there is a real difference in using a good cassette flat or upright. Has anyone experimented with this? See Ya Javier _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 12:16:06 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:16:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> Javier with all due respect your talking out of your hat none of those tables are *better* the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better than the table but its still entry level the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 and the rega kills it the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) As for the bottom dropping out of the high end that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 you could have got better. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Well > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > and > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > the bottom is falling out on > high end stuff > It's the new Bin Laden economy > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > and also know what it is please do tell > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Too bad > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > just last year for example. > > > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 13:06:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:06:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> So the Linn is dated huh. So is vinyl. The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound every bit as good as anything you can come up with. Now who's talking out of his hat. As for the Rega So it's cheaper So what! Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR bearing and platter type and a properly driven motor can be matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor put it in a sound proof box. The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold for about 5000 a year ago. As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not be compensated statically. As for Michel That's a girl's turntable in case you didn't know. :) See Ya Javier Warren wrote: > > Javier > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > none of those tables are *better* > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > than the table but its still entry level > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > and the rega kills it > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > you could have got better. > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Well > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > and > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > the bottom is falling out on > > high end stuff > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > Javier > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > Javier > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > Warren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > JCO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 16 14:47:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:47:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the info Stephen. I was looking to find which one is static chip when I noted a chip with corroded pin 22 (voltage related ?), it was so bad that pin is broken on the moulding. Exactly the memory chip. :-( So far for the best wishes, Matyas. I connected the broken pin to get the voltage going, but still bad recording, maybe the chip is already bad. Will replace IC 809 and 806 soon and hopefully find an NEC 5101 memory chip. BTW is there supposed to be a jumper cable from CP4 ABLE lower board to one of bias setting 4508 chip on upper board ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > The erase & bias signals are derived from a crystal oscillator, IC807 & > divider, IC806. Frequency on bias outputs should be 105kHz, measured at > either pin of C105/C205. IC301 is the bias amp for L&R, with signal coming > from IC809, then from IC806. IC101 & IC201 are the bias level controllers. > The only memory is the uPD5101 chip, IC702, next to the ABLE CPU, IC701. > There is no way to disable the ABLE circuit that I know of, or that the > manual mentions. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 16 14:52:42 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:52:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <005201c13e28$919109a0$de289bca@smarzuki> <3BA45B08.575BD200@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c13eae$7a196200$24289bca@smarzuki> I've seen some NR200 on ebay for a good price. To me that's a good unit - uses LA(?)2730 dolby chip on the insides, and you get LED metering as well to complement your 700 needle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Any dolby would do I guess > but a Nak unit would be even better. > BTW: Does anyone know the number > of a generic Dolby C chip? > Javier > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Javier, you mean external Dolby C unit other than Nak's NR 200 ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as a > > > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far as I > > > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications to > > the > > > parameters. > > > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise > > reduction. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 15:27:19 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:27:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <005201c13e28$919109a0$de289bca@smarzuki> <3BA45B08.575BD200@yahoo.com> <001701c13eae$7a196200$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BA4A8B7.FD2FE8DD@yahoo.com> Thanks Salim I'll think about picking one up as soon as I get more money. It's better than fiddling with PCB etching! Javier Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I've seen some NR200 on ebay for a good price. To me that's a good unit - > uses LA(?)2730 dolby chip on the insides, and you get LED metering as well > to complement your 700 needle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > Any dolby would do I guess > > but a Nak unit would be even better. > > BTW: Does anyone know the number > > of a generic Dolby C chip? > > Javier > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Javier, you mean external Dolby C unit other than Nak's NR 200 ? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > Theoretically, one could adapt the Dolby B board from a 500 to act as > a > > > > second stage to the 700's Dolby B, to create a Dolby C board. As far > as I > > > > know, Dolby C is basically doubled B, with little or no modifications > to > > > the > > > > parameters. > > > > Personally, I have come to realise that I greatly prefer no noise > > > reduction. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've often thought it would be a great idea > > > > > to design and build a pair of Dolby C boards for > > > > > the 700. Has anybody tried that? Currently I'm > > > > > using a pair of B215s for all my taping but would > > > > > prefer the old 700s if they only had Dolby C. > > > > > > > > > > BTW: Does anybody make ane external Dolby C unit? > > > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 17:05:04 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:05:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] This TT is good, that TT is bad ... In-Reply-To: <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c13ec0$f72f4e00$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Ha! Ha! All this fighting over what is and is not a good TT ... .... Reminds me of a conversation I had not so long ago with a certain owner/designer of/at a very well known UK TT manufacturer. I mentioned that I had acquired an old 1960's Goldring Lenco 75 TT for playing 78s. "Oh! You don't want one of them," he said. "They are terrible! That was my first turntable and they have dreadful rumble! I got rid of it as soon as I could ...." A day or so later I was speaking to one of the older guys at Technical & General, where they still make spare parts for Lenco TTs. I said that I was contemplating renovating the TT but was wondering if I might have bought a dog, given my conversation with the other guy. "What problem did he have?" my friend enquired. "Terrible rumble..." I replied. He laughed. "Oh, yes - it was a common problem .... caused by the owners not reading the instructions properly ...." ????!!!! He explained that the Lenco's have a curious anchoring arrangement for securing the TT for safe shipping. There are 5 screws. All have to be loosened. Three are turned anti-clockwise and the other two are turned clockwise. Trouble was/is many people turned one set anti-clockwise and thought the others had already been turned because they were already as far as they could go anti-clockwise, not realising they should be turned in the other direction!!! And the result .... he then explained, "If one set are not loosened .... you get terrible rumble...." Funny thing is, if that guy had not had such a bad experience with his GL75 TT he might never have become a reknowned TT designed and manufacturer ... and the course of hi fi in the UK might have been rather different. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 16 September 2001 12:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette So the Linn is dated huh. So is vinyl. The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound every bit as good as anything you can come up with. Now who's talking out of his hat. As for the Rega So it's cheaper So what! Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR bearing and platter type and a properly driven motor can be matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor put it in a sound proof box. The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold for about 5000 a year ago. As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not be compensated statically. As for Michel That's a girl's turntable in case you didn't know. :) See Ya Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 17:05:00 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:05:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette In-Reply-To: <001301c13e69$83e13ff0$e6d461d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <000d01c13ec0$f517b8a0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Where you been, Jim? ;o) There has been a number of specialist vinyl pressing companies spring up and some of the biggers guys even dusted off their old presses, too. Plus, every month in the UK hi fi press seems to see a new record deck being launched. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Mueller Sent: 16 September 2001 05:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) - ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 17:05:02 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:05:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette In-Reply-To: <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c13ec0$f61b1ee0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Get that RB300 upgraded by Origin Live and be AMAZED at the results! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 16 September 2001 10:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Well An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 A TD125 or 6 with a 309 An old Sondek with an Ittok and your favourite under $1000 cartridge I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. Also, in case you haven't noticed the bottom is falling out on high end stuff It's the new Bin Laden economy Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 17:05:06 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:05:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. In-Reply-To: <001701c13eae$7a196200$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001001c13ec0$f875d7c0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Are you suggesting that the external NR200 may be superior as a filter system than an in-built Nak Dolby B or C? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 16 September 2001 13:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. I've seen some NR200 on ebay for a good price. To me that's a good unit - uses LA(?)2730 dolby chip on the insides, and you get LED metering as well to complement your 700 needle. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 16:11:52 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:11:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <004801c13e23$90d2dc00$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: The psycho 600II is an animal given to a friend of mine, just for the having the object in his collection, this 600II being declared dead years ago by many services. The same day he received the deck, my buddy come to me to show his dead gift. I plugged it to AC and it was working fine, despite it was from many many years it haven't been powered up. He 'd taken it at home and in confidence he was watching its last minutes of sanity. By now, when you power it up, the capstan motor run reverse with crazy speed. You actionate the play button, then the motor stop to spin, restart when stop is operated. No FFW nor F-REW are possible. As you'd recommended me 2 years ago, I checked for bend leaf switch, oxidation... none of that was the problem's source... the deck have never wanted to be kind like its first time in my hands, that naughty beast ! On a sonic point, it seems to me that the 600II was better than my recently given 700II. This conforts me on the worth of the 700II repair. (this 700II have also a tape tension trouble! but I prefer to wait before to give details on.) Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" > I don't think the II has a different Pb head than the TT. I have certainly > never measured a difference in response, beyond wear factors. > What is a "psychotic 600II"? And, no, it has a R/P wider gap head, which > only looks like the 700 pb head. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:33:19 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:33:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Yes Salim, I live at Geneve ! It is obvious I can order them a copy, I was yet knowing by Fendt Klaus and all, that their copies are excellent. For the 1000zxl, things are quite different because the diagrams are difficult to copy, reason for I asked Stephen before. I asked our Swiss Nak repair centre to send me the diagrams, at that time I didn't dare to ask them also the adjustment steps :-( All the way, as these guys are kind, they don't ask you to pay for Xeroxes they made, they would surely have do it whether I had dared to ask for. As Stephen mention, strange how they can earn their living with such low prices! I will order quickly before their politics starts to change ! I don't know about this scope, but If it have 2 signal inputs and btw can scan in YX(I think any 2 inputs scope are XY scan able), it is just perfect for namikaze-tool !!! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Hi Matyas ... you are good at mindreading ! That's my thought when reading > nakamikaze-tools but chose not to comment :-( . I made tape on 'untouched' > CR7 and it worked quite well. Anyway I found a used 10mhz Kenwood 'scope > C25xx for $200, is it any good ? > > Those schaltungsdienst manuals are excellent ! Less thick manuals - CR4 - > was even cheaper and travelled half the globe in just one week. You're > close to Berlin, probably only takes 1-2 days. (are you in Geneve ?) > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 21:04:04 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:04:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <001001c13ec0$f875d7c0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001e01c13e19$30a356c0$f7289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, this is getting dillematic ... I deleted previous thread and now it's too short. In short :-), Javier asked if we know of an external dolby C unit to mate with his 700 (TT/II ?). imho built in ones are better simply because of shorter cables. Javier, I agree with you on getting 'off the shelf NR200' - even with my low earnings per hour, it will cost much less than trying to build one properly. :-) I planned to add 15k test tone on my NR ... and it remains a plan. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > Are you suggesting that the external NR200 may be superior as a filter > system than an in-built Nak Dolby B or C? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 16 September 2001 13:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > > > > I've seen some NR200 on ebay for a good price. To me that's a good unit - > uses LA(?)2730 dolby chip on the insides, and you get LED metering as well > to complement your 700 needle. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 18:12:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:12:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! How did you consider this set up ? Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 18:16:04 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:16:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Ouch! let me some time to examine the shematics. A first though: replace all 4066 around the REC amplifier !!! Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" > Thanks for the info Stephen. > > I was looking to find which one is static chip when I noted a chip with > corroded pin 22 (voltage related ?), it was so bad that pin is broken on the > moulding. Exactly the memory chip. :-( So far for the best wishes, > Matyas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 21:26:05 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:26:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002f01c13e1c$43dc4500$f7289bca@smarzuki> Matyas, I will call you psychic owner of psychotic 600II. First the scope and now ZXL static ram chip ! (I know the 600 is your friend's ... maybe you should consider getting it from him) And please don't mention bad things from now on. :-) Sorry for the confusion re: schaltungsdienst, but ever since I receive my first manual, I start promoting them everywhere (apparently in wrong group now). My contact is Herr Jaghzies, a very nice person. More than one time he scanned the cover pages for me to make sure I receive the right model. By the way, could you please tell me how to adjust the ZXL speed ? Through motor's 'peephole' or thru a small trimpot on pcb attached to transport ? I put on OP275 on both pb + line amp and finetune head positioning again .... what a deck ! Head position is almost spot on, thanks again. Too bad it can't record - yet. Just curious, what's your story on static ram chip ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > Yes Salim, I live at Geneve ! > It is obvious I can order them a copy, I was yet knowing by Fendt Klaus and > all, that their copies are excellent. For the 1000zxl, things are quite > different because the diagrams are difficult to copy, reason for I asked > Stephen before. I asked our Swiss Nak repair centre to send me the diagrams, > at that time I didn't dare to ask them also the adjustment steps :-( > All the way, as these guys are kind, they don't ask you to pay for Xeroxes > they made, they would surely have do it whether I had dared to ask for. > > As Stephen mention, strange how they can earn their living with such low > prices! > I will order quickly before their politics starts to change ! > > I don't know about this scope, but If it have 2 signal inputs and btw can > scan in YX(I think any 2 inputs scope are XY scan able), it is just perfect > for namikaze-tool !!! > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 18:41:31 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables including regas own 25 and 9 > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new so now your changing the rules ... > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and graham don't. > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) Warren > See Ya > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > none of those tables are *better* > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > than the table but its still entry level > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > and the rega kills it > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > you could have got better. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Well > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > and > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > high end stuff > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.stager at verizon.net Sun Sep 16 18:58:14 2001 From: marc.stager at verizon.net (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:58:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S In-Reply-To: <015b01c13e8b$6b2d6d40$1f3442cf@sank1> References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <3BA4519B.6B7E5C63@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010916125357.00a8d010@mail.verizon.net> Steve, Any idea how to implement Dolby S? This is by far the best Dolby noise reduction for cassettes. SR would be easy to do with an external processor but would be too costly. If you need some of those Hitachi MosFets, email me. I have about a dozen on hand ____________________________ Marc Stager At 9/16/01, you wrote: >Actually, I'm pretty darn sure that the old discrete Dolby circuitry of the >700, 500, etc., will sound better than even a TEA0652, given a bit of old >capacitor replacement. >One big problem with Dolby chips is that they appear & disappear as fast as >Hitachi power MOSFET's. And almost none of them are compatible with their >successors. SO, you might build a Dolby board around a certain chip, like a >TEA0652 or CX20187 as my favorites, and find a few years from now that you >can't get replacements. > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 21:58:15 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:58:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <000d01c13ec0$f517b8a0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004a01c13e20$c2610ba0$f7289bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, My English is not that good .... but isn't this what they call "a successful troll" ? :-) Ah, I don't know, maybe that came from spending too much time on rao. Anyways .... it's refreshing to hear my beloved 125 categorized as junk ! Almost forgot, there are tons of used 3009 on Hifi World backpages for heartbreaking price .... would it be possible to get one through you ? Just wishful thinking. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Where you been, Jim? ;o) There has been a number of specialist vinyl > pressing companies spring up and some of the biggers guys even dusted off > their old presses, too. Plus, every month in the UK hi fi press seems to > see a new record deck being launched. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Mueller > Sent: 16 September 2001 05:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 19:06:27 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:06:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA4DC13.DB270160@yahoo.com> The TD160 is a classic table. It's not what the elites would call high end but can be made to sound great. It too can be made to sound better than a 5000 dollar table and perhaps even a 10000 dollar one. My friend has had one for years and is very happy with it. As for the Shure, I've only had one and it was years ago. Shures generally sound decent and their top of the line model is said by some (mostly Americans)to be the best mm cartridge out there. Be careful when buying a cartridge there is a lot of high priced junk out there with magical though unquantifiable sonic properties. Currently I'm using a so-so bluepoint on a TD126 with a Linn Basik arm and an ortofon OM with a premier ft/4 on a td124. The BP is too bright for my taste A lot of people love that one but I think it's mostly hype and I like the OM better. It's mellower at least for me and makes my wallet less airey yet more defined. It's also a great compromise for my musical which include "hard" classical music, heavy rock and nothing else. The BP by comparison is way too tinny (yes it's setup right) and the cantilever is designed to break off if you look at it funny. The important thing is to setup your table properly. Make sure the pivot to stylus distance and stylus angle are exactly correct. Set the tracking force correctly and then play with the antiskate until both channels are balanced or to whatever the mfg suggests. I'm fairly certain that 99.9% of all upgrades from good tables to super highend ones are brought about by faulty setup procedures. See Ya Javier BTW: there is a turntable group called TERES teres at aiko.com Matyas wrote: > > Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with > a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! > How did you consider this set up ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sun Sep 16 21:07:51 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:07:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <026101c13ee2$e2a3c840$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> just have to pipe in here... I have an Ariston RD-11s with a signet XK50 arm and a sigma 2 MC... wife hates it, she uses the B&O 8002 table I picked up for $75.... what surpises me is my wifes interest in vinyl, a non-audiphile that can hear the difference. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 19:22:01 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:22:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. In-Reply-To: <001e01c13e19$30a356c0$f7289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001301c13ed4$18f9d6a0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Ah!!!! Understood!! ;o) Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 15 September 2001 20:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. Hi Graham, this is getting dillematic ... I deleted previous thread and now it's too short. In short :-), Javier asked if we know of an external dolby C unit to mate with his 700 (TT/II ?). imho built in ones are better simply because of shorter cables. Javier, I agree with you on getting 'off the shelf NR200' - even with my low earnings per hour, it will cost much less than trying to build one properly. :-) I planned to add 15k test tone on my NR ... and it remains a plan. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 19:22:04 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:22:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TT - OT !! In-Reply-To: <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001401c13ed4$1a7be2c0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> One has to be careful, tho' Warren. IMHO there may be as much of the snake oil selling in the TT market as their is in the cable one! For example, take a PT Anniversary (£2k) with an SME V arm (£1k?) and a VDH grasshopper cartridge (nearly £4k.) In total, £7k, which (in my book) is a heck of a lot of dosh!!! I have heard this combination with a cheaper cartridge and it was unbelievably good, like - as several people more experienced than I - said, "So clear as if you were hearing the master tape - why you can sometimes even hear the master tape's hiss...". With the Grasshopper I would expect it to be even better. I find it hard to believe, let alone imagine, that any TT combination above £7k would sound any BETTER than that, and I'm darned sure many a cheaper one could come close to it. It's a bit like watches, isn't it? You can pay $10 or £10,000 for a watch but the the $10 watch is just as accurate as the the expensive one. Why, I know of watches that sell in Russia for $10 that are dressed up in a slightly different suit and sold in the UK for $300. Or, perhaps it's like a Leica M6 camera compared with a Voiglander range finder camera at a fraction of the price of the Leica; in the right hands, they can both produce superb pictures. Seems to me it's the same with TT's - much (most?) of the cost of the "better" TTs goes into the quality of engineering, the cosmetics and the "packaging" of it. To give a TT example, with a bit of physical tweaking and changing the phono lead, I believe I have managed to improve my ancient Lenco 78, with a modest MM Ortofon M40 cartridge so that it is a match for a Pink Triangle TOO TT with Origin Live modified RB300 tome arm and the DMN Rega MM cartridge. Total cost of the Lenco with modifications: c. £100 (I bought the TT for £15). The PT TOO with (original) RB 300 (which I bought for £300, then with a Shure VST-V cartridge): c. £550. However, the Lenco is a temperamental bitch of a machine that requires frequent adjustment to get "just right". Similarly, the Linn LP12 is also very fussy about how it's set up. If it's not done just right it sounds like a dog! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 16 September 2001 17:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables including regas own 25 and 9 > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new so now your changing the rules ... > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and graham don't. > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 15 22:33:37 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:33:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <026101c13ee2$e2a3c840$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <005e01c13e25$b30d7440$f7289bca@smarzuki> HI Erie, Which one for $75 ? The Beogram ? Any chance to find decent condition MMC2/1 for a reasonable price ? Thanks. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > just have to pipe in here... > > I have an Ariston RD-11s with a signet XK50 arm > and a sigma 2 MC... > > wife hates it, she uses the B&O 8002 table I > picked up for $75.... > > what surpises me is my wifes interest in vinyl, > a non-audiphile that can hear the difference. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 19:40:23 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:40:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BA4E407.A9317CC8@yahoo.com> The Linn is simply a design that seems to work. It's a compleatly standard table form-factor wise and plays well. There's nothing extraordinary about the design but it sounds great out of the box with any Linn arm If by dated you mean that it doesn't have a multi belt drive or easy leveling knobs then I guess it's dated. but it sounds great. Personally I think they just got lucky and were able to capitalize on it like crazy. I don't think I'de ever buy any other Linn product on account of the table. The Valhalla board is a nightmare. Mine is knocked out and I haven't been able to diagnose it yet. It just sizzled and smoked like a defective firecracker. The Td 125 can sound great if you select your armboard carefully (MDF or ply) and use it with a decent arm and cartridge match. keeping in mind that a great arm on one table can absolutely suck on another equally good table. Ditto for cartridges. The outer platter fits somewhat loosely on the inner onbe though so it's sometimes necessary to use paint or something on the inner lip to reduce the diameter and tighten the fit to Linn standards. Most people get the TNT3 with the standard arm. It sounds great out of the box because that arm happens to be an excellent match for it. Not because either piece happens to be superlative independently. This is similar to what Linn did. Most Sondeks were sold with Linn arms. as were a lot of the better fixed arm tables. It's all a question of playing and matching IMHO It's also half the fun. You know women who like vinyl????? Wow! Javier Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 > to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > > > As for the Rega > > So it's cheaper > > So what! > Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables > including regas own 25 and 9 > > > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > > bearing > > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > > put it in a sound proof box. > No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > > > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > > for about 5000 a year ago. > > but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new > so now your changing the rules ... > > > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > > be compensated statically. > > have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the > various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported > record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable > new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear > one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and > graham don't. > > > As for Michel > > That's a girl's turntable > > in case you didn't know. > > :) > > Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) > > Warren > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > Javier > > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > > none of those tables are *better* > > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > > than the table but its still entry level > > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > > and the rega kills it > > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > > you could have got better. > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > Well > > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > > high end stuff > > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > > Warren > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > > See Ya > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 > and > > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 19:43:09 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:43:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <026101c13ee2$e2a3c840$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <3BA4E4AD.23A967E6@yahoo.com> Wives have extraordinary hearing. My wife can consistently pick out the cheaper component. Javier erie patsellis wrote: > > just have to pipe in here... > > I have an Ariston RD-11s with a signet XK50 arm > and a sigma 2 MC... > > wife hates it, she uses the B&O 8002 table I > picked up for $75.... > > what surpises me is my wifes interest in vinyl, > a non-audiphile that can hear the difference. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 19:42:08 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:42:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01c13ed6$e8ad9ce0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with > a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! > How did you consider this set up ? > Regards, Matyas > The 160 is a nice table, it was derived from the 150 which may or may not be the basis for the Linn. Its much better than the 166 and later tables which arm came with the table? This table depending on arm is equivilent to the rega when set up properly. That includes making sure the belt is in good shape, that the suspension is set up properly and the arm and cartridge are aligned properly. if you need a source for parts,let me knowwhere you are and I'll give you a name. Thorens is in transition right now (meaning they went bankrupt) but they used to have parts. Was the cartridge new or used, if used I would at least get a new stylus. If you give me the type of arm on the table I can suggest a few other choices Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 20:08:23 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:08:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TT - OT !! References: <001401c13ed4$1a7be2c0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BA4EA97.7F7B6A81@yahoo.com> The M6 has a longer bade RF than the Voightlander and can focus the fast 50s and the longer lenses a lot more accurately. I agree with you about the watches though. It's unbvelievable what some people are willing to pay for a watch. Audio is like that but with a qualification, you pay more for better sound or so we are told. I guess the watch guys are more honest with themselves. I've never heard a Rolex owner claim his sub is more accurate than a Swatch. In audio you really pay for the packaging like nowhere else though. It's incredible how great those coponents with heavy cabinets sound! It reminds me of how great the Phase Linear Series 2 look sounds! Javier Graham Nelson wrote: > > One has to be careful, tho' Warren. IMHO there may be as much of the snake > oil selling in the TT market as their is in the cable one! For example, > take a PT Anniversary (£2k) with an SME V arm (£1k?) and a VDH grasshopper > cartridge (nearly £4k.) In total, £7k, which (in my book) is a heck of a > lot of dosh!!! I have heard this combination with a cheaper cartridge and > it was unbelievably good, like - as several people more experienced than I - > said, "So clear as if you were hearing the master tape - why you can > sometimes even hear the master tape's hiss...". With the Grasshopper I > would expect it to be even better. I find it hard to believe, let alone > imagine, that any TT combination above £7k would sound any BETTER than that, > and I'm darned sure many a cheaper one could come close to it. > > It's a bit like watches, isn't it? You can pay $10 or £10,000 for a watch > but the the $10 watch is just as accurate as the the expensive one. Why, I > know of watches that sell in Russia for $10 that are dressed up in a > slightly different suit and sold in the UK for $300. Or, perhaps it's like > a Leica M6 camera compared with a Voiglander range finder camera at a > fraction of the price of the Leica; in the right hands, they can both > produce superb pictures. Seems to me it's the same with TT's - much (most?) > of the cost of the "better" TTs goes into the quality of engineering, the > cosmetics and the "packaging" of it. To give a TT example, with a bit of > physical tweaking and changing the phono lead, I believe I have managed to > improve my ancient Lenco 78, with a modest MM Ortofon M40 cartridge so that > it is a match for a Pink Triangle TOO TT with Origin Live modified RB300 > tome arm and the DMN Rega MM cartridge. Total cost of the Lenco with > modifications: c. £100 (I bought the TT for £15). The PT TOO with > (original) RB 300 (which I bought for £300, then with a Shure VST-V > cartridge): c. £550. > > However, the Lenco is a temperamental bitch of a machine that requires > frequent adjustment to get "just right". Similarly, the Linn LP12 is also > very fussy about how it's set up. If it's not done just right it sounds > like a dog! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: 16 September 2001 17:42 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 > to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > > > As for the Rega > > So it's cheaper > > So what! > Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables > including regas own 25 and 9 > > > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > > bearing > > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > > put it in a sound proof box. > No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > > > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > > for about 5000 a year ago. > > but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new > so now your changing the rules ... > > > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > > be compensated statically. > > have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the > various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported > record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable > new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear > one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and > graham don't. > > > As for Michel > > That's a girl's turntable > > in case you didn't know. > > :) > > Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) > > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 16 20:17:34 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:17:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TD160 et al ... In-Reply-To: <3BA4DC13.DB270160@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c13edb$db86f7a0$db0a893e@a4s1s2> Tip for making a cheap cartridge sound better .... latex glue a small piece of Sorbothane on each side of the cartridge body and also try putting some on the head, too. With less robust arms than a Rega, also try snaking a strip of Sorbothane around the length of the arm. The Sorbo' cuts down much of the unwanted resonance that the better cartridges and arms combat so effectively. Another tip ... stick a heavier counter weight on the arm so as to shift the centre of balance so the counter weight has to be much closer to the pivot than it is at present. And to keep this on topic, I've also found a piece of Sorbothane sandwiched gently between the cassette deck door and the cassette itself also helps, too ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 16 September 2001 18:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette The TD160 is a classic table. It's not what the elites would call high end but can be made to sound great. It too can be made to sound better than a 5000 dollar table and perhaps even a 10000 dollar one. My friend has had one for years and is very happy with it. As for the Shure, I've only had one and it was years ago. Shures generally sound decent and their top of the line model is said by some (mostly Americans)to be the best mm cartridge out there. Be careful when buying a cartridge there is a lot of high priced junk out there with magical though unquantifiable sonic properties. Currently I'm using a so-so bluepoint on a TD126 with a Linn Basik arm and an ortofon OM with a premier ft/4 on a td124. The BP is too bright for my taste A lot of people love that one but I think it's mostly hype and I like the OM better. It's mellower at least for me and makes my wallet less airey yet more defined. It's also a great compromise for my musical which include "hard" classical music, heavy rock and nothing else. The BP by comparison is way too tinny (yes it's setup right) and the cantilever is designed to break off if you look at it funny. The important thing is to setup your table properly. Make sure the pivot to stylus distance and stylus angle are exactly correct. Set the tracking force correctly and then play with the antiskate until both channels are balanced or to whatever the mfg suggests. I'm fairly certain that 99.9% of all upgrades from good tables to super highend ones are brought about by faulty setup procedures. See Ya Javier BTW: there is a turntable group called TERES teres at aiko.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Sun Sep 16 20:54:23 2001 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:54:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA4F55F.1A2B109F@snip.net> Now boys, calm down. As a current owner of a VPI with a Graham arm and a benz cartridge, I do like it and am quite satisfied, BUT I have gotten good results in the past with: Oracle table with Souther arm & various catridges Revox B-790 with various cartidges--my purist friends sneered, but it was bullet proof and since then I've always liked straight line tracking arms Linn Sondek with a grace arm Various beograms various Duals and the original AT turntable--my first purist table way back in 1966 or so Note I went from the Linn (which was Abolute Sound's top table back then in the late 70's) to the Revox with a specially mounted Grace F-9E and liked it much more. Belt drive vs direct drive, straight line vs radial pivoted arms--sure there's a debate, BUT if the turntable and arm are well engineered and if your combo is properly set up, it's the best thing we have to experiencing the original recorded event. Incidentally, a much less expensive combination of arm and table if well matched and properly set up will outperform the most expensive combination if it's not proerly matched and set up. Why do you think the old AR turnatble sounded so good? It was inexpensive, did not use the best parts ( a light base and a platter which could ring) but it was a tremendously welll designed turntable and arm combination into which a variety of cartridges could be accurately mounted. As a result, it simply sounded good. Javier Perez wrote: > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! > > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. > > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. > > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. > > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) > > See Ya > Javier > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > none of those tables are *better* > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > than the table but its still entry level > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > and the rega kills it > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > you could have got better. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Well > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > and > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > high end stuff > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktrogers at execulink.com Sun Sep 16 17:16:47 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:16:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <3BA4F55F.1A2B109F@snip.net> Message-ID: <005301c13ec2$9c1fecc0$e005efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Smokevitch To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Hello all. After years of experimenting with different Turntable/Arm/Cartridge combinations, I have settled on the Linn LP12/Lingo/Ekos/Arkive combination. To my ears It sounds more like tape than any other combo I have heard and I have never had any problem with it going out of set up. I believe that many tables can sound great, just find what you like and don't be too judgemental on what others listen to. As this is a Nakamichi group aren't we moving way off topic? BTW does anyone have a 580R IR remote for sale or know where I can find one? Kevin Rogers Now boys, calm down. As a current owner of a VPI with a Graham arm and a benz cartridge, I do like it and am quite satisfied, BUT I have gotten good results in the past with: Oracle table with Souther arm & various catridges Revox B-790 with various cartidges--my purist friends sneered, but it was bullet proof and since then I've always liked straight line tracking arms Linn Sondek with a grace arm Various beograms various Duals and the original AT turntable--my first purist table way back in 1966 or so Note I went from the Linn (which was Abolute Sound's top table back then in the late 70's) to the Revox with a specially mounted Grace F-9E and liked it much more. Belt drive vs direct drive, straight line vs radial pivoted arms--sure there's a debate, BUT if the turntable and arm are well engineered and if your combo is properly set up, it's the best thing we have to experiencing the original recorded event. Incidentally, a much less expensive combination of arm and table if well matched and properly set up will outperform the most expensive combination if it's not proerly matched and set up. Why do you think the old AR turnatble sounded so good? It was inexpensive, did not use the best parts ( a light base and a platter which could ring) but it was a tremendously welll designed turntable and arm combination into which a variety of cartridges could be accurately mounted. As a result, it simply sounded good. Javier Perez wrote: So the Linn is dated huh. So is vinyl. The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound every bit as good as anything you can come up with. Now who's talking out of his hat. As for the Rega So it's cheaper So what! Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR bearing and platter type and a properly driven motor can be matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor put it in a sound proof box. The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold for about 5000 a year ago. As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not be compensated statically. As for Michel That's a girl's turntable in case you didn't know. :) See Ya Javier Warren wrote: > > Javier > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > none of those tables are *better* > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > than the table but its still entry level > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > and the rega kills it > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > you could have got better. > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Well > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > and > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > the bottom is falling out on > > high end stuff > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > Javier > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > Javier > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > Warren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > JCO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? 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URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 18:41:31 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables including regas own 25 and 9 > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new so now your changing the rules ... > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and graham don't. > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) Warren > See Ya > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > none of those tables are *better* > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > than the table but its still entry level > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > and the rega kills it > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > you could have got better. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Well > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > and > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > high end stuff > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 17 00:34:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:34:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3BA33B3D.70C84E2E@yahoo.com> <004e01c13e23$e435e7c0$1f3442cf@sank1> <3BA4519B.6B7E5C63@yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010916125357.00a8d010@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <01d301c13eff$bde57a40$1f3442cf@sank1> Doing Dolby S should be an equal effort to doing a chip Dolby C circuit, BUT, I have not yet heard a Dolby S chip that doesn't suck on sonic performance. As I have said before, when it comes to DAC chips, Dolby chips, etc., the constant trend of cost reduction in manufacturing has yielded "higher technology" that, in many, many cases, doesn't sound as good as the "obsolete technology". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dolby S > Steve, > > Any idea how to implement Dolby S? This is by far the best Dolby > noise reduction for cassettes. SR would be easy to do with an > external processor but would be too costly. > > If you need some of those Hitachi MosFets, email me. I have > about a dozen on hand > ____________________________ Marc Stager > > > At 9/16/01, you wrote: > >Actually, I'm pretty darn sure that the old discrete Dolby circuitry of the > >700, 500, etc., will sound better than even a TEA0652, given a bit of old > >capacitor replacement. > >One big problem with Dolby chips is that they appear & disappear as fast as > >Hitachi power MOSFET's. And almost none of them are compatible with their > >successors. SO, you might build a Dolby board around a certain chip, like a > >TEA0652 or CX20187 as my favorites, and find a few years from now that you > >can't get replacements. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 17 00:45:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:45:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> Pin 22 of the 5101 SRAM chip is the power supply input. Can't imagine why it would be corroded unless there has been some chemical contamination(water, leakage from a nearby electrolytic cap, and ?), but you clearly need to work hard at finding the source of this. The replacement need not be an NEC. The chips I found for it were Philips PC5101. It is a common old 256x4bit static RAM chip. The only hitch is that some other versions were the narrow package DIP. The PC5101 is at least one that is wide like the NEC, but I don't know which others are. They were less than $3 each from a computer chip supplier that Klaus found on the web for me. The CP-4 terminal is the initial reset line from the power supply board. There is no evidence in the manual & no memory in my head of the line being additionally connected to the other ABLE board. Sounds like somebody was trying to solve a problem with a patch, rather than fix things properly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > Thanks for the info Stephen. > > I was looking to find which one is static chip when I noted a chip with > corroded pin 22 (voltage related ?), it was so bad that pin is broken on the > moulding. Exactly the memory chip. :-( So far for the best wishes, > Matyas. > > I connected the broken pin to get the voltage going, but still bad > recording, maybe the chip is already bad. Will replace IC 809 and 806 soon > and hopefully find an NEC 5101 memory chip. BTW is there supposed to be a > jumper cable from CP4 ABLE lower board to one of bias setting 4508 chip on > upper board ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > > > The erase & bias signals are derived from a crystal oscillator, IC807 & > > divider, IC806. Frequency on bias outputs should be 105kHz, measured at > > either pin of C105/C205. IC301 is the bias amp for L&R, with signal > coming > > from IC809, then from IC806. IC101 & IC201 are the bias level > controllers. > > The only memory is the uPD5101 chip, IC702, next to the ABLE CPU, IC701. > > There is no way to disable the ABLE circuit that I know of, or that the > > manual mentions. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 17 00:55:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:55:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5786@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <004801c13e23$90d2dc00$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01fd01c13f02$a7ab7240$1f3442cf@sank1> Wow, that is one messed up 600! Sounds like the motor servo, which is external to the motor, is partially cooked. Probably quite fixable, though. There's just a handful of transistors, caps & resistors to check/replace. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, S.O.S. > The psycho 600II is an animal given to a friend of mine, just for the having > the object in his collection, this 600II being declared dead years ago by > many services. The same day he received the deck, my buddy come to me to > show his dead gift. I plugged it to AC and it was working fine, despite it > was from many many years it haven't been powered up. > He 'd taken it at home and in confidence he was watching its last minutes of > sanity. By now, when you power it up, the capstan motor run reverse with > crazy speed. You actionate the play button, then the motor stop to spin, > restart when stop is operated. > No FFW nor F-REW are possible. As you'd recommended me 2 years ago, I > checked for bend leaf switch, oxidation... none of that was the problem's > source... the deck have never wanted to be kind like its first time in my > hands, that naughty beast ! > > On a sonic point, it seems to me that the 600II was better than my recently > given 700II. This conforts me on the worth of the 700II repair. (this 700II > have also a tape tension trouble! but I prefer to wait before to give > details on.) > > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > > I don't think the II has a different Pb head than the TT. I have > certainly > > never measured a difference in response, beyond wear factors. > > What is a "psychotic 600II"? And, no, it has a R/P wider gap head, which > > only looks like the 700 pb head. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 17 01:06:09 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:06:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> <002f01c13e1c$43dc4500$f7289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <021c01c13f04$2cba23e0$1f3442cf@sank1> Speed adjust is VR501 on the small board mounted near the motor. Be sure the front panel pitch control is centered before adjusting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > Matyas, I will call you psychic owner of psychotic 600II. First the scope > and now ZXL static ram chip ! (I know the 600 is your friend's ... maybe > you should consider getting it from him) And please don't mention bad > things from now on. :-) > > Sorry for the confusion re: schaltungsdienst, but ever since I receive my > first manual, I start promoting them everywhere (apparently in wrong group > now). My contact is Herr Jaghzies, a very nice person. More than one time > he scanned the cover pages for me to make sure I receive the right model. > > By the way, could you please tell me how to adjust the ZXL speed ? Through > motor's 'peephole' or thru a small trimpot on pcb attached to transport ? I > put on OP275 on both pb + line amp and finetune head positioning again .... > what a deck ! Head position is almost spot on, thanks again. Too bad it > can't record - yet. Just curious, what's your story on static ram chip ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > Yes Salim, I live at Geneve ! > > It is obvious I can order them a copy, I was yet knowing by Fendt Klaus > and > > all, that their copies are excellent. For the 1000zxl, things are quite > > different because the diagrams are difficult to copy, reason for I asked > > Stephen before. I asked our Swiss Nak repair centre to send me the > diagrams, > > at that time I didn't dare to ask them also the adjustment steps :-( > > All the way, as these guys are kind, they don't ask you to pay for Xeroxes > > they made, they would surely have do it whether I had dared to ask for. > > > > As Stephen mention, strange how they can earn their living with such low > > prices! > > I will order quickly before their politics starts to change ! > > > > I don't know about this scope, but If it have 2 signal inputs and btw can > > scan in YX(I think any 2 inputs scope are XY scan able), it is just > perfect > > for namikaze-tool !!! > > Regards, Matyas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 01:31:30 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 01:31:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual Message-ID: On by a search on Schaltungsdienst, they propose us two version of this manual, which one to choose ? What is PG : E or I ? no manufacture manual model remarks language arcticle-No part-no PG 2 NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL 1000ZXL 1093468 E 3 NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL 1000ZXL 50,-DM 1093469 I Thanks, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual > > On by a search on Schaltungsdienst, they propose us two version of this > manual, which one to choose ? > What is PG : E or I ? > > no manufacture manual model remarks language arcticle-No part-no PG > 2 NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL 1000ZXL 1093468 E > 3 NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL 1000ZXL 50,-DM 1093469 I > > Thanks, Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 18:41:31 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables including regas own 25 and 9 > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new so now your changing the rules ... > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and graham don't. > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) Warren > See Ya > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > none of those tables are *better* > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > than the table but its still entry level > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > and the rega kills it > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > you could have got better. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Well > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > and > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > high end stuff > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 16 18:41:31 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > So the Linn is dated huh. > So is vinyl. Vinyl's not dated but the Linn is > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > Now who's talking out of his hat. Give me a break please explain how you can get a td125 to sound as good as a VPI tnt 5hr or an Orbe > As for the Rega > So it's cheaper > So what! Its not just cheaper its not as good as many better tables including regas own 25 and 9 > Any 2 different and halfway decent belt driven tables with SIMILAR > bearing > and platter type and a properly driven motor can be > matched to sound EXACTLY the same by using different > combos of arm, armboard cartridge, wires and mats as > well as setup and geometry. It's all a question of > experimentation. If the suspension becomes a factor > put it in a sound proof box. No, but to get into this is more than should be done on Naktalk > The bottom dropping out has a lot to do with it since > 1200 is about how much folks will pay for an item that sold > for about 5000 a year ago. but none of the tables you mentioned were $5000.00 when new so now your changing the rules ... > As for VPI I like the TNT3 but that JMW arm without > antiskate and a wobbly unipivot can kill a record > after a few plays. Any eccentricity on the grooves > will cause the stylus's orientation around the wand's roll axis > to change and can damage the grooves as can any warp on the > record if the stylus is ont exactly on the wand's centre of > mass as seen from the front. This is an aggregate figure and > won't always coincide with the centreline of the wand. It can not > be compensated statically. have you got any proof for this? I know many people who use the various incarnations of the VPI arm and none have reported record wear. Not only that there are many fine unipivots availeable new and used that sound exceptionaly well and don't effect record wear one bit. Or do you know something that VPI, Naim, Wilson Bensch and graham don't. > As for Michel > That's a girl's turntable > in case you didn't know. > :) Ah but I like Girls who have turntables ;-) Warren > See Ya > Javier > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > with all due respect your talking out of your hat > > none of those tables are *better* > > the regas a base line budget turntable the arm is much better > > than the table but its still entry level > > the td125 is junk the only version thats passable is the mk3 > > and the rega kills it > > the linn is dated bloated in the bass and just isn't up to > > a modernVPI, Basis or Michel (sorry you linnies) > > As for the bottom dropping out of the high end > > that has nothing to do with statements like for $1200 > > you could have got better. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > Well > > > An old Planar 3 with the std RB300 > > > A TD125 or 6 with a 309 > > > An old Sondek with an Ittok > > > > > > and > > > > > > your favourite under $1000 cartridge > > > > > > I'm no psychic except when it comes to my money. > > > > > > Also, in case you haven't noticed > > > the bottom is falling out on > > > high end stuff > > > It's the new Bin Laden economy > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > Since I Know JCO's table and arm > > > > what do you think would beat it for $1200.00 > > > > I can't think of anything but since your psychic > > > > and also know what it is please do tell > > > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > Too bad > > > > > For about `1200 you could have gotten a better one! > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong: vinyl was dead in 1991. the revival started around 1995 and > > > > > > has gotten stronger every year since. I bought a $5000 turntable > > > > > > just last year for example. > > > > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf > > > > Of > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It started about ten years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From w.smetanig at chello.at Mon Sep 17 06:11:16 2001 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:11:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual References: Message-ID: <02c201c13f2e$cbf8a4c0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Hi Matyas! Got the manual much cheaper in combination with a Xerox copy of the owners manual for about 10$ from www.elv.com. If you want I can order and send it to you - have to order a couple of manual for myself, too. Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 17 09:18:28 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:18:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! Message-ID: Salim, I wouldn't take this too much to heart. I have heard a TD 125 with SME 309 (not 3009) and either a Benz or Grado cartridge - not sure. It was an MC though, playing through a Denon pre-amp (one of the few Jap majors with an analogue heart) and it sounded truly fantastic. The much vaunted TD124 was also impressive, unsurpassed midrange clarity and expressiveness, but in so being, less even through the tonal range. These are my impressions only, of course. The TD 125 was, as far as I know, also sold worldwide as a knock-down motor unit, for installation into plinths of the dealers/clients choice, so of course, they were apt to great performace variations. I have also seen a TD 125 with a Black Widow arm (designed by the bloke who founded Krell) and Grace cartridge. No end of variety. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 09/15/01 09:58PM >>> Hi Graham, My English is not that good .... but isn't this what they call "a successful troll" ? :-) Ah, I don't know, maybe that came from spending too much time on rao. Anyways .... it's refreshing to hear my beloved 125 categorized as junk ! Almost forgot, there are tons of used 3009 on Hifi World backpages for heartbreaking price .... would it be possible to get one through you ? Just wishful thinking. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > Where you been, Jim? ;o) There has been a number of specialist vinyl > pressing companies spring up and some of the biggers guys even dusted off > their old presses, too. Plus, every month in the UK hi fi press seems to > see a new record deck being launched. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Mueller > Sent: 16 September 2001 05:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 09:55:20 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 03:55:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! References: Message-ID: <3BA5AC68.10F90381@yahoo.com> That's what I love about turntables there are simply so many possible combinations and setups that one can grow old discovering new ones. The race is never over. BTW: Did the 160 come with a stock Thorens or SME arm? Javier Mark Hugo wrote: > > Salim, > > I wouldn't take this too much to heart. I have heard a TD 125 with SME 309 (not 3009) and either a Benz or Grado cartridge - not sure. It was an MC though, playing through a Denon pre-amp (one of the few Jap majors with an analogue heart) and it sounded truly fantastic. The much vaunted TD124 was also impressive, unsurpassed midrange clarity and expressiveness, but in so being, less even through the tonal range. These are my impressions only, of course. > > The TD 125 was, as far as I know, also sold worldwide as a knock-down motor unit, for installation into plinths of the dealers/clients choice, so of course, they were apt to great performace variations. > > I have also seen a TD 125 with a Black Widow arm (designed by the bloke who founded Krell) and Grace cartridge. No end of variety. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 09/15/01 09:58PM >>> > > Hi Graham, > > My English is not that good .... but isn't this what they call "a successful > troll" ? :-) Ah, I don't know, maybe that came from spending too much time > on rao. > > Anyways .... it's refreshing to hear my beloved 125 categorized as junk ! > Almost forgot, there are tons of used 3009 on Hifi World backpages for > heartbreaking price .... would it be possible to get one through you ? Just > wishful thinking. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:05 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > Where you been, Jim? ;o) There has been a number of specialist vinyl > > pressing companies spring up and some of the biggers guys even dusted off > > their old presses, too. Plus, every month in the UK hi fi press seems to > > see a new record deck being launched. > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Mueller > > Sent: 16 September 2001 05:39 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette > > > > > > There was a vinyl revival? When did that happen? :-) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 10:44:08 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:44:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WTC References: <10.128f4151.28d6e8f1@aol.com> <3BA5A1DA.F957F6AF@yahoo.com> <009101c13f4a$a6dcc2e0$6495ccd1@hppav> <3BA5B4B6.93149874@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA5B7D8.4B637229@yahoo.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > Yes > They were heavily equipped by the US > but that was 20 years ago and I seriously doubt the most lethal > of their weapons ie: stingers and I think TOWs are still > extant much less operational. If the US goes in with ground > troops, the mujahadeen will employ harrassment tactics in the > hope of causing enough losses to spook them. It could go either way. > The whole thing really centres on what will happen in Pakistan in > this week. If the Islamists are able to muster enough strength > to topple Musharraf then it's a whole new ballgame. It could > bring about the downfall of the Saud and Hashemite rulers as well > as Hassad. It's interesting in that Bush Junior has surrounded himself > with his dad's staff and those guys are stuck in the neat elegant > gulf war scenarios. They forget that while bin Laden may lack Hussein's > hardware he has enormous > currency among dispossessed and alienated Arabs and other muslims who > view the the US and the west as absolutely hostile to their culture > It should be interesting > Of course it could all change if the Taliban give him up without a fight > That would open up a whole different can of worms. They would only hand > him over > to a fellow Islamic nation and the issue of where to try him would > become the new > hot potato. > Javier > > THE CHAMBERLAINS wrote: > > > > indeed. you might have mentioned, too, how the "rebels" who fought the > > Russian core of the u.s.s.r. had, used and likely have numerous > > anti-aircraft s.a.m. weapons, including many hand-held models capable of > > removing most any aircraft that the u.n. or u.s.a. would use. i do not know, > > but can conceive of bin laden's factions possessing the larger, > > truck-transported types, too. you might recall, how they were prime targets > > of the "coalition" in "dessert storm". a pilot's worst nightmare, a missile > > that keeps coming back for more. i mention this because our military is > > fighter/bomber oriented....ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:10 AM > > Subject: Re: WTC > > > > > The Mujahadeen gave the Russians a walloping 20 years ago. > > > They fight in small units using almost purely hit and run tactics. > > > They will let the enemy move in and start taking out convoys and > > > small static installations. They chip away at the enemy over a > > > 5 to 10 year period. When it's all over you have taken thousands of > > > casualties and have nothing to show for it. The power of Islam > > > provides them with the stamina to carry on the fight where anyone > > > else would cut and run. Good training from childhood on does the rest. > > > Also, the terrain is something of an advantage for them in that > > > large armies simply aren't designed for that type of fighting. > > > In the words an ex Soviet defense minister I think. > > > > > > "The problem with Afganistan is that you need a trainload of > > > explosives to kill 3 militants" > > > > > > The whole thing turns into a special forces war and that's where the > > > problem > > > begins. Large armiesm, including the U.S only have a few truly elite > > > fighting units and > > > most of them are only large enough to handle limited engagements not > > > 10 year wars. It leaves them with the prospect of having top churn out > > > "elite" units > > > or send regulars in to get slaughtered. This happened to Russia. They > > > began mass producing secial operations units that were little more than > > > regulars with a few extra training courses and they paid for it. They > > > also discovered that they had to pour enormous quantities of firepower > > > to > > > achieve minimal results. > > > > > > The same thing happened started to happen to them in Chechyna and still > > > could. > > > I remember a memorable moment in which a Checnyan rebel commander was > > > being interviewed > > > after they had repelled the initial russian offensive. The Chechnyian > > > was talking about > > > the victory and the reporter said. "The Russians are now bringing in > > > special forces for the > > > counter attack". The commander laughed "Special forces?, Everybody's > > > special forces around here!" > > > > > > Another amusing anecdotes from Chechyna occurred after the initial > > > Russian setback. > > > They had been there for a few months and the desert stormish lightning > > > offensive > > > had bogged down and was turning into another Afganistan. In addition to > > > deploying "elite" interior ministry troops, > > > the Russians also brought in a new commander, a celebrated general and > > > hero of the Afganistan war. The > > > Chuck Norrisky figure stood in front of reporters and eloquently > > > explained in a now > > > we are deadly serious tone, how they were going to use new tactics to > > > wrap up the > > > situation quickly and decisively. A few days later in an ambush the guy > > > was dead. > > > The Chechnyans are still resisting mujahadeen style and will continue > > > chipping > > > away at the Russians until they leave. > > > > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe from this list, send an e-mail to: > > > argus-request at cahuenga.com (Subject: unsubscribe) > > > and insert only the word: unsubscribe in the message > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > To Unsubscribe from this list, send an e-mail to: > > argus-request at cahuenga.com (Subject: unsubscribe) > > and insert only the word: unsubscribe in the message > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________________ > > To Unsubscribe from this list, send an e-mail to: > argus-request at cahuenga.com (Subject: unsubscribe) > and insert only the word: unsubscribe in the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl Mon Sep 17 10:45:33 2001 From: N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl (N.van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:45:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) Message-ID: Hello Naktalkers I've just bought the Nakamichi CA5 and PA5 combination in Germany and i found the sound of the CA5 great but the sound of the PA5 not better then my much cheaper Harman/Kardon HK870. Searching on the internet i've found the following test made by audioreview: When I first took the PA-5 home I thought it airy and very nice..until I played Judy Collins and other high-pitched singers. They sounded truly bad,like early solid-state recievers. I put the amp on the test bench and found that it easily met all its specs. So what was wrong? Well,when I put square waves into the amp (a way of testing the transient and phase behavior of an amplifier)they did not come out the way they went in...this is never a good thing. Upon analysis I found that the feed-back loop was not configured to properly address the low midrange/upper bass. Attempting to find out what was up I called Nakamichi. Everyone I spoke to refused to talk to me about it...until I got to one brave tech who told me he knew what I was talking about but would be fired if he said anything! Well,it turned out the solution was to examine a REAL Stasis amp and incorporate the componant feedback values into the PA-5. What a difference! The amp was warmer with better dynamics and the voices were now coherent. It seems that Nakamichi set the feedback values to make the amp look good on paper at the sacrifice of its real world performance! At any rate the total cost of parts was $5.00 so I would not hesitate to buy this amp on the used market. Now to the sound...The PA-5 has a warm softly detailed quality,never bright, and is very gentle on the ears. It produces a COHERENT soundstage. Coherence here means that all parts of a voice (for instance) are located in the same part of the image,that there is no tendency for various parts of an instrument to wander around the sound stage. This is a rare quality in a solid-state amplifier of this vintage. The bass is warm but lacking in slam compared to the Bryston,SAE, and the Dreadnaught (the Dreadnaught can push a speaker right out of its basket!). The midrange/highs are warm but lacking in detail and focus compared to the Sonographe and the Bryston (both newer designs),and the Fet-Valves midrange is much more lush and natural sounding, but the PA-5 holds its character into more difficult loads than the Sonographe and Fet-Valve can.The PA-5 has a very forgiving sound, almost never going harsh or hard.The PA-5 is also very easy for a preamp to drive due to its high imput impedance...I have even let the CD player drive it directly with no bass loss. Even into the Accustat speaker the amp still sounds warm and forgiving. This is one of the best amps for electrostats that I have found of that vintage (it easily out-performed the largest Hafler on the 'Stats. The over-all sound can best be described as coming from behind a velvet curtain...very much like the more expensive Threshold Stasis amps (but without Thresholds power,nearly holographic imaging, and detail),it is a good approximation of the Threshold at not nearly the price. The best statement that anyone can make is that,tho I can find flaws in its performance,I can,and have, listened to the PA-5 for hours without fatigue. http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Amplifier/product_3265.shtml I wonder if you guys even heard about this issue and what i can do to make sounding the PA5 better Greetings Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Mon Sep 17 12:21:39 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:21:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WTC References: <10.128f4151.28d6e8f1@aol.com> <3BA5A1DA.F957F6AF@yahoo.com> <009101c13f4a$a6dcc2e0$6495ccd1@hppav> <3BA5B4B6.93149874@yahoo.com> <3BA5B7D8.4B637229@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005b01c13f62$8aa50520$04bd16d0@0021976299> the US won't go in with conventional ground forces. They will probably employ hit and run tactics with US special forces. Thank God it is Bush , and not Gore, who will be directing our response. It is a good tactic to force Pakistan to comply with our demands, and a good strategy to get Pakistan, in turn, to make demands of the Taliban. As it stands now, they have given the Taliban 5 days to hand over Bin Laden. If they don't, whatever happens is on their heads. Of course, that is just the start. I suspect Hussein, and others like him are digging some very deep holes right about now. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Sep 17 12:12:08 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:12:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BF39@CPT-01> I know this may be off the topic for this group but hey how can we record on our nak machines if the source isn't up to scratch. i have a micro - seiki turntable (BL 10 X not top end but good ) with grado gold cartridge. the only issue i have is some sibilance on tracks near the inner grooves. is this an alignment problem, anti skating or tracking weight issue. i have adjusted the tracking weight to reduce sibilance when i was setting up but i don't want to increase it indefinately. regards neal -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: 16 September 2001 19:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette The TD160 is a classic table. It's not what the elites would call high end but can be made to sound great. It too can be made to sound better than a 5000 dollar table and perhaps even a 10000 dollar one. My friend has had one for years and is very happy with it. As for the Shure, I've only had one and it was years ago. Shures generally sound decent and their top of the line model is said by some (mostly Americans)to be the best mm cartridge out there. Be careful when buying a cartridge there is a lot of high priced junk out there with magical though unquantifiable sonic properties. Currently I'm using a so-so bluepoint on a TD126 with a Linn Basik arm and an ortofon OM with a premier ft/4 on a td124. The BP is too bright for my taste A lot of people love that one but I think it's mostly hype and I like the OM better. It's mellower at least for me and makes my wallet less airey yet more defined. It's also a great compromise for my musical which include "hard" classical music, heavy rock and nothing else. The BP by comparison is way too tinny (yes it's setup right) and the cantilever is designed to break off if you look at it funny. The important thing is to setup your table properly. Make sure the pivot to stylus distance and stylus angle are exactly correct. Set the tracking force correctly and then play with the antiskate until both channels are balanced or to whatever the mfg suggests. I'm fairly certain that 99.9% of all upgrades from good tables to super highend ones are brought about by faulty setup procedures. See Ya Javier BTW: there is a turntable group called TERES teres at aiko.com Matyas wrote: > > Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with > a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! > How did you consider this set up ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Sep 17 13:46:28 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:46:28 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5787@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, may I gingerly ask you, if there's a hope for me of getting some insight to the Power Supply drama I described in details last week? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 16 17:28:12 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:28:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! References: Message-ID: <000401c13ec4$36ddc420$2e289bca@smarzuki> Hi Mark ! Thanks for your 'support'. :-) No, I didn't get offended or take it to heart, naktalk is one of most civilized group I've joined, save that raymond incident ! Despite its current horrible condition / cosmetics, I think 125 sounds marvelous, just like LX5 to my ears (to keep this on topic). But the one that first got me re-think vinyl was TD165 - after experiencing 'fertile' sound of Technics tables (also beogram), this basic 165 sounds simply different ... like a 482, ah well, you got the point. :-) Too bad its getting difficult to find new software for our tables. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Getting waaaay off topic, the one that really broke my heart ... bloomberg news this morning "bin laden may use indonesia as his new base". What is the !#$%^& matter with this guy ! Out of hundred countries ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! > Salim, > > I wouldn't take this too much to heart. I have heard a TD 125 with SME 309 (not 3009) and either a Benz or Grado cartridge - not sure. It was an MC though, playing through a Denon pre-amp (one of the few Jap majors with an analogue heart) and it sounded truly fantastic. The much vaunted TD124 was also impressive, unsurpassed midrange clarity and expressiveness, but in so being, less even through the tonal range. These are my impressions only, of course. > > The TD 125 was, as far as I know, also sold worldwide as a knock-down motor unit, for installation into plinths of the dealers/clients choice, so of course, they were apt to great performace variations. > > I have also seen a TD 125 with a Black Widow arm (designed by the bloke who founded Krell) and Grace cartridge. No end of variety. > > > Cheers, > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 14:44:46 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:44:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WTC References: <10.128f4151.28d6e8f1@aol.com> <3BA5A1DA.F957F6AF@yahoo.com> <009101c13f4a$a6dcc2e0$6495ccd1@hppav> <3BA5B4B6.93149874@yahoo.com> <3BA5B7D8.4B637229@yahoo.com> <005b01c13f62$8aa50520$04bd16d0@0021976299> Message-ID: <3BA5F03E.1F8CCF23@yahoo.com> That's right These conflicts usually turn into special forces wars. That's exactly what happened to Russia Problem was/is that most large armies have a limited number of truly elite units and they are not really designed to fight wars by themselves. Russia soon ran out of these cream of the crop Soviet forces and started churning out "elite" troops of vastly inferior quality. Most were just regulars with a little more training and I guess fancy beret or insignia. The same thing happened to them initially in Chechnya. I tend to go with Republicans myself but I'm not sure Bush junior knows what he's doing. Of course he is under adult supervision and Powell, Cheney and hid dad will certainly be able to point him in the right direction but he has already made a few big political mistakes. For example he used the word cooperation with respect to Pakistan. Since the Islamic world watches CNN this will surely be interpreted as a capitulation to the US on the part of Pakistan. He might have used words like joined forces with or provide need help or something but never cooperate. Also, Bush's top dogs are set in their gulf war ways and may have trouble dealing with the Afgans. Russia is about to start massing troops on the border IMHO and there's no garauntee that they will "cooperate" effectively with the US. Also, a Russian assault would probably inflame things enough to topple at least a few non fundamentalist governments. I just hope they have thought this one through. The 64 million dollar question here is why haven't the Taliban agreed to a secret deal of some sort that allows for bin Laden to be kidnapped or killed thus making the whole thing academic. They have so much to gain by it by doing so at this point. There's a variable missing here. See Ya Javier joel eidbo wrote: > > the US won't go in with conventional ground forces. They will probably > employ hit and run tactics with US special forces. Thank God it is Bush , > and not Gore, who will be directing our response. It is a good tactic to > force Pakistan to comply with our demands, and a good strategy to get > Pakistan, in turn, to make demands of the Taliban. As it stands now, they > have given the Taliban 5 days to hand over Bin Laden. If they don't, > whatever happens is on their heads. Of course, that is just the start. I > suspect Hussein, and others like him are digging some very deep holes right > about now. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Sep 17 17:22:43 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:22:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <006501c13ece$71062de0$d2ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <026101c13ee2$e2a3c840$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <005e01c13e25$b30d7440$f7289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001a01c13f8c$992cb5a0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> unfortunately not salim, last one MMC1 I found was over $100!! erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 17 14:57:47 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:57:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Message-ID: Hi Neal, Did you snap up that Nak 1.5 (or was it a DR2.........can't remember)??. On the turntable, I would venture to say, either the cartridge assy needs to be toed inwards a fraction, or, if it's simpler (i.e. try it first) with your Micro Seiki, adjust your vertical tracking angle downwards, (less steep/acute. That's my gut feel. I think Javier would be able to help better, and for that matter, may know the model of table that you're using. Best regards, Marc >>> nealw at decillion.net 09/17/01 12:12PM >>> I know this may be off the topic for this group but hey how can we record on our nak machines if the source isn't up to scratch. i have a micro - seiki turntable (BL 10 X not top end but good ) with grado gold cartridge. the only issue i have is some sibilance on tracks near the inner grooves. is this an alignment problem, anti skating or tracking weight issue. i have adjusted the tracking weight to reduce sibilance when i was setting up but i don't want to increase it indefinately. regards neal -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: 16 September 2001 19:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette The TD160 is a classic table. It's not what the elites would call high end but can be made to sound great. It too can be made to sound better than a 5000 dollar table and perhaps even a 10000 dollar one. My friend has had one for years and is very happy with it. As for the Shure, I've only had one and it was years ago. Shures generally sound decent and their top of the line model is said by some (mostly Americans)to be the best mm cartridge out there. Be careful when buying a cartridge there is a lot of high priced junk out there with magical though unquantifiable sonic properties. Currently I'm using a so-so bluepoint on a TD126 with a Linn Basik arm and an ortofon OM with a premier ft/4 on a td124. The BP is too bright for my taste A lot of people love that one but I think it's mostly hype and I like the OM better. It's mellower at least for me and makes my wallet less airey yet more defined. It's also a great compromise for my musical which include "hard" classical music, heavy rock and nothing else. The BP by comparison is way too tinny (yes it's setup right) and the cantilever is designed to break off if you look at it funny. The important thing is to setup your table properly. Make sure the pivot to stylus distance and stylus angle are exactly correct. Set the tracking force correctly and then play with the antiskate until both channels are balanced or to whatever the mfg suggests. I'm fairly certain that 99.9% of all upgrades from good tables to super highend ones are brought about by faulty setup procedures. See Ya Javier BTW: there is a turntable group called TERES teres at aiko.com Matyas wrote: > > Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with > a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! > How did you consider this set up ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Sep 17 16:50:43 2001 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:50:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39BF3D@CPT-01> No my friend didn't go for the DR2, ended up spending it on a new Jolida amp, very impressive sounding. i will try some experiments with the alignment and VTA, problem is the lack of tools...i'm using my ear more than anything to get it right. VTA will be quite tricky as the arm is fairly hard to move up and down, feel like they should have had a screw of some sort to finely adjust.. thanks for the input -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 17 September 2001 14:58 To: nealw at decillion.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette Hi Neal, Did you snap up that Nak 1.5 (or was it a DR2.........can't remember)??. On the turntable, I would venture to say, either the cartridge assy needs to be toed inwards a fraction, or, if it's simpler (i.e. try it first) with your Micro Seiki, adjust your vertical tracking angle downwards, (less steep/acute. That's my gut feel. I think Javier would be able to help better, and for that matter, may know the model of table that you're using. Best regards, Marc >>> nealw at decillion.net 09/17/01 12:12PM >>> I know this may be off the topic for this group but hey how can we record on our nak machines if the source isn't up to scratch. i have a micro - seiki turntable (BL 10 X not top end but good ) with grado gold cartridge. the only issue i have is some sibilance on tracks near the inner grooves. is this an alignment problem, anti skating or tracking weight issue. i have adjusted the tracking weight to reduce sibilance when i was setting up but i don't want to increase it indefinately. regards neal -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: 16 September 2001 19:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette The TD160 is a classic table. It's not what the elites would call high end but can be made to sound great. It too can be made to sound better than a 5000 dollar table and perhaps even a 10000 dollar one. My friend has had one for years and is very happy with it. As for the Shure, I've only had one and it was years ago. Shures generally sound decent and their top of the line model is said by some (mostly Americans)to be the best mm cartridge out there. Be careful when buying a cartridge there is a lot of high priced junk out there with magical though unquantifiable sonic properties. Currently I'm using a so-so bluepoint on a TD126 with a Linn Basik arm and an ortofon OM with a premier ft/4 on a td124. The BP is too bright for my taste A lot of people love that one but I think it's mostly hype and I like the OM better. It's mellower at least for me and makes my wallet less airey yet more defined. It's also a great compromise for my musical which include "hard" classical music, heavy rock and nothing else. The BP by comparison is way too tinny (yes it's setup right) and the cantilever is designed to break off if you look at it funny. The important thing is to setup your table properly. Make sure the pivot to stylus distance and stylus angle are exactly correct. Set the tracking force correctly and then play with the antiskate until both channels are balanced or to whatever the mfg suggests. I'm fairly certain that 99.9% of all upgrades from good tables to super highend ones are brought about by faulty setup procedures. See Ya Javier BTW: there is a turntable group called TERES teres at aiko.com Matyas wrote: > > Javier, 2 weeks ago I bought my first decent TT, said a Thorens TD160, with > a Shure mm cartridge M75b. all that for just 39 CHF ! > How did you consider this set up ? > Regards, Matyas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > > > So the Linn is dated huh. > > So is vinyl. > > > > The 125 is an excellent table which can be made to sound > > every bit as good as anything you can come up with. > > Now who's talking out of his hat. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thanks for your 'support'. :-) No, I didn't get offended or take it to heart, naktalk is one of most civilized group I've joined, save that raymond incident ! Despite its current horrible condition / cosmetics, I think 125 sounds marvelous, just like LX5 to my ears (to keep this on topic). But the one that first got me re-think vinyl was TD165 - after experiencing 'fertile' sound of Technics tables (also beogram), this basic 165 sounds simply different ... like a 482, ah well, you got the point. :-) Too bad its getting difficult to find new software for our tables. Best regards, Salim SM PS: Getting waaaay off topic, the one that really broke my heart ... bloomberg news this morning "bin laden may use indonesia as his new base". What is the !#$%^& matter with this guy ! Out of hundred countries ! -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Also, look for pinched wires going from these boards to the solenoids, keypad & etc. If you don't find anything, let me know & I'll try to think of how you can get further. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > Stephen, > > may I gingerly ask you, if there's a hope for me of getting some insight to > the Power Supply drama I described in details last week? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 17 21:41:11 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:41:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) References: Message-ID: <005c01c13fb0$b51300c0$833442cf@sank1> I have worked on many Thresholds, but have never had any schematics on them, so the most effective thing to do would be to contact the author of that article. I will, though, try to take a look through what manuals I have & see if I can identify what the guy was talking about. Personally, although I have spent much more time with PA-7's than PA-5's, I find the guy's complaints surprising. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) > Hello Naktalkers > > I've just bought the Nakamichi CA5 and PA5 combination in Germany and i found the sound of the CA5 great but the sound of the PA5 not better then my much cheaper Harman/Kardon HK870. > > Searching on the internet i've found the following test made by audioreview: > > When I first took the PA-5 home I thought it airy and very nice..until I played Judy Collins and other high-pitched singers. They sounded truly bad,like early solid-state recievers. I put the amp on the test bench and found that it easily met all its specs. So what was wrong? Well,when I put square waves into the amp (a way of testing the transient and phase behavior of an amplifier)they did not come out the way they went in...this is never a good thing. Upon analysis I found that the feed-back loop was not configured to properly address the low midrange/upper bass. Attempting to find out what was up I called Nakamichi. Everyone I spoke to refused to talk to me about it...until I got to one brave tech who told me he knew what I was talking about but would be fired if he said anything! > Well,it turned out the solution was to examine a REAL Stasis amp and incorporate the componant feedback values into the PA-5. What a difference! The amp was warmer with better dynamics and the voices were now coherent. It seems that Nakamichi set the feedback values to make the amp look good on paper at the sacrifice of its real world > performance! At any rate the total cost of parts was $5.00 > so I would not hesitate to buy this amp on the used market. > Now to the sound...The PA-5 has a warm softly detailed quality,never bright, and is very gentle on the ears. It produces a COHERENT soundstage. Coherence here means that all parts of a voice (for instance) are located in the same part of the image,that there is no tendency for various parts of an instrument to wander around the sound stage. This is a rare quality in a solid-state amplifier of this vintage. The bass is warm but lacking in slam compared to the Bryston,SAE, and the Dreadnaught (the Dreadnaught can push a speaker right out of its basket!). The midrange/highs are warm but lacking in detail and focus compared to the Sonographe and the Bryston (both newer designs),and the Fet-Valves midrange is much more lush and natural sounding, but the PA-5 holds its character into more difficult loads than the Sonographe and Fet-Valve can.The PA-5 has a very forgiving sound, almost never going harsh or hard.The PA-5 is also very easy for a preamp to drive due to its high imput im! > pedance...I have even let the CD player drive it directly with no bass loss. Even into the Accustat speaker the amp still sounds warm and forgiving. This is one of the best amps for electrostats that I have found of that vintage (it easily out-performed the largest Hafler on the 'Stats. The over-all sound can best be described as coming from behind a velvet curtain...very much like the more expensive Threshold Stasis amps (but without Thresholds power,nearly holographic imaging, and detail),it is a good approximation of the Threshold at not nearly the price. The best statement that anyone can make is that,tho I can find flaws in its performance,I can,and have, listened to the PA-5 for hours without fatigue. > > http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Amplifier/product_3265.shtml > > > I wonder if you guys even heard about this issue and what i can do to make sounding the PA5 better > > Greetings Norman > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 22:51:38 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:51:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! References: <000101c13faa$672bd2c0$51237bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BA6625A.396C6621@yahoo.com> Actually there's a chance he may know all about high-end. Wealthy Saudis even the ones that immigrated from Yemen know all about the better quality items in audio, photography horology and the like. See Ya Javier Graham Nelson wrote: > > Salim > > If bin Laden comes to Indonesia you can send your LX5 here for > safe-keeping!!! :o) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 16 September 2001 16:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record > deck! > > Hi Mark ! > > Thanks for your 'support'. :-) No, I didn't get offended or take it to > heart, naktalk is one of most civilized group I've joined, save that raymond > incident ! > > Despite its current horrible condition / cosmetics, I think 125 sounds > marvelous, just like LX5 to my ears (to keep this on topic). But the one > that first got me re-think vinyl was TD165 - after experiencing 'fertile' > sound of Technics tables (also beogram), this basic 165 sounds simply > different ... like a 482, ah well, you got the point. :-) Too bad its > getting difficult to find new software for our tables. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: Getting waaaay off topic, the one that really broke my heart ... > bloomberg news this morning "bin laden may use indonesia as his new base". > What is the !#$%^& matter with this guy ! Out of hundred countries ! > > -- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jeidbo at toolcity.net Mon Sep 17 22:53:48 2001 From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (joel eidbo) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:53:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WTC References: <10.128f4151.28d6e8f1@aol.com> <3BA5A1DA.F957F6AF@yahoo.com> <009101c13f4a$a6dcc2e0$6495ccd1@hppav> <3BA5B4B6.93149874@yahoo.com> <3BA5B7D8.4B637229@yahoo.com> <005b01c13f62$8aa50520$04bd16d0@0021976299> <3BA5F03E.1F8CCF23@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c13fba$dbad01e0$be65a93f@0021976299> You misunderstand. They will not be going in to establish a "beachhead". They will go in attack, kill as many crazies as they can, and then leave. This will be repeated ad nauseum , as in essence, a reverse terrorism. Secondly , our basic infantryman is far better trained and equipped than all but the most elite soviet trooper. No comparison there. Bush's "top dogs" (thank God), have vast military experience, which of course is why Desert Storm was such an unprecedented success. Who would Gore call on (it's scary just to even think about it)? You're right about one thing; there is something missing. I don't understand why Afghanistan won't "cooperate" and turn Bin Laden over. I wonder if behind the scenes they are telling us exactly where he is so we can go in and capture or kill him? Russia may or may not participate, but since they don't have two nickels to rub together, I would be more worried about their weapons than their soldiers. God Bless America! ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Mon Sep 17 22:58:50 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:58:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) References: <005c01c13fb0$b51300c0$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004a01c13fbb$8e4b0540$8a8c55c3@amd> Thanks Stephan, I wrote a email to that author so let's see what he got to say. But i wonder what he means with "componant feedback values " . Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) > I have worked on many Thresholds, but have never had any schematics on them, > so the most effective thing to do would be to contact the author of that > article. I will, though, try to take a look through what manuals I have & > see if I can identify what the guy was talking about. Personally, although > I have spent much more time with PA-7's than PA-5's, I find the guy's > complaints surprising. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:45 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 / CA5 (Stephan Sank) > > > > Hello Naktalkers > > > > I've just bought the Nakamichi CA5 and PA5 combination in Germany and i > found the sound of the CA5 great but the sound of the PA5 not better then my > much cheaper Harman/Kardon HK870. > > > > Searching on the internet i've found the following test made by > audioreview: > > > > When I first took the PA-5 home I thought it airy and very nice..until I > played Judy Collins and other high-pitched singers. They sounded truly > bad,like early solid-state recievers. I put the amp on the test bench and > found that it easily met all its specs. So what was wrong? Well,when I put > square waves into the amp (a way of testing the transient and phase behavior > of an amplifier)they did not come out the way they went in...this is never a > good thing. Upon analysis I found that the feed-back loop was not configured > to properly address the low midrange/upper bass. Attempting to find out what > was up I called Nakamichi. Everyone I spoke to refused to talk to me about > it...until I got to one brave tech who told me he knew what I was talking > about but would be fired if he said anything! > > Well,it turned out the solution was to examine a REAL Stasis amp and > incorporate the componant feedback values into the PA-5. What a difference! > The amp was warmer with better dynamics and the voices were now coherent. It > seems that Nakamichi set the feedback values to make the amp look good on > paper at the sacrifice of its real world > > performance! At any rate the total cost of parts was $5.00 > > so I would not hesitate to buy this amp on the used market. > > Now to the sound...The PA-5 has a warm softly detailed quality,never > bright, and is very gentle on the ears. It produces a COHERENT soundstage. > Coherence here means that all parts of a voice (for instance) are located in > the same part of the image,that there is no tendency for various parts of an > instrument to wander around the sound stage. This is a rare quality in a > solid-state amplifier of this vintage. The bass is warm but lacking in slam > compared to the Bryston,SAE, and the Dreadnaught (the Dreadnaught can push a > speaker right out of its basket!). The midrange/highs are warm but lacking > in detail and focus compared to the Sonographe and the Bryston (both newer > designs),and the Fet-Valves midrange is much more lush and natural sounding, > but the PA-5 holds its character into more difficult loads than the > Sonographe and Fet-Valve can.The PA-5 has a very forgiving sound, almost > never going harsh or hard.The PA-5 is also very easy for a preamp to drive > due to its high imput im! > > pedance...I have even let the CD player drive it directly with no bass > loss. Even into the Accustat speaker the amp still sounds warm and > forgiving. This is one of the best amps for electrostats that I have found > of that vintage (it easily out-performed the largest Hafler on the 'Stats. > The over-all sound can best be described as coming from behind a velvet > curtain...very much like the more expensive Threshold Stasis amps (but > without Thresholds power,nearly holographic imaging, and detail),it is a > good approximation of the Threshold at not nearly the price. The best > statement that anyone can make is that,tho I can find flaws in its > performance,I can,and have, listened to the PA-5 for hours without fatigue. > > > > http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Amplifier/product_3265.shtml > > > > > > I wonder if you guys even heard about this issue and what i can do to make > sounding the PA5 better > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:26:06 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:26:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TD160 References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <3BA4DC13.DB270160@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Javier, Warren, Graham ! Thank you all for your considerations & tips. My td160 arm is a thorens one, like the cartridge holder. I am too young (25years) to have known most of the models you mentioned. I don't know the exact arm's adjustment procedures. I know that you will be kind to explain it to me in its time, but not for now, as I have not a lot of time. (I enter the hospital for a maxillae-facial operation Thursday) But I can tell you this TT sound very well to me, perhaps too smooth but have a great articulation with dynamics. I plan to replace the cheesy phono wires first, then to adjust the arm, then I will ask you for some cartridge models that a shop proposes to me. Dumb to say, but it is so astonishing to place a TD160 on an old wooden floor, to play a record loud in quiet passages, then to jump with violence at the TT side. Absolutely NO subsonics went to disturb my boomers !!! Lovely suspension ! Like you Javier, I listen a lot of metal, mostly extreme metal, less of classic, but raw maedieval music, folk-traditional, Scandinavian, Gipsy, Indian, French alternative songs, experimental etc.... Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 21:27:24 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:27:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Service Manual References: <02c201c13f2e$cbf8a4c0$0a00a8c0@Sonja> Message-ID: Thanks Salim, Stephen & Wolfgang! Wolfgang ! It is very kind to you to propose me this, but it will be more direct that I order directly to them, as you are in Austria (?) and me in Geneva, it will be no real advantages to do so :-) BTW, I had just forgot the www.elv.com existence, our real advantage with them, is that you can easily know what will cost you the manual you are after. On the other hand, schaltungsdient.de have by now an English side.. as I don't speak German... Best regards, Matyas PS: I have asked for info to Herr Jaghzies, thank for the tip Salim ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" > Hi Matyas! > > Got the manual much cheaper in combination with a Xerox copy of the owners > manual for about 10$ from www.elv.com. > If you want I can order and send it to you - have to order a couple of > manual for myself, too. > > Wolfgang ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:47:41 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:47:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> <002f01c13e1c$43dc4500$f7289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: --- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Matyas, I will call you psychic owner of psychotic 600II. First the scope > and now ZXL static ram chip ! (I know the 600 is your friend's ... maybe > you should consider getting it from him) And please don't mention bad > things from now on. :-) (o; I'll try, buddy ! But 1000ZXL is so full of ICs... You can call me an actual 600II owner since 2 years, as I did forget in the last mail to mention that my friend gaves me this deck, just after a month to calm down my need to repair anything & Nakmania, but this Nak is obscure to me. (I haven't its manual) I envy you Salim, OP275 on the ZXL ! I have so many times heard about this opamp ! >I put on OP275 on both pb + line amp and finetune head positioning again .... > what a deck ! Head position is almost spot on, thanks again. Too bad it > can't record - yet. Just curious, what's your story on static ram chip ? The only story I have about the memory is the scary need of the custom made computer to realign the heart of ABLE calibration system, and hopefully I have not yet face it. (but read on Naktalk) eventought, I am not that sure the 5101 is involved in the set-up main back-up. It seems the 5101 is just the memory for the A,B,C,D + "floating" tape calibration settings. It is very hazzy as IC701 is not a generic one. My buddy who have a 1000ZXL that faces sometimes troubles with the 400 Hz tone. Most of the time we cannot activate it, from then on, no ABLE function is possible. He don't want me for the instance for I check with my scope the ZXL bowels, because he love to serve the ZXL as player, and he don't want to depart of... Dumb that he is ! Regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:53:40 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:53:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Death of the Cassette References: <005301c13ec2$9c1fecc0$e005efd1@kevinrog> Message-ID: Hi Misha, I fully agree with you. It is just simple to delete the earliest thread & those: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > There is persons here who collects all the Naktalk messages and this is really unpleasant to face redundancy ! However, I just like what you guys do these days with our Naktalk !!! ;o) Please, try to delete useless msg, we already have all of them yet, thanks. Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov > Again 23 kilobytes with just two lines of meaningfull message.... > It will be no surprise for me if some day Wouter's server will refuse > to continue Naktalk. Please send plain text and do not include > all of the original message! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 17 02:10:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:10:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! References: <000101c13faa$672bd2c0$51237bd5@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003201c13f0d$56f66e80$24289bca@smarzuki> I'm thinking of getting my LX5 send me there ... to the land of SMEs. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thorens TD 125/124 - Salim! Keep that record deck! > Salim > > If bin Laden comes to Indonesia you can send your LX5 here for > safe-keeping!!! :o) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 17 02:05:24 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:05:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, Matyas and all for the info, Found exactly NEC 5101 memory chip today. Install the SRAM, cut the jumper cable, replace IC 802 which was connected to jumper - p.s. reset cable, replaced IC 809, 806 and 101 (just in case), also IC 805 (solder-happy) even replaced all 4066 on rec board .... nothing changed ! Definition of weird: 400hz test tone (internal / external) still 'fine' 0db input 0db result + noticable distortion but not a single song can get through rec head --- then I tried external 1k tone at 0db ... extremely muted result ! Similarly 100-200-300 and 500 hz also muted output at -20/30 db. So this deck can only record 400hz tone ... interesting. Have you ever experienced such problem ? Rec head is OK though - tested fine on 482. Finally replaced most bias area components, still the same. :-( Well, I got what I paid for ... at least now it has brand new ICs inside. By the way there are still plenty of NEC 5101 (some 20-30 chips) at $7.50 each just in case you need those. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > Pin 22 of the 5101 SRAM chip is the power supply input. Can't imagine why > it would be corroded unless there has been some chemical > contamination(water, leakage from a nearby electrolytic cap, and ?), but you > clearly need to work hard at finding the source of this. The replacement > need not be an NEC. The chips I found for it were Philips PC5101. It is a > common old 256x4bit static RAM chip. The only hitch is that some other > versions were the narrow package DIP. The PC5101 is at least one that is > wide like the NEC, but I don't know which others are. They were less than > $3 each from a computer chip supplier that Klaus found on the web for me. > The CP-4 terminal is the initial reset line from the power supply board. > There is no evidence in the manual & no memory in my head of the line being > additionally connected to the other ABLE board. Sounds like somebody was > trying to solve a problem with a patch, rather than fix things properly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 23:51:43 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:51:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WTC References: <10.128f4151.28d6e8f1@aol.com> <3BA5A1DA.F957F6AF@yahoo.com> <009101c13f4a$a6dcc2e0$6495ccd1@hppav> <3BA5B4B6.93149874@yahoo.com> <3BA5B7D8.4B637229@yahoo.com> <005b01c13f62$8aa50520$04bd16d0@0021976299> <3BA5F03E.1F8CCF23@yahoo.com> <002201c13fba$dbad01e0$be65a93f@0021976299> Message-ID: <3BA6706F.BEAAC89E@yahoo.com> The scenario I was referring to assumes there is a ground campaign. The carpet bombing won't do much damage and it will be impossible to get more than a few Afgans in the same place at the same time. The were known for operating in very small units using purely hit and run tactics. That's how they wore out the Russians. A week ago I would have agreed with you that the typical US regular is better trained than all but the best trained Russian special forces troop. But a week ago I would have never believed that a large jet could have come in all the way from Boston and reached the capital. The nearest fighters were more than 100 miles away and had to scramble at mach 2+ arriving too late to be of any use. This means that for who knows how many years a window existed whereby any bozo angry at his girlfriend or upset about his personal life could have taken out the Whitehouse! Unbelievable but true. Naturally my confidence in the ability of the United States to protect even it's most vital resources has been severely shaken. The US military of today is severely under funded and under manned The training the quality of the grunt is far below what it was in 1990. The idea I believe was too create a smaller leaner and more professional armed forces but with the economy being as good as it was until a year ago it became hard to attract quality people. Many of the seasoned military personnel wound up retiring and going into the already bloated law enforcement sector. This may explain in part why Feds of every flavour have been looking so eagerly for things to do often at the expence of our individual liberties. Welcome to the people's republic of America! Naturally the Clintonian democrats were at fault and I too am glad we have a Republican handling this rather than a Democrat. But this guy is the last republican I'de want in charge at a time like this. I might even prefer a very conservative democrat at this point. The intelligence community is in shambles with competing agencies getting in each others' way and perhaps interfering with each others' efforts often just through lack of communication. Law enforcement agencies like the FBI are now suddenly involved in the spy business often yeilding disastrous results. The problem seems to be that bin Laden whether is is responsible for this or not seems to be a better organizer than any of these guys. I'm sure the conflict will be resolved in favour of the US but it may be a rocky path they take. Ultimately I doubt they would have enough to convict this guy of terrorism in a fair court. See Ya Javier joel eidbo wrote: > > You misunderstand. They will not be going in to establish a "beachhead". > They will go in attack, kill as many crazies as they can, and then leave. > This will be repeated ad nauseum , as in essence, a reverse terrorism. > Secondly , our basic infantryman is far better trained and equipped than all > but the most elite soviet trooper. No comparison there. Bush's "top dogs" > (thank God), have vast military experience, which of course is why Desert > Storm was such an unprecedented success. Who would Gore call on (it's scary > just to even think about it)? > > You're right about one thing; there is something missing. I don't > understand why Afghanistan won't "cooperate" and turn Bin Laden over. I > wonder if behind the scenes they are telling us exactly where he is so we > can go in and capture or kill him? Russia may or may not participate, but > since they don't have two nickels to rub together, I would be more worried > about their weapons than their soldiers. God Bless America! > > ----- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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See Ya Javier joel eidbo wrote: > > that is a good point! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 01:03:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:03:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim, if you turn the "NR external/Dolby B" switch, do you hear some relay clicking from each RL301/RL302 (swithing combined with also 4066 ic303) ?(on the main PCB, at the base of the PB amp card I think.). Perhaps there is a bad relay or transistor for the command... Have you checked for brocken solders, tracks ? All the way you have a problem of source / internal tones switching. I have sent you the diagrams of the cpu pcb B board. hope its helps, but the copy quality is poor from the beginning. I don't know if it is usefull that I send you the main pcb diagrams, because the print quality is even worse!!! Perhaps, try to scope track the signal before to replace all ics that you find, no one is proof on ESD causing IC destruction...before soldering work. One more question : If you start a calibration, does the prosess is right ? If you replay the tape section used for calibration, is there the presence of 400Hz, mid & high frequencies shoped tones in both channels after the 400Hz portion used for azimuth & bias ? For now, it is late, good night! Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 02:28:35 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:28:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <005301c13e28$9519e240$de289bca@smarzuki> <002f01c13e1c$43dc4500$f7289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008201c13fd8$dbf77cc0$833442cf@sank1> The only 400Hz oscillator troubles I have seen on ZXL's have been due to the orange film caps. The circuit is located at the inside rear quadrant of the bottom of the two ABLE boards. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > --- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > > Matyas, I will call you psychic owner of psychotic 600II. First the scope > > and now ZXL static ram chip ! (I know the 600 is your friend's ... maybe > > you should consider getting it from him) And please don't mention bad > > things from now on. :-) > > (o; I'll try, buddy ! But 1000ZXL is so full of ICs... > > You can call me an actual 600II owner since 2 years, as I did forget in the > last mail to mention that my friend gaves me this deck, just after a month > to calm down my need to repair anything & Nakmania, but this Nak is obscure > to me. (I haven't its manual) > I envy you Salim, OP275 on the ZXL ! I have so many times heard about this > opamp ! > > >I put on OP275 on both pb + line amp and finetune head positioning again > .... > > what a deck ! Head position is almost spot on, thanks again. Too bad it > > can't record - yet. Just curious, what's your story on static ram chip ? > > The only story I have about the memory is the scary need of the custom made > computer to realign the heart of ABLE calibration system, and hopefully I > have not > yet face it. (but read on Naktalk) eventought, I am not that sure the 5101 > is involved in the set-up main back-up. It seems the 5101 is just the memory > for the A,B,C,D + "floating" tape calibration settings. It is very hazzy as > IC701 is not a generic one. > My buddy who have a 1000ZXL that faces sometimes troubles with the 400 Hz > tone. Most of the time we cannot activate it, from then on, no ABLE function > is possible. > He don't want me for the instance for I check with my scope the ZXL bowels, > because he love to serve the ZXL as player, and he don't want to depart > of... > Dumb that he is ! > Regards, Matyas > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 02:46:31 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:46:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> Matyas gave me a thought. Push the "manual nr/eq" button & then select "ext.NR" behind the door. Then, feed a signal to the ext.NR encode input jacks. See if you get any change. Incidentally, you should not be able to get the dolby/extNR switch to do anything without the manual eq/nr button selected, as this is treated as part of the a/b/c/d tape calibration data. Have you gotten rid of ALL of the orange film caps on ALL boards(except RAMM board, which won't matter for this problem)? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > Thanks Stephen, Matyas and all for the info, > > Found exactly NEC 5101 memory chip today. Install the SRAM, cut the jumper > cable, replace IC 802 which was connected to jumper - p.s. reset cable, > replaced IC 809, 806 and 101 (just in case), also IC 805 (solder-happy) even > replaced all 4066 on rec board .... nothing changed ! > > Definition of weird: 400hz test tone (internal / external) still 'fine' 0db > input 0db result + noticable distortion but not a single song can get > through rec head --- then I tried external 1k tone at 0db ... extremely > muted result ! Similarly 100-200-300 and 500 hz also muted output at -20/30 > db. So this deck can only record 400hz tone ... interesting. Have you ever > experienced such problem ? Rec head is OK though - tested fine on 482. > Finally replaced most bias area components, still the same. :-( > > Well, I got what I paid for ... at least now it has brand new ICs inside. > By the way there are still plenty of NEC 5101 (some 20-30 chips) at $7.50 > each just in case you need those. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > > > Pin 22 of the 5101 SRAM chip is the power supply input. Can't imagine why > > it would be corroded unless there has been some chemical > > contamination(water, leakage from a nearby electrolytic cap, and ?), but > you > > clearly need to work hard at finding the source of this. The replacement > > need not be an NEC. The chips I found for it were Philips PC5101. It is > a > > common old 256x4bit static RAM chip. The only hitch is that some other > > versions were the narrow package DIP. The PC5101 is at least one that is > > wide like the NEC, but I don't know which others are. They were less than > > $3 each from a computer chip supplier that Klaus found on the web for me. > > The CP-4 terminal is the initial reset line from the power supply board. > > There is no evidence in the manual & no memory in my head of the line > being > > additionally connected to the other ABLE board. Sounds like somebody was > > trying to solve a problem with a patch, rather than fix things properly. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 02:53:37 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:53:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD160 References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <3BA4DC13.DB270160@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BA69B11.A1A2DBE7@yahoo.com> The TD160 had what has since become known as the classic Thorens suspension. It's a leafs spring affair if I remember correctly. To many the 160 represents the natural successor to the 124. Although it's a complaetly different design it became the work horse of the Thorens line replacing the 124 and is one of the most desirable Thorens tables made. It's short on luxuries but long on quality You will have a lot of fun with it. See Ya Javier Matyas wrote: > > Javier, Warren, Graham ! > Thank you all for your considerations & tips. > My td160 arm is a thorens one, like the cartridge holder. > I am too young (25years) to have known most of the models you mentioned. > I don't know the exact arm's adjustment procedures. I know that you will be > kind to explain it to me in its time, but not for now, as I have not a lot > of time. (I enter the hospital for a maxillae-facial operation Thursday) But > I can tell you this TT sound very well to me, perhaps too smooth but have a > great articulation with dynamics. I plan to replace the cheesy phono wires > first, then to adjust the arm, then I will ask you for some > cartridge models that a shop proposes to me. > > Dumb to say, but it is so astonishing to place a TD160 on an old wooden > floor, to play a record loud in quiet passages, then to jump with violence > at the TT side. Absolutely NO subsonics went to disturb my boomers !!! > Lovely suspension ! > > Like you Javier, I listen a lot of metal, mostly extreme metal, less of > classic, but raw maedieval music, folk-traditional, Scandinavian, Gipsy, > Indian, French alternative songs, experimental etc.... > > Best regards, Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 03:46:24 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:46:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help Message-ID: <20010917.214625.-317003.2.josephj69@juno.com> Hi guys, I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used Krell KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I needed from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any source components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, there is hum coming the through the speakers. One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this preamp. My first thought is that the source components nearby (including the computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem whatsoever in this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be any different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the other - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf below the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? Again, I never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked this. Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told these things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 hours, and that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch anyway). Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and got a damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 04:23:01 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:23:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help (part 2) Message-ID: <20010917.222302.-317003.3.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, I was just moving the unit around and noticed something. I can reduce the hum significantly by separating the main preamp from the power supply. Note that the KRS-2 is a three box unit. The main unit and power supply are in identical aluminum component cabinets. The transformers are located in a separate outboard box that is some 6 feet from the other units. The odd thing is that these components (preamp and power supply) were designed to be stacked on top of each other (even says so in the manual). Is the hum the sign of a problem? The 5 pin DC interconnect was just purchased from Krell. A tech there had to assemble it for me using a 5 strand cable and two Lemo connectors. Is it possible he crossed two of the strands somewhere in there? - Joe On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:46:24 -0400 josephj69 at juno.com writes: > Hi guys, > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > Krell > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > needed > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > source > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > there > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this preamp. > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > the > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem whatsoever > in > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > any > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > other > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > below > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > Again, I > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked this. > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > these > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 hours, > and > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch anyway). > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and got > a > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > Thanks, > Joe > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 17 06:48:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:48:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD160 References: <3BA45BA7.BB0D3D28@yahoo.com> <019101c13e8e$bf19c5e0$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA47695.91B80AE6@yahoo.com> <000f01c13e98$992e8b40$ebee3fd0@oemcomputer> <3BA487C3.F316D62D@yahoo.com> <3BA4DC13.DB270160@yahoo.com> <3BA69B11.A1A2DBE7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c13f3c$b68bfde0$b5199bca@smarzuki> How different is this suspension compared to 165 ? My stock arm seems to be dancin' at the slight cause of vibration. Matyas, out of very limited choice over here, my pick is Audio Technica AT152MLP. Have fun ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD160 > The TD160 had what has since become known as the classic Thorens > suspension. It's a leafs spring affair if I remember correctly. > To many the 160 represents the natural successor to the 124. > Although it's a complaetly different design it became the work horse of > the Thorens line replacing the 124 and is one of the most desirable > Thorens tables made. It's short on luxuries but long on quality > You will have a lot of fun with it. > > See Ya > > Javier > > Matyas wrote: > > > > Javier, Warren, Graham ! > > Thank you all for your considerations & tips. > > My td160 arm is a thorens one, like the cartridge holder. > > I am too young (25years) to have known most of the models you mentioned. > > I don't know the exact arm's adjustment procedures. I know that you will be > > kind to explain it to me in its time, but not for now, as I have not a lot > > of time. (I enter the hospital for a maxillae-facial operation Thursday) But > > I can tell you this TT sound very well to me, perhaps too smooth but have a > > great articulation with dynamics. I plan to replace the cheesy phono wires > > first, then to adjust the arm, then I will ask you for some > > cartridge models that a shop proposes to me. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 17 07:46:34 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:46:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Interesting, upon switching to 'ext' nothing came through but when I switch back to 'out' there a short burst of noise / input and then silent again. Already replaced 4066 close to relay but didn't help, I'll look at surrounding transistors and clean the relay soon. There is not a single orange caps left inside, I replaced 4 on main board, all on upper ABLE / bias and rec eq boards. Those on lower ABLE / level and dolby nr boards have been replaced previously and none on pb amp board (and RAMM) to start with. Matyas, thanks much for the dejavu files ! The ABLE process can't even finish first step due to high distortion on recording result. At least this conforms to problem on 680 awhile ago - after recording amp is working well, the 680 can finish its auto azimuth calibration. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > Matyas gave me a thought. Push the "manual nr/eq" button & then select > "ext.NR" behind the door. Then, feed a signal to the ext.NR encode input > jacks. See if you get any change. Incidentally, you should not be able to > get the dolby/extNR switch to do anything without the manual eq/nr button > selected, as this is treated as part of the a/b/c/d tape calibration data. > Have you gotten rid of ALL of the orange film caps on ALL boards(except RAMM > board, which won't matter for this problem)? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 06:00:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:00:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help References: <20010917.214625.-317003.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <010a01c13ff6$701ae500$833442cf@sank1> The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power supply cable. Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? Computers are great noise generators, especially noise into the AC power lines. But, of course, I would expect the KRS-2, being heavily shielded & with a massive supply, to be much more immune to such things than the Adcom, but you never know. Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three boxes), literally, with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some cracked soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it easier to spot any bad solder joints. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Hi guys, > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used Krell > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I needed > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any source > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, there > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this preamp. > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including the > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem whatsoever in > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be any > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the other > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf below > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? Again, I > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked this. > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told these > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 hours, and > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch anyway). > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and got a > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > Thanks, > Joe > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 06:10:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:10:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage before this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get signal in that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not see anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > Hi Stephen, > > Interesting, upon switching to 'ext' nothing came through but when I switch > back to 'out' there a short burst of noise / input and then silent again. > Already replaced 4066 close to relay but didn't help, I'll look at > surrounding transistors and clean the relay soon. > > There is not a single orange caps left inside, I replaced 4 on main board, > all on upper ABLE / bias and rec eq boards. Those on lower ABLE / level and > dolby nr boards have been replaced previously and none on pb amp board (and > RAMM) to start with. > > Matyas, thanks much for the dejavu files ! The ABLE process can't even > finish first step due to high distortion on recording result. At least this > conforms to problem on 680 awhile ago - after recording amp is working well, > the 680 can finish its auto azimuth calibration. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > > > Matyas gave me a thought. Push the "manual nr/eq" button & then select > > "ext.NR" behind the door. Then, feed a signal to the ext.NR encode input > > jacks. See if you get any change. Incidentally, you should not be able > to > > get the dolby/extNR switch to do anything without the manual eq/nr button > > selected, as this is treated as part of the a/b/c/d tape calibration data. > > Have you gotten rid of ALL of the orange film caps on ALL boards(except > RAMM > > board, which won't matter for this problem)? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Sep 15 06:50:10 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:20:10 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: heat sink Message-ID: <003e01c13da1$e6a84160$42d60192@vsnl> My suggestion would be same as Stephen to drill holes at the bottom as well as on rear to allow air circulation. Nak had finally put in holes on CR5/7 but why didn't they do it for Dragon? I got the answer when I examined a Mint Dragon - It did not produce any heat!( absolutely no heat - just warm!!!) Yeah; real Dragon lovers should get hold of Mint Dragon to enjoy the way it handles the tape. I think after considerable use, as well as high ambient temperatures -of our Indian climate - or any other such environment makes the Dragon to operate pretty hot inside- I think the motors ( DD) draw more current causing the Voltage regulators to work harder. I operated the old Dragon with the top cover off ; it ran pretty cool. Even if you allow it work without cooling ; it works clean. Drill those holes if the Dragon is not for sale in future as I do not know how many collectors will appreciate this tech stuff with visible holes? kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: heat sink >If you really want to make the Dragon run cooler, the best way I can think >of, and also the least aesthetically offensive, would be to drill two arrays >of holes in the bottom panel, one array under the rear end of the left & the >other toward the front of the left(under gap between power PCB & transport). >Then, mount a small fan, like a high grade CPU fan, under the front array, >blowing inward. Be sure to drill the holes with the bottom panel removed!:) > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matyas" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:46 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: heat sink > > >> Ok, lets forget the mounting copper bar idea ! >> Thanks Kannan & Stephen ! Revox sinks are well designed in this amp (class >> AB, ~50 Wpc rms), and it doesn't suffer from heat problems. It was just a >> thought about improvements of the sinking speed, leaded by articles I read >> on "Memory effect Distortion" that belongs to transistors. :-) I know a >> person that will anodise my sinks for cheap. >> >> About Dragons, I find them to be running too hot. >> Along with your heat sink metal replacement advice, will you recommend to >> drill a series of holes on the rear panel, to let the air circulating ? It >> is since I own a Dragon that I want to do it, but I am refrained be my >> respect for this deck. >> Matyas >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 07:09:21 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:09:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help Message-ID: <20010918.010921.-291841.0.josephj69@juno.com> Hey Stephen, Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money and time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm really in serious (financial) trouble. > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power supply > cable. I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, of course, be calling him in the morning. > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the source selector is set to the off position. I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have an adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed to happen in a high end preamp??? > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be surprised. > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three boxes), literally, > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some cracked > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > easier to spot any bad solder joints. Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC cord), but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you think? Thanks again, Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > Krell > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > needed > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > source > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > there > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > preamp. > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > the > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > whatsoever in > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > any > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > other > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > below > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > Again, I > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > this. > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > these > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > hours, and > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > anyway). > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > got a > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Sep 15 07:13:23 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:43:23 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <009201c13da5$249187e0$42d60192@vsnl> I share similar excitement of Matyas regarding 1000ZXL - possibly because of not only its technical specsbut for myths like what Matyas tell us. Still 1000ZXL as well as 700 ZXL are the Nak's pinnacle of Cassette Deck technology probably fine tuned later on CR7/ Dragon wish you all the best - do not touch any thing until the servicemanual copy is in your hand! kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks >Salim you are a very lucky men !!!! >Even if this 1000ZXL needs work, it REALLY worth it ! I know well this deck >as user (deck of a buddy), I own the whole schematics but miss all >adjustment procedures. Best thing to do is of course to not touch any of the >trimpots at all before having studied carefully the monster as per manual. >You certainly recall some months ago my quest to build myself the 1000ZXL >playback amplifier alone. Understand this in, that any part of this deck is >Artwork. The best player from Nakamichi, without any doubt. >On recording side, you will be amazed by its distortion free sound. > >A great chance is that all the head for this deck are available. > >Nakamichi 582 is just their ugliest deck but its sound is of a very special >class, the one that allows it to present itself front to the ZXL without >shame, moreover it let you pardon its aesthetic. To me it is their most >honest deck, >truly. > >About versions of the 1000ZXL, they are two. >-optimisation of PCB layout. >-And as an ancient seller tells me that earlier ones had mat varnish wooden >cabinet, >then the second have a magnificent shinning varnish. >The second version, according to this men, perform better. > >I am fully with you in measure of my possible for this rescue mission ! >It will be easy to set correctly the heads if you haven't test tapes, thanks >to your Dragon... and to our DIY jigs ! >The only obscure point for the common of mortal like us, is the computer >interface & software for its calibration set-up, as it was discussed here >many times ago. I wish you luck to not have trouble with the static memory. >If any, think you are about to hold in your hands a supernatural player !!! >(better than Revox black B-215-S !) > >Best regards, >Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Sep 18 05:56:55 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:26:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem Message-ID: <005101c13ff5$f5967420$42d60192@vsnl> I do not know whether I am giving a solution - because I could not get your points coherently. But do the following to make sure other than ABLE is fine - hope you have some basic Schematics at hand - otherwise wait till you lay your hands on such guidance - without which you are going to get confused Check whether record signal - try 40/ 100 Hz; 400 HZ; 6/10 Khz range - is amplified by the record amp - using a scope or VTVM ( Scope can show whether the amp is distorting it or not?) at the record head end - refer bias peaking adjustment procedure of any other NAk. Since ABLE memory keeps the record equalisation feed back components positions- I remember the record amp is very elaborate in 1000ZXL circuit - it is very cruicial. Secondly the record bias positions - that portion also dictated by ABLE memory positions. Check record bias-current for different tapes. Without these two of correct positions your recording will be distorted and will have bizarre results. kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > >Thanks Stephen, Matyas and all for the info, > >Found exactly NEC 5101 memory chip today. Install the SRAM, cut the jumper >cable, replace IC 802 which was connected to jumper - p.s. reset cable, >replaced IC 809, 806 and 101 (just in case), also IC 805 (solder-happy) even >replaced all 4066 on rec board .... nothing changed ! > >Definition of weird: 400hz test tone (internal / external) still 'fine' 0db >input 0db result + noticable distortion but not a single song can get >through rec head --- then I tried external 1k tone at 0db ... extremely >muted result ! Similarly 100-200-300 and 500 hz also muted output at -20/30 >db. So this deck can only record 400hz tone ... interesting. Have you ever >experienced such problem ? Rec head is OK though - tested fine on 482. >Finally replaced most bias area components, still the same. :-( > >Well, I got what I paid for ... at least now it has brand new ICs inside. >By the way there are still plenty of NEC 5101 (some 20-30 chips) at $7.50 >each just in case you need those. > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen Sank" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:45 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Disable the ABLE > > >> Pin 22 of the 5101 SRAM chip is the power supply input. Can't imagine why >> it would be corroded unless there has been some chemical >> contamination(water, leakage from a nearby electrolytic cap, and ?), but >you >> clearly need to work hard at finding the source of this. The replacement >> need not be an NEC. The chips I found for it were Philips PC5101. It is >a >> common old 256x4bit static RAM chip. The only hitch is that some other >> versions were the narrow package DIP. The PC5101 is at least one that is >> wide like the NEC, but I don't know which others are. They were less than >> $3 each from a computer chip supplier that Klaus found on the web for me. >> The CP-4 terminal is the initial reset line from the power supply board. >> There is no evidence in the manual & no memory in my head of the line >being >> additionally connected to the other ABLE board. Sounds like somebody was >> trying to solve a problem with a patch, rather than fix things properly. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 18 07:39:23 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:39:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem Message-ID: <20010918053923.CAVF1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Stephen, Yes, the external signal is fed through encode input jacks, and appeared in short burst only when switching ext NR back to 'off' position, and silent afterwards. Nothing on meter in 'source' position, short burst seen on 'tape' position. The 3 opamps on rec eq board already replaced (with used 4558, I'll get new ones soon). I noticed that there are tantalums on that board (not on other naks) but the solder is original though. One dolby chip was also replaced with no effect. Are you referring to internal test tone signal when you say oscillator signal ? Yes, that's really strange. Anyway I'll squint through the schematics tonight. What a complex diagram ! Best regards, Salim SM > Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when > switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage before > this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get signal in > that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not see > anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three > opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 18 07:59:39 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:59:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks Message-ID: <20010918055939.CEWZ1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hi Kannan, thanks for your wishes, I need that ! :-) Yes that's the wisest advice ... but how can one have that kind of patience ? Especially if you have chip with one broken pin, maybe that's the problem. Well, no, hm, but this bias chip also looks corroded. Ah, not this one. Hey, I had faulty 4066s on 680, that's gotta be it ! Anyway ... you get the idea. :-) No manual, no knowledge but ZXL is in front of you, waving, calling your name ... too much for a mere mortal. After this exercise I'll have a hand like Arnold Schwarzie from all this pumping solder tin. Or was he pumping iron ? Best regards, Salim SM > I share similar excitement of Matyas regarding 1000ZXL - possibly because of > not only its technical specsbut for myths like what Matyas tell us. > Still 1000ZXL as well as 700 ZXL are the Nak's pinnacle of Cassette Deck > technology probably fine tuned later on CR7/ Dragon > wish you all the best - do not touch any thing until the servicemanual copy > is in your hand! > kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > >Salim you are a very lucky men !!!! > >Even if this 1000ZXL needs work, it REALLY worth it ! I know well this deck > >as user (deck of a buddy), I own the whole schematics but miss all > >adjustment procedures. Best thing to do is of course to not touch any of > the > >trimpots at all before having studied carefully the monster as per manual. > >You certainly recall some months ago my quest to build myself the 1000ZXL > >playback amplifier alone. Understand this in, that any part of this deck is > >Artwork. The best player from Nakamichi, without any doubt. > >On recording side, you will be amazed by its distortion free sound. > > > >A great chance is that all the head for this deck are available. > > > >Nakamichi 582 is just their ugliest deck but its sound is of a very special > >class, the one that allows it to present itself front to the ZXL without > >shame, moreover it let you pardon its aesthetic. To me it is their most > >honest deck, > >truly. > > > >About versions of the 1000ZXL, they are two. > >-optimisation of PCB layout. > >-And as an ancient seller tells me that earlier ones had mat varnish wooden > >cabinet, > >then the second have a magnificent shinning varnish. > >The second version, according to this men, perform better. > > > >I am fully with you in measure of my possible for this rescue mission ! > >It will be easy to set correctly the heads if you haven't test tapes, > thanks > >to your Dragon... and to our DIY jigs ! > >The only obscure point for the common of mortal like us, is the computer > >interface & software for its calibration set-up, as it was discussed here > >many times ago. I wish you luck to not have trouble with the static memory. > >If any, think you are about to hold in your hands a supernatural player !!! > >(better than Revox black B-215-S !) > > > >Best regards, > >Matyas > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ==== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 08:04:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help References: <20010918.010921.-291841.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <014e01c14007$d0f43aa0$833442cf@sank1> The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground circuit is not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further evidenced by the input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty damn sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A bad ground circuit would negate the shorting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Hey Stephen, > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money and > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power > supply > > cable. > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the > source selector is set to the off position. > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have an > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed to > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be > surprised. > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three > boxes), literally, > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some > cracked > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC cord), > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you think? > > > Thanks again, > Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > > Krell > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > > needed > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > > source > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > > there > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > > preamp. > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > > the > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > whatsoever in > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > > any > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > > other > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > > below > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > > Again, I > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > > this. > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > > these > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > > hours, and > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > anyway). > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > > got a > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl Tue Sep 18 08:23:31 2001 From: N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl (N.van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:23:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Modify the Nakamichi PA5 / PA7 Message-ID: Hello Naktalkers This is what the author of the article (modification the NAKAMICHI PA5) wrote to me: Sorry for the delay in response...you need to get the schematic for the amp,it will cost about 30 bucks. Parallel C102 (and C202, 1 and 2 represent left and right channels respectively) with a 150 microfarad 200 volt capacitor. Replace R108 (and R208) with a 10K ohm resistor. That represents the median value as the resistor value takes some trial and error...if you hear hum or noise thru your speaker reduce the value of the resistor. I have gone as high as 50k ohms (not a good choice). Factory value is 2.1k ohm which represents 'way too much feedback. They selected that value,I think,to have the steady-state distortion specs look good on paper. All this applies to the PA7 also...identical manual except for number of output transistors and power supply size. Be VERY careful soldering and unsoldering,the foil on the board(s) comes up very easily. This amp is unique,along with the original Stasis amps, in that it has no overall feedback, this feedback loop only extends across the input differential pair. The capacitor shapes the frequency response/phase shift for the loop and the resistor sets overall level of feedback. Expect a turn-on thump when the amp comes on...just like the real Stasis amps. It is low level and harmless. Another mod is to jumper across the speaker relays, I chose not to do that as I felt the gains were too small to risk losing the nice protection circuitry. Good luck and Good listening! Well Stephan what do you think of that? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 08:42:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:42:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Modify the Nakamichi PA5 / PA7 References: Message-ID: <016201c1400d$092114c0$833442cf@sank1> I'll have to look over my PA-7 manual in the morning to confirm, but it sounds sensible. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Modify the Nakamichi PA5 / PA7 > Hello Naktalkers > > This is what the author of the article (modification the NAKAMICHI PA5) wrote to me: > > Sorry for the delay in response...you need to get the schematic for the > amp,it will cost about 30 bucks. Parallel C102 (and C202, 1 and 2 represent > left and right channels respectively) with a 150 microfarad 200 volt > capacitor. Replace R108 (and R208) with a 10K ohm resistor. That represents > the median value as the resistor value takes some trial and error...if you > hear hum or noise thru your speaker reduce the value of the resistor. I have > gone as high as 50k ohms (not a good choice). Factory value is 2.1k ohm > which represents 'way too much feedback. They selected that value,I think,to > have the steady-state distortion specs look good on paper. All this applies > to the PA7 also...identical manual except for number of output transistors > and power supply size. Be VERY careful soldering and unsoldering,the foil > on the board(s) comes up very easily. > This amp is unique,along with the > original Stasis amps, in that it has no overall feedback, this feedback loop > only extends across the input differential pair. The capacitor shapes the > frequency > response/phase shift for the loop and the resistor sets overall level of > feedback. > Expect a turn-on thump when the amp comes on...just like the real Stasis > amps. > It is low level and harmless. Another mod is to jumper across the speaker > relays, > I chose not to do that as I felt the gains were too small to risk losing the > nice protection > circuitry. Good luck and Good listening! > > > > Well Stephan what do you think of that? > > Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 15:57:23 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:57:23 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help Message-ID: <20010918.095725.15499.6176@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I really do hope that's the problem. If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the wire itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type PCC FT4 XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something wrong with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? - Joe ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: From: "Stephen Sank" To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground circuit is not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further evidenced by the input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty damn sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A bad ground circuit would negate the shorting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Hey Stephen, > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money and > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power > supply > > cable. > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the > source selector is set to the off position. > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have an > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed to > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be > surprised. > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three > boxes), literally, > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some > cracked > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC cord), > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you think? > > > Thanks again, > Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > > Krell > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > > needed > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > > source > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > > there > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > > preamp. > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > > the > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > whatsoever in > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > > any > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > > other > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > > below > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > > Again, I > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > > this. > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > > these > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > > hours, and > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > anyway). > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > > got a > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joe > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 18 16:49:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:49:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help References: <20010918.095725.15499.6176@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <005701c14051$16fea3c0$453442cf@sank1> It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about all that can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or not. I think that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo connectors. I'd put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I really do hope that's the problem. > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the wire itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type PCC FT4 XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something wrong with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > - Joe > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground circuit is > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further evidenced by the > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty damn > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A bad > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money and > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power > > supply > > > cable. > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have an > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed to > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be > > surprised. > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three > > boxes), literally, > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some > > cracked > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC cord), > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you think? > > > > > > Thanks again, > > Joe > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > > > Krell > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > > > needed > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > > > source > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > > > there > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > > > the > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > whatsoever in > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > > > any > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > > > other > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > > > below > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > > > Again, I > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > > > this. > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > > > these > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > > > hours, and > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > > > got a > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 18 21:00:38 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: latest on the humming Krell Message-ID: <20010918.150051.25417.4637@wm4.jersey.juno.com> Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. The tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple �pass through� cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source of the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before shipping, and that current did flow through it properly. He also said that if any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not work at all. Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be bad and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If armed with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps it is the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. He did say that because the associated equipment works flawlessly with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the Krell unit itself. I�m about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me (I assume free of charge). If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to ship this each way, and I�d rather avoid the $80 expense. But I�m also not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also require a day out of work. Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the lead, or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I have yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That will be the first thing I do tonight. Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. - Joe ----- Original message ----- It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about all that can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or not. I think that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo connectors. I'd put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I really do hope that's the problem. > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the wire itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type PCC FT4 XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something wrong with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > - Joe > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground circuit is > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further evidenced by the > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty damn > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A bad > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money and > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power > > supply > > > cable. > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have an > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed to > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be > > surprised. > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the three > > boxes), literally, > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some > > cracked > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & all > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC cord), > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you think? > > > > > > Thanks again, > > Joe > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > > > Krell > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > > > needed > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > > > source > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > > > there > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > > > the > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > whatsoever in > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > > > any > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > > > other > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > > > below > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > > > Again, I > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > > > this. > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > > > these > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > > > hours, and > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > > > got a > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 18 00:21:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 05:21:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> Stephen, I stand corrected, the signal got through on encode-input jacks, but still the same meaningless noise. Looks like meter didn't show anything even on "tape" - when I play it back, the garbage's there. Replaced some more 4560 on main board, now all external tones 100-1000hz achieved same level as input, but still can't record any song ! Amazing. Previous 'techie' put the jumper from 'initial reset' to pin 13 & 15 of IC802, which should've been grounded and he innovatively cut the ground trace to those 2 pins. No change after ground is reconnected though. But now once ABLE failed the row of lights flashes. I'd better wait for the manual. :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when > switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage before > this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get signal in > that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not see > anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three > opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Tue Sep 18 22:57:11 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:57:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual incompleet? Message-ID: <000a01c14084$7e1a5440$dd8955c3@amd> Hello, a long time ago i scanned a lot of service manuals for support.naks.com and i wonder if the Dragon manual is not compleet because i have the compleet scan on my computer at home. I asked myself if i forgot to upload the last part of the manual or is there other wise something happend with it? Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 01:22:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:22:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017701c14098$d5b80c60$453442cf@sank1> Hey, that's progress! The bank of ABLE lights are supposed to flash when calibration fails to go properly. ABLE CPU seems absolutely free from suspicion now, in case there remained any doubt. Can't imagine what that other tech was trying to achieve with that jumper. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > Stephen, I stand corrected, the signal got through on encode-input jacks, > but still the same meaningless noise. Looks like meter didn't show anything > even on "tape" - when I play it back, the garbage's there. Replaced some > more 4560 on main board, now all external tones 100-1000hz achieved same > level as input, but still can't record any song ! Amazing. > > Previous 'techie' put the jumper from 'initial reset' to pin 13 & 15 of > IC802, which should've been grounded and he innovatively cut the ground > trace to those 2 pins. No change after ground is reconnected though. But > now once ABLE failed the row of lights flashes. I'd better wait for the > manual. :-( > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > > > Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when > > switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage before > > this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get signal > in > > that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not see > > anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three > > opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 01:33:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:33:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: latest on the humming Krell References: <20010918.150051.25417.4637@wm4.jersey.juno.com> Message-ID: <01b001c1409a$50dbae00$453442cf@sank1> Krell refuses to release schematics to anybody(scumbags), so I've never seen one for the KRS-2. As yet, have had no trouble servicing them without, though. So, I don't know if one can lose a ground line in the cable, via bad soldering, & have a yet working preamp or not. The bad solder joint could also be on the jack inside either unit, though. I would ask the Krell guy to be really specific about what charges may be due if you send the unit & a)they find the fault is in the cable, or b)they find a fault in the KRS-2. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: latest on the humming Krell > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. The tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source of the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before shipping, and that current did flow through it properly. He also said that if any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not work at all. > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be bad and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If armed with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps it is the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > He did say that because the associated equipment works flawlessly with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the Krell unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me (I assume free of charge). > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to ship this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm also not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also require a day out of work. > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the lead, or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I have yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That will be the first thing I do tonight. > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > - Joe > > > ----- Original message ----- > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about all that > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or not. I think > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo connectors. I'd > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I really do > hope that's the problem. > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the wire > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type PCC FT4 > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something wrong > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground circuit is > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further evidenced by > the > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty damn > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A bad > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the money > and > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, I'm > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad power > > > supply > > > > cable. > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. several > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been assinged to > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. I will, > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and the Adcom > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if the > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when I have > an > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in the CD > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear the CD > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not supposed > to > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? Perhaps > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my past > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't be > > > surprised. > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of the > three > > > boxes), literally, > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe some > > > cracked > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more lightly & > all > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will make it > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are all made > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my hands! > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp unit > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new DC > cord), > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce it. I > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that these > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable theory. > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do you > think? > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought a used > > > > Krell > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing part I > > > > needed > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the speakers, > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether any > > > > source > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp is on, > > > > there > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten to do > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on this > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby (including > > > > the > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell would be > > > > any > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx on the > > > > other > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the shelf > > > > below > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded somehow? > > > > Again, I > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed liked > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I was told > > > > these > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least 24 > > > > hours, and > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off and > > > > got a > > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 01:40:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:40:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Modify the Nakamichi PA5 / PA7 References: Message-ID: <01c001c1409b$57a627a0$453442cf@sank1> Looking at the schematics, those two components determine gain setting & low frequency corner(to prevent DC gain) of the whole circuit. I don't really see how either would have a whole lot of effect on the midrange/uppers, but you never know until you try in such things. Raising the value of the resistor, R108/208, reduces the gain of the amp, and I would think it unwise to go over 10k(which brings the gain down to 5v/v, vs about 25v/v). Raising the value of C102/202 lowers the gain cutoff frequency, which should solidify the bass response. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Modify the Nakamichi PA5 / PA7 > Hello Naktalkers > > This is what the author of the article (modification the NAKAMICHI PA5) wrote to me: > > Sorry for the delay in response...you need to get the schematic for the > amp,it will cost about 30 bucks. Parallel C102 (and C202, 1 and 2 represent > left and right channels respectively) with a 150 microfarad 200 volt > capacitor. Replace R108 (and R208) with a 10K ohm resistor. That represents > the median value as the resistor value takes some trial and error...if you > hear hum or noise thru your speaker reduce the value of the resistor. I have > gone as high as 50k ohms (not a good choice). Factory value is 2.1k ohm > which represents 'way too much feedback. They selected that value,I think,to > have the steady-state distortion specs look good on paper. All this applies > to the PA7 also...identical manual except for number of output transistors > and power supply size. Be VERY careful soldering and unsoldering,the foil > on the board(s) comes up very easily. > This amp is unique,along with the > original Stasis amps, in that it has no overall feedback, this feedback loop > only extends across the input differential pair. The capacitor shapes the > frequency > response/phase shift for the loop and the resistor sets overall level of > feedback. > Expect a turn-on thump when the amp comes on...just like the real Stasis > amps. > It is low level and harmless. Another mod is to jumper across the speaker > relays, > I chose not to do that as I felt the gains were too small to risk losing the > nice protection > circuitry. Good luck and Good listening! > > > > Well Stephan what do you think of that? > > Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Sep 19 01:20:22 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:20:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell Message-ID: <20010918.194339.-287797.0.josephj69@juno.com> I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall plug - no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as well - no difference. I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall jack - no difference. In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is still happening. The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad as it was last night - could this mean something??? My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a simple bad solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that the hum decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If there's an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the interconnect is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at Krell. On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing back to Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is encouraging. - Joe On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. The > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple “pass > through” cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source of > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before shipping, > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said that if > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not work > at all. > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be bad > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If armed > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps it is > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > He did say that because the associated equipment works flawlessly > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the Krell > unit itself. I’m about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me (I > assume free of charge). > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to ship > this each way, and I’d rather avoid the $80 expense. But I’m also > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > require a day out of work. > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the lead, > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I have > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That will be > the first thing I do tonight. > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > - Joe > > > ----- Original message ----- > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about all > that > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or not. > I think > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > connectors. I'd > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > really do > hope that's the problem. > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the > wire > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type > PCC FT4 > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something > wrong > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > - Joe > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground > circuit is > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > evidenced by > the > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty > damn > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A > bad > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the > money > and > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, > I'm > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad > power > > > supply > > > > cable. > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. > several > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > assinged to > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. > I will, > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and > the Adcom > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if > the > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when > I have > an > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in > the CD > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear > the CD > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not > supposed > to > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? > Perhaps > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > past > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't > be > > > surprised. > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of > the > three > > > boxes), literally, > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe > some > > > cracked > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > lightly & > all > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will > make it > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are > all made > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > hands! > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp > unit > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new > DC > cord), > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce > it. I > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that > these > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable > theory. > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do > you > think? > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought > a used > > > > Krell > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing > part I > > > > needed > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > speakers, > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether > any > > > > source > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp > is on, > > > > there > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten > to do > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > this > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > (including > > > > the > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > would be > > > > any > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx > on the > > > > other > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the > shelf > > > > below > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > somehow? > > > > Again, I > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed > liked > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I > was told > > > > these > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least > 24 > > > > hours, and > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off > and > > > > got a > > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? > Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Joe > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Sep 19 02:09:36 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:09:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: latest on the humming Krell Message-ID: <20010918.201013.-287797.2.josephj69@juno.com> > The bad solder joint could also be on the jack inside either unit, though. I took both top panels off. I can only report what I can see visually, but the wires coming out of each jack on the inside of each unit appear to be very secure. The wires in the preamp go directly to the main circuit board, and the soldering there looks very strong. The wires in the power supply go underneath the main board, so I can't see where those are connected. > I would ask the Krell guy to be really specific about what charges may be due if you send the unit > & a)they find the fault is in the cable, or b)they find a fault in the KRS-2. Excellent point. I assume it would be best for me to drive it there personally, but I don't think that's going to be practical. - Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:00 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: latest on the humming Krell > > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > The tech > manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass through" > cable, it > is very unlikely that it could be the source of the hum. He > explained that > he did test the cable before shipping, and that current did flow > through it > properly. He also said that if any of the 5 internal leads were > misrouted, > the unit would not work at all. > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be bad > and induce > this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If armed with this > information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps it is the cable > after > all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works flawlessly > with my > prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the Krell unit > itself. > I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT factory. He said > that if I > come by, he would look at it for me (I assume free of charge). > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > ship this > each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm also not > too keen > on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also require a day out > of > work. > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > lead, or > anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I have yet > to try > using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That will be the first > thing I > do tonight. > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > - Joe > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > all that > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > not. I > think > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > connectors. > I'd > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > really do > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the > wire > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > Type PCC > FT4 > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > something wrong > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground > circuit > is > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > evidenced by > > the > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > pretty damn > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. > A bad > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > the money > > and > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > lemon, I'm > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > bad power > > > > supply > > > > > cable. > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. > several > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > assinged to > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. > I > will, > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and > the > Adcom > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even > if the > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > when I have > > an > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in > the CD > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear > the CD > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not > supposed > > to > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > me? > Perhaps > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > past > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > wouldn't be > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > of the > > three > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe > some > > > > cracked > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > lightly & > > all > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > will make > it > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > are all > made > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > hands! > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > preamp unit > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > the > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > new DC > > cord), > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > reduce it. > I > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that > these > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > cable > theory. > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do > you > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > bought a used > > > > > Krell > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing > part I > > > > > needed > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > speakers, > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether > any > > > > > source > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp > is on, > > > > > there > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten > to do > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > this > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > (including > > > > > the > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > would be > > > > > any > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > 660zx on the > > > > > other > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > the shelf > > > > > below > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > somehow? > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed > liked > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I > was told > > > > > these > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least > 24 > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > switch > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > off and > > > > > got a > > > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? > Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 18 04:18:07 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:18:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> <017701c14098$d5b80c60$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001e01c13fe9$b83fbfc0$f1289bca@smarzuki> Thank goodness ! The calib. never got past azimuth step though, even after a long time (682 has a 'limit' for its test), as you said looks like one logic / chip fails to 'report' that azimuth motor already stopped. So I need to manually interevene - and when I hit pause it rewinds to 0 and flashes. Well at least yesterday it didn't do that. When I play it back there's the recorded 400hz tone much over 0 db probably the "level" process didn't even start - that's the sequence right ? or is bias next ? After a bit familiar with what's inside .... $2000 was one huge premium for this auto calibration ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > Hey, that's progress! The bank of ABLE lights are supposed to flash when > calibration fails to go properly. ABLE CPU seems absolutely free from > suspicion now, in case there remained any doubt. Can't imagine what that > other tech was trying to achieve with that jumper. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > > > > > Stephen, I stand corrected, the signal got through on encode-input jacks, > > but still the same meaningless noise. Looks like meter didn't show > anything > > even on "tape" - when I play it back, the garbage's there. Replaced some > > more 4560 on main board, now all external tones 100-1000hz achieved same > > level as input, but still can't record any song ! Amazing. > > > > Previous 'techie' put the jumper from 'initial reset' to pin 13 & 15 of > > IC802, which should've been grounded and he innovatively cut the ground > > trace to those 2 pins. No change after ground is reconnected though. But > > now once ABLE failed the row of lights flashes. I'd better wait for the > > manual. :-( > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > > > > > > Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when > > > switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage > before > > > this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get signal > > in > > > that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not > see > > > anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three > > > opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 18 03:52:44 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:52:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual incompleet? References: <000a01c14084$7e1a5440$dd8955c3@amd> Message-ID: <001d01c13fe9$b3d512a0$f1289bca@smarzuki> Hi Norman, I believe only the schematics are missing - and I print those long time ago. Thanks much for your support to Nak diy-ers ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual incompleet? Hello, a long time ago i scanned a lot of service manuals for support.naks.com and i wonder if the Dragon manual is not compleet because i have the compleet scan on my computer at home. I asked myself if i forgot to upload the last part of the manual or is there other wise something happend with it? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 05:05:24 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell References: <20010918.194339.-287797.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <025101c140b7$edd5f720$453442cf@sank1> If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, then it would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units stacked if one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why that is, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall plug - > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as well - > no difference. > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall jack - > no difference. > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is still > happening. > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad as it > was last night - could this mean something??? > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a simple bad > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that the hum > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If there's > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the interconnect > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at Krell. > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing back to > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > encouraging. > > - Joe > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. The > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source of > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before shipping, > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said that if > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not work > > at all. > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be bad > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If armed > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps it is > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works flawlessly > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the Krell > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me (I > > assume free of charge). > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to ship > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm also > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > require a day out of work. > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the lead, > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I have > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That will be > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > - Joe > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about all > > that > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or not. > > I think > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > connectors. I'd > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > help > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > really do > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on the > > wire > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA Type > > PCC FT4 > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there something > > wrong > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the ground > > circuit is > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > evidenced by > > the > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am pretty > > damn > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent this. A > > bad > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all the > > money > > and > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a lemon, > > I'm > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a bad > > power > > > > supply > > > > > cable. > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service dept. > > several > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > assinged to > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the problem. > > I will, > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned off? > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it and > > the Adcom > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, even if > > the > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through when > > I have > > an > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing in > > the CD > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can hear > > the CD > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was not > > supposed > > to > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show me? > > Perhaps > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > past > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I wouldn't > > be > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each of > > the > > three > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is maybe > > some > > > > cracked > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > lightly & > > all > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which will > > make it > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these are > > all made > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > hands! > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main preamp > > unit > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain the > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the new > > DC > > cord), > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly reduce > > it. I > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states that > > these > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked it). > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC cable > > theory. > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What do > > you > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I bought > > a used > > > > > Krell > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the missing > > part I > > > > > needed > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my old > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > speakers, > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or whether > > any > > > > > source > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power amp > > is on, > > > > > there > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've forgotten > > to do > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > this > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > (including > > > > > the > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no problem > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > would be > > > > > any > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my 660zx > > on the > > > > > other > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on the > > shelf > > > > > below > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > somehow? > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never hummed > > liked > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? I > > was told > > > > > these > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at least > > 24 > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power switch > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped off > > and > > > > > got a > > > > > > damaged preamp. Any help greatly appreciated. Stephen? > > Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From AGloop at aol.com Wed Sep 19 06:15:59 2001 From: AGloop at aol.com (AGloop at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:15:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 Message-ID: Dear Nak'ers: I was unfortunately surprised today to find that my trusty 582 has pooped out. I have absolutely no output at all during playback, no meter indication, and no headphone output. All record functions work. I have a copy of the 582 service manual and began signal tracing by using the schematic. During playback I can successfully trace the signal through the Dolby ICs, the Line Amp IC, and the volume PCB. According to the schematic, I am right up to the point where the signal meets the output jacks, however there is nothing on either channel. According to the schematic, there are two groups of transistor banks that tie in with the signal path just before the output jacks: the headphone amp and some additional line amp transistors. I believe the headphone amp is not to blame for obvious reasons. A random check of voltages came out okay. However, Im not really able to decipher the line amp voltages from the schematic. Curiously, I can get the playback signal right up to near those transistors. But could both channels get zapped at the same time? The deck worked the last time it was used! I'm stumped! Anyone have any suggestions or how I can get this baby working again? Please reply directly. Thanks. Mike AGloop at aol.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Sep 19 06:31:42 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:01:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 Message-ID: <000601c140c3$fbd18fe0$42d60192@vsnl> I think your 582 has a stop light ( behind 582' stop button)conked out causing muting of the play back signal which is a normal cause to mute playback on 582. You can replace that bulb with any 12V 10 -20 mA bulb (as the replacement of that small bulb is almost impossible!) will do. You can also use a resistor to drop this voltage as an alternative to cure this problem Kannan -----Original Message----- From: AGloop at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 >Dear Nak'ers: > >I was unfortunately surprised today to find that my trusty 582 has pooped >out. I have absolutely no output at all during playback, no meter indication, >and no headphone output. All record functions work. I have a copy of the 582 >service manual and began signal tracing by using the schematic. During >playback I can successfully trace the signal through the Dolby ICs, the Line >Amp IC, and the volume PCB. According to the schematic, I am right up to the >point where the signal meets the output jacks, however there is nothing on >either channel. According to the schematic, there are two groups of >transistor banks that tie in with the signal path just before the output >jacks: the headphone amp and some additional line amp transistors. I believe >the headphone amp is not to blame for obvious reasons. A random check of >voltages came out okay. However, Im not really able to decipher the line amp >voltages from the schematic. Curiously, I can get the playback signal right >up to near those transistors. But could both channels get zapped at the same >time? The deck worked the last time it was used! I'm stumped! Anyone have any >suggestions or how I can get this baby working again? Please reply directly. >Thanks. > >Mike >AGloop at aol.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 19 08:02:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:02:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 Message-ID: <20010919060251.KQTA1803.jktsm01@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> In addition to this common 582 stop light failure, once I had similar problem on BX300 and found out muting transistors - yes, the last one on signal path - were gone. But they go out slowly, giving distorted signal first. Kannan, what other Nak use this muting-trigger-indicator bulb ? Salim SM > I think your 582 has a stop light ( behind 582' stop button)conked out > causing muting of the play back signal which is a normal cause to mute > playback on 582. You can replace that bulb with any 12V 10 -20 mA bulb (as > the replacement of that small bulb is almost impossible!) will do. > You can also use a resistor to drop this voltage as an alternative to cure > this problem > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: AGloop at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Sep 19 10:50:12 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:20:12 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 Message-ID: <001301c140e8$192c2b80$42d60192@vsnl> There was similar problem reported more than year and half ago and Naktalk had lot of postings. I had faced similar problems in my 582 and solved later by replacing a new bulb. The circuit is really crazy and not anything I can think of - why did Nak arranged muting part that way ? I think 680/660/670 / 480 series use similar arrangements- I think Kannan -----Original Message----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 > >In addition to this common 582 stop light failure, once I had similar >problem on BX300 and found out muting transistors - yes, the last one on >signal path - were gone. But they go out slowly, giving distorted signal >first. Kannan, what other Nak use this muting-trigger-indicator bulb ? > >Salim SM > > >> I think your 582 has a stop light ( behind 582' stop button)conked out >> causing muting of the play back signal which is a normal cause to mute >> playback on 582. You can replace that bulb with any 12V 10 -20 mA bulb >(as >> the replacement of that small bulb is almost impossible!) will do. >> You can also use a resistor to drop this voltage as an alternative to >cure >> this problem >> Kannan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AGloop at aol.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Sep 19 14:17:00 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:17:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5791@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Oh, Stephen! Your first reply seems to have missed me! Damn it! 1. The 12V supply does NOT work at all. Neither loaded, nor unloaded - 0V. Whereas 17V does... 2. However, there are 20.5V DC present after the 12V diode bridge (measured on C405). 3. All microelements in the 12V supply seemed (OK, only s-e-e-m-e-d) to be OK. Checked several times. 4. For the sake of experiment, swapped Q403 and Q405. No change. 5. Replaced Q405 with an analog, then removed R408 completely, leaving only R407 "prop" from the 17V line. Got 20V on C406! 6. Put R408 back in its place. No change!!! 6. Took an 12V 21W bulb (had no other choice), with the help of which measured the current on the 17V supply output (on C404). Got 1.55A! Bulb shined bright. 7. Took the same bulb and, with R408 removed, measured the current on the 12V supply output (on C406). Got 0.8A! At first, bulb didn't shine at all, then slowly lit up and shined quite dimly. That's all for now. Many, many thanks for your help. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > > Nick, > Did my first reply miss you?: > Sounds like there is trouble on either the motor servo or logic boards, > which are the only places that the 12V line feeds. First thing is to > diconnect the 12v output line & see if the supply then works unloaded. If > it does, then look for signs of tinkering on the logic & servo boards, > e.g., > solder bridges, solder splashes, shorted leads of bent over transistors. > Also, look for pinched wires going from these boards to the solenoids, > keypad & etc. > If you don't find anything, let me know & I'll try to think of how you can > get further. > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:46 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > > > > Stephen, > > > > may I gingerly ask you, if there's a hope for me of getting some insight > to > > the Power Supply drama I described in details last week? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Sep 19 15:33:58 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:33:58 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5795@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen or anybody, A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has the following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching amplifier". What does it mean? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 15:48:00 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:48:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help with 582 Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Salim & all. I can imagine the goal that lead Nakamichi to have designed this "ocult" mute circuit. Just to allows the Nakmimichi service centres to track & report ingnorated flaws as well as the real-life heads-lifespan...As the life of those light bulbs is about 2000 hours. To report all this to Nak engeeniers that were developing the new generation decks they had spread over the world, since the 580 serie was the first ever 2nd generation transport serie !!! I think I am not really far from the real story !? Best regards, Matyas PS: and the 582 is a flawless deck ! "Kannan. S" wrote: >There was similar problem reported more than year and half ago and Naktalk >had lot of postings. I had faced similar problems in my 582 and solved >later >by replacing a new bulb. The circuit is really crazy and not anything I can >think of - why did Nak arranged muting part that way ? >I think 680/660/670 / 480 series use similar arrangements- I think >Kannan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 16:12:32 2001 From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:12:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual incompleet? Message-ID: Hi Norman! How are you? Long time we've not see you... You'd forgot the Auto azimuth circuit (NAAC) & the Mecha control section PCB (which also contain the capstan motor control) I already sent the PDF of these pages to Wouter, but actually we have not reply from him... Thank you again for the manuals you'd scanned for all Nakamaniacs !!! PS: I haven't the complete manual, only the complete diagrams, infact I cannot tell you whether it remain or not some adjustments or anything left behind. Best regards, Matyas >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Norman van Wijnen" Hello, > >a long time ago i scanned a lot of service manuals for support.naks.com and >i wonder if the Dragon manual is not compleet because i have the compleet >scan on my computer at home. >I asked myself if i forgot to upload the last part of the manual or is >there >other wise something happend with it? > >Norman > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Sep 19 16:21:18 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:21:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9723@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> This happened to me back in the 1990's with my 581. I was on travel in L.A. so I stopped in at Nakamichi to purchased a service manual. The tech's there told me the fix is to add a 1K resistor in Parallel with the bulb and then the circuit will work when the bulb burns out. You may want to check with Stephen Sank to verify if he was told this also. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannan_s at vsnl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 > > There was similar problem reported more than year and half ago and Naktalk > had lot of postings. I had faced similar problems in my 582 and solved > later > by replacing a new bulb. The circuit is really crazy and not anything I > can > think of - why did Nak arranged muting part that way ? > I think 680/660/670 / 480 series use similar arrangements- I think > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 > > > > > >In addition to this common 582 stop light failure, once I had similar > >problem on BX300 and found out muting transistors - yes, the last one on > >signal path - were gone. But they go out slowly, giving distorted signal > >first. Kannan, what other Nak use this muting-trigger-indicator bulb ? > > > >Salim SM > > > > > >> I think your 582 has a stop light ( behind 582' stop button)conked out > >> causing muting of the play back signal which is a normal cause to mute > >> playback on 582. You can replace that bulb with any 12V 10 -20 mA bulb > >(as > >> the replacement of that small bulb is almost impossible!) will do. > >> You can also use a resistor to drop this voltage as an alternative to > >cure > >> this problem > >> Kannan > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AGloop at aol.com > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 16:41:06 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:41:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5795@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <02d901c14119$1e127b00$453442cf@sank1> This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking capacitors in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output stage), and that the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching distortion. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > Stephen or anybody, > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has the > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching amplifier". What > does it mean? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Sep 19 17:08:17 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:08:17 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5797@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks, Stephen! Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > capacitors > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output stage), and > that > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching > distortion. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has the > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching amplifier". > What > > does it mean? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Wed Sep 19 17:05:13 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:05:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: I have been given the opportunity to purchase an original Nakamichi 1000 in working order for the equivalent of just over $50. For the price I'm not really interested in how well it works, I just thought it would be a great piece to have and to hold. Anything I should know about it or look out for. Thanks Ant ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Sep 19 17:29:37 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:29:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's References: Message-ID: <008201c1411f$e4d83210$22756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> For $50 don't ask just grab it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > > I have been given the opportunity to purchase an original Nakamichi 1000 in > working order for the equivalent of just over $50. For the price I'm not > really interested in how well it works, I just thought it would be a great > piece to have and to hold. Anything I should know about it or look out > for. > > Thanks > > Ant > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 17:34:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:34:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5797@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <031401c14120$a47b7dc0$453442cf@sank1> I've seen some pretty crappy amps with similar labelling, but some decent ones, too. Make & model? Switching distortion refers to the glitch in the waveform caused by the positive output devices' turning off as the negative devices turn on. Class AB bias, where the output devices are kept partially turned on, reduces this component. Full class A bias, where the outputs are fully turned on always, eliminates it. The reference in the amp label can mean anything from the former to the latter. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > Thanks, Stephen! > > Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? > > And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent > high-biased, to reduce switching > distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > > capacitors > > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output stage), and > > that > > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching > > distortion. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has the > > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching amplifier". > > What > > > does it mean? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 17:45:33 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:45:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5791@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <032b01c14122$1f32c900$453442cf@sank1> So, when you load the 12v supply with the lamp, does the voltage at the diode bridge stay above 14-15v? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > Oh, Stephen! Your first reply seems to have missed me! Damn it! > > 1. The 12V supply does NOT work at all. Neither loaded, nor unloaded - 0V. > Whereas 17V does... > 2. However, there are 20.5V DC present after the 12V diode bridge (measured > on C405). > 3. All microelements in the 12V supply seemed (OK, only s-e-e-m-e-d) to be > OK. Checked several times. > 4. For the sake of experiment, swapped Q403 and Q405. No change. > 5. Replaced Q405 with an analog, then removed R408 completely, leaving only > R407 "prop" from the 17V line. Got 20V on C406! > 6. Put R408 back in its place. No change!!! > 6. Took an 12V 21W bulb (had no other choice), with the help of which > measured the current on the 17V supply output (on C404). Got 1.55A! Bulb > shined bright. > 7. Took the same bulb and, with R408 removed, measured the current on the > 12V supply output (on C406). Got 0.8A! At first, bulb didn't shine at all, > then slowly lit up and shined quite dimly. > > That's all for now. > > Many, many thanks for your help. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:35 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > > > > Nick, > > Did my first reply miss you?: > > Sounds like there is trouble on either the motor servo or logic boards, > > which are the only places that the 12V line feeds. First thing is to > > diconnect the 12v output line & see if the supply then works unloaded. If > > it does, then look for signs of tinkering on the logic & servo boards, > > e.g., > > solder bridges, solder splashes, shorted leads of bent over transistors. > > Also, look for pinched wires going from these boards to the solenoids, > > keypad & etc. > > If you don't find anything, let me know & I'll try to think of how you can > > get further. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:46 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] 700TT, Power Supply > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > may I gingerly ask you, if there's a hope for me of getting some insight > > to > > > the Power Supply drama I described in details last week? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 19 17:50:45 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:50:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> <017701c14098$d5b80c60$453442cf@sank1> <001e01c13fe9$b83fbfc0$f1289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <033301c14122$d8f4cd20$453442cf@sank1> The auto-cal sequence is: azimuth, bias rough R, bias rough L, bias fine R, bias fine L, eq R, level R, eq L, level L. During each bias cycle, see if you detect a ramping of the bias level to each rec head, i.e., if the bias is seen to be trying to adjust. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > Thank goodness ! The calib. never got past azimuth step though, even after > a long time (682 has a 'limit' for its test), as you said looks like one > logic / chip fails to 'report' that azimuth motor already stopped. So I > need to manually interevene - and when I hit pause it rewinds to 0 and > flashes. Well at least yesterday it didn't do that. When I play it back > there's the recorded 400hz tone much over 0 db probably the "level" process > didn't even start - that's the sequence right ? or is bias next ? After a > bit familiar with what's inside .... $2000 was one huge premium for this > auto calibration ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > > > Hey, that's progress! The bank of ABLE lights are supposed to flash when > > calibration fails to go properly. ABLE CPU seems absolutely free from > > suspicion now, in case there remained any doubt. Can't imagine what that > > other tech was trying to achieve with that jumper. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, I stand corrected, the signal got through on encode-input > jacks, > > > but still the same meaningless noise. Looks like meter didn't show > > anything > > > even on "tape" - when I play it back, the garbage's there. Replaced > some > > > more 4560 on main board, now all external tones 100-1000hz achieved same > > > level as input, but still can't record any song ! Amazing. > > > > > > Previous 'techie' put the jumper from 'initial reset' to pin 13 & 15 of > > > IC802, which should've been grounded and he innovatively cut the ground > > > trace to those 2 pins. No change after ground is reconnected though. > But > > > now once ABLE failed the row of lights flashes. I'd better wait for the > > > manual. :-( > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting more weird record problem > > > > > > > > > > Did you switch the signal source to the external encode inputs when > > > > switching to ext.NR? The oscillator signal is fed in a whole stage > > before > > > > this input point, so it would be most perplexing if you can't get > signal > > > in > > > > that way. Note that when feeding into the encode input, you will not > > see > > > > anything on the meters in source monitor. Have you replaced the three > > > > opamps on the rec eq amp pcb? > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Sep 19 18:31:58 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:31:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sale Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276656535 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Sep 20 05:31:02 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:01:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Help with 582 Message-ID: <004701c14184$ac719d20$42d60192@vsnl> Really wierd theory - but possible. Wouter may be able to get more info if this is true? Stop light is on when the heads are not actually used - the light switches off after play mode engages. However Nak would get the deck back to service centers after some reasonable period to evaluate any other defects are noticed! - nice idea to evaluate your product failure probability analysis? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with 582 >Hi Kannan, Salim & all. >I can imagine the goal that lead Nakamichi to have designed this "ocult" >mute circuit. Just to allows the Nakmimichi service centres to track & >report ingnorated flaws as well as the real-life heads-lifespan...As the >life of those light bulbs is about 2000 hours. To report all this to Nak >engeeniers that were developing the new generation decks they had spread >over the world, since the 580 serie was the first ever 2nd generation >transport serie !!! >I think I am not really far from the real story !? > >Best regards, Matyas > >PS: and the 582 is a flawless deck ! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Sep 20 07:09:47 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:09:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell Message-ID: <20010920.011146.-414031.3.josephj69@juno.com> Well, from everything you said, Stephen, it seems the "new" DC cable is definitely the place to begin. Luckily, the guys at Krell agree. I phoned them earlier today and explained everything thus far. In the end, I phrased my question as follows: "Do you think it would be a complete waste of time for me to send this cable back to you so you can give it a second look?" His reply: "No, not at all. That's probably a good idea." I really hope this cable is the culprit. Since I just bought it from them (and they charged me $210 for it), there is no way they can chrage me to repair their own error. Overall, they have been very cooperative and helpful, so I can't slight them at all. I'm just relieved I was able to convince them that is is possible they made a mistake repairing one of their own components. Oddly, I had the same problem when I send a unit back to Adcom. It seems every time I send something to a manufacturer for repair, it has to go there at least twice until before the job gets done right! Thanks again Stephen - I couldn't have gotten this far without you. - Joe On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, > then it > would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units > stacked if > one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why > that > is, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall > plug - > > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as > well - > > no difference. > > > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall > jack - > > no difference. > > > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is > still > > happening. > > > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad > as it > > was last night - could this mean something??? > > > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a > simple bad > > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that > the hum > > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If > there's > > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the > interconnect > > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at > Krell. > > > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing > back to > > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > > encouraging. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > The > > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source > of > > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before > shipping, > > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said > that if > > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not > work > > > at all. > > > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be > bad > > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If > armed > > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps > it is > > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works > flawlessly > > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the > Krell > > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me > (I > > > assume free of charge). > > > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > ship > > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm > also > > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > > require a day out of work. > > > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > lead, > > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I > have > > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That > will be > > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > all > > > that > > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > not. > > > I think > > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > > connectors. I'd > > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > > really do > > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on > the > > > wire > > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > Type > > > PCC FT4 > > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > something > > > wrong > > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the > ground > > > circuit is > > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > > evidenced by > > > the > > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > pretty > > > damn > > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent > this. A > > > bad > > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > the > > > money > > > and > > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > lemon, > > > I'm > > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > bad > > > power > > > > > supply > > > > > > cable. > > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service > dept. > > > several > > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > > assinged to > > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the > problem. > > > I will, > > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned > off? > > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it > and > > > the Adcom > > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, > even if > > > the > > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > when > > > I have > > > an > > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing > in > > > the CD > > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can > hear > > > the CD > > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was > not > > > supposed > > > to > > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > me? > > > Perhaps > > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > > past > > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > wouldn't > > > be > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > of > > > the > > > three > > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is > maybe > > > some > > > > > cracked > > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > > lightly & > > > all > > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > will > > > make it > > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > are > > > all made > > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > > hands! > > > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > preamp > > > unit > > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > the > > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > new > > > DC > > > cord), > > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > reduce > > > it. I > > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states > that > > > these > > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked > it). > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > cable > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What > do > > > you > > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > bought > > > a used > > > > > > Krell > > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the > missing > > > part I > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my > old > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > > speakers, > > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or > whether > > > any > > > > > > source > > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power > amp > > > is on, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've > forgotten > > > to do > > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > > this > > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > > (including > > > > > > the > > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no > problem > > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > > would be > > > > > > any > > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > 660zx > > > on the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > the > > > shelf > > > > > > below > > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > > somehow? > > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never > hummed > > > liked > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? > I > > > was told > > > > > > these > > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at > least > > > 24 > > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > switch > > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > off > > > and > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > damaged preamp. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 20 07:56:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:56:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell References: <20010920.011146.-414031.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <03d801c14198$f73eb180$453442cf@sank1> Very diplomatic. You expertly walked the fine line between polite inquiry & calling them a bunch of incompetent morons. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > Well, from everything you said, Stephen, it seems the "new" DC cable is > definitely the place to begin. > > Luckily, the guys at Krell agree. I phoned them earlier today and > explained everything thus far. In the end, I phrased my question as > follows: "Do you think it would be a complete waste of time for me to > send this cable back to you so you can give it a second look?" His > reply: "No, not at all. That's probably a good idea." I really hope > this cable is the culprit. Since I just bought it from them (and they > charged me $210 for it), there is no way they can chrage me to repair > their own error. > > Overall, they have been very cooperative and helpful, so I can't slight > them at all. I'm just relieved I was able to convince them that is is > possible they made a mistake repairing one of their own components. > Oddly, I had the same problem when I send a unit back to Adcom. It seems > every time I send something to a manufacturer for repair, it has to go > there at least twice until before the job gets done right! > > Thanks again Stephen - I couldn't have gotten this far without you. > > - Joe > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, > > then it > > would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units > > stacked if > > one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why > > that > > is, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > > > > > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall > > plug - > > > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as > > well - > > > no difference. > > > > > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall > > jack - > > > no difference. > > > > > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is > > still > > > happening. > > > > > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad > > as it > > > was last night - could this mean something??? > > > > > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a > > simple bad > > > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that > > the hum > > > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If > > there's > > > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the > > interconnect > > > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at > > Krell. > > > > > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing > > back to > > > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > > > encouraging. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > > The > > > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source > > of > > > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before > > shipping, > > > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said > > that if > > > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not > > work > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be > > bad > > > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If > > armed > > > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps > > it is > > > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works > > flawlessly > > > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the > > Krell > > > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me > > (I > > > > assume free of charge). > > > > > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > > ship > > > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm > > also > > > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > > > require a day out of work. > > > > > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > > lead, > > > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I > > have > > > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That > > will be > > > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > > all > > > > that > > > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > > not. > > > > I think > > > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > > > connectors. I'd > > > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > > > really do > > > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on > > the > > > > wire > > > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > > Type > > > > PCC FT4 > > > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > > something > > > > wrong > > > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > help > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the > > ground > > > > circuit is > > > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > > > evidenced by > > > > the > > > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > > pretty > > > > damn > > > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent > > this. A > > > > bad > > > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > > the > > > > money > > > > and > > > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > > lemon, > > > > I'm > > > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > > bad > > > > power > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > cable. > > > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service > > dept. > > > > several > > > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > > > assinged to > > > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the > > problem. > > > > I will, > > > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned > > off? > > > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it > > and > > > > the Adcom > > > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, > > even if > > > > the > > > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > > when > > > > I have > > > > an > > > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing > > in > > > > the CD > > > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can > > hear > > > > the CD > > > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was > > not > > > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > > me? > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > > > past > > > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > > wouldn't > > > > be > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > > of > > > > the > > > > three > > > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is > > maybe > > > > some > > > > > > cracked > > > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > > > lightly & > > > > all > > > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > > will > > > > make it > > > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > > are > > > > all made > > > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > > > hands! > > > > > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > > preamp > > > > unit > > > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > > the > > > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > > new > > > > DC > > > > cord), > > > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > > reduce > > > > it. I > > > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states > > that > > > > these > > > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked > > it). > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > > cable > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What > > do > > > > you > > > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > > bought > > > > a used > > > > > > > Krell > > > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the > > missing > > > > part I > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my > > old > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > > > speakers, > > > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or > > whether > > > > any > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power > > amp > > > > is on, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've > > forgotten > > > > to do > > > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > > > this > > > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > > > (including > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no > > problem > > > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > > > would be > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > > 660zx > > > > on the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > > the > > > > shelf > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > > > somehow? > > > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never > > hummed > > > > liked > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? > > I > > > > was told > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at > > least > > > > 24 > > > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > > switch > > > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > > off > > > > and > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > damaged preamp. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 08:14:06 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:14:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell References: <20010920.011146.-414031.3.josephj69@juno.com> <03d801c14198$f73eb180$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BA9892E.35A9135@earthlink.net> I agree. For $210 I would have been pissed!! That is highway robbery for a simple multi-conductor cable. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Very diplomatic. You expertly walked the fine line between polite inquiry & > calling them a bunch of incompetent morons. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > Well, from everything you said, Stephen, it seems the "new" DC cable is > > definitely the place to begin. > > > > Luckily, the guys at Krell agree. I phoned them earlier today and > > explained everything thus far. In the end, I phrased my question as > > follows: "Do you think it would be a complete waste of time for me to > > send this cable back to you so you can give it a second look?" His > > reply: "No, not at all. That's probably a good idea." I really hope > > this cable is the culprit. Since I just bought it from them (and they > > charged me $210 for it), there is no way they can chrage me to repair > > their own error. > > > > Overall, they have been very cooperative and helpful, so I can't slight > > them at all. I'm just relieved I was able to convince them that is is > > possible they made a mistake repairing one of their own components. > > Oddly, I had the same problem when I send a unit back to Adcom. It seems > > every time I send something to a manufacturer for repair, it has to go > > there at least twice until before the job gets done right! > > > > Thanks again Stephen - I couldn't have gotten this far without you. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, > > > then it > > > would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units > > > stacked if > > > one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why > > > that > > > is, though. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > > > > > > > > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall > > > plug - > > > > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as > > > well - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall > > > jack - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is > > > still > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad > > > as it > > > > was last night - could this mean something??? > > > > > > > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a > > > simple bad > > > > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that > > > the hum > > > > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If > > > there's > > > > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the > > > interconnect > > > > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing > > > back to > > > > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > > > > encouraging. > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > > > The > > > > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > > > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source > > > of > > > > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before > > > shipping, > > > > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said > > > that if > > > > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not > > > work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > > > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be > > > bad > > > > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If > > > armed > > > > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps > > > it is > > > > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > > > > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works > > > flawlessly > > > > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the > > > Krell > > > > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > > > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me > > > (I > > > > > assume free of charge). > > > > > > > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > > > ship > > > > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm > > > also > > > > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > > > > require a day out of work. > > > > > > > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > > > lead, > > > > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I > > > have > > > > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That > > > will be > > > > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > > > not. > > > > > I think > > > > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > > > > connectors. I'd > > > > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > > > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > > > > really do > > > > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on > > > the > > > > > wire > > > > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > > > Type > > > > > PCC FT4 > > > > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > > > something > > > > > wrong > > > > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the > > > ground > > > > > circuit is > > > > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > > > > evidenced by > > > > > the > > > > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > > > pretty > > > > > damn > > > > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent > > > this. A > > > > > bad > > > > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > > > the > > > > > money > > > > > and > > > > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > > > lemon, > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > > > bad > > > > > power > > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > > cable. > > > > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service > > > dept. > > > > > several > > > > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > > > > assinged to > > > > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the > > > problem. > > > > > I will, > > > > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned > > > off? > > > > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it > > > and > > > > > the Adcom > > > > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, > > > even if > > > > > the > > > > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > > > when > > > > > I have > > > > > an > > > > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing > > > in > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can > > > hear > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was > > > not > > > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > > > me? > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > > > > past > > > > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > > > wouldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > three > > > > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is > > > maybe > > > > > some > > > > > > > cracked > > > > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > > > > lightly & > > > > > all > > > > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > > > will > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > > > are > > > > > all made > > > > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > > > > hands! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > > > preamp > > > > > unit > > > > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > > > the > > > > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > > > new > > > > > DC > > > > > cord), > > > > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > > > reduce > > > > > it. I > > > > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states > > > that > > > > > these > > > > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked > > > it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > > > cable > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > > > bought > > > > > a used > > > > > > > > Krell > > > > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the > > > missing > > > > > part I > > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my > > > old > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > > > > speakers, > > > > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or > > > whether > > > > > any > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power > > > amp > > > > > is on, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've > > > forgotten > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > > > > this > > > > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > > > > (including > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no > > > problem > > > > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > > > 660zx > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > > > the > > > > > shelf > > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > > > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > > > > somehow? > > > > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never > > > hummed > > > > > liked > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? > > > I > > > > > was told > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at > > > least > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > > > switch > > > > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > > > off > > > > > and > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > damaged preamp. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Sep 20 08:19:51 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:19:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell Message-ID: <28A53FF25551D511BED4000629556F712B696B@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Welcome to the world of high end......bring your wallet. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [mailto:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell I agree. For $210 I would have been pissed!! That is highway robbery for a simple multi-conductor cable. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Very diplomatic. You expertly walked the fine line between polite inquiry & > calling them a bunch of incompetent morons. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > Well, from everything you said, Stephen, it seems the "new" DC cable is > > definitely the place to begin. > > > > Luckily, the guys at Krell agree. I phoned them earlier today and > > explained everything thus far. In the end, I phrased my question as > > follows: "Do you think it would be a complete waste of time for me to > > send this cable back to you so you can give it a second look?" His > > reply: "No, not at all. That's probably a good idea." I really hope > > this cable is the culprit. Since I just bought it from them (and they > > charged me $210 for it), there is no way they can chrage me to repair > > their own error. > > > > Overall, they have been very cooperative and helpful, so I can't slight > > them at all. I'm just relieved I was able to convince them that is is > > possible they made a mistake repairing one of their own components. > > Oddly, I had the same problem when I send a unit back to Adcom. It seems > > every time I send something to a manufacturer for repair, it has to go > > there at least twice until before the job gets done right! > > > > Thanks again Stephen - I couldn't have gotten this far without you. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, > > > then it > > > would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units > > > stacked if > > > one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why > > > that > > > is, though. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > > > > > > > > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall > > > plug - > > > > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as > > > well - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall > > > jack - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is > > > still > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad > > > as it > > > > was last night - could this mean something??? > > > > > > > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a > > > simple bad > > > > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that > > > the hum > > > > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If > > > there's > > > > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the > > > interconnect > > > > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing > > > back to > > > > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > > > > encouraging. > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > > > The > > > > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > > > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source > > > of > > > > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before > > > shipping, > > > > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said > > > that if > > > > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not > > > work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > > > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be > > > bad > > > > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If > > > armed > > > > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps > > > it is > > > > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > > > > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works > > > flawlessly > > > > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the > > > Krell > > > > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > > > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me > > > (I > > > > > assume free of charge). > > > > > > > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > > > ship > > > > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm > > > also > > > > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > > > > require a day out of work. > > > > > > > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > > > lead, > > > > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I > > > have > > > > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That > > > will be > > > > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > > > not. > > > > > I think > > > > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > > > > connectors. I'd > > > > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > > > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > > > > really do > > > > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on > > > the > > > > > wire > > > > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > > > Type > > > > > PCC FT4 > > > > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > > > something > > > > > wrong > > > > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the > > > ground > > > > > circuit is > > > > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > > > > evidenced by > > > > > the > > > > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > > > pretty > > > > > damn > > > > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent > > > this. A > > > > > bad > > > > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > > > the > > > > > money > > > > > and > > > > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > > > lemon, > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > > > bad > > > > > power > > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > > cable. > > > > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service > > > dept. > > > > > several > > > > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > > > > assinged to > > > > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the > > > problem. > > > > > I will, > > > > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned > > > off? > > > > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it > > > and > > > > > the Adcom > > > > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, > > > even if > > > > > the > > > > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > > > when > > > > > I have > > > > > an > > > > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing > > > in > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can > > > hear > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was > > > not > > > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > > > me? > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > > > > past > > > > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > > > wouldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > three > > > > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is > > > maybe > > > > > some > > > > > > > cracked > > > > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > > > > lightly & > > > > > all > > > > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > > > will > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > > > are > > > > > all made > > > > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > > > > hands! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > > > preamp > > > > > unit > > > > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > > > the > > > > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > > > new > > > > > DC > > > > > cord), > > > > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > > > reduce > > > > > it. I > > > > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states > > > that > > > > > these > > > > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked > > > it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > > > cable > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > > > bought > > > > > a used > > > > > > > > Krell > > > > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the > > > missing > > > > > part I > > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my > > > old > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > > > > speakers, > > > > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or > > > whether > > > > > any > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power > > > amp > > > > > is on, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've > > > forgotten > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > > > > this > > > > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > > > > (including > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no > > > problem > > > > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > > > 660zx > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > > > the > > > > > shelf > > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > > > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > > > > somehow? > > > > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never > > > hummed > > > > > liked > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? > > > I > > > > > was told > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at > > > least > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > > > switch > > > > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > > > off > > > > > and > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > damaged preamp. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Sep 20 08:59:59 2001 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:59:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's References: <008201c1411f$e4d83210$22756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3BA993EF.3C522A58@xs4all.nl> Hmm, I just bought one here in Holland for $150 and in working order it seems (I still have to test it thorough)! BTW, anyone know what the green 'Knightrider' display does? Also a PDF scan of the manual is very welcome! Wouter "John M. Tooley" wrote: > For $50 don't ask just grab it! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > > > > > I have been given the opportunity to purchase an original Nakamichi 1000 > in > > working order for the equivalent of just over $50. For the price I'm not > > really interested in how well it works, I just thought it would be a great > > piece to have and to hold. Anything I should know about it or look out > > for. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ant > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Thu Sep 20 09:22:43 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:22:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: Picked mine up last night. Excellent condition with a few dents and scratches on the corners of the wooden cabinet. Looks like it's never been opened. Everything works however it seems as if the record head or pinch roller next to it is creasing the tape which does have an effect on playback. Fidgeting with the record head adjuster worsens this problem but does not cure it. I have adjusted the record head using the test tone as well. The severity of the problem also changes with different tapes. Could be the cassette cradle/door. I'll have a closer look on the week-end when I give it a bit of a clean. The 'Knightrider' display, to me, seems to indicate only, playback operation (slow) and tape advance (fast). Who knows? Any literature (operation and/or service) for this machine (1000 Tri Tracer), as Wouter has asked, would be welcomed. Ant Wouter Heijke cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's owner-naktalk @naks.com 20/09/01 08:59 AM Please respond to naktalk Hmm, I just bought one here in Holland for $150 and in working order it seems (I still have to test it thorough)! BTW, anyone know what the green 'Knightrider' display does? Also a PDF scan of the manual is very welcome! Wouter "John M. Tooley" wrote: > For $50 don't ask just grab it! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:05 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > > > > > I have been given the opportunity to purchase an original Nakamichi 1000 > in > > working order for the equivalent of just over $50. For the price I'm not > > really interested in how well it works, I just thought it would be a great > > piece to have and to hold. Anything I should know about it or look out > > for. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ant > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Disclaimer: This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. ABN AMRO Bank N.V. 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Message-ID: Hi Stan, I don't recognise that currency off the top...where did you go to get those delightfully magnetic treasures?? Cheers, Marc >>> targowski at mediaone.net 09/20/01 07:57AM >>> Just came back from a trip with a set of brand new TDK MA-XG, BASF TP-II Reference Maxima, BASF TP-IV Metal Maxima, and TDK MA (with the screws ...)tapes. Will do some recordings on my CR-4 ... BASF Tapes were 12-12.50 PLN, and MA-XG was 42.50 PLN ($US1=4.25PLN). Will keep ypu posted ... Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 20 15:12:37 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:12:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanks, Stephen, for the exhaustive answer. The amp is German UHER VG-836 (made around 85-86). Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:35 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > I've seen some pretty crappy amps with similar labelling, but some decent > ones, too. Make & model? > Switching distortion refers to the glitch in the waveform caused by the > positive output devices' turning off as the negative devices turn on. > Class > AB bias, where the output devices are kept partially turned on, reduces > this > component. Full class A bias, where the outputs are fully turned on > always, > eliminates it. The reference in the amp label can mean anything from the > former to the latter. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > Thanks, Stephen! > > > > Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? > > > > And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent > > high-biased, to reduce switching > > distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > > > capacitors > > > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output stage), > and > > > that > > > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching > > > distortion. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has > the > > > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching > amplifier". > > > What > > > > does it mean? > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Sep 20 15:54:07 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:54:07 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell Message-ID: <20010920.095415.15499.6690@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Jim, I felt exactly the same way. I tried every other option, short of hardwiring the two units together. The probem is the non-standard 5 pin Lemo connectors Krell used. They sell for about $35 each, IF YOU CAN FIND THEM. Lemo has a six month waiting list for these and all similar connectors. In addition, they always refer you to distributors, who charge more than the $35 when selling in small quantities. The other problem is labor, which would run about $100 to solder the multi strand cable to the very tiny pins inside the connectors. Your up to nearly $210 right there. I didn't want to hard wire because I know that will devalue the preamp when I eventually upgrade to something else (fingers still crossed for a Klyne). At $100 in labor to hard wire, I figured it was worth another $110 to keep it "original." - Joe ---------- Jim Volpatti writes: From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:14:06 -0700 I agree. For $210 I would have been pissed!! That is highway robbery for a simple multi-conductor cable. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > Very diplomatic. You expertly walked the fine line between polite inquiry & > calling them a bunch of incompetent morons. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > Well, from everything you said, Stephen, it seems the "new" DC cable is > > definitely the place to begin. > > > > Luckily, the guys at Krell agree. I phoned them earlier today and > > explained everything thus far. In the end, I phrased my question as > > follows: "Do you think it would be a complete waste of time for me to > > send this cable back to you so you can give it a second look?" His > > reply: "No, not at all. That's probably a good idea." I really hope > > this cable is the culprit. Since I just bought it from them (and they > > charged me $210 for it), there is no way they can chrage me to repair > > their own error. > > > > Overall, they have been very cooperative and helpful, so I can't slight > > them at all. I'm just relieved I was able to convince them that is is > > possible they made a mistake repairing one of their own components. > > Oddly, I had the same problem when I send a unit back to Adcom. It seems > > every time I send something to a manufacturer for repair, it has to go > > there at least twice until before the job gets done right! > > > > Thanks again Stephen - I couldn't have gotten this far without you. > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:05:24 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > > If the cable has more than one ground wire, which I expect it does, > > > then it > > > would not surprise me to have the hum exaggerated with the units > > > stacked if > > > one of these grounds was no good. Not quite sure how to explain why > > > that > > > is, though. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:20 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: MORE on the humming Krell > > > > > > > > > > I just tried using one of those two prong adapters on the AC wall > > > plug - > > > > no difference. I tried flipping the plug the other way round, as > > > well - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > I also tried plugging it into a good power strip before the wall > > > jack - > > > > no difference. > > > > > > > > In all situations, the hum is still there, and the bleedthrough is > > > still > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > The only thing I did notice is that overall, the hum is not as bad > > > as it > > > > was last night - could this mean something??? > > > > > > > > My last question: If the problem does indeed turn out to be a > > > simple bad > > > > solder in the interconnect, how would that explain the fact that > > > the hum > > > > decrases if I separate the main unit from the power supply? If > > > there's > > > > an explanation for that, then I'm pretty convinced that the > > > interconnect > > > > is the problem, and I'll know what to tell the tech dept. at > > > Krell. > > > > > > > > On the upside, I learned that postage to ship this whole thing > > > back to > > > > Krell is about 1/2 what I thought it was. So at least that is > > > > encouraging. > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:38 GMT josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > > > > Okay, I called Krell this morning regarding the humming KRS-2. > > > The > > > > > tech manager said that because the DC cable is a simple "pass > > > > > through" cable, it is very unlikely that it could be the source > > > of > > > > > the hum. He explained that he did test the cable before > > > shipping, > > > > > and that current did flow through it properly. He also said > > > that if > > > > > any of the 5 internal leads were misrouted, the unit would not > > > work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > Would the bad soldering theory still hold true in light of this > > > > > information??? I guess my quetion is, could the soldering be > > > bad > > > > > and induce this hum, yet still allow the unit to operate? If > > > armed > > > > > with this information, I could get Krell to admit that perhaps > > > it is > > > > > the cable after all, and at least give it a second look. > > > > > > > > > > He did say that because the associated equipment works > > > flawlessly > > > > > with my prior preamp, the trouble most likely lies within the > > > Krell > > > > > unit itself. I'm about a 2 hour drive from their Orange, CT > > > > > factory. He said that if I come by, he would look at it for me > > > (I > > > > > assume free of charge). > > > > > > > > > > If my calculations are correct, it would cost me roughly $40 to > > > ship > > > > > this each way, and I'd rather avoid the $80 expense. But I'm > > > also > > > > > not too keen on the 200 mile round trip journey that would also > > > > > require a day out of work. > > > > > > > > > > Is it worth mentioning the possibility of bad soldering in the > > > lead, > > > > > or anything else before I resort to these drastic measures? I > > > have > > > > > yet to try using a two prong adapter at the AC outlet. That > > > will be > > > > > the first thing I do tonight. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, thanks again for your time and effort. > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > It's a cable with 8 conductors of 22guage wire, and that's about > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > can be told from the wire markings. No clue as to shielded or > > > not. > > > > > I think > > > > > that is about as fat a cable as can be fit into those Lemo > > > > > connectors. I'd > > > > > put odds on bad soldering on the thing, rather than miswiring. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:57 AM > > > > > Subject: Re:Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, Stephen. I'm going to call them in an hour. I > > > > > really do > > > > > hope that's the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it matters any, I noticed there are a lot of markings on > > > the > > > > > wire > > > > > itself. Are you at all familiar with this brand/model?: > > > > > > > > > > > > Alpha Wire P/N 500BC 8C/22AWO (UL) 75C Type CM or AWM2464 CSA > > > Type > > > > > PCC FT4 > > > > > XTRA GUARD 1 LOT *807108 > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of these numbers have to mean something. Is there > > > something > > > > > wrong > > > > > with the wire itself? Maybe not shielded? Or low grade wire? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- "Stephen Sank" writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:04:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > The cable does seem quite suspect. Seems to me that the > > > ground > > > > > circuit is > > > > > > not complete between preamp & power unit. A theory further > > > > > evidenced by > > > > > the > > > > > > input select bleedthrough. The input selector switch, I am > > > pretty > > > > > damn > > > > > > sure, shorts all un-selected inputs to ground, to prevent > > > this. A > > > > > bad > > > > > > ground circuit would negate the shorting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > > Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. I'm a bit distressed after all > > > the > > > > > money > > > > > and > > > > > > > time I've invested in this unit. If it turns out to be a > > > lemon, > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > really in serious (financial) trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thought springs to mind that perhaps Krell sold you a > > > bad > > > > > power > > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > > cable. > > > > > > > I honestly hope it's that simple. I called the service > > > dept. > > > > > several > > > > > > > times over the past few weeks. I learned that it had been > > > > > assinged to > > > > > > > what I think is a "new guy." So that may well be the > > > problem. > > > > > I will, > > > > > > > of course, be calling him in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought: Does it hum with the computer turned > > > off? > > > > > > > Absolutely. It hums with EVERYTHING turned off, except it > > > and > > > > > the Adcom > > > > > > > GFA-535. It hums regardless of what source is selected, > > > even if > > > > > the > > > > > > > source selector is set to the off position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also noticed that I can hear one source bleeding through > > > when > > > > > I have > > > > > an > > > > > > > adjacent source selected. For example, if a CD is playing > > > in > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > player and I have the source selector set to "Aux," I can > > > hear > > > > > the CD > > > > > > > playing faintly through the speakers. I thought this was > > > not > > > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > > happen in a high end preamp??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third thought: Try ungrounding the KRS-2 AC power > > > > > > > > cord, with a 3-prong to 2-prong ground lift adapter. > > > > > > > I'll give this a shot in the morning. What would this show > > > me? > > > > > Perhaps > > > > > > > that my AC outlet is not properly grounded? Considering my > > > > > past > > > > > > > experiences with the electrical system in this house, I > > > wouldn't > > > > > be > > > > > > > surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth thought: Beat the heck out of the KRS-2 units(each > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > three > > > > > > > boxes), literally, > > > > > > > > with your fist on the tops of them, to see if their is > > > maybe > > > > > some > > > > > > > cracked > > > > > > > > soldering somewhere. If the hum goes in & out, beat more > > > > > lightly & > > > > > all > > > > > > > > around until you localise the most sensitive place, which > > > will > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > easier to spot any bad solder joints. > > > > > > > Rapping on the top of each unit does zero. Remember, these > > > are > > > > > all made > > > > > > > of very thick aluminum - pounding any harder will hurt my > > > > > hands! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ONLY thing that makes a difference is moving the main > > > preamp > > > > > unit > > > > > > > away from the power supply cabinet (which does NOT contain > > > the > > > > > > > transformers). I can move it about 30" away (length of the > > > new > > > > > DC > > > > > cord), > > > > > > > but this does not complete eliminat the hum, just greatly > > > reduce > > > > > it. I > > > > > > > find this especially odd, since Krell's own manual states > > > that > > > > > these > > > > > > > units were DESIGNED to be stacked (I just double-checked > > > it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking this lends more credence to the defective DC > > > cable > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like another call to Krell service is in order. What > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - need some quick Krell preamp > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is OT, but some of you may recall that I > > > bought > > > > > a used > > > > > > > > Krell > > > > > > > > > KRS-2 preamp a few months back. I finally got the > > > missing > > > > > part I > > > > > > > > needed > > > > > > > > > from Krell today, and I just dropped it in place of my > > > old > > > > > Adcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that this thing hums like a bastard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a medium high-pitched hum coming through the > > > > > speakers, > > > > > > > > > regardless of where the source selector is set, or > > > whether > > > > > any > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > components are even switched on. As long as the power > > > amp > > > > > is on, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is hum coming the through the speakers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of two things is happening here: Either I've > > > forgotten > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > > something very very simple, or I got totally screwed on > > > > > this > > > > > > > > preamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My first thought is that the source components nearby > > > > > (including > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > computer) are inducing the hum. My Adcom had no > > > problem > > > > > > > > whatsoever in > > > > > > > > > this exact same position, so I'm not sure why the Krell > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > different. There is a DAT machine on one side and my > > > 660zx > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > - each about 1" away. My full tower computer case is on > > > the > > > > > shelf > > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > > the unit, roughly 10" from the Krell power supply > > > cabinet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thought is that maybe this has to be grounded > > > > > somehow? > > > > > > > > Again, I > > > > > > > > > never grounded the Adcom to anything and it never > > > hummed > > > > > liked > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last possibility is that it needs to warm up/break in? > > > I > > > > > was told > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > things sound horrible unless they've been on for at > > > least > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > hours, and > > > > > > > > > that you should never shut them off (it has no power > > > switch > > > > > > > > anyway). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the last possibility is that I've been ripped > > > off > > > > > and > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > damaged preamp. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 20 16:50:42 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:50:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <047001c141e3$a011fe80$453442cf@sank1> Well, I can't say anything pertinent on that, as I have never seen anything but open reel & cassette decks from Uher. All I can say is that I have a good opinion of their tape decks, and would not expect them to make anything bad in amplifiers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > Thanks, Stephen, for the exhaustive answer. > > The amp is German UHER VG-836 (made around 85-86). > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:35 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > I've seen some pretty crappy amps with similar labelling, but some decent > > ones, too. Make & model? > > Switching distortion refers to the glitch in the waveform caused by the > > positive output devices' turning off as the negative devices turn on. > > Class > > AB bias, where the output devices are kept partially turned on, reduces > > this > > component. Full class A bias, where the outputs are fully turned on > > always, > > eliminates it. The reference in the amp label can mean anything from the > > former to the latter. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > Thanks, Stephen! > > > > > > Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? > > > > > > And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent > > > high-biased, to reduce switching > > > distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > > > > capacitors > > > > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output stage), > > and > > > > that > > > > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce switching > > > > distortion. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > > > > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that has > > the > > > > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching > > amplifier". > > > > What > > > > > does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 20 16:56:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:56:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's References: Message-ID: <047801c141e4$6491a4e0$453442cf@sank1> It could be as simple as too much slip on the capstan belt, but more likely that you have dried up grease on the pinch roller axles. These roller arm assemblies are not made to be disassembled, so it takes a good bit of effort to do just that & remove/replace the hardened grease. Not a terribly hard job, but a good couple of hours work. I have the 1000 service manual(or at least the 1000-II). Not sure when I'll have time to start scanning it, though. I would be happy to lend it to a Naktalker in America that would have time to do the scanning. Anybody? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > > Picked mine up last night. Excellent condition with a few dents and > scratches on the corners of the wooden cabinet. Looks like it's never been > opened. Everything works however it seems as if the record head or pinch > roller next to it is creasing the tape which does have an effect on > playback. Fidgeting with the record head adjuster worsens this problem but > does not cure it. I have adjusted the record head using the test tone as > well. The severity of the problem also changes with different tapes. > Could be the cassette cradle/door. I'll have a closer look on the week-end > when I give it a bit of a clean. > > The 'Knightrider' display, to me, seems to indicate only, playback > operation (slow) and tape advance (fast). Who knows? > > Any literature (operation and/or service) for this machine (1000 Tri > Tracer), as Wouter has asked, would be welcomed. > > Ant > > > > Wouter Heijke > ll.nl> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 20/09/01 > 08:59 AM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > > > Hmm, I just bought one here in Holland for $150 and in working order it > seems (I still > have to test it thorough)! > BTW, anyone know what the green 'Knightrider' display does? > Also a PDF scan of the manual is very welcome! > > Wouter > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > For $50 don't ask just grab it! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:05 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's > > > > > > > > I have been given the opportunity to purchase an original Nakamichi > 1000 > > in > > > working order for the equivalent of just over $50. For the price I'm > not > > > really interested in how well it works, I just thought it would be a > great > > > piece to have and to hold. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 20 19:00:12 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:00:12 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I just cant't stop wondering, Stephen. You seem to know everything.... Nice to know at least that there's nothing bad to expect from Uher! Many thanks from me and my friend! Now it's my turn to become curious: can you name some of their decks you came across? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > Well, I can't say anything pertinent on that, as I have never seen > anything > but open reel & cassette decks from Uher. All I can say is that I have a > good opinion of their tape decks, and would not expect them to make > anything > bad in amplifiers. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > Thanks, Stephen, for the exhaustive answer. > > > > The amp is German UHER VG-836 (made around 85-86). > > > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:35 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > I've seen some pretty crappy amps with similar labelling, but some > decent > > > ones, too. Make & model? > > > Switching distortion refers to the glitch in the waveform caused by > the > > > positive output devices' turning off as the negative devices turn on. > > > Class > > > AB bias, where the output devices are kept partially turned on, > reduces > > > this > > > component. Full class A bias, where the outputs are fully turned on > > > always, > > > eliminates it. The reference in the amp label can mean anything from > the > > > former to the latter. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Stephen! > > > > > > > > Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? > > > > > > > > And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent > > > > high-biased, to reduce switching > > > > distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > > > > > capacitors > > > > > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output > stage), > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce > switching > > > > > distortion. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that > has > > > the > > > > > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching > > > amplifier". > > > > > What > > > > > > does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > == > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > == > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > == > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 20 19:19:39 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:19:39 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, what can you say about the above receiver/amplifier? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 19 20:09:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:09:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> <017701c14098$d5b80c60$453442cf@sank1> <001e01c13fe9$b83fbfc0$f1289bca@smarzuki> <033301c14122$d8f4cd20$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c14136$58c17f40$06289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Very smart of me, not checking the bias freq on rec head connector ! I did check erase connector, getting that 52.5khz reading - but over on rec head is a big 0 ... No wonder the deck can't put no music on tape - but why test tone are almost okay ? Fixed vs variable frequency ? Rec signal (external tone / music) is good up to both BM1/2 and rec head connectors. 105k bias freq reads OK up to last gate on IC809 (4081 pin 9/12). I'm not sure what BL16 from logic board does to bias circuitry (rec mute ?) but there's no voltage change on that line between rec mode and normal (stop/play) mode - and this BL16 is the other input to IC809 gate (pin 8/13). Bias set chip IC101 'receives' 105k from IC808 however no bias freq passed to bias amp IC301 (4556) ... and my logic really can't follow the logic of 'and's + 'nand's. :-( Do you think this record problem caused by non functioning BL16 ? The trace on logic board goes everywhere ! Is it possible to 'test' the bias freq by disconnecting BL16 and apply voltage on it ? I tried jumping pins 9 and 10 on IC809 - no effect. Both C945 close to IC101/201 are also okay. Best regards & thanks much in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > The auto-cal sequence is: azimuth, bias rough R, bias rough L, bias fine R, > bias fine L, eq R, level R, eq L, level L. > During each bias cycle, see if you detect a ramping of the bias level to > each rec head, i.e., if the bias is seen to be trying to adjust. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 19 20:48:26 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:48:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sale References: Message-ID: <000601c1413b$ab5a9200$06289bca@smarzuki> Sam, this is perfect for Javier ! Still 8 days to go though, enough time for translation & further inquiries. Bitte Vorkasse = prepaid please ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sale > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276656535 > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 19 06:47:14 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:47:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help with 582 References: <004701c14184$ac719d20$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000401c140c6$27f11da0$e4289bca@smarzuki> That is certainly true with current crops of PC ! Might also be true with Naks ... especially wih that "orange caps conspiracy theory". What amazed me is that most or that thingies are still alive and kickin on my 482 ! oranges -1 heads - 0. :-) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with 582 > Really wierd theory - but possible. Wouter may be able to get more info if > this is true? > Stop light is on when the heads are not actually used - the light switches > off after play mode engages. > However Nak would get the deck back to service centers after some reasonable > period to evaluate any other defects are noticed! - nice idea to evaluate > your product failure probability analysis? > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas > To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In addition, they always refer you to distributors, who charge more than the $35 when selling in small quantities. The other problem is labor, which would run about $100 to solder the multi strand cable to the very tiny pins inside the connectors. Your up to nearly $210 right there. > > I didn't want to hard wire because I know that will devalue the preamp when I eventually upgrade to something else (fingers still crossed for a Klyne). At $100 in labor to hard wire, I figured it was worth another $110 to keep it "original." > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From targowski at mediaone.net Thu Sep 20 22:31:57 2001 From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:31:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Test ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Warsaw, Poland. I found a store where they had 2 MA-XG's, and lots of BASF tapes ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Thu, September 20, 2001 4:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Test ... Hi Stan, I don't recognise that currency off the top...where did you go to get those delightfully magnetic treasures?? Cheers, Marc >>> targowski at mediaone.net 09/20/01 07:57AM >>> Just came back from a trip with a set of brand new TDK MA-XG, BASF TP-II Reference Maxima, BASF TP-IV Metal Maxima, and TDK MA (with the screws ...)tapes. Will do some recordings on my CR-4 ... BASF Tapes were 12-12.50 PLN, and MA-XG was 42.50 PLN ($US1=4.25PLN). Will keep ypu posted ... Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks Rick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 00:15:57 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:15:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE 2 receiver References: <3BAA6260.B176C720@home.com> Message-ID: <056701c14221$d3598d60$453442cf@sank1> It's only about average among non-high-end equipment. Also, the build quality is only about average, i.e., not up to typical Nak standards. Hence, the blown output stage, which is very common on the model series. I wouldn't consider anything above $150 for a perfectly working RE-2 to be a good deal. Personally, I'd rather have an old 630 tuner/preamp or a 430 tuner/410 preamp combo. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Nak Talk" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE 2 receiver > Hey everyone. Can anyone tell me what they think > of the preamp section on an RE 2? I have the > chance to pick one up cheap and use it as a > preamp. The mains are blown. Also, any idea of > what this sold for new? > Thanks > Rick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 00:33:56 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:33:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <059901c14224$569efb40$453442cf@sank1> Quite a good receiver. But I'd rather have a Nak SR-4 or 730(which I do have). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > Stephen, > > what can you say about the above receiver/amplifier? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 00:36:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:36:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579D@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <05a101c14224$bb744660$453442cf@sank1> Well, I've worked on lots of Uher's 4000-series 4-speed portable reel decks & know them all very well. And I have worked on a few of the CR-series portable cassettes, which are rather unusual machines. That's about it. Not much else from Uher got to this country. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > I just cant't stop wondering, Stephen. You seem to know everything.... Nice > to know at least that there's nothing bad to expect from Uher! Many thanks > from me and my friend! > > Now it's my turn to become curious: can you name some of their decks you > came across? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:51 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > Well, I can't say anything pertinent on that, as I have never seen > > anything > > but open reel & cassette decks from Uher. All I can say is that I have a > > good opinion of their tape decks, and would not expect them to make > > anything > > bad in amplifiers. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:12 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > Thanks, Stephen, for the exhaustive answer. > > > > > > The amp is German UHER VG-836 (made around 85-86). > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:35 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > I've seen some pretty crappy amps with similar labelling, but some > > decent > > > > ones, too. Make & model? > > > > Switching distortion refers to the glitch in the waveform caused by > > the > > > > positive output devices' turning off as the negative devices turn on. > > > > Class > > > > AB bias, where the output devices are kept partially turned on, > > reduces > > > > this > > > > component. Full class A bias, where the outputs are fully turned on > > > > always, > > > > eliminates it. The reference in the amp label can mean anything from > > the > > > > former to the latter. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Stephen! > > > > > > > > > > Does it make any good, that the amp is DC coupled? > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, I didn't quite get it, what would "...to some extent > > > > > high-biased, to reduce switching > > > > > distortion" mean? What is switching distortion in this case? > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:41 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > This would mean that the amp is DC coupled, i.e., no DC blocking > > > > > > capacitors > > > > > > in the signal path(although it may only refer to the output > > stage), > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > the amp is at least to some extent high-biased, to reduce > > switching > > > > > > distortion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen or anybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend and colleague of mine owns a vintage amplifier, that > > has > > > > the > > > > > > > following legend on its faceplate: "full DC non-switching > > > > amplifier". > > > > > > What > > > > > > > does it mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > == > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > == > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > == > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 06:45:34 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:45:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem References: <007d01c13cd8$20160100$42d60192@vsnl> <000601c13ce3$da1c1200$99299bca@smarzuki> <001a01c13d58$dc5d4140$ea299bca@smarzuki> <031f01c13d80$f8671d20$133442cf@sank1> <003d01c13e25$7e25c0c0$de289bca@smarzuki> <008901c13e2c$bc7127a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <000801c13ead$e7a99700$24289bca@smarzuki> <01e301c13f01$492408a0$1f3442cf@sank1> <003101c13f0d$5365f4c0$24289bca@smarzuki> <00a901c13fdb$5c851da0$833442cf@sank1> <003201c13f3c$b9fc6c80$b5199bca@smarzuki> <011c01c13ff7$dd320780$833442cf@sank1> <000501c13fc7$1060b6a0$14289bca@smarzuki> <017701c14098$d5b80c60$453442cf@sank1> <001e01c13fe9$b83fbfc0$f1289bca@smarzuki> <033301c14122$d8f4cd20$453442cf@sank1> <001001c14136$58c17f40$06289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001101c14258$41c0e380$393442cf@sank1> When pin 8 of IC809 goes high, and the 105kHz signal appears at pin 9 at at least 5V peak-to-peak level, then pin 10 should output a 105kHz waveform. I'd suggest you simply replace IC809, as well as IC807 & IC808, which are dirt cheap common CMOS chips. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > Hi Stephen, > > Very smart of me, not checking the bias freq on rec head connector ! I did > check erase connector, getting that 52.5khz reading - but over on rec head > is a big 0 ... No wonder the deck can't put no music on tape - but why > test tone are almost okay ? Fixed vs variable frequency ? Rec signal > (external tone / music) is good up to both BM1/2 and rec head connectors. > > 105k bias freq reads OK up to last gate on IC809 (4081 pin 9/12). I'm not > sure what BL16 from logic board does to bias circuitry (rec mute ?) but > there's no voltage change on that line between rec mode and normal > (stop/play) mode - and this BL16 is the other input to IC809 gate (pin > 8/13). Bias set chip IC101 'receives' 105k from IC808 however no bias freq > passed to bias amp IC301 (4556) ... and my logic really can't follow the > logic of 'and's + 'nand's. :-( > > Do you think this record problem caused by non functioning BL16 ? The trace > on logic board goes everywhere ! Is it possible to 'test' the bias freq by > disconnecting BL16 and apply voltage on it ? I tried jumping pins 9 and 10 > on IC809 - no effect. Both C945 close to IC101/201 are also okay. > > Best regards & thanks much in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] getting weirder record problem > > > > The auto-cal sequence is: azimuth, bias rough R, bias rough L, bias fine > R, > > bias fine L, eq R, level R, eq L, level L. > > During each bias cycle, see if you detect a ramping of the bias level to > > each rec head, i.e., if the bias is seen to be trying to adjust. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl Fri Sep 21 08:58:37 2001 From: N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl (N.van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:58:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 Message-ID: Thank you Stephan for taking all that time for answer the PA5 questions. What would you think, is it wise to do the upgrade? Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 09:32:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:32:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 References: Message-ID: <005601c1426f$933965e0$393442cf@sank1> I think there is no possibility of blowing it up, as long as you're reasonably skilled with a soldering iron, so there's no harm in trying it out. I'm curious to see what effect it has. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi PA5 > Thank you Stephan for taking all that time for answer the PA5 questions. > > What would you think, is it wise to do the upgrade? > > Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Fri Sep 21 09:45:13 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:45:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: Thanks Stephen. Just the fact that it works gives me great hope. I have always promised myself that one day I would have a NAK in the home, just never thought I would get one with such historic value that actually works, and can still be considered a decent deck by todays standards. Now with my 1000 and the TD-1200 for the car, I feel that the bug has bitten. Scanning the classifieds now for a 680ZX. Ant "Stephen Sank" To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Sent by: owner-naktalk @naks.com 20/09/01 04:56 PM Please respond to naktalk It could be as simple as too much slip on the capstan belt, but more likely that you have dried up grease on the pinch roller axles. These roller arm assemblies are not made to be disassembled, so it takes a good bit of effort to do just that & remove/replace the hardened grease. Not a terribly hard job, but a good couple of hours work. I have the 1000 service manual(or at least the 1000-II). Not sure when I'll have time to start scanning it, though. I would be happy to lend it to a Naktalker in America that would have time to do the scanning. Anybody? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 21 10:50:25 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:50:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: <20010921085025.HXP11469.jktsm02@jktsm04.indosat.net.id> Hello Ant ... welcome to the club ! :-) My first naktalk anniversary and already turned into a flat-broke-owner of too many Naks. Any shrink can relate this to a disturbed past of akai owner drooling over Nak 1000. Cheers, Salim SM > > Thanks Stephen. Just the fact that it works gives me great hope. > > I have always promised myself that one day I would have a NAK in the home, > just never thought I would get one with such historic value that actually > works, and can still be considered a decent deck by todays standards. Now > with my 1000 and the TD-1200 for the car, I feel that the bug has bitten. > Scanning the classifieds now for a 680ZX. > > Ant > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl Fri Sep 21 12:13:21 2001 From: N.van.Wijnen at windesheim.nl (N.van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:13:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 Message-ID: Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), Yes everything fine here. I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a whole lot of mail on naktalk). I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it on the manual site. I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 poweramp (service)manual to scan? Greetings Norman ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Sep 21 12:38:11 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:38:11 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> It's good as receiver, OK. And as an amplifier? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:34 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > > Quite a good receiver. But I'd rather have a Nak SR-4 or 730(which I do > have). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:19 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > > > > Stephen, > > > > what can you say about the above receiver/amplifier? > > > > Nick > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Sep 21 12:25:20 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:25:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: Hi Ant, You beat me to this one!!! (Big grin)....I chatted to Ryan on, I think Sunday, and I honestly I didn't think it would "go" that quickly. It's a brilliant deal, so well done!! Wonderful to hear you've got one in the home now. Is your TD1200 up and going? Cheers, Marc >>> acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za 09/21/01 09:45AM >>> Thanks Stephen. Just the fact that it works gives me great hope. I have always promised myself that one day I would have a NAK in the home, just never thought I would get one with such historic value that actually works, and can still be considered a decent deck by todays standards. Now with my 1000 and the TD-1200 for the car, I feel that the bug has bitten. Scanning the classifieds now for a 680ZX. Ant "Stephen Sank" To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Sent by: owner-naktalk @naks.com 20/09/01 04:56 PM Please respond to naktalk It could be as simple as too much slip on the capstan belt, but more likely that you have dried up grease on the pinch roller axles. These roller arm assemblies are not made to be disassembled, so it takes a good bit of effort to do just that & remove/replace the hardened grease. Not a terribly hard job, but a good couple of hours work. I have the 1000 service manual(or at least the 1000-II). Not sure when I'll have time to start scanning it, though. I would be happy to lend it to a Naktalker in America that would have time to do the scanning. Anybody? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za Fri Sep 21 14:02:31 2001 From: acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za (acalcutt at leaseplan.co.za) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:02:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's Message-ID: I must confess, it is working, but still sitting under a towel on the workshop bench. I haven't decided yet as to who's car will be the lucky recipient, my fiancee's or mine. "Mark Hugo" , .co.za> cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original 1000 from the 70's 21/09/01 12:25 PM Hi Ant, You beat me to this one!!! (Big grin)....I chatted to Ryan on, I think Sunday, and I honestly I didn't think it would "go" that quickly. It's a brilliant deal, so well done!! Wonderful to hear you've got one in the home now. Is your TD1200 up and going? Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Fri Sep 21 15:02:18 2001 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:02:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cd choices Message-ID: <009c01c1429d$d2557880$72d36bd8@m5e0c7> Nakkers, Romulan cloaking device disengaged.... Aesthetic question.... I own way too many 600 series components,oops that was my wife! What I am looking for is a survey on suggestions for a cd unit based on size, looks and features. The parameters are a unit that is black,15"-18' wide, maybe 6" to ? deep, maybe a 9" face (thats a bit much)hehehe!!! The goal is to add to the system one rack , whether a unit can be adapted to fit in the bottom of the rack (15"wide)or sit on top of the rack(18")wide, if 15", it could be mounted in the bottom of the rack , as the legs-wheel frame protrude and could support a deeper unit. the goal is to keep the rack looking good and limit my wiring , to utilize the wheeling feature of the rack. I know most of you are far into the technical features of electronics, and an aesthetic and size ? may be on the frindge. Latest greatest is not an issue, just got to look good in the rack. Comments and suggestions appreciated. Damon w/4 600's, 2 610's, 5 620's, 2 630's, one system in the rack, the other system wedged ,amps bridged powering Altec VOT's in Oak ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 16:31:38 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:31:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F579F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <007001c142aa$204a5360$393442cf@sank1> Same answer: Quite a good amplifier. But I'd rather have a Nak SR-4 or 730(which I do have). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > It's good as receiver, OK. And as an amplifier? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:34 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > > > > Quite a good receiver. But I'd rather have a Nak SR-4 or 730(which I do > > have). > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Igritski Nick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:19 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > what can you say about the above receiver/amplifier? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > == > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 17:31:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:31:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd choices References: <009c01c1429d$d2557880$72d36bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: <00bc01c142b2$7c375ee0$393442cf@sank1> I've been racking my brain for a few minutes now, considering your aesthetic requirements. The first player that comes to mind is an oldie, but, given some resoldering, an extremely reliable & nice sounding unit, the Bang & Olufsen CDX. These are unfortunately suddenly very popular in ebay, hitting $400 commonly. But you can find them cheap sometimes. It is a small, sleek, top-loading deck. About 12-13" x about 7-8" deep x 2" high. Would need to sit on top of the Sys1 rack. Would go best with silver face 600-series, but not bad with black. If front loading is required, nearly the same deck, with improved sonics, but same soldering issues, is the Mission DAD-7000, which is about 13" x 9-10" x 2.75-3". Same bullet-proof reliability after resoldering on the two main boards. Upgraded version of a Magnavox(Philips) FD-2040(or 2041, 1041 or 1040, can't quite recall for sure), which would also serve well. Requiring a bit more maintenance, but a nicer player, is the old Sony CDP-102(which, come to think of it, I have one to sell), which was the 13" width version of the well known CDP-302. Best sound ever from 2x oversampling. Wickedly fast & superb linear motor(no belts or gears) tracking system. Only real issues to be dealt with every few years are linear motor guide rail lubrication & loading tray drive belts. Great units, which I should have thought of first, and belong at the top of this list. The one I have is mint(really mint), with remote, original box, packing & manual. I'd like to get $120, which includes one year warranty from me, as well as fresh loading belts & lub/alignment. Depth is about 9-10" & height is 2.5-2.75". Black face. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Josz" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] cd choices > Nakkers, Romulan cloaking device disengaged.... > > > Aesthetic question.... > > I own way too many 600 series components,oops that was my wife! > > What I am looking for is a survey on suggestions for a cd unit based on > size, looks and features. The parameters are a unit that is black,15"-18' > wide, maybe 6" to ? deep, maybe a 9" face (thats a bit much)hehehe!!! The > goal is to add to the system one rack , whether a unit can be adapted to fit > in the bottom of the rack (15"wide)or sit on top of the rack(18")wide, if > 15", it could be mounted in the bottom of the rack , as the legs-wheel > frame protrude and could support a deeper unit. the goal is to keep the rack > looking good and limit my wiring , to utilize the wheeling feature of the > rack. I know most of you are far into the technical features of electronics, > and an aesthetic and size ? may be on the frindge. Latest greatest is not an > issue, just got to look good in the rack. Comments and suggestions > appreciated. > > Damon w/4 600's, 2 610's, 5 620's, 2 630's, one system in the rack, the > other system wedged ,amps bridged powering Altec VOT's in Oak > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 21 17:49:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:49:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 References: Message-ID: <00ec01c142b5$11da0860$393442cf@sank1> I have the PA-7 & PA-7II service manuals. Will scan & email to you as zipped .gif files when I have some time. Not sure if I have the CA-5 manual or not. I'll try to remember to check my shop files today. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > Yes everything fine here. > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it on the manual site. > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > Greetings Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Fri Sep 21 19:40:47 2001 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:40:47 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] cd choices + Message-ID: <200109211740.f8LHelq19295@ad.md> as i know, the b&o cdx is based on the design of the philips cd104 player and was built in the same factory. the "advantage" of the philips in a nak rack is that it is small, has a front loading tray and much, much cheaper to get. i have a cd104 and i am totally fascinated by its full metall transport. also you wouldn't expect such a small box to have such a weight. even if it is from the 80's, this player reads all cds you give him - cda, cdr, cdrw, it even whistles those fax-like "data fluxes" if a cdrom is inserted... by the way, in the future i plann to add a digital out and to use my cd104 as a transport. Stephen what you thik about it, is it worth "investing"? is this moddification difficult to perform, any schemes, suggestions? thanks, and, Damon, sorry for parasitating with my question on yours, but you never know, it may be useful for you too if you buy one ef these oldy players... ps: if i remember, Ron didn't answered Salim's question if he is ok after last weeks attacks... bye m > I've been racking my brain for a few minutes now, considering your aesthetic > requirements. The first player that comes to mind is an oldie, but, given > some resoldering, an extremely reliable & nice sounding unit, the Bang & > Olufsen CDX. These are unfortunately suddenly very popular in ebay, hitting > $400 commonly. But you can find them cheap sometimes. It is a small, > sleek, top-loading deck. About 12-13" x about 7-8" deep x 2" high. Would > need to sit on top of the Sys1 rack. Would go best with silver face > 600-series, but not bad with black. If front loading is required, nearly > the same deck, with improved sonics, but same soldering issues, is the > Mission DAD-7000, which is about 13" x 9-10" x 2.75-3". Same bullet-proof > reliability after resoldering on the two main boards. Upgraded version of a > Magnavox(Philips) FD-2040(or 2041, 1041 or 1040, can't quite recall for > sure), which would also serve well. > Requiring a bit more maintenance, but a nicer player, is the old Sony > CDP-102(which, come to think of it, I have one to sell), which was the 13" > width version of the well known CDP-302. Best sound ever from 2x > oversampling. Wickedly fast & superb linear motor(no belts or gears) > tracking system. Only real issues to be dealt with every few years are > linear motor guide rail lubrication & loading tray drive belts. Great > units, which I should have thought of first, and belong at the top of this > list. The one I have is mint(really mint), with remote, original box, > packing & manual. I'd like to get $120, which includes one year warranty > from me, as well as fresh loading belts & lub/alignment. Depth is about > 9-10" & height is 2.5-2.75". Black face. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damon Josz" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:02 AM > Subject: [naktalk] cd choices > marin turea e-mail: emte at mail.md ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Sep 21 20:41:30 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:41:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <05a101c14224$bb744660$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, What's your opinion about mics that came with 4000? Thanks, Misha >Well, I've worked on lots of Uher's 4000-series 4-speed portable reel decks >& know them all very well. And I have worked on a few of the CR-series >portable cassettes, which are rather unusual machines. That's about it. >Not much else from Uher got to this country. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Sep 21 20:49:51 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:49:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-285 References: <007001c142aa$204a5360$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Comparing 410+420 and 730 I will prefer 410+420. And SE amp based on Toshiba 6G-B8 (7 watts) over both Naks. Misha >Same answer: Quite a good amplifier. But I'd rather have a Nak SR-4 or >730(which I do have). > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Sep 21 21:23:50 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:23:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] cd choices References: <009c01c1429d$d2557880$72d36bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: Hi Damon, Here is the couple of old, probably 84's Dual cd players. They are exact match for your 600 rack! Vertical loading disc, in a special motorized "cassette like" tray, size is practicaly identical to 600s (will go to the shop and check it tomorrow). Colour is somewhat like dark silver. There should be some rack-ears made for it but my guess is that it's not so difficult to made. The only problem is that I'm living in Kiev, Ukraine and shipping may be extremely difficult. But I may consider a good trade ;-)))) Misha >What I am looking for is a survey on suggestions for a cd unit based on >size, looks and features. The parameters are a unit that is black,15"-18' >wide, maybe 6" to ? deep, maybe a 9" face (thats a bit much)hehehe!!! The >goal is to add to the system one rack , whether a unit can be adapted to fit >in the bottom of the rack (15"wide)or sit on top of the rack(18")wide, if >15", it could be mounted in the bottom of the rack , as the legs-wheel ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 22 00:06:26 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:06:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? References: <05a101c14224$bb744660$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <014001c142e9$a9ad3ac0$393442cf@sank1> Uher's mics were really bad. But they were too cheap to be meant to be good. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: What does it mean? > Hi Stephen, > > What's your opinion about mics that came with 4000? > > Thanks, > Misha > > >Well, I've worked on lots of Uher's 4000-series 4-speed portable reel decks > >& know them all very well. And I have worked on a few of the CR-series > >portable cassettes, which are rather unusual machines. That's about it. > >Not much else from Uher got to this country. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 22 00:24:01 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:24:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] cd choices + References: <200109211740.f8LHelq19295@ad.md> Message-ID: <018801c142ec$1e05dba0$393442cf@sank1> The CDX uses the barely-2nd-generation Philips DSP chip set, which has no possibility of adding digital output. So, the CD-104, if the same chip set, is equally incapable. Same is true of the Mission DAD-7000 & the McIntosh MCD-7000, which were also based on the same unit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "marin turea" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cd choices + > as i know, the b&o cdx is based on the design of the philips cd104 player and was built in the same factory. the "advantage" of the philips in a nak rack is that it is small, has a front loading tray and much, much cheaper to get. i have a cd104 and i am totally fascinated by its full metall transport. also you wouldn't expect such a small box to have such a weight. even if it is from the 80's, this player reads all cds you give him - cda, cdr, cdrw, it even whistles those fax-like "data fluxes" if a cdrom is inserted... > by the way, in the future i plann to add a digital out and to use my cd104 as a transport. Stephen what you thik about it, is it worth "investing"? is this moddification difficult to perform, any schemes, suggestions? > thanks, and, Damon, sorry for parasitating with my question on yours, but you never know, it may be useful for you too if you buy one ef these oldy players... > > ps: if i remember, Ron didn't answered Salim's question if he is ok after last weeks attacks... > bye > m > > > > > > I've been racking my brain for a few minutes now, considering your aesthetic > > requirements. The first player that comes to mind is an oldie, but, given > > some resoldering, an extremely reliable & nice sounding unit, the Bang & > > Olufsen CDX. These are unfortunately suddenly very popular in ebay, hitting > > $400 commonly. But you can find them cheap sometimes. It is a small, > > sleek, top-loading deck. About 12-13" x about 7-8" deep x 2" high. Would > > need to sit on top of the Sys1 rack. Would go best with silver face > > 600-series, but not bad with black. If front loading is required, nearly > > the same deck, with improved sonics, but same soldering issues, is the > > Mission DAD-7000, which is about 13" x 9-10" x 2.75-3". Same bullet-proof > > reliability after resoldering on the two main boards. Upgraded version of a > > Magnavox(Philips) FD-2040(or 2041, 1041 or 1040, can't quite recall for > > sure), which would also serve well. > > Requiring a bit more maintenance, but a nicer player, is the old Sony > > CDP-102(which, come to think of it, I have one to sell), which was the 13" > > width version of the well known CDP-302. Best sound ever from 2x > > oversampling. Wickedly fast & superb linear motor(no belts or gears) > > tracking system. Only real issues to be dealt with every few years are > > linear motor guide rail lubrication & loading tray drive belts. Great > > units, which I should have thought of first, and belong at the top of this > > list. The one I have is mint(really mint), with remote, original box, > > packing & manual. I'd like to get $120, which includes one year warranty > > from me, as well as fresh loading belts & lub/alignment. Depth is about > > 9-10" & height is 2.5-2.75". Black face. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Damon Josz" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:02 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] cd choices > > > > marin turea > e-mail: emte at mail.md > > > > > ___________________________________________ > Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Sep 22 03:26:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:26:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sale Message-ID: <7f.1a90421d.28dd42e1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/20/2001 1:49:45 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam, this is perfect for Javier ! Still 8 days to go though, enough time for translation & further inquiries. Bitte Vorkasse = prepaid please ? >> What does he need? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 22 13:44:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:44:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c1435b$f6b18ac0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Hey, Matyas! You okay, man? If the doctors cut off your ears can I have your Nak's?! ;o) Get well soon, my friend. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 22 September 2001 07:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes Hi Matyas Hope you're OK after Thursday's op....best wishes for a comfortable weekend. Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 21 16:36:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:36:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Public Thanks for Nth time. Message-ID: <001301c142aa$db9170e0$36289bca@smarzuki> Just want to say *Big Thanks* to Stephen who made every Nak problem real easy to solve, and whose time dedicated to Nakkers is beyond belief. Also to Matyas and Kannan for various refreshing ideas .... of course thanks much for the schematics, Matyas, I second Mark in wishing you good health after the surgery / operation. Finally my ZXL is in working shape ! PB sounds faboulous and rec-play response is surreal ... flattest I've seen at 0db except for the extreme hf end. Made me wonder whether Nak 'cheated' in EQing the response, but who really cares. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 22 17:30:41 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:30:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening In-Reply-To: <000f01c1435b$f6b18ac0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Any recommendations? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 22 19:21:11 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 18:21:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT In-Reply-To: <000f01c1435b$f6b18ac0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001101c1438a$f9c268e0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Could someone explain to me - in layman's language - why some interconnects are directional? I had been very sceptical about this issue of direction but, having just made myself some cable (solid copper core bell wire twisted) I find that, if I plug in the interconnect one direction it sounds dreadful but it Swap it round it sounds very good. I can't believe my ears (or in my case, ear!) Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 21 20:55:19 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:55:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT References: <001101c1438a$f9c268e0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c142ce$f655d140$e2289bca@smarzuki> If Ron doesn't reply to this, I'm really worried ! Sorry Graham, can't comment as I can't even hear the difference between 1+ cm diameter Cardas and average 'normal-thick' speaker cables. My expectation drove me to hear better things on Cardas ... but when I "reversed" my will, the regular one sounded better (tough but do-able). Definitely won't be able to hear different cable direction ! Anyways I'm a "neutral", in between megabucks-snakecable and all-amps-sound-equal camps. How convenient. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT > Could someone explain to me - in layman's language - why some interconnects > are directional? I had been very sceptical about this issue of direction > but, having just made myself some cable (solid copper core bell wire > twisted) I find that, if I plug in the interconnect one direction it sounds > dreadful but it Swap it round it sounds very good. I can't believe my ears > (or in my case, ear!) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Sep 22 20:59:38 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:59:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening References: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003c01c14398$c1ae4c40$32031fac@brianm> Sennheiser HD600's, shop around, there are a lot of deals on these. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > Any recommendations? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 22 21:08:48 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:08:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening References: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <028101c1439a$0351c680$393442cf@sank1> The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many times do I have to tell you people?! =) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > Any recommendations? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sat Sep 22 23:55:57 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:55:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening References: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> <028101c1439a$0351c680$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002801c143b1$5d2eb8e0$6a8955c3@amd> What about the Jacklin Float electrostatic headspeakers ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many times > do I have to tell you people?! =) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sun Sep 23 01:14:42 2001 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:14:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening References: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> <028101c1439a$0351c680$393442cf@sank1> <002801c143b1$5d2eb8e0$6a8955c3@amd> Message-ID: <001301c143bc$615cf840$9e3cbbd4@mauritsbrtct3o> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > What about the Jacklin Float electrostatic headspeakers ? I suppose you mean Jecklin Float? Nice technique from 30 years ago. Nothing special these days. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Sep 23 04:01:54 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:01:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Routing the Stereo Component Wires Message-ID: <000f01c143d3$b934f2e0$7d899a40@compaq> I have a great stereo cabinet in where I'm going to rearrange all six components and reconfigure the AC wiring and the component connect cables. There is a 14" X 40" X 2" door compartment on the back of the stereo cabinet where I can configure all the wires and cables. I built this myself to keep everything dust free and to arrange the AC wires and cables accordingly. I want to configure the wires and cables so that I may not have any interference hum noise. I believe the best thing to do is to mix the AC wires and component connect cables across the panel than to have all the AC lines on one side and all the component connect cables on the other side. Am I using the right approach? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 04:20:52 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:20:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening References: <001001c1437b$89cf7f00$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> <028101c1439a$0351c680$393442cf@sank1> <002801c143b1$5d2eb8e0$6a8955c3@amd> Message-ID: <02b301c143d6$5fda7820$393442cf@sank1> Electrostat phones have nice top end, but no punch in the low end. The SP-7 have serious punch in the low end! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > What about the Jacklin Float electrostatic headspeakers ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many > times > > do I have to tell you people?! =) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 04:34:29 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:34:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Routing the Stereo Component Wires References: <000f01c143d3$b934f2e0$7d899a40@compaq> Message-ID: <02d801c143d8$46159120$393442cf@sank1> Theoretically, you want to route the AC cables as far away as possible from the signal lines, particularly avoiding parallel runs between AC's & signals of less than a foot or so apart. Nothing wrong with bundling the AC cables together. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Routing the Stereo Component Wires I have a great stereo cabinet in where I'm going to rearrange all six components and reconfigure the AC wiring and the component connect cables. There is a 14" X 40" X 2" door compartment on the back of the stereo cabinet where I can configure all the wires and cables. I built this myself to keep everything dust free and to arrange the AC wires and cables accordingly. I want to configure the wires and cables so that I may not have any interference hum noise. I believe the best thing to do is to mix the AC wires and component connect cables across the panel than to have all the AC lines on one side and all the component connect cables on the other side. Am I using the right approach? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Sep 23 04:41:55 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:41:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1333 In-Reply-To: <200109230234.EAA09815@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: With Stephens insistance on the Nak SP 7's looks like we all of us that don't have these need to find a pair. Unfortunately I have never heard a pair of these, but I do trust Stephen's recommendation...but they must be really good as I have a pair each of Grado SR60's, Senn HD 600's & Etymotic ER-4S's. Each of these I enjoy...The Grados are cheap enough to mistreat, leaving them laying around, using them in dirty (sweaty) environments, etc. The Etmotics are great when traveling or visiting grand kids due to their ambient noise attenuation, and the Senn HD 600's are really good for serious, comfortable listening and I have been happy with each of these cans. TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 21:34 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1333 naktalk-digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1333 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:36:35 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: [naktalk] Public Thanks for Nth time. Just want to say *Big Thanks* to Stephen who made every Nak problem real easy to solve, and whose time dedicated to Nakkers is beyond belief. Also to Matyas and Kannan for various refreshing ideas .... of course thanks much for the schematics, Matyas, I second Mark in wishing you good health after the surgery / operation. Finally my ZXL is in working shape ! PB sounds faboulous and rec-play response is surreal ... flattest I've seen at 0db except for the extreme hf end. Made me wonder whether Nak 'cheated' in EQing the response, but who really cares. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:30:41 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening Any recommendations? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 18:21:11 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT Could someone explain to me - in layman's language - why some interconnects are directional? I had been very sceptical about this issue of direction but, having just made myself some cable (solid copper core bell wire twisted) I find that, if I plug in the interconnect one direction it sounds dreadful but it Swap it round it sounds very good. I can't believe my ears (or in my case, ear!) Graham - - ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:55:19 +0700 From: "Salim Marzuki" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT If Ron doesn't reply to this, I'm really worried ! Sorry Graham, can't comment as I can't even hear the difference between 1+ cm diameter Cardas and average 'normal-thick' speaker cables. My expectation drove me to hear better things on Cardas ... but when I "reversed" my will, the regular one sounded better (tough but do-able). Definitely won't be able to hear different cable direction ! Anyways I'm a "neutral", in between megabucks-snakecable and all-amps-sound-equal camps. How convenient. :-) Cheers, Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT > Could someone explain to me - in layman's language - why some interconnects > are directional? I had been very sceptical about this issue of direction > but, having just made myself some cable (solid copper core bell wire > twisted) I find that, if I plug in the interconnect one direction it sounds > dreadful but it Swap it round it sounds very good. I can't believe my ears > (or in my case, ear!) > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:59:38 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening Sennheiser HD600's, shop around, there are a lot of deals on these. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > Any recommendations? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:08:48 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many times do I have to tell you people?! =) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > Any recommendations? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:55:57 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening What about the Jacklin Float electrostatic headspeakers ? Norman - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many times > do I have to tell you people?! =) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I believe the best thing to do = is to mix the AC wires and component connect cables across the panel = than to have all the AC lines on one side and all the component connect = cables on the other side. Am I using the right approach? - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14399.0BC98CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a great stereo cabinet in where = I'm going to=20 rearrange all six components and reconfigure the AC wiring and the = component=20 connect cables. There is a 14" X 40" X 2" door compartment on the back = of the=20 stereo cabinet where I can configure all the wires and cables. I built = this=20 myself to keep everything dust free and to arrange the AC wires and = cables=20 accordingly. I want to configure the wires and cables so that I may = not=20 have any interference hum noise. I believe the best thing to do is = to mix=20 the AC wires and component connect cables across the panel than to have = all the=20 AC lines on one side and all the component connect cables on the other = side. Am=20 I using the right approach?
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C14399.0BC98CE0-- - --------------------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:20:52 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening Electrostat phones have nice top end, but no punch in the low end. The SP-7 have serious punch in the low end! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > What about the Jacklin Float electrostatic headspeakers ? > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > The only headphones worth having are the Nak SP-7's, damnit! How many > times > > do I have to tell you people?! =) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Headphones/Cans for the Nak listening > > > > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1333 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 05:07:15 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:07:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 References: Message-ID: <033601c143dc$d9e95c20$393442cf@sank1> Norman, I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > Yes everything fine here. > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it on the manual site. > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > Greetings Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Sep 23 06:48:59 2001 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:48:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? Message-ID: <000001c143eb$86a7bd40$21c69d40@compaq> I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I haven't tried yet: CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or facts is going on here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Sun Sep 23 10:05:13 2001 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:05:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? Message-ID: <28A53FF25551D511BED4000629556F712B699F@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I haven't tried yet: CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or facts is going on here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 10:58:46 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:58:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? References: <28A53FF25551D511BED4000629556F712B699F@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <037101c1440d$f529b760$393442cf@sank1> The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, theoretically, is distance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tellez, Raul" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > Cheers, > Raul > > -----Original Message----- > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > facts is going on here? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sun Sep 23 14:38:53 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:38:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 References: <033601c143dc$d9e95c20$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c1442c$b56c2da0$808855c3@amd> Stephan That would be great, I have also a question, could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or 20106K difficult to read) Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Norman, > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it > on the manual site. > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 23 14:51:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:51:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? In-Reply-To: <037101c1440d$f529b760$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c1442e$81568540$9ce6193e@a4s1s2> Stephen said: "Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, theoretically, is distance." This reminds me of the "Flux Dumper" bricks, which are solid steel encased in wood. It is said that, if you place one of these bricks on top of an amplified, or any piece of equipment it "improves" (for that read "changes") the sound of the hi fi. I think these things sell for something like £50 a go .... Now, putting aside for a moment if they actually do affect anything, it doesn't take much imagination to work out that, if the thing is mainly steal then a bag of nails, bought at the local hardware store for a £1 is likely to have the same "effect". I did experiment with a bag of nails .... yeah, sad sonofabitch, ain't I! - and my conclusions were ... If you place a heavy back of nails a top a Quad 405 power amp it can ruin or improve the sound from the amplifier. By improve, I mean offer greater clarity and space to the music coming out of it. By ruin I mean make the sound muddy. If the bag of nails was placed over the top of some critical components it seemed to divert the transformer's magnetic field into that direction; I suppose that had the detrimental effect. Otherwise, if you placed the bag of nails above the transformer, it seemed to focus the magnetic field in the direction if the bag of nails, apparently diverting it from taking a wider field that might affect other components. Now, one of you engineers is probably gonna tell me I've imagined the whole thing and that the theory is the biggest load of old tosh you ever heard! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Sun Sep 23 15:40:49 2001 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:40:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? References: <000701c1442e$81568540$9ce6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c14435$5c0e96e0$37d36bd8@m5e0c7> However, the bag of nails may become magnetized, therefore one simply places the nail on the head of the hammer, and swings. These nails can then be used to elevate your wires! Simply put, Graham, you've hit the nail on the head! :>) Regards,Damon ps thanks for the cd choice replies, gives me a direction to look ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > Stephen said: "Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product > that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance." > > This reminds me of the "Flux Dumper" bricks, which are solid steel encased > in wood. It is said that, if you place one of these bricks on top of an > amplified, or any piece of equipment it "improves" (for that read "changes") > the sound of the hi fi. I think these things sell for something like £50 a > go .... Now, putting aside for a moment if they actually do affect > anything, it doesn't take much imagination to work out that, if the thing is > mainly steal then a bag of nails, bought at the local hardware store for a > £1 is likely to have the same "effect". > > I did experiment with a bag of nails .... yeah, sad sonofabitch, ain't I! - > and my conclusions were ... If you place a heavy back of nails a top a Quad > 405 power amp it can ruin or improve the sound from the amplifier. By > improve, I mean offer greater clarity and space to the music coming out of > it. By ruin I mean make the sound muddy. If the bag of nails was placed > over the top of some critical components it seemed to divert the > transformer's magnetic field into that direction; I suppose that had the > detrimental effect. Otherwise, if you placed the bag of nails above the > transformer, it seemed to focus the magnetic field in the direction if the > bag of nails, apparently diverting it from taking a wider field that might > affect other components. Now, one of you engineers is probably gonna tell > me I've imagined the whole thing and that the theory is the biggest load of > old tosh you ever heard! > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Sep 23 15:55:03 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:55:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 In-Reply-To: <200109231250.OAA12409@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On the cable directivity issue...I make my own patch cords and use wire with 2 connectors and a sheild. I connect the shield to the source end only and to help tell which end is which I connect it so the signal travels in the same direction as the writing on the cable. I was told to do this years ago and always have, but don't recall why and honestly I havn't tried listening in reverse to see if I can detect a difference. On the cable elevators/vibration issue I have not tryed this, my speaker cables are on the floor. Might be an interesting experiment. I have seen various types of these elevators in use over the years. Audionut.com used to advertise some fairly inexpensive (compared to other brands, not coffee cups) porcelain ones. But Stephen brings up an interesting point I have always wondered about...not necessarily cable vibration, but the vibration from the speakers traveling through the cables to the interior of the amp. I have often wondered about these vibrations affecting the amp and thus the sound, but don't have a clue how to stop or minimize these vibrations and honestly figured I was being a bit anal even considering such issues. Any thoughts? TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 07:51 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 naktalk-digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1335 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:07:15 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 Norman, I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.van Wijnen" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > Yes everything fine here. > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it on the manual site. > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > Greetings Norman > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:48:59 -0700 From: "bigbear69" Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called = Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker = cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment = which I haven't tried yet: CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and = Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. = Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds = better. If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music = (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then = without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen = and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and = powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try = with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or = facts is going on here? - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have noticed that there's what I = believe a new=20 product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which = elevate=20 your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the = ad with an=20 experiment which I haven't tried yet:
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive = reviews in=20 Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music = lovers=20 world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor = simply sounds=20 better.
If you doubt it, try this experiment: = Play a=20 favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to = it=20 three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go = to the=20 kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker = cables and=20 powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = lower noise=20 floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a = musician=20 friend...they hear the difference immediately.
If these Cable Elevators really work, = what in=20 electronic therory and/or facts is going on = here?
- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40-- - --------------------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:05:13 +0200 From: "Tellez, Raul" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. Cheers, Raul - -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I haven't tried yet: CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or facts is going on here? - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it.  Try decaf.
 
Cheers,
Raul
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From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work?

I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I haven't tried yet:
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better.
If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately.
If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or facts is going on here?
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:58:46 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, theoretically, is distance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tellez, Raul" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > Cheers, > Raul > > -----Original Message----- > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > facts is going on here? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:38:53 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 Stephan That would be great, I have also a question, could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or 20106K difficult to read) Norman - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Norman, > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it > on the manual site. > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1335 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 23 16:47:46 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:47:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Flux Dumpers - Do they really work? In-Reply-To: <000b01c14435$5c0e96e0$37d36bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: <000001c1443e$b5af24e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> Damon Listen mate, I KNOW it's possible to make Gold outta Lead - it's just taking me a little time to perfect the technique .... The Alchemist -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Damon Josz Sent: 23 September 2001 14:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? However, the bag of nails may become magnetized, therefore one simply places the nail on the head of the hammer, and swings. These nails can then be used to elevate your wires! Simply put, Graham, you've hit the nail on the head! :>) Regards,Damon ps thanks for the cd choice replies, gives me a direction to look - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 23 16:47:49 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:47:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c1443e$b73a58c0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> Interesting theory, Tom. If vibrations are making their way down the cable wrapping a bit of Sorbothane around them would absorb it. I still maintain that stuff is God's gift to hi fi! I have Len Gregory's (Hi Fi News) test record for turntables and I can make my ancient old Lenco,w ith it's "crap" arm, and an Ortofon M40 (modest) MM cartridge pass some of the most stringent tests on the record just by applying bits of Sorbo' to the headshell and tiny bits on the side of the cartridge body that it cannot do without the stuff. That stuff really does absorb energy, as anyone can tell if they've seen a ball of it flung at the floor and fail to bounce. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: 23 September 2001 14:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 On the cable directivity issue...I make my own patch cords and use wire with 2 connectors and a sheild. I connect the shield to the source end only and to help tell which end is which I connect it so the signal travels in the same direction as the writing on the cable. I was told to do this years ago and always have, but don't recall why and honestly I havn't tried listening in reverse to see if I can detect a difference. On the cable elevators/vibration issue I have not tryed this, my speaker cables are on the floor. Might be an interesting experiment. I have seen various types of these elevators in use over the years. Audionut.com used to advertise some fairly inexpensive (compared to other brands, not coffee cups) porcelain ones. But Stephen brings up an interesting point I have always wondered about...not necessarily cable vibration, but the vibration from the speakers traveling through the cables to the interior of the amp. I have often wondered about these vibrations affecting the amp and thus the sound, but don't have a clue how to stop or minimize these vibrations and honestly figured I was being a bit anal even considering such issues. Any thoughts? TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 23 18:39:34 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:39:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? References: <28A53FF25551D511BED4000629556F712B699F@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <037101c1440d$f529b760$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BAE1046.996D2F3@earthlink.net> Electrostatics is exactly what Blue Circle sites as the culprit in explaining why cable elevators work. They also feel that vibration is a factor and go as far as actually spring loading each individual support. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is > electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems > slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet > materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some > microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I > had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own > experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I > just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he > perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think > about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by > vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. > Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tellez, Raul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > > > Cheers, > > Raul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > > haven't tried yet: > > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > > facts is going on here? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 22:06:36 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:06:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 References: <033601c143dc$d9e95c20$393442cf@sank1> <001801c1442c$b56c2da0$808855c3@amd> Message-ID: <000d01c1446b$40c92cc0$493442cf@sank1> The number coding is picofarads x (first two digits x third digit exponent of ten). So, 106= 10 x 10 to 6th power picofarads = 10,000,000pf = 10ufd. The voltage is 200volts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Stephan > > That would be great, > I have also a question, > > could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? > I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or > 20106K difficult to read) > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Norman, > > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "N.van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put > it > > on the manual site. > > > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 23 22:32:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:32:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 References: Message-ID: <004801c1446e$ed313180$493442cf@sank1> Except for a tube amp with a pathetically resonant chassis, I don't believe that cable-born vibrations could possibly affect the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > On the cable directivity issue...I make my own patch cords and use wire with > 2 connectors and a sheild. I connect the shield to the source end only and > to help tell which end is which I connect it so the signal travels in the > same direction as the writing on the cable. I was told to do this years ago > and always have, but don't recall why and honestly I havn't tried listening > in reverse to see if I can detect a difference. > > > On the cable elevators/vibration issue I have not tryed this, my speaker > cables are on the floor. Might be an interesting experiment. I have seen > various types of these elevators in use over the years. Audionut.com used to > advertise some fairly inexpensive (compared to other brands, not coffee > cups) porcelain ones. But Stephen brings up an interesting point I have > always wondered about...not necessarily cable vibration, but the vibration > from the speakers traveling through the cables to the interior of the amp. I > have often wondered about these vibrations affecting the amp and thus the > sound, but don't have a clue how to stop or minimize these vibrations and > honestly figured I was being a bit anal even considering such issues. Any > thoughts? > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 07:51 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > > > > naktalk-digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1335 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:07:15 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > Norman, > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it > on the manual site. > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:48:59 -0700 > From: "bigbear69" > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called = > Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker = > cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment = > which I haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and = > Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. = > Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds = > better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music = > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then = > without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen = > and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and = > powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = > lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try = > with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or = > facts is going on here? > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
I have noticed that there's what I = > believe a new=20 > product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which = > elevate=20 > your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the = > ad with an=20 > experiment which I haven't tried yet:
>
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive = > reviews in=20 > Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music = > lovers=20 > world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor = > simply sounds=20 > better.
>
If you doubt it, try this experiment: = > Play a=20 > favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to = > it=20 > three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go = > to the=20 > kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker = > cables and=20 > powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = > lower noise=20 > floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a = > musician=20 > friend...they hear the difference immediately.
>
If these Cable Elevators really work, = > what in=20 > electronic therory and/or facts is going on = > here?
> > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40-- > > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Only $9.95 per month! > Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:05:13 +0200 > From: "Tellez, Raul" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > Cheers, > Raul > > - -----Original Message----- > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > facts is going on here? > > > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > >
size=2>Maybe > the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it.  Try > decaf.
>
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>
size=2>Cheers,
>
size=2>Raul
>
>
size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: bigbear69 > [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, > 2001 > 9:49 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Cable > Elevators - Do they really work?

>
I have noticed that there's what I believe a > new > product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which > elevate > your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the > ad with an > experiment which I haven't tried yet:
>
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive > reviews in > Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music > lovers > world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply > sounds better.
>
If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a > favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to > it > three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go > to > the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker > cables > and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, > lower > noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a > musician friend...they hear the difference immediately.
>
If these Cable Elevators really work, what in > electronic therory and/or facts is going on > here?
> > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50-- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:58:46 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is > electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems > slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet > materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some > microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I > had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own > experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I > just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he > perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think > about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by > vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. > Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tellez, Raul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > > > Cheers, > > Raul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > > haven't tried yet: > > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > > facts is going on here? > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:38:53 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > Stephan > > That would be great, > I have also a question, > > could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? > I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or > 20106K difficult to read) > > Norman > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Norman, > > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "N.van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put > it > > on the manual site. > > > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom.Dedrick at Home.com Sun Sep 23 23:19:15 2001 From: Tom.Dedrick at Home.com (Tom Dedrick) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:19:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1337 In-Reply-To: <200109232046.WAA14608@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: I wonder if using various items to raise the cables would make a difference, such as: coffee cups making the sound bright (decaf less so) whiskey bottles making it smooth wine bottles to bring out the best of various elements boxes of nails - of course all pointing the same way - would make it sharper strips of sorbothane making it dead and lifeless springs to even out the response etc etc etc TomD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 15:47 To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1337 naktalk-digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1337 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:47:49 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 Interesting theory, Tom. If vibrations are making their way down the cable wrapping a bit of Sorbothane around them would absorb it. I still maintain that stuff is God's gift to hi fi! I have Len Gregory's (Hi Fi News) test record for turntables and I can make my ancient old Lenco,w ith it's "crap" arm, and an Ortofon M40 (modest) MM cartridge pass some of the most stringent tests on the record just by applying bits of Sorbo' to the headshell and tiny bits on the side of the cartridge body that it cannot do without the stuff. That stuff really does absorb energy, as anyone can tell if they've seen a ball of it flung at the floor and fail to bounce. Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: 23 September 2001 14:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 On the cable directivity issue...I make my own patch cords and use wire with 2 connectors and a sheild. I connect the shield to the source end only and to help tell which end is which I connect it so the signal travels in the same direction as the writing on the cable. I was told to do this years ago and always have, but don't recall why and honestly I havn't tried listening in reverse to see if I can detect a difference. On the cable elevators/vibration issue I have not tryed this, my speaker cables are on the floor. Might be an interesting experiment. I have seen various types of these elevators in use over the years. Audionut.com used to advertise some fairly inexpensive (compared to other brands, not coffee cups) porcelain ones. But Stephen brings up an interesting point I have always wondered about...not necessarily cable vibration, but the vibration from the speakers traveling through the cables to the interior of the amp. I have often wondered about these vibrations affecting the amp and thus the sound, but don't have a clue how to stop or minimize these vibrations and honestly figured I was being a bit anal even considering such issues. Any thoughts? TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:47:46 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Flux Dumpers - Do they really work? Damon Listen mate, I KNOW it's possible to make Gold outta Lead - it's just taking me a little time to perfect the technique .... The Alchemist - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Damon Josz Sent: 23 September 2001 14:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? However, the bag of nails may become magnetized, therefore one simply places the nail on the head of the hammer, and swings. These nails can then be used to elevate your wires! Simply put, Graham, you've hit the nail on the head! :>) Regards,Damon ps thanks for the cd choice replies, gives me a direction to look - - ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:39:34 -0700 From: Jim Volpatti Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? Electrostatics is exactly what Blue Circle sites as the culprit in explaining why cable elevators work. They also feel that vibration is a factor and go as far as actually spring loading each individual support. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > > The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is > electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems > slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet > materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some > microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I > had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own > experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I > just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he > perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think > about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by > vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. > Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tellez, Raul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > > > Cheers, > > Raul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > > haven't tried yet: > > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > > facts is going on here? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:06:36 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 The number coding is picofarads x (first two digits x third digit exponent of ten). So, 106= 10 x 10 to 6th power picofarads = 10,000,000pf = 10ufd. The voltage is 200volts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > Stephan > > That would be great, > I have also a question, > > could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? > I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or > 20106K difficult to read) > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Norman, > > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "N.van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put > it > > on the manual site. > > > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:32:54 -0600 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 Except for a tube amp with a pathetically resonant chassis, I don't believe that cable-born vibrations could possibly affect the sound. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dedrick" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > On the cable directivity issue...I make my own patch cords and use wire with > 2 connectors and a sheild. I connect the shield to the source end only and > to help tell which end is which I connect it so the signal travels in the > same direction as the writing on the cable. I was told to do this years ago > and always have, but don't recall why and honestly I havn't tried listening > in reverse to see if I can detect a difference. > > > On the cable elevators/vibration issue I have not tryed this, my speaker > cables are on the floor. Might be an interesting experiment. I have seen > various types of these elevators in use over the years. Audionut.com used to > advertise some fairly inexpensive (compared to other brands, not coffee > cups) porcelain ones. But Stephen brings up an interesting point I have > always wondered about...not necessarily cable vibration, but the vibration > from the speakers traveling through the cables to the interior of the amp. I > have often wondered about these vibrations affecting the amp and thus the > sound, but don't have a clue how to stop or minimize these vibrations and > honestly figured I was being a bit anal even considering such issues. Any > thoughts? > > TomD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 07:51 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > > > > naktalk-digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1335 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:07:15 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > Norman, > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put it > on the manual site. > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:48:59 -0700 > From: "bigbear69" > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called = > Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker = > cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment = > which I haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and = > Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. = > Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds = > better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music = > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then = > without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen = > and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and = > powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = > lower noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try = > with a musician friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or = > facts is going on here? > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
I have noticed that there's what I = > believe a new=20 > product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which = > elevate=20 > your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the = > ad with an=20 > experiment which I haven't tried yet:
>
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive = > reviews in=20 > Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music = > lovers=20 > world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor = > simply sounds=20 > better.
>
If you doubt it, try this experiment: = > Play a=20 > favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to = > it=20 > three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go = > to the=20 > kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker = > cables and=20 > powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, = > lower noise=20 > floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a = > musician=20 > friend...they hear the difference immediately.
>
If these Cable Elevators really work, = > what in=20 > electronic therory and/or facts is going on = > here?
> > - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C143B0.62993F40-- > > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > NetZero Platinum > Only $9.95 per month! > Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:05:13 +0200 > From: "Tellez, Raul" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > Cheers, > Raul > > - -----Original Message----- > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > haven't tried yet: > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > facts is going on here? > > > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > >
size=2>Maybe > the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it.  Try > decaf.
>
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>
size=2>Cheers,
>
size=2>Raul
>
>
size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: bigbear69 > [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, > 2001 > 9:49 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Cable > Elevators - Do they really work?

>
I have noticed that there's what I believe a > new > product out called Cable Elevators. These are little pedestals which > elevate > your speaker cables about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the > ad with an > experiment which I haven't tried yet:
>
CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive > reviews in > Ultimate Audio and Audio usings and are used by Audiophiles and music > lovers > world wide. Elevating speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply > sounds better.
>
If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a > favorite selection of music (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to > it > three times. Then without changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go > to > the kitchen and get 8 or 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker > cables > and powercords, sit back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, > lower > noise floor and improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a > musician friend...they hear the difference immediately.
>
If these Cable Elevators really work, what in > electronic therory and/or facts is going on > here?
> > - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14406.793FEE50-- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:58:46 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > The only thing I can think of, and this is reaching a bit, is > electrostatics(at least I think that is the appropriate term). It seems > slightly possible to me that the electrostatic properties of carpet > materials, and I suppose to some extent wood varnishes, may have some > microscopic influence on the electrons in the insulation & in the wire. I > had a client five or six years ago who decided, based on his own > experimentation, to elevate his cables with little blocks of foam rubber. I > just took his word for it, rather than ask him to demonstrate the benefit he > perceived. At the time, microphonics occurred to me, but the more I think > about it, the less I believe that cables can be audibly influenced by > vibration. So, electrostatics remains all I can think of. > Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tellez, Raul" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:05 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > Maybe the 8-10 coffee cups have something to do with it. Try decaf. > > > > Cheers, > > Raul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bigbear69 [mailto:bigbear69 at netzero.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:49 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? > > > > > > I have noticed that there's what I believe a new product out called Cable > > Elevators. These are little pedestals which elevate your speaker cables > > about 2" off the floor. Anyway, here's the ad with an experiment which I > > haven't tried yet: > > CABLE ELEVATORS hane received positive reviews in Ultimate Audio and Audio > > usings and are used by Audiophiles and music lovers world wide. Elevating > > speaker cables and power cords off the floor simply sounds better. > > If you doubt it, try this experiment: Play a favorite selection of music > > (about 30 secs worth) on A-B loop. Listen to it three times. Then without > > changing volume or any settings, hit pause. Go to the kitchen and get 8 or > > 10 coffee mugs. Place them under your speaker cables and powercords, sit > > back down and hit play. You will hear cleaner bass, lower noise floor and > > improved dynamics! This is even more fun to try with a musician > > friend...they hear the difference immediately. > > If these Cable Elevators really work, what in electronic therory and/or > > facts is going on here? > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:38:53 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > Stephan > > That would be great, > I have also a question, > > could you see at the PA7 manual what values C102 /C202 capacitor have? > I could only see at the label of this capacitors the value 2D106K . (or > 20106K difficult to read) > > Norman > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > Norman, > > I do have the CA-5 service manual, as well as the PA-7 manual(but not > > the PA-5). I'll scan & send as soon as I have time. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "N.van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:13 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Schematics PA5 > > > > > > > Hello Matyas (and of course everyone), > > > > > > Yes everything fine here. > > > I followed all the time the naktalks (the most of it because there is a > > whole lot of mail on naktalk). > > > > > > I will send the last part of the Dragon manual to Wouter so he can put > it > > on the manual site. > > > > > > I have also a part of the LX5 service manual scanned but because of the > > time i have not finished it. If you people want the incompleet manual tell > > me, because then i will it also send to Wouter. > > > > > > Is there someone who has the Nakamichi CA5 preamp and / or the PA5 > > poweramp (service)manual to scan? > > > > > > Greetings Norman > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #1335 > ****************************** > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #1337 ****************************** ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Sep 24 00:22:17 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:22:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dolby C unit for sale Message-ID: Is this anything anyone could use? Very different looking external Dolby unit. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1277199083 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 24 02:19:07 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:19:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1337 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> LOL! Oh ye of such little faith! Hey - make sure you try out those coffee cups (decaf' or full flavour) before you poke fun at them!! ;o) And don't forget: Aeronautic engineers have proven that the Bumble Bee cannot fly .... but it does anyway, which all goes to prove that there are some things which science has not yet found a way to explain. Just 'cos we don't yet know how to measure a phenomenon that some people claim they perceive does not mean the phenomenon does not exist. By the way, guys - apparently (engineer and hi fi journo') Ben Duncan wrote about cable directionality in the September 2000 issue of Hi Fi News. Haven't found a copy of it yet but I gather his theory is supposed to be something to do with "signal modulation" ... A Richard Black of London also points out that some directionality in cables may also be partly explained by signal reflection introduced by differences in the terminations at each end of the cable ... The Truth is Out There! Mulder -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Dedrick Sent: 23 September 2001 22:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1337 I wonder if using various items to raise the cables would make a difference, such as: coffee cups making the sound bright (decaf less so) whiskey bottles making it smooth wine bottles to bring out the best of various elements boxes of nails - of course all pointing the same way - would make it sharper strips of sorbothane making it dead and lifeless springs to even out the response etc etc etc TomD ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 24 03:28:51 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:28:51 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sa le Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A21@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey guy's try this web site out http://world.altavista.com/ It's an online translator. Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2001 11:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dolby B and C noise reduction unit for sale In a message dated 9/20/2001 1:49:45 PM Central Daylight Time, smarzuki at indosat.net.id writes: << Sam, this is perfect for Javier ! Still 8 days to go though, enough time for translation & further inquiries. Bitte Vorkasse = prepaid please ? >> What does he need? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 24 21:03:30 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:03:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ben Duncan on Cable direction References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #1337 > LOL! Oh ye of such little faith! > > Hey - make sure you try out those coffee cups (decaf' or full flavour) > before you poke fun at them!! ;o) > > And don't forget: Aeronautic engineers have proven that the Bumble Bee > cannot fly .... but it does anyway, which all goes to prove that there are > some things which science has not yet found a way to explain. Just 'cos we > don't yet know how to measure a phenomenon that some people claim they > perceive does not mean the phenomenon does not exist. Well that's an old myth, science does have an explanation as to how a bumble bee flies. As fo Ben Duncans column I was reading it the other day, and as usual for Duncan's columns he is very dense. (its in april 99) his conclusion: "In turn, since material discontinuities will be mainly located at random distances along a cable,then reversal of the cable will cause loss waves to react quite differently. First the discontinuity is unlikely to be approach-symetrical, and second, it will have been moved (recall the 19 octaves) simultaneously hundreds if not thousands of random wavelengths from the causal sending end, the amplifier. At this lvel cable reversal can be the audible equivilent to a slight twist of a kaleidoscope. Complex changes. Wow! But with so much detail to take in, it seems all to subtle." Which if true does still not explain why one direction would sound better than the other. Email me if you want a scan of the whole thing Warren PS HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM RON? This stuff should have drawn out some sort of response by now. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 24 22:11:53 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:11:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ben Duncan on Cable direction In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c14535$27343280$842587d9@a4s1s2> Warren You mean you actually UNDERSTAND that Duncan article? Put me down as "impressed" cos it's totally incomprehensible to me! (What language is Duncan writing in? Shhhhurley not Englishhhh?) Cheers Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 24 September 2001 20:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Ben Duncan on Cable direction As fo Ben Duncans column I was reading it the other day, and as usual for Duncan's columns he is very dense. (its in april 99) his conclusion: "In turn, since material discontinuities will be mainly located at random distances along a cable,then reversal of the cable will cause loss waves to react quite differently. First the discontinuity is unlikely to be approach-symetrical, and second, it will have been moved (recall the 19 octaves) simultaneously hundreds if not thousands of random wavelengths from the causal sending end, the amplifier. At this lvel cable reversal can be the audible equivilent to a slight twist of a kaleidoscope. Complex changes. Wow! But with so much detail to take in, it seems all to subtle." Which if true does still not explain why one direction would sound better than the other. Email me if you want a scan of the whole thing Warren PS HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM RON? This stuff should have drawn out some sort of response by now. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Sep 24 22:15:30 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:15:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable direction In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c14535$a8a73c40$842587d9@a4s1s2> This is the reply I got to my question regarding cable directionality from a hi fi interconnect maker and seller. As you'll see it doesn't actually answer the question of why some cables are directional, altho' it does offer an explanation (if I can believe it...) for directionality in coax' cables .... -Dear Graham, Thanks for your email. Here goes.. Twisted pair cables are usually screened, and the screen is attached at one end of the cable (the source end). So the cable is therefore directional because the end where the screen is attached should be at source. This makes the cable sound better .. you can try this out - you should notice a difference in sound quality when you attach the cable the wrong way round (ie the quality will deteriorate). Coax cables become directional with use (over time the molecules line themselves up in one direction). Most manufacturers show the direction of a cable with a little arrow printed on the cable jacket. If they don't the standard is to connect the cable in the direction of the writing on the cable jacket (with the script reading from the source, eg CD to the recipient eg amp). Best Regards Elaine Norman-Davis Hificables.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 25 02:01:28 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cable direction References: <000d01c14535$a8a73c40$842587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <017301c14555$3adbbae0$493442cf@sank1> I will just add that I have demonstrated many, many times that once a cable is used for a few dozen hours or more in one direction, it will sound in some way odd or even bad when installed in the other direction. However, over a few dozen more hours left that way, it will "re-break in" in the reversed direction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cable direction > This is the reply I got to my question regarding cable directionality from a > hi fi interconnect maker and seller. As you'll see it doesn't actually > answer the question of why some cables are directional, altho' it does offer > an explanation (if I can believe it...) for directionality in coax' cables > .... > > > -Dear Graham, > > Thanks for your email. Here goes.. > > Twisted pair cables are usually screened, and the screen is attached at one > end of the cable (the source end). So the cable is therefore directional > because the end where the screen is attached should be at source. This makes > the cable sound better .. you can try this out - you should notice a > difference in sound quality when you attach the cable the wrong way round > (ie the quality will deteriorate). > > Coax cables become directional with use (over time the molecules line > themselves up in one direction). > > Most manufacturers show the direction of a cable with a little arrow printed > on the cable jacket. If they don't the standard is to connect the cable in > the direction of the writing on the cable jacket (with the script reading > from the source, eg CD to the recipient eg amp). > > Best Regards > > Elaine Norman-Davis > Hificables.co.uk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 02:04:16 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:04:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. Message-ID: <131.20836da.28e12400@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275524102 Are they as good as this seller claims? As always, thank you in advance for you help. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sun Sep 23 17:41:02 2001 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:41:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. References: <131.20836da.28e12400@aol.com> Message-ID: <011501c14446$2753fe20$8306efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. No Sam they definitely are not. Kevin Rogers > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275524102 > > Are they as good as this seller claims? As always, thank you in advance for > you help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 02:49:13 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:49:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex... Message-ID: <37.1b53f361.28e12e89@aol.com> In a message dated 9/24/2001 7:46:27 PM Central Daylight Time, ktrogers at execulink.com writes: << No Sam they definitely are not. Kevin Rogers >> Thanks Kevin. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audio1 at goes.com Tue Sep 25 02:52:35 2001 From: audio1 at goes.com (Harrell) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:52:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ehh2811@yahoo.com Message-ID: <000801c1455c$5fe2ee60$e58bdfd0@default> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Sep 25 02:59:38 2001 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:59:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. References: <131.20836da.28e12400@aol.com> Message-ID: <002601c1455d$5a090460$63756acf@johnrotten> I think Stephen as a Vertex tale! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275524102 > > Are they as good as this seller claims? As always, thank you in advance for > you help. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 03:08:29 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:08:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ben Duncan on Cable direction References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c14495$80df0580$f1289bca@smarzuki> Hi Warren and all, Thank goodness the guy's OK. Ron just got back from a 3 week trip and will be writing again once he got things sorted out. Shhhhurrrley an interesting topic for him. But then again, maybe he went to a Cable Directionality Seminar. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Ben Duncan on Cable direction > > than the other. > Email me if you want a scan of the whole thing > Warren > PS HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM RON? This stuff should have drawn > out some sort of response by now. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 25 05:04:34 2001 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:04:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] This is a test - please ignore. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365A2F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thomas Siomopoulos NEC Australia P/L 635 Ferntree Gully Rd Mulgrave 3152 Ph (03) 9262 1369 Fax (03) 9262 1030 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 25 07:57:12 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:57:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. References: <131.20836da.28e12400@aol.com> <002601c1455d$5a090460$63756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <01f201c14586$ec8a37e0$493442cf@sank1> Yes, a while ago I related how Vertex is the ONLY tape I have ever seen & heard exhibit modulation noise, and really badly. The shell is apparently a magnificently bad bit of engineering. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell Vertex 90 mins. > I think Stephen as a Vertex tale! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Has anyone ever heard of these? Maxell > Vertex 90 mins. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275524102 > > > > Are they as good as this seller claims? As always, thank you in advance > for > > you help. > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 11:00:48 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:00:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes References: <000f01c1435b$f6b18ac0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Marc, Graham, Salim & all ! Thank you my friends to have been worried about me, I am still alive after +6 hours operation !!! For the instance, fever & inflation of my face cannot let me appreciate fully my hearing nor anything but when it is quite, it seems that I hear better due to my Eustachian trumps less compressed... upper maxillae have been moved forward.. What an extreme tweaking !!! Best regards, Matyas ;o) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Sep 25 13:40:54 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:54 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Stephen, I have an opportunity to buy a very nice looking 682ZX. All functions seem to work fine, EXCEPT one imperfection, namely, the deck is not able to fulfil the RH azimuth correction with almost ANY tape. With Type I it just fidgets softly. With Type II quiet crackle can be heard, very similar to that, when Dragon is unable to "tune into" a recording. With Type IV - here comes the strangest thing! - it crackles VERY loud and I have an impression, that it's NOT ONLY the RH-drive that crackles there! I can clearly hear something else making another kind of crackling noise, which mixes with that of the RH-gear. Now the problem is that the deck is sort of sealed by the seller, so the so-called "warranty" will be void if I remove any cover. Can you, having only the symptoms above, make an assumption as to what's the problem with it? Is it easy to cure or do I have to better refrain from purchasing the thing? Best Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Sep 25 13:46:01 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:16:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes Message-ID: <006b01c145b7$a6f21820$42d60192@vsnl> Wish you a fast recovery - but somehow I missed what really happened to you requiring 6+ hrs surgery ?- anyway hope you could recover fast to contribute your parts soon Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Matyas To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes >Marc, Graham, Salim & all ! >Thank you my friends to have been worried about me, I am still alive after >+6 hours operation !!! >For the instance, fever & inflation of my face cannot let me appreciate >fully my hearing nor anything but when it is quite, it seems that I hear >better due to my Eustachian trumps less compressed... upper maxillae have >been moved forward.. What an extreme tweaking !!! >Best regards, Matyas ;o) > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 14:31:56 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:31:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick! If the seller claim there is a "warranty" of which sort can it be ? ...as this deck is faulty actually !!! If I was you, I would give this guy instructions on what is the thing he is about to sell you... I know the 680ZX but not the '2, in this deck -680-, the azimuth motor is NOT linear driven as in Dragon. The 680ZX azimuth adjustment is stepped. It can be the cause of your disappointment about the thing...because it produces very light crackles (I would prefer the word: steps). I was disappointed when I saw this behaviour for the first time. I think that hardened grease on the slider adjuster melted with dust are good enough too amplify the motor effort...leading to real crackles. If I refer to what you describe, if the RH cannot be placed correctly, perhaps the RH azimuth screw is worn out. In this case, it is possible to re-correct by some turns on to compensate. All the way, it seems to be really easy to solve ;-) I don't know if the azimuth box can be destructed or can be out of meca' alignement easily. Best, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 15:16:57 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:16:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes References: <006b01c145b7$a6f21820$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001201c144fb$652fdc40$f1289bca@smarzuki> Stay away from that metal music for awhile .... :-) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes > Wish you a fast recovery - but somehow I missed what really happened to you > requiring 6+ hrs surgery ?- anyway hope you could recover fast to contribute > your parts soon > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 15:30:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:30:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> Hello Nick ! My 682 is still problematic in that it can't complete auto calibration, but the strangest thing is that recording is completely fine ! Good FR too. I'm sure I can do better if I have the serv manual. When I first got it, this 682 couldn't even start the calib process due to bad parts on oscillator & meter circuits. After replacing some caps on side board (switch pcb ?) it can go calibrate but never finishes (flashing 'fail' alarm). Remember that 682 has 2 (two) alignment motors inside - azimuth & level, so the extra clacking could come from level setting motor. I agree with Matyas that the problem should be a minor one, given the construction quality of old Naks. If you're lucky the all it takes is orange caps. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > Hi Nick! > If the seller claim there is a "warranty" of which sort can it be ? ...as > this deck is faulty actually !!! If I was you, I would give this guy > instructions on what is the thing he is about to sell you... > I know the 680ZX but not the '2, in this deck -680-, the azimuth motor is > NOT linear driven as in Dragon. The 680ZX azimuth adjustment is stepped. It > can be the cause of your disappointment about the thing...because it > produces very light crackles (I would prefer the word: steps). I was > disappointed when I saw this behaviour for the first time. I think that > hardened grease on the slider adjuster melted with dust are good enough too > amplify the motor effort...leading to real crackles. > If I refer to what you describe, if the RH cannot be placed correctly, > perhaps the RH azimuth screw is worn out. In this case, it is possible to > re-correct by some turns on to compensate. All the way, it seems to be > really easy to solve ;-) > > I don't know if the azimuth box can be destructed or can be out of meca' > alignement easily. > Best, Matyas > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Sep 25 16:29:33 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:29:33 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A3@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, buddies! Thanx for your input! Now some notes to it... 1. Matyas, Russia is somewhat very special country when it comes to "warranty" for used products :-) The "warranty" in this case means the following: the seller gives you on the security of money, say, a Nak in condition "as is" covered with safety stickers all over for sort of probation period (couple of days). You can play with it soever, but you can't open it! If you open it, you loose your money immediately - doesn't matter whether you want to keep it or not. The reason behind this is very simlple: many people do not care about the details of recording, calibrating and stuff. They just hook the deck upon their system, play a couple of tapes, test-record, say, on just Type II and that's it - the deal is done! Much later, when they by accident discover the deck being not able to tune into, say, metal tape, it's too late to make claims - sold means sold. 2. Exactly, Salim! Albeit the deck can't complete the calibration process, it records really fine! Good FR, good THD, good everything with all tapes. But this annoying crackle just makes me wild! 3. I think it's a very good point about the LEVEL motor! It's definitely HIM! I guess the deck is simply out of some REFERENCE (or basic) "level calibration"... Let's see what Stephen says. Take care, guys Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:31 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > Hello Nick ! > > My 682 is still problematic in that it can't complete auto calibration, > but > the strangest thing is that recording is completely fine ! Good FR too. > I'm sure I can do better if I have the serv manual. > > When I first got it, this 682 couldn't even start the calib process due to > bad parts on oscillator & meter circuits. After replacing some caps on > side > board (switch pcb ?) it can go calibrate but never finishes (flashing > 'fail' > alarm). > > Remember that 682 has 2 (two) alignment motors inside - azimuth & level, > so > the extra clacking could come from level setting motor. I agree with > Matyas > that the problem should be a minor one, given the construction quality of > old Naks. If you're lucky the all it takes is orange caps. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > Hi Nick! > > If the seller claim there is a "warranty" of which sort can it be ? > ...as > > this deck is faulty actually !!! If I was you, I would give this guy > > instructions on what is the thing he is about to sell you... > > I know the 680ZX but not the '2, in this deck -680-, the azimuth motor > is > > NOT linear driven as in Dragon. The 680ZX azimuth adjustment is stepped. > It > > can be the cause of your disappointment about the thing...because it > > produces very light crackles (I would prefer the word: steps). I was > > disappointed when I saw this behaviour for the first time. I think that > > hardened grease on the slider adjuster melted with dust are good enough > too > > amplify the motor effort...leading to real crackles. > > If I refer to what you describe, if the RH cannot be placed correctly, > > perhaps the RH azimuth screw is worn out. In this case, it is possible > to > > re-correct by some turns on to compensate. All the way, it seems to be > > really easy to solve ;-) > > > > I don't know if the azimuth box can be destructed or can be out of meca' > > alignement easily. > > Best, Matyas > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Sep 25 16:36:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT References: <001101c1438a$f9c268e0$e14f87d9@a4s1s2> <000601c142ce$f655d140$e2289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB0967E.16C9FD12@concentric.net> No need to worry, Salim, here's my response... Long answer: 'Normal' audio cables utilize a single shielded conductor. The conductor goes between the center pins of the two RCA Phono connectors and the shield goes between the two connector bodies. For this symmetrical configuration, it makes no difference which end of the cable goes to which component. A problem could arise with a 'normal' cable, when AC current is induced in the shield, for any of a multitude of reasons. Because the resistance of the shield isn't quite zero, this may produce a spurious AC voltage (mostly hum, but could be EMI as well) at the input of the receiving component, that ends up sitting on top of the audio signal. This is not common, but can happen in some extreme cases. One solution is to use a shielded dual lead cable, with one conductor connecting the inner pins of the RCA connectors and the other lead connecting the connector bodies. The shield is then connected to the connector body at one end only. With this configuration, no current is possible in the shield, since it is open at one end. Such asymmetrical cables are best connected with the shield side going to the driving component. They are usually marked with an arrow, the tail end of which is the shield side. Not surprisingly, they are referred to as 'directional'. Short answer: if you have no hum or spurious noise problems (which is the general case), directional cables will do nothing for you, except make you feel warm and fuzzy (not to mention, lighter at the wallet). OTOH, if you do have hum or spurious noise problems (especially when interconnects are on the long side, a component power input circuitry is faulty, line power is of low quality or the environment very noisy), then directional interconnects may (but by no means guarantied to) solve the problem. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > If Ron doesn't reply to this, I'm really worried ! > > Sorry Graham, can't comment as I can't even hear the difference between 1+ > cm diameter Cardas and average 'normal-thick' speaker cables. My > expectation drove me to hear better things on Cardas ... but when I > "reversed" my will, the regular one sounded better (tough but do-able). > Definitely won't be able to hear different cable direction ! > > Anyways I'm a "neutral", in between megabucks-snakecable and > all-amps-sound-equal camps. How convenient. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 12:21 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Cable Direction .... OT > > > Could someone explain to me - in layman's language - why some > interconnects > > are directional? I had been very sceptical about this issue of direction > > but, having just made myself some cable (solid copper core bell wire > > twisted) I find that, if I plug in the interconnect one direction it > sounds > > dreadful but it Swap it round it sounds very good. I can't believe my > ears > > (or in my case, ear!) > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Sep 25 16:55:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:55:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Routing the Stereo Component Wires References: <000f01c143d3$b934f2e0$7d899a40@compaq> Message-ID: <3BB09AC7.4A644035@concentric.net> > bigbear69 wrote: > > I have a great stereo cabinet in where I'm going to > rearrange all six components and reconfigure the AC wiring > and the component connect cables. There is a 14" X 40" X > 2" door compartment on the back of the stereo cabinet > where I can configure all the wires and cables. I built > this myself to keep everything dust free and to arrange > the AC wires and cables accordingly. I want to configure > the wires and cables so that I may not have any > interference hum noise. I believe the best thing to do is > to mix the AC wires and component connect cables across > the panel than to have all the AC lines on one side and > all the component connect cables on the other side. Am I > using the right approach? I think you are. If signal interconnects are custom made, it is best to route them all to one side of the cabinet, then up or down, then back to the other component. Once all are in place, they should be tied together, as in a harness. This all but eliminates ground loop issues. Power lines should be kept all together on the other side. In most components, line cord is on the left (front view) making this easy. In my case, I built a power distribution system on the left rear side of the cabinet. It's fully shielded and includes such niceties as filtering, surge eliminators and dual delay circuits for stagger switching the power amps. Excess length of each power cord is coiled and tied tightly -- this reduces hum and noise radiation. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Sep 25 17:29:19 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:29:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? References: <000701c1442e$81568540$9ce6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB0A2CF.974624F6@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Stephen said: "Now, what is really stupid is paying any money for a product > that is no > better than coffee mugs or blocks of foam, as the only factor involved, > theoretically, is distance." > > This reminds me of the "Flux Dumper" bricks, which are solid steel encased > in wood. It is said that, if you place one of these bricks on top of an > amplified, or any piece of equipment it "improves" (for that read "changes") > the sound of the hi fi. I think these things sell for something like £50 a > go .... Now, putting aside for a moment if they actually do affect > anything, it doesn't take much imagination to work out that, if the thing is > mainly steal then a bag of nails, bought at the local hardware store for a > £1 is likely to have the same "effect". > > I did experiment with a bag of nails .... yeah, sad sonofabitch, ain't I! - > and my conclusions were ... If you place a heavy back of nails a top a Quad > 405 power amp it can ruin or improve the sound from the amplifier. By > improve, I mean offer greater clarity and space to the music coming out of > it. By ruin I mean make the sound muddy. If the bag of nails was placed > over the top of some critical components it seemed to divert the > transformer's magnetic field into that direction; I suppose that had the > detrimental effect. Otherwise, if you placed the bag of nails above the > transformer, it seemed to focus the magnetic field in the direction if the > bag of nails, apparently diverting it from taking a wider field that might > affect other components. Now, one of you engineers is probably gonna tell > me I've imagined the whole thing and that the theory is the biggest load of > old tosh you ever heard! > > Graham Graham, you've imagined the whole thing and the theory is the biggest load of old tosh we ever heard! :-) :-) :-). Seriously, though: transformers are designed to minimize external magnetic fields. Other audio components have near zero magnetic fields to start with. Those that do, would be very poorly designed if the engineer did not take care of that issue. Bottom line: your theory would only hold for the simplest, cheapest products (which, I assume, is not the case here). That said, I wonder if your listening tests were blind -- meaning, if you knew where (or indeed, if) the bag of nails was placed by someone else. If not, I suspect repeating them blind would be illuminating. If a *blind* listening test indicates that the bag of nails makes a sonic difference, scientific method would suggest the test should be repeated with a 1 lb bag of sand. Of course, all the above is one agnostic's opinions. I am sure both Believers and Atheists will disagree... Regards, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:09:15 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:09:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes References: <006b01c145b7$a6f21820$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" > Wish you a fast recovery - but somehow I missed what really happened to you > requiring 6+ hrs surgery ? ...My birth !!! was giving me 'vampire teeth' that was going on the insisives and it was no place for them, so we needed to remove the pre-mollars to allows them to descend in this place, and by closing this gap, that leaded to retract my upper maxillae(upper jaw bone). It was also given to me to have the lower jaw bone too forward...so the upper had been move forward, and the lower retractced. ...all this would not have arrived if I had used to suck my thumb during my youth ! - anyway hope you could recover fast to contribute > your parts soon > Kannan Thank you Kannan ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:11:23 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:11:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: With all the due respect Salim, what do you said ? Two adjustment motors ??? Are you really sure ? It is VERY strange! auto meca level is too complex, expensive & useless to be built ! But who knows, Nakland is full of strange animals... Best, Matyas :-) > Remember that 682 has 2 (two) alignment motors inside - azimuth & level, so > the extra clacking could come from level setting motor. I agree with Matyas > that the problem should be a minor one, given the construction quality of > old Naks. If you're lucky the all it takes is orange caps. > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:27:27 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:27:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Message-ID: Nakamichi Story 1973-1994 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276079111 This demagnetizer is just like the Nakamichi DM-10 Just does not say nakamichi on it most likely is made by the same company. So why pay for a name when this unit will do the same job?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1277875302 10$ Dragon CD for the eyes.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1278465303 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 25 19:02:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:02:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable direction In-Reply-To: <017301c14555$3adbbae0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c145e3$ea132320$863187d9@a4s1s2> This is interesting because the perceptible directional difference I thought I heard with the cable I've made up was obtained 2nd-hand and had been used for another purpose. So, perhaps when the cable was one way and making the music sound muddy I had placed in the opposite direction who which it had been used in its previous life (i.e. not as a hi fi interconnect.) Well, as theories go .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 25 September 2001 01:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cable direction I will just add that I have demonstrated many, many times that once a cable is used for a few dozen hours or more in one direction, it will sound in some way odd or even bad when installed in the other direction. However, over a few dozen more hours left that way, it will "re-break in" in the reversed direction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 25 19:07:42 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:07:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c145e4$96d53620$863187d9@a4s1s2> Matyas Ah! You can't hear properly? Then you won't be needing those Nak's then?!!! ;o) Keep smiling, mate - as far as a swollen face will let you!!! Best, Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Matyas Sent: 25 September 2001 10:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes Marc, Graham, Salim & all ! Thank you my friends to have been worried about me, I am still alive after +6 hours operation !!! For the instance, fever & inflation of my face cannot let me appreciate fully my hearing nor anything but when it is quite, it seems that I hear better due to my Eustachian trumps less compressed... upper maxillae have been moved forward.. What an extreme tweaking !!! Best regards, Matyas ;o) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Seriously, though: transformers are designed to minimize external magnetic fields. Other audio components have near zero magnetic fields to start with. Those that do, would be very poorly designed if the engineer did not take care of that issue. Bottom line: your theory would only hold for the simplest, cheapest products (which, I assume, is not the case here). That said, I wonder if your listening tests were blind -- meaning, if you knew where (or indeed, if) the bag of nails was placed by someone else. If not, I suspect repeating them blind would be illuminating. If a *blind* listening test indicates that the bag of nails makes a sonic difference, scientific method would suggest the test should be repeated with a 1 lb bag of sand. Of course, all the above is one agnostic's opinions. I am sure both Believers and Atheists will disagree... Regards, -- Ron ROFLOL!!!! Yeah ... well, I'm easily hypnotised!!! Says a lot, don't it!!! {;o[) Cheers mate! Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 25 19:20:10 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:20:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Matyas - Best wishes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c145e6$54a0bf20$863187d9@a4s1s2> Matyas That was a little too much information - you just put me off my supper! ;o) Graham - > Wish you a fast recovery - but somehow I missed what really happened to you > requiring 6+ hrs surgery ? ...My birth !!! was giving me 'vampire teeth' that was going on the insisives and it was no place for them, so we needed to remove the pre-mollars to allows them to descend in this place, and by closing this gap, that leaded to retract my upper maxillae(upper jaw bone). It was also given to me to have the lower jaw bone too forward...so the upper had been move forward, and the lower retractced. ...all this would not have arrived if I had used to suck my thumb during my youth ! - anyway hope you could recover fast to contribute > your parts soon > Kannan Thank you Kannan ! Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Sep 25 21:19:13 2001 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:19:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? References: <000701c1442e$81568540$9ce6193e@a4s1s2> <3BB0A2CF.974624F6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004b01c145f6$f6d65ec0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> In light of my audio systems generally poor state of physical condition, I have decided to not use cable elevators, instead forcing the cables to use the stairs......(LOL.....) been trying to restrain myself, but my workload has left me too tired to be reasonable... erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 19:16:07 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:16:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully improving, better than normal bi-wiring !!! I have never read nor heard about this... the results you can obtain with may be revealing in cable mysteries, or at least are so audible that no one can doubt of the effect you get with ... and I tell about effect...it has also artefacts. There is the story, too strange to rest secret...and this is no snake oil. It consist just to add to your amplifier a second pair of wire, which can or not (floating) to be hooked to the loudspeakers. In theory (for the floating), what you do is just to add a capacitor in parallel to the amp output(in series with wire self induction), It would reduce the HF performance...AND NOT !!! I am messed up !!! The effect is acting as a compensation, all is well more aired and wider !!! An other very interesting point is that if you use your best cable for the speaker wiring and the lesser for the floating, you get the same sonic results on transparency & imaging as if you have done the contrary (understand: improved the same way in both case) !!!!...the only little change is perhaps in the bass control. (comprehensible) I found the melting of cable sonic properties in normal biwiring being quite synthetical, as an addition of the defaults of both cables, and with the floating, a purgation from any cable born colour ... do this make any sense to you audiophile friend ??? The only bad thing is that (at least in my configuration) the floating biwiring have a tendency to compress a bit the whole thing.... I tried the thing with these both cable: KimberKable 4VS and Dynamic cable Australian SCVC-2S. Amplifier: ReVox B-150 Loudspeakers: Jean Maurer JM-325C PS: Does anyone knows the brand "Dynamic Cable Australian" , mine is blue, two solid conductors, look like a power chord ... ? Best regards, Matyas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Sep 25 19:29:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:29:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> --- Marc Stager wrote: > From AP report: > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > "God is Great" and handing out candy. A couple of nights later I happened to attend a concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This being the week of the Jewish new year, there was the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. The singer (American raised) said that his wish was to have been able to save, even if only one, of the victims. This was greeted by the audience with a huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, several a day -- all aimed at killing as many civilians, women and children as possible. The people in the audience could relate). The contrast between the Arab and Israeli sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her regrets (even though she did find words to explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, she said -- get this -- that the video was 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Tue Sep 25 19:32:42 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:32:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully improving, better than normal bi-wiring !!! >> I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, and it seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for it, but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say that at normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound quality, I like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and mid-woof/tweeter sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think that double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the woofer would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that they felt that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose coherence if they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford Krell or Boulder! Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of all places... Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 19:44:42 2001 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators - Do they really work? In-Reply-To: <004b01c145f6$f6d65ec0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: Hmmm....with all this limp cable talk...I would think some Viagra could do the trick. Alex > In light of my audio systems generally poor state > of physical condition, I have decided to not use > cable elevators, instead forcing the cables to > use the stairs......(LOL.....) > > > been trying to restrain myself, but my workload > has left me too tired to be reasonable... > > > erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 19:52:13 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:52:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001c01c14521$d9513620$ea289bca@smarzuki> Ugh ! Imagine when I heard about ZXL's ABLE ... I thought there would be 4 additional motors inside !! Yes it IS really strange, but that was pre-ZXL days, therefore Nak put triumphirant use of its azimuth motor for 682zx level setting. This one's without stainless wire though, only to drive some sort of potentiometer as fine level setting. Nick, you are right, one slight twist of 'reference' pot level brought the whole thing clack-clack-clack exactly like misaligned dragon. If it records fine (and the price is too tempting :-) then I would go for it, as the motor noise could easily be eliminated by trimming that reference pot to get motor back to its center setting. But yes, let's hear it from our Guru. Good luck ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > With all the due respect Salim, what do you said ? > Two adjustment motors ??? Are you really sure ? > It is VERY strange! auto meca level is too complex, expensive & useless to > be built ! But who knows, Nakland is full of strange animals... Best, Matyas > :-) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 20:04:09 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:04:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > the camera. > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > an issue. > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > for it. > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > show images such as those. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > From AP report: > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > civilians, women and children as possible. The > people in the audience could relate). > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > regrets (even though she did find words to > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > she said -- get this -- that the video was > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Tue Sep 25 20:13:19 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:13:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay References: Message-ID: <003601c145ed$c22d5100$1e8c55c3@amd> WOOOOOOOOOOOW What's that ! never heard about a Dragon cd player but it looks good Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Matyas To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] eBay > Nakamichi Story 1973-1994 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276079111 > > This demagnetizer is just like the Nakamichi DM-10 Just does not say > nakamichi on it most likely is made by the same company. So why pay for a > name when this unit will do the same job?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1277875302 10$ > > Dragon CD for the eyes.... > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1278465303 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Sep 25 20:26:26 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:26:26 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, >My 682 is still problematic in that it can't complete auto calibration, but >the strangest thing is that recording is completely fine ! Good FR too. >I'm sure I can do better if I have the serv manual. There is a service manual for 680ZX, which has absolutely the same calibration method. Please proceed calibration step-by-step and you will have all the problems solved. I did it with 680 with the great result. However, I absolutely sure that one without service manual will be unable to adjust deck properly - some tricky points involved. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Sep 24 20:48:31 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:48:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004401c14529$82b8a840$ea289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Misha, I did try to align the deck using 680zx manual, and will recheck eveyrthing soon. I feel this is more like a logic fault between auto az and auto level settings as the two motors can't finish 'negotiating', always went back and forth around one small area. However, azimuth already spot on and level already 0db source / tape. :-( The only thing left unchecked from manual are bias freq, bias traps and peaking ... wow ain't that a lot and probably bias is the key to this problem. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > Hi Salim, > > There is a service manual for 680ZX, which has absolutely the same > calibration method. Please proceed calibration step-by-step and you > will have all the problems solved. I did it with 680 with the great result. > However, I absolutely sure that one without service manual will be unable > to adjust deck properly - some tricky points involved. > > Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Sep 25 20:48:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:48:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> Anything is possible, but I wonder... First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one certainly won't. Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, after Sky forced their hands. Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan implied that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their cause) which is what the video is showing. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > an issue. > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > for it. > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > From AP report: > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Tue Sep 25 21:45:35 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:45:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001a01c145fa$a63f6e80$7a8855c3@amd> Yes also in the Netherlands we have seen dancing people with ower own reporter facing it. I would that it was not true Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > certainly won't. > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > after Sky forced their hands. > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > implied > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 25 22:18:55 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:18:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damn those terrorists and why I listen to music: OT In-Reply-To: <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001d01c145ff$4d1ce1c0$863187d9@a4s1s2> Salim's note: That's interesting. True or not true, I suppose we must all be alert to the reality that ALL governments are predisposed towards false propaganda during times of crisis and there will be many a tall tale invented. One British newspaper has already been spreading stories about how Bin Laden is a womaniser and a drunk! Yeah - of course he is! He also eats children and puppy dogs for breakfast, has horns growing from his head and his boots hide cloven feet. (Wouldn't use that line about womanising in the US, I suppose - being a ladies man seems to win some people votes, eh Bill?!) The problem we have is in telling the lies from the truth. I am reminded of an English 1920's-1930's encyclopaedia that my Mum has, wherein it describes how the wicked Hun used gas against the poor British Tommy's in World War I. What it fails to say is that we Brits attacked the Germans first with mustard gas but it blew back on us! Indeed, what it also fails to say is that most of the Brits gassed at Verdun (I think it was) were harmed by our own gas, not that of the Germans. Apparently, we stock-piled a huge number of canisters just behind the front lines and in easy range of German guns ...ooops! What is also doesn't say is that we sent all those canisters of gas to the front but failed to send the right spanners to undo the valves to release the gas! But never mind - a few Jerry shells did that anyway... Indeed, this country of fair play and cricket doesn't like to admit that the terrorists who were caught red-handed during the Iranian Embassy Siege in London were all (but one) executed on the spot if they weren't already killed when the SAS stormed the building. There were numerous witnesses to this but their reports very quickly received no air time, just as happened to the story of how the soldiers wanted to take the one terrorist who was captured (by the Police) back inside the building ... but the Metropolitan Police who are more used to democratic justice than lynch mobs, esp. as the UK Parliament had already abolished capital punishment, refused to hand him over to the troops. And is it just the UK? Well, ask yourselves what ever happened to the public interest story about the fate of the US "mercenary" soldiers who fought with the Argentineans against the Brits in the Falklands campaign? They were an embarrassment to both our Governments so little air time has been given to what happened to them when they were captured. Oh yeah! And there was a TV programme on the other day that showed some curiously odd photos taken during the Moon landing. For example, two of them were supposed to have been taken on different parts of the Moon but both showed the same backdrop ... only one of them had the Lunar module in the picture and the other one didn't... Call me an old cynic but, IMHO there are no good guys in politics. Just some are worse than others. To bring this back to topic, that's why I prefer listening to music (esp. on my Naks!) than listening to the BBC, ITN, CNN... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 September 2001 19:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > the camera. > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > an issue. > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > for it. > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > show images such as those. > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 22:44:56 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:44:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis revolves around the Israel issue. Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy that has alienated 99% of the population in the region for the sake of Israel. Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European descent the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a continuation of European colonialism via the United States. It's funny in that the US has always been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues everywhere else around the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to break down. The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the networks including CNN. The analysts all seem to have the same position on the issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a negative context while the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy was speaking to a psychophantic congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons between the US and Israel and pointed out how the the reaction of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their expense! I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the US govt and media and Israel. Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. The question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel before deciding to resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real rather than imagined. See Ya Javier Ron wrote: > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > certainly won't. > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > after Sky forced their hands. > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > implied > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 00:25:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:25:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > revolves around the Israel issue. Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > for the sake of Israel. Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > descent ... Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% are Israeli born. > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > It's funny in that the US has always > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > everywhere else around > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > break down. > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing Americans? > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > networks including CNN. Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > negative context while > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. It was very well represented. > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > between the US and Israel... Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > expense! > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > US govt and media and Israel. > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason than that they are Americans. You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of principle, along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably his own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. >... before deciding to > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > rather than imagined. It better be settled before that. By than, it will be too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious personal bias doesn't cut it. -- Ron > See Ya > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > certainly won't. > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > implied > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 26 01:42:17 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:42:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A3@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <031001c1461b$b71d5a20$493442cf@sank1> Without further specifics on the problem from the inside of the deck, I'm quite in agreement with the other guys. Could be simply improper calibration, bad orange caps, binding grease on the azimuth or rec level gearbox worm drive, or any combination of these things. Probably won't be difficult to get working right. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX > Hi, buddies! > > Thanx for your input! Now some notes to it... > > 1. Matyas, Russia is somewhat very special country when it comes to > "warranty" for used products :-) The "warranty" in this case means the > following: the seller gives you on the security of money, say, a Nak in > condition "as is" covered with safety stickers all over for sort of > probation period (couple of days). You can play with it soever, but you > can't open it! If you open it, you loose your money immediately - doesn't > matter whether you want to keep it or not. The reason behind this is very > simlple: many people do not care about the details of recording, calibrating > and stuff. They just hook the deck upon their system, play a couple of > tapes, test-record, say, on just Type II and that's it - the deal is done! > Much later, when they by accident discover the deck being not able to tune > into, say, metal tape, it's too late to make claims - sold means sold. > > 2. Exactly, Salim! Albeit the deck can't complete the calibration process, > it records really fine! Good FR, good THD, good everything with all tapes. > But this annoying crackle just makes me wild! > > 3. I think it's a very good point about the LEVEL motor! It's definitely > HIM! I guess the deck is simply out of some REFERENCE (or basic) "level > calibration"... > > Let's see what Stephen says. > > Take care, guys > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:31 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > > > Hello Nick ! > > > > My 682 is still problematic in that it can't complete auto calibration, > > but > > the strangest thing is that recording is completely fine ! Good FR too. > > I'm sure I can do better if I have the serv manual. > > > > When I first got it, this 682 couldn't even start the calib process due to > > bad parts on oscillator & meter circuits. After replacing some caps on > > side > > board (switch pcb ?) it can go calibrate but never finishes (flashing > > 'fail' > > alarm). > > > > Remember that 682 has 2 (two) alignment motors inside - azimuth & level, > > so > > the extra clacking could come from level setting motor. I agree with > > Matyas > > that the problem should be a minor one, given the construction quality of > > old Naks. If you're lucky the all it takes is orange caps. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matyas" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > > > > Hi Nick! > > > If the seller claim there is a "warranty" of which sort can it be ? > > ...as > > > this deck is faulty actually !!! If I was you, I would give this guy > > > instructions on what is the thing he is about to sell you... > > > I know the 680ZX but not the '2, in this deck -680-, the azimuth motor > > is > > > NOT linear driven as in Dragon. The 680ZX azimuth adjustment is stepped. > > It > > > can be the cause of your disappointment about the thing...because it > > > produces very light crackles (I would prefer the word: steps). I was > > > disappointed when I saw this behaviour for the first time. I think that > > > hardened grease on the slider adjuster melted with dust are good enough > > too > > > amplify the motor effort...leading to real crackles. > > > If I refer to what you describe, if the RH cannot be placed correctly, > > > perhaps the RH azimuth screw is worn out. In this case, it is possible > > to > > > re-correct by some turns on to compensate. All the way, it seems to be > > > really easy to solve ;-) > > > > > > I don't know if the azimuth box can be destructed or can be out of meca' > > > alignement easily. > > > Best, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 26 01:46:17 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:46:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> Ok lets see where should I start The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. They are non-Arabs who hate America. They are also FUNdaMENTALists They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base outside the region! The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait but what attacked for it to his profound shock and dismay :( Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest instincts of the American populace. Previously I believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either directly from Europe or indirectly from other parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews who have a natural right as semites to live there. Have you ever been to Jersey? It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there then someone should point out to U.S. planners that It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide if it was an Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before 1865 When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name of Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the Nation state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention IE: God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was manufactured through human methods and is an affront to God. As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear capability with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. scenario and modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab Israelis will be encouraged to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a religious theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. Ron your gonna love Jersey Javier Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > for the sake of Israel. > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > descent ... > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > are Israeli born. > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > It's funny in that the US has always > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > everywhere else around > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > break down. > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > Americans? > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > networks including CNN. > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > negative context while > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > It was very well represented. > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > between the US and Israel... > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > expense! > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > US govt and media and Israel. > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > than that they are Americans. > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > principle, > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > his > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > >... before deciding to > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > rather than imagined. > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > -- Ron > > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > implied > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Sep 26 01:55:32 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:55:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c1461d$92d7d9e0$13031fac@brianm> This thread is wearing old!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > Ok lets see where should I start > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > They are also FUNdaMENTALists > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > outside the region! > > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > and dismay :( > > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > instincts of the American populace. Previously I > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. > > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews > who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > Have you ever been to Jersey? > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. > > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > if it was an > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. > > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > 1865 > > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? > > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > of > Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > Nation > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > IE: > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > manufactured > through human methods and is an affront to God. > > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > capability > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > scenario and > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab > Israelis will be encouraged > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > religious > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. > > Ron your gonna love Jersey > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > descent ... > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > are Israeli born. > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > everywhere else around > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > break down. > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > Americans? > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > networks including CNN. > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > negative context while > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > It was very well represented. > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > expense! > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > than that they are Americans. > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > principle, > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > his > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > >... before deciding to > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > rather than imagined. > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > implied > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 26 07:15:46 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:15:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c1464a$4cb77420$30f53fd0@oemcomputer> Javier while I can put up with your comments on turntables and the like could you do us all a favor and maybe read some history. You could start with why bin laden is in Afghanistan to begin with. and then maybe figure out that he's more concerned with American soldiers in Saudi Arabia than he is about the fate of the Palestinians. While your at it maybe you could look into the Arab/ Israeli war of 1967. As far as Israel becoming a theme park you must be smoking something real good. Oh and you do know that the Israeli's *have* nuclear weapons and have had them for a long time Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > Ok lets see where should I start > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > They are also FUNdaMENTALists > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > outside the region! > > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > and dismay :( > > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > instincts of the American populace. Previously I > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. > > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews > who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > Have you ever been to Jersey? > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. > > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > if it was an > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. > > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > 1865 > > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? > > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > of > Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > Nation > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > IE: > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > manufactured > through human methods and is an affront to God. > > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > capability > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > scenario and > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab > Israelis will be encouraged > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > religious > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. > > Ron your gonna love Jersey > > Javier > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > descent ... > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > are Israeli born. > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > everywhere else around > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > break down. > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > Americans? > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > networks including CNN. > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > negative context while > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > It was very well represented. > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > expense! > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > than that they are Americans. > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > principle, > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > his > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > >... before deciding to > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > rather than imagined. > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > implied > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 10:00:36 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:00:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A2@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <001901c144fd$1aec6840$f1289bca@smarzuki> <001c01c14521$d9513620$ea289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Oh ! Understood ! I thought about an hypothetic Auto Rec head Height adjustment... The auto rec level is a good idea via motorized pots...for transparency. Thanks for the details !!! Best regards & congratulations for your 1000ZXL, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" > > Ugh ! Imagine when I heard about ZXL's ABLE ... I thought there would be 4 > additional motors inside !! Yes it IS really strange, but that was pre-ZXL > days, therefore Nak put triumphirant use of its azimuth motor for 682zx > level setting. This one's without stainless wire though, only to drive some > sort of potentiometer as fine level setting. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Sep 26 12:13:40 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:13:40 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A5@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Thanx a lot guys! I'll buy the crackling bitch! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > Without further specifics on the problem from the inside of the deck, I'm > quite in agreement with the other guys. Could be simply improper > calibration, bad orange caps, binding grease on the azimuth or rec level > gearbox worm drive, or any combination of these things. Probably won't be > difficult to get working right. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:29 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > Hi, buddies! > > > > Thanx for your input! Now some notes to it... > > > > 1. Matyas, Russia is somewhat very special country when it comes to > > "warranty" for used products :-) The "warranty" in this case means the > > following: the seller gives you on the security of money, say, a Nak in > > condition "as is" covered with safety stickers all over for sort of > > probation period (couple of days). You can play with it soever, but you > > can't open it! If you open it, you loose your money immediately - > doesn't > > matter whether you want to keep it or not. The reason behind this is > very > > simlple: many people do not care about the details of recording, > calibrating > > and stuff. They just hook the deck upon their system, play a couple of > > tapes, test-record, say, on just Type II and that's it - the deal is > done! > > Much later, when they by accident discover the deck being not able to > tune > > into, say, metal tape, it's too late to make claims - sold means sold. > > > > 2. Exactly, Salim! Albeit the deck can't complete the calibration > process, > > it records really fine! Good FR, good THD, good everything with all > tapes. > > But this annoying crackle just makes me wild! > > > > 3. I think it's a very good point about the LEVEL motor! It's definitely > > HIM! I guess the deck is simply out of some REFERENCE (or basic) "level > > calibration"... > > > > Let's see what Stephen says. > > > > Take care, guys > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:31 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > > > > > > Hello Nick ! > > > > > > My 682 is still problematic in that it can't complete auto > calibration, > > > but > > > the strangest thing is that recording is completely fine ! Good FR > too. > > > I'm sure I can do better if I have the serv manual. > > > > > > When I first got it, this 682 couldn't even start the calib process > due > to > > > bad parts on oscillator & meter circuits. After replacing some caps > on > > > side > > > board (switch pcb ?) it can go calibrate but never finishes (flashing > > > 'fail' > > > alarm). > > > > > > Remember that 682 has 2 (two) alignment motors inside - azimuth & > level, > > > so > > > the extra clacking could come from level setting motor. I agree with > > > Matyas > > > that the problem should be a minor one, given the construction quality > of > > > old Naks. If you're lucky the all it takes is orange caps. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matyas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nick! > > > > If the seller claim there is a "warranty" of which sort can it be ? > > > ...as > > > > this deck is faulty actually !!! If I was you, I would give this guy > > > > instructions on what is the thing he is about to sell you... > > > > I know the 680ZX but not the '2, in this deck -680-, the azimuth > motor > > > is > > > > NOT linear driven as in Dragon. The 680ZX azimuth adjustment is > stepped. > > > It > > > > can be the cause of your disappointment about the thing...because it > > > > produces very light crackles (I would prefer the word: steps). I was > > > > disappointed when I saw this behaviour for the first time. I think > that > > > > hardened grease on the slider adjuster melted with dust are good > enough > > > too > > > > amplify the motor effort...leading to real crackles. > > > > If I refer to what you describe, if the RH cannot be placed > correctly, > > > > perhaps the RH azimuth screw is worn out. In this case, it is > possible > > > to > > > > re-correct by some turns on to compensate. All the way, it seems to > be > > > > really easy to solve ;-) > > > > > > > > I don't know if the azimuth box can be destructed or can be out of > meca' > > > > alignement easily. > > > > Best, Matyas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 26 12:29:46 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:29:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> <00bb01c1464a$4cb77420$30f53fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BB1AE1A.A12FE74@yahoo.com> Ok Warren Why are those soldiers in Saudi Arabia? Because Iraq was challenging over regional leadership. When did Iraq decide it had to assert itself in the region? It was around 1982 when Israel hit their reactor. As for 67 and 73 for that matter Israel was able to beat off those attacks because because they had a clear commitment from the U.S. and there was the spectre of massive U.S. intervention in the region looming over the Arabs. The Soviets on the other hand were unwilling to comit anything by comparison. As for Israeli nukes The Arabs may accept M.A.D. with the U.S. someday but will never do so with Israel. You might want to read some books yourself. Javier Warren wrote: > > Javier > while I can put up with your comments on turntables and the like > could you do us all a favor and maybe read some history. > You could start with why bin laden is in Afghanistan to begin with. > and then maybe figure out that he's more concerned with American > soldiers in Saudi Arabia than he is about the fate of the Palestinians. > While your at it maybe you could look into the Arab/ Israeli war > of 1967. As far as Israel becoming a theme park you must be smoking > something > real good. > Oh and you do know that the Israeli's *have* nuclear weapons and have > had them for a long time > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > Ok lets see where should I start > > > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > > They are also FUNdaMENTALists > > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > > outside the region! > > > > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > > > > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > > and dismay :( > > > > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > > instincts of the American populace. Previously I > > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. > > > > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > > parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews > > who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > > > Have you ever been to Jersey? > > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. > > > > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > > if it was an > > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. > > > > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > > 1865 > > > > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? > > > > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > > of > > Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > > Nation > > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > > IE: > > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > > manufactured > > through human methods and is an affront to God. > > > > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > > capability > > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > > scenario and > > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab > > Israelis will be encouraged > > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > > religious > > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. > > > > Ron your gonna love Jersey > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > > descent ... > > > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > > are Israeli born. > > > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > > everywhere else around > > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > > break down. > > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > > Americans? > > > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > > networks including CNN. > > > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > > negative context while > > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > > It was very well represented. > > > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > > expense! > > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange > is > > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > > than that they are Americans. > > > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > > principle, > > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > > his > > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > > > >... before deciding to > > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > > rather than imagined. > > > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > > implied > > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the > story: > > > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... > do people > > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 25 14:11:10 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:11:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT References: <001d01c145ff$4d1ce1c0$863187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000f01c145bb$4b206660$eb289bca@smarzuki> Hello Graham, Completely agree with you !!! Most of the times we are simply victims of politics (and sometimes big businesses !). It's an insult to our intelligence but worked real charm to average fanatics on the streets. Those 'good guys' of politics need to be brainwashed inside a room with "Imagine" playing nonstop 24 hrs - on a Nak 505, to bring this on topic. Peace, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damn those terrorists and why I listen to music: OT > Salim's note: > > That's interesting. True or not true, I suppose we must all be alert to the > reality that ALL governments are predisposed towards false propaganda during > times of crisis and there will be many a tall tale invented. One British > newspaper has already been spreading stories about how Bin Laden is a > womaniser and a drunk! Yeah - of course he is! He also eats children and > puppy dogs for breakfast, has horns growing from his head and his boots hide > cloven feet. (Wouldn't use that line about womanising in the US, I suppose - > being a ladies man seems to win some people votes, eh Bill?!) The problem > we have is in telling the lies from the truth. I am reminded of an English > 1920's-1930's encyclopaedia that my Mum has, wherein it describes how the > wicked Hun used gas against the poor British Tommy's in World War I. What > it fails to say is that we Brits attacked the Germans first with mustard gas > but it blew back on us! Indeed, what it also fails to say is that most of > the Brits gassed at Verdun (I think it was) were harmed by our own gas, not > that of the Germans. Apparently, we stock-piled a huge number of canisters > just behind the front lines and in easy range of German guns ...ooops! What > is also doesn't say is that we sent all those canisters of gas to the front > but failed to send the right spanners to undo the valves to release the gas! > But never mind - a few Jerry shells did that anyway... > > Indeed, this country of fair play and cricket doesn't like to admit that the > terrorists who were caught red-handed during the Iranian Embassy Siege in > London were all (but one) executed on the spot if they weren't already > killed when the SAS stormed the building. There were numerous witnesses to > this but their reports very quickly received no air time, just as happened > to the story of how the soldiers wanted to take the one terrorist who was > captured (by the Police) back inside the building ... but the Metropolitan > Police who are more used to democratic justice than lynch mobs, esp. as the > UK Parliament had already abolished capital punishment, refused to hand him > over to the troops. > > And is it just the UK? Well, ask yourselves what ever happened to the > public interest story about the fate of the US "mercenary" soldiers who > fought with the Argentineans against the Brits in the Falklands campaign? > They were an embarrassment to both our Governments so little air time has > been given to what happened to them when they were captured. > > Oh yeah! And there was a TV programme on the other day that showed some > curiously odd photos taken during the Moon landing. For example, two of > them were supposed to have been taken on different parts of the Moon but > both showed the same backdrop ... only one of them had the Lunar module in > the picture and the other one didn't... > > Call me an old cynic but, IMHO there are no good guys in politics. Just > some are worse than others. To bring this back to topic, that's why I > prefer listening to music (esp. on my Naks!) than listening to the BBC, ITN, > CNN... > > Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 24 September 2001 19:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > an issue. > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > for it. > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Wed Sep 26 17:06:09 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:06:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57A5@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hey Nick ! Let us know your first feelings while you will peel off those numerous stickers ! I guess it will be beyond delight, lucky you !!! Matyas ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" > Thanx a lot guys! I'll buy the crackling bitch! > > Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 17:43:15 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:43:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB1F793.16B98127@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Ok lets see where should I start > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > They are also FUNdaMENTALists Well, they are Muslim fundamentalist Arabs that hate America. > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > outside the region! That second group doesn't exist yet. Please don't put any ideas into their heads. > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > and dismay :( This is so funny even Sadam would laugh. > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > instincts of the American populace. Why shouldn't he? He did the same to the Israeli populace and it even worked for a short while. How different is he from any other politician? > Previously I > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. Actually the parallel does exist, but only few Americans understand it clearly. > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > parts of the world. What you are saying is meaningless. You could also claim that all Americans are directly from Cyprus and indirectly other parts of the world. It so happens all Jews originated in the Land of Israel. As to distribution in Israel, I have already provided statistics (as of 2000). > There are of course many Arab jews There is no such thing as an Arab Jew. The Jews are a People. The term 'Arab' is a cultural and linguistic definition. > ... who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > Have you ever been to Jersey? Yes. Have you ever been to *any* country in the area you are discussing? > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. Well then, why don't you move there? > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > if it was an > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. ROFLMAO! You could make a fortune as a stand up comic. > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > 1865 And you base this statement on what? > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? Always. Misleading the American public by portraying Israel as an aggressor and PLO terrorists as victims. The exact opposite is true. Hardly a day goes by when there aren't terrorist attacks (bombs in supermarkets, school buses, etc.), obviously designed to kill off women and children. By contrast, *all* Israeli police actions are directed at terrorists and avoiding civilian casualties. > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > of Judaism. Why is it significant that The Appalled Minority are Jews? What is happening in the region has *nothing* to do with Judaism. > Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > Nation > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > IE: > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > manufactured > through human methods and is an affront to God. So? What's your point, if any? > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > capability > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > scenario and > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Interesting... You believe the US should modify it's foreign policy under Arab direction/pressure? Meanwhile, fret not. Israel has had nuclear capability for years now, not to mention, delivery capability. > Non Arab Israelis will be encouraged > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > religious > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. You should live so long :-). > Ron your gonna love Jersey Nah... It's too close to NY. Besides, haven't you just reserved it for Israelis? Personally, I prefer to stay in Mass. -- Ron > > Javier > > Ron wrote: > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > descent ... > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > are Israeli born. > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > everywhere else around > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > break down. > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > Americans? > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > networks including CNN. > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > negative context while > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > It was very well represented. > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > expense! > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange is > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > than that they are Americans. > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > principle, > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > his > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > >... before deciding to > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > rather than imagined. > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > implied > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the story: > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... do people > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 18:07:12 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:07:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> <00bb01c1464a$4cb77420$30f53fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB1AE1A.A12FE74@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3BB1FD30.71BAEB90@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Ok Warren > Why are those soldiers in Saudi Arabia? > Because Iraq was challenging over regional leadership. No, because it tried to muscle in on Kuwaiti oil. > When did Iraq decide it had to assert itself in the region? > It was around 1982 when Israel hit their reactor. You got the horse way behind the cart. Israel demolished Iraq's reactor exactly because Iraq was 'asserting' itself. Besides, you ought to kiss Israel's ass for this. Otherwise, Iraq could have had nuclear capability in 1990. Israel's action may have saved an untold number of American lives. BTW, Iraq is very close to nuclear capability right now. As the US staunchest enemy, this should worry you a lot more than your anti Israeli bias. > As for 67 and 73 for that matter Israel was able to beat off those > attacks because > because they had a clear commitment from the U.S. Where did you get this? In 1967, the US was informed, but had nothing to do with the war. In 1973, Egypt attacked. There was no commitment from the US, though we did help them later on. > and there was > the spectre of massive U.S. intervention in the region looming > over the Arabs. The Soviets on the other hand were unwilling to comit > anything by comparison. Normally, one shouldn't assume malice for what can be adequately explained by ignorance, but in this case, I am not sure. Like your other interpretations of history, these are lies -- the exact reverse is true: Israel withdrew from Egypt under US pressure. This was brought about by Russian threats that the US did not wish to test. I wonder what is your motivation to continually distort the facts? > As for Israeli nukes The Arabs may accept M.A.D. with the U.S. someday > but will never do so with Israel. So? You have a point? > You might want to read some books yourself. Excellent advice, that you seem to need and Warren doesn't. -- Ron > Javier > > Warren wrote: > > > > Javier > > while I can put up with your comments on turntables and the like > > could you do us all a favor and maybe read some history. > > You could start with why bin laden is in Afghanistan to begin with. > > and then maybe figure out that he's more concerned with American > > soldiers in Saudi Arabia than he is about the fate of the Palestinians. > > While your at it maybe you could look into the Arab/ Israeli war > > of 1967. As far as Israel becoming a theme park you must be smoking > > something > > real good. > > Oh and you do know that the Israeli's *have* nuclear weapons and have > > had them for a long time > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > Ok lets see where should I start > > > > > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > > > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > > > They are also FUNdaMENTALists > > > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > > > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > > > outside the region! > > > > > > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > > > > > > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > > > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > > > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > > > and dismay :( > > > > > > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > > > instincts of the American populace. Previously I > > > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > > > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > > > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. > > > > > > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > > > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > > > parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews > > > who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > > > > > Have you ever been to Jersey? > > > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. > > > > > > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > > > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > > > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > > > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > > > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > > > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > > > if it was an > > > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. > > > > > > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > > > 1865 > > > > > > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? > > > > > > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > > > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > > > of > > > Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > > > Nation > > > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > > > IE: > > > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > > > manufactured > > > through human methods and is an affront to God. > > > > > > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > > > capability > > > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > > > scenario and > > > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab > > > Israelis will be encouraged > > > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > > > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > > > religious > > > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. > > > > > > Ron your gonna love Jersey > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > > > descent ... > > > > > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > > > are Israeli born. > > > > > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > > > everywhere else around > > > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > > > break down. > > > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > > > Americans? > > > > > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > > > networks including CNN. > > > > > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > > > negative context while > > > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > > > It was very well represented. > > > > > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > > > expense! > > > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange > > is > > > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > > > than that they are Americans. > > > > > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > > > principle, > > > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > > > his > > > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > > > > > >... before deciding to > > > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > > > rather than imagined. > > > > > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > See Ya > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > > > implied > > > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the > > story: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... > > do people > > > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Sep 26 18:54:20 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:54:20 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57AD@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> DEFINITELY, my friend! And... get better, Matyas! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:06 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX > > Hey Nick ! > Let us know your first feelings while you will peel off those numerous > stickers ! > I guess it will be beyond delight, lucky you !!! > Matyas ;o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igritski Nick" > > > Thanx a lot guys! I'll buy the crackling bitch! > > > > Nick > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 25 19:02:41 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:02:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch Message-ID: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> Hi all, Does anybody know how to cure this subject ? 482's reel motor running fine, playback is fine, but on FF and reverse the reel 'clutch' slipped badly. It is one of those cloth / pad spring coupled to round plastic plate. Any spray or ideas to make them rotating together again ? Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Sep 26 19:36:28 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:36:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not a good idea. Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer could probably present very informed ideas about why, but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a really good question I can't answer; can a good crossover be good for both formats? A good article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the article was that manufacturers should place crossovers outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to hear) Although this is off topic it is a really good question and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this topic off the group and email among yourselves those thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much appreciated. Brian S. ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: > > << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? > I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully improving, > better than normal bi-wiring !!! > >> > > I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, and it > seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for it, > but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. > > I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say that at > normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound quality, I > like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and mid-woof/tweeter > sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think that > double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the woofer > would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. > > However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that they felt > that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose coherence if > they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them > single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford Krell or > Boulder! > > Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of all > places... > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 26 19:39:04 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:39:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT In-Reply-To: <000f01c145bb$4b206660$eb289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000201c146b2$22e2daa0$86f5193e@a4s1s2> Heh! Heh! Right on, Salim! Peace brother! (Altho' 24 hours of John Lennon just might turn me into a serial killer!! ;o) ) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 25 September 2001 13:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT Hello Graham, Completely agree with you !!! Most of the times we are simply victims of politics (and sometimes big businesses !). It's an insult to our intelligence but worked real charm to average fanatics on the streets. Those 'good guys' of politics need to be brainwashed inside a room with "Imagine" playing nonstop 24 hrs - on a Nak 505, to bring this on topic. Peace, SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 26 19:51:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:51:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> If you are sure it is the reel table clutches slipping, rather than the idler, then what you have to do is remove the reel tables(which means separating the two major transport chassis plates), take them apart & re-stretch the pressure springs. If you can find appropriate sticky-back felt, you could also replace the clutch pad rings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > > Hi all, > > Does anybody know how to cure this subject ? 482's reel motor running fine, > playback is fine, but on FF and reverse the reel 'clutch' slipped badly. It > is one of those cloth / pad spring coupled to round plastic plate. Any > spray or ideas to make them rotating together again ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 20:17:31 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:17:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BB21BBB.2FBD6174@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end > dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable > bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not > a good idea. For bi-wiring, the input to the high and low xover sections must be brought out separately. For bi-amping, the speaker drivers connections must be brought out and additionally, a way to disconnect the internal xover must be provided as well. Most speakers are bi-wireable, but not bi-ampable. To bi-amp, each speaker driver must be *directly* driven from a separate amp. The amps must be preceded by an 'electronic xover'. This connection has audibly demonstrable advantage. What people do is drive the bi-wiring inputs from separate amps. This 'false biamping' misses the advantages of 'true biamping'. People do it because they just know (and therefore, hear) that biamping is a good thing to do... Dealers that do not recommend 'false biamping' should be commended. > Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer > could probably present very informed ideas about why, > but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable > or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). > The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of > a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a > really good question I can't answer; can a good > crossover be good for both formats? The answer is 'No'. Bi-amping requires an electronic xover to precede the amps. > A good > article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what > issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the > article was that manufacturers should place crossovers > outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of > xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. > The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE > crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! It is highly unlikely that the user can obtain good results from a separately purchased xover. There is a lot more to it than most users (or even techs) are aware of. Most xovers incorporate at least some EQ, that is very speaker design dependent. > As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not > need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power > amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB > spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to > hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to > hear) To be honest, Macintosh and Krell are in the same class; namely: expensive. > Although this is off topic it is a really good question > and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East > (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this > topic off the group and email among yourselves those > thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much > appreciated. Two comments: first, bi-wiring does not make an audible difference. This has been proved many times in *blind* tests. Claims that it does have never been proved in blind tests. Personally, I ran some listening tests and can attest to the above. As to 'floating bi-wiring', this is the first I've heard about it. As already noted, it is the same as wiring a small cap in parallel with the speaker terminals and should have the same effect (that is, zero; unless the amp is of extremely poor design, in which case it can be sonically detrimental). -- Ron > > Brian S. > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: > > > > << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? > > I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully improving, > > better than normal bi-wiring !!! > > >> > > > > I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, and it > > seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for it, > > but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. > > > > I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say that at > > normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound quality, I > > like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and mid-woof/tweeter > > sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think that > > double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the woofer > > would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. > > > > However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that they felt > > that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose coherence if > > they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them > > single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford Krell or > > Boulder! > > > > Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of all > > places... > > > > Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 20:30:50 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:30:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT References: <000201c146b2$22e2daa0$86f5193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB21EDA.F8657867@concentric.net> John Lennon? 'Imagine' brought to mind Ofra Harnoy's CD. Her performance is so enchanting, I completely forgot it's Lennon's music. I wouldn't listen to this CD (or any other, for that matter) for 24 hours straight; still, I listen to it quite often. Marvelous! -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Heh! Heh! Right on, Salim! Peace brother! > > (Altho' 24 hours of John Lennon just might turn me into a serial killer!! > ;o) ) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 25 September 2001 13:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT > > Hello Graham, > > Completely agree with you !!! Most of the times we are simply victims of > politics (and sometimes big businesses !). It's an insult to our > intelligence but worked real charm to average fanatics on the streets. > Those 'good guys' of politics need to be brainwashed inside a room with > "Imagine" playing nonstop 24 hrs - on a Nak 505, to bring this on topic. > > Peace, > SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Sep 26 20:40:34 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:40:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB22122.F21F0D77@concentric.net> Pioneer Laser Disc players use similar felt rings to grab the disc. Once they start to slip, the disc continues to rotate for a long time. It then takes a long time for the player to eject a disk, since it has to wait for it to stop. I have found that the cause is often a compressed felt ring. Simply brushing it removes felt dust and fluffs it up. Also, I find that the disc labels may become slick due to air pollutants. Wiping them clean with windex damped cloth fixes the problem -- at least, for a few months. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > If you are sure it is the reel table clutches slipping, rather than the > idler, then what you have to do is remove the reel tables(which means > separating the two major transport chassis plates), take them apart & > re-stretch the pressure springs. If you can find appropriate sticky-back > felt, you could also replace the clutch pad rings. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:02 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anybody know how to cure this subject ? 482's reel motor running > fine, > > playback is fine, but on FF and reverse the reel 'clutch' slipped badly. > It > > is one of those cloth / pad spring coupled to round plastic plate. Any > > spray or ideas to make them rotating together again ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Wed Sep 26 23:25:31 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:25:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> > Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite clear and revealing. However, I > thought Krell and the like were some of the most expensive amps out there. I bought my > McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. What does a Krell system or some of the other > amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of diminishing return? 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References: <000301c1448e$86c6b9e0$c8fd193e@a4s1s2> <00dd01c1452b$99c947e0$4df73fd0@oemcomputer> <3BB0BF11.44AB74B2@concentric.net> <002901c14523$4fa57560$ea289bca@smarzuki> <3BB0D195.E0FEA4CF@concentric.net> <3BB0ECC7.4ADA4CBE@yahoo.com> <3BB10446.E8C20994@concentric.net> <3BB11749.9EF08641@yahoo.com> <001b01c1461d$92d7d9e0$13031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <004501c146d2$3491ee60$5e756acf@johnrotten> I'll second that, back to Nak's. would be nice or at least cassettes. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > This thread is wearing old!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No > one comes to the Father except through Me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > Ok lets see where should I start > > > > The Taliban are not Arabs who hate America. > > They are non-Arabs who hate America. > > They are also FUNdaMENTALists > > They are split into 1 group which sees Israel as America's base in the > > in the region and a second group which sees America as Israel's base > > outside the region! > > > > The PLO is made up of Arabs who are confounded by America > > > > Sadam is a guy who used to like America and thought he had > > America's blessing for the anexation of fat rich Kuwait > > but what attacked for it to his profound shock > > and dismay :( > > > > Netanyahu; I almost said Yahoo, panders to the lowest > > instincts of the American populace. Previously I > > believe he has also tried to draw parallels between the > > M.E. situation and the treatment of new world indians. > > at the hands of colonists, or maybe it was Sharon. > > > > Most Israelis are of Indo-European Stock either > > directly from Europe or indirectly from other > > parts of the world. There are of course many Arab jews > > who have a natural right as semites to live there. > > > > Have you ever been to Jersey? > > It's been cleaned up you know and the weather is friendlier. > > > > If the US has been pursuing it's own interests there > > then someone should point out to U.S. planners that > > It's interests lye primarily in the area of energy self sufficiency. > > But for some reason a few vocal anti-nuclear activists > > were able to effectively kill off the nation's nuclear energy > > industry in the seventies. The conspiracy theorists are unable to decide > > if it was an > > Arab plot, an Israeli plot or perhaps a joint venture. > > > > Yeah Israel's a democracy sort of like the US was a democracy before > > 1865 > > > > When has CNN been biased towards Arabs? > > > > BTW: I live in NY and have spoken to more than a few American Jews who > > are absolutely apalled by what is being done in the region in the name > > of > > Judaism. Furthermore, a significant number of Jews believe that the > > Nation > > state of Israel must be arrived at through direct divine intervention > > IE: > > God must deliver the people himself. Because the current state was > > manufactured > > through human methods and is an affront to God. > > > > As for the nukes When the Islamic world develops a true nuclear > > capability > > with the long range delivery option the U.S. will adopt a M.A.D. > > scenario and > > modify it's position, gradually abandoning support for Israel. Non Arab > > Israelis will be encouraged > > to emigrate leaving mostly Arab jews in the region inhabiting a > > symbolic Jewish state that will resemble a Jewish vatican. IE: a > > religious > > theme park along side an Islamic and perhaps Christian theme park. > > > > Ron your gonna love Jersey > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it's pretty obvious that the whole of the middle east crisis > > > > revolves around the Israel issue. > > > > > > Actually, no. At this point, Israel is the smaller issue. > > > Even the Taliban say so. The big issue is the US and oil. > > > The declared 'jihad' (holy war) is specifically against the > > > US. Seems the US has decided to protect its oil interests > > > in a way Arab (and Japanese) terrorists do not approve of. > > > > > > > Since 49 The United Stated has pursued a foreign policy > > > > that has alienated 99% of the population in the region > > > > for the sake of Israel. > > > > > > Actually, for the sake of it's own interests. > > > > > > > Because so many of the Israelis happen to be of European > > > > descent ... > > > > > > Less than 25% are of European descent (32% of *combined* > > > American and European descent). Not much, seeing that 21% > > > are Israeli born. > > > > > > > ... the whole thing naturally starts to resemble a > > > > continuation of European colonialism via the United States. > > > > It's funny in that the US has always > > > > been known for pursuing a rational and coherent foreign foreign policy > > > > based on a combination of self interest and global stability issues > > > > everywhere else around > > > > the world. But when it comes to the middle East all the rules seem to > > > > break down. > > > > The US seems to invite the hatred of millions of Arabs and Muslims > > > > without regard for the consequences catastrophic as they may be. > > > > It's as if security and stability even at home don't matter anymore. > > > > > > Are you saying the US should fashion it's foreign policy > > > to appease Arabs and Muslims, to alleviate their killing > > > Americans? > > > > > > > I've been watching the same broadcasts as everyone else and > > > > have noted the usual blatent pro Israeli bias on the part of all the > > > > networks including CNN. > > > > > > Hah? That's bull. CNN is strongly anti-Israeli. Perhaps > > > their dislike of what happened in NYC confused you? > > > > > > > The analysts all seem to have the same position on the > > > > issue and the Arab viewpoint is never heard except in a > > > > negative context while > > > > the Israeli viewpoint is overwhelmingly over represented. > > > > > > Not true. The Arab viewpoint was jubilation and > > > justification of the massacre of thousands of Americans. > > > It was very well represented. > > > > > > > A few days ago this Netan Yahu guy... > > > > > > Actually, the name is Netanyahu. > > > > > > > ...was speaking to a psychophantic > > > > congressional commitee. He went out of his way to draw comparisons > > > > between the US and Israel... > > > > > > Such as that Israel is the only democracy in the area? > > > > > > > ...and pointed out how the the reaction > > > > of the Arabs would be the same if it was a nation of Belgians > > > > living in the middle east. No one questioned him of course > > > > and a congressman who no doubt fled from an eastern european > > > > gulag showered praise on him. I thought to myself, do these guys > > > > actually believe that the Arabs should be required to gracefully > > > > accept a theoretical colony of Belgians in the middle east at their > > > > expense! > > > > I don't know about the ROW but here in America if anyone else > > > > had said that about any group of indigenous peoples he ould have been > > > > denounced as an overt rascist. But not Yahu of course. This exchange > is > > > > in fact typical of the relationship between the people who run the > > > > US govt and media and Israel. > > > > Of course things are now starting to get interesting. The anti-america > > > > elements in the M.E. have shown that they can plot and penetrate > > > > at great cost to the U.S. These encroachments can not be stopped > > > > except by placing severe limits on the individual liberties > > > > of Americans, many of whom don't give a damm about Israel. > > > > > > What does Israel have to do with it? Do try to remember > > > that the Taliban terrorists are Arabs that hate America. To > > > them, Israel is a separate, smaller and insignificant issue. > > > Each of them will love to kill Americans for no other reason > > > than that they are Americans. > > > > > > You are confusing them with the PLO that do hate Israel but > > > are friendly with the US (Arafat was the #1 visitor to the > > > White House) and maybe Sadam Hussein, that hates the US (for > > > good reasons) and also hates Israel as a matter of > > > principle, > > > along with the Curds (since they oppose him) and probably > > > his > > > own people, many thousands of which he has killed. > > > > > > > question then becomes how much freedom will the Americans be > > > > willing to give and how much of a threat to the national existence > > > > will they be able to cope with in the name of Israel... > > > > > > Israel has nothing to do with it. Read above. > > > > > > >... before deciding to > > > > resettle the Israelis (at least the european ones) in Jersey. > > > > > > I hope this sentence makes sense to you. > > > > > > > (a far better place than the M.E. IMHO) > > > > > > I take it you are familiar with the Middle East? No? > > > > > > > The issue will be settled in a few years when the arab nukes are real > > > > rather than imagined. > > > > > > It better be settled before that. By than, it will be > > > too late. Meanwhile, I suggest you read up on issues > > > you wish to comment on. Get some facts. Your obvious > > > personal bias doesn't cut it. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > See Ya > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anything is possible, but I wonder... > > > > > > > > > > First, the same video was shown on both Sky News and CNN. > > > > > A similar one was shown on Israeli News. I doubt the first > > > > > two would instigate fraud. I know for certain the last one > > > > > certainly won't. > > > > > > > > > > Second, CNN policy is both anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. > > > > > I just do not see them airing anti-Arab images. Note that > > > > > CNN refrained from showing this video on the first day -- > > > > > the British Sky News did. CNN aired it the following day, > > > > > after Sky forced their hands. > > > > > > > > > > Third, Hanan Ashrawi (previously, the PLO spokesperson and > > > > > now serving the Arab league in that same capacity), accepted > > > > > the video as genuine. She certainly ought to know (and > > > > > probably would have loved to claim it was a fraud). > > > > > > > > > > Finally -- both PLO propaganda and Abdullah of Jordan > > > > > implied > > > > > that the WTC attack was motivated by support for the > > > > > Palestinians. This is a lie, but it does indicate the mood > > > > > on the Arab street (that the WTC attack is good for their > > > > > cause) which is what the video is showing. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, don't know if this is true, but here's another side of the > story: > > > > > > > > > > > > (also the CNN scene was aired within minutes after the blast ... > do people > > > > > > over in the desert watch TV news all the time ?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Marcio A. V. de Carvalho" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the camera. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are > > > > > > > > images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of > > > > > > > > cumminications as CNN uses images which do not > > > > > > > > correspond to the reality in talking about so serious > > > > > > > > an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes > > > > > > > > recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been > > > > > > > > sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in > > > > > > > > Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself > > > > > > > > classify as a crime against the public opinion. If > > > > > > > > anyone of you has access to this kind of files, search > > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy > > > > > > > > of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the > > > > > > > > impact of such images. Your people is hurt, > > > > > > > > emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very > > > > > > > > high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage > > > > > > > > against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to > > > > > > > > show images such as those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:29 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Stager wrote: > > > > > > > > From AP report: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the West Bank city of Nablus, thousands of > > > > > > > > Palestinians celebrated the attacks, chanting > > > > > > > > "God is Great" and handing out candy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of nights later I happened to attend a > > > > > > > concert in the Hall of Culture in Tel Aviv, given > > > > > > > by a couple of Israel's topmost entertainers. This > > > > > > > being the week of the Jewish new year, there was > > > > > > > the expected ad-libbing concerning new year wishes. > > > > > > > The singer (American raised) said that his wish was > > > > > > > to have been able to save, even if only one, of the > > > > > > > victims. This was greeted by the audience with a > > > > > > > huge approving applause. (Israel has been enduring > > > > > > > Arab terrorist attacks for the past year -- often, > > > > > > > several a day -- all aimed at killing as many > > > > > > > civilians, women and children as possible. The > > > > > > > people in the audience could relate). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contrast between the Arab and Israeli > > > > > > > sentiments was brought home when Hanan Ashrawi > > > > > > > (the Arab league spokeswoman), expressed her > > > > > > > regrets (even though she did find words to > > > > > > > explain (almost, to justify) the tragedy. When > > > > > > > shown the rejoicing Arab crowds in the streets, > > > > > > > she said -- get this -- that the video was > > > > > > > 'misleading' (her word) and should be ignored. > > > > > > > Laughable, if it wasn't so very sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 00:43:22 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:43:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! In-Reply-To: <3BB1FD30.71BAEB90@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002401c146dc$a54fbba0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Whoa guys! Get a sense of proportion - we ain't talking good guys and bad guys here, y'know. None of us is standing on the moral high ground when it comes to the International stage of our nation's political foreign policies. There are no white hats riding in the World of politics - just different shades of grey and black. We're all bad guys of one kind or another. Just some are worse than others! Israel, PLO, Hisbollah, bin Laden, Shining Path, Chilean Death Squads, Vietcong, USA, Russia, France, Germany, UK, the Contras, ETA, IRA .... etc, etc. ad infinitum: In every case, one man's "terrorist" is another's "freedom fighter". And our choice of definition depends on if the fighter is with us or against us. Thus bin Laden the late "freedom fighter" and hero of the Afghani-Russian war is now a "terrorist". Same guy. Same basic guerrilla terror tactics. Except instead of fighting the Russians with our money he's now fighting us.... with our money. (The IRA was/is, of course, largely funded by donations from US citizens, ironically a huge proportion of them in New York ... thanks, guys! But then, we call 'em "terrorists" and yous call them "freedom fighters" even though they killed more civilians, mostly from their own Catholic community, than they ever did soldiers or Policemen.) All of these peoples and nations, and many many more, have used the tactics of "terror" in their wars, including deliberately killing civilians. For example, the British airforce (with some US airforce support) bombed the civilian population of Dresden on the night of 13-14 February 1945 and slaughtered not 6,000 people (as were killed in the WTC) but 135,000. Imagine that? 135k people killed in one night, mostly pensioners, women and children. Couldn't say they were military or even economic targets. And this was NOT "collateral" damage: We very coldly and deliberately bombed the shit out of Dresden's civilian population. Thus, the Iranian leader is speaking the truth today when he said ALL our nations have got blood on our hands (not that that in anyway justifies what happened in NY or Washington, of course.) However, somewhere in the Bible it does say about the Sins of the fathers being visited upon their sons, and I can't help thinking of this when I think of our nations' problems today, not least in modern Israel, a country which was born out or terrorism. Indeed, Israel is a living example of how terrorism can pay very handsomely - kill some innocent people with bullets and bombs, hang a few British soldiers just because they are British and then get your own nation state and become a government minister to boot! I suppose this is why Israeli government ministers, past and present, don't like meeting Arafat - it's like seeing a mirror image of themselves 30-40 years ago, and that must be scary because they know that terror tactics could work for him as well just as it did for them. And to put this into an on topic perspective .... I've actually met some "terrorists". Talk to them about any subjects outside of their particular obsession and - guess what? They're just like any other guy living in the street that you could share a beer, belch and butty with! Why, I believe some of them even own Naks and love music.... (One Irish Republican I knew, a talented writer, he was locked up for kidnapping and conspiracy to murder. Yet he truly abhorred violence. Hated it. But he still got involved with it because he couldn't then envisage there being any peaceful alternative for getting his minority view represented via an inadequate democratic process that never allows a share of power to minorities. [It is often said that the UK does not have democracy but an elected dictatorship!] These meetings made me realise that there is something of the terrorist in most people. What makes us different from them is that we have not (yet...) been put into a corner from which we feel there is no way out except some form extreme violence ... Thus, the way to beat terrorism for ever is to understand it and deal with its causes. Beating the shit out of any terrorists we can find won't annihilate the problem of terrorism any differently to how aspirin treats symptoms but does not cure the illness.) As the song says, "There but for Fortune go you or I ...." Back to the Nak and music .... Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 00:47:31 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:47:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring In-Reply-To: <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <002901c146dd$39f8adc0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Being cynical (for once?) I've often wondered if the "benefit" of bi wiring was simply the fact that the wiring between the amp and speaker is doubled up. To explain: I was not satisfied with the sound I used to get from my (then) Quad 44 and 405 amp combination with Tandberg speakers. So, I experimented by running an extra wire (same type) between the amp and speakers. The effect was to give a richer, fuller sound. The top end was not lost but the music gained weight and depth in the middle and bass. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of britri at pacbell.net Sent: 26 September 2001 18:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not a good idea. Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer could probably present very informed ideas about why, but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a really good question I can't answer; can a good crossover be good for both formats? A good article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the article was that manufacturers should place crossovers outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to hear) Although this is off topic it is a really good question and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this topic off the group and email among yourselves those thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much appreciated. Brian S. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 26 September 2001 19:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT John Lennon? 'Imagine' brought to mind Ofra Harnoy's CD. Her performance is so enchanting, I completely forgot it's Lennon's music. I wouldn't listen to this CD (or any other, for that matter) for 24 hours straight; still, I listen to it quite often. Marvelous! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 27 02:03:41 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:03:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB21BBB.2FBD6174@concentric.net> Message-ID: <03a101c146e7$df032700$493442cf@sank1> Actually, Ron, biamping using the speakers' passive crossovers is just as valid as using an electronic crossover. Each mode has it's positives & negatives. Personally, I prefer passive mode biamping most of the time, as I find the addition of active stages in the line level stages to be much more intrusive than the insertion of speaker-level components. It needs to be clarified, when a reviewer speaks of biamping, especially relative to non-biamping, which mode of it they are speaking of, and, if active crossover mode, whether or not the amps have direct connection to the drivers, without going through the speaker crossovers, and also what active crossover is used. It also needs to be noted that a 3-way speaker system which is not triamped, with an active 3-way xover, is using a combination of active/passive, as the output of the mid/treble amp must then be divided by the mid-tweeter section of the passive crossover. Further, for proper operation in this mode, the high-pass section of the midrange xover must be bypassed. As far as the biwiring thing, I use biwire, but mainly because LAT, my favorite cable maker's best "bang for buck" speaker cable is their biwire model & is second only to their much more expensive top grade single cable. I'd never heard of the "floating biwire" concept, but it is quite interesting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end > > dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable > > bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not > > a good idea. > > For bi-wiring, the input to the high and low xover > sections must be brought out separately. For bi-amping, > the speaker drivers connections must be brought out > and additionally, a way to disconnect the internal > xover must be provided as well. > > Most speakers are bi-wireable, but not bi-ampable. > > To bi-amp, each speaker driver must be *directly* > driven from a separate amp. The amps must be preceded > by an 'electronic xover'. This connection has audibly > demonstrable advantage. > > What people do is drive the bi-wiring inputs from > separate amps. This 'false biamping' misses the > advantages of 'true biamping'. People do it because > they just know (and therefore, hear) that biamping is > a good thing to do... Dealers that do not recommend > 'false biamping' should be commended. > > > Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer > > could probably present very informed ideas about why, > > but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable > > or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). > > The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of > > a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a > > really good question I can't answer; can a good > > crossover be good for both formats? > > The answer is 'No'. Bi-amping requires an electronic > xover to precede the amps. > > > A good > > article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what > > issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the > > article was that manufacturers should place crossovers > > outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of > > xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. > > The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE > > crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! > > It is highly unlikely that the user can obtain good > results from a separately purchased xover. There is a > lot more to it than most users (or even techs) are > aware of. Most xovers incorporate at least some EQ, > that is very speaker design dependent. > > > As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not > > need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power > > amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB > > spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to > > hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to > > hear) > > To be honest, Macintosh and Krell are in the same class; > namely: expensive. > > > Although this is off topic it is a really good question > > and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East > > (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this > > topic off the group and email among yourselves those > > thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much > > appreciated. > > Two comments: first, bi-wiring does not make an audible > difference. This has been proved many times in *blind* > tests. Claims that it does have never been proved in blind > tests. > > Personally, I ran some listening tests and can attest to > the above. > > As to 'floating bi-wiring', this is the first I've heard > about it. As already noted, it is the same as wiring a > small cap in parallel with the speaker terminals and > should have the same effect (that is, zero; unless the > amp is of extremely poor design, in which case it can be > sonically detrimental). > > -- Ron > > > > > > Brian S. > > > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? > > > I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully improving, > > > better than normal bi-wiring !!! > > > >> > > > > > > I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, and it > > > seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for it, > > > but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. > > > > > > I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say that at > > > normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound quality, I > > > like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and mid-woof/tweeter > > > sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think that > > > double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the woofer > > > would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. > > > > > > However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that they felt > > > that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose coherence if > > > they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them > > > single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford Krell or > > > Boulder! > > > > > > Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of all > > > places... > > > > > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 03:39:05 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:39:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! References: <002401c146dc$a54fbba0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB28339.8C89A25B@yahoo.com> You gotta problem with Chilean death squads? Javier > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Whoa guys! Get a sense of proportion - we ain't talking good guys > and bad guys here, y'know. None of us is standing on the moral high > ground when it comes to the International stage of our nation's > political foreign policies. There are no white hats riding in the > World of politics - just different shades of grey and black. We're > all bad guys of one kind or another. Just some are worse than > others! Israel, PLO, Hisbollah, bin Laden, Shining Path, Chilean > Death Squads, Vietcong, USA, Russia, France, Germany, UK, the Contras, > ETA, IRA .... etc, etc. ad infinitum: In every case, one man's > "terrorist" is another's "freedom fighter". And our choice of > definition depends on if the fighter is with us or against us. Thus > bin Laden the late "freedom fighter" and hero of the Afghani-Russian > war is now a "terrorist". Same guy. Same basic guerrilla terror > tactics. Except instead of fighting the Russians with our money he's > now fighting us.... with our money. (The IRA was/is, of course, > largely funded by donations from US citizens, ironically a huge > proportion of them in New York ... thanks, guys! But then, we call > 'em "terrorists" and yous call them "freedom fighters" even though > they killed more civilians, mostly from their own Catholic community, > than they ever did soldiers or Policemen.) > > All of these peoples and nations, and many many more, have used the > tactics of "terror" in their wars, including deliberately killing > civilians. For example, the British airforce (with some US airforce > support) bombed the civilian population of Dresden on the night of > 13-14 February 1945 and slaughtered not 6,000 people (as were killed > in the WTC) but 135,000. Imagine that? 135k people killed in one > night, mostly pensioners, women and children. Couldn't say they were > military or even economic targets. And this was NOT "collateral" > damage: We very coldly and deliberately bombed the shit out of > Dresden's civilian population. Thus, the Iranian leader is speaking > the truth today when he said ALL our nations have got blood on our > hands (not that that in anyway justifies what happened in NY or > Washington, of course.) > > However, somewhere in the Bible it does say about the Sins of the > fathers being visited upon their sons, and I can't help thinking of > this when I think of our nations' problems today, not least in modern > Israel, a country which was born out or terrorism. Indeed, Israel is > a living example of how terrorism can pay very handsomely - kill some > innocent people with bullets and bombs, hang a few British soldiers > just because they are British and then get your own nation state and > become a government minister to boot! I suppose this is why Israeli > government ministers, past and present, don't like meeting Arafat - > it's like seeing a mirror image of themselves 30-40 years ago, and > that must be scary because they know that terror tactics could work > for him as well just as it did for them. > > And to put this into an on topic perspective .... I've actually met > some "terrorists". Talk to them about any subjects outside of their > particular obsession and - guess what? They're just like any other > guy living in the street that you could share a beer, belch and butty > with! Why, I believe some of them even own Naks and love > music.... > > (One Irish Republican I knew, a talented writer, he was locked up for > kidnapping and conspiracy to murder. Yet he truly abhorred violence. > Hated it. But he still got involved with it because he couldn't then > envisage there being any peaceful alternative for getting his minority > view represented via an inadequate democratic process that never > allows a share of power to minorities. [It is often said that the UK > does not have democracy but an elected dictatorship!] These > meetings made me realise that there is something of the terrorist in > most people. What makes us different from them is that we have not > (yet...) been put into a corner from which we feel there is no way out > except some form extreme violence ... Thus, the way to beat terrorism > for ever is to understand it and deal with its causes. Beating the > shit out of any terrorists we can find won't annihilate the problem of > terrorism any differently to how aspirin treats symptoms but does not > cure the illness.) > > As the song says, "There but for Fortune go you or I ...." > > Back to the Nak and music .... > > Graham _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 04:36:41 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:36:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! References: <002401c146dc$a54fbba0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> <3BB28339.8C89A25B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c146fd$3d991f80$22ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! > You gotta problem with Chilean death squads? > Javier > At this point I'm going to shut up and not feed the trolls Peace Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 04:55:27 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:55:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB21BBB.2FBD6174@concentric.net> <03a101c146e7$df032700$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <00c801c146ff$dd1f37e0$22ed3fd0@oemcomputer> I'll admit that my speakers are biwired only because I had a biwire set of cable and the speakers are biwireable. I honestly can't hear any difference biwiredor single wired. I had an extensive discussion with my speakers manufacture (atc http://www.atc.gb.net/products.htm) and their view for better or worse is that they did biwiring for marketing reasons The Hong Kong market among others demands it. I've also had the same discussion with Totem with the same answer (all though these days they've gone a bit loopy so they may have changed their minds) as for passive vs active biamping I'm of two minds, in a two way speaker I see no benefit in three way and more speakers it can have an advantage but I think one amp that is capable of driving a speaker properly is more than sufficient. When it comes to active speakers there really are advantages that can not be duplicated in regular designs. With an active speaker the designer is able to match the amp to the driver, to the cabinet and create a more cohesive product. This assumes though that the designer is talented. YMMV Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 09:13:36 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:13:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Chilean Nakamichi Dragon in the post ... In-Reply-To: <3BB28339.8C89A25B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c14723$ecb38520$caf1883e@a4s1s2> Not Chilean ones but ANY death squads unless they give me a gold plated Dragon .... everyone has their price .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 27 September 2001 02:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! You gotta problem with Chilean death squads? Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Sep 27 09:39:34 2001 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:39:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57AF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, buddy! The description of your problem bears a strong resemblance to the one I experienced a while ago when I was working on my ZX-7. I'm almost convinced, that you have to do with the slipping IDLER, where the slipping occurs between the idler and the plastic reel hubs. Despite the illusive simplicity of the problem, it took me some real time to determine it's roots. What would I recommend to do BEFORE disassembling the transport is as follows: 1. Make sure the idler tire is OK, i.e. elastic enough to clutch. In my case it had been so UNBELIEVABLY hardened, that I simply refused to believe it was a rubber, rather some sort of hard plastic. 2. If the tire is OK, then take a Q-Tip, moisten it with WD-40 and apply to both the tire and the plastic reels, but LIGHTLY. Don't spray the stuff onto them! In my case, even upon replacing the idler tire for a brand new one, it still kept slipping slightly, which showed up as an annoying rattle at the ends of the tape. I believe that was because of the plastic hubs surface being slightly damaged (notched) by that old tire turned into stone. After the treatment above the problem resolved. Since then (half a year now) the deck works every day and works just excellent. Just my 2 cents... Try it. If it won't work out, then you'll have to disassemble the thing and dig deeper. Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:03 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > > > Hi all, > > Does anybody know how to cure this subject ? 482's reel motor running > fine, > playback is fine, but on FF and reverse the reel 'clutch' slipped badly. > It > is one of those cloth / pad spring coupled to round plastic plate. Any > spray or ideas to make them rotating together again ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 27 09:49:51 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:49:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <002901c146dd$39f8adc0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hi Graham, it is normal, by doubling the section of the conductors you permit more current to flow in your cables..(resistance divided per two).It has also the unwanted effect do multiply per two the total capacity of your cable set-up... (this is bad for good transients, it make them slower) It doubles also the electrostatic detection effect that exist between the conductors & the insulation. For all : As I said, the topic is FLOATING BI-WIRING. One have to NOT connect the second cable pair to the loudspeaker end. (useless isn't it ?) It is involving an unknown effect. Like a compensation or so.. refer to my main mail. An effect a thousand times more audible than ANY Coffee Mug Army !!! Regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] floating biwiring > Being cynical (for once?) I've often wondered if the "benefit" of bi wiring > was simply the fact that the wiring between the amp and speaker is doubled > up. To explain: I was not satisfied with the sound I used to get from my > (then) Quad 44 and 405 amp combination with Tandberg speakers. So, I > experimented by running an extra wire (same type) between the amp and > speakers. The effect was to give a richer, fuller sound. The top end was > not lost but the music gained weight and depth in the middle and bass. > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 26 14:02:49 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:02:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F57AF@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000f01c14683$2a328aa0$22289bca@smarzuki> Hi Nick ! Thanks for your idea. Also have had those idler problems on old Naks, but this one is different. Idler in full contact (new 'compatible' local tire) and good pressure with reel wheel .... reel wheel rotating eagerly ... but tape doesn't move ! Upon closer inspection the wheels are made out of 2 clutching parts (using some sort of cloth / pad). Like Stephen said it might need additional pressure from the spring. Ooops, forgot to say another Thanks to Stephen ! I have to confess, this 482 is the one that took a 'bath' a few months back. Squaky clean ... and slipping. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > Hi, buddy! > > The description of your problem bears a strong resemblance to the one I > experienced a while ago when I was working on my ZX-7. I'm almost convinced, > that you have to do with the slipping IDLER, where the slipping occurs > between the idler and the plastic reel hubs. Despite the illusive simplicity > of the problem, it took me some real time to determine it's roots. What > would I recommend to do BEFORE disassembling the transport is as follows: > > 1. Make sure the idler tire is OK, i.e. elastic enough to clutch. In my case > it had been so UNBELIEVABLY hardened, that I simply refused to believe it > was a rubber, rather some sort of hard plastic. > > 2. If the tire is OK, then take a Q-Tip, moisten it with WD-40 and apply to > both the tire and the plastic reels, but LIGHTLY. Don't spray the stuff onto > them! In my case, even upon replacing the idler tire for a brand new one, it > still kept slipping slightly, which showed up as an annoying rattle at the > ends of the tape. I believe that was because of the plastic hubs surface > being slightly damaged (notched) by that old tire turned into stone. After > the treatment above the problem resolved. Since then (half a year now) the > deck works every day and works just excellent. > > Just my 2 cents... Try it. If it won't work out, then you'll have to > disassemble the thing and dig deeper. > > Best > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 26 14:09:51 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:09:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> Direct Thanks Stephen ... :-) Yes it's the clutch that slipped, I'll restretch the springs ... and install a 'crystal' head on it and will report the result soon. Another question ... do you think a PA7II amp really worth $500 ? Anybody know the original msrp ? Is it a relatively 'trouble-free' amp ? (wondering if I have to look thoroughly whether it has been repaired or not). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > If you are sure it is the reel table clutches slipping, rather than the > idler, then what you have to do is remove the reel tables(which means > separating the two major transport chassis plates), take them apart & > re-stretch the pressure springs. If you can find appropriate sticky-back > felt, you could also replace the clutch pad rings. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 15:53:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:53:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BB32F5D.40522955@concentric.net> britri at pacbell.net wrote: > >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. >> What does a Krell system or some of the other >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? > > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of > diminishing return? Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) sound exactly alike. Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect the signal, except to amplify it. Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate amps on the market, your question arises: how much should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the lowest priced one represents the best price point. This simplistic view does not provide the whole answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing affect it just as much. The latter is directly related to advertising coverage (the more you advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. So, my subjective answer to your question is: it depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, on whether you actually want an accurate amp. Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each must do our own research, identify our actual goals and wishes, then choose accordingly. -- Ron > Thanks > > Brian Stocker > >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 15:57:46 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:57:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <002901c146dd$39f8adc0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB3305A.B54C6516@concentric.net> Graham, bi-wiring does *not* double up the wire. However, running a second wire in parallel does. If the original wire is inadequate, then a parallel run will certainly provide the improvements you list. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Being cynical (for once?) I've often wondered if the "benefit" of bi wiring > was simply the fact that the wiring between the amp and speaker is doubled > up. To explain: I was not satisfied with the sound I used to get from my > (then) Quad 44 and 405 amp combination with Tandberg speakers. So, I > experimented by running an extra wire (same type) between the amp and > speakers. The effect was to give a richer, fuller sound. The top end was > not lost but the music gained weight and depth in the middle and bass. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > britri at pacbell.net > Sent: 26 September 2001 18:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end dealers present > loudspeakers that > were biampable bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not a good > idea. > Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer could probably present > very > informed ideas about why, but it seems that a speaker should be either > biampable or > not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). The obvious is that this > diminishes > the flexibility of a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a > really good > question I can't answer; can a good crossover be good for both formats? A > good > article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what issue except that it > was in > 2001). The point of the article was that manufacturers should place > crossovers > outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of xover material in > speakers > costing several thousand $$. The beauty of this format, I think, is one > could CHOOSE > crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! > > As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not need to buy a Krell! > There are > many great hi power amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB > spl @ 8 ohms > yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to hit peaks or sustain at levels > louder than I > care to hear) > > Although this is off topic it is a really good question and is a little > closer to > topic than The Middle East (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's > keep this > topic off the group and email among yourselves those thoughts). Any > thoughts on biamp > topic would be much appreciated. > > Brian S. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 16:26:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:26:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB21BBB.2FBD6174@concentric.net> <03a101c146e7$df032700$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB33710.68BC8827@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, Ron, biamping using the speakers' passive crossovers is just as > valid as using an electronic crossover. Each mode has it's positives & > negatives. Well, let's list 'true' (or 'active', if you prefer) bi-amping advantages, vs. 'false' (or 'passive', if you prefer) bi-amping: 1. It eliminates amp IM distortion -- false bi-amping does not. 2. It doubles the apparent power output of the amps -- false bi-amping does not. 3. It dramatically increases the woofer damping -- false bi-amping does not. Since I don't know of other bi-amping advantages: IMO, false bi-amping offers no advantages over no biamping. > Personally, I prefer passive mode biamping most of the time, as > I find the addition of active stages in the line level stages to be much > more intrusive than the insertion of speaker-level components. In theory, coils (even air core) in the passive xover are a source of coloration, as are the required large caps and internal wiring of the internal xover. I agree that it is easy to screw up an active xover design (and some manufacturers apparently do). But, IMHO, a good active xover design will outperform a good (and more expensive) passive xover design. > It needs to be clarified, when a reviewer speaks of biamping, especially > relative to non-biamping, which mode of it they are speaking of, and, if > active crossover mode, whether or not the amps have direct connection to the > drivers, without going through the speaker crossovers, and also what active > crossover is used. No question about that. > It also needs to be noted that a 3-way speaker system which is not triamped, > with an active 3-way xover, is using a combination of active/passive, as the > output of the mid/treble amp must then be divided by the mid-tweeter section > of the passive crossover. That's true. I think that tri-amping has little advantage over bi-amping, since none of the advantages listed above is particularly significant when applied between the mid and treble speaker drivers. > Further, for proper operation in this mode, the > high-pass section of the midrange xover must be bypassed. > As far as the biwiring thing, I use biwire, but mainly because LAT, my > favorite cable maker's best "bang for buck" speaker cable is their biwire > model & is second only to their much more expensive top grade single cable. My front speakers are also bi-wired. This is a remnant of listening tests I ran to verify claims for bi-wiring. The conclusion was that bi-wiring made no audible difference to anyone present. I left the cables there (10AWG OFC cable for the woofer, 12AWG for the did/high) out of pure laziness. -- Ron > I'd never heard of the "floating biwire" concept, but it is quite > interesting. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end > > > dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable > > > bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not > > > a good idea. > > > > For bi-wiring, the input to the high and low xover > > sections must be brought out separately. For bi-amping, > > the speaker drivers connections must be brought out > > and additionally, a way to disconnect the internal > > xover must be provided as well. > > > > Most speakers are bi-wireable, but not bi-ampable. > > > > To bi-amp, each speaker driver must be *directly* > > driven from a separate amp. The amps must be preceded > > by an 'electronic xover'. This connection has audibly > > demonstrable advantage. > > > > What people do is drive the bi-wiring inputs from > > separate amps. This 'false biamping' misses the > > advantages of 'true biamping'. People do it because > > they just know (and therefore, hear) that biamping is > > a good thing to do... Dealers that do not recommend > > 'false biamping' should be commended. > > > > > Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer > > > could probably present very informed ideas about why, > > > but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable > > > or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). > > > The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of > > > a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a > > > really good question I can't answer; can a good > > > crossover be good for both formats? > > > > The answer is 'No'. Bi-amping requires an electronic > > xover to precede the amps. > > > > > A good > > > article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what > > > issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the > > > article was that manufacturers should place crossovers > > > outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of > > > xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. > > > The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE > > > crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! > > > > It is highly unlikely that the user can obtain good > > results from a separately purchased xover. There is a > > lot more to it than most users (or even techs) are > > aware of. Most xovers incorporate at least some EQ, > > that is very speaker design dependent. > > > > > As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not > > > need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power > > > amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB > > > spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to > > > hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to > > > hear) > > > > To be honest, Macintosh and Krell are in the same class; > > namely: expensive. > > > > > Although this is off topic it is a really good question > > > and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East > > > (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this > > > topic off the group and email among yourselves those > > > thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much > > > appreciated. > > > > Two comments: first, bi-wiring does not make an audible > > difference. This has been proved many times in *blind* > > tests. Claims that it does have never been proved in blind > > tests. > > > > Personally, I ran some listening tests and can attest to > > the above. > > > > As to 'floating bi-wiring', this is the first I've heard > > about it. As already noted, it is the same as wiring a > > small cap in parallel with the speaker terminals and > > should have the same effect (that is, zero; unless the > > amp is of extremely poor design, in which case it can be > > sonically detrimental). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Brian S. > > > > > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? > > > > I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully > improving, > > > > better than normal bi-wiring !!! > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, > and it > > > > seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for > it, > > > > but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. > > > > > > > > I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say > that at > > > > normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound > quality, I > > > > like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and > mid-woof/tweeter > > > > sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think > that > > > > double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the > woofer > > > > would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. > > > > > > > > However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that > they felt > > > > that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose > coherence if > > > > they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them > > > > single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford > Krell or > > > > Boulder! > > > > > > > > Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of > all > > > > places... > > > > > > > > Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 16:40:18 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:40:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT References: <002a01c146de$3a795a00$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB33A52.D6B1EB67@concentric.net> Ofra Harnoy is a Canadian cellist. Easily world class. Listen to her Tchaikovsky Rococo Variations -- it's like angels singing. Her Vivaldi cello concertos are also tops (provided you are into that sort of thing). And, of course, her 'Imagine' is fabulous. At the risk of appearing as a sexist pig -- she also happens to be an exceedingly attractive woman. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Orfra Harnoy? I've not heard her. Thanks for the tip, Ron - I'll try to > find a recording and give her a listen. > > BTW, have you heard any of the late Eva Cassidy? "Songbird" CD is > particularly good. She does a gorgeous version of "Fields of Gold", "Autumn > Leaves" and "Over the Rainbow." A thought: If you've not heard Cassidy > and fancy a listen, we could swap a TDK SA C90, Ofra on one and Eva in > exchange? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 26 September 2001 19:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT > > John Lennon? 'Imagine' brought to mind Ofra Harnoy's > CD. Her performance is so enchanting, I completely > forgot it's Lennon's music. > > I wouldn't listen to this CD (or any other, for that > matter) for 24 hours straight; still, I listen to it > quite often. Marvelous! > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 17:10:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:10:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! References: <002401c146dc$a54fbba0$adbe193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB34178.A91A6F6@concentric.net> Graham, Not to go into an extended response -- I agree with much of your post -- but I do feel one correction is in order. (I have been very interested in Israel for a long time and believe I have more than a passing knowledge of its history.) The point is this: it's true that Israel was born out of terrorism; strangely, paralleling the current Palestinian groups. The 'Haggana' (led by Israel's first prime minister, Beh-Gurion) represented the moderate, main stream. The 'Etzel' (led by Begin; later, also a prime minister) represented the moderate extremist minority. And, finally, a tiny segment ('Lechy') -- the extreme extremists. Neither the Haggana nor Etzel waged war against civilians. The opposite is true -- they took care to avoid unnecessary blood shed, sometimes, at increased risk to themselves. Before bombing the King David hotel in Jerusalem, ample warning was issued to the British authorities. Israeli terrorists took care to demolish bridges only *after* traffic was through. The British soldiers were hanged *not* because they were British, but because they were soldiers. Operations were never directed at innocent civilians, only at military targets. Contrast this with Arab terrorism, that is directed specifically at killing civilians. Another "small" difference is that the Jews were fighting for their own land. The Arabs are fighting for land that was never theirs. -- Ron > > Whoa guys! Get a sense of proportion - we ain't talking > good guys and bad guys here, y'know. None of us is > standing on the moral high ground when it comes to the > International stage of our nation's political foreign > policies. There are no white hats riding in the World of > politics - just different shades of grey and black. > We're all bad guys of one kind or another. Just some are > worse than others! Israel, PLO, Hisbollah, bin Laden, > Shining Path, Chilean Death Squads, Vietcong, USA, Russia, > France, Germany, UK, the Contras, ETA, IRA .... etc, etc. > ad infinitum: In every case, one man's "terrorist" is > another's "freedom fighter". And our choice of > definition depends on if the fighter is with us or against > us. Thus bin Laden the late "freedom fighter" and hero of > the Afghani-Russian war is now a "terrorist". Same guy. > Same basic guerrilla terror tactics. Except instead of > fighting the Russians with our money he's now fighting > us.... with our money. (The IRA was/is, of course, > largely funded by donations from US citizens, ironically a > huge proportion of them in New York ... thanks, guys! But > then, we call 'em "terrorists" and yous call them "freedom > fighters" even though they killed more civilians, mostly > from their own Catholic community, than they ever did > soldiers or Policemen.) > > All of these peoples and nations, and many many more, have > used the tactics of "terror" in their wars, including > deliberately killing civilians. For example, the British > airforce (with some US airforce support) bombed the > civilian population of Dresden on the night of 13-14 > February 1945 and slaughtered not 6,000 people (as were > killed in the WTC) but 135,000. Imagine that? 135k > people killed in one night, mostly pensioners, women and > children. Couldn't say they were military or even > economic targets. And this was NOT "collateral" damage: > We very coldly and deliberately bombed the shit out of > Dresden's civilian population. Thus, the Iranian leader > is speaking the truth today when he said ALL our nations > have got blood on our hands (not that that in anyway > justifies what happened in NY or Washington, of course.) > > However, somewhere in the Bible it does say about the Sins > of the fathers being visited upon their sons, and I can't > help thinking of this when I think of our nations' > problems today, not least in modern Israel, a country > which was born out or terrorism. Indeed, Israel is a > living example of how terrorism can pay very handsomely - > kill some innocent people with bullets and bombs, hang a > few British soldiers just because they are British and > then get your own nation state and become a government > minister to boot! I suppose this is why Israeli > government ministers, past and present, don't like meeting > Arafat - it's like seeing a mirror image of > themselves 30-40 years ago, and that must be scary because > they know that terror tactics could work for him as well > just as it did for them. > > And to put this into an on topic perspective .... I've > actually met some "terrorists". Talk to them about any > subjects outside of their particular obsession and - guess > what? They're just like any other guy living in the > street that you could share a beer, belch and butty > with! Why, I believe some of them even own Naks and > love music.... > > (One Irish Republican I knew, a talented writer, he was > locked up for kidnapping and conspiracy to murder. > Yet he truly abhorred violence. Hated it. But he still > got involved with it because he couldn't then envisage > there being any peaceful alternative for getting his > minority view represented via an inadequate democratic > process that never allows a share of power to > minorities. [It is often said that the UK does not have > democracy but an elected dictatorship!] These meetings > made me realise that there is something of the terrorist > in most people. What makes us different from them is that > we have not (yet...) been put into a corner from which we > feel there is no way out except some form extreme violence > ... Thus, the way to beat terrorism for ever is to > understand it and deal with its causes. Beating the shit > out of any terrorists we can find won't annihilate the > problem of terrorism any differently to how aspirin treats > symptoms but does not cure the illness.) > > As the song says, "There but for Fortune go you or I ...." > > Back to the Nak and music .... > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Thu Sep 27 17:42:41 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:42:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z Message-ID: <200109271542.LAA05452@herrman.road> Any thoughts on a 582z? There's one available locally for $150, with a 30 day warranty. Seems like a good deal, and I'm about to go look it over. I already have a 480 and 680zx though so perhaps it's a little redundant. Never too many I suppose! --Jud ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Thu Sep 27 17:54:22 2001 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:54:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 problem Message-ID: <200109271554.LAA05464@herrman.road> My 480 has developed an annoying problem: when it begins playing there is a ``crackling'' sound in the output for about 10 seconds, which eventually fades out. The take-up reel seems to be struggling with a sputtering irregularity that eventually stabalizes too. I've also noticed that when the heads engage there is a ``whirring'' noise that used to be very brief and has gradually become longer and longer. Now the noise seems to last a minute or two. By contrast, on my 680zx the same noise occurs for only an instant. Any ideas? After two or three minutes of playing thhe deck sounds/works as good as ever. --Jud ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Thu Sep 27 18:37:10 2001 From: britri at pacbell.net (britri at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:37:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> <3BB32F5D.40522955@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BB355B6.12B8AF35@pacbell.net> WOW Ron, what a great theory. Can anybody out there in Nakland put a brand and model # on Ron's ideal amp! Brian Stocker Ron wrote: > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite > >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the > >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. > >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. > >> What does a Krell system or some of the other > >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? > > > > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality > > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of > > diminishing return? > > Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous > 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). > > To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency > response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero > noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In > short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, > except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with > gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > sound exactly alike. > > Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can > we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier > that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. > We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them > merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound > exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect > the signal, except to amplify it. > > Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate > amps on the market, your question arises: how much > should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is > ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the > lowest priced one represents the best price point. > > This simplistic view does not provide the whole > answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of > the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but > also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). > Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say > that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a > difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate > audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically > related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing > affect it just as much. The latter is directly > related to advertising coverage (the more you > advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask > Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. > > So, my subjective answer to your question is: it > depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, > on whether you actually want an accurate amp. > Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, > aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each > must do our own research, identify our actual goals > and wishes, then choose accordingly. > > -- Ron > > > Thanks > > > > Brian Stocker > > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 26 18:56:20 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:56:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 480 problem References: <200109271554.LAA05464@herrman.road> Message-ID: <000c01c146ac$2aeed920$c1289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jud, On mechanics: take up reel problem may be the slipping idler wheel Nick told us earlier - need to clean the tire (per Nick's info or with moist swab) or replace it altogether. The whirring noise most likely came from slipping cam motor belt, this one needs to be replaced. That's the smaller belt located between the inner plates. Not quite sure on output's cracking noise ... sounds like bad cap(s) on signal path. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480 problem > My 480 has developed an annoying problem: when it begins playing there > is a ``crackling'' sound in the output for about 10 seconds, which > eventually fades out. The take-up reel seems to be struggling with a > sputtering irregularity that eventually stabalizes too. I've also > noticed that when the heads engage there is a ``whirring'' noise that > used to be very brief and has gradually become longer and longer. Now > the noise seems to last a minute or two. By contrast, on my 680zx the > same noise occurs for only an instant. Any ideas? After two or three > minutes of playing thhe deck sounds/works as good as ever. --Jud ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 19:09:45 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:09:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> <3BB32F5D.40522955@concentric.net> <3BB355B6.12B8AF35@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <3BB35D59.A507D8E1@concentric.net> Ahh... I should have included. To my ears, the most accurate amps turned out to be the Aragon 8008 amps (8008ST for the dual channel, 8008X3 for the triple channel -- all 200WPC into 8 ohms, 400WPC into 4 ohms). They are extremely well built. They list for $2000 and $2500 respectively, but I got both at substantial discount. Other contenders were the Brystons, that sounded the same with maybe even better build quality, but were more expensive. The Classe power amps of similar power output (I forget model numbers and prices) suffered from lower availability in my area and higher street prices. In addition, their face plates were silver (I preferred black). The corresponding Krell amps were energetically pushed by the dealer, but were audibly less accurate than the others (at least, to my ears. Some friends disagreed vehemently). The Denon POA-8002 and POA-8003 (130WPC) were a sweet deal at $500 per channel list. However, once loaded by less than friendly speakers, they were no longer accurate. I never got around to auditioning Parasound amps, even though they were on my list. -- Ron britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > WOW Ron, > > what a great theory. Can anybody out there in Nakland put > a brand and model # on Ron's ideal amp! > > Brian Stocker > > Ron wrote: > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite > > >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the > > >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. > > >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. > > >> What does a Krell system or some of the other > > >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? > > > > > > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality > > > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of > > > diminishing return? > > > > Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous > > 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). > > > > To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency > > response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero > > noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In > > short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, > > except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with > > gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > > sound exactly alike. > > > > Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can > > we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier > > that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. > > We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them > > merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound > > exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect > > the signal, except to amplify it. > > > > Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate > > amps on the market, your question arises: how much > > should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is > > ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the > > lowest priced one represents the best price point. > > > > This simplistic view does not provide the whole > > answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of > > the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but > > also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). > > Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say > > that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a > > difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate > > audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically > > related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing > > affect it just as much. The latter is directly > > related to advertising coverage (the more you > > advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask > > Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. > > > > So, my subjective answer to your question is: it > > depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, > > on whether you actually want an accurate amp. > > Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, > > aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each > > must do our own research, identify our actual goals > > and wishes, then choose accordingly. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Brian Stocker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Sep 27 19:12:46 2001 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:12:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9738@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I'd buy the 582Z and sell the 480. You'll be going to a 3-head deck with tape monitoring function and the 582 has the Nak heads where the 480 I believe has a sendust head. When I bought my 581 back in 1980 I side by side tested the 481 and 581. Upon playback the 481 did not reproduce the top end like the 581. The 581 was superior. The 581 is a 582 minus the tape monitoring function. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Herrman [SMTP:jherrman at fas.harvard.edu] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z > > > Any thoughts on a 582z? There's one available locally for $150, with a > 30 day warranty. Seems like a good deal, and I'm about to go look it > over. I already have a 480 and 680zx though so perhaps it's a little > redundant. Never too many I suppose! --Jud > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 27 19:12:19 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:12:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z References: <200109271542.LAA05452@herrman.road> Message-ID: With this deck Jud, you will get the same sound than with you 680ZX (perhaps even more direct ), moreover you will have the great advantage of the Dolby C ! This deck know very well what is music ! The full manual calibration of this deck is very useful. A must ! Grab it & you bid farwell to the 480 !!! This is the kind of Hifi component that let you forget its look by its sound... ...in its case, the game should have been hard and in fact, is won ! Best regards, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z > > Any thoughts on a 582z? There's one available locally for $150, with a > 30 day warranty. Seems like a good deal, and I'm about to go look it > over. I already have a 480 and 680zx though so perhaps it's a little > redundant. Never too many I suppose! --Jud ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 27 19:45:44 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:45:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> PA-7II is a steal at $500 & they are pretty darn bulletproof reliable. Original retail, if memory serves, was somewhere around $1800. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > Direct Thanks Stephen ... :-) Yes it's the clutch that slipped, I'll > restretch the springs ... and install a 'crystal' head on it and will report > the result soon. > > Another question ... do you think a PA7II amp really worth $500 ? Anybody > know the original msrp ? Is it a relatively 'trouble-free' amp ? > (wondering if I have to look thoroughly whether it has been repaired or > not). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:51 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch > > > > If you are sure it is the reel table clutches slipping, rather than the > > idler, then what you have to do is remove the reel tables(which means > > separating the two major transport chassis plates), take them apart & > > re-stretch the pressure springs. If you can find appropriate sticky-back > > felt, you could also replace the clutch pad rings. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 27 19:55:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:55:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB21BBB.2FBD6174@concentric.net> <03a101c146e7$df032700$493442cf@sank1> <3BB33710.68BC8827@concentric.net> Message-ID: <04b101c1477d$aac4e8c0$493442cf@sank1> Actually, Ron, you definitely get the benefit of increased amp power with passive biamping, as there is no current load on the unused frequency band. On most amps, this absence of current load means that the IM is tremendously reduced. As for woofer damping, that would depend very largely on the quality of the passive crossover. Even the best active filters most certainly introduce anomalous colorations of their own. I believe that a speaker with passive xover components such as I use(foil inductors, polypropylene & styrene film caps & NO resistors or other compensation components) will easily have as little coloration as the best active xovers, and far less than most actives. I also believe it is much harder to make a speaker sound "coherent" with an active crossover than with an excellent passive. Just ask any Apogee Diva owner. Finally, I think that the mid-tweeter cross is absolutely CRITICAL to the sound, so active triamping, I believe, should absolutely NOT be done unless with a 3-way active xover, if one is to expect the best result. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Actually, Ron, biamping using the speakers' passive crossovers is just as > > valid as using an electronic crossover. Each mode has it's positives & > > negatives. > > Well, let's list 'true' (or 'active', if you prefer) > bi-amping advantages, vs. 'false' (or 'passive', if > you prefer) bi-amping: > > 1. It eliminates amp IM distortion -- false bi-amping does > not. > > 2. It doubles the apparent power output of the amps -- false > bi-amping does not. > > 3. It dramatically increases the woofer damping -- false > bi-amping does not. > > Since I don't know of other bi-amping advantages: IMO, false > bi-amping offers no advantages over no biamping. > > > Personally, I prefer passive mode biamping most of the time, as > > I find the addition of active stages in the line level stages to be much > > more intrusive than the insertion of speaker-level components. > > In theory, coils (even air core) in the passive xover are > a source of coloration, as are the required large caps and > internal wiring of the internal xover. I agree that it is > easy to screw up an active xover design (and some > manufacturers apparently do). But, IMHO, a good active > xover design will outperform a good (and more expensive) > passive xover design. > > > It needs to be clarified, when a reviewer speaks of biamping, especially > > relative to non-biamping, which mode of it they are speaking of, and, if > > active crossover mode, whether or not the amps have direct connection to the > > drivers, without going through the speaker crossovers, and also what active > > crossover is used. > > No question about that. > > > It also needs to be noted that a 3-way speaker system which is not triamped, > > with an active 3-way xover, is using a combination of active/passive, as the > > output of the mid/treble amp must then be divided by the mid-tweeter section > > of the passive crossover. > > That's true. I think that tri-amping has little advantage > over bi-amping, since none of the advantages listed above > is particularly significant when applied between the mid > and treble speaker drivers. > > > Further, for proper operation in this mode, the > > high-pass section of the midrange xover must be bypassed. > > As far as the biwiring thing, I use biwire, but mainly because LAT, my > > favorite cable maker's best "bang for buck" speaker cable is their biwire > > model & is second only to their much more expensive top grade single cable. > > My front speakers are also bi-wired. This is a remnant > of listening tests I ran to verify claims for bi-wiring. > The conclusion was that bi-wiring made no audible > difference to anyone present. I left the cables there > (10AWG OFC cable for the woofer, 12AWG for the did/high) > out of pure laziness. > > -- Ron > > > > > I'd never heard of the "floating biwire" concept, but it is quite > > interesting. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > > As for bi amping I have heard so many mid to hi end > > > > dealers present loudspeakers that were biampable > > > > bridged for single amp and suggest that biamping not > > > > a good idea. > > > > > > For bi-wiring, the input to the high and low xover > > > sections must be brought out separately. For bi-amping, > > > the speaker drivers connections must be brought out > > > and additionally, a way to disconnect the internal > > > xover must be provided as well. > > > > > > Most speakers are bi-wireable, but not bi-ampable. > > > > > > To bi-amp, each speaker driver must be *directly* > > > driven from a separate amp. The amps must be preceded > > > by an 'electronic xover'. This connection has audibly > > > demonstrable advantage. > > > > > > What people do is drive the bi-wiring inputs from > > > separate amps. This 'false biamping' misses the > > > advantages of 'true biamping'. People do it because > > > they just know (and therefore, hear) that biamping is > > > a good thing to do... Dealers that do not recommend > > > 'false biamping' should be commended. > > > > > > > Stephen as a speaker designer or Jim V. as a dealer > > > > could probably present very informed ideas about why, > > > > but it seems that a speaker should be either biampable > > > > or not (not meaning jumpers are highly inadvisable). > > > > The obvious is that this diminishes the flexibility of > > > > a speaker from a mktg. standpoint but this raises a > > > > really good question I can't answer; can a good > > > > crossover be good for both formats? > > > > > > The answer is 'No'. Bi-amping requires an electronic > > > xover to precede the amps. > > > > > > > A good > > > > article recently appeared in Listener (not sure what > > > > issue except that it was in 2001). The point of the > > > > article was that manufacturers should place crossovers > > > > outboard accusing some mfrs. of using pennies worth of > > > > xover material in speakers costing several thousand $$. > > > > The beauty of this format, I think, is one could CHOOSE > > > > crossovers or at least see what's in 'em! > > > > > > It is highly unlikely that the user can obtain good > > > results from a separately purchased xover. There is a > > > lot more to it than most users (or even techs) are > > > aware of. Most xovers incorporate at least some EQ, > > > that is very speaker design dependent. > > > > > > > As for amplifiers with a lot of "spunk", one does not > > > > need to buy a Krell! There are many great hi power > > > > amplifiers out there (My speakers have a meager 86 dB > > > > spl @ 8 ohms yet my McIntosh amp has never strained to > > > > hit peaks or sustain at levels louder than I care to > > > > hear) > > > > > > To be honest, Macintosh and Krell are in the same class; > > > namely: expensive. > > > > > > > Although this is off topic it is a really good question > > > > and is a little closer to topic than The Middle East > > > > (come on you guys, with all due respect, let's keep this > > > > topic off the group and email among yourselves those > > > > thoughts). Any thoughts on biamp topic would be much > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Two comments: first, bi-wiring does not make an audible > > > difference. This has been proved many times in *blind* > > > tests. Claims that it does have never been proved in blind > > > tests. > > > > > > Personally, I ran some listening tests and can attest to > > > the above. > > > > > > As to 'floating bi-wiring', this is the first I've heard > > > about it. As already noted, it is the same as wiring a > > > small cap in parallel with the speaker terminals and > > > should have the same effect (that is, zero; unless the > > > amp is of extremely poor design, in which case it can be > > > sonically detrimental). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian S. > > > > > > > > ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/25/01 10:25:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Does anyone there have yet experimented the floating biwiring ? > > > > > I would be glad someone having a try to it...it can be awfully > > improving, > > > > > better than normal bi-wiring !!! > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I've heard a number of opinions on biwiring and biamping in general, > > and it > > > > > seems that neither seems to hurt if you have the speaker terminals for > > it, > > > > > but that the benefits of biwiring at least, may be subtle at best. > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently bi-amping a pair of NHT 2.9s. And while I can't say > > that at > > > > > normal listening levels that I can tell any difference in sound > > quality, I > > > > > like the idea of separate amplification to the woofs and > > mid-woof/tweeter > > > > > sections. These speakers are notoriously power-hungry, and I'd think > > that > > > > > double the power of biamping and separating the amplification to the > > woofer > > > > > would drastically decrease amp clipping/distortion. > > > > > > > > > > However: a recent Stereophile review of the REVEL Salon stated that > > they felt > > > > > that the Salon, and other bi-amp-able speakers in general lose > > coherence if > > > > > they are biamped, and that the preferred method would be to power them > > > > > single-amped with a much more powerful unit. Like we can all afford > > Krell or > > > > > Boulder! > > > > > > > > > > Any comments on this? I was surprised to hear it from Stereophile, of > > all > > > > > places... > > > > > > > > > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 27 20:02:07 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:02:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z References: <200109271542.LAA05452@herrman.road> Message-ID: <04b701c1477e$861d40c0$493442cf@sank1> The 582Z is an excellent deck(although I much prefer the analog meters on the 582), but it does have similar mech & circuitry "issues" to the 480. Before you buy it, pop off the door window, close the door & hit play. Make sure both pinch rollers quickly snap up to the capstans. Then reach in with a finger & push down on each roller. Make sure that each one exhibits no sluggishness(grease hardening) & snaps right back up. Then, load a TDK MA, MA-X or Maxell MX-S tape & engage record. Turn the tone knob to 400Hz, monitor to Tape, then check that the tone is recorded at or near 0VU on the meters. Then, switch to 15kHz & do the same. If 15kHz is way off, see that it can be brought in range with the left/right bias trimmers on the front panel. If these tests are passed, then you can buy it with a great deal of confidence. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] thoughts on 582z > > Any thoughts on a 582z? There's one available locally for $150, with a > 30 day warranty. Seems like a good deal, and I'm about to go look it > over. I already have a 480 and 680zx though so perhaps it's a little > redundant. Never too many I suppose! --Jud > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 27 20:10:16 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:10:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480 problem References: <200109271554.LAA05464@herrman.road> Message-ID: <04c101c1477f$aa136120$493442cf@sank1> The crackling sound may well be related to the reel motor. If, in fact, you can see the brass pulley of the motor stuttering/halting, then the motor's brushes are likely close to wearing into pieces. While playing, see if using a finger to stop the reel motor for a brief moment stops the crackling. If yes, the reel motor needs to be replaced. The whirring sound is the mode control belt slipping. It is a common 5.0" circumference, square-cut belt, of about 0.06" thickness, but anything from 0.04-0.08 will work fine. Almost any electronics supply store, other than Radio Shack, should be able to supply one. It is installed on the large, white pulley that you can see through a big cutout in the back of the transport chassis & goes around the pulley of the small motor right below it. No disassembly, other than top & bottom covers removal, is required. However, the belt slippage can be hastened by the grease hardening problem I mentioned with the 582Z, so check that both pinch rollers snap right back up when pushed down during play. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Herrman" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] 480 problem > My 480 has developed an annoying problem: when it begins playing there > is a ``crackling'' sound in the output for about 10 seconds, which > eventually fades out. The take-up reel seems to be struggling with a > sputtering irregularity that eventually stabalizes too. I've also > noticed that when the heads engage there is a ``whirring'' noise that > used to be very brief and has gradually become longer and longer. Now > the noise seems to last a minute or two. By contrast, on my 680zx the > same noise occurs for only an instant. Any ideas? After two or three > minutes of playing thhe deck sounds/works as good as ever. --Jud > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 26 20:49:21 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:49:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000601c146bb$f52d4d20$e4289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, I just missed another PA7II *and* a Nak preamp (not sure what model) both for $500 !! I'll sell my old amps to get this PA7II. Back to 482 ... clutch slipping in the meantime was fixed by adding another layer of felt. The big news is using crystal head (looks very much like darkish akai head) on this deck ! Space & mounting is still a bit of a problem though. But with temporary glue I got good response but lots of noise on hi freq area. The 'crystal' head has almost similar dc resistance with P-8L, 220 ohm. Anyways after 30 min playing, by the time I'm about to report this success, suddenly there are weird noises like high frequency oscillation which even leaks a bit through muting transistor. Oh well .... maybe a sendust pioneer head will do. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > PA-7II is a steal at $500 & they are pretty darn bulletproof reliable. > Original retail, if memory serves, was somewhere around $1800. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Sep 27 20:50:31 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:50:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1356 In-Reply-To: <200109271728.TAA07384@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Another "small" difference is that the Jews were > fighting for their own land. The Arabs are fighting > for land that was never theirs. As a matter of fact, they both claim it's their land ... that's the problem ! And the native Americans say : "How can you own the land or the air ?" Some other thoughts : - Erich Honecker, former president of the DDR (East Germany), who gave orders to kill all people trying to escape to Western-Germany, and was so responsible for the death of several hundreds of people, before going on trial in the unified Germany, said that he didn't break any law of his country ... and he was right . - The terrorists in Europe when it was occupied by the Germans, were called heroes when the Germans were defeated . - When you accept that the final responsibility for the acts of the army are with the president, about every American president is responsible for the killing of more innocent foreigners than any terrorist . - What exactly is an American, an Englishman, a Belgian .... an Israeli and to what degree does that justify claims on land ? Try out the definition you give on the people living in the Middle-East ! - Some of the real powers that make or influence decisions are the politicians, the multinationals and/or big companies, the lobbyists, the religious leaders, the unions, the people with really BIG money, people having a really important job (e.g. Alan Greenspan), the royals (only in some countries), the military ... and many others . Of those, only the politicians can - in some cases - claim that they are elected by ordinary people (and they know that they can influence and/or manipulate those, otherwise they wouldn't spend that much money on their campaigns) . To what extent are we right when we say we're living in a democracy ? - I think it was Ghandi who said that if you stick to the principle of "an eye for an eye", the whole world will end up being blind . All this to say that things aren't as simple as they may seem at first sight ... personally I think that every killing of a human being is a bad thing, for whatever reason . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Sep 27 21:54:30 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:54:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <000601c146bb$f52d4d20$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their ability to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! Misha >problem though. But with temporary glue I got good response but lots of >noise on hi freq area. The 'crystal' head has almost similar dc resistance >with P-8L, 220 ohm. > >Anyways after 30 min playing, by the time I'm about to report this success, >suddenly there are weird noises like high frequency oscillation which even >leaks a bit through muting transistor. Oh well .... maybe a sendust pioneer >head will do. > >Best regards, >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 27 21:32:52 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:32:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> <000601c146bb$f52d4d20$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hello Salim! Can you tell me what is your old amps ? On your 482 head replacement, try to solder a ground wire to the shield (metal case)of the head that you connect to the best ground source you find (be aware of the ground loops). I think that is the glue you used that was keeping the metal surface (head&mouning plate)so so contacted, and with time as you report, the contact was off, explaining why you face those parasite noise-hum-hifreq... Anyway, you aren't afraid by experiment, I like it ;o) On the reel torque & felt, once I have dismounted by accident a reel hub of my beloved 582, it was very tricky to find a clue, but I succeed, and I get then the opportunity to clean & lightly scratch the inner circular strays and to drop on the felt a light amount of colophon reduced in powder, all this to ameliorate the torque, of course. Best, Matyas PS: when you get your PA-7II, give me please your thoughts about the Floating Bi-wiring !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > Thanks Stephen, I just missed another PA7II *and* a Nak preamp (not sure > what model) both for $500 !! I'll sell my old amps to get this PA7II. > > Back to 482 ... clutch slipping in the meantime was fixed by adding another > layer of felt. The big news is using crystal head (looks very much like > darkish akai head) on this deck ! Space & mounting is still a bit of a > problem though. But with temporary glue I got good response but lots of > noise on hi freq area. The 'crystal' head has almost similar dc resistance > with P-8L, 220 ohm. > > Anyways after 30 min playing, by the time I'm about to report this success, > suddenly there are weird noises like high frequency oscillation which even > leaks a bit through muting transistor. Oh well .... maybe a sendust pioneer > head will do. > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 21:58:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:58:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1356 References: Message-ID: <3BB384E2.D9EC81D1@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > > Another "small" difference is that the Jews were > > fighting for their own land. The Arabs are fighting > > for land that was never theirs. > > As a matter of fact, they both claim it's their land ... > that's the problem! Claims are a dime a dozen. > And the native Americans say : "How can you own the land or the air ?" > Some other thoughts : > - Erich Honecker, former president of the DDR (East Germany), who gave > orders to kill all people trying to escape to Western-Germany, and was so > responsible for the death of several hundreds of people, before going on > trial in the unified Germany, said that he didn't break any law of his > country ... and he was right. > - The terrorists in Europe when it was occupied by the Germans, were called > heroes when the Germans were defeated. > - When you accept that the final responsibility for the acts of the army are > with the president, about every American president is responsible for the > killing of more innocent foreigners than any terrorist. But, of course. He who kills his neighbor is a despicable murderer. He who kill in war is a brave hero. > - What exactly is an American, an Englishman, a Belgian .... an Israeli and > to what degree does that justify claims on land? Try out the definition you > give on the people living in the Middle-East! That's easy. Land belongs to the first people (as in 'nation', not individuals) that occupied it. The Arabs claim (and it's generally accepted) that land taken in war still belongs to the defeated. IOW, in our culture, annexation is not acceptable. The Jews had an empire in the areas that are now Israel, Jordan and parts of Syria and Lebanon, as far back as 3500 years ago (way before Arabs even existed). There has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land of Israel ever since. The 'Palestinians' (A misnomer. 20% of Israeli Jews are 'Palestinians') claim the land because they lived there for generations, though they never ruled it and it was never an Arab state. By the same token, the Arab community living in Alabama for many generations could claim it owns the state... > - Some of the real powers that make or influence decisions are the > politicians, the multinationals and/or big companies, the lobbyists, the > religious leaders, the unions, the people with really BIG money, people > having a really important job (e.g. Alan Greenspan), the royals (only in > some countries), the military ... and many others . Of those, only the > politicians can - in some cases - claim that they are elected by > ordinary people (and they know that they can influence and/or manipulate > those, otherwise they wouldn't spend that much money on their campaigns) . > To what extent are we right when we say we're living in a democracy? > - I think it was Ghandi who said that if you stick to the principle of "an > eye for an eye", the whole world will end up being blind . > > All this to say that things aren't as simple as they may seem at first sight No one says things are simple. Least of all, in the ME. > ... personally I think that every killing of a human being is a bad thing, > for whatever reason. You can say that again. Regards, -- Ron > > Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Sep 27 22:23:58 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:23:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1358 In-Reply-To: <200109272017.WAA08379@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > The Jews had an empire in the areas that are now > Israel, Jordan and parts of Syria and Lebanon, as > far back as 3500 years ago (way before Arabs even > existed). There has been a continuous Jewish > presence in the land of Israel ever since. Hi Ron, not to continue an endless discussion (it's not really NAKtalk anymore ), but I don't think that the situation some 3500 years ago can be proven sufficiently to be accepted by anyone convinced of the opposite . I know that what you say is widely accepted in the Western world, but since the 3500 years old bones of a Palestinian and a Jew are quite similar, I don't think anyone can really prove this point of view . To return somehow to what this list is all about : I use a Soundcraftsmen pre-amplifier, built using "wire-wrapping" instead of soldering, of which they claimed at that time, that is was better . Is this technique still used nowadays, and what was/is it worth ? Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 22:31:52 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:31:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! In-Reply-To: <3BB34178.A91A6F6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000201c14793$70e36580$996087d9@a4s1s2> Another "small" difference is that the Jews were fighting for their own land. The Arabs are fighting for land that was never theirs. -- Ron Not quite, Ron. The land hadn't belonged to the Jews for centuries and it had been promised to the Arabs by the British as reward for helping them during the war against the Germans. We reneged on that promise and gave it up to Jewish immigrants instead. Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 22:31:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:31:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring In-Reply-To: <3BB3305A.B54C6516@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000301c14793$72192660$996087d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Ron. Incidentally, when I used the same cable and speakers with my Eico ST70 tube amp it sounded much the better if I used only one set of cable. Presently, I'm back to using the Quad 44 with 2 x mono 405 power amps and starting to like this combination again altho' I miss the Eico's smooth phono stage. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 27 September 2001 14:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring Graham, bi-wiring does *not* double up the wire. However, running a second wire in parallel does. If the original wire is inadequate, then a parallel run will certainly provide the improvements you list. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 27 22:31:56 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:31:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT In-Reply-To: <3BB33A52.D6B1EB67@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c14793$732d5580$996087d9@a4s1s2> Cellist? Even better! Thanks for this tip - I'll try to find the recording at the weekend. If you like emotional Cello playing, try Jacqueline Dupre's version of the Elgar Cello Concerto, preferably the one she recorded with Benjamin Brittan. It may not be technically perfect but the raw emotion that flows out of her through the instrument and into the music is enough to draw tears from my eyes. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 27 September 2001 15:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: .... and why I listen to music: OT Ofra Harnoy is a Canadian cellist. Easily world class. Listen to her Tchaikovsky Rococo Variations -- it's like angels singing. Her Vivaldi cello concertos are also tops (provided you are into that sort of thing). And, of course, her 'Imagine' is fabulous. At the risk of appearing as a sexist pig -- she also happens to be an exceedingly attractive woman. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Thu Sep 27 22:32:08 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:32:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <20010927194610.3bb3820220290@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Oopps!! Misha had enlighted me !! The head you put in this nak is the Akai one, made of glass ?!?!!! No shield so... I thought too quickly by reading Crystal head about an head derivated of Crystalloy. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > > > > > On your 482 head replacement, try to solder a ground wire to the shield > > (metal case)of the head that you connect to the best ground source you > find > > (be aware of the ground loops). > > I think that is the glue you used that was keeping the metal surface > > (head&mouning plate)so so contacted, and with time as you report, the > > contact was off, explaining why you face those parasite > noise-hum-hifreq... > > Anyway, you aren't afraid by experiment, I like it ;o) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ChefBum at aol.com Thu Sep 27 23:06:36 2001 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:06:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: <26.1bf11825.28e4eedc@aol.com> Hello all, thank you for all of your knowledgeable comments on biamping speakers. I have some questions: << Actually, Ron, you definitely get the benefit of increased amp power with passive biamping, as there is no current load on the unused frequency band. On most amps, this absence of current load means that the IM is tremendously reduced. As for woofer damping, that would depend very largely on the quality of the passive crossover. How can I tell if my speaker system is passive or actively biamped? I have NHT's 2.9s, which like most biamp-able speaker systems, has two sets of terminals for biamping but no external crossovers, boxes, etc... Even the best active filters most certainly introduce anomalous colorations of their own. I believe that a speaker with passive xover components such as I use(foil inductors, polypropylene & styrene film caps & NO resistors or other compensation components) will easily have as little coloration as the best active xovers, and far less than most actives. I also believe it is much harder to make a speaker sound "coherent" with an active crossover than with an excellent passive. Just ask any Apogee Diva owner. >> At least M&K, and probably a number of other speaker manufacturers seem to agree that passive (and preferably first-order (shallow slope)) crossovers provide the best performance and accuracy. Does anybody know exactly what the new Meridian DSP models use? They are supposedly 'digital' loudspeakers, and expensive ones at that! Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Sep 27 23:31:11 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:31:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1358 References: Message-ID: <3BB39A9F.3EE91B8F@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > > The Jews had an empire in the areas that are now > > Israel, Jordan and parts of Syria and Lebanon, as > > far back as 3500 years ago (way before Arabs even > > existed). There has been a continuous Jewish > > presence in the land of Israel ever since. > > Hi Ron, > > not to continue an endless discussion (it's not really NAKtalk anymore ), > but I don't think that the situation some 3500 years ago can be proven > sufficiently to be accepted by anyone convinced of the opposite . I know > that what you say is widely accepted in the Western world, but since the > 3500 years old bones of a Palestinian and a Jew are quite similar, I don't > think anyone can really prove this point of view . I don't think anyone, including Arabs, disputes the historical facts I presented. If you are interested in ME history of that era, see the first few chapters of Howard Fast's 'The Jews, Story of a People'. In spite of some inaccuracies, it makes for fascinating reading. > To return somehow to what this list is all about : I use a Soundcraftsmen > pre-amplifier, built using "wire-wrapping" instead of soldering, of which > they claimed at that time, that is was better . Is this technique still used > nowadays, and what was/is it worth ? AFAIK, wire wrapping is used mainly (only?) for breadboards. It's 'better' than other breadboarding techniques (the connection points are gas tight), but has no advantage over properly soldered PCB construction. Due to routing issues, it is not the best for critical analog circuitry. -- Ron > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Thu Sep 27 23:54:28 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:54:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> <3BB32F5D.40522955@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001a01c1479e$fd42c1a0$9f8855c3@amd> Hello Ron, Many years ago i read a article of a test made by a hifi magazin and in that article the nakamichi distributeur exactly said the same: Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > sound exactly alike. This nakamichi distributor also imports in the Netherlands Quad amps. The guy from the hifi magazin disagree with that statement so there has place a A - B compare test between a Quad (405) and an other (high end ) amp. The people who listened in this test must say or the amp was a Quad or the other amp and they choose about 50% good . The distributor seems to be right. Strange enough does that test not compare with my own conclusions. There are (in mine opinion) differences between Amps. But what is good or not? I guess that a good amp gives back what you put in, louder of course , but not different. It must be possible to measure this. Maybe is a good amp a amp where you are satisfied with. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite > >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the > >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. > >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. > >> What does a Krell system or some of the other > >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? > > > > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality > > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of > > diminishing return? > > Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous > 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). > > To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency > response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero > noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In > short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, > except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with > gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > sound exactly alike. > > Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can > we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier > that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. > We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them > merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound > exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect > the signal, except to amplify it. > > Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate > amps on the market, your question arises: how much > should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is > ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the > lowest priced one represents the best price point. > > This simplistic view does not provide the whole > answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of > the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but > also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). > Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say > that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a > difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate > audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically > related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing > affect it just as much. The latter is directly > related to advertising coverage (the more you > advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask > Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. > > So, my subjective answer to your question is: it > depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, > on whether you actually want an accurate amp. > Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, > aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each > must do our own research, identify our actual goals > and wishes, then choose accordingly. > > -- Ron > > > > Thanks > > > > Brian Stocker > > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 00:51:25 2001 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:51:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damn those terrorists/freedom fighters ! References: <000201c14793$70e36580$996087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB3AD6D.CD4D025C@yahoo.com> Hey guys I was going to keep my mouth shut but I feel I must speak. Since we are on the subject of the M.E. I feel that it is necessary to clear up a centrally important matter. The entire issue of who belongs in the region begins as far back as O.T. days but I don't remember that far so it doesn't matter. The controversy really becomes what we see today as far back as 2000 years ago in the days of Christ and this is precicely where the misconceptions about the region and it's people begin. Allow me to illuminate you. Contrary to common understanding, the three way struggle between Christ, the Jews and the Romans had nothing to do with religion, race or nationalism. That's right, it was actually a dispute about mathematics! Arithmetics to be precise. Why do you think they nailed the guy to a plus sign! Javier Graham Nelson wrote: > > Another "small" difference is that the Jews were > fighting for their own land. The Arabs are fighting > for land that was never theirs. > > -- Ron > > Not quite, Ron. The land hadn't belonged to the Jews for centuries and it > had been promised to the Arabs by the British as reward for helping them > during the war against the Germans. We reneged on that promise and gave it > up to Jewish immigrants instead. Gra' > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 28 01:48:21 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:48:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Maybe is a good amp a amp where you are satisfied with" In-Reply-To: <001a01c1479e$fd42c1a0$9f8855c3@amd> Message-ID: <000d01c147ae$e39292c0$996087d9@a4s1s2> Norm' said: IMO, I think you're spot on, Norman: With any hi fi, what's good for you is what pleases your ear and not necessarily what pleases anyone else's. For instance, my wife would be happy for the music to come outta baked bean cans ... and SHE is a sound engineer!! Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 27 03:09:59 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:09:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <000601c146bb$f52d4d20$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002d01c146f1$ba10a440$ea289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Misha & Matyas for your 'support' :-) This one's not made for akai (different resistance, I still have my original gxc325d) but looks really similar. The store said that some pioneer and aiwa models also use this head. iirc pioneer ctf1250 also uses a darkish 'crystal' head. I'll give a sendust head a try tonight to see if it makes any difference. Strangely, I pulled out the pcb connector to find which part went bad - both are OK ! PCB without head didn't emanate HF oscillation, also head windings still good. Put connector back on, and the 'nakai' is working again ! Well, my choice is limited to original head with rolled off HF and to this crystal with HF noise ... (I'll get a genuine P-8L if it were for a ZX7) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > Hi Salim, > > Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their ability > to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! > > Misha > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 28 08:02:50 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:32:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring Message-ID: <007b01c147e3$35921940$42d60192@vsnl> Best policy would be to buy and forget about upgrading an amp that you like listening to - However a good amp according to me would be the one that can drive many different speakers without difficulty ( ofcourse all other specs like Distortion , S/N ratio etc within acceptable level). Generally such amps will sound nice and may not add too much colouration. kannan -----Original Message----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring >Hello Ron, > >Many years ago i read a article of a test made by a hifi magazin and in that >article the nakamichi distributeur exactly said the same: > >Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) >> sound exactly alike. > >This nakamichi distributor also imports in the Netherlands Quad amps. >The guy from the hifi magazin disagree with that statement so there has >place a A - B compare test between a Quad (405) and an other (high end ) >amp. > >The people who listened in this test must say or the amp was a Quad or the >other amp and they choose about 50% good . The distributor seems to be >right. > >Strange enough does that test not compare with my own conclusions. There are >(in mine opinion) differences between Amps. But what is good or not? I guess >that a good amp gives back what you put in, louder of course , but not >different. It must be possible to measure this. Maybe is a good amp a amp >where you are satisfied with. > > >Norman >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:53 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > >> britri at pacbell.net wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite >> >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the >> >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. >> >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. >> >> What does a Krell system or some of the other >> >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? >> > >> > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality >> > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of >> > diminishing return? >> >> Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous >> 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). >> >> To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency >> response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero >> noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In >> short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, >> except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with >> gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) >> sound exactly alike. >> >> Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can >> we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier >> that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. >> We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them >> merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound >> exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect >> the signal, except to amplify it. >> >> Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate >> amps on the market, your question arises: how much >> should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is >> ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the >> lowest priced one represents the best price point. >> >> This simplistic view does not provide the whole >> answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of >> the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but >> also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). >> Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say >> that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a >> difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate >> audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically >> related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing >> affect it just as much. The latter is directly >> related to advertising coverage (the more you >> advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask >> Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. >> >> So, my subjective answer to your question is: it >> depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, >> on whether you actually want an accurate amp. >> Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, >> aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each >> must do our own research, identify our actual goals >> and wishes, then choose accordingly. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> > Thanks >> > >> > Brian Stocker >> > >> >> > > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Sep 28 08:05:54 2001 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:35:54 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II Message-ID: <008001c147e3$a2288f80$42d60192@vsnl> Salim I have a brand new Nakamichi Sendust head of BX1 - I bought it long back and never used. I can give it to you at half the price that I got. But I hope that head would suite your 480? Incase you are interested contact me off nalktalk Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > >Thanks Misha & Matyas for your 'support' :-) > >This one's not made for akai (different resistance, I still have my original >gxc325d) but looks really similar. The store said that some pioneer and >aiwa models also use this head. iirc pioneer ctf1250 also uses a darkish >'crystal' head. I'll give a sendust head a try tonight to see if it makes >any difference. > >Strangely, I pulled out the pcb connector to find which part went bad - both >are OK ! PCB without head didn't emanate HF oscillation, also head windings >still good. Put connector back on, and the 'nakai' is working again ! >Well, my choice is limited to original head with rolled off HF and to this >crystal with HF noise ... (I'll get a genuine P-8L if it were for a ZX7) > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Mironov" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > >> Hi Salim, >> >> Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their >ability >> to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! >> >> Misha >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > Hello all, thank you for all of your knowledgeable comments on biamping > speakers. I have some questions: > > << Actually, Ron, you definitely get the benefit of increased amp power with > passive biamping, as there is no current load on the unused frequency band. > On most amps, this absence of current load means that the IM is tremendously > reduced. > As for woofer damping, that would depend very largely on the quality of the > passive crossover. > > How can I tell if my speaker system is passive or actively biamped? I have > NHT's 2.9s, which like most biamp-able speaker systems, has two sets of > terminals for biamping but no external crossovers, boxes, etc... > > Even the best active filters most certainly introduce anomalous colorations > of their own. I believe that a speaker with passive xover components such > as I use(foil inductors, polypropylene & styrene film caps & NO resistors or > other compensation components) will easily have as little coloration as the > best active xovers, and far less than most actives. > I also believe it is much harder to make a speaker sound "coherent" with an > active crossover than with an excellent passive. Just ask any Apogee Diva > owner. >> > > At least M&K, and probably a number of other speaker manufacturers seem to > agree that passive (and preferably first-order (shallow slope)) crossovers > provide the best performance and accuracy. Does anybody know exactly what > the new Meridian DSP models use? They are supposedly 'digital' loudspeakers, > and expensive ones at that! > > Dave > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Sep 28 15:21:03 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:21:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <7d.1b706043.28e219ba@aol.com> <3BB2121C.532B2D4F@pacbell.net> <3BB247CF.72D48320@pacbell.net> <3BB32F5D.40522955@concentric.net> <001a01c1479e$fd42c1a0$9f8855c3@amd> Message-ID: <3BB4793F.81DE48C3@concentric.net> Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hello Ron, > > Many years ago i read a article of a test made by a hifi magazin and in that > article the nakamichi distributeur exactly said the same: > > Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > > sound exactly alike. > > This nakamichi distributor also imports in the Netherlands Quad amps. > The guy from the hifi magazin disagree with that statement so there has > place a A - B compare test between a Quad (405) and an other (high end ) > amp. > > The people who listened in this test must say or the amp was a Quad or the > other amp and they choose about 50% good . The distributor seems to be > right. > > Strange enough does that test not compare with my own conclusions. There are > (in mine opinion) differences between Amps. Norman, if there is an audible difference between two amps, then at least one (and possibly both) are not accurate. > But what is good or not? I guess > that a good amp gives back what you put in, louder of course , but not > different. Exactly. > It must be possible to measure this. It is, though sometimes, it's not easy. > Maybe is a good amp a amp where you are satisfied with. My opinion, Exactly. -- Ron > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > britri at pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for your response, Ron. Your answers are quite > > >> clear and revealing. However, I thought Krell and the > > >> like were some of the most expensive amps out there. > > >> I bought my McIntosh MC2600, 600 wpc for $4000.00. > > >> What does a Krell system or some of the other > > >> amps I see in magazines like The Absloute Sound cost? > > > > > > What do you feel one must or should pay for a quality > > > amp? and at what price do we go beyond the point of > > > diminishing return? > > > > Let me try a swat at this, starting with Ron's famous > > 'Ideal Amplifier' theory :-). > > > > To define the Ideal Amp: it has very wide frequency > > response, zero distortion, zero phase shift, zero > > noise, absolute stability, etc., etc., etc.. In > > short, the ideal amp has zero effect on the signal, > > except for amplifying it (the proverbial 'wire with > > gain'). Obviously, all ideal amps should (and do) > > sound exactly alike. > > > > Ideal amps do not exist, but the question arises: can > > we build an amp that is so close to the ideal amplifier > > that it sounds exactly like it? I believe that we can. > > We can't call such amps 'ideal', so let's call them > > merely 'accurate'. Again, all accurate amps sound > > exactly alike, because none of them *audibly* affect > > the signal, except to amplify it. > > > > Well, if we agree that there are quite a few accurate > > amps on the market, your question arises: how much > > should an accurate amp cost? Well, the answer is > > ostensibly simple: since they all sound alike, the > > lowest priced one represents the best price point. > > > > This simplistic view does not provide the whole > > answer. First, amp accuracy depends on the rest of > > the audio reproduction chain (mostly, speakers, but > > also the driving component; usually, the pre-amp). > > Second, accurate amps are not ideal -- who's to say > > that someone, out there, cannot actually hear a > > difference? Third, some people prefer inaccurate > > audio reproduction. Fourth, cost is not solely sonically > > related. Reliability, build quality and Marketing > > affect it just as much. The latter is directly > > related to advertising coverage (the more you > > advertise, the higher the price you can charge; ask > > Bose, they know all about it) and to brand appeal. > > > > So, my subjective answer to your question is: it > > depends. First, on the rest of your system. Second, > > on whether you actually want an accurate amp. > > Finally, on what you are willing to pay for reliability, > > aesthetics (build quality) and market allure. We each > > must do our own research, identify our actual goals > > and wishes, then choose accordingly. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Brian Stocker > > > > > >> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Fri Sep 28 17:02:19 2001 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:02:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Class D Amplifiers Message-ID: <200109281501.f8SF11Z12811@opium.cwnet.com> Any opinions on digital amplifiers? Are they a good bet on where fine audio is heading? Thanks, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Sep 28 18:17:22 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:17:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Class D Amplifiers References: <200109281501.f8SF11Z12811@opium.cwnet.com> Message-ID: <3BB4A292.759298AE@concentric.net> Rob Hamilton wrote: > > Any opinions on digital amplifiers? Are they a good bet on where fine > audio is heading? Thanks, Rob Class D amps aren't really 'digital'. They are more correctly referred to as 'switching amps'. On general principles, the less one does to the audio signal, the better. Class D amps do a lot to the signal. Thus, it takes more effort to make a class D amp sound as good as a conventional class AB (let alone, class A) amp. The main advantage of class D amps is higher efficiency, which leads to cooler running and better reliability. Another advantage: performance depends less on high power active device characteristics (but more on other components), as compared to class AB amps. These advantages serve the PA market far better than they do the high-end audio market. For this reason, I think, class D amps are still few and far between. Personally, I feel no urge to get one. AFAIK, there are no true digital amps on the market (I have no idea what the Meridian product does). The Apogee chipset, touted as 'digital amp', is basically a switching amp, but extends the technology to 3 state (rather than two) switching. It claims 30WPC at 'very low' distortion. Control functions are, indeed, digital -- as in any modern HT receiver. I don't know what audio products utilize this chipset. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there are a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? Would I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher current power amp? I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your help-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Sep 28 18:56:10 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:56:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BB4ABAA.40330330@concentric.net> ChefBum at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net > writes: > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or passive > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are set > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > bypassing the internal crossovers. > >> > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there are > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? Would > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher current > power amp? > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > help-- > As I have already stated, both bi-wiring and false bi-amping are a waste of effort and money. I realize that many audiophiles claim that bi-wiring improves the sound. In theory, it can make a very slight difference, but to date, no one has shown a single blind listening test that substantiates an improvement. There are quite a few documented tests that proved the opposite. True bi-amping does offer theoretical advantages. Whether these will materialize in your case depends on your equipment and listening environment. In any case, you will need to modify your speakers internal wiring to implement it. Before investing time and money in esoteric setups do make sure that your speaker cables are adequate. If not, replacing them may prove the most cost effective road to improvement. Expensive esoteric speakers cables are *not* cost effective. I suggest *adequate* standard low voltage OFC cable. The required gauge depends on your speakers minimum impedance (usually specified by the manufacturer) and cable length. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 27 19:08:00 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:08:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon needs work buy it now for $500 ! Message-ID: <000701c14776$f6b11d00$d7289bca@smarzuki> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279597269 good luck ! sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 28 21:43:54 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:43:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators In-Reply-To: <007b01c147e3$35921940$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000201c14855$e8476e60$00ef193e@a4s1s2> Guys I just seen the sales blurb ... it says "By elevating cables off the floor you eliminate static charge and you lower capacitance. The net effect is lower noise and increased dynamics. Another factor is the dampening of the natural modulation inherent to all cable. That is an electrical signal passing through a conductor (cabling) produces a desirable mechanical resonance that is dampened when placed on the floor. This also constricts dynamics and low level detail. Placing cables in free space would be ideal, the solution porcelain cable Elevators. Elevators are coated with a non-conductive glaze to further reduce noise ..." and they only cost £149.95 for 8 or £19.95 each!!! Hmmmm ... Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Which will able you to adjust the volume of the "built in sub woofer" (well in reality its just a woofer but I won't go there) if you go this route it will enable you to increase/or decrease the amount bass in the room. This is good if you are looking for the kind of bass that you get from an anoying car driving by. it also in theory allows you to get the bass to work better in your room but since this is not really frequency adjustable its not going to help with frequency nodes. and is not in the same league as Revel, Infinity or Vandersteens designs. Those have built in parametric eq's In the end your better off as Ron has stated and just getting a good single amp and decent speaker cables. And if you want to ever hear someone going against expensive speaker cables and speaker break in search for Ken kantors posts on the net (he was the original designer for NHT) Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Sep 28 22:47:48 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:47:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators References: <000201c14855$e8476e60$00ef193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB4E1F4.3198765D@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > I just seen the sales blurb ... it says > > "By elevating cables off the floor you eliminate static charge and you lower > capacitance. The net effect is lower noise and increased dynamics. Another > factor is the dampening of the natural modulation inherent to all cable. > That is an electrical signal passing through a conductor (cabling) produces > a desirable mechanical resonance that is dampened when placed on the floor. > This also constricts dynamics and low level detail. Placing cables in free > space would be ideal, the solution porcelain cable Elevators. Elevators are > coated with a non-conductive glaze to further reduce noise ..." and they > only cost £149.95 for 8 or £19.95 each!!! > > Hmmmm ... > > Graham > This sort of thing irritates me no end. This blurb is written to hoodwink people that have no idea what 'resonance', 'dynamics' or 'modulation' actually mean but are respectful of these highfalutin terms. They could just as well claim that their cable elevators purify the air, thus curing warts and/or bad breath. To start with, static charge can only develop when a cable moves across a carpet (which speaker cables normally do not). Even then -- only in very dry atmosphere. Once such charge develops, it does nothing to the sound; certainly, it cannot add noise, restrict dynamics or cause Pavarotti to sound like Madame Butterfly. The BS about 'desirable' resonance common to all cables is hilarious. This is simply a collections of words that have no meaning when strung together. The force between conductors carrying current is too small to matter in speaker cables. Even if it wasn't, the exact opposite to their claim is true -- any movement of the conductors should be damped (something the thick insulation, luckily, would do). In any case, this has NOTHING to do with low level detail or dynamics. Once they get the dolts with this rip-off blurb, they move for the kill: charging 30 bucks for a 50 cent item... Suckers of the world, unite!!! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 28 23:40:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:40:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Elevators In-Reply-To: <3BB4E1F4.3198765D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000801c14866$3bedf880$00ef193e@a4s1s2> Ron Said: This sort of thing irritates me no end. This blurb is written to hoodwink people that have no idea what 'resonance', 'dynamics' or 'modulation' actually mean but are respectful of these highfalutin terms. They could just as well claim that their cable elevators purify the air, thus curing warts and/or bad breath. To start with, static charge can only develop when a cable moves across a carpet (which speaker cables normally do not). Even then -- only in very dry atmosphere. Once such charge develops, it does nothing to the sound; certainly, it cannot add noise, restrict dynamics or cause Pavarotti to sound like Madame Butterfly. The BS about 'desirable' resonance common to all cables is hilarious. This is simply a collections of words that have no meaning when strung together. The force between conductors carrying current is too small to matter in speaker cables. Even if it wasn't, the exact opposite to their claim is true -- any movement of the conductors should be damped (something the thick insulation, luckily, would do). In any case, this has NOTHING to do with low level detail or dynamics. Once they get the dolts with this rip-off blurb, they move for the kill: charging 30 bucks for a 50 cent item... Suckers of the world, unite!!! -- Ron Ron Eloquently put! I'll bet you WERE that boy who screamed "The King's in the altogether ..."!!! Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 29 00:14:40 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:14:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> Message-ID: <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would use a tube amp for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less than smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very expensive, but if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably all original tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input level controls, to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, I'd use a >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what you already have. I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to run 2.9's, but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power tube or tube hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) could sound as good or better. And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate gauge", as Ron would have you believe. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net > writes: > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or passive > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are set > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > bypassing the internal crossovers. > >> > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there are > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? Would > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher current > power amp? > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > help-- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Sep 29 03:15:30 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:15:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB520B1.545EB0AA@snet.net> Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I used to spend hours comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an attempt to find just the right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a modified 300! I'm sure there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to pay off my second mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp literally knocked the socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against the best he had to offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can only wonder what Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going through some old issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote some of the most entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would use a tube amp > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less than > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very expensive, but > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably all original > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input level controls, > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, I'd use a > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what you already > have. > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to run 2.9's, > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power tube or tube > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) could sound > as good or better. > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net > > writes: > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > passive > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are > set > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > >> > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there > are > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > Would > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > current > > power amp? > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > > help-- > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 29 12:41:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:41:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> <3BB520B1.545EB0AA@snet.net> Message-ID: <070001c148d3$4d844d20$493442cf@sank1> Thanks for the great review, Ed. I'm interested to know what the other guy put up against it, if you can recall. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I used to spend hours > comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an attempt to find just the > right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a modified 300! I'm sure > there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to pay off my second > mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp literally knocked the > socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against the best he had to > offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can only wonder what > Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going through some old > issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote some of the most > entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would use a tube amp > > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less than > > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very expensive, but > > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably all original > > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input level controls, > > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, I'd use a > > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what you already > > have. > > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to run 2.9's, > > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power tube or tube > > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) could sound > > as good or better. > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > > passive > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are > > set > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there > > are > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > > Would > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > > current > > > power amp? > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > > > help-- > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 12:59:04 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:59:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <3BB4E1F4.3198765D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c148d5$c1107640$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> Guys Some advice is sought: I find that I must adjust each side of a cassette (in most cases TDK SA) differently to get the red light, altho' all the other settings are fine once they are set for Side A. This seems consistent between at least three different types of tape - TDK SA, BASF Chrome Super II and Sony (I forget which but it's a Chrome type with a very low profile shell.) This seems odd or is it strange just because this is unfamiliar to me?) Graham PS To amuse you ... I've just set up my second hi fi system around the Eico ST70 amp. This includes a Nak BX-1. Upon pressing play on the cassette deck I found there was a nasty low level hum coming from the Right channel. I checked the cables. Nothing. Still humming. I changed the cable. Still humming. I swapped the device. No hum. Uh oh! I thought. It's the Nak that's got a problem ... However, some of you may recall that my BX-1 came from one of our most our generous brothers, Stephen. and is a 110VA model. In the UK we have 240VA. So, I am using an outboard transformer .... You guessed it? I just moved the transformer 2" and the hum stopped!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com Sat Sep 29 15:07:03 2001 From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:07:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 References: <000001c148d5$c1107640$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hey ! this is absolutely normal Graham ! The azimuth adjustment of the rec head is available rightly because the shell of the cassette is something that uses to be very un accurate. As you may know, there is moulted tape guides all along the tape path of the shell. Two of these guides (the ones that are sided to the rec&pb head window) DETERMINATES the AZIMUTH. In other words, if they were perfectly perpendiculars to the tape direction and parallel to the capstans for example, there would not be Azimuth trouble, understand NO TAPE SKEW, keeping in mind that the PlayBack Head was set at factory perfectly perpendicular to the tape path, using high precision cassette shell. To be more clear, read that when the 2 famous built-in-the-shell tapes guides are lightly off the ideal angle, they leads the tape to be skewed in the head window...and so across the heads. And this, with all the combinations your tormented soul can reflect about...there is the reign of the randomness. The ZX-9 get rid of it by taking a mechanical reference from which it can *see* the skewing, thanks to a phase comparator. (then it is to you to adjust, helped with the LEDs ) This reference is the PlayBack Head.(-if both rec&pb head are azimuth matched, there is no phase diferences. -) Then while you record a 400 Hz tone and there is a tape skew, it just means that the shell you are using is not accurate (they are mostly!) OR (but it is closely linked) that the REC head is not aligned to the PlayBack Head (that is understandable due to its mobility and the absence of its mechanical reset's ability, you're forced to turn&turn...). Whether you find a tape that have no need for the ZX-9 to be readjusted on, after having recorded a side, well I must say the lone cassette of a batch you are about to finish is quite accurate... It exists some high reliability reference cassette as the TDK MA-XG, Sony Metal Master. (less expensive Basf TPII rererence maxima, old Sony UX-PRO..) These precision instruments have no place in a ZX-9 alchemist, it can yet do the best with any tape. I take the opportunity to congrats you for your excellent ZX-9, after a BX-1 WOOOW !!! Best, Matyas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 > Guys > > Some advice is sought: > > I find that I must adjust each side of a cassette (in most cases TDK SA) > differently to get the red light, altho' all the other settings are fine > once they are set for Side A. This seems consistent between at least three > different types of tape - TDK SA, BASF Chrome Super II and Sony (I forget > which but it's a Chrome type with a very low profile shell.) This seems > odd or is it strange just because this is unfamiliar to me?) > > Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Sep 29 15:48:08 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:48:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! Message-ID: <3d.121f2a96.28e72b18@aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/2001 8:42:25 AM Central Daylight Time, Nakamikaze at hotmail.com writes: << Yes I won it, thank you Sam for having let us know the auction !!!! In fact it it for Stefan, not Sank, but my best friend, he have the 1000ZXL Good day ! Matyas >> Congratulations Matyas! -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Sep 29 15:49:52 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:49:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! Message-ID: <119.55ff696.28e72b80@aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/2001 5:39:14 AM Central Daylight Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << Thanks for the great review, Ed. I'm interested to know what the other guy put up against it, if you can recall. >> I'd like to hear one of Stephen's amps myself. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 16:05:25 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:05:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB5D525.A775F422@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > [...] > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. Well, here we go again... As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' while I (just as positively) state that it offers absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! I could go on to technically explain my statement. Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking such knowledge, the reader won't understand the explanation... Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is in order. Problem here is that people in the know never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off the shelf product) and I know of no published test conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite difficult). So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such arguments related to high end audio): the reader is forced to choose between diametrically opposed opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit while lacking the necessary tools. The good news is that using a single high power, high quality amp provides most (though not all) the advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of power is already there, IM distortion is already very low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover resistance. The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do any harm, either. > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. Well, this is a horse of a different color, because different cables can have different electrical characteristics. If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any two speaker cables that have identical electrical characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only three such characteristics) will sound absolutely identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of course). Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite a few documented listening tests have proved this to be correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker cables. I humbly submit to the original poster that with your NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated listening room, there is no way on earth you will hear the difference between regular OFC cables (provided they meet the condition stated above) and a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically treated hall, though it could be true even for them. Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost always favouring the more expensive component). Good luck, -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net > > writes: > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > passive > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are > set > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > >> > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there > are > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > Would > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > current > > power amp? > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > > help-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Sep 29 16:35:41 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:35:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A very sharp looking 700 II for under $100.00 Message-ID: <141.25af319.28e7363d@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279839496 -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 16:53:26 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:53:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A very sharp looking 700 II for under $100.00 References: <141.25af319.28e7363d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BB5E066.529FCC9C@concentric.net> SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279839496 > > -Sam It's under a $100 with 9 days to go. I suspect bidding will heat up in a few days. It will cost another 100 or so to have it properly aligned and calibrated. A clean (or almost) 700 is very alluring. I had to sternly remind myself I don't need it and have no space for it -- I almost placed a bid... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Sep 29 17:02:57 2001 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:02:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A very sharp looking 700 II for under $100.00 Message-ID: <6f.1b5efec9.28e73ca1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/29/2001 9:55:27 AM Central Daylight Time, raah at concentric.net writes: << It's under a $100 with 9 days to go. I suspect bidding will heat up in a few days. It will cost another 100 or so to have it properly aligned and calibrated. A clean (or almost) 700 is very alluring. I had to sternly remind myself I don't need it and have no space for it -- I almost placed a bid... -- Ron ======== >> LOL - I understand Ron. It is a very alluring deck with nice looks, soft-touch controls, and a reputation for a "sweet" sound in both record and playback. If you don't use metal tapes, and you have room (e.g., it is tall rather than wide or long), it is a very nice deck to have. I too have to restrain myself as I wouldn't mind owning one myself. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 28 17:01:35 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:01:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] report on nakai crystal head References: <008001c147e3$a2288f80$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001101c14830$0a064e20$ec289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Misha, Kannan and all, A follow up report on transplanted 482 - pioneer's sendust head doing okay inside 482, though not as spectacular as 'generic' glass /crystal head. Playback is of course much better than worn P-8L and quite close to fresh Nak head, however, recording is a no-go. Here's the windings' resistance of the 'sandwich' type heads: Nak P-8L: pb - 200 ohm (100 ohm on 'center tap'), rec - 100 ohm Dark crystal: pb - 225 ohm, rec - 35 ohm Pioneer sendust: pb - 350 ohm, rec - 150 ohm Crystal playback is excellent while sendust is only so-so. Looks like crystal's HF oscillation problem was due to jumpered resistors (peaking ?) on pb amp. I removed one jumper and now it's working fine. Interestingly, despite the difference rec heads' resistances, the other two exhibited steep roll off and can't be corrected by bias trimpot. Sorry to bore you guys .... I thought this may be of interest to those who wonders if P-8L is the real Nak secret. To me now it looks like more on the electronics side, in addition to design overkill on mechanism. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > Salim > I have a brand new Nakamichi Sendust head of BX1 - I bought it long back and > never used. I can give it to you at half the price that I got. But I hope > that head would suite your 480? > Incase you are interested contact me off nalktalk > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > >Thanks Misha & Matyas for your 'support' :-) > > > >This one's not made for akai (different resistance, I still have my > original > >gxc325d) but looks really similar. The store said that some pioneer and > >aiwa models also use this head. iirc pioneer ctf1250 also uses a darkish > >'crystal' head. I'll give a sendust head a try tonight to see if it makes > >any difference. > > > >Strangely, I pulled out the pcb connector to find which part went bad - > both > >are OK ! PCB without head didn't emanate HF oscillation, also head > windings > >still good. Put connector back on, and the 'nakai' is working again ! > >Well, my choice is limited to original head with rolled off HF and to this > >crystal with HF noise ... (I'll get a genuine P-8L if it were for a ZX7) > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Mironov" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > >> Hi Salim, > >> > >> Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their > >ability > >> to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! > >> > >> Misha > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 17:14:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:14:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Record Adjustment - ZX-9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c148f9$66878aa0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> -Matyas said : "Hey ! this is absolutely normal Graham ! The azimuth adjustment of the rec head is available rightly .... have no place in a ZX-9 alchemist, it can yet do the best with any tape." Matyas, many thanks for the comprehensive explanation. Much obliged! Regards Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 17:16:06 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:16:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX 303 In-Reply-To: <031001c1461b$b71d5a20$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000901c148f9$a904b880$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> A Nak BX 303 - don't seem to see many of these on e-Bay... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279363208 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 28 17:17:52 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:17:52 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> <000601c146bb$f52d4d20$e4289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001401c14830$be698120$ec289bca@smarzuki> Hi Matyas, Thanks for the reel idea, it's finally working fine now. My old amp that I plan to sell is an ancient Adcom GFA-2 and a smallish Rotel RB971 (actually sounds ok). The ones that I use is small Adcom 2535 and SR4's amp for woofer - the one I unfortunately can't use is Bryston 4B, not enough electricity for its turn-on surge ! I'll go see the PA7 tomorrow (hope it abosrbs less turn-on power than an aircon), but I'm afraid my tin ear really can't even tell the difference between normal wiring and bi-wiring, much less to comment about the floating one :-) I'm a believer on bi-amping though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > Hello Salim! > > Can you tell me what is your old amps ? > > On your 482 head replacement, try to solder a ground wire to the shield > (metal case)of the head that you connect to the best ground source you find > (be aware of the ground loops). > I think that is the glue you used that was keeping the metal surface > (head&mouning plate)so so contacted, and with time as you report, the > contact was off, explaining why you face those parasite noise-hum-hifreq... > Anyway, you aren't afraid by experiment, I like it ;o) > > On the reel torque & felt, once I have dismounted by accident a reel hub of > my beloved 582, it was very tricky to find a clue, but I succeed, and I get > then the opportunity to clean & lightly scratch the inner circular strays > and to drop on the felt a light amount of colophon reduced in powder, all > this to ameliorate the torque, of course. > > Best, Matyas > > PS: when you get your PA-7II, give me please your thoughts about the > Floating Bi-wiring !!! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 17:25:09 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] report on nakai crystal head References: <008001c147e3$a2288f80$42d60192@vsnl> <001101c14830$0a064e20$ec289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB5E7D5.8D4830D0@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > [....] > > Sorry to bore you guys .... I thought this may be of interest to those who > wonders if P-8L is the real Nak secret. To me now it looks like more on the > electronics side, in addition to design overkill on mechanism. I think it's a combination of everything. You can't really make a huge improvement by using an excellent head with poor electronics and mechanics. You have to improve everything at the same time. Remember the old analogy, 'a good design is like a chain'? Product quality is limited by the weakest section, just like a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. -- Ron > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kannan. S" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > Salim > > I have a brand new Nakamichi Sendust head of BX1 - I bought it long back > and > > never used. I can give it to you at half the price that I got. But I hope > > that head would suite your 480? > > Incase you are interested contact me off nalktalk > > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Misha & Matyas for your 'support' :-) > > > > > >This one's not made for akai (different resistance, I still have my > > original > > >gxc325d) but looks really similar. The store said that some pioneer and > > >aiwa models also use this head. iirc pioneer ctf1250 also uses a darkish > > >'crystal' head. I'll give a sendust head a try tonight to see if it > makes > > >any difference. > > > > > >Strangely, I pulled out the pcb connector to find which part went bad - > > both > > >are OK ! PCB without head didn't emanate HF oscillation, also head > > windings > > >still good. Put connector back on, and the 'nakai' is working again ! > > >Well, my choice is limited to original head with rolled off HF and to > this > > >crystal with HF noise ... (I'll get a genuine P-8L if it were for a ZX7) > > > > > >Best regards, > > >Salim SM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michael Mironov" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 AM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > > > > >> Hi Salim, > > >> > > >> Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their > > >ability > > >> to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! > > >> > > >> Misha > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 28 17:27:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:27:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! References: Message-ID: <002d01c14832$1e15e2c0$ec289bca@smarzuki> Congratulations ... "leozx" ! :-) Please let me know if external dolby B unit (la2730) performs better than the built-in one (ua7300), just curious. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matyas" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! > Yes I won it, thank you Sam for having let us know the auction !!!! > In fact it it for Stefan, not Sank, but my best friend, he have the 1000ZXL > Good day ! Matyas > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Sep 29 17:38:30 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Denon-Ron Message-ID: <005c01c148fc$cc771800$04031fac@brianm> A few weeks ago Ron made great claims of some Denon equipment, I sarcastically said, "I would like to see that". Last night while in Barnes and Noble, I thumbed through the latest issue of The Audio Critic. (I have never read this mag before, I liked it; unfortunately there is not much to it, especially at it's price). They reviewed the Denon AVR-5800 and sang it's praises, not only performance wise, but also for their choice of parts inside. Anyone interested in a unit of this type should read this review. Anyway, let me be the first to apologize to Ron for my skepticism!!!! Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 17:53:31 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:53:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes on e-Bay In-Reply-To: <002d01c14832$1e15e2c0$ec289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000c01c148fe$e31ff520$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> For you State side guys ... I just spotted 15 new TDK SX100's presently going for well under a $1 each. Could be a nice buy ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279085829 Graham PS If you buy 'em you can send me one as a pressie for alerting you!! ;o) - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Sep 29 17:52:50 2001 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:52:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] report on nakai crystal head Message-ID: Now that was fascinating Salim - no boredom ever. Very interesting exercise indeed. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 09/28/01 05:01PM >>> Hi Matyas, Misha, Kannan and all, A follow up report on transplanted 482 - pioneer's sendust head doing okay inside 482, though not as spectacular as 'generic' glass /crystal head. Playback is of course much better than worn P-8L and quite close to fresh Nak head, however, recording is a no-go. Here's the windings' resistance of the 'sandwich' type heads: Nak P-8L: pb - 200 ohm (100 ohm on 'center tap'), rec - 100 ohm Dark crystal: pb - 225 ohm, rec - 35 ohm Pioneer sendust: pb - 350 ohm, rec - 150 ohm Crystal playback is excellent while sendust is only so-so. Looks like crystal's HF oscillation problem was due to jumpered resistors (peaking ?) on pb amp. I removed one jumper and now it's working fine. Interestingly, despite the difference rec heads' resistances, the other two exhibited steep roll off and can't be corrected by bias trimpot. Sorry to bore you guys .... I thought this may be of interest to those who wonders if P-8L is the real Nak secret. To me now it looks like more on the electronics side, in addition to design overkill on mechanism. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > Salim > I have a brand new Nakamichi Sendust head of BX1 - I bought it long back and > never used. I can give it to you at half the price that I got. But I hope > that head would suite your 480? > Incase you are interested contact me off nalktalk > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > >Thanks Misha & Matyas for your 'support' :-) > > > >This one's not made for akai (different resistance, I still have my > original > >gxc325d) but looks really similar. The store said that some pioneer and > >aiwa models also use this head. iirc pioneer ctf1250 also uses a darkish > >'crystal' head. I'll give a sendust head a try tonight to see if it makes > >any difference. > > > >Strangely, I pulled out the pcb connector to find which part went bad - > both > >are OK ! PCB without head didn't emanate HF oscillation, also head > windings > >still good. Put connector back on, and the 'nakai' is working again ! > >Well, my choice is limited to original head with rolled off HF and to this > >crystal with HF noise ... (I'll get a genuine P-8L if it were for a ZX7) > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Mironov" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:54 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > > >> Hi Salim, > >> > >> Definetely it's crystal head! Personaly I hate those things for their > >ability > >> to vork as a radio wave receiver... get rid of it as soon as you can! > >> > >> Misha > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 18:11:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:11:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Denon-Ron References: <005c01c148fc$cc771800$04031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3BB5F2B9.F4B7B780@concentric.net> > Brian Miller wrote: The Audio Critic represents the 'objectivist' view -- or, if you wish, the Engineer's view -- of high end audio: level headed and detached. As such, it has little chance of attracting esoteric audio advertising. As a result, it is too overpriced to be in the limelight. Too bad, they are generally quite accurate. The denon AVR-5800 was easily the best HT receiver on the market, bar none, until the latest Integra and Marantz top-of-the-line receivers showed up, to stand alongside it. It has been lavishly praised by every single reviewer, not just The Audio Critic. While none of these products is exactly low cost, they all approach the separates class in sheer sound quality at unbeatable value. -- Ron > > A few weeks ago Ron made great claims of some Denon > equipment, I sarcastically said, "I would like to see > that". Last night while in Barnes and Noble, I thumbed > through the latest issue of The Audio Critic. (I have > never read this mag before, I liked it; unfortunately > there is not much to it, especially at it's price). They > reviewed the Denon AVR-5800 and sang it's praises, not > only performance wise, but also for their choice of parts > inside. Anyone interested in a unit of this type should > read this review. > > Anyway, let me be the first to apologize to Ron for my > skepticism!!!! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, > and the life. No one comes to the Father except through > Me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Sep 29 18:41:30 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:41:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1363 In-Reply-To: <200109291511.RAA19912@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > To amuse you ... I've just set up my second hi fi system around the Eico > ST70 amp. This includes a Nak BX-1. Upon pressing play on the cassette > deck I found there was a nasty low level hum coming from the Right channel. > I checked the cables. Nothing. Still humming. I changed the cable. Still > humming. I swapped the device. No hum. Uh oh! I thought. It's the Nak > that's got a problem ... > > However, some of you may recall that my BX-1 came from one of our most our > generous brothers, Stephen. and is a 110VA model. In the UK we have 240VA. > So, I am using an outboard transformer .... You guessed it? I just moved > the transformer 2" and the hum stopped!!! Hi Graham, You're so lucky, I happen to have exactly what you need to cure your problem : first part of the device is made out of a natural material, a great insulator for heath, vibrations and any electrical phenomena . You just position the transformer on top of it . The second component is a flexible receptacle containing about one kilo of pointy, metallic devices, concentrating any magnetical radiation, and creating you a much cleaner sound . As a bonus, I'll include a sheet of a metalised substance, you can wrap around the transformer to protect it from outside influences and to anihilate any unwanted radiations . For a Nak fellow, I can leave you this for a few hundreds of $ . No need to thank me, Eddy P.S. : can anyone tell me what's the cheapest way to get a wooden crate, a bag of nails and a some aluminum paper ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Sep 29 18:41:29 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:41:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! Message-ID: <20010929.124130.-267399.2.josephj69@juno.com> Stephen, What does a fully modified 300 cost? If I ever get the damn Krell working, I'll probably want to move up from my current Adcom power. Tubes are probably the way to go too. - Joe On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:41:30 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Thanks for the great review, Ed. I'm interested to know what the > other guy > put up against it, if you can recall. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:15 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > > > > Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I > used to > spend hours > > comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an > attempt to > find just the > > right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a > modified 300! > I'm sure > > there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to > pay off > my second > > mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp > literally > knocked the > > socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against > the best > he had to > > offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can > only > wonder what > > Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going > through > some old > > issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote > some of the > most > > entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would > use a tube > amp > > > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less > than > > > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very > expensive, > but > > > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably > all > original > > > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input > level > controls, > > > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, > I'd use a > > > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what > you > already > > > have. > > > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to > run > 2.9's, > > > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power > tube or > tube > > > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) > could > sound > > > as good or better. > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive > biamping every > bit > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active > biamping. > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any > good > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables > of > adequate > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for > biwiring or > > > passive > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available > speakers > are > > > set > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, > detachable > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some > method of > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served > in terms > of > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two > smaller > power > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current > one? For > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in > advance. > > > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the > net, and > there > > > are > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. > Seems > like > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. > One expert > was > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not > worth the > extra > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you > all think? > > > Would > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, > higher > > > current > > > > power amp? > > > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in > advance for > your > > > > help-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 19:07:25 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:07:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1363 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c14909$35e94d60$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> ROFLOL!!!! Hey, Eddy! What if I buy the nails, wooden crate and alum' foil and then pay you for them?!!! LOL!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of POLLET Eddy Sent: 29 September 2001 17:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1363 Hi Graham, You're so lucky, I happen to have exactly what you need to cure your problem : first part of the device is made out of a natural material, a great insulator for heath, vibrations and any electrical phenomena . You just position the transformer on top of it . The second component is a flexible receptacle containing about one kilo of pointy, metallic devices, concentrating any magnetical radiation, and creating you a much cleaner sound . As a bonus, I'll include a sheet of a metalised substance, you can wrap around the transformer to protect it from outside influences and to anihilate any unwanted radiations . For a Nak fellow, I can leave you this for a few hundreds of $ . No need to thank me, Eddy P.S. : can anyone tell me what's the cheapest way to get a wooden crate, a bag of nails and a some aluminum paper ? = ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 29 19:44:47 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <000901c148f9$a904b880$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or snake oil? F'example, any comments on ... - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss the entire system..." - The green pen .... - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A steal at only £194.95 each?!! - Esoteric mains cables chords - Anti static mats for CDs - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - personally, I don't think they do anything!) Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, aren't they? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 29 19:57:05 2001 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:57:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! In-Reply-To: <3BB520B1.545EB0AA@snet.net> Message-ID: Anybody care to venture some reasonable priced speaker wire out there? I need to have 60 feet of the stuff unfortunately; no choice in the matter due to very high SAF. I've been considering the entry level audio note copper stuff and I don't really stay up with the products anymore. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I used to spend hours comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an attempt to find just the right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a modified 300! I'm sure there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to pay off my second mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp literally knocked the socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against the best he had to offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can only wonder what Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going through some old issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote some of the most entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would use a tube amp > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less than > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very expensive, but > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably all original > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input level controls, > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, I'd use a > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what you already > have. > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to run 2.9's, > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power tube or tube > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) could sound > as good or better. > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net > > writes: > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > passive > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are > set > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > >> > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there > are > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > Would > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > current > > power amp? > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > > help-- > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 29 20:20:54 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:20:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> <3BB5D525.A775F422@concentric.net> Message-ID: <077101c14913$7add1500$493442cf@sank1> In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp for bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp is available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is available for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power supply modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no power supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more expensive cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time where common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything with the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > [...] > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > Well, here we go again... > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > explanation... > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > difficult). > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > while lacking the necessary tools. > > The good news is that using a single high power, > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > resistance. > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > any harm, either. > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > different cables can have different electrical > characteristics. > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > course). > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > cables. > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > always favouring the more expensive component). > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > > passive > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers are > > set > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and there > > are > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems like > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert was > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the extra > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > > Would > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > > current > > > power amp? > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for your > > > help-- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 20:30:24 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:30:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB61340.772E06BD@concentric.net> -- Ron > Graham Nelson wrote: > > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi > mythology or snake oil? > > F'example, any comments on ... > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... > contain a small amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage > from all electronic equipment these magnets will gradually > be orientated in one direction.... (this ) ...lowers the > quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series > of algorithm signals through your system which relocates > the magnets and thereby breaks the magnetic field and its > negative effects on sound..." This relies on the reader not knowing what 'algorithm' is and their being too bashful to ask. There is no such thing as 'algorithm signal'. > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many > things, is supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the > cartridge stylus and degauss the entire system..." > > - The green pen .... That's BS, but believed by many that have no concept of the nature of digital signals. I saw these advertised for $12.99 (felt tipped pens, green or not, go for $0.69 or so apiece). > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, > cord, speaker cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the > small wooden bar across the top of the conductor then > listen to the improvement to your sound..." A steal at > only £194.95 each?!! > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the > cable, which Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a > set of 8 - I'm sure RadioShack sell 'em for much > less.) (Someone gave me some - personally, I don't > think they do anything!) These actually contain a ferrite ring that dramatically increases the inductance of the cable at radio frequencies and beyond. This reduces EMI and is often the difference between passing or failing FCC class A certification. They are not supposed to be audible, but to eliminate interference transmitted to adjacent equipment. I have these around Y/C (S-Video) cables in my system, as a 'just in case' measure. My computer display cable also came with one of these installed at each end. I don't know why anyone would pay for them about $7.50 each, that's more than 10 times their price. > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They > ARE snake oil, aren't they? You neglected to mention the CD demagnetizer. I may have mentioned this before, but if not, here it is: I took part in a hi-Fi club meet, where a listening test of CD demagnetization took place. The test, of course, was sighted. A CD was played. It was then "demagnetized" (well, the guy went through the motions, CDs do not contain ferrous material at all) and played again. Quite a few of the people present heard various effects of airier highs, more authoritative bass, more accurate sound staging, etc., etc.. When I asked how can non- magnetic media be affected by a magnetic field, I was told (by and engineer, no less) that I ought to 'suspend my disbelief'... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Sep 29 21:27:37 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:27:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> <3BB5D525.A775F422@concentric.net> <077101c14913$7add1500$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB620A9.FA75D78B@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp for > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp is > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is available > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power supply > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no power > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, while the output voltage remains essentially constant, regardless of power delivered. Maximum power available from any constant voltage source (including power amps) depends on the available maximum voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's ignore output current capability issues for this discussion). For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is delivering zero power. This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, the bass waveform is present at the output and limits the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements are all but nil. In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more expensive > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time where > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything with > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the generic cable? And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging and cost)? FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the time. I personally conducted a blind listening test of a moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could make statistically valid guesses. Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I still think that's an excellent idea. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > > > Well, here we go again... > > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > > explanation... > > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > > difficult). > > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > > while lacking the necessary tools. > > > > The good news is that using a single high power, > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > > resistance. > > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > > any harm, either. > > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of > adequate > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > > different cables can have different electrical > > characteristics. > > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > > course). > > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > > cables. > > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > > always favouring the more expensive component). > > > > Good luck, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > > > passive > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers > are > > > set > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms > of > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller > power > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and > there > > > are > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems > like > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert > was > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the > extra > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > > > Would > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > > > current > > > > power amp? > > > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for > your > > > > help-- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sat Sep 29 23:40:58 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:40:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! References: <002d01c14832$1e15e2c0$ec289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <007001c1492f$6e15d660$a78855c3@amd> Hello, i have a NR200 dolby C unit where all the Ua 7300 Chips (the original chips inside the NR200) are replaced with La 2730 and it sounds very good. This is done by Nakamichi Netherlands because of a soft pumping noise at low levels. In my opinion it is always better to have a external dolby c unit because of the external tuning of the levels. I think that when a tape get older the magnetism steps back and you can external put the levels back at that point you recorded the tape otherwise it is possible that you get, with old tapes, a pumping dolby c sound. It's always wise to record a 400hz 0db tone at the beginning of the tape to recalibrate the dolby level using the NR200. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! > > Congratulations ... "leozx" ! :-) Please let me know if external dolby B > unit (la2730) performs better than the built-in one (ua7300), just curious. > > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matyas" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:34 PM > Subject: [naktalk] I won the NR-200 on e-bay!!!! > > > > Yes I won it, thank you Sam for having let us know the auction !!!! > > In fact it it for Stefan, not Sank, but my best friend, he have the > 1000ZXL > > Good day ! Matyas > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 01:23:14 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:23:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman In-Reply-To: <007001c1492f$6e15d660$a78855c3@amd> Message-ID: <000001c1493d$b686ba00$38b4193e@a4s1s2> Norman Have you heard of Tom van der Hoff, allegedly a Nak engineer in Holland? Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 02:13:20 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:13:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <20010929.124130.-267399.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <07a301c14944$b74f0ee0$493442cf@sank1> My rebuilt Moscode 300's run $1300-1600 or so, depending on how much you want the last few percentage points of potential sonic benefit. And, yes, I agree. The Krell preamp will definitely benefit from having tube following it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > Stephen, > > What does a fully modified 300 cost? > > If I ever get the damn Krell working, I'll probably want to move up from > my current Adcom power. Tubes are probably the way to go too. > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:41:30 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > Thanks for the great review, Ed. I'm interested to know what the > > other guy > > put up against it, if you can recall. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Noyes" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:15 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > > > > > > > Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I > > used to > > spend hours > > > comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an > > attempt to > > find just the > > > right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a > > modified 300! > > I'm sure > > > there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to > > pay off > > my second > > > mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp > > literally > > knocked the > > > socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against > > the best > > he had to > > > offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can > > only > > wonder what > > > Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going > > through > > some old > > > issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote > > some of the > > most > > > entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would > > use a tube > > amp > > > > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less > > than > > > > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very > > expensive, > > but > > > > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably > > all > > original > > > > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input > > level > > controls, > > > > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, > > I'd use a > > > > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what > > you > > already > > > > have. > > > > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to > > run > > 2.9's, > > > > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power > > tube or > > tube > > > > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) > > could > > sound > > > > as good or better. > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive > > biamping every > > bit > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active > > biamping. > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any > > good > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables > > of > > adequate > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > > Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for > > biwiring or > > > > passive > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available > > speakers > > are > > > > set > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, > > detachable > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some > > method of > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served > > in terms > > of > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two > > smaller > > power > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current > > one? For > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in > > advance. > > > > > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the > > net, and > > there > > > > are > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. > > Seems > > like > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. > > One expert > > was > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not > > worth the > > extra > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you > > all think? > > > > Would > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, > > higher > > > > current > > > > > power amp? > > > > > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in > > advance for > > your > > > > > help-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 02:16:59 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:16:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: Message-ID: <07a901c14945$397933a0$493442cf@sank1> The most economical, seriously excellent speaker cable I've yet used is what I am using now, the LAT "Biwire" model cable. In your case, I'd recommend "shotgunning" it, which is to say have it terminated as a single pair cable, which LAT will do for you. Website is http://latinternational.com w/online ordering & money-back trial period. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > Anybody care to venture some reasonable priced speaker wire out there? I > need to have 60 feet of the stuff unfortunately; no choice in the matter due > to very high SAF. > > I've been considering the entry level audio note copper stuff and I don't > really stay up with the products anymore. > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! > > > Forget the bi-amp and just run one of Stephen's mod'd Moscodes! I used to > spend hours > comparing amps and trying different one's in the system in an attempt to > find just the > right amp... all that changed when Stephen turned me on to a modified 300! > I'm sure > there's better out there, but I also think it would cost less to pay off my > second > mortgage on the house before doing appreciably better. The amp literally > knocked the > socks off my audiophile friend who I challenged to put up against the best > he had to > offer in the stereo salon he works in... he couldn't top it! I can only > wonder what > Stephen can do with the even more awesome 600. BTW, I was going through some > old > issues of TAS and have to say that Harvey Rosenberg also wrote some of the > most > entertaining ad copy I've ever encountered! > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > If I was going to biamp the NHT's, passive or active, I would use a tube > amp > > for the top end, as I have always found the tweeters rather less than > > smooth. It could be fairly low power, so it needn't be very expensive, > but > > if you could budget $800 or so, a McIntosh MC225, preferrably all original > > tubes, would be ideal. It also has the perk of having input level > controls, > > to allow level matching with the bass amp. For the bass amp, I'd use a > > >100w/ch, high quality solid state amp, which is hopefully what you > already > > have. > > I'm nearly 100 percent sure that this would be the best way to run 2.9's, > > but it's not impossible that a really high quality, high power tube or > tube > > hybrid amp(like my mod'd Moscodes- Ed, you wanna second that?) could sound > > as good or better. > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every > bit > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of adequate > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > writes: > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > > passive > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers > are > > set > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms of > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller power > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and > there > > are > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems > like > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert > was > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the > extra > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > > Would > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > > current > > > power amp? > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for > your > > > help-- > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 02:27:02 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:27:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> <3BB5D525.A775F422@concentric.net> <077101c14913$7add1500$493442cf@sank1> <3BB620A9.FA75D78B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <07b501c14946$a0e0a5e0$493442cf@sank1> Ron, Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an amplifier loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything close to identical loaded/unloaded clip points. But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get anywhere near clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's *pain threshold*. The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or lower range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full range. And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp for > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp is > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is available > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power supply > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no power > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. > > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, > regardless of power delivered. > > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's > ignore output current capability issues for this > discussion). > > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is > delivering zero power. > > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements > are all but nil. > > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). > > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more expensive > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time where > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything with > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. > > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the > generic cable? > > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging > and cost)? > > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the > time. > > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could > make statistically valid guesses. > > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I > still think that's an excellent idea. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every bit > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > > > > > Well, here we go again... > > > > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > > > > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > > > explanation... > > > > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > > > difficult). > > > > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > > > while lacking the necessary tools. > > > > > > The good news is that using a single high power, > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > > > resistance. > > > > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > > > any harm, either. > > > > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of > > adequate > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > > > different cables can have different electrical > > > characteristics. > > > > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > > > course). > > > > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > > > > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > > > cables. > > > > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > > > > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > > > always favouring the more expensive component). > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring or > > > > passive > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available speakers > > are > > > > set > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, detachable > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method of > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in terms > > of > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller > > power > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? For > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, and > > there > > > > are > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. Seems > > like > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One expert > > was > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth the > > extra > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all think? > > > > Would > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, higher > > > > current > > > > > power amp? > > > > > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance for > > your > > > > > help-- > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Sep 30 02:25:20 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 20:25:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Critic References: <005c01c148fc$cc771800$04031fac@brianm> <001201c14941$03adaca0$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00c001c14946$6576afe0$04031fac@brianm> I agree that it's always nice to have another voice, it doesn't seem hard to find someone who doesn't care much for the Audio Critic. As I stated before, I have never read it before and I only scanned it in the store. I thought it was nice that they took the top off and looked inside the items they test. Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Critic > The main problem with the Audio Critic > apart from some creditibility questions back > in the past is the publishing schedule. > Issues have been up to years apart. > > Hopefully this will change as will the editors > insistance on wasting space on whiteand black hats > in the hifi industry. Its always nice to have another > voice even if you don't agree with it. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 03:25:35 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 02:25:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Critic & Other Hi Fi Mags In-Reply-To: <00c001c14946$6576afe0$04031fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000101c1494e$cdd8d1a0$38b4193e@a4s1s2> -Brian said: I agree that it's always nice to have another voice, it doesn't seem hard to find someone who doesn't care much for the Audio Critic. As I stated before, I have never read it before and I only scanned it in the store. I thought it was nice that they took the top off and looked inside the items they test. Brian If you get the chance, have a looksee at two British hi fi mags - Hi Fi World and Hi Fi News. You will find both these mags tend to include reviews that both look at the technical performance of equipment on the bench and at the guts of it as well as the usual more subjective listening tests. Indeed, you will also find that some of the reviewers often seek to identify what it is about the results found during the bench tests that affect what they hear - e.g. "I heard such and such which is may be explained by the fact that so and so measured X" kind of thing. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 30 04:16:20 2001 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:16:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Second that Emotion on Stephen's Moscode! References: <119.55ff696.28e72b80@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BB6806B.68219D8E@snet.net> The Moscode 300 went up against the latest McCormack of about the same power, as well as the current Krell, and a Conrad-Johnson... I want to say PV-55 or something like that. Stephen's amp simply smoked the Krell and also left the McCormack seeming a little sterile to say the least. It ran very close to the CJ is some respects in terms of maintaining a real element of musicality, but the CJ seemed a little to liquid.. not quite as focused in some respects. What I really like about the Moscode is that it walks a fine line between being very analytical and musical. It's easy to find an amp that will possess one quality at the cost of the other, but VERY rare to find a piece that seems capable of both these qualities at the same time. The Moscode may lean slightly toward a tube like musicality in some subtle ways, but this is where I'd prefer to be... and with the rather transparent and detailed Spectral pre that I'm running the system comes off as having tremendous resolving abilities with just a touch of sweetness. I will add that I must tip my hat to Stephen for his mods and general quality of workmanship... double bypassed supply electrolytics, extensive use of very high quality Multicaps, and great internal wiring courtesy of LAT are things that are instantly noticeable... a job well done! About my only caveat with this amp would be that the power tranny does seem to have a bit of a mechanical hum to it. Obviously this has nothing to do with Stephen and is not even noticeable once the music starts, but I'd love to find a way to silence it. Finally, if you're reading this Stephen I have to ask how it is that the thing runs so cool. I am used to mosfet outputs typically running pretty hot due to the fact that they tend to need to be biased pretty hard to get linear operation. In fact, I have never had a mosfet that has not been at least fairly warm at idle, yet this thing is as cool as a cucumber and barely even gets warm even when I'm running it hard! Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/2001 5:39:14 AM Central Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Thanks for the great review, Ed. I'm interested to know what the other guy > put up against it, if you can recall. >> > > I'd like to hear one of Stephen's amps myself. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen's amp simply smoked the Krell and also left the McCormack seeming a > little sterile to say the least. It ran very close to the CJ is some respects in terms > of maintaining a real element of musicality, but the CJ seemed a little to liquid.. > not quite as focused in some respects. What I really like about the Moscode is that it > walks a fine line between being very analytical and musical. It's easy to find an amp > that will possess one quality at the cost of the other, but VERY rare to find a piece > that seems capable of both these qualities at the same time. The Moscode may lean > slightly toward a tube like musicality in some subtle ways, but this is where I'd > prefer to be... and with the rather transparent and detailed Spectral pre that I'm > running the system comes off as having tremendous resolving abilities with just a > touch of sweetness. > > I will add that I must tip my hat to Stephen for his mods and general quality of > workmanship... double bypassed supply electrolytics, extensive use of very high > quality Multicaps, and great internal wiring courtesy of LAT are things that are > instantly noticeable... a job well done! About my only caveat with this amp would be > that the power tranny does seem to have a bit of a mechanical hum to it. Obviously > this has nothing to do with Stephen and is not even noticeable once the music starts, > but I'd love to find a way to silence it. > > Finally, if you're reading this Stephen I have to ask how it is that the thing runs so > cool. I am used to mosfet outputs typically running pretty hot due to the fact that > they tend to need to be biased pretty hard to get linear operation. In fact, I have > never had a mosfet that has not been at least fairly warm at idle, yet this thing is > as cool as a cucumber and barely even gets warm even when I'm running it hard! > > Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 30 06:08:07 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:08:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? Message-ID: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top those. A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end result? - Joe On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" writes: How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or snake oil? F'example, any comments on ... - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss the entire system..." - The green pen .... - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A steal at only £194.95 each?!! - Esoteric mains cables chords - Anti static mats for CDs - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which Audioquest sell from an amazing £42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - personally, I don't think they do anything!) Does anyone out there have any of these products? 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And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. >> The point is: you guys are great! May sound strange, but I respect *both* of your expert opinions. How can I not end up with great sound?!?!?? I have decided to go with single-amping with a higher quality amp. I can (and probably will) initially go with a Parasound HCA-1500A stereo power amp with 205wpc @8ohms, 315 at 4 ohms. I can get one for not much over five bones. I think that will do the trick until I can honestly evaluate its' merits/demerits. I am also considering a Bryston 4B-ST, which, while much more expensive, is a consesus high-quality two-channel amp... I am somewhat limited by space in my current home. But I know that with your help, I will get the best sound quality possible given my setup. Thanks again! Dave ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 30 06:49:20 2001 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:49:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. Message-ID: <20010930.004933.-304047.4.josephj69@juno.com> Bryston far more expensive than the Parasound? I thought Parasound made damn good products. Am I wrong here? Why pay more for the Bryston? - Joe On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:35:36 EDT ChefBum at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 09/29/2001 5:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << Ron, > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an > amplifier > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything > close to > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. > But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get > anywhere near > clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's > *pain > threshold*. > The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a > factor of > power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper > or lower > range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was > loaded full > range. > And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. >> > > The point is: you guys are great! May sound strange, but I respect > *both* of > your expert opinions. How can I not end up with great sound?!?!?? > > > I have decided to go with single-amping with a higher quality amp. > I can > (and probably will) initially go with a Parasound HCA-1500A stereo > power amp > with 205wpc @8ohms, 315 at 4 ohms. I can get one for not much over > five bones. > I think that will do the trick until I can honestly evaluate its' > merits/demerits. I am also considering a Bryston 4B-ST, which, > while much > more expensive, is a consesus high-quality two-channel amp... > > I am somewhat limited by space in my current home. But I know that > with your > help, I will get the best sound quality possible given my setup. > Thanks > again! > > > Dave > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ---------========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 30 07:11:09 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:11:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the best fiction ever written. But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase in sound quality. The cable tree is not a bad idea just a bad price seperating mains cables from interconnects can reduce hum and 50/60hz interference. I have also found properly made mains cables to make a difference over cheap stock cables (but note I didn't say they had to cost $2000.00) The rf stoppers and the like do work if you need them it depends on your rf environment. And as for the cable lifters don't think they make muchof a difference static electricity can have bad effects on your system though. especially if you still play vinyl. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 30 07:18:16 2001 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:18:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. Parasound References: <20010930.004933.-304047.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <00fd01c1496f$4fdf0d20$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> If you buy the parasound and you have questions about it John Curl (the designer of most parasound stuff) is always lurking on the audio asylum site www.audioasylum.com Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. > Bryston far more expensive than the Parasound? > > I thought Parasound made damn good products. Am I wrong here? > > Why pay more for the Bryston? > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:35:36 EDT ChefBum at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 09/29/2001 5:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << Ron, > > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an > > amplifier > > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything > > close to > > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. > > But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get > > anywhere near > > clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's > > *pain > > threshold*. > > The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a > > factor of > > power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper > > or lower > > range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was > > loaded full > > range. > > And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. >> > > > > The point is: you guys are great! May sound strange, but I respect > > *both* of > > your expert opinions. How can I not end up with great sound?!?!?? > > > > > > I have decided to go with single-amping with a higher quality amp. > > I can > > (and probably will) initially go with a Parasound HCA-1500A stereo > > power amp > > with 205wpc @8ohms, 315 at 4 ohms. I can get one for not much over > > five bones. > > I think that will do the trick until I can honestly evaluate its' > > merits/demerits. I am also considering a Bryston 4B-ST, which, > > while much > > more expensive, is a consesus high-quality two-channel amp... > > > > I am somewhat limited by space in my current home. But I know that > > with your > > help, I will get the best sound quality possible given my setup. > > Thanks > > again! > > > > > > Dave > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ---------========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 30 07:21:36 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:21:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. References: <20010930.004933.-304047.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB6ABE0.ECFB5066@earthlink.net> I always felt that the Brystons sounded a little dry and sterile. I prefer Electrocompaniet or Plinius in solid state amps. Jim Volpatti josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Bryston far more expensive than the Parasound? > > I thought Parasound made damn good products. Am I wrong here? > > Why pay more for the Bryston? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 10:30:03 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:30:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c1498a$1a10aee0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Warren wrote: "But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase in sound quality." But presumably NOT a moving magnet cartridge! "And as for the cable lifters don't think they make muchof a difference static electricity can have bad effects on your system though. especially if you still play vinyl." I agree. That is why - don't laugh - I shoot my records with a Milty Zerostat gun. It DOES work! You can see things that are clinging to the record because of the stat' charge just fall away when you zap it with the Zerostat gun. (I have a couple of other similar devices that I bought new old stock at a bot sale for £1 each - oneof these is mechanical, like the Milty but is a wand shape and the other smaller again and runs on a PP3 battery. I've not used either yet.) Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 10:38:29 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:38:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Message-ID: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Either someone's been reading my mail or this is synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed on my virtual doormat today ....! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Audio Revelation [mailto:Jay at AudioRevelation.com] Sent: 30 September 2001 06:32 To: Graham Nelson Subject: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Dear Audiophile, I took my $250, 6 year old Yamaha CD player to Stereo Design, San Diego, yesterday with an audiophile pal, Jan. I arranged with Art, who’s hearing is most esteemed - trained when he worked at Conrad Johnson - and the only person, in my experience, who had actually been able to really hear a difference when blindly AB comparing CD players (2 Krells $4,500 & $7,500), to demo the Yamaha, blind, against his best sounding CD player. He choose a single play Wadia deck for the test, priced at $8,000, feeding a Mark Levinson preamp driving 2 big Krells biamped into 3.6 Magnapans (which sounded damn nice). We did the blind AB testing using 2 pairs of identical CD’s. This was done over the course of more than an hour of intensive listening. At first, Art thought the Wadia sounded a touch brighter (Jan disagreed), but no differences in any other area were noted. When we adjusted the volume of one deck a bit, that difference went away. Jan thought the Yamaha had slightly better resolution. The Yamaha has a stock power cord and was set up using Innersound’s $49 interconnect (Vampire Wire components). Understandably, it took Art awhile for the reality to settle in. I told him I could have used virtually ANY CD/DVD player to get the same results, but that the Yamaha was preferable as it has a built in volume control, which facilitates equalization of the volume between the decks. We then tested cables in a blind AB test. No difference between magnet wire at 3 cents a foot & $1.00 RCS’s, $49 Innnersound interconnects, and the Silversmith Audio interconnects at $1500 or so. Shocked that all 3 cables sounded the same, Art swore we’d hear a difference between the Transparent Audio - which "are very soft sounding and rolled off" - and the Silversmiths - "which tend to be bright". On CD 1, a bright one, we all thought we could hear a tiny bit of this, but on the next CD, a Diana Krall, no one could tell any difference in any aspect of the sound. So much for those sacred audiophile cows and all the great reviewers out there. P. S. I’ve been doing this BLIND AB testing with many different CD & DVD players, cables and power cords over the last 5 months with at least a dozen people, with other dealership friends, including comparisons with a $10,000 CEC/Audio Logic TUBE digital front end, (not to mention my own $20,000 system) with the same results –all these things sound identical or almost identical. Of course no one wants to believe any of the above, just like a true believer refuses to give up his beliefs in the face of contrary proof - especially when all the other followers believe the same thing. I write this to you so you can think about putting your money where it really matters and stop supporting the (I believe) non-sense that permeates the industry. Jay Kaufman Audio Revelation jay at audiorevelation.com 760.944.0444 Audio Revelation is a specialty audio dealer and factory rep. for the universally acclaimed Innersound line of electrostatic speakers, amps and preamps. Innersound has established itself as a high-value, high-performance line for the discerning listener garnering over a dozen glowing reviews from major audio publications. Based in San Diego, I would welcome the opportunity to earn your business with no-nonsense, experienced advice drawn from over 20 years in high-end audio. In addition to Innersound, I can help you with a wide range of products at very reasonable prices to suit your personal needs. Please call for more information or to arrange a demonstration and visit www.innersound.net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 29 13:13:48 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:13:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002801c148d8$c12a5f80$dc289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen, I've looked at the PA7 today ... awesome moster ! However, I can 'feel' that the amp has been repaired before, one good hint would be that missing bottom screw. =) My question is, does PA7II use 'exotic' or difficult-to-find parts - i.e. something like ZXL's ABLE chip perhaps ? Or does it use more generic kind of parts all around ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > PA-7II is a steal at $500 & they are pretty darn bulletproof reliable. > Original retail, if memory serves, was somewhere around $1800. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sun Sep 30 14:38:10 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:38:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman References: <000001c1493d$b686ba00$38b4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001401c149ac$c51254c0$f58955c3@amd> Hello Graham, No not really, is he working for Transtec ? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] For Norman > Norman > > Have you heard of Tom van der Hoff, allegedly a Nak engineer in Holland? > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 15:04:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:04:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman In-Reply-To: <001401c149ac$c51254c0$f58955c3@amd> Message-ID: <001001c149b0$828af0e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Hi Norman Transtec - I don't think so. He may have done so but I understand he works for himself and specialises in Nak's. He allegedly does some kind of modification that extends some machines ability to record high frequencies. This mod' is supposed to have been done to my ZX-9 and to the CR-7 of the guy who sold the ZX-9 to me. Not knowing the ZX-9 I can't say if this modification works! However, I tune it as I was instructed anyway, which is very slightly different from the manual. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 30 September 2001 13:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman Hello Graham, No not really, is he working for Transtec ? Norman - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl Sun Sep 30 15:24:23 2001 From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:24:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman References: <001001c149b0$828af0e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000e01c149b3$3923b6a0$038855c3@amd> Hello Graham, Well it's intresting, do you know more of that guy? Because i have a zx7 and i wonder what modifications he means Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Norman > Hi Norman > > Transtec - I don't think so. He may have done so but I understand he works > for himself and specialises in Nak's. He allegedly does some kind of > modification that extends some machines ability to record high frequencies. > This mod' is supposed to have been done to my ZX-9 and to the CR-7 of the > guy who sold the ZX-9 to me. Not knowing the ZX-9 I can't say if this > modification works! However, I tune it as I was instructed anyway, which is > very slightly different from the manual. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Norman van Wijnen > Sent: 30 September 2001 13:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman > > > Hello Graham, > > No not really, is he working for Transtec ? > > Norman > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 15:25:14 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:25:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. References: <20010930.004933.-304047.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3BB71D3A.B1A53AC3@concentric.net> Not to belittle Parasound, but Bryston build quality is sheer beauty. Even if it doesn't directly affect sound quality (it does indirectly affect reliability), it is valued by many for it's own sake. Bryston's 20 year warranty is nothing to sneeze at, either. Unfortunately, Bryston's prices abundantly (maybe, disproportionately) reflect this. If it only weren't for this irritating factor and my slim budget... -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Bryston far more expensive than the Parasound? > > I thought Parasound made damn good products. Am I wrong here? > > Why pay more for the Bryston? > > - Joe > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:35:36 EDT ChefBum at aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 09/29/2001 5:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << Ron, > > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an > > amplifier > > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything > > close to > > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. > > But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get > > anywhere near > > clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's > > *pain > > threshold*. > > The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a > > factor of > > power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper > > or lower > > range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was > > loaded full > > range. > > And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. >> > > > > The point is: you guys are great! May sound strange, but I respect > > *both* of > > your expert opinions. How can I not end up with great sound?!?!?? > > > > > > I have decided to go with single-amping with a higher quality amp. > > I can > > (and probably will) initially go with a Parasound HCA-1500A stereo > > power amp > > with 205wpc @8ohms, 315 at 4 ohms. I can get one for not much over > > five bones. > > I think that will do the trick until I can honestly evaluate its' > > merits/demerits. I am also considering a Bryston 4B-ST, which, > > while much > > more expensive, is a consesus high-quality two-channel amp... > > > > I am somewhat limited by space in my current home. But I know that > > with your > > help, I will get the best sound quality possible given my setup. > > Thanks > > again! > > > > > > Dave > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ---------========= > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 15:33:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:33:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <001201c1490e$6e8ba5a0$ccf0193e@a4s1s2> <00c301c1496e$5166b400$2def3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BB71F42.E169546D@concentric.net> Warren wrote: > > My favorite is reading patents on cables they are some of the > best fiction ever written. > > But in regard to the cardas record it doesn't work that well > but degaussing moving coil cartridges can give you an increase > in sound quality. I always thought this was another hoax. Have you actually tried it? I would be leery of degaussing a phono cartridge. It contains a magnet and 'degaussing' is the same as 'demagnetizing'. > The cable tree is not a bad idea just a bad price > seperating mains cables from interconnects can reduce > hum and 50/60hz interference. It's certainly a good idea to separate power cords from signal interconnects, but you don't need an expensive (or even cheap) device to do this, just route the cables appropriately. > I have also found properly made mains cables to make a difference > over cheap stock cables (but note I didn't say they had to cost > $2000.00) In all but extreme cases, this is another hoax. Any equipment that is improved by beefing up the power supply cord is grossly poorly designed or built. I doubt any of us here owns such equipment. -- Ron > The rf stoppers and the like do work if you need them it depends > on your rf environment. > > And as for the cable lifters don't think they make muchof a difference > static electricity can have bad effects on your system though. > especially if you still play vinyl. > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 15:43:59 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:43:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] For Norman In-Reply-To: <000e01c149b3$3923b6a0$038855c3@amd> Message-ID: <001201c149b5$f516b9a0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Hi Norman I don't know - I've lost the contact details but you could try calling the guy who sold me the ZX-9: Patrick Dokter, phone: 0031 627 382 674 Tell him I suggested you speak with him. And if you get contact details for this engineer, please pass it back to me by e-mail as I'm finding it hard to get any replies from Pat at the moment! (He's probably too busy listening to his collection of Nak's ... I understand that, as well as the CR-7 he has two other ZX-9s and more else!) Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 30 September 2001 14:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman Hello Graham, Well it's intresting, do you know more of that guy? Because i have a zx7 and i wonder what modifications he means Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] For Norman > Hi Norman > > Transtec - I don't think so. He may have done so but I understand he works > for himself and specialises in Nak's. He allegedly does some kind of > modification that extends some machines ability to record high frequencies. > This mod' is supposed to have been done to my ZX-9 and to the CR-7 of the > guy who sold the ZX-9 to me. Not knowing the ZX-9 I can't say if this > modification works! However, I tune it as I was instructed anyway, which is > very slightly different from the manual. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Norman van Wijnen > Sent: 30 September 2001 13:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For Norman > > > Hello Graham, > > No not really, is he working for Transtec ? > > Norman > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 29 16:20:39 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 21:20:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks References: <003801c13d10$412688a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <001801c148f1$ea978000$1c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, I just downloaded 582's schematic to compare the line amp with 480/482 - by golly - the line amp is exactly one 4558DD with 10k feedback resistor right after the 100mV test point ! This should be an easy one to get 1V output. :-) Thanks for the idea. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > OP 275 costs around $3.5 which is still more than around 2.6 or so in the > US. > Regrding the Opamp design - I cannot tell offhand but if you are desperate I > should look at some circuits and pass on - takes time as I have to be > careful. Best place to looK is Nak circuits themselves! > Before trying any circuit try with TLO 74 and then replace it with OP275 > kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > >Looks like the latter option is easiest to incorporate ... can I simply add > >OP275 on final 'stage' ? I only need less than x2 gain so what would be > the > >resistor values ? 482 is a 3 header using similar head but even first eq > >amp right in front of pb head already different. Kannan, what is OP275 > >price in India ? It's quite expensive over here $5 a piece after a long > >'bargain'. IIRC BX 300 playback path already requires 4. > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kannan. S" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1V vs 0.6V Naks > > > > > >> Yeah I think , you can do that if that 482 is 3 head ( I am not sure at > >this > >> moment) . If 482 is 2 head, then the replay frequency shaping components > >are > >> not same as the 2 head ( head gap is around 1.2 Micron -sendust while 3 > >head > >> is 0.8 Micron Permalloy ( Crystalloy) head )with differing response! And > >so > >> you cannot use the 582 circuit as it is. always you can add a line level > >amp > >> after all playback circuitry anyway to get this 1 V output if you want? > >> kannan > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Salim Marzuki ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 16:33:47 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:33:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <9f.1beeb030.28e5fdef@aol.com> <063001c1486a$f9364060$493442cf@sank1> <3BB5D525.A775F422@concentric.net> <077101c14913$7add1500$493442cf@sank1> <3BB620A9.FA75D78B@concentric.net> <07b501c14946$a0e0a5e0$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3BB72D4B.D80B49B8@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an amplifier > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything close to > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. True. Which is why I suggested that we ignore current capability for this discussion. In any reasonably good amp, the difference is small, amounting at most to 5% or so. Taking this small factor into account, I should have said, "False bi-amping with two 100W amps will provide total system power of, at most, 105W (not 200W)." > But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get anywhere near > clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's *pain > threshold*. > The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a factor of > power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper or lower > range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was loaded full > range. Not so. IM distortion is caused by nonlinear transfer function of active devices. Linearity of the high current portion of the device characteristic could be worse than at lower current, but not necessarily -- in many cases, it's actually better. This depends on the devices chosen and the design itself. In any case, linearity of the very low current portion is far worse than the high current portion (which is why class AB amps inherently have lower distortion that class B amps) -- just look at a transistor curve. I'd say that on the average, IM distortion of unloaded amps is more or less the same as the loaded value. All this applies to the output stage only. IM distortion in the rest of the amp is not affected by loading at all. The problem with false bi-amping is that all IM distortion products of the treble amp fall inside the passband of the following passive xover, resulting in their audibility. Thus, false bi-amping may, at best, reduce them slightly, but true bi-amping all but eliminates them. > And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. That's fine. I suppose we both said all we have to say on the subject. I didn't delude myself into thinking I could convince you. I am sure you didn't think so either. Our opposing views are respectively shared by two armies, at bitter verbal war with each other. It's good to be able to converse in this civilized environment, where each can express opinions without the ubiquitous ad hominem attacks encountered so often on the NGs and chat rooms. I can disagree with your views but still respect you and I hope you feel the same. Regards, -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > In passive biamping, there is no current demanded from the top end amp > for > > > bass, and vice versa on the bass amp. So, ALL the power of the bass amp > is > > > available for the bass, and all of the power of the top end amp is > available > > > for the top end amp. Furthermore, the bass amp will not have power > supply > > > modulation interference from the top end, and the top end will have no > power > > > supply modulation interference from the bottom end. So, BOTH amps will > > > sound better & hence, both speaker sections will sound better. > > > I really don't know how you can deny any of this, Ron. > > > > Very easily, Stephen. Your argument assumes amps are > > constant power sources, which is not the case. Power amps > > are constant voltage sources. This means that, with constant > > input, power delivered is a function of the load resistance, > > while the output voltage remains essentially constant, > > regardless of power delivered. > > > > Maximum power available from any constant voltage source > > (including power amps) depends on the available maximum > > voltage, *not* on the current it is delivering (let's > > ignore output current capability issues for this > > discussion). > > > > For example: say an amp rated at 50W into 8 ohms is driven > > to just below clipping with a bass signal. The voltage at > > the output will be SQR(8*50)=20V, regardless of whether > > the output is loaded with 8 ohms (output power: 50W) or > > open (output power: zero). Now, add to the input drive a > > treble signal. The amplifier will clip, even though it is > > delivering zero power. > > > > This is your exact false bi-amping situation. For the > > treble amp: even though you are not drawing bass power, > > the bass waveform is present at the output and limits > > the treble voltage swing -- hence, the treble power > > output. It is possible for the treble amp to clip badly > > during a bass peak, even when treble power requirements > > are all but nil. > > > > In general, false bi-amping with two 100W amps will > > provide total system power of 100W (not 200W). > > > > > As far as cables, I can't count the number of times that the more > expensive > > > cable has LOST in non-blind testing. And I can't count even one time > where > > > common OFC cable of way more than adequate awg has won over anything > with > > > the tiniest bit of engineering/materials finesse in it. > > > > Well, would you please explain how the high-end cable > > differs from the generic one in a way that makes it sound > > better? What are it's electrical characteristics vs. the > > generic cable? > > > > And what is the Engineering/materials finesse in high-end > > cables (except for thickness of insulation, fancy packaging > > and cost)? > > > > FYI, a couple of years ago, a dealer made a bet with some > > non-believer readers of an audio NG. He claimed he could > > easily identify his brand of super expensive cable vs. a > > generic cable. He lost miserably, then claimed the testing > > was invalid ... Yea, right! This was well publicized at the > > time. > > > > I personally conducted a blind listening test of a > > moderately priced cable ($200) vs. a piece of 12AWG cable > > (about 5 bucks), on an A-B-X basis. Nobody (6 people) could > > make statistically valid guesses. > > > > Finally: I made only one recommendation, that the buyer > > run his own BLIND (!!!) listening tests, before shelling > > out the ridiculous price of esoteric speaker cables. I > > still think that's an excellent idea. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:05 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > And I would like to reiterate that I consider passive biamping every > bit > > > > > as valid & every bit as potentially beneficial as active biamping. > > > > > > > > Well, here we go again... > > > > > > > > As so often happens in this hobby of ours, we have > > > > a 180 degrees opposite views: Stephen feels false > > > > bi-amping is 'every bit as potentially beneficial' > > > > while I (just as positively) state that it offers > > > > absolutely no benefit whatsoever. Zero! Zilch! None! > > > > > > > > I could go on to technically explain my statement. > > > > Problem is, if the reader is technically equipped to > > > > follow the Physics involved, he/she probably doesn't > > > > need the explanation in the first place. OTOH, lacking > > > > such knowledge, the reader won't understand the > > > > explanation... > > > > > > > > Alternatively, one could argue that the proof of the > > > > pudding is in the eating; thus, a listening test is > > > > in order. Problem here is that people in the know > > > > never thought this is an issue (false bi-amping is > > > > only incorporated as an add on -- never in any off > > > > the shelf product) and I know of no published test > > > > conducted to resolve the issue. It would be a bit > > > > like going into the lab to prove that 2 + 2 = 4... > > > > (BTW, setting up such a *valid* test would be quite > > > > difficult). > > > > > > > > So, the bottom line is (same as with many other such > > > > arguments related to high end audio): the reader is > > > > forced to choose between diametrically opposed > > > > opinions (the Engineering vs. the esoteric), albeit > > > > while lacking the necessary tools. > > > > > > > > The good news is that using a single high power, > > > > high quality amp provides most (though not all) the > > > > advantages of true biamping -- the large reserve of > > > > power is already there, IM distortion is already very > > > > low and the DF factor is high enough to compensate > > > > -- at least, partially -- for the passive xover > > > > resistance. > > > > > > > > The even better news is that, if you do decide to invest > > > > the expense and effort in false bi-amping (and provided > > > > you do it right), it won't do any good, but it won't do > > > > any harm, either. > > > > > > > > > And I further want to add that I absolutely do NOT think any good > > > > > speaker will sound it's best with "ordinary OFC copper cables of > > > adequate > > > > > gauge", as Ron would have you believe. > > > > > > > > Well, this is a horse of a different color, because > > > > different cables can have different electrical > > > > characteristics. > > > > > > > > If you believe in Physics (as opposed to magic), then any > > > > two speaker cables that have identical electrical > > > > characteristics (for speaker cables, there are only > > > > three such characteristics) will sound absolutely > > > > identical (with the same speaker/amp combination, of > > > > course). > > > > > > > > Ideally, values of all these characteristics should be > > > > zero. It is the going wisdom, though, that when they > > > > are low enough (say, less than 1/100 of the speaker's), > > > > their effect is negligible enough to be inaudible. Quite > > > > a few documented listening tests have proved this to be > > > > correct. I know of *no* test that proved the reverse. > > > > > > > > However, who is to say what someone else can hear? The > > > > question facing the reader then, is, can he (or she) > > > > hear that difference? More to the point, even assuming he > > > > has the proverbial 6 million dollar ears (does anyone?) > > > > can he hear it in *his* listening room, with *his* > > > > speakers? The speakers and room effects *far* outweigh > > > > (by *many* orders of magnitude) the effects of speaker > > > > cables. > > > > > > > > I humbly submit to the original poster that with your > > > > NHTs and unless you have an acoustically treated > > > > listening room, there is no way on earth you will > > > > hear the difference between regular OFC cables > > > > (provided they meet the condition stated above) and > > > > a $3000 monster of a cable. I am not so sure the same > > > > is true for owners of top of the line Dunlavy or B&W > > > > (or even Wilson) speakers that have an acoustically > > > > treated hall, though it could be true even for them. > > > > > > > > Again, since you asked, I must assume you do not know > > > > and are hanging between two opposing answers. I would > > > > highly recommend that you obtain your esoteric cable > > > > and a length of *correct gauge* OFC cable where both > > > > can be returned, then run an extended and *careful* > > > > listening test (if at all possible, blind. Sighted > > > > tests provide notoriously incorrect results -- almost > > > > always favouring the more expensive component). > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/28/01 1:50:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > bk11 at thuntek.net > > > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > << The NHT's are not set up for active biamping, just for biwiring > or > > > > > passive > > > > > > biamping. There are very few stock, commercially available > speakers > > > are > > > > > set > > > > > > up for active biamping, which requires either an external, > detachable > > > > > > passive crossover unit, as with the Apogee Divas, or some method > of > > > > > > bypassing the internal crossovers. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! In your expert opinion, would I be better served in > terms > > > of > > > > > > sound quality by passive bi-amping these speakers with two smaller > > > power > > > > > > amps, or by single-amping them with a larger, higher current one? > For > > > > > > obvious reasons, this is kind of difficult to A/B test in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > I investigated passive/active biamping and biwiring on the net, > and > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > a number of informative, well-written articles on the subject. > Seems > > > like > > > > > > there are as many opinions out there as there are methods. One > expert > > > was > > > > > > fairly dubious of passive biamping, and considered it not worth > the > > > extra > > > > > > costs in cables and additional amplification. What do you all > think? > > > > > Would > > > > > > I simply be better off single-amping them with a higher power, > higher > > > > > current > > > > > > power amp? > > > > > > > > > > > > I welcome anybody's informed opinion and thanks to all in advance > for > > > your > > > > > > help-- > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 16:42:53 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:42:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3BB72F6D.D27E12A1@concentric.net> > Either someone's been reading my mail or this is > synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed > on my virtual doormat today ....! > > Gra' This is why True Believers oppose A-B-X listening tests. When faced with such results, these are their usual responses: 1. The listening panel had tin ears. 2. The test system was cheapo trash (or poorly setup, or defective, or made by Bose). 3. The test methodology was not scientifically acceptable. 4. A-B-X test results are not representative of The True Listening Experience. Thanks for posting. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 17:47:17 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:47:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring In-Reply-To: <3BB72D4B.D80B49B8@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001301c149c7$2eeba800$cca5193e@a4s1s2> -- Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an amplifier > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything close to > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. And Ron replied .... "True. Which is why I suggested that we ignore current capability for this discussion. In any reasonably good amp, the difference is small, amounting at most to 5% or so. " ETC ETC ETC. I think it's fantastic that we should have two such heavy-weights debating these kinds of issues but I wish I understood just 5% of what you were talking about! I'm gonna have to go back to school ..... A Dunce. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 29 18:13:40 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:13:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> <3BB72F6D.D27E12A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002b01c14901$b48207a0$1c289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, At first I thought it's oughta be difficult hearing those +/- 0.5db FR differences. Interestingly, per abx result, people (at least 5 of em) can clearly hear 0.3db level mismatch. Thus, if we take it backwards ... and if the player measured more than 0.5db differences ... shouldn't those people be able to hear the differences ? Just in case anybody misses these abx results: http://www.oakland.edu/~djcarlst/abx_data.htm. I always wonder how they ever manage to validate revox A77 vs Nak 700 test :-\ Finally I wish there's an abx test result of sacd vs cd player to imply above 20k hearing / 'feeling'. Ah well, imho this test is best to shake off real snake ones, but on tiny real differences ... I wonder what your reaction would be if you see "similar" result between beloved CR7 and CR2 - level matched to 0.6V :-) Or, God forbid, if somebody does abx test of P-8L with that crystal head on my 482 ! I'm sure distortion etc doesn't spring out on 'normal' abx listening test, but it's still there somewhere ... This listening treshold business is really messy. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi > > > Either someone's been reading my mail or this is > > synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed > > on my virtual doormat today ....! > > > > Gra' > > This is why True Believers oppose A-B-X listening > tests. When faced with such results, these are their > usual responses: > > 1. The listening panel had tin ears. > > 2. The test system was cheapo trash (or poorly > setup, or defective, or made by Bose). > > 3. The test methodology was not scientifically > acceptable. > > 4. A-B-X test results are not representative of The > True Listening Experience. > > Thanks for posting. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Sep 29 18:29:56 2001 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:29:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] floating biwiring References: <001301c149c7$2eeba800$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003201c14903$fa1208e0$1c289bca@smarzuki> Graham, LOL ! You're not alone - I can feel the pain ... anyway this is a great place and sure beats regular school, nowhere else we can see such friendly argument. Can't really imagine what those SMWTMS buddies discuss ... everybody has the same 'mission'. oops sorry if any fellow nakkers happen to be in that group. Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] floating biwiring > > > -- > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Ron, > > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an amplifier > > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything close to > > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. > > And Ron replied .... > > "True. Which is why I suggested that we ignore current > capability for this discussion. In any reasonably good > amp, the difference is small, amounting at most to 5% > or so. " ETC ETC ETC. > > I think it's fantastic that we should have two such heavy-weights debating > these kinds of issues but I wish I understood just 5% of what you were > talking about! I'm gonna have to go back to school ..... > > A Dunce. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Sep 30 18:34:48 2001 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:34:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00dd01c149cd$d5a70260$30031fac@brianm> Thanks Graham, I will keep eyes open for those magazines, though I suspect the chances of finding them locally will be slim, I have been to their Web pages. I have subscribed to S-phile years ago and most recently I had a subscription to TAS, it just ran out. As to your A-B tests e-mail, so do you subscribe to the "Consumer Reports theory", that all CD players sound the same, you are just buying features? Brian Miller Michigan John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Naktalk at Naks. Com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 4:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Either someone's been reading my mail or this is synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed on my virtual doormat today ....! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Audio Revelation [mailto:Jay at AudioRevelation.com] Sent: 30 September 2001 06:32 To: Graham Nelson Subject: Great Adventures in Hi Fi Dear Audiophile, I took my $250, 6 year old Yamaha CD player to Stereo Design, San Diego, yesterday with an audiophile pal, Jan. I arranged with Art, who's hearing is most esteemed - trained when he worked at Conrad Johnson - and the only person, in my experience, who had actually been able to really hear a difference when blindly AB comparing CD players (2 Krells $4,500 & $7,500), to demo the Yamaha, blind, against his best sounding CD player. He choose a single play Wadia deck for the test, priced at $8,000, feeding a Mark Levinson preamp driving 2 big Krells biamped into 3.6 Magnapans (which sounded damn nice). We did the blind AB testing using 2 pairs of identical CD's. This was done over the course of more than an hour of intensive listening. At first, Art thought the Wadia sounded a touch brighter (Jan disagreed), but no differences in any other area were noted. When we adjusted the volume of one deck a bit, that difference went away. Jan thought the Yamaha had slightly better resolution. The Yamaha has a stock power cord and was set up using Innersound's $49 interconnect (Vampire Wire components). Understandably, it took Art awhile for the reality to settle in. I told him I could have used virtually ANY CD/DVD player to get the same results, but that the Yamaha was preferable as it has a built in volume control, which facilitates equalization of the volume between the decks. We then tested cables in a blind AB test. No difference between magnet wire at 3 cents a foot & $1.00 RCS's, $49 Innnersound interconnects, and the Silversmith Audio interconnects at $1500 or so. Shocked that all 3 cables sounded the same, Art swore we'd hear a difference between the Transparent Audio - which "are very soft sounding and rolled off" - and the Silversmiths - "which tend to be bright". On CD 1, a bright one, we all thought we could hear a tiny bit of this, but on the next CD, a Diana Krall, no one could tell any difference in any aspect of the sound. So much for those sacred audiophile cows and all the great reviewers out there. P. S. I've been doing this BLIND AB testing with many different CD & DVD players, cables and power cords over the last 5 months with at least a dozen people, with other dealership friends, including comparisons with a $10,000 CEC/Audio Logic TUBE digital front end, (not to mention my own $20,000 system) with the same results -all these things sound identical or almost identical. Of course no one wants to believe any of the above, just like a true believer refuses to give up his beliefs in the face of contrary proof - especially when all the other followers believe the same thing. I write this to you so you can think about putting your money where it really matters and stop supporting the (I believe) non-sense that permeates the industry. Jay Kaufman Audio Revelation jay at audiorevelation.com 760.944.0444 Audio Revelation is a specialty audio dealer and factory rep. for the universally acclaimed Innersound line of electrostatic speakers, amps and preamps. Innersound has established itself as a high-value, high-performance line for the discerning listener garnering over a dozen glowing reviews from major audio publications. Based in San Diego, I would welcome the opportunity to earn your business with no-nonsense, experienced advice drawn from over 20 years in high-end audio. In addition to Innersound, I can help you with a wide range of products at very reasonable prices to suit your personal needs. Please call for more information or to arrange a demonstration and visit www.innersound.net. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Sep 30 18:58:02 2001 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:58:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cable War In-Reply-To: <200109301652.SAA31330@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but does one see a difference on an osciloscope when visualising some wave forms before and after they went through a cable . Imho, if there IS a difference between an ordinary cable and a super-cable, I think it should show up on the oscilloscope somehow . Correct me if I'm wrong . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 30 19:29:38 2001 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:29:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> <3BB72F6D.D27E12A1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3BB75682.4C3AFEFF@earthlink.net> I'll take #4. = ) Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > > > Either someone's been reading my mail or this is > > synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed > > on my virtual doormat today ....! > > > > Gra' > > This is why True Believers oppose A-B-X listening > tests. When faced with such results, these are their > usual responses: > > 1. The listening panel had tin ears. > > 2. The test system was cheapo trash (or poorly > setup, or defective, or made by Bose). > > 3. The test methodology was not scientifically > acceptable. > > 4. A-B-X test results are not representative of The > True Listening Experience. > > Thanks for posting. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 19:46:33 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:46:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi References: <000101c1498b$479df2e0$cca5193e@a4s1s2> <3BB72F6D.D27E12A1@concentric.net> <002b01c14901$b48207a0$1c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3BB75A79.FEFF29BC@concentric.net> Salim, This is not very surprising. It is generally accepted that human ears perceive 1 db differences between two tones and down to 0.5 db differences in direct A-B tests. It is also generally recognized that differences down to 0.1 db can be perceived -- not necessarily as level differences, but as quality differences (our brain equates 'louder' with 'clearer'). For this reason, A-B listening tests are only considered scientifically valid when levels are matched to within 0.1 db (obviously, with the aid of a sensitive sound level meter). -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > At first I thought it's oughta be difficult hearing those +/- 0.5db FR > differences. Interestingly, per abx result, people (at least 5 of em) can > clearly hear 0.3db level mismatch. Thus, if we take it backwards ... and if > the player measured more than 0.5db differences ... shouldn't those people > be able to hear the differences ? > > Just in case anybody misses these abx results: > http://www.oakland.edu/~djcarlst/abx_data.htm. I always wonder how they > ever manage to validate revox A77 vs Nak 700 test :-\ Finally I wish > there's an abx test result of sacd vs cd player to imply above 20k hearing / > 'feeling'. > > Ah well, imho this test is best to shake off real snake ones, but on tiny > real differences ... I wonder what your reaction would be if you see > "similar" result between beloved CR7 and CR2 - level matched to 0.6V :-) > Or, God forbid, if somebody does abx test of P-8L with that crystal head on > my 482 ! I'm sure distortion etc doesn't spring out on 'normal' abx > listening test, but it's still there somewhere ... This listening treshold > business is really messy. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: Great Adventures in Hi Fi > > > > > > Either someone's been reading my mail or this is > > > synchronicity! Guys - take a look at what landed > > > on my virtual doormat today ....! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > This is why True Believers oppose A-B-X listening > > tests. When faced with such results, these are their > > usual responses: > > > > 1. The listening panel had tin ears. > > > > 2. The test system was cheapo trash (or poorly > > setup, or defective, or made by Bose). > > > > 3. The test methodology was not scientifically > > acceptable. > > > > 4. A-B-X test results are not representative of The > > True Listening Experience. > > > > Thanks for posting. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Sep 30 20:06:54 2001 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:06:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable War References: Message-ID: <3BB75F3E.8189AEC3@concentric.net> POLLET Eddy wrote: > > Hi all, > > Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but does one see a difference on an osciloscope > when visualising some wave forms before and after they went through a cable > . Imho, if there IS a difference between an ordinary cable and a > super-cable, I think it should show up on the oscilloscope somehow . Correct > me if I'm wrong . > > Eddy IMO, you are right that there must be some physical difference between two audio signals if they are to be perceived by our ears as different sounds. That said -- I never thought to use a 'scope to investigate cable effects. It would be like using a voltmeter to prove that 2+2=4... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Sep 30 21:23:15 2001 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:23:15 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Cable War References: <3BB75F3E.8189AEC3@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I think that voltmeter will be not enough... Maybe several meters, and one of the most important - spectrum analiser not only for AF. And measuring signal should be not simply sine wave but something realy complex, not even pink noise! Maybe some music as well. And we should remeber that input and output devices far not an ideal on all means. So such a test will be not a simply task any way. Misha PS: In some enviroments and conditions 2+2 will not be always 4 ;-) >That said -- I never thought to use a 'scope to >investigate cable effects. It would be like using >a voltmeter to prove that 2+2=4... > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 22:06:30 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:06:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? References: <20010930.001104.-304047.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to it. I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? > My favorite has to be Shakti stones. I don't think anything can top > those. > > A close second is high end interconnect cables in general. Don't people > realize that most EVERY interconnect company out there buys $2 worth of > cable, $8 worth of connectors, then charges an assinine price for the end > result? > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:44:47 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > writes: > How about listing and commenting on your "favourite" hi fi mythology or > snake oil? > > F'example, any comments on ... > > > - Densen DeMagic CD "...All electronic parts ... contain a small > amount of magnets. Due to DC leakage from all electronic equipment these > magnets will gradually be orientated in one direction.... (this ) > ...lowers the quality of the reproduced sound. DeMagic sends a series of > algorithm signals through your system which relocates the magnets and > thereby breaks the magnetic field and its negative effects on sound..." > > - the Cardias Frequency Sweep record that, amongst many things, is > supposed to ".... ultrasonically clean the cartridge stylus and degauss > the entire system..." > > - The green pen .... > > - The Shun Moon Kable Tree ... "...place any AC cable, cord, speaker > cable or interconnect in the slot....Put the small wooden bar across the > top of the conductor then listen to the improvement to your sound..." A > steal at only �194.95 each?!! > > - Esoteric mains cables chords > > - Anti static mats for CDs > > - RF stoppers (those little clamps that go around the cable, which > Audioquest sell from an amazing �42.50 for a set of 8 - I'm sure > RadioShack sell 'em for much less.) (Someone gave me some - > personally, I don't think they do anything!) > > Does anyone out there have any of these products? They ARE snake oil, > aren't they? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 22:12:58 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:12:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ... on to PA7II References: <003201c145e3$e387b8e0$3a289bca@smarzuki> <038f01c146b3$d3e56100$493442cf@sank1> <001601c14684$25a0b100$22289bca@smarzuki> <04ab01c1477c$3c3c8300$493442cf@sank1> <002801c148d8$c12a5f80$dc289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <087b01c149ec$4d240400$493442cf@sank1> The Nak amps use readily available parts throughout, with the exception of that beautiful, potted torroidal transformer. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ... on to PA7II > > Thanks Stephen, I've looked at the PA7 today ... awesome moster ! However, > I can 'feel' that the amp has been repaired before, one good hint would be > that missing bottom screw. =) > > My question is, does PA7II use 'exotic' or difficult-to-find parts - i.e. > something like ZXL's ABLE chip perhaps ? Or does it use more generic kind > of parts all around ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slipping reel clutch ... on to PA7II > > > > PA-7II is a steal at $500 & they are pretty darn bulletproof reliable. > > Original retail, if memory serves, was somewhere around $1800. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Sep 30 22:18:25 2001 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 14:18:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. References: <20010930.004933.-304047.4.josephj69@juno.com> <3BB71D3A.B1A53AC3@concentric.net> Message-ID: <088d01c149ed$0fef43a0$493442cf@sank1> Hey Ron, Finally I agree with you! Bryston build quality is quite excellent. I also agree with Jim that they often sound "dry", but they can be superb combined witht the right other components. I am not overly fond nor impressed with Parasound amps, though. Regard it as moderately improved "average" ss stuff. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] bi-amping, etc. > > Not to belittle Parasound, but Bryston build quality > is sheer beauty. Even if it doesn't directly affect > sound quality (it does indirectly affect reliability), > it is valued by many for it's own sake. Bryston's 20 > year warranty is nothing to sneeze at, either. > > Unfortunately, Bryston's prices abundantly (maybe, > disproportionately) reflect this. If it only weren't > for this irritating factor and my slim budget... > > -- Ron > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > Bryston far more expensive than the Parasound? > > > > I thought Parasound made damn good products. Am I wrong here? > > > > Why pay more for the Bryston? > > > > - Joe > > > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:35:36 EDT ChefBum at aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 09/29/2001 5:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << Ron, > > > Have you never looked on a scope at the clipping voltage of an > > > amplifier > > > loaded vs unloaded? I have yet to see an amp that has anything > > > close to > > > identical loaded/unloaded clip points. > > > But, that is beside the point, because any amp that would get > > > anywhere near > > > clipping is not an adequate amp for the speaker or the listener's > > > *pain > > > threshold*. > > > The BIG point is that a power amp's IM distortion is HUGELY a > > > factor of > > > power supply modulation. So, an amp that is loaded on only upper > > > or lower > > > range, will have enormously less IM distortion than if it was > > > loaded full > > > range. > > > And I am not about to get into another cable argument with you. >> > > > > > > The point is: you guys are great! May sound strange, but I respect > > > *both* of > > > your expert opinions. How can I not end up with great sound?!?!?? > > > > > > > > > I have decided to go with single-amping with a higher quality amp. > > > I can > > > (and probably will) initially go with a Parasound HCA-1500A stereo > > > power amp > > > with 205wpc @8ohms, 315 at 4 ohms. I can get one for not much over > > > five bones. > > > I think that will do the trick until I can honestly evaluate its' > > > merits/demerits. I am also considering a Bryston 4B-ST, which, > > > while much > > > more expensive, is a consesus high-quality two-channel amp... > > > > > > I am somewhat limited by space in my current home. But I know that > > > with your > > > help, I will get the best sound quality possible given my setup. > > > Thanks > > > again! > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ---------========= > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 30 23:54:40 2001 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:54:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about a bit of fun? In-Reply-To: <086501c149eb$662c3540$493442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c149fa$815b9900$dd5d87d9@a4s1s2> Stephen said: "Here is a great argument FOR high grade interconnects: Amplifier: Spectral DMA-200 Client: Blind. I mean actually blind. Client was not quite happy with his amp, as he said it took an hour or so for the "bass balance to be right" & he thought it could be better in general. I said, "Let me go do one little thing to it". I came back to his house the next day with the amp. Connected it, turned it on, right away played a CD of the client's. Client says within a minute, "Holy shit!", then describes how the bass problem is cured, plus how the soundstage had opened up like he had never heard before. He asked me what I had done to it. I had replaced 4 inches of interconnect cable on each channel. The cable between the input jack board & the amp boards. The original was some very respectable looking twisted pair shielded cable. I had replaced it with the silver-clad, high purity copper, shielded LAT IC-200 interconnect. 4 inches per channel. Exactly the same results I had achieved a week or two earlier on a friend's Spectral DMA-90 with about 8 inches of wire per channel." Whilst I am sure there will be the snake oil salesmen selling ordinary bits of cable for mega bucks, I am equally sure that some interconnects do offer different sonic - and audible - differences. Indeed, some please my ear better than others. Sure, I accept that listening tests that are not blind can induce a listener to hear what is not there. However, I am sure we have all experienced at some point dissatisfaction with a piece of kit or the sound that one gets from a it after months of listening only to change something quite small - like a cable - and then found that what was previously unpleasant has become delightful. Equally, the reverse may be true! We change something and, after prolonged listening, we know the sound does not satisfy us as it once did. For example, listening to my Sony tuner using RadioShack patch chords (the black ones with gold plated plugs) was pleasant enough but, after a year or so listening with them, I found it lacked .... something! It was as if there was a thin veil laid over the speakers. I swapped the cable for DNM Reson and listened .... Over the next few days, radio became a pleasure because the veil was gone. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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